[NU Sports] Tough noogies

Wed Mar 7 12:12:48 CST 2012

I have to share a "tough noogies" anecdote.
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In my first year at Columbia Law School (Second Semester), we all had to take Criminal Law.? One day our Professor, Harold Edgar, asked a question socratically about why the defendant in a particular case we had read deserved the punishment he received.? One of my classmates in the fairly large lecture hall raised his hand and answered, "The 'Tough Noogies' Theory of?Justice."?? The class howled, as did the Professor.
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Interestingly enough, that student, Sheldon Finkelstein, who became somewhat of a minor legend in our class for his answer, became a local prosecutor (in his home state of New Jersey) after receiving his law degree, like Yours Truly (I was an Assistant DA in Brooklyn.).
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Paul Levinson

-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>; hakirsch <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tough noogies

Interesting article, but ultimately frustrating. 

The reporter quoted Delany twice in the article saying that the results 
of allowing 6-6 teams to participate in the post season were "not all 
positive", but never listed what Delany thought the negatives were.   

That only leaves us to speculate on what the negatives are. 

The only significant one that comes to mind is that schools lose money. 
NU certainly travels well, but you can appreciate that other BT schools 
used to participating in January bowls may not travel well to a lesser 
bowl because the team had a down year.  Changing the rule would 
certainly spare a team the "embarrassment" of participating in a less 
prestigious bowl, but then even under the current system, they could 
always simply decline the invitation. 

It is also possible that he is concerned that ad revenue may be getting 
diluted and fewer bowl games would result in a higher net gain to the 
BT, but I don't have access to any of those numbers to know for sure. 

Delany may just be thinking ahead to some sort of playoff system and 
would prefer to have fewer bowl games cluttering the landscape. 

Otherwise, I'm with Fritz.  Any bowl game is good for the program.  Let 
'em play. 

Jeff 

-----Original Message----- 
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges 
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:57 AM 
To: hakirsch at aol.com 
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tough noogies 

Here's a longer article with some quotes from officials around the 
country 
on possibly (re-)instating the "winning record" requirement for bowl 
games: 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/17622358/if-bowl-eligibil 
ity-jumps-to-seven-wins-which-bowls-get-86ed/rss 

Note that until 2006 (when the schedule usually consisted of 11 games), 
a 
winning record (then 6-5) was required, and wins over I-AA teams only 
counted in one of every four seasons (starting in 2006, you could count 
one 
per year). 

Much like the 9 game Big Ten slate (scheduled to begin later this 
decade) I 
agree that upping the bowl requirement to 7-5 will be a good thing for 
the 
game as a whole but likely bad for Northwestern, specifically.  But, I 
would still support it (along with the "Plus One"/4 team playoff, which 
I've supported for some time) as I think those in combination would 
greatly 
increase the value of the CFB postseason. 

Jonathan 

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On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:50 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote: 

> I'm afraid your proposal doesn't work if we have 35 bowl games. (It 
> theoratically could mathematically, but unlikely). There just wouldn't 
be 
> enough eligible teams under most scenarios. 
> 
>  Too many bowl games is clearly the real culprit.  And there is no 
bowl 
> czar to limit them So long as someone figures they can make money from 
> one,they will keep the current ones and possibly look for more.  The 
SI 
> article on bowl games (vs a playoff ) says it all. The bowl heads get 
paid 
> very well, get to play golf while schoomzing, and garner prestige in 
the 
> local community.  (Anybody interested in starting one with me ?!) 
> 
> Harry 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Jim Bendat <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> 
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com 
> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:13:06 
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
> Reply-To: Jim Bendat <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> 
> Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies 
> 
> Fitz used that phrase in the context of the suggestion (not that I've 
> heard there's been one) that a 5-win team be given a waiver to be in a 
bowl 
> game. The real question that has affected NU in the past has been 
getting 
> to a bowl game with six wins. Fitz seemed to be in favor of that; he 
> pointed out that we had an entertaining game this past season with two 
6-6 
> teams. 
> 
> Personally, as much as I want NU to be in a bowl game every year, I 
think 
> that .500 teams going to bowl games is a joke. Everyone knows there 
are way 
> too many bowl games. I think the proposal that a team must win at 
least 7 
> games to go bowling is a good thing. 
> 
> Jim B. 
> 
> 
> ________________________________ 
> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> 
> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:39 AM 
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz 
Video 
> 
> Nice article, but the Fitz video was even better.  It's been a long 
time 
> since I've heard the phrase "tough noogies". 
> 
> Jeff 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] 
On 
> Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:43 AM 
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
> Subject: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video 
> 
> 
> 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northweste 
rn-big-ten-tournam 
> 
ent--20120307,0,3582221.story<http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/colle 
ge/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-big-ten-tournam%0Aent--20120307,0,35822 
21.story> 
> 
> In the final analysis, it will be Cobb and Hearn that push the Cats 
over 
> the top in the BT 
> Tourney and beyond. (IMHO) 
> 
> rsl 
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