From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan  1 08:41:03 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 09:41:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
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<That backup QB/WR that you seem to want to discount ended up gaining more 
yards on the ground this year than our top two rushers in 2009 combined. 
That didn't happen by accident and as far as I can see <represents a welcome 
improvement in our running game.

I discount no one's skills, least of all Colter's - as a runner that is.  I 
simply make the 100% obvious point that we have not had a good running back 
since Tyrell Sutton graduated.  We are desperately in need of an Autry, an 
Anderson, a Herron, or a Sutton.  (Not as much as a Fitz, a Castillo, a 
Bentley, a Cofield, a McManis, a Roach, a Wooten, etc. on defense, but a 
good RB would be welcom.)  That absence and a weak offensive line are the 
reasons our quarterbacks ate so much grass yesterday and probably need hours 
in the whirlpool today.

Brandt:  The sky is a beautiful blue on a cloudless day.
Beamsley: No, it's an ugly shade of red!

That's what your argument boils down to. 


From AJWDBW at aol.com  Sun Jan  1 09:25:29 2012
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 10:25:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
Message-ID: <1b6c.36ba03be.3c31d4e8@aol.com>

I imagine there are quite a few of us still hanging around. Maybe we can  
adopt a new slogan. "Win one for the geezers."
 
In a message dated 12/31/2011 8:57:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
neonrye at aol.com writes:

Hang in  there Don.  I hope they do it for  you.

From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan  1 09:33:44 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 10:33:44 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
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You got me by nineteen years, Don, but after hearing how we lost two 
four-star recruits for .2 of a grade point average, I'm not sanguine about 
seeing a great Northwestern football team even by the time I reach your age. 


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Jan  1 10:05:58 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 11:05:58 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
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Perspective of this 51-year-old alum with "purple-colored glasses":

The Bowl futility streak is infinitely easier to swallow than NU's still-held major college record for consecutive losses ("accomplished" during my era), when achieving a .500 season seemed only slightly less far-fetched than reaching a Bowl game (and a future in the Big Ten seemed a shaky proposition).  Getting to as many Bowl games as NU has in recent years is a source of pride, as are the character and example of the staff and players. 

This program seems to be on the right track to be competitive just about every year and a contender for the league title some years...and, yes, a Bowl winner sometime soon.  

I choose to focus on being grateful for the transformation from hopeless perennial doormat to a consistent source of inspiration, thrills and fun.  The heart, efforts and community service activities of seniors like Persa have been very gratifying.  And as I watched Saturday's game on TV, I thought NU used just the right touch in confronting, chuckling at and rallying around the team's Bowl baggage with the "63 Monkey."

Most of all, I found it very touching and appropriate that NU asked to wear helmet decals honoring the memory of the fallen Aggie player, who was killed in an accident after performing a community service.  That commemoration by the Cats and its message will stay with me much more than anything else about the game, Bowl losing streak notwithstanding.  

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I imagine there are quite a few of us still hanging around. Maybe we can
adopt a new slogan. "Win one for the geezers."

In a message dated 12/31/2011 8:57:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,
neonrye at aol.com writes:

Hang in  there Don.  I hope they do it for  you.
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 11:22:42 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 09:22:42 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
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I'm with Mr. Weinbaum. 3-40-1 in my four years in Evanston. The
program now is on the right track. It's a bummer that this year's
defense couldn't match up with the firepower of this year's offense
(at least as the statistics showed our offense to be) and it's a
bummer that our offensive line was at times so godawful. But these are
all fixable problems. Big picture, every young man graduates, the team
GPA is above 3 and they're not taking rocks for jocks. Reminder: Penn
State and, to a lesser degree, Ohio State. We are always, as Jim
Phillips reminds us, one dumb decision by a 19-year-old -- or someone
-- from disaster. But we are doing it the right way at Northwestern.
And, mostly, we are winning.



On Jan 1, 2012, at 8:07 AM, "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> wrote:

> Perspective of this 51-year-old alum with "purple-colored glasses":
>
> The Bowl futility streak is infinitely easier to swallow than NU's still-held major college record for consecutive losses ("accomplished" during my era), when achieving a .500 season seemed only slightly less far-fetched than reaching a Bowl game (and a future in the Big Ten seemed a shaky proposition).  Getting to as many Bowl games as NU has in recent years is a source of pride, as are the character and example of the staff and players.
>
> This program seems to be on the right track to be competitive just about every year and a contender for the league title some years...and, yes, a Bowl winner sometime soon.
>
> I choose to focus on being grateful for the transformation from hopeless perennial doormat to a consistent source of inspiration, thrills and fun.  The heart, efforts and community service activities of seniors like Persa have been very gratifying.  And as I watched Saturday's game on TV, I thought NU used just the right touch in confronting, chuckling at and rallying around the team's Bowl baggage with the "63 Monkey."
>
> Most of all, I found it very touching and appropriate that NU asked to wear helmet decals honoring the memory of the fallen Aggie player, who was killed in an accident after performing a community service.  That commemoration by the Cats and its message will stay with me much more than anything else about the game, Bowl losing streak notwithstanding.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 10:25 AM
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> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
>
> I imagine there are quite a few of us still hanging around. Maybe we can
> adopt a new slogan. "Win one for the geezers."
>
> In a message dated 12/31/2011 8:57:08 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> neonrye at aol.com writes:
>
> Hang in  there Don.  I hope they do it for  you.
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 12:55:21 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 10:55:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
Message-ID: <1325444121.4072.YahooMailNeo@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I concur with those who say it is delightful to enjoy a competitive team, one that never quits. As I said to my disconsolate NU-watching buddy during the game Saturday, "At least we're never boring., Never dull watching NU." Having watched my share of massacres in the 1980's, the idea of four straight bowl games is remarkable in itself.

I do not concur with those who say NU needs to lower its standards for 4-star recruits. Either they make it or they don't and that is an admission-office decision, period. And that is as it should be. Stanford has lower standards for studs? Shame on Stanford.


However, four elements of frustration for me.

One, NU is SOOOOO close. Look, lose 54-14 to Texas A&M and well, fine, they were a lot better. But NU was ONE stop or ONE big play from winning. And that has been the case the last 4 bowls though of course the two OT losses were sheer agony.? ONE play away from ending the bowl streak .... AUGH. I would almost say I'd rather lose 66-17 or so but I was at that debacle and actually, no, I wouldn't. But so close ... aren't we due for a break from the sporting gods?


Two,? watching the Sun Bowl, or the Pinstripe Bowl, I know NU could have -- probably would have -- beaten UCLA and Iowa State. NU needs a matchup like that. I appreciate what Delany and Phillips do to move "up" the bowl ladder, but maybe NU's best hope to win would come in a year where the BT gets just one BCS spot to even out the bowl matchups a little. I do believe the bowl streak hurts recruiting and the impression of NU as a competitive program.

Three, why does NU dig holes in every bowl? Why do the 'Cats fall behind badly at the start and have to scramble back? How can they not be ready to play in a bowl game? 


Four, the constant drumbeat of allowing 3rd down conversions hurts my head. The defense on 3rd downs needs to either a) get a pass rush on or b) cover the receivers tightly. NU does neither. This is a recipe for disaster. I'd trade getting beaten deep once or twice (which happens anyway) for some sacks and hurries that could create turnovers.

Brad Wilson










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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Jan  1 13:04:29 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 14:04:29 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
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au contraire mon frere

I share your belief that sky is blue.

I also believe that the glass is half full and that man is basically good.

I also believe facts are an important component for any reasonable discussion between thoughtful people.

The facts, whether you like them or not, are that our running game has improved (in effeciency and total yards) over the past three years led by Persa last year and Colter this year. I never suggested that fact alone made us a better team. It is just one data point among many.

As I said at the start of this year, this season depended on whether Dan Persa returned to 2010 form. Even though he probably worked harder at it than any other human on the planet, it didn't happen.  Between his achilles and other injuries, he wasn't able to start the season, and he never regained the 2010 mobility that made him a dangerous QB to blitz.  We had a 6-7 season and a consecutive bowl game losing streak that we now share with ND. 

I also agree with you that Autry, Anderson, Herron, and Sutton were great backs. Heck Otto Graham was a great back too. If any of those guys were on the field in their prime in 2011, I agree it would have made a difference. But wishes aren't horses.

But lets compare Kain Colter's Sophomore season with the Sophmore seasons of each of these guys anyway and see how he ranks.

1994 - Darnell Autry
          556 rushing - 4.6 yards/attempt
          83 receiving - 11.9 yards/reception 
          Team record - 3-7-1

1998 - Damien Anderson
          537 rushing - 3.3 yards/attempt
          79 receiving - 7.9 yards/reception 
          Team record - 3-9

2002 - Noah Herron
          365 rushing - 5.5 yards/attempt
          184 receiving - 12.3 yards/reception
          Team record - 3-9

2006 - Tyrell Sutton
          1000 rushing - 5.3 yards/attempt
           261 receiving - 6.5 yards/reception
           Team record - 4-8

1941 - Otto Graham
          359 rushing - 3.0 yards/attempt 
          0 receiving
          Team record - 5-3 Ranked 11th in the year-end AP

2011 - Kain Coulter
          654 rushing - 4.8 yards/attempt
          466 receiving - 10.8 yards/receiption 
          Team record - 6-7 Lost to Texas A&M in the Meineke Car Care Bowl

When you look at the facts, the only player on your list who had a better Sophmore season than Kain Colter was Sutton. It turned out to be Sutton's career season, and the team that year still won only 4 games.  Sutton didn't throw any passes.

It's hard to say what the future will hold for Colter, but clearly there is huge potential.  If he stays healthy and motivated, Colter could easily join the pantheon of great NU players. 

We were all holding our breathe to see what the Sophomore run-mostly Persa (208 yrd/3.4 per attempt) would turn into when he became the starting QB. Colter beat Persa in efficiency rating this year and was significantly better than Persa's Sophmore year.  If the NU coaches can help Colter mature in the same way that Persa did, 2012 will be a good year to be a Northwestern Wildcat football fan regardless of the color of the sky.

Jeff





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From: Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng at comcast.net]
Sent: Sun 1/1/2012 9:41 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Scott Zeller, M.D.; NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak



<That backup QB/WR that you seem to want to discount ended up gaining more
yards on the ground this year than our top two rushers in 2009 combined.
That didn't happen by accident and as far as I can see <represents a welcome
improvement in our running game.

I discount no one's skills, least of all Colter's - as a runner that is.  I
simply make the 100% obvious point that we have not had a good running back
since Tyrell Sutton graduated.  We are desperately in need of an Autry, an
Anderson, a Herron, or a Sutton.  (Not as much as a Fitz, a Castillo, a
Bentley, a Cofield, a McManis, a Roach, a Wooten, etc. on defense, but a
good RB would be welcom.)  That absence and a weak offensive line are the
reasons our quarterbacks ate so much grass yesterday and probably need hours
in the whirlpool today.

Brandt:  The sky is a beautiful blue on a cloudless day.
Beamsley: No, it's an ugly shade of red!

That's what your argument boils down to.




From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Jan  1 14:59:06 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 15:59:06 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
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It will be interesting to see how the reported changes in Stanford admissions standards affects the off-field performance of the players.  It can become slippery slope when institutions begin to compromise their values in return for the promise of better on field performance.
 
I agree that it is maddening to watch NU come so close. 
 
As Mike mentioned, NU isn't the only program to go through this.  Nebraska made a habit of grinding their opponents to dust during the regular season.  Their reward was to travel to some holiday location only to look slow and stupid against some wicked-fast warm-weather team.  They slowly transformed into a speed program, got more creative play calling (fumblerooskie), and eventually learned how to win in the post season.
 
The only solution that I can think of is that we continue to believe in the program and make progress every year.
 
Injuries clearly hurt us this year with Persa being the first and most important.  Losing Mabin, however, probably cost us this bowl win.  Without him, our secondary was quickly exposed and just couldn't hold up in one-on-one matchups.  That made it harder for us to blitz, and our front four just couldn't consistently get to the QB on their own.
 
On the flip side, we became a pretty predictable offense, particularly after we got down a couple of scores.  Persa was going to pass and Colter was going to run.  They were able to take away our bread and butter throws to the outside for short yardage and the blitz kept us from making any longer throws.  I agree with others that the two QB scheme didn't help us much, but I suspect that Persa was more gimpy than perhaps anyone was willing to admit.  I also agree that both the offense and defense lost their poise at various points in the game and just seemed overwhelmed by A&M speed.
 
I think that next year NU will raise some Kain, make a run at the BT title, and win our first bowl game.
 
Jeff
 
 

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Brad Wilson
Sent: Sun 1/1/2012 1:55 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations



I concur with those who say it is delightful to enjoy a competitive team, one that never quits. As I said to my disconsolate NU-watching buddy during the game Saturday, "At least we're never boring., Never dull watching NU." Having watched my share of massacres in the 1980's, the idea of four straight bowl games is remarkable in itself.

I do not concur with those who say NU needs to lower its standards for 4-star recruits. Either they make it or they don't and that is an admission-office decision, period. And that is as it should be. Stanford has lower standards for studs? Shame on Stanford.


However, four elements of frustration for me.

One, NU is SOOOOO close. Look, lose 54-14 to Texas A&M and well, fine, they were a lot better. But NU was ONE stop or ONE big play from winning. And that has been the case the last 4 bowls though of course the two OT losses were sheer agony.  ONE play away from ending the bowl streak .... AUGH. I would almost say I'd rather lose 66-17 or so but I was at that debacle and actually, no, I wouldn't. But so close ... aren't we due for a break from the sporting gods?


Two,  watching the Sun Bowl, or the Pinstripe Bowl, I know NU could have -- probably would have -- beaten UCLA and Iowa State. NU needs a matchup like that. I appreciate what Delany and Phillips do to move "up" the bowl ladder, but maybe NU's best hope to win would come in a year where the BT gets just one BCS spot to even out the bowl matchups a little. I do believe the bowl streak hurts recruiting and the impression of NU as a competitive program.

Three, why does NU dig holes in every bowl? Why do the 'Cats fall behind badly at the start and have to scramble back? How can they not be ready to play in a bowl game?


Four, the constant drumbeat of allowing 3rd down conversions hurts my head. The defense on 3rd downs needs to either a) get a pass rush on or b) cover the receivers tightly. NU does neither. This is a recipe for disaster. I'd trade getting beaten deep once or twice (which happens anyway) for some sacks and hurries that could create turnovers.

Brad Wilson










 
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Jan  1 15:32:06 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:32:06 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
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When Morty said to me that Stanford lowered their standards, I didn't ask in what way.  Assuming its true I wonder if it was a wholesale lowering of the minimum numbers on GPA/SAT or was it allowing a more flexible response from the admissions committee if a candidate was a strong blue chipper. (I.e. For a real blue chipper we might be able to bend a bit ). I would oppose the former but not sure where I come out on the latter

One thing I would not compromise on is paying huge bucks for a coach, because I think it sends the wrong message about the university's priorities. 

As to being one stupid mistake away by a player from disaster, let's not delude ourselves in thinking our kids never go there. We had one kid a few years ago (a future fringe pro) get drunk and could have been charged with breaking and entering. Another was stopped for DUI and maybe disorderly conduct who had very wealthy parents use their money to get access to top attorneys getting him off lightly. Obviously the risks are lower when you have serious students and I never want NU to admit a kid they don't think has the ability to graduate (even if 5 tutors and a year round schedule are needed)

In sum I echo Willie's comments about being proud of our record while holding up our standards and graduation rates. Willie and I went during similar years so the bar was somewhat lowered.  Having said that I am a bit frustrated at our bowl record while the system has watered down the standards of getting chosen for a bowl and hope we can find a legitimate way to break the hex. It's tough losing our last game every year 

Harry
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It will be interesting to see how the reported changes in Stanford admissions standards affects the off-field performance of the players.  It can become slippery slope when institutions begin to compromise their values in return for the promise of better on field performance.
 
I agree that it is maddening to watch NU come so close. 
 
As Mike mentioned, NU isn't the only program to go through this.  Nebraska made a habit of grinding their opponents to dust during the regular season.  Their reward was to travel to some holiday location only to look slow and stupid against some wicked-fast warm-weather team.  They slowly transformed into a speed program, got more creative play calling (fumblerooskie), and eventually learned how to win in the post season.
 
The only solution that I can think of is that we continue to believe in the program and make progress every year.
 
Injuries clearly hurt us this year with Persa being the first and most important.  Losing Mabin, however, probably cost us this bowl win.  Without him, our secondary was quickly exposed and just couldn't hold up in one-on-one matchups.  That made it harder for us to blitz, and our front four just couldn't consistently get to the QB on their own.
 
On the flip side, we became a pretty predictable offense, particularly after we got down a couple of scores.  Persa was going to pass and Colter was going to run.  They were able to take away our bread and butter throws to the outside for short yardage and the blitz kept us from making any longer throws.  I agree with others that the two QB scheme didn't help us much, but I suspect that Persa was more gimpy than perhaps anyone was willing to admit.  I also agree that both the offense and defense lost their poise at various points in the game and just seemed overwhelmed by A&M speed.
 
I think that next year NU will raise some Kain, make a run at the BT title, and win our first bowl game.
 
Jeff
 
 

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Brad Wilson
Sent: Sun 1/1/2012 1:55 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations



I concur with those who say it is delightful to enjoy a competitive team, one that never quits. As I said to my disconsolate NU-watching buddy during the game Saturday, "At least we're never boring., Never dull watching NU." Having watched my share of massacres in the 1980's, the idea of four straight bowl games is remarkable in itself.

I do not concur with those who say NU needs to lower its standards for 4-star recruits. Either they make it or they don't and that is an admission-office decision, period. And that is as it should be. Stanford has lower standards for studs? Shame on Stanford.


However, four elements of frustration for me.

One, NU is SOOOOO close. Look, lose 54-14 to Texas A&M and well, fine, they were a lot better. But NU was ONE stop or ONE big play from winning. And that has been the case the last 4 bowls though of course the two OT losses were sheer agony.  ONE play away from ending the bowl streak .... AUGH. I would almost say I'd rather lose 66-17 or so but I was at that debacle and actually, no, I wouldn't. But so close ... aren't we due for a break from the sporting gods?


Two,  watching the Sun Bowl, or the Pinstripe Bowl, I know NU could have -- probably would have -- beaten UCLA and Iowa State. NU needs a matchup like that. I appreciate what Delany and Phillips do to move "up" the bowl ladder, but maybe NU's best hope to win would come in a year where the BT gets just one BCS spot to even out the bowl matchups a little. I do believe the bowl streak hurts recruiting and the impression of NU as a competitive program.

Three, why does NU dig holes in every bowl? Why do the 'Cats fall behind badly at the start and have to scramble back? How can they not be ready to play in a bowl game?


Four, the constant drumbeat of allowing 3rd down conversions hurts my head. The defense on 3rd downs needs to either a) get a pass rush on or b) cover the receivers tightly. NU does neither. This is a recipe for disaster. I'd trade getting beaten deep once or twice (which happens anyway) for some sacks and hurries that could create turnovers.

Brad Wilson










 
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Jan  1 16:03:41 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:03:41 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
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BTW I forget to mention that I asked Morty about the NU players wearing the patch on their uniform  and he said that's just the way we do things. Gotta be proud when the leader of your alma mater has that attitude
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When Morty said to me that Stanford lowered their standards, I didn't ask in what way.  Assuming its true I wonder if it was a wholesale lowering of the minimum numbers on GPA/SAT or was it allowing a more flexible response from the admissions committee if a candidate was a strong blue chipper. (I.e. For a real blue chipper we might be able to bend a bit ). I would oppose the former but not sure where I come out on the latter

One thing I would not compromise on is paying huge bucks for a coach, because I think it sends the wrong message about the university's priorities. 

As to being one stupid mistake away by a player from disaster, let's not delude ourselves in thinking our kids never go there. We had one kid a few years ago (a future fringe pro) get drunk and could have been charged with breaking and entering. Another was stopped for DUI and maybe disorderly conduct who had very wealthy parents use their money to get access to top attorneys getting him off lightly. Obviously the risks are lower when you have serious students and I never want NU to admit a kid they don't think has the ability to graduate (even if 5 tutors and a year round schedule are needed)

In sum I echo Willie's comments about being proud of our record while holding up our standards and graduation rates. Willie and I went during similar years so the bar was somewhat lowered.  Having said that I am a bit frustrated at our bowl record while the system has watered down the standards of getting chosen for a bowl and hope we can find a legitimate way to break the hex. It's tough losing our last game every year 

Harry
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It will be interesting to see how the reported changes in Stanford admissions standards affects the off-field performance of the players.  It can become slippery slope when institutions begin to compromise their values in return for the promise of better on field performance.
 
I agree that it is maddening to watch NU come so close. 
 
As Mike mentioned, NU isn't the only program to go through this.  Nebraska made a habit of grinding their opponents to dust during the regular season.  Their reward was to travel to some holiday location only to look slow and stupid against some wicked-fast warm-weather team.  They slowly transformed into a speed program, got more creative play calling (fumblerooskie), and eventually learned how to win in the post season.
 
The only solution that I can think of is that we continue to believe in the program and make progress every year.
 
Injuries clearly hurt us this year with Persa being the first and most important.  Losing Mabin, however, probably cost us this bowl win.  Without him, our secondary was quickly exposed and just couldn't hold up in one-on-one matchups.  That made it harder for us to blitz, and our front four just couldn't consistently get to the QB on their own.
 
On the flip side, we became a pretty predictable offense, particularly after we got down a couple of scores.  Persa was going to pass and Colter was going to run.  They were able to take away our bread and butter throws to the outside for short yardage and the blitz kept us from making any longer throws.  I agree with others that the two QB scheme didn't help us much, but I suspect that Persa was more gimpy than perhaps anyone was willing to admit.  I also agree that both the offense and defense lost their poise at various points in the game and just seemed overwhelmed by A&M speed.
 
I think that next year NU will raise some Kain, make a run at the BT title, and win our first bowl game.
 
Jeff
 
 

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Brad Wilson
Sent: Sun 1/1/2012 1:55 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations



I concur with those who say it is delightful to enjoy a competitive team, one that never quits. As I said to my disconsolate NU-watching buddy during the game Saturday, "At least we're never boring., Never dull watching NU." Having watched my share of massacres in the 1980's, the idea of four straight bowl games is remarkable in itself.

I do not concur with those who say NU needs to lower its standards for 4-star recruits. Either they make it or they don't and that is an admission-office decision, period. And that is as it should be. Stanford has lower standards for studs? Shame on Stanford.


However, four elements of frustration for me.

One, NU is SOOOOO close. Look, lose 54-14 to Texas A&M and well, fine, they were a lot better. But NU was ONE stop or ONE big play from winning. And that has been the case the last 4 bowls though of course the two OT losses were sheer agony.  ONE play away from ending the bowl streak .... AUGH. I would almost say I'd rather lose 66-17 or so but I was at that debacle and actually, no, I wouldn't. But so close ... aren't we due for a break from the sporting gods?


Two,  watching the Sun Bowl, or the Pinstripe Bowl, I know NU could have -- probably would have -- beaten UCLA and Iowa State. NU needs a matchup like that. I appreciate what Delany and Phillips do to move "up" the bowl ladder, but maybe NU's best hope to win would come in a year where the BT gets just one BCS spot to even out the bowl matchups a little. I do believe the bowl streak hurts recruiting and the impression of NU as a competitive program.

Three, why does NU dig holes in every bowl? Why do the 'Cats fall behind badly at the start and have to scramble back? How can they not be ready to play in a bowl game?


Four, the constant drumbeat of allowing 3rd down conversions hurts my head. The defense on 3rd downs needs to either a) get a pass rush on or b) cover the receivers tightly. NU does neither. This is a recipe for disaster. I'd trade getting beaten deep once or twice (which happens anyway) for some sacks and hurries that could create turnovers.

Brad Wilson










 
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Jan  1 16:25:01 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:25:01 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Musings
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I guess you can tell I'm bored today with all my chatter but it sure doesn't feel like New Year's Day when you can't watch college bowl games a bit hungover (I don't qualify for the latter either !)
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BTW I forget to mention that I asked Morty about the NU players wearing the patch on their uniform  and he said that's just the way we do things. Gotta be proud when the leader of your alma mater has that attitude
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When Morty said to me that Stanford lowered their standards, I didn't ask in what way.  Assuming its true I wonder if it was a wholesale lowering of the minimum numbers on GPA/SAT or was it allowing a more flexible response from the admissions committee if a candidate was a strong blue chipper. (I.e. For a real blue chipper we might be able to bend a bit ). I would oppose the former but not sure where I come out on the latter

One thing I would not compromise on is paying huge bucks for a coach, because I think it sends the wrong message about the university's priorities. 

As to being one stupid mistake away by a player from disaster, let's not delude ourselves in thinking our kids never go there. We had one kid a few years ago (a future fringe pro) get drunk and could have been charged with breaking and entering. Another was stopped for DUI and maybe disorderly conduct who had very wealthy parents use their money to get access to top attorneys getting him off lightly. Obviously the risks are lower when you have serious students and I never want NU to admit a kid they don't think has the ability to graduate (even if 5 tutors and a year round schedule are needed)

In sum I echo Willie's comments about being proud of our record while holding up our standards and graduation rates. Willie and I went during similar years so the bar was somewhat lowered.  Having said that I am a bit frustrated at our bowl record while the system has watered down the standards of getting chosen for a bowl and hope we can find a legitimate way to break the hex. It's tough losing our last game every year 

Harry
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It will be interesting to see how the reported changes in Stanford admissions standards affects the off-field performance of the players.  It can become slippery slope when institutions begin to compromise their values in return for the promise of better on field performance.
 
I agree that it is maddening to watch NU come so close. 
 
As Mike mentioned, NU isn't the only program to go through this.  Nebraska made a habit of grinding their opponents to dust during the regular season.  Their reward was to travel to some holiday location only to look slow and stupid against some wicked-fast warm-weather team.  They slowly transformed into a speed program, got more creative play calling (fumblerooskie), and eventually learned how to win in the post season.
 
The only solution that I can think of is that we continue to believe in the program and make progress every year.
 
Injuries clearly hurt us this year with Persa being the first and most important.  Losing Mabin, however, probably cost us this bowl win.  Without him, our secondary was quickly exposed and just couldn't hold up in one-on-one matchups.  That made it harder for us to blitz, and our front four just couldn't consistently get to the QB on their own.
 
On the flip side, we became a pretty predictable offense, particularly after we got down a couple of scores.  Persa was going to pass and Colter was going to run.  They were able to take away our bread and butter throws to the outside for short yardage and the blitz kept us from making any longer throws.  I agree with others that the two QB scheme didn't help us much, but I suspect that Persa was more gimpy than perhaps anyone was willing to admit.  I also agree that both the offense and defense lost their poise at various points in the game and just seemed overwhelmed by A&M speed.
 
I think that next year NU will raise some Kain, make a run at the BT title, and win our first bowl game.
 
Jeff
 
 

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From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Brad Wilson
Sent: Sun 1/1/2012 1:55 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations



I concur with those who say it is delightful to enjoy a competitive team, one that never quits. As I said to my disconsolate NU-watching buddy during the game Saturday, "At least we're never boring., Never dull watching NU." Having watched my share of massacres in the 1980's, the idea of four straight bowl games is remarkable in itself.

I do not concur with those who say NU needs to lower its standards for 4-star recruits. Either they make it or they don't and that is an admission-office decision, period. And that is as it should be. Stanford has lower standards for studs? Shame on Stanford.


However, four elements of frustration for me.

One, NU is SOOOOO close. Look, lose 54-14 to Texas A&M and well, fine, they were a lot better. But NU was ONE stop or ONE big play from winning. And that has been the case the last 4 bowls though of course the two OT losses were sheer agony.  ONE play away from ending the bowl streak .... AUGH. I would almost say I'd rather lose 66-17 or so but I was at that debacle and actually, no, I wouldn't. But so close ... aren't we due for a break from the sporting gods?


Two,  watching the Sun Bowl, or the Pinstripe Bowl, I know NU could have -- probably would have -- beaten UCLA and Iowa State. NU needs a matchup like that. I appreciate what Delany and Phillips do to move "up" the bowl ladder, but maybe NU's best hope to win would come in a year where the BT gets just one BCS spot to even out the bowl matchups a little. I do believe the bowl streak hurts recruiting and the impression of NU as a competitive program.

Three, why does NU dig holes in every bowl? Why do the 'Cats fall behind badly at the start and have to scramble back? How can they not be ready to play in a bowl game?


Four, the constant drumbeat of allowing 3rd down conversions hurts my head. The defense on 3rd downs needs to either a) get a pass rush on or b) cover the receivers tightly. NU does neither. This is a recipe for disaster. I'd trade getting beaten deep once or twice (which happens anyway) for some sacks and hurries that could create turnovers.

Brad Wilson










 
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Jan  1 17:56:41 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:56:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
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> When Morty said to me that Stanford lowered their standards, I didn't ask in what way.  Assuming its true I wonder if it was a wholesale lowering of the minimum numbers on GPA/SAT or was it allowing a more flexible response from the admissions committee if a candidate was a strong blue chipper. (I.e. For a real blue chipper we might be able to bend a bit ). I would oppose the former but not sure where I come out on the latter

I don't know that an unconfirmed report of Stanford's (otherwise secret) admission protocols is reliable.  NU
isn't very open about how they deal with the borderline cases, either.  Does participation in varsity athletics
at the HS level bump someone up a notch or two compared to someone who is part of the French club?  

And had those two recruits qualified for admission, that's no guarantee they would have signed with NU,
much less lived up to their potential on the field.  

> One thing I would not compromise on is paying huge bucks for a coach, because I think it sends the wrong message about the university's priorities. 

Define 'huge'.  Fitz probably makes well over a million dollars a year, which I'm sure is several times what 
the best paid NU faculty member makes.
--
Mike Nolan


From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan  1 18:21:10 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:21:10 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
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<I also believe facts are an important component for any reasonable discussion between thoughtful people.

Yes, facts are wonderful things, but details are just as important.  You didn't note that Darnell Autry only started one game in 1994 but ran for 140+ yards, and that it was his second 100 yard effort that freshman year.  You failed to mention that Damien Anderson and Noah Herron played on terrible teams in 1998 and 2002, respectively, and that Anderson blossomed in the spread.  You did not recollect that Otto Graham only played nine games in 1941 because that was all Northwestern had on its schedule.

Facts are more wonderful yet when they are relevant to the discussion at hand.  Yours aren't.  I have never said that Kain Colter wasn't a good runner from the quarterback spot.  Indeed he is (at least in a relief role; whether he can last a full season as a starter remains to be seen).

This is what I have said:

Fact:  Kain Colter was our leading rusher this season.

Fact:  Kain Colter's principle role this season was backup quarterback.

Fact:  Our leading rusher was our backup quarterback.  (Do I year a DUH?)

Fact:  An offense has problems when its backup quarterback is its best runner.  I find it amazing that someone could disagree with that.  In fact, gimme a DUH here as well.

Fact:  While we ranked a not-too-shabby seventh in the league this season in rushing yardage, that is a false stat because our hurry-up offense allowed us to run both the most rushing and passing plays.  Our per-rush average tells a clearer story.  It was the league's worst at 3.8 yards per carry.  (I suppose, though, you can say we are getting better.  It was 3.6 last year and a dismal 2.9 in 2009.  However, it was 3.8 in 2008 and a heady 5.0 in 2007, which, of course, was Sutton's last season.  As I said, our running game hasn't been good since Tyrell Sutton left.  How about another DUH?)

But our biggest goal for next season is a significant improvement in our defense, especially pass defense.  If we don't, we're no better than .500 again and maybe worse.



<As I said at the start of this year, this season depended on whether Dan Persa returned to 2010 form. Even though he probably worked harder at it than any other human on the planet, it didn't happen.  Between his achilles and other injuries, he wasn't able to start the season, and he never regained the 2010 mobility that made him a dangerous QB to blitz.  We had a 6-7 season and a consecutive bowl game losing streak that we now share with ND. 

I also agree with you that Autry, Anderson, Herron, and Sutton were great backs. Heck Otto Graham was a great back too. If any of those guys were on the field in their prime in 2011, I agree it would have made a difference. But wishes aren't horses.

But lets compare Kain Colter's Sophomore season with the Sophmore seasons of each of these guys anyway and see how he ranks.

1994 - Darnell Autry
          556 rushing - 4.6 yards/attempt
          83 receiving - 11.9 yards/reception 
          Team record - 3-7-1

1998 - Damien Anderson
          537 rushing - 3.3 yards/attempt
          79 receiving - 7.9 yards/reception 
          Team record - 3-9

2002 - Noah Herron
          365 rushing - 5.5 yards/attempt
          184 receiving - 12.3 yards/reception
          Team record - 3-9

2006 - Tyrell Sutton
          1000 rushing - 5.3 yards/attempt
           261 receiving - 6.5 yards/reception
           Team record - 4-8

1941 - Otto Graham
          359 rushing - 3.0 yards/attempt 
          0 receiving
          Team record - 5-3 Ranked 11th in the year-end AP

2011 - Kain Coulter
          654 rushing - 4.8 yards/attempt
          466 receiving - 10.8 yards/receiption 
          Team record - 6-7 Lost to Texas A&M in the Meineke Car Care Bowl

When you look at the facts, the only player on your list who had a better Sophmore season than Kain Colter was Sutton. It turned out to be Sutton's career season, and the team that year still won only 4 games.  Sutton didn't throw any passes.

It's hard to say what the future will hold for Colter, but clearly there is huge potential.  If he stays healthy and motivated, Colter could easily join the pantheon of great NU players. 

We were all holding our breathe to see what the Sophomore run-mostly Persa (208 yrd/3.4 per attempt) would turn into when he became the starting QB. Colter beat Persa in efficiency rating this year and was significantly better than Persa's Sophmore year.  If the NU coaches can help Colter mature in the same way that Persa did, 2012 will be a good year to be a Northwestern Wildcat football fan regardless of the color of the sky.

Jeff





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Sent: Sun 1/1/2012 9:41 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Scott Zeller, M.D.; NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak



<That backup QB/WR that you seem to want to discount ended up gaining more
yards on the ground this year than our top two rushers in 2009 combined.
That didn't happen by accident and as far as I can see <represents a welcome
improvement in our running game.

I discount no one's skills, least of all Colter's - as a runner that is.  I
simply make the 100% obvious point that we have not had a good running back
since Tyrell Sutton graduated.  We are desperately in need of an Autry, an
Anderson, a Herron, or a Sutton.  (Not as much as a Fitz, a Castillo, a
Bentley, a Cofield, a McManis, a Roach, a Wooten, etc. on defense, but a
good RB would be welcom.)  That absence and a weak offensive line are the
reasons our quarterbacks ate so much grass yesterday and probably need hours
in the whirlpool today.

Brandt:  The sky is a beautiful blue on a cloudless day.
Beamsley: No, it's an ugly shade of red!

That's what your argument boils down to.




From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sun Jan  1 18:34:19 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:34:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
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Sutton's last season was 2008 (his last game was the Alamo Bowl, in which
he went over 100 yards on the ground, something no NU RB did again until
Mike Trumpy later in the 2010 season at Indiana).

I think the most applicable development regarding the running game was
losing OL coach Bret Ingalls to the NFL (Saints) after the 2008 season.
After that, production on the ground has been way down and pressure getting
to the QBs has gone way up.  All this despite bringing in some highly
touted OL recruits and fielding a rather experienced OL (including 2 guys
starting every game for four straight years in Burkett & Netter, both of
whom have sported at least all-conference honorable mentions at some point
in their careers).

No, NU hasn't had a great RB since the departure of Sutton, but the OL
certainly hasn't done the running game any favors.  Trumpy may be the best
RB option NU has had, but he's experienced two season ending injuries in
his first two seasons (wrist against Illinois last year and knee against
Illinois this year).  I think overall McCall is doing a good job with the
team on the field and they've managed to get some offensive balance with
runs from the QB position.

In conclusion, getting a star RB in the lineage of
Autry/Anderson/Wright/Herron/Sutton would be nice, but I think Trumpy or
another RB already on the roster will do a decent job behind a line that
performs better.  And it seems like the only option is to bring in a
different OL coach to hopefully help the line along better than they have
been the past three seasons.

Jonathan

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On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

> <I also believe facts are an important component for any reasonable
> discussion between thoughtful people.
>
> Yes, facts are wonderful things, but details are just as important.  You
> didn't note that Darnell Autry only started one game in 1994 but ran for
> 140+ yards, and that it was his second 100 yard effort that freshman year.
>  You failed to mention that Damien Anderson and Noah Herron played on
> terrible teams in 1998 and 2002, respectively, and that Anderson blossomed
> in the spread.  You did not recollect that Otto Graham only played nine
> games in 1941 because that was all Northwestern had on its schedule.
>
> Facts are more wonderful yet when they are relevant to the discussion at
> hand.  Yours aren't.  I have never said that Kain Colter wasn't a good
> runner from the quarterback spot.  Indeed he is (at least in a relief role;
> whether he can last a full season as a starter remains to be seen).
>
> This is what I have said:
>
> Fact:  Kain Colter was our leading rusher this season.
>
> Fact:  Kain Colter's principle role this season was backup quarterback.
>
> Fact:  Our leading rusher was our backup quarterback.  (Do I year a DUH?)
>
> Fact:  An offense has problems when its backup quarterback is its best
> runner.  I find it amazing that someone could disagree with that.  In fact,
> gimme a DUH here as well.
>
> Fact:  While we ranked a not-too-shabby seventh in the league this season
> in rushing yardage, that is a false stat because our hurry-up offense
> allowed us to run both the most rushing and passing plays.  Our per-rush
> average tells a clearer story.  It was the league's worst at 3.8 yards per
> carry.  (I suppose, though, you can say we are getting better.  It was 3.6
> last year and a dismal 2.9 in 2009.  However, it was 3.8 in 2008 and a
> heady 5.0 in 2007, which, of course, was Sutton's last season.  As I said,
> our running game hasn't been good since Tyrell Sutton left.  How about
> another DUH?)
>
> But our biggest goal for next season is a significant improvement in our
> defense, especially pass defense.  If we don't, we're no better than .500
> again and maybe worse.
>
>
>
> <As I said at the start of this year, this season depended on whether Dan
> Persa returned to 2010 form. Even though he probably worked harder at it
> than any other human on the planet, it didn't happen.  Between his achilles
> and other injuries, he wasn't able to start the season, and he never
> regained the 2010 mobility that made him a dangerous QB to blitz.  We had a
> 6-7 season and a consecutive bowl game losing streak that we now share with
> ND.
>
> I also agree with you that Autry, Anderson, Herron, and Sutton were great
> backs. Heck Otto Graham was a great back too. If any of those guys were on
> the field in their prime in 2011, I agree it would have made a difference.
> But wishes aren't horses.
>
> But lets compare Kain Colter's Sophomore season with the Sophmore seasons
> of each of these guys anyway and see how he ranks.
>
> 1994 - Darnell Autry
>          556 rushing - 4.6 yards/attempt
>          83 receiving - 11.9 yards/reception
>          Team record - 3-7-1
>
> 1998 - Damien Anderson
>          537 rushing - 3.3 yards/attempt
>          79 receiving - 7.9 yards/reception
>          Team record - 3-9
>
> 2002 - Noah Herron
>          365 rushing - 5.5 yards/attempt
>          184 receiving - 12.3 yards/reception
>          Team record - 3-9
>
> 2006 - Tyrell Sutton
>          1000 rushing - 5.3 yards/attempt
>           261 receiving - 6.5 yards/reception
>           Team record - 4-8
>
> 1941 - Otto Graham
>          359 rushing - 3.0 yards/attempt
>          0 receiving
>          Team record - 5-3 Ranked 11th in the year-end AP
>
> 2011 - Kain Coulter
>          654 rushing - 4.8 yards/attempt
>          466 receiving - 10.8 yards/receiption
>          Team record - 6-7 Lost to Texas A&M in the Meineke Car Care Bowl
>
> When you look at the facts, the only player on your list who had a better
> Sophmore season than Kain Colter was Sutton. It turned out to be Sutton's
> career season, and the team that year still won only 4 games.  Sutton
> didn't throw any passes.
>
> It's hard to say what the future will hold for Colter, but clearly there
> is huge potential.  If he stays healthy and motivated, Colter could easily
> join the pantheon of great NU players.
>
> We were all holding our breathe to see what the Sophomore run-mostly Persa
> (208 yrd/3.4 per attempt) would turn into when he became the starting QB.
> Colter beat Persa in efficiency rating this year and was significantly
> better than Persa's Sophmore year.  If the NU coaches can help Colter
> mature in the same way that Persa did, 2012 will be a good year to be a
> Northwestern Wildcat football fan regardless of the color of the sky.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng at comcast.net]
> Sent: Sun 1/1/2012 9:41 AM
> To: Beamsley, Jeff; Scott Zeller, M.D.; NUSPORTS
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
>
>
>
> <That backup QB/WR that you seem to want to discount ended up gaining more
> yards on the ground this year than our top two rushers in 2009 combined.
> That didn't happen by accident and as far as I can see <represents a
> welcome
> improvement in our running game.
>
> I discount no one's skills, least of all Colter's - as a runner that is.  I
> simply make the 100% obvious point that we have not had a good running back
> since Tyrell Sutton graduated.  We are desperately in need of an Autry, an
> Anderson, a Herron, or a Sutton.  (Not as much as a Fitz, a Castillo, a
> Bentley, a Cofield, a McManis, a Roach, a Wooten, etc. on defense, but a
> good RB would be welcom.)  That absence and a weak offensive line are the
> reasons our quarterbacks ate so much grass yesterday and probably need
> hours
> in the whirlpool today.
>
> Brandt:  The sky is a beautiful blue on a cloudless day.
> Beamsley: No, it's an ugly shade of red!
>
> That's what your argument boils down to.
>
>
>
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 18:47:22 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 16:47:22 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
In-Reply-To: <20120101235641.D5B27653A2@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <677680572-1325453527-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-281122085-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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Actually both of those 4-star recruits have publicly said they would go to
NU if accepted. Certainly not a "guarantee", but as close as you can get
prior to signing day.

On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > When Morty said to me that Stanford lowered their standards, I didn't
> ask in what way.  Assuming its true I wonder if it was a wholesale lowering
> of the minimum numbers on GPA/SAT or was it allowing a more flexible
> response from the admissions committee if a candidate was a strong blue
> chipper. (I.e. For a real blue chipper we might be able to bend a bit ). I
> would oppose the former but not sure where I come out on the latter
>
> I don't know that an unconfirmed report of Stanford's (otherwise secret)
> admission protocols is reliable.  NU
> isn't very open about how they deal with the borderline cases, either.
>  Does participation in varsity athletics
> at the HS level bump someone up a notch or two compared to someone who is
> part of the French club?
>
> And had those two recruits qualified for admission, that's no guarantee
> they would have signed with NU,
> much less lived up to their potential on the field.
>
> > One thing I would not compromise on is paying huge bucks for a coach,
> because I think it sends the wrong message about the university's
> priorities.
>
> Define 'huge'.  Fitz probably makes well over a million dollars a year,
> which I'm sure is several times what
> the best paid NU faculty member makes.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Jan  1 18:53:05 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:53:05 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] First half vs PSU men's hoops
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22C9A@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Ugly.  If not for a very strong half by Sobolewski, Cats would be down big to an unimpressive Lions team that is getting and missing shot after shot.  Lucky to be down just 26-23.  Again, ugly.

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Jan  1 19:14:15 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 01:14:15 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
Message-ID: <480794605-1325466857-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1782390677-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

I m sure we lower numerical standards for a strong athlete more than we would for a French club member--as we should. Hardly any private undergraduate school just takes the best  numbers alone. Amongst other factors are well roundedness of the applicant. And it sure seems well rounded of a kid if he is pretty smart and can play football really well.   Percentagewise there aren't a lot of these kids,so to me they are more well rounded than a lot of others. Success factors in the real world many times point to those who played on team sports in college as well as being bright 

As to big bucks for the coach ,mike asks a good question.  I don't have a figure but I was thinking more in the line of hiring a new coach with big bucks vs paying Fitz what he is worth in the open market as he has grown in the position.  That is you don't let him go just because his market value may have gone from a relatively low amount in 2005 ( I seem to recall he was paid under 100 K back then) to low 7 figures today.  I don't know the circumstances surrounding our loss of Ara but I can guess had we ponied up a lot  more money he may have stayed rather than go to South Bend (then again maybe not) 

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: Harry
Cc: Beamsley Jeff
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: Brad Wilson
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
Sent: Jan 1, 2012 3:56 PM

> When Morty said to me that Stanford lowered their standards, I didn't ask in what way.  Assuming its true I wonder if it was a wholesale lowering of the minimum numbers on GPA/SAT or was it allowing a more flexible response from the admissions committee if a candidate was a strong blue chipper. (I.e. For a real blue chipper we might be able to bend a bit ). I would oppose the former but not sure where I come out on the latter

I don't know that an unconfirmed report of Stanford's (otherwise secret) admission protocols is reliable.  NU
isn't very open about how they deal with the borderline cases, either.  Does participation in varsity athletics
at the HS level bump someone up a notch or two compared to someone who is part of the French club?  

And had those two recruits qualified for admission, that's no guarantee they would have signed with NU,
much less lived up to their potential on the field.  

> One thing I would not compromise on is paying huge bucks for a coach, because I think it sends the wrong message about the university's priorities. 

Define 'huge'.  Fitz probably makes well over a million dollars a year, which I'm sure is several times what 
the best paid NU faculty member makes.
--
Mike Nolan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 19:28:29 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 01:28:29 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Hankwitz bad recruiter?
Message-ID: <683354121-1325467709-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1995152908-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

My Wisconsin friends (go Bucky pluck the ducks btw) say that Wisconsin booted Hank because he was a terrible recruiter. Anybody know if that is supposedly so or not? 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan  1 19:47:01 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:47:01 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
In-Reply-To: <20111231054359.D360764C84@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <8CE958DF691E9B2-EE0-1D3B7@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <000801ccc8f0$6fa19b30$4ee4d190$@com>

Very good reading of the situation Mike, and all the way back on Saturday night

NU did win by a TD.

And we shouldn't have.... 

rsl

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=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:44 AM
To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

> Is anybody out there?  Where are all of the emails I was expecting to read on the eve of
our big bowl game?   It has been so quiet I thought maybe I was somehow thrown off of the
List.

Nearly every expert is predicting NU to lose, most by a touchdown or so.
This game may come down to who wants it more, and which team's defense
shows up to play.
--
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Jan  1 19:52:43 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:52:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
In-Reply-To: <480794605-1325466857-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1782390677-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20120102015243.CD81265257@romaine.tssi.com>

Back in Ara's day at NU, coaches didn't get the kinds of salaries, shoe payments, 
TV show appearance fees, commercial endorsements, etc. that they get now.  

That didn't start happening until the early 70's.  

Bob Devaney remarked around the time he retired as Nebraska's AD that Tom Osborne
was making something like 10 times what he got in his last year as a coach ('72)
and even that was a lot more than he got when he was hired at Nebraska ('63).  

I suspect Notre Dame paid more than Northwestern did back then, but I don't really
think that was the factor with Ara, I think the prestige of coaching at Notre Dame 
was irresistable, especially to a coach who didn't have purple in his veins.  

These days I doubt Notre Dame is THE destination job for coaches, and the
unrealistic expectations probably justify the money, because I doubt any coach 
is going to last long there.  

Holtz was 100-30-2 and left for 'undisclosed reasons'.  (The rumors at the time was
that some Notre Dame administrators didn't want him to surpass Rockne's 105 wins.).  
So far none of his successors have come remotely close to his win-loss record there.
--
Mike Nolan


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sun Jan  1 19:56:14 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:56:14 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Hankwitz bad recruiter?
In-Reply-To: <683354121-1325467709-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1995152908-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
References: <683354121-1325467709-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1995152908-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu7dBVK_9pz8f9T-PN4q0TdXdTVd4SwH3M4kJ09Fe4L1dQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is completely based on my perception and what I've read (or haven't
read) in articles concerning NU since he came on board, so feel free to
take it with a grain of salt.

It seems like Hankwitz is an "X&O's" guy as I haven't heard his name
associated with recruiting all that much for the 'Cats.  I'm sure he does
recruit, due to NCAA restrictions on time to recruit and the number of
staff members, but I don't think he's a top recruiter for NU.

That could very well be a reason why Wisconsin dumped him (I had read there
were personality differences between he and Bielema, and he had been
co-coordinator with Doeren, now HC at NIU, and Bielema opted to keep Doeren
at the time), but each staff has its own needs in terms of recruiting
versus X&O/coaching assistants.  And recruiting isn't limited to one's area
of coaching responsibility and is usually divided geographically (e.g.
Hankwitz isn't necessarily responsible for bringing in overall defensive
players).  In the run up to the bowl, Fitz noted that LB coach Randy Bates
had responsibility for Texas (along with other areas) and his recruits
included the 5 Houston-ites on the roster for the game.

Even if he isn't a strong recruiter there may very well be a place on the
staff for him.  But, if Fitz chooses to make changes on the staff this
offseason (which many including myself hope he does) that may change the
complexion of the staff (e.g. current OL coach Adam Cushing is noted as a
top recruiter even if the OL has underperformed under his time at that
position).

It is an interesting and seemingly accurate observation concerning
Hankwitz.  In any case it will be interesting to see what happens/doesn't
happen with the NU staff over the next few weeks.

Jonathan

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On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 8:28 PM, <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> My Wisconsin friends (go Bucky pluck the ducks btw) say that Wisconsin
> booted Hank because he was a terrible recruiter. Anybody know if that is
> supposedly so or not?
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 19:59:40 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 17:59:40 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Hallelujah
Message-ID: <CAN7sengYFkax6RxBgWh-MU7BVMvazhiuiLXZvy26-CzgEDEUug@mail.gmail.com>

79 seconds left - we are up 12 on Penn State - we actually are going to
beat them.

Just when you want to give up on these guys ... hope is always the last
thing to go.

From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Jan  1 20:00:46 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 20:00:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Hankwitz bad recruiter?
In-Reply-To: <683354121-1325467709-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1995152908-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20120102020046.33C27653BE@romaine.tssi.com>

> My Wisconsin friends (go Bucky pluck the ducks btw) say that Wisconsin booted
> Hank because he was a terrible recruiter. Anybody know if that is supposedly
> so or not? 

He was only there for two years, that may not have been much time to evaluate his
recruiting prowess.  More likely is that he and Bielema just didn't mesh.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan  1 20:04:57 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:04:57 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] My last thoughts on the Meineke Bowl....
Message-ID: <000901ccc8f2$ee08d9a0$ca1a8ce0$@com>

1. A&M has spawned a long list of Aggie Jokes. I won't bore you with them, but some are
very funny. The most telling is:

	What do you call an Aggie after 5 years?     Boss!

2. One of the reasons the NCAA tightened the screws on off season jobs was a QB for A & M.
He had a 16 hour a week part time job working the trouble desk for an oil company in
Dallas.

They gave him a Z car as a company car so he could get to work, and he didn't have to come
in every weekend. When he did come in, he spent most of the time studying since they
already had guys to sit the trouble desk.

3. One of the smartest guys I ever knew was an A & M Grad who was also a Cryptologic
Maintenance Chief Petty Officer named Noble Hetherington. Noble had business card that
read; "Noble Heatherington, Noted Authority and Unimpeachable Source. Those who think they
know everything are particularly bothersome to those of us who do." (Really, I used to
have that business card) 

He was a Special Security Alarm system Guru and made a lot of money. He used to wear his
Aggie belt buckle with his Navy Uniform, in accordance with Navy Regulations, that allowed
such things.

Of course he may have had us all fooled....

4. In the 1990's, Aggies got to be known as "Agro-Americans" because they were always
upset about something that had happened in Austin.

5. The Aggie Yell Leaders used to cheer, "Hey, Hey, That's OK, You'll all work for Us some
day," and meant it.

6. At one time, A & M used to recruit 11 guys from the Corps of Cadets to be the kickoff
team at home games. They were nuts, and made returning a kickoff pretty hard since they
actually followed the game plan every time.

7. OK, one more Aggie joke.

Dear Abbie,
I just met a wonderful girl and want to get married, but my family might have a problem
that could keep us apart.

	My Father is a notorious bootlegger in our home county, and is currently in
Huntsville Prison serving 2-5 for running liquor.

	My Mother used to be the #1 girl in the Best Whorehouse in Texas, but she made so
much money she bought the place, and runs it to this day.

	My Sister is the lead dancer at the #1 "gentleman's club" in Dallas.

	My one brother plays piano in my mother's whorehouse.

	And my other brother graduated from Texas A & M University.

My problem is, should I tell my future bride about my brother who graduated from A & M?

Gotta have a sense of humor when you work in East Texas....

Go Cats.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Jan  1 20:04:30 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:04:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Hallelujah
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Sobolewski starred - great game.  Crawford asserted himself and led the team in scoring and Shurna had a much better second half, as did the whole team.  Need to cut down on foolish turnovers and fouls and do a better job on boards to do well against the upper echelon teams.  

This was a must.  Couldn't afford another loss to PSU and still have a successful season.

Happy new year and Go Cats!

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Subject: [NU Sports] Hallelujah

79 seconds left - we are up 12 on Penn State - we actually are going to
beat them.

Just when you want to give up on these guys ... hope is always the last
thing to go.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan  1 20:16:16 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:16:16 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
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Wanted to expand on this a bit....

I have never seen any head coach come back to a former school as an assistant or a
coordinator.

They do it in the NFL quite a bit - Baltimore's Offensive guy is Cam Cameron, and there
are several offensive and defensive coordinators around the NFL who were head guys at one
time.

But college seems to be different and a guy who had Div I Head Coach as a former
occupation really doesn?t want to become an assistant at another school.

Not to say that NAIA and Div III coaches don't take assistant and coordinator jobs - but
they're working for the brass ring of being a head guy at another school.

Vandy's shot at Div I was derailed at Maryland, and I'm not sure if he's still a hot
commodity, especially after the idiocy at State Penn. Joe Pa didn't think enough of his
talents to promote him to Defensive coordinator after they got Sandusky to leave, so there
was something going on that kept him from one of the #2 spots.

Of course Vandy may have decided he didn't like the Head Man or Coordinator position and
chose to stay working with Linebackers.

Maybe one of our sports guys who knows him can get the inside scoop, but I'd be really
surprised if Vandy showed up at NU in other than a consultant position, kinda like
Barnett, ya know?

But now it's time to wait for signing day, and watch BC try to right the basketball ship.

Go Cats. Its time.

rsl

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=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 5:16 PM
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog); Scott Zeller, M.D.; NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak

Anybody think that Hank's time may be up--either by retirement or involuntarily?  If so,
could Fitz lure his mentor, Vanderlinden, back to Evanston as Associate Head
Coach/Defensive Coordinator?

Vandy should be available, assuming PSU cleans house.

Any thoughts, Coach Roy, as you have offered many insights about Coach RV over the years?


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak

I know - it's a tough call. I certainly don't fault our AD for bragging up NU and moving
us up in the bowl process -- he's doing an amazing job of promoting Northwestern football.

But ... it was tough to watch our game and then swing over to sunny San Francisco, actual
green turf and all the picturesque vistas and beatable UCLA team and not wonder "what if
..."?

I'm sure we will hear from those who attended the game today, but on TV at least, the
Houston Meh Bowl had to rank low on NU's bowl experiences. Dallas at least had the
historic Cotton Bowl setting, Detroit has a better stadium, San Fran would have had the
sights, Phoenix has perfect weather this weekend, Tampa sounded like a first-rate
experience, San Antonio was a nice setting with everything nearby, etc. etc. etc.

As for next year, I'm pretty optimistic (and looking at our 2013 and 2014 schedules -
OUCH! - next year BETTER be our year!). We lose some big-time seniors, but I think we'll
be fine on offense. And the defense has to get better? Right??? Plus, we had some special
teams bright spots this year that were lacking in the past. And Fitz is the embodiment of
all the class and enthusiasm I want from a head coach on the sideline.?

The problem comes in the rest of the staff -- I'm not so harsh on Hank because he's
dealing with a tougher deck, but he needs to get better on playing aggressive and playing
smart. We can't just sit back and wait for teams to make 3rd down after 3rd down on us. If
we get beat, we get beat, but we gotta go out fighting and take our chances in smart ways.
My beefs are more on the offense, where it really appeared today that we "out-thunk"
ourselves -- our tempo push hurt us more than ATM with sloppy penalties and missed
blocking assignments ... and the rotating QB gimmick was a bust. Put Colter in for a
series or so, but alternating by play ruined any rhythm we had and made it predictable
when Kain came in what the call would be -- at the end when we stuck with Persa
consistently, he then developed a rhythm. We need to get our offensive game plan back to
the Walker days where the spread was used to SPREAD the field -- swing the D side to side,
test them
 deep and dink them short ... ?then get smart about finding the holes and mixing it up.
Now it seems like we want to be more Oregon-lite with gimmicks and flash instead of smarts
and substance.

But I like our team for next year and our schedule is as good as it will be for a couple
of years -- our staff needs to kick it in gear and get back to making smart game plans for
NU football in 2012 - use or strengths to help us overcome the weaknesses NU will always
have.

Happy NU year!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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 From: "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:05 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
 
Next year is a major rebuilding project as we lose a lot of seniors, then
our schedule gets really tough for the foreseeable future. Not scheduling
many cupcakes anymore. Add that to our admissions office preventing at
least two four-star recruits from committing to the team recently. We might
not be back to a bowl for a long time, much less win one.

Watched in San Francisco in a bar owned by an NU alum, with more than 100
purple in attendance. I'm sure our fans would have packed AT&T Park today
on a beautiful sunny day on the Bay, for a very winnable game against UCLA.
Thanks a lot Mr Phillips, for doing all you did to "move us up" away from
SF to a very difficult opponent in a much less attractive setting, when we
could have been spanking the Bruins instead and ending this streak. As it
is, there is no evidence of any Illinois presence in town, and none of
their fans care (most of my family are Illini and none have any interest in
the game).
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan  1 20:24:24 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:24:24 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
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As I saw (and heard) it....

1. NU is still making stupid penalties. You don't give the guy extra yards, and we did
that a couple of times in the second half. Randy called it "self inflicted wounds" and
they certainly were.

2. The ESPN Radio guys (and girl) kept talking about how fast A & M's team was compared to
NU. Speed Kills, especially on defense.

3. I still believe (along with several others of us) that Persa would have won this game
had he been left in to play QB. We also should have run the offense on the 10 second clock
that seems to get every other team back on their heel in a hurry. I don't care if it
exposes our defense, it makes every drive a shootout, and even the Cats  get lucky some
times.

4. All A&M had to do at the end was go back to their passing game, once again Speed Kills.

5. Walker's Recruiting and off season Mantra was "Bigger, Stronger, Faster." I'm not sure
if we're still recruiting that way but there were a bunch of former Randy Walker NU guys
playing today in the NFL and helping earn playoff spots for their teams. And if you can't
get "fast" get "Quick"

6. A&M's academic requirements are reputed to be pretty tough, including the football
team. Once again, they can find them, why can't we.

Go Cats.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 3:59 PM
To: Brad Wilson; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations

It will be interesting to see how the reported changes in Stanford admissions standards
affects the off-field performance of the players.  It can become slippery slope when
institutions begin to compromise their values in return for the promise of better on field
performance.
 
I agree that it is maddening to watch NU come so close. 
 
As Mike mentioned, NU isn't the only program to go through this.  Nebraska made a habit of
grinding their opponents to dust during the regular season.  Their reward was to travel to
some holiday location only to look slow and stupid against some wicked-fast warm-weather
team.  They slowly transformed into a speed program, got more creative play calling
(fumblerooskie), and eventually learned how to win in the post season.
 
The only solution that I can think of is that we continue to believe in the program and
make progress every year.
 
Injuries clearly hurt us this year with Persa being the first and most important.  Losing
Mabin, however, probably cost us this bowl win.  Without him, our secondary was quickly
exposed and just couldn't hold up in one-on-one matchups.  That made it harder for us to
blitz, and our front four just couldn't consistently get to the QB on their own.
 
On the flip side, we became a pretty predictable offense, particularly after we got down a
couple of scores.  Persa was going to pass and Colter was going to run.  They were able to
take away our bread and butter throws to the outside for short yardage and the blitz kept
us from making any longer throws.  I agree with others that the two QB scheme didn't help
us much, but I suspect that Persa was more gimpy than perhaps anyone was willing to admit.
I also agree that both the offense and defense lost their poise at various points in the
game and just seemed overwhelmed by A&M speed.
 
I think that next year NU will raise some Kain, make a run at the BT title, and win our
first bowl game.
 
Jeff
 
 

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Brad Wilson
Sent: Sun 1/1/2012 1:55 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations



I concur with those who say it is delightful to enjoy a competitive team, one that never
quits. As I said to my disconsolate NU-watching buddy during the game Saturday, "At least
we're never boring., Never dull watching NU." Having watched my share of massacres in the
1980's, the idea of four straight bowl games is remarkable in itself.

I do not concur with those who say NU needs to lower its standards for 4-star recruits.
Either they make it or they don't and that is an admission-office decision, period. And
that is as it should be. Stanford has lower standards for studs? Shame on Stanford.


However, four elements of frustration for me.

One, NU is SOOOOO close. Look, lose 54-14 to Texas A&M and well, fine, they were a lot
better. But NU was ONE stop or ONE big play from winning. And that has been the case the
last 4 bowls though of course the two OT losses were sheer agony.  ONE play away from
ending the bowl streak .... AUGH. I would almost say I'd rather lose 66-17 or so but I was
at that debacle and actually, no, I wouldn't. But so close ... aren't we due for a break
from the sporting gods?


Two,  watching the Sun Bowl, or the Pinstripe Bowl, I know NU could have -- probably would
have -- beaten UCLA and Iowa State. NU needs a matchup like that. I appreciate what Delany
and Phillips do to move "up" the bowl ladder, but maybe NU's best hope to win would come
in a year where the BT gets just one BCS spot to even out the bowl matchups a little. I do
believe the bowl streak hurts recruiting and the impression of NU as a competitive
program.

Three, why does NU dig holes in every bowl? Why do the 'Cats fall behind badly at the
start and have to scramble back? How can they not be ready to play in a bowl game?


Four, the constant drumbeat of allowing 3rd down conversions hurts my head. The defense on
3rd downs needs to either a) get a pass rush on or b) cover the receivers tightly. NU does
neither. This is a recipe for disaster. I'd trade getting beaten deep once or twice (which
happens anyway) for some sacks and hurries that could create turnovers.

Brad Wilson










 
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while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching,
and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one
more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 21:02:56 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:02:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
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No argument on #1 or #3 - we killed ourselves with penalties and by getting cutesy on offense, disrupting Persa's rhythm.

I will argue #2, though - I don't buy the speed myth with ATM. It didn't look to me like they were that much quicker. They *were* bigger, overpowering our line and catching those passes, but we didn't look slow at all out there, IMO. On that last conversion for ATM, we were in position, their wideout just was a half foot taller and made a great catch. Can't coach size.

On the contrary, I thought ATM looked somewhat slow for an SEC team (or maybe that's more hype) -- they're big, but they won't be able to keep up with most of those SEC schools next year.

But enough wallowing ... the streak and monkey are just media creations and bothersome if we let them be bothersome. The losses were by different teams, different coaches and different players. As John pointed out, we've been underdogs in most of those games, and we've been close in most of those games. We leave Persa in at QB ... replay that FG at the end of the half ... who knows? But on to 2012! We should have a pretty potent offense - we need to get the defense up to snuff to make a splash. Especially since the schedule will be as favorable in 2012 as it will be for the next three years or so.

Besides, the new year's already off to a good start in that we FINALLY beat darn PSU in basketball!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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________________________________
 From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: "'Beamsley, Jeff'" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; 'Brad Wilson' <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
 
As I saw (and heard) it....

1. NU is still making stupid penalties. You don't give the guy extra yards, and we did
that a couple of times in the second half. Randy called it "self inflicted wounds" and
they certainly were.

2. The ESPN Radio guys (and girl) kept talking about how fast A & M's team was compared to
NU. Speed Kills, especially on defense.

3. I still believe (along with several others of us) that Persa would have won this game
had he been left in to play QB. We also should have run the offense on the 10 second clock
that seems to get every other team back on their heel in a hurry. I don't care if it
exposes our defense, it makes every drive a shootout, and even the Cats? get lucky some
times.

4. All A&M had to do at the end was go back to their passing game, once again Speed Kills.

5. Walker's Recruiting and off season Mantra was "Bigger, Stronger, Faster." I'm not sure
if we're still recruiting that way but there were a bunch of former Randy Walker NU guys
playing today in the NFL and helping earn playoff spots for their teams. And if you can't
get "fast" get "Quick"

6. A&M's academic requirements are reputed to be pretty tough, including the football
team. Once again, they can find them, why can't we.

Go Cats.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
? Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 3:59 PM
To: Brad Wilson; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations

It will be interesting to see how the reported changes in Stanford admissions standards
affects the off-field performance of the players.? It can become slippery slope when
institutions begin to compromise their values in return for the promise of better on field
performance.

I agree that it is maddening to watch NU come so close. 

As Mike mentioned, NU isn't the only program to go through this.? Nebraska made a habit of
grinding their opponents to dust during the regular season.? Their reward was to travel to
some holiday location only to look slow and stupid against some wicked-fast warm-weather
team.? They slowly transformed into a speed program, got more creative play calling
(fumblerooskie), and eventually learned how to win in the post season.

The only solution that I can think of is that we continue to believe in the program and
make progress every year.

Injuries clearly hurt us this year with Persa being the first and most important.? Losing
Mabin, however, probably cost us this bowl win.? Without him, our secondary was quickly
exposed and just couldn't hold up in one-on-one matchups.? That made it harder for us to
blitz, and our front four just couldn't consistently get to the QB on their own.

On the flip side, we became a pretty predictable offense, particularly after we got down a
couple of scores.? Persa was going to pass and Colter was going to run.? They were able to
take away our bread and butter throws to the outside for short yardage and the blitz kept
us from making any longer throws.? I agree with others that the two QB scheme didn't help
us much, but I suspect that Persa was more gimpy than perhaps anyone was willing to admit.
I also agree that both the offense and defense lost their poise at various points in the
game and just seemed overwhelmed by A&M speed.

I think that next year NU will raise some Kain, make a run at the BT title, and win our
first bowl game.

Jeff



________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Brad Wilson
Sent: Sun 1/1/2012 1:55 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations



I concur with those who say it is delightful to enjoy a competitive team, one that never
quits. As I said to my disconsolate NU-watching buddy during the game Saturday, "At least
we're never boring., Never dull watching NU." Having watched my share of massacres in the
1980's, the idea of four straight bowl games is remarkable in itself.

I do not concur with those who say NU needs to lower its standards for 4-star recruits.
Either they make it or they don't and that is an admission-office decision, period. And
that is as it should be. Stanford has lower standards for studs? Shame on Stanford.


However, four elements of frustration for me.

One, NU is SOOOOO close. Look, lose 54-14 to Texas A&M and well, fine, they were a lot
better. But NU was ONE stop or ONE big play from winning. And that has been the case the
last 4 bowls though of course the two OT losses were sheer agony.? ONE play away from
ending the bowl streak .... AUGH. I would almost say I'd rather lose 66-17 or so but I was
at that debacle and actually, no, I wouldn't. But so close ... aren't we due for a break
from the sporting gods?


Two,? watching the Sun Bowl, or the Pinstripe Bowl, I know NU could have -- probably would
have -- beaten UCLA and Iowa State. NU needs a matchup like that. I appreciate what Delany
and Phillips do to move "up" the bowl ladder, but maybe NU's best hope to win would come
in a year where the BT gets just one BCS spot to even out the bowl matchups a little. I do
believe the bowl streak hurts recruiting and the impression of NU as a competitive
program.

Three, why does NU dig holes in every bowl? Why do the 'Cats fall behind badly at the
start and have to scramble back? How can they not be ready to play in a bowl game?


Four, the constant drumbeat of allowing 3rd down conversions hurts my head. The defense on
3rd downs needs to either a) get a pass rush on or b) cover the receivers tightly. NU does
neither. This is a recipe for disaster. I'd trade getting beaten deep once or twice (which
happens anyway) for some sacks and hurries that could create turnovers.

Brad Wilson











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while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching,
and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan  1 21:28:28 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 22:28:28 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Joy in Cat-ville
Message-ID: <006701ccc8fe$99322330$cb966990$@com>

Crawford shoots a bunch, 

So does Shurna

And Sobo reappears on the court.

Life is good for the Cats.

But Luka only has 4 points, but even then he had 11 rebounds and with Marco the center
spot had 10 points tonight.

Cobb's minutes (10) are down. Anything going on there?

Go Cats
rsl
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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 21:44:05 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 19:44:05 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa/Colter/4th quarter
Message-ID: <CAN7sengdWDm+Y0xN7ZVUW8Rid4xcHL+8A8M0_0Pgw_7HsfZ0GA@mail.gmail.com>

Ok, I'm going to disagree with all of you who say we should have left Dan
in.

This is no knock on Dan. He is, in a word, great. I admire the hell out of
what he has accomplished at Northwestern.

This is my opinion:

For long stretches of the game, our offensive line was awful. It was clear
when Dan was in the game that we were passing. A&M was teeing off on him.

Sitting in the stands in the third quarter -- the false-start penalties on
our OL and the repetitive sacks were just brutal.

The change in pace that got us going was when we put Kain behind center.
That's when we regained our offensive rhythm. Yes, we put Dan in for some
critical third downs. But putting Kain in for some runs gained us some
yards and got us going.

As for the defense and the critical third-down stops that we needed late in
the fourth quarter -- because if we had gotten them I'm absolutely certain
we would have come back and scored again -- sigh. As Brad Wilson says, we
are s-o-o-o close.

That's what Kain Colter said, too. In today's Chicago Tribune.

But as Teddy Greenstein noted in the last line of his story -- which in
journalese is called a kicker -- close doesn't count.

All of us are tired of moral victories. Nobody knows moral victory like a
Northwestern football fan. But that's the way this season ended. The good
news, really, is that we are not that far away from being very, very good.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan  1 22:11:58 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:11:58 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Joy in Cat-ville
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22CA3@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <006701ccc8fe$99322330$cb966990$@com>
 <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22CA3@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <008101ccc904$acf855f0$06e901d0$@com>

Yeah, and after further review we only got 6 points from Center and that isn't enough.

Davide was o-fer all game.

In retrospect 3 players had 58 of our 68 points. Good for the starters, but where's the
bench?

rsl

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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: Weinbaum, Willie [mailto:Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 10:36 PM
To: 'rstetson at capps-assoc.com'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Joy in Cat-ville

Cobb didn't play well.  Need his play to improve.  And I think you mean Davide, not Marco.
:)

Best,
Willie

----- Original Message -----
From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2012 10:28 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Joy in Cat-ville

Crawford shoots a bunch,

So does Shurna

And Sobo reappears on the court.

Life is good for the Cats.

But Luka only has 4 points, but even then he had 11 rebounds and with Marco the center
spot had 10 points tonight.

Cobb's minutes (10) are down. Anything going on there?

Go Cats
rsl
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford:
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do,
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 23:03:47 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 05:03:47 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] The bowl streak is not "media creation", SJT
Message-ID: <2032747705-1325480627-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-814403152-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

The NHL's "winter classic" (pushed back an hour because of too much unwintry warmth) is a media creation. 

NU has lost nine straight bowl games. That is a fact. Not a nice one but a fact. 

I see your point here -- and I agree the monkey was perhaps a bad idea -- but can't blame the media for NU bowl futility. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 23:06:52 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 05:06:52 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Half a Hallelujah
Message-ID: <1329076484-1325480811-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-718126003-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

For finally beating Penn State in hoops ... But the effort that did so will not beat many other Big Ten teams so onward and upward in a hurry hoopsters!!!!!

Brad Wilson
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From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  1 23:31:05 2012
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 23:31:05 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] The bowl streak is not "media creation", SJT
In-Reply-To: <2032747705-1325480627-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-814403152-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
References: <2032747705-1325480627-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-814403152-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <CAK_3xyKQ4RDgE2LB6a4jim-2HVVQoMhTOTBRvJik8voGbaHZAA@mail.gmail.com>

I think his point is that it's a media fiction that the bowl streak
*matters*.  Personally, I cringed at Fitz's "monkey" bit because it lends
credence to that fiction.

Texas A&M had their own bowl losing streak until their win against us,
having gone 0-5 since their last win in 2001.  OTOH, we have Rutgers who is
now 5-0 in their last five bowls, having picked up memorable (that's
sarcasm, BTW) wins in the Pinstripe, St. Petersburg, PapaJohns.com,
International, and Texas bowls going back to 2006.

Does anyone think less of the A&M program, or more of the Rutgers program,
because of their recent bowl records?  I think we all know the answer.






On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 11:03 PM, <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The NHL's "winter classic" (pushed back an hour because of too much
> unwintry warmth) is a media creation.
>
> NU has lost nine straight bowl games. That is a fact. Not a nice one but a
> fact.
>
> I see your point here -- and I agree the monkey was perhaps a bad idea --
> but can't blame the media for NU bowl futility.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  1 23:44:49 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:44:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The bowl streak is not "media creation", SJT
In-Reply-To: <CAK_3xyKQ4RDgE2LB6a4jim-2HVVQoMhTOTBRvJik8voGbaHZAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2032747705-1325480627-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-814403152-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
 <CAK_3xyKQ4RDgE2LB6a4jim-2HVVQoMhTOTBRvJik8voGbaHZAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1325483089.94579.YahooMailNeo@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Actually, I didn't mind the monkey -- it was a way to have fun with it and try and show that it didn't matter.

Media creation was perhaps a poor choice of words -- but the point is that it's a lot different than a team losing a streak of games in one season, these games were different teams/coaches/players ... it's like the AFC losing streak in Super Bowls in the 80s and 90s. If you let it get to you, then it was something ... but if you realized that those games were played by different teams and players, then you realize it's just something for the reporters to write about and doesn't really have anything to do with this year's team. But if you let it get in your head like the SEC thing, then it factors in. We tried having fun with it ... now we can just ignore it next year, when the 2012 Wildcats are 0-0 in bowls as they head off to Pasadena.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Arthur Miller <artmiller1 at gmail.com>
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com 
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The bowl streak is not "media creation", SJT
 
I think his point is that it's a media fiction that the bowl streak
*matters*.? Personally, I cringed at Fitz's "monkey" bit because it lends
credence to that fiction.

Texas A&M had their own bowl losing streak until their win against us,
having gone 0-5 since their last win in 2001.? OTOH, we have Rutgers who is
now 5-0 in their last five bowls, having picked up memorable (that's
sarcasm, BTW) wins in the Pinstripe, St. Petersburg, PapaJohns.com,
International, and Texas bowls going back to 2006.

Does anyone think less of the A&M program, or more of the Rutgers program,
because of their recent bowl records?? I think we all know the answer.






On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 11:03 PM, <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The NHL's "winter classic" (pushed back an hour because of too much
> unwintry warmth) is a media creation.
>
> NU has lost nine straight bowl games. That is a fact. Not a nice one but a
> fact.
>
> I see your point here -- and I agree the monkey was perhaps a bad idea --
> but can't blame the media for NU bowl futility.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 00:04:21 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 06:04:21 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] The bowl streak is not "media creation", SJT
In-Reply-To: <1325483089.94579.YahooMailNeo@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <2032747705-1325480627-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-814403152-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
 <CAK_3xyKQ4RDgE2LB6a4jim-2HVVQoMhTOTBRvJik8voGbaHZAA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1325483089.94579.YahooMailNeo@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1099892452-1325484262-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1992042151-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

And remember exactly 16 years and one day ago NU could say they were undefeated in bowl games. Which would any of us prefer the then 1-0 record or 1-9 ?

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 21:44:49 
To: Arthur Miller<artmiller1 at gmail.com>; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The bowl streak is not "media creation", SJT

Actually, I didn't mind the monkey -- it was a way to have fun with it and try and show that it didn't matter.

Media creation was perhaps a poor choice of words -- but the point is that it's a lot different than a team losing a streak of games in one season, these games were different teams/coaches/players ... it's like the AFC losing streak in Super Bowls in the 80s and 90s. If you let it get to you, then it was something ... but if you realized that those games were played by different teams and players, then you realize it's just something for the reporters to write about and doesn't really have anything to do with this year's team. But if you let it get in your head like the SEC thing, then it factors in. We tried having fun with it ... now we can just ignore it next year, when the 2012 Wildcats are 0-0 in bowls as they head off to Pasadena.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Arthur Miller <artmiller1 at gmail.com>
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com 
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 10:31 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The bowl streak is not "media creation", SJT
 
I think his point is that it's a media fiction that the bowl streak
*matters*.? Personally, I cringed at Fitz's "monkey" bit because it lends
credence to that fiction.

Texas A&M had their own bowl losing streak until their win against us,
having gone 0-5 since their last win in 2001.? OTOH, we have Rutgers who is
now 5-0 in their last five bowls, having picked up memorable (that's
sarcasm, BTW) wins in the Pinstripe, St. Petersburg, PapaJohns.com,
International, and Texas bowls going back to 2006.

Does anyone think less of the A&M program, or more of the Rutgers program,
because of their recent bowl records?? I think we all know the answer.






On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 11:03 PM, <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The NHL's "winter classic" (pushed back an hour because of too much
> unwintry warmth) is a media creation.
>
> NU has lost nine straight bowl games. That is a fact. Not a nice one but a
> fact.
>
> I see your point here -- and I agree the monkey was perhaps a bad idea --
> but can't blame the media for NU bowl futility.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
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From DPENDERG at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 10:30:53 2012
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 11:30:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
Message-ID: <4f63.9d7ec2f.3c3335bd@aol.com>

For the record and from a very reliable source (on the coaching staff at NU 
 after Ara left), Ara was not seduced by the prestige of coaching in South  
Bend.  He wanted to stay in Evanston but was basically pushed out (or  
encouraged to leave) by then AD Stu Holcomb.  The exact reason is hard  to 
determine, but it's not fair to think Ara bolted from NU in the way that  Barnett 
did some 30 years later. Ara obviously, however, fared  much better in his 
post-NU career than Barnett did at Colorado. 
 
 
In a message dated 1/1/2012 8:52:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  n
olan at tssi.com writes:

Back in  Ara's day at NU, coaches didn't get the kinds of salaries, shoe 
payments,  
TV show appearance fees, commercial endorsements, etc. that they get  now.  

That didn't start happening until the early 70's.   

Bob Devaney remarked around the time he retired as Nebraska's AD that  Tom 
Osborne
was making something like 10 times what he got in his last year  as a coach 
('72)
and even that was a lot more than he got when he was hired  at Nebraska 
('63).  

I suspect Notre Dame paid more than  Northwestern did back then, but I 
don't really
think that was the factor  with Ara, I think the prestige of coaching at 
Notre Dame 
was irresistable,  especially to a coach who didn't have purple in his 
veins.  

These  days I doubt Notre Dame is THE destination job for coaches, and  the
unrealistic expectations probably justify the money, because I doubt  any 
coach 
is going to last long there.  

Holtz was 100-30-2  and left for 'undisclosed reasons'.  (The rumors at the 
time was
that  some Notre Dame administrators didn't want him to surpass Rockne's 
105  wins.).  
So far none of his successors have come remotely close to  his win-loss 
record there.
--
Mike  Nolan

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From scottzel at gmail.com  Mon Jan  2 14:39:27 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 12:39:27 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
Message-ID: <CAHChqvhODb_PHS42-9_P4hJamgY5f9bAhFgHugDBP3Np23xODA@mail.gmail.com>

In all 9 bowl losses we were underdogs, by an average of 8.5 points. We
were supposed to lose all those games.

Had we been in Detroit or SF this year we would have been favored. So I
will still disagree with those on the panel who feel we should be in the
"best bowl possible."

No one will ever remember that the Meinicke Bowl was "higher" than the
"Fight Hunger" Bowl, only that we lost.

Still hurting about the Outback and Auburn, we should have won that game, I
still go over those last few minutes in my head thinking maybe I will wake
up in a different parallel universe where the outcome was different. Then
we wouldn't be having this conversation!

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  2 15:01:25 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:01:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The only thing less impressive than the attendance at
	today's bowl games ...
Message-ID: <1325538085.28611.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... seems to be the Big Ten, sadly.

It's kind of like NU's bowl streak in that it's different schools/players/coaches -- but I'm just sick of hearing about it nevertheless. PSU just came out awfully flat, UNL cooled down after a surprising first quarter and I could care less about the Gator Bowl and have been avoiding it on any channel surfing for fear of upchucking when I hear about Urban. At least Sparty is showing some life late - but like NU, it might be too little too late.

Thank goodness there's hockey on. :)

Of course, the Big Ten could erase all the talk with B(C)S wins - Smug Smirk and Bobby Bacala need to bring their best efforts to make sure we get those two games and at least have that to hang a hat on.

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Jan  2 15:02:30 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:02:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvhODb_PHS42-9_P4hJamgY5f9bAhFgHugDBP3Np23xODA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120102210230.29829653F3@romaine.tssi.com>

I thought we were favored against Bowling Green in the 2003 Motor City Bowl.
--
Mike Nolan


> In all 9 bowl losses we were underdogs, by an average of 8.5 points. We
> were supposed to lose all those games.
> 
> Had we been in Detroit or SF this year we would have been favored. So I
> will still disagree with those on the panel who feel we should be in the
> "best bowl possible."
> 
> No one will ever remember that the Meinicke Bowl was "higher" than the
> "Fight Hunger" Bowl, only that we lost.
> 
> Still hurting about the Outback and Auburn, we should have won that game, I
> still go over those last few minutes in my head thinking maybe I will wake
> up in a different parallel universe where the outcome was different. Then
> we wouldn't be having this conversation!

We SHOULD have won the Rose Bowl.

Wasn't Keyshawn Johnson later ruled to have been ineligible?
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 15:03:24 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:03:24 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvhODb_PHS42-9_P4hJamgY5f9bAhFgHugDBP3Np23xODA@mail.gmail.com>
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Speaking of the Outback, great game going on, with stirring comeback by Sparty, but there are sure a lot of seats with no fannies in them (and not 'cause fans are standing) on a day with good weather (unlike our game with Auburn).
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0

In all 9 bowl losses we were underdogs, by an average of 8.5 points. We
were supposed to lose all those games.

Had we been in Detroit or SF this year we would have been favored. So I
will still disagree with those on the panel who feel we should be in the
"best bowl possible."

No one will ever remember that the Meinicke Bowl was "higher" than the
"Fight Hunger" Bowl, only that we lost.

Still hurting about the Outback and Auburn, we should have won that game, I
still go over those last few minutes in my head thinking maybe I will wake
up in a different parallel universe where the outcome was different. Then
we wouldn't be having this conversation!
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From jintsjason at me.com  Mon Jan  2 15:08:50 2012
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2012 13:08:50 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
In-Reply-To: <20120102210230.29829653F3@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20120102210230.29829653F3@romaine.tssi.com>
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On the plus side - they just announced that this is dOSU's first season with seven losses since 1897!

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On Jan 2, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:

> I thought we were favored against Bowling Green in the 2003 Motor City Bowl.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
> 
>> In all 9 bowl losses we were underdogs, by an average of 8.5 points. We
>> were supposed to lose all those games.
>> 
>> Had we been in Detroit or SF this year we would have been favored. So I
>> will still disagree with those on the panel who feel we should be in the
>> "best bowl possible."
>> 
>> No one will ever remember that the Meinicke Bowl was "higher" than the
>> "Fight Hunger" Bowl, only that we lost.
>> 
>> Still hurting about the Outback and Auburn, we should have won that game, I
>> still go over those last few minutes in my head thinking maybe I will wake
>> up in a different parallel universe where the outcome was different. Then
>> we wouldn't be having this conversation!
> 
> We SHOULD have won the Rose Bowl.
> 
> Wasn't Keyshawn Johnson later ruled to have been ineligible?
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Mon Jan  2 15:12:01 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:12:01 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
In-Reply-To: <20120102210230.29829653F3@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <CAHChqvhODb_PHS42-9_P4hJamgY5f9bAhFgHugDBP3Np23xODA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20120102210230.29829653F3@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu5raYPC0LQDXHODTh4Lbbf9Z2QMFBZOjfheqv+=gHW8yQ@mail.gmail.com>

Regarding the 2003 Motor City Bowl vs Bowling Green: NU (6-6) was a 7 point
underdog to 10-3 Bowling Green, who lost the MAC Championship game but was
a respectable team under former NU assistant Gregg Brandon.

I think Keshawn may have been ruled ineligible for part of USC's season,
but I'm not sure they formally vacated the game (not that such
after-the-fact retractions actually mean anything).

Anyways I still believe NU should strive to play in the best bowl possible
and should give it all to win that bowl game.  I agree with all of those
who have stated that a 1-9 all-time bowl record is much better than a 1-0
record.

Jonathan

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On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> I thought we were favored against Bowling Green in the 2003 Motor City
> Bowl.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
>
> > In all 9 bowl losses we were underdogs, by an average of 8.5 points. We
> > were supposed to lose all those games.
> >
> > Had we been in Detroit or SF this year we would have been favored. So I
> > will still disagree with those on the panel who feel we should be in the
> > "best bowl possible."
> >
> > No one will ever remember that the Meinicke Bowl was "higher" than the
> > "Fight Hunger" Bowl, only that we lost.
> >
> > Still hurting about the Outback and Auburn, we should have won that
> game, I
> > still go over those last few minutes in my head thinking maybe I will
> wake
> > up in a different parallel universe where the outcome was different. Then
> > we wouldn't be having this conversation!
>
> We SHOULD have won the Rose Bowl.
>
> Wasn't Keyshawn Johnson later ruled to have been ineligible?
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>

From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 15:12:12 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:12:12 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
Message-ID: <630845986-1325538742-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-338205085-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

I seem to recall us by dogs by about 4. But could be wrong

Harry
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Sent: Jan 2, 2012 1:02 PM

I thought we were favored against Bowling Green in the 2003 Motor City Bowl.
--
Mike Nolan


> In all 9 bowl losses we were underdogs, by an average of 8.5 points. We
> were supposed to lose all those games.
> 
> Had we been in Detroit or SF this year we would have been favored. So I
> will still disagree with those on the panel who feel we should be in the
> "best bowl possible."
> 
> No one will ever remember that the Meinicke Bowl was "higher" than the
> "Fight Hunger" Bowl, only that we lost.
> 
> Still hurting about the Outback and Auburn, we should have won that game, I
> still go over those last few minutes in my head thinking maybe I will wake
> up in a different parallel universe where the outcome was different. Then
> we wouldn't be having this conversation!

We SHOULD have won the Rose Bowl.

Wasn't Keyshawn Johnson later ruled to have been ineligible?
--
Mike Nolan

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 15:19:39 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:19:39 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu5raYPC0LQDXHODTh4Lbbf9Z2QMFBZOjfheqv+=gHW8yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHChqvhODb_PHS42-9_P4hJamgY5f9bAhFgHugDBP3Np23xODA@mail.gmail.com>
 <20120102210230.29829653F3@romaine.tssi.com>
 <CAAxRJu5raYPC0LQDXHODTh4Lbbf9Z2QMFBZOjfheqv+=gHW8yQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I do think USC forfeited the Rose Bowl to us at a later date but Barnett said if we didn't win it on the field, he didnt want it

I sure as heck don't count it. I saw us lose to a team we could have beaten. Just wish SC had played by the rules and had keyshawn ineligible. Just as whoever was runner to Bush for the Heisman I'm sure doesnt consider himself the winner.  

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:12:01 
To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
Cc: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0

Regarding the 2003 Motor City Bowl vs Bowling Green: NU (6-6) was a 7 point
underdog to 10-3 Bowling Green, who lost the MAC Championship game but was
a respectable team under former NU assistant Gregg Brandon.

I think Keshawn may have been ruled ineligible for part of USC's season,
but I'm not sure they formally vacated the game (not that such
after-the-fact retractions actually mean anything).

Anyways I still believe NU should strive to play in the best bowl possible
and should give it all to win that bowl game.  I agree with all of those
who have stated that a 1-9 all-time bowl record is much better than a 1-0
record.

Jonathan

--
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Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> I thought we were favored against Bowling Green in the 2003 Motor City
> Bowl.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
>
> > In all 9 bowl losses we were underdogs, by an average of 8.5 points. We
> > were supposed to lose all those games.
> >
> > Had we been in Detroit or SF this year we would have been favored. So I
> > will still disagree with those on the panel who feel we should be in the
> > "best bowl possible."
> >
> > No one will ever remember that the Meinicke Bowl was "higher" than the
> > "Fight Hunger" Bowl, only that we lost.
> >
> > Still hurting about the Outback and Auburn, we should have won that
> game, I
> > still go over those last few minutes in my head thinking maybe I will
> wake
> > up in a different parallel universe where the outcome was different. Then
> > we wouldn't be having this conversation!
>
> We SHOULD have won the Rose Bowl.
>
> Wasn't Keyshawn Johnson later ruled to have been ineligible?
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan  2 15:20:03 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:20:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Bad day for Big 10 Red Teams
Message-ID: <000001ccc994$4b7fc7f0$e27f57d0$@com>

dOSU and Nebraska both are getting beat, about like NU at A&M.

Wiscy and Mich now have to try to redeem the Big 10's Honor tonight.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
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------------------------------------------------
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Jan  2 15:22:08 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:22:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu5raYPC0LQDXHODTh4Lbbf9Z2QMFBZOjfheqv+=gHW8yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120102212208.B0AB0653FC@romaine.tssi.com>

> Anyways I still believe NU should strive to play in the best bowl possible
> and should give it all to win that bowl game.  I agree with all of those
> who have stated that a 1-9 all-time bowl record is much better than a 1-0
> record.

Our bowl record is better than our NCAA men's basketball tournament record,
too!

Looks like the Big Ten's New Years Day blitz strategy is backfiring--again.
The only good part about it is I haven't been able to watch most of
the games!  (The Nebraska game was bad enough!)
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 15:23:33 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:23:33 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Bad day for Big 10 Red Teams
In-Reply-To: <000001ccc994$4b7fc7f0$e27f57d0$@com>
References: <000001ccc994$4b7fc7f0$e27f57d0$@com>
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There is no doubt the SEC is better than the BT on the field. Whether they stretch and break rules more than the BT does is another matter

Harry
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Subject: [NU Sports] Bad day for Big 10 Red Teams

dOSU and Nebraska both are getting beat, about like NU at A&M.

Wiscy and Mich now have to try to redeem the Big 10's Honor tonight.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Jan  2 15:27:12 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:27:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
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> Just as whoever was runner to Bush for the Heisman I'm sure doesnt consider himself the winner.

Neither does the Heisman committee, they vacated the winner for that year rather than give 
the runner-up a trophy.
--
Mike Nolan


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 15:37:25 2012
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:37:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bad day for Big 10 Red Teams
Message-ID: <8610.6fb804a2.3c337d94@aol.com>

sparty comeback, overtime likely

From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 15:38:43 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:38:43 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
Message-ID: <589180720-1325540324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-469322211-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Tie game--way to go Sparty!  Reminds me of another insane Outback--hope the finish is different!
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> Just as whoever was runner to Bush for the Heisman I'm sure doesnt consider himself the winner.

Neither does the Heisman committee, they vacated the winner for that year rather than give 
the runner-up a trophy.
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Jan  2 15:40:57 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 15:40:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu5raYPC0LQDXHODTh4Lbbf9Z2QMFBZOjfheqv+=gHW8yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120102214057.E45426540B@romaine.tssi.com>

> I think Keshawn may have been ruled ineligible for part of USC's season,
> but I'm not sure they formally vacated the game (not that such
> after-the-fact retractions actually mean anything).

You won't find anything about USC vacating ther Rose Bowl win
on either the USC site on Wiki or on the Rose Bowl site.

Michigan State got to overtime, making this the only really interesting
game so far today.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  2 15:45:52 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:45:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
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Message-ID: <1325540752.46258.YahooMailNeo@web121704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Yeah, bowl blitz pretty much sucks all around for the Big Ten -- I have no idea why the games aren't staggered so the fans could at least see some of them. Judging by the vast amount of empty seats across Florida and in Dallas, they sure weren't seeing them in person.

Maybe we can work out a deal with the Pac 10 and get more prime time bowls throughout "Bowl Week" (plus or minus 10 days) instead of this? We could have the Holiday Bowl one night, Alamo the next ... keep the SEC tie with Tampa (since that seems preferable over Orlando for fans and now since they're the same time anyway), but look at more spread out games in prime time (since January 1 has also lost its meaning as bowl day - thanks B(C)S).

The only good thing about this glut of games at once is that you only have to deal with the "SEC is so much better than the Big Ten" (well duh - no one is contesting that, we're contesting that the Big Ten isn't #2!) stories once.

Nice comeback by Sparty - hope they can pull it out in OT. Reminiscent of our Outback game (with a bit less scoring).

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
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?
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 From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
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Speaking of the Outback, great game going on, with stirring comeback by Sparty, but there are sure a lot of seats with no fannies in them (and not 'cause fans are standing) on a day with good weather (unlike our game with Auburn).
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Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0

In all 9 bowl losses we were underdogs, by an average of 8.5 points. We
were supposed to lose all those games.

Had we been in Detroit or SF this year we would have been favored. So I
will still disagree with those on the panel who feel we should be in the
"best bowl possible."

No one will ever remember that the Meinicke Bowl was "higher" than the
"Fight Hunger" Bowl, only that we lost.

Still hurting about the Outback and Auburn, we should have won that game, I
still go over those last few minutes in my head thinking maybe I will wake
up in a different parallel universe where the outcome was different. Then
we wouldn't be having this conversation!
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Jan  2 15:47:14 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 16:47:14 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU's Kirk Cousins
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22CC8@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Seems like a great kid.  NU offered him walk-on status after the Wildcats had committed to Dan Persa.

The drive he just led to tie the game was a thing of beauty - great leadership, poise and execution.

Interesting that there was no discussion among the announcers of MSU possibly going for two - - do or die, rather than OT with a PAT.  If it had been Pat Fitz and a Cats team with a Bowl drought, NU might have gone for the two-point conversion.

A bad snap almost doomed MSU's PAT. 


From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 15:52:48 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:52:48 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
Message-ID: <1072255157-1325541168-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-478297163-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Wide right--in Tampa--deja vu all over again, to quote Yogi Berra.
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Sent: Jan 2, 2012 4:27 PM

> Just as whoever was runner to Bush for the Heisman I'm sure doesnt consider himself the winner.

Neither does the Heisman committee, they vacated the winner for that year rather than give 
the runner-up a trophy.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  2 15:52:47 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 13:52:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Interesting call ...
Message-ID: <1325541167.64755.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Not sure why UGa would not even try to move closer and kneel on SECOND down, kicking on third down???

They must really respect Sparty's D.

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 15:54:49 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:54:49 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU's Kirk Cousins
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I had same thought Willie, especially since Dantonio is a gambler.
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Seems like a great kid.  NU offered him walk-on status after the Wildcats had committed to Dan Persa.

The drive he just led to tie the game was a thing of beauty - great leadership, poise and execution.

Interesting that there was no discussion among the announcers of MSU possibly going for two - - do or die, rather than OT with a PAT.  If it had been Pat Fitz and a Cats team with a Bowl drought, NU might have gone for the two-point conversion.

A bad snap almost doomed MSU's PAT. 

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 15:54:55 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:54:55 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
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Thought same thing. Crazy in my mind not to attempt further yardage before attempt 
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Wide right--in Tampa--deja vu all over again, to quote Yogi Berra.
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> Just as whoever was runner to Bush for the Heisman I'm sure doesnt consider himself the winner.

Neither does the Heisman committee, they vacated the winner for that year rather than give 
the runner-up a trophy.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  2 16:12:01 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:12:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] No matter ...
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... how messed up the B(C)S is, and how much it has ruined bowl traditions (and ticket sales) and spoiled the ending to all the great seasons ...

There's just a sense of magic when you see the national anthem played in the Rose Bowl and goosebumps when that sun starts to set in Pasadena.

Not even the B(C)S idiots can screw that up (well, except when the put teams from Florida or Texas or Oklahoma or so in OUR game!).

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 16:14:38 2012
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:14:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting about streak 2.0
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Per Phil Steele 2011 College Football Preview Stats, we were 7 point underdogs for the 2003 Motor City Bowl.  It was the Golden Era for the MAC as wins were common against BCS foes; BGSU was ranked 21st at season end. I remember, some guy named Ben Rosenheimer or something like that QB'd for Miami (Oh.) .


We were 2 point 'dogs for The Sun Bowl; for some reason I thought it was more. These 2 games, the Rose and Outback are the ones that got away.


I have a lot to say about the atm loss; will comment when I have more time (i.e.-slow typer) .  It was nice out the basketball team took State Penn out in the 2nd half last night.  Talk about depressing if we lose that game as well as the Bowl game.  The Illinois game is a big one.


   GO CATS!!         Eric



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I thought we were favored against Bowling Green in the 2003 Motor City Bowl.
--
Mike Nolan


> In all 9 bowl losses we were underdogs, by an average of 8.5 points. We
> were supposed to lose all those games.
> 
> Had we been in Detroit or SF this year we would have been favored. So I
> will still disagree with those on the panel who feel we should be in the
> "best bowl possible."
> 
> No one will ever remember that the Meinicke Bowl was "higher" than the
> "Fight Hunger" Bowl, only that we lost.
> 
> Still hurting about the Outback and Auburn, we should have won that game, I
> still go over those last few minutes in my head thinking maybe I will wake
> up in a different parallel universe where the outcome was different. Then
> we wouldn't be having this conversation!

We SHOULD have won the Rose Bowl.

Wasn't Keyshawn Johnson later ruled to have been ineligible?
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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 16:14:58 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:14:58 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU's Kirk Cousins
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Sparty wins!
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I had same thought Willie, especially since Dantonio is a gambler.
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Seems like a great kid.  NU offered him walk-on status after the Wildcats had committed to Dan Persa.

The drive he just led to tie the game was a thing of beauty - great leadership, poise and execution.

Interesting that there was no discussion among the announcers of MSU possibly going for two - - do or die, rather than OT with a PAT.  If it had been Pat Fitz and a Cats team with a Bowl drought, NU might have gone for the two-point conversion.

A bad snap almost doomed MSU's PAT. 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  2 16:15:39 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:15:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Genuinely happy
Message-ID: <1325542539.74309.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... for Cousins and Dantonio. Great win, Sparty!

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 16:24:45 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:24:45 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Genuinely happy
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Agree with you all the way on this, Stephen.  What a thrilloinh, well-played game--at least after halftime.  MSU's defense was so stout in OT.
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... for Cousins and Dantonio. Great win, Sparty!

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  2 16:36:33 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 14:36:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Aaaaand they're OFF!
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Score, score, score in Pasadena so far! As long as the Smug Smirk sticks with the game plan, I like their chances to wear down the Ducks.

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!

PS - It's embarrassing to look at the grass in Pasadena and compare it with the field we played on in Houston - WOW!

PPS - Shouldn't Oregon's helmets be illegal -- like a guy who brings tin foil to shine in the eyes of players at a baseball game or something? All they need to do to distract receivers is lower their helmets. :)
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 From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
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Agree with you all the way on this, Stephen.? What a thrilloinh, well-played game--at least after halftime.? MSU's defense was so stout in OT.
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... for Cousins and Dantonio. Great win, Sparty!

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 17:09:53 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:09:53 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl Update
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The Grandaddy ain't ever seen nuthin' like this wingding.  21-21 with 10;36 left in the half.  Can you say Alamo Bowl?
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Jan  2 19:44:40 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 19:44:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Pin this loss on Bielema?
Message-ID: <20120103014440.66E33653EC@romaine.tssi.com>

Bad clock management at the start of the 3rd quarter cost Wisconsin 
two time outs that would have made a BIG difference at the end.

So, like happened a number of times with his predecessor at Wisconsin, 
this was a loss in large measure because of elementary coaching 
mistakes by the head coach.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  2 19:44:53 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 17:44:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Hmmm ...
Message-ID: <1325555093.3194.YahooMailNeo@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Godfather Barry never lost a Rose Bowl.

The Smug Smirk of Cheddarland has now lost two agonizingly close Rose Bowl games where some curious coaching decisions have been made by the man in red.

And now he loses his best assistant ... His job is obviously safe, but Bielema may be feeling a bit of pressure if he keeps losing big games.

Good game in Pasadena - both had their chances and both did a lot to blow chances (what was that "defense" Oregon was playing at the end???).

Go Blue!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Mon Jan  2 20:09:28 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:09:28 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Pin this loss on Bielema?
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It wasn't his fault that the WR lost a fumble when Wisconsin had a 1st down
around the Oregon 30.

But, it was his fault that they tried to spike it at the end instead of
just running a play to the end zone with 2 seconds left.

In any case, an entertaining game.

Jonathan

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On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> Bad clock management at the start of the 3rd quarter cost Wisconsin
> two time outs that would have made a BIG difference at the end.
>
> So, like happened a number of times with his predecessor at Wisconsin,
> this was a loss in large measure because of elementary coaching
> mistakes by the head coach.
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>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Jan  2 21:33:39 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 03:33:39 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Pin this loss on Bielema?
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Wilson should have done a fake spike a la Dan Marino against the Jets about 15 years ago, and then thrown the bomb.
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Pin this loss on Bielema?

It wasn't his fault that the WR lost a fumble when Wisconsin had a 1st down
around the Oregon 30.

But, it was his fault that they tried to spike it at the end instead of
just running a play to the end zone with 2 seconds left.

In any case, an entertaining game.

Jonathan

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On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> Bad clock management at the start of the 3rd quarter cost Wisconsin
> two time outs that would have made a BIG difference at the end.
>
> So, like happened a number of times with his predecessor at Wisconsin,
> this was a loss in large measure because of elementary coaching
> mistakes by the head coach.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  2 21:58:34 2012
From: r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net (Roger Beckwith)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:58:34 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] bowl frustrations
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Ara's departure - This is actually something I know about (unlike my prediction that no bowl would want PSU) from a couple of his players and a contemporary coach who is still at NU.  Shouldn't be hard to figure out who that is.  Holcomb was fed up with Ara's flirtations with other schools. When ND came calling Ara told Holcomb he was taking the job and drove to SB to accept.  But on the way back he changed his mind and called Holcomb from a pay phone to say that he was staying at NU to which Holcomb said no. So Ara ended up in SB after all. 

Roger


On Jan 2, 2012, at 10:30 AM, DPENDERG at aol.com wrote:

> For the record and from a very reliable source (on the coaching staff at NU 
> after Ara left), Ara was not seduced by the prestige of coaching in South  
> Bend.  He wanted to stay in Evanston but was basically pushed out (or  
> encouraged to leave) by then AD Stu Holcomb.  The exact reason is hard  to 
> determine, but it's not fair to think Ara bolted from NU in the way that  Barnett 
> did some 30 years later. Ara obviously, however, fared  much better in his 
> post-NU career than Barnett did at Colorado. 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/1/2012 8:52:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  n
> olan at tssi.com writes:
> 
> Back in  Ara's day at NU, coaches didn't get the kinds of salaries, shoe 
> payments,  
> TV show appearance fees, commercial endorsements, etc. that they get  now.  
> 
> That didn't start happening until the early 70's.   
> 
> Bob Devaney remarked around the time he retired as Nebraska's AD that  Tom 
> Osborne
> was making something like 10 times what he got in his last year  as a coach 
> ('72)
> and even that was a lot more than he got when he was hired  at Nebraska 
> ('63).  
> 
> I suspect Notre Dame paid more than  Northwestern did back then, but I 
> don't really
> think that was the factor  with Ara, I think the prestige of coaching at 
> Notre Dame 
> was irresistable,  especially to a coach who didn't have purple in his 
> veins.  
> 
> These  days I doubt Notre Dame is THE destination job for coaches, and  the
> unrealistic expectations probably justify the money, because I doubt  any 
> coach 
> is going to last long there.  
> 
> Holtz was 100-30-2  and left for 'undisclosed reasons'.  (The rumors at the 
> time was
> that  some Notre Dame administrators didn't want him to surpass Rockne's 
> 105  wins.).  
> So far none of his successors have come remotely close to  his win-loss 
> record there.
> --
> Mike  Nolan
> 
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Jan  2 22:01:03 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 22:01:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Pin this loss on Bielema?
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There was something like the fake spike in a game in the last week or so, too.

However, had Wisconsin not blown two time outs early in the third quarter,
one of them by trying to challenge an unchallengable play (they would
have probably lost a challenge anyway), they might have had the ball 
back with over a minute left rather than 16 seconds.  

Stanford is back in the lead in Tempe.  Okie State is not looking like
a team that would have blown either LSU or 'Bama away.  
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Jan  2 23:03:37 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 23:03:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Genuinely happy
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Message-ID: <20120103050337.63E3A6112C@romaine.tssi.com>

> ... for Cousins and Dantonio. Great win, Sparty!

I'm genuinely happy Cousins has finished his eligiblity!

My friends in Stillwater may need as much oxygen as the
players in Tempe by now!

--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  2 23:19:59 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2012 21:19:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ignore those first three games of the day ...
Message-ID: <1325567999.60921.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... this has been one heck of a bowl day with Sparty/UGa, the Rose Bowl and now Stanford/Okie State. Haven't seen all of any of the games, but the final few minutes of each have sure been fun.

For overall days, this harkens back to 2000, when you had a wild Purdue/UGa Outback Bowl, the Sparty/Gator Citrus, a dull but close Wisky/Stanford Rose Bowl and a thrilling nightcap in Miami with Michigan/Bama.

Go Blue!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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________________________________

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan  3 09:59:34 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 10:59:34 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] WSJ: The Big 10 has seen better days.... ?
Message-ID: <000001ccca30$b081cf80$11856e80$@com>

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550304577137060718207498.html?mod=lifesty
le_newsreel

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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Jan  3 13:54:15 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 14:54:15 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] From Greenstein: No staff changes expected
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu7Ba0K6VFr6+ooo0haLFB8EBNFSo3frWY3LiiYbjM8z5w@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-source-no-staff-changes-for-nu-football-20120103,0,2142893.story?track=rss

I certainly don't agree with it, but looks like Fitz will maintain NU's
loyalty to its assistants, even with diminishing results on the field and a
questionable talent level (particularly on D).  I was hoping at least one
or two changes could help shake things up; instead, at least another year
of the status quo.

Jonathan

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan  3 14:19:52 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:19:52 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] From Greenstein: No staff changes expected
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu7Ba0K6VFr6+ooo0haLFB8EBNFSo3frWY3LiiYbjM8z5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxRJu7Ba0K6VFr6+ooo0haLFB8EBNFSo3frWY3LiiYbjM8z5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101ccca55$0da28f50$28e7adf0$@com>

I would think that swapping the O-Line Coach and the Superbacks Coach would work well.

Just about all of the O-Line guys (with the exception of Ingalls) were moved over from TE.
Patterson, and Cushing are two top recruiters who held the TE/Superbacks job before O-Line

Of course, Cushing did a good job with the front 5 prior to this year, having two
different style QBs might have caused some problems, but 2012 will be the year of the
Colter with zone blocking for a running QB.

If we learned anything from this year's Rose Bowl it is that you can't use a giant O-Line
to grind down a fast defense. I thought that Oregon would be out of gas in the 4th
quarter, but it was Wisconsin that seemed to wear down at the end.

BW - MacPherson, the present recruiting coordinator and RB coach, mirrors the experience
of Jeff Genyck who held that dual role during the Barnett and early RW days.

Maybe all we need to do is go back to recruiting speed and brains, and let the defense
sort itself out, maybe we need more "communications" majors?

I wonder how much the Graduate Assistants do with regards to the special teams? 

rsl

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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 2:54 PM
To: NU Sports Listserv
Subject: [NU Sports] From Greenstein: No staff changes expected

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-source-no-staff-changes-for-nu-football-2
0120103,0,2142893.story?track=rss

I certainly don't agree with it, but looks like Fitz will maintain NU's
loyalty to its assistants, even with diminishing results on the field and a
questionable talent level (particularly on D).  I was hoping at least one
or two changes could help shake things up; instead, at least another year
of the status quo.

Jonathan

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jan  3 14:28:00 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:28:00 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] From Greenstein: No staff changes expected
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu7Ba0K6VFr6+ooo0haLFB8EBNFSo3frWY3LiiYbjM8z5w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxRJu7Ba0K6VFr6+ooo0haLFB8EBNFSo3frWY3LiiYbjM8z5w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C99E1@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Could be true if the unnamed source knows what they are talking about.

I would prefer to wait a little bit and see what happens. 

The impression I got from the Fitz quotes was that he was not happy.  

He, just like us, could see where we were consistently getting beat and
didn't like it.

He said it was not a talent deficit.

He felt that there wasn't enough competition at some of the positions.
The implication is that some players were unable to push themselves to
be the best at their position.  

He also said that the coaching staff would take responsibility for the
weak fundamentals that we saw on the field.

As a player that message is pretty clear.  Everybody is going to have to
earn their 2012 starting jobs.  

I would hope that philosophy also applies to the coaching staff.

It certainly seemed that this team just struggled all season to find
themselves.  They did play an outstanding game at Nebraska, but just got
run over by MSU.  The bowl game was frustrating because they just could
never seem to overcome their own mistakes and take control of a game
that seemed theirs for the taking.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 2:54 PM
To: NU Sports Listserv
Subject: [NU Sports] From Greenstein: No staff changes expected

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-source-no-staff-changes
-for-nu-football-20120103,0,2142893.story?track=rss

I certainly don't agree with it, but looks like Fitz will maintain NU's
loyalty to its assistants, even with diminishing results on the field
and a
questionable talent level (particularly on D).  I was hoping at least
one
or two changes could help shake things up; instead, at least another
year
of the status quo.

Jonathan

--
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Contributor, HailToPurple
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  3 23:18:22 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:18:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten finale ...
Message-ID: <1325654302.32347.YahooMailNeo@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The B(C)S still sucks - but at least the games have been interesting this year for once.

Nice win by coach of the year Hoke and the Wolverines. Once he gets his recruits in there (i.e. linemen who are Michigan size linemen), they're gonna be pretty darn good.

So four B(C)S bowl wins in the last three years for the Big Ten ... 1-0 vs. the SEC / 2-0 vs. the ACC / 1-1 vs. the Pac 12 and 0-1 vs. MWX ... and I can't really say I feel bad that the two losses both came at the hands of the Smug Smirk. At least the bowl season ends on a high note for the league with two thrilling wins by the Michigan teams. We're not the SEC, but no one is. Obviously, we still have two games and a week to go (why?), but over the past four years, the B(C)S records of each league ...

- SEC: 4-2 (will be 5-3 ... with five titles and losses to the SEC, Big Ten and Utah)
- Big Ten: 4-4 (razor close losses to Oregon, TCU and Texas and a bigger loss at USC)
- Pac 12: 3-3 (losses in title game to Auburn and close to Okie State and Ohio State)
- Lil' 12: 3-3 (losses in title game to Bama and Florida and that inexplicable one to West Virginia)
- ACC: 1-3 (Orange Bowl yet to go - only win by VaTech against Cincy)
- Big East: 1-3 (Orange Bowl yet to go - only win by WV against Oklahoma)
- Non AQs: 2-0 (Utah over Bama, TCU over Wisky)

So on to next year ...

* Michigan and Michigan State look like the cream of the crop in the Northwest Division, though UNL will be in the mix ... Iowa and NU are big ???s and Minny is, well, rebuilding
* Wisconsin should cruise through the Southeast with OSU and PSU rebuilding from disaster, Purdue in the middle and Indiana and Ill-noise rebuilding

So while our schedule is the best it will be in the next three years, we're definitely in the tough division next year.

Bowl standings should be out soon after the glut of games and woefully mislabeled "Bowl Week" finally comes to an end.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  3 23:29:37 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2012 21:29:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten finale ...
In-Reply-To: <1325654302.32347.YahooMailNeo@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1325654302.32347.YahooMailNeo@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1325654977.83422.YahooMailNeo@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Oops - forgot the Boise/TCU game and that Okie/WV was five years ago.

So make the Big XII 3-2 and Big East 0-3
... and the non AQs are 3-1, only losing to another NAQ in the Boise/TCU game.

GO CATS!!!

-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2012 10:18 PM
Subject: Big Ten finale ...
 

The B(C)S still sucks - but at least the games have been interesting this year for once.

Nice win by coach of the year Hoke and the Wolverines. Once he gets his recruits in there (i.e. linemen who are Michigan size linemen), they're gonna be pretty darn good.

So four B(C)S bowl wins in the last three years for the Big Ten ... 1-0 vs. the SEC / 2-0 vs. the ACC / 1-1 vs. the Pac 12 and 0-1 vs. MWX ... and I can't really say I feel bad that the two losses both came at the hands of the Smug Smirk. At least the bowl season ends on a high note for the league with two thrilling wins by the Michigan teams. We're not the SEC, but no one is. Obviously, we still have two games and a week to go (why?), but over the past four years, the B(C)S records of each league ...

- SEC: 4-2
 (will be 5-3 ... with five titles and losses to the SEC, Big Ten and Utah)
- Big Ten: 4-4 (razor close losses to Oregon, TCU and Texas and a bigger loss at USC)
- Pac 12: 3-3 (losses in title game to Auburn and close to Okie State and Ohio State)
- Lil' 12: 3-3 (losses in title game to Bama and Florida and that inexplicable one to West Virginia)
- ACC: 1-3 (Orange Bowl yet to go - only win by VaTech against Cincy)
- Big East: 1-3 (Orange Bowl yet to go - only win by WV against Oklahoma)
- Non AQs: 2-0 (Utah over Bama, TCU over Wisky)

So on to next year ...

* Michigan and Michigan State look like the cream of the crop in the Northwest Division, though UNL will be in the mix ... Iowa and NU are big ???s and Minny is, well, rebuilding
* Wisconsin should cruise through the Southeast with OSU and PSU rebuilding from disaster, Purdue in the middle and Indiana and Ill-noise rebuilding

So while our schedule is the best it will be in the next three years, we're definitely in the tough division next year.

Bowl standings should be out soon after the glut of games and woefully mislabeled "Bowl Week" finally comes to an end.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Jan  4 00:51:35 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 00:51:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten finale ...
In-Reply-To: <1325654302.32347.YahooMailNeo@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120104065135.7980565429@romaine.tssi.com>

> * Michigan and Michigan State look like the cream of the crop in the Northw=
> est Division, though UNL will be in the mix ... Iowa and NU are big ???s an=
> d Minny is, well, rebuilding
> * Wisconsin should cruise through the Southeast with OSU and PSU rebuilding=
>  from disaster, Purdue in the middle and Indiana and Ill-noise rebuilding

Most people out here think Nebraska has a LOT of questions to answer, 
especially on their once-vaunted defense.  With Carl Pelini gone to
FIU, there will be a new DC, though Bo Pelini seems to play a big
role in defense.  The offense could be more consistent, the reports here
are that TM, who will be a junior, plans to work on his throwing mechanics 
for next season, he still looks like someone who is shot-putting jello.  

Burkhead will be a senior, but was showing signs of being over-used this season.
(30+ carries is way too much to expect of any running back.)  

Odd that Virginia Tech lost tonight because of special teams issues when
that's been their forte for the last 10+ years.  (Frank Beamer is their
special teams coach.)

I like Fitz, but I'm not convinced he grew much as a coach this year.  
Standing pat (pun not intended) with the assistant coaches is a high 
risk decision for him.  Maybe he's right (like Paterno was a few seasons back), 
but 2012 will be a critical year for him, and 2013-2014 look brutal, especially 
with the obvious resurgence at Michigan.  
--
Mike Nolan


From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jan  4 06:14:08 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:14:08 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky
Message-ID: <8B6B6B1971194C3E8A4E1E6557CD474D@dennismachine>

Bleacherreport.com says "The Michigan Wolverines are back! . . .  Brady Hoke has proven that the right coaching staff can make all of the difference."

Michigan may well be "back" and Brady Hoke may be their savior, but they won the Sugar Bowl thanks to Dame Fortune smiling on several passes that should have been picked and Virginia Tech's coach Frank Beamer's really stupid decision to try a fake punt at midfield.  His play calling was ultra conservative too, especially in Tech's final drive.  A win is a win, but the Big Ten shouldn't crow over this one too loudly.  Two victories by gnat's eyelashes in overtime do not a powerful conference make.

From hudhaifa3 at aol.com  Wed Jan  4 06:17:01 2012
From: hudhaifa3 at aol.com (joe amore)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:17:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky
In-Reply-To: <8B6B6B1971194C3E8A4E1E6557CD474D@dennismachine>
References: <8B6B6B1971194C3E8A4E1E6557CD474D@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <8CE98F1E5F0D016-24A8-7D901@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com>

I WISH NORTHWESTERN WOULD GET LUCKY ONE YEAR



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:14 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky


Bleacherreport.com says "The Michigan Wolverines are back! . . .  Brady Hoke has 
roven that the right coaching staff can make all of the difference."
Michigan may well be "back" and Brady Hoke may be their savior, but they won the 
ugar Bowl thanks to Dame Fortune smiling on several passes that should have 
een picked and Virginia Tech's coach Frank Beamer's really stupid decision to 
ry a fake punt at midfield.  His play calling was ultra conservative too, 
specially in Tech's final drive.  A win is a win, but the Big Ten shouldn't 
row over this one too loudly.  Two victories by gnat's eyelashes in overtime do 
ot a powerful conference make.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jan  4 06:32:37 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 07:32:37 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky
References: <8B6B6B1971194C3E8A4E1E6557CD474D@dennismachine>
 <8CE98F1E5F0D016-24A8-7D901@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <A9ABB195F1BC4BC592445DA7971570C0@dennismachine>

<I WISH NORTHWESTERN WOULD GET LUCKY ONE YEAR

Ain't that the truth!

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
  To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
  Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:14 pm
  Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky


Bleacherreport.com says "The Michigan Wolverines are back! . . .  Brady Hoke has 
proven that the right coaching staff can make all of the difference."

Michigan may well be "back" and Brady Hoke may be their savior, but they won the 
Sugar Bowl thanks to Dame Fortune smiling on several passes that should have 
been picked and Virginia Tech's coach Frank Beamer's really stupid decision to 
try a fake punt at midfield.  His play calling was ultra conservative too, 
especially in Tech's final drive.  A win is a win, but the Big Ten shouldn't 
crow over this one too loudly.  Two victories by gnat's eyelashes in overtime do 
not a powerful conference make.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan  4 07:56:04 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 08:56:04 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky
In-Reply-To: <A9ABB195F1BC4BC592445DA7971570C0@dennismachine>
References: <8B6B6B1971194C3E8A4E1E6557CD474D@dennismachine>
 <8CE98F1E5F0D016-24A8-7D901@webmail-d139.sysops.aol.com>
 <A9ABB195F1BC4BC592445DA7971570C0@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <001601cccae8$9a58b530$cf0a1f90$@com>

Old time coaches will always say, "You Make your OWN luck."

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
  those of any organizations of which I am a member.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
W. Brandt
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:33 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com; joe amore
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky

<I WISH NORTHWESTERN WOULD GET LUCKY ONE YEAR

Ain't that the truth!

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
  To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
  Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:14 pm
  Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky


Bleacherreport.com says "The Michigan Wolverines are back! . . .  Brady Hoke has 
proven that the right coaching staff can make all of the difference."

Michigan may well be "back" and Brady Hoke may be their savior, but they won the 
Sugar Bowl thanks to Dame Fortune smiling on several passes that should have 
been picked and Virginia Tech's coach Frank Beamer's really stupid decision to 
try a fake punt at midfield.  His play calling was ultra conservative too, 
especially in Tech's final drive.  A win is a win, but the Big Ten shouldn't 
crow over this one too loudly.  Two victories by gnat's eyelashes in overtime do 
not a powerful conference make.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Jan  4 08:04:26 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:04:26 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten finale ...
References: <20120104065135.7980565429@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC14485A@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I agree that this is a critical year for Fitz and his staff.
 
Michigan appeared to get some Sugar Bowl karma make good from the no-call that cost them the Iowa game.
 
What is more important, the whole "Michigan is back" narrative has worked wonders on the recruiting trail.  The various tracking services have Michigan's 2012 recruiting class in the top 10 in the country with a couple as high as 2 or 3.  Combine that with fact that when these recruits actually get on the field, OSU is going to be playing with 9 fewer scholarship athletes, the future is bright in AA.
 
It's time for NU to take the next step too.  This year will be the first team in the Fitz era with only his recruits.
 
Jeff

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From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Mike Nolan
Sent: Wed 1/4/2012 1:51 AM
To: sjtruog at yahoo.com
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big Ten finale ...



> * Michigan and Michigan State look like the cream of the crop in the Northw=
> est Division, though UNL will be in the mix ... Iowa and NU are big ???s an=
> d Minny is, well, rebuilding
> * Wisconsin should cruise through the Southeast with OSU and PSU rebuilding=
>  from disaster, Purdue in the middle and Indiana and Ill-noise rebuilding

Most people out here think Nebraska has a LOT of questions to answer,
especially on their once-vaunted defense.  With Carl Pelini gone to
FIU, there will be a new DC, though Bo Pelini seems to play a big
role in defense.  The offense could be more consistent, the reports here
are that TM, who will be a junior, plans to work on his throwing mechanics
for next season, he still looks like someone who is shot-putting jello. 

Burkhead will be a senior, but was showing signs of being over-used this season.
(30+ carries is way too much to expect of any running back.) 

Odd that Virginia Tech lost tonight because of special teams issues when
that's been their forte for the last 10+ years.  (Frank Beamer is their
special teams coach.)

I like Fitz, but I'm not convinced he grew much as a coach this year. 
Standing pat (pun not intended) with the assistant coaches is a high
risk decision for him.  Maybe he's right (like Paterno was a few seasons back),
but 2012 will be a critical year for him, and 2013-2014 look brutal, especially
with the obvious resurgence at Michigan. 
--
Mike Nolan

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Jan  4 08:14:10 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:14:10 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky
In-Reply-To: <001601cccae8$9a58b530$cf0a1f90$@com>
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Yeah - VT's coach made his own BAD luck with the unfathomable fake punt decision.  :)

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky

Old time coaches will always say, "You Make your OWN luck."

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
W. Brandt
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:33 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com; joe amore
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky

<I WISH NORTHWESTERN WOULD GET LUCKY ONE YEAR

Ain't that the truth!

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
  To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
  Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:14 pm
  Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky


Bleacherreport.com says "The Michigan Wolverines are back! . . .  Brady Hoke has
proven that the right coaching staff can make all of the difference."

Michigan may well be "back" and Brady Hoke may be their savior, but they won the
Sugar Bowl thanks to Dame Fortune smiling on several passes that should have
been picked and Virginia Tech's coach Frank Beamer's really stupid decision to
try a fake punt at midfield.  His play calling was ultra conservative too,
especially in Tech's final drive.  A win is a win, but the Big Ten shouldn't
crow over this one too loudly.  Two victories by gnat's eyelashes in overtime do
not a powerful conference make.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Jan  4 08:34:03 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:34:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22D28@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Beamer gave his punter, Danny Coale, the option of kicking or running.  Coale took responsbility for the whole thing.  
 
"I thought I saw an opening with the defensive end coming up the field," Coale said. "But it closed pretty quickly. That's my fault."
 
Coale was also the guy who caught the pass in the end zone in overtime that was overturned on review.
 
Jeff

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From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Wed 1/4/2012 9:14 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky



Yeah - VT's coach made his own BAD luck with the unfathomable fake punt decision.  :)

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Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 08:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky

Old time coaches will always say, "You Make your OWN luck."

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  Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
  those of any organizations of which I am a member.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
W. Brandt
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:33 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com; joe amore
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky

<I WISH NORTHWESTERN WOULD GET LUCKY ONE YEAR

Ain't that the truth!

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
  To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
  Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:14 pm
  Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky


Bleacherreport.com says "The Michigan Wolverines are back! . . .  Brady Hoke has
proven that the right coaching staff can make all of the difference."

Michigan may well be "back" and Brady Hoke may be their savior, but they won the
Sugar Bowl thanks to Dame Fortune smiling on several passes that should have
been picked and Virginia Tech's coach Frank Beamer's really stupid decision to
try a fake punt at midfield.  His play calling was ultra conservative too,
especially in Tech's final drive.  A win is a win, but the Big Ten shouldn't
crow over this one too loudly.  Two victories by gnat's eyelashes in overtime do
not a powerful conference make.
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Jan  4 08:40:53 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 09:40:53 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC14485E@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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Thanks very much for the clarification. Given how well VT's defense was holding UM, seemed it should've been a sure punt.

Regardless of the ruling in OT, that was an incredible effort by Coale - almost an amazing catch.

P.S. Very big men's hoops game for NU vs Illini tonight - Cats favored by 2-1/2 points, according to morning paper. And one team that NU beat, Seton Hall, had a nice victory at home over UConn last night.

From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 09:34 AM
To: Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky

Beamer gave his punter, Danny Coale, the option of kicking or running.  Coale took responsbility for the whole thing.

?I thought I saw an opening with the defensive end coming up the field,? Coale said. ?But it closed pretty quickly. That?s my fault.?

Coale was also the guy who caught the pass in the end zone in overtime that was overturned on review.

Jeff

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From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Wed 1/4/2012 9:14 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky


Yeah - VT's coach made his own BAD luck with the unfathomable fake punt decision.  :)

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Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 08:56 AM
To: 'Dennis W. Brandt' <tbng at comcast.net>; nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>; 'joe amore' <hudhaifa3 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky

Old time coaches will always say, "You Make your OWN luck."

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++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
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                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
W. Brandt
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:33 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com; joe amore
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky

<I WISH NORTHWESTERN WOULD GET LUCKY ONE YEAR

Ain't that the truth!

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
  To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
  Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:14 pm
  Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky


Bleacherreport.com says "The Michigan Wolverines are back! . . .  Brady Hoke has
proven that the right coaching staff can make all of the difference."

Michigan may well be "back" and Brady Hoke may be their savior, but they won the
Sugar Bowl thanks to Dame Fortune smiling on several passes that should have
been picked and Virginia Tech's coach Frank Beamer's really stupid decision to
try a fake punt at midfield.  His play calling was ultra conservative too,
especially in Tech's final drive.  A win is a win, but the Big Ten shouldn't
crow over this one too loudly.  Two victories by gnat's eyelashes in overtime do
not a powerful conference make.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan  4 09:44:23 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:44:23 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky
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I was watching at that point and 1. Couldn't believe that he didn't kick it, and 2. That they overturned the TD. It sure looked good to me and Kathryn, altho you could say he bobbled it a little going out of bounds. I thought I saw the ball bounce off his right hand as he pulled it in as he was going over the line, dragging his right foot.

Had the pass been a foot to the right, he'd have scored easily with no argument, so it's probably on the QB. However, Coale must think he's snake bit to have two crazy plays go bad inside of a few minutes.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:41 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky

Thanks very much for the clarification. Given how well VT's defense was holding UM, seemed it should've been a sure punt.

Regardless of the ruling in OT, that was an incredible effort by Coale - almost an amazing catch.

P.S. Very big men's hoops game for NU vs Illini tonight - Cats favored by 2-1/2 points, according to morning paper. And one team that NU beat, Seton Hall, had a nice victory at home over UConn last night.

From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 09:34 AM
To: Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky

Beamer gave his punter, Danny Coale, the option of kicking or running.  Coale took responsbility for the whole thing.

?I thought I saw an opening with the defensive end coming up the field,? Coale said. ?But it closed pretty quickly. That?s my fault.?

Coale was also the guy who caught the pass in the end zone in overtime that was overturned on review.

Jeff

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From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Wed 1/4/2012 9:14 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky


Yeah - VT's coach made his own BAD luck with the unfathomable fake punt decision.  :)

----- Original Message -----
From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 08:56 AM
To: 'Dennis W. Brandt' <tbng at comcast.net>; nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>; 'joe amore' <hudhaifa3 at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky

Old time coaches will always say, "You Make your OWN luck."

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  those of any organizations of which I am a member.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
W. Brandt
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 7:33 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com; joe amore
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky

<I WISH NORTHWESTERN WOULD GET LUCKY ONE YEAR

Ain't that the truth!

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
  To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
  Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 1:14 pm
  Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky


Bleacherreport.com says "The Michigan Wolverines are back! . . .  Brady Hoke has
proven that the right coaching staff can make all of the difference."

Michigan may well be "back" and Brady Hoke may be their savior, but they won the
Sugar Bowl thanks to Dame Fortune smiling on several passes that should have
been picked and Virginia Tech's coach Frank Beamer's really stupid decision to
try a fake punt at midfield.  His play calling was ultra conservative too,
especially in Tech's final drive.  A win is a win, but the Big Ten shouldn't
crow over this one too loudly.  Two victories by gnat's eyelashes in overtime do
not a powerful conference make.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Jan  4 11:35:58 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 12:35:58 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
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Dennis wrote <snip>
 
I suppose, though, you can say we are getting better.  It was 3.6 last year and a dismal 2.9 in 2009.  
 
==========
 
See, that wasn't so hard.  
 
That's why facts are helpful.  
 
This simple point "we are getting better" was my only claim.  Not that we are back to the glory days of Autry, Anderson, or Sutton.
 
BTW, not sure where you got that stat regarding Autry's Freshman year.
 
Here's a link to the site that I used which listed his 1994 stats.  They show 120 attempts.
 
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/darnell-autry-1.html
 
That said, I did mislabel his 1994 season as his sophmore year.  It was his freshman year.  I forgot that he left early for the 1997 NFL draft and didn't play his senior year.  So to be fair to Darnell, here are his sophmore year stats (1995) which were stellar and earned him a #4 ranking in the Heisman voting that year.
 
1995 - Darnell Autry
          1675 rushing - 4.7 yards/attempt
          130 receiving - 6.2 yards/reception 
          Team record - 11-2 BT Champs. Lost to USC in the Rose Bowl. Final AP ranking #8 
 
(Duh here completely optional)
 
Jeff

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From: Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng at comcast.net]
Sent: Sun 1/1/2012 7:21 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Scott Zeller, M.D.; NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak


<I also believe facts are an important component for any reasonable discussion between thoughtful people.
 
Yes, facts are wonderful things, but details are just as important.  You didn't note that Darnell Autry only started one game in 1994 but ran for 140+ yards, and that it was his second 100 yard effort that freshman year.  You failed to mention that Damien Anderson and Noah Herron played on terrible teams in 1998 and 2002, respectively, and that Anderson blossomed in the spread.  You did not recollect that Otto Graham only played nine games in 1941 because that was all Northwestern had on its schedule.
 
Facts are more wonderful yet when they are relevant to the discussion at hand.  Yours aren't.  I have never said that Kain Colter wasn't a good runner from the quarterback spot.  Indeed he is (at least in a relief role; whether he can last a full season as a starter remains to be seen).
 
This is what I have said:
 
Fact:  Kain Colter was our leading rusher this season.
 
Fact:  Kain Colter's principle role this season was backup quarterback.
 
Fact:  Our leading rusher was our backup quarterback.  (Do I year a DUH?)
 
Fact:  An offense has problems when its backup quarterback is its best runner.  I find it amazing that someone could disagree with that.  In fact, gimme a DUH here as well.
 
Fact:  While we ranked a not-too-shabby seventh in the league this season in rushing yardage, that is a false stat because our hurry-up offense allowed us to run both the most rushing and passing plays.  Our per-rush average tells a clearer story.  It was the league's worst at 3.8 yards per carry.  (I suppose, though, you can say we are getting better.  It was 3.6 last year and a dismal 2.9 in 2009.  However, it was 3.8 in 2008 and a heady 5.0 in 2007, which, of course, was Sutton's last season.  As I said, our running game hasn't been good since Tyrell Sutton left.  How about another DUH?)
 
But our biggest goal for next season is a significant improvement in our defense, especially pass defense.  If we don't, we're no better than .500 again and maybe worse.
 
 
 
<As I said at the start of this year, this season depended on whether Dan Persa returned to 2010 form. Even though he probably worked harder at it than any other human on the planet, it didn't happen.  Between his achilles and other injuries, he wasn't able to start the season, and he never regained the 2010 mobility that made him a dangerous QB to blitz.  We had a 6-7 season and a consecutive bowl game losing streak that we now share with ND. 

I also agree with you that Autry, Anderson, Herron, and Sutton were great backs. Heck Otto Graham was a great back too. If any of those guys were on the field in their prime in 2011, I agree it would have made a difference. But wishes aren't horses.

But lets compare Kain Colter's Sophomore season with the Sophmore seasons of each of these guys anyway and see how he ranks.

1994 - Darnell Autry
          556 rushing - 4.6 yards/attempt
          83 receiving - 11.9 yards/reception 
          Team record - 3-7-1

1998 - Damien Anderson
          537 rushing - 3.3 yards/attempt
          79 receiving - 7.9 yards/reception 
          Team record - 3-9

2002 - Noah Herron
          365 rushing - 5.5 yards/attempt
          184 receiving - 12.3 yards/reception
          Team record - 3-9

2006 - Tyrell Sutton
          1000 rushing - 5.3 yards/attempt
           261 receiving - 6.5 yards/reception
           Team record - 4-8

1941 - Otto Graham
          359 rushing - 3.0 yards/attempt 
          0 receiving
          Team record - 5-3 Ranked 11th in the year-end AP

2011 - Kain Coulter
          654 rushing - 4.8 yards/attempt
          466 receiving - 10.8 yards/receiption 
          Team record - 6-7 Lost to Texas A&M in the Meineke Car Care Bowl

When you look at the facts, the only player on your list who had a better Sophmore season than Kain Colter was Sutton. It turned out to be Sutton's career season, and the team that year still won only 4 games.  Sutton didn't throw any passes.

It's hard to say what the future will hold for Colter, but clearly there is huge potential.  If he stays healthy and motivated, Colter could easily join the pantheon of great NU players. 

We were all holding our breathe to see what the Sophomore run-mostly Persa (208 yrd/3.4 per attempt) would turn into when he became the starting QB. Colter beat Persa in efficiency rating this year and was significantly better than Persa's Sophmore year.  If the NU coaches can help Colter mature in the same way that Persa did, 2012 will be a good year to be a Northwestern Wildcat football fan regardless of the color of the sky.

Jeff





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From: Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng at comcast.net]
Sent: Sun 1/1/2012 9:41 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Scott Zeller, M.D.; NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak



<That backup QB/WR that you seem to want to discount ended up gaining more
yards on the ground this year than our top two rushers in 2009 combined.
That didn't happen by accident and as far as I can see <represents a welcome
improvement in our running game.

I discount no one's skills, least of all Colter's - as a runner that is.  I
simply make the 100% obvious point that we have not had a good running back
since Tyrell Sutton graduated.  We are desperately in need of an Autry, an
Anderson, a Herron, or a Sutton.  (Not as much as a Fitz, a Castillo, a
Bentley, a Cofield, a McManis, a Roach, a Wooten, etc. on defense, but a
good RB would be welcom.)  That absence and a weak offensive line are the
reasons our quarterbacks ate so much grass yesterday and probably need hours
in the whirlpool today.

Brandt:  The sky is a beautiful blue on a cloudless day.
Beamsley: No, it's an ugly shade of red!

That's what your argument boils down to.





From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  4 12:34:42 2012
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 10:34:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] No NU football staff
Message-ID: <1325702082.92182.YahooMailNeo@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A friend of mine posted?this Tribune article on Facebook yesterday.
?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-source-no-staff-changes-for-nu-football-20120103,0,2142893.story
?
It says that?Fitz plans to leave his coaching staff intact for 2012. I'm?a huge fan of Fitz but I am truly disappointed. Can anyone convince me that we have the best available O-line and DB position coaches? Fitz runs the show, but all future losses related to poor coaching are on him now.
?
Go Cats!
Jim

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan  4 15:06:11 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 16:06:11 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] No NU football staff
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O line coach was considered good last year. I think the oline believed their preseason hype

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Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2012 18:34:42 GMT+00:00
Subject: [NU Sports] No NU football staff

A friend of mine posted?this Tribune article on Facebook yesterday.
?
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-source-no-staff-changes-for-nu-football-20120103,0,2142893.story
?
It says that?Fitz plans to leave his coaching staff intact for 2012. I'm?a huge fan of Fitz but I am truly disappointed. Can anyone convince me that we have the best available O-line and DB position coaches? Fitz runs the show, but all future losses related to poor coaching are on him now.
?
Go Cats!
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Jan  4 18:48:56 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 19:48:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] What a first half
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22D65@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Even when the Cats' shots weren't falling early, they were assertive and contested everything - great hustle and smart play.  Then when the shots started to drop, especially Shurna's, they pushed to a double-digit lead. BAD lapses late cut lead to five @ 36-31.

Man-to-man defense and aggressive rebounding - YES, rebounding - have mostly throttled Illini.  Helluva half to watch.  Intensity has to be sustained.  Can't afford more lapses like those at end of half.

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Jan  4 20:07:25 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:07:25 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22D70@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Illini pitched a virtual shutout until the waning moments in 2d half.  NU couldn't hit a shot, even when open.  Poor FT shooting, too.  Illini played improved defense, but this was an eminently winnable game and NU shouldn't have needed heroics at the end to try to salvage it...Cats got three big shots to fall near the end and needed a fourth.  A loss that really, really hurts.

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Jan  4 20:20:57 2012
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:20:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
Message-ID: <2324f.3f4b4266.3c366309@aol.com>

Carmody looking like a day in the park. we need some passion from a coach,  
tough loss
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
cC

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Jan  4 20:23:57 2012
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 21:23:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] No NU football staff
Message-ID: <23395.5363b957.3c3663bd@aol.com>

I buy the FITZ myth. but if he can't win he is a bad belief. 

From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Jan  4 20:24:35 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 02:24:35 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
Message-ID: <1209664824-1325730245-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-97366839-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

They lost it at the foul line.
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Illini pitched a virtual shutout until the waning moments in 2d half.  NU couldn't hit a shot, even when open.  Poor FT shooting, too.  Illini played improved defense, but this was an eminently winnable game and NU shouldn't have needed heroics at the end to try to salvage it...Cats got three big shots to fall near the end and needed a fourth.  A loss that really, really hurts.
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From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  4 20:48:21 2012
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:48:21 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
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If our Tournament chances were prevoiusly in critical condition, we're now
on life support.  Unless this team finds some magic we're staring hard at
an 11-9 record by the next time we'll be favored to win a game.  It's
a damn shame.


On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:

> Illini pitched a virtual shutout until the waning moments in 2d half.  NU
> couldn't hit a shot, even when open.  Poor FT shooting, too.  Illini played
> improved defense, but this was an eminently winnable game and NU shouldn't
> have needed heroics at the end to try to salvage it...Cats got three big
> shots to fall near the end and needed a fourth.  A loss that really, really
> hurts.
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jan  4 22:40:11 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 04:40:11 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <92536205-1325738412-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1459126479-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Not sure if our Alamo Bowl loss to Nebraska is the largest point differential in a bowl game but tonight's Orange Bowl is giving it a run to beat that with currently at 43 points

Harry 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  4 22:49:41 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:49:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky
In-Reply-To: <002701cccaf7$bccc24d0$36646e70$@com>
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I agree a great play by the VaTech tight end - but I never really saw him as in, regardless of the ball bobble. His shoulder/arm landed on the line before any of his feet hit from my angle.

Oh well, a big win for Big Blue and the Big Ten nonetheless -- we needed those Michigan school wins to save some face, as most of the league is not looking better in 2012. And it was certainly more thrilling than tonight's B(C)S game (OUCH!!!) ... which looks more like the B(C)S we know and (do not) love with a blowout game between teams outside of the top 10-15 in a half empty stadium on a work night.

So the B(C)S record the past four years by conference, including this year's "title" game ...

> Non AQs: 3-1
> SEC: 5-3
> Big XII: 3-2
> Big Ten: 4-4
> Pac 12: 3-3
> Big East: 1-3
> ACC: 1-4

On to basketball season, where we still can't beat the F***'ing Illini and Wisconsin still has some clock management issues.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?

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________________________________
 From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: "'Weinbaum, Willie'" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan gets lucky
 
I was watching at that point and 1. Couldn't believe that he didn't kick it, and 2. That they overturned the TD. It sure looked good to me and Kathryn, altho you could say he bobbled it a little going out of bounds. I thought I saw the ball bounce off his right hand as he pulled it in as he was going over the line, dragging his right foot.

Had the pass been a foot to the right, he'd have scored easily with no argument, so it's probably on the QB. However, Coale must think he's snake bit to have two crazy plays go bad inside of a few minutes.

rsl

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan  5 07:29:20 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 08:29:20 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
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I agree that the road to twenty wins has gotten a lot more difficult.

We are now at 11-4

The following schedule gets us to 19-11. Don't know if that will be
enough, but I'm also not sure where you find another win.  Even this
schedule has us taking two from Iowa and winning at Indiana.  

01/11/12 at Michigan   		L
01/14/12 vs. Michigan State	L   
01/18/12 at Wisconsin   	L
01/22/12 at Minnesota   	W
01/28/12 vs. Purdue   		W
02/02/12 vs. Nebraska   	W
02/05/12 at Illinois   		L
02/09/12 vs. Iowa   		W
02/12/12 at Purdue  		L
02/15/12 at Indiana   		W
02/18/12 vs. Minnesota   	W
02/21/12 vs. Michigan   	L
02/25/12 at Penn State   	W
02/29/12 vs. Ohio State   	L
03/03/12 at Iowa   		W

Clearly Illinois demonstrated that if you can take Shurna out of the
mix, NU is going to struggle to score.  But going 6-11 in the second
half from the FT line is clearly unacceptable.  These guys are missing
the confidence and spark that Juice brought them last year.  Shurna is a
great player, but he just doesn't seem to be the guy who can pick the
team up in these tough close games.  Crawford tried to be that guy last
night, but couldn't get his shots to fall from the field or the FT line.


So who is going to be that guy for NU?  

Hopefully they find him by the Minny game at the end of the month.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Arthur Miller
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:48 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

If our Tournament chances were prevoiusly in critical condition, we're
now
on life support.  Unless this team finds some magic we're staring hard
at
an 11-9 record by the next time we'll be favored to win a game.  It's
a damn shame.


On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:

> Illini pitched a virtual shutout until the waning moments in 2d half.
NU
> couldn't hit a shot, even when open.  Poor FT shooting, too.  Illini
played
> improved defense, but this was an eminently winnable game and NU
shouldn't
> have needed heroics at the end to try to salvage it...Cats got three
big
> shots to fall near the end and needed a fourth.  A loss that really,
really
> hurts.
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  5 07:41:29 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 05:41:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
In-Reply-To: <2324f.3f4b4266.3c366309@aol.com>
References: <2324f.3f4b4266.3c366309@aol.com>
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>Carmody looking like a day in the park. we need some passion from a coach,??
>tough loss


I don't know, Carmody looked pretty fired up to me. He took the jacket off, had to loosen a few buttons, and was his usual expressive self when someone (usually a center) did something silly.?

Really heartbreaking loss last night. The Cats were so fun to watch in the first half, with a really aesthetically pleasing offensive game, and lots of joy and enthusiasm. The Illini really stepped it up on D, and really took Shurna out of the game in the second half, so you have to credit them for that effort. But the Cats were playing good D as well, and all they needed was for a couple of others guys to make just a couple of shots, but it didn't happen. And poor free throw shooting ultimately did them in. In addition to a fairly poor percentage overall, they missed a few front ends of 1-and-1s, which really hurts.?

I think it really came down to the fact that Drew and Sobo both had really bad shooting nights. If just one of those guys had been able sink even 2 or 3 of their open looks, the Cats win.?

That sure-thing dunk slipping out of Crawford's hands late in the game was sort of emblematic of the whole night.?

Tom



From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Jan  5 07:50:35 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 08:50:35 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
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I think Tom's analysis is right-on.  Would add that without any real offensive threat from NU's centers, the Illinois big guy (who blocked the last shot by Crawford) and his understudy could slough off and intimidate all of the other Cats...and that seemed to be in the heads of all would-be NU helpers - - those mentioned by Tom, as well as Cobb, Marcotulio and Hearn.  All showed some brief flashes of helping on offense, but none could sustain it.  And there's no doubt the top NU scorers need the help.  The good news was the improved defense and rebounding...but the woeful shooting from the floor and the line was devastating.  


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 08:41 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

>Carmody looking like a day in the park. we need some passion from a coach,
>tough loss


I don't know, Carmody looked pretty fired up to me. He took the jacket off, had to loosen a few buttons, and was his usual expressive self when someone (usually a center) did something silly.

Really heartbreaking loss last night. The Cats were so fun to watch in the first half, with a really aesthetically pleasing offensive game, and lots of joy and enthusiasm. The Illini really stepped it up on D, and really took Shurna out of the game in the second half, so you have to credit them for that effort. But the Cats were playing good D as well, and all they needed was for a couple of others guys to make just a couple of shots, but it didn't happen. And poor free throw shooting ultimately did them in. In addition to a fairly poor percentage overall, they missed a few front ends of 1-and-1s, which really hurts.

I think it really came down to the fact that Drew and Sobo both had really bad shooting nights. If just one of those guys had been able sink even 2 or 3 of their open looks, the Cats win.

That sure-thing dunk slipping out of Crawford's hands late in the game was sort of emblematic of the whole night.

Tom


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan  5 08:33:49 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 09:33:49 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
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Carmody said something about NU changing the baskets before last night's game....

He was "surprised" that happened, but he should have known, right? 

But the change could have been in the heads of the Cats - can't figure out how they could
lose the ability to shoot for most of the 2nd half.

rsl

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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:51 AM
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I think Tom's analysis is right-on.  Would add that without any real offensive threat from
NU's centers, the Illinois big guy (who blocked the last shot by Crawford) and his
understudy could slough off and intimidate all of the other Cats...and that seemed to be
in the heads of all would-be NU helpers - - those mentioned by Tom, as well as Cobb,
Marcotulio and Hearn.  All showed some brief flashes of helping on offense, but none could
sustain it.  And there's no doubt the top NU scorers need the help.  The good news was the
improved defense and rebounding...but the woeful shooting from the floor and the line was
devastating.  


----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Maycock [mailto:tkmaycock at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 08:41 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

>Carmody looking like a day in the park. we need some passion from a coach,
>tough loss


I don't know, Carmody looked pretty fired up to me. He took the jacket off, had to loosen
a few buttons, and was his usual expressive self when someone (usually a center) did
something silly.

Really heartbreaking loss last night. The Cats were so fun to watch in the first half,
with a really aesthetically pleasing offensive game, and lots of joy and enthusiasm. The
Illini really stepped it up on D, and really took Shurna out of the game in the second
half, so you have to credit them for that effort. But the Cats were playing good D as
well, and all they needed was for a couple of others guys to make just a couple of shots,
but it didn't happen. And poor free throw shooting ultimately did them in. In addition to
a fairly poor percentage overall, they missed a few front ends of 1-and-1s, which really
hurts.

I think it really came down to the fact that Drew and Sobo both had really bad shooting
nights. If just one of those guys had been able sink even 2 or 3 of their open looks, the
Cats win.

That sure-thing dunk slipping out of Crawford's hands late in the game was sort of
emblematic of the whole night.

Tom


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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan  5 09:07:20 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:07:20 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
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Could have been the rims, but if NU had the "bad" rims the second half, how do you explain that Illinois had a much better first half shooting too?

I think it was Brandon Paul guarding Shurna and the double teams they threw at Shurna when he had the ball.  They were determined to take the ball out of his hands which they did.  He was 7-10 in the first half and 1-7 in the second.  Crawford and Sobo weren't able to pick up the slack when Shurna stopped scoring.  As an example down the stretch, Cobb had a sweet back door layup at 9:33 to get within three (43-46).  NU didn't score again from the floor until Marcotullio's three at 1:19 to pull within 4 (51-55).  During that time, Shurna was 0-4, Crawford was 0-3 and 1-2 from the line, Cobb was 0-2 and 1-2 from the line, Marcotullio was 0-1, Curletti was 1-2 from the line, and Sobo was 2-2 from the line.  The ONLY reason that NU was still in the game at that point was because they played great D.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:34 AM
To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

Carmody said something about NU changing the baskets before last night's game....

He was "surprised" that happened, but he should have known, right? 

But the change could have been in the heads of the Cats - can't figure out how they could
lose the ability to shoot for most of the 2nd half.

rsl

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===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:51 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

I think Tom's analysis is right-on.  Would add that without any real offensive threat from
NU's centers, the Illinois big guy (who blocked the last shot by Crawford) and his
understudy could slough off and intimidate all of the other Cats...and that seemed to be
in the heads of all would-be NU helpers - - those mentioned by Tom, as well as Cobb,
Marcotulio and Hearn.  All showed some brief flashes of helping on offense, but none could
sustain it.  And there's no doubt the top NU scorers need the help.  The good news was the
improved defense and rebounding...but the woeful shooting from the floor and the line was
devastating.  


----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Maycock [mailto:tkmaycock at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 08:41 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

>Carmody looking like a day in the park. we need some passion from a coach,
>tough loss


I don't know, Carmody looked pretty fired up to me. He took the jacket off, had to loosen
a few buttons, and was his usual expressive self when someone (usually a center) did
something silly.

Really heartbreaking loss last night. The Cats were so fun to watch in the first half,
with a really aesthetically pleasing offensive game, and lots of joy and enthusiasm. The
Illini really stepped it up on D, and really took Shurna out of the game in the second
half, so you have to credit them for that effort. But the Cats were playing good D as
well, and all they needed was for a couple of others guys to make just a couple of shots,
but it didn't happen. And poor free throw shooting ultimately did them in. In addition to
a fairly poor percentage overall, they missed a few front ends of 1-and-1s, which really
hurts.

I think it really came down to the fact that Drew and Sobo both had really bad shooting
nights. If just one of those guys had been able sink even 2 or 3 of their open looks, the
Cats win.

That sure-thing dunk slipping out of Crawford's hands late in the game was sort of
emblematic of the whole night.

Tom


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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan  5 09:35:06 2012
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 07:35:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
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Interesting game-by-game list and definitely something for the Cats to shoot 
for.

I was flipping through the Year-by-Year resuls last night and discovered how 
abysmal the Cats have been on the road every year.? Th last time they won more 
than TWO road games was in 1959-1960, when they won 4 (to go 8-6 in the BT).? 
Your (very optimistic) prediction has them winning 4.

Now they have 3 "free" shots to pick up one.




________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Arthur Miller <artmiller1 at gmail.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Thu, January 5, 2012 7:29:20 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

I agree that the road to twenty wins has gotten a lot more difficult.

We are now at 11-4

The following schedule gets us to 19-11. Don't know if that will be
enough, but I'm also not sure where you find another win.? Even this
schedule has us taking two from Iowa and winning at Indiana.? 

01/11/12 at Michigan? ??? ??? L
01/14/12 vs. Michigan State??? L? 
01/18/12 at Wisconsin? ??? L
01/22/12 at Minnesota? ??? W
01/28/12 vs. Purdue? ??? ??? W
02/02/12 vs. Nebraska? ??? W
02/05/12 at Illinois? ??? ??? L
02/09/12 vs. Iowa? ??? ??? W
02/12/12 at Purdue? ??? ??? L
02/15/12 at Indiana? ??? ??? W
02/18/12 vs. Minnesota? ??? W
02/21/12 vs. Michigan? ??? L
02/25/12 at Penn State? ??? W
02/29/12 vs. Ohio State? ??? L
03/03/12 at Iowa? ??? ??? W

Clearly Illinois demonstrated that if you can take Shurna out of the
mix, NU is going to struggle to score.? But going 6-11 in the second
half from the FT line is clearly unacceptable.? These guys are missing
the confidence and spark that Juice brought them last year.? Shurna is a
great player, but he just doesn't seem to be the guy who can pick the
team up in these tough close games.? Crawford tried to be that guy last
night, but couldn't get his shots to fall from the field or the FT line.


So who is going to be that guy for NU?? 

Hopefully they find him by the Minny game at the end of the month.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Arthur Miller
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:48 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

If our Tournament chances were prevoiusly in critical condition, we're
now
on life support.? Unless this team finds some magic we're staring hard
at
an 11-9 record by the next time we'll be favored to win a game.? It's
a damn shame.


On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:

> Illini pitched a virtual shutout until the waning moments in 2d half.
NU
> couldn't hit a shot, even when open.? Poor FT shooting, too.? Illini
played
> improved defense, but this was an eminently winnable game and NU
shouldn't
> have needed heroics at the end to try to salvage it...Cats got three
big
> shots to fall near the end and needed a fourth.? A loss that really,
really
> hurts.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan  5 09:43:23 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:43:23 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
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All things being equal - I've always thought that "rims" were psychological, especially to
smarter Roundballers.

New fact that there were new rims could get into someone's head, miss a couple and you
start to try to adjust to the "new rims" and really screw up your shot.

But really, you're probably closer to the truth.

rsl

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If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:07 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

Could have been the rims, but if NU had the "bad" rims the second half, how do you explain
that Illinois had a much better first half shooting too?

I think it was Brandon Paul guarding Shurna and the double teams they threw at Shurna when
he had the ball.  They were determined to take the ball out of his hands which they did.
He was 7-10 in the first half and 1-7 in the second.  Crawford and Sobo weren't able to
pick up the slack when Shurna stopped scoring.  As an example down the stretch, Cobb had a
sweet back door layup at 9:33 to get within three (43-46).  NU didn't score again from the
floor until Marcotullio's three at 1:19 to pull within 4 (51-55).  During that time,
Shurna was 0-4, Crawford was 0-3 and 1-2 from the line, Cobb was 0-2 and 1-2 from the
line, Marcotullio was 0-1, Curletti was 1-2 from the line, and Sobo was 2-2 from the line.
The ONLY reason that NU was still in the game at that point was because they played great
D.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S.
Lamberton
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 9:34 AM
To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

Carmody said something about NU changing the baskets before last night's game....

He was "surprised" that happened, but he should have known, right? 

But the change could have been in the heads of the Cats - can't figure out how they could
lose the ability to shoot for most of the 2nd half.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
  those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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=================================================
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:51 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

I think Tom's analysis is right-on.  Would add that without any real offensive threat from
NU's centers, the Illinois big guy (who blocked the last shot by Crawford) and his
understudy could slough off and intimidate all of the other Cats...and that seemed to be
in the heads of all would-be NU helpers - - those mentioned by Tom, as well as Cobb,
Marcotulio and Hearn.  All showed some brief flashes of helping on offense, but none could
sustain it.  And there's no doubt the top NU scorers need the help.  The good news was the
improved defense and rebounding...but the woeful shooting from the floor and the line was
devastating.  


----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Maycock [mailto:tkmaycock at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 08:41 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

>Carmody looking like a day in the park. we need some passion from a coach,
>tough loss


I don't know, Carmody looked pretty fired up to me. He took the jacket off, had to loosen
a few buttons, and was his usual expressive self when someone (usually a center) did
something silly.

Really heartbreaking loss last night. The Cats were so fun to watch in the first half,
with a really aesthetically pleasing offensive game, and lots of joy and enthusiasm. The
Illini really stepped it up on D, and really took Shurna out of the game in the second
half, so you have to credit them for that effort. But the Cats were playing good D as
well, and all they needed was for a couple of others guys to make just a couple of shots,
but it didn't happen. And poor free throw shooting ultimately did them in. In addition to
a fairly poor percentage overall, they missed a few front ends of 1-and-1s, which really
hurts.

I think it really came down to the fact that Drew and Sobo both had really bad shooting
nights. If just one of those guys had been able sink even 2 or 3 of their open looks, the
Cats win.

That sure-thing dunk slipping out of Crawford's hands late in the game was sort of
emblematic of the whole night.

Tom


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan  5 09:44:42 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 10:44:42 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
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Didn't we split home and home with Ill-noise one year under Carmody?

Anyway, we need to dig out the "defend this house" stuff again.

rsl

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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 8:29 AM
To: Arthur Miller; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

I agree that the road to twenty wins has gotten a lot more difficult.

We are now at 11-4

The following schedule gets us to 19-11. Don't know if that will be
enough, but I'm also not sure where you find another win.  Even this
schedule has us taking two from Iowa and winning at Indiana.  

01/11/12 at Michigan   		L
01/14/12 vs. Michigan State	L   
01/18/12 at Wisconsin   	L
01/22/12 at Minnesota   	W
01/28/12 vs. Purdue   		W
02/02/12 vs. Nebraska   	W
02/05/12 at Illinois   		L
02/09/12 vs. Iowa   		W
02/12/12 at Purdue  		L
02/15/12 at Indiana   		W
02/18/12 vs. Minnesota   	W
02/21/12 vs. Michigan   	L
02/25/12 at Penn State   	W
02/29/12 vs. Ohio State   	L
03/03/12 at Iowa   		W

Clearly Illinois demonstrated that if you can take Shurna out of the
mix, NU is going to struggle to score.  But going 6-11 in the second
half from the FT line is clearly unacceptable.  These guys are missing
the confidence and spark that Juice brought them last year.  Shurna is a
great player, but he just doesn't seem to be the guy who can pick the
team up in these tough close games.  Crawford tried to be that guy last
night, but couldn't get his shots to fall from the field or the FT line.


So who is going to be that guy for NU?  

Hopefully they find him by the Minny game at the end of the month.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Arthur Miller
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:48 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

If our Tournament chances were prevoiusly in critical condition, we're
now
on life support.  Unless this team finds some magic we're staring hard
at
an 11-9 record by the next time we'll be favored to win a game.  It's
a damn shame.


On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:

> Illini pitched a virtual shutout until the waning moments in 2d half.
NU
> couldn't hit a shot, even when open.  Poor FT shooting, too.  Illini
played
> improved defense, but this was an eminently winnable game and NU
shouldn't
> have needed heroics at the end to try to salvage it...Cats got three
big
> shots to fall near the end and needed a fourth.  A loss that really,
really
> hurts.
> _______________________________________________
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  5 10:55:21 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 08:55:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
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> I think it was Brandon Paul guarding Shurna and the double teams they threw at?
> Shurna when he had the ball.? They were determined to take the ball out of his?
> hands which they did.? He was 7-10 in the first half and 1-7 in the second.??


Yep.?The Illini played much, much better defense in the second half, particularly on Shurna. The low shooting percentage was mostly a result of taking much tougher shots, rather than just going cold.?The unfortunate part was that Sobo and Crawford in particular just couldn't drain the few good looks they were getting. Well, that and the fact that NU isn't blessed with a couple more players who can create they own shot or get to the hole without help.?

Aside from good D and rebounding, the other bright spots were that Cobb looked much better this game (although still not completely back to form), and that Marcotullio was able to play more, and better, minutes.?

Tom


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan  5 11:01:11 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:01:11 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
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I agree with you completely regarding the optimism in this forecast.

 

It was the only way I could see us getting to 20 and that included a
home win against Ill.  So now I think that the best that we can do is
win 19 and maybe pickup a win in the tournament.

 

If you add one more road loss, you have to pick up another home win
against MSU, UoM, or OSU to stay on schedule for 19.  

 

Jeff

 

From: Evans Schoeman [mailto:eschoeman at sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:35 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Arthur Miller; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

 

Interesting game-by-game list and definitely something for the Cats to
shoot for.

I was flipping through the Year-by-Year resuls last night and discovered
how abysmal the Cats have been on the road every year.  Th last time
they won more than TWO road games was in 1959-1960, when they won 4 (to
go 8-6 in the BT).  Your (very optimistic) prediction has them winning
4.

Now they have 3 "free" shots to pick up one.

 

________________________________

From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Arthur Miller <artmiller1 at gmail.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Thu, January 5, 2012 7:29:20 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

I agree that the road to twenty wins has gotten a lot more difficult.

We are now at 11-4

The following schedule gets us to 19-11. Don't know if that will be
enough, but I'm also not sure where you find another win.  Even this
schedule has us taking two from Iowa and winning at Indiana.  

01/11/12 at Michigan          L
01/14/12 vs. Michigan State    L  
01/18/12 at Wisconsin      L
01/22/12 at Minnesota      W
01/28/12 vs. Purdue          W
02/02/12 vs. Nebraska      W
02/05/12 at Illinois          L
02/09/12 vs. Iowa          W
02/12/12 at Purdue          L
02/15/12 at Indiana          W
02/18/12 vs. Minnesota      W
02/21/12 vs. Michigan      L
02/25/12 at Penn State      W
02/29/12 vs. Ohio State      L
03/03/12 at Iowa          W

Clearly Illinois demonstrated that if you can take Shurna out of the
mix, NU is going to struggle to score.  But going 6-11 in the second
half from the FT line is clearly unacceptable.  These guys are missing
the confidence and spark that Juice brought them last year.  Shurna is a
great player, but he just doesn't seem to be the guy who can pick the
team up in these tough close games.  Crawford tried to be that guy last
night, but couldn't get his shots to fall from the field or the FT line.


So who is going to be that guy for NU?  

Hopefully they find him by the Minny game at the end of the month.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Arthur Miller
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 9:48 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

If our Tournament chances were prevoiusly in critical condition, we're
now
on life support.  Unless this team finds some magic we're staring hard
at
an 11-9 record by the next time we'll be favored to win a game.  It's
a damn shame.


On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:07 PM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:

> Illini pitched a virtual shutout until the waning moments in 2d half.
NU
> couldn't hit a shot, even when open.  Poor FT shooting, too.  Illini
played
> improved defense, but this was an eminently winnable game and NU
shouldn't
> have needed heroics at the end to try to salvage it...Cats got three
big
> shots to fall near the end and needed a fourth.  A loss that really,
really
> hurts.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan  5 11:19:18 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 12:19:18 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] An orange crusher
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During the Postgame interview on WGN, Carmody sounded resigned to NU not making shots. He
seemed to have expected Ill-noise to shut down Shurna, and that Sobo and Drew wouldn't
pick up the slack.

Strange, because in other games Crawford had become a shooting fool, and Sobo usually is
dead on when given open looks.

Maybe the "new rims" got into the Cat's head in the 2nd half. Ill-noise had a lot of
turnovers when they were going towards the one end in the first half.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Maycock [mailto:tkmaycock at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 11:55 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Roy S. Lamberton; Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] An orange crusher

> I think it was Brandon Paul guarding Shurna and the double teams they threw at?
> Shurna when he had the ball.? They were determined to take the ball out of his?
> hands which they did.? He was 7-10 in the first half and 1-7 in the second.??


Yep.?The Illini played much, much better defense in the second half, particularly on
Shurna. The low shooting percentage was mostly a result of taking much tougher shots,
rather than just going cold.?The unfortunate part was that Sobo and Crawford in particular
just couldn't drain the few good looks they were getting. Well, that and the fact that NU
isn't blessed with a couple more players who can create they own shot or get to the hole
without help.?

Aside from good D and rebounding, the other bright spots were that Cobb looked much better
this game (although still not completely back to form), and that Marcotullio was able to
play more, and better, minutes.?

Tom


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  5 14:54:37 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 20:54:37 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Same old basketball again ...
Message-ID: <1664002501-1325796877-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-765729233-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

...Not physical enough inside against a Big 10 team. 

No inside scoring threat. 

Too many second-chance points for the opposition -- was it any coincidence the Illini's winning point came on a foul on a putback? 

Too dependent on one star to score and others fail to pick up slack. 

On the free-throw shooting, it is inexcusable. A team with as little margin for error as NU must shoot 80 percent from the line. And missing front ends is a disaster. 

I predict a very very long Big Ten road season. Just look at Philadelphia last night to see how tough it is to win on the road: Duke and Xavier come to town against inferior foes and lose. 

Good luck Wildcats, you'll need it. 

Brad Wilson
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan  5 21:44:39 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 03:44:39 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1030492154-1325821481-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-12783444-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Pats OC Bill Obrien has apparently been named the new coach at PSU.  The last big name Pats OC to go to a high profile school was Charlie Weiss to ND. 

 Also a little bit of irony is that the Pats first choice of a new head coach (and GM role as well) in 1971, when they moved from Boston to Foxboro (and became the New England Patriots), was Joe Paterno. The Patriots at the time had the number 1 pick in the draft with an obvious future selection of Stanford's Jim Plunkett.

 Paterno who had only been the head coach at PSU for 5 years, turned down a very lucrative offer (at the time) because he "loved working with the kids" and decided to stay at PSU

Harry
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan  5 22:10:18 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 23:10:18 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
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He's going to have a tough time getting into gear, especially with recruiting.

He has a pretty big job yet as the Pats head for February...

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
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hakirsch at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 10:45 PM
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Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)

Pats OC Bill Obrien has apparently been named the new coach at PSU.  The last big name
Pats OC to go to a high profile school was Charlie Weiss to ND. 

 Also a little bit of irony is that the Pats first choice of a new head coach (and GM role
as well) in 1971, when they moved from Boston to Foxboro (and became the New England
Patriots), was Joe Paterno. The Patriots at the time had the number 1 pick in the draft
with an obvious future selection of Stanford's Jim Plunkett.

 Paterno who had only been the head coach at PSU for 5 years, turned down a very lucrative
offer (at the time) because he "loved working with the kids" and decided to stay at PSU

Harry
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Jan  6 06:22:39 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:22:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] prediction of NU W @ IU - - would be quite the
	upset :)
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22DD1@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Indiana beat Michigan to improve to 11-0 at home this season. The Hoosiers have beaten three ranked teams this season, something they have not accomplished since the 2005-06 season.


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  6 12:25:31 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 18:25:31 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Tidbit on O'brien
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He, like JoePa, played for Brown. 

Bw
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jan  6 20:41:00 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 21:41:00 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] State Penn Assistants blowing in the wind
Message-ID: <003201cccce5$cc129a10$6437ce30$@com>

They plan to be back at work but according to the Chi Trib story...

"The person familiar with the search told the AP most of the current staff could be let
go."

Wonder who they'll keep.

rsl

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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Jan  7 00:35:04 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 00:35:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] State Penn Assistants blowing in the wind
In-Reply-To: <003201cccce5$cc129a10$6437ce30$@com>
Message-ID: <20120107063505.184AF6402F@romaine.tssi.com>

> They plan to be back at work but according to the Chi Trib story...
> 
> "The person familiar with the search told the AP most of the current staff =
> could be let
> go."
> 
> Wonder who they'll keep.

My guess is the assistant coaches will all be gone within a year 
if not a lot sooner, and quite a few of the support staff may not 
be far behind them.

Any of the assistants who haven't seen this coming for WEEKS
aren't very perceptive.  Penn State is trying to make as complete
a break as possible with the Paterno era, regardless of the
consequences.  Could be a rocky few years for them on the field.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  7 08:36:53 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:36:53 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] The Worse Thing
Message-ID: <006601cccd49$cd736420$685a2c60$@com>

About the loss to Ill-noise....

Is that NU Basketball has disappeared from the sports pages.

The Trib does say that the Illini "escaped" from Evanston, but nobody is writing (except
on the message boards) 
about what the Cats need to do to recover. It is like the program fell off the face of the
earth.

Of course BC may not be talking, and I'm sure the players aren't being vocal about their
shortcomings except to maybe each other.

Personally, I still think this team has a chance to be something special, but they're
going to have to step it up and take some charge soon.

Go Cats! 

rsl




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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 13:10:13 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:10:13 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] about time for good news for NU -- how about fabulous??
Message-ID: <CAHChqvhP3aR4qXtwpr6sNzX-TQGKPOU52TqAa5EvoiGSZ_eGVg@mail.gmail.com>

Four-star linebacker *Ifeadi Odenigbo* of Centerville, Ohio committed to NU
this morning!! Rated the #4 linebacker in the country by Scout.
 Was offered by Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, Stanford,
just about every name program in the country.
Family really wanted him to go for the academics!

This is one of our top committments in many years.
Hurray! Waiting for one of those posters who always complains about our
recruiting to respond.

From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 13:16:19 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:16:19 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] More about Odenigbo
Message-ID: <CAHChqvj70XhaoO-TnCE_nkZf-o3HVKiuP3uAnL1L+5hyYqKwsA@mail.gmail.com>

Some more info for you: A big guy who can run a 4.5 forty (!) and is known
for his athleticism, quickness and ability to change directions.

*Ht: *6-3.5 *Wt: *217 *40: *4.5

Scout opinion:
I think he has as much upside as anyone in the state of Ohio. He has so
much that you can't teach. His explosiveness, his first step and closing
speed are all special, and the fact that he's barely played the game is
scary. I believe he'll grow into a true defensive end, but think he'd be
best as a stand up OLB in a 3-4. That said, there's a spot for a kid this
long, athletic and straight up fast in any defense.

On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>wrote:

> Four-star linebacker *Ifeadi Odenigbo* of Centerville, Ohio committed to
> NU this morning!! Rated the #4 linebacker in the country by Scout.
>  Was offered by Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, Stanford,
> just about every name program in the country.
>  Family really wanted him to go for the academics!
>
> This is one of our top committments in many years.
> Hurray! Waiting for one of those posters who always complains about our
> recruiting to respond.
>

From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 13:24:20 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 11:24:20 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] 4 minute TV story about Odenigbo family
Message-ID: <CAHChqvh4RihhOO8d056ccM__K_8W-bBa1of+hG+C2wtqLYGj6Q@mail.gmail.com>

A very nice TV story from the Under Armour All-Star game which shows why
Odenigbo chose NU.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ovayOrXTY&feature=youtu.be

From aaronsament at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 13:25:46 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:25:46 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] about time for good news for NU -- how about
	fabulous??
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I believe that will make this the highest rated class in school history.  And Odenigbo isn't even the only 4 star player we have coming in next year...

OT Adam DePietro is rated a 4 star as well

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 7, 2012, at 2:10 PM, "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Four-star linebacker *Ifeadi Odenigbo* of Centerville, Ohio committed to NU
> this morning!! Rated the #4 linebacker in the country by Scout.
> Was offered by Alabama, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, USC, Stanford,
> just about every name program in the country.
> Family really wanted him to go for the academics!
> 
> This is one of our top committments in many years.
> Hurray! Waiting for one of those posters who always complains about our
> recruiting to respond.
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Jan  7 14:55:12 2012
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 15:55:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] about time for good news for NU -- how about
	fabulous??
Message-ID: <2dec.7583e62f.3c3a0b30@aol.com>

I will love hearing the announcers attempt that name for four  years

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  7 15:23:18 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 16:23:18 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] about time for good news for NU -- how
	about	fabulous??
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Ya know Dave will get it right, even Kaplan.

rsl

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--------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
MHRJGScott at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 3:55 PM
To: aaronsament at gmail.com; scottzel at gmail.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] about time for good news for NU -- how about fabulous??

I will love hearing the announcers attempt that name for four  years
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 15:50:40 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:50:40 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] In case you wanted a little more excitement about
	Odenigbo
Message-ID: <CAHChqviH-q0d8VmOYgfi49AdfzCu7fqW0kmd_iFG3K7DYyoxmg@mail.gmail.com>

ESPN rates him as the #1, top player, at *any* position in the state of
Ohio. Yes, that Ohio, where 48 out of the top 50 players will go to BCS
schools next year (the other two to the MAC).

He is also the #2 ranked player at any position in the entire Midwest, and
they have him as the #4 Defensive End in the country (Scout had him as the
#4 linebacker!)

What a boost for the NU defense.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/127676/ifeadi-odenigbo

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  7 15:54:18 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 13:54:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] about time for good news for NU -- how about
	fabulous??
In-Reply-To: <00d801cccd82$94207760$bc616620$@com>
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 <00d801cccd82$94207760$bc616620$@com>
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Great news - GO CATS!!! Great to get a top recruit ... then a DEFENSIVE recruit on top of that and above all, a linebacker! You'd have to think that Fitz could use his impressive pedigree as a linebacker in recruiting!

Also, the turf in Houston looks much better today ... more green than brown ... so they obviously put some work in since the Texas Bowl.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sat Jan  7 16:11:54 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 14:11:54 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] In case you wanted a little more excitement about
	Odenigbo
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqviH-q0d8VmOYgfi49AdfzCu7fqW0kmd_iFG3K7DYyoxmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHChqviH-q0d8VmOYgfi49AdfzCu7fqW0kmd_iFG3K7DYyoxmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN7sengBpgaEjwtki6nFJG3DKw-uj88GWx3CeL7EcVhe3TmXKw@mail.gmail.com>

Centerville is a suburb of Dayton. It's on the south side of town.

I grew up on the far north reaches of Dayton. I'm a graduate of Northmont
High School, which is located in the farm community of Clayton. (Literally,
there's a corn field across the street from the school.)

The Centerville Elks thrashed my Northmont Thunderbolts, 34-7, last October
in a league game (for those interested, the central division of the Greater
Western Ohio Conference).

Everyone in football circles in and around southwestern Ohio has been well
aware of Ifeadi, and his talent. It's great that he's going to be a Wildcat!





On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>wrote:

> ESPN rates him as the #1, top player, at *any* position in the state of
> Ohio. Yes, that Ohio, where 48 out of the top 50 players will go to BCS
> schools next year (the other two to the MAC).
>
> He is also the #2 ranked player at any position in the entire Midwest, and
> they have him as the #4 Defensive End in the country (Scout had him as the
> #4 linebacker!)
>
> What a boost for the NU defense.
>
>
> http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/127676/ifeadi-odenigbo
> _______________________________________________
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan  7 16:14:49 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:14:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 4 minute TV story about Odenigbo family
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvh4RihhOO8d056ccM__K_8W-bBa1of+hG+C2wtqLYGj6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHChqvh4RihhOO8d056ccM__K_8W-bBa1of+hG+C2wtqLYGj6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CE9BA0E81FA4BB-1008-67C06@Webmail-d117.sysops.aol.com>


I love this kid--and his parents--already.  What a fine example they set, and what values to impart. I bet the sparks between Fitz and the Mom and Dad almost set fire to their living room.:-)  What really caught my attention is that his dream is to live in California and work in Silicone Valley.  Yet he will matriculate in Evanston.   This is a historic moment for NU football, as we are now playing in the "Big League" of recruiting.   This is one small step for Fitz, one giant leap for Wildcat Nation!

This news has lifted me out of my post-Meineke, Illinois-loss funk.

Paul Levinson








-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 2:24 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] 4 minute TV story about Odenigbo family


A very nice TV story from the Under Armour All-Star game which shows why
denigbo chose NU.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ovayOrXTY&feature=youtu.be
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  7 16:24:04 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:24:04 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 4 minute TV story about Odenigbo family
In-Reply-To: <8CE9BA0E81FA4BB-1008-67C06@Webmail-d117.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAHChqvh4RihhOO8d056ccM__K_8W-bBa1of+hG+C2wtqLYGj6Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <8CE9BA0E81FA4BB-1008-67C06@Webmail-d117.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00de01cccd8b$11204ee0$3360eca0$@com>

Now, one of last year's frosh needs to step up during the spring as a "lights out" cover
corner and we'll be on a roll

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 5:15 PM
To: scottzel at gmail.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 4 minute TV story about Odenigbo family


I love this kid--and his parents--already.  What a fine example they set, and what values
to impart. I bet the sparks between Fitz and the Mom and Dad almost set fire to their
living room.:-)  What really caught my attention is that his dream is to live in
California and work in Silicone Valley.  Yet he will matriculate in Evanston.   This is a
historic moment for NU football, as we are now playing in the "Big League" of recruiting.
This is one small step for Fitz, one giant leap for Wildcat Nation!

This news has lifted me out of my post-Meineke, Illinois-loss funk.

Paul Levinson








-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 2:24 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] 4 minute TV story about Odenigbo family


A very nice TV story from the Under Armour All-Star game which shows why
denigbo chose NU.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ovayOrXTY&feature=youtu.be
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan  7 16:27:44 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:27:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] In case you wanted a little more excitement about
	Odenigbo
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqviH-q0d8VmOYgfi49AdfzCu7fqW0kmd_iFG3K7DYyoxmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHChqviH-q0d8VmOYgfi49AdfzCu7fqW0kmd_iFG3K7DYyoxmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CE9BA2B5B77669-1008-67D4B@Webmail-d117.sysops.aol.com>

ESPN Chicago has a good story on our new future hero:  




http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/story/_/id/7436282/no-50-recruit-ifeadi-odenigbo-commits-northwestern-wildcats

Loved his quote:  

"By me committing there, I hope I can attract more big-time recruits," Odenigbo said at his news conference on Saturday. "That's the plan because it only takes one guy."

We need the same thinking to build up our mens hoops program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 4:50 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] In case you wanted a little more excitement about Odenigbo


ESPN rates him as the #1, top player, at *any* position in the state of
hio. Yes, that Ohio, where 48 out of the top 50 players will go to BCS
chools next year (the other two to the MAC).
He is also the #2 ranked player at any position in the entire Midwest, and
hey have him as the #4 Defensive End in the country (Scout had him as the
4 linebacker!)
What a boost for the NU defense.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/127676/ifeadi-odenigbo
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan  7 16:32:21 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 17:32:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] In case you wanted a little more excitement about
	Odenigbo
In-Reply-To: <8CE9BA2B5B77669-1008-67D4B@Webmail-d117.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAHChqviH-q0d8VmOYgfi49AdfzCu7fqW0kmd_iFG3K7DYyoxmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <8CE9BA2B5B77669-1008-67D4B@Webmail-d117.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE9BA35B04678D-1008-67D71@Webmail-d117.sysops.aol.com>


Check this post out:

http://georgiatech.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1315938



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
To: scottzel <scottzel at gmail.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In case you wanted a little more excitement about Odenigbo


ESPN Chicago has a good story on our new future hero:  


ttp://espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/story/_/id/7436282/no-50-recruit-ifeadi-odenigbo-commits-northwestern-wildcats
Loved his quote:  
"By me committing there, I hope I can attract more big-time recruits," Odenigbo 
aid at his news conference on Saturday. "That's the plan because it only takes 
ne guy."
We need the same thinking to build up our mens hoops program.
-----Original Message-----
rom: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
o: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
ent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 4:50 pm
ubject: [NU Sports] In case you wanted a little more excitement about Odenigbo

SPN rates him as the #1, top player, at *any* position in the state of
io. Yes, that Ohio, where 48 out of the top 50 players will go to BCS
hools next year (the other two to the MAC).
e is also the #2 ranked player at any position in the entire Midwest, and
ey have him as the #4 Defensive End in the country (Scout had him as the
 linebacker!)
hat a boost for the NU defense.
ttp://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/127676/ifeadi-odenigbo
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Jan  7 18:26:21 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:26:21 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] about time for good news for NU -- how
	aboutfabulous??
References: <2dec.7583e62f.3c3a0b30@aol.com>
 <00d801cccd82$94207760$bc616620$@com>
 <1325973258.72754.YahooMailNeo@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <15EC241F2161441E8360166259527C8D@dennismachine>

Now THAT is more like it.  Next stop:  a five-star guy.


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  7 18:47:26 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 19:47:26 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] In case you wanted a little more excitement
	about	Odenigbo
In-Reply-To: <8CE9BA2B5B77669-1008-67D4B@Webmail-d117.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAHChqviH-q0d8VmOYgfi49AdfzCu7fqW0kmd_iFG3K7DYyoxmg@mail.gmail.com>
 <8CE9BA2B5B77669-1008-67D4B@Webmail-d117.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00e501cccd9f$18c157c0$4a440740$@com>

Just watched Scout's two videos, one with Mom, and these people have their heads on right.

Welcome to the Wildcats,

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 5:28 PM
To: scottzel at gmail.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In case you wanted a little more excitement about Odenigbo

ESPN Chicago has a good story on our new future hero:  




http://espn.go.com/chicago/ncf/story/_/id/7436282/no-50-recruit-ifeadi-odenigbo-commits-no
rthwestern-wildcats

Loved his quote:  

"By me committing there, I hope I can attract more big-time recruits," Odenigbo said at
his news conference on Saturday. "That's the plan because it only takes one guy."

We need the same thinking to build up our mens hoops program.

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 4:50 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] In case you wanted a little more excitement about Odenigbo


ESPN rates him as the #1, top player, at *any* position in the state of
hio. Yes, that Ohio, where 48 out of the top 50 players will go to BCS
chools next year (the other two to the MAC).
He is also the #2 ranked player at any position in the entire Midwest, and
hey have him as the #4 Defensive End in the country (Scout had him as the
4 linebacker!)
What a boost for the NU defense.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/127676/ifeadi-odenigbo
______________________________________________
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From martinitis at aol.com  Sat Jan  7 23:34:55 2012
From: martinitis at aol.com (Louis Martinaitis)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 21:34:55 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] The Northwestern Saints
Message-ID: <1F5CF8F6-358B-49E9-B60A-2CF01A7FC765@aol.com>

Watching the Saints tonight I couldn't but help wonder how our Wildcats would have faired this year if they too had an offensive coordinator with out fear. A lets go all out, play to our stregnth and pass pass pass. And not stop passing with a 1 or 2 touch down lead.

That was the old Cardiac Cats offense that i sawI tonight.

BTW, congratulations Stephen.

Louis Martinaitis
 


From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  7 23:35:46 2012
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 21:35:46 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] Odenigbo
Message-ID: <7416032.1326000946870.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'm a little late to today's party, but this is great news. As Paul said, a good pick-me-up for the new year. Now, as I understand it, the kid is saying he may well wsnt to get his masters at NU. He also said he doesn't mind redshirting next year - which would be consistent with wanting to earn a masters during his fifth year.

The question then becomes one of whether Fitz will feel he's just too good a player to sit next year.

Jim B.



-----Original Message-----
>From: "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 7, 2012 11:24 AM
>To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: [NU Sports] 4 minute TV story about Odenigbo family
>
>A very nice TV story from the Under Armour All-Star game which shows why
>Odenigbo chose NU.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ovayOrXTY&feature=youtu.be
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From martinitis at aol.com  Sat Jan  7 23:45:30 2012
From: martinitis at aol.com (Louis Martinaitis)
Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 21:45:30 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] 4 minute TV story about Odenigbo family
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvh4RihhOO8d056ccM__K_8W-bBa1of+hG+C2wtqLYGj6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHChqvh4RihhOO8d056ccM__K_8W-bBa1of+hG+C2wtqLYGj6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9B9EF56-77D9-4FFA-885A-8836361F316D@aol.com>

Just saw your original post ..... Must have been sleeping.  All I can is WOW!

Louis Martinaitis
 


On Jan 7, 2012, at 11:24 AM, "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com> wrote:

> A very nice TV story from the Under Armour All-Star game which shows why
> Odenigbo chose NU.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ovayOrXTY&feature=youtu.be
> _______________________________________________
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan  8 06:18:50 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 07:18:50 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] The Northwestern Saints
In-Reply-To: <1F5CF8F6-358B-49E9-B60A-2CF01A7FC765@aol.com>
References: <1F5CF8F6-358B-49E9-B60A-2CF01A7FC765@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cccdff$b1d40b00$157c2100$@com>

The Saints should look familiar....

NU's own Zach Streif was the right tackle all game. Two former NU O-line coaches are on
the staff, Aaron Kromer (O Line and Run Game Coordinator) and Brett Ingalls (Running
Backs).

Having Drew Brees (from Purdue's basketball on grass) doesn't hurt either.

rsl



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Louis
Martinaitis
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:35 AM
To: NU List; NU List
Subject: [NU Sports] The Northwestern Saints

Watching the Saints tonight I couldn't but help wonder how our Wildcats would have faired
this year if they too had an offensive coordinator with out fear. A lets go all out, play
to our stregnth and pass pass pass. And not stop passing with a 1 or 2 touch down lead.

That was the old Cardiac Cats offense that i sawI tonight.

BTW, congratulations Stephen.

Louis Martinaitis
 

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nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Jan  8 09:29:27 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:29:27 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Odenigbo
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I doubt he will redshirt a 4-star--absent some setback in camp.  The only concern might be his lack of weight, at least at the outset of his career.
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I'm a little late to today's party, but this is great news. As Paul said, a good pick-me-up for the new year. Now, as I understand it, the kid is saying he may well wsnt to get his masters at NU. He also said he doesn't mind redshirting next year - which would be consistent with wanting to earn a masters during his fifth year.

The question then becomes one of whether Fitz will feel he's just too good a player to sit next year.

Jim B.



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>From: "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 7, 2012 11:24 AM
>To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: [NU Sports] 4 minute TV story about Odenigbo family
>
>A very nice TV story from the Under Armour All-Star game which shows why
>Odenigbo chose NU.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ovayOrXTY&feature=youtu.be
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Jan  8 09:47:18 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:47:18 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Odenigbo
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Can he play hoops too ?
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Odenigbo

I doubt he will redshirt a 4-star--absent some setback in camp.  The only concern might be his lack of weight, at least at the outset of his career.
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Odenigbo

I'm a little late to today's party, but this is great news. As Paul said, a good pick-me-up for the new year. Now, as I understand it, the kid is saying he may well wsnt to get his masters at NU. He also said he doesn't mind redshirting next year - which would be consistent with wanting to earn a masters during his fifth year.

The question then becomes one of whether Fitz will feel he's just too good a player to sit next year.

Jim B.



-----Original Message-----
>From: "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 7, 2012 11:24 AM
>To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: [NU Sports] 4 minute TV story about Odenigbo family
>
>A very nice TV story from the Under Armour All-Star game which shows why
>Odenigbo chose NU.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ovayOrXTY&feature=youtu.be
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan  8 12:22:03 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 13:22:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Odenigbo
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Trai Essex could but RW made him choose

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I doubt he will redshirt a 4-star--absent some setback in camp.  The only  
concern might be his lack of weight, at least at the outset of his career.
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Odenigbo

I'm a little late to today's party, but this is great news. As Paul said, a  
good pick-me-up for the new year. Now, as I understand it, the kid is saying  
he may well wsnt to get his masters at NU. He also said he doesn't mind  
redshirting next year - which would be consistent with wanting to earn a  
masters during his fifth year.

The question then becomes one of whether Fitz will feel he's just too good a  
player to sit next year.

Jim B.



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>Sent: Jan 7, 2012 11:24 AM
>To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: [NU Sports] 4 minute TV story about Odenigbo family
>
>A very nice TV story from the Under Armour All-Star game which shows why
>Odenigbo chose NU.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ovayOrXTY&feature=youtu.be
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Jan  8 15:51:21 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:51:21 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Odenigbo
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First a warning.  This is a long post because I got excited as I learned more about our recruits.
 
Thanks everyone for all of the great background material posted on Ifeadi Odenigbo.
 
I don't want to crow too much until signing day, but this signing along with Greg Kuhar clearly improves the defensive profile of the 2013 team (maybe even the 2012 team).
 
Same thing is true about four star OL recruit Adam DePietro, along with Eric Olsen, Ian Park, and Kenton Playko. 
 
Clearly this provides a little more insight into Fitz's year end statements about the changes that need to happen in 2012. The biggest change is competition. The prospect of bringing in these guys is going to force our returning starters to think about how much harder they are going to need to work in the off season to keep their starting jobs.
 
It also raises the bar for the coaching staff. The NU recruiting team is bringing in players with better raw ability. The coaching staff is now on the hook to turn that into better on field performance.
 
It also raises some interesting questions around recruiting and academics.
 
Odenigbo could have gone anywhere he wanted. He chose NU because of our high academic standards.
 
As others have already posted, he plans to actively recruit more players to NU. He said "I don't know why more top recruits don't go to Northwestern." 
 
Why did Greg Kunar, for example, who has also received a four star rating from some, commit? In part it was because of the good reports he got from Geoff Mogus and Deonte Gibson who were teammates from his Ohio HS. 
 
Malin Jones whom some also regard as a four star recruit at running back picked NU as much for academics as athletics. "As far as schools with great academics and good football teams? This school is second to none," Jones said. "Coach Fitzgerald is a great guy and that's probably more than half the reason I'm going there. My parents fell in love with him."
 
Why did four star OL recruit Adam DePietro commit to NU when Wisky was his first choice? It was because Eric Olson, a three star OL NU recruit, suggesting they commit together. 
 
"We just thought of it today," DePietro said. "He just added me on Facebook, said we both had Northwestern as finalist, and we just got to talking and said, let's just do this, let's go all in and get the best o-line class that we can, let's win a Big Ten title." ..."I just thought, I'm not going to wait, Northwestern has loved me and wanted me to commit for a while," ..."I wanted to go somewhere that loved me and I wasn't an afterthought for them." .DePietro has already reached out to Ian Park on Facebook."All these good linemen are going to change it around and make this a better place," said DePietro. "I'm really excited, I got a great feeling about the future."
 
Why did Park choose NU? "I've always loved Northwestern," ... "I let it go overnight and when I woke up in the morning I knew I wanted to play for Northwestern." "I got home after workouts this afternoon and called (offensive line) coach (Adam) Cushing. He was on the highway in Ohio and he said he almost swerved off the road he was so excited." This from a kid who lives in Pittsburg. 
 
These aren't the only stories, but I think that they are important stories.
 
This may be one of the best football recruiting classes in NU history BECAUSE of NU's admission standards.
 
It may be one of the best classes BECAUSE of the national coverage that NU gets through the BT and bowl games reaches out to places like Pittsburg, PA and creates fans in young smart football players like Ian Park even though he watched NU lose multiple bowl games. 
 
It may be one of the best classes because last year's class was good that those players helped bring in their friends. 
 
It's because NU kept its promises to folks like Christian Jones. 
 
It's because the continuity in Fitz's staff has allowed them to develop long term relationships with these kids that blossomed into commitments. 
 
It may be one of the best classes BECAUSE Fitz's pitch is simple and straightforward. NU isn't for everyone. NU has the highest standards in the country academically and plays in one of the best athletic conferences in the country. These kids will be going to class with the best students in the country, practicing with some of the smartest football players in the country, and playing against some of the best players in the country. Most importantly when these kids commit to NU, NU commits to them. They will graduate with a meaningful and valuable degree. They will also get a first class football education and have an opportunity to play on Sunday if that's their goal. 
 
If these kids are any indication, NU wins every spring graduation regardless of the record at the end of the football season. That's because every graduation is demonstration that NU is serious about the promise it makes to these recruits. 
 
These are great kids. They are leaders. They have passion. They are willing to take a risk because they understand what it would mean to them and their teammates to be able to take NU football to the next level.
 
Looking forward to signing day.

Jeff





















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To: hakirsch at aol.com; neonrye at aol.com; Jim Bendat; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Odenigbo



Trai Essex could but RW made him choose

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Sent: Sun, Jan 8, 2012 15:47:18 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Odenigbo

Can he play hoops too ?
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Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 15:29:27
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Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Odenigbo

I doubt he will redshirt a 4-star--absent some setback in camp.  The only 
concern might be his lack of weight, at least at the outset of his career.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
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Reply-To: Jim Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Odenigbo

I'm a little late to today's party, but this is great news. As Paul said, a 
good pick-me-up for the new year. Now, as I understand it, the kid is saying 
he may well wsnt to get his masters at NU. He also said he doesn't mind 
redshirting next year - which would be consistent with wanting to earn a 
masters during his fifth year.

The question then becomes one of whether Fitz will feel he's just too good a 
player to sit next year.

Jim B.



-----Original Message-----
>From: "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 7, 2012 11:24 AM
>To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: [NU Sports] 4 minute TV story about Odenigbo family
>
>A very nice TV story from the Under Armour All-Star game which shows why
>Odenigbo chose NU.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ovayOrXTY&feature=youtu.be
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan  8 16:52:11 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:52:11 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Odenigbo
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Nice analysis.

 

Just so long as Fitz & Co. avoid what happened to Barnett's "Fab 5 Linemen" - they blew
off the older guys and the young kids were still a year or two away.

 

The danger of recruiting top prospects appears when they forget they need the extra year
in the weight room to get really ready to play. Those 4 and 5 star guys who go to dOSU,
Michigan, or Oklahoma (and others) still redshirt because they are not needed as freshmen.
NU does offer a top prospect that opportunity to play for 4 years and as a frosh, but long
term, they might be better served by taking the redshirt and getting bigger, stronger,
faster.

 

NU's problem has always been that we lack depth in certain areas, especially linemen. A
top kid comes in and usually can beat out a junior and sometimes a senior for a starting
slot, but they don't always have the long time experience in the system. 

 

Witness our defensive play this year - the 11 starters were pretty good early, but as they
got hurt, the system fell apart. The higher level of recruit means some of our speed can
move to D-back, but our guys are going to have to communicate better, and learn the
technique faster if they are playing out there as frosh.

 

And remember ol' Woody's maxim, "You lose one game for each freshman you start."

 

rsl

 

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                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"

===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

 

 

From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:51 PM
To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com; hakirsch at aol.com; neonrye at aol.com; Jim Bendat;
nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Odenigbo

 

First a warning.  This is a long post because I got excited as I learned more about our
recruits.

 

Thanks everyone for all of the great background material posted on Ifeadi Odenigbo.

 

I don't want to crow too much until signing day, but this signing along with Greg Kuhar
clearly improves the defensive profile of the 2013 team (maybe even the 2012 team).

 

Same thing is true about four star OL recruit Adam DePietro, along with Eric Olsen, Ian
Park, and Kenton Playko. 

 

Clearly this provides a little more insight into Fitz's year end statements about the
changes that need to happen in 2012. The biggest change is competition. The prospect of
bringing in these guys is going to force our returning starters to think about how much
harder they are going to need to work in the off season to keep their starting jobs.

 

It also raises the bar for the coaching staff. The NU recruiting team is bringing in
players with better raw ability. The coaching staff is now on the hook to turn that into
better on field performance.

 

It also raises some interesting questions around recruiting and academics.

 

Odenigbo could have gone anywhere he wanted. He chose NU because of our high academic
standards.

 

As others have already posted, he plans to actively recruit more players to NU. He said "I
don't know why more top recruits don't go to Northwestern." 

 

Why did Greg Kunar, for example, who has also received a four star rating from some,
commit? In part it was because of the good reports he got from Geoff Mogus and Deonte
Gibson who were teammates from his Ohio HS. 

 

Malin Jones whom some also regard as a four star recruit at running back picked NU as much
for academics as athletics. "As far as schools with great academics and good football
teams? This school is second to none," Jones said. "Coach Fitzgerald is a great guy and
that's probably more than half the reason I'm going there. My parents fell in love with
him."

 

Why did four star OL recruit Adam DePietro commit to NU when Wisky was his first choice?
It was because Eric Olson, a three star OL NU recruit, suggesting they commit together. 

 

"We just thought of it today," DePietro said. "He just added me on Facebook, said we both
had Northwestern as finalist, and we just got to talking and said, let's just do this,
let's go all in and get the best o-line class that we can, let's win a Big Ten title."
..."I just thought, I'm not going to wait, Northwestern has loved me and wanted me to
commit for a while," ..."I wanted to go somewhere that loved me and I wasn't an
afterthought for them." .DePietro has already reached out to Ian Park on Facebook."All
these good linemen are going to change it around and make this a better place," said
DePietro. "I'm really excited, I got a great feeling about the future."

 

Why did Park choose NU? "I've always loved Northwestern," ... "I let it go overnight and
when I woke up in the morning I knew I wanted to play for Northwestern." "I got home after
workouts this afternoon and called (offensive line) coach (Adam) Cushing. He was on the
highway in Ohio and he said he almost swerved off the road he was so excited." This from a
kid who lives in Pittsburg. 

 

These aren't the only stories, but I think that they are important stories.

 

This may be one of the best football recruiting classes in NU history BECAUSE of NU's
admission standards.

 

It may be one of the best classes BECAUSE of the national coverage that NU gets through
the BT and bowl games reaches out to places like Pittsburg, PA and creates fans in young
smart football players like Ian Park even though he watched NU lose multiple bowl games. 

 

It may be one of the best classes because last year's class was good that those players
helped bring in their friends. 

 

It's because NU kept its promises to folks like Christian Jones. 

 

It's because the continuity in Fitz's staff has allowed them to develop long term
relationships with these kids that blossomed into commitments. 

 

It may be one of the best classes BECAUSE Fitz's pitch is simple and straightforward. NU
isn't for everyone. NU has the highest standards in the country academically and plays in
one of the best athletic conferences in the country. These kids will be going to class
with the best students in the country, practicing with some of the smartest football
players in the country, and playing against some of the best players in the country. Most
importantly when these kids commit to NU, NU commits to them. They will graduate with a
meaningful and valuable degree. They will also get a first class football education and
have an opportunity to play on Sunday if that's their goal. 

 

If these kids are any indication, NU wins every spring graduation regardless of the record
at the end of the football season. That's because every graduation is demonstration that
NU is serious about the promise it makes to these recruits. 

 

These are great kids. They are leaders. They have passion. They are willing to take a risk
because they understand what it would mean to them and their teammates to be able to take
NU football to the next level.

 

Looking forward to signing day.

Jeff

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of rstetson at capps-assoc.com
Sent: Sun 1/8/2012 1:22 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com; neonrye at aol.com; Jim Bendat; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Odenigbo

Trai Essex could but RW made him choose

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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Sent: Sun, Jan 8, 2012 15:47:18 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Odenigbo

Can he play hoops too ?
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To: Jim Bendat<thehaze at earthlink.net>; NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Odenigbo

I doubt he will redshirt a 4-star--absent some setback in camp.  The only 
concern might be his lack of weight, at least at the outset of his career.
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From: Jim Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net>
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Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 21:35:46 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: Jim Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Odenigbo

I'm a little late to today's party, but this is great news. As Paul said, a 
good pick-me-up for the new year. Now, as I understand it, the kid is saying 
he may well wsnt to get his masters at NU. He also said he doesn't mind 
redshirting next year - which would be consistent with wanting to earn a 
masters during his fifth year.

The question then becomes one of whether Fitz will feel he's just too good a 
player to sit next year.

Jim B.



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>Sent: Jan 7, 2012 11:24 AM
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>Subject: [NU Sports] 4 minute TV story about Odenigbo family
>
>A very nice TV story from the Under Armour All-Star game which shows why
>Odenigbo chose NU.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-ovayOrXTY
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Jan  8 17:28:58 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 17:28:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Wisconsin loses 5 coaches
Message-ID: <20120108232859.2373B6544D@romaine.tssi.com>

The Wisconsin coaching staff will be 50% new next season, as five
assistants have left, including their OC.  Iowa also lost two coaches, 
one who retired and one who took a job at Nebraska, which lost its DC.  

Added to the top-to-bottom (or nearly so) turnover at Ohio State and 
Penn State, and there are a lot of questions about coaching in
the Big Ten in 2012.  Northwestern not making any coaching personnel
changes may not be all that bad a thing.
--
Mike Nolan


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Jan  8 17:41:50 2012
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 18:41:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Odenigbo
Message-ID: <fc48.5141adfe.3c3b83bd@aol.com>

I love your post Jeff, even more if there are roses on the  path

From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Jan  9 22:54:31 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 22:54:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
Message-ID: <20120110045431.EE7DF654D2@romaine.tssi.com>

I can't help but think that there are a few schools that could have
put up more points than LSU did tonight, like Oklahoma State.  

So, the 2011 season ends, and the 2012 season starts in less than 34 weeks.

Go Cats!
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  9 23:02:44 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 21:02:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Did I forget the bowl pool this year?
Message-ID: <1326171764.22738.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

How come none of you reminded me?! :)

Oh well, I guess it's fitting given than snoozefest of a title game that turned from the "rematch no one wanted" into the worst title game ever.

Another amazing season of college football ending with a resounding thud and a craptastic title game that left the ESPN folk trying to justify a team that didn't even win its division or play in its league title game as the "clear" champion over two 13-1 teams who both have beaten more top 25 teams than Bama.

Sorry I forgot it ... looks like we all were not terribly excited by the eternal season of bowls, though I'm sure none of us will forget that Arkansas State/Northern Illinois thriller the other night.

Yawn.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Jan  9 23:42:24 2012
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 00:42:24 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
In-Reply-To: <20120110045431.EE7DF654D2@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20120110045431.EE7DF654D2@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <4F0BCFC0.8080309@att.net>

But the problem was that no one ever proposed putting OkSU against 
Alabama. Anyone who was clamoring for a different matchup was looking 
for OkSU against LSU. The question that everyone asked was whether 
Alabama belonged. Obviously, they did. Did they really belong in a 
four-team playoff? Absolutely. But then, according to the rankings, we'd 
have had two teams who didn't win their division in the playoff, as 
Stanford finished the season at #4. We'd have been debating whether 
Oregon should have gotten in over them.

As of right now, the only sure-fire way to get to the championship game 
is to win all of your games in one of the power conferences. If you 
don't do that, then you're leaving yourself at the mercy of the voters 
or computers or whoever, and you really can't complain. Well, you can, 
but it just comes off as whining.

-Michael

On 1/9/2012 11:54 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:
> I can't help but think that there are a few schools that could have
> put up more points than LSU did tonight, like Oklahoma State.
>
> So, the 2011 season ends, and the 2012 season starts in less than 34 weeks.
>
> Go Cats!
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 10 07:28:27 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:28:27 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
In-Reply-To: <4F0BCFC0.8080309@att.net>
References: <20120110045431.EE7DF654D2@romaine.tssi.com>
 <4F0BCFC0.8080309@att.net>
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The system worked.(At least this year anyhow)  Anyone watching the game last night and who followed this past season can only conclude that the Tide is #1 and the Tigers #2. Okie State and Stanford,as good as they were certainly can't make any legitimate claims to be any higher. Throw in several exciting bowl games that would not have occurred with a playoff system and you should have little complaint from those looking for clarity and an exciting season.  The only downer was that the game last night lacked excitement

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 00:42:24 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

But the problem was that no one ever proposed putting OkSU against 
Alabama. Anyone who was clamoring for a different matchup was looking 
for OkSU against LSU. The question that everyone asked was whether 
Alabama belonged. Obviously, they did. Did they really belong in a 
four-team playoff? Absolutely. But then, according to the rankings, we'd 
have had two teams who didn't win their division in the playoff, as 
Stanford finished the season at #4. We'd have been debating whether 
Oregon should have gotten in over them.

As of right now, the only sure-fire way to get to the championship game 
is to win all of your games in one of the power conferences. If you 
don't do that, then you're leaving yourself at the mercy of the voters 
or computers or whoever, and you really can't complain. Well, you can, 
but it just comes off as whining.

-Michael

On 1/9/2012 11:54 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:
> I can't help but think that there are a few schools that could have
> put up more points than LSU did tonight, like Oklahoma State.
>
> So, the 2011 season ends, and the 2012 season starts in less than 34 weeks.
>
> Go Cats!
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 10 07:59:25 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:59:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
In-Reply-To: <509156221-1326202108-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-270015662-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <20120110045431.EE7DF654D2@romaine.tssi.com>
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Message-ID: <1326203965.39296.YahooMailNeo@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

You could draw a lot of conclusions from the "title" game about Bama's defense and its place in history, Slick Nick Saban, etc.

... but how on earth could anyone say that the "system worked."

You have a team who did not even win their division, yet alone play in their conference's title game, being crowned national CHAMP??? A team that doesn't have the best record and still has fewer wins over top 25 teams than the two 13-1 teams??? And the reason they didn't play in their league's title game was that they lost ... at home ... to the league champ. If the college season is so meaningful and "every game counts,' then that should count.

All this game proves is that with a month off for a good coach to prepare, they can win a rematch.

Stanford didn't win their league, so they have no claim.

But Oklahoma State has every bit as much right to call themselves the champs - they won their league, finished 13-1 and were unfortunately never allowed the chance to show what might have happened with their offense vs. LSU's defense in a battle of champions because of the system.

The system most certainly did not work. Sorry. You can call Bama the best D, best coach, best team in January or whatever you want. But the system absolutely did not work.

This would have been like UNL beating everyone's clear #1 Miami in 2001 after that loss to Colorado and not playing in their conference title game. The only reason people are drinking the B(C)S kool aid this time around is because the #2 team that didn't win its league and has an inferior resume was an SEC team.

Yawn. DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



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 From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
 
The system worked.(At least this year anyhow)? Anyone watching the game last night and who followed this past season can only conclude that the Tide is #1 and the Tigers #2. Okie State and Stanford,as good as they were certainly can't make any legitimate claims to be any higher. Throw in several exciting bowl games that would not have occurred with a playoff system and you should have little complaint from those looking for clarity and an exciting season.? The only downer was that the game last night lacked excitement

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 00:42:24 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

But the problem was that no one ever proposed putting OkSU against 
Alabama. Anyone who was clamoring for a different matchup was looking 
for OkSU against LSU. The question that everyone asked was whether 
Alabama belonged. Obviously, they did. Did they really belong in a 
four-team playoff? Absolutely. But then, according to the rankings, we'd 
have had two teams who didn't win their division in the playoff, as 
Stanford finished the season at #4. We'd have been debating whether 
Oregon should have gotten in over them.

As of right now, the only sure-fire way to get to the championship game 
is to win all of your games in one of the power conferences. If you 
don't do that, then you're leaving yourself at the mercy of the voters 
or computers or whoever, and you really can't complain. Well, you can, 
but it just comes off as whining.

-Michael

On 1/9/2012 11:54 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:
> I can't help but think that there are a few schools that could have
> put up more points than LSU did tonight, like Oklahoma State.
>
> So, the 2011 season ends, and the 2012 season starts in less than 34 weeks.
>
> Go Cats!
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 10 08:18:14 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:18:14 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
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If you can make a case that someone else deserves the #1 ranking I would welcome it.  Okie State lost to an unranked team. That alone does not disqualify them, but since Alabama only lost to a #2 ranked team. (Obviously in OT as well) I find it difficult to be persuaded that given the season in totality, that they have a claim. The only school that may have been better was USC but past cheating knocks them out.  

 As to the regular season being discounted because of Tide's earlier loss, I can only say that using that rule, you could dethrown a whole host of past champs in many other sports both professional and collegiate.  And if I am to interpret you correctly, if the top 2 teams happen to come from the same conference ,then whoever wins their head to head matchup in the regular season(assuming no other losses) should be #1 period

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:59:25 
To: hakirsch at aol.com<hakirsch at aol.com>; Michael Vance<michael.vance at att.net>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

You could draw a lot of conclusions from the "title" game about Bama's defense and its place in history, Slick Nick Saban, etc.

... but how on earth could anyone say that the "system worked."

You have a team who did not even win their division, yet alone play in their conference's title game, being crowned national CHAMP??? A team that doesn't have the best record and still has fewer wins over top 25 teams than the two 13-1 teams??? And the reason they didn't play in their league's title game was that they lost ... at home ... to the league champ. If the college season is so meaningful and "every game counts,' then that should count.

All this game proves is that with a month off for a good coach to prepare, they can win a rematch.

Stanford didn't win their league, so they have no claim.

But Oklahoma State has every bit as much right to call themselves the champs - they won their league, finished 13-1 and were unfortunately never allowed the chance to show what might have happened with their offense vs. LSU's defense in a battle of champions because of the system.

The system most certainly did not work. Sorry. You can call Bama the best D, best coach, best team in January or whatever you want. But the system absolutely did not work.

This would have been like UNL beating everyone's clear #1 Miami in 2001 after that loss to Colorado and not playing in their conference title game. The only reason people are drinking the B(C)S kool aid this time around is because the #2 team that didn't win its league and has an inferior resume was an SEC team.

Yawn. DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
 
The system worked.(At least this year anyhow)? Anyone watching the game last night and who followed this past season can only conclude that the Tide is #1 and the Tigers #2. Okie State and Stanford,as good as they were certainly can't make any legitimate claims to be any higher. Throw in several exciting bowl games that would not have occurred with a playoff system and you should have little complaint from those looking for clarity and an exciting season.? The only downer was that the game last night lacked excitement

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 00:42:24 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

But the problem was that no one ever proposed putting OkSU against 
Alabama. Anyone who was clamoring for a different matchup was looking 
for OkSU against LSU. The question that everyone asked was whether 
Alabama belonged. Obviously, they did. Did they really belong in a 
four-team playoff? Absolutely. But then, according to the rankings, we'd 
have had two teams who didn't win their division in the playoff, as 
Stanford finished the season at #4. We'd have been debating whether 
Oregon should have gotten in over them.

As of right now, the only sure-fire way to get to the championship game 
is to win all of your games in one of the power conferences. If you 
don't do that, then you're leaving yourself at the mercy of the voters 
or computers or whoever, and you really can't complain. Well, you can, 
but it just comes off as whining.

-Michael

On 1/9/2012 11:54 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:
> I can't help but think that there are a few schools that could have
> put up more points than LSU did tonight, like Oklahoma State.
>
> So, the 2011 season ends, and the 2012 season starts in less than 34 weeks.
>
> Go Cats!
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 10 09:02:07 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:02:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
In-Reply-To: <1089748643-1326205095-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1687728913-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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To borrow from "Name That Tune," I can make the case in one note! :)
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1a) Oklahoma State won their conference.
1b) LSU beat Alabama. At Alabama. In the "Game of the Century"
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Also ...
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2) Both have 13-1 records
3) Both beat more top 25 teams than Bama
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Oh yeah, and both WON THEIR CONFERENCE!
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You can't discount Okie State just because the stupid system kept them from ever having a shot.
?
As for dismissing champs of other leagues, those other leagues clearly have a playoff system and it is accepted that the champ is the team that gets hot towards the end of the season, not always the "best" team.
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But college football has always said that they don't go to a playoff or a March Madness-like event because the "regular season counts" and it makes those games more valuable.
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Hogwash. The B(C)S just gave a team a "do over" that negated the "game of the century." Oklahoma-UNL didn't replay their classic in the '70s. Po' Bobby didn't get a re-kick against the Canes. Even darling Notre Dame cound't get a mulligan against FSU (and heck, they even BEAT FSU the first time and still finished behind them).
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If the regular season counts so much, then Bama's out. Period. They lost to #1. They didn't win their league. They cannot be the champion - that's been part of college football since 1936.
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But hey, I'm happy this morning because trying to force feed a team that didn't even win their own league as champion of college football is just one step closer to ending the abomination known as the B(C)S ... UNL and Oklahoma couldn't do it when they backed into the title game, but they didn't have a rematch. 
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Give Nick Saban a month to prepare and winning a rematch isn't all that surprising or impressive. Certainly not as impressive as what LSU or OSU did during the entire 2011 campaign.
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DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


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From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>; "nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com" <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!


If you can make a case that someone else deserves the #1 ranking I would welcome it. Okie State lost to an unranked team. That alone does not disqualify them, but since Alabama only lost to a #2 ranked team. (Obviously in OT as well) I find it difficult to be persuaded that given the season in totality, that they have a claim. The only school that may have been better was USC but past cheating knocks them out. 

As to the regular season being discounted because of Tide's earlier loss, I can only say that using that rule, you could dethrown a whole host of past champs in many other sports both professional and collegiate. And if I am to interpret you correctly, if the top 2 teams happen to come from the same conference ,then whoever wins their head to head matchup in the regular season(assuming no other losses) should be #1 period

Harry 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

________________________________

From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:59:25 -0800 (PST)
To: hakirsch at aol.com<hakirsch at aol.com>; Michael Vance<michael.vance at att.net>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
ReplyTo: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

You could draw a lot of conclusions from the "title" game about Bama's defense and its place in history, Slick Nick Saban, etc.

... but how on earth could anyone say that the "system worked."

You have a team who did not even win their division, yet alone play in their conference's title game, being crowned national CHAMP??? A team that doesn't have the best record and still has fewer wins over top 25 teams than the two 13-1 teams??? And the reason they didn't play in their league's title game was that they lost ... at home ... to the league champ. If the college season is so meaningful and "every game counts,' then that should count.

All this game proves is that with a month off for a good coach to prepare, they can win a rematch.

Stanford didn't win their league, so they have no claim.

But Oklahoma State has every bit as much right to call themselves the champs - they won their league, finished 13-1 and were unfortunately never allowed the chance to show what might have happened with their offense vs. LSU's defense in a battle of champions because of the system.

The system most certainly did not work. Sorry. You can call Bama the best D, best coach, best team in January or whatever you want. But the system absolutely did not work.

This would have been like UNL beating everyone's clear #1 Miami in 2001 after that loss to Colorado and not playing in their conference title game. The only reason people are drinking the B(C)S kool aid this time around is because the #2 team that didn't win its league and has an inferior resume was an SEC team.

Yawn. DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 

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From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

The system worked.(At least this year anyhow)? Anyone watching the game last night and who followed this past season can only conclude that the Tide is #1 and the Tigers #2. Okie State and Stanford,as good as they were certainly can't make any legitimate claims to be any higher. Throw in several exciting bowl games that would not have occurred with a playoff system and you should have little complaint from those looking for clarity and an exciting season.? The only downer was that the game last night lacked excitement

Harry
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

But the problem was that no one ever proposed putting OkSU against 
Alabama. Anyone who was clamoring for a different matchup was looking 
for OkSU against LSU. The question that everyone asked was whether 
Alabama belonged. Obviously, they did. Did they really belong in a 
four-team playoff? Absolutely. But then, according to the rankings, we'd 
have had two teams who didn't win their division in the playoff, as 
Stanford finished the season at #4. We'd have been debating whether 
Oregon should have gotten in over them.

As of right now, the only sure-fire way to get to the championship game 
is to win all of your games in one of the power conferences. If you 
don't do that, then you're leaving yourself at the mercy of the voters 
or computers or whoever, and you really can't complain. Well, you can, 
but it just comes off as whining.

-Michael

On 1/9/2012 11:54 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:
> I can't help but think that there are a few schools that could have
> put up more points than LSU did tonight, like Oklahoma State.
>
> So, the 2011 season ends, and the 2012 season starts in less than 34 weeks.
>
> Go Cats!
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 10 09:28:24 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 15:28:24 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
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SJT is more knowledgeable and certainly much more passionate about college football than I will ever be .  But anyone waking up this morning and thinking that the BCS system is flawed based on the evidence of the 2011 season will never be happy with the outcome.  Does anyone not think that the S.E.C. was not the best conference ?  Does anyone not believe that based on the regular and post season (Bowls plus Championship game)  that the 2 top teams weren't Bama and LSU ,whichever order you desire ?   

Sorry for UNL that they had the guts to go for 2 and sorry for Oklahoma that Johnny Rodgers ran them ragged (and by the way that year UNL clobbered then #2 Bama 47-7 in the Bowl game). But those teams won the games when they had to just as the NYGiants beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl after they won 18 straight including a last game of the season victory over the Giants

Harry
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From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 07:02:07 
To: hakirsch at aol.com<hakirsch at aol.com>; Michael Vance<michael.vance at att.net>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

To borrow from "Name That Tune," I can make the case in one note! :)
?
1a) Oklahoma State won their conference.
1b) LSU beat Alabama. At Alabama. In the "Game of the Century"
?
Also ...
?
2) Both have 13-1 records
3) Both beat more top 25 teams than Bama
?
Oh yeah, and both WON THEIR CONFERENCE!
?
You can't discount Okie State just because the stupid system kept them from ever having a shot.
?
As for dismissing champs of other leagues, those other leagues clearly have a playoff system and it is accepted that the champ is the team that gets hot towards the end of the season, not always the "best" team.
?
But college football has always said that they don't go to a playoff or a March Madness-like event because the "regular season counts" and it makes those games more valuable.
?
Hogwash. The B(C)S just gave a team a "do over" that negated the "game of the century." Oklahoma-UNL didn't replay their classic in the '70s. Po' Bobby didn't get a re-kick against the Canes. Even darling Notre Dame cound't get a mulligan against FSU (and heck, they even BEAT FSU the first time and still finished behind them).
?
If the regular season counts so much, then Bama's out. Period. They lost to #1. They didn't win their league. They cannot be the champion - that's been part of college football since 1936.
?
But hey, I'm happy this morning because trying to force feed a team that didn't even win their own league as champion of college football is just one step closer to ending the abomination known as the B(C)S ... UNL and Oklahoma couldn't do it when they backed into the title game, but they didn't have a rematch. 
?
Give Nick Saban a month to prepare and winning a rematch isn't all that surprising or impressive. Certainly not as impressive as what LSU or OSU did during the entire 2011 campaign.
?
DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


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To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>; "nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com" <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:18 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!


If you can make a case that someone else deserves the #1 ranking I would welcome it. Okie State lost to an unranked team. That alone does not disqualify them, but since Alabama only lost to a #2 ranked team. (Obviously in OT as well) I find it difficult to be persuaded that given the season in totality, that they have a claim. The only school that may have been better was USC but past cheating knocks them out. 

As to the regular season being discounted because of Tide's earlier loss, I can only say that using that rule, you could dethrown a whole host of past champs in many other sports both professional and collegiate. And if I am to interpret you correctly, if the top 2 teams happen to come from the same conference ,then whoever wins their head to head matchup in the regular season(assuming no other losses) should be #1 period

Harry 
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From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 05:59:25 -0800 (PST)
To: hakirsch at aol.com<hakirsch at aol.com>; Michael Vance<michael.vance at att.net>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
ReplyTo: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

You could draw a lot of conclusions from the "title" game about Bama's defense and its place in history, Slick Nick Saban, etc.

... but how on earth could anyone say that the "system worked."

You have a team who did not even win their division, yet alone play in their conference's title game, being crowned national CHAMP??? A team that doesn't have the best record and still has fewer wins over top 25 teams than the two 13-1 teams??? And the reason they didn't play in their league's title game was that they lost ... at home ... to the league champ. If the college season is so meaningful and "every game counts,' then that should count.

All this game proves is that with a month off for a good coach to prepare, they can win a rematch.

Stanford didn't win their league, so they have no claim.

But Oklahoma State has every bit as much right to call themselves the champs - they won their league, finished 13-1 and were unfortunately never allowed the chance to show what might have happened with their offense vs. LSU's defense in a battle of champions because of the system.

The system most certainly did not work. Sorry. You can call Bama the best D, best coach, best team in January or whatever you want. But the system absolutely did not work.

This would have been like UNL beating everyone's clear #1 Miami in 2001 after that loss to Colorado and not playing in their conference title game. The only reason people are drinking the B(C)S kool aid this time around is because the #2 team that didn't win its league and has an inferior resume was an SEC team.

Yawn. DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 

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From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:28 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

The system worked.(At least this year anyhow)? Anyone watching the game last night and who followed this past season can only conclude that the Tide is #1 and the Tigers #2. Okie State and Stanford,as good as they were certainly can't make any legitimate claims to be any higher. Throw in several exciting bowl games that would not have occurred with a playoff system and you should have little complaint from those looking for clarity and an exciting season.? The only downer was that the game last night lacked excitement

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 00:42:24 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

But the problem was that no one ever proposed putting OkSU against 
Alabama. Anyone who was clamoring for a different matchup was looking 
for OkSU against LSU. The question that everyone asked was whether 
Alabama belonged. Obviously, they did. Did they really belong in a 
four-team playoff? Absolutely. But then, according to the rankings, we'd 
have had two teams who didn't win their division in the playoff, as 
Stanford finished the season at #4. We'd have been debating whether 
Oregon should have gotten in over them.

As of right now, the only sure-fire way to get to the championship game 
is to win all of your games in one of the power conferences. If you 
don't do that, then you're leaving yourself at the mercy of the voters 
or computers or whoever, and you really can't complain. Well, you can, 
but it just comes off as whining.

-Michael

On 1/9/2012 11:54 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:
> I can't help but think that there are a few schools that could have
> put up more points than LSU did tonight, like Oklahoma State.
>
> So, the 2011 season ends, and the 2012 season starts in less than 34 weeks.
>
> Go Cats!
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Jan 10 10:05:13 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:05:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
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> SJT is more knowledgeable and certainly much more passionate about college =
> football than I will ever be .  But anyone waking up this morning and think=
> ing that the BCS system is flawed based on the evidence of the 2011 season =
> will never be happy with the outcome.  Does anyone not think that the S.E.C=
> . was not the best conference ?  Does anyone not believe that based on the =
> regular and post season (Bowls plus Championship game)  that the 2 top team=
> s weren't Bama and LSU ,whichever order you desire ?   =

All we really know is that in 8 quarters plus overtime, LSU was able to
put up only 3 field goals against Alabama.  How another top 10 team
like Okie State, Stanford, Oregon or even bowl-flop Wisconsin would 
have done is an unanswered question.  How high powered offenses like 
Boise State and West Virginia would have done is also an unanswered 
question.  West Virgina scored almost as many points against LSU as 
'Bama did, in half the time.  

Yeah, they're probably the two best defenses in the country
(ie, the best that money can buy), I'm not nearly as convinced 
they were (or are) the best two overall teams.

Those thrilling games by 'Bama against Kent State, North Texas,
Georgia Southern (that's not a proper name for a school, that's 
a railroad!) should earn a derisive comment from Gordon Gee, but 
I guess he's off getting another tattoo.  

Do I think a playoff is a better answer?  Not really, but I think
we'll get one within the next 6-8 years, and it won't quell
the complaints, just change who's complaining and what about.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 10 10:35:56 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:35:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
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All we'll get with a playoff will be two Jan 1 bowls will be the first round (and will
rotate so we'll have non-Big 10/Pac 10 in the Rose) with the final game two weeks later.

I guess that is better than the sportswriters and coaches picking blind, but the Big 10,
with tougher early season games, will have a really hard time making it to the top 4 as we
knock each other off year after year....

rsl

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Do I think a playoff is a better answer?  Not really, but I think
we'll get one within the next 6-8 years, and it won't quell
the complaints, just change who's complaining and what about.
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 10 12:21:09 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:21:09 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
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I have always enjoyed these discussions on who is # 1 which occur without a playoff system. Not that the NCAA tournament guarantees us the best with its system, but it does generate the best team under the given rules (ie who prepares their squad the best for an end of the season 3 week run). The only difference in football is there are few rules to go by. Only that the regular season counts a lot, with later being generally more valued than earlier and that the BCS championship game winner will be declared #1 by at least one poll.

Thus the lack of a playoff system not only keeps the chat boards probably busier than with one, but can result in more than one team legitimately claiming a first spot (although in my mind--not this year).  My only disappointment this year (besides NU's bowl loss!) is that we didn't have 3 undefeated teams going into the bowls again and arguing about who got robbed 

Harry 


------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: Harry
Cc: SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)
Cc: Michael Vance
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
Sent: Jan 10, 2012 8:05 AM

> SJT is more knowledgeable and certainly much more passionate about college =
> football than I will ever be .  But anyone waking up this morning and think=
> ing that the BCS system is flawed based on the evidence of the 2011 season =
> will never be happy with the outcome.  Does anyone not think that the S.E.C=
> . was not the best conference ?  Does anyone not believe that based on the =
> regular and post season (Bowls plus Championship game)  that the 2 top team=
> s weren't Bama and LSU ,whichever order you desire ?   =

All we really know is that in 8 quarters plus overtime, LSU was able to
put up only 3 field goals against Alabama.  How another top 10 team
like Okie State, Stanford, Oregon or even bowl-flop Wisconsin would 
have done is an unanswered question.  How high powered offenses like 
Boise State and West Virginia would have done is also an unanswered 
question.  West Virgina scored almost as many points against LSU as 
'Bama did, in half the time.  

Yeah, they're probably the two best defenses in the country
(ie, the best that money can buy), I'm not nearly as convinced 
they were (or are) the best two overall teams.

Those thrilling games by 'Bama against Kent State, North Texas,
Georgia Southern (that's not a proper name for a school, that's 
a railroad!) should earn a derisive comment from Gordon Gee, but 
I guess he's off getting another tattoo.  

Do I think a playoff is a better answer?  Not really, but I think
we'll get one within the next 6-8 years, and it won't quell
the complaints, just change who's complaining and what about.
--
Mike Nolan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 10 12:34:28 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:34:28 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
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While some of you may call me crazy for asking, but to those out there advocating a football playoff what would suggest if an Ivy League school was rated in the top 4 (or 8) at the end of the season since I believe they self are self banned from playing in the post season ?
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Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:21:09 
To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

I have always enjoyed these discussions on who is # 1 which occur without a playoff system. Not that the NCAA tournament guarantees us the best with its system, but it does generate the best team under the given rules (ie who prepares their squad the best for an end of the season 3 week run). The only difference in football is there are few rules to go by. Only that the regular season counts a lot, with later being generally more valued than earlier and that the BCS championship game winner will be declared #1 by at least one poll.

Thus the lack of a playoff system not only keeps the chat boards probably busier than with one, but can result in more than one team legitimately claiming a first spot (although in my mind--not this year).  My only disappointment this year (besides NU's bowl loss!) is that we didn't have 3 undefeated teams going into the bowls again and arguing about who got robbed 

Harry 


------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: Harry
Cc: SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)
Cc: Michael Vance
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
Sent: Jan 10, 2012 8:05 AM

> SJT is more knowledgeable and certainly much more passionate about college =
> football than I will ever be .  But anyone waking up this morning and think=
> ing that the BCS system is flawed based on the evidence of the 2011 season =
> will never be happy with the outcome.  Does anyone not think that the S.E.C=
> . was not the best conference ?  Does anyone not believe that based on the =
> regular and post season (Bowls plus Championship game)  that the 2 top team=
> s weren't Bama and LSU ,whichever order you desire ?   =

All we really know is that in 8 quarters plus overtime, LSU was able to
put up only 3 field goals against Alabama.  How another top 10 team
like Okie State, Stanford, Oregon or even bowl-flop Wisconsin would 
have done is an unanswered question.  How high powered offenses like 
Boise State and West Virginia would have done is also an unanswered 
question.  West Virgina scored almost as many points against LSU as 
'Bama did, in half the time.  

Yeah, they're probably the two best defenses in the country
(ie, the best that money can buy), I'm not nearly as convinced 
they were (or are) the best two overall teams.

Those thrilling games by 'Bama against Kent State, North Texas,
Georgia Southern (that's not a proper name for a school, that's 
a railroad!) should earn a derisive comment from Gordon Gee, but 
I guess he's off getting another tattoo.  

Do I think a playoff is a better answer?  Not really, but I think
we'll get one within the next 6-8 years, and it won't quell
the complaints, just change who's complaining and what about.
--
Mike Nolan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Jan 10 13:00:46 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:00:46 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
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The Ivy League is already a part of the Football Championship Subdivision
(e.g. I-AA) and is, according to the NCAA, eligible for those playoffs but
as you noted has its own rule that they do not participate in those
playoffs (instead sticking to a strict 10 game schedule).  Also, they do
not offer athletic scholarships of any kind (similar to Patriot League
teams who do not allow football scholarships but recently have allowed
scholarships in other sports).  Also, the SWAC teams typically do not
participate in the FCS playoffs as their conference schedule conflicts with
the playoff games.

Although the AP has allowed FCS teams to be eligible for their Top 25 poll,
I don't believe the Coaches Poll allows one to vote for FCS teams (since
that subdivision has their own coaches poll); also, I don't think the
Harris Poll allows one to vote for FCS teams and I'm not sure if all of the
computers rank all Div I teams (I know at least some, like Sagarin, do).
Therefore, I don't think it's possible for an FCS team to have a BCS
ranking and therefore would not be eligible for any kind of playoff
(assuming they use something like the current rankings).

The plus-one model COULD be viable if there are lots of provisions to
protect the Rose Bowl's Big Ten/Pac-12 matchup (like it can never host a
semifinal and it can only lose an affiliated conference champ if they are
in the top 4) and Delany finally succumbs to the tide of current opinion.
We'll find out over the next couple of months, I suppose.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:34 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> While some of you may call me crazy for asking, but to those out there
> advocating a football playoff what would suggest if an Ivy League school
> was rated in the top 4 (or 8) at the end of the season since I believe they
> self are self banned from playing in the post season ?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hakirsch at aol.com
> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:21:09
> To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: hakirsch at aol.com
> Cc: SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)<sjtruog at yahoo.com>; Michael Vance<
> michael.vance at att.net>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<
> nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
>
> I have always enjoyed these discussions on who is # 1 which occur without
> a playoff system. Not that the NCAA tournament guarantees us the best with
> its system, but it does generate the best team under the given rules (ie
> who prepares their squad the best for an end of the season 3 week run). The
> only difference in football is there are few rules to go by. Only that the
> regular season counts a lot, with later being generally more valued than
> earlier and that the BCS championship game winner will be declared #1 by at
> least one poll.
>
> Thus the lack of a playoff system not only keeps the chat boards probably
> busier than with one, but can result in more than one team legitimately
> claiming a first spot (although in my mind--not this year).  My only
> disappointment this year (besides NU's bowl loss!) is that we didn't have 3
> undefeated teams going into the bowls again and arguing about who got robbed
>
> Harry
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mike Nolan
> To: Harry
> Cc: SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)
> Cc: Michael Vance
> Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
> Sent: Jan 10, 2012 8:05 AM
>
> > SJT is more knowledgeable and certainly much more passionate about
> college =
> > football than I will ever be .  But anyone waking up this morning and
> think=
> > ing that the BCS system is flawed based on the evidence of the 2011
> season =
> > will never be happy with the outcome.  Does anyone not think that the
> S.E.C=
> > . was not the best conference ?  Does anyone not believe that based on
> the =
> > regular and post season (Bowls plus Championship game)  that the 2 top
> team=
> > s weren't Bama and LSU ,whichever order you desire ?   =
>
> All we really know is that in 8 quarters plus overtime, LSU was able to
> put up only 3 field goals against Alabama.  How another top 10 team
> like Okie State, Stanford, Oregon or even bowl-flop Wisconsin would
> have done is an unanswered question.  How high powered offenses like
> Boise State and West Virginia would have done is also an unanswered
> question.  West Virgina scored almost as many points against LSU as
> 'Bama did, in half the time.
>
> Yeah, they're probably the two best defenses in the country
> (ie, the best that money can buy), I'm not nearly as convinced
> they were (or are) the best two overall teams.
>
> Those thrilling games by 'Bama against Kent State, North Texas,
> Georgia Southern (that's not a proper name for a school, that's
> a railroad!) should earn a derisive comment from Gordon Gee, but
> I guess he's off getting another tattoo.
>
> Do I think a playoff is a better answer?  Not really, but I think
> we'll get one within the next 6-8 years, and it won't quell
> the complaints, just change who's complaining and what about.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jan 10 13:12:33 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:12:33 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
In-Reply-To: <666703438-1326220470-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1567776912-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <2000344325-1326219672-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1837544393-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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I think you have to go at this, as some on this list have suggested,
with an eye toward what is best for NU (and by implication the BT).

So whatever system maximizes revenue and to a lesser extent recognition
for NU and the BT is the one that works for me.

Here are the three general options:

1. A "win on the field" playoff that would take the top N teams and play
them down to one.
2. Some version of the current system where you have a mix of automatic
bids from Conference Champs and high ranking BCS teams.
3. Free market (or Pre-BCS) where the bowls have conference tie-ins and
a pecking order to determine post season play - but no guarantee that #1
would play #2.  Sort out rankings at the end of the year as it had been
done prior to BCS.

So which system would generate the most money for the BT and potentially
be best for NU?  

The projected bowl revenue this year was approximately $45M but out of
that they pay roughly $14M to the teams who are competing.  That is up
significantly from pre BCS days.

The SEC and the BT are generally 1-2 every year in bowl revenue, so the
current system is performing well for both leagues.

I suspect that these revenues would be less if we returned to a free
market system if only because the NC game generates a lot of money.

I would suggest that a playoff system that consumes some part of the
Bowl schedule and reduces the number of BT teams that can participate
would probably end up being a wash for the BT.  Assuming that the same
BCS-type revenue sharing is retained, the BT will get more money for
less teams.  From a recognition point of view, however, it might be bad
for NU because it could be one of those teams from time to time who are
left out because of a 6-6 record.

I also don't think that a playoff system improves NU's chances to play
in a NC game.  As it stands now, NU has as good a chance as any other BT
team to be in the BCS championship game.  A playoff system doesn't
particularly improve those chances.

Jeff






-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of hakirsch at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:34 PM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

While some of you may call me crazy for asking, but to those out there
advocating a football playoff what would suggest if an Ivy League school
was rated in the top 4 (or 8) at the end of the season since I believe
they self are self banned from playing in the post season ?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:21:09 
To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
Reply-To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)<sjtruog at yahoo.com>; Michael
Vance<michael.vance at att.net>;
nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>;
nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

I have always enjoyed these discussions on who is # 1 which occur
without a playoff system. Not that the NCAA tournament guarantees us the
best with its system, but it does generate the best team under the given
rules (ie who prepares their squad the best for an end of the season 3
week run). The only difference in football is there are few rules to go
by. Only that the regular season counts a lot, with later being
generally more valued than earlier and that the BCS championship game
winner will be declared #1 by at least one poll.

Thus the lack of a playoff system not only keeps the chat boards
probably busier than with one, but can result in more than one team
legitimately claiming a first spot (although in my mind--not this year).
My only disappointment this year (besides NU's bowl loss!) is that we
didn't have 3 undefeated teams going into the bowls again and arguing
about who got robbed 

Harry 


------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: Harry
Cc: SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)
Cc: Michael Vance
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
Sent: Jan 10, 2012 8:05 AM

> SJT is more knowledgeable and certainly much more passionate about
college =
> football than I will ever be .  But anyone waking up this morning and
think=
> ing that the BCS system is flawed based on the evidence of the 2011
season =
> will never be happy with the outcome.  Does anyone not think that the
S.E.C=
> . was not the best conference ?  Does anyone not believe that based on
the =
> regular and post season (Bowls plus Championship game)  that the 2 top
team=
> s weren't Bama and LSU ,whichever order you desire ?   =

All we really know is that in 8 quarters plus overtime, LSU was able to
put up only 3 field goals against Alabama.  How another top 10 team
like Okie State, Stanford, Oregon or even bowl-flop Wisconsin would 
have done is an unanswered question.  How high powered offenses like 
Boise State and West Virginia would have done is also an unanswered 
question.  West Virgina scored almost as many points against LSU as 
'Bama did, in half the time.  

Yeah, they're probably the two best defenses in the country
(ie, the best that money can buy), I'm not nearly as convinced 
they were (or are) the best two overall teams.

Those thrilling games by 'Bama against Kent State, North Texas,
Georgia Southern (that's not a proper name for a school, that's 
a railroad!) should earn a derisive comment from Gordon Gee, but 
I guess he's off getting another tattoo.  

Do I think a playoff is a better answer?  Not really, but I think
we'll get one within the next 6-8 years, and it won't quell
the complaints, just change who's complaining and what about.
--
Mike Nolan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 10 13:16:01 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:16:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
In-Reply-To: <2000344325-1326219672-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-596059555-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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Message-ID: <1326222961.39287.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I don't think we'll get a playoff that soon (I WISH, but the cartel is corrupt) ... but I do think we'll see a plus-one soon -- hopefully the B(C)S "braintrust" also learn from their mistakes and say that only league champions are eligible.
?
That's the real kicker about Bama's so-called title. They failed to win their own division yet alone even play for their league's championship. They lost. At home. To LSU in one of their 2-3 games this year against top 25 foes. If "every game counts," then "games of the century" certainly should!
?
This year it was actually quite easy for the B(C)S - all the other one-loss teams (Stanford, Boise, etc.) failed to win their league. So you match the Big XII champ and the SEC champ. Who cares how Okie State would do against Bama? The question should be why Bama was there in the first place.
?
If the regular season counts, you don't get do-overs. The result last night proves nothing about Bama "deserving" the title - all it shows is that with a month off to prepare, it's tough to beat Nick Saban twice. Unfortunately, we never got the chance to see what Okie State and LSU would have looked like, and they are two teams with better records than Bama, more wins over top 25 teams and, oh yeah, THEY WON THEIR CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!
?
There simply is no longer any reason to support the Cartel's exhibiton of welfare bowl gluttony. Attendance and ratings are at an all-time low. "Bowl week" now stretches out longer than a playoff system would for those who say you wouldn't have time. Academics? In the SEC? HAH! Good one. We play Tuesday and Wednesday night games and added conference title games, so stop feigning concern for the student athletes. The bowl tradition is dead (except for every couple years in Pasadena when you actually get a Big Ten champ vs. Pac 10 champ game and it's usually AWESOME!). And now the sacred, meaningful regular season argument is exposed as hogwash as well. DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!
?
As for whether a playoff will stop controversy - you'll still have the chatter about what teams were snubbed to keep message boards warm ... but I don't think it will have as much controversy over who's declared "champ" and here's why - because it will be decided ON THE FIELD. That's what angers people so much about the B(C)S and the thud at the end of every college football season -- it's that the other guys never got a chance to prove it on the field. Okie State never got a shot.

Does it mean the best team wins? Nope. No one would argue that the Green Bay Packers were the best team in pro football last year ... or that the Giants were the year they beat the Pats ... but I never heard many objections to their Lombardi trophies or Super Bowl rings because they had a chance ON THE FIELD. The Pats could have beaten the Giants again in the Super Bowl. The top-seeded F***ons could have beaten the Pack. Okie State never had that chance to see what their O would have looked like against the LSU D. Maybe they would have lost 42-0, maybe they would have won 9-6. We'll never know. So this system also leads to more dissatisfaction over the ending, especially when it's in such an awful game like last night.
?
The SEC rarely plays outside its league anyway - certainly not on the road for tough games - so if we don't even get to see their champ match up with another league in the title game now, then SEC supremacy will become even more self-perpetuating. No one doubts that they're the premiere league right now, but that doesn't mean they get both spots in the title game.
?
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


________________________________
From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> 
Cc: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>; "nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com" <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!

I have always enjoyed these discussions on who is # 1 which occur without a playoff system. Not that the NCAA tournament guarantees us the best with its system, but it does generate the best team under the given rules (ie who prepares their squad the best for an end of the season 3 week run). The only difference in football is there are few rules to go by. Only that the regular season counts a lot, with later being generally more valued than earlier and that the BCS championship game winner will be declared #1 by at least one poll.

Thus the lack of a playoff system not only keeps the chat boards probably busier than with one, but can result in more than one team legitimately claiming a first spot (although in my mind--not this year).? My only disappointment this year (besides NU's bowl loss!) is that we didn't have 3 undefeated teams going into the bowls again and arguing about who got robbed 

Harry 


------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: Harry
Cc: SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)
Cc: Michael Vance
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
Sent: Jan 10, 2012 8:05 AM

> SJT is more knowledgeable and certainly much more passionate about college =
> football than I will ever be .? But anyone waking up this morning and think=
> ing that the BCS system is flawed based on the evidence of the 2011 season =
> will never be happy with the outcome.? Does anyone not think that the S.E.C=
> . was not the best conference ?? Does anyone not believe that based on the =
> regular and post season (Bowls plus Championship game)? that the 2 top team=
> s weren't Bama and LSU ,whichever order you desire ?? =

All we really know is that in 8 quarters plus overtime, LSU was able to
put up only 3 field goals against Alabama.? How another top 10 team
like Okie State, Stanford, Oregon or even bowl-flop Wisconsin would 
have done is an unanswered question.? How high powered offenses like 
Boise State and West Virginia would have done is also an unanswered 
question.? West Virgina scored almost as many points against LSU as 
'Bama did, in half the time.? 

Yeah, they're probably the two best defenses in the country
(ie, the best that money can buy), I'm not nearly as convinced 
they were (or are) the best two overall teams.

Those thrilling games by 'Bama against Kent State, North Texas,
Georgia Southern (that's not a proper name for a school, that's 
a railroad!) should earn a derisive comment from Gordon Gee, but 
I guess he's off getting another tattoo.? 

Do I think a playoff is a better answer?? Not really, but I think
we'll get one within the next 6-8 years, and it won't quell
the complaints, just change who's complaining and what about.
--
Mike Nolan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



________________________________

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 10 13:32:12 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:32:12 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
Message-ID: <1275679139-1326223931-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1564507460-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

Iowa State. 

To me that ends the discussion. Alabama's loss was to LSU, OSU's to the Cyclones. End of discussion. 

I could live with a conference-winner only rule but for those who hold the NCAA hoops tourney sacred, there have been plenty of times it was won by a non-conference champ. Why is that wonderful in hoops but so awful in football? 

I dislike the BCS myself but I want a return to the pre-BCS system of the 1980's. 

I would note though that this year's BCS games were on the whole entertaining and well worth watching. But SJT tells me it sucks so I guess I didn't enjoy the Rose, Fiesta, or Sugar Bowls and the Orange was enjoyable in a weird way (how bad could Clemson get?). 

Throw in fun games from Detroit to Dallas and beyond and I enjoyed the bowl season a lot. 

But I am told it all sucks because some people didn't see the mythical national championship (which I really don't care about)  they wanted to, so I guess I didn't enjoy myself watching CFB the last month. Oh well.  

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Jan 10 13:48:24 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:48:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Is There A 5-Star in NU's Future?
Message-ID: <8CE9DE7F2EE0FD0-470-729E7@webmail-d175.sysops.aol.com>

Former 5-star recruit, Receiver Kyle Prater (a Proviso West HS grad), who has already tweeted that he is transferring from U$C, is now contemplating "coming home" to either Wisky or NU:? http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-praters-plan-northwestern-or-wisconsin-20120110,0,4833453.story
?
He can't transfer until 2013, but if he's healthy, we would have one helluva set of wideouts for Kain and Trevor to throw to.
?
Paul Levinson


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 10 13:54:58 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:54:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
In-Reply-To: <1275679139-1326223931-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1564507460-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1275679139-1326223931-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1564507460-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
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Iowa State was an OT road game with extenuating circumstances. OSU played a tougher schedule than Bama, won their league and deserved a shot. I think they'd have gotten pounded by LSU, but they deserved the shot more. Bama failed to win their own division or league. 'Nuff said.
?
As for why no one complains in college basketball when a 3rd place team wins it all without winning the league, again, it goes back to having a chance to prove it ON THE COURT.
?
There is no sport where the playoffs give you the most deserving champion every time -- but when the unbeaten Pats lose in the Super Bowl to a team they already beat or a 4-seed wins the NCAA tourney, no one really complains that much because everyone had a chance to prove it on the court at the end of the year.
?
Here, OSU, Boise, Oregon, Wisconsin and others were at the mercy of pollsters who sway whatever way ESPN's windy and yammering announcers blow (and man did they blow last night!) and a mix of computers.
?
It's especially cruel in college football because the big leagues rarely play each other anymore. You used to have a bunch of big battles in September between league powers, but with the B(C)S not rewarding that anymore, it's cupcake city. So when you get the SEC playing only SEC teams along with Troy and Georgia Southern ... then playing SEC teams in title games ... you never even give other leagues a shot.
?
Go back to pre-BCS, go forward to playoff but please please please end this "worst of both worlds" system of meaningless exhibition games in front of half empty stadiums and decreasing television audiences. The B(C)S is killing college football.
?
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
PS - I enjoyed the Rose Bowl too, Brad -- it's amazing what happens when you get a Big Ten/Pac 12 champ traditional matchup in Pasadena ... and a couple other bowls were entertaining, but on a whole the ratings dropped, attendance was at a historic?low and I really can't say that I watched/enjoyed more than 4-5 games. The Rose, Fiesta, Outback ... some of the Sugar ... and ... and ... and ... zzzzzzzzzzzz.?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


________________________________
From: "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com" <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:32 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters

Iowa State. 

To me that ends the discussion. Alabama's loss was to LSU, OSU's to the Cyclones. End of discussion. 

I could live with a conference-winner only rule but for those who hold the NCAA hoops tourney sacred, there have been plenty of times it was won by a non-conference champ. Why is that wonderful in hoops but so awful in football? 

I dislike the BCS myself but I want a return to the pre-BCS system of the 1980's. 

I would note though that this year's BCS games were on the whole entertaining and well worth watching. But SJT tells me it sucks so I guess I didn't enjoy the Rose, Fiesta, or Sugar Bowls and the Orange was enjoyable in a weird way (how bad could Clemson get?). 

Throw in fun games from Detroit to Dallas and beyond and I enjoyed the bowl season a lot. 

But I am told it all sucks because some people didn't see the mythical national championship (which I really don't care about)? they wanted to, so I guess I didn't enjoy myself watching CFB the last month. Oh well.? 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 10 14:00:55 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 12:00:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
Message-ID: <1326225655.79892.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

>From the LA Times ...
?Overnight ratings for Alabama's 21-0 victory over Louisiana State in the Bowl Championship Series title game?were the lowest for a national championship in the 14-year history of the BCS. The All-SEC affair, the first championship pairing of teams from the same conference, drew a 13.8 overnight rating on ESPN. The previous record low was a 14.3 for Miami-Nebraska at the 2002 Rose Bowl. The figure is down 14.3% from a 16.1 overnight for last year's Auburn-Oregon matchup.
?
And from ESPN ...
?Orange Bowl (West Virginia over Clemson, 70-33): 5.3 rating.
In 2011, the Orange Bowl between Stanford and Virginia Tech drew a 7.1.

Sugar Bowl (Michigan over Virgina Tech, 23-20 in OT): 7.0 rating.
In 2011, the Sugar Bowl between Ohio State and Arkansas drew a 9.5.

Fiesta Bowl (Oklahoma State over Stanford, 41-38 in OT): 9.7 rating.
In 2011, the Fiesta Bowl between Oklahoma and Connecticut drew a 7.1 rating.
Rose Bowl (Oregon over Wisconsin 45-38): 11.8 rating.
In 2011, the Rose Bowl between TCU and Wisconsin drew an 13.1 rating. The 2010 Rose Bowl between Ohio State and Oregon drew a 13.8.

?
This house of cards will eventually crumble ...
?
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 

________________________________

From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 14:01:36 2012
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:01:36 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
In-Reply-To: <1275679139-1326223931-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1564507460-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
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Message-ID: <CAK_3xyKkMLooQzD6L=KtDUeZ9vC=OaX3vfQqeMNX4sQ791RBDA@mail.gmail.com>

Brad nailed it.

Some people need to drop their fetish about having a clear-cut national
champion in D-I college football.  There are too many teams, playing
schedules of widely varying difficulty, and the gap in resources between
the top and bottom programs is too great to make it feasible.

The BCS seems to me a reasonable compromise, but if the chattering class
can't accept it then we should drop it completely and go back to the
pre-BCS days.

Art Miller


On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM, <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Iowa State.
>
> To me that ends the discussion. Alabama's loss was to LSU, OSU's to the
> Cyclones. End of discussion.
>
> I could live with a conference-winner only rule but for those who hold the
> NCAA hoops tourney sacred, there have been plenty of times it was won by a
> non-conference champ. Why is that wonderful in hoops but so awful in
> football?
>
> I dislike the BCS myself but I want a return to the pre-BCS system of the
> 1980's.
>
> I would note though that this year's BCS games were on the whole
> entertaining and well worth watching. But SJT tells me it sucks so I guess
> I didn't enjoy the Rose, Fiesta, or Sugar Bowls and the Orange was
> enjoyable in a weird way (how bad could Clemson get?).
>
> Throw in fun games from Detroit to Dallas and beyond and I enjoyed the
> bowl season a lot.
>
> But I am told it all sucks because some people didn't see the mythical
> national championship (which I really don't care about)  they wanted to, so
> I guess I didn't enjoy myself watching CFB the last month. Oh well.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Tue Jan 10 14:41:44 2012
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:41:44 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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It used to be - back in the old days - the only people mewling for a
national championship game were the independents - primarily ND and Penn
State and their fans.  They had nothing else to play for.  The rest of the
nation was happy with the old system.  There were the Tangerine, Sun and
Peach Bowls and maybe a couple of others along with the Orange, Sugar,
Cotton and Granddaddy Rose.  Generally, schools with good football teams
from cold places were rewarded with a warm winter trip.   

The Rose, of course, was special because of the tradition the Rose, Big 10
and the Pac-12 (previously, Big Five, Big Six, Pacific-8, Pacific-10) built
together for over half a century.  Even outside Big 10 and Pac-12 country,
people had Rose Bowl parties to watch the game.

Then came along ESPN.  They have tried to homogenize and nationalize college
football to suit their own programming needs - everyone watch the games on
their network; everyone watch their national news programming - no need to
regionally breakdown the news, just key in on the biggest stories
nationally.  It made sense for ESPN - a national market with lower
programming cost.  As a result, many - particularly younger people - have
bought into the mantra that there should be a playoff system.

Along came Fox, its regional sports channels, eventually the Big Ten
Network, and now the Pac-12 Networks.  Fox may never get as big as ESPN, but
it has and is eroding ESPN's market.  Namely, Fox has segmented the markets
to let people focus on the markets (conferences) they are most interested
in.  Unlike pro baseball, basketball and football, Fox recognizes that there
are far too many college football programs for people to be able to have a
constant global interest in all of them.

The "partnership" announced a couple of weeks ago by The Big Ten and Pac-12
has likely been facilitated by Fox and maximizing of revenue that will occur
for Fox and the conferences as a result.  As I said last month, I think this
"partnership" signals that the demise of the BCS is coming.  The Big Ten and
Pac-12 wouldn't be doing this if they had a big concern about qualifying one
or more of their respective schools for BCS games with cupcake games.  The
Rose Bowl will likely (hopefully) contract with The Big Ten and Pac-12 to
lock in the champions for that bowl.  (If a champion is called-off to some
sort of national championship game, the runner-up (loser of championship
game or by formula) can go to the Rose Bowl instead.)

Nothing would please me more than to see Fox eventually start showing The
Big Ten and Pac-12 conference games on its local affiliates in addition to
its sports networks and to have Fox steal away The Rose Bowl (with a Big Ten
and Pac-12 lock) from ESPN.  

In short, screw ESPN and all the others (particularly ND) that want to
nationalize college football and have a playoff at the expense of the Rose
with its Big Ten and Pac-12 tie-in.



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
Behalf Of bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:32 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters

Iowa State. 

To me that ends the discussion. Alabama's loss was to LSU, OSU's to the
Cyclones. End of discussion. 

I could live with a conference-winner only rule but for those who hold the
NCAA hoops tourney sacred, there have been plenty of times it was won by a
non-conference champ. Why is that wonderful in hoops but so awful in
football? 

I dislike the BCS myself but I want a return to the pre-BCS system of the
1980's. 

I would note though that this year's BCS games were on the whole
entertaining and well worth watching. But SJT tells me it sucks so I guess I
didn't enjoy the Rose, Fiesta, or Sugar Bowls and the Orange was enjoyable
in a weird way (how bad could Clemson get?). 

Throw in fun games from Detroit to Dallas and beyond and I enjoyed the bowl
season a lot. 

But I am told it all sucks because some people didn't see the mythical
national championship (which I really don't care about)  they wanted to, so
I guess I didn't enjoy myself watching CFB the last month. Oh well.  

Brad Wilson
Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Jan 10 14:55:30 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:55:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
In-Reply-To: <004401cccfd8$44789320$cd69b960$@warnerpatents.com>
Message-ID: <20120110205530.808E7654FB@romaine.tssi.com>

> The Rose, of course, was special because of the tradition the Rose, Big 10
> and the Pac-12 (previously, Big Five, Big Six, Pacific-8, Pacific-10) built
> together for over half a century.  Even outside Big 10 and Pac-12 country,
> people had Rose Bowl parties to watch the game.

Wasn't the Big Six a midwest conference?

It was previously the Missouri Valley Conference, a name subsequently used 
by another conference (with several teams that were part of the the old 
MVCC).  It later became the Big Seven, then the Big Eight, then 
the Big T(exas)welve.
--
Mike Nolan


From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Tue Jan 10 15:06:33 2012
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:06:33 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
In-Reply-To: <20120110205530.808E7654FB@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <004401cccfd8$44789320$cd69b960$@warnerpatents.com>
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After a pay-for-play scandal in the 1950s, the Pacific Coast Conference was
disbanded and, In 1959, the Big Five was formed (Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC,
and Washington).  In 1962, Washington State was added to make it the Big
Six.   Oregon & Oregon State were added in 1964 and it was renamed the
Pac-8.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Nolan [mailto:nolan at tssi.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:55 PM
To: Peter C. Warner
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters

> The Rose, of course, was special because of the tradition the Rose, 
> Big 10 and the Pac-12 (previously, Big Five, Big Six, Pacific-8, 
> Pacific-10) built together for over half a century.  Even outside Big 
> 10 and Pac-12 country, people had Rose Bowl parties to watch the game.

Wasn't the Big Six a midwest conference?

It was previously the Missouri Valley Conference, a name subsequently used
by another conference (with several teams that were part of the the old
MVCC).  It later became the Big Seven, then the Big Eight, then the Big
T(exas)welve.
--
Mike Nolan


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Jan 10 15:08:33 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:08:33 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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Note on the ratings: many have noted the low rating numbers this year
relative to previous years.  This is a bit misleading as the BCS games have
only been on cable (ESPN) for two years now, and this game was the 2nd
highest rated cable program ever (last year's national championship was
1st).  Although it is notable that ratings were down 14% from last year,
that may likely be considered a fluke given that the two teams were close
in proximity and the game was a dud (meanwhile, last year's game came down
to the final play).  ESPN, which has the highest national cable carriage
fees, doesn't need huge ratings to sustain itself, and these are still
plenty big numbers for them.  As Peter noted, they have done a great job
"nationalizing" college football and are now reaping the benefits in the
form of 33 of 35 bowl games (including all of the BCS games).

The conference-affiliated networks (well, at least the Big Ten Network for
right now) has pulled some power back from ESPN.  Also, look out for the
CBS Sports Network & NBC Sports Network (was Versus until Jan 1) as they
will be looking to fill air time and CFB has tons of content.  The CBS
network already has in-season CFB talk shows and replays games that were on
their network or CBS itself.  Fox is basically an association of regional
networks and doesn't have a lot of the same national power as ESPN and the
new entrants, and with recruiting and dispersed alumni the schools really
wanted the ability to distribute nationally, and these give them some
ability to do that (Fox sports net basically shows some games to specific
regions unless you have satellite/sports tier).

The big conferences have just started to exert some power (mostly through
realignment) and it will be interesting if they take back more of it from
the likes of ESPN and the bowls by utilizing their newly created networks
and other national sports networks as well.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Peter C. Warner <pcw at warnerpatents.com>wrote:

> It used to be - back in the old days - the only people mewling for a
> national championship game were the independents - primarily ND and Penn
> State and their fans.  They had nothing else to play for.  The rest of the
> nation was happy with the old system.  There were the Tangerine, Sun and
> Peach Bowls and maybe a couple of others along with the Orange, Sugar,
> Cotton and Granddaddy Rose.  Generally, schools with good football teams
> from cold places were rewarded with a warm winter trip.
>
> The Rose, of course, was special because of the tradition the Rose, Big 10
> and the Pac-12 (previously, Big Five, Big Six, Pacific-8, Pacific-10) built
> together for over half a century.  Even outside Big 10 and Pac-12 country,
> people had Rose Bowl parties to watch the game.
>
> Then came along ESPN.  They have tried to homogenize and nationalize
> college
> football to suit their own programming needs - everyone watch the games on
> their network; everyone watch their national news programming - no need to
> regionally breakdown the news, just key in on the biggest stories
> nationally.  It made sense for ESPN - a national market with lower
> programming cost.  As a result, many - particularly younger people - have
> bought into the mantra that there should be a playoff system.
>
> Along came Fox, its regional sports channels, eventually the Big Ten
> Network, and now the Pac-12 Networks.  Fox may never get as big as ESPN,
> but
> it has and is eroding ESPN's market.  Namely, Fox has segmented the markets
> to let people focus on the markets (conferences) they are most interested
> in.  Unlike pro baseball, basketball and football, Fox recognizes that
> there
> are far too many college football programs for people to be able to have a
> constant global interest in all of them.
>
> The "partnership" announced a couple of weeks ago by The Big Ten and Pac-12
> has likely been facilitated by Fox and maximizing of revenue that will
> occur
> for Fox and the conferences as a result.  As I said last month, I think
> this
> "partnership" signals that the demise of the BCS is coming.  The Big Ten
> and
> Pac-12 wouldn't be doing this if they had a big concern about qualifying
> one
> or more of their respective schools for BCS games with cupcake games.  The
> Rose Bowl will likely (hopefully) contract with The Big Ten and Pac-12 to
> lock in the champions for that bowl.  (If a champion is called-off to some
> sort of national championship game, the runner-up (loser of championship
> game or by formula) can go to the Rose Bowl instead.)
>
> Nothing would please me more than to see Fox eventually start showing The
> Big Ten and Pac-12 conference games on its local affiliates in addition to
> its sports networks and to have Fox steal away The Rose Bowl (with a Big
> Ten
> and Pac-12 lock) from ESPN.
>
> In short, screw ESPN and all the others (particularly ND) that want to
> nationalize college football and have a playoff at the expense of the Rose
> with its Big Ten and Pac-12 tie-in.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 12:32 PM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
>
> Iowa State.
>
> To me that ends the discussion. Alabama's loss was to LSU, OSU's to the
> Cyclones. End of discussion.
>
> I could live with a conference-winner only rule but for those who hold the
> NCAA hoops tourney sacred, there have been plenty of times it was won by a
> non-conference champ. Why is that wonderful in hoops but so awful in
> football?
>
> I dislike the BCS myself but I want a return to the pre-BCS system of the
> 1980's.
>
> I would note though that this year's BCS games were on the whole
> entertaining and well worth watching. But SJT tells me it sucks so I guess
> I
> didn't enjoy the Rose, Fiesta, or Sugar Bowls and the Orange was enjoyable
> in a weird way (how bad could Clemson get?).
>
> Throw in fun games from Detroit to Dallas and beyond and I enjoyed the bowl
> season a lot.
>
> But I am told it all sucks because some people didn't see the mythical
> national championship (which I really don't care about)  they wanted to, so
> I guess I didn't enjoy myself watching CFB the last month. Oh well.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the SprintR Now Network from my BlackBerryR
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jan 10 17:12:36 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:12:36 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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Oregon State's first trip to the Rose Bowl was their first year in the 
Pac-8?  I did not know that.  The first Northwestern football game I ever 
saw was us beating them 7 - 3 in the season's first game of 1964.  If I 
recall correctly, fullback Steve Murphy scored the only touchdown.  The band 
hadn't even rehearsed yet.  It was the only home game I ever saw dressed in 
civilian clothing.  (Me, not the game.)  Michigan murdered us that year 35 - 
0 and then murdered Oregon State 34 - 7 in the Rose Bowl.  We started the 
season 2 - 0 but finished 3 - 6, one of which was our obligatory loss to 
Miami of Ohio (28 - 27).  Ya remember nine game seasons?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter C. Warner" <pcw at warnerpatents.com>
To: "'Mike Nolan'" <nolan at tssi.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters


> After a pay-for-play scandal in the 1950s, the Pacific Coast Conference 
> was
> disbanded and, In 1959, the Big Five was formed (Cal, Stanford, UCLA, USC,
> and Washington).  In 1962, Washington State was added to make it the Big
> Six.   Oregon & Oregon State were added in 1964 and it was renamed the
> Pac-8.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Nolan [mailto:nolan at tssi.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:55 PM
> To: Peter C. Warner
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
>
>> The Rose, of course, was special because of the tradition the Rose,
>> Big 10 and the Pac-12 (previously, Big Five, Big Six, Pacific-8,
>> Pacific-10) built together for over half a century.  Even outside Big
>> 10 and Pac-12 country, people had Rose Bowl parties to watch the game.
>
> Wasn't the Big Six a midwest conference?
>
> It was previously the Missouri Valley Conference, a name subsequently used
> by another conference (with several teams that were part of the the old
> MVCC).  It later became the Big Seven, then the Big Eight, then the Big
> T(exas)welve.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 


From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Tue Jan 10 18:52:48 2012
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:52:48 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
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Before you blame Delaney too much, remember that the last time the plus one was brought up only the SEC and ACC were in favor.  Granted there are new commissioners everywhere but the Big Ten, but the last time the Big Ten presidents addressed the issue, they were unanimously opposed.  The PAC-10 (at the time) presidents were also opposed. I don't have any reason to believe that opinions among the presidents, except perhaps Gordon Gee, who should go back to a SEC school where he belongs, have changed.

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Jan 10, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:

> The Ivy League is already a part of the Football Championship Subdivision
> (e.g. I-AA) and is, according to the NCAA, eligible for those playoffs but
> as you noted has its own ECrule that they do not participate in those
> playoffs (instead sticking to a strict 10 game schedule).  Also, they do
> not offer athletic scholarships of any kind (similar to Patriot League
> teams who do not allow football scholarships but recently have allowed
> scholarships in other sports).  Also, the SWAC teams typically do not
> participate in the FCS playoffs as their conference schedule conflicts with
> the playoff games.
> 
> Although the AP has allowed FCS teams to be eligible for their Top 25 poll,
> I don't believe the Coaches Poll allows one to vote for FCS teams (since
> that subdivision has their own coaches poll); also, I don't think the
> Harris Poll allows one to vote for FCS teams and I'm not sure if all of the
> computers rank all Div I teams (I know at least some, like Sagarin, do).
> Therefore, I don't think it's possible for an FCS team to have a BCS
> ranking and therefore would not be eligible for any kind of playoff
> (assuming they use something like the current rankings).
> 
> The plus-one model COULD be viable if there are lots of provisions to
> protect the Rose Bowl's Big Ten/Pac-12 matchup (like it can never host a
> semifinal and it can only lose an affiliated conference champ if they are
> in the top 4) and Delany finally succumbs to the tide of current opinion.
> We'll find out over the next couple of months, I suppose.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> --
> Jonathan Hodges
> Contributor, HailToPurple
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> Twitter: @hailtopurple
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:34 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> While some of you may call me crazy for asking, but to those out there
>> advocating a football playoff what would suggest if an Ivy League school
>> was rated in the top 4 (or 8) at the end of the season since I believe they
>> self are self banned from playing in the post season ?
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hakirsch at aol.com
>> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:21:09
>> To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
>> Reply-To: hakirsch at aol.com
>> Cc: SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)<sjtruog at yahoo.com>; Michael Vance<
>> michael.vance at att.net>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<
>> nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
>> 
>> I have always enjoyed these discussions on who is # 1 which occur without
>> a playoff system. Not that the NCAA tournament guarantees us the best with
>> its system, but it does generate the best team under the given rules (ie
>> who prepares their squad the best for an end of the season 3 week run). The
>> only difference in football is there are few rules to go by. Only that the
>> regular season counts a lot, with later being generally more valued than
>> earlier and that the BCS championship game winner will be declared #1 by at
>> least one poll.
>> 
>> Thus the lack of a playoff system not only keeps the chat boards probably
>> busier than with one, but can result in more than one team legitimately
>> claiming a first spot (although in my mind--not this year).  My only
>> disappointment this year (besides NU's bowl loss!) is that we didn't have 3
>> undefeated teams going into the bowls again and arguing about who got robbed
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> 
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Mike Nolan
>> To: Harry
>> Cc: SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)
>> Cc: Michael Vance
>> Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tide rolls, yawn!
>> Sent: Jan 10, 2012 8:05 AM
>> 
>>> SJT is more knowledgeable and certainly much more passionate about
>> college =
>>> football than I will ever be .  But anyone waking up this morning and
>> think=
>>> ing that the BCS system is flawed based on the evidence of the 2011
>> season =
>>> will never be happy with the outcome.  Does anyone not think that the
>> S.E.C=
>>> . was not the best conference ?  Does anyone not believe that based on
>> the =
>>> regular and post season (Bowls plus Championship game)  that the 2 top
>> team=
>>> s weren't Bama and LSU ,whichever order you desire ?   =
>> 
>> All we really know is that in 8 quarters plus overtime, LSU was able to
>> put up only 3 field goals against Alabama.  How another top 10 team
>> like Okie State, Stanford, Oregon or even bowl-flop Wisconsin would
>> have done is an unanswered question.  How high powered offenses like
>> Boise State and West Virginia would have done is also an unanswered
>> question.  West Virgina scored almost as many points against LSU as
>> 'Bama did, in half the time.
>> 
>> Yeah, they're probably the two best defenses in the country
>> (ie, the best that money can buy), I'm not nearly as convinced
>> they were (or are) the best two overall teams.
>> 
>> Those thrilling games by 'Bama against Kent State, North Texas,
>> Georgia Southern (that's not a proper name for a school, that's
>> a railroad!) should earn a derisive comment from Gordon Gee, but
>> I guess he's off getting another tattoo.
>> 
>> Do I think a playoff is a better answer?  Not really, but I think
>> we'll get one within the next 6-8 years, and it won't quell
>> the complaints, just change who's complaining and what about.
>> --
>> Mike Nolan
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 10 20:37:47 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:37:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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I don't have a fetish about having a clear-cut champion -- I have a fetish for college football itself and hate seeing it end in such an awful way every year. I would be fine with the old bowl system, I would be fine with a playoff and I would be fine with the Big Ten and Pac 12 just telling the B(C)S to go fish and take their rigged-to-the-SEC system and Big XII Computers with them and play a series of bowl games every year.

What I am not OK with is the B(C)S - the worst of all worlds. It is a system that truly sucks in every way. It has drained attendance, ratings, tradition, excitement, meaning and life itself from college football. And it has given us fewer undisputed champions than the old system. What I am not OK with is having a "champion" shoved down our throat by a bogus system and ESPN hype who didn't even win their conference -- while other conference champions with better records and resumes were not even given a chance.

You can't duck playing good teams -- as most big-time programs do (LSU excepted this year) -- and then tout a second place team as worthy of a shot over a league champion if the regular season truly counts. And then you can't dismiss the legitimate claim that team has for a shared title (the team you never gave a chance to) by saying they never played anyone.

It's just an awful system that needs to end -- and this awful "title" game brings that closer to reality.
So I'm loving the suckage of the B(C)S this year!
- Stephen

PS - I realize the ratings slid last year because of the move to cable, but this year you have an apples-to-apples comparison of cable games for the big bowls -- and you still have a big drop. Even though the games were (at least the first three) much better. That tells me that the B(C)S is driving away fans with their bogus pairings, pomposity and eternal week of welfare bowls that lead up to a depleted "bowl day" and kills the enthusiasm.
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Arthur Miller <artmiller1 at gmail.com>
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
 
Brad nailed it.

Some people need to drop their fetish about having a clear-cut national
champion in D-I college football.? There are too many teams, playing
schedules of widely varying difficulty, and the gap in resources between
the top and bottom programs is too great to make it feasible.

The BCS seems to me a reasonable compromise, but if the chattering class
can't accept it then we should drop it completely and go back to the
pre-BCS days.

Art Miller


On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM, <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Iowa State.
>
> To me that ends the discussion. Alabama's loss was to LSU, OSU's to the
> Cyclones. End of discussion.
>
> I could live with a conference-winner only rule but for those who hold the
> NCAA hoops tourney sacred, there have been plenty of times it was won by a
> non-conference champ. Why is that wonderful in hoops but so awful in
> football?
>
> I dislike the BCS myself but I want a return to the pre-BCS system of the
> 1980's.
>
> I would note though that this year's BCS games were on the whole
> entertaining and well worth watching. But SJT tells me it sucks so I guess
> I didn't enjoy the Rose, Fiesta, or Sugar Bowls and the Orange was
> enjoyable in a weird way (how bad could Clemson get?).
>
> Throw in fun games from Detroit to Dallas and beyond and I enjoyed the
> bowl season a lot.
>
> But I am told it all sucks because some people didn't see the mythical
> national championship (which I really don't care about)? they wanted to, so
> I guess I didn't enjoy myself watching CFB the last month. Oh well.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jan 10 20:41:06 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 21:41:06 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Is There A 5-Star in NU's Future?
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The updated story in this evenings Trib didn't have much new to say about Prater, other than that he is also considering Illinois.
 
It did say that NU's currently recruiting class is ranked third in the BT - tied with Wisky, PSU, and MSU.  Have we EVER had a class ranked that high?
 
Jeff

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Subject: [NU Sports] Is There A 5-Star in NU's Future?



Former 5-star recruit, Receiver Kyle Prater (a Proviso West HS grad), who has already tweeted that he is transferring from U$C, is now contemplating "coming home" to either Wisky or NU:? http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-praters-plan-northwestern-or-wisconsin-20120110,0,4833453.story
?
He can't transfer until 2013, but if he's healthy, we would have one helluva set of wideouts for Kain and Trevor to throw to.
?
Paul Levinson

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 10 21:01:10 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:01:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Is There A 5-Star in NU's Future?
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It would be awesome to see him and Jones lining up on opposite ends for the Cats in a couple years. Fingers crossed.

Let's keep sending him video tape of how much Wisconsin runs the ball. And runs. And runs. And runs. And runs. :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



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To: neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Cc: ssacks71 at optonline.net 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Is There A 5-Star in NU's Future?
 
The updated story in this evenings Trib didn't have much new to say about Prater, other than that he is also considering Illinois.

It did say that NU's currently recruiting class is ranked third in the BT - tied with Wisky, PSU, and MSU.? Have we EVER had a class ranked that high?

Jeff

________________________________

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Sent: Tue 1/10/2012 2:48 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Cc: ssacks71 at optonline.net
Subject: [NU Sports] Is There A 5-Star in NU's Future?



Former 5-star recruit, Receiver Kyle Prater (a Proviso West HS grad), who has already tweeted that he is transferring from U$C, is now contemplating "coming home" to either Wisky or NU:? http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-praters-plan-northwestern-or-wisconsin-20120110,0,4833453.story
?
He can't transfer until 2013, but if he's healthy, we would have one helluva set of wideouts for Kain and Trevor to throw to.
?
Paul Levinson

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 10 21:25:30 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 03:25:30 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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Of course back in the olden days (pre 1995 ?) there was no formal post season process for #1 just a vote by 2 polls. Sometimes by luck, the #1 and #2 teams would play each other in a bowl, but it was rare.   Many years there were major controversies about who deserved #1. Sometimes  the polls split but it was essentially up to the voters. The most famous one of course was when only one vote seemed to matter;when President Nixon anointed undefeated Texas #1 over undefeated Penn State (I think a 3rd team was also undefeated that year) And of course a BT team couldn't go to 2 Rose Bowls in a row prior to 1973 and couldn't go to any other bowl as well thus potentially ending their season without a bowl game 

  So SJT could have really screamed about not being able to win it on the field.  At least today there is an on the field  process even with its flaws

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:37:47 
To: Arthur Miller<artmiller1 at gmail.com>; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters

I don't have a fetish about having a clear-cut champion -- I have a fetish for college football itself and hate seeing it end in such an awful way every year. I would be fine with the old bowl system, I would be fine with a playoff and I would be fine with the Big Ten and Pac 12 just telling the B(C)S to go fish and take their rigged-to-the-SEC system and Big XII Computers with them and play a series of bowl games every year.

What I am not OK with is the B(C)S - the worst of all worlds. It is a system that truly sucks in every way. It has drained attendance, ratings, tradition, excitement, meaning and life itself from college football. And it has given us fewer undisputed champions than the old system. What I am not OK with is having a "champion" shoved down our throat by a bogus system and ESPN hype who didn't even win their conference -- while other conference champions with better records and resumes were not even given a chance.

You can't duck playing good teams -- as most big-time programs do (LSU excepted this year) -- and then tout a second place team as worthy of a shot over a league champion if the regular season truly counts. And then you can't dismiss the legitimate claim that team has for a shared title (the team you never gave a chance to) by saying they never played anyone.

It's just an awful system that needs to end -- and this awful "title" game brings that closer to reality.
So I'm loving the suckage of the B(C)S this year!
- Stephen

PS - I realize the ratings slid last year because of the move to cable, but this year you have an apples-to-apples comparison of cable games for the big bowls -- and you still have a big drop. Even though the games were (at least the first three) much better. That tells me that the B(C)S is driving away fans with their bogus pairings, pomposity and eternal week of welfare bowls that lead up to a depleted "bowl day" and kills the enthusiasm.
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Arthur Miller <artmiller1 at gmail.com>
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
 
Brad nailed it.

Some people need to drop their fetish about having a clear-cut national
champion in D-I college football.? There are too many teams, playing
schedules of widely varying difficulty, and the gap in resources between
the top and bottom programs is too great to make it feasible.

The BCS seems to me a reasonable compromise, but if the chattering class
can't accept it then we should drop it completely and go back to the
pre-BCS days.

Art Miller


On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM, <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Iowa State.
>
> To me that ends the discussion. Alabama's loss was to LSU, OSU's to the
> Cyclones. End of discussion.
>
> I could live with a conference-winner only rule but for those who hold the
> NCAA hoops tourney sacred, there have been plenty of times it was won by a
> non-conference champ. Why is that wonderful in hoops but so awful in
> football?
>
> I dislike the BCS myself but I want a return to the pre-BCS system of the
> 1980's.
>
> I would note though that this year's BCS games were on the whole
> entertaining and well worth watching. But SJT tells me it sucks so I guess
> I didn't enjoy the Rose, Fiesta, or Sugar Bowls and the Orange was
> enjoyable in a weird way (how bad could Clemson get?).
>
> Throw in fun games from Detroit to Dallas and beyond and I enjoyed the
> bowl season a lot.
>
> But I am told it all sucks because some people didn't see the mythical
> national championship (which I really don't care about)? they wanted to, so
> I guess I didn't enjoy myself watching CFB the last month. Oh well.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 10 21:29:47 2012
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Marilyn Bendat)
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:29:47 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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No, Oregon State went to the Rose Bowl in 1942 (when it was actually moved to Durham, NC because it was considered to be too soon after Pearl Harbor to have large crowds gather on the west coast) and then again in 1957 - both times as champion of what was then called the Pacific Coast Conference. - Jim

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
>Sent: Jan 10, 2012 3:12 PM
>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
>
>Oregon State's first trip to the Rose Bowl was their first year in the 
>Pac-8?  I did not know that. 


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Jan 11 07:58:41 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:58:41 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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I share Harry's sentiments: I think many (SjT in particular, though)
unfairly glorify the pre-BCS bowl situation.  I think if that situation
existed again with today's national/instantaneous media people would be far
more upset than they are now (since there would be times when #1 & #2 would
have no chance of meeting).  Yes, the shift to national coverage has
changed our perception of the game and just switching back to the old bowl
situation won't change that.  To some extent, I think this is what we would
see if the BCS just fields a No 1 vs No 2 game and allows the other "BCS
bowls" to go back to conference affiliations - there will be no more "BCS
busters" and we'll see more of the "less lucrative" matchups because the
top tier bowls will be locked into specific conference affiliations.

Also, I think going to a bowl, even some upper tier bowls, means less than
it used to due to the proliferation of bowl games.  Not that I'm against
them (I try to watch as many as I can), but this means fans get less
excited about a game and sometimes just aren't able to go to a bowl game
each and every year (as others have noted it is rather difficult to make
and afford travel arrangements to popular tourist destinations during that
time of year in particular).

In any case, it's all driven by money, and the fact is that the bowl games
are still profitable for the organizations that put them on and for the
teams; though many teams may "lose" money due to ticket purchase
requirements, conference revenue sharing equals everything out and means
everyone gets to take home some cash.  Attendance is down and ratings
aren't off the charts, but there are enough people showing up to be
respectable and the key thing is that ESPN gets enough viewers to justify
its subscriber fees and fork over cash to the bowls to keep them going.
And that's because people like us enjoy flipping on the TV and watching
whatever bowl is on, even if we turn around and rail against the system a
few minutes later.

Jonathan

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Twitter: @hailtopurple
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On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:25 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> Of course back in the olden days (pre 1995 ?) there was no formal post
> season process for #1 just a vote by 2 polls. Sometimes by luck, the #1 and
> #2 teams would play each other in a bowl, but it was rare.   Many years
> there were major controversies about who deserved #1. Sometimes  the polls
> split but it was essentially up to the voters. The most famous one of
> course was when only one vote seemed to matter;when President Nixon
> anointed undefeated Texas #1 over undefeated Penn State (I think a 3rd team
> was also undefeated that year) And of course a BT team couldn't go to 2
> Rose Bowls in a row prior to 1973 and couldn't go to any other bowl as well
> thus potentially ending their season without a bowl game
>
>  So SJT could have really screamed about not being able to win it on the
> field.  At least today there is an on the field  process even with its flaws
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:37:47
> To: Arthur Miller<artmiller1 at gmail.com>; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<
> bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
>
> I don't have a fetish about having a clear-cut champion -- I have a fetish
> for college football itself and hate seeing it end in such an awful way
> every year. I would be fine with the old bowl system, I would be fine with
> a playoff and I would be fine with the Big Ten and Pac 12 just telling the
> B(C)S to go fish and take their rigged-to-the-SEC system and Big XII
> Computers with them and play a series of bowl games every year.
>
> What I am not OK with is the B(C)S - the worst of all worlds. It is a
> system that truly sucks in every way. It has drained attendance, ratings,
> tradition, excitement, meaning and life itself from college football. And
> it has given us fewer undisputed champions than the old system. What I am
> not OK with is having a "champion" shoved down our throat by a bogus system
> and ESPN hype who didn't even win their conference -- while other
> conference champions with better records and resumes were not even given a
> chance.
>
> You can't duck playing good teams -- as most big-time programs do (LSU
> excepted this year) -- and then tout a second place team as worthy of a
> shot over a league champion if the regular season truly counts. And then
> you can't dismiss the legitimate claim that team has for a shared title
> (the team you never gave a chance to) by saying they never played anyone.
>
> It's just an awful system that needs to end -- and this awful "title" game
> brings that closer to reality.
> So I'm loving the suckage of the B(C)S this year!
> - Stephen
>
> PS - I realize the ratings slid last year because of the move to cable,
> but this year you have an apples-to-apples comparison of cable games for
> the big bowls -- and you still have a big drop. Even though the games were
> (at least the first three) much better. That tells me that the B(C)S is
> driving away fans with their bogus pairings, pomposity and eternal week of
> welfare bowls that lead up to a depleted "bowl day" and kills the
> enthusiasm.
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Arthur Miller <artmiller1 at gmail.com>
> To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
>
> Brad nailed it.
>
> Some people need to drop their fetish about having a clear-cut national
> champion in D-I college football.  There are too many teams, playing
> schedules of widely varying difficulty, and the gap in resources between
> the top and bottom programs is too great to make it feasible.
>
> The BCS seems to me a reasonable compromise, but if the chattering class
> can't accept it then we should drop it completely and go back to the
> pre-BCS days.
>
> Art Miller
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM, <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Iowa State.
> >
> > To me that ends the discussion. Alabama's loss was to LSU, OSU's to the
> > Cyclones. End of discussion.
> >
> > I could live with a conference-winner only rule but for those who hold
> the
> > NCAA hoops tourney sacred, there have been plenty of times it was won by
> a
> > non-conference champ. Why is that wonderful in hoops but so awful in
> > football?
> >
> > I dislike the BCS myself but I want a return to the pre-BCS system of the
> > 1980's.
> >
> > I would note though that this year's BCS games were on the whole
> > entertaining and well worth watching. But SJT tells me it sucks so I
> guess
> > I didn't enjoy the Rose, Fiesta, or Sugar Bowls and the Orange was
> > enjoyable in a weird way (how bad could Clemson get?).
> >
> > Throw in fun games from Detroit to Dallas and beyond and I enjoyed the
> > bowl season a lot.
> >
> > But I am told it all sucks because some people didn't see the mythical
> > national championship (which I really don't care about)  they wanted to,
> so
> > I guess I didn't enjoy myself watching CFB the last month. Oh well.
> >
> > Brad Wilson
> > Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jan 11 10:27:00 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:27:00 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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One other small point that I didn't mention was that prior to the early or mid 70's one of the polls either was final at the end of the regular season or was not supposed to include bowl games. This of course resulted in split champions on at least a few occasions.  The 1970 year had both Texas and Ohio State losing their bowl games going in as #1 and #2. I think Nebraska and Texas split that year.  (ND who beat Texas in the Cotton Bowl had lost to SC and had barely beaten LSU (3-0)the prior 2 weeks, so did not wind up #1 in either poll in spite of intense lobbying)

Harry
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To: <hakirsch at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters

I share Harry's sentiments: I think many (SjT in particular, though)
unfairly glorify the pre-BCS bowl situation.  I think if that situation
existed again with today's national/instantaneous media people would be far
more upset than they are now (since there would be times when #1 & #2 would
have no chance of meeting).  Yes, the shift to national coverage has
changed our perception of the game and just switching back to the old bowl
situation won't change that.  To some extent, I think this is what we would
see if the BCS just fields a No 1 vs No 2 game and allows the other "BCS
bowls" to go back to conference affiliations - there will be no more "BCS
busters" and we'll see more of the "less lucrative" matchups because the
top tier bowls will be locked into specific conference affiliations.

Also, I think going to a bowl, even some upper tier bowls, means less than
it used to due to the proliferation of bowl games.  Not that I'm against
them (I try to watch as many as I can), but this means fans get less
excited about a game and sometimes just aren't able to go to a bowl game
each and every year (as others have noted it is rather difficult to make
and afford travel arrangements to popular tourist destinations during that
time of year in particular).

In any case, it's all driven by money, and the fact is that the bowl games
are still profitable for the organizations that put them on and for the
teams; though many teams may "lose" money due to ticket purchase
requirements, conference revenue sharing equals everything out and means
everyone gets to take home some cash.  Attendance is down and ratings
aren't off the charts, but there are enough people showing up to be
respectable and the key thing is that ESPN gets enough viewers to justify
its subscriber fees and fork over cash to the bowls to keep them going.
And that's because people like us enjoy flipping on the TV and watching
whatever bowl is on, even if we turn around and rail against the system a
few minutes later.

Jonathan

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On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:25 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> Of course back in the olden days (pre 1995 ?) there was no formal post
> season process for #1 just a vote by 2 polls. Sometimes by luck, the #1 and
> #2 teams would play each other in a bowl, but it was rare.   Many years
> there were major controversies about who deserved #1. Sometimes  the polls
> split but it was essentially up to the voters. The most famous one of
> course was when only one vote seemed to matter;when President Nixon
> anointed undefeated Texas #1 over undefeated Penn State (I think a 3rd team
> was also undefeated that year) And of course a BT team couldn't go to 2
> Rose Bowls in a row prior to 1973 and couldn't go to any other bowl as well
> thus potentially ending their season without a bowl game
>
>  So SJT could have really screamed about not being able to win it on the
> field.  At least today there is an on the field  process even with its flaws
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:37:47
> To: Arthur Miller<artmiller1 at gmail.com>; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<
> bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
>
> I don't have a fetish about having a clear-cut champion -- I have a fetish
> for college football itself and hate seeing it end in such an awful way
> every year. I would be fine with the old bowl system, I would be fine with
> a playoff and I would be fine with the Big Ten and Pac 12 just telling the
> B(C)S to go fish and take their rigged-to-the-SEC system and Big XII
> Computers with them and play a series of bowl games every year.
>
> What I am not OK with is the B(C)S - the worst of all worlds. It is a
> system that truly sucks in every way. It has drained attendance, ratings,
> tradition, excitement, meaning and life itself from college football. And
> it has given us fewer undisputed champions than the old system. What I am
> not OK with is having a "champion" shoved down our throat by a bogus system
> and ESPN hype who didn't even win their conference -- while other
> conference champions with better records and resumes were not even given a
> chance.
>
> You can't duck playing good teams -- as most big-time programs do (LSU
> excepted this year) -- and then tout a second place team as worthy of a
> shot over a league champion if the regular season truly counts. And then
> you can't dismiss the legitimate claim that team has for a shared title
> (the team you never gave a chance to) by saying they never played anyone.
>
> It's just an awful system that needs to end -- and this awful "title" game
> brings that closer to reality.
> So I'm loving the suckage of the B(C)S this year!
> - Stephen
>
> PS - I realize the ratings slid last year because of the move to cable,
> but this year you have an apples-to-apples comparison of cable games for
> the big bowls -- and you still have a big drop. Even though the games were
> (at least the first three) much better. That tells me that the B(C)S is
> driving away fans with their bogus pairings, pomposity and eternal week of
> welfare bowls that lead up to a depleted "bowl day" and kills the
> enthusiasm.
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Arthur Miller <artmiller1 at gmail.com>
> To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
>
> Brad nailed it.
>
> Some people need to drop their fetish about having a clear-cut national
> champion in D-I college football.  There are too many teams, playing
> schedules of widely varying difficulty, and the gap in resources between
> the top and bottom programs is too great to make it feasible.
>
> The BCS seems to me a reasonable compromise, but if the chattering class
> can't accept it then we should drop it completely and go back to the
> pre-BCS days.
>
> Art Miller
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:32 PM, <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Iowa State.
> >
> > To me that ends the discussion. Alabama's loss was to LSU, OSU's to the
> > Cyclones. End of discussion.
> >
> > I could live with a conference-winner only rule but for those who hold
> the
> > NCAA hoops tourney sacred, there have been plenty of times it was won by
> a
> > non-conference champ. Why is that wonderful in hoops but so awful in
> > football?
> >
> > I dislike the BCS myself but I want a return to the pre-BCS system of the
> > 1980's.
> >
> > I would note though that this year's BCS games were on the whole
> > entertaining and well worth watching. But SJT tells me it sucks so I
> guess
> > I didn't enjoy the Rose, Fiesta, or Sugar Bowls and the Orange was
> > enjoyable in a weird way (how bad could Clemson get?).
> >
> > Throw in fun games from Detroit to Dallas and beyond and I enjoyed the
> > bowl season a lot.
> >
> > But I am told it all sucks because some people didn't see the mythical
> > national championship (which I really don't care about)  they wanted to,
> so
> > I guess I didn't enjoy myself watching CFB the last month. Oh well.
> >
> > Brad Wilson
> > Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Jan 11 14:02:50 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:02:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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> And that's because people like us enjoy flipping on the TV and watching
> whatever bowl is on, even if we turn around and rail against the system a
> few minutes later.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going through 'college football 
withdrawal' here.  Watching NFL games is like eating a McDonalds cheeseburger 
when you are hungry for a T-bone steak, it fills you up but doesn't really satisfy
the need.

Most of the time I'd rather watch a college game between Nowhere State
and Eastern Somewhere than an NFL game, ANY NFL game!
--
Mike Nolan


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Jan 11 14:11:12 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:11:12 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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Don't fret, at least the "senior bowls" to showcase players for the NFL are
left; the East-West Shrine Game will be on Saturday 1/21 at 4PM ET on NFL
Network and will include Al Netter & Dan Persa on the roster.  At least
it's something, otherwise you'll have to resort to firing up replays of
games online or when they're on BTN.

(I watch a fair bit of NFL, but my favorite is using the RedZone channel on
Sundays during the regular season; although ESPN has a "Goal Line" channel
analog for college football, they only show ESPN-network games while RZ
shows all NFL games, and having such a channel would be awesome although it
is admittedly a pipe dream due to the scattered TV rights).

Jonathan

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Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > And that's because people like us enjoy flipping on the TV and watching
> > whatever bowl is on, even if we turn around and rail against the system a
> > few minutes later.
>
> I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going through 'college football
> withdrawal' here.  Watching NFL games is like eating a McDonalds
> cheeseburger
> when you are hungry for a T-bone steak, it fills you up but doesn't really
> satisfy
> the need.
>
> Most of the time I'd rather watch a college game between Nowhere State
> and Eastern Somewhere than an NFL game, ANY NFL game!
> --
> Mike Nolan
>

From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Jan 11 14:20:11 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 14:20:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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Message-ID: <20120111202011.C8EC8654F8@romaine.tssi.com>

> Don't fret, at least the "senior bowls" to showcase players for the NFL are
> left; the East-West Shrine Game will be on Saturday 1/21 at 4PM ET on NFL
> Network and will include Al Netter & Dan Persa on the roster.  At least
> it's something, otherwise you'll have to resort to firing up replays of
> games online or when they're on BTN.

If watching NFL games is like eating McDonalds cheeseburgers compared
to college football games being a steak, then watching senior bowl games is like 
eating rice cakes.  
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Jan 11 18:10:22 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:10:22 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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Bummer--would love to watch Persa/Netter, but no NFL Network.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:11:12 
To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
Cc: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters

Don't fret, at least the "senior bowls" to showcase players for the NFL are
left; the East-West Shrine Game will be on Saturday 1/21 at 4PM ET on NFL
Network and will include Al Netter & Dan Persa on the roster.  At least
it's something, otherwise you'll have to resort to firing up replays of
games online or when they're on BTN.

(I watch a fair bit of NFL, but my favorite is using the RedZone channel on
Sundays during the regular season; although ESPN has a "Goal Line" channel
analog for college football, they only show ESPN-network games while RZ
shows all NFL games, and having such a channel would be awesome although it
is admittedly a pipe dream due to the scattered TV rights).

Jonathan

--
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Contributor, HailToPurple
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Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > And that's because people like us enjoy flipping on the TV and watching
> > whatever bowl is on, even if we turn around and rail against the system a
> > few minutes later.
>
> I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going through 'college football
> withdrawal' here.  Watching NFL games is like eating a McDonalds
> cheeseburger
> when you are hungry for a T-bone steak, it fills you up but doesn't really
> satisfy
> the need.
>
> Most of the time I'd rather watch a college game between Nowhere State
> and Eastern Somewhere than an NFL game, ANY NFL game!
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Jan 11 18:21:23 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:21:23 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Nice first half for Cats
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22EC3@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Carmody changed things up - no center to start and no center for a long time.  Curletti came off the bench and gave a spark, even a pretty reverse!  Then Mirkovic came in for a bit and acquitted himself pretty well.  Shurna and Crawford are ON.  And Hearn hit a couple of nice long Js.  Cats' poor FT-shooting is exasperating.  Michigan missed a lot of gimmes.  But Cats settled into good defense and also passed the ball patiently and well.  34-27 NU.  Need a good second half, unlike that heartbreaker at home against Illinois.  This is a biggie.  Wonder why Cobb hasn't played - hope he's not hurt...would be a nice "secret weapon" for the 2d half.

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Jan 11 19:23:22 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:23:22 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] On to OT
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22ECE@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

About the best things I can say for the Cats down the stretch is that they hit their foul shots and played tough D.  But the inability on offense and on the defensive boards was painful.

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Jan 11 19:50:32 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 20:50:32 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Brutal
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22ED8@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

OT loss of the most painful variety.  Another blown double-digit lead.  Another meltdown on offense and tragi-comic defensive rebounding. 

Michigan nailed its FTs and tried to give NU a chance with a 3-shot foul at the end (but Marcotullio couldn't come through) and an earlier flagrant foul (Crawford could only make one of two and NU didn't take advantage of the possession).

Crushing road and home losses, both of which were very winnable games.  Ugly and disappointing.

From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Jan 11 20:14:26 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 02:14:26 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Brutal
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There are no words.....
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OT loss of the most painful variety.  Another blown double-digit lead.  Another meltdown on offense and tragi-comic defensive rebounding. 

Michigan nailed its FTs and tried to give NU a chance with a 3-shot foul at the end (but Marcotullio couldn't come through) and an earlier flagrant foul (Crawford could only make one of two and NU didn't take advantage of the possession).

Crushing road and home losses, both of which were very winnable games.  Ugly and disappointing.
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From pskinas at aol.com  Wed Jan 11 18:18:59 2012
From: pskinas at aol.com (pskinas)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:18:59 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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You can listen to the radio/internet/smartphone broadcast of the East West Shrine Game on shrinegame.com or on the Shrine Game dedicated channel on Tunein Radio (free downloadable smartphone app).  I'll be calling the PxP of the game (Brian Jordan, color; Rick Berkey, sideline).  We're working on radio affiliates in the Chicago area.... we'll see what we can do.  Pre-game 3:15 PM ET, kickoff @ 4.

Looking forward to talking to Al and Danny... enjoy the broadcast if you listen...

Go Cats!  

Patrick Kinas

PS - We should be up by 12 at Michigan at the half... D is doing a great job against Hardaway after his burst early in the game, and rebounding just well enough so far.  We'll see if the Cats can make some shots in the 2nd half.



In a message dated 01/11/12 19:12:34 Eastern Standard Time, neonrye writes:
Bummer--would love to watch Persa/Netter, but no NFL Network. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry 

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> 
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com 
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 15:11:12 
To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com> 
Cc: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters 

Don't fret, at least the "senior bowls" to showcase players for the NFL are 
left; the East-West Shrine Game will be on Saturday 1/21 at 4PM ET on NFL 
Network and will include Al Netter & Dan Persa on the roster.  At least 
it's something, otherwise you'll have to resort to firing up replays of 
games online or when they're on BTN. 

(I watch a fair bit of NFL, but my favorite is using the RedZone channel on 
Sundays during the regular season; although ESPN has a "Goal Line" channel 
analog for college football, they only show ESPN-network games while RZ 
shows all NFL games, and having such a channel would be awesome although it 
is admittedly a pipe dream due to the scattered TV rights). 

Jonathan 

-- 
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Contributor, HailToPurple 
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/ 
Twitter: @hailtopurple 
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu 



On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote: 

> > And that's because people like us enjoy flipping on the TV and watching 
> > whatever bowl is on, even if we turn around and rail against the system a 
> > few minutes later. 
> 
> I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going through 'college football 
> withdrawal' here.  Watching NFL games is like eating a McDonalds 
> cheeseburger 
> when you are hungry for a T-bone steak, it fills you up but doesn't really 
> satisfy 
> the need. 
> 
> Most of the time I'd rather watch a college game between Nowhere State 
> and Eastern Somewhere than an NFL game, ANY NFL game! 
> -- 
> Mike Nolan 
> 
_______________________________________________ 
nwu-sports site list 
nwu-sports at tssi.com 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jan 11 20:41:45 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:41:45 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Brutal
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Message-ID: <0E8B1DBE14A64E31AD3BA839DFD07B76@dennismachine>

> There are no words.....

Yes, there are words.  We need a center.


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Jan 11 20:26:46 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:26:46 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Brutal
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Luka was helpless.
 
I don't know how many defensive rebounds he lost, but any one of them would have won the game in regulation.
 
With him on the bench in the first half, the offense was a thing of beauty.
 
With him on the floor beauty turned into the beast.
 
Jeff
 
 

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OT loss of the most painful variety.  Another blown double-digit lead.  Another meltdown on offense and tragi-comic defensive rebounding.

Michigan nailed its FTs and tried to give NU a chance with a 3-shot foul at the end (but Marcotullio couldn't come through) and an earlier flagrant foul (Crawford could only make one of two and NU didn't take advantage of the possession).

Crushing road and home losses, both of which were very winnable games.  Ugly and disappointing.
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 11 20:33:56 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:33:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Brutal
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Yeah, that one hurt. Probably more than the Illinois game. The game was literally within their grasp on multiple occasions, but they just couldn't hold on. Luka tipping a rebound away from the waiting hands of Hearn on one of the last Michigan possessions was emblematic of the whole game. Way, way too many turnovers too--those were enough to make the difference.?

Tom




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>OT loss of the most painful variety.? Another blown double-digit lead.? Another meltdown on offense and tragi-comic defensive rebounding. 
>
>Michigan nailed its FTs and tried to give NU a chance with a 3-shot foul at the end (but Marcotullio couldn't come through) and an earlier flagrant foul (Crawford could only make one of two and NU didn't take advantage of the possession).
>
>Crushing road and home losses, both of which were very winnable games.? Ugly and disappointing.
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 11 21:57:37 2012
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Marilyn Bendat)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:57:37 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] Brutal
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I don't normally get too emotional when watching our basketball team. But tonight, I found myself yelling at the tv and calling our guys "chokers." I'm not too proud of my conduct, but I've seen this movie way too many times. Missed free throws, two of our own guys knocking a key rebound out of bounds, not getting off a shot before the end of regulation. It was just so predictably lame. - Jim


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>There are no words.....
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>OT loss of the most painful variety.  Another blown double-digit lead.  Another meltdown on offense and tragi-comic defensive rebounding. 
>
>Michigan nailed its FTs and tried to give NU a chance with a 3-shot foul at the end (but Marcotullio couldn't come through) and an earlier flagrant foul (Crawford could only make one of two and NU didn't take advantage of the possession).
>
>Crushing road and home losses, both of which were very winnable games.  Ugly and disappointing.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan 11 22:23:20 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 23:23:20 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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You should watch the Ravens.

They wear purple uniforms, actually have a running game, and a defense.

rsl

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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:03 PM
To: Jonathan Hodges
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters

> And that's because people like us enjoy flipping on the TV and 
> watching whatever bowl is on, even if we turn around and rail against 
> the system a few minutes later.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going through 'college football withdrawal'
here.  Watching NFL games is like eating a McDonalds cheeseburger when you are hungry for
a T-bone steak, it fills you up but doesn't really satisfy the need.

Most of the time I'd rather watch a college game between Nowhere State and Eastern
Somewhere than an NFL game, ANY NFL game!
--
Mike Nolan

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From michael.vance at att.net  Wed Jan 11 23:23:15 2012
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 00:23:15 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
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So what's the explanation for the ratings decline for the Rose Bowl and 
how does that bolster your case for a return to the "good old days?" You 
had the true champs from the Big Ten and Pac-12. It was a compelling 
speed vs. power matchup. Their rankings were comparable. How does that 
fit in to the SJT view of how things oughtta be?

On 1/10/2012 3:00 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
> > From the LA Times ...
> Rose Bowl (Oregon over Wisconsin 45-38): 11.8 rating.
> In 2011, the Rose Bowl between TCU and Wisconsin drew an 13.1 rating. The 2010 Rose Bowl between Ohio State and Oregon drew a 13.8.


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 11 23:42:57 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:42:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
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Explanation? The B(C)S sucks so much that it destroys all it touches -- even the Rose Bowl. Sure, it's not gone altogether - but it's a shell of its former self.

Look guys, I'm not romanticizing or waxing nostalgic of the good old days -- all I'm saying is that what's happening now sucks. Really sucks. Go forward to a playoff. Go backwards to traditional bowls. Cancel the bowl season altogether and end with the regular season. I don't care what path we take - let's just get the heck out of this B(C)S rut/hellhole we're in now. It's awful. Attendance is down. Ratings are down. Even the Cartel leaders see that this system is a disaster and are scrambling to find some fix that will allow them to keep their stubborn pride and not admit that they created the worst system possible.

I know y'all ask why I rail against the B(C)S so much every year and take such delight it its (too slow, but eventual) demise ... but I'm just amazed so many of you are satisfied with the status quo and make every excuse possible to try and defend it. You're B(C)S enablers! :) You keep making up new excuses why this or that wouldn't work ... or you chant the ESPN line about how the system worked this year ... or repeat fears on how dangerous something else would be ... but you never actually look at what's in front of you. Be honest and look at how many college bowl games you watched in the last decade. Mine has declined significantly. I'll always love college football, but the end of every season just plain sucks now. I dunno. Maybe I'm missing the joy of half empty Orange Bowls, watching the "U" take the field in Pasadena, watching a 6-6 CUSA team against a 6-6 MAC team or having a team declared the "champion" when they couldn't even win their own
 conference.

Or maybe you all just have a higher pain tolerance than me ...

But like I said, I'm loving all the cracks that are showing in the system - I don't necessarily care what happens next, just that this system ends as soon as possible.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Not understanding all the NFL hate either ... especially with the round of games coming up this weekend (well, aside from that Houston/Baltimore game) -- now that Bowl Day has been destroyed by the B(C)S, the divisional weekend in the NFL playoffs usually is the best pigskin event on the calendar -- four thrilling games leading to Championship Sunday. Can't wait!
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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 From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
 
So what's the explanation for the ratings decline for the Rose Bowl and how does that bolster your case for a return to the "good old days?" You had the true champs from the Big Ten and Pac-12. It was a compelling speed vs. power matchup. Their rankings were comparable. How does that fit in to the SJT view of how things oughtta be?

On 1/10/2012 3:00 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
> > From the LA Times ...
> Rose Bowl (Oregon over Wisconsin 45-38): 11.8 rating.
> In 2011, the Rose Bowl between TCU and Wisconsin drew an 13.1 rating. The 2010 Rose Bowl between Ohio State and Oregon drew a 13.8.

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan 12 00:28:47 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 06:28:47 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
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To me the big negative is too many bowl games. When there were about 5-6 total  bowl games on NYE and New Years day, they were exciting and tradition reigned and I could recite the story for each game. There was The Cotton with Lindsey Nelson announcing and Texas playing someone. There was the Sugar either on NYE or NYD with Alabama playing someone.  There was the Rose with BT/Pac 8 and beautiful Pasadena. The evening finished up with the Orange and a  team from Florida playing Kansas , Nebraska,or maybe PSU.  ND was somewhere wherever needed to fill a spot.  The Gator Bowl was thrown in there opposite one of the others on NYD and that was about it

  But then the liberals ruined it . They have called for dumbing  down the standards so that 70 teams now play.  It's like giving every kid who participates a medal rather than only the ones that do well.  And you thought it was the money and overpaid bowl committees 

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...

Explanation? The B(C)S sucks so much that it destroys all it touches -- even the Rose Bowl. Sure, it's not gone altogether - but it's a shell of its former self.

Look guys, I'm not romanticizing or waxing nostalgic of the good old days -- all I'm saying is that what's happening now sucks. Really sucks. Go forward to a playoff. Go backwards to traditional bowls. Cancel the bowl season altogether and end with the regular season. I don't care what path we take - let's just get the heck out of this B(C)S rut/hellhole we're in now. It's awful. Attendance is down. Ratings are down. Even the Cartel leaders see that this system is a disaster and are scrambling to find some fix that will allow them to keep their stubborn pride and not admit that they created the worst system possible.

I know y'all ask why I rail against the B(C)S so much every year and take such delight it its (too slow, but eventual) demise ... but I'm just amazed so many of you are satisfied with the status quo and make every excuse possible to try and defend it. You're B(C)S enablers! :) You keep making up new excuses why this or that wouldn't work ... or you chant the ESPN line about how the system worked this year ... or repeat fears on how dangerous something else would be ... but you never actually look at what's in front of you. Be honest and look at how many college bowl games you watched in the last decade. Mine has declined significantly. I'll always love college football, but the end of every season just plain sucks now. I dunno. Maybe I'm missing the joy of half empty Orange Bowls, watching the "U" take the field in Pasadena, watching a 6-6 CUSA team against a 6-6 MAC team or having a team declared the "champion" when they couldn't even win their own
 conference.

Or maybe you all just have a higher pain tolerance than me ...

But like I said, I'm loving all the cracks that are showing in the system - I don't necessarily care what happens next, just that this system ends as soon as possible.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Not understanding all the NFL hate either ... especially with the round of games coming up this weekend (well, aside from that Houston/Baltimore game) -- now that Bowl Day has been destroyed by the B(C)S, the divisional weekend in the NFL playoffs usually is the best pigskin event on the calendar -- four thrilling games leading to Championship Sunday. Can't wait!
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



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 From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
 
So what's the explanation for the ratings decline for the Rose Bowl and how does that bolster your case for a return to the "good old days?" You had the true champs from the Big Ten and Pac-12. It was a compelling speed vs. power matchup. Their rankings were comparable. How does that fit in to the SJT view of how things oughtta be?

On 1/10/2012 3:00 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
> > From the LA Times ...
> Rose Bowl (Oregon over Wisconsin 45-38): 11.8 rating.
> In 2011, the Rose Bowl between TCU and Wisconsin drew an 13.1 rating. The 2010 Rose Bowl between Ohio State and Oregon drew a 13.8.

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 12 06:30:03 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 07:30:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters
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One more thing on the Ravens...

This year they've lost to teams they should have beat, and beaten teams that shudda beat
them.

Kind of team you love to cheer for - like the Wildcats.

And they have Cam Cameron as their OC.

rsl

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You should watch the Ravens.

They wear purple uniforms, actually have a running game, and a defense.

rsl

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We're Doomed!"
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:03 PM
To: Jonathan Hodges
Cc: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Two words for the Oklahoma State boosters

> And that's because people like us enjoy flipping on the TV and 
> watching whatever bowl is on, even if we turn around and rail against 
> the system a few minutes later.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going through 'college football withdrawal'
here.  Watching NFL games is like eating a McDonalds cheeseburger when you are hungry for
a T-bone steak, it fills you up but doesn't really satisfy the need.

Most of the time I'd rather watch a college game between Nowhere State and Eastern
Somewhere than an NFL game, ANY NFL game!
--
Mike Nolan

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan 12 08:13:47 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:13:47 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
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While I'm sure you can find plenty of other things to blame liberals for, this particular situation was the result of the beloved hidden hand of the free market.

The "standards" for bowl qualification haven't changed significantly since the Bush II administration.  That's when, as a result of the expansion to a 12 game season (2006), a winning bowl-qualifying record for an FBS school became 6-6 as long as no more than one of those wins came against an FCS team and all FBS teams with better records already had bowl bids.  Six bowls have been added since that rule change including the BCS championship bowl.  That's roughly one a year.  That is the same rate that bowl games have been added to the schedule since 1997, so the data would suggest that the rule change was not the primary driver in adding new bowl games.  The more likely candidate was the increase in TV and sponsorship revenue available to bowl committees.

The last part of the rule requiring bowls to take all teams with better records before they can take a 6-6 team was eliminated last year after pressure from bowl committees who preferred 6-6 teams from higher profile conferences to 7-5 (or better) teams from lesser conferences.  Certainly doesn't appear to be any sentimentality in that change either.

This year we saw UCLA get granted a waiver to play in a bowl game with a 6-7 record because their seventh loss came in their conference championship game against Oregon.  Again this strikes me as a decision motivated by money and UCLA's profile.

The NCAA turned down two bids for new bowl games in 2010 because the current schedule (35) consumes almost all of the qualified teams (when you include the inevitable handful of postseason suspensions).  Those new bowls would have supported the past rate of expansion of one new bowl every year.  So it appears that perceived demand for bowl games continues to expand.  If the NCAA were motivated as you suggest, they would have added these bowls.  As it is, they appear to be holding the line at 6-6.  

Here's a decade by decade analysis if you'd like to draw any other conclusions.

1901 - Rose Bowl
1930's - Orange, Sugar, Sun, Cotton
1940's - Gator, Capital One
1950's - Liberty
1960's - Chick-fil-A
1970's - Independence, Holiday
1980's - Outback, Insight
1990's - Champs Sports, Maaco, Alamo, Little Ceasars, Famous Idaho Potato, Music City, GoDaddy
2000's - Meineke Car Care, New Orleans, Kraft, Hawaii, Belk, Armed Forces, Poinsetta, BBVA, New Mexico, Military, Beef, BCS
2010's - Pinstripe, TicketCity

Finally, just another comment on all of the fine dialog going on about the current system.

All of the other BCS stuff aside, I think that this was a very enjoyable football post season.  NU and UM were the only games where I had a dog in the hunt, but many of other games were just good football - more so than in recent memory.  The BCS game was a dud, but it usually is.  If we can use the quality of play on the field as any gauge of how the system is working, IMHO the system worked well this year.

Jeff




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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...

To me the big negative is too many bowl games. When there were about 5-6 total  bowl games on NYE and New Years day, they were exciting and tradition reigned and I could recite the story for each game. There was The Cotton with Lindsey Nelson announcing and Texas playing someone. There was the Sugar either on NYE or NYD with Alabama playing someone.  There was the Rose with BT/Pac 8 and beautiful Pasadena. The evening finished up with the Orange and a  team from Florida playing Kansas , Nebraska,or maybe PSU.  ND was somewhere wherever needed to fill a spot.  The Gator Bowl was thrown in there opposite one of the others on NYD and that was about it

  But then the liberals ruined it . They have called for dumbing  down the standards so that 70 teams now play.  It's like giving every kid who participates a medal rather than only the ones that do well.  And you thought it was the money and overpaid bowl committees 

Harry 
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Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 21:42:57 
To: Michael Vance<michael.vance at att.net>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...

Explanation? The B(C)S sucks so much that it destroys all it touches -- even the Rose Bowl. Sure, it's not gone altogether - but it's a shell of its former self.

Look guys, I'm not romanticizing or waxing nostalgic of the good old days -- all I'm saying is that what's happening now sucks. Really sucks. Go forward to a playoff. Go backwards to traditional bowls. Cancel the bowl season altogether and end with the regular season. I don't care what path we take - let's just get the heck out of this B(C)S rut/hellhole we're in now. It's awful. Attendance is down. Ratings are down. Even the Cartel leaders see that this system is a disaster and are scrambling to find some fix that will allow them to keep their stubborn pride and not admit that they created the worst system possible.

I know y'all ask why I rail against the B(C)S so much every year and take such delight it its (too slow, but eventual) demise ... but I'm just amazed so many of you are satisfied with the status quo and make every excuse possible to try and defend it. You're B(C)S enablers! :) You keep making up new excuses why this or that wouldn't work ... or you chant the ESPN line about how the system worked this year ... or repeat fears on how dangerous something else would be ... but you never actually look at what's in front of you. Be honest and look at how many college bowl games you watched in the last decade. Mine has declined significantly. I'll always love college football, but the end of every season just plain sucks now. I dunno. Maybe I'm missing the joy of half empty Orange Bowls, watching the "U" take the field in Pasadena, watching a 6-6 CUSA team against a 6-6 MAC team or having a team declared the "champion" when they couldn't even win their own
 conference.

Or maybe you all just have a higher pain tolerance than me ...

But like I said, I'm loving all the cracks that are showing in the system - I don't necessarily care what happens next, just that this system ends as soon as possible.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Not understanding all the NFL hate either ... especially with the round of games coming up this weekend (well, aside from that Houston/Baltimore game) -- now that Bowl Day has been destroyed by the B(C)S, the divisional weekend in the NFL playoffs usually is the best pigskin event on the calendar -- four thrilling games leading to Championship Sunday. Can't wait!
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



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 From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
 
So what's the explanation for the ratings decline for the Rose Bowl and how does that bolster your case for a return to the "good old days?" You had the true champs from the Big Ten and Pac-12. It was a compelling speed vs. power matchup. Their rankings were comparable. How does that fit in to the SJT view of how things oughtta be?

On 1/10/2012 3:00 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
> > From the LA Times ...
> Rose Bowl (Oregon over Wisconsin 45-38): 11.8 rating.
> In 2011, the Rose Bowl between TCU and Wisconsin drew an 13.1 rating. The 2010 Rose Bowl between Ohio State and Oregon drew a 13.8.

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 12 13:20:03 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:20:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
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You can blame "liberals" for many things, discussion of which are not in the purview of
this list, but I wouldn't blame the present Bowl Glut on "them."

I think too many cities with empty big stadiums on Jan 1st see all the money generated by
places that are not even considered "mainstream," (such as the Cotton or Orange Bowl) and
figure they can get some of that Walt Disney/ESPN money too.

If memory serves, most of the original bowls were part of midwinter festivals or trade
association fund raisers. It was only after TV and then sponsors got into the act, that
bowls began to multiply like the proverbial rabbits.

One of my distant cousins was a bank CEO in New Jersey and a grad of Rutgers. He was
always trying to get a bowl in New Jersey because it would bring money into the state in
January or December, two traditionally slow vacation times in the Garden State.

Unfortunately, all you have to say is "Money" to local politicians looking to hire a few
more cronies, and suddenly you have a "bowl commission" and a group working to add another
bowl to the ESPN lineup.

Don't blame the "liberals." Those Pols are of all political stripes.

rsl

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those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


  But then the liberals ruined it . They have called for dumbing  down the standards so
that 70 teams now play.  It's like giving every kid who participates a medal rather than
only the ones that do well.  And you thought it was the money and overpaid bowl committees





From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan 12 13:24:57 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:24:57 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
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Oh I just thought all of the problems in society were the liberals fault. Sorry just watching a lot of Fox News these days

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:20:03 
To: <hakirsch at aol.com>; 'SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)'<sjtruog at yahoo.com>; 'Michael Vance'<michael.vance at att.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...

You can blame "liberals" for many things, discussion of which are not in the purview of
this list, but I wouldn't blame the present Bowl Glut on "them."

I think too many cities with empty big stadiums on Jan 1st see all the money generated by
places that are not even considered "mainstream," (such as the Cotton or Orange Bowl) and
figure they can get some of that Walt Disney/ESPN money too.

If memory serves, most of the original bowls were part of midwinter festivals or trade
association fund raisers. It was only after TV and then sponsors got into the act, that
bowls began to multiply like the proverbial rabbits.

One of my distant cousins was a bank CEO in New Jersey and a grad of Rutgers. He was
always trying to get a bowl in New Jersey because it would bring money into the state in
January or December, two traditionally slow vacation times in the Garden State.

Unfortunately, all you have to say is "Money" to local politicians looking to hire a few
more cronies, and suddenly you have a "bowl commission" and a group working to add another
bowl to the ESPN lineup.

Don't blame the "liberals." Those Pols are of all political stripes.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


  But then the liberals ruined it . They have called for dumbing  down the standards so
that 70 teams now play.  It's like giving every kid who participates a medal rather than
only the ones that do well.  And you thought it was the money and overpaid bowl committees





From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Jan 12 13:36:07 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 13:36:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
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> All of the other BCS stuff aside, I think that this was a very enjoyable 
> football post season.  NU and UM were the only games where I had a dog in the
> hunt, but many of other games were just good football - more so than in 
> recent memory.  The BCS game was a dud, but it usually is.  If we can use the
> quality of play on the field as any gauge of how the system is working, 
> IMHO the system worked well this year.

The bowl matchups we got were a mixed bag, Penn State and Boise State
deserved better opponents, Northwestern deserved a lesser one.
(But I think 4 bowl games in a row, even if we lost all 4, is having 
a positive impact on recruiting.)  

There were fewer blowouts than I was expecting, which is a good thing,
especially for the advertisers.

The NC game was OK if you like to watch drives stall out, understand 
what motivates field goal kickers or enjoy hearing Brent Mushmouth try 
to turn the game into something it wasn't.  

The Iowa game will probably be remembered more for the crash of
the Sky-Cam than the outcome of the game.   (BTW, the absence
of an explanation for why it crashed is intriguing.)  

The high scoring games were for the most part more interesting than the low
scoring ones, even if Washington did fire its defensive coordinator
after theirs.  

I so prefer the NCAA's overtime rules to the NFL's, the overtime bowl
games were exciting and dramatic.  The best thing that can be said about
Sunday's OT game is that it was over quickly.

The NFL's newest OT rule still hasn't gotten tested (at least when it counts,
I think it MAY have been used in a pre-season game once.)
--
Mike Nolan


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Jan 12 13:48:31 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 14:48:31 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
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Note that the NFL's new OT rule (that if the team that receives the kickoff
scores a FG on its opening drive, the opponent will get a possession to
either try for the FG to tie & go into further sudden death OT or a TD to
win) is only applicable in the playoffs and has never been used (it started
last season; two seasons ago, in the 2010 playoffs, the Saints got the ball
in OT vs the Vikings in the NFC Championship and kicked game-winning FG in
the opening possession, which eventually led to the rule change).

The talking heads (especially those dedicated to the NFL) love to bash the
college OT rules as "not real football" but I much prefer them to the NFL's
rules.  If you wanted to actually be fair, you should probably extend the
game by 15 minutes (and then continue to do so if it remains tied) but I
realize due to the physical nature of the sport that isn't really
feasible.  Given that, I think the equal possessions afforded in the
college game make it more fair (though I could see the argument behind
moving the ball back further than the 25 yard line).

Jonathan

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Twitter: @hailtopurple
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On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > All of the other BCS stuff aside, I think that this was a very enjoyable
> > football post season.  NU and UM were the only games where I had a dog
> in the
> > hunt, but many of other games were just good football - more so than in
> > recent memory.  The BCS game was a dud, but it usually is.  If we can
> use the
> > quality of play on the field as any gauge of how the system is working,
> > IMHO the system worked well this year.
>
> The bowl matchups we got were a mixed bag, Penn State and Boise State
> deserved better opponents, Northwestern deserved a lesser one.
> (But I think 4 bowl games in a row, even if we lost all 4, is having
> a positive impact on recruiting.)
>
> There were fewer blowouts than I was expecting, which is a good thing,
> especially for the advertisers.
>
> The NC game was OK if you like to watch drives stall out, understand
> what motivates field goal kickers or enjoy hearing Brent Mushmouth try
> to turn the game into something it wasn't.
>
> The Iowa game will probably be remembered more for the crash of
> the Sky-Cam than the outcome of the game.   (BTW, the absence
> of an explanation for why it crashed is intriguing.)
>
> The high scoring games were for the most part more interesting than the low
> scoring ones, even if Washington did fire its defensive coordinator
> after theirs.
>
> I so prefer the NCAA's overtime rules to the NFL's, the overtime bowl
> games were exciting and dramatic.  The best thing that can be said about
> Sunday's OT game is that it was over quickly.
>
> The NFL's newest OT rule still hasn't gotten tested (at least when it
> counts,
> I think it MAY have been used in a pre-season game once.)
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 12 13:53:18 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:53:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
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> feasible.? Given that, I think the equal possessions afforded in the

> college game make it more fair (though I could see the argument behind
> moving the ball back further than the 25 yard line).


I do think using the 30 or 35 (or even the 40) would be better, as it would force teams to actually try to gain some yards even when they just need a FG. But even starting at the 25, the college approach is far, far better than the NFL approach in my opinion.?

Of course, playing for a "safe" FG really hurt at least a couple of college teams this year, and the 25 yard-line rule has provided for some awfully exciting overtimes.?

Tom



From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan 12 14:22:27 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 15:22:27 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
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I think the 25 yard rule is just about right because it is the inflection point for both the offense and the defense.

The defense has to prevent a first down in order to force the offense into a long field goal, but still has to defend the whole field.

The offense can't lose any yards and has to put at least a field goal on the board, so they have to balance their choices too.

If we got to the point where most FG kickers could make the 35 - 40 yard kick, then perhaps it would make sense to move it out a little.  Otherwise, moving it out further simply prolongs the overtimes because the defense doesn't have to immediately deal with the prospect of giving up a field goal and the offense only has to focus on getting a first down in order to get into field goal range.

Jeff


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Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 2:53 PM
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Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...

> feasible.? Given that, I think the equal possessions afforded in the

> college game make it more fair (though I could see the argument behind
> moving the ball back further than the 25 yard line).


I do think using the 30 or 35 (or even the 40) would be better, as it would force teams to actually try to gain some yards even when they just need a FG. But even starting at the 25, the college approach is far, far better than the NFL approach in my opinion.?

Of course, playing for a "safe" FG really hurt at least a couple of college teams this year, and the 25 yard-line rule has provided for some awfully exciting overtimes.?

Tom


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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Jan 12 17:36:00 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:36:00 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
In-Reply-To: <4F0E6E43.4050005@att.net>
Message-ID: <20120112233600.CE68C65319@romaine.tssi.com>

This article says that only three Big Ten schools sold all their bowl
allotment.

http://www.thelantern.com/sports/some-in-big-ten-posted-small-time-ticket-sales-in-this-year-s-bowl-games-1.2739953

Wisconsin (big surprise, the Rose Bowl)
Purdue (almost a home game)
Northwestern

Of course Michigan fans claim that they packed the Dome
with fans, but that many of the tickets came through
sources other than UM.

On the Husker List, there were similar complaints about
the lousy locations and high prices from the UNL
ticket office, and I suspect more than a few Husker
fans got their tickets elsewhere, too.
--
Mike Nolan


From michael.vance at att.net  Thu Jan 12 19:23:57 2012
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 20:23:57 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
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On 1/12/2012 3:22 PM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> If we got to the point where most FG kickers could make the 35 - 40 yard kick, then perhaps it would make sense to move it out a little.  Otherwise, moving it out further simply prolongs the overtimes because the defense doesn't have to immediately deal with the prospect of giving up a field goal and the offense only has to focus on getting a first down in order to get into field goal range.

Since when can't "most" kickers hit a 35-40 yard kick? Though it's not a 
gimme, any D1 kicker should make that more often than not. I think that 
most should hit the 42-43 yard kick that they get with an immediate try 
from the 25. I think college should push it back to the 30 or 35 and the 
pros, if they were to adopt the college-style OT, should definitely go 
from 35-40. There are guys like Bironas who, if they're indoors, won't 
hesitate to try a 55 yarder, and will even do it outside a lot of the time.

-Michael


From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Jan 12 19:47:22 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 19:47:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] B(C)S ratings and attendance ...
In-Reply-To: <4F0F87AD.1010907@att.net>
Message-ID: <20120113014723.19C1E654C5@romaine.tssi.com>

> Since when can't "most" kickers hit a 35-40 yard kick? Though it's not a 
> gimme, any D1 kicker should make that more often than not.  I think that 
> most should hit the 42-43 yard kick that they get with an immediate try 
> from the 25. 

NCAA statistics show that during the 2011 season in Division 1 FBS, 
kickers were 400-710 between 40 and 49 yards.  That's 56.3%.

They were 525-735 from between 30 and 39.  Interesting that there
were almost as many attempts from 40-40 as from 30-39.

Kickers were 55-57 from inside the 20, 587-671 from 20-20,
61-150 from 50-59 and 0-4 from 60+  There were 95 blocked kicks.

Northwestern was 6-10 on field goals for the season.  Only three
teams had fewer attempts:  Army, Boise State and Miami (OH).  The
team with the most attempts was Georgia (37) though Alabama had 36.

I think starting at the 25 came from high school overtime rules, pushing 
it back 5 yards would not be unreasonable for college games, which is why 
the NCAA probably won't do it.  The NFL moved the kickoff line forward 5 
yards this year, to try to reduce the number of injures on kickoffs.  
I don't see much indication that the NCAA plans to follow suit on that.
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan 12 20:02:16 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 02:02:16 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw:
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Head of NCAA said he would support a 4 team playoff.  Unfortunately for SJT the BCS has jurisdiction not the NCAA

Harry
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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Jan 12 22:51:23 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 22:51:23 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw:
In-Reply-To: <783467321-1326420138-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1926177067-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20120113045124.19125654E6@romaine.tssi.com>

> Head of NCAA said he would support a 4 team playoff.  Unfortunately 
> for SJT the BCS has jurisdiction not the NCAA

For now.  The NCAA can wait until the BCS contracts are up, or 
the BCS falls apart, whichever happens first, or it can try
to force the issue by threatening to change the NCAA Bylaws.
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Jan 14 05:38:46 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:38:46 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Spartans
Message-ID: <1437396229-1326541128-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1937011055-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Well I suppose I mention  this every year,but it is now within a week of the 33rd anniversary of then 0-8 in the conference NU beating eventual NCAA Champs and Magic Johnson led MSU in Evanston  83-65.  The Spartans would lose 5 games that year,the other 4 of them by 1 or 2 points. Could history repeat today ? Sure would be nice 

 (BTW NU's only other conference win that year would be on the road  at Illinois)

For the record Dennis,we had a big man named Mike Campbell who outplayed MSU's Jay Vincent that day.  Vincent would later play pro. Campbell who was drafted,opted for Harvard Law School instead

Harry
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Jan 14 07:03:01 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 08:03:01 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Spartans
References: <1437396229-1326541128-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1937011055-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <0236CFA4F4904887919ED4EBBC75A758@dennismachine>

> For the record Dennis,we had a big man named Mike Campbell who outplayed 
> MSU's Jay Vincent that day.  Vincent would later play pro. Campbell who 
> was drafted,opted for Harvard Law School instead
>
Maybe Judge Campbell could come out of retirement? 


From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan 14 07:26:25 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 13:26:25 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] A 'Cat Passes
Message-ID: <376764522-1326547532-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1707820309-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Richard Threlkeld, a very good reporter for CBS News and ABC New, died tragically yesterday in a car crash on Long Island at age 74.  He got his Master's in Journalism at Medill.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Jan 14 14:55:48 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 15:55:48 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] First half vs MSU
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22F38@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Helluva comeback and what a half by Curletti - career-high 13 pts (and Mirkovic is relegated to reserve duty for 2d straight game, this time with Curletti starting).  Michigan State shooting very well, but Cats playing aggressively on both ends...and even though Shurna and Sobolewski couldn't make an outside shot until Shurna's exciting fling to end half.  Shame that Cobb is out again...and Crawford's limited by the flu.  Have to close the deal on this, unlike last two!

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan 14 15:31:10 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 21:31:10 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] First half vs MSU
Message-ID: <77602246-1326576617-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-519435530-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Up by 7 after Curletti dunk.  This feels like the Nebraska football game--could be a season-saving game--if we keep pouring it on. 
------Original Message------
From: Weinbaum, Willie
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] First half vs MSU
Sent: Jan 14, 2012 3:55 PM

Helluva comeback and what a half by Curletti - career-high 13 pts (and Mirkovic is relegated to reserve duty for 2d straight game, this time with Curletti starting).  Michigan State shooting very well, but Cats playing aggressively on both ends...and even though Shurna and Sobolewski couldn't make an outside shot until Shurna's exciting fling to end half.  Shame that Cobb is out again...and Crawford's limited by the flu.  Have to close the deal on this, unlike last two!
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From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Jan 14 16:11:12 2012
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:11:12 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] First half vs MSU
In-Reply-To: <77602246-1326576617-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-519435530-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <77602246-1326576617-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-519435530-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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Nice win!!!

-Michael
Sent from my mobile device...

On Jan 14, 2012, at 4:31 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Up by 7 after Curletti dunk.  This feels like the Nebraska football game--could be a season-saving game--if we keep pouring it on. 
> ------Original Message------
> From: Weinbaum, Willie
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
> Subject: [NU Sports] First half vs MSU
> Sent: Jan 14, 2012 3:55 PM
> 
> Helluva comeback and what a half by Curletti - career-high 13 pts (and Mirkovic is relegated to reserve duty for 2d straight game, this time with Curletti starting).  Michigan State shooting very well, but Cats playing aggressively on both ends...and even though Shurna and Sobolewski couldn't make an outside shot until Shurna's exciting fling to end half.  Shame that Cobb is out again...and Crawford's limited by the flu.  Have to close the deal on this, unlike last two!
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Jan 14 16:11:45 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:11:45 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Closers
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22F46@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Cats' late first-half run carried into second half - - late in the first half, Marcotullio hit two big treys and Shurna closed the half with a long & rousing trey.  Curletti played a terrific half and Crawford battled through the flu to make a strong contribution.

Cats played most assertive 2d half they've had.  There were tense moments, to be sure, but NU never stopped pressing the action, instead of waiting for a miracle.

Perhaps most gratifying is that the kids didn't hang their heads after two crushers and after falling behind MSU in first half...

If ever a turnaround game was needed, this was it.  

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan 14 16:12:52 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:12:52 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FINALLY!
Message-ID: <000001ccd309$a9a549d0$fcefdd70$@com>

Now can we take this (Wild) Cat show on the road?

Let's Go Cats!

rsl

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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sat Jan 14 16:20:17 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 14:20:17 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Closers
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22F46@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22F46@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <CAN7senhRNb_Akb_X8ZnsR7fgsj3m_K3rpFQLDRFEEfsXZXr2ww@mail.gmail.com>

When you get 17 points from your center, it makes a big (pun intended)
difference, doesn't it?

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:

> Cats' late first-half run carried into second half - - late in the first
> half, Marcotullio hit two big treys and Shurna closed the half with a long
> & rousing trey.  Curletti played a terrific half and Crawford battled
> through the flu to make a strong contribution.
>
> Cats played most assertive 2d half they've had.  There were tense moments,
> to be sure, but NU never stopped pressing the action, instead of waiting
> for a miracle.
>
> Perhaps most gratifying is that the kids didn't hang their heads after two
> crushers and after falling behind MSU in first half...
>
> If ever a turnaround game was needed, this was it.
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan 14 16:30:03 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:30:03 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] FINALLY!
In-Reply-To: <000001ccd309$a9a549d0$fcefdd70$@com>
References: <000001ccd309$a9a549d0$fcefdd70$@com>
Message-ID: <1449351368-1326580150-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1325155109-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Fitz must have given Carmody his "secret sauce" from upset win at Lincoln.  What a great effort today. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:12:52 
To: 'Northwestern Wildcats'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] FINALLY!

Now can we take this (Wild) Cat show on the road?

Let's Go Cats!

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Jan 14 16:30:19 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:30:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Closers
In-Reply-To: <CAN7senhRNb_Akb_X8ZnsR7fgsj3m_K3rpFQLDRFEEfsXZXr2ww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22F4A@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Curletti also crashed the boards, made some heady passes and was aggressive on defense. Needed every bit of his effort and the rest to pull this off. Crawford hit several clutch and crucial shots...Sobolewski continues to be a steady point guard (and he'll have better shooting days)...Hearn made some nice plays with and without the ball and is a very hard-working player...

If Cobb regains his health, he could really help.

From: Alan Abrahamson [mailto:alan.abrahamson at gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 05:20 PM
To: Weinbaum, Willie
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Closers

When you get 17 points from your center, it makes a big (pun intended) difference, doesn't it?

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Weinbaum, Willie <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com<mailto:Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>> wrote:
Cats' late first-half run carried into second half - - late in the first half, Marcotullio hit two big treys and Shurna closed the half with a long & rousing trey.  Curletti played a terrific half and Crawford battled through the flu to make a strong contribution.

Cats played most assertive 2d half they've had.  There were tense moments, to be sure, but NU never stopped pressing the action, instead of waiting for a miracle.

Perhaps most gratifying is that the kids didn't hang their heads after two crushers and after falling behind MSU in first half...

If ever a turnaround game was needed, this was it.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan 14 16:35:15 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:35:15 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Closers
In-Reply-To: <CAN7senhRNb_Akb_X8ZnsR7fgsj3m_K3rpFQLDRFEEfsXZXr2ww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22F46@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
 <CAN7senhRNb_Akb_X8ZnsR7fgsj3m_K3rpFQLDRFEEfsXZXr2ww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001301ccd30c$ca1ba760$5e52f620$@com>

Let's see, 17 from the Center, Shurna has a miserable first half (except that monster 3),
Crawford had a cold spell, and Sobo couldn't buy a 3 or basket.

Davide had to pick up the slack.

Anyway, now I'm in a bind - This was the first Big 10 game I've been able to watch on TV,
and I was wearing my old "lucky" purple shirt and purple sweater. Oh, yes, my wife was
also in the room watching.

How do I clear my schedule for the rest of the year to be home during games, since we
don't seem to win when I listen on the radio (sorry Dave) or worse, watch ESPN Game
Tracker on my phone during Choir practice.

This is like why I don't go to NU Home Football games. I've never seen the Cats win in
Dyche or Ryan....

rsl



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:20 PM
To: Weinbaum, Willie
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Closers

When you get 17 points from your center, it makes a big (pun intended) difference, doesn't
it?

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:

> Cats' late first-half run carried into second half - - late in the 
> first half, Marcotullio hit two big treys and Shurna closed the half 
> with a long & rousing trey.  Curletti played a terrific half and 
> Crawford battled through the flu to make a strong contribution.
>
> Cats played most assertive 2d half they've had.  There were tense 
> moments, to be sure, but NU never stopped pressing the action, instead 
> of waiting for a miracle.
>
> Perhaps most gratifying is that the kids didn't hang their heads after 
> two crushers and after falling behind MSU in first half...
>
> If ever a turnaround game was needed, this was it.
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan 14 17:20:51 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 23:20:51 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Closers
In-Reply-To: <001301ccd30c$ca1ba760$5e52f620$@com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22F46@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
 <CAN7senhRNb_Akb_X8ZnsR7fgsj3m_K3rpFQLDRFEEfsXZXr2ww@mail.gmail.com>
 <001301ccd30c$ca1ba760$5e52f620$@com>
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Coach Roy, I love your superstitious nature, as I am just as nutty that way.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:35:15 
To: 'Alan Abrahamson'<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; 'Weinbaum, Willie'<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Closers

Let's see, 17 from the Center, Shurna has a miserable first half (except that monster 3),
Crawford had a cold spell, and Sobo couldn't buy a 3 or basket.

Davide had to pick up the slack.

Anyway, now I'm in a bind - This was the first Big 10 game I've been able to watch on TV,
and I was wearing my old "lucky" purple shirt and purple sweater. Oh, yes, my wife was
also in the room watching.

How do I clear my schedule for the rest of the year to be home during games, since we
don't seem to win when I listen on the radio (sorry Dave) or worse, watch ESPN Game
Tracker on my phone during Choir practice.

This is like why I don't go to NU Home Football games. I've never seen the Cats win in
Dyche or Ryan....

rsl



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:20 PM
To: Weinbaum, Willie
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Closers

When you get 17 points from your center, it makes a big (pun intended) difference, doesn't
it?

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:

> Cats' late first-half run carried into second half - - late in the 
> first half, Marcotullio hit two big treys and Shurna closed the half 
> with a long & rousing trey.  Curletti played a terrific half and 
> Crawford battled through the flu to make a strong contribution.
>
> Cats played most assertive 2d half they've had.  There were tense 
> moments, to be sure, but NU never stopped pressing the action, instead 
> of waiting for a miracle.
>
> Perhaps most gratifying is that the kids didn't hang their heads after 
> two crushers and after falling behind MSU in first half...
>
> If ever a turnaround game was needed, this was it.
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan 14 19:22:07 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 20:22:07 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Closers
In-Reply-To: <1709958946-1326583197-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-440263616-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22F46@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
 <CAN7senhRNb_Akb_X8ZnsR7fgsj3m_K3rpFQLDRFEEfsXZXr2ww@mail.gmail.com>
 <001301ccd30c$ca1ba760$5e52f620$@com>
 <1709958946-1326583197-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-440263616-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <002601ccd324$199f5ea0$4cde1be0$@com>

This is the purple shirt that I've worn for years.

It has a better record than NU since when we lose I usually have another shirt on.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 6:21 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; 'Alan Abrahamson'; 'Weinbaum, Willie'
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Closers

Coach Roy, I love your superstitious nature, as I am just as nutty that way.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 17:35:15
To: 'Alan Abrahamson'<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; 'Weinbaum,
Willie'<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Closers

Let's see, 17 from the Center, Shurna has a miserable first half (except that monster 3),
Crawford had a cold spell, and Sobo couldn't buy a 3 or basket.

Davide had to pick up the slack.

Anyway, now I'm in a bind - This was the first Big 10 game I've been able to watch on TV,
and I was wearing my old "lucky" purple shirt and purple sweater. Oh, yes, my wife was
also in the room watching.

How do I clear my schedule for the rest of the year to be home during games, since we
don't seem to win when I listen on the radio (sorry Dave) or worse, watch ESPN Game
Tracker on my phone during Choir practice.

This is like why I don't go to NU Home Football games. I've never seen the Cats win in
Dyche or Ryan....

rsl



+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any organizations of which I
am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random Thoughts -
http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ---------------------- "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion
Baseball Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95) Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, love of freedom, intelligence and
energy of her citizens cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
=  =  =  =  =  = If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, tell me how to live,'
We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:20 PM
To: Weinbaum, Willie
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Closers

When you get 17 points from your center, it makes a big (pun intended) difference, doesn't
it?

On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:

> Cats' late first-half run carried into second half - - late in the 
> first half, Marcotullio hit two big treys and Shurna closed the half 
> with a long & rousing trey.  Curletti played a terrific half and 
> Crawford battled through the flu to make a strong contribution.
>
> Cats played most assertive 2d half they've had.  There were tense 
> moments, to be sure, but NU never stopped pressing the action, instead 
> of waiting for a miracle.
>
> Perhaps most gratifying is that the kids didn't hang their heads after 
> two crushers and after falling behind MSU in first half...
>
> If ever a turnaround game was needed, this was it.
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 15 14:54:34 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:54:34 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
Message-ID: <146193995-1326660875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618295030-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a road win or 2 to make up for the Illini debacle. 

Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false beacons of hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with their sparks but die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 15:35:20 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:35:20 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
In-Reply-To: <146193995-1326660875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618295030-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
References: <146193995-1326660875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618295030-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <-2867618377823190227@unknownmsgid>

Such poetry to enliven our basketball musings or, perhaps, travails.

I shall now return to Kafka. (Not Mike.)

Oh, wait. It's SoCal and 72 degrees in January. Hope springs eternal
here in mid-winter and Davide Curletti is the answer. Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 15, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com"
<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a road win or 2 to make up for the Illini debacle.
>
> Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false beacons of hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with their sparks but die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 15 15:37:40 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:37:40 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
In-Reply-To: <-2867618377823190227@unknownmsgid>
References: <146193995-1326660875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618295030-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
 <-2867618377823190227@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <1589833581-1326663460-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2010561567-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

It's precisely the reverse -- 27 -- in Philadelphia. Maybe that explains the difference in our outlook... (smile) 

Bw
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:35:20 
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

Such poetry to enliven our basketball musings or, perhaps, travails.

I shall now return to Kafka. (Not Mike.)

Oh, wait. It's SoCal and 72 degrees in January. Hope springs eternal
here in mid-winter and Davide Curletti is the answer. Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 15, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com"
<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a road win or 2 to make up for the Illini debacle.
>
> Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false beacons of hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with their sparks but die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 15 15:41:29 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:41:29 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
In-Reply-To: <146193995-1326660875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618295030-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
References: <146193995-1326660875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618295030-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1833202483-1326663692-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1768401335-@b2.c4.bise6.blackberry>

Brad,

My advice is to enjoy the ride and worry less about the final destination. I was at the game, and had a really, really great time enjoying the game with some good friends.

This team is highly unlikely to win the national championship. If they do make the dance, they are almost guaranteed to end the season with a loss.

So, I'm going to enjoy all the sweet moments.

Tom 
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 20:54:34 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a road win or 2 to make up for the Illini debacle. 

Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false beacons of hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with their sparks but die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sun Jan 15 15:44:20 2012
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Chuck Herron)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:44:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
In-Reply-To: <1589833581-1326663460-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2010561567-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
References: <146193995-1326660875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618295030-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry><-2867618377823190227@unknownmsgid>
 <1589833581-1326663460-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2010561567-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <8CEA1E5F9141AF4-C30-4C1EB@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com>

All,


We are currently 12-5 (2-3).  Is there any drop-dead number of losses that we must avoid to have any hope ?  Football is so much easier - just get to 6 wins any way that you can...


Thanks,


Chuck Herron   Tech '85



-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...


It's precisely the reverse -- 27 -- in Philadelphia. Maybe that explains the 
difference in our outlook... (smile) 

Bw
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:35:20 
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

Such poetry to enliven our basketball musings or, perhaps, travails.

I shall now return to Kafka. (Not Mike.)

Oh, wait. It's SoCal and 72 degrees in January. Hope springs eternal
here in mid-winter and Davide Curletti is the answer. Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 15, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com"
<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a road win 
or 2 to make up for the Illini debacle.
>
> Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false beacons 
of hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with 
their sparks but die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
_______________________________________________
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nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 15 15:50:35 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:50:35 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
In-Reply-To: <8CEA1E5F9141AF4-C30-4C1EB@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com>
References: <146193995-1326660875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618295030-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
 <-2867618377823190227@unknownmsgid>
 <1589833581-1326663460-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2010561567-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
 <8CEA1E5F9141AF4-C30-4C1EB@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1847143701-1326664235-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1050582755-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

I would think double-digits in losses dooms any NCAA hopes ... but perhaps not with a decent BT tournament run. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:44:20 
To: <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

All,


We are currently 12-5 (2-3).  Is there any drop-dead number of losses that we must avoid to have any hope ?  Football is so much easier - just get to 6 wins any way that you can...


Thanks,


Chuck Herron   Tech '85



-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...


It's precisely the reverse -- 27 -- in Philadelphia. Maybe that explains the 
difference in our outlook... (smile) 

Bw
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:35:20 
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

Such poetry to enliven our basketball musings or, perhaps, travails.

I shall now return to Kafka. (Not Mike.)

Oh, wait. It's SoCal and 72 degrees in January. Hope springs eternal
here in mid-winter and Davide Curletti is the answer. Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 15, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com"
<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a road win 
or 2 to make up for the Illini debacle.
>
> Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false beacons 
of hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with 
their sparks but die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

 


From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 15 16:27:30 2012
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:27:30 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] So, I see we wore black uniforms at W-R
Message-ID: <1855855.1326666450521.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Anyone know if we've ever worn black (or even purple, for that matter) for a home basketball game? Seems like the gimmick worked.

This is in contrast to our football team. Every time we've worn a gimmick uniform for a home football game, we've lost: 2007 vs. Duke, 2008 vs. Ohio State, 2010 vs. Illinois at Wrigley, 2011 vs. both Michigan and Penn State. In fact, even when we wear non-traditional uniforms for road games under Fitz, we lose, too (the Ticket City Bowl vs. Texas Tech and 2011 at Army).

Jim B.


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Jan 15 16:59:26 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 17:59:26 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
References: <146193995-1326660875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618295030-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry><-2867618377823190227@unknownmsgid>
 <1589833581-1326663460-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2010561567-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
 <8CEA1E5F9141AF4-C30-4C1EB@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC1448C0@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

With the wonderful win at home over MSU, we are currently 12-5 and back on schedule for a 20 win season.  As others have pointed out this includes more road wins that we've had in recent memory.  I do have us losing at home against UM.  At this point that looks more like a win, so perhaps we can sustain one more road loss (you pick) and still get 20 wins by beating UM in Evanston.  That should be enough to get our invite to the dance.
 
01/18/12 at Wisconsin    L
01/22/12 at Minnesota    W
01/28/12 vs. Purdue     W
02/02/12 vs. Nebraska    W
02/05/12 at Illinois     L
02/09/12 vs. Iowa     W
02/12/12 at Purdue    L
02/15/12 at Indiana     W
02/18/12 vs. Minnesota    W
02/21/12 vs. Michigan    L
02/25/12 at Penn State    W
02/29/12 vs. Ohio State    L
03/03/12 at Iowa     W

As far as yesterday's game is concerned, IMHO it was all about the effective play of Curletti.  As bad as Luka played against Michigan, that's how good Curletti was against MSU.  Barring injury I don't think that we're going to see much of Luka for a while.  It was also great to the whole team finish.  Look forward to seeing this dangerous team take this new found aggressiveness on the road.

Jeff


________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Chuck Herron
Sent: Sun 1/15/2012 4:44 PM
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...



All,


We are currently 12-5 (2-3).  Is there any drop-dead number of losses that we must avoid to have any hope ?  Football is so much easier - just get to 6 wins any way that you can...


Thanks,


Chuck Herron   Tech '85



-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...


It's precisely the reverse -- 27 -- in Philadelphia. Maybe that explains the
difference in our outlook... (smile)

Bw
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:35:20
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

Such poetry to enliven our basketball musings or, perhaps, travails.

I shall now return to Kafka. (Not Mike.)

Oh, wait. It's SoCal and 72 degrees in January. Hope springs eternal
here in mid-winter and Davide Curletti is the answer. Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 15, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com"
<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a road win
or 2 to make up for the Illini debacle.
>
> Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false beacons
of hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with
their sparks but die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan 15 17:12:07 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:12:07 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC1448C0@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <146193995-1326660875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618295030-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry><-2867618377823190227@unknownmsgid>
 <1589833581-1326663460-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2010561567-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
 <8CEA1E5F9141AF4-C30-4C1EB@webmail-d066.sysops.aol.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC1448C0@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <004301ccd3db$1b3309d0$51991d70$@com>

If the team that played yesterday shows up in Champaign and Ann Arbor, those two should be
wins.

They might get a couple games into the Big 10 tourney also, but as I said, the team that
played yesterday afternoon has to return to action the rest of the season.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:59 PM
To: Chuck Herron; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

With the wonderful win at home over MSU, we are currently 12-5 and back on schedule for a
20 win season.  As others have pointed out this includes more road wins that we've had in
recent memory.  I do have us losing at home against UM.  At this point that looks more
like a win, so perhaps we can sustain one more road loss (you pick) and still get 20 wins
by beating UM in Evanston.  That should be enough to get our invite to the dance.
 
01/18/12 at Wisconsin    L
01/22/12 at Minnesota    W
01/28/12 vs. Purdue     W
02/02/12 vs. Nebraska    W
02/05/12 at Illinois     L
02/09/12 vs. Iowa     W
02/12/12 at Purdue    L
02/15/12 at Indiana     W
02/18/12 vs. Minnesota    W
02/21/12 vs. Michigan    L
02/25/12 at Penn State    W
02/29/12 vs. Ohio State    L
03/03/12 at Iowa     W

As far as yesterday's game is concerned, IMHO it was all about the effective play of
Curletti.  As bad as Luka played against Michigan, that's how good Curletti was against
MSU.  Barring injury I don't think that we're going to see much of Luka for a while.  It
was also great to the whole team finish.  Look forward to seeing this dangerous team take
this new found aggressiveness on the road.

Jeff


________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Chuck Herron
Sent: Sun 1/15/2012 4:44 PM
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...



All,


We are currently 12-5 (2-3).  Is there any drop-dead number of losses that we must avoid
to have any hope ?  Football is so much easier - just get to 6 wins any way that you
can...


Thanks,


Chuck Herron   Tech '85



-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...


It's precisely the reverse -- 27 -- in Philadelphia. Maybe that explains the difference in
our outlook... (smile)

Bw
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:35:20
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

Such poetry to enliven our basketball musings or, perhaps, travails.

I shall now return to Kafka. (Not Mike.)

Oh, wait. It's SoCal and 72 degrees in January. Hope springs eternal here in mid-winter
and Davide Curletti is the answer. Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 15, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com"
<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a 
> road win
or 2 to make up for the Illini debacle.
>
> Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false 
> beacons
of hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with their sparks
but die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? 
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 15 17:18:15 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:18:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] So, Mike ...
Message-ID: <1326669495.66716.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... still think NFL games are dull? What more could you ask for this weekend?

Yeah, the Pats blowout was ugly - but there were some amazing plays that first half.

And my Saints went down in defeat, but the final four minutes in Candlestick were absolutely crazy.

For the defensive folks, you saw some terrific D with the Ravens today.

And now you have a wild upset brewing in Lambeau with one of the worst replay calls in history that reeked of home field cooking and a wacky hail mary to end the half.

I still think the Pack will come back, but it's why the divisional round has replaced January 1 as the best day of football on the calendar each year. Even in a pretty darn good Bowl Day like this year with MSU's rally, the crazy Rose Bowl and OT in the Fiesta, it's still not close because these games have so much more meaning.

The only thing missing was snow ... and given the late games in Foxboro and Lambeau, there should have been flakes! Darned global warming ...

The hoops game yesterday was nice, but it didn't help soften the bummer end for New Orleans :( ... I'm sort of glad Harbaugh didn't go to Michigan now, because I grew up a Maize and Blue fan and I don't think I could take his cocky grin every year ... I think the more I see of him, the more I'm with Jim Schwartz on that postgame confrontation from earlier this year.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 15 17:21:03 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:21:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
In-Reply-To: <146193995-1326660875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618295030-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
References: <146193995-1326660875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618295030-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1326669663.71566.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Brad's right ... we need another signature win or two to solidify our case.

On the plus side, with Indiana's resurgence and strong non conference wins over Duke, Kentucky and others by the league, the Big Ten is clearly looked on as the best in the land this year ... so if we're close, we'll get the benefit of the doubt.

Still, gotta get a couple more big wins -- preferably one on the road -- to take it out of the committee's hands.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com" <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:54 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
 
... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a road win or 2 to make up for the Illini debacle. 

Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false beacons of hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with their sparks but die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes. 

Brad Wilson
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Jan 15 17:32:55 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:32:55 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
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Don't feel too confident about the game in Bloomington.  Hoosiers are having a very good year.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 18:12:07 
To: 'Beamsley, Jeff'<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; 'Chuck Herron'<cherron604 at aol.com>; <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

If the team that played yesterday shows up in Champaign and Ann Arbor, those two should be
wins.

They might get a couple games into the Big 10 tourney also, but as I said, the team that
played yesterday afternoon has to return to action the rest of the season.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:59 PM
To: Chuck Herron; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

With the wonderful win at home over MSU, we are currently 12-5 and back on schedule for a
20 win season.  As others have pointed out this includes more road wins that we've had in
recent memory.  I do have us losing at home against UM.  At this point that looks more
like a win, so perhaps we can sustain one more road loss (you pick) and still get 20 wins
by beating UM in Evanston.  That should be enough to get our invite to the dance.
 
01/18/12 at Wisconsin    L
01/22/12 at Minnesota    W
01/28/12 vs. Purdue     W
02/02/12 vs. Nebraska    W
02/05/12 at Illinois     L
02/09/12 vs. Iowa     W
02/12/12 at Purdue    L
02/15/12 at Indiana     W
02/18/12 vs. Minnesota    W
02/21/12 vs. Michigan    L
02/25/12 at Penn State    W
02/29/12 vs. Ohio State    L
03/03/12 at Iowa     W

As far as yesterday's game is concerned, IMHO it was all about the effective play of
Curletti.  As bad as Luka played against Michigan, that's how good Curletti was against
MSU.  Barring injury I don't think that we're going to see much of Luka for a while.  It
was also great to the whole team finish.  Look forward to seeing this dangerous team take
this new found aggressiveness on the road.

Jeff


________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Chuck Herron
Sent: Sun 1/15/2012 4:44 PM
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...



All,


We are currently 12-5 (2-3).  Is there any drop-dead number of losses that we must avoid
to have any hope ?  Football is so much easier - just get to 6 wins any way that you
can...


Thanks,


Chuck Herron   Tech '85



-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...


It's precisely the reverse -- 27 -- in Philadelphia. Maybe that explains the difference in
our outlook... (smile)

Bw
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:35:20
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

Such poetry to enliven our basketball musings or, perhaps, travails.

I shall now return to Kafka. (Not Mike.)

Oh, wait. It's SoCal and 72 degrees in January. Hope springs eternal here in mid-winter
and Davide Curletti is the answer. Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 15, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com"
<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a 
> road win
or 2 to make up for the Illini debacle.
>
> Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false 
> beacons
of hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with their sparks
but die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sun Jan 15 17:54:17 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:54:17 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
In-Reply-To: <1326669663.71566.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <146193995-1326660875-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-618295030-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
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Not to be obvious about it: I'll take *more* wins. We need as many wins as
possible.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:21 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Brad's right ... we need another signature win or two to solidify our case.
>
> On the plus side, with Indiana's resurgence and strong non conference wins
> over Duke, Kentucky and others by the league, the Big Ten is clearly looked
> on as the best in the land this year ... so if we're close, we'll get the
> benefit of the doubt.
>
> Still, gotta get a couple more big wins -- preferably one on the road --
> to take it out of the committee's hands.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com" <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:54 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
>
> ... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a road
> win or 2 to make up for the Illini debacle.
>
> Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false
> beacons of hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease
> us with their sparks but die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Jan 15 19:43:27 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 19:43:27 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] So, Mike ...
In-Reply-To: <1326669495.66716.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120116014328.1C33A65557@romaine.tssi.com>

> ... still think NFL games are dull? What more could you ask for this weekend?

Any day the Packers lose is a good day, although the refs did seem
to be wearing cheeseheads for a while. 

The 49'ers game was 56 minutes of fairl`y dull football, but the last 
4 minutes were good.  The Patriots game got dull about 2 minutes in 
and stayed there, and all the Tebowism chatter couldn't save it.  
I missed the first half of the Ravens-Texans game, the second half 
really didn't hold my interest.  
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan 16 00:05:20 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 06:05:20 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
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While I will admit I didn't do any research, I have never heard that there are any minimum/maximum wins ,losses that automatically qualify you or disqualify you from being selected for the tournament. Of course you can have zero victories during the regular season but win your conference tournament and get an automatic bid, but even excluding that exception,I don't think there are automatic ins or outs. Assuming my guess is accurate then we need to look at realistically what will get us in or not.  I think 20 wins puts us on the bubble. A few big upsets, particularly late in the season would be a stronger 20 wins, than getting 20 wins by just beating lesser teams and having a few upsets in January.  I also would speculate that the committee would love to give us a break if we are close. It would not only be an extra  storyline about our maiden voyage, but might also help the TV draw with a team in the 3rd largest market.  Throw in a few extra teams this year, and it is ours to lose.

 The big question is was the MSU win just a lucky win(something akin to my post about our 1979 upset of MSU-even though the differences in talent in the 2 games doesn't really compare ) or was the win more indicative of who we are ?

With our recent close losses and the win over MSU, I want to be optimistic, but  I fear Dennis' complaint is not only real, but spot on to our key problem. Time will tell.

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:44:20 
To: <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

All,


We are currently 12-5 (2-3).  Is there any drop-dead number of losses that we must avoid to have any hope ?  Football is so much easier - just get to 6 wins any way that you can...


Thanks,


Chuck Herron   Tech '85



-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...


It's precisely the reverse -- 27 -- in Philadelphia. Maybe that explains the 
difference in our outlook... (smile) 

Bw
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:35:20 
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

Such poetry to enliven our basketball musings or, perhaps, travails.

I shall now return to Kafka. (Not Mike.)

Oh, wait. It's SoCal and 72 degrees in January. Hope springs eternal
here in mid-winter and Davide Curletti is the answer. Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 15, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com"
<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a road win 
or 2 to make up for the Illini debacle.
>
> Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false beacons 
of hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with 
their sparks but die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From marks83588 at aol.com  Mon Jan 16 05:50:22 2012
From: marks83588 at aol.com (marks83588 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 06:50:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
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If the team that played yesterday shows up in Champaign and Ann Arbor, those two 
hould be
ins.



Well, NU LOST in Ann Arbor last week so it will have to be the team that shows up in Evanston against UM ;-)

Seriously, this doesn't look like a vintage Wisky team, narrowly beat Nebraska yesterday in Mad town, so NU could steal a W this Wednesday. Winning in Iowa City will be tough though, so I'd pencil in a L there. I think PSU in State Penn is a toss-up and could be another L given the hex the Lions seem to hold over the Cats from the DeChellis years.



-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: 'Beamsley, Jeff' <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; 'Chuck Herron' <cherron604 at aol.com>; bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...


If the team that played yesterday shows up in Champaign and Ann Arbor, those two 
hould be
ins.
They might get a couple games into the Big 10 tourney also, but as I said, the 
eam that
layed yesterday afternoon has to return to action the rest of the season.
rsl
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omputer Applications & Support Associates
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ove of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
annot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
f we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
ell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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-----Original Message-----
rom: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf 
f
eamsley, Jeff
ent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:59 PM
o: Chuck Herron; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
ubject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
With the wonderful win at home over MSU, we are currently 12-5 and back on 
chedule for a
0 win season.  As others have pointed out this includes more road wins that 
e've had in
ecent memory.  I do have us losing at home against UM.  At this point that 
ooks more
ike a win, so perhaps we can sustain one more road loss (you pick) and still 
et 20 wins
y beating UM in Evanston.  That should be enough to get our invite to the 
ance.

1/18/12 at Wisconsin    L
1/22/12 at Minnesota    W
1/28/12 vs. Purdue     W
2/02/12 vs. Nebraska    W
2/05/12 at Illinois     L
2/09/12 vs. Iowa     W
2/12/12 at Purdue    L
2/15/12 at Indiana     W
2/18/12 vs. Minnesota    W
2/21/12 vs. Michigan    L
2/25/12 at Penn State    W
2/29/12 vs. Ohio State    L
3/03/12 at Iowa     W
As far as yesterday's game is concerned, IMHO it was all about the effective 
lay of
urletti.  As bad as Luka played against Michigan, that's how good Curletti was 
gainst
SU.  Barring injury I don't think that we're going to see much of Luka for a 
hile.  It
as also great to the whole team finish.  Look forward to seeing this dangerous 
eam take
his new found aggressiveness on the road.
Jeff

_______________________________
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Chuck Herron
ent: Sun 1/15/2012 4:44 PM
o: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
ubject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

All,

e are currently 12-5 (2-3).  Is there any drop-dead number of losses that we 
ust avoid
o have any hope ?  Football is so much easier - just get to 6 wins any way that 
ou
an...

hanks,

huck Herron   Tech '85

-----Original Message-----
rom: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
o: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
c: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
ent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 11:38 am
ubject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

t's precisely the reverse -- 27 -- in Philadelphia. Maybe that explains the 
ifference in
ur outlook... (smile)
Bw
ent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
-----Original Message-----
rom: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
ate: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:35:20
o: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
c: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
ubject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
Such poetry to enliven our basketball musings or, perhaps, travails.
I shall now return to Kafka. (Not Mike.)
Oh, wait. It's SoCal and 72 degrees in January. Hope springs eternal here in 
id-winter
nd Davide Curletti is the answer. Maybe.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com"
bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> ... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a 
 road win
r 2 to make up for the Illini debacle.

 Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false 
 beacons
f hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with 
heir sparks
ut die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes.

 Brad Wilson
 Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan 16 08:00:51 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:00:51 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
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If we play at home against Michigan the way we played in Ann Arbor, we win, maybe going away. As I've said, I haven't been able to watch the Cats on TV much this year, and with taxes and other things, I've lost contact with the schedule.

But I agree about Ioway - they look very dangerous at home, but they also have fans who are also questioning whether that win Saturday is their real team, or a fluke.

IN any case, I have always read that the Tournament Committee tends to look at later performance over early success. BC's teams have always given the impression of falling off at the end of the season, don't know if it's the league, exams or the quarter system that wears the kids down but if we're really going to be playing past the Big 10 Tournament, we're gonna need some quality wins in February to go with Saturday's win.

Go Cats!

rsl

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Director Media Relations - Little League 
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cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of marks83588 at aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 6:50 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...




If the team that played yesterday shows up in Champaign and Ann Arbor, those two hould be ins.



Well, NU LOST in Ann Arbor last week so it will have to be the team that shows up in Evanston against UM ;-)

Seriously, this doesn't look like a vintage Wisky team, narrowly beat Nebraska yesterday in Mad town, so NU could steal a W this Wednesday. Winning in Iowa City will be tough though, so I'd pencil in a L there. I think PSU in State Penn is a toss-up and could be another L given the hex the Lions seem to hold over the Cats from the DeChellis years.



-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: 'Beamsley, Jeff' <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; 'Chuck Herron' <cherron604 at aol.com>; bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 6:13 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...


If the team that played yesterday shows up in Champaign and Ann Arbor, those two 
hould be
ins.
They might get a couple games into the Big 10 tourney also, but as I said, the 
eam that
layed yesterday afternoon has to return to action the rest of the season.
rsl
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pinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
hose of any organizations of which I am a member.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
oy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
omputer Applications & Support Associates
oach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
irector Media Relations - Little League 
 Senior League Softball World Series
TR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
orthwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
hi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
ublisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
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here is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
ove of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
annot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
f we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
ell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

-----Original Message-----
rom: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf 
f
eamsley, Jeff
ent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:59 PM
o: Chuck Herron; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
ubject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
With the wonderful win at home over MSU, we are currently 12-5 and back on 
chedule for a
0 win season.  As others have pointed out this includes more road wins that 
e've had in
ecent memory.  I do have us losing at home against UM.  At this point that 
ooks more
ike a win, so perhaps we can sustain one more road loss (you pick) and still 
et 20 wins
y beating UM in Evanston.  That should be enough to get our invite to the 
ance.

1/18/12 at Wisconsin    L
1/22/12 at Minnesota    W
1/28/12 vs. Purdue     W
2/02/12 vs. Nebraska    W
2/05/12 at Illinois     L
2/09/12 vs. Iowa     W
2/12/12 at Purdue    L
2/15/12 at Indiana     W
2/18/12 vs. Minnesota    W
2/21/12 vs. Michigan    L
2/25/12 at Penn State    W
2/29/12 vs. Ohio State    L
3/03/12 at Iowa     W
As far as yesterday's game is concerned, IMHO it was all about the effective 
lay of
urletti.  As bad as Luka played against Michigan, that's how good Curletti was 
gainst
SU.  Barring injury I don't think that we're going to see much of Luka for a 
hile.  It
as also great to the whole team finish.  Look forward to seeing this dangerous 
eam take
his new found aggressiveness on the road.
Jeff

_______________________________
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Chuck Herron
ent: Sun 1/15/2012 4:44 PM
o: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
ubject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

All,

e are currently 12-5 (2-3).  Is there any drop-dead number of losses that we 
ust avoid
o have any hope ?  Football is so much easier - just get to 6 wins any way that 
ou
an...

hanks,

huck Herron   Tech '85

-----Original Message-----
rom: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
o: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
c: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
ent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 11:38 am
ubject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

t's precisely the reverse -- 27 -- in Philadelphia. Maybe that explains the 
ifference in
ur outlook... (smile)
Bw
ent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
-----Original Message-----
rom: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
ate: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:35:20
o: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
c: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
ubject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
Such poetry to enliven our basketball musings or, perhaps, travails.
I shall now return to Kafka. (Not Mike.)
Oh, wait. It's SoCal and 72 degrees in January. Hope springs eternal here in 
id-winter
nd Davide Curletti is the answer. Maybe.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 15, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com"
bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> ... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a 
 road win
r 2 to make up for the Illini debacle.

 Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false 
 beacons
f hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with 
heir sparks
ut die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes.

 Brad Wilson
 Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Jan 16 08:19:08 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:19:08 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
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Harry wrote <snip>

With our recent close losses and the win over MSU, I want to be optimistic, but  I fear Dennis' complaint is not only real, but spot on to our key problem. Time will tell.

=================

IMHO the MSU win was building on the good offensive play of the "small" lineup we saw in the first half of the UM game.

We have to get offensive production out of the center position in order to open up the lane for the easy backdoor cuts that are key to our offense. If the defense can ignore our center particularly when he is at the FT line (as they do with Luka), that allows them to clog up the lane and disrupt our cuts to the basket.  

MSU paid the price for attempting to play Curletti that way.  When they began to play him straight up, the rest of the offense began to work.  We still needed a big second half from Shurna and Crawford, but that's how this team is put together.  

I agree that we will still have problems with teams like OSU who have a dominant center, but the big question in my mind right now is whether we can take this good play on the road.  Hopefully we'll catch Wisky before they make their tourney run and steal a road win from them. 

As far as the tournament is concerned, if we get to 20 wins I think that we are in.  That will give us a 10-8 conference schedule, a signature win over a top ten team, and some road wins in a conference where that is very difficult.  As far as winning late in the year, our February/March schedule looks pretty good.  We've got 5 home games with OSU being the only one where we are distinct dogs. We've also got 5 road games where we need to find only two wins (assuming we beat UM at home and Minny on the road next Sunday).  It could all come down to a road win against Iowa in early March. 

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Chuck Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 16:44:20 
To: <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

All,


We are currently 12-5 (2-3).  Is there any drop-dead number of losses that we must avoid to have any hope ?  Football is so much easier - just get to 6 wins any way that you can...


Thanks,


Chuck Herron   Tech '85



-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...


It's precisely the reverse -- 27 -- in Philadelphia. Maybe that explains the 
difference in our outlook... (smile) 

Bw
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:35:20 
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...

Such poetry to enliven our basketball musings or, perhaps, travails.

I shall now return to Kafka. (Not Mike.)

Oh, wait. It's SoCal and 72 degrees in January. Hope springs eternal
here in mid-winter and Davide Curletti is the answer. Maybe.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 15, 2012, at 12:55 PM, "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com"
<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... But beating MSU only means something if it is followed up with a road win 
or 2 to make up for the Illini debacle.
>
> Without follow-up this win is simply one of those occasional but false beacons 
of hope that flare up from McGaw Hall every now and then that tease us with 
their sparks but die out meaninglessly in cold, gloomy ashes.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 08:20:34 2012
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:20:34 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] So, I see we wore black uniforms at W-R
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References: <1855855.1326666450521.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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I was really surprised to see the black unis, not just because they were black instead of purple but because you have to get a special waiver from the NCAA to wear anything other than white (or gold, yellow or other pale color that the NCAA has approved as your standard home uni).  I don't know how much trouble it is to get the waiver but I doubt that Izzo will agree to wear white on the road any time soon.
Mark

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Jan 15, 2012, at 5:27 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Anyone know if we've ever worn black (or even purple, for that matter) for a home basketball game? Seems like the gimmick worked.
> 
> This is in contrast to our football team. Every time we've worn a gimmick uniform for a home football game, we've lost: 2007 vs. Duke, 2008 vs. Ohio State, 2010 vs. Illinois at Wrigley, 2011 vs. both Michigan and Penn State. In fact, even when we wear non-traditional uniforms for road games under Fitz, we lose, too (the Ticket City Bowl vs. Texas Tech and 2011 at Army).
> 
> Jim B.
> 
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 16 08:33:38 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 06:33:38 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] So, I see we wore black uniforms at W-R
In-Reply-To: <DA61FCF1-7EC8-4BD0-93EB-9497FB17FEEF@gmail.com>
References: <1855855.1326666450521.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <-2236459904815911360@unknownmsgid>

Dunno about that. Izzo's team started this season wearing camouflage
uniforms in tribute to our armed services aboard the USS Carl Vinson.
It's all good for college basketball.



On Jan 16, 2012, at 6:20 AM, Mark Ament <sportsbiz at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was really surprised to see the black unis, not just because they were black instead of purple but because you have to get a special waiver from the NCAA to wear anything other than white (or gold, yellow or other pale color that the NCAA has approved as your standard home uni).  I don't know how much trouble it is to get the waiver but I doubt that Izzo will agree to wear white on the road any time soon.
> Mark
>
> Mark S. Ament
> sportsbiz at gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2012, at 5:27 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> Anyone know if we've ever worn black (or even purple, for that matter) for a home basketball game? Seems like the gimmick worked.
>>
>> This is in contrast to our football team. Every time we've worn a gimmick uniform for a home football game, we've lost: 2007 vs. Duke, 2008 vs. Ohio State, 2010 vs. Illinois at Wrigley, 2011 vs. both Michigan and Penn State. In fact, even when we wear non-traditional uniforms for road games under Fitz, we lose, too (the Ticket City Bowl vs. Texas Tech and 2011 at Army).
>>
>> Jim B.
>>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan 16 10:22:42 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:22:42 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] I waited a day to be a downer...
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Message-ID: <2FD1DC8BF06E45C18C078EDDADC607EC@dennismachine>

> With our recent close losses and the win over MSU, I want to be 
> optimistic, but  I fear Dennis' complaint is not only real, but spot on to 
> our key problem. Time will tell.

Who was that red-faced guy with the pitchfork I just saw skiing by????  {:>)

After four years of hard work, Luka will be rewarded by getting a lot more 
pine time.  Curletti is hardly the prototypical Big Ten center, but right 
now he is playing more aggressively than Mircovic and appears to be stronger 
and more athletic.  The announcers during the Michigan game claimed that 
Carmody was "experimenting" with the "smaller" lineup but could not use it 
all season.  To the contrary, I believe Mr. Bill has finally realized that 
the Cats cannot and will not win with Mircovic at center.  I don't know if 
they'll win with Curletti in that position either, but right now he is the 
better man for the job.  As Alan remarked, you can thank him for the 
Michigan State win.

On a historical note, Kyle Rowley is averaging 4.7 minutes, 1.2 points, and 
1.1 rebounds a game for St. Mary's, and it appears that most of that came in 
the pre-season.  I watched the first half of one of St. Mary's conference 
games, and the only time he rose from the bench was during timeouts and to 
return to the locker room at halftime.  It does not appear that he is 
injured.  Carmody really missed the basketball mark with that young man, and 
so did the Gaels coach, it seems.

Next season, Bill, you HAVE to have a quality center in the lineup. 


From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Jan 17 12:43:51 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 13:43:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] ND Snags Top QB Recruit
Message-ID: <8CEA35F174055DD-FC4-121C@webmail-m152.sysops.aol.com>

Gunner Kiel, the highly-touted recruit who recently fell through Kevin Wilson's fingers at Indiana, has now decided to matriculate at Notre Dame, after first committing to LSU:? 
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/story/_/id/7471433/highly-touted-qb-gunner-kiel-enrolls-notre-dame-fighting-irish-lsu-tigers
?
Obviously, if he is as uncertain in the pocket as he has been in choosing his school, he won't live up to his billing.? Something tells me this kid is trouble--or maybe his dad is.? Let's see how happy he is with his choice when Brian Kelly starts screaming at him on the sidelines after an interception or two.
?
Paul Levinson
?


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 17 12:57:19 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 10:57:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] ND Snags Top QB Recruit
In-Reply-To: <8CEA35F174055DD-FC4-121C@webmail-m152.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEA35F174055DD-FC4-121C@webmail-m152.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1326826639.37723.YahooMailNeo@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

"Kiel was packing for LSU this weekend when it hit him how far Baton Rouge was in comparison to South Bend, a three-hour drive, the source told Schad."


Really? He's from?Columbus, IN and it just dawned on him now how much further it was to Baton Rouge??

To be fair,?I don't know anything about the kid other than the fact he's supposed to be a very good prospect, and I hope he's making the right decision for himself and wish him all the best. But, really?

For what it's worth, I had completely missed the fact that he had de-committed from Indiana in the first place. That was originally looking to be a huge coup for Kevin Wilson. But with two QBs already in the Indiana program leaving, and no Kiel? Hmmm. They do already have one good young QB though, so they may be just fine.?

Tom


From michael.vance at att.net  Tue Jan 17 14:27:50 2012
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:27:50 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] ND Snags Top QB Recruit
In-Reply-To: <1326826639.37723.YahooMailNeo@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <8CEA35F174055DD-FC4-121C@webmail-m152.sysops.aol.com>
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A large part of Kiel's decommit from Indiana was the way that his big brother, Dusty, was treated. As a relatively impartial observer (an NU fan who happens to live in Indiana), my impression has been that the Kiel family is a bunch of whiners.

-Michael
Sent from my mobile device...

On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> wrote:

> "Kiel was packing for LSU this weekend when it hit him how far Baton Rouge was in comparison to South Bend, a three-hour drive, the source told Schad."
> 
> 
> Really? He's from Columbus, IN and it just dawned on him now how much further it was to Baton Rouge? 
> 
> To be fair, I don't know anything about the kid other than the fact he's supposed to be a very good prospect, and I hope he's making the right decision for himself and wish him all the best. But, really?
> 
> For what it's worth, I had completely missed the fact that he had de-committed from Indiana in the first place. That was originally looking to be a huge coup for Kevin Wilson. But with two QBs already in the Indiana program leaving, and no Kiel? Hmmm. They do already have one good young QB though, so they may be just fine. 
> 
> Tom
> 
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Tue Jan 17 14:50:14 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 12:50:14 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] ND Snags Top QB Recruit
In-Reply-To: <0AE2ACE3-FC9A-4097-ACCC-917B9AEB0230@att.net>
References: <8CEA35F174055DD-FC4-121C@webmail-m152.sysops.aol.com>
 <1326826639.37723.YahooMailNeo@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <0AE2ACE3-FC9A-4097-ACCC-917B9AEB0230@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAHChqvjg7r1rMu7Q_ca==GFciVy=9c5cW3g4_t9u8v1NveuvbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone remember Jimmy Clausen, who supposedly would become the greatest
quarterback in history when he committed to Notre Dame? The #1 recruit in
the nation, he announced his college committment in front of the College
Football Hall of Fame after arriving in a stretch Hummer. He never really
amounted to much at ND, had about a half of a decent season one year -- but
his untapped "potential" led the Carolina Panthers to draft him in the 2nd
round two years ago. Injuries made him a temporary starter for the 2010
Panthers team that went 2-14. The following offseason the Panthers drafted
Cam Newton and Clausen was made third-string.

Point being, no one thinks Gunner Kiel is anywhere near the talent Jimmy
Clausen was. Good luck, Notre Dame, with yet another whiny overconfident
QB.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>wrote:

> A large part of Kiel's decommit from Indiana was the way that his big
> brother, Dusty, was treated. As a relatively impartial observer (an NU fan
> who happens to live in Indiana), my impression has been that the Kiel
> family is a bunch of whiners.
>
> -Michael
> Sent from my mobile device...
>
> On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > "Kiel was packing for LSU this weekend when it hit him how far Baton
> Rouge was in comparison to South Bend, a three-hour drive, the source told
> Schad."
> >
> >
> > Really? He's from Columbus, IN and it just dawned on him now how much
> further it was to Baton Rouge?
> >
> > To be fair, I don't know anything about the kid other than the fact he's
> supposed to be a very good prospect, and I hope he's making the right
> decision for himself and wish him all the best. But, really?
> >
> > For what it's worth, I had completely missed the fact that he had
> de-committed from Indiana in the first place. That was originally looking
> to be a huge coup for Kevin Wilson. But with two QBs already in the Indiana
> program leaving, and no Kiel? Hmmm. They do already have one good young QB
> though, so they may be just fine.
> >
> > Tom
> >
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Jan 17 15:10:56 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 15:10:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] ND Snags Top QB Recruit
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvjg7r1rMu7Q_ca==GFciVy=9c5cW3g4_t9u8v1NveuvbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120117211056.6E59565204@romaine.tssi.com>

> Anyone remember Jimmy Clausen, who supposedly would become the greatest
> quarterback in history when he committed to Notre Dame? 

I remember Ron Powlus, the kid Beano Cook predicted would win
two Heismans at Notre Dame.

Personally, I'm willing to cut the kids a bit of slack,
probably more than some of them are willing to cut 
the schools they eventually sign with.  

These kids are under pressure and scruting that few of have us
ever had to deal with, at that age or since, and are touted by 
all sorts of 'experts' and told that they will be the second coming 
of 'fill in your favorite great player here'.

Then they show up on campus where they may quickly learn that 
they're not that great or important anymore.  

I stll recall Joe Montana saying that when he showed up
for his first practice at Notre Dame, he was something
like 14th on the QB depth chart.  (I wonder if any
of the 13 players above him made it to Canton?)  
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 17 20:04:01 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:04:01 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU
Message-ID: <363511082-1326852241-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-119904364-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

In a thriller Michigan got by MSU tonight by 1. First time in many years that Michigan has beaten MSU 3 x in a row.  I guess they still haven't recovered from the licking they took on Saturday

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From marks83588 at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 07:22:10 2012
From: marks83588 at aol.com (marks83588 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:22:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] ND Snags Top QB Recruit
In-Reply-To: <0AE2ACE3-FC9A-4097-ACCC-917B9AEB0230@att.net>
References: <8CEA35F174055DD-FC4-121C@webmail-m152.sysops.aol.com><1326826639.37723.YahooMailNeo@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <0AE2ACE3-FC9A-4097-ACCC-917B9AEB0230@att.net>
Message-ID: <8CEA3FB51352CE4-1B94-9F7C@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com>


<<As a relatively impartial observer (an NU fan who happens to 
live in Indiana), my impression has been that the Kiel family is a bunch of 
whiners.>>

Wonder how he will react the first time Kelly is screaming at him on the sidelines after he throws a poor pass....................will be fun to watch!




-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 3:28 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] ND Snags Top QB Recruit


A large part of Kiel's decommit from Indiana was the way that his big brother, 
usty, was treated. As a relatively impartial observer (an NU fan who happens to 
ive in Indiana), my impression has been that the Kiel family is a bunch of 
hiners.
-Michael
ent from my mobile device...
On Jan 17, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Kiel was packing for LSU this weekend when it hit him how far Baton Rouge was 
n comparison to South Bend, a three-hour drive, the source told Schad."
 
 
 Really? He's from Columbus, IN and it just dawned on him now how much further 
t was to Baton Rouge? 
 
 To be fair, I don't know anything about the kid other than the fact he's 
upposed to be a very good prospect, and I hope he's making the right decision 
or himself and wish him all the best. But, really?
 
 For what it's worth, I had completely missed the fact that he had de-committed 
rom Indiana in the first place. That was originally looking to be a huge coup 
or Kevin Wilson. But with two QBs already in the Indiana program leaving, and 
o Kiel? Hmmm. They do already have one good young QB though, so they may be 
ust fine. 
 
 Tom
 
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From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 11:31:09 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:31:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Hoops--The Quest for The Dance
Message-ID: <8CEA41E19CEFD6D-7B0-C408@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>

Good column in today's Trib about NU's "opportunity of lifetime", with cryptic comments at end about Carmody's job security:? http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0118-haugh-northwestern-basketball--20120118,0,4154901.column


From aaronsament at gmail.com  Wed Jan 18 11:53:00 2012
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:53:00 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Hoops--The Quest for The Dance
In-Reply-To: <8CEA41E19CEFD6D-7B0-C408@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEA41E19CEFD6D-7B0-C408@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <29F5B83B-10E5-4D8F-ACAA-B8CC304EA675@gmail.com>

Any update on today on whether Cobb or Marcotullio could play tonight or are both officially out?



On Jan 18, 2012, at 12:31 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Good column in today's Trib about NU's "opportunity of lifetime", with cryptic comments at end about Carmody's job security:? http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0118-haugh-northwestern-basketball--20120118,0,4154901.column
> 
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Jan 18 11:56:30 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:56:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Hoops--The Quest for The Dance
In-Reply-To: <29F5B83B-10E5-4D8F-ACAA-B8CC304EA675@gmail.com>
References: <8CEA41E19CEFD6D-7B0-C408@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>
 <29F5B83B-10E5-4D8F-ACAA-B8CC304EA675@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu66skEEaYAhAwf3=DgEOanNhtciU6-mdAPVbi-Azai06A@mail.gmail.com>

>From Greenstein in the Trib:

Marcotullio is out with the concussion sustained vs MSU
Cobb is doubtful (hip)
Freshman Mike Turner (6'8" from Chicago) may get his redshirt burned for
the game

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-01-17/sports/chi-nus-marcotullio-out-for-wisconsin-trip-20120117_1_wisconsin-shurna-davide-curletti

Jonathan

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On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any update on today on whether Cobb or Marcotullio could play tonight or
> are both officially out?
>
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2012, at 12:31 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Good column in today's Trib about NU's "opportunity of lifetime", with
> cryptic comments at end about Carmody's job security:?
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0118-haugh-northwestern-basketball--20120118,0,4154901.column
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 15:18:33 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:18:33 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Hoops--The Quest for The Dance
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu66skEEaYAhAwf3=DgEOanNhtciU6-mdAPVbi-Azai06A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CEA41E19CEFD6D-7B0-C408@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>
 <29F5B83B-10E5-4D8F-ACAA-B8CC304EA675@gmail.com>
 <CAAxRJu66skEEaYAhAwf3=DgEOanNhtciU6-mdAPVbi-Azai06A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1082585240-1326921515-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-285635370-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Hearing more rumblings about a 4 team BCS playoff field being contemplated 

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 12:56:30 
To: Aaron Ament<aaronsament at gmail.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Hoops--The Quest for The Dance

From Greenstein in the Trib:

Marcotullio is out with the concussion sustained vs MSU
Cobb is doubtful (hip)
Freshman Mike Turner (6'8" from Chicago) may get his redshirt burned for
the game

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-01-17/sports/chi-nus-marcotullio-out-for-wisconsin-trip-20120117_1_wisconsin-shurna-davide-curletti

Jonathan

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On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any update on today on whether Cobb or Marcotullio could play tonight or
> are both officially out?
>
>
>
> On Jan 18, 2012, at 12:31 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Good column in today's Trib about NU's "opportunity of lifetime", with
> cryptic comments at end about Carmody's job security:?
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/ct-spt-0118-haugh-northwestern-basketball--20120118,0,4154901.column
> >
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jan 18 20:12:27 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 02:12:27 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Hoops
Message-ID: <2119716813-1326939149-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1739857747-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Wow. 3 quick treys by Wisky and we are down 9-2 with less than 2 minutes gone
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Jan 18 20:53:04 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 21:53:04 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] First half @ Wisc
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F2300B@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Cats played a smart and sharp first half at both ends, with a couple of lapses.  NU didn't get discouraged when Badgers opened 3-3 on treys to go up 9-2. So many times, NU would fall apart in games like this, especially against Wisc.  Will be a real test of this team, shorthanded without Cobb and Marcotullio, to stay in this and pull out a big one.  Shurna/Crawford/Sobolewski have been up to the task so far.  Mirkovic seems to have lost any confidence he had on offense.  Curletti needs to avoid getting a third foul. :)  

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Jan 18 21:55:12 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 22:55:12 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugly 2d half
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F23016@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Like so many for NU against Wisconsin.  A mismatch and a rout.

Need to get healthy and bounce back.  Or else.

From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 18 22:00:50 2012
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:00:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugly 2d half
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F23016@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F23016@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <1326945650.1694.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Disappointing after a solid first half, but we got killed on the boards (and 
with the threes) in the second.

This game was a "freebie", but the loss makes Minnesota a "must win".? No way 
around it:? we need to win some games on the road.





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To: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, January 18, 2012 9:55:12 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugly 2d half

Like so many for NU against Wisconsin.? A mismatch and a rout.

Need to get healthy and bounce back.? Or else.
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 18 22:32:01 2012
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 20:32:01 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugly 2d half
Message-ID: <8415811.1326947521834.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

It was more than ugly. It was pathetic. It was disgraceful. We blow two games against Illinois and Michigan, then we win a big one against MSU and get all excited that this is the year. And then tonight. No, this is not the year.

I hope I'm wrong.

Jim B.

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>From: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>
>Sent: Jan 18, 2012 8:00 PM
>To: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>, "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ugly 2d half
>
>Disappointing after a solid first half, but we got killed on the boards (and 
>with the threes) in the second.
>
>This game was a "freebie", but the loss makes Minnesota a "must win".? No way 
>around it:? we need to win some games on the road.
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
>To: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Sent: Wed, January 18, 2012 9:55:12 PM
>Subject: [NU Sports] Ugly 2d half
>
>Like so many for NU against Wisconsin.? A mismatch and a rout.
>
>Need to get healthy and bounce back.? Or else.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 19 09:08:23 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:08:23 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] It is hard to win
Message-ID: <001601ccd6bc$30f4ff60$92defe20$@com>

When the other guy makes over half of his 3 pointers - 12 of 23 - and you only make 5 of
14.

Or you only take 45 shots, and they take 54, and make half of them.

And of course, I couldn't even listen on the radio since WIND is covered 100% in the DC
area.

rsl



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  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 19 09:13:54 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:13:54 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] It is also hard to win...
Message-ID: <000001ccd6bc$f5e2a9d0$e1a7fd70$@com>

When your bench only scores 1, and the other guys scored 17 - almost the margin of victory
for the Badgers.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Jan 19 09:20:00 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 10:20:00 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] It is also hard to win...
In-Reply-To: <000001ccd6bc$f5e2a9d0$e1a7fd70$@com>
References: <000001ccd6bc$f5e2a9d0$e1a7fd70$@com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu6nLRnw6x425RTOVWSHq3W46jTSULBc6EsT8fNS2Sx8yQ@mail.gmail.com>

It certainly doesn't help that NU's bench was reduced to 2 scholarship
players last night, one of which (Mirkovic) has seen his playing time
slashed given his general ineffectiveness as of late.  The 2 walk-ons who
were available played 17 minutes.

Wisconsin is known to be reliant on the 3 to score, and NU basically had to
go to the 1-3-1 with the status of their overall health, and that opened up
a ton of open looks from 3; that's why they won.

Hopefully NU can get healthy soon and get some more offensive contributions
outside of the top 2 guys.

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com
> wrote:

> When your bench only scores 1, and the other guys scored 17 - almost the
> margin of victory
> for the Badgers.
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan 19 10:00:21 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 11:00:21 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] It is also hard to win...
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu6nLRnw6x425RTOVWSHq3W46jTSULBc6EsT8fNS2Sx8yQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001ccd6bc$f5e2a9d0$e1a7fd70$@com>
 <CAAxRJu6nLRnw6x425RTOVWSHq3W46jTSULBc6EsT8fNS2Sx8yQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC22349E@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I agree.  

Tough road game in the best of circumstances.  When you have to play
with such a short bench, the second half began to resemble Gunga Din.  

If there is any good news to take from it, it is that most on this list
with season projections probably had this Wisky road game as a loss
anyway.  

There was some good news.

Our starting 5 in the first half with Curletti playing center was able
to contain Wisky and execute our offense well enough to build a little
lead. Also Nick Fruendt seemed to be able to hold his own defensively
while on the floor.  

The next big game on the schedule from a W-L perspective is our road
game at Minny on Sunday.  This is the next "must win" on the list.

On another note, UNL got a big win over Indiana yesterday.  Just another
example of how difficult it is to win on the road in this league.  Lots
of fun to watch the last couple of minutes.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:20 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] It is also hard to win...

It certainly doesn't help that NU's bench was reduced to 2 scholarship
players last night, one of which (Mirkovic) has seen his playing time
slashed given his general ineffectiveness as of late.  The 2 walk-ons
who
were available played 17 minutes.

Wisconsin is known to be reliant on the 3 to score, and NU basically had
to
go to the 1-3-1 with the status of their overall health, and that opened
up
a ton of open looks from 3; that's why they won.

Hopefully NU can get healthy soon and get some more offensive
contributions
outside of the top 2 guys.

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com
> wrote:

> When your bench only scores 1, and the other guys scored 17 - almost
the
> margin of victory
> for the Badgers.
>
> rsl
>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> --------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> =================================================
> There is nothing wrong with America that the faith,
> love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens
> cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ===========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Jan 20 07:43:11 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 08:43:11 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If only M.L. had fouled out vs NU,
 before Drew C's game-ending drive :)
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAA32@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Illinois' 7-foot-1 center Myers Leonard fouled out, so Penn State coach Patrick Chambers knew exactly what play to run off a timeout with 16 seconds left and the game on the line. Give the ball to point guard Tim Frazier and have him attack the basket. Nice plan. Frazier hit a floater in the lane with 8 seconds left and Jermaine Marshall blocked Sam Maniscalco's layup at the buzzer to give Penn State a 54-52 upset of No. 25 Illinois on Thursday night. Frazier finished with 12 points and nine assists for the Nittany Lions (10-10, 2-5 Big Ten), who ended a three-game losing skid.

From marks83588 at aol.com  Fri Jan 20 08:41:37 2012
From: marks83588 at aol.com (marks83588 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 09:41:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If only M.L. had fouled out vs NU,
 before Drew C's game-ending drive :)
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAA32@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAA32@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <8CEA598BFE1F7FF-1120-D8A0@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>

PSU played without two starters last night, Billy Oliver and someone else. So they managed to overcome a "short bench" and not lose by 20 unlike the Cats against UW. Course Illinois was playing before an almost empty gym last night instead of a packed house in Evanston with almost half of the place Illini supporters.............


-----Original Message-----
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To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:46 am
Subject: [NU Sports] If only M.L. had fouled out vs NU, before Drew C's game-ending drive :)


Illinois' 7-foot-1 center Myers Leonard fouled out, so Penn State coach Patrick 
hambers knew exactly what play to run off a timeout with 16 seconds left and 
he game on the line. Give the ball to point guard Tim Frazier and have him 
ttack the basket. Nice plan. Frazier hit a floater in the lane with 8 seconds 
eft and Jermaine Marshall blocked Sam Maniscalco's layup at the buzzer to give 
enn State a 54-52 upset of No. 25 Illinois on Thursday night. Frazier finished 
ith 12 points and nine assists for the Nittany Lions (10-10, 2-5 Big Ten), who 
nded a three-game losing skid.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Jan 20 09:02:24 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2012 10:02:24 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If only M.L. had fouled out vs NU,
	before Drew C's game-ending drive :)
In-Reply-To: <8CEA598BFE1F7FF-1120-D8A0@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAA32@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
 <8CEA598BFE1F7FF-1120-D8A0@webmail-m137.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC2235E5@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Just more evidence of how difficult it is to win on the road in this
league.

We just have to provide that same sort of "welcome" for the remaining
tough home games we've got against Michigan and OSU.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of marks83588 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 9:42 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If only M.L. had fouled out vs NU, before Drew
C's game-ending drive :)

PSU played without two starters last night, Billy Oliver and someone
else. So they managed to overcome a "short bench" and not lose by 20
unlike the Cats against UW. Course Illinois was playing before an almost
empty gym last night instead of a packed house in Evanston with almost
half of the place Illini supporters.............


-----Original Message-----
From: Weinbaum, Willie <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:46 am
Subject: [NU Sports] If only M.L. had fouled out vs NU, before Drew C's
game-ending drive :)


Illinois' 7-foot-1 center Myers Leonard fouled out, so Penn State coach
Patrick 
hambers knew exactly what play to run off a timeout with 16 seconds left
and 
he game on the line. Give the ball to point guard Tim Frazier and have
him 
ttack the basket. Nice plan. Frazier hit a floater in the lane with 8
seconds 
eft and Jermaine Marshall blocked Sam Maniscalco's layup at the buzzer
to give 
enn State a 54-52 upset of No. 25 Illinois on Thursday night. Frazier
finished 
ith 12 points and nine assists for the Nittany Lions (10-10, 2-5 Big
Ten), who 
nded a three-game losing skid.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan 21 15:52:32 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 16:52:32 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] I was excited about the Shrine game
Message-ID: <001a01ccd886$fb3fa010$f1bee030$@com>

Since Dan Persa was one of the QB's, but apparently he's only #3 on the QB depth chart.

Even the NIU guy started over the Big 10's most accurate? Passer.

And Netter is nowhere to be seen either.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Jan 21 16:22:37 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 17:22:37 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAAA6@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Came in for one play to take a knee to end first half.  Announcers said he'll likely start 2d half, as they chuckled about his limited duties in first half.

From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan 21 16:07:04 2012
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 14:07:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I was excited about the Shrine game
In-Reply-To: <001a01ccd886$fb3fa010$f1bee030$@com>
References: <001a01ccd886$fb3fa010$f1bee030$@com>
Message-ID: <1327183624.64566.YahooMailRC@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Tribune article about Dan and Al's evaluations as draft prospects...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0121-east-west-shrine--20120121,0,5657888.story


?



________________________________
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Sat, January 21, 2012 3:52:32 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] I was excited about the Shrine game

Since Dan Persa was one of the QB's, but apparently he's only #3 on the QB depth 
chart.

Even the NIU guy started over the Big 10's most accurate? Passer.

And Netter is nowhere to be seen either.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
? Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========



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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sat Jan 21 20:43:34 2012
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Chuck Herron)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 21:43:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno
Message-ID: <8CEA6C6C5082D23-2268-130D6@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com>

Just got notice on my phone that Joe Paterno passed this evening.


Chuck Herron   Tech '85

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Jan 21 20:46:40 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 02:46:40 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno
Message-ID: <527387644-1327200402-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1188096469-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Thanks.  A shame in retrospect for him that he didn't pass 3 months earlier and could have died a lot happier

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Chuck Herron
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno
Sent: Jan 21, 2012 6:43 PM

Just got notice on my phone that Joe Paterno passed this evening.


Chuck Herron   Tech '85
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From cdueltgen at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sat Jan 21 21:19:41 2012
From: cdueltgen at alumni.northwestern.edu (Cynthia Dueltgen)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 19:19:41 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno
In-Reply-To: <8CEA6C6C5082D23-2268-130D6@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEA6C6C5082D23-2268-130D6@webmail-d076.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CA+AhkEkyeqVGmBhmT+Cc73xJ31n=4vZzDjrVtZWXzM0V2zbNUw@mail.gmail.com>

Apparently not dead yet. Both Jay and Scott Paterno have tweeted that
he's still with us. A bunch of news outlets picked up an unconfirmed
report and repeated it. Oops.

http://1045theteam.com/penn-state-coaching-legend-joe-paterno-has-died-not-yet/

-Cynthia

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Herron <cherron604 at aol.com> wrote:
> Just got notice on my phone that Joe Paterno passed this evening.
>
>
> Chuck Herron ? Tech '85
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Jan 21 23:20:47 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:20:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno
In-Reply-To: <CA+AhkEkyeqVGmBhmT+Cc73xJ31n=4vZzDjrVtZWXzM0V2zbNUw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120122052048.22CAF65569@romaine.tssi.com>

He is, however, said to be in serious condition.
--
Mike Nolan


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Jan 22 09:39:22 2012
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 10:39:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno
Message-ID: <12208.6775ef02.3c4d87aa@aol.com>

dead serious, I can't feel sorry for him or his family given the nature of  
his downfall

From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan 22 11:48:24 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 12:48:24 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno
References: <12208.6775ef02.3c4d87aa@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9C0BCD897D0F4A28A8493FA18191EF6E@dennismachine>

I had a aunt who was active into her 86th year.  Always an upbeat person, 
she was, always positive, always living a moral life.  She had nursed her 
husband through a lengthy demise with Altzheimer's until his death finally 
freed her to live the rest of her life unburdened.  One day, she could a 
full laundry basket up the cellar stares without breathing hard.  The next 
day - literally - she could not move her legs.  Cancer got her and overnight 
destroyed all functionality to her lower extremities.  No pain; she just 
couldn't stand or walk anymore.  After a few weeks of treatment revealed 
that she would be forever wheelchair-bound, all spirit vanished from her.  I 
tried to cheer her, to see a spark of her old self, but she told me in a 
defeated voice I had never heard her use, "I just want to die."  A month 
later, she got her wish.  The official cause of death was cancer.  The real 
cause was that she had simply given up the desire to live.

JoePa gave up living too.  All that he had been was stripped from him 
overnight and ignominy put it its place.  For six decades he was a man to be 
admired.  He ran a clean program, and his players had damned well go to 
class.  I know.  I have a friend who was one of his linebackers.  JoePa 
accomplished his mission.  Penn State is the only Big Ten university to 
match Northwestern's graduation rate and has consistently been 
head-and-shoulders above other state universities.  He brooked no nonsense 
from his players and swiftly dealt with issues when they arose, and there 
was never a whiff of scandal surrounding the program.  Then, suddenly, he 
was a pariah.  It didn't matter that JoePa had broken no laws.  Indeed, he 
had followed them to the letter.  It didn't matter that nothing in his past 
ever hinted that he would tolerate what Sandusky allegedly had done.  And, 
of course, Sandusky has been convicted of nothing to this point, guily as he 
looks in the press.

The holier-than-thous so perfect that they throw stones with a clear 
conscience have gotten their wish.  JoePa is dead, and they killed him as 
surely as if they had shot him in the head.  I hope they enjoy his absence. 
The rest of the world won't.

 


From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Jan 22 12:05:37 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:05:37 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno
In-Reply-To: <9C0BCD897D0F4A28A8493FA18191EF6E@dennismachine>
References: <12208.6775ef02.3c4d87aa@aol.com>
 <9C0BCD897D0F4A28A8493FA18191EF6E@dennismachine>
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Well I do feel for him and his family but it is a jump to conclusions that he would be alive today were it not for the scandal and subsequent responses. He sure  would have had the cancer. Whether he gave up fighting it because of the aftermath of the various revelations, and whether that shortened his life is something that I don't think anyone of us will know unless we hear from his family (or doctors) that they agree or disagree with that assessment and then that alone wouldn't validate it or not

Harry
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Paterno

I had a aunt who was active into her 86th year.  Always an upbeat person, 
she was, always positive, always living a moral life.  She had nursed her 
husband through a lengthy demise with Altzheimer's until his death finally 
freed her to live the rest of her life unburdened.  One day, she could a 
full laundry basket up the cellar stares without breathing hard.  The next 
day - literally - she could not move her legs.  Cancer got her and overnight 
destroyed all functionality to her lower extremities.  No pain; she just 
couldn't stand or walk anymore.  After a few weeks of treatment revealed 
that she would be forever wheelchair-bound, all spirit vanished from her.  I 
tried to cheer her, to see a spark of her old self, but she told me in a 
defeated voice I had never heard her use, "I just want to die."  A month 
later, she got her wish.  The official cause of death was cancer.  The real 
cause was that she had simply given up the desire to live.

JoePa gave up living too.  All that he had been was stripped from him 
overnight and ignominy put it its place.  For six decades he was a man to be 
admired.  He ran a clean program, and his players had damned well go to 
class.  I know.  I have a friend who was one of his linebackers.  JoePa 
accomplished his mission.  Penn State is the only Big Ten university to 
match Northwestern's graduation rate and has consistently been 
head-and-shoulders above other state universities.  He brooked no nonsense 
from his players and swiftly dealt with issues when they arose, and there 
was never a whiff of scandal surrounding the program.  Then, suddenly, he 
was a pariah.  It didn't matter that JoePa had broken no laws.  Indeed, he 
had followed them to the letter.  It didn't matter that nothing in his past 
ever hinted that he would tolerate what Sandusky allegedly had done.  And, 
of course, Sandusky has been convicted of nothing to this point, guily as he 
looks in the press.

The holier-than-thous so perfect that they throw stones with a clear 
conscience have gotten their wish.  JoePa is dead, and they killed him as 
surely as if they had shot him in the head.  I hope they enjoy his absence. 
The rest of the world won't.

 

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Jan 22 12:19:31 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 13:19:31 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno
In-Reply-To: <9C0BCD897D0F4A28A8493FA18191EF6E@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAACE@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

With all due respect and with mostly admiration for Joe Paterno's body of work and impact, HE said he regretted his inaction about Sandusky.  Perhaps he was wracked with guilt and sadness, rather than bitterness and blame of others, as he coped with a relentless disease.  

As for how he handled players' transgressions, there is extensive evidence that he and his program knew of and tolerated numerous sordid episodes without redressing wrongs in a meaningful way.

As with anybody, there are many aspects to Paterno's life.  He exemplified magnanimity and had a profound and wonderful effect on people and institutions, but that's not the whole story.  And recognizing and discussing perceived mistakes and misjudgments isn't evil, it's enlightening and educational.  Two aims I believe the late Mr. Paterno would endorse.

As a journalist, a consumer and someone who met Paterno a couple of times, I'd like to see news outlets do a strong job of providing perspective and thorough reporting about Paterno.  Those are the same attributes I'd like to see in the reporting of any subject.  We should neither build people up as saints nor bring 'em down with inhumane glee.

The reporting, like the people covered, is usually far from perfect.   

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Paterno

I had a aunt who was active into her 86th year.  Always an upbeat person,
she was, always positive, always living a moral life.  She had nursed her
husband through a lengthy demise with Altzheimer's until his death finally
freed her to live the rest of her life unburdened.  One day, she could a
full laundry basket up the cellar stares without breathing hard.  The next
day - literally - she could not move her legs.  Cancer got her and overnight
destroyed all functionality to her lower extremities.  No pain; she just
couldn't stand or walk anymore.  After a few weeks of treatment revealed
that she would be forever wheelchair-bound, all spirit vanished from her.  I
tried to cheer her, to see a spark of her old self, but she told me in a
defeated voice I had never heard her use, "I just want to die."  A month
later, she got her wish.  The official cause of death was cancer.  The real
cause was that she had simply given up the desire to live.

JoePa gave up living too.  All that he had been was stripped from him
overnight and ignominy put it its place.  For six decades he was a man to be
admired.  He ran a clean program, and his players had damned well go to
class.  I know.  I have a friend who was one of his linebackers.  JoePa
accomplished his mission.  Penn State is the only Big Ten university to
match Northwestern's graduation rate and has consistently been
head-and-shoulders above other state universities.  He brooked no nonsense
from his players and swiftly dealt with issues when they arose, and there
was never a whiff of scandal surrounding the program.  Then, suddenly, he
was a pariah.  It didn't matter that JoePa had broken no laws.  Indeed, he
had followed them to the letter.  It didn't matter that nothing in his past
ever hinted that he would tolerate what Sandusky allegedly had done.  And,
of course, Sandusky has been convicted of nothing to this point, guily as he
looks in the press.

The holier-than-thous so perfect that they throw stones with a clear
conscience have gotten their wish.  JoePa is dead, and they killed him as
surely as if they had shot him in the head.  I hope they enjoy his absence.
The rest of the world won't.



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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Jan 22 15:17:31 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 15:17:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAACE@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <20120122211731.56299652D4@romaine.tssi.com>

The earlier reports did not identify the type of lung cancer he had,
just that it was treatable, now they are saying it was small cell 
carcinoma.

That's the fastest growing form, one of the least treatable, and one 
that is very likely to spread.  (And almost always attributable to smoking.)

Had he been diagnosed a year or more ago, it might have been more treatable.

I've lost two relatives (both smokers) to lung cancer, one died less than 
a month after her condition was first discovered, by which time it had 
already spread to her brain.  

I suspect Joe's cancer had already spread by the time it was diagnosed,
too.  

This is not a day to be righteous or joyous, just sad.
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Jan 22 15:27:26 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:27:26 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Gophers
Message-ID: <1022247611-1327267579-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-328344308-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Anybody watching this "travesty of a mockery of a sham", to quote Woody
Allen.  NU is 0 for 14, but now finally scored.  11-2--UGLY!!!!

On another noye, Mike hit it right on the head about JoePa.

Paul Levinson
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Paterno
Sent: Jan 22, 2012 4:17 PM

The earlier reports did not identify the type of lung cancer he had,
just that it was treatable, now they are saying it was small cell 
carcinoma.

That's the fastest growing form, one of the least treatable, and one 
that is very likely to spread.  (And almost always attributable to smoking.)

Had he been diagnosed a year or more ago, it might have been more treatable.

I've lost two relatives (both smokers) to lung cancer, one died less than 
a month after her condition was first discovered, by which time it had 
already spread to her brain.  

I suspect Joe's cancer had already spread by the time it was diagnosed,
too.  

This is not a day to be righteous or joyous, just sad.
--
Mike Nolan

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan 22 15:36:54 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:36:54 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] You know that team that played against Wiscy?
Message-ID: <000001ccd94d$f6695870$e33c0950$@com>

There's back in Minny right now.

rsl

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Jan 22 15:47:40 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:47:40 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] You know that team that played against Wiscy?
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I have never joined the anti-Carmody crowd, but at some point you have to seriously wonder whether a coach whose teams don't just lose on the road, but collapse. Is doing the job.  What kind of team-buliding is going on?  They come out flat and don't hang together.
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Subject: [NU Sports] You know that team that played against Wiscy?

There's back in Minny right now.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Jan 22 15:58:32 2012
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:58:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] You know that team that played against Wiscy?
Message-ID: <29725.33b96cb3.3c4de088@aol.com>

I have never joined the anti-Carmody crowd,
 
I just did, fire that nerd

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Jan 22 15:58:03 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 16:58:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] On this football day
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAAE2@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

I regret watching NU basketball...
Gophers entered a touchdown favorite at home and the ice cold Cats went the first seven+ minutes before making a field goal and started 1-6 at the foul line (three Shurna and two Crawford misses) in trailing by scores like:

11-0
21-4
30-9

Myriad mental and physical mistakes from an NU team that looked like a Division III squad against a Division I team.   Hard to fathom or stomach such uninspired and inept play vs. a team that NU beat twice last year and should be well-matched against.  And it sure didn't look to be a case of Minnesota playing especially well as much as the Cats putting on a putrid performance rife with inexcusable turnovers, cockeyed shooting and defensive indifference.

The Cats, sparked by Marcotullio, played a bit better late - - maybe they couldn't play worse.  But Crawford has three losses.  The BTN announcer said the Cats were "only down by 15" after trailing by 22.  Half mercifully over with NU down 41-24.


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 22 16:02:28 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:02:28 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Gophers
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I don't recall a shooting performance this bad. Missing in the paint, midrange shots, from 3, and at the line. Just brutal. And then after a while you could see them lose confidence and focus as a result. That's when the D started falling apart.

The technical foul summed it up...a chance to score 4 or 5, and they got zero. Ugh.

Tom 
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Anybody watching this "travesty of a mockery of a sham", to quote Woody
Allen.  NU is 0 for 14, but now finally scored.  11-2--UGLY!!!!

On another noye, Mike hit it right on the head about JoePa.

Paul Levinson
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Sent: Jan 22, 2012 4:17 PM

The earlier reports did not identify the type of lung cancer he had,
just that it was treatable, now they are saying it was small cell 
carcinoma.

That's the fastest growing form, one of the least treatable, and one 
that is very likely to spread.  (And almost always attributable to smoking.)

Had he been diagnosed a year or more ago, it might have been more treatable.

I've lost two relatives (both smokers) to lung cancer, one died less than 
a month after her condition was first discovered, by which time it had 
already spread to her brain.  

I suspect Joe's cancer had already spread by the time it was diagnosed,
too.  

This is not a day to be righteous or joyous, just sad.
--
Mike Nolan

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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 22 16:26:45 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 22:26:45 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Same old same old from basketball
Message-ID: <1623689034-1327271206-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1313372671-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

Why does anybody expect any different? Years and years of the same nonsense. The occasional nice win followed brutal losses, usually on the road. No consistency at all, no ability to rally on the road.

I am not surprised at the ineptitude, I am just surprised that anybody is surprised. 

Good teams do what Wisconsin did today -- find a way to rally in the second half and win a road game over a ranked foe (Illinois). 

Bad teams do what NU is doing now. 3-for-8 from the line? Bad high school girls teams would do better. 

Brad Wilson
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sun Jan 22 20:29:38 2012
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2012 21:29:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Same old same old from basketball
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Hey Brad!  No way a lousy girls team shoots 3-8 from the FT line.  As an ex-coach of my daughter's rec league team that went 1-9, we averaged 50%!   So, Mister, take that rude comment back.  In fact, my daughter scored 7 points all season, was 1-2 from the free throw stripe.

Cheez Brad, I've rarely read a post that was more correct. A win followed by too many brain-numbing losses.  

I will try to explain, but even I have to take my words with a grain of salt.  

I knew this season got tougher when it was known that Jershon Cobb was having issues.  I figured he'd pick up some of the slack left by Juice's departure. He's an athletic game-changer, even as "the 6th man". Injuries to Marcotullio and Tre Demps haven't helped.  Mirk's regression has been a disappointment, as well as Fruendt's inability to reward Carmody's attempt to give him meaningful minutes.

With that said, we started 2-4 when I thought we needed 3-3.  The next 5, I felt we needed to go 3-2. I still think if we can get to 5-6 in conference, we'll have a chance.  Obviously, a loss to Minnesota means a must win against Purdue.  Not many people were expecting a win against Michigan St., so there is hope.  A loss vs. Purdue means we need to win as many games as possible and qualify for the NIT.  

As far as next year, losing Shurna won't help, but Demps and red-shirt Turner with Curletti, Hearn, Crawford and Sobe leaves the cupboard far from bare.  We also have a tranfer from TCU at center, but one must wonder how much a tranfer from TCU will help; our tranfers in the past have been duds.

If we don't make the NCAA's, I'm hoping his future will be determined by who he's bringing in, or not bringing in.  His new assistant Fred Hill has ties to New York, New Jersey and Philly.  Tavaras Hardy has landed players from Chicagoland; Turner and Sobe come to mind.  If we have good recruits coming in (hopefully a center) and make the NIT, then I will say the unpopular thing: extend BC's contract.  The thing I can't get out of my head  is the injuries to the players I figured would help us.

But we have to show up between now and the end of February.  If we lay down, BC's contract shouldn't be extended.  Let's see what happens bewteen now and the end of the season.

  GO CATS!!!    Eric




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Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 5:27 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Same old same old from basketball


Why does anybody expect any different? Years and years of the same nonsense. The 
ccasional nice win followed brutal losses, usually on the road. No consistency 
t all, no ability to rally on the road.
I am not surprised at the ineptitude, I am just surprised that anybody is 
urprised. 
Good teams do what Wisconsin did today -- find a way to rally in the second half 
nd win a road game over a ranked foe (Illinois). 
Bad teams do what NU is doing now. 3-for-8 from the line? Bad high school girls 
eams would do better. 
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From marks83588 at aol.com  Mon Jan 23 06:16:12 2012
From: marks83588 at aol.com (marks83588 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:16:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno
In-Reply-To: <9C0BCD897D0F4A28A8493FA18191EF6E@dennismachine>
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Great note, Dennis. I rarely agre with your point of view but in this case couldn't agree more. No one is perfect, nto even Paterno, but he did far more good in his life than bad and it is sad to see his demise.



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Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Paterno


I had a aunt who was active into her 86th year.  Always an upbeat person, 
he was, always positive, always living a moral life.  She had nursed her 
usband through a lengthy demise with Altzheimer's until his death finally 
reed her to live the rest of her life unburdened.  One day, she could a 
ull laundry basket up the cellar stares without breathing hard.  The next 
ay - literally - she could not move her legs.  Cancer got her and overnight 
estroyed all functionality to her lower extremities.  No pain; she just 
ouldn't stand or walk anymore.  After a few weeks of treatment revealed 
hat she would be forever wheelchair-bound, all spirit vanished from her.  I 
ried to cheer her, to see a spark of her old self, but she told me in a 
efeated voice I had never heard her use, "I just want to die."  A month 
ater, she got her wish.  The official cause of death was cancer.  The real 
ause was that she had simply given up the desire to live.
JoePa gave up living too.  All that he had been was stripped from him 
vernight and ignominy put it its place.  For six decades he was a man to be 
dmired.  He ran a clean program, and his players had damned well go to 
lass.  I know.  I have a friend who was one of his linebackers.  JoePa 
ccomplished his mission.  Penn State is the only Big Ten university to 
atch Northwestern's graduation rate and has consistently been 
ead-and-shoulders above other state universities.  He brooked no nonsense 
rom his players and swiftly dealt with issues when they arose, and there 
as never a whiff of scandal surrounding the program.  Then, suddenly, he 
as a pariah.  It didn't matter that JoePa had broken no laws.  Indeed, he 
ad followed them to the letter.  It didn't matter that nothing in his past 
ver hinted that he would tolerate what Sandusky allegedly had done.  And, 
f course, Sandusky has been convicted of nothing to this point, guily as he 
ooks in the press.
The holier-than-thous so perfect that they throw stones with a clear 
onscience have gotten their wish.  JoePa is dead, and they killed him as 
urely as if they had shot him in the head.  I hope they enjoy his absence. 
he rest of the world won't.
 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan 23 06:59:31 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:59:31 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Ya Think?
Message-ID: <000201ccd9ce$d9abd830$8d038890$@com>

That the game at home Saturday against Perdue counts as a "must win?"

I never heard anyone so down on the Cats' performance as Shon Morris was during the game
Sunday. HE sure sounded embarrassed for his Alma Mater.

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
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love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Jan 23 07:08:26 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 08:08:26 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Ya Think?
In-Reply-To: <000201ccd9ce$d9abd830$8d038890$@com>
References: <000201ccd9ce$d9abd830$8d038890$@com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC332D09@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

The road to 20 wins got much harder.

These are smart kids.

They knew what the Minny game meant too.

Unfortunately it appears that they came out tight and then just packed it in.

Too bad.

I agree with others that the coaching staff has to take responsibility for these sorts of performances.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:00 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Ya Think?

That the game at home Saturday against Perdue counts as a "must win?"

I never heard anyone so down on the Cats' performance as Shon Morris was during the game
Sunday. HE sure sounded embarrassed for his Alma Mater.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Jan 23 09:16:38 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 10:16:38 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: thought-provoking column on Paterno
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAB01@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://bit.ly/zxfDMN


From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 23 09:47:47 2012
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 07:47:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Ya Think?
In-Reply-To: <000201ccd9ce$d9abd830$8d038890$@com>
References: <000201ccd9ce$d9abd830$8d038890$@com>
Message-ID: <1327333667.91000.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I agree.? I've never heard Shon as (legitimately) critical of the Cats as he was 
on Sunday.

The problem is that we are running out of "must win" games, and we aren't 
winning them.? To get to 9-9 in the BT (which would probably only put us on the 
bubble), we need to go 7-4 the rest of the season.? That's a very tall order 
with only 6 games at home remaining, including one against tOSU.? Historically, 
and this year, Cats teams haven't shown the ability to win on the road.

Unfortunately, right now we're just fighting to stay out of the BT cellar!




________________________________
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Mon, January 23, 2012 6:59:31 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] Ya Think?

That the game at home Saturday against Perdue counts as a "must win?"

I never heard anyone so down on the Cats' performance as Shon Morris was during 
the game
Sunday. HE sure sounded embarrassed for his Alma Mater.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
? Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Jan 23 15:00:46 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:00:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: thought-provoking column on Paterno
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAB01@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <20120123210046.5D1ED6550E@romaine.tssi.com>

I'm not sure the article is correct when it says that former Penn State president 
Graham Spanier is under indictment, unless that's happened in the past few weeks.
--
Mike Nolan



From thiegs at umn.edu  Mon Jan 23 15:18:30 2012
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:18:30 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: thought-provoking column on Paterno
In-Reply-To: <20120123210046.5D1ED6550E@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAB01@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
 <20120123210046.5D1ED6550E@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <CAFRy6pEV0k7NTshYZjN4um56HZDuwk6g_Aw20AchpK2foh3=eg@mail.gmail.com>

No, and as far as I heard he didn't go to the police (one of the
criticisms) either, which this columnist says he did.  Here is another
piece I read today that seemed rather a thoughtful reflection, written by a
professor of philosophy who is a former D-III assistant football coach:

The Integrity and Ignominy of Joe Paterno
http://chronicle.com/article/The-IntegrityIgnominy-of/130435/

-Joe


On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure the article is correct when it says that former Penn State
> president
> Graham Spanier is under indictment, unless that's happened in the past few
> weeks.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
>
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Jan 23 15:48:59 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 16:48:59 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: thought-provoking column on Paterno
In-Reply-To: <20120123210046.5D1ED6550E@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAB2A@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Incorrect in article.  Two were indicted for perjury - - neither of them was the president.

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 04:00 PM
To: Weinbaum, Willie
Cc: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] FW: thought-provoking column on Paterno

I'm not sure the article is correct when it says that former Penn State president
Graham Spanier is under indictment, unless that's happened in the past few weeks.
--
Mike Nolan



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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 23 21:41:17 2012
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:41:17 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] Our basketball team's savior: Abrahamson
Message-ID: <23732570.1327376478063.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Tough to say if our basketball team will get it together enough to finally make it to the tournament. But if we don't get in this year, the future looks bright. All because of Abrahamson.

A great writer. A loyal Cats supporter. Family man. Important contributor to this list. 

And a new freshman on our basketball team next year.

Alan Abrahamson, Kale Abrahamson, it's all good.

Jim B.


From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 23 21:52:39 2012
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 19:52:39 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Our basketball team's savior: Abrahamson
In-Reply-To: <23732570.1327376478063.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <23732570.1327376478063.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAN7senjvNJEz8NJ6sa2BrBwo7-nLFLeKVvmQmHWS6OpUvjvpUw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, thank you so much, Mr. Jim Bendat, for that lovely introduction.
Much obliged.

So let's get this out of the way:

We are not related, Mr. Kale Abrahamson and I. At least not that I know of.
Not unless his grandmother was also from Hammond, Ind., and was crazy as a
loon. But I digress.

Allow me to note, however: If Kale starts going for 30 and 10 per night,
you can bet I'm going to start claiming immediately that he's a distant
second cousin, and hitting him up for the good seats at the first-round
NCAA playoff game :)

Go Cats!

Alan


On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:41 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Tough to say if our basketball team will get it together enough to finally
> make it to the tournament. But if we don't get in this year, the future
> looks bright. All because of Abrahamson.
>
> A great writer. A loyal Cats supporter. Family man. Important contributor
> to this list.
>
> And a new freshman on our basketball team next year.
>
> Alan Abrahamson, Kale Abrahamson, it's all good.
>
> Jim B.
>
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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Jan 26 14:01:01 2012
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 14:01:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Changes in bowls coming?
Message-ID: <20120126200101.BBFEA655BF@romaine.tssi.com>

This article suggests that there may be a movement to require 7 wins for bowl
eligiblity, possibly as soon as 2014.  

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16996317/growing-belief-seven-wins-should-be-magic-number-for-bowl-eligibility

This could result in a half-dozen or more bowls going away.

Buried towards the bottom of the article is the suggestion that the NCAA
should allow all teams to have December practices, not just bowl-bound teams.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 26 16:10:57 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2012 17:10:57 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Changes in bowls coming?
In-Reply-To: <20120126200101.BBFEA655BF@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20120126200101.BBFEA655BF@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <000b01ccdc77$624ca1b0$26e5e510$@com>

Besides the fact that appears aimed at both the Big 10 (12) and the SEC....

Having a winning record is probably a good thing, altho it could potentially cut down our
(NU's) bowling. Maybe it would help us win one, however, since a 7-5 team coming out of
the Big 10 would be playing a more closely matched team from somewhere else.

You mean we wouldn't have the Papa John's Vegetarian Pizza Bowl any more? Or the Stihl
Chainsaw Humanitarian Bowl?

Yes, the NCAA should allow December (or early January) practices to level the field a bit.
My only concern are the players who are hurt at the end of the season. There might be a
tendency for underclassmen who are dinged up from the season, to practice when they should
be mending. A kid who is hurting might needlessly strain an injury in an attempt to
maintain his position going into the Spring Drills.

But as long as teams use the December Bowl workups to actually train next year's starters,
fairness dictates that either they reduce the number of those pre-bowl practices, force
the teams to work on their starters the same as they would during the regular season, or
let everyone have the December practices.

IMHO of course.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2012 3:01 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Changes in bowls coming?

This article suggests that there may be a movement to require 7 wins for bowl eligiblity,
possibly as soon as 2014.  

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16996317/growing-belief-seven-wins-should-b
e-magic-number-for-bowl-eligibility

This could result in a half-dozen or more bowls going away.

Buried towards the bottom of the article is the suggestion that the NCAA should allow all
teams to have December practices, not just bowl-bound teams.
--
Mike Nolan

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Jan 28 15:49:11 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 16:49:11 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Hard to watch
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAC67@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Against many of the teams on NU's schedule, the Cats would be getting blown out with how they've played so far today.  But PU-NU is an ugly and close game with incompetent offense so far.   NU's poor foul shooting and numerous unfathomable turnovers are two key reasons the Cats trail 26-22 @ halftime.  A buzzer-beater trey for PU hurt, from a guy who hasn't hit many.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan 28 16:12:15 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:12:15 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Got a speedemup game going
Message-ID: <005701ccde09$e58fa4d0$b0aeee70$@com>

Does PU have an offensive set? Or do they just drive the basket.

And what's with all the NU turnovers.

rsl

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Jan 28 16:12:30 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:12:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Big football recruiting news
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAC6E@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Just announced on NU hoops telecast that Kyle Prater is transferring to NU from USC.

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Jan 28 16:11:07 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:11:07 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Hard to watch
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAC67@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC14493F@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Game may be hard to watch, but announcers just shared that Kyle Prater is transfering to NU.
 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-northwestern-lands-wr-transfer-kyle-prater-20120128,0,4062983.story <http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-northwestern-lands-wr-transfer-kyle-prater-20120128,0,4062983.story> 
 
So there is some joy in mudville even if our BBall team strikes out.
 
Jeff

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Sat 1/28/2012 4:49 PM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] Hard to watch



Against many of the teams on NU's schedule, the Cats would be getting blown out with how they've played so far today.  But PU-NU is an ugly and close game with incompetent offense so far.   NU's poor foul shooting and numerous unfathomable turnovers are two key reasons the Cats trail 26-22 @ halftime.  A buzzer-beater trey for PU hurt, from a guy who hasn't hit many.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 28 16:18:00 2012
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:18:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Big football recruiting news
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAC6E@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAC6E@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <1327789080.67646.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Great news for Coach Fitz ... can't wait to see Kyle Prater and Christian Jones line up together in the passing game.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
To: "'nwu-sports at tssi.com'" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 3:12 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Big football recruiting news
 
Just announced on NU hoops telecast that Kyle Prater is transferring to NU from USC.
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Jan 28 17:13:27 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 23:13:27 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Big football recruiting news
In-Reply-To: <1327789080.67646.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAC6E@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
 <1327789080.67646.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1132037925-1327792409-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-188566182-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Did SC call in his parents mortgage ?

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:18:00 
To: Weinbaum, Willie<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big football recruiting news

Great news for Coach Fitz ... can't wait to see Kyle Prater and Christian Jones line up together in the passing game.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
To: "'nwu-sports at tssi.com'" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 3:12 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Big football recruiting news
 
Just announced on NU hoops telecast that Kyle Prater is transferring to NU from USC.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Jan 28 17:45:58 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:45:58 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Big football recruiting news
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CAC6E@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
 <1327789080.67646.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BC35EE350D704ACD8B1AA03A2A082D53@dennismachine>

<Great news for Coach Fitz ... can't wait to see Kyle Prater and Christian 
Jones line up together in the passing game.

As the old Negro spiritual goes (sort of), "Gonna take that ball to the 
endzone.  Ain't a that good news." 


From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Jan 28 19:01:17 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 20:01:17 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Sigh
Message-ID: <72B23C18B431436DA6DE32C210924F24@dennismachine>

Pucker up and kiss the NCAAs goodbye for another year.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan 28 20:20:15 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 21:20:15 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Davide or Luka?
Message-ID: <001801ccde2c$8a6cb890$9f4629b0$@com>

Interesting discussion during the game about Luka not playing at all and how the Cats miss
him inside, etc. etc....

I thought Luka had pretty well lost his starting position due to inconsistent play and
Davide had won the battle for the #5, at least for the time being.

But the announcers were hinting that Luka is considered the better inside guy in the
Princeton and Davide just isn't a starter, etc.

So what is the answer?

Luka had a big old boot on his left foot, suggesting that he's not going to be playing for
a while.

The Cats need a big guy who can shoot from outside. We lose Shurna next year, are the two
frosh going to be the guys who pull us over the top?

rsl  

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Jan 29 13:20:50 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:20:50 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: commentary on Otto Graham
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301468CACA4@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Bob Ryan of the Boston Globe said on the ESPN Sports Reporters show today that (NU's) Otto Graham should not be forgotten in the discussion of the greatest QB in NFL history.  Here's a link to the video:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7515957

From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan 29 15:36:49 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:36:49 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
Message-ID: <9BDDC45F49C74513B1B73B1DCD66D809@dennismachine>

All-Time Cat Football Team



Offense

 

QB - Dan Persa

RB - Damien Anderson

FB - Matt Hartl

WR - D'Wayne Bates, Jeremy Ebert

TE - Drake Dunsmore

OT - Chris Hinton & Zach Strief

OG - Matt O'Dwyer & Trai Essex

C - Jack Rudnay

 

Defense

 

DE - Corey Wooten, Casey Dailey

DT - Luis Castillo, Barry Cofield

OLB - Kevin Bentley, Napoleon Harris

MLB - Pat Fitzgerald

CB - Sherrick McManis, Hudhaifa Ismaeli

SS - Brad Philips

FS - Chris Martin

 

Special teams

 

P - John Kidd

PK - Tony Long

KR - Brian Musso

ST headhunter - Steve Tasker

 

Coach - Ara Parseghian



The center and free safety positions gave me the most trouble.  Let's face it.  We haven't had many outstanding players at either position.  Wide receiver gave me trouble because we've had a number of worthy candidates over the years such as Flatley, Gissendaner, Buchanan, Simmons, Lane, and Brewer.  I deliberately avoided calling on older players because they played in a different era and were smaller.  Jack Rudnay was the exception because he was the one NU center I could recall who was considered outstanding.  By the way, there is a heart breaking article on Rudnay at http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=230223.

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Jan 29 15:40:01 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:40:01 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
In-Reply-To: <9BDDC45F49C74513B1B73B1DCD66D809@dennismachine>
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Tough to leave Otto off in spite of old timer reasons.  The best pro in my mind was Tasker.  Some have considered him the greatest special team player of all time

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over

All-Time Cat Football Team



Offense

 

QB - Dan Persa

RB - Damien Anderson

FB - Matt Hartl

WR - D'Wayne Bates, Jeremy Ebert

TE - Drake Dunsmore

OT - Chris Hinton & Zach Strief

OG - Matt O'Dwyer & Trai Essex

C - Jack Rudnay

 

Defense

 

DE - Corey Wooten, Casey Dailey

DT - Luis Castillo, Barry Cofield

OLB - Kevin Bentley, Napoleon Harris

MLB - Pat Fitzgerald

CB - Sherrick McManis, Hudhaifa Ismaeli

SS - Brad Philips

FS - Chris Martin

 

Special teams

 

P - John Kidd

PK - Tony Long

KR - Brian Musso

ST headhunter - Steve Tasker

 

Coach - Ara Parseghian



The center and free safety positions gave me the most trouble.  Let's face it.  We haven't had many outstanding players at either position.  Wide receiver gave me trouble because we've had a number of worthy candidates over the years such as Flatley, Gissendaner, Buchanan, Simmons, Lane, and Brewer.  I deliberately avoided calling on older players because they played in a different era and were smaller.  Jack Rudnay was the exception because he was the one NU center I could recall who was considered outstanding.  By the way, there is a heart breaking article on Rudnay at http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=230223.
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sun Jan 29 16:03:19 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 14:03:19 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
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Kind of slanted towards the last 15 years, don't you think?
Personally, as great and accurate as Persa was, I wouldn't put him as the
best, because he really wasn't a winner. I don't think of him as the guy
who would win the game for us in the last quarter -- like Zak Kustok did so
many times. Did Persa even have a winning overall record as a starter? If
so, it must be just barely.

On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:40 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> Tough to leave Otto off in spite of old timer reasons.  The best pro in my
> mind was Tasker.  Some have considered him the greatest special team player
> of all time
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:36:49
> To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
>
> All-Time Cat Football Team
>
>
>
> Offense
>
>
>
> QB - Dan Persa
>
> RB - Damien Anderson
>
> FB - Matt Hartl
>
> WR - D'Wayne Bates, Jeremy Ebert
>
> TE - Drake Dunsmore
>
> OT - Chris Hinton & Zach Strief
>
> OG - Matt O'Dwyer & Trai Essex
>
> C - Jack Rudnay
>
>
>
> Defense
>
>
>
> DE - Corey Wooten, Casey Dailey
>
> DT - Luis Castillo, Barry Cofield
>
> OLB - Kevin Bentley, Napoleon Harris
>
> MLB - Pat Fitzgerald
>
> CB - Sherrick McManis, Hudhaifa Ismaeli
>
> SS - Brad Philips
>
> FS - Chris Martin
>
>
>
> Special teams
>
>
>
> P - John Kidd
>
> PK - Tony Long
>
> KR - Brian Musso
>
> ST headhunter - Steve Tasker
>
>
>
> Coach - Ara Parseghian
>
>
>
> The center and free safety positions gave me the most trouble.  Let's face
> it.  We haven't had many outstanding players at either position.  Wide
> receiver gave me trouble because we've had a number of worthy candidates
> over the years such as Flatley, Gissendaner, Buchanan, Simmons, Lane, and
> Brewer.  I deliberately avoided calling on older players because they
> played in a different era and were smaller.  Jack Rudnay was the exception
> because he was the one NU center I could recall who was considered
> outstanding.  By the way, there is a heart breaking article on Rudnay at
> http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=230223.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan 29 20:56:34 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:56:34 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
References: <9BDDC45F49C74513B1B73B1DCD66D809@dennismachine><1610837280-1327873203-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1097461-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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Not slanted.  I just don't believe you could pick up old time players and plunk them down in the modern era and expect them to play well.  Overall they were smaller, slower, did not have the latest physical training techniques available, and spent less of each year training and preparing for the game.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Scott Zeller, M.D. 
  To: hakirsch at aol.com 
  Cc: Dennis W. Brandt ; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 5:03 PM
  Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Something to argue over


  Kind of slanted towards the last 15 years, don't you think?
  Personally, as great and accurate as Persa was, I wouldn't put him as the best, because he really wasn't a winner. I don't think of him as the guy who would win the game for us in the last quarter -- like Zak Kustok did so many times. Did Persa even have a winning overall record as a starter? If so, it must be just barely.


  On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:40 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

    Tough to leave Otto off in spite of old timer reasons.  The best pro in my mind was Tasker.  Some have considered him the greatest special team player of all time

    Harry
    Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


    -----Original Message-----
    From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
    Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
    Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 16:36:49
    To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
    Reply-To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
    Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over

    All-Time Cat Football Team



    Offense



    QB - Dan Persa

    RB - Damien Anderson

    FB - Matt Hartl

    WR - D'Wayne Bates, Jeremy Ebert

    TE - Drake Dunsmore

    OT - Chris Hinton & Zach Strief

    OG - Matt O'Dwyer & Trai Essex

    C - Jack Rudnay



    Defense



    DE - Corey Wooten, Casey Dailey

    DT - Luis Castillo, Barry Cofield

    OLB - Kevin Bentley, Napoleon Harris

    MLB - Pat Fitzgerald

    CB - Sherrick McManis, Hudhaifa Ismaeli

    SS - Brad Philips

    FS - Chris Martin



    Special teams



    P - John Kidd

    PK - Tony Long

    KR - Brian Musso

    ST headhunter - Steve Tasker



    Coach - Ara Parseghian



    The center and free safety positions gave me the most trouble.  Let's face it.  We haven't had many outstanding players at either position.  Wide receiver gave me trouble because we've had a number of worthy candidates over the years such as Flatley, Gissendaner, Buchanan, Simmons, Lane, and Brewer.  I deliberately avoided calling on older players because they played in a different era and were smaller.  Jack Rudnay was the exception because he was the one NU center I could recall who was considered outstanding.  By the way, there is a heart breaking article on Rudnay at http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=230223.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan 29 20:57:21 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 21:57:21 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
References: <9BDDC45F49C74513B1B73B1DCD66D809@dennismachine>
 <001801ccdecf$b584af30$208e0d90$@com>
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<I think Otto Graham is a star regardless of the era, altho he came to NU to 
play another
<sport which would make you have to wonder if he'd even try out for the team 
in today's
<college environment.

I wasn't picking stars.  I was picking the best players for a team. 


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan 29 22:02:37 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:02:37 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] test
Message-ID: <002f01ccdf04$021007d0$06301770$@com>

Did this get out?

rsl

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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
--------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=================================================
There is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
love of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
cannot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
===========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Jan 29 22:25:46 2012
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:25:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] test
In-Reply-To: <002f01ccdf04$021007d0$06301770$@com>
References: <002f01ccdf04$021007d0$06301770$@com>
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Affirmative.

PHL



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To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 11:03 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] test


Did this get out?
rsl
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
pinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
hose of any organizations of which I am a member.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
oy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
omputer Applications & Support Associates
oach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
irector Media Relations - Little League 
 Senior League Softball World Series
TR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
orthwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
hi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
ublisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
here is nothing wrong with America that the faith, 
ove of freedom, intelligence and energy of her citizens 
annot cure - Dwight D. Eisenhower
  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
f we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
ell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From hudhaifa3 at aol.com  Mon Jan 30 05:21:20 2012
From: hudhaifa3 at aol.com (joe amore)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:21:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
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Ahhh something to debate. ....Good Stuff.

QB - Always liked Lenny Williams he would have been dangerous with a good team.....
RB - How can you not have Darnell Autry. He was surely the face of the program. Damien was an excellent back.
WR - Possibly Richard Buchanon 
OL -  No OL from the Rose and Citrus Bowl teams...Can't argue with your choices though.

Good LineBackers and DL.

Chris Martin was a corner....(him and rodney ray did their thing)
and I would take William Bennett at safety.....
YOUR DAMN right about ISMAELI though....ONE of the best NU athletes of ALL-TIME....Somebody argue that fact with me.

Kickers....take your Pick Gowins or Valensizi......I would take Gowins...he kicked in NFL.



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:35 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over


All-Time Cat Football Team

Offense
 
QB - Dan Persa
RB - Damien Anderson
FB - Matt Hartl
WR - D'Wayne Bates, Jeremy Ebert
TE - Drake Dunsmore
OT - Chris Hinton & Zach Strief
OG - Matt O'Dwyer & Trai Essex
C - Jack Rudnay
 
Defense
 
DE - Corey Wooten, Casey Dailey
DT - Luis Castillo, Barry Cofield
OLB - Kevin Bentley, Napoleon Harris
MLB - Pat Fitzgerald
CB - Sherrick McManis, Hudhaifa Ismaeli
SS - Brad Philips
FS - Chris Martin
 
Special teams
 
P - John Kidd
PK - Tony Long
KR - Brian Musso
ST headhunter - Steve Tasker
 
Coach - Ara Parseghian

The center and free safety positions gave me the most trouble.  Let's face it.  
e haven't had many outstanding players at either position.  Wide receiver gave 
e trouble because we've had a number of worthy candidates over the years such 
s Flatley, Gissendaner, Buchanan, Simmons, Lane, and Brewer.  I deliberately 
voided calling on older players because they played in a different era and were 
maller.  Jack Rudnay was the exception because he was the one NU center I could 
ecall who was considered outstanding.  By the way, there is a heart breaking 
rticle on Rudnay at http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=230223.
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From marks83588 at aol.com  Mon Jan 30 05:32:47 2012
From: marks83588 at aol.com (marks83588 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:32:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
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For my money, Pete Shaw was the best DB ever to line up for the Cats. Actually played several years for the Chargers. Nice guy, too.

I never saw him play, but Fred "the Hammer" Williamson has a good reputation. Three time AFL all-star. Hard to believe Brad Phillips stands up to either of those guys!



-----Original Message-----
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To: tbng <tbng at comcast.net>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 6:21 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Something to argue over



hhh something to debate. ....Good Stuff.
QB - Always liked Lenny Williams he would have been dangerous with a good 
eam.....
B - How can you not have Darnell Autry. He was surely the face of the program. 
amien was an excellent back.
R - Possibly Richard Buchanon 
L -  No OL from the Rose and Citrus Bowl teams...Can't argue with your choices 
hough.
Good LineBackers and DL.
Chris Martin was a corner....(him and rodney ray did their thing)
nd I would take William Bennett at safety.....
OUR DAMN right about ISMAELI though....ONE of the best NU athletes of 
LL-TIME....Somebody argue that fact with me.
Kickers....take your Pick Gowins or Valensizi......I would take Gowins...he 
icked in NFL.

-----Original Message-----
rom: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
o: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
ent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:35 pm
ubject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over

ll-Time Cat Football Team
Offense

B - Dan Persa
B - Damien Anderson
B - Matt Hartl
R - D'Wayne Bates, Jeremy Ebert
E - Drake Dunsmore
T - Chris Hinton & Zach Strief
G - Matt O'Dwyer & Trai Essex
 - Jack Rudnay

efense

E - Corey Wooten, Casey Dailey
T - Luis Castillo, Barry Cofield
LB - Kevin Bentley, Napoleon Harris
LB - Pat Fitzgerald
B - Sherrick McManis, Hudhaifa Ismaeli
S - Brad Philips
S - Chris Martin

pecial teams

 - John Kidd
K - Tony Long
R - Brian Musso
T headhunter - Steve Tasker

oach - Ara Parseghian
The center and free safety positions gave me the most trouble.  Let's face it.  
 haven't had many outstanding players at either position.  Wide receiver gave 
 trouble because we've had a number of worthy candidates over the years such 
 Flatley, Gissendaner, Buchanan, Simmons, Lane, and Brewer.  I deliberately 
oided calling on older players because they played in a different era and were 
aller.  Jack Rudnay was the exception because he was the one NU center I could 
call who was considered outstanding.  By the way, there is a heart breaking 
ticle on Rudnay at http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=230223.
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan 30 06:46:48 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:46:48 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
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I do agree with Dennis' premise that the players from earlier years (not sure exactly how early )just can't compare with today's athlete.  They were smaller and slower so their stats would have been worse against today's competition.  The only sport category where you can definitively see that is track and field where todays athletes run faster and jump higher than they did in yesteryear. 

How fast could a 220 pounder do the 40 yarder in 1960 ?

Not to mention in many schools the competition was limited to the white race only well into to 1960's and early 70's.  When you limit the field of potential players against you, your numbers look better . 

Harry
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For my money, Pete Shaw was the best DB ever to line up for the Cats. Actually played several years for the Chargers. Nice guy, too.

I never saw him play, but Fred "the Hammer" Williamson has a good reputation. Three time AFL all-star. Hard to believe Brad Phillips stands up to either of those guys!



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hhh something to debate. ....Good Stuff.
QB - Always liked Lenny Williams he would have been dangerous with a good 
eam.....
B - How can you not have Darnell Autry. He was surely the face of the program. 
amien was an excellent back.
R - Possibly Richard Buchanon 
L -  No OL from the Rose and Citrus Bowl teams...Can't argue with your choices 
hough.
Good LineBackers and DL.
Chris Martin was a corner....(him and rodney ray did their thing)
nd I would take William Bennett at safety.....
OUR DAMN right about ISMAELI though....ONE of the best NU athletes of 
LL-TIME....Somebody argue that fact with me.
Kickers....take your Pick Gowins or Valensizi......I would take Gowins...he 
icked in NFL.

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ubject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over

ll-Time Cat Football Team
Offense

B - Dan Persa
B - Damien Anderson
B - Matt Hartl
R - D'Wayne Bates, Jeremy Ebert
E - Drake Dunsmore
T - Chris Hinton & Zach Strief
G - Matt O'Dwyer & Trai Essex
 - Jack Rudnay

efense

E - Corey Wooten, Casey Dailey
T - Luis Castillo, Barry Cofield
LB - Kevin Bentley, Napoleon Harris
LB - Pat Fitzgerald
B - Sherrick McManis, Hudhaifa Ismaeli
S - Brad Philips
S - Chris Martin

pecial teams

 - John Kidd
K - Tony Long
R - Brian Musso
T headhunter - Steve Tasker

oach - Ara Parseghian
The center and free safety positions gave me the most trouble.  Let's face it.  
 haven't had many outstanding players at either position.  Wide receiver gave 
 trouble because we've had a number of worthy candidates over the years such 
 Flatley, Gissendaner, Buchanan, Simmons, Lane, and Brewer.  I deliberately 
oided calling on older players because they played in a different era and were 
aller.  Jack Rudnay was the exception because he was the one NU center I could 
call who was considered outstanding.  By the way, there is a heart breaking 
ticle on Rudnay at http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=230223.
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan 30 07:18:58 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:18:58 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
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One other comment on Dennis'  selections.  While Ara may have been a good coach for NU, I can't see him surpassing Barnett.  I wonder how much credit he is giving him for his ND successes rather than his work at NU ?  He did have a tough program coming in and he had a no win season early on perhaps re- inforcing a bad inheritance, but look at what Barnett did with the program he inherited ? While we have had some down years since 1995, NU has never looked back since his teams got us some respect. Compare that to the 20 odd years prior. 


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I do agree with Dennis' premise that the players from earlier years (not sure exactly how early )just can't compare with today's athlete.  They were smaller and slower so their stats would have been worse against today's competition.  The only sport category where you can definitively see that is track and field where todays athletes run faster and jump higher than they did in yesteryear. 

How fast could a 220 pounder do the 40 yarder in 1960 ?

Not to mention in many schools the competition was limited to the white race only well into to 1960's and early 70's.  When you limit the field of potential players against you, your numbers look better . 

Harry
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For my money, Pete Shaw was the best DB ever to line up for the Cats. Actually played several years for the Chargers. Nice guy, too.

I never saw him play, but Fred "the Hammer" Williamson has a good reputation. Three time AFL all-star. Hard to believe Brad Phillips stands up to either of those guys!



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hhh something to debate. ....Good Stuff.
QB - Always liked Lenny Williams he would have been dangerous with a good 
eam.....
B - How can you not have Darnell Autry. He was surely the face of the program. 
amien was an excellent back.
R - Possibly Richard Buchanon 
L -  No OL from the Rose and Citrus Bowl teams...Can't argue with your choices 
hough.
Good LineBackers and DL.
Chris Martin was a corner....(him and rodney ray did their thing)
nd I would take William Bennett at safety.....
OUR DAMN right about ISMAELI though....ONE of the best NU athletes of 
LL-TIME....Somebody argue that fact with me.
Kickers....take your Pick Gowins or Valensizi......I would take Gowins...he 
icked in NFL.

-----Original Message-----
rom: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
o: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
ent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:35 pm
ubject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over

ll-Time Cat Football Team
Offense

B - Dan Persa
B - Damien Anderson
B - Matt Hartl
R - D'Wayne Bates, Jeremy Ebert
E - Drake Dunsmore
T - Chris Hinton & Zach Strief
G - Matt O'Dwyer & Trai Essex
 - Jack Rudnay

efense

E - Corey Wooten, Casey Dailey
T - Luis Castillo, Barry Cofield
LB - Kevin Bentley, Napoleon Harris
LB - Pat Fitzgerald
B - Sherrick McManis, Hudhaifa Ismaeli
S - Brad Philips
S - Chris Martin

pecial teams

 - John Kidd
K - Tony Long
R - Brian Musso
T headhunter - Steve Tasker

oach - Ara Parseghian
The center and free safety positions gave me the most trouble.  Let's face it.  
 haven't had many outstanding players at either position.  Wide receiver gave 
 trouble because we've had a number of worthy candidates over the years such 
 Flatley, Gissendaner, Buchanan, Simmons, Lane, and Brewer.  I deliberately 
oided calling on older players because they played in a different era and were 
aller.  Jack Rudnay was the exception because he was the one NU center I could 
call who was considered outstanding.  By the way, there is a heart breaking 
ticle on Rudnay at http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=230223.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan 30 08:04:27 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:04:27 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
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  Ahhh something to debate. ....Good Stuff.

  QB - Always liked Lenny Williams he would have been dangerous with a good team.....
  RB - How can you not have Darnell Autry. He was surely the face of the program. Damien was an excellent back.
  WR - Possibly Richard Buchanon 
  OL -  No OL from the Rose and Citrus Bowl teams...Can't argue with your choices though.

  Good LineBackers and DL.

  Chris Martin was a corner....(him and rodney ray did their thing)
  and I would take William Bennett at safety.....
  YOUR DAMN right about ISMAELI though....ONE of the best NU athletes of ALL-TIME....Somebody argue that fact with me.

  Kickers....take your Pick Gowins or Valensizi......I would take Gowins...he kicked in NFL.


  True about Darnell, but he's the face of the team because he was the first good running back we had enjoyed for a long while whose contributions actually 
  led to wins.  Damian was a bit larger and faster, but I'll take Darnell out there, too.  Hell!  I'll take ADRIAN Autry at this point.
I really didn't know who to put at free safety because we've never had a great one.  I recalled Martin as a safety but I guess my memory failed me, and rosters never differentiate defensive back positions.  Insert Bennett's name in his place.  I hesitated including Ismaeli because he played best as a fifth defensive back, a free-ranging rover that drove offenses nuts.  He was not as effective as a pure corner, but he was one of the finest athletes NU ever had on the gridiron.  I also cogitated over the pre-straight-arm-to-the-throat Fred "The Hammer" Williamson, but he was an old-timer.  (Big though.)I picked Tony Long at place kicker because he hit a number of clutch field goals, but Gowins did too.  Oh, that '96 Michigan game, my first in Evanston since 1967, where he had to kick the winning field goal twice.  Either he or Valensizi are acceptable.I look back at the 1997 team and wonder what might have been if Darnell hadn't gone pro, D'Wayne hadn't busted his leg, and Ismaeli hadn't smoked dope and gotten a rod up his . . . over Barnett and instead had returned for his final season.  We played Michigan very tough that year and darn near beat Penn State.  With those three guys in the lineup, we would have won a few more games and may have forestalled the subsequent downturn.  Maybe Barnett would have stayed.  (Thenagain, probably not, the (#$&$(!@)&~!)

From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan 30 08:06:19 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:06:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
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For my money, Pete Shaw was the best DB ever to line up for the Cats. Actually played several years for the Chargers. Nice guy, too.

You could be right.  From 1968 through 1995, if I wanted to see Wildcat football, I had to go across town to Dallastown High School.  We saw precious little Northwestern football here on the east coast.

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Jan 30 08:04:45 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:04:45 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
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I agree with Harry.

Coaches have to be graded on their accomplishments.  These are the goals
shared by every NU team - have a winning record, win the BT, win a Bowl,
win a National Championship.  Each of those goals trumps the earlier
one.  

Also I think that coaches from all eras can be compared because they
were coaching against teams with comparable players.

Given that criteria, the best coach IMHO is a tie between Gary Barnett
and Bob Voigts.

Voigts has NU's first bowl appearance (1948 Rose Bowl) and our only bowl
win but didn't win the BT
Barnett has two BT championships but didn't win either of the two bowls
his teams played

Ara Parseghian was a great NU coach and is one of four NU coaches in the
College Hall of Fame, but in Ara's case his induction was likely more
for his body of work at ND than at NU.

Jeff


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One other comment on Dennis'  selections.  While Ara may have been a
good coach for NU, I can't see him surpassing Barnett.  I wonder how
much credit he is giving him for his ND successes rather than his work
at NU ?  He did have a tough program coming in and he had a no win
season early on perhaps re- inforcing a bad inheritance, but look at
what Barnett did with the program he inherited ? While we have had some
down years since 1995, NU has never looked back since his teams got us
some respect. Compare that to the 20 odd years prior. 


Harry
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I do agree with Dennis' premise that the players from earlier years (not
sure exactly how early )just can't compare with today's athlete.  They
were smaller and slower so their stats would have been worse against
today's competition.  The only sport category where you can definitively
see that is track and field where todays athletes run faster and jump
higher than they did in yesteryear. 

How fast could a 220 pounder do the 40 yarder in 1960 ?

Not to mention in many schools the competition was limited to the white
race only well into to 1960's and early 70's.  When you limit the field
of potential players against you, your numbers look better . 

Harry
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Something to argue over


For my money, Pete Shaw was the best DB ever to line up for the Cats.
Actually played several years for the Chargers. Nice guy, too.

I never saw him play, but Fred "the Hammer" Williamson has a good
reputation. Three time AFL all-star. Hard to believe Brad Phillips
stands up to either of those guys!



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hhh something to debate. ....Good Stuff.
QB - Always liked Lenny Williams he would have been dangerous with a
good 
eam.....
B - How can you not have Darnell Autry. He was surely the face of the
program. 
amien was an excellent back.
R - Possibly Richard Buchanon 
L -  No OL from the Rose and Citrus Bowl teams...Can't argue with your
choices 
hough.
Good LineBackers and DL.
Chris Martin was a corner....(him and rodney ray did their thing)
nd I would take William Bennett at safety.....
OUR DAMN right about ISMAELI though....ONE of the best NU athletes of 
LL-TIME....Somebody argue that fact with me.
Kickers....take your Pick Gowins or Valensizi......I would take
Gowins...he 
icked in NFL.

-----Original Message-----
rom: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
o: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
ent: Sun, Jan 29, 2012 10:35 pm
ubject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over

ll-Time Cat Football Team
Offense

B - Dan Persa
B - Damien Anderson
B - Matt Hartl
R - D'Wayne Bates, Jeremy Ebert
E - Drake Dunsmore
T - Chris Hinton & Zach Strief
G - Matt O'Dwyer & Trai Essex
 - Jack Rudnay

efense

E - Corey Wooten, Casey Dailey
T - Luis Castillo, Barry Cofield
LB - Kevin Bentley, Napoleon Harris
LB - Pat Fitzgerald
B - Sherrick McManis, Hudhaifa Ismaeli
S - Brad Philips
S - Chris Martin

pecial teams

 - John Kidd
K - Tony Long
R - Brian Musso
T headhunter - Steve Tasker

oach - Ara Parseghian
The center and free safety positions gave me the most trouble.  Let's
face it.  
 haven't had many outstanding players at either position.  Wide receiver
gave 
 trouble because we've had a number of worthy candidates over the years
such 
 Flatley, Gissendaner, Buchanan, Simmons, Lane, and Brewer.  I
deliberately 
oided calling on older players because they played in a different era
and were 
aller.  Jack Rudnay was the exception because he was the one NU center I
could 
call who was considered outstanding.  By the way, there is a heart
breaking 
ticle on Rudnay at
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=230223.
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Mon Jan 30 08:10:32 2012
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:10:32 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
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Along this vein, in case you're interested, here was the NU all-decade team
for the 2000s that I posted to HTP after the 2009 season:

Offense: http://hailtopurple.com/jhodges/comment9k25b.html
Def & ST: http://hailtopurple.com/jhodges/comment9l14.html

As others have mentioned, it is very difficult to compare eras in football
due to the physical nature of the sport and the increase in athleticism
over the years (in addition to the completely different strategies
employed).  It's also very difficult because few of us (and definitely not
myself) have actually seen many of the pre-1990's teams given your age
and/or lack of video.  One would probably be best to delineate certain eras
and pick out the best players in that era; if one teleported Otto from 1942
to today, he may not do very well; but if he actually grew up today I'm
sure he could hold his own after going through years of training and
conditioning for the modern game.

Jonathan

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On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

> For my money, Pete Shaw was the best DB ever to line up for the Cats.
> Actually played several years for the Chargers. Nice guy, too.
>
> You could be right.  From 1968 through 1995, if I wanted to see Wildcat
> football, I had to go across town to Dallastown High School.  We saw
> precious little Northwestern football here on the east coast.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan 30 08:17:14 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 09:17:14 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
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>I do agree with Dennis' premise that the players from earlier years (not 
>sure exactly how early )just can't compare with today's athlete.  They were 
>smaller and slower so their stats would have been worse against today's 
>competition.  The only sport category where you can definitively see that 
>is track and field where todays athletes run faster and jump higher than 
>they did in yesteryear.
>
> How fast could a 220 pounder do the 40 yarder in 1960 ?
>
> Not to mention in many schools the competition was limited to the white 
> race only well into to 1960's and early 70's.  When you limit the field of 
> potential players against you, your numbers look better .

The best example of that is looking back at the famous Vince Lombardi, 
virtually impossible to stop power sweep.  Jerry Kramer led it from his 
offensive guard position, and he only weighed about 260 lbs, about 60 lbs. 
underweight for today's teams.  Alex Karras was an all-pro defensive tackle, 
and he likewise only weighed about 260 lbs.  Today, there are quarterbacks 
who weigh that much.  And I believe Boyd Dowler, the Packers' tight end, ran 
a 5-something in the 40.  Lombardi won because he got his team into a 
physical condition that was unusual for that day.  And believe it or not, 
Dick Butkus said that he never lifted weights until after his career had 
ended.  Many pro football players then had real jobs in the off-season and 
didn't spend their time making themselves into physical specimens. 


From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan 30 09:15:21 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:15:21 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
Message-ID: <CF48A49F717F4EE8861756C17A68B05F@dennismachine>

While we're at it, why not an all-time Cat basketball team?

 

 

Center - Evan Eschmeyer

Guard (shooting) - Billy McKinney

Guard (point) - Juice Thompson

Forward (power) - Don Adams

Forward (shooting) - John Shurna

Bench (guard) - Terry Gambert, Jim Burns

Bench (forward) - Tim Doyle, Vedran Vukusic

Bench (center) - Kyle Rowley (OK, I'm joking.  Face it.  Other than Esch, we've never had a good center)

Coach: Morice Fredrick Winter (and even he wasn't very successful at NU)

 

Eschmeyer and McKinney are no-brainers, but some of you may be asking, "Don and Terry who?"  For you youngsters, Adams was a 6' 6" wi-i-i-ide-body from the late '60s who spent a number of years as an NBA journeyman thanks to his rebounding and defensive skills.  He remains the only true power forward in my memory to ever play for Northwestern and may be the school's best pure rebounder of all time.  He didn't score much, but he kept the other team from scoring, especially on put-backs.  Could we ever use him now!  Gambert, now a judge, was a slick ball-handler and adroit passer from the same era and could shoot as well.  Jim Burns likewise was from that same era, an all-Big 10 selection at guard his senior year and enjoyed a cup or two of coffee in the NBA and the old ABA.  (He is now an Illinois state's attorney and ran for governor in the 90s.  You know he lost because he's not in jail.)  There should be a guy named Coble on this roster, but he went from hero for how he treated his mother to the defecation list for deserting his team mates and blowing the opportunity for a free master's degree.





From hudhaifa3 at aol.com  Mon Jan 30 09:21:10 2012
From: hudhaifa3 at aol.com (joe amore)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:21:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
In-Reply-To: <CF48A49F717F4EE8861756C17A68B05F@dennismachine>
References: <CF48A49F717F4EE8861756C17A68B05F@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <8CEAD79EDF65DE5-A64-1CBDF@webmail-m132.sysops.aol.com>


Kevin Rankin....(center) backup

Jitim Young....

Cedric Neloms.....



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 4:13 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team


While we're at it, why not an all-time Cat basketball team?
 
 
Center - Evan Eschmeyer
Guard (shooting) - Billy McKinney
Guard (point) - Juice Thompson
Forward (power) - Don Adams
Forward (shooting) - John Shurna
Bench (guard) - Terry Gambert, Jim Burns
Bench (forward) - Tim Doyle, Vedran Vukusic
Bench (center) - Kyle Rowley (OK, I'm joking.  Face it.  Other than Esch, we've 
ever had a good center)
Coach: Morice Fredrick Winter (and even he wasn't very successful at NU)
 
Eschmeyer and McKinney are no-brainers, but some of you may be asking, "Don and 
erry who?"  For you youngsters, Adams was a 6' 6" wi-i-i-ide-body from the late 
60s who spent a number of years as an NBA journeyman thanks to his rebounding 
nd defensive skills.  He remains the only true power forward in my memory to 
ver play for Northwestern and may be the school's best pure rebounder of all 
ime.  He didn't score much, but he kept the other team from scoring, especially 
n put-backs.  Could we ever use him now!  Gambert, now a judge, was a slick 
all-handler and adroit passer from the same era and could shoot as well.  Jim 
urns likewise was from that same era, an all-Big 10 selection at guard his 
enior year and enjoyed a cup or two of coffee in the NBA and the old ABA.  (He 
s now an Illinois state's attorney and ran for governor in the 90s.  You know 
e lost because he's not in jail.)  There should be a guy named Coble on this 
oster, but he went from hero for how he tre
ated his mother to the defecation list for deserting his team mates and blowing 
he opportunity for a free master's degree.


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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 09:21:43 2012
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:21:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
In-Reply-To: <9BDDC45F49C74513B1B73B1DCD66D809@dennismachine>
References: <9BDDC45F49C74513B1B73B1DCD66D809@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <1327936903.69462.YahooMailNeo@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

>QB - Dan Persa


Toughest position to call, I think. Schnur based on results. Basenez was very good most of his career, and ridiculously good his senior year. Kustok was the ultimate clutch guy (imagine if Kustok or Basenez had been playing with good defenses their senior years). I would love to see what Persa could have done this year had he not had the injury, although he was very, very good even on one leg.?

I guess if I were drafting, I'd take a healthy Dan Persa, but I'd be happy with any of those guys. Bacher certainly made some people nervous as well.?

>RB - Damien Anderson


I'd put Sutton and Autry ahead of Damien myself. Pound for pound, Tyrell Sutton may be the best football player I've ever had the privilege of watching in person. Not the biggest, fastest, or strongest, but no one worked harder. He was a complete back as well--an excellent pass protector, and a gifted receiver. If he had stayed healthy, he'd own all the records.?

>WR - D'Wayne Bates, Jeremy Ebert


So many good ones. Musso deserves a mention somewhere. Somewhat overlooked guys like Kunle Patrick, Ross Lane, and Eric Peterman had huge careers as well.?

>C - Jack Rudnay


Gotta go with Austin King myself.?

>OLB - Kevin Bentley, Napoleon Harris


Nick Roach belongs in that conversation too.?

>CB - Sherrick McManis, Hudhaifa Ismaeli


As noted by others, Chris Martin was a CB not a safety, so he's in this conversation too. Has anyone played their position better at NU than McManis played his? OK, Otto Graham, but aside from that. Ismaeli was pretty much a shut-down corner his last year, but as noted, he made the most impact as an utterly relentless pass-rusher on 3rd downs.?

>FS - Chris Martin


Brendan Smith was very, very good. Another guy that was limited by injuries, but in a way, those injuries revealed how good he was because our defense was always noticeably worse when he was sidelined for all or part of a game.?

Tom



From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan 30 09:35:53 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:35:53 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
References: <9BDDC45F49C74513B1B73B1DCD66D809@dennismachine>
 <1327936903.69462.YahooMailNeo@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C37298F09EC42BCB74CCA71DA6C05C6@dennismachine>

>C - Jack Rudnay  Gotta go with Austin King myself.

After further review, I think you're right, although Rudnay was better in 
his time.

>OLB - Kevin Bentley, Napoleon Harris   Nick Roach belongs in that 
>conversation too.

I had him on the list for a while, and it sure wouldn't hurt to have him on 
the team.

>FS - Chris Martin

Yeah.  I blew that one.  He wasn't a free safety.  It's just that no great 
names came to mind at that position.



From dmangoub at aol.com  Mon Jan 30 09:35:00 2012
From: dmangoub at aol.com (David Mangoubi)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:35:00 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
In-Reply-To: <8CEAD79EDF65DE5-A64-1CBDF@webmail-m132.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CF48A49F717F4EE8861756C17A68B05F@dennismachine>
 <8CEAD79EDF65DE5-A64-1CBDF@webmail-m132.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CEAD7BDCE5B9FA-F58-B34AA@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com>

Shon Morris

Kevin Coble

What could have been with Rex Walters and Geno Carlisle.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: joe amore <hudhaifa3 at aol.com>
To: tbng <tbng at comcast.net>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 9:22 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team



Kevin Rankin....(center) backup

Jitim Young....

Cedric Neloms.....



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 4:13 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team


While we're at it, why not an all-time Cat basketball team?
 
 
Center - Evan Eschmeyer
Guard (shooting) - Billy McKinney
Guard (point) - Juice Thompson
Forward (power) - Don Adams
Forward (shooting) - John Shurna
Bench (guard) - Terry Gambert, Jim Burns
Bench (forward) - Tim Doyle, Vedran Vukusic
Bench (center) - Kyle Rowley (OK, I'm joking.  Face it.  Other than Esch, we've 
ever had a good center)
Coach: Morice Fredrick Winter (and even he wasn't very successful at NU)
 
Eschmeyer and McKinney are no-brainers, but some of you may be asking, "Don and 
erry who?"  For you youngsters, Adams was a 6' 6" wi-i-i-ide-body from the late 
60s who spent a number of years as an NBA journeyman thanks to his rebounding 
nd defensive skills.  He remains the only true power forward in my memory to 
ver play for Northwestern and may be the school's best pure rebounder of all 
ime.  He didn't score much, but he kept the other team from scoring, especially 
n put-backs.  Could we ever use him now!  Gambert, now a judge, was a slick 
all-handler and adroit passer from the same era and could shoot as well.  Jim 
urns likewise was from that same era, an all-Big 10 selection at guard his 
enior year and enjoyed a cup or two of coffee in the NBA and the old ABA.  (He 
s now an Illinois state's attorney and ran for governor in the 90s.  You know 
e lost because he's not in jail.)  There should be a guy named Coble on this 
oster, but he went from hero for how he tre
ated his mother to the defecation list for deserting his team mates and blowing 
he opportunity for a free master's degree.


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From ddave at nusports.com  Mon Jan 30 09:39:02 2012
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:39:02 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
Message-ID: <20120130073902.D4A4A7A0@m0005309.ppops.net>

Going back in time

Joe Ruklick - center/forward ('57-'59)



dave bradley
(717) 687-5355-home
(717) 572-2038-cell
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--- hudhaifa3 at aol.com wrote:

From: joe amore <hudhaifa3 at aol.com>
To: tbng at comcast.net, nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:21:10 -0500 (EST)


Kevin Rankin....(center) backup

Jitim Young....

Cedric Neloms.....



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 4:13 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team


While we're at it, why not an all-time Cat basketball team?
 
 
Center - Evan Eschmeyer
Guard (shooting) - Billy McKinney
Guard (point) - Juice Thompson
Forward (power) - Don Adams
Forward (shooting) - John Shurna
Bench (guard) - Terry Gambert, Jim Burns
Bench (forward) - Tim Doyle, Vedran Vukusic
Bench (center) - Kyle Rowley (OK, I'm joking.  Face it.  Other than Esch, we've 
ever had a good center)
Coach: Morice Fredrick Winter (and even he wasn't very successful at NU)
 
Eschmeyer and McKinney are no-brainers, but some of you may be asking, "Don and 
erry who?"  For you youngsters, Adams was a 6' 6" wi-i-i-ide-body from the late 
60s who spent a number of years as an NBA journeyman thanks to his rebounding 
nd defensive skills.  He remains the only true power forward in my memory to 
ver play for Northwestern and may be the school's best pure rebounder of all 
ime.  He didn't score much, but he kept the other team from scoring, especially 
n put-backs.  Could we ever use him now!  Gambert, now a judge, was a slick 
all-handler and adroit passer from the same era and could shoot as well.  Jim 
urns likewise was from that same era, an all-Big 10 selection at guard his 
enior year and enjoyed a cup or two of coffee in the NBA and the old ABA.  (He 
s now an Illinois state's attorney and ran for governor in the 90s.  You know 
e lost because he's not in jail.)  There should be a guy named Coble on this 
oster, but he went from hero for how he tre
ated his mother to the defecation list for deserting his team mates and blowing 
he opportunity for a free master's degree.


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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan 30 09:55:52 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 10:55:52 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
References: <CF48A49F717F4EE8861756C17A68B05F@dennismachine>
 <8CEAD79EDF65DE5-A64-1CBDF@webmail-m132.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <79F2275F40654E24A9A4304E3D9366BF@dennismachine>

 
<Kevin Rankin....(center) backup
<Jitim Young....
<Cedric Neloms.....


I couldn't remember Kevin Rankin's name to save my life.  However, I did remember that he was plodding and couldn't rebound well in a crowd despite being 6' 11" and BI-I-I-IG.  Yes, he is second in rebounding all-time at NU to Eschmeyer, but Jim Pitts is fourth, and the fact that he is demonstrates just how bad we've been at this position.  I  suppose Rankin is as good as anyone for a backup center.

I considered Jitim.  He was physical, worked his butt off, and could ignite a spark coming off the bench, but he would have made a better football player.

I probably should have considered Jim Stack.

From scottzel at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 09:55:29 2012
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:55:29 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
In-Reply-To: <79F2275F40654E24A9A4304E3D9366BF@dennismachine>
References: <CF48A49F717F4EE8861756C17A68B05F@dennismachine>
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 <79F2275F40654E24A9A4304E3D9366BF@dennismachine>
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Jim Stack would have made that last shot to beat Purdue on Saturday.

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

>
> <Kevin Rankin....(center) backup
> <Jitim Young....
> <Cedric Neloms.....
>
>
> I couldn't remember Kevin Rankin's name to save my life.  However, I did
> remember that he was plodding and couldn't rebound well in a crowd despite
> being 6' 11" and BI-I-I-IG.  Yes, he is second in rebounding all-time at NU
> to Eschmeyer, but Jim Pitts is fourth, and the fact that he is demonstrates
> just how bad we've been at this position.  I  suppose Rankin is as good as
> anyone for a backup center.
>
> I considered Jitim.  He was physical, worked his butt off, and could
> ignite a spark coming off the bench, but he would have made a better
> football player.
>
> I probably should have considered Jim Stack.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan 30 10:00:14 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:00:14 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
References: <CF48A49F717F4EE8861756C17A68B05F@dennismachine>
 <8CEAD79EDF65DE5-A64-1CBDF@webmail-m132.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <BA7DAB74089540279C826590056781FD@dennismachine>

<Shon Morris

<Kevin Coble

<What could have been with Rex Walters and Geno Carlisle.

Shon's not a bad choice, but Rex and Geno deserted the sinking ship and don't deserve the ignominy of being on an all-time Northwestern basketball list.  I mentioned Coble in my post.






  -----Original Message-----
  From: joe amore <hudhaifa3 at aol.com>
  To: tbng <tbng at comcast.net>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
  Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 9:22 am
  Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team



Kevin Rankin....(center) backup

Jitim Young....

Cedric Neloms.....



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 4:13 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team


While we're at it, why not an all-time Cat basketball team?
 
 
Center - Evan Eschmeyer
Guard (shooting) - Billy McKinney
Guard (point) - Juice Thompson
Forward (power) - Don Adams
Forward (shooting) - John Shurna
Bench (guard) - Terry Gambert, Jim Burns
Bench (forward) - Tim Doyle, Vedran Vukusic
Bench (center) - Kyle Rowley (OK, I'm joking.  Face it.  Other than Esch, we've 
ever had a good center)
Coach: Morice Fredrick Winter (and even he wasn't very successful at NU)
 
Eschmeyer and McKinney are no-brainers, but some of you may be asking, "Don and 
erry who?"  For you youngsters, Adams was a 6' 6" wi-i-i-ide-body from the late 
60s who spent a number of years as an NBA journeyman thanks to his rebounding 
nd defensive skills.  He remains the only true power forward in my memory to 
ver play for Northwestern and may be the school's best pure rebounder of all 
ime.  He didn't score much, but he kept the other team from scoring, especially 
n put-backs.  Could we ever use him now!  Gambert, now a judge, was a slick 
all-handler and adroit passer from the same era and could shoot as well.  Jim 
urns likewise was from that same era, an all-Big 10 selection at guard his 
enior year and enjoyed a cup or two of coffee in the NBA and the old ABA.  (He 
s now an Illinois state's attorney and ran for governor in the 90s.  You know 
e lost because he's not in jail.)  There should be a guy named Coble on this 
oster, but he went from hero for how he tre
ated his mother to the defecation list for deserting his team mates and blowing 
he opportunity for a free master's degree.


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From dmangoub at aol.com  Mon Jan 30 10:26:06 2012
From: dmangoub at aol.com (David Mangoubi)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:26:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
Message-ID: <8CEAD82FF873117-F58-B6665@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com>




 My mistake about Coble. I intended to write this note after Coble's name but forgot to: I think Carmody had a lot to do with Coble leaving so they are both to blame.

True about Walters and Carlisle but I said what could have been. Sad to say Carlisle won an NIT title(yes it is meaningless though we would all be happy if the Cats won an NIT title) with California and Walters got to the Final Four with Kansas and ended up getting drafted in the NBA. Neither would have accomplished that with Northwestern. If they left Northwestern to ride the bench it would have been stupid. Saying that I don't want any talent to ever leave Northwestern and welcome transfers.

We don't pout when we get transfers such as Kyle Prater(USC), Jeff Roehl(Notre Dame) and JohnHenry Pace(University of Miami). All I can recall right now. Don't recall any basketball player transfers.




 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>; David Mangoubi <dmangoub at aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 9:58 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team


<Shon Morris

<Kevin Coble

<What could have been with Rex Walters and Geno Carlisle.

Shon's not a bad choice, but Rex and Geno deserted the sinking ship and don't deserve the ignominy of being on an all-time Northwestern basketball list.  I mentioned Coble in my post.
  


  


  


  
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From: joe amore <hudhaifa3 at aol.com>
To: tbng <tbng at comcast.net>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon,   Jan 30, 2012 9:22 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball   team

  

Kevin Rankin....(center) backup

Jitim Young....

Cedric Neloms.....



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 4:13 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team


While we're at it, why not an all-time Cat basketball team?
 
 
Center - Evan Eschmeyer
Guard (shooting) - Billy McKinney
Guard (point) - Juice Thompson
Forward (power) - Don Adams
Forward (shooting) - John Shurna
Bench (guard) - Terry Gambert, Jim Burns
Bench (forward) - Tim Doyle, Vedran Vukusic
Bench (center) - Kyle Rowley (OK, I'm joking.  Face it.  Other than Esch, we've 
ever had a good center)
Coach: Morice Fredrick Winter (and even he wasn't very successful at NU)
 
Eschmeyer and McKinney are no-brainers, but some of you may be asking, "Don and 
erry who?"  For you youngsters, Adams was a 6' 6" wi-i-i-ide-body from the late 
60s who spent a number of years as an NBA journeyman thanks to his rebounding 
nd defensive skills.  He remains the only true power forward in my memory to 
ver play for Northwestern and may be the school's best pure rebounder of all 
ime.  He didn't score much, but he kept the other team from scoring, especially 
n put-backs.  Could we ever use him now!  Gambert, now a judge, was a slick 
all-handler and adroit passer from the same era and could shoot as well.  Jim 
urns likewise was from that same era, an all-Big 10 selection at guard his 
enior year and enjoyed a cup or two of coffee in the NBA and the old ABA.  (He 
s now an Illinois state's attorney and ran for governor in the 90s.  You know 
e lost because he's not in jail.)  There should be a guy named Coble on this 
oster, but he went from hero for how he tre
ated his mother to the defecation list for deserting his team mates and blowing 
he opportunity for a free master's degree.


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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan 30 10:29:37 2012
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:29:37 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
In-Reply-To: <8CEAD82FF873117-F58-B6665@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CEAD82FF873117-F58-B6665@webmail-m003.sysops.aol.com>
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Brian Jung (who was drafted by the Celtics in the last round) transferred to NU.  Though to be honest I don't think he had much talent, just a 7 foot nice guy who couldn't move
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team




 My mistake about Coble. I intended to write this note after Coble's name but forgot to: I think Carmody had a lot to do with Coble leaving so they are both to blame.

True about Walters and Carlisle but I said what could have been. Sad to say Carlisle won an NIT title(yes it is meaningless though we would all be happy if the Cats won an NIT title) with California and Walters got to the Final Four with Kansas and ended up getting drafted in the NBA. Neither would have accomplished that with Northwestern. If they left Northwestern to ride the bench it would have been stupid. Saying that I don't want any talent to ever leave Northwestern and welcome transfers.

We don't pout when we get transfers such as Kyle Prater(USC), Jeff Roehl(Notre Dame) and JohnHenry Pace(University of Miami). All I can recall right now. Don't recall any basketball player transfers.




 

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From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>; David Mangoubi <dmangoub at aol.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 9:58 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team


<Shon Morris

<Kevin Coble

<What could have been with Rex Walters and Geno Carlisle.

Shon's not a bad choice, but Rex and Geno deserted the sinking ship and don't deserve the ignominy of being on an all-time Northwestern basketball list.  I mentioned Coble in my post.
  


  


  


  
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From: joe amore <hudhaifa3 at aol.com>
To: tbng <tbng at comcast.net>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon,   Jan 30, 2012 9:22 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball   team

  

Kevin Rankin....(center) backup

Jitim Young....

Cedric Neloms.....



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From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
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Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 4:13 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team


While we're at it, why not an all-time Cat basketball team?
 
 
Center - Evan Eschmeyer
Guard (shooting) - Billy McKinney
Guard (point) - Juice Thompson
Forward (power) - Don Adams
Forward (shooting) - John Shurna
Bench (guard) - Terry Gambert, Jim Burns
Bench (forward) - Tim Doyle, Vedran Vukusic
Bench (center) - Kyle Rowley (OK, I'm joking.  Face it.  Other than Esch, we've 
ever had a good center)
Coach: Morice Fredrick Winter (and even he wasn't very successful at NU)
 
Eschmeyer and McKinney are no-brainers, but some of you may be asking, "Don and 
erry who?"  For you youngsters, Adams was a 6' 6" wi-i-i-ide-body from the late 
60s who spent a number of years as an NBA journeyman thanks to his rebounding 
nd defensive skills.  He remains the only true power forward in my memory to 
ver play for Northwestern and may be the school's best pure rebounder of all 
ime.  He didn't score much, but he kept the other team from scoring, especially 
n put-backs.  Could we ever use him now!  Gambert, now a judge, was a slick 
all-handler and adroit passer from the same era and could shoot as well.  Jim 
urns likewise was from that same era, an all-Big 10 selection at guard his 
enior year and enjoyed a cup or two of coffee in the NBA and the old ABA.  (He 
s now an Illinois state's attorney and ran for governor in the 90s.  You know 
e lost because he's not in jail.)  There should be a guy named Coble on this 
oster, but he went from hero for how he tre
ated his mother to the defecation list for deserting his team mates and blowing 
he opportunity for a free master's degree.


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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Jan 30 10:32:20 2012
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:32:20 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
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Walker Lambiotte was a highly touted tranfer to NU from the NC State, but it didn't work out well.  Brian Jung transferred from Arizona and was the starting center and NU's first seven-footer when I was a freshman and the Cats won just two conference games, but beat eventual national champ MSU w/Magic Johnson.

And based on success at NU, like it or not, Carmody is probably the "all-time" coach or at least in the top few (Lonborg, Glass, too).

The discussion of NU hoops tradition (and lack thereof) is very depressing. :)

And Jeff Bzdelik, based on later endeavors, might be NU's most decorated former assistant coach.

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 My mistake about Coble. I intended to write this note after Coble's name but forgot to: I think Carmody had a lot to do with Coble leaving so they are both to blame.

True about Walters and Carlisle but I said what could have been. Sad to say Carlisle won an NIT title(yes it is meaningless though we would all be happy if the Cats won an NIT title) with California and Walters got to the Final Four with Kansas and ended up getting drafted in the NBA. Neither would have accomplished that with Northwestern. If they left Northwestern to ride the bench it would have been stupid. Saying that I don't want any talent to ever leave Northwestern and welcome transfers.

We don't pout when we get transfers such as Kyle Prater(USC), Jeff Roehl(Notre Dame) and JohnHenry Pace(University of Miami). All I can recall right now. Don't recall any basketball player transfers.






-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 9:58 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team


<Shon Morris

<Kevin Coble

<What could have been with Rex Walters and Geno Carlisle.

Shon's not a bad choice, but Rex and Geno deserted the sinking ship and don't deserve the ignominy of being on an all-time Northwestern basketball list.  I mentioned Coble in my post.










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Sent: Mon,   Jan 30, 2012 9:22 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball   team



Kevin Rankin....(center) backup

Jitim Young....

Cedric Neloms.....



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Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 4:13 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team


While we're at it, why not an all-time Cat basketball team?


Center - Evan Eschmeyer
Guard (shooting) - Billy McKinney
Guard (point) - Juice Thompson
Forward (power) - Don Adams
Forward (shooting) - John Shurna
Bench (guard) - Terry Gambert, Jim Burns
Bench (forward) - Tim Doyle, Vedran Vukusic
Bench (center) - Kyle Rowley (OK, I'm joking.  Face it.  Other than Esch, we've
ever had a good center)
Coach: Morice Fredrick Winter (and even he wasn't very successful at NU)

Eschmeyer and McKinney are no-brainers, but some of you may be asking, "Don and
erry who?"  For you youngsters, Adams was a 6' 6" wi-i-i-ide-body from the late
60s who spent a number of years as an NBA journeyman thanks to his rebounding
nd defensive skills.  He remains the only true power forward in my memory to
ver play for Northwestern and may be the school's best pure rebounder of all
ime.  He didn't score much, but he kept the other team from scoring, especially
n put-backs.  Could we ever use him now!  Gambert, now a judge, was a slick
all-handler and adroit passer from the same era and could shoot as well.  Jim
urns likewise was from that same era, an all-Big 10 selection at guard his
enior year and enjoyed a cup or two of coffee in the NBA and the old ABA.  (He
s now an Illinois state's attorney and ran for governor in the 90s.  You know
e lost because he's not in jail.)  There should be a guy named Coble on this
oster, but he went from hero for how he tre
ated his mother to the defecation list for deserting his team mates and blowing
he opportunity for a free master's degree.


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From herms at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 30 10:34:37 2012
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:34:37 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
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We've actually had quite a few basketball transfers in the last decade, almost none of whom, save Tim Doyle, have made much of an impact.
Tim Doyle- St. John's, 2003
Michael Thompson- Duke, 2004Bernard Cote- Kentucky, 2004Jason Okresik- Rice, 2005
And sitting out this year is Nicolas Cerina, a transfer from TCU.
Transfers out of the program include Nikola Baran and Kyle Rowley.

> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> From: dmangoub at aol.com
> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:26:06 -0500
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  My mistake about Coble. I intended to write this note after Coble's name but forgot to: I think Carmody had a lot to do with Coble leaving so they are both to blame.
> 
> True about Walters and Carlisle but I said what could have been. Sad to say Carlisle won an NIT title(yes it is meaningless though we would all be happy if the Cats won an NIT title) with California and Walters got to the Final Four with Kansas and ended up getting drafted in the NBA. Neither would have accomplished that with Northwestern. If they left Northwestern to ride the bench it would have been stupid. Saying that I don't want any talent to ever leave Northwestern and welcome transfers.
> 
> We don't pout when we get transfers such as Kyle Prater(USC), Jeff Roehl(Notre Dame) and JohnHenry Pace(University of Miami). All I can recall right now. Don't recall any basketball player transfers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
> To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>; David Mangoubi <dmangoub at aol.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 9:58 am
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
> 
> 
> <Shon Morris
> 
> <Kevin Coble
> 
> <What could have been with Rex Walters and Geno Carlisle.
> 
> Shon's not a bad choice, but Rex and Geno deserted the sinking ship and don't deserve the ignominy of being on an all-time Northwestern basketball list.  I mentioned Coble in my post.
>   
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
>   
> 
> 
>   
> -----Original   Message-----
> From: joe amore <hudhaifa3 at aol.com>
> To: tbng <tbng at comcast.net>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Mon,   Jan 30, 2012 9:22 am
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball   team
> 
>   
> 
> Kevin Rankin....(center) backup
> 
> Jitim Young....
> 
> Cedric Neloms.....
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
> To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 4:13 pm
> Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
> 
> 
> While we're at it, why not an all-time Cat basketball team?
>  
>  
> Center - Evan Eschmeyer
> Guard (shooting) - Billy McKinney
> Guard (point) - Juice Thompson
> Forward (power) - Don Adams
> Forward (shooting) - John Shurna
> Bench (guard) - Terry Gambert, Jim Burns
> Bench (forward) - Tim Doyle, Vedran Vukusic
> Bench (center) - Kyle Rowley (OK, I'm joking.  Face it.  Other than Esch, we've 
> ever had a good center)
> Coach: Morice Fredrick Winter (and even he wasn't very successful at NU)
>  
> Eschmeyer and McKinney are no-brainers, but some of you may be asking, "Don and 
> erry who?"  For you youngsters, Adams was a 6' 6" wi-i-i-ide-body from the late 
> 60s who spent a number of years as an NBA journeyman thanks to his rebounding 
> nd defensive skills.  He remains the only true power forward in my memory to 
> ver play for Northwestern and may be the school's best pure rebounder of all 
> ime.  He didn't score much, but he kept the other team from scoring, especially 
> n put-backs.  Could we ever use him now!  Gambert, now a judge, was a slick 
> all-handler and adroit passer from the same era and could shoot as well.  Jim 
> urns likewise was from that same era, an all-Big 10 selection at guard his 
> enior year and enjoyed a cup or two of coffee in the NBA and the old ABA.  (He 
> s now an Illinois state's attorney and ran for governor in the 90s.  You know 
> e lost because he's not in jail.)  There should be a guy named Coble on this 
> oster, but he went from hero for how he tre
> ated his mother to the defecation list for deserting his team mates and blowing 
> he opportunity for a free master's degree.
> 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan 30 10:42:23 2012
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:42:23 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
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Message-ID: <194C3462ADBD431F8AB3C405EF1EBE69@dennismachine>

> We don't pout when we get transfers such as Kyle Prater(USC), Jeff 
> Roehl(Notre Dame) and JohnHenry Pace(University of Miami). All I can 
> recall right now. Don't recall any basketball player transfers.

Not too shocking.  There was a center transfer from Duke named Thompson, but 
he turned out to be a total dud. 


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Jan 30 11:05:06 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:05:06 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team
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I don't think that anyone could have made that shot.  Wasn't Shurna's
fault.  Just took too long for Sobo to get the ball upcourt.

Carmody is supposed to be the master at designing those last minute
plays.  The previous play to Hearn that tied the game is a good example.
But whatever he worked up on the board during the timeout after Hummel's
basket was too well defended.

It should not have come down to that last shot anyway.  Game was lost
because NU failed to take care of the basketball (16 turnovers 21
points).

After playing a great game against MSU, this team has lost its way and
forgotten how to win. We used to be able to blame it on Luka, but he is
now a non-entity.  The blame has to ultimately fall to Carmody and the
coaching staff.  There is clearly enough talent on this team to win, but
there doesn't appear to be enough mental toughness and leadership to go
out and grab an opportunity when they get it.  Against Purdue, they kept
coming back and coming back, but just couldn't get over the hump.  Sobo
is a great kid, and will be a great player for NU, but down the stretch
here we are really missing Thompson.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Scott Zeller, M.D.
Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 10:55 AM
To: Dennis W. Brandt
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All time cat B-Ball team

Jim Stack would have made that last shot to beat Purdue on Saturday.

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 7:55 AM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
wrote:

>
> <Kevin Rankin....(center) backup
> <Jitim Young....
> <Cedric Neloms.....
>
>
> I couldn't remember Kevin Rankin's name to save my life.  However, I
did
> remember that he was plodding and couldn't rebound well in a crowd
despite
> being 6' 11" and BI-I-I-IG.  Yes, he is second in rebounding all-time
at NU
> to Eschmeyer, but Jim Pitts is fourth, and the fact that he is
demonstrates
> just how bad we've been at this position.  I  suppose Rankin is as
good as
> anyone for a backup center.
>
> I considered Jitim.  He was physical, worked his butt off, and could
> ignite a spark coming off the bench, but he would have made a better
> football player.
>
> I probably should have considered Jim Stack.
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 30 13:11:39 2012
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:11:39 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time fb list
Message-ID: <1857293385-1327950700-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1258060474-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

I am late to this but:

1) John Duvic was one hell of a kicker. And was their a better clutch kick that that long one Tim Long made at Madison in 2000 that started that team's surge? 

2) Lee Gissandaner was the most exciting player I ever saw play for NU. 

3) I love Persa but at QB I go with Kustok. He had more moxie than any of them. 2001 was not his fault. 

4) Too bad Tim McGarigle has to "play behind" Fitz. 

5) Missouri over Dailey? 

Bw
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From hudhaifa3 at aol.com  Mon Jan 30 13:33:02 2012
From: hudhaifa3 at aol.com (joe amore)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:33:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time fb list
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Agree with you about Gissendaner... One of my All-Time Fav CATS!!!!
I believe he led the nation in punt returns one year with like a 24 yd avg return.


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Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 8:19 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time fb list


I am late to this but:

1) John Duvic was one hell of a kicker. And was their a better clutch kick that 
that long one Tim Long made at Madison in 2000 that started that team's surge? 

2) Lee Gissandaner was the most exciting player I ever saw play for NU. 

3) I love Persa but at QB I go with Kustok. He had more moxie than any of them. 
2001 was not his fault. 

4) Too bad Tim McGarigle has to "play behind" Fitz. 

5) Missouri over Dailey? 

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From carljrossi at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 13:57:32 2012
From: carljrossi at gmail.com (Carl Rossi)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:57:32 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time fb list
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What about considering Steve Schnur for the QB list? Who else ever led NU
to two Big 10 titles?

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:11 AM, <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am late to this but:
>
> 1) John Duvic was one hell of a kicker. And was their a better clutch kick
> that that long one Tim Long made at Madison in 2000 that started that
> team's surge?
>
> 2) Lee Gissandaner was the most exciting player I ever saw play for NU.
>
> 3) I love Persa but at QB I go with Kustok. He had more moxie than any of
> them. 2001 was not his fault.
>
> 4) Too bad Tim McGarigle has to "play behind" Fitz.
>
> 5) Missouri over Dailey?
>
> Bw
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Mon Jan 30 13:59:07 2012
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:59:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Something to argue over
Message-ID: <30673.429ee400.3c58508b@aol.com>

My best man was a former Air Force pilot that flew B 25 bombers over  North 
Africa and Italy during WWII. After the war he played one season with the  
Cleveland Rams before they went to L. A. During the season they practiced 
three  days a week and the days when he wasn't at practice he worked for the 
State  Highway Administration in Ohio, a job that was arranged by the  Rams.
Don Williams
C55
 
 
In a message dated 1/30/2012 8:15:30 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
tbng at comcast.net writes:

Many pro  football players then had real jobs in the off-season and 
didn't spend  their time making themselves into physical specimens.  



From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Mon Jan 30 21:21:18 2012
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:21:18 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Trying to Get Prater Eligible
Message-ID: <6BB75967-C894-424B-8CA8-04E08ADE833C@gmail.com>

Don't want to get anyone's hopes up, but......
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-northwestern-lands-wr-transfer-kyle-prater-20120128,0,4062983.story

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 31 09:49:53 2012
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 10:49:53 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] BC's Injury Woes...
Message-ID: <000701cce02f$fa35b410$eea11c30$@com>

So it looks like Jershon Cobb is going to be out for a while - nothing wrong with his hip
that they can find, but like yours-truly, sometimes there is this pain that just won't go
away.

My being sidelined doesn't help or hurt the Cat's plan, but apparently, Cobb was expected
to step up and be the 3rd big scorer for the 2011-12 Wildcats. 

In an article yesterday, Teddy Greenstein also points out that Sobolewski appears to have
hit the ol' Frosh Wall, altho I'm not sure he's just not playing against people who have
watched his tapes enough to find the holes in his Freshman's game. Greenstein also noted
that the Center position has virtually disappeared from the box score and both Luka (bad
ankle) and now Davide can't seem to put the ball in the hole.

All this injury stuff leaves a heavy burden on Hearn, who wasn't expected to start, and
Marcotullio, who started the season as NU's off the bench "Mad Bomber."

And it has got to be frustrating for Crawford and Shurna - whenever they get double
teamed, it means someone else should be open, but the guys who should be open either
aren't (either), or miss the shot.

In any case, from here it looks like NU with 4 weeks left, is once again, one man short of
being a true winner.

As the psalmist said, "How long, O Lord..."

rsl

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jan 31 11:07:32 2012
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:07:32 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] BC's Injury Woes...
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To continue with the Biblical theme, I am coming to the conclusion that Carmody may not see the promised land.

He did get us out of the slavery of low expectations and for that deserves credit.

But, just like Aaron, it may be Hardy's turn to take over and actually lead us into the land of milk and honey.

Jeff

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From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
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Subject: [NU Sports] BC's Injury Woes...

So it looks like Jershon Cobb is going to be out for a while - nothing wrong with his hip
that they can find, but like yours-truly, sometimes there is this pain that just won't go
away.

My being sidelined doesn't help or hurt the Cat's plan, but apparently, Cobb was expected
to step up and be the 3rd big scorer for the 2011-12 Wildcats. 

In an article yesterday, Teddy Greenstein also points out that Sobolewski appears to have
hit the ol' Frosh Wall, altho I'm not sure he's just not playing against people who have
watched his tapes enough to find the holes in his Freshman's game. Greenstein also noted
that the Center position has virtually disappeared from the box score and both Luka (bad
ankle) and now Davide can't seem to put the ball in the hole.

All this injury stuff leaves a heavy burden on Hearn, who wasn't expected to start, and
Marcotullio, who started the season as NU's off the bench "Mad Bomber."

And it has got to be frustrating for Crawford and Shurna - whenever they get double
teamed, it means someone else should be open, but the guys who should be open either
aren't (either), or miss the shot.

In any case, from here it looks like NU with 4 weeks left, is once again, one man short of
being a true winner.

As the psalmist said, "How long, O Lord..."

rsl

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