[NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going nowhere

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If duke can take kids that NU won't it will be awfully hard to recruit a name coach. Hard to see why a name coach would want that challenge particularly if it's not widely known that our standards are even tougher than our academic brethren.  

And if it is true, then I reiterate my recent posting arguing to  accept those prospects that the head coach wants and whom the admissions committee believes have good shot at graduating. 

A key point is that NU accepts special achievement kids (apart from athletics) with lower numbers than those without .  And athletic excellence surely seems to qualify as special

Harry
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Remember the story about Tommy Amaker's interview at NU.

His main concern was the recruiting policies in Evanston, and he took another gig, because
NU wouldn't have accepted a couple of kids who got into Duke.

Fitz (and Walker) talks about recruiting only about 25% of the available HS football
players due to grades, etc. I suspect that Carmodys recruiting universe is even smaller,
with more Div I school available to the top academic players.

Duke, Vandy, Rice, all come to mind immediately, with the Ivies closing in fast. They all
play in Div I, and many of the smaller Div I schools can compare with NU when it comes to
roundball.

In any case, Shurna has a shot at 2,000 points, and last year the Cats made it to the
quarter finals, right? Maybe the fourth time is the charm?

rsl 

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He would be a great choice if we were to make a change, but he could probably land a much
better gig, such as Illinois--although I have read Shaka Smart (Virginia Commonwealth) has
the inside track there.  
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,  gloomy and going nowhere

Living here in Indianapolis, we hear about it every time Brad Stevens' 
name comes up for some coaching search. Prevailing wisdom is that he really likes the deal
he has at Butler. Another couple of years playing in the CBI instead of the NCAA (or even
the NIT), and who knows. If he were to leave on his own, I think that NU could be the type
of program and challenge that he would take, but I don't think I see it happening.

-Michael

On 3/11/2012 10:04 PM, Louis Martinaitis wrote:
> What about that young coach at Butler?  We know he can win and seems like he would fit
our mold.  Might he like the challenge of the BIG?
>
> Louis Martinaitis
>
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Brad Wilson<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
>> If we fire Carmody we won't get anybody better. But it's clear he's probably not the
guy to end the streak either. I don't have an answer. I think hiring a high school coach
would be a disaster (Bob Wade/Maryland for an example). We could get some hotshot
Armani-suited oil-slick assistant from a power but he'd get quickly frustrated and flee at
the first open job. And getting a big-time established coach to come to NU is a fantasy.
>>
>> I do have one way to improve the hoops team almost immediately. I reject it and DO NOT
advocate it, but it would work: give the basketball team 5 exemptions from admission
standards. Not total exemptions but pretty wide ones. That would work, I guarantee it. I'd
be horrified, personally, bit it would work. I suspect this is how Georgetown stays
competitive with Louisville, Cincinnati, et al. Or how Harvard, dismal for a century,
suddenly improved, waddaya know, funny thing eh?
>>
>>
>> New facilities? Could help, but do we think NU is building a palace like OSU or
Michigan State or Wisconsin have? No. So we'll still be second-rate, just a nicer
second-rate. Will that make a difference in recruiting Mr. Hoops Stud? I doubt it.
>>
>> Dennis' point about rebounding and big men gets an amen from me -- it is no coincidence
Penn State's best hoops moments have come when they have had a dominating big man -- but
big men can prosper in the Princeton system, too. Just have to be the right kind of big
men. But does firing Carmody suddenly mean Mr. 7-0 Super Stud will flock to NU? I doubt
it.
>>
>> No answers here frankly. As opposed to many of you, I didn't see this team as an NCAA
tournament team and was skeptical all season long about it. Didn't I bet somebody a soda
NU wouldn't make it?  My default position on NU hoops is doom and gloom and I see little
reason to change that coming up.
>>
>> I believe the great moment -- the moment that could have been the breakthrough but then
was lost -- was when Coble quit. Coble, Shurna, etc. all together would have been an NCAA
tournament team without any doubt. But it's NU hoops -- so Cobl quits, Rex Walters
transfers., and the purple-clad faithful troop off endlessly into the darkness of dismal
oblivion.
>>
>> Anybody know a Gary Barnett, basketball version?
>>
>> Brad Wilson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. 
>> Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a 
>> profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we 
>> should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)
>>
>>
>> "But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's 
>> not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s 
>> marketing." -- Pierre Boulez
>>
>>
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