[NU Sports] Butler

Sun Mar 27 20:10:19 CDT 2011

> Again, I have no -- zero -- inside info. I got the same email many of the
> rest of you got asking me to take the same survey. That's all I know.

for those of us on this list not fortunate enough to be on that one,
would someone mind reposting this?

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Alan Abrahamson
<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com> wrote:
> In response to Eric's questions:
>
> Carmody has had 11 years.
>
> He was hired to get Northwestern to the tournament.
>
> Has he done so?
>
> It's not unreasonable after that many years to ask why, and to ask why not.
>
> And to ask the next question -- if we're going to keep him, why should all
> of us who are invested in the program reasonably expect next year be any
> better than the preceding 11? To say that we have all been patient would be
> -- gentle.
>
> Also, to be hard-headed about it -- if the athletic department is
> undertaking a major facilities push, and that means raising mucho dinero, is
> Carmody an asset? Just asking.
>
> Again, I have no -- zero -- inside info. I got the same email many of the
> rest of you got asking me to take the same survey. That's all I know.
>
> Let's just play what-if for a moment. If Brad Stevens were the Northwestern
> coach, do you think we would be waiting 11 years to take Northwestern to the
> NCAA tournament?
>
> Twenty wins for the past two seasons -- okay, that's nice. And it is. Those
> are benchmarks we have never seen before at NU.
>
> But it is a mark of how pathetic we have been that that's what we're talking
> about.
>
> We still aren't even .500 in conference. I mean, and again to quote Rovell,
> this has to stop.
>
> As for Fitzgerald, and him being the first Northwestern coach since Francis
> Peay to not win a share of the Big Ten title in his first four years -- I
> mean, come on. That's hilarious. The Wildcats have been to three straight
> bowl games. Dan Persa is one of the most exciting players in college
> football. There's enormous momentum around the program, and Michigan just
> made a major run at hiring Fitzgerald away.
>
> Do you see anyone making a major run at hiring Carmody away? Let me know
> when that happens, okay?
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 7:32 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:
>
>> This is good research though we probably won't know how much Butler drops
>> the academic  standards for their hoop recruits and would their hoop
>> recruits be able to be admitted at NU ?. If they could get in to NU then we
>> have to ask how we can get some of them. Obviously if they can't get in,
>> then its an unfair comparison to ask why we can't do what Butler does ?
>>
>> Harry
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:58:46
>> To: <neonrye at aol.com>; <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Butler
>>
>> My bracket is in tatters too, so it was a lot of fun to root for Butler.
>>  They are a great story, great coach, and great team with a real blue collar
>> work ethic.
>>
>> Here's some stuff about the school.
>>
>> They accept 72% of the students that apply but only 22% of those accepted
>> actually enroll, which suggests that it might be a safety school for some
>> Indiana kids.  They don't have a stated minimum SAT or ACT score, but
>> looking at the admission data they aren't accepting anyone under 400 on any
>> of the three SAT tests and under 18 on the ACT's.  They have a 55%
>> graduation rate after four years.  Total cost to attend is estimated at
>> $39,786/yr.
>>
>> By comparison, NU accepts 26% of its applicants and 32% of those accepted
>> actually enroll.  The minimum SAT scores are 500, and the minimum ACT is 24.
>>  We're graduating 86% after four years.  Total cost to attend is estimated
>> at $51,850/yr.
>>
>> When you look at their roster, it's clear that Butler is building teams
>> from good athletes who want to play close to home.  They only have three
>> players who come from more than a two hour drive from Indianapolis.  One of
>> those is the Freshman Marshall from Florida who gave the team a spark in the
>> second half.  The senior Vanzant is also from Florida.  The other is Nored
>> who is from Alabama.
>>
>> In the profiles that I've seen, this is Brad Stevens dream job.  He left a
>> high paying job to coach basketball.  The facilities are nothing special.
>>  The players don't have a high profile on campus.  It's a very hoosiers kind
>> of place and they like it that way.  He was an assistant to Thad Matta and
>> then Todd Lickliter who both left for positions in the Big Ten.
>>
>> Butler is just a good example of what you can accomplish when you recruit
>> strongly in your own state, and it happens to be a state where high school
>> basketball is THE major sport.
>>
>> Jeff
>>
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>> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of neonrye at aol.com
>> Sent: Sat 3/26/2011 10:33 PM
>> To: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Butler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read article in NY Times today that Matt Howard has 3.37 at Butler,
>> majoring, if memory serves, in Economics.  He is one of 10 children from
>> working-class family.  A great kid, according to the article.  I could see
>> their Coach pacing sideline at Welsh-Ryan--in my dreams.  No offense, Mr.
>> Carmody, but Brad Stevens--who looks like a geeky "Tech weenie"--could be
>> the man to lead us to the promised land.  Only I don't think that's ever
>> gonna happen.:-(
>>
>> Yes, Alan.  As usual, you have hit the nail on the proverbial head.
>>
>> Gotta say that although my "bracket" is in tatters, I was a happy guy today
>> with the wins by Butler and our local entry from the Big Least (as SJT loves
>> to say).   Now if VCU shocks the world, that would be sweet as well.  Not a
>> lot other than them to root for tomorrow, as Kentucky-North Carolina is
>> essentially a battle between two ridiculously successful, arrogant programs.
>>  Calipari is always one step ahead of "the law" and Williams is not my cup
>> of tea, either.  And the Jayhawks are another "empire" with history.
>>
>> It's gonna hurt Monday night not being able to go to MSG to root for the
>> 'Cats.
>>
>> Paul Levinson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
>> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Sent: Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:01 pm
>> Subject: [NU Sports] Butler
>>
>>
>> News item: Butler advances to Final Four for second straight year.
>> News item: Northwestern, for 73rd consecutive season, fails to earn a
>> id to NCAA tournament.
>> Discuss.
>> Who wants to tell me, just to jump start the conversation, that Butler
>> s recruiting superior athletes?
>> Or that Butler student-athletes couldn't hack it academically at
>> Northwestern?
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