From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Nov  1 08:00:31 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:00:31 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Happy Halloween!
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This is one of Ray Villafane's creations.  

Here's a link if you'd like to learn a little more about this
interesting guy. He used to teach art in Bellaire MI, near our summer
place.  A couple of years ago he moved to Pheonix.

Jeff 

http://villafanestudios.com/


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 4:09 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Happy Halloween!

The list software doesn't support graphics, but this one is just
too cute not to send out a link to:

http://romaine.tssi.com/FootballPunkin.jpg
--
Mike Nolan

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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Tue Nov  1 09:13:34 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:13:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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Personally, I think we'll get thumped, but not like the Alamo Bowl.  I see 24-48, but if somehow pull of the upset, it'll be some sort of bombastic score like we saw on Saturday.  Eric


-----Original Message-----
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To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:29 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers



e are 17-1/2 point 'dogs to Nebraska.  But that's nothing,, as Mich At. ia 
avored by 28 at home over Gophers, Wisky by 26-1/2 at home to Boilers, Buckeyes 
y 27-1/2 over Hoosiers at the Shoe.   Guess the bookies think our offensive 
rowess will keep us "close".  This would be a great time for us to come up with 
ur seminal performance of the year--both to have realistic shot at becoming 
owl eligible, and because Nebraska is currently ranked 10th in BCS Standings, 
nd No.9 in AP and USA Top 25's.  If we were ever going to get a signature win 
o boost the program's and Fitz's profile, this would be the week to do it.  I 
now it's probably a pipe dream, since we just can't seem to stop anybody with 
he ball, but our offense really got its Mojo on Saturday, and did so without 
bert playing much of a role.  Usually, he is getting the lion's share of first 
owns and TD's, so I consider his secondary role at Bloomington a very positive 
ign.  Then again Indiana's D has about as m
uch in common with Nebraska's D as our D does.:-)  But, what the hey--at least 
e got to savor a "W" the past 2 days--a "Good Feelin' to Know", as POCO once 
ang.
Meanwhile, in the only conference game that Vegas feels is competitive, Wolves 
avored by 4-1/2 in Iowa City.  After their debacle in Minneapolis, the Hawkeyes 
re now fighting for their season.
Paul Levinson

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Nov  1 09:52:24 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:52:24 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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 <8CE66B7932F1D66-EF4-BFFC6@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com>
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I think it is wonderful to have hope.

Our key to victory is stopping the run.  Don't know whether we will have
all the horses we need on the Dline to do that, but clearly UNL is
vulnerable if they can't run.

If we are able to stop or at least slow down their running attack, on
offense we have to take care of the ball, be patient, and take what
their defense will give us.

So avoid giving up the big play on defense and make them pass.
Hopefully we can move the ball, keep them off balance, and play most of
the game on their end of the field.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Eric Kunkel
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:14 AM
To: neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers


Personally, I think we'll get thumped, but not like the Alamo Bowl.  I
see 24-48, but if somehow pull of the upset, it'll be some sort of
bombastic score like we saw on Saturday.  Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:29 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers



e are 17-1/2 point 'dogs to Nebraska.  But that's nothing,, as Mich At.
ia 
avored by 28 at home over Gophers, Wisky by 26-1/2 at home to Boilers,
Buckeyes 
y 27-1/2 over Hoosiers at the Shoe.   Guess the bookies think our
offensive 
rowess will keep us "close".  This would be a great time for us to come
up with 
ur seminal performance of the year--both to have realistic shot at
becoming 
owl eligible, and because Nebraska is currently ranked 10th in BCS
Standings, 
nd No.9 in AP and USA Top 25's.  If we were ever going to get a
signature win 
o boost the program's and Fitz's profile, this would be the week to do
it.  I 
now it's probably a pipe dream, since we just can't seem to stop anybody
with 
he ball, but our offense really got its Mojo on Saturday, and did so
without 
bert playing much of a role.  Usually, he is getting the lion's share of
first 
owns and TD's, so I consider his secondary role at Bloomington a very
positive 
ign.  Then again Indiana's D has about as m
uch in common with Nebraska's D as our D does.:-)  But, what the hey--at
least 
e got to savor a "W" the past 2 days--a "Good Feelin' to Know", as POCO
once 
ang.
Meanwhile, in the only conference game that Vegas feels is competitive,
Wolves 
avored by 4-1/2 in Iowa City.  After their debacle in Minneapolis, the
Hawkeyes 
re now fighting for their season.
Paul Levinson

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov  1 10:10:46 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:10:46 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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References: <8CE665539875CF3-8F4-119302@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com>
 <8CE66B7932F1D66-EF4-BFFC6@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC013BC0@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <004301cc98a8$6fad7c70$4f087550$@com>

There is a slight "revenge" factor also - last time we met we took a thumping as UNL came
out and ran 3 different offenses on 3 successive possessions. My son watched the first
quarter, stood up and said, "You're going to lose" and went to visit friends.

But UNL is a 2 man option team now, at least that's what I've seen over the past couple of
weeks, and they have to be looking to the next week's game. Usually that gives us an
advantage for a half - the key is continuing to play the way we did in Bloomington.

Remember that we did contain State Penn in the 2nd half, some of their fans remarked to me
after the game that they were slightly concerned that we would get hot and catch up.
Somehow the D has to stop the play action stuff, something that UNL does do well.

However, it's all about speed and NU almost needs to go back to RW's mantra of "Bigger,
Stronger, faster." 

IMHO - Dunsmore's effort last weekend maybe will take some of the pressure off Ebert,
which will be good, but Persa has to be super sharp this week, and a little extra blocking
won't hurt either.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:52 AM
To: Eric Kunkel; neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I think it is wonderful to have hope.

Our key to victory is stopping the run.  Don't know whether we will have
all the horses we need on the Dline to do that, but clearly UNL is
vulnerable if they can't run.

If we are able to stop or at least slow down their running attack, on
offense we have to take care of the ball, be patient, and take what
their defense will give us.

So avoid giving up the big play on defense and make them pass.
Hopefully we can move the ball, keep them off balance, and play most of
the game on their end of the field.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Eric Kunkel
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:14 AM
To: neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers


Personally, I think we'll get thumped, but not like the Alamo Bowl.  I
see 24-48, but if somehow pull of the upset, it'll be some sort of
bombastic score like we saw on Saturday.  Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:29 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers



e are 17-1/2 point 'dogs to Nebraska.  But that's nothing,, as Mich At.
ia 
avored by 28 at home over Gophers, Wisky by 26-1/2 at home to Boilers,
Buckeyes 
y 27-1/2 over Hoosiers at the Shoe.   Guess the bookies think our
offensive 
rowess will keep us "close".  This would be a great time for us to come
up with 
ur seminal performance of the year--both to have realistic shot at
becoming 
owl eligible, and because Nebraska is currently ranked 10th in BCS
Standings, 
nd No.9 in AP and USA Top 25's.  If we were ever going to get a
signature win 
o boost the program's and Fitz's profile, this would be the week to do
it.  I 
now it's probably a pipe dream, since we just can't seem to stop anybody
with 
he ball, but our offense really got its Mojo on Saturday, and did so
without 
bert playing much of a role.  Usually, he is getting the lion's share of
first 
owns and TD's, so I consider his secondary role at Bloomington a very
positive 
ign.  Then again Indiana's D has about as m
uch in common with Nebraska's D as our D does.:-)  But, what the hey--at
least 
e got to savor a "W" the past 2 days--a "Good Feelin' to Know", as POCO
once 
ang.
Meanwhile, in the only conference game that Vegas feels is competitive,
Wolves 
avored by 4-1/2 in Iowa City.  After their debacle in Minneapolis, the
Hawkeyes 
re now fighting for their season.
Paul Levinson

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Nov  1 10:42:11 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:42:11 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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 <8CE66B7932F1D66-EF4-BFFC6@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC013BC0@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <004301cc98a8$6fad7c70$4f087550$@com>
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I think that you are right that UNL will be looking ahead to the game against PSU. Given how they collapsed in Madison, they have to prove that they can win on the road in the BT. Hopefully they will keep any new offensive formations under wraps until they take the field in Happy Valley.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton [mailto:rstetson at capps-assoc.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:11 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; 'Eric Kunkel'; neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

There is a slight "revenge" factor also - last time we met we took a thumping as UNL came
out and ran 3 different offenses on 3 successive possessions. My son watched the first
quarter, stood up and said, "You're going to lose" and went to visit friends.

But UNL is a 2 man option team now, at least that's what I've seen over the past couple of
weeks, and they have to be looking to the next week's game. Usually that gives us an
advantage for a half - the key is continuing to play the way we did in Bloomington.

Remember that we did contain State Penn in the 2nd half, some of their fans remarked to me
after the game that they were slightly concerned that we would get hot and catch up.
Somehow the D has to stop the play action stuff, something that UNL does do well.

However, it's all about speed and NU almost needs to go back to RW's mantra of "Bigger,
Stronger, faster." 

IMHO - Dunsmore's effort last weekend maybe will take some of the pressure off Ebert,
which will be good, but Persa has to be super sharp this week, and a little extra blocking
won't hurt either.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:52 AM
To: Eric Kunkel; neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I think it is wonderful to have hope.

Our key to victory is stopping the run.  Don't know whether we will have
all the horses we need on the Dline to do that, but clearly UNL is
vulnerable if they can't run.

If we are able to stop or at least slow down their running attack, on
offense we have to take care of the ball, be patient, and take what
their defense will give us.

So avoid giving up the big play on defense and make them pass.
Hopefully we can move the ball, keep them off balance, and play most of
the game on their end of the field.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Eric Kunkel
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:14 AM
To: neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers


Personally, I think we'll get thumped, but not like the Alamo Bowl.  I
see 24-48, but if somehow pull of the upset, it'll be some sort of
bombastic score like we saw on Saturday.  Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:29 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers



e are 17-1/2 point 'dogs to Nebraska.  But that's nothing,, as Mich At.
ia 
avored by 28 at home over Gophers, Wisky by 26-1/2 at home to Boilers,
Buckeyes 
y 27-1/2 over Hoosiers at the Shoe.   Guess the bookies think our
offensive 
rowess will keep us "close".  This would be a great time for us to come
up with 
ur seminal performance of the year--both to have realistic shot at
becoming 
owl eligible, and because Nebraska is currently ranked 10th in BCS
Standings, 
nd No.9 in AP and USA Top 25's.  If we were ever going to get a
signature win 
o boost the program's and Fitz's profile, this would be the week to do
it.  I 
now it's probably a pipe dream, since we just can't seem to stop anybody
with 
he ball, but our offense really got its Mojo on Saturday, and did so
without 
bert playing much of a role.  Usually, he is getting the lion's share of
first 
owns and TD's, so I consider his secondary role at Bloomington a very
positive 
ign.  Then again Indiana's D has about as m
uch in common with Nebraska's D as our D does.:-)  But, what the hey--at
least 
e got to savor a "W" the past 2 days--a "Good Feelin' to Know", as POCO
once 
ang.
Meanwhile, in the only conference game that Vegas feels is competitive,
Wolves 
avored by 4-1/2 in Iowa City.  After their debacle in Minneapolis, the
Hawkeyes 
re now fighting for their season.
Paul Levinson

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  1 10:55:06 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 08:55:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <004301cc98a8$6fad7c70$4f087550$@com>
References: <8CE665539875CF3-8F4-119302@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com>
 <8CE66B7932F1D66-EF4-BFFC6@webmail-d005.sysops.aol.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC013BC0@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <004301cc98a8$6fad7c70$4f087550$@com>
Message-ID: <1320162906.29638.YahooMailNeo@web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

> key is continuing to play the way we did in?

> Bloomington.

If our offense plays like they did against Indiana, we might have a chance.?The problem is that if our defense plays the way the did against Indiana, Nebraska will score 70 by the end of the 3rd quarter.?

The good news is that Nebraska's offense is not good at long drives, or at converting 3rd downs. So a decent defense has a chance to force a lot of punts.?

But Nebraska is really good at popping big plays, both in the passing game and in the running game, and big plays have been the Cats' weakness all season long. That's scary.?

Special teams scare me as well. Our kickoffs seem to have been getting shorter and shorter as the year goes on, which is not a good thing given we'll be kicking off to Abdullah. And it's usually Burkhead fielding punts--that's scary too.?


We'll need a better outing by far than we've seen from the D and special teams all year. I'm actually somewhat optimistic that it might happen, but the Indiana game sure doesn't give me much confidence along those lines.?

I wonder if NU will run its usual tempo on offense, or try to shorten the game by burning a lot of clock? The latter might be a smart approach.?

Nebraska actually runs up-tempo a lot of the time as well, so it could get pretty crazy if both teams stick to that pace.?

Tom

From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov  1 11:59:27 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 11:59:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <1320162906.29638.YahooMailNeo@web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111101165927.421CD64845@romaine.tssi.com>

> The good news is that Nebraska's offense is not good at long drives, or at 
> converting 3rd downs. So a decent defense has a chance to force a lot of punts

Nebraska is 44th in 3rd down efficiency, converting 50 of 114 attempts,
or 43.86%.  They have punted 29 times.  They are 9th in red zone efficiency, 
scoring 24 TDs and 10 field goals in 37 red zone opportunities (92%)

Northwestern is 16th in 3rd down efficiency, converting 55 of 111 attempts, 
or 49.55%.  They have punted 33 times.  They are 80th in red zone 
efficiency, with 29 TDs and 3 field goals in 41 red zone opportunities. (78%)

Nebraska has thrown 3 more interceptions than Northwestern (7 vs 4).  
Northwestern has 2 more interceptions on defense than Nebraska (8 vs 6).

Both teams have lost 4 fumbles.  

Nebraska has been flagged 57 times this season, Northwestern 37 times.

But statistics don't win games. :-)
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov  1 12:05:07 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:05:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <20111101165927.421CD64845@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <20111101170507.28A4761331@romaine.tssi.com>

FWIW, my wife went to work yesterday (at UNL) in a red and purple
shirt that says "Northraska' on one side and 'Nebwestern' on the
other.
--
Mike Nolan


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  1 12:18:41 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:18:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <20111101165927.421CD64845@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1320162906.29638.YahooMailNeo@web161002.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <20111101165927.421CD64845@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1320167921.65883.YahooMailNeo@web161018.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

The good news is that the Nebraska D has not been good on 3rd downs this year, allowing 42.28%, tied for 88th.?

Sadly, NU ranks 111th, allowing (gulp) 50% on 3rd down.?

The other defensive stats are similarly discouraging (we're 100th in pass efficiency D, tied for 90th in scoring D).?

Tom


From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Nov  1 12:19:55 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:19:55 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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I suggest the only chance we have this Saturday is if the Nebraska team bus 
is involved in a high-speed head-on with a semi on the way to the stadium. 
I will be shocked, albeit happy, if we give up less than 45 points.  We 
ain't got the horses on D to stop Indiana much less Nebraska, and I doubt 
we'll score 46.  I'd be happy to be wrong on this one rare occasion.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Maycock" <tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers


> key is continuing to play the way we did in

> Bloomington.

If our offense plays like they did against Indiana, we might have a chance. 
The problem is that if our defense plays the way the did against Indiana, 
Nebraska will score 70 by the end of the 3rd quarter.

The good news is that Nebraska's offense is not good at long drives, or at 
converting 3rd downs. So a decent defense has a chance to force a lot of 
punts.

But Nebraska is really good at popping big plays, both in the passing game 
and in the running game, and big plays have been the Cats' weakness all 
season long. That's scary.

Special teams scare me as well. Our kickoffs seem to have been getting 
shorter and shorter as the year goes on, which is not a good thing given 
we'll be kicking off to Abdullah. And it's usually Burkhead fielding 
punts--that's scary too.


We'll need a better outing by far than we've seen from the D and special 
teams all year. I'm actually somewhat optimistic that it might happen, but 
the Indiana game sure doesn't give me much confidence along those lines.

I wonder if NU will run its usual tempo on offense, or try to shorten the 
game by burning a lot of clock? The latter might be a smart approach.

Nebraska actually runs up-tempo a lot of the time as well, so it could get 
pretty crazy if both teams stick to that pace.

Tom
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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Nov  1 12:56:49 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:56:49 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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Generally in sports, and especially in football, defense does (win games). Oy!
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
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Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
Sent: Nov 1, 2011 12:59 PM

> The good news is that Nebraska's offense is not good at long drives, or at 
> converting 3rd downs. So a decent defense has a chance to force a lot of punts

Nebraska is 44th in 3rd down efficiency, converting 50 of 114 attempts,
or 43.86%.  They have punted 29 times.  They are 9th in red zone efficiency, 
scoring 24 TDs and 10 field goals in 37 red zone opportunities (92%)

Northwestern is 16th in 3rd down efficiency, converting 55 of 111 attempts, 
or 49.55%.  They have punted 33 times.  They are 80th in red zone 
efficiency, with 29 TDs and 3 field goals in 41 red zone opportunities. (78%)

Nebraska has thrown 3 more interceptions than Northwestern (7 vs 4).  
Northwestern has 2 more interceptions on defense than Nebraska (8 vs 6).

Both teams have lost 4 fumbles.  

Nebraska has been flagged 57 times this season, Northwestern 37 times.

But statistics don't win games. :-)
--
Mike Nolan

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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  1 14:32:12 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:32:12 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I enjoy the optimistic posts ....
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... And they lift my spirit because I think NU is going to get obliterated. Badly. 

The offense was fun to watch last week yes. But Indiana is nothing like Nebraska. I can see the offense scoring 28 points max, NU's usual top number against a decent team. 

But Nebraska might have 28 points by the end of the first quarter -- mostly because NU can't tackle anybody. You can talk schemes and blitzes all you want but if you cannot tackle, esp. against a team like Nebraska, you are doomed. 

63-28 sounds about right to me. Hope I am wrong. 

Brad Wilson

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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Nov  1 14:54:31 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:54:31 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] I enjoy the optimistic posts ....
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One thing that should help this week: DE Tyler Scott & LB Bryce McNaul
returning from injuries (shoulder and back, respectively) that kept them
out of the last two games.  Sack-adjusted yards per carry averages from
first six games (with them in the lineup): 4.4 & last 2 games (without):
6.1.  Also note that Michigan's offense is somewhat like Nebraska's in that
they focus on the run, have some explosive runners, and throw the long ball
off of that - NU held Michigan to a respectable 3.6 yards per carry.  If
they can somehow repeat that while getting DBs somewhere near receivers, NU
will at least have a shot (Martinez is far from a polished passer and makes
his share of mistakes).

On the other side, do note that NU has racked up some impressive offensive
numbers (currently 3rd in the conference in scoring offense counting only
Big Ten games - while facing the top 2 scoring D's and another in the top
half of the conference) while Nebraska had some issues shutting teams down
earlier in the year.

A few other numbers to chew on: NU is 7-5 as road underdogs since 2008, 7-4
in November (and 4-2 on the road in Nov).

Go 'Cats!!!
Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
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Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> ... And they lift my spirit because I think NU is going to get
> obliterated. Badly.
>
> The offense was fun to watch last week yes. But Indiana is nothing like
> Nebraska. I can see the offense scoring 28 points max, NU's usual top
> number against a decent team.
>
> But Nebraska might have 28 points by the end of the first quarter --
> mostly because NU can't tackle anybody. You can talk schemes and blitzes
> all you want but if you cannot tackle, esp. against a team like Nebraska,
> you are doomed.
>
> 63-28 sounds about right to me. Hope I am wrong.
>
> Brad Wilson
>
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov  1 15:42:25 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:42:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Optimism/Pessimism
Message-ID: <20111101204225.5C52C64850@romaine.tssi.com>

Some of the posts on this list recently remind me of the old Art Linkletter
show where he asked little kids to complete this phrase:

"It's always darkest just before"

One young boy responded:

"it gets totally black."

COULD Northwestern win this game?  Yes, but it would take a superior
effort by both the offense and the defense, plus a below par performance
by Nebraska on both offense and defense.

So far, we haven't seen that kind of 60 minute effort, especially on
defense.  Comparison to the '08 - '10 seasons just point out the 
inability of the '11 team to close out a game, especially against
a good team.  

And Nebraska is a good team, though not quite an elite one.  (But even
elite teams have off days, ask Oklahoma.)  

Nebraska hasn't done a very good job covering the point spread this
year, and that may be one reason why the Cats are lesser underdogs than
several of our Big Ten brethren this coming Saturday.  

If the Cats get some early breaks and get ahead, which has been their
pattern this year, as opposed to recent years when their pattern was 
more often to fall behind and then fight back into the game, they will 
have a chance.  

If Martinez feels he needs to pass, then the Cats will need to prove that 
they can stop deep threats.  It may help that Martinez's passing mechanics 
are abysmal.  

Nebraska has blown its share of double-digit leads in the last few
years, too, but the Huskers are often like a python on defense, they just
slowly strangle their opponents.  
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov  1 16:48:22 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:48:22 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] The Really Big Question about Saturday....
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The BTN has had NU on their scoreboard all year.

What will they have up for UNL?

Will it be NU and NU?

This could be the biggie!

rsl

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From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 19:08:30 2011
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:08:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Optimism/Pessimism
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So tell us, Mike:  Who are *you* rooting for this weekend?  :-)



On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> Some of the posts on this list recently remind me of the old Art Linkletter
> show where he asked little kids to complete this phrase:
>
> "It's always darkest just before"
>
> One young boy responded:
>
> "it gets totally black."
>
> COULD Northwestern win this game?  Yes, but it would take a superior
> effort by both the offense and the defense, plus a below par performance
> by Nebraska on both offense and defense.
>
> So far, we haven't seen that kind of 60 minute effort, especially on
> defense.  Comparison to the '08 - '10 seasons just point out the
> inability of the '11 team to close out a game, especially against
> a good team.
>
> And Nebraska is a good team, though not quite an elite one.  (But even
> elite teams have off days, ask Oklahoma.)
>
> Nebraska hasn't done a very good job covering the point spread this
> year, and that may be one reason why the Cats are lesser underdogs than
> several of our Big Ten brethren this coming Saturday.
>
> If the Cats get some early breaks and get ahead, which has been their
> pattern this year, as opposed to recent years when their pattern was
> more often to fall behind and then fight back into the game, they will
> have a chance.
>
> If Martinez feels he needs to pass, then the Cats will need to prove that
> they can stop deep threats.  It may help that Martinez's passing mechanics
> are abysmal.
>
> Nebraska has blown its share of double-digit leads in the last few
> years, too, but the Huskers are often like a python on defense, they just
> slowly strangle their opponents.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  1 21:08:32 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:08:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings 'n' Polls
Message-ID: <1320199712.65169.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

We've rounded the corner into the home stretch of November, and there's still plenty of room to move up or down in the standings.?

First, the honor roll ...


UNANIMOUS PICKS

* IOWA over Minnesota ... oops!
* MICHIGAN over Purdue
* OKIE STATE over Baylor

UPSET SPECIALS
* OHIO STATE over Wisconsin - Picked by Bob Waldele and Ace McInturff
* GEORGIA TECH over Clemson - Picked by Jim Bendat, Kelly Sevilla, Thomas Kettler, Ace McInturff and John Hodges

And now, the big board ...

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -UPSETS-

TW??NAME ? ? ? ? ? ? ?WK 9 ? RECORD ? PCT. ? ?W9 ?OVRL ?WP
----------------------------------------------------------
?1) J. Morris? ? ? ? ? 5-5? ? 75-20? ?.789? ? ?0? ??4? ? 8
?2) J. Bendat? ? ? ? ? 8-2? ? 85-25? ?.773? ? ?1? ? 5?? ?9

?3) J. Leonard?????????---? ??69-21???.767?????0????3????7

?4) C. Herron? ? ? ? ? 7-3? ? 83-27? ?.755? ? ?0????1? ? 9

?5) T. McAdams? ? ? ? ?5-5? ? 74-26? ?.740? ???0????1? ? 8

?6) J. Hodges? ? ? ? ? 8-2? ? 81-29? ?.736? ? ?1? ? 3? ? 9

?7) A. Wolfson?????????6-4????79-31? ?.718? ? ?0????1? ? 9

?7) C. Zahn????? ? ? ? 5-5? ? 79-31? ?.718? ? ?0????2? ? 9

?9) I. Embrekts? ? ? ? 5-5? ? 78-32? ?.709? ? ?0????2? ? 9
10) T. Kettler?????????6-4? ??77-33? ?.700? ? ?1? ? 4? ? 9

10) E. Steffe??????????6-4? ??77-33? ?.700? ???0????1? ? 9

10) S. Truog? ? ? ? ? ?7-3? ? 77-33? ?.700? ???0????1? ? 910) B. Wilson??????????6-4? ??77-33? ?.700? ? ?0? ? 3? ? 9
14) K.?Sevilla? ? ? ? ?6-4?? ?75-35? ?.682? ? ?1? ? 5? ? 9

15) P. Wolfe? ? ? ? ? ?5-5? ? 64-31? ?.674? ? ?0? ??6??? 8

16) R. Stahl? ? ? ? ? ?5-5? ? 74-36? ?.673? ? ?0????3? ? 9

16) B. Waldele??? ? ? ?8-2? ? 74-36? ?.673? ? ?1? ? 2? ? 9
18) M. Ament? ? ? ? ? ?6-4? ??67-33? ?.670? ? ?0????1? ? 8
19) C. Rossi ? ? ? ? ? 6-4 ? ?63-32 ? .663 ? ? 0 ? ?2 ? ?8

20) A. McInturff???????7-3? ? 72-38? ?.655? ? ?2? ? 8? ? 9

?
Not eligible (must be in 2/3 of the weeks)
------------------------------------------
xx) S. Wolfson?????????---????49-21???.700?????0????4????5
xx) M. Zilka? ? ? ? ? ?---? ? 41-19???.683? ???0????0????5
xx) L. Martinaitis?????---????13- 2???.xxx?????0????1????1

xx) A. Farwig??????????---????10- 5???.xxx?????0????0????1

And finally, the latest poll ...?

SjTOP 25 COLLEGE RANKINGS

LWTWTEAM
0101ALABAMA (8-0) - The SEC is the kindest, warmest, gentlest conference I know.
0202LSU (8-0) - You know what I love? Tebow. Gritz. And Caaaaaaaam Newton. I heart the SEC!
0303BOISE STATE (7-0) - It's time to give the Broncos a shot at the title, because ...
0404STANFORD (8-0) - ... honestly, Stanford was not all impressive against SC (especially the D)
0505OKLAHOMA STATE (8-0) - Biding their time until they lose to rival Sooners again
1006NEBRASKA (7-1) - Big win against Sparty puts Huskers back in Big Ten driver's seat
1107OREGON (7-1) - Will get respect when they beat Stanford
1208OKLAHOMA (7-1) - Moped for a half and still routed K-State
1309PENN STATE (8-1) - Winning ugly is still winning ... two weeks to prep for Husker visit
1410ARKANSAS (7-1) - Cheap shotted Vandy and should have lost - overrated!1511SOUTH CAROLINA (7-1) - Injured, but if they can beat overrated Piggies, have shot at Atlanta
0612CLEMSON (8-1) - And the ACC's first shot at relevance in a decade goes ker-splat!1613VIRGINIA TECH (7-1) - Least impressive one-loss team perhaps?
1714MICHIGAN (7-1) - Winning in Iowa would set up a huge couple of home games at the end
2015HOUSTON (8-0) - ?I refuse to rank a team that barely beat UCLA any higher than 15
0716KANSAS STATE (7-1) - Going to get crushed again by Cowpokes this week
0817MICHIGAN STATE (6-2) - The gauntlet of four brutal games caught up with Sparty
0918WISCONSIN (6-2) - Badgers done in by a late heave yet again ... pity poor Purdoo next year
2219GEORGIA (6-2) - Need SC to lose, but looking good for ATL after beating Gators
2420ARIZONA STATE (6-2) - Waiting to see where they go to lose in the Pac 12 title game

... and that's it. I really need to cap these lists at 10 - there are slim pickins after ASU.

DROPPED OUT: (18) Texas A&M, (19) Iowa, (21) Texas Tech, (23) Illinois, (25) Southern Cal

Picks due by Saturday kickoff!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Tue Nov  1 23:37:11 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 21:37:11 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
Message-ID: <7098843.1320208631734.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

We will win. Our offense is the best that Neb has faced, and this will be a trap game for them (they face Penn State next week). Jim B.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
>Sent: Nov 1, 2011 7:13 AM
>To: neonrye at aol.com, nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
>
>
>Personally, I think we'll get thumped, but not like the Alamo Bowl.  I see 24-48, but if somehow pull of the upset, it'll be some sort of bombastic score like we saw on Saturday.  Eric
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
>To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
>Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:29 pm
>Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
>
>
>
>e are 17-1/2 point 'dogs to Nebraska.  But that's nothing,, as Mich At. ia 
>avored by 28 at home over Gophers, Wisky by 26-1/2 at home to Boilers, Buckeyes 
>y 27-1/2 over Hoosiers at the Shoe.   Guess the bookies think our offensive 
>rowess will keep us "close".  This would be a great time for us to come up with 
>ur seminal performance of the year--both to have realistic shot at becoming 
>owl eligible, and because Nebraska is currently ranked 10th in BCS Standings, 
>nd No.9 in AP and USA Top 25's.  If we were ever going to get a signature win 
>o boost the program's and Fitz's profile, this would be the week to do it.  I 
>now it's probably a pipe dream, since we just can't seem to stop anybody with 
>he ball, but our offense really got its Mojo on Saturday, and did so without 
>bert playing much of a role.  Usually, he is getting the lion's share of first 
>owns and TD's, so I consider his secondary role at Bloomington a very positive 
>ign.  Then again Indiana's D has about as m
>uch in common with Nebraska's D as our D does.:-)  But, what the hey--at least 
>e got to savor a "W" the past 2 days--a "Good Feelin' to Know", as POCO once 
>ang.
>Meanwhile, in the only conference game that Vegas feels is competitive, Wolves 
>avored by 4-1/2 in Iowa City.  After their debacle in Minneapolis, the Hawkeyes 
>re now fighting for their season.
>Paul Levinson
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Nov  1 23:47:05 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 21:47:05 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <7098843.1320208631734.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <7098843.1320208631734.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAN7senhk6_dO6ahwVZUs+9bY8hiHW4DCQ03h67ou+DYCxpzfVQ@mail.gmail.com>

I agree.

Totally.

We aren't going to stop them.

But they can't stop us, either.

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net> wrote:

> We will win. Our offense is the best that Neb has faced, and this will be
> a trap game for them (they face Penn State next week). Jim B.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
> >Sent: Nov 1, 2011 7:13 AM
> >To: neonrye at aol.com, nwu-sports at tssi.com
> >Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
> >
> >
> >Personally, I think we'll get thumped, but not like the Alamo Bowl.  I
> see 24-48, but if somehow pull of the upset, it'll be some sort of
> bombastic score like we saw on Saturday.  Eric
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
> >To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
> >Sent: Mon, Oct 31, 2011 10:29 pm
> >Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
> >
> >
> >
> >e are 17-1/2 point 'dogs to Nebraska.  But that's nothing,, as Mich At. ia
> >avored by 28 at home over Gophers, Wisky by 26-1/2 at home to Boilers,
> Buckeyes
> >y 27-1/2 over Hoosiers at the Shoe.   Guess the bookies think our
> offensive
> >rowess will keep us "close".  This would be a great time for us to come
> up with
> >ur seminal performance of the year--both to have realistic shot at
> becoming
> >owl eligible, and because Nebraska is currently ranked 10th in BCS
> Standings,
> >nd No.9 in AP and USA Top 25's.  If we were ever going to get a signature
> win
> >o boost the program's and Fitz's profile, this would be the week to do
> it.  I
> >now it's probably a pipe dream, since we just can't seem to stop anybody
> with
> >he ball, but our offense really got its Mojo on Saturday, and did so
> without
> >bert playing much of a role.  Usually, he is getting the lion's share of
> first
> >owns and TD's, so I consider his secondary role at Bloomington a very
> positive
> >ign.  Then again Indiana's D has about as m
> >uch in common with Nebraska's D as our D does.:-)  But, what the hey--at
> least
> >e got to savor a "W" the past 2 days--a "Good Feelin' to Know", as POCO
> once
> >ang.
> >Meanwhile, in the only conference game that Vegas feels is competitive,
> Wolves
> >avored by 4-1/2 in Iowa City.  After their debacle in Minneapolis, the
> Hawkeyes
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> >Paul Levinson
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov  2 00:40:18 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 00:40:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Strange game in the MAC
Message-ID: <20111102054018.D1924615C6@romaine.tssi.com>

I just finished watching (DVR) the Northern Illinois - Toledo game,
won by Northern Illinois 63-60.  

What a strange way to open this week's games!  Maybe it's a sign!
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov  2 00:45:05 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 05:45:05 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Strange game in the MAC
Message-ID: <1378582106-1320212708-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-535730947-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

I watched most of the 2nd quarter and it sure seemed like there wasn't a defensive team on the field. I only wonder why it took more than 1 play to score 

Harry
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I just finished watching (DVR) the Northern Illinois - Toledo game,
won by Northern Illinois 63-60.  

What a strange way to open this week's games!  Maybe it's a sign!
--
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Nov  2 07:39:23 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:39:23 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: touching NU story - two parts
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC3759F46E2@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.laketheposts.com/index.php/2011/10/a-little-story-about-jack-brian-part-i-of-ii/

http://www.laketheposts.com/index.php/2011/11/a-little-story-of-jack-brian-part-ii-of-ii/


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  2 09:09:23 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 07:09:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: touching NU story - two parts
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC3759F46E2@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC3759F46E2@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Yep, it's a "must read" story for any Wildcat fan.

Tom



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> Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 7:39 AM
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> http://www.laketheposts.com/index.php/2011/10/a-little-story-about-jack-brian-part-i-of-ii/
> 
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From fullfathomfive675 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 18:52:56 2011
From: fullfathomfive675 at gmail.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:52:56 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NIU game as a sign
Message-ID: <CAD9+3n0Anb2=bOhvDUv1D8HeJjB8_6UXmZ5DNKzGc+OKmWav8A@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, that a team can score 60 in regulation and lose. Hmmm ... maybe not a
GOOD sign.

Brad Wilson

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 18:52:53 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:52:53 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] on Nebraska
In-Reply-To: <CAD9+3n1Y0=q+0KcXe3NNN8PMbm_Mx_+bN04sWW2k+ptjAL8OOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD9+3n1Y0=q+0KcXe3NNN8PMbm_Mx_+bN04sWW2k+ptjAL8OOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7383499417604419177@unknownmsgid>

Purple Kool-Aid!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Brad Wilson <fullfathomfive675 at gmail.com> wrote:

> please send me some of what you are drinking/smoking/snorting/mainlining etc.
>
> I think it's Alamo Bowl all over again.
>
> bw


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  2 18:58:02 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:58:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] NIU game as a sign
In-Reply-To: <CAD9+3n2m5jnreJLbJsDTeXwkDBZ7cvooqYpLubF1fQR3g4Tf4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAD9+3n0Anb2=bOhvDUv1D8HeJjB8_6UXmZ5DNKzGc+OKmWav8A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAD9+3n2m5jnreJLbJsDTeXwkDBZ7cvooqYpLubF1fQR3g4Tf4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1320278282.12527.YahooMailNeo@web114717.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Yes, that a team can score 60 in regulation and lose. Hmmm ... maybe not a GOOD sign.


Brad Wilson

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  3 09:19:53 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:19:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Those timely Buckeyes
Message-ID: <1320329993.42856.YahooMailNeo@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

To help celebrate Nebraska week they have suspended a running back for assualt. 
?
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7181991/jaamal-berry-ohio-state-buckeyes-charged-misdemeanor-assault-suspended
?
Go Cats!
Jim

From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Nov  3 11:29:30 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:29:30 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw: WSJ
Message-ID: <907704040-1320337771-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-517554970-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>


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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:24:28 
To: <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Reply-To: hakirsch at aol.com
Subject: WSJ

An article in todays WSJ back page (sorry I can't attach the link) lists us as only 6th in GSR varsity success rate, a tick behind Duke. The upcoming WF(#2)/ND (#1)football game seemed to have triggered the article.  They also mention the low sxores by 2 other S.E.C. teams ,ALA and LSU

Harry
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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Nov  3 18:14:46 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 23:14:46 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Prediction on Game
Message-ID: <1973014911-1320361933-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1078175743-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

>From tonight's NY POST--Len Robbins, in his weekly column "Pigskin Profit"-- on NU v. UNL, and picking UNL:

"Athletes over students in first Big Ten meeting between these two."
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From tmcadams at yahoo.com  Thu Nov  3 22:01:52 2011
From: tmcadams at yahoo.com (Trey McAdams)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 20:01:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <1375647414-1320170051-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1841479038-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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During the last Nebraska game at the Alamo Bowl, I overheard the following conversation between 2 gentlemen in the restroom.

Guy 1 - "When was the last time you saw someone put up 31 in a quarter?"
Guy 2 - "I saw the Spurs do it last night."



________________________________
From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; tkmaycock at yahoo.com
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Generally in sports, and especially in football, defense does (win games). Oy!
------Original Message------
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Sent: Nov 1, 2011 12:59 PM

> The good news is that Nebraska's offense is not good at long drives, or at 
> converting 3rd downs. So a decent defense has a chance to force a lot of punts

Nebraska is 44th in 3rd down efficiency, converting 50 of 114 attempts,
or 43.86%.? They have punted 29 times.? They are 9th in red zone efficiency, 
scoring 24 TDs and 10 field goals in 37 red zone opportunities (92%)

Northwestern is 16th in 3rd down efficiency, converting 55 of 111 attempts, 
or 49.55%.? They have punted 33 times.? They are 80th in red zone 
efficiency, with 29 TDs and 3 field goals in 41 red zone opportunities. (78%)

Nebraska has thrown 3 more interceptions than Northwestern (7 vs 4).? 
Northwestern has 2 more interceptions on defense than Nebraska (8 vs 6).

Both teams have lost 4 fumbles.? 

Nebraska has been flagged 57 times this season, Northwestern 37 times.

But statistics don't win games. :-)
--
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  4 10:56:46 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:56:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
Message-ID: <1320422206.60890.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

...the 5th of November
?
Clearly the odds are against us in Lincoln tomorrow. However, November 5th is day when established powers are to be overthrown. I'm just trying to stay purple so I'm picking the upset. Every year we win one that we shouldn't, it might as well be tomorrow. 
?
Northwestern: 38
Nebraska: 35
?
Victory & Honor,
Jim

From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Nov  4 11:02:17 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:02:17 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
In-Reply-To: <1320422206.60890.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320422206.60890.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <617801379-1320422538-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-741029686-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Nice to see optimism out there. 

I find it hard to believe we will be able to pull a major upset on the road, but will be thrilled to have some salt and pepper with the crow should it be required

Harry
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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:56:46 
To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...

...the 5th of November
?
Clearly the odds are against us in Lincoln tomorrow. However, November 5th is day when established powers are to be overthrown. I'm just trying to stay purple so I'm picking the upset. Every year we win one that we shouldn't, it might as well be tomorrow. 
?
Northwestern: 38
Nebraska: 35
?
Victory & Honor,
Jim
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Fri Nov  4 11:03:23 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:03:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Nebraska game
In-Reply-To: <1973014911-1320361933-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1078175743-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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I was checking the forecast for tomorrow's game to help figure out what to pack, and it looks like it's going to be a nice day, but very windy--sustained winds out of the south at 25mph, with gusts over 40. As I recall, the south stadium is pretty tall, so the on-field effects of the wind might not be as significant as they would at Ryan Field, but I'm guessing they will have an effect.

Normally, I'd expect strong winds to hurt us more, given our much heavier reliance on the passing game. However, Martinez's passes tend to be sky-high lobs, as compared to Persa's usual laser beams, so it may work to our advantage at times.?

If we get lucky with how possessions fall with respect to direction, the winds might help mitigate some of Nebraska big advantage in kickoff and punt length. Of course, if we get unlucky, it could make our disadvantage there even more of a problem.?

Regardless of what happens, we've still got Bring Us Your Champions, which is out with another stellar edition this morning

http://bringyourchampionstheyreourmeat.blogspot.com/


"The Wildcats also must win in Lincoln's creatively-named Memorial Stadium against 80,000 screaming Husker fanatics hoping to intimidate the Northwestern offense with noise and their horrifying mascot who lurks in the shadows with his frozen grin belaying a confidence in all manners of sinister uses for corn farming implements."

The photoshopped take on that William Shatner Twilight Zone episode is truly inspired.

Tom


From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 11:04:05 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:04:05 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
In-Reply-To: <617801379-1320422538-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-741029686-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1320422206.60890.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CAN7seniO8GDjnx3qw9SzOXDzS17ibQHhD2-MDkd0DzPH7S4=QQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm with Mr. Leonard. Bring on the Purple Kool-Aid.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> Nice to see optimism out there.
>
> I find it hard to believe we will be able to pull a major upset on the
> road, but will be thrilled to have some salt and pepper with the crow
> should it be required
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:56:46
> To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
>
> ...the 5th of November
>
> Clearly the odds are against us in Lincoln tomorrow. However, November 5th
> is day when established powers are to be overthrown. I'm just trying to
> stay purple so I'm picking the upset. Every year we win one that we
> shouldn't, it might as well be tomorrow.
>
> Northwestern: 38
> Nebraska: 35
>
> Victory & Honor,
> Jim
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From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Nov  4 11:18:58 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:18:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
In-Reply-To: <1320422206.60890.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111104161858.C682264CE9@romaine.tssi.com>

> Clearly the odds are against us in Lincoln tomorrow. However, November 5th 
> is day when established powers are to be overthrown. I'm just trying to stay
> purple so I'm picking the upset. Every year we win one that we shouldn't,
> it might as well be tomorrow..

It would be a major upset, for sure, but the last two times Nebraska
played Iowa State they lost 9-7 (2009) and just barely won in
overtime 31-30 (2010) when an ISU receiver dropped a pass in the 
end zone on a fake extra point kick.   

And I'm not convinced this year's Husker team is as good
on defense as either of those squads were, despite their top 
ten ranking at the moment.  
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Nov  4 11:39:04 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:39:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Nebraska game
In-Reply-To: <1320422603.82770.YahooMailNeo@web161007.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111104163904.B3CE464CDF@romaine.tssi.com>

> I was checking the forecast for tomorrow's game to help figure out what to 
> pack, and it looks like it's going to be a nice day, but very windy--sustained
> winds out of the south at 25mph, with gusts over 40. As I recall, the 
> south stadium is pretty tall, so the on-field effects of the wind might not 
> be as significant as they would at Ryan Field, but I'm guessing they will 
> have an effect.

I've sat through quite a few games in Memorial Stadium, the south stands
don't really block the wind that much, especially when it is strong.
(Bernoulli effect, I suppose.)

I've seen punts that looked like they hit a brick wall, I've even seen one 
shanked punt that was blown backwards and wound up with negative yardage
despite not being touched by the receiving team.  

Punts, kickoffs and Martinez's ugly lobbed passes might be severely affected,
but Nebraska's bread-and-butter has historically been the running game,
and they seem to be moving back in that direction.  Even Tom Osborne
commented on this in the last week when he said that some of the plays
in the playbook are starting to look familiar to him.  

I think the Nebraska field is still fairly heavily crowned, too,
even though they went from Astro-Turf to Field Turf some years back.
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Nov  4 11:45:34 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:45:34 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
In-Reply-To: <CAN7seniO8GDjnx3qw9SzOXDzS17ibQHhD2-MDkd0DzPH7S4=QQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1320422206.60890.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EC0F@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

My scenario is that Martinez throws a couple of picks which NU turns
into early scores and then gets injured and can't return.  His backup
Brion Carnes has virtually no game experience, which means that the team
becomes one dimensional - hand the ball to Burkhead.  We put eleven guys
in the box, coach fitz suits up, and we throw in some lawn furniture to
slow Rex down.  Game turns into a shootout.  Burkhead finally collapses
on the field on his 51st carry like Little Blackie in True Grit and
fumbles on the final play.  The UNL band takes the field thinking
they've won.  Brian Peters picks up the loose ball and runs through the
band for the winning score as the clock expires. The hometown crowd
riots and burns Lil Red at midfield.  Scores of fans fall ill from the
toxic fumes generated by burning latex and years of perspiration.
Memorial Stadium is closed for several weeks to clean up the mess. The
football program never recovers and Nebraska eventually becomes the
third BT school to withdraw from the conference.  And that, my son, is
how Notre Dame came to be a member of the Big Ten.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:04 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...

I'm with Mr. Leonard. Bring on the Purple Kool-Aid.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> Nice to see optimism out there.
>
> I find it hard to believe we will be able to pull a major upset on the
> road, but will be thrilled to have some salt and pepper with the crow
> should it be required
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:56:46
> To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
>
> ...the 5th of November
>
> Clearly the odds are against us in Lincoln tomorrow. However, November
5th
> is day when established powers are to be overthrown. I'm just trying
to
> stay purple so I'm picking the upset. Every year we win one that we
> shouldn't, it might as well be tomorrow.
>
> Northwestern: 38
> Nebraska: 35
>
> Victory & Honor,
> Jim
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From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Nov  4 11:53:11 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:53:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EC0F@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <20111104165311.59269610CE@romaine.tssi.com>

Jeff, the first requirement in storytelling is 'suspension of disbelief'.

I'm not sure your scenario passes that test.

But then, my mother used to send me letters about life back home
(a small town in NW Illinois) and I used to think most of them would
not have passed the 'suspension of disbelief' test, either.

But as one writer noted:  The difference between reality and fiction
is that reality doesn't have to make sense.
--
Mike Nolan

> 
> My scenario is that Martinez throws a couple of picks which NU turns
> into early scores and then gets injured and can't return.  His backup
> Brion Carnes has virtually no game experience, which means that the team
> becomes one dimensional - hand the ball to Burkhead.  We put eleven guys
> in the box, coach fitz suits up, and we throw in some lawn furniture to
> slow Rex down.  Game turns into a shootout.  Burkhead finally collapses
> on the field on his 51st carry like Little Blackie in True Grit and
> fumbles on the final play.  The UNL band takes the field thinking
> they've won.  Brian Peters picks up the loose ball and runs through the
> band for the winning score as the clock expires. The hometown crowd
> riots and burns Lil Red at midfield.  Scores of fans fall ill from the
> toxic fumes generated by burning latex and years of perspiration.
> Memorial Stadium is closed for several weeks to clean up the mess. The
> football program never recovers and Nebraska eventually becomes the
> third BT school to withdraw from the conference.  And that, my son, is
> how Notre Dame came to be a member of the Big Ten.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:04 PM
> To: hakirsch at aol.com
> Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
> 
> I'm with Mr. Leonard. Bring on the Purple Kool-Aid.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> > Nice to see optimism out there.
> >
> > I find it hard to believe we will be able to pull a major upset on the
> > road, but will be thrilled to have some salt and pepper with the crow
> > should it be required
> >
> > Harry
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> > Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:56:46
> > To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> > Reply-To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
> >
> > ...the 5th of November
> >
> > Clearly the odds are against us in Lincoln tomorrow. However, November
> 5th
> > is day when established powers are to be overthrown. I'm just trying
> to
> > stay purple so I'm picking the upset. Every year we win one that we
> > shouldn't, it might as well be tomorrow.
> >
> > Northwestern: 38
> > Nebraska: 35
> >
> > Victory & Honor,
> > Jim
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Fri Nov  4 11:57:43 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:57:43 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
In-Reply-To: <20111104165311.59269610CE@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EC0F@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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Message-ID: <CAN7senhC4xXywSYE+__==TA_5UCqe2pYryxtft4Utt4m9OW=kg@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know, Mike. What part of it didn't seem real? I'm confused :)

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> Jeff, the first requirement in storytelling is 'suspension of disbelief'.
>
> I'm not sure your scenario passes that test.
>
> But then, my mother used to send me letters about life back home
> (a small town in NW Illinois) and I used to think most of them would
> not have passed the 'suspension of disbelief' test, either.
>
> But as one writer noted:  The difference between reality and fiction
> is that reality doesn't have to make sense.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> >
> > My scenario is that Martinez throws a couple of picks which NU turns
> > into early scores and then gets injured and can't return.  His backup
> > Brion Carnes has virtually no game experience, which means that the team
> > becomes one dimensional - hand the ball to Burkhead.  We put eleven guys
> > in the box, coach fitz suits up, and we throw in some lawn furniture to
> > slow Rex down.  Game turns into a shootout.  Burkhead finally collapses
> > on the field on his 51st carry like Little Blackie in True Grit and
> > fumbles on the final play.  The UNL band takes the field thinking
> > they've won.  Brian Peters picks up the loose ball and runs through the
> > band for the winning score as the clock expires. The hometown crowd
> > riots and burns Lil Red at midfield.  Scores of fans fall ill from the
> > toxic fumes generated by burning latex and years of perspiration.
> > Memorial Stadium is closed for several weeks to clean up the mess. The
> > football program never recovers and Nebraska eventually becomes the
> > third BT school to withdraw from the conference.  And that, my son, is
> > how Notre Dame came to be a member of the Big Ten.
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> > On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
> > Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:04 PM
> > To: hakirsch at aol.com
> > Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
> >
> > I'm with Mr. Leonard. Bring on the Purple Kool-Aid.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Nice to see optimism out there.
> > >
> > > I find it hard to believe we will be able to pull a major upset on the
> > > road, but will be thrilled to have some salt and pepper with the crow
> > > should it be required
> > >
> > > Harry
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> > > Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> > > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:56:46
> > > To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> > > Reply-To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
> > >
> > > ...the 5th of November
> > >
> > > Clearly the odds are against us in Lincoln tomorrow. However, November
> > 5th
> > > is day when established powers are to be overthrown. I'm just trying
> > to
> > > stay purple so I'm picking the upset. Every year we win one that we
> > > shouldn't, it might as well be tomorrow.
> > >
> > > Northwestern: 38
> > > Nebraska: 35
> > >
> > > Victory & Honor,
> > > Jim
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > nwu-sports site list
> > > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > nwu-sports site list
> > > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
>
>

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Nov  4 12:07:36 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:07:36 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
In-Reply-To: <20111104165311.59269610CE@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EC0F@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EC15@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Actually you're right.

I don't think that they will be able to clean up Memorial Stadium that
quickly and might, as a result of the loss of human life associated with
the riot, just close the whole thing down.  They would leave the
structure, however, as a stark reminder of what can happen when a whole
state becomes obsessed with just one football team.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Nolan [mailto:nolan at tssi.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:53 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff
Cc: Alan Abrahamson; hakirsch at aol.com; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...

Jeff, the first requirement in storytelling is 'suspension of
disbelief'.

I'm not sure your scenario passes that test.

But then, my mother used to send me letters about life back home
(a small town in NW Illinois) and I used to think most of them would
not have passed the 'suspension of disbelief' test, either.

But as one writer noted:  The difference between reality and fiction
is that reality doesn't have to make sense.
--
Mike Nolan

> 
> My scenario is that Martinez throws a couple of picks which NU turns
> into early scores and then gets injured and can't return.  His backup
> Brion Carnes has virtually no game experience, which means that the
team
> becomes one dimensional - hand the ball to Burkhead.  We put eleven
guys
> in the box, coach fitz suits up, and we throw in some lawn furniture
to
> slow Rex down.  Game turns into a shootout.  Burkhead finally
collapses
> on the field on his 51st carry like Little Blackie in True Grit and
> fumbles on the final play.  The UNL band takes the field thinking
> they've won.  Brian Peters picks up the loose ball and runs through
the
> band for the winning score as the clock expires. The hometown crowd
> riots and burns Lil Red at midfield.  Scores of fans fall ill from the
> toxic fumes generated by burning latex and years of perspiration.
> Memorial Stadium is closed for several weeks to clean up the mess. The
> football program never recovers and Nebraska eventually becomes the
> third BT school to withdraw from the conference.  And that, my son, is
> how Notre Dame came to be a member of the Big Ten.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
> Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 12:04 PM
> To: hakirsch at aol.com
> Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
> 
> I'm with Mr. Leonard. Bring on the Purple Kool-Aid.
> 
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 9:02 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> > Nice to see optimism out there.
> >
> > I find it hard to believe we will be able to pull a major upset on
the
> > road, but will be thrilled to have some salt and pepper with the
crow
> > should it be required
> >
> > Harry
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> > Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 08:56:46
> > To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> > Reply-To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [NU Sports] Remember, Remember...
> >
> > ...the 5th of November
> >
> > Clearly the odds are against us in Lincoln tomorrow. However,
November
> 5th
> > is day when established powers are to be overthrown. I'm just trying
> to
> > stay purple so I'm picking the upset. Every year we win one that we
> > shouldn't, it might as well be tomorrow.
> >
> > Northwestern: 38
> > Nebraska: 35
> >
> > Victory & Honor,
> > Jim
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 11:56:37 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 09:56:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Pop quiz: Minnesota's helmets ...
In-Reply-To: <1920991449-1282398568-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-416711614-@bda676.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <876997.77121.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1320512197.66725.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

(a) Have been glitter-bombed
(b) Are frozen and crystalized by the Norse winter
(c) Are secretly vampires
(d) Have been laced with Spartan kryptonite

Whatever the case, looks like a weird week is brewing in the Big Ten here. Let's hope the upside-down early results carry over to Lincoln.

And whatever the answer above, those helmets are extra-sparkly in the crisp November air.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!

From martinitis at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 12:52:00 2011
From: martinitis at aol.com (Louis Martinaitis)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 10:52:00 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] How about that Hoosier defense!
Message-ID: <D63D06B8-53A7-42A7-9B99-0CB9F6DEAB06@aol.com>


13-13 vs. Buckeyes in 3rd qtr.

Look out Huskers for a true offense today!


Louis Martinaitis
 


From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 12:53:24 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 10:53:24 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Confidence guy: Jake Herbert
Message-ID: <CAN7sengh=NxXzRgvhtqFELm5+7N327ZFyaqNmgmkC244LcBs4w@mail.gmail.com>

Just in time for the game. I wrote this for the USOC's website...

Go Cats!



--


http://www.teamusa.org/news/2011/11/05/confidence-guy-jake-herbert/45358?ngb_id=3

Confidence guy: Jake
Herbert<http://www.teamusa.org/news/2011/11/05/confidence-guy-jake-herbert/45358>
*Alan Abrahamson* November 05, 2011

[image: Herbertmedal]

Photo: Robbert Wijtman

Jake Herbert with his Pan Am Games gold medal

Northwestern plays Nebraska on Saturday in college football, the Wildcats'
first foray to Lincoln since the Cornhuskers were admitted to the Big Ten.
The oddsmakers in Vegas have made Northwestern a decided underdog.
"Northwestern by 50. Feeling confident," said Jake Herbert, who graduated
from Northwestern two years ago after winning two NCAA wrestling
championships and the 2009 Hodge Trophy, given to the nation's outstanding
collegiate wrestler.

 In the NFL, the Baltimore Ravens travel Sunday to Pittsburgh to play the
Steelers. Herbert grew up in North Allegheny, Pa. "You ask me how bad the
Steelers are going to beat the Ravens? By 110."

 "I ooze confidence," Herbert said, and this a couple days after winning
gold in the 84 kilogram, or 185-pound, freestyle weight class at the Pan
American Games.

 All athletes have to be confident. Jake has to be super-confident. He is,
without being ugly about it.

 "Anything less than Olympic gold in my mind is failure," he said. "I'm not
training for bronze. I'm not training just to be in the Olympics. I'm not
training for anything less.

 "If there's a little bit of doubt in your mind, that can be exploited. I'm
there 100 percent to be getting the gold medal. I'm there to take it."

 Here's why Jake has to have unshakeable belief in himself and what he's
doing:

 Among others, Cael Sanderson is in his weight class.

 Sanderson is the 2004 Olympic gold medalist. He is now coach at Penn
State. He is the only undefeated four-time NCAA champion, compiling a
record of 159-0 at Iowa State, so good he made the cover of a Wheaties box.
He won the Hodge Trophy not just once but three times.

 There are all kinds of hints that Sanderson is making a 2012 comeback.

 It can't be certain that Sanderson is, in fact, coming back.

 But Herbert, like everyone, has to gear up as it if that's the case. "I'm
preparing like he's going to be there," Jake said.

 American Olympic wrestling history is marked by a succession of dramatic
episodes in which challengers have had to beat the best to be the best.

 Going all the way back to the 1984 U.S. Trials, Dave Schultz had to beat
three-time world champion Lee Kemp just to make the American team. He did,
and went on to win Olympic gold.

 In 1988, the tables were turned: Kenny Monday had to beat Schultz to make
the U.S. team. Monday won, and then won Olympic gold in Seoul.

 Also in 1988, John Smith had to beat 1984 Olympic champ Randy Lewis to
make the team. Smith did, and won Olympic gold.

 More recently, at the 2008 Trials, Henry Cejudo had to defeat Stephen
Abas, the 2004 silver medalist, to make the team. Cejudo did, and won
Olympic gold.

 Jake knows all these stories, rattling them off in a phone call. "Why
should it be any different for me?" he asked rhetorically, adding, "If I
can beat Sanderson, I can beat anybody in the world, and I can win the
Olympics."

 Since graduating from Northwestern, Jake has bulked up to about 200
pounds. He makes weight pretty easily -- wrestlers drop a lot of water
weight in a remarkably quick amount of time without losing strength -- and
said, "I'm a 200-pound man wrestling 185. That strength showed off in the
Pan Ams. It's great to feel stronger, tougher, better than your opponents."

 Perhaps just as important, "Mentally, I'm right there."

 Jake has recent wins over, among others, Sharif Sharifov of Azerbaijan and
Mihail Ganev of Bulgaria.

 Sharifov won the 2011 world gold medal. At those 2011 worlds, Sharifov
defeated Sanderson.

 Ganev is the 2010 world champ.

 With his coach, Sean Bormet, Jake is now training in Ann Arbor. "This is
the real stuff," he said. "It's physical chess. Position is always going to
beat strength."

 There's only one downside, for a Northwestern guy, to being in Ann Arbor:
"It's not just the college kids. It's 60-year-old men and 3-year-old kids.
They're all wearing maize-and-blue."

 There's only one antidote, he said: "I wear my Wildcat gear."

 Jake added, "My job now is -- I have to put together the two best
tournaments of my life. The Trials -- go out there and make the team. Then
-- go out there and make the Olympics."

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 13:01:11 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 14:01:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Pop quiz: Minnesota's helmets ...
In-Reply-To: <1320512197.66725.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <876997.77121.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com><1920991449-1282398568-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-416711614-@bda676.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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Man I hope Indiana and/or Minnesota can pull off the W today.  Let's hope it gets wild and funky today...strangeness in the air in Lincoln?!     Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 5, 2011 8:56 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Pop quiz: Minnesota's helmets ...


(a) Have been glitter-bombed
(b) Are frozen and crystalized by the Norse winter
(c) Are secretly vampires
(d) Have been laced with Spartan kryptonite

Whatever the case, looks like a weird week is brewing in the Big Ten here. Let's 
hope the upside-down early results carry over to Lincoln.

And whatever the answer above, those helmets are extra-sparkly in the crisp 
November air.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
 
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 14:47:59 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 12:47:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Victory is ours!
Message-ID: <1320522479.66734.YahooMailNeo@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Big Ten Network scoreboard ...
NU = NORTHWESTERN (not NWU!)
NEB = Nebraska (aka UNL)

Thanks BTN! Now let's hope that's not our only victory on this windy windy day.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Nov  5 15:01:41 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 13:01:41 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Victory is ours!
In-Reply-To: <1320522479.66734.YahooMailNeo@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1320522479.66734.YahooMailNeo@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9B4A2CE6-1A49-41C8-9674-F82482855649@me.com>

In fact, they opened the telecast with the announcer (who is terrible, btw) bellowing "It's N.U. at Nebraska!"

So far, maybe the worst Big Ten telecast I've ever seen. How many snaps have they missed while keying on an inconsequential player on the field. Awful.

And Persa's hot, keep Colter on the damned bench!

Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 5, 2011, at 12:47 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

> Big Ten Network scoreboard ...
> NU = NORTHWESTERN (not NWU!)
> NEB = Nebraska (aka UNL)
> 
> Thanks BTN! Now let's hope that's not our only victory on this windy windy day.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>  
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 16:17:10 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:17:10 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa...
In-Reply-To: <8CE69FC09649E63-1834-603EE@web-mmc-m05.sysops.aol.com>
References: <876997.77121.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <405548763-1320527832-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2013256090-@b12.c4.bise6.blackberry>

Tried to throw 1 warm up, it hit the turf and he grabbed that left shoulder again. Not good.

Tom
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 14:01:11 
To: <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Pop quiz: Minnesota's helmets ...

Man I hope Indiana and/or Minnesota can pull off the W today.  Let's hope it gets wild and funky today...strangeness in the air in Lincoln?!     Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 5, 2011 8:56 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Pop quiz: Minnesota's helmets ...


(a) Have been glitter-bombed
(b) Are frozen and crystalized by the Norse winter
(c) Are secretly vampires
(d) Have been laced with Spartan kryptonite

Whatever the case, looks like a weird week is brewing in the Big Ten here. Let's 
hope the upside-down early results carry over to Lincoln.

And whatever the answer above, those helmets are extra-sparkly in the crisp 
November air.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
 
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 16:28:05 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:28:05 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Report from the SE end zone
In-Reply-To: <CAN7sengh=NxXzRgvhtqFELm5+7N327ZFyaqNmgmkC244LcBs4w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN7sengh=NxXzRgvhtqFELm5+7N327ZFyaqNmgmkC244LcBs4w@mail.gmail.com>
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It's gotten awfully quiet in here.

Tom
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 10:53:24 
To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Confidence guy: Jake Herbert

Just in time for the game. I wrote this for the USOC's website...

Go Cats!



--


http://www.teamusa.org/news/2011/11/05/confidence-guy-jake-herbert/45358?ngb_id=3

Confidence guy: Jake
Herbert<http://www.teamusa.org/news/2011/11/05/confidence-guy-jake-herbert/45358>
*Alan Abrahamson* November 05, 2011

[image: Herbertmedal]

Photo: Robbert Wijtman

Jake Herbert with his Pan Am Games gold medal

Northwestern plays Nebraska on Saturday in college football, the Wildcats'
first foray to Lincoln since the Cornhuskers were admitted to the Big Ten.
The oddsmakers in Vegas have made Northwestern a decided underdog.
"Northwestern by 50. Feeling confident," said Jake Herbert, who graduated
from Northwestern two years ago after winning two NCAA wrestling
championships and the 2009 Hodge Trophy, given to the nation's outstanding
collegiate wrestler.

 In the NFL, the Baltimore Ravens travel Sunday to Pittsburgh to play the
Steelers. Herbert grew up in North Allegheny, Pa. "You ask me how bad the
Steelers are going to beat the Ravens? By 110."

 "I ooze confidence," Herbert said, and this a couple days after winning
gold in the 84 kilogram, or 185-pound, freestyle weight class at the Pan
American Games.

 All athletes have to be confident. Jake has to be super-confident. He is,
without being ugly about it.

 "Anything less than Olympic gold in my mind is failure," he said. "I'm not
training for bronze. I'm not training just to be in the Olympics. I'm not
training for anything less.

 "If there's a little bit of doubt in your mind, that can be exploited. I'm
there 100 percent to be getting the gold medal. I'm there to take it."

 Here's why Jake has to have unshakeable belief in himself and what he's
doing:

 Among others, Cael Sanderson is in his weight class.

 Sanderson is the 2004 Olympic gold medalist. He is now coach at Penn
State. He is the only undefeated four-time NCAA champion, compiling a
record of 159-0 at Iowa State, so good he made the cover of a Wheaties box.
He won the Hodge Trophy not just once but three times.

 There are all kinds of hints that Sanderson is making a 2012 comeback.

 It can't be certain that Sanderson is, in fact, coming back.

 But Herbert, like everyone, has to gear up as it if that's the case. "I'm
preparing like he's going to be there," Jake said.

 American Olympic wrestling history is marked by a succession of dramatic
episodes in which challengers have had to beat the best to be the best.

 Going all the way back to the 1984 U.S. Trials, Dave Schultz had to beat
three-time world champion Lee Kemp just to make the American team. He did,
and went on to win Olympic gold.

 In 1988, the tables were turned: Kenny Monday had to beat Schultz to make
the U.S. team. Monday won, and then won Olympic gold in Seoul.

 Also in 1988, John Smith had to beat 1984 Olympic champ Randy Lewis to
make the team. Smith did, and won Olympic gold.

 More recently, at the 2008 Trials, Henry Cejudo had to defeat Stephen
Abas, the 2004 silver medalist, to make the team. Cejudo did, and won
Olympic gold.

 Jake knows all these stories, rattling them off in a phone call. "Why
should it be any different for me?" he asked rhetorically, adding, "If I
can beat Sanderson, I can beat anybody in the world, and I can win the
Olympics."

 Since graduating from Northwestern, Jake has bulked up to about 200
pounds. He makes weight pretty easily -- wrestlers drop a lot of water
weight in a remarkably quick amount of time without losing strength -- and
said, "I'm a 200-pound man wrestling 185. That strength showed off in the
Pan Ams. It's great to feel stronger, tougher, better than your opponents."

 Perhaps just as important, "Mentally, I'm right there."

 Jake has recent wins over, among others, Sharif Sharifov of Azerbaijan and
Mihail Ganev of Bulgaria.

 Sharifov won the 2011 world gold medal. At those 2011 worlds, Sharifov
defeated Sanderson.

 Ganev is the 2010 world champ.

 With his coach, Sean Bormet, Jake is now training in Ann Arbor. "This is
the real stuff," he said. "It's physical chess. Position is always going to
beat strength."

 There's only one downside, for a Northwestern guy, to being in Ann Arbor:
"It's not just the college kids. It's 60-year-old men and 3-year-old kids.
They're all wearing maize-and-blue."

 There's only one antidote, he said: "I wear my Wildcat gear."

 Jake added, "My job now is -- I have to put together the two best
tournaments of my life. The Trials -- go out there and make the team. Then
-- go out there and make the Olympics."
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 16:29:43 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:29:43 +0100
Subject: [NU Sports] Report from the SE end zone
In-Reply-To: <13475194-1320528487-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-22195269-@b12.c4.bise6.blackberry>
References: <CAN7sengh=NxXzRgvhtqFELm5+7N327ZFyaqNmgmkC244LcBs4w@mail.gmail.com>
 <13475194-1320528487-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-22195269-@b12.c4.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <-7337600985954563747@unknownmsgid>

Go Cats!

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2011, at 10:28 PM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> wrote:

> It's gotten awfully quiet in here.
>
> Tom
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 10:53:24
> To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Confidence guy: Jake Herbert
>
> Just in time for the game. I wrote this for the USOC's website...
>
> Go Cats!
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> http://www.teamusa.org/news/2011/11/05/confidence-guy-jake-herbert/45358?ngb_id=3
>
> Confidence guy: Jake
> Herbert<http://www.teamusa.org/news/2011/11/05/confidence-guy-jake-herbert/45358>
> *Alan Abrahamson* November 05, 2011
>
> [image: Herbertmedal]
>
> Photo: Robbert Wijtman
>
> Jake Herbert with his Pan Am Games gold medal
>
> Northwestern plays Nebraska on Saturday in college football, the Wildcats'
> first foray to Lincoln since the Cornhuskers were admitted to the Big Ten.
> The oddsmakers in Vegas have made Northwestern a decided underdog.
> "Northwestern by 50. Feeling confident," said Jake Herbert, who graduated
> from Northwestern two years ago after winning two NCAA wrestling
> championships and the 2009 Hodge Trophy, given to the nation's outstanding
> collegiate wrestler.
>
> In the NFL, the Baltimore Ravens travel Sunday to Pittsburgh to play the
> Steelers. Herbert grew up in North Allegheny, Pa. "You ask me how bad the
> Steelers are going to beat the Ravens? By 110."
>
> "I ooze confidence," Herbert said, and this a couple days after winning
> gold in the 84 kilogram, or 185-pound, freestyle weight class at the Pan
> American Games.
>
> All athletes have to be confident. Jake has to be super-confident. He is,
> without being ugly about it.
>
> "Anything less than Olympic gold in my mind is failure," he said. "I'm not
> training for bronze. I'm not training just to be in the Olympics. I'm not
> training for anything less.
>
> "If there's a little bit of doubt in your mind, that can be exploited. I'm
> there 100 percent to be getting the gold medal. I'm there to take it."
>
> Here's why Jake has to have unshakeable belief in himself and what he's
> doing:
>
> Among others, Cael Sanderson is in his weight class.
>
> Sanderson is the 2004 Olympic gold medalist. He is now coach at Penn
> State. He is the only undefeated four-time NCAA champion, compiling a
> record of 159-0 at Iowa State, so good he made the cover of a Wheaties box.
> He won the Hodge Trophy not just once but three times.
>
> There are all kinds of hints that Sanderson is making a 2012 comeback.
>
> It can't be certain that Sanderson is, in fact, coming back.
>
> But Herbert, like everyone, has to gear up as it if that's the case. "I'm
> preparing like he's going to be there," Jake said.
>
> American Olympic wrestling history is marked by a succession of dramatic
> episodes in which challengers have had to beat the best to be the best.
>
> Going all the way back to the 1984 U.S. Trials, Dave Schultz had to beat
> three-time world champion Lee Kemp just to make the American team. He did,
> and went on to win Olympic gold.
>
> In 1988, the tables were turned: Kenny Monday had to beat Schultz to make
> the U.S. team. Monday won, and then won Olympic gold in Seoul.
>
> Also in 1988, John Smith had to beat 1984 Olympic champ Randy Lewis to
> make the team. Smith did, and won Olympic gold.
>
> More recently, at the 2008 Trials, Henry Cejudo had to defeat Stephen
> Abas, the 2004 silver medalist, to make the team. Cejudo did, and won
> Olympic gold.
>
> Jake knows all these stories, rattling them off in a phone call. "Why
> should it be any different for me?" he asked rhetorically, adding, "If I
> can beat Sanderson, I can beat anybody in the world, and I can win the
> Olympics."
>
> Since graduating from Northwestern, Jake has bulked up to about 200
> pounds. He makes weight pretty easily -- wrestlers drop a lot of water
> weight in a remarkably quick amount of time without losing strength -- and
> said, "I'm a 200-pound man wrestling 185. That strength showed off in the
> Pan Ams. It's great to feel stronger, tougher, better than your opponents."
>
> Perhaps just as important, "Mentally, I'm right there."
>
> Jake has recent wins over, among others, Sharif Sharifov of Azerbaijan and
> Mihail Ganev of Bulgaria.
>
> Sharifov won the 2011 world gold medal. At those 2011 worlds, Sharifov
> defeated Sanderson.
>
> Ganev is the 2010 world champ.
>
> With his coach, Sean Bormet, Jake is now training in Ann Arbor. "This is
> the real stuff," he said. "It's physical chess. Position is always going to
> beat strength."
>
> There's only one downside, for a Northwestern guy, to being in Ann Arbor:
> "It's not just the college kids. It's 60-year-old men and 3-year-old kids.
> They're all wearing maize-and-blue."
>
> There's only one antidote, he said: "I wear my Wildcat gear."
>
> Jake added, "My job now is -- I have to put together the two best
> tournaments of my life. The Trials -- go out there and make the team. Then
> -- go out there and make the Olympics."
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  5 16:29:34 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:29:34 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Scores
Message-ID: <000f01cc9c02$04356ea0$0ca04be0$@com>

The team of Siemian and Colter take the 2nd half KO and score!

Now the UNL guys have to be worried.

(BTW the NU gametracker has NW and NEB for the teams - I guess they got pressure both
ways?)

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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  Senior League Softball World Series
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------------------------------------------------
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those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  5 16:37:31 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:37:31 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Holy Crap!
Message-ID: <001101cc9c03$20136a40$603a3ec0$@com>

Kain seems Able - one score and they're driving again.

I'd watch it on TV now, but we're winning with me listening to WGN and watching
Gametracker

rsl

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-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Nov  5 16:42:45 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 14:42:45 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] That was defensive holding....
Message-ID: <339D7FEF-C60A-4E29-B237-B1E2B290558F@me.com>

Colter would have had that easily but he was held. Brutal non-call leading to INT.

Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com





From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov  5 17:07:13 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:07:13 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa report
Message-ID: <20111105220713.7690E64CDC@romaine.tssi.com>

BTN reported that Persa has 'soft tissue damage' in his left
shoulder, not clear if he could play with the pain he's in.

Looks like Coulter and Siemian are going to have to put together
a long drive to ice this game.

But I'll take that 81 yard strike to Ebert!

Also, Brian Peters broke his left hand early in the game.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  5 17:09:20 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:09:20 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Take this from the last TD
Message-ID: <001201cc9c07$92223040$b66690c0$@com>

Fields punching the air as he cheered Ebert on during the TD run after the catch.

This is now a team!

rsl

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-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  5 17:18:59 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:18:59 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] talk about a "homer"
Message-ID: <001301cc9c08$eb7c8720$c2759560$@com>

The Color guy on the TV wants UNL to win sooooo bad!

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Nov  5 17:31:02 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 15:31:02 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] talk about a "homer"
In-Reply-To: <001301cc9c08$eb7c8720$c2759560$@com>
References: <001301cc9c08$eb7c8720$c2759560$@com>
Message-ID: <86BD2E3B-CA55-4B51-85A0-61A06F217AE7@me.com>

You know, of course, that's NU alum Chris Martin, right? He always goes a little too far to show his objectivity. Makes me wonder if he and Fitz were not very close back in the day.

Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 5, 2011, at 3:18 PM, Roy S. Lamberton wrote:

> The Color guy on the TV wants UNL to win sooooo bad!
> 
> rsl
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> Weather in Seaford: 
> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League 
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ================================================
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> ------------------------------------------------
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
> from those who are willing to work and give it to 
> those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
> I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
> I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  5 17:50:08 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:50:08 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Color guy is making excuses
Message-ID: <001401cc9c0d$451fed90$cf5fc8b0$@com>

already

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Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Nov  5 17:54:46 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 15:54:46 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Umm...
Message-ID: <B9D38F7F-6982-413D-81DC-C3B440C2D0B1@me.com>

Helmet to helmet?! No call?! Thank god he didn't break his neck!


Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com





From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  5 17:52:38 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:52:38 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] And one more thing....
Message-ID: <001501cc9c0d$9e9fea50$dbdfbef0$@com>

When did Tom Osborne coach in the Big 10????


rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 17:57:22 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:57:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Pass the crow, and some of that purple kool aid!
Message-ID: <1320533842.63812.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I dunno where this physical, smashmouth run game was for NU all year ... but sure glad they showed up in November!!! Welcome to the Big Ten, Nebraska!

Sparty fans can thank us later ... is this Fitz' second win over a top 10 team (Iowa #4), or do we have another I'm missing?

This game really felt like that Iowa game a few years back in Kinnick ... QB knocked out, we played our most physical game of the year and after the first quarter, you started to see NU's confidence grow that they could be on the field with these guys.

Nice to get a win in Lincoln ... now it's just darn Columbus and the Shoe that eludes many Cats fans in the NU road victory list for league play.

BIG win for bowl hopes and a big win that this team needed after that rough stretch in October. Now we gotta beat Rice and a resurgent Minnesota. The pro about the Sparty game is that they're one-dimensional too like UNL, the con is that their one dimension is the pass game (and I like our D against the run) and their D is pretty physical.

But those worries are for tomorrow. Big win in the road finale for the purple.
Tonight, REMEMBER THE ALAMO (Bowl) and WAY TO GO NU!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Hearing the chant of "DE-FENSE!!!" on BTN from the purple-clad fans in an otherwise silent Memorial Stadium with 20 second left? Awesome!!!


?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 18:01:23 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:01:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] purple kool aid!
Message-ID: <1320534083.79895.yint-ygo-j2me@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The next time I call for a 3-pointdouble-digit upset of UNLESS, believe me.

Victory & Honor,
Jim


On Sat Nov 5th, 2011 5:57 PM CDT SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

>I dunno where this physical, smashmouth run game was for NU all year ... but sure glad they showed up in November!!! Welcome to the Big Ten, Nebraska!
>
>Sparty fans can thank us later ... is this Fitz' second win over a top 10 team (Iowa #4), or do we have another I'm missing?
>
>This game really felt like that Iowa game a few years back in Kinnick ... QB knocked out, we played our most physical game of the year and after the first quarter, you started to see NU's confidence grow that they could be on the field with these guys.
>
>Nice to get a win in Lincoln ... now it's just darn Columbus and the Shoe that eludes many Cats fans in the NU road victory list for league play.
>
>BIG win for bowl hopes and a big win that this team needed after that rough stretch in October. Now we gotta beat Rice and a resurgent Minnesota. The pro about the Sparty game is that they're one-dimensional too like UNL, the con is that their one dimension is the pass game (and I like our D against the run) and their D is pretty physical.
>
>But those worries are for tomorrow. Big win in the road finale for the purple.
>Tonight, REMEMBER THE ALAMO (Bowl) and WAY TO GO NU!!!
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>
>PS - Hearing the chant of "DE-FENSE!!!" on BTN from the purple-clad fans in an otherwise silent Memorial Stadium with 20 second left? Awesome!!!
>
>
>?
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog at yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
>________________________________
>_______________________________________________
>nwu-sports site list
>nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Nov  5 18:07:49 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 16:07:49 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Downtown Charlie Brown!!!!
Message-ID: <ECC78247-A8D6-4973-B73B-4A4FC758519D@me.com>

DEEEEP sigh. 

Yes!!! I think the team has been this strong the whole season, just could never finish. And almost didn't today. Whew!

And Chris Martin really should never do another NU game. 


Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com





From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov  5 18:09:26 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:09:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] purple kool aid!
In-Reply-To: <1320534083.79895.yint-ygo-j2me@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111105230926.E9ED164D1C@romaine.tssi.com>

Too bad Minnesota couldn't complete the Division shuffle-up.

Really poor clock management by Nebraska in the 4th quarter.
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Nov  5 18:18:36 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:18:36 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Payback
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC015914@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

This win was for all of us who were at the Alamo Bowl.
 
Karma has a long memory.
 
Great to see the cats stand toe-to-toe with these guys and beat them at their own game.
 
Jeff

From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Nov  5 18:19:54 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:19:54 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] WOW!
Message-ID: <30E9F036F276460E90FB8E2E2D1DA2A1@dennismachine>

Who saw that one coming?  It was the Cats' best game since Iowa last year.  It helped that they were less than terrified by the Nebraska passing game.  And how about that Ebert running away from the Nebraska secondary on that 81-yarder!  The running game wasn't spectacular today, but it was relentlessly forward almost every play.  I never thought I'd live to see Schmidt run consecutive, possession-maintaining, plus-ten runs at crunch time.  Could the offensive line finally be learning how to block?

Now, kick Rice's ass!  (I still want to see Siemian start next week if Persa can't and Colter play wideout.)

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Nov  5 18:19:02 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:19:02 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Downtown Charlie Brown!!!!
References: <ECC78247-A8D6-4973-B73B-4A4FC758519D@me.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC015915@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Chris' whole afternoon was self-inflicting.
 
Jeff
________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jason Singer
Sent: Sat 11/5/2011 7:07 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] Downtown Charlie Brown!!!!



DEEEEP sigh.

Yes!!! I think the team has been this strong the whole season, just could never finish. And almost didn't today. Whew!

And Chris Martin really should never do another NU game.


Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com




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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov  5 18:20:53 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:20:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Pass the crow, and some of that purple kool aid!
In-Reply-To: <1320533842.63812.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111105232053.B92D264D27@romaine.tssi.com>

> I dunno where this physical, smashmouth run game was for NU all year ... but
> sure glad they showed up in November!!! Welcome to the Big Ten, Nebraska!

> Sparty fans can thank us later ... is this Fitz' second win over a top 10 
> team (Iowa #4), or do we have another I'm missing?

Don't think so.

Maybe Northwestern can do Nebraska a favor and knock off Michigan State,
sending the Huskers to Indianapolis.  

Going 4-0 in November would be a great way to finish the season.

Sure hope Persa is OK.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 18:27:38 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:27:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...
Message-ID: <1320535658.92520.YahooMailNeo@web121717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... want to prank call Rick Reilly or shove that smug condescending "welcome to the Big Ten, Nebraska / don't worry about Northwestern" column down his throat right now?

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 18:29:53 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 00:29:53 +0100
Subject: [NU Sports] WOW!
In-Reply-To: <30E9F036F276460E90FB8E2E2D1DA2A1@dennismachine>
References: <30E9F036F276460E90FB8E2E2D1DA2A1@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <9092539447033648696@unknownmsgid>

Um, I did.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 6, 2011, at 12:20 AM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

> Who saw that one coming?  It was the Cats' best game since Iowa last year.  It helped that they were less than terrified by the Nebraska passing game.  And how about that Ebert running away from the Nebraska secondary on that 81-yarder!  The running game wasn't spectacular today, but it was relentlessly forward almost every play.  I never thought I'd live to see Schmidt run consecutive, possession-maintaining, plus-ten runs at crunch time.  Could the offensive line finally be learning how to block?
>
> Now, kick Rice's ass!  (I still want to see Siemian start next week if Persa can't and Colter play wideout.)
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov  5 18:30:50 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:30:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...
In-Reply-To: <1320535658.92520.YahooMailNeo@web121717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111105233050.7552564D31@romaine.tssi.com>

> .. want to prank call Rick Reilly or shove that smug condescending "welcome
> to the Big Ten, Nebraska / don't worry about Northwestern" column down his
> throat right now?

We spent the last decade being the thorn in Iowa's side, maybe we can 
spend the next decade doing that to Nebraska?  (Yup, I could live with
that!)

The Nebraska game in Evanston next year just got a lot more interesting.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  5 18:33:55 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:33:55 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Pass the Purple Koo-Aid
Message-ID: <001601cc9c13$633f0d50$29bd27f0$@com>

I BELIEVE!!!!!!


Way to go Fitz & the team

Kain is Able, and for today, God is a Wildcat!

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  5 18:40:25 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:40:25 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...
In-Reply-To: <20111105233050.7552564D31@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1320535658.92520.YahooMailNeo@web121717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <20111105233050.7552564D31@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <002701cc9c14$4bfe2e90$e3fa8bb0$@com>

I saw this as a revenge game for the drubbing in the Alamo Bowl.

I just hope next year isn't their revenge for today.

But as Chuck Thompson used to say after an Oriole's win, "Ain't the Beer Cold!"

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:31 PM
To: sjtruog at yahoo.com
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...

> .. want to prank call Rick Reilly or shove that smug condescending "welcome
> to the Big Ten, Nebraska / don't worry about Northwestern" column down his
> throat right now?

We spent the last decade being the thorn in Iowa's side, maybe we can 
spend the next decade doing that to Nebraska?  (Yup, I could live with
that!)

The Nebraska game in Evanston next year just got a lot more interesting.
--
Mike Nolan

_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov  5 18:41:33 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:41:33 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] WOW!
In-Reply-To: <30E9F036F276460E90FB8E2E2D1DA2A1@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <20111105234133.4013364D1A@romaine.tssi.com>

> 
> Who saw that one coming?  

I can't really say I saw it coming, but my wife was hearing predictions
of a 50+ point blowout on East Campus all week, and she just kept
reminding people of the 'Cardiac Cats'.   

However, I did write this the other day:

> And I'm not convinced this year's Husker team is as good
> on defense as either of those squads were, despite their top
> ten ranking at the moment.

Bo may have to take back the Black Shirts that he gave out on Monday.
I just heard part of his press conference, it sounds like had been
telling his players all week long that Northwestern was a better team
than people were giving them credit for, and they missed the message.

I thought it would take a near-perfect game for Northwestern to have
a chance, and they actually lost the turnover margin battle.  

I also thought the Cats would have to pick Martinez off to win.

But Northwestern won the ground game, and Nebraska is much more likely 
to lose when they don't win the ground game.

BTN is reporting that the 81 yard Ebert TD reception is the 2nd longest
in Cats history, what was #1?
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov  5 18:43:46 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:43:46 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] 60 minutes!
Message-ID: <20111105234346.8D50464D3B@romaine.tssi.com>

What I liked best about today's win was that the Cats played well
for 60 minutes!
--
Mike Nolan


From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Nov  5 18:50:09 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 16:50:09 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...
In-Reply-To: <002701cc9c14$4bfe2e90$e3fa8bb0$@com>
References: <1320535658.92520.YahooMailNeo@web121717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <20111105233050.7552564D31@romaine.tssi.com>
 <002701cc9c14$4bfe2e90$e3fa8bb0$@com>
Message-ID: <B704EAD8-7878-4A1C-A087-A9A770954067@me.com>

Just wrote the following email to Rick Reilly:

"July 19th Big Ten Primer for Nebraska column:
Regarding Northwestern and their stupid Cat hats, you wrote "You do NOT have to worry about them".

Ready to retract that publicly? I know you stayed in Colorado for school, but perhaps you didn't get accepted to Medill for grad work? Just trying to figure out the vitriol.

Other than that, this Cat hat-wearing, NU alum finds your writing to be more on than off, so continued success to you and yours, just lay off the jokes that stopped being relevant in 1995. It's too easy for a writer like you.

Cheers! - jason singer, School of Speech, 1986"


Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Roy S. Lamberton wrote:

> I saw this as a revenge game for the drubbing in the Alamo Bowl.
> 
> I just hope next year isn't their revenge for today.
> 
> But as Chuck Thompson used to say after an Oriole's win, "Ain't the Beer Cold!"
> 
> rsl
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> Weather in Seaford: 
> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League 
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ================================================
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> ------------------------------------------------
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
> from those who are willing to work and give it to 
> those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
> I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
> I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> Nolan
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:31 PM
> To: sjtruog at yahoo.com
> Cc: NUSPORTS
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...
> 
>> .. want to prank call Rick Reilly or shove that smug condescending "welcome
>> to the Big Ten, Nebraska / don't worry about Northwestern" column down his
>> throat right now?
> 
> We spent the last decade being the thorn in Iowa's side, maybe we can 
> spend the next decade doing that to Nebraska?  (Yup, I could live with
> that!)
> 
> The Nebraska game in Evanston next year just got a lot more interesting.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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> 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Nov  5 18:50:08 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:50:08 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] WOW!
In-Reply-To: <9092539447033648696@unknownmsgid>
References: <30E9F036F276460E90FB8E2E2D1DA2A1@dennismachine>
 <9092539447033648696@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <A7EAEF5D-C85D-48E5-A1FB-BE5BA3945719@covisint.com>

Me too though it didn't exactly follow my scenario. The BTN cut away too quickly to be sure Lil Red escaped unscathed. 

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 5, 2011, at 7:30 PM, "Alan Abrahamson" <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Um, I did.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 6, 2011, at 12:20 AM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> Who saw that one coming?  It was the Cats' best game since Iowa last year.  It helped that they were less than terrified by the Nebraska passing game.  And how about that Ebert running away from the Nebraska secondary on that 81-yarder!  The running game wasn't spectacular today, but it was relentlessly forward almost every play.  I never thought I'd live to see Schmidt run consecutive, possession-maintaining, plus-ten runs at crunch time.  Could the offensive line finally be learning how to block?
>> 
>> Now, kick Rice's ass!  (I still want to see Siemian start next week if Persa can't and Colter play wideout.)
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 


From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 18:51:40 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:51:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Pass the Purple Koo-Aid
In-Reply-To: <001601cc9c13$633f0d50$29bd27f0$@com>
References: <001601cc9c13$633f0d50$29bd27f0$@com>
Message-ID: <8CE6A2CFFA66F95-C4C-107938@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com>


I, too, believe!  Every year, just when it looks like a season is getting away from Fitz and his "young men", he comes up with a signature win.  We now have "bowl eligibility" back in our sights.  Considering where we were just 2 weeks ago, that's pretty damn terrific.  I will always feel the sting of the Army and Illinois losses, but this win in Lincoln is a soothing balm for sure.  Our team played a virtually flawless game today, considering the level of the opposition--or at least the perceived level, as I don't think the Huskers are nearly as good as everyone rated them.  And Bo Pellini is not only a slob (that sweatshirt just has to go), but a lousy coach (at least when it comes to clock management and dealing with his players).  This one feels sooooooo gooooood.........!

Paul (the Neon is glowing in Rye) Levinson

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 5, 2011 7:35 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Pass the Purple Koo-Aid


I BELIEVE!!!!!!

ay to go Fitz & the team
Kain is Able, and for today, God is a Wildcat!
rsl
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oach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
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irector Media Relations - Little League 
 Senior League Softball World Series
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orthwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
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he democracy will cease to exist when you take away
rom those who are willing to work and give it to 
hose who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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 don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
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ell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 18:57:29 2011
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:57:29 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Umm...
In-Reply-To: <B9D38F7F-6982-413D-81DC-C3B440C2D0B1@me.com>
References: <B9D38F7F-6982-413D-81DC-C3B440C2D0B1@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAK_3xyKzGYgkHDn1kL24anm1e2XGpTB_dSZi-Ojvqe1RzP8RpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Agree 100%.  And I need to check the replay, but the tackle that sent Persa
out of the game looked like a horse-collar.


On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 5:54 PM, Jason Singer <jintsjason at me.com> wrote:

> Helmet to helmet?! No call?! Thank god he didn't break his neck!
>
>
> Jason Singer
> jintsjason at me.com
> jason at jasonsinger.com
>
>
>
>
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From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  5 18:59:13 2011
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:59:13 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] And one more thing....
In-Reply-To: <001501cc9c0d$9e9fea50$dbdfbef0$@com>
References: <001501cc9c0d$9e9fea50$dbdfbef0$@com>
Message-ID: <CAK_3xyKV2B6uegjxzuS2YnYWGA3iYMJ-jtbMXbz-92cNbj8vqg@mail.gmail.com>

No kidding, Roy.  You can't grandfather a team's history--their conference
history begins WHEN THEY JOIN.



On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> When did Tom Osborne coach in the Big 10????
>
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> Weather in Seaford:
> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ================================================
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> ------------------------------------------------
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
> from those who are willing to work and give it to
> those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do,
> I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 19:07:52 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 00:07:52 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] And one more thing....
In-Reply-To: <CAK_3xyKV2B6uegjxzuS2YnYWGA3iYMJ-jtbMXbz-92cNbj8vqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001501cc9c0d$9e9fea50$dbdfbef0$@com>
 <CAK_3xyKV2B6uegjxzuS2YnYWGA3iYMJ-jtbMXbz-92cNbj8vqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2010457240-1320538074-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-178693512-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Of course I predicted the upset all along.  Not !
Crow for once with a lot of seasoning tastes great

Harry

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Miller <artmiller1 at gmail.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:59:13 
To: Roy S. Lamberton<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] And one more thing....

No kidding, Roy.  You can't grandfather a team's history--their conference
history begins WHEN THEY JOIN.



On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> When did Tom Osborne coach in the Big 10????
>
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> Weather in Seaford:
> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ================================================
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> ------------------------------------------------
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
> from those who are willing to work and give it to
> those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do,
> I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov  5 19:12:11 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:12:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] And one more thing....
In-Reply-To: <2010457240-1320538074-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-178693512-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20111106001211.56FFC64D28@romaine.tssi.com>

> No kidding, Roy.  You can't grandfather a team's history--their conference
> history begins WHEN THEY JOIN.

Someone tell that to Joe Pa.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov  5 19:23:04 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:23:04 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Umm...
In-Reply-To: <CAK_3xyKzGYgkHDn1kL24anm1e2XGpTB_dSZi-Ojvqe1RzP8RpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111106002304.B811864D2F@romaine.tssi.com>

> Agree 100%.  And I need to check the replay, but the tackle that sent Persa
> out of the game looked like a horse-collar.

The one he got injured on wasn't, I don't think they showed a replay
on the second tackle.  

I think Nebraska was guilty of holding on their final TD play, but there
were several no-calls that I thought were questionable.  
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 20:04:49 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 01:04:49 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Umm...'BAMA-LSU
Message-ID: <1331407177-1320541324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124480584-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Who woulda thunk it?  'Cats have a better kicking game than the Crimson Tide!:-)
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: Arthur Miller
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Umm...
Sent: Nov 5, 2011 8:23 PM

> Agree 100%.  And I need to check the replay, but the tackle that sent Persa
> out of the game looked like a horse-collar.

The one he got injured on wasn't, I don't think they showed a replay
on the second tackle.  

I think Nebraska was guilty of holding on their final TD play, but there
were several no-calls that I thought were questionable.  
--
Mike Nolan

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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 20:12:43 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:12:43 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Payback
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC015914@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC015914@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <8CE6A3852004B16-DFC-106CAA@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>

   Amen. I traveled a long way to watch that beating.  Unlike that game, we controlled both sides of the line.  Quite impressive especially on defense.  We lived in their backfield on running downs and as Pat told Chris Martin; we took the fight to 'em.  Another important aspect was how our team reacted when there were a few bad plays, especially that interception that turned a 21-3 game into a 14-10 game.  Coach Walker is smiling big time right now; our Cats reacted well.  Can't tell all list members how happy I am to be wrong!  The "W" flag was raised under the "N" flag in York, Pa.  Good Stuff!
   GO CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!      Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 5, 2011 3:18 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Payback


This win was for all of us who were at the Alamo Bowl.
 
Karma has a long memory.
 
Great to see the cats stand toe-to-toe with these guys and beat them at their 
own game.
 
Jeff
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov  5 20:20:53 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:20:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Umm...'BAMA-LSU
In-Reply-To: <1331407177-1320541324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124480584-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20111106012054.38232646CE@romaine.tssi.com>

> Who woulda thunk it?  'Cats have a better kicking game than the Crimson Tide!:-)

I was expecting more offense from both teams.  But I thought the Nebraska
game was going to be a high scoring one, too.

Okie State is in a bit of trouble against KSU tonight.
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 20:42:51 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 01:42:51 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Umm...'BAMA-LSU
Message-ID: <1578336366-1320543607-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1755443491-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

The two defenses are both fantastic, although LSU misses assingments and has given up some big plays as a result.  Soumd familiar--except for last two games?  That was a key today--no big plays or breakdowns, which is partly a function of Martinez being a one-dimensional QB.
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: Arthur Miller
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Umm...'BAMA-LSU
Sent: Nov 5, 2011 9:20 PM

> Who woulda thunk it?  'Cats have a better kicking game than the Crimson Tide!:-)

I was expecting more offense from both teams.  But I thought the Nebraska
game was going to be a high scoring one, too.

Okie State is in a bit of trouble against KSU tonight.
--
Mike Nolan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  5 20:47:21 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:47:21 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] WOW!
Message-ID: <15370741.1320544042060.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

as did I!

-----Original Message-----
>From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
>Sent: Nov 5, 2011 4:29 PM
>To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
>Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] WOW!
>
>Um, I did.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Nov 6, 2011, at 12:20 AM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Who saw that one coming?  It was the Cats' best game since Iowa last year.  It helped that they were less than terrified by the Nebraska passing game.  And how about that Ebert running away from the Nebraska secondary on that 81-yarder!  The running game wasn't spectacular today, but it was relentlessly forward almost every play.  I never thought I'd live to see Schmidt run consecutive, possession-maintaining, plus-ten runs at crunch time.  Could the offensive line finally be learning how to block?
>>
>> Now, kick Rice's ass!  (I still want to see Siemian start next week if Persa can't and Colter play wideout.)
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  5 22:24:41 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 23:24:41 -0400
Subject: [NU Sports] Umm...'BAMA-LSU
In-Reply-To: <1578336366-1320543607-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1755443491-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1578336366-1320543607-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1755443491-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <003601cc9c33$9ff720a0$dfe561e0$@com>

I thought Martinez was a good as advertised but the key was that NU shut down a lot of the
option game all afternoon. Several times Burkhead was nailed in the backfield - he only
ran for 69 yards after you took off the 11 yards worth of TFL and their entire running
game ran for 149 yds but lost 27 for a net of only 122 yards. How many yards did they put
up in their win over MSU?

Martinez did out pass NU and distributed his throws to a fairly good number of receivers.

I really think the key was clock management at the end of the game, they almost threw in
the towel after their last TD drive, and the UNL Defense never did figure out how to stop
NU's running game. The two early fumble losses when they were driving in the first half
didn't help their cause either.

Guess they won't be in the top 10 tomorrow.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 9:43 PM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Umm...'BAMA-LSU

The two defenses are both fantastic, although LSU misses assingments and has given up some
big plays as a result.  Soumd familiar--except for last two games?  That was a key
today--no big plays or breakdowns, which is partly a function of Martinez being a
one-dimensional QB.
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: Arthur Miller
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Umm...'BAMA-LSU
Sent: Nov 5, 2011 9:20 PM

> Who woulda thunk it?  'Cats have a better kicking game than the Crimson Tide!:-)

I was expecting more offense from both teams.  But I thought the Nebraska
game was going to be a high scoring one, too.

Okie State is in a bit of trouble against KSU tonight.
--
Mike Nolan


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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov  5 23:12:50 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 04:12:50 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Umm...'BAMA-LSU
In-Reply-To: <003601cc9c33$9ff720a0$dfe561e0$@com>
References: <1578336366-1320543607-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1755443491-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
 <003601cc9c33$9ff720a0$dfe561e0$@com>
Message-ID: <1181932743-1320552605-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-294902679-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Have to disagree, Coach Roy.  He throws with almost as much sidearm motion as a submarine pitcher in baseball, and apparently cannot throw deep.  We could--and did--stack the box against him.

Meanwhile, what a night of College FB!  LSU over 'Bama with FG, Okie State hangs on against KSU, Razorbacks over Gamecocks, and even UCLA over Ariz State, which misses FG to win.  By the way, Les Miles was very classy in interview after big win.  He seems to get it.  He was calm on sideline during game, which seems to transmit to his team, and apparently isn't unwilling to suspend his players who go astray.  He actually seems to enjoy coaching in a big game.

And, of course, there was lots and lots of mentioning of 'Cats over Nebraska, with great replays of Ebert TD, etc--on CBS, ABCn ESPN,.....  Finally, some well-earned R-E-S-P-E-C-T.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 23:24:41 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; 'Mike Nolan'<nolan at tssi.com>
Cc: 'Northwestern Wildcats'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Umm...'BAMA-LSU

I thought Martinez was a good as advertised but the key was that NU shut down a lot of the
option game all afternoon. Several times Burkhead was nailed in the backfield - he only
ran for 69 yards after you took off the 11 yards worth of TFL and their entire running
game ran for 149 yds but lost 27 for a net of only 122 yards. How many yards did they put
up in their win over MSU?

Martinez did out pass NU and distributed his throws to a fairly good number of receivers.

I really think the key was clock management at the end of the game, they almost threw in
the towel after their last TD drive, and the UNL Defense never did figure out how to stop
NU's running game. The two early fumble losses when they were driving in the first half
didn't help their cause either.

Guess they won't be in the top 10 tomorrow.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 9:43 PM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Umm...'BAMA-LSU

The two defenses are both fantastic, although LSU misses assingments and has given up some
big plays as a result.  Soumd familiar--except for last two games?  That was a key
today--no big plays or breakdowns, which is partly a function of Martinez being a
one-dimensional QB.
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: Arthur Miller
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Umm...'BAMA-LSU
Sent: Nov 5, 2011 9:20 PM

> Who woulda thunk it?  'Cats have a better kicking game than the Crimson Tide!:-)

I was expecting more offense from both teams.  But I thought the Nebraska
game was going to be a high scoring one, too.

Okie State is in a bit of trouble against KSU tonight.
--
Mike Nolan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  5 23:43:36 2011
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:43:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
Message-ID: <1320554616.86807.YahooMailNeo@web161512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Greetings from Philadelphia where I seek a second helping of crow. ?No, I did NOT see that coming, but I would like to see it again.

Problem is, the cable network here (Comcast) doesn't make watching BTN easy (I was in a bar, and even then only for the second half).

If there is someone on the list who has a recording of this, I would like to get a copy. I will of course reimburse you for all costs. ?Please contact me off list.

On the second matter (rebroadcast), my mother in Chicago DOES get BTN and would like to watch the rebroadcast. Problem is, I will need to tell her when it airs. ?If anyone has that info and can pass it along I would appreciate it. ?Worst case, I get the DVD, watch it, then mail it to mom.

Go 'Cats!

Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey at yahoo.com

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov  5 23:53:57 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 23:53:57 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
In-Reply-To: <1320554616.86807.YahooMailNeo@web161512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111106045357.AC8F261118@romaine.tssi.com>

The only replay of it I see on BTN is at 11PM CST Sunday.  I don't know
when they'll announce the 'game of the week' or which games will be on
the 'game in 60' slots.
--
Mike Nolan


From cdueltgen at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sat Nov  5 23:53:57 2011
From: cdueltgen at alumni.northwestern.edu (Cynthia Dueltgen)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:53:57 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
In-Reply-To: <1320554616.86807.YahooMailNeo@web161512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1320554616.86807.YahooMailNeo@web161512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA+AhkEkJ50yiw4VJ_5Ze0y47UHpF1DC5R47c+5DCXZSB7ke4EQ@mail.gmail.com>

My DirecTV says it's on Sunday night at 11pm central time. I already
pulled it off my DVR, so I can't help you there. Sorry.

Hope that helps.

-Cynthia

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Christopher Bailey
<christopher_bailey at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings from Philadelphia where I seek a second helping of crow. ?No, I did NOT see that coming, but I would like to see it again.
>
> Problem is, the cable network here (Comcast) doesn't make watching BTN easy (I was in a bar, and even then only for the second half).
>
> If there is someone on the list who has a recording of this, I would like to get a copy. I will of course reimburse you for all costs. ?Please contact me off list.
>
> On the second matter (rebroadcast), my mother in Chicago DOES get BTN and would like to watch the rebroadcast. Problem is, I will need to tell her when it airs. ?If anyone has that info and can pass it along I would appreciate it. ?Worst case, I get the DVD, watch it, then mail it to mom.
>
> Go 'Cats!
>
> Christopher Bailey
> christopher_bailey at yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>


From khaderach at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  5 23:57:30 2011
From: khaderach at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Bowser)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:57:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
In-Reply-To: <1320554616.86807.YahooMailNeo@web161512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1320554616.86807.YahooMailNeo@web161512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1320555450.84725.YahooMailRC@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The online guide says the replay is Sunday night at 11:00 - 2:00 Central Time. 

Don't know if they've calculated for Daylight savings in the schedule...

- Bryan


----- Original Message ----
From: Christopher Bailey <christopher_bailey at yahoo.com>
To: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, November 5, 2011 11:43:36 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets

Greetings from Philadelphia where I seek a second helping of crow.  No, I did 
NOT see that coming, but I would like to see it again.

Problem is, the cable network here (Comcast) doesn't make watching BTN easy (I 
was in a bar, and even then only for the second half).

If there is someone on the list who has a recording of this, I would like to get 
a copy. I will of course reimburse you for all costs.  Please contact me off 
list.

On the second matter (rebroadcast), my mother in Chicago DOES get BTN and would 
like to watch the rebroadcast. Problem is, I will need to tell her when it airs. 
 If anyone has that info and can pass it along I would appreciate it.  Worst 
case, I get the DVD, watch it, then mail it to mom.

Go 'Cats!

Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey at yahoo.com
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Sat Nov  5 23:58:20 2011
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:58:20 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
In-Reply-To: <CA+AhkEkJ50yiw4VJ_5Ze0y47UHpF1DC5R47c+5DCXZSB7ke4EQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1320554616.86807.YahooMailNeo@web161512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <CA+AhkEkJ50yiw4VJ_5Ze0y47UHpF1DC5R47c+5DCXZSB7ke4EQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001f01cc9c40$b5070d40$1f1527c0$@warnerpatents.com>

BTN has a contract with Direct TV and most cable companies that carry the
BTN wherein, if BTN is part of your package, you can watch BTN live on-line.
You can also watch game replays when you want.  The replay is already
available to watch on-line at btn.com.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Cynthia Dueltgen
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 9:54 PM
To: Christopher Bailey
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets

My DirecTV says it's on Sunday night at 11pm central time. I already pulled
it off my DVR, so I can't help you there. Sorry.

Hope that helps.

-Cynthia

On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 9:43 PM, Christopher Bailey
<christopher_bailey at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greetings from Philadelphia where I seek a second helping of crow. ?No, I
did NOT see that coming, but I would like to see it again.
>
> Problem is, the cable network here (Comcast) doesn't make watching BTN
easy (I was in a bar, and even then only for the second half).
>
> If there is someone on the list who has a recording of this, I would like
to get a copy. I will of course reimburse you for all costs. ?Please contact
me off list.
>
> On the second matter (rebroadcast), my mother in Chicago DOES get BTN and
would like to watch the rebroadcast. Problem is, I will need to tell her
when it airs. ?If anyone has that info and can pass it along I would
appreciate it. ?Worst case, I get the DVD, watch it, then mail it to mom.
>
> Go 'Cats!
>
> Christopher Bailey
> christopher_bailey at yahoo.com
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

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From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 00:14:44 2011
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:14:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
In-Reply-To: <20111106045357.AC8F261118@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1320554616.86807.YahooMailNeo@web161512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <20111106045357.AC8F261118@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1320556484.87695.YahooMailNeo@web161517.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Mike, Cynthia, Bryan and Peter. ?I did wonder about the game of the week so I will keep an eye out there. Already told her of the 11pm rebroadcast, but at 84, not sure she will make it through that (and she has no dvr/vcr).

btn.com does have the game up, but it is available to premium subscribers, something I am not - yet anyway. ?Here is the link for anyone looking for it.

http://video.btn.com/allaccess/?school_code=nw&sport=m-footbl


Go 'Cats!

Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey at yahoo.com


________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets

The only replay of it I see on BTN is at 11PM CST Sunday.? I don't know
when they'll announce the 'game of the week' or which games will be on
the 'game in 60' slots.
--
Mike Nolan

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 00:23:15 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:23:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Umm...'BAMA-LSU
In-Reply-To: <20111106012054.38232646CE@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1331407177-1320541324-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-124480584-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
 <20111106012054.38232646CE@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1320556995.83245.YahooMailNeo@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

If it were a Big Ten game (say OSU/PSU), it would be derided as sloppy offense and poor special teams.

But since it's an SEC game, and the CBS announcers are the best company men in the business, this is an outstanding defensive slugfest that absolutely must be repeated in the national title game. And Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life because he likes SEC football.

Personally, I was underwhelmed by this "game of the century" and the "Honey Badgers" is an outright thug. There's being physical and aggressive on D and there's being a thug who takes cheap shots and that KO punch he threw on the punt return towards the end was as dirty as it gets - well, maybe not the Illini player kneeing our guy in the groin, but close. I'm sure he'll be suspended for the Southwest McNeese Tech A&M game that LSU has scheduled next.

If they didn't replay Michigan/OSU, they better not replay this one. If the SEC media hype machine (that now seems to have spread to the NFL with a story on Cam Newton or Tim Tebow every frickin' fifteen minutes!) wants a rematch so badly, have them rig their so-called "championship" game to match 'em up in Atlanta.

But really, who cares? NU over UN!!! WOOHOO!!! :) And at least this game did cause ESPN to remove the pompous Urban Meyer from the booth for the Big Ten game.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 00:23:48 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:23:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...
In-Reply-To: <B704EAD8-7878-4A1C-A087-A9A770954067@me.com>
References: <1320535658.92520.YahooMailNeo@web121717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <20111105233050.7552564D31@romaine.tssi.com>
 <002701cc9c14$4bfe2e90$e3fa8bb0$@com>
 <B704EAD8-7878-4A1C-A087-A9A770954067@me.com>
Message-ID: <1320557028.38765.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

LOVE it!
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
From: Jason Singer <jintsjason at me.com>
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Cc: 'Mike Nolan' <nolan at tssi.com>; sjtruog at yahoo.com; 'NUSPORTS' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...

Just wrote the following email to Rick Reilly:

"July 19th Big Ten Primer for Nebraska column:
Regarding Northwestern and their stupid Cat hats, you wrote "You do NOT have to worry about them".

Ready to retract that publicly? I know you stayed in Colorado for school, but perhaps you didn't get accepted to Medill for grad work? Just trying to figure out the vitriol.

Other than that, this Cat hat-wearing, NU alum finds your writing to be more on than off, so continued success to you and yours, just lay off the jokes that stopped being relevant in 1995. It's too easy for a writer like you.

Cheers! - jason singer, School of Speech, 1986"


Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Roy S. Lamberton wrote:

> I saw this as a revenge game for the drubbing in the Alamo Bowl.
> 
> I just hope next year isn't their revenge for today.
> 
> But as Chuck Thompson used to say after an Oriole's win, "Ain't the Beer Cold!"
> 
> rsl
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> Weather in Seaford: 
> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League 
>? Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ================================================
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> ------------------------------------------------
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
> from those who are willing to work and give it to 
> those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
> =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? = 
> I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
> I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
> =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ==========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> Nolan
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:31 PM
> To: sjtruog at yahoo.com
> Cc: NUSPORTS
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...
> 
>> .. want to prank call Rick Reilly or shove that smug condescending "welcome
>> to the Big Ten, Nebraska / don't worry about Northwestern" column down his
>> throat right now?
> 
> We spent the last decade being the thorn in Iowa's side, maybe we can 
> spend the next decade doing that to Nebraska?? (Yup, I could live with
> that!)
> 
> The Nebraska game in Evanston next year just got a lot more interesting.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Sun Nov  6 00:32:42 2011
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:32:42 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
In-Reply-To: <1320556484.87695.YahooMailNeo@web161517.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1320554616.86807.YahooMailNeo@web161512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <20111106045357.AC8F261118@romaine.tssi.com>
 <1320556484.87695.YahooMailNeo@web161517.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002001cc9c45$81976180$84c62480$@warnerpatents.com>

I am not a premium subscriber to BTN.  I have DirecTV on which I get BTN.
As such (as with most cable carriers), I get btn2go for free.  The replay is
available there now for free. Go to http://www.btn2go.com 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Bailey
Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 10:15 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets

Thanks Mike, Cynthia, Bryan and Peter. ?I did wonder about the game of the
week so I will keep an eye out there. Already told her of the 11pm
rebroadcast, but at 84, not sure she will make it through that (and she has
no dvr/vcr).

btn.com does have the game up, but it is available to premium subscribers,
something I am not - yet anyway. ?Here is the link for anyone looking for
it.

http://video.btn.com/allaccess/?school_code=nw&sport=m-footbl


Go 'Cats!

Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey at yahoo.com


________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets

The only replay of it I see on BTN is at 11PM CST Sunday.? I don't know when
they'll announce the 'game of the week' or which games will be on the 'game
in 60' slots.
--
Mike Nolan
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From clzahn at mindspring.com  Sun Nov  6 01:34:00 2011
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 23:34:00 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
In-Reply-To: <002001cc9c45$81976180$84c62480$@warnerpatents.com>
References: <1320554616.86807.YahooMailNeo@web161512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <20111106045357.AC8F261118@romaine.tssi.com>
 <1320556484.87695.YahooMailNeo@web161517.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <002001cc9c45$81976180$84c62480$@warnerpatents.com>
Message-ID: <4EB62A58.6030802@mindspring.com>

You have to receive BTN at home in order to watch it online.  I believe 
Christoper said that he doesn't get BTN with his current cable package.

On 11/05/2011 10:32 PM, Peter C. Warner wrote:
> I am not a premium subscriber to BTN.  I have DirecTV on which I get BTN.
> As such (as with most cable carriers), I get btn2go for free.  The replay is
> available there now for free. Go to http://www.btn2go.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Christopher Bailey
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 10:15 PM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
>
> Thanks Mike, Cynthia, Bryan and Peter.  I did wonder about the game of the
> week so I will keep an eye out there. Already told her of the 11pm
> rebroadcast, but at 84, not sure she will make it through that (and she has
> no dvr/vcr).
>
> btn.com does have the game up, but it is available to premium subscribers,
> something I am not - yet anyway.  Here is the link for anyone looking for
> it.
>
> http://video.btn.com/allaccess/?school_code=nw&sport=m-footbl
>
>
> Go 'Cats!
>
> Christopher Bailey
> christopher_bailey at yahoo.com
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
> To: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com
> Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com"<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 12:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
>
> The only replay of it I see on BTN is at 11PM CST Sunday.  I don't know when
> they'll announce the 'game of the week' or which games will be on the 'game
> in 60' slots.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>


From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 06:40:35 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:40:35 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...
In-Reply-To: <B704EAD8-7878-4A1C-A087-A9A770954067@me.com>
References: <1320535658.92520.YahooMailNeo@web121717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <20111105233050.7552564D31@romaine.tssi.com>
 <002701cc9c14$4bfe2e90$e3fa8bb0$@com>
 <B704EAD8-7878-4A1C-A087-A9A770954067@me.com>
Message-ID: <82609848-1320583236-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-438409169-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Didn't see the column but wonder if Fitz had it hung up I'm the locker room ?

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Singer <jintsjason at me.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 16:50:09 
To: Roy S. Lamberton<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Cc: 'NUSPORTS'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...

Just wrote the following email to Rick Reilly:

"July 19th Big Ten Primer for Nebraska column:
Regarding Northwestern and their stupid Cat hats, you wrote "You do NOT have to worry about them".

Ready to retract that publicly? I know you stayed in Colorado for school, but perhaps you didn't get accepted to Medill for grad work? Just trying to figure out the vitriol.

Other than that, this Cat hat-wearing, NU alum finds your writing to be more on than off, so continued success to you and yours, just lay off the jokes that stopped being relevant in 1995. It's too easy for a writer like you.

Cheers! - jason singer, School of Speech, 1986"


Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Roy S. Lamberton wrote:

> I saw this as a revenge game for the drubbing in the Alamo Bowl.
> 
> I just hope next year isn't their revenge for today.
> 
> But as Chuck Thompson used to say after an Oriole's win, "Ain't the Beer Cold!"
> 
> rsl
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> Weather in Seaford: 
> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League 
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ================================================
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> ------------------------------------------------
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
> from those who are willing to work and give it to 
> those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
> I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
> I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> Nolan
> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:31 PM
> To: sjtruog at yahoo.com
> Cc: NUSPORTS
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...
> 
>> .. want to prank call Rick Reilly or shove that smug condescending "welcome
>> to the Big Ten, Nebraska / don't worry about Northwestern" column down his
>> throat right now?
> 
> We spent the last decade being the thorn in Iowa's side, maybe we can 
> spend the next decade doing that to Nebraska?  (Yup, I could live with
> that!)
> 
> The Nebraska game in Evanston next year just got a lot more interesting.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 07:50:38 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:50:38 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU
Message-ID: <1206846836-1320587439-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-504348634-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

With all the focus on our big W yesterday nothing was mentioned from our listers of the brewing Nittany Lion scandal.  

Sure hope it doesn't touch Joe Pa but it will likely hurt PSU's reputation as being squeaky clean. Would be a shame

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From clzahn at mindspring.com  Sun Nov  6 08:01:34 2011
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 06:01:34 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU
In-Reply-To: <1206846836-1320587439-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-504348634-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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On 11/06/2011 05:50 AM, hakirsch at aol.com wrote:
> With all the focus on our big W yesterday nothing was mentioned from our listers of the brewing Nittany Lion scandal.
>
> Sure hope it doesn't touch Joe Pa but it will likely hurt PSU's reputation as being squeaky clean. Would be a shame
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
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It sure sounds like the administration screwed up big time.  Here in 
Washington they would be facing criminal charges for failing to report 
the abuse.

Clark


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 08:02:28 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:02:28 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
In-Reply-To: <1320556484.87695.YahooMailNeo@web161517.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1320554616.86807.YahooMailNeo@web161512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1679151603-1320588148-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1262774547-@b12.c4.bise6.blackberry>

One of the many very friendly fans at the game mentioned that you can buy every Husker game on DVD. I think this is the right place:

http://www.huskervideo.com/store/pc/2011-Season-on-DVD-c246.htm

Tom
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Bailey <christopher_bailey at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:14:44 
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: Christopher Bailey <christopher_bailey at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets

Thanks Mike, Cynthia, Bryan and Peter. ?I did wonder about the game of the week so I will keep an eye out there. Already told her of the 11pm rebroadcast, but at 84, not sure she will make it through that (and she has no dvr/vcr).

btn.com does have the game up, but it is available to premium subscribers, something I am not - yet anyway. ?Here is the link for anyone looking for it.

http://video.btn.com/allaccess/?school_code=nw&sport=m-footbl


Go 'Cats!

Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey at yahoo.com


________________________________
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To: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets

The only replay of it I see on BTN is at 11PM CST Sunday.? I don't know
when they'll announce the 'game of the week' or which games will be on
the 'game in 60' slots.
--
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Nov  6 08:15:19 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 09:15:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Trivia qn
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC3742AE507@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Who was the starting QB for NU in its last previous regular season game against Nebraska?

Scroll down for answer...


























Steve Moor in '74 (that was before my time @ NU, but I've met him since and he's a very good guy)

From clzahn at mindspring.com  Sun Nov  6 08:31:18 2011
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 06:31:18 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
In-Reply-To: <1679151603-1320588148-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1262774547-@b12.c4.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1320554616.86807.YahooMailNeo@web161512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <4EB69A36.1040107@mindspring.com>

I will burn a limited # of copies with the requirement that the 
recipient make a donation to the Wildcat fund.

Clark

On 11/06/2011 06:02 AM, Tom Maycock wrote:
> One of the many very friendly fans at the game mentioned that you can buy every Husker game on DVD. I think this is the right place:
>
> http://www.huskervideo.com/store/pc/2011-Season-on-DVD-c246.htm
>
> Tom
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Bailey<christopher_bailey at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:14:44
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: Christopher Bailey<christopher_bailey at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
>
> Thanks Mike, Cynthia, Bryan and Peter.  I did wonder about the game of the week so I will keep an eye out there. Already told her of the 11pm rebroadcast, but at 84, not sure she will make it through that (and she has no dvr/vcr).
>
> btn.com does have the game up, but it is available to premium subscribers, something I am not - yet anyway.  Here is the link for anyone looking for it.
>
> http://video.btn.com/allaccess/?school_code=nw&sport=m-footbl
>
>
> Go 'Cats!
>
> Christopher Bailey
> christopher_bailey at yahoo.com
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
> To: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com
> Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com"<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 12:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
>
> The only replay of it I see on BTN is at 11PM CST Sunday.  I don't know
> when they'll announce the 'game of the week' or which games will be on
> the 'game in 60' slots.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> _______________________________________________
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 09:05:00 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 07:05:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz's biggest win
Message-ID: <1320591900.69277.YahooMailNeo@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

Yesterday was a HUGE day for our young coach. I am really proud of Fitz. It would have been easy for the team to mail it in and take the expected pounding in Lincoln yesterday. Fitz managed to keep everyone focused (including his staff). This win is a much bigger than beating Iowa in 2009. Nebraska's home field advantage is legendary and our team had yet to play a full 60 minutes of football.?

I am now optimistic that we can hit 6-6. Whether or not that means a bowl, it would be a huge finish after the 5-game losing streak.?

Fitz needs to keep everyone focused this week to avoid a letdown. Cats eat Rice!

Victory & Honor,
Jim

From yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sun Nov  6 09:11:12 2011
From: yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu (Evan Bradley)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:11:12 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
In-Reply-To: <4EB69A36.1040107@mindspring.com>
References: <1320554616.86807.YahooMailNeo@web161512.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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and this just in via Twitter:

@NU_Sports The @BigTenNetwork will re-air #Northwestern's 28-25 win at
Nebraska tonight at 7pm CT after fans voted it the BTN Game of the
Week! #NUvsNU

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Clark Zahn <clzahn at mindspring.com> wrote:
> I will burn a limited # of copies with the requirement that the recipient
> make a donation to the Wildcat fund.
>
> Clark
>
> On 11/06/2011 06:02 AM, Tom Maycock wrote:
>>
>> One of the many very friendly fans at the game mentioned that you can buy
>> every Husker game on DVD. I think this is the right place:
>>
>> http://www.huskervideo.com/store/pc/2011-Season-on-DVD-c246.htm
>>
>> Tom
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Christopher Bailey<christopher_bailey at yahoo.com>
>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:14:44
>> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Reply-To: Christopher Bailey<christopher_bailey at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
>>
>> Thanks Mike, Cynthia, Bryan and Peter. ?I did wonder about the game of the
>> week so I will keep an eye out there. Already told her of the 11pm
>> rebroadcast, but at 84, not sure she will make it through that (and she has
>> no dvr/vcr).
>>
>> btn.com does have the game up, but it is available to premium subscribers,
>> something I am not - yet anyway. ?Here is the link for anyone looking for
>> it.
>>
>> http://video.btn.com/allaccess/?school_code=nw&sport=m-footbl
>>
>>
>> Go 'Cats!
>>
>> Christopher Bailey
>> christopher_bailey at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
>> To: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com
>> Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com"<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 12:53 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] DVD/rebroadcast requets
>>
>> The only replay of it I see on BTN is at 11PM CST Sunday. ?I don't know
>> when they'll announce the 'game of the week' or which games will be on
>> the 'game in 60' slots.
>> --
>> Mike Nolan
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Nov  6 09:16:31 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:16:31 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
References: <8CE665539875CF3-8F4-119302@webmail-m131.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC015916@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Dennis,

 

I just couldn't resist your claim of rarely being wrong.

 

Bottom line in my opinion, this team just took a while to find themselves.  Whether it was the uncertainty surrounding Persa, or the number of underclassmen that ended up starting, or increased sunspot activity - I can't say.  

 

What I can say is that the win in Lincoln wasn't a fluke.  NU won an old fashioned smash mouth toe to toe BT football game.  That last seven minute TD drive would have brought a tear to Woody Hayes' eye.  

 

NU had every opportunity to pack it in, but showed heart and character playing on the road against a top-10 team.  They overcame every obstacle and more importantly every nay sayer who felt that they weren't talented enough or well coached enough to be on the same field with Nebraska. 

 

Kudo's to Fitz and the coaching staff for taking the blame for past losses.  They kept coaching the team up and finally got them to believe what the coaching staff had been telling them all season - if they play up to their potential they can beat anybody in the league.  Fitz has again set them up for a big November run.  That's what good coaches do.

 

There is no talent deficit on this team.  

 

There is no coaching deficit on this team.

 

They are now officially dangerous and it will be fun to watch them play the rest of the season.  

 

Jeff

 

Dennis wrote <snip>

 

11/1

 I suggest the only chance we have this Saturday is if the Nebraska team bus
is involved in a high-speed head-on with a semi on the way to the stadium.
I will be shocked, albeit happy, if we give up less than 45 points. We
ain't got the horses on D to stop Indiana much less Nebraska, and I doubt
we'll score 46. I'd be happy to be wrong on this one rare occasion.

 

10/24
I want to see Trevor Siemian in there at QB if Persa can't go.  I am not sold on Kain Colter as a QB. He's not that good a passer, and while he can motor, he certainly does not have Denard Robinson's elusiveness to be principally a running quarterback.  Siemian looks like he can heave the ball with some accuracy.  I'm not certain why Fitz doesn't insert Colter at running back.  He sure couldn't hurt us any, and he's a good deal faster and more elusive than anyone else we have.

AND

RW's defenses were always bad.  Indeed, the 2000 team's defense was about as poor as this year's version.  We won shootouts that year because defenses hadn't yet figured out the spread.  The only chance we have against Michigan, Ohio State, and Penn State is if they have a down year.  We have defeated Michigan once in a freakish shootout and PSU and OSU never since the Fitz-at-linebacker years when those three were playing at their expected level.  You've got to defeat the big three if you want to win the Big Ten championship.

 

Unlike you, I am not happy with no longer being the Big Ten doormat, and that damn well isn't good enough for Pat Fitzgerald.

 

AND

> I'm sorry.  In my view, NU is not a good team.  On defense  

> especially, they plainly do not have the athleticism and strength to 

> match up  with most Big Ten teams.  Maybe the Cats can beat Indiana 

> and Minnesota  (that is by no means certain), but NU must 

> significantly upgrade its talent to  play four quarters against a 

> Michigan, Iowa or Penn State. "Better  execution" is not the answer.  

> That is an illusion.  "Better players"  are needed and I don't see any 

> on the immediate horizon.

 

Well said.  Maybe the rest of the list will believe you.

 

10/23

Our defense is nothing short of terrible.  It's not quite like the dismal days of yore, but they're getting there.  There is no excuse given the number of experienced players in the lineup.  And by the second half, our offense wears down because the offensive line lacks the size and strength to play an entire game against a tough defense.  Please, no excuses about if we'd have done this or that or gotten this break we would have won last night.  We got whooped by a physically superior team just as we did against Michigan and will several more times before the season ends sans bowl game. 

 

10/16

I don't see doormat in this team because I don't see laughable teams we once fielded.  What I do see is a team that is still short on individual talent, particularly at running back and in both lines, and I also sense some egregious coaching issues.  Our secondary people may not cover well one-on-one, but those playing most of the downs are juniors and seniors, not mint-green freshman.  Yet they look utterly confused, not once in a while, but regularly, and they aren't getting any better. That smacks of coaching problems, as post-game comments from Demetrius Dugar (whose interception indicates that he has skills) would strongly suggest.

 

10/15

As Iowa scores its 40th point (pending another one of those damn reviews), it must be said that right now Northwestern is a bad football team.  That is shocking given that it is not that different a team from last season.  Our secondary, half of which is very experienced, has played pathetically, our pass rush remains non-existent , we can't stop anyone's running game, we don't have a good running back on the team, and our experienced offensive line can't block very well.  To make matters worse, Persa's foot is obviously not healed (that or he can't yet trust it), forcing us into a two quarterback system that isn't working very well.  Why doesn't Fitz make Colter our featured running back?  Lord knows he can't be anything but better than what we have now.  I don't usually pick on coaches, but one must ask if there aren't some problems on the sideline, especially on the defensive side.

 

 


________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Tue 11/1/2011 1:19 PM
To: Tom Maycock; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers



I suggest the only chance we have this Saturday is if the Nebraska team bus
is involved in a high-speed head-on with a semi on the way to the stadium.
I will be shocked, albeit happy, if we give up less than 45 points.  We
ain't got the horses on D to stop Indiana much less Nebraska, and I doubt
we'll score 46.  I'd be happy to be wrong on this one rare occasion.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Maycock" <tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers


> key is continuing to play the way we did in

> Bloomington.

If our offense plays like they did against Indiana, we might have a chance.
The problem is that if our defense plays the way the did against Indiana,
Nebraska will score 70 by the end of the 3rd quarter.

The good news is that Nebraska's offense is not good at long drives, or at
converting 3rd downs. So a decent defense has a chance to force a lot of
punts.

But Nebraska is really good at popping big plays, both in the passing game
and in the running game, and big plays have been the Cats' weakness all
season long. That's scary.

Special teams scare me as well. Our kickoffs seem to have been getting
shorter and shorter as the year goes on, which is not a good thing given
we'll be kicking off to Abdullah. And it's usually Burkhead fielding
punts--that's scary too.


We'll need a better outing by far than we've seen from the D and special
teams all year. I'm actually somewhat optimistic that it might happen, but
the Indiana game sure doesn't give me much confidence along those lines.

I wonder if NU will run its usual tempo on offense, or try to shorten the
game by burning a lot of clock? The latter might be a smart approach.

Nebraska actually runs up-tempo a lot of the time as well, so it could get
pretty crazy if both teams stick to that pace.

Tom
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From bondscoop at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 09:17:35 2011
From: bondscoop at gmail.com (Michael Jackson)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 09:17:35 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Damning story about PSU defensive coordinator Jerry
	Sandusky
Message-ID: <077e01cc9c97$36fff2c0$a4ffd840$@gmail.com>

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/if-jerry-sandusky-allegations-are-true-
penn-state-and-joe-paterno-deserve/2011/11/05/gIQAYIucqM_story.html  

 

This will hurt the reputation of Paterno and the whole Penn State athletic
department if true.  As a father of a son, it sickens me.  How do you not
report allegations like this to the authorities. 


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 09:25:33 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:25:33 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Joe must go
Message-ID: <2097824292-1320593135-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1333104960-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>

Read the details on the PSU mess and you discover Joe knew all about it and did nothing. 

He can't survive this hideous scandal and he shouldn't. Neither should PSU president Spanier. Everybody must go. 

It is a shame, but Joe and his cronies protected a buddy they knew was sick and needed help and helped him avoid the law. 

This makes your average recruiting scandal look like absolutely nothing. 

Joe must go. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 09:52:14 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:52:14 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Joe must go
Message-ID: <1367603978-1320594734-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-771477124-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

I think we have to be careful in the rush to judgement.  Accusations are easy to hurl. It may come out that Joe was complicit, but we don't know that yet.  Remember Duke Lacrosse. Remember Atlanta Olympic bombing

Harry
------Original Message------
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
To: Harry
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Subject: Joe must go
Sent: Nov 6, 2011 7:25 AM

Read the details on the PSU mess and you discover Joe knew all about it and did nothing. 

He can't survive this hideous scandal and he shouldn't. Neither should PSU president Spanier. Everybody must go. 

It is a shame, but Joe and his cronies protected a buddy they knew was sick and needed help and helped him avoid the law. 

This makes your average recruiting scandal look like absolutely nothing. 

Joe must go. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 09:56:02 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:56:02 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Joe must go
Message-ID: <547607251-1320594963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-748392862-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>

I would normally agree and of course no one has been found guilty but these accusations and the pattern of the coverup are much, much more credible and come from multiple sources. 

Read the grand jury report. It is devastating. 

As for Joe, he may not be guilty of perjury or obstruction but innocent he was not, either. 

Brad Wilson
------Original Message------
From: hakirsch at aol.com
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: hakirsch at aol.com
Subject: Re: Joe must go
Sent: Nov 6, 2011 10:52

I think we have to be careful in the rush to judgement.  Accusations are easy to hurl. It may come out that Joe was complicit, but we don't know that yet.  Remember Duke Lacrosse. Remember Atlanta Olympic bombing

Harry
------Original Message------
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
To: Harry
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Subject: Joe must go
Sent: Nov 6, 2011 7:25 AM

Read the details on the PSU mess and you discover Joe knew all about it and did nothing. 

He can't survive this hideous scandal and he shouldn't. Neither should PSU president Spanier. Everybody must go. 

It is a shame, but Joe and his cronies protected a buddy they knew was sick and needed help and helped him avoid the law. 

This makes your average recruiting scandal look like absolutely nothing. 

Joe must go. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Nov  6 10:01:39 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 11:01:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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BEAMSLEY: I just couldn't resist your claim of rarely being wrong.
BRANDT:  When it comes to sports, everyone is wrong at times.  On other 
matters, formulating a cogent argument is not a claim of perfection, but it 
does often silence the opposition, as it certainly has in this case.

BEAMSLEY: What I can say is that the win in Lincoln wasn't a fluke.  NU won 
an old fashioned smash mouth toe to toe BT football game.  That last seven 
minute TD drive would have brought a tear to Woody Hayes' eye.
BRANDT:  That is true.  They did play the best defensive game of the season, 
and they way they moved the ball at crunch time was a marvel to watch.

BEAMSLEY: NU had every opportunity to pack it in, but showed heart and 
character playing on the road against a top-10 team.  They overcame every 
obstacle and more importantly every nay sayer who felt that they weren't 
talented enough or well coached enough to be on the same field with 
Nebraska.
BRANDT:  Also true.  But whatever the polls may state, Nebraska obviously 
was not a top ten team going into yesterday's game and certainly did not 
play like one.

BEAMSLEY: There is no talent deficit on this team.
BRANDT:  Sorry, oh ye of great faith, but that is dead wrong.  We have but 
three stars on offense, but we have built a good offense around them.  We 
have no stars on defense at this point, which is why we are ranked among the 
worst defenses in the nation.  One win, glorious as it is, does not suddenly 
grant halfway decent players all-conference status.  Again yesterday there 
were zero sacks and a still-porous pass defense.  We clearly eschewed the 
pass yesterday to concentrate on the run.  We should thank the Nebraska 
coaching staff for concentrating on the run in the first half.  They scored 
all their TDs in the second half AFTER they started passing more often.  Had 
they passed the entire game, it is highly unlikely that we would have won 
the game because we have yet to stop anyone from passing.

BEAMSLEY: There is no coaching deficit on this team.
BRANDT: Define "deficit."  Fitz's enthusiasm spreads throughout the team, 
and that is superb.  But there again were some questionable, overly 
conservative play-calls.  And the continued us of a double quarterback 
system when you have, if healthy, one of the finest quarterbacks in the 
nation is, as the king of Siam once said, "a puzzlement."  On a positive 
note, we don't have Jerry Sandusky on staff.  I hope.






From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 11:25:21 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:25:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz's biggest win
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Jim,

Having finally met you at the BC game (another happy time this up-and-down season), I agree with everything you said--almost.  I see no reason--unless Persa is out for the season--why we can't finish 7-5.  Granted, it will be tough to run the table at home, given that (a) Minny is playing better and (b) Sparty will be awfully tough, but our team is finally playing as a team for 60 minutes.  When they do that, they are competitive and can "expect victory".  

I looked at Purdue's remaining schedule, since they are clearly our chief rivals for the coveted invite to the "Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl" (wouldn't it be cooler to have the "Herman Cain Godfather's Pizza Bowl" instead?), which, apparently is the only bowl we can probably make.  The Boilers play at home the next two weeks against tOSU and Iowa.  Hopefully, they lose both of those, and then they finish at Bloomington, where the Hoosiers would love nothing better than to knock them out entirely.  They are 4-5, like the 'Cats, so whoever plays better down the stretch will get the bowl bid.

I know that Detroit ain't a great achievement, but it sure beats going nowhere.  We have to start by crisping Rice, follow with a win over the Gophers, and then, with all of that momentum (i.e., 4-game winning streak), take it to the Spartans and get some nice revenge for our recent tank jobs against them.  It won't be easy, but its doable, and I think our guys are now hungry, committed and ready to take on the challenge.  And Coach Hank and Fitz have finallly settled upon a lineup and scheme that affords our defensive unit the ability to keep us in games, which is all we need with our high-octane offense.  Yesterday was the first time in a long time when I didn't audibly groan every time the defense took the field.  We also need Budzien to kick some clutch FG's in the next few weeks, since, as the weather turns colder and affects the scoring more, we will need those 3-pointers to come out on top, especially against Sparty, which has a great kicker.

So let's go 'Cats.  As Fitz says, make it a "November to remember".  And Dennis Brandt, try to look at the glass here as half-full  When Colter hit Ebert on that 81-yard TD, those were two athletes who can compete at any level, and what's great is that they are our guys and know their way around a classroom and the Library, too.  To these somewhat unsophisticated eyes, Fitz is clearly recruiting faster, stronger, fitter players than we ever saw wear the Purple and White--think Venric Mark, too.  What's more we actually pounded Nebraska in the trenches--when in this lifetime did any of us ever think we would see that?

Paul Levinson



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 6, 2011 10:05 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz's biggest win


Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
Yesterday was a HUGE day for our young coach. I am really proud of Fitz. It 
ould have been easy for the team to mail it in and take the expected pounding 
n Lincoln yesterday. Fitz managed to keep everyone focused (including his 
taff). This win is a much bigger than beating Iowa in 2009. Nebraska's home 
ield advantage is legendary and our team had yet to play a full 60 minutes of 
ootball. 
I am now optimistic that we can hit 6-6. Whether or not that means a bowl, it 
ould be a huge finish after the 5-game losing streak. 
Fitz needs to keep everyone focused this week to avoid a letdown. Cats eat Rice!
Victory & Honor,
im
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From jintsjason at me.com  Sun Nov  6 11:27:49 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:27:49 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats-Huskers Big Ten Game of the Week on BTN
Message-ID: <54CE207F-9E97-494C-8C7C-5AFC8C732265@me.com>

In spite of an incredible Iowa-Michigan finish, fans voted our game as the Game of the Week so it will air on BTN at 8pmE, 5pmW. Just a head's up.


Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com





From jintsjason at me.com  Sun Nov  6 11:29:18 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:29:18 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...
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SORRY! Meant to link article to my post. Here's Reilly's article in July that ridiculed NU.

http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/6783415/rick-reilly-nebraska-big-ten-primer

Jason Singer
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On Nov 5, 2011, at 10:23 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

> LOVE it!
>  
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> 
> From: Jason Singer <jintsjason at me.com>
> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
> Cc: 'Mike Nolan' <nolan at tssi.com>; sjtruog at yahoo.com; 'NUSPORTS' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 5, 2011 4:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...
> 
> Just wrote the following email to Rick Reilly:
> 
> "July 19th Big Ten Primer for Nebraska column:
> Regarding Northwestern and their stupid Cat hats, you wrote "You do NOT have to worry about them".
> 
> Ready to retract that publicly? I know you stayed in Colorado for school, but perhaps you didn't get accepted to Medill for grad work? Just trying to figure out the vitriol.
> 
> Other than that, this Cat hat-wearing, NU alum finds your writing to be more on than off, so continued success to you and yours, just lay off the jokes that stopped being relevant in 1995. It's too easy for a writer like you.
> 
> Cheers! - jason singer, School of Speech, 1986"
> 
> 
> Jason Singer
> jintsjason at me.com
> jason at jasonsinger.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Roy S. Lamberton wrote:
> 
> > I saw this as a revenge game for the drubbing in the Alamo Bowl.
> > 
> > I just hope next year isn't their revenge for today.
> > 
> > But as Chuck Thompson used to say after an Oriole's win, "Ain't the Beer Cold!"
> > 
> > rsl
> > 
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> > Computer Applications & Support Associates
> > Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> > Weather in Seaford: 
> > http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
> > -------------------- Also ----------------------
> > "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> > Director Media Relations - Little League 
> >  Senior League Softball World Series
> > CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> > Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
> > Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> > Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> > ================================================
> > Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> > those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
> > from those who are willing to work and give it to 
> > those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
> > =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
> > I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
> > I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
> > =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> > If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
> > tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
> >                  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> > ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
> > Nolan
> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 7:31 PM
> > To: sjtruog at yahoo.com
> > Cc: NUSPORTS
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Anyone else ...
> > 
> >> .. want to prank call Rick Reilly or shove that smug condescending "welcome
> >> to the Big Ten, Nebraska / don't worry about Northwestern" column down his
> >> throat right now?
> > 
> > We spent the last decade being the thorn in Iowa's side, maybe we can 
> > spend the next decade doing that to Nebraska?  (Yup, I could live with
> > that!)
> > 
> > The Nebraska game in Evanston next year just got a lot more interesting.
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> > 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Nov  6 11:47:32 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:47:32 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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Dennis,
 
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to write about stuff that I believe in.
 
On being wrong:
All of us are wrong most of the time, that's what makes this fun.  Very few us us claim to be otherwise.
 
Quality of NU's win:
Nebraska did not play badly, as you pointed out.  Martinez had a career passing day.  There were no fluke plays that resulted in scores. There were no special teams scores.  If anything UNL had more questionable calls go their way than NU.  UNL won the turnover battle.  NU had more starters go down than UNL.  Total offense was about the same.  What really jumps out from the stats is time of possession in the second half - NU - 19  UNL - 11.  That's where the game was won.  
 
This is the same UNL team that beat MSU 24-3 the week before in Lincoln.  In that game they shut down MSU's "talented" running game and forced MSU to throw the ball.  On offense, Burkhead scored twice and carried the ball 35 times because MSU couldn't stop him.
 
NU won yesterday because we DID stop the UNL run, and because UNL COULDN'T stop our "only three stars" running game.
 
At this point in the season every team knows the other team's strengths and weaknesses.  The teams that win are the teams the execute.  NU imposed its will on UNL and made them play our game.  That's not a fluke.
 
On talent:
UNL has certainly had better recruiting classes than NU dating probably back to Otto Graham.  They also almost certainly have more "multi-star" athletes on their side of the ball than NU does.  But potential doesn't mean squat once the game starts.
 
Here are a few examples from yesterday.
 
Ebert (ranked the 185th best receiver in the country out of high school) outran three UNL defenders who each had more stars on their recruiting sheets than he did.  Their "stars" did not help them catch him.
 
Coulter (ranked in 49th QB in the country out of HS) outran two UNL linebackers (David four stars) to gain the corner, leap into the air from the four yard line, transfer the ball from his right hand to his left hand, and hit the pylon as he was going out of bounds for the score.  That's talent.
 
Our linebacker and secondary crew tackled Burkhead (four stars) one on one in the open field for loses or short gains all day holding him to 50 yards - his worst game of the season.  
 
On coaching:
Who did a better job managing the clock in the second half. Fitz or Pelini?
 
Who did a better job of making adjustments both on defense and offense DURING the game, Fitz or Pelini?
 
Who did a better job motivating his players to compete for 60 minutes and overcome turnovers and injuries, Fitz or Pelini?
 
You (and others) were ready to give up this team for dead and questioned whether Fitz and his staff had lost their mojo.  Fitz and his coaching staff, however, didn't give up.  They believed.  Yesterday, you saw what happens when a whole team shares that belief - they can beat anyone.  
 
Belief has been the hallmark of EVERY successful NU team, and now this team has it too.  
 
I DO have faith that it is this BELIEF that sets NU football apart from the rest.  I agree that, as a result, it DOES take great faith to be an NU fan.  Fortunately when that faith is rewarded, as it was yesterday, we of GREAT FAITH experience greater joy than those whose faith is only in the stars.
 
Jeff

________________________________

From: Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng at comcast.net]
Sent: Sun 11/6/2011 11:01 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Tom Maycock; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers



BEAMSLEY: I just couldn't resist your claim of rarely being wrong.
BRANDT:  When it comes to sports, everyone is wrong at times.  On other
matters, formulating a cogent argument is not a claim of perfection, but it
does often silence the opposition, as it certainly has in this case.

BEAMSLEY: What I can say is that the win in Lincoln wasn't a fluke.  NU won
an old fashioned smash mouth toe to toe BT football game.  That last seven
minute TD drive would have brought a tear to Woody Hayes' eye.
BRANDT:  That is true.  They did play the best defensive game of the season,
and they way they moved the ball at crunch time was a marvel to watch.

BEAMSLEY: NU had every opportunity to pack it in, but showed heart and
character playing on the road against a top-10 team.  They overcame every
obstacle and more importantly every nay sayer who felt that they weren't
talented enough or well coached enough to be on the same field with
Nebraska.
BRANDT:  Also true.  But whatever the polls may state, Nebraska obviously
was not a top ten team going into yesterday's game and certainly did not
play like one.

BEAMSLEY: There is no talent deficit on this team.
BRANDT:  Sorry, oh ye of great faith, but that is dead wrong.  We have but
three stars on offense, but we have built a good offense around them.  We
have no stars on defense at this point, which is why we are ranked among the
worst defenses in the nation.  One win, glorious as it is, does not suddenly
grant halfway decent players all-conference status.  Again yesterday there
were zero sacks and a still-porous pass defense.  We clearly eschewed the
pass yesterday to concentrate on the run.  We should thank the Nebraska
coaching staff for concentrating on the run in the first half.  They scored
all their TDs in the second half AFTER they started passing more often.  Had
they passed the entire game, it is highly unlikely that we would have won
the game because we have yet to stop anyone from passing.

BEAMSLEY: There is no coaching deficit on this team.
BRANDT: Define "deficit."  Fitz's enthusiasm spreads throughout the team,
and that is superb.  But there again were some questionable, overly
conservative play-calls.  And the continued us of a double quarterback
system when you have, if healthy, one of the finest quarterbacks in the
nation is, as the king of Siam once said, "a puzzlement."  On a positive
note, we don't have Jerry Sandusky on staff.  I hope.




From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 12:12:49 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:12:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Joe must go
Message-ID: <1826c.50526e6c.3be82821@aol.com>

It is a shame but as the front page story in the NY Times points out, it  
was not only wrong but illegal to not report this, Joe must  go.

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 12:22:37 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:22:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Joe must go
Message-ID: <57f62.46bed968.3be82a6c@aol.com>

WSJ story states that Penn State is one of just four major-conference  
schools that has never been found guilty of major violations by the NCAA.  
("Major" violations are primarily ones that give a school a significant  
competitive or recruiting advantage.) Boston College, Northwestern and Stanford  are 
the others.

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 12:37:54 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:37:54 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Joe must go
Message-ID: <1018738352-1320604675-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1292442101-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Nice to see we are one of the few schools never having a major violation though funny that both us and BC had players found guilty of point shaving.  

I did not read grand jury report but have read several of the articles relating to the PSU allegations, including NYT and WSJ and will say that while it doesn't look good for Joe,  I will reserve judgment on his "guilt" until I hear a lot more. Others on the list can do as they please,but for me, Joe has earned the benefit of the doubt until shown(proven ?) otherwise and I remain open to seeing the otherwise

Harry
------Original Message------
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Joe must go
Sent: Nov 6, 2011 10:22 AM

WSJ story states that Penn State is one of just four major-conference  
schools that has never been found guilty of major violations by the NCAA.  
("Major" violations are primarily ones that give a school a significant  
competitive or recruiting advantage.) Boston College, Northwestern and Stanford  are 
the others.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Nov  6 13:04:34 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:04:34 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say that you're still kidding 
yourself about the talent level of Northwestern football.

Fact:  It has improved since the forgetable days of yester-year and to the 
point that, on any given day, we can win any game.

Fact:  "Any given day" will not occur twelve times a year.  We played our 
best game yesterday, but one game does not greatness make.

Fact: We have gone undefeated in the Big Ten only once in our history 
(1995), haven't ended the season with one loss since 1996, and we haven't 
won a bowl game for 63 years.  During the 21st  century we have not won a 
Big Ten championship and have an overall losing record in the conference as 
well as during Fitz's tenure.

Fact: You argue both that NU football talent is on a par with the better 
conference teams AND the coaching staff is as good as any others, something 
you cannot logically do because it doesn't account for our losing record. 
Either the talent is lacking, the coaching stinks, or both.

Once you obtain a middling level of success, it is unacceptable to be 
content merely with being better than you were when you were utterly 
pathetic.  You can only climb to the championship level by getting players 
who are bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic than the ones you have 
currently.  Yes, it is marvelous to see an Ebert or a Fitzgerald come from 
nowhere and play at an elevated level.  Those are the guys you really root 
for.  No, the highly ranked players do not always work out, but they will 
succeed more often that low-ranked players will rise to greatness.

You be content with 7 - 5 if you wish.  I will not be happy with the 
Northwestern football program until it is a strong candidate to win the Big 
Ten and kick Ohio State's ass year in and year out.  I darn well guarantee 
you that Fitz believes the same. 


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov  6 13:30:52 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:30:52 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz's biggest win
In-Reply-To: <8CE6AC031D7AF53-AE8-17454B@Webmail-m112.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1320591900.69277.YahooMailNeo@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <fd03fd29-b76d-4819-a49f-c84640c165b8@blur>

The reason to go bowling are the extra practices.  AlumnI court too, bit  
that extra time is key for the younger guys.



Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
To: jleonard518 at yahoo.com,  nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 6, 2011 17:25:21 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz's biggest win


Jim,

Having finally met you at the BC game (another happy time this up-and-down  
season), I agree with everything you said--almost.  I see no reason--unless  
Persa is out for the season--why we can't finish 7-5.  Granted, it will be  
tough to run the table at home, given that (a) Minny is playing better and  
(b) Sparty will be awfully tough, but our team is finally playing as a team  
for 60 minutes.  When they do that, they are competitive and can "expect  
victory".  

I looked at Purdue's remaining schedule, since they are clearly our chief  
rivals for the coveted invite to the "Little Caesar's Pizza Bowl" (wouldn't  
it be cooler to have the "Herman Cain Godfather's Pizza Bowl" instead?),  
which, apparently is the only bowl we can probably make.  The Boilers play  
at home the next two weeks against tOSU and Iowa.  Hopefully, they lose both  
of those, and then they finish at Bloomington, where the Hoosiers would love  
nothing better than to knock them out entirely.  They are 4-5, like the  
'Cats, so whoever plays better down the stretch will get the bowl bid.

I know that Detroit ain't a great achievement, but it sure beats going  
nowhere.  We have to start by crisping Rice, follow with a win over the  
Gophers, and then, with all of that momentum (i.e., 4-game winning streak),  
take it to the Spartans and get some nice revenge for our recent tank jobs  
against them.  It won't be easy, but its doable, and I think our guys are  
now hungry, committed and ready to take on the challenge.  And Coach Hank  
and Fitz have finallly settled upon a lineup and scheme that affords our  
defensive unit the ability to keep us in games, which is all we need with  
our high-octane offense.  Yesterday was the first time in a long time when I  
didn't audibly groan every time the defense took the field.  We also need  
Budzien to kick some clutch FG's in the next few weeks, since, as the  
weather turns colder and affects the scoring more, we will need those  
3-pointers to come out on top, especially against Sparty, which has a great  
kicker.

So let's go 'Cats.  As Fitz says, make it a "November to remember".  And  
Dennis Brandt, try to look at the glass here as half-full  When Colter hit  
Ebert on that 81-yard TD, those were two athletes who can compete at any  
level, and what's great is that they are our guys and know their way around  
a classroom and the Library, too.  To these somewhat unsophisticated eyes,  
Fitz is clearly recruiting faster, stronger, fitter players than we ever saw  
wear the Purple and White--think Venric Mark, too.  What's more we actually  
pounded Nebraska in the trenches--when in this lifetime did any of us ever  
think we would see that?

Paul Levinson



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 6, 2011 10:05 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz's biggest win


Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
Yesterday was a HUGE day for our young coach. I am really proud of Fitz. It 
ould have been easy for the team to mail it in and take the expected  
pounding 
n Lincoln yesterday. Fitz managed to keep everyone focused (including his 
taff). This win is a much bigger than beating Iowa in 2009. Nebraska's home 
ield advantage is legendary and our team had yet to play a full 60 minutes  
of 
ootball. 
I am now optimistic that we can hit 6-6. Whether or not that means a bowl,  
it 
ould be a huge finish after the 5-game losing streak. 
Fitz needs to keep everyone focused this week to avoid a letdown. Cats eat  
Rice!
Victory & Honor,
im
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov  6 13:37:36 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:37:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz's biggest win
In-Reply-To: <fd03fd29-b76d-4819-a49f-c84640c165b8@blur>
Message-ID: <20111106193736.A5AA8648A4@romaine.tssi.com>

> The reason to go bowling are the extra practices.  AlumnI court too, bit  
> that extra time is key for the younger guys.

Don't rule out the recruiting impact of bowl games, either.
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 13:59:56 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:59:56 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz's biggest win
Message-ID: <950949821-1320609431-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1178021042-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Especially if we can finally WIN one--any one!
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com
Cc: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: jleonard518 at yahoo.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz's biggest win
Sent: Nov 6, 2011 2:37 PM

> The reason to go bowling are the extra practices.  AlumnI court too, bit  
> that extra time is key for the younger guys.

Don't rule out the recruiting impact of bowl games, either.
--
Mike Nolan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov  6 14:05:26 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:05:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Lincoln newspaper front page
Message-ID: <20111106200526.B654B648A4@romaine.tssi.com>

On the front page of the Lincoln Journal Star today above the masthead
is a picture of a Northwestern player (not sure which one) diving 
over a Nebraska player.  

In large purple type it says:              NU  28
Below that, in smaller red type it says:   NU  25

The sports section front page has a half page shot of Coulter stepping
past Nebraska safety Stafford, with several Nebraska players and coaching 
staff visible in the backround, and the caption "CATNAPPING".  

I may have to frame these.
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 14:09:00 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:09:00 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <176AA46A6C5A40B69E7F668E5260B747@dennismachine>
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Just a small point is that I believe we were undefeated in conference many years ago when we went 1-0-2.  Can't recall the year. 

Harry 
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:04:34 
To: Beamsley, Jeff<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Tom Maycock<tkmaycock at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say that you're still kidding 
yourself about the talent level of Northwestern football.

Fact:  It has improved since the forgetable days of yester-year and to the 
point that, on any given day, we can win any game.

Fact:  "Any given day" will not occur twelve times a year.  We played our 
best game yesterday, but one game does not greatness make.

Fact: We have gone undefeated in the Big Ten only once in our history 
(1995), haven't ended the season with one loss since 1996, and we haven't 
won a bowl game for 63 years.  During the 21st  century we have not won a 
Big Ten championship and have an overall losing record in the conference as 
well as during Fitz's tenure.

Fact: You argue both that NU football talent is on a par with the better 
conference teams AND the coaching staff is as good as any others, something 
you cannot logically do because it doesn't account for our losing record. 
Either the talent is lacking, the coaching stinks, or both.

Once you obtain a middling level of success, it is unacceptable to be 
content merely with being better than you were when you were utterly 
pathetic.  You can only climb to the championship level by getting players 
who are bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic than the ones you have 
currently.  Yes, it is marvelous to see an Ebert or a Fitzgerald come from 
nowhere and play at an elevated level.  Those are the guys you really root 
for.  No, the highly ranked players do not always work out, but they will 
succeed more often that low-ranked players will rise to greatness.

You be content with 7 - 5 if you wish.  I will not be happy with the 
Northwestern football program until it is a strong candidate to win the Big 
Ten and kick Ohio State's ass year in and year out.  I darn well guarantee 
you that Fitz believes the same. 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 14:12:39 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:12:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Lincoln newspaper front page
In-Reply-To: <20111106200526.B654B648A4@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111106200526.B654B648A4@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1320610359.99327.YahooMailNeo@web121712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Classic - thanks for sharing!

For anyone who wants a web link to the pdf (screensaver material? :) ), it's?http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?fpVname=NE_LJS&ref_pge=gal&b_pge=6

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Lincoln newspaper front page

On the front page of the Lincoln Journal Star today above the masthead
is a picture of a Northwestern player (not sure which one) diving 
over a Nebraska player.? 

In large purple type it says:? ? ? ? ? ? ? NU? 28
Below that, in smaller red type it says:?  NU? 25

The sports section front page has a half page shot of Coulter stepping
past Nebraska safety Stafford, with several Nebraska players and coaching 
staff visible in the backround, and the caption "CATNAPPING".? 

I may have to frame these.
--
Mike Nolan

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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Sun Nov  6 14:45:57 2011
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:45:57 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Lincoln newspaper front page
In-Reply-To: <20111106200526.B654B648A4@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111106200526.B654B648A4@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <4EB6F205.1090104@mindspring.com>

There sure a lot of people spelling Colter's name wrong.  It must be 
contagious.


On 11/06/2011 12:05 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:
> On the front page of the Lincoln Journal Star today above the masthead
> is a picture of a Northwestern player (not sure which one) diving
> over a Nebraska player.
>
> In large purple type it says:              NU  28
> Below that, in smaller red type it says:   NU  25
>
> The sports section front page has a half page shot of Coulter stepping
> past Nebraska safety Stafford, with several Nebraska players and coaching
> staff visible in the backround, and the caption "CATNAPPING".
>
> I may have to frame these.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov  6 14:54:17 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:54:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Lincoln newspaper front page
In-Reply-To: <4EB6F205.1090104@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20111106205417.55F5B64DCF@romaine.tssi.com>

> There sure a lot of people spelling Colter's name wrong.  It must be 
> contagious.

It's that darned typo virus!

(BTW, there really was a typo virus, it was created by one of the antivirus
researchers as a gag some years ago.  As I recall, every 25th keystroke it
put in the key just to the left or right of the one actually entered.)
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 14:54:27 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 12:54:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] So,
	the top four stories in the Trib's online sports section today ...
Message-ID: <1320612867.64607.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

- ND's win over Wake Forest ... zzzzzzzzzzzz
- The snoozer game of the century with Bama and LSU that will obviously be replayed in the MNC game
- The PSU scandal
- Mizzou moving to the SEC (old news)

No mention of NU's win over a top 10 team on the road.

Thanks for nothing, hometown paper.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov  6 15:03:12 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:03:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] So,
In-Reply-To: <1320612867.64607.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111106210312.40CAE648A4@romaine.tssi.com>

> Thanks for nothing, hometown paper.

If you're referring to the Trib, it got pushed down the stack of 'recent'
news, it was still on the 'front page' yesterday evening.

The Fox station in Omaha promotes their 9PM newscast with this line:

At 9PM it's news, at 10PM it's history.
--
Mike Nolan

PS.  I thought the Sun Times had a better story on the game.


From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  6 15:06:55 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:06:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Joe must go
In-Reply-To: <547607251-1320594963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-748392862-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
References: <547607251-1320594963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-748392862-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
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I've only read a bit on this very ugly topic so far, but the "Chicago Tribune" 
reports that "the grad student [who witnessed an assault by Sandusky]..reported 
what he saw to Paterno, who immediately told [AD] Curley, prosecutors said".

I don't interpret that as "doing nothing".

Penn State President (and NU grad) Graham Spanier has gone out on a limb with 
unconditional support of Curley and Schultz.






________________________________
From: "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com" <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: hakirsch at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 9:56:02 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Joe must go

I would normally agree and of course no one has been found guilty but these 
accusations and the pattern of the coverup are much, much more credible and come 
from multiple sources. 


Read the grand jury report. It is devastating. 

As for Joe, he may not be guilty of perjury or obstruction but innocent he was 
not, either. 


Brad Wilson
------Original Message------
From: hakirsch at aol.com
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: hakirsch at aol.com
Subject: Re: Joe must go
Sent: Nov 6, 2011 10:52

I think we have to be careful in the rush to judgement.? Accusations are easy to 
hurl. It may come out that Joe was complicit, but we don't know that yet.? 
Remember Duke Lacrosse. Remember Atlanta Olympic bombing

Harry
------Original Message------
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
To: Harry
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Subject: Joe must go
Sent: Nov 6, 2011 7:25 AM

Read the details on the PSU mess and you discover Joe knew all about it and did 
nothing. 


He can't survive this hideous scandal and he shouldn't. Neither should PSU 
president Spanier. Everybody must go. 


It is a shame, but Joe and his cronies protected a buddy they knew was sick and 
needed help and helped him avoid the law. 


This makes your average recruiting scandal look like absolutely nothing. 

Joe must go. 

Brad Wilson
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  6 15:26:52 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:26:52 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Joe must go
In-Reply-To: <1320613615.81756.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <547607251-1320594963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-748392862-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
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And when it was clear nothing happened to Sandusky ... Then what? No follow up with law enforcement, which would have been logical had I had a sexual assault reported to me. 

And Curley's response was tell Sandusky he couldn't bring kids on campus?? In other words go right ahead molesting boys Jerry -- just do not do it here. 

And they all he knew Sandusky ran a charity where young boys were heavily involved -- and they just let it go on as normal?? Maybe it would have been a good idea to put a stop to that? 

It may help  those unfamiliar with Penn State to note that the AD in any football-related manner (and many others) is subservient to Joe. 

Joe and Curley and the PSU cops knew all about this and took no serious action to stop it. It is disgusting behavior. 

And now watch the dominoes fall -- more will come out and I bet it all edges closer to Joe. 

Believe me I am not a Joe hater. Grew up in a PSU household and admired the man for years. But this is far beyond football. This is about helpless kids being assaulted by a man hiding behind "helping" them and people who could have stopped the crimes not doing so.  

Brad Wilson

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-----Original Message-----
From: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:06:55 
To: <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Joe must go

I've only read a bit on this very ugly topic so far, but the "Chicago Tribune" 
reports that "the grad student [who witnessed an assault by Sandusky]..reported 
what he saw to Paterno, who immediately told [AD] Curley, prosecutors said".

I don't interpret that as "doing nothing".

Penn State President (and NU grad) Graham Spanier has gone out on a limb with 
unconditional support of Curley and Schultz.






________________________________
From: "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com" <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: hakirsch at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 9:56:02 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Joe must go

I would normally agree and of course no one has been found guilty but these 
accusations and the pattern of the coverup are much, much more credible and come 
from multiple sources. 


Read the grand jury report. It is devastating. 

As for Joe, he may not be guilty of perjury or obstruction but innocent he was 
not, either. 


Brad Wilson
------Original Message------
From: hakirsch at aol.com
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: hakirsch at aol.com
Subject: Re: Joe must go
Sent: Nov 6, 2011 10:52

I think we have to be careful in the rush to judgement.? Accusations are easy to 
hurl. It may come out that Joe was complicit, but we don't know that yet.? 
Remember Duke Lacrosse. Remember Atlanta Olympic bombing

Harry
------Original Message------
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
To: Harry
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Subject: Joe must go
Sent: Nov 6, 2011 7:25 AM

Read the details on the PSU mess and you discover Joe knew all about it and did 
nothing. 


He can't survive this hideous scandal and he shouldn't. Neither should PSU 
president Spanier. Everybody must go. 


It is a shame, but Joe and his cronies protected a buddy they knew was sick and 
needed help and helped him avoid the law. 


This makes your average recruiting scandal look like absolutely nothing. 

Joe must go. 

Brad Wilson
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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 15:30:57 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:30:57 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Womens Soccer
In-Reply-To: <1320613615.81756.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <547607251-1320594963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-748392862-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
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If you want to see live shots of Lakefill (Field), turn on BTN right now for Penn St.-Ill. Game in Big Ten Tourney.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:06:55 
To: <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Joe must go

I've only read a bit on this very ugly topic so far, but the "Chicago Tribune" 
reports that "the grad student [who witnessed an assault by Sandusky]..reported 
what he saw to Paterno, who immediately told [AD] Curley, prosecutors said".

I don't interpret that as "doing nothing".

Penn State President (and NU grad) Graham Spanier has gone out on a limb with 
unconditional support of Curley and Schultz.






________________________________
From: "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com" <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: hakirsch at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 9:56:02 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Joe must go

I would normally agree and of course no one has been found guilty but these 
accusations and the pattern of the coverup are much, much more credible and come 
from multiple sources. 


Read the grand jury report. It is devastating. 

As for Joe, he may not be guilty of perjury or obstruction but innocent he was 
not, either. 


Brad Wilson
------Original Message------
From: hakirsch at aol.com
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: hakirsch at aol.com
Subject: Re: Joe must go
Sent: Nov 6, 2011 10:52

I think we have to be careful in the rush to judgement.? Accusations are easy to 
hurl. It may come out that Joe was complicit, but we don't know that yet.? 
Remember Duke Lacrosse. Remember Atlanta Olympic bombing

Harry
------Original Message------
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
To: Harry
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Subject: Joe must go
Sent: Nov 6, 2011 7:25 AM

Read the details on the PSU mess and you discover Joe knew all about it and did 
nothing. 


He can't survive this hideous scandal and he shouldn't. Neither should PSU 
president Spanier. Everybody must go. 


It is a shame, but Joe and his cronies protected a buddy they knew was sick and 
needed help and helped him avoid the law. 


This makes your average recruiting scandal look like absolutely nothing. 

Joe must go. 

Brad Wilson
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov  6 15:46:15 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:46:15 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz's biggest win
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That is the third reason to go bowling....

But the better the bowl, the better the recruiting from it, IMHO.

rsl

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from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Nolan [mailto:nolan at tssi.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 2:38 PM
To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com
Cc: neonrye at aol.com; jleonard518 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz's biggest win

> The reason to go bowling are the extra practices.  AlumnI court too, bit  
> that extra time is key for the younger guys.

Don't rule out the recruiting impact of bowl games, either.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov  6 16:04:54 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:04:54 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Lincoln newspaper front page
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That way they can eventually say that NU won, And they'd be "right."

They should be UNL but they'll never guy that in the Cornhustler state.

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT
(Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 3:13 PM
To: Mike Nolan; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Lincoln newspaper front page

Classic - thanks for sharing!

For anyone who wants a web link to the pdf (screensaver material? :) ),
it's?http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?fpVname=NE_LJS&ref_pge=gal&b_pge=6

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:05 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Lincoln newspaper front page

On the front page of the Lincoln Journal Star today above the masthead
is a picture of a Northwestern player (not sure which one) diving 
over a Nebraska player.? 

In large purple type it says:? ? ? ? ? ? ? NU? 28
Below that, in smaller red type it says:?  NU? 25

The sports section front page has a half page shot of Coulter stepping
past Nebraska safety Stafford, with several Nebraska players and coaching 
staff visible in the backround, and the caption "CATNAPPING".? 

I may have to frame these.
--
Mike Nolan

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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov  6 16:18:34 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:18:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Lincoln newspaper front page
In-Reply-To: <002201cc9cd0$1e2a6fd0$5a7f4f70$@com>
Message-ID: <20111106221834.D613461118@romaine.tssi.com>

> That way they can eventually say that NU won, And they'd be "right."
> 
> They should be UNL but they'll never guy that in the Cornhustler state.

Actually, the Lincoln campus is frequently referred to as UNL, to distinguish
it from the three other campuses in the University of Nebraska system:

UNK - University of Nebraska at Kearney
UNO - University of Nebraska at Omaha
UNMC - University of Nebraska Medical Center

There's a lot of state politics involved, dating back to when the
University of Nebraska assumed administrative control of the University
of Omaha in the 60's, referred to by many Omahans at the time as 
'West Dodge High'.  Now UNL and UNO are constantly at odds with each
other for funding and program control.  (Kearney was made part of
the University of Nebraska system in the 80's, as I recall, before
that it was Kearney State College.)  

Had UNMC not been a separate administrative unit, I believe UNL would
have still met the requirements to remain a member of AAU.  (Also,
AAU does not count 'ag' research for eligibility purposes, and UNL, as 
a Land Grant Institution, has a very large and well-respected agricultural 
research program.)
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 18:49:10 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:49:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Fantasy Football Weekend
Message-ID: <8CE6AFE31E8693D-1774-7B5E4@angweb-usd005.sysops.aol.com>


Dear List Friends:

I have gone to the mountaintop of football fandom for one glorious two-day stretch.  Heading into this weekend, I cared passionately about three games, and in each game my team was a road underdog.  The 'Cats, of course, are the biggest, and best story, shucking the Huskers.  With that tasty delight behind me, my 2 pro teams--the JETS (my real team) and the GIANTS (my second team, but playing the hated Patriots, a Jets rival to boot) were looking at daunting challenges on the road in Buffalo and Foxborough.  So what happens?  The Jets crush the Bills, and now I am wondering what is going on in the Universe, since the Jets and 'Cats rarely make me happy the same weekend.  And then, the coup de grace, as Eli F'ing Manning takes the Giants back against Coach Hoodie and QB Pretty Boy, and the Giants once again overtake the Pats, just like in the Super Bowl.  

And for a little icing on the cake, I was rooting for LSU over 'Bama last night, although without any true commitment, like in the other 3 games.   Yes, a wonderful weekend of Pigskin fun.  I will treasure this always.  Thank you, Wildcats, Jets and Jints for giving Yours Truly a simply wonderful birthday present three days early (On Nov. 9th I will be one year short of 6 decades.).  

Go 'Cats!

Paul Levinson




From jintsjason at me.com  Sun Nov  6 18:53:01 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:53:01 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Fantasy Football Weekend
In-Reply-To: <8CE6AFE31E8693D-1774-7B5E4@angweb-usd005.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE6AFE31E8693D-1774-7B5E4@angweb-usd005.sysops.aol.com>
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Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you an elite Quarterback?ELI MANNING!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!

Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 6, 2011, at 4:49 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> 
> Dear List Friends:
> 
> I have gone to the mountaintop of football fandom for one glorious two-day stretch.  Heading into this weekend, I cared passionately about three games, and in each game my team was a road underdog.  The 'Cats, of course, are the biggest, and best story, shucking the Huskers.  With that tasty delight behind me, my 2 pro teams--the JETS (my real team) and the GIANTS (my second team, but playing the hated Patriots, a Jets rival to boot) were looking at daunting challenges on the road in Buffalo and Foxborough.  So what happens?  The Jets crush the Bills, and now I am wondering what is going on in the Universe, since the Jets and 'Cats rarely make me happy the same weekend.  And then, the coup de grace, as Eli F'ing Manning takes the Giants back against Coach Hoodie and QB Pretty Boy, and the Giants once again overtake the Pats, just like in the Super Bowl.  
> 
> And for a little icing on the cake, I was rooting for LSU over 'Bama last night, although without any true commitment, like in the other 3 games.   Yes, a wonderful weekend of Pigskin fun.  I will treasure this always.  Thank you, Wildcats, Jets and Jints for giving Yours Truly a simply wonderful birthday present three days early (On Nov. 9th I will be one year short of 6 decades.).  
> 
> Go 'Cats!
> 
> Paul Levinson
> 
> 
> 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Nov  6 21:07:18 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:07:18 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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Dennis,
 
I'm certain that BT Championships are one of the goals every NU team has every year.  
 
I'm certain that Coach Fitz and his staff do their best every year to assemble and coach a team capable of accomplishing that goal.
 
I have never heard Coach Fitz suggest that admission standards or talent level are preventing his teams from accomplishing that goal.  What he has said is that he uses NU's admission standards and high graduation rate as a recruiting advantage.  Kain Colter, for example, was a three star recruit who received interest from Nebraska and an offer from Stanford, but chose to come to NU.
 
Here's a link to a Stanford Daily covering much of this same ground.  The Stanford team that won the Pac-10 last year and is ranked in the top 10 this year, was rated as the worst recruiting class in the Pac-10 in 2008.  
 
http://www.stanforddaily.com/2011/07/21/blanchat-football-success-defies-recruiting-class-rankings/
 
You, on the other hand, associate recruiting class talent level as the primary reason for either success or failure.  If the team fails, it's because it is unable to recruit competitive talent.  If the team succeeds it is a fluke because clearly they don't have competitive talent.  
 
The reality is that in college football, there are many ways to win.  Stanford and Northwestern do it with smart kids who go to class, stay out of trouble, and graduate with real degrees.  Alabama, LSU, OSU and many others do it with talented athletes who don't always to go class, do sometimes get in trouble, and don't often graduate.  
 
Clearly the NU way is more difficult, or else everyone would be doing it.  I believe that Fitz will continue to grow the program to the point that it is getting the best smart football kids in the country every year.  That said, it is clearly much easier to follow the OSU model if you want to consistently compete at the highest levels of the sport.  That includes periodic NCAA sanctions for running a dirty program because that's the only way you are going to be able to get some of these top recruits.  
 
So at the end of the day, you're right.  I would prefer to graduate all our kids with real degrees.  I would prefer to recruit kids who have demonstrated that they can compete in the classroom as well as the football field.  If that means we don't get as many four star kids as OSU, so be it.  That only means that our coaches and kids have to work harder to win games as a team.  We may not win as many conference championships as OSU, but our wins (like yesterday) will be sweeter.  Come graduation time, however, we will be conference champs every year.
 
Jeff
________________________________

From: Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng at comcast.net]
Sent: Sun 11/6/2011 2:04 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Tom Maycock; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers



Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say that you're still kidding
yourself about the talent level of Northwestern football.

Fact:  It has improved since the forgetable days of yester-year and to the
point that, on any given day, we can win any game.

Fact:  "Any given day" will not occur twelve times a year.  We played our
best game yesterday, but one game does not greatness make.

Fact: We have gone undefeated in the Big Ten only once in our history
(1995), haven't ended the season with one loss since 1996, and we haven't
won a bowl game for 63 years.  During the 21st  century we have not won a
Big Ten championship and have an overall losing record in the conference as
well as during Fitz's tenure.

Fact: You argue both that NU football talent is on a par with the better
conference teams AND the coaching staff is as good as any others, something
you cannot logically do because it doesn't account for our losing record.
Either the talent is lacking, the coaching stinks, or both.

Once you obtain a middling level of success, it is unacceptable to be
content merely with being better than you were when you were utterly
pathetic.  You can only climb to the championship level by getting players
who are bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic than the ones you have
currently.  Yes, it is marvelous to see an Ebert or a Fitzgerald come from
nowhere and play at an elevated level.  Those are the guys you really root
for.  No, the highly ranked players do not always work out, but they will
succeed more often that low-ranked players will rise to greatness.

You be content with 7 - 5 if you wish.  I will not be happy with the
Northwestern football program until it is a strong candidate to win the Big
Ten and kick Ohio State's ass year in and year out.  I darn well guarantee
you that Fitz believes the same.




From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov  6 21:23:43 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 03:23:43 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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I'm sure Fitz tries to market us well saying to those who have strong academics that it is an advantage going to a top rated academic school because if you don't make the pros you have something to fall back on. But let's not kid ourselves, on balance the academic standards hurt our chances. Besides eliminating a bunch of kids who don't qualify, some kids may also be scared that they won't be able to cut it academically at NU and choose elsewhere.  If you don't believe that our academic standards on balance don't hurt , look at the other schools that rate highly in academics(and require the same of their recruits)  and see their percentage of successful teams. Clearly a lot less. (Duke,Vandy,ND,Rice,WFU,Stanford,BYU ?,)

 Why else is Stanford the talk of the town ?  Because its a rare case that a school does exceptionally well at both football and academics. Of course it happens but its more the exception than the rule. 

Having said this I'm glad we strive for both even if it means we win less BT titles. Its a better goal to strive for 

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:07:18 
To: Dennis W. Brandt<tbng at comcast.net>; Tom Maycock<tkmaycock at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Dennis,
 
I'm certain that BT Championships are one of the goals every NU team has every year.  
 
I'm certain that Coach Fitz and his staff do their best every year to assemble and coach a team capable of accomplishing that goal.
 
I have never heard Coach Fitz suggest that admission standards or talent level are preventing his teams from accomplishing that goal.  What he has said is that he uses NU's admission standards and high graduation rate as a recruiting advantage.  Kain Colter, for example, was a three star recruit who received interest from Nebraska and an offer from Stanford, but chose to come to NU.
 
Here's a link to a Stanford Daily covering much of this same ground.  The Stanford team that won the Pac-10 last year and is ranked in the top 10 this year, was rated as the worst recruiting class in the Pac-10 in 2008.  
 
http://www.stanforddaily.com/2011/07/21/blanchat-football-success-defies-recruiting-class-rankings/
 
You, on the other hand, associate recruiting class talent level as the primary reason for either success or failure.  If the team fails, it's because it is unable to recruit competitive talent.  If the team succeeds it is a fluke because clearly they don't have competitive talent.  
 
The reality is that in college football, there are many ways to win.  Stanford and Northwestern do it with smart kids who go to class, stay out of trouble, and graduate with real degrees.  Alabama, LSU, OSU and many others do it with talented athletes who don't always to go class, do sometimes get in trouble, and don't often graduate.  
 
Clearly the NU way is more difficult, or else everyone would be doing it.  I believe that Fitz will continue to grow the program to the point that it is getting the best smart football kids in the country every year.  That said, it is clearly much easier to follow the OSU model if you want to consistently compete at the highest levels of the sport.  That includes periodic NCAA sanctions for running a dirty program because that's the only way you are going to be able to get some of these top recruits.  
 
So at the end of the day, you're right.  I would prefer to graduate all our kids with real degrees.  I would prefer to recruit kids who have demonstrated that they can compete in the classroom as well as the football field.  If that means we don't get as many four star kids as OSU, so be it.  That only means that our coaches and kids have to work harder to win games as a team.  We may not win as many conference championships as OSU, but our wins (like yesterday) will be sweeter.  Come graduation time, however, we will be conference champs every year.
 
Jeff
________________________________

From: Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng at comcast.net]
Sent: Sun 11/6/2011 2:04 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Tom Maycock; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers



Thanks for giving me the opportunity to say that you're still kidding
yourself about the talent level of Northwestern football.

Fact:  It has improved since the forgetable days of yester-year and to the
point that, on any given day, we can win any game.

Fact:  "Any given day" will not occur twelve times a year.  We played our
best game yesterday, but one game does not greatness make.

Fact: We have gone undefeated in the Big Ten only once in our history
(1995), haven't ended the season with one loss since 1996, and we haven't
won a bowl game for 63 years.  During the 21st  century we have not won a
Big Ten championship and have an overall losing record in the conference as
well as during Fitz's tenure.

Fact: You argue both that NU football talent is on a par with the better
conference teams AND the coaching staff is as good as any others, something
you cannot logically do because it doesn't account for our losing record.
Either the talent is lacking, the coaching stinks, or both.

Once you obtain a middling level of success, it is unacceptable to be
content merely with being better than you were when you were utterly
pathetic.  You can only climb to the championship level by getting players
who are bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletic than the ones you have
currently.  Yes, it is marvelous to see an Ebert or a Fitzgerald come from
nowhere and play at an elevated level.  Those are the guys you really root
for.  No, the highly ranked players do not always work out, but they will
succeed more often that low-ranked players will rise to greatness.

You be content with 7 - 5 if you wish.  I will not be happy with the
Northwestern football program until it is a strong candidate to win the Big
Ten and kick Ohio State's ass year in and year out.  I darn well guarantee
you that Fitz believes the same.



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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov  6 21:40:46 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:40:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <1538964468-1320636225-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-637542805-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20111107034046.EA43F64DE9@romaine.tssi.com>

>  Why else is Stanford the talk of the town ?  Because its a rare case that a school does exceptionally well at both football and academics. Of course it happens but its more the exception than the rule. 

And Stanford has not been a consistent powerhouse school.

In the 17 seasons since 1995, Stanford has had seven winning seasons.

In that same time period, Northwestern has also had seven winning seasons,
plus one 6-6 season and one 6-6 record in the regular season but
with a bowl loss, and 2011 is still undecided.
--
Mike Nolan



From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov  6 21:57:32 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:57:32 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <20111107034046.EA43F64DE9@romaine.tssi.com>
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But they have that California beach location, and that Tree.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
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------------------------------------------------
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from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:41 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

>  Why else is Stanford the talk of the town ?  Because its a rare case that a school does
exceptionally well at both football and academics. Of course it happens but its more the
exception than the rule. 

And Stanford has not been a consistent powerhouse school.

In the 17 seasons since 1995, Stanford has had seven winning seasons.

In that same time period, Northwestern has also had seven winning seasons,
plus one 6-6 season and one 6-6 record in the regular season but
with a bowl loss, and 2011 is still undecided.
--
Mike Nolan


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov  6 22:13:39 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:13:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <001901cc9d01$61526660$23f73320$@com>
References: <1538964468-1320636225-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-637542805-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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 <001901cc9d01$61526660$23f73320$@com>
Message-ID: <002201cc9d03$a1c385b0$e54a9110$@com>

And Stanford does have a great rep for finding people jobs after graduation, altho I doubt
their rep is holding up given the job issues on the west coast.

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S.
Lamberton
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:58 PM
To: 'Mike Nolan'; hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: 'Dennis W. Brandt'; nwu-sports at tssi.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

But they have that California beach location, and that Tree.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:41 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

>  Why else is Stanford the talk of the town ?  Because its a rare case that a school does
exceptionally well at both football and academics. Of course it happens but its more the
exception than the rule. 

And Stanford has not been a consistent powerhouse school.

In the 17 seasons since 1995, Stanford has had seven winning seasons.

In that same time period, Northwestern has also had seven winning seasons,
plus one 6-6 season and one 6-6 record in the regular season but
with a bowl loss, and 2011 is still undecided.
--
Mike Nolan


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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov  6 22:23:41 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:23:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <001901cc9d01$61526660$23f73320$@com>
Message-ID: <20111107042341.E60D1649F2@romaine.tssi.com>

> But they have that California beach location, and that Tree.

As I recall, there's a beach a whole lot closer to the Northwestern campus
than to the Stanford campus.
--
Mike Nolan


From scottzel at gmail.com  Sun Nov  6 23:00:55 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:00:55 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <20111107042341.E60D1649F2@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <001901cc9d01$61526660$23f73320$@com>
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Yup, the closest beach to Stanford is a 40-minute drive away (if traffic is
good!). And it is almost always c-c-c-cold and foggy there.

On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > But they have that California beach location, and that Tree.
>
> As I recall, there's a beach a whole lot closer to the Northwestern campus
> than to the Stanford campus.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Mon Nov  7 04:44:35 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 05:44:35 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Joe must go
In-Reply-To: <832746650-1320614813-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-724737025-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
References: <547607251-1320594963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-748392862-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
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Latest: both AD Curley & VP Schultz have resigned (the 2 that were charged
with perjury) -
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/07/curly-schultz-step-down-at-penn-state/

As others have said, this situation is far worse than any NCAA violations
as there are real victims involved here.  It sounds like the PSU board of
trustees is at least somewhat concerned about this even though Pres.
Spanier initially jumped to a defensive stance.

I don't wish this situation on any university, particularly one in our own
conference.  Hopefully punishment is doled out as needed and things done to
prevent anything like this from happening again.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
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Twitter: @hailtopurple
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On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:26 PM, <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> And when it was clear nothing happened to Sandusky ... Then what? No
> follow up with law enforcement, which would have been logical had I had a
> sexual assault reported to me.
>
> And Curley's response was tell Sandusky he couldn't bring kids on campus??
> In other words go right ahead molesting boys Jerry -- just do not do it
> here.
>
> And they all he knew Sandusky ran a charity where young boys were heavily
> involved -- and they just let it go on as normal?? Maybe it would have been
> a good idea to put a stop to that?
>
> It may help  those unfamiliar with Penn State to note that the AD in any
> football-related manner (and many others) is subservient to Joe.
>
> Joe and Curley and the PSU cops knew all about this and took no serious
> action to stop it. It is disgusting behavior.
>
> And now watch the dominoes fall -- more will come out and I bet it all
> edges closer to Joe.
>
> Believe me I am not a Joe hater. Grew up in a PSU household and admired
> the man for years. But this is far beyond football. This is about helpless
> kids being assaulted by a man hiding behind "helping" them and people who
> could have stopped the crimes not doing so.
>
> Brad Wilson
>
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:06:55
> To: <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Joe must go
>
> I've only read a bit on this very ugly topic so far, but the "Chicago
> Tribune"
> reports that "the grad student [who witnessed an assault by
> Sandusky]..reported
> what he saw to Paterno, who immediately told [AD] Curley, prosecutors
> said".
>
> I don't interpret that as "doing nothing".
>
> Penn State President (and NU grad) Graham Spanier has gone out on a limb
> with
> unconditional support of Curley and Schultz.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com" <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
> To: hakirsch at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 9:56:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Joe must go
>
> I would normally agree and of course no one has been found guilty but these
> accusations and the pattern of the coverup are much, much more credible
> and come
> from multiple sources.
>
>
> Read the grand jury report. It is devastating.
>
> As for Joe, he may not be guilty of perjury or obstruction but innocent he
> was
> not, either.
>
>
> Brad Wilson
> ------Original Message------
> From: hakirsch at aol.com
> To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> ReplyTo: hakirsch at aol.com
> Subject: Re: Joe must go
> Sent: Nov 6, 2011 10:52
>
> I think we have to be careful in the rush to judgement.  Accusations are
> easy to
> hurl. It may come out that Joe was complicit, but we don't know that yet.
> Remember Duke Lacrosse. Remember Atlanta Olympic bombing
>
> Harry
> ------Original Message------
> From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
> To: Harry
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> ReplyTo: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Joe must go
> Sent: Nov 6, 2011 7:25 AM
>
> Read the details on the PSU mess and you discover Joe knew all about it
> and did
> nothing.
>
>
> He can't survive this hideous scandal and he shouldn't. Neither should PSU
> president Spanier. Everybody must go.
>
>
> It is a shame, but Joe and his cronies protected a buddy they knew was
> sick and
> needed help and helped him avoid the law.
>
>
> This makes your average recruiting scandal look like absolutely nothing.
>
> Joe must go.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov  7 07:24:59 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:24:59 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <20111107042341.E60D1649F2@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <001901cc9d01$61526660$23f73320$@com>
 <20111107042341.E60D1649F2@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EC6D@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Pelini quotes:

http://www.huskers.com/pdf8/796072.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=100

"We got beat. It's that plain and simple. They outplayed us, they out
coached us. What are you going to say?"

"Like I said, sometimes in this life it comes down to want-to. I'm not
saying our guys didn't want to, but maybe they wanted it a little more
than we did."

That's how team belief and desire overcome superior individual talent.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:24 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Cc: 'Dennis W. Brandt'; nwu-sports at tssi.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

> But they have that California beach location, and that Tree.

As I recall, there's a beach a whole lot closer to the Northwestern
campus
than to the Stanford campus.
--
Mike Nolan

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 07:32:31 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:32:31 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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References: <1538964468-1320636225-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-637542805-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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Message-ID: <001301cc9d51$b44a9400$1cdfbc00$@com>

I just seem to remember "the beach" being one reason kids chose Stanford (back in my
recruiting reporting days.) Maybe it?s the concept of California - sun, sand and the Beach
Boys (or Drugs and Rock & Roll) that casts its allure, but the smart kids all think they
need to go to Stanford to be successful later in life, particularly in the electronics
industry.

We have a similar situation here in Seaford with Sussex Tech. The tech school seems to be
able to bleed off the better Middle School athletes by selling them on a "better"
education.

The quote their higher cost per pupil numbers, not mentioning that when you have an entire
area dedicated to teaching auto-cad, or building trades, you tend to spend twice as much
money because of materials.

When Seaford HS plays Tech in baseball, there are usually 16 of the 18 starters who come
from Seaford. They go there because the parents think that money equals better education,
but their college rate is slightly higher, and most of their grads go to the local
community college anyway.

And the saddest part is kids who would start at home, ride the bench at Tech and maybe
quit before they are Seniors. It?s a big waste, since many kids don't develop the skills
until they are Juniors or later.

rsl



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:24 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Roy,
Stanford's campus is gorgeous, but it is not on a beach, more hills and woods.  NU has the
beach, sans California weather.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:57:32 
To: 'Mike Nolan'<nolan at tssi.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: 'Dennis W. Brandt'<tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>;
<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

But they have that California beach location, and that Tree.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:41 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

>  Why else is Stanford the talk of the town ?  Because its a rare case that a school does
exceptionally well at both football and academics. Of course it happens but its more the
exception than the rule. 

And Stanford has not been a consistent powerhouse school.

In the 17 seasons since 1995, Stanford has had seven winning seasons.

In that same time period, Northwestern has also had seven winning seasons,
plus one 6-6 season and one 6-6 record in the regular season but
with a bowl loss, and 2011 is still undecided.
--
Mike Nolan


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 07:40:15 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:40:15 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Joe must go
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu645zm9BUMEbGjtoGAbhTycFrqrk=ZStjRH-MdmHenUgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <547607251-1320594963-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-748392862-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
 <1320613615.81756.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <001401cc9d52$c8c84930$5a58db90$@com>

There's also a report out of State College that Curley has taken a "leave of absence" to
deal with the charges.

It?s a sad, sad story, but once the moral compass goes, it's all downhill.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 5:45 AM
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Joe must go

Latest: both AD Curley & VP Schultz have resigned (the 2 that were charged
with perjury) -
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/07/curly-schultz-step-down-at-penn-state/

As others have said, this situation is far worse than any NCAA violations
as there are real victims involved here.  It sounds like the PSU board of
trustees is at least somewhat concerned about this even though Pres.
Spanier initially jumped to a defensive stance.

I don't wish this situation on any university, particularly one in our own
conference.  Hopefully punishment is doled out as needed and things done to
prevent anything like this from happening again.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 4:26 PM, <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> And when it was clear nothing happened to Sandusky ... Then what? No
> follow up with law enforcement, which would have been logical had I had a
> sexual assault reported to me.
>
> And Curley's response was tell Sandusky he couldn't bring kids on campus??
> In other words go right ahead molesting boys Jerry -- just do not do it
> here.
>
> And they all he knew Sandusky ran a charity where young boys were heavily
> involved -- and they just let it go on as normal?? Maybe it would have been
> a good idea to put a stop to that?
>
> It may help  those unfamiliar with Penn State to note that the AD in any
> football-related manner (and many others) is subservient to Joe.
>
> Joe and Curley and the PSU cops knew all about this and took no serious
> action to stop it. It is disgusting behavior.
>
> And now watch the dominoes fall -- more will come out and I bet it all
> edges closer to Joe.
>
> Believe me I am not a Joe hater. Grew up in a PSU household and admired
> the man for years. But this is far beyond football. This is about helpless
> kids being assaulted by a man hiding behind "helping" them and people who
> could have stopped the crimes not doing so.
>
> Brad Wilson
>
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>
> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:06:55
> To: <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Joe must go
>
> I've only read a bit on this very ugly topic so far, but the "Chicago
> Tribune"
> reports that "the grad student [who witnessed an assault by
> Sandusky]..reported
> what he saw to Paterno, who immediately told [AD] Curley, prosecutors
> said".
>
> I don't interpret that as "doing nothing".
>
> Penn State President (and NU grad) Graham Spanier has gone out on a limb
> with
> unconditional support of Curley and Schultz.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com" <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
> To: hakirsch at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Sun, November 6, 2011 9:56:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Joe must go
>
> I would normally agree and of course no one has been found guilty but these
> accusations and the pattern of the coverup are much, much more credible
> and come
> from multiple sources.
>
>
> Read the grand jury report. It is devastating.
>
> As for Joe, he may not be guilty of perjury or obstruction but innocent he
> was
> not, either.
>
>
> Brad Wilson
> ------Original Message------
> From: hakirsch at aol.com
> To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> ReplyTo: hakirsch at aol.com
> Subject: Re: Joe must go
> Sent: Nov 6, 2011 10:52
>
> I think we have to be careful in the rush to judgement.  Accusations are
> easy to
> hurl. It may come out that Joe was complicit, but we don't know that yet.
> Remember Duke Lacrosse. Remember Atlanta Olympic bombing
>
> Harry
> ------Original Message------
> From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
> To: Harry
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> ReplyTo: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
> Subject: Joe must go
> Sent: Nov 6, 2011 7:25 AM
>
> Read the details on the PSU mess and you discover Joe knew all about it
> and did
> nothing.
>
>
> He can't survive this hideous scandal and he shouldn't. Neither should PSU
> president Spanier. Everybody must go.
>
>
> It is a shame, but Joe and his cronies protected a buddy they knew was
> sick and
> needed help and helped him avoid the law.
>
>
> This makes your average recruiting scandal look like absolutely nothing.
>
> Joe must go.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 07:55:46 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:55:46 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <001301cc9d51$b44a9400$1cdfbc00$@com>
References: <1538964468-1320636225-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-637542805-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
 <20111107034046.EA43F64DE9@romaine.tssi.com>
 <001901cc9d01$61526660$23f73320$@com>
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If the kids equate Stanford with the beach, they probably aren't that bright to begin with (about 5 minutes of research required) and thus would call into question Stanford's academic standards for admission

Harry 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:32:31 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I just seem to remember "the beach" being one reason kids chose Stanford (back in my
recruiting reporting days.) Maybe it?s the concept of California - sun, sand and the Beach
Boys (or Drugs and Rock & Roll) that casts its allure, but the smart kids all think they
need to go to Stanford to be successful later in life, particularly in the electronics
industry.

We have a similar situation here in Seaford with Sussex Tech. The tech school seems to be
able to bleed off the better Middle School athletes by selling them on a "better"
education.

The quote their higher cost per pupil numbers, not mentioning that when you have an entire
area dedicated to teaching auto-cad, or building trades, you tend to spend twice as much
money because of materials.

When Seaford HS plays Tech in baseball, there are usually 16 of the 18 starters who come
from Seaford. They go there because the parents think that money equals better education,
but their college rate is slightly higher, and most of their grads go to the local
community college anyway.

And the saddest part is kids who would start at home, ride the bench at Tech and maybe
quit before they are Seniors. It?s a big waste, since many kids don't develop the skills
until they are Juniors or later.

rsl



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:24 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Roy,
Stanford's campus is gorgeous, but it is not on a beach, more hills and woods.  NU has the
beach, sans California weather.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:57:32 
To: 'Mike Nolan'<nolan at tssi.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: 'Dennis W. Brandt'<tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>;
<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

But they have that California beach location, and that Tree.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:41 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

>  Why else is Stanford the talk of the town ?  Because its a rare case that a school does
exceptionally well at both football and academics. Of course it happens but its more the
exception than the rule. 

And Stanford has not been a consistent powerhouse school.

In the 17 seasons since 1995, Stanford has had seven winning seasons.

In that same time period, Northwestern has also had seven winning seasons,
plus one 6-6 season and one 6-6 record in the regular season but
with a bowl loss, and 2011 is still undecided.
--
Mike Nolan


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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 08:01:04 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:01:04 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <001301cc9d51$b44a9400$1cdfbc00$@com>
References: <1538964468-1320636225-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-637542805-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
 <20111107034046.EA43F64DE9@romaine.tssi.com>
 <001901cc9d01$61526660$23f73320$@com>
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Message-ID: <15094783-1320675069-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-594337775-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Roy,

Kids who want to go to school in Calif. To enjoy "the Beach" (culture) head to Southern California--USC, UCLA, UC Santa Barbara (on a beach), UC San Diego, etc.  Stanford has virtually everything going for it, but Sand 'n Surf ain't one.  While there is ample Pacific coastline in Northern Calif., the water is ice cold and the surf rough.  Better for seals than students.  I lived in San Fran from March-August 1973, in part as a "pioneer" on NU's inaugural "Field Study in Urban Affairs", under the auspices of the newly-established Community Studies Residential College.  I had an amazing experience, but not a lot of "beach" time.  Got to visit Stanford and was overwhelmed by beauty of it Spanish roof-themed campus.  But we had a beach--they simply did not.  Maybe the geniuses in Silicon Valley can invent a virtual beach for them.:-)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:32:31 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I just seem to remember "the beach" being one reason kids chose Stanford (back in my
recruiting reporting days.) Maybe it?s the concept of California - sun, sand and the Beach
Boys (or Drugs and Rock & Roll) that casts its allure, but the smart kids all think they
need to go to Stanford to be successful later in life, particularly in the electronics
industry.

We have a similar situation here in Seaford with Sussex Tech. The tech school seems to be
able to bleed off the better Middle School athletes by selling them on a "better"
education.

The quote their higher cost per pupil numbers, not mentioning that when you have an entire
area dedicated to teaching auto-cad, or building trades, you tend to spend twice as much
money because of materials.

When Seaford HS plays Tech in baseball, there are usually 16 of the 18 starters who come
from Seaford. They go there because the parents think that money equals better education,
but their college rate is slightly higher, and most of their grads go to the local
community college anyway.

And the saddest part is kids who would start at home, ride the bench at Tech and maybe
quit before they are Seniors. It?s a big waste, since many kids don't develop the skills
until they are Juniors or later.

rsl



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:24 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Roy,
Stanford's campus is gorgeous, but it is not on a beach, more hills and woods.  NU has the
beach, sans California weather.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:57:32 
To: 'Mike Nolan'<nolan at tssi.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: 'Dennis W. Brandt'<tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>;
<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

But they have that California beach location, and that Tree.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:41 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

>  Why else is Stanford the talk of the town ?  Because its a rare case that a school does
exceptionally well at both football and academics. Of course it happens but its more the
exception than the rule. 

And Stanford has not been a consistent powerhouse school.

In the 17 seasons since 1995, Stanford has had seven winning seasons.

In that same time period, Northwestern has also had seven winning seasons,
plus one 6-6 season and one 6-6 record in the regular season but
with a bowl loss, and 2011 is still undecided.
--
Mike Nolan


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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 08:09:29 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:09:29 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh-Oh
Message-ID: <756075647-1320675079-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1894453231-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

According to today' NY Post, we are 15-point favorites over Rice.  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov  7 08:19:27 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:19:27 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <1176058623-1320674147-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1271579052-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1538964468-1320636225-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-637542805-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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 <001301cc9d51$b44a9400$1cdfbc00$@com>
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Northern California is not a "beach" culture.  The pacific ocean is a long drive from Stanford and the water is cold.  Something only a hard core surfer could love. The Bay is pretty industrialized with a couple of parks squeezed in between swamps and evaporation ponds.  One of the best places in the world to sail, but not a "play in the water" kind of vibe.  That said, the Stanford Campus is beautiful and Silicon Valley is the place to be if you are interested in technology.  

I happen to think that Northwestern Campus is the equal of Stanford in beauty of setting.  Chicago is the equal of San Francisco in interest and activity.  We have four seasons. They only have two (wet and dry).  At the end of the day, it comes down to the personality of the kid.

My sense is as far as recruiting goes, if it comes down to Stanford and NU, NU will get its fair share of kids.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of hakirsch at aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:56 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

If the kids equate Stanford with the beach, they probably aren't that bright to begin with (about 5 minutes of research required) and thus would call into question Stanford's academic standards for admission

Harry 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:32:31 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I just seem to remember "the beach" being one reason kids chose Stanford (back in my
recruiting reporting days.) Maybe it's the concept of California - sun, sand and the Beach
Boys (or Drugs and Rock & Roll) that casts its allure, but the smart kids all think they
need to go to Stanford to be successful later in life, particularly in the electronics
industry.

We have a similar situation here in Seaford with Sussex Tech. The tech school seems to be
able to bleed off the better Middle School athletes by selling them on a "better"
education.

The quote their higher cost per pupil numbers, not mentioning that when you have an entire
area dedicated to teaching auto-cad, or building trades, you tend to spend twice as much
money because of materials.

When Seaford HS plays Tech in baseball, there are usually 16 of the 18 starters who come
from Seaford. They go there because the parents think that money equals better education,
but their college rate is slightly higher, and most of their grads go to the local
community college anyway.

And the saddest part is kids who would start at home, ride the bench at Tech and maybe
quit before they are Seniors. It's a big waste, since many kids don't develop the skills
until they are Juniors or later.

rsl



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:24 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Roy,
Stanford's campus is gorgeous, but it is not on a beach, more hills and woods.  NU has the
beach, sans California weather.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:57:32 
To: 'Mike Nolan'<nolan at tssi.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: 'Dennis W. Brandt'<tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>;
<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

But they have that California beach location, and that Tree.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:41 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

>  Why else is Stanford the talk of the town ?  Because its a rare case that a school does
exceptionally well at both football and academics. Of course it happens but its more the
exception than the rule. 

And Stanford has not been a consistent powerhouse school.

In the 17 seasons since 1995, Stanford has had seven winning seasons.

In that same time period, Northwestern has also had seven winning seasons,
plus one 6-6 season and one 6-6 record in the regular season but
with a bowl loss, and 2011 is still undecided.
--
Mike Nolan


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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 08:26:23 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:26:23 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EC8B@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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I wouldn't say the Bay Area is industrialized but it sure does have business activity.  While the beach is not a selling point I suspect good (decent ?) weather is.  If you are from California,Arizona or Florida and have a choice between Stanford and NU, you probably are scared of all the cold stories the recruiters at Stanford tell you about.  Our other academic competition of Vandy, Duke ,WFU and Rice probably could pull the same card 

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:19:27 
To: <hakirsch at aol.com>; Roy S. Lamberton<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Northern California is not a "beach" culture.  The pacific ocean is a long drive from Stanford and the water is cold.  Something only a hard core surfer could love. The Bay is pretty industrialized with a couple of parks squeezed in between swamps and evaporation ponds.  One of the best places in the world to sail, but not a "play in the water" kind of vibe.  That said, the Stanford Campus is beautiful and Silicon Valley is the place to be if you are interested in technology.  

I happen to think that Northwestern Campus is the equal of Stanford in beauty of setting.  Chicago is the equal of San Francisco in interest and activity.  We have four seasons. They only have two (wet and dry).  At the end of the day, it comes down to the personality of the kid.

My sense is as far as recruiting goes, if it comes down to Stanford and NU, NU will get its fair share of kids.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of hakirsch at aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:56 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

If the kids equate Stanford with the beach, they probably aren't that bright to begin with (about 5 minutes of research required) and thus would call into question Stanford's academic standards for admission

Harry 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:32:31 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I just seem to remember "the beach" being one reason kids chose Stanford (back in my
recruiting reporting days.) Maybe it's the concept of California - sun, sand and the Beach
Boys (or Drugs and Rock & Roll) that casts its allure, but the smart kids all think they
need to go to Stanford to be successful later in life, particularly in the electronics
industry.

We have a similar situation here in Seaford with Sussex Tech. The tech school seems to be
able to bleed off the better Middle School athletes by selling them on a "better"
education.

The quote their higher cost per pupil numbers, not mentioning that when you have an entire
area dedicated to teaching auto-cad, or building trades, you tend to spend twice as much
money because of materials.

When Seaford HS plays Tech in baseball, there are usually 16 of the 18 starters who come
from Seaford. They go there because the parents think that money equals better education,
but their college rate is slightly higher, and most of their grads go to the local
community college anyway.

And the saddest part is kids who would start at home, ride the bench at Tech and maybe
quit before they are Seniors. It's a big waste, since many kids don't develop the skills
until they are Juniors or later.

rsl



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:24 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Roy,
Stanford's campus is gorgeous, but it is not on a beach, more hills and woods.  NU has the
beach, sans California weather.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:57:32 
To: 'Mike Nolan'<nolan at tssi.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: 'Dennis W. Brandt'<tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>;
<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

But they have that California beach location, and that Tree.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:41 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

>  Why else is Stanford the talk of the town ?  Because its a rare case that a school does
exceptionally well at both football and academics. Of course it happens but its more the
exception than the rule. 

And Stanford has not been a consistent powerhouse school.

In the 17 seasons since 1995, Stanford has had seven winning seasons.

In that same time period, Northwestern has also had seven winning seasons,
plus one 6-6 season and one 6-6 record in the regular season but
with a bowl loss, and 2011 is still undecided.
--
Mike Nolan


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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov  7 08:46:10 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:46:10 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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In Southern California, the beaches are almost all publically accessible and for the most part surrounded by residential neighborhoods.  Surf is good but wind isn't.

I windsurfed in the bay a lot when I lived out there.  During the season the wind there is spectacular.  So I'm pretty familiar with where you can actually get to the water.  Access points near Palo Alto are very muddy and bay is pretty shallow - so beware of low tide.  Much better further north at 3rd Avenue (pretty rocky) or Coyote Point (great spot but costs $5 to get in).

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:26 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I wouldn't say the Bay Area is industrialized but it sure does have business activity.  While the beach is not a selling point I suspect good (decent ?) weather is.  If you are from California,Arizona or Florida and have a choice between Stanford and NU, you probably are scared of all the cold stories the recruiters at Stanford tell you about.  Our other academic competition of Vandy, Duke ,WFU and Rice probably could pull the same card 

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:19:27 
To: <hakirsch at aol.com>; Roy S. Lamberton<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Northern California is not a "beach" culture.  The pacific ocean is a long drive from Stanford and the water is cold.  Something only a hard core surfer could love. The Bay is pretty industrialized with a couple of parks squeezed in between swamps and evaporation ponds.  One of the best places in the world to sail, but not a "play in the water" kind of vibe.  That said, the Stanford Campus is beautiful and Silicon Valley is the place to be if you are interested in technology.  

I happen to think that Northwestern Campus is the equal of Stanford in beauty of setting.  Chicago is the equal of San Francisco in interest and activity.  We have four seasons. They only have two (wet and dry).  At the end of the day, it comes down to the personality of the kid.

My sense is as far as recruiting goes, if it comes down to Stanford and NU, NU will get its fair share of kids.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of hakirsch at aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:56 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

If the kids equate Stanford with the beach, they probably aren't that bright to begin with (about 5 minutes of research required) and thus would call into question Stanford's academic standards for admission

Harry 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:32:31 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I just seem to remember "the beach" being one reason kids chose Stanford (back in my
recruiting reporting days.) Maybe it's the concept of California - sun, sand and the Beach
Boys (or Drugs and Rock & Roll) that casts its allure, but the smart kids all think they
need to go to Stanford to be successful later in life, particularly in the electronics
industry.

We have a similar situation here in Seaford with Sussex Tech. The tech school seems to be
able to bleed off the better Middle School athletes by selling them on a "better"
education.

The quote their higher cost per pupil numbers, not mentioning that when you have an entire
area dedicated to teaching auto-cad, or building trades, you tend to spend twice as much
money because of materials.

When Seaford HS plays Tech in baseball, there are usually 16 of the 18 starters who come
from Seaford. They go there because the parents think that money equals better education,
but their college rate is slightly higher, and most of their grads go to the local
community college anyway.

And the saddest part is kids who would start at home, ride the bench at Tech and maybe
quit before they are Seniors. It's a big waste, since many kids don't develop the skills
until they are Juniors or later.

rsl



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:24 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Roy,
Stanford's campus is gorgeous, but it is not on a beach, more hills and woods.  NU has the
beach, sans California weather.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:57:32 
To: 'Mike Nolan'<nolan at tssi.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: 'Dennis W. Brandt'<tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>;
<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

But they have that California beach location, and that Tree.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:41 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

>  Why else is Stanford the talk of the town ?  Because its a rare case that a school does
exceptionally well at both football and academics. Of course it happens but its more the
exception than the rule. 

And Stanford has not been a consistent powerhouse school.

In the 17 seasons since 1995, Stanford has had seven winning seasons.

In that same time period, Northwestern has also had seven winning seasons,
plus one 6-6 season and one 6-6 record in the regular season but
with a bowl loss, and 2011 is still undecided.
--
Mike Nolan


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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov  7 09:07:58 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:07:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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I don't normally watch the Bo Pelini Show, because they show very little
of the game, and I always get the impression that there's a guy just off 
camera to keep him from walking off the set.  My guess is that if it wasn't
in his contract (and probably a significant portion of his income), wild
horses couldn't get Bo to do that show!

He was still pretty bummed out by the game at the time that they taped the
show, some time Saturday evening.  He pretty much repeated what he said at
the post-game press conference about being outplayed and outcoached, and
I learned nothing from the show--as usual.
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 09:10:27 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:10:27 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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You're right, Harry--up to a point.  None of them have Chicago an El ride/fare away.  Even Stanford is a good hour (given the traffic in "the Peninsula") from San Francisco, and, as far as I am aware, BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) doesn't reach to Palo Alto.
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-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:26:23 
To: Beamsley, Jeff<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Roy S. Lamberton<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; <neonrye at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I wouldn't say the Bay Area is industrialized but it sure does have business activity.  While the beach is not a selling point I suspect good (decent ?) weather is.  If you are from California,Arizona or Florida and have a choice between Stanford and NU, you probably are scared of all the cold stories the recruiters at Stanford tell you about.  Our other academic competition of Vandy, Duke ,WFU and Rice probably could pull the same card 

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:19:27 
To: <hakirsch at aol.com>; Roy S. Lamberton<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Northern California is not a "beach" culture.  The pacific ocean is a long drive from Stanford and the water is cold.  Something only a hard core surfer could love. The Bay is pretty industrialized with a couple of parks squeezed in between swamps and evaporation ponds.  One of the best places in the world to sail, but not a "play in the water" kind of vibe.  That said, the Stanford Campus is beautiful and Silicon Valley is the place to be if you are interested in technology.  

I happen to think that Northwestern Campus is the equal of Stanford in beauty of setting.  Chicago is the equal of San Francisco in interest and activity.  We have four seasons. They only have two (wet and dry).  At the end of the day, it comes down to the personality of the kid.

My sense is as far as recruiting goes, if it comes down to Stanford and NU, NU will get its fair share of kids.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of hakirsch at aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:56 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

If the kids equate Stanford with the beach, they probably aren't that bright to begin with (about 5 minutes of research required) and thus would call into question Stanford's academic standards for admission

Harry 
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From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:32:31 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I just seem to remember "the beach" being one reason kids chose Stanford (back in my
recruiting reporting days.) Maybe it's the concept of California - sun, sand and the Beach
Boys (or Drugs and Rock & Roll) that casts its allure, but the smart kids all think they
need to go to Stanford to be successful later in life, particularly in the electronics
industry.

We have a similar situation here in Seaford with Sussex Tech. The tech school seems to be
able to bleed off the better Middle School athletes by selling them on a "better"
education.

The quote their higher cost per pupil numbers, not mentioning that when you have an entire
area dedicated to teaching auto-cad, or building trades, you tend to spend twice as much
money because of materials.

When Seaford HS plays Tech in baseball, there are usually 16 of the 18 starters who come
from Seaford. They go there because the parents think that money equals better education,
but their college rate is slightly higher, and most of their grads go to the local
community college anyway.

And the saddest part is kids who would start at home, ride the bench at Tech and maybe
quit before they are Seniors. It's a big waste, since many kids don't develop the skills
until they are Juniors or later.

rsl



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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:24 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Roy,
Stanford's campus is gorgeous, but it is not on a beach, more hills and woods.  NU has the
beach, sans California weather.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:57:32 
To: 'Mike Nolan'<nolan at tssi.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: 'Dennis W. Brandt'<tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>;
<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

But they have that California beach location, and that Tree.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:41 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

>  Why else is Stanford the talk of the town ?  Because its a rare case that a school does
exceptionally well at both football and academics. Of course it happens but its more the
exception than the rule. 

And Stanford has not been a consistent powerhouse school.

In the 17 seasons since 1995, Stanford has had seven winning seasons.

In that same time period, Northwestern has also had seven winning seasons,
plus one 6-6 season and one 6-6 record in the regular season but
with a bowl loss, and 2011 is still undecided.
--
Mike Nolan


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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov  7 09:20:34 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:20:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Joe must go
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu645zm9BUMEbGjtoGAbhTycFrqrk=ZStjRH-MdmHenUgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111107152034.3FCC464DC8@romaine.tssi.com>

> Latest: both AD Curley & VP Schultz have resigned (the 2 that were charged
> with perjury) -
> http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/07/curly-schultz-step-down=
> -at-penn-state/

As I read it, Curley is on administrative leave and Schultz went back into
retirement.  (But I doubt Curley will ever be back on the job, regardless
of how long it takes for his case to be resolved.)  

Graham Spanier has been looking for a way to get rid of Paterno, 
this could be it.  Paterno's contract is up this year.  

But the Trustees might not see it that way, and Spanier could wind up 
on the hot seat, too.  

Spanier is kind of a big wheel both in Big Ten and NCAA circles, it'll
be interesting to see how that plays out.

Nebraska plays Penn State in Happy Valley this week, could make for
an interesting game, Nebraska will be angry and Penn State could be
distracted on Senior Day.  Will the media start talking it up
as possibly JoePa's last home game?
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 09:24:22 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:24:22 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EC8B@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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Hey guys, I agree with you, there is no "beach" at Stanford, but when a kid commits to
Stanford over NU, being on the coast is always mentioned, right after how good the
academics are at Stanford....

I'm just reporting what I remember from my days reading all those commitment stories.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 9:19 AM
To: hakirsch at aol.com; Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Northern California is not a "beach" culture.  The pacific ocean is a long drive from
Stanford and the water is cold.  Something only a hard core surfer could love. The Bay is
pretty industrialized with a couple of parks squeezed in between swamps and evaporation
ponds.  One of the best places in the world to sail, but not a "play in the water" kind of
vibe.  That said, the Stanford Campus is beautiful and Silicon Valley is the place to be
if you are interested in technology.  

I happen to think that Northwestern Campus is the equal of Stanford in beauty of setting.
Chicago is the equal of San Francisco in interest and activity.  We have four seasons.
They only have two (wet and dry).  At the end of the day, it comes down to the personality
of the kid.

My sense is as far as recruiting goes, if it comes down to Stanford and NU, NU will get
its fair share of kids.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
hakirsch at aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 8:56 AM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

If the kids equate Stanford with the beach, they probably aren't that bright to begin with
(about 5 minutes of research required) and thus would call into question Stanford's
academic standards for admission

Harry 
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:32:31 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I just seem to remember "the beach" being one reason kids chose Stanford (back in my
recruiting reporting days.) Maybe it's the concept of California - sun, sand and the Beach
Boys (or Drugs and Rock & Roll) that casts its allure, but the smart kids all think they
need to go to Stanford to be successful later in life, particularly in the electronics
industry.

We have a similar situation here in Seaford with Sussex Tech. The tech school seems to be
able to bleed off the better Middle School athletes by selling them on a "better"
education.

The quote their higher cost per pupil numbers, not mentioning that when you have an entire
area dedicated to teaching auto-cad, or building trades, you tend to spend twice as much
money because of materials.

When Seaford HS plays Tech in baseball, there are usually 16 of the 18 starters who come
from Seaford. They go there because the parents think that money equals better education,
but their college rate is slightly higher, and most of their grads go to the local
community college anyway.

And the saddest part is kids who would start at home, ride the bench at Tech and maybe
quit before they are Seniors. It's a big waste, since many kids don't develop the skills
until they are Juniors or later.

rsl



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com [mailto:neonrye at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 11:24 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Roy,
Stanford's campus is gorgeous, but it is not on a beach, more hills and woods.  NU has the
beach, sans California weather.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 22:57:32 
To: 'Mike Nolan'<nolan at tssi.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: 'Dennis W. Brandt'<tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>;
<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

But they have that California beach location, and that Tree.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 10:41 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

>  Why else is Stanford the talk of the town ?  Because its a rare case that a school does
exceptionally well at both football and academics. Of course it happens but its more the
exception than the rule. 

And Stanford has not been a consistent powerhouse school.

In the 17 seasons since 1995, Stanford has had seven winning seasons.

In that same time period, Northwestern has also had seven winning seasons,
plus one 6-6 season and one 6-6 record in the regular season but
with a bowl loss, and 2011 is still undecided.
--
Mike Nolan


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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 09:34:23 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:34:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Penn State
Message-ID: <1320680063.26381.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wow. This whole story is very upsetting. I have only read the ESPN story and plan to read more today. I don't convict based on media reports alone, but this clearly stems from more than a single allegation, which is troubling. For the record, if I could, I would personally put a bullet in the head of anyone who harms a child like this. I am not joking. 
?
It terms of Coach Paterno's situation, I think the section below is the most damaging. I doubt Paterno is in legal trouble, but in terms of public opinion you DO NOT wait even a single day before contacting the police when you hear something like this. Ever. 
?
I have always admired Penn State, Joe Paterno and Sandusky (when he was an active coach). I would like to wake up tomorrow and believe that this was a bad dream.
?
Jim
?
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==============================================================
"Despite a powerful eyewitness statement about the sexual assault of a child, this incident was not reported to any law enforcement or child protective agency, as required by Pennsylvania law," Kelly said. There's no indication that anyone at school attempted to find the boy or follow up with the witness, she said.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 09:37:20 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:37:20 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <20111107150758.2D07664479@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EC6D@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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I've noticed that Teddy Greenstein is starting to post videos of his little visits with
Fitz after practice.

Fitz is very open with the media guys about his feelings, while not saying much about
individual players (unless asked). It?s a trait that Randy Walker practiced very well - I
always thought RW was sending messages to different kids on the team when he'd comment
about practice afterwards.

Needless to say, I like the way Fitz does it - he's never negative about a single kid, but
puts a lot on the Seniors as a group. 

I really liked his comment last week that the kids weren't really listening to the rah rah
stuff from the coaches, but Kain and others seemed to be getting everyone fired up right
now.

That is really how you get a winner.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Nolan [mailto:nolan at tssi.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:08 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff
Cc: Mike Nolan; Roy S. Lamberton; Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports at tssi.com;
nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I don't normally watch the Bo Pelini Show, because they show very little
of the game, and I always get the impression that there's a guy just off 
camera to keep him from walking off the set.  My guess is that if it wasn't
in his contract (and probably a significant portion of his income), wild
horses couldn't get Bo to do that show!

He was still pretty bummed out by the game at the time that they taped the
show, some time Saturday evening.  He pretty much repeated what he said at
the post-game press conference about being outplayed and outcoached, and
I learned nothing from the show--as usual.
--
Mike Nolan


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Mon Nov  7 09:41:48 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:41:48 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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If you like Teddy's video of post-practice interviews, I'd have to suggest
checking out NU's Scout.com site which posts a ton more such post-practice
interviews (with Fitz & players) for FREE (I don't subscribe to any of the
recruiting sites but take advantage of their free content).  The site also
posts a good amount of free postgame written content, too.  (I'm not trying
to promote them, just bring up any place where one can get more coverage of
the 'Cats).

Jonathan

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On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> I've noticed that Teddy Greenstein is starting to post videos of his
> little visits with
> Fitz after practice.
>
> Fitz is very open with the media guys about his feelings, while not saying
> much about
> individual players (unless asked). It?s a trait that Randy Walker
> practiced very well - I
> always thought RW was sending messages to different kids on the team when
> he'd comment
> about practice afterwards.
>
> Needless to say, I like the way Fitz does it - he's never negative about a
> single kid, but
> puts a lot on the Seniors as a group.
>
> I really liked his comment last week that the kids weren't really
> listening to the rah rah
> stuff from the coaches, but Kain and others seemed to be getting everyone
> fired up right
> now.
>
> That is really how you get a winner.
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> Weather in Seaford:
> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ================================================
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> ------------------------------------------------
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
> from those who are willing to work and give it to
> those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do,
> I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Nolan [mailto:nolan at tssi.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:08 AM
> To: Beamsley, Jeff
> Cc: Mike Nolan; Roy S. Lamberton; Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports at tssi.com;
> nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
>
> I don't normally watch the Bo Pelini Show, because they show very little
> of the game, and I always get the impression that there's a guy just off
> camera to keep him from walking off the set.  My guess is that if it wasn't
> in his contract (and probably a significant portion of his income), wild
> horses couldn't get Bo to do that show!
>
> He was still pretty bummed out by the game at the time that they taped the
> show, some time Saturday evening.  He pretty much repeated what he said at
> the post-game press conference about being outplayed and outcoached, and
> I learned nothing from the show--as usual.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 09:43:29 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 10:43:29 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Penn State
In-Reply-To: <1320680063.26381.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320680063.26381.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Even Drudge has picked up on the story, as have the DC newspapers.
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/joe_paterno_issues_statement_a.html

But most of the reporting is from the AP and that story has not changed much since
Saturday.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/news/2011/11/penn-st-officials-head-court-perjury-charges
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/7/penn-state-ad-curley-administrator-schultz-
step-do/

The sports commentators are another story.

And an even more confusing sidebar - the sports reporter on WBAL TV, and the voice of the
Baltimore Ravens on the radio is named Gerry Sandusky - no relation, but I wonder how his
communications consulting biz is going today....

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Leonard
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 10:34 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] Penn State

Wow. This whole story is very upsetting. I have only read the ESPN story and plan to read
more today. I don't convict based on media reports alone, but this clearly stems from more
than a single allegation, which is troubling. For the record, if I could, I would
personally put a bullet in the head of anyone who harms a child like this. I am not
joking. 
?
It terms of Coach Paterno's situation, I think the section below is the most damaging. I
doubt Paterno is in legal trouble, but in terms of public opinion you DO NOT wait even a
single day before contacting the police when you hear something like this. Ever. 
?
I have always admired Penn State, Joe Paterno and Sandusky (when he was an active coach).
I would like to wake up tomorrow and believe that this was a bad dream.
?
Jim
?
?
==============================================================
"Despite a powerful eyewitness statement about the sexual assault of a child, this
incident was not reported to any law enforcement or child protective agency, as required
by Pennsylvania law," Kelly said. There's no indication that anyone at school attempted to
find the boy or follow up with the witness, she said.
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 09:52:49 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:52:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Husker game thoughts
Message-ID: <1320681169.82027.YahooMailNeo@web161010.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Back in Evanston from the friendliest of enemy territories. Some thoughts:

The home fans:
I've been to several Husker games before, but this was my first time there wearing visiting-team colors.?I discovered that the reputation of Husker fans as the most gracious and welcoming in the country is very well deserved.?

I can't tell you how many people said "welcome" or "good luck" or "thanks for coming" to us before the game. Even more impressive was how many folks congratulated us on the win and thanked us for coming after the game. And they mean it. That attitude has?become a point of pride, and a tradition handed down from one generation to the next. It's really quite an amazing thing to experience in person.?

The QBs:

I think Persa's contributions may have been overlooked a bit. His interception hurt, but that was one of those flukey things rather than a flat-out bad pass. For the most part, he was outstanding both running and throwing, even though it's clear his turf toe was still bothering him. And did I hear the TV guy say he still does 2 hours a day of rehab on his achilles? I really, really hope he's able to finish out the year. ?

That said, how good was Colter? Wow. I know the combination of Siemian throwing and Colter catching is a tantalizing prospect for 2012, but Colter is so good at running the offense that it's hard to imagine him not playing a ton of QB the next two years. I suspect we'll see a lot of shared duty.?

I was talking with a couple of Nebraska fans after the game and they were a little freaked out by the fact that we went three deep in (very) talented QBs.?

The Receivers:
Saturday was a reminder of what a luxury it is to have so many quality receivers. Nebraska has some big, fast WRs, but dropped balls have plagued them for a couple of years now (killed them against Texas last year, I believe) and really hurt the Huskers on Saturday. It doesn't matter how fast you are if you can't squeeze the rock when it's thrown to you. Our guys routinely make the easy catches, the hard catches, and the truly improbable catches. And guys like Ebert and Colter are plenty fast themselves.?

The Running game:

Holy crap! Who saw that coming??I couldn't be happier for the O-line and the vastly under-appreciated Jacob Schmidt. And Green's ability to spin, sidestep, twist, spurt, lean, drive, and/or fall for 3, 4, or 5 yards on almost every carry was a big factor--there's a big difference between 2nd and 8 and 2nd and 5. And Venric's going to take one of his opportunities before too long.?

As someone who grew up watching Husker running backs from Jeff Kinney to I.M. Hipp to Ahman Green light up defenses, seeing the Cats do what they did on the ground in that stadium was amazing.?

The defense:
That was what I'd hoped we'd see on a regular basis this year, but hadn't until Saturday. It was really vintage "good" NU defense: keep everything in front of you, don't give up the big play, make the sure tackles, force them to snap it again and again, and pounce on any mistakes. Ibrahim Campbell in particular grew up big-time in this game. Proby too. But everyone seemed to play well. Special nod to Ricky Weina, who's been getting some PT on nickel situations. His "who the hell is that?" heroics in that Indiana game a couple years back won't be forgotten, but now he's getting some chances to add to that legacy.?

Mick McCall:
There are always a couple of moments you'd like to see handled differently (Kain pitching to Tyris Jones was probably not the ideal scenario in the midst of a very successful first drive), but my goodness, Mick's a freakin genius.?

He can attack you every which way in the passing game, and is brilliant and exploiting weaknesses. We have a deadly option game. He found ways to pound the ball on the ground, even when Nebraska knew what was coming. And when the offense is on a roll and goes high-tempo, opponents have no idea what's coming.?Finally, if there's a better tutor of QBs in the country, I'd be surprised.?

I don't know how long we'll be able to hang on to this guy, but we should savor every moment of his time at NU.?

Tom

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 10:00:01 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:00:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <000601cc9d61$54a0e1c0$fde2a540$@com>
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>Hey guys, I agree with you, there is no "beach" at Stanford, but when a kid commits to
>Stanford over NU, being on the coast is always mentioned, right after how good the
>academics are at Stanford....


Yeah, I think some folks may be overlooking the forest for the trees here a bit. It's not San Diego, but it is northern California--there's a reason so many people are willing to pay pretty insane housing prices to live there.?

It's not difficult to understand why, all else being equal, a kid might opt for winters in Cali over winters in Chicago.?

Tom



From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 10:28:45 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:28:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 470
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On the last Northwestern drive of the game, NU took time out on 3rd down, with the ball sitting at the Nebraska 1 yard line.

I noticed that the big (and I do mean big) video/stats screen in the north end zone was showing that NU had accumulated an astounding 469 yards of offense at that point. As impressive as that was, it dawned on me that if we could just inch that number up to a nice round 470, we would be almost certain to win the game.?

Let me tell you, seeing that "470" go up on the scoreboard was a beautiful thing.?

The number actually went back down to 468 after Colter's victory formation kneel-down. That number looked OK too.?

Tom


From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 10:33:56 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:33:56 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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Yes from a Bay Area resident no doubt NorCal is an easier sell than Evanston to most kids who aren't from the mid-west (and a lot that are). If you have never lived in cold weather (Cal,Az or Florida) you have got a heckuva job selling Evanston.   We will lose out most times on that score. But we need to sell the strengths.  Unless you are QB or receiver BT Football is likely to be better for you than most West Coast Offenses pioneered out here by our late resident football genius

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:00:01 
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

>Hey guys, I agree with you, there is no "beach" at Stanford, but when a kid commits to
>Stanford over NU, being on the coast is always mentioned, right after how good the
>academics are at Stanford....


Yeah, I think some folks may be overlooking the forest for the trees here a bit. It's not San Diego, but it is northern California--there's a reason so many people are willing to pay pretty insane housing prices to live there.?

It's not difficult to understand why, all else being equal, a kid might opt for winters in Cali over winters in Chicago.?

Tom


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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 10:36:49 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:36:49 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 470
In-Reply-To: <1320683325.78380.YahooMailNeo@web161003.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
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Funny reminds me when in the 70's they gave Dave Hampton the ball when he surpassed 1000 yards on the last game of the season only to have him lose 8 yards on a subsequent run and never cross over 1000 

Harry
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From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
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Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:28:45 
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] 470

On the last Northwestern drive of the game, NU took time out on 3rd down, with the ball sitting at the Nebraska 1 yard line.

I noticed that the big (and I do mean big) video/stats screen in the north end zone was showing that NU had accumulated an astounding 469 yards of offense at that point. As impressive as that was, it dawned on me that if we could just inch that number up to a nice round 470, we would be almost certain to win the game.?

Let me tell you, seeing that "470" go up on the scoreboard was a beautiful thing.?

The number actually went back down to 468 after Colter's victory formation kneel-down. That number looked OK too.?

Tom

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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 10:40:45 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:40:45 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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Since I have lived out here since 1983, in San Francisco (83-89), in San
Diego (89-92) and since in the LA area ...

As has been mentioned -- there is no beach at Stanford. It is down the
peninsula, about 45 minutes south of SF proper. It's called "The Farm."
Usually, it's warmer there than in the city. It's typically warmer there
than in Berkeley, which really can be cold and foggy. My wife went to
college at Berkeley. She jokes that she spent most of her college years
wrapped up in a sleeping bag with a hemline and sleeves. It can get chilly
at night at Stanford, too. I covered the 2003 track and field national
championships at Stanford, and it was so cold the night of the men's 10k I
thought we were all going to get pneumonia.

The nearest beach from Stanford would be Half Moon Bay, which is an
excellent place to grow pumpkins. The nearest beaches you'd be most likely
to visit as a tourist would be 1) Santa Cruz, which has a great boardwalk
and an excellent collection of hippies and stoners and 2) Monterey, which
has a great aquarium and, of course, nearby Pebble Beach and the great golf
courses. My brother went to the Navy grad school at Monterey. I did a lot
of scuba diving there. The water is 47 degrees. It's not for the
faint-hearted.

If you have ever visited Stanford, it is pretty easy to understand why any
kid with an ounce of sense would want to go there. We at Northwestern have
a totally uphill battle, and it only starts with the weather. Pretty much
everything about Stanford is first-rate. Every outstanding kid in
California learns from the time they're in seventh grade that Stanford is
the brass ring, and that's that.







On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> wrote:

> >Hey guys, I agree with you, there is no "beach" at Stanford, but when a
> kid commits to
> >Stanford over NU, being on the coast is always mentioned, right after how
> good the
> >academics are at Stanford....
>
>
> Yeah, I think some folks may be overlooking the forest for the trees here
> a bit. It's not San Diego, but it is northern California--there's a reason
> so many people are willing to pay pretty insane housing prices to live
> there.
>
> It's not difficult to understand why, all else being equal, a kid might
> opt for winters in Cali over winters in Chicago.
>
> Tom
>
>
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 10:51:44 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:51:44 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Husker game thoughts
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Nice wrap up Tom. And I can only second the politeness of Husker fans from the Alamo Bowl experience. (Not much else to smile about from that game, but now having exacted revenge, I can at least look back on it) 

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:52:49 
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Husker game thoughts

Back in Evanston from the friendliest of enemy territories. Some thoughts:

The home fans:
I've been to several Husker games before, but this was my first time there wearing visiting-team colors.?I discovered that the reputation of Husker fans as the most gracious and welcoming in the country is very well deserved.?

I can't tell you how many people said "welcome" or "good luck" or "thanks for coming" to us before the game. Even more impressive was how many folks congratulated us on the win and thanked us for coming after the game. And they mean it. That attitude has?become a point of pride, and a tradition handed down from one generation to the next. It's really quite an amazing thing to experience in person.?

The QBs:

I think Persa's contributions may have been overlooked a bit. His interception hurt, but that was one of those flukey things rather than a flat-out bad pass. For the most part, he was outstanding both running and throwing, even though it's clear his turf toe was still bothering him. And did I hear the TV guy say he still does 2 hours a day of rehab on his achilles? I really, really hope he's able to finish out the year. ?

That said, how good was Colter? Wow. I know the combination of Siemian throwing and Colter catching is a tantalizing prospect for 2012, but Colter is so good at running the offense that it's hard to imagine him not playing a ton of QB the next two years. I suspect we'll see a lot of shared duty.?

I was talking with a couple of Nebraska fans after the game and they were a little freaked out by the fact that we went three deep in (very) talented QBs.?

The Receivers:
Saturday was a reminder of what a luxury it is to have so many quality receivers. Nebraska has some big, fast WRs, but dropped balls have plagued them for a couple of years now (killed them against Texas last year, I believe) and really hurt the Huskers on Saturday. It doesn't matter how fast you are if you can't squeeze the rock when it's thrown to you. Our guys routinely make the easy catches, the hard catches, and the truly improbable catches. And guys like Ebert and Colter are plenty fast themselves.?

The Running game:

Holy crap! Who saw that coming??I couldn't be happier for the O-line and the vastly under-appreciated Jacob Schmidt. And Green's ability to spin, sidestep, twist, spurt, lean, drive, and/or fall for 3, 4, or 5 yards on almost every carry was a big factor--there's a big difference between 2nd and 8 and 2nd and 5. And Venric's going to take one of his opportunities before too long.?

As someone who grew up watching Husker running backs from Jeff Kinney to I.M. Hipp to Ahman Green light up defenses, seeing the Cats do what they did on the ground in that stadium was amazing.?

The defense:
That was what I'd hoped we'd see on a regular basis this year, but hadn't until Saturday. It was really vintage "good" NU defense: keep everything in front of you, don't give up the big play, make the sure tackles, force them to snap it again and again, and pounce on any mistakes. Ibrahim Campbell in particular grew up big-time in this game. Proby too. But everyone seemed to play well. Special nod to Ricky Weina, who's been getting some PT on nickel situations. His "who the hell is that?" heroics in that Indiana game a couple years back won't be forgotten, but now he's getting some chances to add to that legacy.?

Mick McCall:
There are always a couple of moments you'd like to see handled differently (Kain pitching to Tyris Jones was probably not the ideal scenario in the midst of a very successful first drive), but my goodness, Mick's a freakin genius.?

He can attack you every which way in the passing game, and is brilliant and exploiting weaknesses. We have a deadly option game. He found ways to pound the ball on the ground, even when Nebraska knew what was coming. And when the offense is on a roll and goes high-tempo, opponents have no idea what's coming.?Finally, if there's a better tutor of QBs in the country, I'd be surprised.?

I don't know how long we'll be able to hang on to this guy, but we should savor every moment of his time at NU.?

Tom
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 11:07:56 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:07:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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I think Mark Twain said that the coldest day he ever experienced was in San Francisco in
July?

Have to look it up. It's one of his less famous sayings.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:41 AM
To: Tom Maycock
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Since I have lived out here since 1983, in San Francisco (83-89), in San
Diego (89-92) and since in the LA area ...

As has been mentioned -- there is no beach at Stanford. It is down the
peninsula, about 45 minutes south of SF proper. It's called "The Farm."
Usually, it's warmer there than in the city. It's typically warmer there
than in Berkeley, which really can be cold and foggy. My wife went to
college at Berkeley. She jokes that she spent most of her college years
wrapped up in a sleeping bag with a hemline and sleeves. It can get chilly
at night at Stanford, too. I covered the 2003 track and field national
championships at Stanford, and it was so cold the night of the men's 10k I
thought we were all going to get pneumonia.

The nearest beach from Stanford would be Half Moon Bay, which is an
excellent place to grow pumpkins. The nearest beaches you'd be most likely
to visit as a tourist would be 1) Santa Cruz, which has a great boardwalk
and an excellent collection of hippies and stoners and 2) Monterey, which
has a great aquarium and, of course, nearby Pebble Beach and the great golf
courses. My brother went to the Navy grad school at Monterey. I did a lot
of scuba diving there. The water is 47 degrees. It's not for the
faint-hearted.

If you have ever visited Stanford, it is pretty easy to understand why any
kid with an ounce of sense would want to go there. We at Northwestern have
a totally uphill battle, and it only starts with the weather. Pretty much
everything about Stanford is first-rate. Every outstanding kid in
California learns from the time they're in seventh grade that Stanford is
the brass ring, and that's that.







On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> wrote:

> >Hey guys, I agree with you, there is no "beach" at Stanford, but when a
> kid commits to
> >Stanford over NU, being on the coast is always mentioned, right after how
> good the
> >academics are at Stanford....
>
>
> Yeah, I think some folks may be overlooking the forest for the trees here
> a bit. It's not San Diego, but it is northern California--there's a reason
> so many people are willing to pay pretty insane housing prices to live
> there.
>
> It's not difficult to understand why, all else being equal, a kid might
> opt for winters in Cali over winters in Chicago.
>
> Tom
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 11:16:45 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:16:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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I believe he said it was the coldest summer of his life. Still, the Bay Area beats a Chicago winter any day. 
?
Jim


________________________________
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: 'Alan Abrahamson' <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; 'Tom Maycock' <tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 11:07 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I think Mark Twain said that the coldest day he ever experienced was in San Francisco in
July?

Have to look it up. It's one of his less famous sayings.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
? Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:41 AM
To: Tom Maycock
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Since I have lived out here since 1983, in San Francisco (83-89), in San
Diego (89-92) and since in the LA area ...

As has been mentioned -- there is no beach at Stanford. It is down the
peninsula, about 45 minutes south of SF proper. It's called "The Farm."
Usually, it's warmer there than in the city. It's typically warmer there
than in Berkeley, which really can be cold and foggy. My wife went to
college at Berkeley. She jokes that she spent most of her college years
wrapped up in a sleeping bag with a hemline and sleeves. It can get chilly
at night at Stanford, too. I covered the 2003 track and field national
championships at Stanford, and it was so cold the night of the men's 10k I
thought we were all going to get pneumonia.

The nearest beach from Stanford would be Half Moon Bay, which is an
excellent place to grow pumpkins. The nearest beaches you'd be most likely
to visit as a tourist would be 1) Santa Cruz, which has a great boardwalk
and an excellent collection of hippies and stoners and 2) Monterey, which
has a great aquarium and, of course, nearby Pebble Beach and the great golf
courses. My brother went to the Navy grad school at Monterey. I did a lot
of scuba diving there. The water is 47 degrees. It's not for the
faint-hearted.

If you have ever visited Stanford, it is pretty easy to understand why any
kid with an ounce of sense would want to go there. We at Northwestern have
a totally uphill battle, and it only starts with the weather. Pretty much
everything about Stanford is first-rate. Every outstanding kid in
California learns from the time they're in seventh grade that Stanford is
the brass ring, and that's that.







On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> wrote:

> >Hey guys, I agree with you, there is no "beach" at Stanford, but when a
> kid commits to
> >Stanford over NU, being on the coast is always mentioned, right after how
> good the
> >academics are at Stanford....
>
>
> Yeah, I think some folks may be overlooking the forest for the trees here
> a bit. It's not San Diego, but it is northern California--there's a reason
> so many people are willing to pay pretty insane housing prices to live
> there.
>
> It's not difficult to understand why, all else being equal, a kid might
> opt for winters in Cali over winters in Chicago.
>
> Tom
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 11:20:46 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 09:20:46 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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The actual quote is reported to be:
"The coldest winter I ever saw was the summer I spent in San Francisco."

However, it is disputed whether he actually ever said this or not.

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I believe he said it was the coldest summer of his life. Still, the Bay
> Area beats a Chicago winter any day.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
> To: 'Alan Abrahamson' <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; 'Tom Maycock' <
> tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 11:07 AM
>  Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
>
> I think Mark Twain said that the coldest day he ever experienced was in
> San Francisco in
> July?
>
> Have to look it up. It's one of his less famous sayings.
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> Weather in Seaford:
> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>   Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ================================================
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> ------------------------------------------------
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
> from those who are willing to work and give it to
> those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do,
> I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                    -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Alan
> Abrahamson
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:41 AM
> To: Tom Maycock
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
>
> Since I have lived out here since 1983, in San Francisco (83-89), in San
> Diego (89-92) and since in the LA area ...
>
> As has been mentioned -- there is no beach at Stanford. It is down the
> peninsula, about 45 minutes south of SF proper. It's called "The Farm."
> Usually, it's warmer there than in the city. It's typically warmer there
> than in Berkeley, which really can be cold and foggy. My wife went to
> college at Berkeley. She jokes that she spent most of her college years
> wrapped up in a sleeping bag with a hemline and sleeves. It can get chilly
> at night at Stanford, too. I covered the 2003 track and field national
> championships at Stanford, and it was so cold the night of the men's 10k I
> thought we were all going to get pneumonia.
>
> The nearest beach from Stanford would be Half Moon Bay, which is an
> excellent place to grow pumpkins. The nearest beaches you'd be most likely
> to visit as a tourist would be 1) Santa Cruz, which has a great boardwalk
> and an excellent collection of hippies and stoners and 2) Monterey, which
> has a great aquarium and, of course, nearby Pebble Beach and the great golf
> courses. My brother went to the Navy grad school at Monterey. I did a lot
> of scuba diving there. The water is 47 degrees. It's not for the
> faint-hearted.
>
> If you have ever visited Stanford, it is pretty easy to understand why any
> kid with an ounce of sense would want to go there. We at Northwestern have
> a totally uphill battle, and it only starts with the weather. Pretty much
> everything about Stanford is first-rate. Every outstanding kid in
> California learns from the time they're in seventh grade that Stanford is
> the brass ring, and that's that.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > >Hey guys, I agree with you, there is no "beach" at Stanford, but when a
> > kid commits to
> > >Stanford over NU, being on the coast is always mentioned, right after
> how
> > good the
> > >academics are at Stanford....
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I think some folks may be overlooking the forest for the trees here
> > a bit. It's not San Diego, but it is northern California--there's a
> reason
> > so many people are willing to pay pretty insane housing prices to live
> > there.
> >
> > It's not difficult to understand why, all else being equal, a kid might
> > opt for winters in Cali over winters in Chicago.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 11:21:18 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:21:18 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
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Yes he is credited with the statement but as pointed out earlier Palo Alto weather is night and day compared with SF. It's not unusual to have a 35 -40 degree difference in the summer.  

The advantage is if you don't like the weather, rather than "wait 10 minutes" as in Chicago, you drive for 30 minutes and you will get the weather you want

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:07:56 
To: 'Alan Abrahamson'<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; 'Tom Maycock'<tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

I think Mark Twain said that the coldest day he ever experienced was in San Francisco in
July?

Have to look it up. It's one of his less famous sayings.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
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from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 11:41 AM
To: Tom Maycock
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Since I have lived out here since 1983, in San Francisco (83-89), in San
Diego (89-92) and since in the LA area ...

As has been mentioned -- there is no beach at Stanford. It is down the
peninsula, about 45 minutes south of SF proper. It's called "The Farm."
Usually, it's warmer there than in the city. It's typically warmer there
than in Berkeley, which really can be cold and foggy. My wife went to
college at Berkeley. She jokes that she spent most of her college years
wrapped up in a sleeping bag with a hemline and sleeves. It can get chilly
at night at Stanford, too. I covered the 2003 track and field national
championships at Stanford, and it was so cold the night of the men's 10k I
thought we were all going to get pneumonia.

The nearest beach from Stanford would be Half Moon Bay, which is an
excellent place to grow pumpkins. The nearest beaches you'd be most likely
to visit as a tourist would be 1) Santa Cruz, which has a great boardwalk
and an excellent collection of hippies and stoners and 2) Monterey, which
has a great aquarium and, of course, nearby Pebble Beach and the great golf
courses. My brother went to the Navy grad school at Monterey. I did a lot
of scuba diving there. The water is 47 degrees. It's not for the
faint-hearted.

If you have ever visited Stanford, it is pretty easy to understand why any
kid with an ounce of sense would want to go there. We at Northwestern have
a totally uphill battle, and it only starts with the weather. Pretty much
everything about Stanford is first-rate. Every outstanding kid in
California learns from the time they're in seventh grade that Stanford is
the brass ring, and that's that.







On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:00 AM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> wrote:

> >Hey guys, I agree with you, there is no "beach" at Stanford, but when a
> kid commits to
> >Stanford over NU, being on the coast is always mentioned, right after how
> good the
> >academics are at Stanford....
>
>
> Yeah, I think some folks may be overlooking the forest for the trees here
> a bit. It's not San Diego, but it is northern California--there's a reason
> so many people are willing to pay pretty insane housing prices to live
> there.
>
> It's not difficult to understand why, all else being equal, a kid might
> opt for winters in Cali over winters in Chicago.
>
> Tom
>
>
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Nov  7 11:44:54 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:44:54 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: PSU column in The Nation
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375BBC5AD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.thenation.com/blog/164433/college-footballs-logic-why-joe-paterno-and-penn-state-would-shield-child-molester


From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 12:15:37 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (Harry Kirsch)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:15:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: PSU column in The Nation
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375BBC5AD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375BBC5AD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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I am not a lawyer so perhaps those on the list could help me out--Based on what I am reading it is PA law to report a child sexual assault---If my neighbor tells me he saw John Doe sexually assault an 11 year old boy, I am required to call the cops ?--or do I have to have witnessed it directly or be told of it by an alleged victim ? Can I contact an authority of where it allegedly happened ?  Thus can I cal the Principal of a school if I hear (not personally witnessed) a teacher was sexually assaulting a minor and be done with it ?

What seems to have happened--( and again I understand a lot of information is currently not available and thus could change my thoughts) is someone told Joe Pa about it and  he went and told University officials assuming they would investigate the matter--Is he required to follow up ? should he follow up ?  Is he required to still tell the cops ? My sense is if it isnt the law, and  that he tells university officials and assumes they will investigate--if he doesnt hear anything else, he might feel that they took a look at it and didnt find anything more--(the fact that there was more, in this instance shouldnt be Joe's responsibility-,-that is ,can't he properly  assume that if told the University, that they would investigate properly ?

I am sure he  has reported a whole host of allegations throughout his career and lets the University do its job of investigating (i.e it isnt his job to investigate , only to notify those that are supposed to investigate and co operate fully with any investigation)--This he appears to have done

Harry


-----Original Message-----
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To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 9:46 am
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: PSU column in The Nation


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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov  7 12:36:34 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 12:36:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <205945662-1320686480-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1027196025-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20111107183634.E5B7A64E12@romaine.tssi.com>

> Yes he is credited with the statement but as pointed out earlier Palo Alto =
> weather is night and day compared with SF. It's not unusual to have a 35 -40
> degree difference in the summer. 

In August of 1995, when we went up into the redwood forest at Muir Woods 
National Monument, it was in the low 60's there, but it had been in the 
high 90's just before we crossed the Golden Gate Bridge, and it was over 
100 a bit north of there as we drove back to Concord CA.  

However, according to snopes.com, Mark Twain didn't quite say 
"the coldest winter I ever spent was last summer in San Francisco."

> The advantage is if you don't like the weather, rather than "wait 10 minutes
> as in Chicago, you drive for 30 minutes and you will get the weather you
> want

FWIW, Mark Twain DID say "If you don't like the weather in New England, just 
wait a few minutes."
--
Mike Nolan


From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 12:38:29 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:38:29 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: PSU column in The Nation
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375BBC5AD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <1E62D3B403154E3BB8AA8297C4FA07A5@dennismachine>

> http://www.thenation.com/blog/164433/college-footballs-logic-why-joe-paterno-and-penn-state-would-shield-child-molester

One must remember that the article appeared in The Nation.  It is nonetheless certain that questions will continue to haunt Joe Paterno on this topic.  And thought being harassed about a quarterback controversy was a pain in the butt.

From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Nov  7 12:41:30 2011
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:41:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Lincoln newspaper front page
In-Reply-To: <4EB6F205.1090104@mindspring.com>
References: <20111106200526.B654B648A4@romaine.tssi.com>
 <4EB6F205.1090104@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <4E61E3B9-9F49-4CE3-AD7B-8F6072372BE1@att.net>

He is *not* related to the conservative pundit with the homophonous name. Our Colter does not have a 'u' in his name.

-Michael
Sent from my mobile device...

On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Clark Zahn <clzahn at mindspring.com> wrote:

> There sure a lot of people spelling Colter's name wrong.  It must be contagious.
> 
> 
> On 11/06/2011 12:05 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:
>> On the front page of the Lincoln Journal Star today above the masthead
>> is a picture of a Northwestern player (not sure which one) diving
>> over a Nebraska player.
>> 
>> In large purple type it says:              NU  28
>> Below that, in smaller red type it says:   NU  25
>> 
>> The sports section front page has a half page shot of Coulter stepping
>> past Nebraska safety Stafford, with several Nebraska players and coaching
>> staff visible in the backround, and the caption "CATNAPPING".
>> 
>> I may have to frame these.
>> --
>> Mike Nolan
>> 
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 12:41:44 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 18:41:44 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
Message-ID: <1059261811-1320691305-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1436047134-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Having grown up in New England I concur !
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: Harry
Cc: Roy S. Lamberton
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: 'Alan Abrahamson'
Cc: 'Tom Maycock'
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
Sent: Nov 7, 2011 10:36 AM

> Yes he is credited with the statement but as pointed out earlier Palo Alto =
> weather is night and day compared with SF. It's not unusual to have a 35 -40
> degree difference in the summer. 

In August of 1995, when we went up into the redwood forest at Muir Woods 
National Monument, it was in the low 60's there, but it had been in the 
high 90's just before we crossed the Golden Gate Bridge, and it was over 
100 a bit north of there as we drove back to Concord CA.  

However, according to snopes.com, Mark Twain didn't quite say 
"the coldest winter I ever spent was last summer in San Francisco."

> The advantage is if you don't like the weather, rather than "wait 10 minutes
> as in Chicago, you drive for 30 minutes and you will get the weather you
> want

FWIW, Mark Twain DID say "If you don't like the weather in New England, just 
wait a few minutes."
--
Mike Nolan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov  7 12:45:47 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:45:47 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: PSU column in The Nation
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375BBC5AD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375BBC5AD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03ECF2@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

If all of the things in this article are true, then I don't see how Joe
can escape unscathed.

The law requires reporting information regarding child abuse to the
authorities.  That's because the first priority is to stop the abuse.
Even if Joe didn't know his legal responsibilities, he has a moral
responsibility to stop the abuse.  If, as it appears, all they did was
remove PSU from the line of fire, then he and everyone else who knew and
did nothing to stop it are accomplices to the crime.

Jeff

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On Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 12:45 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: PSU column in The Nation

http://www.thenation.com/blog/164433/college-footballs-logic-why-joe-pat
erno-and-penn-state-would-shield-child-molester

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov  7 12:59:19 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:59:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: PSU column in The Nation
In-Reply-To: <8CE6B9061FEF165-C44-122B3D@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375BBC5AD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
 <8CE6B9061FEF165-C44-122B3D@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03ECF4@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Harry,

Joe's defense according to his lawyer is that the original grad
assistant didn't tell Joe in detail what he saw in the shower in 2002.
Still, if there was any question that Sandusky was hurting these kids,
wouldn't most reasonable people have at least asked their internal
contact again.  Now it may turn out that Curley told Joe that it was all
taken care of and was a big misunderstanding.  That certainly could get
Joe off the hook, but only because of his age.  A younger person would
not accept that sort of response.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Harry Kirsch
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 1:16 PM
To: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] FW: PSU column in The Nation



I am not a lawyer so perhaps those on the list could help me out--Based
on what I am reading it is PA law to report a child sexual assault---If
my neighbor tells me he saw John Doe sexually assault an 11 year old
boy, I am required to call the cops ?--or do I have to have witnessed it
directly or be told of it by an alleged victim ? Can I contact an
authority of where it allegedly happened ?  Thus can I cal the Principal
of a school if I hear (not personally witnessed) a teacher was sexually
assaulting a minor and be done with it ?

What seems to have happened--( and again I understand a lot of
information is currently not available and thus could change my
thoughts) is someone told Joe Pa about it and  he went and told
University officials assuming they would investigate the matter--Is he
required to follow up ? should he follow up ?  Is he required to still
tell the cops ? My sense is if it isnt the law, and  that he tells
university officials and assumes they will investigate--if he doesnt
hear anything else, he might feel that they took a look at it and didnt
find anything more--(the fact that there was more, in this instance
shouldnt be Joe's responsibility-,-that is ,can't he properly  assume
that if told the University, that they would investigate properly ?

I am sure he  has reported a whole host of allegations throughout his
career and lets the University do its job of investigating (i.e it isnt
his job to investigate , only to notify those that are supposed to
investigate and co operate fully with any investigation)--This he
appears to have done

Harry


-----Original Message-----
From: Weinbaum, Willie <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 9:46 am
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: PSU column in The Nation


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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov  7 13:14:50 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:14:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] highlights from Nebraska's Monday press conference
Message-ID: <20111107191450.A311664E24@romaine.tssi.com>

I listened to/watched the Nebraska press conference online, over an hour
and a half of background chatter, with maybe 15 minutes with Pelini
and 2-3 minutes with about a half dozen players.

The final player was QB Taylor Martinez, who said that Northwestern
did something none of the other schools he's faced had done yet,
the Northwestern players were watching the Nebraska sidelines as the
signals were being flashed in.  They had to start mixing up their
signals.

Martinez said something like:  It's Northwestern, they're not stupid.
--
Mike Nolan 


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 13:20:06 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 14:20:06 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
In-Reply-To: <1059261811-1320691305-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1436047134-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1059261811-1320691305-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1436047134-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <000e01cc9d82$432f1490$c98d3db0$@com>

I knew you guys would know the actual quote.

FWIW, the coldest summer I ever spent was 2 weeks at Treasure Island in August. But they
also had a thunderstorm while I was there, and that was a first.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 1:42 PM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; 'Alan Abrahamson'; 'Tom Maycock';
nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers

Having grown up in New England I concur !
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: Harry
Cc: Roy S. Lamberton
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: 'Alan Abrahamson'
Cc: 'Tom Maycock'
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 'Cats-Huskers
Sent: Nov 7, 2011 10:36 AM

> Yes he is credited with the statement but as pointed out earlier Palo Alto =
> weather is night and day compared with SF. It's not unusual to have a 35 -40
> degree difference in the summer. 

In August of 1995, when we went up into the redwood forest at Muir Woods 
National Monument, it was in the low 60's there, but it had been in the 
high 90's just before we crossed the Golden Gate Bridge, and it was over 
100 a bit north of there as we drove back to Concord CA.  

However, according to snopes.com, Mark Twain didn't quite say 
"the coldest winter I ever spent was last summer in San Francisco."

> The advantage is if you don't like the weather, rather than "wait 10 minutes
> as in Chicago, you drive for 30 minutes and you will get the weather you
> want

FWIW, Mark Twain DID say "If you don't like the weather in New England, just 
wait a few minutes."
--
Mike Nolan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 15:32:08 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:32:08 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] highlights from Nebraska's Monday press conference
In-Reply-To: <20111107191450.A311664E24@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111107191450.A311664E24@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <001a01cc9d94$b4d26630$1e773290$@com>

You mean they thought we were stealing signs?

What do they think we're playing, baseball?

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 2:15 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] highlights from Nebraska's Monday press conference

I listened to/watched the Nebraska press conference online, over an hour
and a half of background chatter, with maybe 15 minutes with Pelini
and 2-3 minutes with about a half dozen players.

The final player was QB Taylor Martinez, who said that Northwestern
did something none of the other schools he's faced had done yet,
the Northwestern players were watching the Nebraska sidelines as the
signals were being flashed in.  They had to start mixing up their
signals.

Martinez said something like:  It's Northwestern, they're not stupid.
--
Mike Nolan 

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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 15:55:51 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:55:51 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation to report abuse
Message-ID: <111542097-1320702952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1192968624-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>

... And the Pa. State Police Commissioner is now saying the same thing. 

Spanier and Curley and Schultz may escape on narrow legalistic terms but their moral culpability is blindingly obvious. 

Look at the time line here and ask yourself: why was Sandusky allowed to work with children until 2008? Why did Sandusky not get the Maryland job in 1996? Why did Joe tell Sandusky in 1999 he would be his (joe's) successor when in fact that seemed very possible? Why did somebody at PSU who knew of the 1998, 2000 and 2002 incidents not call the real cops? Why was Sandusky not thrown off campus and his office and keys taken away? 

Why didn't Penn State do the right thing??? And how many children's lives were devastated as a result? 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  7 16:02:27 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:02:27 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation to report
	abuse
In-Reply-To: <111542097-1320702952-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1145308058-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
References: <111542097-1320702952-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1145308058-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1050271901-1320703348-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2107130329-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>

Sorry, that was why Sandusky would NOT be Joe's successor. 

Bw
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-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:55:51 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Subject: Jeff is right about a moral obligation to report abuse

... And the Pa. State Police Commissioner is now saying the same thing. 

Spanier and Curley and Schultz may escape on narrow legalistic terms but their moral culpability is blindingly obvious. 

Look at the time line here and ask yourself: why was Sandusky allowed to work with children until 2008? Why did Sandusky not get the Maryland job in 1996? Why did Joe tell Sandusky in 1999 he would be his (joe's) successor when in fact that seemed very possible? Why did somebody at PSU who knew of the 1998, 2000 and 2002 incidents not call the real cops? Why was Sandusky not thrown off campus and his office and keys taken away? 

Why didn't Penn State do the right thing??? And how many children's lives were devastated as a result? 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  7 16:49:20 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:49:20 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation to report
	abuse
In-Reply-To: <111542097-1320702952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1192968624-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
References: <111542097-1320702952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1192968624-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <001b01cc9d9f$7d6936f0$783ba4d0$@com>

Does answer a lot of questions about State Penn back in the 90's

The problem is that while they do not link pedophilia with homosexuality, those who are
confronted with pedophilia don't always understand the difference, and they don't want to
call down the "hammers of hell" response you get if you call attention to the activities.

JoPa had to suspect that Sandusky had certain leanings towards pedophilia or at least that
he was going both ways in his personal life. Sooner or later, a subordinate gives away his
feelings, and out on recruiting trips, there had to be some inkling of Sandusky's problem.

But you don't bring someone's personal life into a business arrangement unless it starts
to affect their performance. When all this started, Sandusky was a very well respected
defensive guru.

I'm not happy that all this has happened to a man who was considered one of the best
coaches back in the mid 90's. The assistant who witnessed the reported event was obviously
scared to report what he saw to anyone, because Sandusky had a tremendous reputation, and
so much power over the assistant coaches.

But what is worse is that this is going to rip up college football as every investigative
reporter in every Div I or II town starts to look under rocks, and, of course, there will
have to be new rules imposed to try to get people to enforce what is really good common
sense enforcement of existing laws relating to minors.

We boomers created and allowed an "anything goes" attitude in the 60's and 70's. And now
the Chickens are coming home to roost and it effects not our children, but our
grandchildren.

rsl


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:56 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation to report abuse

... And the Pa. State Police Commissioner is now saying the same thing. 

Spanier and Curley and Schultz may escape on narrow legalistic terms but their moral
culpability is blindingly obvious. 

Look at the time line here and ask yourself: why was Sandusky allowed to work with
children until 2008? Why did Sandusky not get the Maryland job in 1996? Why did Joe tell
Sandusky in 1999 he would be his (joe's) successor when in fact that seemed very possible?
Why did somebody at PSU who knew of the 1998, 2000 and 2002 incidents not call the real
cops? Why was Sandusky not thrown off campus and his office and keys taken away? 

Why didn't Penn State do the right thing??? And how many children's lives were devastated
as a result? 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
_______________________________________________
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From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Nov  7 18:47:55 2011
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:47:55 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Lincoln newspaper front page
In-Reply-To: <1320610359.99327.YahooMailNeo@web121712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20111106200526.B654B648A4@romaine.tssi.com>
 <1320610359.99327.YahooMailNeo@web121712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C13C12A9-EF8E-4A28-9C32-447F7E2FBBCE@att.net>

Did anyone save it where they can re-post it? The Newseum seems to just have the current day's front pages, with certain very high profile events archived. As cataclysmic as it was for 'Husker fans to lose to NU, I'm afraid it didn't meet the Newseum's criteria.

-Michael
Sent from my mobile device...

On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:12 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Classic - thanks for sharing!
> 
> For anyone who wants a web link to the pdf (screensaver material? :) ), it's http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/hr.asp?fpVname=NE_LJS&ref_pge=gal&b_pge=6
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>  
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 1:05 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] Lincoln newspaper front page
> 
> On the front page of the Lincoln Journal Star today above the masthead
> is a picture of a Northwestern player (not sure which one) diving 
> over a Nebraska player.  
> 
> In large purple type it says:              NU  28
> Below that, in smaller red type it says:   NU  25
> 
> The sports section front page has a half page shot of Coulter stepping
> past Nebraska safety Stafford, with several Nebraska players and coaching 
> staff visible in the backround, and the caption "CATNAPPING".  
> 
> I may have to frame these.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 19:07:09 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 01:07:09 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation to
	report	abuse
In-Reply-To: <001b01cc9d9f$7d6936f0$783ba4d0$@com>
References: <111542097-1320702952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1192968624-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
 <001b01cc9d9f$7d6936f0$783ba4d0$@com>
Message-ID: <1715600296-1320714284-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1886335250-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Roy,

With all due respect, as a "Boomer" (and contemporary of yours at NU), neither you, nor I, nor the Hippies or Flower Children, created or condoned the conditions for pedophilia.  You can justifiably blame our generation for some bad things or praise us for some good things (such as helping to end segregation and America's involvement in the Vietnam War--although I am sure you wouldn't agree--and advancement of equal rights for women), but what Sandusky is accused of doing, no, that cannot be credibly laid at our collective feet, and no chickens are coming home to roost here.  Under your theory, are you also going to blame "Boomer" culture for the Catholic Priest Pedophile scandals?  Evil exploitation is what Sandusky's alleged actions were, if true, pure and simple, same as with the Priests.  

As for Sandusky's  alleged enablers and perjurers, Messrs. Curley and Schultz--what did we all learn from (resigned) President Nixon--the Cover-up is always worse than the crime?  That didn't come from the "Boomers"--in fact, those of us who always knew he couldn't be trusted were proven right when he was caught lying on the released tapes---and then had to confess to his stalwart allies--men of integrity such as Barry Goldwater--that he had duped them and misled them  all along.

I fervently hope that Joe Pa has some valid explanation for his very limited, superficially correct, but insufficient, response when he was made aware of the "cancer" (to use John Dean's famous Watergate phrase) within his ranks.  While Sandusky was no longer a Coach at that time, I don't think that gives Joe Pa a moral "out", even if it gives him a legal one.  This is so troubling I have a hard time processing it.  Would love to hear Fitz's take on all of this, given his virtual worship of Coach Paterno.  

Forgive me for being so prolix, but I had a lot to say.

Paul Levinson
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:49:20 
To: <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation to report
	abuse

Does answer a lot of questions about State Penn back in the 90's

The problem is that while they do not link pedophilia with homosexuality, those who are
confronted with pedophilia don't always understand the difference, and they don't want to
call down the "hammers of hell" response you get if you call attention to the activities.

JoPa had to suspect that Sandusky had certain leanings towards pedophilia or at least that
he was going both ways in his personal life. Sooner or later, a subordinate gives away his
feelings, and out on recruiting trips, there had to be some inkling of Sandusky's problem.

But you don't bring someone's personal life into a business arrangement unless it starts
to affect their performance. When all this started, Sandusky was a very well respected
defensive guru.

I'm not happy that all this has happened to a man who was considered one of the best
coaches back in the mid 90's. The assistant who witnessed the reported event was obviously
scared to report what he saw to anyone, because Sandusky had a tremendous reputation, and
so much power over the assistant coaches.

But what is worse is that this is going to rip up college football as every investigative
reporter in every Div I or II town starts to look under rocks, and, of course, there will
have to be new rules imposed to try to get people to enforce what is really good common
sense enforcement of existing laws relating to minors.

We boomers created and allowed an "anything goes" attitude in the 60's and 70's. And now
the Chickens are coming home to roost and it effects not our children, but our
grandchildren.

rsl


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:56 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation to report abuse

... And the Pa. State Police Commissioner is now saying the same thing. 

Spanier and Curley and Schultz may escape on narrow legalistic terms but their moral
culpability is blindingly obvious. 

Look at the time line here and ask yourself: why was Sandusky allowed to work with
children until 2008? Why did Sandusky not get the Maryland job in 1996? Why did Joe tell
Sandusky in 1999 he would be his (joe's) successor when in fact that seemed very possible?
Why did somebody at PSU who knew of the 1998, 2000 and 2002 incidents not call the real
cops? Why was Sandusky not thrown off campus and his office and keys taken away? 

Why didn't Penn State do the right thing??? And how many children's lives were devastated
as a result? 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
_______________________________________________
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nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov  7 19:55:55 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:55:55 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation to
	reportabuse
References: <111542097-1320702952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1192968624-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
 <001b01cc9d9f$7d6936f0$783ba4d0$@com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC01592C@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Roy wrote <snip>

We boomers created and allowed an "anything goes" attitude in the 60's and 70's. And now
the Chickens are coming home to roost and it effects not our children, but our
grandchildren.

===================
 
Pedophilia wasn't invented in the 60's.
 
It is a psychiatric disorder that can be traced back to antiquity.  
 
It is not the result of the "anything goes" attitudes of the 60's any more that it is the result to taking a vow of celibacy.  
 
There is no known cure.  Treatments are aimed at behavior modification and sometimes include chemical castration.  The bottom line is that people (mostly men) suffering from this condition can't control their urges to prey on children.  That's why the most effective prevention is keep pedophiles away from children.  That's also why it is imperitive to report any suspected cases of pedophilia immediately to the authorities.
 
The Sandusky case is a good example.  This guy was caught by adults in the act a number of times that we know of (and probably many more we don't know of), but continued to seek out vulnerable boys that he could victimize.  ANYONE who has even a passing familiarity with this condition knows that getting the authorities involved is the only reliable method to prevent further abuse.  Even if Sandusky was receiving treatment, his continued involvment with kids was a sure tipoff to anyone familiar with his condition that he was NOT under control.  That's why it is disturbing that PSU didn't notify the authorities.
 
Jeff

From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Nov  7 20:00:45 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:00:45 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation toreportabuse
References: <111542097-1320702952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1192968624-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>
 <001b01cc9d9f$7d6936f0$783ba4d0$@com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC01592C@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <57C10C95400245C0B3C7A451FDF260DD@dennismachine>

> Roy wrote <snip>
>
> We boomers created and allowed an "anything goes" attitude in the 60's and 
> 70's. And now
> the Chickens are coming home to roost and it effects not our children, but 
> our grandchildren.
>
Right on! 


From herms at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  7 20:07:37 2011
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:07:37 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation toreportabuse
In-Reply-To: <57C10C95400245C0B3C7A451FDF260DD@dennismachine>
References: <111542097-1320702952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1192968624-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>,
 <001b01cc9d9f$7d6936f0$783ba4d0$@com>,
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC01592C@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>,
 <57C10C95400245C0B3C7A451FDF260DD@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <SNT104-W3170755F3852FE1A84AE76AEDE0@phx.gbl>


As a Gen Xer (I think), I blame all of my problems on you boomers.



> From: tbng at comcast.net
> To: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com; rstetson at capps-assoc.com; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:00:45 -0500
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation toreportabuse
> 
> > Roy wrote <snip>
> >
> > We boomers created and allowed an "anything goes" attitude in the 60's and 
> > 70's. And now
> > the Chickens are coming home to roost and it effects not our children, but 
> > our grandchildren.
> >
> Right on! 
> 
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 20:10:25 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 02:10:25 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation toreportabuse
Message-ID: <1551261546-1320718228-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-614640657-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

The anything goes attitude generally refers to consenting adults. (Gay,out of wedlock,multiple partners,spouse swapping ,etc that all became acceptable to a lot of the baby boomers) 

Pedophelia is not about consenting adults

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Dennis W. Brandt
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: Beamsley, Jeff
To: Roy S. Lamberton
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: Dennis W. Brandt
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation toreportabuse
Sent: Nov 7, 2011 6:00 PM

> Roy wrote <snip>
>
> We boomers created and allowed an "anything goes" attitude in the 60's and 
> 70's. And now
> the Chickens are coming home to roost and it effects not our children, but 
> our grandchildren.
>
Right on! 

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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Mon Nov  7 20:18:25 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 21:18:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation to
	report	abuse
In-Reply-To: <1715600296-1320714284-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1886335250-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <111542097-1320702952-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1192968624-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry><001b01cc9d9f$7d6936f0$783ba4d0$@com>
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Message-ID: <8CE6BD3D4874643-28F0-109A30@webmail-d162.sysops.aol.com>

Paul and List Friends,


   Well put.  As a Pennsylvanian, I am greatly troubled by this situation and believe pedophilia is about criminal intent rather than sexual expression. About 8,9 years ago I was invited to a golf outing which sponsored Sandusky's 2nd Mile Foundation.   Business caused me to cancel and I was always upset to have missed that event, until now.  To think the Foundation that was created to help kids was a vehicle to further destroy them is disconcerting.


   Some would tell me I'm crass, but the calls to Urban Meyer, Les Miles and Nick Saban have already been made.  Meyer,  Miles or Saban, will be needed to clean up this mess.  This is going to get nasty.


   Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; nwu-sports-bounces <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 3:05 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation to report	abuse


Roy,

With all due respect, as a "Boomer" (and contemporary of yours at NU), neither 
you, nor I, nor the Hippies or Flower Children, created or condoned the 
conditions for pedophilia.  You can justifiably blame our generation for some 
bad things or praise us for some good things (such as helping to end segregation 
and America's involvement in the Vietnam War--although I am sure you wouldn't 
agree--and advancement of equal rights for women), but what Sandusky is accused 
of doing, no, that cannot be credibly laid at our collective feet, and no 
chickens are coming home to roost here.  Under your theory, are you also going 
to blame "Boomer" culture for the Catholic Priest Pedophile scandals?  Evil 
exploitation is what Sandusky's alleged actions were, if true, pure and simple, 
same as with the Priests.  

As for Sandusky's  alleged enablers and perjurers, Messrs. Curley and 
Schultz--what did we all learn from (resigned) President Nixon--the Cover-up is 
always worse than the crime?  That didn't come from the "Boomers"--in fact, 
those of us who always knew he couldn't be trusted were proven right when he was 
caught lying on the released tapes---and then had to confess to his stalwart 
allies--men of integrity such as Barry Goldwater--that he had duped them and 
misled them  all along.

I fervently hope that Joe Pa has some valid explanation for his very limited, 
superficially correct, but insufficient, response when he was made aware of the 
"cancer" (to use John Dean's famous Watergate phrase) within his ranks.  While 
Sandusky was no longer a Coach at that time, I don't think that gives Joe Pa a 
moral "out", even if it gives him a legal one.  This is so troubling I have a 
hard time processing it.  Would love to hear Fitz's take on all of this, given 
his virtual worship of Coach Paterno.  

Forgive me for being so prolix, but I had a lot to say.

Paul Levinson
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:49:20 
To: <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation to report
	abuse

Does answer a lot of questions about State Penn back in the 90's

The problem is that while they do not link pedophilia with homosexuality, those 
who are
confronted with pedophilia don't always understand the difference, and they 
don't want to
call down the "hammers of hell" response you get if you call attention to the 
activities.

JoPa had to suspect that Sandusky had certain leanings towards pedophilia or at 
least that
he was going both ways in his personal life. Sooner or later, a subordinate 
gives away his
feelings, and out on recruiting trips, there had to be some inkling of 
Sandusky's problem.

But you don't bring someone's personal life into a business arrangement unless 
it starts
to affect their performance. When all this started, Sandusky was a very well 
respected
defensive guru.

I'm not happy that all this has happened to a man who was considered one of the 
best
coaches back in the mid 90's. The assistant who witnessed the reported event was 
obviously
scared to report what he saw to anyone, because Sandusky had a tremendous 
reputation, and
so much power over the assistant coaches.

But what is worse is that this is going to rip up college football as every 
investigative
reporter in every Div I or II town starts to look under rocks, and, of course, 
there will
have to be new rules imposed to try to get people to enforce what is really good 
common
sense enforcement of existing laws relating to minors.

We boomers created and allowed an "anything goes" attitude in the 60's and 70's. 
And now
the Chickens are coming home to roost and it effects not our children, but our
grandchildren.

rsl


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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf 
Of
bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 4:56 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeff is right about a moral obligation to report abuse

... And the Pa. State Police Commissioner is now saying the same thing. 

Spanier and Curley and Schultz may escape on narrow legalistic terms but their 
moral
culpability is blindingly obvious. 

Look at the time line here and ask yourself: why was Sandusky allowed to work 
with
children until 2008? Why did Sandusky not get the Maryland job in 1996? Why did 
Joe tell
Sandusky in 1999 he would be his (joe's) successor when in fact that seemed very 
possible?
Why did somebody at PSU who knew of the 1998, 2000 and 2002 incidents not call 
the real
cops? Why was Sandusky not thrown off campus and his office and keys taken away? 


Why didn't Penn State do the right thing??? And how many children's lives were 
devastated
as a result? 

Brad Wilson
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Mon Nov  7 21:30:24 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:30:24 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Colter named Big Ten offensive player of the week
Message-ID: <CAN7senh3LJrPQ9F525qUfb6S97tVtH9gyYX6ofN4h4=U8bNusw@mail.gmail.com>

Read all about it:
http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/110711aab.html

Second week in a row for a Wildcat to win the award. Dunsmore won last week.

Go Cats!

From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov  7 22:31:22 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 22:31:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] highlights from Nebraska's Monday press conference
In-Reply-To: <001a01cc9d94$b4d26630$1e773290$@com>
Message-ID: <20111108043123.186DA64E29@romaine.tssi.com>

> You mean they thought we were stealing signs?
> 
> What do they think we're playing, baseball?

IMHO, it isn't really 'stealing' when the signals are completely visible
to everyone on the field and beyond.

I've wondered why it doesn't happen more often.  Concern over that is 
why they have two or more people flashing the signs, isn't it?  

And if they were just pretending to be stealing the signs by looking
over towards the Nebraska bench and then pointing around, that's clever!
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 01:09:52 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 23:09:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 11
Message-ID: <1320736192.58042.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hard to remember with all of the other disturbing news out of college football in the past few days, but we did have games this weekend - including a glorious upset in Lincoln (Remember the Alamo Bowl!) and a snoozer of a "Game of the Century" in Tuscaloosa that shenanigans are already in the works to see done again in the title game (even though they can't meet in the conference's own "title" game!). Great D? Sure! But also a sloppy game for the offenses and special teams. No thanks on a rematch. If we couldn't get OSU/Michigan in 2007, then we shouldn't get this one. The B(C)S sucks!


On to week 12, where we have a better lineup of games in Big Ten country than last week's slate and a pretty big matchup out west, where I am officially switching sides and cheering for the overrated Cardinal - hoping that they win their scorefest with the Quacks and go unbeaten, only to finish #3 behind B(C)S darling Alabama ... maybe THEN the Big Ten and Pac 12 will wise up and drop out of this sham of a system that's rigged for the SEC and Little XII (with the pseudo-conferences of the ACC and Big Least in on the joke) and go back to the REAL Rose Bowl and match up our leagues in more of the bowl games. Screw the cartel and screw the B(C)S!!!

So anyway, standings may have to wait until Friday (busy week at work) but picks due by kickoff Saturday ... there is a Thursday game involving top 20 teams, but they're ACC top 20 teams, so ... nah. GO CATS!!!

PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 11

#########################
Name:?

BIG TEN
=======GAME 1: Michigan @ IllinoisWINNER:?

GAME 2: Michigan State @ IowaWINNER:?

GAME 3: Wisconsin @ MinnesotaWINNER:?

GAME 4: Nebraska @ Penn StateWINNER:?

GAME 5: Ohio State @ PurdueWINNER:?

NATIONAL========GAME 6: Oregon @ Stanford
WINNER:?

GAME 7: Auburn @ GeorgiaWINNER:?

GAME 8: Florida @ South Carolina
WINNER:?

GAME 9: Miami (FL) @ Florida State
WINNER:?
GAME 10: TCU @ Boise State
WINNER:?
MY PICKS========GAME 1: MICHIGAN ... This could be a wild shootout like the game in Palo Alto, the Illini are rested but Michigan's angryGAME 2: MICHIGAN STATE ... I liked Iowa for the upset here last week, but I think they blew their upset on Michigan and Sparty smells Indy now
GAME 3: WISCONSIN ... Badgers desperately hoping the Huskers or Buckeyes can stomach the Smirk enough to help them out
GAME 4: PENN STATE ... A few days ago, I was sure JoePa would win his possible home finale in their march towards Indy ... now, it's 50/50 with the off-field woes
GAME 5: OHIO STATE ... Big game for both of these guys' bowl hopes ... Cats fans need a Bucks win to eliminate Boilers ... so Go ... Buc ... eh, can't say it!
GAME 6: OREGON ... The Cardinal D sucks ... so does Oregon's, but they'll suck one series less in this 63-56 shootout
GAME 7: GEORGIA ... Can the Dawgs do the impossible and beat LSU in the SEC title game and really mess up the B(C)S? Please UGa, PLEASE!!!
GAME 8: SOUTH CAROLINA ... Toss up with the injuries, but the Gamecocks continue to make Florida irrelevant to the college football world (whoda thunk!)
GAME 9: FLORIDA STATE ... Continuing that theme ... this game used to mean something ... a long time ago in a galaxy far far away
GAME 10: BOISE STATE ... This is the year to give the Broncos a shot ... but they need to beat TCU first and hope the B(C)S computers catch a virus
Picks due by Saturday kickoff!
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov  8 02:21:09 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 02:21:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] highlights from Nebraska's Monday press conference
In-Reply-To: <20111108043123.186DA64E29@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <20111108082109.EE568610C7@romaine.tssi.com>

The Big Ten Blog on ESPN also pick up on TM's comment.
--
Mike Nolan

> 
> > You mean they thought we were stealing signs?
> > 
> > What do they think we're playing, baseball?
> 
> IMHO, it isn't really 'stealing' when the signals are completely visible
> to everyone on the field and beyond.
> 
> I've wondered why it doesn't happen more often.  Concern over that is 
> why they have two or more people flashing the signs, isn't it?  
> 
> And if they were just pretending to be stealing the signs by looking
> over towards the Nebraska bench and then pointing around, that's clever!
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 09:44:00 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:44:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
Message-ID: <1320767040.29834.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left, depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never represent the university again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
?
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Nov  8 10:08:12 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:08:12 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <1320767040.29834.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320767040.29834.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03ED90@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there is the moral question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant saw and then said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.  JoePa appears to have followed PSU policy which was to immediately notify the AD.  The AD followed policy to notify the VP.  The AD and VP are now positioned to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do exactly what they are doing.  Limit the damage, cooperate with the authorities, blame the fall guys for bad judgment, pay for their defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them once they've served their time.  

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case this starts to reach beyond the existing indictments.  If it goes not further than these two, I would allow Joe to gracefully announce his retirement at a time in the not too distant future when it won't resurrect the whole scandal.  

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral compromises that it has required me to make and might start to plan my own retirement.  But that's just me.

Jeff
 



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left, depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never represent the university again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
?
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 
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From bbds5951 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 10:18:56 2011
From: bbds5951 at yahoo.com (Bill Bender)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:18:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03ED90@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <1320767040.29834.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03ED90@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <1320769136.91329.YahooMailNeo@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the worst scandal in the history of college football. 
?
Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when your AD is facing criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.
?
I think they should get the death penalty.
?
BB


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there is the moral question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant saw and then said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.? JoePa appears to have followed PSU policy which was to immediately notify the AD.? The AD followed policy to notify the VP.? The AD and VP are now positioned to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do exactly what they are doing.? Limit the damage, cooperate with the authorities, blame the fall guys for bad judgment, pay for their defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them once they've served their time.? 

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case this starts to reach beyond the existing indictments.? If it goes not further than these two, I would allow Joe to gracefully announce his retirement at a time in the not too distant future when it won't resurrect the whole scandal.? 

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral compromises that it has required me to make and might start to plan my own retirement.? But that's just me.

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left, depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never represent the university again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
?
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Nov  8 10:27:52 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:27:52 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <1320769136.91329.YahooMailNeo@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1320767040.29834.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>From the ESPN Big Ten Blog:

The NCAA on Monday issued the following statement from president Mark
Emmert to ESPN.com regarding the Penn State/Jerry Sandusky
situation<http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7203566/penn-state-nittany-lions-sex-abuse-case-officials-arraigned-police-seek-alleged-assault-victim>.


It reads:

"This is a criminal matter under investigation by law enforcement
authorities and I will not comment on details. However, I have read the
grand jury report and find the alleged assaults appalling. As a parent and
an educator, the notion that anyone would use a position of trust to prey
on children is despicable. My thoughts and concern goes out to the alleged
victims and their families."

--
This is obviously a matter for the courts as well as the school's board of
trustees (who have to report to the university community and the citizens
of the state).  The NCAA doesn't have jurisdiction over criminal matters,
and won't get involved here.  With the allegations out in the open, I think
there will be plenty of consequences for the PSU football program.


--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the
> worst scandal in the history of college football.
>
> Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when
> your AD is facing criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.
>
> I think they should get the death penalty.
>
> BB
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
> To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <
> nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
>
> Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there
> is the moral question.
>
> PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.
>
> There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant
> saw and then said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.  JoePa appears to have
> followed PSU policy which was to immediately notify the AD.  The AD
> followed policy to notify the VP.  The AD and VP are now positioned to take
> the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury appeared
> willing to accept that trade.
>
> So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do
> exactly what they are doing.  Limit the damage, cooperate with the
> authorities, blame the fall guys for bad judgment, pay for their defense,
> and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them once they've
> served their time.
>
> I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case
> this starts to reach beyond the existing indictments.  If it goes not
> further than these two, I would allow Joe to gracefully announce his
> retirement at a time in the not too distant future when it won't resurrect
> the whole scandal.
>
> Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral
> compromises that it has required me to make and might start to plan my own
> retirement.  But that's just me.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Leonard
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
> To: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
>
> If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or
> provost), what would you do today?
>
> Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
> Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
> Would you clean house between now and Saturday?
>
> This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are
> hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and
> can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno
> may have a a thin veil of protection left, depending on what he was told.
> However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never represent the
> university again, starting today.
>
> Jim
>
>
> PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never
> leave Happy Valley for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the
> off season.
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 10:43:47 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:43:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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I am not familiar with the NCAA regulations but I'm not sure this is a death penalty/ sports issue. The NCAA should be focused on the players going to class, not receiving money, etc. I could stand corrected, but I don't see the NCAA getting deeply involved. 
?
There are two separate issues at hand. One is legal and as Jeff pointed out the two fall guys have probably?been identified. The other issue is who?shall be?allowed to represent the school. When the alumni proudly chant, "WE ARE....PENN STATE" what ARE they really all about? I think the line has been blurred greatly in recent years but you don't need to be in legal trouble to be fired. Penn State can send a message to Joe Paterno that says "You may not go to jail, but you did not live up to our standards and you no longer represent us."
?
I personally would like to see about 50,000 empty seats in Beaver Stadium on Saturday. I'd like to see a message from PSU fans that "WE ARE.....BETTER THAN THIS"
?
Jim
?
?


________________________________
From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...


Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the worst scandal in the history of college football.  
? 
Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when your AD is facing criminal charges for covering up serial child rape. 
? 
I think they should get the death penalty. 
? 
BB 
 

________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there is the moral question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he
 said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant saw and then said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.? JoePa appears to have followed PSU policy which was to immediately notify the AD.? The AD followed policy to notify the VP.? The AD and VP are now positioned to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do exactly what they are doing.? Limit the damage, cooperate with the authorities, blame the fall guys for bad judgment, pay for their defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them once they've served their time.? 

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case this starts to reach beyond the existing indictments.? If it goes not further than these two, I would allow Joe to gracefully announce his retirement at a time in the not too
 distant future when it won't resurrect the whole scandal.? 

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral compromises that it has required me to make and might start to plan my own retirement.? But that's just me.

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary
 go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left, depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never represent the university again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
?
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov  8 10:58:18 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:58:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <1320770627.45306.YahooMailNeo@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111108165818.540D164E39@romaine.tssi.com>

> I am not familiar with the NCAA regulations but I'm not sure this is a death
> penalty/ sports issue. The NCAA should be focused on the players going to
> class, not receiving money, etc. I could stand corrected, but I don't see 
> the NCAA getting deeply involved. 

Moreover, in order for the NCAA 'death penalty' to apply, a school needs 
to already be on probation for a major violation, which Penn State is not.

As Ohio State found out, lying to the NCAA is a major violation, but
it is not clear whether Penn State has yet told the NCAA anything
about this, or even whether it should have under NCAA regulations.  

And as to whether Penn State President Graham Spanier should clean
house by firing Paterno (he tried to 'retire' JoePa a year or two ago,
so he could see this as his chance), it also isn't clear yet whether 
Spanier will escape criminal charges himself.  

The statements yesterday said that Joe Paterno is not a target of the 
investigation, but when asked about Spanier, the response was 
"This is still an open investigation."

Paterno is scheduled to meet with the press at around 12:20 PM (EST) today,
I suspect ESPN and others will carry it live.
--
Mike Nolan


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Nov  8 11:01:46 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:01:46 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <20111108165818.540D164E39@romaine.tssi.com>
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Spanier cancelled Paterno's press conference as well as Paterno's
appearance on the Big Ten coaches teleconference (both are standing weekly
events).  Previously, PSU announced that Paterno would only take comments
concerning this week's game.  Paterno's son, Scott, apparently reported
this morning that the elder Paterno was disappointed in the cancellation as
he was ready to address the questions that he would undoubtedly face
(apparently there were upwards of 150 media on site compared to the usual
20 or so).

It appears as though this is all stemming from Spanier.  Yahoo writer Dan
Wetzel's thoughts on Spanier from even before the press conference
cancellations:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-wetzel_penn_state_spanier_silent110711


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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > I am not familiar with the NCAA regulations but I'm not sure this is a
> death
> > penalty/ sports issue. The NCAA should be focused on the players going to
> > class, not receiving money, etc. I could stand corrected, but I don't see
> > the NCAA getting deeply involved.
>
> Moreover, in order for the NCAA 'death penalty' to apply, a school needs
> to already be on probation for a major violation, which Penn State is not.
>
> As Ohio State found out, lying to the NCAA is a major violation, but
> it is not clear whether Penn State has yet told the NCAA anything
> about this, or even whether it should have under NCAA regulations.
>
> And as to whether Penn State President Graham Spanier should clean
> house by firing Paterno (he tried to 'retire' JoePa a year or two ago,
> so he could see this as his chance), it also isn't clear yet whether
> Spanier will escape criminal charges himself.
>
> The statements yesterday said that Joe Paterno is not a target of the
> investigation, but when asked about Spanier, the response was
> "This is still an open investigation."
>
> Paterno is scheduled to meet with the press at around 12:20 PM (EST) today,
> I suspect ESPN and others will carry it live.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 11:05:29 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:05:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <20111108165818.540D164E39@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1320770627.45306.YahooMailNeo@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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They just cancelled the weekly press conference:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/penn-state-joe-paterno-press-conference-cancelled/1


I guess you can sort of understand that, given that he'd be wading into tricky legal territory by answering any questions.?

But, as one who fervently wishes there would be a way for Joe Pa to end up being blameless in this situation, it's a disappointing decision. I'd really like to see him face the questions and issues directly.

What a miserable situation all the way around.?

Tom


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Nov  8 11:10:38 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:10:38 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <1320770627.45306.YahooMailNeo@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320767040.29834.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Jim,

 

There is additional information coming out regarding the PSU President
Spanier.

 

He holds degrees (including one from NU) and is a professor of human
development and family studies, sociology, demography, and family and
community medicine.  According to his bio, he is a distinguished
researcher and scholar, has more than 100 scholarly publications,
including 10 books, and was the founding editor of the Journal of Family
Issues. He is also a family sociologist, demographer, and marriage and
family therapist.  So if anyone was familiar with the behavior of
pedophiles, the damage suffered by their victims, and the vigilance
communities must demonstrate to protect children from potential attack -
IT'S THIS GUY.    

 

He received a report on the 2002 incident.  Even if it said that this
was just some innocent grab ass rough housing in the shower, it was
between an adult man and a young boy.  Even a sanitized report should
have been all a trained professional like Spanier needed to pick up the
phone and call somebody, if nothing else than to make sure that there
wasn't more going on.  If he had conducted his own internal
investigation, it would probably have turned up the unreported 2000
incident that the janitors witnessed and the grand jury reported on.

 

I sincerely hope that there is more here to paint the whole institution
in a better light.  Otherwise this is very sad.

 

Jeff

 

From: Jim Leonard [mailto:jleonard518 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:44 AM
To: Bill Bender; Beamsley, Jeff; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

 

I am not familiar with the NCAA regulations but I'm not sure this is a
death penalty/ sports issue. The NCAA should be focused on the players
going to class, not receiving money, etc. I could stand corrected, but I
don't see the NCAA getting deeply involved. 

 

There are two separate issues at hand. One is legal and as Jeff pointed
out the two fall guys have probably been identified. The other issue is
who shall be allowed to represent the school. When the alumni proudly
chant, "WE ARE....PENN STATE" what ARE they really all about? I think
the line has been blurred greatly in recent years but you don't need to
be in legal trouble to be fired. Penn State can send a message to Joe
Paterno that says "You may not go to jail, but you did not live up to
our standards and you no longer represent us."

 

I personally would like to see about 50,000 empty seats in Beaver
Stadium on Saturday. I'd like to see a message from PSU fans that "WE
ARE.....BETTER THAN THIS"

 

Jim

 

 

 

From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Jim Leonard
<jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the
worst scandal in the history of college football. 

 

Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when
your AD is facing criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.

 

I think they should get the death penalty.

 

BB

 

From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats
<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and
there is the moral question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad
Assistant saw and then said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.  JoePa appears
to have followed PSU policy which was to immediately notify the AD.  The
AD followed policy to notify the VP.  The AD and VP are now positioned
to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury
appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do
exactly what they are doing.  Limit the damage, cooperate with the
authorities, blame the fall guys for bad judgment, pay for their
defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them once
they've served their time.  

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case
this starts to reach beyond the existing indictments.  If it goes not
further than these two, I would allow Joe to gracefully announce his
retirement at a time in the not too distant future when it won't
resurrect the whole scandal.  

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral
compromises that it has required me to make and might start to plan my
own retirement.  But that's just me.

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or
provost), what would you do today? 
 
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday?   
 
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are
hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and
can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe
Paterno may have a a thin veil of protection left, depending on what he
was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never
represent the university again, starting today. 
 
Jim
 
 
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never
leave Happy Valley for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during
the off season. 
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Nov  8 11:20:56 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:20:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EDAB@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <1320767040.29834.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>From the New York Times: " Joe
Paterno<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/joe_paterno/index.html?inline=nyt-per>?s
tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be over, perhaps
within days or weeks"

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/penn-state-said-to-be-planning-paternos-exit.html?_r=1&src=tp

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On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> Jim,
>
>
>
> There is additional information coming out regarding the PSU President
> Spanier.
>
>
>
> He holds degrees (including one from NU) and is a professor of human
> development and family studies, sociology, demography, and family and
> community medicine.  According to his bio, he is a distinguished
> researcher and scholar, has more than 100 scholarly publications,
> including 10 books, and was the founding editor of the Journal of Family
> Issues. He is also a family sociologist, demographer, and marriage and
> family therapist.  So if anyone was familiar with the behavior of
> pedophiles, the damage suffered by their victims, and the vigilance
> communities must demonstrate to protect children from potential attack -
> IT'S THIS GUY.
>
>
>
> He received a report on the 2002 incident.  Even if it said that this
> was just some innocent grab ass rough housing in the shower, it was
> between an adult man and a young boy.  Even a sanitized report should
> have been all a trained professional like Spanier needed to pick up the
> phone and call somebody, if nothing else than to make sure that there
> wasn't more going on.  If he had conducted his own internal
> investigation, it would probably have turned up the unreported 2000
> incident that the janitors witnessed and the grand jury reported on.
>
>
>
> I sincerely hope that there is more here to paint the whole institution
> in a better light.  Otherwise this is very sad.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> From: Jim Leonard [mailto:jleonard518 at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:44 AM
> To: Bill Bender; Beamsley, Jeff; Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
>
>
>
> I am not familiar with the NCAA regulations but I'm not sure this is a
> death penalty/ sports issue. The NCAA should be focused on the players
> going to class, not receiving money, etc. I could stand corrected, but I
> don't see the NCAA getting deeply involved.
>
>
>
> There are two separate issues at hand. One is legal and as Jeff pointed
> out the two fall guys have probably been identified. The other issue is
> who shall be allowed to represent the school. When the alumni proudly
> chant, "WE ARE....PENN STATE" what ARE they really all about? I think
> the line has been blurred greatly in recent years but you don't need to
> be in legal trouble to be fired. Penn State can send a message to Joe
> Paterno that says "You may not go to jail, but you did not live up to
> our standards and you no longer represent us."
>
>
>
> I personally would like to see about 50,000 empty seats in Beaver
> Stadium on Saturday. I'd like to see a message from PSU fans that "WE
> ARE.....BETTER THAN THIS"
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
> To: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Jim Leonard
> <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
>
> Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the
> worst scandal in the history of college football.
>
>
>
> Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when
> your AD is facing criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.
>
>
>
> I think they should get the death penalty.
>
>
>
> BB
>
>
>
> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
> To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats
> <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
>
> Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and
> there is the moral question.
>
> PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.
>
> There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad
> Assistant saw and then said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.  JoePa appears
> to have followed PSU policy which was to immediately notify the AD.  The
> AD followed policy to notify the VP.  The AD and VP are now positioned
> to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury
> appeared willing to accept that trade.
>
> So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do
> exactly what they are doing.  Limit the damage, cooperate with the
> authorities, blame the fall guys for bad judgment, pay for their
> defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them once
> they've served their time.
>
> I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case
> this starts to reach beyond the existing indictments.  If it goes not
> further than these two, I would allow Joe to gracefully announce his
> retirement at a time in the not too distant future when it won't
> resurrect the whole scandal.
>
> Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral
> compromises that it has required me to make and might start to plan my
> own retirement.  But that's just me.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
> To: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
>
> If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or
> provost), what would you do today?
>
> Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
> Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
> Would you clean house between now and Saturday?
>
> This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are
> hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and
> can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe
> Paterno may have a a thin veil of protection left, depending on what he
> was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never
> represent the university again, starting today.
>
> Jim
>
>
> PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never
> leave Happy Valley for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during
> the off season.
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 11:23:07 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:23:07 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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Nyt says Paterno will be gone in a few weeks

I do not downplay the potential damage to those young kids who may have been victims but I'm not convinced this is the worst scandal ever in college sports. Players may have died because of ineptitude or coaches push to win at all cost. 

We likely paid $15 million (or our insurance company) for the death of Wallace. Not sure about our negligence, but it wasn't good

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:18:56 
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Reply-To: Bill Bender <wbender1247 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the worst scandal in the history of college football. 
?
Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when your AD is facing criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.
?
I think they should get the death penalty.
?
BB


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there is the moral question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant saw and then said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.? JoePa appears to have followed PSU policy which was to immediately notify the AD.? The AD followed policy to notify the VP.? The AD and VP are now positioned to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do exactly what they are doing.? Limit the damage, cooperate with the authorities, blame the fall guys for bad judgment, pay for their defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them once they've served their time.? 

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case this starts to reach beyond the existing indictments.? If it goes not further than these two, I would allow Joe to gracefully announce his retirement at a time in the not too distant future when it won't resurrect the whole scandal.? 

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral compromises that it has required me to make and might start to plan my own retirement.? But that's just me.

Jeff




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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left, depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never represent the university again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
?
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 11:25:17 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:25:17 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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I should clarify my e mail that some players (I'm not including Wallace) may have died because coaches didn't pull them out of games with an injury because of win at all cost attitude
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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:23:07 
To: Bill Bender<wbender1247 at earthlink.net>; Beamsley, Jeff<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Jim Leonard<jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Nyt says Paterno will be gone in a few weeks

I do not downplay the potential damage to those young kids who may have been victims but I'm not convinced this is the worst scandal ever in college sports. Players may have died because of ineptitude or coaches push to win at all cost. 

We likely paid $15 million (or our insurance company) for the death of Wallace. Not sure about our negligence, but it wasn't good

Harry
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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:18:56 
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Reply-To: Bill Bender <wbender1247 at earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the worst scandal in the history of college football. 
?
Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when your AD is facing criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.
?
I think they should get the death penalty.
?
BB


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there is the moral question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant saw and then said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.? JoePa appears to have followed PSU policy which was to immediately notify the AD.? The AD followed policy to notify the VP.? The AD and VP are now positioned to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do exactly what they are doing.? Limit the damage, cooperate with the authorities, blame the fall guys for bad judgment, pay for their defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them once they've served their time.? 

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case this starts to reach beyond the existing indictments.? If it goes not further than these two, I would allow Joe to gracefully announce his retirement at a time in the not too distant future when it won't resurrect the whole scandal.? 

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral compromises that it has required me to make and might start to plan my own retirement.? But that's just me.

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left, depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never represent the university again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
?
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov  8 11:27:26 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:27:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <1320771929.73717.YahooMailNeo@web161020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111108172726.694896485A@romaine.tssi.com>

I doubt it was Paterno's decision to cancel it, ESPN says announcement 
came from Graham Spanier's office.

At least one writer notes that Spanier is conspicuously and unusually 
absent from the media.

It also appears that Sandusky, supposedly banned from campus, still had
access to the weight room on campus as recently as last week, and
was on campus working out.  

Several Pennsylvania papers have already called for both Graham Spanier
and Joe Paterno's resignation, which would leave all of Penn State, not 
just its athletic programs, in shambles.

(I'm no fan of Spanier, I thought his years in Lincoln as the Chancellor
of the University of Nebraska-Lincoln were not good ones for UNL,
and he couldn't wait to get out of town to a higher profile job,
President of Penn State.)

At least one person Penn State has been recruiting has tweeted that
he may go somewhere else.  
--
Mike Nolan


From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 11:29:49 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:29:49 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Fwd: News Alert: Penn State Said to Be Planning
	Paterno's Exit
References: <4eb96405.0175dc0a.272f.ffffd935SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <-7110713850351790270@unknownmsgid>

FYI

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

*From:* NYTimes.com News Alert <nytdirect at nytimes.com>
*Date:* November 8, 2011 9:16:52 AM PST
*To:* alan.abrahamson at gmail.com
*Subject:* *News Alert: Penn State Said to Be Planning Paterno's Exit*
*Reply-To:* nytdirect at nytimes.com

Breaking News Alert
The New York Times
Tuesday, November 8, 2011 -- 12:10 PM EST
-----

Penn State Said to Be Planning Paterno?s Exit

Joe Paterno?s tenure as coach of the Penn State football team will soon be
over, perhaps within days or weeks, in the wake of a sex-abuse scandal that
has implicated university officials, according to two people briefed on
conversations among the university?s top officials.

The board of trustees has yet to determine the precise timing of Paterno?s
exit, but it is clear that the man who has more victories than any other
coach at college football?s top level and who made Penn State a prestigious
brand will not survive to coach another season. Discussions about how to
manage his departure have begun, according to the two people.

Read More:
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 11:33:26 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:33:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <1320769136.91329.YahooMailNeo@web160302.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1320767040.29834.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>> Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the worst scandal in the history of college football. 

I'm not trying to minimize these sad and sickening actions at all ... but worst in the history of college football??? Really?
?
First off, this isn't really a college football scandal - so the NCAA really doesn't have jurisdiction or any power (as if they have any to begin with) ... it's a legal and moral problem for the school and Joe Paterno, but there won't be any sanctions or NCAA penalty. Since the allegation first came to Paterno after Sandusky was retired from coaching (granted he still had use of team facilities) and did not involve PSU players, there's not really any direct tie to the university.
?
This is a much larger problem for PSU because it is the breakdown of trust in an institution - much like the pedophilia scandals of the Catholic church a few years back. And PSU and JoePa are institutions that have now had their trustworthiness shattered.
?
But then again, not many higher-ups in the Catholic church paid a price for that scandal ... and on a more recent front, look at the adoration showered on Michael Jackson in the past year or so despite his charges. So maybe we're caught up in the moment and this will die down. Hopefully not, because in all these cases there are real victims with real pain that won't go away.
?
So legally? JoePa appears to be in the clear. And NCAA wise? No problem.
The big issue is a moral/trust one for JoePa and this will undoubtedly stain him in the eyes of most.
?
Personally, I'm reserving judgement until we get more of the story -- from what's out so far, it looks like he reported it and maybe wasn't told of everything (and I can see how even reporting it would be tough for him about a man he probably considered one of his closest friends ... so I can understand why he didn't want to believe it, but I'm sure he talked with Sandusky about the charges after the report) ... but you still would hope that a person like the persona we see of JoePa would make sure this got taken care of by the authorities?back in 2002. But we'll see what else comes out. Regardless, the higher-ups at PSU appear to be in much more trouble legally, so I doubt anyone will be forcing JoePa out.
?
It's a mess any way you look at it and a serious tragedy for these young boys who were abused. But it's also a media storm right now where you need to be careful not to get caught up in the hoopla and feeding frenzy.
?
And as for the point about the worst scandal in college football ... I don't see it as a college football scandal. I see it as a scandal involving someone who coaches college football. In terms of college football scandals, I see the ones with institutions/coaches/boosters/etc. contributing to the corruption of players as just as serious and worse for "college football" as a whole -- whether it's allowing them to get away with assaults or abuse to others on campus/girlfriends ... or showering them with cash/drugs/cars/strippers/etc. ... or academic dishonesty, etc.

It's not the moral/legal equivalent of what's happening at PSU - but those are worse scandals for college football and the corruption of the game and the teenagers who play it by people in authority is evil and wrong in its own way.
?
Go Cats!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


________________________________
From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

?
Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when your AD is facing criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.
?
I think they should get the death penalty.
?
BB


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there is the moral question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant saw and then said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.? JoePa appears to have followed PSU policy which was to immediately notify the AD.? The AD followed policy to notify the VP.? The AD and VP are now positioned to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do exactly what they are doing.? Limit the damage, cooperate with the authorities, blame the fall guys for bad judgment, pay for their defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them once they've served their time.? 

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case this starts to reach beyond the existing indictments.? If it goes not further than these two, I would allow Joe to gracefully announce his retirement at a time in the not too distant future when it won't resurrect the whole scandal.? 

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral compromises that it has required me to make and might start to plan my own retirement.? But that's just me.

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left, depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never represent the university again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
?
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 11:35:26 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:35:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <20111108172726.694896485A@romaine.tssi.com>
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I don't see how Spanier plans to survive this.
?
But then again, nothing has happened to the higher-ups at Ohio State, Miami (in the recent round of scandals), USC, Auburn, FSU, etc. etc. etc.
?
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: tkmaycock at yahoo.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

I doubt it was Paterno's decision to cancel it, ESPN says announcement 
came from Graham Spanier's office.

At least one writer notes that Spanier is conspicuously and unusually 
absent from the media.

It also appears that Sandusky, supposedly banned from campus, still had
access to the weight room on campus as recently as last week, and
was on campus working out.? 

Several Pennsylvania papers have already called for both Graham Spanier
and Joe Paterno's resignation, which would leave all of Penn State, not 
just its athletic programs, in shambles.

(I'm no fan of Spanier, I thought his years in Lincoln as the Chancellor
of the University of Nebraska-Lincoln were not good ones for UNL,
and he couldn't wait to get out of town to a higher profile job,
President of Penn State.)

At least one person Penn State has been recruiting has tweeted that
he may go somewhere else.? 
--
Mike Nolan

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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 11:41:07 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:41:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer
Message-ID: <8CE6C54BACA452C-8B8-14953@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com>


Don't know how many of you on the List saw this the other day, but our Mens Soccer Team clinched the Big Ten Championship--the first in the history of the program:  http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/110511aaa.html

They will be the top-seed for the BT Mens Soccer Tournament, which starts tomorrow in Ann Arbor.

Go 'Cats!

Paul Levinson

From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov  8 11:58:00 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:58:00 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer
In-Reply-To: <8CE6C54BACA452C-8B8-14953@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111108175800.18ABC64E46@romaine.tssi.com>

> Don't know how many of you on the List saw this the other day, but our Mens Soccer Team clinched the Big Ten Championship--the first in the history of the program:  http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/110511aaa.html
> 
> They will be the top-seed for the BT Mens Soccer Tournament, which starts tomorrow in Ann Arbor.

When did we get an official men's soccer team? 

I think it wasn't even a club sport when I was a student.
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 12:02:48 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:02:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <20111108172726.694896485A@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111108172726.694896485A@romaine.tssi.com>
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Who would want him (Spanier) at this point?


It 





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Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:27 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...


I doubt it was Paterno's decision to cancel it, ESPN says announcement 
ame from Graham Spanier's office.
At least one writer notes that Spanier is conspicuously and unusually 
bsent from the media.
It also appears that Sandusky, supposedly banned from campus, still had
ccess to the weight room on campus as recently as last week, and
as on campus working out.  
Several Pennsylvania papers have already called for both Graham Spanier
nd Joe Paterno's resignation, which would leave all of Penn State, not 
ust its athletic programs, in shambles.
(I'm no fan of Spanier, I thought his years in Lincoln as the Chancellor
f the University of Nebraska-Lincoln were not good ones for UNL,
nd he couldn't wait to get out of town to a higher profile job,
resident of Penn State.)
At least one person Penn State has been recruiting has tweeted that
e may go somewhere else.  
-
ike Nolan
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov  8 12:03:29 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:03:29 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <1320773726.77989.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111108180329.B6DB264E62@romaine.tssi.com>

> I don't see how Spanier plans to survive this.

Me, either.

> But then again, nothng has happened to the higher-ups at Ohio State, 
> Miami (in the recent round of scandals), USC, Auburn, FSU, etc. etc. etc.

But how many of those higher-ups were involved in covering up alleged
criminal activities?  

Someone just suggested to me on the phone that Penn State may become a
proxy for all the Catholic Church officials who never got punished
for the many pedophilia scandals within the Church.
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 12:06:17 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:06:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer
In-Reply-To: <20111108175800.18ABC64E46@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111108175800.18ABC64E46@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <8CE6C583EA9249E-8B8-14E3C@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com>

Don't know when--but we have been good for several years now.  Remember, a few years back, when we lost in the NCAA Quarterfinals to UC Santa Barbara?  I listened to that game on WNUR.com.



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To: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 12:58 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer


> Don't know how many of you on the List saw this the other day, but our Mens 
occer Team clinched the Big Ten Championship--the first in the history of the 
rogram:  http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/110511aaa.html
 
 They will be the top-seed for the BT Mens Soccer Tournament, which starts 
omorrow in Ann Arbor.
When did we get an official men's soccer team? 
I think it wasn't even a club sport when I was a student.
-
ike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov  8 12:06:54 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:06:54 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer
In-Reply-To: <8CE6C54BACA452C-8B8-14953@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE6C54BACA452C-8B8-14953@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <004d01cc9e41$3384dd30$9a8e9790$@com>

That was why I posted "Today God is a Wildcat" on Facebook Saturday night.

Ain't life grand in Wildcat Land.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
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------------------------------------------------
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from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41 PM
To: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer


Don't know how many of you on the List saw this the other day, but our Mens Soccer Team
clinched the Big Ten Championship--the first in the history of the program:
http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/110511aaa.html

They will be the top-seed for the BT Mens Soccer Tournament, which starts tomorrow in Ann
Arbor.

Go 'Cats!

Paul Levinson
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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 12:10:49 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:10:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer
In-Reply-To: <20111108100203.62703959@resin12.mta.everyone.net>
References: <20111108100203.62703959@resin12.mta.everyone.net>
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Believe me, I am enjoying getting caught up in the upset over Nebraska.  By the way, in yesterday's NY POST, Lenn Robbins, their College FB (and Hoops) Beat Writer, "ranked" NU No. 25 in his Top Ten list.  Every week he picks as No. 25 a team which upset a top-ranked team.  I gave a happy fist-pump when I saw our "ranking".:-)  I actually went looking for it, hoping we would be "selected".



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To: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer



Thanks Paul...too much distraction/excitement over the NU-NU football "event".  
 
I know the men's soccer team has done well in past and has had numerous NCAA appearances the past 5-6 years - hopefully they can ride this wave and make a deep dive into the NCAA tournament (excuse the mixed metaphors).

Go 'Cats!
 


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--- neonrye at aol.com wrote:

From: neonrye at aol.com
To: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:41:07 -0500 (EST)


Don't know how many of you on the List saw this the other day, but our Mens Soccer Team clinched the Big Ten Championship--the first in the history of the program:  http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/110511aaa.html

They will be the top-seed for the BT Mens Soccer Tournament, which starts tomorrow in Ann Arbor.

Go 'Cats!

Paul Levinson
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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 12:21:35 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:21:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer
In-Reply-To: <004d01cc9e41$3384dd30$9a8e9790$@com>
References: <8CE6C54BACA452C-8B8-14953@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com>
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Absolutely, Roy.  

By the way, I want to respond (briefly) to something Dennis said the other day.  He was discussing how he wanted to see NU go for the National Championship and beat Ohio State, etc.  Well, I was thinking about it, in light of the Penn State quagmire (and that's putting it euphemistically).  I have a different take.  If going for the BCS Championship, or beating OSU (as much as I would love that), means we have to be institutionally corrupt in our Athletic Dept like the Buckeyes and (former) Coach Sweater Vest, or morally "blind" like what we are seeing come out of (not so) Happy Valley, then I'll stick with simply being very satisfied with a "November to Remember", a 7-5 record, a minor bowl (with a win, I hope), a sterling graduation rate, avoidance of past scandals (such as the 1994 "Betting" mess), and the transitory joy each year or so of  beating a Nebraska or a Michigan as an upset, or going down to the wire with an Auburn in Tampa.  Our school has a wonderful reputation, and my late father always taught me, once you lose your reputation for integrity, you can never get it back.  It's not worth even putting a risk for a few more wins on the gridiron.  And I am confident that everyone on this List would agree.  I think in Fitz, in Jim Phillips, and in Morty Schapiro we have a team that would NEVER have permitted what we are seeing now in State College.  For that I am very thankful--much more thankful than I was at about 7 p.m. E.D.T. Saturday evening when the clock ran out on the Huskers.  When we chant "Go U NU", it means something good, very, very good.  Now, when those at Beaver Stadium chant "We Are Penn State", they probably don't know whether to laugh, cry, or transfer (if they are students).

Paul Levinson 



-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 8, 2011 1:06 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer


That was why I posted "Today God is a Wildcat" on Facebook Saturday night.
Ain't life grand in Wildcat Land.
rsl
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omputer Applications & Support Associates
oach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
eather in Seaford: 
ttp://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
irector Media Relations - Little League 
 Senior League Softball World Series
TR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
orthwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
hi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
ublisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
===============================================
pinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
hose of any organizations of which I am a member.
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he democracy will cease to exist when you take away
rom those who are willing to work and give it to 
hose who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
 don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
 prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
f we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
ell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
=========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

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f
eonrye at aol.com
ent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:41 PM
o: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com
ubject: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer

on't know how many of you on the List saw this the other day, but our Mens 
occer Team
linched the Big Ten Championship--the first in the history of the program:
ttp://www.bigten.org/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/110511aaa.html
They will be the top-seed for the BT Mens Soccer Tournament, which starts 
omorrow in Ann
rbor.
Go 'Cats!
Paul Levinson
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov  8 12:22:39 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:22:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Some actual football news
Message-ID: <20111108182239.5E97664DDA@romaine.tssi.com>

According to Fitz, Persa is 'day-to-day' but Persa told Fitz he 
plans to play against Rice on Saturday.

I assume Peters will be able to play with a cast on his broken hand,
since he continued o play after the injury on Saturday with a cast
on.  
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov  8 12:22:16 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:22:16 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <1320773606.29409.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1320767040.29834.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03ED90@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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 <1320773606.29409.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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I think what disturbs me about the entire Penn State scandal is that, like the Roman
Catholic Church, now we will have hundreds more charges from other athletic programs.

Remember that NU had the video taping of the Wrestling Locker room a few years back. NU
took immediate corrective action so it quickly died. 

Paul Levinson reminded me last night that it wasn't the actual crime that finished Richard
Nixon, it was the attempt to cover up the campaign's participation in the crime that led
to all of the jail time, and humiliation. Penn State is going to pay a serious price for
trying to protect the reputation of the school and football team.

Now, to JoPa's defense, he was told that someone had broken the law in his facility. It
was really the job of the TA to report that to the University higher-ups since Paterno had
only heard about the crime. Many, many careers and reputations have been destroyed by
someone saying that they had heard about someone else doing something wrong, but if you
never witnessed the act, you 1. Shouldn't pass it on, and 2. Comment on it. Isn't that
what hearsay is about?

Mr. McQueary should have dropped the dime on Sandusky right then, but I'm sure he was in
fear of losing his job. 

My wife's elementary school saw one of their support staff person's life ruined because of
a self inflicted act that led to the man's arrest on child endangerment. The child made a
false allegation that this man had done something that everyone on the hall knew was
impossible but he was till arrested and jailed. A year later, the charges were dropped,
but of course, he had lost his job, home and family.

I'm afraid after this week, all of college football will be affected. I've lived with a
teacher for 30+ years and know you are never one-on-one with a student. I'd guess that
kind of rule will now come into play in college athletics.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT
(Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:33 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

>> Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the worst scandal in
the history of college football. 

I'm not trying to minimize these sad and sickening actions at all ... but worst in the
history of college football??? Really?
?
First off, this isn't really a college football scandal - so the NCAA really doesn't have
jurisdiction or any power (as if they have any to begin with) ... it's a legal and moral
problem for the school and Joe Paterno, but there won't be any sanctions or NCAA penalty.
Since the allegation first came to Paterno after Sandusky was retired from coaching
(granted he still had use of team facilities) and did not involve PSU players, there's not
really any direct tie to the university.
?
This is a much larger problem for PSU because it is the breakdown of trust in an
institution - much like the pedophilia scandals of the Catholic church a few years back.
And PSU and JoePa are institutions that have now had their trustworthiness shattered.

?
But then again, not many higher-ups in the Catholic church paid a price for that scandal
... and on a more recent front, look at the adoration showered on Michael Jackson in the
past year or so despite his charges. So maybe we're caught up in the moment and this will
die down. Hopefully not, because in all these cases there are real victims with real pain
that won't go away.
?
So legally? JoePa appears to be in the clear. And NCAA wise? No problem.
The big issue is a moral/trust one for JoePa and this will undoubtedly stain him in the
eyes of most.
?
Personally, I'm reserving judgement until we get more of the story -- from what's out so
far, it looks like he reported it and maybe wasn't told of everything (and I can see how
even reporting it would be tough for him about a man he probably considered one of his
closest friends ... so I can understand why he didn't want to believe it, but I'm sure he
talked with Sandusky about the charges after the report) ... but you still would hope that
a person like the persona we see of JoePa would make sure this got taken care of by the
authorities?back in 2002. But we'll see what else comes out. Regardless, the higher-ups at
PSU appear to be in much more trouble legally, so I doubt anyone will be forcing JoePa
out.
?
It's a mess any way you look at it and a serious tragedy for these young boys who were
abused. But it's also a media storm right now where you need to be careful not to get
caught up in the hoopla and feeding frenzy.
?
And as for the point about the worst scandal in college football ... I don't see it as a
college football scandal. I see it as a scandal involving someone who coaches college
football. In terms of college football scandals, I see the ones with
institutions/coaches/boosters/etc. contributing to the corruption of players as just as
serious and worse for "college football" as a whole -- whether it's allowing them to get
away with assaults or abuse to others on campus/girlfriends ... or showering them with
cash/drugs/cars/strippers/etc. ... or academic dishonesty, etc.

It's not the moral/legal equivalent of what's happening at PSU - but those are worse
scandals for college football and the corruption of the game and the teenagers who play it
by people in authority is evil and wrong in its own way.
?
Go Cats!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


________________________________
From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>;
Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

?
Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when your AD is facing
criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.
?
I think they should get the death penalty.
?
BB


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there is the moral
question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant saw and then
said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.? JoePa appears to have followed PSU policy which was to
immediately notify the AD.? The AD followed policy to notify the VP.? The AD and VP are
now positioned to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury
appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do exactly what they
are doing.? Limit the damage, cooperate with the authorities, blame the fall guys for bad
judgment, pay for their defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them
once they've served their time.? 

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case this starts to
reach beyond the existing indictments.? If it goes not further than these two, I would
allow Joe to gracefully announce his retirement at a time in the not too distant future
when it won't resurrect the whole scandal.? 

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral compromises that it has
required me to make and might start to plan my own retirement.? But that's just me.

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what
would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope
that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at
least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left,
depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never
represent the university again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
?
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley
for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Nov  8 12:42:41 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:42:41 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Some actual football news
In-Reply-To: <20111108182239.5E97664DDA@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111108182239.5E97664DDA@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu7w9jWf=UJqu5pnhJAmfEHufWEHgWgQhvjSkzHKn6+WxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Also, according to NU's Scout reporter, Persa was full-go in practice on
Tuesday and looked good.  Other injury news from Monday included that
Jeravin Matthews should be fine and Jack Konopka suffered a bone bruise
which should bode well (initially looked like knee issue).

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
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Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> According to Fitz, Persa is 'day-to-day' but Persa told Fitz he
> plans to play against Rice on Saturday.
>
> I assume Peters will be able to play with a cast on his broken hand,
> since he continued o play after the injury on Saturday with a cast
> on.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov  8 12:42:39 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:42:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If Jo Pa goes....
Message-ID: <000601cc9e46$326dfcb0$9749f610$@com>

Will the new powers at Penn State make a run at Fitz?

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Nov  8 12:46:37 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 10:46:37 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] If Jo Pa goes....
In-Reply-To: <000601cc9e46$326dfcb0$9749f610$@com>
References: <000601cc9e46$326dfcb0$9749f610$@com>
Message-ID: <CAN7senhHTXSr55qO5OpmmFpvRA5mmSKOqff2hdWOW4Fnd96_mQ@mail.gmail.com>

Famous last words:

Don't know that it much matters.

1. Fitz now has a long-term deal in place in Evanston along with the
support of his athletic director and president.

2. The situation at Penn State may well be toxic for a long time. Would you
want to be in charge there? Seriously?





On Tue, Nov 8, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> Will the new powers at Penn State make a run at Fitz?
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> Weather in Seaford:
> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ================================================
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
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> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Nov  8 12:53:40 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 18:53:40 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer
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I agree with Paul and have expressed similar sentiments in the past. Its easy to say you can do both ala Stanford this year, but those instances are few and far between

My late father graduated first in his class in Chemistry from Ohio State and always claimed he got a great education there in the 30's but would always complain that the first thing anybody ever mentioned to him when hearing where he went to school was football. He hated that even though he rooted for them (except in the 1995 game against Michigan !). He always praised NU's approach even as we got clocked in the 70's

Harry
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer


Absolutely, Roy.  

By the way, I want to respond (briefly) to something Dennis said the other day.  He was discussing how he wanted to see NU go for the National Championship and beat Ohio State, etc.  Well, I was thinking about it, in light of the Penn State quagmire (and that's putting it euphemistically).  I have a different take.  If going for the BCS Championship, or beating OSU (as much as I would love that), means we have to be institutionally corrupt in our Athletic Dept like the Buckeyes and (former) Coach Sweater Vest, or morally "blind" like what we are seeing come out of (not so) Happy Valley, then I'll stick with simply being very satisfied with a "November to Remember", a 7-5 record, a minor bowl (with a win, I hope), a sterling graduation rate, avoidance of past scandals (such as the 1994 "Betting" mess), and the transitory joy each year or so of  beating a Nebraska or a Michigan as an upset, or going down to the wire with an Auburn in Tampa.  Our school has a wonderful reputatio
 n, and my late father always taught me, once you lose your reputation for integrity, you can never get it back.  It's not worth even putting a risk for a few more wins on the gridiron.  And I am confident that everyone on this List would agree.  I think in Fitz, in Jim Phillips, and in Morty Schapiro we have a team that would NEVER have permitted what we are seeing now in State College.  For that I am very thankful--much more thankful than I was at about 7 p.m. E.D.T. Saturday evening when the clock ran out on the Huskers.  When we chant "Go U NU", it means something good, very, very good.  Now, when those at Beaver Stadium chant "We Are Penn State", they probably don't know whether to laugh, cry, or transfer (if they are students).

Paul Levinson 



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That was why I posted "Today God is a Wildcat" on Facebook Saturday night.
Ain't life grand in Wildcat Land.
rsl
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rom those who are willing to work and give it to 
hose who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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ell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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ubject: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer

on't know how many of you on the List saw this the other day, but our Mens 
occer Team
linched the Big Ten Championship--the first in the history of the program:
ttp://www.bigten.org/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/110511aaa.html
They will be the top-seed for the BT Mens Soccer Tournament, which starts 
omorrow in Ann
rbor.
Go 'Cats!
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov  8 13:05:33 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:05:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer
In-Reply-To: <8CE6C58E0F206AB-8B8-14F42@angweb-usm004.sysops.aol.com>
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> Believe me, I am enjoying getting caught up in the upset over Nebraska.  By the way, in yesterday's NY POST, Lenn Robbins, their College FB (and Hoops) Beat Writer, "ranked" NU No. 25 in his Top Ten list.  Every week he picks as No. 25 a team which upset a top-ranked team.  I gave a happy fist-pump when I saw our "ranking".:-)  I actually went looking for it, hoping we would be "selected".

Back in the days when Brent was doing the NFL pre-game show, he usually
reserved 5th place in his personal Top 10 poll for a team that pulled off
a big upset.  

I had a friend from Tennessee call me yesterday to congratulate me on
Northwestern's great victory and console me on Nebraska's crushing defeat.

I told him:  I may wear red, but I bleed purple!

Anyway, I plan to use the purple and red shirt that my wife made again,
possibly even on days when Nebraska and Northwestern aren't playing each
other.

It looks like this week's games and next week's games for NU and UNL
will all be in the 11AM time slot, which makes watching them both 
difficult.  But at least the final week's games aren't on the same day.

:sigh:
--
Mike Nolan


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 13:06:36 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:06:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If Jo Pa goes....
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I'm going to sacrifice a chicken this evening just in case. 
?
Rule #1 to replacing a legend is to get an interim guy for 3-4 years and then go after the new face of the program. I think Penn State needs someone (Tom Bradley or Ron Vanderlinden if anyone survives) to run out the clock on the last of the players Paterno recruited. Then, when the direct ties to the legend are gone you spend the big bucks for the new person. That is when I will seriously worry about Fitz.
?
Jim
?


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From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: 'Northwestern Wildcats' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 12:42 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] If Jo Pa goes....

Will the new powers at Penn State make a run at Fitz?

rsl

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? Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov  8 13:28:36 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:28:36 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If Jo Pa goes....
In-Reply-To: <1320779196.20217.YahooMailNeo@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111108192836.3866D64E4E@romaine.tssi.com>

> Rule #1 to replacing a legend is to get an interim guy for 3-4 years and th=
> en go after the new face of the program. I think Penn State needs someone (=
> Tom Bradley or Ron Vanderlinden if anyone survives) to run out the clock on=
>  the last of the players Paterno recruited. Then, when the direct ties to t=
> he legend are gone you spend the big bucks for the new person. That is when=
>  I will seriously worry about Fitz.

If history is any judge, you usually don't want to be the person replacing 
the legend, and CERTAINLY not the caretaker/interim coach, even for multiple
seasons.

You want to be the guy to replace the successor, or the one after that.

The Devaney to Osborne successions are rare.  (And as Nebraska fans
know, Osborne's first 20 seasons were far less successful than his final
five seasons, with several calls by the fans and media for his dismissal.)

I don't think Frank Solich had a fair shot at succeeding Osborne,
for a variety of reasons, including a change in AD to someone who
apparently had Frank in his gunsights from day 1 on.  I try not to
remember the name of the yahoo who followed Frank, but so far Bo
appears to be on track to keep the Huskers in the top 25 most seasons,
though it remains to be seen if that's good enough. 

How many head coaches did Alabama go through before they found a 
consistent winner?  Ditto with Texas, Oklahoma, USC, UCLA, etc.  

The first season for Jimbo Fischer at Florida State was good, though
they're not having that great a season this year, so it's too early
to tell if he'll be successful long term.
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Nov  8 14:26:06 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:26:06 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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I ran the coaching organization for our local soccer association for ten years.

Before any coach could take the field with their team, they had to go through my clinic and pass a thorough background check.  It didn't matter what certification or experience they had.  If they weren't at the clinic, they didn't coach and they didn't come in contact with any kids until the background check cleared.

At the clinic, besides the basics of coaching, I gave them the rules about handling kids.

Rule #1 was that you are NEVER alone with somebody else's kid.  Your assistant can't leave until all of the kids have been picked up.  If the parent doesn't show up, you have to call the emergency contact and make arrangements for them to pick up the kid.  If that didn't work, call me, and my wife and I would pick up the kid, take them to our house and the parent could pick them up from there.  I never had a parent come to pick their kid up from my house more than once.  

Fortunately we never had an incident, but it's only because we were lucky and paying attention.
 
Jeff  

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From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S. Lamberton
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 1:22 PM
To: 'SjT (Stephen J. Truog)'; 'Northwestern Wildcats'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

I think what disturbs me about the entire Penn State scandal is that, like the Roman
Catholic Church, now we will have hundreds more charges from other athletic programs.

Remember that NU had the video taping of the Wrestling Locker room a few years back. NU
took immediate corrective action so it quickly died. 

Paul Levinson reminded me last night that it wasn't the actual crime that finished Richard
Nixon, it was the attempt to cover up the campaign's participation in the crime that led
to all of the jail time, and humiliation. Penn State is going to pay a serious price for
trying to protect the reputation of the school and football team.

Now, to JoPa's defense, he was told that someone had broken the law in his facility. It
was really the job of the TA to report that to the University higher-ups since Paterno had
only heard about the crime. Many, many careers and reputations have been destroyed by
someone saying that they had heard about someone else doing something wrong, but if you
never witnessed the act, you 1. Shouldn't pass it on, and 2. Comment on it. Isn't that
what hearsay is about?

Mr. McQueary should have dropped the dime on Sandusky right then, but I'm sure he was in
fear of losing his job. 

My wife's elementary school saw one of their support staff person's life ruined because of
a self inflicted act that led to the man's arrest on child endangerment. The child made a
false allegation that this man had done something that everyone on the hall knew was
impossible but he was till arrested and jailed. A year later, the charges were dropped,
but of course, he had lost his job, home and family.

I'm afraid after this week, all of college football will be affected. I've lived with a
teacher for 30+ years and know you are never one-on-one with a student. I'd guess that
kind of rule will now come into play in college athletics.

rsl

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-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT
(Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:33 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

>> Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the worst scandal in
the history of college football. 

I'm not trying to minimize these sad and sickening actions at all ... but worst in the
history of college football??? Really?
?
First off, this isn't really a college football scandal - so the NCAA really doesn't have
jurisdiction or any power (as if they have any to begin with) ... it's a legal and moral
problem for the school and Joe Paterno, but there won't be any sanctions or NCAA penalty.
Since the allegation first came to Paterno after Sandusky was retired from coaching
(granted he still had use of team facilities) and did not involve PSU players, there's not
really any direct tie to the university.
?
This is a much larger problem for PSU because it is the breakdown of trust in an
institution - much like the pedophilia scandals of the Catholic church a few years back.
And PSU and JoePa are institutions that have now had their trustworthiness shattered.

?
But then again, not many higher-ups in the Catholic church paid a price for that scandal
... and on a more recent front, look at the adoration showered on Michael Jackson in the
past year or so despite his charges. So maybe we're caught up in the moment and this will
die down. Hopefully not, because in all these cases there are real victims with real pain
that won't go away.
?
So legally? JoePa appears to be in the clear. And NCAA wise? No problem.
The big issue is a moral/trust one for JoePa and this will undoubtedly stain him in the
eyes of most.
?
Personally, I'm reserving judgement until we get more of the story -- from what's out so
far, it looks like he reported it and maybe wasn't told of everything (and I can see how
even reporting it would be tough for him about a man he probably considered one of his
closest friends ... so I can understand why he didn't want to believe it, but I'm sure he
talked with Sandusky about the charges after the report) ... but you still would hope that
a person like the persona we see of JoePa would make sure this got taken care of by the
authorities?back in 2002. But we'll see what else comes out. Regardless, the higher-ups at
PSU appear to be in much more trouble legally, so I doubt anyone will be forcing JoePa
out.
?
It's a mess any way you look at it and a serious tragedy for these young boys who were
abused. But it's also a media storm right now where you need to be careful not to get
caught up in the hoopla and feeding frenzy.
?
And as for the point about the worst scandal in college football ... I don't see it as a
college football scandal. I see it as a scandal involving someone who coaches college
football. In terms of college football scandals, I see the ones with
institutions/coaches/boosters/etc. contributing to the corruption of players as just as
serious and worse for "college football" as a whole -- whether it's allowing them to get
away with assaults or abuse to others on campus/girlfriends ... or showering them with
cash/drugs/cars/strippers/etc. ... or academic dishonesty, etc.

It's not the moral/legal equivalent of what's happening at PSU - but those are worse
scandals for college football and the corruption of the game and the teenagers who play it
by people in authority is evil and wrong in its own way.
?
Go Cats!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


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From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>;
Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

?
Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when your AD is facing
criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.
?
I think they should get the death penalty.
?
BB


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From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there is the moral
question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant saw and then
said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.? JoePa appears to have followed PSU policy which was to
immediately notify the AD.? The AD followed policy to notify the VP.? The AD and VP are
now positioned to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury
appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do exactly what they
are doing.? Limit the damage, cooperate with the authorities, blame the fall guys for bad
judgment, pay for their defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them
once they've served their time.? 

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case this starts to
reach beyond the existing indictments.? If it goes not further than these two, I would
allow Joe to gracefully announce his retirement at a time in the not too distant future
when it won't resurrect the whole scandal.? 

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral compromises that it has
required me to make and might start to plan my own retirement.? But that's just me.

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what
would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope
that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at
least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left,
depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never
represent the university again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
?
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley
for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Nov  8 14:50:36 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:50:36 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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< Before any coach could take the field with their team, they had to go 
through my clinic and pass a thorough background check.

And Jerry Sandusky no doubt would have passed with flying colors. 


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov  8 15:09:11 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:09:11 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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When I did football, you never left the kids alone at the practice field until everyone
was picked up, but sometimes we did take the kids home after practice, something I don't
think I'd do today.

Anyway, if you saw the line of media guys in front of Beaver Stadium this morning, you can
see why things are getting dicey for Jo Pa and his team of coaches. I just hope it doesn't
screw up their game this Saturday.

And I hope the truth eventually gets out about who did and said what and when.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 3:26 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; SjT (Stephen J. Truog); Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

I ran the coaching organization for our local soccer association for ten years.

Before any coach could take the field with their team, they had to go through my clinic
and pass a thorough background check.  It didn't matter what certification or experience
they had.  If they weren't at the clinic, they didn't coach and they didn't come in
contact with any kids until the background check cleared.

At the clinic, besides the basics of coaching, I gave them the rules about handling kids.

Rule #1 was that you are NEVER alone with somebody else's kid.  Your assistant can't leave
until all of the kids have been picked up.  If the parent doesn't show up, you have to
call the emergency contact and make arrangements for them to pick up the kid.  If that
didn't work, call me, and my wife and I would pick up the kid, take them to our house and
the parent could pick them up from there.  I never had a parent come to pick their kid up
from my house more than once.  

Fortunately we never had an incident, but it's only because we were lucky and paying
attention.
 
Jeff  

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy S.
Lamberton
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 1:22 PM
To: 'SjT (Stephen J. Truog)'; 'Northwestern Wildcats'
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

I think what disturbs me about the entire Penn State scandal is that, like the Roman
Catholic Church, now we will have hundreds more charges from other athletic programs.

Remember that NU had the video taping of the Wrestling Locker room a few years back. NU
took immediate corrective action so it quickly died. 

Paul Levinson reminded me last night that it wasn't the actual crime that finished Richard
Nixon, it was the attempt to cover up the campaign's participation in the crime that led
to all of the jail time, and humiliation. Penn State is going to pay a serious price for
trying to protect the reputation of the school and football team.

Now, to JoPa's defense, he was told that someone had broken the law in his facility. It
was really the job of the TA to report that to the University higher-ups since Paterno had
only heard about the crime. Many, many careers and reputations have been destroyed by
someone saying that they had heard about someone else doing something wrong, but if you
never witnessed the act, you 1. Shouldn't pass it on, and 2. Comment on it. Isn't that
what hearsay is about?

Mr. McQueary should have dropped the dime on Sandusky right then, but I'm sure he was in
fear of losing his job. 

My wife's elementary school saw one of their support staff person's life ruined because of
a self inflicted act that led to the man's arrest on child endangerment. The child made a
false allegation that this man had done something that everyone on the hall knew was
impossible but he was till arrested and jailed. A year later, the charges were dropped,
but of course, he had lost his job, home and family.

I'm afraid after this week, all of college football will be affected. I've lived with a
teacher for 30+ years and know you are never one-on-one with a student. I'd guess that
kind of rule will now come into play in college athletics.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT
(Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:33 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

>> Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the worst scandal in
the history of college football. 

I'm not trying to minimize these sad and sickening actions at all ... but worst in the
history of college football??? Really?
?
First off, this isn't really a college football scandal - so the NCAA really doesn't have
jurisdiction or any power (as if they have any to begin with) ... it's a legal and moral
problem for the school and Joe Paterno, but there won't be any sanctions or NCAA penalty.
Since the allegation first came to Paterno after Sandusky was retired from coaching
(granted he still had use of team facilities) and did not involve PSU players, there's not
really any direct tie to the university.
?
This is a much larger problem for PSU because it is the breakdown of trust in an
institution - much like the pedophilia scandals of the Catholic church a few years back.
And PSU and JoePa are institutions that have now had their trustworthiness shattered.

?
But then again, not many higher-ups in the Catholic church paid a price for that scandal
... and on a more recent front, look at the adoration showered on Michael Jackson in the
past year or so despite his charges. So maybe we're caught up in the moment and this will
die down. Hopefully not, because in all these cases there are real victims with real pain
that won't go away.
?
So legally? JoePa appears to be in the clear. And NCAA wise? No problem.
The big issue is a moral/trust one for JoePa and this will undoubtedly stain him in the
eyes of most.
?
Personally, I'm reserving judgement until we get more of the story -- from what's out so
far, it looks like he reported it and maybe wasn't told of everything (and I can see how
even reporting it would be tough for him about a man he probably considered one of his
closest friends ... so I can understand why he didn't want to believe it, but I'm sure he
talked with Sandusky about the charges after the report) ... but you still would hope that
a person like the persona we see of JoePa would make sure this got taken care of by the
authorities?back in 2002. But we'll see what else comes out. Regardless, the higher-ups at
PSU appear to be in much more trouble legally, so I doubt anyone will be forcing JoePa
out.
?
It's a mess any way you look at it and a serious tragedy for these young boys who were
abused. But it's also a media storm right now where you need to be careful not to get
caught up in the hoopla and feeding frenzy.
?
And as for the point about the worst scandal in college football ... I don't see it as a
college football scandal. I see it as a scandal involving someone who coaches college
football. In terms of college football scandals, I see the ones with
institutions/coaches/boosters/etc. contributing to the corruption of players as just as
serious and worse for "college football" as a whole -- whether it's allowing them to get
away with assaults or abuse to others on campus/girlfriends ... or showering them with
cash/drugs/cars/strippers/etc. ... or academic dishonesty, etc.

It's not the moral/legal equivalent of what's happening at PSU - but those are worse
scandals for college football and the corruption of the game and the teenagers who play it
by people in authority is evil and wrong in its own way.
?
Go Cats!
-SjT

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From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>;
Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

?
Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when your AD is facing
criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.
?
I think they should get the death penalty.
?
BB


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there is the moral
question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant saw and then
said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.? JoePa appears to have followed PSU policy which was to
immediately notify the AD.? The AD followed policy to notify the VP.? The AD and VP are
now positioned to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury
appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do exactly what they
are doing.? Limit the damage, cooperate with the authorities, blame the fall guys for bad
judgment, pay for their defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them
once they've served their time.? 

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case this starts to
reach beyond the existing indictments.? If it goes not further than these two, I would
allow Joe to gracefully announce his retirement at a time in the not too distant future
when it won't resurrect the whole scandal.? 

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral compromises that it has
required me to make and might start to plan my own retirement.? But that's just me.

Jeff




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Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what
would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope
that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at
least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left,
depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never
represent the university again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
?
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley
for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 
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From bbds5951 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 21:55:33 2011
From: bbds5951 at yahoo.com (Bill Bender)
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:55:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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I stand by my assertion.? This IS a college football scandal. At least one?ten year old boy (that we know of so far) was sodomized in the shower in the football facilities at Penn State, by a longtime coach (retired or not) in front of an eyewitness, and it was covered up by people at the highest level in the institution.
?
If you don't agree, please provide a counterexample. Paying players, shaving points, whatever. It all pales in comparison to this.
?
BB


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From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

>> Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the worst scandal in the history of college football. 

I'm not trying to minimize these sad and sickening actions at all ... but worst in the history of college football??? Really?
?
First off, this isn't really a college football scandal - so the NCAA really doesn't have jurisdiction or any power (as if they have any to begin with) ... it's a legal and moral problem for the school and Joe Paterno, but there won't be any sanctions or NCAA penalty. Since the allegation first came to Paterno after Sandusky was retired from coaching (granted he still had use of team facilities) and did not involve PSU players, there's not really any direct tie to the university.
?
This is a much larger problem for PSU because it is the breakdown of trust in an institution - much like the pedophilia scandals of the Catholic church a few years back. And PSU and JoePa are institutions that have now had their trustworthiness shattered.
?
But then again, not many higher-ups in the Catholic church paid a price for that scandal ... and on a more recent front, look at the adoration showered on Michael Jackson in the past year or so despite his charges. So maybe we're caught up in the moment and this will die down. Hopefully not, because in all these cases there are real victims with real pain that won't go away.
?
So legally? JoePa appears to be in the clear. And NCAA wise? No problem.
The big issue is a moral/trust one for JoePa and this will undoubtedly stain him in the eyes of most.
?
Personally, I'm reserving judgement until we get more of the story -- from what's out so far, it looks like he reported it and maybe wasn't told of everything (and I can see how even reporting it would be tough for him about a man he probably considered one of his closest friends ... so I can understand why he didn't want to believe it, but I'm sure he talked with Sandusky about the charges after the report) ... but you still would hope that a person like the persona we see of JoePa would make sure this got taken care of by the authorities?back in 2002. But we'll see what else comes out. Regardless, the higher-ups at PSU appear to be in much more trouble legally, so I doubt anyone will be forcing JoePa out.
?
It's a mess any way you look at it and a serious tragedy for these young boys who were abused. But it's also a media storm right now where you need to be careful not to get caught up in the hoopla and feeding frenzy.
?
And as for the point about the worst scandal in college football ... I don't see it as a college football scandal. I see it as a scandal involving someone who coaches college football. In terms of college football scandals, I see the ones with institutions/coaches/boosters/etc. contributing to the corruption of players as just as serious and worse for "college football" as a whole -- whether it's allowing them to get away with assaults or abuse to others on campus/girlfriends ... or showering them with cash/drugs/cars/strippers/etc. ... or academic dishonesty, etc.

It's not the moral/legal equivalent of what's happening at PSU - but those are worse scandals for college football and the corruption of the game and the teenagers who play it by people in authority is evil and wrong in its own way.
?
Go Cats!
-SjT

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sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


________________________________
From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

?
Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when your AD is facing criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.
?
I think they should get the death penalty.
?
BB


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there is the moral question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant saw and then said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.? JoePa appears to have followed PSU policy which was to immediately notify the AD.? The AD followed policy to notify the VP.? The AD and VP are now positioned to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do exactly what they are doing.? Limit the damage, cooperate with the authorities, blame the fall guys for bad judgment, pay for their defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them once they've served their time.? 

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case this starts to reach beyond the existing indictments.? If it goes not further than these two, I would allow Joe to gracefully announce his retirement at a time in the not too distant future when it won't resurrect the whole scandal.? 

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral compromises that it has required me to make and might start to plan my own retirement.? But that's just me.

Jeff




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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left, depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never represent the university again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
?
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov  8 22:55:32 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:55:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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Well, we're getting into semantics here -- it may be a scandal that involves college football personnel, but it's just not anything within the scope of the NCAA. Sandusky was not an official coach/employee, it did not involve NCAA student athletes, etc. There's just nothing they can or will do.

That doesn't excuse the lack of moral judgement by Paterno or the lack of legal duties by university officials - but it's not something that will come across the NCAA's desk.

And while I do not mean to minimize the sexual abuse of a minor, like I said, there are other serious college football scandals that also impact the lives of teenagers who play for the university -- whether it be point shaving and corrupting a teenager via ties to organized crime ... bribery to players in the forms of payouts/drugs/sex etc. is certainly corrupting of a teenager ... academic cheating is corrupting a teenager ... playing a player after a concussion that could risk further injury, etc.

We tend to dismiss those because the student athletes involved are 18 or 19 years old and not 9 or 10 -- I'm not trying to get into a "scandal off" -- just saying that the NCAA needs to resist the urge to jump into the circus spotlight and let the legal authorities to their job here ... they have plenty of other houses to put in order at Miami, USC, OSU, Auburn, Alabama, FSU and many others that involve adults and university officials that we expect to set examples and lead young men and women yet they are corrupting them with bribery, sex, drugs, cheating, etc. Let them worry about that and let the legal process take its course.

From everything we've seen so far, this is certainly not an NCAA matter. And it's really not a legal matter for Paterno either (Spanier, the AD and others? Yes ... but not Paterno).

But it is a moral issue that Paterno will have to live with and the court of public opinion will judge him on that. Like I said, you'd think at this point that it will cost him his job, stain his career and haunt his legacy ... but looking at how similar scandals treated officials in the Catholic Church and Michael Jackson, I'm not so sure it will once the media spotlight and hoopla dies down.

Stephen


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From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...


I stand by my assertion.? This IS a college football scandal. At least one?ten year old boy (that we know of so far) was sodomized in the shower in the football facilities at Penn State, by a longtime coach (retired or not) in front of an eyewitness, and it was covered up by people at the highest level in the institution.
?
If you don't agree, please provide a counterexample. Paying players, shaving points, whatever. It all pales in comparison to this.
?
BB

From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

>> Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the worst scandal in the history of college football. 

I'm not trying to minimize these sad and sickening actions at all ... but worst in the history of
 college football??? Really?
?
First off, this isn't really a college football scandal - so the NCAA really doesn't have jurisdiction or any power (as if they have any to begin with) ... it's a legal and moral problem for the school and Joe Paterno, but there won't be any sanctions or NCAA penalty. Since the allegation first came to Paterno after Sandusky was retired from coaching (granted he still had use of team facilities) and did not involve PSU players, there's not really any direct tie to the university.
?
This is a much larger problem for PSU because it is the breakdown of trust in an institution - much like the pedophilia scandals of the Catholic church a few years back. And PSU and JoePa are institutions that have now had their trustworthiness shattered.
?
But then again, not many higher-ups in the Catholic church paid a price for that scandal ... and on a more recent front, look at the adoration showered on
 Michael Jackson in the past year or so despite his charges. So maybe we're caught up in the moment and this will die down. Hopefully not, because in all these cases there are real victims with real pain that won't go away.
?
So legally? JoePa appears to be in the clear. And NCAA wise? No problem.
The big issue is a moral/trust one for JoePa and this will undoubtedly stain him in the eyes of most.
?
Personally, I'm reserving judgement until we get more of the story -- from what's out so far, it looks like he reported it and maybe wasn't told of everything (and I can see how even reporting it would be tough for him about a man he probably considered one of his closest friends ... so I can understand why he didn't want to believe it, but I'm sure he talked with Sandusky about the charges after the report) ... but you still would hope that a person like the persona we see of JoePa would make sure this got taken care of by the
 authorities?back in 2002. But we'll see what else comes out. Regardless, the higher-ups at PSU appear to be in much more trouble legally, so I doubt anyone will be forcing JoePa out.
?
It's a mess any way you look at it and a serious tragedy for these young boys who were abused. But it's also a media storm right now where you need to be careful not to get caught up in the hoopla and feeding frenzy.
?
And as for the point about the worst scandal in college football ... I don't see it as a college football scandal. I see it as a scandal involving someone who coaches college football. In terms of college football scandals, I see the ones with institutions/coaches/boosters/etc. contributing to the corruption of players as just as serious and worse for "college football" as a whole -- whether it's allowing them to get away with assaults or abuse to others on campus/girlfriends ... or showering them with
 cash/drugs/cars/strippers/etc. ... or academic dishonesty, etc.

It's not the moral/legal equivalent of what's happening at PSU - but those are worse scandals for college football and the corruption of the game and the teenagers who play it by people in authority is evil and wrong in its own way.
?
Go Cats!
-SjT

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Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


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From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

?
Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when your AD is facing criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.
?
I think they should get the death penalty.
?
BB


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there is the moral question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant saw and then said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.? JoePa appears to have followed PSU policy which was to immediately notify the AD.? The AD followed policy to notify the VP.? The AD and VP are now positioned to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do exactly what they are doing.? Limit the damage, cooperate with the authorities, blame the fall guys for bad judgment, pay for their defense,
 and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them once they've served their time.? 

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case this starts to reach beyond the existing indictments.? If it goes not further than these two, I would allow Joe to gracefully announce his retirement at a time in the not too distant future when it won't resurrect the whole scandal.? 

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral compromises that it has required me to make and might start to plan my own retirement.? But that's just me.

Jeff




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Sent:
 Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left, depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never represent the university again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
?
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley
 for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 
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From bbds5951 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 07:08:16 2011
From: bbds5951 at yahoo.com (Bill Bender)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 05:08:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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Let's see how this unfolds.? There are reports of more victims (approaching 20 as of last night), and that JoePa is done.
?
Lack of insitutional control is an issue, methinks, and that's the biggie in the NCAA. I suspect we haven't heard the last from them on this matter.
?
Time will tell.
?
BB


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To: Bill Bender <wbender1247 at earthlink.net>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...


Well, we're getting into semantics here -- it may be a scandal that involves college football personnel, but it's just not anything within the scope of the NCAA. Sandusky was not an official coach/employee, it did not involve NCAA student athletes, etc. There's just nothing they can or will do.

That doesn't excuse the lack of moral judgement by Paterno or the lack of legal duties by university officials - but it's not something that will come across the NCAA's desk.

And while I do not mean to minimize the sexual abuse of a minor, like I said, there are other serious college football scandals that also impact the lives of teenagers who play for the university -- whether it be point shaving and corrupting a teenager via ties to organized crime ... bribery to players in the forms of payouts/drugs/sex etc. is certainly corrupting of a teenager ... academic cheating is corrupting a teenager ... playing a player after a concussion that could risk further injury, etc.

We tend to dismiss those because the student athletes involved are 18 or 19 years old and not 9 or 10 -- I'm not trying to get into a "scandal off" -- just saying that the NCAA needs to resist the urge to jump into the circus spotlight and let the legal authorities to their job here ... they have plenty of other houses to put in order at Miami, USC, OSU, Auburn, Alabama, FSU and many others that involve adults and university officials that we expect to set examples and lead young men and women yet they are corrupting them with bribery, sex, drugs, cheating, etc. Let them worry about that and let the legal process take its course.

From everything we've seen so far, this is certainly not an NCAA matter. And it's really not a legal matter for Paterno either (Spanier, the AD and others? Yes ... but not Paterno).

But it is a moral issue that Paterno will have to live with and the court of public opinion will judge him on that. Like I said, you'd think at this point that it will cost him his job, stain his career and haunt his legacy ... but looking at how similar scandals treated officials in the Catholic Church and Michael Jackson, I'm not so sure it will once the media spotlight and hoopla dies down.

Stephen



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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 

________________________________



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From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...


I stand by my assertion.? This IS a college football scandal. At least one?ten year old boy (that we know of so far) was sodomized in the shower in the football facilities at Penn State, by a longtime coach (retired or not) in front of an eyewitness, and it was covered up by people at the highest level in the institution.
?
If you don't agree, please provide a counterexample. Paying players, shaving points, whatever. It all pales in comparison to this.
?
BB

From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

>> Another question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the worst scandal in the history of college football. 

I'm not trying to minimize these sad and sickening actions at all ... but worst in the history of college football??? Really?
?
First off, this isn't really a college football scandal - so the NCAA really doesn't have jurisdiction or any power (as if they have any to begin with) ... it's a legal and moral problem for the school and Joe Paterno, but there won't be any sanctions or NCAA penalty. Since the allegation first came to Paterno after Sandusky was retired from coaching (granted he still had use of team facilities) and did not involve PSU players, there's not really any direct tie to the university.
?
This is a much larger problem for PSU because it is the breakdown of trust in an institution - much like the pedophilia scandals of the Catholic church a few years back. And PSU and JoePa are institutions that have now had their trustworthiness shattered.
?
But then again, not many higher-ups in the Catholic church paid a price for that scandal ... and on a more recent front, look at the adoration showered on Michael Jackson in the past year or so despite his charges. So maybe we're caught up in the moment and this will die down. Hopefully not, because in all these cases there are real victims with real pain that won't go away.
?
So legally? JoePa appears to be in the clear. And NCAA wise? No problem.
The big issue is a moral/trust one for JoePa and this will undoubtedly stain him in the eyes of most.
?
Personally, I'm reserving judgement until we get more of the story -- from what's out so far, it looks like he reported it and maybe wasn't told of everything (and I can see how even reporting it would be tough for him about a man he probably considered one of his closest friends ... so I can understand why he didn't want to believe it, but I'm sure he talked with Sandusky about the charges after the report) ... but you still would hope that a person like the persona we see of JoePa would make sure this got taken care of by the authorities?back in 2002. But we'll see what else comes out. Regardless, the higher-ups at PSU appear to be in much more trouble legally, so I doubt anyone will be forcing JoePa out.
?
It's a mess any way you look at it and a serious tragedy for these young boys who were abused. But it's also a media storm right now where you need to be careful not to get caught up in the hoopla and feeding frenzy.
?
And as for the point about the worst scandal in college football ... I don't see it as a college football scandal. I see it as a scandal involving someone who coaches college football. In terms of college football scandals, I see the ones with institutions/coaches/boosters/etc. contributing to the corruption of players as just as serious and worse for "college football" as a whole -- whether it's allowing them to get away with assaults or abuse to others on campus/girlfriends ... or showering them with cash/drugs/cars/strippers/etc. ... or academic dishonesty, etc.

It's not the moral/legal equivalent of what's happening at PSU - but those are worse scandals for college football and the corruption of the game and the teenagers who play it by people in authority is evil and wrong in its own way.
?
Go Cats!
-SjT

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sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


________________________________
From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

?
Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when your AD is facing criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.
?
I think they should get the death penalty.
?
BB


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there is the moral question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant saw and then said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.? JoePa appears to have followed PSU policy which was to immediately notify the AD.? The AD followed policy to notify the VP.? The AD and VP are now positioned to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do exactly what they are doing.? Limit the damage, cooperate with the authorities, blame the fall guys for bad judgment, pay for their defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them once they've served their time.? 

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case this starts to reach beyond the existing indictments.? If it goes not further than these two, I would allow Joe to gracefully announce his retirement at a time in the not too distant future when it won't resurrect the whole scandal.? 

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral compromises that it has required me to make and might start to plan my own retirement.? But that's just me.

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left, depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never represent the university again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
?
PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 08:59:35 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 06:59:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
References: <1320767040.29834.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Bill,
?
I rarely agree with SjT here but I think he's right. This situation (as we currently understand it) is not under the jurisdiction of the NCAA. Just imagine that Sandusky was an associate enginnering professor and Paterno was the dean of the engineering school. The same failure of judgement happens but it's completely removed from football. From what we know now, this did not affect any player eligibility or competitive edge on the field.
?
I do wonder though, when the other cleat drops, if this could become a major NCAA issue. I am scratching my head trying to think of why McQueary and Paterno would even consider looking the other way when the learned about Sandusky's behavior. It makes no sense at all. The only thing I can think of is that Sandusky holds the keys to A LOT of skeletons in Penn State's closet. For exmaple, If Sandusky knew about an SMU-style pay for play or other major NCAA violations, then that might be a reason these coaches felt they couldn't afford to come clean. But that seems far fetched to me.
?
Jim


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From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; Bill Bender <wbender1247 at earthlink.net>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Let's see how this unfolds.? There are reports of more victims (approaching 20 as of last night), and that JoePa is done.
?
Lack of insitutional control is an issue, methinks, and that's the biggie in the NCAA. I suspect we haven't heard the last from them on this matter.
?
Time will tell.
?
BB


________________________________
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Bill Bender <wbender1247 at earthlink.net>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...


Well, we're getting into semantics here -- it may be a scandal that involves
 college football personnel, but it's just not anything within the scope of the NCAA. Sandusky was not an official coach/employee, it did not involve NCAA student athletes, etc. There's just nothing they can or will do.

That doesn't excuse the lack of moral judgement by Paterno or the lack of legal duties by university officials - but it's not something that will come across the NCAA's desk.

And while I do not mean to minimize the sexual abuse of a minor, like I said, there are other serious college football scandals that also impact the lives of teenagers who play for the university -- whether it be point shaving and corrupting a teenager via ties to organized crime ... bribery to players in the forms of payouts/drugs/sex etc. is certainly corrupting of a teenager ... academic cheating is corrupting a teenager ... playing a player after a concussion that could risk further injury, etc.

We tend to dismiss those because the student
 athletes involved are 18 or 19 years old and not 9 or 10 -- I'm not trying to get into a "scandal off" -- just saying that the NCAA needs to resist the urge to jump into the circus spotlight and let the legal authorities to their job here ... they have plenty of other houses to put in order at Miami, USC, OSU, Auburn, Alabama, FSU and many others that involve adults and university officials that we expect to set examples and lead young men and women yet they are corrupting them with bribery, sex, drugs, cheating, etc. Let them worry about that and let the legal process take its course.

From everything we've seen so far, this is certainly not an NCAA matter. And it's really not a legal matter for Paterno either (Spanier, the AD and others? Yes ... but not Paterno).

But it is a moral issue that Paterno will have to live with and the court of public opinion will judge him on that. Like I said, you'd think at this point that it will cost him
 his job, stain his career and haunt his legacy ... but looking at how similar scandals treated officials in the Catholic Church and Michael Jackson, I'm not so sure it will once the media spotlight and hoopla dies down.

Stephen



* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 

________________________________



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From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November
 8, 2011 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...


I stand by my assertion.? This IS a college football scandal. At least one?ten year old boy (that we know of so far) was sodomized in the shower in the football facilities at Penn State, by a longtime coach (retired or not) in front of an eyewitness, and it was covered up by people at the highest level in the institution.
?
If you don't agree, please provide a counterexample. Paying players, shaving points, whatever. It all pales in comparison to this.
?
BB

From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

>> Another
 question is what the NCAA will do about this. It's by far the worst scandal in the history of college football. 

I'm not trying to minimize these sad and sickening actions at all ... but worst in the history of college football??? Really?
?
First off, this isn't really a college football scandal - so the NCAA really doesn't have jurisdiction or any power (as if they have any to begin with) ... it's a legal and moral problem for the school and Joe Paterno, but there won't be any sanctions or NCAA penalty. Since the allegation first came to Paterno after Sandusky was retired from coaching (granted he still had use of team facilities) and did not involve PSU players, there's not really any direct tie to the university.
?
This is a much larger problem for PSU because it is the breakdown of trust in an institution - much like the pedophilia scandals of the Catholic church a few years back. And PSU and JoePa are institutions that
 have now had their trustworthiness shattered.
?
But then again, not many higher-ups in the Catholic church paid a price for that scandal ... and on a more recent front, look at the adoration showered on Michael Jackson in the past year or so despite his charges. So maybe we're caught up in the moment and this will die down. Hopefully not, because in all these cases there are real victims with real pain that won't go away.
?
So legally? JoePa appears to be in the clear. And NCAA wise? No problem.
The big issue is a moral/trust one for JoePa and this will undoubtedly stain him in the eyes of most.
?
Personally, I'm reserving judgement until we get more of the story -- from what's out so far, it looks like he reported it and maybe wasn't told of everything (and I can see how even reporting it would be tough for him about a man he probably considered one of his closest friends ... so I can understand why he didn't want to
 believe it, but I'm sure he talked with Sandusky about the charges after the report) ... but you still would hope that a person like the persona we see of JoePa would make sure this got taken care of by the authorities?back in 2002. But we'll see what else comes out. Regardless, the higher-ups at PSU appear to be in much more trouble legally, so I doubt anyone will be forcing JoePa out.
?
It's a mess any way you look at it and a serious tragedy for these young boys who were abused. But it's also a media storm right now where you need to be careful not to get caught up in the hoopla and feeding frenzy.
?
And as for the point about the worst scandal in college football ... I don't see it as a college football scandal. I see it as a scandal involving someone who coaches college football. In terms of college football scandals, I see the ones with institutions/coaches/boosters/etc. contributing to the corruption of players as just
 as serious and worse for "college football" as a whole -- whether it's allowing them to get away with assaults or abuse to others on campus/girlfriends ... or showering them with cash/drugs/cars/strippers/etc. ... or academic dishonesty, etc.

It's not the moral/legal equivalent of what's happening at PSU - but those are worse scandals for college football and the corruption of the game and the teenagers who play it by people in authority is evil and wrong in its own way.
?
Go Cats!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


________________________________
From: Bill Bender <bbds5951 at yahoo.com>
To: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 9:18 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

?
Hard to argue that you have institutional control of your program when your AD is facing criminal charges for covering up serial child rape.
?
I think they should get the death penalty.
?
BB


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Clearly a complex situation because there is the legal question and there is the moral question.

PSU appears to have covered themselves on the legal front.

There is the "he said/she said" discussion around what the Grad Assistant saw and then said to JoePa, the AD, and the VP.? JoePa appears to have followed PSU policy which was to immediately notify the AD.? The AD followed policy to notify the VP.? The AD and VP are now positioned to take the fall for the rest of the institution and the Grand Jury appeared willing to accept that trade.

So if it was my job to protect the institution of Penn State, I would do exactly what
 they are doing.? Limit the damage, cooperate with the authorities, blame the fall guys for bad judgment, pay for their defense, and hope that some dedicated alum will take care of them once they've served their time.? 

I would also have Joe's retirement agreement in my back pocket in case this starts to reach beyond the existing indictments.? If it goes not further than these two, I would allow Joe to gracefully announce his retirement at a time in the not too distant future when it won't resurrect the whole scandal.? 

Finally, I would have to ask myself if this job is worth the moral compromises that it has required me to make and might start to plan my own retirement.? But that's just me.

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 10:44 AM
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Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

If you were the top person at Penn State (I assume it's a chancellor or provost), what would you do today? 
?
Would you let Coach Paterno's staff finish the season?
Would you selectively let Joe Paterno and Mike McQueary go?
Would you clean house between now and Saturday??? 
?
This is not an easy situation. I would imagine that the top brass are hoping beyond hope that Tom Bradley can honestly say he knew nothing and can take over the reigns for at least the rest of this season. Joe Paterno may have a a thin veil of?protection left, depending on what he was told. However, if it were up to me Mike McQueary would never represent the university
 again, starting today. 
?
Jim
?
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PS - I have come to accept the fact that Ron Vanderlinden would never leave Happy Valley for Evanston but I wonder if that may change during the off season. 
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 09:30:49 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 07:30:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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>I rarely agree with SjT here but I think he's right. This situation (as we currently understand it) is not under the jurisdiction of the NCAA. Just imagine that Sandusky was an associate enginnering professor and Paterno was the dean of the engineering school. The same failure of judgement happens but it's completely removed from football. From what we know now, this did not affect any player eligibility or competitive edge on the field.


I agree. It's hard to see how it becomes an NCAA issue. On the other hand, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the NCAA does take it up anyway.?

Whether it's a college football scandal or not is probably just semantics at this point. It's clearly something very different than the standard issue grades/benefits/boosters/academics sort of scandal. But either way, it is certainly a blot on the reputation of college football, especially since it involves one of the few coaches and institutions that most of us held up as an example of doing things the right way.

> I am scratching my head trying to think of why McQueary and Paterno would even consider looking the other way when the learned about Sandusky's behavior. It makes no sense at all. The only thing I can think of is that Sandusky holds the keys to A LOT of skeletons in Penn State's closet.

Setting aside the tragedy of all of this for a moment, that is one of the fascinating human psychology questions here. Assuming the facts are generally what we understand them to be, what would compel Paterno to not do more? Personally, the blackmail angle just doesn't strike me as very likely. Granted, we're already deep into the "unlikely" territory here, so nothing would really surprise me. But somehow I think the real reasons are probably much more subtle than that. Was it friendship? Fear? Concern about impact on won/loss records? Simple bad judgement??

Or have Paterno's faculties just failed significantly, to the point that he thought he was doing the right thing? For a while there, it really seemed like Joe wasn't doing very well, and he seemed very old and confused. But more recently, he's seemed pretty sharp in interviews. So, the "just confused" excuse seems unlikely.?

If Paterno had a visible failing prior to this, it may have been a tendency to be too lenient on law-breakers recently. Perhaps there is a pattern there.?

Tom


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 10:15:37 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:15:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
Message-ID: <1588e.5000367d.3bec0128@aol.com>

Whatever the motivation or lack of judgement or whatever other excuses  
anyone comes up with, it will come down to the cash money generated by the  
football program that is the reason for this horrible cover up, that is why it  
is a NCAA issue, and why the only solution is to suspend the football 
program,  fire Joe and clean house with a fire hose, like  yesterday.

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Nov  9 10:17:12 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:17:12 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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Joe just announced his retirement at the end of the season and
attributed it to this incident.

Jeff

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Whatever the motivation or lack of judgement or whatever other excuses  
anyone comes up with, it will come down to the cash money generated by
the  
football program that is the reason for this horrible cover up, that is
why it  
is a NCAA issue, and why the only solution is to suspend the football 
program,  fire Joe and clean house with a fire hose, like  yesterday.
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 10:18:42 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:18:42 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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?Joe Pa's resignation clearly indicates that he feels a lot of culpability.  He would have fought at least for several days if not weeks if he felt he was a being wrongly pushed out

Harry
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Whatever the motivation or lack of judgement or whatever other excuses  
anyone comes up with, it will come down to the cash money generated by the  
football program that is the reason for this horrible cover up, that is why it  
is a NCAA issue, and why the only solution is to suspend the football 
program,  fire Joe and clean house with a fire hose, like  yesterday.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Nov  9 10:33:43 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:33:43 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
References: <1588e.5000367d.3bec0128@aol.com>
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> Joe just announced his retirement at the end of the season and
> attributed it to this incident.

What a hell of way to end what was a superb career.  Say it ain't so, Joe.


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 10:46:48 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:46:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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One of the interesting things about the statement is the bit about suggesting that he's sparing the trustees from having to spend any further time worrying about his status.?

That strikes me as a fairly sad attempt at trying to avoid being fired sooner, like today. It's insane to think the trustees aren't going to discuss whether he should be allowed to coach another day.?

If I were a betting man, I'd guess that Galen Hall or Ron Vanderlinden will be coaching against Nebraska this week, with a complete clean-out prior to a bowl game.?

Tom



From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 10:50:20 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:50:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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> I rarely agree with SjT here but I think he's right. This situation (as we currently understand it) is not under the jurisdiction of the NCAA. Just imagine that Sandusky was an associate enginnering professor and Paterno was the dean of the engineering school. The same failure of judgement happens but it's completely removed from football. From what we know now, this did not affect any player eligibility or competitive edge on the field.

It would be more like if a retired prof still hung around campus and was seen groping a female student and it was reported to the dean, who forwarded it to the president.
?
In any case, a mess and tragedy - but the NCAA has bigger fish to fry.
?
> I do wonder though, when the other cleat drops, if this could become a major NCAA issue. I am scratching my head trying to think of why McQueary and Paterno would even consider looking the other way when the learned about Sandusky's behavior. It 
?
I am not trying to justify their actions, BUT I can understand them.
?
- McQueary is easy to understand. He's a grad assistant and he's just seen a university legend with a lot of power and friends in high places doing something he shouldn't be doing. There's a reason whistleblowers are rare -- if he reports it to the wrong person, he's out of a job, blacklisted from references and his career is toast.
?
- For Paterno, you have someone who was probably a close friend for years. It was probably difficult for him to even report it, but he did, and then he just went back to wanting to believe it never happened.
?
Again - those are NOT justifications ... just ways to try and understand how two men in charge of molding young men could allow this to happen.
?
Whatever the case, JoePa has announced his retirement and the media swell will probably die down now that the "big fish" has been caught. I sincerely hope it doesn't, because there are university officials (president, AD, police head) who knew more than Joe and did less than he did. And ultimately, there is the perpetrator himself who needs to be brought to justice for the victims' sakes. 
?
This cannot be like the Catholic Church scandal where a few priests lost their jobs, but the ones covering it up stayed in their jobs (or even moved up) ... or like the Michael Jackson case where all is forgotten and painted over in glowing terms after a death.
?
As for Paterno, it is a true tragedy that a man who has done so much for student athletes and students overall will have to live out the rest of his days with regret for the decision he made. His retirement was a necessity after this lapse in judgement was revealed - but I hope that the resignations/firings do not end with him simply because the spotlight will go away.
?
- SjT
?

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 10:50:26 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:50:26 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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Yes I think it will be likely that will be the first thing that comes to mind when people hear his name 5 years from now rather than his coaching career ? 

I wonder how many people 's first thought of hearing Woody Hayes is his punch ,rather than a few national titles ?(Please I'm not equating the 2 errors)

Harry
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> Joe just announced his retirement at the end of the season and
> attributed it to this incident.

What a hell of way to end what was a superb career.  Say it ain't so, Joe.

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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 10:50:41 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 08:50:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary
Message-ID: <1320857441.56335.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Has anyone seen an announcement that Mike McQueary has been fired? 
?
I could be convinced that Joe Paterno was never told the cold hard truth. He probably was, but I could understand that given his age and friendship with Sandusky, McQueary might have not been explicit in his description of what he saw. 
?
HOWEVER, Mike McQueary saw a boy being physically abused and A) didn't intervene and B) did not call the police. 
?
If Penn State stands for anything in this world, I would expect him to be fired today.
?
Jim

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Nov  9 10:53:10 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:53:10 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
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Hard to read the tea leaves here.

The Board is clearly in control here which suggests that things may not be going all that well for Spanier either.

Boards generally don't like to reach into organizations and fire people in the way that you described.  Retirements (forced or voluntary) are much more their style.

I guess we'll see.

Jeff

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One of the interesting things about the statement is the bit about suggesting that he's sparing the trustees from having to spend any further time worrying about his status.?

That strikes me as a fairly sad attempt at trying to avoid being fired sooner, like today. It's insane to think the trustees aren't going to discuss whether he should be allowed to coach another day.?

If I were a betting man, I'd guess that Galen Hall or Ron Vanderlinden will be coaching against Nebraska this week, with a complete clean-out prior to a bowl game.?

Tom


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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Nov  9 11:00:50 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:00:50 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary
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Many have shown justified anger towards McQueary for not stopping what he
witnessed or doing something immediately.  I honestly don't know what I
would have done but hope that I would have at least gone and immediately
called the authorities.  He did, at least, notify his superior (Paterno)
the next day and therefore apparently satisfied the legal requirement
(since he was not indicted).  Note that PSU has been stating that he is
"out of the office recruiting" but was probably more likely to have been
sent home indefinitely after this all came out on Saturday.  More on his
background: he grew up in State College, played for JoePa, came back as a
grad assistant (when this happened), and is now a full time assistant coach
(WRs) for PSU - you'd recognize him as he is the redhead always seen on the
sideline calling in plays.

BTW, my full thoughts on the situation are now on HTP, if you care to read:
http://hailtopurple.com/jhodges/comment11k09.html - to sum it up, Paterno
and Spanier should be removed immediately.

Note on Paterno's retirement: it was certainly a unilateral move on his
part, and I hope the trustees step in and remove him today.  I have no clue
how he, Spanier, and McQueary weren't immediately put on administrative
leave - Spanier's inaction and questionable backing of the 2 university
employees who were indicted is just plain bad leadership (if you can call
it leadership).  (Though it may turn out that the board has already been
working on removing them and it's just not public yet; if that is the case
the board should have done a better job getting in front of this).

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
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Twitter: @hailtopurple
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On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Has anyone seen an announcement that Mike McQueary has been fired?
>
> I could be convinced that Joe Paterno was never told the cold hard truth.
> He probably was, but I could understand that given his age and friendship
> with Sandusky, McQueary might have not been explicit in his description of
> what he saw.
>
> HOWEVER, Mike McQueary saw a boy being physically abused and A) didn't
> intervene and B) did not call the police.
>
> If Penn State stands for anything in this world, I would expect him to be
> fired today.
>
> Jim
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov  9 11:19:14 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:19:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EE60@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <20111109171914.B7C4264E9A@romaine.tssi.com>

> The Board is clearly in control here which suggests that things may not be 
> going all that well for Spanier either.

There were some reports last night that former Pennsylvania Governor
Tom Ridge may be brought in to replace Spanier, at least on an interim
basis.  
 
> Boards generally don't like to reach into organizations and fire people in 
> the way that you described.  Retirements (forced or voluntary) are much more
> their style.

I'm not sure if the Board is still meeting tonight as first reported,
since they issued a lengthy statement last night saying that they would
appoint a committee at their regular Friday meeting, where the current
Governor of Pennsylvania is expected to attend.  This is an effort to
slow things down, it may not work.  

My expectations at this point are:

1.  Paterno will be allowed to finish the season.  (As people may recall,
    I've speculated several times in the past year that Paterno might have 
    been 'retired' at the end of the current season anyway.)  I agree that, 
    like Woody Hayes, the thing often cited first in referring to his 
    legacy over the years will be of what forced him out, not his many 
    accomplishments.  Where his replacement will come from is uncertain,
    it isn't clear who will even make that choice yet.  I don't know
    whetehr any of the current coaches will be in the running for anything
    beyond a caretaker season.  

2.  Spanier will be out within a week, probably Friday.  

3.  Other heads may still fall, either before the Board's committee
    completes its report, or afterwards.  

4.  The Pennsylvania legislature will amend state law to make all 
    all athletic coaches 'mandatory reporters'.  

5.  The NCAA will not get involved.  
--
Mike Nolan


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Nov  9 11:36:32 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:36:32 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <20111109171914.B7C4264E9A@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EE60@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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Some pertinent links:

Bio of PSU Pres Spanier (got PhD from NU, sociology, in 1973):
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11313/1188558-298.stm

PSU Board tells Spanier to stay quiet:
http://onwardstate.com/2011/11/09/spanier-silenced-by-board-of-trustees/

PSU Board is fractured and chairmanship may change hands (DEFINITELY worth
reading):
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jerry_sandusky_penn_state_trus.html

--
Jonathan Hodges
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On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > The Board is clearly in control here which suggests that things may not
> be
> > going all that well for Spanier either.
>
> There were some reports last night that former Pennsylvania Governor
> Tom Ridge may be brought in to replace Spanier, at least on an interim
> basis.
>
> > Boards generally don't like to reach into organizations and fire people
> in
> > the way that you described.  Retirements (forced or voluntary) are much
> more
> > their style.
>
> I'm not sure if the Board is still meeting tonight as first reported,
> since they issued a lengthy statement last night saying that they would
> appoint a committee at their regular Friday meeting, where the current
> Governor of Pennsylvania is expected to attend.  This is an effort to
> slow things down, it may not work.
>
> My expectations at this point are:
>
> 1.  Paterno will be allowed to finish the season.  (As people may recall,
>    I've speculated several times in the past year that Paterno might have
>    been 'retired' at the end of the current season anyway.)  I agree that,
>    like Woody Hayes, the thing often cited first in referring to his
>    legacy over the years will be of what forced him out, not his many
>    accomplishments.  Where his replacement will come from is uncertain,
>    it isn't clear who will even make that choice yet.  I don't know
>    whetehr any of the current coaches will be in the running for anything
>    beyond a caretaker season.
>
> 2.  Spanier will be out within a week, probably Friday.
>
> 3.  Other heads may still fall, either before the Board's committee
>    completes its report, or afterwards.
>
> 4.  The Pennsylvania legislature will amend state law to make all
>    all athletic coaches 'mandatory reporters'.
>
> 5.  The NCAA will not get involved.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Wed Nov  9 12:26:40 2011
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:26:40 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] The silence is deafening
Message-ID: <001801cc9f0d$20ade400$6209ac00$@warnerpatents.com>

We've heard what JoePa told the grand jury.

 

We've heard what JoePa says he was told by McQueary.

 

We've heard what McQueary told the grand jury.

 

But, we (at least I) haven't heard what McQueary says he told JoePa.

 

Based on McCreary's forthrightness with detail given to the grand jury (and
to his dad at the time), I suspect that McQueary told JoePa more detail than
JoePa admits.  If McQueary did, in fact, give JoePa a more limited version
of what happened, PSU would have been out with a statement from McQueary
earlier this week.

 

I assume that, even though the PSU board is try to slow things down with the
investigation committee, they have had their attorneys cross-examining
McQueary in person (recruiting trip? right) over the past few days to find
out his position and/or to horse-shed (scare) him into changing his story.
At this point, the delay in a statement from McQueary is, to me, very
damning.  Namely, the board already knows exactly what McQueary's position
presently is and is trying to buy time.

 

Anyway:

 

On the one hand, McQueary can toe the party line and say he didn't give
detail.  Some future potential employer might see valor in McQueary
protecting his boss and be willing to hire him at least in part because of
his loyalty.  (Or, a PSU alum wanting to minimize the damage may offer him a
job - probably outside of football.)  Others will reject him outright for
not saying enough (if JoePa is to believed) and too weak of a person to be
able to articulate to his boss what he saw (even though he was able to
articulate it just fine to his dad and the grand jury).  Others will reject
him because they just think he's lying to cover JoePa's tail.

 

On the other hand, McQueary could break with the party and contradict
JoePa's position that McQueary didn't give him details.  Some future
potential employer might hire him for having the guts to stand against
JoePa.  However, in that case, I suspect many more won't touch McQueary with
a ten-foot pole for fear that he could stand-up against them as well for
something that could arise in the new employment.  Others will reject him
because they just think he's lying to save his own tail - at least in part
(he still didn't immediately go to the cops).

 

McCreary is in a tough spot and has some tough choices to make.  

 

(Also, although somewhat inconsequential to this post, how did the
prosecutors find out about McCreary in the first place?  Did he come forward
on his own, or was his name given by PSU during the investigation?  We may
never know that.)

 


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 12:36:54 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:36:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The silence is deafening
In-Reply-To: <001801cc9f0d$20ade400$6209ac00$@warnerpatents.com>
References: <001801cc9f0d$20ade400$6209ac00$@warnerpatents.com>
Message-ID: <1320863814.68047.YahooMailNeo@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think he has one reasonable card left to play. Mike McQueary should make a public statement that he failed to take reasonable action on the night in question. He should apologize to the one victim and any other subsequent victims who may have been spared abuse. He should then admit that he did not live up to the Penn State ideals and submit his resignation. He is already a shell of a man in my opinion, but if he has a shred of character left in him, that's the only thing he can do.
?
Jim


________________________________
From: Peter C. Warner <pcw at warnerpatents.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:26 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] The silence is deafening

We've heard what JoePa told the grand jury.



We've heard what JoePa says he was told by McQueary.



We've heard what McQueary told the grand jury.



But, we (at least I) haven't heard what McQueary says he told JoePa.



Based on McCreary's forthrightness with detail given to the grand jury (and
to his dad at the time), I suspect that McQueary told JoePa more detail than
JoePa admits.? If McQueary did, in fact, give JoePa a more limited version
of what happened, PSU would have been out with a statement from McQueary
earlier this week.



I assume that, even though the PSU board is try to slow things down with the
investigation committee, they have had their attorneys cross-examining
McQueary in person (recruiting trip? right) over the past few days to find
out his position and/or to horse-shed (scare) him into changing his story.
At this point, the delay in a statement from McQueary is, to me, very
damning.? Namely, the board already knows exactly what McQueary's position
presently is and is trying to buy time.



Anyway:



On the one hand, McQueary can toe the party line and say he didn't give
detail.? Some future potential employer might see valor in McQueary
protecting his boss and be willing to hire him at least in part because of
his loyalty.? (Or, a PSU alum wanting to minimize the damage may offer him a
job - probably outside of football.)? Others will reject him outright for
not saying enough (if JoePa is to believed) and too weak of a person to be
able to articulate to his boss what he saw (even though he was able to
articulate it just fine to his dad and the grand jury).? Others will reject
him because they just think he's lying to cover JoePa's tail.



On the other hand, McQueary could break with the party and contradict
JoePa's position that McQueary didn't give him details.? Some future
potential employer might hire him for having the guts to stand against
JoePa.? However, in that case, I suspect many more won't touch McQueary with
a ten-foot pole for fear that he could stand-up against them as well for
something that could arise in the new employment.? Others will reject him
because they just think he's lying to save his own tail - at least in part
(he still didn't immediately go to the cops).



McCreary is in a tough spot and has some tough choices to make.? 



(Also, although somewhat inconsequential to this post, how did the
prosecutors find out about McCreary in the first place?? Did he come forward
on his own, or was his name given by PSU during the investigation?? We may
never know that.)



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From juliepmcfarland at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 12:37:32 2011
From: juliepmcfarland at yahoo.com (juliepmcfarland)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:37:32 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] The silence is deafening
In-Reply-To: <001801cc9f0d$20ade400$6209ac00$@warnerpatents.com>
References: <001801cc9f0d$20ade400$6209ac00$@warnerpatents.com>
Message-ID: <C514DE5A-C5B0-423F-9E71-0E54441690AB@yahoo.com>

If employers are smart, they will stay far far away from him. I would never let my child play for someone who cannot stand up, and frankly, physically try to stop such an egregious crime.

Julie Goldmann
WCAS '95



On Nov 9, 2011, at 12:26 PM, "Peter C. Warner" <pcw at warnerpatents.com> wrote:

> We've heard what JoePa told the grand jury.
> 
> 
> 
> We've heard what JoePa says he was told by McQueary.
> 
> 
> 
> We've heard what McQueary told the grand jury.
> 
> 
> 
> But, we (at least I) haven't heard what McQueary says he told JoePa.
> 
> 
> 
> Based on McCreary's forthrightness with detail given to the grand jury (and
> to his dad at the time), I suspect that McQueary told JoePa more detail than
> JoePa admits.  If McQueary did, in fact, give JoePa a more limited version
> of what happened, PSU would have been out with a statement from McQueary
> earlier this week.
> 
> 
> 
> I assume that, even though the PSU board is try to slow things down with the
> investigation committee, they have had their attorneys cross-examining
> McQueary in person (recruiting trip? right) over the past few days to find
> out his position and/or to horse-shed (scare) him into changing his story.
> At this point, the delay in a statement from McQueary is, to me, very
> damning.  Namely, the board already knows exactly what McQueary's position
> presently is and is trying to buy time.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway:
> 
> 
> 
> On the one hand, McQueary can toe the party line and say he didn't give
> detail.  Some future potential employer might see valor in McQueary
> protecting his boss and be willing to hire him at least in part because of
> his loyalty.  (Or, a PSU alum wanting to minimize the damage may offer him a
> job - probably outside of football.)  Others will reject him outright for
> not saying enough (if JoePa is to believed) and too weak of a person to be
> able to articulate to his boss what he saw (even though he was able to
> articulate it just fine to his dad and the grand jury).  Others will reject
> him because they just think he's lying to cover JoePa's tail.
> 
> 
> 
> On the other hand, McQueary could break with the party and contradict
> JoePa's position that McQueary didn't give him details.  Some future
> potential employer might hire him for having the guts to stand against
> JoePa.  However, in that case, I suspect many more won't touch McQueary with
> a ten-foot pole for fear that he could stand-up against them as well for
> something that could arise in the new employment.  Others will reject him
> because they just think he's lying to save his own tail - at least in part
> (he still didn't immediately go to the cops).
> 
> 
> 
> McCreary is in a tough spot and has some tough choices to make.  
> 
> 
> 
> (Also, although somewhat inconsequential to this post, how did the
> prosecutors find out about McCreary in the first place?  Did he come forward
> on his own, or was his name given by PSU during the investigation?  We may
> never know that.)
> 
> 
> 
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From dmangoub at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 12:40:46 2011
From: dmangoub at aol.com (David Mangoubi)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:40:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The silence is deafening
In-Reply-To: <001801cc9f0d$20ade400$6209ac00$@warnerpatents.com>
References: <001801cc9f0d$20ade400$6209ac00$@warnerpatents.com>
Message-ID: <8CE6D263A801A6C-AE4-FAAF8@webmail-m156.sysops.aol.com>

Peter, excellent discussion and analysis.



 If McQueary is not fired ("resigns") it will be shameful and amazing.  He witnessed the rape of a child and only reported it to Paterno. No follow up or wonder why Sandusky wasn't arrested and still had access to the campus and an office?!  Banning Sandusky's charity from campus was basically just making sure the rapes didn't happen on campus. Crazy?!



 

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter C. Warner <pcw at warnerpatents.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 12:28 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] The silence is deafening


We've heard what JoePa told the grand jury.

 

We've heard what JoePa says he was told by McQueary.

 

We've heard what McQueary told the grand jury.

 

But, we (at least I) haven't heard what McQueary says he told JoePa.

 

Based on McCreary's forthrightness with detail given to the grand jury (and
to his dad at the time), I suspect that McQueary told JoePa more detail than
JoePa admits.  If McQueary did, in fact, give JoePa a more limited version
of what happened, PSU would have been out with a statement from McQueary
earlier this week.

 

I assume that, even though the PSU board is try to slow things down with the
investigation committee, they have had their attorneys cross-examining
McQueary in person (recruiting trip? right) over the past few days to find
out his position and/or to horse-shed (scare) him into changing his story.
At this point, the delay in a statement from McQueary is, to me, very
damning.  Namely, the board already knows exactly what McQueary's position
presently is and is trying to buy time.

 

Anyway:

 

On the one hand, McQueary can toe the party line and say he didn't give
detail.  Some future potential employer might see valor in McQueary
protecting his boss and be willing to hire him at least in part because of
his loyalty.  (Or, a PSU alum wanting to minimize the damage may offer him a
job - probably outside of football.)  Others will reject him outright for
not saying enough (if JoePa is to believed) and too weak of a person to be
able to articulate to his boss what he saw (even though he was able to
articulate it just fine to his dad and the grand jury).  Others will reject
him because they just think he's lying to cover JoePa's tail.

 

On the other hand, McQueary could break with the party and contradict
JoePa's position that McQueary didn't give him details.  Some future
potential employer might hire him for having the guts to stand against
JoePa.  However, in that case, I suspect many more won't touch McQueary with
a ten-foot pole for fear that he could stand-up against them as well for
something that could arise in the new employment.  Others will reject him
because they just think he's lying to save his own tail - at least in part
(he still didn't immediately go to the cops).

 

McCreary is in a tough spot and has some tough choices to make.  

 

(Also, although somewhat inconsequential to this post, how did the
prosecutors find out about McCreary in the first place?  Did he come forward
on his own, or was his name given by PSU during the investigation?  We may
never know that.)

 

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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 13:18:57 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:18:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If I ran PSU ...
Message-ID: <1320866337.31555.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'd fire Graham Spanier. Which, according to my newspaper, they are:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_president_graham_sp.html

bw 






?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 13:27:29 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:27:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno should go now
Message-ID: <1320866849.76923.YahooMailNeo@web114720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Does PSU really want the scandal following them for weeks -- which it will if Joe stays until the end of the season?

They should send Joe (and McQueary) home now, let the staff finish the season, decline a bowl bid and clean house -- which means everybody goes. Bradley, Jay Pa, Vanderlinden, everybody, and start over. They cannot build the next era on one scandal-tarred brick of the Paterno mess.

My God, did we ever think we'd write something like that? But we have to. Joe must go now. Now.

Brad Wilson





?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 13:26:40 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:26:40 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] If I ran PSU ...
In-Reply-To: <1320866337.31555.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1320866337.31555.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0E21B566-C82D-4F4B-9BAF-258503392F74@gmail.com>

It shouldn't have taken this long....

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Nov 9, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'd fire Graham Spanier. Which, according to my newspaper, they are:
> 
> http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_president_graham_sp.html
> 
> bw 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> "Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)
> 
> 
> "But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez
> 
> 
> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 13:27:37 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:27:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
Message-ID: <1320866857.93685.YahooMailNeo@web114713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

If you are Nebraska ... can you prepare at all for what you will walk into Saturday? Is there any way to? Can you make this just another game? How? Can you have any idea of what PSU will be like on the field? 


Coaches hate uncertainty. Pelini must be going batty.

bw

?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 13:28:18 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:28:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If I ran PSU ...
In-Reply-To: <0E21B566-C82D-4F4B-9BAF-258503392F74@gmail.com>
References: <1320866337.31555.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <0E21B566-C82D-4F4B-9BAF-258503392F74@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1320866898.77775.YahooMailNeo@web114703.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I quite agree. 


bw

?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal


________________________________
From: Mark Ament <sportsbiz at gmail.com>
To: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If I ran PSU ...

It shouldn't have taken this long....

Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Nov 9, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'd fire Graham Spanier. Which, according to my newspaper, they are:
> 
> http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-news/index.ssf/2011/11/penn_state_president_graham_sp.html
> 
> bw 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>? 
> "Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)
> 
> 
> "But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez
> 
> 
> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 13:29:09 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:29:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno should go now
In-Reply-To: <1320866849.76923.YahooMailNeo@web114720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1320866849.76923.YahooMailNeo@web114720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1320866949.59592.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I agree 100%. The University needs to show that football is no longer it's #1 priority. 
?
Jim

?

________________________________
From: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno should go now

Does PSU really want the scandal following them for weeks -- which it will if Joe stays until the end of the season?

They should send Joe (and McQueary) home now, let the staff finish the season, decline a bowl bid and clean house -- which means everybody goes. Bradley, Jay Pa, Vanderlinden, everybody, and start over. They cannot build the next era on one scandal-tarred brick of the Paterno mess.

My God, did we ever think we'd write something like that? But we have to. Joe must go now. Now.

Brad Wilson





?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 13:32:46 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:32:46 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno should go now
In-Reply-To: <1320866849.76923.YahooMailNeo@web114720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1320866849.76923.YahooMailNeo@web114720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Brady's right and along the same lines I'm a little surprised the acting president will be the existing provost.  I realize he may not be involved in any way, but guilt by association in these circumstances is compelling.  In my experience, there is little of consequence that goes on at a university that the president knows and the provost doesn't.  They generally function as a CEO and COO team, although one concentrates on fundraising and external relations and the other on academics and internal administration.  In other words, is anyone really sure theprovost didn't know and why take the chance?
Mark

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Nov 9, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Does PSU really want the scandal following them for weeks -- which it will if Joe stays until the end of the season?
> 
> They should send Joe (and McQueary) home now, let the staff finish the season, decline a bowl bid and clean house -- which means everybody goes. Bradley, Jay Pa, Vanderlinden, everybody, and start over. They cannot build the next era on one scandal-tarred brick of the Paterno mess.
> 
> My God, did we ever think we'd write something like that? But we have to. Joe must go now. Now.
> 
> Brad Wilson
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> "Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)
> 
> 
> "But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez
> 
> 
> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 13:40:59 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:40:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
In-Reply-To: <1320866857.93685.YahooMailNeo@web114713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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> If you are Nebraska ... can you prepare at all for what you will walk into?

> Saturday? Is there any way to? Can you make this just another game? How? Can you 
> have any idea of what PSU will be like on the field? 


I thought about that too, as someone who'd like to see the Huskers win the rest of the games on their schedule.?

Realistically, though, I think the impact is fairly minor. I think they will mostly be busy with their usual preparation--working on themselves, and on what PSU has done on the football field (probably taking some comfort in seeing that the PSU defense couldn't stop us either).?

The game day atmosphere might be a bit weird, but the only impact would be if a lot of people stayed home, which would be to the Husker's benefit anyway. I guess the big question would be who might be calling the offensive and defensive plays, and how to deal with any unknowns there.?

But it has to be really weird for the PSU guys. I assume most of them will be motivated to go out and win one for Joe, but there may be mixed feelings, and there are certainly a lot of distractions. I suspect they also don't know how their fans and fellow students will react on game day.?

Speaking of game day, what the heck does PSU do there? Do you acknowledge what happened publicly in any way, like a moment of silence? And if Paterno is actually there coaching, it will be his last home game ever as head coach. How do you recognize that??


Tom



From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov  9 13:41:28 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:41:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
In-Reply-To: <1320866857.93685.YahooMailNeo@web114713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111109194128.A51D064EBA@romaine.tssi.com>

> If you are Nebraska ... can you prepare at all for what you will walk into 
> Saturday? Is there any way to? Can you make this just another game? How? Can
> you have any idea of what PSU will be like on the field? 

It's hard to say whether it would be harder to prepare for the game
if Joe is forced out before Saturday (50-50 at this point, I'd say) or if 
he's still there, up in the pressbox as he has been for the past several games.  

Bo Pelini has sort of been through this before.  He was the interim coach after 
Frank Solich was fired, and coached the Huskers to a 17-3 win over 
Michigan State in the Alamo Bowl.

Not that it makes prepping for the game easier, but he has been on
the other side of that coin.   

If Penn State declares itself ineligible for a bowl, would they also take
themselves out of the running for the Big Ten Championship game?
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 13:48:34 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:48:34 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu6f-A4B80QMzCiFiCp1+=Dfd2COMjj5cKfO1akBKLjDaQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I graduated from NU in 1973 with B.A. In--you guessed it--Sociology.  Wonder if I ever had Spanier for a TA,

Paul Levinson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:36:32 
To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] If you ran Penn State...

Some pertinent links:

Bio of PSU Pres Spanier (got PhD from NU, sociology, in 1973):
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11313/1188558-298.stm

PSU Board tells Spanier to stay quiet:
http://onwardstate.com/2011/11/09/spanier-silenced-by-board-of-trustees/

PSU Board is fractured and chairmanship may change hands (DEFINITELY worth
reading):
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/jerry_sandusky_penn_state_trus.html

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > The Board is clearly in control here which suggests that things may not
> be
> > going all that well for Spanier either.
>
> There were some reports last night that former Pennsylvania Governor
> Tom Ridge may be brought in to replace Spanier, at least on an interim
> basis.
>
> > Boards generally don't like to reach into organizations and fire people
> in
> > the way that you described.  Retirements (forced or voluntary) are much
> more
> > their style.
>
> I'm not sure if the Board is still meeting tonight as first reported,
> since they issued a lengthy statement last night saying that they would
> appoint a committee at their regular Friday meeting, where the current
> Governor of Pennsylvania is expected to attend.  This is an effort to
> slow things down, it may not work.
>
> My expectations at this point are:
>
> 1.  Paterno will be allowed to finish the season.  (As people may recall,
>    I've speculated several times in the past year that Paterno might have
>    been 'retired' at the end of the current season anyway.)  I agree that,
>    like Woody Hayes, the thing often cited first in referring to his
>    legacy over the years will be of what forced him out, not his many
>    accomplishments.  Where his replacement will come from is uncertain,
>    it isn't clear who will even make that choice yet.  I don't know
>    whetehr any of the current coaches will be in the running for anything
>    beyond a caretaker season.
>
> 2.  Spanier will be out within a week, probably Friday.
>
> 3.  Other heads may still fall, either before the Board's committee
>    completes its report, or afterwards.
>
> 4.  The Pennsylvania legislature will amend state law to make all
>    all athletic coaches 'mandatory reporters'.
>
> 5.  The NCAA will not get involved.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 13:46:24 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:46:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
In-Reply-To: <20111109194128.A51D064EBA@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1320866857.93685.YahooMailNeo@web114713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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I think we are in uncharted waters ... the first BT championship game and now this? I don't know. And if PSU does decline a bowl bid and doesn't play in the BT title game ... strange.? At that point OSU's win over Wisconsin becomes huge. 


You could make a case that PSU should play in the tjtle game but not a bowl (obligation vs. reward) but ... I don't know.

I do know this: if Joe coaches Sat -- which I believe firmly he should not -- he better stay in the press box. The sight of him leading the team on the field would be grotesquely inappropriate.

Brad Wilson




?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal


________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about

> If you are Nebraska ... can you prepare at all for what you will walk into 
> Saturday? Is there any way to? Can you make this just another game? How? Can
> you have any idea of what PSU will be like on the field? 

It's hard to say whether it would be harder to prepare for the game
if Joe is forced out before Saturday (50-50 at this point, I'd say) or if 
he's still there, up in the pressbox as he has been for the past several games.? 

Bo Pelini has sort of been through this before.? He was the interim coach after 
Frank Solich was fired, and coached the Huskers to a 17-3 win over 
Michigan State in the Alamo Bowl.

Not that it makes prepping for the game easier, but he has been on
the other side of that coin.? 

If Penn State declares itself ineligible for a bowl, would they also take
themselves out of the running for the Big Ten Championship game?
--
Mike Nolan

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 13:47:47 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:47:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I don't do this often,
	but my column on Paterno-should-go-now is ...
Message-ID: <1320868067.54113.YahooMailNeo@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

...at this link:

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/brad-wilson/index.ssf/2011/11/joe_paterno_has_to_go_now_--_not_at_the_end_of_the_season_but_right_now.html

bw

?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 13:51:17 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:51:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU reactions
Message-ID: <1320868277.69832.YahooMailNeo@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Tom's points are excellent

I assume most of 
them will be motivated to go out and win one for Joe, but there may be 
mixed feelings, 


BW: I bet a lot of mixed feelings


and there are certainly a lot of distractions.?

BW: Hard to imagine more than this week's, isn't it? It has to have an impact.


I suspect they also don't know how their fans and fellow students will react on 
game day.?


BW: No. No one does. The team will be supported. The staff? Who knows?

Speaking of game day, what the heck does PSU do there? Do you acknowledge what happened publicly in any way, like a moment of 
silence? And if Paterno is actually there coaching, it will be his last home game ever as head coach. How do you recognize that??

BW: That is why he shouldn't be there.? End it now.

bw


?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov  9 13:58:32 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:58:32 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
In-Reply-To: <1320867984.30680.YahooMailNeo@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111109195832.C017B64EBA@romaine.tssi.com>

> I think we are in uncharted waters ... the first BT championship game and 
> now this? I don't know. And if PSU does decline a bowl bid and doesn't 
> play in the BT title game ... strange.  At that point OSU's win over 
> Wisconsin becomes huge.

Not that it matters in the big picture (except to the bean counters at
all the Big Ten schools), but there are conference revenue implications 
here.  Penn State was in the hunt for a BCS at-large slot even if 
they lost the Big Ten Championship game.  

> You could make a case that PSU should play in the title game but not a 
> bowl (obligation vs. reward) but ... I don't know.

Yeah, but if they win, who goes to the Rose Bowl?

USCF is ineligible for the Pac 12 championship game as well as a 
bowl game, if Penn State takes itself out of the bowl season, then they
should opt out of the Big Ten Championship game as well.

> I do know this: if Joe coaches Sat -- which I believe firmly he should 
> not -- he better stay in the press box. The sight of him leading the 
> team on the field would be grotesquely inappropriate.

I don't recall, did he do that for the past few games where he was up
in the pressbox?
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Nov  9 14:01:30 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:01:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno should go now
In-Reply-To: <1320866949.59592.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320866849.76923.YahooMailNeo@web114720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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I think it is important to avoid confusing football with the reputation of the institution.

While this involved a retired football coach and a "retiring" football coach, as others have stated, there is no evidence that any of the players were involved.  Though some of the coaches may have been tainted by their failure to live up to their moral responsibilities to the community, there is no evidence that their actions gave the team an unfair advantage on the field (the consequence of illegal recruiting or covering up player violations).

Spanier was concerned about the institution of Penn State.  While some of the blowback would affect coaches and potentially recruiting and ticket sales, I think that was way down on the list of things that he was concerned about. 

The institution is already suffering the public pain for this incident and I'm sure it will be reflected in reduced donations, lower applications for admissions, and any of a thousand other ways that institutions trade on their reputations to generate money.

Also punishing the football players for this action doesn't make sense to me.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:29 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Paterno should go now

I agree 100%. The University needs to show that football is no longer it's #1 priority. 
?
Jim

?

________________________________
From: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno should go now

Does PSU really want the scandal following them for weeks -- which it will if Joe stays until the end of the season?

They should send Joe (and McQueary) home now, let the staff finish the season, decline a bowl bid and clean house -- which means everybody goes. Bradley, Jay Pa, Vanderlinden, everybody, and start over. They cannot build the next era on one scandal-tarred brick of the Paterno mess.

My God, did we ever think we'd write something like that? But we have to. Joe must go now. Now.

Brad Wilson





?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
_______________________________________________
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 14:05:45 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:05:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
In-Reply-To: <20111109195832.C017B64EBA@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1320867984.30680.YahooMailNeo@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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I know that greed and money will trump this, but I think it is in the best interest of the university to end this football season as soon as possible. 
?
A) Remove Paterno and McQueary today
B) Publicly announce that the rest of the staff is done at the end of the season
C) Skip the Big Ten Championship and a bowl (it sucks for the players, but life is unfair)
D) Release any and all recruits and current players who want out
?
The school has a lot of soul searching and house cleaning to do. It will take months and months so they might as well start today. 
?
Jim


________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about

> I think we are in uncharted waters ... the first BT championship game and 
> now this? I don't know. And if PSU does decline a bowl bid and doesn't 
> play in the BT title game ... strange.? At that point OSU's win over 
> Wisconsin becomes huge.

Not that it matters in the big picture (except to the bean counters at
all the Big Ten schools), but there are conference revenue implications 
here.? Penn State was in the hunt for a BCS at-large slot even if 
they lost the Big Ten Championship game.? 

> You could make a case that PSU should play in the title game but not a 
> bowl (obligation vs. reward) but ... I don't know.

Yeah, but if they win, who goes to the Rose Bowl?

USCF is ineligible for the Pac 12 championship game as well as a 
bowl game, if Penn State takes itself out of the bowl season, then they
should opt out of the Big Ten Championship game as well.

> I do know this: if Joe coaches Sat -- which I believe firmly he should 
> not -- he better stay in the press box. The sight of him leading the 
> team on the field would be grotesquely inappropriate.

I don't recall, did he do that for the past few games where he was up
in the pressbox?
--
Mike Nolan

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 14:05:45 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:05:45 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno should go now
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EE96@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <1320866849.76923.YahooMailNeo@web114720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <1320866949.59592.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I agree with Jeff. Why should the players be penalized particularly if Joe is out by playoff time ?  The team wasn't helped and none of the players committed 
 any sin.   

Perhaps the players should vote if they should be eligible or not 

Harry


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-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:01:30 
To: Jim Leonard<jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Paterno should go now

I think it is important to avoid confusing football with the reputation of the institution.

While this involved a retired football coach and a "retiring" football coach, as others have stated, there is no evidence that any of the players were involved.  Though some of the coaches may have been tainted by their failure to live up to their moral responsibilities to the community, there is no evidence that their actions gave the team an unfair advantage on the field (the consequence of illegal recruiting or covering up player violations).

Spanier was concerned about the institution of Penn State.  While some of the blowback would affect coaches and potentially recruiting and ticket sales, I think that was way down on the list of things that he was concerned about. 

The institution is already suffering the public pain for this incident and I'm sure it will be reflected in reduced donations, lower applications for admissions, and any of a thousand other ways that institutions trade on their reputations to generate money.

Also punishing the football players for this action doesn't make sense to me.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 2:29 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Paterno should go now

I agree 100%. The University needs to show that football is no longer it's #1 priority. 
?
Jim

?

________________________________
From: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 1:27 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno should go now

Does PSU really want the scandal following them for weeks -- which it will if Joe stays until the end of the season?

They should send Joe (and McQueary) home now, let the staff finish the season, decline a bowl bid and clean house -- which means everybody goes. Bradley, Jay Pa, Vanderlinden, everybody, and start over. They cannot build the next era on one scandal-tarred brick of the Paterno mess.

My God, did we ever think we'd write something like that? But we have to. Joe must go now. Now.

Brad Wilson





?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Nov  9 14:09:37 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:09:37 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
In-Reply-To: <1320869145.74227.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320867984.30680.YahooMailNeo@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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OR

Play the games.  

Give the seniors who want to play in the NFL a chance to make their case.

Give the PSU profits from the games to some fund for abused kids in general or the victims of Sandusky in particular.  Gives the football team an opportunity to help in the healing.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:06 PM
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about

I know that greed and money will trump this, but I think it is in the best interest of the university to end this football season as soon as possible. 
?
A) Remove Paterno and McQueary today
B) Publicly announce that the rest of the staff is done at the end of the season
C) Skip the Big Ten Championship and a bowl (it sucks for the players, but life is unfair)
D) Release any and all recruits and current players who want out
?
The school has a lot of soul searching and house cleaning to do. It will take months and months so they might as well start today. 
?
Jim


________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about

> I think we are in uncharted waters ... the first BT championship game and 
> now this? I don't know. And if PSU does decline a bowl bid and doesn't 
> play in the BT title game ... strange.? At that point OSU's win over 
> Wisconsin becomes huge.

Not that it matters in the big picture (except to the bean counters at
all the Big Ten schools), but there are conference revenue implications 
here.? Penn State was in the hunt for a BCS at-large slot even if 
they lost the Big Ten Championship game.? 

> You could make a case that PSU should play in the title game but not a 
> bowl (obligation vs. reward) but ... I don't know.

Yeah, but if they win, who goes to the Rose Bowl?

USCF is ineligible for the Pac 12 championship game as well as a 
bowl game, if Penn State takes itself out of the bowl season, then they
should opt out of the Big Ten Championship game as well.

> I do know this: if Joe coaches Sat -- which I believe firmly he should 
> not -- he better stay in the press box. The sight of him leading the 
> team on the field would be grotesquely inappropriate.

I don't recall, did he do that for the past few games where he was up
in the pressbox?
--
Mike Nolan

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 14:12:55 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:12:55 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
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Does anyone know the PSU equivalent to this list for NU ?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:09:37 
To: Jim Leonard<jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about

OR

Play the games.  

Give the seniors who want to play in the NFL a chance to make their case.

Give the PSU profits from the games to some fund for abused kids in general or the victims of Sandusky in particular.  Gives the football team an opportunity to help in the healing.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:06 PM
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about

I know that greed and money will trump this, but I think it is in the best interest of the university to end this football season as soon as possible. 
?
A) Remove Paterno and McQueary today
B) Publicly announce that the rest of the staff is done at the end of the season
C) Skip the Big Ten Championship and a bowl (it sucks for the players, but life is unfair)
D) Release any and all recruits and current players who want out
?
The school has a lot of soul searching and house cleaning to do. It will take months and months so they might as well start today. 
?
Jim


________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about

> I think we are in uncharted waters ... the first BT championship game and 
> now this? I don't know. And if PSU does decline a bowl bid and doesn't 
> play in the BT title game ... strange.? At that point OSU's win over 
> Wisconsin becomes huge.

Not that it matters in the big picture (except to the bean counters at
all the Big Ten schools), but there are conference revenue implications 
here.? Penn State was in the hunt for a BCS at-large slot even if 
they lost the Big Ten Championship game.? 

> You could make a case that PSU should play in the title game but not a 
> bowl (obligation vs. reward) but ... I don't know.

Yeah, but if they win, who goes to the Rose Bowl?

USCF is ineligible for the Pac 12 championship game as well as a 
bowl game, if Penn State takes itself out of the bowl season, then they
should opt out of the Big Ten Championship game as well.

> I do know this: if Joe coaches Sat -- which I believe firmly he should 
> not -- he better stay in the press box. The sight of him leading the 
> team on the field would be grotesquely inappropriate.

I don't recall, did he do that for the past few games where he was up
in the pressbox?
--
Mike Nolan

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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Nov  9 14:16:26 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:16:26 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
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I don't think they should cancel games, for the sake of the players and the
university community at large, which did nothing wrong here.

As others have said (and in my previous comments): Spanier, Paterno, and
McQueary must be relieved of their duties immediately.

If I was associated with Penn State, I would seriously consider leading a
fan boycott/lockout-protest of the game if Paterno is not removed.  If he
is removed, I'd go with some kind of "blackout" theme to show solidarity
while acknowledging the situation.  But I don't know what will really
happen as many PSU fans seem to have their heads in the sand along with
Paterno.  I guess we'll have to wait and see on Saturday at noon.

--
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Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> OR
>
> Play the games.
>
> Give the seniors who want to play in the NFL a chance to make their case.
>
> Give the PSU profits from the games to some fund for abused kids in
> general or the victims of Sandusky in particular.  Gives the football team
> an opportunity to help in the healing.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Leonard
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:06 PM
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
>
> I know that greed and money will trump this, but I think it is in the best
> interest of the university to end this football season as soon as possible.
>
> A) Remove Paterno and McQueary today
> B) Publicly announce that the rest of the staff is done at the end of the
> season
> C) Skip the Big Ten Championship and a bowl (it sucks for the players, but
> life is unfair)
> D) Release any and all recruits and current players who want out
>
> The school has a lot of soul searching and house cleaning to do. It will
> take months and months so they might as well start today.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
> To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
> Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
>
> > I think we are in uncharted waters ... the first BT championship game and
> > now this? I don't know. And if PSU does decline a bowl bid and doesn't
> > play in the BT title game ... strange.  At that point OSU's win over
> > Wisconsin becomes huge.
>
> Not that it matters in the big picture (except to the bean counters at
> all the Big Ten schools), but there are conference revenue implications
> here.  Penn State was in the hunt for a BCS at-large slot even if
> they lost the Big Ten Championship game.
>
> > You could make a case that PSU should play in the title game but not a
> > bowl (obligation vs. reward) but ... I don't know.
>
> Yeah, but if they win, who goes to the Rose Bowl?
>
> USCF is ineligible for the Pac 12 championship game as well as a
> bowl game, if Penn State takes itself out of the bowl season, then they
> should opt out of the Big Ten Championship game as well.
>
> > I do know this: if Joe coaches Sat -- which I believe firmly he should
> > not -- he better stay in the press box. The sight of him leading the
> > team on the field would be grotesquely inappropriate.
>
> I don't recall, did he do that for the past few games where he was up
> in the pressbox?
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 14:18:21 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:18:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
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?

Not that it matters in the big picture (except to the bean counters at
all the Big Ten schools), but there are conference revenue implications 
here.? Penn State was in the hunt for a BCS at-large slot even if 
they lost the Big Ten Championship game.? 

BW: And NU bowl questions too .. no PSU in a bowl, if NU gets to 6-6 or 7-5, does it move up a notch?

USCF is ineligible for the Pac 12 championship game as well as a 
bowl game, if Penn State takes itself out of the bowl season, then they
should opt out of the Big Ten Championship game as well.

BW: Could they opt out? I agree with what you say, but I don't know if they could. Maybe OSU and Wisconsin will spare us the worry.

I don't recall, did he do that for the past few games where he was up
in the pressbox?

BW: He did at NU. Since then I don;t recall, either.
--
Mike Nolan

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 14:28:11 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:28:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The PSU players
Message-ID: <1320870491.80668.YahooMailNeo@web114708.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Are stuck in an awful spot. Of course none of this is their fault in the slightest, but it certainly will affect them.


On a bowl bid: I like the idea of the money going to charity. I still wouldn't mind if PSU declined a bowl, but if it could be set up the way it was suggested here than that may not be so? bad.

The players are getting a life lesson here in how unfair and capricious life and luck can be. It is unfortunate for them, but unavoidable. I wish them the best of luck, regardless of on-field success.

Brad Wilson









?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 14:27:56 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:27:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Joe Pa
Message-ID: <8CE6D35332B759E-1774-2DB78@angweb-usd005.sysops.aol.com>

Interesting reporting about Joe Pa's meeting with his team today in ESPN online article--loved the reference to NU at the end:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7211281/penn-state-nittany-lions-joe-paterno-retire-end-season

From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Wed Nov  9 14:27:14 2011
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:27:14 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
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I suspect the victims of Sandusky will be getting profits from the game and
then some.  The lawsuits against PSU (and JoePa and other individuals) for
negligence in not doing something (and letting Sandusky stay on campus to do
it) are coming - big time.  I'll guaranty the insurance carrier(s) have been
contacted and likely are already playing a major role in this, if not, in
fact, calling the shots.  It will be interesting to see how much of it is
covered by insurance and/or how much PSU/ Pa will be out.  I'd be surprised
if JoePa does not end-up bankrupt unless PSU covers him.  That will be
another controversy.  A lot of people in Pa & PSU will be very angry if
PSU/Pa pay for the defense and any judgments or settlements against JoePa.
Others will think its ok to pay.  This story is going to go on for years.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 1:10 PM
To: Jim Leonard
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about

OR

Play the games.  

Give the seniors who want to play in the NFL a chance to make their case.

Give the PSU profits from the games to some fund for abused kids in general
or the victims of Sandusky in particular.  Gives the football team an
opportunity to help in the healing.

Jeff




From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 14:31:05 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:31:05 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] The PSU players
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Totally, totally, totally different context:

Reggie Bush case.

Ask the players at USC, who have played these last two seasons knowing they
have no bowl prospects, if life is fair.




On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Are stuck in an awful spot. Of course none of this is their fault in the
> slightest, but it certainly will affect them.
>
>
> On a bowl bid: I like the idea of the money going to charity. I still
> wouldn't mind if PSU declined a bowl, but if it could be set up the way it
> was suggested here than that may not be so  bad.
>
> The players are getting a life lesson here in how unfair and capricious
> life and luck can be. It is unfortunate for them, but unavoidable. I wish
> them the best of luck, regardless of on-field success.
>
> Brad Wilson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence
> has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid
> individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel
> contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)
>
>
> "But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not
> just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." --
> Pierre Boulez
>
>
> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov  9 14:30:57 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:30:57 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
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Let em play, they're the innocent bystanders in this one

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 20:09:37 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about

OR

Play the games.  

Give the seniors who want to play in the NFL a chance to make their case.

Give the PSU profits from the games to some fund for abused kids in general or the victims of Sandusky in particular.  Gives the football team an opportunity to help in the healing.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:06 PM
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about

I know that greed and money will trump this, but I think it is in the best interest of the university to end this football season as soon as possible. 
?
A) Remove Paterno and McQueary today
B) Publicly announce that the rest of the staff is done at the end of the season
C) Skip the Big Ten Championship and a bowl (it sucks for the players, but life is unfair)
D) Release any and all recruits and current players who want out
?
The school has a lot of soul searching and house cleaning to do. It will take months and months so they might as well start today. 
?
Jim


________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about

> I think we are in uncharted waters ... the first BT championship game and 
> now this? I don't know. And if PSU does decline a bowl bid and doesn't 
> play in the BT title game ... strange.? At that point OSU's win over 
> Wisconsin becomes huge.

Not that it matters in the big picture (except to the bean counters at
all the Big Ten schools), but there are conference revenue implications 
here.? Penn State was in the hunt for a BCS at-large slot even if 
they lost the Big Ten Championship game.? 

> You could make a case that PSU should play in the title game but not a 
> bowl (obligation vs. reward) but ... I don't know.

Yeah, but if they win, who goes to the Rose Bowl?

USCF is ineligible for the Pac 12 championship game as well as a 
bowl game, if Penn State takes itself out of the bowl season, then they
should opt out of the Big Ten Championship game as well.

> I do know this: if Joe coaches Sat -- which I believe firmly he should 
> not -- he better stay in the press box. The sight of him leading the 
> team on the field would be grotesquely inappropriate.

I don't recall, did he do that for the past few games where he was up
in the pressbox?
--
Mike Nolan

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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 15:06:47 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:06:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] One assumption I have made
Message-ID: <1320872807.45201.YahooMailNeo@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have been very critical of Paterno and McQueary in the past 48 hours. I keep wondering "how could they not have taken action". Then it occured to me, it is entirely possible that one or both men have a history of molestation in their own personal lives. If either were abused as children (and I hope to hell that isn't the case) then their interrpretation of right and wrong could be greatly skewed. Still, they and others at Penn State failed to take appropriate action. There is plenty of blame to go around. 
?
Jim

From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov  9 15:10:53 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:10:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
In-Reply-To: <20111109195832.C017B64EBA@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <20111109211053.587F264EA0@romaine.tssi.com>

> Not that it matters in the big picture (except to the bean counters at
> all the Big Ten schools), but there are conference revenue implications 
> here.  Penn State was in the hunt for a BCS at-large slot even if 
> they lost the Big Ten Championship game.  

More bowl thoughts:

The Cats still need two more wins (as does Purdue) to be bowl eligible,
but if neither school gets to 6 then the conference would only have 
8 bowl-eligible teams and 9 bowl committements to fill, and that
would drop to 7 teams if Penn State opts out of a bowl game.

So, assume for now that the Cats win 2 more games.  (A clean sweep
of November would be better, if Michigan State loses in Iowa City
could they fall apart?)  

If Penn State opts out of a bowl game, then all the teams below them 
would presumably move up a slot, which would likely send us to the Ticket 
City Bowl (again) against a Conference USA team instead of Detroit and the MAC.  

Some sites have Tulsa projected for the Ticket City Bowl, would
Northwestern be more likely to beat them than Toledo (projected
for the Pizza Bowl), which has averaged 63 points in its last two games, 
though winning just one of them? 

Can a bowl choose not to pick a team from its committed conferences?
--
Mike Nolan


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 15:18:48 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:18:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
In-Reply-To: <20111109211053.587F264EA0@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111109195832.C017B64EBA@romaine.tssi.com>
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?

> Can a bowl choose not to pick a team from its committed conferences?


I doubt it.?

It's hard for me to imagine PSU turning down a bowl bid. On the other hand, how many PSU fans are going to want to travel to a bowl game this year?

One other thing to note:?

PSU faces 3 pretty tough games with Nebraska at home, followed by OSU and Wisconsin on the road.?So a championship game bid is far from a lock.?

In fact, even without any controversy, I'd probably figure them to lose two out of three. I'm guessing the folks in the B1G office are going to be quietly hoping they drop all three.

Tom


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 15:19:06 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:19:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The PSU players
Message-ID: <31480.4cd46503.3bec484a@aol.com>

The PSU football program is not just wrong and immoral, it is criminal.  
Cancel the games for crying out loud. Anyone associated with PSU football 
needs  to pay the ultimate price, Sandusky needs to go into the general 
population at  Joliet where all his fantasies will come to fruition.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov  9 15:20:43 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:20:43 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
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References: <20111109211053.587F264EA0@romaine.tssi.com>
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I'm sure they have out clause if the conf with the tie in is out eligible  
teams

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about

> Not that it matters in the big picture (except to the bean counters at
> all the Big Ten schools), but there are conference revenue implications 
> here.  Penn State was in the hunt for a BCS at-large slot even if 
> they lost the Big Ten Championship game.  

More bowl thoughts:

The Cats still need two more wins (as does Purdue) to be bowl eligible,
but if neither school gets to 6 then the conference would only have 
8 bowl-eligible teams and 9 bowl committements to fill, and that
would drop to 7 teams if Penn State opts out of a bowl game.

So, assume for now that the Cats win 2 more games.  (A clean sweep
of November would be better, if Michigan State loses in Iowa City
could they fall apart?)  

If Penn State opts out of a bowl game, then all the teams below them 
would presumably move up a slot, which would likely send us to the Ticket 
City Bowl (again) against a Conference USA team instead of Detroit and the  
MAC.  

Some sites have Tulsa projected for the Ticket City Bowl, would
Northwestern be more likely to beat them than Toledo (projected
for the Pizza Bowl), which has averaged 63 points in its last two games, 
though winning just one of them? 

Can a bowl choose not to pick a team from its committed conferences?
--
Mike Nolan

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From jintsjason at me.com  Wed Nov  9 15:28:59 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:28:59 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] =?windows-1252?q?PSU_and_how_this_could_have_been_so_?=
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One of the biggest issues here (and in hindsight, perhaps the biggest issue) that was finally (and thankfully) addressed yesterday by the PA legislature, is that employees of state educational institutions are not mandatory reporters of sexual and/or child abuse to child services in the manner that doctors, therapists, Psy D's, police and EMT's are. This is ridiculous. Reporting is confidential and merely gets the ball rolling and lets the experts decide how to move forward. If this was instituted, then there would have been no long chain of information to follow. No one would have known who blew the whistle on Sandusky and there would have been no fear of retribution. The law is cut and dry?if you suspect it, call those that know how to determine and let them follow up. If you suspect nothing was done and that it's still going on, call again. Again, confidentiality reigns supreme in these instances. As an MFT intern, we have this on the very top of our scope of practice guidelines.

In this instance, there would have been scandalous repercussions for Sandusky. Not so much for the University, Joe Pa or the witnessing janitors, GA's, etc. 


Jason Singer
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jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 9, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Jim Leonard wrote:

> I have been very critical of Paterno and McQueary in the past 48 hours. I keep wondering "how could they not have taken action". Then it occured to me, it is entirely possible that one or both men have a history of molestation in their own personal lives. If either were abused as children (and I hope to hell that isn't the case) then their interrpretation of right and wrong could be greatly skewed. Still, they and others at Penn State failed to take appropriate action. There is plenty of blame to go around. 
>  
> Jim
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From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 15:38:06 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:38:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz's Reaction
Message-ID: <8CE6D3F0082B673-A20-1EAA2F@webmail-d154.sysops.aol.com>


  
The Trib has a story on the B10 Coaches' Conference Call today:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-big-ten-coaches-react-to-paterno-scandal-20111108,0,7066121.story
 
Joe Pa, of course, was in absentia.  Fitz's rather cryptic and very brief comment speaks volumes, especially in view of the more comprehensive comments from his coaching peers.  He must be in total shock, as one of his heroes is shown to have flaws that the Greeks would have waxed poetic about.


Anybody other than Yours Truly fearful that when the (asbestos) dust settles, the PSU Board of Trustees and whoever becomes their AD will reach out to Fitz to clean up the mess?  His reputation for integrity will be a big selling point, not to mention his ability to recruit, coach and motivate.  Whether he would even consider a gig in (un) Happy Valley at this point is certainly in doubt.  But he has to be in the "mentioned" category when the time comes to fill Joe Pa's (not quite as) legendary shoes.  

As for Bielema, he once again demonstrates his stupidity, vacuity, and general lack of sensitivity.  Saying that "if there are things that have brought (negative) situations to people?s lives, you hope everyone there protects them and looks out for their best interests" is saying nothing.  This was child-molestation, not the euphemistically styled "(negative) situations".  What a supreme idiot!  BB would have been better off saying nothing or just going "Duh".  Would you entrust your football-playing son to that lout?  Sandusky's counsel better hope he has a jury full of Bielemas.

Paul Levinson


 
 



From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov  9 15:39:30 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:39:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports]
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The grand jury reports that McQueen was recognized in the locker room. I'm sure that was intimidating.

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Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 21:28:59 GMT+00:00
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU and how this could have been so  easily avoided?.

One of the biggest issues here (and in hindsight, perhaps the biggest issue) that was finally (and thankfully) addressed yesterday by the PA legislature, is that employees of state educational institutions are not mandatory reporters of sexual and/or child abuse to child services in the manner that doctors, therapists, Psy D's, police and EMT's are. This is ridiculous. Reporting is confidential and merely gets the ball rolling and lets the experts decide how to move forward. If this was instituted, then there would have been no long chain of information to follow. No one would have known who blew the whistle on Sandusky and there would have been no fear of retribution. The law is cut and dry?if you suspect it, call those that know how to determine and let them follow up. If you suspect nothing was done and that it's still going on, call again. Again, confidentiality reigns supreme in these instances. As an MFT intern, we have this on the very top of our scope of practice guidelines.

In this instance, there would have been scandalous repercussions for Sandusky. Not so much for the University, Joe Pa or the witnessing janitors, GA's, etc. 


Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 9, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Jim Leonard wrote:

> I have been very critical of Paterno and McQueary in the past 48 hours. I keep wondering "how could they not have taken action". Then it occured to me, it is entirely possible that one or both men have a history of molestation in their own personal lives. If either were abused as children (and I hope to hell that isn't the case) then their interrpretation of right and wrong could be greatly skewed. Still, they and others at Penn State failed to take appropriate action. There is plenty of blame to go around. 
>  
> Jim
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 15:50:26 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:50:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz's Reaction
Message-ID: <6d3a7.43594e35.3bec4fa1@aol.com>

the big ten coaches reaction reminds me of the answer Earl Long gave when  
asked about a typical bayou scandal "I don't know nothin about nothin,  
especially that"

From e-west at northwestern.edu  Wed Nov  9 15:55:08 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:55:08 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports]
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Thank you, Jason, for this perspective. People are talking about the children who suffered because McQueary "didn't do enough," but I also worry about the future kids who will suffer because no graduate assistant will want to report anything at all for fear of becoming another McQueary. Changing things on a systemic level may eventually be more productive than focusing on scapegoats and "should'ves."


Eric West
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Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:29 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU and how this could have been so easily avoided?.

One of the biggest issues here (and in hindsight, perhaps the biggest issue) that was finally (and thankfully) addressed yesterday by the PA legislature, is that employees of state educational institutions are not mandatory reporters of sexual and/or child abuse to child services in the manner that doctors, therapists, Psy D's, police and EMT's are. This is ridiculous. Reporting is confidential and merely gets the ball rolling and lets the experts decide how to move forward. If this was instituted, then there would have been no long chain of information to follow. No one would have known who blew the whistle on Sandusky and there would have been no fear of retribution. The law is cut and dry?if you suspect it, call those that know how to determine and let them follow up. If you suspect nothing was done and that it's still going on, call again. Again, confidentiality reigns supreme in these instances. As an MFT intern, we have this on the very top of our scope of practice guidelines.

In this instance, there would have been scandalous repercussions for Sandusky. Not so much for the University, Joe Pa or the witnessing janitors, GA's, etc. 


Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com


From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Nov  9 15:57:50 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:57:50 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports]
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<One of the biggest issues here (and in hindsight, perhaps the biggest 
issue) that was finally (and thankfully) addressed yesterday by the PA 
legislature, is that employees of state educational institutions are not 
mandatory reporters of sexual and/or child abuse to child services in the 
manner that doctors, therapists, Psy D's, police and EMT's are.

You are wrong as far as public school teachers are concerned.  They are 
required to report abuse in Pennsylvania.  College teachers I can't speak 
to.

There is a lot of sanctimonious first-stone tossing going on here.  Isn't it 
amazing how everyone knows exactly what should have been done - after the 
fact.

Let's say you're a third-grade teacher.  (I happen to live with one who 
looking forward to retirement at the end of the school year.)  She suspects 
abuse of a student and reports it to the principal.  Some time goes by, and 
she hears nothing.  So, she checks back with the principal, who tells her, 
"It's being handled."  Each time she checks back, the principal says the 
situation is under control.  Her legal responsibility has ended, yet she 
still sees the possibility of the child being abused.  What does she do? 
Should she go over the boss's head to the school board president or perhaps 
contact the police?  There's a real job risker, not to mention offering 
fodder for a potentially crippling lawsuit if she can't prove the 
allegations, which aren't her job to prove.  The law could help by 
protecting teachers if they report suspected abuse whether their suspicions 
are right or wrong.  (They may; I don't know, but when did that ever stop a 
mega-million dollar lawsuit.)  But what if the child isn't being abused, and 
the problem is something altogether different?  The teacher may be trained 
to look for signs, but she isn't a trained psychiatrist.  A "mere" 
investigation of sexual abuse could destroy lives.  Ask the McMartin family 
about that.

It's not quite so easy before the fact.


From dmangoub at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 16:04:39 2011
From: dmangoub at aol.com (David Mangoubi)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:04:39 -0500 (EST)
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 That could be the case at times. 

In this situation McQueary witnessed the child rape and Paterno knew that McQueary witnessed the child rape.  That is more than suspecting something.

Dave


 

 

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To: Jason Singer <jintsjason at me.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>; judway <judway at comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 3:58 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] PSU and how this could have been so easily avoided?.


<One of the biggest issues here (and in hindsight, perhaps the biggest 
issue) that was finally (and thankfully) addressed yesterday by the PA 
legislature, is that employees of state educational institutions are not 
mandatory reporters of sexual and/or child abuse to child services in the 
manner that doctors, therapists, Psy D's, police and EMT's are.

You are wrong as far as public school teachers are concerned.  They are 
required to report abuse in Pennsylvania.  College teachers I can't speak 
to.

There is a lot of sanctimonious first-stone tossing going on here.  Isn't it 
amazing how everyone knows exactly what should have been done - after the 
fact.

Let's say you're a third-grade teacher.  (I happen to live with one who 
looking forward to retirement at the end of the school year.)  She suspects 
abuse of a student and reports it to the principal.  Some time goes by, and 
she hears nothing.  So, she checks back with the principal, who tells her, 
"It's being handled."  Each time she checks back, the principal says the 
situation is under control.  Her legal responsibility has ended, yet she 
still sees the possibility of the child being abused.  What does she do? 
Should she go over the boss's head to the school board president or perhaps 
contact the police?  There's a real job risker, not to mention offering 
fodder for a potentially crippling lawsuit if she can't prove the 
allegations, which aren't her job to prove.  The law could help by 
protecting teachers if they report suspected abuse whether their suspicions 
are right or wrong.  (They may; I don't know, but when did that ever stop a 
mega-million dollar lawsuit.)  But what if the child isn't being abused, and 
the problem is something altogether different?  The teacher may be trained 
to look for signs, but she isn't a trained psychiatrist.  A "mere" 
investigation of sexual abuse could destroy lives.  Ask the McMartin family 
about that.

It's not quite so easy before the fact.

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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 16:13:45 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:13:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Gee, Dennis, I don't know about you
Message-ID: <1320876825.61719.YahooMailNeo@web114709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

but when I see a crime committed, or am told of one by a credible witness, especially something such as child rape, I phone the police, not my supervisor at work.? 


That's the issue here plain and simple ... and remember PSU banned Sandusky from bringing children on the campus in 2002, so they damned well something bad was happening -- and did nothing.? Morality has its own dictates far beyond the law. 


Brad Wilson











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From jintsjason at me.com  Wed Nov  9 16:17:52 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 14:17:52 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports]
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Dennis, you miss my point and I apologize if I wasn't specific. The school teacher in your example, would never have to go to the Principal. She reports directly to DCFS. DCFS then goes to the principal and says "a report has been made". No mention of the teachers name. Now, of course, chances are she would first go the principal, but if the perpetrator is still around kids, she can then go to DCFS, again, confidentially and pursue it then. No need to worry about job. And, of course, my reaction is I would happily risk my job if it meant shielding children who remain in harms way, especially if I have actually SEEN the abuse with my own eyes.

As for being sanctimonious, not so much. Just providing a different perspective of how this might have ended in 1999 at first knowledge of the crime. 

And, thanks Roy. I know they made this mandatory for PSU teachers as of two days ago. I should have added primary and secondary school teachers to my list of mandatory reporters.

Jason Singer
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jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 9, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Dennis W. Brandt wrote:

> <One of the biggest issues here (and in hindsight, perhaps the biggest issue) that was finally (and thankfully) addressed yesterday by the PA legislature, is that employees of state educational institutions are not mandatory reporters of sexual and/or child abuse to child services in the manner that doctors, therapists, Psy D's, police and EMT's are.
> 
> You are wrong as far as public school teachers are concerned.  They are required to report abuse in Pennsylvania.  College teachers I can't speak to.
> 
> There is a lot of sanctimonious first-stone tossing going on here.  Isn't it amazing how everyone knows exactly what should have been done - after the fact.
> 
> Let's say you're a third-grade teacher.  (I happen to live with one who looking forward to retirement at the end of the school year.)  She suspects abuse of a student and reports it to the principal.  Some time goes by, and she hears nothing.  So, she checks back with the principal, who tells her, "It's being handled."  Each time she checks back, the principal says the situation is under control.  Her legal responsibility has ended, yet she still sees the possibility of the child being abused.  What does she do? Should she go over the boss's head to the school board president or perhaps contact the police?  There's a real job risker, not to mention offering fodder for a potentially crippling lawsuit if she can't prove the allegations, which aren't her job to prove.  The law could help by protecting teachers if they report suspected abuse whether their suspicions are right or wrong.  (They may; I don't know, but when did that ever stop a mega-million dollar lawsuit.)  But what if the child isn't being abused, and the problem is something altogether different?  The teacher may be trained to look for signs, but she isn't a trained psychiatrist.  A "mere" investigation of sexual abuse could destroy lives.  Ask the McMartin family about that.
> 
> It's not quite so easy before the fact.
> 


From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Nov  9 16:30:27 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:30:27 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports]
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Dennis, you miss my point and I apologize if I wasn't specific. The school teacher in your example, would never have to go to the Principal. She reports directly to DCFS. DCFS then goes to the principal and says "a report has been made". 

It was a lot points that I was not missing.  And what you say is not true in Pennsylvania.  Here is the law.  I added the bold font.

Staff members of institutions, etc.--Whenever a person is required to
report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a member of the staff of a
medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency,
that person shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution,
school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge.
Upon notification, the person in charge or the designated agent, if any, shall
assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a
report to be made in accordance with section 6313. This chapter does not
require more than one report from any such institution, school, facility or
agency.

You tell the principal, not the cops.  If the principal is the one whom you suspect is guilty of abuse, you tell his or her boss.  The law is clear.

I also found this.

A person, hospital, institution, school, facility, agency or
agency employee that participates in good faith in the making
of a report . . . shall have immunity from civil and criminal liability that
might otherwise result by reason of those actions.

So, my wife is safe from prosecution, but that doesn't mean that she is safe from retaliation from the school if she were to go over the administration's head.




From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 16:31:20 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:31:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports]
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According to a friend of mine who is married to a social worker any person  
in Florida who suspects child abuse is required by law to report it to  
children's services, we surmised that it is probably that way in every state,  
guess not.

From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov  9 16:49:22 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 16:49:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <C3FC707106474F2F833057F8ED0271F3@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <20111109224923.0D48B64ECB@romaine.tssi.com>

> You tell the principal, not the cops.  If the principal is the one whom you suspect is guilty of abuse, you tell his or her boss.  The law is clear.
> 
> I also found this.
> 
> A person, hospital, institution, school, facility, agency or
> agency employee that participates in good faith in the making
> of a report . . . shall have immunity from civil and criminal liability that
> might otherwise result by reason of those actions.
> 
> So, my wife is safe from prosecution, but that doesn't mean that she is safe from retaliation from the school if she were to go over the administration's head.

I can tell you from professional experience that having immunity from 
criminal and civil liability under the law does NOT protect someone 
from being named as a defendant in a lawsuit.  And the law doesn't
pay for the lawyers to get the suit dismissed, either.
--
Mike Nolan
--


From jintsjason at me.com  Wed Nov  9 17:02:31 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 15:02:31 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU and how this could have been so easily avoided..
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Why so argumentative when we're arguing the same point. Actually you just proved my point. I KNOW it's not true in Pennsylvania. If it were, a lot of this might have been avoided (which was my original point?that you may have missed?again, probably my bad). 

It's ridiculous to have to go to a supervisor (solely) when you see or have a very good reason to suspect abuse toward children and risk retaliation. In the rest of the non-education world (my previous list) you do NOT go to your supervisor. You go directly to DCFS. If the law had been changed previously (as it just has), then you do NOT go to your supervisor. Make sense? They needed to change the law and they have since made moves toward doing so. Thanks for the backup.

Cheers!

Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 9, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Dennis W. Brandt wrote:

> Dennis, you miss my point and I apologize if I wasn't specific. The school teacher in your example, would never have to go to the Principal. She reports directly to DCFS. DCFS then goes to the principal and says "a report has been made".
>  
> It was a lot points that I was not missing.  And what you say is not true in Pennsylvania.  Here is the law.  I added the bold font.
>  
> Staff members of institutions, etc.--Whenever a person is required to
> report under subsection (b) in the capacity as a member of the staff of a
> medical or other public or private institution, school, facility or agency,
> that person shall immediately notify the person in charge of the institution,
> school, facility or agency or the designated agent of the person in charge.
> Upon notification, the person in charge or the designated agent, if any, shall
> assume the responsibility and have the legal obligation to report or cause a
> report to be made in accordance with section 6313. This chapter does not
> require more than one report from any such institution, school, facility or
> agency.
>  
> You tell the principal, not the cops.  If the principal is the one whom you suspect is guilty of abuse, you tell his or her boss.  The law is clear.
>  
> I also found this.
>  
> A person, hospital, institution, school, facility, agency or
> agency employee that participates in good faith in the making
> of a report . . . shall have immunity from civil and criminal liability that
> might otherwise result by reason of those actions.
>  
> So, my wife is safe from prosecution, but that doesn't mean that she is safe from retaliation from the school if she were to go over the administration's head.


From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov  9 17:08:38 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:08:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU and how this could have been so easily avoided..
In-Reply-To: <24311696-22BE-4A13-A426-64C42233DEC1@me.com>
Message-ID: <20111109230838.E73B564EF4@romaine.tssi.com>

> Why so argumentative when we're arguing the same point. Actually you just 
> proved my point. I KNOW it's not true in Pennsylvania. If it were, a lot of 
> this might have been avoided (which was my original point, that you may have
> missed, again, probably my bad). 

Jason, has PA actually changed the law this week?  I can't find any
news stories confirming that a bill has been passed and signed into law
recently.

I see where the law was changed some four years ago, though.  
--
Mike Nolan


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Nov  9 17:14:03 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:14:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU and how this could have been so easily avoided..
In-Reply-To: <20111109230838.E73B564EF4@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <24311696-22BE-4A13-A426-64C42233DEC1@me.com>
 <20111109230838.E73B564EF4@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu7u00nqJStB=917ncOgYxXbc0eZOHP+ebf_8kpoUtrigw@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a full analysis of Paterno's legal exposure from SI:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/michael_mccann/11/09/joe.paterno/index.html

"Under Pennsylvania's Child Protective Services Law, certain individuals,
including teachers and school administrators, have a legal obligation to
immediately report suspected child abuse to child protective services or
law enforcement, or to a "person in charge" (supervisor), who must then
report the alleged abuse to the authorities. The reporting must be honest.
When in writing, the reporting must also include known information about
the nature and extent of the suspected abuse, along with other material
details."

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > Why so argumentative when we're arguing the same point. Actually you just
> > proved my point. I KNOW it's not true in Pennsylvania. If it were, a lot
> of
> > this might have been avoided (which was my original point, that you may
> have
> > missed, again, probably my bad).
>
> Jason, has PA actually changed the law this week?  I can't find any
> news stories confirming that a bill has been passed and signed into law
> recently.
>
> I see where the law was changed some four years ago, though.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 17:29:52 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:29:52 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Some thoughts
Message-ID: <CAN7senhd51pJmWSbB+719RKoumEL_hu7ei4h9U5NJSQ_0UD6MQ@mail.gmail.com>

My thoughts:

I agree with Brad Wilson entirely. (Kudos on a good column, Brad.)

As much good as Joe Paterno has done over the years, and he has, he made a
grievous error in 2002 when he did not report what happened to the police.
Moreover, it seems incomprehensible that Sandusky was allowed continued
access to the Penn State football facilities, and thus to more potential
victims.

Putting aside the criminal case, and the issue of Sandusky's guilt, the
civil liability issues are profound. The Board of Trustees should recognize
that, and sever ties with Paterno immediately.

As to whether the NCAA will be "involved": Mark Emmert has already issued a
statement. Whether it will be "involved' beyond that remains to be seen. To
be obvious: this is a really, really big deal -- the front page of the New
York Times, the sort of thing that tends to get a lot of people who
ordinarily wouldn't pay attention to college football suddenly interested.
That means the NCAA might have to get "involved" in ways it might not
otherwise. Let's see.

A further note after watching video of last night's rally outside the
Paterno house. This was another opportunity that Joe Paterno, who is
supposed to be an educator, missed. What he should have done was step
outside and tell the students, "Go home -- your thoughts should not be with
me right now -- the thoughts of all good people should be with the victims
in this terrible affair -- now, young people, go home."

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 17:32:57 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:32:57 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
Message-ID: <523842DB-AFCC-473A-A321-1B9611D1B8DA@gmail.com>

Today was early signing day and I see where one of our two recruits, a reputed scoring machine, is Kale Abrahamson.  Alan, any relation?
Mark

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 17:34:46 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:34:46 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
In-Reply-To: <523842DB-AFCC-473A-A321-1B9611D1B8DA@gmail.com>
References: <523842DB-AFCC-473A-A321-1B9611D1B8DA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAN7senhSfNMu-Q0Gt-aW7xzA2OGuUcX4PSP7Puk_3oVi8EaRgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Nope. I wish. Then I could get front-row tix to our NCAA tourney
appearances :)

Seriously -- he's from Iowa -- I grew up in Ohio -- our families are not
related ...

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Mark Ament <sportsbiz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Today was early signing day and I see where one of our two recruits, a
> reputed scoring machine, is Kale Abrahamson.  Alan, any relation?
> Mark
>
>  Mark S. Ament
> sportsbiz at gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Nov  9 17:35:50 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:35:50 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
In-Reply-To: <523842DB-AFCC-473A-A321-1B9611D1B8DA@gmail.com>
References: <523842DB-AFCC-473A-A321-1B9611D1B8DA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu4S-yMLqPHuqcpc_-o-uygaaMjdJpwVg+ggzDnznk10Hw@mail.gmail.com>

Side note on signing day: Northwestern announced via Twitter that all
offers going out today will be of the 4 year variety, as now allowed by the
recent NCAA rule change (though NU noted it always treated scholarship
offers like 4 year commitments even though they were technically for 1 year
and renewable).

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Mark Ament <sportsbiz at gmail.com> wrote:

> Today was early signing day and I see where one of our two recruits, a
> reputed scoring machine, is Kale Abrahamson.  Alan, any relation?
> Mark
>
>  Mark S. Ament
> sportsbiz at gmail.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 18:16:33 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:16:33 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu4S-yMLqPHuqcpc_-o-uygaaMjdJpwVg+ggzDnznk10Hw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <523842DB-AFCC-473A-A321-1B9611D1B8DA@gmail.com>
 <CAAxRJu4S-yMLqPHuqcpc_-o-uygaaMjdJpwVg+ggzDnznk10Hw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FBA169D9-3936-4739-9616-C6E535731E5C@gmail.com>

Good for them, even if it is no real change in policy it's good to make it public.

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Nov 9, 2011, at 6:35 PM, Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:

> Side note on signing day: Northwestern announced via Twitter that all offers going out today will be of the 4 year variety, as now allowed by the recent NCAA rule change (though NU noted it always treated scholarship offers like 4 year commitments even though they were technically for 1 year and renewable).
> 
> --
> Jonathan Hodges
> Contributor, HailToPurple
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> Twitter: @hailtopurple
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:32 PM, Mark Ament <sportsbiz at gmail.com> wrote:
> Today was early signing day and I see where one of our two recruits, a reputed scoring machine, is Kale Abrahamson.  Alan, any relation?
> Mark
> 
>  Mark S. Ament
> sportsbiz at gmail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 19:59:13 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:59:13 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
Message-ID: <3458b.54b81cb.3bec89f0@aol.com>

Like the Roman Catholic Church, Penn State is an arrogant institution  
hiding behind its mystique, an insular world that protects its own, and operates 
 outside of societal norms as long as victories and cash continue to flow  
bountifully.Penn State rakes in $70 million a year from its football  program

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 20:13:13 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:13:13 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
In-Reply-To: <3458b.54b81cb.3bec89f0@aol.com>
References: <3458b.54b81cb.3bec89f0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAN7senhZtTr8cZmmCkTPgEM7MLSVxkmseVD6SQCBDAA_kM-FwA@mail.gmail.com>

So this is what Neil Kaplan and I were just talking about.

If we were advising the governor of Pennsylvania, we would tell the
governor:

1. Relieve Mr. Paterno of his duties immediately.

2. Ditto the university president.

3. Cancel the remainder of the 2011 Penn State football season.

4. Cancel the 2012 Penn State football season.

5. The state will honor the scholarships of those young men on the football
team who wish to stay at Penn State. Those who wish to leave and pursue
other opportunities will be released to do so.

6. Announce that you are taking these steps because the university's
leaders have clearly lost their moral compass.

7. It is going to take some time for everyone to appropriately again
understand how football fits into the scheme of the state's flagship
university. Thus: no football until 2013.

8. Understandably, this means complications and a raft of details to be
worked out. Today is not the day for details. Those details will be worked
out, with the Big Ten and with our other partners.

Neil and I believe that if the governor was to take this sort of decisive
action it would be applauded around the United States. Thoughts? Comments?













On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:

> Like the Roman Catholic Church, Penn State is an arrogant institution
> hiding behind its mystique, an insular world that protects its own, and
> operates
>  outside of societal norms as long as victories and cash continue to flow
> bountifully.Penn State rakes in $70 million a year from its football
>  program
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Nov  9 20:46:29 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:46:29 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
References: <3458b.54b81cb.3bec89f0@aol.com>
 <CAN7senhZtTr8cZmmCkTPgEM7MLSVxkmseVD6SQCBDAA_kM-FwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BA3301A45B847DC90085CD1E0D82748@dennismachine>

> So this is what Neil Kaplan and I were just talking about.
>
> If we were advising the governor of Pennsylvania, we would tell the
> governor:
>
> 1. Relieve Mr. Paterno of his duties immediately.
>
> 2. Ditto the university president.
>
> 3. Cancel the remainder of the 2011 Penn State football season.
>
> 4. Cancel the 2012 Penn State football season.
>
> 5. The state will honor the scholarships of those young men on the 
> football
> team who wish to stay at Penn State. Those who wish to leave and pursue
> other opportunities will be released to do so.
>
> 6. Announce that you are taking these steps because the university's
> leaders have clearly lost their moral compass.
>
> 7. It is going to take some time for everyone to appropriately again
> understand how football fits into the scheme of the state's flagship
> university. Thus: no football until 2013.
>
> 8. Understandably, this means complications and a raft of details to be
> worked out. Today is not the day for details. Those details will be worked
> out, with the Big Ten and with our other partners.
>
> Neil and I believe that if the governor was to take this sort of decisive
> action it would be applauded around the United States. Thoughts? Comments?

I doubt the governor has the unilateral authority to do as you ask, and I'm 
damn sure he would not be reelected if he did.  State College would take a 
huge economic hit, and those residents are not responsible for anything that 
happened.  And why suspend just football games?  The alleged guilty parties 
are those who oversaw the entire Penn State sports program.

This is going WAY overboard.  Punish those responsible, not millions of 
people who are not.  As I said before, we need think with the adrenal 
cortex, not the adrenal. 


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 20:51:06 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:51:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EE97@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <1320867984.30680.YahooMailNeo@web114702.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <20111109195832.C017B64EBA@romaine.tssi.com>
 <1320869145.74227.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EE97@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <1320893466.57345.YahooMailNeo@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

We seem to be spiraling out of control on this list faster than the media circus in State College.

Why on earth would PSU not play in the bowl game or Big Ten title game?

Should PSU cancel classes because their president is about to be fired? Should all sports teams cancel their weekend plans because the AD will be out soon as well? If the basketball coach gets arrested for DUI, would the hoops team cancel its season???

This is starting to get a bit far fetched. NO player on the football team is involved in this -- why punish them?

Whether Paterno finishes the season with them or not is another matter -- getting rid of him now seems to let the school off the hook and dim the spotlight, finishing with him certainly could lead to awkward moments at the Big Ten or Rose Bowl trophy presentations. But most of the coaching staff and all of the players were not involved here - why punish them?

I agree that because of the publicity, PSU is no longer a B(C)S at-large candidate (though an SEC school with a lengthy police blotter is fine apparently), but they should still finish their season and go to whatever bowl the team earns.

I hate to keep comparing it to the Catholic Church, but as I said earlier, this is really more of a moral scandal like that than an athletic one. But were all the congregations shuttered? Were the parishes of the priests charged disbanded?

Let's not get so far caught up in the media circus that we forget who the criminals are here. Paterno has his moral mistakes to live with, but he is not legally charged with anything, the facts are not all out yet and it doesn't involve anything with the football players or team on the field. He may not deserve to be the coach, but they deserve to play!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 20:51:31 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:51:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
In-Reply-To: <CAN7senhZtTr8cZmmCkTPgEM7MLSVxkmseVD6SQCBDAA_kM-FwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3458b.54b81cb.3bec89f0@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <1320893491.32630.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I would include removing Mike McQueary immediately and promising that none of the current coaches will be on staff when football returns.

I like the idea of skipping a season to get the ship in order, but I can't see that happening.

Most of you don't know me personally, but I am truly disturbed by this story. The whole thing makes me sick.

Jim




________________________________
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
To: MHRJGScott at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football

So this is what Neil Kaplan and I were just talking about.

If we were advising the governor of Pennsylvania, we would tell the
governor:

1. Relieve Mr. Paterno of his duties immediately.

2. Ditto the university president.

3. Cancel the remainder of the 2011 Penn State football season.

4. Cancel the 2012 Penn State football season.

5. The state will honor the scholarships of those young men on the football
team who wish to stay at Penn State. Those who wish to leave and pursue
other opportunities will be released to do so.

6. Announce that you are taking these steps because the university's
leaders have clearly lost their moral compass.

7. It is going to take some time for everyone to appropriately again
understand how football fits into the scheme of the state's flagship
university. Thus: no football until 2013.

8. Understandably, this means complications and a raft of details to be
worked out. Today is not the day for details. Those details will be worked
out, with the Big Ten and with our other partners.

Neil and I believe that if the governor was to take this sort of decisive
action it would be applauded around the United States. Thoughts? Comments?













On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:

> Like the Roman Catholic Church, Penn State is an arrogant institution
> hiding behind its mystique, an insular world that protects its own, and
> operates
>? outside of societal norms as long as victories and cash continue to flow
> bountifully.Penn State rakes in $70 million a year from its football
>? program
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 21:11:37 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:11:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports]
 =?utf-8?q?PSU_and_how_this_could_have_been_so_easily_?=
 =?utf-8?b?YXZvaWRlZOKApi4=?=
In-Reply-To: <8E953BB43AA14917B0FB6BE79558AB6F@dennismachine>
References: <1320872807.45201.YahooMailNeo@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <FFE4B7BF-0919-4112-AE7A-021E522C7208@me.com>
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Message-ID: <1320894697.93410.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Well put, Dennis. We are casting stones awfully quickly and without all of the information.

I don't think Paterno would be as intimidated as the teacher in the scandal ... but it certainly makes me understand (not JUSTIFY, but understand) McQueary's actions.

You're a grad assistant who stumbles onto something in the locker room and is recognized.
It involves a campus legend and someone with friends in high places.
You report it to your boss, a living legend in the sport.
You wait and don't see anything being done - are you going to press the issue?


Like I said, there's a reason whistleblowers are a rarity.

A few years ago, our school district had a sex scandal involving the assistant principal and a teenage student. The damning evidence came in text messages. The weekend before this broke, a colleague and I had been at a school training workshop with the AP who was accused. He was constantly on his phone during the conference, but every once and awhile told us the basketball game score, so we thought he was just checking scores a lot. Hindsight ... we were blindsided by it when it came out, but some others weren't so surprised (which raised some questions in my mind why they hadn't said anything).

The main point to me bringing this up, though, is that the office secretary who caught the text messages when she confiscated the student's phone on an unrelated offense was "let go" at the end of the year for not "fitting in" with the office environment. And five years or so later, the AP (who was fired, obviously) is still a free man.

Like I said, whistleblowers are rare.

I'm not excusing McQueary, but I can certainly understand his position. He reported it but didn't want to push it.

It's easy for us to say now that we would have followed up -- but we'll never know unless we're in that position.

In any case, the higher-ups who knew MORE than Paterno or McQueary and did even LESS are the ones who need to be run out of town immediately ... and of course, the retired coach who actually DID the crimes deserves the ultimate blame.

-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: Jason Singer <jintsjason at me.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>; judway at comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 2:57 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] PSU and how this could have been so easily avoided?.

<One of the biggest issues here (and in hindsight, perhaps the biggest issue) that was finally (and thankfully) addressed yesterday by the PA legislature, is that employees of state educational institutions are not mandatory reporters of sexual and/or child abuse to child services in the manner that doctors, therapists, Psy D's, police and EMT's are.

You are wrong as far as public school teachers are concerned.? They are required to report abuse in Pennsylvania.? College teachers I can't speak to.

There is a lot of sanctimonious first-stone tossing going on here.? Isn't it amazing how everyone knows exactly what should have been done - after the fact.

Let's say you're a third-grade teacher.? (I happen to live with one who looking forward to retirement at the end of the school year.)? She suspects abuse of a student and reports it to the principal.? Some time goes by, and she hears nothing.? So, she checks back with the principal, who tells her, "It's being handled."? Each time she checks back, the principal says the situation is under control.? Her legal responsibility has ended, yet she still sees the possibility of the child being abused.? What does she do? Should she go over the boss's head to the school board president or perhaps contact the police?? There's a real job risker, not to mention offering fodder for a potentially crippling lawsuit if she can't prove the allegations, which aren't her job to prove.? The law could help by protecting teachers if they report suspected abuse whether their suspicions are right or wrong.? (They may; I don't know, but when did that ever stop a
 mega-million dollar lawsuit.)? But what if the child isn't being abused, and the problem is something altogether different?? The teacher may be trained to look for signs, but she isn't a trained psychiatrist.? A "mere" investigation of sexual abuse could destroy lives.? Ask the McMartin family about that.

It's not quite so easy before the fact.

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 21:13:04 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:13:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
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Although I understand the reasoning behind cancelling games and even the 2012 season, I wouldn't be in favor of it. None of this is the kids' fault, or the fault of the fans who bought tickets and made travel plans, or of the hotel owners, restaurants, and vendors who depend on the crowds for income, etc.?

Tom



>________________________________
>From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
>To: MHRJGScott at aol.com
>Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
>
>So this is what Neil Kaplan and I were just talking about.
>
>If we were advising the governor of Pennsylvania, we would tell the
>governor:
>
>1. Relieve Mr. Paterno of his duties immediately.
>
>2. Ditto the university president.
>
>3. Cancel the remainder of the 2011 Penn State football season.
>
>4. Cancel the 2012 Penn State football season.
>
>5. The state will honor the scholarships of those young men on the football
>team who wish to stay at Penn State. Those who wish to leave and pursue
>other opportunities will be released to do so.
>
>6. Announce that you are taking these steps because the university's
>leaders have clearly lost their moral compass.
>
>7. It is going to take some time for everyone to appropriately again
>understand how football fits into the scheme of the state's flagship
>university. Thus: no football until 2013.
>
>8. Understandably, this means complications and a raft of details to be
>worked out. Today is not the day for details. Those details will be worked
>out, with the Big Ten and with our other partners.
>
>Neil and I believe that if the governor was to take this sort of decisive
>action it would be applauded around the United States. Thoughts? Comments?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Like the Roman Catholic Church, Penn State is an arrogant institution
>> hiding behind its mystique, an insular world that protects its own, and
>> operates
>>? outside of societal norms as long as victories and cash continue to flow
>> bountifully.Penn State rakes in $70 million a year from its football
>>? program
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
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>
>
>

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 21:13:50 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:13:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
Message-ID: <1320894830.69428.YahooMailMobile@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stephen,

I am not convinced that PSU must cancel the remainder of the season but I would support them if they did. 

I don&#39;t think this has anything to do with punishing players. It seems obvious that that the police weren&#39;t called because at Penn State "football comes first". Canceling games sends a message that the University intends to find it&#39;s focus and re-prioritize football. It&#39;s not 100% critical, but it would be a noble gesture. 

It&#39;s like dad saying "this family is watching too much TV and not communicating so no TV for a week". The trustees need to do something to show the world that football isn&#39;t the only reason the school exists. 

Jim

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 21:17:30 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:17:30 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
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Well, this is what makes for interesting debate and discussion.

I bet the governor does have the unilateral authority to act in the best
interests of the state in exigencies. I would bet he could find enough
wiggle room to define this as an exigency.

And, by the way, I think most people would side with me in this debate,
Dennis ...

But it's okay with me if you disagree. Really, it's fine. I always enjoy
your point of view. Bring it on.



On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

>  So this is what Neil Kaplan and I were just talking about.
>>
>> If we were advising the governor of Pennsylvania, we would tell the
>> governor:
>>
>> 1. Relieve Mr. Paterno of his duties immediately.
>>
>> 2. Ditto the university president.
>>
>> 3. Cancel the remainder of the 2011 Penn State football season.
>>
>> 4. Cancel the 2012 Penn State football season.
>>
>> 5. The state will honor the scholarships of those young men on the
>> football
>> team who wish to stay at Penn State. Those who wish to leave and pursue
>> other opportunities will be released to do so.
>>
>> 6. Announce that you are taking these steps because the university's
>> leaders have clearly lost their moral compass.
>>
>> 7. It is going to take some time for everyone to appropriately again
>> understand how football fits into the scheme of the state's flagship
>> university. Thus: no football until 2013.
>>
>> 8. Understandably, this means complications and a raft of details to be
>> worked out. Today is not the day for details. Those details will be worked
>> out, with the Big Ten and with our other partners.
>>
>> Neil and I believe that if the governor was to take this sort of decisive
>> action it would be applauded around the United States. Thoughts? Comments?
>>
>
> I doubt the governor has the unilateral authority to do as you ask, and
> I'm damn sure he would not be reelected if he did.  State College would
> take a huge economic hit, and those residents are not responsible for
> anything that happened.  And why suspend just football games?  The alleged
> guilty parties are those who oversaw the entire Penn State sports program.
>
> This is going WAY overboard.  Punish those responsible, not millions of
> people who are not.  As I said before, we need think with the adrenal
> cortex, not the adrenal.
>

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 21:17:58 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:17:58 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Joe Paterno has just been fired
Message-ID: <CAN7sengHKzavCXnt-Xj9Lru-ZKsVo-vHH4sZ_P+xB7wRfQjr7g@mail.gmail.com>

The Penn State Board of Trustees has just announced.

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 21:19:41 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:19:41 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
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Stephen,

The argument that "no player on the football team is involved and therefore
they shouldn't be punished" holds zero water. See Reggie Bush and this
year's USC team, as I mentioned before. Life is not fair. That's the way it
is.

Alan





On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:51 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> We seem to be spiraling out of control on this list faster than the media
> circus in State College.
>
> Why on earth would PSU not play in the bowl game or Big Ten title game?
>
> Should PSU cancel classes because their president is about to be fired?
> Should all sports teams cancel their weekend plans because the AD will be
> out soon as well? If the basketball coach gets arrested for DUI, would the
> hoops team cancel its season???
>
> This is starting to get a bit far fetched. NO player on the football team
> is involved in this -- why punish them?
>
> Whether Paterno finishes the season with them or not is another matter --
> getting rid of him now seems to let the school off the hook and dim the
> spotlight, finishing with him certainly could lead to awkward moments at
> the Big Ten or Rose Bowl trophy presentations. But most of the coaching
> staff and all of the players were not involved here - why punish them?
>
> I agree that because of the publicity, PSU is no longer a B(C)S at-large
> candidate (though an SEC school with a lengthy police blotter is fine
> apparently), but they should still finish their season and go to whatever
> bowl the team earns.
>
> I hate to keep comparing it to the Catholic Church, but as I said earlier,
> this is really more of a moral scandal like that than an athletic one. But
> were all the congregations shuttered? Were the parishes of the priests
> charged disbanded?
>
> Let's not get so far caught up in the media circus that we forget who the
> criminals are here. Paterno has his moral mistakes to live with, but he is
> not legally charged with anything, the facts are not all out yet and it
> doesn't involve anything with the football players or team on the field. He
> may not deserve to be the coach, but they deserve to play!!!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 21:23:31 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:23:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
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I can understand #1 (and it appears the board of trustees just did that) and am absolutely on board with #2 (along with the AD and university police head).

But the rest are just ridiculous.

Like I said, it's going overboard and punishing people who had absolutely NOTHING to do with this. And I know you mentioned Reggie Bush/USC, and that is the stupidity of the 5-years-late NCAA, but even there it has SOME connection in that these recruits came to SC because of the cheating going on and success it created. This has NOTHING to do with the PSU football players on or off the field.

It would be like closing all the congregations and schools of an archdiocese where a priest was charged with abuse -- even if the priest never served directly at that parish.

It would be like canceling classes at the university for the year if a professor raped a student. Even if none of the students in the class had the professor, but it happened in the department that their prof oversaw.

I think we're getting out of hand here and the attention on the JoePa part is allowing the others who knew more and did less (and the actual perpetrator) to sit in the shadows unscathed.

Let's calm down for a second and not get caught up in the feeding frenzy.

Canceling the season is ridiculous. Canceling future seasons is absurd.

- SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
To: MHRJGScott at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football

So this is what Neil Kaplan and I were just talking about.

If we were advising the governor of Pennsylvania, we would tell the
governor:

1. Relieve Mr. Paterno of his duties immediately.

2. Ditto the university president.

3. Cancel the remainder of the 2011 Penn State football season.

4. Cancel the 2012 Penn State football season.

5. The state will honor the scholarships of those young men on the football
team who wish to stay at Penn State. Those who wish to leave and pursue
other opportunities will be released to do so.

6. Announce that you are taking these steps because the university's
leaders have clearly lost their moral compass.

7. It is going to take some time for everyone to appropriately again
understand how football fits into the scheme of the state's flagship
university. Thus: no football until 2013.

8. Understandably, this means complications and a raft of details to be
worked out. Today is not the day for details. Those details will be worked
out, with the Big Ten and with our other partners.

Neil and I believe that if the governor was to take this sort of decisive
action it would be applauded around the United States. Thoughts? Comments?













On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:

> Like the Roman Catholic Church, Penn State is an arrogant institution
> hiding behind its mystique, an insular world that protects its own, and
> operates
>? outside of societal norms as long as victories and cash continue to flow
> bountifully.Penn State rakes in $70 million a year from its football
>? program
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 21:26:53 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:26:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
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To use newspaper terms for us Medill folk ...

It would be like canning the entire staff of the Sun-Times just because their publisher is a sleazy criminal embezzler.

Yes, life's not fair -- but that doesn't excuse making unfair and overreaching decisions.

There is absolutely no reason to cancel any PSU football games -- especially now that Paterno is not on the sidelines.

Would you just close the entire university? After all, this is more of a school scandal with the university president than a football program one.

C'mon Alan, don't get caught up in the media frenzy -- we need to take a breath and sensibly address this situation.

Stephen
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Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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________________________________
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:19 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about


Stephen,

The argument that "no player on the football team is involved and therefore they shouldn't be punished" holds zero water.?See Reggie Bush and this year's USC team, as I mentioned before. Life is not fair. That's the way it is.

Alan






On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:51 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

We seem to be spiraling out of control on this list faster than the media circus in State College.
>
>Why on earth would PSU not play in the bowl game or Big Ten title game?
>
>Should PSU cancel classes because their president is about to be fired? Should all sports teams cancel their weekend plans because the AD will be out soon as well? If the basketball coach gets arrested for DUI, would the hoops team cancel its season???
>
>This is starting to get a bit far fetched. NO player on the football team is involved in this -- why punish them?
>
>Whether Paterno finishes the season with them or not is another matter -- getting rid of him now seems to let the school off the hook and dim the spotlight, finishing with him certainly could lead to awkward moments at the Big Ten or Rose Bowl trophy presentations. But most of the coaching staff and all of the players were not involved here - why punish them?
>
>I agree that because of the publicity, PSU is no longer a B(C)S at-large candidate (though an SEC school with a lengthy police blotter is fine apparently), but they should still finish their season and go to whatever bowl the team earns.
>
>I hate to keep comparing it to the Catholic Church, but as I said earlier, this is really more of a moral scandal like that than an athletic one. But were all the congregations shuttered? Were the parishes of the priests charged disbanded?
>
>Let's not get so far caught up in the media circus that we forget who the criminals are here. Paterno has his moral mistakes to live with, but he is not legally charged with anything, the facts are not all out yet and it doesn't involve anything with the football players or team on the field. He may not deserve to be the coach, but they deserve to play!!!
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>
>?
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog at yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
>
>_______________________________________________
>nwu-sports site list
>nwu-sports at tssi.com
>http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 21:29:34 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:29:34 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
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Stephen,

Not being ridiculous.

If I were advising the governor, that's the advice I would give him. I
think my advice would be well-taken and well-received. You're free to
disagree. That's fine. But it's clear that something in State College was
seriously amiss, and it's going to take a long time to figure out why that
was, and how to fix it. They need decisive action there. If the governor
was to take such decisive action, he might find it to be a political
lightning strike. If I were advising the governor, I'd be looking for
political lightning strikes.

For those of you interested, the Penn State Board of Trustees' news
conference is live on ESPN News right now.

Alan



On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:23 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I can understand #1 (and it appears the board of trustees just did that)
> and am absolutely on board with #2 (along with the AD and university police
> head).
>
> But the rest are just ridiculous.
>
> Like I said, it's going overboard and punishing people who had absolutely
> NOTHING to do with this. And I know you mentioned Reggie Bush/USC, and that
> is the stupidity of the 5-years-late NCAA, but even there it has SOME
> connection in that these recruits came to SC because of the cheating going
> on and success it created. This has NOTHING to do with the PSU football
> players on or off the field.
>
> It would be like closing all the congregations and schools of an
> archdiocese where a priest was charged with abuse -- even if the priest
> never served directly at that parish.
>
> It would be like canceling classes at the university for the year if a
> professor raped a student. Even if none of the students in the class had
> the professor, but it happened in the department that their prof oversaw.
>
> I think we're getting out of hand here and the attention on the JoePa part
> is allowing the others who knew more and did less (and the actual
> perpetrator) to sit in the shadows unscathed.
>
> Let's calm down for a second and not get caught up in the feeding frenzy.
>
> Canceling the season is ridiculous. Canceling future seasons is absurd.
>
> - SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> *To:* MHRJGScott at aol.com
> *Cc:* nwu-sports at tssi.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
>
> So this is what Neil Kaplan and I were just talking about.
>
> If we were advising the governor of Pennsylvania, we would tell the
> governor:
>
> 1. Relieve Mr. Paterno of his duties immediately.
>
> 2. Ditto the university president.
>
> 3. Cancel the remainder of the 2011 Penn State football season.
>
> 4. Cancel the 2012 Penn State football season.
>
> 5. The state will honor the scholarships of those young men on the football
> team who wish to stay at Penn State. Those who wish to leave and pursue
> other opportunities will be released to do so.
>
> 6. Announce that you are taking these steps because the university's
> leaders have clearly lost their moral compass.
>
> 7. It is going to take some time for everyone to appropriately again
> understand how football fits into the scheme of the state's flagship
> university. Thus: no football until 2013.
>
> 8. Understandably, this means complications and a raft of details to be
> worked out. Today is not the day for details. Those details will be worked
> out, with the Big Ten and with our other partners.
>
> Neil and I believe that if the governor was to take this sort of decisive
> action it would be applauded around the United States. Thoughts? Comments?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Like the Roman Catholic Church, Penn State is an arrogant institution
> > hiding behind its mystique, an insular world that protects its own, and
> > operates
> >  outside of societal norms as long as victories and cash continue to flow
> > bountifully.Penn State rakes in $70 million a year from its football
> >  program
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>
>

From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 21:44:50 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 03:44:50 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
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 Check out CNN.  Students are gathering and are angry.  Crazy!

I was not very impressed with the Vice Chairman of the Board at his press conferemce.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:29:34 
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog)<sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football

Stephen,

Not being ridiculous.

If I were advising the governor, that's the advice I would give him. I
think my advice would be well-taken and well-received. You're free to
disagree. That's fine. But it's clear that something in State College was
seriously amiss, and it's going to take a long time to figure out why that
was, and how to fix it. They need decisive action there. If the governor
was to take such decisive action, he might find it to be a political
lightning strike. If I were advising the governor, I'd be looking for
political lightning strikes.

For those of you interested, the Penn State Board of Trustees' news
conference is live on ESPN News right now.

Alan



On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:23 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> I can understand #1 (and it appears the board of trustees just did that)
> and am absolutely on board with #2 (along with the AD and university police
> head).
>
> But the rest are just ridiculous.
>
> Like I said, it's going overboard and punishing people who had absolutely
> NOTHING to do with this. And I know you mentioned Reggie Bush/USC, and that
> is the stupidity of the 5-years-late NCAA, but even there it has SOME
> connection in that these recruits came to SC because of the cheating going
> on and success it created. This has NOTHING to do with the PSU football
> players on or off the field.
>
> It would be like closing all the congregations and schools of an
> archdiocese where a priest was charged with abuse -- even if the priest
> never served directly at that parish.
>
> It would be like canceling classes at the university for the year if a
> professor raped a student. Even if none of the students in the class had
> the professor, but it happened in the department that their prof oversaw.
>
> I think we're getting out of hand here and the attention on the JoePa part
> is allowing the others who knew more and did less (and the actual
> perpetrator) to sit in the shadows unscathed.
>
> Let's calm down for a second and not get caught up in the feeding frenzy.
>
> Canceling the season is ridiculous. Canceling future seasons is absurd.
>
> - SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> *To:* MHRJGScott at aol.com
> *Cc:* nwu-sports at tssi.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
>
> So this is what Neil Kaplan and I were just talking about.
>
> If we were advising the governor of Pennsylvania, we would tell the
> governor:
>
> 1. Relieve Mr. Paterno of his duties immediately.
>
> 2. Ditto the university president.
>
> 3. Cancel the remainder of the 2011 Penn State football season.
>
> 4. Cancel the 2012 Penn State football season.
>
> 5. The state will honor the scholarships of those young men on the football
> team who wish to stay at Penn State. Those who wish to leave and pursue
> other opportunities will be released to do so.
>
> 6. Announce that you are taking these steps because the university's
> leaders have clearly lost their moral compass.
>
> 7. It is going to take some time for everyone to appropriately again
> understand how football fits into the scheme of the state's flagship
> university. Thus: no football until 2013.
>
> 8. Understandably, this means complications and a raft of details to be
> worked out. Today is not the day for details. Those details will be worked
> out, with the Big Ten and with our other partners.
>
> Neil and I believe that if the governor was to take this sort of decisive
> action it would be applauded around the United States. Thoughts? Comments?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Like the Roman Catholic Church, Penn State is an arrogant institution
> > hiding behind its mystique, an insular world that protects its own, and
> > operates
> >  outside of societal norms as long as victories and cash continue to flow
> > bountifully.Penn State rakes in $70 million a year from its football
> >  program
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 21:57:24 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 19:57:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I have been fierce that Joe should go
Message-ID: <1320897444.34012.YahooMailNeo@web114713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

but I don't believe in canceling the season.

That would send the message that PSU football does indeed stop with Joe, which it does not, will not and should not.; 


Play the games. Donate all ticket or concession revenue to charity, or some such gesture.

I could go either way on accepting a bowl bid. I would lean towards no.

bw



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 22:18:44 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:18:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
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Alan -

You know I respect your writing and opinions greatly ... but I do think that calls to cancel a season and especially future seasons is absurd. It's absurd as students "going crazy" over the termination of Paterno's contract.

I need a better reason than "life's not fair" to impose a "death penalty" on a football program. Not a bowl ban or scholarship loss - but what you and others proposed is the death penalty for dozens of student athletes and others associated with the program who had absolutely nothing to do with this.

I gave you the example of closing churches and schools for all parishes within a diocese where abuse occurred ... or closing down the Sun Times because Conrad Black was a criminal ... or in the example I gave in another message, firing all the teachers at a school where the vice principal was accused of molesting a student.

It's an overreach and it punishes students for absolutely no justifiable reason.

The angry mob has gotten the head of Paterno as they had demanded -- my sincere hope is that they now remember the true victims and go after the people who knew more and did less, ultimately leading to the person who did the crimes themselves, instead of trying to take down student athletes who had no part in this mess.

Let's be more Cronkite news-like and less cable news-like in this story and not jump to drastic measures before we stop and think.

- Stephen
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Cc: "MHRJGScott at aol.com" <MHRJGScott at aol.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football


Stephen,

Not being ridiculous.

If I were advising the governor, that's the advice I would give him. I think my advice would be well-taken and well-received. You're free to disagree. That's fine. But it's clear that something in State College was seriously amiss, and it's going to take a long time to figure out why that was, and how to fix it. They need decisive action there. If the governor was to take such decisive action, he might find it to be a political lightning strike. If I were advising the governor, I'd be looking for political lightning strikes.?

For those of you interested, the Penn State Board of Trustees' news conference is live on ESPN News right now.

Alan




On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:23 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

I can understand #1 (and it appears the board of trustees just did that) and am absolutely on board with #2 (along with the AD and university police head).
>
>
>But the rest are just ridiculous.
>
>
>Like I said, it's going overboard and punishing people who had absolutely NOTHING to do with this. And I know you mentioned Reggie Bush/USC, and that is the stupidity of the 5-years-late NCAA, but even there it has SOME connection in that these recruits came to SC because of the cheating going on and success it created. This has NOTHING to do with the PSU football players on or off the field.
>
>
>It would be like closing all the congregations and schools of an archdiocese where a priest was charged with abuse -- even if the priest never served directly at that parish.
>
>
>It would be like canceling classes at the university for the year if a professor raped a student. Even if none of the students in the class had the professor, but it happened in the department that their prof oversaw.
>
>
>I think we're getting out of hand here and the attention on the JoePa part is allowing the others who knew more and did less (and the actual perpetrator) to sit in the shadows unscathed.
>
>
>Let's calm down for a second and not get caught up in the feeding frenzy.
>
>
>Canceling the season is ridiculous. Canceling future seasons is absurd.
>
>
>- SjT
>?
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog at yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
>________________________________
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
>To: MHRJGScott at aol.com
>Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:13 PM
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
>
>
>So this is what Neil Kaplan and I were just talking about.
>
>If we were advising the governor of Pennsylvania, we would tell the
>governor:
>
>1. Relieve Mr. Paterno of his duties immediately.
>
>2. Ditto the university president.
>
>3. Cancel the remainder of the 2011 Penn State football season.
>
>4. Cancel the 2012 Penn State football season.
>
>5. The state will honor the scholarships of those young men on the football
>team who wish to stay at Penn State. Those who wish to leave and pursue
>other opportunities will be released to do so.
>
>6. Announce that you are taking these steps because the university's
>leaders have clearly lost their moral compass.
>
>7. It is going to take some time for everyone to appropriately again
>understand how football fits into the scheme of the state's flagship
>university. Thus: no football until 2013.
>
>8. Understandably, this means complications and a raft of
 details to be
>worked out. Today is not the day for details. Those details will be worked
>out, with the Big Ten and with our other partners.
>
>Neil and I believe that if the governor was to take this sort of decisive
>action it would be applauded around the United States. Thoughts? Comments?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Like the Roman Catholic Church, Penn State is an arrogant institution
>> hiding behind its mystique, an insular world that protects its own, and
>> operates
>>? outside of societal norms as long as victories and cash continue to flow
>> bountifully.Penn State rakes in $70 million a year from its football
>>? program
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
>_______________________________________________
>nwu-sports site list
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>
>

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov  9 22:27:46 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 23:27:46 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
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Let's see, kill PSU Football for 2 years, 

Well, all of the Big 10 helped put PSU in their exalted status, so maybe ALL of the Big 10
should shut down for 2 years.

That would sure send a message to those trustees all over the country that we mean
business.

There is an old joke about large organizations that when something fails, you reward the
guilty and punish the innocent. Killing PSU Football is a classic case of punishing the
innocent, regardless of whether they are guilty of other things we don't know about.
They've already punished the suspected... so much for innocent until proven guilty.

Dumping JoePa and putting the rest of the staff on a short list will effect PSU's
recruiting immediately, and unless the PSU team decides to win out, finishing in the chase
for the Big 10 title game is going to be a long haul too, IMHO.

(and remember the custodian in Seaford who was accused, lost everything, and never even
went to trial.)

rsl





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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:20 PM
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about

Stephen,

The argument that "no player on the football team is involved and therefore
they shouldn't be punished" holds zero water. See Reggie Bush and this
year's USC team, as I mentioned before. Life is not fair. That's the way it
is.

Alan





On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:51 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> We seem to be spiraling out of control on this list faster than the media
> circus in State College.
>
> Why on earth would PSU not play in the bowl game or Big Ten title game?
>
> Should PSU cancel classes because their president is about to be fired?
> Should all sports teams cancel their weekend plans because the AD will be
> out soon as well? If the basketball coach gets arrested for DUI, would the
> hoops team cancel its season???
>
> This is starting to get a bit far fetched. NO player on the football team
> is involved in this -- why punish them?
>
> Whether Paterno finishes the season with them or not is another matter --
> getting rid of him now seems to let the school off the hook and dim the
> spotlight, finishing with him certainly could lead to awkward moments at
> the Big Ten or Rose Bowl trophy presentations. But most of the coaching
> staff and all of the players were not involved here - why punish them?
>
> I agree that because of the publicity, PSU is no longer a B(C)S at-large
> candidate (though an SEC school with a lengthy police blotter is fine
> apparently), but they should still finish their season and go to whatever
> bowl the team earns.
>
> I hate to keep comparing it to the Catholic Church, but as I said earlier,
> this is really more of a moral scandal like that than an athletic one. But
> were all the congregations shuttered? Were the parishes of the priests
> charged disbanded?
>
> Let's not get so far caught up in the media circus that we forget who the
> criminals are here. Paterno has his moral mistakes to live with, but he is
> not legally charged with anything, the facts are not all out yet and it
> doesn't involve anything with the football players or team on the field. He
> may not deserve to be the coach, but they deserve to play!!!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 22:31:38 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:31:38 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
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Stephen (and everyone),

I totally understand your position.

Try to put yourself in the position of someone advising the governor. Think
of what makes political sense. Not what makes football sense. That's the
argument I'm making here.

Think not only of the statewide political landscape but also of the
national political landscape and of making a decisive political stand. This
college football season -- which started with the Ohio State scandal and
has now segued into this metastasizing scandal at Penn State -- has
potentially created an opening for a bold political move related to what is
a huge problem in our country related to the big business of college
football.

It would make for an intriguing political step, wouldn't it? I bet a lot of
people would really welcome such boldness. A lot more than you think ...

Best, Alan








On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:18 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Alan -
>
> You know I respect your writing and opinions greatly ... but I do think
> that calls to cancel a season and especially future seasons is absurd. It's
> absurd as students "going crazy" over the termination of Paterno's contract.
>
> I need a better reason than "life's not fair" to impose a "death penalty"
> on a football program. Not a bowl ban or scholarship loss - but what you
> and others proposed is the death penalty for dozens of student athletes and
> others associated with the program who had absolutely nothing to do with
> this.
>
> I gave you the example of closing churches and schools for all parishes
> within a diocese where abuse occurred ... or closing down the Sun Times
> because Conrad Black was a criminal ... or in the example I gave in another
> message, firing all the teachers at a school where the vice principal was
> accused of molesting a student.
>
> It's an overreach and it punishes students for absolutely no justifiable
> reason.
>
> The angry mob has gotten the head of Paterno as they had demanded -- my
> sincere hope is that they now remember the true victims and go after the
> people who knew more and did less, ultimately leading to the person who did
> the crimes themselves, instead of trying to take down student athletes who
> had no part in this mess.
>
> Let's be more Cronkite news-like and less cable news-like in this story
> and not jump to drastic measures before we stop and think.
>
> - Stephen
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> *To:* SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* "MHRJGScott at aol.com" <MHRJGScott at aol.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <
> nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:29 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
>
> Stephen,
>
> Not being ridiculous.
>
> If I were advising the governor, that's the advice I would give him. I
> think my advice would be well-taken and well-received. You're free to
> disagree. That's fine. But it's clear that something in State College was
> seriously amiss, and it's going to take a long time to figure out why that
> was, and how to fix it. They need decisive action there. If the governor
> was to take such decisive action, he might find it to be a political
> lightning strike. If I were advising the governor, I'd be looking for
> political lightning strikes.
>
> For those of you interested, the Penn State Board of Trustees' news
> conference is live on ESPN News right now.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:23 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> I can understand #1 (and it appears the board of trustees just did that)
> and am absolutely on board with #2 (along with the AD and university police
> head).
>
> But the rest are just ridiculous.
>
> Like I said, it's going overboard and punishing people who had absolutely
> NOTHING to do with this. And I know you mentioned Reggie Bush/USC, and that
> is the stupidity of the 5-years-late NCAA, but even there it has SOME
> connection in that these recruits came to SC because of the cheating going
> on and success it created. This has NOTHING to do with the PSU football
> players on or off the field.
>
> It would be like closing all the congregations and schools of an
> archdiocese where a priest was charged with abuse -- even if the priest
> never served directly at that parish.
>
> It would be like canceling classes at the university for the year if a
> professor raped a student. Even if none of the students in the class had
> the professor, but it happened in the department that their prof oversaw.
>
> I think we're getting out of hand here and the attention on the JoePa part
> is allowing the others who knew more and did less (and the actual
> perpetrator) to sit in the shadows unscathed.
>
> Let's calm down for a second and not get caught up in the feeding frenzy.
>
> Canceling the season is ridiculous. Canceling future seasons is absurd.
>
> - SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ------------------------------
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> *To:* MHRJGScott at aol.com
> *Cc:* nwu-sports at tssi.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
>
> So this is what Neil Kaplan and I were just talking about.
>
> If we were advising the governor of Pennsylvania, we would tell the
> governor:
>
> 1. Relieve Mr. Paterno of his duties immediately.
>
> 2. Ditto the university president.
>
> 3. Cancel the remainder of the 2011 Penn State football season.
>
> 4. Cancel the 2012 Penn State football season.
>
> 5. The state will honor the scholarships of those young men on the football
> team who wish to stay at Penn State. Those who wish to leave and pursue
> other opportunities will be released to do so.
>
> 6. Announce that you are taking these steps because the university's
> leaders have clearly lost their moral compass.
>
> 7. It is going to take some time for everyone to appropriately again
> understand how football fits into the scheme of the state's flagship
> university. Thus: no football until 2013.
>
> 8. Understandably, this means complications and a raft of details to be
> worked out. Today is not the day for details. Those details will be worked
> out, with the Big Ten and with our other partners.
>
> Neil and I believe that if the governor was to take this sort of decisive
> action it would be applauded around the United States. Thoughts? Comments?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Like the Roman Catholic Church, Penn State is an arrogant institution
> > hiding behind its mystique, an insular world that protects its own, and
> > operates
> >  outside of societal norms as long as victories and cash continue to flow
> > bountifully.Penn State rakes in $70 million a year from its football
> >  program
> > _______________________________________________
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> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Nov  9 22:36:14 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:36:14 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
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Roy,

Please don't for a second confuse innocent until proven guilty in a case of
law with what's going on here.

Mr. Sandusky is absolutely innocent until and until proven guilty in a
courtroom by a jury of his peers.

As for whether Mr. Paterno and Mr. Spanier deserved the moral trust that
enabled them to stay in their jobs -- that related to entirely different
set of questions. Those were the questions put before the university board
of trustees tonight, and the trustees decided they no longer enjoyed that
trust.

Best, Alan



On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> Let's see, kill PSU Football for 2 years,
>
> Well, all of the Big 10 helped put PSU in their exalted status, so maybe
> ALL of the Big 10
> should shut down for 2 years.
>
> That would sure send a message to those trustees all over the country that
> we mean
> business.
>
> There is an old joke about large organizations that when something fails,
> you reward the
> guilty and punish the innocent. Killing PSU Football is a classic case of
> punishing the
> innocent, regardless of whether they are guilty of other things we don't
> know about.
> They've already punished the suspected... so much for innocent until
> proven guilty.
>
> Dumping JoePa and putting the rest of the staff on a short list will
> effect PSU's
> recruiting immediately, and unless the PSU team decides to win out,
> finishing in the chase
> for the Big 10 title game is going to be a long haul too, IMHO.
>
> (and remember the custodian in Seaford who was accused, lost everything,
> and never even
> went to trial.)
>
> rsl
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Alan
> Abrahamson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 10:20 PM
> To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
>
> Stephen,
>
> The argument that "no player on the football team is involved and therefore
> they shouldn't be punished" holds zero water. See Reggie Bush and this
> year's USC team, as I mentioned before. Life is not fair. That's the way it
> is.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:51 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > We seem to be spiraling out of control on this list faster than the media
> > circus in State College.
> >
> > Why on earth would PSU not play in the bowl game or Big Ten title game?
> >
> > Should PSU cancel classes because their president is about to be fired?
> > Should all sports teams cancel their weekend plans because the AD will be
> > out soon as well? If the basketball coach gets arrested for DUI, would
> the
> > hoops team cancel its season???
> >
> > This is starting to get a bit far fetched. NO player on the football team
> > is involved in this -- why punish them?
> >
> > Whether Paterno finishes the season with them or not is another matter --
> > getting rid of him now seems to let the school off the hook and dim the
> > spotlight, finishing with him certainly could lead to awkward moments at
> > the Big Ten or Rose Bowl trophy presentations. But most of the coaching
> > staff and all of the players were not involved here - why punish them?
> >
> > I agree that because of the publicity, PSU is no longer a B(C)S at-large
> > candidate (though an SEC school with a lengthy police blotter is fine
> > apparently), but they should still finish their season and go to whatever
> > bowl the team earns.
> >
> > I hate to keep comparing it to the Catholic Church, but as I said
> earlier,
> > this is really more of a moral scandal like that than an athletic one.
> But
> > were all the congregations shuttered? Were the parishes of the priests
> > charged disbanded?
> >
> > Let's not get so far caught up in the media circus that we forget who the
> > criminals are here. Paterno has his moral mistakes to live with, but he
> is
> > not legally charged with anything, the facts are not all out yet and it
> > doesn't involve anything with the football players or team on the field.
> He
> > may not deserve to be the coach, but they deserve to play!!!
> >
> > GO CATS!!!
> > -SjT
> >
> >
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> > sjtruog at yahoo.com
> > GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> > Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 22:50:01 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:50:01 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
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Alan.

You are a brilliant guy and wonderful journalist.  But we are ONLY talking about sports--college football--which I love.  But our governing officials have much bigger fish to fry.  Killing the PSU program, as you posit, is egregious overreaching, as Stephen and Roy cogently state.  Let's keep this all in proper perspective, even if much of the PSU student body are unable to.  By the way, when I look baxk on what I was at 20, I has little, if any, peespective or jidgment, so I am not conde$ning them for taking to the streets in protest.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:31:38 
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog)<sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football

Stephen (and everyone),

I totally understand your position.

Try to put yourself in the position of someone advising the governor. Think
of what makes political sense. Not what makes football sense. That's the
argument I'm making here.

Think not only of the statewide political landscape but also of the
national political landscape and of making a decisive political stand. This
college football season -- which started with the Ohio State scandal and
has now segued into this metastasizing scandal at Penn State -- has
potentially created an opening for a bold political move related to what is
a huge problem in our country related to the big business of college
football.

It would make for an intriguing political step, wouldn't it? I bet a lot of
people would really welcome such boldness. A lot more than you think ...

Best, Alan








On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:18 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Alan -
>
> You know I respect your writing and opinions greatly ... but I do think
> that calls to cancel a season and especially future seasons is absurd. It's
> absurd as students "going crazy" over the termination of Paterno's contract.
>
> I need a better reason than "life's not fair" to impose a "death penalty"
> on a football program. Not a bowl ban or scholarship loss - but what you
> and others proposed is the death penalty for dozens of student athletes and
> others associated with the program who had absolutely nothing to do with
> this.
>
> I gave you the example of closing churches and schools for all parishes
> within a diocese where abuse occurred ... or closing down the Sun Times
> because Conrad Black was a criminal ... or in the example I gave in another
> message, firing all the teachers at a school where the vice principal was
> accused of molesting a student.
>
> It's an overreach and it punishes students for absolutely no justifiable
> reason.
>
> The angry mob has gotten the head of Paterno as they had demanded -- my
> sincere hope is that they now remember the true victims and go after the
> people who knew more and did less, ultimately leading to the person who did
> the crimes themselves, instead of trying to take down student athletes who
> had no part in this mess.
>
> Let's be more Cronkite news-like and less cable news-like in this story
> and not jump to drastic measures before we stop and think.
>
> - Stephen
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> *To:* SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* "MHRJGScott at aol.com" <MHRJGScott at aol.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <
> nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:29 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
>
> Stephen,
>
> Not being ridiculous.
>
> If I were advising the governor, that's the advice I would give him. I
> think my advice would be well-taken and well-received. You're free to
> disagree. That's fine. But it's clear that something in State College was
> seriously amiss, and it's going to take a long time to figure out why that
> was, and how to fix it. They need decisive action there. If the governor
> was to take such decisive action, he might find it to be a political
> lightning strike. If I were advising the governor, I'd be looking for
> political lightning strikes.
>
> For those of you interested, the Penn State Board of Trustees' news
> conference is live on ESPN News right now.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:23 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> I can understand #1 (and it appears the board of trustees just did that)
> and am absolutely on board with #2 (along with the AD and university police
> head).
>
> But the rest are just ridiculous.
>
> Like I said, it's going overboard and punishing people who had absolutely
> NOTHING to do with this. And I know you mentioned Reggie Bush/USC, and that
> is the stupidity of the 5-years-late NCAA, but even there it has SOME
> connection in that these recruits came to SC because of the cheating going
> on and success it created. This has NOTHING to do with the PSU football
> players on or off the field.
>
> It would be like closing all the congregations and schools of an
> archdiocese where a priest was charged with abuse -- even if the priest
> never served directly at that parish.
>
> It would be like canceling classes at the university for the year if a
> professor raped a student. Even if none of the students in the class had
> the professor, but it happened in the department that their prof oversaw.
>
> I think we're getting out of hand here and the attention on the JoePa part
> is allowing the others who knew more and did less (and the actual
> perpetrator) to sit in the shadows unscathed.
>
> Let's calm down for a second and not get caught up in the feeding frenzy.
>
> Canceling the season is ridiculous. Canceling future seasons is absurd.
>
> - SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ------------------------------
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> *To:* MHRJGScott at aol.com
> *Cc:* nwu-sports at tssi.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
>
> So this is what Neil Kaplan and I were just talking about.
>
> If we were advising the governor of Pennsylvania, we would tell the
> governor:
>
> 1. Relieve Mr. Paterno of his duties immediately.
>
> 2. Ditto the university president.
>
> 3. Cancel the remainder of the 2011 Penn State football season.
>
> 4. Cancel the 2012 Penn State football season.
>
> 5. The state will honor the scholarships of those young men on the football
> team who wish to stay at Penn State. Those who wish to leave and pursue
> other opportunities will be released to do so.
>
> 6. Announce that you are taking these steps because the university's
> leaders have clearly lost their moral compass.
>
> 7. It is going to take some time for everyone to appropriately again
> understand how football fits into the scheme of the state's flagship
> university. Thus: no football until 2013.
>
> 8. Understandably, this means complications and a raft of details to be
> worked out. Today is not the day for details. Those details will be worked
> out, with the Big Ten and with our other partners.
>
> Neil and I believe that if the governor was to take this sort of decisive
> action it would be applauded around the United States. Thoughts? Comments?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Like the Roman Catholic Church, Penn State is an arrogant institution
> > hiding behind its mystique, an insular world that protects its own, and
> > operates
> >  outside of societal norms as long as victories and cash continue to flow
> > bountifully.Penn State rakes in $70 million a year from its football
> >  program
> > _______________________________________________
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> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
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> >
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From jintsjason at me.com  Wed Nov  9 22:36:32 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:36:32 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU and how this could have been so easily avoided..
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I heard on ESPN, of all places, that as a result of this the legislature was changing the law to include teachers as mandatory reporters to DCFS. Now if that means state employed teachers or all teachers, I have no idea. 

Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 9, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Mike Nolan wrote:

>> Why so argumentative when we're arguing the same point. Actually you just 
>> proved my point. I KNOW it's not true in Pennsylvania. If it were, a lot of 
>> this might have been avoided (which was my original point, that you may have
>> missed, again, probably my bad). 
> 
> Jason, has PA actually changed the law this week?  I can't find any
> news stories confirming that a bill has been passed and signed into law
> recently.
> 
> I see where the law was changed some four years ago, though.  
> --
> Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 22:57:18 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:57:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
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Would it be bold? Yes. So would lining up every PSU official for a firing squad.

Would it be intriguing? Yes. So would banning the Catholic Church within the state of Pennsylvania.

Would it be a move against the big business of college football? Yes. So would dropping out of the B(C)S Cartel and pushing the rest of the Big Ten to do so.

But would it make sense? No.

Personally, I've had enough of "bold" politicians who make bold statements and sign bold pledges and then boldly back themselves into a corner where they refuse to do anything that isn't 100% of what they want. Too many in recent years have "boldly" gone in the wrong direction and taken the nation with them. I prefer smart action over bold action.

And as for being a good political move, I think it would show through as grandstanding and trying to ride the winds of mobocracy to big poll numbers.

It would do nothing for the victims. It would create new innocent victims in the PSU student athletes who would simply be told that life is not fair. And it would do nothing to address those responsible or help the state.

It just doesn't make sense to me politically, morally, athletically or logically.

But maybe it's just me.?

I can understand getting rid of Paterno now -- I don't necessarily think it was the right call, but I understand it. And I can understand making a significant gesture that big-money athletics are not in control of a university ... and I think that's what the PSU and OSU boards did when they got rid of their high-profile and powerful football CEOs (I still think OSU needs to dump their president as well), taking back some measure of control.

But I don't understand giving the student athletes a "death penalty" for this situation. Even if we assume the worst, there's still nothing linking this to players or what happened on the field or PSU students. In the cases this drastic measure was taken in the past (voluntarily by Chicago, imposed on SMU), it was because either he athletic corruption was damaging students or booster corruption was damaging student athletes. I don't see anything like that here where the actions of a former coach and the inactions of the current coach have damaged current players or students.

Like I said, I hope this is the end of it for the PSU football players -- send the angry mobs after Spanier, the AD, the university police head and Sandusky and focus the attention on the victims. No need to add more victims to this mess.

- Stephen

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Cc: "MHRJGScott at aol.com" <MHRJGScott at aol.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football


Stephen (and everyone),

I totally understand your position.

Try to put yourself in the position of someone advising the governor. Think of what makes political sense. Not what makes football sense. That's the argument I'm making here.?

Think not only of the statewide political landscape but also of the national political landscape and of making a decisive political stand. This college football season -- which started with the Ohio State scandal and has now segued into this metastasizing scandal at Penn State -- has potentially created an opening for a bold political move related to what is a huge problem in our country related to the big business of college football.

It would make for an intriguing political step, wouldn't it? I bet a lot of people would really welcome such boldness. A lot more than you think ...

Best, Alan









On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:18 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

Alan -
>
>
>You know I respect your writing and opinions greatly ... but I do think that calls to cancel a season and especially future seasons is absurd. It's absurd as students "going crazy" over the termination of Paterno's contract.
>
>
>I need a better reason than "life's not fair" to impose a "death penalty" on a football program. Not a bowl ban or scholarship loss - but what you and others proposed is the death penalty for dozens of student athletes and others associated with the program who had absolutely nothing to do with this.
>
>
>I gave you the example of closing churches and schools for all parishes within a diocese where abuse occurred ... or closing down the Sun Times because Conrad Black was a criminal ... or in the example I gave in another message, firing all the teachers at a school where the vice principal was accused of molesting a student.
>
>
>It's an overreach and it punishes students for absolutely no justifiable reason.
>
>
>The angry mob has gotten the head of Paterno as they had demanded -- my sincere hope is that they now remember the true victims and go after the people who knew more and did less, ultimately leading to the person who did the crimes themselves, instead of trying to take down student athletes who had no part in this mess.
>
>
>Let's be more Cronkite news-like and less cable news-like in this story and not jump to drastic measures before we stop and think.
>
>
>- Stephen
>?
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog at yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
>________________________________
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
>To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
>Cc: "MHRJGScott at aol.com" <MHRJGScott at aol.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:29 PM
>
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
>
>
>
>Stephen,
>
>
>Not being ridiculous.
>
>
>If I were advising the governor, that's the advice I would give him. I think my advice would be well-taken and well-received. You're free to disagree. That's fine. But it's clear that something in State College was seriously amiss, and it's going to take a long time to figure out why that was, and how to fix it. They need decisive action there. If the governor was to take such decisive action, he might find it to be a political lightning strike. If I were advising the governor, I'd be looking for political lightning strikes.?
>
>
>For those of you interested, the Penn State Board of Trustees' news conference is live on ESPN News right now.
>
>
>Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:23 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>I can understand #1 (and it appears the board of trustees just did that) and am absolutely on board with #2 (along with the AD and university police head).
>>
>>
>>But the rest are just ridiculous.
>>
>>
>>Like I said, it's going overboard and punishing people who had absolutely NOTHING to do with this. And I know you mentioned Reggie Bush/USC, and that is the stupidity of the 5-years-late NCAA, but even there it has SOME connection in that these recruits came to SC because of the cheating going on and success it created. This has NOTHING to do with the PSU football players on or off the field.
>>
>>
>>It would be like closing all the congregations and schools of an archdiocese where a priest was charged with abuse -- even if the priest never served directly at that parish.
>>
>>
>>It would be like canceling classes at the university for the year if a professor raped a student. Even if none of the students in the class had the professor, but it happened in the department that their prof oversaw.
>>
>>
>>I think we're getting out of hand here and the attention on the JoePa part is allowing the others who knew more and did less (and the actual perpetrator) to sit in the shadows unscathed.
>>
>>
>>Let's calm down for a second and not get caught up in the feeding frenzy.
>>
>>
>>Canceling the season is ridiculous. Canceling future seasons is absurd.
>>
>>
>>- SjT
>>?
>>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>>sjtruog at yahoo.com
>>GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>>Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
>>________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
>>To: MHRJGScott at aol.com
>>Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:13 PM
>>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
>>
>>
>>So this is what Neil Kaplan and I were just talking about.
>>
>>If we were advising the governor of Pennsylvania, we would tell the
>>governor:
>>
>>1. Relieve Mr. Paterno of his duties immediately.
>>
>>2. Ditto the university president.
>>
>>3. Cancel the remainder of the 2011 Penn State football season.
>>
>>4. Cancel the 2012 Penn State football season.
>>
>>5. The state will honor the scholarships of those young men on the football
>>team who wish to stay at Penn State. Those who wish to leave and pursue
>>other opportunities will be released to do so.
>>
>>6. Announce that you are taking these steps because the university's
>>leaders have clearly lost their moral compass.
>>
>>7. It is going to take some time for everyone to appropriately again
>>understand how football fits into the scheme of the state's flagship
>>university. Thus: no football until 2013.
>>
>>8. Understandably, this means complications and a raft of
 details to be
>>worked out. Today is not the day for details. Those details will be worked
>>out, with the Big Ten and with our other partners.
>>
>>Neil and I believe that if the governor was to take this sort of decisive
>>action it would be applauded around the United States. Thoughts? Comments?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Like the Roman Catholic Church, Penn State is an arrogant institution
>>> hiding behind its mystique, an insular world that protects its own, and
>>> operates
>>>? outside of societal norms as long as victories and cash continue to flow
>>> bountifully.Penn State rakes in $70 million a year from its football
>>>? program
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>
>
>

From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Nov  9 23:11:09 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:11:09 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
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Last thought from me tonight.  In past 2 years, Michigan, OSU and PSU--perhaps the 3 strongest "brands" in the Big 10 (Nebraska is too new to rate with me.)--have each been rocked with scandals and/or NCAA rules violation charges--with Head Coaches at all 3 (1 an icon and 1 a vested growing legend) getting the ax--with only one (RichRod) losing his job in part for the sin of losing.  I am telling you Fitz's phone is going to ring off the hook.  He will look like a "Mr. Clean" solution in both Columbus and State College.  But I still think he stays--and uses all of this to build our brand and our team's future.  
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-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:50:01 
To: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; SjT (Stephen J. Truog)<sjtruog at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football

Alan.

You are a brilliant guy and wonderful journalist.  But we are ONLY talking about sports--college football--which I love.  But our governing officials have much bigger fish to fry.  Killing the PSU program, as you posit, is egregious overreaching, as Stephen and Roy cogently state.  Let's keep this all in proper perspective, even if much of the PSU student body are unable to.  By the way, when I look baxk on what I was at 20, I has little, if any, peespective or jidgment, so I am not conde$ning them for taking to the streets in protest.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:31:38 
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog)<sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football

Stephen (and everyone),

I totally understand your position.

Try to put yourself in the position of someone advising the governor. Think
of what makes political sense. Not what makes football sense. That's the
argument I'm making here.

Think not only of the statewide political landscape but also of the
national political landscape and of making a decisive political stand. This
college football season -- which started with the Ohio State scandal and
has now segued into this metastasizing scandal at Penn State -- has
potentially created an opening for a bold political move related to what is
a huge problem in our country related to the big business of college
football.

It would make for an intriguing political step, wouldn't it? I bet a lot of
people would really welcome such boldness. A lot more than you think ...

Best, Alan








On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:18 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Alan -
>
> You know I respect your writing and opinions greatly ... but I do think
> that calls to cancel a season and especially future seasons is absurd. It's
> absurd as students "going crazy" over the termination of Paterno's contract.
>
> I need a better reason than "life's not fair" to impose a "death penalty"
> on a football program. Not a bowl ban or scholarship loss - but what you
> and others proposed is the death penalty for dozens of student athletes and
> others associated with the program who had absolutely nothing to do with
> this.
>
> I gave you the example of closing churches and schools for all parishes
> within a diocese where abuse occurred ... or closing down the Sun Times
> because Conrad Black was a criminal ... or in the example I gave in another
> message, firing all the teachers at a school where the vice principal was
> accused of molesting a student.
>
> It's an overreach and it punishes students for absolutely no justifiable
> reason.
>
> The angry mob has gotten the head of Paterno as they had demanded -- my
> sincere hope is that they now remember the true victims and go after the
> people who knew more and did less, ultimately leading to the person who did
> the crimes themselves, instead of trying to take down student athletes who
> had no part in this mess.
>
> Let's be more Cronkite news-like and less cable news-like in this story
> and not jump to drastic measures before we stop and think.
>
> - Stephen
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> *To:* SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* "MHRJGScott at aol.com" <MHRJGScott at aol.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <
> nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:29 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
>
> Stephen,
>
> Not being ridiculous.
>
> If I were advising the governor, that's the advice I would give him. I
> think my advice would be well-taken and well-received. You're free to
> disagree. That's fine. But it's clear that something in State College was
> seriously amiss, and it's going to take a long time to figure out why that
> was, and how to fix it. They need decisive action there. If the governor
> was to take such decisive action, he might find it to be a political
> lightning strike. If I were advising the governor, I'd be looking for
> political lightning strikes.
>
> For those of you interested, the Penn State Board of Trustees' news
> conference is live on ESPN News right now.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:23 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> I can understand #1 (and it appears the board of trustees just did that)
> and am absolutely on board with #2 (along with the AD and university police
> head).
>
> But the rest are just ridiculous.
>
> Like I said, it's going overboard and punishing people who had absolutely
> NOTHING to do with this. And I know you mentioned Reggie Bush/USC, and that
> is the stupidity of the 5-years-late NCAA, but even there it has SOME
> connection in that these recruits came to SC because of the cheating going
> on and success it created. This has NOTHING to do with the PSU football
> players on or off the field.
>
> It would be like closing all the congregations and schools of an
> archdiocese where a priest was charged with abuse -- even if the priest
> never served directly at that parish.
>
> It would be like canceling classes at the university for the year if a
> professor raped a student. Even if none of the students in the class had
> the professor, but it happened in the department that their prof oversaw.
>
> I think we're getting out of hand here and the attention on the JoePa part
> is allowing the others who knew more and did less (and the actual
> perpetrator) to sit in the shadows unscathed.
>
> Let's calm down for a second and not get caught up in the feeding frenzy.
>
> Canceling the season is ridiculous. Canceling future seasons is absurd.
>
> - SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ------------------------------
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> *To:* MHRJGScott at aol.com
> *Cc:* nwu-sports at tssi.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
>
> So this is what Neil Kaplan and I were just talking about.
>
> If we were advising the governor of Pennsylvania, we would tell the
> governor:
>
> 1. Relieve Mr. Paterno of his duties immediately.
>
> 2. Ditto the university president.
>
> 3. Cancel the remainder of the 2011 Penn State football season.
>
> 4. Cancel the 2012 Penn State football season.
>
> 5. The state will honor the scholarships of those young men on the football
> team who wish to stay at Penn State. Those who wish to leave and pursue
> other opportunities will be released to do so.
>
> 6. Announce that you are taking these steps because the university's
> leaders have clearly lost their moral compass.
>
> 7. It is going to take some time for everyone to appropriately again
> understand how football fits into the scheme of the state's flagship
> university. Thus: no football until 2013.
>
> 8. Understandably, this means complications and a raft of details to be
> worked out. Today is not the day for details. Those details will be worked
> out, with the Big Ten and with our other partners.
>
> Neil and I believe that if the governor was to take this sort of decisive
> action it would be applauded around the United States. Thoughts? Comments?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 5:59 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Like the Roman Catholic Church, Penn State is an arrogant institution
> > hiding behind its mystique, an insular world that protects its own, and
> > operates
> >  outside of societal norms as long as victories and cash continue to flow
> > bountifully.Penn State rakes in $70 million a year from its football
> >  program
> > _______________________________________________
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> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 23:12:55 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:12:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] as one of the "mob" (thanks SJT) who called for
	Paterno's head
Message-ID: <1320901975.34613.YahooMailNeo@web114701.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

... I am glad, for him and for us,? the PSU board has spared us the sight of Joe coaching football any longer this season. It will help put the scandal behind for the innocents involved (the players, for example)? and allow the focus to shift more to those directly responsible for letting a monster such as Sandusky prey on innocents for 15-plus years. 


On available evidence, it appears Joe did the minimum legally to avoid charges. That, of course, could change on further investigations, another reason he needed to go.

But even if it does not, a university may have and should have higher standards for its staff -- especially high-profile, nationally-famous staff -- than just doing the minimum. I have no problem whatsoever with the Penn State board holding Spanier and Paterno to a higher standard and then enforcing it. The grand jury presentment makes it clear that Spanier and Paterno had opportunities to do more than they did. They did not. They failed. They failed their university, their community, their students and most of all the helpless boys who were (allegedly) victimized by a predator who played off his PSU connections to lure the boys and assaulted them in PSU facilities.


For that failure, they paid with their jobs and their reputations. I have no problem whatsoever with that, and if my writings played the tiniest role in bringing that about (which I have no illusions that they did) I am proud of that. 


If that be a "mob", then I'm mobbed up, SJT.

Brad Wilson











?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  9 23:55:08 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:55:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I hope no one ever cares enough/loses their mind over
	NU football so much ....
Message-ID: <1320904508.53875.YahooMailNeo@web114709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

to riot in the streets.

My God, what we become? 


Brad Wilson

?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Nov 10 00:53:26 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 00:53:26 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU and how this could have been so easily avoided..
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> I heard on ESPN, of all places, that as a result of this the legislature was changing the law to include teachers as mandatory reporters to DCFS. Now if that means state employed teachers or all teachers, I have no idea. 

I am not surprised about the intent, and it may even be an appropriate 
response and a useful piece of legislation, although it's not clear 
how many of the individuals involved in this mess, including Paterno, 
would be classified as a 'teacher'.

It usually takes several weeks if not months for a bill to work its 
way through a state legislature, and I don't see this one being 
much different,
--
Mike Nolan


From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 07:34:04 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:34:04 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
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PSU is going to need all that money and a hundred times more to fairly compensate the victims.  Let them play the games, the players deserve it.  I could o either way on a bowl now that Paternoster has been rightly fired.
Mark

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On Nov 9, 2011, at 3:09 PM, "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

> OR
> 
> Play the games.  
> 
>  Games, Give the seniors who want to play in the NFL a chance to make their case.
> 
> Give the PSU profits from the games to some fund for abused kids in general or the victims of Sandusky in particular.  Gives the football team an opportunity to help in the healing.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:06 PM
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
> 
> I know that greed and money will trump this, but I think it is in the best interest of the university to end this football season as soon as possible. 
>  
> A) Remove Paterno and McQueary today
> B) Publicly announce that the rest of the staff is done at the end of the season
> C) Skip the Big Ten Championship and a bowl (it sucks for the players, but life is unfair)
> D) Release any and all recruits and current players who want out
>  
> The school has a lot of soul searching and house cleaning to do. It will take months and months so they might as well start today. 
>  
> Jim
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
> To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
> Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] one angle I wonder about
> 
>> I think we are in uncharted waters ... the first BT championship game and 
>> now this? I don't know. And if PSU does decline a bowl bid and doesn't 
>> play in the BT title game ... strange.  At that point OSU's win over 
>> Wisconsin becomes huge.
> 
> Not that it matters in the big picture (except to the bean counters at
> all the Big Ten schools), but there are conference revenue implications 
> here.  Penn State was in the hunt for a BCS at-large slot even if 
> they lost the Big Ten Championship game.  
> 
>> You could make a case that PSU should play in the title game but not a 
>> bowl (obligation vs. reward) but ... I don't know.
> 
> Yeah, but if they win, who goes to the Rose Bowl?
> 
> USCF is ineligible for the Pac 12 championship game as well as a 
> bowl game, if Penn State takes itself out of the bowl season, then they
> should opt out of the Big Ten Championship game as well.
> 
>> I do know this: if Joe coaches Sat -- which I believe firmly he should 
>> not -- he better stay in the press box. The sight of him leading the 
>> team on the field would be grotesquely inappropriate.
> 
> I don't recall, did he do that for the past few games where he was up
> in the pressbox?
> --
> Mike Nolan
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 07:41:43 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:41:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
Message-ID: <89554.722e1be8.3bed2e96@aol.com>

I think Alan was right, but I appreciate the good debate from last night.  
The fact that college football and the big money it brings has corrupted the 
 most basic human value we have, protecting our children, is beyond belief. 
It  shows that a rethinking of our priorities is needed and the death 
penalty for  PSU football is appropriate.  Sure, innocent football players and 
fans will  be harmed, but that pales in comparison with the harm to those 10, 
20, or 100  boys raped by that sicko and shielded by his enablers who were 
the heart and  soul of the PSU football family.

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 08:15:28 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 06:15:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
In-Reply-To: <89554.722e1be8.3bed2e96@aol.com>
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Sorry - can't let this go as just a disagreement when the main proposal itself is so absurd.

The cavalier way in which you are willing to act to appease the mob (mostly a media-frenzy camera mob, Brad) is frightening and indeed shows mobocracy and rash decision making at its worst.

I'm sorry, but throw-away lines like "life's not fair" or moral pretzel-twisting to say that it's nothing compared to what 10, 20 or 100 boys are suffering DOES NOT make it the right decision.

If you're going to give a university the "death penalty" and close down its football program, you need to show some way in which these actions affected the football program or the students at the university -- no player on this team is remotely linked to the scandal and no issues of competitive or academic integrity for these students were harmed.

By these wild streams of logic, the entire athletic program needs to be shut down because the AD knew more and did less -- heck, shut down the entire university, right?

It's not just these student athletes who have been working for years to pursue a dream and have done nothing wrong, but also the overall community - especially one like State College - where it would be more than just fans, but real jobs and real people affected. I'm not sure how you can justify that wrong by saying that it at least isn't as bad as the other wrong.

We're getting WAY too caught up in this cable news mob that apparently learned nothing from Duke Lacrosse or numerous other scandals in the past. Take a breath. Turn off the news. Let oxygen flow to the brain again and we'll hopefully all realize that the thoughts here need to be with the victims and the outrage needs to be directed towards the people who did these acts and covered them up -- not at student athletes and a community who have no role in this.

- Stephen
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Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football

I think Alan was right, but I appreciate the good debate from last night.? 
The fact that college football and the big money it brings has corrupted the 
most basic human value we have, protecting our children, is beyond belief. 
It? shows that a rethinking of our priorities is needed and the death 
penalty for? PSU football is appropriate.? Sure, innocent football players and 
fans will? be harmed, but that pales in comparison with the harm to those 10, 
20, or 100? boys raped by that sicko and shielded by his enablers who were 
the heart and? soul of the PSU football family.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Nov 10 08:15:56 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:15:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
In-Reply-To: <89554.722e1be8.3bed2e96@aol.com>
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I think that the connection between the football program, Sandusky's
crimes, and the subsequent cover-up and coincidental.

The concern of those who perpetrated the cover-up was not the
preservation of the football program, but the reputation of the whole
institution.  The offense just happened to involve the football program,
but it could just as easily have involved any other prominent part of
the institution.

Here's a quick thought exercise to hopefully prove the point.

First the given, that Spanier (who in my mind is the most culpable
individual in the coverup) understood the full implications of the
report that he read in 2002 and chose only to distance the institution
from the perpetrator.  

Now let's change the actors.  Instead of Sandusky, it was a retired
physician who was part of the Pediatrics department of the Penn State
Hershey Children's Hospital who had been discovered in a similar
situation as Sandusky by an intern in 2002.  That's around the time PSU
was starting a fund raising effort for a new 250,000 sq foot facility
that recently broke ground.  The Children's Hospital is ranked as one of
the top facilities in the country.   What does Spanier do?

I suggest he does EXACTLY the same thing.

If we follow the logic of some on this list, that would mean that PSU
should suspend construction and close down the Children's Hospital.  

See what I mean?

Jeff

 

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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:42 AM
To: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football

I think Alan was right, but I appreciate the good debate from last
night.  
The fact that college football and the big money it brings has corrupted
the 
 most basic human value we have, protecting our children, is beyond
belief. 
It  shows that a rethinking of our priorities is needed and the death 
penalty for  PSU football is appropriate.  Sure, innocent football
players and 
fans will  be harmed, but that pales in comparison with the harm to
those 10, 
20, or 100  boys raped by that sicko and shielded by his enablers who
were 
the heart and  soul of the PSU football family.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Nov 10 08:17:37 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:17:37 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] kill PSU football
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC03EEBC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <89554.722e1be8.3bed2e96@aol.com>
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Darn spell check

I think that the connection between the football program, Sandusky's
crimes, and the subsequent cover-up ARE coincidental.

Jeff

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On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:16 AM
To: MHRJGScott at aol.com; alan.abrahamson at gmail.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football

I think that the connection between the football program, Sandusky's
crimes, and the subsequent cover-up and coincidental.

The concern of those who perpetrated the cover-up was not the
preservation of the football program, but the reputation of the whole
institution.  The offense just happened to involve the football program,
but it could just as easily have involved any other prominent part of
the institution.

Here's a quick thought exercise to hopefully prove the point.

First the given, that Spanier (who in my mind is the most culpable
individual in the coverup) understood the full implications of the
report that he read in 2002 and chose only to distance the institution
from the perpetrator.  

Now let's change the actors.  Instead of Sandusky, it was a retired
physician who was part of the Pediatrics department of the Penn State
Hershey Children's Hospital who had been discovered in a similar
situation as Sandusky by an intern in 2002.  That's around the time PSU
was starting a fund raising effort for a new 250,000 sq foot facility
that recently broke ground.  The Children's Hospital is ranked as one of
the top facilities in the country.   What does Spanier do?

I suggest he does EXACTLY the same thing.

If we follow the logic of some on this list, that would mean that PSU
should suspend construction and close down the Children's Hospital.  

See what I mean?

Jeff

 

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On Behalf Of MHRJGScott at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:42 AM
To: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] kill PSU football

I think Alan was right, but I appreciate the good debate from last
night.  
The fact that college football and the big money it brings has corrupted
the 
 most basic human value we have, protecting our children, is beyond
belief. 
It  shows that a rethinking of our priorities is needed and the death 
penalty for  PSU football is appropriate.  Sure, innocent football
players and 
fans will  be harmed, but that pales in comparison with the harm to
those 10, 
20, or 100  boys raped by that sicko and shielded by his enablers who
were 
the heart and  soul of the PSU football family.
_______________________________________________
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nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 09:11:08 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:11:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU's remaining season
Message-ID: <1320937868.28115.YahooMailNeo@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Let me start with a disclaimer. In the 18 years I have known SjT I have NEVER changed his mind about anything. Not once, ever - so I no longer try. If he says that Penn State needs to play in a bowl game then it must be so. 
?
That said, I think Penn State University has a lot of soul searching to do. In a nutshell what we have seen at Penn State is that several grown men let their judgment be clouded by the fact that "this could harm Penn State football". I think the school needs to take time to find its moral compass and prove to the world that football is not its first and only priority. There is more than one way to do that, but I think skipping the Big Ten championship game and a bowl game would send a powerful message. 
?
The team essentially has a contract to play its remaining regular season games. The players were not guaranteed anything beyond the 12 games. If PSU did decline both post-season appearances then it would definitely be unfair to the players on the team. I have been a victim of this sort of thing in my own life too. It sucks, but you can learn from it.
?
I think canceling the 2012 season?is a bridge too far. If they did decide to opt out of a bowl game (it's an option, they don't have to) it would give them an additional two months to look for new coaching staff and to reflect on all that has gone wrong in Happy Valley. 
?
Jim

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 10:41:17 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:41:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] UCF
Message-ID: <928d0.36034fb2.3bed58ad@aol.com>

Central Florida would be on ESPN were it not for PSU.  The athletic  
director and the top football recruiter were fired, while head basketball coach  
Donnie Jones was suspended without pay for three games for numerous NCAA  
violations. As a repeat offender UCF will get significant sanctions, but not  
enough to keep them from joining the Big East.

From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 11:16:04 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:16:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Not on List
Message-ID: <8CE6DE38F495BF3-1094-62DA@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>


Lenn Robbins, the NY POST's College Sports Beat Writer & Guru, posits in today's paper a list of "a few coaches who are sure to be discussed as successors to Joe Paterno."  His list is comprised of Urban Meyer, Greg Schiano (Rutgers), Tom Bradley (now Interim HC), and Al Golden (Miami, formerly Temple).  No citation to Fitz (and Robbins is well aware of Fitz and NU).  Couldn;t find a lik to the story.

Paul Levinson

From dmangoub at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 11:19:55 2011
From: dmangoub at aol.com (David Mangoubi)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:19:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Not on List
Message-ID: <8CE6DE4199D608D-128C-6795@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com>



 

 What happened to Ray Gricar, the Centre County, Pa., district attorney who chose not to prosecute the then-Penn State assistant coach in 1998 after reports surfaced that he had inappropriate interactions with a boy? 

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=1


Wow I think things are going to get much worse at Penn State.  Penn State is living an episode of Law & Order SVU.

 


 

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Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Not on List



Lenn Robbins, the NY POST's College Sports Beat Writer & Guru, posits in today's 
paper a list of "a few coaches who are sure to be discussed as successors to Joe 
Paterno."  His list is comprised of Urban Meyer, Greg Schiano (Rutgers), Tom 
Bradley (now Interim HC), and Al Golden (Miami, formerly Temple).  No citation 
to Fitz (and Robbins is well aware of Fitz and NU).  Couldn;t find a lik to the 
story.

Paul Levinson
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Nov 10 11:23:02 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:23:02 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Not on List
In-Reply-To: <8CE6DE38F495BF3-1094-62DA@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE6DE38F495BF3-1094-62DA@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
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The lists I've seen (including one by Teddy Greenstein) include those 3
(Meyer, Schiano, Golden) as the primary candidates; I haven't seen Fitz on
any list.  The 10 year contract extension inked this offseason is certainly
a huge reason why.  (Note I don't think Bradley is a serious candidate as
they will likely completely clean house after this season).

In my opinion, I don't think Fitz is going to be on the radar here given
that aforementioned extension as well as the situation there.  I'd look out
for someone currently out of coaching (e.g. Meyer) given what's been going
on and most coaches with good jobs would be unlikely to leave.  Though
Golden will be facing NCAA sanctions down in Miami, it's arguable which
spot is worse right now (example: Darren Rovell tweeted last night that a
lawyer said PSU's liability could be upwards of $100M - that would
certainly take a hit on the football program).

Jonathan

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On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:16 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Lenn Robbins, the NY POST's College Sports Beat Writer & Guru, posits in
> today's paper a list of "a few coaches who are sure to be discussed as
> successors to Joe Paterno."  His list is comprised of Urban Meyer, Greg
> Schiano (Rutgers), Tom Bradley (now Interim HC), and Al Golden (Miami,
> formerly Temple).  No citation to Fitz (and Robbins is well aware of Fitz
> and NU).  Couldn;t find a lik to the story.
>
> Paul Levinson
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Nov 10 11:23:51 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:23:51 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Not on List
In-Reply-To: <8CE6DE4199D608D-128C-6795@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE6DE4199D608D-128C-6795@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu6h1OAUm-nGr4H7RG-fUR2-a_uh_16DLEDKM4szUhX84g@mail.gmail.com>

And that's without even mentioning the rumors floating around this morning,
which I will refrain from repeating here.

--
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Contributor, HailToPurple
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Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM, David Mangoubi <dmangoub at aol.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>
>  What happened to Ray Gricar, the Centre County, Pa., district attorney
> who chose not to prosecute the then-Penn State assistant coach in 1998
> after reports surfaced that he had inappropriate interactions with a boy?
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=1
>
>
> Wow I think things are going to get much worse at Penn State.  Penn State
> is living an episode of Law & Order SVU.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
> To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:16 am
> Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Not on List
>
>
>
> Lenn Robbins, the NY POST's College Sports Beat Writer & Guru, posits in
> today's
> paper a list of "a few coaches who are sure to be discussed as successors
> to Joe
> Paterno."  His list is comprised of Urban Meyer, Greg Schiano (Rutgers),
> Tom
> Bradley (now Interim HC), and Al Golden (Miami, formerly Temple).  No
> citation
> to Fitz (and Robbins is well aware of Fitz and NU).  Couldn;t find a lik
> to the
> story.
>
> Paul Levinson
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>
>
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From dmangoub at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 11:26:36 2011
From: dmangoub at aol.com (David Mangoubi)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:26:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Not on List
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu6h1OAUm-nGr4H7RG-fUR2-a_uh_16DLEDKM4szUhX84g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CE6DE4199D608D-128C-6795@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com>
 <CAAxRJu6h1OAUm-nGr4H7RG-fUR2-a_uh_16DLEDKM4szUhX84g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CE6DE50863517C-128C-6963@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com>

Yes there is some major bulletin board accusations going around.  Time will tell and hopefully all the truth comes out.
 

 

 

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From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
To: David Mangoubi <dmangoub at aol.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:24 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz Not on List


And that's without even mentioning the rumors floating around this morning, which I will refrain from repeating here.

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Twitter: @hailtopurple
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On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:19 PM, David Mangoubi <dmangoub at aol.com> wrote:





 What happened to Ray Gricar, the Centre County, Pa., district attorney who chose not to prosecute the then-Penn State assistant coach in 1998 after reports surfaced that he had inappropriate interactions with a boy?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=1


Wow I think things are going to get much worse at Penn State.  Penn State is living an episode of Law & Order SVU.







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From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 10, 2011 11:16 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Not on List



Lenn Robbins, the NY POST's College Sports Beat Writer & Guru, posits in today's
paper a list of "a few coaches who are sure to be discussed as successors to Joe
Paterno."  His list is comprised of Urban Meyer, Greg Schiano (Rutgers), Tom
Bradley (now Interim HC), and Al Golden (Miami, formerly Temple).  No citation
to Fitz (and Robbins is well aware of Fitz and NU).  Couldn;t find a lik to the
story.

Paul Levinson
_______________________________________________
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 11:42:28 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:42:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU's remaining season
In-Reply-To: <1320937868.28115.YahooMailNeo@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320937868.28115.YahooMailNeo@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Now Jim, I've changed my mind on many things. (I used to think having a live tree for Christmas was a good idea, for instance ... :) ) But back to more serious matters that are not inside jokes ...
?
Hopefully you've also known me as someone who tries not to rush to judgement and tries to at least understand the various sides of an issue. Like I said, I didn't necessarily agree with the "Joe must go now" sentiment, but I can understand it.
?
This I cannot comprehend and seems like a mob rushing to action, not caring who gets hurt in the process.
?
And hopefully you also know me as someone who will not go with the flow just to appease a mobocracy frenzy of the moment -- I'm perfectly fine being in the list or national minority on this, the B(C)S or other issues where I am right.
?
The only reason people have given for the canceling of games and seasons so far is that "life's not fair," "it sucks but can be dealt with over time" or "at least it's not as bad as the abuse."
?
Those are just not good enough reasons to justify a decision that impacts dozens of student athletes who had NOTHING to do with this and thousands of local business owners and employees who also were not a part of this in any way.
?
To take it to a local example, if a high school football coach is caught up in a steroids scandal or grade-altering scandal, then there is a reason for the school to cancel games and suspend the program for a time -- this is what happened at Chicago and SMU. But if the coach is caught up in a scandal of abusing his wife or a DUI or something that has no direct link to the team, why punish the players? 
?
To carry out the will of the mobocracy and media hoopla here would mean harm to thousands for no justifiable reason. The university hospital analogy was a good one. People need to turn off the cable news and start calming down and thinking for once. Boldness is not always right. Grand gestures made in haste can be erroneous and two wrongs certainly do not make things right.
?
The players at Penn State have been put through a lot this week because of the actions of their coach, athletic director, university president and others. But not through any actions of their own. I think they will welcome an escape to the field instead of this media circus and since Spanier and Paterno are gone, I will have no problem cheering for them against Nebraska.
?
The mob anger here is misguided, and channeling it on the PSU players or local business owners and employees is wrong. Maybe life isn't fair and maybe it's not as bad as being abused as a child. But that still doesn't make it any more right.
?
Someone needs to be a voice of reason and tell the mob of media madness (not as eloquent as nattering nabobs of negativism, I agree) to go camp out on Spanier and Sandusky's lawns and hound the AD and police chief with the harsh spotlight glare and questions. Maybe if they did that, I would actually join them.
?
But leave these kids alone. There is no need to punish the innocent.
?
- Stephen

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From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:11 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU's remaining season

Let me start with a disclaimer. In the 18 years I have known SjT I have NEVER changed his mind about anything. Not once, ever - so I no longer try. If he says that Penn State needs to play in a bowl game then it must be so. 
?
That said, I think Penn State University has a lot of soul searching to do. In a nutshell what we have seen at Penn State is that several grown men let their judgment be clouded by the fact that "this could harm Penn State football". I think the school needs to take time to find its moral compass and prove to the world that football is not its first and only priority. There is more than one way to do that, but I think skipping the Big Ten championship game and a bowl game would send a powerful message. 
?
The team essentially has a contract to play its remaining regular season games. The players were not guaranteed anything beyond the 12 games. If PSU did decline both post-season appearances then it would definitely be unfair to the players on the team. I have been a victim of this sort of thing in my own life too. It sucks, but you can learn from it.
?
I think canceling the 2012 season?is a bridge too far. If they did decide to opt out of a bowl game (it's an option, they don't have to) it would give them an additional two months to look for new coaching staff and to reflect on all that has gone wrong in Happy Valley. 
?
Jim
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From neilkaplan at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 11:51:42 2011
From: neilkaplan at yahoo.com (Neil Kaplan)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:51:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU -latest from yahoo - rumors only
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ycn-10407023

From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Nov 10 12:02:13 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:02:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Not on List
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>  What happened to Ray Gricar, the Centre County, Pa., district attorney who chose not to prosecute the then-Penn State assistant coach in 1998 after reports surfaced that he had inappropriate interactions with a boy? 
> 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=1

Odd that this story doesn't cite Judge Crater, which seems much more
on point than Cooper, Earhart or Hoffa.  I guess the writer is too young 
to know that one.  Or Karen Silkwood, for you conspiracy buffs.

I keep wondering why this came as such a shock to Penn State officials,
including the Board of Trustees.  As I understand it, the Grand Jury started 
working on this something like 18 months ago, and the current Governor of
Pennsylvania was clearly aware of the case from when he was the
Attorney General.

Paterno and others all testified in front of the Grand Jury, people HAD 
to know it was likely to come out, and wasn't going to look good when it did.  
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 12:03:40 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:03:40 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU's remaining season
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I agree with Stephen. Anyone who attends USC knows a big risk is that they will cheat while those enrolling at  PSU don't  

While I am saying that half tongue in cheek I don't think its fair or right to punish the PSU team

I am glad we can claim Alan as an alum having attended school at the same time as him, and even watched him play tennis for us before his career as a writer, but his advice to the Govenor is only good advice if he has presidential aspirations, not the right thing to do. Political expediency (ie Alan's advice) should not trump what is right unless in the spirit of compromise it is required to get half of loaf vs none. This is not the case here.  

Penalize the school if the courts don't do it. Make them give a portion of revenue for the next umpteen years to fighting sexual child abuse but why penalize players who I'm guessing are good guys (or they wouldn't have desired to go to PSU) and force them to transfer or sit out? 

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:42:28 
To: Jim Leonard<jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] PSU's remaining season

Now Jim, I've changed my mind on many things. (I used to think having a live tree for Christmas was a good idea, for instance ... :) ) But back to more serious matters that are not inside jokes ...
?
Hopefully you've also known me as someone who tries not to rush to judgement and tries to at least understand the various sides of an issue. Like I said, I didn't necessarily agree with the "Joe must go now" sentiment, but I can understand it.
?
This I cannot comprehend and seems like a mob rushing to action, not caring who gets hurt in the process.
?
And hopefully you also know me as someone who will not go with the flow just to appease a mobocracy frenzy of the moment -- I'm perfectly fine being in the list or national minority on this, the B(C)S or other issues where I am right.
?
The only reason people have given for the canceling of games and seasons so far is that "life's not fair," "it sucks but can be dealt with over time" or "at least it's not as bad as the abuse."
?
Those are just not good enough reasons to justify a decision that impacts dozens of student athletes who had NOTHING to do with this and thousands of local business owners and employees who also were not a part of this in any way.
?
To take it to a local example, if a high school football coach is caught up in a steroids scandal or grade-altering scandal, then there is a reason for the school to cancel games and suspend the program for a time -- this is what happened at Chicago and SMU. But if the coach is caught up in a scandal of abusing his wife or a DUI or something that has no direct link to the team, why punish the players? 
?
To carry out the will of the mobocracy and media hoopla here would mean harm to thousands for no justifiable reason. The university hospital analogy was a good one. People need to turn off the cable news and start calming down and thinking for once. Boldness is not always right. Grand gestures made in haste can be erroneous and two wrongs certainly do not make things right.
?
The players at Penn State have been put through a lot this week because of the actions of their coach, athletic director, university president and others. But not through any actions of their own. I think they will welcome an escape to the field instead of this media circus and since Spanier and Paterno are gone, I will have no problem cheering for them against Nebraska.
?
The mob anger here is misguided, and channeling it on the PSU players or local business owners and employees is wrong. Maybe life isn't fair and maybe it's not as bad as being abused as a child. But that still doesn't make it any more right.
?
Someone needs to be a voice of reason and tell the mob of media madness (not as eloquent as nattering nabobs of negativism, I agree) to go camp out on Spanier and Sandusky's lawns and hound the AD and police chief with the harsh spotlight glare and questions. Maybe if they did that, I would actually join them.
?
But leave these kids alone. There is no need to punish the innocent.
?
- Stephen

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


________________________________
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:11 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU's remaining season

Let me start with a disclaimer. In the 18 years I have known SjT I have NEVER changed his mind about anything. Not once, ever - so I no longer try. If he says that Penn State needs to play in a bowl game then it must be so. 
?
That said, I think Penn State University has a lot of soul searching to do. In a nutshell what we have seen at Penn State is that several grown men let their judgment be clouded by the fact that "this could harm Penn State football". I think the school needs to take time to find its moral compass and prove to the world that football is not its first and only priority. There is more than one way to do that, but I think skipping the Big Ten championship game and a bowl game would send a powerful message. 
?
The team essentially has a contract to play its remaining regular season games. The players were not guaranteed anything beyond the 12 games. If PSU did decline both post-season appearances then it would definitely be unfair to the players on the team. I have been a victim of this sort of thing in my own life too. It sucks, but you can learn from it.
?
I think canceling the 2012 season?is a bridge too far. If they did decide to opt out of a bowl game (it's an option, they don't have to) it would give them an additional two months to look for new coaching staff and to reflect on all that has gone wrong in Happy Valley. 
?
Jim
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 12:44:58 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:44:58 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU's remaining season
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As a follow up to my support of SJT is to pose the question"Which will do more for society ?"

Cancelling a season and a half, hurting players ,shopkeepers,hotel employees etc or forcing a donation to charity ?  You could only argue the former if the deterrence from implementing a death penalty was so great such that no team would ever make the mistakes that PSU made and then you would need to argue that the latter(donation) was not enough of a deterrent

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:03:40 
To: SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)<sjtruog at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: hakirsch at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] PSU's remaining season

I agree with Stephen. Anyone who attends USC knows a big risk is that they will cheat while those enrolling at  PSU don't  

While I am saying that half tongue in cheek I don't think its fair or right to punish the PSU team

I am glad we can claim Alan as an alum having attended school at the same time as him, and even watched him play tennis for us before his career as a writer, but his advice to the Govenor is only good advice if he has presidential aspirations, not the right thing to do. Political expediency (ie Alan's advice) should not trump what is right unless in the spirit of compromise it is required to get half of loaf vs none. This is not the case here.  

Penalize the school if the courts don't do it. Make them give a portion of revenue for the next umpteen years to fighting sexual child abuse but why penalize players who I'm guessing are good guys (or they wouldn't have desired to go to PSU) and force them to transfer or sit out? 

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:42:28 
To: Jim Leonard<jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] PSU's remaining season

Now Jim, I've changed my mind on many things. (I used to think having a live tree for Christmas was a good idea, for instance ... :) ) But back to more serious matters that are not inside jokes ...
?
Hopefully you've also known me as someone who tries not to rush to judgement and tries to at least understand the various sides of an issue. Like I said, I didn't necessarily agree with the "Joe must go now" sentiment, but I can understand it.
?
This I cannot comprehend and seems like a mob rushing to action, not caring who gets hurt in the process.
?
And hopefully you also know me as someone who will not go with the flow just to appease a mobocracy frenzy of the moment -- I'm perfectly fine being in the list or national minority on this, the B(C)S or other issues where I am right.
?
The only reason people have given for the canceling of games and seasons so far is that "life's not fair," "it sucks but can be dealt with over time" or "at least it's not as bad as the abuse."
?
Those are just not good enough reasons to justify a decision that impacts dozens of student athletes who had NOTHING to do with this and thousands of local business owners and employees who also were not a part of this in any way.
?
To take it to a local example, if a high school football coach is caught up in a steroids scandal or grade-altering scandal, then there is a reason for the school to cancel games and suspend the program for a time -- this is what happened at Chicago and SMU. But if the coach is caught up in a scandal of abusing his wife or a DUI or something that has no direct link to the team, why punish the players? 
?
To carry out the will of the mobocracy and media hoopla here would mean harm to thousands for no justifiable reason. The university hospital analogy was a good one. People need to turn off the cable news and start calming down and thinking for once. Boldness is not always right. Grand gestures made in haste can be erroneous and two wrongs certainly do not make things right.
?
The players at Penn State have been put through a lot this week because of the actions of their coach, athletic director, university president and others. But not through any actions of their own. I think they will welcome an escape to the field instead of this media circus and since Spanier and Paterno are gone, I will have no problem cheering for them against Nebraska.
?
The mob anger here is misguided, and channeling it on the PSU players or local business owners and employees is wrong. Maybe life isn't fair and maybe it's not as bad as being abused as a child. But that still doesn't make it any more right.
?
Someone needs to be a voice of reason and tell the mob of media madness (not as eloquent as nattering nabobs of negativism, I agree) to go camp out on Spanier and Sandusky's lawns and hound the AD and police chief with the harsh spotlight glare and questions. Maybe if they did that, I would actually join them.
?
But leave these kids alone. There is no need to punish the innocent.
?
- Stephen

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


________________________________
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:11 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] PSU's remaining season

Let me start with a disclaimer. In the 18 years I have known SjT I have NEVER changed his mind about anything. Not once, ever - so I no longer try. If he says that Penn State needs to play in a bowl game then it must be so. 
?
That said, I think Penn State University has a lot of soul searching to do. In a nutshell what we have seen at Penn State is that several grown men let their judgment be clouded by the fact that "this could harm Penn State football". I think the school needs to take time to find its moral compass and prove to the world that football is not its first and only priority. There is more than one way to do that, but I think skipping the Big Ten championship game and a bowl game would send a powerful message. 
?
The team essentially has a contract to play its remaining regular season games. The players were not guaranteed anything beyond the 12 games. If PSU did decline both post-season appearances then it would definitely be unfair to the players on the team. I have been a victim of this sort of thing in my own life too. It sucks, but you can learn from it.
?
I think canceling the 2012 season?is a bridge too far. If they did decide to opt out of a bowl game (it's an option, they don't have to) it would give them an additional two months to look for new coaching staff and to reflect on all that has gone wrong in Happy Valley. 
?
Jim
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 13:36:32 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:36:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] What happened to Ray Gricar, the Centre County, Pa.,
	district attorney
Message-ID: <17a3c.612ac1da.3bed81c0@aol.com>

maybe he took a little trip
 
Jimmy Hoffa was scheduled to meet with Anthony "Tony Jack" Giacolone when  
he vanished in 1975 from the parking lot of the Machus Red Fox Restaurant in 
 Bloomfield Township. Instead of going to the restaurant, Giacalone was 
instead  seen uncharacteristically glad-handing his way around the Southfield 
Athletic  Club. When a mutual friend called Giacalone with concerns about the 
missing  Hoffa, Giacalone shrugged it off, saying, "Maybe he took a little  
trip."


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 14:46:50 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 12:46:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
Message-ID: <1320958010.56562.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

NU Friends,
?
I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were to call his father and?later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more?young children. I don't know how he can live with himself. 
?
A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
?
Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
?
To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
?
Success with Honor - what a joke. 
?
Jim

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 16:40:45 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:40:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
?
He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized?as a witness.?He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
?
What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
?
It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose corruption in corporate America).
?
It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be faced with that decision for real.
?
In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police, judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
?
McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him wanting to look the other way.
?
Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight on in the search for justice.
?
- Stephen

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 


________________________________
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

NU Friends,
?
I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were to call his father and?later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more?young children. I don't know how he can live with himself. 
?
A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
?
Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
?
To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
?
Success with Honor - what a joke. 
?
Jim
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 16:56:41 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:56:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
Message-ID: <22d76.70b94d8f.3bedb0a8@aol.com>

I do not understand it but nothing in this revolting case seems real. I get 
 the feeling that this is going to get worse, AOL is reporting a rumor that 
 Sandusky was "pimping" young boys to big donors to his  charity.

From michael.vance at att.net  Thu Nov 10 16:58:14 2011
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:58:14 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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Stephen-

My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.

-Michael
Sent from my mobile device...

On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
>  
> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
>  
> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
>  
> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose corruption in corporate America).
>  
> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be faced with that decision for real.
>  
> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police, judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
>  
> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him wanting to look the other way.
>  
> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight on in the search for justice.
>  
> - Stephen
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
> 
> NU Friends,
>  
> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live with himself. 
>  
> A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>  
> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>  
> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>  
> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>  
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
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From dale.kipp at matweb.com  Thu Nov 10 17:00:13 2011
From: dale.kipp at matweb.com (Dale Kipp)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:00:13 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
In-Reply-To: <1320958010.56562.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320958010.56562.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AEA016178D563D4A84B515E40C3A3BD1353C1E@zenith.ACI.local>

I've seen it suggested that McQueary is still on staff because he is
protected as a whistleblower.  

What I find most distasteful in this week's official reaction to the
scandal is that Curley and Schultz are getting their legal fees paid,
and Paterno and Spanier got their severance packages upon firing.  I
know that it is early in the process and these may be subject to change
and also that Penn State may have legal reasons to structure things this
way.

Looking back on earlier suggestions to kill PSU football...I say no.
You can't punish the institution as such because it always falls on the
stakeholders.  In the case of Penn State, 99.999% of the stakeholders
are completely innocent.  Innocent athletes who thought they were buying
into a clean program.  The student body.  Alums.  Local businesses. I
expect that the taxpayers of PA will be getting stuck for a big bill
too.  

As Peter mentioned earlier, the bill should be paid by the likes of
Curley, Schultz, Spanier, and others in positions of authority who knew
what was going on and yet covered things up.  To truly be a deterrent to
other institutions these people need to be prosecuted to the fullest
extent of the law in criminal court, and then bankrupted in civil
claims.


From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 17:14:08 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:14:08 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
In-Reply-To: <0DF4C495-7AFF-4E7F-A6EB-1890BD479F38@att.net>
References: <1320958010.56562.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <1320964845.87017.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <0DF4C495-7AFF-4E7F-A6EB-1890BD479F38@att.net>
Message-ID: <1455235817-1320966674-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1942792230-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Michael,

Your analysis is spot on.  In today's NY TIMES there was big atricle about McQueary.  He harbored ambitions to succeed JoePa, but would joke that Paterno would outlive him.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:58:14 
To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Stephen-

My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.

-Michael
Sent from my mobile device...

On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
>  
> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
>  
> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
>  
> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose corruption in corporate America).
>  
> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be faced with that decision for real.
>  
> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police, judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
>  
> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him wanting to look the other way.
>  
> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight on in the search for justice.
>  
> - Stephen
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
> 
> NU Friends,
>  
> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live with himself. 
>  
> A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>  
> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>  
> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>  
> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>  
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

_______________________________________________
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 17:21:55 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:21:55 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
In-Reply-To: <0DF4C495-7AFF-4E7F-A6EB-1890BD479F38@att.net>
References: <1320958010.56562.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <1320964845.87017.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <0DF4C495-7AFF-4E7F-A6EB-1890BD479F38@att.net>
Message-ID: <1876565035-1320967316-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1927400429-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

I inclined to have some of SJT's views here as well as Dennis'. It easy to say we would do the right thing but for a low man at  his age 22-25 ? at the time he probably figured he did his responsibility and didn't want to risk anything going forward 

I would hope had I been his age I would have done more but I could see myself at 23  feeling good about reporting it and let the powers that be handle it
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:58:14 
To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Stephen-

My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.

-Michael
Sent from my mobile device...

On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
>  
> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
>  
> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
>  
> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose corruption in corporate America).
>  
> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be faced with that decision for real.
>  
> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police, judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
>  
> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him wanting to look the other way.
>  
> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight on in the search for justice.
>  
> - Stephen
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
> 
> NU Friends,
>  
> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live with himself. 
>  
> A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>  
> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>  
> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>  
> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>  
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

_______________________________________________
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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Nov 10 17:22:40 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:22:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] More problems at Ohio State
Message-ID: <20111110232240.5F50964F0A@romaine.tssi.com>

Ohio State has been informed by the NCAA that they will face a
'failure to monitor' charge in addition to the other charges already
on the table.  
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 17:27:09 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:27:09 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
In-Reply-To: <1455235817-1320966674-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1942792230-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1320958010.56562.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <1320964845.87017.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <0DF4C495-7AFF-4E7F-A6EB-1890BD479F38@att.net>
 <1455235817-1320966674-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1942792230-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1073701332-1320967630-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-223152928-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

It will cost the University and the State (Commonwealth) a ton of money

1 Lawsuits from who knows how many will step and claim they were victims 

2 Loss of sponsorship

3 Gate and royalty revenue (clothes etc)
4 TV
5 Joe Pa's ability to bring in alumni money out th
e window
6 Recruiting and new coaching costs-  will have to pay huge to restart program

I'm glad I'm not a PA taxpayer

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:14:08 
To: Michael Vance<michael.vance at att.net>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Michael,

Your analysis is spot on.  In today's NY TIMES there was big atricle about McQueary.  He harbored ambitions to succeed JoePa, but would joke that Paterno would outlive him.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:58:14 
To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Stephen-

My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.

-Michael
Sent from my mobile device...

On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
>  
> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
>  
> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
>  
> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose corruption in corporate America).
>  
> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be faced with that decision for real.
>  
> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police, judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
>  
> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him wanting to look the other way.
>  
> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight on in the search for justice.
>  
> - Stephen
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
> 
> NU Friends,
>  
> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live with himself. 
>  
> A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>  
> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>  
> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>  
> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>  
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

_______________________________________________
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Nov 10 17:42:36 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:42:36 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
In-Reply-To: <1073701332-1320967630-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-223152928-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1320958010.56562.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <1320964845.87017.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <0DF4C495-7AFF-4E7F-A6EB-1890BD479F38@att.net>
 <1455235817-1320966674-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1942792230-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
 <1073701332-1320967630-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-223152928-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu4xTUrP4guHPW5kQd3kSVYE-YGO3wK1JZQvbP2JHJC3xg@mail.gmail.com>

On the money angle:

- As mentioned earlier, one lawyer said liability could be $100M+.
- The board of trustees already mentioned that there will likely be some
sort of buyout involved regarding Spanier's contract.
- One prominent sponsor has already pulled: Sherwin Williams (look at the
press conference backdrop before and after).

This will obviously be a huge setback to the program that will hang over
them for years, if not much longer.

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 6:27 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> It will cost the University and the State (Commonwealth) a ton of money
>
> 1 Lawsuits from who knows how many will step and claim they were victims
>
> 2 Loss of sponsorship
>
> 3 Gate and royalty revenue (clothes etc)
> 4 TV
> 5 Joe Pa's ability to bring in alumni money out th
> e window
> 6 Recruiting and new coaching costs-  will have to pay huge to restart
> program
>
> I'm glad I'm not a PA taxpayer
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: neonrye at aol.com
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:14:08
> To: Michael Vance<michael.vance at att.net>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>;
> Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>
> Michael,
>
> Your analysis is spot on.  In today's NY TIMES there was big atricle about
> McQueary.  He harbored ambitions to succeed JoePa, but would joke that
> Paterno would outlive him.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:58:14
> To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>
> Stephen-
>
> My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in
> your proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything,
> he could have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could
> have told Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to
> get some experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of
> recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose
> to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy
> for him.
>
> -Michael
> Sent from my mobile device...
>
> On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend
> him with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the
> student athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
> >
> > He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a
> crime - someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized
> as a witness. He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and
> never hears anything back.
> >
> > What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the
> people up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being
> protected by someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If
> he presses the issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
> >
> > It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had
> to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had
> apparently decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which
> takes great risk and usually comes with attacks and questions of its own
> (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual misconduct charges against a
> powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose corruption in
> corporate America).
> >
> > It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll
> never have to be faced with that decision for real.
> >
> > In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be
> swarming right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice.
> They need to be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into
> the files of the university and local police, judges and district attorneys
> who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the board of
> trustees themselves and what type of environment they fostered and the type
> of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
> >
> > McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing
> the whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the
> low man on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a
> crime (though he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not
> even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him wanting to
> look the other way.
> >
> > Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to
> focus the spotlight on in the search for justice.
> >
> > - Stephen
> >
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> > sjtruog at yahoo.com
> > GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> > Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> > To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
> > Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
> >
> > NU Friends,
> >
> > I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at
> Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being
> abused. His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe
> Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl
> trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live with himself.
> >
> > A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
> > B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
> > C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could
> have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
> > D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people.
> >
> > Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they
> allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday,
> that is over.
> >
> > To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal
> obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear
> conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been
> kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT
> more to say.
> >
> > Success with Honor - what a joke.
> >
> > Jim
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> _______________________________________________
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> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 17:49:34 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:49:34 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
In-Reply-To: <1876565035-1320967316-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1927400429-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1320958010.56562.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <1320964845.87017.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <0DF4C495-7AFF-4E7F-A6EB-1890BD479F38@att.net>
 <1876565035-1320967316-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1927400429-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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Harry,

I agree with your initial premise, but would you still "feel good" at ages 24, 25, 26, etc., when Sandusky kept coming around with young boys??!!

Paul
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:21:55 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

I inclined to have some of SJT's views here as well as Dennis'. It easy to say we would do the right thing but for a low man at  his age 22-25 ? at the time he probably figured he did his responsibility and didn't want to risk anything going forward 

I would hope had I been his age I would have done more but I could see myself at 23  feeling good about reporting it and let the powers that be handle it
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:58:14 
To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Stephen-

My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.

-Michael
Sent from my mobile device...

On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
>  
> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
>  
> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
>  
> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose corruption in corporate America).
>  
> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be faced with that decision for real.
>  
> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police, judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
>  
> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him wanting to look the other way.
>  
> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight on in the search for justice.
>  
> - Stephen
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
> 
> NU Friends,
>  
> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live with himself. 
>  
> A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>  
> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>  
> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>  
> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>  
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

_______________________________________________
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nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Nov 10 17:55:38 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:55:38 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
In-Reply-To: <873339151-1320968800-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-895971790-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1320958010.56562.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <1320964845.87017.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <0DF4C495-7AFF-4E7F-A6EB-1890BD479F38@att.net>
 <1876565035-1320967316-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1927400429-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
 <873339151-1320968800-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-895971790-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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Paul

Point is well taken if I was witness to further acts.  

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:49:34 
To: <hakirsch at aol.com>; Michael Vance<michael.vance at att.net>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Harry,

I agree with your initial premise, but would you still "feel good" at ages 24, 25, 26, etc., when Sandusky kept coming around with young boys??!!

Paul
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:21:55 
To: Michael Vance<michael.vance at att.net>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: hakirsch at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

I inclined to have some of SJT's views here as well as Dennis'. It easy to say we would do the right thing but for a low man at  his age 22-25 ? at the time he probably figured he did his responsibility and didn't want to risk anything going forward 

I would hope had I been his age I would have done more but I could see myself at 23  feeling good about reporting it and let the powers that be handle it
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:58:14 
To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Stephen-

My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.

-Michael
Sent from my mobile device...

On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
>  
> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
>  
> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
>  
> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose corruption in corporate America).
>  
> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be faced with that decision for real.
>  
> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police, judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
>  
> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him wanting to look the other way.
>  
> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight on in the search for justice.
>  
> - Stephen
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
> 
> NU Friends,
>  
> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live with himself. 
>  
> A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>  
> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>  
> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>  
> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>  
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

_______________________________________________
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 18:28:27 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (Stephen Truog)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:28:27 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
In-Reply-To: <0DF4C495-7AFF-4E7F-A6EB-1890BD479F38@att.net>
References: <1320958010.56562.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <1320964845.87017.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <0DF4C495-7AFF-4E7F-A6EB-1890BD479F38@att.net>
Message-ID: <45EA232D-4853-4CF8-99C7-757E8F68E78C@yahoo.com>

Good point - I can understand that. Also a good point that mc query may have whistleblower protection. 

In any case, bigger fish to fry and I do mean dry when it comes to spaniel and Sandusky.

STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net> wrote:

> Stephen-
> 
> My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.
> 
> -Michael
> Sent from my mobile device...
> 
> On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
>> 
>> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
>> 
>> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
>> 
>> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose corruption in corporate America).
>> 
>> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be faced with that decision for real.
>> 
>> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police, judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
>> 
>> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him wanting to look the other way.
>> 
>> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight on in the search for justice.
>> 
>> - Stephen
>> 
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
>> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>> 
>> NU Friends,
>> 
>> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live with himself. 
>> 
>> A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
>> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
>> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
>> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>> 
>> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>> 
>> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>> 
>> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>> 
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 21:03:10 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:03:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I hope the mob of media madness is happy ...
Message-ID: <1320980590.49853.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

"Penn State athletics has released the following statement: "Due to multiple threats made against Assistant Coach Mike McQueary, the University has decided it would be in the best interest of all for Assistant Coach McQueary not to be in attendance at Saturday's Nebraska game."
?
The cable news feeding frenzy is busy calling for heads, condemning students for rioting and all this, but they need to start taking a breath and realizing that they are adding to this atmosphere as much as anything else.

Stephen

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 21:13:19 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:13:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
In-Reply-To: <45EA232D-4853-4CF8-99C7-757E8F68E78C@yahoo.com>
References: <1320958010.56562.YahooMailNeo@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <1320964845.87017.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <0DF4C495-7AFF-4E7F-A6EB-1890BD479F38@att.net>
 <45EA232D-4853-4CF8-99C7-757E8F68E78C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1320981199.36264.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Stephen,

My gripe with McQueary isn't really about him getting a paycheck. It has to do with the University saying "you can represent us" so he may be a small fish but what the University stands for is a BIG FISH.?

Regardless, there is one flaw in your 'whistleblower' excuse. In the traditional sense a whistleblower (say someone working in a baby food factor) has to be an insider and give the inside information that makes or breaks the case. That is not true with a child rape case. The police would be obligated to investigate even an anonymous claim if it was credible. So McQueary could have made an anonymous phone call naming Sandusky and the specific shower location and that would have triggered a police inquiry. When the police showed up he could have played dumb and told them what he saw.?

I think I'm even more angry at his pathetic father who could have easily bailed his son out of that pickle by making an anonymous call.?

These two men (Jr. & Sr. McQueary) sold out good judgement. It's shameful.?

Jim




________________________________
From: Stephen Truog <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Good point - I can understand that. Also a good point that mc query may have whistleblower protection. 

In any case, bigger fish to fry and I do mean dry when it comes to spaniel and Sandusky.

STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net> wrote:

> Stephen-
> 
> My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.
> 
> -Michael
> Sent from my mobile device...
> 
> On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
>> 
>> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
>> 
>> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
>> 
>> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose corruption in corporate America).
>> 
>> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be faced with that decision for real.
>> 
>> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police, judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
>> 
>> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him wanting to look the other way.
>> 
>> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight on in the search for justice.
>> 
>> - Stephen
>> 
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
>> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>> 
>> NU Friends,
>> 
>> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live with himself. 
>> 
>> A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
>> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
>> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
>> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>> 
>> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>> 
>> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>> 
>> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>> 
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 21:17:42 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:17:42 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] I hope the mob of media madness is happy ...
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Stephen,

I recognize your frustration about what you call the "cable-news feeding
frenzy."

But this is the reality of the world we live in now.

They -- whoever this "they" is -- are hardly about to start "taking a
breath."

This is where we are now. It's just fact.

Warm regards, and I mean that -- warm regards, Alan



On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 7:03 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> "Penn State athletics has released the following statement: "Due to
> multiple threats made against Assistant Coach Mike McQueary, the University
> has decided it would be in the best interest of all for Assistant Coach
> McQueary not to be in attendance at Saturday's Nebraska game."
>
> The cable news feeding frenzy is busy calling for heads, condemning
> students for rioting and all this, but they need to start taking a breath
> and realizing that they are adding to this atmosphere as much as anything
> else.
>
> Stephen
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 10 22:52:01 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:52:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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It's certainly understandable, but I find it incredibly ironic that almost no 
one is talking about the perpretator of this tragedy.

I'm no lawyer, but could any of the attorneys out there comment on why Sandusky 
is out on a seemingly-insignificant $100,000 bail?? If ever there's a danger to 
the community, it would seem to be him.


?



________________________________
From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: neonrye at aol.com; Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>; 
nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, November 10, 2011 5:55:38 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Paul

Point is well taken if I was witness to further acts.? 

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:49:34 
To: <hakirsch at aol.com>; Michael Vance<michael.vance at att.net>; 
<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Harry,

I agree with your initial premise, but would you still "feel good" at ages 24, 
25, 26, etc., when Sandusky kept coming around with young boys??!!

Paul
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:21:55 
To: Michael Vance<michael.vance at att.net>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; 
Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: hakirsch at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

I inclined to have some of SJT's views here as well as Dennis'. It easy to say 
we would do the right thing but for a low man at? his age 22-25 ? at the time he 
probably figured he did his responsibility and didn't want to risk anything 
going forward 


I would hope had I been his age I would have done more but I could see myself at 
23? feeling good about reporting it and let the powers that be handle it
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:58:14 
To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Stephen-

My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your 
proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could 
have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told 
Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to get some 
experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of recommendation, and 
with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose to stay among those who 
hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.

-Michael
Sent from my mobile device...

On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
wrote:

> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him 
>with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student 
>athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
>? 
> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - 
>someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. 
>He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything 
>back.
>? 
> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people 
>up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by 
>someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the 
>issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
>? 
> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had to 
>decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently 
>decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and 
>usually comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's 
>brought up sexual misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an 
>employee trying to expose corruption in corporate America).
>? 
> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have 
>to be faced with that decision for real.
>? 
> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming 
>right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to 
>be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the 
>university and local police, judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... 
>heck, they should be looking into the board of trustees themselves and what type 
>of environment they fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they 
>said they were shocked).
>? 
> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the 
>whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man 
>on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though 
>he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he 
>saw all of the people in power around him wanting to look the other way.
>? 
> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the 
>spotlight on in the search for justice.
>? 
> - Stephen
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
> 
> NU Friends,
>? 
> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn 
>State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. 
>His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years 
>after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young 
>children. I don't know how he can live with himself. 
>
>? 
> A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have 
>too, what's wrong with that guy?)
> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>? 
> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow 
>him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>
>? 
> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal 
>obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and 
>good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that 
>if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>
>? 
> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>? 
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 23:07:50 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:07:50 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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The primary purpose of bail is to ensure the defendant's appearance in
court.

In some cases, as we all know, a high bail can be required when there's a
finding of a substantial likelihood of harm to others. My guess is that the
judge's reasoning went like this: 1. State College is a small place. 2. Mr.
Sandusky is exceedingly well-known and unlikely to harm anyone else right
now because everyone in town is watching him. 3. Indeed, in these moments,
the person to whom Mr. Sandusky may well pose the most danger is himself.



On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> It's certainly understandable, but I find it incredibly ironic that almost
> no
> one is talking about the perpretator of this tragedy.
>
> I'm no lawyer, but could any of the attorneys out there comment on why
> Sandusky
> is out on a seemingly-insignificant $100,000 bail?  If ever there's a
> danger to
> the community, it would seem to be him.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
> To: neonrye at aol.com; Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>;
> nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thu, November 10, 2011 5:55:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>
> Paul
>
> Point is well taken if I was witness to further acts.
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: neonrye at aol.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:49:34
> To: <hakirsch at aol.com>; Michael Vance<michael.vance at att.net>;
> <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>
> Harry,
>
> I agree with your initial premise, but would you still "feel good" at ages
> 24,
> 25, 26, etc., when Sandusky kept coming around with young boys??!!
>
> Paul
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hakirsch at aol.com
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:21:55
> To: Michael Vance<michael.vance at att.net>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>;
> Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: hakirsch at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>
> I inclined to have some of SJT's views here as well as Dennis'. It easy to
> say
> we would do the right thing but for a low man at  his age 22-25 ? at the
> time he
> probably figured he did his responsibility and didn't want to risk anything
> going forward
>
>
> I would hope had I been his age I would have done more but I could see
> myself at
> 23  feeling good about reporting it and let the powers that be handle it
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:58:14
> To: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>
> Stephen-
>
> My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in
> your
> proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he
> could
> have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told
> Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to get some
> experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of recommendation,
> and
> with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose to stay among
> those who
> hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.
>
> -Michael
> Sent from my mobile device...
>
> On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend
> him
> >with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student
> >athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
> >
> > He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a
> crime -
> >someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a
> witness.
> >He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears
> anything
> >back.
> >
> > What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the
> people
> >up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by
> >someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses
> the
> >issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
> >
> > It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had
> to
> >decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently
> >decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great
> risk and
> >usually comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's
> >brought up sexual misconduct charges against a powerful political figure,
> or an
> >employee trying to expose corruption in corporate America).
> >
> > It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll
> never have
> >to be faced with that decision for real.
> >
> > In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be
> swarming
> >right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They
> need to
> >be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of
> the
> >university and local police, judges and district attorneys who knew of
> this ...
> >heck, they should be looking into the board of trustees themselves and
> what type
> >of environment they fostered and the type of people they hired (and why
> they
> >said they were shocked).
> >
> > McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the
> >whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the
> low man
> >on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime
> (though
> >he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not even do)
> because he
> >saw all of the people in power around him wanting to look the other way.
> >
> > Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to
> focus the
> >spotlight on in the search for justice.
> >
> > - Stephen
> >
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> > sjtruog at yahoo.com
> > GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> > Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> > To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
> > Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
> >
> > NU Friends,
> >
> > I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at
> Penn
> >State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being
> abused.
> >His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For
> years
> >after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more
> young
> >children. I don't know how he can live with himself.
> >
> >
> > A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
> > B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
> > C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could
> have
> >too, what's wrong with that guy?)
> > D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people.
> >
> > Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they
> allow
> >him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that
> is over.
> >
> >
> > To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal
> >obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear
> conscience and
> >good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff
> is that
> >if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say.
> >
> >
> > Success with Honor - what a joke.
> >
> > Jim
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
> _______________________________________________
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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Nov 10 23:13:52 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:13:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
In-Reply-To: <1320987121.2791.YahooMailRC@web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111111051352.632D864F0A@romaine.tssi.com>

> It's certainly understandable, but I find it incredibly ironic that 
> almost no  > one is talking about the perpretator of this tragedy.
> 
> I'm no lawyer, but could any of the attorneys out there comment on why S
> Sandusky is out on a seemingly-insignificant $100,000 bail? 

> If ever there's a danger to  the community, it would seem to be him.

I"m not a lawyer, but your definition of 'danger to the community' is 
probably not the same as that in the law. 

Is he likely to become violent?  

Given the attendant publicity, is he likely to have the same type of
access to minors that he had in the past?  It's not like he was sneaking
around in dark alleys or hanging around school parking lots.  

There's also could have been other conditions imposed upon him
as part of the release on bail that have not been as widely reported.

It is ironic that the alleged perpetrator is often guaranteed fairer
treatment than others, though.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 10 23:20:32 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:20:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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In regards to the whistleblower part, I have absolutely no knowledge if that is the case or not -- I was just saying that it was an interesting possibility when someone else raised it. He may have made a deal with the prosecuting attorney.

And in regards to him going to the police, apparently they were the ones who made Sandusky promise not to take any more showers with children in 1998 -- so again, look at this from his shoes. The cops know and apparently did nothing but have a talk with him three years earlier and no one in the district attorney's office did anything. McQueary told his boss, Paterno, and nothing happened. And this guy apparently has friends high enough in the university framework to have an office and full access after retirement.

State College is a small place and as we've seen the last couple days, it appears a lot of the leaders and authority figures in town and on campus were aware of this and nothing had been done. You're a grad assistant and (as we're seeing now) will probably see as much blame/threats as a whistleblower than anything else.

As others have said, he could have just left town -- but again, that could be viewed as a cowardly act that left this to happen to more children. And if, as reported, he was recognized by Sandusky in the locker room, the protection of an anonymous report would not be there either.

Like I said, I'm not excusing this at all and he's had to live with this for a decade. But it's easy to say what we would have done in hindsight -- I would hope I would have done the right thing, but looking back at my first job out of college, had I seen a powerful figure in a small town doing something illegal and reported it to my boss and nothing was done, I'm not sure how far I'd push it either if it looked like the cops, lawyers, university officials and everyone else were in on the cover-up.

In any case, I think the anger and media frenzy is directed in the wrong place with the talk about McQueary and the team canceling games (which thankfully saw a voice of reason in the media today from NU alum Wilbon who called it absolutely absurd) -- the angry mob has gotten Paterno's head and put McQueary under death threats. Let's shine the spotlight at Spanier and Sandusky for a change.

Stephen
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
To: 
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Stephen,

My gripe with McQueary isn't really about him getting a paycheck. It has to do with the University saying "you can represent us" so he may be a small fish but what the University stands for is a BIG FISH.?

Regardless, there is one flaw in your 'whistleblower' excuse. In the traditional sense a whistleblower (say someone working in a baby food factor) has to be an insider and give the inside information that makes or breaks the case. That is not true with a child rape case. The police would be obligated to investigate even an anonymous claim if it was credible. So McQueary could have made an anonymous phone call naming Sandusky and the specific shower location and that would have triggered a police inquiry. When the police showed up he could have played dumb and told them what he saw.?

I think I'm even more angry at his pathetic father who could have easily bailed his son out of that pickle by making an anonymous call.?

These two men (Jr. & Sr. McQueary) sold out good judgement. It's shameful.?

Jim




________________________________
From: Stephen Truog <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Good point - I can understand that. Also a good point that mc query may have whistleblower protection. 

In any case, bigger fish to fry and I do mean dry when it comes to spaniel and Sandusky.

STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net> wrote:

> Stephen-
> 
> My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.
> 
> -Michael
> Sent from my mobile device...
> 
> On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
>> 
>> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
>> 
>> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
>> 
>> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose corruption in corporate America).
>> 
>> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be faced with that decision for real.
>> 
>> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police, judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
>> 
>> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him wanting to look the other way.
>> 
>> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight on in the search for justice.
>> 
>> - Stephen
>> 
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
>> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>> 
>> NU Friends,
>> 
>> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live with himself. 
>> 
>> A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
>> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
>> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
>> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>> 
>> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>> 
>> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>> 
>> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>> 
>> Jim
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 10 23:28:58 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:28:58 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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Super-interesting front-page story in tomorrow's editions of the New York
Times - I have cut and pasted the first few paragraphs for those who don't
have access to the NYT ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/sports/ncaafootball/tom-corbett-pennsylvania-governor-couldnt-discuss-inquiry.html?hp

For months, Gov. Tom Corbett of Pennsylvania had reason to suspect a sexual
abuse scandal was going to explode at Penn
State<http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/p/pennsylvania_state_university/index.html?inline=nyt-org>
University.
He also had no way to talk about it, or to prepare for it.

Mr. Corbett, as state attorney general, had begun an investigation in 2009
into allegations that a former Penn State assistant football coach had
abused young boys, and that university officials might have covered up the
scandal. He had convened a grand jury, and his prosecutors had taken
testimony. But when he ran for governor, and even after he took office, he
was obligated to keep the investigation secret, even as he saw the
university officials at the center of the investigation doing little to
address the substance of the inquiry.

?He was upset about the inaction,? said Kevin Harley, who worked with Mr.
Corbett in the attorney general?s office and is now his press secretary.
?He knew what witnesses were going to the grand jury even though he was
running for governor. So then he became governor, and he knew at some point
that this day would be coming. He just didn?t know when it would be.?

That day came last Friday, when the charges became public against the
former coach, Jerry Sandusky, and two senior university officials.
Suddenly, though, Mr. Corbett faced a new challenge: as governor, he was
effectively a member of Penn State?s board of
trustees<http://www.psu.edu/trustees/>,
the body that would decide how to handle the crisis, when to act and who,
if anyone, to fire. But he also knew information about the investigation
that he could not share with anyone, including other trustees, and was
still bound by rules prohibiting prosecutors from making possibly
prejudicial statements.

Over the next four days, then, Mr. Corbett, a Republican, kept his public
statements spare, calling on trustees to act quickly and aggressively. But
privately, he worked to move the board in what he believed was the right
direction. He called multiple members, including Vice Chairman John P.
Surma, the chief executive of U.S. Steel, and told them that the country
was watching, that a change at the top was needed and that the issue was
about more than a football program, according to a person with knowledge of
his efforts.

Mr. Corbett eventually decided to send a public signal: he formally
announced he would attend the scheduled meeting of the trustees on Friday,
something he had never done before ...



On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 9:20 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> In regards to the whistleblower part, I have absolutely no knowledge if
> that is the case or not -- I was just saying that it was an interesting
> possibility when someone else raised it. He may have made a deal with the
> prosecuting attorney.
>
> And in regards to him going to the police, apparently they were the ones
> who made Sandusky promise not to take any more showers with children in
> 1998 -- so again, look at this from his shoes. The cops know and apparently
> did nothing but have a talk with him three years earlier and no one in the
> district attorney's office did anything. McQueary told his boss, Paterno,
> and nothing happened. And this guy apparently has friends high enough in
> the university framework to have an office and full access after retirement.
>
> State College is a small place and as we've seen the last couple days, it
> appears a lot of the leaders and authority figures in town and on campus
> were aware of this and nothing had been done. You're a grad assistant and
> (as we're seeing now) will probably see as much blame/threats as a
> whistleblower than anything else.
>
> As others have said, he could have just left town -- but again, that could
> be viewed as a cowardly act that left this to happen to more children. And
> if, as reported, he was recognized by Sandusky in the locker room, the
> protection of an anonymous report would not be there either.
>
> Like I said, I'm not excusing this at all and he's had to live with this
> for a decade. But it's easy to say what we would have done in hindsight --
> I would hope I would have done the right thing, but looking back at my
> first job out of college, had I seen a powerful figure in a small town
> doing something illegal and reported it to my boss and nothing was done,
> I'm not sure how far I'd push it either if it looked like the cops,
> lawyers, university officials and everyone else were in on the cover-up.
>
> In any case, I think the anger and media frenzy is directed in the wrong
> place with the talk about McQueary and the team canceling games (which
> thankfully saw a voice of reason in the media today from NU alum Wilbon who
> called it absolutely absurd) -- the angry mob has gotten Paterno's head and
> put McQueary under death threats. Let's shine the spotlight at Spanier and
> Sandusky for a change.
>
> Stephen
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> To:
> Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>
> Stephen,
>
> My gripe with McQueary isn't really about him getting a paycheck. It has
> to do with the University saying "you can represent us" so he may be a
> small fish but what the University stands for is a BIG FISH.
>
> Regardless, there is one flaw in your 'whistleblower' excuse. In the
> traditional sense a whistleblower (say someone working in a baby food
> factor) has to be an insider and give the inside information that makes or
> breaks the case. That is not true with a child rape case. The police would
> be obligated to investigate even an anonymous claim if it was credible. So
> McQueary could have made an anonymous phone call naming Sandusky and the
> specific shower location and that would have triggered a police inquiry.
> When the police showed up he could have played dumb and told them what he
> saw.
>
> I think I'm even more angry at his pathetic father who could have easily
> bailed his son out of that pickle by making an anonymous call.
>
> These two men (Jr. & Sr. McQueary) sold out good judgement. It's shameful.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Stephen Truog <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> To: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
> Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>
> Good point - I can understand that. Also a good point that mc query may
> have whistleblower protection.
>
> In any case, bigger fish to fry and I do mean dry when it comes to spaniel
> and Sandusky.
>
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net> wrote:
>
> > Stephen-
> >
> > My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in
> your proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything,
> he could have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could
> have told Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to
> get some experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of
> recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose
> to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy
> for him.
> >
> > -Michael
> > Sent from my mobile device...
> >
> > On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <
> sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't
> defend him with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give
> the student athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
> >>
> >> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a
> crime - someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized
> as a witness. He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and
> never hears anything back.
> >>
> >> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the
> people up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being
> protected by someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If
> he presses the issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
> >>
> >> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but he had
> to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had
> apparently decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which
> takes great risk and usually comes with attacks and questions of its own
> (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual misconduct charges against a
> powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose corruption in
> corporate America).
> >>
> >> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll
> never have to be faced with that decision for real.
> >>
> >> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be
> swarming right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice.
> They need to be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into
> the files of the university and local police, judges and district attorneys
> who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the board of
> trustees themselves and what type of environment they fostered and the type
> of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
> >>
> >> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing
> the whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the
> low man on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a
> crime (though he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not
> even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him wanting to
> look the other way.
> >>
> >> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to
> focus the spotlight on in the search for justice.
> >>
> >> - Stephen
> >>
> >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> >> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> >> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> >> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> >> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> >> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
> >> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
> >>
> >> NU Friends,
> >>
> >> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll
> at Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy
> being abused. His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe
> Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl
> trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live with himself.
> >>
> >> A) He could have intervened in the shower room.
> >> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
> >> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could
> have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
> >> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people.
> >>
> >> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they
> allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday,
> that is over.
> >>
> >> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal
> obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear
> conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been
> kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT
> more to say.
> >>
> >> Success with Honor - what a joke.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nwu-sports site list
> >> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> >> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nwu-sports site list
> >> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> >> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
> _______________________________________________
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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Nov 10 23:57:40 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:57:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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> Super-interesting front-page story in tomorrow's editions of the New York
> Times - I have cut and pasted the first few paragraphs for those who don't
> have access to the NYT ...

I think you left out the most interesting line:

     The grand jury indictment had been filed under seal, but because 
     of a computer glitch it had mistakenly been made public.

As the Church Lady might have said, "A computer glitch.  How conveeeenient!"
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 00:38:12 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 22:38:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Thanks Alan ...
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I had been trying my best to avoid media coverage on this for obvious reasons (plus we get enough on this list these days ... anyone have anything about the Rice game? :) ) ...

But that was an interesting NY Times article and shows that a heck of a lot of people knew this bombshell was coming and that it must have been incredibly tough for him to legally say nothing -- and at a fortunate computer error to finally break through those sealed indictment strings. It's the type of in-depth and insightful piece that makes me have hope that good journalism can still inform us about the "more to the story" part of a scandal than just react to the 24-hour headlines with more screaming and rumors.

And yes, I understand that it's the way the world is today -- doesn't mean I have to like it or accept it (much like the B(C)S). It's tough teaching journalism to high school students today and trying to explain why a reporter shouldn't do this and ethically cannot do that when they point to the cable news networks and say "well they do" ... ugh.

But I'm glad I didn't miss this article that started looking for more information and facts instead of just feeding the frenzy.

Warm regards in return,
- Stephen
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Super-interesting front-page story in tomorrow's editions of the New York Times - I have cut and pasted the first few paragraphs for those who don't have access to the NYT ...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/11/sports/ncaafootball/tom-corbett-pennsylvania-governor-couldnt-discuss-inquiry.html?hp

For months, Gov. Tom Corbett of Pennsylvania had reason to suspect a sexual abuse scandal was going to explode at?Penn State?University. He also had no way to talk about it, or to prepare for it.

Mr. Corbett, as state attorney general, had begun an investigation in 2009 into allegations that a former Penn State assistant football coach had abused young boys, and that university officials might have covered up the scandal. He had convened a grand jury, and his prosecutors had taken testimony. But when he ran for governor, and even after he took office, he was obligated to keep the investigation secret, even as he saw the university officials at the center of the investigation doing little to address the substance of the inquiry.
?He was upset about the inaction,? said Kevin Harley, who worked with Mr. Corbett in the attorney general?s office and is now his press secretary. ?He knew what witnesses were going to the grand jury even though he was running for governor. So then he became governor, and he knew at some point that this day would be coming. He just didn?t know when it would be.?
That day came last Friday, when the charges became public against the former coach, Jerry Sandusky, and two senior university officials. Suddenly, though, Mr. Corbett faced a new challenge: as governor, he was effectively a member of?Penn State?s board of trustees, the body that would decide how to handle the crisis, when to act and who, if anyone, to fire. But he also knew information about the investigation that he could not share with anyone, including other trustees, and was still bound by rules prohibiting prosecutors from making possibly prejudicial statements.
Over the next four days, then, Mr. Corbett, a Republican, kept his public statements spare, calling on trustees to act quickly and aggressively. But privately, he worked to move the board in what he believed was the right direction. He called multiple members, including Vice Chairman John P. Surma, the chief executive of U.S. Steel, and told them that the country was watching, that a change at the top was needed and that the issue was about more than a football program, according to a person with knowledge of his efforts.
Mr. Corbett eventually decided to send a public signal: he formally announced he would attend the scheduled meeting of the trustees on Friday, something he had never done before ...

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 01:01:29 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:01:29 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Call off the PSU game?
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The Philadelphia Inquirer's lead sports columnist,the erudite and deliberative Bob Ford -- no leader of mobs, he -- says PSU should do just that. 

I don't agree but Bob is no cable-news screamer or hysteric. He also gets listened to. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Nov 11 06:14:45 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:14:45 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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>> Super-interesting front-page story in tomorrow's editions of the New York
>> Times - I have cut and pasted the first few paragraphs for those who 
>> don't
>> have access to the NYT ...
>
> I think you left out the most interesting line:
>
>     The grand jury indictment had been filed under seal, but because
>     of a computer glitch it had mistakenly been made public.
>
> As the Church Lady might have said, "A computer glitch.  How 
> conveeeenient!"
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Nov 11 06:15:32 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 07:15:32 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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Computers don't make errors.  They do exactly what some human being told 
them to do, either accidentally or deliberately.

----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff


>> Super-interesting front-page story in tomorrow's editions of the New York
>> Times - I have cut and pasted the first few paragraphs for those who 
>> don't
>> have access to the NYT ...
>
> I think you left out the most interesting line:
>
>     The grand jury indictment had been filed under seal, but because
>     of a computer glitch it had mistakenly been made public.
>
> As the Church Lady might have said, "A computer glitch.  How 
> conveeeenient!"
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 07:07:06 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:07:06 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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Ironically enough, the Times also has a story about the release of Nixon's Grand Jury testimony in 1975, the year after he resigned and was then pardoned and thus was testifying with immunity, save for perjury.  He "stonewalled", in classic Nixonian style, and would not shed any factual light on the genesis of the infamous 18 1/2-minute "gap" in the Watergate Tapes.  Must have been the same "glitch" (or gremlin) that leaked the Sandusky "sealed" indictment.  As a former prosecutor, believe me, that just doesn't "happen".

And yes, $100,000 bail seems low to me, given the number of alleged victims, the severity of the charges, and the lengthy sentence Sandusky is facing--as well as the conservative leanings of central PA with regard to law enforcement issues.

Paul Levinson
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Computers don't make errors.  They do exactly what some human being told 
them to do, either accidentally or deliberately.

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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 12:57 AM
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>> Super-interesting front-page story in tomorrow's editions of the New York
>> Times - I have cut and pasted the first few paragraphs for those who 
>> don't
>> have access to the NYT ...
>
> I think you left out the most interesting line:
>
>     The grand jury indictment had been filed under seal, but because
>     of a computer glitch it had mistakenly been made public.
>
> As the Church Lady might have said, "A computer glitch.  How 
> conveeeenient!"
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 08:59:48 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:59:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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For the record, it is very easy for me to say what I would have done. I was raised not to look the other way when children are abused. McQueary was raised with some other standard and he can live with that every time he looks in the mirror. I realize that I'm at outlier, but I have challenged authority many times in my life. That's part of the reason I am generally unpopular.
?
I am not going after him so much as I am attacking Penn State for standing by him. 
?
Imagine that today the PSU running backs coach used racial slurs in reference to Nebraska players. What would happen? Penn State would immediately suspend or fire the guy because "people who make statements like that cannot represent us." HOWEVER, you look the other way when you see a boy being raped and then stay quite for 8+ years? Sure, stay on the payroll and continue to represent the school. What. A. Joke. 
?
Jim
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PS - I am still at a loss as to how McQueary's father didn't tip off police. That makes me think this cover up gets MUCH bigger in the coming months. 
?


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To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff


In regards to the whistleblower part, I have absolutely no knowledge if that is the case or not -- I was just saying that it was an interesting possibility when someone else raised it. He may have made a deal with the prosecuting attorney.

And in regards to him going to the police, apparently they were the ones who made Sandusky promise not to take any more showers with children in 1998 -- so again, look at this from his shoes. The cops know and apparently did nothing but have a talk with him three years earlier and no one in the district attorney's office did anything. McQueary told his boss, Paterno, and nothing happened. And this guy apparently has friends high enough in the university framework to have an office and full access after retirement.

State College is a small place and as we've seen the last couple days, it appears a lot of the leaders and authority figures in town and on campus were aware of this and nothing had been done. You're a grad assistant and (as we're seeing now) will probably see as much blame/threats as a whistleblower than anything else.

As others have said, he could have just left town -- but again, that could be viewed as a cowardly act that left this to happen to more children. And if, as reported, he was recognized by Sandusky in the locker room, the protection of an anonymous report would not be there either.

Like I said, I'm not excusing this at all and he's had to live with this for a decade. But it's easy to say what we would have done in hindsight -- I would hope I would have done the right thing, but looking back at my first job out of college, had I seen a powerful figure in a small town doing something illegal and reported it to my boss and nothing was done, I'm not sure how far I'd push it either if it looked like the cops, lawyers, university officials and everyone else were in on the cover-up.

In any case, I think the anger and media frenzy is directed in the wrong place with the talk about McQueary and the team canceling games (which thankfully saw a voice of reason in the media today from NU alum Wilbon who called it absolutely absurd) -- the angry mob has gotten Paterno's head and put McQueary under death threats. Let's shine the spotlight at Spanier and Sandusky for a change.

Stephen

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From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
To: 
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Stephen,

My gripe with McQueary isn't really about him getting a paycheck. It has to do with the University saying "you can represent us" so he may be a small fish but what the University stands for is a BIG FISH.?

Regardless, there is one flaw in your 'whistleblower' excuse. In the traditional sense a whistleblower (say someone working in a baby food factor) has to be an insider and give the inside information that makes or breaks the case. That is not true with a child rape case. The police would be obligated to investigate even an anonymous claim if it was credible. So McQueary could have made an anonymous phone call naming Sandusky and the specific shower location and that would have triggered a police inquiry. When the police showed up he could have played dumb and told them what he saw.?

I think I'm even more angry at his pathetic father who could have easily bailed his son out of that pickle by making an anonymous
 call.?

These two men (Jr. & Sr. McQueary) sold out good judgement. It's shameful.?

Jim




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To: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
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Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Good point - I can understand that. Also a good point that mc query may have whistleblower protection. 

In any case, bigger fish to fry and I do mean dry when it comes to spaniel and Sandusky.

STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net> wrote:

> Stephen-
> 
> My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could have left the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno that he thought it was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the PSU system, gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.
> 
> -Michael
> Sent from my mobile device...
> 
> On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the "death penalty" ... BUT ...
>> 
>> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He reports it to an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
>> 
>> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be fired, blacklisted or worse.
>> 
>> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but
 he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose corruption in corporate America).
>> 
>> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be faced with that decision for real.
>> 
>> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police, judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they
 fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
>> 
>> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him wanting to look the other way.
>> 
>> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight on in the search for justice.
>> 
>> - Stephen
>> 
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
>> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>> 
>> NU Friends,
>> 
>> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live with himself. 
>> 
>> A) He could have intervened in the shower
 room.
>> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
>> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too, what's wrong with that guy?)
>> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>> 
>> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>> 
>> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>> 
>> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>> 
>> Jim
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 10:18:40 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:18:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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McQuery will not coach due to death threats. I took this link from the NYT  
story
 
_http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/03/jerry_sandusky_former_pe
nn_sta.html_ 
(http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/03/jerry_sandusky_former_penn_sta.html) 
 
which shows that this has been public since March, the wheels of justice  
sure are slow

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 11 11:24:30 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:24:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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Of course you realize that McQueary is getting death threats because he reported the
incident to Joe Pa, as you normally would do, and because of everyone else's inaction, he
is now perceived as the culprit in all this - the man who brought down the icon.

In reading almost all of the various stories about McQueary, he: 1. Is originally from
State College and was a HS football star there, 2. Was recruited by JoePa and apparently
considered him one step down from God 3. Played well enough at Penn State to eventually
start, 3. Was one of those guys who stay around their college program, trying to move up
the ladder until they reached the top job.

I'm sure that when he saw Jerry Sandusky engaging in sodomy against what it appeared to
be, and later turned out to be a young boy, he was shocked and figured his Penn State
career was over regardless of what he did. I'm sure he had heard the rumors about 1998,
and was conflicted about whether Sandusky would even be charged, much less convicted. 

Remember, nothing much came of the 1998 investigation.

So he told his boss, Joe Paterno, and carried on regardless of how he felt, because, I
would guess, Joe Paterno told him that he would take care of it. 

I'm sure Paterno thought, "Oh Crap, Sandusky is at it again..." and passed the info on the
his "boss" the AD.

The deeper issue with this entire story is that back in 1998, when Sandusky was caught the
first time, Paterno exercised his power as head coach and essentially fired him from the
program. To apparently ease the situation, they allowed Sandusky to continue in some kind
of emeritus position, and allowed him an office and a phone. He probably helped with
recruiting some of the kids he'd been working on prior to the first incident and Penn
State wanted to continue the apparently positive work of his foundation.

(FWIW - Oklahoma did the same thing for Barry Switzer after they forced him out, so I
wasn't surprised that they let Sandusky keep a campus presence.)

And remember also that back in 1998, Pedophilia was not quite the hot button with police
that it is today. Forming task forces in Attorney General's offices has been a relatively
new thing and prior to the 90's, making those cases could sometimes be difficult because
of needing credible witnesses, and a lack of laws making child pornography a separate
violation. Cracking computer storage also wasn't something at the front of vice units of
law enforcement. Besides, Sandusky engaged deviant sexual conduct with young boys, and
didn't collect dirty pictures.

Apparently the present State of Pennsylvania Attorney General, backed by the former AG who
is now Governor, will take more action regarding Sandusky's alleged crime. You have to
wonder if the disappearance of the County Attorney, who some speculate committed suicide,
is tied to the reappearance of the charges against Sandusky, especially since they had
originally decided not to prosecute Sandusky. It?s a shame the hard drive on the laptop
was unreadable.

At this point I don't think calling for shutting down Penn State's football program, or
taking the "profits" from the program, or any of the other things some people are
proposing will make a bit of difference in the final analysis. Or - IMHO - Wilbon was
right last night.

All head coaches will now have to take a closer look at their assistants, and the
hangers-on around their program. The issues surrounding Miami, and OSU, also related not
to the staff, but those who wanted to be close to the athletes for those schools and were
willing to pay for access. 

It is obvious that Sandusky needed his foundation to be close to the football program
because it gave him credibility, and Penn State wanted to be associated with the work of
that foundation. 

There will be a lot more changes around Div I athletics because of this, many not for the
better.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Leonard
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:00 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

For the record, it is very easy for me to say what I would have done. I was raised not to
look the other way when children are abused. McQueary was raised with some other standard
and he can live with that every time he looks in the mirror. I realize that I'm at
outlier, but I have challenged authority many times in my life. That's part of the reason
I am generally unpopular.
?
I am not going after him so much as I am attacking Penn State for standing by him. 
?
Imagine that today the PSU running backs coach used racial slurs in reference to Nebraska
players. What would happen? Penn State would immediately suspend or fire the guy because
"people who make statements like that cannot represent us." HOWEVER, you look the other
way when you see a boy being raped and then stay quite for 8+ years? Sure, stay on the
payroll and continue to represent the school. What. A. Joke. 
?
Jim
?
PS - I am still at a loss as to how McQueary's father didn't tip off police. That makes me
think this cover up gets MUCH bigger in the coming months. 
?


________________________________
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff


In regards to the whistleblower part, I have absolutely no knowledge if that is the case
or not -- I was just saying that it was an interesting possibility when someone else
raised it. He may have made a deal with the prosecuting attorney.

And in regards to him going to the police, apparently they were the ones who made Sandusky
promise not to take any more showers with children in 1998 -- so again, look at this from
his shoes. The cops know and apparently did nothing but have a talk with him three years
earlier and no one in the district attorney's office did anything. McQueary told his boss,
Paterno, and nothing happened. And this guy apparently has friends high enough in the
university framework to have an office and full access after retirement.

State College is a small place and as we've seen the last couple days, it appears a lot of
the leaders and authority figures in town and on campus were aware of this and nothing had
been done. You're a grad assistant and (as we're seeing now) will probably see as much
blame/threats as a whistleblower than anything else.

As others have said, he could have just left town -- but again, that could be viewed as a
cowardly act that left this to happen to more children. And if, as reported, he was
recognized by Sandusky in the locker room, the protection of an anonymous report would not
be there either.

Like I said, I'm not excusing this at all and he's had to live with this for a decade. But
it's easy to say what we would have done in hindsight -- I would hope I would have done
the right thing, but looking back at my first job out of college, had I seen a powerful
figure in a small town doing something illegal and reported it to my boss and nothing was
done, I'm not sure how far I'd push it either if it looked like the cops, lawyers,
university officials and everyone else were in on the cover-up.

In any case, I think the anger and media frenzy is directed in the wrong place with the
talk about McQueary and the team canceling games (which thankfully saw a voice of reason
in the media today from NU alum Wilbon who called it absolutely absurd) -- the angry mob
has gotten Paterno's head and put McQueary under death threats. Let's shine the spotlight
at Spanier and Sandusky for a change.

Stephen

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super
 Bowl XLIV Champions!

________________________________



________________________________
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
To: 
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Stephen,

My gripe with McQueary isn't really about him getting a paycheck. It has to do with the
University saying "you can represent us" so he may be a small fish but what the University
stands for is a BIG FISH.?

Regardless, there is one flaw in your 'whistleblower' excuse. In the traditional sense a
whistleblower (say someone working in a baby food factor) has to be an insider and give
the inside information that makes or breaks the case. That is not true with a child rape
case. The police would be obligated to investigate even an anonymous claim if it was
credible. So McQueary could have made an anonymous phone call naming Sandusky and the
specific shower location and that would have triggered a police inquiry. When the police
showed up he could have played dumb and told them what he saw.?

I think I'm even more angry at his pathetic father who could have easily bailed his son
out of that pickle by making an anonymous
 call.?

These two men (Jr. & Sr. McQueary) sold out good judgement. It's shameful.?

Jim




________________________________
From: Stephen Truog <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Good point - I can understand that. Also a good point that mc query may have whistleblower
protection. 

In any case, bigger fish to fry and I do mean dry when it comes to spaniel and Sandusky.

STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net> wrote:

> Stephen-
> 
> My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your
proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could have left
the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno that he thought it
was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the PSU system,
gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he
chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.
> 
> -Michael
> Sent from my mobile device...
> 
> On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the
voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the
"death penalty" ... BUT ...
>> 
>> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone
with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He reports it to
an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
>> 
>> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the
ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who
is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be
fired, blacklisted or worse.
>> 
>> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but
 he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently
decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually
comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual
misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose
corruption in corporate America).
>> 
>> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be
faced with that decision for real.
>> 
>> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now
in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of
Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police,
judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the
board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they
 fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
>> 
>> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor
the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who
was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which
a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him
wanting to look the other way.
>> 
>> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight
on in the search for justice.
>> 
>> - Stephen
>> 
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
>> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>> 
>> NU Friends,
>> 
>> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By
his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were
to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen
Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live
with himself. 
>> 
>> A) He could have intervened in the shower
 room.
>> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
>> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too,
what's wrong with that guy?)
>> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>> 
>> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to
remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>> 
>> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It
had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I
think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk
and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>> 
>> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>> 
>> Jim
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 12:33:24 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:33:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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I don't want to see this story go any deeper than it has, but I will make one prediction. 
?
"The deeper issue with this entire story is that back in 1998, when Sandusky was caught the
first time, Paterno exercised his power as head coach and essentially fired him from the
program.'
?
It is highly doubtful that Sandusky's behavior started at age 55. By the time the dust settles, I think we'll learn that his trail of victims goes back to the 70s and that there were "rumors" around the football program for a long time before 1998. 
?
Jim


________________________________
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: 'Jim Leonard' <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; 'Northwestern Wildcats' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Of course you realize that McQueary is getting death threats because he reported the
incident to Joe Pa, as you normally would do, and because of everyone else's inaction, he
is now perceived as the culprit in all this - the man who brought down the icon.

In reading almost all of the various stories about McQueary, he: 1. Is originally from
State College and was a HS football star there, 2. Was recruited by JoePa and apparently
considered him one step down from God 3. Played well enough at Penn State to eventually
start, 3. Was one of those guys who stay around their college program, trying to move up
the ladder until they reached the top job.

I'm sure that when he saw Jerry Sandusky engaging in sodomy against what it appeared to
be, and later turned out to be a young boy, he was shocked and figured his Penn State
career was over regardless of what he did. I'm sure he had heard the rumors about 1998,
and was conflicted about whether Sandusky would even be charged, much less convicted. 

Remember, nothing much came of the 1998 investigation.

So he told his boss, Joe Paterno, and carried on regardless of how he felt, because, I
would guess, Joe Paterno told him that he would take care of it. 

I'm sure Paterno thought, "Oh Crap, Sandusky is at it again..." and passed the info on the
his "boss" the AD.

The deeper issue with this entire story is that back in 1998, when Sandusky was caught the
first time, Paterno exercised his power as head coach and essentially fired him from the
program. To apparently ease the situation, they allowed Sandusky to continue in some kind
of emeritus position, and allowed him an office and a phone. He probably helped with
recruiting some of the kids he'd been working on prior to the first incident and Penn
State wanted to continue the apparently positive work of his foundation.

(FWIW - Oklahoma did the same thing for Barry Switzer after they forced him out, so I
wasn't surprised that they let Sandusky keep a campus presence.)

And remember also that back in 1998, Pedophilia was not quite the hot button with police
that it is today. Forming task forces in Attorney General's offices has been a relatively
new thing and prior to the 90's, making those cases could sometimes be difficult because
of needing credible witnesses, and a lack of laws making child pornography a separate
violation. Cracking computer storage also wasn't something at the front of vice units of
law enforcement. Besides, Sandusky engaged deviant sexual conduct with young boys, and
didn't collect dirty pictures.

Apparently the present State of Pennsylvania Attorney General, backed by the former AG who
is now Governor, will take more action regarding Sandusky's alleged crime. You have to
wonder if the disappearance of the County Attorney, who some speculate committed suicide,
is tied to the reappearance of the charges against Sandusky, especially since they had
originally decided not to prosecute Sandusky. It?s a shame the hard drive on the laptop
was unreadable.

At this point I don't think calling for shutting down Penn State's football program, or
taking the "profits" from the program, or any of the other things some people are
proposing will make a bit of difference in the final analysis. Or - IMHO - Wilbon was
right last night.

All head coaches will now have to take a closer look at their assistants, and the
hangers-on around their program. The issues surrounding Miami, and OSU, also related not
to the staff, but those who wanted to be close to the athletes for those schools and were
willing to pay for access. 

It is obvious that Sandusky needed his foundation to be close to the football program
because it gave him credibility, and Penn State wanted to be associated with the work of
that foundation. 

There will be a lot more changes around Div I athletics because of this, many not for the
better.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
? Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Leonard
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:00 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

For the record, it is very easy for me to say what I would have done. I was raised not to
look the other way when children are abused. McQueary was raised with some other standard
and he can live with that every time he looks in the mirror. I realize that I'm at
outlier, but I have challenged authority many times in my life. That's part of the reason
I am generally unpopular.
?
I am not going after him so much as I am attacking Penn State for standing by him. 
?
Imagine that today the PSU running backs coach used racial slurs in reference to Nebraska
players. What would happen? Penn State would immediately suspend or fire the guy because
"people who make statements like that cannot represent us." HOWEVER, you look the other
way when you see a boy being raped and then stay quite for 8+ years? Sure, stay on the
payroll and continue to represent the school. What. A. Joke. 
?
Jim
?
PS - I am still at a loss as to how McQueary's father didn't tip off police. That makes me
think this cover up gets MUCH bigger in the coming months. 
?


________________________________
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff


In regards to the whistleblower part, I have absolutely no knowledge if that is the case
or not -- I was just saying that it was an interesting possibility when someone else
raised it. He may have made a deal with the prosecuting attorney.

And in regards to him going to the police, apparently they were the ones who made Sandusky
promise not to take any more showers with children in 1998 -- so again, look at this from
his shoes. The cops know and apparently did nothing but have a talk with him three years
earlier and no one in the district attorney's office did anything. McQueary told his boss,
Paterno, and nothing happened. And this guy apparently has friends high enough in the
university framework to have an office and full access after retirement.

State College is a small place and as we've seen the last couple days, it appears a lot of
the leaders and authority figures in town and on campus were aware of this and nothing had
been done. You're a grad assistant and (as we're seeing now) will probably see as much
blame/threats as a whistleblower than anything else.

As others have said, he could have just left town -- but again, that could be viewed as a
cowardly act that left this to happen to more children. And if, as reported, he was
recognized by Sandusky in the locker room, the protection of an anonymous report would not
be there either.

Like I said, I'm not excusing this at all and he's had to live with this for a decade. But
it's easy to say what we would have done in hindsight -- I would hope I would have done
the right thing, but looking back at my first job out of college, had I seen a powerful
figure in a small town doing something illegal and reported it to my boss and nothing was
done, I'm not sure how far I'd push it either if it looked like the cops, lawyers,
university officials and everyone else were in on the cover-up.

In any case, I think the anger and media frenzy is directed in the wrong place with the
talk about McQueary and the team canceling games (which thankfully saw a voice of reason
in the media today from NU alum Wilbon who called it absolutely absurd) -- the angry mob
has gotten Paterno's head and put McQueary under death threats. Let's shine the spotlight
at Spanier and Sandusky for a change.

Stephen

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super
Bowl XLIV Champions!

________________________________



________________________________
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
To: 
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Stephen,

My gripe with McQueary isn't really about him getting a paycheck. It has to do with the
University saying "you can represent us" so he may be a small fish but what the University
stands for is a BIG FISH.?

Regardless, there is one flaw in your 'whistleblower' excuse. In the traditional sense a
whistleblower (say someone working in a baby food factor) has to be an insider and give
the inside information that makes or breaks the case. That is not true with a child rape
case. The police would be obligated to investigate even an anonymous claim if it was
credible. So McQueary could have made an anonymous phone call naming Sandusky and the
specific shower location and that would have triggered a police inquiry. When the police
showed up he could have played dumb and told them what he saw.?

I think I'm even more angry at his pathetic father who could have easily bailed his son
out of that pickle by making an anonymous
call.?

These two men (Jr. & Sr. McQueary) sold out good judgement. It's shameful.?

Jim




________________________________
From: Stephen Truog <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Good point - I can understand that. Also a good point that mc query may have whistleblower
protection. 

In any case, bigger fish to fry and I do mean dry when it comes to spaniel and Sandusky.

STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net> wrote:

> Stephen-
> 
> My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your
proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could have left
the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno that he thought it
was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the PSU system,
gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he
chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.
> 
> -Michael
> Sent from my mobile device...
> 
> On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the
voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the
"death penalty" ... BUT ...
>> 
>> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone
with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He reports it to
an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
>> 
>> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the
ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who
is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be
fired, blacklisted or worse.
>> 
>> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but
he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently
decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually
comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual
misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose
corruption in corporate America).
>> 
>> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be
faced with that decision for real.
>> 
>> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now
in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of
Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police,
judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the
board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they
fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
>> 
>> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor
the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who
was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which
a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him
wanting to look the other way.
>> 
>> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight
on in the search for justice.
>> 
>> - Stephen
>> 
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
>> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>> 
>> NU Friends,
>> 
>> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By
his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were
to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen
Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live
with himself. 
>> 
>> A) He could have intervened in the shower
room.
>> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
>> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too,
what's wrong with that guy?)
>> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>> 
>> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to
remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>> 
>> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It
had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I
think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk
and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>> 
>> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>> 
>> Jim
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Fri Nov 11 12:39:35 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:39:35 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Should Penn State cancel its FB season?
Message-ID: <CAN7senhOVq3CLgNLH_jevn=EwE-nD0v4nghMbAyk7NuP2CqpBw@mail.gmail.com>

NYT debate:
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/11/10/should-penn-state-cancel-its-season

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 14:53:15 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:53:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction
Message-ID: <1321044795.33136.YahooMailNeo@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
?
Penn State has certainly distracted me this week but it is Friday and we do have a game tomorrow. 
?
Last Saturday's upset was by far the biggest win of Fitz's young career. The one thing he cannnot do if let the follow-up performance be like Miami of Ohio in 1995. Fitz and the players understand that they have finally played a full 60 minutes of football and that a win tomorrow keeps bowl hopes alive.
?
Rice: 17
Northwestern: 31
?
LET'S GO CATS!!!!!!!!!!!
?
Victory & Honor,
Jim

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 15:14:34 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:14:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction
Message-ID: <37f4d.28eb9c6a.3beeea3a@aol.com>

I think you are giving Rice too much credit
CATS!!! 35
Rice 0

From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Fri Nov 11 15:19:56 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:19:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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McQueary was just put on paid administrative leave (indefinite) by the
interim PSU Pres & AD.  As others said, he was not going to be at this
Saturday's game due to threats.

Also, this article says that he is likely protected by whistleblower law
like many here said:

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/11/whistleblower-law-keeping-mcqueary-on-the-job/

And PA Gov just essentially confirmed that this was why he is still
employed.

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
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Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I don't want to see this story go any deeper than it has, but I will make
> one prediction.
>
> "The deeper issue with this entire story is that back in 1998, when
> Sandusky was caught the
> first time, Paterno exercised his power as head coach and essentially
> fired him from the
> program.'
>
> It is highly doubtful that Sandusky's behavior started at age 55. By the
> time the dust settles, I think we'll learn that his trail of victims goes
> back to the 70s and that there were "rumors" around the football program
> for a long time before 1998.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
> To: 'Jim Leonard' <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; 'Northwestern Wildcats' <
> nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:24 AM
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>
> Of course you realize that McQueary is getting death threats because he
> reported the
> incident to Joe Pa, as you normally would do, and because of everyone
> else's inaction, he
> is now perceived as the culprit in all this - the man who brought down the
> icon.
>
> In reading almost all of the various stories about McQueary, he: 1. Is
> originally from
> State College and was a HS football star there, 2. Was recruited by JoePa
> and apparently
> considered him one step down from God 3. Played well enough at Penn State
> to eventually
> start, 3. Was one of those guys who stay around their college program,
> trying to move up
> the ladder until they reached the top job.
>
> I'm sure that when he saw Jerry Sandusky engaging in sodomy against what
> it appeared to
> be, and later turned out to be a young boy, he was shocked and figured his
> Penn State
> career was over regardless of what he did. I'm sure he had heard the
> rumors about 1998,
> and was conflicted about whether Sandusky would even be charged, much less
> convicted.
>
> Remember, nothing much came of the 1998 investigation.
>
> So he told his boss, Joe Paterno, and carried on regardless of how he
> felt, because, I
> would guess, Joe Paterno told him that he would take care of it.
>
> I'm sure Paterno thought, "Oh Crap, Sandusky is at it again..." and passed
> the info on the
> his "boss" the AD.
>
> The deeper issue with this entire story is that back in 1998, when
> Sandusky was caught the
> first time, Paterno exercised his power as head coach and essentially
> fired him from the
> program. To apparently ease the situation, they allowed Sandusky to
> continue in some kind
> of emeritus position, and allowed him an office and a phone. He probably
> helped with
> recruiting some of the kids he'd been working on prior to the first
> incident and Penn
> State wanted to continue the apparently positive work of his foundation.
>
> (FWIW - Oklahoma did the same thing for Barry Switzer after they forced
> him out, so I
> wasn't surprised that they let Sandusky keep a campus presence.)
>
> And remember also that back in 1998, Pedophilia was not quite the hot
> button with police
> that it is today. Forming task forces in Attorney General's offices has
> been a relatively
> new thing and prior to the 90's, making those cases could sometimes be
> difficult because
> of needing credible witnesses, and a lack of laws making child pornography
> a separate
> violation. Cracking computer storage also wasn't something at the front of
> vice units of
> law enforcement. Besides, Sandusky engaged deviant sexual conduct with
> young boys, and
> didn't collect dirty pictures.
>
> Apparently the present State of Pennsylvania Attorney General, backed by
> the former AG who
> is now Governor, will take more action regarding Sandusky's alleged crime.
> You have to
> wonder if the disappearance of the County Attorney, who some speculate
> committed suicide,
> is tied to the reappearance of the charges against Sandusky, especially
> since they had
> originally decided not to prosecute Sandusky. It?s a shame the hard drive
> on the laptop
> was unreadable.
>
> At this point I don't think calling for shutting down Penn State's
> football program, or
> taking the "profits" from the program, or any of the other things some
> people are
> proposing will make a bit of difference in the final analysis. Or - IMHO -
> Wilbon was
> right last night.
>
> All head coaches will now have to take a closer look at their assistants,
> and the
> hangers-on around their program. The issues surrounding Miami, and OSU,
> also related not
> to the staff, but those who wanted to be close to the athletes for those
> schools and were
> willing to pay for access.
>
> It is obvious that Sandusky needed his foundation to be close to the
> football program
> because it gave him credibility, and Penn State wanted to be associated
> with the work of
> that foundation.
>
> There will be a lot more changes around Div I athletics because of this,
> many not for the
> better.
>
> rsl
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim
> Leonard
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:00 AM
> To: Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>
> For the record, it is very easy for me to say what I would have done. I
> was raised not to
> look the other way when children are abused. McQueary was raised with some
> other standard
> and he can live with that every time he looks in the mirror. I realize
> that I'm at
> outlier, but I have challenged authority many times in my life. That's
> part of the reason
> I am generally unpopular.
>
> I am not going after him so much as I am attacking Penn State for standing
> by him.
>
> Imagine that today the PSU running backs coach used racial slurs in
> reference to Nebraska
> players. What would happen? Penn State would immediately suspend or fire
> the guy because
> "people who make statements like that cannot represent us." HOWEVER, you
> look the other
> way when you see a boy being raped and then stay quite for 8+ years? Sure,
> stay on the
> payroll and continue to represent the school. What. A. Joke.
>
> Jim
>
> PS - I am still at a loss as to how McQueary's father didn't tip off
> police. That makes me
> think this cover up gets MUCH bigger in the coming months.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>
>
> In regards to the whistleblower part, I have absolutely no knowledge if
> that is the case
> or not -- I was just saying that it was an interesting possibility when
> someone else
> raised it. He may have made a deal with the prosecuting attorney.
>
> And in regards to him going to the police, apparently they were the ones
> who made Sandusky
> promise not to take any more showers with children in 1998 -- so again,
> look at this from
> his shoes. The cops know and apparently did nothing but have a talk with
> him three years
> earlier and no one in the district attorney's office did anything.
> McQueary told his boss,
> Paterno, and nothing happened. And this guy apparently has friends high
> enough in the
> university framework to have an office and full access after retirement.
>
> State College is a small place and as we've seen the last couple days, it
> appears a lot of
> the leaders and authority figures in town and on campus were aware of this
> and nothing had
> been done. You're a grad assistant and (as we're seeing now) will probably
> see as much
> blame/threats as a whistleblower than anything else.
>
> As others have said, he could have just left town -- but again, that could
> be viewed as a
> cowardly act that left this to happen to more children. And if, as
> reported, he was
> recognized by Sandusky in the locker room, the protection of an anonymous
> report would not
> be there either.
>
> Like I said, I'm not excusing this at all and he's had to live with this
> for a decade. But
> it's easy to say what we would have done in hindsight -- I would hope I
> would have done
> the right thing, but looking back at my first job out of college, had I
> seen a powerful
> figure in a small town doing something illegal and reported it to my boss
> and nothing was
> done, I'm not sure how far I'd push it either if it looked like the cops,
> lawyers,
> university officials and everyone else were in on the cover-up.
>
> In any case, I think the anger and media frenzy is directed in the wrong
> place with the
> talk about McQueary and the team canceling games (which thankfully saw a
> voice of reason
> in the media today from NU alum Wilbon who called it absolutely absurd) --
> the angry mob
> has gotten Paterno's head and put McQueary under death threats. Let's
> shine the spotlight
> at Spanier and Sandusky for a change.
>
> Stephen
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super
> Bowl XLIV Champions!
>
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> To:
> Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>
> Stephen,
>
> My gripe with McQueary isn't really about him getting a paycheck. It has
> to do with the
> University saying "you can represent us" so he may be a small fish but
> what the University
> stands for is a BIG FISH.
>
> Regardless, there is one flaw in your 'whistleblower' excuse. In the
> traditional sense a
> whistleblower (say someone working in a baby food factor) has to be an
> insider and give
> the inside information that makes or breaks the case. That is not true
> with a child rape
> case. The police would be obligated to investigate even an anonymous claim
> if it was
> credible. So McQueary could have made an anonymous phone call naming
> Sandusky and the
> specific shower location and that would have triggered a police inquiry.
> When the police
> showed up he could have played dumb and told them what he saw.
>
> I think I'm even more angry at his pathetic father who could have easily
> bailed his son
> out of that pickle by making an anonymous
> call.
>
> These two men (Jr. & Sr. McQueary) sold out good judgement. It's shameful.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Stephen Truog <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> To: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
> Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>
> Good point - I can understand that. Also a good point that mc query may
> have whistleblower
> protection.
>
> In any case, bigger fish to fry and I do mean dry when it comes to spaniel
> and Sandusky.
>
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>
>
> On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net> wrote:
>
> > Stephen-
> >
> > My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in
> your
> proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he
> could have left
> the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno
> that he thought it
> was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the
> PSU system,
> gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere.
> But instead, he
> chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much
> sympathy for him.
> >
> > -Michael
> > Sent from my mobile device...
> >
> > On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <
> sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't
> defend him with the
> voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes
> on the team the
> "death penalty" ... BUT ...
> >>
> >> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a
> crime - someone
> with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He
> reports it to
> an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
> >>
> >> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the
> people up the
> ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by
> someone at PSU and who
> is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can
> assume he will be
> fired, blacklisted or worse.
> >>
> >> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but
> he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had
> apparently
> decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great
> risk and usually
> comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought
> up sexual
> misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee
> trying to expose
> corruption in corporate America).
> >>
> >> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll
> never have to be
> faced with that decision for real.
> >>
> >> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be
> swarming right now
> in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on
> the lawns of
> Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and
> local police,
> judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be
> looking into the
> board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they
> fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were
> shocked).
> >>
> >> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing
> the whistle, nor
> the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the
> totem poll who
> was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least
> report it, which
> a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in
> power around him
> wanting to look the other way.
> >>
> >> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to
> focus the spotlight
> on in the search for justice.
> >>
> >> - Stephen
> >>
> >> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> >> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> >> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> >> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> >> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> >> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
> >> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
> >>
> >> NU Friends,
> >>
> >> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll
> at Penn State. By
> his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His
> only actions were
> to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he
> must have seen
> Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know
> how he can live
> with himself.
> >>
> >> A) He could have intervened in the shower
> room.
> >> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
> >> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could
> have too,
> what's wrong with that guy?)
> >> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people.
> >>
> >> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they
> allow him to
> remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over.
> >>
> >> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal
> obligations. It
> had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good
> character. Sadly, I
> think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired
> he's free to talk
> and he'll have A LOT more to say.
> >>
> >> Success with Honor - what a joke.
> >>
> >> Jim
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 15:39:54 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:39:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction
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   Er,  Rice will be lucky to hand it off to their running backs 10 times tomorrow if they have a brain.  I predict some sort of Indiana-like score with the Good Guys making a few more stops.  Lets stay with that 59 number we laid on Indiana and 37 for Rice.  Their win over Purdue coupled with the importance of this game will prevent a let-down. We've given away too many games lately but tomorrow won't be one of them. 
   I would love to see a neat and tidy 35-13 effort and believe our defense has improved, but Nebraska played into our hands.  It will be bombs away tomorrow....Could a call be made to Mr. Vanderlinden any time soon?  Hmmmm....


    GO CATS!!!      Eric



   



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I think you are giving Rice too much credit
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 11 16:09:18 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:09:18 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
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I am seriously afraid that you are correct, Jim....

And worse, Sandusky wasn't and isn't the only person of power and influence with this "problem."

It's not new, the Greeks had a thing for young boys before Alexander the Great, earlier cultures did also, which is one reason the Children of Israel resisted Helenization for so long.

Locking them up just removes the temptation. The 60's guy inside thinks there has to be some kind of treatment other than prison. But how do you protect the kids while they're getting treated.

rsl 

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 1:33 PM
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I don't want to see this story go any deeper than it has, but I will make one prediction. 
 
"The deeper issue with this entire story is that back in 1998, when Sandusky was caught the
first time, Paterno exercised his power as head coach and essentially fired him from the
program.'
 
It is highly doubtful that Sandusky's behavior started at age 55. By the time the dust settles, I think we'll learn that his trail of victims goes back to the 70s and that there were "rumors" around the football program for a long time before 1998. 
 
Jim


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From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: 'Jim Leonard' <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; 'Northwestern Wildcats' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:24 AM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Of course you realize that McQueary is getting death threats because he reported the
incident to Joe Pa, as you normally would do, and because of everyone else's inaction, he
is now perceived as the culprit in all this - the man who brought down the icon.

In reading almost all of the various stories about McQueary, he: 1. Is originally from
State College and was a HS football star there, 2. Was recruited by JoePa and apparently
considered him one step down from God 3. Played well enough at Penn State to eventually
start, 3. Was one of those guys who stay around their college program, trying to move up
the ladder until they reached the top job.

I'm sure that when he saw Jerry Sandusky engaging in sodomy against what it appeared to
be, and later turned out to be a young boy, he was shocked and figured his Penn State
career was over regardless of what he did. I'm sure he had heard the rumors about 1998,
and was conflicted about whether Sandusky would even be charged, much less convicted. 

Remember, nothing much came of the 1998 investigation.

So he told his boss, Joe Paterno, and carried on regardless of how he felt, because, I
would guess, Joe Paterno told him that he would take care of it. 

I'm sure Paterno thought, "Oh Crap, Sandusky is at it again..." and passed the info on the
his "boss" the AD.

The deeper issue with this entire story is that back in 1998, when Sandusky was caught the
first time, Paterno exercised his power as head coach and essentially fired him from the
program. To apparently ease the situation, they allowed Sandusky to continue in some kind
of emeritus position, and allowed him an office and a phone. He probably helped with
recruiting some of the kids he'd been working on prior to the first incident and Penn
State wanted to continue the apparently positive work of his foundation.

(FWIW - Oklahoma did the same thing for Barry Switzer after they forced him out, so I
wasn't surprised that they let Sandusky keep a campus presence.)

And remember also that back in 1998, Pedophilia was not quite the hot button with police
that it is today. Forming task forces in Attorney General's offices has been a relatively
new thing and prior to the 90's, making those cases could sometimes be difficult because
of needing credible witnesses, and a lack of laws making child pornography a separate
violation. Cracking computer storage also wasn't something at the front of vice units of
law enforcement. Besides, Sandusky engaged deviant sexual conduct with young boys, and
didn't collect dirty pictures.

Apparently the present State of Pennsylvania Attorney General, backed by the former AG who
is now Governor, will take more action regarding Sandusky's alleged crime. You have to
wonder if the disappearance of the County Attorney, who some speculate committed suicide,
is tied to the reappearance of the charges against Sandusky, especially since they had
originally decided not to prosecute Sandusky. It?s a shame the hard drive on the laptop
was unreadable.

At this point I don't think calling for shutting down Penn State's football program, or
taking the "profits" from the program, or any of the other things some people are
proposing will make a bit of difference in the final analysis. Or - IMHO - Wilbon was
right last night.

All head coaches will now have to take a closer look at their assistants, and the
hangers-on around their program. The issues surrounding Miami, and OSU, also related not
to the staff, but those who wanted to be close to the athletes for those schools and were
willing to pay for access. 

It is obvious that Sandusky needed his foundation to be close to the football program
because it gave him credibility, and Penn State wanted to be associated with the work of
that foundation. 

There will be a lot more changes around Div I athletics because of this, many not for the
better.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Leonard
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 10:00 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

For the record, it is very easy for me to say what I would have done. I was raised not to
look the other way when children are abused. McQueary was raised with some other standard
and he can live with that every time he looks in the mirror. I realize that I'm at
outlier, but I have challenged authority many times in my life. That's part of the reason
I am generally unpopular.
 
I am not going after him so much as I am attacking Penn State for standing by him. 
 
Imagine that today the PSU running backs coach used racial slurs in reference to Nebraska
players. What would happen? Penn State would immediately suspend or fire the guy because
"people who make statements like that cannot represent us." HOWEVER, you look the other
way when you see a boy being raped and then stay quite for 8+ years? Sure, stay on the
payroll and continue to represent the school. What. A. Joke. 
 
Jim
 
PS - I am still at a loss as to how McQueary's father didn't tip off police. That makes me
think this cover up gets MUCH bigger in the coming months. 
 


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From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff


In regards to the whistleblower part, I have absolutely no knowledge if that is the case
or not -- I was just saying that it was an interesting possibility when someone else
raised it. He may have made a deal with the prosecuting attorney.

And in regards to him going to the police, apparently they were the ones who made Sandusky
promise not to take any more showers with children in 1998 -- so again, look at this from
his shoes. The cops know and apparently did nothing but have a talk with him three years
earlier and no one in the district attorney's office did anything. McQueary told his boss,
Paterno, and nothing happened. And this guy apparently has friends high enough in the
university framework to have an office and full access after retirement.

State College is a small place and as we've seen the last couple days, it appears a lot of
the leaders and authority figures in town and on campus were aware of this and nothing had
been done. You're a grad assistant and (as we're seeing now) will probably see as much
blame/threats as a whistleblower than anything else.

As others have said, he could have just left town -- but again, that could be viewed as a
cowardly act that left this to happen to more children. And if, as reported, he was
recognized by Sandusky in the locker room, the protection of an anonymous report would not
be there either.

Like I said, I'm not excusing this at all and he's had to live with this for a decade. But
it's easy to say what we would have done in hindsight -- I would hope I would have done
the right thing, but looking back at my first job out of college, had I seen a powerful
figure in a small town doing something illegal and reported it to my boss and nothing was
done, I'm not sure how far I'd push it either if it looked like the cops, lawyers,
university officials and everyone else were in on the cover-up.

In any case, I think the anger and media frenzy is directed in the wrong place with the
talk about McQueary and the team canceling games (which thankfully saw a voice of reason
in the media today from NU alum Wilbon who called it absolutely absurd) -- the angry mob
has gotten Paterno's head and put McQueary under death threats. Let's shine the spotlight
at Spanier and Sandusky for a change.

Stephen

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From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
To: 
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Stephen,

My gripe with McQueary isn't really about him getting a paycheck. It has to do with the
University saying "you can represent us" so he may be a small fish but what the University
stands for is a BIG FISH. 

Regardless, there is one flaw in your 'whistleblower' excuse. In the traditional sense a
whistleblower (say someone working in a baby food factor) has to be an insider and give
the inside information that makes or breaks the case. That is not true with a child rape
case. The police would be obligated to investigate even an anonymous claim if it was
credible. So McQueary could have made an anonymous phone call naming Sandusky and the
specific shower location and that would have triggered a police inquiry. When the police
showed up he could have played dumb and told them what he saw. 

I think I'm even more angry at his pathetic father who could have easily bailed his son
out of that pickle by making an anonymous
call. 

These two men (Jr. & Sr. McQueary) sold out good judgement. It's shameful. 

Jim




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From: Stephen Truog <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:28 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff

Good point - I can understand that. Also a good point that mc query may have whistleblower
protection. 

In any case, bigger fish to fry and I do mean dry when it comes to spaniel and Sandusky.

STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com


On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net> wrote:

> Stephen-
> 
> My only problem with that is that he stuck around. If you are correct in your
proposition that McQueary was simply too intimidated to say anything, he could have left
the program any time in the last nine years. He could have told Paterno that he thought it
was the right thing for his career to get some experience outside of the PSU system,
gotten a letter of recommendation, and with that, gotten a job anywhere. But instead, he
chose to stay among those who hid what he saw. Sorry, I don't have much sympathy for him.
> 
> -Michael
> Sent from my mobile device...
> 
> On Nov 10, 2011, at 5:40 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> McQueary is not innocent in all this like the players, so I won't defend him with the
voracity I used against the absurd suggestion to give the student athletes on the team the
"death penalty" ... BUT ...
>> 
>> He's a grad assistant and sees a living legend on campus committing a crime - someone
with powerful friends in high places and he is recognized as a witness. He reports it to
an even bigger living legend on campus and never hears anything back.
>> 
>> What is he to assume? Either JoePa didn't take it up the ladder or the people up the
ladder rejected it -- in either case, the guy is being protected by someone at PSU and who
is he? Just some graduate assistant. If he presses the issue, he can assume he will be
fired, blacklisted or worse.
>> 
>> It's something he'll have to live with and it's inexcusible, but
he had to decide whether he wanted to accept what the powers that be had apparently
decided or push the issue and become a whistleblower, which takes great risk and usually
comes with attacks and questions of its own (just ask anyone who's brought up sexual
misconduct charges against a powerful political figure, or an employee trying to expose
corruption in corporate America).
>> 
>> It's easy to say what we would do in his shoes - but hopefully we'll never have to be
faced with that decision for real.
>> 
>> In any case, he's not the person the media mob of madness should be swarming right now
in their search for unquenchable headlines and justice. They need to be on the lawns of
Spanier, Sandusky and the AD ... dig into the files of the university and local police,
judges and district attorneys who knew of this ... heck, they should be looking into the
board of trustees themselves and what type of environment they
fostered and the type of people they hired (and why they said they were shocked).
>> 
>> McQueary is not the iconic coach who had nothing to fear from blowing the whistle, nor
the people in power who knew more and did less -- he's the low man on the totem poll who
was too weak to follow up on a report of a crime (though he did at least report it, which
a lot of witnesses do not even do) because he saw all of the people in power around him
wanting to look the other way.
>> 
>> Not a profile in courage to be sure, but also not someone I want to focus the spotlight
on in the search for justice.
>> 
>> - Stephen
>> 
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog at yahoo.com
>> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>> Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
>> To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:46 PM
>> Subject: [NU Sports] McQueary remains on staff
>> 
>> NU Friends,
>> 
>> I am at a loss to understand how Mike McQueary remains on the payroll at Penn State. By
his own sworn grand jury testimony he saw a young boy being abused. His only actions were
to call his father and later tell Joe Paterno. For years after that he must have seen
Sandusky on campus and bowl trips with more young children. I don't know how he can live
with himself. 
>> 
>> A) He could have intervened in the shower
room.
>> B) He could have pulled the fire alarm and then run to a phone.
>> C) He could have made an anonymous call to the police (his father could have too,
what's wrong with that guy?)
>> D) He could have made follow-up inquiries to several different people. 
>> 
>> Since 1993 Penn State has been my second favorite Big Ten team. If they allow him to
remain on the payroll and represent the school on Saturday, that is over. 
>> 
>> To be clear, my issue with him has NOTHING to do with the law or legal obligations. It
had everything to do with being a person of clear conscience and good character. Sadly, I
think the reason that he has been kept on staff is that if he is fired he's free to talk
and he'll have A LOT more to say. 
>> 
>> Success with Honor - what a joke. 
>> 
>> Jim
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 16:13:01 2011
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:13:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction
Message-ID: <edde.11481f58.3beef7ed@aol.com>

There is a general feeling that all. and I repeat, all, of the Penn State  
coaches had knowledge of Sandusky's hideous behavior and consequently will  
probably have to seek a new line of work.
Don Williams
 
 
In a message dated 11/11/2011 3:40:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
wildelk2 at aol.com writes:

....Could a call be made to Mr. Vanderlinden any time soon?   Hmmmm....



From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 11 16:12:28 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:12:28 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction
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Not sure Fitz would want one of his former coaches on his staff as an assistant AND I'd
sure like to know why he was fired at Maryland when that team was doing so well coming
back from disaster.

One word was that he "didn't get along" with the new female AD, but the other was that
players never went to classes.

rsl

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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
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from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
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=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========

Could a call be made to Mr. Vanderlinden any time soon?  Hmmmm....


    GO CATS!!!      Eric


From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Nov 11 16:13:35 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:13:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction
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>    Er,  Rice will be lucky to hand it off to their running backs 10 times tomorrow if they have a brain.  I predict some sort of Indiana-like score with the Good Guys making a few more stops.  Lets stay with that 59 number we laid on Indiana and 37 for Rice.  Their win over Purdue coupled with the importance of this game will prevent a let-down. We've given away too many games lately but tomorrow won't be one of them. 

I think the over/under on the game is around 66 points, with the Cats
about 16 1/2 point favorites.  

>    I would love to see a neat and tidy 35-13 effort and believe our defense has improved, but Nebraska played into our hands.  It will be bombs away tomorrow....Could a call be made to Mr. Vanderlinden any time soon?  Hmmmm....

Are you sure he won't be tainted by what happened at Penn State?  Barry
Switzer has already said that in his opinion the other coaches had to 
have known what was going on.
--
Mike Nolan


From wildelk2 at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 16:24:12 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:24:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction
In-Reply-To: <001a01cca0bf$00a91360$01fb3a20$@com>
References: <37f4d.28eb9c6a.3beeea3a@aol.com>
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Roy,


   Vandy and Deb just didn't get along; I remember Vandy was a marked man the day she took her job.  As far as skeletons in Ron's closest, this is a very legitimate criticism.  Barry Sweitzer may be right that lots of people knew, but I think Barry is getting his last laugh and is kicking JoePa squarely is the nuts for off-the-cuff comments made by Paterno in the Nineties.  And to think, Switzer and Sherrill's shenanigans look like nothing compared to what's going on in State College.


BTW: happy Veteran's Day, fellow swabbie! (and Don W. too. Semper Fi my purple friend!)


GO CATS!!   Eric 



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To: 'Eric Kunkel' <wildelk2 at aol.com>; MHRJGScott <MHRJGScott at aol.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 12:14 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction


Not sure Fitz would want one of his former coaches on his staff as an assistant 
AND I'd
sure like to know why he was fired at Maryland when that team was doing so well 
coming
back from disaster.

One word was that he "didn't get along" with the new female AD, but the other 
was that
players never went to classes.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

Could a call be made to Mr. Vanderlinden any time soon?  Hmmmm....


    GO CATS!!!      Eric


 

From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 17:14:21 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:14:21 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction
Message-ID: <1724518255-1321053254-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1181262689-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Let's not get greedy.
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To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
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Sent: Nov 11, 2011 4:14 PM

I think you are giving Rice too much credit
CATS!!! 35
Rice 0
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From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Nov 11 18:00:55 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:00:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction
In-Reply-To: <8CE6ED7C5C0306E-128C-1C202@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111112000055.7721564F66@romaine.tssi.com>

> And to think, Switzer and Sherrill's shenanigans look like nothing compared to what's going on in State College.

That kind of depends on what rumors you had heard about the goings
on at Oklahoma.  Some of them were pretty nasty, too.
--
Mike Nolan


From airsnod at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 18:14:47 2011
From: airsnod at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?YWlyc25vZEBhb2wuY29t?=)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 18:14:47 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] =?utf-8?q?Rice_Prediction?=
Message-ID: <201111120014.pAC0EbuD018887@imr-db01.mx.aol.com>

Happy Vets day to all my fellow shipmates!

Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

----- Reply message -----
From: "Eric Kunkel" <wildelk2 at aol.com>
Date: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 4:24 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction
To: <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>, <nwu-sports at tssi.com>

Roy,


   Vandy and Deb just didn't get along; I remember Vandy was a marked man the day she took her job.  As far as skeletons in Ron's closest, this is a very legitimate criticism.  Barry Sweitzer may be right that lots of people knew, but I think Barry is getting his last laugh and is kicking JoePa squarely is the nuts for off-the-cuff comments made by Paterno in the Nineties.  And to think, Switzer and Sherrill's shenanigans look like nothing compared to what's going on in State College.


BTW: happy Veteran's Day, fellow swabbie! (and Don W. too. Semper Fi my purple friend!)


GO CATS!!   Eric 



-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: 'Eric Kunkel' <wildelk2 at aol.com>; MHRJGScott <MHRJGScott at aol.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 12:14 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction


Not sure Fitz would want one of his former coaches on his staff as an assistant 
AND I'd
sure like to know why he was fired at Maryland when that team was doing so well 
coming
back from disaster.

One word was that he "didn't get along" with the new female AD, but the other 
was that
players never went to classes.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

Could a call be made to Mr. Vanderlinden any time soon?  Hmmmm....


    GO CATS!!!      Eric


 
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Fri Nov 11 18:18:58 2011
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:18:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction
Message-ID: <f8bc.2979ca83.3bef1572@aol.com>

And the same to you, Eric, and Coach, and all the vets in the NU  family.
Don Williams C55
 
 
In a message dated 11/11/2011 4:24:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
wildelk2 at aol.com writes:

BTW:  happy Veteran's Day, fellow swabbie! (and Don W. too. Semper Fi my 
purple  friend!)



From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 11 23:05:57 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:05:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings 'n' Polls
Message-ID: <1321074357.74212.YahooMailNeo@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Three more weeks and there's still a lot left to be decided!

First, the honor roll ...


UNANIMOUS PICKS

* OHIO STATE over Indiana
* MICHIGAN STATE over Minnesota
* OKLAHOMA over Texas A&M

UPSET SPECIALS

* IOWA over Michigan - Picked by C.Rossi, A.McInturff, B.Waldele, R.Stahl and K.Sevilla
* UCLA over Arizona State - Picked by Ace McInturff only!

And now, to the big board ...


? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -UPSETS-

TW??NAME ? ? ? ? ? ? ?WK 10 ?RECORD ? PCT. ? ?W10 OVRL ?WP
----------------------------------------------------------
?1) J. Morris? ? ? ? ? 8-2? ? 83-22? ?.790? ? ?0? ??4? ? 9
?2) J. Bendat? ? ? ? ? ---? ? 85-25? ?.773? ? ?0? ? 5?? ?9

?3) J. Leonard?????????7-3? ? 76-24? ?.760? ? ?0????3? ? 8

?4) C. Herron? ? ? ? ? 7-3? ? 90-30? ?.750? ? ?0????1? ?10

?5) T. McAdams? ? ? ? ?8-2? ? 82-28? ?.745? ? ?0????1? ? 9

?6) J. Hodges? ? ? ? ? 8-2? ? 89-31? ?.742? ? ?0? ? 3? ?10

?7) I. Embrekts? ? ? ? 8-2? ? 86-34? ?.717? ? ?0????2? ?10?7) A. Wolfson? ? ? ? ?7-3? ? 86-34? ?.717? ? ?0????1? ?10

?7) C. Zahn????? ? ? ? 7-3? ? 86-34? ?.717? ? ?0????2? ?10

10) E. Steffe? ? ? ? ? 7-3? ? 84-36? ?.700? ???0????1? ?10
10) S. Truog? ? ? ? ? ?7-3? ? 84-36? ?.700? ???0????1? ?10
10) B. Wilson? ? ? ? ? 7-3? ? 84-36? ?.700? ? ?0? ? 3? ?10
10) T. Kettler? ? ? ? ?---? ? 77-33? ?.700? ? ?0? ? 4? ? 9

14) B. Waldele??? ? ? ?9-1? ? 83-37? ?.692? ? ?1? ? 3? ?10

15) K.?Sevilla? ? ? ? ?7-3?? ?82-38? ?.683? ? ?1? ? 6? ?10
16) R. Stahl? ? ? ? ? ?7-3? ? 81-39? ?.675? ? ?1? ? 4? ?1017) M. Ament? ? ? ? ? ?---? ??67-33? ?.670? ? ?0????1? ? 8
18) C. Rossi ? ? ? ? ? 7-3 ? ?70-35 ? .667 ? ? 1 ? ?3 ? ?9
18) P. Wolfe? ? ? ? ? ?6-4? ? 70-35? ?.667? ? ?0? ??6??? 9

20) A. McInturff???????7-3? ? 79-41? ?.658? ? ?2? ?10? ?10

?
Not eligible (must be in 2/3 of the weeks)
------------------------------------------
xx) M. Zilka? ? ? ? ? ?8-2? ? 49-21? ?.700? ???0????0? ? 6xx) S. Wolfson?????????---????49-21???.700?????0????4????5
xx) L. Martinaitis?????---????13- 2???.xxx?????0????1????1

xx) A. Farwig??????????---????10- 5???.xxx?????0????0????1

And finally, the latest poll ...?

SjTOP 25 COLLEGE RANKINGS

LWTWTEAM
0201LSU (9-0) - The game was sloppy, but LSU won and now gets to play at home for the title
0302BOISE STATE (8-0) -?The Cartel is working against them - what are they so scared of???
0403STANFORD (9-0) - Not impressed with Treez defense and the mighty Ducks await
0504OKLAHOMA STATE (9-0) - The Little XII leaders, like the rest of the league, are overrated
0105ALABAMA (8-1) - Shockingly, Saban looked unprepared for the big game with LSU
0706OREGON (8-1) - Ducks need to prove they still are the clear class of a defense-less league0807OKLAHOMA (8-1) - I have no idea what dirt they have on the B(C)S computers
0908PENN STATE (8-1) - Distractions don't even begin to describe the team's week1009ARKANSAS (8-1) - Really, who have the Piggies beaten? Will get smacked by LSU1210CLEMSON (8-1) - Looks like they're on a collision course for a Hokie rematch ...1311VIRGINIA TECH (8-1) - ... in front of dozens of fans at the ACC title game
1712MICHIGAN STATE (7-2) - It's Sparty's turn to take the inside track to Indy ...
1813WISCONSIN (7-2) - Badgers need help from Huskers or Buckeyes to get title shot
0614NEBRASKA (7-2) - Shockingly bullied by the real NU, now must regroup for big road trip
1415MICHIGAN (7-2) - Big games left for Wolverines at home, but need some help
1116SOUTH CAROLINA (7-2) - Atlanta's starting to slip away for this rag-tag group
1617KANSAS STATE (7-2) - Gutsy effort showed some heart at least after the OU nightmare
1918GEORGIA (7-2) - Can run table and host the SEC title game, but no chance vs. LSU1519HOUSTON (10-0) - ?They're just not that good
NR20CINCINNATI (7-1) - Getting desperate when looking at the Big Least for teams
NR21GEORGIA TECH (7-2) - Loss to Hokies will likely drop them out
NR22TEXAS (6-2) - Good news for Horns is that no more teams from Oklahoma on schedule
NR23SOUTHERN CAL (7-2) - Trojans only roadblock to UCLA in Pac 12 title game
NR24TCU (7-2) - If the press can rank USM so Houston looks good, I can do this for Boise!
NR25AUBURN (6-3) - Tigers won't repeat, but still will play key role with UGa and Bama on deck

Picks due by kickoff Saturday!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 12 08:13:56 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:13:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction
In-Reply-To: <8CE6ED7C5C0306E-128C-1C202@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com>
References: <37f4d.28eb9c6a.3beeea3a@aol.com>
 <8CE6ED195A22F70-650-1A749@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com>
 <001a01cca0bf$00a91360$01fb3a20$@com>
 <8CE6ED7C5C0306E-128C-1C202@webmail-m007.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001cca145$513f9ac0$f3bed040$@com>

To be fair, Vanderlinden was a very outspoken coach during his time at Maryland. 

 

I used to hear him on the radio taking fan calls and he could be pretty dismissive of fans
who questioned his coaching, but it was refreshing to hear a coach not put up with all the
typical Fan BS that drives coaches nuts.

 

The new AD and he did not get along, many didn't understand since Vandy at Maryland was on
the verge of doing what Barnett had done at NU, he was fired after his 3rd year, and the
team was on the verge of starting to win.

 

The only reason I can reasonable put forward for his removal came out after Fridge took
over, he started getting non-attendance reports on his players and since he was on a
weight loss program, ordered anyone who turned up on the "cut list" to meet him at Byrd at
6 AM to run the bleachers or they would lose their scholarships. 

 

The first day, most of the team had to show up.

 

Fridge went on to have a pretty good season with Vandy's recruits, but never recruited to
the level of player Vandy achieved. 

 

Vandy popped up in State College, I'd guess because he was the complete coaching package
and he's been in the pressbox for PSU ever since.

 

He is relatively untainted by the Penn State scandal and you wonder if he's ready to ride
off into the sunset wondering what might have been.

 

rsl

 

 

 

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  Senior League Softball World Series

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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968

Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)

================================================

Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not

those of any organizations of which I am a member.

------------------------------------------------

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away

from those who are willing to work and give it to 

those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson

=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 

I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 

I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =

If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 

tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"

                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"

==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

 

 

From: Eric Kunkel [mailto:wildelk2 at aol.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 5:24 PM
To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction

 

Roy, 

 

   Vandy and Deb just didn't get along; I remember Vandy was a marked man the day she took
her job.  As far as skeletons in Ron's closest, this is a very legitimate criticism.
Barry Sweitzer may be right that lots of people knew, but I think Barry is getting his
last laugh and is kicking JoePa squarely is the nuts for off-the-cuff comments made by
Paterno in the Nineties.  And to think, Switzer and Sherrill's shenanigans look like
nothing compared to what's going on in State College.

 

BTW: happy Veteran's Day, fellow swabbie! (and Don W. too. Semper Fi my purple friend!)

 

GO CATS!!   Eric 



-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: 'Eric Kunkel' <wildelk2 at aol.com>; MHRJGScott <MHRJGScott at aol.com>; nwu-sports
<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Fri, Nov 11, 2011 12:14 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Rice Prediction

Not sure Fitz would want one of his former coaches on his staff as an assistant 
AND I'd
sure like to know why he was fired at Maryland when that team was doing so well 
coming
back from disaster.
 
One word was that he "didn't get along" with the new female AD, but the other 
was that
players never went to classes.
 
rsl
 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
 
Could a call be made to Mr. Vanderlinden any time soon?  Hmmmm....
 
 
    GO CATS!!!      Eric
 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 12 08:14:45 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:14:45 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Mike Peters on Penn State
Message-ID: <000501cca145$6ec0b480$4c421d80$@com>

Follow the link:

http://www.grimmy.com/editorials

rsl

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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 12 08:27:14 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:27:14 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] A pretty good wrapup of the entire Penn State mess...
Message-ID: <000601cca147$2d3cefe0$87b6cfa0$@com>

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/who_knew_what_about_jerry_sand.html


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 11:26:11 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:26:11 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa to Ebert
Message-ID: <1436937671-1321118763-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-53343277-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Was that longest passing TD in NU history--90 yards?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 12 11:26:06 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:26:06 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa - Ebert - 7
Message-ID: <001001cca160$2996e8f0$7cc4bad0$@com>

And it was the 2nd time that play was open, but no holding by the D this time.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 11:30:35 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:30:35 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa to Ebert
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Nope.  I was wrong.  Mitch Anderson to Jim Lash vs. MSU in 1972.  Lash was a stud and played for the Vikings.
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Subject: Persa to Ebert

Was that longest passing TD in NU history--90 yards?
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 11:36:59 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:36:59 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa to Ebert
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Anderson was academic all american
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Nope.  I was wrong.  Mitch Anderson to Jim Lash vs. MSU in 1972.  Lash was a stud and played for the Vikings.
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Was that longest passing TD in NU history--90 yards?
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 11:54:37 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:54:37 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa to Ebert
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Ebert is incredible.  Great catch on 44 on pass from Persa out of end zone.
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Anderson was academic all american
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Nope.  I was wrong.  Mitch Anderson to Jim Lash vs. MSU in 1972.  Lash was a stud and played for the Vikings.
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Was that longest passing TD in NU history--90 yards?
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 12 12:09:03 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:09:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Running Lanes
Message-ID: <001101cca166$299c5870$7cd50950$@com>

Seems like Rice is taking away the wide running lanes, or they're spying Colter.

It seems like the book on Rice is to run wide, but they've managed to shut that down. Got
to be some room inside, somewhere.

rsl

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 12 12:13:07 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:13:07 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa 2 Ebert = 7 more
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Same slant route, that's been open twice for TDs and once with a penalty.

Think we'll see that one again?

rsl

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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
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from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 12:16:41 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:16:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] A surreal Saturday ...
Message-ID: <1321121801.48854.YahooMailNeo@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

A weird feeling seems to be over most of the Big Ten stadiums today, especially of course in State College.

The last time I remember having this little excitement for a Big Ten football Saturday was after Sept. 11 -- which oddly enough was spent at Penn State. My brother was a student there at the time and my good friend from Madison and I flew out on half-empty planes to meet up in Pittsburgh and drive up to the UW-PSU game.

He mentioned at the time (and reminded me again this week) how much that weekend filled the need at the time. PSU was a "Pleasantville" atmosphere that took us back to a different era and the people there showed their usual hospitality.

I only can hope that the people of State College and the players -- who have had their world turned upside down, faith shattered and souls challenged this week -- find the same sort of healing through the game. It will never be enough for the true victims, but it can help the secondary victims from the fallout of the scandal. Canceling the games hurts everyone, where hopefully playing the games helps some get back to a brief version of normality. I'm cheering for the Penn State players today.

As for our game, let's hope everyone wakes up to the level of Jeremy Ebert (and our punt coverage team?!?!) soon -- we seem to be dragging a bit out there.

Go Cats!
- SjT
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 12:20:21 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:20:21 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa 2 Ebert = 7 more
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Coach Hank is finally dialing up the blitz, and the result--big turnover.
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Subject: [NU Sports] Persa 2 Ebert = 7 more

Same slant route, that's been open twice for TDs and once with a penalty.

Think we'll see that one again?

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 12 12:22:21 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:22:21 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa + Fields = 7 More
Message-ID: <001301cca168$054d6250$0fe826f0$@com>

And that one was all Fields after the catch!

Wonder what Rice does in the middle after the break.... ?

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 12:26:55 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:26:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...
Message-ID: <1321122415.35718.YahooMailNeo@web121716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Nice defensive blitz, great 2-minute drive and nice finish to the half to match the Ebert effort throughout. And a friendly DOINK! at the end.

21-0 - keep it up, Cats!

- SjT

PS - We need these next two games, because it appears that Sparty is smelling that strange mix of corn and auto fumes known as Indianapolis and taking care of business at Iowa, meaning our game would be their clincher.
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 12 12:33:41 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:33:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...
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> Nice defensive blitz, great 2-minute drive and nice finish to the half to 
> maatch the Ebert effort throughout. And a friendly DOINK! at the end.

Yeah, he needed another bowl of Wheaties on that one.

But he's got a leg!
 
> PS - We need these next two games, because it appears that Sparty is smelling
> that strange mix of corn and auto fumes known as Indianapolis and taking
> care of business at Iowa, meaning our game would be their clincher.

But that would make beating them SOOO much sweeter!

Penn State is playing kind of flat, the Huskers just scored to make it 10-0 
at the half.  
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 12:52:45 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:52:45 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa + Fields = 7 More
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Best game I have ever seen Fields play.  Remember meeting his family on line to get into Outback Bowl.  Nice people--happy for him and for them.
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Subject: [NU Sports] Persa + Fields = 7 More

And that one was all Fields after the catch!

Wonder what Rice does in the middle after the break.... ?

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 12:56:10 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:56:10 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...
Message-ID: <1594603293-1321124162-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-975572150-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Our defense finally seems to have cohesion and players know their roles and assignments.  Better tackling.  Looks like a great coaching overhaul.  They are now expecting to make stops, not waiting for roof to cave in.  Soon they may even have a swagger.:-)
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Sent: Nov 12, 2011 1:33 PM

> Nice defensive blitz, great 2-minute drive and nice finish to the half to 
> maatch the Ebert effort throughout. And a friendly DOINK! at the end.

Yeah, he needed another bowl of Wheaties on that one.

But he's got a leg!
 
> PS - We need these next two games, because it appears that Sparty is smelling
> that strange mix of corn and auto fumes known as Indianapolis and taking
> care of business at Iowa, meaning our game would be their clincher.

But that would make beating them SOOO much sweeter!

Penn State is playing kind of flat, the Huskers just scored to make it 10-0 
at the half.  
--
Mike Nolan

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 12:59:02 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:59:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The Jeremy Ebert show ...
Message-ID: <1321124342.84391.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Wow.

Just ...

Wow.

The ESPN folks can steal my "two thumbs up" line all they want for that one.

Wow.

Go Cats!
-SjT
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 12:59:34 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:59:34 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...
Message-ID: <961003663-1321124366-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1629174646-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Ebert is ridiculous!  What a catch!  If he is not All-BT, I give up.
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Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...
Sent: Nov 12, 2011 1:33 PM

> Nice defensive blitz, great 2-minute drive and nice finish to the half to 
> maatch the Ebert effort throughout. And a friendly DOINK! at the end.

Yeah, he needed another bowl of Wheaties on that one.

But he's got a leg!
 
> PS - We need these next two games, because it appears that Sparty is smelling
> that strange mix of corn and auto fumes known as Indianapolis and taking
> care of business at Iowa, meaning our game would be their clincher.

But that would make beating them SOOO much sweeter!

Penn State is playing kind of flat, the Huskers just scored to make it 10-0 
at the half.  
--
Mike Nolan

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 12 12:58:44 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:58:44 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Ebert - look what I found....
Message-ID: <001401cca16d$1abb6e20$50324a60$@com>

Now that was a catch



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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 13:00:19 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:00:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...
In-Reply-To: <1594603293-1321124162-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-975572150-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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Message-ID: <1321124419.13122.YahooMailNeo@web121715.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The tackling these past two games has looked much MUCH MUCH better. They still allow the catches and are soft on coverage, but at least we don't have all those yards after the catch.

Maybe Fitz got in there personally to demonstrate on a few of the sloppy tackles? :)

Go Cats!
-SjT
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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________________________________
From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; sjtruog at yahoo.com
Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...

Our defense finally seems to have cohesion and players know their roles and assignments.? Better tackling.? Looks like a great coaching overhaul.? They are now expecting to make stops, not waiting for roof to cave in.? Soon they may even have a swagger.:-)
------Original Message------
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To: sjtruog at yahoo.com
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...
Sent: Nov 12, 2011 1:33 PM

> Nice defensive blitz, great 2-minute drive and nice finish to the half to 
> maatch the Ebert effort throughout. And a friendly DOINK! at the end.

Yeah, he needed another bowl of Wheaties on that one.

But he's got a leg!

> PS - We need these next two games, because it appears that Sparty is smelling
> that strange mix of corn and auto fumes known as Indianapolis and taking
> care of business at Iowa, meaning our game would be their clincher.

But that would make beating them SOOO much sweeter!

Penn State is playing kind of flat, the Huskers just scored to make it 10-0 
at the half.? 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 13:28:27 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:28:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The second half ...
Message-ID: <1321126107.55229.YahooMailNeo@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... appears to have switched from the Jeremy Ebert Show to the Kain Colter Show.

Who was it that said 35-0 yesterday? Good call. Hopefully the D keeps the shutout - that would be a nice statement for them after this rough year.

Go Cats!
-SjT
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 13:40:45 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:40:45 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] The second half ...
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Love seeing Siemian play-and pass.  Glenn Mason likes him.
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Subject: [NU Sports] The second half ...

... appears to have switched from the Jeremy Ebert Show to the Kain Colter Show.

Who was it that said 35-0 yesterday? Good call. Hopefully the D keeps the shutout - that would be a nice statement for them after this rough year.

Go Cats!
-SjT
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 13:57:48 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:57:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] So much for the shut out ...
Message-ID: <1321127868.59776.YahooMailNeo@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Oh well, a solid game all around and some good experience for a lot of our backups.

Back to 5-5 after that painful stretch and two more left at home - let's go get bowl eligible next week against a dangerous Minnesota team.

Elsewhere in the league, things are starting to get mildly interesting in Iowa City and State College, though I still think Sparty and UNL are in control as long as they don't panic or make mistakes. And the finish in West Lafayette could really be the one that winds up being important to NU's bowl hopes.

Go Cats!
-SjT
?
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 12 14:02:39 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:02:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] I'll take it....
Message-ID: <001501cca176$08b0f750$1a12e5f0$@com>

Even with the backup's fumble that really led to the Rice TD.

And Fitz had to shake hands with all those Houston kids he used to recruit when he was
responsible for that area.

AND, the comment that Rice is trying to pattern their football team after ours is telling.

When you talk about serious turn around: Barnett to Walker to Fitz without giving up your
principals has been the kind of story that should become a book some day. Which one of you
guys out there is going to write it? Or do we leave that up to Skip M. ?

rsl 

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 14:14:20 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:14:20 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] So much for the shut out ...
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Miracle TD for OSU.  And then they get Extra Point blocked.  Ugh!  'Cats really need Buckeye win.

Meanwhile, PSU coming back on Huskers.  
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Subject: [NU Sports] So much for the shut out ...

Oh well, a solid game all around and some good experience for a lot of our backups.

Back to 5-5 after that painful stretch and two more left at home - let's go get bowl eligible next week against a dangerous Minnesota team.

Elsewhere in the league, things are starting to get mildly interesting in Iowa City and State College, though I still think Sparty and UNL are in control as long as they don't panic or make mistakes. And the finish in West Lafayette could really be the one that winds up being important to NU's bowl hopes.

Go Cats!
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 14:15:54 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:15:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] What is it with Purdue and blocked kicks this year ...
Message-ID: <1321128954.82078.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... overtime in West Lafayette and looks like PSU's trying to make a serious rally as well.

I'm not cheering for the people who used to be Penn State, but I am unabashedly cheering right now for the students caught up in this mess who ARE Penn State.

Go Cats!
- Stephen

Doesn't look like Iowa's rally will cut it, though.
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 14:20:51 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:20:51 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] What is it with Purdue and blocked kicks this year
	...
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More angst for PSU.  Stopped inches short on 4th Down.
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Subject: [NU Sports] What is it with Purdue and blocked kicks this year ...

... overtime in West Lafayette and looks like PSU's trying to make a serious rally as well.

I'm not cheering for the people who used to be Penn State, but I am unabashedly cheering right now for the students caught up in this mess who ARE Penn State.

Go Cats!
- Stephen

Doesn't look like Iowa's rally will cut it, though.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 14:50:46 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:50:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...
Message-ID: <1321131046.81925.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Three things we now know (and no, it's not a Rick Perry joke) ...

* The Smug Smirk is back in control of his destiny to Indianapolis and a likely rematch with Sparty (blech)

* Purdue's win and the lack of a strong second B(C)S candidate could make our bowl push extra tough
(I suppose the winner of next week's UNL/Michigan game if they win out would be our best bet for an at-large berth with a big name and 10 wins but not coming off a title game loss)

* Nebraska fans will be cheering for Northwestern and wearing purple and white in a couple weeks.

All we can do is take care of our own business -- beat Minny and we have a shot, beat MSU as well and we're in.

Go Cats!
-SjT
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 14:51:26 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:51:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The second half ...
Message-ID: <8f949.19b4c358.3bf0364e@aol.com>

That would be me except for some trickeration and 3 turnovers and Fitz not  
trying to run it up I might have been correct...but I'll take this 
blowout...GO  CATS!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
appears to have switched from the Jeremy Ebert Show to the Kain Colter  
Show.

Who was it that said 35-0 yesterday? Good call. Hopefully the D  keeps the 
shutout - that would be a nice statement for them after this rough  year.

Go Cats!
-SjT

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 12 15:17:42 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:17:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] So much for the shut out ...
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> Miracle TD for OSU.  And then they get Extra Point blocked.  Ugh!  'Cats 
> really need Buckeye win.

Yeah, but I still found it impossible to cheer for Ohio Snake.

It's looking like a good day to take the 'under' in games.
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 15:34:54 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:34:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...
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References: <1321131046.81925.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Stephen's analysis is, as usal, on the mark, in terms of our bowl chances.  Before I read his post I did dome checking up on the schedules of the teams we are contending witth for a possible bowl bid.  Here's the skinny:

1) PURDUE:  Now 5-5--With their win today, they have probably the best schedule of any contender.  Next week at home against Iowa (which is now reeling, to some degree), and then on the road for the "Old Oaken Bucket" against the Hoosiers (We may need Kevin Wilson to pull one out for the sake of his old NU connection.).

2) IOWA:  Now 6-4--After loss today at home against Sparty, they are, as noted above, in West Lafayette next Saturday, where the Boilers and their fans will be charged up.  Iowa has not traveled well this year, so this game will be a tough one for them.  They then go to Lincoln.  So a very difficult "back 9", so to speak for the Hawkeyes.

3) ILLINOIS:  Now 6-3--and losing 7-0 to Michigan--We need them to continue losing today and to basic ride out their losing streak to the end of the season--They have Badgers at home next week, and if Michigan drops them today, they should be heavy underdogs against Bile-lema's Boys.  Sorry, Stephen, but we will have to root for the Smirk in that one.  Then they finish on road at Minneapolis.  If they have dropped 5 in a row at that point, and with Zook's job possibly on the line, they could certainly blow their finale as well.  Plus, one added factor to consider:  They will end up playing 8 games at home, and only 4 (their BT away games) on the road.  Thus, even though they edged us 38-35, their essentially creampuff opeining schedule (5 home games in a row) could hurt them big-time if they finish 6-6 (or even 7-5). 

4) OSU:  Now 6-4--Believe it or not, Buckeyes could still finish with worse record than Purdue or NU, and are at least in some mathematical jeopardy of being left out of the mix--although they "travel" so well to bowls, that is unlikely.  They have "We are Penn State" at home next week, as the "Tattoo" scandal meets the "Sandusky" apocalypse.  If they lose that battle of "No O, All D" teams, they then go to the "Big House", where the Wolverines and their minions would love nothing better than to leave them as "crushed Nuts".  They are so one-dimensional on offense such a scenario is not totally unrealistic.

5) NU:  Now 5-5--Obviously, must win next week against Minny. Smirkster is already up 14-0 on them.  I won't weep this week if he follows form and runs up the score.  Let them come to Evanston on a down note.  Then, we will need maximum effort to somehow move the ball on Spartans' fierce "D" and to have Coach Hank's newly-aroused defenders make Cousins and mates cry "Uncle" on offense.  Would be great if we could fill Ryan field--with 'Cat fans, not Spartans' travel party.  If we are ever to become "Chicago's Big Ten Team", that would be the football Saturday to do so.  The game could be nationally-televised, if Mich. State is going for the "Legends" crown, depending upon when OSU and Michigan play, although Nebraska-Iowa might get consideration as well.   One additional wrinkle:  If Nebraska loses at Michigan next week, and Sparty beats the Hoosiers in East Lansing, then I believe Mich.State would clinch "Legends" crown (as they would have 2-game lead on Nebraska at 4-3, and although Michigan would only be a game behind at 5-2, since Sparty beat Wolves, they should go to Indy).  That would certainly help us in our end-of-season game with State.

So, it will be a wild, wacky last 2 weeks.  NU is in position to do some damage, but must maintain focus and stay as healthy as possible.  It would have been much easier if Purdue had lost today, but given where we were 3 short weeks ago, and given that we, in essence, control our own destiny, life ain't so bad today.

Finally, I have a question:  How come PSU and MSU are not playing this year?  I would have thought their traditional, end-of-season match-up was a protected rivalry game, but apparently, I was wrong.   I assume that MSU-MIch. is protected, but what other rivalries do both teams have going forward?  
 
I am sure I missed something or got something wrong above.  I look forward to others' take on the home stretch run.

Paul Levinson


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Three things we now know (and no, it's not a Rick Perry joke) ...
* The Smug Smirk is back in control of his destiny to Indianapolis and a likely 
ematch with Sparty (blech)
* Purdue's win and the lack of a strong second B(C)S candidate could make our 
owl push extra tough
I suppose the winner of next week's UNL/Michigan game if they win out would be 
ur best bet for an at-large berth with a big name and 10 wins but not coming 
ff a title game loss)
* Nebraska fans will be cheering for Northwestern and wearing purple and white 
n a couple weeks.
All we can do is take care of our own business -- beat Minny and we have a shot, 
eat MSU as well and we're in.
Go Cats!
SjT

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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 12 15:40:52 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:40:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...
In-Reply-To: <8CE6F9A0D5AAA56-358-2A5D3@webmail-m089.sysops.aol.com>
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> The game could be nationally-televised, if Mich. State is going for the "Legends" crown, depending 
> upon when OSU and Michigan play, although Nebraska-Iowa might get consideration as well.   

I believe the Nebraska-Iowa game is at 11AM CT on Friday, not Saturday, and will be on ABC.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 12 16:28:46 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:28:46 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...
In-Reply-To: <20111112214052.D2AE364FBD@romaine.tssi.com>
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 <20111112214052.D2AE364FBD@romaine.tssi.com>
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Our bowl prospects are once again in other's hands, but first we have to win either next
week, or the week after.

November to remember!

Sounds great!

rsl

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> The game could be nationally-televised, if Mich. State is going for the "Legends" crown,
depending 
> upon when OSU and Michigan play, although Nebraska-Iowa might get consideration as well.


I believe the Nebraska-Iowa game is at 11AM CT on Friday, not Saturday, and will be on
ABC.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 16:40:27 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:40:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...
In-Reply-To: <8CE6F9A0D5AAA56-358-2A5D3@webmail-m089.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1321131046.81925.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Couple of things to add to the good analysis by Paul ...

- As Mike noted, Iowa/UNL is a Black Friday game, but the TV schedule for the Big Ten on Saturday is probably going to be Michigan/OSU at noon (can't believe they haven't locked that in yet - that game is ALWAYS at noon!) and Wisky/PSU for the northeast title will be at 2:30 ... I would imagine we're the ESPN game at noon.

- As for the Land Grant Trophy (PSU/MSU) rivalry, one of a few that the Big Ten split up and couldn't save in their idiotic divisional splits. I believe PSU's "protected" cross-divisional game is UNL and MSU's protected one is Indiana. Why? I have no idea. But it makes about as much sense as the stupid division names. An even bigger breakup, IMO, was Iowa/Wisconsin. They chose to save the axe game (UW/Minny) over the Heartland Trophy, which makes sense (although Minnesota seems to have trophy games with 23 teams, the Axe one is the biggest) but still is a shame.

Looking at the top end of the league and our quest for an additional B(C)S berth ...?

* NEBRASKA probably has the best shot. If they win big in Ann Arbor next week and close strong vs. Iowa, that's a strong finish, 10-2 mark losing to possible Rose Bowl rep Wisconsin (and the upset to NU) -- they'd bring a horde of fans to the Valley of the Sun (and a lot are already here) for a Fiesta Bowl matchup with Oklahoma after the Sooners beat Okie State. It would be somewhat fitting if the great "rivalry" that the Big XII didn't deem significant enough to play every year was rekindled in their first year in the Big Ten. And it would fill seats more than Stanford, Oregon or Okie State (and even OU is getting tired of traveling to the Fiesta - this might get them fired up again).

* MICHIGAN has an outside shot if they can win against a self-destructing Illinois today (why couldn't we have faced the Zookers at the END of the year like rivals SHOULD??? We'd crush 'em! I blame this on the stupid division split as well. Delaney, your plan sucks almost to a B(C)S level of suck-i-tude!!!) and then beat Nebraska and OSU at home. They'd be 10-2 and if Sparty wins in Indy, the losses would be to the Rose rep and a tough road game at Iowa. Plus they're a comeback story (and as mentioned on the list earlier this week, our "big three" have taken some big hits in recent years) and bring big ratings and fill seats. Maybe a rematch of that classic Orange Bowl game with Alabama, this time in the Sugar Bowl?

* WISCONSIN needs to win out to get to Pasadena. Otherwise, they're a 3-loss team with plenty of fans, but they can't win the big game and get to head to Florida.
* MICHIGAN STATE needs to win out to get to Pasadena. Otherwise, they're a 3-loss team with some guts but not enough flash, seat-fillers or ratings-grabbers to get a bid.
* PENN STATE needs to win out to get to Pasadena. Otherwise, they've gone from a 10-win team with a possibly retiring legend and fans to a scandal-plagued hot potato no one wants in their bowl -- it will be interesting to see how far they fall in the conference's bowl tie-ins.

So it's going to be an interesting bowl scramble. You gotta think NU is below OSU, Iowa and even the always overrated Ill-ini (for mythical ties to Chicago's market) in the bowl pecking order).?
All we can do is take care of business and win our final two games. ?It starts next week with Minnesota.

Gopher meatballs! Gopher fondue! ...

Go Cats!
-SjT
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From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: sjtruog at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Well ...


Stephen's analysis is, as usal, on the mark, in terms of our bowl chances.? Before I read his post I did dome checking up on the schedules of the teams we are contending witth for a possible bowl bid.? Here's the skinny:
?
1) PURDUE:? Now 5-5--With their win today, they have probably the best schedule of any contender.? Next week at home against Iowa (which is now reeling, to some degree), and then on the road for the "Old Oaken Bucket" against the Hoosiers (We may need Kevin Wilson to pull one out for the sake of his old NU connection.).
?
2) IOWA:? Now 6-4--After loss today at home against Sparty, they are, as noted above, in West Lafayette next Saturday, where the Boilers and their fans will be charged up.? Iowa has not traveled well this year, so this game will be a tough one for them.? They then go to Lincoln.? So a very difficult "back 9", so to speak for the Hawkeyes.
?
3) ILLINOIS:? Now 6-3--and losing 7-0 to Michigan--We need them to continue losing today and to basic ride out their losing streak to the end of the season--They have Badgers at home next week, and if Michigan drops them today, they should be heavy underdogs against Bile-lema's Boys.? Sorry, Stephen, but we will have to root for the Smirk in that one.? Then they finish on road at Minneapolis.? If they have dropped 5 in a row at that point, and with Zook's job possibly on the line, they could certainly blow their finale as well.? Plus, one added factor to consider:? They will end up playing 8 games at home, and only 4 (their BT away games) on the road.? Thus, even though they edged us 38-35, their essentially creampuff opeining schedule (5 home games in a row)?could hurt them big-time if they finish 6-6 (or even 7-5).?
?
4) OSU:? Now 6-4--Believe it or not, Buckeyes could still finish with worse record than Purdue or NU, and are at least in some mathematical jeopardy of being left out of the mix--although they "travel" so well to bowls, that is unlikely.? They have "We are Penn State" at home next week, as the "Tattoo" scandal meets the "Sandusky" apocalypse.? If they lose that battle of "No O, All D" teams, they then go to the "Big House", where the Wolverines and their minions would love nothing better than to leave them as "crushed Nuts".? They are so one-dimensional on offense such a scenario is not totally unrealistic.
?
5) NU:? Now 5-5--Obviously, must win next week against Minny. Smirkster is already up 14-0 on them.? I won't weep this week if he follows form and runs up the score.? Let them come to Evanston on a down note.? Then, we will need maximum effort to somehow move the ball on Spartans' fierce "D" and to have Coach Hank's newly-aroused defenders make Cousins and mates cry "Uncle" on offense.? Would be great if we could fill Ryan field--with 'Cat fans, not Spartans' travel party.? If we are ever to become "Chicago's Big Ten Team", that would be the football Saturday to do so.? The game could be nationally-televised, if Mich. State is going for the "Legends" crown, depending upon when OSU and Michigan play, although Nebraska-Iowa might get consideration as well.?? One additional wrinkle:? If Nebraska loses at Michigan next week, and Sparty beats the Hoosiers in East Lansing, then I believe Mich.State would clinch "Legends" crown (as they would have
 2-game lead on Nebraska at 4-3, and although Michigan would only be a game behind at 5-2, since Sparty beat Wolves, they should go to Indy).? That would certainly help us in our end-of-season game with State.
?
So, it will be a wild, wacky last 2 weeks.? NU is in position to do some damage, but must maintain focus and stay as healthy as possible.? It would have been much easier if Purdue had lost today, but given where we were 3 short weeks ago, and given that we, in essence, control our own destiny, life ain't so bad today.
?
Finally, I have a question:? How come PSU and MSU are not playing this year?? I would have thought their traditional, end-of-season match-up was a protected rivalry game, but apparently, I was wrong.?? I assume that MSU-MIch. is protected, but what other rivalries do both teams have going forward?? 
?
I am sure I missed something or got something wrong above.? I look forward to others' take on the home stretch run.
?
Paul Levinson


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From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 12, 2011 3:51 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...


Three things we now know (and no, it's not a Rick Perry joke) ... * The Smug Smirk is back in control of his destiny to Indianapolis and a likely 
rematch with Sparty (blech) * Purdue's win and the lack of a strong second B(C)S candidate could make our 
bowl push extra tough
(I suppose the winner of next week's UNL/Michigan game if they win out would be 
our best bet for an at-large berth with a big name and 10 wins but not coming 
off a title game loss) * Nebraska fans will be cheering for Northwestern and wearing purple and white 
in a couple weeks. All we can do is take care of our own business -- beat Minny and we have a shot, 
beat MSU as well and we're in. Go Cats!
-SjT
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 16:50:14 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 14:50:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The protected rivalries ...
In-Reply-To: <8CE6F9A0D5AAA56-358-2A5D3@webmail-m089.sysops.aol.com>
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The cross divisional rivalries protected in Mr. Delaney's high-on-who-knows-what mad scramble to force divisions ...

Michigan - Ohio State (duh!)
Northwestern - Illinois (an easy call for the Stovepipe Hat)

Minnesota - Wisconsin (for the Axe ... good call, though I miss Iowa/Wisky in their battle of "80-year-old grannies who yell profanities at visiting fans" bowl)
MSU - Indiana (a basketball protection??? did the 1987 Rose Bowl race make these two rivals forever???)
UNL - Penn State (no idea why? New Kids rivalry?)
Iowa - Purdue (black and gold rivals? the bumblebee game?)

Of course, if Delaney hadn't tinkered with geography, we'd have ...

- Pretty much the same inside track title game teams (MSU/Wisky)
- Pretty much the same competitive balance
- No need for protected rivalries

And we'd probably play the Illini at the end of the year instead of the first league game ...

Go Cats!
-SjT
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 17:45:25 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:45:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Is there a record for replay overturns?
Message-ID: <1321141525.93338.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Because these refs in the Ill-noise/Michigan game are trying to set it.

Not really hurting one side or the other - just general ineptitude. And a lot of these are pretty short reviews with pretty cut and dry evidence.

One thing the Big Ten did right - the replay system that doesn't waste challenges or anything for bad officiating. That idea guy must have left before the division name debacle.

As for the game itself, this is rivaling LSU/Bama for offensive sloppiness. The Illini have really become an ugly team to watch with that PSU klunker and this one. Their offense is crawling to the finish line.

That's karma for that groin kick!

Go Cats!
-SjT
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 12 17:59:53 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:59:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...
In-Reply-To: <001701cca18a$71f39790$55dac6b0$@com>
Message-ID: <20111112235953.560BA64FCA@romaine.tssi.com>

> Our bowl prospects are once again in other's hands, but first we have to =
> win either next
> week, or the week after.

Win 'em both!
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 12 18:43:11 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:43:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS-busted
Message-ID: <20111113004311.343D664E02@romaine.tssi.com>

TCU took a big gamble going for 2 to take the lead with around a minute left in the game,
and the officials seemed to be on Boise State's side with a couple of questionable
calls on the final drive, but at the end of the game Boise State's kicker missed a 37 yard 
field goal wide right, and Boise State's perfect season is busted.

That might give the Big Ten a slightly better shot at two BCS slots, which would
be good news for both Northwestern and Purdue.  
--
Mike Nolan


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 19:21:21 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:21:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The protected rivalries ...
Message-ID: <1321147281.91400.YahooMailClassic@web161020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>


>UNL - Penn State (no idea why? New Kids rivalry?)

You're kidding, right? The two powerhouse programs after Michigan and Ohio State? It would be an obvious cross-division rivalry even if they didn't already have a pretty rich rivalry history already. But they do--look it up. PSU vs Nebraska is one of the most attractive things about the new Big Ten (well, PSU's current situation notwithstanding).

Tom


From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 12 19:29:30 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 19:29:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The protected rivalries ...
In-Reply-To: <1321147281.91400.YahooMailClassic@web161020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111113012930.2730864FD2@romaine.tssi.com>

If the Big Ten goes to a 9 game conference schedule (I think 2015 is when it 
may happen, barring further expansion of the Big Ten), will they allow two 
protected cross-division rivalries or just increase how often the other teams
play cross-division?
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 19:36:44 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:36:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The protected rivalries ...
In-Reply-To: <1321147281.91400.YahooMailClassic@web161020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321147281.91400.YahooMailClassic@web161020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1321148204.82403.YahooMailNeo@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

When's the last time they had played? I'm not sure if there was a rivalry in the 70s or something, but they sure aren't geographical rivals with that being the longest trip in the league.

- SjT
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From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
To: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The protected rivalries ...


>UNL - Penn State (no idea why? New Kids rivalry?)

You're kidding, right? The two powerhouse programs after Michigan and Ohio State? It would be an obvious cross-division rivalry even if they didn't already have a pretty rich rivalry history already. But they do--look it up. PSU vs Nebraska is one of the most attractive things about the new Big Ten (well, PSU's current situation notwithstanding).

Tom

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 19:41:05 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:41:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS-busted
In-Reply-To: <20111113004311.343D664E02@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111113004311.343D664E02@romaine.tssi.com>
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Gutsy call indeed and good news for the Cartel conferences to get two B(C)S teams.

Unless Houston runs the table -- in which case, we'd probably have a situation more like Hawaii where they'd get crushed than with Utah/Boise/TCU where they win (they barely beat UCLA in OT!). Plus, high school games in Houston get more fans than Cougar games.

So we gotta hope someone beats Houston - then it's pretty set. The Big Least is lucky they get one team, yet alone two. The ACC's only ranked teams will play each other in front of a dozen or so friends and family for their title game. And Notre Dame plays Stanford at the end of the year, which will knock one of those out.

So unless Houston slips in or they change the two-per-league rule, it's double dipping time for the SEC, Little XII, Pac 12 and Big Ten. And as I said, I think the winner of next week's UNL/Michigan game would be in the seat for that extra spot.

And while I feel bad for Boise, at least it's some good news for our bowl hopes. Now let's beat those Gophers!

Go Cats!
-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 5:43 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS-busted

TCU took a big gamble going for 2 to take the lead with around a minute left in the game,
and the officials seemed to be on Boise State's side with a couple of questionable
calls on the final drive, but at the end of the game Boise State's kicker missed a 37 yard 
field goal wide right, and Boise State's perfect season is busted.

That might give the Big Ten a slightly better shot at two BCS slots, which would
be good news for both Northwestern and Purdue.? 
--
Mike Nolan

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 19:47:19 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:47:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The protected rivalries ...
Message-ID: <1321148839.5710.YahooMailClassic@web161020.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

OK, I'll look it up for you. Here's one article that captures some of it nicely:

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/38101/nebraska-penn-state-revisit-shared-history

"The schools played each other every year from 1979-83, and both usually brought high rankings into the game. The series came to a head in 1982, when No. 8 Penn State hosted No. 2 Nebraska in what many Nittany Lions consider the greatest game ever played in Beaver Stadium.?"

"Between 1970-99, Nebraska and Penn State finished in the top 10 of the AP poll together 17 times. "

They also played a home-and-home last decade. 

Basically, while you may not remember it as a great rivalry, all Nebraska and Penn State fans (those of a certain age at least) most certainly do. In this case, it's about quality, not quantity.

Tom



From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 12 20:01:33 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:01:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS-busted
In-Reply-To: <1321148465.82408.YahooMailNeo@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111113020133.B3A3F64FDA@romaine.tssi.com>

Your first assumption is that Stanford will win tonight, right 
now that's far from certain.  

As for Houston, have they played anybody worth mentioning?  
UCLA was a not a good team back then, they've gotten a little
better as the season went along, but that loss to Arizona
was a major setback.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 20:13:59 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:13:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS-busted
In-Reply-To: <20111113020133.B3A3F64FDA@romaine.tssi.com>
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Oh no, I assume a Stanford loss tonight.

But with the love they get from the B(C)S, they won't fall far and will get to crush a "rejuvenated" Irish team at the end of the year to make their case and won't have to play in the title game, so they'll finish 11-1.

And BTW, is Musburger Luck's agent or something? He needs to wipe the drool off his mouth when doing a Stanford game.

I've only seen the SC game and this Oregon one, but I'm more inclined to agree with Phil Simms on Luck. He's more Leinart than Payton, and he's played a soft, soft schedule.

Go Cats!
-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: sjtruog at yahoo.com
Cc: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 7:01 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BCS-busted

Your first assumption is that Stanford will win tonight, right 
now that's far from certain.? 

As for Houston, have they played anybody worth mentioning?? 
UCLA was a not a good team back then, they've gotten a little
better as the season went along, but that loss to Arizona
was a major setback.
--
Mike Nolan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 12 20:25:15 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:25:15 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...
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I'll take that too.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Nolan [mailto:nolan at tssi.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 7:00 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Cc: 'Mike Nolan'; neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Well ...

> Our bowl prospects are once again in other's hands, but first we have to =
> win either next
> week, or the week after.

Win 'em both!
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 23:00:19 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:00:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I may not be right about a lot of things ...
Message-ID: <1321160419.96842.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... but I was certain Oregon would beat Stanford for months. I have the same certainty that Oklahoma will beat Okie State. I have no idea why the B(C)S computers or media continue to try and prop these leagues and their leaders up as power leagues.

I guess that means I have to hope Petrino's Piggies can upset LSU for a total B(C)-MESS chaos then!

It might be interesting to see whether they push Oklahoma up to avoid a rematch of LSU-Oregon or LSU-Bama, but it still just shows how much we need a playoff.

Line of the night from my friend in Madison: Boise is the new Wide Right school. Poor Broncos.
Worst lines of the night: Musburger trashing Stanford's receivers and line at every turn, making every excuse for Luck possible instead of admitting that Phil Simms is right.

So what does that do to the bowl picture? Well, it might not be as good of news as we thought for the Big Ten - because Boise will still likely get a B(C)S berth. The non-AQ schools get an automatic bid if they are in the top 12 of the standings (tough to see Boise dropping out of the top 10 or Houston doing so) ... or top 16 if they're ranked ahead of an AQ (bring in an unranked 7-5 Big Least team!). So this week's guesses ...

TITLE: LSU vs. Alabama - The rematch no one wanted outside of the SEC media bubble
ROSE: Oregon vs. Wisconsin - Speed vs. Power and a good matchup for the Big Ten
SUGAR: Boise State vs. Oklahoma State - A fun backyard-style game
ORANGE: Clemson vs. Big East TBA (really, just hold a free throw shooting contest or game of Risk to decide this mess)
FIESTA: Oklahoma vs. Stanford - Perhaps the two most overrated preseason teams?

It's a tough call who gets left out, as Nebraska probably brings more than Okie State or Stanford ... and you know the Orange would love to work out a deal to dump their Big Least team for the Huskers, or the Fiesta would love to pit the Sooners and Huskers against each other ... we'll see what type of deals get worked out

CITRUS: Nebraska vs. Georgia - The Citrus would love to grab the Huskers here and Georgia's on fire lately (Arkansas probably heads to the Cotton)
OUTBACK: Michigan State vs. South Carolina - A matchup of two teams desperately trying to get into the upper echelon of their leagues
INSIGHT: Michigan vs. Texas - This bowl has moved up to get a big-name matchup like this
GATOR: Penn State vs. Florida - Big names but subpar teams
HOUSTON: Ohio State vs. Texas A&M - Another big-name matchup, these two are inconsistent
DALLAS: Iowa vs. Missouri - Hawkeyes travel better than Illini, Purdue or NU
MOTOR CITY: Illinois vs. Northern Illinois - Can't they just move the game to Chicago?

Hoping for openings (or a second B(C)S selection at this point): Purdue and Northwestern

Does this mean we have to - gulp - hope the Irish beat the Treez in a couple weeks? We gotta get that second B(C)S team!

But first, BEAT MINNESOTA!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 12 23:21:39 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:21:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I may not be right about a lot of things ...
In-Reply-To: <1321160419.96842.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321160419.96842.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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FYI, two reps from the Gator were at our game this afternoon.

Not sure what the announced crowd was, but that probably didn't help.? But Jim 
Phillips is a Class A lobbyist.





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From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 11:00:19 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] I may not be right about a lot of things ...

... but I was certain Oregon would beat Stanford for months. I have the same 
certainty that Oklahoma will beat Okie State. I have no idea why the B(C)S 
computers or media continue to try and prop these leagues and their leaders up 
as power leagues.

I guess that means I have to hope Petrino's Piggies can upset LSU for a total 
B(C)-MESS chaos then!

It might be interesting to see whether they push Oklahoma up to avoid a rematch 
of LSU-Oregon or LSU-Bama, but it still just shows how much we need a playoff.

Line of the night from my friend in Madison: Boise is the new Wide Right school. 
Poor Broncos.
Worst lines of the night: Musburger trashing Stanford's receivers and line at 
every turn, making every excuse for Luck possible instead of admitting that Phil 
Simms is right.

So what does that do to the bowl picture? Well, it might not be as good of news 
as we thought for the Big Ten - because Boise will still likely get a B(C)S 
berth. The non-AQ schools get an automatic bid if they are in the top 12 of the 
standings (tough to see Boise dropping out of the top 10 or Houston doing so) 
... or top 16 if they're ranked ahead of an AQ (bring in an unranked 7-5 Big 
Least team!). So this week's guesses ...

TITLE: LSU vs. Alabama - The rematch no one wanted outside of the SEC media 
bubble
ROSE: Oregon vs. Wisconsin - Speed vs. Power and a good matchup for the Big Ten
SUGAR: Boise State vs. Oklahoma State - A fun backyard-style game
ORANGE: Clemson vs. Big East TBA (really, just hold a free throw shooting 
contest or game of Risk to decide this mess)
FIESTA: Oklahoma vs. Stanford - Perhaps the two most overrated preseason teams?

It's a tough call who gets left out, as Nebraska probably brings more than Okie 
State or Stanford ... and you know the Orange would love to work out a deal to 
dump their Big Least team for the Huskers, or the Fiesta would love to pit the 
Sooners and Huskers against each other ... we'll see what type of deals get 
worked out

CITRUS: Nebraska vs. Georgia - The Citrus would love to grab the Huskers here 
and Georgia's on fire lately (Arkansas probably heads to the Cotton)
OUTBACK: Michigan State vs. South Carolina - A matchup of two teams desperately 
trying to get into the upper echelon of their leagues
INSIGHT: Michigan vs. Texas - This bowl has moved up to get a big-name matchup 
like this
GATOR: Penn State vs. Florida - Big names but subpar teams
HOUSTON: Ohio State vs. Texas A&M - Another big-name matchup, these two are 
inconsistent
DALLAS: Iowa vs. Missouri - Hawkeyes travel better than Illini, Purdue or NU
MOTOR CITY: Illinois vs. Northern Illinois - Can't they just move the game to 
Chicago?

Hoping for openings (or a second B(C)S selection at this point): Purdue and 
Northwestern

Does this mean we have to - gulp - hope the Irish beat the Treez in a couple 
weeks? We gotta get that second B(C)S team!

But first, BEAT MINNESOTA!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 12 23:44:45 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:44:45 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I may not be right about a lot of things ...
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SJT,
I think your Motor City pick of Illinois is very shaky at this point.  The Illini are as likely to lose 6 straight to end their season 6-6 as we are to win 5 straight to end ours with 7-5 mark.  Yes, I know we have to beat Minny (at home) and, of course Sparty.  But our curve is up, while the Illini are dazed and demoralized and toothless with the ball, and face Wisky (at least as tough an opponent as MSU) and Gophers in St. Paul). Purdue, of course is a big factor here as well.  They worry me more at this point than the Zookers, as they now seem to be a team of destiny.  
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I may not be right about a lot of things ...

FYI, two reps from the Gator were at our game this afternoon.

Not sure what the announced crowd was, but that probably didn't help.? But Jim 
Phillips is a Class A lobbyist.





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Sent: Sat, November 12, 2011 11:00:19 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] I may not be right about a lot of things ...

... but I was certain Oregon would beat Stanford for months. I have the same 
certainty that Oklahoma will beat Okie State. I have no idea why the B(C)S 
computers or media continue to try and prop these leagues and their leaders up 
as power leagues.

I guess that means I have to hope Petrino's Piggies can upset LSU for a total 
B(C)-MESS chaos then!

It might be interesting to see whether they push Oklahoma up to avoid a rematch 
of LSU-Oregon or LSU-Bama, but it still just shows how much we need a playoff.

Line of the night from my friend in Madison: Boise is the new Wide Right school. 
Poor Broncos.
Worst lines of the night: Musburger trashing Stanford's receivers and line at 
every turn, making every excuse for Luck possible instead of admitting that Phil 
Simms is right.

So what does that do to the bowl picture? Well, it might not be as good of news 
as we thought for the Big Ten - because Boise will still likely get a B(C)S 
berth. The non-AQ schools get an automatic bid if they are in the top 12 of the 
standings (tough to see Boise dropping out of the top 10 or Houston doing so) 
... or top 16 if they're ranked ahead of an AQ (bring in an unranked 7-5 Big 
Least team!). So this week's guesses ...

TITLE: LSU vs. Alabama - The rematch no one wanted outside of the SEC media 
bubble
ROSE: Oregon vs. Wisconsin - Speed vs. Power and a good matchup for the Big Ten
SUGAR: Boise State vs. Oklahoma State - A fun backyard-style game
ORANGE: Clemson vs. Big East TBA (really, just hold a free throw shooting 
contest or game of Risk to decide this mess)
FIESTA: Oklahoma vs. Stanford - Perhaps the two most overrated preseason teams?

It's a tough call who gets left out, as Nebraska probably brings more than Okie 
State or Stanford ... and you know the Orange would love to work out a deal to 
dump their Big Least team for the Huskers, or the Fiesta would love to pit the 
Sooners and Huskers against each other ... we'll see what type of deals get 
worked out

CITRUS: Nebraska vs. Georgia - The Citrus would love to grab the Huskers here 
and Georgia's on fire lately (Arkansas probably heads to the Cotton)
OUTBACK: Michigan State vs. South Carolina - A matchup of two teams desperately 
trying to get into the upper echelon of their leagues
INSIGHT: Michigan vs. Texas - This bowl has moved up to get a big-name matchup 
like this
GATOR: Penn State vs. Florida - Big names but subpar teams
HOUSTON: Ohio State vs. Texas A&M - Another big-name matchup, these two are 
inconsistent
DALLAS: Iowa vs. Missouri - Hawkeyes travel better than Illini, Purdue or NU
MOTOR CITY: Illinois vs. Northern Illinois - Can't they just move the game to 
Chicago?

Hoping for openings (or a second B(C)S selection at this point): Purdue and 
Northwestern

Does this mean we have to - gulp - hope the Irish beat the Treez in a couple 
weeks? We gotta get that second B(C)S team!

But first, BEAT MINNESOTA!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 12 23:46:00 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:46:00 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I may not be right about a lot of things ...
In-Reply-To: <1321161699.41693.YahooMailRC@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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> FYI, two reps from the Gator were at our game this afternoon.
> 
> Not sure what the announced crowd was, but that probably didn't help.=A0 Bu=
> t Jim =
> 
> Phillips is a Class A lobbyist.

Attendance was 26,886.

Attendance at the Wisconsin-Minnesota game was in the 43,000's
attendance at Ohio State-Purdue was in the 49,000's.
--
Mike Nolan


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 12 23:58:52 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 05:58:52 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Sparty-Indiana
Message-ID: <1105471969-1321163945-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1789394685-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>

Is a trophy game too -- the old brass spittoon I believe. Maybe why it was protected too? 

Brad Wilson
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 00:09:13 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 06:09:13 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries
Message-ID: <1080689989-1321164562-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1354304085-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>

SJT, aren't you the same guy who runs down the Illini rivalry every year and now it's ultra-sacred just so you can bash Delany? Your slip is showing unless I am mistaken about your Illini bashing. 

Also Nebraska-Penn State makes a bit of sense as UNL's other 2 obvious rivals (minny and iowa) are divisional rivals and the Huskers and Lions have an intense if brief history in the late 70's and early 80's. 

the division names are stupid. The divisions aren't the best but they could also be worse (NU could be in a division with Ohio State). 

Brad Wilson
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 01:18:15 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 23:18:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries
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Not sure if I run it down ... I always say that Iowa is our REAL rival and Wisky is my personal rival ... but I recognize that the in-state, public/private school thing is our official rivalry.

And as such, it should be played at the end of the year and not as our first game.

The chance to bash Delaney was just the icing on the cake. :)

I realize UNL/PSU played a couple big games a quarter of a century ago, but protected rivals based on that? Really? Especially when they're the two teams furthest apart distance wise in the Big Ten? Seems weak. Notre Dame and Tennessee played a couple of good games in the 80s as well. Are they rivals? What about Colorado and Michigan? Miami and Oklahoma?

But anyway, if Delaney hadn't tried to mess with geography, we wouldn't have the stupid divisions or even more lame division names.
And death to the B(C)S!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:09 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries

SJT, aren't you the same guy who runs down the Illini rivalry every year and now it's ultra-sacred just so you can bash Delany? Your slip is showing unless I am mistaken about your Illini bashing. 

Also Nebraska-Penn State makes a bit of sense as UNL's other 2 obvious rivals (minny and iowa) are divisional rivals and the Huskers and Lions have an intense if brief history in the late 70's and early 80's. 

the division names are stupid. The divisions aren't the best but they could also be worse (NU could be in a division with Ohio State). 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 13 06:16:07 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 07:16:07 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries
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Iowa became more of a rival back in the 90's, with Gary B taking on Hayden Fry, but it
seems lately that as NU tries to become "Chicago's Big 10 Team," the games with Illinois
take on more of a rivalry feel, at least among the media and their players.

One of Carmody's big goals has to be to more regularly beat the Illini on the hardwood,
and I know Zook hit us pretty hard when he took over down in Shampoo-Banana.

Of course, when you are regularly beating someone, you become a big rival to them.

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] More on rivalries

Not sure if I run it down ... I always say that Iowa is our REAL rival and Wisky is my
personal rival ... but I recognize that the in-state, public/private school thing is our
official rivalry.

And as such, it should be played at the end of the year and not as our first game.

The chance to bash Delaney was just the icing on the cake. :)

I realize UNL/PSU played a couple big games a quarter of a century ago, but protected
rivals based on that? Really? Especially when they're the two teams furthest apart
distance wise in the Big Ten? Seems weak. Notre Dame and Tennessee played a couple of good
games in the 80s as well. Are they rivals? What about Colorado and Michigan? Miami and
Oklahoma?

But anyway, if Delaney hadn't tried to mess with geography, we wouldn't have the stupid
divisions or even more lame division names.
And death to the B(C)S!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



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From: "bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com" <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:09 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries

SJT, aren't you the same guy who runs down the Illini rivalry every year and now it's
ultra-sacred just so you can bash Delany? Your slip is showing unless I am mistaken about
your Illini bashing. 

Also Nebraska-Penn State makes a bit of sense as UNL's other 2 obvious rivals (minny and
iowa) are divisional rivals and the Huskers and Lions have an intense if brief history in
the late 70's and early 80's. 

the division names are stupid. The divisions aren't the best but they could also be worse
(NU could be in a division with Ohio State). 

Brad Wilson
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sun Nov 13 12:54:41 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:54:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...
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List Gang,


   Selfish Cat fan that I am, I want Navy to tank it and the Cats end up in DC in the Military Bowl.  Yours truly lives 2 hours away. Hey, better than Detroit:)   GO CATS!!!   PS- Don't forget the basketball team is on BTN at 7 Eastern.           Eric



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> Our bowl prospects are once again in other's hands, but first we have to =
> win either next
> week, or the week after.

Win 'em both!
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 13:14:11 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:14:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries
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I have always considered Illinois NU's chief rival in my 27 years of NU fandom. Then Wisconsin (perhaps because have many friends in Buckyland) and then Iowa. After that? Depends on who NU's had better/close/heartbreaking/etc games with lately. I'd now say Michigan State and Penn State. 


Looking at future skeds Illinois moves to end-of-season status from 2012 ... way it should be!!!

BTW I hope NU is pretty good in 2014 with this close to the season:

Oct. 18 vs. Wisconsin
Oct. 25 at Ohio State
Nov. 1 at Michigan State
Nov. 8 vs. Iowa
Nov. 15 at Notre Dame
Nov. 22 at Michigan
Nov. 29 vs. Illinois

Yikes.

bw

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sun Nov 13 13:09:56 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:09:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The second half ...
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   I called for a score-fest but hoped for 35-13...looks like my "hope" came through.  I still don't trust our defense, but on rushing situations they're getting into the offensive backfield.  A thought: Last year our defense played OK (not great, but not lousy either) before the last 3 games.  This year they've played lousy all season but good the last 2 games.  So it is possible to get better or worse during the season with the same players.  I will try to have faith!
   The turnovers prevented a probable 35,42-0 shut-out. Scary.
   One thing I don't understand:  Last week, we're up 14-10 in a hostile environment and send our green kicker in to try a 41 yard field goal. It was 4th and 2 after very conservative 3rd and 5 hand-off in which it appeared we were going to "go for it" on 4th down; the situation screamed for it. He missed it.  This week, at home vs. Rice with no pressure up 21-0 its 4th and 9, and we don't let the same kicker try a 41 yarder?  I didn't get that... Maybe working on 4th and long yardage situations?
  Just a little thing; I'm not complaining just a bit perplexed. Then again, what else is new:)


      GO CATS!!!            Eric


                   



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That would be me except for some trickeration and 3 turnovers and Fitz not  
trying to run it up I might have been correct...but I'll take this 
blowout...GO  CATS!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
appears to have switched from the Jeremy Ebert Show to the Kain Colter  
Show.

Who was it that said 35-0 yesterday? Good call. Hopefully the D  keeps the 
shutout - that would be a nice statement for them after this rough  year.

Go Cats!
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 13 13:18:04 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:18:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The second half ...
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>    One thing I don't understand:  Last week, we're up 14-10 in a hostile environment and send our green kicker in to try a 41 yard field goal. It was 4th and 2 after very conservative 3rd and 5 hand-off in which it appeared we were going to "go for it" on 4th down; the situation screamed for it. He missed it.  This week, at home vs. Rice with no pressure up 21-0 its 4th and 9, and we don't let the same kicker try a 41 yarder?  I didn't get that... Maybe working on 4th and long yardage situations?
>   Just a little thing; I'm not complaining just a bit perplexed. Then again, what else is new:)

Unless one has a proven kicker, the decisions are probably made based
on game day circumstances, such as what the wind is and how the kicker
was doing during warmups.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 14:10:35 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:10:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries
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I agree Ill-noise is our official rivalry and should be at the end of the season. However, for it to be a rivalry, you really need both sides to consider it such, and I don't think the Illini consider us their rival.?Neither do the Badgers.

However, the Hog-eyes have hated us since the Hayden/Barnett war of words in the mid-90s. They might not rank us up there with Wisky and Minny, but they always travel to Evanston in hordes (more than anyone with the exception of Wisconsin - and that's more because Milwaukee's as close to Chicago as Madison -- Iowa takes more ?committment) and after recent years of upsets, Io_a was clearly geared up for NU this year with their fans and players. And we have our hated memories of the bumblebees as well (2000 :( ). So that's why I'd consider them the *real* rival for the "modern" era of NU football (i.e. Barnett/Walker/Fitz years). It's been our "red letter" game since Barnett came and we're more of one for them, too, than we are for the Illini, Badgers or Boilers.

As for 2014 - gulp. That's a rough end to the season there!!! You won't find that type of November schedule in the SEC!

Go Cats!
-SjT
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I have always considered Illinois NU's chief rival in my 27 years of NU fandom. Then Wisconsin (perhaps because have many friends in Buckyland) and then Iowa. After that? Depends on who NU's had better/close/heartbreaking/etc games with lately. I'd now say Michigan State and Penn State. 


Looking at future skeds Illinois moves to end-of-season status from 2012 ... way it should be!!!

BTW I hope NU is pretty good in 2014 with this close to the season:

Oct. 18 vs. Wisconsin
Oct. 25 at Ohio State
Nov. 1 at Michigan State
Nov. 8 vs. Iowa
Nov. 15 at Notre Dame
Nov. 22 at Michigan
Nov. 29 vs.
 Illinois

Yikes.

bw

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 13 14:17:27 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:17:27 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries
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I believe Illinois is the only school where we play for a trophy.   That is no guarantee as the # 1 rivalry (I dont think an actual trophy exists for the winner of the  Ohio State-Michigan game)but it certainly adds credence to it.

  I also suspect the 2 way viewpoint would have gone out the window in the 70's and 80's when we were patsy's.

Harry
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I agree Ill-noise is our official rivalry and should be at the end of the season. However, for it to be a rivalry, you really need both sides to consider it such, and I don't think the Illini consider us their rival.?Neither do the Badgers.

However, the Hog-eyes have hated us since the Hayden/Barnett war of words in the mid-90s. They might not rank us up there with Wisky and Minny, but they always travel to Evanston in hordes (more than anyone with the exception of Wisconsin - and that's more because Milwaukee's as close to Chicago as Madison -- Iowa takes more ?committment) and after recent years of upsets, Io_a was clearly geared up for NU this year with their fans and players. And we have our hated memories of the bumblebees as well (2000 :( ). So that's why I'd consider them the *real* rival for the "modern" era of NU football (i.e. Barnett/Walker/Fitz years). It's been our "red letter" game since Barnett came and we're more of one for them, too, than we are for the Illini, Badgers or Boilers.

As for 2014 - gulp. That's a rough end to the season there!!! You won't find that type of November schedule in the SEC!

Go Cats!
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I have always considered Illinois NU's chief rival in my 27 years of NU fandom. Then Wisconsin (perhaps because have many friends in Buckyland) and then Iowa. After that? Depends on who NU's had better/close/heartbreaking/etc games with lately. I'd now say Michigan State and Penn State. 


Looking at future skeds Illinois moves to end-of-season status from 2012 ... way it should be!!!

BTW I hope NU is pretty good in 2014 with this close to the season:

Oct. 18 vs. Wisconsin
Oct. 25 at Ohio State
Nov. 1 at Michigan State
Nov. 8 vs. Iowa
Nov. 15 at Notre Dame
Nov. 22 at Michigan
Nov. 29 vs.
 Illinois

Yikes.

bw
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 13 14:24:48 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:24:48 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries
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> Don't be too sure about that Illini hate for NU. Our "Chicago's Big Ten
> Team" marketing ploy has really disturbed their alumni, who appear to be
> geographically challenged.
>
> Personally, I loathe the Illini and would be most happy to smack them down
> every year. Perhaps the text videos from the stands the past two years from
> my gloating Illini sister and brother-in-law have flamed those fires even
> hotter.
>

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 13 15:11:53 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:11:53 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] The second half ...
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Both of Persa's picks were thrown into the wind, and in once case, Colter should have come
back for the ball.

Next year, Colter will want his WR's to do that for him.

rsl

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=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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Nolan
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 2:18 PM
To: Eric Kunkel
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The second half ...

>    One thing I don't understand:  Last week, we're up 14-10 in a hostile environment and
send our green kicker in to try a 41 yard field goal. It was 4th and 2 after very
conservative 3rd and 5 hand-off in which it appeared we were going to "go for it" on 4th
down; the situation screamed for it. He missed it.  This week, at home vs. Rice with no
pressure up 21-0 its 4th and 9, and we don't let the same kicker try a 41 yarder?  I
didn't get that... Maybe working on 4th and long yardage situations?
>   Just a little thing; I'm not complaining just a bit perplexed. Then again, what else
is new:)

Unless one has a proven kicker, the decisions are probably made based
on game day circumstances, such as what the wind is and how the kicker
was doing during warmups.
--
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov 13 15:26:49 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 21:26:49 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten Coaches
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Now that JoePa is gone, and also Tressel before him, Kirk Ferentz is now the Dean of Big Ten Head Coaches.  More importantly, Fitz is now in the top tier in terms of longevity, along with Dantonio, Zook (whose "expiration date" may not be far off) and Bile-lema.  
 
I think we should henceforth refrain fom referring to our HC as "our JoePa" and instead call him "our Fitz".  He is no longer a "New Kid on the Block", but is evolving into a cagey veteran.  Schools whose HC's have less tenure than Pat F. are Purdue, Indiana. Minnesota, Michigan, OSU, and, of course, Penn State.

I am leaving Bo Pellini out of this mix, since the Huskers just enlisted.  He may have less tenure than Fitz anyway.

Paul Levinson
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 13 15:34:24 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 21:34:24 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten Coaches
Message-ID: <404700663-1321220065-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1206551850-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

In Happy Valley they are looking for the "Next Fitz"
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Now that JoePa is gone, and also Tressel before him, Kirk Ferentz is now the Dean of Big Ten Head Coaches.  More importantly, Fitz is now in the top tier in terms of longevity, along with Dantonio, Zook (whose "expiration date" may not be far off) and Bile-lema.  
 
I think we should henceforth refrain fom referring to our HC as "our JoePa" and instead call him "our Fitz".  He is no longer a "New Kid on the Block", but is evolving into a cagey veteran.  Schools whose HC's have less tenure than Pat F. are Purdue, Indiana. Minnesota, Michigan, OSU, and, of course, Penn State.

I am leaving Bo Pellini out of this mix, since the Huskers just enlisted.  He may have less tenure than Fitz anyway.

Paul Levinson
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 13 15:46:14 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:46:14 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten Coaches
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Since Fitz was promoted from the ranks of the assistants....

Does that meat Joe Pa's son is in line?

rsl

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those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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In Happy Valley they are looking for the "Next Fitz"
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Now that JoePa is gone, and also Tressel before him, Kirk Ferentz is now the Dean of Big
Ten Head Coaches.  More importantly, Fitz is now in the top tier in terms of longevity,
along with Dantonio, Zook (whose "expiration date" may not be far off) and Bile-lema.  
 
I think we should henceforth refrain fom referring to our HC as "our JoePa" and instead
call him "our Fitz".  He is no longer a "New Kid on the Block", but is evolving into a
cagey veteran.  Schools whose HC's have less tenure than Pat F. are Purdue, Indiana.
Minnesota, Michigan, OSU, and, of course, Penn State.

I am leaving Bo Pellini out of this mix, since the Huskers just enlisted.  He may have
less tenure than Fitz anyway.

Paul Levinson
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 13 17:21:14 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:21:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Illinois LB out for season after being shot in hand
Message-ID: <20111113232114.AE74165005@romaine.tssi.com>

Things for the Illini just keep getting worse.

Illinois LB Trulon Henry was shot in the hand at party early this
morning and will miss the regular season after having surgery.

His status for a bowl game is still unknown.
--
Mike Nolan


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 17:22:30 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:22:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten Coaches
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I heard from a PSU alum a few years back that Joe wanted to turn over the reigns to Jay Paterno but "it's never going to happen". I think at this point Penn State would rather forfeit a season than have another Paterno be a head coach.
?
Jim
?
?

From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: hakirsch at aol.com; neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 4:46 PM
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Since Fitz was promoted from the ranks of the assistants....

Does that meat Joe Pa's son is in line?

rsl

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? Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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================================================
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those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
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In Happy Valley they are looking for the "Next Fitz"
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Now that JoePa is gone, and also Tressel before him, Kirk Ferentz is now the Dean of Big
Ten Head Coaches.? More importantly, Fitz is now in the top tier in terms of longevity,
along with Dantonio, Zook (whose "expiration date" may not be far off) and Bile-lema.? 

I think we should henceforth refrain fom referring to our HC as "our JoePa" and instead
call him "our Fitz".? He is no longer a "New Kid on the Block", but is evolving into a
cagey veteran.? Schools whose HC's have less tenure than Pat F. are Purdue, Indiana.
Minnesota, Michigan, OSU, and, of course, Penn State.

I am leaving Bo Pellini out of this mix, since the Huskers just enlisted.? He may have
less tenure than Fitz anyway.

Paul Levinson
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 13 17:24:15 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:24:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten Coaches
In-Reply-To: <002f01cca24d$aba52490$02ef6db0$@com>
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> Since Fitz was promoted from the ranks of the assistants....
> 
> Does that meat Joe Pa's son is in line?

Personally I will be surprised if the next head coach 
comes from the ranks of the assistants at Penn State, and 
I don't know that any of them will be retained by
the new head coach, either.

What that will do to Penn State football over the next few
years remains to be seen.  Retaining all or most of the
assistants doesn't always guarantee any continuation of
success.
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov 13 17:59:39 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:59:39 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten Coaches
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Whike it may be unfair to Tom Bradley and the other assistants still on staff, they will be held to a "guilt by association" standard.  Given the breadth, magnitude and notoriety of this scandal (a word that seems inadequate), it seems a certainty that the Trustees will insist on cleaning house.  

I personally think they will make a run at Al Golden, who did wonders at Temple, and was an assistant under JoePa.  He was defrauded by the Miami adninistratiin, which conveniently "forgot" to tell him the NCAA was investigating and was about to lower the boom.  Of course, query whether he and Greg Schiano., of Rutgers, are fatally tainted by their respective time at PSU--i.e., what did they know and when did they know it?
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Sent: Nov 13, 2011 6:24 PM

> Since Fitz was promoted from the ranks of the assistants....
> 
> Does that meat Joe Pa's son is in line?

Personally I will be surprised if the next head coach 
comes from the ranks of the assistants at Penn State, and 
I don't know that any of them will be retained by
the new head coach, either.

What that will do to Penn State football over the next few
years remains to be seen.  Retaining all or most of the
assistants doesn't always guarantee any continuation of
success.
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 18:02:18 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:02:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries
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> The chance to bash Delaney was just the icing on the cake. :)



I really, really don't get the Delaney bashing. OK, the division names are controversial at best. They've grown on me a bit after seeing the Big Ten work the concept. Hell, even the new logo has grown on me a bit. But I can understand criticizing them.?

But Delaney pulled off what I think everyone agrees was a brilliant move in bringing Nebraska into the league, and they seemed to handle both the search and decision-making process, and the actual transition, as well as it could be handled. Then there's the Big Ten Network, which is an astounding success. I just can't see criticizing Delaney at this point--he's on a roll.?

With respect to the divisions, you seem to think that what they came up with is utterly idiotic.?

Frankly, I think the "competitive balance" approach was a much better idea, and nearly perfect in its execution. Far superior to any geographic split anyone could come up with. Once you take that competitive balance split as a given, it's hard to imagine them doing any better than they did on the protected rivalry games, both old and new.

Sure, some of the rivalries don't really have any foundation, and Wisconsin kind of got the short end of the stick. But there simply was no perfect solution with 8 games, 12 teams, two divisions, and existing history.?

> I realize UNL/PSU played a couple big games a quarter of a century ago, but 
> protected rivals based on that? Really? Especially when they're the two 
> teams furthest apart distance wise in the Big Ten? Seems weak.?


Again, if it seems weak to you, it's only because you aren't familiar with the history.?

Some rivalries do depend on geography. Those are built in part on the (somewhat odd) natural dislike of the neighboring fan bases.?

But other rivalries develop out of history on the field, from playing great games, games that matter in the big picture. Notre Dame-USC is an example.?

Penn State-Nebraska is another. A baby one in comparison, but an example nonetheless, and an obvious choice going forward.?

Was Nebraska-Oklahoma a great rivalry because the teams were separated by only one state? No. That may be why they played every year, but the great rivalry grew in part out of the fact that those games mattered year in and year out. Compare that to, say, Nebraska-Kansas. It was a tradition, because they played so many times, but a rivalry? No, at least not in the last 40 years or so.?

As for Northwestern, I'm not sure anyone considers us their rival, no matter how much we care about beating them. That may be starting to change though--the Cats have surely gotten into the heads of Iowa fans, if not the heads of the players. The "Chicago's Big Ten team" thing seems to have gotten the attention of the Illini (why, oh why, didn't we get them at the end of the year this year!). We've beaten Wisconsin regularly enough to get their attention. But I'm still not sure anyone considers us a big rivalry--yet.

Tom



From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 13 18:17:54 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:17:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries
In-Reply-To: <1321228938.3177.YahooMailNeo@web161013.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111114001754.E9D4764ABA@romaine.tssi.com>

> Was Nebraska-Oklahoma a great rivalry because the teams were separated by 
> only one state? No. That may be why they played every year, but the great 
> rivalry grew in part out of the fact that those games mattered year in and 
> year out. Compare that to, say, Nebraska-Kansas. It was a tradition, 
> because  they played so many times, but a rivalry? No, at least not in 
> the last 40 years or so.

Oklahoma did not consider Nebraska enough of a rival to fight for
a protected cross-division rivalry in the Big Twelve schedule.
(Something that Texas didn't want.)  Had other schools fought for
that and a few other things, the Big Twelve might still be intact.

With apologies to Adler & Ross: "Whatever Texas wants, Texas gets."
--
Mike Nolan


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Nov 13 18:22:23 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:22:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries
Message-ID: <39e4.7d61e2a.3bf1b93f@aol.com>

I guess I suffer from a hangover from the bad old days as do our potential  
rivals, one of the great things about football is that it has a historical  
perspective, not so good for us, I still do not think anybody takes us as a 
real  rival, we are not Stanford. Not yet.

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Nov 13 18:54:46 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:54:46 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Illinois LB out for season after being shot in hand
In-Reply-To: <20111113232114.AE74165005@romaine.tssi.com>
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That's a shame. Isn't this the kid that spent some time in prison and had appeared to turn his life around?

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 13, 2011, at 6:21 PM, "Mike Nolan" <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> Things for the Illini just keep getting worse.
> 
> Illinois LB Trulon Henry was shot in the hand at party early this
> morning and will miss the regular season after having surgery.
> 
> His status for a bowl game is still unknown.
> --
> Mike Nolan
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 19:03:03 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:03:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Nyet JayPa
Message-ID: <1321232583.10991.YahooMailNeo@web114707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

JayPa is violently disliked in the Pennsylvania football community, a fact well-known among PSU brass. I'd bet any amount of money he is not the next Penn State coach.

Brad Wilson

?
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 13 19:10:53 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:10:53 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries
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References: <39e4.7d61e2a.3bf1b93f@aol.com>
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After last night, I'm not sure Stanford is Stanford yet.

And as a former resident of Norman, I can assure you that the #1 rivalry game for Oklahoma
is Texas. The big rivalry for Oklahoma State is OU. 

If you want to go to a serious rivalry party, head down to Dallas during Texas OU weekend.
It's also the final day of the Texas State Fair - so you can party for a week if ya'll
want.

Nebraska was a pesky team that every so often knocked off OU, causing the Sooners to miss
the Big 12 Championship game.

rsl

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I guess I suffer from a hangover from the bad old days as do our potential  
rivals, one of the great things about football is that it has a historical  
perspective, not so good for us, I still do not think anybody takes us as a 
real  rival, we are not Stanford. Not yet.
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 13 19:20:05 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:20:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Illinois LB out for season after being shot in hand
In-Reply-To: <3E6E3EF4-042D-4C1E-8EA0-DDAFFE8F9E9D@covisint.com>
Message-ID: <20111114012006.1C83D65000@romaine.tssi.com>

> That's a shame. Isn't this the kid that spent some time in prison 
> and had appeared to turn his life around?

Yes, see http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/illlni/article_a7acf408-5bb8-55c1-a8b4-a81e8d24ea0b.html
--
Mike Nolan


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 13 20:52:09 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:52:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] More on rivalries
Message-ID: <1321239129.99772.YahooMailClassic@web161014.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

> Nebraska was a pesky team that every so often knocked off OU, causing the Sooners to miss the Big 12 Championship game.

The Nebraska-Oklahoma rivalry goes back long before the creation of the Big 12, as you know. It was actually pretty uninteresting for most of the Big 12 years, as Oklahoma was absolutely dreadful for a few years, then Nebraska was mediocre to bad for a while. There were a couple of moments in there though. 

But as Mike pointed out (and as I've said here before), screwing up the NU-OU rivalry was just one of the many sins of the Big 12, and part of the reason why that league is in the sorry state it's in now.

Tom


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Nov 13 21:49:51 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:49:51 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...
References: <1594603293-1321124162-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-975572150-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
 <1321124419.13122.YahooMailNeo@web121715.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC01597B@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I agree.
 
The Rice game commentators said that they asked Fitz about improved tackling.  His response is that, unlike other schools, NU includes focus on fundamentals in every practice even this late in the season.  Fitz expects that execution will improve through the season.  As a result, a strong "sprint to the finish" in November is becoming a trademark of Fitzgerald-coached teams.
 
So.........
 
This raises the larger "nature versus nurture" question that we've been debating most of this season.
 
The team is playing its best football of the season now.  Indiana was a coming out game for this team.  The UNL game was an opportunity for them to show how good they could be.  Rice game was a study of how a dominant team handles its business.
 
This CLEARLY is not the same team that lost to Army, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, or PSU.
 
Did the coaching staff find more talented players than the ones who had been playing? - No
 
Did the AD find more talented coaches than the ones who had been coaching earlier in the season? - No
 
What happened is that the players started believing in themselves, executing the game plan that the coaches put together, and playing as a team.  Individual play improved because team play improved.  
 
Did they get faster?  No, they were always fast enough to win.
 
Did they get stronger?  No, they were always strong enough to win.
 
Did the coaches get smarter? No, they didn't have to.  They were already smart enough.  They knew if they stayed the course, and continued to believe, the team would come around.
 
Did the players get smarter? Yes. They finally understood how to win as a team.
 
Now some may say that I have dipping into the purple koolaide again because this team isn't going to contend for a BT Championship, will be fortunate to finish with more wins than losses, and will end up with a worse record than last year.  So why get excited? 
 
I see a team that is finally winning football games with defense and a strong running game.  Isn't that what we all have been wishing for?  
 
I see good special teams play.  I see great open field tackling.  I see strong offensive line play.  I see a defensive that can stuff the run, get pressure on the QB, AND cover man-to-man.  When was the last time we saw that?  Yup, 1995-1996.
 
You think it is a coincidence that the last of the RW recruits graduate this year?
 
I think that we are just now starting to see what Pat Fitzgerald football really looks like.  
 
I don't know about you, but I'm excited.
 
Bartender - Another round of that purple stuff for everybody!
 
Jeff
 
 

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Sent: Sat 11/12/2011 2:00 PM
To: neonrye at aol.com; Mike Nolan; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...



The tackling these past two games has looked much MUCH MUCH better. They still allow the catches and are soft on coverage, but at least we don't have all those yards after the catch.

Maybe Fitz got in there personally to demonstrate on a few of the sloppy tackles? :)

Go Cats!
-SjT
 
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From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; sjtruog at yahoo.com
Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...

Our defense finally seems to have cohesion and players know their roles and assignments.  Better tackling.  Looks like a great coaching overhaul.  They are now expecting to make stops, not waiting for roof to cave in.  Soon they may even have a swagger.:-)
------Original Message------
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Sent: Nov 12, 2011 1:33 PM

> Nice defensive blitz, great 2-minute drive and nice finish to the half to
> maatch the Ebert effort throughout. And a friendly DOINK! at the end.

Yeah, he needed another bowl of Wheaties on that one.

But he's got a leg!

> PS - We need these next two games, because it appears that Sparty is smelling
> that strange mix of corn and auto fumes known as Indianapolis and taking
> care of business at Iowa, meaning our game would be their clincher.

But that would make beating them SOOO much sweeter!

Penn State is playing kind of flat, the Huskers just scored to make it 10-0
at the half. 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Nov 14 07:26:02 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:26:02 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...
References: <1594603293-1321124162-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-975572150-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC01597B@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <839346000E8F45A5AF63E913E2D90591@dennismachine>

> This CLEARLY is not the same team that lost to Army, Illinois, Iowa, 
> Michigan, or PSU.
>
> Did the coaching staff find more talented players than the ones who had 
> been playing? - No
>
> Did the AD find more talented coaches than the ones who had been coaching 
> earlier in the season? - No
>
> What happened is that the players started believing in themselves, 
> executing the game plan that the coaches put together, and playing as a 
> team.  Individual play improved because team play improved.
>
> Did they get faster?  No, they were always fast enough to win.
>
> Did they get stronger?  No, they were always strong enough to win.
>
> Did the coaches get smarter? No, they didn't have to.  They were already 
> smart enough.  They knew if they stayed the course, and continued to 
> believe, the team would come around.
>
> Did the players get smarter? Yes. They finally understood how to win as a 
> team.
>
> Now some may say that I have dipping into the purple koolaide again 
> because this team isn't going to contend for a BT Championship, will be 
> fortunate to finish with more wins than losses, and will end up with a 
> worse record than last year.  So why get excited?

Yes, the Kool-Aide is purple and glasses are powerfully rose-colored at the 
Beamsley house, although I hope you're right.  We are playing better run 
defense.  After eleven straight defensive abominations going back to last 
season (including this year's Indiana game in which we gave up 38 points), 
it's about time.  But don't get excited yet.  We had a great win over 
Nebraska and beat weak Indiana and Rice teams.  Three wins does not 
greatness make.  We still have no pass rush from the front four, and we 
again missed many a tackle-for-loss this Saturday past that will prove fatal 
against Michigan State.  And while our running game has at last stepped up 
to a level that can sustain drives, none of our running backs will ever be 
confused with Damien Anderson or Darnell Autry.  We have three potential pro 
prospects on offense plus Colter, which is why we can score, but I see no 
talent bright spots on the other side of the ball.  If you are right that 
there IS sufficient talent on D, then you have to conclude that the coaching 
has been sub-par for two-thirds of the season.  You can't have it both ways.


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 14 08:03:24 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:03:24 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Random Thoughts
Message-ID: <000901cca2d6$2d53a7e0$87faf7a0$@com>

1. I'm not a big Soccer fan, but Wildcat fans should be proud of the "other" football
team's accomplishment this year. They won the season, and they won the tournament Sunday.
Way to go Men's Soccer.

2. I guess dunking isn't going to be our forte on the court this year. Both Shurna and
Crawford missed dunks last night. Crawford was quoted as saying something about just
missing it, but he's been nursing a tender ankle.

In a typical Carmody post game comment, he looked at Shurna and asked if his ankle was
hurting also.

3. That Illinois LB was trying to help a couple of his teammates when he was shot
Saturday. Football players do that sort of thing - my son David was a bit of an "enforcer"
when he played, but then there were the two younger players who got into a different fight
and have now been suspended from playing with the team.

Sounds like Zooker is losing control down in Champaign. Don't they tell the ballplayers to
leave it on the field?

4. I really liked Jeff Beamsley's analysis of how the team matured this year. My only
addition is to point out that when you wind up recruiting mostly 3 star players, you
normally don't get a return until they are redshirt juniors or seniors. 

We've been lucky in that several of the younger recruits have stepped up and won 2 deep
jobs, but is that because they are that much better, or have the guys who red shirted not
developed as the coaches 2-3 years ago hoped.

Remember Barnett's "Fab 5" linemen? The guys who allowed GB to essentially cut some of the
RS Seniors up front? They were the best 5 linemen NU had recruited in years, and now
nobody talks about how good or bad that line was, the only thing I ever heard was
disappointment that they never clicked as a unit.

When Murphy reached down and grabbed Fitz as head coach, he really went for the recruiter
in the group. All you had to do was watch Fitz shaking hands with half the Rice team
Saturday and you realize that he knew all those kids from his days recruiting Houston. 

And that is really going to be the future of NU Football, and the Fitzgerald era. 

rsl



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I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 08:22:24 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 06:22:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC01597B@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <1321280544.31361.YahooMailClassic@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

> Did the coaching staff find more talented players than the
> ones who had been playing? - No

Actually, I think the answer to that is yes.

The prime example is Colin Ellis. He would have been the starter to begin the season, but was out with an injury. Now that he's playing, you can see why the coaches were so high on him. 

Also, Damian Proby has emerged as a starter, and is playing very well. 

Dinardo missed a couple of games, and that really hurts. Tyler Scott's absence for a couple of weeks was a huge blow. 

I believe Mafuli also missed several games? If so, there's another key ingredient that was missing early in the year. 

Right now, we're as healthy as we've been all year on D (knock on wood).

I think the other big factor is the development of the (very) young players. I'm sure Ellis has improved with experience, and it seems like Proby in particular has really improved. Then there's Ibrahim Campbell--he was looking lost out there at times early in the year, and seemed to specialize in giving up big plays. But he appears to be playing much, much better. 

So, better guys playing, young guys getting better. They've been doing some different stuff on the line with the nickel package too. Mostly, though, it seems like the whole D is really stepping up. Two big challenges ahead though.

Tom


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 08:50:12 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 06:50:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Guilt by association
Message-ID: <1321282212.99262.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Paul,
?
This is my own theory (certainly not proven yet) but I think the entire Penn State coaching staff will be legitimately tainted when as is said and done. I find it very hard to believe that Sandusky developed this behavior at age 55. I think, sadly, we will learn that he was abusing boys for a majority of his time on the Penn State payroll. Someone whose wife works with abuse victims told me last week that the average pedophile commits 107 crimes before being caught (not 107 victims, but 107 events).?
?
I would love to be wrong?here but I think we're going to learn that the entire coaching staff knew "Jerry had a thing for young boys" in the same way we know about the office alcoholic or gambler. What I am truly curious about is whether or not the understood rule was "if you see something, tell Coach Paterno". That might explain McQueary's pathetic behavior but it will be far more damaging to the university. 
?
Jim
?
?
===========================
????  While it may be unfair to Tom Bradley and the other assistants still on staff, they will be held to a "guilt by association" standard.  Given the breadth, magnitude and notoriety of this scandal (a word that seems inadequate), it seems a certainty that the Trustees will insist on cleaning house.? 

From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Mon Nov 14 08:53:55 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:53:55 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...
In-Reply-To: <1321280544.31361.YahooMailClassic@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC01597B@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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Message-ID: <CAAxRJu6XGvk5f7NJ292sbHviyhwwUZ=bDA6Ly-Vi9FD0Z_Otrg@mail.gmail.com>

The worst games for the run defense were Penn State and Indiana, and both
DE Tyler Scott & LB Bryce McNaul (two of NU's best tacklers in the front 7)
were out for those games.  Outside of those two games, the run defense has
been respectable (and, against Nebraska, quite good).

Fitz has certainly put a lot of young guys out there, as has been
mentioned.  And, they have improved as a unit.  I think it also took some
time for the coaches to find the right spot for some of the guys -
particularly the LBs (Nwabuisi is now at WLB after starting at MLB, and
they are rotating in and out guys more often) - but also on the DL (Browne
is being used as a pass rush specialist and they seem to have found the
right rotation to keep guys fresh and effective).

In terms of sacks, it was quite a telling stat earlier in the season (NU
has yielded more sacks than they have tallied in each of their 5 losses)
but against mobile QBs I wouldn't pay too much attention to the sack number
since it's all about keeping him in the pocket and getting him to the
ground (NU has faced a number of these guys this season) - that will be the
game plan this coming week against Minnesota's MarQueis Gray.

Jonathan

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On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > Did the coaching staff find more talented players than the
> > ones who had been playing? - No
>
> Actually, I think the answer to that is yes.
>
> The prime example is Colin Ellis. He would have been the starter to begin
> the season, but was out with an injury. Now that he's playing, you can see
> why the coaches were so high on him.
>
> Also, Damian Proby has emerged as a starter, and is playing very well.
>
> Dinardo missed a couple of games, and that really hurts. Tyler Scott's
> absence for a couple of weeks was a huge blow.
>
> I believe Mafuli also missed several games? If so, there's another key
> ingredient that was missing early in the year.
>
> Right now, we're as healthy as we've been all year on D (knock on wood).
>
> I think the other big factor is the development of the (very) young
> players. I'm sure Ellis has improved with experience, and it seems like
> Proby in particular has really improved. Then there's Ibrahim Campbell--he
> was looking lost out there at times early in the year, and seemed to
> specialize in giving up big plays. But he appears to be playing much, much
> better.
>
> So, better guys playing, young guys getting better. They've been doing
> some different stuff on the line with the nickel package too. Mostly,
> though, it seems like the whole D is really stepping up. Two big challenges
> ahead though.
>
> Tom
>
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 09:25:00 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 07:25:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 gridlock
Message-ID: <1321284300.41088.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
?
I don't know what this means for bowl prospects, but it looks like the Big Ten will have multiple 6-6 teams, as many as five.
?
Northwestern: Now 5-5, Beat Minnesota, Lose to MSU
Illinois: Now 6-4, Lose to Wisconsin, Lose to Minnesota (finish with 6 straight losses)
Ohio State: Now 6-4, Lose to Penn State, Lose to Michigan (finish with 3 straight losses)
Iowa: Now 6-4, Lose to Purdue, Lose to Nebraska (finish with 3 straight losses)
Purdue: Now 5-5, Beat Iowa, Lose to Indiana
?
The least likely to hit 6-6 should be Illinois, but they are in a bit of free fall now. It would certainly be great of NU can win out and stay off the conference floor.
?
Victory & Honor,
Jim

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 10:09:28 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 08:09:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 gridlock
In-Reply-To: <1321284300.41088.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1321284300.41088.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1321286968.99092.YahooMailNeo@web161008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I'm hoping we hit 7-5, but there's probably a big logjam regardless.?

Big question in my mind is: Will PSU accept a bowl bid?

Tom



From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 14 10:18:07 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:18:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 gridlock
In-Reply-To: <1321284300.41088.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111114161807.549B064CEC@romaine.tssi.com>

> Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
> 
> I don't know what this means for bowl prospects, but it looks like the Big 
> Ten will have multiple 6-6 teams, as many as five.

I have seen similar analysis of the SEC.  It is likely that it will also
have several schools at 6-6, and one bowl prognosticator has suggested
that they might not be able to fill all their bowl committtments.

Kentucky and Tennessee are both at 4-6 and they play each other after
Thanksgiving.  The loser is out of bowl contention.  Kentucky also
has Georgia next week, so that may be it for them.  Vanderbilt is 5-5 and 
must win one more game, like the Cats.  They finish the season against 
Tennessee and Wake Forest (one of three 5-5 schools in the ACC.)

5-5 Florida should become bowl eligible next week when they play Furman,
and then they have Florida State, so 6-6 seems likely for them.

5-5 Mississippi State still has Ole Miss on the schedule and Arkansas,
so 6-6 is probably the best they will do, too.  

In the Big Twelve, there are four teams who still need to get to 6:
Mizzou, Texas A&M, Iowa State and Texas Tech.

Mizzou and Texas Tech play each other next week, the winner is 
bowl elgible.  Mizzou also has Kansas to play, while Texas
Tech has Baylor left.

A&M still has Kansas on the schedule, too, plus the final game in the
Texas rivalry (for a while, at least.) Both A&M and Kansas have
been blowing leads like crazy, that could be an interesting game.
(More than a few Husker fans wanted Turner Gill instead of Bo Pelini,
that doesn't look like it would have been a good choice, so hiring
the former star alum isn't always the best move.)

Iowa State still has to play Okie State, Oklahoma and Kansas State.
They may have the toughest closing schedule of any team in the
country.  

The Cats need to take it one game at a time.  First secure the win 
against Minny to get to bowl eligibility, then they can focus on some
long overdue payback against Sparty and a move up the bowl charts.  
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 14 10:59:13 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:59:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 gridlock
In-Reply-To: <1321286968.99092.YahooMailNeo@web161008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111114165913.6FCFC6500A@romaine.tssi.com>

> I'm hoping we hit 7-5, but there's probably a big logjam regardless.
> 
> Big question in my mind is: Will PSU accept a bowl bid?

I think they will, if only to continue to show that Penn State Football 
didn't begin with and doesn't end with Joe Paterno.  Interesting post-game 
comments from Bo Pelini, he thought there were valid reasons to cancel 
the game, but kept quiet about it.  (Bo keeping quiet about ANYTHING
is quite a revelation!)

I don't know what the bowl committees will think of the type of 
publicity they'd get with Penn State in their bowl, though, but I doubt 
they can all refuse to take Penn State if the Nits don't opt out.  

A second issue is how many Penn State fans might make the bowl trip, and 
that one could go either way.  

It looks like Ohio State's day of reckoning with the NCAA won't be until
after the bowl bids are out, so I guess they're safe this year.  Next year,
who knows?  

And the NCAA is making rumblings about possible bylaws violations
at Penn State, so they could see sanctions down the road, too.  
--
Mike Nolan


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 11:01:49 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:01:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 gridlock
In-Reply-To: <1321286968.99092.YahooMailNeo@web161008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321284300.41088.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <1321286968.99092.YahooMailNeo@web161008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1321290109.80712.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I cannot remember the TV program (perhaps Meet the Press) but Tom Corbett, the governor of Pennsylvania, seemed to think that declining a bowl bid was worthy of consideration. That's a far cry from actually declining one, but he seemed open to the idea of staying home. 
?
It would be unfair to the players if they were denied a bowl (though other schools have done it before). However, the greater university has to make some tough decisions. Keeping the current staff together through bowl season and then cleaning house will keep them in the headlines and probably further damage them on signing day in February. 
?
Jim
?


________________________________
From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 6-6 gridlock

I'm hoping we hit 7-5, but there's probably a big logjam regardless.?

Big question in my mind is: Will PSU accept a bowl bid?

Tom

From herms at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 14 11:07:12 2011
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:07:12 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] My seats for Minnesota and Michigan State available
In-Reply-To: <1321290109.80712.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1321284300.41088.YahooMailNeo@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>,
 <1321286968.99092.YahooMailNeo@web161008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>,
 <1321290109.80712.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT104-W1192EAEC4F04BCADE10E33AEC00@phx.gbl>


Fellow NU fans,
I will be unable to make the Minnesota and Michigan State games, so my two seats are available. They're in section 130, right on the 40 yard line, in row 46.  Face value says $36, but I'll take any reasonable offer, if you're cheering for NU, as I assume everybody on this list is.  Let me know if you're interested!
Herman 		 	   		  

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov 14 11:56:08 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:56:08 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 gridlock
References: <20111114161807.549B064CEC@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC01597D@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Couldn't agree more about keeping the focus on Minny.
 
Sparty will show up soon enough.  
 
Win against Minny and we have an opportunity to run the table in November, which will certainly call attention to what this program has accomplished this year.
 
Lose focus against Minny and we are still a program trying figure out who we are.
 
Jeff

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Mike Nolan
Sent: Mon 11/14/2011 11:18 AM
To: jleonard518 at yahoo.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 6-6 gridlock



> Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
>
> I don't know what this means for bowl prospects, but it looks like the Big
> Ten will have multiple 6-6 teams, as many as five.

I have seen similar analysis of the SEC.  It is likely that it will also
have several schools at 6-6, and one bowl prognosticator has suggested
that they might not be able to fill all their bowl committtments.

Kentucky and Tennessee are both at 4-6 and they play each other after
Thanksgiving.  The loser is out of bowl contention.  Kentucky also
has Georgia next week, so that may be it for them.  Vanderbilt is 5-5 and
must win one more game, like the Cats.  They finish the season against
Tennessee and Wake Forest (one of three 5-5 schools in the ACC.)

5-5 Florida should become bowl eligible next week when they play Furman,
and then they have Florida State, so 6-6 seems likely for them.

5-5 Mississippi State still has Ole Miss on the schedule and Arkansas,
so 6-6 is probably the best they will do, too. 

In the Big Twelve, there are four teams who still need to get to 6:
Mizzou, Texas A&M, Iowa State and Texas Tech.

Mizzou and Texas Tech play each other next week, the winner is
bowl elgible.  Mizzou also has Kansas to play, while Texas
Tech has Baylor left.

A&M still has Kansas on the schedule, too, plus the final game in the
Texas rivalry (for a while, at least.) Both A&M and Kansas have
been blowing leads like crazy, that could be an interesting game.
(More than a few Husker fans wanted Turner Gill instead of Bo Pelini,
that doesn't look like it would have been a good choice, so hiring
the former star alum isn't always the best move.)

Iowa State still has to play Okie State, Oklahoma and Kansas State.
They may have the toughest closing schedule of any team in the
country. 

The Cats need to take it one game at a time.  First secure the win
against Minny to get to bowl eligibility, then they can focus on some
long overdue payback against Sparty and a move up the bowl charts. 
--
Mike Nolan

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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 14 12:39:31 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:39:31 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno's name coming off Big Ten trophy
Message-ID: <20111114183931.62D0C6502F@romaine.tssi.com>

The Big Ten office has announced that Joe Paterno's name is coming off
the conference championship trophy, which will just be the Stagg Trophy
now.
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov 14 12:51:07 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:51:07 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...
References: <1594603293-1321124162-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-975572150-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
 <1321124419.13122.YahooMailNeo@web121715.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC01597B@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <839346000E8F45A5AF63E913E2D90591@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC015984@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Dennis,
 
You seem to have missed the point.
 
There are at least THREE dimensions to success.
 
1. Individual ability
2. Coaching
3. Belief (ability to play as a team)
 
That is why a team like Illinois that often recruits more stars than NU are world beaters at the beginning of the season, but seem unable to overcome the sort of adversity that every team runs into during the season.  Their team identity seems to be made up of who they are as individual athletes.  They win early when everyone is feeling good about themselves, but as the season wears on and they wear down, the begin to question their own ability and the abilities of the guy playing next to them.  Their concept of team breaks down and they lose.
 
It is also why a team like NU can have the awful mid season that we've seen, and then rise up as a group and look unbeatable in November.  As others have posted, we are also fairly healthy and several underclassmen seem to have matured.  Without belief, however, this team could easily have packed it in (as Illinois appears to be doing) because so many of their goals seemed out of reach.  Instead they are energized and having the most fun they have had all season.
 
So my conclusion is that the D is playing better because they discovered that it is a TEAM game.  They each stopped worrying about doing the other guys job, and focused on doing their own job.  When they focused on their job, their fundamentals got better, they were in better position to make a play, and guess what - they started making plays.  They started having some success doing what the coaches had been telling them since spring ball, and they became a good team.
 
Why did it take until November?
 
I don't know.  Maybe it has something to do with getting the right mix of players on the field at the same time, as coach suggested.
 
What I do know is that I'm having almost as much fun watching them as they obviously are having playing the game.
 
Jeff

________________________________

From: Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng at comcast.net]
Sent: Mon 11/14/2011 8:26 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; SjT (Stephen J. Truog); neonrye at aol.com; Mike Nolan; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...



> This CLEARLY is not the same team that lost to Army, Illinois, Iowa,
> Michigan, or PSU.
>
> Did the coaching staff find more talented players than the ones who had
> been playing? - No
>
> Did the AD find more talented coaches than the ones who had been coaching
> earlier in the season? - No
>
> What happened is that the players started believing in themselves,
> executing the game plan that the coaches put together, and playing as a
> team.  Individual play improved because team play improved.
>
> Did they get faster?  No, they were always fast enough to win.
>
> Did they get stronger?  No, they were always strong enough to win.
>
> Did the coaches get smarter? No, they didn't have to.  They were already
> smart enough.  They knew if they stayed the course, and continued to
> believe, the team would come around.
>
> Did the players get smarter? Yes. They finally understood how to win as a
> team.
>
> Now some may say that I have dipping into the purple koolaide again
> because this team isn't going to contend for a BT Championship, will be
> fortunate to finish with more wins than losses, and will end up with a
> worse record than last year.  So why get excited?

Yes, the Kool-Aide is purple and glasses are powerfully rose-colored at the
Beamsley house, although I hope you're right.  We are playing better run
defense.  After eleven straight defensive abominations going back to last
season (including this year's Indiana game in which we gave up 38 points),
it's about time.  But don't get excited yet.  We had a great win over
Nebraska and beat weak Indiana and Rice teams.  Three wins does not
greatness make.  We still have no pass rush from the front four, and we
again missed many a tackle-for-loss this Saturday past that will prove fatal
against Michigan State.  And while our running game has at last stepped up
to a level that can sustain drives, none of our running backs will ever be
confused with Damien Anderson or Darnell Autry.  We have three potential pro
prospects on offense plus Colter, which is why we can score, but I see no
talent bright spots on the other side of the ball.  If you are right that
there IS sufficient talent on D, then you have to conclude that the coaching
has been sub-par for two-thirds of the season.  You can't have it both ways.




From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 14 13:30:36 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:30:36 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Penn State Bowling...
Message-ID: <006301cca303$e6541040$b2fc30c0$@com>

I can see Penn State having a new head guy in place in time for an end of December Bowl,
AND having that guy on the sideline, or at least up in the booth, for that bowl.

This Winter will be all about recruiting for Penn State. First they have to solidify their
present list of commits, guys who maybe were not sure that Joe Pa would be around anyway,
then they have to really go after the Juniors, presenting their case as a top flight
university that cleaned house when the truth came out.

Will it work?

Who knows - but I know there are kids out there who still dream of going to Penn State and
who still dream of getting that chance. 

You put the right coach in Happy Valley, and I would bet that the Nits will not miss a
beat, maybe even get stronger since they'll have some new ideas in Beaver Stadium on
Saturday.

rsl

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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 14 13:35:21 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:35:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Looks like the rest of the team woke up, too ...
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC015984@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <20111114193521.3FDA465044@romaine.tssi.com>

> Why did it take until November?
> 
> I don't know.  Maybe it has something to do with getting the right mix 
> of players on the field at the same time, as coach suggested.

The right mix of *healthy* players!

As the Indianapolis Colts are proving, it doesn't take much to go from
a perennial playoff team to a team that could lose every game this season.
--
Mike Nolan


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 14:21:07 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:21:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Guilt by association
Message-ID: <26fb.314e9e0b.3bf2d233@aol.com>

I think Jim is correct that they all knew, maybe not how bad but bad. In  
the 70's my ex-father-in-law was on the national board of the boy scouts when 
 they had a scandal which some members of NAMBA were found to be scout 
leaders. I  read the report and it is mind boggling how these guys justied their 
sexual  relationship with these children as not only acceptable but 
actually beneficial  to them. I am afraid some of that thinking was going on at PSU.
 
 
Paul,

This is my own theory (certainly not proven yet) but I  think the entire 
Penn State coaching staff will be legitimately tainted when as  is said and 
done. I find it very hard to believe that Sandusky developed this  behavior at 
age 55. I think, sadly, we will learn that he was abusing boys for a  
majority of his time on the Penn State payroll. Someone whose wife works with  
abuse victims told me last week that the average pedophile commits 107 crimes  
before being caught (not 107 victims, but 107 events). 

I  would love to be wrong here but I think we're going to learn that the  
entire coaching staff knew "Jerry had a thing for young boys" in the same way 
we  know about the office alcoholic or gambler. What I am truly curious 
about is  whether or not the understood rule was "if you see something, tell 
Coach  Paterno". That might explain McQueary's pathetic behavior but it will 
be far  more damaging to the university.  

Jim


From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 14:47:07 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:47:07 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 gridlock
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC01597D@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <20111114161807.549B064CEC@romaine.tssi.com>
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I agree focus has to be on the Gophers.  However, I just woke up to unhappy fact that we host Sparty on Saturday of Thanksgiving Weekend.  Thus, our home-field "advantage" will hardly be vaunted, given the paucity of students who may actually attend.  I fear that Ryan may be more green than purple that day--even if we hold serve against Minny and are chasing a bowl bid and Fitz's "November to Remember".  Jim Phiilips will need to summon all of his marketing skills to pack the house with 'Cat fanatics.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:56:08 
To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>; <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 6-6 gridlock

Couldn't agree more about keeping the focus on Minny.
 
Sparty will show up soon enough.  
 
Win against Minny and we have an opportunity to run the table in November, which will certainly call attention to what this program has accomplished this year.
 
Lose focus against Minny and we are still a program trying figure out who we are.
 
Jeff

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Mike Nolan
Sent: Mon 11/14/2011 11:18 AM
To: jleonard518 at yahoo.com
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 6-6 gridlock



> Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
>
> I don't know what this means for bowl prospects, but it looks like the Big
> Ten will have multiple 6-6 teams, as many as five.

I have seen similar analysis of the SEC.  It is likely that it will also
have several schools at 6-6, and one bowl prognosticator has suggested
that they might not be able to fill all their bowl committtments.

Kentucky and Tennessee are both at 4-6 and they play each other after
Thanksgiving.  The loser is out of bowl contention.  Kentucky also
has Georgia next week, so that may be it for them.  Vanderbilt is 5-5 and
must win one more game, like the Cats.  They finish the season against
Tennessee and Wake Forest (one of three 5-5 schools in the ACC.)

5-5 Florida should become bowl eligible next week when they play Furman,
and then they have Florida State, so 6-6 seems likely for them.

5-5 Mississippi State still has Ole Miss on the schedule and Arkansas,
so 6-6 is probably the best they will do, too. 

In the Big Twelve, there are four teams who still need to get to 6:
Mizzou, Texas A&M, Iowa State and Texas Tech.

Mizzou and Texas Tech play each other next week, the winner is
bowl elgible.  Mizzou also has Kansas to play, while Texas
Tech has Baylor left.

A&M still has Kansas on the schedule, too, plus the final game in the
Texas rivalry (for a while, at least.) Both A&M and Kansas have
been blowing leads like crazy, that could be an interesting game.
(More than a few Husker fans wanted Turner Gill instead of Bo Pelini,
that doesn't look like it would have been a good choice, so hiring
the former star alum isn't always the best move.)

Iowa State still has to play Okie State, Oklahoma and Kansas State.
They may have the toughest closing schedule of any team in the
country. 

The Cats need to take it one game at a time.  First secure the win
against Minny to get to bowl eligibility, then they can focus on some
long overdue payback against Sparty and a move up the bowl charts. 
--
Mike Nolan

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 14:49:34 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:49:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Guilt by association
In-Reply-To: <26fb.314e9e0b.3bf2d233@aol.com>
References: <26fb.314e9e0b.3bf2d233@aol.com>
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> they had a scandal which some members of NAMBA?

The?North American Model Boat Association?

Tom



From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 14 15:09:14 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:09:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Guilt by association
In-Reply-To: <1321303774.73326.YahooMailNeo@web161011.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111114210915.166A565041@romaine.tssi.com>

> > they had a scandal which some members of NAMBA=A0
> 
> The=A0North American Model Boat Association?

I think he meant NAMBLA.  Google it, I'd rather not put a link
to even the wiki page about it on this list.
--
Mike Nolan


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 15:36:16 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:36:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Guilt by association
In-Reply-To: <20111114210915.166A565041@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1321303774.73326.YahooMailNeo@web161011.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
 <20111114210915.166A565041@romaine.tssi.com>
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> I think he meant NAMBLA.??

Yes, I'm sure that's what he meant.?

But if you Google NAMBA instead, you do indeed get North American Model Boat Association.?

Kind of ironic that the mis-spelled acronym appeared in an email thread whose subject reads "Guilt by association".

Tom



From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 16:21:46 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:21:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Guilt by association
Message-ID: <58d43.10a8fe1b.3bf2ee79@aol.com>

yes I meant NAMBLA, I also think Joe knew but  was so convinced of his  own 
contribution to good works that he thought the cover up was less evil than  
what Sandusky was into since the revelation that his long time assistant 
was a  pedophile would damage or ruin his program.

From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 14 16:27:57 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:27:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Guilt by association
In-Reply-To: <58d43.10a8fe1b.3bf2ee79@aol.com>
References: <58d43.10a8fe1b.3bf2ee79@aol.com>
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Perhaps it's naive to think so, but Sandusky's actions were so off the charts 
that maybe Joe was in some sort of denial over them.




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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Guilt by association

yes I meant NAMBLA, I also think Joe knew but? was so convinced of his? own 
contribution to good works that he thought the cover up was less evil than? 
what Sandusky was into since the revelation that his long time assistant 
was a? pedophile would damage or ruin his program.
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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 17:59:48 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:59:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011 Bowl Projections
Message-ID: <8CE71409FD1843E-854-4FDA7@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com>


Now that we have bowl eligibility in our sights, I broke down and started researching online projections, as I did last year (when we broke through much earlier).

Here's a site that is picking us for the Gildan New Mexico Bowl in Albequerque on Dec. 17 vs. Wyoming:  http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/14/2560547/college-bowl-projections-predictions-2011-week-12  Of course, I never even heard of this bowl before--have any of you?

ESPN splits its predictions "ballot", with one vote putting us in NYC at the New Era Pinstripe Bowl vs. Rutgers (which might work for me, as I will be returning from vacation earlier that day), while the other places us in New Orleans at the R+L Carriers Bowl.  In the latter we are predicted to face Arkansas State, and if that ever came to pass, and if we didn't get off the "schneid" and get our first bowl win since 1949, then I guess we are fated to never get another one.   http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls

CBSSPORTS.com has this interesting match-up:  NU v. Cal in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl in San Francisco on December 31st.  That game would literally be a home game for the Golden Bears, as they are playing their "home" games this season at AT&T Park, since their stadium is undergoing renovations.  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions

I don't like this one, as it has us going nowhere:  http://collegebowlprojections.com/ncaa-college-football-bowl-predictions/

Isn't this fun?  

I just hope I haven't fatally jinxed Fitz and his "young men" by posting this information, but I find these bowl projections fascinating, especially when NU is arguably in the mix.  And after last night's J-E-T-S trainwreck vs. the Patriots, I need the 'Cats to cheer me up with hope and inspiration.:-)  

Paul Levinson


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Nov 14 18:05:47 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:05:47 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011 Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <8CE71409FD1843E-854-4FDA7@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE71409FD1843E-854-4FDA7@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375D1B852@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

A matchup with Wyoming would bring back memories of the one win during my four undergrad years (1-42-1), 27-22 over the Cowboys, Sept. 15, 1979 @ Dyche, when I was a sophomore.  It was the only W of Rick Venturi's 1-31-1 tenure.

Note that after the record-setting losing streak ended in 1982 with a win against NIU, the Cats went on to beat Minnesota and Michigan State.  How about a repeat of that the next two weeks? :)

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Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 7:00 PM
To: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011 Bowl Projections


Now that we have bowl eligibility in our sights, I broke down and started researching online projections, as I did last year (when we broke through much earlier).

Here's a site that is picking us for the Gildan New Mexico Bowl in Albequerque on Dec. 17 vs. Wyoming:  http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/14/2560547/college-bowl-projections-predictions-2011-week-12  Of course, I never even heard of this bowl before--have any of you?

ESPN splits its predictions "ballot", with one vote putting us in NYC at the New Era Pinstripe Bowl vs. Rutgers (which might work for me, as I will be returning from vacation earlier that day), while the other places us in New Orleans at the R+L Carriers Bowl.  In the latter we are predicted to face Arkansas State, and if that ever came to pass, and if we didn't get off the "schneid" and get our first bowl win since 1949, then I guess we are fated to never get another one.   http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls

CBSSPORTS.com has this interesting match-up:  NU v. Cal in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl in San Francisco on December 31st.  That game would literally be a home game for the Golden Bears, as they are playing their "home" games this season at AT&T Park, since their stadium is undergoing renovations.  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions

I don't like this one, as it has us going nowhere:  http://collegebowlprojections.com/ncaa-college-football-bowl-predictions/

Isn't this fun?

I just hope I haven't fatally jinxed Fitz and his "young men" by posting this information, but I find these bowl projections fascinating, especially when NU is arguably in the mix.  And after last night's J-E-T-S trainwreck vs. the Patriots, I need the 'Cats to cheer me up with hope and inspiration.:-)

Paul Levinson

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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 14 19:24:09 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:24:09 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011 Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <8CE71409FD1843E-854-4FDA7@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE71409FD1843E-854-4FDA7@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAN7senhy3S4C698wGKd1Rt3ZZ2-UfFhDZxqNWzz9g2YJqbU2Cw@mail.gmail.com>

Selfishly, I'm in favor of the bowl in SF. Also, we are due to play the
Golden Bears in 2013 and 2014. My wife is a Cal graduate. So is my younger
brother. Grrr-rr-rr-ah!

Go Cats!


On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:59 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Now that we have bowl eligibility in our sights, I broke down and started
> researching online projections, as I did last year (when we broke through
> much earlier).
>
> Here's a site that is picking us for the Gildan New Mexico Bowl in
> Albequerque on Dec. 17 vs. Wyoming:
> http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/14/2560547/college-bowl-projections-predictions-2011-week-12 Of course, I never even heard of this bowl before--have any of you?
>
> ESPN splits its predictions "ballot", with one vote putting us in NYC at
> the New Era Pinstripe Bowl vs. Rutgers (which might work for me, as I will
> be returning from vacation earlier that day), while the other places us in
> New Orleans at the R+L Carriers Bowl.  In the latter we are predicted to
> face Arkansas State, and if that ever came to pass, and if we didn't get
> off the "schneid" and get our first bowl win since 1949, then I guess we
> are fated to never get another one.
> http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls
>
> CBSSPORTS.com has this interesting match-up:  NU v. Cal in the Kraft Fight
> Hunger Bowl in San Francisco on December 31st.  That game would literally
> be a home game for the Golden Bears, as they are playing their "home" games
> this season at AT&T Park, since their stadium is undergoing renovations.
> http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions
>
> I don't like this one, as it has us going nowhere:
> http://collegebowlprojections.com/ncaa-college-football-bowl-predictions/
>
> Isn't this fun?
>
> I just hope I haven't fatally jinxed Fitz and his "young men" by posting
> this information, but I find these bowl projections fascinating, especially
> when NU is arguably in the mix.  And after last night's J-E-T-S trainwreck
> vs. the Patriots, I need the 'Cats to cheer me up with hope and
> inspiration.:-)
>
> Paul Levinson
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 20:21:11 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:21:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] b ball
Message-ID: <62c2b.7de4f0cd.3bf32697@aol.com>

SI has us ranked #51 and going to the dance for the first time. I hope we  
stay healthy and they are correct.

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 20:49:22 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:49:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011 Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <CAN7senhy3S4C698wGKd1Rt3ZZ2-UfFhDZxqNWzz9g2YJqbU2Cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CE71409FD1843E-854-4FDA7@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com>
 <CAN7senhy3S4C698wGKd1Rt3ZZ2-UfFhDZxqNWzz9g2YJqbU2Cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1321325362.84803.YahooMailNeo@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I'll take the Thompson's Water Seal Bowl in Branson, MO if that's what it takes. My concern, assuming that we win this week, is that a 6-6 NU team sits at home while a 6-6 Purdon't team gets the last bowl slot because a stupid tOSU kicker missing an extra point.?

Jim


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To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2011 Bowl Projections

Selfishly, I'm in favor of the bowl in SF. Also, we are due to play the
Golden Bears in 2013 and 2014. My wife is a Cal graduate. So is my younger
brother. Grrr-rr-rr-ah!

Go Cats!


On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 3:59 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Now that we have bowl eligibility in our sights, I broke down and started
> researching online projections, as I did last year (when we broke through
> much earlier).
>
> Here's a site that is picking us for the Gildan New Mexico Bowl in
> Albequerque on Dec. 17 vs. Wyoming:
> http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/14/2560547/college-bowl-projections-predictions-2011-week-12 Of course, I never even heard of this bowl before--have any of you?
>
> ESPN splits its predictions "ballot", with one vote putting us in NYC at
> the New Era Pinstripe Bowl vs. Rutgers (which might work for me, as I will
> be returning from vacation earlier that day), while the other places us in
> New Orleans at the R+L Carriers Bowl.? In the latter we are predicted to
> face Arkansas State, and if that ever came to pass, and if we didn't get
> off the "schneid" and get our first bowl win since 1949, then I guess we
> are fated to never get another one.
> http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls
>
> CBSSPORTS.com has this interesting match-up:? NU v. Cal in the Kraft Fight
> Hunger Bowl in San Francisco on December 31st.? That game would literally
> be a home game for the Golden Bears, as they are playing their "home" games
> this season at AT&T Park, since their stadium is undergoing renovations.
> http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions
>
> I don't like this one, as it has us going nowhere:
> http://collegebowlprojections.com/ncaa-college-football-bowl-predictions/
>
> Isn't this fun?
>
> I just hope I haven't fatally jinxed Fitz and his "young men" by posting
> this information, but I find these bowl projections fascinating, especially
> when NU is arguably in the mix.? And after last night's J-E-T-S trainwreck
> vs. the Patriots, I need the 'Cats to cheer me up with hope and
> inspiration.:-)
>
> Paul Levinson
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 14 21:14:13 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:14:13 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Guilt by association
In-Reply-To: <1321309677.50688.YahooMailRC@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <58d43.10a8fe1b.3bf2ee79@aol.com>
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For the record, Sandusky today repeated his denial that anything sexual happened.

He admitted that he showered nude with the kids and maybe hugged them....

If it wasn't for McQueary's testimony and the earlier report from the Janitors, it would
still be a case of "he says, she says" and very difficult to prove.

Penn State will  want it to go away, but this one is going to be around for a long, long
time.

rsl


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those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
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I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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-----Original Message-----
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Schoeman
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 5:28 PM
To: MHRJGScott at aol.com; tkmaycock at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Guilt by association

Perhaps it's naive to think so, but Sandusky's actions were so off the charts 
that maybe Joe was in some sort of denial over them.




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To: tkmaycock at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Mon, November 14, 2011 4:21:46 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Guilt by association

yes I meant NAMBLA, I also think Joe knew but? was so convinced of his? own 
contribution to good works that he thought the cover up was less evil than? 
what Sandusky was into since the revelation that his long time assistant 
was a? pedophile would damage or ruin his program.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 14 21:28:17 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:28:17 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Sandusky's Denial today
Message-ID: <000001cca346$9eb5bb10$dc213130$@com>

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-admits-t
o-showering-with-boys/1

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 21:32:01 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:32:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Sandusky's Denial today
In-Reply-To: <000001cca346$9eb5bb10$dc213130$@com>
References: <000001cca346$9eb5bb10$dc213130$@com>
Message-ID: <1321327921.12398.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

and I admit to not believing him.

Jim



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To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:28 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Sandusky's Denial today

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/11/jerry-sandusky-admits-t
o-showering-with-boys/1

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
? Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 21:48:42 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:48:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Sandusky's Denial today
Message-ID: <186b2.b21d489.3bf33b1a@aol.com>

 
Alexander Pope
An excuse is worse than a lie, for an excuse is a  lie, guarded.

From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 22:38:10 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:38:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Sandusky's Interview
Message-ID: <8CE71678329BB18-180C-57850@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com>


I saw most of the telephonic interview on Brian Williams' Newsmagazine show tonight.  Bob Costas conducted the interview, and he was tough and focused as a questioner.  As a former prosecutor who now does a limited amount of criminal defense work, I am somewhat amazed that Sandusky's attorney not only allowed him to be interviewed, but sat next to Costas on-camera as his client was questioned.   The Pennsylvania Attorney General must have been very happy to have Sandusky admit in a recorded statement to the showers and the touching---assuming that Sandusky might want to take the stand at trial, the more the prosecutor knows about what he is going to say, the easier it is to prepare for cross-examination.  The defense seems to be that he didn't engage in the sexual acts alleged, and the attorney said they have found the boy (now a young man) who was with Sandusky in the showers when McQueary walked in, and hinted that he will support Sandusky's version.  We shall see--my money is on the Commonwealth (prosecution).

This story is just growing and growing and growing.......or to put it more bluntly, metastasizing.

I think it very possible that PSU will decline a bowl bid, although if they make it fhrough to the BT Championship Game, I would expect them to play.  One reason was alluded to in one of today's posts.  If they don't go to a bowl, then the remaining staff will be free to look for new jobs--which will be a difficult task in any circumstance.  However, if they do go bowling, then those assistants will have to remain focused on trhe bowl game, not their futures.  Plus, a bowl is viewed as a celebration and a reward--two concepts that seem out of place at this juncture.

Paul Levinson

From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 22:43:27 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:43:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011 Bowl Projections
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Teddy Greenstein and I must have been on the same wavelength today, as he has an article (online tomorrow; in tomorrow's print edition of the Trib) speculating on the 'Cats bowl possibilities, as well as on Big Ten bowl questions in general:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1115-big-ten-bowls--20111115,0,5875145.story



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Subject: [NU Sports] 2011 Bowl Projections



ow that we have bowl eligibility in our sights, I broke down and started 
esearching online projections, as I did last year (when we broke through much 
arlier).
Here's a site that is picking us for the Gildan New Mexico Bowl in Albequerque 
n Dec. 17 vs. Wyoming:  http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/14/2560547/college-bowl-projections-predictions-2011-week-12  
f course, I never even heard of this bowl before--have any of you?
ESPN splits its predictions "ballot", with one vote putting us in NYC at the New 
ra Pinstripe Bowl vs. Rutgers (which might work for me, as I will be returning 
rom vacation earlier that day), while the other places us in New Orleans at the 
+L Carriers Bowl.  In the latter we are predicted to face Arkansas State, and 
f that ever came to pass, and if we didn't get off the "schneid" and get our 
irst bowl win since 1949, then I guess we are fated to never get another one.   
ttp://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls
CBSSPORTS.com has this interesting match-up:  NU v. Cal in the Kraft Fight 
unger Bowl in San Francisco on December 31st.  That game would literally be a 
ome game for the Golden Bears, as they are playing their "home" games this 
eason at AT&T Park, since their stadium is undergoing renovations.  
ttp://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions
I don't like this one, as it has us going nowhere:  http://collegebowlprojections.com/ncaa-college-football-bowl-predictions/
Isn't this fun?  
I just hope I haven't fatally jinxed Fitz and his "young men" by posting this 
nformation, but I find these bowl projections fascinating, especially when NU 
s arguably in the mix.  And after last night's J-E-T-S trainwreck vs. the 
atriots, I need the 'Cats to cheer me up with hope and inspiration.:-)  
Paul Levinson
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 14 22:54:46 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:54:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Sandusky's Interview
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Two things struck me about the interview tonight.

The first was Sandusky's long pauses before he answered questions that should 
have been simple to an innocent man:? "are you a pedophile?" and "are you 
sexually attracted to young boys"?? To me, that spoke volumes.

The second was the expression on Costas' face when he spoke to Brian Williams 
after his phone conversation with Sandusky.? It looked like a combination of 
anger and disgust.

Unless they wait a generation for the trial, I don't know how they will find an 
impartial jury in Pennsylvania.





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Sent: Mon, November 14, 2011 10:38:10 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Sandusky's Interview


I saw most of the telephonic interview on Brian Williams' Newsmagazine show 
tonight.? Bob Costas conducted the interview, and he was tough and focused as a 
questioner.? As a former prosecutor who now does a limited amount of criminal 
defense work, I am somewhat amazed that Sandusky's attorney not only allowed him 
to be interviewed, but sat next to Costas on-camera as his client was 
questioned.? The Pennsylvania Attorney General must have been very happy to have 
Sandusky admit in a recorded statement to the showers and the 
touching---assuming that Sandusky might want to take the stand at trial, the 
more the prosecutor knows about what he is going to say, the easier it is to 
prepare for cross-examination.? The defense seems to be that he didn't engage in 
the sexual acts alleged, and the attorney said they have found the boy (now a 
young man) who was with Sandusky in the showers when McQueary walked in, and 
hinted that he will support Sandusky's version.? We shall see--my money
? is on the Commonwealth (prosecution).

This story is just growing and growing and growing.......or to put it more 
bluntly, metastasizing.

I think it very possible that PSU will decline a bowl bid, although if they make 
it fhrough to the BT Championship Game, I would expect them to play.? One reason 
was alluded to in one of today's posts.? If they don't go to a bowl, then the 
remaining staff will be free to look for new jobs--which will be a difficult 
task in any circumstance.? However, if they do go bowling, then those assistants 
will have to remain focused on trhe bowl game, not their futures.? Plus, a bowl 
is viewed as a celebration and a reward--two concepts that seem out of place at 
this juncture.

Paul Levinson
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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Nov 14 23:01:42 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:01:42 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Sandusky's Interview
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Agree with you on all counts Evans.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:54:46 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sandusky's Interview

Two things struck me about the interview tonight.

The first was Sandusky's long pauses before he answered questions that should 
have been simple to an innocent man:? "are you a pedophile?" and "are you 
sexually attracted to young boys"?? To me, that spoke volumes.

The second was the expression on Costas' face when he spoke to Brian Williams 
after his phone conversation with Sandusky.? It looked like a combination of 
anger and disgust.

Unless they wait a generation for the trial, I don't know how they will find an 
impartial jury in Pennsylvania.





________________________________
From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Mon, November 14, 2011 10:38:10 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Sandusky's Interview


I saw most of the telephonic interview on Brian Williams' Newsmagazine show 
tonight.? Bob Costas conducted the interview, and he was tough and focused as a 
questioner.? As a former prosecutor who now does a limited amount of criminal 
defense work, I am somewhat amazed that Sandusky's attorney not only allowed him 
to be interviewed, but sat next to Costas on-camera as his client was 
questioned.? The Pennsylvania Attorney General must have been very happy to have 
Sandusky admit in a recorded statement to the showers and the 
touching---assuming that Sandusky might want to take the stand at trial, the 
more the prosecutor knows about what he is going to say, the easier it is to 
prepare for cross-examination.? The defense seems to be that he didn't engage in 
the sexual acts alleged, and the attorney said they have found the boy (now a 
young man) who was with Sandusky in the showers when McQueary walked in, and 
hinted that he will support Sandusky's version.? We shall see--my money
? is on the Commonwealth (prosecution).

This story is just growing and growing and growing.......or to put it more 
bluntly, metastasizing.

I think it very possible that PSU will decline a bowl bid, although if they make 
it fhrough to the BT Championship Game, I would expect them to play.? One reason 
was alluded to in one of today's posts.? If they don't go to a bowl, then the 
remaining staff will be free to look for new jobs--which will be a difficult 
task in any circumstance.? However, if they do go bowling, then those assistants 
will have to remain focused on trhe bowl game, not their futures.? Plus, a bowl 
is viewed as a celebration and a reward--two concepts that seem out of place at 
this juncture.

Paul Levinson
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 23:02:57 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:02:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011 Bowl Projections
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Interesting article - I've also seen us projected for Boise and Albuquerque ...

Right now, we just need to win and let everything fall where it does. Good to see some people are starting to see the attractiveness of the Big Ten for an at-large bid over Okie State or Stanford ... it does appear that Boise will still get an automatic bid if they win out, though, as they didn't even fall out of the top 10 ... while the computers are still dragging the Big Ten teams waaaaay down.

Beat Minnesota!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



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From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2011 Bowl Projections

Teddy Greenstein and I must have been on the same wavelength today, as he has an article (online tomorrow; in tomorrow's print edition of the Trib) speculating on the 'Cats bowl possibilities, as well as on Big Ten bowl questions in general:? http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1115-big-ten-bowls--20111115,0,5875145.story



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Sent: Mon, Nov 14, 2011 7:00 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011 Bowl Projections



ow that we have bowl eligibility in our sights, I broke down and started 
esearching online projections, as I did last year (when we broke through much 
arlier).
Here's a site that is picking us for the Gildan New Mexico Bowl in Albequerque 
n Dec. 17 vs. Wyoming:? http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/14/2560547/college-bowl-projections-predictions-2011-week-12? 
f course, I never even heard of this bowl before--have any of you?
ESPN splits its predictions "ballot", with one vote putting us in NYC at the New 
ra Pinstripe Bowl vs. Rutgers (which might work for me, as I will be returning 
rom vacation earlier that day), while the other places us in New Orleans at the 
+L Carriers Bowl.? In the latter we are predicted to face Arkansas State, and 
f that ever came to pass, and if we didn't get off the "schneid" and get our 
irst bowl win since 1949, then I guess we are fated to never get another one.? 
ttp://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls
CBSSPORTS.com has this interesting match-up:? NU v. Cal in the Kraft Fight 
unger Bowl in San Francisco on December 31st.? That game would literally be a 
ome game for the Golden Bears, as they are playing their "home" games this 
eason at AT&T Park, since their stadium is undergoing renovations.? 
ttp://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions
I don't like this one, as it has us going nowhere:? http://collegebowlprojections.com/ncaa-college-football-bowl-predictions/
Isn't this fun?? 
I just hope I haven't fatally jinxed Fitz and his "young men" by posting this 
nformation, but I find these bowl projections fascinating, especially when NU 
s arguably in the mix.? And after last night's J-E-T-S trainwreck vs. the 
atriots, I need the 'Cats to cheer me up with hope and inspiration.:-)? 
Paul Levinson
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 14 23:24:01 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:24:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011 Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <1321333377.22136.YahooMailNeo@web121719.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111115052401.99D1D6503F@romaine.tssi.com>

> Right now, we just need to win and let everything fall where it does. Good 
> to see some people are starting to see the attractiveness of the Big Ten for
> an at-large bid over Okie State or Stanford ... 

Unless they fall in the aptly named Bedlam game, I don't see Okie State 
getting beat this year, not even by LSU in the NC game.  
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 14 23:28:14 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:28:14 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Sandusky's Interview
In-Reply-To: <8CE71678329BB18-180C-57850@Webmail-d119.sysops.aol.com>
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That was one of the strangest interviews I've seen in years, I have to wonder
what on earth Sandusky (and his attorney) was thinking.   

Finding 12 unbiased jurors in Pennsylvania is going to be a challenge,
but I'm reminded of the remark about the wisdom of placing your fate in 
the hands of 12 people too stupid to get out of jury duty.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 14 23:32:29 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:32:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 12
Message-ID: <1321335149.46617.YahooMailNeo@web121716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Well, I may not have been right about much this year. But I did know that Stanford was a pretender ... I know Musburger was slobbering all over Luck and Herbstriet had been hyping the Treez as a title contender all year, but thank goodness the Quacks came in there and smacked them around.

The only bad side? Now we'll either have a rematch of LSU/Bama (zzzzzzz) or LSU/Oregon (ouch! poor Duck roadkill!) in the title game unless those tricky computers finangle it so that a team who lost at home to a mediocre Texas Tech team vaults over Bama and Oregon to #2 after they beat the Stanford-overrated-like Cowpokes from Okie State.

We need a playoff. Wilbon was right today when he said he's just "done" with college football as he bemoaned the likelihood of Bama/LSU round ZZzzzzzzzzz.

Only other option? Root for Petrino's Piggies (blech) to beat LSU and create total B-C-MESS chaos! Maybe that would even make Oregon and the Pac 12 so mad that they'd say "chuck it" and join the Big Ten in dropping out of the Big XII Computer Sham and going back to a REAL Rose Bowl. One can dream! But Petrino's a weasel. Ugh. We need a playoff.

Back to the Big Ten, where there WILL be a "playoff" and a mad scramble regular season will come down to a title game. Looks like a lot of people in Cornland are gonna be Wildcat fans that final weekend of the year. But we gotta worry about beating Minnesota to become bowl eligible first. Ten of 12 teams in bowls? Take that depth, SEC! And since the SEC is taking their customary two weeks off after a challenging game to prepare for their other tough game of the year, all the big games this week are in Big Ten Country with another full slate of six league games (love it!) including biggies in the Big House and Shoe and what looked like a biggie in Champaign a month ago, before the Bears and Illini apparently swapped uniforms and the Zookers started sucking (while da Bears are surging!).

Oh well, still riding high over the Saints beating the F***ons. Now THAT is how an overtime game between southern rivals is SUPPOSED to be! WOOHOODAT!

Standings out soon, but for now, the picks lineup ... picks due SATURDAY by kickoff!

PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 12
#########################
Name:?

BIG TEN
=======GAME 1: Wisconsin @ IllinoisWINNER:?

GAME 2: Indiana @ Michigan StateWINNER:?

GAME 3: Iowa @ PurdueWINNER:?

GAME 4: Nebraska @ MichiganWINNER:?

GAME 5: Penn State @ Ohio StateWINNER:?

NATIONAL========GAME 6: Louisiana State @ Mississippi
WINNER:?
GAME 7: Southern Cal @ Oregon
WINNER:?

GAME 8: Oklahoma @ BaylorWINNER:?

GAME 9: California @ Stanford
WINNER:?
GAME 10: Kansas State @ Texas
WINNER:?
MY PICKS========GAME 1: WISCONSIN ... The Zookers quit playing a month ago, while the Smug Smirk now controls his own destinyGAME 2: MICHIGAN STATE ... Sparty is smelling that mix of corn and auto fumes known as Indy and won't blow it at home
GAME 3: PURDUE ... Flip a coin here, as both bumblebee teams need this one for their bowl hopes
GAME 4: NEBRASKA ... A great offense vs. defense game and a possible inside track to a second B(C)S bid on the line for this one
GAME 5: PENN STATE ... Two stingy defenses (but if it winds up 9-6, no game of the century talk!), but PSU started turning the corner last week in the fourth
GAME 6: LSU ... Not much of a contest here
GAME 7: OREGON ... With everyone else tanking in the south, Fox may just want to replay this in the place of the Pac 12 "championship" game in a few weeks
GAME 8: OKLAHOMA ... Who decided to rank Baylor again? What blackmail evidence does the Big XII have on the pollsters and computers?
GAME 9: STANFORD ... I'm with Phil Simms on Andrew Luck, but fortunately for Stanford, Cal isn't one of the two decent teams the Treez face this year
GAME 10: TEXAS ... K-State has spunk, but is a tad overrated and the Horns suck up some semblance of pride at home (they were in the title game 2 years ago?!?!)
Picks due by Saturday kickoff!
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Nov 15 04:53:31 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:53:31 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] b ball
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Also, ESPN's Joe Lunardi and CBS's Jerry Palm both have NU in the tourney
(11 & 10 seeds, respectively).

--
Jonathan Hodges
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On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 9:21 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:

> SI has us ranked #51 and going to the dance for the first time. I hope we
> stay healthy and they are correct.
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 15 08:56:43 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 06:56:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NYT Column on Penn State
In-Reply-To: <20111115052814.7057465053@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111115052814.7057465053@romaine.tssi.com>
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These recommendations look pretty close to those made by Alan last week...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/opinion/nocera-penn-states-long-road-back.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha212

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 15 09:43:20 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 07:43:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NYT Column on Penn State
In-Reply-To: <1321369003.63172.YahooMailRC@web83910.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <20111115052814.7057465053@romaine.tssi.com>
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I have been wondering lately if a bowl committee would want Penn State this year. More specifically, would the corporate sponsors want to put their logo next to Penn State's on TV and offer the shallow utterance of "we're proud and honored to have Penn State here today." 
?
Like Mike pointed out, the bowls themselves are contractually tied to the Big Ten. The sponsors can drop off if they choose to do so.
?
Assuming that they clean house of all coaches (and I mean all) then I don't a problem with Penn State playing the 2012 season. 
?
Jim


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Subject: [NU Sports] NYT Column on Penn State

These recommendations look pretty close to those made by Alan last week...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/opinion/nocera-penn-states-long-road-back.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha212
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Nov 15 10:16:33 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:16:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NYT Column on Penn State
Message-ID: <1e6.3ab43b1.3bf3ea61@aol.com>

I asked one of the influential leaders of Citrus sports about PSU for the  
Capital One or Champs and he was like "not with a ten foot  pole"

From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Nov 15 10:36:00 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:36:00 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NYT Column on Penn State
References: <20111115052814.7057465053@romaine.tssi.com>
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<First, it should announce that it will not participate in a postseason bowl 
game this year

Why?  The football team and its fans bear neither legal nor moral 
responsibility in this matter.

< Second, it must discipline the rioters.

Agreed in spades, and "discipline" should mean permanent expulsion as well 
as legal ramifications.  But good luck identifying more than a handful of 
them.

<Third, it must promise not to use its status as a state institution to 
shield itself from the inevitable civil lawsuits

Pragmatically, there is nothing Penn State can do to prevent law suits, and 
it would be an unmitigated PR disaster for the university if they tried.

<Fourth, Penn State should establish a compensation fund.

No problem there.

< Finally, Penn State should announce that it will cancel the 2012 football 
season.

Stupid.  See "first" above for part of the reason why.  Joe Paterno and Mike 
McQueary's actions in this matter followed exactly the letter of 
Pennsylvania law, which is why neither is being prosecuted.  (Whether you 
believe that law is adequate is not relevant ex post facto.)   Legal 
culpability falls on the athletic director and higher-ups whom state law 
clearly defines as those required to report the incident to the authorities. 
If you cancel the football season, then you logically must cancel every 
other intercollegiate sport in which Penn State participates because the 
guilty parties oversaw all sports.  Also given that football pays most of 
the bills for every other sport except basketball - and then possibly just 
the men's team - you may have to do that anyway if you follow Joe Nocera's 
pound-of-flesh advice.


From r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 15 10:38:46 2011
From: r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net (Roger Beckwith)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:38:46 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] NYT Column on Penn State
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I think PSU will not go to a bowl and the path will be the bowls themselves putting pressure on the conference to in turn pressure PSU to decline an invite. This gets around the issue of conference tie-ins and some bowl eventually being required to invite them because of the number of wins. 

Roger

On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:16 AM, MHRJGScott at aol.com wrote:

> I asked one of the influential leaders of Citrus sports about PSU for the  
> Capital One or Champs and he was like "not with a ten foot  pole"
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Nov 15 11:56:03 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:56:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NYT Column on Penn State
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In the Big Ten teleconference, Tom Bradley just said PSU will accept a bowl
invite and there will be a 2012 season.

As others have mentioned, though, I'm not sure about the desirability of
PSU for a bowl game following this season.  They may very well shift down
the Big Ten bowl ladder if they don't win out and make it to Pasadena
(which is unlikely), but not sure how far (since the lower tier bowls want
people in the seats, and PSU will likely provide that to some degree even
with what has happened).

Jonathan

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On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

> <First, it should announce that it will not participate in a postseason
> bowl game this year
>
> Why?  The football team and its fans bear neither legal nor moral
> responsibility in this matter.
>
> < Second, it must discipline the rioters.
>
> Agreed in spades, and "discipline" should mean permanent expulsion as well
> as legal ramifications.  But good luck identifying more than a handful of
> them.
>
> <Third, it must promise not to use its status as a state institution to
> shield itself from the inevitable civil lawsuits
>
> Pragmatically, there is nothing Penn State can do to prevent law suits,
> and it would be an unmitigated PR disaster for the university if they tried.
>
> <Fourth, Penn State should establish a compensation fund.
>
> No problem there.
>
> < Finally, Penn State should announce that it will cancel the 2012
> football season.
>
> Stupid.  See "first" above for part of the reason why.  Joe Paterno and
> Mike McQueary's actions in this matter followed exactly the letter of
> Pennsylvania law, which is why neither is being prosecuted.  (Whether you
> believe that law is adequate is not relevant ex post facto.)   Legal
> culpability falls on the athletic director and higher-ups whom state law
> clearly defines as those required to report the incident to the
> authorities. If you cancel the football season, then you logically must
> cancel every other intercollegiate sport in which Penn State participates
> because the guilty parties oversaw all sports.  Also given that football
> pays most of the bills for every other sport except basketball - and then
> possibly just the men's team - you may have to do that anyway if you follow
> Joe Nocera's pound-of-flesh advice.
>
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov 15 12:01:48 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:01:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NYT Column on Penn State
In-Reply-To: <B231DE190E1B404293FAB18C2F9E7268@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <20111115180148.DAFB5644F1@romaine.tssi.com>

> <Third, it must promise not to use its status as a state institution to 
> shield itself from the inevitable civil lawsuits
> 
> Pragmatically, there is nothing Penn State can do to prevent law suits, and 
> it would be an unmitigated PR disaster for the university if they tried.

The taxpayers of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania might have a different
opinion on that issue, because any damages assessed to Penn State will 
eventually, one way or another, be paid out of the state treasury.

It's fine for the New York Times, among others, to propose grandiose
steps, it's a lot different for those whose lives would be impacted
by those steps.  

I don't recall the New York Times being willing to cease publication
for a few months when it had a writer who was fired for falsifying stories.
And the NY TImes has hid behind the Sullivan decision MANY MANY times.
--
Mike Nolan
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Nov 15 12:04:10 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:04:10 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NYT Column on Penn State
In-Reply-To: <20111115180148.DAFB5644F1@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <B231DE190E1B404293FAB18C2F9E7268@dennismachine>
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Another interesting Times column on the PSU scandal:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/opinion/brooks-lets-all-feel-superior.html?src=me&ref=general



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> <Third, it must promise not to use its status as a state institution 
> to shield itself from the inevitable civil lawsuits
>
> Pragmatically, there is nothing Penn State can do to prevent law 
> suits, and it would be an unmitigated PR disaster for the university if they tried.

The taxpayers of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania might have a different opinion on that issue, because any damages assessed to Penn State will eventually, one way or another, be paid out of the state treasury.

It's fine for the New York Times, among others, to propose grandiose steps, it's a lot different for those whose lives would be impacted by those steps.

I don't recall the New York Times being willing to cease publication for a few months when it had a writer who was fired for falsifying stories.
And the NY TImes has hid behind the Sullivan decision MANY MANY times.
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov 15 12:07:44 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:07:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NYT Column on Penn State
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu74uKZKDtdyNSkn0GqGZ4ZD7qW7cDuA5LH7b24ZJfU9Cw@mail.gmail.com>
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> In the Big Ten teleconference, Tom Bradley just said PSU will accept a bowl
> invite and there will be a 2012 season.

The former may have been a trial balloon.  
 
> As others have mentioned, though, I'm not sure about the desirability of
> PSU for a bowl game following this season.  They may very well shift down
> the Big Ten bowl ladder if they don't win out and make it to Pasadena
> (which is unlikely), but not sure how far (since the lower tier bowls want
> people in the seats, and PSU will likely provide that to some degree even
> with what has happened).

Aren't there limits in Big Ten rules as to when a bowl can pick a team 
further down in the standings?

And if I was the other team, I might not be happy getting Penn State
if I was expecting to get a school with a lesser record, like Illinois.

Some Big Ten schools might not be entirely thrilled moving UP the stack,
either.  I want to see Northwestern in a bowl game, no, make that
a WINNABLE bowl game, so I don't know that I'd be excited if they got 
paired up against an 8-4 or 9-3 school.
--
Mike Nolan


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Nov 15 14:03:28 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:03:28 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NYT Column on Penn State
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Update on PSU & Bowls:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/16128082/mcmurphys-law-penn-state-is-the-one-team-no-bowl-wants-to-invite

If they don't win their division, it seems very likely that all the Big Ten
bowls may pass them over (even with 8 or 9 wins).

--
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On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:04 PM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>wrote:

> Another interesting Times column on the PSU scandal:
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/15/opinion/brooks-lets-all-feel-superior.html?src=me&ref=general
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Mike Nolan
> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 1:02 PM
> To: tbng at comcast.net
> Cc: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NYT Column on Penn State
>
> > <Third, it must promise not to use its status as a state institution
> > to shield itself from the inevitable civil lawsuits
> >
> > Pragmatically, there is nothing Penn State can do to prevent law
> > suits, and it would be an unmitigated PR disaster for the university if
> they tried.
>
> The taxpayers of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania might have a different
> opinion on that issue, because any damages assessed to Penn State will
> eventually, one way or another, be paid out of the state treasury.
>
> It's fine for the New York Times, among others, to propose grandiose
> steps, it's a lot different for those whose lives would be impacted by
> those steps.
>
> I don't recall the New York Times being willing to cease publication for a
> few months when it had a writer who was fired for falsifying stories.
> And the NY TImes has hid behind the Sullivan decision MANY MANY times.
> --
> Mike Nolan
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 15 14:19:01 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:19:01 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I will bet anyone on this list a quarter
Message-ID: <1627688147-1321388344-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2006109707-@b11.c29.bise6.blackberry>

That the NU men do not make the NCAA tournament. Why? Because they are NU. I hope they do. But they won't. It is their enduring fate. 

Brad Wilson
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 15 15:12:29 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:12:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I will bet anyone on this list a quarter
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I'll take that action. 



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That the NU men do not make the NCAA tournament. Why? Because they are NU. I hope they do. But they won't. It is their enduring fate. 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 15 22:54:24 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:54:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Since we're posting links to articles ...
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I figured I'd link to this one -- nice to see some thoughtful and more level-headed analysis coming through now amid the hoopla and calls for rash action. Still a lot of questions, but a good reminder that everything has yet to come out ...

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/7237700/in-penn-state-child-sexual-abuse-scandal-there-no-easy-answers-assistant-mike-mcqueary


I remain struck at how he could stick around the program, but then again after reading that article last week about the PA governor/de-facto PSU board head, he's known for two years now and had to still smile, shake Graham Spanier's hand and not say anything while leading the board of trustees (you'd think he could have at least suggested that they have some kind of crisis management plan for a nameless emergency without violating any oaths, because the university has handled this about as poorly as it could be handled in every respect). There are a lot of legal ties here we probably don't know about who can say what, who can fire whom and so on.

For the record, I think Bradley is absolutely right about playing in a bowl game ... (1) the players did nothing wrong, (2) it sends the message that life goes on without Paterno, (3) it keeps the incident in the spotlight so those responsible for the crimes and the cover-up don't get to slink away into the darkness -- especially in this era of a media and public with short attention spans.

I agree that the big-name bowls won't want to invite PSU and they will slip far (because bowls are never accused of wrongdoing, scandals or invite teams with athletes who have been in trouble with the law) ... but in case no one's noticed lately, the B(C)S has decimated the attendance at these small bowls. Most games will be in front of half-empty stadiums and ratings will be ho-hum. Penn State will fill seats and, like it or not, the scandal will bring in more attention and viewers. The bowls only see green -- some of the big ones can pretend to have principles for a year, but the smaller ones will have a tough time passing up a team with 8 or 9 wins who will fill seats and bring in viewers.

Go Cats!
-SjT
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov 16 09:50:44 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:50:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Since we're posting links to articles ...
In-Reply-To: <1321419264.440.YahooMailNeo@web121712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111116155044.8DA466503A@romaine.tssi.com>

Thanks for that link, Stephen.  

Maybe now that the hysteria is dying down, we'll see some more good 
old fashioned 'reporting'.

Many people seem to assume that not only is the grand jury report the Gospel 
truth, but it is the complete story.  

Worth noting in this ESPN article is the comment that grand jury reports 
often leave out some details.  And it isn't out of the question for the 
report to have some inaccuracies in it, either.  (As I recall, it is 
ultimately up to a jury to decide what the facts are.)

Those of us who attended Northwestern when Bergen Evans was teaching there 
may reflect back on what Bergen always had to say about the Bible.  His 
annual lecture on 'Satire, or Jonah and the Whale' always packed Tech 
Auditorium.   (I wonder if NU ever recorded his lectures?)

BTW, though Governor Corbett is apparently an ex-officio member of the 
Penn State Board of Trustees, last Friday's meeting was said to be the 
first he had attended.  I suspect it has been a while since ANY Governor of
Pennsylvania had attended one.  One wonders if he will attend the next one.  
I wouldn't bet on it.
--
Mike Nolan





From litnhop at mac.com  Tue Nov 15 13:41:12 2011
From: litnhop at mac.com (Jason Morris)
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:41:12 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Men's Soccer
Message-ID: <30EE8457-8584-46AA-88A2-CC11939E6A14@mac.com>

This was brought up some time last week, but . . . 

The men's soccer team will play their opening game in the NCAA tournament (NO BCS here SJT) this Thursday (11/17) versus defending national champion Akron (yes, Akron) at 6:30pm central time. Game will be played in Akron. Should be a tough game, but the Cats come in with an 11 game unbeaten streak. Akron had to sneak in after a bit of a lackluster season.

Indiana is the only other Big Ten school in the tournament. They're ceded #16 and will play their first game this weekend. Cats, even though they won the Big Ten and the Big Ten tourney are not ceded. 

For those of you (probably most of you) who don't follow the sport, at least at the college level, Indiana, in terms of Big Ten soccer, is analogous to tOSU or Michigan in football. They're a perennial top 25 power nationally and generally the class of the Big Ten.

As far as I can tell there will be no media (radio, tv, web streaming) of the game. More info at this link: http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/111411aaa.html

Cheers,

jm

Jason Morris
Riverdale, MD 20737
Northwestern University, BS Speech 1997
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 16 10:06:39 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:06:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Since we're posting links to articles ...
In-Reply-To: <20111116155044.8DA466503A@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1321419264.440.YahooMailNeo@web121712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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On Bergan Evans - somewhere in either the WGN Archives or NU Archives, there should be his
TV or Radio shows that he did oh so long ago.

On the Penn State Grand Jury indictments...

Paul can probably cite the source, but I've always read that a grand jury can indict a ham
sandwich if they want to, all that is required is a modicum of belief that the crime was
committed by that person. Crimes and rumors of crimes are all fair game. For me, I'd never
want to appear in front of one as a "person of interest."

One of the stories on Penn State this week noted that while there is a lot of testimony
about Sandusky in the showers with young boys, none of the alleged victims have told
investigators that they were molested. McQueary's eyewitness testimony is the only direct
accusation in the entire report.

But the Grand Jury report states specific acts of sodomy that could only have come from
the victims.

In any case, I'm not so sure that McQueary didn't report what he saw to the police, in
this case the campus security force which functions as a private police force on every
college campus. 

I'm not a lawyer, but it appears to this observer that it always came down to Sandusky's
word against a kid who really didn't want to talk about whatever happened. At one level,
it reminds me of that Daycare case out in California, and if it wasn't for the Janitor,
and McQueary, this case would still be sitting in a file in some obscure office of the
campus police.

rsl 

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-----Original Message-----
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Nolan
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:51 AM
To: sjtruog at yahoo.com
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Since we're posting links to articles ...

Thanks for that link, Stephen.  

Maybe now that the hysteria is dying down, we'll see some more good 
old fashioned 'reporting'.

Many people seem to assume that not only is the grand jury report the Gospel 
truth, but it is the complete story.  

Worth noting in this ESPN article is the comment that grand jury reports 
often leave out some details.  And it isn't out of the question for the 
report to have some inaccuracies in it, either.  (As I recall, it is 
ultimately up to a jury to decide what the facts are.)

Those of us who attended Northwestern when Bergen Evans was teaching there 
may reflect back on what Bergen always had to say about the Bible.  His 
annual lecture on 'Satire, or Jonah and the Whale' always packed Tech 
Auditorium.   (I wonder if NU ever recorded his lectures?)

BTW, though Governor Corbett is apparently an ex-officio member of the 
Penn State Board of Trustees, last Friday's meeting was said to be the 
first he had attended.  I suspect it has been a while since ANY Governor of
Pennsylvania had attended one.  One wonders if he will attend the next one.  
I wouldn't bet on it.
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov 16 10:16:52 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:16:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Since we're posting links to articles ...
In-Reply-To: <000201cca479$ba456590$2ed030b0$@com>
Message-ID: <20111116161652.7F43164DA7@romaine.tssi.com>

> Paul can probably cite the source, but I've always read that a grand 
> jury can indict a ham
> sandwich if they want to, all that is required is a modicum of belief 
> that the crime was
> committed by that person. Crimes and rumors of crimes are all fair game. 
> For me, I'd never
> want to appear in front of one as a "person of interest."

Here's something from Wikipedia, not always the most accurate of sources 
but usually pretty reliable when it comes to quotes:

   New York State chief judge Sol Wachtler was famously quoted by Tom Wolfe 
   in The Bonfire of the Vanities that "a grand jury would 'indict a ham 
   sandwich,' if that's what you wanted."
--
Mike Nolan
 


From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 10:22:53 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:22:53 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Since we're posting links to articles ...
In-Reply-To: <000201cca479$ba456590$2ed030b0$@com>
References: <1321419264.440.YahooMailNeo@web121712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Well yes. Witnesses are an important part of trying a case !   
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Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:06:39 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Since we're posting links to articles ...

On Bergan Evans - somewhere in either the WGN Archives or NU Archives, there should be his
TV or Radio shows that he did oh so long ago.

On the Penn State Grand Jury indictments...

Paul can probably cite the source, but I've always read that a grand jury can indict a ham
sandwich if they want to, all that is required is a modicum of belief that the crime was
committed by that person. Crimes and rumors of crimes are all fair game. For me, I'd never
want to appear in front of one as a "person of interest."

One of the stories on Penn State this week noted that while there is a lot of testimony
about Sandusky in the showers with young boys, none of the alleged victims have told
investigators that they were molested. McQueary's eyewitness testimony is the only direct
accusation in the entire report.

But the Grand Jury report states specific acts of sodomy that could only have come from
the victims.

In any case, I'm not so sure that McQueary didn't report what he saw to the police, in
this case the campus security force which functions as a private police force on every
college campus. 

I'm not a lawyer, but it appears to this observer that it always came down to Sandusky's
word against a kid who really didn't want to talk about whatever happened. At one level,
it reminds me of that Daycare case out in California, and if it wasn't for the Janitor,
and McQueary, this case would still be sitting in a file in some obscure office of the
campus police.

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Nolan
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:51 AM
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Thanks for that link, Stephen.  

Maybe now that the hysteria is dying down, we'll see some more good 
old fashioned 'reporting'.

Many people seem to assume that not only is the grand jury report the Gospel 
truth, but it is the complete story.  

Worth noting in this ESPN article is the comment that grand jury reports 
often leave out some details.  And it isn't out of the question for the 
report to have some inaccuracies in it, either.  (As I recall, it is 
ultimately up to a jury to decide what the facts are.)

Those of us who attended Northwestern when Bergen Evans was teaching there 
may reflect back on what Bergen always had to say about the Bible.  His 
annual lecture on 'Satire, or Jonah and the Whale' always packed Tech 
Auditorium.   (I wonder if NU ever recorded his lectures?)

BTW, though Governor Corbett is apparently an ex-officio member of the 
Penn State Board of Trustees, last Friday's meeting was said to be the 
first he had attended.  I suspect it has been a while since ANY Governor of
Pennsylvania had attended one.  One wonders if he will attend the next one.  
I wouldn't bet on it.
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov 16 10:33:51 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:33:51 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Men's Soccer
In-Reply-To: <30EE8457-8584-46AA-88A2-CC11939E6A14@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20111116163352.2642D65070@romaine.tssi.com>

I think there are only 6 schools in the conference with men's soccer
teams, which is probably why the Big Ten champion doesn't get a seeded slot 
in the NCAA tournament.

FWIW, Big Ten newcomer Nebraska has had a very good women's soccer program, 
though I think this was a down year for them, but no men's soccer program.
--
Mike Nolan


From AJWDBW at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 11:13:18 2011
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:13:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Since we're posting links to articles ...
Message-ID: <3948.1ff44661.3bf5492e@aol.com>

My God, Mike, I thought I was the only geezer in the crowd. Professor Evans 
 was a remarkable human being.
Don Williams, C55
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2011 9:50:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
nolan at tssi.com writes:

Those of  us who attended Northwestern when Bergen Evans was teaching there 
 


From litnhop at mac.com  Wed Nov 16 11:35:17 2011
From: litnhop at mac.com (Jason Morris)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:35:17 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Men's Soccer
In-Reply-To: <20111116163352.2642D65070@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111116163352.2642D65070@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <D9EB409B-63E4-423F-976B-44F9B265EC29@mac.com>

Ah. Good point. That makes sense. I just did a quick check and there are only seven Big Ten schools with men's teams. Minnesota, Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois and Purdue do NOT have men's teams. Interestingly enough, however, all the Big Ten schools DO field women's teams. To be expected I suppose what with Title IX and all, but . . .

jm

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On Nov 16, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Mike Nolan wrote:

> I think there are only 6 schools in the conference with men's soccer
> teams, which is probably why the Big Ten champion doesn't get a seeded slot 
> in the NCAA tournament.
> 
> FWIW, Big Ten newcomer Nebraska has had a very good women's soccer program, 
> though I think this was a down year for them, but no men's soccer program.
> --
> Mike Nolan


From khaderach at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 16 11:56:55 2011
From: khaderach at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Bowser)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:56:55 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Article on Fitz as ideal PSU candidate
Message-ID: <4F5F9EF7-E9FB-4339-93A4-D6C3B69191D8@sbcglobal.net>

A while back we were commenting on the lack of mentions about Fitz as a candidate for the PSU job. I've seen a few recently. Here's one from philly really selling him as the ideal choice.

- Bryan

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/penn_state/20111116_Bernard_Fernandez__NEXT_.html




From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 12:23:33 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:23:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] fitz article in ohila daily news
Message-ID: <1321467813.11189.YahooMailNeo@web114718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Certainly of interest, and Bernard is an excellent writer, but rest assured that he is not especially tied into Penn State. As a member myself of the Philadelphia/Pennsylvania media, you kind of know who's got ties to PSU and who doesn't. I think Bernard is writing for himself here, not being tipped off or semi-officially floating a trial balloon.

That said,? it won't be the last such story.? But do we have anything to worry about? 


Brad Wilson







?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 12:34:15 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:34:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] gov. corbett/psu
Message-ID: <1321468455.19986.YahooMailNeo@web114720.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Those of you from outside Pennsylvania may? not realize that PSU, like Temple or Pitt, is a state-RELATED university, not run by the state.?

PSU gets money from Harrisburg but is in no way controlled by any part of state government. While the Governor certainly has a powerful bully pulpit and considerable influence, ultimately, he doesn't make the decisions on how Penn State is run. It is entirely possible and sustainable for a PSU President and Board of Trustees to defy the Governor should they wish to., though of course this situation is without precedent.


There are also no elected trustees such as at Illinois.

In many ways, PSU is a private university that gets state aid. 


Brad Wilson





?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Nov 16 12:30:05 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:30:05 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] fitz article in ohila daily news
In-Reply-To: <1321467813.11189.YahooMailNeo@web114718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321467813.11189.YahooMailNeo@web114718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu5z0O=6LnP264pUew058hV=YOn9ECUdagC73+gBQJwhAA@mail.gmail.com>

As has been said earlier, I think the 10 year contract extension in the
offseason plus the facilities upgrade plan recently presented to the
trustees and Phillips' own 10 year extension have all made a Fitz departure
less likely.  Plus, look at the aftermath PSU will be facing and who would
want to uproot a large family who is close to where they grew up to move to
an entirely different region, follow a near-diety, and deal with one of the
messiest off-field situations ever?  IMHO Fitz is wise enough to stay away
(remember Fitz never formally interviewed with Michigan last offseason)
even IF PSU comes calling (and I find that unlikely).

Jonathan

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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Certainly of interest, and Bernard is an excellent writer, but rest
> assured that he is not especially tied into Penn State. As a member myself
> of the Philadelphia/Pennsylvania media, you kind of know who's got ties to
> PSU and who doesn't. I think Bernard is writing for himself here, not being
> tipped off or semi-officially floating a trial balloon.
>
> That said,  it won't be the last such story.  But do we have anything to
> worry about?
>
>
> Brad Wilson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence
> has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid
> individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel
> contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)
>
>
> "But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not
> just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." --
> Pierre Boulez
>
>
> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Nov 16 13:00:07 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:00:07 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] fitz article in ohila daily news
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu5z0O=6LnP264pUew058hV=YOn9ECUdagC73+gBQJwhAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1321467813.11189.YahooMailNeo@web114718.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <CAAxRJu5z0O=6LnP264pUew058hV=YOn9ECUdagC73+gBQJwhAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC066C1F@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Nobody in the first coaching tier (guys who are having national success
coaching now, or who have had a history of national success) is going to
touch PSU until the dust has settled.  That's why OSU had to appoint
Fickle.  OSU won't get their real replacement for Tressel until the NCAA
has weighed in on what additional penalties will be imposed.

PSU won't get a new coach until all of the various threads including the
NCAA have played out.  In the case of PSU, that could be years.  Don't
know if they will be able to keep Bradley for that long, but if they
replace Bradley it will likely be similar what UoM did with Brady Hoke.
It will be a PSU alum who, as Hoke said, would walk to Happy Valley if
that's what it took to get the job.

Jeff 

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On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:30 PM
To: Brad Wilson
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] fitz article in ohila daily news

As has been said earlier, I think the 10 year contract extension in the
offseason plus the facilities upgrade plan recently presented to the
trustees and Phillips' own 10 year extension have all made a Fitz
departure
less likely.  Plus, look at the aftermath PSU will be facing and who
would
want to uproot a large family who is close to where they grew up to move
to
an entirely different region, follow a near-diety, and deal with one of
the
messiest off-field situations ever?  IMHO Fitz is wise enough to stay
away
(remember Fitz never formally interviewed with Michigan last offseason)
even IF PSU comes calling (and I find that unlikely).

Jonathan

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On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Certainly of interest, and Bernard is an excellent writer, but rest
> assured that he is not especially tied into Penn State. As a member
myself
> of the Philadelphia/Pennsylvania media, you kind of know who's got
ties to
> PSU and who doesn't. I think Bernard is writing for himself here, not
being
> tipped off or semi-officially floating a trial balloon.
>
> That said,  it won't be the last such story.  But do we have anything
to
> worry about?
>
>
> Brad Wilson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence.
Intelligence
> has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly
stupid
> individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel
> contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)
>
>
> "But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's
not
> just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing."
--
> Pierre Boulez
>
>
> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 13:04:07 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:04:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Since we're posting links to articles ...
In-Reply-To: <3948.1ff44661.3bf5492e@aol.com>
References: <3948.1ff44661.3bf5492e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE72A9A605A4BA-1734-68894@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com>

I also took Bergen's class--something like "Introduction to Literature".  I am embarassed to admit I took it "Pass/Fail".:-)



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My God, Mike, I thought I was the only geezer in the crowd. Professor Evans 
was a remarkable human being.
on Williams, C55


n a message dated 11/16/2011 9:50:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
olan at tssi.com writes:
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov 16 13:06:38 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:06:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] More Penn State news
Message-ID: <20111116190639.0DF7665069@romaine.tssi.com>

The Penn State Board of Trustees has named board member Dr. David M. Joyner, a
former Penn State athlete and the head physician to the 1992 Winter Olympic team,
as the acting head of the Athletic Department.  

The Reuters story also notes that Jerry Sandusky's bond conditions
include no contact with minors, witnesses or alleged victims.  He has
also been told by Penn State that he is not welcome on campus.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov 16 13:24:00 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:24:00 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bergen Evans
In-Reply-To: <8CE72A9A605A4BA-1734-68894@webmail-m041.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111116192400.5A95565069@romaine.tssi.com>

> I also took Bergen's class--something like "Introduction to Literature".  I
>  am embarassed to admit I took it "Pass/Fail".:-)

As did I.  I think I would have gotten a B+.  

Officially, the course was in the catalog as B10 - Introduction to Literature,
but everybody just called it 'Bergen Evans'.

I only took one quarter of it, the engineering school curriculum didn't 
include many non-technical electives.  I was there on the day when he 
referred to King Lear in the first person singular, though.

I also sat in on the lectures a few times up in the balcony of Tech Auditorium.  
Bergen would address occasional comments to us.

Back in the late 70's, I remember a story in the Northwestern alumni 
magazine where they said that something like 75% of the living alumni
of Northwestern had taken his class.  

Bergen died in 1978, so there is well over a generation of NU alums who
missed out on that experience.

I did have the opportunity to meet with him a few times informally,
not nearly enough!

That quarter course was one of the two or three courses I remember most 
from my five years at Northwestern.  Another was the course in Cultural and
Social Anthropology that I took from Dr. Edward T. Hall, whose books,
like 'The Silent Language', I still occasionally read through.  
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov 16 14:09:54 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:09:54 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Vick not practicing
Message-ID: <20111116200954.39E0E644F1@romaine.tssi.com>

According to ESPN, Michael Vick is not practicing, this time because of
broken ribs.  The Eagles haven't named a starter for Sunday night's
game against the Giants, but both Vince Young and Mike Kafka
are sharing reps at practice.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov 16 14:15:41 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:15:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] the Zook watch
Message-ID: <20111116201541.271CF65078@romaine.tssi.com>

Ron Zook told the press this week that he wouldn't take any questions 
about his being on the hot seat and he meant it.  When someone asked a 
question about it, he walked out of the room.
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 14:22:06 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:22:06 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] the Zook watch
Message-ID: <1457915721-1321474911-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-494581424-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen (or in this case, press conference).  Such juvenile behavior by Zook only means that his players will be more uptight than ever on Saturday.  I think a 6-game skid is becoming ever more likely.  
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Ron Zook told the press this week that he wouldn't take any questions 
about his being on the hot seat and he meant it.  When someone asked a 
question about it, he walked out of the room.
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From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 14:29:49 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:29:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bob Davie Named as Head Coach at New Mexico
Message-ID: <8CE72B59F3A28A3-23D4-C3EC0@webmail-m159.sysops.aol.com>

The Domer rises again:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-former-notre-dame-coach-davie-takes-new-mexico-job-20111116,0,60222.story

From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov 16 14:38:39 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:38:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] the Zook watch
In-Reply-To: <1457915721-1321474911-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-494581424-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20111116203839.B17A164DA7@romaine.tssi.com>

> If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen (or in this case, press conference).  Such juvenile behavior by Zook only means that his players will be more uptight than ever on Saturday.  I think a 6-game skid is becoming ever more likely.  

They're 14 point dogs at home against Wisconsin, at 52, take the over!

I see where the Boilers are only 3 point dogs at home against Iowa.
I have mixed emotions over that one, while I'd love to see Io*a lose 
again I'm not excited about Purdue getting bowl eligible with Indiana
still on their schedule.  

Northwestern is favored by 15 1/2 over Minny, Michigan State is favored
by around 28, Penn State is favored by 7 over the Buckeyes.

Michigan is favored by 3 1/2 at home against the Huskers, that game will 
give the Blackshirts a chance to show they can stop a mobile QB, something 
they haven't done very well this season.
--
Mike Nolan


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Nov 16 14:41:04 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:41:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Since we're posting links to articles ...
Message-ID: <d842.53a9c3e1.3bf579e0@aol.com>

Bergan Evans was on a quiz show with my aunt Toni Gilman in the 50's called 
 down you go.
_http://www.archive.org/details/DownYouGo_ 
(http://www.archive.org/details/DownYouGo) 
he was also my english prof

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Nov 16 15:01:50 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:01:50 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] the Zook watch
In-Reply-To: <20111116201541.271CF65078@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111116201541.271CF65078@romaine.tssi.com>
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Video link:

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/es-7239442/zook_refuses_to_discuss_future/


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Ron Zook told the press this week that he wouldn't take any questions about his being on the hot seat and he meant it.  When someone asked a question about it, he walked out of the room.
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From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:13:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] the Zook watch
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Wow!  He really looks like he's falling apart.  I think this time he's toast--unless his team rallies around him and upsets Wisconsin.  I don't think it will matter if they beat Minnesota in final game to finish 7-4.  He probably needs 8-4 and a bowl win to survive.

I doubt he and his team will get there.






I I

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ubject: [NU Sports] the Zook watch
Ron Zook told the press this week that he wouldn't take any questions about his 
eing on the hot seat and he meant it.  When someone asked a question about it, 
e walked out of the room.
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov 16 15:35:15 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:35:15 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] the Zook watch
In-Reply-To: <20111116203839.B17A164DA7@romaine.tssi.com>
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Here's how I see the Big Ten coaches stacking up

Wisconsin       Bielema is gold plated safe.  Besides, Barry loves him.  

Michigan State  Dantonio is also gold plated safe, but better have 
                a replacement for Kirk Cousins lined up.

Northwestern    Fitz has a lifetime job for as long as he considers it the 
                job of a lifetime.

Nebraska        The Pelinis (Bo and Carl) are both safe but IMHO Bo could 
                be lured away by the right offer.  Mike Stoops has 
                tarnished the 'hire a great coach's brother' concept for now.

Minnesota       Jerry Kill won the pig.  He's safe, but is he healthy?

Michigan        Hoke's doing a great job, darn it, Michigan is on the 
                road back to the top.  But there is that little obstacle 
                down in Columbus to deal with.  That's the problem with
                a one game 'real' schedule.  

Purdue          Hope getting his team bowl eligible will give him 2-
                3 years more, at least.  Beat Iowa and he gets a 
                contract extension.  

Indiana         Wilson isn't doing as badly as I thought he would do 
                in year 1.  Maybe he should start throwing chairs around,
                it worked for Bobby.  

Iowa            Ferentz is going to show up on the 'most overpaid coaches' 
                list again list soon, I suspect.  A loss to Purdue followed
                by a crushing defeat in Lincoln would put him on the hot
                seat for next year.  

Ohio State      It'll depend on when and how hard the NCAA drops the 
                hammer, but if the Columbus Dispatch has to reset the 
                'days since Michigan last defeated Ohio State in football' 
                counter on their website, that will seriously hamper 
                Fickell's chances of staying in an 'on the job' training 
                program.  Right now, I'm guessing he'll be there in 2012,
                possibly without the 'interim' label.  But James Van Ness
                was the interim chair of the department of Electrical
                Engineering at Northwestern for 18 years.  

Illinois        They have to pull the plug on Zook some time, why not 
                this year?  An 0-6 finish might do it.

Penn State      Hello, anybody want this job?  :crickets chirping:
--
Mike Nolan


From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 16 16:05:53 2011
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Art Miller)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:05:53 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Bob Davie Named as Head Coach at New Mexico
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Wow, I'm more than a little surprised at this--New Mexico is a monstrous rebuilding job.  Do you suppose this is the best gig he could find?

Art Miller




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> The Domer rises again:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-former-notre-dame-coach-davie-takes-new-mexico-job-20111116,0,60222.story
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov 16 16:15:41 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:15:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bob Davie Named as Head Coach at New Mexico
In-Reply-To: <ADA10FE4-89A8-49E4-96C1-74979748FEBE@gmail.com>
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> Wow, I'm more than a little surprised at this--New Mexico is a monstrous rebuilding job.  Do you suppose this is the best gig he could find?

Given his record in South Bend, I think so.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 16 20:40:26 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 18:40:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] the Zook watch
In-Reply-To: <20111116213515.DA159644F1@romaine.tssi.com>
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Building off of Mike's analysis ...

WISCONSIN - I agree that Barry loves the Smug Smirk, but I don't get the impression from friends in Wisconsin that the feeling is quite as strong. For starters, he lost a Rose Bowl ... to TCU ... Barry never did that. And then this year's been a big disappointment after high expectations and such unimaginable breakdowns on defense late in their only two tough road games. He's safe for now, but not gold plated.

NORTHWESTERN - Fitz is coach for as long as he wants to be in Evanston.

MSU - They did luck out with Dantonio, but Spartan fans are always fickle and they missed a chance to move up while Michigan was down in the Big Ten hierarchy ... now that Big Blue is on the way back and they couldn't get the B(C)S bid or big win, they're back to being #2 in their own state.

NEBRASKA - Not sure about them yet, so I'll defer to Mike.

MINNESOTA / INDIANA - New coaches and they need time to be evaluated.

MICHIGAN - Hoke is a perfect hire (though I would have loved to see what Les Miles would have done in Ann Arbor) and a Michigan Man. They're still suffering from RichRod's smallish recruits, but they'll be back to Michigan football in no time, and with the impending changeovers at PSU/OSU, they're poised to be the flagship of the league once again in a few years. They went through their experiment with something different (ala UNL and Callahan) and are now back to the old Maize & Blue.

PURDUE - Hope is OK for now, but Purdue may get restless soon with the sloppy starts. Still, the Boilers are a pretty good model for coaching transitions on the gridiron and hardwood.

IOWA - Ferentz is the dean of league coaches, but also on the hotseat if next year isn't a lot better than this one.

ILLINOIS - Zooker's gone if they lose six straight and don't show up for the bowl game. Stick a fork in him.

And then the big two ...?A lot obviously depends on what happens in the next few months, but these are still two of the elite programs in college football and there will be candidates. Neither has fallen to the Notre Dame "once great" level yet.

OHIO STATE - Football recruiting hotbed, rabid fans, talented roster, rich tradition ... the only question is what the sanctions are. If it's a USC-style crackdown, then the job might sink and you can only get a guy like Lane Kiffin, but if they're minor penalties, then OSU can look for, and demand, a big name. And that means bye bye to Mr. Finkel.

PENN STATE - I think a lot depends on who the A.D. is, but I think this job is actually a more desirable one than OSU. Same recruiting hotbed, large fanbase, rich tradition, etc. But you won't have NCAA sanctions to deal with and the pressure's off on the replacing-a-legend doom that was hanging over this job for the last decade or so. No longer will you be in JoePa's shadow - PSU wants a fresh start and the fans will be ready for one as well. Get a new coach, staff, AD, etc. in there with all the tools for success and you can win right away, where OSU might be on probation. The scandal may cause some big-name candidates to shy away more than OSU, and while whoever gets the job will be building over, they're going to start building at a higher level than most other jobs.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 02:21:17 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 00:21:17 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1117-dufresne-penn-state-20111117,0,1933841.column

CHRIS DUFRESNE / ON COLLEGE FOOTBALL
For everyone's sake, Penn State needs to say no to a bowl game The school
needs to concentrate on recovering from the child sex abuse scandal and not
burden bowl officials with an unwanted sideshow.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 17 05:27:10 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 06:27:10 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Since we're posting links to articles ...
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I think I took his last big class at NU - also pass/fail but he was an amazing lecturer.

rsl

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My God, Mike, I thought I was the only geezer in the crowd. Professor Evans 
 was a remarkable human being.
Don Williams, C55
 
 
In a message dated 11/16/2011 9:50:54 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 06:47:51 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:47:51 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
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I haven't seen mention of anyone's suggestion that the timing of the scandal breaking may have been delayed until JoePa broke the record for most collegiate wins. (Sure hope Coach K doesn't have one break this week !)

Harry
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 17 07:00:11 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:00:11 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
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I haven't seen mention of anyone's suggestion that the timing of the scandal  
breaking may have been delayed until JoePa broke the record for most  
collegiate wins. (Sure hope Coach K doesn't have one break this week !)

Harry
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 17 07:05:09 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:05:09 -0500
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Given My limited experience in these matters...

Most big stories like these either break because a reporter stumbles on a  
lead that is supposed to be confidential or the prosecuter has an agenda.

The DE AG started a pedophelia task force that magically started to get  
results right before the state primary. IMHO very good timing for a Senate  
run.  

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I haven't seen mention of anyone's suggestion that the timing of the scandal  
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collegiate wins. (Sure hope Coach K doesn't have one break this week !)

Harry
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 07:11:57 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:11:57 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading
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I disagree with the LA Times article suggesting PSU just pull out of any bowl game they may have earned on the field due to sideshow it would create

While not completely analagous, suppose Arthur Butz' (an Electrical Engineering Professor at NU) book denying the Holocaust had come out this week with all of the subsequent protests on campus.  We would likely expect   protests and pickets in and around our bowl game site.  We would probably expect questions at press conferences about it. It would be a distraction.  Yes this example wasnt started by a former coach nor involve Pat Fitzgerald,but none of the people who apparently are morally guilty are part of the PSU team right now. They have been let go.(The Grad Assistant is on leave) Yet the article implies  it is the sideshow created by others that should derail PSU's participation not PSU's actions per se  

Harry
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1117-dufresne-penn-state-20111117,0,1933841.column

CHRIS DUFRESNE / ON COLLEGE FOOTBALL
For everyone's sake, Penn State needs to say no to a bowl game The school
needs to concentrate on recovering from the child sex abuse scandal and not
burden bowl officials with an unwanted sideshow.
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 08:48:41 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 06:48:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading
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Harry,
?
I think your NU analogy misses the main point. Butz can publish whatever he wants and NU can stand behind that as a first amendment issue (which it is). In your scenario there is no cover up by university to protect football revenue.
?
From where I sit, Penn State officials did not take appropriate action to protect children because football came first. PSU has lost credibility as a university because they put football above human decency and the greater university ideals. I think declining a bowl game would be a gesture to say "we need to get our house in order, football can wait". They won't do it because money and SjT say they won't do it, but I think it's an option.
?
Declining a bowl game would unfairly punish the players (I still say ALL of the coaches knew). That happens in life. I am forever punished at the airport by having to remove my shoes because one a-hole failed in a bomb plot. Completely unfair to me, but it makes sense to everyone but me. 
?
Jim
?
?


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I disagree with the LA Times article suggesting PSU just pull out of any bowl game they may have earned on the field due to sideshow it would create

While not completely analagous, suppose Arthur Butz' (an Electrical Engineering Professor at NU) book denying the Holocaust had come out this week with all of the subsequent protests on campus.? We would likely expect?  protests and pickets in and around our bowl game site.? We would probably expect questions at press conferences about it. It would be a distraction.? Yes this example wasnt started by a former coach nor involve Pat Fitzgerald,but none of the people who apparently are morally guilty are part of the PSU team right now. They have been let go.(The Grad Assistant is on leave) Yet the article implies? it is the sideshow created by others that should derail PSU's participation not PSU's actions per se? 

Harry
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Sent: Nov 17, 2011 12:21 AM

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1117-dufresne-penn-state-20111117,0,1933841.column

CHRIS DUFRESNE / ON COLLEGE FOOTBALL
For everyone's sake, Penn State needs to say no to a bowl game The school
needs to concentrate on recovering from the child sex abuse scandal and not
burden bowl officials with an unwanted sideshow.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Nov 17 09:09:01 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:09:01 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading
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I don't agree that this was a "football comes first" attitude.

I think it was a "PSU come first" attitude.

You can still make the argument that the institution should take a stand to say that this attitude was the result of errors made at the highest levels.  Now that those leaders are gone, the institution must demonstrate that it DOES have the interests of the victims a heart.  The question is what it should do to indicate that they have turned over a new leaf and eradicated all vestiges of the "protect PSU at all costs" ethic?

I would suggest that they conduct a thorough policy review to make sure that policy is consistent with the institutions responsibility to respond in a timely manner to all reports of child abuse.  Then I would conduct a thorough review of internal practices to make sure that they all conform with updated (if necessary) policy.  It is possible that some additional firings could occur as a result of this review.  

Finally I would create an educational program to make sure that every PSU employee is equipped to recognize the tell-tale signs of child abuse. In general, this would come under the banner of making PSU the safest place on earth for children.

The whole issue of restitution and services for the victims is difficult because of liability concerns.  But if PSU could make investments without repercussion, I would also commit to becoming the world leader in services for children and adults who have been the victim of child abuse and seek funding to offer those services for free to all comers.

In my mind, these are the things that PSU should be working on and these are the things that the "outraged" public should be pressuring PSU to implement.  

All the talk about football is really missing the point and does little or nothing to address the real issues - how to prevent this from happening again AND what should be done to help the victims.

Jeff


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Harry,
?
I think your NU analogy misses the main point. Butz can publish whatever he wants and NU can stand behind that as a first amendment issue (which it is). In your scenario there is no cover up by university to protect football revenue.
?
>From where I sit, Penn State officials did not take appropriate action to protect children because football came first. PSU has lost credibility as a university because they put football above human decency and the greater university ideals. I think declining a bowl game would be a gesture to say "we need to get our house in order, football can wait". They won't do it because money and SjT say they won't do it, but I think it's an option.
?
Declining a bowl game would unfairly punish the players (I still say ALL of the coaches knew). That happens in life. I am forever punished at the airport by having to remove my shoes because one a-hole failed in a bomb plot. Completely unfair to me, but it makes sense to everyone but me. 
?
Jim
?
?


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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading

I disagree with the LA Times article suggesting PSU just pull out of any bowl game they may have earned on the field due to sideshow it would create

While not completely analagous, suppose Arthur Butz' (an Electrical Engineering Professor at NU) book denying the Holocaust had come out this week with all of the subsequent protests on campus.? We would likely expect?  protests and pickets in and around our bowl game site.? We would probably expect questions at press conferences about it. It would be a distraction.? Yes this example wasnt started by a former coach nor involve Pat Fitzgerald,but none of the people who apparently are morally guilty are part of the PSU team right now. They have been let go.(The Grad Assistant is on leave) Yet the article implies? it is the sideshow created by others that should derail PSU's participation not PSU's actions per se? 

Harry
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Sent: Nov 17, 2011 12:21 AM

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1117-dufresne-penn-state-20111117,0,1933841.column

CHRIS DUFRESNE / ON COLLEGE FOOTBALL
For everyone's sake, Penn State needs to say no to a bowl game The school
needs to concentrate on recovering from the child sex abuse scandal and not
burden bowl officials with an unwanted sideshow.
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 09:17:41 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:17:41 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading
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I basicly agree with Jeff. It should be PSU's call how they want to show their "sorrow" for their errors and help the cause.

 Donate a percentage of the gate. Set up a chair for a program on child sex abuse.  Let them decide  now that they have let go the key people.  Hopefully they will take strong action. But why penalize the innocent if they don't have too. They would do more for reducing child sex abuse with those actions than cancelling a bowl game

Harry
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To: Jim Leonard<jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading

I don't agree that this was a "football comes first" attitude.

I think it was a "PSU come first" attitude.

You can still make the argument that the institution should take a stand to say that this attitude was the result of errors made at the highest levels.  Now that those leaders are gone, the institution must demonstrate that it DOES have the interests of the victims a heart.  The question is what it should do to indicate that they have turned over a new leaf and eradicated all vestiges of the "protect PSU at all costs" ethic?

I would suggest that they conduct a thorough policy review to make sure that policy is consistent with the institutions responsibility to respond in a timely manner to all reports of child abuse.  Then I would conduct a thorough review of internal practices to make sure that they all conform with updated (if necessary) policy.  It is possible that some additional firings could occur as a result of this review.  

Finally I would create an educational program to make sure that every PSU employee is equipped to recognize the tell-tale signs of child abuse. In general, this would come under the banner of making PSU the safest place on earth for children.

The whole issue of restitution and services for the victims is difficult because of liability concerns.  But if PSU could make investments without repercussion, I would also commit to becoming the world leader in services for children and adults who have been the victim of child abuse and seek funding to offer those services for free to all comers.

In my mind, these are the things that PSU should be working on and these are the things that the "outraged" public should be pressuring PSU to implement.  

All the talk about football is really missing the point and does little or nothing to address the real issues - how to prevent this from happening again AND what should be done to help the victims.

Jeff


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Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:49 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading

Harry,
?
I think your NU analogy misses the main point. Butz can publish whatever he wants and NU can stand behind that as a first amendment issue (which it is). In your scenario there is no cover up by university to protect football revenue.
?
From where I sit, Penn State officials did not take appropriate action to protect children because football came first. PSU has lost credibility as a university because they put football above human decency and the greater university ideals. I think declining a bowl game would be a gesture to say "we need to get our house in order, football can wait". They won't do it because money and SjT say they won't do it, but I think it's an option.
?
Declining a bowl game would unfairly punish the players (I still say ALL of the coaches knew). That happens in life. I am forever punished at the airport by having to remove my shoes because one a-hole failed in a bomb plot. Completely unfair to me, but it makes sense to everyone but me. 
?
Jim
?
?


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From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading

I disagree with the LA Times article suggesting PSU just pull out of any bowl game they may have earned on the field due to sideshow it would create

While not completely analagous, suppose Arthur Butz' (an Electrical Engineering Professor at NU) book denying the Holocaust had come out this week with all of the subsequent protests on campus.? We would likely expect?  protests and pickets in and around our bowl game site.? We would probably expect questions at press conferences about it. It would be a distraction.? Yes this example wasnt started by a former coach nor involve Pat Fitzgerald,but none of the people who apparently are morally guilty are part of the PSU team right now. They have been let go.(The Grad Assistant is on leave) Yet the article implies? it is the sideshow created by others that should derail PSU's participation not PSU's actions per se? 

Harry
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Subject: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading
Sent: Nov 17, 2011 12:21 AM

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1117-dufresne-penn-state-20111117,0,1933841.column

CHRIS DUFRESNE / ON COLLEGE FOOTBALL
For everyone's sake, Penn State needs to say no to a bowl game The school
needs to concentrate on recovering from the child sex abuse scandal and not
burden bowl officials with an unwanted sideshow.
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 09:20:13 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:20:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Another article worth reading
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>From the NY Times. The most fascinating bit is that it was apparently a matter of luck and internet chatter that led investigators to someone inside the program that was willing to talk (i.e. McQueary), but it's a good, and disturbing, summary of the story:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/sports/ncaafootball/internet-posting-helped-sandusky-investigators.html?_r=2&ref=sports&pagewanted=all

Tom

From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Nov 17 09:22:30 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:22:30 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
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> I haven't seen mention of anyone's suggestion that the timing of the scandal breaking may have been delayed until JoePa broke the record for most collegiate wins. (Sure hope Coach K doesn't have one break this week !)

If anything, Harry, I suspect the reverse was true.

Do we know exactly when the Grand Jury's indictment and report
were filed with the court?  

Stories indicate that it was filed under seal.  

But there was a 'computer glitch' that allowed the report to be visible.
So, who's responsible for the computer glitch?  Every prosecutor or
former prosecutor who has weighed in on that issue has said pretty much 
the same thing, that the release was NOT an accident.

Had it remain sealed, JoePa would probably still be coaching today, 
and would have broken Stagg's record for most games coached.  (Instead, 
they will be tied in the record books.)

But I doubt you'll see reporters investigating THAT angle of this story.
--
Mike Nolan


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 10:08:42 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:08:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading
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I'm really not trying to argue here. I know Penn State will go to a bowl game and it won't ruin my life if they do. 
?
However, I think this is very much about football, the Paterno brand, and the $50 million a year it was earning for the university. If this isn't about "football first" then you'd have to argue that Penn State would have taken the exact same steps (lack of action) if Sandusky was a former heating/cooling engineer in the physical plant department. I don't buy that. I think they would have gladly cut him loose, barred him from campus, and invloved the police. I think "what's good for the program?" clouded a lot of judgment here. 
?
Jim
?
?


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From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:09 AM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading

I don't agree that this was a "football comes first" attitude.

I think it was a "PSU come first" attitude.

You can still make the argument that the institution should take a stand to say that this attitude was the result of errors made at the highest levels.? Now that those leaders are gone, the institution must demonstrate that it DOES have the interests of the victims a heart.? The question is what it should do to indicate that they have turned over a new leaf and eradicated all vestiges of the "protect PSU at all costs" ethic?

I would suggest that they conduct a thorough policy review to make sure that policy is consistent with the institutions responsibility to respond in a timely manner to all reports of child abuse.? Then I would conduct a thorough review of internal practices to make sure that they all conform with updated (if necessary) policy.? It is possible that some additional firings could occur as a result of this review.? 

Finally I would create an educational program to make sure that every PSU employee is equipped to recognize the tell-tale signs of child abuse. In general, this would come under the banner of making PSU the safest place on earth for children.

The whole issue of restitution and services for the victims is difficult because of liability concerns.? But if PSU could make investments without repercussion, I would also commit to becoming the world leader in services for children and adults who have been the victim of child abuse and seek funding to offer those services for free to all comers.

In my mind, these are the things that PSU should be working on and these are the things that the "outraged" public should be pressuring PSU to implement.? 

All the talk about football is really missing the point and does little or nothing to address the real issues - how to prevent this from happening again AND what should be done to help the victims.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:49 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading

Harry,
?
I think your NU analogy misses the main point. Butz can publish whatever he wants and NU can stand behind that as a first amendment issue (which it is). In your scenario there is no cover up by university to protect football revenue.
?
From where I sit, Penn State officials did not take appropriate action to protect children because football came first. PSU has lost credibility as a university because they put football above human decency and the greater university ideals. I think declining a bowl game would be a gesture to say "we need to get our house in order, football can wait". They won't do it because money and SjT say they won't do it, but I think it's an option.
?
Declining a bowl game would unfairly punish the players (I still say ALL of the coaches knew). That happens in life. I am forever punished at the airport by having to remove my shoes because one a-hole failed in a bomb plot. Completely unfair to me, but it makes sense to everyone but me. 
?
Jim
?
?


________________________________
From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading

I disagree with the LA Times article suggesting PSU just pull out of any bowl game they may have earned on the field due to sideshow it would create

While not completely analagous, suppose Arthur Butz' (an Electrical Engineering Professor at NU) book denying the Holocaust had come out this week with all of the subsequent protests on campus.? We would likely expect?? protests and pickets in and around our bowl game site.? We would probably expect questions at press conferences about it. It would be a distraction.? Yes this example wasnt started by a former coach nor involve Pat Fitzgerald,but none of the people who apparently are morally guilty are part of the PSU team right now. They have been let go.(The Grad Assistant is on leave) Yet the article implies? it is the sideshow created by others that should derail PSU's participation not PSU's actions per se? 

Harry
------Original Message------
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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading
Sent: Nov 17, 2011 12:21 AM

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1117-dufresne-penn-state-20111117,0,1933841.column

CHRIS DUFRESNE / ON COLLEGE FOOTBALL
For everyone's sake, Penn State needs to say no to a bowl game The school
needs to concentrate on recovering from the child sex abuse scandal and not
burden bowl officials with an unwanted sideshow.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Nov 17 10:31:26 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:31:26 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading
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I suggest (as I already have) that Spanier would have behaved exactly the same if the report that he read in 2002 came from the Hersey Children's Hospital or the Child Development Center or any other place where children touch the institution.  His primary concern was that this event happened on the PSU campus and was perpetrated by someone that the institution trusted.  The fact that it was a retired football coach that had access to the facilities certainly had some impact, but no more than if it had been a retired physician who had access to the Children's Hospital, or a retired administrator who had acess to the Child Development Center.  
 
The bottom line is the concern that reporting the event would indicate that PSU did not have the proper controls in place to protect children from sexual attack on campus.  The concern was NOT that corruption in the football program had somehow allowed this event to occur.
 
This was a failure in institutional control, not a compliance failure of the athletic department.
 
Jeff

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jim Leonard
Sent: Thu 11/17/2011 11:08 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading



I'm really not trying to argue here. I know Penn State will go to a bowl game and it won't ruin my life if they do.
 
However, I think this is very much about football, the Paterno brand, and the $50 million a year it was earning for the university. If this isn't about "football first" then you'd have to argue that Penn State would have taken the exact same steps (lack of action) if Sandusky was a former heating/cooling engineer in the physical plant department. I don't buy that. I think they would have gladly cut him loose, barred him from campus, and invloved the police. I think "what's good for the program?" clouded a lot of judgment here.
 
Jim
 
 


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:09 AM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading

I don't agree that this was a "football comes first" attitude.

I think it was a "PSU come first" attitude.

You can still make the argument that the institution should take a stand to say that this attitude was the result of errors made at the highest levels.  Now that those leaders are gone, the institution must demonstrate that it DOES have the interests of the victims a heart.  The question is what it should do to indicate that they have turned over a new leaf and eradicated all vestiges of the "protect PSU at all costs" ethic?

I would suggest that they conduct a thorough policy review to make sure that policy is consistent with the institutions responsibility to respond in a timely manner to all reports of child abuse.  Then I would conduct a thorough review of internal practices to make sure that they all conform with updated (if necessary) policy.  It is possible that some additional firings could occur as a result of this review. 

Finally I would create an educational program to make sure that every PSU employee is equipped to recognize the tell-tale signs of child abuse. In general, this would come under the banner of making PSU the safest place on earth for children.

The whole issue of restitution and services for the victims is difficult because of liability concerns.  But if PSU could make investments without repercussion, I would also commit to becoming the world leader in services for children and adults who have been the victim of child abuse and seek funding to offer those services for free to all comers.

In my mind, these are the things that PSU should be working on and these are the things that the "outraged" public should be pressuring PSU to implement. 

All the talk about football is really missing the point and does little or nothing to address the real issues - how to prevent this from happening again AND what should be done to help the victims.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 9:49 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading

Harry,
 
I think your NU analogy misses the main point. Butz can publish whatever he wants and NU can stand behind that as a first amendment issue (which it is). In your scenario there is no cover up by university to protect football revenue.
 
>From where I sit, Penn State officials did not take appropriate action to protect children because football came first. PSU has lost credibility as a university because they put football above human decency and the greater university ideals. I think declining a bowl game would be a gesture to say "we need to get our house in order, football can wait". They won't do it because money and SjT say they won't do it, but I think it's an option.
 
Declining a bowl game would unfairly punish the players (I still say ALL of the coaches knew). That happens in life. I am forever punished at the airport by having to remove my shoes because one a-hole failed in a bomb plot. Completely unfair to me, but it makes sense to everyone but me.
 
Jim
 
 


________________________________
From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading

I disagree with the LA Times article suggesting PSU just pull out of any bowl game they may have earned on the field due to sideshow it would create

While not completely analagous, suppose Arthur Butz' (an Electrical Engineering Professor at NU) book denying the Holocaust had come out this week with all of the subsequent protests on campus.  We would likely expect   protests and pickets in and around our bowl game site.  We would probably expect questions at press conferences about it. It would be a distraction.  Yes this example wasnt started by a former coach nor involve Pat Fitzgerald,but none of the people who apparently are morally guilty are part of the PSU team right now. They have been let go.(The Grad Assistant is on leave) Yet the article implies  it is the sideshow created by others that should derail PSU's participation not PSU's actions per se 

Harry
------Original Message------
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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading
Sent: Nov 17, 2011 12:21 AM

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-1117-dufresne-penn-state-20111117,0,1933841.column

CHRIS DUFRESNE / ON COLLEGE FOOTBALL
For everyone's sake, Penn State needs to say no to a bowl game The school
needs to concentrate on recovering from the child sex abuse scandal and not
burden bowl officials with an unwanted sideshow.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Nov 17 13:58:48 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:58:48 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] LA Times column worth reading
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<I think "what's good for the program?" clouded a lot of judgment here. 

You "think," but you don't "know."


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Nov 17 14:37:39 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:37:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum Brennan: Penn State needs to skip bowl
	season
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC3742AE767@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/brennan/story/.../penn-state-bowl.../1 

From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 14:55:32 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:55:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Columbia U. Band Banned from Final Game
Message-ID: <8CE738261587098-D3C-7FAF5@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com>


List Friends,
As some of you may be aware, I attended Columbia University School of Law.  As a consequence, I thus matriculated at the two universities with the longest losing streets in FBS history.  That fact was brought home to me yet again when I read the following article from today's NY POST online:  http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/columbia_bans_band_from_final_home_hIaVkDsEOjtn5TnRmccrYO

The Columbia Administration has prohibited the Band from participating in the Lions' final home game this Saturday, due to their sarcastic (I would say hysterical) re-write of "Roar Lions Roar", Columbia's fight song.  Those of you who were in NUMB will probably appreciate this story the most.  All I know is that I was laughing out loud at my office desk when I read it.  The "new" lyrics are a scream (maybe a roar, too).  

I am proud to say that I could never bring myself to travel 100 blocks (about 5 miles) north of the Law School (on the Main Campus) to attend a Columbia football game--although I did have a good time watching the hoops team play.  Ivy League football just didn't make it for me, after watching the Big Ten at NU.

Anyway, laugh away, 

Paul (Lion) Levinson


From s-hargadon at northwestern.edu  Thu Nov 17 14:55:10 2011
From: s-hargadon at northwestern.edu (Sean Hargadon)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:55:10 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Penn Stater
Message-ID: <52714DBE-1EF1-48CB-B769-499F61C66C2C@northwestern.edu>

Penn Stater editor Tina Hay (one of the best in the business) and her staff offer some inside perspective and honest introspection on the situation in Happy Valley. http://pennstatermag.com/ 
--
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Senior Editor
Northwestern magazine
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Phone: 847-467-6941
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From snelson at hbs.edu  Thu Nov 17 15:01:32 2011
From: snelson at hbs.edu (Nelson, Steven)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:01:32 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum Brennan: Penn State needs to skip bowl
 season
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Hi Everyone -

Just resending this USA Today link with the Christine Brennan story, which was truncated in Willie's recent message:

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/columnist/brennan/story/2011-11-16/penn-state-bowl-season/51246294/1

All the best,
Steve


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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Thu Nov 17 15:38:53 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:38:53 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum Brennan: Penn State needs to skip bowl
 season
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Meh. Considering that most schools actually lose money overall on bowl trips, wouldn't it be more of a punishment to make them go? I also like the idea of the revenue going towards charities that help children, so the school would lose even more money. It might be better than some empty "statement" that wouldn't help anyone in any tangible way -- except, perhaps, make all of us feel better about ourselves (which, in the end, seems to be the main thing that Brennan is driving at in this column).


Eric West
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 17 16:10:47 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:10:47 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats defeat LSU, 88-82
Message-ID: <CAN7sengZpuM2Y9cqk0yCDA9Rc3tdfkA1T6X0X1xbnmvu7ubUaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Shurna goes off for 37 points and seven rebounds. Wow.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 17 16:16:51 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:16:51 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] In case you didn't notice
Message-ID: <002a01cca576$9bf488c0$d3dd9a40$@com>

The WILDCATS WON - beating LSU this afternoon. Shurna had 35+ and Crawford his some nice
shots at the end.

Got to watch most of the game on ESPNU - they play Tulsa tomorrow nite in the final!

Yessssss!

rsl

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 16:18:49 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:18:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats defeat LSU, 88-82
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Based on radio account (and Teddy Greenstein's analysis at halftime), it was a really ugly first half--both offensively and defensively. Nice comeback in the second half, fueled by a switch to the 1-3-1. Cobb and Sobolewski were big in the 2nd half as well. Sounded like a night and day difference in how the team performed first half versus second half. Carmody says he got after them pretty good at halftime--I'll bet!

Tom

From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 15:35:23 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Charles Herron)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:35:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl hopes
Message-ID: <8CE7387F288D4F8-180C-8BD7E@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com>

Several things that I discovered while researching Bowls this season:

- Some good news - there are 35 bowl games scheduled.  Therefore, 70 teams (out of 120 in FBS) must play in those bowls.

- Some more good news - there are currently 57 teams 'bowl-eligible' (6 or more wins).  One of them cannot play in the post-season, USC

- that leaves 56 bowl-eligible teams in FBS - 14 short of the number required.

- 21 teams, including ours, have 5 victories.  Theses teams need at least one victory.  If I had to guess, 4 of those teams will not get one victory.  They are:

 South Florida - must face Miami (Florida), Louisville, and West Virginia
 Syracuse - must face Cincinnati and Pittsburgh
 Iowa State - must face Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, and Kansas State
 Texas Tech - must face Missouri and Baylor

- That leaves 17 teams that could/should win at least one more game.  56+17=73, just barely more than the 70 teams needed.

- There are 14 teams with 4 victories - they need to win two more games.  Two of them, Miami (Ohio) and Bowling Green, have only one more game scheduled, so they cannot reach 6.  Marshall, East Carolina and Central Florida all play one another down the stretch, so all three cannot 'win out'  Maybe Tennessee (with Vanderbilt and Kentucky), and Navy (with San Jose State and Army) can reach 6.  That would make 75 teams bowl-eligible, 5 more than needed.

- Take out C-USA, the Sun Belt, the WAC, the MAC and the Mountain West, and we should be able to land somewhere.  That's why Jim Delaney makes the big bucks.

- Or just go ahead and beat Michigan State - that would greatly simplify things.

Chuck Herron, Tech '85 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 17 17:15:12 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:15:12 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats defeat LSU, 88-82
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They were trying to play man against a team with a very quick guard who ate them  up one
on one.

They switched to a 1-3-1 matchup with about a minute left in the half, and came back in
the 2nd in the zone. Even the TV guys commented that LSU couldn't figure out how to solve
the matchup, or how to break it.

What I saw really good in the game was Crawford playing like Shurna, and Cobb getting into
the mix. NU has a bunch of 3 point shooters now, that is for sure, and if you try to cover
one, like LSU did to Shurna, another guy steps up and shoots.

We'll have to see how they progress tomorrow.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Maycock
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 5:19 PM
To: Alan Abrahamson; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Wildcats defeat LSU, 88-82

Based on radio account (and Teddy Greenstein's analysis at halftime), it was a really ugly
first half--both offensively and defensively. Nice comeback in the second half, fueled by
a switch to the 1-3-1. Cobb and Sobolewski were big in the 2nd half as well. Sounded like
a night and day difference in how the team performed first half versus second half.
Carmody says he got after them pretty good at halftime--I'll bet!

Tom
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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Nov 17 17:23:53 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:23:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl hopes
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There is, I believe, still one exception to the '6 wins' rule
for bowl eligiblity.  A team can go to a bowl game if it is the
conference champion and there is a tie-in to a specific bowl,
even if the team has a losing record.

I think it has happened exactly once, I think it was the Sun Belt
conference champion a few years ago.

One does have to wonder what the fallback plan is if, for some reason,
there aren't enough 6 win teams to fill all the bowl slots.
--
Mike Nolan


From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Nov 17 18:48:34 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:48:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats defeat LSU, 88-82
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It wasn't that easy, as the Cats trailed by as much as 14 in the first half and 
were down by 9 at the break.

They were also only ahead by 1 with around a minute left.

Whatever Carmody said/did at the half worked pretty well, as the Cats 
(particularly Crawford) came out on fire in the second half.




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Shurna goes off for 37 points and seven rebounds. Wow.
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From DPENDERG at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 18:53:53 2011
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:53:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl hopes
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I think this bowl-for-everybody trend has become a pathetic  illustration 
of the game's commercialization and media obsession that  in a sense is one 
source of the horrific scandal at PSU (and lesser ones  elsewhere).  "Going 
to a bowl" becomes a measure of success even  if a majority of FBS schools do 
it.  I'm sorry, but who  cares?  And if Cats end up in Detroit or in 
something called the Pinstripe  Bowl in NYC (which I did not know even existed), 
then we are supposed to get  excited and beat our chests in pride??  Let's 
take a deep breath.  And  let's hope the Cats come out ready to play on 
Saturday against the Gophers or  we're headed to a losing season.  But then maybe 
we may still go to a  bowl.  Oh, aren't we great???
 
 
In a message dated 11/17/2011 6:13:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cherron604 at aol.com writes:

Several  things that I discovered while researching Bowls this season:

- Some  good news - there are 35 bowl games scheduled.  Therefore, 70 teams 
(out  of 120 in FBS) must play in those bowls.

- Some more good news - there  are currently 57 teams 'bowl-eligible' (6 or 
more wins).  One of them  cannot play in the post-season, USC

- that leaves 56 bowl-eligible  teams in FBS - 14 short of the number 
required.

- 21 teams, including  ours, have 5 victories.  Theses teams need at least 
one victory.  If  I had to guess, 4 of those teams will not get one victory. 
 They  are:

South Florida - must face Miami (Florida), Louisville, and West  Virginia
Syracuse - must face Cincinnati and Pittsburgh
Iowa State -  must face Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, and Kansas State
Texas Tech - must face  Missouri and Baylor

- That leaves 17 teams that could/should win at  least one more game.  
56+17=73, just barely more than the 70 teams  needed.

- There are 14 teams with 4 victories - they need to win two  more games.  
Two of them, Miami (Ohio) and Bowling Green, have only one  more game 
scheduled, so they cannot reach 6.  Marshall, East Carolina and  Central Florida 
all play one another down the stretch, so all three cannot  'win out'  Maybe 
Tennessee (with Vanderbilt and Kentucky), and Navy (with  San Jose State and 
Army) can reach 6.  That would make 75 teams  bowl-eligible, 5 more than 
needed.

- Take out C-USA, the Sun Belt, the  WAC, the MAC and the Mountain West, 
and we should be able to land  somewhere.  That's why Jim Delaney makes the 
big bucks.

- Or just  go ahead and beat Michigan State - that would greatly simplify  
things.

Chuck Herron, Tech '85  
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Nov 17 18:59:34 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:59:34 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl hopes
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You are correct about the exception: "The NCAA Leadership Council may
approve a waiver of the six-victory requirement
as noted in the provisions of Bylaw 18.7.2.2.2, in order to enable a
conference champion
to participate in a bowl game when the conference champion is scheduled
contractually to
participate in the game."  But that won't come into play this year as every
conference has at least one team that will reach an overall winning
record.  You are correct that Arkansas St. went to the New Orleans Bowl as
the Sun Belt champion in 2005 with a 5-6 record (but ended up beating
Southern Miss in the bowl to finish 6-6; 2005 was the last year with an 11
game regular season as well).

In terms of not having enough bowl eligible teams - I think last year had
the most concern (I think there were 2 eligible teams left out with 70
slots/35 bowls, not counting USC which was on a postseason ban) and I think
Arizona State filed for a waiver as they were 6-6 but with 2 wins over FCS
schools (only 1 FCS win can count towards bowl eligibility in a given year)
but were denied.  Nobody really knew what to expect if the situation
occurred with not enough teams but they avoided it.  This year, as others
have mentioned, it won't be a big problem as it looks like somewhere
between 75-80 teams will be eligible.

I took a look at the bowl picture today and whatever Big Ten teams are
potentially left out of conference-affiliated bowls will be in good shape
to pick up what looks like at least one "at-large" spot vacated by a
conference without enough teams.

We'll get a much better idea of how things will fall after this Saturday,
particularly since the 'Cats have yet to reach the all important 6 win
mark.  After that, let's go hog wild in projections.


Jonathan

PS: Although the explosion in number of bowls and blatant commercialization
is disheartening, especially from the perspective of a college football
traditionalist, I'm all for supporting the 'Cats and the fact is that any
bowl game is good for the program.  While we can all agree this season
wasn't as good as it could have been, reaching a bowl will be a positive,
especially considering that 5 game losing streak, and hopefully something
to build on heading into 2012.



--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 6:23 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> There is, I believe, still one exception to the '6 wins' rule
> for bowl eligiblity.  A team can go to a bowl game if it is the
> conference champion and there is a tie-in to a specific bowl,
> even if the team has a losing record.
>
> I think it has happened exactly once, I think it was the Sun Belt
> conference champion a few years ago.
>
> One does have to wonder what the fallback plan is if, for some reason,
> there aren't enough 6 win teams to fill all the bowl slots.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Nov 17 19:12:56 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 01:12:56 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl hopes
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Perhaps there is "bowl inflation" but having gone to NU when winning 2 games a year was cause for  celebration and  the chant of "Rose Bowl" every time we got a 1st down was all that we had to look forward to,I'm happy when we go to a bowl game.

Harry  
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:53:53 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowl hopes

I think this bowl-for-everybody trend has become a pathetic  illustration 
of the game's commercialization and media obsession that  in a sense is one 
source of the horrific scandal at PSU (and lesser ones  elsewhere).  "Going 
to a bowl" becomes a measure of success even  if a majority of FBS schools do 
it.  I'm sorry, but who  cares?  And if Cats end up in Detroit or in 
something called the Pinstripe  Bowl in NYC (which I did not know even existed), 
then we are supposed to get  excited and beat our chests in pride??  Let's 
take a deep breath.  And  let's hope the Cats come out ready to play on 
Saturday against the Gophers or  we're headed to a losing season.  But then maybe 
we may still go to a  bowl.  Oh, aren't we great???
 
 
In a message dated 11/17/2011 6:13:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cherron604 at aol.com writes:

Several  things that I discovered while researching Bowls this season:

- Some  good news - there are 35 bowl games scheduled.  Therefore, 70 teams 
(out  of 120 in FBS) must play in those bowls.

- Some more good news - there  are currently 57 teams 'bowl-eligible' (6 or 
more wins).  One of them  cannot play in the post-season, USC

- that leaves 56 bowl-eligible  teams in FBS - 14 short of the number 
required.

- 21 teams, including  ours, have 5 victories.  Theses teams need at least 
one victory.  If  I had to guess, 4 of those teams will not get one victory. 
 They  are:

South Florida - must face Miami (Florida), Louisville, and West  Virginia
Syracuse - must face Cincinnati and Pittsburgh
Iowa State -  must face Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, and Kansas State
Texas Tech - must face  Missouri and Baylor

- That leaves 17 teams that could/should win at  least one more game.  
56+17=73, just barely more than the 70 teams  needed.

- There are 14 teams with 4 victories - they need to win two  more games.  
Two of them, Miami (Ohio) and Bowling Green, have only one  more game 
scheduled, so they cannot reach 6.  Marshall, East Carolina and  Central Florida 
all play one another down the stretch, so all three cannot  'win out'  Maybe 
Tennessee (with Vanderbilt and Kentucky), and Navy (with  San Jose State and 
Army) can reach 6.  That would make 75 teams  bowl-eligible, 5 more than 
needed.

- Take out C-USA, the Sun Belt, the  WAC, the MAC and the Mountain West, 
and we should be able to land  somewhere.  That's why Jim Delaney makes the 
big bucks.

- Or just  go ahead and beat Michigan State - that would greatly simplify  
things.

Chuck Herron, Tech '85  
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 20:18:08 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:18:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum Brennan: Penn State needs to skip bowl
	season
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I get a chuckle about how all these sanctimonious writers are calling for no bowl or no season or even no football in PSU's future. I think the medical school analogy hits it on the head -- it's a ridiculous idea.?

Teams that have cheated, beaten up girlfriends, landed in the police blotter and more have been welcomed by bowls in the past. Heck, with the Fiesta Bowl scandal still unraveling in Arizona, the bowls themselves are a ponzi scheme waiting to be blown down and exposed.

These kids had absolutely nothing to do with this mess - let them play. The only bowl refusal I can remember is the Irish that year when they didn't like the bowl they got put into. This is a chance for the players to get another game, another look by pro scouts, another chance to play the game they love. How dare these writers make the student athletes pay for this.

Besides, football revenue -- especially at a school like PSU -- funds most of the entire athletic program, so they're really calling to punish the entire student athlete population at PSU. And since bowl revenue is split, it's really a decision that affects ALL Big Ten schools as well.

If the conference is feeling guilty, they can donate their cut of the bowl revenue to charity. Or maybe that board of trustees should donate their salaries for the last decade to charity for their poor management of something going on under their noses.

Call for the pensions of Spanier and the other officials. But these self-righteous columns calling for cancellation of football games or seasons is just a lot of hot air looking for attention. I'm surprised Rick Reilly hasn't written one yet - that's the level of desperation of public hand-wringing and attention these columns smack of, frankly.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Nov 17 21:44:39 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:44:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] In case you didn't notice
References: <002a01cca576$9bf488c0$d3dd9a40$@com>
Message-ID: <9FC02DD8262A4305B2724BC0C692DB2C@dennismachine>

<Got to watch most of the game on ESPNU - they play Tulsa tomorrow nite in 
the final!

Not tomorrow night and not the final.  They play Tulsa in the semi-final 
tomorrow at 3:30 PM EST.  ESPNU is televising it. 


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 17 22:17:20 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 23:17:20 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] In case you didn't notice
In-Reply-To: <9FC02DD8262A4305B2724BC0C692DB2C@dennismachine>
References: <002a01cca576$9bf488c0$d3dd9a40$@com>
 <9FC02DD8262A4305B2724BC0C692DB2C@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <004f01cca5a8$f7e65d20$e7b31760$@com>

Misread the bracket on TV, ooops

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
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------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 10:45 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In case you didn't notice

<Got to watch most of the game on ESPNU - they play Tulsa tomorrow nite in 
the final!

Not tomorrow night and not the final.  They play Tulsa in the semi-final 
tomorrow at 3:30 PM EST.  ESPNU is televising it. 



From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 11:13:47 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:13:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Minnesota Prediction
Message-ID: <1321636427.42222.YahooMailNeo@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
?
Tomorrow's game is a classic trap for the 'play up-play down' Cats I know and love. That being said, I have to believe that Fitz and the senior leaders know the stakes - win and you can expect a bowl bid. That should be enough motivation to keep the purple machine humming. Let the November to Remember continue.
?
In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'.

Minnesota: 17
Northwestern: 28
?
Victory & Honor,
Jim

From thiegs at umn.edu  Fri Nov 18 13:21:01 2011
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:21:01 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Columbia U. Band Banned from Final Game
In-Reply-To: <8CE738261587098-D3C-7FAF5@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE738261587098-D3C-7FAF5@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAFRy6pFugMgac85GKrm-yk6BJAbH0fg=H6q5MhhoDLx+izDCkg@mail.gmail.com>

Any list members who have not yet read "Rammer Jammer Yellow Hammer" by
Warren St. John really must do so.

See http://www.rammerjammeryellowhammer.com/wstjohn-book.htm

St. John grew up in Alabama as a Crimson Tide fan (as a preteen, even got a
picture with Bear Bryant near the end of his career).  He went away to
college at Columbia, where all his classmates thought him crazy because of
the degree to which college football mattered to him, and he couldn't
fathom how his classmates inexplicably didn't seem to care about
football--or sports in general--at all.  He mentions Columbia's and NU's
losing streaks early in the book.  He wrote this book as an attempt to
figure out what makes sports fans tick, and why it matters so much to some
people and so little to others.  It's a great, funny read.  If you've been
a college football fan for a while, you'll remember parts of the 1999-2000
season he chronicled and maybe some of the older games he references.

-Joe

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:55 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

>
> List Friends,
> As some of you may be aware, I attended Columbia University School of Law.
>  As a consequence, I thus matriculated at the two universities with the
> longest losing streets in FBS history.  That fact was brought home to me
> yet again when I read the following article from today's NY POST online:
> http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/columbia_bans_band_from_final_home_hIaVkDsEOjtn5TnRmccrYO
>
> The Columbia Administration has prohibited the Band from participating in
> the Lions' final home game this Saturday, due to their sarcastic (I would
> say hysterical) re-write of "Roar Lions Roar", Columbia's fight song.
>  Those of you who were in NUMB will probably appreciate this story the
> most.  All I know is that I was laughing out loud at my office desk when I
> read it.  The "new" lyrics are a scream (maybe a roar, too).
>
> I am proud to say that I could never bring myself to travel 100 blocks
> (about 5 miles) north of the Law School (on the Main Campus) to attend a
> Columbia football game--although I did have a good time watching the hoops
> team play.  Ivy League football just didn't make it for me, after watching
> the Big Ten at NU.
>
> Anyway, laugh away,
>
> Paul (Lion) Levinson
>
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From tmcadams at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 13:48:09 2011
From: tmcadams at yahoo.com (Trey McAdams)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:48:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 96 Team to be honored at Minnesota Game
Message-ID: <1321645689.70045.YahooMailNeo@web130222.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Why is the first we are hearing on this on LakeThePosts the day before the event?

I would be shocked if Barnett is not cheered wildly.

http://www.laketheposts.com/index.php/2011/11/hail-to-purples-hail-to-gary-barnett/

From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Fri Nov 18 13:48:06 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:48:06 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NCAA IS Investigating PSU
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu6JzZyQ6gp2npMi1C+K0MDJZu=cKdkuh_schxzdm+82-Q@mail.gmail.com>

http://live.psu.edu/story/56442

"I am writing to notify you that the NCAA will examine Penn State's
exercise of institutional control over its intercollegiate athletics
programs, as well as the actions, and inactions, of relevant responsible
personnel," Emmert wrote. "We recognize that there are ongoing federal and
state investigations and the NCAA does not intend to interfere with those
probes."

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu

From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Nov 18 14:27:03 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:27:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NCAA IS Investigating PSU
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu6JzZyQ6gp2npMi1C+K0MDJZu=cKdkuh_schxzdm+82-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111118202704.19DDE650CD@romaine.tssi.com>

> http://live.psu.edu/story/56442
> 
> "I am writing to notify you that the NCAA will examine Penn State's
> exercise of institutional control over its intercollegiate athletics
> programs, as well as the actions, and inactions, of relevant responsible
> personnel," Emmert wrote. "We recognize that there are ongoing federal and
> state investigations and the NCAA does not intend to interfere with those
> probes."

TWEET!  That's 15 yards for piling on!
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Nov 18 14:33:39 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:33:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Minnesota Prediction
In-Reply-To: <1321636427.42222.YahooMailNeo@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1321636427.42222.YahooMailNeo@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC066D7A@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I agree that we'll continue to see a focused group going about their business.  

The gophers are 26 places lower than us in FBS defense rankings.  We're both giving up about the same amount of passing yards, but we've got a lot more interceptions.  Our run defense is much better.  

We do a better job on returns.

We're fourth in the BT on Offense.  Minny is last.

So I think you are going to see a little more ground game from us, but otherwise hopefully another dominant showing a la Rice.

Jeff

Another Spackler quote, "To kill, you must know your enemy, and in this case my enemy is a varmint. And a varmint will never quit - ever. They're like the Viet Cong - Varmint Cong. So you have to fall back on superior intelligence and superior firepower. And that's all she wrote."

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:14 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] Minnesota Prediction

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
?
Tomorrow's game is a classic trap for the 'play up-play down' Cats I know and love. That being said, I have to believe that Fitz and the senior leaders know the stakes - win and you can expect a bowl bid. That should be enough motivation to keep the purple machine humming. Let the November to Remember continue.
?
In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'.

Minnesota: 17
Northwestern: 28
?
Victory & Honor,
Jim
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 18 15:05:40 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:05:40 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NCAA IS Investigating PSU
In-Reply-To: <20111118202704.19DDE650CD@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <CAAxRJu6JzZyQ6gp2npMi1C+K0MDJZu=cKdkuh_schxzdm+82-Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <20111118202704.19DDE650CD@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <002101cca635$d4f3b280$7edb1780$@com>

I believe it is typical of any failed project.

Once it has been deemed faulty, the piling on with punishment for the innocent will
commence.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 3:27 PM
To: Jonathan Hodges
Cc: NU Sports Listserv
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NCAA IS Investigating PSU

> http://live.psu.edu/story/56442
> 
> "I am writing to notify you that the NCAA will examine Penn State's
> exercise of institutional control over its intercollegiate athletics
> programs, as well as the actions, and inactions, of relevant responsible
> personnel," Emmert wrote. "We recognize that there are ongoing federal and
> state investigations and the NCAA does not intend to interfere with those
> probes."

TWEET!  That's 15 yards for piling on!
--
Mike Nolan

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 18 16:32:56 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:32:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats Win again
Message-ID: <000001cca642$05d2b890$117829b0$@com>

This time it was Crawford pacing the team.  With Shurna coming on in the 2nd half.

Wish these guys would blow someone out, and I wasn't too excited about the Cats shooting
.500 on FT's towards the end of the game.

rsl  

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 16:33:42 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:33:42 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats defeat Tulsa, 69-65
Message-ID: <CAN7senhxn6A0Tn_6Ppn+MX7_moNMgqc6r93Y1gCFH-7X0REKtQ@mail.gmail.com>

Crawford goes off for 28.

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Nov 18 16:32:41 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:32:41 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] On to the title game after beating Tulsa!
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375ECF9C9@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Sunday, Nov. 20, at 8:30 p.m. E on ESPNU.

20-point first half for Crawford, tight game throughout.  Impressive leadership by the freshman point guard Sobolewski.  Clutch Shurna.  Help from others.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 18 16:40:14 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:40:14 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] On to the title game after beating Tulsa!
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375ECF9C9@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375ECF9C9@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <000101cca643$0aeb6380$20c22a80$@com>

In the post game interview - BC said that Sobo is already coming off the floor with
suggestions - something that Juice didn't do until he was a Senior.

BC was also a little concerned about the lack of scoring by the big guys inside and you
saw Shurna in the key with the Centers out on the circle an awful lot at the end of the
game.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:33 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats (nwu-sports at tssi.com)
Subject: [NU Sports] On to the title game after beating Tulsa!

Sunday, Nov. 20, at 8:30 p.m. E on ESPNU.

20-point first half for Crawford, tight game throughout.  Impressive leadership by the
freshman point guard Sobolewski.  Clutch Shurna.  Help from others.
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Nov 18 22:56:19 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 04:56:19 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS Chaos
Message-ID: <561381001-1321678585-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-322337301-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

T Boone Picken's Cowboys get upset in Ames.  Now who will go to the championship game ?

SJT must love this one

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Nov 18 23:01:22 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 00:01:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS Madness
Message-ID: <8CE748F6A82DEDD-5D0-94B81@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com>


Well, gang, SJT now has his dream (or is it nightmare) scenario.  The BCS picture has become totally muddied with Okie State's upset loss to Iowa State in Double OT, 37-31.  LSU stands alone, and still faces a tough test with Arkansas, not to mention the SEC Championship Game, before its slot in the BCS Championship is secure.  At least 4 or 5 one-loss teams are going to claim "dibs" on the other BCS Championship slot, assuming LSU stays undefeated.  The lobbying that will go in, both in the media and behind the scenes, ought to make Congress look like a picnic.  It should be quite a ride to January.

Paul Levinson

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 18 23:12:15 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 21:12:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS! B-C-MESS!
Message-ID: <1321679535.55259.YahooMailNeo@web121704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Yes, it is the dream ... and the nightmare (because it all but assures a rematch for the title - either Quackers get beat up by LSU on Tiger Turf or Bama and LSU get to kick field goals for a yawner again).

The perfect storm scenario would have LSU losing -- hopefully to UGa, because if Petrino's Piggies did it, his ego would threaten to engulf the entire mid section of the nation).

But it really just shows that the Little XII is overrated by the computers every year. They're fun to watch with all the offense (or all the lack of defense), but they're just not in a league with the SEC or Big Ten. I'm sure UNL fans would agree that their road week in and week out this year is much tougher than it was in recent years.?

And, of course, it shows once again what an awful system the B(C)S is. They have lucked out a couple years with only two unbeatens and a clear 1 vs. 2 game -- but most years there's just too much controversy over who is the #2 team deserving of a shot to take the "title" game seriously. DEATH TO THE B(C)S!

On the plus side, this is probably good news for the Big Ten in their quest for two B(C)S bids (and hence good news for NU's bowl hopes if we can win tomorrow) ... the loser of OU/OSU, while no doubt still ranked in the top 3 by the computers, will probably drop pretty low in the polls -- and if it's Okie State at 10-2, with no real quality wins and few fans to fill seats, a 10-2 Nebraska team or 10-2 Michigan is looking better and better. Also, because the Bedlam winner won't be going to the title game, that means the Fiesta has gets the winner and would drool over an Oklahoma/Nebraska nostalgia game. Sure beats Okie State/Stanford in front of 20,000 empty seats.

So now we just gotta beat those Gophers tomorrow and watch the chaos slowly chip away at the last shreds of credibility for the B(C)S.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 23:15:09 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 00:15:09 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS Madness
In-Reply-To: <8CE748F6A82DEDD-5D0-94B81@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE748F6A82DEDD-5D0-94B81@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AD2DF7EA-AAFE-44FF-8F1B-76463EC81B19@gmail.com>

Just think the title game could be Arkansas v. Oregon.  Think that would thrill the worldwide leader? If it happens, how many job offers would Petrino consider before the fourth quarter?

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Nov 19, 2011, at 12:01 AM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> 
> Well, gang, SJT now has his dream (or is it nightmare) scenario.  The BCS picture has become totally muddied with Okie State's upset loss to Iowa State in Double OT, 37-31.  LSU stands alone, and still faces a tough test with Arkansas, not to mention the SEC Championship Game, before its slot in the BCS Championship is secure.  At least 4 or 5 one-loss teams are going to claim "dibs" on the other BCS Championship slot, assuming LSU stays undefeated.  The lobbying that will go in, both in the media and behind the scenes, ought to make Congress look like a picnic.  It should be quite a ride to January.
> 
> Paul Levinson
> _______________________________________________
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Nov 18 23:16:55 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 00:16:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Syracuse Hoops--Bernie Fine
Message-ID: <8CE7491969C8D72-5D0-94CBB@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com>


Twenty-four hours ago, as my Jets lay prostraate in Denver, being slain by the big, bad Tebow, I channel-surfed to ESPN and watched the Bernie Fine story break--in total shock and disbelief.  For, my friends, I know Bernie Fine--not well, but well enough.  He is the cousin of my closest friend, whom I met our first day on the job as young prosecutors in the Brooklyn DA's Office and with whom I used to share an apartment in Brooklyn back in the late '70's and early '80's--before we each got married.  I have been seated across the table from Bernie at  Passover Seders and  met him at other family events of my friend, and he even got us tickets years back to see St. Johns-Syracuse (at Alumni Hall on the St. John's campus, where we actually met Roosevelt Bowie, the 'Cuse star, after the game).  My impressions and recollections of Bernie, which were always favorable, are somewhat faded over the years, but are completely inconsistent with the heinous accusations being made against him.  I dearly want to believe that, as Jim Boeheim, who is standing foursquare behind Bernie, says, the alleged victims are lying, and that when their allegations were investigated some years back, all of the people they claimed would corroborate their stories did not do so in any respect.

This situation has really hit home and is weighing on me.  I have not yet spoken to my friend, although we have texted, and he knows I am supporting him and his family.  It is so surreal compared to the Sandusky miasma, as here it is not abstract and far away in a place formerly called "Happy Valley".  It is immediate, very immediate--at the University my daughter graduated from and involving not a name or some Coach I used to see roaming the sidelines on television, but a man I have prayed with, broken bread with, laughed with, and, if memory also serves, cried with, when my friend eulogized his father (Bernie's Uncle).

I am sure I will have more to say as the matter unfolds.

Paul Levinson

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 00:13:29 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 01:13:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Charleston Classic Final (Championship Game)
Message-ID: <8CE74997DA51B0D-83C-B2A01@webmail-m016.sysops.aol.com>


Well, it's a match-up of NU vs. Seton Hall (which beat St. Joseph's to reach the final this evening).  Interestingly, Virginia Commonwealth, last year's Cinderalla at "The Dance", was knocked out in first round.

I was among the (un)fortunate, along with then-President Henry Bienen, who saw NU play Seton Hall at the Meadowlands (Izod Center) about 3 years ago. That game set back the game of basketball to the era of James Naismith and peach baskets.  Although we went down 15-2 early, we came back and won the contest, which was butt ugly.  Hopefully, this Sunday's game will be well-played and NU will again emerge triumphant.

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 19 00:22:50 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 00:22:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS Madness
In-Reply-To: <8CE748F6A82DEDD-5D0-94B81@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111119062250.7908C65055@romaine.tssi.com>

> It should be quite a ride to January.

The Cunard line used to advertise, "Getting there is half the fun".

I have my suspicion that this year the journey to the 'national championship'
game will be far more interesting than the game itself, almost no matter
who eventually plays in it.  (Right now I don't really care who plays or
who wins.)  

It has been a frenetic 24 hours in sports.  Every time the 'breaking news'
banner comes up on ESPN I flinch, thinking "now what??"

The Oklahoma State tragedy, the Syracuse situation, Paterno's lung cancer,
baseball's handshake deal (wassamatta with you NBA people??) and now
the BCS is in turmoil.  

BTW, did people catch the ESPN story about how the BCS is thinking 
of switching to just a #1 vs #2 deal, letting the other bowls do their 
own thing?  That may be precursor to going to a +1 championship game 
or even a final 4 playoff.  TV would pay BILLIONS for that!

I guess we'll never know just how much the OSU tragedy affected the
team, but I can say from years of experience in the Big 8 and Big 12
that Iowa State has been the fly in the ointment more than a few time,
even if this their first-ever win against a #2 team in 19 tries.
And they still have two games left against currently-rated teams!

Who knows what strange things will happen tomorrow?

"Tomorrow we'll discover what our God in heaven has in store!"
--
Mike Nolan


From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 06:42:51 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 07:42:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Charleston Classic Final (Championship Game)
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Paul,


   Coming from a New York, NU and Columbia educated lawyer calling anything "butt ugly" I drew the conclusion that....it was pretty damn ugly.  I remember you fussing about how lousy that game was, what with how excited you were to see our beloved Cats so close to home.  Years ago I remember my Eagles beating Detroit 11-6 (not a misprint) in a game which featured as many penalties as yards (OK, a bit of an exaggeration).


   I'm still on board if we go 6-6 that we end up in New York or DC as an at-large pick.  But first things first; we get by Minnesota with a 31-24 win.  GO CATS!!   Eric


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Sent: Fri, Nov 18, 2011 8:13 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Charleston Classic Final (Championship Game)



Well, it's a match-up of NU vs. Seton Hall (which beat St. Joseph's to reach the 
final this evening).  Interestingly, Virginia Commonwealth, last year's 
Cinderalla at "The Dance", was knocked out in first round.

I was among the (un)fortunate, along with then-President Henry Bienen, who saw 
NU play Seton Hall at the Meadowlands (Izod Center) about 3 years ago. That game 
set back the game of basketball to the era of James Naismith and peach baskets.  
Although we went down 15-2 early, we came back and won the contest, which was 
butt ugly.  Hopefully, this Sunday's game will be well-played and NU will again 
emerge triumphant.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 19 11:17:23 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:17:23 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] uhhh, any D out there?
Message-ID: <000001cca6df$1b10b7a0$513226e0$@com>

Both teams go down field like a hot knife in butter....

7-7

rsl

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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 19 11:44:46 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:44:46 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Will today be Colter's Hat Trick?
Message-ID: <000101cca6e2$ee7b4ee0$cb71eca0$@com>

He's got the receiving TD, now to pass for one, and run one in from scrimmage....

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 11:48:18 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:48:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Q1 ...
Message-ID: <1321724898.7318.YahooMailNeo@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Now THAT'S how you start a football game, Cats.

Keep up the aggression and nice play mix on offense.

And keep hoping the Gophers have butterfingers, defense.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 12:50:16 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:50:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Just when it looks like we turned the corner ...
Message-ID: <1321728616.74180.YahooMailNeo@web121716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Focused offense, better tackling ... pfft.

All gone in the second quarter (when we HAD the wind?!?!) ... we went away from the aggressive mix on offense and fell back into the prevent run-run-pass on 3rd and long pattern that killed any momentum and the D started air tackling again after the turnover by Persa.

WAKE UP CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 12:58:00 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 10:58:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] So what do we do after the turnover ...
Message-ID: <1321729080.5665.YahooMailNeo@web121717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Run for 1 yard
Pass on 2nd and long and a quick sack
Short dump pass on 3rd down for 2 yards

Pfft.

Did the Mick McCall from the last couple weeks who kept defenses off balance take a coffee break after the first quarter and his early season replacement returned?

You can't go into prevent after one quarter and hang this on the defense.

Get going, Cats!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From cherron604 at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 07:52:30 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Charles Herron)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 08:52:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] It may make me a bad fan, but...
Message-ID: <8CE74D99D509865-7D4-A0F09@webmail-m032.sysops.aol.com>

I need someone smarter than me and trusted this time of year, to tell me what is in the best interests of the Big Ten, and hence my beloved Wildcats.  Thankfully I have Adam Rittenberg, who told me earlier Friday to root for:

"Iowa State to beat Oklahoma State and Baylor to beat Oklahoma. Losses by the Big 12's top two teams Saturday would virtually ensure the league gets only one team to a BCS bowl."

Well lo and behold, Iowa State did it.  Not sure if Baylor will help also, but maybe.  Though it may spread chaos, and give us a rematch between hated Alabama and despised LSU, I don't care about those things.  I care only about Fitz' men and the Big Ten Conference, so it appears that this upset, coupled with us beating the evil Gophers today, is indeed a good thing.

Hooray and congratulations, Cyclones !

Chuck Herron  Tech '85   

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 19 13:13:06 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 13:13:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Get the #### officials out of the way!
Message-ID: <20111119191306.A4128650E9@romaine.tssi.com>

The officials just gave Minnesota a first down by acting as a screen.
:sigh:
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 13:17:20 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:17:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] This is starting to look like a midseason game ...
Message-ID: <1321730240.38334.YahooMailNeo@web121709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

We jump out to a big lead.

The offense goes into a shell

The defense gets tired with the 3-and-outs by the O and can't tackle.

Nor can they stop anyone on 3rd down.

All of a sudden, it's a close game in the fourth quarter and we have no momentum.

NICE interception by Peters as I write this, but the O needs to get going in a hurry.
It's not just about "tempo," coaches, it's about play calling!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 13:27:49 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:27:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Around the league ...
Message-ID: <1321730869.13412.YahooMailNeo@web121717.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

While NU tries to play a four-corners offense for three quarters to hold on to a quick 21 points, some other action around the league ...

* MICHIGAN is on fire and steamrolling Nebraska, 31-10. It's a bit surprising, but certainly a win here and a big win over OSU next week would make a 10-2 Michigan a very attractive B(C)S at large team. It would also give Sparty the Northwest Division title, which MIGHT mean they aren't as focused next week ... fingers crossed.

* As for the other upset, shoulda known the Zookers would choke and WISCONSIN now has the lead - looks like the four-way catastrophe for Purdue trying for the title and heading to Indy will have to wait. :)

* SPARTY looks focused. Wish we came out with that same intensity for more than one quarter.

* And I guess the IOWA beatdown of Purdue helps our cause as well, making the Boilers look like a less appealing 6-6 bowl team (not to mention they have more empty seats in Ross Ade today than we have).

So we start off this latest drive with two passes and LOOK WHAT HAPPENS ... First and Goal.

Keep it up, Cats!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Nov 19 13:31:38 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:31:38 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Why?
Message-ID: <A2C63FDB1F7C44EF9269C9AEC2A0FF11@dennismachine>

We have third down and five and one of the country's best quarterbacks in the lineup along with a quality wide receiver and tight end.  So, our strategy is to . . . take out that quarterback and . . . run the ball?

So, you return that quarterback to the game on fourth down, and he throws the first-down pass we should have thrown on third down.  I do not get that offensive play call in that situation.  In fact, it seems downright dumb.

Also strange:  28 points going into the wind and zero going with it?  

Good score!  That should cinch it unless there is a disaster of Titanic proportions.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 19 13:34:14 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:34:14 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Uptempo Offense
Message-ID: <000101cca6f2$394966f0$abdc34d0$@com>

I don't care how much we're up and how much time is left...

We need to get the ball back now, and run another Looong uptempo drive and close this game
out.

rsl

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from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 19 13:35:07 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:35:07 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Get the #### officials out of the way!
In-Reply-To: <20111119191306.A4128650E9@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111119191306.A4128650E9@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <000501cca6f2$58ae82f0$0a0b88d0$@com>

Another 12th man...

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:13 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Get the #### officials out of the way!

The officials just gave Minnesota a first down by acting as a screen.
:sigh:
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 13:57:00 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:57:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Good win, Cats!
Message-ID: <1321732620.42054.YahooMailNeo@web121714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Another solid win - good special teams play, decent defense for the most part and offensive brilliance in spurts ... still need that consistency on offense, and better tackling on D - but that's two straight 20ish - 10ish wins, unlike our usual 54-51 style.

Four wins in a row, five bowl-eligible seasons in a row and a strong character finish after that 5-game losing streak.

Now let's finish out strong at home next week and finally get over that big green mental block of recent years to clinch the postseason!

GO CATS!!! BEAT SPARTY!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 19 14:07:10 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 15:07:10 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl Eligible, now we need one more
Message-ID: <000901cca6f6$d2b5fed0$7821fc70$@com>

3 fast TD's and NU then slowed down the O.

When they needed a 4th score, they went back to the fast tempo game and moved down the
field again.

Either Persa isn't good at reading the Defenses, or Minny managed to disguise what they
were doing. In any case, film day will be another "learning experience" for both sides of
the ball. 

Our WR's still don't seem to come back for passes when the QB is in trouble. Maybe they
stress running the full route too much? There's a fine line there, but Persa's INT today
was another WR not making an, albeit tough, catch.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
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------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 14:12:58 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 12:12:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] BEAT SPARTY!!!
Message-ID: <1321733578.80165.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

OK, we owe MSU for the last few years ... and they won't have as much to play for now that they won the division. Let's come out on fire and keep it up for four quarters and BEAT SPARTY next week to cap off the season and ensure a bowl bid!

So quick roundup of bowl hopes ...

NORTHWEST DIVISION
- MSU: Next week is meaningless. They won't get a B(C)S bid, so it's win in Indy and smell Roses or Florida again.
- Michigan: LOTS on the line next week. Not only a chance to beat the big Scarlet menace for the first time in a LONG time, but they're playing to finish the season strong and get a B(C)S berth (and possible coach of the year for Hoke).
- Nebraska/Iowa: Not much to play for in the first "Farmageddon" except pride and bowl positioning. Phoenix probably gets the winner.
- Northwestern: LOTS to play for next week, including Sparty payback and ensuring a bowl position. 6-6 just might not cut it.
- Minnesota: We need to cheer for them to beat Illinois so the Illini finish 6-6 on a 6-game losing skid and are lower than us in bowl desirability.

SOUTHEAST DIVISION
- Wisconsin/PSU: It's all on the line in Madison for a trip to Indy and it's the only way either is getting in a B(C)S bowl.
- OSU: Still LOTS to play for - could wind up in Indy if they win tonight and beat Michigan next week while Wisky wins at home, plus could move up in bowl pecking order since sanctions probably won't come this year.
- Purdue: NEED a win next week to get to 6-6.
- Illinois: NEED a win next week to stop the bleeding.
- Indiana: All they have left is the bucket ... and we gotta hope the Hoosiers win to help our case.

So we're cheering for Indiana, Minnesota and Michigan next week for our bowl hopes ... and of course the main mission is to BEAT SPARTY!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Nov 19 15:19:27 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 16:19:27 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Kirk Herbstreit
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22492@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Said on Game Day that the perfect successor to Paterno for PSU would be Pat Fitzgerald, if PSU could lure him to come.

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 15:32:25 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 16:32:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] question for Harry
Message-ID: <a4f.5d30129d.3bf97a69@aol.com>

Where's a good place to go for New Year's eve?

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 15:41:00 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 13:41:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] BEAT SPARTY!!!
In-Reply-To: <1321733578.80165.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321733578.80165.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1321738860.16221.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Correction - OSU can't win the division anymore. Forgot about that Purdue loss. Smug Smirk vs. PSU for the east title.

But still a lot for OSU to play for with the Michigan game and the Michigan streak. You know they'd love to spoil Big Blue's B(C)S hopes.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:12 PM
Subject: BEAT SPARTY!!!
 

OK, we owe MSU for the last few years ... and they won't have as much to play for now that they won the division. Let's come out on fire and keep it up for four quarters and BEAT SPARTY next week to cap off the season and ensure a bowl bid!

So quick roundup of bowl hopes ...

NORTHWEST DIVISION
- MSU: Next week is meaningless. They won't get a B(C)S bid, so it's win in Indy and smell Roses or Florida again.
- Michigan: LOTS on the line next week. Not only a chance to beat the big Scarlet menace for the first time in a LONG time, but they're playing to finish the season strong and get a B(C)S berth (and possible coach of the year for Hoke).
- Nebraska/Iowa: Not much to play for in the first "Farmageddon" except pride and bowl positioning. Phoenix probably gets the winner.
- Northwestern: LOTS to play for next week, including Sparty payback and ensuring a bowl position. 6-6 just might not cut it.
- Minnesota: We need to cheer for them to beat Illinois so the Illini finish 6-6 on a 6-game losing skid and are lower than us in bowl desirability.

SOUTHEAST DIVISION
- Wisconsin/PSU: It's all on the line in Madison for a trip to Indy and it's the only way either is getting in a B(C)S bowl.
- OSU: Still LOTS to play for - could wind up in Indy if they win tonight and beat Michigan next week while Wisky wins at home, plus could move up in bowl pecking order since sanctions probably won't come this year.
- Purdue: NEED a win next week to get to 6-6.
- Illinois: NEED a win next week to stop the bleeding.
- Indiana: All they have left is the bucket ... and we gotta hope the Hoosiers win to help our case.

So we're cheering for Indiana, Minnesota and Michigan next week for our bowl hopes ... and of course the main mission is to BEAT SPARTY!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 19 16:30:00 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:30:00 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] BEAT SPARTY!!!
In-Reply-To: <1321738860.16221.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321733578.80165.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <1321738860.16221.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000d01cca70a$c708b550$551a1ff0$@com>

The best thing for the Cats next week is for Sparty to figure we're "just another Indy" on
their way to the title game.

The worse thing for the Cats is that idea is true.

November to Remember isn't quite done yet - we need a "turkey" from Sparty, then Fitz will
have his N2R. 

All that PSU talk will only serve to get NU to start really planning for that lakefront
practice facility for the football team, but does that mean ALL of the athletic dept moves
over there? What about the new educational support building or does Central Ave. remain
Baseball/Softball/Basketball....

Of course they keep hoping for a lakefront football stadium....

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT
(Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:41 PM
To: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BEAT SPARTY!!!

Correction - OSU can't win the division anymore. Forgot about that Purdue loss. Smug Smirk
vs. PSU for the east title.

But still a lot for OSU to play for with the Michigan game and the Michigan streak. You
know they'd love to spoil Big Blue's B(C)S hopes.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:12 PM
Subject: BEAT SPARTY!!!
 

OK, we owe MSU for the last few years ... and they won't have as much to play for now that
they won the division. Let's come out on fire and keep it up for four quarters and BEAT
SPARTY next week to cap off the season and ensure a bowl bid!

So quick roundup of bowl hopes ...

NORTHWEST DIVISION
- MSU: Next week is meaningless. They won't get a B(C)S bid, so it's win in Indy and smell
Roses or Florida again.
- Michigan: LOTS on the line next week. Not only a chance to beat the big Scarlet menace
for the first time in a LONG time, but they're playing to finish the season strong and get
a B(C)S berth (and possible coach of the year for Hoke).
- Nebraska/Iowa: Not much to play for in the first "Farmageddon" except pride and bowl
positioning. Phoenix probably gets the winner.
- Northwestern: LOTS to play for next week, including Sparty payback and ensuring a bowl
position. 6-6 just might not cut it.
- Minnesota: We need to cheer for them to beat Illinois so the Illini finish 6-6 on a
6-game losing skid and are lower than us in bowl desirability.

SOUTHEAST DIVISION
- Wisconsin/PSU: It's all on the line in Madison for a trip to Indy and it's the only way
either is getting in a B(C)S bowl.
- OSU: Still LOTS to play for - could wind up in Indy if they win tonight and beat
Michigan next week while Wisky wins at home, plus could move up in bowl pecking order
since sanctions probably won't come this year.
- Purdue: NEED a win next week to get to 6-6.
- Illinois: NEED a win next week to stop the bleeding.
- Indiana: All they have left is the bucket ... and we gotta hope the Hoosiers win to help
our case.

So we're cheering for Indiana, Minnesota and Michigan next week for our bowl hopes ... and
of course the main mission is to BEAT SPARTY!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 16:32:23 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:32:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] BEAT SPARTY!!!
In-Reply-To: <000d01cca70a$c708b550$551a1ff0$@com>
References: <1321733578.80165.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <1321738860.16221.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <000d01cca70a$c708b550$551a1ff0$@com>
Message-ID: <1321741943.91420.YahooMailNeo@web121716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Here's hoping we channel that old Seinfeld episode and treat the entire MSU team to LOTS of turkey on Thanksgiving ... and then LOTS of turkey leftovers Friday and even some Turkey omelettes Saturday morning. Zzzzzzzz. :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: 'SjT (Stephen J. Truog)' <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; 'NUSPORTS' <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 3:30 PM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] BEAT SPARTY!!!
 
The best thing for the Cats next week is for Sparty to figure we're "just another Indy" on
their way to the title game.

The worse thing for the Cats is that idea is true.

November to Remember isn't quite done yet - we need a "turkey" from Sparty, then Fitz will
have his N2R. 

All that PSU talk will only serve to get NU to start really planning for that lakefront
practice facility for the football team, but does that mean ALL of the athletic dept moves
over there? What about the new educational support building or does Central Ave. remain
Baseball/Softball/Basketball....

Of course they keep hoping for a lakefront football stadium....

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
? Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT
(Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 4:41 PM
To: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BEAT SPARTY!!!

Correction - OSU can't win the division anymore. Forgot about that Purdue loss. Smug Smirk
vs. PSU for the east title.

But still a lot for OSU to play for with the Michigan game and the Michigan streak. You
know they'd love to spoil Big Blue's B(C)S hopes.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 1:12 PM
Subject: BEAT SPARTY!!!


OK, we owe MSU for the last few years ... and they won't have as much to play for now that
they won the division. Let's come out on fire and keep it up for four quarters and BEAT
SPARTY next week to cap off the season and ensure a bowl bid!

So quick roundup of bowl hopes ...

NORTHWEST DIVISION
- MSU: Next week is meaningless. They won't get a B(C)S bid, so it's win in Indy and smell
Roses or Florida again.
- Michigan: LOTS on the line next week. Not only a chance to beat the big Scarlet menace
for the first time in a LONG time, but they're playing to finish the season strong and get
a B(C)S berth (and possible coach of the year for Hoke).
- Nebraska/Iowa: Not much to play for in the first "Farmageddon" except pride and bowl
positioning. Phoenix probably gets the winner.
- Northwestern: LOTS to play for next week, including Sparty payback and ensuring a bowl
position. 6-6 just might not cut it.
- Minnesota: We need to cheer for them to beat Illinois so the Illini finish 6-6 on a
6-game losing skid and are lower than us in bowl desirability.

SOUTHEAST DIVISION
- Wisconsin/PSU: It's all on the line in Madison for a trip to Indy and it's the only way
either is getting in a B(C)S bowl.
- OSU: Still LOTS to play for - could wind up in Indy if they win tonight and beat
Michigan next week while Wisky wins at home, plus could move up in bowl pecking order
since sanctions probably won't come this year.
- Purdue: NEED a win next week to get to 6-6.
- Illinois: NEED a win next week to stop the bleeding.
- Indiana: All they have left is the bucket ... and we gotta hope the Hoosiers win to help
our case.

So we're cheering for Indiana, Minnesota and Michigan next week for our bowl hopes ... and
of course the main mission is to BEAT SPARTY!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 16:41:47 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:41:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] After this week's games ...
Message-ID: <1321742507.12172.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... you have to wonder if the people who wanted PSU punished last week shouldn't have been arguing FOR playing the game.

With a week's distance to gather their thoughts after the chaos, PSU's players seem to be playing their best game of the year in Columbus today on offense.
And Nebraska didn't look too good today in the Big House.


Whoever wins next week in Madison, it should be a pretty good inaugural title game.?

Coming down to PSU/Wisky on the east side is not much of a surprise and the scheduling works out perfectly (and gives us an example of how having a playoff would NOT take away from the regular season -- the games these past couple weeks have been every bit as meaningful as the race has shaped up ... and next week's game in Camp Randall will be as big as it gets with a title game berth on the line ... plus now you have a playoff after those games to decide a champ on the field for Pasadena instead of leaving it up to tiebreaks and who's been to Pasadena most recently).

The Sparty side is a bit of a surprise ... I didn't think MSU would have the mental toughness to make it through the year, but they appear to be fueled after being the odd man out last year and on a mission. As for Nebraska, I'm not sure whether it's the Huskers being a bit overrated or the adjustment of having to play a Big Ten schedule week in and week out (and a pretty tough schedule at that) ... but much like PSU's 1993 entry into the league, the experts were wrong about the new kid coming in to dominate the rest on the block. Of course, PSU stormed back with a vengeance in 1994, so maybe the Huskers will be on a roll next year.

PSU-MSU would be a renewal of a somewhat decent rivalry and MSU-Wisky would be Hail Mary II and lots of bad blood. Should be fun!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 19 16:42:59 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:42:59 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] question for Harry
In-Reply-To: <a4f.5d30129d.3bf97a69@aol.com>
References: <a4f.5d30129d.3bf97a69@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAHChqvgkaarn_3fuaQODqUwXorDn-=wQ-x6=MEX3eKzTR-FFrw@mail.gmail.com>

Are you perhaps relying on the prediction for NU's bowl to be the Kraft
Fight Hunger in San Francisco on NYE? If that happens, I think Harry and I,
and any other list members in the area, might be able to find some fun for
all who attend from the list. Boy, would it be nice to take public
transportation to a bowl game rather than the usual multi-stop flights of
the past two years.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:32 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:

> Where's a good place to go for New Year's eve?
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 16:52:02 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:52:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] question for Harry
Message-ID: <2dc4d.6c6546dc.3bf98d12@aol.com>

yes that was a teaser, CBS has us projected to be in 'Frisco Dec. 31, beats 
 Detroit

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 19 16:52:00 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:52:00 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] question for Harry
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvgkaarn_3fuaQODqUwXorDn-=wQ-x6=MEX3eKzTR-FFrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a4f.5d30129d.3bf97a69@aol.com>
 <CAHChqvgkaarn_3fuaQODqUwXorDn-=wQ-x6=MEX3eKzTR-FFrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401cca70d$d9efb300$8dcf1900$@com>

New Year's Eve in San Francisco?

That sounds like a Major Party! 

"Break out the Beer, the heck with the game." (alternative words to N**** D*** fight song)

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Zeller, M.D.
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 5:43 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] question for Harry

Are you perhaps relying on the prediction for NU's bowl to be the Kraft
Fight Hunger in San Francisco on NYE? If that happens, I think Harry and I,
and any other list members in the area, might be able to find some fun for
all who attend from the list. Boy, would it be nice to take public
transportation to a bowl game rather than the usual multi-stop flights of
the past two years.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:32 PM, <MHRJGScott at aol.com> wrote:

> Where's a good place to go for New Year's eve?
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 17:38:36 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:38:36 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] After this week's games ...
In-Reply-To: <1321742507.12172.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321742507.12172.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <760970160-1321745896-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1212885887-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

If 'Cats beat MSU next week--a huge task--and OSU loses to Mich. and the Zookers lose to Minny, we will have better record at 7-5 than Bucks and Illinim. And we will be 4-4 in conference.  

I know some will be unhappy with that, but given where we were a month ago, I will be ecstatic.   By the way, Illini are now 2-5 in conference, while Bucks are 3-4, same as NU.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:41:47 
To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] After this week's games ...

... you have to wonder if the people who wanted PSU punished last week shouldn't have been arguing FOR playing the game.

With a week's distance to gather their thoughts after the chaos, PSU's players seem to be playing their best game of the year in Columbus today on offense.
And Nebraska didn't look too good today in the Big House.


Whoever wins next week in Madison, it should be a pretty good inaugural title game.?

Coming down to PSU/Wisky on the east side is not much of a surprise and the scheduling works out perfectly (and gives us an example of how having a playoff would NOT take away from the regular season -- the games these past couple weeks have been every bit as meaningful as the race has shaped up ... and next week's game in Camp Randall will be as big as it gets with a title game berth on the line ... plus now you have a playoff after those games to decide a champ on the field for Pasadena instead of leaving it up to tiebreaks and who's been to Pasadena most recently).

The Sparty side is a bit of a surprise ... I didn't think MSU would have the mental toughness to make it through the year, but they appear to be fueled after being the odd man out last year and on a mission. As for Nebraska, I'm not sure whether it's the Huskers being a bit overrated or the adjustment of having to play a Big Ten schedule week in and week out (and a pretty tough schedule at that) ... but much like PSU's 1993 entry into the league, the experts were wrong about the new kid coming in to dominate the rest on the block. Of course, PSU stormed back with a vengeance in 1994, so maybe the Huskers will be on a roll next year.

PSU-MSU would be a renewal of a somewhat decent rivalry and MSU-Wisky would be Hail Mary II and lots of bad blood. Should be fun!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 17:43:56 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 18:43:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Post-Game Quote
Message-ID: <8CE752C3CF8C8C4-1A70-9841A@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com>


Jerry Kill just made a semi-fan out of me, with this classy quote after the game, especially the part about Fitz:

Minnesota Head Coach Jerry Kill

General comments on today's game...
"I congratulate Coach Fitzgerald and Northwestern on the victory, they've got a good football team and they played hard. They made more plays than we did at the end of the day and held field position and executed. So I congratulate him, he's done a great job here, he's a good man who represents college football very well." 

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 19 17:53:55 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 17:53:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Post-Game Quote
In-Reply-To: <8CE752C3CF8C8C4-1A70-9841A@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111119235355.BB5F465100@romaine.tssi.com>

> Jerry Kill just made a semi-fan out of me, with this classy quote after the game, especially the part about Fitz:

Jerry Kill is a very classy and very successful coach, and I think he'll 
turn Minnesota around.  That'll make the Big Ten even more competitive 
top-to-bottom.  Could 11 of 12 teams get to bowl eligibility?  Has
any 12 team conference ever achieved that?

Indiana, well, that's a MAJOR turnaround task, and I'm not sure if
Kevin Wilson is up to it.  
--
Mike Nolan


From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 19 18:22:23 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Marilyn Bendat)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 16:22:23 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] After this week's games ...
Message-ID: <8953562.1321748543976.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

And, if we win, we'll also wind up tied in our division with the loser of the Iowa-Nebraska game. After the 5-game skid, how can any of us not be pleased with the improvement we've seen?! With next week's game meaning nothing for MSU, there's no reason for us not to go out there and win it - particularly for Persa, Ebert and the other seniors.

One more thing -- there's a poignant segment on the main page of btn.com dealing with Brian Peters. Well worth checking out.

Jim B.

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>To: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>, NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] After this week's games ...
>
>If 'Cats beat MSU next week--a huge task--and OSU loses to Mich. and the Zookers lose to Minny, we will have better record at 7-5 than Bucks and Illinim. And we will be 4-4 in conference.  
>
>I know some will be unhappy with that, but given where we were a month ago, I will be ecstatic.   By the way, Illini are now 2-5 in conference, while Bucks are 3-4, same as NU.
>Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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>-----Original Message-----
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>Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:41:47 
>To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [NU Sports] After this week's games ...
>
>... you have to wonder if the people who wanted PSU punished last week shouldn't have been arguing FOR playing the game.
>
>With a week's distance to gather their thoughts after the chaos, PSU's players seem to be playing their best game of the year in Columbus today on offense.
>And Nebraska didn't look too good today in the Big House.
>
>
>Whoever wins next week in Madison, it should be a pretty good inaugural title game.?
>
>Coming down to PSU/Wisky on the east side is not much of a surprise and the scheduling works out perfectly (and gives us an example of how having a playoff would NOT take away from the regular season -- the games these past couple weeks have been every bit as meaningful as the race has shaped up ... and next week's game in Camp Randall will be as big as it gets with a title game berth on the line ... plus now you have a playoff after those games to decide a champ on the field for Pasadena instead of leaving it up to tiebreaks and who's been to Pasadena most recently).
>
>The Sparty side is a bit of a surprise ... I didn't think MSU would have the mental toughness to make it through the year, but they appear to be fueled after being the odd man out last year and on a mission. As for Nebraska, I'm not sure whether it's the Huskers being a bit overrated or the adjustment of having to play a Big Ten schedule week in and week out (and a pretty tough schedule at that) ... but much like PSU's 1993 entry into the league, the experts were wrong about the new kid coming in to dominate the rest on the block. Of course, PSU stormed back with a vengeance in 1994, so maybe the Huskers will be on a roll next year.
>
>PSU-MSU would be a renewal of a somewhat decent rivalry and MSU-Wisky would be Hail Mary II and lots of bad blood. Should be fun!
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>
>?
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog at yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 19 20:28:16 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:28:16 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Post-Game Quote
In-Reply-To: <20111119235355.BB5F465100@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <8CE752C3CF8C8C4-1A70-9841A@webmail-m017.sysops.aol.com>
 <20111119235355.BB5F465100@romaine.tssi.com>
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Wilson has the offensive "chops" to pull it off, and he's got a good cadre of young
players.

Now he has to do what he helped RW do at Miami and NU, keep building, recruiting, and
eventually he'll turn it around. (or they'll fire him and someone else will try to do it
in 4 or 5 years).

My question would be will Wilson stick around that long, or will he get a few good years
and jump somewhere else.... ?

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2011 6:54 PM
To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Post-Game Quote

> Jerry Kill just made a semi-fan out of me, with this classy quote after the game,
especially the part about Fitz:

Jerry Kill is a very classy and very successful coach, and I think he'll 
turn Minnesota around.  That'll make the Big Ten even more competitive 
top-to-bottom.  Could 11 of 12 teams get to bowl eligibility?  Has
any 12 team conference ever achieved that?

Indiana, well, that's a MAJOR turnaround task, and I'm not sure if
Kevin Wilson is up to it.  
--
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 20:50:54 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 18:50:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Latest B(C)S Guess (& Big Ten Bowls) ...
Message-ID: <1321757454.23848.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

OK ... I think we've all seen enough of SC pushing around the Quackers tonight to cringe at the thought of big bully LSU with their home crowd beating up the Ducks. Oregon's gimmick offense works in the Pac 12 with their speed edge, but they're just not big or tough enough for big league ball. The Buckeyes and Tigers have shown it in recent years, and Stanford might too if they could find a defense.

So that leaves the following bowl scenario ...

TITLE: Louisiana State vs. Alabama - The rematch nobody wants. Zzzzzzz. I'll root for Bama just to see the outrage of a team that didn't even win its league and lost at home to LSU now beats LSU to win the title. Maybe that would prompt some sort of "only conference champs in the title game" clause?

ROSE: Wisconsin vs. Oregon - Good matchup of speed vs. power and two coaches whose egos know no bounds - if the Smug Smirk sticks with the game plan, Bucky should wear 'em down.

SUGAR: Michigan vs. Houston - Here's where it gets tricky ... the Sugar would get the first choice as their champ (SEC) was taken and without another SEC team to pick, they would have a choice between Stanford (no fans), Houston/TCU (no fans), the Bedlam loser (Okie State?) and Michigan. They could go for the Pickens' payday, but how can you pass up a traditional power like Michigan with fans itching to return to a big-time game and a full house and big ratings? For the second pick, it's between Houston and the Big Least survivor. I think the Cougars/Wolverines would be a fun shootout to see.

ORANGE: Clemson vs. Rutgers - The Tigers' inexplicable loss today should end any threat of two ACC B(C)S teams or title game talk - but they do know how to beat the Hokies. For their opponent, the Orange gets stuck with the Big Least champ this year, winner TBA by a slam dunk contest perhaps?

FIESTA: Oklahoma vs. Stanford - The Fiesta will take the Bedlam winner, meaning they won't take the loser as well. If the Sugar passes on Michigan, you'd have to think they'd love them over the Cardinal, but instead settle for a matchup of quarterbacks in the desert.

CITRUS: Nebraska vs. Georgia - The Huskers probably get Orlando despite some bad losses (two by bad margins, one looks bad being at home to NU) because Sparty was there last year and UNL brings more fans and intrigue. Pair up the Huskers with the Dawgs and you continue the tradition of the Citrus having better matchups than half the B(C)S bowls.

OUTBACK: Michigan State vs. South Carolina - Sparty falls here with no B(C)S bid or return trip to Orlando ... could be against the Gators or Auburn if SC goes to the Peach Bowl.

INSIGHT: Ohio State vs. Kansas State - With no double bid for the Little XII, KSU drops here and we get a rematch of that Fiesta Bowl from about a decade ago.

GATOR: Penn State vs. Florida - PSU falls a bit, but the Gator needs to fill seats and could have a crowd for these two big names that outdraws all of the Jaguars games this year combined.

TEXAS: Iowa vs. Missouri - Border battle in Houston? Iowa gets here becuase of their draw over the other candidates for selling tickets (and the Illini were here last year).

DALLAS: Purdue vs. Baylor - The Cats went to Dallas last year, and the Illini are on a collapse, so the folks here go with the Boilers and Bears for a wild shootout.

MOTOR CITY: Illinois vs. Northern Illinois - State rivals collide in Motown.

I think we're still the odd team out unless we can win next week and move ahead of the 6-6 teams. We don't have the following of Iowa, the mythical Chicago ratings ties of Ill-noise and we were in Dallas last year.
But, as these bowl predictions have shown, that could be good news - with Hawaii, San Francisco and NYC among the possible sites in need of teams to fill their bowls. Of course, it also could mean Boise. :)

GO CATS!!! BEAT SPARTY!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J.
 TRUOG
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Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Nov 19 22:18:03 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 20:18:03 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Anybody catch the end of VA-FSU?
Message-ID: <42339E3D-6F4B-4843-82DB-42B03030A3B3@me.com>

I swear I was watching the Soviet Union vs. USA basketball in 1972. Barking?! Can't believe they didn't review the missed field goal.

And I turn back just in time to see a USC fumble?And Baylor?! Crazy night!

Jason Singer
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 19 22:44:12 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 22:44:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Anybody catch the end of VA-FSU?
In-Reply-To: <42339E3D-6F4B-4843-82DB-42B03030A3B3@me.com>
Message-ID: <20111120044412.83876610F3@romaine.tssi.com>

So, #2 OSU lost last night, #4 Oregon lost today, #5 Oklahoma is losing 
but it is now just a one-score game.  

LSU vs. Alabama is beginning to look like a foregone conclusion,
unless there's fruit basket upset in the SEC's future.

11-0 Houston (#11) may start picking up some support from the few
'Anybody but a rematch with Alabama' folks among the voters.  

Tennessee beat Vandy on a Pick-6 in overtime with replay overturning 
the call on the field, keeping their bowl hopes alive.  

Baylor may have the play of the day, a tipped pass that went another 10-15
yards before the deeper receiver caught it and went in for the score.
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 22:46:17 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 04:46:17 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Anybody catch the end of VA-FSU?
Message-ID: <1526869827-1321764356-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-424918357-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

If Baylor somehow hangs on, then the BCS top 3 should be LSU, Bama, and the Razorbacks--all SEC--although that will, of course, change next week when Hogs meet Tigers.
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Subject: [NU Sports] Anybody catch the end of VA-FSU?
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I swear I was watching the Soviet Union vs. USA basketball in 1972. Barking?! Can't believe they didn't review the missed field goal.

And I turn back just in time to see a USC fumble?And Baylor?! Crazy night!

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 22:59:00 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 04:59:00 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Anybody catch the end of VA-FSU?
Message-ID: <564876955-1321765119-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-834222543-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Wow!  Griffin throws TD with 8 seconds left,  Bye, bye Sooners!
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If Baylor somehow hangs on, then the BCS top 3 should be LSU, Bama, and the Razorbacks--all SEC--although that will, of course, change next week when Hogs meet Tigers.
------Original Message------
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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: Northwestern Wildcats
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Sent: Nov 19, 2011 11:18 PM

I swear I was watching the Soviet Union vs. USA basketball in 1972. Barking?! Can't believe they didn't review the missed field goal.

And I turn back just in time to see a USC fumble?And Baylor?! Crazy night!

Jason Singer
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 19 23:01:02 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 05:01:02 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Anybody catch the end of VA-FSU?
Message-ID: <1598833310-1321765241-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1809189954-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Actually, what I should have said is later...Sooners.:-)
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Sent: Nov 19, 2011 11:46 PM

If Baylor somehow hangs on, then the BCS top 3 should be LSU, Bama, and the Razorbacks--all SEC--although that will, of course, change next week when Hogs meet Tigers.
------Original Message------
From: Jason Singer
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] Anybody catch the end of VA-FSU?
Sent: Nov 19, 2011 11:18 PM

I swear I was watching the Soviet Union vs. USA basketball in 1972. Barking?! Can't believe they didn't review the missed field goal.

And I turn back just in time to see a USC fumble?And Baylor?! Crazy night!

Jason Singer
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 19 23:10:52 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:10:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?
Message-ID: <1321765852.31039.YahooMailNeo@web121714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Sheesh - this is getting downright pathetic! Though I'm sure Okie State and Oklahoma will be 1/2 in the computer rankings again tomorrow.

I think Michigan can feel pretty good about a B(C)S berth if they beat those Buckeyes (a tall order given recent history) next week now.

The B(C)S must be PRAYING the SEC is as good as they usually are at making sure their #1 goes through the end unbeaten, because if LSU drops to Arkansas or Georgia, we have total chaos!

My dream scenario??LSU loses to UGa in the SEC title game and we get a title game of Bama/Stanford -- two teams that won't even play in their own league title games.

And like I said, this year's Big Ten race (quite similar to the B(C)S top-two race so far with upsets galore) only shows that none of the sacred regular season would be gone with the playoff - it would be intensified!

B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY-OFF! :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 20 05:53:16 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 06:53:16 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Ya know what looks "good"
Message-ID: <000c01cca77a$fdebcec0$f9c36c40$@com>

Both NU and dOSU are 3-4 in the Big 10 right now.

AND we both face a Michigan team next weekend in a game that really means something to the
team from elsewhere.

rsl

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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 08:01:09 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:01:09 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS Mess ?
In-Reply-To: <1321765852.31039.YahooMailNeo@web121714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321765852.31039.YahooMailNeo@web121714.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Well after the Cowboys loss on Friday the e mails went out (including mine)about the chaos now created for the BCS and the championship game

After yesterday's upsets the picture will be easily resolved if ( a big if) the SEC  games left go according to Hoyle.  We simply get  a rematch between the Tigers and the Tide. (Hard to even suggest the Cougars in my mind if Bama has one loss to #1 team by 3 points in OT)

Discussing this won't even be fun without all of the arguments.  Heck I might even have to back SJT for a playoff since I'm against one because it eliminates the fun 

Harry
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Subject: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?

Sheesh - this is getting downright pathetic! Though I'm sure Okie State and Oklahoma will be 1/2 in the computer rankings again tomorrow.

I think Michigan can feel pretty good about a B(C)S berth if they beat those Buckeyes (a tall order given recent history) next week now.

The B(C)S must be PRAYING the SEC is as good as they usually are at making sure their #1 goes through the end unbeaten, because if LSU drops to Arkansas or Georgia, we have total chaos!

My dream scenario??LSU loses to UGa in the SEC title game and we get a title game of Bama/Stanford -- two teams that won't even play in their own league title games.

And like I said, this year's Big Ten race (quite similar to the B(C)S top-two race so far with upsets galore) only shows that none of the sacred regular season would be gone with the playoff - it would be intensified!

B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY-OFF! :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 08:31:02 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:31:02 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS Mess ?
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For you East Coasters who did not stay up for the games out West The Quack attack didn't get into gear until the 4th quarter and then the kicker shanked (hooked ?) a 37 FG attempt  for the tie as the clock ran out.  Losing at home (and  they rarely lose at home)knocks them out of the running.
 
In the Big Game it was raining pretty heavy and Stanford's coaching staff played it conservatively by not having Luck pass as much,particularly early on and Stanford escaped with a 3 point win. 
With good weather he may have been given more leeway even with several of his top receivers injured. (This game may have eliminated his Heisman aspirations though I still think he will be drafted # 1). But having their title killers (the Ducks) lose knocks out any discussion for Stanford as a one loss team going for the title

Harry
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Subject: [NU Sports] BCS Mess ?

Well after the Cowboys loss on Friday the e mails went out (including mine)about the chaos now created for the BCS and the championship game

After yesterday's upsets the picture will be easily resolved if ( a big if) the SEC  games left go according to Hoyle.  We simply get  a rematch between the Tigers and the Tide. (Hard to even suggest the Cougars in my mind if Bama has one loss to #1 team by 3 points in OT)

Discussing this won't even be fun without all of the arguments.  Heck I might even have to back SJT for a playoff since I'm against one because it eliminates the fun 

Harry
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Subject: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?

Sheesh - this is getting downright pathetic! Though I'm sure Okie State and Oklahoma will be 1/2 in the computer rankings again tomorrow.

I think Michigan can feel pretty good about a B(C)S berth if they beat those Buckeyes (a tall order given recent history) next week now.

The B(C)S must be PRAYING the SEC is as good as they usually are at making sure their #1 goes through the end unbeaten, because if LSU drops to Arkansas or Georgia, we have total chaos!

My dream scenario??LSU loses to UGa in the SEC title game and we get a title game of Bama/Stanford -- two teams that won't even play in their own league title games.

And like I said, this year's Big Ten race (quite similar to the B(C)S top-two race so far with upsets galore) only shows that none of the sacred regular season would be gone with the playoff - it would be intensified!

B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY-OFF! :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 20 11:57:17 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Marilyn Bendat)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 09:57:17 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?
Message-ID: <17710452.1321811837504.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Sjt's dream scenario is very good. For BCS chaos purposes, here's another:

Arkansas beats LSU. Alabama wins 3-team SEC West tiebreaker and goes to SEC championship game. Alabama then loses to Georgia in that title game. Result: the two SEC teams that wind up going to BCS games are Arkansas and Georgia. Bama and LSU are both left out!

Jim B.

-----Original Message-----
>From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Nov 19, 2011 9:10 PM
>To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?
>
>Sheesh - this is getting downright pathetic! Though I'm sure Okie State and Oklahoma will be 1/2 in the computer rankings again tomorrow.
>
>I think Michigan can feel pretty good about a B(C)S berth if they beat those Buckeyes (a tall order given recent history) next week now.
>
>The B(C)S must be PRAYING the SEC is as good as they usually are at making sure their #1 goes through the end unbeaten, because if LSU drops to Arkansas or Georgia, we have total chaos!
>
>My dream scenario??LSU loses to UGa in the SEC title game and we get a title game of Bama/Stanford -- two teams that won't even play in their own league title games.
>
>And like I said, this year's Big Ten race (quite similar to the B(C)S top-two race so far with upsets galore) only shows that none of the sacred regular season would be gone with the playoff - it would be intensified!
>
>B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY-OFF! :)
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>?
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog at yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 12:29:18 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:29:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?
In-Reply-To: <17710452.1321811837504.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Jim - I am drooling, that scenario is so deliciously chaotic!

The cherry on top? After Georgia beats Bama and claims the one B(C)S berth for the SEC and #1 Arkansas (ewww!) claims the other, #2 LSU is LEFT OUT by rule and no #1 vs. #2 matchup!!!

How awesomely chaotic would THAT be!

But the SEC and B(C)S Cartel powers that be will never allow that to happen. I can dream, though ...?

Go Petrino Piggies and Go Cam Newton Bribery Fund! (ick - I need a shower ...)
B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Marilyn Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?
 
Sjt's dream scenario is very good. For BCS chaos purposes, here's another:

Arkansas beats LSU. Alabama wins 3-team SEC West tiebreaker and goes to SEC championship game. Alabama then loses to Georgia in that title game. Result: the two SEC teams that wind up going to BCS games are Arkansas and Georgia. Bama and LSU are both left out!

Jim B.

-----Original Message-----
>From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Nov 19, 2011 9:10 PM
>To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?
>
>Sheesh - this is getting downright pathetic! Though I'm sure Okie State and Oklahoma will be 1/2 in the computer rankings again tomorrow.
>
>I think Michigan can feel pretty good about a B(C)S berth if they beat those Buckeyes (a tall order given recent history) next week now.
>
>The B(C)S must be PRAYING the SEC is as good as they usually are at making sure their #1 goes through the end unbeaten, because if LSU drops to Arkansas or Georgia, we have total chaos!
>
>My dream scenario??LSU loses to UGa in the SEC title game and we get a title game of Bama/Stanford -- two teams that won't even play in their own league title games.
>
>And like I said, this year's Big Ten race (quite similar to the B(C)S top-two race so far with upsets galore) only shows that none of the sacred regular season would be gone with the playoff - it would be intensified!
>
>B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY-OFF! :)
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>?
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog at yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 20 13:03:18 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:03:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS Mess ?
In-Reply-To: <1518885390-1321797672-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1701184542-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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> Discussing this won't even be fun without all of the arguments.  Heck I might
> even have to back SJT for a playoff since I'm against one because it 
> eliminates the fun.

Hardly, it just changes the dimensions of the argument from 'wwhat 1 loss
team(s) should be in the NC game' to 'which 1 loss teams
should not be the playoffs', which gets even more fun if there are no
undefeated teams, or the only undefeated teams are schools like Houton.  

Does #4 Stanford (AP poll) deserve consideration over #5 VIrgina Tech?
--
Mike Nolan


From khaderach at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 20 13:12:01 2011
From: khaderach at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Bowser)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:12:01 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] After this week's games ...
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What an amazing story on Brian Peters. Thanks for sharing. There have been so many feel good stories written about this team. 

 I really think they are going to be the ones to get that bowl win.

- Bryan




On Nov 19, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Marilyn Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net> wrote:

> And, if we win, we'll also wind up tied in our division with the loser of the Iowa-Nebraska game. After the 5-game skid, how can any of us not be pleased with the improvement we've seen?! With next week's game meaning nothing for MSU, there's no reason for us not to go out there and win it - particularly for Persa, Ebert and the other seniors.
> 
> One more thing -- there's a poignant segment on the main page of btn.com dealing with Brian Peters. Well worth checking out.
> 
> Jim B.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: neonrye at aol.com
>> Sent: Nov 19, 2011 3:38 PM
>> To: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>, NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] After this week's games ...
>> 
>> If 'Cats beat MSU next week--a huge task--and OSU loses to Mich. and the Zookers lose to Minny, we will have better record at 7-5 than Bucks and Illinim. And we will be 4-4 in conference.  
>> 
>> I know some will be unhappy with that, but given where we were a month ago, I will be ecstatic.   By the way, Illini are now 2-5 in conference, while Bucks are 3-4, same as NU.
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:41:47 
>> To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [NU Sports] After this week's games ...
>> 
>> ... you have to wonder if the people who wanted PSU punished last week shouldn't have been arguing FOR playing the game.
>> 
>> With a week's distance to gather their thoughts after the chaos, PSU's players seem to be playing their best game of the year in Columbus today on offense.
>> And Nebraska didn't look too good today in the Big House.
>> 
>> 
>> Whoever wins next week in Madison, it should be a pretty good inaugural title game. 
>> 
>> Coming down to PSU/Wisky on the east side is not much of a surprise and the scheduling works out perfectly (and gives us an example of how having a playoff would NOT take away from the regular season -- the games these past couple weeks have been every bit as meaningful as the race has shaped up ... and next week's game in Camp Randall will be as big as it gets with a title game berth on the line ... plus now you have a playoff after those games to decide a champ on the field for Pasadena instead of leaving it up to tiebreaks and who's been to Pasadena most recently).
>> 
>> The Sparty side is a bit of a surprise ... I didn't think MSU would have the mental toughness to make it through the year, but they appear to be fueled after being the odd man out last year and on a mission. As for Nebraska, I'm not sure whether it's the Huskers being a bit overrated or the adjustment of having to play a Big Ten schedule week in and week out (and a pretty tough schedule at that) ... but much like PSU's 1993 entry into the league, the experts were wrong about the new kid coming in to dominate the rest on the block. Of course, PSU stormed back with a vengeance in 1994, so maybe the Huskers will be on a roll next year.
>> 
>> PSU-MSU would be a renewal of a somewhat decent rivalry and MSU-Wisky would be Hail Mary II and lots of bad blood. Should be fun!
>> 
>> GO CATS!!!
>> -SjT
>> 
>>  
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 13:27:37 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 11:27:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS Mess ?
In-Reply-To: <20111120190318.8670C6512D@romaine.tssi.com>
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Like I said, I think the Big Ten race this year only shows that a playoff makes the regular season even better!

Think about it ...

- Were the fantastic finishes of Michigan/Notre Dame, MSU/Wisky, OSU/Wisky and other game-of-the-year candidates any less thrilling?
- Were the upsets of NU beating Nebraska in Lincoln, Iowa's controversial win over Michigan or Purdue's blocked PAT of OSU and others any less devastating for title hopes?
- Were the classic head-to-head games of rivals and big-time teams like UNL/PSU and Wisky/UNL or Michigan/OSU andWisky/PSU this week any less epic and anticipated?

Not in the slightest! The season was just as thrilling as ever with upsets, thrilling finishes and classic contests galore.

But instead of some finangled three-way tiebreak that leaves 10-2 MSU out of the mix or sends a team to Pasadena over another because their school played in that game 10 years ago instead of 7 ...

NOW the Rose Bowl berth is decided ON THE FIELD! And even if it's a Wisky/MSU rematch, it's a rematch we'd like to see instead of Bama/LSU. And if it's MSU/PSU, it's a rematch of a decent rivalry in recent years and two teams that toughed out a brutal conference campaign as underdogs to make it to Indy.

I think these conference title games only show the benefits of how a playoff/plus one/anything other than the B(C)S would provide a fitting end to the always terrific regular season.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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________________________________
 From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: hakirsch at aol.com 
Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] BCS Mess ?
 
> Discussing this won't even be fun without all of the arguments.? Heck I might
> even have to back SJT for a playoff since I'm against one because it 
> eliminates the fun.

Hardly, it just changes the dimensions of the argument from 'wwhat 1 loss
team(s) should be in the NC game' to 'which 1 loss teams
should not be the playoffs', which gets even more fun if there are no
undefeated teams, or the only undefeated teams are schools like Houton.? 

Does #4 Stanford (AP poll) deserve consideration over #5 VIrgina Tech?
--
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 20 13:30:21 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:30:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] ESPN should fire Lee Corso!
Message-ID: <20111120193022.1E3C96513A@romaine.tssi.com>

OK, so I'll be the first to say publicly (here) that I think ESPN
is engaging in a LOT of 'spin control' over Lee Corso's F-bomb 
yesterday, calling it an 'accident'.

What a lot of BS!

They should let Corso go, or at least suspend him for the remainder
of the season.

Better yet, perhaps they should cancel College GameDay, because
there was clearly a loss of institutional control yesterday!
--
Mike Nolan 



From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 13:30:48 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 11:30:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 13
Message-ID: <1321817448.14431.YahooMailNeo@web121713.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Not sure if standings will be out this weekend, but with the short week and travel coming up for many, I figured I'd get the lineup out ASAP ... plus there's no Saints game today (and hence no hope for my fantasy team), so the NFL is merely background distraction while grading papers. :)

But here's the lineup for week 13 of the college game. It won't be as chaotic as last week (B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!) but hopefully we can get a few more upsets to push for that playoff. Lots of big rivalry games as well and plenty of appetizers on the plate, so no need to bite on the Thursday game between the once-proud Longhorns and once-vastly overrated Aggies as ATM says goodbye to the Lil' XII and hello to the SEC -- sure hope they learn how to play D, because while D may be optional at best in the Lil' XII, it's not that way in a real league like the SEC or Big Ten.


So, get these picks in by the kickoff of "Farmageddon" in Lincoln on Friday (the game may not be living up to its hype -- as UNL is finding life in the Big Ten tougher than the Lil' XII week in and week out -- but the nickname for the Corn Bowl is FRICKIN' AWESOME!!!). If the Big Ten title game has shown anything, it's that a playoff would NOT ruin the magic and meaning of the college football season, it would only add to it. All of the upsets, Hail Mary's, last-second finishes and games like the one Saturday in Madison mean even MORE now that a title game shot and Pasadena is on the line and ON THE FIELD instead of decided by obscure tiebreaks over who's been there most recently and such.

Have a blessed and wonderful Thanksgiving! Picks in by Friday morning!


PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 13
#########################
Name:?

BIG TEN
=======GAME 1: Iowa @ NebraskaWINNER:?

GAME 2: Illinois @ MinnesotaWINNER:?

GAME 3: Purdue @ IndianaWINNER:?

GAME 4: Ohio State @ MichiganWINNER:?

GAME 5: Penn State @ WisconsinWINNER:?

NATIONAL========GAME 6: Arkansas @ Louisiana State
WINNER:?

GAME 7: Alabama @ AuburnWINNER:?

GAME 8: Notre Dame @ Stanford
WINNER:?

GAME 9: UCLA @ Southern Cal
WINNER:?
GAME 10: Virginia Tech @ Virginia
WINNER:?
MY PICKS========GAME 1: NEBRASKA ... With a second B(C)S bid more likely for the league, the Huskers could be in Orlando if they win this one to salvage some pride after the Maize and Blue beatdownGAME 2: MINNESOTA ... No pig on the line, but the Gophers will still likely show more heart and effort than the Zookers, who quit this season five weeks ago
GAME 3: PURDUE ... Cats fans hope for a Hoosier upset for less bowl competition, but the Boilers own this series
GAME 4: MICHIGAN ... Brady Hoke is the national coach of the year and has Michigan firmly on the route back to the old days, when they owned the Buckeyes
GAME 5: WISCONSIN ... I'm hoping PSU can pull it off (and they played a LOT better in OSU than they did vs. UNL), but Wisky's at home and the Smug Smirk smells Indy
GAME 6: LSU ... I'm in the odd position of cheering for that slimeball Petrino and his Piggies to create B(C)S chaos, but it won't happen in Tiger Stadium
GAME 7: ALABAMA ... Again, I'm in the odd spot of cheering for the people who paid Cam Newton six figures for a title last year, but the SEC won't let Bama lose this one
GAME 8: STANFORD ... Not sure how the Treez are back in the top five after losing their one tough game all year by A TON, but they should blow out the overrated Irish here
GAME 9: SOUTHERN CAL ... The Trojans won't be in the Pac 10 title game, but they could have the honor of defeating the two teams in it over the past two weeks - How is UCLA in it?!?!
GAME 10: VIRGINIA ... It would be un-ACC like to have an 11-1 team in the top 5 at the end of the year, so go with the upset here!

And off the board, let's just say Sparty has nothing left to play for and we need the win - WE OWE THEM ONE, so BEAT SPARTY!!! Northwestern 27, Michigan State 24
Picks due by Friday kickoff!
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
-SjT
?
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From jintsjason at me.com  Sun Nov 20 13:46:10 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 11:46:10 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] ESPN should fire Lee Corso!
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Can't decide if you're being sarcastic or not...

I had no issue with Corso just like I had no issue with Eck when he screamed the "S" word a season ago while doing a game. The camera shows pro players and all coaches mouthing terrible words all the time and that doesn't stop the producers of these telecasts from zeroing in on them, knowing full well what's coming. I don't have kids, but I'm around them a lot. The f-bomb is dropped by them regularly, and if a parent can't take responsibility to teach them that what Corso did is not proper behavior then I can't see why an ex-coach, like Corso, who has never done anything like it for two decades shouldn't be allowed a break. It's the same silly argument that rap albums and video games are bad for kids. 

You know what's bad for kids? Parents who shirk responsibility. My parents had the Joy of Sex on the coffee table when I was very young. They also taught me to respect the rights of those around me and understand that sex is a privilege between consenting partners who care about each other. Not so difficult. 

Jason Singer
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jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 20, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Mike Nolan wrote:

> OK, so I'll be the first to say publicly (here) that I think ESPN
> is engaging in a LOT of 'spin control' over Lee Corso's F-bomb 
> yesterday, calling it an 'accident'.
> 
> What a lot of BS!
> 
> They should let Corso go, or at least suspend him for the remainder
> of the season.
> 
> Better yet, perhaps they should cancel College GameDay, because
> there was clearly a loss of institutional control yesterday!
> --
> Mike Nolan 
> 
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sun Nov 20 14:39:21 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 15:39:21 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?
In-Reply-To: <1321813758.22787.YahooMailNeo@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <17710452.1321811837504.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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By current BCS rule, 3 members of a single conference ARE allowed to be in
BCS games if the following occurs: #s 1 & 2 are not conference champions
(e.g. Georgia beats LSU, but LSU & Alabama remain in the top 2).  In your
scenario, as long as LSU remains in the top 2 of the BCS, it'll go to the
title game.

In any case, it was quite enjoyable watching all of the games last night
after seeing NU clinch bowl eligibility in comfortable fashion.

Jonathan

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:29 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Jim - I am drooling, that scenario is so deliciously chaotic!
>
> The cherry on top? After Georgia beats Bama and claims the one B(C)S berth
> for the SEC and #1 Arkansas (ewww!) claims the other, #2 LSU is LEFT OUT by
> rule and no #1 vs. #2 matchup!!!
>
> How awesomely chaotic would THAT be!
>
> But the SEC and B(C)S Cartel powers that be will never allow that to
> happen. I can dream, though ...
>
> Go Petrino Piggies and Go Cam Newton Bribery Fund! (ick - I need a shower
> ...)
> B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Marilyn Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net>
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?
>
> Sjt's dream scenario is very good. For BCS chaos purposes, here's another:
>
> Arkansas beats LSU. Alabama wins 3-team SEC West tiebreaker and goes to
> SEC championship game. Alabama then loses to Georgia in that title game.
> Result: the two SEC teams that wind up going to BCS games are Arkansas and
> Georgia. Bama and LSU are both left out!
>
> Jim B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Nov 19, 2011 9:10 PM
> >To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> >Subject: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?
> >
> >Sheesh - this is getting downright pathetic! Though I'm sure Okie State
> and Oklahoma will be 1/2 in the computer rankings again tomorrow.
> >
> >I think Michigan can feel pretty good about a B(C)S berth if they beat
> those Buckeyes (a tall order given recent history) next week now.
> >
> >The B(C)S must be PRAYING the SEC is as good as they usually are at
> making sure their #1 goes through the end unbeaten, because if LSU drops to
> Arkansas or Georgia, we have total chaos!
> >
> >My dream scenario? LSU loses to UGa in the SEC title game and we get a
> title game of Bama/Stanford -- two teams that won't even play in their own
> league title games.
> >
> >And like I said, this year's Big Ten race (quite similar to the B(C)S
> top-two race so far with upsets galore) only shows that none of the sacred
> regular season would be gone with the playoff - it would be intensified!
> >
> >B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY-OFF! :)
> >
> >GO CATS!!!
> >-SjT
> >
> >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> >STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> >sjtruog at yahoo.com
> >GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> >Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> >________________________________
> >_______________________________________________
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 15:58:27 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 13:58:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu4OS3sBaE0OMRF2g6K7WMT8413ocxmEUAtxa9eLndZwSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <17710452.1321811837504.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
 <1321813758.22787.YahooMailNeo@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <CAAxRJu4OS3sBaE0OMRF2g6K7WMT8413ocxmEUAtxa9eLndZwSg@mail.gmail.com>
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Wow - Jonathan you blew my mind, both with your knowledge of obscure rules and with the thought that the B(C)S could indeed suck even more.

I didn't think it was possible!

So two teams (in this scenario Arkansas and LSU) who did not even PLAY in their league's title game, could make it to the B(C)S title game while a third team from their league gets the automatic berth.

Wow - this system is more messed up than I thought!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
Cc: Marilyn Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?
 

By current BCS rule, 3 members of a single conference ARE allowed to be in BCS games if the following occurs: #s 1 & 2 are not conference champions (e.g. Georgia beats LSU, but LSU & Alabama remain in the top 2).? In your scenario, as long as LSU remains in the top 2 of the BCS, it'll go to the title game.

In any case, it was quite enjoyable watching all of the games last night after seeing NU clinch bowl eligibility in comfortable fashion.

Jonathan

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On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 1:29 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

Jim - I am drooling, that scenario is so deliciously chaotic!
>
>The cherry on top? After Georgia beats Bama and claims the one B(C)S berth for the SEC and #1 Arkansas (ewww!) claims the other, #2 LSU is LEFT OUT by rule and no #1 vs. #2 matchup!!!
>
>How awesomely chaotic would THAT be!
>
>But the SEC and B(C)S Cartel powers that be will never allow that to happen. I can dream, though ...?
>
>Go Petrino Piggies and Go Cam Newton Bribery Fund! (ick - I need a shower ...)
>B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
>
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>?
>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog at yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
>________________________________
>
>
>
>________________________________
>?From: Marilyn Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net>
>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 10:57 AM
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?
>
>
>Sjt's dream scenario is very good. For BCS chaos purposes, here's another:
>
>Arkansas beats LSU. Alabama wins 3-team SEC West tiebreaker and goes to SEC championship game. Alabama then loses to Georgia in that title game. Result: the two SEC teams that wind up going to BCS games are Arkansas and Georgia. Bama and LSU are both left out!
>
>Jim B.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
>>Sent: Nov 19, 2011 9:10 PM
>>To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>>Subject: [NU Sports] Does ANYONE in the Lil' XII play defense?
>>
>>Sheesh - this is getting downright pathetic! Though I'm sure Okie State and Oklahoma will be 1/2 in the computer rankings again tomorrow.
>>
>>I think Michigan can feel pretty good about a B(C)S berth if they beat those Buckeyes (a tall order given recent history) next week now.
>>
>>The B(C)S must be PRAYING the SEC is as good as they usually are at making sure their #1 goes through the end unbeaten, because if LSU drops to Arkansas or Georgia, we have total chaos!
>>
>>My dream scenario??LSU loses to UGa in the SEC title game and we get a title game of Bama/Stanford -- two teams that won't even play in their own league title games.
>>
>>And like I said, this year's Big Ten race (quite similar to the B(C)S top-two race so far with upsets galore) only shows that none of the sacred regular season would be gone with the playoff - it would be intensified!
>>
>>B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY-OFF! :)
>>
>>GO CATS!!!
>>-SjT
>>?
>>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>>sjtruog at yahoo.com
>>GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
>>Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
>>________________________________
>>_______________________________________________
>>nwu-sports site list
>>nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 16:38:42 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 17:38:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Latest Bowl Projections
Message-ID: <8CE75EC4A098359-1FA4-10C425@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com>


Here we go:

SBnation.com has us going to the HAWAII BOWL (vs. Hawaii):  http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/2011/11/20/2575119/college-bowl-game-projections-week-13-2011

New ESPN projections not out yet (probably waitng for new BCS).

Orlando Sentinel has us back in Dallas at TicketCity vs. UTEP--can't see it happening:  http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2011/11/2011-bowl-projections-week-12.html

CBSsports.com has us eating Little Caesar's in Detroit:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions

This stupid site has Purdue going to Little Caesar's and NU going nowhere:  http://collegebowlprojections.com/ncaa-college-football-bowl-predictions/

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Nov 20 20:33:32 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:33:32 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats up 10 @ 1/2 vs. Seton Hall
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375ECFA96@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Drew Crawford's assertiveness to take advantage of his versatile talents has been a great thing to watch!

From bondscoop at gmail.com  Sun Nov 20 21:32:07 2011
From: bondscoop at gmail.com (Michael Jackson)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:32:07 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Nice game cagers!
Message-ID: <0c7d01cca7fe$261c9180$7255b480$@gmail.com>

They showed toughness coming back after giving up a 15-0 run in the second
half.  Nice D late in game iced it.  


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 20 21:33:26 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:33:26 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna Dunk the Exclamation Point!
Message-ID: <002901cca7fe$5518c440$ff4a4cc0$@com>

What a big grin from Shurna too, altho Carmody said something that got him back in the
game fast.

Once again Crawford had to pace the scoring, but it was good to the center playing
tonight.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 21:34:40 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 03:34:40 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats up 10 @ 1/2 vs. Seton Hall
Message-ID: <1697532739-1321846459-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1154072967-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Great win tonight!  Could this be the year?  Stay Healthy--that's our mantra.
------Original Message------
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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: Northwestern Wildcats (nwu-sports at tssi.com)
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats up 10 @ 1/2 vs. Seton Hall
Sent: Nov 20, 2011 9:33 PM

Drew Crawford's assertiveness to take advantage of his versatile talents has been a great thing to watch!
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Nov 20 21:33:16 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:33:16 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU takes tourney!
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375ECFAA5@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Cats win 80-73 - Crawford & Shurna show...



They'll need more help, but they did a nice job of carrying the team and it was great to see them celebrate the tourney title.


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 20 21:36:32 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 19:36:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna Dunk the Exclamation Point!
In-Reply-To: <002901cca7fe$5518c440$ff4a4cc0$@com>
References: <002901cca7fe$5518c440$ff4a4cc0$@com>
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That was an awesome slam from Shurna!?

Great first half, shaky second half, but nice finish. Deadly from the FT line when it counted.

Tom




>________________________________
> From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
>To: 'NUSPORTS' <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
>Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 9:33 PM
>Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna Dunk the Exclamation Point!
> 
>What a big grin from Shurna too, altho Carmody said something that got him back in the
>game fast.
>
>Once again Crawford had to pace the scoring, but it was good to the center playing
>tonight.
>
>rsl
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>Computer Applications & Support Associates
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>Director Media Relations - Little League 
>? Senior League Softball World Series
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>Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
>Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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>================================================
>Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
>those of any organizations of which I am a member.
>------------------------------------------------
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>from those who are willing to work and give it to 
>those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
>=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? = 
>I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
>I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
>=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
>If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
>tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 20 21:35:47 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:35:47 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats up 10 @ 1/2 vs. Seton Hall
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375ECFA96@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375ECFA96@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <003901cca7fe$a9619c20$fc24d460$@com>

And he picks up the tourney MVP too.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
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Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 9:34 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats (nwu-sports at tssi.com)
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats up 10 @ 1/2 vs. Seton Hall

Drew Crawford's assertiveness to take advantage of his versatile talents has been a great
thing to watch!
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov 20 21:43:13 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 03:43:13 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats up 10 @ 1/2 vs. Seton Hall
In-Reply-To: <003901cca7fe$a9619c20$fc24d460$@com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375ECFA96@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
 <003901cca7fe$a9619c20$fc24d460$@com>
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That's good psychologically for Drew, as he steps into role of Robin to Shurna's Batman.  Let him get some accolades, too.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:35:47 
To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'<Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>; 'Northwestern Wildcats'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Cats up 10 @ 1/2 vs. Seton Hall

And he picks up the tourney MVP too.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
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Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 9:34 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats (nwu-sports at tssi.com)
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats up 10 @ 1/2 vs. Seton Hall

Drew Crawford's assertiveness to take advantage of his versatile talents has been a great
thing to watch!
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 20 21:51:25 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:51:25 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] WGN Post game
Message-ID: <003d01cca800$d8613f60$8923be20$@com>

Shurna passed out the kudus talking to Dave and Shon....

Now it's BC:
======================================
BC: A good feeling to see the happy faces. 

The team came through... relied on the veterans to get things done.

Luka and Curletti, came on strong in game. Luka took control - thought he could score on
"this guy"

Curletti blocked the shot that won the game. And everyone made their foul shots.

Crawford seems livelier, bouncier, going to the basket. He called him a "suburban jump
shooter" and Crawford didn't like it...

Ran man 30 mins, then went to 1-3-1 with Marcatullio at the top. The made 3's on both zone
and man to man.

Win gives the guys a lot of confidence, and they came back and won close games at the end.
=====================================
Now Drew Crawford:

Seniors deserved the win.

Crawford worked on his shots, dribble with Shurna this summer - he credits that for his
improvement so far this year.

Weight room big part of his improvement.

Talking about the Center's play tonight - "we go as the big guys go"
=====================================

All this from Dave and Shon on WGN's post game....

One other thing, Cobb didn't really get going in this game - you think he might still be
hurting? Played 9 mins, was 0-2 in shooting.


rsl






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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
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those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 20 21:55:35 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:55:35 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
Message-ID: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>

18 points from the Centers (Mirkovic and Curletti)tonight.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Nov 20 22:50:24 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 23:50:24 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
Message-ID: <B916382DAE8F49569E1A34944E909B08@dennismachine>

I can't recall Northwestern ever winning a pre-season tournament, nor can I 
remember ever being able to watch the tournament in which they were 
participating on TV.  They played sound basketball but against mid-level 
teams.  The Big Ten will be much tougher.  There is hope, but I'm still not 
going to get excited until I see "Northwestern" on the NCAA bracket.  Maybe 
I should go back to school because my senior year was the last time they had 
a winning record in the Big Ten. 


From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 20 23:03:31 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:03:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
In-Reply-To: <B916382DAE8F49569E1A34944E909B08@dennismachine>
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
 <B916382DAE8F49569E1A34944E909B08@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <1321851811.81800.YahooMailRC@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

You might be right, Dennis.? I think that the TV announcers said that it's been 
43 years since the Cats had a winning record in the Big Ten!

Ranking wise, LSU was the weakest of the three opponents, but they ended up 2-1 
in the tournament, and the other 2 are in the 50s, according to Sagarin.? A huge 
upgrade from last year's preseason schedule.? Hopefully that will help toughen 
the team up.





________________________________
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; Northwestern Wildcats 
<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, November 20, 2011 10:50:24 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....

I can't recall Northwestern ever winning a pre-season tournament, nor can I 
remember ever being able to watch the tournament in which they were 
participating on TV.? They played sound basketball but against mid-level teams.? 
The Big Ten will be much tougher.? There is hope, but I'm still not going to get 
excited until I see "Northwestern" on the NCAA bracket.? Maybe I should go back 
to school because my senior year was the last time they had a winning record in 
the Big Ten. 

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov 20 23:53:07 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Marilyn Bendat)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 21:53:07 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
Message-ID: <15222516.1321854787665.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

When I was in school, we won the Gator Bowl basketball tournament in December 1968. - Jim B.


-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
>Sent: Nov 20, 2011 8:50 PM
>To: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>, 'Northwestern Wildcats' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
>
>I can't recall Northwestern ever winning a pre-season tournament


From scottzel at gmail.com  Mon Nov 21 00:08:30 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:08:30 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
In-Reply-To: <B916382DAE8F49569E1A34944E909B08@dennismachine>
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
 <B916382DAE8F49569E1A34944E909B08@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <CAHChqvgaJXm9UOjwMuCNgpF+iT7KhOjYxM1u7qPcawcSKSXYVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, "mid-level" teams? You are a tough audience. We beat LSU from the SEC
and Seton Hall from the Big East, and a Tulsa team from Conference USA that
has made three NCAA Sweet Sixteens and one Elite Eight.

If the Cubs ever win the pennant will you say the National League was
having a down year?

I think you can comfortably say that we beat quality, top-tier Division I
programs to win this challenging tournament. Enjoy it!!
On Sun, Nov 20, 2011 at 8:50 PM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net> wrote:

> I can't recall Northwestern ever winning a pre-season tournament, nor can
> I remember ever being able to watch the tournament in which they were
> participating on TV.  They played sound basketball but against mid-level
> teams.  The Big Ten will be much tougher.  There is hope, but I'm still not
> going to get excited until I see "Northwestern" on the NCAA bracket.  Maybe
> I should go back to school because my senior year was the last time they
> had a winning record in the Big Ten.
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 21 00:18:21 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 00:18:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvgaJXm9UOjwMuCNgpF+iT7KhOjYxM1u7qPcawcSKSXYVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111121061821.47AEB600DE@romaine.tssi.com>

> If the Cubs ever win the pennant will you say the National League was
> having a down year?

No, just that Hell froze over!
--
Mike Nolan


From marks83588 at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 05:35:37 2011
From: marks83588 at aol.com (marks83588 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:35:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
In-Reply-To: <B916382DAE8F49569E1A34944E909B08@dennismachine>
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
 <B916382DAE8F49569E1A34944E909B08@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <8CE7658D289DD22-CE4-11CA9B@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>


NU won a tourney 2 years ago beating Notre Dame in the semi's and Iowa State in the finals.

Now if NU coulod only get a big man, Dennis.........



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; 'Northwestern Wildcats' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 20, 2011 11:50 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....


I can't recall Northwestern ever winning a pre-season tournament, nor can I 
emember ever being able to watch the tournament in which they were 
articipating on TV.  They played sound basketball but against mid-level 
eams.  The Big Ten will be much tougher.  There is hope, but I'm still not 
oing to get excited until I see "Northwestern" on the NCAA bracket.  Maybe 
 should go back to school because my senior year was the last time they had 
 winning record in the Big Ten. 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 21 06:03:18 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:03:18 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
In-Reply-To: <20111121061821.47AEB600DE@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <CAHChqvgaJXm9UOjwMuCNgpF+iT7KhOjYxM1u7qPcawcSKSXYVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <20111121061821.47AEB600DE@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <004e01cca845$8f525850$adf708f0$@com>

But then the Steve Goodman song wouldn't be right!

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:18 AM
To: Scott Zeller, M.D.
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....

> If the Cubs ever win the pennant will you say the National League was
> having a down year?

No, just that Hell froze over!
--
Mike Nolan

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 21 06:22:00 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:22:00 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] and one more thing...
Message-ID: <004f01cca848$2c21dc30$84659490$@com>

Our Centers (or 3rd forward in the middle) were playing away from the basket more, I know
Luka was up at the top of the key several times when Shurna drove to the basket, on
defense, they were up near the circle/foul line in the 1-3-1.

I thought it interesting also, that BC had them playing man-to-man early in each of the
games, but eventually shifted to the 1-3-1 (with different guys at the top) after 20-30
minutes.

Earlier in the week, BC was talking (to WGN) about needing more from the Center position
(#5)

Last night Luka (12) and Davide (6) combined for 18 points while Shurna and Crawford
grabbed the 13 rebounds.

Compare that to 10 points against Tulsa, and 4 against LSU.

In any case, it appears that Luka and Davide have heard the message - now to see if they
keep it up.

rsl


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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 07:24:36 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:24:36 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
 <B916382DAE8F49569E1A34944E909B08@dennismachine>
 <CAHChqvgaJXm9UOjwMuCNgpF+iT7KhOjYxM1u7qPcawcSKSXYVQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <693E34B06CD04318BEA7DAFC20ED5CC3@dennismachine>

> Wow, "mid-level" teams? You are a tough audience. We beat LSU from the SEC
> and Seton Hall from the Big East, and a Tulsa team from Conference USA 
> that
> has made three NCAA Sweet Sixteens and one Elite Eight.

Let's see what happens during the Big Ten season.  I would love to be as 
sanguine as you about the NU basketball team, but this Pennsylvanian is from 
Missouri.

> If the Cubs ever win the pennant will you say the National League was
> having a down year?

I will buy long underwear and a parka in anticipation of my death. 


From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Nov 21 07:25:21 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 08:25:21 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
 <B916382DAE8F49569E1A34944E909B08@dennismachine>
 <8CE7658D289DD22-CE4-11CA9B@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CA41164F64EB4DB799396F467F6E30BA@dennismachine>

> Now if NU coulod only get a big man, Dennis.........

. . . we would have a much better chance of winning.


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov 21 09:01:19 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:01:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
In-Reply-To: <693E34B06CD04318BEA7DAFC20ED5CC3@dennismachine>
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
 <B916382DAE8F49569E1A34944E909B08@dennismachine>
 <CAHChqvgaJXm9UOjwMuCNgpF+iT7KhOjYxM1u7qPcawcSKSXYVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <693E34B06CD04318BEA7DAFC20ED5CC3@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC066DA6@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

This is going to be a challenging season to get to 21 wins (20 didn't
get us in last year).

We've got a 13 game non con season with tough games against Baylor
(currently ranked 11/12) at home and Creighton on the road.  Let's
assume we go 12-1 (loss to Baylor).

OSU, Wisky, and UoM are all ranked in the top 25 this year.

Let's assume we lose all of those games.  

That means we can only afford to lose three more games in conference to
go 9-9 in the conference and finish the regular season at 21-10 and not
have to depend on the BT tourney to get our dance invitation.  So we
have to hold home court against  Ill,  MSU, UNL, and Purdue; beat
Indiana on the road; and sweep PSU, Minny, and Iowa.

Now that I've written it down, it certainly seems doable.  I agree that
the health of our starting 5 is key.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:25 AM
To: Scott Zeller, M.D.; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....

> Wow, "mid-level" teams? You are a tough audience. We beat LSU from the
SEC
> and Seton Hall from the Big East, and a Tulsa team from Conference USA

> that
> has made three NCAA Sweet Sixteens and one Elite Eight.

Let's see what happens during the Big Ten season.  I would love to be as

sanguine as you about the NU basketball team, but this Pennsylvanian is
from 
Missouri.

> If the Cubs ever win the pennant will you say the National League was
> having a down year?

I will buy long underwear and a parka in anticipation of my death. 

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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 09:17:27 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:17:27 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC066DA6@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
 <B916382DAE8F49569E1A34944E909B08@dennismachine>
 <CAHChqvgaJXm9UOjwMuCNgpF+iT7KhOjYxM1u7qPcawcSKSXYVQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <693E34B06CD04318BEA7DAFC20ED5CC3@dennismachine>
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Message-ID: <1988169416-1321888629-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-7546053-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Jeff, 

I don't thin we will ever "sweep" PSU in our lifetimes.  We never seem to beat them in hoops at all.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:01:19 
To: Dennis W. Brandt<tbng at comcast.net>; Scott Zeller, M.D.<scottzel at gmail.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....

This is going to be a challenging season to get to 21 wins (20 didn't
get us in last year).

We've got a 13 game non con season with tough games against Baylor
(currently ranked 11/12) at home and Creighton on the road.  Let's
assume we go 12-1 (loss to Baylor).

OSU, Wisky, and UoM are all ranked in the top 25 this year.

Let's assume we lose all of those games.  

That means we can only afford to lose three more games in conference to
go 9-9 in the conference and finish the regular season at 21-10 and not
have to depend on the BT tourney to get our dance invitation.  So we
have to hold home court against  Ill,  MSU, UNL, and Purdue; beat
Indiana on the road; and sweep PSU, Minny, and Iowa.

Now that I've written it down, it certainly seems doable.  I agree that
the health of our starting 5 is key.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:25 AM
To: Scott Zeller, M.D.; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....

> Wow, "mid-level" teams? You are a tough audience. We beat LSU from the
SEC
> and Seton Hall from the Big East, and a Tulsa team from Conference USA

> that
> has made three NCAA Sweet Sixteens and one Elite Eight.

Let's see what happens during the Big Ten season.  I would love to be as

sanguine as you about the NU basketball team, but this Pennsylvanian is
from 
Missouri.

> If the Cubs ever win the pennant will you say the National League was
> having a down year?

I will buy long underwear and a parka in anticipation of my death. 

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 09:21:42 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:21:42 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
In-Reply-To: <1988169416-1321888629-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-7546053-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
 <B916382DAE8F49569E1A34944E909B08@dennismachine>
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After years of losing to OSU in football I also thought we would never beat them, but we finally did in 04 after 33 years ! So we will sweep PSU at some point in hoops (and it will be in my lifetime, unless they pare back the schedule to 1 game)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 15:17:27 
To: Beamsley, Jeff<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Dennis W. Brandt<tbng at comcast.net>; Scott Zeller, M.D.<scottzel at gmail.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....

Jeff, 

I don't thin we will ever "sweep" PSU in our lifetimes.  We never seem to beat them in hoops at all.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:01:19 
To: Dennis W. Brandt<tbng at comcast.net>; Scott Zeller, M.D.<scottzel at gmail.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....

This is going to be a challenging season to get to 21 wins (20 didn't
get us in last year).

We've got a 13 game non con season with tough games against Baylor
(currently ranked 11/12) at home and Creighton on the road.  Let's
assume we go 12-1 (loss to Baylor).

OSU, Wisky, and UoM are all ranked in the top 25 this year.

Let's assume we lose all of those games.  

That means we can only afford to lose three more games in conference to
go 9-9 in the conference and finish the regular season at 21-10 and not
have to depend on the BT tourney to get our dance invitation.  So we
have to hold home court against  Ill,  MSU, UNL, and Purdue; beat
Indiana on the road; and sweep PSU, Minny, and Iowa.

Now that I've written it down, it certainly seems doable.  I agree that
the health of our starting 5 is key.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:25 AM
To: Scott Zeller, M.D.; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....

> Wow, "mid-level" teams? You are a tough audience. We beat LSU from the
SEC
> and Seton Hall from the Big East, and a Tulsa team from Conference USA

> that
> has made three NCAA Sweet Sixteens and one Elite Eight.

Let's see what happens during the Big Ten season.  I would love to be as

sanguine as you about the NU basketball team, but this Pennsylvanian is
from 
Missouri.

> If the Cubs ever win the pennant will you say the National League was
> having a down year?

I will buy long underwear and a parka in anticipation of my death. 

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov 21 09:26:53 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:26:53 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC066DA6@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
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My bad,

I assumed that we have home and home with OSU, Wisky, and UoM.  We only
have one game on the road with Wisky, so assuming we lose all of those
games, we can only lose FOUR more games in the conference to get to
21-10.

So that means we can have one more loss at home against Ill, MSU, UNL,
or Purdue; or one more road loss against Indiana, PSU, Minny, or Iowa
and still go 9-9 in the conference.

Combine that with what Harry reminds me is a 68 team tourney field this
year, and our prospects are looking even better for our first trip to
the dance.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:01 AM
To: Dennis W. Brandt; Scott Zeller, M.D.; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....

This is going to be a challenging season to get to 21 wins (20 didn't
get us in last year).

We've got a 13 game non con season with tough games against Baylor
(currently ranked 11/12) at home and Creighton on the road.  Let's
assume we go 12-1 (loss to Baylor).

OSU, Wisky, and UoM are all ranked in the top 25 this year.

Let's assume we lose all of those games.  

That means we can only afford to lose three more games in conference to
go 9-9 in the conference and finish the regular season at 21-10 and not
have to depend on the BT tourney to get our dance invitation.  So we
have to hold home court against  Ill,  MSU, UNL, and Purdue; beat
Indiana on the road; and sweep PSU, Minny, and Iowa.

Now that I've written it down, it certainly seems doable.  I agree that
the health of our starting 5 is key.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:25 AM
To: Scott Zeller, M.D.; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....

> Wow, "mid-level" teams? You are a tough audience. We beat LSU from the
SEC
> and Seton Hall from the Big East, and a Tulsa team from Conference USA

> that
> has made three NCAA Sweet Sixteens and one Elite Eight.

Let's see what happens during the Big Ten season.  I would love to be as

sanguine as you about the NU basketball team, but this Pennsylvanian is
from 
Missouri.

> If the Cubs ever win the pennant will you say the National League was
> having a down year?

I will buy long underwear and a parka in anticipation of my death. 

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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 21 09:40:58 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:40:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC066DB1@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
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Message-ID: <1321890058.1855.YahooMailRC@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I think that the upgraded non-conference schedule this year should help a lot if 
we go 9-9 in the B1G.

Last year, our schedule was so?weak that I'm not sure that 9-9 would have gotten 
us in (of course, we'll never know)...




________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; Dennis W. Brandt 
<tbng at comcast.net>; "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>; Northwestern 
Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, November 21, 2011 9:26:53 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....

My bad,

I assumed that we have home and home with OSU, Wisky, and UoM.? We only
have one game on the road with Wisky, so assuming we lose all of those
games, we can only lose FOUR more games in the conference to get to
21-10.

So that means we can have one more loss at home against Ill, MSU, UNL,
or Purdue; or one more road loss against Indiana, PSU, Minny, or Iowa
and still go 9-9 in the conference.

Combine that with what Harry reminds me is a 68 team tourney field this
year, and our prospects are looking even better for our first trip to
the dance.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 10:01 AM
To: Dennis W. Brandt; Scott Zeller, M.D.; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....

This is going to be a challenging season to get to 21 wins (20 didn't
get us in last year).

We've got a 13 game non con season with tough games against Baylor
(currently ranked 11/12) at home and Creighton on the road.? Let's
assume we go 12-1 (loss to Baylor).

OSU, Wisky, and UoM are all ranked in the top 25 this year.

Let's assume we lose all of those games.? 

That means we can only afford to lose three more games in conference to
go 9-9 in the conference and finish the regular season at 21-10 and not
have to depend on the BT tourney to get our dance invitation.? So we
have to hold home court against? Ill,? MSU, UNL, and Purdue; beat
Indiana on the road; and sweep PSU, Minny, and Iowa.

Now that I've written it down, it certainly seems doable.? I agree that
the health of our starting 5 is key.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 8:25 AM
To: Scott Zeller, M.D.; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....

> Wow, "mid-level" teams? You are a tough audience. We beat LSU from the
SEC
> and Seton Hall from the Big East, and a Tulsa team from Conference USA

> that
> has made three NCAA Sweet Sixteens and one Elite Eight.

Let's see what happens during the Big Ten season.? I would love to be as

sanguine as you about the NU basketball team, but this Pennsylvanian is
from 
Missouri.

> If the Cubs ever win the pennant will you say the National League was
> having a down year?

I will buy long underwear and a parka in anticipation of my death. 

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 09:43:42 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:43:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC066DB1@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
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 <693E34B06CD04318BEA7DAFC20ED5CC3@dennismachine>
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Message-ID: <1321890222.8622.YahooMailNeo@web161008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

To me, the interesting thing about this non-conference schedule is that because we only play a couple of decent teams, there is a lot of pressure on the Cats to do well in those games. They really can't afford to have an off night. Sweeping this tournament is certainly a good start.?

That game against Creighton in Omaha looms large, given that the Bluejays just hammered Iowa. Hmm, we're travelling back to Omaha for Christmas this year. Might have to see if I can work the dates and get tickets to that game. I'm already 1 for 1 attending NU games played in Nebraska this year.

Tom



From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 21 11:03:35 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 12:03:35 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
In-Reply-To: <1321890222.8622.YahooMailNeo@web161008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
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Message-ID: <000c01cca86f$8239bd00$86ad3700$@com>

Call the Basketball Office and tell them that you were the "lucky charm" for the football
team...

Maybe they'll set you up?

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


That game against Creighton in Omaha looms large, given that the Bluejays just hammered
Iowa. Hmm, we're travelling back to Omaha for Christmas this year. Might have to see if I
can work the dates and get tickets to that game. I'm already 1 for 1 attending NU games
played in Nebraska this year.

Tom



From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 13:01:45 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 11:01:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Oh yeah....
In-Reply-To: <000c01cca86f$8239bd00$86ad3700$@com>
References: <003e01cca801$6cf68270$46e38750$@com>
 <B916382DAE8F49569E1A34944E909B08@dennismachine>
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 <693E34B06CD04318BEA7DAFC20ED5CC3@dennismachine>
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 <000c01cca86f$8239bd00$86ad3700$@com>
Message-ID: <1321902105.88187.YahooMailNeo@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

> Call the Basketball Office and tell them that you were the "lucky?

> charm" for the football?team...
> 
> Maybe they'll set you up?


It's a good idea, as long as the other 5000 NU fans who were there don't try the same thing!

Tom



From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 21 16:26:48 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 16:26:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Halftime show fun
Message-ID: <20111121222648.E5B5C6483F@romaine.tssi.com>

If you haven't seen the videos of the end of the halftime show at
the Oklahoma - Baylor game, it looks like they were having fun and
the crowd loved it.

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVtSaJFqOaQ
--
Mike Nolan


From wildelk2 at aol.com  Mon Nov 21 18:18:57 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 19:18:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Halftime show fun
In-Reply-To: <20111121222648.E5B5C6483F@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111121222648.E5B5C6483F@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <8CE76C3759843CC-CE4-130DDB@webmail-d144.sysops.aol.com>


Hot time in Waco Saturday Night!


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 12:27 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Halftime show fun


If you haven't seen the videos of the end of the halftime show at
the Oklahoma - Baylor game, it looks like they were having fun and
the crowd loved it.

See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVtSaJFqOaQ
--
Mike Nolan

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 21 23:35:14 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:35:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] So, that queasy feeling I had earlier today ...
Message-ID: <1321940114.88315.YahooMailNeo@web121716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... just found out what it was.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/ua/articles/2011/11/21/20111121arizona-wildcats-rich-rodriguez-football.html


A bit slimy for the west coast Wildcats (though not as bad as slick Nick at Bama or Petrino the Piggie) ... though his style will likely fit well in the Pac 12.

I'm still wondering what the heck Michigan was thinking with the RichRod hire. Especially considering ...

* The guy they really wanted when they hired RichRod is about to win another national title at LSU
* The guy they really wanted when they fired RichRod is going to win NFL coach of the year honors
* The guy they wound up with will win the Big Ten coach of the year and is a strong contender for the national award as well

So it would seem that they have good sense in Ann Arbor for looking at coaches ... did Jim Delaney's nepotismal son-in-law who named the divisions make that decision too? :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 21 23:46:20 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 23:46:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] So, that queasy feeling I had earlier today ...
In-Reply-To: <1321940114.88315.YahooMailNeo@web121716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111122054621.1F9A86517C@romaine.tssi.com>

I think the best that can be said for RichRod at Arizona is that he
probably can't make the program much worse.
--
Mike Nolan



From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 22 06:17:49 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:17:49 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] So, that queasy feeling I had earlier today ...
In-Reply-To: <1321940114.88315.YahooMailNeo@web121716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1321940114.88315.YahooMailNeo@web121716.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501cca910$c12bb620$43832260$@com>

But RichRod has a cute family....

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT
(Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:35 AM
To: NUSPORTS
Subject: [NU Sports] So, that queasy feeling I had earlier today ...

... just found out what it was.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/ua/articles/2011/11/21/20111121arizona-wildcats-rich-rodri
guez-football.html


A bit slimy for the west coast Wildcats (though not as bad as slick Nick at Bama or
Petrino the Piggie) ... though his style will likely fit well in the Pac 12.

I'm still wondering what the heck Michigan was thinking with the RichRod hire. Especially
considering ...

* The guy they really wanted when they hired RichRod is about to win another national
title at LSU
* The guy they really wanted when they fired RichRod is going to win NFL coach of the year
honors
* The guy they wound up with will win the Big Ten coach of the year and is a strong
contender for the national award as well

So it would seem that they have good sense in Ann Arbor for looking at coaches ... did Jim
Delaney's nepotismal son-in-law who named the divisions make that decision too? :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Nov 22 07:54:56 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:54:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] So, that queasy feeling I had earlier today ...
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In defense of RichRod, he was dead man walking just about the time that he accepted the Michigan offer.

There was a deep divide at Michigan caused by the last years of Lloyd's tenure.

I don't know that anyone, even Les Miles who was never interviewed for the job, or Jim Harbaugh who didn't want to be the guy following Lloyd, could have been successful in the job that RichRod took.

The warring Michigan factions needed someone other than Lloyd to blame for the state of the program and RichRod was foolish enough to think that he could avoid the inevitable.  Instead RichRod became what he was hired to be - the sacrificial lamb that the program needed to move beyond the legacy of past coaches.  He had to crash and burn so that past coaches could rest in peace and a new "Michigan Man" could come in with a clean slate.  Now Hoke, just like Bo, is free to start a new era of dominant Michigan football on his own terms.

RichRod did his job better than anyone could have imagined, even throwing in an NCAA investigation for something that in the context of more recent events seems quaint and innocent.

The warring factions united in their hate for that Satan RichRod and his sponsor Martin.  The mob ran both out of town and then gathered around the bonfire to sing the Michigan fight song.

There was peace in the valley.

Hoke is the Panchen Lama.  His ties to both Bo (through his father) and Lloyd unifies the Michigan family.  His ascension to head coach has re-instated that old time Michigan football religion and the faithful are once again all singing from the same hymnal. 

There is only one remaining challenge for the young Hoke to complete prove that he is indeed the reincarnation of coaches past.     

This new era of the Hoke will start, as it should, in the same way Bo demonstrated his worthiness - with a win over OSU.  

The broken lineage will be re-established.  

The old myths and legends will again be shared over campfires at the tailgates.

Order will return to the universe.  

Michigan football is back.

Jeff
   

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:35 AM
To: NUSPORTS
Subject: [NU Sports] So, that queasy feeling I had earlier today ...

... just found out what it was.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/ua/articles/2011/11/21/20111121arizona-wildcats-rich-rodriguez-football.html


A bit slimy for the west coast Wildcats (though not as bad as slick Nick at Bama or Petrino the Piggie) ... though his style will likely fit well in the Pac 12.

I'm still wondering what the heck Michigan was thinking with the RichRod hire. Especially considering ...

* The guy they really wanted when they hired RichRod is about to win another national title at LSU
* The guy they really wanted when they fired RichRod is going to win NFL coach of the year honors
* The guy they wound up with will win the Big Ten coach of the year and is a strong contender for the national award as well

So it would seem that they have good sense in Ann Arbor for looking at coaches ... did Jim Delaney's nepotismal son-in-law who named the divisions make that decision too? :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Nov 22 08:15:23 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:15:23 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Joe Girardi's daughter
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375FCD3C3@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/ca_ght_in_the_act_ctCV7kNnQ2HSSgbDMTiqkK


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 22 08:59:12 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (Stephen Truog)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:59:12 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] So, that queasy feeling I had earlier today ...
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True, plus he had the wvu alimni after him ... but RichRod didn't make it any easier with his bravura. Maybe he's learned a little humility ...

STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com


On Nov 22, 2011, at 6:54 AM, "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

> In defense of RichRod, he was dead man walking just about the time that he accepted the Michigan offer.
> 
> There was a deep divide at Michigan caused by the last years of Lloyd's tenure.
> 
> I don't know that anyone, even Les Miles who was never interviewed for the job, or Jim Harbaugh who didn't want to be the guy following Lloyd, could have been successful in the job that RichRod took.
> 
> The warring Michigan factions needed someone other than Lloyd to blame for the state of the program and RichRod was foolish enough to think that he could avoid the inevitable.  Instead RichRod became what he was hired to be - the sacrificial lamb that the program needed to move beyond the legacy of past coaches.  He had to crash and burn so that past coaches could rest in peace and a new "Michigan Man" could come in with a clean slate.  Now Hoke, just like Bo, is free to start a new era of dominant Michigan football on his own terms.
> 
> RichRod did his job better than anyone could have imagined, even throwing in an NCAA investigation for something that in the context of more recent events seems quaint and innocent.
> 
> The warring factions united in their hate for that Satan RichRod and his sponsor Martin.  The mob ran both out of town and then gathered around the bonfire to sing the Michigan fight song.
> 
> There was peace in the valley.
> 
> Hoke is the Panchen Lama.  His ties to both Bo (through his father) and Lloyd unifies the Michigan family.  His ascension to head coach has re-instated that old time Michigan football religion and the faithful are once again all singing from the same hymnal. 
> 
> There is only one remaining challenge for the young Hoke to complete prove that he is indeed the reincarnation of coaches past.     
> 
> This new era of the Hoke will start, as it should, in the same way Bo demonstrated his worthiness - with a win over OSU.  
> 
> The broken lineage will be re-established.  
> 
> The old myths and legends will again be shared over campfires at the tailgates.
> 
> Order will return to the universe.  
> 
> Michigan football is back.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:35 AM
> To: NUSPORTS
> Subject: [NU Sports] So, that queasy feeling I had earlier today ...
> 
> ... just found out what it was.
> 
> http://www.azcentral.com/sports/ua/articles/2011/11/21/20111121arizona-wildcats-rich-rodriguez-football.html
> 
> 
> A bit slimy for the west coast Wildcats (though not as bad as slick Nick at Bama or Petrino the Piggie) ... though his style will likely fit well in the Pac 12.
> 
> I'm still wondering what the heck Michigan was thinking with the RichRod hire. Especially considering ...
> 
> * The guy they really wanted when they hired RichRod is about to win another national title at LSU
> * The guy they really wanted when they fired RichRod is going to win NFL coach of the year honors
> * The guy they wound up with will win the Big Ten coach of the year and is a strong contender for the national award as well
> 
> So it would seem that they have good sense in Ann Arbor for looking at coaches ... did Jim Delaney's nepotismal son-in-law who named the divisions make that decision too? :)
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
>  
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Nov 22 09:15:01 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:15:01 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] More on Paterno
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu7oTj3TEqQe8iY1kmXKBNhJZcTpHXD7dLMcESeENct4Rw@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-22/11-22-11-Paterno-Discipline/51346682/1?csp=34sports&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories+%28Sports+-+College+Football+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

"The highest official in State College, Pa., is Joe Paterno. I don't care
what anybody else's title is, he ran the show up there. And he knew about
everything. There's no doubt it in anybody's mind that it all comes back to
JoePa,"

Nothing to the level of the current situations, but it's pretty clear that
JoePa was good at covering things up when he was still in charge.

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu

From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 09:28:55 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:28:55 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] More on Paterno
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu7oTj3TEqQe8iY1kmXKBNhJZcTpHXD7dLMcESeENct4Rw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxRJu7oTj3TEqQe8iY1kmXKBNhJZcTpHXD7dLMcESeENct4Rw@mail.gmail.com>
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I will only make a comment that the  SI cover story  ridiculed the moment of silence before the Nebraska/PSU game because it was silence that likely led to Sandusky being able to ply his trade. Talk about a low blow ! 

Harry 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 10:15:01 
To: NU Sports Listserv<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] More on Paterno

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-22/11-22-11-Paterno-Discipline/51346682/1?csp=34sports&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories+%28Sports+-+College+Football+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

"The highest official in State College, Pa., is Joe Paterno. I don't care
what anybody else's title is, he ran the show up there. And he knew about
everything. There's no doubt it in anybody's mind that it all comes back to
JoePa,"

Nothing to the level of the current situations, but it's pretty clear that
JoePa was good at covering things up when he was still in charge.

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 22 09:53:36 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 07:53:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Joe Girardi's daughter
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375FCD3C3@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375FCD3C3@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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>http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/yankees/ca_ght_in_the_act_ctCV7kNnQ2HSSgbDMTiqkK


Very nice!

Tom


From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov 22 09:58:28 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 09:58:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] More on Paterno
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I thought the Wall Street Journal's story was even more critical of
Paterno.

Don't know if it is available to non-subscribers, but here's a link:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204443404577052073672561402.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop

I have to wonder how many other schools are still hiding serious incidents
behind internal secret athletic department disciplinary proceedings, like Penn
State was.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 22 11:29:01 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 12:29:01 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Skip's Blog....
Message-ID: <000301cca93c$3a3956f0$aeac04d0$@com>

The first paragraph of Skip Mylenski's blog on the NUSports.com page feigns ignorance on
why the Cats were so good on the first 3 series, then came back later with another hot
knife thru butter drive.

In all 4 of those drives, the Cats were running their hurry-up offense, the one that keeps
defensive linemen panting, and linebackers on their heels. You could plainly see that
Minny's D was out of position on many plays, and NU used a quick snap to get the ball
moving fast.

Once they had the 3 TD lead, they went back to a slower pace that burned the clock, and
probably save the D some field time, but was less effective as Minny could organize their
blitzes, and get everyone in the right place.

My prescription for MSU?

No Huddle - Quick Snaps - score early and often.

rsl  

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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Nov 22 13:07:49 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:07:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU Game
Message-ID: <8CE776129922097-166C-D535@webmail-m147.sysops.aol.com>

The 'Cats are 6 1/2-point 'dogs to Sparty, according to today's NY POST.  I like it when better when our opponent is favored.  Will MSU be motivated here?   We certainly know the 'Cats will be.

From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov 22 13:09:37 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:09:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU Game
In-Reply-To: <8CE776129922097-166C-D535@webmail-m147.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111122190937.AACFA6519F@romaine.tssi.com>

> The 'Cats are 6 1/2-point 'dogs to Sparty, according to today's NY POST.  I like it when better when our opponent is favored.  Will MSU be motivated here?   We certainly know the 'Cats will be.

Wow, I would have expected the Cats to be much more than a touchdown
underdogs in that game.

Must mean that Vegas also believes in the Cats! :-)
--
Mike Nolan


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 22 13:14:35 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 11:14:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU Game
In-Reply-To: <20111122190937.AACFA6519F@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <8CE776129922097-166C-D535@webmail-m147.sysops.aol.com>
 <20111122190937.AACFA6519F@romaine.tssi.com>
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Is there any motivation for MSU to rest players? The game is essentially meaningless to them but next week matters a lot. 
?
Jim
 

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Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] MSU Game
 
> The 'Cats are 6 1/2-point 'dogs to Sparty, according to today's NY POST.? I like it when better when our opponent is favored.? Will MSU be motivated here??  We certainly know the 'Cats will be.

Wow, I would have expected the Cats to be much more than a touchdown
underdogs in that game.

Must mean that Vegas also believes in the Cats! :-)
--
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov 22 13:36:13 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:36:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU Game
In-Reply-To: <1321989275.56304.YahooMailNeo@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111122193613.4B17D651AC@romaine.tssi.com>

> Is there any motivation for MSU to rest players? The game is essentially 
> meaningless to them but next week matters a lot. 

Back to back losses (assuming they also lose the conference championship
game) might affect their bowl placement, though they're guaranteed to 
drop to no further than 4th pick by virtue of being in the conference 
championship game.  

But if Wisconsin goes to the Rose Bowl, and Michigan goes to the Sugar
Bowl, what team would a bowl want next if not Michigan State?  Nebraska
is the only one that comes to mind. (Husker fans have the reputation of
travelling well to bowl games, I don't know if that's really the case.)

If Penn State beats both Wisconsin and Michigan State, then things could 
get tricker.

A loss to the Cats would definitely affect their standing in the polls.
I think they'll be reasonably motivated against us.  Which would make
a Northwestern win just so much sweeter!  (My wife is still getting 'hey,
you guys beat us!' comments on the UNL campus.  She just smiles.)
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Nov 22 13:50:13 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:50:13 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU Game
In-Reply-To: <20111122193613.4B17D651AC@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1321989275.56304.YahooMailNeo@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <20111122193613.4B17D651AC@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC066EBE@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Isn't there something in the BCS formula that eliminates three loss
teams as long as there are still sufficient two loss teams to fill out
their bowl games?

If so, that's their reason to take our game seriously.

Even if they win the BT championship game, a loss to us will eliminate
them from a BCS bowl.

That said, I would prefer that they bring their best game and we beat
them anyway.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 2:36 PM
To: jleonard518 at yahoo.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] MSU Game

> Is there any motivation for MSU to rest players? The game is
essentially 
> meaningless to them but next week matters a lot. 

Back to back losses (assuming they also lose the conference championship
game) might affect their bowl placement, though they're guaranteed to 
drop to no further than 4th pick by virtue of being in the conference 
championship game.  

But if Wisconsin goes to the Rose Bowl, and Michigan goes to the Sugar
Bowl, what team would a bowl want next if not Michigan State?  Nebraska
is the only one that comes to mind. (Husker fans have the reputation of
travelling well to bowl games, I don't know if that's really the case.)

If Penn State beats both Wisconsin and Michigan State, then things could

get tricker.

A loss to the Cats would definitely affect their standing in the polls.
I think they'll be reasonably motivated against us.  Which would make
a Northwestern win just so much sweeter!  (My wife is still getting
'hey,
you guys beat us!' comments on the UNL campus.  She just smiles.)
--
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov 22 13:55:59 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 13:55:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU Game
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC066EBE@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <20111122195559.B492E651AE@romaine.tssi.com>

> Isn't there something in the BCS formula that eliminates three loss
> teams as long as there are still sufficient two loss teams to fill out
> their bowl games?

Not according to this site:

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bcs_selection_procedures.html

BCS Automatic Qualification, At-Large Eligibility
and Selection Procedures, 2011-2014 Games
from BCS Releases
Updated 4/9/10

Automatic Qualification
1. The top two teams in the final BCS Standings shall play in the 
   National Championship Game.

2. The champions of the Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, 
   Pac-10, and Southeastern conferences will have automatic berths in 
   one of the participating bowls through the 2013 regular season.
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Nov 22 14:07:25 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:07:25 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU Game
In-Reply-To: <20111122195559.B492E651AE@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC066EBE@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <20111122195559.B492E651AE@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC066EC2@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

OK, then I agree with others.

The only game that really matters is the BT championship.  

Win and you are in.  

Lose and you are out (at least of the BCS).

If I were Dantonio, I would treat our game as an NFL pre-season game.  

First string plays the first series or two and then sits.  

In fact, I would devote the practice time this week to preparing for
Wisky (since they are the likely opponent).

If they win the BT championship game, everyone will remark on how smart
he was.  If he loses, nobody is going to criticize him for his "all in"
attempt to win.  On the other hand, if he does the ethical thing and
plays the NU game straight up and Cousins or Gholston, for example, gets
injured and they then lose the BT championship game, there is going to
be a lot of second guessing going on.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Nolan [mailto:nolan at tssi.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 2:56 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff
Cc: Mike Nolan; jleonard518 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] MSU Game

> Isn't there something in the BCS formula that eliminates three loss
> teams as long as there are still sufficient two loss teams to fill out
> their bowl games?

Not according to this site:

http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/bcs_selection_procedures.html

BCS Automatic Qualification, At-Large Eligibility
and Selection Procedures, 2011-2014 Games
from BCS Releases
Updated 4/9/10

Automatic Qualification
1. The top two teams in the final BCS Standings shall play in the 
   National Championship Game.

2. The champions of the Atlantic Coast, Big East, Big Ten, Big 12, 
   Pac-10, and Southeastern conferences will have automatic berths in 
   one of the participating bowls through the 2013 regular season.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 22 17:41:39 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:41:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU Game
In-Reply-To: <20111122193613.4B17D651AC@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1321989275.56304.YahooMailNeo@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <20111122193613.4B17D651AC@romaine.tssi.com>
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I'm not sure Dantonio will do it ... but it would be the smart move if he did rest the starters and no one could really blame him.
?
MSU will be the fourth pick no matter what for Big Ten bowls (didn't know they could drop no lower than 4th, but that's a good rule to save the conference title game loser from falling while other bowls make their deals).
?
They win vs. Wisconsin and they're Pasadena bound.
?
If not, they won't get an at-large B(C)S berth anyways (fans/ratings below Michigan or UNL) and they Citrus would likely frown from having them as a repeat visitor - especially after that egg they laid against Bama last year.
?
Nebraska has the newness factor to Big Ten bowls and the reverse is true for their fans, who will have Orlando or Tampa as a new destination to add this year -- plus they bring ratings.
?
So this game has all the meaning of a preseason game for Sparty.
?
However, Dantonio strikes me as an old-school coach who won't let his players see this as a gimme or meaningless game ... plus Big Ten coaches are new to this playoff thing with the title game.
?
I expect NU will need its A-game to win. The good news is that MSU is largely a one-dimensional team and we do well against one-dimensional teams ... the bad news is that one dimension is passing. So Cousins could have a field day. Their defensive line is also the most physical in the league so it will be a test for our O to sustain drives and score, score, score some more.
?
If any of you have friends in common with Coach Dantonio, I suggest you explain to him that this game means nothing for MSU and could mean everything for NU -- I don't want to leave it to the 6-6 at-large choices.
?
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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To: jleonard518 at yahoo.com 
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] MSU Game

> Is there any motivation for MSU to rest players? The game is essentially 
> meaningless to them but next week matters a lot. 

Back to back losses (assuming they also lose the conference championship
game) might affect their bowl placement, though they're guaranteed to 
drop to no further than 4th pick by virtue of being in the conference 
championship game.? 

But if Wisconsin goes to the Rose Bowl, and Michigan goes to the Sugar
Bowl, what team would a bowl want next if not Michigan State?? Nebraska
is the only one that comes to mind. (Husker fans have the reputation of
travelling well to bowl games, I don't know if that's really the case.)

If Penn State beats both Wisconsin and Michigan State, then things could 
get tricker.

A loss to the Cats would definitely affect their standing in the polls.
I think they'll be reasonably motivated against us.? Which would make
a Northwestern win just so much sweeter!? (My wife is still getting 'hey,
you guys beat us!' comments on the UNL campus.? She just smiles.)
--
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 23 10:51:33 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:51:33 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno's "Dark Side?"
Message-ID: <000001ccaa00$289b2580$79d17080$@com>

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-22/11-22-11-Paterno-D
iscipline/51346682/1

not a flattering picture of State Penn football, altho I know just about every head coach
in every intercollegiate sport wants problems with players to come to him or her first.

I also suspect that most school administrators would rather have the coaches deal with
discipline problems - after all, they control the money that keeps the kid in school.

And I'm sure Fitz gets called every time one of his guys screws up. Come to think of it, I
wouldn't want to screw up and have Fitz on my case....

rsl

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Nov 23 11:34:10 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:34:10 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno's "Dark Side?"
In-Reply-To: <000001ccaa00$289b2580$79d17080$@com>
References: <000001ccaa00$289b2580$79d17080$@com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC066F45@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

First a disclaimer:  I'm not defending Joe's actions regarding the Sandusky scandal.  This post is about all of the other stuff that is now getting printed.

This "other" stuff happens every time a key person is removed from a position of power in any organization.

Being in charge means making decisions and taking responsibility for them.

Joe Pa couldn't do that and also be everyone's friend.

If that is the definition of a "dark side", I think every leader has one. 

So now all of those folks who LOST an argument with Joe are popping up to tell their side of the story.  The problem is that Joe isn't getting any chance to tell his.  

This is the point at which the mob gets ugly.  We all loved the Joe Pa story.  As a result, we turned him into a pop idol.  He played along because it gave him the power he needed to stay on the job that he loved.  Now when we find that he was just another flawed human, we condemn him for not being the perfect person WE created.  Worse than that we also seem to have a morbid fascination with the whole process of destroying his character.

Those Greeks knew what they were talking about.

Jeff



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Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 11:52 AM
To: 'Northwestern Wildcats'
Subject: [NU Sports] Paterno's "Dark Side?"

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/bigten/story/2011-11-22/11-22-11-Paterno-D
iscipline/51346682/1

not a flattering picture of State Penn football, altho I know just about every head coach
in every intercollegiate sport wants problems with players to come to him or her first.

I also suspect that most school administrators would rather have the coaches deal with
discipline problems - after all, they control the money that keeps the kid in school.

And I'm sure Fitz gets called every time one of his guys screws up. Come to think of it, I
wouldn't want to screw up and have Fitz on my case....

rsl

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================================================
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those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 23 11:21:46 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Charles Herron)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:21:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
Message-ID: <8CE781B837C4FFE-9C8-1873F@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>

>From Monday's Chicago Tribune:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--20111122,0,4521971,full.story

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

From DPENDERG at aol.com  Wed Nov 23 15:30:56 2011
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:30:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
Message-ID: <12e5e.24d1c382.3bfec010@aol.com>

Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.   
Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking  at 
bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and Navy 
this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our options 
open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive, 
high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a large NU 
alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident, but I 
believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect of 
pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions. I 
don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke in 
Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct me.   
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cherron604 at aol.com writes:

>From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--
20111122,0,4521971,full.story

Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov 23 16:16:25 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:16:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <12e5e.24d1c382.3bfec010@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111123221626.1370F65199@romaine.tssi.com>

Don't know if it will impact us, but the University of Miami (the one 
in Florida) opted out of a bowl game this year because of pending NCAA 
violations, hoping to beat the NCAA to the punch on sanctions.  

Closer to home, Penn State and Ohio State have both said that they will 
NOT opt out of a bowl game this year.  It may take a year or longer before
the NCAA even has a hearing on any possible violations of NCAA bylaws
against Penn State, much less announces any possible sanctions.

It is unlikely that the NCAA will come out with sanctions against Ohio 
State before bowl bids come out in under two week. Which means that if 
they are penalized with a bowl ban, which some writers think unlikely, 
even fewer of those responsible for the sanctions will be around to 
be affected by them.
--
Mike Nolan



From DPENDERG at aol.com  Wed Nov 23 16:18:22 2011
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:18:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
Message-ID: <352c.a6eca9b.3bfecb2e@aol.com>

You're right.  I remember now too since I was in fact there in  Annapolis.  
Must have been close to ten years ago.
 
 
In a message dated 11/23/2011 4:39:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cherron604 at aol.com writes:

I remember  the game at Navy a few years back...

Chuck Herron   Tech  '85






-----Original  Message-----
From: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports  <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:31 pm
Subject: Re:  [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections


Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.   
 
 Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking  
at 
 
 bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and 
Navy 
 
 this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our options 
 
 open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive, 
 
 high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a 
large NU 
 
 alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident, 
but I 
 
 believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect 
of 
 
 pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions. 
I 
 
 don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke 
in 
 
 Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct 
me.   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 
 _cherron604 at aol.com_ (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com)  writes:
 
 
 
 From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
 
 
 
 
_http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_ 
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--) 
 
 20111122,0,4521971,full.story
 
 
 
 Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85
 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 23 16:23:03 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 17:23:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <352c.a6eca9b.3bfecb2e@aol.com>
References: <352c.a6eca9b.3bfecb2e@aol.com>
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As was I along with my boys.

Splendid time - great game - even with the anti NU commercials on the video screen.

rsl

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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
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from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
DPENDERG at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:18 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections

You're right.  I remember now too since I was in fact there in  Annapolis.  
Must have been close to ten years ago.
 
 
In a message dated 11/23/2011 4:39:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cherron604 at aol.com writes:

I remember  the game at Navy a few years back...

Chuck Herron   Tech  '85






-----Original  Message-----
From: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports  <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:31 pm
Subject: Re:  [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections


Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.   
 
 Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking  
at 
 
 bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and 
Navy 
 
 this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our options 
 
 open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive, 
 
 high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a 
large NU 
 
 alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident, 
but I 
 
 believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect 
of 
 
 pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions. 
I 
 
 don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke 
in 
 
 Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct 
me.   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 
 _cherron604 at aol.com_ (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com)  writes:
 
 
 
 From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
 
 
 
 
_http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_ 
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--) 
 
 20111122,0,4521971,full.story
 
 
 
 Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85
 
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Wed Nov 23 17:11:20 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:11:20 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <12e5e.24d1c382.3bfec010@aol.com>
References: <12e5e.24d1c382.3bfec010@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAHChqvjQT88XL8pF4rXR3rXoZLNvvb87oQdsYkQep-+Wb9cCEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey -- you East Coast types already got Boston and New York this year, it
is only fair that we get something west of Iowa to attend. San Francisco,
New Mexico, Tempe, any of the Texas sites, all sound great. Plus, isn't
late December in DC on the frigid side?

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:30 PM, <DPENDERG at aol.com> wrote:

> Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.
> Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking  at
> bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and
> Navy
> this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our options
> open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive,
> high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a
> large NU
> alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident,
> but I
> believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect of
> pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions. I
> don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke
> in
> Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct
> me.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> cherron604 at aol.com writes:
>
> From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
>
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--
> 20111122,0,4521971,full.story<http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--20111122,0,4521971,full.story>
>
> Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 23 19:06:34 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 20:06:34 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvjQT88XL8pF4rXR3rXoZLNvvb87oQdsYkQep-+Wb9cCEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <12e5e.24d1c382.3bfec010@aol.com>
 <CAHChqvjQT88XL8pF4rXR3rXoZLNvvb87oQdsYkQep-+Wb9cCEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005b01ccaa45$4fbdb5c0$ef392140$@com>

Might be cold, might be 90 deg...

You never know in DC

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Scott
Zeller, M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:11 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections

Hey -- you East Coast types already got Boston and New York this year, it
is only fair that we get something west of Iowa to attend. San Francisco,
New Mexico, Tempe, any of the Texas sites, all sound great. Plus, isn't
late December in DC on the frigid side?

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:30 PM, <DPENDERG at aol.com> wrote:

> Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.
> Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking  at
> bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and
> Navy
> this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our options
> open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive,
> high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a
> large NU
> alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident,
> but I
> believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect of
> pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions. I
> don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke
> in
> Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct
> me.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> cherron604 at aol.com writes:
>
> From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
>
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--
>
20111122,0,4521971,full.story<http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-nor
thwestern-foot--20111122,0,4521971,full.story>
>
> Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Nov 24 05:44:07 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 06:44:07 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
References: <12e5e.24d1c382.3bfec010@aol.com>
 <CAHChqvjQT88XL8pF4rXR3rXoZLNvvb87oQdsYkQep-+Wb9cCEQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <005b01ccaa45$4fbdb5c0$ef392140$@com>
Message-ID: <6A205A5ABB98454ABD4FF6D774C55018@dennismachine>

I would love to have us play in Washington.  It's little more than an hour 
drive and a short trip on the Metro orange line to RFK for Eric Kunkel and 
me.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: "'Scott Zeller, M.D.'" <scottzel at gmail.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections


Might be cold, might be 90 deg...

You never know in DC

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do,
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats - Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott
Zeller, M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:11 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections

Hey -- you East Coast types already got Boston and New York this year, it
is only fair that we get something west of Iowa to attend. San Francisco,
New Mexico, Tempe, any of the Texas sites, all sound great. Plus, isn't
late December in DC on the frigid side?

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:30 PM, <DPENDERG at aol.com> wrote:

> Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.
> Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking 
> at
> bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and
> Navy
> this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our options
> open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive,
> high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a
> large NU
> alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident,
> but I
> believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect 
> of
> pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions. 
> I
> don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke
> in
> Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct
> me.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> cherron604 at aol.com writes:
>
> From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
>
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--
>
20111122,0,4521971,full.story<http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-nor
thwestern-foot--20111122,0,4521971,full.story>
>
> Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 24 08:29:24 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:29:24 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Urban Meyer to dOSU?
Message-ID: <000d01ccaab5$77726550$66572ff0$@com>

http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/11/24/meyer-to-take-over-at-osu.html

gee, will he improve the graduation rate?

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From wildelk2 at aol.com  Thu Nov 24 08:57:26 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:57:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <352c.a6eca9b.3bfecb2e@aol.com>
References: <352c.a6eca9b.3bfecb2e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CE78D0835F8F44-700-2AF79@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com>


List Gang,


   Count me as one of those who'd love to see a 6-6 NU team in DC. I went to the Military Bowl two years ago when UCLA beat Temple. UCLA had many more fans there than I thought, and Temple brought 10,000 down from Philly. UCLA won when Bernard Pierce left the game (knee?) and Temple had trouble passing.


   I believe NU played in Annapolis in 2002.   Navy at NU was canceled because of 9/11.  I was there as well as my 8 year old daughter, who bawled when 2 f-14's did a fly-over before kick-off. Coach Roy was there to witness the whole thing!  One of Baz's first starts, we won 49-40 over a bad Navy team; may have been Paul Johnson's first year. After that game I knew 2002 was going to suck, just like the 2nd half of the 2001 season. They did.  I call the 2nd half of 2001 and 2002 "mini Dark Age", but 2002 toughened our young players for 2003,2004 and 2005.


   I don't expect to see NU in DC as we'll beat Team Green, but in the rare event that this may happen, go to DC Cats!


   Happy Thanksgiving List Gang!      Go CATS!!     Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections


You're right.  I remember now too since I was in fact there in  Annapolis.  
Must have been close to ten years ago.
 
 
In a message dated 11/23/2011 4:39:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cherron604 at aol.com writes:

I remember  the game at Navy a few years back...

Chuck Herron   Tech  '85






-----Original  Message-----
From: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports  <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:31 pm
Subject: Re:  [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections


Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.   
 
 Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking  
at 
 
 bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and 
Navy 
 
 this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our options 
 
 open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive, 
 
 high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a 
large NU 
 
 alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident, 
but I 
 
 believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect 
of 
 
 pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions. 
I 
 
 don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke 
in 
 
 Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct 
me.   
 
  
 
  
 
  
 
 In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 
 _cherron604 at aol.com_ (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com)  writes:
 
 
 
 From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
 
 
 
 
_http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_ 
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--) 
 
 20111122,0,4521971,full.story
 
 
 
 Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85
 
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Thu Nov 24 08:59:17 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:59:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <6A205A5ABB98454ABD4FF6D774C55018@dennismachine>
References: <12e5e.24d1c382.3bfec010@aol.com><CAHChqvjQT88XL8pF4rXR3rXoZLNvvb87oQdsYkQep-+Wb9cCEQ@mail.gmail.com><005b01ccaa45$4fbdb5c0$ef392140$@com>
 <6A205A5ABB98454ABD4FF6D774C55018@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <8CE78D0C5F5D588-700-2AFFA@web-mmc-d03.sysops.aol.com>

And Eric knows a warm spot to grab a beer and a sandwich near RFK as well:)    



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; 'Scott Zeller, M.D.' <scottzel at gmail.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 1:44 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections


I would love to have us play in Washington.  It's little more than an hour 
drive and a short trip on the Metro orange line to RFK for Eric Kunkel and 
me.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: "'Scott Zeller, M.D.'" <scottzel at gmail.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections


Might be cold, might be 90 deg...

You never know in DC

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford:
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do,
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats - Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On 
Behalf Of Scott
Zeller, M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 6:11 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections

Hey -- you East Coast types already got Boston and New York this year, it
is only fair that we get something west of Iowa to attend. San Francisco,
New Mexico, Tempe, any of the Texas sites, all sound great. Plus, isn't
late December in DC on the frigid side?

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 1:30 PM, <DPENDERG at aol.com> wrote:

> Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.
> Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking 
> at
> bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and
> Navy
> this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our options
> open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive,
> high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a
> large NU
> alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident,
> but I
> believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect 
> of
> pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions. 
> I
> don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke
> in
> Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct
> me.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> cherron604 at aol.com writes:
>
> From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
>
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--
>
20111122,0,4521971,full.story<http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-nor
thwestern-foot--20111122,0,4521971,full.story>
>
> Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Thu Nov 24 10:03:10 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:03:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Kyle Rawley Thanksgiving Update
Message-ID: <8CE78D9B26243C1-1F84-29EFC@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com>

 List Gang,


   Put your fork down for a second.   Kyle Rawley is averaging 2.0 ppg and 1/2 a rebound for the St.Mary's Gaels.


   Please resume eating and watching football....    ek

From scottzel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 10:46:27 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 08:46:27 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Urban Meyer to dOSU?
In-Reply-To: <000d01ccaab5$77726550$66572ff0$@com>
References: <000d01ccaab5$77726550$66572ff0$@com>
Message-ID: <CAHChqvj5VFRnLAhHcVNE4NBWy0gnwMdCdwFpaa=v2TgWpW9W=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps given his contacts he can help facilitate dOSU's move to the SEC,
where their programs would fit in much better.

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 6:29 AM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:

>
> http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/11/24/meyer-to-take-over-at-osu.html
>
> gee, will he improve the graduation rate?
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
> Weather in Seaford:
> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ================================================
> Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
> those of any organizations of which I am a member.
> ------------------------------------------------
> The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
> from those who are willing to work and give it to
> those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do,
> I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
> =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
> If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
> tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
>                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
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From DPENDERG at aol.com  Thu Nov 24 13:22:59 2011
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:22:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
Message-ID: <a726.40a1fb41.3bfff393@aol.com>

As much as I would like to see the Cats in Washington, I am not  
optimistic.  If they beat the Spartans, they will get invited to something  a tier or 
two above the Military Bowl.  At 6-6, however, my gut instinct is  that they 
will opt for a bowl that can offer a better financial offer than the  D.C. 
bowl.  Ultimately, the bottom line is that a school's post-season  decision 
is indeed governed by the bottom line.  I'd like to be wrong and  believe 
appearing in the Nation's Capital has a high profile and a connection  with a 
large alumni base in the East.  I've, in fact, made the case to AD  Jim 
Phillips in an email and others may wish to weigh in, too.  
 
 
In a message dated 11/24/2011 9:57:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wildelk2 at aol.com writes:


List Gang,  


Count me as one of those who'd love to see a 6-6 NU team in  DC. I went to 
the Military Bowl two years ago when UCLA beat Temple. UCLA had  many more 
fans there than I thought, and Temple brought 10,000 down from  Philly. UCLA 
won when Bernard Pierce left the game (knee?) and Temple had  trouble 
passing.


I believe NU played in Annapolis in 2002.   Navy at NU  was canceled 
because of 9/11.  I was there as well as my 8 year old  daughter, who bawled when 
2 f-14's did a fly-over before kick-off. Coach Roy  was there to witness the 
whole thing!  One of Baz's first starts, we won  49-40 over a bad Navy 
team; may have been Paul Johnson's first year. After  that game I knew 2002 was 
going to suck, just like the 2nd half of the 2001  season. They did.  I call 
the 2nd half of 2001 and 2002 "mini Dark Age",  but 2002 toughened our 
young players for 2003,2004 and 2005.


I don't expect to see NU in DC as we'll beat Team Green, but  in the rare 
event that this may happen, go to DC Cats!


Happy Thanksgiving List Gang!      Go CATS!!  Eric

-----Original  Message-----
From: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports  <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:18 pm
Subject:  Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections


You're right.  I remember now too since I was in fact there in  Annapolis.  
 Must have been close to ten years ago.
  
  
 In a message dated 11/23/2011 4:39:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 _cherron604 at aol.com_ (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com)  writes:
 
 I remember  the game at Navy a few years back...
 
 Chuck Herron   Tech  '85
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original  Message-----
 From: DPENDERG <_DPENDERG at aol.com_ (mailto:DPENDERG at aol.com) >
 To: nwu-sports  <_nwu-sports at tssi.com_ (mailto:nwu-sports at tssi.com) >
 Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:31 pm
 Subject: Re:  [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
 
 
 Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.   
  
  Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking  
 at 
  
  bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and 
 Navy 
  
  this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our 
options 
  
  open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive, 
  
  high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a 
 large NU 
  
  alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident, 
 but I 
  
  believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect 
 of 
  
  pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions. 
 I 
  
  don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke 
 in 
  
  Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct 
 me.   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
  In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
  
  _cherron604 at aol.com_ (_mailto:cherron604 at aol.com_ 
(mailto:cherron604 at aol.com?) )  writes:
  
  
  
  From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
  
  
  
  
 
_http://_www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--__ 
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_)  
 
(_http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_ 
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--) ) 
  
  20111122,0,4521971,full.story
  
  
  
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 13:43:36 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 11:43:36 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <a726.40a1fb41.3bfff393@aol.com>
References: <a726.40a1fb41.3bfff393@aol.com>
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Remember that in the B1G the bowl payouts go to the conference, not the
individual schools.
A google search of "bowl projections" has >50% of the sites predicting NU
in San Francisco on New Year's Eve. Also of interest, one site predicting
New Orleans in mid-December. That could be fun and certainly easier with
the flights and costs, being a little off-season.

On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, <DPENDERG at aol.com> wrote:

> As much as I would like to see the Cats in Washington, I am not
> optimistic.  If they beat the Spartans, they will get invited to something
>  a tier or
> two above the Military Bowl.  At 6-6, however, my gut instinct is  that
> they
> will opt for a bowl that can offer a better financial offer than the  D.C.
> bowl.  Ultimately, the bottom line is that a school's post-season  decision
> is indeed governed by the bottom line.  I'd like to be wrong and  believe
> appearing in the Nation's Capital has a high profile and a connection
>  with a
> large alumni base in the East.  I've, in fact, made the case to AD  Jim
> Phillips in an email and others may wish to weigh in, too.
>
>
> In a message dated 11/24/2011 9:57:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> wildelk2 at aol.com writes:
>
>
> List Gang,
>
>
> Count me as one of those who'd love to see a 6-6 NU team in  DC. I went to
> the Military Bowl two years ago when UCLA beat Temple. UCLA had  many more
> fans there than I thought, and Temple brought 10,000 down from  Philly.
> UCLA
> won when Bernard Pierce left the game (knee?) and Temple had  trouble
> passing.
>
>
> I believe NU played in Annapolis in 2002.   Navy at NU  was canceled
> because of 9/11.  I was there as well as my 8 year old  daughter, who
> bawled when
> 2 f-14's did a fly-over before kick-off. Coach Roy  was there to witness
> the
> whole thing!  One of Baz's first starts, we won  49-40 over a bad Navy
> team; may have been Paul Johnson's first year. After  that game I knew
> 2002 was
> going to suck, just like the 2nd half of the 2001  season. They did.  I
> call
> the 2nd half of 2001 and 2002 "mini Dark Age",  but 2002 toughened our
> young players for 2003,2004 and 2005.
>
>
> I don't expect to see NU in DC as we'll beat Team Green, but  in the rare
> event that this may happen, go to DC Cats!
>
>
> Happy Thanksgiving List Gang!      Go CATS!!  Eric
>
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
> To: nwu-sports  <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:18 pm
> Subject:  Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>
> You're right.  I remember now too since I was in fact there in  Annapolis.
>  Must have been close to ten years ago.
>
>
>  In a message dated 11/23/2011 4:39:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>  _cherron604 at aol.com_ (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com)  writes:
>
>  I remember  the game at Navy a few years back...
>
>  Chuck Herron   Tech  '85
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original  Message-----
>  From: DPENDERG <_DPENDERG at aol.com_ (mailto:DPENDERG at aol.com) >
>  To: nwu-sports  <_nwu-sports at tssi.com_ (mailto:nwu-sports at tssi.com) >
>  Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:31 pm
>  Subject: Re:  [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>
>  Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.
>
>  Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking
>  at
>
>  bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and
>  Navy
>
>  this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our
> options
>
>  open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive,
>
>  high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a
>  large NU
>
>  alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident,
>  but I
>
>  believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect
>  of
>
>  pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions.
>  I
>
>  don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke
>  in
>
>  Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct
>  me.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
>   _cherron604 at aol.com_ (_mailto:cherron604 at aol.com_
> (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com?) )  writes:
>
>
>
>  From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
>
>
>
>
>
> _http://_
> www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--__
> (
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_
> )
>
> (_
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_
> (
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--)
> )
>
>  20111122,0,4521971,full.story
>
>
>
>  Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Nov 24 13:45:34 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 19:45:34 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <a726.40a1fb41.3bfff393@aol.com>
References: <a726.40a1fb41.3bfff393@aol.com>
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Im not sure given the difference in payouts for the lower tier bowls and the splitting among the conference ( I think we get half) that payout  money is the key driver on bowl selection. You are generally not talking about a large amount of money

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: DPENDERG at aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:22:59 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections

As much as I would like to see the Cats in Washington, I am not  
optimistic.  If they beat the Spartans, they will get invited to something  a tier or 
two above the Military Bowl.  At 6-6, however, my gut instinct is  that they 
will opt for a bowl that can offer a better financial offer than the  D.C. 
bowl.  Ultimately, the bottom line is that a school's post-season  decision 
is indeed governed by the bottom line.  I'd like to be wrong and  believe 
appearing in the Nation's Capital has a high profile and a connection  with a 
large alumni base in the East.  I've, in fact, made the case to AD  Jim 
Phillips in an email and others may wish to weigh in, too.  
 
 
In a message dated 11/24/2011 9:57:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wildelk2 at aol.com writes:


List Gang,  


Count me as one of those who'd love to see a 6-6 NU team in  DC. I went to 
the Military Bowl two years ago when UCLA beat Temple. UCLA had  many more 
fans there than I thought, and Temple brought 10,000 down from  Philly. UCLA 
won when Bernard Pierce left the game (knee?) and Temple had  trouble 
passing.


I believe NU played in Annapolis in 2002.   Navy at NU  was canceled 
because of 9/11.  I was there as well as my 8 year old  daughter, who bawled when 
2 f-14's did a fly-over before kick-off. Coach Roy  was there to witness the 
whole thing!  One of Baz's first starts, we won  49-40 over a bad Navy 
team; may have been Paul Johnson's first year. After  that game I knew 2002 was 
going to suck, just like the 2nd half of the 2001  season. They did.  I call 
the 2nd half of 2001 and 2002 "mini Dark Age",  but 2002 toughened our 
young players for 2003,2004 and 2005.


I don't expect to see NU in DC as we'll beat Team Green, but  in the rare 
event that this may happen, go to DC Cats!


Happy Thanksgiving List Gang!      Go CATS!!  Eric

-----Original  Message-----
From: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports  <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:18 pm
Subject:  Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections


You're right.  I remember now too since I was in fact there in  Annapolis.  
 Must have been close to ten years ago.
  
  
 In a message dated 11/23/2011 4:39:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
 _cherron604 at aol.com_ (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com)  writes:
 
 I remember  the game at Navy a few years back...
 
 Chuck Herron   Tech  '85
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original  Message-----
 From: DPENDERG <_DPENDERG at aol.com_ (mailto:DPENDERG at aol.com) >
 To: nwu-sports  <_nwu-sports at tssi.com_ (mailto:nwu-sports at tssi.com) >
 Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:31 pm
 Subject: Re:  [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
 
 
 Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.   
  
  Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking  
 at 
  
  bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and 
 Navy 
  
  this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our 
options 
  
  open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive, 
  
  high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a 
 large NU 
  
  alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident, 
 but I 
  
  believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect 
 of 
  
  pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions. 
 I 
  
  don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke 
 in 
  
  Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct 
 me.   
  
   
  
   
  
   
  
  In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
  
  _cherron604 at aol.com_ (_mailto:cherron604 at aol.com_ 
(mailto:cherron604 at aol.com?) )  writes:
  
  
  
  From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
  
  
  
  
 
_http://_www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--__ 
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_)  
 
(_http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_ 
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Thu Nov 24 17:39:06 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 15:39:06 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <8CE79150DB6F58A-9C8-30218@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>
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Here are some you didn't get:

Three for Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, San Francisco, Dec 31:
vs UCLA (Rivals.com)
vs Utah (collegebowlprojections.com)
vs Cal (St Petersburg Times)

One for New Orleans Bowl, Dec 18:
vs Lousiana-Lafayette (nationalfootballpost.com)



On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com> wrote:

>  According to my 17 'bowl projectors', they currently are saying:
>
> 6 for Pizza in Detroit (ESPN - Edwards, CBS - Palm, BTN - Dienhart, SI -
> Mandel, NBC, and Athlon)
> 3 are saying Ticket City in Dallas (ESPN - Rittenberg, Orlando Sentinel,
> and Phil Steele)
> 3 are saying Texas in Houston (ESPN - Schlabach, Sun Times - Gould, and
> Tribune - Teddy G)
> 2 are saying New Mexico in Albuquerque (Scout and College Football News)
> and 3 are saying 'NO BOWL' (St Pete Times, College Bowl Projections, and
> USA Today - Smith)
>
> I hope that the Houston predictions are correct, though Dallas was fun
> last year.
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
> To: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:43 pm
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>  Remember that in the B1G the bowl payouts go to the conference, not the
>
>
> individual schools.
>
>
> A google search of "bowl projections" has >50% of the sites predicting NU
>
>
> in San Francisco on New Year's Eve. Also of interest, one site predicting
>
>
> New Orleans in mid-December. That could be fun and certainly easier with
>
>
> the flights and costs, being a little off-season.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, <DPENDERG at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > As much as I would like to see the Cats in Washington, I am not
>
>
> > optimistic.  If they beat the Spartans, they will get invited to something
>
>
> >  a tier or
>
>
> > two above the Military Bowl.  At 6-6, however, my gut instinct is  that
>
>
> > they
>
>
> > will opt for a bowl that can offer a better financial offer than the  D.C.
>
>
> > bowl.  Ultimately, the bottom line is that a school's post-season  decision
>
>
> > is indeed governed by the bottom line.  I'd like to be wrong and  believe
>
>
> > appearing in the Nation's Capital has a high profile and a connection
>
>
> >  with a
>
>
> > large alumni base in the East.  I've, in fact, made the case to AD  Jim
>
>
> > Phillips in an email and others may wish to weigh in, too.
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > In a message dated 11/24/2011 9:57:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
>
> > wildelk2 at aol.com writes:
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > List Gang,
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > Count me as one of those who'd love to see a 6-6 NU team in  DC. I went to
>
>
> > the Military Bowl two years ago when UCLA beat Temple. UCLA had  many more
>
>
> > fans there than I thought, and Temple brought 10,000 down from  Philly.
>
>
> > UCLA
>
>
> > won when Bernard Pierce left the game (knee?) and Temple had  trouble
>
>
> > passing.
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > I believe NU played in Annapolis in 2002.   Navy at NU  was canceled
>
>
> > because of 9/11.  I was there as well as my 8 year old  daughter, who
>
>
> > bawled when
>
>
> > 2 f-14's did a fly-over before kick-off. Coach Roy  was there to witness
>
>
> > the
>
>
> > whole thing!  One of Baz's first starts, we won  49-40 over a bad Navy
>
>
> > team; may have been Paul Johnson's first year. After  that game I knew
>
>
> > 2002 was
>
>
> > going to suck, just like the 2nd half of the 2001  season. They did.  I
>
>
> > call
>
>
> > the 2nd half of 2001 and 2002 "mini Dark Age",  but 2002 toughened our
>
>
> > young players for 2003,2004 and 2005.
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > I don't expect to see NU in DC as we'll beat Team Green, but  in the rare
>
>
> > event that this may happen, go to DC Cats!
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > Happy Thanksgiving List Gang!      Go CATS!!  Eric
>
>
> >
>
>
> > -----Original  Message-----
>
>
> > From: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
>
>
> > To: nwu-sports  <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>
>
> > Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:18 pm
>
>
> > Subject:  Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > You're right.  I remember now too since I was in fact there in  Annapolis.
>
>
> >  Must have been close to ten years ago.
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  In a message dated 11/23/2011 4:39:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
>
> >  _cherron604 at aol.com_ (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com <cherron604 at aol.com?>)  writes:
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  I remember  the game at Navy a few years back...
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  Chuck Herron   Tech  '85
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  -----Original  Message-----
>
>
> >  From: DPENDERG <_DPENDERG at aol.com_ (mailto:DPENDERG at aol.com <DPENDERG at aol.com?>) >
>
>
> >  To: nwu-sports  <_nwu-sports at tssi.com_ (mailto:nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com?>) >
>
>
> >  Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:31 pm
>
>
> >  Subject: Re:  [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking
>
>
> >  at
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and
>
>
> >  Navy
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our
>
>
> > options
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive,
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a
>
>
> >  large NU
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident,
>
>
> >  but I
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect
>
>
> >  of
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions.
>
>
> >  I
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke
>
>
> >  in
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct
>
>
> >  me.
>
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> >
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> >
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>
> >
>
>
> >
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> >
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> >
>
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> >
>
>
> >  In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
>
> >
>
>
> >   _cherron604 at aol.com_ (_mailto:cherron604 at aol.com_
>
>
> > (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com <cherron604 at aol.com?>?) )  writes:
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > _http://_
>
>
> > www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--__
>
>
> > (
>
>
> > http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_
>
>
> > )
>
>
> >
>
>
> > (_
>
>
> > http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_
>
>
> > (
>
>
> > http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--)
>
>
> > )
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  20111122,0,4521971,full.story
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85
>
>
> >
>
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> >  _______________________________________________
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> >
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>
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>
> >
>
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> >   _nwu-_sports at tssi.com_ (mailto:sports at tssi.com <sports at tssi.com?>) _
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> > (_mailto:nwu-sports at tssi.com_ (mailto:nwu-sports at tssi.com <nwu-sports at tssi.com?>?) )
>
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> >
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> >  (_http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports_
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Thu Nov 24 21:14:16 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:14:16 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvg5CqhsEEvwQCSmF=Ku0-teMvbkEf5s454_7P+f+6nXhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a726.40a1fb41.3bfff393@aol.com><CAHChqvjxYveDhn2EMaQe0Wn07j-u7XOuUnW9n-tNhyetGNeKpA@mail.gmail.com><8CE79150DB6F58A-9C8-30218@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>
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I'm intrigued on how Louisiana-Lafayette will fare against a mail it in Arizona team this weekend.  If they beat U of A out there, NU vs UL-L would be a great game for a bowl that never has a great game.    GO CATS!!    elk


 


-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections


Here are some you didn't get:

Three for Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl, San Francisco, Dec 31:
vs UCLA (Rivals.com)
vs Utah (collegebowlprojections.com)
vs Cal (St Petersburg Times)

One for New Orleans Bowl, Dec 18:
vs Lousiana-Lafayette (nationalfootballpost.com)



On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 3:08 PM, Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com> wrote:

>  According to my 17 'bowl projectors', they currently are saying:
>
> 6 for Pizza in Detroit (ESPN - Edwards, CBS - Palm, BTN - Dienhart, SI -
> Mandel, NBC, and Athlon)
> 3 are saying Ticket City in Dallas (ESPN - Rittenberg, Orlando Sentinel,
> and Phil Steele)
> 3 are saying Texas in Houston (ESPN - Schlabach, Sun Times - Gould, and
> Tribune - Teddy G)
> 2 are saying New Mexico in Albuquerque (Scout and College Football News)
> and 3 are saying 'NO BOWL' (St Pete Times, College Bowl Projections, and
> USA Today - Smith)
>
> I hope that the Houston predictions are correct, though Dallas was fun
> last year.
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
> To: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:43 pm
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>  Remember that in the B1G the bowl payouts go to the conference, not the
>
>
> individual schools.
>
>
> A google search of "bowl projections" has >50% of the sites predicting NU
>
>
> in San Francisco on New Year's Eve. Also of interest, one site predicting
>
>
> New Orleans in mid-December. That could be fun and certainly easier with
>
>
> the flights and costs, being a little off-season.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, <DPENDERG at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > As much as I would like to see the Cats in Washington, I am not
>
>
> > optimistic.  If they beat the Spartans, they will get invited to something
>
>
> >  a tier or
>
>
> > two above the Military Bowl.  At 6-6, however, my gut instinct is  that
>
>
> > they
>
>
> > will opt for a bowl that can offer a better financial offer than the  D.C.
>
>
> > bowl.  Ultimately, the bottom line is that a school's post-season  decision
>
>
> > is indeed governed by the bottom line.  I'd like to be wrong and  believe
>
>
> > appearing in the Nation's Capital has a high profile and a connection
>
>
> >  with a
>
>
> > large alumni base in the East.  I've, in fact, made the case to AD  Jim
>
>
> > Phillips in an email and others may wish to weigh in, too.
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > In a message dated 11/24/2011 9:57:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
>
> > wildelk2 at aol.com writes:
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > List Gang,
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > Count me as one of those who'd love to see a 6-6 NU team in  DC. I went to
>
>
> > the Military Bowl two years ago when UCLA beat Temple. UCLA had  many more
>
>
> > fans there than I thought, and Temple brought 10,000 down from  Philly.
>
>
> > UCLA
>
>
> > won when Bernard Pierce left the game (knee?) and Temple had  trouble
>
>
> > passing.
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > I believe NU played in Annapolis in 2002.   Navy at NU  was canceled
>
>
> > because of 9/11.  I was there as well as my 8 year old  daughter, who
>
>
> > bawled when
>
>
> > 2 f-14's did a fly-over before kick-off. Coach Roy  was there to witness
>
>
> > the
>
>
> > whole thing!  One of Baz's first starts, we won  49-40 over a bad Navy
>
>
> > team; may have been Paul Johnson's first year. After  that game I knew
>
>
> > 2002 was
>
>
> > going to suck, just like the 2nd half of the 2001  season. They did.  I
>
>
> > call
>
>
> > the 2nd half of 2001 and 2002 "mini Dark Age",  but 2002 toughened our
>
>
> > young players for 2003,2004 and 2005.
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > I don't expect to see NU in DC as we'll beat Team Green, but  in the rare
>
>
> > event that this may happen, go to DC Cats!
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > Happy Thanksgiving List Gang!      Go CATS!!  Eric
>
>
> >
>
>
> > -----Original  Message-----
>
>
> > From: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
>
>
> > To: nwu-sports  <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>
>
> > Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:18 pm
>
>
> > Subject:  Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > You're right.  I remember now too since I was in fact there in  Annapolis.
>
>
> >  Must have been close to ten years ago.
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  In a message dated 11/23/2011 4:39:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
>
> >  _cherron604 at aol.com_ (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com <cherron604 at aol.com?>)  
writes:
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  I remember  the game at Navy a few years back...
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  Chuck Herron   Tech  '85
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  -----Original  Message-----
>
>
> >  From: DPENDERG <_DPENDERG at aol.com_ (mailto:DPENDERG at aol.com 
<DPENDERG at aol.com?>) >
>
>
> >  To: nwu-sports  <_nwu-sports at tssi.com_ (mailto:nwu-sports at tssi.com 
<nwu-sports at tssi.com?>) >
>
>
> >  Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:31 pm
>
>
> >  Subject: Re:  [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>
> >
>
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> >
>
>
> >  Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking
>
>
> >  at
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and
>
>
> >  Navy
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our
>
>
> > options
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive,
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a
>
>
> >  large NU
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident,
>
>
> >  but I
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect
>
>
> >  of
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions.
>
>
> >  I
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke
>
>
> >  in
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct
>
>
> >  me.
>
>
> >
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> >
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> >
>
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> >
>
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> >
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> >
>
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> >
>
>
> >  In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
>
> >
>
>
> >   _cherron604 at aol.com_ (_mailto:cherron604 at aol.com_
>
>
> > (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com <cherron604 at aol.com?>?) )  writes:
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> > _http://_
>
>
> > www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--__
>
>
> > (
>
>
> > http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_
>
>
> > )
>
>
> >
>
>
> > (_
>
>
> > http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_
>
>
> > (
>
>
> > http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--)
>
>
> > )
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  20111122,0,4521971,full.story
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85
>
>
> >
>
>
> >  _______________________________________________
>
>
> >
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>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Nov 24 21:34:11 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 22:34:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Saturday's Attendance
Message-ID: <8CE793A3B0B3A25-1598-37631@webmail-d059.sysops.aol.com>


Anybody have a clue what attendance at Ryan might be like on Saturday against the Spartans?   We need home-field advantage, but don't know if we will have one.  As far as I know, this weekend is unprecedented in the Big 10, with all of the big games, including rivalry games over Thanksgiving Break.  Will there be a strong, vocal contingents of students at our game?  The Chicagoland and midwestern kids should make it, but what about those from the East Coast, West Coast, and points south?  I fear that MSU may send a lot of fans, as they usually seem to do at Ryan, but with the Title game in Indy next weekend on the horizon, and the game not meaning much for them, will they take a pass?

As for Michigan-OSU, my niece, who is a Junior at Ann Arbor, told me this evening that Michigan is making arrangements for students to return for the game.  Her cousin, who is her classmate there, is flying back tomorrow--she is not--so he will be back for the game. I assume that the Big House will be packed, as always--in anticipation of a long-awaited win over the hated Buckeyes.

And Nebraska will be packed, of course.  I assume Camp Randall will be also for that huge game vs. PSU, but will the students get back in time?   Purdue-Indiana?  Bet it will be especially small crowd this year.  And Illinois at Minnesota--can't imagine a sellout there; wonder if many fans will travel from Urbana for Zookster's Last Stand?

Any thoughts?  

Happy Thanksgiving.

Paul Levinson

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 24 22:20:06 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:20:06 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Saturday's Attendance
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Fitz is on record as being opposed to that Saturday after Thanksgiving game.

He wants the season to end the week before, and play the championship first weekend in
December.

Maybe they'll fix that next year, especially after the Cats (we hope) win and screw up all
the bowl standings again.

rsl

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Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 10:34 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Saturday's Attendance


Anybody have a clue what attendance at Ryan might be like on Saturday against the
Spartans?   We need home-field advantage, but don't know if we will have one.  As far as I
know, this weekend is unprecedented in the Big 10, with all of the big games, including
rivalry games over Thanksgiving Break.  Will there be a strong, vocal contingents of
students at our game?  The Chicagoland and midwestern kids should make it, but what about
those from the East Coast, West Coast, and points south?  I fear that MSU may send a lot
of fans, as they usually seem to do at Ryan, but with the Title game in Indy next weekend
on the horizon, and the game not meaning much for them, will they take a pass?

As for Michigan-OSU, my niece, who is a Junior at Ann Arbor, told me this evening that
Michigan is making arrangements for students to return for the game.  Her cousin, who is
her classmate there, is flying back tomorrow--she is not--so he will be back for the game.
I assume that the Big House will be packed, as always--in anticipation of a long-awaited
win over the hated Buckeyes.

And Nebraska will be packed, of course.  I assume Camp Randall will be also for that huge
game vs. PSU, but will the students get back in time?   Purdue-Indiana?  Bet it will be
especially small crowd this year.  And Illinois at Minnesota--can't imagine a sellout
there; wonder if many fans will travel from Urbana for Zookster's Last Stand?

Any thoughts?  

Happy Thanksgiving.

Paul Levinson
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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Nov 24 23:04:40 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 05:04:40 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Saturday's Attendance
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Fitz--asa usual--is right.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 23:20:06 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Saturday's Attendance

Fitz is on record as being opposed to that Saturday after Thanksgiving game.

He wants the season to end the week before, and play the championship first weekend in
December.

Maybe they'll fix that next year, especially after the Cats (we hope) win and screw up all
the bowl standings again.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
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neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 10:34 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Saturday's Attendance


Anybody have a clue what attendance at Ryan might be like on Saturday against the
Spartans?   We need home-field advantage, but don't know if we will have one.  As far as I
know, this weekend is unprecedented in the Big 10, with all of the big games, including
rivalry games over Thanksgiving Break.  Will there be a strong, vocal contingents of
students at our game?  The Chicagoland and midwestern kids should make it, but what about
those from the East Coast, West Coast, and points south?  I fear that MSU may send a lot
of fans, as they usually seem to do at Ryan, but with the Title game in Indy next weekend
on the horizon, and the game not meaning much for them, will they take a pass?

As for Michigan-OSU, my niece, who is a Junior at Ann Arbor, told me this evening that
Michigan is making arrangements for students to return for the game.  Her cousin, who is
her classmate there, is flying back tomorrow--she is not--so he will be back for the game.
I assume that the Big House will be packed, as always--in anticipation of a long-awaited
win over the hated Buckeyes.

And Nebraska will be packed, of course.  I assume Camp Randall will be also for that huge
game vs. PSU, but will the students get back in time?   Purdue-Indiana?  Bet it will be
especially small crowd this year.  And Illinois at Minnesota--can't imagine a sellout
there; wonder if many fans will travel from Urbana for Zookster's Last Stand?

Any thoughts?  

Happy Thanksgiving.

Paul Levinson
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Nov 24 17:08:03 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Charles Herron)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 18:08:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
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 According to my 17 'bowl projectors', they currently are saying:

6 for Pizza in Detroit (ESPN - Edwards, CBS - Palm, BTN - Dienhart, SI - Mandel, NBC, and Athlon)
3 are saying Ticket City in Dallas (ESPN - Rittenberg, Orlando Sentinel, and Phil Steele)
3 are saying Texas in Houston (ESPN - Schlabach, Sun Times - Gould, and Tribune - Teddy G)
2 are saying New Mexico in Albuquerque (Scout and College Football News)
and 3 are saying 'NO BOWL' (St Pete Times, College Bowl Projections, and USA Today - Smith)

I hope that the Houston predictions are correct, though Dallas was fun last year.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections


Remember that in the B1G the bowl payouts go to the conference, not the

individual schools.

A google search of "bowl projections" has >50% of the sites predicting NU

in San Francisco on New Year's Eve. Also of interest, one site predicting

New Orleans in mid-December. That could be fun and certainly easier with

the flights and costs, being a little off-season.



On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, <DPENDERG at aol.com> wrote:



> As much as I would like to see the Cats in Washington, I am not

> optimistic.  If they beat the Spartans, they will get invited to something

>  a tier or

> two above the Military Bowl.  At 6-6, however, my gut instinct is  that

> they

> will opt for a bowl that can offer a better financial offer than the  D.C.

> bowl.  Ultimately, the bottom line is that a school's post-season  decision

> is indeed governed by the bottom line.  I'd like to be wrong and  believe

> appearing in the Nation's Capital has a high profile and a connection

>  with a

> large alumni base in the East.  I've, in fact, made the case to AD  Jim

> Phillips in an email and others may wish to weigh in, too.

>

>

> In a message dated 11/24/2011 9:57:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

> wildelk2 at aol.com writes:

>

>

> List Gang,

>

>

> Count me as one of those who'd love to see a 6-6 NU team in  DC. I went to

> the Military Bowl two years ago when UCLA beat Temple. UCLA had  many more

> fans there than I thought, and Temple brought 10,000 down from  Philly.

> UCLA

> won when Bernard Pierce left the game (knee?) and Temple had  trouble

> passing.

>

>

> I believe NU played in Annapolis in 2002.   Navy at NU  was canceled

> because of 9/11.  I was there as well as my 8 year old  daughter, who

> bawled when

> 2 f-14's did a fly-over before kick-off. Coach Roy  was there to witness

> the

> whole thing!  One of Baz's first starts, we won  49-40 over a bad Navy

> team; may have been Paul Johnson's first year. After  that game I knew

> 2002 was

> going to suck, just like the 2nd half of the 2001  season. They did.  I

> call

> the 2nd half of 2001 and 2002 "mini Dark Age",  but 2002 toughened our

> young players for 2003,2004 and 2005.

>

>

> I don't expect to see NU in DC as we'll beat Team Green, but  in the rare

> event that this may happen, go to DC Cats!

>

>

> Happy Thanksgiving List Gang!      Go CATS!!  Eric

>

> -----Original  Message-----

> From: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>

> To: nwu-sports  <nwu-sports at tssi.com>

> Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:18 pm

> Subject:  Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections

>

>

> You're right.  I remember now too since I was in fact there in  Annapolis.

>  Must have been close to ten years ago.

>

>

>  In a message dated 11/23/2011 4:39:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>  _cherron604 at aol.com_ (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com)  writes:

>

>  I remember  the game at Navy a few years back...

>

>  Chuck Herron   Tech  '85

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  -----Original  Message-----

>  From: DPENDERG <_DPENDERG at aol.com_ (mailto:DPENDERG at aol.com) >

>  To: nwu-sports  <_nwu-sports at tssi.com_ (mailto:nwu-sports at tssi.com) >

>  Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:31 pm

>  Subject: Re:  [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections

>

>

>  Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.

>

>  Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now looking

>  at

>

>  bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army  and

>  Navy

>

>  this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our

> options

>

>  open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive,

>

>  high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which  has a

>  large NU

>

>  alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area resident,

>  but I

>

>  believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the prospect

>  of

>

>  pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions.

>  I

>

>  don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC than Duke

>  in

>

>  Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can correct

>  me.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>  In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

>

>   _cherron604 at aol.com_ (_mailto:cherron604 at aol.com_

> (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com?) )  writes:

>

>

>

>  From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:

>

>

>

>

>

> _http://_

> www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--__

> (

> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_

> )

>

> (_

> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_

> (

> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--)

> )

>

>  20111122,0,4521971,full.story

>

>

>

>  Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85

>

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From marks83588 at aol.com  Fri Nov 25 07:21:41 2011
From: marks83588 at aol.com (marks83588 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:21:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Urban Meyer to dOSU?
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<<gee, will he improve the graduation rate?

rsl>>

You are assuming dOSU President Gee CARES about the FB graduation rate.........sorry, bad pun!


-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 9:30 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Urban Meyer to dOSU?


http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/11/24/meyer-to-take-over-at-osu.html
gee, will he improve the graduation rate?
rsl
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From johnl at mac.com  Fri Nov 25 08:38:12 2011
From: johnl at mac.com (Labbe John)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:38:12 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
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Thoughts:

1) All of these bowl predictions are somewhat irrelevant, in my view,  
until we know whether we beat MSU tomorrow, and I'm predicting that we  
will.  I think MSU will play all of its starters like a regular game,  
but they won't have the same motivation as usual to win a road game  
(not their senior day) when they've already got the division locked  
up.  Plus, we've got a lot of motivation to win to secure a bowl game  
and we've often done well on senior day (see Wisconsin 2009 etc.).  So  
for two teams that have been hot and cold at times this season, I  
think we'll be hot tomorrow and Michigan State cold.

2) I'd love to see the 'Cats play Louisiana-Lafayette in New Orleans,  
as I'm a native of Lafayette, Louisiana and my parents taught at ULL  
for many years..  The Cajuns haven't been to a bowl in 40 years.   
Unless we really screwed up, we would beat them handily.  But since  
we're going to win tomorrow, we won't fall that far (though I suppose  
the Pizza bowl remains a possibility even at 7-5 and I think we'd  
prefer to see us in the "Mercedes Benz Superdome" over "Ford  
Field" (that's really the new name of what used to be the "Louisiana  
Superdome")).

John



On Nov 24, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Charles Herron wrote:

>
> According to my 17 'bowl projectors', they currently are saying:
>
> 6 for Pizza in Detroit (ESPN - Edwards, CBS - Palm, BTN - Dienhart,  
> SI - Mandel, NBC, and Athlon)
> 3 are saying Ticket City in Dallas (ESPN - Rittenberg, Orlando  
> Sentinel, and Phil Steele)
> 3 are saying Texas in Houston (ESPN - Schlabach, Sun Times - Gould,  
> and Tribune - Teddy G)
> 2 are saying New Mexico in Albuquerque (Scout and College Football  
> News)
> and 3 are saying 'NO BOWL' (St Pete Times, College Bowl Projections,  
> and USA Today - Smith)
>
> I hope that the Houston predictions are correct, though Dallas was  
> fun last year.
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
> To: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:43 pm
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>
> Remember that in the B1G the bowl payouts go to the conference, not  
> the
>
> individual schools.
>
> A google search of "bowl projections" has >50% of the sites  
> predicting NU
>
> in San Francisco on New Year's Eve. Also of interest, one site  
> predicting
>
> New Orleans in mid-December. That could be fun and certainly easier  
> with
>
> the flights and costs, being a little off-season.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, <DPENDERG at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> As much as I would like to see the Cats in Washington, I am not
>
>> optimistic.  If they beat the Spartans, they will get invited to  
>> something
>
>> a tier or
>
>> two above the Military Bowl.  At 6-6, however, my gut instinct is   
>> that
>
>> they
>
>> will opt for a bowl that can offer a better financial offer than  
>> the  D.C.
>
>> bowl.  Ultimately, the bottom line is that a school's post-season   
>> decision
>
>> is indeed governed by the bottom line.  I'd like to be wrong and   
>> believe
>
>> appearing in the Nation's Capital has a high profile and a connection
>
>> with a
>
>> large alumni base in the East.  I've, in fact, made the case to AD   
>> Jim
>
>> Phillips in an email and others may wish to weigh in, too.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In a message dated 11/24/2011 9:57:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
>> wildelk2 at aol.com writes:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> List Gang,
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Count me as one of those who'd love to see a 6-6 NU team in  DC. I  
>> went to
>
>> the Military Bowl two years ago when UCLA beat Temple. UCLA had   
>> many more
>
>> fans there than I thought, and Temple brought 10,000 down from   
>> Philly.
>
>> UCLA
>
>> won when Bernard Pierce left the game (knee?) and Temple had  trouble
>
>> passing.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I believe NU played in Annapolis in 2002.   Navy at NU  was canceled
>
>> because of 9/11.  I was there as well as my 8 year old  daughter, who
>
>> bawled when
>
>> 2 f-14's did a fly-over before kick-off. Coach Roy  was there to  
>> witness
>
>> the
>
>> whole thing!  One of Baz's first starts, we won  49-40 over a bad  
>> Navy
>
>> team; may have been Paul Johnson's first year. After  that game I  
>> knew
>
>> 2002 was
>
>> going to suck, just like the 2nd half of the 2001  season. They  
>> did.  I
>
>> call
>
>> the 2nd half of 2001 and 2002 "mini Dark Age",  but 2002 toughened  
>> our
>
>> young players for 2003,2004 and 2005.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I don't expect to see NU in DC as we'll beat Team Green, but  in  
>> the rare
>
>> event that this may happen, go to DC Cats!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving List Gang!      Go CATS!!  Eric
>
>>
>
>> -----Original  Message-----
>
>> From: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
>
>> To: nwu-sports  <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:18 pm
>
>> Subject:  Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> You're right.  I remember now too since I was in fact there in   
>> Annapolis.
>
>> Must have been close to ten years ago.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In a message dated 11/23/2011 4:39:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
>> _cherron604 at aol.com_ (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com)  writes:
>
>>
>
>> I remember  the game at Navy a few years back...
>
>>
>
>> Chuck Herron   Tech  '85
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> -----Original  Message-----
>
>> From: DPENDERG <_DPENDERG at aol.com_ (mailto:DPENDERG at aol.com) >
>
>> To: nwu-sports  <_nwu-sports at tssi.com_ (mailto:nwu-sports at tssi.com) >
>
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:31 pm
>
>> Subject: Re:  [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.
>
>>
>
>> Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now  
>> looking
>
>> at
>
>>
>
>> bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army   
>> and
>
>> Navy
>
>>
>
>> this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our
>
>> options
>
>>
>
>> open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive,
>
>>
>
>> high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which   
>> has a
>
>> large NU
>
>>
>
>> alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area  
>> resident,
>
>> but I
>
>>
>
>> believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the  
>> prospect
>
>> of
>
>>
>
>> pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast  
>> regions.
>
>> I
>
>>
>
>> don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC  
>> than Duke
>
>> in
>
>>
>
>> Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can  
>> correct
>
>> me.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
>>
>
>>  _cherron604 at aol.com_ (_mailto:cherron604 at aol.com_
>
>> (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com?) )  writes:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> _http://_
>
>> www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--__
>
>> (
>
>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_
>
>> )
>
>>
>
>> (_
>
>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_
>
>> (
>
>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--)
>
>> )
>
>>
>
>> 20111122,0,4521971,full.story
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85
>
>>
>
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Fri Nov 25 08:54:51 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:54:51 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Saturday's Attendance
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This will be the first NU home game after Thanksgiving since 1989, but they
have played some later away games (1990 at Illinois, 1998 & 2004 at Hawaii,
last year at Wisconsin).  Last year is when the Big Ten officially extended
its schedule into the weekend after Thanksgiving; previously it was an open
weekend (along with the first weekend in December) and teams were free to
schedule non-conference games then if they wished.  Multiple coaches made
some noise about the Big Ten being "forgotten" nationally in December due
to ending league play so early, hence why it was extended.  Then came
Nebraska and the title game, which also changed the picture.

Obviously Fitz and some others were against it from a student welfare
standpoint but like many of the other recent moves (expansion, conference
title game, 9 game conference schedule starting in 2017), it's all about
the money and it's better to have some more prime time TV slots to bring in
the cash.

I think attendance will suffer due to students not being in town and many
families also traveling.  Also, MSU fans have little incentive to travel
for this one as they've already clinched the division and will likely be
saving up for their trip to Indy and possibly a big bowl game, so NU can't
rely on hordes of opposing fans here (which likely would have been
different if MSU still needed the W to lock it up).  The past 2 games
attendance has been arond 26,000 and I think NU would be lucky to hit that
this week, unfortunately.  This is where drawing from a national pool of
students hurts as there just aren't a ton of locals around who will still
be in town over the holiday weekend (NU has had similar issues over Labor
Day weekend).

Note that NUMB will be there for the game, but I doubt many other students
will be there (student attendance was reportedly not so great for the past
two home dates either, which were both 11AM starts but had relatively good
weather).

--
Jonathan Hodges
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On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:34 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Anybody have a clue what attendance at Ryan might be like on Saturday
> against the Spartans?   We need home-field advantage, but don't know if we
> will have one.  As far as I know, this weekend is unprecedented in the Big
> 10, with all of the big games, including rivalry games over Thanksgiving
> Break.  Will there be a strong, vocal contingents of students at our game?
>  The Chicagoland and midwestern kids should make it, but what about those
> from the East Coast, West Coast, and points south?  I fear that MSU may
> send a lot of fans, as they usually seem to do at Ryan, but with the Title
> game in Indy next weekend on the horizon, and the game not meaning much for
> them, will they take a pass?
>
> As for Michigan-OSU, my niece, who is a Junior at Ann Arbor, told me this
> evening that Michigan is making arrangements for students to return for the
> game.  Her cousin, who is her classmate there, is flying back tomorrow--she
> is not--so he will be back for the game. I assume that the Big House will
> be packed, as always--in anticipation of a long-awaited win over the hated
> Buckeyes.
>
> And Nebraska will be packed, of course.  I assume Camp Randall will be
> also for that huge game vs. PSU, but will the students get back in time?
> Purdue-Indiana?  Bet it will be especially small crowd this year.  And
> Illinois at Minnesota--can't imagine a sellout there; wonder if many fans
> will travel from Urbana for Zookster's Last Stand?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Happy Thanksgiving.
>
> Paul Levinson
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Nov 25 08:56:28 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:56:28 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
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Heck maybe we ought to lose tomorrow to sandbag it for a lesser bowl and end the 63 year streak. No it would feel the same way as when we beat an  NIU MAC team to end the 34 game losing streak in 1982  It didn't feel right until we beat Minny later that year.   

 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections

Thoughts:

1) All of these bowl predictions are somewhat irrelevant, in my view,  
until we know whether we beat MSU tomorrow, and I'm predicting that we  
will.  I think MSU will play all of its starters like a regular game,  
but they won't have the same motivation as usual to win a road game  
(not their senior day) when they've already got the division locked  
up.  Plus, we've got a lot of motivation to win to secure a bowl game  
and we've often done well on senior day (see Wisconsin 2009 etc.).  So  
for two teams that have been hot and cold at times this season, I  
think we'll be hot tomorrow and Michigan State cold.

2) I'd love to see the 'Cats play Louisiana-Lafayette in New Orleans,  
as I'm a native of Lafayette, Louisiana and my parents taught at ULL  
for many years..  The Cajuns haven't been to a bowl in 40 years.   
Unless we really screwed up, we would beat them handily.  But since  
we're going to win tomorrow, we won't fall that far (though I suppose  
the Pizza bowl remains a possibility even at 7-5 and I think we'd  
prefer to see us in the "Mercedes Benz Superdome" over "Ford  
Field" (that's really the new name of what used to be the "Louisiana  
Superdome")).

John



On Nov 24, 2011, at 5:08 PM, Charles Herron wrote:

>
> According to my 17 'bowl projectors', they currently are saying:
>
> 6 for Pizza in Detroit (ESPN - Edwards, CBS - Palm, BTN - Dienhart,  
> SI - Mandel, NBC, and Athlon)
> 3 are saying Ticket City in Dallas (ESPN - Rittenberg, Orlando  
> Sentinel, and Phil Steele)
> 3 are saying Texas in Houston (ESPN - Schlabach, Sun Times - Gould,  
> and Tribune - Teddy G)
> 2 are saying New Mexico in Albuquerque (Scout and College Football  
> News)
> and 3 are saying 'NO BOWL' (St Pete Times, College Bowl Projections,  
> and USA Today - Smith)
>
> I hope that the Houston predictions are correct, though Dallas was  
> fun last year.
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
> To: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 24, 2011 2:43 pm
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>
> Remember that in the B1G the bowl payouts go to the conference, not  
> the
>
> individual schools.
>
> A google search of "bowl projections" has >50% of the sites  
> predicting NU
>
> in San Francisco on New Year's Eve. Also of interest, one site  
> predicting
>
> New Orleans in mid-December. That could be fun and certainly easier  
> with
>
> the flights and costs, being a little off-season.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:22 AM, <DPENDERG at aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>> As much as I would like to see the Cats in Washington, I am not
>
>> optimistic.  If they beat the Spartans, they will get invited to  
>> something
>
>> a tier or
>
>> two above the Military Bowl.  At 6-6, however, my gut instinct is   
>> that
>
>> they
>
>> will opt for a bowl that can offer a better financial offer than  
>> the  D.C.
>
>> bowl.  Ultimately, the bottom line is that a school's post-season   
>> decision
>
>> is indeed governed by the bottom line.  I'd like to be wrong and   
>> believe
>
>> appearing in the Nation's Capital has a high profile and a connection
>
>> with a
>
>> large alumni base in the East.  I've, in fact, made the case to AD   
>> Jim
>
>> Phillips in an email and others may wish to weigh in, too.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In a message dated 11/24/2011 9:57:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
>> wildelk2 at aol.com writes:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> List Gang,
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Count me as one of those who'd love to see a 6-6 NU team in  DC. I  
>> went to
>
>> the Military Bowl two years ago when UCLA beat Temple. UCLA had   
>> many more
>
>> fans there than I thought, and Temple brought 10,000 down from   
>> Philly.
>
>> UCLA
>
>> won when Bernard Pierce left the game (knee?) and Temple had  trouble
>
>> passing.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I believe NU played in Annapolis in 2002.   Navy at NU  was canceled
>
>> because of 9/11.  I was there as well as my 8 year old  daughter, who
>
>> bawled when
>
>> 2 f-14's did a fly-over before kick-off. Coach Roy  was there to  
>> witness
>
>> the
>
>> whole thing!  One of Baz's first starts, we won  49-40 over a bad  
>> Navy
>
>> team; may have been Paul Johnson's first year. After  that game I  
>> knew
>
>> 2002 was
>
>> going to suck, just like the 2nd half of the 2001  season. They  
>> did.  I
>
>> call
>
>> the 2nd half of 2001 and 2002 "mini Dark Age",  but 2002 toughened  
>> our
>
>> young players for 2003,2004 and 2005.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> I don't expect to see NU in DC as we'll beat Team Green, but  in  
>> the rare
>
>> event that this may happen, go to DC Cats!
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Happy Thanksgiving List Gang!      Go CATS!!  Eric
>
>>
>
>> -----Original  Message-----
>
>> From: DPENDERG <DPENDERG at aol.com>
>
>> To: nwu-sports  <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 12:18 pm
>
>> Subject:  Re: [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> You're right.  I remember now too since I was in fact there in   
>> Annapolis.
>
>> Must have been close to ten years ago.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In a message dated 11/23/2011 4:39:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
>> _cherron604 at aol.com_ (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com)  writes:
>
>>
>
>> I remember  the game at Navy a few years back...
>
>>
>
>> Chuck Herron   Tech  '85
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> -----Original  Message-----
>
>> From: DPENDERG <_DPENDERG at aol.com_ (mailto:DPENDERG at aol.com) >
>
>> To: nwu-sports  <_nwu-sports at tssi.com_ (mailto:nwu-sports at tssi.com) >
>
>> Sent: Wed, Nov 23, 2011 4:31 pm
>
>> Subject: Re:  [NU Sports] Teddy G's Bowl Projections
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Unmentioned is the Dec 28 Military Bowl at RFK Stadium in Washington.
>
>>
>
>> Story in the WASH POST today indicated they are desperately now  
>> looking
>
>> at
>
>>
>
>> bowl-eligible teams from a number of conferences because both Army   
>> and
>
>> Navy
>
>>
>
>> this year are not eligible.  Of course, if NU beats MSU,  then our
>
>> options
>
>>
>
>> open up significantly, but at 6-6 the Cats would have an  attractive,
>
>>
>
>> high-profile opportunity playing in the Nation's Capital, which   
>> has a
>
>> large NU
>
>>
>
>> alumni base. Obviously, that is my preference as a  D.C. area  
>> resident,
>
>> but I
>
>>
>
>> believe there would many upsides to coming  here, including the  
>> prospect
>
>> of
>
>>
>
>> pulling in alums from throughout the  mid-Atlantic and Northeast  
>> regions.
>
>> I
>
>>
>
>> don't recall the Cats ever playing  any closer to Washington DC  
>> than Duke
>
>> in
>
>>
>
>> Durham, NC, although someone with  more institutional memory can  
>> correct
>
>> me.
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> In a message dated 11/23/2011 2:59:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>
>>
>
>>  _cherron604 at aol.com_ (_mailto:cherron604 at aol.com_
>
>> (mailto:cherron604 at aol.com?) )  writes:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> From  Monday's Chicago  Tribune:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> _http://_
>
>> www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--__
>
>> (
>
>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_
>
>> )
>
>>
>
>> (_
>
>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--_
>
>> (
>
>> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1122-northwestern-foot--)
>
>> )
>
>>
>
>> 20111122,0,4521971,full.story
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Chuck  Herron   Tech  '85
>
>>
>
>> _______________________________________________
>
>>
>
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 25 09:02:20 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 15:02:20 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Saturday's Attendance
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The student turn-out was very poor for the Minny game, and those that did show up were very late in arriving--as were the non-students. The place was practically empty as NU was coming out of the tunnel.

I sure hope more folks arrive in time for the introduction of the seniors this week, but am not optimistic.

Tom
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Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 09:54:51 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Saturday's Attendance

This will be the first NU home game after Thanksgiving since 1989, but they
have played some later away games (1990 at Illinois, 1998 & 2004 at Hawaii,
last year at Wisconsin).  Last year is when the Big Ten officially extended
its schedule into the weekend after Thanksgiving; previously it was an open
weekend (along with the first weekend in December) and teams were free to
schedule non-conference games then if they wished.  Multiple coaches made
some noise about the Big Ten being "forgotten" nationally in December due
to ending league play so early, hence why it was extended.  Then came
Nebraska and the title game, which also changed the picture.

Obviously Fitz and some others were against it from a student welfare
standpoint but like many of the other recent moves (expansion, conference
title game, 9 game conference schedule starting in 2017), it's all about
the money and it's better to have some more prime time TV slots to bring in
the cash.

I think attendance will suffer due to students not being in town and many
families also traveling.  Also, MSU fans have little incentive to travel
for this one as they've already clinched the division and will likely be
saving up for their trip to Indy and possibly a big bowl game, so NU can't
rely on hordes of opposing fans here (which likely would have been
different if MSU still needed the W to lock it up).  The past 2 games
attendance has been arond 26,000 and I think NU would be lucky to hit that
this week, unfortunately.  This is where drawing from a national pool of
students hurts as there just aren't a ton of locals around who will still
be in town over the holiday weekend (NU has had similar issues over Labor
Day weekend).

Note that NUMB will be there for the game, but I doubt many other students
will be there (student attendance was reportedly not so great for the past
two home dates either, which were both 11AM starts but had relatively good
weather).

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
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On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 10:34 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

>
> Anybody have a clue what attendance at Ryan might be like on Saturday
> against the Spartans?   We need home-field advantage, but don't know if we
> will have one.  As far as I know, this weekend is unprecedented in the Big
> 10, with all of the big games, including rivalry games over Thanksgiving
> Break.  Will there be a strong, vocal contingents of students at our game?
>  The Chicagoland and midwestern kids should make it, but what about those
> from the East Coast, West Coast, and points south?  I fear that MSU may
> send a lot of fans, as they usually seem to do at Ryan, but with the Title
> game in Indy next weekend on the horizon, and the game not meaning much for
> them, will they take a pass?
>
> As for Michigan-OSU, my niece, who is a Junior at Ann Arbor, told me this
> evening that Michigan is making arrangements for students to return for the
> game.  Her cousin, who is her classmate there, is flying back tomorrow--she
> is not--so he will be back for the game. I assume that the Big House will
> be packed, as always--in anticipation of a long-awaited win over the hated
> Buckeyes.
>
> And Nebraska will be packed, of course.  I assume Camp Randall will be
> also for that huge game vs. PSU, but will the students get back in time?
> Purdue-Indiana?  Bet it will be especially small crowd this year.  And
> Illinois at Minnesota--can't imagine a sellout there; wonder if many fans
> will travel from Urbana for Zookster's Last Stand?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Happy Thanksgiving.
>
> Paul Levinson
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 25 12:49:03 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 13:49:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Sea Wolves giving Cats Fits....
Message-ID: <000001ccaba2$e7dcf150$b796d3f0$@com>

And not the football coach.

2 point lead at the half, after Stony Brook got up 8 points.

Shurna is the leading scorer so far with 9. Only 2 offensive rebounds as the Wolves are
hustling.

BC hinted that he might be worried about SB's experience - they've played Big 10 teams
tough in the past, and this is the same team that gave Illinois fits last year.

However, I expect BC to get 'em going in the 2nd half....

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 25 13:57:12 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 14:57:12 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats beat Wolves
Message-ID: <000101ccabac$6d30c8a0$479259e0$@com>

The Good: 3 Cats in double figures - Shurna 20, Sobo 16, Drew C - 12
The Bad: No points from the Center position (6 rebounds 5 assists tho)
The Ugly: 5 Offensive rebounds, or, 43% from the floor shooting.

But a win is a win, Marco has a toe injury.

And according BC: Jershon gave them a big lift but they didn't handle them as well as they
should.

Ga Tech plays harder, and they're playing them on their home court.

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Nov 26 11:03:51 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:03:51 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Who is this guy....
Message-ID: <B89C6D4D-9E21-47E5-9030-B82AFC5C11F4@me.com>

?this color commentator? Does he know Northwestern is in the Big Ten?



Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com





From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Nov 26 11:27:56 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:27:56 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Who is this guy....
In-Reply-To: <B89C6D4D-9E21-47E5-9030-B82AFC5C11F4@me.com>
References: <B89C6D4D-9E21-47E5-9030-B82AFC5C11F4@me.com>
Message-ID: <2D0DD90D-B45B-429A-BCFD-5FF31B96752E@me.com>

Yeah?I know?he's ridiculous. I think either he and Fitz were not buddies, or he has some serious professional envy.

Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 26, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Jason Singer wrote:

> ?this color commentator? Does he know Northwestern is in the Big Ten?
> 
> 
> 
> Jason Singer
> jintsjason at me.com
> jason at jasonsinger.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 12:29:39 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:29:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] There may be ...
Message-ID: <1322332179.46632.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... better coaches in the land than Mark Dantonio at Xs and Os or script planning or motivation.

But I don't think any coach around understands momentum as well as MSU's head coach.

He knows just when to call a fake punt or fake FG or timeout for a runback, etc. And he did a nice job of waiting on exploiting our newbie corner until the right moment. Everyone in the stadium, including the announcers, expected him to throw right away at #15, but he waited until the right moment.

Ugh - we dominated 90% of that half and then got blitzed at the end.

Hopefully we take the opening drive right down and make a game of it again.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 26 12:58:17 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 13:58:17 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Who is this guy....
In-Reply-To: <2D0DD90D-B45B-429A-BCFD-5FF31B96752E@me.com>
References: <B89C6D4D-9E21-47E5-9030-B82AFC5C11F4@me.com>
 <2D0DD90D-B45B-429A-BCFD-5FF31B96752E@me.com>
Message-ID: <000e01ccac6d$5ca287f0$15e797d0$@com>

They all missed Colter's two plays, until Persa came back in and the number changed.

Why you shouldn't hire ex-jocks to do play by play....

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jason
Singer
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 12:28 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Who is this guy....

Yeah
I know
he's ridiculous. I think either he and Fitz were not buddies, or he has some
serious professional envy.

Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com




On Nov 26, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Jason Singer wrote:

> 
this color commentator? Does he know Northwestern is in the Big Ten?
> 
> 
> 
> Jason Singer
> jintsjason at me.com
> jason at jasonsinger.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Nov 26 13:15:02 2011
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:15:02 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] No personal foul?!
Message-ID: <F413517D-6630-4FC4-995F-4A645E851478@me.com>

The first guy went head first as he slid and the next guy jumped up and landed on him after the whistle. And on the TD for MSU they moved before the snap. Nothing.

Really aggravating.

Jason Singer
jintsjason at me.com
jason at jasonsinger.com





From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 13:56:19 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 11:56:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...
Message-ID: <1322337379.81651.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... that was a disheartening end and a shame to send the seniors out like that. Give credit to MSU - with nothing to play for, they played hard and smart.

So ... Go Blue (for the BCS)! Go Gophers and Go Hoosiers!

I hate leaving it up to bowl committees ...

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 26 14:04:58 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 15:04:58 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...
In-Reply-To: <1322337379.81651.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322337379.81651.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001ccac76$ad5a0ca0$080e25e0$@com>

Watching the future right now, with Semian and Coulter playing catch.

But what really "frosts me" are all of the people on the NU side wearing green and making
those stupid hand signals that they use.

Don't know who resold their tickets but they should move them all to the other side of the
field so Cat fans can sit behind the team with the band.


rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT
(Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 2:56 PM
To: NUSPORTS
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...

... that was a disheartening end and a shame to send the seniors out like that. Give
credit to MSU - with nothing to play for, they played hard and smart.

So ... Go Blue (for the BCS)! Go Gophers and Go Hoosiers!

I hate leaving it up to bowl committees ...

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Nov 26 15:17:26 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 16:17:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] There may be ...
In-Reply-To: <1322332179.46632.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322332179.46632.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CE7A97EE2A187B-20DC-58B38@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>


   When we went from taking the lead into a 3-17 hole, I knew we were in deep doo-doo.  All the deserved criticism of Sparty having a yellow streak has evaporated under D'Antonio, and 
Michigan St's QB is a gamer.  He took advantage of player-personnel decisions and executed well in the rain.  I don't think we played bad (except for the end of the 2nd Q.), but MSU played a little better.  Still, another good November.  Regardless where they end up, I think we'll match up well and finally break our bowl drought.  Texas A&M could be a problem, but Cal? Toledo? Rutgers? NC ST?  We FINALLY may be matched against someone we can handle; a big switch from years gone by.   


   Just a "PS"...Not condoning 6-6 earning a bowl, but these are the rules and it beats the hell out of how our season was going.  We will not be playing the 1940 Army Cadets or the 1969 USC Trojans in our bowl.                  GO CATS!!!          Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 26, 2011 8:29 am
Subject: [NU Sports] There may be ...


... better coaches in the land than Mark Dantonio at Xs and Os or script 
planning or motivation.

But I don't think any coach around understands momentum as well as MSU's head 
coach.

He knows just when to call a fake punt or fake FG or timeout for a runback, etc. 
And he did a nice job of waiting on exploiting our newbie corner until the right 
moment. Everyone in the stadium, including the announcers, expected him to throw 
right away at #15, but he waited until the right moment.

Ugh - we dominated 90% of that half and then got blitzed at the end.

Hopefully we take the opening drive right down and make a game of it again.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
 
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 26 15:31:20 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 16:31:20 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] There may be ...
In-Reply-To: <8CE7A97EE2A187B-20DC-58B38@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1322332179.46632.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <8CE7A97EE2A187B-20DC-58B38@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301ccac82$bde7e900$39b7bb00$@com>

At least Cousins got his record breaker...

But for the first 10 minutes it seemed like NU was playing both MSU and the Refs. Then the
refs stopped calling stuff because MSU was doing things that should have been flagged, and
you can't flag the division winner, can you....

The real icing on the cake was the 2 successive offsides penalties on MSU's tackle. When
he came back in, I half expected Persa to run a hard count again for another 5 and maybe
that would have helped?

But we really need a bowl where Persa can run up the score and Schmidt can run up some
yards and the young guys can run up some experience for next year.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric
Kunkel
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 4:17 PM
To: sjtruog at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] There may be ...


   When we went from taking the lead into a 3-17 hole, I knew we were in deep doo-doo.
All the deserved criticism of Sparty having a yellow streak has evaporated under
D'Antonio, and 
Michigan St's QB is a gamer.  He took advantage of player-personnel decisions and executed
well in the rain.  I don't think we played bad (except for the end of the 2nd Q.), but MSU
played a little better.  Still, another good November.  Regardless where they end up, I
think we'll match up well and finally break our bowl drought.  Texas A&M could be a
problem, but Cal? Toledo? Rutgers? NC ST?  We FINALLY may be matched against someone we
can handle; a big switch from years gone by.   


   Just a "PS"...Not condoning 6-6 earning a bowl, but these are the rules and it beats
the hell out of how our season was going.  We will not be playing the 1940 Army Cadets or
the 1969 USC Trojans in our bowl.                  GO CATS!!!          Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 26, 2011 8:29 am
Subject: [NU Sports] There may be ...


... better coaches in the land than Mark Dantonio at Xs and Os or script 
planning or motivation.

But I don't think any coach around understands momentum as well as MSU's head 
coach.

He knows just when to call a fake punt or fake FG or timeout for a runback, etc. 
And he did a nice job of waiting on exploiting our newbie corner until the right 
moment. Everyone in the stadium, including the announcers, expected him to throw 
right away at #15, but he waited until the right moment.

Ugh - we dominated 90% of that half and then got blitzed at the end.

Hopefully we take the opening drive right down and make a game of it again.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
 
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 26 15:47:58 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 21:47:58 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] There may be ...
In-Reply-To: <8CE7A97EE2A187B-20DC-58B38@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1322332179.46632.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <8CE7A97EE2A187B-20DC-58B38@webmail-m006.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1074516833-1322344045-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1358818815-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Eric,

I hope you are right, but those of us watching at Buffalo Wild Wings in Stamford, CT--record crowd of nearly 30--were very concerned that we could get shut out of the bowl picture at 6-6.    The Zookers just fell behind 14-0.  If Gophers can put them away, maybe we move ahead of them, given their collapse in second half of season.   And Hoosiers are up 17-10 on Boilers,  upsets in both would be huge for us.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 16:17:26 
To: <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] There may be ...


   When we went from taking the lead into a 3-17 hole, I knew we were in deep doo-doo.  All the deserved criticism of Sparty having a yellow streak has evaporated under D'Antonio, and 
Michigan St's QB is a gamer.  He took advantage of player-personnel decisions and executed well in the rain.  I don't think we played bad (except for the end of the 2nd Q.), but MSU played a little better.  Still, another good November.  Regardless where they end up, I think we'll match up well and finally break our bowl drought.  Texas A&M could be a problem, but Cal? Toledo? Rutgers? NC ST?  We FINALLY may be matched against someone we can handle; a big switch from years gone by.   


   Just a "PS"...Not condoning 6-6 earning a bowl, but these are the rules and it beats the hell out of how our season was going.  We will not be playing the 1940 Army Cadets or the 1969 USC Trojans in our bowl.                  GO CATS!!!          Eric


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From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 26, 2011 8:29 am
Subject: [NU Sports] There may be ...


... better coaches in the land than Mark Dantonio at Xs and Os or script 
planning or motivation.

But I don't think any coach around understands momentum as well as MSU's head 
coach.

He knows just when to call a fake punt or fake FG or timeout for a runback, etc. 
And he did a nice job of waiting on exploiting our newbie corner until the right 
moment. Everyone in the stadium, including the announcers, expected him to throw 
right away at #15, but he waited until the right moment.

Ugh - we dominated 90% of that half and then got blitzed at the end.

Hopefully we take the opening drive right down and make a game of it again.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
 
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sat Nov 26 15:52:44 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 16:52:44 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] There may be ...
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Given that there is no longer a requirement to take 7-5 teams over 6-6
ones, I think there is little chance that NU gets shut out altogether.
Michigan essentially locked up a BCS at-large spot today, opening up
another Big Ten slot.  A win by NU certainly would have been nice, but
they're heading somewhere.

--
Jonathan
On Nov 26, 2011 4:47 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Eric,
>
> I hope you are right, but those of us watching at Buffalo Wild Wings in
> Stamford, CT--record crowd of nearly 30--were very concerned that we could
> get shut out of the bowl picture at 6-6.    The Zookers just fell behind
> 14-0.  If Gophers can put them away, maybe we move ahead of them, given
> their collapse in second half of season.   And Hoosiers are up 17-10 on
> Boilers,  upsets in both would be huge for us.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 16:17:26
> To: <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] There may be ...
>
>
>   When we went from taking the lead into a 3-17 hole, I knew we were in
> deep doo-doo.  All the deserved criticism of Sparty having a yellow streak
> has evaporated under D'Antonio, and
> Michigan St's QB is a gamer.  He took advantage of player-personnel
> decisions and executed well in the rain.  I don't think we played bad
> (except for the end of the 2nd Q.), but MSU played a little better.  Still,
> another good November.  Regardless where they end up, I think we'll match
> up well and finally break our bowl drought.  Texas A&M could be a problem,
> but Cal? Toledo? Rutgers? NC ST?  We FINALLY may be matched against someone
> we can handle; a big switch from years gone by.
>
>
>   Just a "PS"...Not condoning 6-6 earning a bowl, but these are the rules
> and it beats the hell out of how our season was going.  We will not be
> playing the 1940 Army Cadets or the 1969 USC Trojans in our bowl.
>        GO CATS!!!          Eric
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Sat, Nov 26, 2011 8:29 am
> Subject: [NU Sports] There may be ...
>
>
> ... better coaches in the land than Mark Dantonio at Xs and Os or script
> planning or motivation.
>
> But I don't think any coach around understands momentum as well as MSU's
> head
> coach.
>
> He knows just when to call a fake punt or fake FG or timeout for a
> runback, etc.
> And he did a nice job of waiting on exploiting our newbie corner until the
> right
> moment. Everyone in the stadium, including the announcers, expected him to
> throw
> right away at #15, but he waited until the right moment.
>
> Ugh - we dominated 90% of that half and then got blitzed at the end.
>
> Hopefully we take the opening drive right down and make a game of it again.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 16:00:54 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:00:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I suspect NU is going bowling ....
Message-ID: <1322344854.70948.YahooMailNeo@web114705.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

... and I only care about ONE thing -- winning.

I careth not where. New Orleans, Boise, DC, the Motor City, all fine. Flin Flon would be fine. Tegucigalpa, bring it on.


I careth not who. Texas A&M, Mississippi State, Cal, Iowa State, all fine. Evanston High fine.? Rogers Park 125-pounders? You bet,.


I careth not when. 3 am on Christmas Day? Fine.

I care about ending that damned bowl streak and NOTHING else. I am sick of hearing about it especially from Illini losers and Iowa dopes.?

All bowls are good and any win would be great!!

Go 'Cats!!

bw



?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 26 16:08:17 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 16:08:17 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] There may be ...
In-Reply-To: <1074516833-1322344045-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1358818815-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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> I hope you are right, but those of us watching at Buffalo Wild Wings in Stamford, CT--record crowd of nearly 30--were very concerned that we could get shut out of the bowl picture at 6-6.    The Zookers just fell behind 14-0.  If Gophers can put them away, maybe we move ahead of them, given their collapse in second half of season.   And Hoosiers are up 17-10 on Boilers,  upsets in both would be huge for us.

Purdue has tied the score at 17, Minny is now up 17-0 over the (I suspect)
soon-to-be Zookless Illini.

I agree that Michigan all but locked up a BCS at-large bid today,
and Hoke may have locked up national coach of the year honors, too.

Penn State is falling apart in Madison.  

I think the Cats played a good game today, except for about 3 minutes in
the 2nd quarter.  That final TD catch by BJ Cunningham was one of 
the best I've seen all season.

Wouldn't you love to read Fitz's report to the Big Ten office on the 
officiating in our game?  It was almost as bad as the officiating in 
the Texas - Texas A&M game Thursday night.
==
Mike Nolan


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 16:08:27 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:08:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] we have to play these guys every year now?
Message-ID: <1322345307.85076.YahooMailNeo@web114713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

No thanks. Sparty owns NU. This was a winnable game that NU never led. The fumble was the turning point, but TWO 90-yard-plus drives? And the big plays were killers.

I listened to the game while at work, so I didn't see it, but it sounds like MSU was physically superior. Sigh. 

bw
?

"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 16:11:51 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:11:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
Message-ID: <1322345511.86964.YahooMailNeo@web114707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



?.... had NU played the damned Illini today, when NU should, the 'Cats would win 42-14. Blast it all. Of all the losses this year that one drives me most batty, even more than Army. 

Go go Goofy Gopher!!! 

bw



"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal

From DPENDERG at aol.com  Sat Nov 26 16:23:56 2011
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:23:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
Message-ID: <636d.2dede76.3c02c0fc@aol.com>

If we had won -- and should have -- against Army and Illinois, we would be  
8-4 and headed to someplace warm.  For whatever reason, I don't think Cats  
were ready to play against two very beatable opponents. I think the  
coaching staff shoulders most of the responsibility.  No one seriously  thought we 
could match up against MSU, but a good season was doomed by those two  
inexcusable early defeats.  
 
 
In a message dated 11/26/2011 5:12:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com writes:



.... had NU played the damned Illini today, when NU  should, the 'Cats 
would win 42-14. Blast it all. Of all the losses this year  that one drives me 
most batty, even more than Army. 

Go go Goofy  Gopher!!! 

bw



"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating  than intelligence. Intelligence 
has its limits while stupidity has none. To  observe a profoundly stupid 
individual can be very enriching, and that's why  we should never feel contempt 
for them." -- Claude Chabrol  (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the  performer's role. It's not 
just to give one more concert. That's not culture.  That"s marketing." -- 
Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes  custodiet?" --  Juvenal
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 16:24:15 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:24:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
In-Reply-To: <1322345511.86964.YahooMailNeo@web114707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Yes, I will be glad to see the end of both Cousins and Cunningham and the end of MSU at the end of the season.

You should always end the year with your rival.

And while I'm criticizing Mr. Delaney again (though I will resist bringing up those awful division names :) ) ... the Heroes Trophy?? Really?? The St. Urban of Sanctimonious Pomposity Trophy was already taken?

Go Gophers! Go Hoosiers!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:11 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
 


?.... had NU played the damned Illini today, when NU should, the 'Cats would win 42-14. Blast it all. Of all the losses this year that one drives me most batty, even more than Army. 

Go go Goofy Gopher!!! 

bw



"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 16:31:10 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:31:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] we have to play these guys every year now?
In-Reply-To: <1322345307.85076.YahooMailNeo@web114713.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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They certainly do - at least with Cousins and Cunningham.

I liked our defensive game plan coming out with the aggressiveness and trying to hit Cousins (and maybe make Dantonio think about resting him).

But that NU fumble inside the five was a key play. We owned Sparty to that point. After that, a long drive, the punt return and bam! It was over.

Give Dantonio credit - he had his team motivated for a meaningless game ... and he knew the exact play to call to stop any NU momentum and seize the opportunity for Sparty.

I almost feel sorry for Sparty - they're in a similar spot to LSU in a month or so ... having to beat a team they already beat to win a title they should have already won.

However, Wisky-MSU is a rematch people actually want to see. Should be a slobberknocker between two teams who really don't like each other in Indy. And with both teams being relatively close drives to Indy and UW always traveling well, I expect a loud, full house in the New Hoosierdome.

Now it's the waiting game and you just gotta hope NU gets in so that Cats like Persa, Ebert and Dunsmore can end their NU careers on a better note. They deserve that at least.

Go Gophers! Go Hoosiers!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:08 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] we have to play these guys every year now?
 
No thanks. Sparty owns NU. This was a winnable game that NU never led. The fumble was the turning point, but TWO 90-yard-plus drives? And the big plays were killers.

I listened to the game while at work, so I didn't see it, but it sounds like MSU was physically superior. Sigh. 

bw
?

"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 16:32:16 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:32:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
In-Reply-To: <1322346255.51144.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322345511.86964.YahooMailNeo@web114707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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At least get the man's name right before you rip him ... DELANY!

Anyway, while Delany deserves much abuse for various dunderheaded decisions, I doubt he had much to do with the name of the Iowa-Nebraska trophy. 


I like Farmageddon myself.

bw

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 16:37:42 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:37:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
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OK, I should explain the Delaney jabs.

It was at an NU hoops game following the Rose Bowl season where Delaney came to present the Big Ten championship trophy to Coach Barnett and the "North Caro ... oops ... Northwestern" Wildcats.

I would agree that for the most part, he's made good decisions for the league ... but he is part of the B(C)S Cartel of Six who makes the rules and did come up with those division names.

So NO MERCY! :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
 

At least get the man's name right before you rip him ... DELANY!

Anyway, while Delany deserves much abuse for various dunderheaded decisions, I doubt he had much to do with the name of the Iowa-Nebraska trophy. 


I like Farmageddon myself.

bw

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 26 16:51:35 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 16:51:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
In-Reply-To: <1322346255.51144.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111126225136.076B76521C@romaine.tssi.com>

> And while I'm criticizing Mr. Delaney again (though I will resist bringing =
> up those awful division names :) ) ... the Heroes Trophy?? Really?? The St.=
>  Urban of Sanctimonious Pomposity Trophy was already taken?

I don't think the Big Ten office (ie, Delaney) came up with the name for 
that trophy.

Not only is the name lame, the trophy is boring.  

Over on the Husker List, it was suggested that they should make the city of
Carter Lake Iowa the 'trophy', except that it has to go to to the state
of the losing team.  (For those who don't know, Carter Lake Iowa is west 
of the current course of the Missouri River due to an 1877 flood, when the
river dug a new channel, bypassing the Saratoga Bend and creating an oxbow
lake, though it took a 1892 Supreme Court decision to settle the legal 
dispute.

Illinois was trailing 27-0 but just pulled off a fake punt for their
third first down of the day (compared to 15 for the Gophers.)

A freshman QB is now leading the Illini on their first decent looking
drive of the day, and they just scored to make it 27-7.

Penn State is now trailing 35-7, Purdue is leading by 6.
--
Mike Nolan


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 17:02:28 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 15:02:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
In-Reply-To: <8CE7AA595C6E35C-9C8-56C12@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1322345511.86964.YahooMailNeo@web114707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1322346255.51144.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><1322346736.11290.YahooMailNeo@web114709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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I agree with you on Delany, Chuck, but then I don't share the animosity to the BCS that SJT does. 


Remember, Illinois followed Lou Tepper with Ron Turner, so it could be they get a WORSE coach than Zook!! Though in the interest of fairness (yuck) it should be noted Zook beat NU twice in a row. (double-yuck).

Go Goophers!!!

bw


?
"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal


________________________________
 From: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
To: sjtruog at yahoo.com; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
 

With all due respect to SJT, I like having Jim Delany going to bat for our league in the fight for bowl slots.? I? like to think Jim Delany would take unfair advantage of his grandmother (or a contemporary) if it helped the Big Ten members.

And Zooker is down 27-7 near the end of the 3rd.? The risk, however, is that Illinois might someday hire an outstanding coach...

Chuck Herron? Tech '85




-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....


OK, I should explain the Delaney jabs.

It was at an NU hoops game following the Rose Bowl season where Delaney came to 
present the Big Ten championship trophy to Coach Barnett and the "North Caro ... 
oops ... Northwestern" Wildcats.

I would agree that for the most part, he's made good decisions for the league 
... but he is part of the B(C)S Cartel of Six who makes the rules and did come 
up with those division names.

So NO MERCY! :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
From: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" 
<nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....


At least get the man's name right before you rip him ... DELANY!

Anyway, while Delany deserves much abuse for various dunderheaded decisions, I 
doubt he had much to do with the name of the Iowa-Nebraska trophy. 


I like Farmageddon myself.

bw
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 26 17:03:28 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:03:28 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
In-Reply-To: <1322347062.55401.YahooMailNeo@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322345511.86964.YahooMailNeo@web114707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <1322346255.51144.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <1322346736.11290.YahooMailNeo@web114709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <1322347062.55401.YahooMailNeo@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001701ccac8f$9cbacb50$d63061f0$@com>

Hey Steve, he could decide to be part of the BCS BS and then the Big 10 would be home
while even lesser teams played on New Years.

And on the preparation of the team by the coaches....

I think our kids played to their abilities all thru the season, and once the defense
figured out that what Fitz had been preaching was right, to wit - "Football is a Team
Game" - they started to win again.

Anyone who has coached at any level has faced the situation when the players just don't
seem to get it. AS a coach, you can only try something else, and if that doesn't work,
something else again until the light goes on. Sometimes you run out of season, other times
it happens during the first game, but you never know when things will finally click.

Many of us here can remember that losing that 5th game would have doomed the Cats to a
2-10 season with even Indy and Minny standing triumphant over NU. THAT disgrace didn't
happen and our Cats came back with a purpose and drive that carried us through last
Saturday.

This team will be 100% Fitzgerald recruits next year. The Randy Walker guys acquitted
themselves well, as the winningest class ever. The challenge for next year's group of
Seniors is to surpass these guys, and every indication is that is where the 2012 team is
headed.

Go Cats - Expect Victory  (and don't cheat)

rsl



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
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------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT
(Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:38 PM
To: Brad Wilson; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....

OK, I should explain the Delaney jabs.

It was at an NU hoops game following the Rose Bowl season where Delaney came to present
the Big Ten championship trophy to Coach Barnett and the "North Caro ... oops ...
Northwestern" Wildcats.

I would agree that for the most part, he's made good decisions for the league ... but he
is part of the B(C)S Cartel of Six who makes the rules and did come up with those division
names.

So NO MERCY! :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com"
<nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
 

At least get the man's name right before you rip him ... DELANY!

Anyway, while Delany deserves much abuse for various dunderheaded decisions, I doubt he
had much to do with the name of the Iowa-Nebraska trophy. 


I like Farmageddon myself.

bw
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 26 17:11:53 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:11:53 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] All-Conference Team
Message-ID: <2033865679-1322349080-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-202878687-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Just saw on BTN they have showq on All-Conf Team Monday night @ 7:30 EST.  If Ebert doesn't make it, it would be a crime.  I think Peters has a shot for an honor, too--maybe Second Team.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 17:24:26 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 15:24:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 log jam
Message-ID: <1322349866.44607.YahooMailMobile@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Today I am a Gopher fan. If they hang on we could have four 6-6 teams. I just can&#39;t see any bowl taking Illinois over us given their meltdown. 

Jim

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 26 17:31:50 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:31:50 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
In-Reply-To: <1322346255.51144.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322345511.86964.YahooMailNeo@web114707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <1322346255.51144.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <722877942-1322350313-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1444533371-@b12.c4.bise6.blackberry>

Just FYI, the Heros trophy idea is centered on recognizing a couple of "heros" -- one from each state -- each year. I missed the story of the Iowa winner, but the NE hero was a woman who pulled some kids from a burning trailer home. Not a bad trophy idea actually. 

The trophy itself looks good too.

Tom
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:24:15 
To: Brad Wilson<bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....

Yes, I will be glad to see the end of both Cousins and Cunningham and the end of MSU at the end of the season.

You should always end the year with your rival.

And while I'm criticizing Mr. Delaney again (though I will resist bringing up those awful division names :) ) ... the Heroes Trophy?? Really?? The St. Urban of Sanctimonious Pomposity Trophy was already taken?

Go Gophers! Go Hoosiers!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:11 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
 


?.... had NU played the damned Illini today, when NU should, the 'Cats would win 42-14. Blast it all. Of all the losses this year that one drives me most batty, even more than Army. 

Go go Goofy Gopher!!! 

bw



"Stupidity is infinitely more fascinating than intelligence. Intelligence has its limits while stupidity has none. To observe a profoundly stupid individual can be very enriching, and that's why we should never feel contempt for them." -- Claude Chabrol (1930-2010)


"But to provoke -- in the good sense -- is the performer's role. It's not just to give one more concert. That's not culture. That"s marketing." -- Pierre Boulez


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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 26 17:49:09 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:49:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] bye bye zook?
Message-ID: <20111126234909.8A85965203@romaine.tssi.com>

Sheelhaase got STUFFED on 4th and goal and the Gophers hold on to the ball 
for the rest of the game to win 27-7, giving the Illini the bookends season:

6-0  0-6

Purdue opened up 16 point lead but the Hoosiers are fighting back and just
scored a TD and made the two point conversion. The score is now 33-25 
with Purdue moving, but the drive just stalled out and Indiana will get
the ball back with over 5 minutes left, but at their own 1.  

Wisky finally took their foot off the gas pedal and coasted to a 45-7 win.
I honestly don't know which team to cheer for next week, I dislike them
both, though MSU is the dirtier team, as they proved again today.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 26 18:08:02 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 18:08:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
Message-ID: <20111127000802.76B3264C79@romaine.tssi.com>

So, we've got four teams at 6-6, and it'll come down to a beauty
contest as to who goes where.  

I think the Big Ten may still wind up with all 10 bowl eligible teams 
in bowl games.
--
Mike Nolan


From cherron604 at aol.com  Sat Nov 26 16:55:10 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Charles Herron)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:55:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
In-Reply-To: <1322347062.55401.YahooMailNeo@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322345511.86964.YahooMailNeo@web114707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><1322346255.51144.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><1322346736.11290.YahooMailNeo@web114709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <1322347062.55401.YahooMailNeo@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CE7AA595C6E35C-9C8-56C12@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>

With all due respect to SJT, I like having Jim Delany going to bat for our league in the fight for bowl slots.  I  like to think Jim Delany would take unfair advantage of his grandmother (or a contemporary) if it helped the Big Ten members.

And Zooker is down 27-7 near the end of the 3rd.  The risk, however, is that Illinois might someday hire an outstanding coach...

Chuck Herron  Tech '85

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....


OK, I should explain the Delaney jabs.



It was at an NU hoops game following the Rose Bowl season where Delaney came to 

present the Big Ten championship trophy to Coach Barnett and the "North Caro ... 

oops ... Northwestern" Wildcats.



I would agree that for the most part, he's made good decisions for the league 

... but he is part of the B(C)S Cartel of Six who makes the rules and did come 

up with those division names.



So NO MERCY! :)



GO CATS!!!

-SjT

 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

STEPHEN J. TRUOG

sjtruog at yahoo.com

GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!

Super Bowl XLIV Champions!

________________________________







________________________________

 From: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>

To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" 

<nwu-sports at tssi.com> 

Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:32 PM

Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....

 



At least get the man's name right before you rip him ... DELANY!



Anyway, while Delany deserves much abuse for various dunderheaded decisions, I 

doubt he had much to do with the name of the Iowa-Nebraska trophy. 





I like Farmageddon myself.



bw

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 26 20:11:15 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 02:11:15 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
In-Reply-To: <8CE7AA595C6E35C-9C8-56C12@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1322345511.86964.YahooMailNeo@web114707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <1322346255.51144.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <1322346736.11290.YahooMailNeo@web114709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <1322347062.55401.YahooMailNeo@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <8CE7AA595C6E35C-9C8-56C12@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1177997006-1322359842-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1396426612-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

I beg to differ, Chuck.  The risk is that the Illini might hire a mediocre coach--which would be a substantial upgrade. 

 Zook can recruit, but he sure can't "coach".  His team looked DEAD today agsinst a Minnesota defense nobody would confuse with 'Bama or LSU or even MSU.

I will miss having him around next year to kick around.  Once he goes, I will only have Bile-lema to loathe in the BT.  It seems to me that he and Zook are the two BT coaches for whom Fitz cannot hide his dislike, although I sometimes wonder if Dantonio is in that category, too.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:55:10 
To: <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....

With all due respect to SJT, I like having Jim Delany going to bat for our league in the fight for bowl slots.  I  like to think Jim Delany would take unfair advantage of his grandmother (or a contemporary) if it helped the Big Ten members.

And Zooker is down 27-7 near the end of the 3rd.  The risk, however, is that Illinois might someday hire an outstanding coach...

Chuck Herron  Tech '85

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....


OK, I should explain the Delaney jabs.



It was at an NU hoops game following the Rose Bowl season where Delaney came to 

present the Big Ten championship trophy to Coach Barnett and the "North Caro ... 

oops ... Northwestern" Wildcats.



I would agree that for the most part, he's made good decisions for the league 

... but he is part of the B(C)S Cartel of Six who makes the rules and did come 

up with those division names.



So NO MERCY! :)



GO CATS!!!

-SjT

 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

STEPHEN J. TRUOG

sjtruog at yahoo.com

GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!

Super Bowl XLIV Champions!

________________________________







________________________________

 From: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>

To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" 

<nwu-sports at tssi.com> 

Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:32 PM

Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....

 



At least get the man's name right before you rip him ... DELANY!



Anyway, while Delany deserves much abuse for various dunderheaded decisions, I 

doubt he had much to do with the name of the Iowa-Nebraska trophy. 





I like Farmageddon myself.



bw

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 26 22:09:27 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:09:27 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....
In-Reply-To: <1177997006-1322359842-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1396426612-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1322345511.86964.YahooMailNeo@web114707.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <1322346255.51144.YahooMailNeo@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <1322346736.11290.YahooMailNeo@web114709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
 <1322347062.55401.YahooMailNeo@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <8CE7AA595C6E35C-9C8-56C12@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>
 <1177997006-1322359842-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1396426612-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <000601ccacba$5bc2cf50$13486df0$@com>

I think I saw Fitz smiling when he shook hands with D'antonio.... but then I might be
wrong. (or does Fitz always smile when talking to the other coach)

I sure must be quiet in Shampoo-Banana tonight.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 9:11 PM
To: Charles Herron; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; sjtruog at yahoo.com;
bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....

I beg to differ, Chuck.  The risk is that the Illini might hire a mediocre coach--which
would be a substantial upgrade. 

 Zook can recruit, but he sure can't "coach".  His team looked DEAD today agsinst a
Minnesota defense nobody would confuse with 'Bama or LSU or even MSU.

I will miss having him around next year to kick around.  Once he goes, I will only have
Bile-lema to loathe in the BT.  It seems to me that he and Zook are the two BT coaches for
whom Fitz cannot hide his dislike, although I sometimes wonder if Dantonio is in that
category, too.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 17:55:10 
To: <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....

With all due respect to SJT, I like having Jim Delany going to bat for our league in the
fight for bowl slots.  I  like to think Jim Delany would take unfair advantage of his
grandmother (or a contemporary) if it helped the Big Ten members.

And Zooker is down 27-7 near the end of the 3rd.  The risk, however, is that Illinois
might someday hire an outstanding coach...

Chuck Herron  Tech '85

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 26, 2011 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....


OK, I should explain the Delaney jabs.



It was at an NU hoops game following the Rose Bowl season where Delaney came to 

present the Big Ten championship trophy to Coach Barnett and the "North Caro ... 

oops ... Northwestern" Wildcats.



I would agree that for the most part, he's made good decisions for the league 

... but he is part of the B(C)S Cartel of Six who makes the rules and did come 

up with those division names.



So NO MERCY! :)



GO CATS!!!

-SjT

 

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

STEPHEN J. TRUOG

sjtruog at yahoo.com

GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!

Super Bowl XLIV Champions!

________________________________







________________________________

 From: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>

To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" 

<nwu-sports at tssi.com> 

Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 3:32 PM

Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SJT's timing point was right ....

 



At least get the man's name right before you rip him ... DELANY!



Anyway, while Delany deserves much abuse for various dunderheaded decisions, I 

doubt he had much to do with the name of the Iowa-Nebraska trophy. 





I like Farmageddon myself.



bw

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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 26 23:21:25 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:21:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats beat Huskers again--in VB
Message-ID: <20111127052125.A1A4664572@romaine.tssi.com>

Nebraska has already locked up the Big Ten women's volleyball
championship and is awaiting its placement in the NCAA Tourney, 
while the Cats are in 10th place and not likely to make the
postseason when the field is announced tomorrow, but the Cats
knocked off the second-ranked Huskers in Evanston tonight,
25-20, 9-25, 25-21, 25-23.
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Nov 26 23:25:35 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 05:25:35 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
Message-ID: <612362485-1322371639-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1032701376-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

In my mind we could have won all of our games this year except today.(Yes that includes michigan and PSU) Many years we won all of the close ones, this year we didn't. Not knocking us, just saying its a combination of luck and that the really good teams pull out the close ones that separates us from a mediocre year to an excellent year.  Still if we go to a bowl and win, I will be happier with what would be a 7-6 year than our past 8-5 years

Harry 
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So, we've got four teams at 6-6, and it'll come down to a beauty
contest as to who goes where.  

I think the Big Ten may still wind up with all 10 bowl eligible teams 
in bowl games.
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Nov 26 23:45:21 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 23:45:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
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Harry, I think we were only a few plays away from winning today's
game.  Take away their two scores late in the first half and the
score is tied.  Give us a TD instead of a turnover on the 3
and it's a whole new ball game.

FWIW, I TOTALLY disagree with the headline on the ESPN story
about today's game.  We weren't 'beat up' by MSU, we GAVE 
them the win on a silver platter.  :sigh:

The stats were remarkably even, which is also inconsistent with
being 'beaten up'.  

But 6-6 and a probable bowl game, possibly even a winnable one,
still looks pretty good to me today, given how things looked 6 
weeks ago.  For sure our season, even with today's loss, ended on 
a far higher note than Ill-Noise's.  I still think most Husker
fans don't understand why they lost that game.

I have an associate in Tennessee who's a big UT fan, they lost to 
Kentucky today (for the first time since 1984) to finish at 5-7.  
(Not sure if the Liberty Bowl reps on hand were disappointed or
relieved.) 

UT would trade records with us in a heartbeat!

USC is beating the stuffing out of UCLA tonight, and UCLA will be
playing in their conference championship game next week with their
6-6 record.  I wonder if they lose to Oregon next week if that 
means they aren't bowl eligible, since they would have a losing 
record at that point?   ESPN doesn't have them tagged as 
bowl eligible.
--
Mike Nolan


From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 26 23:55:56 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 21:55:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
In-Reply-To: <20111127054521.746D8650EB@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111127054521.746D8650EB@romaine.tssi.com>
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Herbstreit mentioned the UCLA bowl situation on the ND telecast tonight.? He 
wasn't sure if a conference tournament is considered for bowl eligibility (how 
many 6-6 teams have gone to their conference championship)?

He (or Brent) mentioned something about a "waiver", which may mean that someone 
would make it up as they go along.





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Sent: Sat, November 26, 2011 11:45:21 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible

Harry, I think we were only a few plays away from winning today's
game.? Take away their two scores late in the first half and the
score is tied.? Give us a TD instead of a turnover on the 3
and it's a whole new ball game.

FWIW, I TOTALLY disagree with the headline on the ESPN story
about today's game.? We weren't 'beat up' by MSU, we GAVE 
them the win on a silver platter.? :sigh:

The stats were remarkably even, which is also inconsistent with
being 'beaten up'.? 

But 6-6 and a probable bowl game, possibly even a winnable one,
still looks pretty good to me today, given how things looked 6 
weeks ago.? For sure our season, even with today's loss, ended on 
a far higher note than Ill-Noise's.? I still think most Husker
fans don't understand why they lost that game.

I have an associate in Tennessee who's a big UT fan, they lost to 
Kentucky today (for the first time since 1984) to finish at 5-7.? 
(Not sure if the Liberty Bowl reps on hand were disappointed or
relieved.) 

UT would trade records with us in a heartbeat!

USC is beating the stuffing out of UCLA tonight, and UCLA will be
playing in their conference championship game next week with their
6-6 record.? I wonder if they lose to Oregon next week if that 
means they aren't bowl eligible, since they would have a losing 
record at that point?? ESPN doesn't have them tagged as 
bowl eligible.
--
Mike Nolan

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From herms at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 27 00:19:20 2011
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 01:19:20 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
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UCLA is likely in a bowl.  Here is the relevant NCAA rule- 2. A conference team that is 6-6 and plays in a conference championship game and 
loses to finish with a record of 6-7 may apply for a waiver to allow that team to be 
considered for a postseason bowl. Conditions that will be considered in such a waiver 
include whether or not all other conference teams under consideration have 6-6 records 
and there are not a sufficient number of eligible teams to meet the conference's bowl 
commitments.
http://blogs.dailynews.com/ucla/2011/11/looks-like-the-pac-12-is-wrong.html
The Pac-12 currently has 6 bowl-eligible teams, with 7 bowl tie-ins.  UCLA would presumably get the 7th slot, maybe even the 6th, if the conference sends both Oregon and Stanford into the BCS.

> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 21:55:56 -0800
> From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net
> To: nolan at tssi.com; hakirsch at aol.com
> CC: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
> 
> Herbstreit mentioned the UCLA bowl situation on the ND telecast tonight.  He 
> wasn't sure if a conference tournament is considered for bowl eligibility (how 
> many 6-6 teams have gone to their conference championship)?
> 
> He (or Brent) mentioned something about a "waiver", which may mean that someone 
> would make it up as they go along.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
> To: hakirsch at aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Sent: Sat, November 26, 2011 11:45:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
> 
> Harry, I think we were only a few plays away from winning today's
> game.  Take away their two scores late in the first half and the
> score is tied.  Give us a TD instead of a turnover on the 3
> and it's a whole new ball game.
> 
> FWIW, I TOTALLY disagree with the headline on the ESPN story
> about today's game.  We weren't 'beat up' by MSU, we GAVE 
> them the win on a silver platter.  :sigh:
> 
> The stats were remarkably even, which is also inconsistent with
> being 'beaten up'.  
> 
> But 6-6 and a probable bowl game, possibly even a winnable one,
> still looks pretty good to me today, given how things looked 6 
> weeks ago.  For sure our season, even with today's loss, ended on 
> a far higher note than Ill-Noise's.  I still think most Husker
> fans don't understand why they lost that game.
> 
> I have an associate in Tennessee who's a big UT fan, they lost to 
> Kentucky today (for the first time since 1984) to finish at 5-7.  
> (Not sure if the Liberty Bowl reps on hand were disappointed or
> relieved.) 
> 
> UT would trade records with us in a heartbeat!
> 
> USC is beating the stuffing out of UCLA tonight, and UCLA will be
> playing in their conference championship game next week with their
> 6-6 record.  I wonder if they lose to Oregon next week if that 
> means they aren't bowl eligible, since they would have a losing 
> record at that point?  ESPN doesn't have them tagged as 
> bowl eligible.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 27 00:26:00 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:26:00 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
In-Reply-To: <SNT104-W25E164D96D477C664CF43EAECD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20111127062600.258A764575@romaine.tssi.com>

> UCLA is likely in a bowl.  Here is the relevant NCAA rule- 2. A conference 
> team that is 6-6 and plays in a conference championship game and
> loses to finish with a record of 6-7 may apply for a waiver to allow that 
> team to be considered for a postseason bowl. 

Arizona State applied for a waiver last year (under different
circumstances) and got turned down, so those waivers are far from
automatic.
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 00:29:43 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 06:29:43 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
In-Reply-To: <SNT104-W25E164D96D477C664CF43EAECD0@phx.gbl>
References: <20111127054521.746D8650EB@romaine.tssi.com>
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The funny thing is if UCLA pulls the upset and beats Oregon they stay home and play in Pasadena for the big one.  If they lose,they have to petition to go to a bowl game--presumably a fairly low rated one

Harry
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Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 01:19:20 
To: <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>; <nolan at tssi.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible


UCLA is likely in a bowl.  Here is the relevant NCAA rule- 2. A conference team that is 6-6 and plays in a conference championship game and 
loses to finish with a record of 6-7 may apply for a waiver to allow that team to be 
considered for a postseason bowl. Conditions that will be considered in such a waiver 
include whether or not all other conference teams under consideration have 6-6 records 
and there are not a sufficient number of eligible teams to meet the conference's bowl 
commitments.
http://blogs.dailynews.com/ucla/2011/11/looks-like-the-pac-12-is-wrong.html
The Pac-12 currently has 6 bowl-eligible teams, with 7 bowl tie-ins.  UCLA would presumably get the 7th slot, maybe even the 6th, if the conference sends both Oregon and Stanford into the BCS.

> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 21:55:56 -0800
> From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net
> To: nolan at tssi.com; hakirsch at aol.com
> CC: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
> 
> Herbstreit mentioned the UCLA bowl situation on the ND telecast tonight.  He 
> wasn't sure if a conference tournament is considered for bowl eligibility (how 
> many 6-6 teams have gone to their conference championship)?
> 
> He (or Brent) mentioned something about a "waiver", which may mean that someone 
> would make it up as they go along.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
> To: hakirsch at aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Sent: Sat, November 26, 2011 11:45:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
> 
> Harry, I think we were only a few plays away from winning today's
> game.  Take away their two scores late in the first half and the
> score is tied.  Give us a TD instead of a turnover on the 3
> and it's a whole new ball game.
> 
> FWIW, I TOTALLY disagree with the headline on the ESPN story
> about today's game.  We weren't 'beat up' by MSU, we GAVE 
> them the win on a silver platter.  :sigh:
> 
> The stats were remarkably even, which is also inconsistent with
> being 'beaten up'.  
> 
> But 6-6 and a probable bowl game, possibly even a winnable one,
> still looks pretty good to me today, given how things looked 6 
> weeks ago.  For sure our season, even with today's loss, ended on 
> a far higher note than Ill-Noise's.  I still think most Husker
> fans don't understand why they lost that game.
> 
> I have an associate in Tennessee who's a big UT fan, they lost to 
> Kentucky today (for the first time since 1984) to finish at 5-7.  
> (Not sure if the Liberty Bowl reps on hand were disappointed or
> relieved.) 
> 
> UT would trade records with us in a heartbeat!
> 
> USC is beating the stuffing out of UCLA tonight, and UCLA will be
> playing in their conference championship game next week with their
> 6-6 record.  I wonder if they lose to Oregon next week if that 
> means they aren't bowl eligible, since they would have a losing 
> record at that point?  ESPN doesn't have them tagged as 
> bowl eligible.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From herms at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 27 00:33:06 2011
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 01:33:06 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
In-Reply-To: <20111127062600.258A764575@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <SNT104-W25E164D96D477C664CF43EAECD0@phx.gbl>,
 <20111127062600.258A764575@romaine.tssi.com>
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Arizona State last year was ineligible for a bowl because although it finished 6-6, two of its wins were over FCS schools, and the NCAA only lets you count one of those wins towards bowl eligibility.
For UCLA, I think the relevant clause is this-  Conditions that will be considered in such a waiver include whether or not all other conference teams under consideration have 6-6 records  and there are not a sufficient number of eligible teams to meet the conference's bowl commitments.
With only six currently bowl eligible-teams and seven bowl tie-ins, the Pac-12 is short of the teams necessary to fulfill its bowl commitments.  Thus, UCLA being eligible at 6-7 would ensure that the fulfillment is met.



> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
> To: herms at hotmail.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:26:00 -0600
> CC: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net; nolan at tssi.com; hakirsch at aol.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> From: nolan at tssi.com
> 
> > UCLA is likely in a bowl.  Here is the relevant NCAA rule- 2. A conference 
> > team that is 6-6 and plays in a conference championship game and
> > loses to finish with a record of 6-7 may apply for a waiver to allow that 
> > team to be considered for a postseason bowl. 
> 
> Arizona State applied for a waiver last year (under different
> circumstances) and got turned down, so those waivers are far from
> automatic.
> --
> Mike Nolan
 		 	   		  

From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 27 00:40:24 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:40:24 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
In-Reply-To: <SNT104-W52C71AE855618F00DB5A12AECD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20111127064024.BA08C65225@romaine.tssi.com>

Unless the NCAA plans to acts on a waiver request really fast next 
weekend, because most of the bowls will be locked up quickly (several
already have been), UCLA might also be in the odd position of having 
to apply for a waiver on the basis of having lost the Pac-12 
championship game before the game is even played.

As Art Buchwald used to say:  I could not make this stuff up!
--
Mike Nolan


From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 00:41:31 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 22:41:31 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
In-Reply-To: <SNT104-W52C71AE855618F00DB5A12AECD0@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT104-W25E164D96D477C664CF43EAECD0@phx.gbl>
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 <SNT104-W52C71AE855618F00DB5A12AECD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <-1133547213759605575@unknownmsgid>

How does getting whacked 50-0 figure into things?

Assuming, of course, that UCLA loses again next week to Oregon, and
probably by another obscene score ...

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 26, 2011, at 10:33 PM, Herman Wang <herms at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Arizona State last year was ineligible for a bowl because although it finished 6-6, two of its wins were over FCS schools, and the NCAA only lets you count one of those wins towards bowl eligibility.
> For UCLA, I think the relevant clause is this-  Conditions that will be considered in such a waiver include whether or not all other conference teams under consideration have 6-6 records  and there are not a sufficient number of eligible teams to meet the conference's bowl commitments.
> With only six currently bowl eligible-teams and seven bowl tie-ins, the Pac-12 is short of the teams necessary to fulfill its bowl commitments.  Thus, UCLA being eligible at 6-7 would ensure that the fulfillment is met.
>
>
>
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
>> To: herms at hotmail.com
>> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:26:00 -0600
>> CC: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net; nolan at tssi.com; hakirsch at aol.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> From: nolan at tssi.com
>>
>>> UCLA is likely in a bowl.  Here is the relevant NCAA rule- 2. A conference
>>> team that is 6-6 and plays in a conference championship game and
>>> loses to finish with a record of 6-7 may apply for a waiver to allow that
>>> team to be considered for a postseason bowl.
>>
>> Arizona State applied for a waiver last year (under different
>> circumstances) and got turned down, so those waivers are far from
>> automatic.
>> --
>> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 00:43:10 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 06:43:10 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
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I don't know what the betting line will be for the Pac 12 Championship will be but it may be one of the highest ever for a conference championship game and the inaugural one at that !  My guess is 24 points

Harry
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible

The funny thing is if UCLA pulls the upset and beats Oregon they stay home and play in Pasadena for the big one.  If they lose,they have to petition to go to a bowl game--presumably a fairly low rated one

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: Herman Wang <herms at hotmail.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 01:19:20 
To: <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>; <nolan at tssi.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible


UCLA is likely in a bowl.  Here is the relevant NCAA rule- 2. A conference team that is 6-6 and plays in a conference championship game and 
loses to finish with a record of 6-7 may apply for a waiver to allow that team to be 
considered for a postseason bowl. Conditions that will be considered in such a waiver 
include whether or not all other conference teams under consideration have 6-6 records 
and there are not a sufficient number of eligible teams to meet the conference's bowl 
commitments.
http://blogs.dailynews.com/ucla/2011/11/looks-like-the-pac-12-is-wrong.html
The Pac-12 currently has 6 bowl-eligible teams, with 7 bowl tie-ins.  UCLA would presumably get the 7th slot, maybe even the 6th, if the conference sends both Oregon and Stanford into the BCS.

> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 21:55:56 -0800
> From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net
> To: nolan at tssi.com; hakirsch at aol.com
> CC: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
> 
> Herbstreit mentioned the UCLA bowl situation on the ND telecast tonight.  He 
> wasn't sure if a conference tournament is considered for bowl eligibility (how 
> many 6-6 teams have gone to their conference championship)?
> 
> He (or Brent) mentioned something about a "waiver", which may mean that someone 
> would make it up as they go along.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
> To: hakirsch at aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Sent: Sat, November 26, 2011 11:45:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
> 
> Harry, I think we were only a few plays away from winning today's
> game.  Take away their two scores late in the first half and the
> score is tied.  Give us a TD instead of a turnover on the 3
> and it's a whole new ball game.
> 
> FWIW, I TOTALLY disagree with the headline on the ESPN story
> about today's game.  We weren't 'beat up' by MSU, we GAVE 
> them the win on a silver platter.  :sigh:
> 
> The stats were remarkably even, which is also inconsistent with
> being 'beaten up'.  
> 
> But 6-6 and a probable bowl game, possibly even a winnable one,
> still looks pretty good to me today, given how things looked 6 
> weeks ago.  For sure our season, even with today's loss, ended on 
> a far higher note than Ill-Noise's.  I still think most Husker
> fans don't understand why they lost that game.
> 
> I have an associate in Tennessee who's a big UT fan, they lost to 
> Kentucky today (for the first time since 1984) to finish at 5-7.  
> (Not sure if the Liberty Bowl reps on hand were disappointed or
> relieved.) 
> 
> UT would trade records with us in a heartbeat!
> 
> USC is beating the stuffing out of UCLA tonight, and UCLA will be
> playing in their conference championship game next week with their
> 6-6 record.  I wonder if they lose to Oregon next week if that 
> means they aren't bowl eligible, since they would have a losing 
> record at that point?  ESPN doesn't have them tagged as 
> bowl eligible.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 27 00:51:46 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 00:51:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue keeps the bucket, is bowl eligible
In-Reply-To: <-1133547213759605575@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <20111127065146.5EC9E65225@romaine.tssi.com>

> How does getting whacked 50-0 figure into things?

If they're declared to be eligible for a conference slot, contractually
the next bowl in line when all the other teams are gone probably 
can't turn them down.  Historically, I don't think UCLA travels
well to out-of-state minor bowls, either.  

Maybe they'll pair UCLA and Penn State.  Would that be the Leftover
Bowl or the Rodney Dangerfield Bowl?
 
> Assuming, of course, that UCLA loses again next week to Oregon, and
> probably by another obscene score ...

Sounds likely.  There were a bunch of obscene scores this weekend,
even some ranked teams lost badly.  But ESPN says NU was 'beat up'.  
:sigh:
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Nov 27 07:51:35 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 08:51:35 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Why you don't fire a coach with a winning record
Message-ID: <000201ccad0b$ae78f570$0b6ae050$@com>

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/26/maryland-nc-state-score-randy-edsall-brown
-glennon/

Fridge was 9-4 and Maryland dumped him anyway.

rsl

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Nov 27 13:03:45 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 14:03:45 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Zook is out
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0159E8@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Not a big surprise, but the Zooker is out.
 
I agree with others that we were the unfortunate victims of the schedule this year, getting the first half Illinois team that couldn't lose versus the second half team that couldn't win.
 
That said, Fitz again takes full responsibility (along with his staff) for the six loses this season.  He doesn't complain about admissions standards, facilities, mabin's injury, bad calls, or talent.  Hopefully we'll get a bowl bid and he'll have a chance to "coach up" the team for a bowl victory.
 
Jeff
 
 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-illinois-fires-zook-after-seven-upanddown-seasons-20111127,0,5732119.story

From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 27 13:56:33 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:56:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
Message-ID: <20111127195633.90E8D65201@romaine.tssi.com>

Michigan State remains the top rated Big Ten team, Michigan may need
some help from the Harris voters or the computers to get a BCS at large
bid next week, they're currently 17th in the AP poll and 16th in the
coaches poll, and I believe they need to be in the top 14. 

The computers haven't loved the Big Ten this season.

If Michigan doesn't get an at-large BCS bid, that will affect
where the Cats go.
--
Mike Nolan


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 27 15:34:32 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:34:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
Message-ID: <1322429672.40983.YahooMailMobile@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Could NU even consider New Orleans or New Mexico on Dec. 17th? A bid to either means having 19 bowl practices in 13 days but it also happens in the middle of fall quarter finals. 

Jim

From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sun Nov 27 15:45:05 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:45:05 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
In-Reply-To: <1322429672.40983.YahooMailMobile@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1322429672.40983.YahooMailMobile@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu6s5kt3MecK8qpaF=izaFHJc8jSpv072zvYvvhs0gWeyA@mail.gmail.com>

With some of the teams above them guaranteed to lose next week (conf
championship games), Michigan is in good shape to sneak into top 14, which
any sensical BCS bowl will likely snap up.

This would mean just 1 Big Ten team doesn't get a conf-affiliated spot, and
my money's on Illinois.  That means it depends on how far PSU falls and if
Houston wants them; NU would have a decent shot there if they pass on PSU,
otherwise it looks like a trip to Detroit is in the cards (since I doubt
Dallas wants NU for 2nd straight year).  But, nobody knows for sure until
exactly 1 week from now.

--
Jonathan
On Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM, "Jim Leonard" <jleonard518 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Could NU even consider New Orleans or New Mexico on Dec. 17th? A bid to
> either means having 19 bowl practices in 13 days but it also happens in the
> middle of fall quarter finals.
>
> Jim
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 27 17:05:08 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:05:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
Message-ID: <20111127230509.01F6465265@romaine.tssi.com>

I expect there will be more firings yet to come, but I think this 
is the list so far this season:

Illinois
Ohio State (not exactly a 'new' firing, but I doubt interim coach
  Luke Fickell will get the job full time, unless Urban Meyer turns it down.)
Penn State (also not news, but possibly the most intriguing vacancy to fill,
  because of all the unknowns.)

Three coaching vacancies in the Big Ten in one season is somewhat unusual,
but the circumstances surrounding two of them are also unusual.

Arizona
Memphis
Akron
UAB
New Mexico (already filled with Bob Davie)

Late addition: Turner Gill has just been fired at Kansas.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 27 17:25:37 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:25:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
In-Reply-To: <20111127230509.01F6465265@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <20111127232537.C750B65261@romaine.tssi.com>

RichRod has already been hired to fill the Arizona vacancy.

ESPN's blog says that three other Pac 12 coaches could bite the dust
soon:

Dennis Erickson at Arizona State
Rick Neuheisel at UCLA
Paul Wulff at Washington State

Neuheisel is in an odd position: Win the next game and UCLA is in 
the Rose Bowl, do you fire a coach who got you to the Rose Bowl, even 
with a big assist from the NCAA?
--
Mike Nolan


From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 17:48:32 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:48:32 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
In-Reply-To: <20111127232537.C750B65261@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111127232537.C750B65261@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <-2471249317514502202@unknownmsgid>

All signs are Neuheisel is dead man walking.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> RichRod has already been hired to fill the Arizona vacancy.
>
> ESPN's blog says that three other Pac 12 coaches could bite the dust
> soon:
>
> Dennis Erickson at Arizona State
> Rick Neuheisel at UCLA
> Paul Wulff at Washington State
>
> Neuheisel is in an odd position: Win the next game and UCLA is in
> the Rose Bowl, do you fire a coach who got you to the Rose Bowl, even
> with a big assist from the NCAA?
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 18:11:36 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:11:36 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
In-Reply-To: <-2471249317514502202@unknownmsgid>
References: <20111127232537.C750B65261@romaine.tssi.com>
 <-2471249317514502202@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <540195084-1322439098-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1158497157-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

If Bruins make it to Pasadena ,Neuheisel stays

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:48:32 
To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies

All signs are Neuheisel is dead man walking.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> RichRod has already been hired to fill the Arizona vacancy.
>
> ESPN's blog says that three other Pac 12 coaches could bite the dust
> soon:
>
> Dennis Erickson at Arizona State
> Rick Neuheisel at UCLA
> Paul Wulff at Washington State
>
> Neuheisel is in an odd position: Win the next game and UCLA is in
> the Rose Bowl, do you fire a coach who got you to the Rose Bowl, even
> with a big assist from the NCAA?
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Nov 27 18:54:08 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 19:54:08 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
References: <1322429672.40983.YahooMailMobile@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <CAAxRJu6s5kt3MecK8qpaF=izaFHJc8jSpv072zvYvvhs0gWeyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0159E9@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

A trip to Detroit would not be such a bad thing.
 
I've ignored some of the digs on Detroit that have popped up over the past couple of weeks on this list.  Just wanted to take a moment to stand up for the D.  
 
Ford Field is one of the best indoor venue's in the country.
 
Good hotels to stay within walking distance of Ford Field.  Lots of young folks living down here now (95% residential occupancy rate) which means lots of cool new shops, bars, and places to eat.  Michael Symon's Roast and 24Grille at the Westin Book-Cadillac  are nationally recognized resturaunts.  Also hot and cold running casinos for the gambling crowd.  
 
We'd likely play Northern Illinois who score A LOT.
 
Jeff
 
   

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Sun 11/27/2011 4:45 PM
To: Jim Leonard
Cc: NU
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls



With some of the teams above them guaranteed to lose next week (conf
championship games), Michigan is in good shape to sneak into top 14, which
any sensical BCS bowl will likely snap up.

This would mean just 1 Big Ten team doesn't get a conf-affiliated spot, and
my money's on Illinois.  That means it depends on how far PSU falls and if
Houston wants them; NU would have a decent shot there if they pass on PSU,
otherwise it looks like a trip to Detroit is in the cards (since I doubt
Dallas wants NU for 2nd straight year).  But, nobody knows for sure until
exactly 1 week from now.

--
Jonathan
On Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM, "Jim Leonard" <jleonard518 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Could NU even consider New Orleans or New Mexico on Dec. 17th? A bid to
> either means having 19 bowl practices in 13 days but it also happens in the
> middle of fall quarter finals.
>
> Jim
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 19:13:40 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 20:13:40 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
In-Reply-To: <20111127230509.01F6465265@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111127230509.01F6465265@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <A4E37AA6-2438-45A5-8743-F29D775AF12A@gmail.com>

Arizona is filled with Rich Rod.  You can also add Tulane to the list.  They fired their coach a few weeks ago and I don't think they've hired a new one yet.
Mark

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Nov 27, 2011, at 6:05 PM, nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:

> I expect there will be more firings yet to come, but I think this 
> is the list so far this season:
> 
> Illinois
> Ohio State (not exactly a 'new' firing, but I doubt interim coach
>  Luke Fickell will get the job full time, unless Urban Meyer turns it down.)
> Penn State (also not news, but possibly the most intriguing vacancy to fill,
>  because of all the unknowns.)
> 
> Three coaching vacancies in the Big Ten in one season is somewhat unusual,
> but the circumstances surrounding two of them are also unusual.
> 
> Arizona
> Memphis
> Akron
> UAB
> New Mexico (already filled with Bob Davie)
> 
> Late addition: Turner Gill has just been fired at Kansas.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 19:37:18 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:37:18 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
In-Reply-To: <540195084-1322439098-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1158497157-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <20111127232537.C750B65261@romaine.tssi.com>
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Message-ID: <CAN7senj7YsPBKZ=AiTp-tYJW07Jz_kT66N2zKe6Xb7NHKkbZAA@mail.gmail.com>

That's not the word here.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:11 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> If Bruins make it to Pasadena ,Neuheisel stays
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:48:32
> To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
>
> All signs are Neuheisel is dead man walking.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:
>
> > RichRod has already been hired to fill the Arizona vacancy.
> >
> > ESPN's blog says that three other Pac 12 coaches could bite the dust
> > soon:
> >
> > Dennis Erickson at Arizona State
> > Rick Neuheisel at UCLA
> > Paul Wulff at Washington State
> >
> > Neuheisel is in an odd position: Win the next game and UCLA is in
> > the Rose Bowl, do you fire a coach who got you to the Rose Bowl, even
> > with a big assist from the NCAA?
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 19:47:45 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:47:45 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
In-Reply-To: <CAN7senj7YsPBKZ=AiTp-tYJW07Jz_kT66N2zKe6Xb7NHKkbZAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20111127232537.C750B65261@romaine.tssi.com>
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Well it will almost assuredly be moot.

  However I stick with my prediction that if he pulls the upset over the Ducks, he will stay

Harry
Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:37:18 
To: <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies

That's not the word here.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:11 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> If Bruins make it to Pasadena ,Neuheisel stays
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:48:32
> To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
>
> All signs are Neuheisel is dead man walking.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:
>
> > RichRod has already been hired to fill the Arizona vacancy.
> >
> > ESPN's blog says that three other Pac 12 coaches could bite the dust
> > soon:
> >
> > Dennis Erickson at Arizona State
> > Rick Neuheisel at UCLA
> > Paul Wulff at Washington State
> >
> > Neuheisel is in an odd position: Win the next game and UCLA is in
> > the Rose Bowl, do you fire a coach who got you to the Rose Bowl, even
> > with a big assist from the NCAA?
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 19:57:59 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:57:59 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
In-Reply-To: <1574047915-1322444866-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-1362936073-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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I predicted that Oregon would be favored by 24 which I wondered if that would be a record for a conference championship game.  I see it has opened at 31

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:47:45 
To: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Reply-To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies

Well it will almost assuredly be moot.

  However I stick with my prediction that if he pulls the upset over the Ducks, he will stay

Harry
Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:37:18 
To: <hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies

That's not the word here.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:11 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> If Bruins make it to Pasadena ,Neuheisel stays
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:48:32
> To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
>
> All signs are Neuheisel is dead man walking.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:
>
> > RichRod has already been hired to fill the Arizona vacancy.
> >
> > ESPN's blog says that three other Pac 12 coaches could bite the dust
> > soon:
> >
> > Dennis Erickson at Arizona State
> > Rick Neuheisel at UCLA
> > Paul Wulff at Washington State
> >
> > Neuheisel is in an odd position: Win the next game and UCLA is in
> > the Rose Bowl, do you fire a coach who got you to the Rose Bowl, even
> > with a big assist from the NCAA?
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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>


From scottzel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 20:22:13 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:22:13 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
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I think that we have an AD and Prez who want us somewhere that alumni want
to go to. With all deference to the quality upgrades they have made in the
Ford Field area, I just don't see the average NU alumnus flying out from a
coast on Xmas day for the Pizza Pizza Bowl.

Detroit is a great destination for Purdue alumni, it is a short drive for
most of them. Purdue will go to Detroit.

I think our school mucky-mucks are working the phones right now. We already
know that the bowl in San Francisco has publicly said they'd like to have a
Big Ten team. As it turns out, we may have more alumni in the Bay Area than
any Big Ten school but Michigan. The Kraft FH on NYE in SF would love to
have us. A few things need to fall the right way, but I think that is where
we end up.

NU will go to a cool destination for its bowl game, because we have shown
our alumni will come and shell out for the experience. New Orleans, New
Mexico and San Francisco all make sense and will have openings. We will go
to one of those spots.




On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> A trip to Detroit would not be such a bad thing.
>
> I've ignored some of the digs on Detroit that have popped up over the past
> couple of weeks on this list.  Just wanted to take a moment to stand up for
> the D.
>
> Ford Field is one of the best indoor venue's in the country.
>
> Good hotels to stay within walking distance of Ford Field.  Lots of young
> folks living down here now (95% residential occupancy rate) which means
> lots of cool new shops, bars, and places to eat.  Michael Symon's Roast and
> 24Grille at the Westin Book-Cadillac  are nationally recognized
> resturaunts.  Also hot and cold running casinos for the gambling crowd.
>
> We'd likely play Northern Illinois who score A LOT.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
> Sent: Sun 11/27/2011 4:45 PM
> To: Jim Leonard
> Cc: NU
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
>
>
>
> With some of the teams above them guaranteed to lose next week (conf
> championship games), Michigan is in good shape to sneak into top 14, which
> any sensical BCS bowl will likely snap up.
>
> This would mean just 1 Big Ten team doesn't get a conf-affiliated spot, and
> my money's on Illinois.  That means it depends on how far PSU falls and if
> Houston wants them; NU would have a decent shot there if they pass on PSU,
> otherwise it looks like a trip to Detroit is in the cards (since I doubt
> Dallas wants NU for 2nd straight year).  But, nobody knows for sure until
> exactly 1 week from now.
>
> --
> Jonathan
> On Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM, "Jim Leonard" <jleonard518 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Could NU even consider New Orleans or New Mexico on Dec. 17th? A bid to
> > either means having 19 bowl practices in 13 days but it also happens in
> the
> > middle of fall quarter finals.
> >
> > Jim
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>
>
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sun Nov 27 20:29:56 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:29:56 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
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The word here is that his fate was all but sealed after the on-field brawl
w Arizona.

Given the many issues in college fb this year, that sort of
discipline-related matter was just too much. Or so it is believed.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2011, at 5:47 PM, "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

Well it will almost assuredly be moot.

However I stick with my prediction that if he pulls the upset over the
Ducks, he will stay

Harry
Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
------------------------------
*From: * Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
*Date: *Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:37:18 -0800
*To: *<hakirsch at aol.com>
*Cc: *<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>;
nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
*Subject: *Re: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies

That's not the word here.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:11 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> If Bruins make it to Pasadena ,Neuheisel stays
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:48:32
> To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
>
> All signs are Neuheisel is dead man walking.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:
>
> > RichRod has already been hired to fill the Arizona vacancy.
> >
> > ESPN's blog says that three other Pac 12 coaches could bite the dust
> > soon:
> >
> > Dennis Erickson at Arizona State
> > Rick Neuheisel at UCLA
> > Paul Wulff at Washington State
> >
> > Neuheisel is in an odd position: Win the next game and UCLA is in
> > the Rose Bowl, do you fire a coach who got you to the Rose Bowl, even
> > with a big assist from the NCAA?
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 20:40:06 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 02:40:06 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
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In the abstract it may be a done deal. However it would be tough to attract a big name if you fire the coach right after he takes you to the Rose Bowl. A prospect would wonder if the standards are too high

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:29:56 
To: hakirsch at aol.com<hakirsch at aol.com>
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies

The word here is that his fate was all but sealed after the on-field brawl
w Arizona.

Given the many issues in college fb this year, that sort of
discipline-related matter was just too much. Or so it is believed.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 27, 2011, at 5:47 PM, "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

Well it will almost assuredly be moot.

However I stick with my prediction that if he pulls the upset over the
Ducks, he will stay

Harry
Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
------------------------------
*From: * Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
*Date: *Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:37:18 -0800
*To: *<hakirsch at aol.com>
*Cc: *<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>;
nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
*Subject: *Re: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies

That's not the word here.

On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:11 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> If Bruins make it to Pasadena ,Neuheisel stays
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 15:48:32
> To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
>
> All signs are Neuheisel is dead man walking.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:
>
> > RichRod has already been hired to fill the Arizona vacancy.
> >
> > ESPN's blog says that three other Pac 12 coaches could bite the dust
> > soon:
> >
> > Dennis Erickson at Arizona State
> > Rick Neuheisel at UCLA
> > Paul Wulff at Washington State
> >
> > Neuheisel is in an odd position: Win the next game and UCLA is in
> > the Rose Bowl, do you fire a coach who got you to the Rose Bowl, even
> > with a big assist from the NCAA?
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>


From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 20:49:38 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:49:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
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The 2 ESPN guys (Schlabach and Edwards) also have us going to Detroit--the drumbeat is getting louder:  

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections

Hopefully, Rick Phillips can pull off one of his miracle finishes and get us to a different bowl, but his credibility took a hit with the "Persa Strong" campaign, followed by Dan P. being out for the first 3 games.  I still believe in him, but I think that it will be an uphill battle.  Interestingly, they have the Zook-less Illini going to the R & L Bowl in N'awlins, and no Big Ten team in San Fran.





-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: NU <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 9:22 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls


I think that we have an AD and Prez who want us somewhere that alumni want
o go to. With all deference to the quality upgrades they have made in the
ord Field area, I just don't see the average NU alumnus flying out from a
oast on Xmas day for the Pizza Pizza Bowl.
Detroit is a great destination for Purdue alumni, it is a short drive for
ost of them. Purdue will go to Detroit.
I think our school mucky-mucks are working the phones right now. We already
now that the bowl in San Francisco has publicly said they'd like to have a
ig Ten team. As it turns out, we may have more alumni in the Bay Area than
ny Big Ten school but Michigan. The Kraft FH on NYE in SF would love to
ave us. A few things need to fall the right way, but I think that is where
e end up.
NU will go to a cool destination for its bowl game, because we have shown
ur alumni will come and shell out for the experience. New Orleans, New
exico and San Francisco all make sense and will have openings. We will go
o one of those spots.


n Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:
> A trip to Detroit would not be such a bad thing.

 I've ignored some of the digs on Detroit that have popped up over the past
 couple of weeks on this list.  Just wanted to take a moment to stand up for
 the D.

 Ford Field is one of the best indoor venue's in the country.

 Good hotels to stay within walking distance of Ford Field.  Lots of young
 folks living down here now (95% residential occupancy rate) which means
 lots of cool new shops, bars, and places to eat.  Michael Symon's Roast and
 24Grille at the Westin Book-Cadillac  are nationally recognized
 resturaunts.  Also hot and cold running casinos for the gambling crowd.

 We'd likely play Northern Illinois who score A LOT.

 Jeff



 ________________________________

 From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
 Sent: Sun 11/27/2011 4:45 PM
 To: Jim Leonard
 Cc: NU
 Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls



 With some of the teams above them guaranteed to lose next week (conf
 championship games), Michigan is in good shape to sneak into top 14, which
 any sensical BCS bowl will likely snap up.

 This would mean just 1 Big Ten team doesn't get a conf-affiliated spot, and
 my money's on Illinois.  That means it depends on how far PSU falls and if
 Houston wants them; NU would have a decent shot there if they pass on PSU,
 otherwise it looks like a trip to Detroit is in the cards (since I doubt
 Dallas wants NU for 2nd straight year).  But, nobody knows for sure until
 exactly 1 week from now.

 --
 Jonathan
 On Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM, "Jim Leonard" <jleonard518 at yahoo.com> wrote:

 > Could NU even consider New Orleans or New Mexico on Dec. 17th? A bid to
 > either means having 19 bowl practices in 13 days but it also happens in
 the
 > middle of fall quarter finals.
 >
 > Jim
 > _______________________________________________
 > nwu-sports site list
 > nwu-sports at tssi.com
 > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
 >
 _______________________________________________
 nwu-sports site list
 nwu-sports at tssi.com
 http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports



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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 20:57:04 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:57:04 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
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Well, the ESPN Big 10 Bloggers have us going back to TicketCity Bowl--this is a surprise: 

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/tag/_/name/bowl-look-112711



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
To: scottzel <scottzel at gmail.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 9:50 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls



he 2 ESPN guys (Schlabach and Edwards) also have us going to Detroit--the 
rumbeat is getting louder:  
http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections
Hopefully, Rick Phillips can pull off one of his miracle finishes and get us to 
 different bowl, but his credibility took a hit with the "Persa Strong" 
ampaign, followed by Dan P. being out for the first 3 games.  I still believe 
n him, but I think that it will be an uphill battle.  Interestingly, they have 
he Zook-less Illini going to the R & L Bowl in N'awlins, and no Big Ten team in 
an Fran.


-----Original Message-----
rom: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
o: NU <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
ent: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 9:22 pm
ubject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls

 think that we have an AD and Prez who want us somewhere that alumni want
 go to. With all deference to the quality upgrades they have made in the
rd Field area, I just don't see the average NU alumnus flying out from a
ast on Xmas day for the Pizza Pizza Bowl.
etroit is a great destination for Purdue alumni, it is a short drive for
st of them. Purdue will go to Detroit.
 think our school mucky-mucks are working the phones right now. We already
ow that the bowl in San Francisco has publicly said they'd like to have a
g Ten team. As it turns out, we may have more alumni in the Bay Area than
y Big Ten school but Michigan. The Kraft FH on NYE in SF would love to
ve us. A few things need to fall the right way, but I think that is where
 end up.
U will go to a cool destination for its bowl game, because we have shown
r alumni will come and shell out for the experience. New Orleans, New
xico and San Francisco all make sense and will have openings. We will go
 one of those spots.

 Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
eff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:
 A trip to Detroit would not be such a bad thing.
 I've ignored some of the digs on Detroit that have popped up over the past
couple of weeks on this list.  Just wanted to take a moment to stand up for
the D.
 Ford Field is one of the best indoor venue's in the country.
 Good hotels to stay within walking distance of Ford Field.  Lots of young
folks living down here now (95% residential occupancy rate) which means
lots of cool new shops, bars, and places to eat.  Michael Symon's Roast and
24Grille at the Westin Book-Cadillac  are nationally recognized
resturaunts.  Also hot and cold running casinos for the gambling crowd.
 We'd likely play Northern Illinois who score A LOT.
 Jeff

 ________________________________
 From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Sun 11/27/2011 4:45 PM
To: Jim Leonard
Cc: NU
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls

 With some of the teams above them guaranteed to lose next week (conf
championship games), Michigan is in good shape to sneak into top 14, which
any sensical BCS bowl will likely snap up.
 This would mean just 1 Big Ten team doesn't get a conf-affiliated spot, and
my money's on Illinois.  That means it depends on how far PSU falls and if
Houston wants them; NU would have a decent shot there if they pass on PSU,
otherwise it looks like a trip to Detroit is in the cards (since I doubt
Dallas wants NU for 2nd straight year).  But, nobody knows for sure until
exactly 1 week from now.
 --
Jonathan
On Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM, "Jim Leonard" <jleonard518 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 > Could NU even consider New Orleans or New Mexico on Dec. 17th? A bid to
> either means having 19 bowl practices in 13 days but it also happens in
the
> middle of fall quarter finals.
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 27 21:07:01 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:07:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
In-Reply-To: <8CE7B908B2B5B07-18D4-724BC@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111128030701.791A06528C@romaine.tssi.com>

> Well, the ESPN Big 10 Bloggers have us going back to TicketCity Bowl--this is a surprise: 
> 
> http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/tag/_/name/bowl-look-112711

ESPN's Big Twelve blogger, David Ubbens, has Iowa State going to the 
TicketCity Bowl. That would make an interesting pairing.
--
Mike Nolan


From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sun Nov 27 21:11:21 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:11:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvhzcXv_MC6k7XwBHarBWEraSNNcJ0z9yBn3iP3xNvAN3g@mail.gmail.com>
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Er....Scott,


   If the Pizza Bowl wants us in Detroit, that's where we'll go.  I was there in 2003 and we had at least 10K there; purple all over the place.  George Perles is still in charge and I'm certain he'll remember we were well attended.  And of course, the Pizza Bowl has a bowl-affiliation with the Big 10.  Wishful thinking says San Fran, but me thinks we'll be in Detroit or Dallas. 
   Whatever the case, I'm sure we'll agree that whoever we play we'll look them in the eye instead of being double-digit underdogs. I believe we'll all like that change...


    GO CATS!!          Eric






-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: NU <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:22 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls


I think that we have an AD and Prez who want us somewhere that alumni want
to go to. With all deference to the quality upgrades they have made in the
Ford Field area, I just don't see the average NU alumnus flying out from a
coast on Xmas day for the Pizza Pizza Bowl.

Detroit is a great destination for Purdue alumni, it is a short drive for
most of them. Purdue will go to Detroit.

I think our school mucky-mucks are working the phones right now. We already
know that the bowl in San Francisco has publicly said they'd like to have a
Big Ten team. As it turns out, we may have more alumni in the Bay Area than
any Big Ten school but Michigan. The Kraft FH on NYE in SF would love to
have us. A few things need to fall the right way, but I think that is where
we end up.

NU will go to a cool destination for its bowl game, because we have shown
our alumni will come and shell out for the experience. New Orleans, New
Mexico and San Francisco all make sense and will have openings. We will go
to one of those spots.




On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> A trip to Detroit would not be such a bad thing.
>
> I've ignored some of the digs on Detroit that have popped up over the past
> couple of weeks on this list.  Just wanted to take a moment to stand up for
> the D.
>
> Ford Field is one of the best indoor venue's in the country.
>
> Good hotels to stay within walking distance of Ford Field.  Lots of young
> folks living down here now (95% residential occupancy rate) which means
> lots of cool new shops, bars, and places to eat.  Michael Symon's Roast and
> 24Grille at the Westin Book-Cadillac  are nationally recognized
> resturaunts.  Also hot and cold running casinos for the gambling crowd.
>
> We'd likely play Northern Illinois who score A LOT.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
> Sent: Sun 11/27/2011 4:45 PM
> To: Jim Leonard
> Cc: NU
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
>
>
>
> With some of the teams above them guaranteed to lose next week (conf
> championship games), Michigan is in good shape to sneak into top 14, which
> any sensical BCS bowl will likely snap up.
>
> This would mean just 1 Big Ten team doesn't get a conf-affiliated spot, and
> my money's on Illinois.  That means it depends on how far PSU falls and if
> Houston wants them; NU would have a decent shot there if they pass on PSU,
> otherwise it looks like a trip to Detroit is in the cards (since I doubt
> Dallas wants NU for 2nd straight year).  But, nobody knows for sure until
> exactly 1 week from now.
>
> --
> Jonathan
> On Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM, "Jim Leonard" <jleonard518 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Could NU even consider New Orleans or New Mexico on Dec. 17th? A bid to
> > either means having 19 bowl practices in 13 days but it also happens in
> the
> > middle of fall quarter finals.
> >
> > Jim
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>
>
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 27 21:33:50 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:33:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
In-Reply-To: <-2539896101670147188@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <20111128033351.335E36528F@romaine.tssi.com>

ESPN's Pac 12 blogger doesn't think that UCLA will apply for an
waiver to play in a bowl game if they lose to Oregon.  That
would leave the Pac 12 two teams short of meeting all its 
bowl committments, assuming they get an at-large BCS slot.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Nov 27 21:41:28 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 21:41:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] VB team didn't make tourney
Message-ID: <20111128034128.EB1DA64E7B@romaine.tssi.com>

As expected, the Cats wins over Nebraska and Minnesota weren't enough to 
earn the women's volleyball team a slot in the NCAA tournament field.

The Big Ten did land 8 teams in the tournament, including the #2, #3, 
#5, #8 and #13 seeds, Nebraska, Illinois, Purdue, Penn State and 
Minnesota, respectively.
--
MIke Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov 28 00:33:36 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:33:36 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
Message-ID: <348431791-1322462019-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-703277079-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Yeah. It makes sense for The Bruins  not to  apply for a waiver assuming  they lose to Oregon

Giving up a low level  bowl game is a small cost  and it allows them  an extra month to get going on  a new direction after the expected sacking of Neuheisal 

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: Alan Abrahamson
Cc: Harry
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Cc: Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching vacancies
Sent: Nov 27, 2011 7:33 PM

ESPN's Pac 12 blogger doesn't think that UCLA will apply for an
waiver to play in a bowl game if they lose to Oregon.  That
would leave the Pac 12 two teams short of meeting all its 
bowl committments, assuming they get an at-large BCS slot.
--
Mike Nolan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 05:40:34 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 06:40:34 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
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San Francisco is a wildcard and would only be available if all B1G slots are filled. With Michigan sitting outside the top 14, it's looking increasingly likely that there will only be one team make a BCS bowl.  If that's the case, would all the B1G bowls be filled without NU? 
Mark

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Nov 27, 2011, at 10:11 PM, Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com> wrote:

> Er....Scott,
> 
> 
>   If the Pizza Bowl wants us in Detroit, that's where we'll go.  I was there in 2003 and we had at least 10K there; purple all over the place.  George Perles is still in charge and I'm certain he'll remember we were well attended.  And of course, the Pizza Bowl has a bowl-affiliation with the Big 10.  Wishful thinking says San Fran, but me thinks we'll be in Detroit or Dallas. 
>   Whatever the case, I'm sure we'll agree that whoever we play we'll look them in the eye instead of being double-digit underdogs. I believe we'll all like that change...
> 
> 
>    GO CATS!!          Eric
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
> To: NU <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:22 pm
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
> 
> 
> I think that we have an AD and Prez who want us somewhere that alumni want
> to go to. With all deference to the quality upgrades they have made in the
> Ford Field area, I just don't see the average NU alumnus flying out from a
> coast on Xmas day for the Pizza Pizza Bowl.
> 
> Detroit is a great destination for Purdue alumni, it is a short drive for
> most of them. Purdue will go to Detroit.
> 
> I think our school mucky-mucks are working the phones right now. We already
> know that the bowl in San Francisco has publicly said they'd like to have a
> Big Ten team. As it turns out, we may have more alumni in the Bay Area than
> any Big Ten school but Michigan. The Kraft FH on NYE in SF would love to
> have us. A few things need to fall the right way, but I think that is where
> we end up.
> 
> NU will go to a cool destination for its bowl game, because we have shown
> our alumni will come and shell out for the experience. New Orleans, New
> Mexico and San Francisco all make sense and will have openings. We will go
> to one of those spots.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
> <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:
> 
>> A trip to Detroit would not be such a bad thing.
>> 
>> I've ignored some of the digs on Detroit that have popped up over the past
>> couple of weeks on this list.  Just wanted to take a moment to stand up for
>> the D.
>> 
>> Ford Field is one of the best indoor venue's in the country.
>> 
>> Good hotels to stay within walking distance of Ford Field.  Lots of young
>> folks living down here now (95% residential occupancy rate) which means
>> lots of cool new shops, bars, and places to eat.  Michael Symon's Roast and
>> 24Grille at the Westin Book-Cadillac  are nationally recognized
>> resturaunts.  Also hot and cold running casinos for the gambling crowd.
>> 
>> We'd likely play Northern Illinois who score A LOT.
>> 
>> Jeff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
>> Sent: Sun 11/27/2011 4:45 PM
>> To: Jim Leonard
>> Cc: NU
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> With some of the teams above them guaranteed to lose next week (conf
>> championship games), Michigan is in good shape to sneak into top 14, which
>> any sensical BCS bowl will likely snap up.
>> 
>> This would mean just 1 Big Ten team doesn't get a conf-affiliated spot, and
>> my money's on Illinois.  That means it depends on how far PSU falls and if
>> Houston wants them; NU would have a decent shot there if they pass on PSU,
>> otherwise it looks like a trip to Detroit is in the cards (since I doubt
>> Dallas wants NU for 2nd straight year).  But, nobody knows for sure until
>> exactly 1 week from now.
>> 
>> --
>> Jonathan
>> On Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM, "Jim Leonard" <jleonard518 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Could NU even consider New Orleans or New Mexico on Dec. 17th? A bid to
>>> either means having 19 bowl practices in 13 days but it also happens in
>> the
>>> middle of fall quarter finals.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 
> 
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From r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 28 08:50:14 2011
From: r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net (Roger Beckwith)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:50:14 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
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On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:40 AM, Mark Ament <sportsbiz at gmail.com> wrote:

> San Francisco is a wildcard and would only be available if all B1G slots are filled. With Michigan sitting outside the top 14, it's looking increasingly likely that there will only be one team make a BCS bowl.  If that's the case, would all the B1G bowls be filled without NU? 
> Mark
> 
> Mark S. Ament
> sportsbiz at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 10:11 PM, Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> Er....Scott,
>> 
>> 
>> If the Pizza Bowl wants us in Detroit, that's where we'll go.  I was there in 2003 and we had at least 10K there; purple all over the place.  George Perles is still in charge and I'm certain he'll remember we were well attended.  And of course, the Pizza Bowl has a bowl-affiliation with the Big 10.  Wishful thinking says San Fran, but me thinks we'll be in Detroit or Dallas. 
>> Whatever the case, I'm sure we'll agree that whoever we play we'll look them in the eye instead of being double-digit underdogs. I believe we'll all like that change...
>> 
>> 
>>  GO CATS!!          Eric
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
>> To: NU <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:22 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
>> 
>> 
>> I think that we have an AD and Prez who want us somewhere that alumni want
>> to go to. With all deference to the quality upgrades they have made in the
>> Ford Field area, I just don't see the average NU alumnus flying out from a
>> coast on Xmas day for the Pizza Pizza Bowl.
>> 
>> Detroit is a great destination for Purdue alumni, it is a short drive for
>> most of them. Purdue will go to Detroit.
>> 
>> I think our school mucky-mucks are working the phones right now. We already
>> know that the bowl in San Francisco has publicly said they'd like to have a
>> Big Ten team. As it turns out, we may have more alumni in the Bay Area than
>> any Big Ten school but Michigan. The Kraft FH on NYE in SF would love to
>> have us. A few things need to fall the right way, but I think that is where
>> we end up.
>> 
>> NU will go to a cool destination for its bowl game, because we have shown
>> our alumni will come and shell out for the experience. New Orleans, New
>> Mexico and San Francisco all make sense and will have openings. We will go
>> to one of those spots.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
>> <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> A trip to Detroit would not be such a bad thing.
>>> 
>>> I've ignored some of the digs on Detroit that have popped up over the past
>>> couple of weeks on this list.  Just wanted to take a moment to stand up for
>>> the D.
>>> 
>>> Ford Field is one of the best indoor venue's in the country.
>>> 
>>> Good hotels to stay within walking distance of Ford Field.  Lots of young
>>> folks living down here now (95% residential occupancy rate) which means
>>> lots of cool new shops, bars, and places to eat.  Michael Symon's Roast and
>>> 24Grille at the Westin Book-Cadillac  are nationally recognized
>>> resturaunts.  Also hot and cold running casinos for the gambling crowd.
>>> 
>>> We'd likely play Northern Illinois who score A LOT.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> 
>>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
>>> Sent: Sun 11/27/2011 4:45 PM
>>> To: Jim Leonard
>>> Cc: NU
>>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> With some of the teams above them guaranteed to lose next week (conf
>>> championship games), Michigan is in good shape to sneak into top 14, which
>>> any sensical BCS bowl will likely snap up.
>>> 
>>> This would mean just 1 Big Ten team doesn't get a conf-affiliated spot, and
>>> my money's on Illinois.  That means it depends on how far PSU falls and if
>>> Houston wants them; NU would have a decent shot there if they pass on PSU,
>>> otherwise it looks like a trip to Detroit is in the cards (since I doubt
>>> Dallas wants NU for 2nd straight year).  But, nobody knows for sure until
>>> exactly 1 week from now.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jonathan
>>> On Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM, "Jim Leonard" <jleonard518 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Could NU even consider New Orleans or New Mexico on Dec. 17th? A bid to
>>>> either means having 19 bowl practices in 13 days but it also happens in
>>> the
>>>> middle of fall quarter finals.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nwu-sports site list
>>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> _______________________________________________
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From r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 28 08:50:14 2011
From: r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net (Roger Beckwith)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:50:14 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
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On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:40 AM, Mark Ament <sportsbiz at gmail.com> wrote:

> San Francisco is a wildcard and would only be available if all B1G slots are filled. With Michigan sitting outside the top 14, it's looking increasingly likely that there will only be one team make a BCS bowl.  If that's the case, would all the B1G bowls be filled without NU? 
> Mark
> 
> Mark S. Ament
> sportsbiz at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 10:11 PM, Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> Er....Scott,
>> 
>> 
>> If the Pizza Bowl wants us in Detroit, that's where we'll go.  I was there in 2003 and we had at least 10K there; purple all over the place.  George Perles is still in charge and I'm certain he'll remember we were well attended.  And of course, the Pizza Bowl has a bowl-affiliation with the Big 10.  Wishful thinking says San Fran, but me thinks we'll be in Detroit or Dallas. 
>> Whatever the case, I'm sure we'll agree that whoever we play we'll look them in the eye instead of being double-digit underdogs. I believe we'll all like that change...
>> 
>> 
>>  GO CATS!!          Eric
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
>> To: NU <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:22 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
>> 
>> 
>> I think that we have an AD and Prez who want us somewhere that alumni want
>> to go to. With all deference to the quality upgrades they have made in the
>> Ford Field area, I just don't see the average NU alumnus flying out from a
>> coast on Xmas day for the Pizza Pizza Bowl.
>> 
>> Detroit is a great destination for Purdue alumni, it is a short drive for
>> most of them. Purdue will go to Detroit.
>> 
>> I think our school mucky-mucks are working the phones right now. We already
>> know that the bowl in San Francisco has publicly said they'd like to have a
>> Big Ten team. As it turns out, we may have more alumni in the Bay Area than
>> any Big Ten school but Michigan. The Kraft FH on NYE in SF would love to
>> have us. A few things need to fall the right way, but I think that is where
>> we end up.
>> 
>> NU will go to a cool destination for its bowl game, because we have shown
>> our alumni will come and shell out for the experience. New Orleans, New
>> Mexico and San Francisco all make sense and will have openings. We will go
>> to one of those spots.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
>> <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> A trip to Detroit would not be such a bad thing.
>>> 
>>> I've ignored some of the digs on Detroit that have popped up over the past
>>> couple of weeks on this list.  Just wanted to take a moment to stand up for
>>> the D.
>>> 
>>> Ford Field is one of the best indoor venue's in the country.
>>> 
>>> Good hotels to stay within walking distance of Ford Field.  Lots of young
>>> folks living down here now (95% residential occupancy rate) which means
>>> lots of cool new shops, bars, and places to eat.  Michael Symon's Roast and
>>> 24Grille at the Westin Book-Cadillac  are nationally recognized
>>> resturaunts.  Also hot and cold running casinos for the gambling crowd.
>>> 
>>> We'd likely play Northern Illinois who score A LOT.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> 
>>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
>>> Sent: Sun 11/27/2011 4:45 PM
>>> To: Jim Leonard
>>> Cc: NU
>>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> With some of the teams above them guaranteed to lose next week (conf
>>> championship games), Michigan is in good shape to sneak into top 14, which
>>> any sensical BCS bowl will likely snap up.
>>> 
>>> This would mean just 1 Big Ten team doesn't get a conf-affiliated spot, and
>>> my money's on Illinois.  That means it depends on how far PSU falls and if
>>> Houston wants them; NU would have a decent shot there if they pass on PSU,
>>> otherwise it looks like a trip to Detroit is in the cards (since I doubt
>>> Dallas wants NU for 2nd straight year).  But, nobody knows for sure until
>>> exactly 1 week from now.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jonathan
>>> On Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM, "Jim Leonard" <jleonard518 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Could NU even consider New Orleans or New Mexico on Dec. 17th? A bid to
>>>> either means having 19 bowl practices in 13 days but it also happens in
>>> the
>>>> middle of fall quarter finals.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nwu-sports site list
>>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
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>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
>> 
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From r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 28 08:57:59 2011
From: r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net (Roger Beckwith)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 08:57:59 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
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Oops on the earlier email. 
There is an interesting piece on the Lake the Posts site about bowl selection. It is written by an NU guy and former bowl selection committee person (Green Jacket). Good comments on what the committees want, why they select a particular team and his own thought on where we end up - Ticket City. He stays around to answer a number of questions. 
www.laketheposts.com

Roger

On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:40 AM, Mark Ament <sportsbiz at gmail.com> wrote:

> San Francisco is a wildcard and would only be available if all B1G slots are filled. With Michigan sitting outside the top 14, it's looking increasingly likely that there will only be one team make a BCS bowl.  If that's the case, would all the B1G bowls be filled without NU? 
> Mark
> 
> Mark S. Ament
> sportsbiz at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 10:11 PM, Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>> Er....Scott,
>> 
>> 
>>  If the Pizza Bowl wants us in Detroit, that's where we'll go.  I was there in 2003 and we had at least 10K there; purple all over the place.  George Perles is still in charge and I'm certain he'll remember we were well attended.  And of course, the Pizza Bowl has a bowl-affiliation with the Big 10.  Wishful thinking says San Fran, but me thinks we'll be in Detroit or Dallas. 
>>  Whatever the case, I'm sure we'll agree that whoever we play we'll look them in the eye instead of being double-digit underdogs. I believe we'll all like that change...
>> 
>> 
>>   GO CATS!!          Eric
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>
>> To: NU <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Sent: Sun, Nov 27, 2011 4:22 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
>> 
>> 
>> I think that we have an AD and Prez who want us somewhere that alumni want
>> to go to. With all deference to the quality upgrades they have made in the
>> Ford Field area, I just don't see the average NU alumnus flying out from a
>> coast on Xmas day for the Pizza Pizza Bowl.
>> 
>> Detroit is a great destination for Purdue alumni, it is a short drive for
>> most of them. Purdue will go to Detroit.
>> 
>> I think our school mucky-mucks are working the phones right now. We already
>> know that the bowl in San Francisco has publicly said they'd like to have a
>> Big Ten team. As it turns out, we may have more alumni in the Bay Area than
>> any Big Ten school but Michigan. The Kraft FH on NYE in SF would love to
>> have us. A few things need to fall the right way, but I think that is where
>> we end up.
>> 
>> NU will go to a cool destination for its bowl game, because we have shown
>> our alumni will come and shell out for the experience. New Orleans, New
>> Mexico and San Francisco all make sense and will have openings. We will go
>> to one of those spots.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:54 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
>> <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:
>> 
>>> A trip to Detroit would not be such a bad thing.
>>> 
>>> I've ignored some of the digs on Detroit that have popped up over the past
>>> couple of weeks on this list.  Just wanted to take a moment to stand up for
>>> the D.
>>> 
>>> Ford Field is one of the best indoor venue's in the country.
>>> 
>>> Good hotels to stay within walking distance of Ford Field.  Lots of young
>>> folks living down here now (95% residential occupancy rate) which means
>>> lots of cool new shops, bars, and places to eat.  Michael Symon's Roast and
>>> 24Grille at the Westin Book-Cadillac  are nationally recognized
>>> resturaunts.  Also hot and cold running casinos for the gambling crowd.
>>> 
>>> We'd likely play Northern Illinois who score A LOT.
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> 
>>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Jonathan Hodges
>>> Sent: Sun 11/27/2011 4:45 PM
>>> To: Jim Leonard
>>> Cc: NU
>>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Polls and Bowls
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> With some of the teams above them guaranteed to lose next week (conf
>>> championship games), Michigan is in good shape to sneak into top 14, which
>>> any sensical BCS bowl will likely snap up.
>>> 
>>> This would mean just 1 Big Ten team doesn't get a conf-affiliated spot, and
>>> my money's on Illinois.  That means it depends on how far PSU falls and if
>>> Houston wants them; NU would have a decent shot there if they pass on PSU,
>>> otherwise it looks like a trip to Detroit is in the cards (since I doubt
>>> Dallas wants NU for 2nd straight year).  But, nobody knows for sure until
>>> exactly 1 week from now.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jonathan
>>> On Nov 27, 2011 4:35 PM, "Jim Leonard" <jleonard518 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Could NU even consider New Orleans or New Mexico on Dec. 17th? A bid to
>>>> either means having 19 bowl practices in 13 days but it also happens in
>>> the
>>>> middle of fall quarter finals.
>>>> 
>>>> Jim
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 09:09:03 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:09:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaches poll is biased--WSJ
Message-ID: <20111128150903.A760165245@romaine.tssi.com>

There's an interesting article in the 'Real Time Economics' blog on
the Wall Street Journal site today, citing a study that uses econometrics 
to show that the coaches in the USAT poll tend to vote their own schools, 
schools in their conference, and schools that they played higher than
other coaches do.  

This confirms what many of us have long suspected.  Grant Teaff, 
director of the AFCA, declined to comment for the article, but it
may provide impetus for disclosing the votest of the coaches all
year long, not just at the end of the season.  

It would be interesting to apply the same analysis to the writers in 
the AP poll.  I have had my suspicions for some time now that at least 
one of the individual in Nebraska who has a ballot from time to time 
(several local sportswriters trade turns) may do the exact opposite, 
downcheck 'local' schools to show that he isn't playing favorites with 
the teams he knows best.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 28 10:09:27 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:09:27 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] The NFF will honor another NU "Alum" this year
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2011 NFF Major Award Winners: Robert M. Gates, the Gold Medal; Archie Roberts,
Distinguished American Award; Verne Lundquist and Brent Musburger, co-recipients of the
Outstanding Contribution to Amateur Football Award; Ted Ruta, Outstanding Football
Official Award; and Woody Durham, Chris Schenkel Award.

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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 28 11:01:35 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 09:01:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Detroit
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Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
?
As someone who said "no bowl this year" during the 5-game slide I will be thrilled with a bid to any post-season game. 
?
The extra 19 practices and a winnable match up are far more important to me than location. 
?
I don't see a return trip to the TicketCity Bowl. They won't want a repeat visitor. I guess the only way we move up would be if UofM gets into a BCS game, correct? I expect both MSU and Georgia to lose this Saturday and therefore get Michigan into the BCS top 14, so that could happen. 
?
Victory & Honor,
Jim
?
PS - Does anyone else think it's funny that Urban Meyer's initials are UM?

From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 11:21:45 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:21:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Detroit
In-Reply-To: <1322499695.95064.YahooMailNeo@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111128172145.6378B65296@romaine.tssi.com>

> I don't see a return trip to the TicketCity Bowl. They won't want a repeat 
> visitor. I guess the only way we move up would be if UofM gets into a BCS 
> game, correct? I expect both MSU and Georgia to lose this Saturday and 
> therefore get Michigan into the BCS top 14, so that could happen. 

As I understand it, once they get beyond the 4th pick the bowls can
pick ANY bowl-eligible team from the list, so they could pick any
of the 6-6 teams over a 7-5 team.

Enough of the bowl predictions have suggested that TicketCity might
repeat with Northwestern to suggest that the bowl officials haven't 
disabused anyone of that possibility.  

That having been said, I think there is a lot of behind-the-scenes
negotiation between the conferences and the bowls to encourage certain 
teams be selected for certain bowls.

Many Husker fans believe that the Big XII office encouraged one or more
bowls to pass on Nebraska last year, setting up that godawful rematch
with Washington.  It will be interesting to see if Missouri or Texas
A&M get similarly shafted this year.  At least the Big Ten has a policy
limiting how far the losing team in the championship game can fall.  
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 13:02:06 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:02:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
Message-ID: <20111128190207.0170464C0B@romaine.tssi.com>

Looks like Erickson is out at Arizona State, just details to clean up
as to whether he retires or is fired.  (Might affect how much he gets
paid and when.)

Wulff is still 'in talks' with his AD at Wazoo.  At least one source
is reporting that Neuheisel has already been told he will be out
after the Oregon game.  

And, what a shock, Urban Meyer should be announced as the new coach
at Ohio State in the next day or two.

If Turner Gill only got two years at Kansas, how much time will they
give Kevin Wilson at Indiana?  But at least they were competitive in 
the majority of their games this season, unlike Kansas.  
--
Mike Nolan


From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 13:04:23 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:04:23 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
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Don't be surprised if Neuheisel is out at UCLA before the day is over.

On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> Looks like Erickson is out at Arizona State, just details to clean up
> as to whether he retires or is fired.  (Might affect how much he gets
> paid and when.)
>
> Wulff is still 'in talks' with his AD at Wazoo.  At least one source
> is reporting that Neuheisel has already been told he will be out
> after the Oregon game.
>
> And, what a shock, Urban Meyer should be announced as the new coach
> at Ohio State in the next day or two.
>
> If Turner Gill only got two years at Kansas, how much time will they
> give Kevin Wilson at Indiana?  But at least they were competitive in
> the majority of their games this season, unlike Kansas.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 13:39:10 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:39:10 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
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> Don't be surprised if Neuheisel is out at UCLA before the day is over.

Yup,  ESPN is now reporting that the announcement will be made at 5:30 PM ET,
though they don't say whether or not UCLA will ask for a waiver on bowl
eligibility.
--
Mike Nolan


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Mon Nov 28 13:51:45 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:51:45 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Detroit
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Here are the only constraints for Big Ten affiliated bowls (otherwise they
have the pick of any bowl eligible Big Ten team, of which there are 10 this
year):

1. Rose Bowl: winner of the Big Ten championship game

2. Capital One Bowl: can only pick available team with most overall wins or
teams within 1 win (e.g. cannot pick 7-5 team over a 9-3 team, but could
pick an 8-4 team over a 9-3 team).

3. Outback Bowl: same restriction as Capital One EXCEPT if the Big Ten has
one of its teams as an at-large BCS selection, then, no restrictions.

4. Insight Bowl: must pick loser of championship game if not already
selected.

5. Gator Bowl: none.

6. Meineke Car Care Bowl (Houston): none.

7. TicketCity Bowl (Dallas): none.

8. Little Caesars Pizza Bowl (Detroit): none.


As many others have mentioned, Michigan is very much in line for a BCS
at-large spot (likely in the Sugar Bowl), but they still must finish in the
top 14 of the BCS standings (they are currently 16th).  This is likely (7
projections I've seen have them in the Sugar) since the Wisc (15th)/MSU
(13th) loser will fall below them, and Georgia (14th) would fall with a
loss to LSU.  Also, Oklahoma (10th) may fall below them with a loss to
Oklahoma St.  They must also avoid being jumped by Baylor (17th) who plays
Texas (22nd).  All in all, I agree that they'll get just enough help to get
to at least 14th.


If that happens, a lot depends on how far PSU falls.  The consensus seems
to be that they won't fall further than Houston (who wouldn't have a chance
to grab PSU during "typical" seasons).  I could have seen NU having an
argument here if they had won vs MSU, but I think the chances are extremely
low now.

That would leave NU, Purdue, and Illinois for the final 2 slots.  IMHO, I
don't see Dallas going for NU for the 2nd straight year since we didn't
exactly sell the place out last year, BUT LakeThePosts has a very good post
as to why NU should be selected to go there, it's worth a look:
http://www.laketheposts.com/index.php/2011/11/green-jacket-bowl-picture-112711/

According to the 7 bowl projections I've referenced earlier, 5 have Purdue
going to TicketCity and 2 have NU going there (with the other going to
Detroit in all situations & Illinois left for an at-large bid).

Detroit will almost definitely grab whichever team Dallas doesn't between
NU and Purdue (coincidentally, the only 2 teams the Big Ten has ever sent
to Detroit).  The reason is that Illinois is extremely undesirable at this
point (losers of 6 straight - only team in FBS history to win 6 in a row
only to then lose 6, coach already fired).  The bowls only think about
themselves: why would they want to negotiate with other bowls or teams when
they can just grab the most desirable school left on the slate.  In fact,
Detroit is very happy any time the Big Ten has enough eligible teams to
fill its slot, otherwise they have had to resort to selection from the
likes of the Sun Belt (who have far fewer fans and are also far less likely
to travel far north for a bowl).

Some have insinuated that NU should reject a bid from Detroit in order to
shop itself to at-large bowls.  This will not happen.  The bowl has an
agreement with the conference, and I'm not sure NU would even be allowed to
reject a bid.  Plus, it would certainly look bad going forward if NU had
rejected a bid in order to find a better destination for itself - what bowl
would want to take NU later as it may turn around and do the same thing to
it.  Yes, there are back room dealings but I don't believe it ever involves
rejecting a bid from a bowl affiliated with one's conference.


I suppose the best case for an at-large would be if Michigan does not get
into a BCS game (which would all 3 of the following to happen: Georgia
beats LSU, Oklahoma beats Oklahoma St., Baylor beats Texas & jumps
Michigan) and Detroit picks Purdue.  Read the LTP article for potential
at-large destinations (seems like San Francisco may be the most likely).
IF this happens (big IF), NU would be poised well to negotiate the best
spot possible, as other available teams would include Illinois (see earlier
notes; they should be somewhat worried about not getting a bid or going to
a bad at-large spot), and a few MAC & Sun Belt teams - also undesirable.

We'll clearly know a lot more come next Sunday afternoon.

Jonathan

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On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > I don't see a return trip to the TicketCity Bowl. They won't want a
> repeat
> > visitor. I guess the only way we move up would be if UofM gets into a BCS
> > game, correct? I expect both MSU and Georgia to lose this Saturday and
> > therefore get Michigan into the BCS top 14, so that could happen.
>
> As I understand it, once they get beyond the 4th pick the bowls can
> pick ANY bowl-eligible team from the list, so they could pick any
> of the 6-6 teams over a 7-5 team.
>
> Enough of the bowl predictions have suggested that TicketCity might
> repeat with Northwestern to suggest that the bowl officials haven't
> disabused anyone of that possibility.
>
> That having been said, I think there is a lot of behind-the-scenes
> negotiation between the conferences and the bowls to encourage certain
> teams be selected for certain bowls.
>
> Many Husker fans believe that the Big XII office encouraged one or more
> bowls to pass on Nebraska last year, setting up that godawful rematch
> with Washington.  It will be interesting to see if Missouri or Texas
> A&M get similarly shafted this year.  At least the Big Ten has a policy
> limiting how far the losing team in the championship game can fall.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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>

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 28 13:52:39 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:52:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <20111128193910.6EB766501A@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <CAN7senhrUotO4SViqnrhKFv5gSTNethjp63L08d1Q_NH6Ja0Dw@mail.gmail.com>
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>though they don't say whether or not UCLA will ask for a waiver on bowl
>eligibility.


Imagine the waiver request they'd have to write:

"Yes, our coach sucks and we're firing him, and we're pretty sure we're about to get waxed in a conference title game that we really shouldn't?be participating in to begin with, but please give us a waiver so that we can go to a bowl game with our fabulous new coach (TBD). Whoever he is, we're sure our new coach will be better than the guy we're firing now, who had 3 whole years to prove himself, or the guy we fired before that, who only led us to one 10 win season, and the guy we fired before that, who only won 2 Pac 10 championships".?

(thanks to Wikipedia for loads of useful background on UCLA football, but "boo" to Wikipedia for reminding me of the 2005 Sun Bowl. Argh.)

Tom



From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 14:06:59 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:06:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <1322509959.20886.YahooMailNeo@web161008.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111128200659.6C15764C19@romaine.tssi.com>

Hey, UCLA has one of the best film departments around, surely they can 
find writers capable of achieving 'suspension of disbelief' on 
the waiver application!
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 28 14:18:30 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:18:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <20111128190207.0170464C0B@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111128190207.0170464C0B@romaine.tssi.com>
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The ESPN Crawl says that Meyer is the next coach at dOSU>

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:02 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel

Looks like Erickson is out at Arizona State, just details to clean up
as to whether he retires or is fired.  (Might affect how much he gets
paid and when.)

Wulff is still 'in talks' with his AD at Wazoo.  At least one source
is reporting that Neuheisel has already been told he will be out
after the Oregon game.  

And, what a shock, Urban Meyer should be announced as the new coach
at Ohio State in the next day or two.

If Turner Gill only got two years at Kansas, how much time will they
give Kevin Wilson at Indiana?  But at least they were competitive in 
the majority of their games this season, unlike Kansas.  
--
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 14:21:44 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:21:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <000c01ccae0a$e5d7c190$b18744b0$@com>
Message-ID: <20111128202144.90AC665227@romaine.tssi.com>

> The ESPN Crawl says that Meyer is the next coach at dOSU>

Oh woe is us (the rest of the Big Ten)!

Do we start the clock on future NCAA violations now or in January?
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov 28 14:22:31 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:22:31 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <20111128193910.6EB766501A@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <CAN7senhrUotO4SViqnrhKFv5gSTNethjp63L08d1Q_NH6Ja0Dw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC067075@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Those of you who have been on this list for a while hopefully remember
the vigorous debates around Barnett when he was job shopping and Randy
Walker after the Wheeler tragedy when the program stalled.  There was
all sorts of speculation about the impact that coaching had on a
program.

Now looking at the storm of coaching changes and program disruptions
caused by scandal as well as NCAA infractions - it feels sort of like we
are in the calm center.  I'm sure our recruiters will take advantage of
that "calm".

We now have a coach who appears to have no interest in any other job.

We have an administration who appear to understand the value that this
coach and this program bring to the institution AND appear willing to
back that up with money.

We have a program that won't take just anyone, but graduates everyone.
As a result, year after year, we have a team made up of special kids.
Kids with character.  Kids who, when you hear their stories, make you
almost as proud as their parents must be.  Kids who always seem to find
a way every year to come together as a team and prove that good teams
can beat better athletes.

We now have kids, like Kurt Cousins, who are growing up NU fans because
they've only known winning teams.

I never really understood the reverence that PSU alums and students gave
to JoePa.  As a result, it is hard to really understand the sense of
loss that they must currently feel.

I think this season, though, I'm starting to get a glimpse of what Fitz
can mean to this program and this University.  Among other things, it
means every year that other programs fall be the wayside because of
scandal or failure - ours gets a little better.  It means that parents
will be able to use the prospect of playing for NU (rather than Ill or
ND) to motivate their football kids to study as well as practice.

It means a program we alums can be proud of every year, even those we go
6-6.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:39 PM
To: Alan Abrahamson
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel

> Don't be surprised if Neuheisel is out at UCLA before the day is over.

Yup,  ESPN is now reporting that the announcement will be made at 5:30
PM ET,
though they don't say whether or not UCLA will ask for a waiver on bowl
eligibility.
--
Mike Nolan

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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 28 14:30:12 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:30:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <20111128202144.90AC665227@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <000c01ccae0a$e5d7c190$b18744b0$@com>
 <20111128202144.90AC665227@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1322512212.74612.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I believe this is the second day in football history when Zook has lost a job and Meyer has accepted one. 

I'm guess Gill didn't click with administrators and/or alumni at Kansas. No one can expect a turnaround in two seasons. 
?
Jim
? 

________________________________
 From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com> 
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
 
> The ESPN Crawl says that Meyer is the next coach at dOSU>

Oh woe is us (the rest of the Big Ten)!

Do we start the clock on future NCAA violations now or in January?
--
Mike Nolan

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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 28 14:35:46 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:35:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] bad bowl pairing
Message-ID: <1322512546.85013.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The Chicago Tribune is currently projecting:
?
Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas, Dec. 31: Penn 
State vs. Texas A&M.
?
Check me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Sandusky's final game with PSU against the Aggies? Meineke executives are insane to allow that storyline to affect their bowl.
?
Jim

From ddave at nusports.com  Mon Nov 28 14:52:37 2011
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 12:52:37 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
Message-ID: <20111128125237.BA4540D8@m0005298.ppops.net>

Jeff,
Your comments (with which I agree) echo a very similar sentiment expressed collectively at the NGN luncheon the day before this year's homecoming game by Morty Shapiro, Fitz and even guest Michael Wilbon..essentially, we will play and win "the Northwestern way".

The Penn State debacle came out a week or so later.



dave bradley
(717) 687-5355-home
(717) 572-2038-cell
ddave at NUsports.com



--- Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com wrote:

From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
To: "Mike Nolan" <nolan at tssi.com>, "Alan Abrahamson" <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:22:31 -0500

Those of you who have been on this list for a while hopefully remember
the vigorous debates around Barnett when he was job shopping and Randy
Walker after the Wheeler tragedy when the program stalled.  There was
all sorts of speculation about the impact that coaching had on a
program.

Now looking at the storm of coaching changes and program disruptions
caused by scandal as well as NCAA infractions - it feels sort of like we
are in the calm center.  I'm sure our recruiters will take advantage of
that "calm".

We now have a coach who appears to have no interest in any other job.

We have an administration who appear to understand the value that this
coach and this program bring to the institution AND appear willing to
back that up with money.

We have a program that won't take just anyone, but graduates everyone.
As a result, year after year, we have a team made up of special kids.
Kids with character.  Kids who, when you hear their stories, make you
almost as proud as their parents must be.  Kids who always seem to find
a way every year to come together as a team and prove that good teams
can beat better athletes.

We now have kids, like Kurt Cousins, who are growing up NU fans because
they've only known winning teams.

I never really understood the reverence that PSU alums and students gave
to JoePa.  As a result, it is hard to really understand the sense of
loss that they must currently feel.

I think this season, though, I'm starting to get a glimpse of what Fitz
can mean to this program and this University.  Among other things, it
means every year that other programs fall be the wayside because of
scandal or failure - ours gets a little better.  It means that parents
will be able to use the prospect of playing for NU (rather than Ill or
ND) to motivate their football kids to study as well as practice.

It means a program we alums can be proud of every year, even those we go
6-6.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:39 PM
To: Alan Abrahamson
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel

> Don't be surprised if Neuheisel is out at UCLA before the day is over.

Yup,  ESPN is now reporting that the announcement will be made at 5:30
PM ET,
though they don't say whether or not UCLA will ask for a waiver on bowl
eligibility.
--
Mike Nolan

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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 15:19:49 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:19:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <1322512212.74612.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111128211949.39D986524F@romaine.tssi.com>

> I'm guess Gill didn't click with administrators and/or alumni at Kansas. 
> No one can expect a turnaround in two seasons. 

Tell that to Kevin Wilson next season.

There were some other factors not in Gill's favor.  The AD who hired
him is no longer there, and it's easier to give the guy you hired
a little more time than the guy someone else hired.-

And there were some who thought Gill was too nice, forbidding staff
to curse, etc.  It's a football program, not a FCA revival meeting.

Some of the player comments yesterday were telling, with players
admitting that they didn't try as hard for Gill as they did for
Mangino, because Turner didn't push them enough.

That's why I'm so thankful we have Fitz.  The players respect him,
understand his passion.  They work extra hard because they know he 
would have (and did!), and they know he has their back both on the 
field and off.  That makes him the last person on the planet they 
want to disappoint.

If Dan Persa can't make it in the NFL (I doubt he'll even be drafted), 
I'd love to see him on the Northwestern staff in the future.  
Same passion!
--
Mike Nolan


From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 15:27:37 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:27:37 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <20111128211949.39D986524F@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1322512212.74612.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <20111128211949.39D986524F@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <CAN7sengUy14OkeO9=HrBjQ5Zc+Z+tvcKdDQMWbcss7rKG3Z38Q@mail.gmail.com>

Jim Harbaugh has, for better or worse, completely changed the culture of
football. Now administrators expect a turnaround in one or two seasons. If
it can be done at Stanford, they ask, why can't it be done at x (name my
school) -- which, by the way, is a reasonable question.


On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > I'm guess Gill didn't click with administrators and/or alumni at Kansas.
> > No one can expect a turnaround in two seasons.
>
> Tell that to Kevin Wilson next season.
>
> There were some other factors not in Gill's favor.  The AD who hired
> him is no longer there, and it's easier to give the guy you hired
> a little more time than the guy someone else hired.-
>
> And there were some who thought Gill was too nice, forbidding staff
> to curse, etc.  It's a football program, not a FCA revival meeting.
>
> Some of the player comments yesterday were telling, with players
> admitting that they didn't try as hard for Gill as they did for
> Mangino, because Turner didn't push them enough.
>
> That's why I'm so thankful we have Fitz.  The players respect him,
> understand his passion.  They work extra hard because they know he
> would have (and did!), and they know he has their back both on the
> field and off.  That makes him the last person on the planet they
> want to disappoint.
>
> If Dan Persa can't make it in the NFL (I doubt he'll even be drafted),
> I'd love to see him on the Northwestern staff in the future.
> Same passion!
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 15:45:46 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:45:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC067075@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <20111128214546.440EB64C79@romaine.tssi.com>

> I never really understood the reverence that PSU alums and students gave
> to JoePa.  As a result, it is hard to really understand the sense of
> loss that they must currently feel.

I do understand it, because I saw similar degrees of reverence at Nebraska 
for both Devaney (still fondly called the Bobfather) and Osborne.  

That exacerbates the degree of loss as to the means and suddenness
of Paterno's fall, the extent to which his reputation was shattered
forever.  Will it ever be possible for anyone to mention JoePa without
everyone thinking about what Sandusky is charged with having done?  

One commentator called it the worst scandal in the history of sports.
It's hard to find an adequate parallel.  Woody Hayes?  Shoeless Joe 
Jackson?  Both of them did themselves in by acts of commission, not 
acts of omission.  
--
Mike Nolan


From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 28 15:53:37 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:53:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Detroit
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu5OqJ6ENHwNA6SK-RSR3gVQP3vZLK1k5ik7JGgKxx==5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1322499695.95064.YahooMailNeo@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1322517217.24042.YahooMailRC@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

It seems that every year, we're in the position of worrying about going to 
Detroit.? I think that the Big Ten just renewed the contract with them in the 
past year or two, but it does expire after 2013, so, at worst, we'll only have 
to worry twice more!





________________________________
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
To: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, November 28, 2011 1:51:45 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Detroit

Here are the only constraints for Big Ten affiliated bowls (otherwise they
have the pick of any bowl eligible Big Ten team, of which there are 10 this
year):

1. Rose Bowl: winner of the Big Ten championship game

2. Capital One Bowl: can only pick available team with most overall wins or
teams within 1 win (e.g. cannot pick 7-5 team over a 9-3 team, but could
pick an 8-4 team over a 9-3 team).

3. Outback Bowl: same restriction as Capital One EXCEPT if the Big Ten has
one of its teams as an at-large BCS selection, then, no restrictions.

4. Insight Bowl: must pick loser of championship game if not already
selected.

5. Gator Bowl: none.

6. Meineke Car Care Bowl (Houston): none.

7. TicketCity Bowl (Dallas): none.

8. Little Caesars Pizza Bowl (Detroit): none.


As many others have mentioned, Michigan is very much in line for a BCS
at-large spot (likely in the Sugar Bowl), but they still must finish in the
top 14 of the BCS standings (they are currently 16th).? This is likely (7
projections I've seen have them in the Sugar) since the Wisc (15th)/MSU
(13th) loser will fall below them, and Georgia (14th) would fall with a
loss to LSU.? Also, Oklahoma (10th) may fall below them with a loss to
Oklahoma St.? They must also avoid being jumped by Baylor (17th) who plays
Texas (22nd).? All in all, I agree that they'll get just enough help to get
to at least 14th.


If that happens, a lot depends on how far PSU falls.? The consensus seems
to be that they won't fall further than Houston (who wouldn't have a chance
to grab PSU during "typical" seasons).? I could have seen NU having an
argument here if they had won vs MSU, but I think the chances are extremely
low now.

That would leave NU, Purdue, and Illinois for the final 2 slots.? IMHO, I
don't see Dallas going for NU for the 2nd straight year since we didn't
exactly sell the place out last year, BUT LakeThePosts has a very good post
as to why NU should be selected to go there, it's worth a look:
http://www.laketheposts.com/index.php/2011/11/green-jacket-bowl-picture-112711/

According to the 7 bowl projections I've referenced earlier, 5 have Purdue
going to TicketCity and 2 have NU going there (with the other going to
Detroit in all situations & Illinois left for an at-large bid).

Detroit will almost definitely grab whichever team Dallas doesn't between
NU and Purdue (coincidentally, the only 2 teams the Big Ten has ever sent
to Detroit).? The reason is that Illinois is extremely undesirable at this
point (losers of 6 straight - only team in FBS history to win 6 in a row
only to then lose 6, coach already fired).? The bowls only think about
themselves: why would they want to negotiate with other bowls or teams when
they can just grab the most desirable school left on the slate.? In fact,
Detroit is very happy any time the Big Ten has enough eligible teams to
fill its slot, otherwise they have had to resort to selection from the
likes of the Sun Belt (who have far fewer fans and are also far less likely
to travel far north for a bowl).

Some have insinuated that NU should reject a bid from Detroit in order to
shop itself to at-large bowls.? This will not happen.? The bowl has an
agreement with the conference, and I'm not sure NU would even be allowed to
reject a bid.? Plus, it would certainly look bad going forward if NU had
rejected a bid in order to find a better destination for itself - what bowl
would want to take NU later as it may turn around and do the same thing to
it.? Yes, there are back room dealings but I don't believe it ever involves
rejecting a bid from a bowl affiliated with one's conference.


I suppose the best case for an at-large would be if Michigan does not get
into a BCS game (which would all 3 of the following to happen: Georgia
beats LSU, Oklahoma beats Oklahoma St., Baylor beats Texas & jumps
Michigan) and Detroit picks Purdue.? Read the LTP article for potential
at-large destinations (seems like San Francisco may be the most likely).
IF this happens (big IF), NU would be poised well to negotiate the best
spot possible, as other available teams would include Illinois (see earlier
notes; they should be somewhat worried about not getting a bid or going to
a bad at-large spot), and a few MAC & Sun Belt teams - also undesirable.

We'll clearly know a lot more come next Sunday afternoon.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > I don't see a return trip to the TicketCity Bowl. They won't want a
> repeat
> > visitor. I guess the only way we move up would be if UofM gets into a BCS
> > game, correct? I expect both MSU and Georgia to lose this Saturday and
> > therefore get Michigan into the BCS top 14, so that could happen.
>
> As I understand it, once they get beyond the 4th pick the bowls can
> pick ANY bowl-eligible team from the list, so they could pick any
> of the 6-6 teams over a 7-5 team.
>
> Enough of the bowl predictions have suggested that TicketCity might
> repeat with Northwestern to suggest that the bowl officials haven't
> disabused anyone of that possibility.
>
> That having been said, I think there is a lot of behind-the-scenes
> negotiation between the conferences and the bowls to encourage certain
> teams be selected for certain bowls.
>
> Many Husker fans believe that the Big XII office encouraged one or more
> bowls to pass on Nebraska last year, setting up that godawful rematch
> with Washington.? It will be interesting to see if Missouri or Texas
> A&M get similarly shafted this year.? At least the Big Ten has a policy
> limiting how far the losing team in the championship game can fall.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov 28 15:58:45 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 13:58:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <20111128202144.90AC665227@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111128202144.90AC665227@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1322517525.37123.YahooMailRC@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

No doubt, Buckeye Nation will have sky high expectations of a Big Ten title, win 
over Michigan, and a Rose Bowl victory (at least) next year.

Wonder what the impact of that will be on Meyer's "health and family" issues?





________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Mon, November 28, 2011 2:21:44 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel

> The ESPN Crawl says that Meyer is the next coach at dOSU>

Oh woe is us (the rest of the Big Ten)!

Do we start the clock on future NCAA violations now or in January?
--
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 16:05:25 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:05:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <CAN7sengUy14OkeO9=HrBjQ5Zc+Z+tvcKdDQMWbcss7rKG3Z38Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111128220525.62F6D64C19@romaine.tssi.com>

> Jim Harbaugh has, for better or worse, completely changed the culture of
> football. Now administrators expect a turnaround in one or two seasons. If
> it can be done at Stanford, they ask, why can't it be done at x (name my
> school) -- which, by the way, is a reasonable question.

Gary Barnett's turnaround of Northwestern and Bill Snyder's turnaround
of Kansas State, two programs with long histories of losing, may have
contributed to that culture far more than Stanford did.  Snyder is
doing it again at KSU, the fans there hope he lives forever.  

Stanford was never as far down for as long as either of those schools.  

Tyrone Willingham was 44-36-1 in his 7 seasons, Bill Walsh was 34-24-1 in 
two stints as coach, though only 17-17-1 the second time around.  Stanford 
went to back-to-back Rose Bowls in the 70's under John Ralston, winning both.

Walt Harris was a poor fit at Stanford and lasted just two years.
Harbaugh had two losing seasons to follow Harris, but apparently that
was good enough compared to Walt that he wasn't dumped.

I didn't even remember Buddy Teevens as one of their former head coaches 
until I saw it on Wiki.  

As to David Shaw, well, let's see how good he is as keeping the program
on the top, something Harbaugh wasn't around long enough to demonstrate he
could do, either.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 28 16:10:17 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:10:17 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <20111128211949.39D986524F@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1322512212.74612.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <000301ccae1a$83788c40$8a69a4c0$@com>

The rise of Tim Tebow and the system they've built around him suggests that QB's like Dan
just might have a future in the NFL.

I think it was Skip Bayless' show today where they were talking about how you have to have
a backup for someone like Tebow (or Vick, or Young) who can do the same things or the
system eventually fails because you can't count on a QB to play a full season when you let
him run around.

The NFL just doesn't seem to totally understand how to make a QB the 2nd running back in
the spread and use that concept to confuse defenses. They made the point that all of the
great running QB's wound up not using their arms as much, and it is when they forget that
2nd running back option that those teams fall apart.

Of course you can over use the QB as a running back, and wind up with a situation like the
Eagles, where Vick ran himself into the training table, and Young came in, used the right
balance and seemed to reignite the Eagles, even if they can't win. It?s a shame they won't
try Kafka - I think that even with being a little slower, he has the arm to provide the
balance. 

We watch a modified spread every week in Baltimore, as Cam Cameron's offense combines
parts of the spread with a 2 back power offense. Flacco is not afraid to take off running
if the lane opens up, and many of the defenses keep a linebacker around to keep him from
running. When it works, it works, but the Ravens also will go with no backs and at times
look like NU with everyone split out.

Now, I can see Denver drafting Persa as a backup for Tebow. I can also see some other team
drafting him with the idea of adding that dimension to their offense. 

Of course, they can't get rid of the stud WR's needed to make it work the way they did in
Denver, and as Persa has shown, having a good TE/FB/Superback doesn't hurt either.

In any case, I think we'll be pleasantly surprised at this year's crop of Seniors after
draft day.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========

If Dan Persa can't make it in the NFL (I doubt he'll even be drafted), 
I'd love to see him on the Northwestern staff in the future.  
Same passion!
--
Mike Nolan

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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 16:11:48 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:11:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Detroit
In-Reply-To: <1322517217.24042.YahooMailRC@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111128221148.CF2D8652CD@romaine.tssi.com>

> It seems that every year, we're in the position of worrying about going to 
> Detroit.  I think that the Big Ten just renewed the contract with them
> in the past year or two, but it does expire after 2013, so, at worst, 
> we'll only have to worry twice more!

I don't think I'd recommend the Big Ten drop that contract, they could
have 11 bowl eligible schools next season.  (They could have 12 bowl 
eligible teams some year.)

Is Pizza Bowl better than no bowl?  Ask the 6-6 2007 Northwestern team 
that question!
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov 28 16:19:00 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:19:00 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <000301ccae1a$83788c40$8a69a4c0$@com>
References: <1322512212.74612.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
 <20111128211949.39D986524F@romaine.tssi.com>
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Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC067087@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I certainly hope that Persa gets a chance to follow his dream.

That said, I hope that dream isn't running the spread for an NFL team.  Defenses are just too big and too fast for running QB's to have a long career.  Combine that with the incredible defensive schemes out there now which essentially focus on damaging the QB, and I wonder why anyone would want that job.

Jeff 

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:10 PM
To: 'Mike Nolan'; jleonard518 at yahoo.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel

The rise of Tim Tebow and the system they've built around him suggests that QB's like Dan
just might have a future in the NFL.

I think it was Skip Bayless' show today where they were talking about how you have to have
a backup for someone like Tebow (or Vick, or Young) who can do the same things or the
system eventually fails because you can't count on a QB to play a full season when you let
him run around.

The NFL just doesn't seem to totally understand how to make a QB the 2nd running back in
the spread and use that concept to confuse defenses. They made the point that all of the
great running QB's wound up not using their arms as much, and it is when they forget that
2nd running back option that those teams fall apart.

Of course you can over use the QB as a running back, and wind up with a situation like the
Eagles, where Vick ran himself into the training table, and Young came in, used the right
balance and seemed to reignite the Eagles, even if they can't win. It's a shame they won't
try Kafka - I think that even with being a little slower, he has the arm to provide the
balance. 

We watch a modified spread every week in Baltimore, as Cam Cameron's offense combines
parts of the spread with a 2 back power offense. Flacco is not afraid to take off running
if the lane opens up, and many of the defenses keep a linebacker around to keep him from
running. When it works, it works, but the Ravens also will go with no backs and at times
look like NU with everyone split out.

Now, I can see Denver drafting Persa as a backup for Tebow. I can also see some other team
drafting him with the idea of adding that dimension to their offense. 

Of course, they can't get rid of the stud WR's needed to make it work the way they did in
Denver, and as Persa has shown, having a good TE/FB/Superback doesn't hurt either.

In any case, I think we'll be pleasantly surprised at this year's crop of Seniors after
draft day.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========

If Dan Persa can't make it in the NFL (I doubt he'll even be drafted), 
I'd love to see him on the Northwestern staff in the future.  
Same passion!
--
Mike Nolan

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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 16:20:07 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:20:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <000301ccae1a$83788c40$8a69a4c0$@com>
Message-ID: <20111128222007.A8784652D2@romaine.tssi.com>

> In any case, I think we'll be pleasantly surprised at this year's crop 
> of Seniors after draft day.

Hope you're right.  I don't see Dunsmore or Ebert showing up on a
lot of draft lists yet.  Replacing them may be harder than replacing
Persa next season.  On 3rd down plays I automatically look to see 
where Ebert is lined up.  Does anybody keep stats of how many times
a receiver makes a catch for a first down?  

Christian Jones shows some promise, and I would LOVE to see him become 
a star in Evanston afer so many schools pulled their scholarship 
offers when he got injured in HS.  You can't buy that kind of positive 
publicity!
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 16:25:06 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 16:25:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC067087@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <20111128222506.913BD64C0B@romaine.tssi.com>

> Combine that with the incredible defensive schemes out there 
> now which essentially focus on damaging the QB, and I wonder why anyone 
> would want that job.

Peyton Manning's latest contract was for $90 million over 5 years, Aaron
Rogers $65 million over 6 years.  That's why!
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Nov 28 16:44:31 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 22:44:31 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC067075@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <CAN7senhrUotO4SViqnrhKFv5gSTNethjp63L08d1Q_NH6Ja0Dw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20111128193910.6EB766501A@romaine.tssi.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC067075@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <661208799-1322520234-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1073586565-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Great post, Jeff.  One of my new favorites during my time as a List member.  Reads like a good summation in a trial.:-)

Maybe Jim Phillips can expand our brand as follows:

"Chicago's Big Ten Team..America's Collegiate Calm in the Storm"

Paul
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:22:31 
To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>; Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel

Those of you who have been on this list for a while hopefully remember
the vigorous debates around Barnett when he was job shopping and Randy
Walker after the Wheeler tragedy when the program stalled.  There was
all sorts of speculation about the impact that coaching had on a
program.

Now looking at the storm of coaching changes and program disruptions
caused by scandal as well as NCAA infractions - it feels sort of like we
are in the calm center.  I'm sure our recruiters will take advantage of
that "calm".

We now have a coach who appears to have no interest in any other job.

We have an administration who appear to understand the value that this
coach and this program bring to the institution AND appear willing to
back that up with money.

We have a program that won't take just anyone, but graduates everyone.
As a result, year after year, we have a team made up of special kids.
Kids with character.  Kids who, when you hear their stories, make you
almost as proud as their parents must be.  Kids who always seem to find
a way every year to come together as a team and prove that good teams
can beat better athletes.

We now have kids, like Kurt Cousins, who are growing up NU fans because
they've only known winning teams.

I never really understood the reverence that PSU alums and students gave
to JoePa.  As a result, it is hard to really understand the sense of
loss that they must currently feel.

I think this season, though, I'm starting to get a glimpse of what Fitz
can mean to this program and this University.  Among other things, it
means every year that other programs fall be the wayside because of
scandal or failure - ours gets a little better.  It means that parents
will be able to use the prospect of playing for NU (rather than Ill or
ND) to motivate their football kids to study as well as practice.

It means a program we alums can be proud of every year, even those we go
6-6.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:39 PM
To: Alan Abrahamson
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel

> Don't be surprised if Neuheisel is out at UCLA before the day is over.

Yup,  ESPN is now reporting that the announcement will be made at 5:30
PM ET,
though they don't say whether or not UCLA will ask for a waiver on bowl
eligibility.
--
Mike Nolan

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 28 18:02:49 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:02:49 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <661208799-1322520234-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1073586565-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <CAN7senhrUotO4SViqnrhKFv5gSTNethjp63L08d1Q_NH6Ja0Dw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20111128193910.6EB766501A@romaine.tssi.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC067075@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <661208799-1322520234-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1073586565-@b27.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <000a01ccae2a$3bdadb80$b3909280$@com>

FWIW - most recruits either come to a school for the coach, want to join a winner and go
to the NFL, or want to be part of a turnaround, play for that winner and go to the NFL.

Every year, there were two or three kids who commit to State Penn, saying they wanted to
play for Joe Pa. Zook, for all his lack of game day ability, was able to sell kids from
Illinois on coming to Champaign to become big winners. Having Mendenhall and others in the
NFL didn't hurt his pitch either.

Urban Meyer will revitalize the recruiting in Ohio for dOSU, but I'm sure NU will continue
to harvest good classes with Ohio kids featured. Meyer must be able to recruit, he got the
hosses to make Florida a power, same with his other stops, but he'll still only have 18-22
scholarships open every year.

Meanwhile, NU has one of the best recruiters in Fitz, and a couple of assistants who are
also proven top level prospect signers. Just figure on a few more Illinois kids heading
north over the next few recruiting seasons. (unless Ill-noise finds a super charged coach
to work Chicago)

Look at what Tavaras did for basketball in the Chicago area - Illinois will have to start
over there for football, and maybe NU continues to grab good prospects becoming Chicago's
Team for real.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:45 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Mike Nolan; Alan Abrahamson
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel

Great post, Jeff.  One of my new favorites during my time as a List member.  Reads like a
good summation in a trial.:-)

Maybe Jim Phillips can expand our brand as follows:

"Chicago's Big Ten Team..America's Collegiate Calm in the Storm"

Paul
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:22:31 
To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>; Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel

Those of you who have been on this list for a while hopefully remember
the vigorous debates around Barnett when he was job shopping and Randy
Walker after the Wheeler tragedy when the program stalled.  There was
all sorts of speculation about the impact that coaching had on a
program.

Now looking at the storm of coaching changes and program disruptions
caused by scandal as well as NCAA infractions - it feels sort of like we
are in the calm center.  I'm sure our recruiters will take advantage of
that "calm".

We now have a coach who appears to have no interest in any other job.

We have an administration who appear to understand the value that this
coach and this program bring to the institution AND appear willing to
back that up with money.

We have a program that won't take just anyone, but graduates everyone.
As a result, year after year, we have a team made up of special kids.
Kids with character.  Kids who, when you hear their stories, make you
almost as proud as their parents must be.  Kids who always seem to find
a way every year to come together as a team and prove that good teams
can beat better athletes.

We now have kids, like Kurt Cousins, who are growing up NU fans because
they've only known winning teams.

I never really understood the reverence that PSU alums and students gave
to JoePa.  As a result, it is hard to really understand the sense of
loss that they must currently feel.

I think this season, though, I'm starting to get a glimpse of what Fitz
can mean to this program and this University.  Among other things, it
means every year that other programs fall be the wayside because of
scandal or failure - ours gets a little better.  It means that parents
will be able to use the prospect of playing for NU (rather than Ill or
ND) to motivate their football kids to study as well as practice.

It means a program we alums can be proud of every year, even those we go
6-6.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 2:39 PM
To: Alan Abrahamson
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel

> Don't be surprised if Neuheisel is out at UCLA before the day is over.

Yup,  ESPN is now reporting that the announcement will be made at 5:30
PM ET,
though they don't say whether or not UCLA will ask for a waiver on bowl
eligibility.
--
Mike Nolan

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 28 19:06:32 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:06:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] O How I Hate O Hi O State!
Message-ID: <1322528792.84336.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Growing up a fan of the Maize and Blue, I feel like things have returned to normal a bit now in the Big Ten.

It was weird the past few years because RichRod was as slimy as they come and I had been fooled by the PR snowjob of Mr. Sweaterfest. I never *liked* Ohio State, but I didn't detest them with as much ferocity as I had in the past.

Order has been restored.

Brady Hoke (or "Bobby Baccala" for Soprano fans) is a Michigan Man and a heck of a coach. Once he gets his recruits in there (and not the tiny linemen RichRod had for his spread), they're gonna be dangerous.

And Ohio State has returned to prime hate-ability by hiring that pompous, sanctimonious windbag St. Urban as their new coach after a week or two of some truly awful acting and denials.

It's an interesting hire because while he is no doubt a winner, it's not like the Gators were a "clean" program during his tenure. And it obviously means OSU does not care much about public perception that it is "cleaning up" its out of control program (an SEC school in Big Ten clothing). Also because the "mystique" around Urban has died down since he's been in the broadcast booth -- getting schooled in Football 101 every week by Chris Spielman kind of hurts the rep of St. Urban as a genius coach, ala the offensive Nick Saban. But ... he is one heck of a recruiter and he will have a lot to work with in Columbus as long as there are no serious sanctions.

So USC utterly hate-able with that whiny lil' punk Lane Kiffin? Check.
And the Evil Empire has the volcanic bully who would sell out his team at the hint of a big payday? Yup.
Now "the" Ohio State "University" has an arrogant, run-up-the-score coach who rubs people the wrong way? Definitely.

Order has been restored to the unholy trinity of college football evil that I would usually see at the start of the season, end of the regular season and postseason as a child growing up. It's nostalgic in a way. Go Blue! :)

GO CATS!!!
- SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Mon Nov 28 19:27:56 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 20:27:56 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <20111128211949.39D986524F@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111128211949.39D986524F@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <8CE7C4D41BC306C-277C-DFCEE@webmail-m146.sysops.aol.com>

Mike,


   Good post, but I believe Dan Persa would take like a fish to water in Canada providing he's 100% healthy.    elk



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To: jleonard518 <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 28, 2011 11:20 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel


> I'm guess Gill didn't click with administrators and/or alumni at Kansas. 
> No one can expect a turnaround in two seasons. 

Tell that to Kevin Wilson next season.

There were some other factors not in Gill's favor.  The AD who hired
him is no longer there, and it's easier to give the guy you hired
a little more time than the guy someone else hired.-

And there were some who thought Gill was too nice, forbidding staff
to curse, etc.  It's a football program, not a FCA revival meeting.

Some of the player comments yesterday were telling, with players
admitting that they didn't try as hard for Gill as they did for
Mangino, because Turner didn't push them enough.

That's why I'm so thankful we have Fitz.  The players respect him,
understand his passion.  They work extra hard because they know he 
would have (and did!), and they know he has their back both on the 
field and off.  That makes him the last person on the planet they 
want to disappoint.

If Dan Persa can't make it in the NFL (I doubt he'll even be drafted), 
I'd love to see him on the Northwestern staff in the future.  
Same passion!
--
Mike Nolan

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov 28 19:33:34 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 01:33:34 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] O How I Hate O Hi O State!
In-Reply-To: <1322528792.84336.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322528792.84336.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1752177964-1322530415-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2025845037-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Does anyone know when was the last time Urban lost a game to a BT school ?  We know he beat us and  OSU.  I sure hope he gets the "experience" of losing to a BT school fast 

Harry
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Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:06:32 
To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] O How I Hate O Hi O State!

Growing up a fan of the Maize and Blue, I feel like things have returned to normal a bit now in the Big Ten.

It was weird the past few years because RichRod was as slimy as they come and I had been fooled by the PR snowjob of Mr. Sweaterfest. I never *liked* Ohio State, but I didn't detest them with as much ferocity as I had in the past.

Order has been restored.

Brady Hoke (or "Bobby Baccala" for Soprano fans) is a Michigan Man and a heck of a coach. Once he gets his recruits in there (and not the tiny linemen RichRod had for his spread), they're gonna be dangerous.

And Ohio State has returned to prime hate-ability by hiring that pompous, sanctimonious windbag St. Urban as their new coach after a week or two of some truly awful acting and denials.

It's an interesting hire because while he is no doubt a winner, it's not like the Gators were a "clean" program during his tenure. And it obviously means OSU does not care much about public perception that it is "cleaning up" its out of control program (an SEC school in Big Ten clothing). Also because the "mystique" around Urban has died down since he's been in the broadcast booth -- getting schooled in Football 101 every week by Chris Spielman kind of hurts the rep of St. Urban as a genius coach, ala the offensive Nick Saban. But ... he is one heck of a recruiter and he will have a lot to work with in Columbus as long as there are no serious sanctions.

So USC utterly hate-able with that whiny lil' punk Lane Kiffin? Check.
And the Evil Empire has the volcanic bully who would sell out his team at the hint of a big payday? Yup.
Now "the" Ohio State "University" has an arrogant, run-up-the-score coach who rubs people the wrong way? Definitely.

Order has been restored to the unholy trinity of college football evil that I would usually see at the start of the season, end of the regular season and postseason as a child growing up. It's nostalgic in a way. Go Blue! :)

GO CATS!!!
- SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 28 20:05:01 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 18:05:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] O How I Hate O Hi O State!
In-Reply-To: <1752177964-1322530415-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2025845037-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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I know he lost to Michigan in Lloyd Carr's last game as a Wolverine -- watching the Maize and Blue take it right to Urban's pompous Gatorthugs and shove Mike Hart down their throat to prove smashmouth football still works in Orlando was a bowl highlight of recent years.

He scraped by PSU in his final game as a Gator in the Citrus Bowl and since Florida rarely plays Big Ten schools outside of bowl games, I would wager those were his last two Big Ten teams.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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________________________________
 From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] O How I Hate O Hi O State!
 
Does anyone know when was the last time Urban lost a game to a BT school ?? We know he beat us and? OSU.? I sure hope he gets the "experience" of losing to a BT school fast 

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:06:32 
To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] O How I Hate O Hi O State!

Growing up a fan of the Maize and Blue, I feel like things have returned to normal a bit now in the Big Ten.

It was weird the past few years because RichRod was as slimy as they come and I had been fooled by the PR snowjob of Mr. Sweaterfest. I never *liked* Ohio State, but I didn't detest them with as much ferocity as I had in the past.

Order has been restored.

Brady Hoke (or "Bobby Baccala" for Soprano fans) is a Michigan Man and a heck of a coach. Once he gets his recruits in there (and not the tiny linemen RichRod had for his spread), they're gonna be dangerous.

And Ohio State has returned to prime hate-ability by hiring that pompous, sanctimonious windbag St. Urban as their new coach after a week or two of some truly awful acting and denials.

It's an interesting hire because while he is no doubt a winner, it's not like the Gators were a "clean" program during his tenure. And it obviously means OSU does not care much about public perception that it is "cleaning up" its out of control program (an SEC school in Big Ten clothing). Also because the "mystique" around Urban has died down since he's been in the broadcast booth -- getting schooled in Football 101 every week by Chris Spielman kind of hurts the rep of St. Urban as a genius coach, ala the offensive Nick Saban. But ... he is one heck of a recruiter and he will have a lot to work with in Columbus as long as there are no serious sanctions.

So USC utterly hate-able with that whiny lil' punk Lane Kiffin? Check.
And the Evil Empire has the volcanic bully who would sell out his team at the hint of a big payday? Yup.
Now "the" Ohio State "University" has an arrogant, run-up-the-score coach who rubs people the wrong way? Definitely.

Order has been restored to the unholy trinity of college football evil that I would usually see at the start of the season, end of the regular season and postseason as a child growing up. It's nostalgic in a way. Go Blue! :)

GO CATS!!!
- SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Mon Nov 28 20:06:19 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:06:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] O How I Hate O Hi O State!
In-Reply-To: <1752177964-1322530415-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2025845037-@b25.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1322528792.84336.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Urban's Florida team lost to Michigan in Lloyd Carr's last game in the Cap
One bowl following the 07 season - the same team that lost to App St.

--
Jonathan
On Nov 28, 2011 8:33 PM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know when was the last time Urban lost a game to a BT school ?
>  We know he beat us and  OSU.  I sure hope he gets the "experience" of
> losing to a BT school fast
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 17:06:32
> To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] O How I Hate O Hi O State!
>
> Growing up a fan of the Maize and Blue, I feel like things have returned
> to normal a bit now in the Big Ten.
>
> It was weird the past few years because RichRod was as slimy as they come
> and I had been fooled by the PR snowjob of Mr. Sweaterfest. I never *liked*
> Ohio State, but I didn't detest them with as much ferocity as I had in the
> past.
>
> Order has been restored.
>
> Brady Hoke (or "Bobby Baccala" for Soprano fans) is a Michigan Man and a
> heck of a coach. Once he gets his recruits in there (and not the tiny
> linemen RichRod had for his spread), they're gonna be dangerous.
>
> And Ohio State has returned to prime hate-ability by hiring that pompous,
> sanctimonious windbag St. Urban as their new coach after a week or two of
> some truly awful acting and denials.
>
> It's an interesting hire because while he is no doubt a winner, it's not
> like the Gators were a "clean" program during his tenure. And it obviously
> means OSU does not care much about public perception that it is "cleaning
> up" its out of control program (an SEC school in Big Ten clothing). Also
> because the "mystique" around Urban has died down since he's been in the
> broadcast booth -- getting schooled in Football 101 every week by Chris
> Spielman kind of hurts the rep of St. Urban as a genius coach, ala the
> offensive Nick Saban. But ... he is one heck of a recruiter and he will
> have a lot to work with in Columbus as long as there are no serious
> sanctions.
>
> So USC utterly hate-able with that whiny lil' punk Lane Kiffin? Check.
> And the Evil Empire has the volcanic bully who would sell out his team at
> the hint of a big payday? Yup.
> Now "the" Ohio State "University" has an arrogant, run-up-the-score coach
> who rubs people the wrong way? Definitely.
>
> Order has been restored to the unholy trinity of college football evil
> that I would usually see at the start of the season, end of the regular
> season and postseason as a child growing up. It's nostalgic in a way. Go
> Blue! :)
>
> GO CATS!!!
> - SjT
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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> _______________________________________________
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 28 21:44:05 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 19:44:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 51 for Fitz
Message-ID: <1322538245.92346.YahooMailNeo@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sons and Daughters,

?
The regular season
is over and our beloved Cats are 6-6. Barring some unforeseen circumstances
Northwestern should be accepting a 4th consecutive bowl bid on
Sunday. 
?
What Coach Fitz has
done for our program is simply amazing (although entirely expected).
Northwestern football has not had a losing season in five years. For those of
us who became purple prior to 1995 this is a streak we could never have
imagined. 
?
This Friday
(December 2nd) is Coach Fitz?s 37th birthday. I hope you
will join me in thanking Fitz for his efforts by making a $51 donation to the
University on December 2nd. There is a donation link on main website www.northwestern.edu. Select whatever
school or program you wish. 
?
As an alum and as a
fan I think it?s important that we express our gratitude to our coach. Fitz
represents our alma mater in all the right ways. He recruits great players who
value education and make our university proud. He is full of purple pride and
his sideline energy is infectious. Did I mention that he beat Nebraska? 
?
I often here fans
of other schools say things like, ?Fitz is a great coach but you guys will
never have a program like Penn State or Ohio State.? I just smile and say, ?exactly.?
In Fitz We Trust. 
?
Victory &
Honor,
Jim?

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 22:45:53 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:45:53 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <1322517525.37123.YahooMailRC@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <20111128202144.90AC665227@romaine.tssi.com>
 <1322517525.37123.YahooMailRC@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8635022C-2716-4EA2-AF2A-67A08BD2C1CA@gmail.com>

They better win it next year because it will be the last year they'll be eligible for quite a few; sooner than Miami gets eligible again, but still quite a few.
Mark

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Nov 28, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> No doubt, Buckeye Nation will have sky high expectations of a Big Ten title, win 
> over Michigan, and a Rose Bowl victory (at least) next year.
> 
> Wonder what the impact of that will be on Meyer's "health and family" issues?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
> To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Mon, November 28, 2011 2:21:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
> 
>> The ESPN Crawl says that Meyer is the next coach at dOSU>
> 
> Oh woe is us (the rest of the Big Ten)!
> 
> Do we start the clock on future NCAA violations now or in January?
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Mon Nov 28 22:49:54 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:49:54 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <20111128190207.0170464C0B@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111128190207.0170464C0B@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <F8107401-3484-49A1-92F3-BBD3866D5B8A@gmail.com>

Neiheisel is apparently out but will still coach the loss to Oregon, oops, I mean the championship game.  With him gone, I would think UCLA would not apply to the NCAA for a waiver to play in a bowl game as had earlier been speculated.

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



On Nov 28, 2011, at 2:02 PM, nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:

> Looks like Erickson is out at Arizona State, just details to clean up
> as to whether he retires or is fired.  (Might affect how much he gets
> paid and when.)
> 
> Wulff is still 'in talks' with his AD at Wazoo.  At least one source
> is reporting that Neuheisel has already been told he will be out
> after the Oregon game.  
> 
> And, what a shock, Urban Meyer should be announced as the new coach
> at Ohio State in the next day or two.
> 
> If Turner Gill only got two years at Kansas, how much time will they
> give Kevin Wilson at Indiana?  But at least they were competitive in 
> the majority of their games this season, unlike Kansas.  
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From herms at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 28 22:53:24 2011
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:53:24 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <F8107401-3484-49A1-92F3-BBD3866D5B8A@gmail.com>
References: <20111128190207.0170464C0B@romaine.tssi.com>,
 <F8107401-3484-49A1-92F3-BBD3866D5B8A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT104-W90C05763B7E88A56A1D98AEB30@phx.gbl>


They went ahead and applied for the waiver-http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/story/_/id/7292317/ucla-bruins-apply-bowl-waiver-lose-oregon-ducks

> From: sportsbiz at gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:49:54 -0500
> To: nolan at tssi.com
> CC: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
> 
> Neiheisel is apparently out but will still coach the loss to Oregon, oops, I mean the championship game.  With him gone, I would think UCLA would not apply to the NCAA for a waiver to play in a bowl game as had earlier been speculated.
> 
>  Mark S. Ament
> sportsbiz at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 28, 2011, at 2:02 PM, nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:
> 
> > Looks like Erickson is out at Arizona State, just details to clean up
> > as to whether he retires or is fired.  (Might affect how much he gets
> > paid and when.)
> > 
> > Wulff is still 'in talks' with his AD at Wazoo.  At least one source
> > is reporting that Neuheisel has already been told he will be out
> > after the Oregon game.  
> > 
> > And, what a shock, Urban Meyer should be announced as the new coach
> > at Ohio State in the next day or two.
> > 
> > If Turner Gill only got two years at Kansas, how much time will they
> > give Kevin Wilson at Indiana?  But at least they were competitive in 
> > the majority of their games this season, unlike Kansas.  
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 23:12:44 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:12:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] All-conference teams announced
Message-ID: <20111129051244.7CA686016A@romaine.tssi.com>

Dunsmore makes first team on both the coaches and media all-conference
teams and gets the first Kwalick-Clark Tight End award.  

Brian Peters makes the media's first team.

Ebert makes second team by the media.  

Honorable mentions:

Coaches:  Ebert, Main, Mulroe, Netter
Media:    Colter, Mabin, Muroe, Netter, Persa
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Nov 28 23:16:11 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:16:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching carousel
In-Reply-To: <8635022C-2716-4EA2-AF2A-67A08BD2C1CA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111129051611.B5D2260167@romaine.tssi.com>

> They better win it next year because it will be the last year they'll be 
> eligible for quite a few; sooner than Miami gets eligible again, but still 
> quite a few.

You never know what the NCAA will do, USC thought it was going to get
off much more lightly than it did.  Anyway, the Bucks will find out in 
about two weeks, the NCAA just said they don't need to make another 
appearance before the infractions committee, their written response
was sufficient.

I would be surprised if they got more than a one or two year bowl ban,
and most commentators don't think they'll even get that.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 01:16:40 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 23:16:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 14
Message-ID: <1322551000.8389.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

No standings yet - I was a little busy this weekend with my nephew Seamus. Lil' guy spent Thanksgiving in Arizona and we had a blast. So you'll just have to wait! :)

However, we do have title game weekend and some games on FRIDAY, so make sure your picks are in by the kickoffs in Detroit and Eugene this Friday.


PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 14
#########################
Name:?

BIG TEN
=======
GAME 1: Michigan State vs. Wisconsin (@ Indianapolis, IN)
WINNER:?
NATIONAL========
GAME 2: Northern Illinois vs. Ohio (@ Detroit, MI)
WINNER:?

GAME 3: UCLA @ Oregon
WINNER:?

GAME 4: Georgia vs. Louisiana State (@ Atlanta, GA)
WINNER:?

GAME 5: Clemson vs. Virginia Tech (@ Charlotte, NC)
WINNER:?

GAME 6: Southern Miss @ Houston
WINNER:?
GAME 7: Oklahoma @ Oklahoma State
WINNER:?

GAME 8: Texas @ BaylorWINNER:?

GAME 9: Iowa State @ Kansas State
WINNER:?
GAME 10: BYU @ Hawaii
WINNER:?
MY PICKS========
GAME 1: WISCONSIN ... A good clash of physical, slobberknocking teams, but the Smug Smirk actually covers the Hail Mary this time
GAME 2: NORTHERN ILLINOIS ... First one to 60 wins!
GAME 3: OREGON ... This could be the worst title game ever - ouch!
GAME 4: LSU ... Though I'm hoping for UGa - as Wilbon said on PTI, anyone who says a playoff would make the regular season meaningless aren't paying attention, because this game is meaningless
GAME 5: CLEMSON ... It's the ACC, so who really cares?
GAME 6: HOUSTON ... B(C)S! B(C)S! But they're more Hawaii than Utah/TCU/Boise.
GAME 7: OKLAHOMA ... The Lil' XII is all overrated, but the Cowpokes especially
GAME 8: TEXAS ... Unless Griffin III is healthy
GAME 9: KANSAS STATE ... Are they serious with the B(C)S talk for KSU?
GAME 10: HAWAII ... Strange things happen on the island.
Picks due by Friday kickoff! Standings out later this week (hopefully) ...
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
-SjT
?
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Nov 29 06:46:43 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 07:46:43 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum says PSU deserves Bowl, but not Pitt (& NU)
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F225F8@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11333/1193289-87.stm  
?

  


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 29 07:00:03 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:00:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum says PSU deserves Bowl,
	but not Pitt (& NU)
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F225F8@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F225F8@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <000301ccae96$cff35560$6fda0020$@com>

Ahh, the Mussberger school of NU Alumni

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:47 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum says PSU deserves Bowl, but not Pitt (& NU)

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11333/1193289-87.stm  
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov 29 10:46:57 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 10:46:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum says PSU deserves Bowl,
	but not Pitt (& NU)
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F225F8@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <20111129164657.6920C60720@romaine.tssi.com>

> http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11333/1193289-87.stm  

Well, if you start with the premise that there are
'a ridiculous number of bowls', as he does,
then concluding that 6-6 teams shouldn't be in bowl
games is probably not unreasonable.

As long as ESPN and others are willing to shell out
for TV rights for bowl games, I don't see any meaningful
shrinkage in the number of games.

With 120 FBS teams, 35 bowl games is probably about as
many as the current rules can handle without running
into the risk that there aren't enough bowl-eligible
teams to fill all the bowls.  

Personally, I like bowl games, because each bowl
has its own story, even the mismatches.  And if
college football has proven anything, it is that
you cannot assume the favored team will win.

I do, however, have concerns about the fact that 70
out of 120 teams get extra practices.  This creates
'haves' and 'have nots'.  

Perhaps the NCAA should allow ALL 120 FBS teams to 
practice in December, not just the bowl-eligible ones.
--
Mike Nolan





From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 10:54:33 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 08:54:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum says PSU deserves Bowl,
	but not Pitt (& NU)
In-Reply-To: <20111129164657.6920C60720@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F225F8@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
 <20111129164657.6920C60720@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1322585673.12884.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That's an interesting idea, Mike. What if non-bowl teams could start fall camp a week earlier and have?10 extra sessions in pads? I wonder how many coaches would pass on a minor bowl game. 
?
I'm with you though, I like having the option of watching the various bowls. This is one case where I say the free market should be free to act. If the bowls can't pay for themselves they will disappear and if they can pay for themselves they are not hurting anyone.
?
Jim
?
?
 

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 From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum says PSU deserves Bowl, but not Pitt (& NU)
 
> http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11333/1193289-87.stm? 

Well, if you start with the premise that there are
'a ridiculous number of bowls', as he does,
then concluding that 6-6 teams shouldn't be in bowl
games is probably not unreasonable.

As long as ESPN and others are willing to shell out
for TV rights for bowl games, I don't see any meaningful
shrinkage in the number of games.

With 120 FBS teams, 35 bowl games is probably about as
many as the current rules can handle without running
into the risk that there aren't enough bowl-eligible
teams to fill all the bowls.? 

Personally, I like bowl games, because each bowl
has its own story, even the mismatches.? And if
college football has proven anything, it is that
you cannot assume the favored team will win.

I do, however, have concerns about the fact that 70
out of 120 teams get extra practices.? This creates
'haves' and 'have nots'.? 

Perhaps the NCAA should allow ALL 120 FBS teams to 
practice in December, not just the bowl-eligible ones.
--
Mike Nolan




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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov 29 11:20:12 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 11:20:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum says PSU deserves Bowl,
In-Reply-To: <1322585673.12884.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111129172012.92265605E4@romaine.tssi.com>

> That's an interesting idea, Mike. What if non-bowl teams could start fall c=
> amp a week earlier and have=A010 extra sessions in pads? I wonder how many =
> coaches would pass on a minor bowl game. =

That might swing the pendulum a bit too much in the other direction,
and it would have even more players practicing in the hottest part
of the year, increasing the risk of injuries.

However most schools spend only about half of their bowl practice
time preparing for their bowl opponent, the rest is looking at players 
likely to be on next year's team.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov 29 13:28:21 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 13:28:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Urban Meyer and The Game
Message-ID: <20111129192821.EE1456485E@romaine.tssi.com>

Urban Meyer didn't go as far as Tressel did when he was hired and promise
a victory over Michigan, it'll be interesting to see how he approaches
The Game.

Personally, I'd love to see that rivalry become competitive again,
it's part of what makes the Big Ten great.  

Brady Hoke ends every player meeting with the phrase "beat Ohio",
pointedly leaving the 'State' off the school name.

It reminds me of the days when Woody Hayes would refuse to call the
school Michigan, referring to it as "that school up North".  Hayes went 
so far as to refuse to buy gas in Michigan on recruiting trips.  

It's a shame to see so many long time rivalries die out due
to realignment, a trend which probably started with the end of the 
annual Oklahoma-Nebraska game by the Big XII.  The Big Ten did themselves 
no favor when they allowed some of their rivalries to become less than 
annual affairs, too.  

Personally, I don't buy for 30 seconds Texas's claim that there's
no room on the schedule for A&M until at least 2019.  If they
really WANTED to find room on the schedule to keep that rivalry
going, they could find a way to schedule it in 2012.  I think they're
secretly (or may not so secretly) relieved that they have one fewer
tough game each year.  Here's hoping that TCU and West Virginia
beat the snot out of the Horns, with great frequency!
--
Mike Nolan


From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Nov 29 14:16:10 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 12:16:10 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] hot off the presses
Message-ID: <CAN7senj=E7HSoyuRi8kXEVaRz3g2A2xM50A9bvsiwNjaPJPNsw@mail.gmail.com>

Those of you who watch "The Pat Fitzgerald Show" already have some insight
into the excellence of the Ryan Field grounds crew. The Cats like to play
fast, and Randy Stoneberg and his crew, as we learned on last week's
editions of "TPFS," make sure that's the way Ryan Field plays.

This particular award, should you be inclined to read the release, is in
large part due to the successful program to eradicate "Poa Annua grass"
from the Ryan Field turf, replacing it with ryegrass and bluegrass.





<http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112511aab.html>
*Ryan Field Named SportsTurf Management Association Field of the Year -
Northwestern University
Offic<http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112511aab.html>
*
www.nusports.com
Northwestern's Ryan Field has been named the 2011 College Football Field of
the Year by the SportsTurf Managers Association (STMA), the organization
announced this week.

From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov 29 14:44:34 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:44:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] hot off the presses
In-Reply-To: <CAN7senj=E7HSoyuRi8kXEVaRz3g2A2xM50A9bvsiwNjaPJPNsw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111129204434.5F1C564C4B@romaine.tssi.com>

> Those of you who watch "The Pat Fitzgerald Show" already have some insight
> into the excellence of the Ryan Field grounds crew. The Cats like to play
> fast, and Randy Stoneberg and his crew, as we learned on last week's
> editions of "TPFS," make sure that's the way Ryan Field plays.
> 
> This particular award, should you be inclined to read the release, is in
> large part due to the successful program to eradicate "Poa Annua grass"
> from the Ryan Field turf, replacing it with ryegrass and bluegrass.

Poa Annua, for those you who don't follow turf management issues, is also
called annual bluegrass, and is considered a noxious weed in a number
of states.  (It is also not the same as Kentucky Bluegrass, a perennial.)

My wife works as a computer specialist for the Department of Agronomy 
and Horticulture at the University of Nebraska.  The turf management 
guy there keeps urging us to get rid of our tall fescue lawn and replace
it with buffalograss, a species native to the Great Plains.  (Fescue
is originally from North Africa.)

Buffalograss is not considered a heavy traffic grass, though, and
would be totally unsuitable for a football field.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Nov 29 16:30:56 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 16:30:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] more coaching news
Message-ID: <20111129223056.D309C601C0@romaine.tssi.com>

Washington State decided that Paul Wulff's 4-8 record this season
didn't outweigh his 9-40 record overall, and he has been dismissed.

Penn State is said to be interested in Mississippi State coach
Dan Mullen.  Mullen has roots in Pennsylvania and the northeast but 
has no direct ties to Penn State or its disgraced former coaches.

Urban Meyer will not coach Ohio State in its bowl game, but one
can assume he'll be paying close attention to the players and
staff.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 29 19:07:14 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:07:14 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Down in Atlanta....
Message-ID: <000001ccaefc$6620a9b0$3261fd10$@com>

Surprise - Luka #2 scorer with 9 - Centers have 14 so far.

Coble - 15

NO blowout so far as the Yellow Jackets found their stroke, and the Cats can't stop Tech's
Jason Morris (16) and Rice off the bench with 6. In fact Tech's bench is scoring most of
the points right now.

NU usually comes back with better D in the 2nd half - have to see what happens.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 29 20:27:22 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:27:22 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win going away
Message-ID: <000501ccaf07$985dae90$c9190bb0$@com>

18 points from the centers, but Crawford missed a bunch of shots at the end. I thought
we'd slow down but we were shooting with lots of time life.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 20:32:42 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:32:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
Message-ID: <1322620362.60493.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I think I ask this every year, but do we have the best record of Big Ten teams in the Challenge?

Either way, nice win on the road for the Cats ... dunno how the league will do (Michigan choked, but the Illini picked up a road win with us), but it's good for Carmody's team to get the W.

Sure wish we could do this with the Pac 12 (or even SEC) in football. It would own the talk in September if you spread it out over four weekends!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Tue Nov 29 21:00:35 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:00:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] hot off the presses
In-Reply-To: <CAN7senj=E7HSoyuRi8kXEVaRz3g2A2xM50A9bvsiwNjaPJPNsw@mail.gmail.com>
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Alan and List Friends,


   This is when I know I'm not an NU Grad...LOL!  Or as Carl does in Caddyshack, develop a grass in which you can smoke and play 18 holes.  Did Carl go to NU?!?     GO CATS!!    Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 10:17 am
Subject: [NU Sports] hot off the presses


Those of you who watch "The Pat Fitzgerald Show" already have some insight
into the excellence of the Ryan Field grounds crew. The Cats like to play
fast, and Randy Stoneberg and his crew, as we learned on last week's
editions of "TPFS," make sure that's the way Ryan Field plays.

This particular award, should you be inclined to read the release, is in
large part due to the successful program to eradicate "Poa Annua grass"
from the Ryan Field turf, replacing it with ryegrass and bluegrass.





<http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112511aab.html>
*Ryan Field Named SportsTurf Management Association Field of the Year -
Northwestern University
Offic<http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112511aab.html>
*
www.nusports.com
Northwestern's Ryan Field has been named the 2011 College Football Field of
the Year by the SportsTurf Managers Association (STMA), the organization
announced this week.
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 29 21:22:45 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:22:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] hot off the presses
Message-ID: <1322623365.67091.yint-ygo-j2me@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Not exactly, Eric. However, legend has it that Bill Murray and Harold Ramus met on the Evanston public golf course near the stadium.

Jim


On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 9:00 PM CST Eric Kunkel wrote:

>
>Alan and List Friends,
>
>
>   This is when I know I'm not an NU Grad...LOL!  Or as Carl does in Caddyshack, develop a grass in which you can smoke and play 18 holes.  Did Carl go to NU?!?     GO CATS!!    Eric
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
>To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 10:17 am
>Subject: [NU Sports] hot off the presses
>
>
>Those of you who watch "The Pat Fitzgerald Show" already have some insight
>into the excellence of the Ryan Field grounds crew. The Cats like to play
>fast, and Randy Stoneberg and his crew, as we learned on last week's
>editions of "TPFS," make sure that's the way Ryan Field plays.
>
>This particular award, should you be inclined to read the release, is in
>large part due to the successful program to eradicate "Poa Annua grass"
>from the Ryan Field turf, replacing it with ryegrass and bluegrass.
>
>
>
>
>
><http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112511aab.html>
>*Ryan Field Named SportsTurf Management Association Field of the Year -
>Northwestern University
>Offic<http://www.nusports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112511aab.html>
>*
>www.nusports.com
>Northwestern's Ryan Field has been named the 2011 College Football Field of
>the Year by the SportsTurf Managers Association (STMA), the organization
>announced this week.
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Tue Nov 29 21:28:57 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:28:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Down in Atlanta....
In-Reply-To: <000001ccaefc$6620a9b0$3261fd10$@com>
References: <000001ccaefc$6620a9b0$3261fd10$@com>
Message-ID: <8CE7D275455A5E5-1C30-FFE3B@Webmail-m114.sysops.aol.com>

Freudian slip? Coble with 15?  Good production from center, and Sobelewski continues to impress.  Cobb was deactivated for his homecoming game (nagging injury) and Demps played the last 2 minutes.  If Demps isn't right, a red-shirt would be nice as he is putting off shoulder surgery until the end of the year. The maturation of Hearns and Sobe has been fun to watch.


GO CATS!!       Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 3:08 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Down in Atlanta....


Surprise - Luka #2 scorer with 9 - Centers have 14 so far.

Coble - 15

NO blowout so far as the Yellow Jackets found their stroke, and the Cats can't 
stop Tech's
Jason Morris (16) and Rice off the bench with 6. In fact Tech's bench is scoring 
most of
the points right now.

NU usually comes back with better D in the 2nd half - have to see what happens.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========



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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Tue Nov 29 21:31:24 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:31:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
In-Reply-To: <1322620362.60493.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Cats are 6-7 in Big 10/ACC Challenge. We've won 4 in a row and 5 of our last 6.  Per Eanet on WGN broadcast.    elk

-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 4:33 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)


I think I ask this every year, but do we have the best record of Big Ten teams 
in the Challenge?

Either way, nice win on the road for the Cats ... dunno how the league will do 
(Michigan choked, but the Illini picked up a road win with us), but it's good 
for Carmody's team to get the W.

Sure wish we could do this with the Pac 12 (or even SEC) in football. It would 
own the talk in September if you spread it out over four weekends!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

 
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Nov 29 21:32:46 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 03:32:46 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
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A couple of observa(ions from tonight's game;

1) 'Cats seem comfortable on the road, which ia a very encouraging sign.  My fear was that they woukd fall apart in hostile environments without Juice,  Not happenin'--so far.

2) Luka is playing much more aggressively at both ends.  Can he keep it up when we get to B1G time?

3) If Mirko seems more intense, Carmody is jist the opposite.  He appears to be more relaxed, less stressed, more confident in the team he has built.  I noticed it watching Charleston Final,where he wore the NU athletic jacket, doffing the usual sport jacket.  I know ot sounds trivial--and probably is--but BC's affect transmits to his 12 guys, and their is a palpable enthusiasm on the bench whenever we make a good play--and there have been many to cheer about so far.

4) You win with D-Fense, and we are playing hard, and efficiently, blocking shots, playing the angles correctly in the passing lanes--and hitting the boards.  Can we sustain this as the season progresses, and we play stronger more skilled opponents in conference?  
Can't say yet, but at least we are on the right path.  For now, 6-0 feels real good.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)

I think I ask this every year, but do we have the best record of Big Ten teams in the Challenge?

Either way, nice win on the road for the Cats ... dunno how the league will do (Michigan choked, but the Illini picked up a road win with us), but it's good for Carmody's team to get the W.

Sure wish we could do this with the Pac 12 (or even SEC) in football. It would own the talk in September if you spread it out over four weekends!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog at yahoo.com
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 30 00:20:19 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:20:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum says PSU deserves Bowl,
	but not Pitt (& NU)
In-Reply-To: <1322585673.12884.YahooMailNeo@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>I'm with you though, I like having the option of watching the various bowls. This is one case where I say the free market should be free to act. If the bowls can't pay for themselves they will disappear and if they can pay
>for themselves they are not hurting anyone.


I'm curious as to how many are making money, exactly. Most of them are now played in front of half-empty stadiums and garner so-so ratings. They seem more like "Welfare Bowls" propped up by the excess that is the B(C)S (which itself is propped up by a house of cards covering their dwindling gate and low ratings for bowls on a Tuesday night featuring Stanford vs. VaTech or some 7-5 Big Least "champ"). So I'm not sure the free market is in effect here ... it's a pyramid scheme propped up by the Cartel that is on life support largely based on the greatness of the regular season for college football.

I do know that I, as a great fan of college football, used to watch just about every bowl out there -- or at least some small part of it. Now I barely catch snippets of the Big Ten games. I couldn't tell you anything about the Cotton or Peach bowl games last year, yet alone the Fight Weedwackers Pizza Bowl. It seems there's a new one every year and it seems like the quality of teams in the games (including the B(C)S games) gets worse each year.

As for whether they're hurting anyone, I guess that depends on your view of the B(C)S. :) But for now, they get NU more practice time for next year, and the Big Ten at least has good bowl ties and plays top-tier conferences to make the matchups have a shot at being worth watching.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
To: 
Cc: "'nwu-sports at tssi.com'" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum says PSU deserves Bowl, but not Pitt (& NU)
 
That's an interesting idea, Mike. What if non-bowl teams could start fall camp a week earlier and have?10 extra sessions in pads? I wonder how many coaches would pass on a minor bowl game. 
?
I'm with you though, I like having the option of watching the various bowls. This is one case where I say the free market should be free to act. If the bowls can't pay for themselves they will disappear and if they can pay for themselves they are not hurting anyone.
?
Jim
?
?


________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com> 
Cc: "'nwu-sports at tssi.com'" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum says PSU deserves Bowl, but not Pitt (& NU)

> http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11333/1193289-87.stm? 

Well, if you start with the premise that there are
'a ridiculous number of bowls', as he does,
then concluding that 6-6 teams shouldn't be in bowl
games is probably not unreasonable.

As long as ESPN and others are willing to shell out
for TV rights for bowl games, I don't see any meaningful
shrinkage in the number of games.

With 120 FBS teams, 35 bowl games is probably about as
many as the current rules can handle without running
into the risk that there aren't enough bowl-eligible
teams to fill all the bowls.? 

Personally, I like bowl games, because each bowl
has its own story, even the mismatches.? And if
college football has proven anything, it is that
you cannot assume the favored team will win.

I do, however, have concerns about the fact that 70
out of 120 teams get extra practices.? This creates
'haves' and 'have nots'.? 

Perhaps the NCAA should allow ALL 120 FBS teams to 
practice in December, not just the bowl-eligible ones.
--
Mike Nolan




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From marks83588 at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 06:47:47 2011
From: marks83588 at aol.com (marks83588 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:47:47 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
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 <<My 
fear was that they woukd fall apart in hostile environments without Juice,  Not 
happenin'--so far.>>

I wouldn't draw any conclusions so far as to the ability of the Cats to play in "hostile environments". Charleston was a neutral court, and last night's game in Atlanta was close to a neutral court as the place was almost empty.

Let's see how they respond at Creighton......will be a great test and an excellent warm-up for dOSU.



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)


A couple of observa(ions from tonight's game;
1) 'Cats seem comfortable on the road, which ia a very encouraging sign.  My 
ear was that they woukd fall apart in hostile environments without Juice,  Not 
appenin'--so far.
2) Luka is playing much more aggressively at both ends.  Can he keep it up when 
e get to B1G time?
3) If Mirko seems more intense, Carmody is jist the opposite.  He appears to be 
ore relaxed, less stressed, more confident in the team he has built.  I noticed 
t watching Charleston Final,where he wore the NU athletic jacket, doffing the 
sual sport jacket.  I know ot sounds trivial--and probably is--but BC's affect 
ransmits to his 12 guys, and their is a palpable enthusiasm on the bench 
henever we make a good play--and there have been many to cheer about so far.
4) You win with D-Fense, and we are playing hard, and efficiently, blocking 
hots, playing the angles correctly in the passing lanes--and hitting the 
oards.  Can we sustain this as the season progresses, and we play stronger more 
killed opponents in conference?  
an't say yet, but at least we are on the right path.  For now, 6-0 feels real 
ood.
ent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
rom: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
ender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
ate: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:32:42 
o: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
eply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
ubject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
I think I ask this every year, but do we have the best record of Big Ten teams 
n the Challenge?
Either way, nice win on the road for the Cats ... dunno how the league will do 
Michigan choked, but the Illini picked up a road win with us), but it's good 
or Carmody's team to get the W.
Sure wish we could do this with the Pac 12 (or even SEC) in football. It would 
wn the talk in September if you spread it out over four weekends!
GO CATS!!!
SjT
 
 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
TEPHEN J. TRUOG
jtruog at yahoo.com
O CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
uper Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Nov 30 07:12:09 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:12:09 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
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Mirkovic's offensive play has certainly looked good early, though the level
of opposing centers will certainly increase in conference play.

And last night on D, NU stuck with man defense for much of the game and
rarely went to the 1-3-1, which they had to do in most of their previous
games after being flat out beat in their more traditional defense.  This is
encouraging, as the D certainly needed improvement this season.

Finally, regarding point guard play, Sobolewski has looked rather good and
has some nice moves to get to the basket, too.  I don't think any single
player will be able to replace Juice (particularly since he played 4,633
minutes in his NU career), but NU has been handling things pretty well so
far.

Now, of course, the huge test vs. a top 10 Baylor team (after a tuneup vs.
Miss. Valley St.).

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:32 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> A couple of observa(ions from tonight's game;
>
> 1) 'Cats seem comfortable on the road, which ia a very encouraging sign.
>  My fear was that they woukd fall apart in hostile environments without
> Juice,  Not happenin'--so far.
>
> 2) Luka is playing much more aggressively at both ends.  Can he keep it up
> when we get to B1G time?
>
> 3) If Mirko seems more intense, Carmody is jist the opposite.  He appears
> to be more relaxed, less stressed, more confident in the team he has built.
>  I noticed it watching Charleston Final,where he wore the NU athletic
> jacket, doffing the usual sport jacket.  I know ot sounds trivial--and
> probably is--but BC's affect transmits to his 12 guys, and their is a
> palpable enthusiasm on the bench whenever we make a good play--and there
> have been many to cheer about so far.
>
> 4) You win with D-Fense, and we are playing hard, and efficiently,
> blocking shots, playing the angles correctly in the passing lanes--and
> hitting the boards.  Can we sustain this as the season progresses, and we
> play stronger more skilled opponents in conference?
> Can't say yet, but at least we are on the right path.  For now, 6-0 feels
> real good.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:32:42
> To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
>
> I think I ask this every year, but do we have the best record of Big Ten
> teams in the Challenge?
>
> Either way, nice win on the road for the Cats ... dunno how the league
> will do (Michigan choked, but the Illini picked up a road win with us), but
> it's good for Carmody's team to get the W.
>
> Sure wish we could do this with the Pac 12 (or even SEC) in football. It
> would own the talk in September if you spread it out over four weekends!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
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From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 07:13:40 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:13:40 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
In-Reply-To: <8CE7D7565551467-1D54-4630@webmail-m149.sysops.aol.com>
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When they played in Final at Charleston, it sounded like all Seton Hall fans.  But your point is well taken.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: marks83588 at aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 07:47:47 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)


 <<My 
fear was that they woukd fall apart in hostile environments without Juice,  Not 
happenin'--so far.>>

I wouldn't draw any conclusions so far as to the ability of the Cats to play in "hostile environments". Charleston was a neutral court, and last night's game in Atlanta was close to a neutral court as the place was almost empty.

Let's see how they respond at Creighton......will be a great test and an excellent warm-up for dOSU.



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)


A couple of observa(ions from tonight's game;
1) 'Cats seem comfortable on the road, which ia a very encouraging sign.  My 
ear was that they woukd fall apart in hostile environments without Juice,  Not 
appenin'--so far.
2) Luka is playing much more aggressively at both ends.  Can he keep it up when 
e get to B1G time?
3) If Mirko seems more intense, Carmody is jist the opposite.  He appears to be 
ore relaxed, less stressed, more confident in the team he has built.  I noticed 
t watching Charleston Final,where he wore the NU athletic jacket, doffing the 
sual sport jacket.  I know ot sounds trivial--and probably is--but BC's affect 
ransmits to his 12 guys, and their is a palpable enthusiasm on the bench 
henever we make a good play--and there have been many to cheer about so far.
4) You win with D-Fense, and we are playing hard, and efficiently, blocking 
hots, playing the angles correctly in the passing lanes--and hitting the 
oards.  Can we sustain this as the season progresses, and we play stronger more 
killed opponents in conference?  
an't say yet, but at least we are on the right path.  For now, 6-0 feels real 
ood.
ent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
rom: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
ender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
ate: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:32:42 
o: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
eply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
ubject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
I think I ask this every year, but do we have the best record of Big Ten teams 
n the Challenge?
Either way, nice win on the road for the Cats ... dunno how the league will do 
Michigan choked, but the Illini picked up a road win with us), but it's good 
or Carmody's team to get the W.
Sure wish we could do this with the Pac 12 (or even SEC) in football. It would 
wn the talk in September if you spread it out over four weekends!
GO CATS!!!
SjT
 
 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
TEPHEN J. TRUOG
jtruog at yahoo.com
O CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
uper Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Nov 30 07:28:40 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 08:28:40 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum says PSU deserves Bowl,
	but not Pitt (& NU)
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The bowls exist thanks to TV money, and you can thank ESPN for that (33 of
the 35 bowls are on ESPN networks).  ESPN can do that thanks to its huge
subscriber fees (which we're all more than willing to help pay).
Conferences are also more than willing to sign contracts with new bowls as
they need a place to send as many of their teams as possible (since new
bowls must have agreements to fill both of its spots).  In terms of ticket
sales, the required allotments that the schools must pay for take care of
that; any extra tickets sold are essentially pure profit (for the
"non-profit" entity).  And though there is a lot of complaining the fact is
that there is enough demand (from schools/conferences to send teams there)
and TV (to pay for it) that the system works, even with 35 bowls/70 slots.
As you mentioned, to fund those ticket allotments, there is a bit of
"trickle down" from the BCS bowls, with the shared revenue from the bigger
bowls distributed to other conference members and sometimes used to pay for
those allotments in a lesser bowl.

Is this all the BCS's fault?  No.  I argue that these bowls would exist
with or without the BCS.  I suspect that sentiment is strong to go towards
the idea that was recently floated regarding the BCS that it only determine
the 1 vs. 2 title game and let the other bowls determine their own
participants, much like the "good old days."  If this occurs, I don't see
the lesser bowls going anywhere as long as ESPN sees the TV demand there.
Also, I agree with others that we won't likely see expansion much beyond
the current 35 games as we're already way too close to not having enough
eligible teams.

If you hate all of this, I'd say don't blame it on the BCS but on the bowl
system in general.  It may have tradition but it's also nonsensical,
backwards, and involves way too much politicking.  I just try not to think
about everything behind it all too much and focus on supporting the 'Cats
however I can and also enjoying some games during the holidays.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
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Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 1:20 AM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> >I'm with you though, I like having the option of watching the various
> bowls. This is one case where I say the free market should be free to act.
> If the bowls can't pay for themselves they will disappear and if they can
> pay
> >for themselves they are not hurting anyone.
>
>
> I'm curious as to how many are making money, exactly. Most of them are now
> played in front of half-empty stadiums and garner so-so ratings. They seem
> more like "Welfare Bowls" propped up by the excess that is the B(C)S (which
> itself is propped up by a house of cards covering their dwindling gate and
> low ratings for bowls on a Tuesday night featuring Stanford vs. VaTech or
> some 7-5 Big Least "champ"). So I'm not sure the free market is in effect
> here ... it's a pyramid scheme propped up by the Cartel that is on life
> support largely based on the greatness of the regular season for college
> football.
>
> I do know that I, as a great fan of college football, used to watch just
> about every bowl out there -- or at least some small part of it. Now I
> barely catch snippets of the Big Ten games. I couldn't tell you anything
> about the Cotton or Peach bowl games last year, yet alone the Fight
> Weedwackers Pizza Bowl. It seems there's a new one every year and it seems
> like the quality of teams in the games (including the B(C)S games) gets
> worse each year.
>
> As for whether they're hurting anyone, I guess that depends on your view
> of the B(C)S. :) But for now, they get NU more practice time for next year,
> and the Big Ten at least has good bowl ties and plays top-tier conferences
> to make the matchups have a shot at being worth watching.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518 at yahoo.com>
> To:
> Cc: "'nwu-sports at tssi.com'" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 9:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum says PSU deserves Bowl, but not Pitt
> (& NU)
>
> That's an interesting idea, Mike. What if non-bowl teams could start fall
> camp a week earlier and have 10 extra sessions in pads? I wonder how many
> coaches would pass on a minor bowl game.
>
> I'm with you though, I like having the option of watching the various
> bowls. This is one case where I say the free market should be free to act.
> If the bowls can't pay for themselves they will disappear and if they can
> pay for themselves they are not hurting anyone.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
> To: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com>
> Cc: "'nwu-sports at tssi.com'" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] FW: NU alum says PSU deserves Bowl, but not Pitt
> (& NU)
>
> > http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11333/1193289-87.stm
>
> Well, if you start with the premise that there are
> 'a ridiculous number of bowls', as he does,
> then concluding that 6-6 teams shouldn't be in bowl
> games is probably not unreasonable.
>
> As long as ESPN and others are willing to shell out
> for TV rights for bowl games, I don't see any meaningful
> shrinkage in the number of games.
>
> With 120 FBS teams, 35 bowl games is probably about as
> many as the current rules can handle without running
> into the risk that there aren't enough bowl-eligible
> teams to fill all the bowls.
>
> Personally, I like bowl games, because each bowl
> has its own story, even the mismatches.  And if
> college football has proven anything, it is that
> you cannot assume the favored team will win.
>
> I do, however, have concerns about the fact that 70
> out of 120 teams get extra practices.  This creates
> 'haves' and 'have nots'.
>
> Perhaps the NCAA should allow ALL 120 FBS teams to
> practice in December, not just the bowl-eligible ones.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
>
>
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 30 08:19:59 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:19:59 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
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You have to be impressed with the play in the center - with Luka and Davide putting up
some scoring numbers, and even some 3's. The guys are averaging just over 10 points a game
- you just wish they were making a higher percentage of their shots. (one 3 pointer out of
14 attempts for example.) Curletti also has a 5 to 10 Assist to TO ratio, he knows how to
give the ball away.

Alex Marcotullio is turning into another "mad bomber" (.455 from the arc) and definitely
not someone you foul at the end of the game. 

You have to wonder how Cobb will slide back into this lineup. I guess he shares time with
Hearn, and that's a good choice to have to make if Cobb is healthy and playing up to his
promise. Too bad he missed last night's game, might help us recruit some more down there.

Right now, Sobo is a pretty good replacement for Juice. He seems to understand most of the
Carmody offense, has a decent assist to TO ratio, and is pretty active on D also. What I
really like is that he seems to know how to break a press, at least the ones he's seen so
far.

All and all, these guys look to me to be like what we all hoped NU would have looked like
last year with Juice and Coble (with Shurna and Crawford adding to the mix).

And barring some EGO eruptions from the non-starters, BC looks like he's setting up for
more than just 2011-12.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
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http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:12 AM
To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)

Mirkovic's offensive play has certainly looked good early, though the level
of opposing centers will certainly increase in conference play.

And last night on D, NU stuck with man defense for much of the game and
rarely went to the 1-3-1, which they had to do in most of their previous
games after being flat out beat in their more traditional defense.  This is
encouraging, as the D certainly needed improvement this season.

Finally, regarding point guard play, Sobolewski has looked rather good and
has some nice moves to get to the basket, too.  I don't think any single
player will be able to replace Juice (particularly since he played 4,633
minutes in his NU career), but NU has been handling things pretty well so
far.

Now, of course, the huge test vs. a top 10 Baylor team (after a tuneup vs.
Miss. Valley St.).

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:32 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> A couple of observa(ions from tonight's game;
>
> 1) 'Cats seem comfortable on the road, which ia a very encouraging sign.
>  My fear was that they woukd fall apart in hostile environments without
> Juice,  Not happenin'--so far.
>
> 2) Luka is playing much more aggressively at both ends.  Can he keep it up
> when we get to B1G time?
>
> 3) If Mirko seems more intense, Carmody is jist the opposite.  He appears
> to be more relaxed, less stressed, more confident in the team he has built.
>  I noticed it watching Charleston Final,where he wore the NU athletic
> jacket, doffing the usual sport jacket.  I know ot sounds trivial--and
> probably is--but BC's affect transmits to his 12 guys, and their is a
> palpable enthusiasm on the bench whenever we make a good play--and there
> have been many to cheer about so far.
>
> 4) You win with D-Fense, and we are playing hard, and efficiently,
> blocking shots, playing the angles correctly in the passing lanes--and
> hitting the boards.  Can we sustain this as the season progresses, and we
> play stronger more skilled opponents in conference?
> Can't say yet, but at least we are on the right path.  For now, 6-0 feels
> real good.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:32:42
> To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
>
> I think I ask this every year, but do we have the best record of Big Ten
> teams in the Challenge?
>
> Either way, nice win on the road for the Cats ... dunno how the league
> will do (Michigan choked, but the Illini picked up a road win with us), but
> it's good for Carmody's team to get the W.
>
> Sure wish we could do this with the Pac 12 (or even SEC) in football. It
> would own the talk in September if you spread it out over four weekends!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 30 08:48:28 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:48:28 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
In-Reply-To: <001e01ccaf6b$254f3090$6fed91b0$@com>
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Agree that both the present and future look promising right now.

I made it out to the SB game, and although it wasn't a stellar team performance, I came away convinced that Sobo has "it"--that intensity and effort and attitude that convinced me that he'll be a good one.

As for Cobb, I'd be surprised if he isn't starting soon, assuming he avoids any more blows to the head. He can do things no one else on the team can. Hearn looks to be a nice addition to the lineup though.

Tom
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 09:19:59 
To: 'Jonathan Hodges'<j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>; <neonrye at aol.com>
Cc: 'NUSPORTS'<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)

You have to be impressed with the play in the center - with Luka and Davide putting up
some scoring numbers, and even some 3's. The guys are averaging just over 10 points a game
- you just wish they were making a higher percentage of their shots. (one 3 pointer out of
14 attempts for example.) Curletti also has a 5 to 10 Assist to TO ratio, he knows how to
give the ball away.

Alex Marcotullio is turning into another "mad bomber" (.455 from the arc) and definitely
not someone you foul at the end of the game. 

You have to wonder how Cobb will slide back into this lineup. I guess he shares time with
Hearn, and that's a good choice to have to make if Cobb is healthy and playing up to his
promise. Too bad he missed last night's game, might help us recruit some more down there.

Right now, Sobo is a pretty good replacement for Juice. He seems to understand most of the
Carmody offense, has a decent assist to TO ratio, and is pretty active on D also. What I
really like is that he seems to know how to break a press, at least the ones he's seen so
far.

All and all, these guys look to me to be like what we all hoped NU would have looked like
last year with Juice and Coble (with Shurna and Crawford adding to the mix).

And barring some EGO eruptions from the non-starters, BC looks like he's setting up for
more than just 2011-12.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:12 AM
To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)

Mirkovic's offensive play has certainly looked good early, though the level
of opposing centers will certainly increase in conference play.

And last night on D, NU stuck with man defense for much of the game and
rarely went to the 1-3-1, which they had to do in most of their previous
games after being flat out beat in their more traditional defense.  This is
encouraging, as the D certainly needed improvement this season.

Finally, regarding point guard play, Sobolewski has looked rather good and
has some nice moves to get to the basket, too.  I don't think any single
player will be able to replace Juice (particularly since he played 4,633
minutes in his NU career), but NU has been handling things pretty well so
far.

Now, of course, the huge test vs. a top 10 Baylor team (after a tuneup vs.
Miss. Valley St.).

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 10:32 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> A couple of observa(ions from tonight's game;
>
> 1) 'Cats seem comfortable on the road, which ia a very encouraging sign.
>  My fear was that they woukd fall apart in hostile environments without
> Juice,  Not happenin'--so far.
>
> 2) Luka is playing much more aggressively at both ends.  Can he keep it up
> when we get to B1G time?
>
> 3) If Mirko seems more intense, Carmody is jist the opposite.  He appears
> to be more relaxed, less stressed, more confident in the team he has built.
>  I noticed it watching Charleston Final,where he wore the NU athletic
> jacket, doffing the usual sport jacket.  I know ot sounds trivial--and
> probably is--but BC's affect transmits to his 12 guys, and their is a
> palpable enthusiasm on the bench whenever we make a good play--and there
> have been many to cheer about so far.
>
> 4) You win with D-Fense, and we are playing hard, and efficiently,
> blocking shots, playing the angles correctly in the passing lanes--and
> hitting the boards.  Can we sustain this as the season progresses, and we
> play stronger more skilled opponents in conference?
> Can't say yet, but at least we are on the right path.  For now, 6-0 feels
> real good.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:32:42
> To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
>
> I think I ask this every year, but do we have the best record of Big Ten
> teams in the Challenge?
>
> Either way, nice win on the road for the Cats ... dunno how the league
> will do (Michigan choked, but the Illini picked up a road win with us), but
> it's good for Carmody's team to get the W.
>
> Sure wish we could do this with the Pac 12 (or even SEC) in football. It
> would own the talk in September if you spread it out over four weekends!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Nov 30 09:01:39 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 10:01:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
In-Reply-To: <8CE7D7565551467-1D54-4630@webmail-m149.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1322620362.60493.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Sullinger and crew took no prisoners last night in thoroughly routing a
good Duke team.  Duke came into the game with quality wins over both UoM
and Kansas.

Duke was out of the game after the first five minutes.  There was a
brief period of time in the first half that Duke looked like maybe they
could claw their way back into the game, but OSU was way too strong.
Coach K admitted to getting a whippin' when he said that his only goal
in the second half was, "not to lose by 30."

It is a long season with plenty of twists and turns, but right now I
don't see anybody playing at the level of OSU.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of marks83588 at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 7:48 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)


 <<My 
fear was that they woukd fall apart in hostile environments without
Juice,  Not 
happenin'--so far.>>

I wouldn't draw any conclusions so far as to the ability of the Cats to
play in "hostile environments". Charleston was a neutral court, and last
night's game in Atlanta was close to a neutral court as the place was
almost empty.

Let's see how they respond at Creighton......will be a great test and an
excellent warm-up for dOSU.



-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; NUSPORTS
<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 10:32 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)


A couple of observa(ions from tonight's game;
1) 'Cats seem comfortable on the road, which ia a very encouraging sign.
My 
ear was that they woukd fall apart in hostile environments without
Juice,  Not 
appenin'--so far.
2) Luka is playing much more aggressively at both ends.  Can he keep it
up when 
e get to B1G time?
3) If Mirko seems more intense, Carmody is jist the opposite.  He
appears to be 
ore relaxed, less stressed, more confident in the team he has built.  I
noticed 
t watching Charleston Final,where he wore the NU athletic jacket,
doffing the 
sual sport jacket.  I know ot sounds trivial--and probably is--but BC's
affect 
ransmits to his 12 guys, and their is a palpable enthusiasm on the bench

henever we make a good play--and there have been many to cheer about so
far.
4) You win with D-Fense, and we are playing hard, and efficiently,
blocking 
hots, playing the angles correctly in the passing lanes--and hitting the

oards.  Can we sustain this as the season progresses, and we play
stronger more 
killed opponents in conference?  
an't say yet, but at least we are on the right path.  For now, 6-0 feels
real 
ood.
ent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
rom: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
ender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
ate: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:32:42 
o: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
eply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
ubject: [NU Sports] We own the ACC! :)
I think I ask this every year, but do we have the best record of Big Ten
teams 
n the Challenge?
Either way, nice win on the road for the Cats ... dunno how the league
will do 
Michigan choked, but the Illini picked up a road win with us), but it's
good 
or Carmody's team to get the W.
Sure wish we could do this with the Pac 12 (or even SEC) in football. It
would 
wn the talk in September if you spread it out over four weekends!
GO CATS!!!
SjT
 
 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
TEPHEN J. TRUOG
jtruog at yahoo.com
O CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
uper Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 10:13:25 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Charles Herron)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:13:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert
Message-ID: <8CE7D921FCF64D8-2270-926C@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com>

Sirs,

I am greatly in need of a basketball expert.  We are currently 6-0, with 6 more non-conference games to go.  Is it safe to assume 4-2 (losses to Baylor and Creighton), or 10-2 heading in to Big Ten play ?

We then have 18 Big Ten games.  We miss Wisconsin and Indiana in Evanston, and we miss Nebraska and Michigan State on the road.

What is our minimum conference mark to go with 10-2 in order to make the NCAA tournament ?  Is that conference mark even likely/possible ?

I.e. is 10-8 conference after 10-2 n-c, meaning 20-10, even sufficient ?  Can we do 10-8 ?

Thanks for any enlightenment.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 30 11:11:20 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:11:20 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert
In-Reply-To: <8CE7D921FCF64D8-2270-926C@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE7D921FCF64D8-2270-926C@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01ccaf83$155dff00$4019fd00$@com>

First off, I wouldn't concede the Baylor or Creighton games since these guys seem to play
to the level of their competition.

But I think that we need to win a couple more games at home, big games against people like
Ill-noise, and Indiana, then play as well away as we do on the road.

The only thing that bothers me about our coverage so far is that everyone seems to mention
that this is the year for the Wildcats. That kind of talk scares me because as soon as we
lose a Big 10 game, all the talk will be "too bad about the season."

In the past, we've proved that 20 wins doesn't get you into the tourney, but those 20 wins
didn't include any of the real biggies on the road and that is what we really need to be
able to do.

Of course winning in the last 2 weeks of February wouldn't hurt either.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Charles Herron
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:13 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert

Sirs,

I am greatly in need of a basketball expert.  We are currently 6-0, with 6 more
non-conference games to go.  Is it safe to assume 4-2 (losses to Baylor and Creighton), or
10-2 heading in to Big Ten play ?

We then have 18 Big Ten games.  We miss Wisconsin and Indiana in Evanston, and we miss
Nebraska and Michigan State on the road.

What is our minimum conference mark to go with 10-2 in order to make the NCAA tournament ?
Is that conference mark even likely/possible ?

I.e. is 10-8 conference after 10-2 n-c, meaning 20-10, even sufficient ?  Can we do 10-8 ?

Thanks for any enlightenment.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Nov 30 11:13:00 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:13:00 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert
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Can't claim to be an expert, but still have an opinion.

20 wins didn't get us in last year, but there is an expanded play-in
round this year, so maybe this year it will be enough. 

I think that we have to go 11-1 in our non-con schedule to have a
reasonable chance at a 20 win regular season.

That way we only have to go 9-9 in the conference.

But let's assume we go 10-2 (losses to Baylor and Creighton).  That
means we have to 10-8 in the conference.

Here's where I figure our 8 losses can come from. We will lose the five
games that we have with OSU, Wisky, and UoM.  That gives us 3 more
losses that can come from the remaining 13 games (6 road 7 home).  

If we are able to beat Minny, Indiana, PSU, and Iowa on the road, then
we can afford to lose to Ill and Purdue on the road and still take one
home conference loss.  I'm suggesting that we beat PSU, IL, Purdude,
UNL, Iowa, and Minny at home.  That means our one home loss is to MSU.

So here's how that schedule works out.

12/28/11 at Ohio State		L   
01/01/12 vs. Penn State   	W
01/04/12 vs. Illinois   	W
01/11/12 at Michigan   		L
01/14/12 vs. Michigan State	L   
01/18/12 at Wisconsin   	L
01/22/12 at Minnesota   	W
01/28/12 vs. Purdue   		W
02/02/12 vs. Nebraska   	W
02/05/12 at Illinois   		L
02/09/12 vs. Iowa   		W
02/12/12 at Purdue  		L
02/15/12 at Indiana   		W
02/18/12 vs. Minnesota   	W
02/21/12 vs. Michigan   	L
02/25/12 at Penn State   	W
02/29/12 vs. Ohio State   	L
03/03/12 at Iowa   		W

Big games early on this schedule from my perspective are home wins
against Ill and Purdue, and a road win at Minny.  The other big road
wins are Indiana and PSU.  

Beat Creighton and life gets easier.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Herron
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:13 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert

Sirs,

I am greatly in need of a basketball expert.  We are currently 6-0, with
6 more non-conference games to go.  Is it safe to assume 4-2 (losses to
Baylor and Creighton), or 10-2 heading in to Big Ten play ?

We then have 18 Big Ten games.  We miss Wisconsin and Indiana in
Evanston, and we miss Nebraska and Michigan State on the road.

What is our minimum conference mark to go with 10-2 in order to make the
NCAA tournament ?  Is that conference mark even likely/possible ?

I.e. is 10-8 conference after 10-2 n-c, meaning 20-10, even sufficient ?
Can we do 10-8 ?

Thanks for any enlightenment.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
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From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 11:17:16 2011
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:17:16 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert
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I'm certainly no basketball expert, but 20-10 (10-8) should be sufficient,
assuming we pick up a signature win or two along the way.  Our home games
against Illinois, MSU, and Michigan would seem to be particularly important
in building an NCAA resume.  If we drop both Baylor and Creighton or any
one of the above three, we'll probably need to steal a win against Purdue
or (gulp) OSU.

Ken Pomeroy currrently ranks us #35 overall and projects us to finish the
OOC slate at 10-1 (losing only @ Creighton), then go 9-9 in conference
during which his model predicts that we go 7-2 at home (losses to Purdue
and Ohio State) and 2-7 on the road (wins at Iowa and Penn State).

FWIW, one year ago we stood at 5-0.  Pomeroy ranked us #52 overall, and
projected at that time that we would finish the regular season 17-11
(7-11).  Our actual finish was 17-12 (7-11).




On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com> wrote:

> Sirs,
>
> I am greatly in need of a basketball expert.  We are currently 6-0, with 6
> more non-conference games to go.  Is it safe to assume 4-2 (losses to
> Baylor and Creighton), or 10-2 heading in to Big Ten play ?
>
> We then have 18 Big Ten games.  We miss Wisconsin and Indiana in Evanston,
> and we miss Nebraska and Michigan State on the road.
>
> What is our minimum conference mark to go with 10-2 in order to make the
> NCAA tournament ?  Is that conference mark even likely/possible ?
>
> I.e. is 10-8 conference after 10-2 n-c, meaning 20-10, even sufficient ?
>  Can we do 10-8 ?
>
> Thanks for any enlightenment.
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 30 12:04:23 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 18:04:23 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] How about ...
Message-ID: <357348919-1322676265-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1973001524-@b25.c29.bise6.blackberry>

... No talk of NCAA stuff for hoops until NU beats Penn State, which hasn't happened of late? 

PSU is down, I concede, but until the 'Cats can handle them I think all such talk is premature. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Nov 30 13:33:40 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:33:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C8C19@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <20111130193340.5FD8D65324@romaine.tssi.com>

> 20 wins didn't get us in last year, but there is an expanded play-in
> round this year, so maybe this year it will be enough. 

IMHO the last thing we want is to qualify for the expanded play-in,
because the 'winner' gets roughed up by the top seed.

BTW, as far as I can tell, since the NCAA went to a 64 team format,
no #1 team in a bracket has ever lost in the first round to the #16 team
in that bracket, and possibly no #2 team to a #15 team, either.  I 
think a couple of #3 teams have lost to #14 teams and a few more #4
teams to #13 teams.
--
Mike Nolan


From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 13:39:44 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 14:39:44 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert
In-Reply-To: <20111130193340.5FD8D65324@romaine.tssi.com>
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No #1 team has ever lost; there have been a couple of #2 teams that have.
Indiana may have been one of them if my memory serves correctly although
it's possible that IU was a #3 at the time.

I think if we lose only one non-conference game, being one of either Baylor
or Creighton, and go 9-9 in the conference, we should be in.  There is
enough strength at the top of the league to pull up the RPI of those teams
in the middle, plus the addition of four extra teams has to help, even
though every preseason bracket I've seen has us in the tournament, without
having to go through a play-in game.
mark
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > 20 wins didn't get us in last year, but there is an expanded play-in
> > round this year, so maybe this year it will be enough.
>
> IMHO the last thing we want is to qualify for the expanded play-in,
> because the 'winner' gets roughed up by the top seed.
>
> BTW, as far as I can tell, since the NCAA went to a 64 team format,
> no #1 team in a bracket has ever lost in the first round to the #16 team
> in that bracket, and possibly no #2 team to a #15 team, either.  I
> think a couple of #3 teams have lost to #14 teams and a few more #4
> teams to #13 teams.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Nov 30 15:05:59 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 16:05:59 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert
In-Reply-To: <20111130193340.5FD8D65324@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C8C19@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <20111130193340.5FD8D65324@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu7Q-ZicycPU0dAWWQTTJ62HNQJEuXGJ3Y79EezgTEKGDA@mail.gmail.com>

There have been at least a handful of #2 seeds to lose as well as more 3s
and 4s (some #2s that have lost in recent memory: Iowa State, Cincinnati).

Note regarding the play-in games that are referenced: the new play-in games
introduced last year are essentially at-large selections battling for a #12
seed or so (usually, the last at-large team in).  This is different than
the prior play-in game which is for a #16 seed between automatic qualifiers
(small-conference champions); such conference champs typically take up all
of the 13-16 seeds.

The preseason brackets from Jerry Palm & Joe Lunardi had NU in the 10-11
seed range.  NU has obviously played up to par so far, so we'll see how it
goes from here.  They'll certainly benefit from a solid league this year
but will need to hit at least .500 in league play as others have noted.

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:33 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > 20 wins didn't get us in last year, but there is an expanded play-in
> > round this year, so maybe this year it will be enough.
>
> IMHO the last thing we want is to qualify for the expanded play-in,
> because the 'winner' gets roughed up by the top seed.
>
> BTW, as far as I can tell, since the NCAA went to a 64 team format,
> no #1 team in a bracket has ever lost in the first round to the #16 team
> in that bracket, and possibly no #2 team to a #15 team, either.  I
> think a couple of #3 teams have lost to #14 teams and a few more #4
> teams to #13 teams.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From s-hargadon at northwestern.edu  Wed Nov 30 16:58:08 2011
From: s-hargadon at northwestern.edu (Sean Hargadon)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:58:08 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Northwestern magazine: Phillips and Ivankovich
Message-ID: <E10A9142-9FB1-4A6F-84A5-0131EDC89E72@northwestern.edu>

Thought you might be interested in two features in the new Northwestern magazine:

* In-depth profile of one-time Wildcat big man Dan Ivankovich, who had his basketball career cut short by an ACL injury. He's now an orthopedic surgeon who mends broken bones in Chicago's most underserved communities. 

http://www.northwestern.edu/magazine/winter2011/feature/bigger-than-life.html

* Profile on AD Jim Phillips. 

http://www.northwestern.edu/magazine/winter2011/feature/team-player.html

Thanks,
Sean
--
Sean Hargadon
Senior Editor
Northwestern magazine
1800 Sheridan Road
Evanston, IL 60208-1800

Phone: 847-467-6941
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From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 19:34:05 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 01:34:05 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert
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I don't see why we can't get a split against Mich., after they looked so pedestrian last night vs. Virginia.  But as I have noted before, I lack confidence in our ability to snag one W, let alone 2, vs. the Nits, who alwaya seem to have our number.
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From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:13:00 
To: Charles Herron<cherron604 at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert

Can't claim to be an expert, but still have an opinion.

20 wins didn't get us in last year, but there is an expanded play-in
round this year, so maybe this year it will be enough. 

I think that we have to go 11-1 in our non-con schedule to have a
reasonable chance at a 20 win regular season.

That way we only have to go 9-9 in the conference.

But let's assume we go 10-2 (losses to Baylor and Creighton).  That
means we have to 10-8 in the conference.

Here's where I figure our 8 losses can come from. We will lose the five
games that we have with OSU, Wisky, and UoM.  That gives us 3 more
losses that can come from the remaining 13 games (6 road 7 home).  

If we are able to beat Minny, Indiana, PSU, and Iowa on the road, then
we can afford to lose to Ill and Purdue on the road and still take one
home conference loss.  I'm suggesting that we beat PSU, IL, Purdude,
UNL, Iowa, and Minny at home.  That means our one home loss is to MSU.

So here's how that schedule works out.

12/28/11 at Ohio State		L   
01/01/12 vs. Penn State   	W
01/04/12 vs. Illinois   	W
01/11/12 at Michigan   		L
01/14/12 vs. Michigan State	L   
01/18/12 at Wisconsin   	L
01/22/12 at Minnesota   	W
01/28/12 vs. Purdue   		W
02/02/12 vs. Nebraska   	W
02/05/12 at Illinois   		L
02/09/12 vs. Iowa   		W
02/12/12 at Purdue  		L
02/15/12 at Indiana   		W
02/18/12 vs. Minnesota   	W
02/21/12 vs. Michigan   	L
02/25/12 at Penn State   	W
02/29/12 vs. Ohio State   	L
03/03/12 at Iowa   		W

Big games early on this schedule from my perspective are home wins
against Ill and Purdue, and a road win at Minny.  The other big road
wins are Indiana and PSU.  

Beat Creighton and life gets easier.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Herron
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:13 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert

Sirs,

I am greatly in need of a basketball expert.  We are currently 6-0, with
6 more non-conference games to go.  Is it safe to assume 4-2 (losses to
Baylor and Creighton), or 10-2 heading in to Big Ten play ?

We then have 18 Big Ten games.  We miss Wisconsin and Indiana in
Evanston, and we miss Nebraska and Michigan State on the road.

What is our minimum conference mark to go with 10-2 in order to make the
NCAA tournament ?  Is that conference mark even likely/possible ?

I.e. is 10-8 conference after 10-2 n-c, meaning 20-10, even sufficient ?
Can we do 10-8 ?

Thanks for any enlightenment.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 19:59:01 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 01:59:01 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert
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Wasn't it the Nits we beat in our first ever BT tournament win ?
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-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 01:34:05 
To: Beamsley, Jeff<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; Charles Herron<cherron604 at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert

I don't see why we can't get a split against Mich., after they looked so pedestrian last night vs. Virginia.  But as I have noted before, I lack confidence in our ability to snag one W, let alone 2, vs. the Nits, who alwaya seem to have our number.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:13:00 
To: Charles Herron<cherron604 at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert

Can't claim to be an expert, but still have an opinion.

20 wins didn't get us in last year, but there is an expanded play-in
round this year, so maybe this year it will be enough. 

I think that we have to go 11-1 in our non-con schedule to have a
reasonable chance at a 20 win regular season.

That way we only have to go 9-9 in the conference.

But let's assume we go 10-2 (losses to Baylor and Creighton).  That
means we have to 10-8 in the conference.

Here's where I figure our 8 losses can come from. We will lose the five
games that we have with OSU, Wisky, and UoM.  That gives us 3 more
losses that can come from the remaining 13 games (6 road 7 home).  

If we are able to beat Minny, Indiana, PSU, and Iowa on the road, then
we can afford to lose to Ill and Purdue on the road and still take one
home conference loss.  I'm suggesting that we beat PSU, IL, Purdude,
UNL, Iowa, and Minny at home.  That means our one home loss is to MSU.

So here's how that schedule works out.

12/28/11 at Ohio State		L   
01/01/12 vs. Penn State   	W
01/04/12 vs. Illinois   	W
01/11/12 at Michigan   		L
01/14/12 vs. Michigan State	L   
01/18/12 at Wisconsin   	L
01/22/12 at Minnesota   	W
01/28/12 vs. Purdue   		W
02/02/12 vs. Nebraska   	W
02/05/12 at Illinois   		L
02/09/12 vs. Iowa   		W
02/12/12 at Purdue  		L
02/15/12 at Indiana   		W
02/18/12 vs. Minnesota   	W
02/21/12 vs. Michigan   	L
02/25/12 at Penn State   	W
02/29/12 vs. Ohio State   	L
03/03/12 at Iowa   		W

Big games early on this schedule from my perspective are home wins
against Ill and Purdue, and a road win at Minny.  The other big road
wins are Indiana and PSU.  

Beat Creighton and life gets easier.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Charles Herron
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:13 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert

Sirs,

I am greatly in need of a basketball expert.  We are currently 6-0, with
6 more non-conference games to go.  Is it safe to assume 4-2 (losses to
Baylor and Creighton), or 10-2 heading in to Big Ten play ?

We then have 18 Big Ten games.  We miss Wisconsin and Indiana in
Evanston, and we miss Nebraska and Michigan State on the road.

What is our minimum conference mark to go with 10-2 in order to make the
NCAA tournament ?  Is that conference mark even likely/possible ?

I.e. is 10-8 conference after 10-2 n-c, meaning 20-10, even sufficient ?
Can we do 10-8 ?

Thanks for any enlightenment.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 20:32:31 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Charles Herron)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:32:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert
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All,

Didn't realize how positive things seemed until I looked at the Sagarin ratings.

Sagarin says that we will lose by 2 at Creighton (11-1 n-c)
Sagarin says that we will lose one home Big Ten game by 4 to OSU (8-1 conf)
Sagarin says that we will lose 5 road Big Ten games, by 11 at OSU, by 1 at Michigan, by 4 at Wisconsin, by 4 at Illinois, 

 and by 6 at Purdue (4-5 conf)

For a prediction of 23-7,12-6 - which, if we do that well, I will be delighted indeed.

Chuck Herron  Tech '85

 

 

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert


Wasn't it the Nits we beat in our first ever BT tournament win ?

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To: Beamsley, Jeff<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; 

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert



I don't see why we can't get a split against Mich., after they looked so 

pedestrian last night vs. Virginia.  But as I have noted before, I lack 

confidence in our ability to snag one W, let alone 2, vs. the Nits, who alwaya 

seem to have our number.

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Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:13:00 

To: Charles Herron<cherron604 at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>

Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert



Can't claim to be an expert, but still have an opinion.



20 wins didn't get us in last year, but there is an expanded play-in

round this year, so maybe this year it will be enough. 



I think that we have to go 11-1 in our non-con schedule to have a

reasonable chance at a 20 win regular season.



That way we only have to go 9-9 in the conference.



But let's assume we go 10-2 (losses to Baylor and Creighton).  That

means we have to 10-8 in the conference.



Here's where I figure our 8 losses can come from. We will lose the five

games that we have with OSU, Wisky, and UoM.  That gives us 3 more

losses that can come from the remaining 13 games (6 road 7 home).  



If we are able to beat Minny, Indiana, PSU, and Iowa on the road, then

we can afford to lose to Ill and Purdue on the road and still take one

home conference loss.  I'm suggesting that we beat PSU, IL, Purdude,

UNL, Iowa, and Minny at home.  That means our one home loss is to MSU.



So here's how that schedule works out.



12/28/11 at Ohio State		L   

01/01/12 vs. Penn State   	W

01/04/12 vs. Illinois   	W

01/11/12 at Michigan   		L

01/14/12 vs. Michigan State	L   

01/18/12 at Wisconsin   	L

01/22/12 at Minnesota   	W

01/28/12 vs. Purdue   		W

02/02/12 vs. Nebraska   	W

02/05/12 at Illinois   		L

02/09/12 vs. Iowa   		W

02/12/12 at Purdue  		L

02/15/12 at Indiana   		W

02/18/12 vs. Minnesota   	W

02/21/12 vs. Michigan   	L

02/25/12 at Penn State   	W

02/29/12 vs. Ohio State   	L

03/03/12 at Iowa   		W



Big games early on this schedule from my perspective are home wins

against Ill and Purdue, and a road win at Minny.  The other big road

wins are Indiana and PSU.  



Beat Creighton and life gets easier.



Jeff



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Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert



Sirs,



I am greatly in need of a basketball expert.  We are currently 6-0, with

6 more non-conference games to go.  Is it safe to assume 4-2 (losses to

Baylor and Creighton), or 10-2 heading in to Big Ten play ?



We then have 18 Big Ten games.  We miss Wisconsin and Indiana in

Evanston, and we miss Nebraska and Michigan State on the road.



What is our minimum conference mark to go with 10-2 in order to make the

NCAA tournament ?  Is that conference mark even likely/possible ?



I.e. is 10-8 conference after 10-2 n-c, meaning 20-10, even sufficient ?

Can we do 10-8 ?



Thanks for any enlightenment.



Chuck Herron   Tech '85

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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Wed Nov 30 21:16:15 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 22:16:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] How about ...
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Brad and List Friends,


   Truer words have never been spoken.  The 6 losses to Penn St. and a loss to Iowa have crippled us tremendously, and what's particularly annoying is that most of these losses occurred late in the season.
   With that said, I was checking out ticket options for NU at PSU on 2/25/11.  The fact that most of last year's team is gone and no extension for DeChellis spells "rebuild" at State, so this may be the year to solve the Penn St. mystery.


    GO CATS!!   Eric

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... No talk of NCAA stuff for hoops until NU beats Penn State, which hasn't 
happened of late? 

PSU is down, I concede, but until the 'Cats can handle them I think all such 
talk is premature. 

Brad Wilson
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From aaronsament at gmail.com  Wed Nov 30 22:37:06 2011
From: aaronsament at gmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 23:37:06 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] How about ...
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On another note..while it is early, have we ever entered Dec with an RPI in the top 10?

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/rpi/index1


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On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:16 PM, Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com> wrote:

> 
> 
> Brad and List Friends,
> 
> 
>   Truer words have never been spoken.  The 6 losses to Penn St. and a loss to Iowa have crippled us tremendously, and what's particularly annoying is that most of these losses occurred late in the season.
>   With that said, I was checking out ticket options for NU at PSU on 2/25/11.  The fact that most of last year's team is gone and no extension for DeChellis spells "rebuild" at State, so this may be the year to solve the Penn St. mystery.
> 
> 
>    GO CATS!!   Eric
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
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> Subject: [NU Sports] How about ...
> 
> 
> ... No talk of NCAA stuff for hoops until NU beats Penn State, which hasn't 
> happened of late? 
> 
> PSU is down, I concede, but until the 'Cats can handle them I think all such 
> talk is premature. 
> 
> Brad Wilson
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Nov 30 22:46:31 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 23:46:31 -0500
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Sad to say, that will be one thing the committee will hold against us - if we don't beat
State Penn we'll have a hard time getting past any other losses.

rsl

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... No talk of NCAA stuff for hoops until NU beats Penn State, which hasn't happened of
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PSU is down, I concede, but until the 'Cats can handle them I think all such talk is
premature. 

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