From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Mar  1 09:31:38 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 10:31:38 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Chicago's Big 10 Team must be Working
Message-ID: <002c01ccf7c0$65b2cd20$31186760$@com>

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-illinois-white-sox-join-for-crosspromoti
onal-relationship-20120229,0,2753820.story

The Ill-noise attempt to recrack the windy city. They are going to tie in with the south
side clubs?

Now, how do we get NU games back on WGN so everyone in the country can hear them?

rsl


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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  1 09:40:28 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 07:40:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Chicago's Big 10 Team must be Working
In-Reply-To: <002c01ccf7c0$65b2cd20$31186760$@com>
References: <002c01ccf7c0$65b2cd20$31186760$@com>
Message-ID: <1330616428.35489.YahooMailNeo@web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

> Now, how do we get NU games back on WGN so everyone in the country can hear?

> them?
> 


They are on WGN except when bumped by something else.

Tom



From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Mar  1 14:42:56 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 14:42:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Husker women punishing NU at B1G tourney
Message-ID: <20120301204256.4F1216554E@romaine.tssi.com>

Stung by the Cats a few games back, the Huskers are getting their revenge in the B1G tourney,
currently leading 71-42.
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar  1 16:07:15 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 17:07:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Tribune Video of Fitz Giving Tour of His Office
Message-ID: <8CEC60ECB60FCDB-2448-1ADAF@webmail-d101.sysops.aol.com>


To brighten the gloom after last night, take a look at a proud Fitz showing off his office and memorabilia, as posted in today's Trib online:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery/68495824/Sports/Cats-lair-NU-s-Fitz-gives-office-tour

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Mar  1 18:37:55 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:37:55 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tribune Video of Fitz Giving Tour of His Office
In-Reply-To: <8CEC60ECB60FCDB-2448-1ADAF@webmail-d101.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEC60ECB60FCDB-2448-1ADAF@webmail-d101.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <009b01ccf80c$b61de410$2259ac30$@com>

Neat office, not as big as some other head guys in the Big 10, but the right stuff is on
the walls.

rsl

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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
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To: nwu-sports at tssi.com; ssacks71 at optonline.net
Subject: [NU Sports] Tribune Video of Fitz Giving Tour of His Office


To brighten the gloom after last night, take a look at a proud Fitz showing off his office
and memorabilia, as posted in today's Trib online:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery/68495824/Sports/Cats-lair-NU-s-Fitz-gives-offic
e-tour
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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar  1 20:28:09 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 02:28:09 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Tribune Video of Fitz Giving Tour of His Office
In-Reply-To: <009b01ccf80c$b61de410$2259ac30$@com>
References: <8CEC60ECB60FCDB-2448-1ADAF@webmail-d101.sysops.aol.com>
 <009b01ccf80c$b61de410$2259ac30$@com>
Message-ID: <1970851325-1330655295-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1381470633-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Fitz truly has the right stuff in all respects.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:37:55 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>; <ssacks71 at optonline.net>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Tribune Video of Fitz Giving Tour of His Office

Neat office, not as big as some other head guys in the Big 10, but the right stuff is on
the walls.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 5:07 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com; ssacks71 at optonline.net
Subject: [NU Sports] Tribune Video of Fitz Giving Tour of His Office


To brighten the gloom after last night, take a look at a proud Fitz showing off his office
and memorabilia, as posted in today's Trib online:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery/68495824/Sports/Cats-lair-NU-s-Fitz-gives-offic
e-tour
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Mar  1 20:53:10 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 21:53:10 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tribune Video of Fitz Giving Tour of His Office
In-Reply-To: <1970851325-1330655295-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1381470633-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <8CEC60ECB60FCDB-2448-1ADAF@webmail-d101.sysops.aol.com>
 <009b01ccf80c$b61de410$2259ac30$@com>
 <1970851325-1330655295-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1381470633-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <00e901ccf81f$9d36a320$d7a3e960$@com>

And did you notice that he did NOT have his Hall of Fame stuff on display?

It was all NU - right down to the first game at Dyche.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:28 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports at tssi.com; ssacks71 at optonline.net
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tribune Video of Fitz Giving Tour of His Office

Fitz truly has the right stuff in all respects.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 19:37:55
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>; <ssacks71 at optonline.net>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Tribune Video of Fitz Giving Tour of His Office

Neat office, not as big as some other head guys in the Big 10, but the right stuff is on
the walls.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any organizations of which I
am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion
Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and
energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 5:07 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com; ssacks71 at optonline.net
Subject: [NU Sports] Tribune Video of Fitz Giving Tour of His Office


To brighten the gloom after last night, take a look at a proud Fitz showing off his office
and memorabilia, as posted in today's Trib online:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/videogallery/68495824/Sports/Cats-lair-NU-s-Fitz-gives-offic
e-tour
_______________________________________________
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From bondscoop at gmail.com  Fri Mar  2 11:26:07 2012
From: bondscoop at gmail.com (Michael Jackson)
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 11:26:07 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] If you haven't had enough
Message-ID: <015501ccf899$8dc95b10$a95c1130$@gmail.com>

Teddy Greenstein lists the worst home losses all time for the BB Cats.  Read
them and weep.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0302-nu-basketball--2012
0302,0,337952.story  


From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Mar  3 13:31:40 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 19:31:40 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Hawkeyes
Message-ID: <494648979-1330803103-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2124926426-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Anybody as tense as I feel? And now they are showing Matt Gaetans on Senior Day.  Ugh!  This is going to be a real uphill battle.

I'm not sure I can take more disappointment or heartache.  Just hope we don't come out cold, as has often been our story on the road.  

Paul Levinson
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  3 13:51:47 2012
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:51:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Hawkeyes
Message-ID: <1330804307.99907.YahooMailMobile@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Cold as ice.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Mar  3 13:59:23 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 14:59:23 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 10 minutes in
Message-ID: <003901ccf978$21ed66e0$65c834a0$@com>

And the Cats can't buy a bunny...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  3 14:29:15 2012
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Art Miller)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 14:29:15 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] 10 minutes in
In-Reply-To: <003901ccf978$21ed66e0$65c834a0$@com>
References: <003901ccf978$21ed66e0$65c834a0$@com>
Message-ID: <A993E873-4590-42F3-BC51-897C9E83C9CE@gmail.com>

But the next ten were a lot better, no? 




On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:59 PM, "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> And the Cats can't buy a bunny...
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League 
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Mar  3 14:27:35 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 15:27:35 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Well-rested Shurna for 2d half :)
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C0298E67@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Cats, with Shurna on bench after one trey and two fouls, display balance, tenacious defense and poise...

After getting down 15, NU rattled the home team and played very much as in the game at Evanston.  Beautiful to watch!  A 22-point turnaround on the road.

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Mar  3 15:44:01 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:44:01 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C0298E78@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

A glimpse at how Cobb can play when he's healthy and confident, as Crawford was today, too.  Balanced effort.  

Wow - offensive rebounds!  And what big FTs by Sobo.

And OH SO, SO FORTUNATE!  Gotta have healthy hearts to make it through these.  Hope's alive. :)

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Mar  3 15:46:22 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:46:22 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] WHEW
Message-ID: <003a01ccf987$13d1a7b0$3b74f710$@com>

Hoodathunkit - Shurna misses a bunch of FT's but the rest of the team makes up for it -
Drew, Sobo and Marco all perfect from the line!

And how about Drew & Hearn's rebounding.

So now it is Minny again.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Mar  3 15:49:23 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:49:23 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 10 minutes in
In-Reply-To: <A993E873-4590-42F3-BC51-897C9E83C9CE@gmail.com>
References: <003901ccf978$21ed66e0$65c834a0$@com>
 <A993E873-4590-42F3-BC51-897C9E83C9CE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004d01ccf987$7fdef0c0$7f9cd240$@com>

Yes, much...

Makes you wish Cobb had been healthy all year.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: Art Miller [mailto:artmiller1 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:29 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 10 minutes in

But the next ten were a lot better, no? 




On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:59 PM, "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> And the Cats can't buy a bunny...
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any 
> organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts 
> - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" 
> Delaware American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little 
> League  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern 
> University - Speech 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher 
> Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports) 
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, 
> intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. 
> Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = If we 
> become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,' We're 
> Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Mar  3 15:52:22 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:52:22 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
Message-ID: <324664229-1330811545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1064237789-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

For once fortune smiled on us at the end.  Better sometimes to be lucky...
------Original Message------
From: Willie Weinbaum
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
Sent: Mar 3, 2012 4:44 PM

A glimpse at how Cobb can play when he's healthy and confident, as Crawford was today, too.  Balanced effort.  

Wow - offensive rebounds!  And what big FTs by Sobo.

And OH SO, SO FORTUNATE!  Gotta have healthy hearts to make it through these.  Hope's alive. :)
_______________________________________________
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nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Mar  3 15:54:57 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 16:54:57 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Ain't the Beer Cold...
Message-ID: <004f01ccf988$46ba1350$d42e39f0$@com>

Sorry, that's an old Oriole line from when they were owned by the brewery guy...

But Sobo getting the ball at the end, then draining two FT's was great. And Marco's 2
almost immediately after just iced the game cold.

Sobo's floater under the basket that hit the rim didn't hurt either.

So we can proudly shout, "We're #7, We're #7"

Go Cats... need 3 more wins, right?

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
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===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  3 15:56:13 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:56:13 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
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I had 4 or 5 small heart attacks there. Yikes. Feels good though.

Tom
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-----Original Message-----
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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:52:22 
To: Willie Weinbaum<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.

For once fortune smiled on us at the end.  Better sometimes to be lucky...
------Original Message------
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To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
Sent: Mar 3, 2012 4:44 PM

A glimpse at how Cobb can play when he's healthy and confident, as Crawford was today, too.  Balanced effort.  

Wow - offensive rebounds!  And what big FTs by Sobo.

And OH SO, SO FORTUNATE!  Gotta have healthy hearts to make it through these.  Hope's alive. :)
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Mar  3 16:01:12 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 17:01:12 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
In-Reply-To: <324664229-1330811545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1064237789-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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Carmody just said on WGN postgame that before the game, on way over from hotel, Curletti banged his head on a low elevator overhang and it was thought he might not even play.  

Lucky all the way through...from Curletti being available, to Iowa's first-half missed FTs @ home to the Sobolewski rebound of the shot off the bottom the rim. 

Cats earned this and had good luck.  They battled back from a bad start and have now swept the Iowa Hawkeyes and Penn State Nittany Lions this year, with two ridiculously tense road wins.

On to the tourney, I mean the Big Ten tourney.   :)

Two more wins are probably what will be needed for the first-ever NCAA bid.  Will NOT be easy.   Minnesota and Michigan up next.  Cats showed this year that they can play with both of those teams.   


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.

For once fortune smiled on us at the end.  Better sometimes to be lucky...
------Original Message------
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To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
Sent: Mar 3, 2012 4:44 PM

A glimpse at how Cobb can play when he's healthy and confident, as Crawford was today, too.  Balanced effort.

Wow - offensive rebounds!  And what big FTs by Sobo.

And OH SO, SO FORTUNATE!  Gotta have healthy hearts to make it through these.  Hope's alive. :) _______________________________________________
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Mar  3 16:05:44 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:05:44 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
In-Reply-To: <1413361889-1330811774-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1237691998-@b2.c4.bise6.blackberry>
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As I said to Willie and Roy offline, Wildcat Nation almost had a collective coronary.  But now we can hopefully keep the momentum, beat the Gophers, and then work on our cardio fitness--By DANCIN'!!!  As an old Mets fan, permit me to quote one of my favorite athletes of all time, Frank ("Tug") McGraw, "YOU GOTTA BELIEVE!!!!"

Go 'Cats!  All the way to a bracket.

Paul
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-----Original Message-----
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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:56:13 
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: tkmaycock at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.

I had 4 or 5 small heart attacks there. Yikes. Feels good though.

Tom
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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:52:22 
To: Willie Weinbaum<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.

For once fortune smiled on us at the end.  Better sometimes to be lucky...
------Original Message------
From: Willie Weinbaum
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
Sent: Mar 3, 2012 4:44 PM

A glimpse at how Cobb can play when he's healthy and confident, as Crawford was today, too.  Balanced effort.  

Wow - offensive rebounds!  And what big FTs by Sobo.

And OH SO, SO FORTUNATE!  Gotta have healthy hearts to make it through these.  Hope's alive. :)
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Mar  3 16:21:07 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 17:21:07 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
In-Reply-To: <977817929-1330812363-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-426043700-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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I believe (again). 

Look forward to an extended post season. 

Jeff

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On Mar 3, 2012, at 5:06 PM, "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> As I said to Willie and Roy offline, Wildcat Nation almost had a collective coronary.  But now we can hopefully keep the momentum, beat the Gophers, and then work on our cardio fitness--By DANCIN'!!!  As an old Mets fan, permit me to quote one of my favorite athletes of all time, Frank ("Tug") McGraw, "YOU GOTTA BELIEVE!!!!"
> 
> Go 'Cats!  All the way to a bracket.
> 
> Paul
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tom Maycock" <tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:56:13 
> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: tkmaycock at yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
> 
> I had 4 or 5 small heart attacks there. Yikes. Feels good though.
> 
> Tom
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: neonrye at aol.com
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 21:52:22 
> To: Willie Weinbaum<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
> 
> For once fortune smiled on us at the end.  Better sometimes to be lucky...
> ------Original Message------
> From: Willie Weinbaum
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
> Subject: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
> Sent: Mar 3, 2012 4:44 PM
> 
> A glimpse at how Cobb can play when he's healthy and confident, as Crawford was today, too.  Balanced effort.  
> 
> Wow - offensive rebounds!  And what big FTs by Sobo.
> 
> And OH SO, SO FORTUNATE!  Gotta have healthy hearts to make it through these.  Hope's alive. :)
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Mar  3 16:49:38 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 22:49:38 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C0613F0D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <324664229-1330811545-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1064237789-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
 <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C0613F0D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <1847092604-1330814981-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-823664749-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Willie, 

I think we have realistic shot to get in with win over Gophers, but two W's would certainly be a lot safer.  It will depend on what happens at other tournaments.  We need "chalk" to win -- I.e., upsets are bad for NU, as tourney champs would get the auto invites and regular season champs would eat up the at-large slots.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 17:01:12 
To: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.

Carmody just said on WGN postgame that before the game, on way over from hotel, Curletti banged his head on a low elevator overhang and it was thought he might not even play.  

Lucky all the way through...from Curletti being available, to Iowa's first-half missed FTs @ home to the Sobolewski rebound of the shot off the bottom the rim. 

Cats earned this and had good luck.  They battled back from a bad start and have now swept the Iowa Hawkeyes and Penn State Nittany Lions this year, with two ridiculously tense road wins.

On to the tourney, I mean the Big Ten tourney.   :)

Two more wins are probably what will be needed for the first-ever NCAA bid.  Will NOT be easy.   Minnesota and Michigan up next.  Cats showed this year that they can play with both of those teams.   


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 4:52 PM
To: Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.

For once fortune smiled on us at the end.  Better sometimes to be lucky...
------Original Message------
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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] Big win for now and future.
Sent: Mar 3, 2012 4:44 PM

A glimpse at how Cobb can play when he's healthy and confident, as Crawford was today, too.  Balanced effort.

Wow - offensive rebounds!  And what big FTs by Sobo.

And OH SO, SO FORTUNATE!  Gotta have healthy hearts to make it through these.  Hope's alive. :) _______________________________________________
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Mar  4 06:32:56 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 07:32:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
Message-ID: <006e01ccfa02$ee2f0800$ca8d1800$@com>

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0304-northwestern-spring-foot--2012030
4,0,7499752.story

can the season be far away?

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Mar  4 07:56:34 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 08:56:34 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum/Mets pitcher Jay Hook
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C0298E9C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/the_rumble_FwEijl9GtjTvEwCmXo1HYO?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=More%20Sports

1st pitch by 1st Amazin? winner 

There will be two important first pitches Tuesday when the Mets play host to the Cardinals at Digital Domain Park in Port St. Lucie. Johan Santana will take the mound for the first time this spring, but preceding that return, Jay Hook will throw the ceremonial first pitch to his 1962 teammate, Al Jackson. Hook won the first game in Mets history, a 9-1 victory over the Pirates 50 years ago on April 23. He threw a five-hitter and struck out two that day. 

?It?s an honor I?m very proud of, to have the first win in Mets history,? said Hook, now 75. ?We lost our first nine games that year, and at times, I didn?t think we?d win any.? 

That first season Hook went 8-19, and Jackson finished 8-20. 

?I never was embarrassed about my record,? said Jackson, 76. ?We didn?t win many games that year, but I thought our pitchers did the best we could. If Casey thought I was horrible he would have taken me out of the rotation.?

From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Mar  4 10:22:19 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 11:22:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum/Mets pitcher Jay Hook
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C0298E9C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <54F8260703914CC39F3E908A2A040722@dennismachine>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 8:56 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum/Mets pitcher Jay Hook


> http://m.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/the_rumble_FwEijl9GtjTvEwCmXo1HYO?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=More%20Sports
> 
> 1st pitch by 1st Amazin? winner 
> 
> There will be two important first pitches Tuesday when the Mets play host to the Cardinals at Digital Domain Park in Port St. Lucie. Johan Santana will take the mound for the first time this spring, but preceding that return, Jay Hook will throw the ceremonial first pitch to his 1962 teammate, Al Jackson. Hook won the first game in Mets history, a 9-1 victory over the Pirates 50 years ago on April 23. He threw a five-hitter and struck out two that day. 
> 
> ?It?s an honor I?m very proud of, to have the first win in Mets history,? said Hook, now 75. ?We lost our first nine games that year, and at times, I didn?t think we?d win any.? 
> 
> That first season Hook went 8-19, and Jackson finished 8-20. 
> 
> ?I never was embarrassed about my record,? said Jackson, 76. ?We didn?t win many games that year, but I thought our pitchers did the best we could. If Casey thought I was horrible he would have taken me out of the rotation.?

To that I can only say, GO PHILLIES GO!

From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Mar  4 11:50:16 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 12:50:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NY TIMES Blurb
Message-ID: <8CEC846642D6F11-B68-210E4@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>


>From Today's NY Times Sports Section (p. 4), NU wass one of "Day's Story Lines" at top of "College Basketball" page (I tried unsuccessfully to find online.):

"NORTHWESTERN (18-12, 8-10 Big Ten), the only major conference team that has never appeared in the N.C.A.A. tournament, kept alive its hopes for an invitation with a 70-66 victory at Iowa."

Go U NU!

Paul Levinson

P.S.:  By the way, does a Michigan State win at home today over the Buckeyes help our RPI--i.e., should we root for Sparty over the Bucks (which I would do normally)?

From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Mar  4 11:51:42 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 12:51:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
In-Reply-To: <006e01ccfa02$ee2f0800$ca8d1800$@com>
References: <006e01ccfa02$ee2f0800$ca8d1800$@com>
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Did anybody (like Yours Truly) try to figure out how in the world Teddy Greenstein covered Spring Practice--and the hoops game at Iowa?  Did he use a "stringer", fly in a private plane, or perhaps is he Superman?:-)



-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: 'Northwestern Wildcats' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:34 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0304-northwestern-spring-foot--2012030
,0,7499752.story
can the season be far away?
rsl
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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hose of any organizations of which I am a member.
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oy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
omputer Applications & Support Associates
oach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
irector Media Relations - Little League 
 Senior League Softball World Series
TR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
orthwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
hi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
ublisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
here is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
ove of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
annot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
f we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
ell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========


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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Mar  4 13:26:25 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:26:25 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
References: <006e01ccfa02$ee2f0800$ca8d1800$@com>
 <8CEC84697ECCB1C-B68-210F6@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <92A890C1D82E44FBA652F87B873C1118@dennismachine>

Speaking of Superman, who among us of sufficient years on planet Earth 
didn't run around in our long underwear with a pair of undershorts on top 
and a towel safety-pinned around our necks while we ran around making 
whooshing noises as we pretended to fly.  Waxing nostalgic, I recently 
rented some of the DVDs from the first year (1951 perhaps?).  In one, Jimmy 
Olsen is visiting his aunt on a secluded island off New England when in 
finally dawns on him that isn't really his aunt (DUH!) and that she is the 
head of a gang up to no good.  He finds a pay phone - this on a island c. 
1950 - and calls Clark at the Daily Planet to express his concern.  Clark 
hangs up, rushes into a room that no one ever uses, rips off the hat he 
wasn't wearing in the previous scene, and flies out the window, once more 
unseen by a city of millions.  Landing on the island a moment later, he 
quickly changes back into Clark Kent and finds Jimmy, who asks excitedly, 
"Golly, Mr. Kent, how did you get here so fast?"  Clark stammers, "Uh . . . 
I caught an early flight."

Yep, we believed anything in those days.



From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Mar  4 15:32:28 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 16:32:28 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
In-Reply-To: <8CEC84697ECCB1C-B68-210F6@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>
References: <006e01ccfa02$ee2f0800$ca8d1800$@com>
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An amazing performance since the spring practice ran until noon, and the game started at
2:35PM.

 

Of course he could have gathered his quotes from Fitz earlier in the week, or used Skip
M's services..

 

Makes you wonder.

 

rsl

 

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If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 

tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"

                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"

===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

 

 

From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 12:52 PM
To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story

 

Did anybody (like Yours Truly) try to figure out how in the world Teddy Greenstein covered
Spring Practice--and the hoops game at Iowa?  Did he use a "stringer", fly in a private
plane, or perhaps is he Superman?:-)



-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: 'Northwestern Wildcats' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:34 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0304-northwestern-spring-foot--2012030
4,0,7499752.story
 
can the season be far away?
 
rsl
 
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  Senior League Softball World Series
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cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Sun Mar  4 15:33:57 2012
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 16:33:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
Message-ID: <2559.bd147fc.3c8539c5@aol.com>

He normally changed in a telephone booth. For you younger members on the  
list , a telephone booth is a free standing structure housing a telephone  
and constructed of glass and.........oh never mind.
Don Williams, C55
 
 
In a message dated 3/4/2012 1:25:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
tbng at comcast.net writes:

Clark  
hangs up, rushes into a room that no one ever uses, rips off the hat he  
wasn't wearing in the previous scene, and flies out the window, once more  
unseen by a city of millions.  

From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Mar  4 15:41:10 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:41:10 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NY TIMES Blurb
In-Reply-To: <8CEC846642D6F11-B68-210E4@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20120304214111.018A76558C@romaine.tssi.com>

> >From Today's NY Times Sports Section (p. 4), NU wass one of "Day's Story Lines" at top of "College Basketball" page (I tried unsuccessfully to find online.):
> 
> "NORTHWESTERN (18-12, 8-10 Big Ten), the only major conference team that has never appeared in the N.C.A.A. tournament, kept alive its hopes for an invitation with a 70-66 victory at Iowa."

Nebraska, Northwestern and South Florida are the only major conference teams that have 
never won an NCAA tournament game.  It would be nice to get off that list, too.

Nebraska isn't likely to get a chance to do so this year, I assume USF will probably
make the Big Dance, they're currently 19-12 overall, 12-6 (tied for 4th) 
in the Big East.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Mar  4 16:03:16 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 17:03:16 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Rittenberg on Ill-Noise trying to become Chicago's Team
Message-ID: <000401ccfa52$9b54a5e0$d1fdf1a0$@com>

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/5530/illinois-trying-to-increase-chicag
o-presence

I guess the Ill-whine-I don't like "Chicago's Big 10 Team."

Too Bad. Chi is still the Evil Empire's big city....

rsl

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--------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  4 17:52:00 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 15:52:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] new email address and new book
Message-ID: <1330905120.53311.YahooMailNeo@web160502.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

As someone famous once said --?Dear Wildcat Faithful:
?
Because my previous email address only went to my home, I often received messages after a signficant period of time had passed after a big game or issue. So, I've changed my account to my email address that goes directly to my cell phone.
?
And I guess that also makes this a good time to mention that the new edition of my book of vignettes about presidential inauguration history has recently been published. It's called Democracy's Big Day: The Inauguration of Our President 1789-2013, and it's available via Amazon and B&N in hardcover, paperback and e-book for Kindles and Nooks. It has updates, new stories and close to twice as many pictures as the last one four years ago.?The book is designed to make history fun, and it's for middle school age and up.?Hope you all will consider checking it out and spreading the word. Thanks!
?
Book's website is www.inaugurationbook.com?and occasional tweets will be @inaugurationUSA
?
Go Cats!
Jim B.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Mar  4 19:37:48 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:37:48 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
In-Reply-To: <8CEC84697ECCB1C-B68-210F6@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>
References: <006e01ccfa02$ee2f0800$ca8d1800$@com>
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After careful re-reading of the stories I think Teddy went to the Spring Practice in
Evanston, then settled in to the couch to watch NU vs Ioway on the Telly.

 

He had WGN's broadcast on also, since his quotes came from, and were attributed to, the
WGN postgame show.

 

Used to do that myself much of the time, I think I used to actually transcribe the post
game comments for Scout.

 

rsl

 

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Director Media Relations - Little League 

  Senior League Softball World Series

CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)

Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968

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=================================================

There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 

love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 

cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
<http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Dwight_D._Eisenhower/> 

=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =

If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 

tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"

                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"

===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

 

 

From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 12:52 PM
To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story

 

Did anybody (like Yours Truly) try to figure out how in the world Teddy Greenstein covered
Spring Practice--and the hoops game at Iowa?  Did he use a "stringer", fly in a private
plane, or perhaps is he Superman?:-)



-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: 'Northwestern Wildcats' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:34 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0304-northwestern-spring-foot--2012030
4,0,7499752.story
 
can the season be far away?
 
rsl
 
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--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Mar  4 19:42:30 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:42:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
In-Reply-To: <2559.bd147fc.3c8539c5@aol.com>
References: <2559.bd147fc.3c8539c5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <006b01ccfa71$3c41b790$b4c526b0$@com>

There is a web comic called "Atomic Laundromat" about a guy who runs a dry cleaning
service for super heroes.

 

Anyway, his father, some kind of super guy, was recently convicted in the strip of
indecent exposure for changing into his super hero costume on the street and his costume
did not require underwear. 

 

During the trial, the assistant DA, who was an Alligator, did all kinds of goofy stuff,
but the Dad was still convicted because he kept referring to "his package" during
testimony. Not the best defense.

 

Very funny month of funnies, the guy that draws the strip has an interesting sense of
humor.

 

Back to sleep

 

rsl

 

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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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--------------------- Also ----------------------

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Director Media Relations - Little League 

  Senior League Softball World Series

CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)

Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968

Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)

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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 

cannot cure -  <http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Dwight_D._Eisenhower/> Dwight D.
Eisenhower

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If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 

tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"

                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"

===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

 

 

From: AJWDBW at aol.com [mailto:AJWDBW at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 4:34 PM
To: tbng at comcast.net; rstetson at capps-assoc.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com; neonrye at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story

 

He normally changed in a telephone booth. For you younger members on the list , a
telephone booth is a free standing structure housing a telephone and constructed of glass
and.........oh never mind.

Don Williams, C55

 

In a message dated 3/4/2012 1:25:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, tbng at comcast.net writes:

Clark 
hangs up, rushes into a room that no one ever uses, rips off the hat he 
wasn't wearing in the previous scene, and flies out the window, once more 
unseen by a city of millions.  


From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Mar  4 20:52:51 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:52:51 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
References: <2559.bd147fc.3c8539c5@aol.com>
 <006b01ccfa71$3c41b790$b4c526b0$@com>
Message-ID: <66D1DF4290E842149FB2EF7C20AEDA4D@dennismachine>

I recall Bill Cosby's great routine about the cop catching Superman changing in a phone booth.

Cop:  "Hey, Buddy!  What are you doing in there?"

Supe: "I'm changing my clothes, officer."

Cop: "You can't change clothes in a phone booth."

Supe: "But officer, I'm Superman."

Cop: "Sure you are, and I'm the Queen of Sheba."

Supe: "Don't you see this red "S" on my chest?"

Cop:  You're going to have a red "S" and a black eye if you don't get out of that phone booth."
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Roy S. Lamberton 
  To: AJWDBW at aol.com ; tbng at comcast.net ; nwu-sports at tssi.com ; neonrye at aol.com 
  Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 8:42 PM
  Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story


  There is a web comic called "Atomic Laundromat" about a guy who runs a dry cleaning service for super heroes.

   

  Anyway, his father, some kind of super guy, was recently convicted in the strip of indecent exposure for changing into his super hero costume on the street and his costume did not require underwear. 

   

  During the trial, the assistant DA, who was an Alligator, did all kinds of goofy stuff, but the Dad was still convicted because he kept referring to "his package" during testimony. Not the best defense.

   

  Very funny month of funnies, the guy that draws the strip has an interesting sense of humor.

   

  Back to sleep

   

  rsl

   

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  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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  Director Media Relations - Little League 

    Senior League Softball World Series

  CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)

  Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

  Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968

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  =================================================

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  love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 

  cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower

  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =

  If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 

  tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"

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  ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

   

   

  From: AJWDBW at aol.com [mailto:AJWDBW at aol.com] 
  Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 4:34 PM
  To: tbng at comcast.net; rstetson at capps-assoc.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com; neonrye at aol.com
  Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story

   

  He normally changed in a telephone booth. For you younger members on the list , a telephone booth is a free standing structure housing a telephone and constructed of glass and.........oh never mind.

  Don Williams, C55

   

  In a message dated 3/4/2012 1:25:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, tbng at comcast.net writes:

    Clark 
    hangs up, rushes into a room that no one ever uses, rips off the hat he 
    wasn't wearing in the previous scene, and flies out the window, once more 
    unseen by a city of millions.  

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Mar  4 21:04:52 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 22:04:52 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
In-Reply-To: <66D1DF4290E842149FB2EF7C20AEDA4D@dennismachine>
References: <2559.bd147fc.3c8539c5@aol.com>
 <006b01ccfa71$3c41b790$b4c526b0$@com>
 <66D1DF4290E842149FB2EF7C20AEDA4D@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <BE2EA82B-FDF1-455E-AAF5-605A27FBA48E@covisint.com>

Larry Niven wrote a wonderful short story called Man of Steel Woman of Cotton that is a must read for any Superman fan. 

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 4, 2012, at 9:45 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

> I recall Bill Cosby's great routine about the cop catching Superman changing in a phone booth.
> 
> Cop:  "Hey, Buddy!  What are you doing in there?"
> 
> Supe: "I'm changing my clothes, officer."
> 
> Cop: "You can't change clothes in a phone booth."
> 
> Supe: "But officer, I'm Superman."
> 
> Cop: "Sure you are, and I'm the Queen of Sheba."
> 
> Supe: "Don't you see this red "S" on my chest?"
> 
> Cop:  You're going to have a red "S" and a black eye if you don't get out of that phone booth."
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Roy S. Lamberton 
>  To: AJWDBW at aol.com ; tbng at comcast.net ; nwu-sports at tssi.com ; neonrye at aol.com 
>  Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 8:42 PM
>  Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
> 
> 
>  There is a web comic called "Atomic Laundromat" about a guy who runs a dry cleaning service for super heroes.
> 
> 
> 
>  Anyway, his father, some kind of super guy, was recently convicted in the strip of indecent exposure for changing into his super hero costume on the street and his costume did not require underwear. 
> 
> 
> 
>  During the trial, the assistant DA, who was an Alligator, did all kinds of goofy stuff, but the Dad was still convicted because he kept referring to "his package" during testimony. Not the best defense.
> 
> 
> 
>  Very funny month of funnies, the guy that draws the strip has an interesting sense of humor.
> 
> 
> 
>  Back to sleep
> 
> 
> 
>  rsl
> 
> 
> 
>  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
>  Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> 
>  those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> 
>  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
>  Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> 
>  Computer Applications & Support Associates
> 
>  Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> 
>  --------------------- Also ----------------------
> 
>  "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> 
>  Director Media Relations - Little League 
> 
>    Senior League Softball World Series
> 
>  CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> 
>  Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
> 
>  Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> 
>  Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> 
>  =================================================
> 
>  There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
> 
>  love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
> 
>  cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> 
>  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> 
>  If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
> 
>  tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
> 
>                     -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> 
>  ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: AJWDBW at aol.com [mailto:AJWDBW at aol.com] 
>  Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 4:34 PM
>  To: tbng at comcast.net; rstetson at capps-assoc.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com; neonrye at aol.com
>  Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
> 
> 
> 
>  He normally changed in a telephone booth. For you younger members on the list , a telephone booth is a free standing structure housing a telephone and constructed of glass and.........oh never mind.
> 
>  Don Williams, C55
> 
> 
> 
>  In a message dated 3/4/2012 1:25:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, tbng at comcast.net writes:
> 
>    Clark 
>    hangs up, rushes into a room that no one ever uses, rips off the hat he 
>    wasn't wearing in the previous scene, and flies out the window, once more 
>    unseen by a city of millions.  
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From johnl at mac.com  Sun Mar  4 23:18:49 2012
From: johnl at mac.com (Labbe John)
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 23:18:49 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
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I notice that in the Tribune (and I think other papers), if the reporter is on location, the article will indicate the location at the beginning of the article.  Greenstein's article about the Iowa game didn't have such an indication, so he wasn't on location.  Other articles in today's Tribune sports section have such indications, such as the articles about the Bulls that indicate "Philadelphia" at the beginning or articles about Cubs spring training, that indicate "Mesa, Ariz." at the beginning.

As Roy noted, all of Greenstein's quotes could have come from the radio or TV.

Compare the following two articles, for example:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0305-bulls-sixers-chicago--20120305,0,7742113.story

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0304-northwestern-iowa-basketball--20120304,0,6015355.story




On Mar 4, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Roy S. Lamberton wrote:

> After careful re-reading of the stories I think Teddy went to the Spring Practice in
> Evanston, then settled in to the couch to watch NU vs Ioway on the Telly.
> 
> 
> 
> He had WGN's broadcast on also, since his quotes came from, and were attributed to, the
> WGN postgame show.
> 
> 
> 
> Used to do that myself much of the time, I think I used to actually transcribe the post
> game comments for Scout.
> 
> 
> 
> rsl
> 
> 
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> 
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> 
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> 
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> 
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> 
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> 
> Director Media Relations - Little League 
> 
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> 
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> 
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
> 
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> 
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> 
> =================================================
> 
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
> 
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
> 
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> <http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Dwight_D._Eisenhower/> 
> 
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> 
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
> 
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
> 
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> 
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 12:52 PM
> To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
> 
> 
> 
> Did anybody (like Yours Truly) try to figure out how in the world Teddy Greenstein covered
> Spring Practice--and the hoops game at Iowa?  Did he use a "stringer", fly in a private
> plane, or perhaps is he Superman?:-)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
> To: 'Northwestern Wildcats' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:34 am
> Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
> 
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0304-northwestern-spring-foot--2012030
> 4,0,7499752.story
> 
> can the season be far away?
> 
> rsl
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org <http://coachroy.org/> 
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League 
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Mar  5 07:37:09 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:37:09 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
In-Reply-To: <838B0AD3-7B35-4124-8EAF-04794D004741@mac.com>
References: <006e01ccfa02$ee2f0800$ca8d1800$@com>
 <8CEC84697ECCB1C-B68-210F6@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>
 <005401ccfa70$93dd3250$bb9796f0$@com>
 <838B0AD3-7B35-4124-8EAF-04794D004741@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000601ccfad5$116f0bd0$344d2370$@com>

Personally, there are times I prefer watching on TV over being there in person.

I would rather watch Football from the pressbox, the stands if absolutely necessary.
Football has been described as short periods of violence followed by committee meetings,
and while instant replay is good, most times you can get a better flavor of the game from
up top.

Basketball is something else. I prefer to watch from high up, so I can see all of the ball
movement, but then you miss a lot of the interplay on the court. TV shows that a lot, so
TV is really my preferred way to watch Roundball.

On Baseball and Softball - I'm spoiled since I tend to be either scoring or announcing (or
both) games so I like to be back behind the home plate with a computer on the desk.

Personal opinions, but there are a bunch of other reporters who like what I send out on
baseball and softball.

rsl 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: Labbe John [mailto:johnl at mac.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 12:19 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Cc: neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story

I notice that in the Tribune (and I think other papers), if the reporter is on location,
the article will indicate the location at the beginning of the article.  Greenstein's
article about the Iowa game didn't have such an indication, so he wasn't on location.
Other articles in today's Tribune sports section have such indications, such as the
articles about the Bulls that indicate "Philadelphia" at the beginning or articles about
Cubs spring training, that indicate "Mesa, Ariz." at the beginning.

As Roy noted, all of Greenstein's quotes could have come from the radio or TV.

Compare the following two articles, for example:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0305-bulls-sixers-chicago--20
120305,0,7742113.story

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0304-northwestern-iowa-basketball--201
20304,0,6015355.story




On Mar 4, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Roy S. Lamberton wrote:

> After careful re-reading of the stories I think Teddy went to the 
> Spring Practice in Evanston, then settled in to the couch to watch NU vs Ioway on the
Telly.
> 
> 
> 
> He had WGN's broadcast on also, since his quotes came from, and were 
> attributed to, the WGN postgame show.
> 
> 
> 
> Used to do that myself much of the time, I think I used to actually 
> transcribe the post game comments for Scout.
> 
> 
> 
> rsl
> 
> 
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> 
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> 
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> 
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> 
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> 
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> 
> Director Media Relations - Little League
> 
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> 
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> 
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> 
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> 
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> 
> =================================================
> 
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> 
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> 
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> <http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Dwight_D._Eisenhower/>
> 
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> 
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> 
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
> 
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> 
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 12:52 PM
> To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
> 
> 
> 
> Did anybody (like Yours Truly) try to figure out how in the world 
> Teddy Greenstein covered Spring Practice--and the hoops game at Iowa?  
> Did he use a "stringer", fly in a private plane, or perhaps is he 
> Superman?:-)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
> To: 'Northwestern Wildcats' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:34 am
> Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
> 
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0304-northwestern-
> spring-foot--2012030
> 4,0,7499752.story
> 
> can the season be far away?
> 
> rsl
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any 
> organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts 
> - http://coachroy.org <http://coachroy.org/>
> --------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" 
> Delaware American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little 
> League  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern 
> University - Speech 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher 
> Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports) 
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, 
> intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. 
> Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = If we 
> become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,' We're 
> Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From ersiii at aol.com  Mon Mar  5 09:43:15 2012
From: ersiii at aol.com (Exequiel Sevilla)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 10:43:15 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
In-Reply-To: <000601ccfad5$116f0bd0$344d2370$@com>
References: <006e01ccfa02$ee2f0800$ca8d1800$@com>
 <8CEC84697ECCB1C-B68-210F6@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>
 <005401ccfa70$93dd3250$bb9796f0$@com>
 <838B0AD3-7B35-4124-8EAF-04794D004741@mac.com>
 <000601ccfad5$116f0bd0$344d2370$@com>
Message-ID: <CAKQUaG3XyGz1HT9sY9WttvLrtuRwrwnA7NkovGjbARPrpGvJ4w@mail.gmail.com>

"Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" is available to read at
http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html , among other places.  I've read
that Niven has no objection to this short being on the interwebs.

For the youngsters, a phone booth is similar to a TARDIS.  For the oldsters
- that flashy thing (the Neuralizer) must have worked on us well.

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  5 13:42:39 2012
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 11:42:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
In-Reply-To: <005401ccfa70$93dd3250$bb9796f0$@com>
References: <006e01ccfa02$ee2f0800$ca8d1800$@com>
 <8CEC84697ECCB1C-B68-210F6@webmail-m084.sysops.aol.com>
 <005401ccfa70$93dd3250$bb9796f0$@com>
Message-ID: <1330976559.72375.YahooMailNeo@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I noticed that Evan Watkins has moved to tight end. I'm not surprised. I hope that Trevor Semien and Zack Oliver are able to push Colter.
?
Go Cats!
Jim
?
?
 

________________________________
 From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story
  
After careful re-reading of the stories I think Teddy went to the Spring Practice in
Evanston, then settled in to the couch to watch NU vs Ioway on the Telly.



He had WGN's broadcast on also, since his quotes came from, and were attributed to, the
WGN postgame show.



Used to do that myself much of the time, I think I used to actually transcribe the post
game comments for Scout.



rsl



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not

those of any organizations of which I am a member.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.

Computer Applications & Support Associates

Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org

--------------------- Also ----------------------

"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball

Director Media Relations - Little League 

? Senior League Softball World Series

CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)

Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968

Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)

=================================================

There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 

love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 

cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
<http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Dwight_D._Eisenhower/> 

=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =

If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 

tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"

===========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========





From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 12:52 PM
To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story



Did anybody (like Yours Truly) try to figure out how in the world Teddy Greenstein covered
Spring Practice--and the hoops game at Iowa?? Did he use a "stringer", fly in a private
plane, or perhaps is he Superman?:-)



-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: 'Northwestern Wildcats' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 7:34 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Spring Practice! - First Trib Story

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0304-northwestern-spring-foot--2012030
4,0,7499752.story

can the season be far away?

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org <http://coachroy.org/> 
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
? Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========




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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Mar  5 16:18:54 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 17:18:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] VIDEO:  Big Ten Tournament Preview
Message-ID: <8CEC9351618111E-2394-23EF@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com>


Good video preview on CBSSports.com, with lots of talk about the 'Cats, saying that the nation is rooting for us:  http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/videos/_dpgl_jLaymi5wvWnkrQX_21o_kCruC9/big-ten-tournament-preview

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Mar  5 20:56:13 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:56:13 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] VIDEO:  Big Ten Tournament Preview
In-Reply-To: <8CEC9351618111E-2394-23EF@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEC9351618111E-2394-23EF@webmail-m172.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <006401ccfb44$b22ec820$168c5860$@com>

Losing to Minny will stop all the "good feelings" in their tracks.

Beating Michigan the next night (we do owe them) will pretty well fill out the resume

Let's Go Cats. 2 to go.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 5:19 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] VIDEO: Big Ten Tournament Preview


Good video preview on CBSSports.com, with lots of talk about the 'Cats, saying that the
nation is rooting for us:
http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/videos/_dpgl_jLaymi5wvWnkrQX_21o_kCruC9/big-ten
-tournament-preview
_______________________________________________
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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Mar  5 21:29:56 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:29:56 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] VIDEO:  Big Ten Tournament Preview
Message-ID: <389442572-1331004596-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-235338784-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Winning a deuce will be particularly difficult for NU for a reason that goes beyond our lack of success so far against Michigan.  Our pronounced lack of depth will be a big burden to overcome the second night--unless we somehow get a "laugher"win against Minny--an unlikely scenario--so our starters don't have to log heavy minutes. 
------Original Message------
From: Roy S. Lamberton
To: neonrye at aol.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] VIDEO:  Big Ten Tournament Preview
Sent: Mar 5, 2012 9:56 PM

Losing to Minny will stop all the "good feelings" in their tracks.

Beating Michigan the next night (we do owe them) will pretty well fill out the resume

Let's Go Cats. 2 to go.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 5:19 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] VIDEO: Big Ten Tournament Preview


Good video preview on CBSSports.com, with lots of talk about the 'Cats, saying that the
nation is rooting for us:
http://www.cbssports.com/video/player/play/videos/_dpgl_jLaymi5wvWnkrQX_21o_kCruC9/big-ten
-tournament-preview
_______________________________________________
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Mar  6 07:23:56 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 08:23:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna, Crawford, Sobo honored post season
Message-ID: <007b01ccfb9c$63337b50$299a71f0$@com>

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/big10/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/
B1GMBB12Awards.pdf



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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Mar  6 08:58:48 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 09:58:48 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna, Crawford, Sobo honored post season
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VERY classy quote from Shurna in Sun-Times piece and note that Shurna is Cats' first player to lead conference in scoring since 1951:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/11088247-419/northwesterns-john-shurna-accorded-all-big-ten-honors.html



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http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/big10/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2011-12/misc_non_event/
B1GMBB12Awards.pdf



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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Mar  6 13:36:24 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:36:24 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Jay Hook & NU hoops
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C1041844@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

NU alum Jay Hook was just on the Mets' spring training game telecast (against the Cardinals) after being honored pregame for having had the first win in Mets history, 50 years ago next month.

Announcer Kevin Burkart asked him a basketball question, about Hook having guarded Wilt Chamberlain.  Hook said it was Chamberlain's first game in college, Wilt was terrific and the Wildcats were losing late to Kansas and went into a box and one, pressing defense.  Hook was the "one" - - the guy who chased the ball.  He said, "They threw the ball to Chamberlain at midcourt and I went running at him, tried to jump to knock the ball out.  He didn't throw it, he didn't do anything.  He just raised his arm up and I hit him about at bicep level."

Hook added, "Talk about feeling ineffective, that was the epitome of it."

From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  6 13:48:40 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 11:48:40 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Jay Hook & NU hoops
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I've been watching basketball since 1956, and the only two players I've ever seen who totally dwarfed the opposition - in both height and ability - were Wilt and Kareem (Lew Alcindor) in his college days. 

Jim B. 



On Mar 6, 2012, at 11:36 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:

> NU alum Jay Hook was just on the Mets' spring training game telecast (against the Cardinals) after being honored pregame for having had the first win in Mets history, 50 years ago next month.
> 
> Announcer Kevin Burkart asked him a basketball question, about Hook having guarded Wilt Chamberlain.  Hook said it was Chamberlain's first game in college, Wilt was terrific and the Wildcats were losing late to Kansas and went into a box and one, pressing defense.  Hook was the "one" - - the guy who chased the ball.  He said, "They threw the ball to Chamberlain at midcourt and I went running at him, tried to jump to knock the ball out.  He didn't throw it, he didn't do anything.  He just raised his arm up and I hit him about at bicep level."
> 
> Hook added, "Talk about feeling ineffective, that was the epitome of it."
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Mar  6 14:29:56 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 15:29:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Jay Hook & NU hoops
In-Reply-To: <DA946AF5-9044-45E9-A11C-F694131F18E8@yahoo.com>
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>From what I've read, I think you could add George Mikan and maybe Pete
Maravich to that list of folks who dominated their eras of college ball.

On the pro side, you have to add Michael Jordon to those who transformed
the game during their era.  I remember watching him during his rookie
season.  Jerry Reinsdorf had just purchased the team.  They were coming
off one of the worst seasons in franchise history.  It was the end of
the Reggie Theus era.  They played in the Chicago Stadium, that old barn
on the west side.  You could walk up just about any night and get court
side seats.  ND's Orlando Woolridge, DePaul's Dave Corzine, and Quintin
Dailey were the supporting cast.  The Bulls wanted to acquire a center,
but lost out on getting Olajuwon and Sam Bowie, and couldn't make a deal
for Jack Sikma or Tree Rollins.  Instead they got this skinny kid from
NC with a questionable outside shot.  Then he started jumping out of the
building and everybody knew that the game would never be the same.

Jeff

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I've been watching basketball since 1956, and the only two players I've
ever seen who totally dwarfed the opposition - in both height and
ability - were Wilt and Kareem (Lew Alcindor) in his college days. 

Jim B. 



On Mar 6, 2012, at 11:36 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie"
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:

> NU alum Jay Hook was just on the Mets' spring training game telecast
(against the Cardinals) after being honored pregame for having had the
first win in Mets history, 50 years ago next month.
> 
> Announcer Kevin Burkart asked him a basketball question, about Hook
having guarded Wilt Chamberlain.  Hook said it was Chamberlain's first
game in college, Wilt was terrific and the Wildcats were losing late to
Kansas and went into a box and one, pressing defense.  Hook was the
"one" - - the guy who chased the ball.  He said, "They threw the ball to
Chamberlain at midcourt and I went running at him, tried to jump to
knock the ball out.  He didn't throw it, he didn't do anything.  He just
raised his arm up and I hit him about at bicep level."
> 
> Hook added, "Talk about feeling ineffective, that was the epitome of
it."
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Mar  6 14:44:21 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 20:44:21 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw:  Jay Hook & NU hoops
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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 19:59:54 
To: Willie Weinbaum<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jay Hook & NU hoops

Many rules were changed because of Wilt.  This Celtic fan hates to admit it but the 5 second rule requiring a team to do something with the ball was as a result of Wilt being able to hold the ball above his head and effectively put a freeze on for the remainder of the game (or half)if his team had the lead 

Of course his biggest rule impact was the widening the lane from a narrow "key"

Harry
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Subject: [NU Sports] Jay Hook & NU hoops

NU alum Jay Hook was just on the Mets' spring training game telecast (against the Cardinals) after being honored pregame for having had the first win in Mets history, 50 years ago next month.

Announcer Kevin Burkart asked him a basketball question, about Hook having guarded Wilt Chamberlain.  Hook said it was Chamberlain's first game in college, Wilt was terrific and the Wildcats were losing late to Kansas and went into a box and one, pressing defense.  Hook was the "one" - - the guy who chased the ball.  He said, "They threw the ball to Chamberlain at midcourt and I went running at him, tried to jump to knock the ball out.  He didn't throw it, he didn't do anything.  He just raised his arm up and I hit him about at bicep level."

Hook added, "Talk about feeling ineffective, that was the epitome of it."
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Mar  7 07:43:18 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:43:18 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video
Message-ID: <000301ccfc68$41f5ae00$c5e10a00$@com>

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-big-ten-tournam
ent--20120307,0,3582221.story

In the final analysis, it will be Cobb and Hearn that push the Cats over the top in the BT
Tourney and beyond. (IMHO)

rsl

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--------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Mar  7 09:39:00 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 10:39:00 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video
In-Reply-To: <000301ccfc68$41f5ae00$c5e10a00$@com>
References: <000301ccfc68$41f5ae00$c5e10a00$@com>
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Nice article, but the Fitz video was even better.  It's been a long time since I've heard the phrase "tough noogies".

Jeff

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Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:43 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-big-ten-tournam
ent--20120307,0,3582221.story

In the final analysis, it will be Cobb and Hearn that push the Cats over the top in the BT
Tourney and beyond. (IMHO)

rsl

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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Wed Mar  7 10:13:06 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (Jim Bendat)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:13:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC570952@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <000301ccfc68$41f5ae00$c5e10a00$@com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC570952@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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Fitz used that phrase in the context of the suggestion (not that I've heard there's been one) that a 5-win team be given a waiver to be in a bowl game. The real question that has affected NU in the past has been getting to a bowl game with six wins. Fitz seemed to be in favor of that; he pointed out that we had an entertaining game this past season with two 6-6 teams.
?
Personally, as much as I want NU to be in a bowl game every year, I think that .500 teams going to bowl games is a joke. Everyone?knows there are way too many bowl games. I think the proposal that a team must win at least 7 games to go bowling is a good thing.
?
Jim B.


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video

Nice article, but the Fitz video was even better.? It's been a long time since I've heard the phrase "tough noogies".

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:43 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-big-ten-tournam
ent--20120307,0,3582221.story

In the final analysis, it will be Cobb and Hearn that push the Cats over the top in the BT
Tourney and beyond. (IMHO)

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
? Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========




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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Mar  7 10:50:36 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 16:50:36 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
In-Reply-To: <1331136786.32163.YahooMailNeo@web160501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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I'm afraid your proposal doesn't work if we have 35 bowl games. (It theoratically could mathematically, but unlikely). There just wouldn't be enough eligible teams under most scenarios.

  Too many bowl games is clearly the real culprit.  And there is no bowl czar to limit them So long as someone figures they can make money from one,they will keep the current ones and possibly look for more.  The SI article on bowl games (vs a playoff ) says it all. The bowl heads get paid very well, get to play golf while schoomzing, and garner prestige in the local community.  (Anybody interested in starting one with me ?!) 

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
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To: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
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Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies

Fitz used that phrase in the context of the suggestion (not that I've heard there's been one) that a 5-win team be given a waiver to be in a bowl game. The real question that has affected NU in the past has been getting to a bowl game with six wins. Fitz seemed to be in favor of that; he pointed out that we had an entertaining game this past season with two 6-6 teams.
?
Personally, as much as I want NU to be in a bowl game every year, I think that .500 teams going to bowl games is a joke. Everyone?knows there are way too many bowl games. I think the proposal that a team must win at least 7 games to go bowling is a good thing.
?
Jim B.


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video

Nice article, but the Fitz video was even better.? It's been a long time since I've heard the phrase "tough noogies".

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:43 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-big-ten-tournam
ent--20120307,0,3582221.story

In the final analysis, it will be Cobb and Hearn that push the Cats over the top in the BT
Tourney and beyond. (IMHO)

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
? Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========




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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Mar  7 10:56:48 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:56:48 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
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Message-ID: <CAAxRJu6Je05p52Xc=dc-26W8epYNoyvHH=jB2L1jWW-nduUmxg@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a longer article with some quotes from officials around the country
on possibly (re-)instating the "winning record" requirement for bowl games:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/17622358/if-bowl-eligibility-jumps-to-seven-wins-which-bowls-get-86ed/rss

Note that until 2006 (when the schedule usually consisted of 11 games), a
winning record (then 6-5) was required, and wins over I-AA teams only
counted in one of every four seasons (starting in 2006, you could count one
per year).

Much like the 9 game Big Ten slate (scheduled to begin later this decade) I
agree that upping the bowl requirement to 7-5 will be a good thing for the
game as a whole but likely bad for Northwestern, specifically.  But, I
would still support it (along with the "Plus One"/4 team playoff, which
I've supported for some time) as I think those in combination would greatly
increase the value of the CFB postseason.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:50 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm afraid your proposal doesn't work if we have 35 bowl games. (It
> theoratically could mathematically, but unlikely). There just wouldn't be
> enough eligible teams under most scenarios.
>
>  Too many bowl games is clearly the real culprit.  And there is no bowl
> czar to limit them So long as someone figures they can make money from
> one,they will keep the current ones and possibly look for more.  The SI
> article on bowl games (vs a playoff ) says it all. The bowl heads get paid
> very well, get to play golf while schoomzing, and garner prestige in the
> local community.  (Anybody interested in starting one with me ?!)
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Bendat <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:13:06
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: Jim Bendat <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
>
> Fitz used that phrase in the context of the suggestion (not that I've
> heard there's been one) that a 5-win team be given a waiver to be in a bowl
> game. The real question that has affected NU in the past has been getting
> to a bowl game with six wins. Fitz seemed to be in favor of that; he
> pointed out that we had an entertaining game this past season with two 6-6
> teams.
>
> Personally, as much as I want NU to be in a bowl game every year, I think
> that .500 teams going to bowl games is a joke. Everyone knows there are way
> too many bowl games. I think the proposal that a team must win at least 7
> games to go bowling is a good thing.
>
> Jim B.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video
>
> Nice article, but the Fitz video was even better.  It's been a long time
> since I've heard the phrase "tough noogies".
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:43 AM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video
>
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-big-ten-tournam
> ent--20120307,0,3582221.story<http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-big-ten-tournam%0Aent--20120307,0,3582221.story>
>
> In the final analysis, it will be Cobb and Hearn that push the Cats over
> the top in the BT
> Tourney and beyond. (IMHO)
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>   Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Mar  7 11:16:03 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:16:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
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I can remember talking with Randy Walker after a couple of 6-6 seasons. I  
seem to remember that he was planning to take steps to improve on that  
because. 500 was not satisfactory. (I can probably find the exact quote  
somwhere in my archives)

I sense Fitz is of the same opinion for the future.

 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 7, 2012 16:56:48 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tough noogies

Here's a longer article with some quotes from officials around the country
on possibly (re-)instating the "winning record" requirement for bowl games:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/17622358/if-bowl-eligibility-j 
umps-to-seven-wins-which-bowls-get-86ed/rss

Note that until 2006 (when the schedule usually consisted of 11 games), a
winning record (then 6-5) was required, and wins over I-AA teams only
counted in one of every four seasons (starting in 2006, you could count one
per year).

Much like the 9 game Big Ten slate (scheduled to begin later this decade) I
agree that upping the bowl requirement to 7-5 will be a good thing for the
game as a whole but likely bad for Northwestern, specifically.  But, I
would still support it (along with the "Plus One"/4 team playoff, which
I've supported for some time) as I think those in combination would greatly
increase the value of the CFB postseason.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:50 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm afraid your proposal doesn't work if we have 35 bowl games. (It
> theoratically could mathematically, but unlikely). There just wouldn't be
> enough eligible teams under most scenarios.
>
>  Too many bowl games is clearly the real culprit.  And there is no bowl
> czar to limit them So long as someone figures they can make money from
> one,they will keep the current ones and possibly look for more.  The SI
> article on bowl games (vs a playoff ) says it all. The bowl heads get paid
> very well, get to play golf while schoomzing, and garner prestige in the
> local community.  (Anybody interested in starting one with me ?!)
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Bendat <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:13:06
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: Jim Bendat <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
>
> Fitz used that phrase in the context of the suggestion (not that I've
> heard there's been one) that a 5-win team be given a waiver to be in a  
bowl
> game. The real question that has affected NU in the past has been getting
> to a bowl game with six wins. Fitz seemed to be in favor of that; he
> pointed out that we had an entertaining game this past season with two 6-6
> teams.
>
> Personally, as much as I want NU to be in a bowl game every year, I think
> that .500 teams going to bowl games is a joke. Everyone knows there are  
way
> too many bowl games. I think the proposal that a team must win at least 7
> games to go bowling is a good thing.
>
> Jim B.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video
>
> Nice article, but the Fitz video was even better.  It's been a long time
> since I've heard the phrase "tough noogies".
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:43 AM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video
>
>
>  
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-bi 
g-ten-tournam
>  
ent--20120307,0,3582221.story<http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct 
-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-big-ten-tournam%0Aent--20120307,0,3582221.story>
>
> In the final analysis, it will be Cobb and Hearn that push the Cats over
> the top in the BT
> Tourney and beyond. (IMHO)
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>   Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Mar  7 11:27:10 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:27:10 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
In-Reply-To: <1331136786.32163.YahooMailNeo@web160501.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <000301ccfc68$41f5ae00$c5e10a00$@com>
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Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC57098C@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

"Everybody knows that there are way too many bowl games"

It's always dangerous to speak in absolutes. :)

The bowl games exist because they have sponsors, communities willing to support them, and enough teams with at least six wins willing to play in them.

Also, you can't just get a bunch of people together and start a bowl game.  The NCAA has to approve it.  They are also in effect guaranteeing that there are going to be enough teams to fill all of the slots.

I think what Fitz was referring to in his comment on 5 win teams getting waivers was how the NCAA would react if there weren't enough eligible teams to fill all of the slots.

Fitz's attitude, though, was that the bowling in general is a good thing for players, the program, and the fans.  So he supports the current system with its regular season 6 win requirement.  He felt that the NU-Texas Tech game was competitive and entertaining even though it was between two 6-6 teams.

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bendat
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:13 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies

Fitz used that phrase in the context of the suggestion (not that I've heard there's been one) that a 5-win team be given a waiver to be in a bowl game. The real question that has affected NU in the past has been getting to a bowl game with six wins. Fitz seemed to be in favor of that; he pointed out that we had an entertaining game this past season with two 6-6 teams.
?
Personally, as much as I want NU to be in a bowl game every year, I think that .500 teams going to bowl games is a joke. Everyone?knows there are way too many bowl games. I think the proposal that a team must win at least 7 games to go bowling is a good thing.
?
Jim B.


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video

Nice article, but the Fitz video was even better.? It's been a long time since I've heard the phrase "tough noogies".

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:43 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-big-ten-tournam
ent--20120307,0,3582221.story

In the final analysis, it will be Cobb and Hearn that push the Cats over the top in the BT
Tourney and beyond. (IMHO)

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
? Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========




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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Mar  7 11:51:01 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:51:01 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
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"He felt that the NU-Texas Tech* game was competitive and entertaining even
though it was between two 6-6 teams."

*The Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas in the 2011 season featured NU vs.
Texas A&M, who were both 6-6 in the regular season.  The TicketCity bowl in
the 2010 season had NU playing Texas Tech, both were 7-5 going into the
bowl game.  This doesn't really affect your argument, though, but thought I
should point it out.

Jonathan

--
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Contributor, HailToPurple
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Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> "Everybody knows that there are way too many bowl games"
>
> It's always dangerous to speak in absolutes. :)
>
> The bowl games exist because they have sponsors, communities willing to
> support them, and enough teams with at least six wins willing to play in
> them.
>
> Also, you can't just get a bunch of people together and start a bowl game.
>  The NCAA has to approve it.  They are also in effect guaranteeing that
> there are going to be enough teams to fill all of the slots.
>
> I think what Fitz was referring to in his comment on 5 win teams getting
> waivers was how the NCAA would react if there weren't enough eligible teams
> to fill all of the slots.
>
> Fitz's attitude, though, was that the bowling in general is a good thing
> for players, the program, and the fans.  So he supports the current system
> with its regular season 6 win requirement.  He felt that the NU-Texas Tech
> game was competitive and entertaining even though it was between two 6-6
> teams.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Bendat
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:13 AM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
>
> Fitz used that phrase in the context of the suggestion (not that I've
> heard there's been one) that a 5-win team be given a waiver to be in a bowl
> game. The real question that has affected NU in the past has been getting
> to a bowl game with six wins. Fitz seemed to be in favor of that; he
> pointed out that we had an entertaining game this past season with two 6-6
> teams.
>
> Personally, as much as I want NU to be in a bowl game every year, I think
> that .500 teams going to bowl games is a joke. Everyone knows there are way
> too many bowl games. I think the proposal that a team must win at least 7
> games to go bowling is a good thing.
>
> Jim B.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video
>
> Nice article, but the Fitz video was even better.  It's been a long time
> since I've heard the phrase "tough noogies".
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:43 AM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video
>
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-big-ten-tournam
> ent--20120307,0,3582221.story<http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-big-ten-tournam%0Aent--20120307,0,3582221.story>
>
> In the final analysis, it will be Cobb and Hearn that push the Cats over
> the top in the BT
> Tourney and beyond. (IMHO)
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>   Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Mar  7 12:01:43 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:01:43 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
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Oops.

 

You know I just have a tough time keeping all of those "T" schools
straight anyway.  After a while they all start looking the same.

 

Thanks for the correction.

 

Jeff

 

From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com [mailto:jonathanwhodges at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 12:51 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff
Cc: Jim Bendat; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tough noogies

 

"He felt that the NU-Texas Tech* game was competitive and entertaining
even though it was between two 6-6 teams."

*The Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas in the 2011 season featured NU vs.
Texas A&M, who were both 6-6 in the regular season.  The TicketCity bowl
in the 2010 season had NU playing Texas Tech, both were 7-5 going into
the bowl game.  This doesn't really affect your argument, though, but
thought I should point it out.

Jonathan

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On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

"Everybody knows that there are way too many bowl games"

It's always dangerous to speak in absolutes. :)

The bowl games exist because they have sponsors, communities willing to
support them, and enough teams with at least six wins willing to play in
them.

Also, you can't just get a bunch of people together and start a bowl
game.  The NCAA has to approve it.  They are also in effect guaranteeing
that there are going to be enough teams to fill all of the slots.

I think what Fitz was referring to in his comment on 5 win teams getting
waivers was how the NCAA would react if there weren't enough eligible
teams to fill all of the slots.

Fitz's attitude, though, was that the bowling in general is a good thing
for players, the program, and the fans.  So he supports the current
system with its regular season 6 win requirement.  He felt that the
NU-Texas Tech game was competitive and entertaining even though it was
between two 6-6 teams.

Jeff





-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Jim Bendat
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:13 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com

Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies

Fitz used that phrase in the context of the suggestion (not that I've
heard there's been one) that a 5-win team be given a waiver to be in a
bowl game. The real question that has affected NU in the past has been
getting to a bowl game with six wins. Fitz seemed to be in favor of
that; he pointed out that we had an entertaining game this past season
with two 6-6 teams.
 
Personally, as much as I want NU to be in a bowl game every year, I
think that .500 teams going to bowl games is a joke. Everyone knows
there are way too many bowl games. I think the proposal that a team must
win at least 7 games to go bowling is a good thing.
 
Jim B.


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz
Video

Nice article, but the Fitz video was even better.  It's been a long time
since I've heard the phrase "tough noogies".

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:43 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northweste
rn-big-ten-tournam
ent--20120307,0,3582221.story
<http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwest
ern-big-ten-tournam%0Aent--20120307,0,3582221.story> 

In the final analysis, it will be Cobb and Hearn that push the Cats over
the top in the BT
Tourney and beyond. (IMHO)

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Mar  7 12:01:49 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:01:49 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
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Interesting article, but ultimately frustrating.

The reporter quoted Delany twice in the article saying that the results
of allowing 6-6 teams to participate in the post season were "not all
positive", but never listed what Delany thought the negatives were.  

That only leaves us to speculate on what the negatives are.

The only significant one that comes to mind is that schools lose money.
NU certainly travels well, but you can appreciate that other BT schools
used to participating in January bowls may not travel well to a lesser
bowl because the team had a down year.  Changing the rule would
certainly spare a team the "embarrassment" of participating in a less
prestigious bowl, but then even under the current system, they could
always simply decline the invitation.

It is also possible that he is concerned that ad revenue may be getting
diluted and fewer bowl games would result in a higher net gain to the
BT, but I don't have access to any of those numbers to know for sure.

Delany may just be thinking ahead to some sort of playoff system and
would prefer to have fewer bowl games cluttering the landscape.

Otherwise, I'm with Fritz.  Any bowl game is good for the program.  Let
'em play.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:57 AM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tough noogies

Here's a longer article with some quotes from officials around the
country
on possibly (re-)instating the "winning record" requirement for bowl
games:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/17622358/if-bowl-eligibil
ity-jumps-to-seven-wins-which-bowls-get-86ed/rss

Note that until 2006 (when the schedule usually consisted of 11 games),
a
winning record (then 6-5) was required, and wins over I-AA teams only
counted in one of every four seasons (starting in 2006, you could count
one
per year).

Much like the 9 game Big Ten slate (scheduled to begin later this
decade) I
agree that upping the bowl requirement to 7-5 will be a good thing for
the
game as a whole but likely bad for Northwestern, specifically.  But, I
would still support it (along with the "Plus One"/4 team playoff, which
I've supported for some time) as I think those in combination would
greatly
increase the value of the CFB postseason.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:50 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> I'm afraid your proposal doesn't work if we have 35 bowl games. (It
> theoratically could mathematically, but unlikely). There just wouldn't
be
> enough eligible teams under most scenarios.
>
>  Too many bowl games is clearly the real culprit.  And there is no
bowl
> czar to limit them So long as someone figures they can make money from
> one,they will keep the current ones and possibly look for more.  The
SI
> article on bowl games (vs a playoff ) says it all. The bowl heads get
paid
> very well, get to play golf while schoomzing, and garner prestige in
the
> local community.  (Anybody interested in starting one with me ?!)
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Bendat <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:13:06
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: Jim Bendat <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
>
> Fitz used that phrase in the context of the suggestion (not that I've
> heard there's been one) that a 5-win team be given a waiver to be in a
bowl
> game. The real question that has affected NU in the past has been
getting
> to a bowl game with six wins. Fitz seemed to be in favor of that; he
> pointed out that we had an entertaining game this past season with two
6-6
> teams.
>
> Personally, as much as I want NU to be in a bowl game every year, I
think
> that .500 teams going to bowl games is a joke. Everyone knows there
are way
> too many bowl games. I think the proposal that a team must win at
least 7
> games to go bowling is a good thing.
>
> Jim B.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz
Video
>
> Nice article, but the Fitz video was even better.  It's been a long
time
> since I've heard the phrase "tough noogies".
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On
> Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:43 AM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video
>
>
>
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northweste
rn-big-ten-tournam
>
ent--20120307,0,3582221.story<http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/colle
ge/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-big-ten-tournam%0Aent--20120307,0,35822
21.story>
>
> In the final analysis, it will be Cobb and Hearn that push the Cats
over
> the top in the BT
> Tourney and beyond. (IMHO)
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>   Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Mar  7 12:12:48 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:12:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
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I have to share a "tough noogies" anecdote.
?
In my first year at Columbia Law School (Second Semester), we all had to take Criminal Law.? One day our Professor, Harold Edgar, asked a question socratically about why the defendant in a particular case we had read deserved the punishment he received.? One of my classmates in the fairly large lecture hall raised his hand and answered, "The 'Tough Noogies' Theory of?Justice."?? The class howled, as did the Professor.
?
Interestingly enough, that student, Sheldon Finkelstein, who became somewhat of a minor legend in our class for his answer, became a local prosecutor (in his home state of New Jersey) after receiving his law degree, like Yours Truly (I was an Assistant DA in Brooklyn.).
?
Paul Levinson

-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff &lt;Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com&gt;
To: Jonathan Hodges &lt;j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu&gt;; hakirsch &lt;hakirsch at aol.com&gt;
Cc: nwu-sports &lt;nwu-sports at tssi.com&gt;
Sent: Wed, Mar 7, 2012 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tough noogies




Interesting article, but ultimately frustrating. 
 
The reporter quoted Delany twice in the article saying that the results 
of allowing 6-6 teams to participate in the post season were "not all 
positive", but never listed what Delany thought the negatives were.   
 
That only leaves us to speculate on what the negatives are. 
 
The only significant one that comes to mind is that schools lose money. 
NU certainly travels well, but you can appreciate that other BT schools 
used to participating in January bowls may not travel well to a lesser 
bowl because the team had a down year.  Changing the rule would 
certainly spare a team the "embarrassment" of participating in a less 
prestigious bowl, but then even under the current system, they could 
always simply decline the invitation. 
 
It is also possible that he is concerned that ad revenue may be getting 
diluted and fewer bowl games would result in a higher net gain to the 
BT, but I don't have access to any of those numbers to know for sure. 
 
Delany may just be thinking ahead to some sort of playoff system and 
would prefer to have fewer bowl games cluttering the landscape. 
 
Otherwise, I'm with Fritz.  Any bowl game is good for the program.  Let 
'em play. 
 
Jeff 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] 
On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges 
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 11:57 AM 
To: hakirsch at aol.com 
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tough noogies 
 
Here's a longer article with some quotes from officials around the 
country 
on possibly (re-)instating the "winning record" requirement for bowl 
games: 
 
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/17622358/if-bowl-eligibil 
ity-jumps-to-seven-wins-which-bowls-get-86ed/rss 
 
Note that until 2006 (when the schedule usually consisted of 11 games), 
a 
winning record (then 6-5) was required, and wins over I-AA teams only 
counted in one of every four seasons (starting in 2006, you could count 
one 
per year). 
 
Much like the 9 game Big Ten slate (scheduled to begin later this 
decade) I 
agree that upping the bowl requirement to 7-5 will be a good thing for 
the 
game as a whole but likely bad for Northwestern, specifically.  But, I 
would still support it (along with the "Plus One"/4 team playoff, which 
I've supported for some time) as I think those in combination would 
greatly 
increase the value of the CFB postseason. 
 
Jonathan 
 
-- 
Jonathan Hodges 
Contributor, HailToPurple 
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/ 
Twitter: @hailtopurple 
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu 
 
 
 
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:50 AM, &lt;hakirsch at aol.com&gt; wrote: 
 
&gt; I'm afraid your proposal doesn't work if we have 35 bowl games. (It 
&gt; theoratically could mathematically, but unlikely). There just wouldn't 
be 
&gt; enough eligible teams under most scenarios. 
&gt; 
&gt;  Too many bowl games is clearly the real culprit.  And there is no 
bowl 
&gt; czar to limit them So long as someone figures they can make money from 
&gt; one,they will keep the current ones and possibly look for more.  The 
SI 
&gt; article on bowl games (vs a playoff ) says it all. The bowl heads get 
paid 
&gt; very well, get to play golf while schoomzing, and garner prestige in 
the 
&gt; local community.  (Anybody interested in starting one with me ?!) 
&gt; 
&gt; Harry 
&gt; Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry 
&gt; 
&gt; -----Original Message----- 
&gt; From: Jim Bendat &lt;inaugurationbook at yahoo.com&gt; 
&gt; Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com 
&gt; Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:13:06 
&gt; To: nwu-sports at tssi.com&lt;nwu-sports at tssi.com&gt; 
&gt; Reply-To: Jim Bendat &lt;inaugurationbook at yahoo.com&gt; 
&gt; Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies 
&gt; 
&gt; Fitz used that phrase in the context of the suggestion (not that I've 
&gt; heard there's been one) that a 5-win team be given a waiver to be in a 
bowl 
&gt; game. The real question that has affected NU in the past has been 
getting 
&gt; to a bowl game with six wins. Fitz seemed to be in favor of that; he 
&gt; pointed out that we had an entertaining game this past season with two 
6-6 
&gt; teams. 
&gt; 
&gt; Personally, as much as I want NU to be in a bowl game every year, I 
think 
&gt; that .500 teams going to bowl games is a joke. Everyone knows there 
are way 
&gt; too many bowl games. I think the proposal that a team must win at 
least 7 
&gt; games to go bowling is a good thing. 
&gt; 
&gt; Jim B. 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; ________________________________ 
&gt; From: "Beamsley, Jeff" &lt;Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com&gt; 
&gt; To: Roy S. Lamberton &lt;rstetson at capps-assoc.com&gt;; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 7:39 AM 
&gt; Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz 
Video 
&gt; 
&gt; Nice article, but the Fitz video was even better.  It's been a long 
time 
&gt; since I've heard the phrase "tough noogies". 
&gt; 
&gt; Jeff 
&gt; 
&gt; -----Original Message----- 
&gt; From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] 
On 
&gt; Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton 
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 8:43 AM 
&gt; To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
&gt; Subject: [NU Sports] 2 fer 1 from Teddy - story on Cobb and Fitz Video 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0307-bits-northweste 
rn-big-ten-tournam 
&gt; 
ent--20120307,0,3582221.story&lt;http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/colle 
ge/ct-spt-0307-bits-northwestern-big-ten-tournam%0Aent--20120307,0,35822 
21.story&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; In the final analysis, it will be Cobb and Hearn that push the Cats 
over 
&gt; the top in the BT 
&gt; Tourney and beyond. (IMHO) 
&gt; 
&gt; rsl 
&gt; 
&gt; +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
&gt; Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not 
&gt; those of any organizations of which I am a member. 
&gt; +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
&gt; Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate. 
&gt; Computer Applications & Support Associates 
&gt; Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org 
&gt; --------------------- Also ---------------------- 
&gt; "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball 
&gt; Director Media Relations - Little League 
&gt;   Senior League Softball World Series 
&gt; CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) 
&gt; Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
&gt; Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 
&gt; Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports) 
&gt; ================================================= 
&gt; There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
&gt; love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
&gt; cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower 
&gt; =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
&gt; If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
&gt; tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!" 
&gt;                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition" 
&gt; ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  =========== 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; 
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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Mar  8 00:52:09 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 00:52:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Tough noogies
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC57098C@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <20120308065209.F0C1465548@romaine.tssi.com>

> "Everybody knows that there are way too many bowl games"
> 
> It's always dangerous to speak in absolutes. :)
> 
> The bowl games exist because they have sponsors, communities willing to 
> support them, and enough teams with at least six wins willing to play in them.

Exactly correct.  And the NCAA still has groups looking to start more bowl games.

So let me be the first here to suggest the 'obvious' solution, go to a 13 game season.  
(I virtually guarantee it has been discussed in more rarified atmospheres, especially
in terms of how much more money that could wring out of the networks.)
--
Mike Nolan


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Mar  8 01:20:40 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 02:20:40 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Juice pulling for 'Cats from long distance
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CDBD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/5582/juice-pulling-for-cats-from-long-distance


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Mar  8 08:11:59 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 09:11:59 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Girardi uses unusual motivational speaker
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CDCB@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

(Good message for the Wildcats to heed today, as they control their NCAA destiny)

http://mobile.nj.com/advnj/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=NziKQ4x6&full=true#display

From aaronsament at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 16:17:29 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 17:17:29 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Indy
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CDBD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CDBD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <8B6BD72A-232A-429C-A2CB-E25D310B0636@gmail.com>

Is anyone else on the list here at the game?



On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:20 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:

> http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/5582/juice-pulling-for-cats-from-long-distance
> 
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 16:20:00 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 14:20:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Indy
In-Reply-To: <8B6BD72A-232A-429C-A2CB-E25D310B0636@gmail.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CDBD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Message-ID: <1331245200.90693.YahooMailNeo@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Only in spirit!

(about to fire up the internet feed now)

Enjoy!

Tom





>________________________________
> From: Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com>
>To: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> 
>Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
>Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:17 PM
>Subject: [NU Sports] Indy
> 
>Is anyone else on the list here at the game?
>
>
>
>On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:20 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:
>
>> http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/5582/juice-pulling-for-cats-from-long-distance
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>_______________________________________________
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>nwu-sports at tssi.com
>http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>
>

From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 17:19:14 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:19:14 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Indy
In-Reply-To: <8B6BD72A-232A-429C-A2CB-E25D310B0636@gmail.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CDBD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Message-ID: <A6C55AC3-FEC2-4B73-BD3D-E3B3F89196CB@yahoo.com>

2000 miles away - but took off work to watch it! - Jim B.



On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is anyone else on the list here at the game?
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:20 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:
> 
>> http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/5582/juice-pulling-for-cats-from-long-distance
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 17:24:06 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:24:06 +0100
Subject: [NU Sports] Indy
In-Reply-To: <A6C55AC3-FEC2-4B73-BD3D-E3B3F89196CB@yahoo.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CDBD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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 <A6C55AC3-FEC2-4B73-BD3D-E3B3F89196CB@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <368646240804856316@unknownmsgid>

I'm in Barcelona - watching on Slingbox. Go Cats!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:18 AM, "inaugurationbook at yahoo.com"
<inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 2000 miles away - but took off work to watch it! - Jim B.
>
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone else on the list here at the game?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:20 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/5582/juice-pulling-for-cats-from-long-distance
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
> _______________________________________________
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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar  8 17:38:39 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:38:39 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Indy
In-Reply-To: <368646240804856316@unknownmsgid>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CDBD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Message-ID: <1371562776-1331249904-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1676291014-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

At Blondie's in NYC--nervous as we fall behind in 2nd half.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:24:06 
To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com<inaugurationbook at yahoo.com>
Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Indy

I'm in Barcelona - watching on Slingbox. Go Cats!

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:18 AM, "inaugurationbook at yahoo.com"
<inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote:

> 2000 miles away - but took off work to watch it! - Jim B.
>
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is anyone else on the list here at the game?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:20 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/5582/juice-pulling-for-cats-from-long-distance
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

_______________________________________________
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From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 17:42:04 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:42:04 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Indy
In-Reply-To: <1371562776-1331249904-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1676291014-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CDBD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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 <A6C55AC3-FEC2-4B73-BD3D-E3B3F89196CB@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <9A8EABBD-760B-4717-A163-27C57EF03919@yahoo.com>

That just about says it all. Here we all are, all across the globe, united in being nervous



On Mar 8, 2012, at 3:38 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> At Blondie's in NYC--nervous as we fall behind in 2nd half.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:24:06 
> To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com<inaugurationbook at yahoo.com>
> Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Indy
> 
> I'm in Barcelona - watching on Slingbox. Go Cats!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:18 AM, "inaugurationbook at yahoo.com"
> <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> 2000 miles away - but took off work to watch it! - Jim B.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Is anyone else on the list here at the game?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:20 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/5582/juice-pulling-for-cats-from-long-distance
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nwu-sports site list
>>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar  8 17:55:21 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:55:21 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Indy
In-Reply-To: <9A8EABBD-760B-4717-A163-27C57EF03919@yahoo.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CDBD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Message-ID: <653320664-1331250906-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1357188423-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Well said, as always Jim.  Every posession is agonizing.  I cannot contemplate defeat.  Expect Victory, to qoute Jim Leonard.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:42:04 
To: neonrye at aol.com<neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Indy

That just about says it all. Here we all are, all across the globe, united in being nervous



On Mar 8, 2012, at 3:38 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> At Blondie's in NYC--nervous as we fall behind in 2nd half.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:24:06 
> To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com<inaugurationbook at yahoo.com>
> Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Indy
> 
> I'm in Barcelona - watching on Slingbox. Go Cats!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:18 AM, "inaugurationbook at yahoo.com"
> <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> 2000 miles away - but took off work to watch it! - Jim B.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Is anyone else on the list here at the game?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:20 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/5582/juice-pulling-for-cats-from-long-distance
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nwu-sports site list
>>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar  8 17:56:46 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:56:46 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Indy
In-Reply-To: <9A8EABBD-760B-4717-A163-27C57EF03919@yahoo.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CDBD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Message-ID: <2107308102-1331250991-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1358708467-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

By the way, Willie Weinbaum is on a plane, hopefully tuned in on DirecTv.  Wonder if the plane is swaying wheb Marco drains a 3.:-)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:42:04 
To: neonrye at aol.com<neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Indy

That just about says it all. Here we all are, all across the globe, united in being nervous



On Mar 8, 2012, at 3:38 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> At Blondie's in NYC--nervous as we fall behind in 2nd half.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:24:06 
> To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com<inaugurationbook at yahoo.com>
> Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Indy
> 
> I'm in Barcelona - watching on Slingbox. Go Cats!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:18 AM, "inaugurationbook at yahoo.com"
> <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> 2000 miles away - but took off work to watch it! - Jim B.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Is anyone else on the list here at the game?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:20 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/5582/juice-pulling-for-cats-from-long-distance
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nwu-sports site list
>>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 18:23:21 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:23:21 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Indy
In-Reply-To: <2107308102-1331250991-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1358708467-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CDBD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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The stress is killing me. 61-61 end of regulation. It's 1:23 in the morning
over here in Barca.

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 3:56 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> By the way, Willie Weinbaum is on a plane, hopefully tuned in on DirecTv.
>  Wonder if the plane is swaying wheb Marco drains a 3.:-)
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 15:42:04
> To: neonrye at aol.com<neonrye at aol.com>
> Cc: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>;
> nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; NU Sports List<
> nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Indy
>
> That just about says it all. Here we all are, all across the globe, united
> in being nervous
>
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 3:38 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
>
> > At Blondie's in NYC--nervous as we fall behind in 2nd half.
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> > Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> > Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:24:06
> > To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com<inaugurationbook at yahoo.com>
> > Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Indy
> >
> > I'm in Barcelona - watching on Slingbox. Go Cats!
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:18 AM, "inaugurationbook at yahoo.com"
> > <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 2000 miles away - but took off work to watch it! - Jim B.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Is anyone else on the list here at the game?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 2:20 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <
> Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/post/_/id/5582/juice-pulling-for-cats-from-long-distance
> >>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> nwu-sports site list
> >>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> >>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> nwu-sports site list
> >>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> >>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nwu-sports site list
> >> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> >> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 18:23:56 2012
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:23:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
Message-ID: <1331252636.44757.YahooMailNeo@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

...make a darn layup?? This is depressing.

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 18:24:57 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:24:57 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
In-Reply-To: <1331252636.44757.YahooMailNeo@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1331252636.44757.YahooMailNeo@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAN7senjKVOaE8XiAzzJCbb+Ug+k3L5HXtXbYWMSXw+mOV1eqmg@mail.gmail.com>

Can we please just win?!

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ...make a darn layup?  This is depressing.
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 18:39:29 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:39:29 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
In-Reply-To: <CAN7senjKVOaE8XiAzzJCbb+Ug+k3L5HXtXbYWMSXw+mOV1eqmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1331252636.44757.YahooMailNeo@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <CAN7senjKVOaE8XiAzzJCbb+Ug+k3L5HXtXbYWMSXw+mOV1eqmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0F02C299-81C1-47D2-AC17-63FF7D38FB82@yahoo.com>

Devestating 



On Mar 8, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Can we please just win?!
> 
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> ...make a darn layup?  This is depressing.
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 18:44:48 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:44:48 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
In-Reply-To: <0F02C299-81C1-47D2-AC17-63FF7D38FB82@yahoo.com>
References: <1331252636.44757.YahooMailNeo@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <CAN7senjKVOaE8XiAzzJCbb+Ug+k3L5HXtXbYWMSXw+mOV1eqmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <0F02C299-81C1-47D2-AC17-63FF7D38FB82@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAN7senie1UoVqOJaF-XVYtrPtK16eMZTEpmnH-aUjSigZbXUaw@mail.gmail.com>

Unfortunately, I fear we have all seen this script before.

I hope not.

But -- I fear a bad ending, one that says, "NIT."

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:39 PM, <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Devestating
>
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Can we please just win?!
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> ...make a darn layup?  This is depressing.
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nwu-sports site list
> >> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> >> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar  8 18:45:25 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:45:25 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
In-Reply-To: <CAN7senjKVOaE8XiAzzJCbb+Ug+k3L5HXtXbYWMSXw+mOV1eqmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1331252636.44757.YahooMailNeo@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <CAN7senjKVOaE8XiAzzJCbb+Ug+k3L5HXtXbYWMSXw+mOV1eqmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <890530020-1331253909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-204017705-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

To quote a Dylan song title,'Cat Nation just took up occupancy on "Desolation Row.". Or is it "Devastation Alley.". I am just crushed and numb.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:24:57 
To: Ben Adler<whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can someone please...

Can we please just win?!

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ...make a darn layup?  This is depressing.
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 18:57:03 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:57:03 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
Message-ID: <8FC592DE-B730-440C-8C83-A16CCF9BD412@yahoo.com>

If we had won today, lost tomorrow, then not gotten a bid, we would have felt like we got screwed. 

Now, because we lost, if we don't get a bid, we'll understand why. 



From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 18:58:21 2012
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:58:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
In-Reply-To: <890530020-1331253909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-204017705-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1331252636.44757.YahooMailNeo@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <CAN7senjKVOaE8XiAzzJCbb+Ug+k3L5HXtXbYWMSXw+mOV1eqmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <890530020-1331253909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-204017705-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1331254701.24154.YahooMailNeo@web164504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Incredibly frustrating. They can't finish at the basket, can't rebound and got out-hustled and worn down. They've proven they don't deserve to make the tourney.


________________________________
From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Ben Adler <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 4:45 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can someone please...

To quote a Dylan song title,'Cat Nation just took up occupancy on "Desolation Row.". Or is it "Devastation Alley.". I am just crushed and numb.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:24:57 
To: Ben Adler<whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can someone please...

Can we please just win?!

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ...make a darn layup?? This is depressing.
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
_______________________________________________
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nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar  8 18:58:38 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:58:38 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
In-Reply-To: <890530020-1331253909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-204017705-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1331252636.44757.YahooMailNeo@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <CAN7senjKVOaE8XiAzzJCbb+Ug+k3L5HXtXbYWMSXw+mOV1eqmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <890530020-1331253909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-204017705-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <656809843-1331254777-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-588623176-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Our lack of depth--even with Cobb--was the difference.  You can't win in OT playing 7 guys.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:45:25 
To: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Ben Adler<whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com>
Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can someone please...

To quote a Dylan song title,'Cat Nation just took up occupancy on "Desolation Row.". Or is it "Devastation Alley.". I am just crushed and numb.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:24:57 
To: Ben Adler<whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can someone please...

Can we please just win?!

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ...make a darn layup?  This is depressing.
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

_______________________________________________
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nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From johnl at mac.com  Thu Mar  8 19:03:37 2012
From: johnl at mac.com (Labbe John)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 19:03:37 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
In-Reply-To: <656809843-1331254777-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-588623176-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1331252636.44757.YahooMailNeo@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <CAN7senjKVOaE8XiAzzJCbb+Ug+k3L5HXtXbYWMSXw+mOV1eqmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <890530020-1331253909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-204017705-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
 <656809843-1331254777-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-588623176-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <ACACEE77-964C-4E70-8B60-3898E25CD520@mac.com>

When did we last win a basketball game in OT?  I can't remember it.


On Mar 8, 2012, at 6:58 PM, NEONRye at aol.com wrote:

> Our lack of depth--even with Cobb--was the difference.  You can't win in OT playing 7 guys.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: neonrye at aol.com
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:45:25 
> To: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Ben Adler<whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
> 
> To quote a Dylan song title,'Cat Nation just took up occupancy on "Desolation Row.". Or is it "Devastation Alley.". I am just crushed and numb.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:24:57 
> To: Ben Adler<whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
> 
> Can we please just win?!
> 
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> ...make a darn layup?  This is depressing.
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Mar  8 19:16:10 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:16:10 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
References: <1331252636.44757.YahooMailNeo@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <CAN7senjKVOaE8XiAzzJCbb+Ug+k3L5HXtXbYWMSXw+mOV1eqmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <890530020-1331253909-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-204017705-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
 <656809843-1331254777-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-588623176-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <37A7D86A8C9348CD887CC37705219EBD@dennismachine>

The instant Sobo's shot missed at the end of regulation, I said 
instinctively, "We've lost the game."  I've seen it too many times to think 
any other way.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <neonrye at aol.com>
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; "Alan Abrahamson" <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; 
<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; "Ben Adler" <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can someone please...


> Our lack of depth--even with Cobb--was the difference.  You can't win in 
> OT playing 7 guys.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: neonrye at aol.com
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:45:25
> To: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; 
> <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Ben Adler<whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
>
> To quote a Dylan song title,'Cat Nation just took up occupancy on 
> "Desolation Row.". Or is it "Devastation Alley.". I am just crushed and 
> numb.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:24:57
> To: Ben Adler<whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
>
> Can we please just win?!
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> ...make a darn layup?  This is depressing.
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Mar  8 19:12:47 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:12:47 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
In-Reply-To: <8FC592DE-B730-440C-8C83-A16CCF9BD412@yahoo.com>
References: <8FC592DE-B730-440C-8C83-A16CCF9BD412@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu5pUMXyrhxb23w0=6uU1FmP89u4MD10NnNro_vMeAh_Gw@mail.gmail.com>

Also, it should be clear that Carmody will be gone and NU can finally move
on from an era that took 12 years where the biggest accomplishment is 4
straight NITs.  If NU had somehow made it into the tourney it would have
been difficult to get rid of him.  I think most everyone agrees its time
for a new era in NU basketball, hopefully to take it to the next level.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If we had won today, lost tomorrow, then not gotten a bid, we would have
> felt like we got screwed.
>
> Now, because we lost, if we don't get a bid, we'll understand why.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar  8 19:24:07 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:24:07 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu5pUMXyrhxb23w0=6uU1FmP89u4MD10NnNro_vMeAh_Gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8FC592DE-B730-440C-8C83-A16CCF9BD412@yahoo.com>
 <CAAxRJu5pUMXyrhxb23w0=6uU1FmP89u4MD10NnNro_vMeAh_Gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1363255904-1331256233-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-763974671-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

I was only worried about how to watch 'Cats-Mich. and also listen to Springsteen Live at The 
Apollo on Sirius.  Now I wish I still had that problem.:-(  I guess I'll just have to console myself with Bruuuuuuuuce!!!!!

This is worst feeling I have had after any NU game since the Outback, at least, maybe longer.   The one mitigating factor is knowing that all of you feel my pain, as I feel yours.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 20:12:47 
To: <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com>
Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream

Also, it should be clear that Carmody will be gone and NU can finally move
on from an era that took 12 years where the biggest accomplishment is 4
straight NITs.  If NU had somehow made it into the tourney it would have
been difficult to get rid of him.  I think most everyone agrees its time
for a new era in NU basketball, hopefully to take it to the next level.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If we had won today, lost tomorrow, then not gotten a bid, we would have
> felt like we got screwed.
>
> Now, because we lost, if we don't get a bid, we'll understand why.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

From shawn.folkes at comcast.net  Thu Mar  8 20:23:18 2012
From: shawn.folkes at comcast.net (shawn.folkes at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 02:23:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
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I don't agree.? And I think there are a lot of fans out there like me. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan Hodges" <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> 
To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com 
Cc: "NU Sports List" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:12:47 PM 
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream 

Also, it should be clear that Carmody will be gone and NU can finally move 
on from an era that took 12 years where the biggest accomplishment is 4 
straight NITs. ?If NU had somehow made it into the tourney it would have 
been difficult to get rid of him. ?I think most everyone agrees its time 
for a new era in NU basketball, hopefully to take it to the next level. 

Jonathan 

-- 
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Contributor, HailToPurple 
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Twitter: @hailtopurple 
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu 



On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote: 

> If we had won today, lost tomorrow, then not gotten a bid, we would have 
> felt like we got screwed. 
> 
> Now, because we lost, if we don't get a bid, we'll understand why. 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Mar  8 20:38:59 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 21:38:59 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Report Card
Message-ID: <687411C2BD984908AD398CD56C7C1368@dennismachine>

Annual Cat Basketball Report Card

Shurna - A  I saw a little bit of Larry Byrd in John Shurna this season.  Last year I had doubts he would never make a good pro.  Now, I think he's got a shot.

Crawford - B  Crawford took a major step forward this season, but he still needs to polish his game, one shortcoming being the ability to score or draw fouls on drives when he's guarded.  He left a lot of points on the floor this season that way.

Sobolewski - B-  An unexpected surprise.  While he must learn to score more and play with better consistency, he is a freshman, after all, and I fully expect will become one of the league's better point guards.

Marcotullio - C  He made positive strides this season, but he should be a seventh or eighth man off the bench, not a starter.

Hearn - C  Another unexpected surprise, but his ability also is that of an seventh or eighth man off the bench, not a starter.

Curletti - D-  He had one good game against Michigan State.  Not surprisingly, the only good game we got from our centers in conference play led to our one signature win.

Mirkovic - F  He played like an untalented freshman and deservedly lost his starting job.

Cobb - I  He may be a future All Big Ten selection.  His healthy presence all season would have made a difference.

The rest of the team - F  These guys take up bench space and provide a so-so practice team.

Coaching C  This is a mixed bag.  Carmody has recruited better players that are disciplined, unselfish, and play their hearts out game after game, but still they cannot win the big games and move beyond won-lost mediocrity in the Big Ten.  His continuing inability to recruit high caliber big men is the single worse flaw in his tenure and the biggest single reason why we continue to be a sub .500 Big Ten team.  We can never be a force in the Big Ten as long as we give up 10 - 20 points a game in put-backs and second chances and have to end every close game funning on fumes.  We need rebounders.  We need depth.  We need more athleticism up and down the squad.

If we make the Big Dance, it is a sympathy vote that we do not deserve.  I suggest we wait until we can prove that truly belong in the NCAA tournament. 

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar  8 21:12:45 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 03:12:45 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] barf
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Did anyone really, really expect anything different -- deep down in your heart -- did you? I didn't. NU hoops will always let you down. Always. 

Brad Wilson
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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 21:17:30 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:17:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
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Once again I also agree that Jonathan is completely wrong.  

My freshman year we were 0-17 in the Big Ten under KO.  We are now competitive with (and in the case of Mich St, have beaten) Top 10 teams in the country.  This was the best year in school history, at least since the 1930s..

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:23 PM, shawn.folkes at comcast.net wrote:

> I don't agree.  And I think there are a lot of fans out there like me. 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Hodges" <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> 
> To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com 
> Cc: "NU Sports List" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:12:47 PM 
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream 
> 
> Also, it should be clear that Carmody will be gone and NU can finally move 
> on from an era that took 12 years where the biggest accomplishment is 4 
> straight NITs.  If NU had somehow made it into the tourney it would have 
> been difficult to get rid of him.  I think most everyone agrees its time 
> for a new era in NU basketball, hopefully to take it to the next level. 
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan Hodges 
> Contributor, HailToPurple 
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/ 
> Twitter: @hailtopurple 
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> 
>> If we had won today, lost tomorrow, then not gotten a bid, we would have 
>> felt like we got screwed. 
>> 
>> Now, because we lost, if we don't get a bid, we'll understand why. 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> nwu-sports site list 
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com 
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports 
>> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com 
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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 21:18:26 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:18:26 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Report Card
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Dennis, while I agree with much of this, who are your last 4 teams in the NCAA if you feel we don't deserve a bid?

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:38 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

> Annual Cat Basketball Report Card
> 
> Shurna - A  I saw a little bit of Larry Byrd in John Shurna this season.  Last year I had doubts he would never make a good pro.  Now, I think he's got a shot.
> 
> Crawford - B  Crawford took a major step forward this season, but he still needs to polish his game, one shortcoming being the ability to score or draw fouls on drives when he's guarded.  He left a lot of points on the floor this season that way.
> 
> Sobolewski - B-  An unexpected surprise.  While he must learn to score more and play with better consistency, he is a freshman, after all, and I fully expect will become one of the league's better point guards.
> 
> Marcotullio - C  He made positive strides this season, but he should be a seventh or eighth man off the bench, not a starter.
> 
> Hearn - C  Another unexpected surprise, but his ability also is that of an seventh or eighth man off the bench, not a starter.
> 
> Curletti - D-  He had one good game against Michigan State.  Not surprisingly, the only good game we got from our centers in conference play led to our one signature win.
> 
> Mirkovic - F  He played like an untalented freshman and deservedly lost his starting job.
> 
> Cobb - I  He may be a future All Big Ten selection.  His healthy presence all season would have made a difference.
> 
> The rest of the team - F  These guys take up bench space and provide a so-so practice team.
> 
> Coaching C  This is a mixed bag.  Carmody has recruited better players that are disciplined, unselfish, and play their hearts out game after game, but still they cannot win the big games and move beyond won-lost mediocrity in the Big Ten.  His continuing inability to recruit high caliber big men is the single worse flaw in his tenure and the biggest single reason why we continue to be a sub .500 Big Ten team.  We can never be a force in the Big Ten as long as we give up 10 - 20 points a game in put-backs and second chances and have to end every close game funning on fumes.  We need rebounders.  We need depth.  We need more athleticism up and down the squad.
> 
> If we make the Big Dance, it is a sympathy vote that we do not deserve.  I suggest we wait until we can prove that truly belong in the NCAA tournament. 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Mar  8 21:35:19 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 03:35:19 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
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 My standards are low having been at NU during some of their worst years.  I rejoiced a few years later when we got our first NIT bid.  And like Aaron, I  realize that we are  improved from when BC came in. But that is the problem. We compare BC to the rock bottom years that we had.  This is fine for the first few years when he was taking over a lousy program but after 12 years, it hasn't really worked. We all know it's due to our inability to recruit a handful of guys that can win. And Dennis ' assertion about big men is spot on. We can't really compete consistently without one. I think its time for  a change. Yes I know if Solo's shot goes in many of us would be singing a different tune but that isn't really the point. 

My suggestion is to  get a top high school coach from the Chicagoland area who has contacts with a bunch of his peers and their assistants to find one good big man every year or 2 who can get admitted to NU and who can be convinced that its a smart move to play in Evanston. Its a gamble saying that essentially we should be able to find one nearby,(rather than Ohio,Indiana or elsewhere) but I think we got to try something different. 

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:17:30 
To: shawn.folkes at comcast.net<shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream

Once again I also agree that Jonathan is completely wrong.  

My freshman year we were 0-17 in the Big Ten under KO.  We are now competitive with (and in the case of Mich St, have beaten) Top 10 teams in the country.  This was the best year in school history, at least since the 1930s..

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:23 PM, shawn.folkes at comcast.net wrote:

> I don't agree.  And I think there are a lot of fans out there like me. 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Hodges" <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> 
> To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com 
> Cc: "NU Sports List" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:12:47 PM 
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream 
> 
> Also, it should be clear that Carmody will be gone and NU can finally move 
> on from an era that took 12 years where the biggest accomplishment is 4 
> straight NITs.  If NU had somehow made it into the tourney it would have 
> been difficult to get rid of him.  I think most everyone agrees its time 
> for a new era in NU basketball, hopefully to take it to the next level. 
> 
> Jonathan 
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan Hodges 
> Contributor, HailToPurple 
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/ 
> Twitter: @hailtopurple 
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> 
>> If we had won today, lost tomorrow, then not gotten a bid, we would have 
>> felt like we got screwed. 
>> 
>> Now, because we lost, if we don't get a bid, we'll understand why. 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ 
>> nwu-sports site list 
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com 
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports 
>> 
> _______________________________________________ 
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com 
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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 21:40:17 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:40:17 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
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How many big men are there right now in high school around Chicago who are better than Alex Olah and can get admitted to NU?  There may be several but I'm not aware of many of them...

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:35 PM, hakirsch at aol.com wrote:

> My standards are low having been at NU during some of their worst years.  I rejoiced a few years later when we got our first NIT bid.  And like Aaron, I  realize that we are  improved from when BC came in. But that is the problem. We compare BC to the rock bottom years that we had.  This is fine for the first few years when he was taking over a lousy program but after 12 years, it hasn't really worked. We all know it's due to our inability to recruit a handful of guys that can win. And Dennis ' assertion about big men is spot on. We can't really compete consistently without one. I think its time for  a change. Yes I know if Solo's shot goes in many of us would be singing a different tune but that isn't really the point. 
> 
> My suggestion is to  get a top high school coach from the Chicagoland area who has contacts with a bunch of his peers and their assistants to find one good big man every year or 2 who can get admitted to NU and who can be convinced that its a smart move to play in Evanston. Its a gamble saying that essentially we should be able to find one nearby,(rather than Ohio,Indiana or elsewhere) but I think we got to try something different. 
> 
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:17:30 
> To: shawn.folkes at comcast.net<shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
> Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
> 
> Once again I also agree that Jonathan is completely wrong.  
> 
> My freshman year we were 0-17 in the Big Ten under KO.  We are now competitive with (and in the case of Mich St, have beaten) Top 10 teams in the country.  This was the best year in school history, at least since the 1930s..
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:23 PM, shawn.folkes at comcast.net wrote:
> 
>> I don't agree.  And I think there are a lot of fans out there like me. 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jonathan Hodges" <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> 
>> To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com 
>> Cc: "NU Sports List" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:12:47 PM 
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream 
>> 
>> Also, it should be clear that Carmody will be gone and NU can finally move 
>> on from an era that took 12 years where the biggest accomplishment is 4 
>> straight NITs.  If NU had somehow made it into the tourney it would have 
>> been difficult to get rid of him.  I think most everyone agrees its time 
>> for a new era in NU basketball, hopefully to take it to the next level. 
>> 
>> Jonathan 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Jonathan Hodges 
>> Contributor, HailToPurple 
>> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/ 
>> Twitter: @hailtopurple 
>> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote: 
>> 
>>> If we had won today, lost tomorrow, then not gotten a bid, we would have 
>>> felt like we got screwed. 
>>> 
>>> Now, because we lost, if we don't get a bid, we'll understand why. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>> nwu-sports site list 
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com 
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports 
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________ 
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>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Mar  8 21:54:27 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:54:27 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
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I seem to remember one year, Tex Winter got commits from 5 of the top players in Chicago.

Only 2 of them could get in.

Like it or not, it takes a special kind of roundballer to come play at NU. It takes a kid
who is willing to both shoot hoops for hours a day, AND spend another 3 or 4 hours doing
homework. 

A kid who comes to NU to play basketball has to be a true student athlete, and anyone who
hangs around top high school athletes know that you are lucky to have one of that kind of
kid in each of the sports.

Illinois had some of the best talent in the state this year, and they couldn't win tonight
either. 

NU has had a problem winning this year when the frosh point guard didn't get his shots to
fall, and tonight, nobody could buy a layup, or so it seemed.

Now comes the big argument over BC - I refer you all to Kevin O'Neil's comments about BC
and the NU job from the Trib, Carmody's a Survivor.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0308-northwestern-big-ten-tournament--
20120308,0,720608.story

NU has now tried a new coach every 3 years, and one who sticks it out for 12. Can any of
you argue that the teams of the rotating staff years were any better than the last 4?

(please try not to be personal or stoop to ad hominum attacks)

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
Ament
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:40 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: NU Sports List; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream

How many big men are there right now in high school around Chicago who are better than
Alex Olah and can get admitted to NU?  There may be several but I'm not aware of many of
them...

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:35 PM, hakirsch at aol.com wrote:

> My standards are low having been at NU during some of their worst years.  I rejoiced a
few years later when we got our first NIT bid.  And like Aaron, I  realize that we are
improved from when BC came in. But that is the problem. We compare BC to the rock bottom
years that we had.  This is fine for the first few years when he was taking over a lousy
program but after 12 years, it hasn't really worked. We all know it's due to our inability
to recruit a handful of guys that can win. And Dennis ' assertion about big men is spot
on. We can't really compete consistently without one. I think its time for  a change. Yes
I know if Solo's shot goes in many of us would be singing a different tune but that isn't
really the point. 
> 
> My suggestion is to  get a top high school coach from the Chicagoland area who has
contacts with a bunch of his peers and their assistants to find one good big man every
year or 2 who can get admitted to NU and who can be convinced that its a smart move to
play in Evanston. Its a gamble saying that essentially we should be able to find one
nearby,(rather than Ohio,Indiana or elsewhere) but I think we got to try something
different. 
> 
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:17:30
> To: shawn.folkes at comcast.net<shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
> Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
> 
> Once again I also agree that Jonathan is completely wrong.  
> 
> My freshman year we were 0-17 in the Big Ten under KO.  We are now competitive with (and
in the case of Mich St, have beaten) Top 10 teams in the country.  This was the best year
in school history, at least since the 1930s..
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:23 PM, shawn.folkes at comcast.net wrote:
> 
>> I don't agree.  And I think there are a lot of fans out there like me. 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jonathan Hodges" <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
>> To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com
>> Cc: "NU Sports List" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:12:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
>> 
>> Also, it should be clear that Carmody will be gone and NU can finally 
>> move on from an era that took 12 years where the biggest 
>> accomplishment is 4 straight NITs.  If NU had somehow made it into 
>> the tourney it would have been difficult to get rid of him.  I think 
>> most everyone agrees its time for a new era in NU basketball, hopefully to take it to
the next level.
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote: 
>> 
>>> If we had won today, lost tomorrow, then not gotten a bid, we would 
>>> have felt like we got screwed.
>>> 
>>> Now, because we lost, if we don't get a bid, we'll understand why. 
>>> 
>>> 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Mar  8 22:33:02 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:33:02 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Report Card
References: <687411C2BD984908AD398CD56C7C1368@dennismachine>
 <9163098B-AA1E-409C-B259-18C8B2EBF22C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <895ED88682C84952A2F15BD91E3F5B17@dennismachine>

<Dennis, while I agree with much of this, who are your last 4 teams in the 
NCAA if you feel we don't deserve a bid?

I quote Rhett Butler here.  I truly do not care who the last four will or 
should be.  I just know that we do not deserve it.

 Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:38 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

> Annual Cat Basketball Report Card
>
> Shurna - A  I saw a little bit of Larry Byrd in John Shurna this season. 
> Last year I had doubts he would never make a good pro.  Now, I think he's 
> got a shot.
>
> Crawford - B  Crawford took a major step forward this season, but he still 
> needs to polish his game, one shortcoming being the ability to score or 
> draw fouls on drives when he's guarded.  He left a lot of points on the 
> floor this season that way.
>
> Sobolewski - B-  An unexpected surprise.  While he must learn to score 
> more and play with better consistency, he is a freshman, after all, and I 
> fully expect will become one of the league's better point guards.
>
> Marcotullio - C  He made positive strides this season, but he should be a 
> seventh or eighth man off the bench, not a starter.
>
> Hearn - C  Another unexpected surprise, but his ability also is that of an 
> seventh or eighth man off the bench, not a starter.
>
> Curletti - D-  He had one good game against Michigan State.  Not 
> surprisingly, the only good game we got from our centers in conference 
> play led to our one signature win.
>
> Mirkovic - F  He played like an untalented freshman and deservedly lost 
> his starting job.
>
> Cobb - I  He may be a future All Big Ten selection.  His healthy presence 
> all season would have made a difference.
>
> The rest of the team - F  These guys take up bench space and provide a 
> so-so practice team.
>
> Coaching C  This is a mixed bag.  Carmody has recruited better players 
> that are disciplined, unselfish, and play their hearts out game after 
> game, but still they cannot win the big games and move beyond won-lost 
> mediocrity in the Big Ten.  His continuing inability to recruit high 
> caliber big men is the single worse flaw in his tenure and the biggest 
> single reason why we continue to be a sub .500 Big Ten team.  We can never 
> be a force in the Big Ten as long as we give up 10 - 20 points a game in 
> put-backs and second chances and have to end every close game funning on 
> fumes.  We need rebounders.  We need depth.  We need more athleticism up 
> and down the squad.
>
> If we make the Big Dance, it is a sympathy vote that we do not deserve.  I 
> suggest we wait until we can prove that truly belong in the NCAA 
> tournament.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Mar  8 22:34:20 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 23:34:20 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Report Card
In-Reply-To: <895ED88682C84952A2F15BD91E3F5B17@dennismachine>
References: <687411C2BD984908AD398CD56C7C1368@dennismachine>
 <9163098B-AA1E-409C-B259-18C8B2EBF22C@gmail.com>
 <895ED88682C84952A2F15BD91E3F5B17@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <bc7229a7-a99c-4b3b-8205-2d96d47e8fbc@blur>

Sorry to say, I agree, altho I wouldn't turn down a slot

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
To: Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 04:33:02 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Cat Report Card

<Dennis, while I agree with much of this, who are your last 4 teams in the  
NCAA if you feel we don't deserve a bid?

I quote Rhett Butler here.  I truly do not care who the last four will or  
should be.  I just know that we do not deserve it.

 Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:38 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

> Annual Cat Basketball Report Card
>
> Shurna - A  I saw a little bit of Larry Byrd in John Shurna this season. >  
Last year I had doubts he would never make a good pro.  Now, I think he's >  
got a shot.
>
> Crawford - B  Crawford took a major step forward this season, but he still  
> needs to polish his game, one shortcoming being the ability to score or >  
draw fouls on drives when he's guarded.  He left a lot of points on the >  
floor this season that way.
>
> Sobolewski - B-  An unexpected surprise.  While he must learn to score >  
more and play with better consistency, he is a freshman, after all, and I >  
fully expect will become one of the league's better point guards.
>
> Marcotullio - C  He made positive strides this season, but he should be a  
> seventh or eighth man off the bench, not a starter.
>
> Hearn - C  Another unexpected surprise, but his ability also is that of an  
> seventh or eighth man off the bench, not a starter.
>
> Curletti - D-  He had one good game against Michigan State.  Not >  
surprisingly, the only good game we got from our centers in conference >  
play led to our one signature win.
>
> Mirkovic - F  He played like an untalented freshman and deservedly lost >  
his starting job.
>
> Cobb - I  He may be a future All Big Ten selection.  His healthy presence  
> all season would have made a difference.
>
> The rest of the team - F  These guys take up bench space and provide a >  
so-so practice team.
>
> Coaching C  This is a mixed bag.  Carmody has recruited better players >  
that are disciplined, unselfish, and play their hearts out game after >  
game, but still they cannot win the big games and move beyond won-lost >  
mediocrity in the Big Ten.  His continuing inability to recruit high >  
caliber big men is the single worse flaw in his tenure and the biggest >  
single reason why we continue to be a sub .500 Big Ten team.  We can never >  
be a force in the Big Ten as long as we give up 10 - 20 points a game in >  
put-backs and second chances and have to end every close game funning on >  
fumes.  We need rebounders.  We need depth.  We need more athleticism up >  
and down the squad.
>
> If we make the Big Dance, it is a sympathy vote that we do not deserve.  I  
> suggest we wait until we can prove that truly belong in the NCAA >  
tournament.
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

_______________________________________________
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Mar  9 00:45:27 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 01:45:27 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] One-and-done instead of won-and-make-a-run
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE19@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Watched first half in Orange County Airport, second half on plane (after missing the first few minutes of the second half because of late boarding). But the DirecTV feed went out (airline announcements took over all of the TVs) from about 3-1/2 minutes left in regulation to when Minn had the ball, playing for a last shot with the game tied.  Talk about agonizing - - not being able to watch during that stretch and to have the feed come back on with the lead gone and Minn having a shot to win.  And Sobo's shot felt for a split-second like a storybook ending.

Overall, it was agonizing, terribly disappointing and wholly familiar.  As is most often the case, big or small picture, Cats have and do enough to get tantalizingly close, but are unable (plagued by not "knowing how to win") to overcome decades of tradition and seal the deal.  Cruel.  Brutal.

Underserving, unfortunately, of an NCAA bid...and I felt as though wins vs Minn and Mich were needed.  When Cobb had the great first half that we knew he had in him and showed what the team was missing for so many games, it felt like this could be a winning night.  But he was matched by the Hollins show.  And there just wasn't enough happening from the guys beyond Shurna, even with all the FTs going in (except for Shurna's).

Too disheartened to get into more specifics.  But I have to remind myself and be appreciative of the thrills of this season and the dedication exemplified by John Shurna and his mates and of the Shurna era's stirring four years.  He, like Billy McKinney, have represented NU with class, humility and excellence.

The team will likely get a profoundly anticlimactic NIT bid and I wish the guys the best and will be watching and supporting, as always...and I hope it'll be a better sendoff for Shurna and more satisfying experience for the whole team than the heartbreaking one-and-done conference tourney appearance.

It ain't easy being a Cats fan, as if we didn't know that already.

From aaronsament at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 06:55:53 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 07:55:53 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Sunday Night
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE19@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE19@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <D632679F-A1C1-49A1-A018-5720E795729B@gmail.com>

I think there is still a decent chance for us Sunday night.  Maybe I'm just biased, but Lunardi has us just out with Seton Hall and Drexel as the last two in.  I like our chances against both of them.

Seton Hall is a team we beat.  They have lost 10 of their last 15 games and lost to DePaul by 30 points a few days ago.  They beat Georgetown which is a very good win, and WVU and UConn, both of whom were playing terribly for the past month or so.  We have a stronger RPI and the committee will factor in Cobb's injury.

Drexel is a team that has no quality wins.  I guess you can count VCU, who was on the bubble before they played in the conf championship game.  They have a terrible RPI and awful strength of schedule.  They had the opportunity to schedule big games and chose not to this year.  I've followed them some the past few years (Bruiser Flint has always been close to the Louisville staff and I went to a camp 15 years ago at UMASS when he was the coach there).  Last year they went to Louisville and won.  This year they lost at Georgia St, lost at Delaware, and lost to Norfolk St at home.  Northwestern deserves a bid over them.

It's easy for the press to say we don't deserve a bid.  But not so much after they compare us to teams they are putting in...

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 9, 2012, at 1:45 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:

> Watched first half in Orange County Airport, second half on plane (after missing the first few minutes of the second half because of late boarding). But the DirecTV feed went out (airline announcements took over all of the TVs) from about 3-1/2 minutes left in regulation to when Minn had the ball, playing for a last shot with the game tied.  Talk about agonizing - - not being able to watch during that stretch and to have the feed come back on with the lead gone and Minn having a shot to win.  And Sobo's shot felt for a split-second like a storybook ending.
> 
> Overall, it was agonizing, terribly disappointing and wholly familiar.  As is most often the case, big or small picture, Cats have and do enough to get tantalizingly close, but are unable (plagued by not "knowing how to win") to overcome decades of tradition and seal the deal.  Cruel.  Brutal.
> 
> Underserving, unfortunately, of an NCAA bid...and I felt as though wins vs Minn and Mich were needed.  When Cobb had the great first half that we knew he had in him and showed what the team was missing for so many games, it felt like this could be a winning night.  But he was matched by the Hollins show.  And there just wasn't enough happening from the guys beyond Shurna, even with all the FTs going in (except for Shurna's).
> 
> Too disheartened to get into more specifics.  But I have to remind myself and be appreciative of the thrills of this season and the dedication exemplified by John Shurna and his mates and of the Shurna era's stirring four years.  He, like Billy McKinney, have represented NU with class, humility and excellence.
> 
> The team will likely get a profoundly anticlimactic NIT bid and I wish the guys the best and will be watching and supporting, as always...and I hope it'll be a better sendoff for Shurna and more satisfying experience for the whole team than the heartbreaking one-and-done conference tourney appearance.
> 
> It ain't easy being a Cats fan, as if we didn't know that already.
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Fri Mar  9 07:05:18 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:05:18 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Sunday Night
In-Reply-To: <D632679F-A1C1-49A1-A018-5720E795729B@gmail.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE19@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Message-ID: <CAAxRJu4=X6_foxdfSa_iHebz+O73oVLpsL+49YOnrwjnJwRWRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Although your arguments are correct, there are still a bunch of games left
to be played with a good amount of teams that could either play themselves
into the tourney from the bubble or lower tier conference teams that could
win their tourney and steal an at-large spot.  As everyone knows, NU needed
yesterday's game to at least stay on the right side of the bubble and get
another shot to play their way in against Michigan, and that certainly did
not happen.  We'd all like to see NU in, but the fact is that if they end
up in now it will be by sheer luck and will be backing their way in and
will almost definitely be a "first four" game in Dayton - still nice but
quite unsatisfying.

Jonathan

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On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think there is still a decent chance for us Sunday night.  Maybe I'm
> just biased, but Lunardi has us just out with Seton Hall and Drexel as the
> last two in.  I like our chances against both of them.
>
> Seton Hall is a team we beat.  They have lost 10 of their last 15 games
> and lost to DePaul by 30 points a few days ago.  They beat Georgetown which
> is a very good win, and WVU and UConn, both of whom were playing terribly
> for the past month or so.  We have a stronger RPI and the committee will
> factor in Cobb's injury.
>
> Drexel is a team that has no quality wins.  I guess you can count VCU, who
> was on the bubble before they played in the conf championship game.  They
> have a terrible RPI and awful strength of schedule.  They had the
> opportunity to schedule big games and chose not to this year.  I've
> followed them some the past few years (Bruiser Flint has always been close
> to the Louisville staff and I went to a camp 15 years ago at UMASS when he
> was the coach there).  Last year they went to Louisville and won.  This
> year they lost at Georgia St, lost at Delaware, and lost to Norfolk St at
> home.  Northwestern deserves a bid over them.
>
> It's easy for the press to say we don't deserve a bid.  But not so much
> after they compare us to teams they are putting in...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 9, 2012, at 1:45 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Watched first half in Orange County Airport, second half on plane (after
> missing the first few minutes of the second half because of late boarding).
> But the DirecTV feed went out (airline announcements took over all of the
> TVs) from about 3-1/2 minutes left in regulation to when Minn had the ball,
> playing for a last shot with the game tied.  Talk about agonizing - - not
> being able to watch during that stretch and to have the feed come back on
> with the lead gone and Minn having a shot to win.  And Sobo's shot felt for
> a split-second like a storybook ending.
> >
> > Overall, it was agonizing, terribly disappointing and wholly familiar.
>  As is most often the case, big or small picture, Cats have and do enough
> to get tantalizingly close, but are unable (plagued by not "knowing how to
> win") to overcome decades of tradition and seal the deal.  Cruel.  Brutal.
> >
> > Underserving, unfortunately, of an NCAA bid...and I felt as though wins
> vs Minn and Mich were needed.  When Cobb had the great first half that we
> knew he had in him and showed what the team was missing for so many games,
> it felt like this could be a winning night.  But he was matched by the
> Hollins show.  And there just wasn't enough happening from the guys beyond
> Shurna, even with all the FTs going in (except for Shurna's).
> >
> > Too disheartened to get into more specifics.  But I have to remind
> myself and be appreciative of the thrills of this season and the dedication
> exemplified by John Shurna and his mates and of the Shurna era's stirring
> four years.  He, like Billy McKinney, have represented NU with class,
> humility and excellence.
> >
> > The team will likely get a profoundly anticlimactic NIT bid and I wish
> the guys the best and will be watching and supporting, as always...and I
> hope it'll be a better sendoff for Shurna and more satisfying experience
> for the whole team than the heartbreaking one-and-done conference tourney
> appearance.
> >
> > It ain't easy being a Cats fan, as if we didn't know that already.
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Mar  9 07:08:06 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:08:06 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Sunday Night
In-Reply-To: <D632679F-A1C1-49A1-A018-5720E795729B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE27@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Today's Chicago Tribune game story @

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0309-northwestern-minnesota-big-ten-tournam-20120309,0,4829708.story

had the following quote (among others) - - CBS analyst Seth Davis tweeted: "Northwestern had 11 chances to beat a top 50 (RPI) team. They won exactly one. There simply is no case."

And for what it's worth, I pass along an observation from an astute basketball observer I know, who watched y-day's game and is not connected to the Cats, but rooted for them:

They played poorly and I think you need a new coach - he doesn't look like he is aggressive enough to get them over the hump.? They need to be more scared of him than the opponent and the whole crew looked scared, resigned, and defeated.


----- Original Message -----
From: Aaron Ament [mailto:aaronsament at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 07:55 AM
To: Weinbaum, Willie
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Sunday Night

I think there is still a decent chance for us Sunday night.  Maybe I'm just biased, but Lunardi has us just out with Seton Hall and Drexel as the last two in.  I like our chances against both of them.

Seton Hall is a team we beat.  They have lost 10 of their last 15 games and lost to DePaul by 30 points a few days ago.  They beat Georgetown which is a very good win, and WVU and UConn, both of whom were playing terribly for the past month or so.  We have a stronger RPI and the committee will factor in Cobb's injury.

Drexel is a team that has no quality wins.  I guess you can count VCU, who was on the bubble before they played in the conf championship game.  They have a terrible RPI and awful strength of schedule.  They had the opportunity to schedule big games and chose not to this year.  I've followed them some the past few years (Bruiser Flint has always been close to the Louisville staff and I went to a camp 15 years ago at UMASS when he was the coach there).  Last year they went to Louisville and won.  This year they lost at Georgia St, lost at Delaware, and lost to Norfolk St at home.  Northwestern deserves a bid over them.

It's easy for the press to say we don't deserve a bid.  But not so much after they compare us to teams they are putting in...

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 9, 2012, at 1:45 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:

> Watched first half in Orange County Airport, second half on plane (after missing the first few minutes of the second half because of late boarding). But the DirecTV feed went out (airline announcements took over all of the TVs) from about 3-1/2 minutes left in regulation to when Minn had the ball, playing for a last shot with the game tied.  Talk about agonizing - - not being able to watch during that stretch and to have the feed come back on with the lead gone and Minn having a shot to win.  And Sobo's shot felt for a split-second like a storybook ending.
>
> Overall, it was agonizing, terribly disappointing and wholly familiar.  As is most often the case, big or small picture, Cats have and do enough to get tantalizingly close, but are unable (plagued by not "knowing how to win") to overcome decades of tradition and seal the deal.  Cruel.  Brutal.
>
> Underserving, unfortunately, of an NCAA bid...and I felt as though wins vs Minn and Mich were needed.  When Cobb had the great first half that we knew he had in him and showed what the team was missing for so many games, it felt like this could be a winning night.  But he was matched by the Hollins show.  And there just wasn't enough happening from the guys beyond Shurna, even with all the FTs going in (except for Shurna's).
>
> Too disheartened to get into more specifics.  But I have to remind myself and be appreciative of the thrills of this season and the dedication exemplified by John Shurna and his mates and of the Shurna era's stirring four years.  He, like Billy McKinney, have represented NU with class, humility and excellence.
>
> The team will likely get a profoundly anticlimactic NIT bid and I wish the guys the best and will be watching and supporting, as always...and I hope it'll be a better sendoff for Shurna and more satisfying experience for the whole team than the heartbreaking one-and-done conference tourney appearance.
>
> It ain't easy being a Cats fan, as if we didn't know that already.
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Mar  9 07:12:31 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:12:31 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Sunday Night
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IMHO Iowa is the only BT team that could become the 7th team from the conf,

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
To: Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com>
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 13:05:18 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sunday Night

Although your arguments are correct, there are still a bunch of games left
to be played with a good amount of teams that could either play themselves
into the tourney from the bubble or lower tier conference teams that could
win their tourney and steal an at-large spot.  As everyone knows, NU needed
yesterday's game to at least stay on the right side of the bubble and get
another shot to play their way in against Michigan, and that certainly did
not happen.  We'd all like to see NU in, but the fact is that if they end
up in now it will be by sheer luck and will be backing their way in and
will almost definitely be a "first four" game in Dayton - still nice but
quite unsatisfying.

Jonathan

--
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Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
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On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think there is still a decent chance for us Sunday night.  Maybe I'm
> just biased, but Lunardi has us just out with Seton Hall and Drexel as the
> last two in.  I like our chances against both of them.
>
> Seton Hall is a team we beat.  They have lost 10 of their last 15 games
> and lost to DePaul by 30 points a few days ago.  They beat Georgetown  
which
> is a very good win, and WVU and UConn, both of whom were playing terribly
> for the past month or so.  We have a stronger RPI and the committee will
> factor in Cobb's injury.
>
> Drexel is a team that has no quality wins.  I guess you can count VCU, who
> was on the bubble before they played in the conf championship game.  They
> have a terrible RPI and awful strength of schedule.  They had the
> opportunity to schedule big games and chose not to this year.  I've
> followed them some the past few years (Bruiser Flint has always been close
> to the Louisville staff and I went to a camp 15 years ago at UMASS when he
> was the coach there).  Last year they went to Louisville and won.  This
> year they lost at Georgia St, lost at Delaware, and lost to Norfolk St at
> home.  Northwestern deserves a bid over them.
>
> It's easy for the press to say we don't deserve a bid.  But not so much
> after they compare us to teams they are putting in...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 9, 2012, at 1:45 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Watched first half in Orange County Airport, second half on plane (after
> missing the first few minutes of the second half because of late  
boarding).
> But the DirecTV feed went out (airline announcements took over all of the
> TVs) from about 3-1/2 minutes left in regulation to when Minn had the  
ball,
> playing for a last shot with the game tied.  Talk about agonizing - - not
> being able to watch during that stretch and to have the feed come back on
> with the lead gone and Minn having a shot to win.  And Sobo's shot felt  
for
> a split-second like a storybook ending.
> >
> > Overall, it was agonizing, terribly disappointing and wholly familiar.
>  As is most often the case, big or small picture, Cats have and do enough
> to get tantalizingly close, but are unable (plagued by not "knowing how to
> win") to overcome decades of tradition and seal the deal.  Cruel.  Brutal.
> >
> > Underserving, unfortunately, of an NCAA bid...and I felt as though wins
> vs Minn and Mich were needed.  When Cobb had the great first half that we
> knew he had in him and showed what the team was missing for so many games,
> it felt like this could be a winning night.  But he was matched by the
> Hollins show.  And there just wasn't enough happening from the guys beyond
> Shurna, even with all the FTs going in (except for Shurna's).
> >
> > Too disheartened to get into more specifics.  But I have to remind
> myself and be appreciative of the thrills of this season and the  
dedication
> exemplified by John Shurna and his mates and of the Shurna era's stirring
> four years.  He, like Billy McKinney, have represented NU with class,
> humility and excellence.
> >
> > The team will likely get a profoundly anticlimactic NIT bid and I wish
> the guys the best and will be watching and supporting, as always...and I
> hope it'll be a better sendoff for Shurna and more satisfying experience
> for the whole team than the heartbreaking one-and-done conference tourney
> appearance.
> >
> > It ain't easy being a Cats fan, as if we didn't know that already.
> > _______________________________________________
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Fri Mar  9 07:20:35 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:20:35 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
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Harry, I clearly agree with your reasoning why Carmody must go.

Yes, Carmody is by all accounts a stand-up guy.  He's honest and
respectable, runs a clean program, graduates his players, and has brought
in some talented guys (Vukusic, Thompson, Coble, Shurna).  He has led NU to
the NIT for what looks to be 4 consecutive seasons and has a couple of
20-win years under his belt and he is the most successful coach at NU in
the modern era.

BUT, in 12 seasons they just haven't taken that next step.  It's admirable
that he was able to get them this far, but that shouldn't guarantee him
essentially a lifetime contract.  Imagine if NU looked at Dennis Green in
the 3-win 1982 season and offered him a lifetime contract.  Yes, it was a
huge step forward after "the streak" but it was by no means achieving a
broader level of success (note that Green would leave NU on his own to go
coach under Bill Walsh, while NU would fail to reach the postseason until
that magical 1995 season).

Carmody has had his chances to get into the top ~20% of the country's teams
and make the tourney in any of his 12 seasons at the helm and he's failed
to do so (even when afforded the advantages of being in a strong major
conference).  His teams have always lacked depth and, as others have
mentioned time and time again, he has never brought in even a decent big
man.  His best seasons' win totals were padded by pasty non-conference
schedules.  He hit .500 in league play just one time (when the team
finished under .500 on the season).  He also almost rand the program back
into the ground about 5 years ago with his 1-win Big Ten performance
despite being on the job long enough to recruit plenty of players to run
the system.  He ran off one of the program's best players before last
season when it looked like the chance for a tourney run was there.

NU needs a coach who can recruit, specifically by bringing in enough
players to field a decent rotation (going an entire season with essentially
6 guys clearly isn't cutting it) and that elusive big man who can rebound
and get the ball in the basket down low (something that doomed NU in this
past game).  It's not going to be easy, but NU needs a different strategy
to make that jump to the next level (again, not asking for conference
titles here: just cracking the tournament).

Jonathan

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Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:35 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

>  My standards are low having been at NU during some of their worst years.
>  I rejoiced a few years later when we got our first NIT bid.  And like
> Aaron, I  realize that we are  improved from when BC came in. But that is
> the problem. We compare BC to the rock bottom years that we had.  This is
> fine for the first few years when he was taking over a lousy program but
> after 12 years, it hasn't really worked. We all know it's due to our
> inability to recruit a handful of guys that can win. And Dennis ' assertion
> about big men is spot on. We can't really compete consistently without one.
> I think its time for  a change. Yes I know if Solo's shot goes in many of
> us would be singing a different tune but that isn't really the point.
>
> My suggestion is to  get a top high school coach from the Chicagoland area
> who has contacts with a bunch of his peers and their assistants to find one
> good big man every year or 2 who can get admitted to NU and who can be
> convinced that its a smart move to play in Evanston. Its a gamble saying
> that essentially we should be able to find one nearby,(rather than
> Ohio,Indiana or elsewhere) but I think we got to try something different.
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:17:30
> To: shawn.folkes at comcast.net<shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
> Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
>
> Once again I also agree that Jonathan is completely wrong.
>
> My freshman year we were 0-17 in the Big Ten under KO.  We are now
> competitive with (and in the case of Mich St, have beaten) Top 10 teams in
> the country.  This was the best year in school history, at least since the
> 1930s..
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:23 PM, shawn.folkes at comcast.net wrote:
>
> > I don't agree.  And I think there are a lot of fans out there like me.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jonathan Hodges" <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
> > To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com
> > Cc: "NU Sports List" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:12:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
> >
> > Also, it should be clear that Carmody will be gone and NU can finally
> move
> > on from an era that took 12 years where the biggest accomplishment is 4
> > straight NITs.  If NU had somehow made it into the tourney it would have
> > been difficult to get rid of him.  I think most everyone agrees its time
> > for a new era in NU basketball, hopefully to take it to the next level.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan Hodges
> > Contributor, HailToPurple
> > Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> > Twitter: @hailtopurple
> > Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If we had won today, lost tomorrow, then not gotten a bid, we would have
> >> felt like we got screwed.
> >>
> >> Now, because we lost, if we don't get a bid, we'll understand why.
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 08:09:19 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:09:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Sunday Night
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Note that Jerry Palm updated their projections for CBS this morning and they still are projecting Northwestern in the tournament.  Palm does note, as Jonathan pointed out, that it depends on what happens today. 

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 9, 2012, at 8:12 AM, "rstetson at capps-assoc.com"<rstetson at capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> IMHO Iowa is the only BT team that could become the 7th team from the conf,
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
> 
> 
> -----Original message-----
> From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
> To: Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com>
> Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 13:05:18 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sunday Night
> 
> Although your arguments are correct, there are still a bunch of games left
> to be played with a good amount of teams that could either play themselves
> into the tourney from the bubble or lower tier conference teams that could
> win their tourney and steal an at-large spot. As everyone knows, NU needed
> yesterday's game to at least stay on the right side of the bubble and get
> another shot to play their way in against Michigan, and that certainly did
> not happen. We'd all like to see NU in, but the fact is that if they end
> up in now it will be by sheer luck and will be backing their way in and
> will almost definitely be a "first four" game in Dayton - still nice but
> quite unsatisfying.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> --
> Jonathan Hodges
> Contributor, HailToPurple
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> Twitter: @hailtopurple
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Aaron Ament wrote:
> 
> > I think there is still a decent chance for us Sunday night. Maybe I'm
> > just biased, but Lunardi has us just out with Seton Hall and Drexel as the
> > last two in. I like our chances against both of them.
> >
> > Seton Hall is a team we beat. They have lost 10 of their last 15 games
> > and lost to DePaul by 30 points a few days ago. They beat Georgetown which
> > is a very good win, and WVU and UConn, both of whom were playing terribly
> > for the past month or so. We have a stronger RPI and the committee will
> > factor in Cobb's injury.
> >
> > Drexel is a team that has no quality wins. I guess you can count VCU, who
> > was on the bubble before they played in the conf championship game. They
> > have a terrible RPI and awful strength of schedule. They had the
> > opportunity to schedule big games and chose not to this year. I've
> > followed them some the past few years (Bruiser Flint has always been close
> > to the Louisville staff and I went to a camp 15 years ago at UMASS when he
> > was the coach there). Last year they went to Louisville and won. This
> > year they lost at Georgia St, lost at Delaware, and lost to Norfolk St at
> > home. Northwestern deserves a bid over them.
> >
> > It's easy for the press to say we don't deserve a bid. But not so much
> > after they compare us to teams they are putting in...
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Mar 9, 2012, at 1:45 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Watched first half in Orange County Airport, second half on plane (after
> > missing the first few minutes of the second half because of late boarding).
> > But the DirecTV feed went out (airline announcements took over all of the
> > TVs) from about 3-1/2 minutes left in regulation to when Minn had the ball,
> > playing for a last shot with the game tied. Talk about agonizing - - not
> > being able to watch during that stretch and to have the feed come back on
> > with the lead gone and Minn having a shot to win. And Sobo's shot felt for
> > a split-second like a storybook ending.
> > >
> > > Overall, it was agonizing, terribly disappointing and wholly familiar.
> > As is most often the case, big or small picture, Cats have and do enough
> > to get tantalizingly close, but are unable (plagued by not "knowing how to
> > win") to overcome decades of tradition and seal the deal. Cruel. Brutal.
> > >
> > > Underserving, unfortunately, of an NCAA bid...and I felt as though wins
> > vs Minn and Mich were needed. When Cobb had the great first half that we
> > knew he had in him and showed what the team was missing for so many games,
> > it felt like this could be a winning night. But he was matched by the
> > Hollins show. And there just wasn't enough happening from the guys beyond
> > Shurna, even with all the FTs going in (except for Shurna's).
> > >
> > > Too disheartened to get into more specifics. But I have to remind
> > myself and be appreciative of the thrills of this season and the dedication
> > exemplified by John Shurna and his mates and of the Shurna era's stirring
> > four years. He, like Billy McKinney, have represented NU with class,
> > humility and excellence.
> > >
> > > The team will likely get a profoundly anticlimactic NIT bid and I wish
> > the guys the best and will be watching and supporting, as always...and I
> > hope it'll be a better sendoff for Shurna and more satisfying experience
> > for the whole team than the heartbreaking one-and-done conference tourney
> > appearance.
> > >
> > > It ain't easy being a Cats fan, as if we didn't know that already.
> > > _______________________________________________
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Mar  9 08:14:45 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:14:45 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you haven't already read it...
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This Trib story's a must-read:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0309-haugh-northwestern-chicago--20120309,0,425271.column

From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 08:41:28 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:41:28 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
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The Denny Green analogy is exactly how I feel. Had he not left on his own accord I'm not sure he could of taken us to the next level. BC may have taken us from the bottom of the heap, but after 12 years,its not good enough in my book 

Harry

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Sender: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:20:35 
To: <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: Aaron Ament<aaronsament at gmail.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; shawn.folkes at comcast.net<shawn.folkes at comcast.net>; NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream

Harry, I clearly agree with your reasoning why Carmody must go.

Yes, Carmody is by all accounts a stand-up guy.  He's honest and
respectable, runs a clean program, graduates his players, and has brought
in some talented guys (Vukusic, Thompson, Coble, Shurna).  He has led NU to
the NIT for what looks to be 4 consecutive seasons and has a couple of
20-win years under his belt and he is the most successful coach at NU in
the modern era.

BUT, in 12 seasons they just haven't taken that next step.  It's admirable
that he was able to get them this far, but that shouldn't guarantee him
essentially a lifetime contract.  Imagine if NU looked at Dennis Green in
the 3-win 1982 season and offered him a lifetime contract.  Yes, it was a
huge step forward after "the streak" but it was by no means achieving a
broader level of success (note that Green would leave NU on his own to go
coach under Bill Walsh, while NU would fail to reach the postseason until
that magical 1995 season).

Carmody has had his chances to get into the top ~20% of the country's teams
and make the tourney in any of his 12 seasons at the helm and he's failed
to do so (even when afforded the advantages of being in a strong major
conference).  His teams have always lacked depth and, as others have
mentioned time and time again, he has never brought in even a decent big
man.  His best seasons' win totals were padded by pasty non-conference
schedules.  He hit .500 in league play just one time (when the team
finished under .500 on the season).  He also almost rand the program back
into the ground about 5 years ago with his 1-win Big Ten performance
despite being on the job long enough to recruit plenty of players to run
the system.  He ran off one of the program's best players before last
season when it looked like the chance for a tourney run was there.

NU needs a coach who can recruit, specifically by bringing in enough
players to field a decent rotation (going an entire season with essentially
6 guys clearly isn't cutting it) and that elusive big man who can rebound
and get the ball in the basket down low (something that doomed NU in this
past game).  It's not going to be easy, but NU needs a different strategy
to make that jump to the next level (again, not asking for conference
titles here: just cracking the tournament).

Jonathan

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On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:35 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

>  My standards are low having been at NU during some of their worst years.
>  I rejoiced a few years later when we got our first NIT bid.  And like
> Aaron, I  realize that we are  improved from when BC came in. But that is
> the problem. We compare BC to the rock bottom years that we had.  This is
> fine for the first few years when he was taking over a lousy program but
> after 12 years, it hasn't really worked. We all know it's due to our
> inability to recruit a handful of guys that can win. And Dennis ' assertion
> about big men is spot on. We can't really compete consistently without one.
> I think its time for  a change. Yes I know if Solo's shot goes in many of
> us would be singing a different tune but that isn't really the point.
>
> My suggestion is to  get a top high school coach from the Chicagoland area
> who has contacts with a bunch of his peers and their assistants to find one
> good big man every year or 2 who can get admitted to NU and who can be
> convinced that its a smart move to play in Evanston. Its a gamble saying
> that essentially we should be able to find one nearby,(rather than
> Ohio,Indiana or elsewhere) but I think we got to try something different.
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:17:30
> To: shawn.folkes at comcast.net<shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
> Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
>
> Once again I also agree that Jonathan is completely wrong.
>
> My freshman year we were 0-17 in the Big Ten under KO.  We are now
> competitive with (and in the case of Mich St, have beaten) Top 10 teams in
> the country.  This was the best year in school history, at least since the
> 1930s..
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:23 PM, shawn.folkes at comcast.net wrote:
>
> > I don't agree.  And I think there are a lot of fans out there like me.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jonathan Hodges" <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
> > To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com
> > Cc: "NU Sports List" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:12:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
> >
> > Also, it should be clear that Carmody will be gone and NU can finally
> move
> > on from an era that took 12 years where the biggest accomplishment is 4
> > straight NITs.  If NU had somehow made it into the tourney it would have
> > been difficult to get rid of him.  I think most everyone agrees its time
> > for a new era in NU basketball, hopefully to take it to the next level.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan Hodges
> > Contributor, HailToPurple
> > Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> > Twitter: @hailtopurple
> > Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If we had won today, lost tomorrow, then not gotten a bid, we would have
> >> felt like we got screwed.
> >>
> >> Now, because we lost, if we don't get a bid, we'll understand why.
> >>
> >>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Mar  9 08:49:53 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:49:53 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you haven't already read it...
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I think that I went through all of the stages of grief last night.

I've made it to acceptance, but I haven't been able to read the various
email threads regarding the game.  Maybe I'll be able to get to them
later.  Right now it is just too painful.  So I apologize if some of
this has been covered in other messages.

I was able to read this article this morning and think that it is pretty
much on target.

These kids just weren't ready to compete at crunch time.

They played as if they had everything to lose rather than something
historic to win.

At the end of the day, the head coach has to take responsibility for his
kids being in this mental state.

This is no different from Bruce Weber failing to get his divas to play
as a team.

It is the coach's responsibility to get his team ready to play.  

It is also the coach's responsibility to help teams grow in their
understanding of what it takes to win games.  

Shurna did grow in his understanding of his role coming down the
stretch, but just one key stat is that NU ended up being 0-3 in OT.

Clearly Shurna just wasn't able to consistently fill the role of a late
game closer.

The operative question at the end of the day is who takes responsibility
for that - Shurna or Carmody?

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
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On Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 9:15 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] If you haven't already read it...

This Trib story's a must-read:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0309-haugh-northwest
ern-chicago--20120309,0,425271.column
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From dmangoub at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 08:56:47 2012
From: dmangoub at aol.com (David Mangoubi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:56:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you haven't already read it...
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE2D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE2D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <8CECC1BFC55BBAF-6C4-EBAF@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com>

The quote from that story says it all,

 "As likable as Carmody is, teams reflect their coaches. Laid-back Northwestern protects late leads with no confidence and can't put people away, instead buckling under pressure for reasons nobody can explain."

Go Cubs Go! Go Cats Go!



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To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:16 am
Subject: [NU Sports] If you haven't already read it...


This Trib story's a must-read:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0309-haugh-northwestern-chicago--20120309,0,425271.column
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 08:58:48 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:58:48 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
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On a related note ,in an earlier post,it was suggested that our academic standards for hoops are higher than Duke,VAndy and WFU. I'm happy to be at their level. My criteria for admission of an athlete who a head coach wants is "Does this kid have a good shot at graduating?". I'm happy to have the kid go year round to lighten his course load and have paid tutors in every subject and writing too if needed.  Yes these are standards that might not apply to the average kid applying to NU, but a desired recruit ought to have those standards lowered if needed, but not too low so as to effectively mis-lead a kid into thinking he/she can get a degree when they can't

Almost all of the competitive schools have a lower set of academic numbers if a kid brings something special (top chess player,or musician,leader,etc) surely a top athlete qualifies

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:41:28 
To: Jonathan Hodges<j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>; <jonathanwhodges at gmail.com>
Reply-To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Aaron Ament<aaronsament at gmail.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; shawn.folkes at comcast.net<shawn.folkes at comcast.net>; NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream

The Denny Green analogy is exactly how I feel. Had he not left on his own accord I'm not sure he could of taken us to the next level. BC may have taken us from the bottom of the heap, but after 12 years,its not good enough in my book 

Harry

Harry 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Sender: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:20:35 
To: <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: Aaron Ament<aaronsament at gmail.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; shawn.folkes at comcast.net<shawn.folkes at comcast.net>; NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream

Harry, I clearly agree with your reasoning why Carmody must go.

Yes, Carmody is by all accounts a stand-up guy.  He's honest and
respectable, runs a clean program, graduates his players, and has brought
in some talented guys (Vukusic, Thompson, Coble, Shurna).  He has led NU to
the NIT for what looks to be 4 consecutive seasons and has a couple of
20-win years under his belt and he is the most successful coach at NU in
the modern era.

BUT, in 12 seasons they just haven't taken that next step.  It's admirable
that he was able to get them this far, but that shouldn't guarantee him
essentially a lifetime contract.  Imagine if NU looked at Dennis Green in
the 3-win 1982 season and offered him a lifetime contract.  Yes, it was a
huge step forward after "the streak" but it was by no means achieving a
broader level of success (note that Green would leave NU on his own to go
coach under Bill Walsh, while NU would fail to reach the postseason until
that magical 1995 season).

Carmody has had his chances to get into the top ~20% of the country's teams
and make the tourney in any of his 12 seasons at the helm and he's failed
to do so (even when afforded the advantages of being in a strong major
conference).  His teams have always lacked depth and, as others have
mentioned time and time again, he has never brought in even a decent big
man.  His best seasons' win totals were padded by pasty non-conference
schedules.  He hit .500 in league play just one time (when the team
finished under .500 on the season).  He also almost rand the program back
into the ground about 5 years ago with his 1-win Big Ten performance
despite being on the job long enough to recruit plenty of players to run
the system.  He ran off one of the program's best players before last
season when it looked like the chance for a tourney run was there.

NU needs a coach who can recruit, specifically by bringing in enough
players to field a decent rotation (going an entire season with essentially
6 guys clearly isn't cutting it) and that elusive big man who can rebound
and get the ball in the basket down low (something that doomed NU in this
past game).  It's not going to be easy, but NU needs a different strategy
to make that jump to the next level (again, not asking for conference
titles here: just cracking the tournament).

Jonathan

--
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Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 10:35 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

>  My standards are low having been at NU during some of their worst years.
>  I rejoiced a few years later when we got our first NIT bid.  And like
> Aaron, I  realize that we are  improved from when BC came in. But that is
> the problem. We compare BC to the rock bottom years that we had.  This is
> fine for the first few years when he was taking over a lousy program but
> after 12 years, it hasn't really worked. We all know it's due to our
> inability to recruit a handful of guys that can win. And Dennis ' assertion
> about big men is spot on. We can't really compete consistently without one.
> I think its time for  a change. Yes I know if Solo's shot goes in many of
> us would be singing a different tune but that isn't really the point.
>
> My suggestion is to  get a top high school coach from the Chicagoland area
> who has contacts with a bunch of his peers and their assistants to find one
> good big man every year or 2 who can get admitted to NU and who can be
> convinced that its a smart move to play in Evanston. Its a gamble saying
> that essentially we should be able to find one nearby,(rather than
> Ohio,Indiana or elsewhere) but I think we got to try something different.
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:17:30
> To: shawn.folkes at comcast.net<shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
> Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
>
> Once again I also agree that Jonathan is completely wrong.
>
> My freshman year we were 0-17 in the Big Ten under KO.  We are now
> competitive with (and in the case of Mich St, have beaten) Top 10 teams in
> the country.  This was the best year in school history, at least since the
> 1930s..
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:23 PM, shawn.folkes at comcast.net wrote:
>
> > I don't agree.  And I think there are a lot of fans out there like me.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jonathan Hodges" <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
> > To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com
> > Cc: "NU Sports List" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:12:47 PM
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
> >
> > Also, it should be clear that Carmody will be gone and NU can finally
> move
> > on from an era that took 12 years where the biggest accomplishment is 4
> > straight NITs.  If NU had somehow made it into the tourney it would have
> > been difficult to get rid of him.  I think most everyone agrees its time
> > for a new era in NU basketball, hopefully to take it to the next level.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan Hodges
> > Contributor, HailToPurple
> > Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> > Twitter: @hailtopurple
> > Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> If we had won today, lost tomorrow, then not gotten a bid, we would have
> >> felt like we got screwed.
> >>
> >> Now, because we lost, if we don't get a bid, we'll understand why.
> >>
> >>
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From dmangoub at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 08:59:39 2012
From: dmangoub at aol.com (David Mangoubi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 09:59:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you haven't already read it...
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FC5F@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE2D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/news;_ylt=A2KLPrtfFVpPXnoALQw5nYcB?slug=pf-forde_northwestern_again_chokes_away_ncaa_bid_030812



"And the school?s tolerance of Carmody shows that basketball success isn?t exactly a front-burner priority. This is Carmody?s 12th season in Evanston. He clearly has elevated the program; this was Northwestern?s fourth consecutive winning season ? a first since the early 1930s ? but it?s just as clear that he can only take the Wildcats so far.



How many years does it take before his bosses deliver an ultimatum: Get us to the Big Dance or we have to make a change. That lack of administrative urgency helps maintain the status quo."







-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Weinbaum, Willie <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 8:50 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you haven't already read it...


I think that I went through all of the stages of grief last night.

I've made it to acceptance, but I haven't been able to read the various
email threads regarding the game.  Maybe I'll be able to get to them
later.  Right now it is just too painful.  So I apologize if some of
this has been covered in other messages.

I was able to read this article this morning and think that it is pretty
much on target.

These kids just weren't ready to compete at crunch time.

They played as if they had everything to lose rather than something
historic to win.

At the end of the day, the head coach has to take responsibility for his
kids being in this mental state.

This is no different from Bruce Weber failing to get his divas to play
as a team.

It is the coach's responsibility to get his team ready to play.  

It is also the coach's responsibility to help teams grow in their
understanding of what it takes to win games.  

Shurna did grow in his understanding of his role coming down the
stretch, but just one key stat is that NU ended up being 0-3 in OT.

Clearly Shurna just wasn't able to consistently fill the role of a late
game closer.

The operative question at the end of the day is who takes responsibility
for that - Shurna or Carmody?

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 9:15 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] If you haven't already read it...

This Trib story's a must-read:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0309-haugh-northwest
ern-chicago--20120309,0,425271.column
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 09:00:55 2012
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:00:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Report Card
Message-ID: <5763.70bee75f.3c8b7526@aol.com>

My sentiments as well. However, it would be far more satisfying to me  
personally, if we were to become eligible as a result of our record,  rather 
than with the general feeling we are a charity case.
Don Williams, C55
 
 
In a message dated 3/8/2012 10:35:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
rstetson at capps-assoc.com writes:

Sorry to  say, I agree, altho I wouldn't turn down a  slot



From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Mar  9 09:21:37 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:21:37 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Weber gone
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FC79@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-illinois-athletic-dire
ctor-announces-basketball-news-conference-20120309,0,2009417.story

Jeff


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Mar  9 09:33:46 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:33:46 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Ebert steals show at NU pro day
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE35@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0309-northwestern-football--20120309,0,3582573.story


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Mar  9 09:41:36 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:41:36 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Ebert steals show at NU pro day
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Still good news from football.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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To: "'nwu-sports at tssi.com'" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 15:33:46 GMT+00:00
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Ebert steals show at NU pro day


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0309-northwestern-footbal 
l--20120309,0,3582573.story

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Mar  9 09:43:03 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:43:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Darren Rovell eloquently captures PURPLE PAIN
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE39@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.cnbc.com/id/46681118

From scottzel at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 09:50:08 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 07:50:08 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Ebert steals show at NU pro day
In-Reply-To: <a3409917-eda5-400f-8bca-3a5e35bb4b3b@blur>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE35@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Message-ID: <CAHChqvjXtF44duytZ4VT5SXCV2dzqZTSo=uYLUKvHPtLxMZhUQ@mail.gmail.com>

I really didn't understand why Ebert wasn't invited to the combine. He has
good size, speed and hands, and has proven himself by being All-Big Ten two
years in a row. Sounds like he made up for it yesterday, great news! One of
my all-time favorite NU players. The mental image of the entire Nebraska
team running way behind him as he streaked into the end zone for a long TD
is burned in forever.

Just the kind of news to cheer me up after yesterday's debacle. I don't
like basketball anyway, it is a boring game for all but the last five
minutes, and then agonizingly stressful. Sort of like being on-call with
the Code Blue team.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 7:41 AM, rstetson at capps-assoc.com <
rstetson at capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> Still good news from football.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
>
> -----Original message-----
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> To: "'nwu-sports at tssi.com'" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Fri, Mar 9, 2012 15:33:46 GMT+00:00
> Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Ebert steals show at NU pro day
>
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/**sports/college/ct-spt-0309-**
> northwestern-football--**20120309,0,3582573.story<http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0309-northwestern-football--20120309,0,3582573.story>
>
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From dmangoub at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 09:53:37 2012
From: dmangoub at aol.com (David Mangoubi)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:53:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Darren Rovell eloquently captures PURPLE PAIN
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE39@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE39@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Great story that captures the meaning of being a Northwestern alum and fan."

"It?s not easy being purple....

But I love being a Northwestern fan because it?s harder than being a fan of almost any other program. We don?t get anything for free. And when we beat Ohio State in football or Michigan State in basketball, it?s that much sweeter.

We?re really a family.

I love the fact that when I see people in Northwestern gear, I know they are true fans.

We wear purple for cryin' out loud."



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From martinitis at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 07:18:49 2012
From: martinitis at aol.com (Louis Martinaitis)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 05:18:49 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
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Certainly our recruiting could be better. But as i said earlier, I believe the talent was good enough.  The end of game planning stunk.

I'd love to know what Tavaras was thinking as he listened in the time out huddles at the end.....

As I said earlier, 

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2012, at 7:54 PM, "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> I seem to remember one year, Tex Winter got commits from 5 of the top players in Chicago.
> 
> Only 2 of them could get in.
> 
> Like it or not, it takes a special kind of roundballer to come play at NU. It takes a kid
> who is willing to both shoot hoops for hours a day, AND spend another 3 or 4 hours doing
> homework. 
> 
> A kid who comes to NU to play basketball has to be a true student athlete, and anyone who
> hangs around top high school athletes know that you are lucky to have one of that kind of
> kid in each of the sports.
> 
> Illinois had some of the best talent in the state this year, and they couldn't win tonight
> either. 
> 
> NU has had a problem winning this year when the frosh point guard didn't get his shots to
> fall, and tonight, nobody could buy a layup, or so it seemed.
> 
> Now comes the big argument over BC - I refer you all to Kevin O'Neil's comments about BC
> and the NU job from the Trib, Carmody's a Survivor.
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0308-northwestern-big-ten-tournament--
> 20120308,0,720608.story
> 
> NU has now tried a new coach every 3 years, and one who sticks it out for 12. Can any of
> you argue that the teams of the rotating staff years were any better than the last 4?
> 
> (please try not to be personal or stoop to ad hominum attacks)
> 
> rsl
> 
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> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
> Ament
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 10:40 PM
> To: hakirsch at aol.com
> Cc: NU Sports List; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
> 
> How many big men are there right now in high school around Chicago who are better than
> Alex Olah and can get admitted to NU?  There may be several but I'm not aware of many of
> them...
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 10:35 PM, hakirsch at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> My standards are low having been at NU during some of their worst years.  I rejoiced a
> few years later when we got our first NIT bid.  And like Aaron, I  realize that we are
> improved from when BC came in. But that is the problem. We compare BC to the rock bottom
> years that we had.  This is fine for the first few years when he was taking over a lousy
> program but after 12 years, it hasn't really worked. We all know it's due to our inability
> to recruit a handful of guys that can win. And Dennis ' assertion about big men is spot
> on. We can't really compete consistently without one. I think its time for  a change. Yes
> I know if Solo's shot goes in many of us would be singing a different tune but that isn't
> really the point. 
>> 
>> My suggestion is to  get a top high school coach from the Chicagoland area who has
> contacts with a bunch of his peers and their assistants to find one good big man every
> year or 2 who can get admitted to NU and who can be convinced that its a smart move to
> play in Evanston. Its a gamble saying that essentially we should be able to find one
> nearby,(rather than Ohio,Indiana or elsewhere) but I think we got to try something
> different. 
>> 
>> Harry
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com>
>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:17:30
>> To: shawn.folkes at comcast.net<shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
>> Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
>> 
>> Once again I also agree that Jonathan is completely wrong.  
>> 
>> My freshman year we were 0-17 in the Big Ten under KO.  We are now competitive with (and
> in the case of Mich St, have beaten) Top 10 teams in the country.  This was the best year
> in school history, at least since the 1930s..
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 9:23 PM, shawn.folkes at comcast.net wrote:
>> 
>>> I don't agree.  And I think there are a lot of fans out there like me. 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jonathan Hodges" <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
>>> To: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com
>>> Cc: "NU Sports List" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 7:12:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Trying to make s**t taste like ice cream
>>> 
>>> Also, it should be clear that Carmody will be gone and NU can finally 
>>> move on from an era that took 12 years where the biggest 
>>> accomplishment is 4 straight NITs.  If NU had somehow made it into 
>>> the tourney it would have been difficult to get rid of him.  I think 
>>> most everyone agrees its time for a new era in NU basketball, hopefully to take it to
> the next level.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Twitter: @hailtopurple
>>> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 7:57 PM, <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com> wrote: 
>>> 
>>>> If we had won today, lost tomorrow, then not gotten a bid, we would 
>>>> have felt like we got screwed.
>>>> 
>>>> Now, because we lost, if we don't get a bid, we'll understand why. 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From martinitis at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 09:57:38 2012
From: martinitis at aol.com (Louis Martinaitis)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 07:57:38 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
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Sorry for the tardiness of this post to the thread.  But I couldn't cope or write last night.

That said, what troubles me more than the loss, is the fact that we were so visibly out coached, Again, at crunch time.  Leading with a minute to go, unable to call a scheme to get the ball in bounded, everyone 28 ft from the bucket inside of 10 on the shot clock, playing not to lose ( no trey attempts) in last 5 minutes...one can go on and on.

And feel so sorry for the team.  They have always played their guts out.  They never quit and my heart goes out to them.  

But they have been consistently let down at crunch time.  No excellence or leadership from the bench.  They deserved to make the Dance. They were just let down by their leader.

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 8, 2012, at 5:16 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

> The instant Sobo's shot missed at the end of regulation, I said instinctively, "We've lost the game."  I've seen it too many times to think any other way.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: <neonrye at aol.com>
> To: <neonrye at aol.com>; "Alan Abrahamson" <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; "Ben Adler" <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 7:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
> 
> 
>> Our lack of depth--even with Cobb--was the difference.  You can't win in OT playing 7 guys.
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: neonrye at aol.com
>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 00:45:25
>> To: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Ben Adler<whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
>> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
>> 
>> To quote a Dylan song title,'Cat Nation just took up occupancy on "Desolation Row.". Or is it "Devastation Alley.". I am just crushed and numb.
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>> Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 16:24:57
>> To: Ben Adler<whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can someone please...
>> 
>> Can we please just win?!
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> ...make a darn layup?  This is depressing.
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From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 10:43:58 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 08:43:58 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Weber gone
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I hope, for Weber's sake, that he gets another coaching job. I say that because, with that voice of his, he's not going to get a tv or radio gig. 

Jim B. 



On Mar 9, 2012, at 7:21 AM, "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/breaking/chi-illinois-athletic-dire
> ctor-announces-basketball-news-conference-20120309,0,2009417.story
> 
> Jeff
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Mar  9 11:42:51 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 12:42:51 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Bruce Weber/Illini stat very unlike NU situation
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C13251D7@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Illinois coach Bruce Weber won nine NCAA tournament games, but never a national title. The Illini have the most wins (39) without winning an NCAA Championship.


From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 11:56:30 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:56:30 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Bruce Weber/Illini stat very unlike NU situation
Message-ID: <776691898-1331315791-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1539518450-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

I wish we could say that.

 Illinois got screwed about 20 years ago having to
 play Kentucky in the final 4 (or 8) at Rupp arena
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To: Northwestern Wildcats (nwu-sports at tssi.com)
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Bruce Weber/Illini stat very unlike NU situation
Sent: Mar 9, 2012 9:42 AM

Illinois coach Bruce Weber won nine NCAA tournament games, but never a national title. The Illini have the most wins (39) without winning an NCAA Championship.

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Mar  9 12:01:41 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 13:01:41 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Bruce Weber/Illini stat very unlike NU situation
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Clearly the expectations at Illinois are much higher than they are at
NU.

So I'm not surprised that Weber is gone.  He recruited a great team that
should have made a run at a BT championship.  The players share some
responsibility for the outcome, but Weber is the guy who failed here.
He knew what he had coming in and was unable to take this group of
basketball prima donnas and turn them into a team.

Carmody's recruiting, on the other hand, has to be described as quirky
at best.  He has said as much himself.

He gets good kids and they did play their hearts out, but he failed them
too.  He taught them a system that they could win with, but he failed to
teach them HOW to win with it.  The players, like Illinois, share some
responsibility here - but they are all kids.  Carmody is the adult,
their coach, and their teacher.  They were unprepared to deal with the
pressures that they faced in their run to the NCAA and it was that fear
of loss that ultimately was on display for all to see.

Jeff

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On Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 12:43 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats (nwu-sports at tssi.com)
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Bruce Weber/Illini stat very unlike NU
situation

Illinois coach Bruce Weber won nine NCAA tournament games, but never a
national title. The Illini have the most wins (39) without winning an
NCAA Championship.

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Mar  9 14:36:19 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:36:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD31@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/03/michigan_state_overwhelm
s_iowa.html

So who is the #7 BT team invited to the dance?

Iowa beat an Illinois team who just fired their coach and finishes the
season 17-16 with an RPI rank of 126.  So I don't think it will be Iowa.

Minny has a shot if they beat UoM today.  That will give them a 20-13
record with signature wins against Illinois at home, Indiana on the
road, and Michigan (neutral).  Their RPI before tonight's game ranks
84th.

But let's assume that they lose to UoM.

What happens then?

Minny ends the season 19-14 with an RPI twenty places lower than NU.

By comparison, NU loses to a Minny team in overtime and finished the
season 18-13 with an RPI rank of 53.  Our signature wins were against
Seton Hall (neutral), MSU at home, and Illinois on the road.

I agree that there is no requirement for the NCAA to extend invitations
to 7 BT teams, but they still manage to do it regularly.  

So if Minny loses, what other team with a better RPI, better W-L record,
and better set of signature wins is going to take our place?

Jeff




From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Mar  9 14:45:07 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:45:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Weber gone
In-Reply-To: <D774821C-413D-4F6D-B09A-1956490F4AAC@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120309204507.28F1664F81@romaine.tssi.com>

According to the Lincoln papers, Doc Sadler has been fired as the men's
basketball coach at Nebraska.
--
Mike Nolan


From martinitis at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 14:47:50 2012
From: martinitis at aol.com (Louis Martinaitis)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 12:47:50 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD31@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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Jeff, 

From  your mouth to God's ears

Louis Martinaitis
 


On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:36 PM, "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

> http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/03/michigan_state_overwhelm
> s_iowa.html
> 
> So who is the #7 BT team invited to the dance?
> 
> Iowa beat an Illinois team who just fired their coach and finishes the
> season 17-16 with an RPI rank of 126.  So I don't think it will be Iowa.
> 
> Minny has a shot if they beat UoM today.  That will give them a 20-13
> record with signature wins against Illinois at home, Indiana on the
> road, and Michigan (neutral).  Their RPI before tonight's game ranks
> 84th.
> 
> But let's assume that they lose to UoM.
> 
> What happens then?
> 
> Minny ends the season 19-14 with an RPI twenty places lower than NU.
> 
> By comparison, NU loses to a Minny team in overtime and finished the
> season 18-13 with an RPI rank of 53.  Our signature wins were against
> Seton Hall (neutral), MSU at home, and Illinois on the road.
> 
> I agree that there is no requirement for the NCAA to extend invitations
> to 7 BT teams, but they still manage to do it regularly.  
> 
> So if Minny loses, what other team with a better RPI, better W-L record,
> and better set of signature wins is going to take our place?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Mar  9 14:47:01 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 15:47:01 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD31@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD31@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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No shortage of well-qualified NIT teams in the B1G this season. :)

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 3:36 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/03/michigan_state_overwhelm
s_iowa.html

So who is the #7 BT team invited to the dance?

Iowa beat an Illinois team who just fired their coach and finishes the season 17-16 with an RPI rank of 126.  So I don't think it will be Iowa.

Minny has a shot if they beat UoM today.  That will give them a 20-13 record with signature wins against Illinois at home, Indiana on the road, and Michigan (neutral).  Their RPI before tonight's game ranks 84th.

But let's assume that they lose to UoM.

What happens then?

Minny ends the season 19-14 with an RPI twenty places lower than NU.

By comparison, NU loses to a Minny team in overtime and finished the season 18-13 with an RPI rank of 53.  Our signature wins were against Seton Hall (neutral), MSU at home, and Illinois on the road.

I agree that there is no requirement for the NCAA to extend invitations to 7 BT teams, but they still manage to do it regularly.

So if Minny loses, what other team with a better RPI, better W-L record, and better set of signature wins is going to take our place?

Jeff



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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Fri Mar  9 15:26:52 2012
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 21:26:52 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway
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Actually, the Big Ten has only received 7 bids twice in the last 10 seasons. Yes, Minny can still get the automatic bid, but otherwise it's not even close to a given. If NU somehow backs into a bid, it will be because our overall resume is better than those of Seton Hall or Mississippi State or Oregon or a bunch of other bubble teams who lost early in their conference tourneys. The Hawkeyes and Gophers will never get an at-large bid this year, and the Cats wouldn't be compared to them in the committee room.

Eric West
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Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/03/michigan_state_overwhelm
s_iowa.html

So who is the #7 BT team invited to the dance?

Iowa beat an Illinois team who just fired their coach and finishes the season 17-16 with an RPI rank of 126.  So I don't think it will be Iowa.

Minny has a shot if they beat UoM today.  That will give them a 20-13 record with signature wins against Illinois at home, Indiana on the road, and Michigan (neutral).  Their RPI before tonight's game ranks 84th.

But let's assume that they lose to UoM.

What happens then?

Minny ends the season 19-14 with an RPI twenty places lower than NU.

By comparison, NU loses to a Minny team in overtime and finished the season 18-13 with an RPI rank of 53.  Our signature wins were against Seton Hall (neutral), MSU at home, and Illinois on the road.

I agree that there is no requirement for the NCAA to extend invitations to 7 BT teams, but they still manage to do it regularly.  

So if Minny loses, what other team with a better RPI, better W-L record, and better set of signature wins is going to take our place?

Jeff



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From scottzel at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 16:06:34 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:06:34 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway
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OK, call me crazy, but I have an intuition. IF things play out OK this
weekend and there are sufficient slots available (obviously a big if), I
think NU has a decent shot at one of the last spots for a play-in game. It
still counts as making the tourney, you know. I think the committee, which
has to have pressure from the networks, will want an interesting marquee
game for Tuesday night play-ins. An NU team (who can provide the RPI for
justification) playing in its first-ever NCAAs, a Big Ten rep and the
Chicago market to boot -- seems like a big story that would be
irresistable. I think if it comes down to NU or a mid-major that is fairly
comparable, NU goes.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Eric C West <e-west at northwestern.edu> wrote:

> Actually, the Big Ten has only received 7 bids twice in the last 10
> seasons. Yes, Minny can still get the automatic bid, but otherwise it's not
> even close to a given. If NU somehow backs into a bid, it will be because
> our overall resume is better than those of Seton Hall or Mississippi State
> or Oregon or a bunch of other bubble teams who lost early in their
> conference tourneys. The Hawkeyes and Gophers will never get an at-large
> bid this year, and the Cats wouldn't be compared to them in the committee
> room.
>
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 2:36 PM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway
>
> http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/03/michigan_state_overwhelm
> s_iowa.html<http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/03/michigan_state_overwhelms_iowa.html>
>
> So who is the #7 BT team invited to the dance?
>
> Iowa beat an Illinois team who just fired their coach and finishes the
> season 17-16 with an RPI rank of 126.  So I don't think it will be Iowa.
>
> Minny has a shot if they beat UoM today.  That will give them a 20-13
> record with signature wins against Illinois at home, Indiana on the road,
> and Michigan (neutral).  Their RPI before tonight's game ranks 84th.
>
> But let's assume that they lose to UoM.
>
> What happens then?
>
> Minny ends the season 19-14 with an RPI twenty places lower than NU.
>
> By comparison, NU loses to a Minny team in overtime and finished the
> season 18-13 with an RPI rank of 53.  Our signature wins were against Seton
> Hall (neutral), MSU at home, and Illinois on the road.
>
> I agree that there is no requirement for the NCAA to extend invitations to
> 7 BT teams, but they still manage to do it regularly.
>
> So if Minny loses, what other team with a better RPI, better W-L record,
> and better set of signature wins is going to take our place?
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 16:13:00 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 22:13:00 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway
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I would think for all the reasons Scott mentioned The Committee would "want" to put us in if they can point to any justification

That doesn't mean we shouldn't view such a happening as charity.  I would certainly "take" it, even if I would feel it wasn't fair

Harry
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway

OK, call me crazy, but I have an intuition. IF things play out OK this
weekend and there are sufficient slots available (obviously a big if), I
think NU has a decent shot at one of the last spots for a play-in game. It
still counts as making the tourney, you know. I think the committee, which
has to have pressure from the networks, will want an interesting marquee
game for Tuesday night play-ins. An NU team (who can provide the RPI for
justification) playing in its first-ever NCAAs, a Big Ten rep and the
Chicago market to boot -- seems like a big story that would be
irresistable. I think if it comes down to NU or a mid-major that is fairly
comparable, NU goes.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Eric C West <e-west at northwestern.edu> wrote:

> Actually, the Big Ten has only received 7 bids twice in the last 10
> seasons. Yes, Minny can still get the automatic bid, but otherwise it's not
> even close to a given. If NU somehow backs into a bid, it will be because
> our overall resume is better than those of Seton Hall or Mississippi State
> or Oregon or a bunch of other bubble teams who lost early in their
> conference tourneys. The Hawkeyes and Gophers will never get an at-large
> bid this year, and the Cats wouldn't be compared to them in the committee
> room.
>
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 2:36 PM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway
>
> http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/03/michigan_state_overwhelm
> s_iowa.html<http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/03/michigan_state_overwhelms_iowa.html>
>
> So who is the #7 BT team invited to the dance?
>
> Iowa beat an Illinois team who just fired their coach and finishes the
> season 17-16 with an RPI rank of 126.  So I don't think it will be Iowa.
>
> Minny has a shot if they beat UoM today.  That will give them a 20-13
> record with signature wins against Illinois at home, Indiana on the road,
> and Michigan (neutral).  Their RPI before tonight's game ranks 84th.
>
> But let's assume that they lose to UoM.
>
> What happens then?
>
> Minny ends the season 19-14 with an RPI twenty places lower than NU.
>
> By comparison, NU loses to a Minny team in overtime and finished the
> season 18-13 with an RPI rank of 53.  Our signature wins were against Seton
> Hall (neutral), MSU at home, and Illinois on the road.
>
> I agree that there is no requirement for the NCAA to extend invitations to
> 7 BT teams, but they still manage to do it regularly.
>
> So if Minny loses, what other team with a better RPI, better W-L record,
> and better set of signature wins is going to take our place?
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 16:38:04 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 22:38:04 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway
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We need a lot of breaks, in the form of losses by other "bubble" teams, and also a paucity of upsets in the conference tournaments.  Then maybe we can sneak into Dayton.  

The parallel is my other football passion--the J-E-T-S, who "backed into" the AFC Playoffs 2 years ago, and then went all the way to the AFC Championship.

Believe me, I enjoyed every moment of that run, and did not feel guilty or unworthy--and I know all about guilt--I'm Jewish.:-)

So if somehow this ends up a "near-death" experience, not the heart-stabbing one I now regard it as, we should take it as a karmic dividend for all of our suffering.  

Life is not fair, Harry--especially if NU is your alma mater, as we all know too well and as Darren Rovell memorialized today in verse.  I don't want fair at this point.  I admit it--I want in.  

Thus, tonight my chant is "Go Big Blue"--for starters.  

Paul Levinson
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway

I would think for all the reasons Scott mentioned The Committee would "want" to put us in if they can point to any justification

That doesn't mean we shouldn't view such a happening as charity.  I would certainly "take" it, even if I would feel it wasn't fair

Harry
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Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:06:34 
To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway

OK, call me crazy, but I have an intuition. IF things play out OK this
weekend and there are sufficient slots available (obviously a big if), I
think NU has a decent shot at one of the last spots for a play-in game. It
still counts as making the tourney, you know. I think the committee, which
has to have pressure from the networks, will want an interesting marquee
game for Tuesday night play-ins. An NU team (who can provide the RPI for
justification) playing in its first-ever NCAAs, a Big Ten rep and the
Chicago market to boot -- seems like a big story that would be
irresistable. I think if it comes down to NU or a mid-major that is fairly
comparable, NU goes.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Eric C West <e-west at northwestern.edu> wrote:

> Actually, the Big Ten has only received 7 bids twice in the last 10
> seasons. Yes, Minny can still get the automatic bid, but otherwise it's not
> even close to a given. If NU somehow backs into a bid, it will be because
> our overall resume is better than those of Seton Hall or Mississippi State
> or Oregon or a bunch of other bubble teams who lost early in their
> conference tourneys. The Hawkeyes and Gophers will never get an at-large
> bid this year, and the Cats wouldn't be compared to them in the committee
> room.
>
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 2:36 PM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway
>
> http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/03/michigan_state_overwhelm
> s_iowa.html<http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/03/michigan_state_overwhelms_iowa.html>
>
> So who is the #7 BT team invited to the dance?
>
> Iowa beat an Illinois team who just fired their coach and finishes the
> season 17-16 with an RPI rank of 126.  So I don't think it will be Iowa.
>
> Minny has a shot if they beat UoM today.  That will give them a 20-13
> record with signature wins against Illinois at home, Indiana on the road,
> and Michigan (neutral).  Their RPI before tonight's game ranks 84th.
>
> But let's assume that they lose to UoM.
>
> What happens then?
>
> Minny ends the season 19-14 with an RPI twenty places lower than NU.
>
> By comparison, NU loses to a Minny team in overtime and finished the
> season 18-13 with an RPI rank of 53.  Our signature wins were against Seton
> Hall (neutral), MSU at home, and Illinois on the road.
>
> I agree that there is no requirement for the NCAA to extend invitations to
> 7 BT teams, but they still manage to do it regularly.
>
> So if Minny loses, what other team with a better RPI, better W-L record,
> and better set of signature wins is going to take our place?
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
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From martinitis at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 16:57:11 2012
From: martinitis at aol.com (Louis Martinaitis)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 14:57:11 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] BTW
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I was at all 4 games last nite, and I would  be remiss not to give a shout out to the 350 students that bussed down to indy in support of the Wildcats.They were loud and supportive. Definitely a presence and indeed the loudest  vocal support of any school there, other than the Indiana home team (and in my mind that includes Purdue). 

You all would have been very proud.

Louis Martinaitis



On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:36 PM, "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

> http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/03/michigan_state_overwhelm
> s_iowa.html
> 
> So who is the #7 BT team invited to the dance?
> 
> Iowa beat an Illinois team who just fired their coach and finishes the
> season 17-16 with an RPI rank of 126.  So I don't think it will be Iowa.
> 
> Minny has a shot if they beat UoM today.  That will give them a 20-13
> record with signature wins against Illinois at home, Indiana on the
> road, and Michigan (neutral).  Their RPI before tonight's game ranks
> 84th.
> 
> But let's assume that they lose to UoM.
> 
> What happens then?
> 
> Minny ends the season 19-14 with an RPI twenty places lower than NU.
> 
> By comparison, NU loses to a Minny team in overtime and finished the
> season 18-13 with an RPI rank of 53.  Our signature wins were against
> Seton Hall (neutral), MSU at home, and Illinois on the road.
> 
> I agree that there is no requirement for the NCAA to extend invitations
> to 7 BT teams, but they still manage to do it regularly.  
> 
> So if Minny loses, what other team with a better RPI, better W-L record,
> and better set of signature wins is going to take our place?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 17:25:22 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 23:25:22 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] BTW
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I could hear them on TV.
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Subject: [NU Sports] BTW

I was at all 4 games last nite, and I would  be remiss not to give a shout out to the 350 students that bussed down to indy in support of the Wildcats.They were loud and supportive. Definitely a presence and indeed the loudest  vocal support of any school there, other than the Indiana home team (and in my mind that includes Purdue). 

You all would have been very proud.

Louis Martinaitis



On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:36 PM, "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

> http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/03/michigan_state_overwhelm
> s_iowa.html
> 
> So who is the #7 BT team invited to the dance?
> 
> Iowa beat an Illinois team who just fired their coach and finishes the
> season 17-16 with an RPI rank of 126.  So I don't think it will be Iowa.
> 
> Minny has a shot if they beat UoM today.  That will give them a 20-13
> record with signature wins against Illinois at home, Indiana on the
> road, and Michigan (neutral).  Their RPI before tonight's game ranks
> 84th.
> 
> But let's assume that they lose to UoM.
> 
> What happens then?
> 
> Minny ends the season 19-14 with an RPI twenty places lower than NU.
> 
> By comparison, NU loses to a Minny team in overtime and finished the
> season 18-13 with an RPI rank of 53.  Our signature wins were against
> Seton Hall (neutral), MSU at home, and Illinois on the road.
> 
> I agree that there is no requirement for the NCAA to extend invitations
> to 7 BT teams, but they still manage to do it regularly.  
> 
> So if Minny loses, what other team with a better RPI, better W-L record,
> and better set of signature wins is going to take our place?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Mar  9 18:50:16 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:50:16 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway
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Eric,
 
Thanks for the correction.
 
That will teach me to rely on an article rather than checking the facts.
 
My mea culpa is to list the stats for the last three #7 BT invite teams for comparison.
 
2011 PSU 19-13 9-9 BT RPI 42 (big run in the BT tourney) lost in the first round
2009 Wisky 18-12 10-8 BT RPI 45 (lost first BT tourney game to OSU) made it to the second round
1999 Purdue 19-12 7-9 BT RPI 25 (lost first BT tourney game to UoM) made it to sweet 16
 
Minny giving UoM all they can handle.
 
Jeff

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Eric C West
Sent: Fri 3/9/2012 4:26 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway



Actually, the Big Ten has only received 7 bids twice in the last 10 seasons. Yes, Minny can still get the automatic bid, but otherwise it's not even close to a given. If NU somehow backs into a bid, it will be because our overall resume is better than those of Seton Hall or Mississippi State or Oregon or a bunch of other bubble teams who lost early in their conference tourneys. The Hawkeyes and Gophers will never get an at-large bid this year, and the Cats wouldn't be compared to them in the committee room.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


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Subject: [NU Sports] MSU drubs Ioway

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2012/03/michigan_state_overwhelm
s_iowa.html

So who is the #7 BT team invited to the dance?

Iowa beat an Illinois team who just fired their coach and finishes the season 17-16 with an RPI rank of 126.  So I don't think it will be Iowa.

Minny has a shot if they beat UoM today.  That will give them a 20-13 record with signature wins against Illinois at home, Indiana on the road, and Michigan (neutral).  Their RPI before tonight's game ranks 84th.

But let's assume that they lose to UoM.

What happens then?

Minny ends the season 19-14 with an RPI twenty places lower than NU.

By comparison, NU loses to a Minny team in overtime and finished the season 18-13 with an RPI rank of 53.  Our signature wins were against Seton Hall (neutral), MSU at home, and Illinois on the road.

I agree that there is no requirement for the NCAA to extend invitations to 7 BT teams, but they still manage to do it regularly. 

So if Minny loses, what other team with a better RPI, better W-L record, and better set of signature wins is going to take our place?

Jeff



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 19:18:27 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:18:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Not that it helps us at all ...
Message-ID: <1331342307.62977.YahooMailNeo@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... but Minny is 52 seconds away from beating Michigan, too.

Tubby Smith is just one of those coaches who knows how to work the final few minutes of a tournament game.

Still smarts ...

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 19:33:06 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:33:06 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Not that it helps us at all ...
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Oh yeah? They're in OT now!



On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... but Minny is 52 seconds away from beating Michigan, too.
> 
> Tubby Smith is just one of those coaches who knows how to work the final few minutes of a tournament game.
> 
> Still smarts ...
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>  
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 19:35:04 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:35:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Not that it helps us at all ...
In-Reply-To: <742546D5-5239-4CD1-9FD7-1AC54306D32E@yahoo.com>
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Yeah - I've just seen the last 3 minutes or so of the game, but these refs are terrible. Just awful.

Michigan just hit a big 3 to start OT, so that brings back bad memories as well.

This has just been a gut-wrenching season. I'm drained.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: "inaugurationbook at yahoo.com" <inaugurationbook at yahoo.com>
To: NU Sports List <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Not that it helps us at all ...
 
Oh yeah? They're in OT now!



On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... but Minny is 52 seconds away from beating Michigan, too.
> 
> Tubby Smith is just one of those coaches who knows how to work the final few minutes of a tournament game.
> 
> Still smarts ...
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>? 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 19:50:34 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 01:50:34 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Not that it helps us at all ...
In-Reply-To: <742546D5-5239-4CD1-9FD7-1AC54306D32E@yahoo.com>
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Michigan pulled it out--keeping hope alive.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Not that it helps us at all ...

Oh yeah? They're in OT now!



On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... but Minny is 52 seconds away from beating Michigan, too.
> 
> Tubby Smith is just one of those coaches who knows how to work the final few minutes of a tournament game.
> 
> Still smarts ...
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>  
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
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From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Mar  9 19:51:54 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 19:51:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Not that it helps us at all ...
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Message-ID: <20120310015154.98E75656AD@romaine.tssi.com>

> Michigan pulled it out--keeping hope alive.

Michigan outplayed Minnesota in overtime, especially in the first
minute, which looked a lot like our first minute yesterday.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 19:53:27 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (Stephen Truog)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:53:27 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Not that it helps us at all ...
In-Reply-To: <623469916-1331344219-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-357196475-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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Happy to jinx the Gophers - darn vermin!

STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com


On Mar 9, 2012, at 6:50 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Michigan pulled it out--keeping hope alive.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:33:06 
> To: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Not that it helps us at all ...
> 
> Oh yeah? They're in OT now!
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> ... but Minny is 52 seconds away from beating Michigan, too.
>> 
>> Tubby Smith is just one of those coaches who knows how to work the final few minutes of a tournament game.
>> 
>> Still smarts ...
>> 
>> GO CATS!!!
>> -SjT
>> 
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
>> ________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 20:02:42 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 18:02:42 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Not that it helps us at all ...
In-Reply-To: <4EE4C58A-91FC-4B4D-80A1-47584D5AF6F5@yahoo.com>
References: <1331342307.62977.YahooMailNeo@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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This is good news. We needed Gophers gone so that our bubble spot remains
open.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Stephen Truog <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Happy to jinx the Gophers - darn vermin!
>
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2012, at 6:50 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Michigan pulled it out--keeping hope alive.
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com
> > Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> > Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:33:06
> > To: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Not that it helps us at all ...
> >
> > Oh yeah? They're in OT now!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <
> sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> ... but Minny is 52 seconds away from beating Michigan, too.
> >>
> >> Tubby Smith is just one of those coaches who knows how to work the
> final few minutes of a tournament game.
> >>
> >> Still smarts ...
> >>
> >> GO CATS!!!
> >> -SjT
> >>
> >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> >> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> >> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> >> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> >> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> >> ________________________________
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nwu-sports site list
> >> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>
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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Fri Mar  9 20:16:56 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 21:16:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tennessee
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvibuBmNOnzrfVPDdn+Zzk+qseS2c6Pve3V12Reb0k3jFw@mail.gmail.com>
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This game is huge for us.  I believe Lunardi has us and Tenn as the first 2 teams out at the moment.  Palm still has us in.  With NC St winning, it would be huge for us to see Tennessee go down.



On Mar 9, 2012, at 9:02 PM, "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is good news. We needed Gophers gone so that our bubble spot remains
> open.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Stephen Truog <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Happy to jinx the Gophers - darn vermin!
>> 
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 9, 2012, at 6:50 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Michigan pulled it out--keeping hope alive.
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com
>>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>>> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:33:06
>>> To: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Not that it helps us at all ...
>>> 
>>> Oh yeah? They're in OT now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> ... but Minny is 52 seconds away from beating Michigan, too.
>>>> 
>>>> Tubby Smith is just one of those coaches who knows how to work the
>> final few minutes of a tournament game.
>>>> 
>>>> Still smarts ...
>>>> 
>>>> GO CATS!!!
>>>> -SjT
>>>> 
>>>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>>>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>>>> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>>>> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nwu-sports site list
>>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 20:36:35 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 02:36:35 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Tennessee
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You gotta love us Purple nut jobs--including Yours Truly.  Last night I thought the world had ended--and slept terribly.  

Now, we are analyzing Bracketology again, as if we were all back at NU studying at the Library during Finals Week.  You just can't keep a good 'Cat down.  We never give up!  I was rooting so damn hard for Michigan before--keepin' hope alive.  We are one sick--and passionate--bunch.  As Darren Rovell said, it's harder to be an NU fan--but all of us are willing to pay any price, bear any burden--to go Dancin' and to win a bowl game.  So hang in troops, maybe the Almighty is testing us to see if we are worthy of entering The Promised Land (gotta use that phrase--I'm listening to Spronsteen Live at the Apollo on Sirius.).  We ain't dead yet--just on life support.
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Subject: [NU Sports] Tennessee

This game is huge for us.  I believe Lunardi has us and Tenn as the first 2 teams out at the moment.  Palm still has us in.  With NC St winning, it would be huge for us to see Tennessee go down.



On Mar 9, 2012, at 9:02 PM, "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is good news. We needed Gophers gone so that our bubble spot remains
> open.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Stephen Truog <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Happy to jinx the Gophers - darn vermin!
>> 
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 9, 2012, at 6:50 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Michigan pulled it out--keeping hope alive.
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com
>>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>>> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 17:33:06
>>> To: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Not that it helps us at all ...
>>> 
>>> Oh yeah? They're in OT now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> ... but Minny is 52 seconds away from beating Michigan, too.
>>>> 
>>>> Tubby Smith is just one of those coaches who knows how to work the
>> final few minutes of a tournament game.
>>>> 
>>>> Still smarts ...
>>>> 
>>>> GO CATS!!!
>>>> -SjT
>>>> 
>>>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>>>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>>>> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>>>> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nwu-sports site list
>>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Mar  9 21:11:12 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 03:11:12 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Tennessee
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The Almighty--er Old Miss--delivered.  The Vols fall in OT 77-72.  Keep hope alive.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: [NU Sports] Tennessee

This game is huge for us.  I believe Lunardi has us and Tenn as the first 2 teams out at the moment.  Palm still has us in.  With NC St winning, it would be huge for us to see Tennessee go down.



On Mar 9, 2012, at 9:02 PM, "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is good news. We needed Gophers gone so that our bubble spot remains
> open.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 5:53 PM, Stephen Truog <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Happy to jinx the Gophers - darn vermin!
>> 
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 9, 2012, at 6:50 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Michigan pulled it out--keeping hope alive.
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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>>> 
>>> Oh yeah? They're in OT now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2012, at 5:18 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> ... but Minny is 52 seconds away from beating Michigan, too.
>>>> 
>>>> Tubby Smith is just one of those coaches who knows how to work the
>> final few minutes of a tournament game.
>>>> 
>>>> Still smarts ...
>>>> 
>>>> GO CATS!!!
>>>> -SjT
>>>> 
>>>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Mar  9 21:48:06 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 22:48:06 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
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If we get in, shake your head in dismay that such a team as ours, 1 - 10 
against top 50 ranked teams and 7th seed in the league, can make it to 
post-season.  That only points out how low the standards have become in the 
NCAA.  We do not deserve a bid and should not receive one.  Let's get in the 
right way - by WINNING. 


From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  9 23:47:51 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 21:47:51 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
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I'll take the bait. In the old days, prior to 1975, you had to win your conference to get into the tournament. In fact, when the tournament began in 1939, it was subtitled "the tournament of champions."

Nobody called it the Big Dance then. The tournament wasn't big at all, at least with reference to the number of teams that got in. 

Football was the same way. When I was a kid, there were exactly five bowl games for major colleges. The Gator Bowl took place shortly before Jan. 1st, then we had the Sugar, Orange, Cotton and Rose Bowl games on New Year's Day. That's it - only ten schools played bowl games each year.

Football is not going back, and neither is basketball. Dennis is right: the standards for getting into bowl games and into the NCAA tournament have indeed been lowered. 

Sure, we'd like our first NCAA bid to be which has been richly earned. But, speaking reality rather than fantasy, most of us will take a tournament invitation in this lifetime anyway we can get it. 

Jim B. 



On Mar 9, 2012, at 7:48 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

> If we get in, shake your head in dismay that such a team as ours, 1 - 10 against top 50 ranked teams and 7th seed in the league, can make it to post-season.  That only points out how low the standards have become in the NCAA.  We do not deserve a bid and should not receive one.  Let's get in the right way - by WINNING. 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Mar 10 06:36:30 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 07:36:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
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> Sure, we'd like our first NCAA bid to be which has been richly earned. 
> But, speaking reality rather than fantasy, most of us will take a 
> tournament invitation in this lifetime anyway we can get it.

I have to agree that, to this point, the concept of the Northwestern 
University basketball team winning its way into the NCAA tournament remains 
a fantasy.  But I still prefer to wait for the right way to get an 
invitation - by earning it. 


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Mar 10 07:34:41 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 08:34:41 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
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Not sure I understand the "earning it" nature of your concern. 

If NU gets an invite, it will be the "right way" - because their body of work was best available at that slot in the opinion of the selection committee.

If NU does get an invite, it will likely be one the last ones issued.    That means that NU will have benefited from an expanded field. It also means that 67 or so teams were considered better than NU.

So what. 

There have been plenty of examples of "last in" teams that made great tourney runs. You trying to say they didn't deserve that opportunity because their season, like NU's, was somehow flawed?

We are all disappointed with this team's failure to seal the deal. Their game against Minny was terrible. But Minny made UoM look terrible for 38 minutes or so too. Tubby Smith is a good coach and showed why at the BT tourney. 

Carmody probably didn't do as much as he could have to teach this team how to win close games, but if they get an invite it will be because of what they DID accomplish with the coach and the players they have - not what they failed to do. 

If they end up with an invite to the NIT, that's fine too.  It will give them another opportunity to get better at closing out close games which can only help next year's starters. 

In either case, they clearly earned whatever post season opportunity  they get by playing better than the teams that are staying home. 

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 10, 2012, at 7:27 AM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

>> Sure, we'd like our first NCAA bid to be which has been richly earned. But, speaking reality rather than fantasy, most of us will take a tournament invitation in this lifetime anyway we can get it.
> 
> I have to agree that, to this point, the concept of the Northwestern University basketball team winning its way into the NCAA tournament remains a fantasy.  But I still prefer to wait for the right way to get an invitation - by earning it. 
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Mar 10 07:32:26 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 08:32:26 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Izzo rails against Weber firing
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C1325598@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.freep.com/article/20120309/SPORTS07/120309048/Tom-Izzo-rails-against-Illinois-firing-Bruce-Weber


From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 10 11:07:21 2012
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 09:07:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
Message-ID: <1331399241.33932.YahooMailMobile@web164504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

It&#39;s painful for me to say this, but I agree. It would&#39;ve been one thing had they beaten Minnesota Thursday. They might not even have had to do the play-in game - so we could say they&#39;d have made it even in a field of 64, before the tourney was artificially inflated. But backing into a play-in game after tanking it in Indy...I&#39;m desperate for a tourney bid, but they just don&#39;t deserve it.

Ben

From aaronsament at gmail.com  Sat Mar 10 12:10:31 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:10:31 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
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CBS just posted Palm's latest projections:

Last 4 in: Colo St, Ole Miss, N'western, USF. 1st 4 out: Seton Hall, Miami, Iona, Drexel http://t.co/46akiGvO

Lunardi has really had a change of heart overnight and dropped us far down.  Not sure what Iona did yesterday during their day off to jump us in his view or why he moved Miami ahead of us last night after their loss.

I still can't see Seton Hall making the tournament over us, but the consensus seems to be that the Big East is getting 9 or 10 in.  I also see little justification for West Virginia as a lock when their resume is really not that different than ours...too bad the committee only factors in their 10 point loss to Kent St and not their defeat at home to Div 2 Northern KY...


On Mar 10, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> It&#39;s painful for me to say this, but I agree. It would&#39;ve been one thing had they beaten Minnesota Thursday. They might not even have had to do the play-in game - so we could say they&#39;d have made it even in a field of 64, before the tourney was artificially inflated. But backing into a play-in game after tanking it in Indy...I&#39;m desperate for a tourney bid, but they just don&#39;t deserve it.
> 
> Ben
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Mar 10 12:27:02 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:27:02 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
References: <1331399241.33932.YahooMailMobile@web164504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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And had they had come out on top of those winnable five games in the regular season and gone 13 - 5, the tournament game wouldn't have mattered, win or lose.  We would be in and deserve to be.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ben Adler 
  To: Dennis W. Brandt ; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
  Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 12:07 PM
  Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The Big Dance


        It's painful for me to say this, but I agree. It would've been one thing had they beaten Minnesota Thursday. They might not even have had to do the play-in game - so we could say they'd have made it even in a field of 64, before the tourney was artificially inflated. But backing into a play-in game after tanking it in Indy...I'm desperate for a tourney bid, but they just don't deserve it.

        Ben 




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        If we get in, shake your head in dismay that such a team as ours, 1 - 10 against top 50 ranked teams and 7th seed in the league, can make it to post-season.  That only points out how low the standards have become in the NCAA.  We do not deserve a bid and should not receive one.  Let's get in the right way - by WINNING. 
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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Sat Mar 10 12:33:39 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 13:33:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
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You do realize that last year's National Champion was the 9th seed in their
league?

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 10:48 PM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

> If we get in, shake your head in dismay that such a team as ours, 1 - 10
> against top 50 ranked teams and 7th seed in the league, can make it to
> post-season.  That only points out how low the standards have become in the
> NCAA.  We do not deserve a bid and should not receive one.  Let's get in
> the right way - by WINNING.
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Mar 10 13:17:08 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 14:17:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bracket Hopes
Message-ID: <8CECD09856F3647-187C-6E49@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com>



Another reason to hope that Jerry Palm has it right, and that Joe Lunardi doesn't--when it comes to predicting 'Cats in a "play-in" game at Dayton.  President Obama is taking British Prime Minister Cameron to Dayton for the games:  http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2012/story/_/id/7663058/barack-obama-take-david-cameron-ncaa-tournament-game
 
If somehow we get in, think of the publicity angles--here's my Top 10:  
 
1) 'Cats first appearance ever at the Dance.  Prez likes to dance, but Mrs. Prez (Michelle) really likes to boogie.
2) President is from Chicago.
3) President's brother-in-law, Craig Robinson, used to coach at NU, and played at Princeton, Carmody's prior gig.
4) Bergan Evans, the late famous Professor at NU of, what else, "English"..
5) Susan Page, former Editor of DAILY NORHWESTERN (when I worked briefly writing sports for the DAILY)--Chief White House Correspondent for USA Today, covering the Prez daily.
6) Prez likes Wilbon (I presume).
7) PM Cameron, a graduate of Oxford, the "Northwestern of Great Britain".
8) 'Cats got in on the "bubble".  Prez currently on the "bubble", in terms of reelection prospects.
9) NU planning for big overhaul of athletic facilities.  Prez urging Congress to pass his "infrastructure" bill.
10) NU students wish Welsh-Ryan had the tradition of Cameron Indoor Stadium.  Well, now we would have the "real" Cameron indoors at our big game.  Top that one, Dookies!

OK, gang, now don't we all want to see NU "back in" to the Dance after all?

Paul Levinson


From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Mar 10 13:50:42 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 19:50:42 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
In-Reply-To: <1331399241.33932.YahooMailMobile@web164504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1331399241.33932.YahooMailMobile@web164504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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As Dennis once said,he's looking for NU to lose its virginity. And I will add  as messy as it might be ...

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 09:07:21 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The Big Dance

It&#39;s painful for me to say this, but I agree. It would&#39;ve been one thing had they beaten Minnesota Thursday. They might not even have had to do the play-in game - so we could say they&#39;d have made it even in a field of 64, before the tourney was artificially inflated. But backing into a play-in game after tanking it in Indy...I&#39;m desperate for a tourney bid, but they just don&#39;t deserve it.

Ben
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From yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sat Mar 10 15:00:42 2012
From: yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu (Evan Bradley)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 16:00:42 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] tourney selection process and NU
Message-ID: <CACBF6gTSrT7nYBD83bXknYdA+yN=vN6HwmH9LHj4WFWTAT6N6A@mail.gmail.com>

NU was mentioned in Nate Silver's (fivethirtyeight) post on
participating in a mock selection committee:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/11/sports/ncaabasketball/rpi-may-belong-outside-the-ncaa-tournament-bubble.html?_r=2&ref=sports

He doesn't say what he thinks about our prospects, but it's an
interesting take on the process.


From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Mar 10 20:34:57 2012
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 18:34:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NU and the Tourney
Message-ID: <1331433297.46006.YahooMailRC@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Even if you don't agree with the argument, it is a logical presentation of the 
Cats' case.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/03/10/northwestern-in-or-out-ncaa-tournament-bubble-watch/


On his radio interview,?Hoge also expects that Carmody will be back next year, 
primarily because of the inability to find an "upgrade" in a coach.? He compares 
our situation to that of Minnesota football when Glenn Mason was the coach.? 
Although Mason wasn't a world-beater, he did manage to get the Gophers to 
lower-level bowl games just about every year.? Since he's been fired, the 
program has dropped to the bottom of the Big Ten.? Hoge fears a similar 
situation here.

From aaronsament at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 14:48:14 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:48:14 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NU and the Tourney
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May be shocking but CBS just posted the final projections from Palm after the St Bonnie's upset and still has us in the last 4 teams in the tournament...



On Mar 10, 2012, at 9:34 PM, Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Even if you don't agree with the argument, it is a logical presentation of the 
> Cats' case.
> 
> http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/03/10/northwestern-in-or-out-ncaa-tournament-bubble-watch/
> 
> 
> On his radio interview, Hoge also expects that Carmody will be back next year, 
> primarily because of the inability to find an "upgrade" in a coach.  He compares 
> our situation to that of Minnesota football when Glenn Mason was the coach.  
> Although Mason wasn't a world-beater, he did manage to get the Gophers to 
> lower-level bowl games just about every year.  Since he's been fired, the 
> program has dropped to the bottom of the Big Ten.  Hoge fears a similar 
> situation here.
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sun Mar 11 14:51:15 2012
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:51:15 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
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All bets may be off as St. Bonaventure pushed its way in past Xavier.? If they squeak in I'll be happy, but how we lose to Minnesota in a spot like that puts them at a severe disadvantage to the Selection Committee,? So close...? Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron Ament &lt;aaronsament at gmail.com&gt;
To: Ben Adler &lt;whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com&gt;
Cc: Dennis W. Brandt &lt;tbng at comcast.net&gt;; nwu-sports &lt;nwu-sports at tssi.com&gt;
Sent: Sat, Mar 10, 2012 1:11 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The Big Dance




CBS just posted Palm's latest projections: 
 
Last 4 in: Colo St, Ole Miss, N'western, USF. 1st 4 out: Seton Hall, Miami,  
Iona, Drexel http://t.co/46akiGvO 
 
Lunardi has really had a change of heart overnight and dropped us far down.  Not  
sure what Iona did yesterday during their day off to jump us in his view or why  
he moved Miami ahead of us last night after their loss. 
 
I still can't see Seton Hall making the tournament over us, but the consensus  
seems to be that the Big East is getting 9 or 10 in.  I also see little  
justification for West Virginia as a lock when their resume is really not that  
different than ours...too bad the committee only factors in their 10 point loss  
to Kent St and not their defeat at home to Div 2 Northern KY... 
 
 
On Mar 10, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Ben Adler &lt;whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com&gt; wrote: 
 
&gt; It&#39;s painful for me to say this, but I agree. It would&#39;ve been one  
thing had they beaten Minnesota Thursday. They might not even have had to do the  
play-in game - so we could say they&#39;d have made it even in a field of 64,  
before the tourney was artificially inflated. But backing into a play-in game  
after tanking it in Indy...I&#39;m desperate for a tourney bid, but they just  
don&#39;t deserve it. 
&gt;  
&gt; Ben 
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From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 15:15:40 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:15:40 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
In-Reply-To: <4BFAEBEA-94FB-4B68-8CF7-C93C7FBB0A54@gmail.com>
References: <1331399241.33932.YahooMailMobile@web164504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Palm has us playing Cal in the 1st round. That would make for a pretty amazing bit of history, as our 1st bowl game (1949 Rose Bowl) was also against Cal. 

Jim B. 



On Mar 10, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:

> CBS just posted Palm's latest projections:
> 
> Last 4 in: Colo St, Ole Miss, N'western, USF. 1st 4 out: Seton Hall, Miami, Iona, Drexel http://t.co/46akiGvO
> 
> Lunardi has really had a change of heart overnight and dropped us far down.  Not sure what Iona did yesterday during their day off to jump us in his view or why he moved Miami ahead of us last night after their loss.
> 
> I still can't see Seton Hall making the tournament over us, but the consensus seems to be that the Big East is getting 9 or 10 in.  I also see little justification for West Virginia as a lock when their resume is really not that different than ours...too bad the committee only factors in their 10 point loss to Kent St and not their defeat at home to Div 2 Northern KY...
> 
> 
> On Mar 10, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> It&#39;s painful for me to say this, but I agree. It would&#39;ve been one thing had they beaten Minnesota Thursday. They might not even have had to do the play-in game - so we could say they&#39;d have made it even in a field of 64, before the tourney was artificially inflated. But backing into a play-in game after tanking it in Indy...I&#39;m desperate for a tourney bid, but they just don&#39;t deserve it.
>> 
>> Ben
>> _______________________________________________
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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 15:52:35 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:52:35 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
In-Reply-To: <70BEB68D-CDEB-4066-B88A-3B93012CC1B3@yahoo.com>
References: <1331399241.33932.YahooMailMobile@web164504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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I don't know if anyone else is watching the ESPN Bracketology show right now but Gottlieb just made a pretty strong case for Northwestern over Seton Hall and South Florida.   St Bonnie's really hurts...big question mark is how much weight the committee gives to Cobb's injury.  I do believe we'd likely be a lock if he was healthy all year...something they clearly factor in..question is how much...

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 11, 2012, at 4:15 PM, inaugurationbook at yahoo.com wrote:

> Palm has us playing Cal in the 1st round. That would make for a pretty amazing bit of history, as our 1st bowl game (1949 Rose Bowl) was also against Cal. 
> 
> Jim B. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 10, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> CBS just posted Palm's latest projections:
>> 
>> Last 4 in: Colo St, Ole Miss, N'western, USF. 1st 4 out: Seton Hall, Miami, Iona, Drexel http://t.co/46akiGvO
>> 
>> Lunardi has really had a change of heart overnight and dropped us far down.  Not sure what Iona did yesterday during their day off to jump us in his view or why he moved Miami ahead of us last night after their loss.
>> 
>> I still can't see Seton Hall making the tournament over us, but the consensus seems to be that the Big East is getting 9 or 10 in.  I also see little justification for West Virginia as a lock when their resume is really not that different than ours...too bad the committee only factors in their 10 point loss to Kent St and not their defeat at home to Div 2 Northern KY...
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 10, 2012, at 12:07 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It&#39;s painful for me to say this, but I agree. It would&#39;ve been one thing had they beaten Minnesota Thursday. They might not even have had to do the play-in game - so we could say they&#39;d have made it even in a field of 64, before the tourney was artificially inflated. But backing into a play-in game after tanking it in Indy...I&#39;m desperate for a tourney bid, but they just don&#39;t deserve it.
>>> 
>>> Ben
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Mar 11 15:55:15 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:55:15 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
Message-ID: <000001ccffc9$43b5d080$cb217180$@com>

There are those of you out there who think that if, for some unknown reason, Northwestern
gets an invite to play in the NCAA tournament, we should decline it?

Seriously?

Maybe we shouldn't participate in the Lacrosse Tournament (too easy) or the Fencing (same
reason)?

If a selection committee decides that NU is worthy to play in the play in game of the
tournament, then we go.

And those who don't think we should, can not watch the games on TV. I will.

rsl
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Mar 11 15:58:53 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:58:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
In-Reply-To: <8CECDD774323BF1-235C-1C556@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20120311205853.E5B6765093@romaine.tssi.com>

> All bets may be off as St. Bonaventure pushed its way in past Xavier.? If they squeak in I'll be happy, but how we lose to Minnesota in a spot like that puts them at a severe disadvantage to the Selection Committee,? So close...? Eric

According to ESPN, the selection committee chose 37 at-large teams yesterday,
although there could be additional at-large teams based on who wins today.

The Wall Street Journal has an interesting piece today on how golf chooses
its #1 player.  Luke Donald dropped out of the #1 slot in the latest 
rankings.  The story raises questions about how Donald got the #1 ranking
despite not having won a major, and also notes that Tiger Woods remained
the #1 player for 11 months, despite playing in only 12 tournaments in 
that time period, with only two top-10 finishes.  
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 15:59:02 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:59:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Dunno if it helps us out ...
Message-ID: <1331499542.18427.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... but this MSU/OSU Big Ten title game is outstanding basketball. Great plays, great runs and great excitement. This is the first time I've seen the Big Ten tourney capture the excitement and noise level of the Big East at MSU with UConn/Syracuse or the ACC in Greensboro with UNC/Duke. Great teams, great basketball and hopefully a great finish!

Hopefully it reminds the committee that the Big Ten *is* the top league in the nation this year -- and if you're looking at a 10th team from the Big East (especially one we beat) or a 7th team from the Big Ten, conference affiliation (and/or a head to head win) gets us over the hump.

Keep hoping ... but in the meantime, enjoying a great game of hoops.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Mar 11 16:00:46 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:00:46 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
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I haven't heard anyone suggest that. I have heard that there are those who think if we get a bid,it will not be for totally the right reasons

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:55:15 
To: 'NU Sports List'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....

There are those of you out there who think that if, for some unknown reason, Northwestern
gets an invite to play in the NCAA tournament, we should decline it?

Seriously?

Maybe we shouldn't participate in the Lacrosse Tournament (too easy) or the Fencing (same
reason)?

If a selection committee decides that NU is worthy to play in the play in game of the
tournament, then we go.

And those who don't think we should, can not watch the games on TV. I will.

rsl
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
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cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Mar 11 15:59:52 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:59:52 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
In-Reply-To: <000001ccffc9$43b5d080$cb217180$@com>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE76@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

For whatever this NU fan's two cents are worth, it would be preposterous to decline a bid.  I don't think a bid's coming and I don't think one is deserved, but I'd never say to decline one.  Whatever criteria the committee use, if the powers that be invite you to participate in the championship tournament that you've worked so hard to attain, you GO and don't look back.

----- Original Message -----
From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 04:55 PM
To: 'NU Sports List' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....

There are those of you out there who think that if, for some unknown reason, Northwestern
gets an invite to play in the NCAA tournament, we should decline it?

Seriously?

Maybe we shouldn't participate in the Lacrosse Tournament (too easy) or the Fencing (same
reason)?

If a selection committee decides that NU is worthy to play in the play in game of the
tournament, then we go.

And those who don't think we should, can not watch the games on TV. I will.

rsl
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sun Mar 11 16:08:44 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:08:44 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE76@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <000001ccffc9$43b5d080$cb217180$@com>
 <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE76@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu53QzxVAZZywUFThQOg7PtXNvriQ4xNheVib_hDR3BDUg@mail.gmail.com>

Someone mentioned in a tweet yesterday that you cannot decline a tourney
bid because it is run by the NCAA (this goes for the NIT now as well, the
tweet was in reference to Illinois going to the NIT).

I think many want NU to finally get in when they've really earned it, not
just when the field has been expanded and there is a really bad bubble.

Jonathan
On Mar 11, 2012 5:01 PM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
wrote:

> For whatever this NU fan's two cents are worth, it would be preposterous
> to decline a bid.  I don't think a bid's coming and I don't think one is
> deserved, but I'd never say to decline one.  Whatever criteria the
> committee use, if the powers that be invite you to participate in the
> championship tournament that you've worked so hard to attain, you GO and
> don't look back.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 04:55 PM
> To: 'NU Sports List' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
>
> There are those of you out there who think that if, for some unknown
> reason, Northwestern
> gets an invite to play in the NCAA tournament, we should decline it?
>
> Seriously?
>
> Maybe we shouldn't participate in the Lacrosse Tournament (too easy) or
> the Fencing (same
> reason)?
>
> If a selection committee decides that NU is worthy to play in the play in
> game of the
> tournament, then we go.
>
> And those who don't think we should, can not watch the games on TV. I will.
>
> rsl
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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> Computer Applications & Support Associates
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> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
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>
>
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Mar 11 16:17:43 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:17:43 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
In-Reply-To: <20120311205853.E5B6765093@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <8CECDD774323BF1-235C-1C556@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com>
 <20120311205853.E5B6765093@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <000001ccffcc$67271e90$35755bb0$@com>

I thought Golf ratings were based on total $$$ winnings.

Luke hasn't made a lot of loot so far this year.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:59 PM
To: Eric Kunkel
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The Big Dance

> All bets may be off as St. Bonaventure pushed its way in past Xavier.? 
> If they squeak in I'll be happy, but how we lose to Minnesota in a 
> spot like that puts them at a severe disadvantage to the Selection 
> Committee,? So close...? Eric

According to ESPN, the selection committee chose 37 at-large teams yesterday, although
there could be additional at-large teams based on who wins today.

The Wall Street Journal has an interesting piece today on how golf chooses its #1 player.
Luke Donald dropped out of the #1 slot in the latest rankings.  The story raises questions
about how Donald got the #1 ranking despite not having won a major, and also notes that
Tiger Woods remained the #1 player for 11 months, despite playing in only 12 tournaments
in that time period, with only two top-10 finishes.  
--
Mike Nolan

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Mar 11 16:20:55 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:20:55 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu53QzxVAZZywUFThQOg7PtXNvriQ4xNheVib_hDR3BDUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001ccffc9$43b5d080$cb217180$@com>
 <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE76@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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If we wait to so-called "earn it, many of may be watching from the hereafter.  I'll take a bid now, thank you.  Then, it's up to Carmody to prepare them--physically--and mentally--to take advantage of their good fortune, and to justify it--by winning a game or three.

PHL 


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:08:44 
To: Weinbaum, Willie<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....

Someone mentioned in a tweet yesterday that you cannot decline a tourney
bid because it is run by the NCAA (this goes for the NIT now as well, the
tweet was in reference to Illinois going to the NIT).

I think many want NU to finally get in when they've really earned it, not
just when the field has been expanded and there is a really bad bubble.

Jonathan
On Mar 11, 2012 5:01 PM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
wrote:

> For whatever this NU fan's two cents are worth, it would be preposterous
> to decline a bid.  I don't think a bid's coming and I don't think one is
> deserved, but I'd never say to decline one.  Whatever criteria the
> committee use, if the powers that be invite you to participate in the
> championship tournament that you've worked so hard to attain, you GO and
> don't look back.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 04:55 PM
> To: 'NU Sports List' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
>
> There are those of you out there who think that if, for some unknown
> reason, Northwestern
> gets an invite to play in the NCAA tournament, we should decline it?
>
> Seriously?
>
> Maybe we shouldn't participate in the Lacrosse Tournament (too easy) or
> the Fencing (same
> reason)?
>
> If a selection committee decides that NU is worthy to play in the play in
> game of the
> tournament, then we go.
>
> And those who don't think we should, can not watch the games on TV. I will.
>
> rsl
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
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From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 16:24:11 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:24:11 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU
Message-ID: <55E386A0-8AC8-46B5-BCDE-A9743477034F@yahoo.com>

Looks like MSU will win and get a number one seed. That can only help us, right?!



From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 16:24:29 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:24:29 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
In-Reply-To: <2117058117-1331500834-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2131626165-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <000001ccffc9$43b5d080$cb217180$@com>
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 <CAAxRJu53QzxVAZZywUFThQOg7PtXNvriQ4xNheVib_hDR3BDUg@mail.gmail.com>
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As in other years (but especially this year), NU is a much better team than many of those minor conference AQ teams. So if we get a bid, we accept it with pleasure.

Tom
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-----Original Message-----
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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:20:55 
To: Jonathan Hodges<j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Willie Weinbaum<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
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Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....

If we wait to so-called "earn it, many of may be watching from the hereafter.  I'll take a bid now, thank you.  Then, it's up to Carmody to prepare them--physically--and mentally--to take advantage of their good fortune, and to justify it--by winning a game or three.

PHL 


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-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:08:44 
To: Weinbaum, Willie<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....

Someone mentioned in a tweet yesterday that you cannot decline a tourney
bid because it is run by the NCAA (this goes for the NIT now as well, the
tweet was in reference to Illinois going to the NIT).

I think many want NU to finally get in when they've really earned it, not
just when the field has been expanded and there is a really bad bubble.

Jonathan
On Mar 11, 2012 5:01 PM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
wrote:

> For whatever this NU fan's two cents are worth, it would be preposterous
> to decline a bid.  I don't think a bid's coming and I don't think one is
> deserved, but I'd never say to decline one.  Whatever criteria the
> committee use, if the powers that be invite you to participate in the
> championship tournament that you've worked so hard to attain, you GO and
> don't look back.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 04:55 PM
> To: 'NU Sports List' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
>
> There are those of you out there who think that if, for some unknown
> reason, Northwestern
> gets an invite to play in the NCAA tournament, we should decline it?
>
> Seriously?
>
> Maybe we shouldn't participate in the Lacrosse Tournament (too easy) or
> the Fencing (same
> reason)?
>
> If a selection committee decides that NU is worthy to play in the play in
> game of the
> tournament, then we go.
>
> And those who don't think we should, can not watch the games on TV. I will.
>
> rsl
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Mar 11 16:29:34 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:29:34 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu53QzxVAZZywUFThQOg7PtXNvriQ4xNheVib_hDR3BDUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001ccffc9$43b5d080$cb217180$@com>
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Michigan State is closing in on a win with 12.z to go.  Since they were our one big "W", does an MSU win help us at all--even a tiny bit--since it should get them a No.1 seed?  Or am I just fooling myself?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:08:44 
To: Weinbaum, Willie<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....

Someone mentioned in a tweet yesterday that you cannot decline a tourney
bid because it is run by the NCAA (this goes for the NIT now as well, the
tweet was in reference to Illinois going to the NIT).

I think many want NU to finally get in when they've really earned it, not
just when the field has been expanded and there is a really bad bubble.

Jonathan
On Mar 11, 2012 5:01 PM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
wrote:

> For whatever this NU fan's two cents are worth, it would be preposterous
> to decline a bid.  I don't think a bid's coming and I don't think one is
> deserved, but I'd never say to decline one.  Whatever criteria the
> committee use, if the powers that be invite you to participate in the
> championship tournament that you've worked so hard to attain, you GO and
> don't look back.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 04:55 PM
> To: 'NU Sports List' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
>
> There are those of you out there who think that if, for some unknown
> reason, Northwestern
> gets an invite to play in the NCAA tournament, we should decline it?
>
> Seriously?
>
> Maybe we shouldn't participate in the Lacrosse Tournament (too easy) or
> the Fencing (same
> reason)?
>
> If a selection committee decides that NU is worthy to play in the play in
> game of the
> tournament, then we go.
>
> And those who don't think we should, can not watch the games on TV. I will.
>
> rsl
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
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From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 16:31:27 2012
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 14:31:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
Message-ID: <1331501487.42653.YahooMailMobile@web164504.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

As one of the people who don&#39;t believe te Cats deserve a bid, I never said they shouldn&#39;t accept a bid. A good debate tactic to suggest otherwise, though...

For the record, if they make it, I will most likely call in sick to work to watch the game, and root from the edge of my seat, hoping fervently that the Cats will prove they deserved the bid after all. 

From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Mar 11 16:37:56 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:37:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
In-Reply-To: <000001ccffcc$67271e90$35755bb0$@com>
Message-ID: <20120311213756.AC63865677@romaine.tssi.com>

> I thought Golf ratings were based on total $$$ winnings.

According to the WSJ, they're a weighted average of the players'
finishes in their last 13 tournaments, with additional weighting
thrown in for the majors and other important events.
 
> Luke hasn't made a lot of loot so far this year.

Would you trade bank accounts with him?  Me too.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Mar 11 16:40:20 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:40:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU
In-Reply-To: <55E386A0-8AC8-46B5-BCDE-A9743477034F@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120311214020.8F9A7656CE@romaine.tssi.com>

> Looks like MSU will win and get a number one seed. That can only help us, right?!

Might help our seeding, probably won't affect whether we get in or not,
if the 37 at-large teams were chosen yesterday, unless we really are
the 'last team in'.  
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Mar 11 16:42:23 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:42:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu53QzxVAZZywUFThQOg7PtXNvriQ4xNheVib_hDR3BDUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120311214223.C2711656CD@romaine.tssi.com>

> I think many want NU to finally get in when they've really earned it, not
> just when the field has been expanded and there is a really bad bubble.

Yeah, and I want our first bowl win to be in the Rose Bowl, against
an undefeated USC, but I'd take a win in Detroit against Akron if that's 
what it took to get us off the schnod.  
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Mar 11 17:22:45 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:22:45 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
Message-ID: <896130977-1331504547-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-96890970-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Iona is in play-in in West.  Does that kill us?
------Original Message------
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To: Jonathan Hodges
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
Sent: Mar 11, 2012 5:42 PM

> I think many want NU to finally get in when they've really earned it, not
> just when the field has been expanded and there is a really bad bubble.

Yeah, and I want our first bowl win to be in the Rose Bowl, against
an undefeated USC, but I'd take a win in Detroit against Akron if that's 
what it took to get us off the schnod.  
--
Mike Nolan

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 17:25:12 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:25:12 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
In-Reply-To: <896130977-1331504547-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-96890970-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <896130977-1331504547-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-96890970-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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I don't think it's good news...one spot that could've been, but ain't, us.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:22:45 
To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Jonathan Hodges<j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....

Iona is in play-in in West.  Does that kill us?
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
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To: Jonathan Hodges
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Let me get this right....
Sent: Mar 11, 2012 5:42 PM

> I think many want NU to finally get in when they've really earned it, not
> just when the field has been expanded and there is a really bad bubble.

Yeah, and I want our first bowl win to be in the Rose Bowl, against
an undefeated USC, but I'd take a win in Detroit against Akron if that's 
what it took to get us off the schnod.  
--
Mike Nolan

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 17:26:31 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:26:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Midway through ...
Message-ID: <1331504791.53945.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Iona?? Well, not looking good. But at least I can take them over a 9th or 10th Big East school.

Kentucky's got a brutal bracket with UConn, Indiana and Duke possibly in their way. No tears for Calipari, though. :)


Glad to see Sparty get a #1 and they have a kinder path with Mizzou and Marquette ... nothing's for sure in the NCAA, though.

Hanging on to hope ... barely. Still weird to even be watching with hope on Selection Sunday.


GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Mar 11 17:34:53 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:34:53 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Midway through ...
In-Reply-To: <1331504791.53945.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1331504791.53945.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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3 regions down.  I just keep thinikng about all of our lost opportunities.  Coulda, woulda, shoulda..... 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:26:31 
To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Midway through ...

Iona?? Well, not looking good. But at least I can take them over a 9th or 10th Big East school.

Kentucky's got a brutal bracket with UConn, Indiana and Duke possibly in their way. No tears for Calipari, though. :)


Glad to see Sparty get a #1 and they have a kinder path with Mizzou and Marquette ... nothing's for sure in the NCAA, though.

Hanging on to hope ... barely. Still weird to even be watching with hope on Selection Sunday.


GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 17:35:46 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:35:46 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Midway through ...
In-Reply-To: <1331504791.53945.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1331504791.53945.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7CEA2EAF-4250-4D98-88B4-441AA9F20D3F@gmail.com>

Only 1 region left but they don't like to put 3 teams from a conf in the same region unless they have more than 8 teams...hopefully that changes...



On Mar 11, 2012, at 6:26 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Iona?? Well, not looking good. But at least I can take them over a 9th or 10th Big East school.
> 
> Kentucky's got a brutal bracket with UConn, Indiana and Duke possibly in their way. No tears for Calipari, though. :)
> 
> 
> Glad to see Sparty get a #1 and they have a kinder path with Mizzou and Marquette ... nothing's for sure in the NCAA, though.
> 
> Hanging on to hope ... barely. Still weird to even be watching with hope on Selection Sunday.
> 
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
>  
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 17:39:11 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:39:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...
Message-ID: <1331505551.1615.YahooMailNeo@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... South Florida/Cal makes it -- better than Seton Hall beating out us I guess.

Iona???

Well, we had our chances. It was the closest we've made it, but not far enough.

Would be nice to send Shurna out with a trip to the Big Apple.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Mar 11 17:41:07 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:41:07 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] it's Over
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Well, we had our chances and didn't cash in.  Theyb just mentioned us.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: [NU Sports] Midway through ...

Iona?? Well, not looking good. But at least I can take them over a 9th or 10th Big East school.

Kentucky's got a brutal bracket with UConn, Indiana and Duke possibly in their way. No tears for Calipari, though. :)


Glad to see Sparty get a #1 and they have a kinder path with Mizzou and Marquette ... nothing's for sure in the NCAA, though.

Hanging on to hope ... barely. Still weird to even be watching with hope on Selection Sunday.


GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 17:55:12 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:55:12 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] it's Over
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I would have been thrilled to have gotten a bid.

But we did not deserve one. We needed to beat Minnesota, and did not.

Now whatever happens in the NIT happens will happen. Frankly, the NIT
simply sets the stage for the debate over the future of the program.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 11, 2012, at 3:40 PM, "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Well, we had our chances and didn't cash in.  Theyb just mentioned us.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:26:31
> To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Midway through ...
>
> Iona?? Well, not looking good. But at least I can take them over a 9th or 10th Big East school.
>
> Kentucky's got a brutal bracket with UConn, Indiana and Duke possibly in their way. No tears for Calipari, though. :)
>
>
> Glad to see Sparty get a #1 and they have a kinder path with Mizzou and Marquette ... nothing's for sure in the NCAA, though.
>
> Hanging on to hope ... barely. Still weird to even be watching with hope on Selection Sunday.
>
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Mar 11 18:00:34 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:00:34 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] it's Over
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9p E on ESPNU - NIT selection show.

Profoundly anticlimactic for an NU fan.  NU had ample opportunity to qualify for the NCAAs and couldn't get it done.   Sad.

Am not going to debate whether the NIT is "better than nothing," but will support the purple and always root for the best experience and success for the kids who represent NU Nation.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:55 PM
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] it's Over

I would have been thrilled to have gotten a bid.

But we did not deserve one. We needed to beat Minnesota, and did not.

Now whatever happens in the NIT happens will happen. Frankly, the NIT simply sets the stage for the debate over the future of the program.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 11, 2012, at 3:40 PM, "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Well, we had our chances and didn't cash in.  Theyb just mentioned us.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:26:31
> To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Midway through ...
>
> Iona?? Well, not looking good. But at least I can take them over a 9th or 10th Big East school.
>
> Kentucky's got a brutal bracket with UConn, Indiana and Duke possibly 
> in their way. No tears for Calipari, though. :)
>
>
> Glad to see Sparty get a #1 and they have a kinder path with Mizzou and Marquette ... nothing's for sure in the NCAA, though.
>
> Hanging on to hope ... barely. Still weird to even be watching with hope on Selection Sunday.
>
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * STEPHEN J. TRUOG 
> sjtruog at yahoo.com GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 11 18:06:43 2012
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:06:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] it's Over
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Although the NCAA would have been infinitely better, the NIT is a nice stage for 
Shurna to get to his well-deserved 2,000.





________________________________
From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, March 11, 2012 6:00:34 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] it's Over

9p E on ESPNU - NIT selection show.

Profoundly anticlimactic for an NU fan.? NU had ample opportunity to qualify for 
the NCAAs and couldn't get it done.? Sad.

Am not going to debate whether the NIT is "better than nothing," but will 
support the purple and always root for the best experience and success for the 
kids who represent NU Nation.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf 
Of Alan Abrahamson
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:55 PM
To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] it's Over

I would have been thrilled to have gotten a bid.

But we did not deserve one. We needed to beat Minnesota, and did not.

Now whatever happens in the NIT happens will happen. Frankly, the NIT simply 
sets the stage for the debate over the future of the program.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 11, 2012, at 3:40 PM, "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Well, we had our chances and didn't cash in.? Theyb just mentioned us.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:26:31
> To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Midway through ...
>
> Iona?? Well, not looking good. But at least I can take them over a 9th or 10th 
>Big East school.
>
> Kentucky's got a brutal bracket with UConn, Indiana and Duke possibly 
> in their way. No tears for Calipari, though. :)
>
>
> Glad to see Sparty get a #1 and they have a kinder path with Mizzou and 
>Marquette ... nothing's for sure in the NCAA, though.
>
> Hanging on to hope ... barely. Still weird to even be watching with hope on 
>Selection Sunday.
>
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * STEPHEN J. TRUOG 
> sjtruog at yahoo.com GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 18:12:36 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 16:12:36 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] it's Over
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Doomsday scenario: we lose and Shurna is held to 8 points, finishing with 1,999. 



On Mar 11, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Although the NCAA would have been infinitely better, the NIT is a nice stage for 
> Shurna to get to his well-deserved 2,000.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
> Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Sun, March 11, 2012 6:00:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] it's Over
> 
> 9p E on ESPNU - NIT selection show.
> 
> Profoundly anticlimactic for an NU fan.  NU had ample opportunity to qualify for 
> the NCAAs and couldn't get it done.  Sad.
> 
> Am not going to debate whether the NIT is "better than nothing," but will 
> support the purple and always root for the best experience and success for the 
> kids who represent NU Nation.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf 
> Of Alan Abrahamson
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 6:55 PM
> To: neonrye at aol.com
> Cc: NUSPORTS
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] it's Over
> 
> I would have been thrilled to have gotten a bid.
> 
> But we did not deserve one. We needed to beat Minnesota, and did not.
> 
> Now whatever happens in the NIT happens will happen. Frankly, the NIT simply 
> sets the stage for the debate over the future of the program.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 11, 2012, at 3:40 PM, "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> Well, we had our chances and didn't cash in.  Theyb just mentioned us.
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 15:26:31
>> To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [NU Sports] Midway through ...
>> 
>> Iona?? Well, not looking good. But at least I can take them over a 9th or 10th 
>> Big East school.
>> 
>> Kentucky's got a brutal bracket with UConn, Indiana and Duke possibly 
>> in their way. No tears for Calipari, though. :)
>> 
>> 
>> Glad to see Sparty get a #1 and they have a kinder path with Mizzou and 
>> Marquette ... nothing's for sure in the NCAA, though.
>> 
>> Hanging on to hope ... barely. Still weird to even be watching with hope on 
>> Selection Sunday.
>> 
>> 
>> GO CATS!!!
>> -SjT
>> 
>> 
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * STEPHEN J. TRUOG 
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
>> ________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 19:36:43 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 17:36:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
	gloomy and going nowhere
Message-ID: <1331512603.14677.YahooMailNeo@web114720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

If we fire Carmody we won't get anybody better. But it's clear he's probably not the guy to end the streak either. I don't have an answer. I think hiring a high school coach would be a disaster (Bob Wade/Maryland for an example). We could get some hotshot Armani-suited oil-slick assistant from a power but he'd get quickly frustrated and flee at the first open job. And getting a big-time established coach to come to NU is a fantasy.

I do have one way to improve the hoops team almost immediately. I reject it and DO NOT advocate it, but it would work: give the basketball team 5 exemptions from admission standards. Not total exemptions but pretty wide ones. That would work, I guarantee it. I'd be horrified, personally, bit it would work. I suspect this is how Georgetown stays competitive with Louisville, Cincinnati, et al. Or how Harvard, dismal for a century, suddenly improved, waddaya know, funny thing eh?


New facilities? Could help, but do we think NU is building a palace like OSU or Michigan State or Wisconsin have? No. So we'll still be second-rate, just a nicer second-rate. Will that make a difference in recruiting Mr. Hoops Stud? I doubt it.

Dennis' point about rebounding and big men gets an amen from me -- it is no coincidence Penn State's best hoops moments have come when they have had a dominating big man -- but big men can prosper in the Princeton system, too. Just have to be the right kind of big men. But does firing Carmody suddenly mean Mr. 7-0 Super Stud will flock to NU? I doubt it.

No answers here frankly. As opposed to many of you, I didn't see this team as an NCAA tournament team and was skeptical all season long about it. Didn't I bet somebody a soda NU wouldn't make it?? My default position on NU hoops is doom and gloom and I see little reason to change that coming up.

I believe the great moment -- the moment that could have been the breakthrough but then was lost -- was when Coble quit. Coble, Shurna, etc. all together would have been an NCAA tournament team without any doubt. But it's NU hoops -- so Cobl quits, Rex Walters transfers., and the purple-clad faithful troop off endlessly into the darkness of dismal oblivion.

Anybody know a Gary Barnett, basketball version?

Brad Wilson





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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Mar 11 20:21:53 2012
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 18:21:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
Message-ID: <1331515313.15655.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

An embarrassing #4 seed for the Cats in the NIT.? 

Surprisingly, almost all of the other teams that were allegedly on the bubble 
(Washington, Seton Hall, Ole Miss)) got #1 or #2 seeds.? Makes one wonder if the 
Cats were really that close at all.

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Mar 11 20:23:42 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:23:42 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
In-Reply-To: <1331515313.15655.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE8F@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Cats host Akron, Tue., 9p on ESPN2.  NU is a 4th seed and Akron a 5th seed.

The winner plays the winner of Washington vs UT-Arlington.  Washington, a regular season conf. champ, is a #1 seed and UTA is a #8.

Seton Hall, which plays Stony Brook, is among the other #1 seeds, along with Arizona and Tennessee.  

The other Big Ten teams in the NIT are Minnesota (a #3), which plays LaSalle, and Iowa (a #7), which plays Dayton.  Illinois did not get a bid.


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 09:21 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?

An embarrassing #4 seed for the Cats in the NIT.

Surprisingly, almost all of the other teams that were allegedly on the bubble
(Washington, Seton Hall, Ole Miss)) got #1 or #2 seeds.  Makes one wonder if the
Cats were really that close at all.
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Mar 11 20:26:48 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 20:26:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
In-Reply-To: <1331515313.15655.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120312012648.C977E656E3@romaine.tssi.com>

High seeds (eg, home games) in the NIT have historically gone to teams 
that have big arenas and good attendance.  Has that changed since the 
NCAA took over the NIT?
--
Mike Nolan


> An embarrassing #4 seed for the Cats in the NIT.=A0 =
> 
> 
> Surprisingly, almost all of the other teams that were allegedly on the bubb=
> le =
> 
> (Washington, Seton Hall, Ole Miss)) got #1 or #2 seeds.=A0 Makes one wonder=
>  if the =
> 
> Cats were really that close at all.
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Mar 11 20:26:47 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:26:47 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE8F@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE90@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Correction - Minn is a #6, LaSalle is a #3.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 09:23 PM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

Cats host Akron, Tue., 9p on ESPN2.  NU is a 4th seed and Akron a 5th seed.

The winner plays the winner of Washington vs UT-Arlington.  Washington, a regular season conf. champ, is a #1 seed and UTA is a #8.

Seton Hall, which plays Stony Brook, is among the other #1 seeds, along with Arizona and Tennessee.  

The other Big Ten teams in the NIT are Minnesota (a #3), which plays LaSalle, and Iowa (a #7), which plays Dayton.  Illinois did not get a bid.


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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 09:21 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?

An embarrassing #4 seed for the Cats in the NIT.

Surprisingly, almost all of the other teams that were allegedly on the bubble
(Washington, Seton Hall, Ole Miss)) got #1 or #2 seeds.  Makes one wonder if the
Cats were really that close at all.
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Mar 11 20:49:42 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 01:49:42 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE8F@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Last year we lost at Wazzou.  Now, if we get past first round, we have to travel to Seattle.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

Cats host Akron, Tue., 9p on ESPN2.  NU is a 4th seed and Akron a 5th seed.

The winner plays the winner of Washington vs UT-Arlington.  Washington, a regular season conf. champ, is a #1 seed and UTA is a #8.

Seton Hall, which plays Stony Brook, is among the other #1 seeds, along with Arizona and Tennessee.  

The other Big Ten teams in the NIT are Minnesota (a #3), which plays LaSalle, and Iowa (a #7), which plays Dayton.  Illinois did not get a bid.


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Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?

An embarrassing #4 seed for the Cats in the NIT.

Surprisingly, almost all of the other teams that were allegedly on the bubble
(Washington, Seton Hall, Ole Miss)) got #1 or #2 seeds.  Makes one wonder if the
Cats were really that close at all.
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From martinitis at aol.com  Sun Mar 11 21:04:23 2012
From: martinitis at aol.com (Louis Martinaitis)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 19:04:23 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
	gloomy and going nowhere
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What about that young coach at Butler?  We know he can win and seems like he would fit our mold.  Might he like the challenge of the BIG?

Louis Martinaitis
 


On Mar 11, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If we fire Carmody we won't get anybody better. But it's clear he's probably not the guy to end the streak either. I don't have an answer. I think hiring a high school coach would be a disaster (Bob Wade/Maryland for an example). We could get some hotshot Armani-suited oil-slick assistant from a power but he'd get quickly frustrated and flee at the first open job. And getting a big-time established coach to come to NU is a fantasy.
> 
> I do have one way to improve the hoops team almost immediately. I reject it and DO NOT advocate it, but it would work: give the basketball team 5 exemptions from admission standards. Not total exemptions but pretty wide ones. That would work, I guarantee it. I'd be horrified, personally, bit it would work. I suspect this is how Georgetown stays competitive with Louisville, Cincinnati, et al. Or how Harvard, dismal for a century, suddenly improved, waddaya know, funny thing eh?
> 
> 
> New facilities? Could help, but do we think NU is building a palace like OSU or Michigan State or Wisconsin have? No. So we'll still be second-rate, just a nicer second-rate. Will that make a difference in recruiting Mr. Hoops Stud? I doubt it.
> 
> Dennis' point about rebounding and big men gets an amen from me -- it is no coincidence Penn State's best hoops moments have come when they have had a dominating big man -- but big men can prosper in the Princeton system, too. Just have to be the right kind of big men. But does firing Carmody suddenly mean Mr. 7-0 Super Stud will flock to NU? I doubt it.
> 
> No answers here frankly. As opposed to many of you, I didn't see this team as an NCAA tournament team and was skeptical all season long about it. Didn't I bet somebody a soda NU wouldn't make it?  My default position on NU hoops is doom and gloom and I see little reason to change that coming up.
> 
> I believe the great moment -- the moment that could have been the breakthrough but then was lost -- was when Coble quit. Coble, Shurna, etc. all together would have been an NCAA tournament team without any doubt. But it's NU hoops -- so Cobl quits, Rex Walters transfers., and the purple-clad faithful troop off endlessly into the darkness of dismal oblivion.
> 
> Anybody know a Gary Barnett, basketball version?
> 
> Brad Wilson
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> "Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)
> 
> 
> "But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez
> 
> 
> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sun Mar 11 21:18:48 2012
From: cherron604 at aol.com (chuck herron)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:18:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] NIT tickets
Message-ID: <8CECE0D980573AB-C58-B089@webmail-m052.sysops.aol.com>


 Got an email from the NU ticket office for the first round NIT game, hosting Akron.  The email mentioned that student tickets would be complimentary, courtesy of Coach Carmody.  Has Bill Carmody provided complimentary student NIT home game tickets previously ?


Chuck Herron, Tech '85
cherron604 at aol.com


From herms at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 11 21:21:43 2012
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:21:43 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NIT tickets
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Yep, last year, too.

> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> From: cherron604 at aol.com
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:18:48 -0400
> Subject: [NU Sports] NIT tickets
> 
> 
>  Got an email from the NU ticket office for the first round NIT game, hosting Akron.  The email mentioned that student tickets would be complimentary, courtesy of Coach Carmody.  Has Bill Carmody provided complimentary student NIT home game tickets previously ?
> 
> 
> Chuck Herron, Tech '85
> cherron604 at aol.com
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Mar 11 21:44:23 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 22:44:23 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Dance
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Of course, but I haven't seen him near the top on any leaderboards this year., that's all.

rsl

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> Luke hasn't made a lot of loot so far this year.

Would you trade bank accounts with him?  Me too.


From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Mar 11 22:01:34 2012
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:01:34 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
 gloomy and going nowhere
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Living here in Indianapolis, we hear about it every time Brad Stevens' 
name comes up for some coaching search. Prevailing wisdom is that he 
really likes the deal he has at Butler. Another couple of years playing 
in the CBI instead of the NCAA (or even the NIT), and who knows. If he 
were to leave on his own, I think that NU could be the type of program 
and challenge that he would take, but I don't think I see it happening.

-Michael

On 3/11/2012 10:04 PM, Louis Martinaitis wrote:
> What about that young coach at Butler?  We know he can win and seems like he would fit our mold.  Might he like the challenge of the BIG?
>
> Louis Martinaitis
>
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Brad Wilson<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
>> If we fire Carmody we won't get anybody better. But it's clear he's probably not the guy to end the streak either. I don't have an answer. I think hiring a high school coach would be a disaster (Bob Wade/Maryland for an example). We could get some hotshot Armani-suited oil-slick assistant from a power but he'd get quickly frustrated and flee at the first open job. And getting a big-time established coach to come to NU is a fantasy.
>>
>> I do have one way to improve the hoops team almost immediately. I reject it and DO NOT advocate it, but it would work: give the basketball team 5 exemptions from admission standards. Not total exemptions but pretty wide ones. That would work, I guarantee it. I'd be horrified, personally, bit it would work. I suspect this is how Georgetown stays competitive with Louisville, Cincinnati, et al. Or how Harvard, dismal for a century, suddenly improved, waddaya know, funny thing eh?
>>
>>
>> New facilities? Could help, but do we think NU is building a palace like OSU or Michigan State or Wisconsin have? No. So we'll still be second-rate, just a nicer second-rate. Will that make a difference in recruiting Mr. Hoops Stud? I doubt it.
>>
>> Dennis' point about rebounding and big men gets an amen from me -- it is no coincidence Penn State's best hoops moments have come when they have had a dominating big man -- but big men can prosper in the Princeton system, too. Just have to be the right kind of big men. But does firing Carmody suddenly mean Mr. 7-0 Super Stud will flock to NU? I doubt it.
>>
>> No answers here frankly. As opposed to many of you, I didn't see this team as an NCAA tournament team and was skeptical all season long about it. Didn't I bet somebody a soda NU wouldn't make it?  My default position on NU hoops is doom and gloom and I see little reason to change that coming up.
>>
>> I believe the great moment -- the moment that could have been the breakthrough but then was lost -- was when Coble quit. Coble, Shurna, etc. all together would have been an NCAA tournament team without any doubt. But it's NU hoops -- so Cobl quits, Rex Walters transfers., and the purple-clad faithful troop off endlessly into the darkness of dismal oblivion.
>>
>> Anybody know a Gary Barnett, basketball version?
>>
>> Brad Wilson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)
>>
>>
>> "But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez
>>
>>
>> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sun Mar 11 22:16:12 2012
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:16:12 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
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NIT selection and seeding is done by a committee different than the
selection committee for the Dance.  Automatic bids go to season champs who
get beat in their conference tournaments. Tickets are taken into
consideration for home games and therefor seedings.
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On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 9:49 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Last year we lost at Wazzou.  Now, if we get past first round, we have to
> travel to Seattle.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:23:42
> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
>
> Cats host Akron, Tue., 9p on ESPN2.  NU is a 4th seed and Akron a 5th seed.
>
> The winner plays the winner of Washington vs UT-Arlington.  Washington, a
> regular season conf. champ, is a #1 seed and UTA is a #8.
>
> Seton Hall, which plays Stony Brook, is among the other #1 seeds, along
> with Arizona and Tennessee.
>
> The other Big Ten teams in the NIT are Minnesota (a #3), which plays
> LaSalle, and Iowa (a #7), which plays Dayton.  Illinois did not get a bid.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Evans Schoeman [mailto:eschoeman at sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 09:21 PM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
>
> An embarrassing #4 seed for the Cats in the NIT.
>
> Surprisingly, almost all of the other teams that were allegedly on the
> bubble
> (Washington, Seton Hall, Ole Miss)) got #1 or #2 seeds.  Makes one wonder
> if the
> Cats were really that close at all.
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Mar 11 22:27:56 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 03:27:56 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
	gloomy and going nowhere
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He would be a great choice if we were to make a change, but he could probably land a much better gig, such as Illinois--although I have read Shaka Smart (Virginia Commonwealth) has the inside track there.  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:01:34 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
 gloomy and going nowhere

Living here in Indianapolis, we hear about it every time Brad Stevens' 
name comes up for some coaching search. Prevailing wisdom is that he 
really likes the deal he has at Butler. Another couple of years playing 
in the CBI instead of the NCAA (or even the NIT), and who knows. If he 
were to leave on his own, I think that NU could be the type of program 
and challenge that he would take, but I don't think I see it happening.

-Michael

On 3/11/2012 10:04 PM, Louis Martinaitis wrote:
> What about that young coach at Butler?  We know he can win and seems like he would fit our mold.  Might he like the challenge of the BIG?
>
> Louis Martinaitis
>
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Brad Wilson<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
>> If we fire Carmody we won't get anybody better. But it's clear he's probably not the guy to end the streak either. I don't have an answer. I think hiring a high school coach would be a disaster (Bob Wade/Maryland for an example). We could get some hotshot Armani-suited oil-slick assistant from a power but he'd get quickly frustrated and flee at the first open job. And getting a big-time established coach to come to NU is a fantasy.
>>
>> I do have one way to improve the hoops team almost immediately. I reject it and DO NOT advocate it, but it would work: give the basketball team 5 exemptions from admission standards. Not total exemptions but pretty wide ones. That would work, I guarantee it. I'd be horrified, personally, bit it would work. I suspect this is how Georgetown stays competitive with Louisville, Cincinnati, et al. Or how Harvard, dismal for a century, suddenly improved, waddaya know, funny thing eh?
>>
>>
>> New facilities? Could help, but do we think NU is building a palace like OSU or Michigan State or Wisconsin have? No. So we'll still be second-rate, just a nicer second-rate. Will that make a difference in recruiting Mr. Hoops Stud? I doubt it.
>>
>> Dennis' point about rebounding and big men gets an amen from me -- it is no coincidence Penn State's best hoops moments have come when they have had a dominating big man -- but big men can prosper in the Princeton system, too. Just have to be the right kind of big men. But does firing Carmody suddenly mean Mr. 7-0 Super Stud will flock to NU? I doubt it.
>>
>> No answers here frankly. As opposed to many of you, I didn't see this team as an NCAA tournament team and was skeptical all season long about it. Didn't I bet somebody a soda NU wouldn't make it?  My default position on NU hoops is doom and gloom and I see little reason to change that coming up.
>>
>> I believe the great moment -- the moment that could have been the breakthrough but then was lost -- was when Coble quit. Coble, Shurna, etc. all together would have been an NCAA tournament team without any doubt. But it's NU hoops -- so Cobl quits, Rex Walters transfers., and the purple-clad faithful troop off endlessly into the darkness of dismal oblivion.
>>
>> Anybody know a Gary Barnett, basketball version?
>>
>> Brad Wilson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)
>>
>>
>> "But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez
>>
>>
>> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Mar 11 22:35:55 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:35:55 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
	gloomy and going nowhere
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Remember the story about Tommy Amaker's interview at NU.

His main concern was the recruiting policies in Evanston, and he took another gig, because
NU wouldn't have accepted a couple of kids who got into Duke.

Fitz (and Walker) talks about recruiting only about 25% of the available HS football
players due to grades, etc. I suspect that Carmodys recruiting universe is even smaller,
with more Div I school available to the top academic players.

Duke, Vandy, Rice, all come to mind immediately, with the Ivies closing in fast. They all
play in Div I, and many of the smaller Div I schools can compare with NU when it comes to
roundball.

In any case, Shurna has a shot at 2,000 points, and last year the Cats made it to the
quarter finals, right? Maybe the fourth time is the charm?

rsl 

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 11:28 PM
To: Michael Vance; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going nowhere

He would be a great choice if we were to make a change, but he could probably land a much
better gig, such as Illinois--although I have read Shaka Smart (Virginia Commonwealth) has
the inside track there.  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:01:34
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,  gloomy and going nowhere

Living here in Indianapolis, we hear about it every time Brad Stevens' 
name comes up for some coaching search. Prevailing wisdom is that he really likes the deal
he has at Butler. Another couple of years playing in the CBI instead of the NCAA (or even
the NIT), and who knows. If he were to leave on his own, I think that NU could be the type
of program and challenge that he would take, but I don't think I see it happening.

-Michael

On 3/11/2012 10:04 PM, Louis Martinaitis wrote:
> What about that young coach at Butler?  We know he can win and seems like he would fit
our mold.  Might he like the challenge of the BIG?
>
> Louis Martinaitis
>
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Brad Wilson<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
>> If we fire Carmody we won't get anybody better. But it's clear he's probably not the
guy to end the streak either. I don't have an answer. I think hiring a high school coach
would be a disaster (Bob Wade/Maryland for an example). We could get some hotshot
Armani-suited oil-slick assistant from a power but he'd get quickly frustrated and flee at
the first open job. And getting a big-time established coach to come to NU is a fantasy.
>>
>> I do have one way to improve the hoops team almost immediately. I reject it and DO NOT
advocate it, but it would work: give the basketball team 5 exemptions from admission
standards. Not total exemptions but pretty wide ones. That would work, I guarantee it. I'd
be horrified, personally, bit it would work. I suspect this is how Georgetown stays
competitive with Louisville, Cincinnati, et al. Or how Harvard, dismal for a century,
suddenly improved, waddaya know, funny thing eh?
>>
>>
>> New facilities? Could help, but do we think NU is building a palace like OSU or
Michigan State or Wisconsin have? No. So we'll still be second-rate, just a nicer
second-rate. Will that make a difference in recruiting Mr. Hoops Stud? I doubt it.
>>
>> Dennis' point about rebounding and big men gets an amen from me -- it is no coincidence
Penn State's best hoops moments have come when they have had a dominating big man -- but
big men can prosper in the Princeton system, too. Just have to be the right kind of big
men. But does firing Carmody suddenly mean Mr. 7-0 Super Stud will flock to NU? I doubt
it.
>>
>> No answers here frankly. As opposed to many of you, I didn't see this team as an NCAA
tournament team and was skeptical all season long about it. Didn't I bet somebody a soda
NU wouldn't make it?  My default position on NU hoops is doom and gloom and I see little
reason to change that coming up.
>>
>> I believe the great moment -- the moment that could have been the breakthrough but then
was lost -- was when Coble quit. Coble, Shurna, etc. all together would have been an NCAA
tournament team without any doubt. But it's NU hoops -- so Cobl quits, Rex Walters
transfers., and the purple-clad faithful troop off endlessly into the darkness of dismal
oblivion.
>>
>> Anybody know a Gary Barnett, basketball version?
>>
>> Brad Wilson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. 
>> Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a 
>> profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we 
>> should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)
>>
>>
>> "But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's 
>> not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s 
>> marketing." -- Pierre Boulez
>>
>>
>> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal 
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Mar 11 23:02:22 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:02:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
In-Reply-To: <000301cd0001$3d113e80$b733bb80$@com>
Message-ID: <20120312040222.32624656CE@romaine.tssi.com>

> Remember the story about Tommy Amaker's interview at NU.

I've always thought that story, if completely true, was more of
an excuse than a reason.

He lasted just six seasons at Michigan, where he had just about every
possible (legal) recruiting advantage, with only 3 NIT appearances to show 
for it, though he did very well at the NIT, winning it once, and 
runner-up another time.

Somehow I suspect Harvard isn't bending their recruiting rules
much for him, though he did win the Ivy League this year.
--
Mike Nolan



From herms at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 11 23:06:45 2012
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 00:06:45 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
In-Reply-To: <20120312040222.32624656CE@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <000301cd0001$3d113e80$b733bb80$@com>,
 <20120312040222.32624656CE@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <SNT104-W48DACF39C1110DA0536E1AE5B0@phx.gbl>


Well according to this NY Times article from 2008, he's having a lot more leeway with Harvard's academic standards than previous coaches--http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/ncaabasketball/02harvard.html?pagewanted=all 


> To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com
> Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:02:22 -0500
> From: nolan at tssi.com
> CC: nwu-sports at tssi.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
> 
> > Remember the story about Tommy Amaker's interview at NU.
> 
> I've always thought that story, if completely true, was more of
> an excuse than a reason.
> 
> He lasted just six seasons at Michigan, where he had just about every
> possible (legal) recruiting advantage, with only 3 NIT appearances to show 
> for it, though he did very well at the NIT, winning it once, and 
> runner-up another time.
> 
> Somehow I suspect Harvard isn't bending their recruiting rules
> much for him, though he did win the Ivy League this year.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Mar 11 23:14:30 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 04:14:30 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
	gloomy and going nowhere
In-Reply-To: <000301cd0001$3d113e80$b733bb80$@com>
References: <1331512603.14677.YahooMailNeo@web114720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <3593E5EE-D559-4E1D-8AB5-7EEA3B1D0D2F@aol.com>
 <4F5D670E.1070604@att.net>
 <378914273-1331522855-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1288548102-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
 <000301cd0001$3d113e80$b733bb80$@com>
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If duke can take kids that NU won't it will be awfully hard to recruit a name coach. Hard to see why a name coach would want that challenge particularly if it's not widely known that our standards are even tougher than our academic brethren.  

And if it is true, then I reiterate my recent posting arguing to  accept those prospects that the head coach wants and whom the admissions committee believes have good shot at graduating. 

A key point is that NU accepts special achievement kids (apart from athletics) with lower numbers than those without .  And athletic excellence surely seems to qualify as special

Harry
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:35:55 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; 'Michael Vance'<michael.vance at att.net>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
	gloomy and going nowhere

Remember the story about Tommy Amaker's interview at NU.

His main concern was the recruiting policies in Evanston, and he took another gig, because
NU wouldn't have accepted a couple of kids who got into Duke.

Fitz (and Walker) talks about recruiting only about 25% of the available HS football
players due to grades, etc. I suspect that Carmodys recruiting universe is even smaller,
with more Div I school available to the top academic players.

Duke, Vandy, Rice, all come to mind immediately, with the Ivies closing in fast. They all
play in Div I, and many of the smaller Div I schools can compare with NU when it comes to
roundball.

In any case, Shurna has a shot at 2,000 points, and last year the Cats made it to the
quarter finals, right? Maybe the fourth time is the charm?

rsl 

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He would be a great choice if we were to make a change, but he could probably land a much
better gig, such as Illinois--although I have read Shaka Smart (Virginia Commonwealth) has
the inside track there.  
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:01:34
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,  gloomy and going nowhere

Living here in Indianapolis, we hear about it every time Brad Stevens' 
name comes up for some coaching search. Prevailing wisdom is that he really likes the deal
he has at Butler. Another couple of years playing in the CBI instead of the NCAA (or even
the NIT), and who knows. If he were to leave on his own, I think that NU could be the type
of program and challenge that he would take, but I don't think I see it happening.

-Michael

On 3/11/2012 10:04 PM, Louis Martinaitis wrote:
> What about that young coach at Butler?  We know he can win and seems like he would fit
our mold.  Might he like the challenge of the BIG?
>
> Louis Martinaitis
>
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Brad Wilson<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>
>> If we fire Carmody we won't get anybody better. But it's clear he's probably not the
guy to end the streak either. I don't have an answer. I think hiring a high school coach
would be a disaster (Bob Wade/Maryland for an example). We could get some hotshot
Armani-suited oil-slick assistant from a power but he'd get quickly frustrated and flee at
the first open job. And getting a big-time established coach to come to NU is a fantasy.
>>
>> I do have one way to improve the hoops team almost immediately. I reject it and DO NOT
advocate it, but it would work: give the basketball team 5 exemptions from admission
standards. Not total exemptions but pretty wide ones. That would work, I guarantee it. I'd
be horrified, personally, bit it would work. I suspect this is how Georgetown stays
competitive with Louisville, Cincinnati, et al. Or how Harvard, dismal for a century,
suddenly improved, waddaya know, funny thing eh?
>>
>>
>> New facilities? Could help, but do we think NU is building a palace like OSU or
Michigan State or Wisconsin have? No. So we'll still be second-rate, just a nicer
second-rate. Will that make a difference in recruiting Mr. Hoops Stud? I doubt it.
>>
>> Dennis' point about rebounding and big men gets an amen from me -- it is no coincidence
Penn State's best hoops moments have come when they have had a dominating big man -- but
big men can prosper in the Princeton system, too. Just have to be the right kind of big
men. But does firing Carmody suddenly mean Mr. 7-0 Super Stud will flock to NU? I doubt
it.
>>
>> No answers here frankly. As opposed to many of you, I didn't see this team as an NCAA
tournament team and was skeptical all season long about it. Didn't I bet somebody a soda
NU wouldn't make it?  My default position on NU hoops is doom and gloom and I see little
reason to change that coming up.
>>
>> I believe the great moment -- the moment that could have been the breakthrough but then
was lost -- was when Coble quit. Coble, Shurna, etc. all together would have been an NCAA
tournament team without any doubt. But it's NU hoops -- so Cobl quits, Rex Walters
transfers., and the purple-clad faithful troop off endlessly into the darkness of dismal
oblivion.
>>
>> Anybody know a Gary Barnett, basketball version?
>>
>> Brad Wilson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. 
>> Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a 
>> profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we 
>> should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)
>>
>>
>> "But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's 
>> not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s 
>> marketing." -- Pierre Boulez
>>
>>
>> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal 
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Mar 11 23:20:22 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 23:20:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
In-Reply-To: <SNT104-W48DACF39C1110DA0536E1AE5B0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20120312042022.C4AD9656CE@romaine.tssi.com>

> Well according to this NY Times article from 2008=2C he's having a lot more=
>  leeway with Harvard's academic standards than previous coaches--http://www=
> .nytimes.com/2008/03/02/sports/ncaabasketball/02harvard.html?pagewanted=3Da=
> ll=20

What I read the article as saying is that he was targeting players closer
to the minimum standard for Ivy League acceptance than his predecessors,
which is not quite the same thing as being granted lower admission
standards than for non-athletes.

The article also raises some red flags, implying he has been skirting 
if not breaking NCAA rules.
--
Mike Nolan


From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 11 23:41:03 2012
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:41:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Turns out...
Message-ID: <1331527263.2133.YahooMailMobile@web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

...we weren&#39;t even in the first six teams that missed a bid:
http://m.espn.go.com/ncb/story?storyId=7674666

From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Mar 12 00:02:00 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 00:02:00 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Turns out...
In-Reply-To: <1331527263.2133.YahooMailMobile@web164503.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120312050200.79C5B65706@romaine.tssi.com>

An analysis of the brackets suggest we were two wins away from
making the field, which is what some folks were saying 
two weeks ago.  Good call!

There are only two teams with fewer than 20 wins in the field,
and one of them (Western Kentucky) is an AQ, having won the Sun
Belt conference tournament.  Someone else will have to explain
why West Virginia is in.  

BTW, there's a tweet on a WSJ sports web page right now with
someone picking Northwestern to win the NIT.  
--
Mike Nolan


From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Mar 12 04:30:04 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 05:30:04 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE8F@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <7466A49179B04DDABEB39424B91EE22B@dennismachine>

How is it possible that Washington could win their conference regular season 
championship and NOT make the NCAA tournament?  How could the once vaunted 
PAC-8/10/12/whatever only get one team (California) in the Dance, and 
they're only in the First Four? 


From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Mar 12 06:25:51 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:25:51 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
Message-ID: <442499441-1331551559-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2071662439-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Impossible. Cal did not win the Pac 12 tourney, colorado did

Harry
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Sent: Mar 12, 2012 2:30 AM

How is it possible that Washington could win their conference regular season 
championship and NOT make the NCAA tournament?  How could the once vaunted 
PAC-8/10/12/whatever only get one team (California) in the Dance, and 
they're only in the First Four? 

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Mar 12 06:27:41 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:27:41 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
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I should have added that makes 2 Pac 12 teams, Cal and Colorado.  Cal was the at large bid 

Harry
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:25:51 
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Reply-To: hakirsch at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

Impossible. Cal did not win the Pac 12 tourney, colorado did

Harry
------Original Message------
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To: Willie Weinbaum
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
Sent: Mar 12, 2012 2:30 AM

How is it possible that Washington could win their conference regular season 
championship and NOT make the NCAA tournament?  How could the once vaunted 
PAC-8/10/12/whatever only get one team (California) in the Dance, and 
they're only in the First Four? 

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From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Mar 12 07:03:32 2012
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:03:32 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
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References: <442499441-1331551559-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2071662439-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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Yeah, the Pac-12 got two teams. It was strange though because they went from  everyone predicting just one, assuming Washington won their tourney, to probably getting two, but still possibly only one after Washington lost, to getting two, but neither of them being Washington. That seems to be one place where the prognosticators were more than a bit off. But Cal was one of the last in and has to play a First Four game. 

-Michael
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On Mar 12, 2012, at 7:25 AM, hakirsch at aol.com wrote:

> Impossible. Cal did not win the Pac 12 tourney, colorado did
> 
> Harry
> ------Original Message------
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> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
> Sent: Mar 12, 2012 2:30 AM
> 
> How is it possible that Washington could win their conference regular season 
> championship and NOT make the NCAA tournament?  How could the once vaunted 
> PAC-8/10/12/whatever only get one team (California) in the Dance, and 
> they're only in the First Four? 
> 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Mar 12 07:04:30 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:04:30 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money
	on football
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD68@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-20
12-1#19-northwestern-7
<http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-2
012-1> 

Jeff



From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Mar 12 07:23:29 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:23:29 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most
	money	on football
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD68@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD68@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <000d01cd004a$ef343b50$cd9cb1f0$@com>

Look out, the ROI guys will be out for blood now - we spend more than Cal?

rsl

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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:05 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money on football

http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-20
12-1#19-northwestern-7
<http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-2
012-1> 

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Mar 12 07:25:15 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:25:15 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most
	money	on football
In-Reply-To: <000d01cd004a$ef343b50$cd9cb1f0$@com>
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Don't know what goes into the number, but if it includes the cost of the scholarships, then it does make some sense.

I thought it was interesting that the football program is bringing in more than $8M profit.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:23 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money on football

Look out, the ROI guys will be out for blood now - we spend more than Cal?

rsl

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--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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=================================================
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:05 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money on football

http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-20
12-1#19-northwestern-7
<http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-2
012-1> 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Mar 12 07:56:53 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 08:56:53 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most
	money	on football
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD72@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD68@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <000d01cd004a$ef343b50$cd9cb1f0$@com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD72@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <000101cd004f$99cfc800$cd6f5800$@com>

They have to pay for all those other sports somehow...

But what does State Penn do with all of their "profits" or is that one of the problems up
in Happy Valley.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:25 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money on
football

Don't know what goes into the number, but if it includes the cost of the scholarships,
then it does make some sense.

I thought it was interesting that the football program is bringing in more than $8M
profit.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:23 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money on
football

Look out, the ROI guys will be out for blood now - we spend more than Cal?

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any organizations of which I
am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion
Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and
energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:05 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money on football

http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-20
12-1#19-northwestern-7
<http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-2
012-1> 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Mar 12 08:02:06 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:02:06 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most
	money	on football
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD72@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD68@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <000d01cd004a$ef343b50$cd9cb1f0$@com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD72@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <000201cd0050$54d6f650$fe84e2f0$@com>

Have to wonder what the Basketball numbers are....

Also, I thought NU didn't release salary numbers since we are a "private" university....?

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:25 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money on
football

Don't know what goes into the number, but if it includes the cost of the scholarships,
then it does make some sense.

I thought it was interesting that the football program is bringing in more than $8M
profit.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:23 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money on
football

Look out, the ROI guys will be out for blood now - we spend more than Cal?

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any organizations of which I
am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion
Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and
energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:05 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money on football

http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-20
12-1#19-northwestern-7
<http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-2
012-1> 

Jeff


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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Mar 12 08:06:46 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:06:46 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most
	money	on football
In-Reply-To: <000201cd0050$54d6f650$fe84e2f0$@com>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD68@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <000d01cd004a$ef343b50$cd9cb1f0$@com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD72@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD86@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

They don't say where they get their numbers.  

They did do another article where basketball revenue numbers were added to football numbers.  NU didn't make that list.

http://www.businessinsider.com/these-20-college-sports-programs-are-the-biggest-moneymakers-2012-1

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:02 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money on football

Have to wonder what the Basketball numbers are....

Also, I thought NU didn't release salary numbers since we are a "private" university....?

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:25 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money on
football

Don't know what goes into the number, but if it includes the cost of the scholarships,
then it does make some sense.

I thought it was interesting that the football program is bringing in more than $8M
profit.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:23 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money on
football

Look out, the ROI guys will be out for blood now - we spend more than Cal?

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any organizations of which I
am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion
Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and
energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:05 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money on football

http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-20
12-1#19-northwestern-7
<http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-2
012-1> 

Jeff


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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Mar 12 08:25:32 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:25:32 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
References: <442499441-1331551559-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2071662439-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <C389DB5CAE2D497782EFE23DB2D15D9C@dennismachine>

You're right.  Colorado is in.  But my original question stands.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>; "Willie Weinbaum" 
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?


> Impossible. Cal did not win the Pac 12 tourney, colorado did
>
> Harry
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dennis W. Brandt
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: Willie Weinbaum
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
> Sent: Mar 12, 2012 2:30 AM
>
> How is it possible that Washington could win their conference regular 
> season
> championship and NOT make the NCAA tournament?  How could the once vaunted
> PAC-8/10/12/whatever only get one team (California) in the Dance, and
> they're only in the First Four?
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Mar 12 08:24:17 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:24:17 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
In-Reply-To: <C389DB5CAE2D497782EFE23DB2D15D9C@dennismachine>
References: <442499441-1331551559-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2071662439-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
 <C389DB5CAE2D497782EFE23DB2D15D9C@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <000c01cd0053$6df1c860$49d55920$@com>

The Washington coach was on the radio last night, and he didn't have any explanation of
how they didn't get picked, but he wasn't calling for changes to the system either.

Someone during the interview mentioned it was because of their pre-conference schedule and
one loss to a top RPI team. I guess beating everyone in a down conference doesn't count
any more.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:26 AM
To: hakirsch at aol.com; Willie Weinbaum; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

You're right.  Colorado is in.  But my original question stands.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>; "Willie Weinbaum" 
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?


> Impossible. Cal did not win the Pac 12 tourney, colorado did
>
> Harry
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dennis W. Brandt
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: Willie Weinbaum
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
> Sent: Mar 12, 2012 2:30 AM
>
> How is it possible that Washington could win their conference regular 
> season
> championship and NOT make the NCAA tournament?  How could the once vaunted
> PAC-8/10/12/whatever only get one team (California) in the Dance, and
> they're only in the First Four?
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Mar 12 08:39:59 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:39:59 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the
	mostmoney	on football
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD68@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <000d01cd004a$ef343b50$cd9cb1f0$@com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FD72@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <000101cd004f$99cfc800$cd6f5800$@com>
Message-ID: <7ED67B71A23E4CEB8B1CAB2F739098F1@dennismachine>

Penn State has 25 sports teams on the College Park campus alone and others 
on their satellite campuses all over the state.  Of them all, it's likely 
that football (I don't think any of the satellites has football) - and maybe 
men's basketball - are the only sports that show a profit, although women's 
basketball may have seen a profit this season.  That is at least twenty-two 
sports (that includes cheerleading) that need financial support from that 
big football profit on the main campus alone.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: "'Beamsley, Jeff'" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the 
mostmoney on football


They have to pay for all those other sports somehow...

But what does State Penn do with all of their "profits" or is that one of 
the problems up
in Happy Valley.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats - Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:25 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most 
money on
football

Don't know what goes into the number, but if it includes the cost of the 
scholarships,
then it does make some sense.

I thought it was interesting that the football program is bringing in more 
than $8M
profit.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com]
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:23 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most 
money on
football

Look out, the ROI guys will be out for blood now - we spend more than Cal?

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any 
organizations of which I
am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware 
American Legion
Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
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intelligence and
energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  = 
=  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me 
how to live,'
We're Doomed!"
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On 
Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:05 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most money 
on football

http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-20
12-1#19-northwestern-7
<http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-2
012-1>

Jeff


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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Mon Mar 12 08:46:56 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:46:56 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most
 money on football
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Private institutions (including Northwestern, thought not sure why you put
private in quotes) are typically not covered by freedom of information act
laws and therefore do not have to disclose coaching contracts (unlike
public institutions which are covered; Penn State was an exception, though
reporters used other methods to obtain contracts and information from there
and the state's laws will likely be changed as a result of the recent
scandal).  But, schools must report coaches' salaries to the NCAA per their
own rules.

What is not included, though, are any school affiliated endorsement deals
or extra money for running camps and such which are included in the
contract but not the base salary.  So, Fitz's actual pay is likely higher
than his salary (though doubtful he has a huge shoe/apparel endorsement
paycheck like Urban Meyer as a part of his new deal at OSU).

As discussed previously, NU clearly benefits from its membership in the Big
Ten and the equal revenue sharing of TV/bowl revenues & distribution of
some gate receipts for conference games.  As others have mentioned, NU
needs this money to fund its other 18 competitive sports (as well as club
and intramural programs, I believe, since they fall under the athletic
department), and scholarships DO count as an expense (hence NU's increased
burden relative to other conference members).

Also note that Northwestern tries to run at a net profit of 0 (unlike many
schools that need to dip into general funds or public coffers to cover
losses); many schools do something similar (hence when you see that only a
handful of schools run a profit, it's a bit deceiving as many run at a net
profit of 0, though the many that are in the red are troubling).

I encourage you to look up Northwestern's athletic budget at this Dept of
Ed website: http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/GetOneInstitutionData.aspx

It breaks down revenues and expenses by sport and type of expense (one of
the biggest expense line items is scholarships, a total of $13,798,433).
There's a lot of good data there.

Jonathan

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On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> Have to wonder what the Basketball numbers are....
>
> Also, I thought NU didn't release salary numbers since we are a "private"
> university....?
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:25 AM
> To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most
> money on
> football
>
> Don't know what goes into the number, but if it includes the cost of the
> scholarships,
> then it does make some sense.
>
> I thought it was interesting that the football program is bringing in more
> than $8M
> profit.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com]
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:23 AM
> To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most
> money on
> football
>
> Look out, the ROI guys will be out for blood now - we spend more than Cal?
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any
> organizations of which I
> am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
> http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware
> American Legion
> Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University
> - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom,
> intelligence and
> energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =
>  =  =  =  =  =
> =  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me
> how to live,'
> We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Beamsley, Jeff
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 8:05 AM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] NU 19th on list of 25 schools who spend the most
> money on football
>
> http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-20
> 12-1#19-northwestern-7<http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-20%0A12-1#19-northwestern-7>
> <http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-2
> 012-1<http://www.businessinsider.com/schools-spend-most-money-football-team-2%0A012-1>
> >
>
> Jeff
>
>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Mar 12 08:59:03 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 09:59:03 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
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Seems like the committee has to create a series of filters that allows them to get to 60 or so teams and then they argue about the rest.

The pundits speculate every year on what those filters are going to be based on what past committees have used.

The filters this year appeared to be 20+ wins and then the quality of those wins (versus the quality of losses).  WKU with 15 wins is the only sub-20 team in the field and they are there because they won their tourney.

So even though NU had a high RPI, 18 wins wasn't enough to even be in the debate over who fills the last slots.

It's certainly possible, based on the nature of next year's committee that they will focus on something else and an 18 win team with "good" losses will get in.

Bottom line, at least for a team in the BT, get 20 wins including half your conference games.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:24 AM
To: 'Dennis W. Brandt'; hakirsch at aol.com; 'Willie Weinbaum'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

The Washington coach was on the radio last night, and he didn't have any explanation of
how they didn't get picked, but he wasn't calling for changes to the system either.

Someone during the interview mentioned it was because of their pre-conference schedule and
one loss to a top RPI team. I guess beating everyone in a down conference doesn't count
any more.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:26 AM
To: hakirsch at aol.com; Willie Weinbaum; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

You're right.  Colorado is in.  But my original question stands.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>; "Willie Weinbaum" 
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?


> Impossible. Cal did not win the Pac 12 tourney, colorado did
>
> Harry
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dennis W. Brandt
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: Willie Weinbaum
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
> Sent: Mar 12, 2012 2:30 AM
>
> How is it possible that Washington could win their conference regular 
> season
> championship and NOT make the NCAA tournament?  How could the once vaunted
> PAC-8/10/12/whatever only get one team (California) in the Dance, and
> they're only in the First Four?
>
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Mon Mar 12 09:07:27 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:07:27 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
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Something that I think also helped rule out NU is that they had just 1 good
win (over MSU, a 1 seed, but still just 1).  Their record against RPI top
50 was 1-10, and against top 100 it was 5-13.  They had just 2 Ws over
tourney teams (MSU & Miss Valley St, who won their conference tourney & are
a 16 seed in a play-in game).

NU had a tough strength of schedule and a high RPI thanks to that but just
couldn't beat the good teams they played (and played just decent against
the other decent teams).  I believe the committee looks for teams that can
win tourney games, and NU showed that they just couldn't do that
(particularly away from home: those 2 Ws over tourney teams both came at
home).

In other worse, good wins are valued much more than lack of bad losses.
Maybe NU beat everyone that it definitely should have, but it only beat
tourney worthy teams once despite numerous chances (11, not counting Miss
Valley St).

Jonathan

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On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> Seems like the committee has to create a series of filters that allows
> them to get to 60 or so teams and then they argue about the rest.
>
> The pundits speculate every year on what those filters are going to be
> based on what past committees have used.
>
> The filters this year appeared to be 20+ wins and then the quality of
> those wins (versus the quality of losses).  WKU with 15 wins is the only
> sub-20 team in the field and they are there because they won their tourney.
>
> So even though NU had a high RPI, 18 wins wasn't enough to even be in the
> debate over who fills the last slots.
>
> It's certainly possible, based on the nature of next year's committee that
> they will focus on something else and an 18 win team with "good" losses
> will get in.
>
> Bottom line, at least for a team in the BT, get 20 wins including half
> your conference games.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:24 AM
> To: 'Dennis W. Brandt'; hakirsch at aol.com; 'Willie Weinbaum';
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
>
> The Washington coach was on the radio last night, and he didn't have any
> explanation of
> how they didn't get picked, but he wasn't calling for changes to the
> system either.
>
> Someone during the interview mentioned it was because of their
> pre-conference schedule and
> one loss to a top RPI team. I guess beating everyone in a down conference
> doesn't count
> any more.
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Dennis
> W. Brandt
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:26 AM
> To: hakirsch at aol.com; Willie Weinbaum; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
>
> You're right.  Colorado is in.  But my original question stands.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <hakirsch at aol.com>
> To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>; "Willie Weinbaum"
> <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
>
>
> > Impossible. Cal did not win the Pac 12 tourney, colorado did
> >
> > Harry
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Dennis W. Brandt
> > Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> > To: Willie Weinbaum
> > To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
> > Sent: Mar 12, 2012 2:30 AM
> >
> > How is it possible that Washington could win their conference regular
> > season
> > championship and NOT make the NCAA tournament?  How could the once
> vaunted
> > PAC-8/10/12/whatever only get one team (California) in the Dance, and
> > they're only in the First Four?
> >
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> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
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> >
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>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Mar 12 09:20:32 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:20:32 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
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Jonathan's points support my contention (and others on our list) that we didn't deserve to get in.  Had we got in,it would have been for the wrong reasons.

 We beat the creampuffs pre conference(that is the portion of the schedule of our own making) and lost to all of the good teams(pre conference and conference) save 1. If I attached an blind name to a team with that record ,would any of you had voted for them ? 

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Sender: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:07:27 
To: Beamsley, Jeff<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Cc: Roy S. Lamberton<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; Dennis W. Brandt<tbng at comcast.net>; <hakirsch at aol.com>; Willie Weinbaum<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

Something that I think also helped rule out NU is that they had just 1 good
win (over MSU, a 1 seed, but still just 1).  Their record against RPI top
50 was 1-10, and against top 100 it was 5-13.  They had just 2 Ws over
tourney teams (MSU & Miss Valley St, who won their conference tourney & are
a 16 seed in a play-in game).

NU had a tough strength of schedule and a high RPI thanks to that but just
couldn't beat the good teams they played (and played just decent against
the other decent teams).  I believe the committee looks for teams that can
win tourney games, and NU showed that they just couldn't do that
(particularly away from home: those 2 Ws over tourney teams both came at
home).

In other worse, good wins are valued much more than lack of bad losses.
Maybe NU beat everyone that it definitely should have, but it only beat
tourney worthy teams once despite numerous chances (11, not counting Miss
Valley St).

Jonathan

--
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Contributor, HailToPurple
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Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> Seems like the committee has to create a series of filters that allows
> them to get to 60 or so teams and then they argue about the rest.
>
> The pundits speculate every year on what those filters are going to be
> based on what past committees have used.
>
> The filters this year appeared to be 20+ wins and then the quality of
> those wins (versus the quality of losses).  WKU with 15 wins is the only
> sub-20 team in the field and they are there because they won their tourney.
>
> So even though NU had a high RPI, 18 wins wasn't enough to even be in the
> debate over who fills the last slots.
>
> It's certainly possible, based on the nature of next year's committee that
> they will focus on something else and an 18 win team with "good" losses
> will get in.
>
> Bottom line, at least for a team in the BT, get 20 wins including half
> your conference games.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:24 AM
> To: 'Dennis W. Brandt'; hakirsch at aol.com; 'Willie Weinbaum';
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
>
> The Washington coach was on the radio last night, and he didn't have any
> explanation of
> how they didn't get picked, but he wasn't calling for changes to the
> system either.
>
> Someone during the interview mentioned it was because of their
> pre-conference schedule and
> one loss to a top RPI team. I guess beating everyone in a down conference
> doesn't count
> any more.
>
> rsl
>
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Dennis
> W. Brandt
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:26 AM
> To: hakirsch at aol.com; Willie Weinbaum; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
>
> You're right.  Colorado is in.  But my original question stands.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <hakirsch at aol.com>
> To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>; "Willie Weinbaum"
> <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
>
>
> > Impossible. Cal did not win the Pac 12 tourney, colorado did
> >
> > Harry
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Dennis W. Brandt
> > Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> > To: Willie Weinbaum
> > To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
> > Sent: Mar 12, 2012 2:30 AM
> >
> > How is it possible that Washington could win their conference regular
> > season
> > championship and NOT make the NCAA tournament?  How could the once
> vaunted
> > PAC-8/10/12/whatever only get one team (California) in the Dance, and
> > they're only in the First Four?
> >
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Mon Mar 12 09:24:27 2012
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:24:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
	gloomy and going nowhere
Message-ID: <e763.4caa3263.3c8f611a@aol.com>

My 2 cents. Each year seems to bring some improvements. Granted, these  
improvements are in small increments, nevertheless, I am of the opinion that NU 
 should keep Coach Carmody. Just a gut feeling.
Don Williams, C55

From e-west at northwestern.edu  Mon Mar 12 09:58:41 2012
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:58:41 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
In-Reply-To: <7466A49179B04DDABEB39424B91EE22B@dennismachine>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100CE8F@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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No one really answered Dennis's question, but it's the simple answer: the Pac-12 sucked this year. Like, really sucked. Plus, Washington "won" the regular season primarily because of an uneven conference schedule. Cal beat them in their only matchup and was far more deserving of any at-large bid the Pac-12 might receive.

In other news, given that we weren't really close in the committee's eyes, I am a little peeved at Jerry Palm for keeping us in his predicted bracket right to the end, fueling my stupid false hopes. Maybe he just wanted to make sure we watched the show?

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 4:30 AM
To: Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

How is it possible that Washington could win their conference regular season championship and NOT make the NCAA tournament?  How could the once vaunted PAC-8/10/12/whatever only get one team (California) in the Dance, and they're only in the First Four? 

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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Mon Mar 12 10:02:41 2012
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:02:41 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
 gloomy and going nowhere
In-Reply-To: <000301cd0001$3d113e80$b733bb80$@com>
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Why on earth should we remember a completely false urban legend? Seriously, it is well past time to put that fake Amaker story to bed. Next thing you'll tell me that the library is sinking.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going nowhere


Remember the story about Tommy Amaker's interview at NU.


From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Mar 12 10:16:47 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:16:47 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
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FWIW, I do think Washington would have been invited had Cal won the Pac 12 tourney.  I don't think they would have only had 1 team from the conference

Harry
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Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:58:41 
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

No one really answered Dennis's question, but it's the simple answer: the Pac-12 sucked this year. Like, really sucked. Plus, Washington "won" the regular season primarily because of an uneven conference schedule. Cal beat them in their only matchup and was far more deserving of any at-large bid the Pac-12 might receive.

In other news, given that we weren't really close in the committee's eyes, I am a little peeved at Jerry Palm for keeping us in his predicted bracket right to the end, fueling my stupid false hopes. Maybe he just wanted to make sure we watched the show?

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 4:30 AM
To: Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

How is it possible that Washington could win their conference regular season championship and NOT make the NCAA tournament?  How could the once vaunted PAC-8/10/12/whatever only get one team (California) in the Dance, and they're only in the First Four? 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Mar 12 10:31:07 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:31:07 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
	gloomy and going nowhere
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Funny, I don't remember the story ever being refuted...

Altho I doubt that the admissions folks would look at a blanked out transcript and give an
off the record ruling of admissibility.

We still have to acknowledge that we can only recruit about 25% of the HS Athletic Pool in
any given year, and in the case of Basketball, I suspect that the true number is closer to
20%, based on what I know about the general academic performance of basketball players in
our area even if it is an over simplification of the facts.

The talent pool in Basketball shrinks even further because there are many more Div I
basketball programs playing for the tournaments than football. The Mount St. Mary's of the
world have good programs because they can sell the fact that they are both Div I and
eligible for a tournament that they can regularly make. Cut the number of teams eligible
for the NCAA Tournament to match the number of Div IA (to use the old nomenclature) and
you probably can reduce the NCAA's to 32 teams and play it in a shorter span.

That would also make it easier for NU (and the other academic schools) to recruit top
student-athletes, but I don't expect any change in the tournament, any time soon.

I should point out that many baseball players also fall far short of academic superiority
- maybe it's because they play in the Spring when "the fever" strikes.

(for Jonathan - I put quotes around the private because NU takes government funds for
research just the way the state schools do. While that technically does not impact the
athletic budget, it does impact facilities in the subjects the athletes study, the
professors and instructors, and the general touch and feel of the campus.

Many private schools do not want everyone to know their endowments, their income, or what
they spend the money on, because in one sense, it is nobody's business except the
university's and their students' and parents' concern.)

rsl

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--------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric C
West
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:03 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going nowhere

Why on earth should we remember a completely false urban legend? Seriously, it is well
past time to put that fake Amaker story to bed. Next thing you'll tell me that the library
is sinking.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S.
Lamberton
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going nowhere


Remember the story about Tommy Amaker's interview at NU.

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Mar 12 10:51:10 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 11:51:10 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Bubble?
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I guess I just find the hair shirt that some on the list want our kids
to wear just a little too itchy.

 

Clearly our body of work for this season wasn't sufficient, in the
opinion of the selection committee, to make the cut.  

 

But take a look at the last couple in.  As others have posted, the
PAC-12 this year was a joke.  Cal got the requisite 21 wins, but NONE
came against the RPI top 50.  They were 21-6 against sub RPI-50
competition.  By comparison, NU was 17-3 in sub RPI 50 games.  

 

So did Cal "deserve" to get an invite, or were they the benefit of a
committee who didn't want Colorado to be the lone PAC-12 representative?

 

What do you think our record would have been if we played the same
schedule as Cal?

 

Also what do you think our record would have been if Cobb had played the
whole season?

 

I'm not trying to make excuses for this team.  You have to play the
games on the days that they are scheduled against the team that is
scheduled with whomever on your team is ready to play.  Bottom line is
that we play in a very competitive conference and we need to be able to
win the close games, particularly at home, if we are going to make it to
the tourney.  The team this year, for whatever reasons, couldn't figure
out how to do that.

 

BUT....

 

This team never quit regardless of what fate seemed to throw at them.
As others have said, they represented the school admirably.  I'm proud
of them for their effort and will be cheering them on the NIT run.

 

Jeff

 

BTW, Seton Hall (21-13) certainly wouldn't appreciate being called a
pre-conference cream puff.

 

 

 

From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:21 AM
To: Jonathan Hodges; jonathanwhodges at gmail.com; Beamsley, Jeff
Cc: Roy S. Lamberton; Dennis W. Brandt; Willie Weinbaum;
nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

 

Jonathan's points support my contention (and others on our list) that we
didn't deserve to get in. Had we got in,it would have been for the wrong
reasons.

We beat the creampuffs pre conference(that is the portion of the
schedule of our own making) and lost to all of the good teams(pre
conference and conference) save 1. If I attached an blind name to a team
with that record ,would any of you had voted for them ? 

Harry

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

________________________________

From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> 

Sender: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com 

Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:07:27 -0400

To: Beamsley, Jeff<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>

Cc: Roy S. Lamberton<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; Dennis W.
Brandt<tbng at comcast.net>; <hakirsch at aol.com>; Willie
Weinbaum<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>

Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

 

Something that I think also helped rule out NU is that they had just 1
good win (over MSU, a 1 seed, but still just 1). Their record against
RPI top 50 was 1-10, and against top 100 it was 5-13. They had just 2 Ws
over tourney teams (MSU & Miss Valley St, who won their conference
tourney & are a 16 seed in a play-in game).

NU had a tough strength of schedule and a high RPI thanks to that but
just couldn't beat the good teams they played (and played just decent
against the other decent teams). I believe the committee looks for teams
that can win tourney games, and NU showed that they just couldn't do
that (particularly away from home: those 2 Ws over tourney teams both
came at home).

In other worse, good wins are valued much more than lack of bad losses.
Maybe NU beat everyone that it definitely should have, but it only beat
tourney worthy teams once despite numerous chances (11, not counting
Miss Valley St).

Jonathan

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On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

Seems like the committee has to create a series of filters that allows
them to get to 60 or so teams and then they argue about the rest.

The pundits speculate every year on what those filters are going to be
based on what past committees have used.

The filters this year appeared to be 20+ wins and then the quality of
those wins (versus the quality of losses). WKU with 15 wins is the only
sub-20 team in the field and they are there because they won their
tourney.

So even though NU had a high RPI, 18 wins wasn't enough to even be in
the debate over who fills the last slots.

It's certainly possible, based on the nature of next year's committee
that they will focus on something else and an 18 win team with "good"
losses will get in.

Bottom line, at least for a team in the BT, get 20 wins including half
your conference games.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:24 AM
To: 'Dennis W. Brandt'; hakirsch at aol.com; 'Willie Weinbaum';
nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

The Washington coach was on the radio last night, and he didn't have any
explanation of
how they didn't get picked, but he wasn't calling for changes to the
system either.

Someone during the interview mentioned it was because of their
pre-conference schedule and
one loss to a top RPI team. I guess beating everyone in a down
conference doesn't count
any more.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
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+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
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--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League
Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
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-- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis
W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:26 AM
To: hakirsch at aol.com; Willie Weinbaum; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?

You're right. Colorado is in. But my original question stands.

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From: <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>; "Willie Weinbaum"
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?


> Impossible. Cal did not win the Pac 12 tourney, colorado did
>
> Harry
> ------Original Message------
> From: Dennis W. Brandt
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: Willie Weinbaum
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bubble?
> Sent: Mar 12, 2012 2:30 AM
>
> How is it possible that Washington could win their conference regular
> season
> championship and NOT make the NCAA tournament? How could the once
vaunted
> PAC-8/10/12/whatever only get one team (California) in the Dance, and
> they're only in the First Four?
>
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Mar 12 17:05:40 2012
From: cherron604 at aol.com (chuck herron)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:05:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
	gloomy and going nowhere
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 I was going to ask the same question that Eric raises - what is the source for this Amaker story that gets dragged out constantly ?

Thanks,

 

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
cherron604 at aol.com

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric C West <e-west at northwestern.edu>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:03 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going nowhere


Why on earth should we remember a completely false urban legend? Seriously, it 
is well past time to put that fake Amaker story to bed. Next thing you'll tell 
me that the library is sinking.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


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Of Roy S. Lamberton
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going 
nowhere


Remember the story about Tommy Amaker's interview at NU.

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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Mon Mar 12 17:37:07 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:37:07 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
	gloomy and going nowhere
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I'm with Roy on this one.  Bill Foster brought Tommy Amaker to Evanston to
interview him for the job and offered it to him in 1993, as we all know.
  The story about the transcripts has been talked about in the press for
years and to my knowledge (correct me if I'm wrong), Amaker has never
denied it.

Bernstein even wrote about it a few weeks ago:

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/01/11/bernstein-northwestern-should-just-play-ball/

Has Amaker ever said it was not true?


On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 6:05 PM, chuck herron <cherron604 at aol.com> wrote:

>
>  I was going to ask the same question that Eric raises - what is the
> source for this Amaker story that gets dragged out constantly ?
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
> cherron604 at aol.com
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric C West <e-west at northwestern.edu>
> To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 12, 2012 10:03 am
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and
> going nowhere
>
>
> Why on earth should we remember a completely false urban legend?
> Seriously, it
> is well past time to put that fake Amaker story to bed. Next thing you'll
> tell
> me that the library is sinking.
>
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Roy S. Lamberton
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going
> nowhere
>
>
> Remember the story about Tommy Amaker's interview at NU.
>
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Mar 12 17:48:09 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 17:48:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
In-Reply-To: <CAL_7m5qCi8yDMMC7HYhrqEqL1X829MC9kNiMaE1v=L0TY6GEKQ@mail.gmail.com>
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> Has Amaker ever said it was not true?

Why would he give a rat's a**?  He's not coaching at NU, he's not coaching
in the Big Ten, he's not likely to do either in the foreseeable futuer.  

If coaches had to spend time debunking every story about their actions, 
including ones from many years ago, when would they have time to attend 
to their current coaching duties?

This reminds me of an oft-told story on the Husker List about how a certain
ex-Notre Dame coach was about to be hired by Nebraska.  The source was
said to be the cable installer for the house he had supposedly just 
bought in Lincoln.
--
Mike Nolan


From aaronsament at gmail.com  Mon Mar 12 17:59:48 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:59:48 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
In-Reply-To: <20120312224809.DF34665045@romaine.tssi.com>
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But Coach Foster did have a reason to refute the story, as he was the head coach at both schools.  And he did talk about Northwestern having the higher standards..


On Mar 12, 2012, at 6:48 PM, nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:

>> Has Amaker ever said it was not true?
> 
> Why would he give a rat's a**?  He's not coaching at NU, he's not coaching
> in the Big Ten, he's not likely to do either in the foreseeable futuer.  
> 
> If coaches had to spend time debunking every story about their actions, 
> including ones from many years ago, when would they have time to attend 
> to their current coaching duties?
> 
> This reminds me of an oft-told story on the Husker List about how a certain
> ex-Notre Dame coach was about to be hired by Nebraska.  The source was
> said to be the cable installer for the house he had supposedly just 
> bought in Lincoln.
> --
> Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Mar 12 20:13:11 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:13:11 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
	gloomy and going nowhere
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I went looking for some more data on whether recruiting basketball players is more difficult than recruiting football players.  
 
The basic numbers would suggest no.
 
There are 120 FBS schools each of whom can offer 85 scholarships.  That's 10,200 recruits.
 
There are 345 Div I basketball schools, but each one can only offer 13 scholarships.  That's 4,485 recruits.
 
So just on the face of it, it should be twice as hard to recruit a football player than a basketball player.
 
There are roughly 300,000 high school seniors playing football.
 
There are about 150,000 high school seniors playing boys basketball
 
Since there are half as many basketball players with roughly half as many available scholarships, recruiting challenges for both sports should be about the same.
 
The same statistics should hold for smart kids.  
 
If you assume that intelligence is distributed equally among the populations of basketball and football players, there should be twice as many smart football players available for NU than basketball players, but NU basketball only needs 3-4 basketball recruits every year while football needs 20-25.  
 
So that again suggests that football is harder.
 
Now what about competition.  Who does NU compete with for smart football kids?  Stanford, UoM, Vandy, Duke.
 
So even if we only get to pick after them, we get the 100th good smart football player and we seem to be doing fine find enough kids to have a competitive team.
 
If you run the same math on the basketball side, assume half the number of available recruits, and assume each school is recruiting 4 players a year, NU only has to be number 13 on the list of smart schools to get the 48th smartest basketball player in the country.
 
I think that you can see where I'm going with this.
 
The issue IS NOT academic standards.  There is plenty of supply.
 
The issue is recruiting.
 
NU has a great deal to offer any smart student athlete whether they play football or basketball.
 
It's working in football.  It's not working in basketball.
 
There were plenty of smart football players who didn't even consider going to NU before Gary Barnett came to town because they didn't associate NU football with success.  Barnett, Walker, and Fitz have changed that. 
 
If anything, it is easier on the basketball side because basketball kids start interacting with college coaches in 8th and 9th grade at their AAU camps.  Just as Barnett lit a fire under a whole generation of Chicago area kids that jumped on the NU bandwagon in '95 and '96, we are just on the cusp of sowing those seeds in the Chicago area basketball community.  NU didn't get to the dance this year, but we could win the NIT.
 
There is also a good recruiting class coming in that should add size to our small lineup.  Whether Cobb and Sobo can pick up the slack for Shurna is still to be seen, but there is certainly that possibility.
 
In other words, we are one basketball bandwagon away from a sea change in this program too.
 
Whether Carmody is the guy to take us to the promised land, I don't know.  
 
Barnet and Walker had to give way to Fitz to put us on the consistent upward path in football.
 
We may need a coaching change here too, to get to the next level. 
 
Phillips will have to make that call.
 
But I feel that we will also witness a basketball transformation in the near future at NU similar to what we saw in football.  You could see that in the media leading up to selection Sunday.  
 
Everyone would love to replay the '95 NU Cinderella story for basketball, just have to get invited to the dance.
 
Jeff

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
Sent: Mon 3/12/2012 11:31 AM
To: 'Eric C West'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,gloomy and going nowhere



Funny, I don't remember the story ever being refuted...

Altho I doubt that the admissions folks would look at a blanked out transcript and give an
off the record ruling of admissibility.

We still have to acknowledge that we can only recruit about 25% of the HS Athletic Pool in
any given year, and in the case of Basketball, I suspect that the true number is closer to
20%, based on what I know about the general academic performance of basketball players in
our area even if it is an over simplification of the facts.

The talent pool in Basketball shrinks even further because there are many more Div I
basketball programs playing for the tournaments than football. The Mount St. Mary's of the
world have good programs because they can sell the fact that they are both Div I and
eligible for a tournament that they can regularly make. Cut the number of teams eligible
for the NCAA Tournament to match the number of Div IA (to use the old nomenclature) and
you probably can reduce the NCAA's to 32 teams and play it in a shorter span.

That would also make it easier for NU (and the other academic schools) to recruit top
student-athletes, but I don't expect any change in the tournament, any time soon.

I should point out that many baseball players also fall far short of academic superiority
- maybe it's because they play in the Spring when "the fever" strikes.

(for Jonathan - I put quotes around the private because NU takes government funds for
research just the way the state schools do. While that technically does not impact the
athletic budget, it does impact facilities in the subjects the athletes study, the
professors and instructors, and the general touch and feel of the campus.

Many private schools do not want everyone to know their endowments, their income, or what
they spend the money on, because in one sense, it is nobody's business except the
university's and their students' and parents' concern.)

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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--------------------- Also ----------------------
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  Senior League Softball World Series
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric C
West
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:03 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going nowhere

Why on earth should we remember a completely false urban legend? Seriously, it is well
past time to put that fake Amaker story to bed. Next thing you'll tell me that the library
is sinking.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S.
Lamberton
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going nowhere


Remember the story about Tommy Amaker's interview at NU.

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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Mon Mar 12 20:18:41 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 18:18:41 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
	gloomy and going nowhere
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Jeff, and everyone on the list --

Sorry to be a downer cow, and I would be only too glad to eat these
words in due time, but we are not going to win the NIT.

I wouldn't be surprised if we lose to Akron. I mean, I expect us to
win. But the air is definitely out of the purple balloon.

Intriguing analysis otherwise BTW and thanks to Jeff for doing it ...

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 12, 2012, at 6:13 PM, "Beamsley, Jeff"
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

> I went looking for some more data on whether recruiting basketball players is more difficult than recruiting football players.
>
> The basic numbers would suggest no.
>
> There are 120 FBS schools each of whom can offer 85 scholarships.  That's 10,200 recruits.
>
> There are 345 Div I basketball schools, but each one can only offer 13 scholarships.  That's 4,485 recruits.
>
> So just on the face of it, it should be twice as hard to recruit a football player than a basketball player.
>
> There are roughly 300,000 high school seniors playing football.
>
> There are about 150,000 high school seniors playing boys basketball
>
> Since there are half as many basketball players with roughly half as many available scholarships, recruiting challenges for both sports should be about the same.
>
> The same statistics should hold for smart kids.
>
> If you assume that intelligence is distributed equally among the populations of basketball and football players, there should be twice as many smart football players available for NU than basketball players, but NU basketball only needs 3-4 basketball recruits every year while football needs 20-25.
>
> So that again suggests that football is harder.
>
> Now what about competition.  Who does NU compete with for smart football kids?  Stanford, UoM, Vandy, Duke.
>
> So even if we only get to pick after them, we get the 100th good smart football player and we seem to be doing fine find enough kids to have a competitive team.
>
> If you run the same math on the basketball side, assume half the number of available recruits, and assume each school is recruiting 4 players a year, NU only has to be number 13 on the list of smart schools to get the 48th smartest basketball player in the country.
>
> I think that you can see where I'm going with this.
>
> The issue IS NOT academic standards.  There is plenty of supply.
>
> The issue is recruiting.
>
> NU has a great deal to offer any smart student athlete whether they play football or basketball.
>
> It's working in football.  It's not working in basketball.
>
> There were plenty of smart football players who didn't even consider going to NU before Gary Barnett came to town because they didn't associate NU football with success.  Barnett, Walker, and Fitz have changed that.
>
> If anything, it is easier on the basketball side because basketball kids start interacting with college coaches in 8th and 9th grade at their AAU camps.  Just as Barnett lit a fire under a whole generation of Chicago area kids that jumped on the NU bandwagon in '95 and '96, we are just on the cusp of sowing those seeds in the Chicago area basketball community.  NU didn't get to the dance this year, but we could win the NIT.
>
> There is also a good recruiting class coming in that should add size to our small lineup.  Whether Cobb and Sobo can pick up the slack for Shurna is still to be seen, but there is certainly that possibility.
>
> In other words, we are one basketball bandwagon away from a sea change in this program too.
>
> Whether Carmody is the guy to take us to the promised land, I don't know.
>
> Barnet and Walker had to give way to Fitz to put us on the consistent upward path in football.
>
> We may need a coaching change here too, to get to the next level.
>
> Phillips will have to make that call.
>
> But I feel that we will also witness a basketball transformation in the near future at NU similar to what we saw in football.  You could see that in the media leading up to selection Sunday.
>
> Everyone would love to replay the '95 NU Cinderella story for basketball, just have to get invited to the dance.
>
> Jeff
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
> Sent: Mon 3/12/2012 11:31 AM
> To: 'Eric C West'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,gloomy and going nowhere
>
>
>
> Funny, I don't remember the story ever being refuted...
>
> Altho I doubt that the admissions folks would look at a blanked out transcript and give an
> off the record ruling of admissibility.
>
> We still have to acknowledge that we can only recruit about 25% of the HS Athletic Pool in
> any given year, and in the case of Basketball, I suspect that the true number is closer to
> 20%, based on what I know about the general academic performance of basketball players in
> our area even if it is an over simplification of the facts.
>
> The talent pool in Basketball shrinks even further because there are many more Div I
> basketball programs playing for the tournaments than football. The Mount St. Mary's of the
> world have good programs because they can sell the fact that they are both Div I and
> eligible for a tournament that they can regularly make. Cut the number of teams eligible
> for the NCAA Tournament to match the number of Div IA (to use the old nomenclature) and
> you probably can reduce the NCAA's to 32 teams and play it in a shorter span.
>
> That would also make it easier for NU (and the other academic schools) to recruit top
> student-athletes, but I don't expect any change in the tournament, any time soon.
>
> I should point out that many baseball players also fall far short of academic superiority
> - maybe it's because they play in the Spring when "the fever" strikes.
>
> (for Jonathan - I put quotes around the private because NU takes government funds for
> research just the way the state schools do. While that technically does not impact the
> athletic budget, it does impact facilities in the subjects the athletes study, the
> professors and instructors, and the general touch and feel of the campus.
>
> Many private schools do not want everyone to know their endowments, their income, or what
> they spend the money on, because in one sense, it is nobody's business except the
> university's and their students' and parents' concern.)
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org <http://coachroy.org/>
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric C
> West
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:03 AM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going nowhere
>
> Why on earth should we remember a completely false urban legend? Seriously, it is well
> past time to put that fake Amaker story to bed. Next thing you'll tell me that the library
> is sinking.
>
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S.
> Lamberton
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going nowhere
>
>
> Remember the story about Tommy Amaker's interview at NU.
>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Mar 12 20:43:31 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:43:31 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
	gloomy and going nowhere
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NU is 17-3 against sub-50 RPI teams.  
 
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that any of the teams in the NIT have an RPI greater than 50.
 
This team also has the experience to playing in the NIT last year.
 
Finally, the game against Akron is at home, which should help.  But I agree that Akron may be the toughest match-up we see.
 
Jeff
 
 
 

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From: Alan Abrahamson [mailto:alan.abrahamson at gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 3/12/2012 9:18 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff
Cc: Roy S. Lamberton; Eric C West; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going nowhere



Jeff, and everyone on the list --

Sorry to be a downer cow, and I would be only too glad to eat these
words in due time, but we are not going to win the NIT.

I wouldn't be surprised if we lose to Akron. I mean, I expect us to
win. But the air is definitely out of the purple balloon.

Intriguing analysis otherwise BTW and thanks to Jeff for doing it ...

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 12, 2012, at 6:13 PM, "Beamsley, Jeff"
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

> I went looking for some more data on whether recruiting basketball players is more difficult than recruiting football players.
>
> The basic numbers would suggest no.
>
> There are 120 FBS schools each of whom can offer 85 scholarships.  That's 10,200 recruits.
>
> There are 345 Div I basketball schools, but each one can only offer 13 scholarships.  That's 4,485 recruits.
>
> So just on the face of it, it should be twice as hard to recruit a football player than a basketball player.
>
> There are roughly 300,000 high school seniors playing football.
>
> There are about 150,000 high school seniors playing boys basketball
>
> Since there are half as many basketball players with roughly half as many available scholarships, recruiting challenges for both sports should be about the same.
>
> The same statistics should hold for smart kids.
>
> If you assume that intelligence is distributed equally among the populations of basketball and football players, there should be twice as many smart football players available for NU than basketball players, but NU basketball only needs 3-4 basketball recruits every year while football needs 20-25.
>
> So that again suggests that football is harder.
>
> Now what about competition.  Who does NU compete with for smart football kids?  Stanford, UoM, Vandy, Duke.
>
> So even if we only get to pick after them, we get the 100th good smart football player and we seem to be doing fine find enough kids to have a competitive team.
>
> If you run the same math on the basketball side, assume half the number of available recruits, and assume each school is recruiting 4 players a year, NU only has to be number 13 on the list of smart schools to get the 48th smartest basketball player in the country.
>
> I think that you can see where I'm going with this.
>
> The issue IS NOT academic standards.  There is plenty of supply.
>
> The issue is recruiting.
>
> NU has a great deal to offer any smart student athlete whether they play football or basketball.
>
> It's working in football.  It's not working in basketball.
>
> There were plenty of smart football players who didn't even consider going to NU before Gary Barnett came to town because they didn't associate NU football with success.  Barnett, Walker, and Fitz have changed that.
>
> If anything, it is easier on the basketball side because basketball kids start interacting with college coaches in 8th and 9th grade at their AAU camps.  Just as Barnett lit a fire under a whole generation of Chicago area kids that jumped on the NU bandwagon in '95 and '96, we are just on the cusp of sowing those seeds in the Chicago area basketball community.  NU didn't get to the dance this year, but we could win the NIT.
>
> There is also a good recruiting class coming in that should add size to our small lineup.  Whether Cobb and Sobo can pick up the slack for Shurna is still to be seen, but there is certainly that possibility.
>
> In other words, we are one basketball bandwagon away from a sea change in this program too.
>
> Whether Carmody is the guy to take us to the promised land, I don't know.
>
> Barnet and Walker had to give way to Fitz to put us on the consistent upward path in football.
>
> We may need a coaching change here too, to get to the next level.
>
> Phillips will have to make that call.
>
> But I feel that we will also witness a basketball transformation in the near future at NU similar to what we saw in football.  You could see that in the media leading up to selection Sunday.
>
> Everyone would love to replay the '95 NU Cinderella story for basketball, just have to get invited to the dance.
>
> Jeff
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
> Sent: Mon 3/12/2012 11:31 AM
> To: 'Eric C West'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,gloomy and going nowhere
>
>
>
> Funny, I don't remember the story ever being refuted...
>
> Altho I doubt that the admissions folks would look at a blanked out transcript and give an
> off the record ruling of admissibility.
>
> We still have to acknowledge that we can only recruit about 25% of the HS Athletic Pool in
> any given year, and in the case of Basketball, I suspect that the true number is closer to
> 20%, based on what I know about the general academic performance of basketball players in
> our area even if it is an over simplification of the facts.
>
> The talent pool in Basketball shrinks even further because there are many more Div I
> basketball programs playing for the tournaments than football. The Mount St. Mary's of the
> world have good programs because they can sell the fact that they are both Div I and
> eligible for a tournament that they can regularly make. Cut the number of teams eligible
> for the NCAA Tournament to match the number of Div IA (to use the old nomenclature) and
> you probably can reduce the NCAA's to 32 teams and play it in a shorter span.
>
> That would also make it easier for NU (and the other academic schools) to recruit top
> student-athletes, but I don't expect any change in the tournament, any time soon.
>
> I should point out that many baseball players also fall far short of academic superiority
> - maybe it's because they play in the Spring when "the fever" strikes.
>
> (for Jonathan - I put quotes around the private because NU takes government funds for
> research just the way the state schools do. While that technically does not impact the
> athletic budget, it does impact facilities in the subjects the athletes study, the
> professors and instructors, and the general touch and feel of the campus.
>
> Many private schools do not want everyone to know their endowments, their income, or what
> they spend the money on, because in one sense, it is nobody's business except the
> university's and their students' and parents' concern.)
>
> rsl
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric C
> West
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 11:03 AM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going nowhere
>
> Why on earth should we remember a completely false urban legend? Seriously, it is well
> past time to put that fake Amaker story to bed. Next thing you'll tell me that the library
> is sinking.
>
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S.
> Lamberton
> Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 10:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim, gloomy and going nowhere
>
>
> Remember the story about Tommy Amaker's interview at NU.
>
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Tue Mar 13 09:25:19 2012
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:25:19 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
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*Sigh* I'm not sure what kind of point "reason to refute" is trying to make. The fact is it's not true, and everyone who works (or has worked) in the Admission Office knows it's not true, and anyone with even a smattering of knowledge about NCAA compliance knows that it could not possibly be true. Who cares about refuting? Eddie Murphy has refuted that story about him with some lady in an elevator countless times but people still insist to his face that it's factual. That's what happens with urban legends.

This was already a dead horse twelve years ago. Whatever actually happened with Amaker, any "kernel of truth" has been overwhelmed by a fake story. I know urban legends can't be quashed completely, but we can at least stop using them to "support" whatever argument we're making.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Ament
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:00 PM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,

But Coach Foster did have a reason to refute the story, as he was the head coach at both schools.  And he did talk about Northwestern having the higher standards..


On Mar 12, 2012, at 6:48 PM, nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:

>> Has Amaker ever said it was not true?
> 
> Why would he give a rat's a**?  He's not coaching at NU, he's not 
> coaching in the Big Ten, he's not likely to do either in the foreseeable futuer.
> 
> If coaches had to spend time debunking every story about their 
> actions, including ones from many years ago, when would they have time 
> to attend to their current coaching duties?
> 
> This reminds me of an oft-told story on the Husker List about how a 
> certain ex-Notre Dame coach was about to be hired by Nebraska.  The 
> source was said to be the cable installer for the house he had 
> supposedly just bought in Lincoln.
> --
> Mike Nolan

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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 09:50:24 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:50:24 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
In-Reply-To: <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1366EEC@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>
References: <20120312224809.DF34665045@romaine.tssi.com>
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I think Roy's main point is that Duke takes players with SAT scores below a minimum threshold that Northwestern will go below.  I'm not aware of any basketball player at NU that was admitted with a score under 1000.

And yes, as an attorney who represents  the interests of several universities, I am interested in exactly what bylaws you are referring to when you say "anyone with even a smattering of knowledge about NCAA compliance knows that it could not possibly be true." ?  Is there a bylaw that prohibits the sharing of a blind transcript of a former student with his consent?


On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Eric C West <e-west at northwestern.edu> wrote:

> *Sigh* I'm not sure what kind of point "reason to refute" is trying to make. The fact is it's not true, and everyone who works (or has worked) in the Admission Office knows it's not true, and anyone with even a smattering of knowledge about NCAA compliance knows that it could not possibly be true. Who cares about refuting? Eddie Murphy has refuted that story about him with some lady in an elevator countless times but people still insist to his face that it's factual. That's what happens with urban legends.
> 
> This was already a dead horse twelve years ago. Whatever actually happened with Amaker, any "kernel of truth" has been overwhelmed by a fake story. I know urban legends can't be quashed completely, but we can at least stop using them to "support" whatever argument we're making.
> 
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Ament
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:00 PM
> To: Mike Nolan
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
> 
> But Coach Foster did have a reason to refute the story, as he was the head coach at both schools.  And he did talk about Northwestern having the higher standards..
> 
> 
> On Mar 12, 2012, at 6:48 PM, nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:
> 
>>> Has Amaker ever said it was not true?
>> 
>> Why would he give a rat's a**?  He's not coaching at NU, he's not 
>> coaching in the Big Ten, he's not likely to do either in the foreseeable futuer.
>> 
>> If coaches had to spend time debunking every story about their 
>> actions, including ones from many years ago, when would they have time 
>> to attend to their current coaching duties?
>> 
>> This reminds me of an oft-told story on the Husker List about how a 
>> certain ex-Notre Dame coach was about to be hired by Nebraska.  The 
>> source was said to be the cable installer for the house he had 
>> supposedly just bought in Lincoln.
>> --
>> Mike Nolan
> 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Mar 13 09:59:38 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:59:38 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC65FF04@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

In looking for something to help Eric out with the urban legend that is
Tommy Amaker, I found this great article that goes in depth on Harvard's
recent basketball success.

http://www.ballinisahabit.net/2011/08/rise-of-crimson-how-harvard-went-f
rom.html

"We're very comfortable with who we are," Harvard assistant coach Yanni
Hufnagel told me by phone on Tuesday night. "We know that we're an Ivy.
We know that we might not have the biggest arena or the best locker
room. But what we think we have here is the best brand in the world and
an incredible environment for the right kid." 

"[The kids we recruit] come from great families who understand that
Harvard's not a four year decision, it's a 40 year decision."

As Hufnagel explains it, the high academic requirement actually works in
their favor. Whereas some of the bigger programs can literally recruit
any kid in the country that is capable of signing his name on a letter
of intent, Harvard has to narrow down their search. The pool of kids
they can choose from is limited. And while that requires the coaching
staff to do their due diligence identifying potential recruits, it also
allows them to focus their energy on the kids that they know they can
get into school. 

"We've been very aggressive in trying to figure out who we want to
recruit," Hufnagel said. "We want to get the best players in the country
who are academically motivated and who are looking to take a little bit
of a different path to greatness." 

Hufnagel also stressed the value of building a strong relationship not
only with the kid he is recruiting, but with the people in his life on a
day-to-day basis. 

"That's important," he said. "Without a strong relationship, we've got
very little chance to have the kind of success we're having and hope to
have in the future."


Bottom line, this is the same formula that Fitz uses to recruit smart
competitive football players.  

It works the same way in basketball. 

If there are enough smart good basketball players willing to more or
less pay their own way to play for Harvard, there are also enough smart
good basketball players who would value a free NU education.  Just have
to find them, create a relationship with them and their families as they
enter high school, and then welcome them when it is time for them to
choose a college.

Jeff





From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Mar 13 10:24:22 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:24:22 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
In-Reply-To: <4AE2556F-A08D-4A4E-A043-C7D7A9F607AB@gmail.com>
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I do know this about Duke:

A few years back it was reported in the press (somewhere) that they had established a 3
year, Sports Marketing and Management program specifically geared towards the basketball
team.

It was structured so that top players at Duke could not only compete for the team, but
graduate in 3 years, allowing them to go pro with a degree, or stick around and take
higher level courses for their 4th years. 

I have no idea whether this program was ever used, or if it still exists, but if you work
with college kids long enough, you know that kids with borderline scores can be helped
through college, especially if they are really smarter than their ACT or SAT scores
indicate.

There is also the story about the big transfer from Duke - he had a problem going to
class, remember? He was reported to have said that at Duke, you got a note in your locker
when you absolutely had to attend a class session. NU Basketball requires that everyone
attend every class session, unless you are on the road, and I guess he had a problem doing
that.

Maryland had a kid who had sub 800's, who went to an SAT class, and pulled his scores way
above 1,000. It wasn't that he didn't have the native intellect, it was that the public
schools had failed to teach him how to read, and by extension analyze what he read. As I
remember, this kid graduated and is a teacher/coach somewhere in Baltimore. At first,
Maryland didn't believe the improvement in the scores, but he turned out to be one of the
smarter kids on the team.

We can also point to our own Michael Wilbon - who by his own admission (I heard him in
person) did not have a high enough "score" to get into Medill. He interviewed and
convinced the interviewer that he would be an ace student, and a credit to the school if
they let him in - they did and we can watch him on TV just about every night.

One of the reasons I liked attending Northwestern was a major difference in attitude among
the profs. At other schools, there was always the feeling that they wanted you to fail and
leave so they only had to deal with the really smart kids.

At NU, the assumption was always that you were going to graduate. You were going to do the
work, but I always thought that nothing was impossible if you worked at it while I was at
NU. Of course, I was older, and had been a writer/analyst for four years in the Navy, so I
was used to writing on deadline, but the time I spent in Evanston was really without the
pressure to succeed. You did the work, you read the books, and you wrote the papers, and
everyone in the Speech school, at least, was supportive if you met the standard.

I also had a fraternity brother who was an NU 6 Year Medical guy - I'd never met a relaxed
Pre-Med student before, but this guy could take time to work out stuff that most pre-meds
couldn't because they were chasing "A's"

The bottom line for me still is that whomever we have as a coach at NU is recruiting out
of a 3 foot hole. It takes special kids like Jitim, and Tavaras, and Juice, and Shurna
(and Shon, And Esch and back into history) who have the drive to both play Div I
basketball AND keep up their coursework so they can graduate. Nobody has done a "where are
they now" on the 1960-70's basketball team - We know what Shon and a few others have
achieved, I'd love to see just what some of those other guys in the record books are doing
now.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Aaron
Ament
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:50 AM
To: Eric C West
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,

I think Roy's main point is that Duke takes players with SAT scores below a minimum
threshold that Northwestern will go below.  I'm not aware of any basketball player at NU
that was admitted with a score under 1000.

And yes, as an attorney who represents  the interests of several universities, I am
interested in exactly what bylaws you are referring to when you say "anyone with even a
smattering of knowledge about NCAA compliance knows that it could not possibly be true." ?
Is there a bylaw that prohibits the sharing of a blind transcript of a former student with
his consent?


On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Eric C West <e-west at northwestern.edu> wrote:

> *Sigh* I'm not sure what kind of point "reason to refute" is trying to make. The fact is
it's not true, and everyone who works (or has worked) in the Admission Office knows it's
not true, and anyone with even a smattering of knowledge about NCAA compliance knows that
it could not possibly be true. Who cares about refuting? Eddie Murphy has refuted that
story about him with some lady in an elevator countless times but people still insist to
his face that it's factual. That's what happens with urban legends.
> 
> This was already a dead horse twelve years ago. Whatever actually happened with Amaker,
any "kernel of truth" has been overwhelmed by a fake story. I know urban legends can't be
quashed completely, but we can at least stop using them to "support" whatever argument
we're making.
> 
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] 
> On Behalf Of Aaron Ament
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:00 PM
> To: Mike Nolan
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] future of basketball at NU? Grim,
> 
> But Coach Foster did have a reason to refute the story, as he was the head coach at both
schools.  And he did talk about Northwestern having the higher standards..
> 
> 
> On Mar 12, 2012, at 6:48 PM, nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:
> 
>>> Has Amaker ever said it was not true?
>> 
>> Why would he give a rat's a**?  He's not coaching at NU, he's not 
>> coaching in the Big Ten, he's not likely to do either in the foreseeable futuer.
>> 
>> If coaches had to spend time debunking every story about their 
>> actions, including ones from many years ago, when would they have 
>> time to attend to their current coaching duties?
>> 
>> This reminds me of an oft-told story on the Husker List about how a 
>> certain ex-Notre Dame coach was about to be hired by Nebraska.  The 
>> source was said to be the cable installer for the house he had 
>> supposedly just bought in Lincoln.
>> --
>> Mike Nolan
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Mar 13 10:43:24 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:43:24 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
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 But what would Harvard's record be in the Big 10? As good as NU's, Worse?

It is all speculation, but I'm pretty sure that BC in the Big 10 has to recruit some
better athletes to stay competitive with the rest of the conference. Just my opinion...

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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=================================================
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:00 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU

In looking for something to help Eric out with the urban legend that is Tommy Amaker, I
found this great article that goes in depth on Harvard's recent basketball success.

http://www.ballinisahabit.net/2011/08/rise-of-crimson-how-harvard-went-f
rom.html

"We're very comfortable with who we are," Harvard assistant coach Yanni Hufnagel told me
by phone on Tuesday night. "We know that we're an Ivy.
We know that we might not have the biggest arena or the best locker room. But what we
think we have here is the best brand in the world and an incredible environment for the
right kid." 

"[The kids we recruit] come from great families who understand that Harvard's not a four
year decision, it's a 40 year decision."

As Hufnagel explains it, the high academic requirement actually works in their favor.
Whereas some of the bigger programs can literally recruit any kid in the country that is
capable of signing his name on a letter of intent, Harvard has to narrow down their
search. The pool of kids they can choose from is limited. And while that requires the
coaching staff to do their due diligence identifying potential recruits, it also allows
them to focus their energy on the kids that they know they can get into school. 

"We've been very aggressive in trying to figure out who we want to recruit," Hufnagel
said. "We want to get the best players in the country who are academically motivated and
who are looking to take a little bit of a different path to greatness." 

Hufnagel also stressed the value of building a strong relationship not only with the kid
he is recruiting, but with the people in his life on a day-to-day basis. 

"That's important," he said. "Without a strong relationship, we've got very little chance
to have the kind of success we're having and hope to have in the future."


Bottom line, this is the same formula that Fitz uses to recruit smart competitive football
players.  

It works the same way in basketball. 

If there are enough smart good basketball players willing to more or less pay their own
way to play for Harvard, there are also enough smart good basketball players who would
value a free NU education.  Just have to find them, create a relationship with them and
their families as they enter high school, and then welcome them when it is time for them
to choose a college.

Jeff




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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Mar 13 10:58:09 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 15:58:09 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
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Harvard was ranked this year, we weren't. The pollsters obviously feel they were better than us. 

They are supposed to take into account ease of conference, ease of schedule and assuming they did,they still concluded that they were better.  A good test is to see how they do in the tourney. Of course , that test is not always a good one.  In the early 80's Depaul was seated first at least 2 years in a row, and maybe a third, and lost all 3  times  in the opening round.

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:43:24 
To: 'Beamsley, Jeff'<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU

 But what would Harvard's record be in the Big 10? As good as NU's, Worse?

It is all speculation, but I'm pretty sure that BC in the Big 10 has to recruit some
better athletes to stay competitive with the rest of the conference. Just my opinion...

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:00 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU

In looking for something to help Eric out with the urban legend that is Tommy Amaker, I
found this great article that goes in depth on Harvard's recent basketball success.

http://www.ballinisahabit.net/2011/08/rise-of-crimson-how-harvard-went-f
rom.html

"We're very comfortable with who we are," Harvard assistant coach Yanni Hufnagel told me
by phone on Tuesday night. "We know that we're an Ivy.
We know that we might not have the biggest arena or the best locker room. But what we
think we have here is the best brand in the world and an incredible environment for the
right kid." 

"[The kids we recruit] come from great families who understand that Harvard's not a four
year decision, it's a 40 year decision."

As Hufnagel explains it, the high academic requirement actually works in their favor.
Whereas some of the bigger programs can literally recruit any kid in the country that is
capable of signing his name on a letter of intent, Harvard has to narrow down their
search. The pool of kids they can choose from is limited. And while that requires the
coaching staff to do their due diligence identifying potential recruits, it also allows
them to focus their energy on the kids that they know they can get into school. 

"We've been very aggressive in trying to figure out who we want to recruit," Hufnagel
said. "We want to get the best players in the country who are academically motivated and
who are looking to take a little bit of a different path to greatness." 

Hufnagel also stressed the value of building a strong relationship not only with the kid
he is recruiting, but with the people in his life on a day-to-day basis. 

"That's important," he said. "Without a strong relationship, we've got very little chance
to have the kind of success we're having and hope to have in the future."


Bottom line, this is the same formula that Fitz uses to recruit smart competitive football
players.  

It works the same way in basketball. 

If there are enough smart good basketball players willing to more or less pay their own
way to play for Harvard, there are also enough smart good basketball players who would
value a free NU education.  Just have to find them, create a relationship with them and
their families as they enter high school, and then welcome them when it is time for them
to choose a college.

Jeff




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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Mar 13 12:00:18 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:00:18 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
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Which still leaves my original question open, would Harvard finish in the top 7 in the Big
10 with their present players, and the rest of the conference....

While they would probably adjust, I think a full schedule I the Big 10 is a lot tougher
than the Ivy League, even with Princeton and Yale.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:58 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; 'Beamsley, Jeff'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU

Harvard was ranked this year, we weren't. The pollsters obviously feel they were better
than us. 

They are supposed to take into account ease of conference, ease of schedule and assuming
they did,they still concluded that they were better.  A good test is to see how they do in
the tourney. Of course , that test is not always a good one.  In the early 80's Depaul was
seated first at least 2 years in a row, and maybe a third, and lost all 3  times  in the
opening round.

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:43:24
To: 'Beamsley, Jeff'<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU

 But what would Harvard's record be in the Big 10? As good as NU's, Worse?

It is all speculation, but I'm pretty sure that BC in the Big 10 has to recruit some
better athletes to stay competitive with the rest of the conference. Just my opinion...

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any organizations of which I
am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion
Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and
energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:00 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU

In looking for something to help Eric out with the urban legend that is Tommy Amaker, I
found this great article that goes in depth on Harvard's recent basketball success.

http://www.ballinisahabit.net/2011/08/rise-of-crimson-how-harvard-went-f
rom.html

"We're very comfortable with who we are," Harvard assistant coach Yanni Hufnagel told me
by phone on Tuesday night. "We know that we're an Ivy.
We know that we might not have the biggest arena or the best locker room. But what we
think we have here is the best brand in the world and an incredible environment for the
right kid." 

"[The kids we recruit] come from great families who understand that Harvard's not a four
year decision, it's a 40 year decision."

As Hufnagel explains it, the high academic requirement actually works in their favor.
Whereas some of the bigger programs can literally recruit any kid in the country that is
capable of signing his name on a letter of intent, Harvard has to narrow down their
search. The pool of kids they can choose from is limited. And while that requires the
coaching staff to do their due diligence identifying potential recruits, it also allows
them to focus their energy on the kids that they know they can get into school. 

"We've been very aggressive in trying to figure out who we want to recruit," Hufnagel
said. "We want to get the best players in the country who are academically motivated and
who are looking to take a little bit of a different path to greatness." 

Hufnagel also stressed the value of building a strong relationship not only with the kid
he is recruiting, but with the people in his life on a day-to-day basis. 

"That's important," he said. "Without a strong relationship, we've got very little chance
to have the kind of success we're having and hope to have in the future."


Bottom line, this is the same formula that Fitz uses to recruit smart competitive football
players.  

It works the same way in basketball. 

If there are enough smart good basketball players willing to more or less pay their own
way to play for Harvard, there are also enough smart good basketball players who would
value a free NU education.  Just have to find them, create a relationship with them and
their families as they enter high school, and then welcome them when it is time for them
to choose a college.

Jeff




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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 12:13:40 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:13:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
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For what it's worth, Sagarin ratings would put Harvard in 7th place in the Big 10, just above Minny and NU.?

They had one nice win against FSU, but only had one other game against a top 50 team, which they lost. So, not a lot of information to go on as to how well they would fare against the Big 10.?

Tom






>________________________________
> From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
>To: hakirsch at aol.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; "'Beamsley, Jeff'" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
> 
>Which still leaves my original question open, would Harvard finish in the top 7 in the Big
>10 with their present players, and the rest of the conference....
>
>While they would probably adjust, I think a full schedule I the Big 10 is a lot tougher
>than the Ivy League, even with Princeton and Yale.
>
>rsl
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
>those of any organizations of which I am a member.
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>Computer Applications & Support Associates
>Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
>--------------------- Also ----------------------
>"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
>Director Media Relations - Little League 
>? Senior League Softball World Series
>CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
>Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
>Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
>Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
>=================================================
>There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
>love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
>cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
>=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
>If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
>tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
>===========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:58 AM
>To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; 'Beamsley, Jeff'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
>
>Harvard was ranked this year, we weren't. The pollsters obviously feel they were better
>than us. 
>
>They are supposed to take into account ease of conference, ease of schedule and assuming
>they did,they still concluded that they were better.? A good test is to see how they do in
>the tourney. Of course , that test is not always a good one.? In the early 80's Depaul was
>seated first at least 2 years in a row, and maybe a third, and lost all 3? times? in the
>opening round.
>
>Harry
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
>Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:43:24
>To: 'Beamsley, Jeff'<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
>
>But what would Harvard's record be in the Big 10? As good as NU's, Worse?
>
>It is all speculation, but I'm pretty sure that BC in the Big 10 has to recruit some
>better athletes to stay competitive with the rest of the conference. Just my opinion...
>
>rsl
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any organizations of which I
>am a member.
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
>http://coachroy.org
>--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion
>Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
>? Senior League Softball World Series
>CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
>Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
>=================================================
>There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and
>energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
>=? =? =? =? =? = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
>We're Doomed!"
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
>===========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
>Beamsley, Jeff
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:00 AM
>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
>
>In looking for something to help Eric out with the urban legend that is Tommy Amaker, I
>found this great article that goes in depth on Harvard's recent basketball success.
>
>http://www.ballinisahabit.net/2011/08/rise-of-crimson-how-harvard-went-f
>rom.html
>
>"We're very comfortable with who we are," Harvard assistant coach Yanni Hufnagel told me
>by phone on Tuesday night. "We know that we're an Ivy.
>We know that we might not have the biggest arena or the best locker room. But what we
>think we have here is the best brand in the world and an incredible environment for the
>right kid." 
>
>"[The kids we recruit] come from great families who understand that Harvard's not a four
>year decision, it's a 40 year decision."
>
>As Hufnagel explains it, the high academic requirement actually works in their favor.
>Whereas some of the bigger programs can literally recruit any kid in the country that is
>capable of signing his name on a letter of intent, Harvard has to narrow down their
>search. The pool of kids they can choose from is limited. And while that requires the
>coaching staff to do their due diligence identifying potential recruits, it also allows
>them to focus their energy on the kids that they know they can get into school. 
>
>"We've been very aggressive in trying to figure out who we want to recruit," Hufnagel
>said. "We want to get the best players in the country who are academically motivated and
>who are looking to take a little bit of a different path to greatness." 
>
>Hufnagel also stressed the value of building a strong relationship not only with the kid
>he is recruiting, but with the people in his life on a day-to-day basis. 
>
>"That's important," he said. "Without a strong relationship, we've got very little chance
>to have the kind of success we're having and hope to have in the future."
>
>
>Bottom line, this is the same formula that Fitz uses to recruit smart competitive football
>players.? 
>
>It works the same way in basketball. 
>
>If there are enough smart good basketball players willing to more or less pay their own
>way to play for Harvard, there are also enough smart good basketball players who would
>value a free NU education.? Just have to find them, create a relationship with them and
>their families as they enter high school, and then welcome them when it is time for them
>to choose a college.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 12:14:23 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 10:14:23 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Bring Your Champions, They're Our Meat
Message-ID: <CAN7senhcYoH-gaNDumrARq0probfz+7KzbwfZspJS6N+qhSoGw@mail.gmail.com>

Even by his standards, Sunday's (the most recent) post -- about us not
making the tourney -- is really funny.

He has inserted into the post, among other works of art, Norwegian painter
Christian Krohg's painting of the great explorer Leif Erikson heading off
to North America, "where Northwestern will still not be in the NCAA
Tournament."

Highly recommended.

At http://bit.ly/xGYB0U

From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Mar 13 12:32:00 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:32:00 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
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No one can know the answer. Just as asking how would Kentucky have fared in the BT this year ?

But given the lack of BT games played by Harvard, we can only go on subjective rankings. Based on that, depending upon which supposed expert(s) you listen to, they would have finished at least in  the top half. Would they have actually been there after a grueling BT let 'em play schedule ?   Hard to say, but would have been interesting.  How would NU have fared in the Ivy League ?  Your guess is as good as mine

Harry 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:00:18 
To: <hakirsch at aol.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; 'Beamsley, Jeff'<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU

Which still leaves my original question open, would Harvard finish in the top 7 in the Big
10 with their present players, and the rest of the conference....

While they would probably adjust, I think a full schedule I the Big 10 is a lot tougher
than the Ivy League, even with Princeton and Yale.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:58 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; 'Beamsley, Jeff'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU

Harvard was ranked this year, we weren't. The pollsters obviously feel they were better
than us. 

They are supposed to take into account ease of conference, ease of schedule and assuming
they did,they still concluded that they were better.  A good test is to see how they do in
the tourney. Of course , that test is not always a good one.  In the early 80's Depaul was
seated first at least 2 years in a row, and maybe a third, and lost all 3  times  in the
opening round.

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:43:24
To: 'Beamsley, Jeff'<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU

 But what would Harvard's record be in the Big 10? As good as NU's, Worse?

It is all speculation, but I'm pretty sure that BC in the Big 10 has to recruit some
better athletes to stay competitive with the rest of the conference. Just my opinion...

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any organizations of which I
am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion
Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and
energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:00 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU

In looking for something to help Eric out with the urban legend that is Tommy Amaker, I
found this great article that goes in depth on Harvard's recent basketball success.

http://www.ballinisahabit.net/2011/08/rise-of-crimson-how-harvard-went-f
rom.html

"We're very comfortable with who we are," Harvard assistant coach Yanni Hufnagel told me
by phone on Tuesday night. "We know that we're an Ivy.
We know that we might not have the biggest arena or the best locker room. But what we
think we have here is the best brand in the world and an incredible environment for the
right kid." 

"[The kids we recruit] come from great families who understand that Harvard's not a four
year decision, it's a 40 year decision."

As Hufnagel explains it, the high academic requirement actually works in their favor.
Whereas some of the bigger programs can literally recruit any kid in the country that is
capable of signing his name on a letter of intent, Harvard has to narrow down their
search. The pool of kids they can choose from is limited. And while that requires the
coaching staff to do their due diligence identifying potential recruits, it also allows
them to focus their energy on the kids that they know they can get into school. 

"We've been very aggressive in trying to figure out who we want to recruit," Hufnagel
said. "We want to get the best players in the country who are academically motivated and
who are looking to take a little bit of a different path to greatness." 

Hufnagel also stressed the value of building a strong relationship not only with the kid
he is recruiting, but with the people in his life on a day-to-day basis. 

"That's important," he said. "Without a strong relationship, we've got very little chance
to have the kind of success we're having and hope to have in the future."


Bottom line, this is the same formula that Fitz uses to recruit smart competitive football
players.  

It works the same way in basketball. 

If there are enough smart good basketball players willing to more or less pay their own
way to play for Harvard, there are also enough smart good basketball players who would
value a free NU education.  Just have to find them, create a relationship with them and
their families as they enter high school, and then welcome them when it is time for them
to choose a college.

Jeff




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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Mar 13 12:34:10 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 13:34:10 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
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According to ESPN, Amaker is "targeting top-100 guys".

Some of the guys they recruited did have NU on their list too.

Part of the key to his success is based on the very generous needs-based scholarship program Harvard implemented in 2006.  If a family's income is less than $60K, Harvard is free.  Between $60K - $180K you pay 10% of your income.  All you have to do to qualify for these grants is get accepted.

Ivy's don't offer athletic scholarships, but Amaker can offer the next best thing.  If you get in, Harvard will pick up some or all of the cost of your education if your family can't afford it.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Tom Maycock
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:14 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU

For what it's worth, Sagarin ratings would put Harvard in 7th place in the Big 10, just above Minny and NU.?

They had one nice win against FSU, but only had one other game against a top 50 team, which they lost. So, not a lot of information to go on as to how well they would fare against the Big 10.?

Tom






>________________________________
> From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
>To: hakirsch at aol.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; "'Beamsley, Jeff'" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
> 
>Which still leaves my original question open, would Harvard finish in the top 7 in the Big
>10 with their present players, and the rest of the conference....
>
>While they would probably adjust, I think a full schedule I the Big 10 is a lot tougher
>than the Ivy League, even with Princeton and Yale.
>
>rsl
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
>those of any organizations of which I am a member.
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>Computer Applications & Support Associates
>Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
>--------------------- Also ----------------------
>"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
>Director Media Relations - Little League 
>? Senior League Softball World Series
>CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
>Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
>Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
>Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
>=================================================
>There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
>love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
>cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
>=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
>If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
>tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
>===========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com] 
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:58 AM
>To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; 'Beamsley, Jeff'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
>
>Harvard was ranked this year, we weren't. The pollsters obviously feel they were better
>than us. 
>
>They are supposed to take into account ease of conference, ease of schedule and assuming
>they did,they still concluded that they were better.? A good test is to see how they do in
>the tourney. Of course , that test is not always a good one.? In the early 80's Depaul was
>seated first at least 2 years in a row, and maybe a third, and lost all 3? times? in the
>opening round.
>
>Harry
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
>Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:43:24
>To: 'Beamsley, Jeff'<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
>
>But what would Harvard's record be in the Big 10? As good as NU's, Worse?
>
>It is all speculation, but I'm pretty sure that BC in the Big 10 has to recruit some
>better athletes to stay competitive with the rest of the conference. Just my opinion...
>
>rsl
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any organizations of which I
>am a member.
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
>http://coachroy.org
>--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion
>Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
>? Senior League Softball World Series
>CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
>Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
>=================================================
>There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and
>energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
>=? =? =? =? =? = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
>We're Doomed!"
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
>===========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
>Beamsley, Jeff
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:00 AM
>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
>
>In looking for something to help Eric out with the urban legend that is Tommy Amaker, I
>found this great article that goes in depth on Harvard's recent basketball success.
>
>http://www.ballinisahabit.net/2011/08/rise-of-crimson-how-harvard-went-f
>rom.html
>
>"We're very comfortable with who we are," Harvard assistant coach Yanni Hufnagel told me
>by phone on Tuesday night. "We know that we're an Ivy.
>We know that we might not have the biggest arena or the best locker room. But what we
>think we have here is the best brand in the world and an incredible environment for the
>right kid." 
>
>"[The kids we recruit] come from great families who understand that Harvard's not a four
>year decision, it's a 40 year decision."
>
>As Hufnagel explains it, the high academic requirement actually works in their favor.
>Whereas some of the bigger programs can literally recruit any kid in the country that is
>capable of signing his name on a letter of intent, Harvard has to narrow down their
>search. The pool of kids they can choose from is limited. And while that requires the
>coaching staff to do their due diligence identifying potential recruits, it also allows
>them to focus their energy on the kids that they know they can get into school. 
>
>"We've been very aggressive in trying to figure out who we want to recruit," Hufnagel
>said. "We want to get the best players in the country who are academically motivated and
>who are looking to take a little bit of a different path to greatness." 
>
>Hufnagel also stressed the value of building a strong relationship not only with the kid
>he is recruiting, but with the people in his life on a day-to-day basis. 
>
>"That's important," he said. "Without a strong relationship, we've got very little chance
>to have the kind of success we're having and hope to have in the future."
>
>
>Bottom line, this is the same formula that Fitz uses to recruit smart competitive football
>players.? 
>
>It works the same way in basketball. 
>
>If there are enough smart good basketball players willing to more or less pay their own
>way to play for Harvard, there are also enough smart good basketball players who would
>value a free NU education.? Just have to find them, create a relationship with them and
>their families as they enter high school, and then welcome them when it is time for them
>to choose a college.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Mar 13 13:05:44 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:05:44 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
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Given that many top HS athletes are in the under $180-K bracket, the potential of a free
Hah-vahd education is a big draw given their tradition of becoming the "nation's leaders."

Let's face it, they have better press here on the east coast.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:34 PM
To: Tom Maycock; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU

According to ESPN, Amaker is "targeting top-100 guys".

Some of the guys they recruited did have NU on their list too.

Part of the key to his success is based on the very generous needs-based scholarship
program Harvard implemented in 2006.  If a family's income is less than $60K, Harvard is
free.  Between $60K - $180K you pay 10% of your income.  All you have to do to qualify for
these grants is get accepted.

Ivy's don't offer athletic scholarships, but Amaker can offer the next best thing.  If you
get in, Harvard will pick up some or all of the cost of your education if your family
can't afford it.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Maycock
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 1:14 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU

For what it's worth, Sagarin ratings would put Harvard in 7th place in the Big 10, just
above Minny and NU.?

They had one nice win against FSU, but only had one other game against a top 50 team,
which they lost. So, not a lot of information to go on as to how well they would fare
against the Big 10.?

Tom






>________________________________
> From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
>To: hakirsch at aol.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; "'Beamsley, Jeff'" 
><Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
> 
>Which still leaves my original question open, would Harvard finish in 
>the top 7 in the Big
>10 with their present players, and the rest of the conference....
>
>While they would probably adjust, I think a full schedule I the Big 10 
>is a lot tougher than the Ivy League, even with Princeton and Yale.
>
>rsl
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any 
>organizations of which I am a member.
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts 
>- http://coachroy.org
>--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" 
>Delaware American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little 
>League
>? Senior League Softball World Series
>CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern 
>University - Speech 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher 
>Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports) 
>=================================================
>There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, 
>intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. 
>Eisenhower =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? = If we 
>become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,' We're 
>Doomed!"
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
>===========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:58 AM
>To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; 'Beamsley, Jeff'; 
>nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
>
>Harvard was ranked this year, we weren't. The pollsters obviously feel 
>they were better than us.
>
>They are supposed to take into account ease of conference, ease of 
>schedule and assuming they did,they still concluded that they were 
>better.? A good test is to see how they do in the tourney. Of course , 
>that test is not always a good one.? In the early 80's Depaul was 
>seated first at least 2 years in a row, and maybe a third, and lost all 3? times? in the
opening round.
>
>Harry
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
>Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 11:43:24
>To: 'Beamsley, Jeff'<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
>
>But what would Harvard's record be in the Big 10? As good as NU's, Worse?
>
>It is all speculation, but I'm pretty sure that BC in the Big 10 has to 
>recruit some better athletes to stay competitive with the rest of the conference. Just my
opinion...
>
>rsl
>
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any 
>organizations of which I am a member.
>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts 
>- http://coachroy.org
>--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" 
>Delaware American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little 
>League
>? Senior League Softball World Series
>CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern 
>University - Speech 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher 
>Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports) 
>=================================================
>There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, 
>intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. 
>Eisenhower =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? = =? =? =? =? =? = If we become a country in
which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
>We're Doomed!"
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
>===========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] 
>On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
>Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:00 AM
>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Harvard and NU
>
>In looking for something to help Eric out with the urban legend that is 
>Tommy Amaker, I found this great article that goes in depth on Harvard's recent
basketball success.
>
>http://www.ballinisahabit.net/2011/08/rise-of-crimson-how-harvard-went-
>f
>rom.html
>
>"We're very comfortable with who we are," Harvard assistant coach Yanni 
>Hufnagel told me by phone on Tuesday night. "We know that we're an Ivy.
>We know that we might not have the biggest arena or the best locker 
>room. But what we think we have here is the best brand in the world and 
>an incredible environment for the right kid."
>
>"[The kids we recruit] come from great families who understand that 
>Harvard's not a four year decision, it's a 40 year decision."
>
>As Hufnagel explains it, the high academic requirement actually works in their favor.
>Whereas some of the bigger programs can literally recruit any kid in 
>the country that is capable of signing his name on a letter of intent, 
>Harvard has to narrow down their search. The pool of kids they can 
>choose from is limited. And while that requires the coaching staff to 
>do their due diligence identifying potential recruits, it also allows them to focus their
energy on the kids that they know they can get into school.
>
>"We've been very aggressive in trying to figure out who we want to 
>recruit," Hufnagel said. "We want to get the best players in the 
>country who are academically motivated and who are looking to take a little bit of a
different path to greatness."
>
>Hufnagel also stressed the value of building a strong relationship not 
>only with the kid he is recruiting, but with the people in his life on a day-to-day
basis.
>
>"That's important," he said. "Without a strong relationship, we've got 
>very little chance to have the kind of success we're having and hope to have in the
future."
>
>
>Bottom line, this is the same formula that Fitz uses to recruit smart 
>competitive football players.
>
>It works the same way in basketball. 
>
>If there are enough smart good basketball players willing to more or 
>less pay their own way to play for Harvard, there are also enough smart 
>good basketball players who would value a free NU education.? Just have 
>to find them, create a relationship with them and their families as 
>they enter high school, and then welcome them when it is time for them to choose a
college.
>
>Jeff
>
>
>
>
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Mar 13 20:21:29 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:21:29 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] one more pt for Shurna
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C154380D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

And he'll be @ 2,000.

With the telecast delayed, am listening to WGNRADIO.COM & Cobb/Shurna are leading the Cats, as they have a 22-12 lead, 8+ minutes in.

From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 20:25:42 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:25:42 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] one more pt for Shurna
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C154380D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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I'm watching on espn3 on computer



On Mar 13, 2012, at 6:21 PM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:

> And he'll be @ 2,000.
> 
> With the telecast delayed, am listening to WGNRADIO.COM & Cobb/Shurna are leading the Cats, as they have a 22-12 lead, 8+ minutes in.
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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Tue Mar 13 20:45:30 2012
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:45:30 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] one more pt for Shurna
In-Reply-To: <AB023E0E-061D-48C5-A943-336654C05AC2@yahoo.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C154380D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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On 03/13/2012 06:25 PM, inaugurationbook at yahoo.com wrote:
> I'm watching on espn3 on computer
>
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2012, at 6:21 PM, "Weinbaum, Willie"<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>  wrote:
>
>> And he'll be @ 2,000.
>>
>> With the telecast delayed, am listening to WGNRADIO.COM&  Cobb/Shurna are leading the Cats, as they have a 22-12 lead, 8+ minutes in.
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I'm watching on ESPN2.  Cats leading 42-32, is this delayed


From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Mar 13 20:46:24 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:46:24 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] one more pt for Shurna
In-Reply-To: <AB023E0E-061D-48C5-A943-336654C05AC2@yahoo.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C154380D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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If only THIS Drew Crawford had shown up in Indy instead of that imposter.......I give Carmody credit.  His team showed up tonight--motivated.  
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one more pt for Shurna

I'm watching on espn3 on computer



On Mar 13, 2012, at 6:21 PM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:

> And he'll be @ 2,000.
> 
> With the telecast delayed, am listening to WGNRADIO.COM & Cobb/Shurna are leading the Cats, as they have a 22-12 lead, 8+ minutes in.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Mar 13 20:52:15 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:52:15 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Where were these guys last week?
Message-ID: <004d01cd0185$155c96c0$4015c440$@com>

Especially Drew.

And you have to wonder just where we'd have finished if Cobb had been there all year....

But there is still 20 minutes to play....

Go Cats

rsl

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Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Mar 13 21:00:05 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:00:05 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NIT-picking
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C1543818@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

GREAT to see Shurna become the first 2000-point scorer in Cats history.

Akron's defense is porous, so it's specious to say Cats with healthy Cobb could have been doing against everyone what they're doing tonight, but he makes a tremendous difference.  Crawford's on fire and he/Shurna/Cobb are a potent trio.

Seeing the NU defense collapse late in the half, though, was a reminder of how failures on D and on the boards did so much damage to the Cats' fortunes this season.

Would be a major letdown to fail to honor Shurna's special night with a W.  So it's on to the second half...seeking a sustained effort at both ends, to make it to the second round.

A far cry from the Big Dance, indeed, but whatever the tourney, Ws for the Wildcats beat the alternative. :)





From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Mar 13 21:25:59 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 02:25:59 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] NIT-picking
Message-ID: <553450046-1331691935-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-234064653-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

So far we are as flat as a tortillla in the Second Half.  Hate to say it, but after 7-0 run to end the half, we look horrible.
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GREAT to see Shurna become the first 2000-point scorer in Cats history.

Akron's defense is porous, so it's specious to say Cats with healthy Cobb could have been doing against everyone what they're doing tonight, but he makes a tremendous difference.  Crawford's on fire and he/Shurna/Cobb are a potent trio.

Seeing the NU defense collapse late in the half, though, was a reminder of how failures on D and on the boards did so much damage to the Cats' fortunes this season.

Would be a major letdown to fail to honor Shurna's special night with a W.  So it's on to the second half...seeking a sustained effort at both ends, to make it to the second round.

A far cry from the Big Dance, indeed, but whatever the tourney, Ws for the Wildcats beat the alternative. :)




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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Mar 13 21:42:08 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 02:42:08 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] NIT-picking
In-Reply-To: <553450046-1331691935-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-234064653-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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3 minutes to go.  One-point lead.  If this team believes in Carmody, they need to seal a win.   
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So far we are as flat as a tortillla in the Second Half.  Hate to say it, but after 7-0 run to end the half, we look horrible.
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Subject: [NU Sports] NIT-picking
Sent: Mar 13, 2012 10:00 PM

GREAT to see Shurna become the first 2000-point scorer in Cats history.

Akron's defense is porous, so it's specious to say Cats with healthy Cobb could have been doing against everyone what they're doing tonight, but he makes a tremendous difference.  Crawford's on fire and he/Shurna/Cobb are a potent trio.

Seeing the NU defense collapse late in the half, though, was a reminder of how failures on D and on the boards did so much damage to the Cats' fortunes this season.

Would be a major letdown to fail to honor Shurna's special night with a W.  So it's on to the second half...seeking a sustained effort at both ends, to make it to the second round.

A far cry from the Big Dance, indeed, but whatever the tourney, Ws for the Wildcats beat the alternative. :)




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From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 21:50:54 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:50:54 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Let's hold on!
Message-ID: <1318FDD5-C964-4708-8AE1-0D3F28A547B7@yahoo.com>

And Washington is tied with UT Arlington. Could we possibly get another home game?!



From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Mar 13 21:57:47 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 02:57:47 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Let's hold on!
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Why wasn't Davide in on missed foul shot?  We needed Size.

But we won anyway.
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And Washington is tied with UT Arlington. Could we possibly get another home game?!


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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 21:58:00 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:58:00 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
Message-ID: <CAN7senhNyHvJ3x7QtxHrLp7ywiGmNCickfQDt+Dc=5W4RSfSDA@mail.gmail.com>

The kid from Akron got a good look at a three-pointer to win. He just
missed.

From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Mar 13 21:58:47 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:58:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] too close for comfort
Message-ID: <20120314025848.25DF365713@romaine.tssi.com>

Man, that was too close for comfort, but all wins count the same!
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Mar 13 21:58:29 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:58:29 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Just with the announcers on ESPN
Message-ID: <000001cd018e$57252b90$056f82b0$@com>

Would remember that we're Northwestern and playing in Evanston.

Not minny, playing in Evansville.

rsl

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--------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 21:59:43 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 02:59:43 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Let's hold on!
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Wondered same thing about curletti. Weird. Somehow we survived.

Tom
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Why wasn't Davide in on missed foul shot?  We needed Size.

But we won anyway.
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And Washington is tied with UT Arlington. Could we possibly get another home game?!


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Mar 13 22:00:27 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:00:27 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Whew
Message-ID: <000401cd018e$9cf506e0$d6df14a0$@com>

All the great play in the first half fell flat in the 2nd, but Shurna picked it up when
the other guys dropped off.

Amazing

rsl

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--------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Mar 13 22:15:13 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:15:13 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats fail again
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Message-ID: <71C8228F4DDE4DADA63E71C903BF24F0@dennismachine>

To lose, that is, but not from a lack of effort to blow another game late. 
They played horribly the last two minutes - Shurna loses the ball on a 
drive, Sobolewski missing the front end of a one-and-one, unprepared to grab 
a critical rebound at the end.  They gave Akron several chances to win that 
game at the end. 


From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Mar 13 22:05:07 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:05:07 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
Message-ID: <1034474443-1331694283-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-427463315-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Keep hope alive--to get to Madison Square Garden. Where as a kid, I saw Pistol Pete Maravich for LSU and Walt Frazier for Southern Illinois in the NIT.  It aint the Dance, but if we get to the Semis, Willie and I can welcome y'all to NYC for some Northern Hospitality.

Paul
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The kid from Akron got a good look at a three-pointer to win. He just
missed.
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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Mar 13 22:07:18 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:07:18 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Let's hold on!
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How come we know to do that in pick-up games, biut Curletti sits on biggest rebounding play of game.  Yes, he took a horrible shot four minutes earlier, but still, he's a reasonably big body.
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Wondered same thing about curletti. Weird. Somehow we survived.

Tom
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Why wasn't Davide in on missed foul shot?  We needed Size.

But we won anyway.
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:50:54 
To: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Let's hold on!

And Washington is tied with UT Arlington. Could we possibly get another home game?!


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From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 22:13:12 2012
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:13:12 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] too close for comfort
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Zeller wrote something last week that really put words to how I feel:
watching a close basketball game is plain agony.

It seems like basketball turns on so many random events: a foul call, who
tips a ball out-of-bounds, or which way a missed shot bounces.  Even in a
win, I feel relatively little enjoyment--only relief.


On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 9:58 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> Man, that was too close for comfort, but all wins count the same!
> --
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>
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Mar 13 22:23:08 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:23:08 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
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Long way to go, Paul ...



On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:05 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Keep hope alive--to get to Madison Square Garden. Where as a kid, I saw
> Pistol Pete Maravich for LSU and Walt Frazier for Southern Illinois in the
> NIT.  It aint the Dance, but if we get to the Semis, Willie and I can
> welcome y'all to NYC for some Northern Hospitality.
>
> Paul
> ------Original Message------
> From: Alan Abrahamson
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
> Sent: Mar 13, 2012 10:58 PM
>
> The kid from Akron got a good look at a three-pointer to win. He just
> missed.
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Mar 13 22:30:40 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:30:40 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NIT to be tied
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C154383A@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Helluva reward for Shurna and Co. and it would've been damned sad to blow the game in which he reached 2,000 points, had a rare double-double, became NU's career blocked-shot leader and had seven assists.  And even though he didn't have a great shooting night, he hit a couple of big treys, worked hard on defense and was there at both ends for key rebounds late...always hustling.  Cobb hit big time shots and Crawford keyed the Cats getting a big lead and had another eight points in the second half after the lead disappeared.   He won't have much time for the shoulder to heal.

Clearly, a lot in this game demonstrated why the Cats are an NIT team, not an NCAA team, such as lapses on defense and on the boards and an overreliance on long-range shooting, something really hard to sustain.  This had all the makings of another crusher, with a missed FT that would've clinched it and an inability to grab a rebound...and a good look for Akron at a trey that would've given it the win.  But it was a game like those @ PSU & Iowa (not the myriad heartbreakers), in which the Cats hung on as their fans' tickers were put to the test.

Have to be pleased for NU, in the middle of finals week, to somehow shake off the disappointment from the conference tourney/failure to get an NCAA bid and to weather the storm.

Regardless of what's behind them or ahead, at least the Cats had this home game and a rewarding (albeit really ugly and tense) night.





From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Mar 13 22:51:30 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:51:30 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
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I know, but as an NU fan, all you have are dreams--and a lot of nightmares.  I prefer to dream.  And after no dancing again, this is all we have left.  Shurna at MSG would be very cool, so let me fantasize and hope.  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:23:08 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day

Long way to go, Paul ...



On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:05 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Keep hope alive--to get to Madison Square Garden. Where as a kid, I saw
> Pistol Pete Maravich for LSU and Walt Frazier for Southern Illinois in the
> NIT.  It aint the Dance, but if we get to the Semis, Willie and I can
> welcome y'all to NYC for some Northern Hospitality.
>
> Paul
> ------Original Message------
> From: Alan Abrahamson
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
> Sent: Mar 13, 2012 10:58 PM
>
> The kid from Akron got a good look at a three-pointer to win. He just
> missed.
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>
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From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 13 23:03:54 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 21:03:54 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Off to Seattle we go
Message-ID: <3BE5CD96-8C42-4AC7-8FA9-3A51F386B994@yahoo.com>

The Huskies had a better second half and beat UT-Arlington. They feel like the NCAA jobbed them and, probably more than us, they may feel they have something to prove. It'll be a tough trip for us. 



From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Mar 13 23:10:05 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 00:10:05 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NU's next game
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C154384A@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Just announced -  Cats next play @ Washington on Fri. @ 10p E on ESPNU.

From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Mar 13 23:45:29 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:45:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Off to Seattle we go
In-Reply-To: <3BE5CD96-8C42-4AC7-8FA9-3A51F386B994@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120314044529.C5A5F654DA@romaine.tssi.com>

> The Huskies had a better second half and beat UT-Arlington. They feel like the NCAA jobbed them and, probably more than us, they may feel they have something to prove. It'll be a tough trip for us. 

Well, their arena seats 10,00 but the published attendance for their
game today was 2801.  Our game had official attendance of 2319 (capacity
is 8117.)

A Friday game might draw better, though.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Mar 13 23:46:48 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 23:46:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Off to Seattle we go
In-Reply-To: <20120314044529.C5A5F654DA@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <20120314044648.445D365737@romaine.tssi.com>

> > The Huskies had a better second half and beat UT-Arlington. They feel like the NCAA jobbed them and, probably more than us, they may feel they have something to prove. It'll be a tough trip for us. 
> 
> Well, their arena seats 10,00 but the published attendance for their
> game today was 2801.  Our game had official attendance of 2319 (capacity
> is 8117.)

Don't you just hate it when you catch a typo right after it posts?
Their arena seats 10,000.
--
Mike


From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Mar 14 00:26:09 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:26:09 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
In-Reply-To: <1022103163-1331697067-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-10411882-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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Paul

Just because we don't live in the Big A, doesn't mean we are from the South.  Must be thinking if the New Yorker cover

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:51:30 
To: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day

I know, but as an NU fan, all you have are dreams--and a lot of nightmares.  I prefer to dream.  And after no dancing again, this is all we have left.  Shurna at MSG would be very cool, so let me fantasize and hope.  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:23:08 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day

Long way to go, Paul ...



On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:05 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Keep hope alive--to get to Madison Square Garden. Where as a kid, I saw
> Pistol Pete Maravich for LSU and Walt Frazier for Southern Illinois in the
> NIT.  It aint the Dance, but if we get to the Semis, Willie and I can
> welcome y'all to NYC for some Northern Hospitality.
>
> Paul
> ------Original Message------
> From: Alan Abrahamson
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
> Sent: Mar 13, 2012 10:58 PM
>
> The kid from Akron got a good look at a three-pointer to win. He just
> missed.
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From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Mar 14 06:45:17 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:45:17 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
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I used y'all 'cause I was thinking of GOP primaries in Alabama and Mississippi. And because it's fun to talk that way--after hearing and using New Yawk accents.
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-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 05:26:09 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Reply-To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day

Paul

Just because we don't live in the Big A, doesn't mean we are from the South.  Must be thinking if the New Yorker cover

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 03:51:30 
To: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day

I know, but as an NU fan, all you have are dreams--and a lot of nightmares.  I prefer to dream.  And after no dancing again, this is all we have left.  Shurna at MSG would be very cool, so let me fantasize and hope.  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 20:23:08 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day

Long way to go, Paul ...



On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 8:05 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Keep hope alive--to get to Madison Square Garden. Where as a kid, I saw
> Pistol Pete Maravich for LSU and Walt Frazier for Southern Illinois in the
> NIT.  It aint the Dance, but if we get to the Semis, Willie and I can
> welcome y'all to NYC for some Northern Hospitality.
>
> Paul
> ------Original Message------
> From: Alan Abrahamson
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
> Sent: Mar 13, 2012 10:58 PM
>
> The kid from Akron got a good look at a three-pointer to win. He just
> missed.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Mar 14 07:15:02 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:15:02 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats fail again
References: <553450046-1331691935-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-234064653-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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to be the team that you want them to be.
 
Instead they again were the team that they are.
 
For all of their flaws and weaknesses, they found a way to win.
 
Even if that way included Akron missing some shots, they still came away with a win.
 
Even though they had critical turnovers, couldn't buy an offensive rebound (19-10), and had numerous defensive breakdowns; they still came away with a win.
 
Did you see the smile on Shurna's face at the end of the game?
 
That look of relief spoke volumes.
 
Here's a quick bulletin for those in the "they don't deserve it" camp.
 
This year's team is never going to be the team that you hoped they were going to be.
 
Their imperfections are going to be on display in virtually every game they play.  At this point in the season, it is part of who they are.
 
They are emotional.
 
They go through streaks where they can't miss and the offense looks like a thing of beauty.  Then they lose their focus, take some quick shots or try to beat somebody off the dribble and miss the easy layup.
 
They force turnovers (12-6) and rattle their opponent with stout defense, then give up a bunch of easy buckets around the rim because they fail to box out (points in the paint 40-22).  
 
The one thing that they consistently bring to the floor every night though is effort and commitment.  They never give up.  As frustrating as it is to watch sometimes, it is always great to see them out there battling.
 
I am happy that we are going to get to see this team play another game.  They deserve it.
 
Jeff 

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From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Tue 3/13/2012 11:15 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats fail again



To lose, that is, but not from a lack of effort to blow another game late.
They played horribly the last two minutes - Shurna loses the ball on a
drive, Sobolewski missing the front end of a one-and-one, unprepared to grab
a critical rebound at the end.  They gave Akron several chances to win that
game at the end.

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Mar 14 07:55:42 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:55:42 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NU's next game
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Maybe our fall off in the 2nd half is due to the guys having to play so late at night...?

After all, it seemed like most of our games were on early (5-6 PM starts) this year.

Those young guys need to get to bed early, don't they?

(just kidding) Go Cats.

rsl

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Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:10 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats (nwu-sports at tssi.com)
Subject: [NU Sports] NU's next game

Just announced -  Cats next play @ Washington on Fri. @ 10p E on ESPNU.
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From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Mar 14 08:28:38 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:28:38 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats fail again
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One of the main reasons they are not THAT team is the fact that they only play 7--and Curletti doesn't seem to log that many minutes as the 7th man (with Freundt having a "cup of coffee last night as 8).  It takes a lot of energy to keep cutting and moving and to defend larger, stronger opponents.  Our guys often run out of gas.

Our inability to rebound is so damn frustrating.  The second and third shots and easy put-backs just kill us over the course of many games--against top adversaries especially.

And yet Jeff is so right.  Shurna's big smile spoke volumes, as he got one more, somewhat unexpected W at Welsh-Ryan.  He really wanted to walk off his home floor--likely for the last time--as a winner.

They started to learn to win on the road this year.  Let's see if they can apply those lessons out in the Great Northwest.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:15:02 
To: Dennis W. Brandt<tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Cats fail again

to be the team that you want them to be.
 
Instead they again were the team that they are.
 
For all of their flaws and weaknesses, they found a way to win.
 
Even if that way included Akron missing some shots, they still came away with a win.
 
Even though they had critical turnovers, couldn't buy an offensive rebound (19-10), and had numerous defensive breakdowns; they still came away with a win.
 
Did you see the smile on Shurna's face at the end of the game?
 
That look of relief spoke volumes.
 
Here's a quick bulletin for those in the "they don't deserve it" camp.
 
This year's team is never going to be the team that you hoped they were going to be.
 
Their imperfections are going to be on display in virtually every game they play.  At this point in the season, it is part of who they are.
 
They are emotional.
 
They go through streaks where they can't miss and the offense looks like a thing of beauty.  Then they lose their focus, take some quick shots or try to beat somebody off the dribble and miss the easy layup.
 
They force turnovers (12-6) and rattle their opponent with stout defense, then give up a bunch of easy buckets around the rim because they fail to box out (points in the paint 40-22).  
 
The one thing that they consistently bring to the floor every night though is effort and commitment.  They never give up.  As frustrating as it is to watch sometimes, it is always great to see them out there battling.
 
I am happy that we are going to get to see this team play another game.  They deserve it.
 
Jeff 

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Sent: Tue 3/13/2012 11:15 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats fail again



To lose, that is, but not from a lack of effort to blow another game late.
They played horribly the last two minutes - Shurna loses the ball on a
drive, Sobolewski missing the front end of a one-and-one, unprepared to grab
a critical rebound at the end.  They gave Akron several chances to win that
game at the end.

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Mar 14 09:00:25 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:00:25 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats fail again
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Many teams have a short bench.
 
UoM #7 guy averages 10 minutes a game.  The #8 guy averages 4 minutes a game.
Wisky #7 guy averages 12 minutes a game. The #8 guy averages 8 mintues a game.
 
I agree that NU's strength and weakness this year has been their small line-up.  We are asking a lot of Shurna on both ends of the court, but as with everything else about this team - it is what it is.
 
I share your hope that we are learning how to play on the road and also learning how to play late at night.
 
Jeff

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One of the main reasons they are not THAT team is the fact that they only play 7--and Curletti doesn't seem to log that many minutes as the 7th man (with Freundt having a "cup of coffee last night as 8).  It takes a lot of energy to keep cutting and moving and to defend larger, stronger opponents.  Our guys often run out of gas.

Our inability to rebound is so damn frustrating.  The second and third shots and easy put-backs just kill us over the course of many games--against top adversaries especially.

And yet Jeff is so right.  Shurna's big smile spoke volumes, as he got one more, somewhat unexpected W at Welsh-Ryan.  He really wanted to walk off his home floor--likely for the last time--as a winner.

They started to learn to win on the road this year.  Let's see if they can apply those lessons out in the Great Northwest.
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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:15:02
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Cats fail again

to be the team that you want them to be.

Instead they again were the team that they are.

For all of their flaws and weaknesses, they found a way to win.

Even if that way included Akron missing some shots, they still came away with a win.

Even though they had critical turnovers, couldn't buy an offensive rebound (19-10), and had numerous defensive breakdowns; they still came away with a win.

Did you see the smile on Shurna's face at the end of the game?

That look of relief spoke volumes.

Here's a quick bulletin for those in the "they don't deserve it" camp.

This year's team is never going to be the team that you hoped they were going to be.

Their imperfections are going to be on display in virtually every game they play.  At this point in the season, it is part of who they are.

They are emotional.

They go through streaks where they can't miss and the offense looks like a thing of beauty.  Then they lose their focus, take some quick shots or try to beat somebody off the dribble and miss the easy layup.

They force turnovers (12-6) and rattle their opponent with stout defense, then give up a bunch of easy buckets around the rim because they fail to box out (points in the paint 40-22). 

The one thing that they consistently bring to the floor every night though is effort and commitment.  They never give up.  As frustrating as it is to watch sometimes, it is always great to see them out there battling.

I am happy that we are going to get to see this team play another game.  They deserve it.

Jeff

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Sent: Tue 3/13/2012 11:15 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats fail again



To lose, that is, but not from a lack of effort to blow another game late.
They played horribly the last two minutes - Shurna loses the ball on a
drive, Sobolewski missing the front end of a one-and-one, unprepared to grab
a critical rebound at the end.  They gave Akron several chances to win that
game at the end.

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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Wed Mar 14 09:02:32 2012
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:02:32 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats fail again
Message-ID: <16454072.1331733752954.JavaMail.root@mswamui-valley.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

They looked tired to me.


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>Sent: Mar 13, 2012 8:15 PM
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>Subject: [NU Sports] Cats fail again
>
>To lose, that is, but not from a lack of effort to blow another game late. 
>They played horribly the last two minutes - Shurna loses the ball on a 
>drive, Sobolewski missing the front end of a one-and-one, unprepared to grab 
>a critical rebound at the end.  They gave Akron several chances to win that 
>game at the end. 
>
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 14 09:19:11 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:19:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats fail again
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144B62@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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The guys on the BTN show that night (Tim Doyle and whoever the host is) mentioned that it was a good thing it didn't go into OT because they both thought Shurna was completely gassed. I hadn't really noticed that myself, but I don't doubt it given the minutes he played and the amount of time he had to spend defending their big guy.?

Too bad Curletti did so poorly, as it would have helped everyone if he had played well enough to earn more PT (or too bad Carmody has that ever-present short leash, depending on how you look at it).?

As disappointing as the second half was, we shouldn't let it overshadow just how brilliant the Cats were on offense in the first half. Between Crawford, Cobb, Sobo's pass to Hearn, and Shurna's 3-point shooting, that was quite a highlight reel.

Tom

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Mar 14 09:39:33 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:39:33 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats fail again
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Yup.
 
Because of what Shurna is asked to do, this is a 40 minute team.
 
I've wondered from time to time why Carmody doesn't sit Shurna at the end of those big runs that the Cats generally have during the first half or during those times when he seems to be struggling with his shot.
 
A couple of games ago when Shurna wasn't playing well in part because he was being guarded so well, Carmody sat him and the Cats went on a nice little run.  I think that was because the other team didn't know who to guard.  I also think our guys were able to run the offense better when they weren't forcing the ball into the hands of a guy who was covered.
 
Bottom line, though, is that guys like Curletti have to step up in situations like that and play within themselves and within the context of the offense.  I think that's why he in particular is on a short leash.
 
Agree with you that when the offense is running well, you wonder why they can't sustain this for 40 minutes.  Perhaps the defense gets better with experience.  Perhaps our guys get impatient and take bad shots, or become tentative and don't take the shots they should.  Or maybe they just get tired.  
 
I don't know, but at this point I'm just grateful that we get to see some of their good play on display for a national audience.
 
Jeff
 

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From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Tom Maycock
Sent: Wed 3/14/2012 10:19 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Cats fail again



The guys on the BTN show that night (Tim Doyle and whoever the host is) mentioned that it was a good thing it didn't go into OT because they both thought Shurna was completely gassed. I hadn't really noticed that myself, but I don't doubt it given the minutes he played and the amount of time he had to spend defending their big guy. 

Too bad Curletti did so poorly, as it would have helped everyone if he had played well enough to earn more PT (or too bad Carmody has that ever-present short leash, depending on how you look at it). 

As disappointing as the second half was, we shouldn't let it overshadow just how brilliant the Cats were on offense in the first half. Between Crawford, Cobb, Sobo's pass to Hearn, and Shurna's 3-point shooting, that was quite a highlight reel.

Tom
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Mar 14 09:59:53 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:59:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
In-Reply-To: <1594538901-1331725493-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2129923306-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20120314145954.125A16572B@romaine.tssi.com>

> I used y'all 'cause I was thinking of GOP primaries in Alabama and Mississippi. 
> And because it's fun to talk that way--after hearing and using New Yawk accents.

A 'talking Southern' strategy didn't seem to work for Romney.  

BYU overcame a 25 point deficit to beat Iona 78-27 in one of the play-in 
games yesterday, a record comeback for an NCAA tournament game.

Somehow I can't picture the Cats doing that.  
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Mar 14 10:00:53 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:00:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
In-Reply-To: <20120314145954.125A16572B@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <20120314150053.58E486572B@romaine.tssi.com>

> > I used y'all 'cause I was thinking of GOP primaries in Alabama and Mississippi. 
> > And because it's fun to talk that way--after hearing and using New Yawk accents.
> 
> A 'talking Southern' strategy didn't seem to work for Romney.  
> 
> BYU overcame a 25 point deficit to beat Iona 78-27 in one of the play-in 
> games yesterday, a record comeback for an NCAA tournament game.

Darn 'typo virus', 78-72.
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Mar 14 10:38:45 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:38:45 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
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Can't picture the Cats overcoming a 25 point deficit?
 
or 
 
Can't picture the Cats blowing a 25 point lead?
 
I agree that I can't picture the cats doing either. :)
 
Jeff

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From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Mike Nolan
Sent: Wed 3/14/2012 10:59 AM
To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day



> I used y'all 'cause I was thinking of GOP primaries in Alabama and Mississippi.
> And because it's fun to talk that way--after hearing and using New Yawk accents.

A 'talking Southern' strategy didn't seem to work for Romney. 

BYU overcame a 25 point deficit to beat Iona 78-27 in one of the play-in
games yesterday, a record comeback for an NCAA tournament game.

Somehow I can't picture the Cats doing that. 
--
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 10:55:01 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 08:55:01 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144B66@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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Have we *had* a 25-point lead?

Not in fb? I shudder thinking about that Michigan State game ... or the
UCLA bowl game ...



On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> Can't picture the Cats overcoming a 25 point deficit?
>
> or
>
> Can't picture the Cats blowing a 25 point lead?
>
> I agree that I can't picture the cats doing either. :)
>
> Jeff
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Mike Nolan
> Sent: Wed 3/14/2012 10:59 AM
> To: neonrye at aol.com
> Cc: Northwestern Wildcats; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
>
>
>
> > I used y'all 'cause I was thinking of GOP primaries in Alabama and
> Mississippi.
> > And because it's fun to talk that way--after hearing and using New Yawk
> accents.
>
> A 'talking Southern' strategy didn't seem to work for Romney.
>
> BYU overcame a 25 point deficit to beat Iona 78-27 in one of the play-in
> games yesterday, a record comeback for an NCAA tournament game.
>
> Somehow I can't picture the Cats doing that.
> --
> Mike Nolan
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Mar 14 10:56:51 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:56:51 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
References: <20120314145954.125A16572B@romaine.tssi.com>
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In basketball, we had some 25+ point wins against some non-con "creampuffs".  
 
I don't recall having a 25 point lead in any other game.
 
We've certainly lost some games this year by more than 25, so clearly we've been in the position to mount a comeback.
 
Jeff

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From: Alan Abrahamson [mailto:alan.abrahamson at gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 3/14/2012 11:55 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff
Cc: Mike Nolan; neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day


Have we had a 25-point lead? 

Not in fb? I shudder thinking about that Michigan State game ... or the UCLA bowl game ...



On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:


	Can't picture the Cats overcoming a 25 point deficit?
	
	or
	
	Can't picture the Cats blowing a 25 point lead?
	
	I agree that I can't picture the cats doing either. :)
	
	Jeff
	
	________________________________
	
	From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Mike Nolan
	Sent: Wed 3/14/2012 10:59 AM
	To: neonrye at aol.com
	Cc: Northwestern Wildcats; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
	Subject: Re: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
	



	> I used y'all 'cause I was thinking of GOP primaries in Alabama and Mississippi.
	> And because it's fun to talk that way--after hearing and using New Yawk accents.
	
	A 'talking Southern' strategy didn't seem to work for Romney.
	
	BYU overcame a 25 point deficit to beat Iona 78-27 in one of the play-in
	games yesterday, a record comeback for an NCAA tournament game.
	
	Somehow I can't picture the Cats doing that.
	--
	Mike Nolan
	
	
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 14 11:12:32 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:12:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw:  we live to fight another day
In-Reply-To: <1331741496.31639.YahooMailNeo@web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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We were up as many as 21 over Iowa this year, and from that point, Iowa never got closer than 15 (according to the nusports.com).?

We ended up winning by 19.?


So, not quite 25 points, but that was a fun game to watch.


Tom


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Mar 14 11:15:09 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:15:09 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
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Actually 2 games by 25...

Baylor and dOSU in Columbus....

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
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Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:57 AM
To: Alan Abrahamson
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day

In basketball, we had some 25+ point wins against some non-con "creampuffs".  
 
I don't recall having a 25 point lead in any other game.
 
We've certainly lost some games this year by more than 25, so clearly we've been in the
position to mount a comeback.
 
Jeff

________________________________

From: Alan Abrahamson [mailto:alan.abrahamson at gmail.com]
Sent: Wed 3/14/2012 11:55 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff
Cc: Mike Nolan; neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day


Have we had a 25-point lead? 

Not in fb? I shudder thinking about that Michigan State game ... or the UCLA bowl game ...



On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:


	Can't picture the Cats overcoming a 25 point deficit?
	
	or
	
	Can't picture the Cats blowing a 25 point lead?
	
	I agree that I can't picture the cats doing either. :)
	
	Jeff
	
	________________________________
	
	From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Mike Nolan
	Sent: Wed 3/14/2012 10:59 AM
	To: neonrye at aol.com
	Cc: Northwestern Wildcats; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
	Subject: Re: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
	



	> I used y'all 'cause I was thinking of GOP primaries in Alabama and Mississippi.
	> And because it's fun to talk that way--after hearing and using New Yawk accents.
	
	A 'talking Southern' strategy didn't seem to work for Romney.
	
	BYU overcame a 25 point deficit to beat Iona 78-27 in one of the play-in
	games yesterday, a record comeback for an NCAA tournament game.
	
	Somehow I can't picture the Cats doing that.
	--
	Mike Nolan
	
	
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 15:07:23 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:07:23 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
Message-ID: <CAN7senhrK4TaEBTmwKGsafVNdt6HvK0W2xcc6BJCKOnUYqraDA@mail.gmail.com>

http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2012/03/13/the-last-wallflower/

But for nary a word on Kevin Coble, it pretty much sums up the Northwestern
basketball experience.

From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Mar 14 17:10:44 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 17:10:44 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] we live to fight another day
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144B66@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <20120314221044.9428065748@romaine.tssi.com>

I have more trouble envisioning teams (and not just Northwestern)
overcoming a 25 point lead in basketball than blowing one.
(You'd think that'd be transitive, though.)
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Mar 15 06:51:38 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 07:51:38 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
In-Reply-To: <CAN7senhrK4TaEBTmwKGsafVNdt6HvK0W2xcc6BJCKOnUYqraDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7senhrK4TaEBTmwKGsafVNdt6HvK0W2xcc6BJCKOnUYqraDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003901cd02a1$fbafe010$f30fa030$@com>

But there is that Amaker story again....

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:07 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read

http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2012/03/13/the-last-wallflower/

But for nary a word on Kevin Coble, it pretty much sums up the Northwestern basketball
experience.
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Thu Mar 15 09:42:11 2012
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 14:42:11 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
In-Reply-To: <003901cd02a1$fbafe010$f30fa030$@com>
References: <CAN7senhrK4TaEBTmwKGsafVNdt6HvK0W2xcc6BJCKOnUYqraDA@mail.gmail.com>
 <003901cd02a1$fbafe010$f30fa030$@com>
Message-ID: <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1369718@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>

Yes, fake urban legends are often as hard to get rid of as kudzu, especially when lazy "reporters" need something to punch up their blog.

Even though I know it will have the same effect as talking to a brick wall, I will yet again offer the following (completely verifiable) facts:

1. Only the Office of Admission makes admission decisions, including for athletes.
2. The Office of Admission doesn't even have contact with current coaches; they certainly wouldn't talk to prospective ones, nor would they serve on an "interview committee" for one.
3. No one in the Office of Admission would ever make a spot decision based on a non-applying student's "r?sum?," whatever that word is supposed to mean in this context.
4. They certainly wouldn't give such an admission decision to an outsider who wasn't even the student.

I happen to know these things because I worked in the Office of Undergraduate Admission for four years, but they aren't exactly secrets. No doubt Amaker was a bit turned off that recruiting at NU was more difficult than at other places, but the story as told in the blog is simply 100% false. It's also quite insulting to Hurley and Laettner, implying that they are somehow world-class morons. (Speaking completely unofficially, and with no facts to back me up, your grades don't have to be all *that* great to be admitted as an athlete to NU.)

Roy (and Aaron, and anyone else), it's your right to continue to be skeptical if you choose to, but why don't you apply the same skepticism to the story itself? Why not look for even a shred of tangible evidence regarding the origin of the story (which might exist), let alone evidence that it's true (which doesn't exist, because it's not true)?

I can only guess at the answer: the story is fun to tell, and re-tell, and "report" on lazy newscasts, and maybe put on Wikipedia from time to time. Truth isn't always nearly so fun.

That's my last word on this subject...at least for another twelve years.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:52 AM
To: 'Alan Abrahamson'; 'Northwestern Wildcats'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

But there is that Amaker story again....

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports) =================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:07 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read

http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2012/03/13/the-last-wallflower/

But for nary a word on Kevin Coble, it pretty much sums up the Northwestern basketball experience.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Mar 15 10:38:00 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:38:00 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
In-Reply-To: <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1369718@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>
References: <CAN7senhrK4TaEBTmwKGsafVNdt6HvK0W2xcc6BJCKOnUYqraDA@mail.gmail.com>
 <003901cd02a1$fbafe010$f30fa030$@com>
 <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1369718@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <001901cd02c1$9ae205e0$d0a611a0$@com>

That's fine, but the story does point out that the admissions guys DID NOT make a call on
the two transcripts, the interviewers did, essentially telling Amaker that those two would
not, in their opinion, get into NU.

I do remember Tex Winter in 1973 or 74 getting commits from a bunch of top Chicago
roundballers, only to get just a couple into school. It sorta adds fuel to the fire - the
Winter story was in the Daily Northwestern if you want to dig thru the archives....

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric C
West
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:42 AM
To: 'Northwestern Wildcats'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

Yes, fake urban legends are often as hard to get rid of as kudzu, especially when lazy
"reporters" need something to punch up their blog.

Even though I know it will have the same effect as talking to a brick wall, I will yet
again offer the following (completely verifiable) facts:

1. Only the Office of Admission makes admission decisions, including for athletes.
2. The Office of Admission doesn't even have contact with current coaches; they certainly
wouldn't talk to prospective ones, nor would they serve on an "interview committee" for
one.
3. No one in the Office of Admission would ever make a spot decision based on a
non-applying student's "r?sum?," whatever that word is supposed to mean in this context.
4. They certainly wouldn't give such an admission decision to an outsider who wasn't even
the student.

I happen to know these things because I worked in the Office of Undergraduate Admission
for four years, but they aren't exactly secrets. No doubt Amaker was a bit turned off that
recruiting at NU was more difficult than at other places, but the story as told in the
blog is simply 100% false. It's also quite insulting to Hurley and Laettner, implying that
they are somehow world-class morons. (Speaking completely unofficially, and with no facts
to back me up, your grades don't have to be all *that* great to be admitted as an athlete
to NU.)

Roy (and Aaron, and anyone else), it's your right to continue to be skeptical if you
choose to, but why don't you apply the same skepticism to the story itself? Why not look
for even a shred of tangible evidence regarding the origin of the story (which might
exist), let alone evidence that it's true (which doesn't exist, because it's not true)?

I can only guess at the answer: the story is fun to tell, and re-tell, and "report" on
lazy newscasts, and maybe put on Wikipedia from time to time. Truth isn't always nearly so
fun.

That's my last word on this subject...at least for another twelve years.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S.
Lamberton
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:52 AM
To: 'Alan Abrahamson'; 'Northwestern Wildcats'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

But there is that Amaker story again....

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any organizations of which I
am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion
Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and
energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:07 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read

http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2012/03/13/the-last-wallflower/

But for nary a word on Kevin Coble, it pretty much sums up the Northwestern basketball
experience.
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Mar 15 10:58:28 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:58:28 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
In-Reply-To: <001901cd02c1$9ae205e0$d0a611a0$@com>
References: <CAN7senhrK4TaEBTmwKGsafVNdt6HvK0W2xcc6BJCKOnUYqraDA@mail.gmail.com>
 <003901cd02a1$fbafe010$f30fa030$@com>
 <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1369718@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>
 <001901cd02c1$9ae205e0$d0a611a0$@com>
Message-ID: <796062018-1331827109-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1211190415-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Winter did say he had never seen a transcript like Mike Campbell's when he saw his straight A high school record from Knox,Ill

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:38:00 
To: 'Eric C West'<e-west at northwestern.edu>; 'Northwestern Wildcats'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

That's fine, but the story does point out that the admissions guys DID NOT make a call on
the two transcripts, the interviewers did, essentially telling Amaker that those two would
not, in their opinion, get into NU.

I do remember Tex Winter in 1973 or 74 getting commits from a bunch of top Chicago
roundballers, only to get just a couple into school. It sorta adds fuel to the fire - the
Winter story was in the Daily Northwestern if you want to dig thru the archives....

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric C
West
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:42 AM
To: 'Northwestern Wildcats'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

Yes, fake urban legends are often as hard to get rid of as kudzu, especially when lazy
"reporters" need something to punch up their blog.

Even though I know it will have the same effect as talking to a brick wall, I will yet
again offer the following (completely verifiable) facts:

1. Only the Office of Admission makes admission decisions, including for athletes.
2. The Office of Admission doesn't even have contact with current coaches; they certainly
wouldn't talk to prospective ones, nor would they serve on an "interview committee" for
one.
3. No one in the Office of Admission would ever make a spot decision based on a
non-applying student's "r?sum?," whatever that word is supposed to mean in this context.
4. They certainly wouldn't give such an admission decision to an outsider who wasn't even
the student.

I happen to know these things because I worked in the Office of Undergraduate Admission
for four years, but they aren't exactly secrets. No doubt Amaker was a bit turned off that
recruiting at NU was more difficult than at other places, but the story as told in the
blog is simply 100% false. It's also quite insulting to Hurley and Laettner, implying that
they are somehow world-class morons. (Speaking completely unofficially, and with no facts
to back me up, your grades don't have to be all *that* great to be admitted as an athlete
to NU.)

Roy (and Aaron, and anyone else), it's your right to continue to be skeptical if you
choose to, but why don't you apply the same skepticism to the story itself? Why not look
for even a shred of tangible evidence regarding the origin of the story (which might
exist), let alone evidence that it's true (which doesn't exist, because it's not true)?

I can only guess at the answer: the story is fun to tell, and re-tell, and "report" on
lazy newscasts, and maybe put on Wikipedia from time to time. Truth isn't always nearly so
fun.

That's my last word on this subject...at least for another twelve years.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S.
Lamberton
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:52 AM
To: 'Alan Abrahamson'; 'Northwestern Wildcats'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

But there is that Amaker story again....

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any organizations of which I
am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion
Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and
energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:07 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read

http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2012/03/13/the-last-wallflower/

But for nary a word on Kevin Coble, it pretty much sums up the Northwestern basketball
experience.
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Mar 15 14:03:52 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:03:52 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
In-Reply-To: <796062018-1331827109-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1211190415-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <CAN7senhrK4TaEBTmwKGsafVNdt6HvK0W2xcc6BJCKOnUYqraDA@mail.gmail.com>
 <003901cd02a1$fbafe010$f30fa030$@com>
 <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1369718@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>
 <001901cd02c1$9ae205e0$d0a611a0$@com>
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Message-ID: <CAAxRJu57F1+Xbe0X4qY65_S+2-mEZ8EoYTxQewrZxrN4vAuUUA@mail.gmail.com>

Speaking of Amaker:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/harvard-crimson-return-to-ncaa-tournament-under-tommy-amaker-but-academic-questions-remain-031412

"The definition of Harvard is its pristine academic reputation. But since
Amaker's hiring, that standard has a different meaning for its men?s
basketball team."

Discuss.


Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:58 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> Winter did say he had never seen a transcript like Mike Campbell's when he
> saw his straight A high school record from Knox,Ill
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:38:00
> To: 'Eric C West'<e-west at northwestern.edu>; 'Northwestern Wildcats'<
> nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> That's fine, but the story does point out that the admissions guys DID NOT
> make a call on
> the two transcripts, the interviewers did, essentially telling Amaker that
> those two would
> not, in their opinion, get into NU.
>
> I do remember Tex Winter in 1973 or 74 getting commits from a bunch of top
> Chicago
> roundballers, only to get just a couple into school. It sorta adds fuel to
> the fire - the
> Winter story was in the Daily Northwestern if you want to dig thru the
> archives....
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Eric C
> West
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:42 AM
> To: 'Northwestern Wildcats'
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> Yes, fake urban legends are often as hard to get rid of as kudzu,
> especially when lazy
> "reporters" need something to punch up their blog.
>
> Even though I know it will have the same effect as talking to a brick
> wall, I will yet
> again offer the following (completely verifiable) facts:
>
> 1. Only the Office of Admission makes admission decisions, including for
> athletes.
> 2. The Office of Admission doesn't even have contact with current coaches;
> they certainly
> wouldn't talk to prospective ones, nor would they serve on an "interview
> committee" for
> one.
> 3. No one in the Office of Admission would ever make a spot decision based
> on a
> non-applying student's "r?sum?," whatever that word is supposed to mean in
> this context.
> 4. They certainly wouldn't give such an admission decision to an outsider
> who wasn't even
> the student.
>
> I happen to know these things because I worked in the Office of
> Undergraduate Admission
> for four years, but they aren't exactly secrets. No doubt Amaker was a bit
> turned off that
> recruiting at NU was more difficult than at other places, but the story as
> told in the
> blog is simply 100% false. It's also quite insulting to Hurley and
> Laettner, implying that
> they are somehow world-class morons. (Speaking completely unofficially,
> and with no facts
> to back me up, your grades don't have to be all *that* great to be
> admitted as an athlete
> to NU.)
>
> Roy (and Aaron, and anyone else), it's your right to continue to be
> skeptical if you
> choose to, but why don't you apply the same skepticism to the story
> itself? Why not look
> for even a shred of tangible evidence regarding the origin of the story
> (which might
> exist), let alone evidence that it's true (which doesn't exist, because
> it's not true)?
>
> I can only guess at the answer: the story is fun to tell, and re-tell, and
> "report" on
> lazy newscasts, and maybe put on Wikipedia from time to time. Truth isn't
> always nearly so
> fun.
>
> That's my last word on this subject...at least for another twelve years.
>
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Roy S.
> Lamberton
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:52 AM
> To: 'Alan Abrahamson'; 'Northwestern Wildcats'
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> But there is that Amaker story again....
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any
> organizations of which I
> am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
> http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware
> American Legion
> Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University
> - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom,
> intelligence and
> energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =
>  =  =  =  =  =
> =  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me
> how to live,'
> We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Alan
> Abrahamson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:07 PM
> To: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2012/03/13/the-last-wallflower/
>
> But for nary a word on Kevin Coble, it pretty much sums up the
> Northwestern basketball
> experience.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Mar 15 14:14:08 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:14:08 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
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See Duke
.

 

rsl

 

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those of any organizations of which I am a member.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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--------------------- Also ----------------------

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Director Media Relations - Little League 

  Senior League Softball World Series

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Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968

Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)

=================================================

There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 

love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 

cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
<http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Dwight_D._Eisenhower/> 

=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =

If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 

tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"

                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"

===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

 

 

From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com [mailto:jonathanwhodges at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
Hodges
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:04 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Eric C West; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

 

Speaking of Amaker:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/harvard-crimson-return-to-ncaa-tournament
-under-tommy-amaker-but-academic-questions-remain-031412

"The definition of Harvard is its pristine academic reputation. But since Amaker's hiring,
that standard has a different meaning for its men?s basketball team."

Discuss.


Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu




On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:58 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

Winter did say he had never seen a transcript like Mike Campbell's when he saw his
straight A high school record from Knox,Ill

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:38:00
To: 'Eric C West'<e-west at northwestern.edu>; 'Northwestern Wildcats'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

That's fine, but the story does point out that the admissions guys DID NOT make a call on
the two transcripts, the interviewers did, essentially telling Amaker that those two would
not, in their opinion, get into NU.

I do remember Tex Winter in 1973 or 74 getting commits from a bunch of top Chicago
roundballers, only to get just a couple into school. It sorta adds fuel to the fire - the
Winter story was in the Daily Northwestern if you want to dig thru the archives....

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League
 Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric C
West
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:42 AM
To: 'Northwestern Wildcats'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

Yes, fake urban legends are often as hard to get rid of as kudzu, especially when lazy
"reporters" need something to punch up their blog.

Even though I know it will have the same effect as talking to a brick wall, I will yet
again offer the following (completely verifiable) facts:

1. Only the Office of Admission makes admission decisions, including for athletes.
2. The Office of Admission doesn't even have contact with current coaches; they certainly
wouldn't talk to prospective ones, nor would they serve on an "interview committee" for
one.
3. No one in the Office of Admission would ever make a spot decision based on a
non-applying student's "r?sum?," whatever that word is supposed to mean in this context.
4. They certainly wouldn't give such an admission decision to an outsider who wasn't even
the student.

I happen to know these things because I worked in the Office of Undergraduate Admission
for four years, but they aren't exactly secrets. No doubt Amaker was a bit turned off that
recruiting at NU was more difficult than at other places, but the story as told in the
blog is simply 100% false. It's also quite insulting to Hurley and Laettner, implying that
they are somehow world-class morons. (Speaking completely unofficially, and with no facts
to back me up, your grades don't have to be all *that* great to be admitted as an athlete
to NU.)

Roy (and Aaron, and anyone else), it's your right to continue to be skeptical if you
choose to, but why don't you apply the same skepticism to the story itself? Why not look
for even a shred of tangible evidence regarding the origin of the story (which might
exist), let alone evidence that it's true (which doesn't exist, because it's not true)?

I can only guess at the answer: the story is fun to tell, and re-tell, and "report" on
lazy newscasts, and maybe put on Wikipedia from time to time. Truth isn't always nearly so
fun.

That's my last word on this subject...at least for another twelve years.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S.
Lamberton
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:52 AM
To: 'Alan Abrahamson'; 'Northwestern Wildcats'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

But there is that Amaker story again....

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any organizations of which I
am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion
Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
 Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and
energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
We're Doomed!"
                  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:07 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read

http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2012/03/13/the-last-wallflower/

But for nary a word on Kevin Coble, it pretty much sums up the Northwestern basketball
experience.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Mar 15 14:43:06 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 15:43:06 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu57F1+Xbe0X4qY65_S+2-mEZ8EoYTxQewrZxrN4vAuUUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7senhrK4TaEBTmwKGsafVNdt6HvK0W2xcc6BJCKOnUYqraDA@mail.gmail.com>
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This is also mostly old news.

Amaker did get his hand slapped by the AD four years ago and told that the expectation was that Amaker and his staff would conduct themselves in a manner "above reproach".

Since that time, the only sorts of issues that he has encountered are these anonymous snipes from other coaches.  They are not saying that Amaker is recruiting and Harvard is accepting kids the violate the league rule.  They are complaining that Harvard previously had a higher minimum than the Ivy league, but now will admit kids that simply meet the standards of the league.

The bottom line for me is whether Amaker's kids will graduate at the 100% rate of previous teams.

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-13/ncaa-tournament-graduation-rate-little-changed-with-harvard-duke-at-100-?category=%2Fnews%2Fmostread

So let's move onto discussion.

IMHO this whole discussion at Harvard or Duke or NU for that matter is a red herring.  The kids that are accepted at those schools for whatever reason are smart, well prepared, get a lot of support, and graduate.

The REAL issue is that there is a 28% difference between white (88%) and African American graduation rates (60%) at NCAA sanctioned schools, and the graduation rate for African American male students who aren't athletes is 22% lower than that.

This isn't an indictment of universities or athletics in particular, but rather a question of how we as a diverse society can expect to prosper when we are failing to prepare our minority kids for the most reliable path to a good job - a college degree.

Jeff
 


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:04 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

Speaking of Amaker:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/harvard-crimson-return-to-ncaa-tournament-under-tommy-amaker-but-academic-questions-remain-031412

"The definition of Harvard is its pristine academic reputation. But since
Amaker's hiring, that standard has a different meaning for its men's
basketball team."

Discuss.


Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:58 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> Winter did say he had never seen a transcript like Mike Campbell's when he
> saw his straight A high school record from Knox,Ill
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:38:00
> To: 'Eric C West'<e-west at northwestern.edu>; 'Northwestern Wildcats'<
> nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> That's fine, but the story does point out that the admissions guys DID NOT
> make a call on
> the two transcripts, the interviewers did, essentially telling Amaker that
> those two would
> not, in their opinion, get into NU.
>
> I do remember Tex Winter in 1973 or 74 getting commits from a bunch of top
> Chicago
> roundballers, only to get just a couple into school. It sorta adds fuel to
> the fire - the
> Winter story was in the Daily Northwestern if you want to dig thru the
> archives....
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Eric C
> West
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:42 AM
> To: 'Northwestern Wildcats'
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> Yes, fake urban legends are often as hard to get rid of as kudzu,
> especially when lazy
> "reporters" need something to punch up their blog.
>
> Even though I know it will have the same effect as talking to a brick
> wall, I will yet
> again offer the following (completely verifiable) facts:
>
> 1. Only the Office of Admission makes admission decisions, including for
> athletes.
> 2. The Office of Admission doesn't even have contact with current coaches;
> they certainly
> wouldn't talk to prospective ones, nor would they serve on an "interview
> committee" for
> one.
> 3. No one in the Office of Admission would ever make a spot decision based
> on a
> non-applying student's "r?sum?," whatever that word is supposed to mean in
> this context.
> 4. They certainly wouldn't give such an admission decision to an outsider
> who wasn't even
> the student.
>
> I happen to know these things because I worked in the Office of
> Undergraduate Admission
> for four years, but they aren't exactly secrets. No doubt Amaker was a bit
> turned off that
> recruiting at NU was more difficult than at other places, but the story as
> told in the
> blog is simply 100% false. It's also quite insulting to Hurley and
> Laettner, implying that
> they are somehow world-class morons. (Speaking completely unofficially,
> and with no facts
> to back me up, your grades don't have to be all *that* great to be
> admitted as an athlete
> to NU.)
>
> Roy (and Aaron, and anyone else), it's your right to continue to be
> skeptical if you
> choose to, but why don't you apply the same skepticism to the story
> itself? Why not look
> for even a shred of tangible evidence regarding the origin of the story
> (which might
> exist), let alone evidence that it's true (which doesn't exist, because
> it's not true)?
>
> I can only guess at the answer: the story is fun to tell, and re-tell, and
> "report" on
> lazy newscasts, and maybe put on Wikipedia from time to time. Truth isn't
> always nearly so
> fun.
>
> That's my last word on this subject...at least for another twelve years.
>
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Roy S.
> Lamberton
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:52 AM
> To: 'Alan Abrahamson'; 'Northwestern Wildcats'
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> But there is that Amaker story again....
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any
> organizations of which I
> am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
> http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware
> American Legion
> Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University
> - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom,
> intelligence and
> energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =
>  =  =  =  =  =
> =  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me
> how to live,'
> We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Alan
> Abrahamson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:07 PM
> To: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2012/03/13/the-last-wallflower/
>
> But for nary a word on Kevin Coble, it pretty much sums up the
> Northwestern basketball
> experience.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Mar 15 15:21:11 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:21:11 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
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It is all about parental support - 

Drew Crawford's parent obviously care about his college play (and I bet his grades to
boot).

But for some kids in other programs, the coach is the first adult male who actually cares
if they both play and go to class (to stay eligible). I do some sub teaching, the kids who
do not have both parents, or who have parents who don't really care, don't respect anyone.


I once had a middle school kid tell me that it didn't matter what she did in school, she
was going to quit and become a hairdresser and eventually own her own shop.

Great ambition, but the kids who actually do that, are the ones who learn to respect
others. This girl had an attitude you could cut with a knife.

If Amaker is graduating 100% of his kids then he is to be applauded. Check around the Big
10 leaders and see what are their grad rates, particularly among Roundballers.

I still call them d(uh)OSU

rsl

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--------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:43 PM
To: Jonathan Hodges; hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

This is also mostly old news.

Amaker did get his hand slapped by the AD four years ago and told that the expectation was
that Amaker and his staff would conduct themselves in a manner "above reproach".

Since that time, the only sorts of issues that he has encountered are these anonymous
snipes from other coaches.  They are not saying that Amaker is recruiting and Harvard is
accepting kids the violate the league rule.  They are complaining that Harvard previously
had a higher minimum than the Ivy league, but now will admit kids that simply meet the
standards of the league.

The bottom line for me is whether Amaker's kids will graduate at the 100% rate of previous
teams.

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-13/ncaa-tournament-graduation-rate-little-changed
-with-harvard-duke-at-100-?category=%2Fnews%2Fmostread

So let's move onto discussion.

IMHO this whole discussion at Harvard or Duke or NU for that matter is a red herring.  The
kids that are accepted at those schools for whatever reason are smart, well prepared, get
a lot of support, and graduate.

The REAL issue is that there is a 28% difference between white (88%) and African American
graduation rates (60%) at NCAA sanctioned schools, and the graduation rate for African
American male students who aren't athletes is 22% lower than that.

This isn't an indictment of universities or athletics in particular, but rather a question
of how we as a diverse society can expect to prosper when we are failing to prepare our
minority kids for the most reliable path to a good job - a college degree.

Jeff
 


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:04 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

Speaking of Amaker:

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/harvard-crimson-return-to-ncaa-tournament
-under-tommy-amaker-but-academic-questions-remain-031412

"The definition of Harvard is its pristine academic reputation. But since Amaker's hiring,
that standard has a different meaning for its men's basketball team."

Discuss.


Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
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Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:58 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> Winter did say he had never seen a transcript like Mike Campbell's 
> when he saw his straight A high school record from Knox,Ill
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 11:38:00
> To: 'Eric C West'<e-west at northwestern.edu>; 'Northwestern Wildcats'< 
> nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> That's fine, but the story does point out that the admissions guys DID 
> NOT make a call on the two transcripts, the interviewers did, 
> essentially telling Amaker that those two would not, in their opinion, 
> get into NU.
>
> I do remember Tex Winter in 1973 or 74 getting commits from a bunch of 
> top Chicago roundballers, only to get just a couple into school. It 
> sorta adds fuel to the fire - the Winter story was in the Daily 
> Northwestern if you want to dig thru the archives....
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any 
> organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts 
> - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" 
> Delaware American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little 
> League  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern 
> University - Speech 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher 
> Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports) 
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, 
> intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. 
> Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = If we 
> become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,' We're 
> Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
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>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] 
> On Behalf Of Eric C West
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:42 AM
> To: 'Northwestern Wildcats'
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> Yes, fake urban legends are often as hard to get rid of as kudzu, 
> especially when lazy "reporters" need something to punch up their 
> blog.
>
> Even though I know it will have the same effect as talking to a brick 
> wall, I will yet again offer the following (completely verifiable) 
> facts:
>
> 1. Only the Office of Admission makes admission decisions, including 
> for athletes.
> 2. The Office of Admission doesn't even have contact with current 
> coaches; they certainly wouldn't talk to prospective ones, nor would 
> they serve on an "interview committee" for one.
> 3. No one in the Office of Admission would ever make a spot decision 
> based on a non-applying student's "r?sum?," whatever that word is 
> supposed to mean in this context.
> 4. They certainly wouldn't give such an admission decision to an 
> outsider who wasn't even the student.
>
> I happen to know these things because I worked in the Office of 
> Undergraduate Admission for four years, but they aren't exactly 
> secrets. No doubt Amaker was a bit turned off that recruiting at NU 
> was more difficult than at other places, but the story as told in the 
> blog is simply 100% false. It's also quite insulting to Hurley and 
> Laettner, implying that they are somehow world-class morons. (Speaking 
> completely unofficially, and with no facts to back me up, your grades 
> don't have to be all *that* great to be admitted as an athlete to NU.)
>
> Roy (and Aaron, and anyone else), it's your right to continue to be 
> skeptical if you choose to, but why don't you apply the same 
> skepticism to the story itself? Why not look for even a shred of 
> tangible evidence regarding the origin of the story (which might 
> exist), let alone evidence that it's true (which doesn't exist, 
> because it's not true)?
>
> I can only guess at the answer: the story is fun to tell, and re-tell, 
> and "report" on lazy newscasts, and maybe put on Wikipedia from time 
> to time. Truth isn't always nearly so fun.
>
> That's my last word on this subject...at least for another twelve years.
>
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] 
> On Behalf Of Roy S.
> Lamberton
> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:52 AM
> To: 'Alan Abrahamson'; 'Northwestern Wildcats'
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> But there is that Amaker story again....
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any 
> organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts 
> - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" 
> Delaware American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little 
> League  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern 
> University
> - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox 
> Sports) =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, 
> intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. 
> Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = =  =  =  =  =  = If we 
> become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
> We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] 
> On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:07 PM
> To: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
>
> http://tobaccoroadblues.com/2012/03/13/the-last-wallflower/
>
> But for nary a word on Kevin Coble, it pretty much sums up the 
> Northwestern basketball experience.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Mar 15 16:32:19 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:32:19 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Shapiro: Winning the Northwestern Way (audio)
Message-ID: <004101cd02f3$1adbbfd0$50933f70$@com>

https://bulkmail.northwestern.edu/trk/click?ref=zstwe3vud_0-65cx3afbx1133953&

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Mar 15 19:54:19 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:54:19 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
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Message-ID: <B31B89CB3A124B9C9DD3679210348F46@dennismachine>

<The REAL issue is that there is a 28% difference between white (88%) and 
African American graduation rates (60%) at NCAA sanctioned schools, and the 
graduation rate for African American male <students who aren't athletes is 
22% lower than that.

<This isn't an indictment of universities or athletics in particular, but 
rather a question of how we as a diverse society can expect to prosper when 
we are failing to prepare our minority kids for the most <reliable path to a 
good job - a college degree.

And this is entirely the fault of the American education system? 


From aaronsament at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 19:49:46 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:49:46 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Shapiro: Winning the Northwestern Way (audio)
In-Reply-To: <004101cd02f3$1adbbfd0$50933f70$@com>
References: <004101cd02f3$1adbbfd0$50933f70$@com>
Message-ID: <CAL_7m5qhzrAvhd+kU2eVmfZM0+-ct1F9nGtNWN5B8JPBs18YEQ@mail.gmail.com>

I just got home from the Murray St.-Colorado St game, and am now even more
depressed about the last couple weeks of our season.

After watching these pathetic performances from Colorado St and California,
I have no idea how they belong in the tournament.  We may not have done
much to help the committee in the end, but I have little doubt we could
dismantle those two...


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:

>
> https://bulkmail.northwestern.edu/trk/click?ref=zstwe3vud_0-65cx3afbx1133953&
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Mar 15 19:53:39 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 00:53:39 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
Message-ID: <1059725987-1331859220-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1458011942-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Not sure who is at fault. But if Jeff is correct that the graduation rate for African American student athlete is that much higher than non athletes it suggests to me that the universities on average are doing everything they can to help the kid get through and remain eligible at least until his final season's semester/quarter.  If so, then athletics are a net positive for bridging the race education gap 

Harry

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Dennis W. Brandt
To: Beamsley, Jeff
To: Jonathan Hodges
To: Harry
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
Sent: Mar 15, 2012 5:54 PM

<The REAL issue is that there is a 28% difference between white (88%) and 
African American graduation rates (60%) at NCAA sanctioned schools, and the 
graduation rate for African American male <students who aren't athletes is 
22% lower than that.

<This isn't an indictment of universities or athletics in particular, but 
rather a question of how we as a diverse society can expect to prosper when 
we are failing to prepare our minority kids for the most <reliable path to a 
good job - a college degree.

And this is entirely the fault of the American education system? 



Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 19:55:48 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:55:48 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Shapiro: Winning the Northwestern Way (audio)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_7m5qhzrAvhd+kU2eVmfZM0+-ct1F9nGtNWN5B8JPBs18YEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004101cd02f3$1adbbfd0$50933f70$@com>
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Message-ID: <4843003B-A034-4712-881E-33607CC7E8D1@yahoo.com>

I have little doubt that we would have fared very well in almost every other conference, consequently making it into the tournament. 



On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:49 PM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just got home from the Murray St.-Colorado St game, and am now even more
> depressed about the last couple weeks of our season.
> 
> After watching these pathetic performances from Colorado St and California,
> I have no idea how they belong in the tournament.  We may not have done
> much to help the committee in the end, but I have little doubt we could
> dismantle those two...
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Roy S. Lamberton
> <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:
> 
>> 
>> https://bulkmail.northwestern.edu/trk/click?ref=zstwe3vud_0-65cx3afbx1133953&
>> 
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
>> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>> Computer Applications & Support Associates
>> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
>> --------------------- Also ----------------------
>> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
>> Director Media Relations - Little League
>> Senior League Softball World Series
>> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
>> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
>> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
>> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
>> =================================================
>> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
>> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
>> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
>> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
>> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
>> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>>                  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
>> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 20:02:09 2012
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:02:09 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanford football series
Message-ID: <69376D64-3155-49EE-B390-F18396FFAD32@gmail.com>

NU announced a home and home with Stanford for 2015 and 2016 in advance of the previously scheduled four game series starting in 2019. I guess this two game set is a result of the scheduling deal between B1G and the PAC-12. 

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-14/sports/chi-nustanford-series-starts-in-2015-20120314_1_nu-stanford-nu-athletic-director-football-series


 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Thu Mar 15 20:08:14 2012
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:08:14 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Shapiro: Winning the Northwestern Way (audio)
In-Reply-To: <CAL_7m5qhzrAvhd+kU2eVmfZM0+-ct1F9nGtNWN5B8JPBs18YEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004101cd02f3$1adbbfd0$50933f70$@com>
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Message-ID: <C0CC4D2C-8A44-41B8-A6C2-853254AAFA9A@gmail.com>

It 's clear to me, although everyone connected with the committee would vehemently deny it, that Cal got a bid just to make sure the PAC-12 didn't go home with only one ticket to the dance.  Truth is, they were lucky to have that one as bad as that conference was this season. 

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Mar 15, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:

> I just got home from the Murray St.-Colorado St game, and am now even more
> depressed about the last couple weeks of our season.
> 
> After watching these pathetic performances from Colorado St and California,
> I have no idea how they belong in the tournament.  We may not have done
> much to help the committee in the end, but I have little doubt we could
> dismantle those two...
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Roy S. Lamberton
> <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:
> 
>> 
>> https://bulkmail.northwestern.edu/trk/click?ref=zstwe3vud_0-65cx3afbx1133953&
>> 
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
>> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>> Computer Applications & Support Associates
>> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
>> --------------------- Also ----------------------
>> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
>> Director Media Relations - Little League
>> Senior League Softball World Series
>> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
>> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
>> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
>> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
>> =================================================
>> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
>> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
>> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
>> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
>> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
>> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>>                  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
>> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From inaugurationbook at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 22:25:04 2012
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com (inaugurationbook at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:25:04 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanford football series
In-Reply-To: <69376D64-3155-49EE-B390-F18396FFAD32@gmail.com>
References: <69376D64-3155-49EE-B390-F18396FFAD32@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6EA12FB-2AA7-4AA3-8102-962FA9D8C172@yahoo.com>

This is great news for those of us who live in California. We'll now have at least four NU games in the bay area in the next ten years. Who knows - maybe another one in 2017 or 2018, too.

Jim B.



On Mar 15, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Mark Ament <sportsbiz at gmail.com> wrote:

> NU announced a home and home with Stanford for 2015 and 2016 in advance of the previously scheduled four game series starting in 2019. I guess this two game set is a result of the scheduling deal between B1G and the PAC-12. 
> 
> http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-14/sports/chi-nustanford-series-starts-in-2015-20120314_1_nu-stanford-nu-athletic-director-football-series
> 
> 
> Mark S. Ament
> sportsbiz at gmail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 15 22:26:49 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:26:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanford football series
In-Reply-To: <69376D64-3155-49EE-B390-F18396FFAD32@gmail.com>
References: <69376D64-3155-49EE-B390-F18396FFAD32@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1331868409.72374.YahooMailNeo@web121704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Great news - it just makes perfect sense.?

Now if the B(C)S morons would only follow the same logic of doing what makes sense for college football.

We've had a lot of NU games on the east coast recently with Army, Navy, BC, etc. Looks like the Cats are coming west more in the future with Cal and Stanford. Not exactly as close as that ASU game a few years back or a game in Tucson/Vegas, but I'll take it.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Only day one, but the Big Ten teams are shooting the lights out in the tourney so far (not faring too badly in the NIT either) ... hopefully that helps our case in retrospect (and the fascination with getting 9-10 teams out of the Big East fades) for future years of NU/NCAA bubble watching.
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Mark Ament <sportsbiz at gmail.com>
To: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:02 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanford football series
 
NU announced a home and home with Stanford for 2015 and 2016 in advance of the previously scheduled four game series starting in 2019. I guess this two game set is a result of the scheduling deal between B1G and the PAC-12. 

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-14/sports/chi-nustanford-series-starts-in-2015-20120314_1_nu-stanford-nu-athletic-director-football-series


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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Mar 15 22:28:12 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 03:28:12 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanford football series
In-Reply-To: <B6EA12FB-2AA7-4AA3-8102-962FA9D8C172@yahoo.com>
References: <69376D64-3155-49EE-B390-F18396FFAD32@gmail.com>
 <B6EA12FB-2AA7-4AA3-8102-962FA9D8C172@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1705999377-1331868492-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1977451953-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Don't forget the Rose Bowl Jim. Can't remember if that 2014 or 15

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: inaugurationbook at yahoo.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 20:25:04 
To: NU Sports List<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Stanford football series

This is great news for those of us who live in California. We'll now have at least four NU games in the bay area in the next ten years. Who knows - maybe another one in 2017 or 2018, too.

Jim B.



On Mar 15, 2012, at 6:02 PM, Mark Ament <sportsbiz at gmail.com> wrote:

> NU announced a home and home with Stanford for 2015 and 2016 in advance of the previously scheduled four game series starting in 2019. I guess this two game set is a result of the scheduling deal between B1G and the PAC-12. 
> 
> http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-14/sports/chi-nustanford-series-starts-in-2015-20120314_1_nu-stanford-nu-athletic-director-football-series
> 
> 
> Mark S. Ament
> sportsbiz at gmail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Mar 15 22:36:28 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 22:36:28 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanford football series
In-Reply-To: <69376D64-3155-49EE-B390-F18396FFAD32@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120316033628.5B05965762@romaine.tssi.com>

> NU announced a home and home with Stanford for 2015 and 2016 in advance of the previously scheduled four game series starting in 2019. I guess this two game set is a result of the scheduling deal between B1G and the PAC-12. 

These will be very good for NU visibility in the media and for recruiting, but 
based on where both schools were in 2011, we're likely to be big underdogs.
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Mar 15 22:43:10 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 03:43:10 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanford football series
Message-ID: <1526427587-1331869391-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1806478053-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Don't "bet" on us being dogs just yet.  With Harbaugh and Luck gone not sure where Stanford will be. Cal has its ups and downs even if more ups than downs recently

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: Mark Ament
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Stanford football series
Sent: Mar 15, 2012 8:36 PM

> NU announced a home and home with Stanford for 2015 and 2016 in advance of the previously scheduled four game series starting in 2019. I guess this two game set is a result of the scheduling deal between B1G and the PAC-12. 

These will be very good for NU visibility in the media and for recruiting, but 
based on where both schools were in 2011, we're likely to be big underdogs.
--
Mike Nolan

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Mar 16 09:26:51 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:26:51 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
In-Reply-To: <B31B89CB3A124B9C9DD3679210348F46@dennismachine>
References: <CAN7senhrK4TaEBTmwKGsafVNdt6HvK0W2xcc6BJCKOnUYqraDA@mail.gmail.com>
 <003901cd02a1$fbafe010$f30fa030$@com>
 <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1369718@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>
 <001901cd02c1$9ae205e0$d0a611a0$@com>
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Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC660280@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

The request was to "discuss" not to prescribe or assign blame.

I just asked a question.

I suspect that if we pursue this discussion much further it will become
more political than athletic.

But in an attempt to keep it vaguely in the athletic realm, as I recall
you are pretty much a results-oriented guy who likes to assign grades
based on outcomes. 

What grade would you give a system that produces these sorts of results?

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:54 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Jonathan Hodges; hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

<The REAL issue is that there is a 28% difference between white (88%)
and 
African American graduation rates (60%) at NCAA sanctioned schools, and
the 
graduation rate for African American male <students who aren't athletes
is 
22% lower than that.

<This isn't an indictment of universities or athletics in particular,
but 
rather a question of how we as a diverse society can expect to prosper
when 
we are failing to prepare our minority kids for the most <reliable path
to a 
good job - a college degree.

And this is entirely the fault of the American education system? 


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Mar 16 09:33:56 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:33:56 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
In-Reply-To: <1059725987-1331859220-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1458011942-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1059725987-1331859220-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1458011942-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC660285@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I agree that the additional help that minority athletes get seems to
have a positive effect.

The NCAA ads that are running now during the tourney promote that fact
without mentioning the racial gap in athletic graduation rates. 

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:54 PM
To: Dennis W. Brandt; Beamsley, Jeff; Jonathan Hodges
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

Not sure who is at fault. But if Jeff is correct that the graduation
rate for African American student athlete is that much higher than non
athletes it suggests to me that the universities on average are doing
everything they can to help the kid get through and remain eligible at
least until his final season's semester/quarter.  If so, then athletics
are a net positive for bridging the race education gap 

Harry

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Dennis W. Brandt
To: Beamsley, Jeff
To: Jonathan Hodges
To: Harry
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
Sent: Mar 15, 2012 5:54 PM

<The REAL issue is that there is a 28% difference between white (88%)
and 
African American graduation rates (60%) at NCAA sanctioned schools, and
the 
graduation rate for African American male <students who aren't athletes
is 
22% lower than that.

<This isn't an indictment of universities or athletics in particular,
but 
rather a question of how we as a diverse society can expect to prosper
when 
we are failing to prepare our minority kids for the most <reliable path
to a 
good job - a college degree.

And this is entirely the fault of the American education system? 



Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Mar 16 11:14:38 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:14:38 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC660285@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <1059725987-1331859220-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1458011942-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC660285@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <001e01cd038f$e6ce2a50$b46a7ef0$@com>

The mentoring that almost all college athletic programs have embraced has obviously led to
improvements in grad rates - I can point to my own son,  who played Div III but who was
required to attend a study hall every night during his freshman year, and who moderated
the same study hall the next year.

The had a young man who came in to play football who could barely read, much less write. 

His teammates were charged by the coach to help keep him in school. They took turns waking
him up every morning for class, proofread his papers, worked with his reading and this
kid, who would probably have been a drug enforcer if he hadn't gone to college, got a 4
year degree on time!

Would any college given him that much attention if he hadn't been a football player?
Probably not, but this guy now has a degree and can do a lot more with his life than just
be a big guy sitting around.

I do get hot over programs who recruit kids who are talented athletes, who then figure out
how to "game" the system and just barely squeak thru their coursework until they no longer
have eligibility. You see it in High Schools - the star football or basketball player who
is more interested in scoring (at all levels) than learning anything.

Many of these kids have no regard for their fellow students, or their teachers, only
listening to their coaches, who really only want them to perform on the court or field.

I don't have an answer - maybe Bill Cosby was right. If the kids only worked on homework
as much as they work on their jump shot....

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 AM
To: hakirsch at aol.com; Dennis W. Brandt; Jonathan Hodges
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

I agree that the additional help that minority athletes get seems to have a positive
effect.

The NCAA ads that are running now during the tourney promote that fact without mentioning
the racial gap in athletic graduation rates. 

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:54 PM
To: Dennis W. Brandt; Beamsley, Jeff; Jonathan Hodges
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

Not sure who is at fault. But if Jeff is correct that the graduation rate for African
American student athlete is that much higher than non athletes it suggests to me that the
universities on average are doing everything they can to help the kid get through and
remain eligible at least until his final season's semester/quarter.  If so, then athletics
are a net positive for bridging the race education gap 

Harry

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Dennis W. Brandt
To: Beamsley, Jeff
To: Jonathan Hodges
To: Harry
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
Sent: Mar 15, 2012 5:54 PM

<The REAL issue is that there is a 28% difference between white (88%) and African American
graduation rates (60%) at NCAA sanctioned schools, and the graduation rate for African
American male <students who aren't athletes is 22% lower than that.

<This isn't an indictment of universities or athletics in particular, but rather a
question of how we as a diverse society can expect to prosper when we are failing to
prepare our minority kids for the most <reliable path to a good job - a college degree.

And this is entirely the fault of the American education system? 



Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Mar 16 11:58:12 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:58:12 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
In-Reply-To: <001e01cd038f$e6ce2a50$b46a7ef0$@com>
References: <1059725987-1331859220-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1458011942-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC660285@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <001e01cd038f$e6ce2a50$b46a7ef0$@com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC6602BB@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Agree with all you wrote.

I think it would be interesting landscape if the NCAA got serious about graduation rates and some benefit other than karma accrued to institutions like NU who are committed to graduating every freshman.

I don't have answers either.

What I do know is that our economic prosperity depends on our ability to maximize our return from both physical and human assets. The human capital theory suggests that education is the single most important investment a country can make.  That investment, however, is failing to produce the same results across the population.  I'm sure there is plenty of blame to go around, but at this point the question isn't who is at fault.  It is can we succeed and be globally competitive with the present system (in the broadest definition of that word) which is failing a significant segment of our citizens?

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 12:15 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; hakirsch at aol.com; 'Dennis W. Brandt'; 'Jonathan Hodges'
Cc: 'Northwestern Wildcats'; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Must-read

The mentoring that almost all college athletic programs have embraced has obviously led to
improvements in grad rates - I can point to my own son,  who played Div III but who was
required to attend a study hall every night during his freshman year, and who moderated
the same study hall the next year.

The had a young man who came in to play football who could barely read, much less write. 

His teammates were charged by the coach to help keep him in school. They took turns waking
him up every morning for class, proofread his papers, worked with his reading and this
kid, who would probably have been a drug enforcer if he hadn't gone to college, got a 4
year degree on time!

Would any college given him that much attention if he hadn't been a football player?
Probably not, but this guy now has a degree and can do a lot more with his life than just
be a big guy sitting around.

I do get hot over programs who recruit kids who are talented athletes, who then figure out
how to "game" the system and just barely squeak thru their coursework until they no longer
have eligibility. You see it in High Schools - the star football or basketball player who
is more interested in scoring (at all levels) than learning anything.

Many of these kids have no regard for their fellow students, or their teachers, only
listening to their coaches, who really only want them to perform on the court or field.

I don't have an answer - maybe Bill Cosby was right. If the kids only worked on homework
as much as they work on their jump shot....

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 10:34 AM
To: hakirsch at aol.com; Dennis W. Brandt; Jonathan Hodges
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

I agree that the additional help that minority athletes get seems to have a positive
effect.

The NCAA ads that are running now during the tourney promote that fact without mentioning
the racial gap in athletic graduation rates. 

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:54 PM
To: Dennis W. Brandt; Beamsley, Jeff; Jonathan Hodges
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

Not sure who is at fault. But if Jeff is correct that the graduation rate for African
American student athlete is that much higher than non athletes it suggests to me that the
universities on average are doing everything they can to help the kid get through and
remain eligible at least until his final season's semester/quarter.  If so, then athletics
are a net positive for bridging the race education gap 

Harry

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Dennis W. Brandt
To: Beamsley, Jeff
To: Jonathan Hodges
To: Harry
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
Sent: Mar 15, 2012 5:54 PM

<The REAL issue is that there is a 28% difference between white (88%) and African American
graduation rates (60%) at NCAA sanctioned schools, and the graduation rate for African
American male <students who aren't athletes is 22% lower than that.

<This isn't an indictment of universities or athletics in particular, but rather a
question of how we as a diverse society can expect to prosper when we are failing to
prepare our minority kids for the most <reliable path to a good job - a college degree.

And this is entirely the fault of the American education system? 



Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Mar 16 20:56:56 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:56:56 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
References: <CAN7senhrK4TaEBTmwKGsafVNdt6HvK0W2xcc6BJCKOnUYqraDA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1369718@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>
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<What grade would you give a system that produces these sorts of results?

I wouldn't blame an educational system when it's not at fault.


From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Mar 16 21:44:29 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 02:44:29 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw:  Must-read
Message-ID: <157755143-1331952272-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-817731371-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 02:41:38 
To: Dennis W. Brandt<tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Reply-To: hakirsch at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read

You have to be na?ve to think the educational system is not at fault. One would also be na?ve to think the educational system is the only reason 
Any system that allocates better educational  resources (and I'm not just referring to money,-but for example  better teachers) to the more affluent areas and disproportionately less African American, is partly to blame.  Then again the educational system can only do so much when dealt a bad hand to begin with

While the above is political, one can also note that a disproportionate number of revenue producing  college athletes (ie football and basketball) are African American. Thus the failure to get these kids educational resources in line with those that tend to come from better school districts is a key source of the problem of academic eligibility ; it is not the only source.  (Whether eligibility means under NCAA rules or eligible for recruitment at NU ) 

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Dennis W. Brandt
To: Beamsley, Jeff
To: Jonathan Hodges
To: Harry
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
Sent: Mar 16, 2012 6:56 PM

<What grade would you give a system that produces these sorts of results?

I wouldn't blame an educational system when it's not at fault.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Mar 16 21:53:42 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:53:42 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] All that talk p.o.'d the selection committee
Message-ID: <000301cd03e9$2a635a70$7f2a0f50$@com>

And NU wound up in one tough bracket in the NIT....

So while the no name teams are knocking off the #2's, we're playing a team that seems to
be about 3 inches taller all around.

No joy so far, altho we did have a nice run in the 1st half. Washington just came roaring
back.

rsl

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--------------------- Also ----------------------
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  Senior League Softball World Series
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=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Mar 16 21:54:36 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:54:36 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] mixed bag half
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C174BF1B@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Cats did a lot of good things, but they clearly don't have much margin for error on the road against a talented and motivated team...so NU's propensity for turnovers (so irksome that Marcotullio continues to make telegraphed passes and Curletti tries ill-advised bombs, to name a few of the turnovers), missed front ends of one & ones, a two-point gift on a flagrant foul and the multitude of second chances for UW were the difference that gave UW a lead of seven going into the locker room.  All that being said, Shurna's prowess from trey land and some good ball movement and ball-hawking defense kept the Cats in and even had them up six before it turned around.  The size of the Huskies necessitates Curletti's presence - -  when he was out, UW's rebounding and paint advantages were even more pronounced.

Pretty obvious what the Cats will discuss at halftime and what they need to do to overcome this deficit.

From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Mar 16 22:03:12 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:03:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
In-Reply-To: <C2F870B5A0F64D0298F368F81CCD418B@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <20120317030312.441426543F@romaine.tssi.com>

In 1991, a former Creighton University basketball player sued the school. 

See http://openjurist.org/957/f2d/410/ross-v-creighton-university

When he took the ACT exam in high school he scored in the bottom 20%.
How he got admitted to Creighton was not explained, but clearly Creighton
could not have applied the same standards they did for other applicants.

During the time he was at the school (1978-1982) he had a D average and got 96 
credit hours (out of 128 needed to graduate), but according to his court filings 
they were mostly in courses like 'Marksmanship' and 'Theory of Basketball'.

At the time he left school, he was said to have only 4th grade language skills
and a 7th grade reading level.  

I'd like to think this couldn't happen in 2012, but I'm not convinced it couldn't
still happen at SOME schools.
--
Mike Nolan






From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Mar 16 22:15:05 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:15:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] bracket busting
Message-ID: <20120317031505.D0B3C65771@romaine.tssi.com>

Those you who had Hahvahd in your brackets are in trouble, but
those of you who had #1 seed Syracuse must be on oxygen after 
yesterday's close call against #16 seed UNC-Asheville.  

And two #2 seeds went out today, as Norfolk State took out
SEC-bound Mizzou while Duke lost to Lehigh.

If St. Bonaventure was indeed the school that kept NU out of 
the tournament, they didn't last long, losing to #3 seed FSU.

Did someone forget to tell the Cats that the second half
has started??  They can't buy a basket here!
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Mar 16 22:15:20 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 03:15:20 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Must-read
Message-ID: <524189620-1331954121-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1657581413-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>

And while Creighton is no Harvard (I mean NU!) its a fine Jesuit School that claims Coach Paul Silas as one of its alumni 

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: tbng at comcast.net
Cc: Beamsley Jeff
Cc: Jonathan Hodges
Cc: Harry
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Must-read
Sent: Mar 16, 2012 8:03 PM

In 1991, a former Creighton University basketball player sued the school. 

See http://openjurist.org/957/f2d/410/ross-v-creighton-university

When he took the ACT exam in high school he scored in the bottom 20%.
How he got admitted to Creighton was not explained, but clearly Creighton
could not have applied the same standards they did for other applicants.

During the time he was at the school (1978-1982) he had a D average and got 96 
credit hours (out of 128 needed to graduate), but according to his court filings 
they were mostly in courses like 'Marksmanship' and 'Theory of Basketball'.

At the time he left school, he was said to have only 4th grade language skills
and a 7th grade reading level.  

I'd like to think this couldn't happen in 2012, but I'm not convinced it couldn't
still happen at SOME schools.
--
Mike Nolan







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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Mar 16 22:22:06 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 03:22:06 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] bracket busting
Message-ID: <554480233-1331954496-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-474735951-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>

It looks like Carmody passed out qualudes at halftime.  This is painful to watch.  So far highlight of night is when announcers agreed:  "It's hard to find smarter than Northwestern." 
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] bracket busting
Sent: Mar 16, 2012 11:15 PM

Those you who had Hahvahd in your brackets are in trouble, but
those of you who had #1 seed Syracuse must be on oxygen after 
yesterday's close call against #16 seed UNC-Asheville.  

And two #2 seeds went out today, as Norfolk State took out
SEC-bound Mizzou while Duke lost to Lehigh.

If St. Bonaventure was indeed the school that kept NU out of 
the tournament, they didn't last long, losing to #3 seed FSU.

Did someone forget to tell the Cats that the second half
has started??  They can't buy a basket here!
--
Mike Nolan

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From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Mar 16 22:34:56 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:34:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] bracket busting
In-Reply-To: <554480233-1331954496-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-474735951-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20120317033456.4B16265766@romaine.tssi.com>

Painful is being too kind, this is outright torture.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Mar 16 22:45:40 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:45:40 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] I can't stand it....
Message-ID: <000901cd03f0$6d2d6ba0$478842e0$@com>

NU playing on the road in the other team's home court, our bench surrounded by Washington
fans, and the broadcast team sounding like they are doing the local Washington play by
play...

And we're not hitting our shots, or make any rebounds to speak of.

I've had it, Go Cats...

rsl

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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Fri Mar 16 22:55:45 2012
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (pcw at warnerpatents.com)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:55:45 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
Message-ID: <20120316205545.d337454a3e5b596654ec5360271bc4bb.4dc1cc1768.wbe@email03.secureserver.net>

FIRE BILL.  

We all know that Jim doesn?t have the authority to make the decision.

Bill should have been fired after his 5th season and every year
thereafter when it was clear that NU was never going to go anywhere.  It
was apparent, however, that Henry had told Bill that he would never fire
him as long as Henry was at the helm.  And, you cannot blame Henry for
being a man of his word.

Morty, I understand that, last year, you probably felt that you were
still too new on the job to dump Bill.  But, you?ve been around long
enough now.  Pull the trigger, NOW.




From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Mar 16 23:00:37 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 00:00:37 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] The Color Purple
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C174BF2C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Quite simply, UW looked like a better team tonight than any NU team in memory.  Shurna was a one-man band, it seemed, but for a couple of Marcotullio treys.  And Shurna looked like the only guy who could even make it onto the other team's roster.  Cobb and Crawford never got going and Hearn and Sobo were unable to do anything on offense, a far cry from when they were big contributors to the offense when the Cats were having their best stretches of the season.   When the Cats were able to stop UW on defense, offensive rebounds over and over gave the home team more chances that usually proved fruitful.  The 11 turnovers in the first half were more than NU averages in a game...then in the second half, the Cats' shooting was way off and the Huskies beat 'em to just about every loose ball and played and shot confidently, unlike the visitors.



An ignominious end to the season...



A big thanks to Shurna for a career beyond equal in NU annals and for the heart and class he always showed.  And to him and the other seniors for their efforts during a time that had more success than any before for NU.



The team never reached the NCAAs, but gave us plenty to enjoy and had a lot about which it can be proud.






From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Mar 16 23:10:11 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 04:10:11 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
Message-ID: <2108132871-1331957403-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1643921716-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Reluctantly, I think I have to agree.  In the past 3 days I have seen 2 "academic" institutions in the Patriot League in huge upsets--Lehigh tonight (over Duke) and my son's school, Bucknell (over Arizona in NIT)--both in hostile enviroments--and both with excellent big men.  Is there a message there?  Yes.  We will never make the Dance as long as we are undersized, too slow and murdered off the rack.  There are a lot of young, aggressive hungry coaches out there--and Chicago's Big Ten Team needs to go get one.  It may well mean a step back--but I fear we will never take the final step forward under Coach Carmody--a good man and a bright coach, who unfortunately cannot take us where we need to go.  It is time for a change.  The Princeton offense ain't gonna do it. 
------Original Message------
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
Sent: Mar 16, 2012 11:55 PM

FIRE BILL.  

We all know that Jim doesn?t have the authority to make the decision.

Bill should have been fired after his 5th season and every year
thereafter when it was clear that NU was never going to go anywhere.  It
was apparent, however, that Henry had told Bill that he would never fire
him as long as Henry was at the helm.  And, you cannot blame Henry for
being a man of his word.

Morty, I understand that, last year, you probably felt that you were
still too new on the job to dump Bill.  But, you?ve been around long
enough now.  Pull the trigger, NOW.



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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 23:11:33 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:11:33 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
In-Reply-To: <2108132871-1331957403-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1643921716-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <2108132871-1331957403-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1643921716-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <-4956909408225061338@unknownmsgid>

The Lehigh coach is really impressive on TV ...

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 16, 2012, at 9:10 PM, "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Reluctantly, I think I have to agree.  In the past 3 days I have seen 2 "academic" institutions in the Patriot League in huge upsets--Lehigh tonight (over Duke) and my son's school, Bucknell (over Arizona in NIT)--both in hostile enviroments--and both with excellent big men.  Is there a message there?  Yes.  We will never make the Dance as long as we are undersized, too slow and murdered off the rack.  There are a lot of young, aggressive hungry coaches out there--and Chicago's Big Ten Team needs to go get one.  It may well mean a step back--but I fear we will never take the final step forward under Coach Carmody--a good man and a bright coach, who unfortunately cannot take us where we need to go.  It is time for a change.  The Princeton offense ain't gonna do it.
> ------Original Message------
> From: pcw at warnerpatents.com
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
> Sent: Mar 16, 2012 11:55 PM
>
> FIRE BILL.
>
> We all know that Jim doesn?t have the authority to make the decision.
>
> Bill should have been fired after his 5th season and every year
> thereafter when it was clear that NU was never going to go anywhere.  It
> was apparent, however, that Henry had told Bill that he would never fire
> him as long as Henry was at the helm.  And, you cannot blame Henry for
> being a man of his word.
>
> Morty, I understand that, last year, you probably felt that you were
> still too new on the job to dump Bill.  But, you?ve been around long
> enough now.  Pull the trigger, NOW.
>
>
>
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>
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From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 23:18:36 2012
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Art Miller)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:18:36 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
In-Reply-To: <2108132871-1331957403-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1643921716-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <2108132871-1331957403-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1643921716-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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While we're beating a dead horse, let's not forget the major investments in facilities upgrades as well.



On Mar 16, 2012, at 11:10 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Reluctantly, I think I have to agree.  In the past 3 days I have seen 2 "academic" institutions in the Patriot League in huge upsets--Lehigh tonight (over Duke) and my son's school, Bucknell (over Arizona in NIT)--both in hostile enviroments--and both with excellent big men.  Is there a message there?  Yes.  We will never make the Dance as long as we are undersized, too slow and murdered off the rack.  There are a lot of young, aggressive hungry coaches out there--and Chicago's Big Ten Team needs to go get one.  It may well mean a step back--but I fear we will never take the final step forward under Coach Carmody--a good man and a bright coach, who unfortunately cannot take us where we need to go.  It is time for a change.  The Princeton offense ain't gonna do it. 
> ------Original Message------
> From: pcw at warnerpatents.com
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
> Sent: Mar 16, 2012 11:55 PM
> 
> FIRE BILL.  
> 
> We all know that Jim doesn?t have the authority to make the decision.
> 
> Bill should have been fired after his 5th season and every year
> thereafter when it was clear that NU was never going to go anywhere.  It
> was apparent, however, that Henry had told Bill that he would never fire
> him as long as Henry was at the helm.  And, you cannot blame Henry for
> being a man of his word.
> 
> Morty, I understand that, last year, you probably felt that you were
> still too new on the job to dump Bill.  But, you?ve been around long
> enough now.  Pull the trigger, NOW.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Mar 16 23:23:54 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 04:23:54 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
In-Reply-To: <-4956909408225061338@unknownmsgid>
References: <2108132871-1331957403-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1643921716-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>
 <-4956909408225061338@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <1899899213-1331958205-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-192065253-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>

I felt the same way.  Confident, classy, poised--not arrogant at all.  And you can just tell he makes his players hit the books too.  I thought C. J. McCollum was a good kid--and a fantastic player.  Reminds me of Kemba Walker last year--lifts everyone around him.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 21:11:33 
To: neonrye at aol.com<neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: pcw at warnerpatents.com<pcw at warnerpatents.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .

The Lehigh coach is really impressive on TV ...

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 16, 2012, at 9:10 PM, "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Reluctantly, I think I have to agree.  In the past 3 days I have seen 2 "academic" institutions in the Patriot League in huge upsets--Lehigh tonight (over Duke) and my son's school, Bucknell (over Arizona in NIT)--both in hostile enviroments--and both with excellent big men.  Is there a message there?  Yes.  We will never make the Dance as long as we are undersized, too slow and murdered off the rack.  There are a lot of young, aggressive hungry coaches out there--and Chicago's Big Ten Team needs to go get one.  It may well mean a step back--but I fear we will never take the final step forward under Coach Carmody--a good man and a bright coach, who unfortunately cannot take us where we need to go.  It is time for a change.  The Princeton offense ain't gonna do it.
> ------Original Message------
> From: pcw at warnerpatents.com
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
> Sent: Mar 16, 2012 11:55 PM
>
> FIRE BILL.
>
> We all know that Jim doesn?t have the authority to make the decision.
>
> Bill should have been fired after his 5th season and every year
> thereafter when it was clear that NU was never going to go anywhere.  It
> was apparent, however, that Henry had told Bill that he would never fire
> him as long as Henry was at the helm.  And, you cannot blame Henry for
> being a man of his word.
>
> Morty, I understand that, last year, you probably felt that you were
> still too new on the job to dump Bill.  But, you?ve been around long
> enough now.  Pull the trigger, NOW.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Mar 16 23:25:17 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 04:25:17 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
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You are right, Art.  Clearly, Carmody is a "victim" of the inadequacies of Welsh-Ryan a/k/a McGaw.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Art Miller <artmiller1 at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:18:36 
To: neonrye at aol.com<neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: pcw at warnerpatents.com<pcw at warnerpatents.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .

While we're beating a dead horse, let's not forget the major investments in facilities upgrades as well.



On Mar 16, 2012, at 11:10 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Reluctantly, I think I have to agree.  In the past 3 days I have seen 2 "academic" institutions in the Patriot League in huge upsets--Lehigh tonight (over Duke) and my son's school, Bucknell (over Arizona in NIT)--both in hostile enviroments--and both with excellent big men.  Is there a message there?  Yes.  We will never make the Dance as long as we are undersized, too slow and murdered off the rack.  There are a lot of young, aggressive hungry coaches out there--and Chicago's Big Ten Team needs to go get one.  It may well mean a step back--but I fear we will never take the final step forward under Coach Carmody--a good man and a bright coach, who unfortunately cannot take us where we need to go.  It is time for a change.  The Princeton offense ain't gonna do it. 
> ------Original Message------
> From: pcw at warnerpatents.com
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
> Sent: Mar 16, 2012 11:55 PM
> 
> FIRE BILL.  
> 
> We all know that Jim doesn?t have the authority to make the decision.
> 
> Bill should have been fired after his 5th season and every year
> thereafter when it was clear that NU was never going to go anywhere.  It
> was apparent, however, that Henry had told Bill that he would never fire
> him as long as Henry was at the helm.  And, you cannot blame Henry for
> being a man of his word.
> 
> Morty, I understand that, last year, you probably felt that you were
> still too new on the job to dump Bill.  But, you?ve been around long
> enough now.  Pull the trigger, NOW.
> 
> 
> 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 17 00:29:52 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 22:29:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
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For the sake of argument, allow me to throw out a word of hesitation to the mobs with their pitchforks ...

- I won't bother to relay the analogy of Minnesota football, who grew tired of mid-level success under Glen Mason and fired him only to slip back firmly into the Big Ten basement, despite a facility upgrade

- I won't point out that NU was closer to the NCAA tournament this year than in any other year in its history

- I will simply ask, who are we gonna get?

We will not lower our standards for admission -- nor should we -- so the Tommy Amaker story can kiss my purple behind and be gone forever from NU sports list lore ... hopefully.

And we will not entice a hot young coach from Butler or Lehigh because they will have better offers and more money from elsewhere.

So ... who you gonna get???

If it's someone better than Bill Carmody, then by all means, go on your merry pitchfork 'n' torches way.

But if you're just going to get rid of someone because of the heartbreak of coming so close the past few years (as opposed to decades of bliss and indifference ... and suckage), then I would be careful about getting what you wish for, because unless we're heading into the Coach Hardy era, I'm not sure I see NU moving forward or even staying in neutral with anyone else out there.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: "pcw at warnerpatents.com" <pcw at warnerpatents.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:55 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
 
FIRE BILL.? 

We all know that Jim doesn?t have the authority to make the decision.

Bill should have been fired after his 5th season and every year
thereafter when it was clear that NU was never going to go anywhere.? It
was apparent, however, that Henry had told Bill that he would never fire
him as long as Henry was at the helm.? And, you cannot blame Henry for
being a man of his word.

Morty, I understand that, last year, you probably felt that you were
still too new on the job to dump Bill.? But, you?ve been around long
enough now.? Pull the trigger, NOW.



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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 01:11:13 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:11:13 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] All that talk p.o.'d the selection committee
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Agreed. This game might have made sense in the third round of the NIT, but
NU should have been a higher seed, and not have to play against the team
that may have been the biggest slight by the NCAA tourney in the second
round on their home floor.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> And NU wound up in one tough bracket in the NIT....
>
> So while the no name teams are knocking off the #2's, we're playing a team
> that seems to
> be about 3 inches taller all around.
>
> No joy so far, altho we did have a nice run in the 1st half. Washington
> just came roaring
> back.
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
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>
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 01:33:43 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:33:43 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] All that talk p.o.'d the selection committee
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Personally -- I think we got what we deserved.

If we had beaten Minnesota, this might have all been moot.

Woulda coulda shoulda etc.

Everyone will recall I had said a few posts back that we were not going to
win the NIT. I bring this up again not out of any sense of "I told you so."
It was just obvious.

We had weaknesses that were glaringly evident. Hard to acknowledge but
let's face facts. We couldn't rebound. We often couldn't shoot the front
end of 1-and-1s and, as I pointed out in an off-the-list note tonight to a
list friend, the last I looked, you win basketball games by scoring points.
Our lack of height was a defensive liability to the max. Our lack of depth
was brutal.

An athletic team like Washington -- which you can see by the way they turn
the ball over is still a year away from making the NCAA -- naturally proved
a deadly match-up for this edition of the Northwestern men's basketball
team.

I feel badly for Shurna. Arguably the best player in NU basketball history
and he didn't get to go to the tournament. That is a major disappointment.

I have said before that I believe Carmody must go. We need new energy and
new direction.

If Jim Phillips believes Carmody stays, I absolutely will continue to
support the coach and the program. But -- I believe Bill has had his turn
to show what he can do, and taken the program as far as he can take it.
It's time for someone new.









On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>wrote:

> Agreed. This game might have made sense in the third round of the NIT, but
> NU should have been a higher seed, and not have to play against the team
> that may have been the biggest slight by the NCAA tourney in the second
> round on their home floor.
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Roy S. Lamberton
> <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:
>
> > And NU wound up in one tough bracket in the NIT....
> >
> > So while the no name teams are knocking off the #2's, we're playing a
> team
> > that seems to
> > be about 3 inches taller all around.
> >
> > No joy so far, altho we did have a nice run in the 1st half. Washington
> > just came roaring
> > back.
> >
> > rsl
> >
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> > those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> > Computer Applications & Support Associates
> > Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> > --------------------- Also ----------------------
> > "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> > Director Media Relations - Little League
> >  Senior League Softball World Series
> > CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> > Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> > Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> > Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> > =================================================
> > There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> > love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> > cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> > =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> > If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> > tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
> >                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> > ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
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> >
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 01:38:52 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:38:52 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
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Stephen, and all list friends,

Arguing for change doesn't make us a "mob with ... pitchforks."

It has been 12 years.

I think that is plenty of time for cool heads to reason through the
situation and think that perhaps Bill has had time to show what he can do.

It's not a good argument to say let's not change because we're afraid of
change. We know what we have with Bill. For sure we know.

-- Alan




On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:29 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> For the sake of argument, allow me to throw out a word of hesitation to
> the mobs with their pitchforks ...
>
> - I won't bother to relay the analogy of Minnesota football, who grew
> tired of mid-level success under Glen Mason and fired him only to slip back
> firmly into the Big Ten basement, despite a facility upgrade
>
> - I won't point out that NU was closer to the NCAA tournament this year
> than in any other year in its history
>
> - I will simply ask, who are we gonna get?
>
> We will not lower our standards for admission -- nor should we -- so the
> Tommy Amaker story can kiss my purple behind and be gone forever from NU
> sports list lore ... hopefully.
>
> And we will not entice a hot young coach from Butler or Lehigh because
> they will have better offers and more money from elsewhere.
>
> So ... who you gonna get???
>
> If it's someone better than Bill Carmody, then by all means, go on your
> merry pitchfork 'n' torches way.
>
> But if you're just going to get rid of someone because of the heartbreak
> of coming so close the past few years (as opposed to decades of bliss and
> indifference ... and suckage), then I would be careful about getting what
> you wish for, because unless we're heading into the Coach Hardy era, I'm
> not sure I see NU moving forward or even staying in neutral with anyone
> else out there.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: "pcw at warnerpatents.com" <pcw at warnerpatents.com>
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:55 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
>
> FIRE BILL.
>
> We all know that Jim doesn?t have the authority to make the decision.
>
> Bill should have been fired after his 5th season and every year
> thereafter when it was clear that NU was never going to go anywhere.  It
> was apparent, however, that Henry had told Bill that he would never fire
> him as long as Henry was at the helm.  And, you cannot blame Henry for
> being a man of his word.
>
> Morty, I understand that, last year, you probably felt that you were
> still too new on the job to dump Bill.  But, you?ve been around long
> enough now.  Pull the trigger, NOW.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 17 01:55:26 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 23:55:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
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With all due respect, Alan, the buzzer had barely sounded in Seattle and an all-caps e-mail subject line was waiting for me in my inbox with an all-caps message of "FIRE BILL" -- so in the age of netiquette, that passes for pitchforks and torches in my book. :)

And I never said I was "afraid" of change - I simply asked "who?" Who are the folks that are charging headstrong over that hill (or it it a cliff? :) ) of change thinking can replace the most successful coach in NU basketball history?

?
Who?

- Stephen


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "pcw at warnerpatents.com" <pcw at warnerpatents.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
 

Stephen, and all list friends,

Arguing for change doesn't make us a "mob with ... pitchforks."

It has been 12 years.

I think that is plenty of time for cool heads to reason through the situation and think that perhaps Bill has had time to show what he can do.

It's not a good argument to say let's not change because we're afraid of change. We know what we have with Bill. For sure we know.?

-- Alan





On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:29 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

For the sake of argument, allow me to throw out a word of hesitation to the mobs with their pitchforks ...
>
>- I won't bother to relay the analogy of Minnesota football, who grew tired of mid-level success under Glen Mason and fired him only to slip back firmly into the Big Ten basement, despite a facility upgrade
>
>- I won't point out that NU was closer to the NCAA tournament this year than in any other year in its history
>
>- I will simply ask, who are we gonna get?
>
>We will not lower our standards for admission -- nor should we -- so the Tommy Amaker story can kiss my purple behind and be gone forever from NU sports list lore ... hopefully.
>
>And we will not entice a hot young coach from Butler or Lehigh because they will have better offers and more money from elsewhere.
>
>So ... who you gonna get???
>
>If it's someone better than Bill Carmody, then by all means, go on your merry pitchfork 'n' torches way.
>
>But if you're just going to get rid of someone because of the heartbreak of coming so close the past few years (as opposed to decades of bliss and indifference ... and suckage), then I would be careful about getting what you wish for, because unless we're heading into the Coach Hardy era, I'm not sure I see NU moving forward or even staying in neutral with anyone else out there.
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>
>?
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog at yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
>________________________________
>
>
>
>________________________________
>?From: "pcw at warnerpatents.com" <pcw at warnerpatents.com>
>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:55 PM
>
>Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
>
>
>FIRE BILL.?
>
>We all know that Jim doesn?t have the authority to make the decision.
>
>Bill should have been fired after his 5th season and every year
>thereafter when it was clear that NU was never going to go anywhere.? It
>was apparent, however, that Henry had told Bill that he would never fire
>him as long as Henry was at the helm.? And, you cannot blame Henry for
>being a man of his word.
>
>Morty, I understand that, last year, you probably felt that you were
>still too new on the job to dump Bill.? But, you?ve been around long
>enough now.? Pull the trigger, NOW.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>nwu-sports site list
>nwu-sports at tssi.com
>http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Mar 17 08:23:17 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:23:17 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] So you want to dump Bill C
Message-ID: <000001cd0441$1efbb490$5cf31db0$@com>

Vote here:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-poll-nuhoops-0317,0,615386.poll

However I can remember similar calls to fire a coach... right before Tom Landry brought
the Cowboys back to the Superbowl, which they won.

Just be careful who you fire and when.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 17 09:12:02 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 14:12:02 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Hey, Chris Collins might be available ... Er ...
Message-ID: <1049131993-1331993521-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-4776665-@b27.c29.bise6.blackberry>

Bet his price went down a notch yesterday. 

SJT's invocation of the Mason example is a chilling thought. Far too often as a sportswriter I hear "we hired Coach X" to take us to the next level" and Coach X sure does ... the next level down that is. 

Carmody is not an embarrassment behavior-wise like O'Neill was and as noted has brought NU unprecedented success. I can see sacking him but best be careful about it. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From cherron604 at aol.com  Sat Mar 17 09:16:42 2012
From: cherron604 at aol.com (chuck herron)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:16:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
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 We should not let fear that 'we can't do any better' keep us from taking action,  think back to late 1991, when Francis Peay was being decent but unspectacular.  He had just completed a 3-8 season, his 3rd 8th place finish in the league.  Fortunately for us, Arnold Weber, a very under-appreciated leader, and Bruce Corrie, practically forgotten as an Athletic Director, decided to make a change, and bring in a young Assistant coach from Colorado, who had been a QB-FB coach from 1984 to 1990, and who had served as Offensive Coordinator in 1991.  I remember at the time that some recommended caution in acting too brashly, but that inspired hiring brought us 2 Big Ten titles, trips to Pasadena and Orlando, and laid the foundation, built upon by RW, that we enjoy today.

I guess all of this tells me that there is very possibly a mid-major head coach or an assistant on one of theses March benches who is capable of bringing smart, talented kids to campus, keeping them on-target in the class room, and inspiring them to do great things, with or without state of the art facilities.  I would point out that Tubby's guys beat us in the conference tournament, in spite of the Williams Arena not being 'latest and greatest' as a facility.

In short, let's not use the excuse that 'we are doing decent, we can't do any better' and stand in the way of our leadership team making another inspired choice.  Isn't the whole 'Northwestern Way' about great leaders making inspired decisions when the experts seem to say that 'nothing will work, you cannot do better' ?
 
Chuck Herron, Tech '85
cherron604 at aol.com

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Mar 17, 2012 1:56 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .


With all due respect, Alan, the buzzer had barely sounded in Seattle and an 
all-caps e-mail subject line was waiting for me in my inbox with an all-caps 
message of "FIRE BILL" -- so in the age of netiquette, that passes for 
pitchforks and torches in my book. :)

And I never said I was "afraid" of change - I simply asked "who?" Who are the 
folks that are charging headstrong over that hill (or it it a cliff? :) ) of 
change thinking can replace the most successful coach in NU basketball history?

 
Who?

- Stephen


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
Cc: "pcw at warnerpatents.com" <pcw at warnerpatents.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" 
<nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
 

Stephen, and all list friends,

Arguing for change doesn't make us a "mob with ... pitchforks."

It has been 12 years.

I think that is plenty of time for cool heads to reason through the situation 
and think that perhaps Bill has had time to show what he can do.

It's not a good argument to say let's not change because we're afraid of change. 
We know what we have with Bill. For sure we know. 

-- Alan





On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:29 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
wrote:

For the sake of argument, allow me to throw out a word of hesitation to the mobs 
with their pitchforks ...
>
>- I won't bother to relay the analogy of Minnesota football, who grew tired of 
mid-level success under Glen Mason and fired him only to slip back firmly into 
the Big Ten basement, despite a facility upgrade
>
>- I won't point out that NU was closer to the NCAA tournament this year than in 
any other year in its history
>
>- I will simply ask, who are we gonna get?
>
>We will not lower our standards for admission -- nor should we -- so the Tommy 
Amaker story can kiss my purple behind and be gone forever from NU sports list 
lore ... hopefully.
>
>And we will not entice a hot young coach from Butler or Lehigh because they 
will have better offers and more money from elsewhere.
>
>So ... who you gonna get???
>
>If it's someone better than Bill Carmody, then by all means, go on your merry 
pitchfork 'n' torches way.
>
>But if you're just going to get rid of someone because of the heartbreak of 
coming so close the past few years (as opposed to decades of bliss and 
indifference ... and suckage), then I would be careful about getting what you 
wish for, because unless we're heading into the Coach Hardy era, I'm not sure I 
see NU moving forward or even staying in neutral with anyone else out there.
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>
> 
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog at yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
>________________________________
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: "pcw at warnerpatents.com" <pcw at warnerpatents.com>
>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:55 PM
>
>Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
>
>
>FIRE BILL. 
>
>We all know that Jim doesn?t have the authority to make the decision.
>
>Bill should have been fired after his 5th season and every year
>thereafter when it was clear that NU was never going to go anywhere.  It
>was apparent, however, that Henry had told Bill that he would never fire
>him as long as Henry was at the helm.  And, you cannot blame Henry for
>being a man of his word.
>
>Morty, I understand that, last year, you probably felt that you were
>still too new on the job to dump Bill.  But, you?ve been around long
>enough now.  Pull the trigger, NOW.
>
>
>
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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 09:24:54 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:24:54 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Hey, Chris Collins might be available ... Er ...
In-Reply-To: <1049131993-1331993521-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-4776665-@b27.c29.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1049131993-1331993521-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-4776665-@b27.c29.bise6.blackberry>
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I also would note Duke has had little success recruiting in Chicago over the past 5 years, and with Collins' ties in Chicago, you'd expect them to compete   A little better there.

I believe the last big time recruit they signed from Ilinois other than Jon Scheyer was Thompson, and he transferred to Northwestern...



On Mar 17, 2012, at 10:12 AM, bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com wrote:

> Bet his price went down a notch yesterday. 
> 
> SJT's invocation of the Mason example is a chilling thought. Far too often as a sportswriter I hear "we hired Coach X" to take us to the next level" and Coach X sure does ... the next level down that is. 
> 
> Carmody is not an embarrassment behavior-wise like O'Neill was and as noted has brought NU unprecedented success. I can see sacking him but best be careful about it. 
> 
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Sat Mar 17 10:53:47 2012
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:53:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
Message-ID: <7176a.53343704.3c960d8b@aol.com>

I know that what I am about to say will invite speculation that the old  
geezer has finally started to nibble on the edges of senility, but -- and 
please  don't giggle -- I am of the opinion that Carmody should have one more 
year as  coach. Many of you ask, "For God's sake, why?" Just a feeling.
Don Williams C55
 
 
In a message dated 3/17/2012 1:39:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
alan.abrahamson at gmail.com writes:

Stephen,  and all list friends,

Arguing for change doesn't make us a "mob with  ... pitchforks."

It has been 12 years.

I think that is plenty of  time for cool heads to reason through the
situation and think that perhaps  Bill has had time to show what he can do.

It's not a good argument to  say let's not change because we're afraid of
change. We know what we have  with Bill. For sure we know.

-- Alan




On Fri, Mar 16,  2012 at 10:29 PM, SjT (Stephen J.  Truog)
<sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> For the sake of  argument, allow me to throw out a word of hesitation to
> the mobs with  their pitchforks ...
>
> - I won't bother to relay the analogy of  Minnesota football, who grew
> tired of mid-level success under Glen  Mason and fired him only to slip 
back
> firmly into the Big Ten  basement, despite a facility upgrade
>
> - I won't point out that  NU was closer to the NCAA tournament this year
> than in any other year  in its history
>
> - I will simply ask, who are we gonna  get?
>
> We will not lower our standards for admission -- nor  should we -- so the
> Tommy Amaker story can kiss my purple behind and  be gone forever from NU
> sports list lore ...  hopefully.
>
> And we will not entice a hot young coach from  Butler or Lehigh because
> they will have better offers and more money  from elsewhere.
>
> So ... who you gonna get???
>
> If  it's someone better than Bill Carmody, then by all means, go on your
>  merry pitchfork 'n' torches way.
>
> But if you're just going to  get rid of someone because of the heartbreak
> of coming so close the  past few years (as opposed to decades of bliss and
> indifference ...  and suckage), then I would be careful about getting what
> you wish for,  because unless we're heading into the Coach Hardy era, I'm
> not sure I  see NU moving forward or even staying in neutral with anyone
> else out  there.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
> * * * *  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>  sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV  Champions!
>  ________________________________
>
>
>
>  ________________________________
>  From: "pcw at warnerpatents.com"  <pcw at warnerpatents.com>
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent:  Friday, March 16, 2012 8:55 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE  . . .
>
> FIRE BILL.
>
> We all know that Jim doesn?t  have the authority to make the decision.
>
> Bill should have been  fired after his 5th season and every year
> thereafter when it was clear  that NU was never going to go anywhere.  It
> was apparent,  however, that Henry had told Bill that he would never fire
> him as long  as Henry was at the helm.  And, you cannot blame Henry for
> being  a man of his word.
>
> Morty, I understand that, last year, you  probably felt that you were
> still too new on the job to dump  Bill.  But, you?ve been around long
> enough now.  Pull the  trigger, NOW.
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 11:04:42 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:04:42 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] So you want to dump Bill C
In-Reply-To: <000001cd0441$1efbb490$5cf31db0$@com>
References: <000001cd0441$1efbb490$5cf31db0$@com>
Message-ID: <CAHChqvixfqWQcdLqe3eZh90MT1p+N7eLQ3fRJKM0tx2nyg8P6g@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like 2/3 of voters say BC should come back. Not very representative
of this list, it seems.

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> Vote here:
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-poll-nuhoops-0317,0,615386.poll
>
> However I can remember similar calls to fire a coach... right before Tom
> Landry brought
> the Cowboys back to the Superbowl, which they won.
>
> Just be careful who you fire and when.
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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>
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 17 11:09:31 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:09:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Northwestern cracks top 10!!!!
Message-ID: <1332000571.51835.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

?... at the NCAA wrestling championships in St. Louis, where I am matside for my paper.

NU with 41.5 points is 9th! 5 Big Ten rivals are ahead of NU -- PSU, Minnesota, Iowa, Ohio State and (yuck) Illinois (along with Cornell, Oklahoma State and Lehigh). NU leads such longtime powers such as Oklahoma, Iowa State and Missouri.

NU will have 2 All-Americans, Jason Welch at 157 and Mike McMullan at 285, both wrestling for third.

Great job mat 'Cats!!!! Who needs hoops!!!

Brad Wilson




"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 11:21:48 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 09:21:48 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Northwestern cracks top 10!!!!
In-Reply-To: <1332000571.51835.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1332000571.51835.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAHChqvjELpHsmF5keaFKkLG6FjeV=w1MFiXqTkiSD1X5Q3sLqw@mail.gmail.com>

There is a weight class of 285? Is Mr. McMullan interested in some
defensive line play in the fall?

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  ... at the NCAA wrestling championships in St. Louis, where I am matside
> for my paper.
>
> NU with 41.5 points is 9th! 5 Big Ten rivals are ahead of NU -- PSU,
> Minnesota, Iowa, Ohio State and (yuck) Illinois (along with Cornell,
> Oklahoma State and Lehigh). NU leads such longtime powers such as Oklahoma,
> Iowa State and Missouri.
>
> NU will have 2 All-Americans, Jason Welch at 157 and Mike McMullan at 285,
> both wrestling for third.
>
> Great job mat 'Cats!!!! Who needs hoops!!!
>
> Brad Wilson
>
>
>
>
> "Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence
> has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid
> individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel
> contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)
>
>
> "But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not
> just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." --
> Pierre Boulez
>
>
> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 17 12:11:21 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:11:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] McMullan
Message-ID: <1332004281.78971.YahooMailNeo@web114703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

... was interested in football but wanted to play offense, I was told and football staff saw him on defense ... so he's wrestling. He could be a good linebacker (he weighs more like 235 than 285 but that's the class he has to wrestle in, next smallest 197)

bw

?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Mar 17 12:53:06 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 13:53:06 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] So you want to dump Bill C
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvixfqWQcdLqe3eZh90MT1p+N7eLQ3fRJKM0tx2nyg8P6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cd0441$1efbb490$5cf31db0$@com>
 <CAHChqvixfqWQcdLqe3eZh90MT1p+N7eLQ3fRJKM0tx2nyg8P6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cd0466$cfb7b1b0$6f271510$@com>

Probably Illinois and Iowa fans voting so NU won't go and find an even higher profile
coach to lead the Cats...

In any case, I doubt any decision has been made in Evanston, even if many of the list guys
have decided.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Zeller, M.D.
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:05 PM
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] So you want to dump Bill C

Looks like 2/3 of voters say BC should come back. Not very representative of this list, it
seems.

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> Vote here:
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-poll-nuhoops-0317,
> 0,615386.poll
>
> However I can remember similar calls to fire a coach... right before 
> Tom Landry brought the Cowboys back to the Superbowl, which they won.
>
> Just be careful who you fire and when.
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any 
> organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts 
> - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" 
> Delaware American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little 
> League  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern 
> University - Speech 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher 
> Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports) 
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, 
> intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. 
> Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = If we 
> become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,' We're 
> Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 13:03:04 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:03:04 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] So you want to dump Bill C
In-Reply-To: <000001cd0466$cfb7b1b0$6f271510$@com>
References: <000001cd0441$1efbb490$5cf31db0$@com>
 <CAHChqvixfqWQcdLqe3eZh90MT1p+N7eLQ3fRJKM0tx2nyg8P6g@mail.gmail.com>
 <000001cd0466$cfb7b1b0$6f271510$@com>
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My biggest concern with firing him now would be the possibility of losing
6'11" center 2012 recruit Alex Olah, who committed almost a year ago but
hasn't officially signed for some bureaucratic reason. Also, not sure what
it would mean for 6'8" PF 2013 commit Milos Kostic.

Also, if a coach is fired, can't a recruit request to be removed from their
letter of intent? Potential to lose 6'7" 3-star SF Kale Abrahamson and 6'6"
SG Sanjay Lumpkin.

NU has had recruiting impact lately comparable to Shurna's year, with a
much-needed infusion of height.

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com
> wrote:

> Probably Illinois and Iowa fans voting so NU won't go and find an even
> higher profile
> coach to lead the Cats...
>
> In any case, I doubt any decision has been made in Evanston, even if many
> of the list guys
> have decided.
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Scott
> Zeller, M.D.
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:05 PM
> Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] So you want to dump Bill C
>
> Looks like 2/3 of voters say BC should come back. Not very representative
> of this list, it
> seems.
>
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Roy S. Lamberton
> <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:
>
> > Vote here:
> >
> > http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-poll-nuhoops-0317,
> > 0,615386.poll
> >
> > However I can remember similar calls to fire a coach... right before
> > Tom Landry brought the Cowboys back to the Superbowl, which they won.
> >
> > Just be careful who you fire and when.
> >
> > rsl
> >
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any
> > organizations of which I am a member.
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> > Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts
> > - http://coachroy.org
> > --------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner"
> > Delaware American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little
> > League  Senior League Softball World Series
> > CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern
> > University - Speech 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher
> > Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> > =================================================
> > There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom,
> > intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D.
> > Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = If we
> > become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,' We're
> > Doomed!"
> >                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> > ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 13:15:03 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:15:03 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] So you want to dump Bill C
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvhkz6km0vKhz8NnajXunOGEX7GhFDZN84_eQYcWhAV80g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cd0441$1efbb490$5cf31db0$@com>
 <CAHChqvixfqWQcdLqe3eZh90MT1p+N7eLQ3fRJKM0tx2nyg8P6g@mail.gmail.com>
 <000001cd0466$cfb7b1b0$6f271510$@com>
 <CAHChqvhkz6km0vKhz8NnajXunOGEX7GhFDZN84_eQYcWhAV80g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN7seng_2Km6dR01UPHj+Suohh708t=6JYwT6jZ2cs6z1tZK-w@mail.gmail.com>

>From a recent Trib article:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0313-northwestern-hoops--20120313,0,6355869.story

Olah's parents are in Romania, and they did not sign off on his commitment
to Northwestern in time for the early signing period deadline in November.
He cannot sign until April 11, but his coach at Traders Point Christian
Academy near Indianapolis said that NU fans have nothing to worry about.

"He is 100 percent absolutely committed to Northwestern," Dave Jamerson
told the Tribune.

And that's even if there is a coaching change, Jamerson said.

Olah would only reconsider if a new coach came in and was not interested in
signing him.

That's highly doubtful considering Olah is 6-foot-11 and 240 pounds and was
drawing interest from Illinois, Purdue, Boston College and California when
he orally committed to Northwestern.

Olah averaged about 18 points and 12 rebounds for a team that went 24-5.

"He had a great season," Jamerson said. "He will really help Northwestern."

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>wrote:

> My biggest concern with firing him now would be the possibility of losing
> 6'11" center 2012 recruit Alex Olah, who committed almost a year ago but
> hasn't officially signed for some bureaucratic reason. Also, not sure what
> it would mean for 6'8" PF 2013 commit Milos Kostic.
>
> Also, if a coach is fired, can't a recruit request to be removed from their
> letter of intent? Potential to lose 6'7" 3-star SF Kale Abrahamson and 6'6"
> SG Sanjay Lumpkin.
>
> NU has had recruiting impact lately comparable to Shurna's year, with a
> much-needed infusion of height.
>
> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Roy S. Lamberton <
> rstetson at capps-assoc.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Probably Illinois and Iowa fans voting so NU won't go and find an even
> > higher profile
> > coach to lead the Cats...
> >
> > In any case, I doubt any decision has been made in Evanston, even if many
> > of the list guys
> > have decided.
> >
> > rsl
> >
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> > those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> > Computer Applications & Support Associates
> > Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> > --------------------- Also ----------------------
> > "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> > Director Media Relations - Little League
> >  Senior League Softball World Series
> > CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> > Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> > Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> > Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> > =================================================
> > There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> > love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> > cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> > =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> > If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> > tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
> >                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> > ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Scott
> > Zeller, M.D.
> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 12:05 PM
> > Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] So you want to dump Bill C
> >
> > Looks like 2/3 of voters say BC should come back. Not very representative
> > of this list, it
> > seems.
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Roy S. Lamberton
> > <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Vote here:
> > >
> > > http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-poll-nuhoops-0317,
> > > 0,615386.poll
> > >
> > > However I can remember similar calls to fire a coach... right before
> > > Tom Landry brought the Cowboys back to the Superbowl, which they won.
> > >
> > > Just be careful who you fire and when.
> > >
> > > rsl
> > >
> > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any
> > > organizations of which I am a member.
> > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> > > Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts
> > > - http://coachroy.org
> > > --------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner"
> > > Delaware American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little
> > > League  Senior League Softball World Series
> > > CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern
> > > University - Speech 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher
> > > Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> > > =================================================
> > > There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom,
> > > intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D.
> > > Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = If we
> > > become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,' We're
> > > Doomed!"
> > >                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> > > ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > nwu-sports site list
> > > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 17 13:15:14 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:15:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] one 3rd, one 4th for mat 'Cats
Message-ID: <1332008114.15703.YahooMailNeo@web114710.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Welch finished 4th at 157 pounds, McMullan third at 285.? Wildcats still in top 10 (9th) into finals (tonight). Big Ten leads all conferences with 34 All-Americans.


Woo-hoo NU!

Brad Wilson

?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 17 14:50:39 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 19:50:39 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I have NU's next coach
Message-ID: <1108994854-1332013839-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1920181738-@b27.c29.bise6.blackberry>

Having just read a terrific column in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (kudos Bernie Miklasz!!) on him I nominate Rick Majerus. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Mar 17 16:11:20 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:11:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] I have NU's next coach
In-Reply-To: <1108994854-1332013839-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1920181738-@b27.c29.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20120317211120.B41BA65791@romaine.tssi.com>

> Having just read a terrific column in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (kudos Bernie
> Miklasz!!) on him I nominate Rick Majerus. =

There is not enough cheesecake and strudel in Evanston to entice Rick Majerus there.
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Mar 17 19:56:46 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:56:46 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Academic DQ
Message-ID: <1929348059-1332032207-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1912709704-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Not sure if many out there have been following the 50 percent rule that the NCAA is attempting to phase in.  But it will DQ schools from going to the dance if their hoopsters are not on track for a 50 percent graduation rate 

Right away, one has to figure that will improve our chances to get invited to the dance if a bunch of schools get knocked out and thus providing less competition .  Some schools may actually be tougher on admitting certain kids if they believe they could jeopardize their chances at passing the 50 percent test. This may allow a school like NU to better compete with those teams, when in the past, all we could hope for was an occasional upset against them

It used to be when Al Mcguire (Marquette) or Jerry Tarkanian (UNLV) would grab several kids a year off the streets in the hope of getting them through a year or 2 before dropping or flunking out. Both won national titles with extremely low graduation rates

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From herms at hotmail.com  Sat Mar 17 21:33:42 2012
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:33:42 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] I have NU's next coach
Message-ID: <snt0-p6-eas11876C7BDC5D33E73FBDD1DAE5D0@phx.gbl>

Has he tried deep dish pizza?


-----Original Message-----

From: Mike Nolan
Sent: 17 Mar 2012 21:11:30 GMT
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I have NU's next coach

> Having just read a terrific column in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (kudos Bernie
> Miklasz!!) on him I nominate Rick Majerus. =

There is not enough cheesecake and strudel in Evanston to entice Rick Majerus there.
--
Mike Nolan

_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Mar 17 21:46:31 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:46:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Academic DQ
In-Reply-To: <1929348059-1332032207-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1912709704-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20120318024631.7A40165798@romaine.tssi.com>

> Not sure if many out there have been following the 50 percent rule that the NCAA is attempting to phase in.  But it will DQ schools from going to the dance if their hoopsters are not on track for a 50 percent graduation rate 

Big Ten schools that did not meet the 50% GSR rate in the most recent 
report shown on the NCAA website (2004 admission year):

Indiana:  47%
Michigan  45%
Minnesota 43%

Purdue and Wisconsin were both at 50%.  
--
Mike Nolan 


From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Mar 17 23:43:14 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 21:43:14 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Academic DQ
In-Reply-To: <1929348059-1332032207-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1912709704-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1929348059-1332032207-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1912709704-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <CAHChqvh66+CUkgsMWEoZ_sTWj7X58N0=G9UQC213Uk6e1-gKBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, joy. We can finally go the the NCAA tournament because all the good
teams get disqualified. There's a feather in our cap.

If all the guys in my high school had vanished overnight, maybe I could
have dated the homecoming queen!

On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 5:56 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> Not sure if many out there have been following the 50 percent rule that
> the NCAA is attempting to phase in.  But it will DQ schools from going to
> the dance if their hoopsters are not on track for a 50 percent graduation
> rate
>
> Right away, one has to figure that will improve our chances to get invited
> to the dance if a bunch of schools get knocked out and thus providing less
> competition .  Some schools may actually be tougher on admitting certain
> kids if they believe they could jeopardize their chances at passing the 50
> percent test. This may allow a school like NU to better compete with those
> teams, when in the past, all we could hope for was an occasional upset
> against them
>
> It used to be when Al Mcguire (Marquette) or Jerry Tarkanian (UNLV) would
> grab several kids a year off the streets in the hope of getting them
> through a year or 2 before dropping or flunking out. Both won national
> titles with extremely low graduation rates
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Mar 18 00:00:46 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 00:00:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Academic DQ
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvh66+CUkgsMWEoZ_sTWj7X58N0=G9UQC213Uk6e1-gKBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120318050046.65D0665135@romaine.tssi.com>

> If all the guys in my high school had vanished overnight, maybe I could
> have dated the homecoming queen!

If all the girls had vanished, maybe you could have BEEN the Homecoming Queen. :-)
--
Mike Nolan


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Mar 18 07:17:47 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 08:17:47 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] =?utf-8?q?Doug_Collins_says_son_would_be_interested_i?=
 =?utf-8?q?n_Illinois_job=3B_wouldn=E2=80=99t_address_NU_rumors_because_jo?=
 =?utf-8?q?b_isn=E2=80=99t_open?=
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D04C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0318-bits-bulls-76ers-chicago--20120318,0,3677563.story

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sun Mar 18 09:27:03 2012
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:27:03 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] I have NU's next coach
In-Reply-To: <snt0-p6-eas11876C7BDC5D33E73FBDD1DAE5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <snt0-p6-eas11876C7BDC5D33E73FBDD1DAE5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAPCH0ENGW2nPbLr4AKEWfrjEMyy5PL1fomXM+w6e9m3Ev8kJuQ@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think the Orrington is up to his standards for a hotel - the man
only lives in hotes
*

Mark S. Ament*
2205 Merrick Road
Louisville KY 40207
sportsbiz at gmail.com <sportsbiz at gmail.com>
voice: 502.387.0671
fax:502.290.7130

*
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On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 10:33 PM, Herman Wang <herms at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Has he tried deep dish pizza?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Mike Nolan
> Sent: 17 Mar 2012 21:11:30 GMT
> To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I have NU's next coach
>
> > Having just read a terrific column in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch (kudos
> Bernie
> > Miklasz!!) on him I nominate Rick Majerus. =
>
> There is not enough cheesecake and strudel in Evanston to entice Rick
> Majerus there.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From AJWDBW at aol.com  Sun Mar 18 09:38:42 2012
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 10:38:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Academic DQ
Message-ID: <29158.6295215c.3c974d72@aol.com>

Does anyone remember this old joke? Question: Do you know why Iowa  
installed artificial turf in the stadium? Answer: To keep the Homecoming Queen  
from grazing at halftime.
I'm not signing this
C55
 
 
In a message dated 3/18/2012 12:00:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
nolan at tssi.com writes:

If all  the girls had vanished, maybe you could have BEEN the Homecoming  
Queen.

From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Mar 18 10:28:48 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 11:28:48 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports]
 =?utf-8?q?Doug_Collins_says_son_would_be_interested_i?=
 =?utf-8?q?n_Illinois_job=3B_wouldn=E2=80=99t_address_NU_rumors_because_jo?=
 =?utf-8?q?b_isn=E2=80=99t_open?=
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D04C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D04C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <6F3DFEC6-D017-4701-9EB8-FD0044BC61F8@aol.com>

As I wrote to Willie and Alan offline last night, I would love to see NU go after Shaka Smart, notwithstanding tough loss yesterday to IU down the stretch.  I think Illini will go hard after him, both because he is great young coach with Final Four experience and background in Midwest (growing up outside of Madison, WI) and also because there will be a lot  of pressure to hire first African-American head coach in school's history.  Thus, there could well be an opening to woo Chris Collins, who could be a great fit at NU.  

Both of these guys should be seriously considered by Morty and Jim--if they decide to make a move.   I want to make clear that although I stated belief that it may be time for Coach Carmody to go, I am conflicted on the issue, and I think it is a very close call. 

Paul Levinson
Sent from my iPad

P.S.:  Got the new iPad yesterday.  My first added App was ESPN, and my second was March Madness live.  I have to pick my son up at Newark Airport tonight, and I can bring games with me on 4G connection.  Amazing!  If only ' Cats were playing.:-(

On Mar 18, 2012, at 8:17 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:

> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-spt-0318-bits-bulls-76ers-chicago--20120318,0,3677563.story
> _______________________________________________
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From shawn.folkes at comcast.net  Sun Mar 18 10:43:24 2012
From: shawn.folkes at comcast.net (shawn.folkes at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:43:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NU Sports] Academic DQ
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvh66+CUkgsMWEoZ_sTWj7X58N0=G9UQC213Uk6e1-gKBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2003018646.11213.1332085404347.JavaMail.root@sz0183a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



Actually, I like the intent of this rule.? It reinforces one of the primary reasons I follow NU sports.? After all, these kids are there for? an education, right? 




On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 5:56 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote: 

> Not sure if many out there have been following the 50 percent rule that 
> the NCAA is attempting to phase in. ?But it will DQ schools from going to 
> the dance if their hoopsters are not on track for a 50 percent graduation 
> rate 
> 
> Right away, one has to figure that will improve our chances to get invited 
> to the dance if a bunch of schools get knocked out and thus providing less 
> competition . ?Some schools may actually be tougher on admitting certain 
> kids if they believe they could jeopardize their chances at passing the 50 
> percent test. This may allow a school like NU to better compete with those 
> teams, when in the past, all we could hope for was an occasional upset 
> against them 
> 
> It used to be when Al Mcguire (Marquette) or Jerry Tarkanian (UNLV) would 
> grab several kids a year off the streets in the hope of getting them 
> through a year or 2 before dropping or flunking out. Both won national 
> titles with extremely low graduation rates 
> 
> Harry 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> nwu-sports site list 
> nwu-sports at tssi.com 
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports 
> 
_______________________________________________ 
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Mar 18 11:16:21 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 16:16:21 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss
In-Reply-To: <84d59f80-a748-4129-a9db-63e31b06a25d@blur>
References: <CD44546AB15A47C4A3A97648068B331C@dennismachine>
 <000a01ccf113$0e959b20$2bc0d160$@com>
 <1289800217-1329883514-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-887103442-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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Let's think positive in our hour of doom and gloom.  Tevya also did sing "To Life".  We ain't dead yet--teetering still on the bubble, which alas, may burst soon.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "rstetson at capps-assoc.com"<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:39:18 
To: <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

And the Rabbi's closing line...

We'll have to wait ... somewhere else.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
To: "nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com" <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>,  
"nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2012 04:13:03 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

Also apt from Tevye (could apply to wins/losses/NU fandom): "It's no great  
tragedy to be poor, but it's no great honor, either."

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On  
Behalf Of neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:05 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; 'Dennis W. Brandt';  
nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

To All:

It is so friggin' painful to be an NU fan.  But I still wouldn't have it any  
other way--even though my wife tells me I should have picked a school that  
wins.:-). Wow, this one really hurts.  But so did the Rose Bowl, Alamo,  
TicketCity, Outback,.....I just wanna see one bowl win and dance one time on  
Selction Sunday before I shuffle off this mortal coil, or whatever that  
expression is.  I feel like Tevya pleading to God in Fiddler, "Would it  
spoil some vast eternal plan?". If I was a dancin', bowlin' man???

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:35:42
To: 'Dennis W. Brandt'<tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

To Michigan's credit...

They played D
Their fans turned the last 7 minutes into their home game.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any  
organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -  
http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware  
American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University -  
Speech 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign  
(Fox Sports) =================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom,  
intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  
 =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in  
which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On  
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:39 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

We scrap like five Rockys, get good games from Hearn and Curletti, rebound  
better than usual, and still we lose.  We just don't know how to close out a  
win.  Our offense in the closing minutes and throughout the entire overtime  
was playground-based.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Mar 18 11:27:30 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:27:30 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss
In-Reply-To: <2107959377-1332087349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872403200-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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Remember Fiddler's lyrics were written by an Alum....

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
To: "rstetson at capps-assoc.com" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>,          
nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com, Willie Weinbaum <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>,   
nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Sun, Mar 18, 2012 16:16:21 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

Let's think positive in our hour of doom and gloom.  Tevya also did sing "To  
Life".  We ain't dead yet--teetering still on the bubble, which alas, may  
burst soon.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "rstetson at capps-assoc.com"<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:39:18 
To: <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>;  
nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>;  
<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

And the Rabbi's closing line...

We'll have to wait ... somewhere else.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
To: "nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com" <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>,  
"nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2012 04:13:03 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

Also apt from Tevye (could apply to wins/losses/NU fandom): "It's no great  
tragedy to be poor, but it's no great honor, either."

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On  
Behalf Of neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:05 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; 'Dennis W. Brandt';  
nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

To All:

It is so friggin' painful to be an NU fan.  But I still wouldn't have it any  
 
other way--even though my wife tells me I should have picked a school that  
wins.:-). Wow, this one really hurts.  But so did the Rose Bowl, Alamo,  
TicketCity, Outback,.....I just wanna see one bowl win and dance one time on  
 
Selction Sunday before I shuffle off this mortal coil, or whatever that  
expression is.  I feel like Tevya pleading to God in Fiddler, "Would it  
spoil some vast eternal plan?". If I was a dancin', bowlin' man???

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:35:42
To: 'Dennis W. Brandt'<tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

To Michigan's credit...

They played D
Their fans turned the last 7 minutes into their home game.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any  
organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -  
http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware  
American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University -   

Speech 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign  
(Fox Sports) =================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom,  
intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  
 
 =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in  
which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On  
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:39 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

We scrap like five Rockys, get good games from Hearn and Curletti, rebound  
better than usual, and still we lose.  We just don't know how to close out a  
 
win.  Our offense in the closing minutes and throughout the entire overtime   

was playground-based.
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 18 11:36:31 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:36:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] On the bright side (Lax content)
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvh66+CUkgsMWEoZ_sTWj7X58N0=G9UQC213Uk6e1-gKBQ@mail.gmail.com>
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The disappointment of Friday night's b-ball game was alleviated somewhat by seeing the Lax team utterly dismantle UMass on an incredibly beautiful March afternoon at Lakeside field. I expected this year's team to be better than last year's, and so far I'd say that prediction is holding up. They've got a dominant midfield game, and the offense has better flow with some young players fitting in nicely. They seem to be having more fun too.?

But the highlight of the afternoon might have been what happened before the game.

UMass is coached by ex-NU players: head coach Angela McMahon and associate head coach Sarah Albrecht. Albrecht was one of NU's all-time greats and was a key player on the first couple of championship teams.?

McMahon actually transferred into the program after a year at UMass, and graduated in '04, the year before they won their first championship. As a result, she has the unique distinction of the only player in the "modern" history of NU Lax to come through the program *without* earning a championship ring. After a public "welcome back" to both McMahon and Albrecht, Hiller and her staff rectified that by presenting her with a 2005 Championship ring, in recognition to her contributions to building the program in those formative years. That, my friends, is pretty classy.?

NU is also doing some really nice marketing stuff, including putting up really nice NU Lax banners and posters all around Lakeside Field, providing some nice green Lax t-shirts for fans in attendance in recognition of St. Paddy's day, providing some perks for season ticket holders, etc. It's obviously all on a smaller economic scale than, say, painting Wrigley Field purple, but it's nice to see that Phillip's efforts aren't limited to b-ball and football.?

Speaking of b-ball, a bunch of the b-ball players were in attendance (as is usually the case), and Curletti, Shurna, and Freundt got a nice bit of applause and acknowledgement when they walked in. That was nice to see. Although there was plenty of disappointment to go around, there's no question those guys were responsible for one of the best and most thrilling (and heartbreaking) seasons in NU history.?

Tom


From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Mar 18 11:38:07 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:38:07 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss
In-Reply-To: <2107959377-1332087349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872403200-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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Sent as a mistake.  Sorry.

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 18, 2012, at 12:16 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Let's think positive in our hour of doom and gloom.  Tevya also did sing "To Life".  We ain't dead yet--teetering still on the bubble, which alas, may burst soon.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "rstetson at capps-assoc.com"<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:39:18 
> To: <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss
> 
> And the Rabbi's closing line...
> 
> We'll have to wait ... somewhere else.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
> 
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
> To: "nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com" <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>,  
> "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2012 04:13:03 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss
> 
> Also apt from Tevye (could apply to wins/losses/NU fandom): "It's no great  
> tragedy to be poor, but it's no great honor, either."
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On  
> Behalf Of neonrye at aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:05 PM
> To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; 'Dennis W. Brandt';  
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss
> 
> To All:
> 
> It is so friggin' painful to be an NU fan.  But I still wouldn't have it any  
> other way--even though my wife tells me I should have picked a school that  
> wins.:-). Wow, this one really hurts.  But so did the Rose Bowl, Alamo,  
> TicketCity, Outback,.....I just wanna see one bowl win and dance one time on  
> Selction Sunday before I shuffle off this mortal coil, or whatever that  
> expression is.  I feel like Tevya pleading to God in Fiddler, "Would it  
> spoil some vast eternal plan?". If I was a dancin', bowlin' man???
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:35:42
> To: 'Dennis W. Brandt'<tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss
> 
> To Michigan's credit...
> 
> They played D
> Their fans turned the last 7 minutes into their home game.
> 
> rsl
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any  
> organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -  
> http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware  
> American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University -  
> Speech 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign  
> (Fox Sports) =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom,  
> intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in  
> which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On  
> Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:39 PM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss
> 
> We scrap like five Rockys, get good games from Hearn and Curletti, rebound  
> better than usual, and still we lose.  We just don't know how to close out a  
> win.  Our offense in the closing minutes and throughout the entire overtime  
> was playground-based.
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Mar 18 13:54:45 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 14:54:45 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Izzo Sunday interview (no question about loss to NU,
	though :))
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C174BF91@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.nypost.com/f/print/sports/college/basketball/serby_sunday_with_tom_izzo_Rc0wJRp0Dh1kG6EB9Ef1SK


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Mar 18 18:13:36 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:13:36 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Tribune - Future of Carmody & NU basketball up in
	air
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D06D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-03-17/sports/ct-spt-0318-northwestern-basketball--20120318_1_alex-marcotullio-tre-demps-jershon-cobb


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Mar 18 18:30:59 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 19:30:59 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss
In-Reply-To: <2107959377-1332087349-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1872403200-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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Don't forget that all those words in Fiddler came from NU Alum Sheldon Harnick  (Music -
1949)

May be the only NU Music Guy with a Pulitzer!

rsl 

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:16 PM
To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Willie Weinbaum;
nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

Let's think positive in our hour of doom and gloom.  Tevya also did sing "To Life".  We
ain't dead yet--teetering still on the bubble, which alas, may burst soon.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "rstetson at capps-assoc.com"<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
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Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 23:39:18
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

And the Rabbi's closing line...

We'll have to wait ... somewhere else.

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

Also apt from Tevye (could apply to wins/losses/NU fandom): "It's no great tragedy to be
poor, but it's no great honor, either."

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

To All:

It is so friggin' painful to be an NU fan.  But I still wouldn't have it any other
way--even though my wife tells me I should have picked a school that wins.:-). Wow, this
one really hurts.  But so did the Rose Bowl, Alamo, TicketCity, Outback,.....I just wanna
see one bowl win and dance one time on Selction Sunday before I shuffle off this mortal
coil, or whatever that expression is.  I feel like Tevya pleading to God in Fiddler,
"Would it spoil some vast eternal plan?". If I was a dancin', bowlin' man???

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Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:35:42
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Another hard fought loss

To Michigan's credit...

They played D
Their fans turned the last 7 minutes into their home game.

rsl

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We scrap like five Rockys, get good games from Hearn and Curletti, rebound better than
usual, and still we lose.  We just don't know how to close out a win.  Our offense in the
closing minutes and throughout the entire overtime was playground-based.
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From johnl at mac.com  Mon Mar 19 19:45:26 2012
From: johnl at mac.com (Labbe John)
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 19:45:26 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE . . .
In-Reply-To: <7176a.53343704.3c960d8b@aol.com>
References: <7176a.53343704.3c960d8b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6632E805-FBFE-4CCC-879E-BD71A3F159A9@mac.com>

An announcement regarding Carmody may be coming soon.  According to the following article posted this afternoon, Carmody is unavailable for comment and Jim Phillips isn't responding to text messages.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-btns-doyle-dont-pull-plug-on-carmody-20120319,0,4671374.story


On Mar 17, 2012, at 10:53 AM, AJWDBW at aol.com wrote:

> I know that what I am about to say will invite speculation that the old  
> geezer has finally started to nibble on the edges of senility, but -- and 
> please  don't giggle -- I am of the opinion that Carmody should have one more 
> year as  coach. Many of you ask, "For God's sake, why?" Just a feeling.
> Don Williams C55
> 
> 
> In a message dated 3/17/2012 1:39:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> alan.abrahamson at gmail.com writes:
> 
> Stephen,  and all list friends,
> 
> Arguing for change doesn't make us a "mob with  ... pitchforks."
> 
> It has been 12 years.
> 
> I think that is plenty of  time for cool heads to reason through the
> situation and think that perhaps  Bill has had time to show what he can do.
> 
> It's not a good argument to  say let's not change because we're afraid of
> change. We know what we have  with Bill. For sure we know.
> 
> -- Alan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 16,  2012 at 10:29 PM, SjT (Stephen J.  Truog)
> <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
>> For the sake of  argument, allow me to throw out a word of hesitation to
>> the mobs with  their pitchforks ...
>> 
>> - I won't bother to relay the analogy of  Minnesota football, who grew
>> tired of mid-level success under Glen  Mason and fired him only to slip 
> back
>> firmly into the Big Ten  basement, despite a facility upgrade
>> 
>> - I won't point out that  NU was closer to the NCAA tournament this year
>> than in any other year  in its history
>> 
>> - I will simply ask, who are we gonna  get?
>> 
>> We will not lower our standards for admission -- nor  should we -- so the
>> Tommy Amaker story can kiss my purple behind and  be gone forever from NU
>> sports list lore ...  hopefully.
>> 
>> And we will not entice a hot young coach from  Butler or Lehigh because
>> they will have better offers and more money  from elsewhere.
>> 
>> So ... who you gonna get???
>> 
>> If  it's someone better than Bill Carmody, then by all means, go on your
>> merry pitchfork 'n' torches way.
>> 
>> But if you're just going to  get rid of someone because of the heartbreak
>> of coming so close the  past few years (as opposed to decades of bliss and
>> indifference ...  and suckage), then I would be careful about getting what
>> you wish for,  because unless we're heading into the Coach Hardy era, I'm
>> not sure I  see NU moving forward or even staying in neutral with anyone
>> else out  there.
>> 
>> GO CATS!!!
>> -SjT
>> 
>> 
>> * * * *  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>> Super Bowl XLIV  Champions!
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: "pcw at warnerpatents.com"  <pcw at warnerpatents.com>
>> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Sent:  Friday, March 16, 2012 8:55 PM
>> Subject: [NU Sports] NOW, MORTY, PLEASE  . . .
>> 
>> FIRE BILL.
>> 
>> We all know that Jim doesn?t  have the authority to make the decision.
>> 
>> Bill should have been  fired after his 5th season and every year
>> thereafter when it was clear  that NU was never going to go anywhere.  It
>> was apparent,  however, that Henry had told Bill that he would never fire
>> him as long  as Henry was at the helm.  And, you cannot blame Henry for
>> being  a man of his word.
>> 
>> Morty, I understand that, last year, you  probably felt that you were
>> still too new on the job to dump  Bill.  But, you?ve been around long
>> enough now.  Pull the  trigger, NOW.
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Mar 20 21:08:55 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:08:55 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna in Final Four weekend contest
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D0DC@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://m.nusports.com/s/28380/60?itemPos=3&fullArticles=true


From yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Mar 20 22:04:16 2012
From: yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu (Evan Bradley)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:04:16 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna in Final Four weekend contest
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D0DC@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D0DC@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <CACBF6gTH3Oe0Auv6rn0z_8FLo+9dFBbf6tz9Rf8RJqO=VWA=eg@mail.gmail.com>

Shurna didn't get a lot of chances to dunk in NU's offense, so it's
too bad there's no all-around competition (3-pt and dunk), so he can
show off some of these moves from high school:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKBqFh_QAWk

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:08 PM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:
> http://m.nusports.com/s/28380/60?itemPos=3&fullArticles=true
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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Tue Mar 20 22:18:39 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:18:39 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Napoleon Harris
Message-ID: <CAL_7m5qb5JCCN_j=jn7Gu-8ufP91gxfo8mLQPn9n70_6kO_JKg@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure if anyone else is following the election returns, but with most of
the vote in Illinois counted, it appears that Napoleon Harris is about to
become Senator Harris...

http://elections.chicagotribune.com/results/il-senate/

From scottzel at gmail.com  Tue Mar 20 22:52:35 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:52:35 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Napoleon Harris
In-Reply-To: <CAL_7m5qb5JCCN_j=jn7Gu-8ufP91gxfo8mLQPn9n70_6kO_JKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAL_7m5qb5JCCN_j=jn7Gu-8ufP91gxfo8mLQPn9n70_6kO_JKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHChqviC3GVyAajb5FkF=xox_Q8tZYnTzTOvL2-Pfk42u_1c-g@mail.gmail.com>

Good for him. Is this a district that traditionally votes Democratic, so
his win in the primary essentially means he will go to the Senate?

>From what I understand, his opponent, Donna Miller of Minnesota, had a huge
lead and Harris was way behind, but with an unbelievable burst of momentum
in the last minutes he overtook her and saved the election.
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 8:18 PM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not sure if anyone else is following the election returns, but with most of
> the vote in Illinois counted, it appears that Napoleon Harris is about to
> become Senator Harris...
>
> http://elections.chicagotribune.com/results/il-senate/
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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Mar 20 22:56:55 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 03:56:55 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Marquice Cole
Message-ID: <1768378715-1332302163-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1143649268-@b28.c19.bise6.blackberry>

The NU alumni news continues:

Depressing news for this Jets fan--as Marquice signs as a free agent with Darth Hoodie's New England Patriots.

Paul (J-E-T-S) Levinson
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Subject: [NU Sports] Napoleon Harris
Sent: Mar 20, 2012 11:18 PM

Not sure if anyone else is following the election returns, but with most of
the vote in Illinois counted, it appears that Napoleon Harris is about to
become Senator Harris...

http://elections.chicagotribune.com/results/il-senate/
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Mar 20 22:58:15 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 03:58:15 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Napoleon Harris
Message-ID: <1930892143-1332302296-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1328293106-@b28.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Very interesting.  Having the NU contingent voting for him, must have been the difference.  LOL !

Wonder if any other NU athletes have held public office. (State or Federal ) Off hand can't think of any. (Unless Dick Gephardt played tennis )not !

BTW, Harris played out here in Oakland until traded along with others for Randy Moss. (You know who got the better of that deal)

Harry
 
------Original Message------
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To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Napoleon Harris
Sent: Mar 20, 2012 8:18 PM

Not sure if anyone else is following the election returns, but with most of
the vote in Illinois counted, it appears that Napoleon Harris is about to
become Senator Harris...

http://elections.chicagotribune.com/results/il-senate/
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Mar 21 11:09:54 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:09:54 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Northwestern Softball Meets Former Wildcat Joe
	Girardi
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C186DF9D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.nusports.com/blog/2012/03/northwestern-softball-meets-former-wildcat-joe-girardi.html


From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Mar 21 14:05:36 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:05:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini Job
	Offer
Message-ID: <8CED5ACBB78DCC6-1744-1E6A@webmail-m146.sysops.aol.com>


Boo hoo!  The Illini have apparently been dissed by Shaka (who must be very) Smart:  http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/story/_/id/7718478/vcu-coach-shaka-smart-reportedly-turns-

Paul Levinson
illinois

From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Mar 21 14:40:10 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:40:10 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU
 job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu6t3Kscoi26atEk5H3GEOe2fNnzFvOLOn_qVzpP8rhMQw@mail.gmail.com>

More fodder

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-nus-carmody-delay-leads-to-collins-talk-20120321,0,4886213.story


--
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Mar 21 14:51:37 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:51:37 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini
	JobOffer
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References: <8CED5ACBB78DCC6-1744-1E6A@webmail-m146.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC660676@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

He appears to have a good situation at VCU.  He obviously can recruit
players who can get him to the dance.

He will continue to be on a lot of schools' short lists.  Will be
interesting to see if there is an opportunity that would cause him to
leave.

Jeff

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To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini
JobOffer


Boo hoo!  The Illini have apparently been dissed by Shaka (who must be
very) Smart:
http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/story/_/id/7718478/vcu-coach-shaka-smart-
reportedly-turns-

Paul Levinson
illinois
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From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Mar 21 15:20:44 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 16:20:44 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU
	job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu6t3Kscoi26atEk5H3GEOe2fNnzFvOLOn_qVzpP8rhMQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxRJu6t3Kscoi26atEk5H3GEOe2fNnzFvOLOn_qVzpP8rhMQw@mail.gmail.com>
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As far as I can see, the only potential negative on Collins is lack of Head Coaching experience.  His pedigree is impeccable, and I would thinkhis father's high profile and connections throughout the NBA would have to be of some real value in recruiting.  Collins will not end up at Illinois, as the pressure to finally hire a head coach of color is probably paramount in their AD's calculus, as reported in today's Trib.  

If we make a move, and I remain very conflicted in my own thought process, I think Collins would be a sensational choice.  I like the idea of teaming him with Fitz -- as the young, photogenic, well-educated, passionate and articulate faces of NU and it's athletic program -- along with Kelly Amonte Hiller, of course.  I also would like to move away from the Princeton offense and the 1-3-1 defense to see a more eclectic approach at both ends of the court.

Paul Levinson

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On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:

> More fodder
> 
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-nus-carmody-delay-leads-to-collins-talk-20120321,0,4886213.story
> 
> 
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 21 16:00:35 2012
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:00:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU
	job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois
In-Reply-To: <D684953B-FAC8-4E40-A567-B01D6BF12442@aol.com>
References: <CAAxRJu6t3Kscoi26atEk5H3GEOe2fNnzFvOLOn_qVzpP8rhMQw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D684953B-FAC8-4E40-A567-B01D6BF12442@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1332363635.8605.YahooMailRC@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Just wondering...if Chris Collins is being seriously considered should the NU 
coaching position open up, why wouldn't Tavaras Hardy also be a candidate?? 
Neither have head coaching experience, which I think is a serious liability, but 
Hardy has the?advantage of the NU pedigree.

I recall his name being bantered about the list earlier this year, but no one 
seems to be raising it now.? Is he being held responsible for the lack of our 
big men's development, or is there another reason?





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From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Cc: NU Sports Listserv <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, March 21, 2012 3:20:44 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU 
job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois

As far as I can see, the only potential negative on Collins is lack of Head 
Coaching experience.? His pedigree is impeccable, and I would thinkhis father's 
high profile and connections throughout the NBA would have to be of some real 
value in recruiting.? Collins will not end up at Illinois, as the pressure to 
finally hire a head coach of color is probably paramount in their AD's calculus, 
as reported in today's Trib.? 


If we make a move, and I remain very conflicted in my own thought process, I 
think Collins would be a sensational choice.? I like the idea of teaming him 
with Fitz -- as the young, photogenic, well-educated, passionate and articulate 
faces of NU and it's athletic program -- along with Kelly Amonte Hiller, of 
course.? I also would like to move away from the Princeton offense and the 1-3-1 
defense to see a more eclectic approach at both ends of the court.

Paul Levinson

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> 
wrote:

> More fodder
> 
>http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-nus-carmody-delay-leads-to-collins-talk-20120321,0,4886213.story
>y
> 
> 
> --
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 16:05:52 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:05:52 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU
 job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois
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I am not conflicted.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 21, 2012, at 1:21 PM, "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> As far as I can see, the only potential negative on Collins is lack of Head Coaching experience.  His pedigree is impeccable, and I would thinkhis father's high profile and connections throughout the NBA would have to be of some real value in recruiting.  Collins will not end up at Illinois, as the pressure to finally hire a head coach of color is probably paramount in their AD's calculus, as reported in today's Trib.
>
> If we make a move, and I remain very conflicted in my own thought process, I think Collins would be a sensational choice.  I like the idea of teaming him with Fitz -- as the young, photogenic, well-educated, passionate and articulate faces of NU and it's athletic program -- along with Kelly Amonte Hiller, of course.  I also would like to move away from the Princeton offense and the 1-3-1 defense to see a more eclectic approach at both ends of the court.
>
> Paul Levinson
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:
>
>> More fodder
>>
>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-nus-carmody-delay-leads-to-collins-talk-20120321,0,4886213.story
>>
>>
>> --
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Mar 21 16:07:02 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:07:02 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take
	NU	job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois
In-Reply-To: <1332363635.8605.YahooMailRC@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAAxRJu6t3Kscoi26atEk5H3GEOe2fNnzFvOLOn_qVzpP8rhMQw@mail.gmail.com>
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Read somewhere that Tavaras interviewed for SIll?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>
To: neonrye at aol.com, Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Cc: NU Sports Listserv <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 21:00:35 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU	job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois

Just wondering...if Chris Collins is being seriously considered should the NU 
coaching position open up, why wouldn't Tavaras Hardy also be a candidate?? 
Neither have head coaching experience, which I think is a serious liability, but 
Hardy has the?advantage of the NU pedigree.

I recall his name being bantered about the list earlier this year, but no one 
seems to be raising it now.? Is he being held responsible for the lack of our 
big men's development, or is there another reason?





________________________________
From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Cc: NU Sports Listserv <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, March 21, 2012 3:20:44 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU 
job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois

As far as I can see, the only potential negative on Collins is lack of Head 
Coaching experience.? His pedigree is impeccable, and I would thinkhis father's 
high profile and connections throughout the NBA would have to be of some real 
value in recruiting.? Collins will not end up at Illinois, as the pressure to 
finally hire a head coach of color is probably paramount in their AD's calculus, 
as reported in today's Trib.? 


If we make a move, and I remain very conflicted in my own thought process, I 
think Collins would be a sensational choice.? I like the idea of teaming him 
with Fitz -- as the young, photogenic, well-educated, passionate and articulate 
faces of NU and it's athletic program -- along with Kelly Amonte Hiller, of 
course.? I also would like to move away from the Princeton offense and the 1-3-1 
defense to see a more eclectic approach at both ends of the court.

Paul Levinson

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> 
wrote:

> More fodder
> 
>http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-nus-carmody-delay-leads-to-collins-talk-20120321,0,4886213.story
>y
> 
> 
> --
> Jonathan Hodges
> Contributor, HailToPurple
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> Twitter: @hailtopurple
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Mar 21 16:09:44 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:09:44 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down
	Illini	JobOffer
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Word on the radio around here is that he's waiting for a Kansas type school.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: neonrye at aol.com, nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 19:51:37 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini	 
JobOffer

He appears to have a good situation at VCU.  He obviously can recruit
players who can get him to the dance.

He will continue to be on a lot of schools' short lists.  Will be
interesting to see if there is an opportunity that would cause him to
leave.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:06 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini
JobOffer


Boo hoo!  The Illini have apparently been dissed by Shaka (who must be
very) Smart:
http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/story/_/id/7718478/vcu-coach-shaka-smart-
reportedly-turns-

Paul Levinson
illinois
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Wed Mar 21 16:17:17 2012
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:17:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU
	job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois
In-Reply-To: <1ec82faf-5745-4a50-8d21-e8ae5ff85fad@blur>
References: <CAAxRJu6t3Kscoi26atEk5H3GEOe2fNnzFvOLOn_qVzpP8rhMQw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D684953B-FAC8-4E40-A567-B01D6BF12442@aol.com>
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 <1ec82faf-5745-4a50-8d21-e8ae5ff85fad@blur>
Message-ID: <1332364637.65325.YahooMailRC@web83913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

If you mean Southern Illinois :), Channel 5 in Chicago reported last night that 
Weber would be returning there.





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From: "rstetson at capps-assoc.com" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>; neonrye at aol.com; Jonathan Hodges 
<j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Wed, March 21, 2012 4:07:02 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU 
job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois


Read somewhere that Tavaras interviewed for SIll?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----

From: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>
>To: neonrye at aol.com, Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
>Cc: NU Sports Listserv <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 21:00:35 GMT+00:00
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU 
>job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois
>
>Just wondering...if Chris Collins is being seriously considered should the NU 
>coaching position open up, why wouldn't Tavaras Hardy also be a candidate?? 
>Neither have head coaching experience, which I think is a serious liability, but 
>
>Hardy has the?advantage of the NU pedigree.
>
>I recall his name being bantered about the list earlier this year, but no one 
>seems to be raising it now.? Is he being held responsible for the lack of our 
>big men's development, or is there another reason?
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: "neonrye at aol.com" 
>To: Jonathan Hodges 
>Cc: NU Sports Listserv 
>Sent: Wed, March 21, 2012 3:20:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU 
>job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois
>
>As far as I can see, the only potential negative on Collins is lack of Head 
>Coaching experience.? His pedigree is impeccable, and I would thinkhis father's 

>high profile and connections throughout the NBA would have to be of some real 
>value in recruiting.? Collins will not end up at Illinois, as the pressure to 
>finally hire a head coach of color is probably paramount in their AD's calculus, 
>
>as reported in today's Trib.? 
>
>
>If we make a move, and I remain very conflicted in my own thought process, I 
>think Collins would be a sensational choice.? I like the idea of teaming him 
>with Fitz -- as the young, photogenic, well-educated, passionate and articulate 

>faces of NU and it's athletic program -- along with Kelly Amonte Hiller, of 
>course.? I also would like to move away from the Princeton offense and the 1-3-1 
>
>defense to see a more eclectic approach at both ends of the court.
>
>Paul Levinson
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Hodges 
>wrote:
>
>> More fodder
>> 
>>http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-nus-carmody-delay-leads-to-collins-talk-20120321,0,4886213.story
>>
>>y
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Jonathan Hodges
>> Contributor, HailToPurple
>> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
>> Twitter: @hailtopurple
>> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Mar 21 16:17:20 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:17:20 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU
 job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois
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References: <CAAxRJu6t3Kscoi26atEk5H3GEOe2fNnzFvOLOn_qVzpP8rhMQw@mail.gmail.com>
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I think right now any actual negotiations are being held off until
Carmody's fate is sealed (and, so far, no word out of anyone about that).
I would expect Hardy to get an interview, at least, as he seems to be
well-liked and can reportedly recruit well (not sure about his in-game
strategy abilities).  We'll see what happens after the Carmody evaluation
is done.

Jonathan

--
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On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:00 PM, Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Just wondering...if Chris Collins is being seriously considered should the
> NU coaching position open up, why wouldn't Tavaras Hardy also be a
> candidate?  Neither have head coaching experience, which I think is a
> serious liability, but Hardy has the advantage of the NU pedigree.
>
> I recall his name being bantered about the list earlier this year, but no
> one seems to be raising it now.  Is he being held responsible for the lack
> of our big men's development, or is there another reason?
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
> *To:* Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
> *Cc:* NU Sports Listserv <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> *Sent:* Wed, March 21, 2012 3:20:44 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would
> take NU job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois
>
> As far as I can see, the only potential negative on Collins is lack of
> Head Coaching experience.  His pedigree is impeccable, and I would thinkhis
> father's high profile and connections throughout the NBA would have to be
> of some real value in recruiting.  Collins will not end up at Illinois, as
> the pressure to finally hire a head coach of color is probably paramount in
> their AD's calculus, as reported in today's Trib.
>
> If we make a move, and I remain very conflicted in my own thought process,
> I think Collins would be a sensational choice.  I like the idea of teaming
> him with Fitz -- as the young, photogenic, well-educated, passionate and
> articulate faces of NU and it's athletic program -- along with Kelly Amonte
> Hiller, of course.  I also would like to move away from the Princeton
> offense and the 1-3-1 defense to see a more eclectic approach at both ends
> of the court.
>
> Paul Levinson
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Hodges <
> j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:
>
> > More fodder
> >
> >
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-nus-carmody-delay-leads-to-collins-talk-20120321,0,4886213.story
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan Hodges
> > Contributor, HailToPurple
> > Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> > Twitter: @hailtopurple
> > Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
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From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 17:05:03 2012
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Art Miller)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 17:05:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini
	JobOffer
In-Reply-To: <c3b5c0cd-d5b5-42db-9bae-ff9c9d78002a@blur>
References: <8CED5ACBB78DCC6-1744-1E6A@webmail-m146.sysops.aol.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC660676@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <c3b5c0cd-d5b5-42db-9bae-ff9c9d78002a@blur>
Message-ID: <878B0834-A417-4CD9-8E58-0CB96C0BB9D8@gmail.com>

As happy as I am to see him spurn the Illini, that anecdote (if true) raises serious questions about his judgement.  Illinois may not be in the very top tier of college hoops, but IMO it's clearly in the second tier.  




On Mar 21, 2012, at 4:09 PM, "rstetson at capps-assoc.com"<rstetson at capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> Word on the radio around here is that he's waiting for a Kansas type school.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
> 
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
> To: neonrye at aol.com, nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 19:51:37 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini    JobOffer
> 
> He appears to have a good situation at VCU.  He obviously can recruit
> players who can get him to the dance.
> 
> He will continue to be on a lot of schools' short lists.  Will be
> interesting to see if there is an opportunity that would cause him to
> leave.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of neonrye at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:06 PM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini
> JobOffer
> 
> 
> Boo hoo!  The Illini have apparently been dissed by Shaka (who must be
> very) Smart:
> http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/story/_/id/7718478/vcu-coach-shaka-smart-
> reportedly-turns-
> 
> Paul Levinson
> illinois
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 21 17:54:42 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (Stephen Truog)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 15:54:42 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini
	JobOffer
In-Reply-To: <878B0834-A417-4CD9-8E58-0CB96C0BB9D8@gmail.com>
References: <8CED5ACBB78DCC6-1744-1E6A@webmail-m146.sysops.aol.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC660676@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <c3b5c0cd-d5b5-42db-9bae-ff9c9d78002a@blur>
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Message-ID: <81D709DD-FF1C-4471-8720-6B781CA9BACE@yahoo.com>

So ... of a school like Illinois (power conference, tradition, recruiting, etc) can't entice him, how exactly are we gonna get a big name to take over for camody???

Unlike the B(C)S, mid majors get a shot in hoops, so the big boys aren't always so enticing ...

STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com


On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:05 PM, Art Miller <artmiller1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> As happy as I am to see him spurn the Illini, that anecdote (if true) raises serious questions about his judgement.  Illinois may not be in the very top tier of college hoops, but IMO it's clearly in the second tier.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 21, 2012, at 4:09 PM, "rstetson at capps-assoc.com"<rstetson at capps-assoc.com> wrote:
> 
>> Word on the radio around here is that he's waiting for a Kansas type school.
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>> 
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
>> To: neonrye at aol.com, nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 19:51:37 GMT+00:00
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini    JobOffer
>> 
>> He appears to have a good situation at VCU.  He obviously can recruit
>> players who can get him to the dance.
>> 
>> He will continue to be on a lot of schools' short lists.  Will be
>> interesting to see if there is an opportunity that would cause him to
>> leave.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
>> On Behalf Of neonrye at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:06 PM
>> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Subject: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini
>> JobOffer
>> 
>> 
>> Boo hoo!  The Illini have apparently been dissed by Shaka (who must be
>> very) Smart:
>> http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/story/_/id/7718478/vcu-coach-shaka-smart-
>> reportedly-turns-
>> 
>> Paul Levinson
>> illinois
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Wed Mar 21 21:31:14 2012
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:31:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU
 job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois
In-Reply-To: <D684953B-FAC8-4E40-A567-B01D6BF12442@aol.com>
References: <CAAxRJu6t3Kscoi26atEk5H3GEOe2fNnzFvOLOn_qVzpP8rhMQw@mail.gmail.com>
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   Because its been a few days since the season ended and no firm announcement has been made in keeping BC, I assume Phillips is talking to a select number of coaches which includes Collins. He knows as every day passes it shrinks BC's credibility, and threatens his committments of (3) talented players.  
   I'm on record (at the beginning of conference play when we stumbled to a 1-3 start) of saying that if our team didn't tank it and had good recruits lined up, we should keep BC. As it turned out, the team came within (1) f@#$%ing game of getting to the tournement, and BC has an outstanding trio of incoming recruits as well as Turner and Demps who were red-shirted.  Carmody deserves one more chance which includes: admitting kids who either have all A's and average/slightly above average SAT's, or B's and   high SATs, and a committment to improving facilities.  
   As most of you know I'm not an alum.  I'm happy to have my piece of paper from little 'ole York College (Pa.). Northwestern's committment to excellence is why I've been a fan for 33 years (ouch!), but one thing I know is that we can't expect to hold Carmody to an Ivy League standard when all other "like" schools in the power conferences (Duke, Stanford, Vandy, etc.) don't. If we let a deserving kid in with all A's and average SAT's, how would this be a disservice?  If were not 12th in the conference in facilities, maybe we get a guy who we might otherwise wouldn't get.  

BTW: I'm tired off posters busting on PSU stating that the Bryce-Jordan Center hasn't helped; that facilities upgrades don't help. By my calculations, they've been to the NCAA tournement 4 times since the stadium's been built.

As usual, I haven't posted in ages and when I do its a mile long.  Truthfully, I was so hurt by losing to Minnesota I wanted to get in the fetal position and cry, so I didn't post for awile.  But life goes on, and as Dennis and I can attest, we can take punishment more than most being Phillies and Eagle fans.

I say keep BC. Lety him finish what he started.

GO CATS!!   Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
To: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Cc: NU Sports Listserv <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois


As far as I can see, the only potential negative on Collins is lack of Head 
oaching experience.  His pedigree is impeccable, and I would thinkhis father's 
igh profile and connections throughout the NBA would have to be of some real 
alue in recruiting.  Collins will not end up at Illinois, as the pressure to 
inally hire a head coach of color is probably paramount in their AD's calculus, 
s reported in today's Trib.  
If we make a move, and I remain very conflicted in my own thought process, I 
hink Collins would be a sensational choice.  I like the idea of teaming him 
ith Fitz -- as the young, photogenic, well-educated, passionate and articulate 
aces of NU and it's athletic program -- along with Kelly Amonte Hiller, of 
ourse.  I also would like to move away from the Princeton offense and the 1-3-1 
efense to see a more eclectic approach at both ends of the court.
Paul Levinson
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> 
rote:
> More fodder
 
 http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-nus-carmody-delay-leads-to-collins-talk-20120321,0,4886213.story
 
 
 --
 Jonathan Hodges
 Contributor, HailToPurple
 Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
 Twitter: @hailtopurple
 Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Mar 21 21:43:50 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 02:43:50 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU
	job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois
In-Reply-To: <8CED5EAFCC90A45-1C6C-313D6@webmail-m019.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAAxRJu6t3Kscoi26atEk5H3GEOe2fNnzFvOLOn_qVzpP8rhMQw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D684953B-FAC8-4E40-A567-B01D6BF12442@aol.com>
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Well I agree and disagree with some of your thoughts

You can always say keep the guy...let him finish what he started....recruits can de-comit  etc.  A coach would never get canned with this argument.  It's time for a change.  I know BC hasn't done any worse than others and may have had the best record of any our coaches. But we need new blood

As I posted recently, if it's true that our academic standards are higher than those mentioned,then we have little chance of doing much.  Maybe dear God we could make the dance but that would be it. Let a kid in who will likely graduate if a coach wants him.  I'm know alum's kids get breaks since I do some interviewing out here and have seen some well below #'s get in, and while I don't have any specific knowledge about it, I would bet that a large gift from an alum can get a kid in with even poorer numbers.  Would it be any worse to let a good hoopster in who NU thinks can cut it academically if helped by tutors ?

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 22:31:14 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU
 job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois


   Because its been a few days since the season ended and no firm announcement has been made in keeping BC, I assume Phillips is talking to a select number of coaches which includes Collins. He knows as every day passes it shrinks BC's credibility, and threatens his committments of (3) talented players.  
   I'm on record (at the beginning of conference play when we stumbled to a 1-3 start) of saying that if our team didn't tank it and had good recruits lined up, we should keep BC. As it turned out, the team came within (1) f@#$%ing game of getting to the tournement, and BC has an outstanding trio of incoming recruits as well as Turner and Demps who were red-shirted.  Carmody deserves one more chance which includes: admitting kids who either have all A's and average/slightly above average SAT's, or B's and   high SATs, and a committment to improving facilities.  
   As most of you know I'm not an alum.  I'm happy to have my piece of paper from little 'ole York College (Pa.). Northwestern's committment to excellence is why I've been a fan for 33 years (ouch!), but one thing I know is that we can't expect to hold Carmody to an Ivy League standard when all other "like" schools in the power conferences (Duke, Stanford, Vandy, etc.) don't. If we let a deserving kid in with all A's and average SAT's, how would this be a disservice?  If were not 12th in the conference in facilities, maybe we get a guy who we might otherwise wouldn't get.  

BTW: I'm tired off posters busting on PSU stating that the Bryce-Jordan Center hasn't helped; that facilities upgrades don't help. By my calculations, they've been to the NCAA tournement 4 times since the stadium's been built.

As usual, I haven't posted in ages and when I do its a mile long.  Truthfully, I was so hurt by losing to Minnesota I wanted to get in the fetal position and cry, so I didn't post for awile.  But life goes on, and as Dennis and I can attest, we can take punishment more than most being Phillies and Eagle fans.

I say keep BC. Lety him finish what he started.

GO CATS!!   Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
To: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Cc: NU Sports Listserv <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 4:21 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois


As far as I can see, the only potential negative on Collins is lack of Head 
oaching experience.  His pedigree is impeccable, and I would thinkhis father's 
igh profile and connections throughout the NBA would have to be of some real 
alue in recruiting.  Collins will not end up at Illinois, as the pressure to 
inally hire a head coach of color is probably paramount in their AD's calculus, 
s reported in today's Trib.  
If we make a move, and I remain very conflicted in my own thought process, I 
hink Collins would be a sensational choice.  I like the idea of teaming him 
ith Fitz -- as the young, photogenic, well-educated, passionate and articulate 
aces of NU and it's athletic program -- along with Kelly Amonte Hiller, of 
ourse.  I also would like to move away from the Princeton offense and the 1-3-1 
efense to see a more eclectic approach at both ends of the court.
Paul Levinson
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> 
rote:
> More fodder
 
 http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-nus-carmody-delay-leads-to-collins-talk-20120321,0,4886213.story
 
 
 --
 Jonathan Hodges
 Contributor, HailToPurple
 Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
 Twitter: @hailtopurple
 Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Mar 21 22:52:19 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:52:19 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU
	job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois
In-Reply-To: <1332364637.65325.YahooMailRC@web83913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAAxRJu6t3Kscoi26atEk5H3GEOe2fNnzFvOLOn_qVzpP8rhMQw@mail.gmail.com>
 <D684953B-FAC8-4E40-A567-B01D6BF12442@aol.com>
 <1332363635.8605.YahooMailRC@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
 <1ec82faf-5745-4a50-8d21-e8ae5ff85fad@blur>
 <1332364637.65325.YahooMailRC@web83913.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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That was on the Trib page too - You have to wonder what is going on in the Basketball
office.

 

rsl

 

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From: Evans Schoeman [mailto:eschoeman at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 5:17 PM
To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com; neonrye at aol.com; Jonathan Hodges
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU job, if open;
1 says he prefers it over Illinois

 

If you mean Southern Illinois :), Channel 5 in Chicago reported last night that Weber
would be returning there.

 

  _____  

From: "rstetson at capps-assoc.com" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>; neonrye at aol.com; Jonathan Hodges
<j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Wed, March 21, 2012 4:07:02 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU job, if open;
1 says he prefers it over Illinois

Read somewhere that Tavaras interviewed for SIll?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone



-----Original message-----

From: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>
To: neonrye at aol.com, Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Cc: NU Sports Listserv <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 21:00:35 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU job, if open;
1 says he prefers it over Illinois

Just wondering...if Chris Collins is being seriously considered should the NU 
coaching position open up, why wouldn't Tavaras Hardy also be a candidate?  
Neither have head coaching experience, which I think is a serious liability, but 
Hardy has the advantage of the NU pedigree.

I recall his name being bantered about the list earlier this year, but no one 
seems to be raising it now.  Is he being held responsible for the lack of our 
big men's development, or is there another reason?





________________________________
From: "neonrye at aol.com" 
To: Jonathan Hodges 
Cc: NU Sports Listserv 
Sent: Wed, March 21, 2012 3:20:44 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU 
job, if open; 1 says he prefers it over Illinois

As far as I can see, the only potential negative on Collins is lack of Head 
Coaching experience.  His pedigree is impeccable, and I would thinkhis father's 
high profile and connections throughout the NBA would have to be of some real 
value in recruiting.  Collins will not end up at Illinois, as the pressure to 
finally hire a head coach of color is probably paramount in their AD's calculus, 
as reported in today's Trib.  


If we make a move, and I remain very conflicted in my own thought process, I 
think Collins would be a sensational choice.  I like the idea of teaming him 
with Fitz -- as the young, photogenic, well-educated, passionate and articulate 
faces of NU and it's athletic program -- along with Kelly Amonte Hiller, of 
course.  I also would like to move away from the Princeton offense and the 1-3-1 
defense to see a more eclectic approach at both ends of the court.

Paul Levinson

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jonathan Hodges 
wrote:

> More fodder
> 
>http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-nus-carmody-delay-leads-to-collins-talk-
20120321,0,4886213.story
>y
> 
> 
> --
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> Contributor, HailToPurple
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> Twitter: @hailtopurple
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 00:03:58 2012
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 01:03:58 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini
	JobOffer
In-Reply-To: <878B0834-A417-4CD9-8E58-0CB96C0BB9D8@gmail.com>
References: <8CED5ACBB78DCC6-1744-1E6A@webmail-m146.sysops.aol.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC660676@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <c3b5c0cd-d5b5-42db-9bae-ff9c9d78002a@blur>
 <878B0834-A417-4CD9-8E58-0CB96C0BB9D8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17678417-AABF-4BC3-9FE9-899097EB0F3F@gmail.com>

The situation in Champaign is extremely chaotic and one that no reasonably in demand coach will be interested in and Shaka Smart is more than just reasonably in demand.  However, he has said many times how happy he and his wife, a NU grad, are in Richmond and that they have no desire to leave over money. I believe him.

It will take a special situation to woo him and while I doubt that NU is that situation, the connection with his wife can't be completely discounted. Rumor has it that he also turned NU down but how true that is I don't know.  I would much prefer him to Chris Collins.  In fact, I would much prefer Tavaras Hardy to Collins.

As for Illinois, not only is the athletic department a disaster, but at least two trustees are openly calling for the president's head. If I were a coach, I would not go anywhere near that situation.

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Mar 21, 2012, at 6:05 PM, Art Miller <artmiller1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> As happy as I am to see him spurn the Illini, that anecdote (if true) raises serious questions about his judgement.  Illinois may not be in the very top tier of college hoops, but IMO it's clearly in the second tier.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 21, 2012, at 4:09 PM, "rstetson at capps-assoc.com"<rstetson at capps-assoc.com> wrote:
> 
>> Word on the radio around here is that he's waiting for a Kansas type school.
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>> 
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
>> To: neonrye at aol.com, nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Sent: Wed, Mar 21, 2012 19:51:37 GMT+00:00
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini    JobOffer
>> 
>> He appears to have a good situation at VCU.  He obviously can recruit
>> players who can get him to the dance.
>> 
>> He will continue to be on a lot of schools' short lists.  Will be
>> interesting to see if there is an opportunity that would cause him to
>> leave.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
>> On Behalf Of neonrye at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2012 3:06 PM
>> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Subject: [NU Sports] Shaka Smart Reported to Have Turned Down Illini
>> JobOffer
>> 
>> 
>> Boo hoo!  The Illini have apparently been dissed by Shaka (who must be
>> very) Smart:
>> http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/story/_/id/7718478/vcu-coach-shaka-smart-
>> reportedly-turns-
>> 
>> Paul Levinson
>> illinois
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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Mar 22 00:08:23 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:08:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Greenstein: sources say Chris Collins would take NU
In-Reply-To: <005401cd07df$2f859f00$8e90dd00$@com>
Message-ID: <20120322050823.43D03656F1@romaine.tssi.com>

> That was on the Trib page too - You have to wonder what is going on in 
> the Basketball office.

Or is that in the AD's office?

I'm hoping it isn't what it looks like, the AD conducting a quasi-search
to see who might be interested before deciding whether or not to fire 
the current coach.

Either the coach needs to be fired, and then you go through the process
of finding a new coach, painful and expensive as it might be, or the 
coach doesn't need to be fired.  
--
Mike Nolan


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Mar 22 07:23:38 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:23:38 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16A@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference?
Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips and head men?s basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a joint teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Mar 22 07:31:40 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:31:40 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16A@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

In advance of the teleconference, here are statements from both Phillips and Carmody:?

Northwestern Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips

?This week our department conducted a thorough, objective and comprehensive review of our basketball program, a process we follow at the conclusion of every season for all of our 19 sports. That has been, and will continue to be, my process.?

?Bill Carmody is under contract to be our men?s basketball coach, and has the full support of the athletic department and University. We had another solid season competitively, but let me be perfectly clear: we are not satisfied. We are, however, optimistic that our program will continue to get better on the court while always maintaining a standard of excellence in academic success, NCAA compliance, social behavior and the development of young men.?

Northwestern Head Men?s Basketball Coach Bill Carmody

?We?re proud of what we?ve accomplished these past four years, but we?re disappointed in how this season finished. Expectations were high and they should continue to be.

?I want to be clear about our expectations: While we?re in a better place today than we?ve ever been, it?s not enough. We intend to compete for Big Ten championships and achieve NCAA tournament success.

?We receive tremendous support from the University, President Schapiro, Jim and the athletic department.

? There is no ceiling on our program and there are no significant barriers holding us back. Next season already has begun and we can?t wait to continue our work.?



----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 08:23 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying

Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference?
Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips and head men?s basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a joint teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Mar 22 07:45:54 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:45:54 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16A@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Message-ID: <001501cd0829$b92b33b0$2b819b10$@com>

He's on the hot seat, and he knows it?

Some alums will be happy, and others upset whichever way this plays out, but it sure sounds like BC will be around next year.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying

In advance of the teleconference, here are statements from both Phillips and Carmody: 

Northwestern Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips

?This week our department conducted a thorough, objective and comprehensive review of our basketball program, a process we follow at the conclusion of every season for all of our 19 sports. That has been, and will continue to be, my process. 

?Bill Carmody is under contract to be our men?s basketball coach, and has the full support of the athletic department and University. We had another solid season competitively, but let me be perfectly clear: we are not satisfied. We are, however, optimistic that our program will continue to get better on the court while always maintaining a standard of excellence in academic success, NCAA compliance, social behavior and the development of young men.?

Northwestern Head Men?s Basketball Coach Bill Carmody

?We?re proud of what we?ve accomplished these past four years, but we?re disappointed in how this season finished. Expectations were high and they should continue to be.

?I want to be clear about our expectations: While we?re in a better place today than we?ve ever been, it?s not enough. We intend to compete for Big Ten championships and achieve NCAA tournament success.

?We receive tremendous support from the University, President Schapiro, Jim and the athletic department.

  There is no ceiling on our program and there are no significant barriers holding us back. Next season already has begun and we can?t wait to continue our work.?



----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 08:23 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying

Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips and head men?s basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a joint teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Mar 22 08:28:48 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:28:48 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16A@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
 <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
 <001501cd0829$b92b33b0$2b819b10$@com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

This was clearly a close call for Carmody.
 
I am happy that the university honored its contractual commitments.
 
I'm certain that when the university offered Carmody a contract extension they also set some expectations.  
 
Progress was made this year, but the team ultimately did not live up to its potential.  Carmody has to take responsibility for that.
 
It also appears that Carmody has demonstrated improvement in the other area of historical weakness - recruiting.
 
With this strong incoming class, Carmody is out of excuses.  Next year's team has to go to the dance or Carmody will be replaced.
 
In the "be careful for what you wish for" category, two sophmores (Evan Smotrycz) and one freshman are leaving UoM's bball team.  They want more playing time.  Freshman phenom Tre Burke is considering his NBA options.
 
Transfers appear to be an increasingly popular option for kids who don't crack the starting line-up with the traditional basketball power schools.  It seemed that virtually every mid major team at the dance had somebody who had transferred in from a "name" school.  
 
Jeff  

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 8:45 AM
To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying



He's on the hot seat, and he knows it?

Some alums will be happy, and others upset whichever way this plays out, but it sure sounds like BC will be around next year.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org <http://coachroy.org/> 
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying

In advance of the teleconference, here are statements from both Phillips and Carmody:

Northwestern Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips

"This week our department conducted a thorough, objective and comprehensive review of our basketball program, a process we follow at the conclusion of every season for all of our 19 sports. That has been, and will continue to be, my process.

"Bill Carmody is under contract to be our men's basketball coach, and has the full support of the athletic department and University. We had another solid season competitively, but let me be perfectly clear: we are not satisfied. We are, however, optimistic that our program will continue to get better on the court while always maintaining a standard of excellence in academic success, NCAA compliance, social behavior and the development of young men."

Northwestern Head Men's Basketball Coach Bill Carmody

"We're proud of what we've accomplished these past four years, but we're disappointed in how this season finished. Expectations were high and they should continue to be.

"I want to be clear about our expectations: While we're in a better place today than we've ever been, it's not enough. We intend to compete for Big Ten championships and achieve NCAA tournament success.

"We receive tremendous support from the University, President Schapiro, Jim and the athletic department.

  There is no ceiling on our program and there are no significant barriers holding us back. Next season already has begun and we can't wait to continue our work."



----- Original Message -----
From: Weinbaum, Willie [mailto:Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 08:23 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying

Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips and head men's basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a joint teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Mar 22 08:33:49 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:33:49 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16F@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

I take away multiple messages:

--loyalty

--appreciation

--DISsatisfaction with the status quo and that all are on notice that more of the same will not be acceptable

From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 09:28 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying

This was clearly a close call for Carmody.

I am happy that the university honored its contractual commitments.

I'm certain that when the university offered Carmody a contract extension they also set some expectations.

Progress was made this year, but the team ultimately did not live up to its potential.  Carmody has to take responsibility for that.

It also appears that Carmody has demonstrated improvement in the other area of historical weakness - recruiting.

With this strong incoming class, Carmody is out of excuses.  Next year's team has to go to the dance or Carmody will be replaced.

In the "be careful for what you wish for" category, two sophmores (Evan Smotrycz) and one freshman are leaving UoM's bball team.  They want more playing time.  Freshman phenom Tre Burke is considering his NBA options.

Transfers appear to be an increasingly popular option for kids who don't crack the starting line-up with the traditional basketball power schools.  It seemed that virtually every mid major team at the dance had somebody who had transferred in from a "name" school.

Jeff

________________________________
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 8:45 AM
To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying


He's on the hot seat, and he knows it?

Some alums will be happy, and others upset whichever way this plays out, but it sure sounds like BC will be around next year.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org<http://coachroy.org/>
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying

In advance of the teleconference, here are statements from both Phillips and Carmody:

Northwestern Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips

?This week our department conducted a thorough, objective and comprehensive review of our basketball program, a process we follow at the conclusion of every season for all of our 19 sports. That has been, and will continue to be, my process.

?Bill Carmody is under contract to be our men?s basketball coach, and has the full support of the athletic department and University. We had another solid season competitively, but let me be perfectly clear: we are not satisfied. We are, however, optimistic that our program will continue to get better on the court while always maintaining a standard of excellence in academic success, NCAA compliance, social behavior and the development of young men.?

Northwestern Head Men?s Basketball Coach Bill Carmody

?We?re proud of what we?ve accomplished these past four years, but we?re disappointed in how this season finished. Expectations were high and they should continue to be.

?I want to be clear about our expectations: While we?re in a better place today than we?ve ever been, it?s not enough. We intend to compete for Big Ten championships and achieve NCAA tournament success.

?We receive tremendous support from the University, President Schapiro, Jim and the athletic department.

  There is no ceiling on our program and there are no significant barriers holding us back. Next season already has begun and we can?t wait to continue our work.?



----- Original Message -----
From: Weinbaum, Willie [mailto:Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 08:23 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying

Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips and head men?s basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a joint teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).

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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Mar 22 08:44:10 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:44:10 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16F@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16F@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu55kBUBi6+bTuuGVHJuZMvym8HnGBTU_rO6=Noywoo6Ag@mail.gmail.com>

Worth noting: it's clear Carmody is not getting an extension out of this
(his current deal runs through next season).  That is a clear message that
he has to get it done now (since usually head coaches like to have at least
another season on the end of their contracts for recruiting purposes - to
prove they'll be around).

NU last fired a head men's basketball coach in 1997 (Ricky Byrdsong, who
had 1 year left on his deal).  NU football hasn't fired a coach (with time
remaining on the contract) in over 30 years (Venturi, I believe/assume -
can't find much detail on it, though. Subsequently: Green left on his own,
Peay's contract expired, Barnett left, and Walker passed).

I'm glad there will be a clear goal with consequences next season, although
I still think it's taken way too long to get to that point.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:

> I take away multiple messages:
>
> --loyalty
>
> --appreciation
>
> --DISsatisfaction with the status quo and that all are on notice that more
> of the same will not be acceptable
>
> From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 09:28 AM
> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; Weinbaum, Willie;
> nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>
> This was clearly a close call for Carmody.
>
> I am happy that the university honored its contractual commitments.
>
> I'm certain that when the university offered Carmody a contract extension
> they also set some expectations.
>
> Progress was made this year, but the team ultimately did not live up to
> its potential.  Carmody has to take responsibility for that.
>
> It also appears that Carmody has demonstrated improvement in the other
> area of historical weakness - recruiting.
>
> With this strong incoming class, Carmody is out of excuses.  Next year's
> team has to go to the dance or Carmody will be replaced.
>
> In the "be careful for what you wish for" category, two sophmores (Evan
> Smotrycz) and one freshman are leaving UoM's bball team.  They want more
> playing time.  Freshman phenom Tre Burke is considering his NBA options.
>
> Transfers appear to be an increasingly popular option for kids who don't
> crack the starting line-up with the traditional basketball power schools.
>  It seemed that virtually every mid major team at the dance had somebody
> who had transferred in from a "name" school.
>
> Jeff
>
> ________________________________
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
> Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 8:45 AM
> To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>
>
> He's on the hot seat, and he knows it?
>
> Some alums will be happy, and others upset whichever way this plays out,
> but it sure sounds like BC will be around next year.
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org<http://coachroy.org/>
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 AM
> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>
> In advance of the teleconference, here are statements from both Phillips
> and Carmody:
>
> Northwestern Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
>
> ?This week our department conducted a thorough, objective and
> comprehensive review of our basketball program, a process we follow at the
> conclusion of every season for all of our 19 sports. That has been, and
> will continue to be, my process.
>
> ?Bill Carmody is under contract to be our men?s basketball coach, and has
> the full support of the athletic department and University. We had another
> solid season competitively, but let me be perfectly clear: we are not
> satisfied. We are, however, optimistic that our program will continue to
> get better on the court while always maintaining a standard of excellence
> in academic success, NCAA compliance, social behavior and the development
> of young men.?
>
> Northwestern Head Men?s Basketball Coach Bill Carmody
>
> ?We?re proud of what we?ve accomplished these past four years, but we?re
> disappointed in how this season finished. Expectations were high and they
> should continue to be.
>
> ?I want to be clear about our expectations: While we?re in a better place
> today than we?ve ever been, it?s not enough. We intend to compete for Big
> Ten championships and achieve NCAA tournament success.
>
> ?We receive tremendous support from the University, President Schapiro,
> Jim and the athletic department.
>
>  There is no ceiling on our program and there are no significant barriers
> holding us back. Next season already has begun and we can?t wait to
> continue our work.?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Weinbaum, Willie [mailto:Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 08:23 AM
> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>
> Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference
> Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
> and head men?s basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a joint
> teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).
>
> _______________________________________________
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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 08:58:41 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 09:58:41 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu55kBUBi6+bTuuGVHJuZMvym8HnGBTU_rO6=Noywoo6Ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16F@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Message-ID: <C4874418-0AA5-49EB-86BA-16EDB3677FA7@gmail.com>

Although initial reports last year were that Carmody's contract ran through 2012-13, I believe Greenstein and others have since reported that his extension was actually beyond next season.



On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:

> Worth noting: it's clear Carmody is not getting an extension out of this
> (his current deal runs through next season).  That is a clear message that
> he has to get it done now (since usually head coaches like to have at least
> another season on the end of their contracts for recruiting purposes - to
> prove they'll be around).
> 
> NU last fired a head men's basketball coach in 1997 (Ricky Byrdsong, who
> had 1 year left on his deal).  NU football hasn't fired a coach (with time
> remaining on the contract) in over 30 years (Venturi, I believe/assume -
> can't find much detail on it, though. Subsequently: Green left on his own,
> Peay's contract expired, Barnett left, and Walker passed).
> 
> I'm glad there will be a clear goal with consequences next season, although
> I still think it's taken way too long to get to that point.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> --
> Jonathan Hodges
> Contributor, HailToPurple
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> Twitter: @hailtopurple
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Weinbaum, Willie
> <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:
> 
>> I take away multiple messages:
>> 
>> --loyalty
>> 
>> --appreciation
>> 
>> --DISsatisfaction with the status quo and that all are on notice that more
>> of the same will not be acceptable
>> 
>> From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 09:28 AM
>> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; Weinbaum, Willie;
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>> 
>> This was clearly a close call for Carmody.
>> 
>> I am happy that the university honored its contractual commitments.
>> 
>> I'm certain that when the university offered Carmody a contract extension
>> they also set some expectations.
>> 
>> Progress was made this year, but the team ultimately did not live up to
>> its potential.  Carmody has to take responsibility for that.
>> 
>> It also appears that Carmody has demonstrated improvement in the other
>> area of historical weakness - recruiting.
>> 
>> With this strong incoming class, Carmody is out of excuses.  Next year's
>> team has to go to the dance or Carmody will be replaced.
>> 
>> In the "be careful for what you wish for" category, two sophmores (Evan
>> Smotrycz) and one freshman are leaving UoM's bball team.  They want more
>> playing time.  Freshman phenom Tre Burke is considering his NBA options.
>> 
>> Transfers appear to be an increasingly popular option for kids who don't
>> crack the starting line-up with the traditional basketball power schools.
>> It seemed that virtually every mid major team at the dance had somebody
>> who had transferred in from a "name" school.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
>> Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 8:45 AM
>> To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>> 
>> 
>> He's on the hot seat, and he knows it?
>> 
>> Some alums will be happy, and others upset whichever way this plays out,
>> but it sure sounds like BC will be around next year.
>> 
>> rsl
>> 
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
>> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>> Computer Applications & Support Associates
>> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org<http://coachroy.org/>
>> --------------------- Also ----------------------
>> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
>> Director Media Relations - Little League
>> Senior League Softball World Series
>> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
>> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
>> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
>> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
>> =================================================
>> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
>> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
>> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
>> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
>> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
>> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>>                  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
>> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
>> Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 AM
>> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>> 
>> In advance of the teleconference, here are statements from both Phillips
>> and Carmody:
>> 
>> Northwestern Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
>> 
>> ?This week our department conducted a thorough, objective and
>> comprehensive review of our basketball program, a process we follow at the
>> conclusion of every season for all of our 19 sports. That has been, and
>> will continue to be, my process.
>> 
>> ?Bill Carmody is under contract to be our men?s basketball coach, and has
>> the full support of the athletic department and University. We had another
>> solid season competitively, but let me be perfectly clear: we are not
>> satisfied. We are, however, optimistic that our program will continue to
>> get better on the court while always maintaining a standard of excellence
>> in academic success, NCAA compliance, social behavior and the development
>> of young men.?
>> 
>> Northwestern Head Men?s Basketball Coach Bill Carmody
>> 
>> ?We?re proud of what we?ve accomplished these past four years, but we?re
>> disappointed in how this season finished. Expectations were high and they
>> should continue to be.
>> 
>> ?I want to be clear about our expectations: While we?re in a better place
>> today than we?ve ever been, it?s not enough. We intend to compete for Big
>> Ten championships and achieve NCAA tournament success.
>> 
>> ?We receive tremendous support from the University, President Schapiro,
>> Jim and the athletic department.
>> 
>> There is no ceiling on our program and there are no significant barriers
>> holding us back. Next season already has begun and we can?t wait to
>> continue our work.?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Weinbaum, Willie [mailto:Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 08:23 AM
>> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>> 
>> Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference
>> Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
>> and head men?s basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a joint
>> teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Mar 22 09:00:42 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 10:00:42 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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just one additional thought on the subject.
 
The "basketball community" seems to hold Carmody in high regard and feels that he has made great progress under adverse conditions.
 
This process which does, as Willie pointed out, recognize that how far the program has come while at the same time setting clear and public goals for the next season, may work to our benefit if those goals are NOT met next year.
 
More quality coaches might be interested in the job seeing that the University treated Carmody with respect and gave him every opportunity to be successful.
 
Jeff

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 9:44 AM
To: Weinbaum, Willie
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying



Worth noting: it's clear Carmody is not getting an extension out of this
(his current deal runs through next season).  That is a clear message that
he has to get it done now (since usually head coaches like to have at least
another season on the end of their contracts for recruiting purposes - to
prove they'll be around).

NU last fired a head men's basketball coach in 1997 (Ricky Byrdsong, who
had 1 year left on his deal).  NU football hasn't fired a coach (with time
remaining on the contract) in over 30 years (Venturi, I believe/assume -
can't find much detail on it, though. Subsequently: Green left on his own,
Peay's contract expired, Barnett left, and Walker passed).

I'm glad there will be a clear goal with consequences next season, although
I still think it's taken way too long to get to that point.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:

> I take away multiple messages:
>
> --loyalty
>
> --appreciation
>
> --DISsatisfaction with the status quo and that all are on notice that more
> of the same will not be acceptable
>
> From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 09:28 AM
> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; Weinbaum, Willie;
> nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>
> This was clearly a close call for Carmody.
>
> I am happy that the university honored its contractual commitments.
>
> I'm certain that when the university offered Carmody a contract extension
> they also set some expectations.
>
> Progress was made this year, but the team ultimately did not live up to
> its potential.  Carmody has to take responsibility for that.
>
> It also appears that Carmody has demonstrated improvement in the other
> area of historical weakness - recruiting.
>
> With this strong incoming class, Carmody is out of excuses.  Next year's
> team has to go to the dance or Carmody will be replaced.
>
> In the "be careful for what you wish for" category, two sophmores (Evan
> Smotrycz) and one freshman are leaving UoM's bball team.  They want more
> playing time.  Freshman phenom Tre Burke is considering his NBA options.
>
> Transfers appear to be an increasingly popular option for kids who don't
> crack the starting line-up with the traditional basketball power schools.
>  It seemed that virtually every mid major team at the dance had somebody
> who had transferred in from a "name" school.
>
> Jeff
>
> ________________________________
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
> Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 8:45 AM
> To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>
>
> He's on the hot seat, and he knows it?
>
> Some alums will be happy, and others upset whichever way this plays out,
> but it sure sounds like BC will be around next year.
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org <http://coachroy.org/> <http://coachroy.org/>
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 AM
> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>
> In advance of the teleconference, here are statements from both Phillips
> and Carmody:
>
> Northwestern Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
>
> "This week our department conducted a thorough, objective and
> comprehensive review of our basketball program, a process we follow at the
> conclusion of every season for all of our 19 sports. That has been, and
> will continue to be, my process.
>
> "Bill Carmody is under contract to be our men's basketball coach, and has
> the full support of the athletic department and University. We had another
> solid season competitively, but let me be perfectly clear: we are not
> satisfied. We are, however, optimistic that our program will continue to
> get better on the court while always maintaining a standard of excellence
> in academic success, NCAA compliance, social behavior and the development
> of young men."
>
> Northwestern Head Men's Basketball Coach Bill Carmody
>
> "We're proud of what we've accomplished these past four years, but we're
> disappointed in how this season finished. Expectations were high and they
> should continue to be.
>
> "I want to be clear about our expectations: While we're in a better place
> today than we've ever been, it's not enough. We intend to compete for Big
> Ten championships and achieve NCAA tournament success.
>
> "We receive tremendous support from the University, President Schapiro,
> Jim and the athletic department.
>
>  There is no ceiling on our program and there are no significant barriers
> holding us back. Next season already has begun and we can't wait to
> continue our work."
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Weinbaum, Willie [mailto:Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 08:23 AM
> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>
> Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference
> Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
> and head men's basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a joint
> teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar 22 11:13:49 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:13:49 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDF@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16F@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Message-ID: <50663C02-4FE8-4C91-9591-2B9CF04F85C6@aol.com>

Jeff makes a very cogent point.  However, one downside that hasn't been discussed here is the reaction of the team going forward.  Clearly, the twin burdens of our 74 year drought and the expectations of a possible trip to The Dance (constant "bubble" talk ,etc.) contributed to our tight squad falling short against Minny in Indy--just as our "monkey" has been a weight on the football team in bowl games.  However, the fb guys are not playing for Fitz's job--but the hoopsters will certainly know that no Dance in 2013 likely means the exit door for Carmody.  That concerns me--a lot.

Paul Levinson
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:00 AM, "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

> just one additional thought on the subject.
> The "basketball community" seems to hold Carmody in high regard and feels that he has made great progress under adverse conditions.
> 
> This process which does, as Willie pointed out, recognize that how far the program has come while at the same time setting clear and public goals for the next season, may work to our benefit if those goals are NOT met next year.
> 
> More quality coaches might be interested in the job seeing that the University treated Carmody with respect and gave him every opportunity to be successful.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
> Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 9:44 AM
> To: Weinbaum, Willie
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
> 
> 
> 
> Worth noting: it's clear Carmody is not getting an extension out of this
> (his current deal runs through next season).  That is a clear message that
> he has to get it done now (since usually head coaches like to have at least
> another season on the end of their contracts for recruiting purposes - to
> prove they'll be around).
> 
> NU last fired a head men's basketball coach in 1997 (Ricky Byrdsong, who
> had 1 year left on his deal).  NU football hasn't fired a coach (with time
> remaining on the contract) in over 30 years (Venturi, I believe/assume -
> can't find much detail on it, though. Subsequently: Green left on his own,
> Peay's contract expired, Barnett left, and Walker passed).
> 
> I'm glad there will be a clear goal with consequences next season, although
> I still think it's taken way too long to get to that point.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> --
> Jonathan Hodges
> Contributor, HailToPurple
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> Twitter: @hailtopurple
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Weinbaum, Willie
> <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:
> 
>> I take away multiple messages:
>> 
>> --loyalty
>> 
>> --appreciation
>> 
>> --DISsatisfaction with the status quo and that all are on notice that more
>> of the same will not be acceptable
>> 
>> From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 09:28 AM
>> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; Weinbaum, Willie;
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>> 
>> This was clearly a close call for Carmody.
>> 
>> I am happy that the university honored its contractual commitments.
>> 
>> I'm certain that when the university offered Carmody a contract extension
>> they also set some expectations.
>> 
>> Progress was made this year, but the team ultimately did not live up to
>> its potential.  Carmody has to take responsibility for that.
>> 
>> It also appears that Carmody has demonstrated improvement in the other
>> area of historical weakness - recruiting.
>> 
>> With this strong incoming class, Carmody is out of excuses.  Next year's
>> team has to go to the dance or Carmody will be replaced.
>> 
>> In the "be careful for what you wish for" category, two sophmores (Evan
>> Smotrycz) and one freshman are leaving UoM's bball team.  They want more
>> playing time.  Freshman phenom Tre Burke is considering his NBA options.
>> 
>> Transfers appear to be an increasingly popular option for kids who don't
>> crack the starting line-up with the traditional basketball power schools.
>> It seemed that virtually every mid major team at the dance had somebody
>> who had transferred in from a "name" school.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
>> Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 8:45 AM
>> To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>> 
>> 
>> He's on the hot seat, and he knows it?
>> 
>> Some alums will be happy, and others upset whichever way this plays out,
>> but it sure sounds like BC will be around next year.
>> 
>> rsl
>> 
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
>> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>> Computer Applications & Support Associates
>> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org <http://coachroy.org/> <http://coachroy.org/>
>> --------------------- Also ----------------------
>> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
>> Director Media Relations - Little League
>> Senior League Softball World Series
>> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
>> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
>> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
>> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
>> =================================================
>> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
>> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
>> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
>> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
>> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
>> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>>                  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
>> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
>> Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 AM
>> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>> 
>> In advance of the teleconference, here are statements from both Phillips
>> and Carmody:
>> 
>> Northwestern Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
>> 
>> "This week our department conducted a thorough, objective and
>> comprehensive review of our basketball program, a process we follow at the
>> conclusion of every season for all of our 19 sports. That has been, and
>> will continue to be, my process.
>> 
>> "Bill Carmody is under contract to be our men's basketball coach, and has
>> the full support of the athletic department and University. We had another
>> solid season competitively, but let me be perfectly clear: we are not
>> satisfied. We are, however, optimistic that our program will continue to
>> get better on the court while always maintaining a standard of excellence
>> in academic success, NCAA compliance, social behavior and the development
>> of young men."
>> 
>> Northwestern Head Men's Basketball Coach Bill Carmody
>> 
>> "We're proud of what we've accomplished these past four years, but we're
>> disappointed in how this season finished. Expectations were high and they
>> should continue to be.
>> 
>> "I want to be clear about our expectations: While we're in a better place
>> today than we've ever been, it's not enough. We intend to compete for Big
>> Ten championships and achieve NCAA tournament success.
>> 
>> "We receive tremendous support from the University, President Schapiro,
>> Jim and the athletic department.
>> 
>> There is no ceiling on our program and there are no significant barriers
>> holding us back. Next season already has begun and we can't wait to
>> continue our work."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Weinbaum, Willie [mailto:Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 08:23 AM
>> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>> 
>> Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference
>> Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
>> and head men's basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a joint
>> teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Mar 22 11:30:54 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 12:30:54 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16F@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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We did have a terrible game against Minny, but so did UoM.
 
Minny just happens to be playing their best basketball of the season right now with their best player on the bench.  Tubby should be getting a lot of credit for that.  They play Washington next Tuesday at MSG. We'll see if they are able to give Washington a better game than we did.
 
Clearly Carmody is going to have to do a better job next year of getting his kids ready to play in these big games.
 
Jeff

________________________________

From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com]
Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 12:13 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff
Cc: Jonathan Hodges; Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying



Jeff makes a very cogent point.  However, one downside that hasn't been discussed here is the reaction of the team going forward.  Clearly, the twin burdens of our 74 year drought and the expectations of a possible trip to The Dance (constant "bubble" talk ,etc.) contributed to our tight squad falling short against Minny in Indy--just as our "monkey" has been a weight on the football team in bowl games.  However, the fb guys are not playing for Fitz's job--but the hoopsters will certainly know that no Dance in 2013 likely means the exit door for Carmody.  That concerns me--a lot.

Paul Levinson
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:00 AM, "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

> just one additional thought on the subject.
> The "basketball community" seems to hold Carmody in high regard and feels that he has made great progress under adverse conditions.
>
> This process which does, as Willie pointed out, recognize that how far the program has come while at the same time setting clear and public goals for the next season, may work to our benefit if those goals are NOT met next year.
>
> More quality coaches might be interested in the job seeing that the University treated Carmody with respect and gave him every opportunity to be successful.
>
> Jeff
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
> Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 9:44 AM
> To: Weinbaum, Willie
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>
>
>
> Worth noting: it's clear Carmody is not getting an extension out of this
> (his current deal runs through next season).  That is a clear message that
> he has to get it done now (since usually head coaches like to have at least
> another season on the end of their contracts for recruiting purposes - to
> prove they'll be around).
>
> NU last fired a head men's basketball coach in 1997 (Ricky Byrdsong, who
> had 1 year left on his deal).  NU football hasn't fired a coach (with time
> remaining on the contract) in over 30 years (Venturi, I believe/assume -
> can't find much detail on it, though. Subsequently: Green left on his own,
> Peay's contract expired, Barnett left, and Walker passed).
>
> I'm glad there will be a clear goal with consequences next season, although
> I still think it's taken way too long to get to that point.
>
> Jonathan
>
> --
> Jonathan Hodges
> Contributor, HailToPurple
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> Twitter: @hailtopurple
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Weinbaum, Willie
> <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:
>
>> I take away multiple messages:
>>
>> --loyalty
>>
>> --appreciation
>>
>> --DISsatisfaction with the status quo and that all are on notice that more
>> of the same will not be acceptable
>>
>> From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 09:28 AM
>> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; Weinbaum, Willie;
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>>
>> This was clearly a close call for Carmody.
>>
>> I am happy that the university honored its contractual commitments.
>>
>> I'm certain that when the university offered Carmody a contract extension
>> they also set some expectations.
>>
>> Progress was made this year, but the team ultimately did not live up to
>> its potential.  Carmody has to take responsibility for that.
>>
>> It also appears that Carmody has demonstrated improvement in the other
>> area of historical weakness - recruiting.
>>
>> With this strong incoming class, Carmody is out of excuses.  Next year's
>> team has to go to the dance or Carmody will be replaced.
>>
>> In the "be careful for what you wish for" category, two sophmores (Evan
>> Smotrycz) and one freshman are leaving UoM's bball team.  They want more
>> playing time.  Freshman phenom Tre Burke is considering his NBA options.
>>
>> Transfers appear to be an increasingly popular option for kids who don't
>> crack the starting line-up with the traditional basketball power schools.
>> It seemed that virtually every mid major team at the dance had somebody
>> who had transferred in from a "name" school.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
>> Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 8:45 AM
>> To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>>
>>
>> He's on the hot seat, and he knows it?
>>
>> Some alums will be happy, and others upset whichever way this plays out,
>> but it sure sounds like BC will be around next year.
>>
>> rsl
>>
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
>> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>> Computer Applications & Support Associates
>> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org <http://coachroy.org/>  <http://coachroy.org/> <http://coachroy.org/>
>> --------------------- Also ----------------------
>> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
>> Director Media Relations - Little League
>> Senior League Softball World Series
>> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
>> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
>> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
>> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
>> =================================================
>> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
>> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
>> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
>> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
>> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
>> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>>                  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
>> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
>> Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 AM
>> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>>
>> In advance of the teleconference, here are statements from both Phillips
>> and Carmody:
>>
>> Northwestern Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
>>
>> "This week our department conducted a thorough, objective and
>> comprehensive review of our basketball program, a process we follow at the
>> conclusion of every season for all of our 19 sports. That has been, and
>> will continue to be, my process.
>>
>> "Bill Carmody is under contract to be our men's basketball coach, and has
>> the full support of the athletic department and University. We had another
>> solid season competitively, but let me be perfectly clear: we are not
>> satisfied. We are, however, optimistic that our program will continue to
>> get better on the court while always maintaining a standard of excellence
>> in academic success, NCAA compliance, social behavior and the development
>> of young men."
>>
>> Northwestern Head Men's Basketball Coach Bill Carmody
>>
>> "We're proud of what we've accomplished these past four years, but we're
>> disappointed in how this season finished. Expectations were high and they
>> should continue to be.
>>
>> "I want to be clear about our expectations: While we're in a better place
>> today than we've ever been, it's not enough. We intend to compete for Big
>> Ten championships and achieve NCAA tournament success.
>>
>> "We receive tremendous support from the University, President Schapiro,
>> Jim and the athletic department.
>>
>> There is no ceiling on our program and there are no significant barriers
>> holding us back. Next season already has begun and we can't wait to
>> continue our work."
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Weinbaum, Willie [mailto:Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 08:23 AM
>> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>>
>> Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference
>> Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
>> and head men's basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a joint
>> teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>
>
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Mar 22 13:27:24 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:27:24 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
In-Reply-To: <C4874418-0AA5-49EB-86BA-16EDB3677FA7@gmail.com>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16F@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
 <CAAxRJu55kBUBi6+bTuuGVHJuZMvym8HnGBTU_rO6=Noywoo6Ag@mail.gmail.com>
 <C4874418-0AA5-49EB-86BA-16EDB3677FA7@gmail.com>
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You're correct; Carmody himself said that it runs beyond next season, but
refused to say how much longer (said that he only tells recruits & their
parents):
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-northwestern-bringing-back-carmody-20120322,0,246040.story

In any case, it's clearly telling that there was no extension (as there
usually seems to be when these kind of announcements are made and the coach
is staying around).  This truly looks like his final chance.

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:

> Although initial reports last year were that Carmody's contract ran
> through 2012-13, I believe Greenstein and others have since reported that
> his extension was actually beyond next season.
>
>
>
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:44 AM, Jonathan Hodges <
> j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:
>
> > Worth noting: it's clear Carmody is not getting an extension out of this
> > (his current deal runs through next season).  That is a clear message
> that
> > he has to get it done now (since usually head coaches like to have at
> least
> > another season on the end of their contracts for recruiting purposes - to
> > prove they'll be around).
> >
> > NU last fired a head men's basketball coach in 1997 (Ricky Byrdsong, who
> > had 1 year left on his deal).  NU football hasn't fired a coach (with
> time
> > remaining on the contract) in over 30 years (Venturi, I believe/assume -
> > can't find much detail on it, though. Subsequently: Green left on his
> own,
> > Peay's contract expired, Barnett left, and Walker passed).
> >
> > I'm glad there will be a clear goal with consequences next season,
> although
> > I still think it's taken way too long to get to that point.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > --
> > Jonathan Hodges
> > Contributor, HailToPurple
> > Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> > Twitter: @hailtopurple
> > Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Weinbaum, Willie
> > <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:
> >
> >> I take away multiple messages:
> >>
> >> --loyalty
> >>
> >> --appreciation
> >>
> >> --DISsatisfaction with the status quo and that all are on notice that
> more
> >> of the same will not be acceptable
> >>
> >> From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 09:28 AM
> >> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; Weinbaum, Willie;
> >> nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> >> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
> >>
> >> This was clearly a close call for Carmody.
> >>
> >> I am happy that the university honored its contractual commitments.
> >>
> >> I'm certain that when the university offered Carmody a contract
> extension
> >> they also set some expectations.
> >>
> >> Progress was made this year, but the team ultimately did not live up to
> >> its potential.  Carmody has to take responsibility for that.
> >>
> >> It also appears that Carmody has demonstrated improvement in the other
> >> area of historical weakness - recruiting.
> >>
> >> With this strong incoming class, Carmody is out of excuses.  Next year's
> >> team has to go to the dance or Carmody will be replaced.
> >>
> >> In the "be careful for what you wish for" category, two sophmores (Evan
> >> Smotrycz) and one freshman are leaving UoM's bball team.  They want more
> >> playing time.  Freshman phenom Tre Burke is considering his NBA options.
> >>
> >> Transfers appear to be an increasingly popular option for kids who don't
> >> crack the starting line-up with the traditional basketball power
> schools.
> >> It seemed that virtually every mid major team at the dance had somebody
> >> who had transferred in from a "name" school.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
> >> Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 8:45 AM
> >> To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> >> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
> >>
> >>
> >> He's on the hot seat, and he knows it?
> >>
> >> Some alums will be happy, and others upset whichever way this plays out,
> >> but it sure sounds like BC will be around next year.
> >>
> >> rsl
> >>
> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> >> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> >> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> >> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> >> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org<http://coachroy.org/>
> >> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> >> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> >> Director Media Relations - Little League
> >> Senior League Softball World Series
> >> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> >> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> >> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> >> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> >> =================================================
> >> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> >> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> >> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> >> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> >> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> >> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
> >>                  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> >> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 AM
> >> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
> >> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
> >>
> >> In advance of the teleconference, here are statements from both Phillips
> >> and Carmody:
> >>
> >> Northwestern Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
> >>
> >> ?This week our department conducted a thorough, objective and
> >> comprehensive review of our basketball program, a process we follow at
> the
> >> conclusion of every season for all of our 19 sports. That has been, and
> >> will continue to be, my process.
> >>
> >> ?Bill Carmody is under contract to be our men?s basketball coach, and
> has
> >> the full support of the athletic department and University. We had
> another
> >> solid season competitively, but let me be perfectly clear: we are not
> >> satisfied. We are, however, optimistic that our program will continue to
> >> get better on the court while always maintaining a standard of
> excellence
> >> in academic success, NCAA compliance, social behavior and the
> development
> >> of young men.?
> >>
> >> Northwestern Head Men?s Basketball Coach Bill Carmody
> >>
> >> ?We?re proud of what we?ve accomplished these past four years, but we?re
> >> disappointed in how this season finished. Expectations were high and
> they
> >> should continue to be.
> >>
> >> ?I want to be clear about our expectations: While we?re in a better
> place
> >> today than we?ve ever been, it?s not enough. We intend to compete for
> Big
> >> Ten championships and achieve NCAA tournament success.
> >>
> >> ?We receive tremendous support from the University, President Schapiro,
> >> Jim and the athletic department.
> >>
> >> There is no ceiling on our program and there are no significant barriers
> >> holding us back. Next season already has begun and we can?t wait to
> >> continue our work.?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Weinbaum, Willie [mailto:Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 08:23 AM
> >> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> >> Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
> >>
> >> Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference
> >> Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim
> Phillips
> >> and head men?s basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a joint
> >> teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nwu-sports site list
> >> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> >> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nwu-sports site list
> >> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> >> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nwu-sports site list
> >> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> >> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nwu-sports site list
> >> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> >> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Thu Mar 22 13:48:43 2012
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:48:43 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu4n0cFGJyUUjSKRUiiBtVM2UPR+BXc34AqauK_tZAi51g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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 <CAAxRJu55kBUBi6+bTuuGVHJuZMvym8HnGBTU_rO6=Noywoo6Ag@mail.gmail.com>
 <C4874418-0AA5-49EB-86BA-16EDB3677FA7@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <002101cd085c$682c4e80$3884eb80$@warnerpatents.com>

A cat has 9 lives, the saying goes.  As I have said before, Bill should have
been dumped after year 5 and each year thereafter.  This will be year 13 for
Bill - Year 9 in cat lives.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 11:27 AM
To: Aaron Ament
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying

You're correct; Carmody himself said that it runs beyond next season, but
refused to say how much longer (said that he only tells recruits & their
parents):
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-northwestern-bringing-back-
carmody-20120322,0,246040.story

In any case, it's clearly telling that there was no extension (as there
usually seems to be when these kind of announcements are made and the coach
is staying around).  This truly looks like his final chance.

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu





From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 19:03:45 2012
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:03:45 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
In-Reply-To: <50663C02-4FE8-4C91-9591-2B9CF04F85C6@aol.com>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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Message-ID: <9DB1FC17-FC9B-4374-BC65-FBC1700B4ED8@gmail.com>

Philips made a point of saying that he consulted with some of the players during his review. I don't think the idea of playing for his job, which they won't be doing IMHO, will put any more pressure on them than the constant make the Dance noise they hear and read all season.

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Mar 22, 2012, at 12:13 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Jeff makes a very cogent point.  However, one downside that hasn't been discussed here is the reaction of the team going forward.  Clearly, the twin burdens of our 74 year drought and the expectations of a possible trip to The Dance (constant "bubble" talk ,etc.) contributed to our tight squad falling short against Minny in Indy--just as our "monkey" has been a weight on the football team in bowl games.  However, the fb guys are not playing for Fitz's job--but the hoopsters will certainly know that no Dance in 2013 likely means the exit door for Carmody.  That concerns me--a lot.
> 
> Paul Levinson
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:00 AM, "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:
> 
>> just one additional thought on the subject.
>> The "basketball community" seems to hold Carmody in high regard and feels that he has made great progress under adverse conditions.
>> 
>> This process which does, as Willie pointed out, recognize that how far the program has come while at the same time setting clear and public goals for the next season, may work to our benefit if those goals are NOT met next year.
>> 
>> More quality coaches might be interested in the job seeing that the University treated Carmody with respect and gave him every opportunity to be successful.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
>> Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 9:44 AM
>> To: Weinbaum, Willie
>> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Worth noting: it's clear Carmody is not getting an extension out of this
>> (his current deal runs through next season).  That is a clear message that
>> he has to get it done now (since usually head coaches like to have at least
>> another season on the end of their contracts for recruiting purposes - to
>> prove they'll be around).
>> 
>> NU last fired a head men's basketball coach in 1997 (Ricky Byrdsong, who
>> had 1 year left on his deal).  NU football hasn't fired a coach (with time
>> remaining on the contract) in over 30 years (Venturi, I believe/assume -
>> can't find much detail on it, though. Subsequently: Green left on his own,
>> Peay's contract expired, Barnett left, and Walker passed).
>> 
>> I'm glad there will be a clear goal with consequences next season, although
>> I still think it's taken way too long to get to that point.
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> --
>> Jonathan Hodges
>> Contributor, HailToPurple
>> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
>> Twitter: @hailtopurple
>> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Weinbaum, Willie
>> <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> I take away multiple messages:
>>> 
>>> --loyalty
>>> 
>>> --appreciation
>>> 
>>> --DISsatisfaction with the status quo and that all are on notice that more
>>> of the same will not be acceptable
>>> 
>>> From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 09:28 AM
>>> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; Weinbaum, Willie;
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>>> 
>>> This was clearly a close call for Carmody.
>>> 
>>> I am happy that the university honored its contractual commitments.
>>> 
>>> I'm certain that when the university offered Carmody a contract extension
>>> they also set some expectations.
>>> 
>>> Progress was made this year, but the team ultimately did not live up to
>>> its potential.  Carmody has to take responsibility for that.
>>> 
>>> It also appears that Carmody has demonstrated improvement in the other
>>> area of historical weakness - recruiting.
>>> 
>>> With this strong incoming class, Carmody is out of excuses.  Next year's
>>> team has to go to the dance or Carmody will be replaced.
>>> 
>>> In the "be careful for what you wish for" category, two sophmores (Evan
>>> Smotrycz) and one freshman are leaving UoM's bball team.  They want more
>>> playing time.  Freshman phenom Tre Burke is considering his NBA options.
>>> 
>>> Transfers appear to be an increasingly popular option for kids who don't
>>> crack the starting line-up with the traditional basketball power schools.
>>> It seemed that virtually every mid major team at the dance had somebody
>>> who had transferred in from a "name" school.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
>>> Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 8:45 AM
>>> To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>>> 
>>> 
>>> He's on the hot seat, and he knows it?
>>> 
>>> Some alums will be happy, and others upset whichever way this plays out,
>>> but it sure sounds like BC will be around next year.
>>> 
>>> rsl
>>> 
>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
>>> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>>> Computer Applications & Support Associates
>>> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org <http://coachroy.org/> <http://coachroy.org/>
>>> --------------------- Also ----------------------
>>> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
>>> Director Media Relations - Little League
>>> Senior League Softball World Series
>>> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
>>> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
>>> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
>>> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
>>> =================================================
>>> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
>>> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
>>> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
>>> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
>>> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
>>> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>>>                 -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
>>> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 AM
>>> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
>>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>>> 
>>> In advance of the teleconference, here are statements from both Phillips
>>> and Carmody:
>>> 
>>> Northwestern Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
>>> 
>>> "This week our department conducted a thorough, objective and
>>> comprehensive review of our basketball program, a process we follow at the
>>> conclusion of every season for all of our 19 sports. That has been, and
>>> will continue to be, my process.
>>> 
>>> "Bill Carmody is under contract to be our men's basketball coach, and has
>>> the full support of the athletic department and University. We had another
>>> solid season competitively, but let me be perfectly clear: we are not
>>> satisfied. We are, however, optimistic that our program will continue to
>>> get better on the court while always maintaining a standard of excellence
>>> in academic success, NCAA compliance, social behavior and the development
>>> of young men."
>>> 
>>> Northwestern Head Men's Basketball Coach Bill Carmody
>>> 
>>> "We're proud of what we've accomplished these past four years, but we're
>>> disappointed in how this season finished. Expectations were high and they
>>> should continue to be.
>>> 
>>> "I want to be clear about our expectations: While we're in a better place
>>> today than we've ever been, it's not enough. We intend to compete for Big
>>> Ten championships and achieve NCAA tournament success.
>>> 
>>> "We receive tremendous support from the University, President Schapiro,
>>> Jim and the athletic department.
>>> 
>>> There is no ceiling on our program and there are no significant barriers
>>> holding us back. Next season already has begun and we can't wait to
>>> continue our work."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Weinbaum, Willie [mailto:Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 08:23 AM
>>> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>>> Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>>> 
>>> Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference
>>> Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
>>> and head men's basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a joint
>>> teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Thu Mar 22 19:05:41 2012
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 20:05:41 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D16A@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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And most of them had one fro UCLA.....
Mark

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Mar 22, 2012, at 9:28 AM, "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

> This was clearly a close call for Carmody.
> 
> I am happy that the university honored its contractual commitments.
> 
> I'm certain that when the university offered Carmody a contract extension they also set some expectations.  
> 
> Progress was made this year, but the team ultimately did not live up to its potential.  Carmody has to take responsibility for that.
> 
> It also appears that Carmody has demonstrated improvement in the other area of historical weakness - recruiting.
> 
> With this strong incoming class, Carmody is out of excuses.  Next year's team has to go to the dance or Carmody will be replaced.
> 
> In the "be careful for what you wish for" category, two sophmores (Evan Smotrycz) and one freshman are leaving UoM's bball team.  They want more playing time.  Freshman phenom Tre Burke is considering his NBA options.
> 
> Transfers appear to be an increasingly popular option for kids who don't crack the starting line-up with the traditional basketball power schools.  It seemed that virtually every mid major team at the dance had somebody who had transferred in from a "name" school.  
> 
> Jeff  
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
> Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 8:45 AM
> To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
> 
> 
> 
> He's on the hot seat, and he knows it?
> 
> Some alums will be happy, and others upset whichever way this plays out, but it sure sounds like BC will be around next year.
> 
> rsl
> 
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org <http://coachroy.org/> 
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 AM
> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
> 
> In advance of the teleconference, here are statements from both Phillips and Carmody:
> 
> Northwestern Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
> 
> "This week our department conducted a thorough, objective and comprehensive review of our basketball program, a process we follow at the conclusion of every season for all of our 19 sports. That has been, and will continue to be, my process.
> 
> "Bill Carmody is under contract to be our men's basketball coach, and has the full support of the athletic department and University. We had another solid season competitively, but let me be perfectly clear: we are not satisfied. We are, however, optimistic that our program will continue to get better on the court while always maintaining a standard of excellence in academic success, NCAA compliance, social behavior and the development of young men."
> 
> Northwestern Head Men's Basketball Coach Bill Carmody
> 
> "We're proud of what we've accomplished these past four years, but we're disappointed in how this season finished. Expectations were high and they should continue to be.
> 
> "I want to be clear about our expectations: While we're in a better place today than we've ever been, it's not enough. We intend to compete for Big Ten championships and achieve NCAA tournament success.
> 
> "We receive tremendous support from the University, President Schapiro, Jim and the athletic department.
> 
>  There is no ceiling on our program and there are no significant barriers holding us back. Next season already has begun and we can't wait to continue our work."
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Weinbaum, Willie [mailto:Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 08:23 AM
> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
> 
> Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips and head men's basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a joint teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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> _______________________________________________
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> 
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> 
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Mar 22 22:42:46 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 23:42:46 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
In-Reply-To: <9DB1FC17-FC9B-4374-BC65-FBC1700B4ED8@gmail.com>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144BDF@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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 <9DB1FC17-FC9B-4374-BC65-FBC1700B4ED8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007801cd08a7$03fb8bb0$0bf2a310$@com>

I'm pretty sure Phillips was trying to gauge how much respect the players had for BC and
the system when he talked with the team.

Anyway, all of the people who have been calling for a change can now watch and see if
adding a couple of big guys will help. The key is how fast they pick up the NU system, and
if those big guys can learn to shoot a couple of 3's now and then.

At list Sobo won't have the frosh crash, and there are a couple of new guys to share time
at point so he can work on his 3 point shot too.

rsl



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Ament
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:04 PM
To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying

Philips made a point of saying that he consulted with some of the players during his
review. I don't think the idea of playing for his job, which they won't be doing IMHO,
will put any more pressure on them than the constant make the Dance noise they hear and
read all season.

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Mar 22, 2012, at 12:13 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Jeff makes a very cogent point.  However, one downside that hasn't been discussed here
is the reaction of the team going forward.  Clearly, the twin burdens of our 74 year
drought and the expectations of a possible trip to The Dance (constant "bubble" talk
,etc.) contributed to our tight squad falling short against Minny in Indy--just as our
"monkey" has been a weight on the football team in bowl games.  However, the fb guys are
not playing for Fitz's job--but the hoopsters will certainly know that no Dance in 2013
likely means the exit door for Carmody.  That concerns me--a lot.
> 
> Paul Levinson
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Mar 22, 2012, at 10:00 AM, "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:
> 
>> just one additional thought on the subject.
>> The "basketball community" seems to hold Carmody in high regard and feels that he has
made great progress under adverse conditions.
>> 
>> This process which does, as Willie pointed out, recognize that how far the program has
come while at the same time setting clear and public goals for the next season, may work
to our benefit if those goals are NOT met next year.
>> 
>> More quality coaches might be interested in the job seeing that the University treated
Carmody with respect and gave him every opportunity to be successful.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
>> Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 9:44 AM
>> To: Weinbaum, Willie
>> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Worth noting: it's clear Carmody is not getting an extension out of 
>> this (his current deal runs through next season).  That is a clear 
>> message that he has to get it done now (since usually head coaches 
>> like to have at least another season on the end of their contracts 
>> for recruiting purposes - to prove they'll be around).
>> 
>> NU last fired a head men's basketball coach in 1997 (Ricky Byrdsong, 
>> who had 1 year left on his deal).  NU football hasn't fired a coach 
>> (with time remaining on the contract) in over 30 years (Venturi, I 
>> believe/assume - can't find much detail on it, though. Subsequently: 
>> Green left on his own, Peay's contract expired, Barnett left, and Walker passed).
>> 
>> I'm glad there will be a clear goal with consequences next season, 
>> although I still think it's taken way too long to get to that point.
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> --
>> Jonathan Hodges
>> Contributor, HailToPurple
>> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
>> Twitter: @hailtopurple
>> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 9:33 AM, Weinbaum, Willie
>> <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> I take away multiple messages:
>>> 
>>> --loyalty
>>> 
>>> --appreciation
>>> 
>>> --DISsatisfaction with the status quo and that all are on notice 
>>> that more of the same will not be acceptable
>>> 
>>> From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 09:28 AM
>>> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; Weinbaum, Willie; 
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>>> 
>>> This was clearly a close call for Carmody.
>>> 
>>> I am happy that the university honored its contractual commitments.
>>> 
>>> I'm certain that when the university offered Carmody a contract 
>>> extension they also set some expectations.
>>> 
>>> Progress was made this year, but the team ultimately did not live up 
>>> to its potential.  Carmody has to take responsibility for that.
>>> 
>>> It also appears that Carmody has demonstrated improvement in the 
>>> other area of historical weakness - recruiting.
>>> 
>>> With this strong incoming class, Carmody is out of excuses.  Next 
>>> year's team has to go to the dance or Carmody will be replaced.
>>> 
>>> In the "be careful for what you wish for" category, two sophmores 
>>> (Evan
>>> Smotrycz) and one freshman are leaving UoM's bball team.  They want 
>>> more playing time.  Freshman phenom Tre Burke is considering his NBA options.
>>> 
>>> Transfers appear to be an increasingly popular option for kids who 
>>> don't crack the starting line-up with the traditional basketball power schools.
>>> It seemed that virtually every mid major team at the dance had 
>>> somebody who had transferred in from a "name" school.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Roy S. Lamberton
>>> Sent: Thu 3/22/2012 8:45 AM
>>> To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>>> 
>>> 
>>> He's on the hot seat, and he knows it?
>>> 
>>> Some alums will be happy, and others upset whichever way this plays 
>>> out, but it sure sounds like BC will be around next year.
>>> 
>>> rsl
>>> 
>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any 
>>> organizations of which I am a member.
>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>>> Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random 
>>> Thoughts - http://coachroy.org <http://coachroy.org/> 
>>> <http://coachroy.org/>
>>> --------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" 
>>> Delaware American Legion Baseball Director Media Relations - Little 
>>> League Senior League Softball World Series
>>> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern 
>>> University - Speech 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher 
>>> Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports) 
>>> =================================================
>>> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, 
>>> intelligence and energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. 
>>> Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = If we 
>>> become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,' 
>>> We're Doomed!"
>>>                 -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
>>> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com 
>>> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 8:32 AM
>>> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
>>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>>> 
>>> In advance of the teleconference, here are statements from both 
>>> Phillips and Carmody:
>>> 
>>> Northwestern Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim Phillips
>>> 
>>> "This week our department conducted a thorough, objective and 
>>> comprehensive review of our basketball program, a process we follow 
>>> at the conclusion of every season for all of our 19 sports. That has 
>>> been, and will continue to be, my process.
>>> 
>>> "Bill Carmody is under contract to be our men's basketball coach, 
>>> and has the full support of the athletic department and University. 
>>> We had another solid season competitively, but let me be perfectly 
>>> clear: we are not satisfied. We are, however, optimistic that our 
>>> program will continue to get better on the court while always 
>>> maintaining a standard of excellence in academic success, NCAA 
>>> compliance, social behavior and the development of young men."
>>> 
>>> Northwestern Head Men's Basketball Coach Bill Carmody
>>> 
>>> "We're proud of what we've accomplished these past four years, but 
>>> we're disappointed in how this season finished. Expectations were 
>>> high and they should continue to be.
>>> 
>>> "I want to be clear about our expectations: While we're in a better 
>>> place today than we've ever been, it's not enough. We intend to 
>>> compete for Big Ten championships and achieve NCAA tournament success.
>>> 
>>> "We receive tremendous support from the University, President 
>>> Schapiro, Jim and the athletic department.
>>> 
>>> There is no ceiling on our program and there are no significant 
>>> barriers holding us back. Next season already has begun and we can't 
>>> wait to continue our work."
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Weinbaum, Willie [mailto:Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 08:23 AM
>>> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>>> Subject: [NU Sports] BC apparently staying
>>> 
>>> Subject: MEDIA ADVISORY: Northwestern basketball teleconference 
>>> Northwestern University Director of Athletics and Recreation Jim 
>>> Phillips and head men's basketball coach Bill Carmody will hold a 
>>> joint teleconference at 10 a.m. Central time this morning (Thursday).
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> 
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Mar 24 12:58:56 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 12:58:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Nebraska hires Miles, Illinois still looking
Message-ID: <20120324175857.13C60657BB@romaine.tssi.com>

Nebraska has hired Tim Miles as their new men's basketball coach.
Miles was 71-88 in five years at Colorado State, with a 55-41 record
over the past three seasons, including a 20-12 record and an NCAA
tournament appearance in 2011-12.

Illinois, having been turned down by VCU coach Shaka Smart and
Tennessee coach Cuonzo Martin, is said to be focusing on Brad Stevens,
currently at Butler.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Mar 26 14:43:59 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 15:43:59 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Why ya gotta love Fitz
Message-ID: <00ad01cd0b88$cade0c60$609a2520$@com>

http://www.nusports.com/blog/2012/03/blog-back-from-break.html

Red down to Digression for a flashback...

(this is suggestive of Fitz' comments in 2 paragraphs of quote)
"We might lose a recruit because of that. But I'm not going to kiss their hind parts, I'm
not going to promise them things, I'm going to tell them the truth."

And that is how you come to accept the idea of Expect Victory.

rsl

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those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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--------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar 29 20:35:05 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:35:05 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
Message-ID: <8AA76B21-55FF-41DB-BACD-FC43AF2D5DD8@aol.com>

Shurna is in the Finals right now on ESPN against Juan Fernandez of Temple.  Fernandez won First Round and Johnny won Semis with a great score of 20.  He hasn't stop smiling, and Brad Nussler loves him.

Paul Levinson

Sent from my iPad

From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar 29 20:40:49 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:40:49 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna Wins!!
Message-ID: <DBFCE9F2-C9BD-4A23-8D6A-F89EE64DA7AF@aol.com>

Amazing clutch performance.  'Cats finally win in NCAA's.

Sent from my iPad


From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar 29 20:43:16 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:43:16 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna Wins!!
In-Reply-To: <DBFCE9F2-C9BD-4A23-8D6A-F89EE64DA7AF@aol.com>
References: <DBFCE9F2-C9BD-4A23-8D6A-F89EE64DA7AF@aol.com>
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Brad Nussler:  "Nortwestern guys don't talk trash." 

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:40 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Amazing clutch performance.  'Cats finally win in NCAA's.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar 29 21:10:36 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:10:36 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
In-Reply-To: <8AA76B21-55FF-41DB-BACD-FC43AF2D5DD8@aol.com>
References: <8AA76B21-55FF-41DB-BACD-FC43AF2D5DD8@aol.com>
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OK gang!  Shurna now shoots against Distaff champ Ashley Corral of USC.  Man vs. woman.  Rose Bowl payback time.

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:35 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Shurna is in the Finals right now on ESPN against Juan Fernandez of Temple.  Fernandez won First Round and Johnny won Semis with a great score of 20.  He hasn't stop smiling, and Brad Nussler loves him.
> 
> Paul Levinson
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar 29 21:18:02 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:18:02 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
In-Reply-To: <7F327669-850B-4885-83F3-5D6173171054@aol.com>
References: <8AA76B21-55FF-41DB-BACD-FC43AF2D5DD8@aol.com>
 <7F327669-850B-4885-83F3-5D6173171054@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1C9CEDD0-6DE6-4425-835E-F88A9611E42A@aol.com>

Shurna wins again with 24--an incredible score.  He hit 17 of his first 20 shots.  Ridiculous!  

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 29, 2012, at 10:10 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> OK gang!  Shurna now shoots against Distaff champ Ashley Corral of USC.  Man vs. woman.  Rose Bowl payback time.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:35 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Shurna is in the Finals right now on ESPN against Juan Fernandez of Temple.  Fernandez won First Round and Johnny won Semis with a great score of 20.  He hasn't stop smiling, and Brad Nussler loves him.
>> 
>> Paul Levinson
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 21:28:27 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 19:28:27 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
In-Reply-To: <1C9CEDD0-6DE6-4425-835E-F88A9611E42A@aol.com>
References: <8AA76B21-55FF-41DB-BACD-FC43AF2D5DD8@aol.com>
 <7F327669-850B-4885-83F3-5D6173171054@aol.com>
 <1C9CEDD0-6DE6-4425-835E-F88A9611E42A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAHChqvip_NpgBUkxnVJ4ArEcMNfKx45eskWLQCpw1wJ0UvHZ5A@mail.gmail.com>

Probably making him even more attractive to the NBA. He could be a
Paxson-brother-ish swingman, a nice role-player complement to your Kobes
and Roses, who will drive the lane, draw a crowd and then dish off for the
wide-open 3, like MJ used to do.

On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:18 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Shurna wins again with 24--an incredible score.  He hit 17 of his first 20
> shots.  Ridiculous!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 29, 2012, at 10:10 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
>
> > OK gang!  Shurna now shoots against Distaff champ Ashley Corral of USC.
>  Man vs. woman.  Rose Bowl payback time.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:35 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
> >
> >> Shurna is in the Finals right now on ESPN against Juan Fernandez of
> Temple.  Fernandez won First Round and Johnny won Semis with a great score
> of 20.  He hasn't stop smiling, and Brad Nussler loves him.
> >>
> >> Paul Levinson
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Mar 29 21:41:52 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:41:52 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvip_NpgBUkxnVJ4ArEcMNfKx45eskWLQCpw1wJ0UvHZ5A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8AA76B21-55FF-41DB-BACD-FC43AF2D5DD8@aol.com>
 <7F327669-850B-4885-83F3-5D6173171054@aol.com>
 <1C9CEDD0-6DE6-4425-835E-F88A9611E42A@aol.com>
 <CAHChqvip_NpgBUkxnVJ4ArEcMNfKx45eskWLQCpw1wJ0UvHZ5A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9664F425-43E6-44CD-B507-E8D8F0FB0CC1@aol.com>

He showed incredible stamina tonight.  The"baby-faced assassin still looks too young and too thin for the NBA, but somebody will give him a shot--because of his shot.  

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 29, 2012, at 10:28 PM, "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Probably making him even more attractive to the NBA. He could be a
> Paxson-brother-ish swingman, a nice role-player complement to your Kobes
> and Roses, who will drive the lane, draw a crowd and then dish off for the
> wide-open 3, like MJ used to do.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:18 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> Shurna wins again with 24--an incredible score.  He hit 17 of his first 20
>> shots.  Ridiculous!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 10:10 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>>> OK gang!  Shurna now shoots against Distaff champ Ashley Corral of USC.
>> Man vs. woman.  Rose Bowl payback time.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:35 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Shurna is in the Finals right now on ESPN against Juan Fernandez of
>> Temple.  Fernandez won First Round and Johnny won Semis with a great score
>> of 20.  He hasn't stop smiling, and Brad Nussler loves him.
>>>> 
>>>> Paul Levinson
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nwu-sports site list
>>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Mar 29 21:53:16 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:53:16 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
In-Reply-To: <9664F425-43E6-44CD-B507-E8D8F0FB0CC1@aol.com>
References: <8AA76B21-55FF-41DB-BACD-FC43AF2D5DD8@aol.com>
 <7F327669-850B-4885-83F3-5D6173171054@aol.com>
 <1C9CEDD0-6DE6-4425-835E-F88A9611E42A@aol.com>
 <CAHChqvip_NpgBUkxnVJ4ArEcMNfKx45eskWLQCpw1wJ0UvHZ5A@mail.gmail.com>
 <9664F425-43E6-44CD-B507-E8D8F0FB0CC1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C1B7183A@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Good news for those of us who missed it - - according to the channel guide, the three-point contest is to reair @ 1a E on ESPN2 and a couple of times, again, on Sunday, on ESPN & ESPN2.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 10:42 PM
To: Scott Zeller, M.D.
Cc: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest

He showed incredible stamina tonight.  The"baby-faced assassin still looks too young and too thin for the NBA, but somebody will give him a shot--because of his shot.  

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 29, 2012, at 10:28 PM, "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Probably making him even more attractive to the NBA. He could be a 
> Paxson-brother-ish swingman, a nice role-player complement to your 
> Kobes and Roses, who will drive the lane, draw a crowd and then dish 
> off for the wide-open 3, like MJ used to do.
> 
> On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 7:18 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> Shurna wins again with 24--an incredible score.  He hit 17 of his 
>> first 20 shots.  Ridiculous!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 10:10 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
>> 
>>> OK gang!  Shurna now shoots against Distaff champ Ashley Corral of USC.
>> Man vs. woman.  Rose Bowl payback time.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:35 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Shurna is in the Finals right now on ESPN against Juan Fernandez of
>> Temple.  Fernandez won First Round and Johnny won Semis with a great 
>> score of 20.  He hasn't stop smiling, and Brad Nussler loves him.
>>>> 
>>>> Paul Levinson
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nwu-sports site list
>>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>> 
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Mar 30 10:23:00 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:23:00 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NU connection in this column about Augusta National
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301C100D28C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>


http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/brennan/story/2012-03-28/brennan-augusta-national/53841184/1


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 30 15:35:47 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 13:35:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
In-Reply-To: <9664F425-43E6-44CD-B507-E8D8F0FB0CC1@aol.com>
References: <8AA76B21-55FF-41DB-BACD-FC43AF2D5DD8@aol.com>
 <7F327669-850B-4885-83F3-5D6173171054@aol.com>
 <1C9CEDD0-6DE6-4425-835E-F88A9611E42A@aol.com>
 <CAHChqvip_NpgBUkxnVJ4ArEcMNfKx45eskWLQCpw1wJ0UvHZ5A@mail.gmail.com>
 <9664F425-43E6-44CD-B507-E8D8F0FB0CC1@aol.com>
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Thanks for the head's-up on the re-airs. I was gone last night, but got home in time to set the recorder for the midnight re-air last night, so am hoping I'll be able to watch it tonight.?

I really thought Shurna had a great chance at winning this, as he seemed well-suited to the event: he's comfortable shooting from all around the arc; he's got that quick, easy, consistent release; and with his height and long arms, he gets a high release point without having to exert as much energy jumping as some shorter players. Sounds like he really came through in the clutch.

Regarding his NBA prospects, I actually think he has a chance to be a lot more versatile offensively than someone like Paxson. He's much taller with much better hops, and has a really strong ability to finish around the rim. I think the big question mark for Shurna will be whether he can hang in there defensively. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him have a nice NBA career.

Tom

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Mar 30 16:45:12 2012
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 17:45:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] NU connection in this column about Augusta National
Message-ID: <2defe.42a05270.3ca78367@aol.com>

That is one connection, I am another. I am friends with Martha Burk and  
happened to have a list of August members which I sent Martha, so she could  
contact the public companies with nondiscrimination policies. She published 
it  in USA today a couple days later. Talk about a lot of PO'ed fat  cats.

From shawn.folkes at comcast.net  Fri Mar 30 18:59:00 2012
From: shawn.folkes at comcast.net (shawn.folkes at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 23:59:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
In-Reply-To: <1333139747.89057.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2034695873.248493.1333151940728.JavaMail.root@sz0183a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



H ey folks - Here's a link to a video of Shurna's win.? Enjoy! 



http://www.northwesternhighlights.com/2012/03/john-shurna-2012-college-3-point.html 


Shawn 


----- Original Message -----


From: "Tom Maycock" <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> 
To: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com 
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 3:35:47 PM 
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest 

Thanks for the head's-up on the re-airs. I was gone last night, but got home in time to set the recorder for the midnight re-air last night, so am hoping I'll be able to watch it tonight.? 

I really thought Shurna had a great chance at winning this, as he seemed well-suited to the event: he's comfortable shooting from all around the arc; he's got that quick, easy, consistent release; and with his height and long arms, he gets a high release point without having to exert as much energy jumping as some shorter players. Sounds like he really came through in the clutch. 

Regarding his NBA prospects, I actually think he has a chance to be a lot more versatile offensively than someone like Paxson. He's much taller with much better hops, and has a really strong ability to finish around the rim. I think the big question mark for Shurna will be whether he can hang in there defensively. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him have a nice NBA career. 

Tom 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Mar 31 07:58:50 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 08:58:50 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
References: <2034695873.248493.1333151940728.JavaMail.root@sz0183a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E97DF42157984786B7C38B9E0BC92F76@dennismachine>

> H ey folks - Here's a link to a video of Shurna's win. Enjoy!
>
>
>
> http://www.northwesternhighlights.com/2012/03/john-shurna-2012-college-3-point.html

It's also a private video that requires a password.  Care to share?


From cyril at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sat Mar 31 11:55:40 2012
From: cyril at alumni.northwestern.edu (Cyril S. Ku)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:55:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
In-Reply-To: <E97DF42157984786B7C38B9E0BC92F76@dennismachine>
References: <2034695873.248493.1333151940728.JavaMail.root@sz0183a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
 <E97DF42157984786B7C38B9E0BC92F76@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <1333212940.88309.YahooMailNeo@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

You can see portion of the contest from the NU official site:
http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/033012aaa.html
?
Cyril Ku
? 

________________________________
 From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: shawn.folkes at comcast.net; Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> 
Cc: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
  
> H ey folks - Here's a link to a video of Shurna's win. Enjoy!
>
>
>
> http://www.northwesternhighlights.com/2012/03/john-shurna-2012-college-3-point.html

It's also a private video that requires a password.? Care to share?

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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Mar 31 12:03:57 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 10:03:57 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
In-Reply-To: <E97DF42157984786B7C38B9E0BC92F76@dennismachine>
References: <2034695873.248493.1333151940728.JavaMail.root@sz0183a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
 <E97DF42157984786B7C38B9E0BC92F76@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <CAHChqvhQt75aGthg0DiD1xn8CWhaPAnJjTdUJx8vYSs=ag77kw@mail.gmail.com>

Right below the video screen they give the password. If it is not turning
up on your computer,  Use password "shurna3pointchamp"

On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

> H ey folks - Here's a link to a video of Shurna's win. Enjoy!
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.**northwesternhighlights.com/**2012/03/john-shurna-2012-**
>> college-3-point.html<http://www.northwesternhighlights.com/2012/03/john-shurna-2012-college-3-point.html>
>>
>
> It's also a private video that requires a password.  Care to share?
>
>
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From snelson1361 at aol.com  Sat Mar 31 12:09:48 2012
From: snelson1361 at aol.com (snelson1361 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 17:09:48 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
In-Reply-To: <1333212940.88309.YahooMailNeo@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <2034695873.248493.1333151940728.JavaMail.root@sz0183a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
 <E97DF42157984786B7C38B9E0BC92F76@dennismachine>
 <1333212940.88309.YahooMailNeo@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1095203311-1333213794-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1816989201-@b13.c21.bise6.blackberry>

Hi Everyone - 

ESPN2 is about to replay the 3-point contest today(Saturday) at 1:30 EDT/12:30 Central. 

Happy Final Four weekend,
Steve
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Cyril S. Ku" <cyril at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:55:40 
To: Dennis W. Brandt<tbng at comcast.net>; shawn.folkes at comcast.net<shawn.folkes at comcast.net>; Tom Maycock<tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
Reply-To: "Cyril S. Ku" <cyril at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Cc: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com<nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest

You can see portion of the contest from the NU official site:
http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/033012aaa.html
?
Cyril Ku
? 

________________________________
 From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: shawn.folkes at comcast.net; Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> 
Cc: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com 
Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
  
> H ey folks - Here's a link to a video of Shurna's win. Enjoy!
>
>
>
> http://www.northwesternhighlights.com/2012/03/john-shurna-2012-college-3-point.html

It's also a private video that requires a password.? Care to share?

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Mar 31 12:54:17 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 13:54:17 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna in All Star Game Noe
In-Reply-To: <1095203311-1333213794-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1816989201-@b13.c21.bise6.blackberry>
References: <2034695873.248493.1333151940728.JavaMail.root@sz0183a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
 <E97DF42157984786B7C38B9E0BC92F76@dennismachine>
 <1333212940.88309.YahooMailNeo@web161302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <1095203311-1333213794-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1816989201-@b13.c21.bise6.blackberry>
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Just turned on Reese's College All Star Game from New Orleans.  Ism pretty sure Shurna is playing in it, although he is not in at the moment.  First half is near
Y over.

Paul
Sent from my iPad

On Mar 31, 2012, at 1:09 PM, snelson1361 at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Everyone - 
> 
> ESPN2 is about to replay the 3-point contest today(Saturday) at 1:30 EDT/12:30 Central. 
> 
> Happy Final Four weekend,
> Steve
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Cyril S. Ku" <cyril at alumni.northwestern.edu>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:55:40 
> To: Dennis W. Brandt<tbng at comcast.net>; shawn.folkes at comcast.net<shawn.folkes at comcast.net>; Tom Maycock<tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: "Cyril S. Ku" <cyril at alumni.northwestern.edu>
> Cc: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com<nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
> 
> You can see portion of the contest from the NU official site:
> http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/033012aaa.html
>  
> Cyril Ku
>   
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
> To: shawn.folkes at comcast.net; Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> 
> Cc: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com 
> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:58 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
> 
>> H ey folks - Here's a link to a video of Shurna's win. Enjoy!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.northwesternhighlights.com/2012/03/john-shurna-2012-college-3-point.html
> 
> It's also a private video that requires a password.  Care to share?
> 
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Mar 31 13:02:38 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:02:38 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna in All Star Game Now
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Sorry for all the typing errors and for this omission--game is being broadcast on TruTV.  

Happy Final Four Day--one of the holiest days on the sports calendar.

By the way, I am rooting for tOSU tonight--along with the 'Ville over the Kentucky Rent-A-Cats.

They just announced that Shurna has 9 points at the half, and he is one of leading scorers.  Go 'Cats!

Paul

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 31, 2012, at 1:54 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> 
> Just turned on Reese's College All Star Game from New Orleans.  Ism pretty sure Shurna is playing in it, although he is not in at the moment.  First half is near
> Y over.
> 
> Paul
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Mar 31, 2012, at 1:09 PM, snelson1361 at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Hi Everyone - 
>> 
>> ESPN2 is about to replay the 3-point contest today(Saturday) at 1:30 EDT/12:30 Central. 
>> 
>> Happy Final Four weekend,
>> Steve
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Cyril S. Ku" <cyril at alumni.northwestern.edu>
>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>> Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 09:55:40 
>> To: Dennis W. Brandt<tbng at comcast.net>; shawn.folkes at comcast.net<shawn.folkes at comcast.net>; Tom Maycock<tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
>> Reply-To: "Cyril S. Ku" <cyril at alumni.northwestern.edu>
>> Cc: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com<nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
>> 
>> You can see portion of the contest from the NU official site:
>> http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/033012aaa.html
>> 
>> Cyril Ku
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
>> To: shawn.folkes at comcast.net; Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> 
>> Cc: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com 
>> Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2012 8:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 3-Point Contest
>> 
>>> H ey folks - Here's a link to a video of Shurna's win. Enjoy!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.northwesternhighlights.com/2012/03/john-shurna-2012-college-3-point.html
>> 
>> It's also a private video that requires a password.  Care to share?
>> 
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