[NU Sports] Butler

Sun Mar 27 14:46:58 CDT 2011

In response to Eric's questions:

Carmody has had 11 years.

He was hired to get Northwestern to the tournament.

Has he done so?

It's not unreasonable after that many years to ask why, and to ask why not.

And to ask the next question -- if we're going to keep him, why should all
of us who are invested in the program reasonably expect next year be any
better than the preceding 11? To say that we have all been patient would be
-- gentle.

Also, to be hard-headed about it -- if the athletic department is
undertaking a major facilities push, and that means raising mucho dinero, is
Carmody an asset? Just asking.

Again, I have no -- zero -- inside info. I got the same email many of the
rest of you got asking me to take the same survey. That's all I know.

Let's just play what-if for a moment. If Brad Stevens were the Northwestern
coach, do you think we would be waiting 11 years to take Northwestern to the
NCAA tournament?

Twenty wins for the past two seasons -- okay, that's nice. And it is. Those
are benchmarks we have never seen before at NU.

But it is a mark of how pathetic we have been that that's what we're talking
about.

We still aren't even .500 in conference. I mean, and again to quote Rovell,
this has to stop.

As for Fitzgerald, and him being the first Northwestern coach since Francis
Peay to not win a share of the Big Ten title in his first four years -- I
mean, come on. That's hilarious. The Wildcats have been to three straight
bowl games. Dan Persa is one of the most exciting players in college
football. There's enormous momentum around the program, and Michigan just
made a major run at hiring Fitzgerald away.

Do you see anyone making a major run at hiring Carmody away? Let me know
when that happens, okay?

On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 7:32 AM, <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> This is good research though we probably won't know how much Butler drops
> the academic  standards for their hoop recruits and would their hoop
> recruits be able to be admitted at NU ?. If they could get in to NU then we
> have to ask how we can get some of them. Obviously if they can't get in,
> then its an unfair comparison to ask why we can't do what Butler does ?
>
> Harry
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:58:46
> To: <neonrye at aol.com>; <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Butler
>
> My bracket is in tatters too, so it was a lot of fun to root for Butler.
>  They are a great story, great coach, and great team with a real blue collar
> work ethic.
>
> Here's some stuff about the school.
>
> They accept 72% of the students that apply but only 22% of those accepted
> actually enroll, which suggests that it might be a safety school for some
> Indiana kids.  They don't have a stated minimum SAT or ACT score, but
> looking at the admission data they aren't accepting anyone under 400 on any
> of the three SAT tests and under 18 on the ACT's.  They have a 55%
> graduation rate after four years.  Total cost to attend is estimated at
> $39,786/yr.
>
> By comparison, NU accepts 26% of its applicants and 32% of those accepted
> actually enroll.  The minimum SAT scores are 500, and the minimum ACT is 24.
>  We're graduating 86% after four years.  Total cost to attend is estimated
> at $51,850/yr.
>
> When you look at their roster, it's clear that Butler is building teams
> from good athletes who want to play close to home.  They only have three
> players who come from more than a two hour drive from Indianapolis.  One of
> those is the Freshman Marshall from Florida who gave the team a spark in the
> second half.  The senior Vanzant is also from Florida.  The other is Nored
> who is from Alabama.
>
> In the profiles that I've seen, this is Brad Stevens dream job.  He left a
> high paying job to coach basketball.  The facilities are nothing special.
>  The players don't have a high profile on campus.  It's a very hoosiers kind
> of place and they like it that way.  He was an assistant to Thad Matta and
> then Todd Lickliter who both left for positions in the Big Ten.
>
> Butler is just a good example of what you can accomplish when you recruit
> strongly in your own state, and it happens to be a state where high school
> basketball is THE major sport.
>
> Jeff
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> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of neonrye at aol.com
> Sent: Sat 3/26/2011 10:33 PM
> To: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Butler
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>
>
> Read article in NY Times today that Matt Howard has 3.37 at Butler,
> majoring, if memory serves, in Economics.  He is one of 10 children from
> working-class family.  A great kid, according to the article.  I could see
> their Coach pacing sideline at Welsh-Ryan--in my dreams.  No offense, Mr.
> Carmody, but Brad Stevens--who looks like a geeky "Tech weenie"--could be
> the man to lead us to the promised land.  Only I don't think that's ever
> gonna happen.:-(
>
> Yes, Alan.  As usual, you have hit the nail on the proverbial head.
>
> Gotta say that although my "bracket" is in tatters, I was a happy guy today
> with the wins by Butler and our local entry from the Big Least (as SJT loves
> to say).   Now if VCU shocks the world, that would be sweet as well.  Not a
> lot other than them to root for tomorrow, as Kentucky-North Carolina is
> essentially a battle between two ridiculously successful, arrogant programs.
>  Calipari is always one step ahead of "the law" and Williams is not my cup
> of tea, either.  And the Jayhawks are another "empire" with history.
>
> It's gonna hurt Monday night not being able to go to MSG to root for the
> 'Cats.
>
> Paul Levinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Sat, Mar 26, 2011 10:01 pm
> Subject: [NU Sports] Butler
>
>
> News item: Butler advances to Final Four for second straight year.
> News item: Northwestern, for 73rd consecutive season, fails to earn a
> id to NCAA tournament.
> Discuss.
> Who wants to tell me, just to jump start the conversation, that Butler
> s recruiting superior athletes?
> Or that Butler student-athletes couldn't hack it academically at
> Northwestern?
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