[NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

[Beamsley, Jeff]

I think you have to go at this, as some on this list have suggested,
with an eye toward what is best for NU (and by implication the BT).

So whatever system maximizes revenue and to a lesser extent recognition
for NU and the BT is the one that works for me.

Here are the three general options:

1. A "win on the field" playoff that would take the top N teams and play
them down to one.
2. Some version of the current system where you have a mix of automatic
bids from Conference Champs and high ranking BCS teams.
3. Free market (or Pre-BCS) where the bowls have conference tie-ins and
a pecking order to determine post season play - but no guarantee that #1
would play #2.  Sort out rankings at the end of the year as it had been
done prior to BCS.

So which system would generate the most money for the BT and potentially
be best for NU?  

The projected bowl revenue this year was approximately $45M but out of
that they pay roughly $14M to the teams who are competing.  That is up
significantly from pre BCS days.

The SEC and the BT are generally 1-2 every year in bowl revenue, so the
current system is performing well for both leagues.

I suspect that these revenues would be less if we returned to a free
market system if only because the NC game generates a lot of money.

I would suggest that a playoff system that consumes some part of the
Bowl schedule and reduces the number of BT teams that can participate
would probably end up being a wash for the BT.  Assuming that the same
BCS-type revenue sharing is retained, the BT will get more money for
less teams.  From a recognition point of view, however, it might be bad
for NU because it could be one of those teams from time to time who are
left out because of a 6-6 record.

I also don't think that a playoff system improves NU's chances to play
in a NC game.  As it stands now, NU has as good a chance as any other BT
team to be in the BCS championship game.  A playoff system doesn't
particularly improve those chances.

Jeff






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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

While some of you may call me crazy for asking, but to those out there
advocating a football playoff what would suggest if an Ivy League school
was rated in the top 4 (or 8) at the end of the season since I believe
they self are self banned from playing in the post season ?
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:21:09 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

I have always enjoyed these discussions on who is # 1 which occur
without a playoff system. Not that the NCAA tournament guarantees us the
best with its system, but it does generate the best team under the given
rules (ie who prepares their squad the best for an end of the season 3
week run). The only difference in football is there are few rules to go
by. Only that the regular season counts a lot, with later being
generally more valued than earlier and that the BCS championship game
winner will be declared #1 by at least one poll.

Thus the lack of a playoff system not only keeps the chat boards
probably busier than with one, but can result in more than one team
legitimately claiming a first spot (although in my mind--not this year).
My only disappointment this year (besides NU's bowl loss!) is that we
didn't have 3 undefeated teams going into the bowls again and arguing
about who got robbed 

Harry 


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From: Mike Nolan
To: Harry
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Cc: Michael Vance
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
Sent: Jan 10, 2012 8:05 AM

> SJT is more knowledgeable and certainly much more passionate about
college =
> football than I will ever be .  But anyone waking up this morning and
think=
> ing that the BCS system is flawed based on the evidence of the 2011
season =
> will never be happy with the outcome.  Does anyone not think that the
S.E.C=
> . was not the best conference ?  Does anyone not believe that based on
the =
> regular and post season (Bowls plus Championship game)  that the 2 top
team=
> s weren't Bama and LSU ,whichever order you desire ?   =

All we really know is that in 8 quarters plus overtime, LSU was able to
put up only 3 field goals against Alabama.  How another top 10 team
like Okie State, Stanford, Oregon or even bowl-flop Wisconsin would 
have done is an unanswered question.  How high powered offenses like 
Boise State and West Virginia would have done is also an unanswered 
question.  West Virgina scored almost as many points against LSU as 
'Bama did, in half the time.  

Yeah, they're probably the two best defenses in the country
(ie, the best that money can buy), I'm not nearly as convinced 
they were (or are) the best two overall teams.

Those thrilling games by 'Bama against Kent State, North Texas,
Georgia Southern (that's not a proper name for a school, that's 
a railroad!) should earn a derisive comment from Gordon Gee, but 
I guess he's off getting another tattoo.  

Do I think a playoff is a better answer?  Not really, but I think
we'll get one within the next 6-8 years, and it won't quell
the complaints, just change who's complaining and what about.
--
Mike Nolan


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