[NU Sports] Bubble?

Mon Mar 12 09:20:32 CDT 2012

Jonathan's points support my contention (and others on our list) that we didn't deserve to get in.  Had we got in,it would have been for the wrong reasons.

 We beat the creampuffs pre conference(that is the portion of the schedule of our own making) and lost to all of the good teams(pre conference and conference) save 1. If I attached an blind name to a team with that record ,would any of you had voted for them ? 

Harry
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From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:07:27 
To: Beamsley, Jeff<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

Something that I think also helped rule out NU is that they had just 1 good
win (over MSU, a 1 seed, but still just 1).  Their record against RPI top
50 was 1-10, and against top 100 it was 5-13.  They had just 2 Ws over
tourney teams (MSU & Miss Valley St, who won their conference tourney & are
a 16 seed in a play-in game).

NU had a tough strength of schedule and a high RPI thanks to that but just
couldn't beat the good teams they played (and played just decent against
the other decent teams).  I believe the committee looks for teams that can
win tourney games, and NU showed that they just couldn't do that
(particularly away from home: those 2 Ws over tourney teams both came at
home).

In other worse, good wins are valued much more than lack of bad losses.
Maybe NU beat everyone that it definitely should have, but it only beat
tourney worthy teams once despite numerous chances (11, not counting Miss
Valley St).

Jonathan

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On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> Seems like the committee has to create a series of filters that allows
> them to get to 60 or so teams and then they argue about the rest.
>
> The pundits speculate every year on what those filters are going to be
> based on what past committees have used.
>
> The filters this year appeared to be 20+ wins and then the quality of
> those wins (versus the quality of losses).  WKU with 15 wins is the only
> sub-20 team in the field and they are there because they won their tourney.
>
> So even though NU had a high RPI, 18 wins wasn't enough to even be in the
> debate over who fills the last slots.
>
> It's certainly possible, based on the nature of next year's committee that
> they will focus on something else and an 18 win team with "good" losses
> will get in.
>
> Bottom line, at least for a team in the BT, get 20 wins including half
> your conference games.
>
> Jeff
>
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>
> The Washington coach was on the radio last night, and he didn't have any
> explanation of
> how they didn't get picked, but he wasn't calling for changes to the
> system either.
>
> Someone during the interview mentioned it was because of their
> pre-conference schedule and
> one loss to a top RPI team. I guess beating everyone in a down conference
> doesn't count
> any more.
>
> rsl
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> W. Brandt
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> You're right.  Colorado is in.  But my original question stands.
>
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>
> > Impossible. Cal did not win the Pac 12 tourney, colorado did
> >
> > Harry
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> >
> > How is it possible that Washington could win their conference regular
> > season
> > championship and NOT make the NCAA tournament?  How could the once
> vaunted
> > PAC-8/10/12/whatever only get one team (California) in the Dance, and
> > they're only in the First Four?
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