[NU Sports] Must-read

Thu Mar 15 14:43:06 CDT 2012

This is also mostly old news.

Amaker did get his hand slapped by the AD four years ago and told that the expectation was that Amaker and his staff would conduct themselves in a manner "above reproach".

Since that time, the only sorts of issues that he has encountered are these anonymous snipes from other coaches.  They are not saying that Amaker is recruiting and Harvard is accepting kids the violate the league rule.  They are complaining that Harvard previously had a higher minimum than the Ivy league, but now will admit kids that simply meet the standards of the league.

The bottom line for me is whether Amaker's kids will graduate at the 100% rate of previous teams.

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-13/ncaa-tournament-graduation-rate-little-changed-with-harvard-duke-at-100-?category=%2Fnews%2Fmostread

So let's move onto discussion.

IMHO this whole discussion at Harvard or Duke or NU for that matter is a red herring.  The kids that are accepted at those schools for whatever reason are smart, well prepared, get a lot of support, and graduate.

The REAL issue is that there is a 28% difference between white (88%) and African American graduation rates (60%) at NCAA sanctioned schools, and the graduation rate for African American male students who aren't athletes is 22% lower than that.

This isn't an indictment of universities or athletics in particular, but rather a question of how we as a diverse society can expect to prosper when we are failing to prepare our minority kids for the most reliable path to a good job - a college degree.

Jeff

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Speaking of Amaker:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/harvard-crimson-return-to-ncaa-tournament-under-tommy-amaker-but-academic-questions-remain-031412

"The definition of Harvard is its pristine academic reputation. But since
Amaker's hiring, that standard has a different meaning for its men's
basketball team."

Discuss.

Jonathan

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On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:58 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> Winter did say he had never seen a transcript like Mike Campbell's when he
> saw his straight A high school record from Knox,Ill
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:38:00
> To: 'Eric C West'<e-west at northwestern.edu>; 'Northwestern Wildcats'<
> nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> That's fine, but the story does point out that the admissions guys DID NOT
> make a call on
> the two transcripts, the interviewers did, essentially telling Amaker that
> those two would
> not, in their opinion, get into NU.
>
> I do remember Tex Winter in 1973 or 74 getting commits from a bunch of top
> Chicago
> roundballers, only to get just a couple into school. It sorta adds fuel to
> the fire - the
> Winter story was in the Daily Northwestern if you want to dig thru the
> archives....
>
> rsl
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Eric C
> West
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:42 AM
> To: 'Northwestern Wildcats'
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> Yes, fake urban legends are often as hard to get rid of as kudzu,
> especially when lazy
> "reporters" need something to punch up their blog.
>
> Even though I know it will have the same effect as talking to a brick
> wall, I will yet
> again offer the following (completely verifiable) facts:
>
> 1. Only the Office of Admission makes admission decisions, including for
> athletes.
> 2. The Office of Admission doesn't even have contact with current coaches;
> they certainly
> wouldn't talk to prospective ones, nor would they serve on an "interview
> committee" for
> one.
> 3. No one in the Office of Admission would ever make a spot decision based
> on a
> non-applying student's "résumé," whatever that word is supposed to mean in
> this context.
> 4. They certainly wouldn't give such an admission decision to an outsider
> who wasn't even
> the student.
>
> I happen to know these things because I worked in the Office of
> Undergraduate Admission
> for four years, but they aren't exactly secrets. No doubt Amaker was a bit
> turned off that
> recruiting at NU was more difficult than at other places, but the story as
> told in the
> blog is simply 100% false. It's also quite insulting to Hurley and
> Laettner, implying that
> they are somehow world-class morons. (Speaking completely unofficially,
> and with no facts
> to back me up, your grades don't have to be all *that* great to be
> admitted as an athlete
> to NU.)
>
> Roy (and Aaron, and anyone else), it's your right to continue to be
> skeptical if you
> choose to, but why don't you apply the same skepticism to the story
> itself? Why not look
> for even a shred of tangible evidence regarding the origin of the story
> (which might
> exist), let alone evidence that it's true (which doesn't exist, because
> it's not true)?
>
> I can only guess at the answer: the story is fun to tell, and re-tell, and
> "report" on
> lazy newscasts, and maybe put on Wikipedia from time to time. Truth isn't
> always nearly so
> fun.
>
> That's my last word on this subject...at least for another twelve years.
>
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Roy S.
> Lamberton
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:52 AM
> To: 'Alan Abrahamson'; 'Northwestern Wildcats'
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> But there is that Amaker story again....
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any
> organizations of which I
> am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
> http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware
> American Legion
> Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University
> - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom,
> intelligence and
> energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =
>  =  =  =  =  =
> =  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me
> how to live,'
> We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Alan
> Abrahamson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:07 PM
> To: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2012/03/13/the-last-wallflower/
>
> But for nary a word on Kevin Coble, it pretty much sums up the
> Northwestern basketball
> experience.
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