[NU Sports] Sun Times' Columnist puts his finger on the Ill-noise"problem"

Aaron Ament aaronsament at gmail.com
Thu Feb 23 17:42:55 CST 2012 

Duke, Wake Forest, Notre Dame. 


On Feb 23, 2012, at 5:09 PM, hakirsch at aol.com wrote:

> Which 3 schools and what is the SAT standard differential that you claim is" significant" ?
> 
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Ament <aaronsament at gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 16:47:33 
> To: hakirsch at aol.com<hakirsch at aol.com>
> Cc: Peter C. Warner<pcw at warnerpatents.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Arthur Miller<artmiller1 at gmail.com>; chuck herron<cherron604 at aol.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sun Times' Columnist puts his finger on    the Ill-noise"problem"
> 
> All schools listed have significantly lower academic admissions standards for their basketball team.  Obviously it would be easier to recruit academically qualified recruits if we signed a couple all Americans that didn't have the SAT score standards our recruits are held to, as we all know too well has happened at at least 3 of the schools you mentioned...
> 
> With that said, we still have a very good shot at the tournament if we win Saturday...
> 
> On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:18 PM, hakirsch at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> You guys have convinced me that BC should go. My standards had been lowered because of how horrible we were during my college years in the mid to late 70's and beyond. But with a larger NCAA field and mostly easy NC games we look better with our record and NIT invites.  
>> 
>> Our academic competitors Stanford,Duke Vandy, WF ?,ND, all have put together very competitive teams over the years. Maybe not every year for them, but most of them and certainly they can claim much better success since 1968 when we last had a winning conference record  
>> 
>> And remember our back yard of Chicago is a basketball mecca. So even if academics nullifies some of them, we sure must have eligible talent that we are being   outrecruited against
>> 
>> Harry
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Peter C. Warner" <pcw at warnerpatents.com>
>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2012 11:45:39 
>> To: 'Arthur Miller'<artmiller1 at gmail.com>; 'chuck herron'<cherron604 at aol.com>; 'Northwestern Wildcats'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sun Times' Columnist puts his finger on
>>   the    Ill-noise"problem"
>> 
>> You can Carmody because the 20-win seasons are based on a schedule of
>> pre-Big Ten season full of cupcakes.  After 12 seasons, his Big Ten record
>> (no season over .500?) cannot be viewed as a success.  
>> Like bowl appearances for a 6-6 team, four straight NIT appearances are made
>> possible by an ever-expanding NCAA field.
>> Chuck succinctly stated the problem and the solution:  Carmody cannot
>> recruit.  Fire him.
>> NU had reached a ceiling with Francis Peay. So, Peay's contract was not
>> renewed and NU hired an asst. coach from Colorado that, if nothing else, at
>> least gave NU hope that the future might get better.  
>> Give Hardy a chance or clean house entirely and hire someone else.  At least
>> give NU some hope.
>> -Peter Warner
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
>> Behalf Of Arthur Miller
>> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:59 AM
>> To: chuck herron; Northwestern Wildcats
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sun Times' Columnist puts his finger on the
>> Ill-noise"problem"
>> 
>> Your conclusion is true, but the problem is that BC has a realistic shot at
>> making it 3 straight 20-win seasons and four straight NIT appearances.  How
>> does it look if we can him with the program showing clear improvement from
>> its historical level of performance?  The only thing worse than an
>> under-achieving program is an under-achieving program with unrealistic
>> expectations.
>> -Art Miller
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2012 at 6:07 PM, chuck herron <cherron604 at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> When will we stop making excuses for Bill Carmody ?  He is now in his 
>>> twelth season as NU coach.  Maybe his 'system' of getting lower-ranked 
>>> prospects to (sometimes) play at a very high level' is why they can 
>>> overachieve one game, and fall flat the next ?  Or maybe NU has been 
>>> losing for so long on the court ?  Gary Barnett took a program that 
>>> had been losing forever, and in 5 seasons, took them to 2 Big Ten 
>>> titles.  And Barnett was not getting the highest-ranked prospects, but 
>>> he certainly got consistent overachievement from his players.
>>> 
>>> We have to face facts - Carmody has, over twelve seasons, not 
>>> recruited sufficiently talented players, and has not gotten them to 
>>> over-achieve on a consistent basis.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chuck Herron
>>> cherron604 at aol.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: hakirsch <hakirsch at aol.com>
>>> To: Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; nwu-sports-bounces < 
>>> nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Roy S. Lamberton 
>>> <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
>>> Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2012 8:50 am
>>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sun Times' Columnist puts his finger on the  
>>> Ill-noise"problem"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Time to run the table. We have the capability to do that even with the 
>>> blowout loss to the Bucks earlier
>>> 
>>> Harry
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
>>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2012 06:39:45
>>> To: Roy S. Lamberton<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
>>> Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sun Times' Columnist puts his finger on the
>>>      Ill-noise"problem"
>>> 
>>> I think that we just got beat by a better team last night.
>>> 
>>> UoM had every reason the let down after beating OSU, bit didn't.
>>> 
>>> They just played better D than us.
>>> 
>>> They forced us out of our game by aggressively defending the three and 
>>> switching on all screens.
>>> 
>>> They were able to get their three point shooters open looks  against 
>>> our D and those kids made their shots.
>>> 
>>> We had them in foul trouble early, but they fixed that in the second half.
>>> 
>>> Sobo had another tough game, but you really can't blame this on him. 
>>> All our kids gave max effort and just ran out of gas in OT.
>>> 
>>> It was a very tough loss, because a win was there for the taking. Just 
>>> turned out that UoM was the one who took it.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2012, at 6:18 AM, "Roy S. Lamberton" 
>>> <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> "So the question at the heart of Weber's demise is this: Why is it 
>>>> so
>>> much
>>> more difficult
>>>> to get better players to overachieve? Maybe Weber is just more adept 
>>>> at
>>> getting more out
>>>> of less. But you also have to consider this possibility: Maybe good
>>> players
>>> are harder to
>>>> coach today. Maybe the increasing influence of AAU programs in the
>>> development
>>> of young
>>>> players - and the decreasing influence of high school coaches - 
>>>> instills
>>> a
>>> sense of
>>>> entitlement in talented players that makes it difficult for a coach 
>>>> like
>>> Bruce
>>> Weber to
>>>> get through to them."
>>>> Full Sun Times column:
>>>> 
>>> http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/10784671-419/what-went-wrong-w
>>> ith-bruce-weber-at-i
>>>> llinois.html
>>>> 
>>>> And maybe NU's (Bill Carmody's) system of getting lower ranked 
>>>> prospects
>>> to
>>> (sometimes)
>>>> play at a very high level is why NU can overachieving one game, and 
>>>> fall
>>> flat
>>> the next?
>>>> 
>>>> Or maybe it is just that NU has been losing for so long on the court...
>>>> 
>>>> Kelly Amonte-Hiller didn't have that baggage when she took came in 
>>>> to
>>> start
>>> the Women's
>>>> Lacrosse program. She had her personal tradition of winning (from
>>> Maryland)
>>> and never had
>>>> to face the "never been there" syndrome that always seem to lurk in 
>>>> the
>>> background at
>>>> Welsh-Ryan.
>>>> 
>>>> I know that once you lose that "winning" feeling, it can take a long
>>> time to
>>> get it back.
>>>> If you've never had a real winner, creating a winner is even harder.
>>>> 
>>>> rsl
>>>> 
>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not those of any 
>>>> organizations of which I am a member.
>>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate.
>>>> Computer Applications & Support Associates Coach Roy's Random 
>>>> Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
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>>>> 
>>>> 
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