From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sat Jan  1 08:25:55 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Sat Jan  1 08:26:24 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz and Paterno
Message-ID: <AANLkTimyqw+g-G53vUpVxHodXAAxOq+oZ=0p_ux8GoUR@mail.gmail.com>

Remember the talk about Fitz perhaps being Paterno's successor if and when
Joe Pa ever decides to retire?  Well, here's a quote from Fitz that should
warm all your hearts as you get yourself ready for bowl action:

?I aspire to be Joe Paterno,? Fitzgerald said earlier this month. ?I?d love
to be able to be here my entire carer and have the success he?s had."

The source is the world renown online
edition<http://lubbockonline.com/sports-red-raiders-football/2010-12-31/fiery-coach-fitzgerald-it-long-haul-wildcats>of
the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal.


Hoping for the first bowl win in my lifetime,

Mark
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 08:42:13 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 08:42:42 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Assurance of Victory
In-Reply-To: <000301cba820$52eb18f0$f8c14ad0$@com>
References: <000301cba820$52eb18f0$f8c14ad0$@com>
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   I'm pulling out all the stops to insure our bowl drought ends today.  My holy NU sweatshirt is on (named as such because its...well...holey. Purchased in 1995).  Purple socks have been washed (Thank God) and donned, and to "cap" it off, I'm wearing the rare and elusive NU hat signed by Lance Clelland,  with the obnoxious purple foam wild cat hat.   
   Vince Browne needs to put Potts on his backside a few times, and as Pat would say, we need to respect the football; no turnovers means less chances for Tech, more chances for NU.  I'm worried about Tech, but the month of to re-group will help our beleaguered team.  A deserved 9.5 underdog ,  the boys will be ready today.  I think our defense will "like the change,"  this is no Wisconsin, and we don't have Leshore and Schteelhause(sp.?) to worry about, I;m calling for a win in a bowl game for the 1st time since the Motor City Bowl; a loss but we got close.
We should also be buoyed by Illinois and Ioa, especially our buddies from Ioa, who didn't read the article that said they were supposed to lose.  I got a weird feeling about this game that were going to kick some Red Raider tail.   Cats 31 Tech 17. 


                 GO CATS                      Eric





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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 30, 2010 7:51 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Chat during the Bowl Game


http://client1.addonchat.com/sc.php?id=122893

Will also be in there for the Perdoo game Friday night on ESPN2

rsl

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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 09:03:03 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 09:01:39 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Assurance of Victory
In-Reply-To: <8CD77D93673B995-DE4-791AA@Webmail-d117.sysops.aol.com>
References: <000301cba820$52eb18f0$f8c14ad0$@com><8CD77D93673B995-DE4-791AA@Webmail-d117.sysops.aol.com>
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I agree with Eric that turnovers (or, more to the point, lack thereof) will be critical to success today.  I add to that (a) good special teams play (to pick up all possible points on FG's and PAT's and to ensure decent field position throughout) and (b) a good start, so we don't fall way behind early (like Outback) and have to abandon what little running game we are able to muster.

Go 'Cats!

Happy New Year gang,

Paul
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Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2011 09:42:13 
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Subject: [NU Sports] Assurance of Victory

   I'm pulling out all the stops to insure our bowl drought ends today.  My holy NU sweatshirt is on (named as such because its...well...holey. Purchased in 1995).  Purple socks have been washed (Thank God) and donned, and to "cap" it off, I'm wearing the rare and elusive NU hat signed by Lance Clelland,  with the obnoxious purple foam wild cat hat.   
   Vince Browne needs to put Potts on his backside a few times, and as Pat would say, we need to respect the football; no turnovers means less chances for Tech, more chances for NU.  I'm worried about Tech, but the month of to re-group will help our beleaguered team.  A deserved 9.5 underdog ,  the boys will be ready today.  I think our defense will "like the change,"  this is no Wisconsin, and we don't have Leshore and Schteelhause(sp.?) to worry about, I;m calling for a win in a bowl game for the 1st time since the Motor City Bowl; a loss but we got close.
We should also be buoyed by Illinois and Ioa, especially our buddies from Ioa, who didn't read the article that said they were supposed to lose.  I got a weird feeling about this game that were going to kick some Red Raider tail.   Cats 31 Tech 17. 


                 GO CATS                      Eric





-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 30, 2010 7:51 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Chat during the Bowl Game


http://client1.addonchat.com/sc.php?id=122893

Will also be in there for the Perdoo game Friday night on ESPN2

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 09:10:22 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 09:10:28 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Assurance of Victory
Message-ID: <207c1.2d6477d5.3a509dde@aol.com>

Happy New Year all, a good season (Iowa win) bummed out by a fatal  flaw, 
the dreaded Achilles heel, with a chance at a historic first bowl  victory. I 
think Fitz will have the CATS!!! ready. GO CATS  !!!!! 
From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 09:45:57 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 09:44:16 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Assurance of Victory
Message-ID: <395126258-1293896637-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-510677417-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

If anyone is there and has a moment now or during the game ,please pass along any thoughts. Would love to hear some insights from Cat fans on the ground !

HNY to all

Harry
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Sent: Jan 1, 2011 7:10 AM

Happy New Year all, a good season (Iowa win) bummed out by a fatal  flaw, 
the dreaded Achilles heel, with a chance at a historic first bowl  victory. I 
think Fitz will have the CATS!!! ready. GO CATS  !!!!! 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  1 10:26:49 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan  1 10:24:49 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Chat during game
Message-ID: <001501cba9d0$b105cc30$13116490$@com>

Yes - the old chat room is still up.

http://client1.addonchat.com/sc.php?id=122893


will be around all during the game

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========

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================================================



From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sat Jan  1 10:45:43 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sat Jan  1 10:45:51 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Assurance of Victory
In-Reply-To: <207c1.2d6477d5.3a509dde@aol.com>
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Believe it or not -- will be on Interstate 15 throughout. Heading home
from Park City (temp -11 and feels colder). All updates gratefully
acknowledged and appreciated.

Go Wildcats!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 1, 2011, at 8:10 AM, "MHRJGScott@aol.com" <MHRJGScott@aol.com> wrote:

> Happy New Year all, a good season (Iowa win) bummed out by a fatal  flaw,
> the dreaded Achilles heel, with a chance at a historic first bowl  victory. I
> think Fitz will have the CATS!!! ready. GO CATS  !!!!!
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From r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jan  1 10:58:16 2011
From: r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net (Roger Beckwith)
Date: Sat Jan  1 10:57:26 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitzgerald on WGN
Message-ID: <80E7B598-7009-415A-A95E-A5443E79E50E@sbcglobal.net>


Neither Trumpy nor T Jones will play. "Better for their long term recovery."  Won't matter - Cats win. 

Roger 


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 11:41:12 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 11:41:15 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] First quarter ...
Message-ID: <577051.99747.qm@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

- The good first: Loved our opening series. We moved the ball, had a nice mix of plays and were an over-anxious throw from extending it further. But we were moving the ball on the Raiders pretty easily.

- After that, though, UGH! The series inside the 5 should have been when they brought in Colter ... but instead we survive (despite an ill-timed QB run with Watkins and near disaster fumble by Adonis) that and then they ruin Watkins' momentum by switching QBs on the third series for a 3-and-out??? Pretty weak play calling on those 2nd and 3rd series - bad calls, bad personnel, etc.

- Special teams just sucked. What happened to our punter??? Awful. We'd be better off going for it from now on.

- The defense is the same sloppy one we saw the last two games - WAAAAAY too soft in secondary coverage, too jumpy on the line and they're starting to get chewed up by Tech.

We've got good field position and need a score on this drive or a turnover to change the momentum FAST. Much like the Illinois game, I'm not worried about Watkins right now - it's the other 20 or so players who need to STEP UP!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 11:52:03 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 11:52:05 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Just asking ...
Message-ID: <23421.20613.qm@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Do our secondary players know that there's no halo rule for receivers and that you can, in fact, be within 10 yards of them during a play?

Also, here's a wild new approach for defensive linemen - WATCH THE FRICKIN' BALL ON A SNAP!!! WHEN IT MOVES, THEN YOU CAN MOVE!!!

UGH!!!

Between our lazy defensive play, awful punting and puzzling offensive play calling, this is not a good start to 2011.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 12:35:46 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 12:36:03 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] At the half ...
Message-ID: <991585.94841.qm@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

As a longtime NU fan, it takes more than being on the losing end of a score to get me down at halftime. This game has done it.

I am dismayed at a defense that has fallen apart over the last couple games - the secondary knows nothing but soft coverage, the line is jumping offsides way too many times for a smart team and the linebackers are focusing more on ripping the ball away than tackling.

I am disgusted at our special teams - pathetic punts all day, a botched PAT snap and a kickoff return that was almost fumbled.

I am disappointed at our offensive play calling -- not the QBs, but the lack of rhythm we have. We can move the ball against this defense, but we just have no consistency, too many stupid mistakes that kill drives and I just don't think McCall has anything in his plan besides the QB switch.

All I can say is that Dan Persa is clearly the Big Ten MVP, because he apparently made not just the offense better, but the defense and special teams as well. The struggles on offense are understandable - and actually not that bad today. The struggles elsewhere are inexcusable.

I hope Coach Fitz saved one heck of a speech for halftime, because this is not Northwestern football. Like I said, we're underdogs and we're playing a lot of freshmen, so it's not the score - it's the false starts, the lack of any semblance of secondary coverage, the sloppiness on both sides of the ball, the special teams debacle, the lack of passion ...

WAKE UP CATS!!!
- SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 12:39:11 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 12:39:51 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] At the half ...
In-Reply-To: <991585.94841.qm@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <991585.94841.qm@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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    Our defense can't stop a high school team; zilcho pass rush. Yuch.    Eric




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From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 1, 2011 1:35 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] At the half ...


As a longtime NU fan, it takes more than being on the losing end of a score to 
get me down at halftime. This game has done it.

I am dismayed at a defense that has fallen apart over the last couple games - 
the secondary knows nothing but soft coverage, the line is jumping offsides way 
too many times for a smart team and the linebackers are focusing more on ripping 
the ball away than tackling.

I am disgusted at our special teams - pathetic punts all day, a botched PAT snap 
and a kickoff return that was almost fumbled.

I am disappointed at our offensive play calling -- not the QBs, but the lack of 
rhythm we have. We can move the ball against this defense, but we just have no 
consistency, too many stupid mistakes that kill drives and I just don't think 
McCall has anything in his plan besides the QB switch.

All I can say is that Dan Persa is clearly the Big Ten MVP, because he 
apparently made not just the offense better, but the defense and special teams 
as well. The struggles on offense are understandable - and actually not that bad 
today. The struggles elsewhere are inexcusable.

I hope Coach Fitz saved one heck of a speech for halftime, because this is not 
Northwestern football. Like I said, we're underdogs and we're playing a lot of 
freshmen, so it's not the score - it's the false starts, the lack of any 
semblance of secondary coverage, the sloppiness on both sides of the ball, the 
special teams debacle, the lack of passion ...

WAKE UP CATS!!!
- SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Jan  1 12:41:01 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Jan  1 12:41:06 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] At the half
Message-ID: <FAB8DAEC846E4829A7FFB552966186BB@DennisMachine>

Depressing.  We are toothless Wildcats making stupid mistakes and senseless penalties.  Watkins' performance is disappointing given that he is no longer a total rookie and has had plenty of practice time.  Our best pass receive is negated not because the defense has stopped him, but because our quarterbacks can't get him the ball.  Our offensive line hasn't improved much since Illinois and Wisconsin.  Tech's passing offense is negating any pass rush we may have with dink-and-dunkers that our soft defense obligingly gives them free of charge.  Suck it up, Mick.  Play your pass defenders tight in the second half.  Lord knows you have nothing to lose.  Barring a miracle, we must suffer through yet another New Year's loss that will do nothing for our recruiting except hurt it.
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 12:41:18 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 12:41:26 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Just asking ...
Message-ID: <388b1.75d09a6d.3a50cf4d@aol.com>

Pathetic, so far, on another note the Announcers said correctly that we won 
 the 1949 Rose bowl, so why do we get the "never won a bowl "  tag
From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 12:48:33 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 12:47:06 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] At the half ...
In-Reply-To: <8CD77FA50FDD5F3-1808-824@webmail-d016.sysops.aol.com>
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When we let them deive for TD after we scored, I was very worried.  Now I am depressed.  We have no D at this point.  

Question:  Why is Coach Hank upstairs in the box?
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    Our defense can't stop a high school team; zilcho pass rush. Yuch.    Eric




-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 1, 2011 1:35 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] At the half ...


As a longtime NU fan, it takes more than being on the losing end of a score to 
get me down at halftime. This game has done it.

I am dismayed at a defense that has fallen apart over the last couple games - 
the secondary knows nothing but soft coverage, the line is jumping offsides way 
too many times for a smart team and the linebackers are focusing more on ripping 
the ball away than tackling.

I am disgusted at our special teams - pathetic punts all day, a botched PAT snap 
and a kickoff return that was almost fumbled.

I am disappointed at our offensive play calling -- not the QBs, but the lack of 
rhythm we have. We can move the ball against this defense, but we just have no 
consistency, too many stupid mistakes that kill drives and I just don't think 
McCall has anything in his plan besides the QB switch.

All I can say is that Dan Persa is clearly the Big Ten MVP, because he 
apparently made not just the offense better, but the defense and special teams 
as well. The struggles on offense are understandable - and actually not that bad 
today. The struggles elsewhere are inexcusable.

I hope Coach Fitz saved one heck of a speech for halftime, because this is not 
Northwestern football. Like I said, we're underdogs and we're playing a lot of 
freshmen, so it's not the score - it's the false starts, the lack of any 
semblance of secondary coverage, the sloppiness on both sides of the ball, the 
special teams debacle, the lack of passion ...

WAKE UP CATS!!!
- SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 12:46:56 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 12:47:11 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] As long as I'm in this mood ...
Message-ID: <587819.58258.qm@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... DEATH TO THE BCS!!!

Seriously, a big thank you to the B(C)S and ESPN for completely screwing up what USED to be the greatest day in sports.

Instead of staggering the Cotton/Outback, then Citrus/Gator, then Fiesta/Rose and then Sugar/Orange for a day of pigskin perfection ... we now get:

* A cluster#@*k of Florida bowls at noon Wildcat time with teams from the same conferences (how the Citrus let their "last before the B(C)S slot slip away is beyond me)

* A revolting Rose Bowl with the Smug Smirk of Cheddarland against a team that is not just a non Big Ten/Pac 10 team (that was ruined a decade ago by the Cartel morons), but now a team that isn't even in the major conferences!

* A nightcap that's sure to put you to sleep as we get the Oklahoma "we suck at the B(C)S worse than Ohio State but get none of the heat Tressel does" Sooners against some team that lost to Temple and the 7th place Big Ten team this year. Snoozers. Thank goodness the hockey game was moved to the evening.

Thanks again, B(C)S and ESPN Cartel. Bowl Day used to be awesome.

You guys truly suck and my new year's resolution will be to watch your inevitable demise with unabashed glee and celebration.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 12:48:33 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 12:48:35 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Just asking ...
In-Reply-To: <388b1.75d09a6d.3a50cf4d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <448620.3869.qm@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Tuberville basically said at the halftime interview that they abandoned the run because NU's corners were playing so far off that they can get 7 yards off of every play on a short pass.

UGH!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================



      

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 12:51:09 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 12:49:15 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] At the half ...
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No question in my mind that this confirms Persa's value. He could move the chains with his running and keep our D off the field. We are lacking both.  Throw in special teams pathetic play and bad ball handling and it  doesn't leave much to be optimistic about

Harry
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Subject: [NU Sports] At the half ...

As a longtime NU fan, it takes more than being on the losing end of a score to get me down at halftime. This game has done it.

I am dismayed at a defense that has fallen apart over the last couple games - the secondary knows nothing but soft coverage, the line is jumping offsides way too many times for a smart team and the linebackers are focusing more on ripping the ball away than tackling.

I am disgusted at our special teams - pathetic punts all day, a botched PAT snap and a kickoff return that was almost fumbled.

I am disappointed at our offensive play calling -- not the QBs, but the lack of rhythm we have. We can move the ball against this defense, but we just have no consistency, too many stupid mistakes that kill drives and I just don't think McCall has anything in his plan besides the QB switch.

All I can say is that Dan Persa is clearly the Big Ten MVP, because he apparently made not just the offense better, but the defense and special teams as well. The struggles on offense are understandable - and actually not that bad today. The struggles elsewhere are inexcusable.

I hope Coach Fitz saved one heck of a speech for halftime, because this is not Northwestern football. Like I said, we're underdogs and we're playing a lot of freshmen, so it's not the score - it's the false starts, the lack of any semblance of secondary coverage, the sloppiness on both sides of the ball, the special teams debacle, the lack of passion ...

WAKE UP CATS!!!
- SjT

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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 12:50:51 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Jan  1 12:50:56 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] At the half ...
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So far the best part of 2011 lies somewhere between Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and 
Harpoon Winter Lager. 

I am not paid to be a coach, but I am not a fan of rotating quarterbacks every 
other play. 

Go Cats!
Jim




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When we let them deive for TD after we scored, I was very worried.  Now I am 
depressed.  We have no D at this point.  


Question:  Why is Coach Hank upstairs in the box?
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    Our defense can't stop a high school team; zilcho pass rush. Yuch.    Eric




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Subject: [NU Sports] At the half ...


As a longtime NU fan, it takes more than being on the losing end of a score to 
get me down at halftime. This game has done it.

I am dismayed at a defense that has fallen apart over the last couple games - 
the secondary knows nothing but soft coverage, the line is jumping offsides way 
too many times for a smart team and the linebackers are focusing more on ripping 

the ball away than tackling.

I am disgusted at our special teams - pathetic punts all day, a botched PAT snap 

and a kickoff return that was almost fumbled.

I am disappointed at our offensive play calling -- not the QBs, but the lack of 
rhythm we have. We can move the ball against this defense, but we just have no 
consistency, too many stupid mistakes that kill drives and I just don't think 
McCall has anything in his plan besides the QB switch.

All I can say is that Dan Persa is clearly the Big Ten MVP, because he 
apparently made not just the offense better, but the defense and special teams 
as well. The struggles on offense are understandable - and actually not that bad 

today. The struggles elsewhere are inexcusable.

I hope Coach Fitz saved one heck of a speech for halftime, because this is not 
Northwestern football. Like I said, we're underdogs and we're playing a lot of 
freshmen, so it's not the score - it's the false starts, the lack of any 
semblance of secondary coverage, the sloppiness on both sides of the ball, the 
special teams debacle, the lack of passion ...

WAKE UP CATS!!!
- SjT

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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 13:30:58 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 13:31:01 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Has Coach Hankwitz ...
Message-ID: <843059.49016.qm@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... been replaced for the last couple games by Jerry Brown or Greg Meyer (because he just sucked so much)?

We FINALLY figure out that we can move the ball on offense (Adonis+Kane = Nice combo for the future!) but then we let Tech dink and dunk us on offense.

You can pressure the QB.
You can play tight coverage.
But doing neither is just maddening.

Our defensive plan seems to be hoping for drops or trying to rip the football away after a 20 yard gain (15 after the catch).

UGH!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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==========================


      

From kmaresco at covlife.org  Sat Jan  1 13:35:36 2011
From: kmaresco at covlife.org (Kenneth Maresco)
Date: Sat Jan  1 13:37:11 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] The secondary
Message-ID: <5D01825D-AA32-42E8-86AD-817D4E2CDD9F@covlife.org>

Granted there has been zero pressure on Potts, but Mabin can't cover or tackle. Good riddance. What a disappointing career after looking promising early on. And Peters has blown several huge plays/tackles!  This looks like a Colby work...

Sent from my iPhone
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 13:45:32 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 13:45:35 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] You know what ...
Message-ID: <402572.45413.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... despite atrocious defense and special teams
... despite waiting until the 3rd quarter to figure out an offense
... despite snoozing the entire first half

... we're still very much in this game somehow as we head to the fourth.

I feel like Charlie Brown heading towards Lucy's football - but with Coach Fitz pumped on the sidelines, I say bring on the fourth quarter!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 13:58:17 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 13:58:31 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Say what you want about NU ...
Message-ID: <198360.52574.qm@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... we sure do give the bowl folk entertaining games and their money's worth.

COME ON D!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

From kmaresco at covlife.org  Sat Jan  1 13:58:38 2011
From: kmaresco at covlife.org (Kenneth Maresco)
Date: Sat Jan  1 13:58:49 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Down 7! 
Message-ID: <92113A1C-1701-4768-8BCC-FCA0AB686DA3@covlife.org>

Can they do it? No explosion plays...let's get a couple of stops right now! 

Sent from my iPhone
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 14:07:05 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:05:23 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Down 7!
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God, where is Sherrick when we need a pick so badly?
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Subject: [NU Sports] Down 7! 

Can they do it? No explosion plays...let's get a couple of stops right now! 

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From kmaresco at covlife.org  Sat Jan  1 14:12:31 2011
From: kmaresco at covlife.org (Kenneth Maresco)
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:12:55 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Down 7!
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Our secondary is enjoying watching the tech offense play catch. Sherrick we miss thee...

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On Jan 1, 2011, at 3:06 PM, "neonrye@aol.com" <neonrye@aol.com> wrote:

> God, where is Sherrick when we need a pick so badly?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> Subject: [NU Sports] Down 7! 
> 
> Can they do it? No explosion plays...let's get a couple of stops right now! 
> 
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sat Jan  1 14:13:27 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:13:47 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Down 7!
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Middle of Utah wilderness - I check in - go Cats!


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On Jan 1, 2011, at 1:05 PM, "neonrye@aol.com" <neonrye@aol.com> wrote:

> God, where is Sherrick when we need a pick so badly?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
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> Subject: [NU Sports] Down 7!
>
> Can they do it? No explosion plays...let's get a couple of stops right now!
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 14:14:15 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:14:31 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] I'm not a defensive coordinator ...
Message-ID: <11151.14804.qm@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... but I would think that when you blitz, you shouldn't have your cornerback play 10 yards off since any throw would be a quick one.

Probably not a good idea to tip off your blitz 10 seconds before the snap so the QB can see the soft coverage and pick a receiver, either.

Ugh.

Onside kicks from now on.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - What is up with the Cotton Bowl field? So many injuries on both sides today.


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Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 14:18:27 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:16:45 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Down 7!
In-Reply-To: <92113A1C-1701-4768-8BCC-FCA0AB686DA3@covlife.org>
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Potts could read War and Peace, followed by Anna Karennina, and still have time to pick up hia 4th option.
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Subject: [NU Sports] Down 7! 

Can they do it? No explosion plays...let's get a couple of stops right now! 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 14:23:16 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:23:31 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Well ...
Message-ID: <426487.84356.qm@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... I have absolutely no confidence in our defense stopping Tech after punting with six minutes left and down 14 (play calling on that last series ... meh).

On the plus side, Colter/Marks/Adonis looked good today as freshmen and should bode well for the NU offense in the future (with Persa next year and beyond).

Now we gotta get Persa back, reintroduce Dunsmore and Ebert into the offense and FIND A FRICKIN' DEFENSE AND PUNTER for next year. That and learn to show up at a bowl game before getting down by 21 or so.

Check that, we just picked it off (WOW?!?!?!) and ran it back.

There's still time ... onside kick???

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 14:24:27 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:24:30 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Mabin ...
Message-ID: <249544.70898.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... wow. Great play.

How the heck are we still in this game???

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From kmaresco at covlife.org  Sat Jan  1 14:24:36 2011
From: kmaresco at covlife.org (Kenneth Maresco)
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:25:07 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Down 7!
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Ok I take it back...great play Mabin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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On Jan 1, 2011, at 3:20 PM, "neonrye@aol.com" <neonrye@aol.com> wrote:

> Potts could read War and Peace, followed by Anna Karennina, and still have time to pick up hia 4th option.
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> Subject: [NU Sports] Down 7! 
> 
> Can they do it? No explosion plays...let's get a couple of stops right now! 
> 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 14:31:45 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:31:49 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Shoulda onside kicked ...
Message-ID: <976361.23261.qm@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... couple of generous spots on that last drive, but still can't get a darn stop on defense.

Nice comeback and nice play by the freshmen on offense - but we can't dig these holes all the time and we really have some problems on defense.

Love the fight though, just wish it would come earlier.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 14:44:51 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 14:44:54 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowls ...
Message-ID: <482614.97824.qm@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Heck, if Alabama (or Iowa for that matter) played like they did in the bowl all season, they'd be back in the B(C)S.

No real surprises so far for the Big Ten in bowls ...

* IOWA had their A team show up (despite suspending some A team players) and got a nice win

* ILLINOIS had the good team show up as well and rolled

* NORTHWESTERN was undermanned, dug an early hole and put together a furious rally to fall just short ... again :(

* PENN STATE came out well-prepared as always under JoePa and is giving Florida  a game in a "pick 'em" for Urban's second annual retirement tearfest

* MICHIGAN STATE ran into an Alabama team that should be playing for the title if they had lived up to their talent all year - ouch!

* MICHIGAN is the one real surprise so far, as we knew their defense was horrendous, but at least I thought they'd score

So as we pretty much said entering bowl season, we were underdogs in pretty much every bowl but the B(C)S ones - and if the Badgers and Buckeyes do what they're capable of doing, the other games will be forgotten.

* WISCONSIN should stomp TCU unless they get behind early and have to get out of their running game

* OHIO STATE should win if they play like the preseason #2 team ... but if they get distracted with their off-field troubles, we'll see.

Go Nittany Lions and Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Jan  1 15:30:17 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Jan  1 15:30:24 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
Message-ID: <CBC850AFD2A245F88D00F012E26BD77F@DennisMachine>

At last it's over.  Another damn loss in a bowl game, although hardly unexpected.  Three and a half hours of Chinese water torture watching the Texas Tech quarterback play an easy game of pitch-and-catch with his receivers.  Not surprisingly, the one interception we had was while playing tight coverage - and a good play by Mabin.  Our defensive line was downright awful all season, and they got worse as the year went on.  Not one blessed sack all day and only sixteen for the entire year and nary a hurry or a knock-down today.  Even when TT had to run out the clock, the D-line still allowed two critical first downs.  Against a weak defense our offense made a nice comeback, but it only served to make our latest bowl loss even more tortuous to watch.  With Persa, we win.  But my God, folks.  We have to better than one player, even a quarterback.  TALENT.  We need more football TALENT, especially in both lines and at running back.  I know how some of hate hearing that, but it's a fact.  I am sick to death hearing how we can't match up with our opponents.  It's true, but I'm fed up hearing it.

After today's game, I believe our number two QB might have to be named Colter, not Watkins, who doesn't seem comfortable in the spread offense.  And Adonis Smith needs an injection of anti-fumble serum.

Get well, Hunter (my grandson's name), and come back to us well and healthy next season.
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  1 15:40:58 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan  1 15:39:08 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
In-Reply-To: <CBC850AFD2A245F88D00F012E26BD77F@DennisMachine>
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IMHO, Colter is #2 right now, but he needs to work on his conditioning. He pulled himself
out at least once because he was winded. Another reason why you rarely play true frosh in
skill positions (besides RB)

If you think NU needs more talent, then it's time for you to start scouting your local HS
teams for good ball players with grades.

Instead of complaining about lack of talent, send the details of these players to the NU
recruiting office - they will follow up!

Why we couldn't stop the short routes is beyond me, but it seemed like Potts had an awful
lot of time to make throws. Give Watkins :30 and he completes those short routes also.
Someone made reference to the ability to read Russian novels during plays by Tech. It sure
seemed that way.

Go Cats.

rsl



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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
W. Brandt
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2011 4:30 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over

At last it's over.  Another damn loss in a bowl game, although hardly unexpected.  Three
and a half hours of Chinese water torture watching the Texas Tech quarterback play an easy
game of pitch-and-catch with his receivers.  Not surprisingly, the one interception we had
was while playing tight coverage - and a good play by Mabin.  Our defensive line was
downright awful all season, and they got worse as the year went on.  Not one blessed sack
all day and only sixteen for the entire year and nary a hurry or a knock-down today.  Even
when TT had to run out the clock, the D-line still allowed two critical first downs.
Against a weak defense our offense made a nice comeback, but it only served to make our
latest bowl loss even more tortuous to watch.  With Persa, we win.  But my God, folks.  We
have to better than one player, even a quarterback.  TALENT.  We need more football
TALENT, especially in both lines and at running back.  I know how some of hate hearing
that, but it's a fact.  I am sick to death hearing how we can't match up with our
opponents.  It's true, but I'm fed up hearing it.

After today's game, I believe our number two QB might have to be named Colter, not
Watkins, who doesn't seem comfortable in the spread offense.  And Adonis Smith needs an
injection of anti-fumble serum.

Get well, Hunter (my grandson's name), and come back to us well and healthy next season.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  1 15:50:44 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan  1 15:48:41 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] New Year's Day not so good for the Big 10/11/11.5
Message-ID: <000101cba9fd$f12f73b0$d38e5b10$@com>

NU, MSU, UM and State Penn all losers so far.

It's up to dOSU and Wiscy to carry the Big 10 Flag, altho the "new" logo isn't doing all
that well so far - 2-4?

rsl

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Jan  1 16:21:02 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat Jan  1 16:21:13 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
References: <CBC850AFD2A245F88D00F012E26BD77F@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA04B7FF6E@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

you MUST have been watching a different game than me.
 
We lost.
 
Big deal.
 
Nobody at halftime would have given this team a snowball's chance in hell to have the ball with a chance to win at the end of the game. Yet there they we were.
 
This is a young team that was on the verge of getting blown out.  Instead they were able to reach down and find something that will make them a very good team next year.  
 
Hurt recruiting?  
 
Are you serious?
 
If you are a smart football player, which team to do you want to be a part of?  Tech just because they managed to win the game or NU because there is clearly something special going on here?
 
I hate losing as much as anyone.  Just ask my wife.
 
But we were 10+ point dogs in this game with a defense that fell apart at the end of the season and a leaderless offense that struggled to make first downs. Not only did we lose Persa but also Trumpy.  These guys had every reason in the world to pack it in and hope for better luck next year.  They didn't.  Instead they went out an found a way to climb back into the game and put themselves in a position to win it.
 
I don't know when we will win a bowl game, but I'm confident that we'll have another chance next year.
 
What I do know is that our recruiting has improved every year even with our string of bowl loses. 
 
So one of these years we will get this particular monkey off our back.
 
In the meantime, I continue to be very proud of these kids and their "never say die" spirit.
 
Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Sat 1/1/2011 4:30 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over



At last it's over.  Another damn loss in a bowl game, although hardly unexpected.  Three and a half hours of Chinese water torture watching the Texas Tech quarterback play an easy game of pitch-and-catch with his receivers.  Not surprisingly, the one interception we had was while playing tight coverage - and a good play by Mabin.  Our defensive line was downright awful all season, and they got worse as the year went on.  Not one blessed sack all day and only sixteen for the entire year and nary a hurry or a knock-down today.  Even when TT had to run out the clock, the D-line still allowed two critical first downs.  Against a weak defense our offense made a nice comeback, but it only served to make our latest bowl loss even more tortuous to watch.  With Persa, we win.  But my God, folks.  We have to better than one player, even a quarterback.  TALENT.  We need more football TALENT, especially in both lines and at running back.  I know how some of hate hearing that, but it's a fact.  I am sick to death hearing how we can't match up with our opponents.  It's true, but I'm fed up hearing it.

After today's game, I believe our number two QB might have to be named Colter, not Watkins, who doesn't seem comfortable in the spread offense.  And Adonis Smith needs an injection of anti-fumble serum.

Get well, Hunter (my grandson's name), and come back to us well and healthy next season.
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 16:26:21 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 16:27:00 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over: Grab a Snickers,
	this one will "take awhile"
In-Reply-To: <CBC850AFD2A245F88D00F012E26BD77F@DennisMachine>
References: <CBC850AFD2A245F88D00F012E26BD77F@DennisMachine>
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   Dennis and List Friends,


    Not sure when and how our defense regressed.  Maybe they looked too good against Central Michigan, Vandy, etc., but then they were supposed to, right?  I will try to not single individual players out as they aren't professionals, and its unfair to blame the 2010 Cats defense on 15 years combined bowl frustration. Imagine Fitz's angst; he's been here for 6 of the 8.
    I hear what Steve is saying. The last 3 games look like Greg Colby swiss-cheese wannabees.  Lousy tackling. Check. 7 yard gaps of DB's guarding WR's vs. a dink and dunk offense. Check. Crappy, shitty penalties. Check.(all on defense, none on offense?)
    On offense I could complain about Colter running out of gas or Watkins struggling with consistency,  but we were playing with guys who are expected to start in 2012.  I thought 38 points was outstanding.  We ran the ball well; a bit surprised we didn't see more of Jacob Schmidt, but Adonis looked pretty good.  We also put the kibosh on offensive penalties and turnovers, although we got lucky a couple of times.  And voila, there were 38 points scored.  
    Getting back to defense.  Look at  6 bowl losses.  All defensive headaches.  Texas Tech, Auburn, Missouri, UCLA, Bowling Green and USC (not counting 1996 vs. Tenn. or 2000 vs. Neb. as they were blowouts)  .  When we need stops, they aren't there.  In the past, we blamed Colby for good reason.  However, Mike Hankwitz is well thought of, and certainly isn't over his head in bowl games.  Not sure where this post is going, but I agree with Dennis,  we need better players on the defensive side of the ball.  Walker, and now Fitz has recruited athletes to address this need, with some success as we've been to 3 straight bowl games and have been bowl-eligible 4 straight years.  
   What's annoying is the poor tackling. Total BS of this crap off tryng to strip the ball all the time while the WR carries the defender another 5 yards.  
   I've complained enough. After 8 bowl losses in a row, I've had enough. Fix the problem already.


                          Eric




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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, Jan 1, 2011 4:30 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over


At last it's over.  Another damn loss in a bowl game, although hardly 
unexpected.  Three and a half hours of Chinese water torture watching the Texas 
Tech quarterback play an easy game of pitch-and-catch with his receivers.  Not 
surprisingly, the one interception we had was while playing tight coverage - and 
a good play by Mabin.  Our defensive line was downright awful all season, and 
they got worse as the year went on.  Not one blessed sack all day and only 
sixteen for the entire year and nary a hurry or a knock-down today.  Even when 
TT had to run out the clock, the D-line still allowed two critical first downs.  
Against a weak defense our offense made a nice comeback, but it only served to 
make our latest bowl loss even more tortuous to watch.  With Persa, we win.  But 
my God, folks.  We have to better than one player, even a quarterback.  TALENT.  
We need more football TALENT, especially in both lines and at running back.  I 
know how some of hate hearing that, but it's a fact.  I am sick to death hearing 
how we can't match up with our opponents.  It's true, but I'm fed up hearing it.

After today's game, I believe our number two QB might have to be named Colter, 
not Watkins, who doesn't seem comfortable in the spread offense.  And Adonis 
Smith needs an injection of anti-fumble serum.

Get well, Hunter (my grandson's name), and come back to us well and healthy next 
season.
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 16:31:14 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Jan  1 16:31:19 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's been 15 years....
Message-ID: <691814.6383.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

and it's not my school, but it's still great to see purple in Pasadena. 

My hatred of Bielema trumps Big Ten loyalty. Go Horned Frogs.

Jim


      

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 16:35:23 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 16:33:44 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
In-Reply-To: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA04B7FF6E@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <CBC850AFD2A245F88D00F012E26BD77F@DennisMachine><FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA04B7FF6E@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <707136254-1293921219-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1214534158-@bda065.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Well said Jeff.

By the way, terrible call by Tommy T to onside kick.  Let us have short field to get back in game.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 17:21:02 
To: Dennis W. Brandt<tbng@comcast.net>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] It's over

you MUST have been watching a different game than me.
 
We lost.
 
Big deal.
 
Nobody at halftime would have given this team a snowball's chance in hell to have the ball with a chance to win at the end of the game. Yet there they we were.
 
This is a young team that was on the verge of getting blown out.  Instead they were able to reach down and find something that will make them a very good team next year.  
 
Hurt recruiting?  
 
Are you serious?
 
If you are a smart football player, which team to do you want to be a part of?  Tech just because they managed to win the game or NU because there is clearly something special going on here?
 
I hate losing as much as anyone.  Just ask my wife.
 
But we were 10+ point dogs in this game with a defense that fell apart at the end of the season and a leaderless offense that struggled to make first downs. Not only did we lose Persa but also Trumpy.  These guys had every reason in the world to pack it in and hope for better luck next year.  They didn't.  Instead they went out an found a way to climb back into the game and put themselves in a position to win it.
 
I don't know when we will win a bowl game, but I'm confident that we'll have another chance next year.
 
What I do know is that our recruiting has improved every year even with our string of bowl loses. 
 
So one of these years we will get this particular monkey off our back.
 
In the meantime, I continue to be very proud of these kids and their "never say die" spirit.
 
Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Sat 1/1/2011 4:30 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over



At last it's over.  Another damn loss in a bowl game, although hardly unexpected.  Three and a half hours of Chinese water torture watching the Texas Tech quarterback play an easy game of pitch-and-catch with his receivers.  Not surprisingly, the one interception we had was while playing tight coverage - and a good play by Mabin.  Our defensive line was downright awful all season, and they got worse as the year went on.  Not one blessed sack all day and only sixteen for the entire year and nary a hurry or a knock-down today.  Even when TT had to run out the clock, the D-line still allowed two critical first downs.  Against a weak defense our offense made a nice comeback, but it only served to make our latest bowl loss even more tortuous to watch.  With Persa, we win.  But my God, folks.  We have to better than one player, even a quarterback.  TALENT.  We need more football TALENT, especially in both lines and at running back.  I know how some of hate hearing that, but it's a fact.  I am sick to death hearing how we can't match up with our opponents.  It's true, but I'm fed up hearing it.

After today's game, I believe our number two QB might have to be named Colter, not Watkins, who doesn't seem comfortable in the spread offense.  And Adonis Smith needs an injection of anti-fumble serum.

Get well, Hunter (my grandson's name), and come back to us well and healthy next season.
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From kmaresco at covlife.org  Sat Jan  1 16:41:37 2011
From: kmaresco at covlife.org (Kenneth Maresco)
Date: Sat Jan  1 16:41:47 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa and Colter and the future...
Message-ID: <C94517D1.101E4%kmaresco@covlife.org>

Can Persa help develop Colter to be even better if?

1. Starting tomorrow he becomes Dan's workout partner. Colter gets winded...he is 18 years old...let's get trained by the workout wonder Danny boy!
2. He can get the #2 spot, and spell Dan next year, to keep him fresh, and run some plays. We need to keep Dan healthy and Colter can come in and keep the D guessing.
3. He can pick be Dan's personal project for the next 19 months. He needs to learn leadership...
4. He can improve his throwing...though he ain't bad right now...
5. He can continue to run the option for us...he ran it better than anyone in a Cat uniform since Alex Webb against TCU...take notes Persa, that is the way you run the option!
6. Pat Fitzgerald wakes up and ends the Watkins experiment immediately. Seriously, in order for NU to be successful we need to complete the short passes and run the ball, Watkins can do neither consistently, and we simply need to let it go...maybe it is harsh, but we need running quarterbacks who can throw to win?

Can you imagine Dan coming in as a true freshman and doing what Cain did today? I see a bright future, if we can improve the D. With Mark, Smith, Colter, Dunsmore, Ebert and Persa back, we can run lots of great plays, with straight ahead talent, and lots of trickeration. I loved how Colter and Smith together kept the D honest when they played consistently together.
From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Jan  1 16:49:37 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat Jan  1 16:49:45 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa and Colter and the future...
In-Reply-To: <C94517D1.101E4%kmaresco@covlife.org>
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I suspect that Colter wasn't 100%. Lots of flu going around. 

Both Persa and Kafka didn't look ready for prime time in their early play either  Also we've seen that a running QB rarely makes it through a whole season healthy.  The good news is that there will be vigorous competition for the position.  That will push all of them to use the offseason to get stronger. 

Agree that the future looks bright. 

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 1, 2011, at 5:42 PM, "Kenneth Maresco" <kmaresco@covlife.org> wrote:

> Can Persa help develop Colter to be even better if?
> 
> 1. Starting tomorrow he becomes Dan's workout partner. Colter gets winded...he is 18 years old...let's get trained by the workout wonder Danny boy!
> 2. He can get the #2 spot, and spell Dan next year, to keep him fresh, and run some plays. We need to keep Dan healthy and Colter can come in and keep the D guessing.
> 3. He can pick be Dan's personal project for the next 19 months. He needs to learn leadership...
> 4. He can improve his throwing...though he ain't bad right now...
> 5. He can continue to run the option for us...he ran it better than anyone in a Cat uniform since Alex Webb against TCU...take notes Persa, that is the way you run the option!
> 6. Pat Fitzgerald wakes up and ends the Watkins experiment immediately. Seriously, in order for NU to be successful we need to complete the short passes and run the ball, Watkins can do neither consistently, and we simply need to let it go...maybe it is harsh, but we need running quarterbacks who can throw to win?
> 
> Can you imagine Dan coming in as a true freshman and doing what Cain did today? I see a bright future, if we can improve the D. With Mark, Smith, Colter, Dunsmore, Ebert and Persa back, we can run lots of great plays, with straight ahead talent, and lots of trickeration. I loved how Colter and Smith together kept the D honest when they played consistently together.
> 
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Jan  1 17:59:16 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat Jan  1 18:00:52 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
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Tuberville's call for an onside kick, and pass (the NU interception) instead of run/punt when up 14 and failure to use more time off the play clock, thankfully, allowed the Cats to be in the game...

And the Cats took advantage to stay in it, but couldn't stop the TT offense.  The poor tackling was especially frustrating. 

In perspective, most NU failthful - - if asked before the season - - would be quited please with the season's results.  On to bigger and better...

And thanks to the Cats and the coaches for all of the thrills and fine representation of NU.

Happy new year, everyone.

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

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Sent: Sat Jan 01 17:35:23 2011
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] It's over

Well said Jeff.

By the way, terrible call by Tommy T to onside kick.  Let us have short field to get back in game.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 17:21:02
To: Dennis W. Brandt<tbng@comcast.net>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] It's over

you MUST have been watching a different game than me.

We lost.

Big deal.

Nobody at halftime would have given this team a snowball's chance in hell to have the ball with a chance to win at the end of the game. Yet there they we were.

This is a young team that was on the verge of getting blown out.  Instead they were able to reach down and find something that will make them a very good team next year.

Hurt recruiting?

Are you serious?

If you are a smart football player, which team to do you want to be a part of?  Tech just because they managed to win the game or NU because there is clearly something special going on here?

I hate losing as much as anyone.  Just ask my wife.

But we were 10+ point dogs in this game with a defense that fell apart at the end of the season and a leaderless offense that struggled to make first downs. Not only did we lose Persa but also Trumpy.  These guys had every reason in the world to pack it in and hope for better luck next year.  They didn't.  Instead they went out an found a way to climb back into the game and put themselves in a position to win it.

I don't know when we will win a bowl game, but I'm confident that we'll have another chance next year.

What I do know is that our recruiting has improved every year even with our string of bowl loses.

So one of these years we will get this particular monkey off our back.

In the meantime, I continue to be very proud of these kids and their "never say die" spirit.

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Sat 1/1/2011 4:30 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over



At last it's over.  Another damn loss in a bowl game, although hardly unexpected.  Three and a half hours of Chinese water torture watching the Texas Tech quarterback play an easy game of pitch-and-catch with his receivers.  Not surprisingly, the one interception we had was while playing tight coverage - and a good play by Mabin.  Our defensive line was downright awful all season, and they got worse as the year went on.  Not one blessed sack all day and only sixteen for the entire year and nary a hurry or a knock-down today.  Even when TT had to run out the clock, the D-line still allowed two critical first downs.  Against a weak defense our offense made a nice comeback, but it only served to make our latest bowl loss even more tortuous to watch.  With Persa, we win.  But my God, folks.  We have to better than one player, even a quarterback.  TALENT.  We need more football TALENT, especially in both lines and at running back.  I know how some of hate hearing that, but it's a!
  fact.  I am sick to death hearing how we can't match up with our opponents.  It's true, but I'm fed up hearing it.

After today's game, I believe our number two QB might have to be named Colter, not Watkins, who doesn't seem comfortable in the spread offense.  And Adonis Smith needs an injection of anti-fumble serum.

Get well, Hunter (my grandson's name), and come back to us well and healthy next season.
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 18:03:22 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 18:03:41 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Comforting words for Wildcat fans
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Shit.  Its a long time until Camp Kenosha.





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Sent: Sat, Jan 1, 2011 6:59 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] It's over


Tuberville's call for an onside kick, and pass (the NU interception) instead of 
run/punt when up 14 and failure to use more time off the play clock, thankfully, 
allowed the Cats to be in the game...

And the Cats took advantage to stay in it, but couldn't stop the TT offense.  
The poor tackling was especially frustrating. 

In perspective, most NU failthful - - if asked before the season - - would be 
quited please with the season's results.  On to bigger and better...

And thanks to the Cats and the coaches for all of the thrills and fine 
representation of NU.

Happy new year, everyone.

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

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To: Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
<nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>; Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>; 
nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sat Jan 01 17:35:23 2011
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] It's over

Well said Jeff.

By the way, terrible call by Tommy T to onside kick.  Let us have short field to 
get back in game.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 17:21:02
To: Dennis W. Brandt<tbng@comcast.net>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] It's over

you MUST have been watching a different game than me.

We lost.

Big deal.

Nobody at halftime would have given this team a snowball's chance in hell to 
have the ball with a chance to win at the end of the game. Yet there they we 
were.

This is a young team that was on the verge of getting blown out.  Instead they 
were able to reach down and find something that will make them a very good team 
next year.

Hurt recruiting?

Are you serious?

If you are a smart football player, which team to do you want to be a part of?  
Tech just because they managed to win the game or NU because there is clearly 
something special going on here?

I hate losing as much as anyone.  Just ask my wife.

But we were 10+ point dogs in this game with a defense that fell apart at the 
end of the season and a leaderless offense that struggled to make first downs. 
Not only did we lose Persa but also Trumpy.  These guys had every reason in the 
world to pack it in and hope for better luck next year.  They didn't.  Instead 
they went out an found a way to climb back into the game and put themselves in a 
position to win it.

I don't know when we will win a bowl game, but I'm confident that we'll have 
another chance next year.

What I do know is that our recruiting has improved every year even with our 
string of bowl loses.

So one of these years we will get this particular monkey off our back.

In the meantime, I continue to be very proud of these kids and their "never say 
die" spirit.

Jeff


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At last it's over.  Another damn loss in a bowl game, although hardly 
unexpected.  Three and a half hours of Chinese water torture watching the Texas 
Tech quarterback play an easy game of pitch-and-catch with his receivers.  Not 
surprisingly, the one interception we had was while playing tight coverage - and 
a good play by Mabin.  Our defensive line was downright awful all season, and 
they got worse as the year went on.  Not one blessed sack all day and only 
sixteen for the entire year and nary a hurry or a knock-down today.  Even when 
TT had to run out the clock, the D-line still allowed two critical first downs.  
Against a weak defense our offense made a nice comeback, but it only served to 
make our latest bowl loss even more tortuous to watch.  With Persa, we win.  But 
my God, folks.  We have to better than one player, even a quarterback.  TALENT.  
We need more football TALENT, especially in both lines and at running back.  I 
know how some of hate hearing that, but it's a!
  fact.  I am sick to death hearing how we can't match up with our opponents.  
It's true, but I'm fed up hearing it.

After today's game, I believe our number two QB might have to be named Colter, 
not Watkins, who doesn't seem comfortable in the spread offense.  And Adonis 
Smith needs an injection of anti-fumble serum.

Get well, Hunter (my grandson's name), and come back to us well and healthy next 
season.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  1 19:30:27 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  1 19:30:42 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bad day for the Big Ten ...
Message-ID: <338317.46104.qm@web121704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... ugh. Double ugh.

At least NU and PSU were competitive.

Michigan really laid an egg. MSU was playing a preseason #1 who finally played to potential but to allow 52 to Miss State??? Ugh.

But Wisconsin's loss really hurts because it's to a non-AQ team - certainly not as embarrassing as Bama's blowout loss to the Utes or Oklahoma's choke against Boise, but at the end of a day like this, it is the cap on a craptacular day (the cherry on top was the laughable legends/leaders commecial by the Big Ten - ugh!).

And the Badgers will look at the stats sheet tomorrow and wonder how they lost a game they dominated statistically. The answer? Poor coaching. Bad for the league, but beautiful karma for coach Smuggy Smirk.

Oh well, Nebraska fits right in with the egg they laid against UDub.

Thank goodness for outdoor hockey tonight - GO PENS!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - B(C)S, you still suck :)

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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 21:17:38 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 21:17:44 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bad day for the Big Ten ...
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I don't care about the BCS or the BTen cuppa too tree, but my CATS!!! are a 
 bad romance, lots of highs and lows but ultimately fury and despair. 
Please win  a bowl game in my lifetime (born late 1949). Go Bears, go  Caps...
From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Jan  1 22:35:19 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat Jan  1 22:36:58 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Cats & Bowls
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 22:51:59 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 22:52:38 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Assurance of Victory
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 Was at the historic Cotton Bowl.

$20 cash parking (on top of $75 tickets) seemed a bit excessive.

The pick-up area for NU will-call was not well marked - general will-call and Tech will-call were on the press box side.  NU will-call was a lengthy walk to the other side of the stadium.

Wildcat Priority Points produced a nice seat - 48 yard line, 44 rows up (right where the concourse gate let out).  Too many tech fans in that center section however.  And the 'guns-up' battle cry, as well as the 'gun firing' hand gesture, proved annoying.  Moved to the end zone at half time, where the sun was very warm, and quite comfortable.

Tech had a horse galloping down their side of the field when the team ran out.

Can anyone explain what Tommy Tupperville (sp) was thinking with the on-side kick ?

NU crowd was nice-sized, but the Tech fans came out in numbers, spread out throughout the stadium, like they had decided to come at the last minute.

Also, Tech had a big band that filled up the field ('The Goin' band')

Attendance was announced as 40,121 - no way that figure was accurate  

 


 Have to wonder what the future is for TicketCity Bowl if attendance doesn't pick up

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

 

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If anyone is there and has a moment now or during the game ,please pass along 

any thoughts. Would love to hear some insights from Cat fans on the ground !



HNY to all



Harry

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Happy New Year all, a good season (Iowa win) bummed out by a fatal  flaw, 

the dreaded Achilles heel, with a chance at a historic first bowl  victory. I 

think Fitz will have the CATS!!! ready. GO CATS  !!!!! 

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sat Jan  1 23:14:19 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  1 23:14:41 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Mabin ...
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 Same question I was asking (from my end zone seat)

Wouldn't any other coach, with a 7 or 14 point lead, forget about how loose the opponents CB's were playing, and just put all the big guys out there, and just keep handing it off

And run off one of those monster 8 minute drives ?  Has Tech this season ever had a Darnell Autry/Ron Dayne type drive that eats up yards and clock ?

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

 


 

 

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... wow. Great play.



How the heck are we still in this game???



GO CATS!!!

-SjT





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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Sat Jan  1 23:31:09 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Sat Jan  1 23:31:22 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
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On 1/1/2011 4:21 PM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> We lost.
> Big deal.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you overall, but I have to take issue with 
that. Not winning a bowl game is a big deal, as it is basically the 
team's primary goal each year.

> Nobody at halftime would have given this team a snowball's chance in hell to have the ball with a chance to win at the end of the game. Yet there they we were.

I'm also tired of the "moral victory" angle. I bet the team is tired of 
that too. We're in a better place than that, and have been for 10 years 
if not 15. If anything, their (not-quite) comeback today made it more 
frustrating, because it suggested that once again our team only played a 
partial game.

The great news is they can still get better. For today, we have a right 
to be sad. I just want a bowl win.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Jan  2 07:11:40 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun Jan  2 07:11:52 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
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I was reacting to the suggestion that losing the bowl game was going to damage NU's football future.
 
I'm as tired of "moral" victories as the next guy.
 
I'm also just as tired of the suggestion that the NU football program is either fundamentally or fatally flawed.
 
Neither is the case.
 
The team isn't perfect, but very few teams are.
 
We could use more talented players, but that's true of virtually any team. The real question is are we getting the most out of the players that we have.  I think the answer there is yes.
 
Our bowl loss this year was the norm for the BT.  We were matched up against a better team as was the case with most of the BT teams this year.  The last three years that we've played in bowl games the BT overall has a losing record.  The BT IS the most powerful conference in the country in terms of money, but it's not where the best football is being played.  
 
It would be nice to have an "easy" win to get the bowl game monkey off our back.  The reality for us in the BT right now is that we are a middle of the pack team playing in a very competitive conference.  That means we get beat up during conference play.  The good news is that we get to go to a bowl. The bad news is that we get matched up with a middle of the pack team from another powerful football conference and are often the underdogs.  You don't have to be a statistics wonk to realize that you are going to have a losing record if you consistently play teams that are better than you.  
 
NU will have a much better team next year that it did this year.  The team next year will benefit from the "near misses" this year and hopefully learn how to put opponents away when they have the chance and finish games when they have a chance to win.  Those two qualities were lacking in this young team and it showed yesterday.  What they have already clearly learned is that they can overcome significant adversity and that's what will make them a dangerous team next year.  
 
Jeff
 
 


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On 1/1/2011 4:21 PM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> We lost.
> Big deal.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you overall, but I have to take issue with
that. Not winning a bowl game is a big deal, as it is basically the
team's primary goal each year.

> Nobody at halftime would have given this team a snowball's chance in hell to have the ball with a chance to win at the end of the game. Yet there they we were.

I'm also tired of the "moral victory" angle. I bet the team is tired of
that too. We're in a better place than that, and have been for 10 years
if not 15. If anything, their (not-quite) comeback today made it more
frustrating, because it suggested that once again our team only played a
partial game.

The great news is they can still get better. For today, we have a right
to be sad. I just want a bowl win.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan  2 08:37:35 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Jan  2 08:37:39 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
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<The real question is are we getting the most out of the players that we 
have.  I think the answer there is yes.

I agree and have said so many times here.  However, a small, private school 
whose football team was wearing purple uniforms won the Rose Bowl yesterday. 
It wasn't Northwestern.  Another private school with a strong academic 
reputation will be playing in the Orange Bowl this week.  It won't be 
Northwestern.  And another small, top-notch academic school won the Sun 
Bowl.  Academics and victory are not oil and water.  A strong defensive line 
can be manned by guys with 3.5 averages, although 2.8 isn't bad either.  I 
believe Fitz can do it if anyone can, but the question as to whether it ever 
will be done remains unfulfilled.  I just hope I live to see it.

<NU will have a much better team next year that it did this year.

Maybe.  I hope.  Could be.  If the redshirts are better than those they 
replace.  If we get a stud frosh or two who can step into the lineup.  If we 
get some breaks.  Lots of maybes.  Too many maybes.  I thought after the 
2009 season that we would be better in 2010.  Turned out that both lines 
showed zero improvement - worse, in fact - even though most of their 
starters returned, which is why I'm not sanguine about those groups for 2011 
barring the arrival of new, stronger blood.  I hope I'm wrong this year, 
too, in the opposite direction.  I'm weary of waiting for "next season."


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Jan  2 09:14:55 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun Jan  2 09:14:59 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
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TCU is one of the "feel good" football stories this year.
 
It was interesting to hear their QB quoting scripture yesterday in one of his post game interviews.
 
Their football graduation rates only recently have moved above 70%.
 
They also have been a big fish in a little pond in the Mountain West.
 
I agree that NU could be more successful in football if it chose to admit more students that it knew would not graduate and if it chose to play in a less competitive conference that it could dominate.  
 
I hope that never happens.
 
As far as what the future holds, no one can say for sure.  That's what makes it interesting.
 
Jeff

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<The real question is are we getting the most out of the players that we
have.  I think the answer there is yes.

I agree and have said so many times here.  However, a small, private school
whose football team was wearing purple uniforms won the Rose Bowl yesterday.
It wasn't Northwestern.  Another private school with a strong academic
reputation will be playing in the Orange Bowl this week.  It won't be
Northwestern.  And another small, top-notch academic school won the Sun
Bowl.  Academics and victory are not oil and water.  A strong defensive line
can be manned by guys with 3.5 averages, although 2.8 isn't bad either.  I
believe Fitz can do it if anyone can, but the question as to whether it ever
will be done remains unfulfilled.  I just hope I live to see it.

<NU will have a much better team next year that it did this year.

Maybe.  I hope.  Could be.  If the redshirts are better than those they
replace.  If we get a stud frosh or two who can step into the lineup.  If we
get some breaks.  Lots of maybes.  Too many maybes.  I thought after the
2009 season that we would be better in 2010.  Turned out that both lines
showed zero improvement - worse, in fact - even though most of their
starters returned, which is why I'm not sanguine about those groups for 2011
barring the arrival of new, stronger blood.  I hope I'm wrong this year,
too, in the opposite direction.  I'm weary of waiting for "next season."




From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Jan  2 10:40:34 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan  2 10:41:08 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
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 Let's look (again) at what we faced going into yesterday's game:  TT had a SENIOR QB--big, experienced and dangerous (albeit he got off to a shaky start).  We had a redshirt FROSH and a true FROSH.  And what had we lost--a JUNIOR QB, who, until his severe injury, was elevating himself to the point where he was going to be on the "in the mix" list for next year's Heisman (He still could be, depending upon the extent, and timing, of his recovery.).  All you have to do is look at Auburn against us in Outback vs. Auburn with Cam Newton to appreciate how much a multi-talented, dual-threat QB can mean to a team.  That we made such a stirring comeback with Colter and Watkins at the helm is a tributre to (a) our team's perserverence and (b) McCall's creativity (something I have not always been willing to salute--and Fitz comes in for share of credit there as well).  However, I recognize that the "O" lacked a "down the field" attack mode (without Persa), as Dunsmore and Ebert basically played "decoy" yesterday (for want of a better term).

On the other hand, the lack of any semblance of a pass rush (just like the malady currently plaguing my other beloved team, the NY J-E-T-S) has become endemic.  Coach Hank used to play a "pressure" defense, but now we seem to have reverted to "bend, don't break"--although the "don't" part seems to have fallen out of the calculus, as we are giving up TD's in bunches.  I assume it is because the ability of the replacements for our "stars" that graduated (Corey and Sherrick) and other players who got their degrees falls below their predecessors.  Whatever it is we MUST develop schemes to pressure the QB or we will be consigned to be bottom-feeders in the BT in the coming years.  That has to be PRIORITY ONE for this team--pressure the QB.  Fitz must know this in his heart--and his head--and I choose to believe that he will remedy this problem before our first game on Sept. 3rd against Boston College (which I can't wait to see in person).

Although all of us are sick of "moral victories" (not only on the gridiron, but in hoops), we have to be proud of a bunch of kids who never quit until the final whistle--thereby dispelling the foul smell of the Wisconsin debacle.  Compare our boys to the two squads from Michigan for one moment, and then smile a little in Purple pride.

By the way, RichRod should be gone by the end oif this week, which is a shame, since our Division "rival", Michigan, will now likely resume its "rightful place" in the Conference.  Will it be Harbaugh or a surprise "stealth" candidate to succeed him?

Finally, I just want to note that I watched game at "Blondie's" in NYC, which was packed with roaring 'Cat fans, belting out "Go U Northwestern" with gusto on every 'Cat score.  Same place I watched The Alamo Bowl two years ago.  Same sad ending.......

Paul Levinson

 


 

 

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<The real question is are we getting the most out of the players that we have.  I think the answer there is yes. 
 
I agree and have said so many times here.  However, a small, private school whose football team was wearing purple uniforms won the Rose Bowl yesterday. It wasn't Northwestern.  Another private school with a strong academic reputation will be playing in the Orange Bowl this week.  It won't be Northwestern.  And another small, top-notch academic school won the Sun Bowl.  Academics and victory are not oil and water.  A strong defensive line can be manned by guys with 3.5 averages, although 2.8 isn't bad either.  I believe Fitz can do it if anyone can, but the question as to whether it ever will be done remains unfulfilled.  I just hope I live to see it. 
 
<NU will have a much better team next year that it did this year. 
 
Maybe.  I hope.  Could be.  If the redshirts are better than those they replace.  If we get a stud frosh or two who can step into the lineup.  If we get some breaks.  Lots of maybes.  Too many maybes.  I thought after the 2009 season that we would be better in 2010.  Turned out that both lines showed zero improvement - worse, in fact - even though most of their starters returned, which is why I'm not sanguine about those groups for 2011 barring the arrival of new, stronger blood.  I hope I'm wrong this year, too, in the opposite direction.  I'm weary of waiting for "next season." 
 
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From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Jan  2 11:37:33 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
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	"neonrye@aol.com" at Jan 02, 2011 11:40:34 AM
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> By the way, RichRod should be gone by the end oif this week, which is a shame, since our Division "rival", Michigan, will now likely resume its "rightful place" in the Conference.  Will it be Harbaugh or a surprise "stealth" candidate to succeed him?

I expected Michigan State to get thumped badly, and Penn State to
fall a little short.  Wisconsin was a surprise, I expected that game
to be more like the Fiesta Bowl.

Michigan deserves what it gets, IMHO, though I expected them to
do better than they did, especially when there were reports
that several Mississippi State players had stomach flu.  

I heard more good things about Northwestern overall yesterday
than I did the other four Big Ten schools playing, and I don't think 
that will hurt recruiting, even though the announcers in our game dissed 
us repeatedly.   

Given the debacle that Steve Pederson created in Lincoln, I also have 
little sympathy for Pitt over the firing of recently-hired Mike Haywood 
(though some for the assistant coaches whose status is now very 
much up on the air.)

FWIW, a number of folks on the Husker List were hoping that Shawn Watson
would get the Miami/Ohio job so that he wouldn't be the OC in Lincoln
next season, since it doesn't appear that Pelini is likely to fire him.
--
Mike Nolan

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sun Jan  2 12:05:18 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan  2 12:05:47 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
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    First of all Jeff, I am a statistics wonk; I'm not sure what a wonk is but I are one!    
    Good points in your post point to something patently obvious to me.   Why do we consistently get 2 teams in the BCS?  Money, and only money.  The Big 10 should do the right thing and tell the BCS to shove it; break ranks and send our champ to the Rose Bowl; end of story. If were not going to have a play-off, we should put our teams in position to win more bowl games. To wit:
Rose:  Ohio St. vs. TCU
Capital One:  Wisconsin vs. Alabama
Outback:  Mich. St. vs. Florida
Gator:  PSU vs. Miss. St.
Insight:  Michigan vs. Missouri
Texas:  Iowa vs. Baylor
Ticket City: Illinois vs. Texas Tech
Little Caesar's: Northwestern vs. NIU


   Would we win all of them? No. But this line-up looks much evenly matched than what we get every bowl season. FWIW, I think we'd have a hell of a time with NIU.
 
   Later,   Eric  






-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>
To: Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 8:11 am
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] It's over


I was reacting to the suggestion that losing the bowl game was going to damage 
NU's football future.
 
I'm as tired of "moral" victories as the next guy.
 
I'm also just as tired of the suggestion that the NU football program is either 
fundamentally or fatally flawed.
 
Neither is the case.
 
The team isn't perfect, but very few teams are.
 
We could use more talented players, but that's true of virtually any team. The 
real question is are we getting the most out of the players that we have.  I 
think the answer there is yes.
 
Our bowl loss this year was the norm for the BT.  We were matched up against a 
better team as was the case with most of the BT teams this year.  The last three 
years that we've played in bowl games the BT overall has a losing record.  The 
BT IS the most powerful conference in the country in terms of money, but it's 
not where the best football is being played.  
 
It would be nice to have an "easy" win to get the bowl game monkey off our back.  
The reality for us in the BT right now is that we are a middle of the pack team 
playing in a very competitive conference.  That means we get beat up during 
conference play.  The good news is that we get to go to a bowl. The bad news is 
that we get matched up with a middle of the pack team from another powerful 
football conference and are often the underdogs.  You don't have to be a 
statistics wonk to realize that you are going to have a losing record if you 
consistently play teams that are better than you.  
 
NU will have a much better team next year that it did this year.  The team next 
year will benefit from the "near misses" this year and hopefully learn how to 
put opponents away when they have the chance and finish games when they have a 
chance to win.  Those two qualities were lacking in this young team and it 
showed yesterday.  What they have already clearly learned is that they can 
overcome significant adversity and that's what will make them a dangerous team 
next year.  
 
Jeff
 
 


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Eric West
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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On 1/1/2011 4:21 PM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> We lost.
> Big deal.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you overall, but I have to take issue with
that. Not winning a bowl game is a big deal, as it is basically the
team's primary goal each year.

> Nobody at halftime would have given this team a snowball's chance in hell to 
have the ball with a chance to win at the end of the game. Yet there they we 
were.

I'm also tired of the "moral victory" angle. I bet the team is tired of
that too. We're in a better place than that, and have been for 10 years
if not 15. If anything, their (not-quite) comeback today made it more
frustrating, because it suggested that once again our team only played a
partial game.

The great news is they can still get better. For today, we have a right
to be sad. I just want a bowl win.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan  2 12:42:34 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Jan  2 12:42:48 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
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<Whatever it is we MUST develop schemes to pressure the QB 

The "scheme" will be of no value if we cannot obtain a front four physically capable of pressuring the QB.
From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Jan  2 12:46:29 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan  2 12:44:49 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: MARQUICE COLE
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Nice Pick 6 just now for Jets vs. Bills in meaningless game.  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: wildelk2@aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2011 13:05:18 
To: <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] It's over

    First of all Jeff, I am a statistics wonk; I'm not sure what a wonk is but I are one!    
    Good points in your post point to something patently obvious to me.   Why do we consistently get 2 teams in the BCS?  Money, and only money.  The Big 10 should do the right thing and tell the BCS to shove it; break ranks and send our champ to the Rose Bowl; end of story. If were not going to have a play-off, we should put our teams in position to win more bowl games. To wit:
Rose:  Ohio St. vs. TCU
Capital One:  Wisconsin vs. Alabama
Outback:  Mich. St. vs. Florida
Gator:  PSU vs. Miss. St.
Insight:  Michigan vs. Missouri
Texas:  Iowa vs. Baylor
Ticket City: Illinois vs. Texas Tech
Little Caesar's: Northwestern vs. NIU


   Would we win all of them? No. But this line-up looks much evenly matched than what we get every bowl season. FWIW, I think we'd have a hell of a time with NIU.
 
   Later,   Eric  






-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>
To: Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 8:11 am
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] It's over


I was reacting to the suggestion that losing the bowl game was going to damage 
NU's football future.
 
I'm as tired of "moral" victories as the next guy.
 
I'm also just as tired of the suggestion that the NU football program is either 
fundamentally or fatally flawed.
 
Neither is the case.
 
The team isn't perfect, but very few teams are.
 
We could use more talented players, but that's true of virtually any team. The 
real question is are we getting the most out of the players that we have.  I 
think the answer there is yes.
 
Our bowl loss this year was the norm for the BT.  We were matched up against a 
better team as was the case with most of the BT teams this year.  The last three 
years that we've played in bowl games the BT overall has a losing record.  The 
BT IS the most powerful conference in the country in terms of money, but it's 
not where the best football is being played.  
 
It would be nice to have an "easy" win to get the bowl game monkey off our back.  
The reality for us in the BT right now is that we are a middle of the pack team 
playing in a very competitive conference.  That means we get beat up during 
conference play.  The good news is that we get to go to a bowl. The bad news is 
that we get matched up with a middle of the pack team from another powerful 
football conference and are often the underdogs.  You don't have to be a 
statistics wonk to realize that you are going to have a losing record if you 
consistently play teams that are better than you.  
 
NU will have a much better team next year that it did this year.  The team next 
year will benefit from the "near misses" this year and hopefully learn how to 
put opponents away when they have the chance and finish games when they have a 
chance to win.  Those two qualities were lacking in this young team and it 
showed yesterday.  What they have already clearly learned is that they can 
overcome significant adversity and that's what will make them a dangerous team 
next year.  
 
Jeff
 
 


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Eric West
Sent: Sun 1/2/2011 12:31 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] It's over



On 1/1/2011 4:21 PM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> We lost.
> Big deal.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you overall, but I have to take issue with
that. Not winning a bowl game is a big deal, as it is basically the
team's primary goal each year.

> Nobody at halftime would have given this team a snowball's chance in hell to 
have the ball with a chance to win at the end of the game. Yet there they we 
were.

I'm also tired of the "moral victory" angle. I bet the team is tired of
that too. We're in a better place than that, and have been for 10 years
if not 15. If anything, their (not-quite) comeback today made it more
frustrating, because it suggested that once again our team only played a
partial game.

The great news is they can still get better. For today, we have a right
to be sad. I just want a bowl win.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  2 13:14:19 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Jan  2 13:14:35 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Postmortem (was: It's over)
In-Reply-To: <201101021737.p02HbVYn004911@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <217810.1564.qm@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

> I expected Michigan State to get thumped badly, and Penn
> State to fall a little short.? 

Exactly - for all the talk, there really wasn't a surprise in a lot of those games yesterday. Iowa overachieved in their bowl ... Illinois was a "flip'em" and the good Illini showed up ... MSU got waxed by a preseason #1 full of NFL picks that finally played to potential (similar to our 2000 Alamo or 1997 Citrus bowls) ... and PSU was a back-and-forth (and sloppy with turnovers on both sides) game throughout.

> Wisconsin was a surprise, I expected that game
> to be more like the Fiesta Bowl.

Yup - that was a shock to me. And watching the game, I'm still wondering how Bucky lost. They dominated time of possession, yardage, etc. but just choked in the red zone (their clock mismanagement at the end of the half was puzzling) and got away from running the ball. No tears for Mr. Smuggy Smirk, though - Bielema has no one to blame but himself.

> Michigan deserves what it gets, IMHO, though I expected
> them to do better than they did, especially when there were

Yeah - Wisky was at least close in a game where they were underdogs to the unbeaten #3 team in the nation. Michigan is big stinkin' egg of the bowl season for the Big Ten. Yeah, their D sucks - but their O didn't show up either.

It will be real interesting to see what happens with Michigan. They ran a classy (yet curmudgeonly) coach out of town in favor of a slick talker from out east to bring in a more exciting brand of football. It has failed miserably, and the parallels between Michigan and Nebraska are pretty striking. They need to axe this experiment now while they still have some semblance of pride, make a big-time run at Harbaugh and try and get back to prominence.

> I heard more good things about Northwestern overall

Overall, we pretty much did what we did last year on a smaller scale (Tech is no Auburn) - we looked bad the first hour when we had the nation's attention to ourselves, then mounted a furious comeback that had people clicking back and scratching their heads at what they missed. We have a rep as a plucky group of never-say-die underdogs. Now we gotta work on the winning part.

And what NU fans saw yesterday that had to soften the loss some is the true freshmen trio of Marks/Kane/Adonis showing a lot of potential and speed out there on offense. Now if that last interception had just been by a true freshman cornerback ... :)

So yeah, it looks bad and we'll take our lumps and shots from the ESPN folk ... but not a big surprise overall with the matchups (were we favored in any of them?), just with some of the efforts (ahem, Michigan teams).

On to hoops! :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sun Jan  2 13:21:03 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan  2 13:21:27 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
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 Fortunately (perhaps unfortunately for those who value the quality of games), the Bowl season is all about money and power, and the only real measure of success is how much cash the conference raked in, and split 12 ways.  And a second BCS bowl is huge in terms of dollars (is it $6 million each ?)

If any conference school is willing to forego that half-million dollars (6 million split 12 ways), I would like to see them step forward.

Failing that, the press should just publish the important stat - for each conference, the measure of success/failure is total Bowl game take divided by conference split rules.

That would be refreshing after watching one of last night's SportCenters.  Two over-giggly anchors admit that they are 'Big Ten guys', then admit the conference had 'a bad day'.  The third anchor then asked (as a joke, I hope), whether Nebraska might be having second thoughts about joining the Big Ten.  Such insight is what keeps us all locked into so-called Sports journalism.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85 

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: wildelk2@aol.com
To: Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 12:05 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] It's over


    First of all Jeff, I am a statistics wonk; I'm not sure what a wonk is but I 

are one!    

    Good points in your post point to something patently obvious to me.   Why do 

we consistently get 2 teams in the BCS?  Money, and only money.  The Big 10 

should do the right thing and tell the BCS to shove it; break ranks and send our 

champ to the Rose Bowl; end of story. If were not going to have a play-off, we 

should put our teams in position to win more bowl games. To wit:

Rose:  Ohio St. vs. TCU

Capital One:  Wisconsin vs. Alabama

Outback:  Mich. St. vs. Florida

Gator:  PSU vs. Miss. St.

Insight:  Michigan vs. Missouri

Texas:  Iowa vs. Baylor

Ticket City: Illinois vs. Texas Tech

Little Caesar's: Northwestern vs. NIU





   Would we win all of them? No. But this line-up looks much evenly matched than 

what we get every bowl season. FWIW, I think we'd have a hell of a time with 

NIU.

 

   Later,   Eric  













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From: Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>

To: Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu>; nwu-sports@tssi.com

Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 8:11 am

Subject: RE: [NU Sports] It's over





I was reacting to the suggestion that losing the bowl game was going to damage 

NU's football future.

 

I'm as tired of "moral" victories as the next guy.

 

I'm also just as tired of the suggestion that the NU football program is either 

fundamentally or fatally flawed.

 

Neither is the case.

 

The team isn't perfect, but very few teams are.

 

We could use more talented players, but that's true of virtually any team. The 

real question is are we getting the most out of the players that we have.  I 

think the answer there is yes.

 

Our bowl loss this year was the norm for the BT.  We were matched up against a 

better team as was the case with most of the BT teams this year.  The last three 



years that we've played in bowl games the BT overall has a losing record.  The 

BT IS the most powerful conference in the country in terms of money, but it's 

not where the best football is being played.  

 

It would be nice to have an "easy" win to get the bowl game monkey off our back.  



The reality for us in the BT right now is that we are a middle of the pack team 

playing in a very competitive conference.  That means we get beat up during 

conference play.  The good news is that we get to go to a bowl. The bad news is 

that we get matched up with a middle of the pack team from another powerful 

football conference and are often the underdogs.  You don't have to be a 

statistics wonk to realize that you are going to have a losing record if you 

consistently play teams that are better than you.  

 

NU will have a much better team next year that it did this year.  The team next 

year will benefit from the "near misses" this year and hopefully learn how to 

put opponents away when they have the chance and finish games when they have a 

chance to win.  Those two qualities were lacking in this young team and it 

showed yesterday.  What they have already clearly learned is that they can 

overcome significant adversity and that's what will make them a dangerous team 

next year.  

 

Jeff

 

 





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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Eric West

Sent: Sun 1/2/2011 12:31 AM

To: nwu-sports@tssi.com

Subject: Re: [NU Sports] It's over







On 1/1/2011 4:21 PM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:

> We lost.

> Big deal.



Not that I'm disagreeing with you overall, but I have to take issue with

that. Not winning a bowl game is a big deal, as it is basically the

team's primary goal each year.



> Nobody at halftime would have given this team a snowball's chance in hell to 

have the ball with a chance to win at the end of the game. Yet there they we 

were.



I'm also tired of the "moral victory" angle. I bet the team is tired of

that too. We're in a better place than that, and have been for 10 years

if not 15. If anything, their (not-quite) comeback today made it more

frustrating, because it suggested that once again our team only played a

partial game.



The great news is they can still get better. For today, we have a right

to be sad. I just want a bowl win.





Eric West

e-west@northwestern.edu



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  2 13:22:49 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Jan  2 13:22:53 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] It's over
In-Reply-To: <8CD78BEBFEC907F-998-2DC84@webmail-d023.sysops.aol.com>
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> money.? The Big 10 should do the right thing and tell
> the BCS to shove it; break ranks and send our champ to the
> Rose Bowl; end of story. If were not going to have a

Amen! The Big Ten and Pac 10 should go back to having our champs meet in the Rose Bowl every year. If the B(C)S chooses to invite us and our fans (and ratings) to fill Notre Dame's oft-vacant slot like they did in the old Bowl Alliance days, fine. But this stupid system is truly the worst of both worlds and until we get that playoff, let's go back to tradition.

Not sure how it would affect the matchups at the top, though, as the SEC pretty much always gets two teams in as well, so the Citrus Bowl is more like Big Ten #3 vs. SEC #3 every year. And as we've shown year after year, we can hold our own in the SEC's backyard of Tampa and Orlando. This year was just a fluke as Alabama is probably the best team in the nation and loaded with NFL talent - they just didn't decide to play until yesterday. We had a somewhat similar situation with Iowa (who really should have been in Jacksonville over Michigan) who played below their talent level much of the year and rose up in a bowl game to look good.

The Big Ten's always going to be at a disadvantage in bowl season - not much we can do about it, but it'd be nice to have it acknowledged by the press every once and awhile instead of hammering on our bowl record.

Oh well ... another thing that will eventually be fixed by the inevitable playoff. DEATH TO THE B(C)S! :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From kmaresco at covlife.org  Sun Jan  2 13:26:41 2011
From: kmaresco at covlife.org (Kenneth Maresco)
Date: Sun Jan  2 13:27:18 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Eric's idea
Message-ID: <8B9109B2-13F2-4C3C-BD80-22C15956AC56@covlife.org>

Great post! Great idea! But I wouldn't want to touch NIU this year!

KMaresco

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   First of all Jeff, I am a statistics wonk; I'm not sure what a wonk is but I are one!
   Good points in your post point to something patently obvious to me.   Why do we consistently get 2 teams in the BCS?  Money, and only money.  The Big 10 should do the right thing and tell the BCS to shove it; break ranks and send our champ to the Rose Bowl; end of story. If were not going to have a play-off, we should put our teams in position to win more bowl games. To wit:
Rose:  Ohio St. vs. TCU
Capital One:  Wisconsin vs. Alabama
Outback:  Mich. St. vs. Florida
Gator:  PSU vs. Miss. St.
Insight:  Michigan vs. Missouri
Texas:  Iowa vs. Baylor
Ticket City: Illinois vs. Texas Tech
Little Caesar's: Northwestern vs. NIU


  Would we win all of them? No. But this line-up looks much evenly matched than what we get every bowl season. FWIW, I think we'd have a hell of a time with NIU.

  Later,   Eric



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Sorry for brevity and any typos.

From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Jan  2 14:28:20 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan  2 14:26:43 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: MARQUICE COLE
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Another interception for Marquice!
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Nice Pick 6 just now for Jets vs. Bills in meaningless game.  
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] It's over

    First of all Jeff, I am a statistics wonk; I'm not sure what a wonk is but I are one!    
    Good points in your post point to something patently obvious to me.   Why do we consistently get 2 teams in the BCS?  Money, and only money.  The Big 10 should do the right thing and tell the BCS to shove it; break ranks and send our champ to the Rose Bowl; end of story. If were not going to have a play-off, we should put our teams in position to win more bowl games. To wit:
Rose:  Ohio St. vs. TCU
Capital One:  Wisconsin vs. Alabama
Outback:  Mich. St. vs. Florida
Gator:  PSU vs. Miss. St.
Insight:  Michigan vs. Missouri
Texas:  Iowa vs. Baylor
Ticket City: Illinois vs. Texas Tech
Little Caesar's: Northwestern vs. NIU


   Would we win all of them? No. But this line-up looks much evenly matched than what we get every bowl season. FWIW, I think we'd have a hell of a time with NIU.
 
   Later,   Eric  






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Sent: Sun, Jan 2, 2011 8:11 am
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] It's over


I was reacting to the suggestion that losing the bowl game was going to damage 
NU's football future.
 
I'm as tired of "moral" victories as the next guy.
 
I'm also just as tired of the suggestion that the NU football program is either 
fundamentally or fatally flawed.
 
Neither is the case.
 
The team isn't perfect, but very few teams are.
 
We could use more talented players, but that's true of virtually any team. The 
real question is are we getting the most out of the players that we have.  I 
think the answer there is yes.
 
Our bowl loss this year was the norm for the BT.  We were matched up against a 
better team as was the case with most of the BT teams this year.  The last three 
years that we've played in bowl games the BT overall has a losing record.  The 
BT IS the most powerful conference in the country in terms of money, but it's 
not where the best football is being played.  
 
It would be nice to have an "easy" win to get the bowl game monkey off our back.  
The reality for us in the BT right now is that we are a middle of the pack team 
playing in a very competitive conference.  That means we get beat up during 
conference play.  The good news is that we get to go to a bowl. The bad news is 
that we get matched up with a middle of the pack team from another powerful 
football conference and are often the underdogs.  You don't have to be a 
statistics wonk to realize that you are going to have a losing record if you 
consistently play teams that are better than you.  
 
NU will have a much better team next year that it did this year.  The team next 
year will benefit from the "near misses" this year and hopefully learn how to 
put opponents away when they have the chance and finish games when they have a 
chance to win.  Those two qualities were lacking in this young team and it 
showed yesterday.  What they have already clearly learned is that they can 
overcome significant adversity and that's what will make them a dangerous team 
next year.  
 
Jeff
 
 


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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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On 1/1/2011 4:21 PM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> We lost.
> Big deal.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you overall, but I have to take issue with
that. Not winning a bowl game is a big deal, as it is basically the
team's primary goal each year.

> Nobody at halftime would have given this team a snowball's chance in hell to 
have the ball with a chance to win at the end of the game. Yet there they we 
were.

I'm also tired of the "moral victory" angle. I bet the team is tired of
that too. We're in a better place than that, and have been for 10 years
if not 15. If anything, their (not-quite) comeback today made it more
frustrating, because it suggested that once again our team only played a
partial game.

The great news is they can still get better. For today, we have a right
to be sad. I just want a bowl win.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sun Jan  2 14:30:18 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan  2 14:30:51 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Eric's idea
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 Based on the best numbers I could find:
conf             bowls         record           payout                  simplified split

SEC          10 bowls     3-3 (4 to go)     $54.275 million         $4.523 million 
Big Ten        8 bowls     2-5(1 to go)     $49.275 million         $4.476 million 
Pac Ten       4 bowls     1-1(2 to go)     $38.425 million         $4.843 million
Big 12         8 bowls      3-4(1 to go)     $32.1375 million       $2.678 million
ACC           8 bowls      4-3(1 to go)     $28.98 million           $2.415 million
Big East     6 bowls      2-2(2 to go)     $23.555 million          $2.944 million
Notre Dame 1 bowl       1-0                 $  1.9 million              $1.9 million

and for comparison, Eric's proposal
Big Ten      8 bowls                            $32.9875 million         $2.999 million

Where simplified split is total Bowl take divided by number of team (to keep the numbers consistent)  We add a 12th share for the league office, not sure about the other split algorithms.

Based on this,
a) our league's per-team payoff was the best in FBS football, better than the SEC (don't tell this to ESPN), and way better than the Big 12, 
b) Eric's proposal has merit, but the per-team payout would drop 33% from $4.5 million to 3 million, and 
c) Notre Dame, too good to join our league, got a paltry $1.9 million, less even than Minnesota.  The fiction, that they have 'their own network', and don't have to share revenues, spread by many in the sports media (it is constantly invoked on Chicago Sports Talk Radio).

Chuck Herron   Tech '85 

     

 


 

 

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Great post! Great idea! But I wouldn't want to touch NIU this year!



KMaresco



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   First of all Jeff, I am a statistics wonk; I'm not sure what a wonk is but I 

are one!

   Good points in your post point to something patently obvious to me.   Why do 

we consistently get 2 teams in the BCS?  Money, and only money.  The Big 10 

should do the right thing and tell the BCS to shove it; break ranks and send our 

champ to the Rose Bowl; end of story. If were not going to have a play-off, we 

should put our teams in position to win more bowl games. To wit:

Rose:  Ohio St. vs. TCU

Capital One:  Wisconsin vs. Alabama

Outback:  Mich. St. vs. Florida

Gator:  PSU vs. Miss. St.

Insight:  Michigan vs. Missouri

Texas:  Iowa vs. Baylor

Ticket City: Illinois vs. Texas Tech

Little Caesar's: Northwestern vs. NIU





  Would we win all of them? No. But this line-up looks much evenly matched than 

what we get every bowl season. FWIW, I think we'd have a hell of a time with 

NIU.



  Later,   Eric







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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Jan  3 13:00:36 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Jan  3 13:02:07 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] classic Delany quote re: "Legends"
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	<1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E838A42@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/01/02/jim-harbaugh-coaching-carousel/1.html


From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Jan  3 14:05:49 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Jan  3 14:05:51 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] classic Delany quote re: "Legends"
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E838AF7@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
	from "Weinbaum, Willie" at Jan 03, 2011 02:00:36 PM
Message-ID: <201101032005.p03K5nHT008935@romaine.tssi.com>

Sadly, he wasn't the only one to point out that the Big Ten 
did not play like Legends or Leaders on New Year's Day.
--
Mike Nolan

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  3 17:17:27 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan  3 17:17:32 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] The lesson from this?
Message-ID: <774459.3824.qm@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

1) Keep the Rose Bowl to Big Ten vs. Pac 10
2) Keep the Rose Bowl on network television
3) Keep the Rose Bowl to Big Ten vs. Pac 10 champs for even better ratings

Oh yeah ... and the B(C)S and ESPN suck for targeting the one bowl that had managed to survive their onslaught against tradition. It won't be long before you see large chunks of unsold seats in Pasadena like you'll see in Miami tonight or in Phoenix with the super-low rated Fiesta Bowl on New Year's Eve (the one that was outdrawn by a hockey game :) ).

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/01/02/bcs.early.ratings.ap/index.html

DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  3 17:32:14 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan  3 17:32:18 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] classic Delany quote re: "Legends"
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As usual, excellent column by NU alumn Mandel (except he COULD have mentioned that the Cats at least held their own!:) ) - but we weren't favored in any, aren't playing 6-6 East Carolina ... and did still look bad.

It's too bad Delaney's being so out-of-touch clueless on the divisions debacle - each quote just makes him look more laughable - because the rest of his interview was pretty smart. You play the best to get better and the Big Ten/ACC challenge is good for hoops ... so why not a Big Ten/Pac 10 football challenge, Mr. Commissioner? Let's pick a weekend - second Saturday in September, say - and match up our 12 on their 12 for some AWESOME games over a weekend ... or maybe over 2-3 weekends to spread it out and keep the media attention, especially over the SEC, who usually schedules creampuffs out of league. 

Let's say ...

First weekend ...
* Stanford @ Northwestern
* Illinois @ California
* Ohio State @ USC
* UCLA @ Michigan

Second weekend ...
* Minnesota @ Utah
* Colorado @ Iowa
* Michigan State @ Oregon
* Oregon State @ Penn State

Third weekend ...
* Arizona State @ Purdue
* Indiana @ Washington State
* Arizona @ Penn State
* Wisconsin @ Washington

Tell me THAT wouldn't be a fun three weeks of football for fans and great for both leagues!

PS - Not on the Big Ten, but also in Stewart's column, the Edsall move does seem a bit puzzling - he was certainly king of a weak Big East for at least another year until TCU moved in, and HAD to have better offers than Maryland ... seems like O'Brien's move from BC to NC State a few years back ... just kind of head scratching. Oh well. :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


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> From: Weinbaum, Willie <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] classic Delany quote re: "Legends"
> To: "nwu-sports@tssi.com" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 12:00 PM
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/01/02/jim-harbaugh-coaching-carousel/1.html
> 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Jan  3 17:46:03 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Jan  3 17:46:05 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] classic Delany quote re: "Legends"
In-Reply-To: <883626.15779.qm@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> from "SjT
	\(Stephen J. Truog\)" at Jan 03, 2011 03:32:14 PM
Message-ID: <201101032346.p03Nk35s009510@romaine.tssi.com>

Is there a reason you listed Penn State twice and skipped Nebraska, Stephen?
--
Mike Nolan
 
> First weekend ...
> * Stanford @ Northwestern
> * Illinois @ California
> * Ohio State @ USC
> * UCLA @ Michigan
> 
> Second weekend ...
> * Minnesota @ Utah
> * Colorado @ Iowa
> * Michigan State @ Oregon
> * Oregon State @ Penn State
> 
> Third weekend ...
> * Arizona State @ Purdue
> * Indiana @ Washington State
> * Arizona @ Penn State
> * Wisconsin @ Washington

From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan  3 18:01:07 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  3 17:59:46 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] classic Delany quote re: "Legends"
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Living out here in the West Coast,I am not convinced that the Pac 10 (12) fans feel the same sense of conference unity as the SEC and the BT does. That is ,if it isn't their school I'm not sure the fans would root hard for their brethren  and feel nearly as much conference pride if they beat the BT.  (Perhaps Alan living in USC country might disagree).  Now a BT/SEC or BT/BIG Twelve might be a lot of fun

Harry
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 15:32:14 
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com<nwu-sports@tssi.com>; WillieWeinbaum<Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] classic Delany quote re: "Legends"

As usual, excellent column by NU alumn Mandel (except he COULD have mentioned that the Cats at least held their own!:) ) - but we weren't favored in any, aren't playing 6-6 East Carolina ... and did still look bad.

It's too bad Delaney's being so out-of-touch clueless on the divisions debacle - each quote just makes him look more laughable - because the rest of his interview was pretty smart. You play the best to get better and the Big Ten/ACC challenge is good for hoops ... so why not a Big Ten/Pac 10 football challenge, Mr. Commissioner? Let's pick a weekend - second Saturday in September, say - and match up our 12 on their 12 for some AWESOME games over a weekend ... or maybe over 2-3 weekends to spread it out and keep the media attention, especially over the SEC, who usually schedules creampuffs out of league. 

Let's say ...

First weekend ...
* Stanford @ Northwestern
* Illinois @ California
* Ohio State @ USC
* UCLA @ Michigan

Second weekend ...
* Minnesota @ Utah
* Colorado @ Iowa
* Michigan State @ Oregon
* Oregon State @ Penn State

Third weekend ...
* Arizona State @ Purdue
* Indiana @ Washington State
* Arizona @ Penn State
* Wisconsin @ Washington

Tell me THAT wouldn't be a fun three weeks of football for fans and great for both leagues!

PS - Not on the Big Ten, but also in Stewart's column, the Edsall move does seem a bit puzzling - he was certainly king of a weak Big East for at least another year until TCU moved in, and HAD to have better offers than Maryland ... seems like O'Brien's move from BC to NC State a few years back ... just kind of head scratching. Oh well. :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


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> From: Weinbaum, Willie <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] classic Delany quote re: "Legends"
> To: "nwu-sports@tssi.com" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 12:00 PM
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/01/02/jim-harbaugh-coaching-carousel/1.html
> 
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 18:05:18 2011
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Jan  3 18:05:44 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] classic Delany quote re: "Legends"
In-Reply-To: <883626.15779.qm@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E838AF7@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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You can't blame Jim Delany for following the wishes of his constituents,
including our own Northwestern University, particularly since wish #1 is to
maximize revenues - and the BCS is the system under the current NCAA Div. I
FBS postseason arrangement that allows him to do that for the conference.
Yes, a vocal group may be clamoring for going back to the old system but the
fact is that the payouts to the Big Ten have ballooned since the BCS's
inception and the Big Ten has monetarily benefited more than any other
conference, having sent the most at-large representatives to BCS games.

Any change to a playoff system (or any system that would have a team playing
more than one postseason game) would require a change of the NCAA Div. I FBS
rules, which is a pipe dream at this point in time given that the smaller
member schools would clamor for more balanced revenue sharing and the BCS
automatic qualifying conferences don't want to give up their bigger piece of
the pie (both in terms of money and power).

In terms of your football "conference challenge" proposal - the fact is that
his constituents wouldn't let it fly.  Such an arrangement would require
teams to give up home games which many are just not willing to do (Penn
State, Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan, to name a few).  Delany's current
push is for 9 conference games which has proven difficult enough to push
through given how it would eat into that aforementioned nonconference
schedule (i.e. home games).  So, don't blame him for that (and also don't
blame NU, who hasn't had 8 home games in a season in the modern era while
the previously mentioned schools almost routinely do nowadays).

In terms of the network vs. cable TV - the fact is that cable TV can pay out
more and that's the reason ESPN got the BCS contract (they outbid FOX).
ESPN commands the highest per subscriber fee from cable operators of any
national network.  So they don't need the same number of viewers (and,
hence, advertiser rates) as network TV to yield the same amount of revenue.
That's just the way things work and I personally don't have a problem with
it since I get cable and also have access to ESPN3.com which I have found
very useful and fortunately ESPN has decided to put all of its bowl games on
there.

I believe there are many different regular season scheduling and postseason
structural changes that could be made to make NCAA Div. I FBS football more
appealing to fans.  Unfortunately, the system of money/power does not allow
many of those to come to fruition and it is important to understand why.  In
the meantime it is important to note that any "out there" proposals are
indeed out there and won't likely happen, at least in the short term.

And, finally, I personally enjoy how college football is structured
differently than every other sport out there.  If we do what some propose
and go to a 16 team playoff it will just turn into NFL Jr. to some degree
and I think that would take away some of those unique aspects.  And going
back to the old bowl system would basically be taking a step backwards - you
may as well go ahead and remove scholarship restrictions, too, and NU can
revert back into the Dark Ages.

Jonathan

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 5:32 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> As usual, excellent column by NU alumn Mandel (except he COULD have
> mentioned that the Cats at least held their own!:) ) - but we weren't
> favored in any, aren't playing 6-6 East Carolina ... and did still look bad.
>
> It's too bad Delaney's being so out-of-touch clueless on the divisions
> debacle - each quote just makes him look more laughable - because the rest
> of his interview was pretty smart. You play the best to get better and the
> Big Ten/ACC challenge is good for hoops ... so why not a Big Ten/Pac 10
> football challenge, Mr. Commissioner? Let's pick a weekend - second Saturday
> in September, say - and match up our 12 on their 12 for some AWESOME games
> over a weekend ... or maybe over 2-3 weekends to spread it out and keep the
> media attention, especially over the SEC, who usually schedules creampuffs
> out of league.
>
> Let's say ...
>
> First weekend ...
> * Stanford @ Northwestern
> * Illinois @ California
> * Ohio State @ USC
> * UCLA @ Michigan
>
> Second weekend ...
> * Minnesota @ Utah
> * Colorado @ Iowa
> * Michigan State @ Oregon
> * Oregon State @ Penn State
>
> Third weekend ...
> * Arizona State @ Purdue
> * Indiana @ Washington State
> * Arizona @ Penn State
> * Wisconsin @ Washington
>
> Tell me THAT wouldn't be a fun three weeks of football for fans and great
> for both leagues!
>
> PS - Not on the Big Ten, but also in Stewart's column, the Edsall move does
> seem a bit puzzling - he was certainly king of a weak Big East for at least
> another year until TCU moved in, and HAD to have better offers than Maryland
> ... seems like O'Brien's move from BC to NC State a few years back ... just
> kind of head scratching. Oh well. :)
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ==========================
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Weinbaum, Willie <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Weinbaum, Willie <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>
> > Subject: [NU Sports] classic Delany quote re: "Legends"
> > To: "nwu-sports@tssi.com" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> > Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 12:00 PM
> >
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Jan  3 18:14:48 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Jan  3 18:14:50 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] classic Delany quote re: "Legends"
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik5aZG=hcfwyv-vzmFM5mAxMbzh9Z-L7XHDadp_@mail.gmail.com>
	from "Jonathan Hodges" at Jan 03, 2011 06:05:18 PM
Message-ID: <201101040014.p040Em2s009619@romaine.tssi.com>

> In terms of the network vs. cable TV - the fact is that cable TV can pay out
> more and that's the reason ESPN got the BCS contract (they outbid FOX).

ABC and ESPN are both owned by Disney, so they could have just as easily
have had ABC outbid Fox.  

Personally, I think the 5 Big Ten bowl games on January 1st was a BAD
IDEA, I could really only watch at most about 2 1/2 of them.  

And the fact that the conference laid an egg made us THE story
on ESPN, at least as much as the individual games.  And the
sports pundits will pick on the Big Ten for the next 11 7/8 months.
--
Mike Nolan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan  3 19:38:19 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan  3 19:36:24 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] First half vs. MSU
Message-ID: <000601cbabb0$115c8160$34158420$@com>

Green is rolling over Luka, et al.

Shurna is still not 100%, but is drawing a crowd leaving Cobb and Crawford open 

Too many missed 3's, including some where NOBODY was around.

And what was the quick pair of fouls at the beginning of the game? Strange.

Anyway, Crawford got us back into it at the end, with a perfect bunny off a pass from
Shurna, who was sitting on the floor as he delivered the ball after a steal. I can
remember when our guys would miss that shot.

Go Cats!

rsl

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  3 19:49:47 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan  3 19:49:49 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten/Pac 10 challenge (was: classic Delany quote re:
	"Legends")
In-Reply-To: <976971398-1294099169-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-391699598-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <404891.46589.qm@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

> Living out here in the West Coast,I
> am not convinced that the Pac 10 (12) fans feel the same
> sense of conference unity as the SEC and the BT does. That

True, but their new commish is trying to change that and might be more receptive to the idea - not to mention the hordes of media attention it would get the oft-forgotten west coast teams (plus the Rose Bowl ties our conferences have). I think it could only help both leagues.

> conference pride if they beat the BT.? (Perhaps Alan
> living in USC country might disagree).? Now a BT/SEC or
> BT/BIG Twelve might be a lot of fun

Well, the SEC would never do it, has ties to another network that would have to be worked out and we play them enough.:) The Big XII also might not have the best of relations with us after taking UNL.

PS - Sorry I forgot the Huskers, Mike. :) Put them in for either PSU game.

I dunno, I think this could work ... it's one game per school, so you can still have three creampuffs at home, plus it gets the league good NC games and high publicity during the now dull September slate (since there's no real incentive to schedule tough anymore).

Hey - it can't be a worse idea than "legends" and "leaders" ... right? :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  3 20:14:43 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan  3 20:14:46 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] The lesson from this?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=tWTgTpYFHtxevccG2a5O_438kJe3JzsZeCio+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <788472.96334.qm@web121709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

>>I feel like a lot of this, all season long, has been wistful longing for a time and a day that is just plain over. Like "Flashdance" and the Reagan presidency. Done. ...?Reality check: things change.
Hey Alan, I'm flexible -- I'll look backwards OR look forward. Give me a playoff or give me tradition. Just don't stick me in purgatory hell of the B(C)S! :)
What we have now is neither - and most of the arguments you make is more of a case pushing for a playoff than a defense of the B(C)S.

However, if we're stuck with this "worst of both worlds" system that has ruined the Orange Bowl (at least they drew more fans than the Dolphins tonight, I guess) and Sugar Bowl (basically now an SEC consolation bowl),?at least quit meddling with the Rose Bowl (the one bowl that has worked under the system with sellouts and ratings) by forcing them to take non-AQ teams or Miami/Oklahoma/etc.
Oh well ... I know ... broken record ... same old B(C)S different year ... sorry, I just don't want to accept a mediocre ending every year to the greatest sport on earth.?
For those of you who are truly happy with the B(C)S as it is now, I apologize ... maybe one day someone will explain to me why this is a good idea. :) On the plus side, the monthlong glut of bowls will someday end, I'm told, and then you'll have 8 or 9 month when the B(C)S is out of season and we can all talk about more productive things like why we need more playmakers on defense or how legends and leaders really is starting to grow on you. :)
GO CATS!!!- SjT
* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG

sjtruog@yahoo.com

GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!

Super Bowl XLIV Champions!

==========================

--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The lesson from this?
To: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>, nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 6:03 PM

I feel like a lot of this, all season long, has been wistful longing for a time and a day that is just plain over. Like "Flashdance" and the Reagan presidency. Done.
Confession: I liked it better when the Big Ten and Pac-10 met each year in Pasadena, too. With this system, which admittedly is imperfect, most years there's a pretty good chance they still will.


Reality check: things change.
Bo and Woody are part of history. The Wildcats don't suck any longer. Penn State has been in the Big Ten for nearly 20 years now. Nebraska is part of the deal now. ESPN is a cable channel that's way more vital than its network sister ABC.?


My younger brother shaved his mustache the other day. He had been wearing it since 1987. He said afterward that he should have done it a long time ago -- that hanging on to something that was cool in the '80s maybe wasn't so cool in 2011.


Sometimes there's a lot of value in tradition and sometimes there's not.?
Stephen, I fully respect your position. But maybe it's time to consider the way things are, not the way you want them to be. It's all in what you want to invest your time and energy in, you know?




On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 3:17 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:


1) Keep the Rose Bowl to Big Ten vs. Pac 10

2) Keep the Rose Bowl on network television

3) Keep the Rose Bowl to Big Ten vs. Pac 10 champs for even better ratings



Oh yeah ... and the B(C)S and ESPN suck for targeting the one bowl that had managed to survive their onslaught against tradition. It won't be long before you see large chunks of unsold seats in Pasadena like you'll see in Miami tonight or in Phoenix with the super-low rated Fiesta Bowl on New Year's Eve (the one that was outdrawn by a hockey game :) ).





http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/01/02/bcs.early.ratings.ap/index.html



DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!

GO CATS!!!

-SjT



* * * * * * * * *

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan  3 20:39:43 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan  3 20:37:35 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Too much Green
Message-ID: <000701cbabb8$a4f6a1f0$eee3e5d0$@com>

And not just referring to the color of the uniforms.

Green just owned the inside, and got the 2 point put back after Lucas missed the FT.

These Cats still don't know how to come back and win - but if Shurna wasn?t sore, who
knows.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Mon Jan  3 20:39:37 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Mon Jan  3 20:40:10 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugh
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=NUOPzBUJsE84xRdSo1=P7ya9Tp_nCFiq1Vvw7@mail.gmail.com>

Were I filing to Twitter:

35 years of watching Northwestern lose hoop games every single way possible.
Tonight, 65-62 to Mich St. Could someone pls box out after FTs?
From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Jan  3 20:40:38 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Jan  3 20:45:44 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Too much Green
In-Reply-To: <000701cbabb8$a4f6a1f0$eee3e5d0$@com>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E7EC2A0@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

A Tuberville-like late effort by MSU to keep Cats in and they almost pulled off a miracle to come back from 13 down with 3 mins left.  Shame to have Shurna hurt. 


>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Mon Jan 03 21:39:43 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Too much Green

And not just referring to the color of the uniforms.

Green just owned the inside, and got the 2 point put back after Lucas missed the FT.

These Cats still don't know how to come back and win - but if Shurna wasn't sore, who
knows.

rsl

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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Mon Jan  3 20:49:55 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  3 20:50:13 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugh, Shurna's injury
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=NUOPzBUJsE84xRdSo1=P7ya9Tp_nCFiq1Vvw7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=NUOPzBUJsE84xRdSo1=P7ya9Tp_nCFiq1Vvw7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CD79D133E18B3B-CC0-7E31@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>

    Just a thought: A defensive substitution for Shurna.  We get the ball, call time, put Shurna back in.  That's what I would have done when I was coaching 9/10 grade rec league a few years ago:) Unbelievable comeback sabotaged by coaching.  
   OK. I admit it. I'm still mad about the Texas Tech game.  Sorry.


      Eric





-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson@gmail.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 3, 2011 9:39 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugh


Were I filing to Twitter:

35 years of watching Northwestern lose hoop games every single way possible.
Tonight, 65-62 to Mich St. Could someone pls box out after FTs?
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan  3 21:13:31 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan  3 21:11:35 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugh, Shurna's injury
In-Reply-To: <8CD79D133E18B3B-CC0-7E31@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>
References: <AANLkTi=NUOPzBUJsE84xRdSo1=P7ya9Tp_nCFiq1Vvw7@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CD79D133E18B3B-CC0-7E31@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <001c01cbabbd$5d7c31a0$187494e0$@com>

Wouldn't Ryan have been the obvious choice? But then he's hurt too.

rsl

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Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 9:50 PM
To: alan.abrahamson@gmail.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ugh, Shurna's injury

    Just a thought: A defensive substitution for Shurna.  We get the ball, call time, put
Shurna back in.  That's what I would have done when I was coaching 9/10 grade rec league a
few years ago:) Unbelievable comeback sabotaged by coaching.  
   OK. I admit it. I'm still mad about the Texas Tech game.  Sorry.


      Eric





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To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 3, 2011 9:39 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugh


Were I filing to Twitter:

35 years of watching Northwestern lose hoop games every single way possible.
Tonight, 65-62 to Mich St. Could someone pls box out after FTs?
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Jan  3 21:12:23 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Jan  3 21:13:38 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugh, Shurna's injury
In-Reply-To: <001c01cbabbd$5d7c31a0$187494e0$@com>
References: <AANLkTi=NUOPzBUJsE84xRdSo1=P7ya9Tp_nCFiq1Vvw7@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CD79D133E18B3B-CC0-7E31@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>
	<001c01cbabbd$5d7c31a0$187494e0$@com>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E838B7D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Capocci, I'd think.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:14 PM
To: wildelk2@aol.com; alan.abrahamson@gmail.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Ugh, Shurna's injury

Wouldn't Ryan have been the obvious choice? But then he's hurt too.

rsl

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Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 9:50 PM
To: alan.abrahamson@gmail.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ugh, Shurna's injury

    Just a thought: A defensive substitution for Shurna.  We get the ball, call time, put
Shurna back in.  That's what I would have done when I was coaching 9/10 grade rec league a
few years ago:) Unbelievable comeback sabotaged by coaching.
   OK. I admit it. I'm still mad about the Texas Tech game.  Sorry.


      Eric





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To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 3, 2011 9:39 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugh


Were I filing to Twitter:

35 years of watching Northwestern lose hoop games every single way possible.
Tonight, 65-62 to Mich St. Could someone pls box out after FTs?
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Jan  3 21:36:09 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Jan  3 21:36:11 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] NU loses receivers coach
Message-ID: <201101040336.p043a9CV010183@romaine.tssi.com>

According to ESPN, NU receivers coach Kevin Johns, has accepted
a position at Indiana.

No word on his replacement at NU yet.
--
Mike Nolan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan  3 21:52:41 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan  3 21:50:46 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Ugh, Shurna's injury
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E838B7D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <AANLkTi=NUOPzBUJsE84xRdSo1=P7ya9Tp_nCFiq1Vvw7@mail.gmail.com>	<8CD79D133E18B3B-CC0-7E31@webmail-m021.sysops.aol.com>	<001c01cbabbd$5d7c31a0$187494e0$@com>
	<1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E838B7D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Someone who could move and jump would have been nice.

rsl

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Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 10:12 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Ugh, Shurna's injury

Capocci, I'd think.

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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Ugh, Shurna's injury

Wouldn't Ryan have been the obvious choice? But then he's hurt too.

rsl

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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 9:50 PM
To: alan.abrahamson@gmail.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ugh, Shurna's injury

    Just a thought: A defensive substitution for Shurna.  We get the ball, call time, put
Shurna back in.  That's what I would have done when I was coaching 9/10 grade rec league a
few years ago:) Unbelievable comeback sabotaged by coaching.
   OK. I admit it. I'm still mad about the Texas Tech game.  Sorry.


      Eric





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Subject: [NU Sports] Ugh


Were I filing to Twitter:

35 years of watching Northwestern lose hoop games every single way possible.
Tonight, 65-62 to Mich St. Could someone pls box out after FTs?
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan  3 21:53:33 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan  3 21:51:26 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] NU loses receivers coach
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If I remember correctly, he also coached RB's and was the recruiting coordinator for a
short time under RW.

rsl

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Subject: [NU Sports] NU loses receivers coach

According to ESPN, NU receivers coach Kevin Johns, has accepted
a position at Indiana.

No word on his replacement at NU yet.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan  3 22:57:34 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Jan  3 22:57:43 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanford
Message-ID: <444D5B7FB67B4EEA8ECF4FF7C8D900AF@DennisMachine>

That other school of bright kids from that private school out west were mighty impressive in every aspect of the game tonight.  I don't think Tyrod Taylor knew what hit him.  It can be done.
From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Jan  3 23:14:21 2011
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Mon Jan  3 23:14:29 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten/Pac 10 challenge
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On 1/3/2011 8:49 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
> Well, the SEC would never do it, has ties to another network that 
> would have to be worked out and we play them enough.:)

Maybe the other network is part of the key.  If each conference is home 
for six games, ABC/ESPN and CBS each get six games a year and they can 
split the cost.

> I dunno, I think this could work ... it's one game per school, so you can still have three creampuffs at home, plus it gets the league good NC games and high publicity during the now dull September slate (since there's no real incentive to schedule tough anymore).

Back to the Pac-10: The additional money from the network for the 
promise of good games that would attract audience from all over the 
country could make up for the gate.  And you could do a noon, a 3:30, 
and a prime time game.  The only downside is that unless you stretched 
it out over four weekends, you'd have to double up timeslots with games 
on one of the conferences' networks.  (There is a Pac-10 network now, 
isn't there?)  But it's an entertaining idea.

-Michael

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan  4 06:35:53 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan  4 06:33:46 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Johns only coaching change, so far 
Message-ID: <000001cbac0b$eda0fec0$c8e2fc40$@com>

And Fitz said there are no guaranteed jobs on the defense either.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-110103-northwestern-football,0,7317429.st
ory

The competition starts now...

Teddy Greenstein reports on what might be going on in Evanston

rsl


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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  4 07:17:55 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Jan  4 07:17:58 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Johns only coaching change, so far
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I wouldn't mind seeing a new offensive line coach. Our o-line was supposed to be 
a strength this year and never really made an impact. 

Go Cats!
Jim




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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 7:35:53 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] Johns only coaching change, so far 

And Fitz said there are no guaranteed jobs on the defense either.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-110103-northwestern-football,0,7317429.st

ory

The competition starts now...

Teddy Greenstein reports on what might be going on in Evanston

rsl


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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jan  4 10:23:57 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Jan  4 10:24:10 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanford
In-Reply-To: <444D5B7FB67B4EEA8ECF4FF7C8D900AF@DennisMachine>
References: <444D5B7FB67B4EEA8ECF4FF7C8D900AF@DennisMachine>
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We don't need Stanford's example as evidence of what can be done.  NU
best teams have won the BT, which Stanford failed to do this year and
has only done once since 1995.  The last time Stanford did win the
Pac-10 was in 1999 and they also lost in the Rose Bowl (Wisky).  NU has
been ranked as high as 3rd nationally.  Stanford is ranked 4th, but I
doubt they will jump TCU or the loser of the Auburn Oregon game.  The
only time they finished the season with a higher ranking was in 1940.
Stanford's record under Harbaugh is 29-21 (58%) with two losing seasons.
NU's record under Fitz is 34-29 (54%) with only one losing season.    

If Persa hadn't been injured, we would have won at least one more game
this year with a shot at three which would have raised Fitz's winning
percentage to 59%.

Hard to say how Stanford would have done if lost Andrew Luck, but he is
a big reason they are where they are.

I really hope that Harbaugh decides to stay at Stanford.  That could
lead to Luck coming back for his senior year and Stanford making a run
at a national title.  That would be great for college football because
it proves that you can have high academic standards, high graduation
rates, and success on the field.

If he leaves, it re-enforces the narrative that great coaches can't
accomplish all that they would like to accomplish at smart football
schools like Stanford and Northwestern.

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 11:58 PM
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That other school of bright kids from that private school out west were
mighty impressive in every aspect of the game tonight.  I don't think
Tyrod Taylor knew what hit him.  It can be done.
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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Tue Jan  4 10:26:53 2011
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Tue Jan  4 10:27:15 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Johns only coaching change, so far
Message-ID: <18323362.1294158413776.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Fitz says he loves the coaching staff he has.  I really wonder about that.  When so many players perform so poorly on the field it points to coaching problems.

Clark



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>From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
>Sent: Jan 4, 2011 4:35 AM
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Johns only coaching change, so far 
>
>And Fitz said there are no guaranteed jobs on the defense either.
>http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-110103-northwestern-football,0,7317429.st
>ory
>
>The competition starts now...
>
>Teddy Greenstein reports on what might be going on in Evanston
>
>rsl
>
>
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>Computer Applications & Support Associates
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Jan  4 10:31:20 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue Jan  4 10:32:05 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Johns only coaching change, so far
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References: <18323362.1294158413776.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Alternatively: lack of talent.

Let's face it: We have always had the ability to recruit on offense. Our
challenge has always been defense. The years in which we have won have been
those years in which we have excelled on defense more so than offense. Our
offense next year is going to be great; if we can cobble together even a B+
defense, we have a lot of upside.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Clark Zahn <clzahn@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Fitz says he loves the coaching staff he has.  I really wonder about that.
>  When so many players perform so poorly on the field it points to coaching
> problems.
>
> Clark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> >Sent: Jan 4, 2011 4:35 AM
> >To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> >Subject: [NU Sports] Johns only coaching change, so far
> >
> >And Fitz said there are no guaranteed jobs on the defense either.
> >
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-110103-northwestern-football,0,7317429.st
> >ory
> >
> >The competition starts now...
> >
> >Teddy Greenstein reports on what might be going on in Evanston
> >
> >rsl
> >
> >
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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> >Computer Applications & Support Associates
> >-------------------- Also ----------------------
> >"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> >Director Media Relations - Little League
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> >Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> >Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> >Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> >Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> >==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jan  4 10:41:30 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Jan  4 10:42:09 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Johns only coaching change, so far
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You could call it lack of talent, or just youth.

As recruiting improves under Fitz, younger guys are beating out older
guys for starting roles.

As Coach Roy is fond of saying, another year in the weight room for our
defense should do wonders.

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 11:31 AM
To: Clark Zahn
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Johns only coaching change, so far

Alternatively: lack of talent.

Let's face it: We have always had the ability to recruit on offense. Our
challenge has always been defense. The years in which we have won have
been
those years in which we have excelled on defense more so than offense.
Our
offense next year is going to be great; if we can cobble together even a
B+
defense, we have a lot of upside.

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Clark Zahn <clzahn@mindspring.com>
wrote:

> Fitz says he loves the coaching staff he has.  I really wonder about
that.
>  When so many players perform so poorly on the field it points to
coaching
> problems.
>
> Clark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> >Sent: Jan 4, 2011 4:35 AM
> >To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> >Subject: [NU Sports] Johns only coaching change, so far
> >
> >And Fitz said there are no guaranteed jobs on the defense either.
> >
>
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-110103-northwestern-foo
tball,0,7317429.st
> >ory
> >
> >The competition starts now...
> >
> >Teddy Greenstein reports on what might be going on in Evanston
> >
> >rsl
> >
> >
> >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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> >Computer Applications & Support Associates
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> >"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> >Director Media Relations - Little League
> >  Senior League Softball World Series
> >Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> >Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> >Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> >Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> >==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jan  4 14:03:04 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jan  4 14:03:12 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Johns only coaching change, so far
References: <18323362.1294158413776.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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> When so many players perform so poorly on the field it points to coaching 
> problems.  - Clark Zahn

> Alternatively: lack of talent. - Alan Abrahamson

Thank you, Alan.  I'm pleased that someone else is willing to state the 
obvious out loud. 

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan  4 14:03:26 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan  4 14:03:27 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] RichRod out at Michigan, according to ESPN
Message-ID: <201101042003.p04K3QUf013489@romaine.tssi.com>

ESPN is reporting that Rich Rodriguez has been fired at Michigan.  

There's also a report on ESPN that Jim Harbaugh is NOT likely to
be his successor, with the NFL the most likely destination,
possibly Denver.  (It would be a bit surreal for Harbaugh
to be working for Elway, now a VP of the Broncos.)
--
Mike Nolan

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan  4 14:14:27 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan  4 14:14:28 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Johns only coaching change, so far
In-Reply-To: <7342A4FA82284D2F878D2B4FDD8CB3FB@DennisMachine> from "Dennis W.
	Brandt" at Jan 04, 2011 03:03:04 PM
Message-ID: <201101042014.p04KERlr013601@romaine.tssi.com>

> > When so many players perform so poorly on the field it points to coaching 
> > problems.  - Clark Zahn
> 
> > Alternatively: lack of talent. - Alan Abrahamson
> 
> Thank you, Alan.  I'm pleased that someone else is willing to state the 
> obvious out loud. 

I think the Cats have been MORE talented the last few years than they have been 
for most of the time I've been following them (1967), but I don't know that 
they'll ever reach the roster depth of the football factories, and that
makes us one or two injuries away from mediocre (or worse.)

Stanford has had peaks and valleys, but I'm not sure if I would
prefer that to a long string of consecutive winning seasons
(and, of course, an end to the bowl victory drought.)

There's an interesting article on SI.com which points out that
if Nebraska has been part of the Big Ten this year, at least six 
schools would have dropped down one rung in the bowl games, which
might have made the conference's bowl record better.  

We'll see, sometimes I'm not sure that the bottom half of the Big Ten's 
bowl committments don't produce harder games to win than the top half.
--
Mike Nolan

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  4 14:50:43 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Jan  4 14:50:49 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Johns only coaching change, so far
In-Reply-To: <201101042014.p04KERlr013601@romaine.tssi.com>
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The Cats appear to have more pure talent and ability on offense than anytime I 
can recall. If Persa is even 90% healthy come September, they could be scary 
good next year. 

And depending on who is in the O-line pipeline, the future looks very bright for 
a few years to come.

On defense, it appears that whether it was down to physical ability or just 
execution, the defensive starters who graduated last year all seemed to do a 
better job than their replacements this year. 

Let's see, that's McManis, Hahn, Wotton, Smith, Phillips. And Marshall Thomas 
made some plays too. All gone. 

Well, of those, McManis, Wotton, Smith, and Phillips were probably as good at 
their positions as anyone I've seen at NU--both in pure ability and results. And 
Hahn was very good himself when healthy. 

In hindsight, it's no surprise the D took a step backward this year. 

The disappointing thing is that I didn't see a whole lot of evidence that next 
year's edition will be better. 

On the other hand, there are some intriguing young players who red-shirted or 
played very little this year, including Carter, Campbell, Goodlow, and Hampton, 
who could play significant roles next year. I'm optimistic, but very guardedly 
so. You can certainly see why Fitz served notice that any jobs on D will have to 
be earned next year. 

Tom

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  4 14:56:19 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Tue Jan  4 14:56:42 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011
Message-ID: <24294917.1294174579765.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Maybe I'm just an overly optimistic guy, but I think we're going to be very, very good next season. Look at the seniors we lose - not a real lot to be derpressed about there. We return lots of people. We will be more experienced. I'm looking for at least a 9-3 season in 2011. - Jim B.

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Jan  4 16:32:12 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue Jan  4 16:32:21 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011
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I fully agree.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Maybe I'm just an overly optimistic guy, but I think we're going to be very, very good next season. Look at the seniors we lose - not a real lot to be derpressed about there. We return lots of people. We will be more experienced. I'm looking for at least a 9-3 season in 2011. - Jim B.
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  4 16:46:31 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Jan  4 16:46:33 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011
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I wouldn't be at all surprised by 9-3. (Overjoyed, but not necessarily 
surprised). 

Tough Big 10 schedule, and the Cats will have to win some close games, but the 
opportunities are there.

Need improvements from the secondary (and LBs, and DL!), and a reliable 
place-kicker.

Tom


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> To: Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>
> Cc: "nwu-sports@tssi.com" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Tue, January 4, 2011 4:32:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2011
> 
> I fully agree.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 4, 2011, at 12:56 PM,  Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>  wrote:
> 
> > Maybe I'm just an overly optimistic guy, but I think we're  going to be very, 
>very good next season. Look at the seniors we lose - not a  real lot to be 
>derpressed about there. We return lots of people. We will be more  experienced. 
>I'm looking for at least a 9-3 season in 2011. - Jim  B.
> >
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan  4 18:18:54 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  4 18:16:57 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011
In-Reply-To: <-7765281494568288892@unknownmsgid>
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Much too early for me to make any predictions for 2011. I did predict 7-5 this year but got it right for the wrong reasons. I assumed we would only go 3-1 in nc and 4-4 in BT. I am sure we would have been 8-4 if Persa hadn't gone down. But I do find it hard to agree that we will be at least 9-3.  In general we seem to win 1 perhaps 2 games a year that we probably shouldn't or are predicted to but we tend to lose at least one that we should win. In addition it is rare for us to win all of our home games against the big boys. Also we always seem to be short at least a few players from a solid 24 (including both sides of the ball and a P and PK). We tend to get exploited on any weaknesses.  Hopefully Dan will be at full strength and will give us a really good shot at a strong season,but I am not yet willing to stick my neck out

Harry
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To: Jim Bendat<thehaze@earthlink.net>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2011

I fully agree.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Maybe I'm just an overly optimistic guy, but I think we're going to be very, very good next season. Look at the seniors we lose - not a real lot to be derpressed about there. We return lots of people. We will be more experienced. I'm looking for at least a 9-3 season in 2011. - Jim B.
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  4 22:10:52 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan  4 22:10:55 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] RichRod out at Michigan, according to ESPN
In-Reply-To: <201101042003.p04K3QUf013489@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <53467.89847.qm@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

> ESPN is reporting that Rich Rodriguez
> has been fired at Michigan.? 

Whenever the official word comes on this: Duh.

> There's also a report on ESPN that Jim Harbaugh is NOT
> likely to

Poor Michigan ... first the Les Miles saga and now a similar one with Jimmy Harbaugh?

At least Miles' decision was easy to understand with a pretty nice job in Baton Rouge. I just don't see the lure of the NFL. It's a 3-4 year job at best in 99% of the cases, whereas at Michigan or especially Stanford, you can pretty much stay as long as you want. At least in Pete Carroll's case he was skipping town ahead of the NCAA penalties. Harbaugh's a pretty good college coach - why leave that?

Looks like OSU came to play tonight - hope they can hang on for the Big Ten's sake. That and an Oregon win next week might finally shut up the SEC for a couple weeks at least. :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  4 22:15:20 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan  4 22:15:24 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011
In-Reply-To: <728309258-1294186612-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-652641547-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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Obviously a lot will depend on Persa's recovery time - but unlike last year at this time, I'm willing to put on the purple-colored glasses for 2011.

I like our offensive talent and how the freshmen performed in Dallas.

I like our division (is it legends or leaders again? I could care less :) ) with Minny and Michigan in turnover, our confidence vs. Iowa and maybe even UNL having some coach/QB issues.

I like our cross-division schedule, especially compared to what Iowa and Nebraska will have.

We're not the favorite in the west division - but we certainly should be in the thick of it if everyone stays healthy and we don't have the slip-up game (and figure out how to hold a freakin' lead against Sparty ... UGH!:) ).

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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==========================



      

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan  4 22:25:07 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan  4 22:23:09 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011
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Had Persa been ok for the Illinois game, AND we had played it in Evanston, even Zook would
accept that we would have won that game. He was quoted as being glad the game was in
Chicago, a friendlier confine that Ryan Field.

Don't think anyone was going to beat Wisconsin in November, altho most of their early
points were on turnovers.

Better D would not have allowed the two big comebacks, so we could have been playing in a
much bigger bowl game, but you never know.

Defenses get better with speed and experience. Playing frosh over upper classmen is
dangerous - I think Woody Hayes said you lose a game for every frosh you start.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
hakirsch@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:19 PM
To: Alan Abrahamson; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com; Jim Bendat
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2011

Much too early for me to make any predictions for 2011. I did predict 7-5 this year but
got it right for the wrong reasons. I assumed we would only go 3-1 in nc and 4-4 in BT. I
am sure we would have been 8-4 if Persa hadn't gone down. But I do find it hard to agree
that we will be at least 9-3.  In general we seem to win 1 perhaps 2 games a year that we
probably shouldn't or are predicted to but we tend to lose at least one that we should
win. In addition it is rare for us to win all of our home games against the big boys. Also
we always seem to be short at least a few players from a solid 24 (including both sides of
the ball and a P and PK). We tend to get exploited on any weaknesses.  Hopefully Dan will
be at full strength and will give us a really good shot at a strong season,but I am not
yet willing to stick my neck out

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson@gmail.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 14:32:12 
To: Jim Bendat<thehaze@earthlink.net>
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com<nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2011

I fully agree.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Maybe I'm just an overly optimistic guy, but I think we're going to be very, very good
next season. Look at the seniors we lose - not a real lot to be derpressed about there. We
return lots of people. We will be more experienced. I'm looking for at least a 9-3 season
in 2011. - Jim B.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Jan  5 06:40:56 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed Jan  5 06:41:21 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] RichRod out at Michigan, according to ESPN
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This certainly has taken on an aspect of "dead man walking". 

Since the Harbaugh option is off the table, will the new AD there take the risk of another 2-3 years of bad Michigan teams or give Rich Rod another year with a coach in waiting perhaps running the defense?

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2011, at 11:11 PM, "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> ESPN is reporting that Rich Rodriguez
>> has been fired at Michigan.?  
> 
> Whenever the official word comes on this: Duh.
> 
>> There's also a report on ESPN that Jim Harbaugh is NOT
>> likely to
> 
> Poor Michigan ... first the Les Miles saga and now a similar one with Jimmy Harbaugh?
> 
> At least Miles' decision was easy to understand with a pretty nice job in Baton Rouge. I just don't see the lure of the NFL. It's a 3-4 year job at best in 99% of the cases, whereas at Michigan or especially Stanford, you can pretty much stay as long as you want. At least in Pete Carroll's case he was skipping town ahead of the NCAA penalties. Harbaugh's a pretty good college coach - why leave that?
> 
> Looks like OSU came to play tonight - hope they can hang on for the Big Ten's sake. That and an Oregon win next week might finally shut up the SEC for a couple weeks at least. :)
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan  5 07:03:39 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jan  5 07:01:27 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] RichRod out at Michigan, according to ESPN
In-Reply-To: <30A9A6A2-C70F-4641-A82D-7FFDA49FCBD1@covisint.com>
References: <53467.89847.qm@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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"Coach in Waiting" doesn't work well when other teams come calling.

Just ask Maryland

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:41 AM
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Cc: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com; Mike Nolan
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] RichRod out at Michigan, according to ESPN

This certainly has taken on an aspect of "dead man walking". 

Since the Harbaugh option is off the table, will the new AD there take the risk of another 2-3 years of bad Michigan teams or give Rich Rod another year with a coach in waiting perhaps running the defense?

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2011, at 11:11 PM, "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> ESPN is reporting that Rich Rodriguez
>> has been fired at Michigan.?  
> 
> Whenever the official word comes on this: Duh.
> 
>> There's also a report on ESPN that Jim Harbaugh is NOT
>> likely to
> 
> Poor Michigan ... first the Les Miles saga and now a similar one with Jimmy Harbaugh?
> 
> At least Miles' decision was easy to understand with a pretty nice job in Baton Rouge. I just don't see the lure of the NFL. It's a 3-4 year job at best in 99% of the cases, whereas at Michigan or especially Stanford, you can pretty much stay as long as you want. At least in Pete Carroll's case he was skipping town ahead of the NCAA penalties. Harbaugh's a pretty good college coach - why leave that?
> 
> Looks like OSU came to play tonight - hope they can hang on for the Big Ten's sake. That and an Oregon win next week might finally shut up the SEC for a couple weeks at least. :)
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Jan  5 09:58:09 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed Jan  5 09:58:23 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] RichRod out at Michigan, according to ESPN
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http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/artikkel?Dato=20110105&Kategori=COL01&Lopenr=101050452&Ref=AR&template=fullarticle

Interesting take by Mitch Albom on Rodriguez, how fragile tradition can be, and how inept the Michigan administration has been.  

Clearly Rodriguez thought he came in with the mandate to remake the program, but in the process the whole sense of what made Michigan Football special may have been sacrificed.

Now Michigan is at risk of becoming just another big football college program where politics and winning percentage create a boom and bust cycle of coaching changes.

Regardless of the eventual decision, there is a lot of blame to go around here and it appears that Michigan football is the ultimately victim.  This may be good of NU in the short term, but it is bad for college football in the long term.

Jeff

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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:04 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; 'SjT (Stephen J. Truog)'
Cc: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com; 'Mike Nolan'
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] RichRod out at Michigan, according to ESPN

"Coach in Waiting" doesn't work well when other teams come calling.

Just ask Maryland

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 7:41 AM
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Cc: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com; Mike Nolan
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] RichRod out at Michigan, according to ESPN

This certainly has taken on an aspect of "dead man walking". 

Since the Harbaugh option is off the table, will the new AD there take the risk of another 2-3 years of bad Michigan teams or give Rich Rod another year with a coach in waiting perhaps running the defense?

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 4, 2011, at 11:11 PM, "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:

>> ESPN is reporting that Rich Rodriguez
>> has been fired at Michigan.?  
> 
> Whenever the official word comes on this: Duh.
> 
>> There's also a report on ESPN that Jim Harbaugh is NOT
>> likely to
> 
> Poor Michigan ... first the Les Miles saga and now a similar one with Jimmy Harbaugh?
> 
> At least Miles' decision was easy to understand with a pretty nice job in Baton Rouge. I just don't see the lure of the NFL. It's a 3-4 year job at best in 99% of the cases, whereas at Michigan or especially Stanford, you can pretty much stay as long as you want. At least in Pete Carroll's case he was skipping town ahead of the NCAA penalties. Harbaugh's a pretty good college coach - why leave that?
> 
> Looks like OSU came to play tonight - hope they can hang on for the Big Ten's sake. That and an Oregon win next week might finally shut up the SEC for a couple weeks at least. :)
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 10:58:16 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Wed Jan  5 10:58:19 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011
In-Reply-To: <005201cbac90$88b7dc10$9a279430$@com>
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One thing you might all appreciate about next year: Persa already had his
walking boot off in Dallas -- a month ahead of schedule! The guy is
recovering like Wolverine. He is expected to be at full strength for spring
practice. He looked great walking around on the sidelines, almost like he
was ready to go in.

Scott Zeller MD
Med '86

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson@capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> Had Persa been ok for the Illinois game, AND we had played it in Evanston,
> even Zook would
> accept that we would have won that game. He was quoted as being glad the
> game was in
> Chicago, a friendlier confine that Ryan Field.
>
> Don't think anyone was going to beat Wisconsin in November, altho most of
> their early
> points were on turnovers.
>
> Better D would not have allowed the two big comebacks, so we could have
> been playing in a
> much bigger bowl game, but you never know.
>
> Defenses get better with speed and experience. Playing frosh over upper
> classmen is
> dangerous - I think Woody Hayes said you lose a game for every frosh you
> start.
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> "...Then I get on my knees and pray,
> WE DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!" -- Pete Townsend
> ================================================
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of
> hakirsch@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:19 PM
> To: Alan Abrahamson; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com; Jim Bendat
> Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>  Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2011
>
> Much too early for me to make any predictions for 2011. I did predict 7-5
> this year but
> got it right for the wrong reasons. I assumed we would only go 3-1 in nc
> and 4-4 in BT. I
> am sure we would have been 8-4 if Persa hadn't gone down. But I do find it
> hard to agree
> that we will be at least 9-3.  In general we seem to win 1 perhaps 2 games
> a year that we
> probably shouldn't or are predicted to but we tend to lose at least one
> that we should
> win. In addition it is rare for us to win all of our home games against the
> big boys. Also
> we always seem to be short at least a few players from a solid 24
> (including both sides of
> the ball and a P and PK). We tend to get exploited on any weaknesses.
>  Hopefully Dan will
> be at full strength and will give us a really good shot at a strong
> season,but I am not
> yet willing to stick my neck out
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson@gmail.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 14:32:12
> To: Jim Bendat<thehaze@earthlink.net>
> Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com<nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2011
>
> I fully agree.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 4, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Maybe I'm just an overly optimistic guy, but I think we're going to be
> very, very good
> next season. Look at the seniors we lose - not a real lot to be derpressed
> about there. We
> return lots of people. We will be more experienced. I'm looking for at
> least a 9-3 season
> in 2011. - Jim B.
> >
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Jan  5 11:47:38 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Jan  5 11:47:39 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] RichRod out at Michigan, according to ESPN
In-Reply-To: <53467.89847.qm@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> from "SjT \(Stephen
	J. Truog\)" at Jan 04, 2011 08:10:52 PM
Message-ID: <201101051747.p05Hlc5Y017714@romaine.tssi.com>

> Looks like OSU came to play tonight - hope they can hang on for the Big Ten's sake. That and an Oregon win next week might finally shut up the SEC for a couple weeks at least. :)

I would say that Ohio State was pretty lucky that Arkansas receivers had
their stone gloves on last night.  

As Tom Deinhart says, they should play this one again, it was entertaining
on several levels.  
--
Mike Nolan

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Wed Jan  5 11:47:54 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan  5 11:48:21 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011
In-Reply-To: <664597.80325.qm@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CD7B17D0E50975-1DC8-4BEB0@Webmail-d110.sysops.aol.com>



    2011:  I'm optimistic that in the 2nd half of the season, we started (key word...started)  establishing a running game for the first time in 1 and a half seasons, and I'm REALLY excited about Adonis Smith, Kain Colter, Venric Mark, Tony Jones and Rashad Lawrence.  
    Master of the Obvious:  Our defense collectively disappeared, which was quite disheartening.  I'm not so sure we'll be better, but if we can keep the ppg. below 31, we'll win alot of games. Hopefully Persa, being the field general he is, will keep our defense off the field.  No surprise that we allowed 45-50 points a game in the last 3 games; Persa knew how to move the sticks; that's what I liked about Colter in the 2nd half vs. Tech.
   I like Mike's comment that with Nebraska in the mix, our conference should do better in bowl games.   Out of our 8 losses, we've been decided underdogs in 6 of those games, with USC and Bowling Green being the only exceptions.  No excuses, but it would be nice to be favored one of these years.
   I predicted 8-4 this season because of our soft schedule.  I believe we took a small step back, but not a huge drop-off; let's face it, the defense stunk.  Persa  saw to that by himself.  What a splendid job he did!   
   Looking forward to Spring ball, and still believe our basketball team, with Shurna healthy, will be atleast a "bubble" team.  

    GO CATS!!!                Eric





-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson@gmail.com>; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com; Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>; hakirsch@aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 4, 2011 11:15 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 2011


Obviously a lot will depend on Persa's recovery time - but unlike last year at 
his time, I'm willing to put on the purple-colored glasses for 2011.
I like our offensive talent and how the freshmen performed in Dallas.
I like our division (is it legends or leaders again? I could care less :) ) with 
inny and Michigan in turnover, our confidence vs. Iowa and maybe even UNL 
aving some coach/QB issues.
I like our cross-division schedule, especially compared to what Iowa and 
ebraska will have.
We're not the favorite in the west division - but we certainly should be in the 
hick of it if everyone stays healthy and we don't have the slip-up game (and 
igure out how to hold a freakin' lead against Sparty ... UGH!:) ).
GO CATS!!!
SjT
* * * * * * * * *
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jtruog@yahoo.com
O CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
uper Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jan  5 14:26:22 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Jan  5 14:26:37 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011
References: <24294917.1294174579765.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net><-7765281494568288892@unknownmsgid><728309258-1294186612-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-652641547-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><005201cbac90$88b7dc10$9a279430$@com>
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Message-ID: <37B1F00B10C44340B316234DA8736233@DennisMachine>

> The guy is recovering like Wolverine.

NO!  Recovering like a WILDCAT!  Wolverines are suffering a long-term 
illness just now. 

From scottzel at gmail.com  Wed Jan  5 18:45:56 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Wed Jan  5 18:45:59 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011
In-Reply-To: <37B1F00B10C44340B316234DA8736233@DennisMachine>
References: <24294917.1294174579765.JavaMail.root@wamui-bucket.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<-7765281494568288892@unknownmsgid>
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I speak not of the RichRodless, but of the X-Man Wolverine whose superpower
is he can heal almost instantly from any injury.

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

>  The guy is recovering like Wolverine.
>>
>
> NO!  Recovering like a WILDCAT!  Wolverines are suffering a long-term
> illness just now.
>
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Jan  5 19:14:27 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Jan  5 19:14:29 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinBZHfF2ttma=QT_jnwKDjPcT6N_hFsupZw6_Gc@mail.gmail.com>
	from "Scott Zeller" at Jan 05, 2011 04:45:56 PM
Message-ID: <201101060114.p061ERYe019326@romaine.tssi.com>

> I speak not of the RichRodless, but of the X-Man Wolverine whose superpower
> is he can heal almost instantly from any injury.

I suspect it will take a fair amount of time (or a superhero) to heal
the Wolverines' problems quickly.  Their AD even screwed up the firing.
--
Mike Nolan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan  6 07:37:29 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan  6 07:35:28 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna no 100%
Message-ID: <000101cbada6$dd11f8b0$9735ea10$@com>

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0106-bits-northwestern-basketb20110105
,0,4419648.story

anyone who watched the game with MSU knew that....

but will he get well enough to lead NU to the dance?

rsl


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
"...Then I get on my knees and pray,
WE DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!" -- Pete Townsend
================================================




From thehaze at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  6 20:42:37 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Thu Jan  6 20:42:59 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!
Message-ID: <23594890.1294368157219.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Don't know whether Michigan actually offered Fitz their head coaching job, but they at least talked with him about it. Who do they think they are? - Notre Dame may have gotten Ara back in '64, but Fitz bleeds purple.

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/22169/despite-michigan-interest-fitz-staying-put

Jim B.

From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan  6 22:19:23 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan  6 22:19:28 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. ILL
Message-ID: <F1A224492F7C46A582709409C5DFB996@DennisMachine>

What a pathetic effort that was.  Can we even describe it as an "effort."  Another exciting 0 - 3 start to the Big Ten season.  That fluttering sound you hear is the post-season flying away.  There is more wrong with this basketball team than John Shurna's sprained ankle.
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Jan  6 23:20:48 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Jan  6 23:20:50 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!
In-Reply-To: <23594890.1294368157219.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	from "Jim Bendat" at Jan 06, 2011 06:42:37 PM
Message-ID: <201101070520.p075Km2S024546@romaine.tssi.com>

> Don't know whether Michigan actually offered Fitz their head coaching job, but they at least talked with him about it. Who do they think they are? - Notre Dame may have gotten Ara back in '64, but Fitz bleeds purple.

Sounds like:

A.  Someone's pipe dream
B.  Informed sources who aren't
C.  Michigan is really desperate

Of course those are not mutually exclusive.
--
Mike Nolan

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 00:00:48 2011
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Jan  7 00:01:15 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!
In-Reply-To: <201101070520.p075Km2S024546@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <23594890.1294368157219.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
	<201101070520.p075Km2S024546@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=tB8yWyGXPYJe5BtB_-wczQo9x88oug-5nsz3D@mail.gmail.com>

Unlike rumors in previous years (i.e. last year with ND) I believe Michigan
seriously wanted to interview Fitz and this report came from multiple media
sources (Joe Schad, Teddy Greenstein).  He fit a lot of what they were
looking for (his personality, his defensive-mindedness, and following the
rules both on and off the field).  While it wasn't a job offer it would
definitely have put him on the short list.

Fortunately for us, he has things pretty much set here in Evanston as Teddy
explains here:

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/greenstein-nus-fitzgerald-not-headed-to-michigan.html

I believe Fitz when he talks about his connection with NU, and although
he'll likely keep his options open down the road I think he'll stay around
here as long as he can because he does have it pretty good here and gets a
lot of extra things like his family and extended family.

Jonathan

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:

> > Don't know whether Michigan actually offered Fitz their head coaching
> job, but they at least talked with him about it. Who do they think they are?
> - Notre Dame may have gotten Ara back in '64, but Fitz bleeds purple.
>
> Sounds like:
>
> A.  Someone's pipe dream
> B.  Informed sources who aren't
> C.  Michigan is really desperate
>
> Of course those are not mutually exclusive.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jan  7 07:34:31 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jan  7 07:32:16 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=tB8yWyGXPYJe5BtB_-wczQo9x88oug-5nsz3D@mail.gmail.com>
References: <23594890.1294368157219.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<201101070520.p075Km2S024546@romaine.tssi.com>
	<AANLkTi=tB8yWyGXPYJe5BtB_-wczQo9x88oug-5nsz3D@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101cbae6f$9d716b90$d85442b0$@com>

When I was in high school, we had a gentleman who very successfully coached the football
team.

His name was Joe Cody, Newsday's "cautious crier," so named because every pre-season he
would point out all the reasons why the Frogs wouldn't win their division again. 

Anyway, just about every year Joe Cody was approached by colleges asking if he would
consider taking his winning ways to the college ranks.
 
When asked about moving "up" he used to answer - "Alumni don't fire high school coaches."

Pat Fitzgerald is in that wonderful position of a coach who maybe doesn't have to win a
title every year to successfully keep his job. To be sure, there are alums who are even
now griping about his coaching style, but remember that while NU has allowed a many head
coach contracts to expire, they've rarely fired a head coach for losing seasons.

This year we've heard rumbles about Fitz and N**** D***, State Penn and now Michigan.

Maybe Fitz is on a lot of short lists, but I personally think that he shares something
with the late Randy Walker. 

He wants to stay around Evanston and coach the Wildcats, and in retirement he just wants a
couple of seats in Ryan near the 50, and as an alum, he'd probably pay for them himself. 

rsl
 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
"...Then I get on my knees and pray,
WE DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!" -- Pete Townsend
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:01 AM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!

Unlike rumors in previous years (i.e. last year with ND) I believe Michigan
seriously wanted to interview Fitz and this report came from multiple media
sources (Joe Schad, Teddy Greenstein).  He fit a lot of what they were
looking for (his personality, his defensive-mindedness, and following the
rules both on and off the field).  While it wasn't a job offer it would
definitely have put him on the short list.

Fortunately for us, he has things pretty much set here in Evanston as Teddy
explains here:

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/greenstein-nus-fitzgerald-not-headed-to-michi
gan.html

I believe Fitz when he talks about his connection with NU, and although
he'll likely keep his options open down the road I think he'll stay around
here as long as he can because he does have it pretty good here and gets a
lot of extra things like his family and extended family.

Jonathan

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:

> > Don't know whether Michigan actually offered Fitz their head coaching
> job, but they at least talked with him about it. Who do they think they are?
> - Notre Dame may have gotten Ara back in '64, but Fitz bleeds purple.
>
> Sounds like:
>
> A.  Someone's pipe dream
> B.  Informed sources who aren't
> C.  Michigan is really desperate
>
> Of course those are not mutually exclusive.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Jan  7 08:19:03 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  7 08:17:52 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!
In-Reply-To: <000101cbae6f$9d716b90$d85442b0$@com>
References: <23594890.1294368157219.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>	<201101070520.p075Km2S024546@romaine.tssi.com><AANLkTi=tB8yWyGXPYJe5BtB_-wczQo9x88oug-5nsz3D@mail.gmail.com><000101cbae6f$9d716b90$d85442b0$@com>
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It is interesting to contrast Roy's view of Fitz--which I happen to share--with the saga of Rich Rod.  He, too, was coaching at his alma mater, where he had played.  He was secure and probably beloved and iconic in West Virginia, albeit more experienced and well-traveled than our young Fitz.  He also had a team that clearly was competitive for the national title and was successful in recruiting.  Yet he could not resist the siren call of the Big House, the big stage and the big money.  And now, having been exposed as a quasi-sleaze (both for the circumstances of his departure and his cavalier attitude towards NCAA Rules and the prior regime at UM) and not a "genius", he probably regrets his move "up" to Ann Arbor.

What I like most about the overture to Fitz is the clear emphasis on his attractiveness due in no small measure to his integrity.  What I fear most about it is that maybe there is one school (Penn State? Illinois?) That could possibly tempt our Joe Pa to consider leaving his "home" for a different challenge.  I think the odds are heavily against it, but I never say never.

Paul Levinson
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:34:31 
To: 'Jonathan Hodges'<jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>; 'Mike Nolan'<nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!

When I was in high school, we had a gentleman who very successfully coached the football
team.

His name was Joe Cody, Newsday's "cautious crier," so named because every pre-season he
would point out all the reasons why the Frogs wouldn't win their division again. 

Anyway, just about every year Joe Cody was approached by colleges asking if he would
consider taking his winning ways to the college ranks.
 
When asked about moving "up" he used to answer - "Alumni don't fire high school coaches."

Pat Fitzgerald is in that wonderful position of a coach who maybe doesn't have to win a
title every year to successfully keep his job. To be sure, there are alums who are even
now griping about his coaching style, but remember that while NU has allowed a many head
coach contracts to expire, they've rarely fired a head coach for losing seasons.

This year we've heard rumbles about Fitz and N**** D***, State Penn and now Michigan.

Maybe Fitz is on a lot of short lists, but I personally think that he shares something
with the late Randy Walker. 

He wants to stay around Evanston and coach the Wildcats, and in retirement he just wants a
couple of seats in Ryan near the 50, and as an alum, he'd probably pay for them himself. 

rsl
 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
"...Then I get on my knees and pray,
WE DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!" -- Pete Townsend
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:01 AM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!

Unlike rumors in previous years (i.e. last year with ND) I believe Michigan
seriously wanted to interview Fitz and this report came from multiple media
sources (Joe Schad, Teddy Greenstein).  He fit a lot of what they were
looking for (his personality, his defensive-mindedness, and following the
rules both on and off the field).  While it wasn't a job offer it would
definitely have put him on the short list.

Fortunately for us, he has things pretty much set here in Evanston as Teddy
explains here:

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/greenstein-nus-fitzgerald-not-headed-to-michi
gan.html

I believe Fitz when he talks about his connection with NU, and although
he'll likely keep his options open down the road I think he'll stay around
here as long as he can because he does have it pretty good here and gets a
lot of extra things like his family and extended family.

Jonathan

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:

> > Don't know whether Michigan actually offered Fitz their head coaching
> job, but they at least talked with him about it. Who do they think they are?
> - Notre Dame may have gotten Ara back in '64, but Fitz bleeds purple.
>
> Sounds like:
>
> A.  Someone's pipe dream
> B.  Informed sources who aren't
> C.  Michigan is really desperate
>
> Of course those are not mutually exclusive.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
>_______________________________________________
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  7 09:04:15 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Fri Jan  7 09:04:22 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!
In-Reply-To: <491030658-1294409844-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1687775675-@bda065.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <23594890.1294368157219.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Excellent point, Paul.

I think that a key word in your second paragraph is "challenge".? The key one 
that's unfulfilled for Fitz right now is to win a bowl game, and he seems to 
desparately want that.? I don't think that he considers leaving (regardless to 
where) until he climbs that mountain.? Presumably the Big Ten title and national 
championship are next on his list, but not as compelling as the bowl.





________________________________
From: "neonrye@aol.com" <neonrye@aol.com>
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com; 
Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>; Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 8:19:03 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!

It is interesting to contrast Roy's view of Fitz--which I happen to share--with 
the saga of Rich Rod.? He, too, was coaching at his alma mater, where he had 
played.? He was secure and probably beloved and iconic in West Virginia, albeit 
more experienced and well-traveled than our young Fitz.? He also had a team that 
clearly was competitive for the national title and was successful in 
recruiting.? Yet he could not resist the siren call of the Big House, the big 
stage and the big money.? And now, having been exposed as a quasi-sleaze (both 
for the circumstances of his departure and his cavalier attitude towards NCAA 
Rules and the prior regime at UM) and not a "genius", he probably regrets his 
move "up" to Ann Arbor.

What I like most about the overture to Fitz is the clear emphasis on his 
attractiveness due in no small measure to his integrity.? What I fear most about 
it is that maybe there is one school (Penn State? Illinois?) That could possibly 
tempt our Joe Pa to consider leaving his "home" for a different challenge.? I 
think the odds are heavily against it, but I never say never.

Paul Levinson
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:34:31 
To: 'Jonathan Hodges'<jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>; 'Mike 
Nolan'<nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!

When I was in high school, we had a gentleman who very successfully coached the 
football
team.

His name was Joe Cody, Newsday's "cautious crier," so named because every 
pre-season he
would point out all the reasons why the Frogs wouldn't win their division again. 


Anyway, just about every year Joe Cody was approached by colleges asking if he 
would
consider taking his winning ways to the college ranks.

When asked about moving "up" he used to answer - "Alumni don't fire high school 
coaches."

Pat Fitzgerald is in that wonderful position of a coach who maybe doesn't have 
to win a
title every year to successfully keep his job. To be sure, there are alums who 
are even
now griping about his coaching style, but remember that while NU has allowed a 
many head
coach contracts to expire, they've rarely fired a head coach for losing seasons.

This year we've heard rumbles about Fitz and N**** D***, State Penn and now 
Michigan.

Maybe Fitz is on a lot of short lists, but I personally think that he shares 
something
with the late Randy Walker. 

He wants to stay around Evanston and coach the Wildcats, and in retirement he 
just wants a
couple of seats in Ryan near the 50, and as an alum, he'd probably pay for them 
himself. 


rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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? Senior League Softball World Series
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Of
Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:01 AM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!

Unlike rumors in previous years (i.e. last year with ND) I believe Michigan
seriously wanted to interview Fitz and this report came from multiple media
sources (Joe Schad, Teddy Greenstein).? He fit a lot of what they were
looking for (his personality, his defensive-mindedness, and following the
rules both on and off the field).? While it wasn't a job offer it would
definitely have put him on the short list.

Fortunately for us, he has things pretty much set here in Evanston as Teddy
explains here:

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/greenstein-nus-fitzgerald-not-headed-to-michi

gan.html

I believe Fitz when he talks about his connection with NU, and although
he'll likely keep his options open down the road I think he'll stay around
here as long as he can because he does have it pretty good here and gets a
lot of extra things like his family and extended family.

Jonathan

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:

> > Don't know whether Michigan actually offered Fitz their head coaching
> job, but they at least talked with him about it. Who do they think they are?
> - Notre Dame may have gotten Ara back in '64, but Fitz bleeds purple.
>
> Sounds like:
>
> A.? Someone's pipe dream
> B.? Informed sources who aren't
> C.? Michigan is really desperate
>
> Of course those are not mutually exclusive.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Jan  7 09:05:10 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Jan  7 09:05:32 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!
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I'm happy that Fitz is staying, but I am sad at how this is playing out for what had been a premiere college football program.  
 
Michigan is supposed to be a "dream" job virtually any coach in the country would jump at.  Iinstead it is becoming another tawdry side show where the rest of the sporting world gets to watch as a whole series of coaches tell Michigan that they aren't interested.  
 
The ham handed way that Martin handled the Rodriguez hiring damaged Michigan's image as a top tier organization.  It only got worse from there.  The bitter political in-fighting after the hire pretty much doomed the Rodriguez era before it started.  He clearly didn't help his own case with an insensitive house cleaning that sent a lot of kids out the door to places like OSU and Arkansas.  Sloppy record keeping led to Michigan's first NCAA investigation and self-imposed penalties.  Ultimately, poor performance on the field sealed the deal. 
 
Even in the face of all of that, my impression is that Martin's replacement, Brandon, was looking for something, anything to justify keeping Rodriguez for another season.  By all rights, Rodriguez should have been fired at the end of the regular season.  As others in the press have pointed out, he probably could have hired Harbaugh at that point because there weren't all of the other opportunities he is looking at now on the table.  In any case, it's clear now that Brandon didn't have a plan other than the hope that Michigan would have a good enough bowl game to earn Rodriguez another season.  That didn't happen and how Brandon has to wander the countryside hat in hand looking for someone who is willing to take on what now looks like a dangerous job - rebuilding the Michigan program with a deeply divided and very unhappy set of alums and boosters debating every move.
 
Jeff

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Sent: Fri 1/7/2011 1:00 AM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!



Unlike rumors in previous years (i.e. last year with ND) I believe Michigan
seriously wanted to interview Fitz and this report came from multiple media
sources (Joe Schad, Teddy Greenstein).  He fit a lot of what they were
looking for (his personality, his defensive-mindedness, and following the
rules both on and off the field).  While it wasn't a job offer it would
definitely have put him on the short list.

Fortunately for us, he has things pretty much set here in Evanston as Teddy
explains here:

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/greenstein-nus-fitzgerald-not-headed-to-michigan.html

I believe Fitz when he talks about his connection with NU, and although
he'll likely keep his options open down the road I think he'll stay around
here as long as he can because he does have it pretty good here and gets a
lot of extra things like his family and extended family.

Jonathan

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:

> > Don't know whether Michigan actually offered Fitz their head coaching
> job, but they at least talked with him about it. Who do they think they are?
> - Notre Dame may have gotten Ara back in '64, but Fitz bleeds purple.
>
> Sounds like:
>
> A.  Someone's pipe dream
> B.  Informed sources who aren't
> C.  Michigan is really desperate
>
> Of course those are not mutually exclusive.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Fri Jan  7 09:58:55 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Fri Jan  7 09:59:13 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!
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On 1/7/2011 9:05 AM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> I'm happy that Fitz is staying, but I am sad at how this is playing out for what had been a premiere college football program.
>
> Michigan is supposed to be a "dream" job virtually any coach in the country would jump at.  Iinstead it is becoming another tawdry side show where the rest of the sporting world gets to watch as a whole series of coaches tell Michigan that they aren't interested.

I suppose it is sad for Michigan, but they aren't the first "premiere 
college football program" to learn the hard way that times have changed. 
Notre Dame, USC, Nebraska, Miami (and I could go on) have all been 
there. It's a symptom of what is otherwise a good thing: increased 
competition in top-level college football.

It may have started with scholarship restrictions, so the big programs 
can't pad their depth chart with top athletes the way they used to -- 
and now those athletes are playing against them week after week -- but 
some ADs (and plenty of alumni) still act like it's 1975 and have the 
same expectations. As a result, good coaches are fired, their 
replacements generally don't do much better, and other coaches start to 
wonder what the upside is to working at a place where "success" is now 
virtually impossible.

There are other factors -- increased media attention, infusion of cash 
and pressure, etc. -- but at the center lies a simple fact: the big 
programs aren't what they used to be and never will be again. Schools 
that refuse to adapt to this reality will suffer the way Michigan has 
(and other schools have before them). For me, that's fine; I certainly 
would prefer not to turn back the clock.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jan  7 10:11:48 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jan  7 10:09:48 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!
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I haven't been inside the team theater at NU for a while but RW used to have a team goals
plaque that started, "Be a Northwestern Graduate" followed by "win a National
Championship." It ended with the scheduled teams for that year with the earliest games on
the bottom.

 

The one monkey RW could never get off his back was the bowl win. He got the team to a
bunch of bowls, more than even Barnett but that bowl win proved to be elusive.

 

Fitz has already outperformed his predecessors - RW never could get beyond the 6-6 season
and GB had a couple of winners, but  also had 5 losing season. Fitz is on a roll with a
34-29 record with more to come.

 

If I had to guess on Fitz' goals for next year? Get to a better bowl and win it in a
defensive struggle. Maybe even get nationally ranked.

 

I'd also take Persa being one of the top 5 for the Heisman, but there's another QB who
should be in that mix out at Stanford.

 

rsl

 

 

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Computer Applications & Support Associates

-------------------- Also ----------------------

"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball

Director Media Relations - Little League 

  Senior League Softball World Series

CTRCS USN/USNR Retired

Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968

Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)

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"...Then I get on my knees and pray,

WE DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!" -- Pete Townsend

================================================

 

From: Evans Schoeman [mailto:eschoeman@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:04 AM
To: neonrye@aol.com; Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com; Jonathan Hodges; Mike
Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!

 

Excellent point, Paul.

I think that a key word in your second paragraph is "challenge".  The key one that's
unfulfilled for Fitz right now is to win a bowl game, and he seems to desparately want
that.  I don't think that he considers leaving (regardless to where) until he climbs that
mountain.  Presumably the Big Ten title and national championship are next on his list,
but not as compelling as the bowl.

 

  _____  

From: "neonrye@aol.com" <neonrye@aol.com>
To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com; Jonathan
Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>; Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 8:19:03 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!

It is interesting to contrast Roy's view of Fitz--which I happen to share--with the saga
of Rich Rod.  He, too, was coaching at his alma mater, where he had played.  He was secure
and probably beloved and iconic in West Virginia, albeit more experienced and
well-traveled than our young Fitz.  He also had a team that clearly was competitive for
the national title and was successful in recruiting.  Yet he could not resist the siren
call of the Big House, the big stage and the big money.  And now, having been exposed as a
quasi-sleaze (both for the circumstances of his departure and his cavalier attitude
towards NCAA Rules and the prior regime at UM) and not a "genius", he probably regrets his
move "up" to Ann Arbor.

What I like most about the overture to Fitz is the clear emphasis on his attractiveness
due in no small measure to his integrity.  What I fear most about it is that maybe there
is one school (Penn State? Illinois?) That could possibly tempt our Joe Pa to consider
leaving his "home" for a different challenge.  I think the odds are heavily against it,
but I never say never.

Paul Levinson
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 08:34:31 
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Cc: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!

When I was in high school, we had a gentleman who very successfully coached the football
team.

His name was Joe Cody, Newsday's "cautious crier," so named because every pre-season he
would point out all the reasons why the Frogs wouldn't win their division again. 

Anyway, just about every year Joe Cody was approached by colleges asking if he would
consider taking his winning ways to the college ranks.

When asked about moving "up" he used to answer - "Alumni don't fire high school coaches."

Pat Fitzgerald is in that wonderful position of a coach who maybe doesn't have to win a
title every year to successfully keep his job. To be sure, there are alums who are even
now griping about his coaching style, but remember that while NU has allowed a many head
coach contracts to expire, they've rarely fired a head coach for losing seasons.

This year we've heard rumbles about Fitz and N**** D***, State Penn and now Michigan.

Maybe Fitz is on a lot of short lists, but I personally think that he shares something
with the late Randy Walker. 

He wants to stay around Evanston and coach the Wildcats, and in retirement he just wants a
couple of seats in Ryan near the 50, and as an alum, he'd probably pay for them himself. 

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
"...Then I get on my knees and pray,
WE DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!" -- Pete Townsend
================================================


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:01 AM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!

Unlike rumors in previous years (i.e. last year with ND) I believe Michigan
seriously wanted to interview Fitz and this report came from multiple media
sources (Joe Schad, Teddy Greenstein).  He fit a lot of what they were
looking for (his personality, his defensive-mindedness, and following the
rules both on and off the field).  While it wasn't a job offer it would
definitely have put him on the short list.

Fortunately for us, he has things pretty much set here in Evanston as Teddy
explains here:

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/greenstein-nus-fitzgerald-not-headed-to-michi
gan.html

I believe Fitz when he talks about his connection with NU, and although
he'll likely keep his options open down the road I think he'll stay around
here as long as he can because he does have it pretty good here and gets a
lot of extra things like his family and extended family.

Jonathan

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 11:20 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:

> > Don't know whether Michigan actually offered Fitz their head coaching
> job, but they at least talked with him about it. Who do they think they are?
> - Notre Dame may have gotten Ara back in '64, but Fitz bleeds purple.
>
> Sounds like:
>
> A.  Someone's pipe dream
> B.  Informed sources who aren't
> C.  Michigan is really desperate
>
> Of course those are not mutually exclusive.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Jan  7 11:38:32 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Jan  7 11:38:49 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!
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I think it is a cautionary tale for NU too.
 
Michigan had a thrity+ year unbroken string of coaches who could trace themselves back to Bo.  They chose to break that string with Rodriguez because they were afraid what OSU had in Jim Tressel.  Now they are paying the price of being just ordinary for a while until they can find someone to either pick that string back up, or start a new one.
 
Hopefully PSU is watching and will gacefully transition to Bradley rather than respond to the pressures of groups who feel that JoePa's brand of football is out of style.
 
We're in the very early stages of building an enduring tradition here at NU.  Fitz is the one who will lead this program to the promised land BECAUSE he bridges the gap between our two great prophets - GB and RW.  I think he knows that he has the ability to become the next JoePa, but at Northwestern, not PSU.
 
So we as faithful have to also be careful to treasure the tradition that he is building and remind folks, when the program has a down year, that it is the traditions that make football programs special and not last year's won-loss record.
 
Jeff 
 
 


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Eric West
Sent: Fri 1/7/2011 10:58 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!



On 1/7/2011 9:05 AM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> I'm happy that Fitz is staying, but I am sad at how this is playing out for what had been a premiere college football program.
>
> Michigan is supposed to be a "dream" job virtually any coach in the country would jump at.  Iinstead it is becoming another tawdry side show where the rest of the sporting world gets to watch as a whole series of coaches tell Michigan that they aren't interested.

I suppose it is sad for Michigan, but they aren't the first "premiere
college football program" to learn the hard way that times have changed.
Notre Dame, USC, Nebraska, Miami (and I could go on) have all been
there. It's a symptom of what is otherwise a good thing: increased
competition in top-level college football.

It may have started with scholarship restrictions, so the big programs
can't pad their depth chart with top athletes the way they used to --
and now those athletes are playing against them week after week -- but
some ADs (and plenty of alumni) still act like it's 1975 and have the
same expectations. As a result, good coaches are fired, their
replacements generally don't do much better, and other coaches start to
wonder what the upside is to working at a place where "success" is now
virtually impossible.

There are other factors -- increased media attention, infusion of cash
and pressure, etc. -- but at the center lies a simple fact: the big
programs aren't what they used to be and never will be again. Schools
that refuse to adapt to this reality will suffer the way Michigan has
(and other schools have before them). For me, that's fine; I certainly
would prefer not to turn back the clock.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Fri Jan  7 12:02:17 2011
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Fri Jan  7 12:03:32 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
Message-ID: <000301cbae95$06762fc0$13628f40$@warnerpatents.com>

I thought Carmody should have been dumped 5 years ago when the team
consisted of all his own recruits and couldn't perform.  Nothing has
changed.  I've kept quiet because I've seen over the past 40 years that
telling the NU administration that is should do something obvious is a
sure-fire way to make sure it won't happen.  However, I can no longer take
it.

 

After all of the build-up for the past year that this was finally going to
be the year we'd make it to the Dance (and in previous years of telling
ourselves that the future looked better each year), last night's fiasco was
the final straw (of many straws that have been building of the years).  Dump
Carmody, sooner rather than later.

 

Hardy is the one who has been getting credit for the recruiting in-roads we
supposedly have been making.  Let him get some coaching credibility as well.
Name Hardy interim by mid-season.  He can't do worse than Carmody.  If Hardy
does well enough through the rest of the season, it might warrant removing
the "interim" label.

 

The problem, of course, is that the NU admin rarely, if ever, fires anybody.
(Even Francis Peay wasn't fired; his contract was simply allowed to run out
and GB was hired.)  It would be nice if Morty and Jim could shake some of
the NU "warm and fuzzies" and just dump Carmody now.  This is an opportunity
for Morty and Jim to show us what they are made of.  We'll see.

 

As for Carmody, he'll land on his feet.  The Big Ten Network has had success
with its former (less than successful) Big Ten football coaches (DiNardo and
Mason) as football analysts.  However, the BTN doesn't have comparable
analysts on the basketball side.  Carmody can get a job there.

 

Peter

 

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 12:28:14 2011
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Jan  7 12:28:51 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
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I am usually last in line to call for firing of coaches but I completely
agree with this assessment.  In fact, I agreed back in 2008 (and again in
2009) as documented at HTP:

2008 article: http://hailtopurple.com/jhodges/comment8c16.html

2009 article: http://hailtopurple.com/jhodges/comment9c20.html

I was hopeful last year which was possibly the closes that NU has come to
making the tourney and featured NU's 2nd consecutive trip to the NIT (the
only time ever that NU has gone to consecutive postseason tournaments) and
their first appearance in the rankings in forever.  And last year NU had
some guys that looked good/promising with eligibility remaining (Shurna,
Thompson, Crawford) plus an incoming guy that looked as though he may be
able to play right away (Cobb).  Plus, with Coble coming back 2010-2011
definitely looked to be the year.

That was then, this is now.  Coble was essentially run off by Carmody.  The
team still completely lacks any inside presence and therefore can be
dominated when a team makes a point of getting the ball inside, and they get
outrebounded against any respectable opponent.  The offense looked good
early but it is completely dependent on Shurna as demonstrated during their
current losing streak to start Big Ten play when he's been hampered with an
ankle sprain.  Nobody else has really stepped up despite some having
potential (Crawford, in particular).

In any case, it would be unwise to continue calling out players because
their performance is pretty clearly a symptom of the greater problem which
goes up to the program and coach level.  We've seen it time and time again
and the ceiling for NU MBB under Carmody is a season where NU can beat up on
the little guys, get close to mediocrity in Big Ten play, and head to the
NIT.

Carmody was given more than enough time to make that NCAA berth happen - 3
years ago.  It has to be beyond time now and while NU does rarely fire a
head coach, as others have noted, I believe Phillips would be willing to
make a move (I believe Carmody has 1 year left on his current contract after
this season, which was apparently purposefully not renewed going into this
year).

Also, I am almost always opposed to firing head coaches mid-season, but I
think NU is getting close to the breaking point.  Continue the current
downward trend and NU would be better off pulling the trigger and seeing if
Tavaras can be the guy and if not there will be plenty of time to find
someone who can give it a shot.

Jonathan

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Peter C. Warner <pcw@warnerpatents.com>wrote:

> I thought Carmody should have been dumped 5 years ago when the team
> consisted of all his own recruits and couldn't perform.  Nothing has
> changed.  I've kept quiet because I've seen over the past 40 years that
> telling the NU administration that is should do something obvious is a
> sure-fire way to make sure it won't happen.  However, I can no longer take
> it.
>
>
>
> After all of the build-up for the past year that this was finally going to
> be the year we'd make it to the Dance (and in previous years of telling
> ourselves that the future looked better each year), last night's fiasco was
> the final straw (of many straws that have been building of the years).
>  Dump
> Carmody, sooner rather than later.
>
>
>
> Hardy is the one who has been getting credit for the recruiting in-roads we
> supposedly have been making.  Let him get some coaching credibility as
> well.
> Name Hardy interim by mid-season.  He can't do worse than Carmody.  If
> Hardy
> does well enough through the rest of the season, it might warrant removing
> the "interim" label.
>
>
>
> The problem, of course, is that the NU admin rarely, if ever, fires
> anybody.
> (Even Francis Peay wasn't fired; his contract was simply allowed to run out
> and GB was hired.)  It would be nice if Morty and Jim could shake some of
> the NU "warm and fuzzies" and just dump Carmody now.  This is an
> opportunity
> for Morty and Jim to show us what they are made of.  We'll see.
>
>
>
> As for Carmody, he'll land on his feet.  The Big Ten Network has had
> success
> with its former (less than successful) Big Ten football coaches (DiNardo
> and
> Mason) as football analysts.  However, the BTN doesn't have comparable
> analysts on the basketball side.  Carmody can get a job there.
>
>
>
> Peter
>
>
>
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Fri Jan  7 14:36:10 2011
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  7 14:36:29 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
Message-ID: <5b715.7efb5535.3a58d33a@aol.com>

Over the years the question has coagulated in my mind: How can a coach  
perform so well at one institution and fail so spectacularly at another? 
Perhaps  someone among our group can offer a theory.
Don Williams
C55
 
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 14:59:44 2011
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Jan  7 15:00:22 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
In-Reply-To: <5b715.7efb5535.3a58d33a@aol.com>
References: <5b715.7efb5535.3a58d33a@aol.com>
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For Carmody, the main reason is a COMPLETELY different level of
competition.  At Princeton, he was in the Ivy League which remains in Div. I
basketball despite not giving athletic scholarships.  The level of
competition there pales in comparison to even mid-major conferences, let
alone the Big Ten.  While the "system" (i.e. the Princeton offense) was very
effective against relatively equal levels of poor talent, they obviously
haven't worked well against teams with substantially greater talent.  And
although there have been a few bright spots in terms of talent at NU under
him (Shurna is one), overall NU is still far behind others in the
conference.

Also, while he made the NCAA tournament 2 seasons at Princeton, he only won
one tourney game: in 1998 as a #5 seed.  They were knocked out in the second
round by MSU.  Overall he honestly didn't have that much success except
against lower tier competition (Ivy League).

While it seemed like a solid hire at the time (2000), it's pretty clear that
he hasn't been able to transplant his system into a top tier conference.
Not that he hasn't done anything, though, as he's kept NU out of the
basement most seasons and has had NU in contention for the NIT during almost
half of his tenure, which is quite a bit better than most periods in NU
basketball history.  (To compare to football, it would be like NU hiring an
FCS coach who runs a "gimmick" offense and instead of leading them to a
conference title like Barnett & Walker, he would go to 2 low tier bowls
(think Detroit) during a 10 year span - fortunately Barnett, Walker, and
Fitz have been substantially more successful than that).  It's just time to
take it to the next level.

Jonathan

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:36 PM, <AJWDBW@aol.com> wrote:

>  Over the years the question has coagulated in my mind: How can a coach
> perform so well at one institution and fail so spectacularly at another?
> Perhaps someone among our group can offer a theory.
> Don Williams
> C55
>
>
From herms at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  7 15:11:08 2011
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Fri Jan  7 15:11:44 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikv1C8wu8m+Yz989+Y+B8V+CGAPWBZrsv1H1kq-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5b715.7efb5535.3a58d33a@aol.com>,
	<AANLkTikv1C8wu8m+Yz989+Y+B8V+CGAPWBZrsv1H1kq-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT104-W35C0D73CCA893BDC29C57AAE0B0@phx.gbl>


 (To compare to football, it would be like NU hiring an> FCS coach who runs a "gimmick" offense and instead of leading them to a> conference title like Barnett & Walker, he would go to 2 low tier bowls> (think Detroit) during a 10 year span - fortunately Barnett, Walker, and> Fitz have been substantially more successful than that). It's just time to> take it to the next level.
This is a flawed argument, as more than half of FBS teams get to go to a bowl game, whereas only 65 out of 300+ Division 1 basketball teams get to go to the NCAA tournament, plus another 32 to the NIT.  
If football had the same percentage of teams making a bowl game as basketball teams making the NCAA tournament, I doubt any of Walker's last three teams would have made a bowl game.  The 2005 Sun Bowl team might barely have qualified.  
I'm not trying to diminish the accomplishments of Walker or to talk up what Carmody has done, but basketball and football are two different animals. 		 	   		  
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 15:22:58 2011
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Jan  7 15:23:21 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
In-Reply-To: <SNT104-W35C0D73CCA893BDC29C57AAE0B0@phx.gbl>
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	<AANLkTikv1C8wu8m+Yz989+Y+B8V+CGAPWBZrsv1H1kq-@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT104-W35C0D73CCA893BDC29C57AAE0B0@phx.gbl>
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Indeed, I left that part out of my comparison (a hasty one, I admit).  The
bare minimum bar for a bowl game now is a .500 record and Carmody has
achieved that mark just 3 times during his 10 year tenure.  Over that same
span, NU football has been .500 or better at the end of the regular season 7
times.

In any case I was attempting to argue that Carmody still hasn't reached the
level of success that the football program has under multiple different
coaches.  I don't think there's much argument with that.

Jonathan

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Herman Wang <herms@hotmail.com> wrote:

>   (To compare to football, it would be like NU hiring an
> > FCS coach who runs a "gimmick" offense and instead of leading them to a
> > conference title like Barnett & Walker, he would go to 2 low tier bowls
> > (think Detroit) during a 10 year span - fortunately Barnett, Walker, and
> > Fitz have been substantially more successful than that). It's just time
> to
> > take it to the next level.
>
> This is a flawed argument, as more than half of FBS teams get to go to a
> bowl game, whereas only 65 out of 300+ Division 1 basketball teams get to go
> to the NCAA tournament, plus another 32 to the NIT.
>
> If football had the same percentage of teams making a bowl game as
> basketball teams making the NCAA tournament, I doubt any of Walker's last
> three teams would have made a bowl game.  The 2005 Sun Bowl team might
> barely have qualified.
>
> I'm not trying to diminish the accomplishments of Walker or to talk up what
> Carmody has done, but basketball and football are two different animals.
>
From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jan  7 15:47:25 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jan  7 15:47:32 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
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Message-ID: <ACEAA14ECF1945DA9D57973E3AED47CF@DennisMachine>

I don't know that we could do better, but the string is beginning to run 
out.  In a decade of recruiting, Carmody has not convinced one quality big 
man to play basketball for Northwestern.  More than any other single factor, 
it kills us in Big Ten play. 

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Jan  7 16:45:25 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Jan  7 16:45:52 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
In-Reply-To: <ACEAA14ECF1945DA9D57973E3AED47CF@DennisMachine>
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	<ACEAA14ECF1945DA9D57973E3AED47CF@DennisMachine>
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While I'm not going to come to carmody's defense because ultimately the results have to speak for themselves; BUT I do recall reading that he had recruited some "big men" for next season that appeared promising. 

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 7, 2011, at 4:47 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

> I don't know that we could do better, but the string is beginning to run out.  In a decade of recruiting, Carmody has not convinced one quality big man to play basketball for Northwestern.  More than any other single factor, it kills us in Big Ten play. 
> 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jan  7 17:15:02 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jan  7 17:15:07 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
References: <000301cbae95$06762fc0$13628f40$@warnerpatents.com>
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<I do recall reading that he had recruited some "big men" for next season 
that appeared promising.

I'll believe they're good only after I see them play. 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jan  7 17:19:00 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jan  7 17:16:58 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
In-Reply-To: <0A068B53-005A-4043-954C-11C6D253AF9D@covisint.com>
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Chris Emma at Scout reported earlier in the week that any big men would have to come from Europe since the guy who was interested at one time had taken NU off his list....

However - on last night.

I couldn't believe that NU shot so badly while ILL shot so well. We'd get wide open looks and miss by feet. 

At one point in the first half I was questioning why Cobb was starting! Thankfully he started to play to potential in the 2nd half, but he looked out of place out there.

Juice was Juice but he is almost too cool in his approach. I know he has to play under control as the "little guy," but you'd like to see him get a little riled up and make some shots.

Shurna is really hurt, and Crawford misses him on the court. If Coble was still playing, we would have had him and Shurna starting with Crawford subbing in, but Shurna and Coble almost play the same kind of game, could the Cats actually have played with two take charge forwards on the court?

Of course with Shurna hurt, our scoring wouldn't have dropped off so badly had Coble continued. Someone else has to step up and play forward. At least Pelucic made his presence known last night.

The positives were the bench guys who came in and started to catch up. They showed why they're on the bench, but they sure were able to put the ball in the hole better than the starters were late in the game.

Finally: I'm not a big fan of changing coaches during the season. You get a two or three game bump and then the upper class guys figure they have nothing to lose and start to play their own game, win or lose. The Interim guy figures he's gone so a little of the fire goes too, and recruiting falls off. 

Actually, if NU replaced BC, you'd also have to look at BC's #2, Mitch Henderson who probably would have a better handle on the team and the system but I'm not sure any of the assistants are ready to take over the entire program just yet.

But all this talk of firing Carmody just makes it harder to recruit kids who are afraid of NU's academics anyway.

And a couple of wins will go a long way to fixing a drought caused by playing 3 ranked teams in a week.

rsl



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To: Dennis W. Brandt
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim

While I'm not going to come to carmody's defense because ultimately the results have to speak for themselves; BUT I do recall reading that he had recruited some "big men" for next season that appeared promising. 

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 7, 2011, at 4:47 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

> I don't know that we could do better, but the string is beginning to run out.  In a decade of recruiting, Carmody has not convinced one quality big man to play basketball for Northwestern.  More than any other single factor, it kills us in Big Ten play. 
> 
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  7 18:05:09 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Fri Jan  7 18:05:31 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
Message-ID: <12988734.1294445109192.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'm not ready to write off this season. Yes, we're 0-3 in the conference right now, but look at the schedule. Purdue on the road - tough. MSU at home - they're tough anywhere. Illinois on the road - again, tough. 

I believe that we'll have different results when we play the likes of Indiana, Michigan, Penn State, etc.

Now, if we lose to the Hoosiers this Sunday . , , then I'll be on the Fire Carmody bandwagon.

Jim B.

From bondscoop at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 17:49:44 2011
From: bondscoop at gmail.com (Michael Jackson)
Date: Fri Jan  7 18:16:59 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
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I am opposed to changing coaches in the middle of the season.  I doubt NU would do that.  If Shurna had not gotten hurt, we would likely have won the MSU game but lost the other two.  That would have been acceptable. WE would have lost the Illinois game no matter what.  The Illini were shooting the lights out from downtown early in the game in spite of decent but not great defense.  After that they were able to exploit our lack of inside D at will.  My main problem with Carmody is that we do not play decent defense.  This team has the potential to do well if no one is hurt.  WE obviously have no room for error due to the lack of a quality bench.  That has been true throughout the Carmody era.  

I say give Carmody a chance the rest of the year.  See what the team can accomplish and then decide his fate.  If this team does not play well on both offense and defense, then it is time for a change.  Let's not make a decision based on only 3 games.   




From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Jan  7 21:26:41 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Jan  7 21:26:43 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz tells Michigan he's not interested!
In-Reply-To: <4D27383F.4030406@northwestern.edu> from "Eric West" at Jan 07,
	2011 09:58:55 AM
Message-ID: <201101080326.p083Qf0F028677@romaine.tssi.com>

> > Michigan is supposed to be a "dream" job virtually any coach in the country would jump at.  Iinstead it is becoming another tawdry side show where the rest of the sporting world gets to watch as a whole series of coaches tell Michigan that they aren't interested.
 
> I suppose it is sad for Michigan, but they aren't the first "premiere 
> college football program" to learn the hard way that times have changed. 
> Notre Dame, USC, Nebraska, Miami (and I could go on) have all been 
> there. It's a symptom of what is otherwise a good thing: increased 
> competition in top-level college football.

The rule has been:  Don't be the man to follow a legend, be the man 
to follow the man who follows a legend.  However, more recently
it has taken teams at least two coaching changes to find their
new leader.  That's what happened at Alabama, Nebraska (after Osborne), 
Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Miami, Auburn and several other schools.  

How many coaches were there at Ohio State between Woody and Tressel?  Notre Dame is
still looking for someone to follow in the footsteps of Parseghian
and Holtz.  (Holtz, as I recall, was forced out lest he rack up more 
victories than Knute Rocke.)

Exceptions to the rule:  Osborne following Devaney at Nebraska.  Jimbo Fischer
is off to a good start following Bobby Bowden at Florida State, but the
final verdict won't be in for a few years.  
--
Mike Nolan




> 
> It may have started with scholarship restrictions, so the big programs 
> can't pad their depth chart with top athletes the way they used to -- 
> and now those athletes are playing against them week after week -- but 
> some ADs (and plenty of alumni) still act like it's 1975 and have the 
> same expectations. As a result, good coaches are fired, their 
> replacements generally don't do much better, and other coaches start to 
> wonder what the upside is to working at a place where "success" is now 
> virtually impossible.
> 
> There are other factors -- increased media attention, infusion of cash 
> and pressure, etc. -- but at the center lies a simple fact: the big 
> programs aren't what they used to be and never will be again. Schools 
> that refuse to adapt to this reality will suffer the way Michigan has 
> (and other schools have before them). For me, that's fine; I certainly 
> would prefer not to turn back the clock.
> 
> 
> Eric West
> e-west@northwestern.edu
> 
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 08:43:59 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Sat Jan  8 08:44:26 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
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I'm not ready to write off the season nor am I ready to write off Carmody
just yet.  I only write to point out that it's not a question of the style
of offense being incapable of use against major competition being the
problem.  The Princeton offense is used by several Big Six conference
schools to great effect, Georgetown being the most obvious but also Arizona
State and before that North Carolina State both under Herb Sendek.   Of
course, it's also employed to a lesser or greater extent by several NBA
teams.

It's not the system, it's the talent.  The current losing streak is a direct
result of Shurna being hurt and opening Big Ten play with three of the four
contenders for the league title, two of which were on the road.  While the
Ill. performance was disheartening, we really weren't supposed to win any
these games, even with Shurna, although healthy we might have beaten Purdue,
and almost definitely would have beaten MSU.  Not many teams can lose an
All-American and not have their play suffer.  Let's see how the rest of the
season plays out.

Mark

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Michael Jackson <bondscoop@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am opposed to changing coaches in the middle of the season.  I doubt NU
> would do that.  If Shurna had not gotten hurt, we would likely have won the
> MSU game but lost the other two.  That would have been acceptable. WE would
> have lost the Illinois game no matter what.  The Illini were shooting the
> lights out from downtown early in the game in spite of decent but not great
> defense.  After that they were able to exploit our lack of inside D at will.
>  My main problem with Carmody is that we do not play decent defense.  This
> team has the potential to do well if no one is hurt.  WE obviously have no
> room for error due to the lack of a quality bench.  That has been true
> throughout the Carmody era.
>
> I say give Carmody a chance the rest of the year.  See what the team can
> accomplish and then decide his fate.  If this team does not play well on
> both offense and defense, then it is time for a change.  Let's not make a
> decision based on only 3 games.
>
>
>
>
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Jan  8 14:17:55 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat Jan  8 14:20:47 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] State of Big Ten hoops difficulty
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E7EC37F@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Penn State just beat Michigan State in State College and is 2-2 in conference play despite a tough schedule so far.

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Jan  9 18:52:48 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun Jan  9 18:54:07 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] As important a half as Cats have had
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Cats, led by Shurna, up 40-28.  Shurna found a way and nailed three 3s.  Cobb hit two 3s and Mirkovic was assertive.  Marcotulio's passing and defense and Thompson's all-around play, plus IU ineptitude spelled a vital bounce back from the debacle at Champaign.  All this with nothing from Crawford, who got two early fouls.

Crucial to keep it going in the 2d half of this must-win game to get the season back on track.

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Jan  9 20:08:15 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun Jan  9 20:09:48 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: first win in conf
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And a must.  Shurna 24, Mirkovic 20 and a lot of timely contributions.  IU cut a 24 point lead to 8 with two mins left, but Crawford's 3-pointer, his second, was the clincher.

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
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Subject: [NU Sports] As important a half as Cats have had

Cats, led by Shurna, up 40-28.  Shurna found a way and nailed three 3s.  Cobb hit two 3s and Mirkovic was assertive.  Marcotulio's passing and defense and Thompson's all-around play, plus IU ineptitude spelled a vital bounce back from the debacle at Champaign.  All this with nothing from Crawford, who got two early fouls.

Crucial to keep it going in the 2d half of this must-win game to get the season back on track.

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan  9 20:55:26 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun Jan  9 20:53:06 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: first win in conf
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Was impressed with the overall effort:

Juice playing most of the 2nd half with 4 fouls, and making foul shots (mostly)

Shurna playing above his injury - altho he landed hard on that left ankle and it appeared
to me that he sat out the last 4 or 5 minutes.

Marcatullio playing way above a guy coming off the bench, same with Capocci - NU actually
went to a 3 guard 2 forward offense and maintained a lead.

Luka! - big nite for Mirkovic, and lots of effort in the lane at the other end, altho in
the last 10, Indy started to drive the hoop and Luka was out of position it seemed.

Cobb seems to be getting over his frosh jitters. He had some seriously good shots drop
even though he still makes frosh mistakes.

Crawford was the only guy who didn't seem comfortable with his shot tonite - I've got to
tear the box score apart and see if with I think I saw actually happened.

One thing that was absent most of the nite was the 1-3-1. Juice was either up front or on
the edge. They also seemed to be playing a 2-3 matchup zone with Juice moving back and
forth up and down. Whatever it was, it definitely controlled the inside game until the
end. The Cats 3 point shooting, forced Indy to play away from the basket, and Juice had
several nice layups off drives to the basket.

Still need to look over the box score - these are just impressions. Even my son Andrew was
impressed with how well the Cats were playing tonight.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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And a must.  Shurna 24, Mirkovic 20 and a lot of timely contributions.  IU cut a 24 point
lead to 8 with two mins left, but Crawford's 3-pointer, his second, was the clincher.

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

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Subject: [NU Sports] As important a half as Cats have had

Cats, led by Shurna, up 40-28.  Shurna found a way and nailed three 3s.  Cobb hit two 3s
and Mirkovic was assertive.  Marcotulio's passing and defense and Thompson's all-around
play, plus IU ineptitude spelled a vital bounce back from the debacle at Champaign.  All
this with nothing from Crawford, who got two early fouls.

Crucial to keep it going in the 2d half of this must-win game to get the season back on
track.

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan  9 21:20:09 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Jan  9 21:20:16 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: first win in conf
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E7EC3DD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt><1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E7EC3E8@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Let's not get too impressed over the Cats' victory tonight.  After all, this 
was a game of two teams with zero Big Ten wins combined. 

From e-west at northwestern.edu  Sun Jan  9 23:49:00 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Sun Jan  9 23:49:10 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: first win in conf
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On 1/9/2011 9:20 PM, Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
> Let's not get too impressed over the Cats' victory tonight.  After 
> all, this was a game of two teams with zero Big Ten wins combined.

Just like we shouldn't get too depressed over the Cats' previous three 
defeats. After all, they were games against three  teams with zero Big 
Ten losses combined.

(And if anyone dares quibble that MSU now has a Big Ten loss...well, NU 
now has a Big Ten win. As though any of that changes the point.)

Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Jan 10 07:25:20 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Jan 10 07:25:38 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: first win in conf
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We knew from the beginning of the season that we were only go as far as
Shurna and Thompson could carry us.  Shurna's injury certainly cost us
at least one conference win.  

We aren't going to win the BT, but I don't think anyone thought we
would. 

The win last night and hopefully a win against Iowa later this week will
prove that we are currently more of a middle of the pack team in the BT
right now.  

For this team to make the dance, Shurna has to get healthy, Juice has to
stay healthy, and we have to find 9 more wins out of the remaining 14
conference games.  That's going to take some work since we play Minn and
Wisky twice, OSU and Ill at home, and MSU on the road.  

Jeff


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On Behalf Of Eric West
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 12:49 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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On 1/9/2011 9:20 PM, Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
> Let's not get too impressed over the Cats' victory tonight.  After 
> all, this was a game of two teams with zero Big Ten wins combined.

Just like we shouldn't get too depressed over the Cats' previous three 
defeats. After all, they were games against three  teams with zero Big 
Ten losses combined.

(And if anyone dares quibble that MSU now has a Big Ten loss...well, NU 
now has a Big Ten win. As though any of that changes the point.)

Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 10 09:44:26 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Jan 10 09:44:29 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: first win in conf
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I was at the game last night, courtesy of a friend. Wasn't sure what to expect 
after the downstate disaster, so it was nice to see the Cats come out positive 
and with a lot of energy. 

The defense was atrocious on several early possessions, which was fairly 
depressing. But those were all mental issues--miscommunication on switch-offs 
and various other confusions. They tightened that up reasonably well. Although 
it wasn't always pretty, it was a far better defensive effort. 

Of course, Indiana appears to be woefully bad for a Big 10 team, especially with 
their history. Oddly, it seemed like no one wanted to shoot the ball for the 
Hoosiers in the first half. That might have been by design, because they weren't 
much more effective in the 2nd half, when they came out firing agressively. 

Shurna looked better, but still appears to be missing some explosiveness, and 
I'm not sure he can backpedal much at all on D right now. If I recall correctly 
from playing b-ball with a chronic ankle sprain problem that lasted for a year 
or two, that's one of the hardest things to deal with on a gimpy ankle. 

Crawford had a rough game most of the night, but provided key moments of effort 
down the stretch. 

What can you say about Luka, other than congratulations on an outstanding 
effort. Granted, Indiana was a perfect matchup for him, lacking a true (or even 
false) big man. But if he could play with that kind of confidence all the time, 
we'd be in much better shape. I think his inside presence was a big factor in 
opening up easy 3 opportunities as the game progressed. 

The Cats needed badly to play well and get a win, which they did. Having a good 
season is now back in the "possible" category. Should be interesting to see what 
happens against Iowa. 

Finally, how weird is it for the Cats to post a huge blowout win over Indiana, 
and have it not be a surprise?

Tom

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan 10 10:06:10 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan 10 10:04:05 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: first win in conf
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Last night it was fun to listen to the announcing team talk about NU, Indiana, and the
game at hand, rather than whatever the guys in Illinois chattered about thru the 2nd half.

I don't think anyone realized just how good Shon Morris is - his "Vanilla" comment about
himself and his "secret nickname" after Cobb introduced Crawford as "Chocolate Lightning"
was pretty funny if not memorable.

Now it's time for the Iowayans and win #2. We just have to play like the game is at home.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
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================================================

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Maycock
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:44 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: first win in conf

I was at the game last night, courtesy of a friend. Wasn't sure what to expect 
after the downstate disaster, so it was nice to see the Cats come out positive 
and with a lot of energy. 

The defense was atrocious on several early possessions, which was fairly 
depressing. But those were all mental issues--miscommunication on switch-offs 
and various other confusions. They tightened that up reasonably well. Although 
it wasn't always pretty, it was a far better defensive effort. 

Of course, Indiana appears to be woefully bad for a Big 10 team, especially with 
their history. Oddly, it seemed like no one wanted to shoot the ball for the 
Hoosiers in the first half. That might have been by design, because they weren't 
much more effective in the 2nd half, when they came out firing agressively. 

Shurna looked better, but still appears to be missing some explosiveness, and 
I'm not sure he can backpedal much at all on D right now. If I recall correctly 
from playing b-ball with a chronic ankle sprain problem that lasted for a year 
or two, that's one of the hardest things to deal with on a gimpy ankle. 

Crawford had a rough game most of the night, but provided key moments of effort 
down the stretch. 

What can you say about Luka, other than congratulations on an outstanding 
effort. Granted, Indiana was a perfect matchup for him, lacking a true (or even 
false) big man. But if he could play with that kind of confidence all the time, 
we'd be in much better shape. I think his inside presence was a big factor in 
opening up easy 3 opportunities as the game progressed. 

The Cats needed badly to play well and get a win, which they did. Having a good 
season is now back in the "possible" category. Should be interesting to see what 
happens against Iowa. 

Finally, how weird is it for the Cats to post a huge blowout win over Indiana, 
and have it not be a surprise?

Tom

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan 10 11:35:40 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 10 11:35:20 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: first win in conf
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I think both you and Dennis have really hit on the key.  The lack of a solid big man.  It will be rare that we have a good match up there like last night Some games we will get hot from trey land and win  games we are expected to lose but I'm afraid many games we will have the same complaint.  "We lost it on the boards".

 In following NU hoops for 35 years we generally have had offenses geared around the small forward.  I think it has at times kept us respectable but limits our opportunities to get to the next level

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 07:44:26 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: first win in conf

I was at the game last night, courtesy of a friend. Wasn't sure what to expect 
after the downstate disaster, so it was nice to see the Cats come out positive 
and with a lot of energy. 

The defense was atrocious on several early possessions, which was fairly 
depressing. But those were all mental issues--miscommunication on switch-offs 
and various other confusions. They tightened that up reasonably well. Although 
it wasn't always pretty, it was a far better defensive effort. 

Of course, Indiana appears to be woefully bad for a Big 10 team, especially with 
their history. Oddly, it seemed like no one wanted to shoot the ball for the 
Hoosiers in the first half. That might have been by design, because they weren't 
much more effective in the 2nd half, when they came out firing agressively. 

Shurna looked better, but still appears to be missing some explosiveness, and 
I'm not sure he can backpedal much at all on D right now. If I recall correctly 
from playing b-ball with a chronic ankle sprain problem that lasted for a year 
or two, that's one of the hardest things to deal with on a gimpy ankle. 

Crawford had a rough game most of the night, but provided key moments of effort 
down the stretch. 

What can you say about Luka, other than congratulations on an outstanding 
effort. Granted, Indiana was a perfect matchup for him, lacking a true (or even 
false) big man. But if he could play with that kind of confidence all the time, 
we'd be in much better shape. I think his inside presence was a big factor in 
opening up easy 3 opportunities as the game progressed. 

The Cats needed badly to play well and get a win, which they did. Having a good 
season is now back in the "possible" category. Should be interesting to see what 
happens against Iowa. 

Finally, how weird is it for the Cats to post a huge blowout win over Indiana, 
and have it not be a surprise?

Tom

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Jan 10 12:17:34 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 10 12:17:55 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody inks contract extension
Message-ID: <8CD7F09C9A3A2DC-1A84-866@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com>


http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/nus-carmody-inks-extension.html

Was there a potential bidding war for this guy ?  Five or Six top-level teams coveting his services ?  Why a sudden extension ?

Chuck Herron   Tech '85



From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Jan 10 12:26:02 2011
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Jan 10 12:26:29 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody inks contract extension
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I suspect that the contract was completed in order to prevent NU from being
hurt from a recruiting perspective more than anything with his old contract
set to expire after next season (I believe).  Since, as you mentioned, there
weren't a lot of other teams clamoring for him I doubt there is a huge
signing bonus or buy-out (although I also doubt we'll get many details given
that NU is a private institution and doesn't have to give out contract
information).  I would hope that Jim Phillips would allow himself an out,
potentially as soon as the conclusion of this season, as we've discussed
here.  But it's difficult to go into recruits' homes and convince them to
play for you when your contract is expiring soon, and that would definitely
hurt long term (this is the main reason why college coaching contracts are
rarely worth anything, especially at places outside of NU where firing
coaches is routine).

Jonathan

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:17 PM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:

>
>
> http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/nus-carmody-inks-extension.html
>
> Was there a potential bidding war for this guy ?  Five or Six top-level
> teams coveting his services ?  Why a sudden extension ?
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
>
>
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 10 14:13:12 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Jan 10 14:13:29 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody inks contract extension
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I'm sure the recruiting angle is a factor, but I think Greenstein pretty much 
answers the question in the last couple of paragraphs by noting that Carmody's 
won at a much higher rate than any of his predecessors dating back many years, 
especially so in recent years. 

Add to that the fact that he's attracting some pretty strong talent lately, and 
it's not a surprise to me that an extension was offered. 

By the way, the big new purple banners hanging in W-R look *really* nice. Classy 
move on the part of the new athletics braintrust. There are some pretty 
impressive performances noted among them. Sadly the men's b-ball banner is a bit 
sparse. 

I was particularly fond of the Lacrosse banner--celebrating four Tewaaraton 
Trophy winners in big time, and then, in somewhat understated fashion, 5 
consecutive national championship years. Cool stuff.

Tom

From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 10 16:12:39 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Mon Jan 10 16:12:43 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from AD Perspective
Message-ID: <418406.12282.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Dave Brandon, Michigan's Athletic Director, posted this message on his blog 
today.? Kind of interesting the way he articulates what's going on (and what 
isn't).

www.mgoblue.com/sports/brandon/spec-rel/011011aaa.html
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan 10 16:29:19 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan 10 16:26:58 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from AD Perspective
In-Reply-To: <418406.12282.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <418406.12282.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001301cbb115$d2cc1210$78643630$@com>

>From the Blog Post":
"There will always be a certain number of people who enjoy criticizing others, 
and there is nothing any of us can do about them! However, for those of you 
who want to help bring Michigan football back to where we all want it to be, 
you can help by getting behind our new coach and ignoring those who 
enjoy creating controversy and resentment."

Sounds like MU has a few folks critical of the program, just like NU....

Imagine that.

rsl

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-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Evans
Schoeman
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:13 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from AD Perspective

Dave Brandon, Michigan's Athletic Director, posted this message on his blog 
today.? Kind of interesting the way he articulates what's going on (and what 
isn't).

www.mgoblue.com/sports/brandon/spec-rel/011011aaa.html
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 10 16:46:51 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Mon Jan 10 16:46:55 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from AD Perspective
In-Reply-To: <001301cbb115$d2cc1210$78643630$@com>
References: <418406.12282.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<001301cbb115$d2cc1210$78643630$@com>
Message-ID: <402457.21936.qm@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

You got it, Coach!

Since he assumed his post last year, Brandon has readily admitted that his major 
challenge was bringing Michigan's "house divided" together again.? Their recent 
lack of success in both basketball and football has caused some major splits 
among their fans/alumni.




________________________________
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman@sbcglobal.net>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, January 10, 2011 4:29:19 PM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from AD Perspective

From the Blog Post":
"There will always be a certain number of people who enjoy criticizing others, 
and there is nothing any of us can do about them! However, for those of you 
who want to help bring Michigan football back to where we all want it to be, 
you can help by getting behind our new coach and ignoring those who 
enjoy creating controversy and resentment."

Sounds like MU has a few folks critical of the program, just like NU....

Imagine that.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
? Senior League Softball World Series
CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf 
Of Evans
Schoeman
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:13 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from AD Perspective

Dave Brandon, Michigan's Athletic Director, posted this message on his blog 
today.? Kind of interesting the way he articulates what's going on (and what 
isn't).

www.mgoblue.com/sports/brandon/spec-rel/011011aaa.html
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Jan 10 19:09:12 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 10 19:09:46 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody inks contract extension
In-Reply-To: <633970.96046.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8CD7F09C9A3A2DC-1A84-866@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com><AANLkTikt_p_33EX7G+EGZhKysw+DcC2U3VdMFm59Kr2q@mail.gmail.com>
	<633970.96046.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CD7F434AE56C90-DE4-127F99@webmail-m101.sysops.aol.com>


 In other words, the goal for Men's Basketball isn't appearing in the NCAA tournament (or competing for a Big Ten title), it is posting a better record than Kevin O'Neill, Ricky Byrdsong or Rich Falk ?

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Carmody inks contract extension


I'm sure the recruiting angle is a factor, but I think Greenstein pretty much 

answers the question in the last couple of paragraphs by noting that Carmody's 

won at a much higher rate than any of his predecessors dating back many years, 

especially so in recent years. 



Add to that the fact that he's attracting some pretty strong talent lately, and 

it's not a surprise to me that an extension was offered. 



By the way, the big new purple banners hanging in W-R look *really* nice. Classy 



move on the part of the new athletics braintrust. There are some pretty 

impressive performances noted among them. Sadly the men's b-ball banner is a bit 



sparse. 



I was particularly fond of the Lacrosse banner--celebrating four Tewaaraton 

Trophy winners in big time, and then, in somewhat understated fashion, 5 

consecutive national championship years. Cool stuff.



Tom



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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan 10 20:51:09 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Jan 10 20:51:20 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody extension
Message-ID: <F62F93FCB5E04C938948B7894CD52AE4@DennisMachine>

It would seem that the NU athletic department is content to have the basketball team merely improve beyond laughing stock status.  They've already done that.  But think victory?  Not on the basketball court, apparently.
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan 10 20:55:46 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan 10 20:53:24 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody inks contract extension
In-Reply-To: <8CD7F434AE56C90-DE4-127F99@webmail-m101.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD7F09C9A3A2DC-1A84-866@webmail-d026.sysops.aol.com><AANLkTikt_p_33EX7G+EGZhKysw+DcC2U3VdMFm59Kr2q@mail.gmail.com>	<633970.96046.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<8CD7F434AE56C90-DE4-127F99@webmail-m101.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <003601cbb13b$0b98a110$22c9e330$@com>

IMHO, the goal is till the NCAA Tournament, but right now, you don't let your head coach
dangle in the wind as recruiting steps up.

Cats make the Dance and he's got another year, they don't and then you re-evaluate before
he takes off to Croatia to look for a center.

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 8:09 PM
To: tkmaycock@yahoo.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Carmody inks contract extension


 In other words, the goal for Men's Basketball isn't appearing in the NCAA tournament (or
competing for a Big Ten title), it is posting a better record than Kevin O'Neill, Ricky
Byrdsong or Rich Falk ?

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

 


 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, Jan 10, 2011 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Carmody inks contract extension


I'm sure the recruiting angle is a factor, but I think Greenstein pretty much 

answers the question in the last couple of paragraphs by noting that Carmody's 

won at a much higher rate than any of his predecessors dating back many years, 

especially so in recent years. 



Add to that the fact that he's attracting some pretty strong talent lately, and 

it's not a surprise to me that an extension was offered. 



By the way, the big new purple banners hanging in W-R look *really* nice. Classy 



move on the part of the new athletics braintrust. There are some pretty 

impressive performances noted among them. Sadly the men's b-ball banner is a bit 



sparse. 



I was particularly fond of the Lacrosse banner--celebrating four Tewaaraton 

Trophy winners in big time, and then, in somewhat understated fashion, 5 

consecutive national championship years. Cool stuff.



Tom



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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan 10 21:17:15 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan 10 21:15:03 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] At the end of the half
Message-ID: <000001cbb13e$0bf4c370$23de4a50$@com>

At least Auburn took a shot at the end zone with :03 on the clock.

Hit the WR in the hands as he jumped up in a crowd.

Wish we'd do that with a lead.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 10 23:48:50 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan 10 23:48:53 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...
Message-ID: <803089.14342.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... is your 2012 B(C)S Bowl Champions! :)

Well, provided they can find $200K and a agent/father to steer another Cam Newton their way.

We used to play preseason #1s in our bowl games - now we played a team a year away from a title and went to OT with them. At least we can hang our heads on that.

In the meantime, the endless onslaught of the B(C)S/ESPN Bowl Season (which seems to have lasted longer than the 2008 presidential primary season or the reign of some monarchs) has finally ended. I wish I could tell you something about 95% of those games ... I'll have to look up the results and get the pick tallies to you sometime before the next B(C)S/ESPN Bowl Season begins, which I think ... well ... it appears another bowl has been scheduled for tomorrow with two 5-7 Big Sky and Missouri Valley teams, so it may be awhile is what I'm saying. :)

Meanwhile, it more interesting football news today ...

* Les Miles to Michigan seems to be the rumor of the day. If so, it could be bad news for the rest of us in the league. The Mad Hatter's a "Michigan Man" who can unite the alums, make them say "Jim who?" with joy and a pretty good coach as well. We'll see if it really happens this time.

All hail the SEC and their deep pockets! Blah blah blah ... bring on the new era of the Big Ten!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 00:59:32 2011
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Jan 11 00:59:59 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...
In-Reply-To: <803089.14342.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <803089.14342.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTiktUumGTfbY4k2H7XT2KoDvQzRv-yWisMA-3GqP@mail.gmail.com>

Ironic that you of all people advertise the fact that you watched the BCS
title game on ESPN, helping to perpetuate the system you hate so much
instead of canceling your cable/satellite so as not to hand over about $3
per month (and your viewership) to ESPN.

In any case I think it's pretty clear what great pressure up front with your
DL can do with Auburn looking like a polar opposite of NU down the stretch
this season on the line.  Auburn's secondary wasn't that great and gave up
some big plays but those guys in the middle made plays all night long.

Jonathan

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:48 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> ... is your 2012 B(C)S Bowl Champions! :)
>
> Well, provided they can find $200K and a agent/father to steer another Cam
> Newton their way.
>
> We used to play preseason #1s in our bowl games - now we played a team a
> year away from a title and went to OT with them. At least we can hang our
> heads on that.
>
> In the meantime, the endless onslaught of the B(C)S/ESPN Bowl Season (which
> seems to have lasted longer than the 2008 presidential primary season or the
> reign of some monarchs) has finally ended. I wish I could tell you something
> about 95% of those games ... I'll have to look up the results and get the
> pick tallies to you sometime before the next B(C)S/ESPN Bowl Season begins,
> which I think ... well ... it appears another bowl has been scheduled for
> tomorrow with two 5-7 Big Sky and Missouri Valley teams, so it may be awhile
> is what I'm saying. :)
>
> Meanwhile, it more interesting football news today ...
>
> * Les Miles to Michigan seems to be the rumor of the day. If so, it could
> be bad news for the rest of us in the league. The Mad Hatter's a "Michigan
> Man" who can unite the alums, make them say "Jim who?" with joy and a pretty
> good coach as well. We'll see if it really happens this time.
>
> All hail the SEC and their deep pockets! Blah blah blah ... bring on the
> new era of the Big Ten!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ==========================
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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>
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 11 06:52:23 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan 11 06:50:01 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTiktUumGTfbY4k2H7XT2KoDvQzRv-yWisMA-3GqP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <803089.14342.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTiktUumGTfbY4k2H7XT2KoDvQzRv-yWisMA-3GqP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001001cbb18e$6466c440$2d344cc0$@com>

IMHO, what I saw was a bigger, stronger Auburn pushing the smaller Oregon defense around.

Oregon closed the holes quick, but when they needed the yards, Newton or someone else had
the time and space to make it happen.

Now there were times in the first half when Oregon had the Auburn D back on their heels,
blowing hard, but Auburn came up with defensive plays that got them the ball and kept the
Ducks out of the endzone.

BTW, I have no personal animosity towards ESPN - they provide coverage of several youth
sports programs that I work with and which is a major selling point for sponsorship of our
local efforts.

rsl 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
"...Then I get on my knees and pray,
WE DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!" -- Pete Townsend
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:00 AM
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...

Ironic that you of all people advertise the fact that you watched the BCS
title game on ESPN, helping to perpetuate the system you hate so much
instead of canceling your cable/satellite so as not to hand over about $3
per month (and your viewership) to ESPN.

In any case I think it's pretty clear what great pressure up front with your
DL can do with Auburn looking like a polar opposite of NU down the stretch
this season on the line.  Auburn's secondary wasn't that great and gave up
some big plays but those guys in the middle made plays all night long.

Jonathan

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:48 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> ... is your 2012 B(C)S Bowl Champions! :)
>
> Well, provided they can find $200K and a agent/father to steer another Cam
> Newton their way.
>
> We used to play preseason #1s in our bowl games - now we played a team a
> year away from a title and went to OT with them. At least we can hang our
> heads on that.
>
> In the meantime, the endless onslaught of the B(C)S/ESPN Bowl Season (which
> seems to have lasted longer than the 2008 presidential primary season or the
> reign of some monarchs) has finally ended. I wish I could tell you something
> about 95% of those games ... I'll have to look up the results and get the
> pick tallies to you sometime before the next B(C)S/ESPN Bowl Season begins,
> which I think ... well ... it appears another bowl has been scheduled for
> tomorrow with two 5-7 Big Sky and Missouri Valley teams, so it may be awhile
> is what I'm saying. :)
>
> Meanwhile, it more interesting football news today ...
>
> * Les Miles to Michigan seems to be the rumor of the day. If so, it could
> be bad news for the rest of us in the league. The Mad Hatter's a "Michigan
> Man" who can unite the alums, make them say "Jim who?" with joy and a pretty
> good coach as well. We'll see if it really happens this time.
>
> All hail the SEC and their deep pockets! Blah blah blah ... bring on the
> new era of the Big Ten!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ==========================
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 11 07:08:48 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 11 07:08:11 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...
In-Reply-To: <001001cbb18e$6466c440$2d344cc0$@com>
References: <803089.14342.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><AANLkTiktUumGTfbY4k2H7XT2KoDvQzRv-yWisMA-3GqP@mail.gmail.com><001001cbb18e$6466c440$2d344cc0$@com>
Message-ID: <1189917560-1294751285-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1378886387-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

The Tigers certainly got some key defensive plays when they needed it. Time and time again they either got a sack,tackled a runner for a loss or small gain or just kept Oregon from reaching the chains at crucial times.  While not the same team as last year,it still makes our 4th quarter comeback in Tampa look a lot more amazing

For those of you  who aren't convinced the SEC is the best conference , I say you are not watching enough games.   I did watch Oregon a lot this year,and they were darn good. To be beat by Auburn tells me not only what a strong team they were,but also is a testament to their competition vs the Pac 10's.  While the BT has some tough teams as well, no one can tell me with a straight face that they are better than the SEC Five straight titles   does their talking.  Now when it comes to academics....

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 07:52:23 
To: 'Jonathan Hodges'<jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>; 'SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)'<sjtruog@yahoo.com>
Cc: 'NUSPORTS'<nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...

IMHO, what I saw was a bigger, stronger Auburn pushing the smaller Oregon defense around.

Oregon closed the holes quick, but when they needed the yards, Newton or someone else had
the time and space to make it happen.

Now there were times in the first half when Oregon had the Auburn D back on their heels,
blowing hard, but Auburn came up with defensive plays that got them the ball and kept the
Ducks out of the endzone.

BTW, I have no personal animosity towards ESPN - they provide coverage of several youth
sports programs that I work with and which is a major selling point for sponsorship of our
local efforts.

rsl 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
"...Then I get on my knees and pray,
WE DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!" -- Pete Townsend
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:00 AM
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...

Ironic that you of all people advertise the fact that you watched the BCS
title game on ESPN, helping to perpetuate the system you hate so much
instead of canceling your cable/satellite so as not to hand over about $3
per month (and your viewership) to ESPN.

In any case I think it's pretty clear what great pressure up front with your
DL can do with Auburn looking like a polar opposite of NU down the stretch
this season on the line.  Auburn's secondary wasn't that great and gave up
some big plays but those guys in the middle made plays all night long.

Jonathan

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:48 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> ... is your 2012 B(C)S Bowl Champions! :)
>
> Well, provided they can find $200K and a agent/father to steer another Cam
> Newton their way.
>
> We used to play preseason #1s in our bowl games - now we played a team a
> year away from a title and went to OT with them. At least we can hang our
> heads on that.
>
> In the meantime, the endless onslaught of the B(C)S/ESPN Bowl Season (which
> seems to have lasted longer than the 2008 presidential primary season or the
> reign of some monarchs) has finally ended. I wish I could tell you something
> about 95% of those games ... I'll have to look up the results and get the
> pick tallies to you sometime before the next B(C)S/ESPN Bowl Season begins,
> which I think ... well ... it appears another bowl has been scheduled for
> tomorrow with two 5-7 Big Sky and Missouri Valley teams, so it may be awhile
> is what I'm saying. :)
>
> Meanwhile, it more interesting football news today ...
>
> * Les Miles to Michigan seems to be the rumor of the day. If so, it could
> be bad news for the rest of us in the league. The Mad Hatter's a "Michigan
> Man" who can unite the alums, make them say "Jim who?" with joy and a pretty
> good coach as well. We'll see if it really happens this time.
>
> All hail the SEC and their deep pockets! Blah blah blah ... bring on the
> new era of the Big Ten!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ==========================
>
>
>
>
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 07:13:14 2011
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Jan 11 07:13:41 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...
In-Reply-To: <001001cbb18e$6466c440$2d344cc0$@com>
References: <803089.14342.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTiktUumGTfbY4k2H7XT2KoDvQzRv-yWisMA-3GqP@mail.gmail.com>
	<001001cbb18e$6466c440$2d344cc0$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=MfES+JVnsjwuzP4vGBdrD++j2Meuww+iNFEqm@mail.gmail.com>

I, too, have nothing against ESPN and, in fact, enjoy their networks very
much particularly since I believe they do a very good job covering college
football, my personal favorite sport.  I was just arguing that if one hates
the BCS so much and wants a change they should follow through by trying to
strike a blow against those who perpetuate the system (i.e. ESPN, who ponied
up a record amount for the BCS this cycle).  I don't think they'll ever
suffer a blow, though, given that there were some very compelling games on
the BCS slate, most notably the game last night.

Jonathan

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 6:52 AM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson@capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> IMHO, what I saw was a bigger, stronger Auburn pushing the smaller Oregon
> defense around.
>
> Oregon closed the holes quick, but when they needed the yards, Newton or
> someone else had
> the time and space to make it happen.
>
> Now there were times in the first half when Oregon had the Auburn D back on
> their heels,
> blowing hard, but Auburn came up with defensive plays that got them the
> ball and kept the
> Ducks out of the endzone.
>
> BTW, I have no personal animosity towards ESPN - they provide coverage of
> several youth
> sports programs that I work with and which is a major selling point for
> sponsorship of our
> local efforts.
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> "Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Director Media Relations - Little League
>  Senior League Softball World Series
> CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> "...Then I get on my knees and pray,
> WE DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!" -- Pete Townsend
> ================================================
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of
> Jonathan Hodges
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:00 AM
> To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> Cc: NUSPORTS
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...
>
> Ironic that you of all people advertise the fact that you watched the BCS
> title game on ESPN, helping to perpetuate the system you hate so much
> instead of canceling your cable/satellite so as not to hand over about $3
> per month (and your viewership) to ESPN.
>
> In any case I think it's pretty clear what great pressure up front with
> your
> DL can do with Auburn looking like a polar opposite of NU down the stretch
> this season on the line.  Auburn's secondary wasn't that great and gave up
> some big plays but those guys in the middle made plays all night long.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:48 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> <sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > ... is your 2012 B(C)S Bowl Champions! :)
> >
> > Well, provided they can find $200K and a agent/father to steer another
> Cam
> > Newton their way.
> >
> > We used to play preseason #1s in our bowl games - now we played a team a
> > year away from a title and went to OT with them. At least we can hang our
> > heads on that.
> >
> > In the meantime, the endless onslaught of the B(C)S/ESPN Bowl Season
> (which
> > seems to have lasted longer than the 2008 presidential primary season or
> the
> > reign of some monarchs) has finally ended. I wish I could tell you
> something
> > about 95% of those games ... I'll have to look up the results and get the
> > pick tallies to you sometime before the next B(C)S/ESPN Bowl Season
> begins,
> > which I think ... well ... it appears another bowl has been scheduled for
> > tomorrow with two 5-7 Big Sky and Missouri Valley teams, so it may be
> awhile
> > is what I'm saying. :)
> >
> > Meanwhile, it more interesting football news today ...
> >
> > * Les Miles to Michigan seems to be the rumor of the day. If so, it could
> > be bad news for the rest of us in the league. The Mad Hatter's a
> "Michigan
> > Man" who can unite the alums, make them say "Jim who?" with joy and a
> pretty
> > good coach as well. We'll see if it really happens this time.
> >
> > All hail the SEC and their deep pockets! Blah blah blah ... bring on the
> > new era of the Big Ten!
> >
> > GO CATS!!!
> > -SjT
> >
> > * * * * * * * * *
> > STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> > sjtruog@yahoo.com
> > GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> > Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> > ==========================
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 11 07:52:33 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan 11 07:52:38 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=MfES+JVnsjwuzP4vGBdrD++j2Meuww+iNFEqm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <508781.87447.qm@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

We'll have to see what the ratings are. I had the first half on in the background, but after such a sloppy start (despite Kirk trying to explain it as great defense, it just looked like two rusty teams to me) I lost interest and went down to the pool. When I came back, I saw I hadn't missed anything. The final couple minutes were exciting, but given the expectations of a shootout, I wonder how many people made it up through all the turnovers and punts.
It's a slow process of withdrawal for a college football fan, but I can honestly say that the NU game and Rose Bowl were the only games I saw a majority of this bowl season, and that's unusual. It just seemed like every time I'd flick past ESPN in the past 10 weeks a bowl game was on, yet I wasn't interested. Even the Big Ten and B(C)S games didn't hold much draw - the Iowa game sounded pretty good though.
ESPN is a great network, no doubt, but since they're largely responsible for this excess of bowl games, I won't shed any tears for them overpaying for the B(C)S and the welfare bowls. I know they're counting on a long-term benefit of getting people used to watching the Rose Bowl on cable, but it just seems like they have diluted their product. Back when it was "bowl week," they had a big game every night and it seemed to be an event. But "bowl month" just seemed to be interminable. Time will tell, I guess, but I can't imagine the ratings for any of their games were better this year than in the past couple years.
But on to next year and renewed hope for every school that they too can have the honor of losing to the SEC champ in the title game! :)
GO CATS!!!-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 11 08:12:44 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan 11 08:10:34 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...
In-Reply-To: <1189917560-1294751285-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1378886387-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <803089.14342.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><AANLkTiktUumGTfbY4k2H7XT2KoDvQzRv-yWisMA-3GqP@mail.gmail.com><001001cbb18e$6466c440$2d344cc0$@com>
	<1189917560-1294751285-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1378886387-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <001c01cbb199$9e33d220$da9b7660$@com>

Academics? 

We don't need no academics.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
"...Then I get on my knees and pray,
WE DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!" -- Pete Townsend
================================================

  Now when it comes to academics....

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry



From cspnu81 at tds.net  Tue Jan 11 00:59:02 2011
From: cspnu81 at tds.net (Chris Patterson)
Date: Tue Jan 11 11:05:00 2011
Subject: Marketing Idea - RE: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from AD
	Perspective
Message-ID: <001901cbb15d$0a03b0c0$1e0b1240$@net>

Maybe we should encourage Chicago area Michigan fans to switch to the home
team - that is Chicago's Big Ten team!
 
J
 
Go CATS!
Chris
 
www.mgoblue.com/sports/brandon/spec-rel/011011aaa.html
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Evans Schoeman
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:13 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from AD Perspective
 
Dave Brandon, Michigan's Athletic Director, posted this message on his blog 
today.  Kind of interesting the way he articulates what's going on (and what

isn't).
 
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From ersiii at aol.com  Tue Jan 11 11:08:02 2011
From: ersiii at aol.com (Exequiel Sevilla)
Date: Tue Jan 11 11:08:06 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...
In-Reply-To: <001c01cbb199$9e33d220$da9b7660$@com>
References: <803089.14342.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTiktUumGTfbY4k2H7XT2KoDvQzRv-yWisMA-3GqP@mail.gmail.com>
	<001001cbb18e$6466c440$2d344cc0$@com>
	<1189917560-1294751285-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1378886387-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<001c01cbb199$9e33d220$da9b7660$@com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimX6HrKWcGZ+ZJO6B+gMvhh8eNCZmS=Wu-iQdFF@mail.gmail.com>

The ratings don't matter as much as the bottom line $$$ for ESPN.
From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan 11 11:44:15 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 11 11:44:39 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] A Medill Question
Message-ID: <8CD7FCE4CE0BFEC-1680-15FC@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com>


I ask the Medill guys/Journalism guys here:

When did it become acceptable for a journalist to endorse a product ?

I am thinking of Jay Glazer (sp) and Michael Strahan endorsing Subway sandwiches

Also, this weekend I saw Rich Eisen (NFL Network) appearing in a commercial for Pepsi Max

I realize there may be some debate as to any of these individuals' journalistic credentials

I am quite sure that we never had Jerome Holtzman for Gold Toe socks, or Shirley Povich for Florsheim shoes (but I may be wrong)

Chuck Herron   Tech '85 



From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Jan 11 11:18:32 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Jan 11 11:49:04 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimX6HrKWcGZ+ZJO6B+gMvhh8eNCZmS=Wu-iQdFF@mail.gmail.com>
References: <803089.14342.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTiktUumGTfbY4k2H7XT2KoDvQzRv-yWisMA-3GqP@mail.gmail.com>
	<001001cbb18e$6466c440$2d344cc0$@com>
	<1189917560-1294751285-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1378886387-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<001c01cbb199$9e33d220$da9b7660$@com>
	<AANLkTimX6HrKWcGZ+ZJO6B+gMvhh8eNCZmS=Wu-iQdFF@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimqctVAwCEpNH1NOrgz30Mrmi+fCmkBU+Z10-HU@mail.gmail.com>

The game last night posted the highest overnight metered market rating
(16.1) in cable TV history and will likely become the most viewed cable TV
program ever after the ratings come out later:
http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2011/01/11/bcs-national-championship-cable%E2%80%99s-highest-overnight-rating/

I'd say ESPN did pretty well for themselves.  (And, given the fact that they
alone could never have pushed to implement a playoff I also don't blame them
at all for taking the BCS contract - and fans should enjoy their coverage
much more than FOX which treated it as an NFL afterthought).

Jonathan

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Exequiel Sevilla <ersiii@aol.com> wrote:

> The ratings don't matter as much as the bottom line $$$ for ESPN.
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 11 12:04:04 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Tue Jan 11 12:04:09 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] No Les Miles for Michigan
In-Reply-To: <8CD7FCE4CE0BFEC-1680-15FC@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD7FCE4CE0BFEC-1680-15FC@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <820157.3812.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

LSU is reporting that Les Miles will remain their football coach.

The Michigan faithful are starting to panic, as it looks like Brady Hoke is the 
next choice.? He will probably not be a popular pick with a sub-.500 career 
record as a college coach.

Reports are that Missouri's Gary Pinkel also showed no interest (a la Fitz).
From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 11 12:18:57 2011
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Tue Jan 11 12:19:13 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] A Medill Question
In-Reply-To: <8CD7FCE4CE0BFEC-1680-15FC@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD7FCE4CE0BFEC-1680-15FC@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <199365.58047.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

It's not.? I don't think most people - even fans - would consider a former NFL 
player turned pundit a journalist.? They already have conflicts of interest 
everywhere - they're friends with players and coaches and hold their criticism, 
or perhaps they vent a bit more about someone they?really dislike.

It's a somewhat finer line with someone like Rich Eisen, or Chris Berman (who 
does tons of commercials).? Talk radio hosts (sports and news)?also toe that 
line when they voice commercials that air during their shows.? That's kinda 
iffy, in my book.? But it's definitely an accepted part of the business, and 
still better than serious reporters like Bob Ley, Jeremy Schaap or even an ESPN 
features reporter like Ed Werder or Rachel Nichols doing endorsements.? That's 
probably the line ESPN would say it tries to walk.

And in the end, no one really considers Jay Glazer or Terry Bradshaw or even 
Chris Berman an expert on anything but sports.? When a hard news journalist 
starts doing endorsements, then it's really an issue.? But thankfully, I haven't 
noticed that yet...

Ben


________________________________
From: "cherron604@aol.com" <cherron604@aol.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, January 11, 2011 9:44:15 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] A Medill Question


I ask the Medill guys/Journalism guys here:

When did it become acceptable for a journalist to endorse a product ?

I am thinking of Jay Glazer (sp) and Michael Strahan endorsing Subway sandwiches

Also, this weekend I saw Rich Eisen (NFL Network) appearing in a commercial for 
Pepsi Max

I realize there may be some debate as to any of these individuals' journalistic 
credentials

I am quite sure that we never had Jerome Holtzman for Gold Toe socks, or Shirley 
Povich for Florsheim shoes (but I may be wrong)

Chuck Herron? Tech '85 



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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan 11 12:24:54 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan 11 12:24:56 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] No Les Miles for Michigan
In-Reply-To: <820157.3812.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> from "Evans
	Schoeman" at Jan 11, 2011 10:04:04 AM
Message-ID: <201101111824.p0BIOs1k020955@romaine.tssi.com>

> The Michigan faithful are starting to panic, as it looks like Brady Hoke is the 
> next choice.? He will probably not be a popular pick with a sub-.500 career 
> record as a college coach.
> 
> Reports are that Missouri's Gary Pinkel also showed no interest (a la Fitz).

I'm not surprised.  That's going to be a tough job to fill, and a tough job
for the poor schmoe who takes it, ESPECIALLY if he's not a "Michigan Man".
(At least Hoke worked there in the past.)

I see Pitt finally decided to pony up and hire Todd Graham, who was making more 
at Tulsa than Pitt was paying Wanny.  
--
Mike Nolan

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jan 11 12:25:29 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Jan 11 12:25:52 2011
Subject: Marketing Idea - RE: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from
	ADPerspective
In-Reply-To: <001901cbb15d$0a03b0c0$1e0b1240$@net>
References: <001901cbb15d$0a03b0c0$1e0b1240$@net>
Message-ID: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA06613425@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Good idea, but the roots of the Michigan fans run deep.

It is a Saturday religion based on generational commitment. 

That's why poor performance on the field, particularly with OSU, has
driven deep unhappiness with both the Coach and the current Michigan
administration.

Michigan fans feel that winning is their right and the direct result of
everything that is good and true about the University and the state.

They want to beat OSU because they feel that OSU's SEC-like approach to
football is the great evil and it is their destiny to overcome that evil
with pure Michigan.

Jeff




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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:59 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Marketing Idea - RE: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from
ADPerspective

Maybe we should encourage Chicago area Michigan fans to switch to the
home
team - that is Chicago's Big Ten team!
 
J
 
Go CATS!
Chris
 
www.mgoblue.com/sports/brandon/spec-rel/011011aaa.html
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On
Behalf Of Evans Schoeman
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:13 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from AD Perspective
 
Dave Brandon, Michigan's Athletic Director, posted this message on his
blog 
today.  Kind of interesting the way he articulates what's going on (and
what

isn't).
 
www.mgoblue.com/sports/brandon/spec-rel/011011aaa.html
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan 11 12:27:27 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan 11 12:27:29 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] A Medill Question
In-Reply-To: <199365.58047.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> from "Ben Adler" at
	Jan 11, 2011 10:18:57 AM
Message-ID: <201101111827.p0BIRRH6021000@romaine.tssi.com>

> And in the end, no one really considers Jay Glazer or Terry Bradshaw or even 
> Chris Berman an expert on anything but sports.? When a hard news journalist 
> starts doing endorsements, then it's really an issue.? But thankfully, I haven't 
> noticed that yet...

I've seen TV anchormen who did commercials. 

Paul Harvey was famous for his endorsements, and I suspect he made a lot of money
from them over the years, too.
--
Mike Nolan

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 11 12:31:13 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue Jan 11 12:31:59 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] A Medill Question
In-Reply-To: <8CD7FCE4CE0BFEC-1680-15FC@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD7FCE4CE0BFEC-1680-15FC@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinExrjd_0KqqHKa-dm1WWWBPhJA+UV7Xbq5vQng@mail.gmail.com>

Here's my take:

Chuck's question is actually super-complicated. As much as we would like the
world to fall into easy black and white categories it's not typically that
way. The world is typically filled with shades of gray, right?

I think we could all start with the proposition that Glazer and Strahan
would not fit the traditional category of "journalist" the way Holtzman or
Povich did.

But Eisen -- though a television-oriented journalist -- is certainly a
journalist.

So -- where does that leave you?

Glazer and Strahan might better be described as "personalities." So are the
rules for "personalities" different than "journalists"?

But what if a "journalist" goes on a show such as "Around the Horn" and gets
paid for his or her appearance? Is that different than a "personality"
pitching a sandwich? If so, how?

Or how about this: If you listen to Dan Patrick in the morning, and one
minute he's interviewing Cam Newton and the next minute he's telling you
about auto insurance (I'm making all this up), does the pitch for auto
insurance make you think less about any or all of the questions he asked Cam
Newton? Or are you willing to accept that the show includes the Dan-ettes,
that the Dan-ettes have salaries, that someone has to pay those salaries and
so telling you about auto insurance is just part of what Dan has to do?









On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:44 AM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:

>
> I ask the Medill guys/Journalism guys here:
>
> When did it become acceptable for a journalist to endorse a product ?
>
> I am thinking of Jay Glazer (sp) and Michael Strahan endorsing Subway
> sandwiches
>
> Also, this weekend I saw Rich Eisen (NFL Network) appearing in a commercial
> for Pepsi Max
>
> I realize there may be some debate as to any of these individuals'
> journalistic credentials
>
> I am quite sure that we never had Jerome Holtzman for Gold Toe socks, or
> Shirley Povich for Florsheim shoes (but I may be wrong)
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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>
From thiegs at umn.edu  Tue Jan 11 13:15:03 2011
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Tue Jan 11 13:15:20 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] No Les Miles for Michigan
In-Reply-To: <820157.3812.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <8CD7FCE4CE0BFEC-1680-15FC@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com>
	<820157.3812.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinJTm6bcndDvp0WAeTJjfUms18StuYRYdQJ7M+5@mail.gmail.com>

"He will probably not be a popular pick with a sub-.500 career record as a
college coach."

I'm sure you're right, but it just goes to show what fans know.  Gene Chizik
was 5-19 in his two-year stint at Iowa State, but it still turned out pretty
well for Auburn, despite a lot of Tiger fans moaning about his hiring a
couple of years ago.

-Joe

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Evans Schoeman <eschoeman@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> LSU is reporting that Les Miles will remain their football coach.
>
> The Michigan faithful are starting to panic, as it looks like Brady Hoke is
> the
> next choice.  He will probably not be a popular pick with a sub-.500 career
> record as a college coach.
>
> Reports are that Missouri's Gary Pinkel also showed no interest (a la
> Fitz).
>
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan 11 13:49:34 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 11 13:50:14 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011-2012 Top 25 ?
Message-ID: <8CD7FDFCE781F10-960-1354@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>


In today's Tribune:


http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/os-2011-preseason-top-25-college-foot20110110,0,2258111.story?page=1


Why does the Tribune consider this a worthy addition to the national discussion on College Football ?

Who in the heck is Matt Murschel ?  And why should I care what he is thinking ?

His argument for Michigan to finish at #20 seems silly.  The Georgia argument also sounds silly.

Shouldn't the Tribune provide its readers with this man's qualifications, If it wants us to care what he says.  If not, why bother to print it ?

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jan 11 13:50:42 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Jan 11 13:50:56 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] No Les Miles for Michigan
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinJTm6bcndDvp0WAeTJjfUms18StuYRYdQJ7M+5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CD7FCE4CE0BFEC-1680-15FC@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com><820157.3812.qm@web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<AANLkTinJTm6bcndDvp0WAeTJjfUms18StuYRYdQJ7M+5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA0661347C@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Heard from some insiders today that this was a deal wired for Hoke from
the start.

Apparently there is deep division between the Bo faction of the alums
who want Miles and the Carr faction of alums who want Hoke (There is
some history of bad blood between Miles and Carr).  Brandon met with
Miles only to satisfy the Bo faction, but did not tender an offer even
though Miles expressed interest.

We should know soon whether this is reliable information, but the
reports continue to come from LSU that Miles is staying.

Hoke, by the way, is on record saying that he doesn't have much respect
for teams that run the spread, calling it a trick offense.  It will be
interesting to see how Denard Robinson responds if Hoke is hired.

Jeff



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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:15 PM
To: Evans Schoeman
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] No Les Miles for Michigan

"He will probably not be a popular pick with a sub-.500 career record as
a
college coach."

I'm sure you're right, but it just goes to show what fans know.  Gene
Chizik
was 5-19 in his two-year stint at Iowa State, but it still turned out
pretty
well for Auburn, despite a lot of Tiger fans moaning about his hiring a
couple of years ago.

-Joe

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Evans Schoeman
<eschoeman@sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> LSU is reporting that Les Miles will remain their football coach.
>
> The Michigan faithful are starting to panic, as it looks like Brady
Hoke is
> the
> next choice.  He will probably not be a popular pick with a sub-.500
career
> record as a college coach.
>
> Reports are that Missouri's Gary Pinkel also showed no interest (a la
> Fitz).
>
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Jan 11 14:03:45 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Jan 11 14:04:11 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011-2012 Top 25 ?
In-Reply-To: <8CD7FDFCE781F10-960-1354@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD7FDFCE781F10-960-1354@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikkPt4+UZL_LBjWQeGLm4kZ+dnjtCH4+rQ5_K0c@mail.gmail.com>

Matt Murschel appears to be a write from the Orlando Sentinel, a paper also
owned by the Tribune company, and sometimes they do share content between
papers.  Saying that, I've never read any college football coverage from him
before as I presume his focus is on teams in the state of Florida.  I agree
that these preseason rankings are riddled with issues and errors/omissions;
a couple of examples: he heavily knocks Michigan but still has them ranked,
and he completely neglects to mention Michigan State losing Greg Jones to
graduation despite Jones being the center of their defense (Gordon is a nice
player, too, but this makes the loss to their LB corps even larger).

In any case it was obviously the right time for a look ahead with the 2010
season officially ending last night, unfortunately the analysis just wasn't
that great.  Our own Teddy Greenstein would have done a better job, IMHO,
but he was likely busy writing this:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/greenstein/ct-spt-0111-northwestern-carmody--20110110,0,1373565.column

Which says that Carmody's "multi-year" extension was 2 years, through the
2012-2013 season.  Sounds like a recruiting stop-gap more than a validation
of his accomplishments to me.

Jonathan

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 1:49 PM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:

>
> In today's Tribune:
>
>
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/os-2011-preseason-top-25-college-foot20110110,0,2258111.story?page=1
>
>
> Why does the Tribune consider this a worthy addition to the national
> discussion on College Football ?
>
> Who in the heck is Matt Murschel ?  And why should I care what he is
> thinking ?
>
> His argument for Michigan to finish at #20 seems silly.  The Georgia
> argument also sounds silly.
>
> Shouldn't the Tribune provide its readers with this man's qualifications,
> If it wants us to care what he says.  If not, why bother to print it ?
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>


-- 
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Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges@alumni.northwestern.edu
From e-west at northwestern.edu  Tue Jan 11 14:08:21 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Tue Jan 11 14:08:38 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011-2012 Top 25 ?
In-Reply-To: <8CD7FDFCE781F10-960-1354@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CD7FDFCE781F10-960-1354@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D2CB8B5.7090908@northwestern.edu>


On 1/11/2011 1:49 PM, cherron604@aol.com wrote:
> Shouldn't the Tribune provide its readers with this man's qualifications, If it wants us to care what he says.  If not, why bother to print it ?

They didn't print it, at least not in today's Sports section. They 
linked to it from their free website, and you got what you paid for.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 11 14:17:24 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan 11 14:15:07 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] A Medill Question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinExrjd_0KqqHKa-dm1WWWBPhJA+UV7Xbq5vQng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CD7FCE4CE0BFEC-1680-15FC@Webmail-d120.sysops.aol.com>
	<AANLkTinExrjd_0KqqHKa-dm1WWWBPhJA+UV7Xbq5vQng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000901cbb1cc$92dfdb20$b89f9160$@com>

For years, Radio and TV "personalities" have done endorsements. In major market radio,
spots read live by the host command a 50% surcharge in some markets!

Paul Harvey did commercials on his News and Comment show almost from the beginning. There
are even spots running now that claim that the person playing a consumer heard Paul Harvey
endorse whatever and therefore it is good.

Local TV guys are often blessed with the best on air voices and as such get calls to voice
radio and TV spots. If they don't use their name, it's usually not considered a breach of
some Journalistic rule, but weather guys have been doing car and furniture store
commercials for years.  I'm sure Cronkite and Rather did radio spots back before CBS when
they were on the local stations. It is part of the Job Description.

With the current fad of working sponsors into the background of "reports," and the
planting of video stories on TV local stations getting more and more prevalent, I suspect
that Medill will eventually offer a "Voicing Commercials for TV and Radio" class, but then
the kids can now take a RTV course that does that.

(No sponsor or product paid for this post)

<g>

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
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================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:31 PM
To: cherron604@aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] A Medill Question

Here's my take:

Chuck's question is actually super-complicated. As much as we would like the
world to fall into easy black and white categories it's not typically that
way. The world is typically filled with shades of gray, right?

I think we could all start with the proposition that Glazer and Strahan
would not fit the traditional category of "journalist" the way Holtzman or
Povich did.

But Eisen -- though a television-oriented journalist -- is certainly a
journalist.

So -- where does that leave you?

Glazer and Strahan might better be described as "personalities." So are the
rules for "personalities" different than "journalists"?

But what if a "journalist" goes on a show such as "Around the Horn" and gets
paid for his or her appearance? Is that different than a "personality"
pitching a sandwich? If so, how?

Or how about this: If you listen to Dan Patrick in the morning, and one
minute he's interviewing Cam Newton and the next minute he's telling you
about auto insurance (I'm making all this up), does the pitch for auto
insurance make you think less about any or all of the questions he asked Cam
Newton? Or are you willing to accept that the show includes the Dan-ettes,
that the Dan-ettes have salaries, that someone has to pay those salaries and
so telling you about auto insurance is just part of what Dan has to do?









On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:44 AM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:

>
> I ask the Medill guys/Journalism guys here:
>
> When did it become acceptable for a journalist to endorse a product ?
>
> I am thinking of Jay Glazer (sp) and Michael Strahan endorsing Subway
> sandwiches
>
> Also, this weekend I saw Rich Eisen (NFL Network) appearing in a commercial
> for Pepsi Max
>
> I realize there may be some debate as to any of these individuals'
> journalistic credentials
>
> I am quite sure that we never had Jerome Holtzman for Gold Toe socks, or
> Shirley Povich for Florsheim shoes (but I may be wrong)
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 11 14:31:03 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan 11 14:31:20 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] No Les Miles for Michigan
In-Reply-To: <201101111824.p0BIOs1k020955@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <803014.5259.qm@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Wow - Les leaves his "dear old alma mater" at the altar twice.

Michigan is left holding a pile of doggy doo with egg on their face after this second straight disaster of a coaching search.

It really is sad for the league - Michigan SHOULD be one of those dream jobs people trip over themselves to get. But when your former QB passes up becoming a legend for 3-4 years max in the NFL ... and then a famous alum spurns you a second time to stay at a school that seems to be tiring of him and is falling behind the Bamas and Auburns in the west (at least the first time he said no he was in the midst of a title run - now his days appear numbered, just ask Phil Fulmer how much the ring is worth after a few years in SEC land).

It's certainly good for us in the short term, but in the long term, the Big Ten needs Michigan to return to its place as an elite program

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================



      

From cspnu81 at tds.net  Tue Jan 11 14:38:45 2011
From: cspnu81 at tds.net (Chris Patterson)
Date: Tue Jan 11 14:38:56 2011
Subject: FW: Marketing Idea - RE: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from
	ADPerspective
Message-ID: <000d01cbb1cf$8c26c9d0$a4745d70$@net>

I was trying to be somewhat facetious.  I wouldn't expect any Big Ten alum to switch their fan support to another Big Ten school either.

Though it would be, I don't know, 'amusing' if some disgruntled fans did switch over in protest.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:25 PM
To: cpatterson@enterprisesw.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: Marketing Idea - RE: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from ADPerspective

Good idea, but the roots of the Michigan fans run deep.

It is a Saturday religion based on generational commitment. 

That's why poor performance on the field, particularly with OSU, has
driven deep unhappiness with both the Coach and the current Michigan
administration.

Michigan fans feel that winning is their right and the direct result of
everything that is good and true about the University and the state.

They want to beat OSU because they feel that OSU's SEC-like approach to
football is the great evil and it is their destiny to overcome that evil
with pure Michigan.

Jeff




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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:59 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Marketing Idea - RE: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from
ADPerspective

Maybe we should encourage Chicago area Michigan fans to switch to the
home
team - that is Chicago's Big Ten team!
 
J
 
Go CATS!
Chris
 
www.mgoblue.com/sports/brandon/spec-rel/011011aaa.html
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On
Behalf Of Evans Schoeman
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:13 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from AD Perspective
 
Dave Brandon, Michigan's Athletic Director, posted this message on his
blog 
today.  Kind of interesting the way he articulates what's going on (and
what

isn't).
 
www.mgoblue.com/sports/brandon/spec-rel/011011aaa.html
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 11 14:42:08 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan 11 14:39:42 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] No Les Miles for Michigan
In-Reply-To: <803014.5259.qm@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <201101111824.p0BIOs1k020955@romaine.tssi.com>
	<803014.5259.qm@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000101cbb1d0$043b4c20$0cb1e460$@com>

What if you gave a party ...

And nobody came?

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTRCS USN/USNR Retired
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
"...Then I get on my knees and pray,
WE DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!" -- Pete Townsend
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT
(Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 3:31 PM
To: Evans Schoeman; Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] No Les Miles for Michigan

Wow - Les leaves his "dear old alma mater" at the altar twice.

Michigan is left holding a pile of doggy doo with egg on their face after this second
straight disaster of a coaching search.

It really is sad for the league - Michigan SHOULD be one of those dream jobs people trip
over themselves to get. But when your former QB passes up becoming a legend for 3-4 years
max in the NFL ... and then a famous alum spurns you a second time to stay at a school
that seems to be tiring of him and is falling behind the Bamas and Auburns in the west (at
least the first time he said no he was in the midst of a title run - now his days appear
numbered, just ask Phil Fulmer how much the ring is worth after a few years in SEC land).

It's certainly good for us in the short term, but in the long term, the Big Ten needs
Michigan to return to its place as an elite program

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jan 11 16:01:44 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Jan 11 16:02:36 2011
Subject: Marketing Idea - RE: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search
	fromADPerspective
References: <000d01cbb1cf$8c26c9d0$a4745d70$@net>
Message-ID: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA04B8000C@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

We'll see what happens in the Hoke era. 
 
Jeff

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Chris Patterson
Sent: Tue 1/11/2011 3:38 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: FW: Marketing Idea - RE: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search fromADPerspective



I was trying to be somewhat facetious.  I wouldn't expect any Big Ten alum to switch their fan support to another Big Ten school either.

Though it would be, I don't know, 'amusing' if some disgruntled fans did switch over in protest.

-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:25 PM
To: cpatterson@enterprisesw.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: Marketing Idea - RE: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from ADPerspective

Good idea, but the roots of the Michigan fans run deep.

It is a Saturday religion based on generational commitment.

That's why poor performance on the field, particularly with OSU, has
driven deep unhappiness with both the Coach and the current Michigan
administration.

Michigan fans feel that winning is their right and the direct result of
everything that is good and true about the University and the state.

They want to beat OSU because they feel that OSU's SEC-like approach to
football is the great evil and it is their destiny to overcome that evil
with pure Michigan.

Jeff




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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Chris Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 1:59 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Marketing Idea - RE: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from
ADPerspective

Maybe we should encourage Chicago area Michigan fans to switch to the
home
team - that is Chicago's Big Ten team!

J

Go CATS!
Chris

www.mgoblue.com/sports/brandon/spec-rel/011011aaa.html

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On
Behalf Of Evans Schoeman
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 5:13 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan Coaching Search from AD Perspective

Dave Brandon, Michigan's Athletic Director, posted this message on his
blog
today.  Kind of interesting the way he articulates what's going on (and
what

isn't).

www.mgoblue.com/sports/brandon/spec-rel/011011aaa.html
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan 11 16:20:45 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan 11 16:20:46 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] No Les Miles for Michigan
In-Reply-To: <000101cbb1d0$043b4c20$0cb1e460$@com> from "Roy S. Lamberton" at
	Jan 11, 2011 03:42:08 PM
Message-ID: <201101112220.p0BMKkCA022474@romaine.tssi.com>

Brady Hoke just sent in his RSVP.
--
Mike Nolan
 
> What if you gave a party ...
> 
> And nobody came?
> 
> rsl

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 11 16:31:37 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan 11 16:31:43 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] 2011-2012 Top 25 ?
In-Reply-To: <8CD7FDFCE781F10-960-1354@webmail-d044.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <28570.50026.qm@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

> His argument for Michigan to finish at #20 seems
> silly.? The Georgia argument also sounds silly.

Even worse is his argument on how dOSU would have been the Big Ten favorite before the suspensions.

He does realize that they are suspended only one Big Ten game - vs. MSU at home - and that might be eliminated if the suspensions are reduced. Also, MSU is not in OSU's division, so the Bucks still have all their division games and a title game rematch with MSU left then - so the suspensions should play no role. :)

I think he's undervaluing PSU as well - especially Moye at WR, who was a breakout star in their last few games.

But oh well, when a season ends with a thud (a cloud-o'-scandal program winning a soon-to-be-vacated title in a sloppy turnover-plagued game), you look ahead ...

Overall the league won't get the preseason love we got this year with OSU/Iowa/UW in the top 10 because of our bowl flop - but we'll be fine. Iowa showed in their bowl that they've got plenty of talent ready to step up. MSU and PSU have a lot back. OSU and UW will be in the thick again. And Nebraska should give us six solid top 20 teams with their addition. We'll see if Michigan gets it turned around, the Zookers continue their resurgence or if Mr. Persa can heal soon for the other contenders. 

About all we know for sure is that Indiana and Minnesota won't be meeting in the new Hoosierdome for the title.:) Should be fun - the regular season of college football always is!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 11 16:54:09 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan 11 16:54:14 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimqctVAwCEpNH1NOrgz30Mrmi+fCmkBU+Z10-HU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <651768.90990.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

> The game last night posted the
> highest overnight metered market rating
> (16.1) in cable TV history and will likely become the most

True - but it was a big drop from the 18.2 of last year's game that was essentially over after the first drive when McCoy went out hurt.

My point, I guess, is where is the money coming from in this house of cards? If ESPN paid more than Fox for it yet gets considerably lower ratings ... and if most stadiums are half empty and most games drop in ratings because of the glut of 6-6 MAC teams ... sooner or later someone is gonna be left holding the empty bag. And when the networks can't afford to overpay for lower ratings on the B(C)S, maybe some of these forgettable bowls will drop out. Hopefully.

It just seems pointless to me - you overpay for less ratings and less gate, driving away fans by giving them bowl overload - pretty soon it's gonna collapse. A day of bowls or a week of bowls as sustainable - but this year was the longest and most bloated ever and it will only get worse as long as ESPN and the B(C)S keep feeding the monster.

I mean honestly folks, how many bowl games did you watch? How many were interesting in that you can tell me something about them? How many of them were well played?

Like I said, I only watched the Dallas Bowl and Rose Bowl in depth - our game wasn't well played, but was exciting. The Rose Bowl may have been the best played game of the season but had low ratings still. Meanwhile the only other two games I saw large chunks of - the Outback Bowl and B(C)S Bowl - were horrendously sloppy in turnovers, stupid penalties/plays and more. Not the usual college excitement we get during the regular season. And the crowds (usually half empty) at bowls seem to be in a trance. The excitement's gone. The four NFL games this weekend all had more "college like" crowds in a frenzy and were more exciting (aside from the Baltimore blowout).

I'm just curious to see how long this charade will last. They can tout the "highest cable ratings ever" but put them side by side with past games and it's a big dropoff. Will they overpay next time? And if they don't, what will happen to the bowls feeding off the overspending? We'll see.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Jan 11 17:57:32 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Jan 11 17:58:10 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So I guess Texas Tech ...
In-Reply-To: <651768.90990.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTimqctVAwCEpNH1NOrgz30Mrmi+fCmkBU+Z10-HU@mail.gmail.com>
	<651768.90990.qm@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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The "house of cards" of which you speak is built upon ESPN's per subscriber
fees they get from cable/satellite operators, which, from numbers I saw this
past year, are the highest of any national cable network (particularly when
one adds all of the ESPN networks together which are typically packaged in
some fashion to the operators).  [Note: the only ones higher are the
regional sports networks, I believe].

This money is how they were easily able to outbid FOX.  And the fact that
there are so many cable/satellite subscribers means that they keep raking in
the money, and when they get any bump in ratings (like for the national
championship game, which did indeed become the most watched cable broadcast
ever: 17.7M households & 27.3M viewers) that means that they can command
that much more from their advertisers.  In any case the key are the
subscriber fees and the ad money is icing on the cake.

(And this is not even considering extra revenues they get from ESPN.com,
ESPN the magazine, ESPN3.com, and ESPN radio all which benefit from having
the BCS).

If one looks at the viewership even the "worst" bowls give ESPN a ratings
bump, which is why they started and now own a good number of them.  And
people (record numbers) continue to tune in.  It doesn't matter how few
people show up - the reason that this many bowls exist now is cable TV (I
would imagine there is a strong correlation between cable TV subscribers and
the number of bowls when plotted against time).

In any case I don't see the bowl system or the BCS collapsing any time soon
barring federal intervention.  I think we'll see some kind of evolution, but
it will take time (20 years or so IMHO).

Jonathan


On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 4:54 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> > The game last night posted the
> > highest overnight metered market rating
> > (16.1) in cable TV history and will likely become the most
>
> True - but it was a big drop from the 18.2 of last year's game that was
> essentially over after the first drive when McCoy went out hurt.
>
> My point, I guess, is where is the money coming from in this house of
> cards? If ESPN paid more than Fox for it yet gets considerably lower ratings
> ... and if most stadiums are half empty and most games drop in ratings
> because of the glut of 6-6 MAC teams ... sooner or later someone is gonna be
> left holding the empty bag. And when the networks can't afford to overpay
> for lower ratings on the B(C)S, maybe some of these forgettable bowls will
> drop out. Hopefully.
>
> It just seems pointless to me - you overpay for less ratings and less gate,
> driving away fans by giving them bowl overload - pretty soon it's gonna
> collapse. A day of bowls or a week of bowls as sustainable - but this year
> was the longest and most bloated ever and it will only get worse as long as
> ESPN and the B(C)S keep feeding the monster.
>
> I mean honestly folks, how many bowl games did you watch? How many were
> interesting in that you can tell me something about them? How many of them
> were well played?
>
> Like I said, I only watched the Dallas Bowl and Rose Bowl in depth - our
> game wasn't well played, but was exciting. The Rose Bowl may have been the
> best played game of the season but had low ratings still. Meanwhile the only
> other two games I saw large chunks of - the Outback Bowl and B(C)S Bowl -
> were horrendously sloppy in turnovers, stupid penalties/plays and more. Not
> the usual college excitement we get during the regular season. And the
> crowds (usually half empty) at bowls seem to be in a trance. The
> excitement's gone. The four NFL games this weekend all had more "college
> like" crowds in a frenzy and were more exciting (aside from the Baltimore
> blowout).
>
> I'm just curious to see how long this charade will last. They can tout the
> "highest cable ratings ever" but put them side by side with past games and
> it's a big dropoff. Will they overpay next time? And if they don't, what
> will happen to the bowls feeding off the overspending? We'll see.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
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Contributor, HailToPurple
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Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges@alumni.northwestern.edu
From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 11 18:49:35 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 11 18:49:08 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw: Article from Northwestern News Online
Message-ID: <369045644-1294793329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-19945019-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

On lighter notes I thought this non athletic e mail might be of interest to the group

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ken Kirsch" <kkirsch@cox.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 16:49:20 
To: <hakirsch@aol.com>; 'Feldman'<feldmandb@yahoo.com>
Subject: FW: Article from Northwestern News Online

FYI..  Holy Cow, as they say.

 

From: Allen Lentino [mailto:a-lentino@northwestern.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 9:46 AM
To: 'Allen V. Lentino'
Cc: 'Andrew Linnehan'
Subject: Article from Northwestern News Online

 

To:  AAC Directors

This article was posted today on the Northwestern web site. I thought it
would be good information to have during the interview process.

Allen

 

January 10, 2011 | Announcements

So Many Applications...

 

Applications for class of 2015 are up more than 10 percent from last year

By Pat Vaughan Tremmel <mailto:p-tremmel@northwestern.edu> 

EVANSTON, Ill. --- Freshman applications to Northwestern University for next
fall's entering class reached 30,529 -- a 10.5 percent increase from last
year. That is almost double the 16,000 applications Northwestern received in
2005 -- only six years earlier. 

"The increase in applications affirms Northwestern's position among the most
selective institutions, while reflecting the University's increased efforts
in achieving diversity," said Mike Mills, associate provost for enrollment
management at Northwestern.

Nearly 1,000 students who attend a Chicago public high school are among this
year's applicants, up by 25 percent from last year. The number is five times
higher than in 2001, the beginning of the decade. And last year's freshman
class of 2,127 included more than 300 Pell Grant recipients, or 14.9 percent
of the class, up dramatically from two years ago when the percentage was 6.5
percent.

Applications from African-American and Latino/a students increased by double
digits last year, and also are up significantly this year.

"We are heartened that our increased efforts to get students of color to
apply to Northwestern have paid off," Mills said. "At the same time, we
understand that these students will have many choices on where to attend
college, and we must continue to work hard to show these students the unique
benefits of attending Northwestern."

Three years ago Northwestern increased its commitment to attracting students
of color and providing financial assistance to students from low- and
middle-income families. Those efforts include the launch of the Good
Neighbor, Great University Scholarship Program, through which freshmen who
graduate from high schools in Evanston and Chicago receive scholarships that
include up to full tuition, depending on the student's level of need.  

The final total of applications may increase slightly, as the Office of
Undergraduate Admission still is processing applications received just
before the deadline. Northwestern expects to enroll 2,025 freshmen this
fall.

Foreshadowing the overall application surge, early decision applications
(Nov. 1 deadline) also increased sharply, to 2,100, rising by 25 percent for
the class of 2015, following increases in the previous two years.   

"The buzz about Northwestern continues to grow," Mills said. "The University
is home to a recent Nobel Prize winner in economics and other faculty
recognized nationally for research ranging from nanotechnology to Supreme
Court politics to fiction and play writing and directing. 

"Students, too, increasingly are winning big awards, including Rhodes and
Churchill scholarships, as they take advantage of the University's diverse
offerings, from a leading journalism school, to innovative engineering and
writing programs to unparalleled undergraduate research opportunities in
every one of Northwestern's schools."

Pat Vaughan Tremmel is the associate director of media relations. Contact
her at p-tremmel@northwestern.edu

 

 

Allen V. Lentino, Ph.D.

Senior Associate Director of Admission and Financial Aid

Office of Undergraduate Admission

Northwestern University

1801 Hinman Avenue

Evanston, IL 60208

(847) 491-8443 (phone)

(847) 467-1317 (fax)

a-lentino@northwestern.edu

www.ugadm.northwestern.edu

________________________________________________

HAIL TO PURPLE! HAIL TO WHITE! HAIL TO THEE NORTHWESTERN!

 


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 11 19:57:17 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan 11 19:57:32 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw: Article from Northwestern News Online
In-Reply-To: <369045644-1294793329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-19945019-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <125986.36324.qm@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Great story - good to know we're in demand and that we can be selective.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================



      

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Jan 12 20:30:37 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed Jan 12 20:31:58 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Helluva first half
In-Reply-To: <369045644-1294793329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-19945019-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <369045644-1294793329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-19945019-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30ECE0B0D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Shooting the lights out on the road, in a must-win game.  Gotta like that!

From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Jan 12 21:29:04 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 12 21:27:18 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Helluva first half
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30ECE0B0D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <369045644-1294793329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-19945019-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30ECE0B0D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <813420171-1294889221-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1421330102-@bda065.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Why is Juice still in wth 1:21 to go?  Now he goes out,  too risky
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: [NU Sports] Helluva first half

Shooting the lights out on the road, in a must-win game.  Gotta like that!

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From cspnu81 at tds.net  Wed Jan 12 22:17:30 2011
From: cspnu81 at tds.net (Chris Patterson)
Date: Wed Jan 12 22:17:44 2011
Subject: The Sky is Falling -- FW: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy
	Interim
Message-ID: <000901cbb2d8$cca3fb90$65ebf2b0$@net>

The Sky is Falling.... The Sky is Falling.
 
Largest margin of victory ever by the CATS in Iowa City.
 
The CATS haven't won there in 7 years, (I think they said on The Big Ten
Network).
 
Seems that Chicken Little was at the Gator Bowl and now looks like he went
to Iowa City where it started snowing (3's).  J
 
Whatever. Very fun to watch. Hope everyone else enjoyed it also!
 
Go CATS!
Chris
 
-----Original Message-----
Sent by someone on: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:02 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Dump Carmody - Name Hardy Interim
 
I thought Carmody should have been dumped 5 years ago when the team
consisted of all his own recruits and couldn't perform.  Nothing has
changed.  I've kept quiet because I've seen over the past 40 years that
telling the NU administration that is should do something obvious is a
sure-fire way to make sure it won't happen.  However, I can no longer take
it.
 
After all of the build-up for the past year that this was finally going to
be the year we'd make it to the Dance (and in previous years of telling
ourselves that the future looked better each year), last night's fiasco was
the final straw (of many straws that have been building of the years).  Dump
Carmody, sooner rather than later.
 
Hardy is the one who has been getting credit for the recruiting in-roads we
supposedly have been making.  Let him get some coaching credibility as well.
Name Hardy interim by mid-season.  He can't do worse than Carmody.  If Hardy
does well enough through the rest of the season, it might warrant removing
the "interim" label. 
 
The problem, of course, is that the NU admin rarely, if ever, fires anybody.
(Even Francis Peay wasn't fired; his contract was simply allowed to run out
and GB was hired.)  It would be nice if Morty and Jim could shake some of
the NU "warm and fuzzies" and just dump Carmody now.  This is an opportunity
for Morty and Jim to show us what they are made of.  We'll see. 
 
As for Carmody, he'll land on his feet.  The Big Ten Network has had success
with its former (less than successful) Big Ten football coaches (DiNardo and
Mason) as football analysts.  However, the BTN doesn't have comparable
analysts on the basketball side.  Carmody can get a job there. 
 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 12 22:58:54 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jan 12 22:58:59 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Iowa game ...
Message-ID: <316267.77528.qm@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Love the Iowa result.

But to be honest, we SHOULD and MUST beat Iowa and Indiana.

I wanna see how we do against Penn State - who seems to be our nemesis in recent years as we try and claw into that upper half of the league. Talor Battle is a big-time player and we need to beat the Nits along with the Hoosiers, Hawkeyes and Wolverines ... then we can smile a bit and get ready to battle some of the big boys.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

From neilkaplan at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 12 23:14:28 2011
From: neilkaplan at yahoo.com (Neil Kaplan)
Date: Wed Jan 12 23:14:46 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody
In-Reply-To: <316267.77528.qm@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <316267.77528.qm@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <255060.83935.qm@web120520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

While the win was nice, I fail to understand why we do not clear the bench when 
we are up by 20+.   1.  It's the right thing to do.  2.  Having Shurna in there 
with 5 minutes left is ridiculous.  Most college coaches that I observe do not 
clear the bench either.  I think it is a character flaw.  From personal 
experience, team unity is always enhanced when the last guy on the bench 
scores.  It is a right reward for playing against the first team every day in 
practice.

 _________________________________________
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neil@neilkaplan.com



----- Original Message ----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 8:58:54 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Iowa game ...

Love the Iowa result.

But to be honest, we SHOULD and MUST beat Iowa and Indiana.

I wanna see how we do against Penn State - who seems to be our nemesis in recent 
years as we try and claw into that upper half of the league. Talor Battle is a 
big-time player and we need to beat the Nits along with the Hoosiers, Hawkeyes 
and Wolverines ... then we can smile a bit and get ready to battle some of the 
big boys.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From johnl at mac.com  Thu Jan 13 00:37:07 2011
From: johnl at mac.com (Labbe John)
Date: Thu Jan 13 00:37:11 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz: Further contract extension and raise likely
Message-ID: <BCC22600-32AD-4AF7-91B4-B7FE1AA59613@mac.com>

This Teddy Greenstein article provides new information about  
Michigan's recent interest in Fitz and President Shapiro's and Jim  
Phillips's recent efforts to ensure that Fitz feels appreciated at NU,  
likely through a further contract extension and pay raise.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-0113-northwestern-football--20110112,0,3198543.story


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 13 07:02:05 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan 13 07:02:06 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody
In-Reply-To: <255060.83935.qm@web120520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <316267.77528.qm@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<255060.83935.qm@web120520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001601cbb322$1460cfa0$3d226ee0$@com>

I once heard a game where Duke came back on Maryland in the final minute - making up over
10 points.

Tuesday, MSU came all the way back on Wisconsin to tie the game, then won it in overtime.

Sometimes you put in all the scrubs and the other team goes on a 10-0 run and suddenly
you're in a one basket game AND they have the ball.

BC isn't the only coach who plays his 8 or 9 kids to the end, but if Ioway had come back
last night and won because Shurna & Co. were sitting out, you'd be calling for his head
this morning.

Just a modest observation.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Neil
Kaplan
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:14 AM
To: NUSPORTS
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody

While the win was nice, I fail to understand why we do not clear the bench when 
we are up by 20+.   1.  It's the right thing to do.  2.  Having Shurna in there 
with 5 minutes left is ridiculous.  Most college coaches that I observe do not 
clear the bench either.  I think it is a character flaw.  From personal 
experience, team unity is always enhanced when the last guy on the bench 
scores.  It is a right reward for playing against the first team every day in 
practice.

 _________________________________________
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neil@neilkaplan.com



----- Original Message ----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 8:58:54 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Iowa game ...

Love the Iowa result.

But to be honest, we SHOULD and MUST beat Iowa and Indiana.

I wanna see how we do against Penn State - who seems to be our nemesis in recent 
years as we try and claw into that upper half of the league. Talor Battle is a 
big-time player and we need to beat the Nits along with the Hoosiers, Hawkeyes 
and Wolverines ... then we can smile a bit and get ready to battle some of the 
big boys.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan 13 07:35:21 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan 13 07:35:39 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
Message-ID: <796A6EDE873D4DF9AF46903AE7AB0F63@DennisMachine>

Did I see what I thought I saw in the Trib article on Fitz?  That he can't make "official recruiting visits to prospects who have either been admitted or on track to be admitted to school?"  That explains at least part of our recruiting problems.  Unless recruits first consider us, we can't recruit them?  Does any other school do that?  Apparently our administration flunked salesmanship 101.

Drop that rule now!
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 13 07:42:24 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Jan 13 07:42:28 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody
In-Reply-To: <255060.83935.qm@web120520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <316267.77528.qm@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<255060.83935.qm@web120520.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <302805.27252.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

He did clear the bench--subs played early and often from what I could see. A 
couple of times he tried going with mostly backups and Iowa made some runs, so a 
starter or two went back in here and there. I too am sometimes puzzled by how 
much Carmody relies on his starting 5, but not last night. 

Heck of a win. Another not-very-good opponent, but still impressive. And a very, 
very rare W in Iowa City!

Tom



----- Original Message ----
> From: Neil Kaplan <neilkaplan@yahoo.com>
> To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 11:14:28 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody
> 
> While the win was nice, I fail to understand why we do not clear the bench when 
>
> we are up by 20+.   1.  It's the right thing to do.  2.   Having Shurna in 
>there 
>
> with 5 minutes left is ridiculous.  Most college  coaches that I observe do not 
>
> clear the bench either.  I think it is a  character flaw.  From personal 
> experience, team unity is always  enhanced when the last guy on the bench 
> scores.  It is a right reward  for playing against the first team every day in 

> practice.
> 
>   _________________________________________
> NEIL KAPLAN
> neil@neilkaplan.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----  Original Message ----
> From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Wed,  January 12, 2011 8:58:54 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] Iowa game ...
> 
> Love  the Iowa result.
> 
> But to be honest, we SHOULD and MUST beat Iowa and  Indiana.
> 
> I wanna see how we do against Penn State - who seems to be our  nemesis in 
>recent 
>
> years as we try and claw into that upper half of the  league. Talor Battle is a 
>
> big-time player and we need to beat the Nits along  with the Hoosiers, Hawkeyes 
>
> and Wolverines ... then we can smile a bit and  get ready to battle some of the 
>
> big boys.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
> *  * * * * * * * *
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> sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 13 09:03:58 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan 13 09:04:11 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
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It has been a while, but under Walker, NU offered most of the blue chip Juniors on signing
day, a year out.  The letters were sent out to kids the recruiting guys had identified as
meeting NU's criteria, and who were highly rated by the different private recruiting
services.

I think we operate the way Stanford does - to be a serious recruit, the kid has to apply
to the school, then they can talk to him or her. 

However, I wonder if is a money issue? They don't want to pay for a coach's trip to Podunk
if the kid has no interest in NU. Or, perhaps, it is another one of those "secret
recruiting rules" that most Div I teams run afoul of every year.

Maybe one of the regular media guys could ask the Media office to explain?

rsl

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
W. Brandt
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 8:35 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting

Did I see what I thought I saw in the Trib article on Fitz?  That he can't make "official
recruiting visits to prospects who have either been admitted or on track to be admitted to
school?"  That explains at least part of our recruiting problems.  Unless recruits first
consider us, we can't recruit them?  Does any other school do that?  Apparently our
administration flunked salesmanship 101.

Drop that rule now!
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Thu Jan 13 09:09:01 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Thu Jan 13 09:09:17 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
In-Reply-To: <796A6EDE873D4DF9AF46903AE7AB0F63@DennisMachine>
References: <796A6EDE873D4DF9AF46903AE7AB0F63@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <4D2F158D.90906@northwestern.edu>

The article was pretty vague in its summary of the "rule," which is 
really just an extra bureaucratic step, and it led to an incorrect 
assumption on your part.

It's not harming our recruiting in any real way, nor does it make our 
football or basketball teams lose games they ought to win. All it does 
is make sure we don't flunk Compliance 101. That's far more important to 
me than anything else.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


On 1/13/2011 7:35 AM, Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
> Did I see what I thought I saw in the Trib article on Fitz?  That he can't make "official recruiting visits to prospects who have either been admitted or on track to be admitted to school?"  That explains at least part of our recruiting problems.  Unless recruits first consider us, we can't recruit them?  Does any other school do that?  Apparently our administration flunked salesmanship 101.
>
> Drop that rule now!

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 13 10:10:53 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Jan 13 10:10:57 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
In-Reply-To: <001201cbb333$1b3a7130$51af5390$@com>
References: <796A6EDE873D4DF9AF46903AE7AB0F63@DennisMachine>
	<001201cbb333$1b3a7130$51af5390$@com>
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Speaking of recruiting, in case anyone thought it was a level playing field, 
it's not:

http://oversigning.com/testing/

Posts on the rivals board claim that Harbaugh pulled similar stuff at Stanford, 
by putting out way more offers than they had spots, and then denying admit as 
needed to make room for the best players. 

Tom

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan 13 10:25:44 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Jan 13 10:26:06 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
In-Reply-To: <800656.83407.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <796A6EDE873D4DF9AF46903AE7AB0F63@DennisMachine>
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I've heard that the SEC practice is to oversign and bring those kids into practice where there is competition FOR THE SCHOLLY. Those that get cut usually transfer to jc's or div II. 

BT only brings in scholly kids and any potential walk-ons. 

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:11 AM, "Tom Maycock" <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Speaking of recruiting, in case anyone thought it was a level playing field, 
> it's not:
> 
> http://oversigning.com/testing/
> 
> Posts on the rivals board claim that Harbaugh pulled similar stuff at Stanford, 
> by putting out way more offers than they had spots, and then denying admit as 
> needed to make room for the best players. 
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
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From yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Jan 13 11:03:39 2011
From: yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu (Evan Bradley)
Date: Thu Jan 13 11:04:52 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody
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If I recall correctly, he cleared the bench at the end of the first
half, up by almost 30, and they couldn't score in 4 minutes, so the
difference was 20 at the half.

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:
> He did clear the bench--subs played early and often from what I could see. A
> couple of times he tried going with mostly backups and Iowa made some runs,
> so a
> starter or two went back in here and there. I too am sometimes puzzled by
> how
> much Carmody relies on his starting 5, but not last night.
>
> Heck of a win. Another not-very-good opponent, but still impressive. And a
> very,
> very rare W in Iowa City!
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Neil Kaplan <neilkaplan@yahoo.com>
>> To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>> Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 11:14:28 PM
>> Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody
>>
>> While the win was nice, I fail to understand why we do not clear the bench
>> when
>>
>> we are up by 20+. ? 1. ?It's the right thing to do. ?2. ? Having Shurna in
>>there
>>
>> with 5 minutes left is ridiculous. ?Most college ?coaches that I observe
>> do not
>>
>> clear the bench either. ?I think it is a ?character flaw. ?From personal
>> experience, team unity is always ?enhanced when the last guy on the bench
>> scores. ?It is a right reward ?for playing against the first team every
>> day in
>
>> practice.
>>
>> ? _________________________________________
>> NEIL KAPLAN
>> neil@neilkaplan.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- ?Original Message ----
>> From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
>> To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>> Sent: Wed, ?January 12, 2011 8:58:54 PM
>> Subject: [NU Sports] Iowa game ...
>>
>> Love ?the Iowa result.
>>
>> But to be honest, we SHOULD and MUST beat Iowa and ?Indiana.
>>
>> I wanna see how we do against Penn State - who seems to be our ?nemesis in
>>recent
>>
>> years as we try and claw into that upper half of the ?league. Talor Battle
>> is a
>>
>> big-time player and we need to beat the Nits along ?with the Hoosiers,
>> Hawkeyes
>>
>> and Wolverines ... then we can smile a bit and ?get ready to battle some
>> of the
>>
>> big boys.
>>
>> GO CATS!!!
>> -SjT
>>
>> * ?* * * * * * * *
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog@yahoo.com
>> GO CATS!!! GEAUX ?SAINTS!!!
>> Super Bowl XLIV ?Champions!
>> ==========================
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 13 11:38:41 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan 13 11:38:56 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
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You can pull that sort of thing at a state school, where just about anyone can get accepted.

But they still cannot sign more than 85 kids to football scholarships.

There is nothing in the rules that precludes a position coach from working the summer camp, and making mental notes about how different kids react to their coaching before any offers are tendered. 

RW rarely walked around the NU summer camp, but just about all of the assistant coaches ran their position areas, there just wasn't any video shot (that you could tell) during the sessions AND all the blinds into the indoor facility were closed during camp sessions.

NU does use a lot of "preferred walk-ons" who are really the first in line for a scholarship and since Walker, much is made of walking on to get a scholarship. When I was around in 72-74, it was virtually impossible to even get a look as a walk-on at NU (we had a kid in the fraternity who was a very good QB - led Chi Phi to at least 3 intramural championships, but they wouldn't even give him a tryout)

He probably wouldn't have made the team, but he was awfully good.

rsl

 

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 11:26 AM
To: Tom Maycock
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Recruiting

I've heard that the SEC practice is to oversign and bring those kids into practice where there is competition FOR THE SCHOLLY. Those that get cut usually transfer to jc's or div II. 

BT only brings in scholly kids and any potential walk-ons. 

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 13, 2011, at 11:11 AM, "Tom Maycock" <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Speaking of recruiting, in case anyone thought it was a level playing field, 
> it's not:
> 
> http://oversigning.com/testing/
> 
> Posts on the rivals board claim that Harbaugh pulled similar stuff at Stanford, 
> by putting out way more offers than they had spots, and then denying admit as 
> needed to make room for the best players. 
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 13 11:53:35 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Jan 13 11:53:39 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
In-Reply-To: <000c01cbb348$b9c31c20$2d495460$@com>
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> But they still cannot sign more than 85 kids to football  scholarships.
> 


You can't *have* more than 85, but you can *sign* way more than can fit under 
your 85 limit, at least you can in the SEC. That's the problem. 

Some of the SEC schools are apparently signing WAY more kids then they have room 
for each year. Then, they bump existing kids, abuse medical redshirt rules, and 
anything else they need to do, to get down to the 85 limit. 

Pretty unsavory stuff, and a huge advantage over Big 10 teams that are (as I 
understand) restricted by the conference on the number of players they can sign 
to a number directly related to the number of open slots. 

Tom
From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan 13 12:15:21 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan 13 12:15:40 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
References: <796A6EDE873D4DF9AF46903AE7AB0F63@DennisMachine>
	<4D2F158D.90906@northwestern.edu>
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> The article was pretty vague in its summary of the "rule," which is really 
> just an extra bureaucratic step, and it led to an incorrect assumption on 
> your part.
>
> It's not harming our recruiting in any real way, nor does it make our 
> football or basketball teams lose games they ought to win. All it does is 
> make sure we don't flunk Compliance 101. That's far more important to me 
> than anything else.

So you are saying that before Joe Paterno enters the house of any potential 
recruit that that kid must have applied for entrance into Penn State first? 
Than any blue-chip kid pursued by a dozen universities has to first apply to 
all the schools who want to visit him?  I find that hard to believe. 
Neither do I believe that trying to sell your school to a kid is, by 
definition, an unsavory act or automatically is equated to the previously 
mentioned alleged practices of SEC schools.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 13 12:19:44 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan 13 12:19:44 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
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Hmmmm, of course they can get alums to fund "grants" to walk-ons who don't have the money
to attend the school. Div III schools do that all the time (and not just the big players
either)

The Div 1AA teams probably have 10-15 kids on academic scholarships of some sort but you'd
have to look at the Spring Roster and the Signing release and see if the SEC guys have
more than 85 players.

The question is which players are on scholarship. Even NU doesn't release that info,
except that they used to put out a list of walk-ons in June every year, when they handed
out the uniform numbers.

I can remember back when UNL used to have a large number of walk-ons - but like dOSU,
everyone who applied could get in if they were a HS grad.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Maycock
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:54 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Recruiting

> But they still cannot sign more than 85 kids to football  scholarships.
> 


You can't *have* more than 85, but you can *sign* way more than can fit under 
your 85 limit, at least you can in the SEC. That's the problem. 

Some of the SEC schools are apparently signing WAY more kids then they have room 
for each year. Then, they bump existing kids, abuse medical redshirt rules, and 
anything else they need to do, to get down to the 85 limit. 

Pretty unsavory stuff, and a huge advantage over Big 10 teams that are (as I 
understand) restricted by the conference on the number of players they can sign 
to a number directly related to the number of open slots. 

Tom
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Thu Jan 13 12:47:22 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Thu Jan 13 12:47:39 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
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References: <796A6EDE873D4DF9AF46903AE7AB0F63@DennisMachine>
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On 1/13/2011 12:15 PM, Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
>> The article was pretty vague in its summary of the "rule," which is 
>> really just an extra bureaucratic step, and it led to an incorrect 
>> assumption on your part.
>>
>> It's not harming our recruiting in any real way, nor does it make our 
>> football or basketball teams lose games they ought to win. All it 
>> does is make sure we don't flunk Compliance 101. That's far more 
>> important to me than anything else.
>
> So you are saying that before Joe Paterno enters the house of any 
> potential recruit that that kid must have applied for entrance into 
> Penn State first? Than any blue-chip kid pursued by a dozen 
> universities has to first apply to all the schools who want to visit 
> him?  I find that hard to believe. Neither do I believe that trying to 
> sell your school to a kid is, by definition, an unsavory act or 
> automatically is equated to the previously mentioned alleged practices 
> of SEC schools.

I don't recall mentioning Joe Paterno at all in my message above, nor 
claiming anything else that you are talking about. But if you wish to 
pretend that the "rule" is something that it isn't, based on a vague 
reference in a newspaper article by a reporter who surely does not have 
all the facts, that is your privilege.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Jan 13 13:10:29 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Jan 13 13:10:31 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
In-Reply-To: <4D2F48BA.3090404@northwestern.edu> from "Eric West" at Jan 13,
	2011 12:47:22 PM
Message-ID: <201101131910.p0DJATIN031581@romaine.tssi.com>

There are NCAA recruiting visit restrictions that apply only to
the head coach (and a head-coach-in-waiting, at least until the NCAA
repeals that interpretation.)

I wonder if that's what the Trib was referring to?  
--
Mike Nolan

From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan 13 14:06:24 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan 13 14:06:27 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
References: <796A6EDE873D4DF9AF46903AE7AB0F63@DennisMachine><4D2F158D.90906@northwestern.edu><5C02EFEF85F64CC69574943F2A638547@DennisMachine>
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Eric West wrote:
> I don't recall mentioning Joe Paterno at all in my message above, nor 
> claiming anything else that you are talking about. But if you wish to 
> pretend that the "rule" is something that it isn't, based on a vague 
> reference in a newspaper article by a reporter who surely does not have 
> all the facts, that is your privilege.

Whether or not the reporter who wrote that article has "all the facts," I 
don't believe any of us can say at this point.  I questioned the article's 
statement that Big Ten coaches can only make "official recruiting visits to 
prospects who have either been admitted or on track to be admitted to 
school."  I did not "pretend that the 'rule' is something that it isn't" 
since, had I drawn any conclusion "based on a vague reference in a newspaper 
article," it would have been that the rule DOES exist because that is what 
the article implies.  "I doubt" is an expression of skepticism, not a 
conclusion.  I then used Joe Paterno as an illustration of a circumstance 
applicable to all Big Ten coaches (and perhaps other conferences).

Hopefully this clarifies it for you, Eric.

I doubt that such any rule exists that denies all pre-application contact 
between a university sports program and prospective players.  Mike Nolan's 
comment that the rule may apply "only to the head coach" makes the most 
sense so far.  Perhaps someone will cite the regulation.

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 13 14:15:54 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Jan 13 14:15:57 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
In-Reply-To: <7DF6DA7E8CBE4013B9327E009A8D2792@DennisMachine>
References: <796A6EDE873D4DF9AF46903AE7AB0F63@DennisMachine><4D2F158D.90906@northwestern.edu><5C02EFEF85F64CC69574943F2A638547@DennisMachine>
	<4D2F48BA.3090404@northwestern.edu>
	<7DF6DA7E8CBE4013B9327E009A8D2792@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <985999.66354.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"I questioned the article's statement that Big Ten coaches can only  make 
"official recruiting visits to prospects who have either been admitted or  on 
track to be admitted to school."  

Read the article again--it's an NU rule, not a Big Ten rule. And note that it's 
not "pre-application", it's post-application (i.e. after student has been 
admitted or is in that process). Whether it is for budgetary reasons or 
compliance reasons, I have no idea. I presume Fitz's concern is that limiting 
his contact during that period may leave recruits more open to poaching by other 

teams.

Speaking of Greenstein, he had a nice jab at an old friend of ours on Twitter. 
Lindsey Willhite joked to TD that:

"I cut your byline out on the Fitz story and pasted my name in. That cool?"

To which TG responded:

How Mariotti made a living! 

Tom

From e-west at northwestern.edu  Thu Jan 13 15:06:27 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Thu Jan 13 15:06:56 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
In-Reply-To: <7DF6DA7E8CBE4013B9327E009A8D2792@DennisMachine>
References: <796A6EDE873D4DF9AF46903AE7AB0F63@DennisMachine><4D2F158D.90906@northwestern.edu><5C02EFEF85F64CC69574943F2A638547@DennisMachine>	<4D2F48BA.3090404@northwestern.edu>
	<7DF6DA7E8CBE4013B9327E009A8D2792@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <4D2F6953.3040909@northwestern.edu>

On 1/13/2011 2:06 PM, Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
>
> Whether or not the reporter who wrote that article has "all the 
> facts," I don't believe any of us can say at this point.

We can, actually. Even if I hadn't worked in the admission office for 
four years, I would know with certainty that there is no way they would 
have discussed admission or recruiting standards/procedures with Teddy 
Greenstein or anyone else. I feel almost as sure that nobody in the AD's 
compliance office would have either. At best, his vague reference may 
have come from something someone on the football staff may have 
mentioned to him -- and that person (by design) wouldn't have all the 
facts, even if it were Pat Fitzgerald himself.

There was no "I doubt" in the initial message, but there was certainly 
an implication that our administration has "flunked" something. I have 
all confidence in the Office of Undergraduate Admission and the 
compliance arm of the Athletic Department regarding recruitment issues, 
and nothing I read in that article justifies that kind of criticism.

Beyond that, anyone is free to "believe" what they like. I don't have 
*all* the facts either, but I can still offer the ones that I do have.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Jan 14 09:33:40 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri Jan 14 09:35:15 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] re: leaders/legends
In-Reply-To: <369045644-1294793329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-19945019-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <369045644-1294793329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-19945019-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30EDB3318@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2011/01/13/big-ten-to-keep-divison-names/



From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 14 14:09:11 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Jan 14 14:09:16 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] re: leaders/legends
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30EDB3318@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <263510.48392.qm@web121709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Doh! So much for "listening to the public."

Even Coca-Cola cut their losses and gave up on New Coke, but Delaney and Co. seem to be bullheaded enough to try and force their idiotic decision to work.

Too bad, because when we should be focusing on what should be some great in-league matchups next year, we'll just be snickering (and be laughed at by the rest of the nation) at the silly division names.

You could do something similar to "Who's On First" ...

"JoePa's a legend!"
"No, he's a leader!"
"He's leading the legends?"
"No, he's a legend in the leaders!"
"And he's a co-leader of the leaders."
"But if Tressel were a legend, he'd be ahead of the leaders."

etc. etc. etc.

Ugh.

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> From: Weinbaum, Willie <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] re: leaders/legends
> To: "nwu-sports@tssi.com" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Date: Friday, January 14, 2011, 8:33 AM
> http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2011/01/13/big-ten-to-keep-divison-names/
> 
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From herms at hotmail.com  Fri Jan 14 14:20:00 2011
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Fri Jan 14 14:20:26 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] interesting study on attendance factors
In-Reply-To: <263510.48392.qm@web121709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30EDB3318@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>,
	<263510.48392.qm@web121709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SNT104-W5160D1C33CD39715558EF4AEF30@phx.gbl>


http://winthropintelligence.com/the-winthrop-digest-volume-9/
There's nothing in there that we didn't already suspect, regarding our struggle to draw fans to Ryan Field, but it puts some data and statistics behind our anecdotal theories.  Perhaps our athletic department can put some of this information to use.

Some relevant (to NU) bullet points:
Teams that were coming off winning seasons ? regardless of whether or not they maintained their winning ways ? actually sold more tickets (89.03% of capacity) than their winning predecessors. 

Undergraduate population does matter. ... Smaller schools did considerably worse; schools ... with less than 10,000 yielded 77% capacity returns, despite winning 57% of their games. These small schools (bellow 10,000) also were generally in large metropolitan areas. 

Large City population and the presence of pro teams hurt attendance. ... Colleges in cities (1 to 4 million people) attracted less than 40,000 fans to their games, only 75% attendance ? below the NCAA average. One factor is the presence of other outlets for sports fans in these cities ? i.e. Big Four sports teams. Colleges who did not have to compete with Big Four teams filled their stadiums to 83% of capacity, regardless of winning percentage. Teams that did? Just 74%.

Private schools have a harder time drawing. Even though private schools, on average, have slightly better football teams than public schools (a Wpct difference of +1%), public schools draw 5,000 more fans on average per game (80.5% vs. 76.5% capacity).


 		 	   		  
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Jan 14 15:39:04 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Jan 14 15:39:06 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] re: leaders/legends
In-Reply-To: <263510.48392.qm@web121709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> from "SjT
	\(Stephen J. Truog\)" at Jan 14, 2011 12:09:11 PM
Message-ID: <201101142139.p0ELd5Ml003888@romaine.tssi.com>

> Even Coca-Cola cut their losses and gave up on New Coke, but Delaney and Co. seem to be bullheaded enough to try and force their idiotic decision to work.

You know, it's been nearly 26 years since 'New Coke', and people are still talking about it.  The
only other ad campaign I can think of that achieved that much 'buzz' was the Apple 1984 commercial.
(Which, incidentally, Apple paid to run just once, though I've probably seen the entire ad 50 times
and portions of it many more times than that.)  

Most Coke Super Bowl commercials are forgotten quickly, with the exception of Mean Joe Green.
("I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing" was not a Super Bowl ad, it started running in July of 1971.)

In other words, maybe it wasn't such a bad idea after all!  I know the marketing profs like
to talk it up as a big failure, but some strategic planning professors have a different
view of it.  (One theory is that it allowed Coke to renegotiate a number of key franchise
arrangements, since 'Classic Coke' was a different product legally.)

I've also been told that Diet Coke has the 'New Coke' flavor, which may explain why I prefer
the taste of Coke Zero.  Oddly enough, these days I prefer the taste of Coke Zero over
the taste of Coke Classic aka 'real' Coke.  

None of that plays on the inanity of Legends and Leaders, but maybe talking about the Big
Ten, even somewhat derisively, is better than everybody talking only about the SEC.
--
Mike Nolan

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Jan 14 16:45:34 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Jan 14 16:45:46 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] re: leaders/legends
In-Reply-To: <201101142139.p0ELd5Ml003888@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <263510.48392.qm@web121709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> from "SjT\(Stephen
	J. Truog\)" at Jan 14,
	2011 12:09:11 PM <201101142139.p0ELd5Ml003888@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA06613B5C@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I agree.

Ultimately, the names don't matter.  All that matters is the level of
competition on the field. If the BT has a great playoff game next year,
nobody will care what the name of the winning division is.

For that matter, the same applies to the BCS.  The drip drip drip of
minor bowl games was hard to take, but the premiere games and the
championship were all good TV.  If that is the bottom line by which you
measure BCS success, I have to say that this was a successful year for
the system.

Jeff




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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 4:39 PM
To: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)"
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] re: leaders/legends

> Even Coca-Cola cut their losses and gave up on New Coke, but Delaney
and Co. seem to be bullheaded enough to try and force their idiotic
decision to work.

You know, it's been nearly 26 years since 'New Coke', and people are
still talking about it.  The
only other ad campaign I can think of that achieved that much 'buzz' was
the Apple 1984 commercial.
(Which, incidentally, Apple paid to run just once, though I've probably
seen the entire ad 50 times
and portions of it many more times than that.)  

Most Coke Super Bowl commercials are forgotten quickly, with the
exception of Mean Joe Green.
("I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing" was not a Super Bowl ad, it
started running in July of 1971.)

In other words, maybe it wasn't such a bad idea after all!  I know the
marketing profs like
to talk it up as a big failure, but some strategic planning professors
have a different
view of it.  (One theory is that it allowed Coke to renegotiate a number
of key franchise
arrangements, since 'Classic Coke' was a different product legally.)

I've also been told that Diet Coke has the 'New Coke' flavor, which may
explain why I prefer
the taste of Coke Zero.  Oddly enough, these days I prefer the taste of
Coke Zero over
the taste of Coke Classic aka 'real' Coke.  

None of that plays on the inanity of Legends and Leaders, but maybe
talking about the Big
Ten, even somewhat derisively, is better than everybody talking only
about the SEC.
--
Mike Nolan

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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 15 08:40:11 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Jan 15 08:40:16 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] re: leaders/legends
In-Reply-To: <201101142139.p0ELd5Ml003888@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <201101142139.p0ELd5Ml003888@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <335354.80112.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've heard that the New Coke "experiment" was actually a planned failure. 

I don't care/ can't prove it but here's what I heard: The Coca Cola company 
wanted to switch from using real sugar to high fructose corn syrup to save money 
but the taste was different. To avoid losing too many customers to Pepsi they 
needed to purge the current supply of the good stuff. They ran New Coke for 
about 6 months and when the last few bottles of Coke with real sugar were 
consumed (by SjTs crying younger brother - trust me) they "suddenly realized" 
the mistake and came back to Coca Cola Classic with HFCS. America has been more 
obese ever since. 

Agreed, better that SEC.

Jim




----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
Cc: "nwu-sports@tssi.com" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 4:39:04 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] re: leaders/legends

> Even Coca-Cola cut their losses and gave up on New Coke, but Delaney and Co. 
>seem to be bullheaded enough to try and force their idiotic decision to work.

You know, it's been nearly 26 years since 'New Coke', and people are still 
talking about it.  The
only other ad campaign I can think of that achieved that much 'buzz' was the 
Apple 1984 commercial.
(Which, incidentally, Apple paid to run just once, though I've probably seen the 
entire ad 50 times
and portions of it many more times than that.)  

Most Coke Super Bowl commercials are forgotten quickly, with the exception of 
Mean Joe Green.
("I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing" was not a Super Bowl ad, it started 
running in July of 1971.)

In other words, maybe it wasn't such a bad idea after all!  I know the marketing 
profs like
to talk it up as a big failure, but some strategic planning professors have a 
different
view of it.  (One theory is that it allowed Coke to renegotiate a number of key 
franchise
arrangements, since 'Classic Coke' was a different product legally.)

I've also been told that Diet Coke has the 'New Coke' flavor, which may explain 
why I prefer
the taste of Coke Zero.  Oddly enough, these days I prefer the taste of Coke 
Zero over
the taste of Coke Classic aka 'real' Coke.  

None of that plays on the inanity of Legends and Leaders, but maybe talking 
about the Big
Ten, even somewhat derisively, is better than everybody talking only about the 
SEC.
--
Mike Nolan

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 15 12:55:18 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Jan 15 12:55:40 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] We're leading MSU at halftime
Message-ID: <2318171.1295117718930.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

23-18 at the break, in an ugly game. It was really, really ugly at the beginning,as it took us about seven minutes to even get our first basket. Fortunately, the Spartans haven't been on their game at all, so we lead at the half.

A road win today would be huge for us. Go Cats!

Jim B.

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 15 14:03:39 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Jan 15 14:04:02 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] NU, MSU in OT
Message-ID: <30530632.1295121819789.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

60-60. Remarkable in that Shurna has only scored 4 points.

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 15 14:19:46 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Jan 15 14:20:09 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] would've, could've, should've
Message-ID: <13906390.1295122787083.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

We lost, 71-67. We had our chances, but again, we weren't ready for the big time. Down by two with 45 seconds to go, we had the ball, and we never even got off a shot before the 35-second clock ran out. A lot better than our sad performamance at Illinois, but still a very disappointing loss.

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sat Jan 15 14:10:38 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Sat Jan 15 14:26:55 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] re: leaders/legends
In-Reply-To: <335354.80112.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <201101142139.p0ELd5Ml003888@romaine.tssi.com>
	<335354.80112.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikc5XujmZCiwzSFo+wKzd883aMXZZzCddwhDBNN@mail.gmail.com>

Interestingly, Coke has started to market Mexican Coke in the US - it can be
found at Costco as well as several major grocery chains - which has always
been much sweeter than Coke Classic, more closely resembling New Coke.
According to some folks at my local Costco, it has become a big seller for
them, much to their surprise.
Mark

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I've heard that the New Coke "experiment" was actually a planned failure.
>
> I don't care/ can't prove it but here's what I heard: The Coca Cola company
> wanted to switch from using real sugar to high fructose corn syrup to save
> money
> but the taste was different. To avoid losing too many customers to Pepsi
> they
> needed to purge the current supply of the good stuff. They ran New Coke for
> about 6 months and when the last few bottles of Coke with real sugar were
> consumed (by SjTs crying younger brother - trust me) they "suddenly
> realized"
> the mistake and came back to Coca Cola Classic with HFCS. America has been
> more
> obese ever since.
>
> Agreed, better that SEC.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
> To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "nwu-sports@tssi.com" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Fri, January 14, 2011 4:39:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] re: leaders/legends
>
> > Even Coca-Cola cut their losses and gave up on New Coke, but Delaney and
> Co.
> >seem to be bullheaded enough to try and force their idiotic decision to
> work.
>
> You know, it's been nearly 26 years since 'New Coke', and people are still
> talking about it.  The
> only other ad campaign I can think of that achieved that much 'buzz' was
> the
> Apple 1984 commercial.
> (Which, incidentally, Apple paid to run just once, though I've probably
> seen the
> entire ad 50 times
> and portions of it many more times than that.)
>
> Most Coke Super Bowl commercials are forgotten quickly, with the exception
> of
> Mean Joe Green.
> ("I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing" was not a Super Bowl ad, it started
> running in July of 1971.)
>
> In other words, maybe it wasn't such a bad idea after all!  I know the
> marketing
> profs like
> to talk it up as a big failure, but some strategic planning professors have
> a
> different
> view of it.  (One theory is that it allowed Coke to renegotiate a number of
> key
> franchise
> arrangements, since 'Classic Coke' was a different product legally.)
>
> I've also been told that Diet Coke has the 'New Coke' flavor, which may
> explain
> why I prefer
> the taste of Coke Zero.  Oddly enough, these days I prefer the taste of
> Coke
> Zero over
> the taste of Coke Classic aka 'real' Coke.
>
> None of that plays on the inanity of Legends and Leaders, but maybe talking
> about the Big
> Ten, even somewhat derisively, is better than everybody talking only about
> the
> SEC.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Jan 18 20:38:27 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue Jan 18 20:40:09 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna's back!
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E7EC5A3@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

19 pts for Shurna as Cats lead 34-22 w/5:42 left in the half.  And assertive Mirkovic, Curletti and Capocci play.

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Jan 18 20:51:15 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue Jan 18 20:52:33 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Shurna's back!
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E7EC5A3@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E7EC5A3@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30EDB4247@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

NU leads Michigan 44-31 @ 1/2, Shurna with TWENTY-TWO points!

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 9:38 PM
To: 'nwu-sports@tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna's back!

19 pts for Shurna as Cats lead 34-22 w/5:42 left in the half.  And assertive Mirkovic, Curletti and Capocci play.

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 18 21:38:49 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan 18 21:38:54 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Par for the course ...
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30EDB4247@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <160395.55845.qm@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Good to see the Cats crushing the Wolverines tonight on the Big Ten Network.

It's important because it keeps us "par for the course" in the league. Our losses have been to the ranked "big names" and the wins have been over teams we SHOULD beat.

Nothing wrong with "par for the course" - remember that this was the primary reason Joe Tiller made such a run at Purdue. He never lost to a team the Boilers SHOULD have beaten in that run. He never beat the big boys until late in their run, but winning the "gottawin" games is a big first step towards building a winner.

The bad news is that the Big Ten has a lot of ranked "big boys" this year and we have Wisky and Minny next. It'd be nice to get a win against one of those ranked teams to help our case.

The good news is that midway through the season, it looks like we got a pretty nice schedule by playing OSU and Purdoo - the league's top two teams at this point - only once. But we need an upset or two.

The biggest stretch of our season, however, is in February when we play five of those "gottawins" in a row. We absolutely MUST beat Michigan, Iowa and Indiana again and sweep our personal nemesis from Happy Valley to have any realistic dreams of March. Gotta win the gottawins.

But for tonight, a nice and enjoyable win. Good to see us not just winning these winnable games with IU, Iowa and Michigan, but winning them handily. It shows we're not losing focus on the non-ranked games and we'll need that for that big five-game stretch in February.

GO CATS!!! Close out this one and then get ready for the first half of the border war Sunday by beating the Badgers. Mmmmm, cheese! :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT



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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 18 21:40:42 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan 18 21:40:45 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] PS ...
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30EDB4247@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Oh yeah, and win Thursday before beating the Badgers! :)

BTW, this Michigan team we're whupping up on is no slouch. They lost to the current #1-2-3 teams (OSU, KU and Syracuse) by an average of 3.5 points!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 18 21:45:59 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan 18 21:46:02 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] PPS ...
Message-ID: <384985.60510.qm@web121710.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Make that 4.5 or so points

- I'm not a math major :)

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 23:01:30 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue Jan 18 23:02:18 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats, 74-60
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=UFuhjRWHMynq3W6Xk9WMubOYG-h_kZ6a2n_yK@mail.gmail.com>

Fellow listers,

In my 35 years of following Northwestern basketball, I can't recall an
easier victory over the Wolverines. Up 20 in the second half? 20! Against
Michigan? Was my mind playing tricks on me?

(And, frankly, even understandably, we played a pretty sloppy last 10
minutes.)

Go Wildcats!

Alan
From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 18 23:10:02 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Tue Jan 18 23:10:08 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Par for the course ...
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Shon Morris summarized it best on the BTN broadcast tonight.? This was our first 
win against a Top 100 team, but we don't have any bad losses this year.

But winning the "gotta wins" won't be enough.? I would guess that we'll need 
seven more wins to have a good shot at the tournament.? Michigan, Iowa, Penn 
State, and Indiana only give us 5 (and Penn State sure isn't?a gimme).? So, we 
need to find 2 more, out of the 5 against Minnesota, the Badgers,and Illini.

Not out of the question, but it will be tough.? A win on Sunday would be a great 
start.


________________________________
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: "nwu-sports@tssi.com" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 9:38:49 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Par for the course ...

Good to see the Cats crushing the Wolverines tonight on the Big Ten Network.

It's important because it keeps us "par for the course" in the league. Our 
losses have been to the ranked "big names" and the wins have been over teams we 
SHOULD beat.

Nothing wrong with "par for the course" - remember that this was the primary 
reason Joe Tiller made such a run at Purdue. He never lost to a team the Boilers 
SHOULD have beaten in that run. He never beat the big boys until late in their 
run, but winning the "gottawin" games is a big first step towards building a 
winner.

The bad news is that the Big Ten has a lot of ranked "big boys" this year and we 
have Wisky and Minny next. It'd be nice to get a win against one of those ranked 
teams to help our case.

The good news is that midway through the season, it looks like we got a pretty 
nice schedule by playing OSU and Purdoo - the league's top two teams at this 
point - only once. But we need an upset or two.

The biggest stretch of our season, however, is in February when we play five of 
those "gottawins" in a row. We absolutely MUST beat Michigan, Iowa and Indiana 
again and sweep our personal nemesis from Happy Valley to have any realistic 
dreams of March. Gotta win the gottawins.

But for tonight, a nice and enjoyable win. Good to see us not just winning these 
winnable games with IU, Iowa and Michigan, but winning them handily. It shows 
we're not losing focus on the non-ranked games and we'll need that for that big 
five-game stretch in February.

GO CATS!!! Close out this one and then get ready for the first half of the 
border war Sunday by beating the Badgers. Mmmmm, cheese! :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT



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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 18 23:41:10 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan 18 23:41:18 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Bowl Pool standings
Message-ID: <18855.42841.qm@web121707.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I know it took a long time ... but it seems short compared to the interminable bowl season this year. And I'm sorry, but the glut of meaningless games this year honestly put me to sleep, as did the slopfest of a title game. Only the Rose Bowl (bless its soul) was worthy of the buildup.

Thankfully, the NFL playoffs came along with upsets (sadly for my Saints), emotional rivalries, great games and stadiums with seats filled by excited fans! No longer can college claim to have the excitement edge over the NFL - thanks again for that, B(C)S.

But anyway, on to the final standings ...

* CONGRATULATIONS to Carl Rossi, who finished 16-4 to cruise to the bowl pool title over Ray Stahl and Ivars Embrekts, who each had 14-6 marks.

Carl only missed the title game, PSU's loss and two games just about everyone missed - the Washington win over UNL and UCF's upset of Georgia.

Congrats again Carl and if anyone thinks they did better than 16-4, e-mail me and I'll double check the picks, but I don't think anyone beat Carl.

So below is the updated hall of fame - thanks for another fun and enjoyable season. College football is a great game with an amazing regular season (one of the reasons I'm so angry at the B(C)S for bringing such a great thing to a crushing thud every year) - but these annual picks make it even better. Hope to see you all back next August!

GO CATS!!!
-Stephen

##################################
## PIGSKIN PICKS - HALL OF FAME ##
##################################

MATT HARTL "OVERALL EXCELLENCE" AWARD
Overall Pigskin Picks Champion
########################################
> 1997 - Eric J. Steffe
> 1998 - Carl Pilger
> 1999 - Eric J. Steffe
> 2000 - Bill Praast
> 2001 - Harlan Heiber
> 2002 - Chuck Herron
> 2003 - Chuck Herron
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson
> 2006 - Marilyn Zilka
> 2007 - Marilyn Zilka
> 2008 ? Marilyn Zilka
> 2009 ? Bruce Taylor
> 2010 ? Chuck Herron and Eric J. Steffe

ROB JOHNSON "IRONMAN" AWARD
Best record of those who have competed every week
####################################################
> 1997 - Eric J. Steffe (135-40)
> 1998 - Trey McAdams (120-40)
> 1999 - Bruce Taylor (111-39)
> 2000 - Steve Kandelman and Bruce Taylor (109-44)
> 2001 - Trey McAdams (107-43)
> 2002 - Chuck Herron (132-48)
> 2003 - Chuck Herron (130-40)
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka (129-36)
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson (112-38)
> 2006 - Chuck Herron (113-37)
> 2007 - Stephen Truog (110-45)
> 2008 ? Stephen Truog (123-42)
> 2009 ? Bruce Taylor (119-36)
> 2010 ? Chuck Herron and Eric J. Steffe (119-36)

STEVE SCHNUR "ACCURACY" AWARD
Highest percentage - min. 5 weeks
######################################
> 1997 - Eric J. Steffe (.771)
> 1998 - Carl Pilger (.792)
> 1999 - Eric J. Steffe (.756)
> 2000 - Bill Praast (.714)
> 2001 - Harlan Heiber (.744)
> 2002 - Greg Kane (.738)
> 2003 - Chuck Herron (.765)
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka (.782)
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson (.747)
> 2006 - Marilyn Zilka (.764)
> 2007 - Marilyn Zilka (.719)
> 2008 ? Marilyn Zilka (.800)
> 2009 ? Bruce Taylor (.768)
> 2010 ? Chuck Herron and Eric J. Steffe (.768)

PAT FITZGERALD "MOST HITS" AWARD
Most correct picks overall
####################################
> 1997 - NA
> 1998 - Trey McAdams (120)
> 1999 - Bruce Taylor (111)
> 2000 - Steve Kandelman and Bruce Taylor (109)
> 2001 - Trey McAdams (107)
> 2002 - Chuck Herron (132)
> 2003 - Chuck Herron (130)
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka (129)
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson (112)
> 2006 - Chuck Herron (113)
> 2007 - Stephen Truog (110)
> 2008 ? Stephen Truog (123)
> 2009 ? Bruce Taylor (119)
> 2010 ? Chuck Herron and Eric J. Steffe (119)

BRIAN MUSSO "GUTSY" AWARD
Most upset special picks
############################
> 1997 - NA
> 1998 - Kelly Sevilla (10)
> 1999 - Jim Bendat (12)
> 2000 - Jim Bendat and Kelly Sevilla (13)
> 2001 - Jim Bendat (15)
> 2002 - Jim Bendat (18)
> 2003 - Bill O'Connor (14)
> 2004 - Carl Rossi (10)
> 2005 - Ace McInturff (14)
> 2006 - Ace McInturff (10)
> 2007 - Sam Wolfson (16)
> 2008 ? John Hodges and Ace McInturff (8)
> 2009 ? Ace McInturff (11)
> 2010 ? Jim Bendat (11)

D'WAYNE BATES "BOWL MVP" AWARD
Best performance in the postseason (bowl pool)
##############################################
> 1997 - Mark Loach (20-1)
> 1998 - Jeff Larson (18-4)
> 1999 - Roger Bradshaw (15-8)
> 2000 - Carl Rossi (18-6)
> 2001 - Kenn Ruby (19-6)
> 2002 - Ty Levine (18-10)
> 2003 - Ryan Farney (19-8)
> 2004 - Ace McInturff and Ivars Embrekts (19-8)
> 2005 - Bob Waldele (19-8)
> 2006 - Mark Ament and Neil Kaplan (15-5)
> 2007 - Trey McAdams, Bob Waldele and Marilyn Zilka (15-5)
> 2008 - Ray Stahl (13-7)
> 2009 ? Bob Waldele and Alan Wolfson (16-4)
> 2010 - Carl Rossi (16-4)



* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================



      

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Jan 19 16:21:45 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed Jan 19 16:23:31 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: $$$ for Bielema & assistants 
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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/114179129.html


From mzilka at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 20 10:55:33 2011
From: mzilka at sbcglobal.net (Marilyn J Zilka)
Date: Thu Jan 20 10:55:37 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Daily Northwestern Article on Walk
Message-ID: <381030.72650.qm@web83503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>



http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/sports/in-focus-cats-reflect-on-coach-s-legacy-five-years-after-his-death-1.2434692
From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 20 19:42:30 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Thu Jan 20 19:42:35 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Daily Northwestern Article on Walk
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A Facebook friend of mine pointed out that it is impressive to look back and see 
how many of Walker's recruits graduated. I think they should have a poster in 
the locker room with pictures of both coaches that reads, "Fitz in Fall, Walk in 
June."

Victory & Honor,
Jim




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Sent: Thu, January 20, 2011 11:55:33 AM
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Jan 20 20:05:26 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu Jan 20 20:07:00 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats rest Shurna & roll over SIU-Edwardsville
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http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/northwestern-rolls-siu-edwardsville-98-55.html


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Jan 23 06:14:15 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun Jan 23 06:15:42 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa's rehab progress
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E7EC632@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.suntimescom/sports/3430296-419/story.html

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Jan 23 13:14:26 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan 23 13:14:58 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa's rehab progress--BEARS & JETS
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 To My List Friends:

First, just wanted to correct Willie's post (specifically the web link-)-try this:  


http://www.suntimes.com/sports/3430296-419/story.html

Next, about today's football games......

My two football passions are, of course, the 'Cats and the J-E-T-S--and both leave me every season with a "Wait Until Next Year" mantra--NU for bowl win, and Jets for Super Bowl win (or at least first appearance since 1969, when I was 16).  I was at Jets win over Oakland Raiders in 1968 AFL Championship Game at Shea Stadium, and would like to see them get back to Super Bowl NOW.  So today's game is going to be very intense and emotional for me--just like every 'Cat bowl appearance is.   I hope those of you who don't have rooting interest for Steelers (who already have 6 "rings") will pull for "Gang Green" today--just as I will root for "Da Bears", as most (but not all) of our List members will likewise be going for the "Monsters of the Midway" over the Pack.

Let's have a Jets-Bears Super Bowl matchup by 10 p.m. tonight!


Paul Levinson




 

 

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Sent: Sun, Jan 23, 2011 7:14 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa's rehab progress


http://www.suntimescom/sports/3430296-419/story.html

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

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From Martinitis at aol.com  Sun Jan 23 14:16:59 2011
From: Martinitis at aol.com (Martinitis@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan 23 14:17:05 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats out of the Dance
Message-ID: <2ab9b.4e57c4aa.3a6de6bb@aol.com>

I have forced myself to keep quiet most of this NU basketball season  
because I am nothing more than a casual BB fan other than NU ball.
 
But I saw this coming and even a novice like myself can see the truth  
about this team and I can no longer remain mute about it......Carmody must  Go. 
 
I have followed all the posts here throughout the team's ups and  downs, 
and have been in as much denial as anyone.  But that is what it  is.  Denial.
 
I realize he just got an extension. Gasp.
 But unless this is the best NU is prepared to be satisfied with,  enough 
is enough.  Not to say that this team won't rise up and tease  us again 
before the season's end.  But in the end, there will be no  invitation to the 
Dance.
 
This is as good as it gets. And not only because of today's 30  something 
embarassement. It's because  Carmody is just not good  enough. Not smart 
enough. And not wise enough (too egotiscal?) to manage/coach a  tournament team. 
Why? 
 
For starters, not finding a way to keep Coble in the fold.   THAT would 
have made us a Tourney Team.  That would have protected  Shurna when he was 
hurt.  That would have lessened the pressure loaded  upon our role players; and 
expecting them to match up with top quality Big  Ten player opposition.. 
That's what a Coach Ryan, or coach K would have  done.
 
When the chips are down (e.g. Mich State last week) he clearly gets out  
coached.  And if he is capable of producing anything but a competitive  team, 
how come this group of very talented players from last year's team  (except 
for Shurna and Thompson) keep slowly regressing. Especially Marcotulio  and 
Crawford; Neither is the player they were last year as true freshmen. 
 
I'm died in Purple too.  I'll keep rooting.  But my expectations  are 
hereby reduced to the subject line. 
It is too painful to watch anymore without crying. No more purple  koolaid.
 
Lou
 
From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Jan 23 14:30:25 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun Jan 23 14:31:42 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa's rehab progress--BEARS & JETS
In-Reply-To: <8CD8948E27CCC28-830-1ABC7@webmail-m090.sysops.aol.com>
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Hard to envision any of the football final four having as brutal and disheartening a day as the Cats did against Wisconsin at Welsh-Ryan. The thought that the blowout loss at Illinois was as bad as it could get proved to be wrong, given that this debacle was an NU home game. A chance for an important "statement" performance in the nation's only game today involving a ranked team turned into a wretched rout.

From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

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From: neonrye@aol.com <neonrye@aol.com>
To: Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sun Jan 23 14:14:26 2011
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Persa's rehab progress--BEARS & JETS

To My List Friends:

First, just wanted to correct Willie's post (specifically the web link-)-try this:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/3430296-419/story.html

Next, about today's football games......

My two football passions are, of course, the 'Cats and the J-E-T-S--and both leave me every season with a "Wait Until Next Year" mantra--NU for bowl win, and Jets for Super Bowl win (or at least first appearance since 1969, when I was 16).  I was at Jets win over Oakland Raiders in 1968 AFL Championship Game at Shea Stadium, and would like to see them get back to Super Bowl NOW.  So today's game is going to be very intense and emotional for me--just like every 'Cat bowl appearance is.   I hope those of you who don't have rooting interest for Steelers (who already have 6 "rings") will pull for "Gang Green" today--just as I will root for "Da Bears", as most (but not all) of our List members will likewise be going for the "Monsters of the Midway" over the Pack.

Let's have a Jets-Bears Super Bowl matchup by 10 p.m. tonight!


Paul Levinson




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Sent: Sun, Jan 23, 2011 7:14 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa's rehab progress


http://www.suntimescom/sports/3430296-419/story.html



>From Blackberry - please excuse typos



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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Jan 23 17:58:26 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Jan 23 17:58:28 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers
Message-ID: <201101232358.p0NNwQe2027978@romaine.tssi.com>

I'm still not sold on Cutler as a quality NFL quarterback, but the officiating
was so inconsistent for a while I thought I was watching a Big Ten game.

Oh well, at least it will give the Chicago papers something to grumble about 
until the Cubs are mathematically eliminated again.  

Go Steelers!
--
Mike Nolan

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Jan 23 19:27:23 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan 23 19:27:37 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers
Message-ID: <6311.39a30344.3a6e2f7b@aol.com>

The refs were fer shure cheeseheads, da bears was robbed, Please don't rub  
cubs salt in my wound.
From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 23 19:58:46 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Jan 23 19:59:09 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats out of the Dance
Message-ID: <1041072.1295834326170.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Lou's right - the Cats seem destined for the NIT - again. If the team turns it around and makes the NCAA tournament, I'll eat my humble pie very happily. But I'm not holding my breath. - Jim B.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Martinitis@aol.com
>Sent: Jan 23, 2011 12:16 PM
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats out of the Dance
>
>I have forced myself to keep quiet most of this NU basketball season  
>because I am nothing more than a casual BB fan other than NU ball.
> 
>But I saw this coming and even a novice like myself can see the truth  
>about this team and I can no longer remain mute about it......Carmody must  Go. 
> 
>I have followed all the posts here throughout the team's ups and  downs, 
>and have been in as much denial as anyone.  But that is what it  is.  Denial.
> 
>I realize he just got an extension. Gasp.
> But unless this is the best NU is prepared to be satisfied with,  enough 
>is enough.  Not to say that this team won't rise up and tease  us again 
>before the season's end.  But in the end, there will be no  invitation to the 
>Dance.
> 
>This is as good as it gets. And not only because of today's 30  something 
>embarassement. It's because  Carmody is just not good  enough. Not smart 
>enough. And not wise enough (too egotiscal?) to manage/coach a  tournament team. 
>Why? 
> 
>For starters, not finding a way to keep Coble in the fold.   THAT would 
>have made us a Tourney Team.  That would have protected  Shurna when he was 
>hurt.  That would have lessened the pressure loaded  upon our role players; and 
>expecting them to match up with top quality Big  Ten player opposition.. 
>That's what a Coach Ryan, or coach K would have  done.
> 
>When the chips are down (e.g. Mich State last week) he clearly gets out  
>coached.  And if he is capable of producing anything but a competitive  team, 
>how come this group of very talented players from last year's team  (except 
>for Shurna and Thompson) keep slowly regressing. Especially Marcotulio  and 
>Crawford; Neither is the player they were last year as true freshmen. 
> 
>I'm died in Purple too.  I'll keep rooting.  But my expectations  are 
>hereby reduced to the subject line. 
>It is too painful to watch anymore without crying. No more purple  koolaid.
> 
>Lou
> 
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 24 09:22:35 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Jan 24 09:22:50 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats out of the Dance
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I had the misfortune of being at the game on Sunday. We left with about 10 
minutes remaining in the 2nd half, which is probably my earliest departure ever 
from an NU sporting event (and that includes more than a few late-eighties 
football blowout losses). Partly it was because we had folks coming over to our 
house to watch the football game, but mostly it was because we couldn't stand to 
watch. 

I can take watching a lot of things, but a lack of rebounding effort is not one 
of them. I think it was one of the last possessions of the first half that 
Wisconsin grabbed two or three offensive rebounds on one possession. On one of 
them, NU was scrambling to follow the ball rotation, so I could live with that. 
On the second one, we had players in position but it appeared to me that all 
they did is watch the track of the ball, with no apparent effort to put a body 
on someone at the same time. To say that was disheartening is a massive 
understatement.

Things really got ugly in the 2nd half when NU decided to just start chucking up 
3 pointers as soon as they crossed the half court line. 

It was a real head-scratcher of a performance. Wisconsin plays extremely well on 
both ends of the court and has some very talented players. But this is not a 
team that dominates us athletically, so the blowout can only be attributed to a 
lack of effort in my opinion. 

I don't know if it seems worse than the Illinois game because it was worse, or 
just because between my wife and I and two friends, we probably paid $100 or 
$120 to witness it in person. Ugh.

At least the football games were entertaining.

Tom

From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan 24 10:24:19 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Jan 24 10:24:26 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats out of the Dance
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> All they did [against Wisconsin] is watch the track of the ball, with no 
> apparent effort to put a body
> on someone at the same time. To say that was disheartening is a massive
> understatement.

I do not agree that lack-of-effort was the issue.  Luka Mirkovic gets as 
much out of his skills as he can, but the Good Lord did not provide him with 
a deep well of physical ability.  We have no good big man and never have had 
one during Carmody's tenure.  But why make him unique?  Other than Evan 
Eschmeyer, Northwestern never has had a quality center.  Power forward Don 
Adams may be the best rebounder in NU history (and the longest tenured in 
the NBA albeit as a journeyman), but he graduated in 1970 and, at a "mere" 
6' 6", might not be as good today.

> It was a real head-scratcher of a performance. Wisconsin plays extremely 
> well on
> both ends of the court and has some very talented players. But this is not 
> a
> team that dominates us athletically, so the blowout can only be attributed 
> to a
> lack of effort in my opinion.

It's no head-scratcher.  We got licked by a much better team.  Their guards 
and forwards were also better than ours, although I think we can match up on 
the outside reasonably well with many teams.  But we are consistently last 
or close to it every year in Big Ten rebound stats, and put-backs are what 
other teams do to us.  If the three doesn't fall, we're screwed because we 
have no other offense to fall back on.

We're hearing calls for Carmody's ouster, and maybe that is valid.  However, 
I do not believe that Xs and Os are his problem - at least not his biggest 
issue - nor is it his choice of offensive scheme.  The fundamental problem 
is, as it always has been, the continuing absence of talented big men. 
While he has improved the guard and small forward play, until we get players 
who can hold their own on the boards and play interior defense, all we'll 
ever get is "wait 'til next year."  I've experienced 47 "next years," and 
I'm damned tired of it.

Is Carmody limited by the same rules that Fitz wants to eliminate?  If so, 
defecation-container them. 

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Jan 24 12:11:02 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Jan 24 12:13:16 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Gophers lose point guard
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Jan 24 13:13:53 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Jan 24 13:13:55 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers
In-Reply-To: <6311.39a30344.3a6e2f7b@aol.com> from "MHRJGScott@aol.com" at Jan
	23, 2011 08:27:23 PM
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> The refs were fer shure cheeseheads, da bears was robbed, 

Don't get me wrong, I don't think inept officiating cost the Bears the game,
I think inept play on the part of at least two of the QBs who played in
the game for the Bear was the major factor, and the Bears defense and 
special teams weren't able to pull off yet another miracle this season.

I think there were questionable calls and no-calls that affected 
both teams.  
--
Mike Nolan

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Jan 24 13:35:55 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Jan 24 13:36:17 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers
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References: <6311.39a30344.3a6e2f7b@aol.com> from "MHRJGScott@aol.com" at
	Jan23,
	2011 08:27:23 PM <201101241913.p0OJDrPA031422@romaine.tssi.com>
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Sun Times reporting that Cutler suffered a torn MCL sometime in the
second quarter.

That said, he played poorly before the injury too. 

I agree that this was not an issue of officiating.

It was an issue of the Bears offense failing to execute, and Martz being
outcoached by Capers.  BTW Martz reportedly apologized to a reporter for
his poor performance as he left the field.

Jeff 


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> The refs were fer shure cheeseheads, da bears was robbed, 

Don't get me wrong, I don't think inept officiating cost the Bears the
game,
I think inept play on the part of at least two of the QBs who played in
the game for the Bear was the major factor, and the Bears defense and 
special teams weren't able to pull off yet another miracle this season.

I think there were questionable calls and no-calls that affected 
both teams.  
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 13:46:46 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Mon Jan 24 13:47:35 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers
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That third-and-3 call on the final drive -- that lame reverse -- was
godawful.

But let's face it. The Packers are a better team. That's why Lovie went for
the killshot in Week 17, playing his starters, trying to take Green Bay out
then. He knew they were dangerous, and wanted them out. Couldn't do it then,
and couldn't do it yesterday.



On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com
> wrote:

> Sun Times reporting that Cutler suffered a torn MCL sometime in the
> second quarter.
>
> That said, he played poorly before the injury too.
>
> I agree that this was not an issue of officiating.
>
> It was an issue of the Bears offense failing to execute, and Martz being
> outcoached by Capers.  BTW Martz reportedly apologized to a reporter for
> his poor performance as he left the field.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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> To: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers
>
> > The refs were fer shure cheeseheads, da bears was robbed,
>
> Don't get me wrong, I don't think inept officiating cost the Bears the
> game,
> I think inept play on the part of at least two of the QBs who played in
> the game for the Bear was the major factor, and the Bears defense and
> special teams weren't able to pull off yet another miracle this season.
>
> I think there were questionable calls and no-calls that affected
> both teams.
> --
> Mike Nolan
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Jan 24 14:27:29 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Jan 24 14:28:27 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers
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I honestly think that the packers were ripe for the picking yesterday.  

 

The bears weren't even close to being ready to play.  Ultimately, the
blame for that has to fall to Lovie.

 

The D got themselves in a hole early and spent most of the rest of the
game defending a short field because of poor offense and special teams
play.  So giving up two scores in the first half, pitching a shutout in
the second half, and getting two turnovers was not a bad day.  If the
offense or special teams had been able to do anything to turn around
field position in the first half, there may have only been one GB score.


 

The offense was so bad, though, that the game was almost over at half
time.  The fact that the third string QB could make the fourth quarter
interesting was testimony to how bad the starting offense had played the
first three quarters.  

 

If we had seen only a glimmer of the sort of line play and special teams
that dominated Seattle, the bears could have won it on field goals 9-7.

 

Now instead of an interesting Super Bowl, the pack will get ground into
dust by the steelers' running game.  Big ben's uni likely won't even get
dirty.

 

Jeff

 

 

From: Alan Abrahamson [mailto:alan.abrahamson@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:47 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers

 

That third-and-3 call on the final drive -- that lame reverse -- was
godawful.

 

But let's face it. The Packers are a better team. That's why Lovie went
for the killshot in Week 17, playing his starters, trying to take Green
Bay out then. He knew they were dangerous, and wanted them out. Couldn't
do it then, and couldn't do it yesterday.

 

 

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com> wrote:

Sun Times reporting that Cutler suffered a torn MCL sometime in the
second quarter.

That said, he played poorly before the injury too.

I agree that this was not an issue of officiating.

It was an issue of the Bears offense failing to execute, and Martz being
outcoached by Capers.  BTW Martz reportedly apologized to a reporter for
his poor performance as he left the field.

Jeff


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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers

> The refs were fer shure cheeseheads, da bears was robbed,

Don't get me wrong, I don't think inept officiating cost the Bears the
game,
I think inept play on the part of at least two of the QBs who played in
the game for the Bear was the major factor, and the Bears defense and
special teams weren't able to pull off yet another miracle this season.

I think there were questionable calls and no-calls that affected
both teams.
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Jan 24 16:18:50 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Jan 24 16:18:52 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers
In-Reply-To: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA0672697C@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	from "Beamsley, Jeff" at Jan 24, 2011 03:27:29 PM
Message-ID: <201101242218.p0OMIonI032027@romaine.tssi.com>

> The offense was so bad, though, that the game was almost over at half
> time.  

I thought it was pretty much over at the end of the first quarter.

> If we had seen only a glimmer of the sort of line play and special teams
> that dominated Seattle, the bears could have won it on field goals 9-7.

Curious that the Bears punted twice rather than try two long field goal
attempts.  I wonder if the field was in such poor shape that they were
reluctant to even try them?  There were sure enough players having trouble 
with their footing.  

Frustrating that all three of the teams (two college, one pro) I follow closely 
had disappointing end-of-the-season games, all due to problems with their starting QB.
 
> Now instead of an interesting Super Bowl, the pack will get ground into
> dust by the steelers' running game.  Big ben's uni likely won't even get
> dirty.

I"m not so sure, though that's how I'd expect it to go, too.  But
the Steelers looked beatable in the 2nd half yesterday and Green
Bay has been a dangerous team this season.  

Two smaller market teams in the Super Bowl instead of Chicago or
New York, I wonder if that will affect ratings?  My wife just
watches it for the commercials anyway.  
--
Mike Nolan

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 24 16:45:07 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan 24 16:45:10 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers
In-Reply-To: <201101242218.p0OMIonI032027@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <382525.55196.qm@web121709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

> Two smaller market teams in the Super Bowl instead of
> Chicago or
> New York, I wonder if that will affect ratings?? My

Given the Steelers' and Packers' vast national followings, probably not much.

And remember that last year's small-market Super Bowl between New Orleans and Indianapolis shattered ratings records ... as did the small-market NFC title game between the Saints and Vikes the week before.

Which is something Major League Baseball and the NBA need to look at -- in an era where the World Series, NBA games and even flavor-of-the-decade NASCAR are losing viewers, the NFL is soaring on the strength of SMALL market teams like New Orleans, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Indy, Kansas City, etc.

Sure, you get the occasional New York - Boston Super Bowl (and it was a great game!), but the small market teams have a fair shot to get there as well, so their fans are interested in the sport overall and the NFL is truly a national game. By contrast, baseball only matters now on the coasts in NY/Bos/Phi and LA/SF and basketball seems headed that way. I have no idea why fans of the Indians, Brewers, Twins, Pirates, Royals, etc. even bother buying tickets - they're out of it before opening day and any decent players they have will be bought up by the Yanks or Sawwwx.

But yeah, I expect this year's Super Bowl to be a tough ticket and a ratings bonanza. Two storied franchises, compelling players - should be a great game.

Of course, I preferred last year's game. :(
Good to see another NU alum in the big game, though.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan 24 16:50:00 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan 24 16:50:07 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers
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Is there one more big football game left?

Besides Vegas and the Sportwriters does anyone care? (I guess Trai has a shot at another
big ring - will look good on the sidelines during next year's bye for the Steelers, and
having Big Ben there too might help some of the recruiting.)

I'm already looking forward to baseball AND NU Women's Lacrosse.!

(altho signing day is of increased interest this year)

Go Cats

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Two smaller market teams in the Super Bowl instead of Chicago or
New York, I wonder if that will affect ratings?  My wife just
watches it for the commercials anyway.  
--
Mike Nolan



From e-west at northwestern.edu  Mon Jan 24 16:51:51 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Mon Jan 24 16:52:05 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers
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On 1/24/2011 4:45 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
> ...in an era where the World Series, NBA games and even flavor-of-the-decade NASCAR are losing viewers, the NFL is soaring on the strength of...

...two words: fantasy football.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 24 20:09:32 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan 24 20:09:38 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers
In-Reply-To: <001f01cbbc19$0b6035d0$2220a170$@com>
Message-ID: <288454.8376.qm@web121709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

> Is there one more big football game
> left?

Yes there is ... you see, unlike college football, which prefers to end its exciting season with a onslaught of meaningless games in front of half-empty stadiums or a so-called title game played after three months of layoff time with half sleepy teams, the NFL has this thing called a playoff.

It's really quite fun - packed houses, tense games, fans who are excited to be there and millions of people watching as it builds on a fun regular season. Sure, the best team may not always win (though it doesn't in college either), but you get these games that mean more and more each week until a championship game where they actually (gasp) settle things on the field!

:)

GO CATS!!!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
==========================


      

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Mon Jan 24 20:25:16 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Mon Jan 24 20:25:49 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears/Packers
In-Reply-To: <288454.8376.qm@web121709.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Remind me, again, Stephen - how does the Rose Bowl, and the tradition of
matching the Pac-10 and Big Ten, fit in to that concept of settling things
on the field to determine No. 1 in the USA?

Back to more serious matters: How do we lose by 32 points to Wisconsin in
what was supposed to be a statement game? The only statement I can make is:
absent a miracle, we are not going to the tournament. Again. I also suggest
that I am most weary of uttering this same statement every winter.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 6:09 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> > Is there one more big football game
> > left?
>
> Yes there is ... you see, unlike college football, which prefers to end its
> exciting season with a onslaught of meaningless games in front of half-empty
> stadiums or a so-called title game played after three months of layoff time
> with half sleepy teams, the NFL has this thing called a playoff.
>
> It's really quite fun - packed houses, tense games, fans who are excited to
> be there and millions of people watching as it builds on a fun regular
> season. Sure, the best team may not always win (though it doesn't in college
> either), but you get these games that mean more and more each week until a
> championship game where they actually (gasp) settle things on the field!
>
> :)
>
> GO CATS!!!
> GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 25 09:11:49 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Jan 25 09:11:57 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] More on oversigning
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/01/24/oversigning/index.html#ixzz1BzrjnTR8


Explains it all very well. 

Tom

From artmiller_news at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 25 16:59:19 2011
From: artmiller_news at yahoo.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Tue Jan 25 16:59:29 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] More on oversigning
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Thanks for sending this, Tom.? I had never really thought about it before, but 
it makes sense that oversigning (coupled with a lack of integrity) gives a head 
coach a lot more room for error in the recruiting process.? 


Gary Barnett said in his book something to the effect of, "Don't worry about the 
recruit that got away, it's the ones you take but can't play that hurt you."? I 
suppose we could now add, "unless you're an SEC school not named Vanderbilt".



?


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Sent: Tue, January 25, 2011 9:11:49 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] More on oversigning

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/01/24/oversigning/index.html#ixzz1BzrjnTR8



Explains it all very well. 

Tom

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 25 17:19:59 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan 25 17:20:14 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] More on oversigning
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> I suppose we could now add, "unless you're an SEC school not
> named Vanderbilt".

Wow - there's such a long list of Jeopardy questions to which that line could be the answer. :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 25 22:05:09 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan 25 22:05:12 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] More on oversigning
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I always thought some of the recruiting shenanigans were brought about by coaches wishing
to deny a kid's services to a competitor.

I used to look at the dOSU bench during the Griffin era, with 10-12 running backs sitting
there, who would never, ever see the field, and wonder if any of the had the requisite
1100 SAT to get into NU. We'll never know, and I always wonder how many were put on
scholarship just to keep them from playing at Michigan, or Perdue.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
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Maycock
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:12 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] More on oversigning

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/01/24/oversigning/index.html#ix
zz1BzrjnTR8


Explains it all very well. 

Tom

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan 26 20:29:42 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jan 26 20:29:56 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Halftime in Minny
Message-ID: <001801cbbdca$0e89dab0$2b9d9010$@com>

1-3-1 with Marcatullio on top allowed the Cats to come back for 10+ down.

Shurna crashed the stanchion and left the game with 3 left in the half, but the Cats
responded and got a 3 to take the lead.

Now we need to play the full 20 minutes left, altho we had our letdown from 5:00-15:00 in
the first half tonight

rsl

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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Jan 26 20:39:02 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed Jan 26 20:40:38 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Halftime in Minny
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Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E7EC6BF@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

And Crawford long-range shooting was a key.  Wild to be up one despite Thompson's woeful shooting half...and two fouls on Cobb and Crawford, after being down 29-16.  18-4 run to close half. 

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
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Subject: [NU Sports] Halftime in Minny

1-3-1 with Marcatullio on top allowed the Cats to come back for 10+ down.

Shurna crashed the stanchion and left the game with 3 left in the half, but the Cats
responded and got a 3 to take the lead.

Now we need to play the full 20 minutes left, altho we had our letdown from 5:00-15:00 in
the first half tonight

rsl

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Jan 26 21:41:42 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed Jan 26 21:43:00 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Train wreck of a 2d half
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E7EC6CA@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Familiar refrain...

NU had no good answers for Minn's inside strength and Cats' awful shooting just too much to overcome.  

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

From airsnod at aol.com  Wed Jan 26 23:00:05 2011
From: airsnod at aol.com (=?utf-8?B?YWlyc25vZEBhb2wuY29t?=)
Date: Wed Jan 26 23:00:14 2011
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Another disappointing aspect: I work in Williams, had the night off, came with my nephew festooned in purple, and saw the absolute smallest visiting contingent of any game, conference it non- conference, in two years.
Blah.

Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint!

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From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>
Date: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 9:41 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Train wreck of a 2d half
To: "'nwu-sports@tssi.com'" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>

Familiar refrain...

NU had no good answers for Minn's inside strength and Cats' awful shooting just too much to overcome.  

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jan 26 23:02:02 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 26 23:01:14 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Train wreck of a 2d half
Message-ID: <1905214377-1296104469-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1063662612-@bda2187.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I didn't see the game but it sounds like what many of us are saying that without a solid big man we won't win more than a handful of BT games. If we get hot from the outside as we apparently did, we can win a few ,but its unlikely we can do it for a whole game. 

Carmody and crew have got to figure out some way to recruit a solid big man. I don't know how,but it has to be  listed as a top  priority.

 What are our contacts with the public league in Chicago ?my hunch is that it is weaker than it should be. But I bet there are a few candidates available each year that we need to tap into .   What about at the JC's ?  I'm sure there are at least a few academically qualified recruits who are big and can fight hard under the glass.

 Can we look at Australia? The local college here in the Bay Area, St Marys, made the final 8 on the strength on a few boys from down under. (Would the weather in Evanston scare them away ?) Why just recruit from Eastern Europe ? 

,I'm not an expert here,but we know other schools with similar academic standings seem to hold their own a heck of a lot  better than we do

Harry
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Sent: Jan 26, 2011 7:41 PM

Familiar refrain...

NU had no good answers for Minn's inside strength and Cats' awful shooting just too much to overcome.  

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Jan 27 07:05:45 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu Jan 27 07:07:02 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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http://www.suntimes.com/sports/3512589-419/points-northwestern-half-gophers-wildcats.html

"We didn't have the size and strength to compete with them," Northwestern coach Bill Carmody said. "There was a lot of ring-around-the-rosey stuff. It's hard to win a game over 40 minutes that way."

From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan 27 07:30:26 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan 27 07:30:33 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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> "We didn't have the size and strength to compete with them," Northwestern 
> coach Bill Carmody said. "There was a lot of ring-around-the-rosey stuff. 
> It's hard to win a game over 40 minutes that way."

You're right, Bill, and you're the only one who can do something about it. 
We eagerly await your success. 

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Jan 27 07:33:02 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu Jan 27 07:34:22 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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More:

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/chicago-college-basketball/2011/01/hack-a-gopher-lets-minnesota-beat-northwestern.html


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng@comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:30 AM
To: Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote

> "We didn't have the size and strength to compete with them," Northwestern
> coach Bill Carmody said. "There was a lot of ring-around-the-rosey stuff.
> It's hard to win a game over 40 minutes that way."

You're right, Bill, and you're the only one who can do something about it.
We eagerly await your success.


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 27 07:38:03 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan 27 07:38:06 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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Shon said something during the 2nd half that might hold out some hope - one of the
recruits coming in next year is a 6-8 forward from the Chicago Public League BUT he's only
195 lbs.

Shon joked that he had to hang around with the broadcasters and pick up some weight.

We just got out muscled inside last night on both ends of the floor - when we started to
negate one big guy, another stepped in and the game continued.  It was painful to watch.

Does vertical size equate to lower brainpower? There has to be a couple of 6-10 geniuses
who can shoot hoops out there... or are they all playing for Stanford, Vandy and Duke... 

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:06 AM
To: 'nwu-sports@tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/3512589-419/points-northwestern-half-gophers-wildcats.html

"We didn't have the size and strength to compete with them," Northwestern coach Bill
Carmody said. "There was a lot of ring-around-the-rosey stuff. It's hard to win a game
over 40 minutes that way."

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan 27 07:55:19 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 27 07:55:00 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
In-Reply-To: <000c01cbbe27$6d9a6cb0$48cf4610$@com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E7EC6CA@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt><1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30F938AD6@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt><000c01cbbe27$6d9a6cb0$48cf4610$@com>
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Roy is re iterating my point exactly. There are big guys out there that have muscle and can qualify to get into NU. Why we can't land any ,I don't know.

  Happy to hear about a Chicago Public league recruit.  I think you can count on one hand the number we have had in the last 30 years

Harry
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Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:38:03 
To: 'Weinbaum, Willie'<Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote

Shon said something during the 2nd half that might hold out some hope - one of the
recruits coming in next year is a 6-8 forward from the Chicago Public League BUT he's only
195 lbs.

Shon joked that he had to hang around with the broadcasters and pick up some weight.

We just got out muscled inside last night on both ends of the floor - when we started to
negate one big guy, another stepped in and the game continued.  It was painful to watch.

Does vertical size equate to lower brainpower? There has to be a couple of 6-10 geniuses
who can shoot hoops out there... or are they all playing for Stanford, Vandy and Duke... 

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:06 AM
To: 'nwu-sports@tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/3512589-419/points-northwestern-half-gophers-wildcats.html

"We didn't have the size and strength to compete with them," Northwestern coach Bill
Carmody said. "There was a lot of ring-around-the-rosey stuff. It's hard to win a game
over 40 minutes that way."

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 27 09:26:14 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Jan 27 09:26:18 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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I thought the effort was much better last night, but we really were physically 
outmatched at a couple of positions (which was not the case against WI in my 
opinion). 

Although we certainly got outplayed at center last night, it was really Mbakwe 
that killed the Cats on the boards. We could get by with a Luka-style center 
(which suits Carmody's offense) if we could plug in a power forward with 
Mbakwe's combination of quickness, strength, hops, and all-out effort. The good 
news is he's been doing it to everyone else too, but it was really a problem for 
the Cats in particular. Unlike on Sunday, it looked like we had guys boxing him 
out last night, but he repeatedly went up and over them to bring down rebounds.

We still could have won the game with better outside shooting, especially from 
Thompson. But those shooting numbers aren't likely to be much better if we just 
keep moving it around the perimeter and then launching contested three-pointers 
(the "ring-around-the-rosy" approach in Carmody's words). Shon commented 
repeatedly on the lack of movement last night. There's no Mbakwe hiding on NU's 
bench, so if there's any chance at having a good season, they'll need to find 
their groove again on offense. 

Mostly I was reminded again of how much we miss Coble. 

Tom
From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan 27 09:52:30 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 27 09:51:51 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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I thought the effort was much better last night, but we really were physically 
outmatched at a couple of positions (which was not the case against WI in my 
opinion). 

Although we certainly got outplayed at center last night, it was really Mbakwe 
that killed the Cats on the boards. We could get by with a Luka-style center 
(which suits Carmody's offense) if we could plug in a power forward with 
Mbakwe's combination of quickness, strength, hops, and all-out effort. The good 
news is he's been doing it to everyone else too, but it was really a problem for 
the Cats in particular. Unlike on Sunday, it looked like we had guys boxing him 
out last night, but he repeatedly went up and over them to bring down rebounds.

We still could have won the game with better outside shooting, especially from 
Thompson. But those shooting numbers aren't likely to be much better if we just 
keep moving it around the perimeter and then launching contested three-pointers 
(the "ring-around-the-rosy" approach in Carmody's words). Shon commented 
repeatedly on the lack of movement last night. There's no Mbakwe hiding on NU's 
bench, so if there's any chance at having a good season, they'll need to find 
their groove again on offense. 

Mostly I was reminded again of how much we miss Coble. 

Tom
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan 27 10:13:35 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Jan 27 10:13:56 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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My theory is that this team had a lot of momentum at the start of the year because they saw the possibility that they might be the group that gets NU to the NCAA tourney.
 
Shurna's nagging injury put that goal in jeopardy.  The failure of the rest of the team to step up has since put that goal out of reach.
 
So they are bummed and the grind of the BT schedule is really wearing them down.  We saw that last year with Juice and I think that we are seeing it again this year.  He not only has to play a lot of minutes, but he also has to try to make up for the points they are missing from Shurna.  
 
We already knew that this team was going to have problems in the post.
 
Our way to win was always going to be our outside shooting and our willingness to hustle for everything else.  The absence of a reliable 20 point shooter has pretty much doomed this team to the "hot hand" syndrome and we just don't have enough other players capable of sustaining that hot hand through a whole game.
 
It is tempting to look for someone to blame and i agree that responsibility starts with Carmody.  Sometimes, though, it is just the way things go.  Just like our football program, our basketball program isn't at the point where it can recover from the loss of the star player.  The good news is that we are at least at the point where we are able to recruit and groom star players with sufficient talent that we can build BT-competitive teams.  The bad news that we don't have the depth of talent yet to have a supporting cast that can take up the slack when the star player isn't able to perform.
 
Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Tom Maycock
Sent: Thu 1/27/2011 10:26 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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I thought the effort was much better last night, but we really were physically
outmatched at a couple of positions (which was not the case against WI in my
opinion).

Although we certainly got outplayed at center last night, it was really Mbakwe
that killed the Cats on the boards. We could get by with a Luka-style center
(which suits Carmody's offense) if we could plug in a power forward with
Mbakwe's combination of quickness, strength, hops, and all-out effort. The good
news is he's been doing it to everyone else too, but it was really a problem for
the Cats in particular. Unlike on Sunday, it looked like we had guys boxing him
out last night, but he repeatedly went up and over them to bring down rebounds.

We still could have won the game with better outside shooting, especially from
Thompson. But those shooting numbers aren't likely to be much better if we just
keep moving it around the perimeter and then launching contested three-pointers
(the "ring-around-the-rosy" approach in Carmody's words). Shon commented
repeatedly on the lack of movement last night. There's no Mbakwe hiding on NU's
bench, so if there's any chance at having a good season, they'll need to find
their groove again on offense.

Mostly I was reminded again of how much we miss Coble.

Tom
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Thu Jan 27 10:36:39 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Thu Jan 27 10:37:08 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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On 1/27/2011 10:13 AM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> My theory is that this team had a lot of momentum at the start of the year because they saw the possibility that they might be the group that gets NU to the NCAA tourney.
>
> Shurna's nagging injury put that goal in jeopardy.  The failure of the rest of the team to step up has since put that goal out of reach.


I still think the jury is out on this season. Every Big Ten loss has 
been to a currently ranked team (do people realize that?), and even St. 
John's has been on the positive side of the tourney bubble. We don't 
have a quality win, and the chances to get one are running out, but it's 
still conceivable. All we really need is one (two would certainly clinch 
it).

If we ever actually lose to an unranked opponent, that will be one 
thing. There will certainly be no room for error in that five-game 
stretch. But people seem to forget that how we fare against Ohio State 
or Wisconsin has nothing to do with whether we eventually make the 
tournament. Nothing has been decided yet; let's hope the team doesn't 
give up the way the fans have seemed to.

Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 10:45:09 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Thu Jan 27 10:45:44 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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Eric's points are well-taken.

At the same time, our RPI is atrocious and if we are to make the tournament
at some point we have to win one or more of these games.

I think the sense of dismay (candidly, I feel it) stems from the Wisconsin
beat-down. It's no big deal to lose on the road to ranked teams. But the
Wisconsin loss is another matter. This was a game we all expected to be a
statement game. Indeed, it was a statement. A home loss by 32. That is a
statement, and almost always that statement says loudly and clearly: not
ready for prime time.

Would love to be proven wrong, believe me.



On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu> wrote:

> On 1/27/2011 10:13 AM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
>
>> My theory is that this team had a lot of momentum at the start of the year
>> because they saw the possibility that they might be the group that gets NU
>> to the NCAA tourney.
>>
>> Shurna's nagging injury put that goal in jeopardy.  The failure of the
>> rest of the team to step up has since put that goal out of reach.
>>
>
>
> I still think the jury is out on this season. Every Big Ten loss has been
> to a currently ranked team (do people realize that?), and even St. John's
> has been on the positive side of the tourney bubble. We don't have a quality
> win, and the chances to get one are running out, but it's still conceivable.
> All we really need is one (two would certainly clinch it).
>
> If we ever actually lose to an unranked opponent, that will be one thing.
> There will certainly be no room for error in that five-game stretch. But
> people seem to forget that how we fare against Ohio State or Wisconsin has
> nothing to do with whether we eventually make the tournament. Nothing has
> been decided yet; let's hope the team doesn't give up the way the fans have
> seemed to.
>
> Eric West
> e-west@northwestern.edu
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan 27 10:46:02 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan 27 10:46:08 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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> People seem to forget that how we fare against Ohio State or Wisconsin has 
> nothing to do with whether we eventually make the tournament.

So if we were to defeat Ohio State and Wisconsin, it would not affect our 
chances to make the tournament?  How is that possible? 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 27 10:48:39 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan 27 10:48:43 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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When the season is finally over, and whatever happens settles in, the big question is still going to be why BC didn't try harder to keep Coble around.

Coble, Shurna and Crawford would have been an outstanding set of forwards - when one was having a bad night, the others could step up. Now, if Shurna gets hurt or Crawford gets distracted, either Juice or one of the guards off the bench have to step up. It's almost a no win.

The other "hole" I see on the team this year is that the center isn't turning around at the top of the key and draining a 3 pointer. Luka could even shoot it from the foul line and it would help clean out the middle against those big guys in the Big 10. Luka needs to make more of his inside layups and putbacks, but the center shooting from the arc makes it easier for the rest of the guys.

Finally, we did a good job breaking down Minny's 2-3 zone in the first half. It took a while, but once they were forced into man coverage, we went on the run.

In the 2nd half, Minny just went after the middle, and we were stuck.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric West
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:37 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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On 1/27/2011 10:13 AM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> My theory is that this team had a lot of momentum at the start of the year because they saw the possibility that they might be the group that gets NU to the NCAA tourney.
>
> Shurna's nagging injury put that goal in jeopardy.  The failure of the rest of the team to step up has since put that goal out of reach.


I still think the jury is out on this season. Every Big Ten loss has 
been to a currently ranked team (do people realize that?), and even St. 
John's has been on the positive side of the tourney bubble. We don't 
have a quality win, and the chances to get one are running out, but it's 
still conceivable. All we really need is one (two would certainly clinch 
it).

If we ever actually lose to an unranked opponent, that will be one 
thing. There will certainly be no room for error in that five-game 
stretch. But people seem to forget that how we fare against Ohio State 
or Wisconsin has nothing to do with whether we eventually make the 
tournament. Nothing has been decided yet; let's hope the team doesn't 
give up the way the fans have seemed to.

Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan 27 11:30:07 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Jan 27 11:30:32 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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The analysis I've read is that we have to get at least 20 wins to make the tourney.
 
How do you see us getting there from where we are right now with 14 wins?
 
Here's the rest of our schedule.
 
Ohio State - 1
Illinois - 1
Michigan - 1
PSU - 2
Iowa - 1
Indiana - 1
Wisky -1
Minny - 1
 
So let's say that we beat Michigan and Indiana on the road and Iowa at home.  We're still three short.  
 
Now let's be even more generous and we take both games against PSU who has a good team this year and historically has played us tough.  We're still one short.  Where does that one come from?
 
It should have come from MSU, be we weren't able to get over the hump with them.  Now it has to come from a legit upset against teams that we don't match up well against (Minny), that have dominated us (Wisky and ILL), or are #1 in the country OSU.
 
I was just throwing a theory out there to explain why we've seen lackluster play from this team lately.  They are smart and can add too.  
 
Doesn't mean that I won't be watching or that I won't be rooting for a win in every game left on schedule.  
 
Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Eric West
Sent: Thu 1/27/2011 11:36 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote



On 1/27/2011 10:13 AM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> My theory is that this team had a lot of momentum at the start of the year because they saw the possibility that they might be the group that gets NU to the NCAA tourney.
>
> Shurna's nagging injury put that goal in jeopardy.  The failure of the rest of the team to step up has since put that goal out of reach.


I still think the jury is out on this season. Every Big Ten loss has
been to a currently ranked team (do people realize that?), and even St.
John's has been on the positive side of the tourney bubble. We don't
have a quality win, and the chances to get one are running out, but it's
still conceivable. All we really need is one (two would certainly clinch
it).

If we ever actually lose to an unranked opponent, that will be one
thing. There will certainly be no room for error in that five-game
stretch. But people seem to forget that how we fare against Ohio State
or Wisconsin has nothing to do with whether we eventually make the
tournament. Nothing has been decided yet; let's hope the team doesn't
give up the way the fans have seemed to.

Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Jan 27 11:33:30 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu Jan 27 11:35:35 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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FYI - Cats are 13-7, 3-6.

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:30 PM
To: Eric West; nwu-sports@tssi.com
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The analysis I've read is that we have to get at least 20 wins to make the tourney.

How do you see us getting there from where we are right now with 14 wins?

Here's the rest of our schedule.

Ohio State - 1
Illinois - 1
Michigan - 1
PSU - 2
Iowa - 1
Indiana - 1
Wisky -1
Minny - 1

So let's say that we beat Michigan and Indiana on the road and Iowa at home.  We're still three short.

Now let's be even more generous and we take both games against PSU who has a good team this year and historically has played us tough.  We're still one short.  Where does that one come from?

It should have come from MSU, be we weren't able to get over the hump with them.  Now it has to come from a legit upset against teams that we don't match up well against (Minny), that have dominated us (Wisky and ILL), or are #1 in the country OSU.

I was just throwing a theory out there to explain why we've seen lackluster play from this team lately.  They are smart and can add too.

Doesn't mean that I won't be watching or that I won't be rooting for a win in every game left on schedule.

Jeff


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Sent: Thu 1/27/2011 11:36 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote



On 1/27/2011 10:13 AM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> My theory is that this team had a lot of momentum at the start of the year because they saw the possibility that they might be the group that gets NU to the NCAA tourney.
>
> Shurna's nagging injury put that goal in jeopardy.  The failure of the rest of the team to step up has since put that goal out of reach.


I still think the jury is out on this season. Every Big Ten loss has
been to a currently ranked team (do people realize that?), and even St.
John's has been on the positive side of the tourney bubble. We don't
have a quality win, and the chances to get one are running out, but it's
still conceivable. All we really need is one (two would certainly clinch
it).

If we ever actually lose to an unranked opponent, that will be one
thing. There will certainly be no room for error in that five-game
stretch. But people seem to forget that how we fare against Ohio State
or Wisconsin has nothing to do with whether we eventually make the
tournament. Nothing has been decided yet; let's hope the team doesn't
give up the way the fans have seemed to.

Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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 Roy has hit it right on the head.  Carmody's job is to maximize the potential of the team he has recruited.  While we probably will never know the true details of the dispute that ultimately led to Coble's separation from the team and the program, if healthy he is clearly No. 1 or 1A in terms of talent and experience on this year's squad.  What has always plagued NU is that we could not match up talent-wise with our conference rivals.  Here we had the opportunity, perhaps for the first time in the long, dark history of 'Cat Hoops, to actually have more good shooters and ball-handlers on the floor than many of our opponents.  At 6-8, 220, Coble was a 5+ rebound/game guy--not great, but at least he would have grabbed a couple of balls.  It really makes little sense to me that a trip to Italy results in our having one of our best players sitting out the entire season.  I know it's "team-building" and important to cohesion--and if Coble simply wanted to go to Hawaii with his family, then I might reconsider this post--but come on, was it necessary for Carmody to make this a "deal-breaker" for the season?  We would have been so much deeper, and guys like Corletti would be in support roles, rather than in front-line positions.  Given the fact that this was our best shot to make "the Dance", and the final season for Juice and Coble, didn't it make sense to find some compromise that would allow NU to have ALL of its best players contributing to what we all hoped and expected would be the break-through season we have been waiting for?   Given all of the obstacles we have to overcome to get to this position--academic requirements, the inadequacy of Welsh-Ryan, the lack of any winning tradition--how can we not go forward with every "ace" in our Coach's hand?  I am sorry, but I just cannot understand this at all.   This is not like Coble not going to class, flunking his courses, breaking team rules, or gambling, or any of the other "sins" that would have led GB or RW or Fitz to throw a FB player off the team.  This seems to me to perhaps be a very collateral issue that was blown up into a test of wills by a Coach who maybe is unnecessarily insecure or otherwise needs to demonstrate who is boss, against a 21-year-old who has been through a lot (mother's cancer, broken foot, etc.).  Having a son the same age- I just think that the punishment does not fit the alleged "crime".  For Carmody didn't only "punish" Coble, as the rest of the team, the students, and we alums are all suffering as well.   

Paul Levinson


 

 

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From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: 'Eric West' <e-west@northwestern.edu>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thu, Jan 27, 2011 11:48 am
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote


When the season is finally over, and whatever happens settles in, the big 
question is still going to be why BC didn't try harder to keep Coble around.

Coble, Shurna and Crawford would have been an outstanding set of forwards - when 
one was having a bad night, the others could step up. Now, if Shurna gets hurt 
or Crawford gets distracted, either Juice or one of the guards off the bench 
have to step up. It's almost a no win.

The other "hole" I see on the team this year is that the center isn't turning 
around at the top of the key and draining a 3 pointer. Luka could even shoot it 
from the foul line and it would help clean out the middle against those big guys 
in the Big 10. Luka needs to make more of his inside layups and putbacks, but 
the center shooting from the arc makes it easier for the rest of the guys.

Finally, we did a good job breaking down Minny's 2-3 zone in the first half. It 
took a while, but once they were forced into man coverage, we went on the run.

In the 2nd half, Minny just went after the middle, and we were stuck.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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-----Original Message-----
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Of Eric West
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:37 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote

On 1/27/2011 10:13 AM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> My theory is that this team had a lot of momentum at the start of the year 
because they saw the possibility that they might be the group that gets NU to 
the NCAA tourney.
>
> Shurna's nagging injury put that goal in jeopardy.  The failure of the rest of 
the team to step up has since put that goal out of reach.


I still think the jury is out on this season. Every Big Ten loss has 
been to a currently ranked team (do people realize that?), and even St. 
John's has been on the positive side of the tourney bubble. We don't 
have a quality win, and the chances to get one are running out, but it's 
still conceivable. All we really need is one (two would certainly clinch 
it).

If we ever actually lose to an unranked opponent, that will be one 
thing. There will certainly be no room for error in that five-game 
stretch. But people seem to forget that how we fare against Ohio State 
or Wisconsin has nothing to do with whether we eventually make the 
tournament. Nothing has been decided yet; let's hope the team doesn't 
give up the way the fans have seemed to.

Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 27 11:43:39 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Jan 27 11:43:41 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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There are also the Big 10 tournament games to consider, so there are more ways 
to get to 20. But I don't think 20 wins per se will get it done. We need some 
quality wins. 

I haven't given up hope entirely, but the team hasn't played well in the last 
couple of games, and, like Alan, that Wisconsin game really put the hurt on my 
level of optimism. 

The team has weaknesses, we all know that. The problem is that they also haven't 
been maximizing their strengths (ball movement, high assist-to-basket ratio 
offense, good outside shooting, hustle on D) lately.

If they can get the offense back into a groove, anything could happen, including 
a good run in the Big 10 tourney. But the two close losses to MSU and a missed 
opportunity last night really hurt our chances. 

And, frankly, the Wisconsin game made me think this team has no business being 
in the NIT, let alone the NCAAs. I'm hoping to get over that feeling.

Also, and they HAVE to stop compounding defensive breakdowns with ineffective 
cheap fouls. I can't imagine how many "and 1s" Minnesota must have had last 
night--probably enough to make the difference between winning and losing. 

Tom

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan 27 11:58:08 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Jan 27 12:00:09 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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oops sorry I was counting the exhibition win when I looked at the schedule.
 
So if the 20 win rule holds, we actually need two legit upsets to get to that number in the regular season.
 
Jeff

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Thu 1/27/2011 12:33 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote



FYI - Cats are 13-7, 3-6.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:30 PM
To: Eric West; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote

The analysis I've read is that we have to get at least 20 wins to make the tourney.

How do you see us getting there from where we are right now with 14 wins?

Here's the rest of our schedule.

Ohio State - 1
Illinois - 1
Michigan - 1
PSU - 2
Iowa - 1
Indiana - 1
Wisky -1
Minny - 1

So let's say that we beat Michigan and Indiana on the road and Iowa at home.  We're still three short.

Now let's be even more generous and we take both games against PSU who has a good team this year and historically has played us tough.  We're still one short.  Where does that one come from?

It should have come from MSU, be we weren't able to get over the hump with them.  Now it has to come from a legit upset against teams that we don't match up well against (Minny), that have dominated us (Wisky and ILL), or are #1 in the country OSU.

I was just throwing a theory out there to explain why we've seen lackluster play from this team lately.  They are smart and can add too.

Doesn't mean that I won't be watching or that I won't be rooting for a win in every game left on schedule.

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Eric West
Sent: Thu 1/27/2011 11:36 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote



On 1/27/2011 10:13 AM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> My theory is that this team had a lot of momentum at the start of the year because they saw the possibility that they might be the group that gets NU to the NCAA tourney.
>
> Shurna's nagging injury put that goal in jeopardy.  The failure of the rest of the team to step up has since put that goal out of reach.


I still think the jury is out on this season. Every Big Ten loss has
been to a currently ranked team (do people realize that?), and even St.
John's has been on the positive side of the tourney bubble. We don't
have a quality win, and the chances to get one are running out, but it's
still conceivable. All we really need is one (two would certainly clinch
it).

If we ever actually lose to an unranked opponent, that will be one
thing. There will certainly be no room for error in that five-game
stretch. But people seem to forget that how we fare against Ohio State
or Wisconsin has nothing to do with whether we eventually make the
tournament. Nothing has been decided yet; let's hope the team doesn't
give up the way the fans have seemed to.

Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 27 12:06:33 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Thu Jan 27 12:06:37 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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The Cats were 10-1 in the non-conference schedule, which normally would give us 
a boost, but the quality of the opposition was so weak (around #300 strength of 
schedule, with one opponent in the Top 100), that it's turning out to be a 
negative.? I'm not sure why we had to do that with an experienced team, as it's 
probably added one or two wins required in the Big Ten.



________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>
To: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 11:58:08 AM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote

oops sorry I was counting the exhibition win when I looked at the schedule.

So if the 20 win rule holds, we actually need two legit upsets to get to that 
number in the regular season.

Jeff

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Thu 1/27/2011 12:33 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote



FYI - Cats are 13-7, 3-6.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf 
Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:30 PM
To: Eric West; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote

The analysis I've read is that we have to get at least 20 wins to make the 
tourney.

How do you see us getting there from where we are right now with 14 wins?

Here's the rest of our schedule.

Ohio State - 1
Illinois - 1
Michigan - 1
PSU - 2
Iowa - 1
Indiana - 1
Wisky -1
Minny - 1

So let's say that we beat Michigan and Indiana on the road and Iowa at home.? 
We're still three short.

Now let's be even more generous and we take both games against PSU who has a 
good team this year and historically has played us tough.? We're still one 
short.? Where does that one come from?

It should have come from MSU, be we weren't able to get over the hump with 
them.? Now it has to come from a legit upset against teams that we don't match 
up well against (Minny), that have dominated us (Wisky and ILL), or are #1 in 
the country OSU.

I was just throwing a theory out there to explain why we've seen lackluster play 
from this team lately.? They are smart and can add too.

Doesn't mean that I won't be watching or that I won't be rooting for a win in 
every game left on schedule.

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Eric West
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote



On 1/27/2011 10:13 AM, Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> My theory is that this team had a lot of momentum at the start of the year 
>because they saw the possibility that they might be the group that gets NU to 
>the NCAA tourney.
>
> Shurna's nagging injury put that goal in jeopardy.? The failure of the rest of 
>the team to step up has since put that goal out of reach.


I still think the jury is out on this season. Every Big Ten loss has
been to a currently ranked team (do people realize that?), and even St.
John's has been on the positive side of the tourney bubble. We don't
have a quality win, and the chances to get one are running out, but it's
still conceivable. All we really need is one (two would certainly clinch
it).

If we ever actually lose to an unranked opponent, that will be one
thing. There will certainly be no room for error in that five-game
stretch. But people seem to forget that how we fare against Ohio State
or Wisconsin has nothing to do with whether we eventually make the
tournament. Nothing has been decided yet; let's hope the team doesn't
give up the way the fans have seemed to.

Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From Martinitis at aol.com  Thu Jan 27 13:35:41 2011
From: Martinitis at aol.com (Martinitis@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 27 13:35:55 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
Message-ID: <55a38.53cef6c7.3a73230d@aol.com>

Well said Paul.
 
 
In a message dated 1/27/2011 9:43:51 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
neonrye@aol.com writes:




Roy has hit it right on the head.  Carmody's job  is to maximize the 
potential of the team he has recruited.  While we  probably will never know the 
true details of the dispute that ultimately led  to Coble's separation from 
the team and the program, if healthy he is clearly  No. 1 or 1A in terms of 
talent and experience on this year's squad.  What  has always plagued NU is 
that we could not match up talent-wise with our  conference rivals.  Here we 
had the opportunity, perhaps for the first  time in the long, dark history of 
'Cat Hoops, to actually have more good  shooters and ball-handlers on the 
floor than many of our opponents.  At  6-8, 220, Coble was a 5+ rebound/game 
guy--not great, but at least he would  have grabbed a couple of balls.  It 
really makes little sense to me that  a trip to Italy results in our having 
one of our best players sitting out the  entire season.  I know it's 
"team-building" and important to  cohesion--and if Coble simply wanted to go to 
Hawaii with his family, then I  might reconsider this post--but come on, was it 
necessary for Carmody to make  this a "deal-breaker" for the season?  We 
would have been so much deeper,  and guys like Corletti would be in support 
roles, rather than in front-line  positions.  Given the fact that this was our 
best shot to make "the  Dance", and the final season for Juice and Coble, 
didn't it make sense to find  some compromise that would allow NU to have ALL 
of its best players  contributing to what we all hoped and expected would be 
the break-through  season we have been waiting for?   Given all of the 
obstacles we  have to overcome to get to this position--academic requirements, 
the  inadequacy of Welsh-Ryan, the lack of any winning tradition--how can we 
not go  forward with every "ace" in our Coach's hand?  I am sorry, but I 
just  cannot understand this at all.   This is not like Coble not going to  
class, flunking his courses, breaking team rules, or gambling, or any of the  
other "sins" that would have led GB or RW or Fitz to throw a FB player off 
the  team.  This seems to me to perhaps be a very collateral issue that was  
blown up into a test of wills by a Coach who maybe is unnecessarily insecure  
or otherwise needs to demonstrate who is boss, against a 21-year-old who 
has  been through a lot (mother's cancer, broken foot, etc.).  Having a son  
the same age- I just think that the punishment does not fit the alleged  
"crime".  For Carmody didn't only "punish" Coble, as the rest of the  team, the 
students, and we alums are all suffering as well.    

Paul Levinson






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From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To:  'Eric West' <e-west@northwestern.edu>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thu,  Jan 27, 2011 11:48 am
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame  quote


When the season is finally over, and whatever happens settles  in, the big 
question is still going to be why BC didn't try harder to keep  Coble 
around.

Coble, Shurna and Crawford would have been an outstanding  set of forwards 
- when 
one was having a bad night, the others could step  up. Now, if Shurna gets 
hurt 
or Crawford gets distracted, either Juice or  one of the guards off the 
bench 
have to step up. It's almost a no  win.

The other "hole" I see on the team this year is that the center  isn't 
turning 
around at the top of the key and draining a 3 pointer. Luka  could even 
shoot it 
from the foul line and it would help clean out the  middle against those 
big guys 
in the Big 10. Luka needs to make more of  his inside layups and putbacks, 
but 
the center shooting from the arc makes  it easier for the rest of the guys.

Finally, we did a good job breaking  down Minny's 2-3 zone in the first 
half. It 
took a while, but once they  were forced into man coverage, we went on the 
run.

In the 2nd half,  Minny just went after the middle, and we were  stuck.

rsl

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Northwestern University -  Speech 1974 - 
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Behalf 
Of Eric West
Sent:  Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:37 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re:  [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote

On 1/27/2011 10:13 AM,  Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> My theory is that this team had a lot of  momentum at the start of the 
year 
because they saw the possibility that  they might be the group that gets NU 
to 
the NCAA tourney.
>
>  Shurna's nagging injury put that goal in jeopardy.  The failure of the  
rest of 
the team to step up has since put that goal out of  reach.


I still think the jury is out on this season. Every Big Ten  loss has 
been to a currently ranked team (do people realize that?), and  even St. 
John's has been on the positive side of the tourney bubble. We  don't 
have a quality win, and the chances to get one are running out, but  it's 
still conceivable. All we really need is one (two would certainly  clinch 
it).

If we ever actually lose to an unranked opponent, that  will be one 
thing. There will certainly be no room for error in that  five-game 
stretch. But people seem to forget that how we fare against Ohio  State 
or Wisconsin has nothing to do with whether we eventually make the  
tournament. Nothing has been decided yet; let's hope the team doesn't  
give up the way the fans have seemed to.

Eric  West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan 27 14:22:50 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Jan 27 14:23:01 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote
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I don't know what the relationship was between Coble and Carmody.
 
What I can comment on is the relationship between coaches and players, having been both.
 
The bottom line is that it is not a democracy or even a benevolent dictatorship.  I had coaches that I hated and coaches that I loved, but the best had a basic set of things in common.
 
As Paul said, the coach's job is to get the best out of his players and hopefully put them in a position where they can win.  Every player is different, so what motivates one doesn't work on another.  The coach has the challenge of building a team where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.  IMHO that works best when the players trust each other and the coach.  
 
Coaches earn the respect of their players by treating the team in a consistent and predictable way even though individual treatment may vary.
 
So every coach worth their salt has rules that apply to everyone from scrub to star.  Those rules are not subject to a vote and are generally simple enough that everyone knows where the boundaries are.  Accepting these rules are the basic contract between the player, the coach, and the team.  That's why the consenquences for breaking team rules are generally swift and harsh.  
 
We saw that just this week when MSU dismissed starting guard Korie Lucious.  Is that going to affect MSU chances to make the dance?  Certainly.  Did Izzo have a choice?  Not really if he wanted to retain the respect of the rest of the team.
 
I suspect that same thing was in play with Coble and Carmody.
 
I also suspect that Carmody had no choice.  From what little we know, Coble appeared to be asking to be part of the team without making the same commitment that the rest of the players on the team had already made.  Carmody let him know that this wasn't an option.  Coble chose to leave the team and both he and Carmody have to live with the consequences.  I suspect, though, that Carmody is not losing any sleep over it.
 
Jeff

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Martinitis@aol.com
Sent: Thu 1/27/2011 2:35 PM
To: neonrye@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote



Well said Paul.


In a message dated 1/27/2011 9:43:51 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
neonrye@aol.com writes:




Roy has hit it right on the head.  Carmody's job  is to maximize the
potential of the team he has recruited.  While we  probably will never know the
true details of the dispute that ultimately led  to Coble's separation from
the team and the program, if healthy he is clearly  No. 1 or 1A in terms of
talent and experience on this year's squad.  What  has always plagued NU is
that we could not match up talent-wise with our  conference rivals.  Here we
had the opportunity, perhaps for the first  time in the long, dark history of
'Cat Hoops, to actually have more good  shooters and ball-handlers on the
floor than many of our opponents.  At  6-8, 220, Coble was a 5+ rebound/game
guy--not great, but at least he would  have grabbed a couple of balls.  It
really makes little sense to me that  a trip to Italy results in our having
one of our best players sitting out the  entire season.  I know it's
"team-building" and important to  cohesion--and if Coble simply wanted to go to
Hawaii with his family, then I  might reconsider this post--but come on, was it
necessary for Carmody to make  this a "deal-breaker" for the season?  We
would have been so much deeper,  and guys like Corletti would be in support
roles, rather than in front-line  positions.  Given the fact that this was our
best shot to make "the  Dance", and the final season for Juice and Coble,
didn't it make sense to find  some compromise that would allow NU to have ALL
of its best players  contributing to what we all hoped and expected would be
the break-through  season we have been waiting for?   Given all of the
obstacles we  have to overcome to get to this position--academic requirements,
the  inadequacy of Welsh-Ryan, the lack of any winning tradition--how can we
not go  forward with every "ace" in our Coach's hand?  I am sorry, but I
just  cannot understand this at all.   This is not like Coble not going to 
class, flunking his courses, breaking team rules, or gambling, or any of the 
other "sins" that would have led GB or RW or Fitz to throw a FB player off
the  team.  This seems to me to perhaps be a very collateral issue that was 
blown up into a test of wills by a Coach who maybe is unnecessarily insecure 
or otherwise needs to demonstrate who is boss, against a 21-year-old who
has  been through a lot (mother's cancer, broken foot, etc.).  Having a son 
the same age- I just think that the punishment does not fit the alleged 
"crime".  For Carmody didn't only "punish" Coble, as the rest of the  team, the
students, and we alums are all suffering as well.   

Paul Levinson






-----Original  Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To:  'Eric West' <e-west@northwestern.edu>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thu,  Jan 27, 2011 11:48 am
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame  quote


When the season is finally over, and whatever happens settles  in, the big
question is still going to be why BC didn't try harder to keep  Coble
around.

Coble, Shurna and Crawford would have been an outstanding  set of forwards
- when
one was having a bad night, the others could step  up. Now, if Shurna gets
hurt
or Crawford gets distracted, either Juice or  one of the guards off the
bench
have to step up. It's almost a no  win.

The other "hole" I see on the team this year is that the center  isn't
turning
around at the top of the key and draining a 3 pointer. Luka  could even
shoot it
from the foul line and it would help clean out the  middle against those
big guys
in the Big 10. Luka needs to make more of  his inside layups and putbacks,
but
the center shooting from the arc makes  it easier for the rest of the guys.

Finally, we did a good job breaking  down Minny's 2-3 zone in the first
half. It
took a while, but once they  were forced into man coverage, we went on the
run.

In the 2nd half,  Minny just went after the middle, and we were  stuck.

rsl

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-----Original  Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com  [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf
Of Eric West
Sent:  Thursday, January 27, 2011 11:37 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re:  [NU Sports] telling Carmody postgame quote

On 1/27/2011 10:13 AM,  Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> My theory is that this team had a lot of  momentum at the start of the
year
because they saw the possibility that  they might be the group that gets NU
to
the NCAA tourney.
>
>  Shurna's nagging injury put that goal in jeopardy.  The failure of the 
rest of
the team to step up has since put that goal out of  reach.


I still think the jury is out on this season. Every Big Ten  loss has
been to a currently ranked team (do people realize that?), and  even St.
John's has been on the positive side of the tourney bubble. We  don't
have a quality win, and the chances to get one are running out, but  it's
still conceivable. All we really need is one (two would certainly  clinch
it).

If we ever actually lose to an unranked opponent, that  will be one
thing. There will certainly be no room for error in that  five-game
stretch. But people seem to forget that how we fare against Ohio  State
or Wisconsin has nothing to do with whether we eventually make the 
tournament. Nothing has been decided yet; let's hope the team doesn't 
give up the way the fans have seemed to.

Eric  West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Jan 27 17:04:13 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu Jan 27 17:06:12 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Concussion may sideline Shurna for Ohio State
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30F938AE3@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E7EC6CA@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/concussion-might-sideline-shurna-for-ohio-st.html



From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Jan 28 07:41:07 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri Jan 28 07:42:28 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Concussion may sideline Shurna for Ohio State
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30F939124@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30E7EC6CA@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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More tidbits on Shurna:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/3529676-419/shurna-concussion-game-wildcats-brilowski.html

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/5131



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 6:04 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Concussion may sideline Shurna for Ohio State

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2011/01/concussion-might-sideline-shurna-for-ohio-st.html




From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 08:58:17 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 29 08:58:24 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Concussion may sideline Shurna for Ohio State
Message-ID: <2fb12.53749661.3a758508@aol.com>

Well I guess we are going to get beat by the bucs on national tv, do we  
have any chance? GO CATS!!!
From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Jan 29 12:52:42 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat Jan 29 12:54:16 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] Alan Abrahamson's column on an inspiring Illinois
	athlete
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30F934A88@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://3wiresports.com/2011/01/28/i-myself-tatyana-mcfaddens-amazing-journey/

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

From marks83588 at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 14:51:52 2011
From: marks83588 at aol.com (marks83588@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 29 14:52:13 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Concussion may sideline Shurna for Ohio State
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Sadly, with Shurna out for the game, we have no shot. Look for a 40+ point beat-down. Bucks hoop it up on national TV.





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Sent: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:58 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] RE: Concussion may sideline Shurna for Ohio State


Well I guess we are going to get beat by the bucs on national tv, do we  
ave any chance? GO CATS!!!
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Jan 29 19:00:38 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat Jan 29 19:01:55 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So damned close
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30F934ABD@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Lotta heart and character.  Damned tough defeat. 

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 29 19:04:52 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Jan 29 19:05:14 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So damned close
Message-ID: <2558772.1296349493034.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

It was indeed a tough one, but is anyone else a bit tired of moral victories?

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>
>Sent: Jan 29, 2011 5:00 PM
>To: "'nwu-sports@tssi.com'" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>Subject: [NU Sports] So damned close
>
>Lotta heart and character.  Damned tough defeat. 
>
>>From Blackberry - please excuse typos
>
>W. Weinbaum
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>212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 29 19:11:37 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Jan 29 19:11:52 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So damned close
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Northwestern basketball reminds me of this quote by Daniel Patrick Moynihan:

"To be Irish is to know that in the end the world will break your heart."





----- Original Message ----
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Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 8:04:52 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] So damned close

It was indeed a tough one, but is anyone else a bit tired of moral victories?

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>
>Sent: Jan 29, 2011 5:00 PM
>To: "'nwu-sports@tssi.com'" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>Subject: [NU Sports] So damned close
>
>Lotta heart and character.  Damned tough defeat. 
>
>>From Blackberry - please excuse typos
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan 29 20:34:52 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan 29 20:34:46 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So damned close
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I think the moral of the story for this year is to go back to the original slow down game,
knowing that we can pour it on if we have to.

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
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================================================

-----Original Message-----
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Leonard
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 8:12 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] So damned close

Northwestern basketball reminds me of this quote by Daniel Patrick Moynihan:

"To be Irish is to know that in the end the world will break your heart."





----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>
To: "nwu-sports@tssi.com" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, January 29, 2011 8:04:52 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] So damned close

It was indeed a tough one, but is anyone else a bit tired of moral victories?

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>
>Sent: Jan 29, 2011 5:00 PM
>To: "'nwu-sports@tssi.com'" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>Subject: [NU Sports] So damned close
>
>Lotta heart and character.  Damned tough defeat. 
>
>>From Blackberry - please excuse typos
>
>W. Weinbaum
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From marks83588 at aol.com  Sat Jan 29 20:45:32 2011
From: marks83588 at aol.com (marks83588@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 29 20:45:39 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] So damned close
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What is amazing to me is that NU played either man or a 2-3 match up zone the entire game and held their own. Much as we all bitch about the D, that wasn't the problem tonight. The offense stagnated the last 2 possessions, starting with 1:19 left. It was pretty much Juice dribbling and everyone else watching.





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To: 'Jim Leonard' <jleonard518@yahoo.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 29, 2011 9:34 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] So damned close


I think the moral of the story for this year is to go back to the original slow 
own game,
nowing that we can pour it on if we have to.
rsl
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omputer Applications & Support Associates
------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
irector Media Relations - Little League 
 Senior League Softball World Series
TRCS USN/USNR Retired
orthwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
hi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
ublisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
...Then I get on my knees and pray,
E DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN!" -- Pete Townsend
===============================================
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f Jim
eonard
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o: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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Northwestern basketball reminds me of this quote by Daniel Patrick Moynihan:
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It was indeed a tough one, but is anyone else a bit tired of moral victories?
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Sent: Jan 29, 2011 5:00 PM
To: "'nwu-sports@tssi.com'" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] So damned close

Lotta heart and character.  Damned tough defeat. 

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Jan 30 10:15:43 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan 30 10:16:01 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] today's thought
Message-ID: <3d5a3.380201ef.3a76e8af@aol.com>

from Telanders column about the Iowa football players in the hospital
"Wherever it is that tough meets really stupid, that?s where Iowa is"
Got to agree about the really stupid.
From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Jan 31 22:09:05 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Jan 31 22:11:39 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] NU's new receivers coach
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http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/013111aaa.html


From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Jan 31 23:28:55 2011
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Jan 31 23:28:57 2011
Subject: [NU Sports] NU's new receivers coach
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	from "Weinbaum, Willie" at Jan 31, 2011 11:09:05 PM
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> http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/013111aaa.html

Kind of interesting that Indiana and Northwestern trade assistants,
I wonder how much his experience at coaching running backs will
be utilized?
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Mike Nolan

