From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Dec  1 07:24:41 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 08:24:41 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert
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I guess we'll find out about this prediction soon enough in this
weekend's game against Baylor.

 

The next "big" game from Sagarin's  point of view is against MSU at home
on 1/14.  Win that game and I might be inclined to believe him.

 

As far as Michigan is concerned, I think that is a team that is still
finding themselves.  They beat a good Memphis team.  Lost to Duke
because it took them 10 minutes to find the basket.  Then got pretty
much manhandled by Virginia.  Hardaway hasn't really become the scoring
threat that everyone predicted.  If they figure a way to get him going,
then this team will look more like their pre-season ratings.  Hopefully
that won't happen before we play them in January in AA.

 

Jeff

 

From: Charles Herron [mailto:cherron604 at aol.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 9:33 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com; neonrye at aol.com; Beamsley, Jeff;
nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert

 

All,

Didn't realize how positive things seemed until I looked at the Sagarin
ratings.

Sagarin says that we will lose by 2 at Creighton (11-1 n-c)
Sagarin says that we will lose one home Big Ten game by 4 to OSU (8-1
conf)
Sagarin says that we will lose 5 road Big Ten games, by 11 at OSU, by 1
at Michigan, by 4 at Wisconsin, by 4 at Illinois, 

and by 6 at Purdue (4-5 conf)

For a prediction of 23-7,12-6 - which, if we do that well, I will be
delighted indeed.

Chuck Herron  Tech '85

 

 

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Wasn't it the Nits we beat in our first ever BT tournament win ?


 
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Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 01:34:05 


 
To: Beamsley, Jeff<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>;
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Charles Herron<cherron604 at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>


 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert


 



 
I don't see why we can't get a split against Mich., after they looked so



 
pedestrian last night vs. Virginia.  But as I have noted before, I lack 


 
confidence in our ability to snag one W, let alone 2, vs. the Nits, who
alwaya 


 
seem to have our number.


 
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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com


 
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:13:00 


 
To: Charles Herron<cherron604 at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>


 
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert


 



 
Can't claim to be an expert, but still have an opinion.


 



 
20 wins didn't get us in last year, but there is an expanded play-in


 
round this year, so maybe this year it will be enough. 


 



 
I think that we have to go 11-1 in our non-con schedule to have a


 
reasonable chance at a 20 win regular season.


 



 
That way we only have to go 9-9 in the conference.


 



 
But let's assume we go 10-2 (losses to Baylor and Creighton).  That


 
means we have to 10-8 in the conference.


 



 
Here's where I figure our 8 losses can come from. We will lose the five


 
games that we have with OSU, Wisky, and UoM.  That gives us 3 more


 
losses that can come from the remaining 13 games (6 road 7 home).  


 



 
If we are able to beat Minny, Indiana, PSU, and Iowa on the road, then


 
we can afford to lose to Ill and Purdue on the road and still take one


 
home conference loss.  I'm suggesting that we beat PSU, IL, Purdude,


 
UNL, Iowa, and Minny at home.  That means our one home loss is to MSU.


 



 
So here's how that schedule works out.


 



 
12/28/11 at Ohio State         L   


 
01/01/12 vs. Penn State        W


 
01/04/12 vs. Illinois          W


 
01/11/12 at Michigan                  L


 
01/14/12 vs. Michigan State    L   


 
01/18/12 at Wisconsin          L


 
01/22/12 at Minnesota          W


 
01/28/12 vs. Purdue            W


 
02/02/12 vs. Nebraska          W


 
02/05/12 at Illinois                  L


 
02/09/12 vs. Iowa              W


 
02/12/12 at Purdue             L


 
02/15/12 at Indiana            W


 
02/18/12 vs. Minnesota         W


 
02/21/12 vs. Michigan          L


 
02/25/12 at Penn State         W


 
02/29/12 vs. Ohio State        L


 
03/03/12 at Iowa               W


 



 
Big games early on this schedule from my perspective are home wins


 
against Ill and Purdue, and a road win at Minny.  The other big road


 
wins are Indiana and PSU.  


 



 
Beat Creighton and life gets easier.


 



 
Jeff


 



 
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On Behalf Of Charles Herron


 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:13 AM


 
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com


 
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert


 



 
Sirs,


 



 
I am greatly in need of a basketball expert.  We are currently 6-0, with


 
6 more non-conference games to go.  Is it safe to assume 4-2 (losses to


 
Baylor and Creighton), or 10-2 heading in to Big Ten play ?


 



 
We then have 18 Big Ten games.  We miss Wisconsin and Indiana in


 
Evanston, and we miss Nebraska and Michigan State on the road.


 



 
What is our minimum conference mark to go with 10-2 in order to make the


 
NCAA tournament ?  Is that conference mark even likely/possible ?


 



 
I.e. is 10-8 conference after 10-2 n-c, meaning 20-10, even sufficient ?


 
Can we do 10-8 ?


 



 
Thanks for any enlightenment.


 



 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85


 
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  1 09:20:47 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 07:20:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] In need of a basketball expert
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Couple things to keep in mind about the current Sagarin ratings:

1) It's early, so the ratings are not "well-connected" yet, which means that Bayesian priors are still in play.?

2) The more accurate "Predictor" rating has us at 39, rather than 19. If you really want to start predicting wins and losses, that predictor value is the stat to use, but it's too early to put much faith in the ratings.

Still, it's nice to even be anywhere near a top 20 discussion!

Tom

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Dec  1 10:15:28 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:15:28 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Getting to the Tournament, IMHO
Message-ID: <004001ccb044$71e80ec0$55b82c40$@com>

Assuming we don't sneak up on Baylor....and get past Creighton - a former NCAA pick, we'll
start the Big 10 Season at 9-1.

We must win the following games, including an 8 game winning streak:
(yes they are presented out of date order)

01/01/12 	vs. Penn State * TV 	Evanston, Ill. 	6:00 p.m. CT
01/04/12 	vs. Illinois * TV 	Evanston, Ill. 	6:00 p.m. CT
01/28/12 	vs. Purdue * TV 		Evanston, Ill. 	3:00 p.m. CT
02/02/12 	vs. Nebraska * TV 	Evanston, Ill. 	6:00 p.m. CT
02/09/12 	vs. Iowa * TV 		Evanston, Ill. 	8:00 p.m. CT
02/12/12 	at Purdue TV 	 	West Lafayette, Ind. 	5:00 p.m. CT
02/15/12 	at Indiana * TV 		Bloomington, Ind. 5:30 p.m. CT
02/18/12 	vs. Minnesota * TV 	Evanston, Ill. 	6:00 p.m. CT
02/21/12 	vs. Michigan * TV 	Evanston, Ill. 	7:00 p.m. CT
02/25/12 	at Penn State * TV 	University Park, Pa. 	8:00 p.m. CT
03/03/12 	at Iowa * TV 		Iowa City, Iowa 	1:30 p.m. CT

Which puts us at 20-1, 11-0 in the Big 10. If we could somehow split the next 4 on the
list, we'd wind up 22-3, 13-2 in the Big 10.

01/11/12 	at Michigan * TV 		Ann Arbor, Mich. 	5:30 p.m. CT
01/14/12 	vs. Michigan State * TV Evanston, Ill. 	2:00 p.m. CT
01/22/12 	at Minnesota * TV 	Minneapolis, Minn.3:00 p.m. CT
02/05/12 	at Illinois * TV 		Champaign, Ill. 	2:00 p.m. CT

That leaves three real toughies (altho MSU won't be easy) 

12/28/11 	at Ohio State * TV 	Columbus, Ohio 	4:30 p.m. CT
01/18/12 	at Wisconsin * TV 	Madison, Wis. 	8:00 p.m. CT
02/29/12 	vs. Ohio State * TV 	Evanston, Ill. 	7:30 p.m. CT

Which leaves the Cats at 22-6/13-5 which should be enuff for a bid.

That is not to say that the Big 10 isn't better this year. There were a few stumbles in
the Big 10-ACC Challenge, but overall the "good guys" pretty well handled the competition.


BTW - I think beating Baylor Sunday would go a long way to turning up the heat on NU's
shot at the dance, and the most of the games in the last few weeks of our schedule are
winable, except for maybe that NBA team in Columbus at home on the 29th. 

Maybe we can declare that game null because it is on Sadie Hawkin's Day? (See Al Capp's
Lil' Abner)


Go Cats...

rsl


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From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  1 11:29:48 2011
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 11:29:48 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Getting to the Tournament, IMHO
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Roy, your math's a bit off--we have 12 non-conference games, for which 11-1
is a realistic goal.

13-5 in the conference (24-6 overall) would not only guarantee us a slot,
we'd be looking at a seeding in the #3-#5 range.  Alas, 13-5 is way too
optimistic, but 10-8 in conference is by all indications a realistic goal
for this year's team.


On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Roy S. Lamberton
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> Assuming we don't sneak up on Baylor....and get past Creighton - a former
> NCAA pick, we'll
> start the Big 10 Season at 9-1.
>
> We must win the following games, including an 8 game winning streak:
> (yes they are presented out of date order)
>
> 01/01/12        vs. Penn State * TV     Evanston, Ill.  6:00 p.m. CT
> 01/04/12        vs. Illinois * TV       Evanston, Ill.  6:00 p.m. CT
> 01/28/12        vs. Purdue * TV                 Evanston, Ill.  3:00 p.m.
> CT
> 02/02/12        vs. Nebraska * TV       Evanston, Ill.  6:00 p.m. CT
> 02/09/12        vs. Iowa * TV           Evanston, Ill.  8:00 p.m. CT
> 02/12/12        at Purdue TV            West Lafayette, Ind.    5:00 p.m.
> CT
> 02/15/12        at Indiana * TV                 Bloomington, Ind. 5:30
> p.m. CT
> 02/18/12        vs. Minnesota * TV      Evanston, Ill.  6:00 p.m. CT
> 02/21/12        vs. Michigan * TV       Evanston, Ill.  7:00 p.m. CT
> 02/25/12        at Penn State * TV      University Park, Pa.    8:00 p.m.
> CT
> 03/03/12        at Iowa * TV            Iowa City, Iowa         1:30 p.m.
> CT
>
> Which puts us at 20-1, 11-0 in the Big 10. If we could somehow split the
> next 4 on the
> list, we'd wind up 22-3, 13-2 in the Big 10.
>
> 01/11/12        at Michigan * TV                Ann Arbor, Mich.
>  5:30 p.m. CT
> 01/14/12        vs. Michigan State * TV Evanston, Ill.  2:00 p.m. CT
> 01/22/12        at Minnesota * TV       Minneapolis, Minn.3:00 p.m. CT
> 02/05/12        at Illinois * TV                Champaign, Ill.
> 2:00 p.m. CT
>
> That leaves three real toughies (altho MSU won't be easy)
>
> 12/28/11        at Ohio State * TV      Columbus, Ohio  4:30 p.m. CT
> 01/18/12        at Wisconsin * TV       Madison, Wis.   8:00 p.m. CT
> 02/29/12        vs. Ohio State * TV     Evanston, Ill.  7:30 p.m. CT
>
> Which leaves the Cats at 22-6/13-5 which should be enuff for a bid.
>
> That is not to say that the Big 10 isn't better this year. There were a
> few stumbles in
> the Big 10-ACC Challenge, but overall the "good guys" pretty well handled
> the competition.
>
>
> BTW - I think beating Baylor Sunday would go a long way to turning up the
> heat on NU's
> shot at the dance, and the most of the games in the last few weeks of our
> schedule are
> winable, except for maybe that NBA team in Columbus at home on the 29th.
>
> Maybe we can declare that game null because it is on Sadie Hawkin's Day?
> (See Al Capp's
> Lil' Abner)
>
>
> Go Cats...
>
> rsl

From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Dec  1 13:03:03 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 14:03:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned
Message-ID: <8CE7E72FC82B945-1214-1D289@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com>


Dan P. is to receive the National Football Foundation?s Mental Toughness Award on Feb. 20 at Halas Hall:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-persa-chandler-to-be-awarded-for-mental-toughness-20111201,0,1819452.story

Meanwhile, towards the latter part of last night's ESPNU broadcast of Wake's close win over Nebraska, the announcers were talking about the 'Cats W over Ga. Tech, and then noted that Shurna had poured in 25.  They then riffed on Shurna, saying that (a) he is "one of the top players in the country" and (b) is making a case for All-American honors.

Does anybody recall any NU hoops player ever receiving that type of praise and notoriety?  I don't; the closest I can think of was Evan Eschmeyer, but I don't think he ever was placed in the "top players" or "All-American" category.  We have a speial player--if he can stay healthy--and maybe he will take us to the promised land, in which case I propose that we change his "New Testament" name (John) to a more appropriate "Old Testament" moniker--Moses.  No religious agenda here, by the way.

Paul Levinson


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Dec  1 16:21:13 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 17:21:13 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned
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Don't know Shurna personally, but from what BC says about him, I somehow think he'd be embarrassed to be considered the "Moses" of NU basketball.

Besides, wasn't Juice supposed to lead the Cats to the promised land? Or did his Aaron lose his way on the road to his final season?

rsl

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=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
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=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:03 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned


Dan P. is to receive the National Football Foundation?s Mental Toughness Award on Feb. 20 at Halas Hall:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-persa-chandler-to-be-awarded-for-mental-toughness-20111201,0,1819452.story

Meanwhile, towards the latter part of last night's ESPNU broadcast of Wake's close win over Nebraska, the announcers were talking about the 'Cats W over Ga. Tech, and then noted that Shurna had poured in 25.  They then riffed on Shurna, saying that (a) he is "one of the top players in the country" and (b) is making a case for All-American honors.

Does anybody recall any NU hoops player ever receiving that type of praise and notoriety?  I don't; the closest I can think of was Evan Eschmeyer, but I don't think he ever was placed in the "top players" or "All-American" category.  We have a speial player--if he can stay healthy--and maybe he will take us to the promised land, in which case I propose that we change his "New Testament" name (John) to a more appropriate "Old Testament" moniker--Moses.  No religious agenda here, by the way.

Paul Levinson

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Dec  1 16:50:03 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 17:50:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Getting to the Tournament, IMHO
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Hey, I'm a Speech major. what do I know about math, but if you count all of the preseason
games, we could be 13-0 if we win them all - a tall order, but do-able IMHO. (NU
apparently is not counting Robert Morris, but is counting  Texas-PA in their totals so
far, since they are promoting tomorrow's game as a chance to go 7-0. 

 

But I guess I didn't count a couple of the early games on the schedule, I only pulled the
Big 10 schedule off the NU website.

 

I still think all those wins at the top are do-able (OK maybe not Minny) but the way we've
played to our competition so far means that we'll be should able to stick with everyone,
even dOSU at home if the wind is blowing from the Northwest.

 

And I still think that beating State Penn twice, and a win over Ill-noise at home (maybe
even a win over MSU at home)  will go a long way to impressing the selection guys.

 

rsl

 

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  Senior League Softball World Series

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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968

Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)

================================================

Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not

those of any organizations of which I am a member.

------------------------------------------------

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away

from those who are willing to work and give it to 

those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson

=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 

I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 

I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =

If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 

tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"

                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"

==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

 

 

From: Arthur Miller [mailto:artmiller1 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 12:30 PM
To: Roy S. Lamberton; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Getting to the Tournament, IMHO

 

Roy, your math's a bit off--we have 12 non-conference games, for which 11-1 is a realistic
goal.

 

13-5 in the conference (24-6 overall) would not only guarantee us a slot, we'd be looking
at a seeding in the #3-#5 range.  Alas, 13-5 is way too optimistic, but 10-8 in conference
is by all indications a realistic goal for this year's team.

 

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com> wrote:

Assuming we don't sneak up on Baylor....and get past Creighton - a former NCAA pick, we'll
start the Big 10 Season at 9-1.

We must win the following games, including an 8 game winning streak:
(yes they are presented out of date order)

01/01/12        vs. Penn State * TV     Evanston, Ill.  6:00 p.m. CT
01/04/12        vs. Illinois * TV       Evanston, Ill.  6:00 p.m. CT
01/28/12        vs. Purdue * TV                 Evanston, Ill.  3:00 p.m. CT
02/02/12        vs. Nebraska * TV       Evanston, Ill.  6:00 p.m. CT
02/09/12        vs. Iowa * TV           Evanston, Ill.  8:00 p.m. CT
02/12/12        at Purdue TV            West Lafayette, Ind.    5:00 p.m. CT
02/15/12        at Indiana * TV                 Bloomington, Ind. 5:30 p.m. CT
02/18/12        vs. Minnesota * TV      Evanston, Ill.  6:00 p.m. CT
02/21/12        vs. Michigan * TV       Evanston, Ill.  7:00 p.m. CT
02/25/12        at Penn State * TV      University Park, Pa.    8:00 p.m. CT
03/03/12        at Iowa * TV            Iowa City, Iowa         1:30 p.m. CT

Which puts us at 20-1, 11-0 in the Big 10. If we could somehow split the next 4 on the
list, we'd wind up 22-3, 13-2 in the Big 10.

01/11/12        at Michigan * TV                Ann Arbor, Mich.        5:30 p.m. CT
01/14/12        vs. Michigan State * TV Evanston, Ill.  2:00 p.m. CT
01/22/12        at Minnesota * TV       Minneapolis, Minn.3:00 p.m. CT
02/05/12        at Illinois * TV                Champaign, Ill.         2:00 p.m. CT

That leaves three real toughies (altho MSU won't be easy)

12/28/11        at Ohio State * TV      Columbus, Ohio  4:30 p.m. CT
01/18/12        at Wisconsin * TV       Madison, Wis.   8:00 p.m. CT
02/29/12        vs. Ohio State * TV     Evanston, Ill.  7:30 p.m. CT

Which leaves the Cats at 22-6/13-5 which should be enuff for a bid.

That is not to say that the Big 10 isn't better this year. There were a few stumbles in
the Big 10-ACC Challenge, but overall the "good guys" pretty well handled the competition.


BTW - I think beating Baylor Sunday would go a long way to turning up the heat on NU's
shot at the dance, and the most of the games in the last few weeks of our schedule are
winable, except for maybe that NBA team in Columbus at home on the 29th.

Maybe we can declare that game null because it is on Sadie Hawkin's Day? (See Al Capp's
Lil' Abner)


Go Cats...

rsl


From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Dec  1 16:57:57 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:57:57 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned
In-Reply-To: <002601ccb077$89abdb80$9d039280$@com>
Message-ID: <20111201225757.5E88E6533C@romaine.tssi.com>

Wiki says that EE was a consensus all-american in 1999.

Then you have to go back to the 30's and 40's:

Joe Reiff (31,33)
Otto Graham (44)
Max Morris (46)
--
Mike Nolan


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  1 17:04:27 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:04:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Getting to the Tournament, IMHO
In-Reply-To: <002701ccb07b$91237db0$b36a7910$@com>
References: <004001ccb044$71e80ec0$55b82c40$@com>
 <CAK_3xyJT+KG_rKLTw2LirLwOiethg4q8uj4wXaYBdyQ4gXojEw@mail.gmail.com>
 <002701ccb07b$91237db0$b36a7910$@com>
Message-ID: <1322780667.84356.YahooMailNeo@web161014.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

>I still think all those wins at the top are do-able (OK maybe not Minny)?

Minny's loss of Mbakwe for the season should greatly increase our chances of beating them. He's a guy we just don't match up well with.?

Tom


From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  1 17:11:07 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:11:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned
In-Reply-To: <20111201225757.5E88E6533C@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111201225757.5E88E6533C@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1322781067.45026.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

How about Jim Burns in the late 60s?




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To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Thu, December 1, 2011 4:57:57 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned

Wiki says that EE was a consensus all-american in 1999.

Then you have to go back to the 30's and 40's:

Joe Reiff (31,33)
Otto Graham (44)
Max Morris (46)
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Dec  1 17:19:44 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Charles Herron)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:19:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned
In-Reply-To: <1322781067.45026.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <20111201225757.5E88E6533C@romaine.tssi.com>
 <1322781067.45026.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CE7E96D8433600-1804-1F4E2@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com>

According to Wiki - Jim Burns was 3rd team All-American in 66-67.  Unfortunately, he was up against Lew Alcindor, Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld for first team honors.

Chuck Herron  Tech '85

 

 

 

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From: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>
To: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>; Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned


How about Jim Burns in the late 60s?









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From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>

To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>

Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com

Sent: Thu, December 1, 2011 4:57:57 PM

Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned



Wiki says that EE was a consensus all-american in 1999.



Then you have to go back to the 30's and 40's:



Joe Reiff (31,33)

Otto Graham (44)

Max Morris (46)

--

Mike Nolan



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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Dec  1 17:53:03 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 23:53:03 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned
In-Reply-To: <8CE7E96D8433600-1804-1F4E2@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com>
References: <20111201225757.5E88E6533C@romaine.tssi.com>
 <1322781067.45026.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
 <8CE7E96D8433600-1804-1F4E2@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <2019918317-1322783584-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-674123511-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Hey I bet he had better grades than those 3 (well maybe not) Lew AKA kareem was a fairly smart guy turning down $1million to stay in school when that was real money back then

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:19:44 
To: <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>; <nolan at tssi.com>; <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned

According to Wiki - Jim Burns was 3rd team All-American in 66-67.  Unfortunately, he was up against Lew Alcindor, Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld for first team honors.

Chuck Herron  Tech '85

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>
To: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>; Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned


How about Jim Burns in the late 60s?









________________________________

From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>

To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>

Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com

Sent: Thu, December 1, 2011 4:57:57 PM

Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned



Wiki says that EE was a consensus all-american in 1999.



Then you have to go back to the 30's and 40's:



Joe Reiff (31,33)

Otto Graham (44)

Max Morris (46)

--

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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec  1 18:51:26 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 16:51:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned
In-Reply-To: <2019918317-1322783584-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-674123511-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <20111201225757.5E88E6533C@romaine.tssi.com>
 <1322781067.45026.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
 <8CE7E96D8433600-1804-1F4E2@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com>
 <2019918317-1322783584-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-674123511-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1322787086.33994.YahooMailRC@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Maybe a draw.? Burns graduated from NU Law School and went on to become US 
Attorney for Northern Illinois.





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From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; 
eschoeman at sbcglobal.net; nolan at tssi.com; rstetson at capps-assoc.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Thu, December 1, 2011 5:53:03 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned

Hey I bet he had better grades than those 3 (well maybe not) Lew AKA kareem was 
a fairly smart guy turning down $1million to stay in school when that was real 
money back then

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 18:19:44 
To: <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>; <nolan at tssi.com>; <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned

According to Wiki - Jim Burns was 3rd team All-American in 66-67.? 
Unfortunately, he was up against Lew Alcindor, Elvin Hayes and Wes Unseld for 
first team honors.

Chuck Herron? Tech '85







-----Original Message-----
From: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>
To: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>; Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 6:11 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned


How about Jim Burns in the late 60s?









________________________________

From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>

To: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>

Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com

Sent: Thu, December 1, 2011 4:57:57 PM

Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned



Wiki says that EE was a consensus all-american in 1999.



Then you have to go back to the 30's and 40's:



Joe Reiff (31,33)

Otto Graham (44)

Max Morris (46)

--

Mike Nolan



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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Dec  1 19:09:38 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 01:09:38 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned
In-Reply-To: <002601ccb077$89abdb80$9d039280$@com>
References: <8CE7E72FC82B945-1214-1D289@webmail-m087.sysops.aol.com>
 <002601ccb077$89abdb80$9d039280$@com>
Message-ID: <1818677182-1322788143-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-98377551-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Actually, it coulda, shoulda been Coble.  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 17:21:13 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned

Don't know Shurna personally, but from what BC says about him, I somehow think he'd be embarrassed to be considered the "Moses" of NU basketball.

Besides, wasn't Juice supposed to lead the Cats to the promised land? Or did his Aaron lose his way on the road to his final season?

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of neonrye at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 2:03 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa Honored; Shurna Mentioned


Dan P. is to receive the National Football Foundation?s Mental Toughness Award on Feb. 20 at Halas Hall:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-persa-chandler-to-be-awarded-for-mental-toughness-20111201,0,1819452.story

Meanwhile, towards the latter part of last night's ESPNU broadcast of Wake's close win over Nebraska, the announcers were talking about the 'Cats W over Ga. Tech, and then noted that Shurna had poured in 25.  They then riffed on Shurna, saying that (a) he is "one of the top players in the country" and (b) is making a case for All-American honors.

Does anybody recall any NU hoops player ever receiving that type of praise and notoriety?  I don't; the closest I can think of was Evan Eschmeyer, but I don't think he ever was placed in the "top players" or "All-American" category.  We have a speial player--if he can stay healthy--and maybe he will take us to the promised land, in which case I propose that we change his "New Testament" name (John) to a more appropriate "Old Testament" moniker--Moses.  No religious agenda here, by the way.

Paul Levinson

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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Dec  1 23:26:59 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 23:26:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] more coaching news
Message-ID: <20111202052659.3E39365351@romaine.tssi.com>

Texas A&M has fired Mike Sherman after a 6-6 season.

Mike Leach has been hired at Washington State.

Rumors are floating that Carl Pelini, Nebraska's DC and the brother
of Bo Pelini, will be the new coach at Florida Atlantic, replacing
the retiring Howard Schnellenberger.  

Colorado State has fired its AD, which means that football coach
Steve Fairchild's status is a lot shakier than it was last week.

UCLA has received a waiver from the NCAA to play in a bowl game even 
if they lose the Pac-12 Championship game this weekend and fall to 6-7.
Neuheisel will not coach UCLA in a bowl game.
--
Mike Nolan


From litnhop at mac.com  Fri Dec  2 08:53:16 2011
From: litnhop at mac.com (Jason Morris)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 09:53:16 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
Message-ID: <BC68B4F6-E556-4C87-80A5-AB36720C257A@mac.com>

For those of you who thought, myself included, the whole "Persa Strong" campaign (no offense to Dan Persa himself) was more than a bit out of character for the NU Athletic Department take a look at this excerpt from one of Pat Forde's contributions on Yahoo Sports earlier this week (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_yard_dash_awards_112911):

"Unwise Expenditure of the Year: Northwestern (11), which ambitiously shelled out for purple dumb bells to be sent to Heisman voters before the season to hype quarterback Dan Persa. Problem was, Persa?s recovery from a 2010 Achilles tendon tear took longer than expected ? he missed the Wildcats? first three games and the team lurched to a 2-5 start. On the bright side, Northwestern at least gave flabby sports writers nationwide an opportunity to tone up their biceps."



Jason Morris
Riverdale, MD 20737
Northwestern University, BS Speech 1997
litnhop at mac.com



From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Fri Dec  2 09:06:49 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:06:49 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
In-Reply-To: <BC68B4F6-E556-4C87-80A5-AB36720C257A@mac.com>
References: <BC68B4F6-E556-4C87-80A5-AB36720C257A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu7V734-OehCjsMF7pHK-4Q2ZnbN2u6sA_iHUSTQQaKDZw@mail.gmail.com>

While the campaign clearly didn't work out so well with respect to Persa's
health, I am in the crowd that considers it a GOOD investment by the
university.  The real purposes were to promote Northwestern football and to
show recruits that NU is willing to hype its good players.  I believe it
succeeded on both of those fronts: those dumbbells had journalists across
the nation talking about NU football in early August despite the fact that
most of those same people were predicting NU to finish in the bottom half
of the conference standings.  And the campaign showed that NU is willing to
promote its players, something its rarely/never done (the only one I
remember is calling Damien Anderson a "Heisman candidate" on some posters
and pocket schedules back in 2001), and that will help recruiting down the
road.

I also can't fault NU for their timing: Persa experienced a setback in the
June/July timeframe which only came out well into the season, but the
campaign was drawn up back in April/May when he was on track.

Finally, it's not like Persa didn't perform when he did play, in Big Ten
play (regular season conference games only), he led the league in passing
yards/game (223.9), completion percentage (73.7%, which also leads the
nation), passing yards (1,791), completions (168), and is 2nd in passing
efficiency (154.1).  He's one of the most accurate college football
quarterbacks ever, and he deserves a little publicity.

Jonathan

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On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Jason Morris <litnhop at mac.com> wrote:

> For those of you who thought, myself included, the whole "Persa Strong"
> campaign (no offense to Dan Persa himself) was more than a bit out of
> character for the NU Athletic Department take a look at this excerpt from
> one of Pat Forde's contributions on Yahoo Sports earlier this week (
> http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_yard_dash_awards_112911
> ):
>
> "Unwise Expenditure of the Year: Northwestern (11), which ambitiously
> shelled out for purple dumb bells to be sent to Heisman voters before the
> season to hype quarterback Dan Persa. Problem was, Persa?s recovery from a
> 2010 Achilles tendon tear took longer than expected ? he missed the
> Wildcats? first three games and the team lurched to a 2-5 start. On the
> bright side, Northwestern at least gave flabby sports writers nationwide an
> opportunity to tone up their biceps."
>
>
>
> Jason Morris
> Riverdale, MD 20737
> Northwestern University, BS Speech 1997
> litnhop at mac.com
>
>
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Fri Dec  2 09:10:51 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:10:51 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] more coaching news
In-Reply-To: <20111202052659.3E39365351@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111202052659.3E39365351@romaine.tssi.com>
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Don't remember if this was mentioned earlier but the empty suit that is the
Memphis AD announced he will be retiring at the end of June 2012, which is
the best thing that has happened to Memphis football in the last 25 years.
Should improve their chances of landing a decent coach to replace the one
they just fired after two years on the job, although money will be tight as
next season they will be paying three head coaches. *

*It certainly seems like this year there are a lot more coaches getting
fired generally, and a whole lot more getting fired after just two years.
The money involved in football is now so great that schools are not willing
to give coaches a chance to build a program slowly, the one it needs to be
built for long-term success.  Kevin Wilson better have IU winning next year.
Mark
*


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*



On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> Texas A&M has fired Mike Sherman after a 6-6 season.
>
> Mike Leach has been hired at Washington State.
>
> Rumors are floating that Carl Pelini, Nebraska's DC and the brother
> of Bo Pelini, will be the new coach at Florida Atlantic, replacing
> the retiring Howard Schnellenberger.
>
> Colorado State has fired its AD, which means that football coach
> Steve Fairchild's status is a lot shakier than it was last week.
>
> UCLA has received a waiver from the NCAA to play in a bowl game even
> if they lose the Pac-12 Championship game this weekend and fall to 6-7.
> Neuheisel will not coach UCLA in a bowl game.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Dec  2 09:45:02 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:45:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] more coaching news
In-Reply-To: <CAPCH0EPHFeE2X2mHn=EV13D_jS+TLMh=+Oeg+w341khijNRpDw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111202154502.BB64564C0D@romaine.tssi.com>

> *It certainly seems like this year there are a lot more coaches getting
> fired generally, and a whole lot more getting fired after just two years.
> The money involved in football is now so great that schools are not willing
> to give coaches a chance to build a program slowly, the one it needs to be
> built for long-term success.  Kevin Wilson better have IU winning next year.

I don't think the number of fired coaches this year among the 120 FBS
schools has exceeded that of last year--yet.  Howard Schnellenberger
announced his retirement last summer, so that one probably shouldn't
be counted.  True retirements among FBS head coaches are relatively
rare, which is in itself a sad statement.  (Would Bobby Bowden have
counted as a 'retirement' or as a 'forced out, eg fired'?)

I have to wonder if JoePa had retired a year or two ago, as many thought
he should at the time, would he or Penn State have been so heavily
tainted by the Sandusky matter?

Penn State hired the former director of the FBI to look into the
problems there, will they hire Diogenes to help them find a new
football coach?  :-)
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Dec  2 09:56:44 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 09:56:44 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu7V734-OehCjsMF7pHK-4Q2ZnbN2u6sA_iHUSTQQaKDZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111202155644.E82FD65341@romaine.tssi.com>

I agree, the campaign flopped when Persa wasn't able to step back on 
the field in September, but seeing NU actually get out there and 
PROMOTE SOMETHING was fantastic!

Mr. Forde should do a piece on ALL the Heisman hopeful junk he's
gotten over the years, I bet it's a bunch!
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Dec  2 09:56:52 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:56:52 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] more coaching news
In-Reply-To: <20111202154502.BB64564C0D@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <CAPCH0EPHFeE2X2mHn=EV13D_jS+TLMh=+Oeg+w341khijNRpDw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20111202154502.BB64564C0D@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C8D22@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Nope.

Diogenes' standards are too high.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:45 AM
To: Sportsbiz
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] more coaching news

> *It certainly seems like this year there are a lot more coaches
getting
> fired generally, and a whole lot more getting fired after just two
years.
> The money involved in football is now so great that schools are not
willing
> to give coaches a chance to build a program slowly, the one it needs
to be
> built for long-term success.  Kevin Wilson better have IU winning next
year.

I don't think the number of fired coaches this year among the 120 FBS
schools has exceeded that of last year--yet.  Howard Schnellenberger
announced his retirement last summer, so that one probably shouldn't
be counted.  True retirements among FBS head coaches are relatively
rare, which is in itself a sad statement.  (Would Bobby Bowden have
counted as a 'retirement' or as a 'forced out, eg fired'?)

I have to wonder if JoePa had retired a year or two ago, as many thought
he should at the time, would he or Penn State have been so heavily
tainted by the Sandusky matter?

Penn State hired the former director of the FBI to look into the
problems there, will they hire Diogenes to help them find a new
football coach?  :-)
--
Mike Nolan

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Dec  2 10:03:41 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:03:41 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: tweet on passing of father of Jim Phillips
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22694@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

@NU_Sports: Our thoughts & prayers with AD Jim Phillips & his family after his father, John, passed away last night surrounded by family. #Northwestern


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Dec  2 10:27:43 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:27:43 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu7V734-OehCjsMF7pHK-4Q2ZnbN2u6sA_iHUSTQQaKDZw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BC68B4F6-E556-4C87-80A5-AB36720C257A@mac.com>
 <CAAxRJu7V734-OehCjsMF7pHK-4Q2ZnbN2u6sA_iHUSTQQaKDZw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001101ccb10f$524fd090$f6ef71b0$@com>

FWIW - the guy who came up with "Persa Strong" at NU just got promoted.

[but I can't find the link to the story on NUSports]

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:07 AM
To: Jason Morris
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign

While the campaign clearly didn't work out so well with respect to Persa's
health, I am in the crowd that considers it a GOOD investment by the
university.  The real purposes were to promote Northwestern football and to
show recruits that NU is willing to hype its good players.  I believe it
succeeded on both of those fronts: those dumbbells had journalists across
the nation talking about NU football in early August despite the fact that
most of those same people were predicting NU to finish in the bottom half
of the conference standings.  And the campaign showed that NU is willing to
promote its players, something its rarely/never done (the only one I
remember is calling Damien Anderson a "Heisman candidate" on some posters
and pocket schedules back in 2001), and that will help recruiting down the
road.

I also can't fault NU for their timing: Persa experienced a setback in the
June/July timeframe which only came out well into the season, but the
campaign was drawn up back in April/May when he was on track.

Finally, it's not like Persa didn't perform when he did play, in Big Ten
play (regular season conference games only), he led the league in passing
yards/game (223.9), completion percentage (73.7%, which also leads the
nation), passing yards (1,791), completions (168), and is 2nd in passing
efficiency (154.1).  He's one of the most accurate college football
quarterbacks ever, and he deserves a little publicity.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Jason Morris <litnhop at mac.com> wrote:

> For those of you who thought, myself included, the whole "Persa Strong"
> campaign (no offense to Dan Persa himself) was more than a bit out of
> character for the NU Athletic Department take a look at this excerpt from
> one of Pat Forde's contributions on Yahoo Sports earlier this week (
> http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_yard_dash_awards_112911
> ):
>
> "Unwise Expenditure of the Year: Northwestern (11), which ambitiously
> shelled out for purple dumb bells to be sent to Heisman voters before the
> season to hype quarterback Dan Persa. Problem was, Persa?s recovery from a
> 2010 Achilles tendon tear took longer than expected ? he missed the
> Wildcats? first three games and the team lurched to a 2-5 start. On the
> bright side, Northwestern at least gave flabby sports writers nationwide an
> opportunity to tone up their biceps."
>
>
>
> Jason Morris
> Riverdale, MD 20737
> Northwestern University, BS Speech 1997
> litnhop at mac.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Dec  2 10:43:02 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 10:43:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
In-Reply-To: <001101ccb10f$524fd090$f6ef71b0$@com>
Message-ID: <20111202164303.101AA64C0D@romaine.tssi.com>

> FWIW - the guy who came up with "Persa Strong" at NU just got promoted.

It was a great idea, though the slogan will never make the ranks of 
great campaign themes, and the timing sucked, which wasn't really NU's 
fault, as they had to get geared up for it before they knew if Dan 
would be ready to go in September.  

Was it a successful campaign?  I'm not even sure what criteria to
use for that.  Was it as blatant as when Joe Theisman announced his
name rhymes with Hiesman, when before everyone pronounced it
as 'Theesman'?  Did he finish in the top 3 that year?  

The promotion was deserved, though.
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Dec  2 10:44:52 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:44:52 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
In-Reply-To: <BC68B4F6-E556-4C87-80A5-AB36720C257A@mac.com>
References: <BC68B4F6-E556-4C87-80A5-AB36720C257A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C8D30@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

This article proved that the campaign WAS successful.

Failure would have been no coverage for NU.

Sure Persa isn't in the Heisman picture this year, but Persa was likely
a long shot even if he had started the season 100%.  Success isn't
whether Persa got the Heisman.  Success is the amount of favorable press
it generating for the program.

The author of this campaign clearly earned his promotion.

Hopefully we'll see more of this sort of innovative marketing which sets
NU apart.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Jason Morris
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 9:53 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign

For those of you who thought, myself included, the whole "Persa Strong"
campaign (no offense to Dan Persa himself) was more than a bit out of
character for the NU Athletic Department take a look at this excerpt
from one of Pat Forde's contributions on Yahoo Sports earlier this week
(http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_yard_dash_awar
ds_112911):

"Unwise Expenditure of the Year: Northwestern (11), which ambitiously
shelled out for purple dumb bells to be sent to Heisman voters before
the season to hype quarterback Dan Persa. Problem was, Persa's recovery
from a 2010 Achilles tendon tear took longer than expected - he missed
the Wildcats' first three games and the team lurched to a 2-5 start. On
the bright side, Northwestern at least gave flabby sports writers
nationwide an opportunity to tone up their biceps."



Jason Morris
Riverdale, MD 20737
Northwestern University, BS Speech 1997
litnhop at mac.com


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From litnhop at mac.com  Fri Dec  2 10:45:30 2011
From: litnhop at mac.com (Jason Morris)
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 11:45:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
In-Reply-To: <001101ccb10f$524fd090$f6ef71b0$@com>
References: <BC68B4F6-E556-4C87-80A5-AB36720C257A@mac.com>
 <CAAxRJu7V734-OehCjsMF7pHK-4Q2ZnbN2u6sA_iHUSTQQaKDZw@mail.gmail.com>
 <001101ccb10f$524fd090$f6ef71b0$@com>
Message-ID: <54E6779A-85D5-428A-A3A0-C4DB328904B0@mac.com>

Gentlemen,

Thanks for the feedback on my "Persa Strong" post. You've all made excellent arguments as to why such efforts should be seen in a positive light. I shall temper any future comments if, next summer, the NU Athletic Department gifts sportswriters across the country with a "Heisman Kaindidate" or "Heisman HurriKain" campaign.

Jason Morris
Riverdale, MD 20737
Northwestern University, BS Speech 1997
litnhop at mac.com


On Dec 2, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Roy S. Lamberton wrote:

> FWIW - the guy who came up with "Persa Strong" at NU just got promoted.
> 
> [but I can't find the link to the story on NUSports]
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
> Jonathan Hodges
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:07 AM
> To: Jason Morris
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
> 
> While the campaign clearly didn't work out so well with respect to Persa's
> health, I am in the crowd that considers it a GOOD investment by the
> university.  The real purposes were to promote Northwestern football and to
> show recruits that NU is willing to hype its good players.  I believe it
> succeeded on both of those fronts: those dumbbells had journalists across
> the nation talking about NU football in early August despite the fact that
> most of those same people were predicting NU to finish in the bottom half
> of the conference standings.  And the campaign showed that NU is willing to
> promote its players, something its rarely/never done (the only one I
> remember is calling Damien Anderson a "Heisman candidate" on some posters
> and pocket schedules back in 2001), and that will help recruiting down the
> road.
> 
> I also can't fault NU for their timing: Persa experienced a setback in the
> June/July timeframe which only came out well into the season, but the
> campaign was drawn up back in April/May when he was on track.
> 
> Finally, it's not like Persa didn't perform when he did play, in Big Ten
> play (regular season conference games only), he led the league in passing
> yards/game (223.9), completion percentage (73.7%, which also leads the
> nation), passing yards (1,791), completions (168), and is 2nd in passing
> efficiency (154.1).  He's one of the most accurate college football
> quarterbacks ever, and he deserves a little publicity.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> --
> Jonathan Hodges
> Contributor, HailToPurple
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> Twitter: @hailtopurple
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Jason Morris <litnhop at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> For those of you who thought, myself included, the whole "Persa Strong"
>> campaign (no offense to Dan Persa himself) was more than a bit out of
>> character for the NU Athletic Department take a look at this excerpt from
>> one of Pat Forde's contributions on Yahoo Sports earlier this week (
>> http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_yard_dash_awards_112911
>> ):
>> 
>> "Unwise Expenditure of the Year: Northwestern (11), which ambitiously
>> shelled out for purple dumb bells to be sent to Heisman voters before the
>> season to hype quarterback Dan Persa. Problem was, Persa?s recovery from a
>> 2010 Achilles tendon tear took longer than expected ? he missed the
>> Wildcats? first three games and the team lurched to a 2-5 start. On the
>> bright side, Northwestern at least gave flabby sports writers nationwide an
>> opportunity to tone up their biceps."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jason Morris
>> Riverdale, MD 20737
>> Northwestern University, BS Speech 1997
>> litnhop at mac.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Dec  2 10:46:18 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:46:18 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
Message-ID: <902122952-1322844391-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1118294812-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Theisman finished a very close second to Jim Plunkett though was drafted only 99th while Plunkett was first

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: Roy S. Lamberton
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
Sent: Dec 2, 2011 8:43 AM

> FWIW - the guy who came up with "Persa Strong" at NU just got promoted.

It was a great idea, though the slogan will never make the ranks of 
great campaign themes, and the timing sucked, which wasn't really NU's 
fault, as they had to get geared up for it before they knew if Dan 
would be ready to go in September.  

Was it a successful campaign?  I'm not even sure what criteria to
use for that.  Was it as blatant as when Joe Theisman announced his
name rhymes with Hiesman, when before everyone pronounced it
as 'Theesman'?  Did he finish in the top 3 that year?  

The promotion was deserved, though.
--
Mike Nolan

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Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Dec  2 10:57:39 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:57:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
In-Reply-To: <54E6779A-85D5-428A-A3A0-C4DB328904B0@mac.com>
References: <BC68B4F6-E556-4C87-80A5-AB36720C257A@mac.com>
 <CAAxRJu7V734-OehCjsMF7pHK-4Q2ZnbN2u6sA_iHUSTQQaKDZw@mail.gmail.com>
 <001101ccb10f$524fd090$f6ef71b0$@com>
 <54E6779A-85D5-428A-A3A0-C4DB328904B0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C8D31@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I think we should start working on it now.

Here are some others.

Kain is able.

Where can't he play?

Kain takes the U out of Coulter.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Jason Morris
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 11:46 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign

Gentlemen,

Thanks for the feedback on my "Persa Strong" post. You've all made
excellent arguments as to why such efforts should be seen in a positive
light. I shall temper any future comments if, next summer, the NU
Athletic Department gifts sportswriters across the country with a
"Heisman Kaindidate" or "Heisman HurriKain" campaign.

Jason Morris
Riverdale, MD 20737
Northwestern University, BS Speech 1997
litnhop at mac.com


On Dec 2, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Roy S. Lamberton wrote:

> FWIW - the guy who came up with "Persa Strong" at NU just got
promoted.
> 
> [but I can't find the link to the story on NUSports]
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of
> Jonathan Hodges
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 10:07 AM
> To: Jason Morris
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
> 
> While the campaign clearly didn't work out so well with respect to
Persa's
> health, I am in the crowd that considers it a GOOD investment by the
> university.  The real purposes were to promote Northwestern football
and to
> show recruits that NU is willing to hype its good players.  I believe
it
> succeeded on both of those fronts: those dumbbells had journalists
across
> the nation talking about NU football in early August despite the fact
that
> most of those same people were predicting NU to finish in the bottom
half
> of the conference standings.  And the campaign showed that NU is
willing to
> promote its players, something its rarely/never done (the only one I
> remember is calling Damien Anderson a "Heisman candidate" on some
posters
> and pocket schedules back in 2001), and that will help recruiting down
the
> road.
> 
> I also can't fault NU for their timing: Persa experienced a setback in
the
> June/July timeframe which only came out well into the season, but the
> campaign was drawn up back in April/May when he was on track.
> 
> Finally, it's not like Persa didn't perform when he did play, in Big
Ten
> play (regular season conference games only), he led the league in
passing
> yards/game (223.9), completion percentage (73.7%, which also leads the
> nation), passing yards (1,791), completions (168), and is 2nd in
passing
> efficiency (154.1).  He's one of the most accurate college football
> quarterbacks ever, and he deserves a little publicity.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> --
> Jonathan Hodges
> Contributor, HailToPurple
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> Twitter: @hailtopurple
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 9:53 AM, Jason Morris <litnhop at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> For those of you who thought, myself included, the whole "Persa
Strong"
>> campaign (no offense to Dan Persa himself) was more than a bit out of
>> character for the NU Athletic Department take a look at this excerpt
from
>> one of Pat Forde's contributions on Yahoo Sports earlier this week (
>>
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_yard_dash_award
s_112911
>> ):
>> 
>> "Unwise Expenditure of the Year: Northwestern (11), which ambitiously
>> shelled out for purple dumb bells to be sent to Heisman voters before
the
>> season to hype quarterback Dan Persa. Problem was, Persa's recovery
from a
>> 2010 Achilles tendon tear took longer than expected - he missed the
>> Wildcats' first three games and the team lurched to a 2-5 start. On
the
>> bright side, Northwestern at least gave flabby sports writers
nationwide an
>> opportunity to tone up their biceps."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Jason Morris
>> Riverdale, MD 20737
>> Northwestern University, BS Speech 1997
>> litnhop at mac.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
> _______________________________________________
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From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Dec  2 11:05:47 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 11:05:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
In-Reply-To: <902122952-1322844391-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1118294812-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20111202170547.C37CA64C89@romaine.tssi.com>

Thanks, Harry.  

As the Hypesman ceremony approaches:  55 minutes of tedium, 30 seconds of
suspense and 4 minutes and 30 seconds of bad speechmaking, I can't help 
but look to major league baseball's MVP awards as what the Heisman SHOULD BE,
honoring the player who MADE THE MOST DIFFERENCE TO HIS TEAM, not the
one most likely to be a top draft choice.  

Remember when Andre Dawson won the MVP despite the Cubs finishing
in last place and some writer commented that if it hadn't been for
Dawson they might have finished the season in AAA Des Moines?

Last year there was NO QUESTION in my mind that Persa was by far
the MVP for any FBS division team, the way he won the Iowa game and 
what happened to the team after he went down demonstrated that.  

That's why RG3 should probably not win this year, despite having had
some of the more memorable games and plays of the season.  But he went 
out with a concussion in last week's game and Baylor hardly broke stride.  

It's a good thing I don't have a Heisman ballot, right now I don't know 
who I'd vote for, probably NONE of the top 4-5 candidates on most
lists deserve it.  

Sadly, I'm afraid I might lean towards giving it to Russell Wilson, even 
though Wisconsin laid an egg in two games and the school can't seem to decide
whether to promote Wilson or 'Moneyball' as their best shot at the
trophy.

But then I'd be cringing waiting for the stories to start circulating 
about the reruiting abuses surrounding Wilson's transfer to Wisconsin, 
like the ones around last year's winner.
--
Mike Nolan





From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Dec  2 11:18:21 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:18:21 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
In-Reply-To: <20111202170547.C37CA64C89@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <902122952-1322844391-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1118294812-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
 <20111202170547.C37CA64C89@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C8D35@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Mike,

Couldn't agree with you more.

There was a rent-a-player era in baseball in the late 70's where Bill
Veck cobbled together White Sox teams of option-year players that other
teams didn't want to resign.

Seems like we are in a similar time with college ball where a player can
transfer to play their last eligible season with a high profile team in
order to enhance their NFL prospects.  How long before we end up with
whole "dream" teams of one-year players cherry picked to make a run at a
national championship.

It just further undermines the whole concept of the student athlete, as
if it wasn't pretty much a sham for many schools already.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:06 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign

Thanks, Harry.  

As the Hypesman ceremony approaches:  55 minutes of tedium, 30 seconds
of
suspense and 4 minutes and 30 seconds of bad speechmaking, I can't help 
but look to major league baseball's MVP awards as what the Heisman
SHOULD BE,
honoring the player who MADE THE MOST DIFFERENCE TO HIS TEAM, not the
one most likely to be a top draft choice.  

Remember when Andre Dawson won the MVP despite the Cubs finishing
in last place and some writer commented that if it hadn't been for
Dawson they might have finished the season in AAA Des Moines?

Last year there was NO QUESTION in my mind that Persa was by far
the MVP for any FBS division team, the way he won the Iowa game and 
what happened to the team after he went down demonstrated that.  

That's why RG3 should probably not win this year, despite having had
some of the more memorable games and plays of the season.  But he went 
out with a concussion in last week's game and Baylor hardly broke
stride.  

It's a good thing I don't have a Heisman ballot, right now I don't know 
who I'd vote for, probably NONE of the top 4-5 candidates on most
lists deserve it.  

Sadly, I'm afraid I might lean towards giving it to Russell Wilson, even

though Wisconsin laid an egg in two games and the school can't seem to
decide
whether to promote Wilson or 'Moneyball' as their best shot at the
trophy.

But then I'd be cringing waiting for the stories to start circulating 
about the reruiting abuses surrounding Wilson's transfer to Wisconsin, 
like the ones around last year's winner.
--
Mike Nolan




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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Fri Dec  2 11:40:01 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 12:40:01 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C8D35@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <902122952-1322844391-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1118294812-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
 <20111202170547.C37CA64C89@romaine.tssi.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C8D35@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu6vyt35LSkpQGTdxhb2Zk2VMeBtbx7J6V9ZOKBGNqbs5g@mail.gmail.com>

Note that Russell Wilson's situation was a bit unique: he wanted to play
minor league baseball in the spring (he was already drafted), but NC St.
head coach Tom O'Brien did not like that and said he would no longer be the
starting QB as of this season.  Wilson has been a solid student (he
graduated in 4 years) and is also a pretty solid guy off the field from
reports I've read.  He was essentially run off by his old school and used
the NCAA exemption that allows students with an undergraduate degree and a
year of eligibility left to transfer and study in a graduate program not
offered by their previous school and play immediately.  With coaches able
to break their contracts at any time I think students deserve some ability
to move without losing a year on the bench, and I think this is a
reasonable allowance towards that goal (especially since it requires the
player to graduate).

Now, not that it can't be abused - last year Jeremiah Masoli suited up for
Ole Miss after transferring from Oregon under the same exemption, but he
had essentially been kicked off of the Oregon football team due to off
field incidents.  The NCAA has looked into this situation but had to allow
it at the time as it was within the letter of the law.

I doubt this will lead to widespread use of this provision as it
essentially requires a player to have redshirted a year and graduate in 4
years while also wanting to transfer, and they must find a graduate program
not offered at their current school.  It will be interesting to see if this
ever comes into play for NU (which I doubt, especially now that NU can
offer mutli-year scholarships and will likely offer a full 4 years to most
recruits, thereby reducing chances of someone wanting to transfer).

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Couldn't agree with you more.
>
> There was a rent-a-player era in baseball in the late 70's where Bill
> Veck cobbled together White Sox teams of option-year players that other
> teams didn't want to resign.
>
> Seems like we are in a similar time with college ball where a player can
> transfer to play their last eligible season with a high profile team in
> order to enhance their NFL prospects.  How long before we end up with
> whole "dream" teams of one-year players cherry picked to make a run at a
> national championship.
>
> It just further undermines the whole concept of the student athlete, as
> if it wasn't pretty much a sham for many schools already.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:06 PM
> To: hakirsch at aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
>
> Thanks, Harry.
>
> As the Hypesman ceremony approaches:  55 minutes of tedium, 30 seconds
> of
> suspense and 4 minutes and 30 seconds of bad speechmaking, I can't help
> but look to major league baseball's MVP awards as what the Heisman
> SHOULD BE,
> honoring the player who MADE THE MOST DIFFERENCE TO HIS TEAM, not the
> one most likely to be a top draft choice.
>
> Remember when Andre Dawson won the MVP despite the Cubs finishing
> in last place and some writer commented that if it hadn't been for
> Dawson they might have finished the season in AAA Des Moines?
>
> Last year there was NO QUESTION in my mind that Persa was by far
> the MVP for any FBS division team, the way he won the Iowa game and
> what happened to the team after he went down demonstrated that.
>
> That's why RG3 should probably not win this year, despite having had
> some of the more memorable games and plays of the season.  But he went
> out with a concussion in last week's game and Baylor hardly broke
> stride.
>
> It's a good thing I don't have a Heisman ballot, right now I don't know
> who I'd vote for, probably NONE of the top 4-5 candidates on most
> lists deserve it.
>
> Sadly, I'm afraid I might lean towards giving it to Russell Wilson, even
>
> though Wisconsin laid an egg in two games and the school can't seem to
> decide
> whether to promote Wilson or 'Moneyball' as their best shot at the
> trophy.
>
> But then I'd be cringing waiting for the stories to start circulating
> about the reruiting abuses surrounding Wilson's transfer to Wisconsin,
> like the ones around last year's winner.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
>
>
>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Dec  2 13:22:34 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:22:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips' Father Loses His Dad
Message-ID: <8CE7F3EE0CDE144-D3C-893A@webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com>


"I have lost my hero."  Those were Jim Phillips' words, oon the passing of his father, John, at age 96:  http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-john-phillips-nu-ads-father-dies-i-have-lost-my-hero-20111202,0,2682706.story

I think all of us join in sending condolences to the entire Phillips Clan.  Anybody have any ideas how we can actually do so as a group--or individually?

Paul Levinson

From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Dec  2 13:23:37 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:23:37 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Oops on Jim Phillips
Message-ID: <8CE7F3F06742046-D3C-896F@webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com>

My "re" was a little confusing--bad editing--should have read "Jim Phillips Loses His Dad".

From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Dec  2 14:54:34 2011
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 15:54:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips/John Phillips
Message-ID: <725d.7a139d1d.3c0a950a@aol.com>

List Friends:
 
I just sent the following email to Annemarie Adams, Jim Phillips'  
assistant; Willie Weinbaum was kind enough to forward that information and her  
email address to me:  I hope it was OK to include the ListServe  address in the 
email.
   
Dear Ms. Adams:
 
I understand that you are Jim Phillips' assistant.  Please forward  this 
message to Jim, and let him know it is from the _nwu-sports at tssi.com_ 
(mailto:nwu-sports at tssi.com)  List Serve group and  from me personally (I have met 
him at various NU Sports functions in Tampa, NYC,  West Point and Boston 
College.).
 
Dear Jim:
 
As someone who lost "my hero" (my dad, Saul, who became a big 'Cat fan  
because of me) a little over a year ago at age 92, a few days before NU's win  
over Vanderbilt on the gridiron, I send you my heartfelt condolences.  He  
sounds like he was an amazing guy, and given your prolific efforts on behalf 
of  NU Athletics and the University in general, he must have been a profound 
role  model.   Know that all of us in the Northwestern community share your 
 loss, and hope that you and your family cherish his memory and that it 
gives you  strength in the days to come.
 
Sincerely,
 
Paul H. Levinson

 


From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Dec  2 15:40:42 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:40:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Juice & Sobo
Message-ID: <8CE7F522CE94CF4-B84-F2A2@webmail-m101.sysops.aol.com>

Check these posts from ESPN Chicago:  http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/colleges/

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Dec  2 19:50:19 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 20:50:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] who let the HS kids in?
Message-ID: <002101ccb15d$ea723590$bf56a0b0$@com>

Cats are pounding MV State

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Dec  2 20:07:56 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:07:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] All the starters are resting....
Message-ID: <002201ccb160$60f864d0$22e92e70$@com>

Except for Hearn.

Here's a shot for the backups to get some SERIOUS playing time.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Dec  2 20:43:26 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 21:43:26 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats tie 3 point record with 20
Message-ID: <002301ccb165$56581c50$030854f0$@com>

NU tuning up for Baylor, as the starters sit out 2nd half (except for Hearn).

8 Players hit for 3!.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========





From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 07:23:50 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 08:23:50 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats tie 3 point record with 20
In-Reply-To: <002301ccb165$56581c50$030854f0$@com>
References: <002301ccb165$56581c50$030854f0$@com>
Message-ID: <8CE7FD5ED707C42-2150-1F68F@webmail-d150.sysops.aol.com>

Roy and Gang,


   Good way to tune up for Baylor.  I missed the game due to a Friday night wedding, but evidently I didn't miss much. 59-21 at half when the starters were pulled? Wow. I'm looking forward to tomorrow afternoon.


   GO CATS!!   Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 2, 2011 4:44 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats tie 3 point record with 20


NU tuning up for Baylor, as the starters sit out 2nd half (except for Hearn).

8 Players hit for 3!.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========




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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 14:03:55 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 12:03:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I've seen enough ...
Message-ID: <1322942635.40684.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hou_ston is no longer allowed to even use the letters B(C)S in their name.

Should assure the Big Ten of an at-large bid unless TCU shoots up and Bedlam is close tonight.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 14:05:43 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 12:05:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] PS ...
Message-ID: <1322942743.31553.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

However, the B(C)S computers will likely still rank Hou_ton ahead of the winner tonight in Indy. Go Green! :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From martinitis at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 15:14:15 2011
From: martinitis at aol.com (Louis Martinaitis)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 13:14:15 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] I've seen enough ...
In-Reply-To: <1322942635.40684.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1322942635.40684.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2E19BE74-854A-4FD9-8186-B85B1A4C3223@aol.com>

Stephen , 

How does a close Bedlam game help Michigan. Wouldn't a blow out of Oklahoma better help Michigan leap frog into the top 14?

Lou. 



On Dec 3, 2011, at 12:03 PM, "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hou_ston is no longer allowed to even use the letters B(C)S in their name.
> 
> Should assure the Big Ten of an at-large bid unless TCU shoots up and Bedlam is close tonight.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>  
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 15:17:29 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Charles Herron)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 16:17:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
Message-ID: <8CE80181908D676-19A8-235D4@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>

I am going to guess that Houston losing to Southern Miss is good for the Big Ten, hence good for the Beloved 'Cats.  Am I correct to think this ?  Is it safe to root for Dantonio tonight and against Bielema ?  

Chuck Herron  Tech '85

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 16:35:34 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 17:35:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Garrick McGee in at UAB
In-Reply-To: <8CE80181908D676-19A8-235D4@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE80181908D676-19A8-235D4@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>
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   Former NU Offensive Coordinator Garrick McGee looks like he's taking the head job at UAB.  God help him.  Funding for an on-campus stadium denied and lousy facilities as well as trying to play in Conference USA with Sunbelt and !-AA players.  Good Luck with that...


GO CATS!!    Eric 



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I am going to guess that Houston losing to Southern Miss is good for the Big 
Ten, hence good for the Beloved 'Cats.  Am I correct to think this ?  Is it safe 
to root for Dantonio tonight and against Bielema ?  

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 17:31:55 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:31:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
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I think it helps Michigan's case somewhat ... though the computers will likely not drop Houston far, and thus they won't drop out of the top 14 (which would help UM jump into the necessary top 14 status) ... nor is USM likely to bypass the Wolverines.

It does help TCU, however, who will take the automatic non-AQ bid if they jump into the top 16.

As for tonight, the game we really need to hold our breaths for in Big Ten terms is the Bedlam game -- a close win by Okie State might not drop OU below Michigan and make them the other at-large berth. A win by OU would definitely hurt Michigan and make Okie State a likely at-large berth. So we need a solid Cowpoke win.

For Indy, it's safe to cheer for Dantonio (would actually be better since they're higher than UW and would knock the Badgers below the Wolverines) ... and always preferable to cheer against the Smug Smirk. After watching Chip Kelley keep his starters in to the end last night trying to score enough to make people forget that his Quackers allowed 31 points to UCLA, the Rose Bowl may not be big enough to hold the two egos if it's Chip Kelley vs. the Smug Smirk. Plus Sparty's had a long drought and got ripped off last year in the B(C)S process for the Big Ten's bids.

That said, I think the Badgers win by two scores. :(

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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 From: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
 
I am going to guess that Houston losing to Southern Miss is good for the Big Ten, hence good for the Beloved 'Cats.? Am I correct to think this ?? Is it safe to root for Dantonio tonight and against Bielema ?? 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 17:33:49 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 15:33:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Give CBS credit ...
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... their B(C)S hype machine didn't leave them totally blind so that they showed the "Honey Badger"s cocky flip of the ball to the ref BEFORE he crossed the goal line multiple times.

But now LSU finally got a first down, and a touchdown, off the turnover ... let the countdown to the Rematch Bow..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ... er, Bowl begin!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 17:57:06 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 23:57:06 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
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Stephen,

I am going to diverge from your prediction of Wisky by 14.  Logically, you are spot-on, but two factors lead me to a different conclusion.  First, I was very impressed by MSU's focus against us last week.  They could have taken the week off, but they didn't.  They are solid, especially on D. 

Second, and perhaps more importantly, they will be obsessed to smell the Roses.  Smirk amd crew just went to Pasadena, but Sparty lost out and ended up in Orlando.  They--and their fans (who scarfed up their allotment of tickets by midwee', while the Cheeseheads had not) will be hungrier--even with the revenge factor favoring UW.  

I predict MSU by a late field goal.  Maybe its my heart talking, not my head, but I prefer Dantonio over BB and like the way Cousins handles himself.


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I think it helps Michigan's case somewhat ... though the computers will likely not drop Houston far, and thus they won't drop out of the top 14 (which would help UM jump into the necessary top 14 status) ... nor is USM likely to bypass the Wolverines.

It does help TCU, however, who will take the automatic non-AQ bid if they jump into the top 16.

As for tonight, the game we really need to hold our breaths for in Big Ten terms is the Bedlam game -- a close win by Okie State might not drop OU below Michigan and make them the other at-large berth. A win by OU would definitely hurt Michigan and make Okie State a likely at-large berth. So we need a solid Cowpoke win.

For Indy, it's safe to cheer for Dantonio (would actually be better since they're higher than UW and would knock the Badgers below the Wolverines) ... and always preferable to cheer against the Smug Smirk. After watching Chip Kelley keep his starters in to the end last night trying to score enough to make people forget that his Quackers allowed 31 points to UCLA, the Rose Bowl may not be big enough to hold the two egos if it's Chip Kelley vs. the Smug Smirk. Plus Sparty's had a long drought and got ripped off last year in the B(C)S process for the Big Ten's bids.

That said, I think the Badgers win by two scores. :(

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



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 From: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
 
I am going to guess that Houston losing to Southern Miss is good for the Big Ten, hence good for the Beloved 'Cats.? Am I correct to think this ?? Is it safe to root for Dantonio tonight and against Bielema ?? 

Chuck Herron? Tech '85
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Dec  3 19:44:38 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 20:44:38 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Report Card
Message-ID: <E8B29A1798584668B0E6F6733183D014@dennismachine>

Cat Report Card

 

QB - A-  Dan Persa is the best quarterback in Northwestern history (sorry, Otto), but alas, his body did not allow his full ability to flourish this season.  He was still darn good regardless.  Kain Colter was a fine runner but at best an average passer.  I would like to see Trevor Siemian at QB next season.  This position appears deep for the next two seasons.

 

RB - C-  They made great strides this year, although most of that was due to improved blocking in the offensive line.  They did nothing outstanding but were generally able to go forward, and they maintained possession in the closing moments of the Nebraska game.  That said, no running back on this team kept opposing defensive coordinators up late at night.  Treyvon Green might have the physical tools to take over the position next year, but he made no one forget Tyrell Sutton this season.

 

WR - B-  It is a shame that Jeremy Ebert didn't even make second team all Big Ten.  He may well be the best wide receiver in Northwestern history, with all due apologies to Messrs. Flatley, Gissendaner, and Bates.  (OK, D'Wayne might make a case for himself.)  I expected more from the younger wideouts, but when you have Ebert and Dunsmore for targets, I can see where the younger ones might get left out.  Next year, they are IT, and I hope the crew includes Venric Mark and Kain Colter.

 

OL - C-  They improved on run blocking from the past two seasons, but they never took control of games despite their experience.  They gave up thirty-four sacks and did not stand up well to the league's better defensive lines.  Their performance against a weak Army defense was downright embarrassing.  The last three plays of the Michigan State game rather sums up their performance for the season.

 

TE - A  Drake Dunsmore is Northwestern's all-time tight end (or whatever you wish to call his position) and gets a good shot at the NFL next season.

 

DL - D-  Until the Nebraska game, their grade was so deep into the "F" range that an "A" game wouldn't have given them a passing grade.  They did gradually improve against the run as the season went on, and they did it with young players, which bodes well for next season (although two of those improved performances were against weak Rice and Minnesota teams).  Tyler Scott is a keeper against the run.  However, the pass rush was virtually non-existent.  The DL had a meager 10.5 sacks - the entire team only had 16 - and we managed only nineteen quarterback hits.  Vince Browne, a prime-timer on everyone's watch list at the beginning of the season, ended up a pine-timer watching the game.  Jack DiNardo tied Browne for the sack lead with three.  You're in trouble if a tackle leads your team in sacks, and I believe Browne's all came in pre-season.



LB - D  Like the DL, they improved with age, but they need a lot more aging.  They also need more heft in the middle and more speed on the outside.  McNaul and Johnson are the non-returnees next season.  (Is either a redshirt senior?)

 

DB - D-  I'll give them a passing grade for Brian Peters' play at strong safety.  Other than that, their pass coverage was a disaster.  Had Nebraska passed the entire game, we wouldn't have won.  We had eleven picks all season, and three of those were on dreadfully thrown gifts in the Michigan game.  On the other hand, our poor pass rush made the secondary's job a whole lot harder.

 

PK - C  Budzein didn't miss any extra points, but he only had ten field goal tries.  He missed four, two of which cost us a game.  (Iowa?  Illinois?  Can't recall.)  Fitz clearly had no confidence in him during the final half of the season.  The jury is still out on Mr. Jeff.

 

P - C  Was the punt going long or was it going short?  Consistency was not Brandon Williams' forte.  However, the coverage was decent for the second consecutive year, and no one broke one against us.

 

KO - B  Not many touchbacks unless the wind was at our backs, but the kickoff coverage was sound, and no one broke one against us.

 

KR - B-  Mark is always dangerous and had some good returns, and I can only recall one fumble, but we didn't break one either.

 

Coaching - C+  Why did it take until the eighth game for the defensive line to gel?  Why did we never develop a pass rush?  Why did we blow so many leads in the fourth quarter?  (I suggest the principle reason is size and strength differential.)  Why did we become so conservative on offense so often?  Why is our 2012 recruiting class so average?  There has to be smart four- and five-star players out there.

 

Overview - Fitz keeps improving the talent, but it is not yet good enough to take us to the Big Ten championship game.  Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Michigan State all have superior talent, and Nebraska was our "on-any-given-day" win that we would not want to replay.  (Army, it would seem, was our "on-any-given-day" loss that may cost us a bowl game.)  We fielded a solid offense but whose only dangerous runner was a substitute quarterback.  We had a woeful defense, late-season improvements notwithstanding, giving up 33.5 points a game in the conference and 27.25 overall.  We have to shave at least ten points off those totals next year, but we're going to need help to do it.

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 20:23:58 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 02:23:58 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU 22 Wisc 21
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This game is unbelievable--and not even halftime yet.  Wow!
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 20:25:36 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 02:25:36 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU 22 Wisc 21
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Reminds me of a 70's OSU - Michigan game. 2 conservative coaches 
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This game is unbelievable--and not even halftime yet.  Wow!
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 20:31:45 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 02:31:45 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU 22 Wisc 21
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Not Dantonio--he's a gambler on Special Teams.  And what about Wisky's HB option pass to Wilson.
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Reminds me of a 70's OSU - Michigan game. 2 conservative coaches 
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This game is unbelievable--and not even halftime yet.  Wow!
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 20:33:52 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 02:33:52 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU 22 Wisc 21
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I was being sarcastic.  
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Not Dantonio--he's a gambler on Special Teams.  And what about Wisky's HB option pass to Wilson.
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Reminds me of a 70's OSU - Michigan game. 2 conservative coaches 
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This game is unbelievable--and not even halftime yet.  Wow!
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 20:39:45 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 02:39:45 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU 22 Wisc 21
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Got it.  My bad, Harry.  All I keep thinking is how great this game is and how amazing it would be if 'Cats could play in one of these.
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I was being sarcastic.  
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Not Dantonio--he's a gambler on Special Teams.  And what about Wisky's HB option pass to Wilson.
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Reminds me of a 70's OSU - Michigan game. 2 conservative coaches 
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This game is unbelievable--and not even halftime yet.  Wow!
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From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 20:49:14 2011
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Art Miller)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 20:49:14 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU 22 Wisc 21
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I can't get into this game at all.  First, I don't care who wins.  Second, I can't shake the idea that this game should be happening outside in the East Lansing weather.  Now they're putting up points like a couple C-USA teams on a Thursday night.  Everything is wrong.


On Dec 3, 2011, at 8:39 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Got it.  My bad, Harry.  All I keep thinking is how great this game is and how amazing it would be if 'Cats could play in one of these.
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> I was being sarcastic.  
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> Not Dantonio--he's a gambler on Special Teams.  And what about Wisky's HB option pass to Wilson.
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> Reminds me of a 70's OSU - Michigan game. 2 conservative coaches 
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> This game is unbelievable--and not even halftime yet.  Wow!
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec  3 21:01:25 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:01:25 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] ABBA
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No, not the 70's musical group:

Anbody But "Bama Again!

Go Oklahoma State!

I guess I'm not surprised about Michigan State and Wisconsin,
MSU had the late season mojo.  
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 21:08:03 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 03:08:03 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU 22 Wisc 21
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Game should have been "lakeside" at Soldier Field.  Chicago is epicenter of B1G.  But Indy has grabbed ring as an all-sports capital.

And. Art, while I agree that at times game has resembled a track meet, it also features hard hitting, good blocking and tough inside running--i.e., B1G fb.
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I can't get into this game at all.  First, I don't care who wins.  Second, I can't shake the idea that this game should be happening outside in the East Lansing weather.  Now they're putting up points like a couple C-USA teams on a Thursday night.  Everything is wrong.


On Dec 3, 2011, at 8:39 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Got it.  My bad, Harry.  All I keep thinking is how great this game is and how amazing it would be if 'Cats could play in one of these.
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> I was being sarcastic.  
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> Sent: Dec 3, 2011 6:31 PM
> 
> Not Dantonio--he's a gambler on Special Teams.  And what about Wisky's HB option pass to Wilson.
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> Reminds me of a 70's OSU - Michigan game. 2 conservative coaches 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 21:32:45 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:32:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] MSU 22 Wisc 21
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I'm loving the title game so far - lots of fun, festive atmosphere with both fans, etc. And a heck of a game. You can tell that Sparty REALLY wants that title that they felt was taken from them last year. I'm also getting the feeling between this game and last year's Rose Bowl that the Smug Smirk does not have the Big Game Touch that Alvarez had (he seems to have trouble sticking to the script of pounding the ball).

As for it being in Indy, I know some have a problem with it, but I think it's really the best choice. Chicago is just not a good spot to stage a major sporting event. Especially one that happens within a week like this. Everything is spread out and tough to get to. Indy is centralized with the airport/hotels/food/stadium all nearby, easy to get to for the day-of-game fans as well and they have a staff that has experience handling big-game events -- from Final Fours to this year's Super Bowl. It's a natural fit and ?a perfect centralized choice. As for it not being outside, the Big XII games at Arrowhead seemed more miserable than classic for the fans and the Big Ten at least has teams with field turf and (until a couple years ago) a dome. The SEC is an all-grass (at least for major teams) league and plays their game indoors.

Okie State seems to be working their end, too, by thumping Oklahoma. I have no idea why Sparty and Bucky are not both top 10 teams at this point. The polls are pathetic if they don't have MSU, UW and UM all near the top 10 instead of these Lil' XII teams or Pac 12 teams.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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To: Art Miller <artmiller1 at gmail.com> 
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:08 PM
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Game should have been "lakeside" at Soldier Field.? Chicago is epicenter of B1G.? But Indy has grabbed ring as an all-sports capital.

And. Art, while I agree that at times game has resembled a track meet, it also features hard hitting, good blocking and tough inside running--i.e., B1G fb.
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I can't get into this game at all.? First, I don't care who wins.? Second, I can't shake the idea that this game should be happening outside in the East Lansing weather.? Now they're putting up points like a couple C-USA teams on a Thursday night.? Everything is wrong.


On Dec 3, 2011, at 8:39 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Got it.? My bad, Harry.? All I keep thinking is how great this game is and how amazing it would be if 'Cats could play in one of these.
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> Not Dantonio--he's a gambler on Special Teams.? And what about Wisky's HB option pass to Wilson.
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> Reminds me of a 70's OSU - Michigan game. 2 conservative coaches 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 21:41:25 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:41:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
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Oh, I'm cheering for Sparty all the way. They haven't been to Pasadena since the 80s and I respect Dantonio a heck of a lot more than the Smug Smirk.

This is turning into another great clash between these two teams. Wisky came out strong, Sparty answered and now Wisky has gotten back to within one.

I'll go with my comment from last week that few coaches understand momentum in a game as well as Dantonio - great calls on the 4th and 1 and such. He gambles at time, but picks his spots well on D and special teams.

As for the Smug Smirk, I'm not sure he doesn't get too cute when it comes to big games. Last year, he needed to stick to the script and pound TCU in Pasadena, but he panicked when they got down, went off script and got cute-sy. Same thing tonight except it was with a lead. UW gets up early and he goes away from the run. He's got a lot of pressure here because his boss (Barry Alvarez) was a great big-game coach. Bielema's already lost one more Rose Bowl than Barry and if he blows this second shot at Sparty this year before even getting to Pasadena with this loaded team, he might be feeling a small amount of heat in Madison.?

Couldn't happen to a smug-er guy.:)

Either way, I think either will be fine in Pasadena as long as they play Big Ten football. They have experienced QBs, so the array of blitzes from Oregon shouldn't phase them. And they should dominate both sides of the line -- so smash the ball down their throats and keep their speed off the field to make some Duck roadkill and continue to show why the computers are full of BS when they consistently rank Pac 12 and Lil' XII teams ahead of Big Ten teams (it's astounding MSU and Wisky are still in the teens with all of the losses by Oregon, Oklahoma and the like recently).

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
 
Stephen,

I am going to diverge from your prediction of Wisky by 14.? Logically, you are spot-on, but two factors lead me to a different conclusion.? First, I was very impressed by MSU's focus against us last week.? They could have taken the week off, but they didn't.? They are solid, especially on D. 

Second, and perhaps more importantly, they will be obsessed to smell the Roses.? Smirk amd crew just went to Pasadena, but Sparty lost out and ended up in Orlando.? They--and their fans (who scarfed up their allotment of tickets by midwee', while the Cheeseheads had not) will be hungrier--even with the revenge factor favoring UW.? 

I predict MSU by a late field goal.? Maybe its my heart talking, not my head, but I prefer Dantonio over BB and like the way Cousins handles himself.


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I think it helps Michigan's case somewhat ... though the computers will likely not drop Houston far, and thus they won't drop out of the top 14 (which would help UM jump into the necessary top 14 status) ... nor is USM likely to bypass the Wolverines.

It does help TCU, however, who will take the automatic non-AQ bid if they jump into the top 16.

As for tonight, the game we really need to hold our breaths for in Big Ten terms is the Bedlam game -- a close win by Okie State might not drop OU below Michigan and make them the other at-large berth. A win by OU would definitely hurt Michigan and make Okie State a likely at-large berth. So we need a solid Cowpoke win.

For Indy, it's safe to cheer for Dantonio (would actually be better since they're higher than UW and would knock the Badgers below the Wolverines) ... and always preferable to cheer against the Smug Smirk. After watching Chip Kelley keep his starters in to the end last night trying to score enough to make people forget that his Quackers allowed 31 points to UCLA, the Rose Bowl may not be big enough to hold the two egos if it's Chip Kelley vs. the Smug Smirk. Plus Sparty's had a long drought and got ripped off last year in the B(C)S process for the Big Ten's bids.

That said, I think the Badgers win by two scores. :(

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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From: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)

I am going to guess that Houston losing to Southern Miss is good for the Big Ten, hence good for the Beloved 'Cats.? Am I correct to think this ?? Is it safe to root for Dantonio tonight and against Bielema ?? 

Chuck Herron? Tech '85
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec  3 21:49:28 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 21:49:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
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> This is turning into another great clash between these two teams. Wisky came
> out strong, Sparty answered and now Wisky has gotten back to within one.

This is turning out to be the  most interesting game of the weekend,
unless you enjoy seeing teams like Texas and Oklahoma being ground into 
Goran dust.

It's looking like OSU plans to hang 50 or more on the Sooners.  

Last night's Northern Illinois - Ohio game kept my interest, but the
ending was all too familiar to followers of Frank Solich.  
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 21:56:35 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 03:56:35 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
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Ever since Dantonio had the heart attack, he seems more in control and focused on the sideline--and less angry.  He is really a helluva coach--the whole package--good recruiter, fine, balanced  O, superb D, outstanding Specials--and as you point out, great in-game tactician.  If Sparty can win this slugfest and then the Rose Bowl, and with Sweater Vest gone, I think he will get his due as top HC, for now, in BT.
But long way to go in Indy tonight.

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Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:41:25 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)

Oh, I'm cheering for Sparty all the way. They haven't been to Pasadena since the 80s and I respect Dantonio a heck of a lot more than the Smug Smirk.

This is turning into another great clash between these two teams. Wisky came out strong, Sparty answered and now Wisky has gotten back to within one.

I'll go with my comment from last week that few coaches understand momentum in a game as well as Dantonio - great calls on the 4th and 1 and such. He gambles at time, but picks his spots well on D and special teams.

As for the Smug Smirk, I'm not sure he doesn't get too cute when it comes to big games. Last year, he needed to stick to the script and pound TCU in Pasadena, but he panicked when they got down, went off script and got cute-sy. Same thing tonight except it was with a lead. UW gets up early and he goes away from the run. He's got a lot of pressure here because his boss (Barry Alvarez) was a great big-game coach. Bielema's already lost one more Rose Bowl than Barry and if he blows this second shot at Sparty this year before even getting to Pasadena with this loaded team, he might be feeling a small amount of heat in Madison.?

Couldn't happen to a smug-er guy.:)

Either way, I think either will be fine in Pasadena as long as they play Big Ten football. They have experienced QBs, so the array of blitzes from Oregon shouldn't phase them. And they should dominate both sides of the line -- so smash the ball down their throats and keep their speed off the field to make some Duck roadkill and continue to show why the computers are full of BS when they consistently rank Pac 12 and Lil' XII teams ahead of Big Ten teams (it's astounding MSU and Wisky are still in the teens with all of the losses by Oregon, Oklahoma and the like recently).

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
 
Stephen,

I am going to diverge from your prediction of Wisky by 14.? Logically, you are spot-on, but two factors lead me to a different conclusion.? First, I was very impressed by MSU's focus against us last week.? They could have taken the week off, but they didn't.? They are solid, especially on D. 

Second, and perhaps more importantly, they will be obsessed to smell the Roses.? Smirk amd crew just went to Pasadena, but Sparty lost out and ended up in Orlando.? They--and their fans (who scarfed up their allotment of tickets by midwee', while the Cheeseheads had not) will be hungrier--even with the revenge factor favoring UW.? 

I predict MSU by a late field goal.? Maybe its my heart talking, not my head, but I prefer Dantonio over BB and like the way Cousins handles himself.


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)

I think it helps Michigan's case somewhat ... though the computers will likely not drop Houston far, and thus they won't drop out of the top 14 (which would help UM jump into the necessary top 14 status) ... nor is USM likely to bypass the Wolverines.

It does help TCU, however, who will take the automatic non-AQ bid if they jump into the top 16.

As for tonight, the game we really need to hold our breaths for in Big Ten terms is the Bedlam game -- a close win by Okie State might not drop OU below Michigan and make them the other at-large berth. A win by OU would definitely hurt Michigan and make Okie State a likely at-large berth. So we need a solid Cowpoke win.

For Indy, it's safe to cheer for Dantonio (would actually be better since they're higher than UW and would knock the Badgers below the Wolverines) ... and always preferable to cheer against the Smug Smirk. After watching Chip Kelley keep his starters in to the end last night trying to score enough to make people forget that his Quackers allowed 31 points to UCLA, the Rose Bowl may not be big enough to hold the two egos if it's Chip Kelley vs. the Smug Smirk. Plus Sparty's had a long drought and got ripped off last year in the B(C)S process for the Big Ten's bids.

That said, I think the Badgers win by two scores. :(

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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From: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:17 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)

I am going to guess that Houston losing to Southern Miss is good for the Big Ten, hence good for the Beloved 'Cats.? Am I correct to think this ?? Is it safe to root for Dantonio tonight and against Bielema ?? 

Chuck Herron? Tech '85
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 21:57:16 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:57:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
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Yeah - should help the inaugural Big Ten title game get big ratings -- the other games have been duds today.

Oklahoma and VaTech better be ranked below the winner in Indy and the Wolverines. Ditto for Houston. And K-State too while we're at it. The Big Ten needs to go smack some respect out of those computers and voters.

I'm hoping the Cowpokes score 60 and get the title game shot ... and so should LSU. Bama already had their shot at #1 and in Tuscaloosa. I sure wouldn't want to give Saban a month to prep for a rematch.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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To: sjtruog at yahoo.com 
Cc: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>; Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
 
> This is turning into another great clash between these two teams. Wisky came
> out strong, Sparty answered and now Wisky has gotten back to within one.

This is turning out to be the? most interesting game of the weekend,
unless you enjoy seeing teams like Texas and Oklahoma being ground into 
Goran dust.

It's looking like OSU plans to hang 50 or more on the Sooners.? 

Last night's Northern Illinois - Ohio game kept my interest, but the
ending was all too familiar to followers of Frank Solich.? 
--
Mike Nolan

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 22:03:48 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 04:03:48 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
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I hope Fitz and McCall are taking not of Sparty's repeated--and successful--use of passes in the flat to their speedy WR's.  I could see Venric and Kain doing that all night in Purple.
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Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 19:41:25 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)

Oh, I'm cheering for Sparty all the way. They haven't been to Pasadena since the 80s and I respect Dantonio a heck of a lot more than the Smug Smirk.

This is turning into another great clash between these two teams. Wisky came out strong, Sparty answered and now Wisky has gotten back to within one.

I'll go with my comment from last week that few coaches understand momentum in a game as well as Dantonio - great calls on the 4th and 1 and such. He gambles at time, but picks his spots well on D and special teams.

As for the Smug Smirk, I'm not sure he doesn't get too cute when it comes to big games. Last year, he needed to stick to the script and pound TCU in Pasadena, but he panicked when they got down, went off script and got cute-sy. Same thing tonight except it was with a lead. UW gets up early and he goes away from the run. He's got a lot of pressure here because his boss (Barry Alvarez) was a great big-game coach. Bielema's already lost one more Rose Bowl than Barry and if he blows this second shot at Sparty this year before even getting to Pasadena with this loaded team, he might be feeling a small amount of heat in Madison.?

Couldn't happen to a smug-er guy.:)

Either way, I think either will be fine in Pasadena as long as they play Big Ten football. They have experienced QBs, so the array of blitzes from Oregon shouldn't phase them. And they should dominate both sides of the line -- so smash the ball down their throats and keep their speed off the field to make some Duck roadkill and continue to show why the computers are full of BS when they consistently rank Pac 12 and Lil' XII teams ahead of Big Ten teams (it's astounding MSU and Wisky are still in the teens with all of the losses by Oregon, Oklahoma and the like recently).

GO CATS!!!
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 From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)
 
Stephen,

I am going to diverge from your prediction of Wisky by 14.? Logically, you are spot-on, but two factors lead me to a different conclusion.? First, I was very impressed by MSU's focus against us last week.? They could have taken the week off, but they didn't.? They are solid, especially on D. 

Second, and perhaps more importantly, they will be obsessed to smell the Roses.? Smirk amd crew just went to Pasadena, but Sparty lost out and ended up in Orlando.? They--and their fans (who scarfed up their allotment of tickets by midwee', while the Cheeseheads had not) will be hungrier--even with the revenge factor favoring UW.? 

I predict MSU by a late field goal.? Maybe its my heart talking, not my head, but I prefer Dantonio over BB and like the way Cousins handles himself.


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I think it helps Michigan's case somewhat ... though the computers will likely not drop Houston far, and thus they won't drop out of the top 14 (which would help UM jump into the necessary top 14 status) ... nor is USM likely to bypass the Wolverines.

It does help TCU, however, who will take the automatic non-AQ bid if they jump into the top 16.

As for tonight, the game we really need to hold our breaths for in Big Ten terms is the Bedlam game -- a close win by Okie State might not drop OU below Michigan and make them the other at-large berth. A win by OU would definitely hurt Michigan and make Okie State a likely at-large berth. So we need a solid Cowpoke win.

For Indy, it's safe to cheer for Dantonio (would actually be better since they're higher than UW and would knock the Badgers below the Wolverines) ... and always preferable to cheer against the Smug Smirk. After watching Chip Kelley keep his starters in to the end last night trying to score enough to make people forget that his Quackers allowed 31 points to UCLA, the Rose Bowl may not be big enough to hold the two egos if it's Chip Kelley vs. the Smug Smirk. Plus Sparty's had a long drought and got ripped off last year in the B(C)S process for the Big Ten's bids.

That said, I think the Badgers win by two scores. :(

GO CATS!!!
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Subject: [NU Sports] This is good news (I hope)

I am going to guess that Houston losing to Southern Miss is good for the Big Ten, hence good for the Beloved 'Cats.? Am I correct to think this ?? Is it safe to root for Dantonio tonight and against Bielema ?? 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  3 22:57:15 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 20:57:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] What was Sparty thinking?
Message-ID: <1322974635.63315.YahooMailNeo@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Some questionable calls down the stretch ... none as much as rushing the punt at the end. They would have had it at midfield at least with 2 minutes. UGH!!!

Wisky better stick with the game plan and the Smug Smirk better not choke up and get cutesy again ... just pound the ball and make for some Ducks roadkill in Pasadena to win it for the Big Ten.

Heck of a title game ... what a heartbreaking end for Sparty.

Hopefully the pollsters wake up and give the league some respect. Wisky and Michigan should both be B(C)S bowling, leaving UNL for the Citrus, MSU for Tampa and so on. Looks like we're heading for Detroit.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sat Dec  3 23:05:02 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 00:05:02 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] What was Sparty thinking?
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Bowl update: Michigan looks to be in good shape to sneak into top 14 & get
BCS bid, but it will likely be close (Baylor may be close to jumping them
and TCU will likely be in top 16 to get non-AQ auto bid).

Rumor has it Houston may be interested in taking NU over PSU (thanks to
LakeThePosts).  We'll see how much truth there is to that come tomorrow.
If not, it's on to Detroit (Michigan in BCS all but locks NU into Detroit
at the lowest; San Francisco is only possible if Michigan doesn't make it
to a BCS game).

Jonathan

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On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 11:57 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Some questionable calls down the stretch ... none as much as rushing the
> punt at the end. They would have had it at midfield at least with 2
> minutes. UGH!!!
>
> Wisky better stick with the game plan and the Smug Smirk better not choke
> up and get cutesy again ... just pound the ball and make for some Ducks
> roadkill in Pasadena to win it for the Big Ten.
>
> Heck of a title game ... what a heartbreaking end for Sparty.
>
> Hopefully the pollsters wake up and give the league some respect. Wisky
> and Michigan should both be B(C)S bowling, leaving UNL for the Citrus, MSU
> for Tampa and so on. Looks like we're heading for Detroit.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sat Dec  3 23:15:27 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 00:15:27 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Cofield
Message-ID: <E2526983-5601-4DB0-93F3-8740D232DF55@gmail.com>

Nice article in the NY Times about the Cofield-Nick Mangold battles that have been going on since high school.  They continued of course through Cofield's time at NU, while Mangold was playing center for tOSU, and now while Mangold is with the Jets and Colfield with his new $36milion deal with the Redskins.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/03/sports/football/jets-mangold-and-redskins-cofield-squared-off-in-high-school.html?_r=1

Mark

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec  3 23:16:51 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 05:16:51 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] What was Sparty thinking?
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Agree completely.  Set up the return and go from there.  They only needed FG to get to OT.  By the way, not gaining another 5-8 yds at end of First Half was huge, given missed FG that really hurt.

This loss is enormous for MSU and Dantonio.  Not only do they fall from Rose to Outback, but this was the chance--perhaps the only opportunity--for Sparty to burnish its "brand" in football and to gain the edge on UMich, OSU. Wisky and the Huskers--at least for a moment.  They would have had prominence they hadn't seen since the '60's and Duffy Dougherty.  And now that window $ay have closed.  Guess they will always be a basketball school.
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Some questionable calls down the stretch ... none as much as rushing the punt at the end. They would have had it at midfield at least with 2 minutes. UGH!!!

Wisky better stick with the game plan and the Smug Smirk better not choke up and get cutesy again ... just pound the ball and make for some Ducks roadkill in Pasadena to win it for the Big Ten.

Heck of a title game ... what a heartbreaking end for Sparty.

Hopefully the pollsters wake up and give the league some respect. Wisky and Michigan should both be B(C)S bowling, leaving UNL for the Citrus, MSU for Tampa and so on. Looks like we're heading for Detroit.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 00:01:31 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 22:01:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] One last bowl guess ...
Message-ID: <1322978491.1788.YahooMailNeo@web121715.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... before the computers and Cartel sort this mess out tomorrow.

TITLE: LSU vs. Alabama - I hope the pollsters remember Urban Meyer's whines of 2007 and put Okie State here simply to avoid a rematch ... but it's an SEC world and we're all just living in it right now. If I'm the Tigers, I'm ticked because I already beat Bama on THEIR turf, so what happens if -- with a month to prepare -- Saban edges out The Hat in the rematch? B-C-MESS!

ROSE: Wisconsin vs. Oregon - The Ego Bowl between two brash, smug young coaches who each "got a job on third base and think they hit a triple." As long as the Smug Smirk of Cheddarland doesn't repeat his cutesy effort in Pasadena from a year ago and sticks to the script of ground and pound, the Badgers should manhandle Oregon ... just like every other halfway decent team the Ducks have faced in the past three years.

SUGAR: Michigan vs. West Virginia - The Sugar folks will sweat out the final rankings, but as long as Big Blue makes the cut, they're in over K-State or a free-falling Oklahoma. As for the foe, why take TCU when you can grab the Mountaineers (who'll bring more fans) and stage the Rich Rod Bowl, where both sides can wear blue and gold proudly and agree on how happy they are that Rich Rod is gone. Lots of offense, too!

FIESTA: Oklahoma State vs. Stanford - The Treez should get an automatic bid despite not playing anyone all year and the Cowpokes get snubbed for the title shot, meaning they meet out west in what will truly be a shootout. Hope the stadium in Glendale goes up to triple digits, because neither team has a D to speak of this year.

ORANGE: TCU vs. Clemson - The Tigers should at least fill more seats than the usual 10,000 that make it to the Orange Bowl these days ... and as long as TCU gets into the top 16, they get in over K-State or Oklahoma.

CITRUS: Nebraska vs. Arkansas - Not sure why the SEC seems set on the Piggies here and UGa in Dallas, but it could be a fun offensive shootout in Orlando. Not sure if the Husker D can keep up with Arkansas, however, meaning they'll need a few breaks to get the win.

OUTBACK: Michigan State vs. Auburn - It all depends on how Sparty treats this bowl. If they mope at the position slide like last year, it could be a loss ... but on paper at least, they should win this matchup against the defending national champs.

GATOR: Ohio State vs. Florida - It's the St. Urban of Sanctimonious Pomposity Bowl in Jacksonville and an attractive matchup in names and seats/ratings ... not sure how the game will go, as both teams make a lot of mistakes - but if the Buckeyes play like they did in Ann Arbor, they can win this.

INSIGHT: Iowa vs. Baylor - Not quite sure about their foe, but the Hogeyes appear to be headed to the desert for the holidays and will likely be a heavy underdog against whatever Lil' XII team winds up here (maybe a rematch with Iowa State? :) ) ... but Ferentz usually has his team ready as bowl longshots.

TEXAS: Penn State vs. Texas - Much like the Gator Bowl, the Houston Bowl simply has to take this matchup based on name recognition alone. PSU doesn't deserve to fall this far (they should be in Jacksonville on New Year's Day) and they could show up in a foul mood and bulldoze the Horns. But still, the bowl folks would have never dreamed they'd have the chance to take PSU or Texas, yet alone both in one year.

DALLAS: Purdue vs. Iowa State - The Cyclones probably deserve a higher bowl spot here, too, but it could be a fun start to bowl day with these two teams airing it out.

MOTOR CITY: Northwestern vs. Western Michigan - I would think it would be NU/NIU, but it seems the bowl in Detroit wants the Broncos ... regardless, we need to get the bowl win monkey off our back. Go Cats!

???: Illinois - They'll probably land a spot, but will be sweating it out.

GO CATS!!!
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 00:04:36 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 22:04:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl corex ...
Message-ID: <1322978676.16274.YahooMailNeo@web121719.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Oops - forgot that the Dallas bowl is no longer Big XII affiliated ... looks like it's CUSA and Tulsa then?

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Dec  4 10:55:01 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 11:55:01 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
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I agree that each of these situations has their particular spin, but it appears that players may be positioning themselves to take advantage of this "graduate with eligibility" rule.  In summary, the NCAA has said that if you graduate and still have a year of elibility left AND you can get the release from your current program, you can enroll in grad school at another Div I program and play immediately.  So if you are interested in an NFL career, it is to your advantage to take a red shirt year and work hard to graduate in four years.  If for some reason you aren't getting the visibility in your "undergrad" program that you feel you need, this gives you the opportunity  to play your "grad school" year for somebody else.  
 
What has changed lately is that major football programs have had success with these "one-year wonders".  
 
Russell Wilson, for example, appears to be a great person and is clearly a talented player, but do you honestly think that he would be in the Heisman running if he had finished his career at NC State?  Also the reason he is in the Heisman conversation is that Wisconsin would likely NOT be headed to the Rose Bowl if the RS freshman Joe Brennan (backup on the depth chart) or Jon Budmayr (injured Soph) were the starting QB.
 
Now we have ND's QB Crist following this same path.
 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ct-spt-1204-notre-dame-crist--20111204,0,1992457.story
 
You gotta figure that big time programs know which players potentially fall into this category and are tracking their progress as closely as they track the progress of prized prospective high school recruits.  
 
My concern is that if it does become widespread, the football programs who contend regularly for national championships may start to use the rest of Div I in the same way as some use JC programs today - minor leagues to develop talent.  
 
Jeff

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Note that Russell Wilson's situation was a bit unique: he wanted to play minor league baseball in the spring (he was already drafted), but NC St. head coach Tom O'Brien did not like that and said he would no longer be the starting QB as of this season.  Wilson has been a solid student (he graduated in 4 years) and is also a pretty solid guy off the field from reports I've read.  He was essentially run off by his old school and used the NCAA exemption that allows students with an undergraduate degree and a year of eligibility left to transfer and study in a graduate program not offered by their previous school and play immediately.  With coaches able to break their contracts at any time I think students deserve some ability to move without losing a year on the bench, and I think this is a reasonable allowance towards that goal (especially since it requires the player to graduate).

Now, not that it can't be abused - last year Jeremiah Masoli suited up for Ole Miss after transferring from Oregon under the same exemption, but he had essentially been kicked off of the Oregon football team due to off field incidents.  The NCAA has looked into this situation but had to allow it at the time as it was within the letter of the law.

I doubt this will lead to widespread use of this provision as it essentially requires a player to have redshirted a year and graduate in 4 years while also wanting to transfer, and they must find a graduate program not offered at their current school.  It will be interesting to see if this ever comes into play for NU (which I doubt, especially now that NU can offer mutli-year scholarships and will likely offer a full 4 years to most recruits, thereby reducing chances of someone wanting to transfer).

Jonathan

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On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:


	Mike,
	
	Couldn't agree with you more.
	
	There was a rent-a-player era in baseball in the late 70's where Bill
	Veck cobbled together White Sox teams of option-year players that other
	teams didn't want to resign.
	
	Seems like we are in a similar time with college ball where a player can
	transfer to play their last eligible season with a high profile team in
	order to enhance their NFL prospects.  How long before we end up with
	whole "dream" teams of one-year players cherry picked to make a run at a
	national championship.
	
	It just further undermines the whole concept of the student athlete, as
	if it wasn't pretty much a sham for many schools already.
	

	Jeff
	
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	On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
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	Subject: Re: [NU Sports] "Persa Strong" Campaign
	
	
	Thanks, Harry.
	
	As the Hypesman ceremony approaches:  55 minutes of tedium, 30 seconds
	of
	suspense and 4 minutes and 30 seconds of bad speechmaking, I can't help
	but look to major league baseball's MVP awards as what the Heisman
	SHOULD BE,
	honoring the player who MADE THE MOST DIFFERENCE TO HIS TEAM, not the
	one most likely to be a top draft choice.
	
	Remember when Andre Dawson won the MVP despite the Cubs finishing
	in last place and some writer commented that if it hadn't been for
	Dawson they might have finished the season in AAA Des Moines?
	
	Last year there was NO QUESTION in my mind that Persa was by far
	the MVP for any FBS division team, the way he won the Iowa game and
	what happened to the team after he went down demonstrated that.
	
	That's why RG3 should probably not win this year, despite having had
	some of the more memorable games and plays of the season.  But he went
	out with a concussion in last week's game and Baylor hardly broke
	stride.
	
	It's a good thing I don't have a Heisman ballot, right now I don't know
	who I'd vote for, probably NONE of the top 4-5 candidates on most
	lists deserve it.
	
	Sadly, I'm afraid I might lean towards giving it to Russell Wilson, even
	
	though Wisconsin laid an egg in two games and the school can't seem to
	decide
	whether to promote Wilson or 'Moneyball' as their best shot at the
	trophy.
	
	But then I'd be cringing waiting for the stories to start circulating
	about the reruiting abuses surrounding Wilson's transfer to Wisconsin,
	like the ones around last year's winner.
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From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Dec  4 12:24:19 2011
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:24:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat Report Card
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> P - C  Was the punt going long or was it going short?  Consistency was not Brandon Williams' forte.  However, the coverage was decent for the second consecutive year, and no one broke one against us.

Ummm, Keshawn Martin to end the first half against MSU? Giving up those 7 was a huge momentum shift in that game. It was a horrible punt and worse coverage. 

-Michael

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 12:27:16 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:27:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Houston?
Message-ID: <1323023236.97263.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

The only bowl projection posts I usually read are NU alum Mandel's -- which usually do quite well -- and he appears to now have NU on the Houston bandwagon as well.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/12/04/final-bowl-projections/index.html?sct=cf_t11_a1


It appears more people are alerting the Houston Bowl folks to the fact that Sandusky's last game was a PSU/ATM Alamo Bowl and it might not be the best publicity.?

Not sure about NU "jumping" there for a few reasons ...

1) It's Houston. And to quote my NU geography prof, "Houston is the 4th largest city in America and the 4,000th most interesting city in America."

2) It's a tougher foe than Detroit, and we'd be playing the Aggies in their backyard

3) It's not the greatest time slot ... noon on New Year's Eve ... though I guess at least NU would be used to that from the Big Ten's TV schedule

4) Have I mentioned it's in Houston?

5) It just doesn't seem right ... I know the bowls are not about what's right and all, but there's no way NU, Iowa or OSU should be accepting bowl bids ahead of Penn State, a 9-win, top 25 team whose players did nothing to deserve this fall to Dallas.

But a bowl is a bowl and beggars can't be choosy ... it's a bowl and it's in the recruiting hotbed of Texas, so if that's the way the Cartel is swinging, I guess it could be worse.

At least we know that with ATM's habit of blowing big leads this year and NU's habit of playing better once they get down by 14 or more, we could have an exciting finish.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Dec  4 12:31:40 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:31:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Houston?
In-Reply-To: <1323023236.97263.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1323023236.97263.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1323023500.90449.YahooMailRC@web83912.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

<But a bowl is a bowl and beggars can't be choosy>

I'd apply that to Detroit more than to Houston.






________________________________
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, December 4, 2011 12:27:16 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Houston?

The only bowl projection posts I usually read are NU alum Mandel's -- which 
usually do quite well -- and he appears to now have NU on the Houston bandwagon 
as well.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/12/04/final-bowl-projections/index.html?sct=cf_t11_a1



It appears more people are alerting the Houston Bowl folks to the fact that 
Sandusky's last game was a PSU/ATM Alamo Bowl and it might not be the best 
publicity.?

Not sure about NU "jumping" there for a few reasons ...

1) It's Houston. And to quote my NU geography prof, "Houston is the 4th largest 
city in America and the 4,000th most interesting city in America."

2) It's a tougher foe than Detroit, and we'd be playing the Aggies in their 
backyard

3) It's not the greatest time slot ... noon on New Year's Eve ... though I guess 
at least NU would be used to that from the Big Ten's TV schedule

4) Have I mentioned it's in Houston?

5) It just doesn't seem right ... I know the bowls are not about what's right 
and all, but there's no way NU, Iowa or OSU should be accepting bowl bids ahead 
of Penn State, a 9-win, top 25 team whose players did nothing to deserve this 
fall to Dallas.

But a bowl is a bowl and beggars can't be choosy ... it's a bowl and it's in the 
recruiting hotbed of Texas, so if that's the way the Cartel is swinging, I guess 
it could be worse.

At least we know that with ATM's habit of blowing big leads this year and NU's 
habit of playing better once they get down by 14 or more, we could have an 
exciting finish.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Dec  4 12:35:29 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:35:29 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] =?utf-8?q?Houston_=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <1323023236.97263.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1323023236.97263.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <abeb6420-713f-4494-9106-b13b7a8e1866@blur>

Houston area is Fitz old recruiting area, and home to several NU Football alums. (Rees,and more)

Great recruiting area in the past, still good area for the cats

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 18:27:16 GMT+00:00
Subject: [NU Sports] Houston?

The only bowl projection posts I usually read are NU alum Mandel's -- which usually do quite well -- and he appears to now have NU on the Houston bandwagon as well.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/12/04/final-bowl-projections/index.html?sct=cf_t11_a1


It appears more people are alerting the Houston Bowl folks to the fact that Sandusky's last game was a PSU/ATM Alamo Bowl and it might not be the best publicity.?

Not sure about NU "jumping" there for a few reasons ...

1) It's Houston. And to quote my NU geography prof, "Houston is the 4th largest city in America and the 4,000th most interesting city in America."

2) It's a tougher foe than Detroit, and we'd be playing the Aggies in their backyard

3) It's not the greatest time slot ... noon on New Year's Eve ... though I guess at least NU would be used to that from the Big Ten's TV schedule

4) Have I mentioned it's in Houston?

5) It just doesn't seem right ... I know the bowls are not about what's right and all, but there's no way NU, Iowa or OSU should be accepting bowl bids ahead of Penn State, a 9-win, top 25 team whose players did nothing to deserve this fall to Dallas.

But a bowl is a bowl and beggars can't be choosy ... it's a bowl and it's in the recruiting hotbed of Texas, so if that's the way the Cartel is swinging, I guess it could be worse.

At least we know that with ATM's habit of blowing big leads this year and NU's habit of playing better once they get down by 14 or more, we could have an exciting finish.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 13:13:43 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 19:13:43 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Houston?
In-Reply-To: <1323023236.97263.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1323023236.97263.YahooMailNeo@web121711.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Both guys at ESPN.com have us eating Pepperoni with Eminem.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 10:27:16 
To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Houston?

The only bowl projection posts I usually read are NU alum Mandel's -- which usually do quite well -- and he appears to now have NU on the Houston bandwagon as well.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/12/04/final-bowl-projections/index.html?sct=cf_t11_a1


It appears more people are alerting the Houston Bowl folks to the fact that Sandusky's last game was a PSU/ATM Alamo Bowl and it might not be the best publicity.?

Not sure about NU "jumping" there for a few reasons ...

1) It's Houston. And to quote my NU geography prof, "Houston is the 4th largest city in America and the 4,000th most interesting city in America."

2) It's a tougher foe than Detroit, and we'd be playing the Aggies in their backyard

3) It's not the greatest time slot ... noon on New Year's Eve ... though I guess at least NU would be used to that from the Big Ten's TV schedule

4) Have I mentioned it's in Houston?

5) It just doesn't seem right ... I know the bowls are not about what's right and all, but there's no way NU, Iowa or OSU should be accepting bowl bids ahead of Penn State, a 9-win, top 25 team whose players did nothing to deserve this fall to Dallas.

But a bowl is a bowl and beggars can't be choosy ... it's a bowl and it's in the recruiting hotbed of Texas, so if that's the way the Cartel is swinging, I guess it could be worse.

At least we know that with ATM's habit of blowing big leads this year and NU's habit of playing better once they get down by 14 or more, we could have an exciting finish.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Dec  4 14:49:51 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 15:49:51 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 10 minutes until game time
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F226F6@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

NU is listed in today's paper as a 3-1/2 point favorite over Baylor.

This note from the end of the Tribune's column:

No. 7 Baylor will be the highest-ranked nonconference opponent Northwestern has faced at home since Duke visited in 1989 and left with a 103-77 victory.

Northwestern had to get a waiver from school administrators to play Sunday's game because Monday is the beginning of finals week.

"Scheduling is rough," Carmody said. "But you have to get these games in."


From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 14:57:03 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 20:57:03 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 10 minutes until game time
Message-ID: <1247337348-1323032177-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-414312918-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Wonder how large student crowd will be with finals starting.  This game could make our season.
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Sent: Dec 4, 2011 3:49 PM

NU is listed in today's paper as a 3-1/2 point favorite over Baylor.

This note from the end of the Tribune's column:

No. 7 Baylor will be the highest-ranked nonconference opponent Northwestern has faced at home since Duke visited in 1989 and left with a 103-77 victory.

Northwestern had to get a waiver from school administrators to play Sunday's game because Monday is the beginning of finals week.

"Scheduling is rough," Carmody said. "But you have to get these games in."

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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Dec  4 15:18:43 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 15:18:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] 10 minutes until game time
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> Wonder how large student crowd will be with finals starting.  This game could make our season.

Can't really tell from the TV shots, looks like a decent crowd, but one
that is pretty quit so far, as the Cats started out in a bit of a hole
and are not shooting well so far.
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 15:22:30 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:22:30 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 10 minutes until game time
Message-ID: <733153640-1323033704-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1571279625-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Glad our student body has its priorities straight.:-). Let's start hitting those 3's!!!!
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 10 minutes until game time
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Student section is full and noisy. 



On Dec 4, 2011, at 2:57 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:

> Wonder how large student crowd will be with finals starting.  This game could make our season.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Weinbaum, Willie
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
> Subject: [NU Sports] 10 minutes until game time
> Sent: Dec 4, 2011 3:49 PM
> 
> NU is listed in today's paper as a 3-1/2 point favorite over Baylor.
> 
> This note from the end of the Tribune's column:
> 
> No. 7 Baylor will be the highest-ranked nonconference opponent Northwestern has faced at home since Duke visited in 1989 and left with a 103-77 victory.
> 
> Northwestern had to get a waiver from school administrators to play Sunday's game because Monday is the beginning of finals week.
> 
> "Scheduling is rough," Carmody said. "But you have to get these games in."
> 
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 15:56:16 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:56:16 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] 10 minutes until game time
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Down 17 at the break -- 38-21. Baylor so far has just been too athletic for
us. Shurna has pretty much been shut out.

You can see why Baylor is one of the top teams in the country. They are
good.

There's a second half to go, and hope springs eternal.

Go Cats!



On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 1:22 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Glad our student body has its priorities straight.:-). Let's start hitting
> those 3's!!!!
> ------Original Message------
> From: John Labbe
> To: neonrye at aol.com
> Cc: Weinbaum, Willie
> Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 10 minutes until game time
> Sent: Dec 4, 2011 4:14 PM
>
> Student section is full and noisy.
>
>
>
> On Dec 4, 2011, at 2:57 PM, neonrye at aol.com wrote:
>
> > Wonder how large student crowd will be with finals starting.  This game
> could make our season.
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Weinbaum, Willie
> > Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> > To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
> > Subject: [NU Sports] 10 minutes until game time
> > Sent: Dec 4, 2011 3:49 PM
> >
> > NU is listed in today's paper as a 3-1/2 point favorite over Baylor.
> >
> > This note from the end of the Tribune's column:
> >
> > No. 7 Baylor will be the highest-ranked nonconference opponent
> Northwestern has faced at home since Duke visited in 1989 and left with a
> 103-77 victory.
> >
> > Northwestern had to get a waiver from school administrators to play
> Sunday's game because Monday is the beginning of finals week.
> >
> > "Scheduling is rough," Carmody said. "But you have to get these games
> in."
> >
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 16:37:33 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Charles Herron)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:37:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Bowl Destination
Message-ID: <8CE80EC72F07EBE-19A8-36D42@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>

According to the Bowl website:

http://www.meinekecarcarebowloftexas.com/

We are Houston Bound for New Years !

Thank you Fitz, and Mr Philips !

Chuck Herron  Tech '85




From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 17:02:34 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:02:34 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Bowl Destination
In-Reply-To: <8CE80EC72F07EBE-19A8-36D42@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE80EC72F07EBE-19A8-36D42@Webmail-d109.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <478565557-1323039772-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1934446612-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Would have preferred my locale of SF, but happy we are going to a bowl.  Don't want another losing season,so here is a glass to breaking the 63 year drought 

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
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Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:37:33 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Bowl Destination

According to the Bowl website:

http://www.meinekecarcarebowloftexas.com/

We are Houston Bound for New Years !

Thank you Fitz, and Mr Philips !

Chuck Herron  Tech '85



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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 17:13:10 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:13:10 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Bowl Destination
Message-ID: <1697183398-1323040343-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-546820499-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Remember everyone that A & M just fired HC Mike Sherman, so who knows what they will do.  If we win, do we get double credit--for knocking off a Big XII and SEC team?
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ReplyTo: hakirsch at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Our Bowl Destination
Sent: Dec 4, 2011 6:02 PM

Would have preferred my locale of SF, but happy we are going to a bowl.  Don't want another losing season,so here is a glass to breaking the 63 year drought 

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:37:33 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Bowl Destination

According to the Bowl website:

http://www.meinekecarcarebowloftexas.com/

We are Houston Bound for New Years !

Thank you Fitz, and Mr Philips !

Chuck Herron  Tech '85



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From DPENDERG at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 17:33:07 2011
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:33:07 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Bowl Destination
Message-ID: <66c05.2803452c.3c0d5d32@aol.com>

I think we should not underestimate A&M at all.  They will be a  very tough 
bowl matchup.  They lost only by one to Oklahoma State and only  by 4 to 
Arkansas.  They whipped Baylor 55-28.  A high-powered offense  that has put a 
lot of points on the board not unlike the Texas Tech team the  Cats played 
last year.  We know how that bowl turned out.  A MAC  opponent would have 
given us a better chance to break the bowl curse.  
 
 
In a message dated 12/4/2011 6:03:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
hakirsch at aol.com writes:

Would  have preferred my locale of SF, but happy we are going to a bowl.  
Don't  want another losing season,so here is a glass to breaking the 63 year 
drought  

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original  Message-----
From: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
Sender:  nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:37:33 
To:  <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Bowl  Destination

According to the Bowl  website:

http://www.meinekecarcarebowloftexas.com/

We are  Houston Bound for New Years !

Thank you Fitz, and Mr Philips  !

Chuck Herron  Tech  '85



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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 17:50:43 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:50:43 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Bowl Destination
In-Reply-To: <66c05.2803452c.3c0d5d32@aol.com>
References: <66c05.2803452c.3c0d5d32@aol.com>
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They are like us (or at least us during the losing streak).  They were unable to finish.  We need to hang around in this game and not have our customary (other than Sun Bowl) lousy start in a bowl.  A & M has a fragile team psyche, probably exacerbated by Sherman's termination.  Let's send them off to the SEC with an L!  Go 'Cats!
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Our Bowl Destination

I think we should not underestimate A&M at all.  They will be a  very tough 
bowl matchup.  They lost only by one to Oklahoma State and only  by 4 to 
Arkansas.  They whipped Baylor 55-28.  A high-powered offense  that has put a 
lot of points on the board not unlike the Texas Tech team the  Cats played 
last year.  We know how that bowl turned out.  A MAC  opponent would have 
given us a better chance to break the bowl curse.  
 
 
In a message dated 12/4/2011 6:03:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
hakirsch at aol.com writes:

Would  have preferred my locale of SF, but happy we are going to a bowl.  
Don't  want another losing season,so here is a glass to breaking the 63 year 
drought  

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original  Message-----
From: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
Sender:  nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:37:33 
To:  <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Bowl  Destination

According to the Bowl  website:

http://www.meinekecarcarebowloftexas.com/

We are  Houston Bound for New Years !

Thank you Fitz, and Mr Philips  !

Chuck Herron  Tech  '85



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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Dec  4 18:30:26 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 19:30:26 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
Message-ID: <785C11E8D68C46FA8BBF6D661EEC7EB6@dennismachine>

Texas A&M 52  NU 28

It's going to be another frustrating bowl season.  And today reality sat upon the basketball team too.

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 19:25:43 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 01:25:43 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
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Right now the score is 0-0

Harry
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Texas A&M 52  NU 28

It's going to be another frustrating bowl season.  And today reality sat upon the basketball team too.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 19:52:36 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:52:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
Message-ID: <1323049956.65269.YahooMailNeo@web121718.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... that a playoff would diminish the regular season of college football.

The B(C)S has just done that, by dismissing LSU's win AT Alabama earlier this year and giving Nick Saban a month to prepare for a rematch.

Yawn.

It's nice that Michigan got chosen, but VaTech??? They couldn't even give us the RichRod Bowl???

The B(C)S has already made 99% of bowl games -- even the sacred Rose Bowl -- meaningless exhibitions played in front of 20,000+ empty seats.

Now they have rendered the regular season -- long considered the best argument against a playoff -- meaningless as well.

What a joke. The Big Ten and Pac 12 need to just withdraw from this joke and play 5-6 bowls between the two leagues in a bowl week leading up to the Rose Bowl. More people would tune in to that anyway.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Urban Meyer and his SEC ilk owe the Big Ten an apology for the anti-Michigan/OSU rematch whines of 2007 ... so do the voters that year ... at least that was a rematch people actually wanted to see.

I hope Bama wins by a field goal and shows everyone what a joke this B(C)S actually is.
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 20:14:03 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 02:14:03 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
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Alabama's only loss is by 3 points  to the #1 team in the country. Who else would qualify for #2 ? Oh and by the way they play in the toughest conference (5 straight BCS titles).  Hard to justify any other teams.  While Stanford,OKie State, Oregon or even Wisky might be better, they didn't prove it during the regular (and conference tourney) season

Harry
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Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...

... that a playoff would diminish the regular season of college football.

The B(C)S has just done that, by dismissing LSU's win AT Alabama earlier this year and giving Nick Saban a month to prepare for a rematch.

Yawn.

It's nice that Michigan got chosen, but VaTech??? They couldn't even give us the RichRod Bowl???

The B(C)S has already made 99% of bowl games -- even the sacred Rose Bowl -- meaningless exhibitions played in front of 20,000+ empty seats.

Now they have rendered the regular season -- long considered the best argument against a playoff -- meaningless as well.

What a joke. The Big Ten and Pac 12 need to just withdraw from this joke and play 5-6 bowls between the two leagues in a bowl week leading up to the Rose Bowl. More people would tune in to that anyway.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Urban Meyer and his SEC ilk owe the Big Ten an apology for the anti-Michigan/OSU rematch whines of 2007 ... so do the voters that year ... at least that was a rematch people actually wanted to see.

I hope Bama wins by a field goal and shows everyone what a joke this B(C)S actually is.
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From shawn.folkes at comcast.net  Sun Dec  4 21:37:58 2011
From: shawn.folkes at comcast.net (shawn.folkes at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 03:37:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
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Wait....isn't that what just happened to Michigan State because the Big Ten had it's first? playoff?? And, what was the point of Michigan State's original win over Wisconsin?? Didn't the Big Ten playoff diminish Michigan State's win.....?? 



Shawn Folkes 



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To: "NUSPORTS" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:52:36 PM 
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ... 

... that a playoff would diminish the regular season of college football. 

The B(C)S has just done that, by dismissing LSU's win AT Alabama earlier this year and giving Nick Saban a month to prepare for a rematch. 

Yawn. 

It's nice that Michigan got chosen, but VaTech??? They couldn't even give us the RichRod Bowl??? 

The B(C)S has already made 99% of bowl games -- even the sacred Rose Bowl -- meaningless exhibitions played in front of 20,000+ empty seats. 

Now they have rendered the regular season -- long considered the best argument against a playoff -- meaningless as well. 

What a joke. The Big Ten and Pac 12 need to just withdraw from this joke and play 5-6 bowls between the two leagues in a bowl week leading up to the Rose Bowl. More people would tune in to that anyway. 

GO CATS!!! 
-SjT 

PS - Urban Meyer and his SEC ilk owe the Big Ten an apology for the anti-Michigan/OSU rematch whines of 2007 ... so do the voters that year ... at least that was a rematch people actually wanted to see. 

I hope Bama wins by a field goal and shows everyone what a joke this B(C)S actually is. 
? 
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sjtruog at yahoo.com 
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!! 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 21:44:23 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 19:44:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
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But put yourself in LSU's shoes. You already beat Bama, AT Bama. You also won all of your other games. Now you play that Bama team again with a month to prepare?

What happens if Bama wins by a late field goal?

Basically, it's made the regular season meaningless -- something critics of a playoff always used to argue against a playoff.

The Lil XII may be overrated, but at least we haven't seen OSU/LSU (I would say Stanford, but they didn't win their league, and you should have to win your league title to win a national title, right Bama?).

The B(C)S has usually failed to deliver a clear #1 vs. #2 matchup, but they've escaped scrutiny most years because #1 has won the matchup and avoided a nightmare. And when OSU was the clear #1 in 2007 and lost, they did so badly and the SEC hype machine took over covering up the mess. But a close Bama win would expose the sham as a lot of AP voters might still want to vote LSU #1 since they won a game AT Bama earlier this year.

The B(C)S cartel is gonna be wearing purple and gold on the night of the "title" game.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - And the rankings overall? A joke. You mean to tell me that the Big Ten champ, who lost two games on the final play of the game, is only #10??? Behind South Carolina? K-State? Arkansas? REALLY???? DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!


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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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 From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
 
Alabama's only loss is by 3 points? to the #1 team in the country. Who else would qualify for #2 ? Oh and by the way they play in the toughest conference (5 straight BCS titles).? Hard to justify any other teams.? While Stanford,OKie State, Oregon or even Wisky might be better, they didn't prove it during the regular (and conference tourney) season

Harry
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Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...

... that a playoff would diminish the regular season of college football.

The B(C)S has just done that, by dismissing LSU's win AT Alabama earlier this year and giving Nick Saban a month to prepare for a rematch.

Yawn.

It's nice that Michigan got chosen, but VaTech??? They couldn't even give us the RichRod Bowl???

The B(C)S has already made 99% of bowl games -- even the sacred Rose Bowl -- meaningless exhibitions played in front of 20,000+ empty seats.

Now they have rendered the regular season -- long considered the best argument against a playoff -- meaningless as well.

What a joke. The Big Ten and Pac 12 need to just withdraw from this joke and play 5-6 bowls between the two leagues in a bowl week leading up to the Rose Bowl. More people would tune in to that anyway.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Urban Meyer and his SEC ilk owe the Big Ten an apology for the anti-Michigan/OSU rematch whines of 2007 ... so do the voters that year ... at least that was a rematch people actually wanted to see.

I hope Bama wins by a field goal and shows everyone what a joke this B(C)S actually is.
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 21:48:27 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 19:48:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
In-Reply-To: <1411034803.631128.1323056278435.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Exactly - a playoff did not diminish what happened in the regular season. But the B(C)S just has done that.

So the argument usually used AGAINST a playoff, has in fact been flipped.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



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 From: "shawn.folkes at comcast.net" <shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
 

Wait....isn't that what just happened to Michigan State because the Big Ten had it's first?playoff?? And, what was the point of Michigan State's original win over Wisconsin?? Didn't the Big Ten playoff diminish Michigan State's win.....?? 
?
Shawn Folkes


________________________________
 
From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: "NUSPORTS" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:52:36 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...

... that a playoff would diminish the regular season of college football.

The B(C)S has just done that, by dismissing LSU's win AT Alabama earlier this year and giving Nick Saban a month to prepare for a rematch.

Yawn.

It's nice that Michigan got chosen, but VaTech??? They couldn't even give us the RichRod Bowl???

The B(C)S has already made 99% of bowl games -- even the sacred Rose Bowl -- meaningless exhibitions played in front of 20,000+ empty seats.

Now they have rendered the regular season -- long considered the best argument against a playoff -- meaningless as well.

What a joke. The Big Ten and Pac 12 need to just withdraw from this joke and play 5-6 bowls between the two leagues in a bowl week leading up to the Rose Bowl. More people would tune in to that anyway.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Urban Meyer and his SEC ilk owe the Big Ten an apology for the anti-Michigan/OSU rematch whines of 2007 ... so do the voters that year ... at least that was a rematch people actually wanted to see.

I hope Bama wins by a field goal and shows everyone what a joke this B(C)S actually is.
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 21:56:23 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:56:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
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   Dennis and List Gang,


   Your right on both counts.  If A&M feels like playing we'll get our ass handed to us.  And to think I thought we'd finally play in a winnable game.  As far as the basketball team is concerned its better we get pounded now than in a month; hopefully we learned something other than the fact that they are better than us.  I'm OK with losing to a team in the Top 10, just so we learned a few things that will help us in conference play.  Look liked we bailed out on working the paint; looked like years past when we'd come down the court and fire up a 3. 


   I know I'm being negative about our bowl game, but I saw Iowa St. , Cal, Wake Forest, Rutgers, Toledo, Ohio and NIU as teams we could compete with. The one team I thought we'd have trouble with we get.  I don't get it. We've lost 8 in a row; can we , until we get the Gorilla off our back go after a team we can handle instead of the most attractive destination?


   Eric



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Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:30 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl


Texas A&M 52  NU 28

It's going to be another frustrating bowl season.  And today reality sat upon 
the basketball team too.
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 22:15:55 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:15:55 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
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First of all this is why I like the no playoff system ; the arguments and the discussions abound and no one can claim they are right.  In many years it allows more than 1 school to claim the title. Hard to imagine that happening this year

Secondly the regular season does have meaning. Just ask Okie state about their loss to ISU or Stanford about their loss at home to Oregon. And if The Tide had lost another game during the regular season they sure as heck wouldn't be playing for the title. Sure if they beat The Tigers,LSU has a beef that they beat them on the road and therefore they should not lose the #1 ranking. Well in my opinion too bad. The games at the end always count more than earlier games.  

In hoops where there is a true playoff system , several times the eventual champ beat a team in the finals that had beaten them earlier in the season.  Off the bat, I can think of Nova over G'town in 1985 and Kansas over OK in 1988

As an aside I would agree that the BT teams seemed to got shafted in the rankings-but good bowl showings will probably correct that. If they don't do well in the bowls,then the lower rankings may prove accurate

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 19:44:23 
To: hakirsch at aol.com<hakirsch at aol.com>; NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...

But put yourself in LSU's shoes. You already beat Bama, AT Bama. You also won all of your other games. Now you play that Bama team again with a month to prepare?

What happens if Bama wins by a late field goal?

Basically, it's made the regular season meaningless -- something critics of a playoff always used to argue against a playoff.

The Lil XII may be overrated, but at least we haven't seen OSU/LSU (I would say Stanford, but they didn't win their league, and you should have to win your league title to win a national title, right Bama?).

The B(C)S has usually failed to deliver a clear #1 vs. #2 matchup, but they've escaped scrutiny most years because #1 has won the matchup and avoided a nightmare. And when OSU was the clear #1 in 2007 and lost, they did so badly and the SEC hype machine took over covering up the mess. But a close Bama win would expose the sham as a lot of AP voters might still want to vote LSU #1 since they won a game AT Bama earlier this year.

The B(C)S cartel is gonna be wearing purple and gold on the night of the "title" game.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - And the rankings overall? A joke. You mean to tell me that the Big Ten champ, who lost two games on the final play of the game, is only #10??? Behind South Carolina? K-State? Arkansas? REALLY???? DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!


?
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



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 From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
 
Alabama's only loss is by 3 points? to the #1 team in the country. Who else would qualify for #2 ? Oh and by the way they play in the toughest conference (5 straight BCS titles).? Hard to justify any other teams.? While Stanford,OKie State, Oregon or even Wisky might be better, they didn't prove it during the regular (and conference tourney) season

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
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To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...

... that a playoff would diminish the regular season of college football.

The B(C)S has just done that, by dismissing LSU's win AT Alabama earlier this year and giving Nick Saban a month to prepare for a rematch.

Yawn.

It's nice that Michigan got chosen, but VaTech??? They couldn't even give us the RichRod Bowl???

The B(C)S has already made 99% of bowl games -- even the sacred Rose Bowl -- meaningless exhibitions played in front of 20,000+ empty seats.

Now they have rendered the regular season -- long considered the best argument against a playoff -- meaningless as well.

What a joke. The Big Ten and Pac 12 need to just withdraw from this joke and play 5-6 bowls between the two leagues in a bowl week leading up to the Rose Bowl. More people would tune in to that anyway.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Urban Meyer and his SEC ilk owe the Big Ten an apology for the anti-Michigan/OSU rematch whines of 2007 ... so do the voters that year ... at least that was a rematch people actually wanted to see.

I hope Bama wins by a field goal and shows everyone what a joke this B(C)S actually is.
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From shawn.folkes at comcast.net  Sun Dec  4 22:40:54 2011
From: shawn.folkes at comcast.net (shawn.folkes at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:40:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
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No, the opposite is true.? A playoff essentially took away Michigan State's right to the Big Ten championship.? 



I'm not arguing in favor of an LSU/Alabama rematch.? I don't think they should do a rematch.? But, I'm also? saying you can't hav e it both ways.? I'm really?disappointed the Big Ten has a championship game when it plays cross-division games during the regular season .? It makes? Michigan State's regular season win meaningless.? So, a? playoff system has issues too. ? ? 



Shawn ?? 



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To: "shawn folkes" <shawn.folkes at comcast.net> 
Cc: "NUSPORTS" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:48:27 PM 
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Exactly - a playoff did not diminish what happened in the regular season. But the B(C)S just has done that. 


So the argument usually used AGAINST a playoff, has in fact been flipped. 


GO CATS!!! 
-SjT 
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG 
sjtruog at yahoo.com 
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!! 
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 




From: "shawn.folkes at comcast.net" <shawn.folkes at comcast.net> 
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:37 PM 
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ... 





Wait....isn't that what just happened to Michigan State because the Big Ten had it's first?playoff?? And, what was the point of Michigan State's original win over Wisconsin?? Didn't the Big Ten playoff diminish Michigan State's win.....?? 
? 
Shawn Folkes 





From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
To: "NUSPORTS" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:52:36 PM 
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ... 

... that a playoff would diminish the regular season of college football. 

The B(C)S has just done that, by dismissing LSU's win AT Alabama earlier this year and giving Nick Saban a month to prepare for a rematch. 

Yawn. 

It's nice that Michigan got chosen, but VaTech??? They couldn't even give us the RichRod Bowl??? 

The B(C)S has already made 99% of bowl games -- even the sacred Rose Bowl -- meaningless exhibitions played in front of 20,000+ empty seats. 

Now they have rendered the regular season -- long considered the best argument against a playoff -- meaningless as well. 

What a joke. The Big Ten and Pac 12 need to just withdraw from this joke and play 5-6 bowls between the two leagues in a bowl week leading up to the Rose Bowl. More people would tune in to that anyway. 

GO CATS!!! 
-SjT 

PS - Urban Meyer and his SEC ilk owe the Big Ten an apology for the anti-Michigan/OSU rematch whines of 2007 ... so do the voters that year ... at least that was a rematch people actually wanted to see. 

I hope Bama wins by a field goal and shows everyone what a joke this B(C)S actually is. 
? 
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 22:47:52 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 04:47:52 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
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Let's not wallow in doom and gloom or implicitly criticize Phillips and Fitz for seeking a more challenging game and attractive venue (which dovetails with recruiting).  It just dawned on me that  A & M's foremost alumnus may be Rick Perry, former "yell" leader.   Let's show Gov. Perry some "northern hospitality" by kicking Aggie butt.   If we can beat A & M, the thought that it would upset that lamebrain would just add to my joy.

I have faith in Fitz, Persa, Ebert and Peters to bring home a win.  In Fitz we trust.  If we could handle the Huskers in Lincoln, we should be competitive with A & M, right?  This won't be easy, but it will be sweeter if we pull it off than beating up on a MAC team.  

So let's think positive and enjoy the moment.  Six weeks ago we couldn't have imagined being where we are now.
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

   Dennis and List Gang,


   Your right on both counts.  If A&M feels like playing we'll get our ass handed to us.  And to think I thought we'd finally play in a winnable game.  As far as the basketball team is concerned its better we get pounded now than in a month; hopefully we learned something other than the fact that they are better than us.  I'm OK with losing to a team in the Top 10, just so we learned a few things that will help us in conference play.  Look liked we bailed out on working the paint; looked like years past when we'd come down the court and fire up a 3. 


   I know I'm being negative about our bowl game, but I saw Iowa St. , Cal, Wake Forest, Rutgers, Toledo, Ohio and NIU as teams we could compete with. The one team I thought we'd have trouble with we get.  I don't get it. We've lost 8 in a row; can we , until we get the Gorilla off our back go after a team we can handle instead of the most attractive destination?


   Eric



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Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:30 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl


Texas A&M 52  NU 28

It's going to be another frustrating bowl season.  And today reality sat upon 
the basketball team too.
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Dec  4 23:09:26 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 05:09:26 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
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Michigan and LSU are slight favorites (1point) vs Va Tech  and Alabama, while Oregon (4 1/2) and OK State (3 1/2) are a bit more in the Rose and Fiesta Bowls
 
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Exactly - a playoff did not diminish what happened in the regular season. But the B(C)S just has done that.

So the argument usually used AGAINST a playoff, has in fact been flipped.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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 From: "shawn.folkes at comcast.net" <shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
 

Wait....isn't that what just happened to Michigan State because the Big Ten had it's first?playoff?? And, what was the point of Michigan State's original win over Wisconsin?? Didn't the Big Ten playoff diminish Michigan State's win.....?? 
?
Shawn Folkes


________________________________
 
From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: "NUSPORTS" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:52:36 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...

... that a playoff would diminish the regular season of college football.

The B(C)S has just done that, by dismissing LSU's win AT Alabama earlier this year and giving Nick Saban a month to prepare for a rematch.

Yawn.

It's nice that Michigan got chosen, but VaTech??? They couldn't even give us the RichRod Bowl???

The B(C)S has already made 99% of bowl games -- even the sacred Rose Bowl -- meaningless exhibitions played in front of 20,000+ empty seats.

Now they have rendered the regular season -- long considered the best argument against a playoff -- meaningless as well.

What a joke. The Big Ten and Pac 12 need to just withdraw from this joke and play 5-6 bowls between the two leagues in a bowl week leading up to the Rose Bowl. More people would tune in to that anyway.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Urban Meyer and his SEC ilk owe the Big Ten an apology for the anti-Michigan/OSU rematch whines of 2007 ... so do the voters that year ... at least that was a rematch people actually wanted to see.

I hope Bama wins by a field goal and shows everyone what a joke this B(C)S actually is.
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Dec  4 23:13:50 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 23:13:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
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All things considered, I think we'll match up better against Texas A&M
than we would have against Houston, despite their meltdown this past weekend.
And I think they'll be a team that thinks it has to prove itself all over again,
and what better way to do it than knocking off a Big Ten team?

Western Michigan would probably have been a team we'd have matched up 
well against, though I think the downside of such a game is you often
don't impress by winning and you look bad by losing.

I think a Saturday late morning game may get a few more viewers than a 
Wednesday afternoon game would have, too.

I almost missed our New Years Morning kickoff in the Outback Bowl, though.
Somehow I got the time wrong in my head and I was still working on brunch 
in the kitchen.  Good thing the DVR was already set.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 23:38:14 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:38:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
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Exactly ... I'm sure I'll take more than a few more shots at Houston (and btw, I would much rather attend a football game in Ford Field than any place in Houston :) ) and it is a tough matchup ... BUT ...

* It will be great to see Persa, Ebert, Dunsmore and more take the field in purple one more time
* It is a bigger "name" matchup for our profile when we get the win
* It is in a recruiting hotbed area and can only help get our name out there
* It is another example of Phillips and Fitz selling NU well enough to move up over where we'd have been in other years

A lot to be thankful for as an NU fan and something that didn't look very likely a month or so ago.

Bring on the Aggies! GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
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 From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; tbng at comcast.net; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
 
Let's not wallow in doom and gloom or implicitly criticize Phillips and Fitz for seeking a more challenging game and attractive venue (which dovetails with recruiting).? It just dawned on me that? A & M's foremost alumnus may be Rick Perry, former "yell" leader.?  Let's show Gov. Perry some "northern hospitality" by kicking Aggie butt.?  If we can beat A & M, the thought that it would upset that lamebrain would just add to my joy.

I have faith in Fitz, Persa, Ebert and Peters to bring home a win.? In Fitz we trust.? If we could handle the Huskers in Lincoln, we should be competitive with A & M, right?? This won't be easy, but it will be sweeter if we pull it off than beating up on a MAC team.? 

So let's think positive and enjoy the moment.? Six weeks ago we couldn't have imagined being where we are now.
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

?  Dennis and List Gang,


?  Your right on both counts.? If A&M feels like playing we'll get our ass handed to us.? And to think I thought we'd finally play in a winnable game.? As far as the basketball team is concerned its better we get pounded now than in a month; hopefully we learned something other than the fact that they are better than us.? I'm OK with losing to a team in the Top 10, just so we learned a few things that will help us in conference play.? Look liked we bailed out on working the paint; looked like years past when we'd come down the court and fire up a 3. 


?  I know I'm being negative about our bowl game, but I saw Iowa St. , Cal, Wake Forest, Rutgers, Toledo, Ohio and NIU as teams we could compete with. The one team I thought we'd have trouble with we get.? I don't get it. We've lost 8 in a row; can we , until we get the Gorilla off our back go after a team we can handle instead of the most attractive destination?


?  Eric



-----Original Message-----
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To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:30 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl


Texas A&M 52? NU 28

It's going to be another frustrating bowl season.? And today reality sat upon 
the basketball team too.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  4 23:48:18 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:48:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
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Not sure you can determine a regular season champ using an 8-game schedule out of 12 teams ... yeah, MSU was 7-1 and UW 6-2, but had they played a full rotation, who knows.

Sparty lost out on Pasadena last year using some rulebook tiebreaker ... this year at least they had a chance to make it to Pasadena on the field.

Their regular season matchup was still one of the best games of the year and exciting. The upsets like NU over UNL were just as shocking. And the big games like UW/PSU just as meaningful.

The people in favor of a playoff have never claimed that it would make the regular season less exciting or less meaningful (and I would argue that league title games have shown that it doesn't) ... but OPPONENTS of a playoff system have used those claims.?

And they are now the ones who have rendered a regular season "game of the century" meaningless by giving Alabama a second shot at LSU and a title if they win. They're the ones with the hypocrisy here.

So the B(C)S has destroyed the bowl tradition and now it has also destroyed the "every game counts" mirage of the regular season ... what defense is there of this system again??? A playoff would make more money. A playoff would do no more harm on the "student" in student athlete. A playoff would keep all of the controversy and talk over who was left out, who had an easier road, etc.. A playoff would keep all of the meaning and excitement of the regular season games.

The B(C)S couldn't even get the RichRod Bowl right and gave us VaTech/Michigan. Yawn.

This is a crap-tastic new low for this system. I am now fully donning elephant headgear and rooting for Slick Nick Saban to win the rematch and national title so we hear the uproar from the Bayou about how ridiculous it is. Maybe once an SEC school gets robbed like that, maybe then the people will wake up and realize how truly awful this "worst of both worlds" system actually is. B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - On the plus side, an SEC team will finally lose a title game this year. :)
?
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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________________________________
 From: "shawn.folkes at comcast.net" <shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:40 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
 

No, the opposite is true.? A playoff essentially took away Michigan State's right to the Big Ten championship.?
?
I'm not arguing in favor of an LSU/Alabama rematch.? I don't think they should do a rematch.? But, I'm also?saying you can't have it both ways.? I'm really?disappointed the Big Ten has a championship game when it plays cross-division games during the regular season.? It makes?Michigan State's regular season win meaningless.? So, a?playoff system has issues too.?? 
?
Shawn?? 


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From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: "shawn folkes" <shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
Cc: "NUSPORTS" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:48:27 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...


Exactly - a playoff did not diminish what happened in the regular season. But the B(C)S just has done that.

So the argument usually used AGAINST a playoff, has in fact been flipped.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions! 
________________________________
 


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To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com> 
Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...


 
Wait....isn't that what just happened to Michigan State because the Big Ten had it's first?playoff?? And, what was the point of Michigan State's original win over Wisconsin?? Didn't the Big Ten playoff diminish Michigan State's win.....?? 
?
Shawn Folkes


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To: "NUSPORTS" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:52:36 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...

... that a playoff would diminish the regular season of college football.

The B(C)S has just done that, by dismissing LSU's win AT Alabama earlier this year and giving Nick Saban a month to prepare for a rematch.

Yawn.

It's nice that Michigan got chosen, but VaTech??? They couldn't even give us the RichRod Bowl???

The B(C)S has already made 99% of bowl games -- even the sacred Rose Bowl -- meaningless exhibitions played in front of 20,000+ empty seats.

Now they have rendered the regular season -- long considered the best argument against a playoff -- meaningless as well.

What a joke. The Big Ten and Pac 12 need to just withdraw from this joke and play 5-6 bowls between the two leagues in a bowl week leading up to the Rose Bowl. More people would tune in to that anyway.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Urban Meyer and his SEC ilk owe the Big Ten an apology for the anti-Michigan/OSU rematch whines of 2007 ... so do the voters that year ... at least that was a rematch people actually wanted to see.

I hope Bama wins by a field goal and shows everyone what a joke this B(C)S actually is.
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 23:57:03 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:57:03 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
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You know, Stephen, you want to be, um, careful with your logic ... because
we didn't play Ohio State in 1995 ... but we absolutely -- thanks to Tim
Biakabatuka and those 323 rushing yards, were regular-season champions of
the Big Ten.

On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:48 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Not sure you can determine a regular season champ using an 8-game schedule
> out of 12 teams ... yeah, MSU was 7-1 and UW 6-2, but had they played a
> full rotation, who knows.
>
> Sparty lost out on Pasadena last year using some rulebook tiebreaker ...
> this year at least they had a chance to make it to Pasadena on the field.
>
> Their regular season matchup was still one of the best games of the year
> and exciting. The upsets like NU over UNL were just as shocking. And the
> big games like UW/PSU just as meaningful.
>
> The people in favor of a playoff have never claimed that it would make the
> regular season less exciting or less meaningful (and I would argue that
> league title games have shown that it doesn't) ... but OPPONENTS of a
> playoff system have used those claims.
>
> And they are now the ones who have rendered a regular season "game of the
> century" meaningless by giving Alabama a second shot at LSU and a title if
> they win. They're the ones with the hypocrisy here.
>
> So the B(C)S has destroyed the bowl tradition and now it has also
> destroyed the "every game counts" mirage of the regular season ... what
> defense is there of this system again??? A playoff would make more money. A
> playoff would do no more harm on the "student" in student athlete. A
> playoff would keep all of the controversy and talk over who was left out,
> who had an easier road, etc.. A playoff would keep all of the meaning and
> excitement of the regular season games.
>
> The B(C)S couldn't even get the RichRod Bowl right and gave us
> VaTech/Michigan. Yawn.
>
> This is a crap-tastic new low for this system. I am now fully donning
> elephant headgear and rooting for Slick Nick Saban to win the rematch and
> national title so we hear the uproar from the Bayou about how ridiculous it
> is. Maybe once an SEC school gets robbed like that, maybe then the people
> will wake up and realize how truly awful this "worst of both worlds" system
> actually is. B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> PS - On the plus side, an SEC team will finally lose a title game this
> year. :)
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: "shawn.folkes at comcast.net" <shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
> To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
>
>
> No, the opposite is true.  A playoff essentially took away Michigan
> State's right to the Big Ten championship.
>
> I'm not arguing in favor of an LSU/Alabama rematch.  I don't think they
> should do a rematch.  But, I'm also saying you can't have it both ways.
> I'm really disappointed the Big Ten has a championship game when it plays
> cross-division games during the regular season.  It makes Michigan State's
> regular season win meaningless.  So, a playoff system has issues too.
>
> Shawn
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> To: "shawn folkes" <shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
> Cc: "NUSPORTS" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:48:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
>
>
> Exactly - a playoff did not diminish what happened in the regular season.
> But the B(C)S just has done that.
>
> So the argument usually used AGAINST a playoff, has in fact been flipped.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: "shawn.folkes at comcast.net" <shawn.folkes at comcast.net>
> To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:37 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
>
>
>
> Wait....isn't that what just happened to Michigan State because the Big
> Ten had it's first playoff?  And, what was the point of Michigan State's
> original win over Wisconsin?  Didn't the Big Ten playoff diminish Michigan
> State's win.....?
>
> Shawn Folkes
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> To: "NUSPORTS" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 7:52:36 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] Never again should we hear ...
>
> ... that a playoff would diminish the regular season of college football.
>
> The B(C)S has just done that, by dismissing LSU's win AT Alabama earlier
> this year and giving Nick Saban a month to prepare for a rematch.
>
> Yawn.
>
> It's nice that Michigan got chosen, but VaTech??? They couldn't even give
> us the RichRod Bowl???
>
> The B(C)S has already made 99% of bowl games -- even the sacred Rose Bowl
> -- meaningless exhibitions played in front of 20,000+ empty seats.
>
> Now they have rendered the regular season -- long considered the best
> argument against a playoff -- meaningless as well.
>
> What a joke. The Big Ten and Pac 12 need to just withdraw from this joke
> and play 5-6 bowls between the two leagues in a bowl week leading up to the
> Rose Bowl. More people would tune in to that anyway.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> PS - Urban Meyer and his SEC ilk owe the Big Ten an apology for the
> anti-Michigan/OSU rematch whines of 2007 ... so do the voters that year ...
> at least that was a rematch people actually wanted to see.
>
> I hope Bama wins by a field goal and shows everyone what a joke this B(C)S
> actually is.
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Sun Dec  4 23:58:52 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:58:52 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
In-Reply-To: <1323063494.36767.YahooMailNeo@web121712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <785C11E8D68C46FA8BBF6D661EEC7EB6@dennismachine>
 <8CE8118FD06C292-1C3C-2762F@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com>
 <678994500-1323060425-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1309025576-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
 <1323063494.36767.YahooMailNeo@web121712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Everybody -- don't be so quick to knock Houston. I've been there lots of
times. It's a really big town with a lot to do. And great food.


On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 9:38 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Exactly ... I'm sure I'll take more than a few more shots at Houston (and
> btw, I would much rather attend a football game in Ford Field than any
> place in Houston :) ) and it is a tough matchup ... BUT ...
>
> * It will be great to see Persa, Ebert, Dunsmore and more take the field
> in purple one more time
> * It is a bigger "name" matchup for our profile when we get the win
> * It is in a recruiting hotbed area and can only help get our name out
> there
> * It is another example of Phillips and Fitz selling NU well enough to
> move up over where we'd have been in other years
>
> A lot to be thankful for as an NU fan and something that didn't look very
> likely a month or so ago.
>
> Bring on the Aggies! GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
> To: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com;
> tbng at comcast.net; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
>
> Let's not wallow in doom and gloom or implicitly criticize Phillips and
> Fitz for seeking a more challenging game and attractive venue (which
> dovetails with recruiting).  It just dawned on me that  A & M's foremost
> alumnus may be Rick Perry, former "yell" leader.   Let's show Gov. Perry
> some "northern hospitality" by kicking Aggie butt.   If we can beat A & M,
> the thought that it would upset that lamebrain would just add to my joy.
>
> I have faith in Fitz, Persa, Ebert and Peters to bring home a win.  In
> Fitz we trust.  If we could handle the Huskers in Lincoln, we should be
> competitive with A & M, right?  This won't be easy, but it will be sweeter
> if we pull it off than beating up on a MAC team.
>
> So let's think positive and enjoy the moment.  Six weeks ago we couldn't
> have imagined being where we are now.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:56:23
> To: <tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
>
>    Dennis and List Gang,
>
>
>    Your right on both counts.  If A&M feels like playing we'll get our ass
> handed to us.  And to think I thought we'd finally play in a winnable
> game.  As far as the basketball team is concerned its better we get pounded
> now than in a month; hopefully we learned something other than the fact
> that they are better than us.  I'm OK with losing to a team in the Top 10,
> just so we learned a few things that will help us in conference play.  Look
> liked we bailed out on working the paint; looked like years past when we'd
> come down the court and fire up a 3.
>
>
>    I know I'm being negative about our bowl game, but I saw Iowa St. ,
> Cal, Wake Forest, Rutgers, Toledo, Ohio and NIU as teams we could compete
> with. The one team I thought we'd have trouble with we get.  I don't get
> it. We've lost 8 in a row; can we , until we get the Gorilla off our back
> go after a team we can handle instead of the most attractive destination?
>
>
>    Eric
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
> To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:30 pm
> Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
>
>
> Texas A&M 52  NU 28
>
> It's going to be another frustrating bowl season.  And today reality sat
> upon
> the basketball team too.
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Dec  5 10:47:08 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 10:47:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] coaching caravan continues
Message-ID: <20111205164708.9787A64960@romaine.tssi.com>

Pat Hill finally ran out of giants he could kill at Fresno State and has
been fired after 15 years.  His dismal record against rival Boise State
probably didn't help his case.

As expected Colorado State has fired coach Steve Fairchild, who lost
his patron when AD Paul Kowalczyk was fired last week.

Carl Pelini, Nebraska's defensive coordinator, has been announced
as the new head coach at Florida Atlantic, replacing Howard
Schnellenberger, the man who built FAU's football program from the 
ground up, literally, but announced he would retire at the end of 
the season, FAU struggled to a 1-11 record this season.  
--
Mike Nolan


From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 12:40:12 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 13:40:12 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] coaching caravan continues
In-Reply-To: <20111205164708.9787A64960@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111205164708.9787A64960@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <CAPCH0ENA_0m7mwHAk-4mDNcJ+nOxtGeTiAsZT1=riK5m2cU5Gw@mail.gmail.com>

And in the realm of something slightly different, three assistant coaches
at Pitt, including the co-offensive coordinators announced they were
leaving to seek other opportunities.  I'm sure that was entirely of their
own volition.
Mark
*

Mark S. Ament*
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Louisville KY 40207
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voice: 502.387.0671
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*
*



On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> Pat Hill finally ran out of giants he could kill at Fresno State and has
> been fired after 15 years.  His dismal record against rival Boise State
> probably didn't help his case.
>
> As expected Colorado State has fired coach Steve Fairchild, who lost
> his patron when AD Paul Kowalczyk was fired last week.
>
> Carl Pelini, Nebraska's defensive coordinator, has been announced
> as the new head coach at Florida Atlantic, replacing Howard
> Schnellenberger, the man who built FAU's football program from the
> ground up, literally, but announced he would retire at the end of
> the season, FAU struggled to a 1-11 record this season.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Dec  5 14:08:02 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:08:02 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] coaching caravan continues
In-Reply-To: <CAPCH0ENA_0m7mwHAk-4mDNcJ+nOxtGeTiAsZT1=riK5m2cU5Gw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111205200802.C6FB460165@romaine.tssi.com>

> And in the realm of something slightly different, three assistant coaches
> at Pitt, including the co-offensive coordinators announced they were
> leaving to seek other opportunities.  I'm sure that was entirely of their
> own volition.

I would be surprised if that's the last such announcement around the
country in the next few weeks.  

Start the clock ticking, though, for Todd Graham at Pitt.  Most of the 
time a wholesale coaching change like that only buys the head coach a 
couple of years before he, too, hits the bricks.  Maybe Pitt will
get smart and dump their AD first, like Colorado State just did.  Naah, 
that might inflict him on some other school!
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Dec  5 14:24:35 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 14:24:35 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last
Message-ID: <20111205202435.F05D061553@romaine.tssi.com>

He didn't live to see it happen, but the Baseball Hall of Fame finally
found room for Ron Santo, joining his teammates from those great 60's
teams, Billy Williams and Ernie Banks, possibly the best 3-4-5 
combination of the last half century.  Hall of Fame member Fergie Jenkins 
was also on those memorable Cubs teams.

Thanks to the newly reworked Golden Era Committee for doing what 
the sportwriters and the (not lamented) Veterans Committee never 
had the common sense to do.

The honor was announced on the one year anniversary of Santo's death.

Not exactly a Northwestern topic, but one that this Chicago sports
team fan has been waiting a LONG TIME to see.
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Dec  5 14:56:28 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:56:28 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last
In-Reply-To: <20111205202435.F05D061553@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111205202435.F05D061553@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C8E23@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

It was that 1969 Cubs team that drove me to become a life-long White Sox
fan.

I moved from Omaha to Chicago in the fall of '68 to enroll at NU.  My
folks through sheer coincidence followed shortly after that and moved to
the western 'burbs.  So the first full summer I got to spend in the
Chicago area was '69.  My brother and I didn't have any MLB allegiances
because the closest team to us growing up was KC.  We wanted to go see
some games, but couldn't get tickets to Wrigley.  They were virtually
giving tickets away at Comiskey though because the team owner at the
time, Arthur Allen wanted to move the team to Milwaukee.  In fact they
played a handful of games at Milwaukee County Stadium and drew like
three times as much as they drew in Chicago.  Arthur ended up selling
the team to his brother John, and the Seattle Pilots moved to Milwaukee.

Harry Carry joined the radio broadcast team in 1971.  In 1972 they
finished second to Oakland. Wilbur Wood pitched 49 games that year and
went 24-17 with an era of 2.51. Dick Allen and Carlos May both hit over
300 and Allen had 113 RBI's. Bill Veck bought the team back from the
Allens in 1975 and I was hooked. 

I will always be grateful to the Cubs for the great year they and Ron
Santo had in 1969.

Jeff   
  



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 3:25 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last

He didn't live to see it happen, but the Baseball Hall of Fame finally
found room for Ron Santo, joining his teammates from those great 60's
teams, Billy Williams and Ernie Banks, possibly the best 3-4-5 
combination of the last half century.  Hall of Fame member Fergie
Jenkins 
was also on those memorable Cubs teams.

Thanks to the newly reworked Golden Era Committee for doing what 
the sportwriters and the (not lamented) Veterans Committee never 
had the common sense to do.

The honor was announced on the one year anniversary of Santo's death.

Not exactly a Northwestern topic, but one that this Chicago sports
team fan has been waiting a LONG TIME to see.
--
Mike Nolan

_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Dec  5 15:16:30 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (Harry Kirsch)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 16:16:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Santo
Message-ID: <8CE81AA4A775B88-E1C-B64D@Webmail-d108.sysops.aol.com>


Those of us that came of age in the 60's and 70's and lived in a 1 league town (everywhere but NYC, LA, SF or Chicago) had very little opportunity to see the other league's teams and players--NBC had its game of the week--so about 1 game very 2 weeks, the ASG, and the WS was about it for seeing the stars from the other league-

-Growing up in Boston, that meant I could only read about the NL stars--Anybody who followed basebal then, knows that the NL had far and away more stars and better teams--  The Cubs were rarely shown because except for 1967 and 1969, they were basicly non-contenders---But I read every magazine I could--and I followed Santo closely from the print media, because he was one of the few third baseman with really good hitting stats--(it was tough to follow the great fielding 3B  like Clete Boyer through the papers--you had to see it, no stats could explain good fieldingt-)-Of course I got to see Brooks Robinson becuase he was in the AL--But because of Santo's stats, and because I didnt like Richie Allen,he was my favorite 3B form the NL--

Had baseball had a playoff system then like they do now (and believe me, i dont like the current system) he , Banks and Williams would probably hae had some post season exposure --(Williams may have with the A's--not sure)

Anyhow a long winded way of saying an honor long overdue and happy to see there are still some players from my youth that are making the HOF

Harry

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Dec  5 16:40:40 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 17:40:40 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] coaching caravan continues
In-Reply-To: <20111205200802.C6FB460165@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111205200802.C6FB460165@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <2d5d05ce-30c4-4179-ae39-0eb17ef5aa5b@blur>

They can go to U of DE. Half the team trnsferred from there ;)

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
To: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 20:08:02 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] coaching caravan continues

> And in the realm of something slightly different, three assistant coaches
> at Pitt, including the co-offensive coordinators announced they were
> leaving to seek other opportunities.  I'm sure that was entirely of their
> own volition.

I would be surprised if that's the last such announcement around the
country in the next few weeks.  

Start the clock ticking, though, for Todd Graham at Pitt.  Most of the 
time a wholesale coaching change like that only buys the head coach a 
couple of years before he, too, hits the bricks.  Maybe Pitt will
get smart and dump their AD first, like Colorado State just did.  Naah, 
that might inflict him on some other school!
--
Mike Nolan

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Dec  5 18:00:46 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 19:00:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last
Message-ID: <7afa.70253fce.3c0eb52e@aol.com>

I was a fan of both since I was raised in Evanston but remember 1959 when  
the sox won the pennant, my mother told the nun I was going to miss school 
to go  to game one, the nun asked if she had another ticket, big klu hit 2 
homers, and  almost three.  My favorite Santo moment was him on the on deck 
circle  watching a black cat cross his path.

From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Dec  5 19:51:29 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 01:51:29 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C8E23@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <20111205202435.F05D061553@romaine.tssi.com>
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Message-ID: <1820535944-1323136240-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-671722498-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

And I will always be grateful to that team for folding and providing my Miracle Mets with the opportunity to win the while enchilada--division, playoff, World Series.  I hated when he clicked his heels at third base after
Cubbie wins.  But I grew to admire him in later years--especially for his courage and grace in fighting the illness that finally took him and prevented him from enjoying this special day. 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:56:28 
To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last

It was that 1969 Cubs team that drove me to become a life-long White Sox
fan.

I moved from Omaha to Chicago in the fall of '68 to enroll at NU.  My
folks through sheer coincidence followed shortly after that and moved to
the western 'burbs.  So the first full summer I got to spend in the
Chicago area was '69.  My brother and I didn't have any MLB allegiances
because the closest team to us growing up was KC.  We wanted to go see
some games, but couldn't get tickets to Wrigley.  They were virtually
giving tickets away at Comiskey though because the team owner at the
time, Arthur Allen wanted to move the team to Milwaukee.  In fact they
played a handful of games at Milwaukee County Stadium and drew like
three times as much as they drew in Chicago.  Arthur ended up selling
the team to his brother John, and the Seattle Pilots moved to Milwaukee.

Harry Carry joined the radio broadcast team in 1971.  In 1972 they
finished second to Oakland. Wilbur Wood pitched 49 games that year and
went 24-17 with an era of 2.51. Dick Allen and Carlos May both hit over
300 and Allen had 113 RBI's. Bill Veck bought the team back from the
Allens in 1975 and I was hooked. 

I will always be grateful to the Cubs for the great year they and Ron
Santo had in 1969.

Jeff   
  



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 3:25 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last

He didn't live to see it happen, but the Baseball Hall of Fame finally
found room for Ron Santo, joining his teammates from those great 60's
teams, Billy Williams and Ernie Banks, possibly the best 3-4-5 
combination of the last half century.  Hall of Fame member Fergie
Jenkins 
was also on those memorable Cubs teams.

Thanks to the newly reworked Golden Era Committee for doing what 
the sportwriters and the (not lamented) Veterans Committee never 
had the common sense to do.

The honor was announced on the one year anniversary of Santo's death.

Not exactly a Northwestern topic, but one that this Chicago sports
team fan has been waiting a LONG TIME to see.
--
Mike Nolan

_______________________________________________
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nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Dec  5 23:01:01 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 05:01:01 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
In-Reply-To: <1323063494.36767.YahooMailNeo@web121712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <785C11E8D68C46FA8BBF6D661EEC7EB6@dennismachine>
 <8CE8118FD06C292-1C3C-2762F@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com>
 <678994500-1323060425-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1309025576-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
 <1323063494.36767.YahooMailNeo@web121712.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Boise State Coach Peters rips the BCS  saying system should be completely scrapped. He Is looking to hire SJT as his PR man 

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:38:14 
To: neonrye at aol.com<neonrye at aol.com>; Eric Kunkel<wildelk2 at aol.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; tbng at comcast.net<tbng at comcast.net>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

Exactly ... I'm sure I'll take more than a few more shots at Houston (and btw, I would much rather attend a football game in Ford Field than any place in Houston :) ) and it is a tough matchup ... BUT ...

* It will be great to see Persa, Ebert, Dunsmore and more take the field in purple one more time
* It is a bigger "name" matchup for our profile when we get the win
* It is in a recruiting hotbed area and can only help get our name out there
* It is another example of Phillips and Fitz selling NU well enough to move up over where we'd have been in other years

A lot to be thankful for as an NU fan and something that didn't look very likely a month or so ago.

Bring on the Aggies! GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; tbng at comcast.net; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
 
Let's not wallow in doom and gloom or implicitly criticize Phillips and Fitz for seeking a more challenging game and attractive venue (which dovetails with recruiting).? It just dawned on me that? A & M's foremost alumnus may be Rick Perry, former "yell" leader.?  Let's show Gov. Perry some "northern hospitality" by kicking Aggie butt.?  If we can beat A & M, the thought that it would upset that lamebrain would just add to my joy.

I have faith in Fitz, Persa, Ebert and Peters to bring home a win.? In Fitz we trust.? If we could handle the Huskers in Lincoln, we should be competitive with A & M, right?? This won't be easy, but it will be sweeter if we pull it off than beating up on a MAC team.? 

So let's think positive and enjoy the moment.? Six weeks ago we couldn't have imagined being where we are now.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:56:23 
To: <tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

?  Dennis and List Gang,


?  Your right on both counts.? If A&M feels like playing we'll get our ass handed to us.? And to think I thought we'd finally play in a winnable game.? As far as the basketball team is concerned its better we get pounded now than in a month; hopefully we learned something other than the fact that they are better than us.? I'm OK with losing to a team in the Top 10, just so we learned a few things that will help us in conference play.? Look liked we bailed out on working the paint; looked like years past when we'd come down the court and fire up a 3. 


?  I know I'm being negative about our bowl game, but I saw Iowa St. , Cal, Wake Forest, Rutgers, Toledo, Ohio and NIU as teams we could compete with. The one team I thought we'd have trouble with we get.? I don't get it. We've lost 8 in a row; can we , until we get the Gorilla off our back go after a team we can handle instead of the most attractive destination?


?  Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:30 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl


Texas A&M 52? NU 28

It's going to be another frustrating bowl season.? And today reality sat upon 
the basketball team too.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 23:12:51 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:12:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
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Good for him - more coaches need to step up and call out the BS of the B(C)S. Maybe now that the Big XII Computer Sham was left out of the party, they too will get the message that this plain ole' sucks.

And NU alum Stewart Mandel made a nice point in his column on how puzzling it was that the Sugar selected VaTech over Boise, K-State, Baylor or Oklahoma.

Interesting how the Cartel managed to leave TCU out in the cold as well. Yet the ACC and Big Least get three teams combined? An absolute joke.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>; Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>; "nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com" <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; "tbng at comcast.net" <tbng at comcast.net>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
 
Boise State Coach Peters rips the BCS? saying system should be completely scrapped. He Is looking to hire SJT as his PR man 

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:38:14 
To: neonrye at aol.com<neonrye at aol.com>; Eric Kunkel<wildelk2 at aol.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; tbng at comcast.net<tbng at comcast.net>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

Exactly ... I'm sure I'll take more than a few more shots at Houston (and btw, I would much rather attend a football game in Ford Field than any place in Houston :) ) and it is a tough matchup ... BUT ...

* It will be great to see Persa, Ebert, Dunsmore and more take the field in purple one more time
* It is a bigger "name" matchup for our profile when we get the win
* It is in a recruiting hotbed area and can only help get our name out there
* It is another example of Phillips and Fitz selling NU well enough to move up over where we'd have been in other years

A lot to be thankful for as an NU fan and something that didn't look very likely a month or so ago.

Bring on the Aggies! GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; tbng at comcast.net; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

Let's not wallow in doom and gloom or implicitly criticize Phillips and Fitz for seeking a more challenging game and attractive venue (which dovetails with recruiting).? It just dawned on me that? A & M's foremost alumnus may be Rick Perry, former "yell" leader.?? Let's show Gov. Perry some "northern hospitality" by kicking Aggie butt.?? If we can beat A & M, the thought that it would upset that lamebrain would just add to my joy.

I have faith in Fitz, Persa, Ebert and Peters to bring home a win.? In Fitz we trust.? If we could handle the Huskers in Lincoln, we should be competitive with A & M, right?? This won't be easy, but it will be sweeter if we pull it off than beating up on a MAC team.? 

So let's think positive and enjoy the moment.? Six weeks ago we couldn't have imagined being where we are now.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:56:23 
To: <tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

?? Dennis and List Gang,


?? Your right on both counts.? If A&M feels like playing we'll get our ass handed to us.? And to think I thought we'd finally play in a winnable game.? As far as the basketball team is concerned its better we get pounded now than in a month; hopefully we learned something other than the fact that they are better than us.? I'm OK with losing to a team in the Top 10, just so we learned a few things that will help us in conference play.? Look liked we bailed out on working the paint; looked like years past when we'd come down the court and fire up a 3. 


?? I know I'm being negative about our bowl game, but I saw Iowa St. , Cal, Wake Forest, Rutgers, Toledo, Ohio and NIU as teams we could compete with. The one team I thought we'd have trouble with we get.? I don't get it. We've lost 8 in a row; can we , until we get the Gorilla off our back go after a team we can handle instead of the most attractive destination?


?? Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:30 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl


Texas A&M 52? NU 28

It's going to be another frustrating bowl season.? And today reality sat upon 
the basketball team too.
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From artmiller1 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 23:19:01 2011
From: artmiller1 at gmail.com (Art Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:19:01 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
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LOL, someone should remind Coach Petersen that Michigan was playing--and excelling in--college football 100 years before Boise State got around to fielding a team, and that goes a long way toward explaining why they were chosen for an at-large spot.  

Seriously, I'm getting tired of these schools who run up 10 win records every year against subpar competition and think they're God's gift to college football.  As TCU will re-learn starting next year, going 8-4 or 9-3 in a major conference can be a significant achievement--it just won't make you a media darling.



On Dec 5, 2011, at 11:01 PM, hakirsch at aol.com wrote:

> Boise State Coach Peters rips the BCS  saying system should be completely scrapped. He Is looking to hire SJT as his PR man 
> 
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:38:14 
> To: neonrye at aol.com<neonrye at aol.com>; Eric Kunkel<wildelk2 at aol.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; tbng at comcast.net<tbng at comcast.net>; nwu-sports at tssi.com<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
> 
> Exactly ... I'm sure I'll take more than a few more shots at Houston (and btw, I would much rather attend a football game in Ford Field than any place in Houston :) ) and it is a tough matchup ... BUT ...
> 
> * It will be great to see Persa, Ebert, Dunsmore and more take the field in purple one more time
> * It is a bigger "name" matchup for our profile when we get the win
> * It is in a recruiting hotbed area and can only help get our name out there
> * It is another example of Phillips and Fitz selling NU well enough to move up over where we'd have been in other years
> 
> A lot to be thankful for as an NU fan and something that didn't look very likely a month or so ago.
> 
> Bring on the Aggies! GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>  
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
> To: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; tbng at comcast.net; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
> Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 9:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
> 
> Let's not wallow in doom and gloom or implicitly criticize Phillips and Fitz for seeking a more challenging game and attractive venue (which dovetails with recruiting).  It just dawned on me that  A & M's foremost alumnus may be Rick Perry, former "yell" leader.   Let's show Gov. Perry some "northern hospitality" by kicking Aggie butt.   If we can beat A & M, the thought that it would upset that lamebrain would just add to my joy.
> 
> I have faith in Fitz, Persa, Ebert and Peters to bring home a win.  In Fitz we trust.  If we could handle the Huskers in Lincoln, we should be competitive with A & M, right?  This won't be easy, but it will be sweeter if we pull it off than beating up on a MAC team.  
> 
> So let's think positive and enjoy the moment.  Six weeks ago we couldn't have imagined being where we are now.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:56:23 
> To: <tbng at comcast.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
> 
>    Dennis and List Gang,
> 
> 
>    Your right on both counts.  If A&M feels like playing we'll get our ass handed to us.  And to think I thought we'd finally play in a winnable game.  As far as the basketball team is concerned its better we get pounded now than in a month; hopefully we learned something other than the fact that they are better than us.  I'm OK with losing to a team in the Top 10, just so we learned a few things that will help us in conference play.  Look liked we bailed out on working the paint; looked like years past when we'd come down the court and fire up a 3. 
> 
> 
>    I know I'm being negative about our bowl game, but I saw Iowa St. , Cal, Wake Forest, Rutgers, Toledo, Ohio and NIU as teams we could compete with. The one team I thought we'd have trouble with we get.  I don't get it. We've lost 8 in a row; can we , until we get the Gorilla off our back go after a team we can handle instead of the most attractive destination?
> 
> 
>    Eric
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
> To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Sun, Dec 4, 2011 2:30 pm
> Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
> 
> 
> Texas A&M 52  NU 28
> 
> It's going to be another frustrating bowl season.  And today reality sat upon 
> the basketball team too.
> _______________________________________________
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Mon Dec  5 23:32:42 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:32:42 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last
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I like that he will now always be referred to as Baseball Hall of Famer Ron
Santo.

Does anyone remember the frozen Santo's Pizza with a huge photo of Ron on
the back?

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 5:51 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> And I will always be grateful to that team for folding and providing my
> Miracle Mets with the opportunity to win the while enchilada--division,
> playoff, World Series.  I hated when he clicked his heels at third base
> after
> Cubbie wins.  But I grew to admire him in later years--especially for his
> courage and grace in fighting the illness that finally took him and
> prevented him from enjoying this special day.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:56:28
> To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last
>
> It was that 1969 Cubs team that drove me to become a life-long White Sox
> fan.
>
> I moved from Omaha to Chicago in the fall of '68 to enroll at NU.  My
> folks through sheer coincidence followed shortly after that and moved to
> the western 'burbs.  So the first full summer I got to spend in the
> Chicago area was '69.  My brother and I didn't have any MLB allegiances
> because the closest team to us growing up was KC.  We wanted to go see
> some games, but couldn't get tickets to Wrigley.  They were virtually
> giving tickets away at Comiskey though because the team owner at the
> time, Arthur Allen wanted to move the team to Milwaukee.  In fact they
> played a handful of games at Milwaukee County Stadium and drew like
> three times as much as they drew in Chicago.  Arthur ended up selling
> the team to his brother John, and the Seattle Pilots moved to Milwaukee.
>
> Harry Carry joined the radio broadcast team in 1971.  In 1972 they
> finished second to Oakland. Wilbur Wood pitched 49 games that year and
> went 24-17 with an era of 2.51. Dick Allen and Carlos May both hit over
> 300 and Allen had 113 RBI's. Bill Veck bought the team back from the
> Allens in 1975 and I was hooked.
>
> I will always be grateful to the Cubs for the great year they and Ron
> Santo had in 1969.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 3:25 PM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last
>
> He didn't live to see it happen, but the Baseball Hall of Fame finally
> found room for Ron Santo, joining his teammates from those great 60's
> teams, Billy Williams and Ernie Banks, possibly the best 3-4-5
> combination of the last half century.  Hall of Fame member Fergie
> Jenkins
> was also on those memorable Cubs teams.
>
> Thanks to the newly reworked Golden Era Committee for doing what
> the sportwriters and the (not lamented) Veterans Committee never
> had the common sense to do.
>
> The honor was announced on the one year anniversary of Santo's death.
>
> Not exactly a Northwestern topic, but one that this Chicago sports
> team fan has been waiting a LONG TIME to see.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Dec  5 23:52:55 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:52:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
In-Reply-To: <78C6B755-9348-4395-84FA-2153F737C98B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111206055255.65F62651A9@romaine.tssi.com>

> LOL, someone should remind Coach Petersen that Michigan was playing--and excelling in--college football 100 years before Boise State got around to fielding a team, and that goes a long way toward explaining why they were chosen for an at-large spot.  

Not exactly correct.

Boise Junior College began playing football in the 1930's, had several undefeated
seasons and won a JC national championship title in the 1950's.  Boise State
changed to a four year football program in 1968 and started playing NCAA
Division II football in 1970.

Michigan began playing football in 1879.

Do I think Boise State would have gone 9-3 or better if they had played 
a schedule like Michigan's?  Probably not.  But I'm not convinced that Michigan 
would always go 12-0 if they played Boise State's schedule, either.

Did Boise State have a better pedigree for the BCS than Virginia Tech?
Well, they didn't as far as the Sugar Bowl was concerned, and that's the
only voice that counts.  Too bad, I think Michigan vs Boise State would have 
been a more interesting game.  (Personally, I think Ohio State vs Boise State 
would have been the perfect bowl match.  Call it the Little Sisters of the 
Poor Bowl.  The loser gets Gordon Gee for a year!)
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Dec  5 23:55:20 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 23:55:20 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvjw074ET3n893yRNEX5rcO1UEzu-jLQg+f6x7CUK0C-Tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111206055520.A10686447B@romaine.tssi.com>

> Does anyone remember the frozen Santo's Pizza with a huge photo of Ron on
> the back?

Yup, Pro's Pizza, they were pretty good, too, I liked the sauce.  But
I was living in a small town in NW Illinois at the time, hours away from
a decent pizza place.  (So I learned to make my own, and still do.)
--
Mike Nolan


From neilkaplan at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 00:10:12 2011
From: neilkaplan at yahoo.com (Neil Kaplan)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 22:10:12 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl team graduation rates up, racial gap persists
In-Reply-To: <20111206055520.A10686447B@romaine.tssi.com>
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?http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ap-bowlgraduationrates


found this article interesting...

From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Dec  6 00:23:19 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 06:23:19 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last
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Did they sell those in Lake Forest ?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:32:42 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last

I like that he will now always be referred to as Baseball Hall of Famer Ron
Santo.

Does anyone remember the frozen Santo's Pizza with a huge photo of Ron on
the back?

On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 5:51 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> And I will always be grateful to that team for folding and providing my
> Miracle Mets with the opportunity to win the while enchilada--division,
> playoff, World Series.  I hated when he clicked his heels at third base
> after
> Cubbie wins.  But I grew to admire him in later years--especially for his
> courage and grace in fighting the illness that finally took him and
> prevented him from enjoying this special day.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:56:28
> To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last
>
> It was that 1969 Cubs team that drove me to become a life-long White Sox
> fan.
>
> I moved from Omaha to Chicago in the fall of '68 to enroll at NU.  My
> folks through sheer coincidence followed shortly after that and moved to
> the western 'burbs.  So the first full summer I got to spend in the
> Chicago area was '69.  My brother and I didn't have any MLB allegiances
> because the closest team to us growing up was KC.  We wanted to go see
> some games, but couldn't get tickets to Wrigley.  They were virtually
> giving tickets away at Comiskey though because the team owner at the
> time, Arthur Allen wanted to move the team to Milwaukee.  In fact they
> played a handful of games at Milwaukee County Stadium and drew like
> three times as much as they drew in Chicago.  Arthur ended up selling
> the team to his brother John, and the Seattle Pilots moved to Milwaukee.
>
> Harry Carry joined the radio broadcast team in 1971.  In 1972 they
> finished second to Oakland. Wilbur Wood pitched 49 games that year and
> went 24-17 with an era of 2.51. Dick Allen and Carlos May both hit over
> 300 and Allen had 113 RBI's. Bill Veck bought the team back from the
> Allens in 1975 and I was hooked.
>
> I will always be grateful to the Cubs for the great year they and Ron
> Santo had in 1969.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 3:25 PM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last
>
> He didn't live to see it happen, but the Baseball Hall of Fame finally
> found room for Ron Santo, joining his teammates from those great 60's
> teams, Billy Williams and Ernie Banks, possibly the best 3-4-5
> combination of the last half century.  Hall of Fame member Fergie
> Jenkins
> was also on those memorable Cubs teams.
>
> Thanks to the newly reworked Golden Era Committee for doing what
> the sportwriters and the (not lamented) Veterans Committee never
> had the common sense to do.
>
> The honor was announced on the one year anniversary of Santo's death.
>
> Not exactly a Northwestern topic, but one that this Chicago sports
> team fan has been waiting a LONG TIME to see.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Dec  6 00:35:38 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 00:35:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Santo elected to Hall of Fame--at last
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> Did they sell those in Lake Forest ?

Probably.  They also sold them at the ballpark.  I think there were also a 
few Pros Pizza joints in the Chicago area, though I think they didn't last long.

There was a Sport Magazine profile on Santo back in about '66, in addition
to the pizza business he also founded an insurance company, made the Million
Dollar Round Table as an insurance salesman, and was later in the oil business.  

Quite a departure from the usual post-baseball business interests of athletes 
back then, owning a sporting goods store or a beer distributorship.
--
Mike Nolan


From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Dec  6 11:31:41 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Charles Herron)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:31:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
Message-ID: <8CE82540D74BC3D-CFC-12E32@webmail-m092.sysops.aol.com>

All,

Have any of us compiled a list of Jim Phillips' Greatest Hits ?  Where does this Texas Bowl fit on that list ?  Is it his best work to date ?  Or was that the 2009-2010 Outback Bowl ?   Does any Big Ten AD come close in their ability to lobby/win better bowl bids ?  Is any FBS AD close or in the same league on this ?  Does it pose a problem for us, by consistently setting up tougher bowl game match-ups ?  How did Slick Rick, Bruce Corrie and/or Doug Single compare ?

Chuck Herron  Tech '85  

From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 11:35:15 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:35:15 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
In-Reply-To: <8CE82540D74BC3D-CFC-12E32@webmail-m092.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE82540D74BC3D-CFC-12E32@webmail-m092.sysops.aol.com>
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BTW Mark Murphy was also an excellent AD ... let us not forget ... see what
he is doing now as president of the Packers.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com> wrote:

> All,
>
> Have any of us compiled a list of Jim Phillips' Greatest Hits ?  Where
> does this Texas Bowl fit on that list ?  Is it his best work to date ?  Or
> was that the 2009-2010 Outback Bowl ?   Does any Big Ten AD come close in
> their ability to lobby/win better bowl bids ?  Is any FBS AD close or in
> the same league on this ?  Does it pose a problem for us, by consistently
> setting up tougher bowl game match-ups ?  How did Slick Rick, Bruce Corrie
> and/or Doug Single compare ?
>
> Chuck Herron  Tech '85
> _______________________________________________
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Dec  6 11:45:58 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Charles Herron)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:45:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
In-Reply-To: <CAN7senjZq=rt0WY6y2ap77K9NazC74NOtubCo5RMRf-Y_F=X2A@mail.gmail.com>
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I think that, as a Bears fan, I have managed to erase Mark Murphy from my memory, as he went over to the side of pure evil...

Chuck Herron  Tech '85

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Abrahamson <alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>
To: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>; Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 12:35 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits


BTW Mark Murphy was also an excellent AD ... let us not forget ... see what he is doing now as president of the Packers.


On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com> wrote:

All,

Have any of us compiled a list of Jim Phillips' Greatest Hits ?  Where does this Texas Bowl fit on that list ?  Is it his best work to date ?  Or was that the 2009-2010 Outback Bowl ?   Does any Big Ten AD come close in their ability to lobby/win better bowl bids ?  Is any FBS AD close or in the same league on this ?  Does it pose a problem for us, by consistently setting up tougher bowl game match-ups ?  How did Slick Rick, Bruce Corrie and/or Doug Single compare ?

Chuck Herron  Tech '85
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 11:47:50 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:47:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
In-Reply-To: <CAN7senjZq=rt0WY6y2ap77K9NazC74NOtubCo5RMRf-Y_F=X2A@mail.gmail.com>
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The Outback bowl, because it mattered the most.?

That was probably the best NU team since '96, and getting them that game and that matchup was a really big deal, both as a reward for those players, and as a building block for the future. The icing on the cake was the fact that the game turned into an instant classic of almost surreal proportions. I suspect we'll still benefit from that exposure for years to come. If only we had won!

It's funny, I do almost wish we had landed in Detroit this year, where we'd have an excellent chance at winning, just to get that monkey off our backs. But I'm guessing the players and coaches are all thrilled at getting a chance to play in a bigger bowl, against a better opponent with a much better pedigree. Our chances of winning took a major hit, but the potential payoff is much greater. (A&M is 13th/11th in the Sagarin ratings--ouch).?

And from the snippets of comments from bowl reps, it sure sounds like a lot of the credit goes to Phillips--not just for the how he handled the specific talks, but the entire way he goes about doing things.?

I do think Murphy did an amazing job at NU. Phillips seems like the perfect guy to build on what Murphy accomplished.

Tom


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Dec  6 11:51:11 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:51:11 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
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IMHO Phillips has done a great job.

His job is to get NU positive visibility.

It's Fitz's job to win the games.

I think it much better to have a tough game against a ranked opponent
than a layup against the little sisters of the poor.  Nobody is going to
remember us blowing out an inferior bowl opponent.  It might help our
ego to get a bowl win, but I think it is MUCH better for recruiting to
see our "no-name" guys going toe to toe with the best in the country.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:35 PM
To: Charles Herron; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits

BTW Mark Murphy was also an excellent AD ... let us not forget ... see
what
he is doing now as president of the Packers.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> Have any of us compiled a list of Jim Phillips' Greatest Hits ?  Where
> does this Texas Bowl fit on that list ?  Is it his best work to date ?
Or
> was that the 2009-2010 Outback Bowl ?   Does any Big Ten AD come close
in
> their ability to lobby/win better bowl bids ?  Is any FBS AD close or
in
> the same league on this ?  Does it pose a problem for us, by
consistently
> setting up tougher bowl game match-ups ?  How did Slick Rick, Bruce
Corrie
> and/or Doug Single compare ?
>
> Chuck Herron  Tech '85
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Dec  6 11:56:50 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:56:50 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
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Couldn't agree more with this. Thanks, Jeff.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> IMHO Phillips has done a great job.
>
> His job is to get NU positive visibility.
>
> It's Fitz's job to win the games.
>
> I think it much better to have a tough game against a ranked opponent
> than a layup against the little sisters of the poor.  Nobody is going to
> remember us blowing out an inferior bowl opponent.  It might help our
> ego to get a bowl win, but I think it is MUCH better for recruiting to
> see our "no-name" guys going toe to toe with the best in the country.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:35 PM
> To: Charles Herron; Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
>
> BTW Mark Murphy was also an excellent AD ... let us not forget ... see
> what
> he is doing now as president of the Packers.
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > Have any of us compiled a list of Jim Phillips' Greatest Hits ?  Where
> > does this Texas Bowl fit on that list ?  Is it his best work to date ?
> Or
> > was that the 2009-2010 Outback Bowl ?   Does any Big Ten AD come close
> in
> > their ability to lobby/win better bowl bids ?  Is any FBS AD close or
> in
> > the same league on this ?  Does it pose a problem for us, by
> consistently
> > setting up tougher bowl game match-ups ?  How did Slick Rick, Bruce
> Corrie
> > and/or Doug Single compare ?
> >
> > Chuck Herron  Tech '85
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> _______________________________________________
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>

From michael.vance at att.net  Tue Dec  6 11:58:28 2011
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:58:28 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
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I loved this quote from the Indianapolis Star article on Purdue going to Detroit:

"With Michigan securing a BCS at-large bid to the Sugar Bowl, it appeared the Boilermakers were headed to the TicketCity Bowl in Dallas.

However, Northwestern worked its way into the Meineke Car Care Bowl in Houston, giving the TicketCity Bowl an opportunity to select Penn State, which had fallen throughout the selection process. The Insight, Taxslayer.com Gator and Meineke Car Care Bowls all passed on Penn State."

http://www.indystar.com/article/20111205/SPORTS0602/112050335/Boilermakers-head-back-Detroit

I'm sure the reporter would have loved to have said "weaseled" or "finagled" but had to settle for the more friendly "worked." It still comes off as a little snarky and sour grapes-ish.

-Michael
Sent from my mobile device...

On Dec 6, 2011, at 12:51 PM, "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

> IMHO Phillips has done a great job.
> 
> His job is to get NU positive visibility.
> 
> It's Fitz's job to win the games.
> 
> I think it much better to have a tough game against a ranked opponent
> than a layup against the little sisters of the poor.  Nobody is going to
> remember us blowing out an inferior bowl opponent.  It might help our
> ego to get a bowl win, but I think it is MUCH better for recruiting to
> see our "no-name" guys going toe to toe with the best in the country.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:35 PM
> To: Charles Herron; Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
> 
> BTW Mark Murphy was also an excellent AD ... let us not forget ... see
> what
> he is doing now as president of the Packers.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> Have any of us compiled a list of Jim Phillips' Greatest Hits ?  Where
>> does this Texas Bowl fit on that list ?  Is it his best work to date ?
> Or
>> was that the 2009-2010 Outback Bowl ?   Does any Big Ten AD come close
> in
>> their ability to lobby/win better bowl bids ?  Is any FBS AD close or
> in
>> the same league on this ?  Does it pose a problem for us, by
> consistently
>> setting up tougher bowl game match-ups ?  How did Slick Rick, Bruce
> Corrie
>> and/or Doug Single compare ?
>> 
>> Chuck Herron  Tech '85
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> 
> _______________________________________________
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Dec  6 11:57:18 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:57:18 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
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I agree that the Outback Bowl was quite an accomplishment on Phillips' part
given the high profile of the bowl.  I also think that this year's trip to
Houston was an accomplishment as most (including myself) figured NU would
be relegated to Detroit in this scenario.  And those are just on the bowl
front; he has led some other big changes like driving attendance up by a
large amount (the 50+% jump from 09-10), made the Wrigley game happen, and,
under the radar a bit but important to NUMBALUMs like myself, brought NUMB
under Athletics Department funding, which was desperately needed.

Murphy clearly also did a solid job that included the key decision of
installing Fitz as head coach despite his lack of experience.

Jonathan

PS: I think that the 2008 9-win NU team (that played Mizzou in the Alamo
Bowl) is the team you are thinking of as the best since 1996; they
certainly had the best defense since the mid-90's, went undefeated in
regular season non-conference play, and were ranked at various points in
the season.  The 2009 team lost to Syracuse and Minnesota early in the year
and though they had a fabulous finish, the defense regressed a bit relative
to '08 and they only won 8 games on the year.

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The Outback bowl, because it mattered the most.
>
> That was probably the best NU team since '96, and getting them that game
> and that matchup was a really big deal, both as a reward for those players,
> and as a building block for the future. The icing on the cake was the fact
> that the game turned into an instant classic of almost surreal proportions.
> I suspect we'll still benefit from that exposure for years to come. If only
> we had won!
>
> It's funny, I do almost wish we had landed in Detroit this year, where
> we'd have an excellent chance at winning, just to get that monkey off our
> backs. But I'm guessing the players and coaches are all thrilled at getting
> a chance to play in a bigger bowl, against a better opponent with a much
> better pedigree. Our chances of winning took a major hit, but the potential
> payoff is much greater. (A&M is 13th/11th in the Sagarin ratings--ouch).
>
> And from the snippets of comments from bowl reps, it sure sounds like a
> lot of the credit goes to Phillips--not just for the how he handled the
> specific talks, but the entire way he goes about doing things.
>
> I do think Murphy did an amazing job at NU. Phillips seems like the
> perfect guy to build on what Murphy accomplished.
>
> Tom
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Dec  6 12:02:27 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:02:27 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
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And of course playing a MAC team in a bowl does not guarantee a victory

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:51:11 
To: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; Charles Herron<cherron604 at aol.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits

IMHO Phillips has done a great job.

His job is to get NU positive visibility.

It's Fitz's job to win the games.

I think it much better to have a tough game against a ranked opponent
than a layup against the little sisters of the poor.  Nobody is going to
remember us blowing out an inferior bowl opponent.  It might help our
ego to get a bowl win, but I think it is MUCH better for recruiting to
see our "no-name" guys going toe to toe with the best in the country.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:35 PM
To: Charles Herron; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits

BTW Mark Murphy was also an excellent AD ... let us not forget ... see
what
he is doing now as president of the Packers.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> Have any of us compiled a list of Jim Phillips' Greatest Hits ?  Where
> does this Texas Bowl fit on that list ?  Is it his best work to date ?
Or
> was that the 2009-2010 Outback Bowl ?   Does any Big Ten AD come close
in
> their ability to lobby/win better bowl bids ?  Is any FBS AD close or
in
> the same league on this ?  Does it pose a problem for us, by
consistently
> setting up tougher bowl game match-ups ?  How did Slick Rick, Bruce
Corrie
> and/or Doug Single compare ?
>
> Chuck Herron  Tech '85
> _______________________________________________
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 12:13:27 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:13:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
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>PS: I think that the 2008 9-win NU team (that played Mizzou in the Alamo Bowl) is the team you are thinking of as the best since 1996;?

No, I was thinking of the 2009 team, but yeah, you could make a case that 2008 was better (Sutton being a big key difference there). But personally, I think the '09 bunch (when healthy) was the better team. ?

The devastating rash of injuries on D early in the year probably cost us the?Syracuse and Minny games in '09.?

Granted, the Cats were somewhat lucky to pull out wins against a couple of inferior opponents later in the year (Purdue, Indiana), but if the D had been healthy all year, and just one of a dozen things had gone differently in the Outback Bowl, that could easily have been an 11 win team.?


Tom


From e-west at northwestern.edu  Tue Dec  6 12:30:30 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 18:30:30 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
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Not to mention that Texas A&M isn't ranked anyway. Beating them might be tougher than beating Western Michigan or UCLA, but a bowl victory over any of those teams would thrill me exactly the same.

Eric West
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits

And of course playing a MAC team in a bowl does not guarantee a victory

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits

IMHO Phillips has done a great job.

His job is to get NU positive visibility.

It's Fitz's job to win the games.

I think it much better to have a tough game against a ranked opponent than a layup against the little sisters of the poor.  Nobody is going to remember us blowing out an inferior bowl opponent.  It might help our ego to get a bowl win, but I think it is MUCH better for recruiting to see our "no-name" guys going toe to toe with the best in the country.

Jeff


From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Dec  6 12:34:05 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:34:05 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
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The Head Coach is certainly thrilled to be going to Houston.  Fitz came to NYC yesterday and appeared and spoke at a gathering organized and emceed by Sandy Sacks, the "Godfather" of NYC Alumni activities, and originator of NU Sports Nights in the Big Apple.  Fitz was clearly excited about playing a big-time opponent, and he is incredibly proud of the Seniors, who have racked up the most wins of any Senior Class in NU's long history.  

I got a chance to talk with him 1-on1 and got a further education in football logic.  We were talking about the Outback Bowl, and I mentioned that my only disappointment in that game was that we didn't really "go for it" on third down, before the Field Goal that went wide right before the end of regulation.  Fitz countered by telling me that the consideration that tipped the scales was the concern that Kafka might get sacked, and thus we would be out of FG range entirely.  I had to concede that I hadn't really thought of that prospect, and felt kinda stupid at that point for even raising the issue.:-)  It's funny how simple he made it seem, and once he said it, I realized that the angst I had always carried over that one play (and not the failed "Fumblerooski") was misplaced.

He was his usual passionate self, and near the end of the talk one of the assembled alumns shouted out "Fitz, you make us proud", which then resulted in a resounding ovation.  I came away, as I always do when I see/hear him, feeling proud and gratified that he is the face (and sometimes the voice) of NU.  Some day schools will say he's "Our Fitz", since the "Our Joe Pa" riff is now, sadly, history.   He did talk about the need to upgrade facilities (in response to a question), and referred to Nebraska's incredible new home for its varsity athletes.  It is clear that this is an important issue to him, and he is excited that NU is finally putting together a "Master Plan".  While he didn't say what would be in it (nor would I expect him to), I have little doubt that the University will make sure --within the financial constraints involved -- that the facilities project will be planned to a level that will make sure that Fitz remains our HC for as long as he wants.  

Go 'Cats!  Beat the Aggies!

Paul Levinson





-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock at yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits


The Outback bowl, because it mattered the most. 
That was probably the best NU team since '96, and getting them that game and 
hat matchup was a really big deal, both as a reward for those players, and as a 
uilding block for the future. The icing on the cake was the fact that the game 
urned into an instant classic of almost surreal proportions. I suspect we'll 
till benefit from that exposure for years to come. If only we had won!
It's funny, I do almost wish we had landed in Detroit this year, where we'd have 
n excellent chance at winning, just to get that monkey off our backs. But I'm 
uessing the players and coaches are all thrilled at getting a chance to play in 
 bigger bowl, against a better opponent with a much better pedigree. Our 
hances of winning took a major hit, but the potential payoff is much greater. 
A&M is 13th/11th in the Sagarin ratings--ouch). 
And from the snippets of comments from bowl reps, it sure sounds like a lot of 
he credit goes to Phillips--not just for the how he handled the specific talks, 
ut the entire way he goes about doing things. 
I do think Murphy did an amazing job at NU. Phillips seems like the perfect guy 
o build on what Murphy accomplished.
Tom
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Dec  6 12:45:48 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:45:48 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
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Boy ain't that the truth.

Just ask the 2002 Walker team that lost 28-24 to BG (whatever happened
to that QB Harris that KILLED us?).

I think that Purdue is going to have similar a challenge with Western
Michigan.  Western ranked 23rd in the FBS in total offense.  Purdue was
79th. Now you can discount that somewhat because few MAC teams seemed to
play any defense, but you still have to execute at a pretty high level
to put up those numbers.  In particular Western can really throw the
ball.  They were in the top 10 nationally ahead of folks like Boise
State, Arkansas, USC, and our buddies at A&M (18).  

On defense Purdue is looking a little better at 69 with Western at 100,
but Purdue's real strength was pass defense (38).  

They are pretty even in most of the other categories. 

So it is the classic offense against defense matchup.  Should be a good
one.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:02 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Alan Abrahamson;
Charles Herron; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits

And of course playing a MAC team in a bowl does not guarantee a victory

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:51:11 
To: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; Charles
Herron<cherron604 at aol.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits

IMHO Phillips has done a great job.

His job is to get NU positive visibility.

It's Fitz's job to win the games.

I think it much better to have a tough game against a ranked opponent
than a layup against the little sisters of the poor.  Nobody is going to
remember us blowing out an inferior bowl opponent.  It might help our
ego to get a bowl win, but I think it is MUCH better for recruiting to
see our "no-name" guys going toe to toe with the best in the country.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:35 PM
To: Charles Herron; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits

BTW Mark Murphy was also an excellent AD ... let us not forget ... see
what
he is doing now as president of the Packers.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> Have any of us compiled a list of Jim Phillips' Greatest Hits ?  Where
> does this Texas Bowl fit on that list ?  Is it his best work to date ?
Or
> was that the 2009-2010 Outback Bowl ?   Does any Big Ten AD come close
in
> their ability to lobby/win better bowl bids ?  Is any FBS AD close or
in
> the same league on this ?  Does it pose a problem for us, by
consistently
> setting up tougher bowl game match-ups ?  How did Slick Rick, Bruce
Corrie
> and/or Doug Single compare ?
>
> Chuck Herron  Tech '85
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Dec  6 12:56:33 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 13:56:33 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
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Regarding Bowling Green in 2003, BGSU lost in the MAC Championship Game but
had 10 wins (and was a 7 point favorite over NU) and Josh Harris (who also
killed NU in 2001 when the infamous Urban Meyer was the head man at Bowling
Green) did indeed lead them on a game-winning drive after NU took a 24-21
lead late.  Credit must go to NU RB Jason Wright who ran like crazy in that
game with 237 yards on the ground plus more on kickoff returns (including
an 88 yarder).  Here's the box score:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores103/103360/20031226NCAAFBOWLGREEN-0nr.htm

Note that the Bowling Green QB coach is now NU's OC: Mick McCall.  (BGSU's
head coach was also Gregg Brandon, former NU assistant under Barnett)

Finally, regarding Purdue vs. Western Michigan (common opponents: Michigan,
who beat them both soundly, and Illinois, who barely beat W Mich the week
before they played NU but lost to Purdue): W Mich's QB (Carder) & top WR
(White, who was named to the Coaches' All-American team this week) are
good, but Purdue's defense is very solid and includes a top DT (Short) & CB
(Allen) who should be able to slow them down a bit.  I think it'll be a
close matchup, as indicated by the close point spread right now (Purdue
favored by 2).  Many people have this down their list of bowl games of
interest, but it could be an interesting game (and hopefully a chance for
the Big Ten to pick up a W).

Jonathan

--
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Contributor, HailToPurple
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On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> Boy ain't that the truth.
>
> Just ask the 2002 Walker team that lost 28-24 to BG (whatever happened
> to that QB Harris that KILLED us?).
>
> I think that Purdue is going to have similar a challenge with Western
> Michigan.  Western ranked 23rd in the FBS in total offense.  Purdue was
> 79th. Now you can discount that somewhat because few MAC teams seemed to
> play any defense, but you still have to execute at a pretty high level
> to put up those numbers.  In particular Western can really throw the
> ball.  They were in the top 10 nationally ahead of folks like Boise
> State, Arkansas, USC, and our buddies at A&M (18).
>
> On defense Purdue is looking a little better at 69 with Western at 100,
> but Purdue's real strength was pass defense (38).
>
> They are pretty even in most of the other categories.
>
> So it is the classic offense against defense matchup.  Should be a good
> one.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:02 PM
> To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Alan Abrahamson;
> Charles Herron; Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
>
> And of course playing a MAC team in a bowl does not guarantee a victory
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:51:11
> To: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; Charles
> Herron<cherron604 at aol.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
>
> IMHO Phillips has done a great job.
>
> His job is to get NU positive visibility.
>
> It's Fitz's job to win the games.
>
> I think it much better to have a tough game against a ranked opponent
> than a layup against the little sisters of the poor.  Nobody is going to
> remember us blowing out an inferior bowl opponent.  It might help our
> ego to get a bowl win, but I think it is MUCH better for recruiting to
> see our "no-name" guys going toe to toe with the best in the country.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:35 PM
> To: Charles Herron; Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
>
> BTW Mark Murphy was also an excellent AD ... let us not forget ... see
> what
> he is doing now as president of the Packers.
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
> wrote:
>
> > All,
> >
> > Have any of us compiled a list of Jim Phillips' Greatest Hits ?  Where
> > does this Texas Bowl fit on that list ?  Is it his best work to date ?
> Or
> > was that the 2009-2010 Outback Bowl ?   Does any Big Ten AD come close
> in
> > their ability to lobby/win better bowl bids ?  Is any FBS AD close or
> in
> > the same league on this ?  Does it pose a problem for us, by
> consistently
> > setting up tougher bowl game match-ups ?  How did Slick Rick, Bruce
> Corrie
> > and/or Doug Single compare ?
> >
> > Chuck Herron  Tech '85
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Dec  6 13:29:44 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:29:44 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
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For those of you who are interested Josh Harris was drafted by the
Ravens, went on the Browns, played in Canada, came back to play for the
Giants, and then played for Columbus in Arena league.  He retired in
2008, but came out of retirement this year to lead the Marion (Ohio)
Blue Racers to a second place finish in the CIFL which is one of a
number of fledgling indoor football leagues. 

Between Canada and all of the various indoor football teams, it is
interesting to see how much minor league football is out there.

Jeff


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On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:46 PM
To: hakirsch at aol.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Alan Abrahamson;
Charles Herron; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits

Boy ain't that the truth.

Just ask the 2002 Walker team that lost 28-24 to BG (whatever happened
to that QB Harris that KILLED us?).

I think that Purdue is going to have similar a challenge with Western
Michigan.  Western ranked 23rd in the FBS in total offense.  Purdue was
79th. Now you can discount that somewhat because few MAC teams seemed to
play any defense, but you still have to execute at a pretty high level
to put up those numbers.  In particular Western can really throw the
ball.  They were in the top 10 nationally ahead of folks like Boise
State, Arkansas, USC, and our buddies at A&M (18).  

On defense Purdue is looking a little better at 69 with Western at 100,
but Purdue's real strength was pass defense (38).  

They are pretty even in most of the other categories. 

So it is the classic offense against defense matchup.  Should be a good
one.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch at aol.com [mailto:hakirsch at aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 1:02 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; Alan Abrahamson;
Charles Herron; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits

And of course playing a MAC team in a bowl does not guarantee a victory

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 12:51:11 
To: Alan Abrahamson<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; Charles
Herron<cherron604 at aol.com>; Northwestern Wildcats<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits

IMHO Phillips has done a great job.

His job is to get NU positive visibility.

It's Fitz's job to win the games.

I think it much better to have a tough game against a ranked opponent
than a layup against the little sisters of the poor.  Nobody is going to
remember us blowing out an inferior bowl opponent.  It might help our
ego to get a bowl win, but I think it is MUCH better for recruiting to
see our "no-name" guys going toe to toe with the best in the country.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:35 PM
To: Charles Herron; Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits

BTW Mark Murphy was also an excellent AD ... let us not forget ... see
what
he is doing now as president of the Packers.

On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> Have any of us compiled a list of Jim Phillips' Greatest Hits ?  Where
> does this Texas Bowl fit on that list ?  Is it his best work to date ?
Or
> was that the 2009-2010 Outback Bowl ?   Does any Big Ten AD come close
in
> their ability to lobby/win better bowl bids ?  Is any FBS AD close or
in
> the same league on this ?  Does it pose a problem for us, by
consistently
> setting up tougher bowl game match-ups ?  How did Slick Rick, Bruce
Corrie
> and/or Doug Single compare ?
>
> Chuck Herron  Tech '85
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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Dec  6 16:26:15 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:26:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Ranking the Bowls
Message-ID: <8CE827CF1EE35A7-DFC-168F3@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>

Humourous article by NU's own Stewart Mandel, ranking the bowls--we are 
lower than I expected:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/12/06/bowl-rankings/index.html?xid=cnnbin



From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Dec  6 17:01:04 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 17:01:04 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Ranking the Bowls
In-Reply-To: <8CE827CF1EE35A7-DFC-168F3@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111206230104.581CE64CBC@romaine.tssi.com>

> Humourous article by NU's own Stewart Mandel, ranking the bowls--we are 
> lower than I expected:
> 
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/12/06/bowl-rankings/index.html?xid=cnnbin

Stewart is ALMOST as good a writer as he thinks he is.

Mike Huguenin at Rivals has us even lower, and has better one-liners:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ys-huguenin_monday_mike_ranking_bowls_120511

Pat Forde wasn't impressed either, but at least we weren't in the
bottom grouping:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_bowl_season_highs_lows_120611
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Dec  6 17:37:21 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 23:37:21 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Ranking the Bowls
Message-ID: <560278511-1323214590-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-317019899-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

He's a good guy.  Met him a few years back at an NU function in NY.
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ranking the Bowls
Sent: Dec 6, 2011 6:01 PM

> Humourous article by NU's own Stewart Mandel, ranking the bowls--we are 
> lower than I expected:
> 
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/12/06/bowl-rankings/index.html?xid=cnnbin

Stewart is ALMOST as good a writer as he thinks he is.

Mike Huguenin at Rivals has us even lower, and has better one-liners:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ys-huguenin_monday_mike_ranking_bowls_120511

Pat Forde wasn't impressed either, but at least we weren't in the
bottom grouping:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=pf-forde_bowl_season_highs_lows_120611
--
Mike Nolan


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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Tue Dec  6 21:52:07 2011
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 19:52:07 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
Message-ID: <1321491.1323229928388.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I disagree.  I think this is a major failure on his part.  We have no business being in this game.  We will get blown out.  Illinois got the bowl that would have been good for us.  I want to finally win a bowl game.  We have no chance in this game.  Maybe he couldn't do anything to prevent it, but it is certainly not a victory.

Clark 


-----Original Message-----
>From: Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
>Sent: Dec 6, 2011 9:31 AM
>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
>
>All,
>
>Have any of us compiled a list of Jim Phillips' Greatest Hits ?  Where does this Texas Bowl fit on that list ?  Is it his best work to date ?  Or was that the 2009-2010 Outback Bowl ?   Does any Big Ten AD come close in their ability to lobby/win better bowl bids ?  Is any FBS AD close or in the same league on this ?  Does it pose a problem for us, by consistently setting up tougher bowl game match-ups ?  How did Slick Rick, Bruce Corrie and/or Doug Single compare ?
>
>Chuck Herron  Tech '85  
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Dec  6 22:53:08 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:53:08 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
In-Reply-To: <1321491.1323229928388.JavaMail.root@mswamui-andean.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20111207045308.328B360165@romaine.tssi.com>

> I disagree.  I think this is a major failure on his part.  We have no business being in this game.  We will get blown out.  Illinois got the bowl that would have been good for us.  I want to finally win a bowl game.  We have no chance in this game.  Maybe he couldn't do anything to prevent it, but it is certainly not a victory.

I disagree that we have no chance in this game.  People kept saying we had 
no chance in the Nebraska game this year, too, one of the experts had Nebraska 
at a 97% chance to win the game.  Many of the people on this list had us 
completely out of the bowl picture in mid-October.

This year we had a chance in nearly every game, and I believe we can end
the bowl drought this year, in A&M's back yard, too!
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Dec  6 22:57:13 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 22:57:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Ranking the Bowls
In-Reply-To: <560278511-1323214590-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-317019899-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20111207045713.60478601C4@romaine.tssi.com>

The Wall Street Journal has an interesting play on the bowls, they've compared
some of the games to movies.  (Northwestern's game isn't included, though.)

The best of them is probably this one:

Hot Tub Time Machine

(Champs Sports Bowl: Florida State vs. Notre Dame, Dec. 29 in Orlando, Fla.) 
An outrageous comedy in which we're transported back to a time when these 
two programs actually mattered.

Dunno if this link will work for everyone, but try
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204903804577080610497376188.html?grcc=26ca885a54f92ee3438da941f4f667f8Z3&mod=WSJ_hps_sections_sports
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Dec  6 23:03:28 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 00:03:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
In-Reply-To: <20111207045308.328B360165@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111207045308.328B360165@romaine.tssi.com>
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My dad always taught me to "aim high".  I think Jim Phillips' dad 
taught hm that same valuable lesson.  We should all be proud that 
Phillips and Fitz want to rise to the challenge and not shrink from it. 
  Yes, it will be very tough to beat A & M in their backyard.  But, as 
Mike correctly points out, we beat Nebraska on their front lawn, in 
front of an entire stadium rooting against us.  At least at a bowl 
game, we get a decent percentage of the crowd.  I view this game a lot 
like I did before the Outback, when we were confronting an Auburn team, 
which, although it had experienced a few "down" years, came with a 
fantastic tradition and rabit fan base.  The Auburn fans were psyched 
for the Outback Bowl, but I don't think that the Aggies will have that 
same degree of intensity bawaiting acking them.  Auburn was led by a 
young, up and coming Coach, just like we were.  We still have our up 
and coming Coach, A & M has an empty waiting to be filled.  Can their D 
Coordinator rise to the occasion and lift the team--that is the big X 
Factor here.  They probably beat us if it's just talent pool against 
talent pool.  But football is more than that, otherwise we would have 
been slaughtered in Nebraska and again at home in the last game against 
MSU--when we played well, just not well enough against a very powerful, 
determined--and well-coached--team.

It's hard to "Expect Victory" when we haven't tasted it since 1949, but 
eventually we will break through.  As the Dodgers fans used to say 
before 1955, why not this year?  Then they finally were able to stop 
saying "Wait until next year."

Please, all you Cubs fans on the List, don't rain on my parade, by 
pointing out the Cubs' drought, and drawing a parallel to NU.  It's 
hard enough for me to resist bringing up my J-E-T-S, who are on the 
schneid since Joe Namath over the Colts back in Super Bowl III.

Paul Levinson
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To: clzahn <clzahn at mindspring.com>
Cc: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2011 11:53 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits

> I disagree.  I think this is a major failure on his part.  We have no 
business being in this game.  We will get blown out.  Illinois got the 
bowl that would have been good for us.  I want to finally win a bowl 
game.  We have no chance in this game.  Maybe he couldn't do anything 
to prevent it, but it is certainly not a victory.

I disagree that we have no chance in this game.  People kept saying we 
had
no chance in the Nebraska game this year, too, one of the experts had 
Nebraska
at a 97% chance to win the game.  Many of the people on this list had 
us
completely out of the bowl picture in mid-October.

This year we had a chance in nearly every game, and I believe we can end
the bowl drought this year, in A&M's back yard, too!
--
Mike Nolan

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 23:11:32 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 21:11:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
In-Reply-To: <D0B56978-EAD3-4153-8B42-3BA031C20D2E@att.net>
References: <8CE82540D74BC3D-CFC-12E32@webmail-m092.sysops.aol.com>
 <CAN7senjZq=rt0WY6y2ap77K9NazC74NOtubCo5RMRf-Y_F=X2A@mail.gmail.com>
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Whether you think Houston / playing in ATM's backyard is a "victory" for NU football, there is no doubt that Mr. Phillips has done an exceptional job of selling NU on the national scene and in the Chicago area.

NU got hosed by the bowls in our last title year of 2000, but we've "overplayed" our bowls in recent years and a lot of that is Phillips' push to get the purple out there -- not to mention getting GameDay to come to Wrigley and the move to get NUMB under the athletic department (which, I agree, was long overdue). I could not be more pleased with NU's AD and head coach right now and the job they are doing to brand Northwestern football.

Interestingly, I was flipping through channels the other night and came across the Syracuse basketball game and the one sign read "Syracuse: New York's University" or something like that ... reminded me of the "Chicago's Big Ten Team" line.

I just wish he could have gotten NU out here in Phoenix (though that would have meant an even worse matchup with Oklahoma -- not sure why the folks here opted for a repeat visit from the Hogeyes and bypassed on a PSU/OU top 25 mega-name matchup, but whatever ...) for the bowl season. One of these years!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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________________________________
 From: Michael Vance <michael.vance at att.net>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
 
I loved this quote from the Indianapolis Star article on Purdue going to Detroit:

"With Michigan securing a BCS at-large bid to the Sugar Bowl, it appeared the Boilermakers were headed to the TicketCity Bowl in Dallas.

However, Northwestern worked its way into the Meineke Car Care Bowl in Houston, giving the TicketCity Bowl an opportunity to select Penn State, which had fallen throughout the selection process. The Insight, Taxslayer.com Gator and Meineke Car Care Bowls all passed on Penn State."

http://www.indystar.com/article/20111205/SPORTS0602/112050335/Boilermakers-head-back-Detroit

I'm sure the reporter would have loved to have said "weaseled" or "finagled" but had to settle for the more friendly "worked." It still comes off as a little snarky and sour grapes-ish.

-Michael
Sent from my mobile device...

On Dec 6, 2011, at 12:51 PM, "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com> wrote:

> IMHO Phillips has done a great job.
> 
> His job is to get NU positive visibility.
> 
> It's Fitz's job to win the games.
> 
> I think it much better to have a tough game against a ranked opponent
> than a layup against the little sisters of the poor.? Nobody is going to
> remember us blowing out an inferior bowl opponent.? It might help our
> ego to get a bowl win, but I think it is MUCH better for recruiting to
> see our "no-name" guys going toe to toe with the best in the country.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 12:35 PM
> To: Charles Herron; Northwestern Wildcats
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
> 
> BTW Mark Murphy was also an excellent AD ... let us not forget ... see
> what
> he is doing now as president of the Packers.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Charles Herron <cherron604 at aol.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> Have any of us compiled a list of Jim Phillips' Greatest Hits ?? Where
>> does this Texas Bowl fit on that list ?? Is it his best work to date ?
> Or
>> was that the 2009-2010 Outback Bowl ??  Does any Big Ten AD come close
> in
>> their ability to lobby/win better bowl bids ?? Is any FBS AD close or
> in
>> the same league on this ?? Does it pose a problem for us, by
> consistently
>> setting up tougher bowl game match-ups ?? How did Slick Rick, Bruce
> Corrie
>> and/or Doug Single compare ?
>> 
>> Chuck Herron? Tech '85
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 23:20:08 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 21:20:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Ranking the Bowls
In-Reply-To: <8CE827CF1EE35A7-DFC-168F3@webmail-m034.sysops.aol.com>
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Yeah, you'd think the "DO NOT TURN OFF EARLY" line would put us higher in the pecking order.

And I agree on MSU/UGa - that's gonna be a good ole' fashion "lace 'em up and knock heads for three hours" game ... also love the dig at the Sugar Bowl VaTech selection head scratcher (if only he wouldn't suck up to the party line on the Rematch Bowl) ... and he's unfortunately probably on the under side of the St. Urban of Sanctimonious Pomposity references in Jacksonville.

But honestly, looking at the list, there are not too many I'm going to go out of my way to see. The Rose Bowl has great potential as long as I can stomach watching Chip the Cocky and the Smug Smirk of Cheddarland on the sidelines patting themselves on the back every five seconds ... and that Outback and Fiesta should make decent Jan. 2 bookends for the Granddaddy ... but really, do any others stick out as must-see games??? Nah.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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________________________________
 From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 3:26 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Ranking the Bowls
 
Humourous article by NU's own Stewart Mandel, ranking the bowls--we are lower than I expected:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/stewart_mandel/12/06/bowl-rankings/index.html?xid=cnnbin


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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Dec  6 23:38:48 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 23:38:48 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim Phillips Greatest Hits
In-Reply-To: <8CE82B4B15D0EE0-22E8-26DA7@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111207053848.F01E3601C4@romaine.tssi.com>

> Please, all you Cubs fans on the List, don't rain on my parade, by
> pointing out the Cubs' drought, and drawing a parallel to NU.  It's
> hard enough for me to resist bringing up my J-E-T-S, who are on the
> schneid since Joe Namath over the Colts back in Super Bowl III.

Naah, unlike Northwestern, the Cubs have had inept ownership and management 
dating back to the post-war era. (Which war is up for grabs.)  

In fact, inept ownership seems to be a common thread among Chicago professional
sports teams for most of the last 50+ years, with occasional exceptions.  

Whether the Ricketts family will be able to turn the Cubs around around remains 
to be seen, many of us in Nebraska aren't that impressed with the family's
managerial expertise, which is why there isn't a Ricketts in the governor's 
office here.  (Nebraska voters also decided against having a former Husker
football coach as Governor, too.)  

But the Cubs front office has been swept clean and I suspect the opening
day roster in 2013 (if not in 2012) is going to have a lot of new names
on it, too.  

Northwestern's worst years on the gridiron coincided with some of the least 
sport-oriented leadership the school has ever had, from the Board of
Trustees on down.  

By contrast, today I think we have the best leadership team from university 
president to AD to football coach that we've ever had.  (The Trustees seem
to be staying in the background doing the heavy money raising, which is what
they're best at.)
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Dec  6 23:52:39 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 23:52:39 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Ranking the Bowls
In-Reply-To: <1323235208.88803.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111207055239.E6C0861264@romaine.tssi.com>

> But honestly, looking at the list, there are not too many I'm going to go out
> of my way to see. 

Nope, disagree.  Nearly ANY college football game is better than nearly ANY
NFL game, and ANY college football game is better than no games at all.
Bowl season is the last chance to watch the best, exciting and most unpredictable 
sporting events until next fall.  (Heck, even the NC game might feature
a touchdown this time.)  

For a while I had the NBA labor follies to look forward to over the winter,
but apparently even billionaires can make a necessary business decision every
now and then, just like a blind squirrel can find a nut.  I'd rather watch a 
rerun of the 1996 Strong Man competition on ESPN (for the 37th time) than 
have to watch an NBA game.  (The Jordan years were the exception, he was such
a phenomenal athlete that you just KNEW he would do something that was impossible
for mere mortals at some point in the game.)

And as for the NHL, Rodney Dangerfield had them pegged years ago.
--
Mike Nolan



From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 23:57:21 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 05:57:21 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to
	be priority One ...
Message-ID: <1312424620-1323237443-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2077678938-@b25.c29.bise6.blackberry>

...But I wouldn't say NU has no chance to win. The Aggies' pass defense is dreadful and assuming McCall cranks it up and NU doesn't get conservative on offense the game should be competitive. 

That said, I agree with Clark that the only thing that matters is a bowl win. That awful streak is an anchor on the NU program and it needs to end. Somehow. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  7 01:02:34 2011
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 23:02:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Going out on a limb here
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References: <mailman.72.1323236333.1289.nwu-sports@tssi.com>
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I know a lot of folks here think this one can't be won, and while I am usually pretty skeptical, I feel good about this, I feel VERY good about this.

Loss by one to Oklahoma State in week three.

Loss by four to Arkansas in week four.

College Station is less than two hours from Houston.

Feh. ?

I am more interested in the fact that the Aggies lost four of their last five and can't stop a passing attack.

The line opened at -11 and has been reduced to -9.5. ?


Take the points. ?And take the over if the mark is 65 as it will be a shoot-out.

'Cats win (by less then 7) in a game that sees more than 72 points scored.

My only regret is I can't be there in person.

Go 'Cats!

Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey at yahoo.com


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  7 01:05:57 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 23:05:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Ranking the Bowls
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But that's the problem with bowl games lately -- they're not your typical college football game. The stadium's mostly empty, there are so many ads that the games take longer than a Notre Dame game on NBC and after a month off, the teams often come out sloppy and the games are rarely close. NU games aside, and B(C)S games especially, the B(C)S era has sucked meaning, life and excitement out of these bowl games. Even the once-reliable Holiday Bowl has disappointed in recent years.

I remember Bowl Day 2000, when the one-score Rose Bowl was the yawner of a day that included the Michigan/Alabama Orange Bowl classic and MSU/Florida Citrus thriller (not to mention a bizarre Purdue/Georgia Outback Bowl with a huge blown lead) ... I can't recall a bowl day with that type of excitement since (Boise/Oklahoma and Texas/USC are one-game exceptions) or a single game from last year that was as nailbiting and exciting as the Saints/F***ons Monday Night thriller that same week. Sorry, the Quiznos DC Heritage Bowl between some 6-6 ACC team and a 7-5 CUSA team just doesn't make for TiVo-worthy viewing.

Here's last year's bowl results -- remember any of these??http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/BCS-Bowl-Games-Schedule-2010-2011 I watched the Rose Bowl, of course, but it wasn't what I would call a classic game. The OSU/Arkansas game sounded interesting, but I didn't get home from work in time to see it because they moved the Sugar Bowl from Jan. 1. I did get to see some of the title game and it was a sloppy flagfest.

And how dare you besmirch hockey!!! Them's fighting words!!! :) But it only makes my point with the decay of Bowl Day and the glut of bowl season games -- do you think the Winter Classic would have even been attempted during the good ole' days? Now, hockey has become a viable alternative and a welcome escape from a UConn-Oklahoma/Stanford-VaTech yawners. I'm with you on the NBA, but they now own Christmas Day the way college football used to own New Year's Day.

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> But honestly, looking at the list, there are not too many I'm going to go out
> of my way to see. 

Nope, disagree.? Nearly ANY college football game is better than nearly ANY
NFL game, and ANY college football game is better than no games at all.
Bowl season is the last chance to watch the best, exciting and most unpredictable 
sporting events until next fall.? (Heck, even the NC game might feature
a touchdown this time.)? 

For a while I had the NBA labor follies to look forward to over the winter,
but apparently even billionaires can make a necessary business decision every
now and then, just like a blind squirrel can find a nut.? I'd rather watch a 
rerun of the 1996 Strong Man competition on ESPN (for the 37th time) than 
have to watch an NBA game.? (The Jordan years were the exception, he was such
a phenomenal athlete that you just KNEW he would do something that was impossible
for mere mortals at some point in the game.)

And as for the NHL, Rodney Dangerfield had them pegged years ago.
--
Mike Nolan

From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Dec  7 03:53:53 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:53:53 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has
	to	be priority One ...
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You go for the best (highest rated) bowl you can. Anything less is sand bagging  

Harry

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...But I wouldn't say NU has no chance to win. The Aggies' pass defense is dreadful and assuming McCall cranks it up and NU doesn't get conservative on offense the game should be competitive. 

That said, I agree with Clark that the only thing that matters is a bowl win. That awful streak is an anchor on the NU program and it needs to end. Somehow. 

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Dec  7 05:50:49 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 06:50:49 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
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Former Notre Dame QB Dayne Crist interested in transferring to Wisconsin under same rule that allowed Russell Wilson to avoid sitting out a season

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/quarterback-considers-transferring-to-uw-3v3b7em-135137728.html

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Dec  7 06:58:58 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 07:58:58 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
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"Because of the success of Russell Wilson," Bielema said, "I've been
contacted by almost 10 players who want to talk about the opportunity to
transfer in to the University of Wisconsin."

He now has the luxury of picking and choosing those players who
represent upgrades for him at positions where his recruits haven't
developed as he may have liked, or where he has issues with injuries
(QB).

Of course this also raises the issue of who gets dropped from the team
if they do add more transfers, but I suspect at programs like UW that
isn't a concern.

How long before this becomes a normal practice for every big-time
program?

Jeff

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Former Notre Dame QB Dayne Crist interested in transferring to Wisconsin
under same rule that allowed Russell Wilson to avoid sitting out a
season

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From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Dec  7 07:00:26 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:00:26 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
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So Bielema is now into rent-a-QB mode?  Can't develop his own?
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Former Notre Dame QB Dayne Crist interested in transferring to Wisconsin under same rule that allowed Russell Wilson to avoid sitting out a season

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Dec  7 07:07:55 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:07:55 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
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The next-in-line guy, Jon Budmayr, had injured his elbow.  The injury
healed but he continues to have nerve problems that have caused numbness
in his throwing hand.

Jeff

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So Bielema is now into rent-a-QB mode?  Can't develop his own?
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Former Notre Dame QB Dayne Crist interested in transferring to Wisconsin
under same rule that allowed Russell Wilson to avoid sitting out a
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Dec  7 07:28:40 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:28:40 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
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The problem with Crist is that he doesn't have nearly the proven track
record that Wilson did and is basically transferring because he has been
passed over on the depth chart.  It doesn't help that Kelly's spread system
doesn't exactly fit with Crist's abilities (Wisconsin looks like a better
fit), but he had multiple shots at the starting spot and continued to lose
them.  I highly doubt we'll see a repeat of Wilson out of Crist.

Again, I'm not worried about these kind of transfers being a huge problem.
Crist has almost earned his ND degree and once he finishes should be free
to take advantage of the rule.  Hardly anyone gets that upset at coaches
who jump ship anymore, so players should be allowed to take advantage of
this very limited opportunity.  Finally, there is no guarantee that they'll
get a starting spot after transferring or that they will be successful.

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On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> The next-in-line guy, Jon Budmayr, had injured his elbow.  The injury
> healed but he continues to have nerve problems that have caused numbness
> in his throwing hand.
>
> Jeff
>
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> So Bielema is now into rent-a-QB mode?  Can't develop his own?
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>
> Former Notre Dame QB Dayne Crist interested in transferring to Wisconsin
> under same rule that allowed Russell Wilson to avoid sitting out a
> season
>
> http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/quarterback-considers-transferrin
> g-to-uw-3v3b7em-135137728.html<http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/quarterback-considers-transferrin%0Ag-to-uw-3v3b7em-135137728.html>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Dec  7 07:51:29 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:51:29 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] =?utf-8?q?ND_QB_to_Wisc_=3F?=
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Let's see, Joe Flacco lost his starting job at Pitt, transfers to U of DE  
and eventully earns a job on the Ravens.

But a Penn State guy tries the same thing and starts, but doesn't play past  
his SR year.

I personally think its a crap shoot for kids with talent who make a choice  
then find out that they are just one of 85 guys trying for 22 slots.

All the talk has to affect Wiscy's QB recruiting, and what's to stop a top  
WR on a 85% running team or a #3 RB on a top team from doing the same thing?

It's almost like free agency and 	I'm not sure college football is ready for  
that.

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"Because of the success of Russell Wilson," Bielema said, "I've been
contacted by almost 10 players who want to talk about the opportunity to
transfer in to the University of Wisconsin."

He now has the luxury of picking and choosing those players who
represent upgrades for him at positions where his recruits haven't
developed as he may have liked, or where he has issues with injuries
(QB).

Of course this also raises the issue of who gets dropped from the team
if they do add more transfers, but I suspect at programs like UW that
isn't a concern.

How long before this becomes a normal practice for every big-time
program?

Jeff

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To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?

Former Notre Dame QB Dayne Crist interested in transferring to Wisconsin
under same rule that allowed Russell Wilson to avoid sitting out a
season

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Dec  7 07:54:06 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:54:06 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
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I have no problem with the rent a guy M.O.

While different circumstances,Cal had Aaron Rodgers for 1 year as a  transfer and it helped put Cal on a streak of several good years even after Rodgers left. 

We should be trolling for a few of these guys as an alternative. I wouldn't recommend it as our main recruitment tool,but if it could help us, I'd go for it.  Those of us old enough to remember,might recall that Mike White turned around U of I by going after JC's. Again It was a different strategy, but one that a coach saw an opportunity to exploit a rule. White abused the rule. I doubt Fitz would   

  The rule allows the immediate eligibility if your current school doesn't have a certain graduate program that the new school does (which  of course you enroll)  Short of Dental school, NU has just about every other major grad program.  

Harry
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So Bielema is now into rent-a-QB mode?  Can't develop his own?
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Former Notre Dame QB Dayne Crist interested in transferring to Wisconsin under same rule that allowed Russell Wilson to avoid sitting out a season

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Dec  7 08:16:32 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 09:16:32 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
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I guess we'll know it is being abused when we start to see "fake"
graduate programs showing up that are unique to particular institutions
and populated mainly by transfer football players.

Jeff


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I have no problem with the rent a guy M.O.

While different circumstances,Cal had Aaron Rodgers for 1 year as a
transfer and it helped put Cal on a streak of several good years even
after Rodgers left. 

We should be trolling for a few of these guys as an alternative. I
wouldn't recommend it as our main recruitment tool,but if it could help
us, I'd go for it.  Those of us old enough to remember,might recall that
Mike White turned around U of I by going after JC's. Again It was a
different strategy, but one that a coach saw an opportunity to exploit a
rule. White abused the rule. I doubt Fitz would   

  The rule allows the immediate eligibility if your current school
doesn't have a certain graduate program that the new school does (which
of course you enroll)  Short of Dental school, NU has just about every
other major grad program.  

Harry
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Sent: Dec 7, 2011 5:00 AM

So Bielema is now into rent-a-QB mode?  Can't develop his own?
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To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
Sent: Dec 7, 2011 6:50 AM

Former Notre Dame QB Dayne Crist interested in transferring to Wisconsin
under same rule that allowed Russell Wilson to avoid sitting out a
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Wed Dec  7 11:44:03 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:44:03 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has
 to be priority One ...
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  Can't elaborate due to time commitments, but count me on Clark's side on this one.  If , since 1949 had won just one bowl game, this wouldn't be an issue.  I don't want to bring up bad karma, but its the only thread, and I mean the ONLY threaad that connects us to the Dark Ages, and it needs to be cut. Don't tell me some of you haven't thought the same thing.  
   With that said, I appreciate Mr. Phillips efforts as well as the well thought posts in regards to our bowl in Houston. Of course, I will be rooting for our Cats, who once again will be looking up a loaded barrell when they take the field 12/31. 

GO CATS!!          Eric

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...But I wouldn't say NU has no chance to win. The Aggies' pass defense is 
readful and assuming McCall cranks it up and NU doesn't get conservative on 
ffense the game should be competitive. 
That said, I agree with Clark that the only thing that matters is a bowl win. 
hat awful streak is an anchor on the NU program and it needs to end. Somehow. 
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Wed Dec  7 11:57:15 2011
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 11:57:15 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS Commentary
Message-ID: <CAFRy6pEmksxc6Oez5vbo=+4tpTePPG=ZWVb-mxD58d_eF17fjg@mail.gmail.com>

Here's an interesting analysis and commentary on the BCS selection of
Alabama over Oklahoma State in the title game:

A solution for the BCS
http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7323875/a-solution-bcs

-Joe

From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Dec  7 12:10:03 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:10:03 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has
 to be priority One ...
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Regular season football goals: to win each individual game, get to the
conference championship, get bowl eligible
Bowl eligible AD goals: get to best bowl possible (location, profile, etc.)
Postseason football goal: win the bowl game.

It's pretty easy and I fully believe NU is going about it the right way.
As others have mentioned, though Texas A&M is strong on paper, they are a
6-6 team, just like NU, and had their D torched at times.  NU's offense is
very good and just as able to shred opponents, particularly with #7 behind
center.  And NU under Fitz has proven it can play with anyone, beating the
point spread in all 3 games and taking 2 to OT.

I think that this bowl and matchup are a great opportunity for NU.

Final note on this comment: "its the only thread, and I mean the ONLY
threaad that connects us to the Dark Ages, and it needs to be cut"
I'd completely agree that NU needs to get that elusive win as it's become
the 800 lb. gorilla in the room.  BUT, I'd argue that it isn't exactly a
link to the Dark Ages since NU didn't go to ANY bowls between 1949 and
1995; this will be NU's 9th between 1995 and 2011.  At least NU is putting
together consistently good regular seasons to make such trips.  (Yes, I
know there was only 1 bowl for Big Ten teams until 1975, but you get the
point).  But, it IS a reminder that NU is a perennial underdog: NU has been
the underdog in ALL 9 bowls since 1995 (not sure if they had a point spread
in 1949).

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com> wrote:

>
>
>
>  Can't elaborate due to time commitments, but count me on Clark's side on
> this one.  If , since 1949 had won just one bowl game, this wouldn't be an
> issue.  I don't want to bring up bad karma, but its the only thread, and I
> mean the ONLY threaad that connects us to the Dark Ages, and it needs to be
> cut. Don't tell me some of you haven't thought the same thing.
>   With that said, I appreciate Mr. Phillips efforts as well as the well
> thought posts in regards to our bowl in Houston. Of course, I will be
> rooting for our Cats, who once again will be looking up a loaded barrell
> when they take the field 12/31.
>
> GO CATS!!          Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
> To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:57 am
> Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has
> to be priority One ...
>
>
> ...But I wouldn't say NU has no chance to win. The Aggies' pass defense is
> readful and assuming McCall cranks it up and NU doesn't get conservative on
> ffense the game should be competitive.
> That said, I agree with Clark that the only thing that matters is a bowl
> win.
> hat awful streak is an anchor on the NU program and it needs to end.
> Somehow.
> Brad Wilson
> ent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Dec  7 12:18:18 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:18:18 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has
	to be priority One ...
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I appreciate the angst.

I certainly share the hope that NU will prevail later this month.

BUT

In the larger scope of what's good for the program, winning bowl games is way down the list.  Getting invited to a bowl game is MUCH more important to both the current team and potential recruits.

The only people who care about winning this bowl game are us, the players and coaches on this team, and their families.

Here's a little thought experiment to hopefully prove my point.

What if the playoff format was changed and the championship game was between the team that had the best ranking and the team that graduated the highest percentage of their athletes.  So NU got to play in the championship game pretty regularly.  Would we turn that down?  Would we suggest that the format change?  Would we stop trying to graduate everyone?  

No

We would proudly represent the BT and do our best to win even though it might be against long odds.

Same story here.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kunkel
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:44 PM
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...




  Can't elaborate due to time commitments, but count me on Clark's side on this one.  If , since 1949 had won just one bowl game, this wouldn't be an issue.  I don't want to bring up bad karma, but its the only thread, and I mean the ONLY threaad that connects us to the Dark Ages, and it needs to be cut. Don't tell me some of you haven't thought the same thing.  
   With that said, I appreciate Mr. Phillips efforts as well as the well thought posts in regards to our bowl in Houston. Of course, I will be rooting for our Cats, who once again will be looking up a loaded barrell when they take the field 12/31. 

GO CATS!!          Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:57 am
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...


...But I wouldn't say NU has no chance to win. The Aggies' pass defense is 
readful and assuming McCall cranks it up and NU doesn't get conservative on 
ffense the game should be competitive. 
That said, I agree with Clark that the only thing that matters is a bowl win. 
hat awful streak is an anchor on the NU program and it needs to end. Somehow. 
Brad Wilson
ent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Dec  7 12:34:15 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:34:15 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has
	to be priority One ...
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I can only add to my previous comment by saying we still talk about the 1995 season and the thrill of going to the Rose Bowl.   Few people mention we lost and that damn 4th and 13 to Keyshawn.  Sure winning would have been icing on the cake (particularly against USC) but I will never forget the expereience.  Nor will I forget going to Orlando, SA (twice) and Tampa.  They were great. Sure they were frustrating and humiliating (nebraska) but wouldn't trade it for a 5 wins in the Motor City Bowl

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 12:44:03 
To: <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has
 to be priority One ...




  Can't elaborate due to time commitments, but count me on Clark's side on this one.  If , since 1949 had won just one bowl game, this wouldn't be an issue.  I don't want to bring up bad karma, but its the only thread, and I mean the ONLY threaad that connects us to the Dark Ages, and it needs to be cut. Don't tell me some of you haven't thought the same thing.  
   With that said, I appreciate Mr. Phillips efforts as well as the well thought posts in regards to our bowl in Houston. Of course, I will be rooting for our Cats, who once again will be looking up a loaded barrell when they take the field 12/31. 

GO CATS!!          Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:57 am
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...


...But I wouldn't say NU has no chance to win. The Aggies' pass defense is 
readful and assuming McCall cranks it up and NU doesn't get conservative on 
ffense the game should be competitive. 
That said, I agree with Clark that the only thing that matters is a bowl win. 
hat awful streak is an anchor on the NU program and it needs to end. Somehow. 
Brad Wilson
ent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Wed Dec  7 12:43:24 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:43:24 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win
	has	to be priority One ...
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Actually, Jeff, I think I'd suggest that the format change. That would be a pretty silly way to determine a championship. (Not to mention lots of schools would then work on all sorts of ways to fudge their graduation numbers, further compromising the already-shaky "student athlete" concept in most of the FBS.)

I also take issue with the notion that no one outside NU team/fans "care" about merely winning a bowl game. The only thing that got mentioned about NU in Sunday's two-hour Bowl Selection Special on ESPN was that we haven't won a bowl game since 1949. This statistic is practically the first thing anyone in the media mentions when talking about the Wildcats. If we won a bowl game, that statistic would go away, and no one in the media would mention or even care who the bowl victory was against or how strong they were. I actually think the opposite of your statement is more true: the only people who care about beating a "strong" opponent in a bowl game are [among] us, the players and coaches on this team, and their families.

And Harry, Meineke/Houston ain't the Rose, nor is it more thrilling than Fight Hunger/SF or Little Caesars/Detroit. A bowl is a bowl, and a win is a win.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:18 PM
To: Eric Kunkel; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...

I appreciate the angst.

I certainly share the hope that NU will prevail later this month.

BUT

In the larger scope of what's good for the program, winning bowl games is way down the list.  Getting invited to a bowl game is MUCH more important to both the current team and potential recruits.

The only people who care about winning this bowl game are us, the players and coaches on this team, and their families.

Here's a little thought experiment to hopefully prove my point.

What if the playoff format was changed and the championship game was between the team that had the best ranking and the team that graduated the highest percentage of their athletes.  So NU got to play in the championship game pretty regularly.  Would we turn that down?  Would we suggest that the format change?  Would we stop trying to graduate everyone?  

No

We would proudly represent the BT and do our best to win even though it might be against long odds.

Same story here.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kunkel
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:44 PM
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...




  Can't elaborate due to time commitments, but count me on Clark's side on this one.  If , since 1949 had won just one bowl game, this wouldn't be an issue.  I don't want to bring up bad karma, but its the only thread, and I mean the ONLY threaad that connects us to the Dark Ages, and it needs to be cut. Don't tell me some of you haven't thought the same thing.  
   With that said, I appreciate Mr. Phillips efforts as well as the well thought posts in regards to our bowl in Houston. Of course, I will be rooting for our Cats, who once again will be looking up a loaded barrell when they take the field 12/31. 

GO CATS!!          Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:57 am
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...


...But I wouldn't say NU has no chance to win. The Aggies' pass defense is readful and assuming McCall cranks it up and NU doesn't get conservative on ffense the game should be competitive. 
That said, I agree with Clark that the only thing that matters is a bowl win. 
hat awful streak is an anchor on the NU program and it needs to end. Somehow. 
Brad Wilson
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Dec  7 12:55:05 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:55:05 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl
	winhas	to be priority One ...
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The quick summary that I was trying to get to is that only one of these games matter.  That's the BCS championship game.  All the rest of these games are exhibitions to entertain the audience.  That's why nobody remembers who won or lost - just like nobody remembers who won the senior bowl game.

The ONLY reason our bowl drought gets mentioned is because it is an interesting tidbit of news and it might encourage some viewers to tune this game in.  So at the moment, our drought improves our ratings rather than damaging them.  People like to root for underdogs, so why shouldn't we benefit from that?

If you want to take my thought experiment seriously, feel free.  I think it proved my point that the primary value is getting to play in the game and represent our conference - not the final score.  That said, I would love for NU and I'm sure Coach Fitz is using this to motivate the team.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric C West
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:43 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl winhas to be priority One ...

Actually, Jeff, I think I'd suggest that the format change. That would be a pretty silly way to determine a championship. (Not to mention lots of schools would then work on all sorts of ways to fudge their graduation numbers, further compromising the already-shaky "student athlete" concept in most of the FBS.)

I also take issue with the notion that no one outside NU team/fans "care" about merely winning a bowl game. The only thing that got mentioned about NU in Sunday's two-hour Bowl Selection Special on ESPN was that we haven't won a bowl game since 1949. This statistic is practically the first thing anyone in the media mentions when talking about the Wildcats. If we won a bowl game, that statistic would go away, and no one in the media would mention or even care who the bowl victory was against or how strong they were. I actually think the opposite of your statement is more true: the only people who care about beating a "strong" opponent in a bowl game are [among] us, the players and coaches on this team, and their families.

And Harry, Meineke/Houston ain't the Rose, nor is it more thrilling than Fight Hunger/SF or Little Caesars/Detroit. A bowl is a bowl, and a win is a win.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:18 PM
To: Eric Kunkel; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...

I appreciate the angst.

I certainly share the hope that NU will prevail later this month.

BUT

In the larger scope of what's good for the program, winning bowl games is way down the list.  Getting invited to a bowl game is MUCH more important to both the current team and potential recruits.

The only people who care about winning this bowl game are us, the players and coaches on this team, and their families.

Here's a little thought experiment to hopefully prove my point.

What if the playoff format was changed and the championship game was between the team that had the best ranking and the team that graduated the highest percentage of their athletes.  So NU got to play in the championship game pretty regularly.  Would we turn that down?  Would we suggest that the format change?  Would we stop trying to graduate everyone?  

No

We would proudly represent the BT and do our best to win even though it might be against long odds.

Same story here.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kunkel
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:44 PM
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...




  Can't elaborate due to time commitments, but count me on Clark's side on this one.  If , since 1949 had won just one bowl game, this wouldn't be an issue.  I don't want to bring up bad karma, but its the only thread, and I mean the ONLY threaad that connects us to the Dark Ages, and it needs to be cut. Don't tell me some of you haven't thought the same thing.  
   With that said, I appreciate Mr. Phillips efforts as well as the well thought posts in regards to our bowl in Houston. Of course, I will be rooting for our Cats, who once again will be looking up a loaded barrell when they take the field 12/31. 

GO CATS!!          Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:57 am
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...


...But I wouldn't say NU has no chance to win. The Aggies' pass defense is readful and assuming McCall cranks it up and NU doesn't get conservative on ffense the game should be competitive. 
That said, I agree with Clark that the only thing that matters is a bowl win. 
hat awful streak is an anchor on the NU program and it needs to end. Somehow. 
Brad Wilson
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 12:59:13 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:59:13 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has
 to be priority One ...
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Nobody disputes that we want to win the bowl game but I wouldn't trade down
just to get a win.  The best bowl game you can get to does more for the
program in the long run that a win against a MAC school would do.  The
exposure is greater both in likely TV viewers and in recruiting, especially
in Texas a hot recruiting area.  Recruits tend to pay attention to things
like which bowl you go to not whether you win it. The bowl experience for
the players is also generally better as you move up the food chain because
there is more money to spend on the participants' activities in the week
leading up to the game, plus the SWAG also tends to be a bit better the
higher up you go although SWAG is also greatly influenced by the identity
of the title sponsor.

Bottom line, for the greater long-term benefit to the program, take the
bowl that is the highest up the food chain barring highly unusual
circumstances.
Mark
*

Mark S. Ament*
sportsbiz at gmail.com


*
*



On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Eric C West <e-west at northwestern.edu> wrote:

> Actually, Jeff, I think I'd suggest that the format change. That would be
> a pretty silly way to determine a championship. (Not to mention lots of
> schools would then work on all sorts of ways to fudge their graduation
> numbers, further compromising the already-shaky "student athlete" concept
> in most of the FBS.)
>
> I also take issue with the notion that no one outside NU team/fans "care"
> about merely winning a bowl game. The only thing that got mentioned about
> NU in Sunday's two-hour Bowl Selection Special on ESPN was that we haven't
> won a bowl game since 1949. This statistic is practically the first thing
> anyone in the media mentions when talking about the Wildcats. If we won a
> bowl game, that statistic would go away, and no one in the media would
> mention or even care who the bowl victory was against or how strong they
> were. I actually think the opposite of your statement is more true: the
> only people who care about beating a "strong" opponent in a bowl game are
> [among] us, the players and coaches on this team, and their families.
>
> And Harry, Meineke/Houston ain't the Rose, nor is it more thrilling than
> Fight Hunger/SF or Little Caesars/Detroit. A bowl is a bowl, and a win is a
> win.
>
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:18 PM
> To: Eric Kunkel; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win
> has to be priority One ...
>
> I appreciate the angst.
>
> I certainly share the hope that NU will prevail later this month.
>
> BUT
>
> In the larger scope of what's good for the program, winning bowl games is
> way down the list.  Getting invited to a bowl game is MUCH more important
> to both the current team and potential recruits.
>
> The only people who care about winning this bowl game are us, the players
> and coaches on this team, and their families.
>
> Here's a little thought experiment to hopefully prove my point.
>
> What if the playoff format was changed and the championship game was
> between the team that had the best ranking and the team that graduated the
> highest percentage of their athletes.  So NU got to play in the
> championship game pretty regularly.  Would we turn that down?  Would we
> suggest that the format change?  Would we stop trying to graduate everyone?
>
> No
>
> We would proudly represent the BT and do our best to win even though it
> might be against long odds.
>
> Same story here.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Eric Kunkel
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:44 PM
> To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win
> has to be priority One ...
>
>
>
>
>  Can't elaborate due to time commitments, but count me on Clark's side on
> this one.  If , since 1949 had won just one bowl game, this wouldn't be an
> issue.  I don't want to bring up bad karma, but its the only thread, and I
> mean the ONLY threaad that connects us to the Dark Ages, and it needs to be
> cut. Don't tell me some of you haven't thought the same thing.
>   With that said, I appreciate Mr. Phillips efforts as well as the well
> thought posts in regards to our bowl in Houston. Of course, I will be
> rooting for our Cats, who once again will be looking up a loaded barrell
> when they take the field 12/31.
>
> GO CATS!!          Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
> To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:57 am
> Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has
> to be priority One ...
>
>
> ...But I wouldn't say NU has no chance to win. The Aggies' pass defense is
> readful and assuming McCall cranks it up and NU doesn't get conservative on
> ffense the game should be competitive.
> That said, I agree with Clark that the only thing that matters is a bowl
> win.
> hat awful streak is an anchor on the NU program and it needs to end.
> Somehow.
> Brad Wilson
> ent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Wed Dec  7 13:28:53 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 19:28:53 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl
	winhas	to be priority One ...
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I think I took it seriously, as seriously as it could be taken given the concept. Wanting them to win and thinking it would be a silly format are not mutually exclusive. By the same token, wanting them to beat Texas A&M and being just as happy if they would have beaten UCLA or Western Michigan are not inconsistent feelings either. To put more of a point on it: whether it's a championship game or a "better" bowl, I'd rather we get there because we earned it on the field than because our AD is great at promoting us. I don?t want to be Notre Dame.

I also disagree about the only reason our bowl drought gets mentioned: it's merely an easy thing for "talking heads" to say about the Wildcats so they don't have to do any real research about our team and its situation (unlike how they treated several other teams on their preview show, including Texas A&M). It's a stretch to think that the drought would truly get any non-NU fans to turn in when they wouldn't otherwise, and I certainly don't want to think you're suggesting that we should keep losing bowl games so our ratings will keep going up and up.

The issue of what is "exhibition" and what "matters" (frankly, one could say nothing in college football or even sports in general really "matters") is a huge separate discussion that doesn't really come into play with my opinion here. Certainly, I wouldn?t refuse any bowl bid that was offered, and I also believe we're as capable of beating Texas A&M as we are of losing to Army. But I WANT US TO WIN. The notion of "better" bowls potentially helping recruiting and building the program, etc., etc. -- that's all well and good, but isn't that all in service of, you know, WINNING? Because if we don't eventually win, maybe that theory is flawed.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:55 PM
To: Eric C West; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl winhas to be priority One ...

The quick summary that I was trying to get to is that only one of these games matter.  That's the BCS championship game.  All the rest of these games are exhibitions to entertain the audience.  That's why nobody remembers who won or lost - just like nobody remembers who won the senior bowl game.

The ONLY reason our bowl drought gets mentioned is because it is an interesting tidbit of news and it might encourage some viewers to tune this game in.  So at the moment, our drought improves our ratings rather than damaging them.  People like to root for underdogs, so why shouldn't we benefit from that?

If you want to take my thought experiment seriously, feel free.  I think it proved my point that the primary value is getting to play in the game and represent our conference - not the final score.  That said, I would love for NU and I'm sure Coach Fitz is using this to motivate the team.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric C West
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:43 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl winhas to be priority One ...

Actually, Jeff, I think I'd suggest that the format change. That would be a pretty silly way to determine a championship. (Not to mention lots of schools would then work on all sorts of ways to fudge their graduation numbers, further compromising the already-shaky "student athlete" concept in most of the FBS.)

I also take issue with the notion that no one outside NU team/fans "care" about merely winning a bowl game. The only thing that got mentioned about NU in Sunday's two-hour Bowl Selection Special on ESPN was that we haven't won a bowl game since 1949. This statistic is practically the first thing anyone in the media mentions when talking about the Wildcats. If we won a bowl game, that statistic would go away, and no one in the media would mention or even care who the bowl victory was against or how strong they were. I actually think the opposite of your statement is more true: the only people who care about beating a "strong" opponent in a bowl game are [among] us, the players and coaches on this team, and their families.

And Harry, Meineke/Houston ain't the Rose, nor is it more thrilling than Fight Hunger/SF or Little Caesars/Detroit. A bowl is a bowl, and a win is a win.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:18 PM
To: Eric Kunkel; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...

I appreciate the angst.

I certainly share the hope that NU will prevail later this month.

BUT

In the larger scope of what's good for the program, winning bowl games is way down the list.  Getting invited to a bowl game is MUCH more important to both the current team and potential recruits.

The only people who care about winning this bowl game are us, the players and coaches on this team, and their families.

Here's a little thought experiment to hopefully prove my point.

What if the playoff format was changed and the championship game was between the team that had the best ranking and the team that graduated the highest percentage of their athletes.  So NU got to play in the championship game pretty regularly.  Would we turn that down?  Would we suggest that the format change?  Would we stop trying to graduate everyone?  

No

We would proudly represent the BT and do our best to win even though it might be against long odds.

Same story here.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kunkel
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:44 PM
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...




  Can't elaborate due to time commitments, but count me on Clark's side on this one.  If , since 1949 had won just one bowl game, this wouldn't be an issue.  I don't want to bring up bad karma, but its the only thread, and I mean the ONLY threaad that connects us to the Dark Ages, and it needs to be cut. Don't tell me some of you haven't thought the same thing.  
   With that said, I appreciate Mr. Phillips efforts as well as the well thought posts in regards to our bowl in Houston. Of course, I will be rooting for our Cats, who once again will be looking up a loaded barrell when they take the field 12/31. 

GO CATS!!          Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:57 am
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...


...But I wouldn't say NU has no chance to win. The Aggies' pass defense is readful and assuming McCall cranks it up and NU doesn't get conservative on ffense the game should be competitive. 
That said, I agree with Clark that the only thing that matters is a bowl win. 
hat awful streak is an anchor on the NU program and it needs to end. Somehow. 
Brad Wilson
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Dec  7 14:18:04 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 15:18:04 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A
	bowlwinhas	to be priority One ...
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If "being Notre Dame" means consistently getting invited to better bowl games than our peers in the BT with similar records, I don't see anything wrong with that.  That's because it means that the bowl committees recognize that we are good partners in what is generally an activity intended to benefit the local community.  It means our fans travel in good numbers.  It means they are generous, polite, and respectful while they are in town; and hopefully welcome to return.  It means we have a good AD on the job promoting what is best about NU.

While I would suggest that losing games is about the only attractive thing about the Cubs, it certainly is not the success plan I advocate for NU.  The reality, however, is that we are currently perceived outside the BT as the perennial scrappy underdog.  The "talking heads" perpetuate that narrative because it is easy and resonates with their audiences, and (you're right) frees them from doing their homework.  Again no damage done, particularly if it gets our name mentioned more often than the rest of the 6-6 teams playing in the post season. 

As far as winning, perhaps this helps.  

Winning during the regular season IS important.  You have to WIN at least six games in the regular season in order to qualify for a bowl game.  You get the same amount of post season practice, pre-game visibility, and recruiting benefit from a bowl game whether you win or lose.  The value of that post season practice, visibility, and recruiting boost is realized in the seasons which follow a bowl game.  So those teams who regularly play in bowl games (like NU) have a significant advantage in the regular season over the teams who don't regularly play in bowl games.  Those teams who win bowl games DON'T gain a significant additional advantage in the regular season over those team who lose bowl games. 

Do we all like to win?  Of course.

Does it hurt when we lose?  Of course.

Does Fitz want to win every game he prepares the team for? Of course.

Does a loss in a bowl game hurt the team's chances to win in the regular season? No.

Jeff 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric C West
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 2:29 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowlwinhas to be priority One ...

I think I took it seriously, as seriously as it could be taken given the concept. Wanting them to win and thinking it would be a silly format are not mutually exclusive. By the same token, wanting them to beat Texas A&M and being just as happy if they would have beaten UCLA or Western Michigan are not inconsistent feelings either. To put more of a point on it: whether it's a championship game or a "better" bowl, I'd rather we get there because we earned it on the field than because our AD is great at promoting us. I don?t want to be Notre Dame.

I also disagree about the only reason our bowl drought gets mentioned: it's merely an easy thing for "talking heads" to say about the Wildcats so they don't have to do any real research about our team and its situation (unlike how they treated several other teams on their preview show, including Texas A&M). It's a stretch to think that the drought would truly get any non-NU fans to turn in when they wouldn't otherwise, and I certainly don't want to think you're suggesting that we should keep losing bowl games so our ratings will keep going up and up.

The issue of what is "exhibition" and what "matters" (frankly, one could say nothing in college football or even sports in general really "matters") is a huge separate discussion that doesn't really come into play with my opinion here. Certainly, I wouldn?t refuse any bowl bid that was offered, and I also believe we're as capable of beating Texas A&M as we are of losing to Army. But I WANT US TO WIN. The notion of "better" bowls potentially helping recruiting and building the program, etc., etc. -- that's all well and good, but isn't that all in service of, you know, WINNING? Because if we don't eventually win, maybe that theory is flawed.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:55 PM
To: Eric C West; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl winhas to be priority One ...

The quick summary that I was trying to get to is that only one of these games matter.  That's the BCS championship game.  All the rest of these games are exhibitions to entertain the audience.  That's why nobody remembers who won or lost - just like nobody remembers who won the senior bowl game.

The ONLY reason our bowl drought gets mentioned is because it is an interesting tidbit of news and it might encourage some viewers to tune this game in.  So at the moment, our drought improves our ratings rather than damaging them.  People like to root for underdogs, so why shouldn't we benefit from that?

If you want to take my thought experiment seriously, feel free.  I think it proved my point that the primary value is getting to play in the game and represent our conference - not the final score.  That said, I would love for NU and I'm sure Coach Fitz is using this to motivate the team.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric C West
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:43 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl winhas to be priority One ...

Actually, Jeff, I think I'd suggest that the format change. That would be a pretty silly way to determine a championship. (Not to mention lots of schools would then work on all sorts of ways to fudge their graduation numbers, further compromising the already-shaky "student athlete" concept in most of the FBS.)

I also take issue with the notion that no one outside NU team/fans "care" about merely winning a bowl game. The only thing that got mentioned about NU in Sunday's two-hour Bowl Selection Special on ESPN was that we haven't won a bowl game since 1949. This statistic is practically the first thing anyone in the media mentions when talking about the Wildcats. If we won a bowl game, that statistic would go away, and no one in the media would mention or even care who the bowl victory was against or how strong they were. I actually think the opposite of your statement is more true: the only people who care about beating a "strong" opponent in a bowl game are [among] us, the players and coaches on this team, and their families.

And Harry, Meineke/Houston ain't the Rose, nor is it more thrilling than Fight Hunger/SF or Little Caesars/Detroit. A bowl is a bowl, and a win is a win.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:18 PM
To: Eric Kunkel; bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...

I appreciate the angst.

I certainly share the hope that NU will prevail later this month.

BUT

In the larger scope of what's good for the program, winning bowl games is way down the list.  Getting invited to a bowl game is MUCH more important to both the current team and potential recruits.

The only people who care about winning this bowl game are us, the players and coaches on this team, and their families.

Here's a little thought experiment to hopefully prove my point.

What if the playoff format was changed and the championship game was between the team that had the best ranking and the team that graduated the highest percentage of their athletes.  So NU got to play in the championship game pretty regularly.  Would we turn that down?  Would we suggest that the format change?  Would we stop trying to graduate everyone?  

No

We would proudly represent the BT and do our best to win even though it might be against long odds.

Same story here.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Eric Kunkel
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:44 PM
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...




  Can't elaborate due to time commitments, but count me on Clark's side on this one.  If , since 1949 had won just one bowl game, this wouldn't be an issue.  I don't want to bring up bad karma, but its the only thread, and I mean the ONLY threaad that connects us to the Dark Ages, and it needs to be cut. Don't tell me some of you haven't thought the same thing.  
   With that said, I appreciate Mr. Phillips efforts as well as the well thought posts in regards to our bowl in Houston. Of course, I will be rooting for our Cats, who once again will be looking up a loaded barrell when they take the field 12/31. 

GO CATS!!          Eric

-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2011 12:57 am
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has to be priority One ...


...But I wouldn't say NU has no chance to win. The Aggies' pass defense is readful and assuming McCall cranks it up and NU doesn't get conservative on ffense the game should be competitive. 
That said, I agree with Clark that the only thing that matters is a bowl win. 
hat awful streak is an anchor on the NU program and it needs to end. Somehow. 
Brad Wilson
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Dec  7 17:00:41 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 18:00:41 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] I understand Clark's frustration ... A bowl win has
	to be priority One ...
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<Final note on this comment: "its the only thread, and I mean the ONLY
threaad that connects us to the Dark Ages, and it needs to be cut"
I'd completely agree that NU needs to get that elusive win as it's become
the 800 lb. gorilla in the room.  BUT, I'd argue that it isn't exactly a
link to the Dark Ages since NU didn't go to ANY bowls between 1949 and
1995; this will be NU's 9th between 1995 and 2011.

Sorry, but that is a meaningless comparison.  NU has gone to bowls in the 
past decade and a half because there are so blasted many of them.  They 
didn't go to bowl games between 1949 and 1995 because A) they usually had 
awful teams, and B), in the case of in 1962 and 1970, there was no game 
available.  While four bowl games (as once there were) was insufficient, I 
would argue that NO 6-6 team should be going to post-season.  Yes, I know 
it's good for the teams involved, but the entire bowl scene has been 
cheapened by the sheer abundance of them.  We beat five weak teams and 
somehow we get rewarded.  We're not alone in that regard, but it makes no 
sense. 


From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Dec  8 11:29:46 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:29:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Replacement for Zook?
Message-ID: <8CE83E61D789ADA-22E8-4503F@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com>

Looks like Illinois is about to name Ron Zook's successor, and like 
Minnesota last year with Jerry Kill (and NU, with Randy Walker), the 
Illini are looking to the MAC for their new Head Coach, if this report 
in today's Tribune is accurate:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-illinois-picks-toledos-beckman-to-replace-zook-20111208,0,2255312.story



From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Dec  8 12:04:33 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:04:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Replacement for Zook?
In-Reply-To: <8CE83E61D789ADA-22E8-4503F@Webmail-m111.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111208180433.976DB64C0D@romaine.tssi.com>

> Looks like Illinois is about to name Ron Zook's successor, and like 
> Minnesota last year with Jerry Kill (and NU, with Randy Walker), the 
> Illini are looking to the MAC for their new Head Coach, if this report 
> in today's Tribune is accurate:
> 
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-illinois-picks-toledos-beckman-to-replace-zook-20111208,0,2255312.story

Considering some of the names that had been floated, settling for Toledo
coach Tim Beckman is not going to be a big splash hire.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Dec  8 12:07:43 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:07:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
Message-ID: <20111208180743.78C1164CBC@romaine.tssi.com>

Former Northwestern and NFL star Napolean Harris is running for
the Illinois senate.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/9287040-418/former-nfl-northwestern-linebacker-harris-seeking-meeks-senate-seat.html
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Dec  8 12:10:33 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:10:33 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
Message-ID: <1675872568-1323367834-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1593879082-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Outside of being involved in the Randy Moss trade to Oakland,not sure what credentials he offers
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Sent: Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM

Former Northwestern and NFL star Napolean Harris is running for
the Illinois senate.

http://www.suntimes.com/news/9287040-418/former-nfl-northwestern-linebacker-harris-seeking-meeks-senate-seat.html
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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Dec  8 12:13:19 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 12:13:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
In-Reply-To: <1675872568-1323367834-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1593879082-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20111208181319.66E7664CE4@romaine.tssi.com>

> Outside of being involved in the Randy Moss trade to Oakland,not sure what credentials he offers

That's more credentials than many first-time candidates have, and more than
some elected politicians can claim after several years in office. :-)

BTW, I mis-spelled his name, it is 'Napoleon'.  Sorry.
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Mike Nolan

> ------Original Message------
> From: Mike Nolan
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
> Sent: Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM
> 
> Former Northwestern and NFL star Napolean Harris is running for
> the Illinois senate.
> 
> http://www.suntimes.com/news/9287040-418/former-nfl-northwestern-linebacker-harris-seeking-meeks-senate-seat.html
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
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> 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  8 12:13:23 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (Stephen Truog)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 11:13:23 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
In-Reply-To: <20111208180743.78C1164CBC@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111208180743.78C1164CBC@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <15B618EA-BE84-424B-897F-272772035909@yahoo.com>

Good for Napo - always seemed like a smart guy and we sat by his family at a game once and they were nice people -- go cats!

STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com


On Dec 8, 2011, at 11:07 AM, nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:

> Former Northwestern and NFL star Napolean Harris is running for
> the Illinois senate.
> 
> http://www.suntimes.com/news/9287040-418/former-nfl-northwestern-linebacker-harris-seeking-meeks-senate-seat.html
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Dec  8 12:43:28 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:43:28 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
In-Reply-To: <20111208181319.66E7664CE4@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1675872568-1323367834-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1593879082-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
 <20111208181319.66E7664CE4@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu61M2hRT-XHF6HdypocDTUxEFD=d7LMx0E8ScMtOEoUbQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, but has to be said: His best credential in running for office in
Illinois is that he is not a convicted felon.

(that's one benefit of no longer living there)

Jonathan

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On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > Outside of being involved in the Randy Moss trade to Oakland,not sure
> what credentials he offers
>
> That's more credentials than many first-time candidates have, and more than
> some elected politicians can claim after several years in office. :-)
>
> BTW, I mis-spelled his name, it is 'Napoleon'.  Sorry.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Mike Nolan
> > Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> > To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
> > Sent: Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM
> >
> > Former Northwestern and NFL star Napolean Harris is running for
> > the Illinois senate.
> >
> >
> http://www.suntimes.com/news/9287040-418/former-nfl-northwestern-linebacker-harris-seeking-meeks-senate-seat.html
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> >
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Dec  8 12:45:42 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:45:42 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu61M2hRT-XHF6HdypocDTUxEFD=d7LMx0E8ScMtOEoUbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1675872568-1323367834-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1593879082-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
 <20111208181319.66E7664CE4@romaine.tssi.com>
 <CAAxRJu61M2hRT-XHF6HdypocDTUxEFD=d7LMx0E8ScMtOEoUbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <339400207-1323369943-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1524488110-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

And a NU grad at that. As the most recent high profile conviction is from my class of 1979
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
Sender: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:43:28 
To: Mike Nolan<nolan at tssi.com>
Cc: <hakirsch at aol.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?

Sorry, but has to be said: His best credential in running for office in
Illinois is that he is not a convicted felon.

(that's one benefit of no longer living there)

Jonathan

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On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > Outside of being involved in the Randy Moss trade to Oakland,not sure
> what credentials he offers
>
> That's more credentials than many first-time candidates have, and more than
> some elected politicians can claim after several years in office. :-)
>
> BTW, I mis-spelled his name, it is 'Napoleon'.  Sorry.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Mike Nolan
> > Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> > To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
> > Sent: Dec 8, 2011 10:07 AM
> >
> > Former Northwestern and NFL star Napolean Harris is running for
> > the Illinois senate.
> >
> >
> http://www.suntimes.com/news/9287040-418/former-nfl-northwestern-linebacker-harris-seeking-meeks-senate-seat.html
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Dec  8 13:21:46 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:21:46 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
References: <20111208180743.78C1164CBC@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <F63C841AE33B44F9B08A94BFCE40784F@dennismachine>

> Former Northwestern and NFL star Napolean Harris is running for
> the Illinois senate.

Alas, as a Democrat.


From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Dec  8 13:35:49 2011
From: cherron604 at aol.com (Charles Herron)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:35:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
In-Reply-To: <F63C841AE33B44F9B08A94BFCE40784F@dennismachine>
References: <20111208180743.78C1164CBC@romaine.tssi.com>
 <F63C841AE33B44F9B08A94BFCE40784F@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <8CE83F7B9671BF2-1FEC-34A13@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com>

According to Mike's link, He will be running in James Meeks' South-side city district.  In all likelihood, the district probably has not in recent memory elected a non-Democrat.  My guess would be that most years, the Republican Party hasn't even fielded a candidate.

Chuck Herron  Tech '85 
 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>; Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 8, 2011 2:22 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?


> Former Northwestern and NFL star Napolean Harris is running for

> the Illinois senate.



Alas, as a Democrat.



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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Dec  8 13:43:46 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:43:46 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
References: <20111208180743.78C1164CBC@romaine.tssi.com>
 <F63C841AE33B44F9B08A94BFCE40784F@dennismachine>
 <8CE83F7B9671BF2-1FEC-34A13@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C307B797DCB648B892CDEB5BCD0F98A5@dennismachine>

<According to Mike's link, He will be running in James Meeks' South-side city district.  In all likelihood, the district probably has not in recent memory elected a non-Democrat.  My guess would be that most years, the <Republican Party hasn't even fielded a candidate.

I know.  But still I say, "alas."  Chicago desperately needs to become a two-party town, but I won't hold my breath.

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Dec  8 13:48:05 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:48:05 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
In-Reply-To: <C307B797DCB648B892CDEB5BCD0F98A5@dennismachine>
References: <20111208180743.78C1164CBC@romaine.tssi.com>
 <F63C841AE33B44F9B08A94BFCE40784F@dennismachine>
 <8CE83F7B9671BF2-1FEC-34A13@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com>
 <C307B797DCB648B892CDEB5BCD0F98A5@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C9002@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

"Our blacks are so much better than their blacks. To become a black
Republican, you don't just roll into it. You're not going with the
flow...and that's why we have very impressive blacks in the Republican
party." Ann Coulter

I am happy to hear that Napoleon Harris is NOT one of Ann Coulter's
"blacks".

He has all of the capability to impressive all on his own.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 2:44 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com; nolan at tssi.com; Charles Herron
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?

<According to Mike's link, He will be running in James Meeks' South-side
city district.  In all likelihood, the district probably has not in
recent memory elected a non-Democrat.  My guess would be that most
years, the <Republican Party hasn't even fielded a candidate.

I know.  But still I say, "alas."  Chicago desperately needs to become a
two-party town, but I won't hold my breath.
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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Dec  8 14:00:19 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:00:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu61M2hRT-XHF6HdypocDTUxEFD=d7LMx0E8ScMtOEoUbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111208200019.1C10064C4E@romaine.tssi.com>

> Sorry, but has to be said: His best credential in running for office in
> Illinois is that he is not a convicted felon.
> 
> (that's one benefit of no longer living there)

I thought in Illinois you didn't become a convicted felon until
after you were elected.

Illinois doesn't need a Governor's Mansion, it needs a Governor's cell block.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Dec  8 14:09:56 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:09:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Reminder about politics
Message-ID: <20111208200956.55F2164CE4@romaine.tssi.com>

Let's try to keep in mind that while Napo running for office is
moderately newsworthy as far as it relates to Northwestern (and there
isn't a lot of sports news right now), the political (and religious) 
leanings of individual list members are still off-topic here.  
--
Mike Nolan, List Manager


From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Dec  8 14:12:27 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:12:27 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
In-Reply-To: <8CE83F7B9671BF2-1FEC-34A13@webmail-d042.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111208201227.E7A6F64CE4@romaine.tssi.com>

> According to Mike's link, He will be running in James Meeks' South-side city
> district.  In all likelihood, the district probably has not in recent 
> memory elected a non-Democrat.  My guess would be that most years, the 
> Republican Party hasn't even fielded a candidate.

So I guess the question is who he might face in the primary.  Maybe
some former Illini athlete will run and they can debate the merits
of NU's new slogan about being Chicago's Big Ten team. :-)
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Dec  8 14:18:41 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 20:18:41 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
Message-ID: <357061119-1323375522-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-324763396-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Then in that instance we would have to mix politics and sports!

 I guess for not mixing religion and sports, we were fortunate not to have played a Tebow led Gator team 

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: Charles Herron
Cc: tbng at comcast.net
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
Sent: Dec 8, 2011 12:12 PM

> According to Mike's link, He will be running in James Meeks' South-side city
> district.  In all likelihood, the district probably has not in recent 
> memory elected a non-Democrat.  My guess would be that most years, the 
> Republican Party hasn't even fielded a candidate.

So I guess the question is who he might face in the primary.  Maybe
some former Illini athlete will run and they can debate the merits
of NU's new slogan about being Chicago's Big Ten team. :-)
--
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From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Dec  8 14:43:55 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 14:43:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
In-Reply-To: <357061119-1323375522-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-324763396-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20111208204356.0E41664C4E@romaine.tssi.com>

I've never been sure whether Cubs/White Sox is a poltics issue or
a religion one, it has aspects of both.

Back when many of us were in school, Uno's and Due's had the same
fervor.  

Some years ago I was at a networking convention where the speaker
was referring to the network protocol hierarchy stack and how to 
handle the negotiations at each level.

At the top of his stack were 'Politics' and 'Religion'.
--
Mike Nolan


From thiegs at umn.edu  Thu Dec  8 15:11:24 2011
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 15:11:24 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
In-Reply-To: <20111208204356.0E41664C4E@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <357061119-1323375522-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-324763396-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
 <20111208204356.0E41664C4E@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <CAFRy6pFjuYc5diGpnV6yjVd6hxT+3msxE47JWZAa_GbPo6Hhqg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 2:43 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

Back when many of us were in school, Uno's and Due's had the same
fervor.

When it comes to Chicago-style pizza, I'm a Unitarian.  Uno, Due,
Giordano's, Gino's, Carmen's, Lou Malnati's, Edwardo's . . . I affirm and
accept the inherent worth and value of all deep-dish pizzas, and think
there is something to be appreciated in each.

That said, whenever we make the pilgrimage to Chicago/Evanston for an NU
football game, we always order a half-baked, frozen Giordano's pizza to
pick up and bring back home on our return trip.  :)

-Joe

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  8 15:43:31 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 13:43:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
In-Reply-To: <CAFRy6pFjuYc5diGpnV6yjVd6hxT+3msxE47JWZAa_GbPo6Hhqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <357061119-1323375522-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-324763396-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
 <20111208204356.0E41664C4E@romaine.tssi.com>
 <CAFRy6pFjuYc5diGpnV6yjVd6hxT+3msxE47JWZAa_GbPo6Hhqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1323380611.12240.YahooMailNeo@web161006.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

>When it comes to Chicago-style pizza, I'm a Unitarian.? Uno, Due,
>Giordano's, Gino's, Carmen's, Lou Malnati's, Edwardo's . . . I affirm and
>accept the inherent worth and value of all deep-dish pizzas, and think
>there is something to be appreciated in each.


Hear, hear!?

FYI, Giordani's in Evanston just moved from Davis street to a nearby location on Chicago Ave. Looks like they did a nice job building out the space, but I haven't actually been inside yet.?

Tom



From nolan at tssi.com  Thu Dec  8 16:58:56 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 16:58:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Charlie Weis hired at Kansas
Message-ID: <20111208225856.E3E51651D8@romaine.tssi.com>

Well, this one comes as a surprise, Kansas has hired former Notre
Dame coach Charlie Weiss.
--
Mike Nolan


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Dec  8 17:03:24 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 18:03:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
Message-ID: <108a5.652f1d9b.3c129c3c@aol.com>

even though the founder of uno and due, Ike Sewell was a friend of mine, he 
 gave me a credit card for the place in about 1965, Gino's was my  pick.

From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Dec  8 17:03:56 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 23:03:56 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Charlie Weis hired at Kansas
Message-ID: <67868943-1323385437-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-929589289-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

That is a surprise.  He must have gotten a huge severance from ND since he had a 15 year deal there before getting canned.  I guess he is a glutton for punishment

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Charlie Weis hired at Kansas
Sent: Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM

Well, this one comes as a surprise, Kansas has hired former Notre
Dame coach Charlie Weiss.
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 17:14:14 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 15:14:14 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Charlie Weis hired at Kansas
In-Reply-To: <67868943-1323385437-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-929589289-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <67868943-1323385437-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-929589289-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <7510974596682761089@unknownmsgid>

Charlie Weis and "glutton" in the same sentence. So clever, Mr. Kirsch.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 8, 2011, at 3:04 PM, "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com> wrote:

> That is a surprise.  He must have gotten a huge severance from ND since he had a 15 year deal there before getting canned.  I guess he is a glutton for punishment
>
> Harry
> ------Original Message------
> From: Mike Nolan
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Charlie Weis hired at Kansas
> Sent: Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM
>
> Well, this one comes as a surprise, Kansas has hired former Notre
> Dame coach Charlie Weiss.
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>
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From michael.vance at att.net  Thu Dec  8 18:46:58 2011
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 19:46:58 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Will it be Sen. Napolean Harris?
In-Reply-To: <C307B797DCB648B892CDEB5BCD0F98A5@dennismachine>
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So do Dupage County (where I used to live) and Hamilton County Indiana 
(where I live now). They're both single-party with an 'R'. But I'm not 
holding my breath about them, either.

But enough about politics....

-Michael

On 12/8/2011 2:43 PM, Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
> <According to Mike's link, He will be running in James Meeks' South-side city district.  In all likelihood, the district probably has not in recent memory elected a non-Democrat.  My guess would be that most years, the<Republican Party hasn't even fielded a candidate.
>
> I know.  But still I say, "alas."  Chicago desperately needs to become a two-party town, but I won't hold my breath.
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From michael.vance at att.net  Thu Dec  8 18:49:47 2011
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 19:49:47 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Charlie Weis hired at Kansas
In-Reply-To: <7510974596682761089@unknownmsgid>
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Better than the jokes that ran through my head about there aparently 
being a minimum size requirement to coach football at Kansas.

-Michael

On 12/8/2011 6:14 PM, Alan Abrahamson wrote:
> Charlie Weis and "glutton" in the same sentence. So clever, Mr. Kirsch.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 8, 2011, at 3:04 PM, "hakirsch at aol.com"<hakirsch at aol.com>  wrote:
>
>> That is a surprise.  He must have gotten a huge severance from ND since he had a 15 year deal there before getting canned.  I guess he is a glutton for punishment
>>
>> Harry
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Mike Nolan
>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
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>> Subject: [NU Sports] Charlie Weis hired at Kansas
>> Sent: Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM
>>
>> Well, this one comes as a surprise, Kansas has hired former Notre
>> Dame coach Charlie Weiss.
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Thu Dec  8 19:32:24 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 20:32:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Charlie Weis hired at Kansas
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Mangino wasn't the tiniest guy to grace the sidelines.  The word was that Mangino was hard on his players; I guess it was pretty bad because he had a good record at a non-football school.  elk



-----Original Message-----
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To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 8, 2011 2:50 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Charlie Weis hired at Kansas


Better than the jokes that ran through my head about there aparently 
being a minimum size requirement to coach football at Kansas.

-Michael

On 12/8/2011 6:14 PM, Alan Abrahamson wrote:
> Charlie Weis and "glutton" in the same sentence. So clever, Mr. Kirsch.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 8, 2011, at 3:04 PM, "hakirsch at aol.com"<hakirsch at aol.com>  wrote:
>
>> That is a surprise.  He must have gotten a huge severance from ND since he 
had a 15 year deal there before getting canned.  I guess he is a glutton for 
punishment
>>
>> Harry
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Mike Nolan
>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
>> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Subject: [NU Sports] Charlie Weis hired at Kansas
>> Sent: Dec 8, 2011 2:58 PM
>>
>> Well, this one comes as a surprise, Kansas has hired former Notre
>> Dame coach Charlie Weiss.
>> --
>> Mike Nolan
>>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  8 23:36:35 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 21:36:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
Message-ID: <1323408995.10790.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/12/08/jim-delany-bcs-change/index.html?sct=cf_t11_a2


Interesting article on everyone's favorite (except for me) commish ... it allows me to link my embarassment joke-hatred of Delaney for the silly division names with legitimate real-anger at him for being the bedrock to prop up this B(C)S sham. Although if he sticks to his word and pulls the league out if the rest go with the plus-one model, then maybe I will gain some respect for Delany again.

Look, I respect being the lone man fighting against the tide ... heck, I relish doing it every year here as everyone tells me that the B(C)S is not so bad and to just accept the current mess ... that's fine. My problem is that he's doing so with BS reasons about the extra game toll and the Rose Bowl tradition. If he really cared about the bowl tradition, he'd pull out now and sign a deal with the Pac 12 to have the league champs meet in Pasadena every year. But the last decade of Rose Bowls have seen teams like Texas, TCU, Miami, UNL (pre-Big Ten) and Oklahoma playing in it. The number of times it has matched up the true Pac 10 and Big Ten champ has dwindled to three in the last decade. So it's a load of hooey. He's stubbornly supporting this B(C)S sham that regularly screws the Big Ten (someone needs to investigate those computer systems) on a foundation of delusions.

But anyway, it's an interesting look at Delaney's (now) solo crusade ... maybe if instead of "plus one" we came up with some different name for it like the "Montgomery Burns Awards for Excellence in the Category of Excellence Bowl Series for Legendary Leaders and Leaders who follow Legends" he would like it??? :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Dec  9 00:12:28 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:12:28 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
In-Reply-To: <1323408995.10790.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111209061229.015C764F18@romaine.tssi.com>

One thing I still don't understand:

How does a four team playoff get called a 'plus one'?  
--
Mike Nolan


From scottzel at gmail.com  Fri Dec  9 00:34:25 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 22:34:25 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
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Say the Rose Bowl and the Orange Bowl play 1-4 and 2-3. Then the NC game is
the winner of those. Hence the traditional bowls being played and the
winners play in a +1 game for the NC.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 10:12 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> One thing I still don't understand:
>
> How does a four team playoff get called a 'plus one'?
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Dec  9 00:45:38 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 00:45:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
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> Say the Rose Bowl and the Orange Bowl play 1-4 and 2-3. Then the NC game is
> the winner of those. Hence the traditional bowls being played and the
> winners play in a +1 game for the NC.

But that's exactly what Delany is opposed to, presumably with the 
support of the schools in the Big Ten, because he wants to keep the
Big Ten vs Pac 12 matchup in the Rose Bowl.

And that raises other problems.

It means that most years the loser of that game is probably out of the 
running for the 4 team playoff, and some years the winner might not be good
enough to make the cut, either.   So that means that the conferences
that represent 24 schools, including a double handful of the top schools 
in the nation, could be shut out of the playoffs completely.  

And are we to expect that the SEC will pair up in a New Years Bowl with, 
say, the Big Twelve or ACC annually, or even the Big EastWest, or will 
we be back to the days when Bear Bryant arranged less-than-stellar bowl 
opponents for Alabama so that they could be undefeated and win a 
national championship?

In the long run, it's all about money, and when enough gets put on the
table, Delany will start wheeling and dealing to ensure that the Big
Ten gets a healthy share of it.  

BTW, I don't see this returning any of the bowls that Stephen says
have lost their luster to their previous status, and it might have
a dulling effect on the Rose Bowl, too.

It doesn't mean I'm opposed, it just means that I remain skeptical,
and thankful that it isn't MY job to work this stuff out.
--
Mike Nolan


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Fri Dec  9 08:16:07 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:16:07 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
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I know the BCS haters love to hate Delany, but the fact is that he's made
the Big Ten the most prosperous conference in the nation where it counts
the most for the administrators: the bank.  If you analyze the financial
position of the athletic departments within the conference, the Big Ten is
clearly ahead of everyone nationally and he continues thinking ahead and
making decisions that will continue to bring in significant revenues for
the conference's members.  Examples include bringing in Nebraska (a school
that can certainly hold its own weight in terms of bringing in revenue in
the form of fans and viewers), starting the conference championship game
(which was by all accounts a big success), and, in the future, announcing
plans for a 9 game conference schedule (which will bring in plenty more TV
revenue when the next deals come around), and avoiding a playoff at all
costs (let me explain).

>From a financial standpoint, there is a good reason to avoid the "slippery
slope" that could lead to an 8+ team playoff.  A plus-one would be fine
(which I have personally supported for some time) as it would not impact
the regular season.  But when you start to bring in playoff formats that
will consist of 3+ games for a given team, you will eventually have to cut
back the regular season games.  Everyone references the other divisions of
college football, but the fact is that they play fewer regular season games
in order to accommodate the playoffs (e.g. FCS/I-AA, which plays 11 regular
season games).  And in order to also fit in the conference championships,
that likely means even fewer regular season games.  That could mean leagues
with 9 conference games play only one non-conference game in a given
season, and we all know that will be a cupcake game, so say goodbye to
interesting inter-conference play during the regular season (thereby making
debates on strength of schedule comparisons even more difficult).

But, the key point here is that fewer regular season games equals far less
revenue for everyone.  Sure, a select few teams will make the playoffs and
those playoff games will get attention and money that will be divided to
some extent, but will it be enough to make up for the 100+ teams sitting at
home not bringing in any revenue from the stadium or putting more games on
all of those TV channels?  No, otherwise we'd have playoffs right now.
Unless college football moves to a season with a length close to that of
the NFL, this wouldn't work, and I just don't see college administrators
extending the season that long (since they're already getting flak for the
current length and are proposing cutting down on the bowl window so that it
closes just after New Years).

In addition to that, there is the problem of approving an NCAA rule to
allow additional games in the season; currently the provision only allows
one bowl game per team.  In order to get that passed, the big
teams/conferences are going to have to give up power/money to the smaller
schools (even more than the token amount the toss down to them now in the
BCS), and I also don't see that happening.

Instead, what we'll likely see is an elimination of "BCS AQ" status with
the BCS just staging the 1 vs. 2 game and allowing the remaining bowls to
negotiate deals with conferences/teams as they wish, e.g. essentially a
return to the late 90's' Bowl Alliance.  This will certainly work out well
for the big conferences (including the Big Ten, of course), but the smaller
schools will essentially be shut out for good; at least they had a path to
a BCS game in the current system.

Circling back to Delany, he is acting in the financial interests of his
constituents by avoiding adding a playoff and going down the path to a
larger playoff system and smaller regular season.  There seems to be
further support for a plus-one, but I am sure Delany will insist on access
to the Rose Bowl (moreso than in the current system) and specific clauses
preventing an expansion to a larger playoff system.  But, then there's the
hurdle of the NCAA rule, and I'm not sure if that will go through.

So, all we can do is be thankful that we're in the top conference in terms
of revenues and that it is continually insistent on equity amongst all
members.  We'll see where the national landscape goes, but in a time where
even big state schools like Cal and Maryland are resorting to cutting
programs, at least NU is on sound financial footing and I believe that will
eventually lead to on-field results down the line.

Jonathan

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:36 AM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/12/08/jim-delany-bcs-change/index.html?sct=cf_t11_a2
>
>
> Interesting article on everyone's favorite (except for me) commish ... it
> allows me to link my embarassment joke-hatred of Delaney for the silly
> division names with legitimate real-anger at him for being the bedrock to
> prop up this B(C)S sham. Although if he sticks to his word and pulls the
> league out if the rest go with the plus-one model, then maybe I will gain
> some respect for Delany again.
>
> Look, I respect being the lone man fighting against the tide ... heck, I
> relish doing it every year here as everyone tells me that the B(C)S is not
> so bad and to just accept the current mess ... that's fine. My problem is
> that he's doing so with BS reasons about the extra game toll and the Rose
> Bowl tradition. If he really cared about the bowl tradition, he'd pull out
> now and sign a deal with the Pac 12 to have the league champs meet in
> Pasadena every year. But the last decade of Rose Bowls have seen teams like
> Texas, TCU, Miami, UNL (pre-Big Ten) and Oklahoma playing in it. The number
> of times it has matched up the true Pac 10 and Big Ten champ has dwindled
> to three in the last decade. So it's a load of hooey. He's stubbornly
> supporting this B(C)S sham that regularly screws the Big Ten (someone needs
> to investigate those computer systems) on a foundation of delusions.
>
> But anyway, it's an interesting look at Delaney's (now) solo crusade ...
> maybe if instead of "plus one" we came up with some different name for it
> like the "Montgomery Burns Awards for Excellence in the Category of
> Excellence Bowl Series for Legendary Leaders and Leaders who follow
> Legends" he would like it??? :)
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Dec  9 09:19:09 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:19:09 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu5i6tdMA6MDwO-iwCx6PJV8uwr9DyWyhsC5QDEA6+tN3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1323408995.10790.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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In general a great post.  Thanks.

Just a couple of thoughts.

In an expanded playoff format, strength of schedule is somewhat less of
an issue because it will all get decided on the field.  I think the
assumption is that since most of the top conferences DO have a
championship game, those teams are the ones that would populate a 8 team
playoff.

I think the "length of season" comment may also have some flaws.  The
bowl season currently starts on December 17th and finishes on January
9th.  That's four weeks and two days.  That is more than enough time to
accommodate an eight game playoff and still keep the regular season as
it is today.  There are currently three bowl games on the 17th and three
more during the week between the 17th and the 24th.  You only need four
games in the first round and two in the second round.   You could easily
complete the first and second rounds before Christmas and still have all
of the "traditional" bowl games intact. 

That said, it does add two games to the schedule for those two teams who
end up competing for the NC (that's assuming that those teams would have
played at least one post season game without a playoff) and one
additional game for the winners of the first playoff round.  Fortunately
this comes at a time when all of those teams aren't in school and are
practicing anyway.  So for half the teams who are in the playoff, there
is no difference in terms of effort from the current system (assuming
all of them would have gone to a bowl game anyway).  For two teams, who
likely would have been playing on the New Year's weekend anyway, they
play two games, but their season is done before Christmas (assuming the
second round is finished by then), so they get back the time they would
have otherwise practiced after Christmas.  For the championship game
teams, if you assume they would have been in the BCS game in the current
system, then end up practicing the same amount of time, but they also
have to play two more games than they would have otherwise.

I do agree that a playoff is better for the smaller conferences than it
is for conferences like the BT.  That's because it gives smaller
conferences access to a potential NC championship game that they
wouldn't get in the current system.  It's bad for the BT because the BT
makes lots of money in the high profile bowls games that they have
access to today.  At most a BT team would participate in three big
playoff games, and you have to figure that a BT team that could make to
the championship game would also qualify for the current BCS NC game.
So the two additional playoff appearances that would generate money for
the BT likely would not offset the reduction in revenue that the
non-playoff bowl games would suffer if an expanded playoff system was in
place.

Bottom line is that I agree with Jonathan and Delaney.  I don't favor
any move to a playoff because at the end of the day the current system
is better for NU.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:16 AM
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...

I know the BCS haters love to hate Delany, but the fact is that he's
made
the Big Ten the most prosperous conference in the nation where it counts
the most for the administrators: the bank.  If you analyze the financial
position of the athletic departments within the conference, the Big Ten
is
clearly ahead of everyone nationally and he continues thinking ahead and
making decisions that will continue to bring in significant revenues for
the conference's members.  Examples include bringing in Nebraska (a
school
that can certainly hold its own weight in terms of bringing in revenue
in
the form of fans and viewers), starting the conference championship game
(which was by all accounts a big success), and, in the future,
announcing
plans for a 9 game conference schedule (which will bring in plenty more
TV
revenue when the next deals come around), and avoiding a playoff at all
costs (let me explain).

>From a financial standpoint, there is a good reason to avoid the
"slippery
slope" that could lead to an 8+ team playoff.  A plus-one would be fine
(which I have personally supported for some time) as it would not impact
the regular season.  But when you start to bring in playoff formats that
will consist of 3+ games for a given team, you will eventually have to
cut
back the regular season games.  Everyone references the other divisions
of
college football, but the fact is that they play fewer regular season
games
in order to accommodate the playoffs (e.g. FCS/I-AA, which plays 11
regular
season games).  And in order to also fit in the conference
championships,
that likely means even fewer regular season games.  That could mean
leagues
with 9 conference games play only one non-conference game in a given
season, and we all know that will be a cupcake game, so say goodbye to
interesting inter-conference play during the regular season (thereby
making
debates on strength of schedule comparisons even more difficult).

But, the key point here is that fewer regular season games equals far
less
revenue for everyone.  Sure, a select few teams will make the playoffs
and
those playoff games will get attention and money that will be divided to
some extent, but will it be enough to make up for the 100+ teams sitting
at
home not bringing in any revenue from the stadium or putting more games
on
all of those TV channels?  No, otherwise we'd have playoffs right now.
Unless college football moves to a season with a length close to that of
the NFL, this wouldn't work, and I just don't see college administrators
extending the season that long (since they're already getting flak for
the
current length and are proposing cutting down on the bowl window so that
it
closes just after New Years).

In addition to that, there is the problem of approving an NCAA rule to
allow additional games in the season; currently the provision only
allows
one bowl game per team.  In order to get that passed, the big
teams/conferences are going to have to give up power/money to the
smaller
schools (even more than the token amount the toss down to them now in
the
BCS), and I also don't see that happening.

Instead, what we'll likely see is an elimination of "BCS AQ" status with
the BCS just staging the 1 vs. 2 game and allowing the remaining bowls
to
negotiate deals with conferences/teams as they wish, e.g. essentially a
return to the late 90's' Bowl Alliance.  This will certainly work out
well
for the big conferences (including the Big Ten, of course), but the
smaller
schools will essentially be shut out for good; at least they had a path
to
a BCS game in the current system.

Circling back to Delany, he is acting in the financial interests of his
constituents by avoiding adding a playoff and going down the path to a
larger playoff system and smaller regular season.  There seems to be
further support for a plus-one, but I am sure Delany will insist on
access
to the Rose Bowl (moreso than in the current system) and specific
clauses
preventing an expansion to a larger playoff system.  But, then there's
the
hurdle of the NCAA rule, and I'm not sure if that will go through.

So, all we can do is be thankful that we're in the top conference in
terms
of revenues and that it is continually insistent on equity amongst all
members.  We'll see where the national landscape goes, but in a time
where
even big state schools like Cal and Maryland are resorting to cutting
programs, at least NU is on sound financial footing and I believe that
will
eventually lead to on-field results down the line.

Jonathan

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Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 12:36 AM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
>
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/andy_staples/12/08/jim-del
any-bcs-change/index.html?sct=cf_t11_a2
>
>
> Interesting article on everyone's favorite (except for me) commish ...
it
> allows me to link my embarassment joke-hatred of Delaney for the silly
> division names with legitimate real-anger at him for being the bedrock
to
> prop up this B(C)S sham. Although if he sticks to his word and pulls
the
> league out if the rest go with the plus-one model, then maybe I will
gain
> some respect for Delany again.
>
> Look, I respect being the lone man fighting against the tide ... heck,
I
> relish doing it every year here as everyone tells me that the B(C)S is
not
> so bad and to just accept the current mess ... that's fine. My problem
is
> that he's doing so with BS reasons about the extra game toll and the
Rose
> Bowl tradition. If he really cared about the bowl tradition, he'd pull
out
> now and sign a deal with the Pac 12 to have the league champs meet in
> Pasadena every year. But the last decade of Rose Bowls have seen teams
like
> Texas, TCU, Miami, UNL (pre-Big Ten) and Oklahoma playing in it. The
number
> of times it has matched up the true Pac 10 and Big Ten champ has
dwindled
> to three in the last decade. So it's a load of hooey. He's stubbornly
> supporting this B(C)S sham that regularly screws the Big Ten (someone
needs
> to investigate those computer systems) on a foundation of delusions.
>
> But anyway, it's an interesting look at Delaney's (now) solo crusade
...
> maybe if instead of "plus one" we came up with some different name for
it
> like the "Montgomery Burns Awards for Excellence in the Category of
> Excellence Bowl Series for Legendary Leaders and Leaders who follow
> Legends" he would like it??? :)
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
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> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Dec  9 09:32:11 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:32:11 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
References: <1323408995.10790.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <CAAxRJu5i6tdMA6MDwO-iwCx6PJV8uwr9DyWyhsC5QDEA6+tN3w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <875FE78606B146F4BDE122DD75A19CD0@dennismachine>

You really want college football teams to play sixteen games?  And through 
finals? 


From e-west at northwestern.edu  Fri Dec  9 09:44:24 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 15:44:24 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
In-Reply-To: <875FE78606B146F4BDE122DD75A19CD0@dennismachine>
References: <1323408995.10790.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <CAAxRJu5i6tdMA6MDwO-iwCx6PJV8uwr9DyWyhsC5QDEA6+tN3w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1319E67@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>

*Yawn* FCS says hi. And if FBS were truly worried about playing too many games they wouldn't have increased from 11 to 12 games in the regular season or added CCs as a potential 13th game. The only reason there isn't already a playoff is the top conferences don't want to share any more money with the others than they possibly have to. Everything else is smokescreen. (Not that money can't be a valid reason; I just wish TPTB would be honest about it instead of insulting our intelligence.)

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:32 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Jonathan Hodges; SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...

You really want college football teams to play sixteen games?  And through finals? 

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From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Dec  9 09:52:56 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 09:52:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
In-Reply-To: <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1319E67@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <20111209155256.BFFE264840@romaine.tssi.com>

> *Yawn* FCS says hi. And if FBS were truly worried about playing too many games they wouldn't have increased from 11 to 12 games in the regular season or added CCs as a potential 13th game. The only reason there isn't already a playoff is the top conferences don't want to share any more money with the others than they possibly have to. Everything else is smokescreen. (Not that money can't be a valid reason; I just wish TPTB would be honest about it instead of insulting our intelligence.)

Don't forget that there's still the 13th regular game exception for 
games played at Hawaii (possibly elsewhere) early in the season, which 
is why Colorado has a record of 3-10.

I don't know that any school with serious aspirations to play in
their conference championship game would take advantage of that
exception these days, though.
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Dec  9 10:00:07 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:00:07 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
In-Reply-To: <875FE78606B146F4BDE122DD75A19CD0@dennismachine>
References: <1323408995.10790.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <CAAxRJu5i6tdMA6MDwO-iwCx6PJV8uwr9DyWyhsC5QDEA6+tN3w@mail.gmail.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C903A@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <875FE78606B146F4BDE122DD75A19CD0@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C9046@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

As I said, for financial reasons I don't support an expanded playoff
system.

The teams that would be competing in an expanded playoff system already
have fourteen game seasons (12+league championship+bowl game).  Two
teams would play fifteen games.  Two teams would play sixteen games.

The EXISTING bowl game season starts on December 17th.  So clearly some
teams are already dealing with the issues involving their academic
calendar.  In the case of NU, today is the end of Fall finals.  Winter
term starts January 3.

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng at comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 10:32 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Jonathan Hodges; SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...

You really want college football teams to play sixteen games?  And
through 
finals? 


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Fri Dec  9 10:13:52 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:13:52 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
In-Reply-To: <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1319E67@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>
References: <1323408995.10790.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <CAAxRJu5i6tdMA6MDwO-iwCx6PJV8uwr9DyWyhsC5QDEA6+tN3w@mail.gmail.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C903A@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <875FE78606B146F4BDE122DD75A19CD0@dennismachine>
 <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1319E67@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu6U9uF_khXe=y3ZLQF==OFCTQYvCS=AxQB+kDUdtcBfXA@mail.gmail.com>

>From the linked article, when Delany was asked why there isn't a playoff:

"The only strong argument you can make for it is financial," Delany said.
"I don't think the other arguments for it are very strong."

There you go, at least he's straightforward.


--
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Contributor, HailToPurple
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Twitter: @hailtopurple
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On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Eric C West <e-west at northwestern.edu>wrote:

> *Yawn* FCS says hi. And if FBS were truly worried about playing too many
> games they wouldn't have increased from 11 to 12 games in the regular
> season or added CCs as a potential 13th game. The only reason there isn't
> already a playoff is the top conferences don't want to share any more money
> with the others than they possibly have to. Everything else is smokescreen.
> (Not that money can't be a valid reason; I just wish TPTB would be honest
> about it instead of insulting our intelligence.)
>
> Eric West
> e-west at northwestern.edu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:32 AM
> To: Beamsley, Jeff; Jonathan Hodges; SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> Cc: NUSPORTS
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
>
> You really want college football teams to play sixteen games?  And through
> finals?
>
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Fri Dec  9 11:00:04 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 17:00:04 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu6U9uF_khXe=y3ZLQF==OFCTQYvCS=AxQB+kDUdtcBfXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1323408995.10790.YahooMailNeo@web121720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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 <875FE78606B146F4BDE122DD75A19CD0@dennismachine>
 <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1319E67@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>
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Message-ID: <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1319EBF@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>

The problem is that he's claiming that his anti-playoff stance somehow means that he is nobly shunning financial interests, when in fact the opposite is true: he'd rather have a smaller pie to himself than share a much larger pie with others. Again, nothing necessarily wrong with that, but he's being disingenuous with the quote below.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu<mailto:e-west at northwestern.edu>


From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com [mailto:jonathanwhodges at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 10:14 AM
To: Eric C West
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...

>From the linked article, when Delany was asked why there isn't a playoff:

"The only strong argument you can make for it is financial," Delany said. "I don't think the other arguments for it are very strong."

There you go, at least he's straightforward.


--
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Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu<mailto:j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>


On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Eric C West <e-west at northwestern.edu<mailto:e-west at northwestern.edu>> wrote:
*Yawn* FCS says hi. And if FBS were truly worried about playing too many games they wouldn't have increased from 11 to 12 games in the regular season or added CCs as a potential 13th game. The only reason there isn't already a playoff is the top conferences don't want to share any more money with the others than they possibly have to. Everything else is smokescreen. (Not that money can't be a valid reason; I just wish TPTB would be honest about it instead of insulting our intelligence.)

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu<mailto:e-west at northwestern.edu>


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com<mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:32 AM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Jonathan Hodges; SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
You really want college football teams to play sixteen games?  And through finals?
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From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Dec  9 13:53:55 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 13:53:55 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
In-Reply-To: <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1319EBF@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <20111209195355.1F93F64E33@romaine.tssi.com>

> The problem is that he's claiming that his anti-playoff stance somehow means that he is nobly shunning financial interests, when in fact the opposite is true: he'd rather have a smaller pie to himself than share a much larger pie with others. Again, nothing necessarily wrong with that, but he's being disingenuous with the quote below.

I think you're attributing things to his quote beyond what it says.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Dec  9 14:04:21 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 14:04:21 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Ohio State gets waiver from NCAA on coaching limits
Message-ID: <20111209200422.11D4864C18@romaine.tssi.com>

Having both an outgoing and incoming coaching staff, plus an upcoming
bowl game, Ohio State has applied for and received a waiver from the 
NCAA on the maximum number of coaches on staff, though apparently the 
limits on the number of coaches working on bowl game preparation and 
on recruiting are each being followed separately.

See http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7335111/ohio-state-buckeyes-okd-extra-coaches-bowl
--
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Fri Dec  9 14:46:00 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 20:46:00 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...
In-Reply-To: <20111209195355.1F93F64E33@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1319EBF@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>
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Message-ID: <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C1319FAF@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>

I don't think I am -- he's certainly anti-playoff, and he's directly stating that he thinks pro-playoff=pro-finances. If you think he's not implying that he's putting other concerns before money on this particular issue, I must disagree.

If, on the other hand, you take issue with my "pie" assertion: that wasn't meant to be attributed to his quote anyway, merely contrasted with it. Maybe I've misunderstood you (you weren't very specific), but I think my original point stands: Delany and the other PTB can care about money all they want (it's both their prerogative and their job), but I'd prefer if they didn't try to spin it otherwise.

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Nolan [mailto:nolan at tssi.com] 
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 1:54 PM
To: Eric C West
Cc: NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Delaney/Delany ...

> The problem is that he's claiming that his anti-playoff stance somehow means that he is nobly shunning financial interests, when in fact the opposite is true: he'd rather have a smaller pie to himself than share a much larger pie with others. Again, nothing necessarily wrong with that, but he's being disingenuous with the quote below.

I think you're attributing things to his quote beyond what it says.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 11 17:35:15 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:35:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Final Standings and Polls
Message-ID: <1323646515.8973.YahooMailNeo@web121708.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Sometimes, it's not who you pick but what week or two you choose to miss. Call it the "Alabama" path to the title game ... sit out championship weekend and wind up with a shot at the B(C)S title.

Our rules aren't quite as convoluted, but they do say that all you need to be in is more than 2/3 of the weeks and you're eligible ... week 12 was one of our worst weeks for all of us (Baylor beat OU, SC beat Oregon, etc.) ... but our champion chose to sit that week out and it helped Jim Leonard emerge from a close race to win his first Matt Hartl Award for overall picks champion! Congratulations to all our winners, and the updated Hall of Fame is at the bottom of this note! The bowl pool will be coming out soon.

But before we get to that, the honor roll ...


UNANIMOUS PICKS

* WISCONSIN over Illinois
* MSU over Indiana
* LSU over Mississippi
* OKLAHOMA over Baylor (oops)
- None in final two weeks

UPSET SPECIALS

* MICHIGAN over Nebraska
* PENN STATE over Ohio State
* USC over Oregon
- None in week 13
* CLEMSON over VaTech
* SOUTHERN MISS over Houston: A true upset special, only picked by Brad Wilson!

And now, to the big board ...

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -UPSETS-

TW??NAME ? ? ? ? ? ? ?WK 14 ?RECORD ? PCT. ? ?W14 OVRL ?WP
----------------------------------------------------------
?1) J. Leonard? ? ? ? ?7-3? ? 99-31? ?.762? ? ?1? ? 4? ?11

?2) J. Morris? ? ? ? ? 7-3? ?108-37? ?.745? ? ?0? ??4? ?13

?3) C. Herron? ? ? ? ? 8-2? ?119-41? ?.744? ? ?0? ? 2? ?14

?4) J. Bendat? ? ? ? ? 8-2? ?110-40? ?.733? ? ?1? ? 8?? 13
?4) T. McAdams? ? ? ? ?8-2? ?110-40? ?.733? ? ?0? ? 2? ?13

?6) A. Wolfson? ? ? ? ?8-2? ?117-43? ?.731? ? ?0? ? 2? ?14

?7) B. Wilson? ? ? ? ? 9-1? ?114-46? ?.713? ? ?1? ? 5? ?14
?7) I. Embrekts? ? ? ? 7-3? ?107-43? ?.713? ? ?0? ? 4? ?13

?9) J. Hodges? ? ? ? ? 7-3? ?113-47? ?.706? ? ?0? ? 3? ?14

10) C. Zahn????? ? ? ? ---? ?105-45? ?.700? ? ?0????2? ?13

11) S. Truog? ? ? ? ? ?6-4? ?111-49? ?.694? ? ?1? ? 4? ?14
11) B. Waldele??? ? ? ?7-3? ?111-49? ?.694? ? ?0? ? 4? ?14
13) K.?Sevilla? ? ? ? ?7-3?? 109-51? ?.681? ? ?0? ? 6? ?14
14) E. Steffe? ? ? ? ? 5-5? ?102-48? ?.680? ? ?0? ? 3? ?13

15) P. Wolfe? ? ? ? ? ?6-4? ? 91-44? ?.674? ? ?1? ?10???1216) T. Kettler? ? ? ? ?6-4? ?100-50? ?.667? ? ?0? ? 4? ?13

17) M. Ament? ? ? ? ? ?7-3? ? 93-47? ?.664? ? ?1? ? 3? ?12

18) C. Rossi ? ? ? ? ? 7-3 ? ?96-49 ? .662 ? ? 0 ? ?5 ? 13

19) R. Stahl? ? ? ? ? ?6-4? ?104-56? ?.650? ? ?1? ? 5? ?14

20) A. McInturff? ? ? ?5-5? ?100-60? ?.625? ? ?0? ?12? ?14

?
Not eligible (must be in 2/3 of the weeks)
------------------------------------------
xx) M. Zilka? ? ? ? ? ?---? ? 56-24? ?.700? ? ?0? ? 1? ? 7xx) S. Wolfson?????????---????49-21???.700?????0????4????5
xx) L. Martinaitis?????---????13- 2???.xxx?????0????1????1

xx) A. Farwig??????????---????10- 5???.xxx?????0????0????1

One last look at the SjTop 25 before the bowls, with a comparison to the preseason ...?

SjTOP 25 COLLEGE RANKINGS

PSTWTEAM
0301LSU (13-0) - Unfair to make them play Bama after they beat them at Tuscaloosa already!
2002OKLAHOMA STATE (11-1) - Deserved the title game shot even though Lil' XII is overrated
0103ALABAMA (11-1) - Rematch? Yawn. But give Saban a month to prep and upset is possible
0504WISCONSIN (11-2) - Two Hail Marys from a title shot ... should be a heck of a Rose Bowl
0205OREGON (11-2) - Ducks better get tough in a hurry before Big Bad Badgers come calling
NR06MICHIGAN (10-2) - Brady Hoke should be coach of the year - huge turnaround in Ann Arbor
1407STANFORD (11-1) - Record is inflated by weak schedule - got clocked at home by Ducks
0708BOISE STATE (11-1) - One kick away from getting overdue respect and a title shot
2409USC (10-2) - Spoiled Oregon's title shot ... how did they lose to ASU again?
1310MICHIGAN STATE (10-3) - Tough way to lose a shot a Roses ... will they show up for bowl?
1711ARKANSAS (10-2) - Had two big games on schedule and just weren't up for challenge
1612SOUTH CAROLINA (10-2) - Had they been healthy, could have been in B(C)S mix
NR13KANSAS STATE (10-2) - Like Stanford, record is inflated by weak schedule ... but fun to watch
NR14GEORGIA (10-3) - Great for a half ... should be a hard hitting bowl game with Sparty
1115TCU (10-2) - Finished year strong ... robbed of a B(C)S slot by the Cartel
NR16CLEMSON (10-3) - Did they get early season magic back, or do they just own Hokies?1917VIRGINIA TECH (11-2) - How the heck did they get into a B(C)S bowl again? JOKE!
0618NEBRASKA (9-3) - Found life in Big Ten was tough, but can cap a nice year in Orlando

NR19BAYLOR (9-3) - Not sure if it was Heisman-worthy, but a heck of a season for Bears
0420OKLAHOMA (9-3) - At least we won't have to see overrated OU crushed in the B(C)S again
1521PENN STATE (9-3) - Shame on bowls for passing the team over ... heck of a year all things considered
NR22SOUTHERN MISS (11-2) - Played a heck of a game at Houston ... how'd they lose to UAB again?
NR23WEST VIRGINIA (9-3) - I guess I finally have to rank a Big Least team
NR24HOUSTON (12-1) - Exposed by a team that actually plays defense
NR25NORTHERN ILLINOIS (10-3) - Nice run to the long-overdue MAC title

And finally, the updated Hall of Fame ...

##################################
## PIGSKIN PICKS - HALL OF FAME ##
##################################

MATT HARTL "OVERALL EXCELLENCE" AWARD
Overall Pigskin Picks Champion
########################################
> 1997 - Eric J. Steffe
> 1998 - Carl Pilger
> 1999 - Eric J. Steffe
> 2000 - Bill Praast
> 2001 - Harlan Heiber
> 2002 - Chuck Herron
> 2003 - Chuck Herron
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson
> 2006 - Marilyn Zilka
> 2007 - Marilyn Zilka
> 2008 ? Marilyn Zilka
> 2009 ? Bruce Taylor
> 2010 ? Chuck Herron and Eric J. Steffe
> 2011 - Jim Leonard


ROB JOHNSON "IRONMAN" AWARD
Best record of those who have competed every week
####################################################
> 1997 - Eric J. Steffe (135-40)
> 1998 - Trey McAdams (120-40)
> 1999 - Bruce Taylor (111-39)
> 2000 - Steve Kandelman and Bruce Taylor (109-44)
> 2001 - Trey McAdams (107-43)
> 2002 - Chuck Herron (132-48)
> 2003 - Chuck Herron (130-40)
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka (129-36)
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson (112-38)
> 2006 - Chuck Herron (113-37)
> 2007 - Stephen Truog (110-45)
> 2008 ? Stephen Truog (123-42)
> 2009 ? Bruce Taylor (119-36)
> 2010 ? Chuck Herron and Eric J. Steffe (119-36)
> 2011 - Chuck Herron (119-41)


STEVE SCHNUR "ACCURACY" AWARD
Highest percentage - min. 5 weeks
######################################
> 1997 - Eric J. Steffe (.771)
> 1998 - Carl Pilger (.792)
> 1999 - Eric J. Steffe (.756)
> 2000 - Bill Praast (.714)
> 2001 - Harlan Heiber (.744)
> 2002 - Greg Kane (.738)
> 2003 - Chuck Herron (.765)
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka (.782)
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson (.747)
> 2006 - Marilyn Zilka (.764)
> 2007 - Marilyn Zilka (.719)
> 2008 ? Marilyn Zilka (.800)
> 2009 ? Bruce Taylor (.768)
> 2010 ? Chuck Herron and Eric J. Steffe (.768)
> 2011 - Jim Leonard (.762)


PAT FITZGERALD "MOST HITS" AWARD
Most correct picks overall
####################################
> 1997 - NA
> 1998 - Trey McAdams (120)
> 1999 - Bruce Taylor (111)
> 2000 - Steve Kandelman and Bruce Taylor (109)
> 2001 - Trey McAdams (107)
> 2002 - Chuck Herron (132)
> 2003 - Chuck Herron (130)
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka (129)
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson (112)
> 2006 - Chuck Herron (113)
> 2007 - Stephen Truog (110)
> 2008 ? Stephen Truog (123)
> 2009 ? Bruce Taylor (119)
> 2010 ? Chuck Herron and Eric J. Steffe (119)
> 2011 - Chuck Herron (119)

BRIAN MUSSO "GUTSY" AWARD
Most upset special picks
############################
> 1997 - NA
> 1998 - Kelly Sevilla (10)
> 1999 - Jim Bendat (12)
> 2000 - Jim Bendat and Kelly Sevilla (13)
> 2001 - Jim Bendat (15)
> 2002 - Jim Bendat (18)
> 2003 - Bill O'Connor (14)
> 2004 - Carl Rossi (10)
> 2005 - Ace McInturff (14)
> 2006 - Ace McInturff (10)
> 2007 - Sam Wolfson (16)
> 2008 ? John Hodges and Ace McInturff (8)
> 2009 ? Ace McInturff (11)
> 2010 ? Jim Bendat (11)
> 2011 - Ace McInturff (12)


D'WAYNE BATES "BOWL MVP" AWARD
Best performance in the postseason (bowl pool)
##############################################
> 1997 - Mark Loach (20-1)
> 1998 - Jeff Larson (18-4)
> 1999 - Roger Bradshaw (15-8)
> 2000 - Carl Rossi (18-6)
> 2001 - Kenn Ruby (19-6)
> 2002 - Ty Levine (18-10)
> 2003 - Ryan Farney (19-8)
> 2004 - Ace McInturff and Ivars Embrekts (19-8)
> 2005 - Bob Waldele (19-8)
> 2006 - Mark Ament and Neil Kaplan (15-5)
> 2007 - Trey McAdams, Bob Waldele and Marilyn Zilka (15-5)
> 2008 - Ray Stahl (13-7)
> 2009 ? Bob Waldele and Alan Wolfson (16-4)
> 2010 - Carl Rossi (16-4)

> 2011 - TBD ... bowl pool coming next
?Thanks for another great season - bowl picks coming up next!
GO CATS!!!

-Stephen

?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!

From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Dec 13 11:00:42 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 12:00:42 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The Perfect Coach
Message-ID: <8CE87CFE22F4BF7-3C0-78AD2@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com>

Check this out, especially the Fitz reference:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7345965/the-perfect-coach-college-football

From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Dec 13 11:57:13 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:57:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The Perfect Coach
In-Reply-To: <8CE87CFE22F4BF7-3C0-78AD2@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111213175713.AEF86651D8@romaine.tssi.com>

> Check this out, especially the Fitz reference:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7345965/the-perfect-coach-college-football

Anybody want to take bets on how many of those listed as having
some of the attributes of a 'perfect coach' get fired in 2012?

BTW, it looks like 24 of 120 FBS head coaches were fired, retired or
took another job so far this year.  9 of those schools have yet to
announce their new coach, so there could still be a few more schools
lose their head coach to another school.
--
Mike Nolan


From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 13 12:21:49 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 10:21:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The Perfect Coach
In-Reply-To: <8CE87CFE22F4BF7-3C0-78AD2@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE87CFE22F4BF7-3C0-78AD2@webmail-m048.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1323800509.6643.YahooMailRC@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Maybe I missed it, but despite most of the "big names", I didn't see Brian 
Kelly's mentioned.





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To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Tue, December 13, 2011 11:00:42 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] The Perfect Coach

Check this out, especially the Fitz reference:? 
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7345965/the-perfect-coach-college-football

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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Dec 13 17:11:36 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:11:36 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] SI All-American Team
Message-ID: <8CE8803B2845EBF-DB4-9CE91@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com>

Texas A & M will apparently have a big edge over NU in the kicking 
game.  Their PK was named an SI First Team All-American:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/12/13/postseason-all-america-team/index.html?xid=cnnbin


From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Dec 13 18:27:58 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:27:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] SI All-American Team
In-Reply-To: <8CE8803B2845EBF-DB4-9CE91@Webmail-m115.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111214002759.37A1A64CE4@romaine.tssi.com>

> Texas A & M will apparently have a big edge over NU in the kicking 
> game.  Their PK was named an SI First Team All-American:
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/12/13/postseason-all-america-team/index.html?xid=cnnbin

I will be surprised and somewhat disappointed if the A&M kicking 
game is the final factor in the outcome.
--
Mike Nolan


From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Dec 13 19:15:52 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 01:15:52 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] SI All-American Team
Message-ID: <381631955-1323825225-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1733045917-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Well, Mike, having been at the Outback, our "wide right" from 47 yards at the end of regulation was critical, followed by the injury in OT, leading to Fumblerooski.  So at least our kicking game substantially impacted that game.

Paul
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SI All-American Team
Sent: Dec 13, 2011 7:27 PM

> Texas A & M will apparently have a big edge over NU in the kicking 
> game.  Their PK was named an SI First Team All-American:
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/12/13/postseason-all-america-team/index.html?xid=cnnbin

I will be surprised and somewhat disappointed if the A&M kicking 
game is the final factor in the outcome.
--
Mike Nolan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Dec 13 19:14:12 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:14:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Golfer of the year
Message-ID: <1529b.109d7fd0.3c195264@aol.com>

Luke has hit the big one, as well as money leader on both sides of the  
pond. I think it is the biggest feat for a Cat athlete ever with the possible  
exception of the Otto Graham championships a few years back. Way to go  
Luke!!!!

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Dec 14 06:10:29 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 07:10:29 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU DT Mafuli out of Bowl with broken leg
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22952@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Northwestern DT Mafuli out of Bowl with broken leg

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/9425706-419/dt-niko-mafuli-out-of-nus-bowl-game-with-broken-leg.html

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Dec 14 10:35:29 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:35:29 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU DT Mafuli out of Bowl with broken leg
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22952@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22952@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <007001ccba7e$65607e50$30217af0$@com>

That's not good.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
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from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 7:10 AM
To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: NU DT Mafuli out of Bowl with broken leg

Northwestern DT Mafuli out of Bowl with broken leg

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/9425706-419/dt-niko-mafuli-out-of-nus-bowl-game-wi
th-broken-leg.html
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Dec 14 11:05:07 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 11:05:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Golfer of the year
In-Reply-To: <1529b.109d7fd0.3c195264@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111214170507.96C786062B@romaine.tssi.com>

> Luke has hit the big one, as well as money leader on both sides of the  
> pond. I think it is the biggest feat for a Cat athlete ever with the possible  
> exception of the Otto Graham championships a few years back. Way to go  
> Luke!!!!

The only recent accomplishment by a NU athlete that even closely rivals 
this that I can think of is Joe Girardi's success as a player and manager.
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Dec 14 11:17:48 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:17:48 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Golfer of the year
In-Reply-To: <20111214170507.96C786062B@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1529b.109d7fd0.3c195264@aol.com>
 <20111214170507.96C786062B@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <009c01ccba84$4e51e0e0$eaf5a2a0$@com>

What impressed me about Luke's accomplishment was that he did it without winning any of
the really "big" tournaments, but with steady play throughout the entire season.

I do wish he'd win the British Open. He has a Claret in his wine offering that would fit
in that jug just fine.

Oh, you didn't know about his wine list? Google Luke Donald Wine and see...

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Nolan
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:05 PM
To: MHRJGScott at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Golfer of the year

> Luke has hit the big one, as well as money leader on both sides of the  
> pond. I think it is the biggest feat for a Cat athlete ever with the possible  
> exception of the Otto Graham championships a few years back. Way to go  
> Luke!!!!

The only recent accomplishment by a NU athlete that even closely rivals 
this that I can think of is Joe Girardi's success as a player and manager.
--
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Dec 14 13:09:33 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:09:33 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching Caravan news
Message-ID: <20111214190933.C651264575@romaine.tssi.com>

Well, this one is interesting.

First-year coach Todd Graham is leaving Pitt to take the Arizona State
job.  

Not sure what it means, but Graham chose to send a text message to
his (now former) players rather than meet with them to tell them the news.

Three assistants at Pitt have already left to go work for RichRod 
at Arizona, which means there could be a serious shortage of coaches 
for Pitt to work the bowl game against SMU on Jan 7th.  

Pitt AD Steve Pederson, who fired Frank Solich when he was the AD at 
Nebraska, only to hire the worst coach Nebraska has had since the 
1950's, is now in the position having to hire his THIRD football
coach in the last year or so for Pitt.  
--
Mike Nolan


From litnhop at mac.com  Wed Dec 14 13:22:39 2011
From: litnhop at mac.com (Jason Morris)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:22:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)
Message-ID: <FCB72A1A-7875-4B7D-BC74-213AC8E8FB17@mac.com>

Texas Bowl 
Dec. 31
Northwestern vs. Texas A&M

Who has momentum? The Wildcats have won four of their past five. The Aggies have lost four of their past five.

Who has motivation? The Aggies are adrift with an interim coach, while the Wildcats are trying to finish strong behind senior quarterback Dan Persa.

Who wins a mascot fight? Texas A&M?s live dog, Reveille, owns the costumed Willie the Wildcat.

Dash fact: Texas A&M is tied for the national lead in sacks and has allowed the fewest sacks.

Dash pick: Northwestern 31, Texas A&M 30. The Wildcats have covered the spread in three consecutive bowls ? but haven?t won one outright since 1949. Time to change that.

Forde's complete (and fairly humorous) bowl run down available at: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AuHps3Z7Fous_g1x_H0iosUcvrYF?slug=pf-forde_yard_dash_bowls_121411


Jason Morris
Riverdale, MD 20737
Northwestern University, BS Speech 1997
litnhop at mac.com



From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Dec 14 13:25:04 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 14:25:04 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)
In-Reply-To: <FCB72A1A-7875-4B7D-BC74-213AC8E8FB17@mac.com>
References: <FCB72A1A-7875-4B7D-BC74-213AC8E8FB17@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC3765A9DDF@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

As someone named Willie and a purple-bleeding Wildcat loyalist, I take issue only with the mascot aspect. :)

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jason Morris
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:23 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)

Texas Bowl
Dec. 31
Northwestern vs. Texas A&M

Who has momentum? The Wildcats have won four of their past five. The Aggies have lost four of their past five.

Who has motivation? The Aggies are adrift with an interim coach, while the Wildcats are trying to finish strong behind senior quarterback Dan Persa.

Who wins a mascot fight? Texas A&M's live dog, Reveille, owns the costumed Willie the Wildcat.

Dash fact: Texas A&M is tied for the national lead in sacks and has allowed the fewest sacks.

Dash pick: Northwestern 31, Texas A&M 30. The Wildcats have covered the spread in three consecutive bowls - but haven't won one outright since 1949. Time to change that.

Forde's complete (and fairly humorous) bowl run down available at: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AuHps3Z7Fous_g1x_H0iosUcvrYF?slug=pf-forde_yard_dash_bowls_121411


Jason Morris
Riverdale, MD 20737
Northwestern University, BS Speech 1997
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Dec 14 15:49:41 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:49:41 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)
In-Reply-To: <FCB72A1A-7875-4B7D-BC74-213AC8E8FB17@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20111214214942.B4AD961553@romaine.tssi.com>

One of Pat's better efforts.

BTW, there is one interesting nugget of news in the piece for Cats fans, where 
Pat said that Texas A&M Defensive Coordinator Tim DeRuyter, may be getting 
the Fresno State head job soon.
--
Mike Nolan


From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 14 15:52:56 2011
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:52:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)
In-Reply-To: <20111214214942.B4AD961553@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <FCB72A1A-7875-4B7D-BC74-213AC8E8FB17@mac.com>
 <20111214214942.B4AD961553@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1323899576.95231.YahooMailNeo@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Today, in fact:
http://www.fresnobee.com/2011/12/14/2649322/deruyter-ready-to-get-to-work.html


________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: Jason Morris <litnhop at mac.com> 
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)

One of Pat's better efforts.

BTW, there is one interesting nugget of news in the piece for Cats fans, where 
Pat said that Texas A&M Defensive Coordinator Tim DeRuyter, may be getting 
the Fresno State head job soon.
--
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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Dec 14 15:57:13 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:57:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)
In-Reply-To: <1323899576.95231.YahooMailNeo@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111214215714.1C03564DB5@romaine.tssi.com>

> Today, in fact:
> http://www.fresnobee.com/2011/12/14/2649322/deruyter-ready-to-get-to-work.html

Yup.  The Fresno Bee story says he will start doing some recruiting for Fresno
State right away, but will not be full-time until after A&M's bowl game.

The biblical line about serving two masters comes to mind here.  
--
Mike Nolan


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Dec 14 16:18:44 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 17:18:44 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)
In-Reply-To: <20111214215714.1C03564DB5@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111214215714.1C03564DB5@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <34ceb407-d4a7-4797-bc23-bf455fcc6fc6@blur>

A big defensive win over NU will look good recruiting next spring

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

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To: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 21:57:13 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)

> Today, in fact:
>  
http://www.fresnobee.com/2011/12/14/2649322/deruyter-ready-to-get-to-work.htm 
l

Yup.  The Fresno Bee story says he will start doing some recruiting for  
Fresno
State right away, but will not be full-time until after A&M's bowl game.

The biblical line about serving two masters comes to mind here.  
--
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Wed Dec 14 17:29:48 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 15:29:48 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)
In-Reply-To: <34ceb407-d4a7-4797-bc23-bf455fcc6fc6@blur>
References: <20111214215714.1C03564DB5@romaine.tssi.com>
 <34ceb407-d4a7-4797-bc23-bf455fcc6fc6@blur>
Message-ID: <-7196677937771971619@unknownmsgid>

Then again, there's the theory that the team that actually wants to be
in the bowl game is the team most likely to win the game.

You'd have to say that in this instance the motivation factor clearly
favors Northwestern. No bowl win since 1949, as we know, all too
painfully ...

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2011, at 2:19 PM, "rstetson at capps-assoc.com"
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> A big defensive win over NU will look good recruiting next spring
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
> To: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com
> Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 21:57:13 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)
>
>> Today, in fact:
> http://www.fresnobee.com/2011/12/14/2649322/deruyter-ready-to-get-to-work.html
>
> Yup.  The Fresno Bee story says he will start doing some recruiting for Fresno
> State right away, but will not be full-time until after A&M's bowl game.
>
> The biblical line about serving two masters comes to mind here. --
> Mike Nolan
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 14 19:38:31 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (Stephen Truog)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:38:31 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Coaching Caravan news
In-Reply-To: <20111214190933.C651264575@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111214190933.C651264575@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1DECD4C1-7963-447E-94F7-CA1F5D8AAC28@yahoo.com>

Wow ... the Big Least is full of classy coaches who know how to make an exit ... or at least a jerk-move exit!

Weird hire ... I understand leaving Pitt for asu, but it's certainly not the big name hire asu wanted ... especially when your rival gets RichRod and even Wazzu gets Leach ... you're gonna need to put up 50 or so to compete in the new PAC 12 and June jones was their man there before that debacle. Hard to figure why a huge school in a big city and growing recruiting hotbed can't get a big name???

Go Cats!!!
-SjT

STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:09 PM, nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:

> Well, this one is interesting.
> 
> First-year coach Todd Graham is leaving Pitt to take the Arizona State
> job.  
> 
> Not sure what it means, but Graham chose to send a text message to
> his (now former) players rather than meet with them to tell them the news.
> 
> Three assistants at Pitt have already left to go work for RichRod 
> at Arizona, which means there could be a serious shortage of coaches 
> for Pitt to work the bowl game against SMU on Jan 7th.  
> 
> Pitt AD Steve Pederson, who fired Frank Solich when he was the AD at 
> Nebraska, only to hire the worst coach Nebraska has had since the 
> 1950's, is now in the position having to hire his THIRD football
> coach in the last year or so for Pitt.  
> --
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Dec 15 07:01:11 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:01:11 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)
In-Reply-To: <-7196677937771971619@unknownmsgid>
References: <20111214215714.1C03564DB5@romaine.tssi.com>
 <34ceb407-d4a7-4797-bc23-bf455fcc6fc6@blur>
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Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C927F@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

So at least in NU's case this theory hasn't held because I'm sure NU was
more excited than its opponent to be in virtually every bowl game it was
invited to since 1995.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Alan Abrahamson
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 6:30 PM
To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)

Then again, there's the theory that the team that actually wants to be
in the bowl game is the team most likely to win the game.

You'd have to say that in this instance the motivation factor clearly
favors Northwestern. No bowl win since 1949, as we know, all too
painfully ...

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 14, 2011, at 2:19 PM, "rstetson at capps-assoc.com"
<rstetson at capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> A big defensive win over NU will look good recruiting next spring
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
>
> -----Original message-----
> From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
> To: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com
> Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Wed, Dec 14, 2011 21:57:13 GMT+00:00
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's Take on NU (31) vs A&M (30)
>
>> Today, in fact:
>
http://www.fresnobee.com/2011/12/14/2649322/deruyter-ready-to-get-to-wor
k.html
>
> Yup.  The Fresno Bee story says he will start doing some recruiting
for Fresno
> State right away, but will not be full-time until after A&M's bowl
game.
>
> The biblical line about serving two masters comes to mind here. --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Dec 16 16:24:05 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 17:24:05 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Last night on the hardwood...
Message-ID: <000001ccbc41$6c8dcbf0$45a963d0$@com>

Good to see JerShon Cobb with 10 points in 23 minutes last night.

But when will Shurna or Crawford knotch a double-double?

Sobo's 15 with 3 steals is a positive too.

Now for the tough weekend.

rsl

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From nolan at tssi.com  Sun Dec 18 00:05:03 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 00:05:03 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl season off to an interesting start
Message-ID: <20111218060504.06C3965370@romaine.tssi.com>

The first bowl game today wasn't that interesting unless you're
a Temple fan, but the second and third games both involved last 
minute lead changes, with Ohio getting its first bowl game win 
after several losses, scoring in the last minute after one of the 
longest and most confusing official reviews I've seen (though 
in the end I think they got the right call), and UL-Lafayette winning 
its first ever bowl game with a 50 yard field goal as time expired, 
after San Diego State had taken the lead with 35 seconds left.  
(A defensive penalty cut five yards off the attempt, and it looked
to me like the kicker would have been short otherwise.)

Oh well, on to the NFL tomorrow, to see if the Bears have yet another
excruciatingly painful way to lose a game.
--
Mike Nolan


From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Dec 18 06:43:22 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 07:43:22 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU swimmer noted in NY Times piece
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC37665BA23@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/sports/southern-cal-swim-coach-masters-the-breaststroke.html?_r=1&ref=sports&pagewanted=all


From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Mon Dec 19 06:12:01 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:12:01 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Under Armour
Message-ID: <ADDDB6EE-CD7F-4B9C-8B4B-8102F1F617E0@gmail.com>

Don't remember seeing this come across, but NU recently signed a new deal with Under Armour, making it the exclusive outfitter for all NU sports beginning with 2012 school year.

http://www.nusports.com/genrel/121711aaa.html

Get out your wallets for new apparel and pray that we don't get a NU inspired version of Maryland's uniforms.
Mark

 Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz at gmail.com



From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Dec 19 06:58:24 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 07:58:24 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Under Armour
In-Reply-To: <ADDDB6EE-CD7F-4B9C-8B4B-8102F1F617E0@gmail.com>
References: <ADDDB6EE-CD7F-4B9C-8B4B-8102F1F617E0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cd0baaf6-e410-4966-b877-8c8debd65055@blur>

I think they were under armour's catalogue for 2011. You'd wish they'd find  
an outfit owned by an alum, but they are from Baltimore and we can use the  
$$$ here on the east coast, even if its all made in the far east...

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: Mark Ament <sportsbiz at gmail.com>
To: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 19, 2011 12:12:01 GMT+00:00
Subject: [NU Sports] Under Armour

Don't remember seeing this come across, but NU recently signed a new deal  
with Under Armour, making it the exclusive outfitter for all NU sports  
beginning with 2012 school year.

http://www.nusports.com/genrel/121711aaa.html

Get out your wallets for new apparel and pray that we don't get a NU  
inspired version of Maryland's uniforms.
Mark

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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Mon Dec 19 09:23:27 2011
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:23:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Under Armour
Message-ID: <90a6.a17f693.3c20b0ef@aol.com>

Did I read somewhere that the founder of  Under Armor is an NU  grad?
Don Williams
C55
 
 
In a message dated 12/19/2011 6:12:15 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
sportsbiz at gmail.com writes:

Don't  remember seeing this come across, but NU recently signed a new deal 
with Under  Armour, making it the exclusive outfitter for all NU sports 
beginning with  2012 school  year.

http://www.nusports.com/genrel/121711aaa.html

Get out your  wallets for new apparel and pray that we don't get a NU 
inspired version of  Maryland's uniforms.
Mark

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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Mon Dec 19 12:02:58 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 13:02:58 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C8F2D@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <1333499115-1323266055-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-486569327-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C8F2D@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu6e43TjL0CFJ5Suv0knASJgJBupYunqWS6bGePftV7A+g@mail.gmail.com>

On the topic of student-athletes with an undergrad degree transferring
without having to sit out, here is a first-hand account of a St. Joe's
basketball player who tried to go to UAB but was not released by his
original school.  Worth a read for anyone who has interest on the subject.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/12/19/todd.obrien/index.html?xid=cnnbin

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On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

> I guess we'll know it is being abused when we start to see "fake"
> graduate programs showing up that are unique to particular institutions
> and populated mainly by transfer football players.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of hakirsch at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 8:54 AM
> To: neonrye at aol.com; Willie Weinbaum; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com;
> 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
>
> I have no problem with the rent a guy M.O.
>
> While different circumstances,Cal had Aaron Rodgers for 1 year as a
> transfer and it helped put Cal on a streak of several good years even
> after Rodgers left.
>
> We should be trolling for a few of these guys as an alternative. I
> wouldn't recommend it as our main recruitment tool,but if it could help
> us, I'd go for it.  Those of us old enough to remember,might recall that
> Mike White turned around U of I by going after JC's. Again It was a
> different strategy, but one that a coach saw an opportunity to exploit a
> rule. White abused the rule. I doubt Fitz would
>
>  The rule allows the immediate eligibility if your current school
> doesn't have a certain graduate program that the new school does (which
> of course you enroll)  Short of Dental school, NU has just about every
> other major grad program.
>
> Harry
> ------Original Message------
> From: neonrye at aol.com
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: Willie Weinbaum
> To: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
> ReplyTo: neonrye at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
> Sent: Dec 7, 2011 5:00 AM
>
> So Bielema is now into rent-a-QB mode?  Can't develop his own?
> ------Original Message------
> From: Weinbaum, Willie
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: 'nwu-sports at tssi.com'
> Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
> Sent: Dec 7, 2011 6:50 AM
>
> Former Notre Dame QB Dayne Crist interested in transferring to Wisconsin
> under same rule that allowed Russell Wilson to avoid sitting out a
> season
>
> http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/quarterback-considers-transferrin
> g-to-uw-3v3b7em-135137728.html<http://www.jsonline.com/sports/badgers/quarterback-considers-transferrin%0Ag-to-uw-3v3b7em-135137728.html>
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From nolan at tssi.com  Mon Dec 19 12:45:52 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:45:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu6e43TjL0CFJ5Suv0knASJgJBupYunqWS6bGePftV7A+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111219184552.7E19664C0D@romaine.tssi.com>

> On the topic of student-athletes with an undergrad degree transferring
> without having to sit out, here is a first-hand account of a St. Joe's
> basketball player who tried to go to UAB but was not released by his
> original school.  Worth a read for anyone who has interest on the subject.
> 
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/12/19/todd.obrien/index.html?xid=cnnbin

An interesting story, but kind of a one-sided telling of it, I suspect.  
First the kid goes from Bucknell to St. Joe's and then he
decides he wants to go to UAB.  Academics doesn't seem to be the reason why
for either transfer.
--
Mike Nolan


From ddave at nusports.com  Mon Dec 19 12:56:08 2011
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 10:56:08 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
Message-ID: <20111219105608.452DE382@resin11.mta.everyone.net>

This was in the papers here (in PA) some time ago. In this case, as I recall, the student-athlete has already graduated from St. Joe's, wants to transfer to UAB, attend grad school and play another year. Coach will not release him from scholarship....

sounds like  a coach-athlete personal spat....more than anything.


dave bradley
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--- nolan at tssi.com wrote:

From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
To: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com, nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:45:52 -0600 (CST)

> On the topic of student-athletes with an undergrad degree transferring
> without having to sit out, here is a first-hand account of a St. Joe's
> basketball player who tried to go to UAB but was not released by his
> original school.  Worth a read for anyone who has interest on the subject.
> 
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/12/19/todd.obrien/index.html?xid=cnnbin

An interesting story, but kind of a one-sided telling of it, I suspect.  
First the kid goes from Bucknell to St. Joe's and then he
decides he wants to go to UAB.  Academics doesn't seem to be the reason why
for either transfer.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Dec 19 13:38:56 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:38:56 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
In-Reply-To: <20111219105608.452DE382@resin11.mta.everyone.net>
References: <20111219105608.452DE382@resin11.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C93FC@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Don't know the details.

Taken on face value, Martelli sounds like a jerk.

Regardless of who is at fault, the publicity surrounding this can't be
good for St. Joe recruiting.  Probably why (according to the article)
Martelli was the first coach to deny this sort of transfer.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of dave bradley
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 1:56 PM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com; nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?

This was in the papers here (in PA) some time ago. In this case, as I
recall, the student-athlete has already graduated from St. Joe's, wants
to transfer to UAB, attend grad school and play another year. Coach will
not release him from scholarship....

sounds like  a coach-athlete personal spat....more than anything.


dave bradley
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(717) 572-2038-cell
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--- nolan at tssi.com wrote:

From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
To: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com, nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] ND QB to Wisc?
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:45:52 -0600 (CST)

> On the topic of student-athletes with an undergrad degree transferring
> without having to sit out, here is a first-hand account of a St. Joe's
> basketball player who tried to go to UAB but was not released by his
> original school.  Worth a read for anyone who has interest on the
subject.
> 
>
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/12/19/todd.obrien/
index.html?xid=cnnbin

An interesting story, but kind of a one-sided telling of it, I suspect.

First the kid goes from Bucknell to St. Joe's and then he
decides he wants to go to UAB.  Academics doesn't seem to be the reason
why
for either transfer.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Dec 19 16:20:31 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 17:20:31 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] From the National Football Foundation....
Message-ID: <000c01ccbe9c$6c27b920$44772b60$@com>

The NFF Chicago Metro Chapter awards ceremony will take place Monday, February 20 from
3:30-6pm at Halas Hall. About 45 spots remain for $150/person at
NFFChicagoAwards.eventbrite.com. NFF Board Member and Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany will
receive the chapter's Outstanding Contribution to Amateur Football Award. The NFF Mental
Toughness Awards will be presented to NFF National Scholar-Athlete and Northern Illinois
quarterback Chandler Harnish and Northwestern quarterback Dan Persa, a Campbell Trophy
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From kmaresco at covlife.org  Mon Dec 19 16:41:46 2011
From: kmaresco at covlife.org (Kenneth Maresco)
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 14:41:46 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] The Founder of Under Armor Kevin Plank
Message-ID: <CB1527D9.3707B%kmaresco@covlife.org>

Is a Maryland Graduate.



From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Dec 20 11:41:52 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:41:52 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today
Message-ID: <20111220174152.5D9CF6535F@romaine.tssi.com>

The NCAA has announced that the sanctions against Ohio State will be made public
at 2PM CT today.
--
Mike Nolan


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Dec 20 11:50:10 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:50:10 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today
In-Reply-To: <20111220174152.5D9CF6535F@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111220174152.5D9CF6535F@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C9490@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

This should be interesting.

Wonder how much prior knowledge of upcoming NCAA action was involved in
UM agreeing to take the job.

I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Jeff
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:42 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today

The NCAA has announced that the sanctions against Ohio State will be
made public
at 2PM CT today.
--
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Dec 20 11:59:47 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:59:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Craig James leaving ESPN to run for Senate in Texas
Message-ID: <20111220175948.2ADA764FF4@romaine.tssi.com>

ESPN analyst Craig James has announced that he will run for the Senate, and
ESPN immediately announced that he no longer works for them.

Good riddance, IMHO.  Not that I expect him to win in what may be a crowded 
race (he won't get a lot of votes from Texas Tech alumni, I suspect), but he 
certainly understands the use of the 'bully pulpit' already, and not the way 
that Teddy Roosevelt originally intended the phrase to be used.
--
Mike Nolan


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Dec 20 12:15:06 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:15:06 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C9490@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <20111220174152.5D9CF6535F@romaine.tssi.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C9490@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu7=Y8DoZbBiqy6UX3Oq_8L=jm-ZhnABccT=+sJ57q6CUg@mail.gmail.com>

Rumors are the report will be given to the press an hour before the press
conference but they will be asked not to divulge the contents.  Expect to
get the complete rundown at 1:01PM CT via twitter.

All along, most expect the NCAA's sanctions to be in line with those
self-imposed by OSU and I tend to agree; they may get docked with an
additional scholarship or something of that order but I wouldn't expect a
bowl ban or anything worse.  (And, it's not like a bowl ban in itself is
that bad: just look at USC who would have won the Pac-12 south this year if
not for that ban and will likely be the division front-runner for next
season even if Barkley heads to the NFL, though their more significant
scholarship reductions are yet to be felt).

Jonathan

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Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com
> wrote:

> This should be interesting.
>
> Wonder how much prior knowledge of upcoming NCAA action was involved in
> UM agreeing to take the job.
>
> I guess we'll find out soon enough.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 12:42 PM
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today
>
> The NCAA has announced that the sanctions against Ohio State will be
> made public
> at 2PM CT today.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Dec 20 12:23:19 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:23:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu7=Y8DoZbBiqy6UX3Oq_8L=jm-ZhnABccT=+sJ57q6CUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20111220182319.5068B64DB5@romaine.tssi.com>

> Rumors are the report will be given to the press an hour before the press
> conference but they will be asked not to divulge the contents.  Expect to
> get the complete rundown at 1:01PM CT via twitter.

Yeah, a news embargo doesn't mean what it used to (and it didn't mean that
much!)

> All along, most expect the NCAA's sanctions to be in line with those
> self-imposed by OSU and I tend to agree; they may get docked with an
> additional scholarship or something of that order but I wouldn't expect a
> bowl ban or anything worse.  (And, it's not like a bowl ban in itself is
> that bad: just look at USC who would have won the Pac-12 south this year if
> not for that ban and will likely be the division front-runner for next
> season even if Barkley heads to the NFL, though their more significant
> scholarship reductions are yet to be felt).

As I recall, not many expected the USC sanctions to be as harsh as they
were, either.  The NCAA Rules committee has been rather unpredictable.

Ohio State has cast Jim Tressell as the villain in this melodrama, but
will the NCAA be content to play the role of the faithful friend? 
--
Mike Nolan


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Dec 20 12:59:47 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:59:47 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today
In-Reply-To: <20111220182319.5068B64DB5@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <CAAxRJu7=Y8DoZbBiqy6UX3Oq_8L=jm-ZhnABccT=+sJ57q6CUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20111220182319.5068B64DB5@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu6+ymNmSHoY=aEXnxc3E+JVvXDRFO2eOzeqmC=+tk1kxw@mail.gmail.com>

I was wrong:
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/20/ncaa-report.html

- Bowl ban after next season
- 4 additional scholarships taken
- extra year of probation

Definitely harder than most expected.  We'll see how much it hurts them in
the long run though (next year this could definitely help NU's potential
bowl standing).

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > Rumors are the report will be given to the press an hour before the press
> > conference but they will be asked not to divulge the contents.  Expect to
> > get the complete rundown at 1:01PM CT via twitter.
>
> Yeah, a news embargo doesn't mean what it used to (and it didn't mean that
> much!)
>
> > All along, most expect the NCAA's sanctions to be in line with those
> > self-imposed by OSU and I tend to agree; they may get docked with an
> > additional scholarship or something of that order but I wouldn't expect a
> > bowl ban or anything worse.  (And, it's not like a bowl ban in itself is
> > that bad: just look at USC who would have won the Pac-12 south this year
> if
> > not for that ban and will likely be the division front-runner for next
> > season even if Barkley heads to the NFL, though their more significant
> > scholarship reductions are yet to be felt).
>
> As I recall, not many expected the USC sanctions to be as harsh as they
> were, either.  The NCAA Rules committee has been rather unpredictable.
>
> Ohio State has cast Jim Tressell as the villain in this melodrama, but
> will the NCAA be content to play the role of the faithful friend?
> --
> Mike Nolan
>

From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 20 13:14:09 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:14:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu6+ymNmSHoY=aEXnxc3E+JVvXDRFO2eOzeqmC=+tk1kxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxRJu7=Y8DoZbBiqy6UX3Oq_8L=jm-ZhnABccT=+sJ57q6CUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20111220182319.5068B64DB5@romaine.tssi.com>
 <CAAxRJu6+ymNmSHoY=aEXnxc3E+JVvXDRFO2eOzeqmC=+tk1kxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1324408449.91626.YahooMailRC@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Can they appeal the penalty?




________________________________
From: Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
To: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Tue, December 20, 2011 12:59:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today

I was wrong:
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/20/ncaa-report.html

- Bowl ban after next season
- 4 additional scholarships taken
- extra year of probation

Definitely harder than most expected.? We'll see how much it hurts them in
the long run though (next year this could definitely help NU's potential
bowl standing).

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > Rumors are the report will be given to the press an hour before the press
> > conference but they will be asked not to divulge the contents.? Expect to
> > get the complete rundown at 1:01PM CT via twitter.
>
> Yeah, a news embargo doesn't mean what it used to (and it didn't mean that
> much!)
>
> > All along, most expect the NCAA's sanctions to be in line with those
> > self-imposed by OSU and I tend to agree; they may get docked with an
> > additional scholarship or something of that order but I wouldn't expect a
> > bowl ban or anything worse.? (And, it's not like a bowl ban in itself is
> > that bad: just look at USC who would have won the Pac-12 south this year
> if
> > not for that ban and will likely be the division front-runner for next
> > season even if Barkley heads to the NFL, though their more significant
> > scholarship reductions are yet to be felt).
>
> As I recall, not many expected the USC sanctions to be as harsh as they
> were, either.? The NCAA Rules committee has been rather unpredictable.
>
> Ohio State has cast Jim Tressell as the villain in this melodrama, but
> will the NCAA be content to play the role of the faithful friend?
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Dec 20 13:20:31 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:20:31 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu6+ymNmSHoY=aEXnxc3E+JVvXDRFO2eOzeqmC=+tk1kxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxRJu7=Y8DoZbBiqy6UX3Oq_8L=jm-ZhnABccT=+sJ57q6CUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20111220182319.5068B64DB5@romaine.tssi.com>
 <CAAxRJu6+ymNmSHoY=aEXnxc3E+JVvXDRFO2eOzeqmC=+tk1kxw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC0C949C@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>


Well there you go.

 

UM's contacts apparently weren't all that reliable.

 

Glad to see the NCAA hand out stiff penalties.  It's really the only
choice that they have if they want to remain relevant.

 

As others have said, however, USC seemed to be able to continue to
recruit quality athletes and I suspect OSU will be able to do that as
well.

 

There is also something of a silver lining in here for UM.  He already
has plausible deniability for his results for the next two years.  If
things go great, he will take all of the credit.  If things don't go so
well, he can point to the penalties and promise better performance when
they expire.

 

Also we have to be grateful for NU's strong admissions standards.  They
help insulate NU from the worst of these sorts of violations.  Fitz has
to recruit character kids who value an NU scholarship and have
demonstrated they have the discipline and talent to graduate.  This
won't eliminate all potential problems, as we've seen.  But it does
hopefully protect us from the sort of institutional rot which results in
these sorts of sanctions.   

 

Jeff

 

From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com [mailto:jonathanwhodges at gmail.com] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:00 PM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today

 

I was wrong:
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/20/ncaa-report.html

- Bowl ban after next season
- 4 additional scholarships taken
- extra year of probation

Definitely harder than most expected.  We'll see how much it hurts them
in the long run though (next year this could definitely help NU's
potential bowl standing).

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu




On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> Rumors are the report will be given to the press an hour before the
press
> conference but they will be asked not to divulge the contents.  Expect
to
> get the complete rundown at 1:01PM CT via twitter.

Yeah, a news embargo doesn't mean what it used to (and it didn't mean
that
much!)


> All along, most expect the NCAA's sanctions to be in line with those
> self-imposed by OSU and I tend to agree; they may get docked with an
> additional scholarship or something of that order but I wouldn't
expect a
> bowl ban or anything worse.  (And, it's not like a bowl ban in itself
is
> that bad: just look at USC who would have won the Pac-12 south this
year if
> not for that ban and will likely be the division front-runner for next
> season even if Barkley heads to the NFL, though their more significant
> scholarship reductions are yet to be felt).

As I recall, not many expected the USC sanctions to be as harsh as they
were, either.  The NCAA Rules committee has been rather unpredictable.

Ohio State has cast Jim Tressell as the villain in this melodrama, but
will the NCAA be content to play the role of the faithful friend?
--
Mike Nolan

 


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Dec 20 14:28:02 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:28:02 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today
In-Reply-To: <1324408449.91626.YahooMailRC@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAAxRJu7=Y8DoZbBiqy6UX3Oq_8L=jm-ZhnABccT=+sJ57q6CUg@mail.gmail.com>
 <20111220182319.5068B64DB5@romaine.tssi.com>
 <CAAxRJu6+ymNmSHoY=aEXnxc3E+JVvXDRFO2eOzeqmC=+tk1kxw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1324408449.91626.YahooMailRC@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAAxRJu5_QGmhLoA6CSY724Dj979MPaJaB+L0KbNuXDZoku35LA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, but...

http://www.ohiostatebuckeyes.com/genrel/122011aab.html

"we have decided not to appeal the decision because we need to move forward
as an institution" - OSU AD Gene Smith

Also, the full NCAA report is here:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2011/december/ohio+state+cited+for+failure+to+monitor,+receives+postseason+ban

IMHO I have no idea how Smith is still the AD at OSU; he is has seemed to
fight everything tooth and nail from the beginning yet they continually get
hammered with worse issues/sanctions than the initial reports.  He also
continues to have a somewhat combative tone towards these types of issues.
I know OSU Pres. Gee has also made some inflammatory statements, but he
headed some other more academic minded institutions and wasn't afraid of
making necessary moves (i.e. essentially folding the athletic department at
Vanderbilt and restructuring it into the rest of the school).

In any case this will likely open up another bowl slot in 2012, which would
seemingly be good for NU.  NU doesn't play OSU in 2012, but will get the
back in 2013-14, when they'll be facing the full brunt of the 9 lost
scholarships.

Jonathan

--
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Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:14 PM, Evans Schoeman <eschoeman at sbcglobal.net>wrote:

> Can they appeal the penalty?
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Jonathan Hodges <j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu>
> *To:* Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
> *Cc:* nwu-sports at tssi.com
> *Sent:* Tue, December 20, 2011 12:59:47 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today
>
> I was wrong:
> http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/20/ncaa-report.html
>
> - Bowl ban after next season
> - 4 additional scholarships taken
> - extra year of probation
>
> Definitely harder than most expected.  We'll see how much it hurts them in
> the long run though (next year this could definitely help NU's potential
> bowl standing).
>
> --
> Jonathan Hodges
> Contributor, HailToPurple
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> Twitter: @hailtopurple
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:
>
> > > Rumors are the report will be given to the press an hour before the
> press
> > > conference but they will be asked not to divulge the contents.  Expect
> to
> > > get the complete rundown at 1:01PM CT via twitter.
> >
> > Yeah, a news embargo doesn't mean what it used to (and it didn't mean
> that
> > much!)
> >
> > > All along, most expect the NCAA's sanctions to be in line with those
> > > self-imposed by OSU and I tend to agree; they may get docked with an
> > > additional scholarship or something of that order but I wouldn't
> expect a
> > > bowl ban or anything worse.  (And, it's not like a bowl ban in itself
> is
> > > that bad: just look at USC who would have won the Pac-12 south this
> year
> > if
> > > not for that ban and will likely be the division front-runner for next
> > > season even if Barkley heads to the NFL, though their more significant
> > > scholarship reductions are yet to be felt).
> >
> > As I recall, not many expected the USC sanctions to be as harsh as they
> > were, either.  The NCAA Rules committee has been rather unpredictable.
> >
> > Ohio State has cast Jim Tressell as the villain in this melodrama, but
> > will the NCAA be content to play the role of the faithful friend?
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> >
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 20 14:30:47 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:30:47 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
Message-ID: <30789827.1324413048423.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'm a happy Buckeye basher today. I knew they wouldn't get hit as hard as SC, but I was fearful they wouldn't get hit with a bowl ban. Now that they will miss a bowl, I'm ecstatic that they didn't have the foresight to voluntarily take a bowl ban this year. - Jim B.


From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Dec 20 15:41:00 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:41:00 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
Message-ID: <1764251707-1324417112-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-345487831-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

There must be a lot of long faces in Columbus today.  What a wonderful way for Yours Truly to roll into Chanukah this evening.  Ho ho ho, the Buckeyes really stubbed their toe.
------Original Message------
From: Jim Bendat
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: Jim Bendat
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
Sent: Dec 20, 2011 3:30 PM

I'm a happy Buckeye basher today. I knew they wouldn't get hit as hard as SC, but I was fearful they wouldn't get hit with a bowl ban. Now that they will miss a bowl, I'm ecstatic that they didn't have the foresight to voluntarily take a bowl ban this year. - Jim B.

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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Tue Dec 20 18:04:18 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:04:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
In-Reply-To: <1764251707-1324417112-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-345487831-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <1764251707-1324417112-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-345487831-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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Nice!  However,  with 9 less schollies to offer, OSU has more money to pay their other players.  Always need to look at the bright side:)      elk



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From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
To: Jim Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State


There must be a lot of long faces in Columbus today.  What a wonderful way for 
Yours Truly to roll into Chanukah this evening.  Ho ho ho, the Buckeyes really 
stubbed their toe.
------Original Message------
From: Jim Bendat
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: Jim Bendat
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
Sent: Dec 20, 2011 3:30 PM

I'm a happy Buckeye basher today. I knew they wouldn't get hit as hard as SC, 
but I was fearful they wouldn't get hit with a bowl ban. Now that they will miss 
a bowl, I'm ecstatic that they didn't have the foresight to voluntarily take a 
bowl ban this year. - Jim B.

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 20 18:12:21 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:12:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
In-Reply-To: <8CE8D8B37EF02FE-274C-EEC03@webmail-m170.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1764251707-1324417112-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-345487831-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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Message-ID: <1324426341.54587.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

On one hand, I'm glad that the great Sanctimonious St. Urban of Pious Pomposity and his double-coaching staff Buckeyes will have to sit out a bowl next year.

On the other hand, if they had just done it THIS year, then I could be watching the Cats in Sun Devil Stadium next week for the Insight Bowl in person instead of on TV in Houston!

(Of course, had we gone to the Insight, we'd have played Oklahoma ... ouch! Thanks for taking one for the league there, Hogeyes!)
?
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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________________________________



________________________________
 From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
To: neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:04 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
 
Nice!? However,? with 9 less schollies to offer, OSU has more money to pay their other players.? Always need to look at the bright side:)? ? ? elk



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To: Jim Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 11:38 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State


There must be a lot of long faces in Columbus today.? What a wonderful way for 
Yours Truly to roll into Chanukah this evening.? Ho ho ho, the Buckeyes really 
stubbed their toe.
------Original Message------
From: Jim Bendat
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: Jim Bendat
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
Sent: Dec 20, 2011 3:30 PM

I'm a happy Buckeye basher today. I knew they wouldn't get hit as hard as SC, 
but I was fearful they wouldn't get hit with a bowl ban. Now that they will miss 
a bowl, I'm ecstatic that they didn't have the foresight to voluntarily take a 
bowl ban this year. - Jim B.

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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 19:00:19 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:00:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu6+ymNmSHoY=aEXnxc3E+JVvXDRFO2eOzeqmC=+tk1kxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxRJu7=Y8DoZbBiqy6UX3Oq_8L=jm-ZhnABccT=+sJ57q6CUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Plus Tressel got a five year show cause which is way more than I expected.
It also means the cast Tressel as the villain strategy worked.
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Hodges <
j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:

> I was wrong:
> http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/20/ncaa-report.html
>
> - Bowl ban after next season
> - 4 additional scholarships taken
> - extra year of probation
>
> Definitely harder than most expected.  We'll see how much it hurts them in
> the long run though (next year this could definitely help NU's potential
> bowl standing).
>
> --
> Jonathan Hodges
> Contributor, HailToPurple
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> Twitter: @hailtopurple
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:
>
> > > Rumors are the report will be given to the press an hour before the
> press
> > > conference but they will be asked not to divulge the contents.  Expect
> to
> > > get the complete rundown at 1:01PM CT via twitter.
> >
> > Yeah, a news embargo doesn't mean what it used to (and it didn't mean
> that
> > much!)
> >
> > > All along, most expect the NCAA's sanctions to be in line with those
> > > self-imposed by OSU and I tend to agree; they may get docked with an
> > > additional scholarship or something of that order but I wouldn't
> expect a
> > > bowl ban or anything worse.  (And, it's not like a bowl ban in itself
> is
> > > that bad: just look at USC who would have won the Pac-12 south this
> year
> > if
> > > not for that ban and will likely be the division front-runner for next
> > > season even if Barkley heads to the NFL, though their more significant
> > > scholarship reductions are yet to be felt).
> >
> > As I recall, not many expected the USC sanctions to be as harsh as they
> > were, either.  The NCAA Rules committee has been rather unpredictable.
> >
> > Ohio State has cast Jim Tressell as the villain in this melodrama, but
> > will the NCAA be content to play the role of the faithful friend?
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> >
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Dec 20 22:37:36 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:37:36 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu6+ymNmSHoY=aEXnxc3E+JVvXDRFO2eOzeqmC=+tk1kxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAxRJu7=Y8DoZbBiqy6UX3Oq_8L=jm-ZhnABccT=+sJ57q6CUg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <005a01ccbf9a$445a2910$cd0e7b30$@com>

IMHO they are still dOSU.

And they can now spend all that scollie money on roundball players - setting up another
chance at probation there.

D(uh)OSU

rsl 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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-------------------- Also ----------------------
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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 2:00 PM
To: Mike Nolan
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ohio State sanctions due at 2PM CT today

I was wrong:
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/12/20/ncaa-report.html

- Bowl ban after next season
- 4 additional scholarships taken
- extra year of probation

Definitely harder than most expected.  We'll see how much it hurts them in
the long run though (next year this could definitely help NU's potential
bowl standing).

--
Jonathan Hodges
Contributor, HailToPurple
Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com> wrote:

> > Rumors are the report will be given to the press an hour before the press
> > conference but they will be asked not to divulge the contents.  Expect to
> > get the complete rundown at 1:01PM CT via twitter.
>
> Yeah, a news embargo doesn't mean what it used to (and it didn't mean that
> much!)
>
> > All along, most expect the NCAA's sanctions to be in line with those
> > self-imposed by OSU and I tend to agree; they may get docked with an
> > additional scholarship or something of that order but I wouldn't expect a
> > bowl ban or anything worse.  (And, it's not like a bowl ban in itself is
> > that bad: just look at USC who would have won the Pac-12 south this year
> if
> > not for that ban and will likely be the division front-runner for next
> > season even if Barkley heads to the NFL, though their more significant
> > scholarship reductions are yet to be felt).
>
> As I recall, not many expected the USC sanctions to be as harsh as they
> were, either.  The NCAA Rules committee has been rather unpredictable.
>
> Ohio State has cast Jim Tressell as the villain in this melodrama, but
> will the NCAA be content to play the role of the faithful friend?
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From alan.abrahamson at gmail.com  Tue Dec 20 23:21:13 2011
From: alan.abrahamson at gmail.com (Alan Abrahamson)
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:21:13 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcat women's swim team at Olympic training center
Message-ID: <-8168977556681985215@unknownmsgid>

http://www.teamusa.org/news/2011/12/20/northwestern-swimming-team-uses-otc-stay-to-join-community/45938?ngb_id=3

Happy Hanukkah to all!

Alan


Sent from my iPhone


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Dec 21 06:14:24 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:14:24 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcat women's swim team at Olympic training center
In-Reply-To: <-8168977556681985215@unknownmsgid>
References: <-8168977556681985215@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <001401ccbfda$149b4e80$3dd1eb80$@com>

If the Cats win on the Hardwood this week, and then down in Houston, does that count as a
belated Hanukka gift along with a Christmas gift?

That would truly make it a Happy Holiday for we Cat fans, regardless of our religious
persuasion.

Happy Hanukka, Merry Christmas, and may we all have a better New Year.

rsl


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:21 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcat women's swim team at Olympic training center

http://www.teamusa.org/news/2011/12/20/northwestern-swimming-team-uses-otc-stay-to-join-co
mmunity/45938?ngb_id=3

Happy Hanukkah to all!

Alan


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From neonrye at aol.com  Wed Dec 21 08:59:14 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:59:14 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcat women's swim team at Olympic training center
In-Reply-To: <001401ccbfda$149b4e80$3dd1eb80$@com>
References: <-8168977556681985215@unknownmsgid>
 <001401ccbfda$149b4e80$3dd1eb80$@com>
Message-ID: <1676630658-1324479405-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-322402475-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Roy,

Strictly speaking, during the eight days of Hannukah, one is to receive--or give--eight gifts, one each day.  So a win over Creighton would qualify.  As for a bowl win down in Houston, I think we would all go for a belated Christmas/Hannukah gift--actually belated since 1949.:-)

And it would launch us for a better New Year, although obviously there are more important factors in determining improvement in the coming year--although a 'Cat bowl win (given its precious nature)ranks pretty darn close to a rising economy and good health for everyone.:-)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 07:14:24 
To: 'Alan Abrahamson'<alan.abrahamson at gmail.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Wildcat women's swim team at Olympic training center

If the Cats win on the Hardwood this week, and then down in Houston, does that count as a
belated Hanukka gift along with a Christmas gift?

That would truly make it a Happy Holiday for we Cat fans, regardless of our religious
persuasion.

Happy Hanukka, Merry Christmas, and may we all have a better New Year.

rsl


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Alan
Abrahamson
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:21 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcat women's swim team at Olympic training center

http://www.teamusa.org/news/2011/12/20/northwestern-swimming-team-uses-otc-stay-to-join-co
mmunity/45938?ngb_id=3

Happy Hanukkah to all!

Alan


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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Wed Dec 21 09:09:13 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 10:09:13 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
In-Reply-To: <1324426341.54587.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1764251707-1324417112-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-345487831-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
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It was inspiring to see the OSU president and AD standup for what's right
and good and throw Tressel under the bus.  OSU gets hit with failure to
maintain oversight of the athletic programs (emphasis on the "s") but the
only staff member who loses his job and/or faces NCAA sanction is Tressel,
who gets hit with a 5yr. show cause order that effectively ends his
collegiate career. That Tressel deserved it is not my problem; can someone
explain why Gene Smith still has a job since he is the one who has
oversight responsibility?
That's a rhetorical question in case you couldn't tell.
Mark

*Mark S. Ament*
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:12 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> On one hand, I'm glad that the great Sanctimonious St. Urban of Pious
> Pomposity and his double-coaching staff Buckeyes will have to sit out a
> bowl next year.
>
> On the other hand, if they had just done it THIS year, then I could be
> watching the Cats in Sun Devil Stadium next week for the Insight Bowl in
> person instead of on TV in Houston!
>
> (Of course, had we gone to the Insight, we'd have played Oklahoma ...
> ouch! Thanks for taking one for the league there, Hogeyes!)
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
> To: neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
>
> Nice!  However,  with 9 less schollies to offer, OSU has more money to pay
> their other players.  Always need to look at the bright side:)      elk
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
> To: Jim Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 11:38 am
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
>
>
> There must be a lot of long faces in Columbus today.  What a wonderful way
> for
> Yours Truly to roll into Chanukah this evening.  Ho ho ho, the Buckeyes
> really
> stubbed their toe.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Jim Bendat
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> ReplyTo: Jim Bendat
> Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
> Sent: Dec 20, 2011 3:30 PM
>
> I'm a happy Buckeye basher today. I knew they wouldn't get hit as hard as
> SC,
> but I was fearful they wouldn't get hit with a bowl ban. Now that they
> will miss
> a bowl, I'm ecstatic that they didn't have the foresight to voluntarily
> take a
> bowl ban this year. - Jim B.
>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Dec 21 10:18:51 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:18:51 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
In-Reply-To: <CAPCH0ENs-L2TsFSEs8t=83facMywGZbshTtWm5BTdrs31e=O-w@mail.gmail.com>
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The NCAA had a problem.  They couldn't figure out where Smith's lips
stopped and Gee's butt started.  The NCAA clearly didn't have enough to
oust Gee.  It appears that they have also decided that they couldn't
surgically separate the two.  So Smith gets to stay for now firmly
attached.  I suspect we will see Smith finally exhale, disengage
himself, and gracefully retire sometime next year after UM has completed
his transition. 

Jeff


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On Behalf Of Sportsbiz
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:09 AM
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State

It was inspiring to see the OSU president and AD standup for what's
right
and good and throw Tressel under the bus.  OSU gets hit with failure to
maintain oversight of the athletic programs (emphasis on the "s") but
the
only staff member who loses his job and/or faces NCAA sanction is
Tressel,
who gets hit with a 5yr. show cause order that effectively ends his
collegiate career. That Tressel deserved it is not my problem; can
someone
explain why Gene Smith still has a job since he is the one who has
oversight responsibility?
That's a rhetorical question in case you couldn't tell.
Mark

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On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:12 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> On one hand, I'm glad that the great Sanctimonious St. Urban of Pious
> Pomposity and his double-coaching staff Buckeyes will have to sit out
a
> bowl next year.
>
> On the other hand, if they had just done it THIS year, then I could be
> watching the Cats in Sun Devil Stadium next week for the Insight Bowl
in
> person instead of on TV in Houston!
>
> (Of course, had we gone to the Insight, we'd have played Oklahoma ...
> ouch! Thanks for taking one for the league there, Hogeyes!)
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
> To: neonrye at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 5:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
>
> Nice!  However,  with 9 less schollies to offer, OSU has more money to
pay
> their other players.  Always need to look at the bright side:)
elk
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
> To: Jim Bendat <thehaze at earthlink.net>; nwu-sports
<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 11:38 am
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
>
>
> There must be a lot of long faces in Columbus today.  What a wonderful
way
> for
> Yours Truly to roll into Chanukah this evening.  Ho ho ho, the
Buckeyes
> really
> stubbed their toe.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Jim Bendat
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> ReplyTo: Jim Bendat
> Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl ban for Ohio State
> Sent: Dec 20, 2011 3:30 PM
>
> I'm a happy Buckeye basher today. I knew they wouldn't get hit as hard
as
> SC,
> but I was fearful they wouldn't get hit with a bowl ban. Now that they
> will miss
> a bowl, I'm ecstatic that they didn't have the foresight to
voluntarily
> take a
> bowl ban this year. - Jim B.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 22 00:14:04 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:14:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] League coaching news ...
Message-ID: <1324534444.35620.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Was channel surfing and caught a bit from tonight's nameless bowl glut game ... the action on screen didn't hold my attention, but the ticker did, with three interesting news items about Big Ten coaches ...

- St. Urban of Sanctimonious Pomposity apparently said the bowl ban and sanctions were a "sucker punch to the gut" ... aww, that made me feel so bad. :) Yup. Just awful. The only bad news out of that situation is that the school president and AD seem to have escaped the not-so-long or powerful arm of the NCAA.

- Paul Crist will reportedly be the next Pitt coach. Not sure why you'd want to leave Madison for a school whose most "successful" coach in the past three decades has been Waany ... but maybe he can resurrect Pitt? With PSU in transition and the new conference, it could be a good time. Should be interesting to see if this affects the Badgers' offense for Pasadena and even more intriguing to see how the Smug Smirk of Cheddarland does without his offensive guru ...

- And finally, a note comes along the ticker in the "kicking someone while they're down" category with bitter ole' Bobby Bowden remarking on how HE would have handled the whole Penn State Sandusky scandal differently ... not sure what his angle is here ... does he hope Paterno's wins are taken away in this mess? And anyway, not sure that Mr. "Echo of the Whistle" "International Rules" "Free Shoes U." coach should be handing out advice to someone whose graduation rate-to-players in the police blotter ration was a heck of a lot better than Po' Ole Daggum Plum Flustered Bobby.

Oh well, I know there have been some exhibition games but don't forget that the bowl season kicks off for real tomorrow night in Vegas when we finally get a bowl between two teams who people have actually heard of and who were each in the top 25 at some point in the season -- so get your bowl picks in before ASU/BSU kick off in Sin City.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
??
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Dec 22 06:38:37 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 07:38:37 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Interesting - Paul Quinn College (lost to Baylor)
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22AFA@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/22/sports/ncaabasketball/seeking-exposure-a-little-texas-team-plays-baylor.html

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Dec 22 07:21:08 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 08:21:08 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Interesting - Paul Quinn College (lost to Baylor)
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This sure sounds like a mismatch, and a bit of a joke, BUT

The smaller NAIA and Div III colleges know that having basketball and football teams helps
round out their student body.

Having those teams gives them access to kids who might normally just head down the road to
the local community college after a halfway decent time playing high school ball.

It also helps open the wallets of alumni during fundraising, those alums like to see their
alma mater in the papers once in a while, and having a team doesn't hurt getting more
positive stories printed.

My middle son, David, the football lineman, would have stayed home and worked as a
carpenter if Greensboro College hadn't had a football team. He was too small to play above
D3, but he was able to eventually start 2 of his 4 years, which culminated in a degree and
several job opportunities among Greensboro's alums after graduation.

Greensboro was a small time ladies finishing school affiliated with the Methodist Church
when the trustees decided to become a co-ed institution. They limped along with an 80-20
female to male student population, producing some decent musicians and theater people,
mostly schoolteachers.

Then they added a football team.

Immediately they added 100 new men to their student body, which also brought more male
students, bringing the radio closer to 50-50. 

As long as they don't "sell their soul" to get a winning team, I don't see any problem
with smaller colleges using sports to add to their student populations. The game with
Baylor will be a footnote in the Paul Quinn College history, but when they're out
recruiting students, it's one more tool in the bag for the colleges reps to use on college
night at the local HS.

Besides, like Delaware State and University of MD Eastern Shore, the money helps pay for
the program.

rsl

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From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Dec 22 08:02:42 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:02:42 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] League coaching news ...
In-Reply-To: <1324534444.35620.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1324534444.35620.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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I'm not sure if the NCAA has any ability to force an AD or president out of
their position (I doubt it), though I agree that Gene Smith certainly
doesn't seem to deserve to stick around there while Gordon Gee hasn't
exactly handled the situation that well, either.

I don't blame any assistant coach from jumping at the chance to take an FBS
coaching position, particularly at a BCS AQ school.  Assistants,
particularly coordinators, may be paid rather well, but they are
essentially year to year employees and may be sacrificed at any time to
spare the head coach (see what Zook did at Illinois a couple of years ago
when he brought in 2 new coordinators).  Plus, I am sure that the vast
majority of assistants are trying to work their way up into the top chair.
And, as you mentioned, Pitt has a potential opening with PSU down and also
them heading to a (slightly) better conference (ACC) in the near future.

Finally, I also don't blame Bowden for being straightforward and answering
the question during a radio interview; he's always seemed to be a straight
shooter and now that he's retired he doesn't have to answer to anyone so
I'm glad he gave a real answer.  I don't think he was trying to put salt in
the wound but just answer the question honestly.  Meanwhile, the PSU
coaching search continues while any remaining candidates seem to be taking
the last jobs out there.

Jonathan

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On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:14 AM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Was channel surfing and caught a bit from tonight's nameless bowl glut
> game ... the action on screen didn't hold my attention, but the ticker did,
> with three interesting news items about Big Ten coaches ...
>
> - St. Urban of Sanctimonious Pomposity apparently said the bowl ban and
> sanctions were a "sucker punch to the gut" ... aww, that made me feel so
> bad. :) Yup. Just awful. The only bad news out of that situation is that
> the school president and AD seem to have escaped the not-so-long or
> powerful arm of the NCAA.
>
> - Paul Crist will reportedly be the next Pitt coach. Not sure why you'd
> want to leave Madison for a school whose most "successful" coach in the
> past three decades has been Waany ... but maybe he can resurrect Pitt? With
> PSU in transition and the new conference, it could be a good time. Should
> be interesting to see if this affects the Badgers' offense for Pasadena and
> even more intriguing to see how the Smug Smirk of Cheddarland does without
> his offensive guru ...
>
> - And finally, a note comes along the ticker in the "kicking someone while
> they're down" category with bitter ole' Bobby Bowden remarking on how HE
> would have handled the whole Penn State Sandusky scandal differently ...
> not sure what his angle is here ... does he hope Paterno's wins are taken
> away in this mess? And anyway, not sure that Mr. "Echo of the Whistle"
> "International Rules" "Free Shoes U." coach should be handing out advice to
> someone whose graduation rate-to-players in the police blotter ration was a
> heck of a lot better than Po' Ole Daggum Plum Flustered Bobby.
>
> Oh well, I know there have been some exhibition games but don't forget
> that the bowl season kicks off for real tomorrow night in Vegas when we
> finally get a bowl between two teams who people have actually heard of and
> who were each in the top 25 at some point in the season -- so get your bowl
> picks in before ASU/BSU kick off in Sin City.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Thu Dec 22 11:09:30 2011
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:09:30 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] League coaching news ...
In-Reply-To: <CAAxRJu6p+qOCJgRq0a26Z1Y_1vgSLQKzc74hwfcQZ1dSphfwsg@mail.gmail.com>
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Jonathan,

I think you're right that the NCAA does not have direct power to cause an
AD to be fired.  However there is more than one way to address a problem
and certainly the folks in Indianapolis could have made known (and perhaps
did) their extreme displeasure with the inaction of the AD in question.  My
suspicion is they did not, in part because Smith has been very active
within NCAA governance circles.  I don't know if they can issue a show
cause order for an AD and I don't have an up-to-date rule book handy.
 Theoretically i suppose there would be no reason they couldn't since the
actions of an AD fall under the purview of the NCAA.  That said, I can't
recall a case where an AD was sanctioned, even in the face of the dreaded
lack of institutional control, which is one step further than the finding
against OSU.

Mark
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On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Jonathan Hodges <
j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:

> I'm not sure if the NCAA has any ability to force an AD or president out of
> their position (I doubt it), though I agree that Gene Smith certainly
> doesn't seem to deserve to stick around there while Gordon Gee hasn't
> exactly handled the situation that well, either.
>
> I don't blame any assistant coach from jumping at the chance to take an FBS
> coaching position, particularly at a BCS AQ school.  Assistants,
> particularly coordinators, may be paid rather well, but they are
> essentially year to year employees and may be sacrificed at any time to
> spare the head coach (see what Zook did at Illinois a couple of years ago
> when he brought in 2 new coordinators).  Plus, I am sure that the vast
> majority of assistants are trying to work their way up into the top chair.
> And, as you mentioned, Pitt has a potential opening with PSU down and also
> them heading to a (slightly) better conference (ACC) in the near future.
>
> Finally, I also don't blame Bowden for being straightforward and answering
> the question during a radio interview; he's always seemed to be a straight
> shooter and now that he's retired he doesn't have to answer to anyone so
> I'm glad he gave a real answer.  I don't think he was trying to put salt in
> the wound but just answer the question honestly.  Meanwhile, the PSU
> coaching search continues while any remaining candidates seem to be taking
> the last jobs out there.
>
> Jonathan
>
> --
> Jonathan Hodges
> Contributor, HailToPurple
> Web: http://www.hailtopurple.com/jhodges/
> Twitter: @hailtopurple
> Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 1:14 AM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> <sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:
>
> > Was channel surfing and caught a bit from tonight's nameless bowl glut
> > game ... the action on screen didn't hold my attention, but the ticker
> did,
> > with three interesting news items about Big Ten coaches ...
> >
> > - St. Urban of Sanctimonious Pomposity apparently said the bowl ban and
> > sanctions were a "sucker punch to the gut" ... aww, that made me feel so
> > bad. :) Yup. Just awful. The only bad news out of that situation is that
> > the school president and AD seem to have escaped the not-so-long or
> > powerful arm of the NCAA.
> >
> > - Paul Crist will reportedly be the next Pitt coach. Not sure why you'd
> > want to leave Madison for a school whose most "successful" coach in the
> > past three decades has been Waany ... but maybe he can resurrect Pitt?
> With
> > PSU in transition and the new conference, it could be a good time. Should
> > be interesting to see if this affects the Badgers' offense for Pasadena
> and
> > even more intriguing to see how the Smug Smirk of Cheddarland does
> without
> > his offensive guru ...
> >
> > - And finally, a note comes along the ticker in the "kicking someone
> while
> > they're down" category with bitter ole' Bobby Bowden remarking on how HE
> > would have handled the whole Penn State Sandusky scandal differently ...
> > not sure what his angle is here ... does he hope Paterno's wins are taken
> > away in this mess? And anyway, not sure that Mr. "Echo of the Whistle"
> > "International Rules" "Free Shoes U." coach should be handing out advice
> to
> > someone whose graduation rate-to-players in the police blotter ration
> was a
> > heck of a lot better than Po' Ole Daggum Plum Flustered Bobby.
> >
> > Oh well, I know there have been some exhibition games but don't forget
> > that the bowl season kicks off for real tomorrow night in Vegas when we
> > finally get a bowl between two teams who people have actually heard of
> and
> > who were each in the top 25 at some point in the season -- so get your
> bowl
> > picks in before ASU/BSU kick off in Sin City.
> >
> > GO CATS!!!
> > -SjT
> >
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> > sjtruog at yahoo.com
> > GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> > Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> > ________________________________
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
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> >
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Dec 22 11:51:27 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 12:51:27 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] EDUCATION: Male students' grades drop when football
	teams win
Message-ID: <001201ccc0d2$5501aca0$ff0505e0$@com>

http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/20111222/NEWS01/111222011/EDUCATION-Male-students-grade
s-drop-when-football-teams-win?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|frontpage



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 22 11:55:49 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:55:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] EDUCATION: Male students' grades drop when football
	teams win
In-Reply-To: <001201ccc0d2$5501aca0$ff0505e0$@com>
References: <001201ccc0d2$5501aca0$ff0505e0$@com>
Message-ID: <1324576549.53207.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I would say that this is true ...

The only two grades where I dipped below what I felt was acceptable at NU (A/B) was one in the winter quarter of 1994 (NU's NIT hoops run) and the fall quarter of 1995 (Rose Bowl).

So this has a ring of truth to it. :)

- Stephen
?
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Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:51 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] EDUCATION: Male students' grades drop when football teams win
 
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"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
? Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
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The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Dec 22 21:16:46 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 22:16:46 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] vs Creighton
Message-ID: <000f01ccc121$4e151db0$ea3f5910$@com>

Sobo and Luka are going to have to score if we're going to win games like this.

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========




From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Dec 23 06:23:38 2011
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 07:23:38 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Texas A & M tragedy
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22B32@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

TEXAS A&M SENIOR OL JOSEPH VILLAVISENCIO KILLED IN CAR ACCIDENT: Witness reports say that Villavisencio swerved to avoid a buzzard and veered head-on into the path of an 18-wheeler near the town of Normangee about 40 miles from College Station, on Thursday. Villavisencio spent part of Thursday with the team delivering gifts to families at a local shelter after the Aggies finished their last workout on campus in preparation for the Meineke Car Care Bowl. Villavisencio was heading to his home in Jacksonville, Texas, at the time of the crash.


From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 23 08:59:10 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 06:59:10 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] EDUCATION: Male students' grades drop when football
	teams win
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By my worst quarter at NU was the fall of 1995. That probably has something to do with the fact that I attended all 11 regular season games. This is also come correlation to a class called Econometrics. To this day I do not accept that as a legitimate course of study. I spent nearly every class sitting between Matt Rice and Paul Janus discussing practice and upcoming games.
?
Go Cats!
Jim
 

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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] EDUCATION: Male students' grades drop when football teams win
 
I would say that this is true ...

The only two grades where I dipped below what I felt was acceptable at NU (A/B) was one in the winter quarter of 1994 (NU's NIT hoops run) and the fall quarter of 1995 (Rose Bowl).

So this has a ring of truth to it. :)

- Stephen
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* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/20111222/NEWS01/111222011/EDUCATION-Male-students-grade
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =? =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Dec 23 10:11:37 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:11:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Texas A & M tragedy
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC375F22B32@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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> TEXAS A&M SENIOR OL JOSEPH VILLAVISENCIO KILLED IN CAR ACCIDENT: Witness reports say that Villavisencio swerved to avoid a buzzard and veered head-on into the path of an 18-wheeler near the town of Normangee about 40 miles from College Station, on Thursday. Villavisencio spent part of Thursday with the team delivering gifts to families at a local shelter after the Aggies finished their last workout on campus in preparation for the Meineke Car Care Bowl. Villavisencio was heading to his home in Jacksonville, Texas, at the time of the crash.

Very sad news.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Dec 23 10:18:50 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:18:50 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Boise State
Message-ID: <20111223161850.DB28164CE4@romaine.tssi.com>

Too bad Boise State didn't have a bowl opponent worthy of them last night,
like Michigan.  

The game was Arizona State's season in a nutshell.

Boise State returns the opening kickoff 100 yards for a TD.  ASU is down by 21 
quickly, they have no ground game, and their QB is inconsistent.

When ASU returned the second half kickoff for a TD, down 28-3, it looked like 
they might get back into the game.  A failed on-sides kick was followed by
a Boise State turnover that resulted in a failed 4th down conversion for ASU.

Boise State turns the ball over AGAIN, ASU drives to the 1.  Dennis Erickson
is desperately trying to get an official's attention to call time out before
the next play, which results in an interception in the end zone returned
for a TD.  ASU couldn't recover from that 14 point swing.  
--
Mike Nolan




From wildelk2 at aol.com  Fri Dec 23 11:41:40 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:41:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] vs Creighton
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  We also got our clock cleaned on the boards, especially in the 2nd half.  I won't say we were out-hustled, but CU came up with the loose balls and rebounds when it counted.  Great game by Drew in a losing effort.
   At the beginning of the season, I thought we needed 20 wins in regular season.  To acheive this, we need to go 10-8 in conference.  If we are tournement worthy, we'll do it.  9-9 will put us on the bubble and we hope for a win or two in the conference tournement. Anything less, and its NIT time...again.

   My thoughts are that Jershon Cobb needs to become a big-time player like Drew and Shurna.  You get what you get from Marco, Hearn, our centers and Sobe is a freshman. But Cobb is a baller who should get better if he can shake off the injuries.  Not a bad loss like Baylor; Creighton played excellent after a disappointing road loss at St. Josph's last weekend.

GO CATS!!         Eric
   


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Sobo and Luka are going to have to score if we're going to win games like this.
rsl
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rom those who are willing to work and give it to 
hose who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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 don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
 prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
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f we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
ell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Dec 23 13:20:18 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 14:20:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Texas A & M tragedy
Message-ID: <4ce96.62f48b56.3c262e72@aol.com>

Yes sad story, that bird was a long way from home as there are no buzzards  
in North America, it was probably a vulture, he should have run it  over.

From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Dec 23 13:34:21 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 19:34:21 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Texas A & M tragedy
Message-ID: <1804782441-1324668709-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-552370032-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

He was a back-up offensive lineman, but apparently very popular with his teammates and really respected by the recently-ousted Head Coach, Mike Sherman.  A very sad footnote to the game that is now 8 days away.  One wonders how the A & M players will absorb this latest blow, just weeks after Coach Sherman was shown the door.
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Yes sad story, that bird was a long way from home as there are no buzzards  
in North America, it was probably a vulture, he should have run it  over.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Dec 23 16:14:34 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 17:14:34 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Texas A & M tragedy
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They will either play the game for their team mate, or let it bother them.

A good O-Line coach and offensive coordinator would try to focus the unit's efforts at
respecting the kid's memory, unless they are already looking beyond the game to their next
job, where ever that might be.

But I'm not surprised at someone getting killed on the back roads of east Texas. Back in
76, the Texas State Network sent out a notice that they no longer wanted stories on single
or double fatality accidents because there were just too many out on the roads every
night.

You did try to avoid hitting the vultures, however, because they could come through your
windshield with fatal results for both you and the bird. They could also tear up your car
pretty well.

Sad story, typical of backwoods driving. 

rsl

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those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
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I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
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tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Texas A & M tragedy

He was a back-up offensive lineman, but apparently very popular with his teammates and
really respected by the recently-ousted Head Coach, Mike Sherman.  A very sad footnote to
the game that is now 8 days away.  One wonders how the A & M players will absorb this
latest blow, just weeks after Coach Sherman was shown the door.
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Yes sad story, that bird was a long way from home as there are no buzzards  
in North America, it was probably a vulture, he should have run it  over.
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Dec 23 16:21:48 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 22:21:48 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <1357237441-1324678910-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-41381954-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Article in today's NYT (sorry I can't attach a link) talking about the increased recruitment ability of the Ivies through financial aid. They mention some kids now turn down NU (among others) to attend an Ivy due to new found flexibility in scholarship money.   

Harvard's #25 ranking in hoops seems to have helped precipitate the article

While this may be new I was told by multiple sources  that Dick Jauron (High School Class of 1969) chose Yale over Harvard due to more "need" in Yale's formula than Harvard's.  At some point subsequent to 1969, the Ivies supposedly went to a standard evaluation need process that determined the same figure for all 9 schools (including MIT) for any kid's ability to pay 
Harry
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Dec 24 07:10:05 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:10:05 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
References: <000f01ccc121$4e151db0$ea3f5910$@com>
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This may be the best basketball team in NU history.  Crawford has come to 
play, Shurna is Shurna, Hearn has been a surprise, and Sobolewski came out 
of the chute playing solid basketball.  Cobb and Marotullio, though, need to 
get their court legs back to lengthen the bench.

Unfortunately, the talent still isn't good enough for us to feel sanguine 
about making the Big Dance.  I believe the best we can realistically hope 
for is another NIT with a shot at going deep into the tournament.  We'll 
likely pull some upsets during the regular season and lose some we should 
win.  We probably prevail if the threes are dropping and likely lose if 
they're not.  In other words, expect pretty much the same ol' same ol' with 
an extra win or two.  The principle problem is an old one:  put-backs and 
ones-and-done will remain events the opposition enjoys.  Mirkovic has 
obviously worked hard on his game and is playing the best ball of his life, 
but he cannot hold up against the league's better front lines.

While we have the best opportunity of making the NCAAs since I matriculated 
218.5 years ago, I'm afraid it still isn't enough this year. 


From marks83588 at aol.com  Sat Dec 24 07:27:33 2011
From: marks83588 at aol.com (marks83588 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:27:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
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Best team in NU history? It isn't even the best in my lifetime. I think the '82-'83 team coached by Rich Falk was the best. Jim Stack, Art Aaron, Andre Goode, Gaddis Rathel and the wonderful PG Michael Jenkins.......THREE 1,000 point career scorers on that team.......played home games in DePaul's Alumni Hall, great atmosphere for hoops. Beat ND on St. Patrick's day in the NIT, and lost a heaertbreaker to DePaul in the second round. It was the first time EVER that NU made a post-season tournament, so quite an accomplishment This was the only team I have seen that had quality starters across the board. Plus, they could play defense, something Carmondy never figured out in his tenure.

A big gap between that team and the current version IMHO!



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This may be the best basketball team in NU history.  Crawford has come to 
lay, Shurna is Shurna, Hearn has been a surprise, and Sobolewski came out 
f the chute playing solid basketball.  Cobb and Marotullio, though, need to 
et their court legs back to lengthen the bench.
Unfortunately, the talent still isn't good enough for us to feel sanguine 
bout making the Big Dance.  I believe the best we can realistically hope 
or is another NIT with a shot at going deep into the tournament.  We'll 
ikely pull some upsets during the regular season and lose some we should 
in.  We probably prevail if the threes are dropping and likely lose if 
hey're not.  In other words, expect pretty much the same ol' same ol' with 
n extra win or two.  The principle problem is an old one:  put-backs and 
nes-and-done will remain events the opposition enjoys.  Mirkovic has 
bviously worked hard on his game and is playing the best ball of his life, 
ut he cannot hold up against the league's better front lines.
While we have the best opportunity of making the NCAAs since I matriculated 
18.5 years ago, I'm afraid it still isn't enough this year. 
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Dec 24 07:59:21 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:59:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
Message-ID: <a9a4.147da95c.3c2734b9@aol.com>

I will go to my grave thinking the DePaul shot was after the buzzer. And I  
think we are going to the dance unless there is a bad injury. Happy  
holidays

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Dec 24 07:59:54 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:59:54 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
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The first couple of years BC was at NU, all he talked about was getting some shooters to
make the team more competitive. With Shurna and Crawford (and originally Juice and Coble)
he's done that.

But he's never been able to find that dominating center who can plug up the middle and
step out and hit 3's. We've had a couple of guys during BC's tenure who have started to
come close to the model, but Luka is up and down, usually when the other team has a top
flight center.

What really bothered me about the Creighton game was that Sobo disappeared from the box
score until the last few minutes. I had to watch on the computer (ESPN3) and the picture
was so fuzzy it was hard to tell who was who, but while Sobo brought the team up ok, it
seemed that he never was able to get himself open facing the basket.

Cobb is the guy who really has to step up now. Being sidelined most of November definitely
has affected his play - now that he's getting minutes, maybe he comes out of his funk and
really starts to play. 

But I'm worried about the Big 10 season right now. We can handle the little guys, it?s the
league that has my concern.

Go Cats!

rsl

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  Senior League Softball World Series
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
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Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
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------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
marks83588 at aol.com
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:28 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU prognosis


Best team in NU history? It isn't even the best in my lifetime. I think the '82-'83 team
coached by Rich Falk was the best. Jim Stack, Art Aaron, Andre Goode, Gaddis Rathel and
the wonderful PG Michael Jenkins.......THREE 1,000 point career scorers on that
team.......played home games in DePaul's Alumni Hall, great atmosphere for hoops. Beat ND
on St. Patrick's day in the NIT, and lost a heaertbreaker to DePaul in the second round.
It was the first time EVER that NU made a post-season tournament, so quite an
accomplishment This was the only team I have seen that had quality starters across the
board. Plus, they could play defense, something Carmondy never figured out in his tenure.

A big gap between that team and the current version IMHO!



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 24, 2011 8:10 am
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis


This may be the best basketball team in NU history.  Crawford has come to 
lay, Shurna is Shurna, Hearn has been a surprise, and Sobolewski came out 
f the chute playing solid basketball.  Cobb and Marotullio, though, need to 
et their court legs back to lengthen the bench.
Unfortunately, the talent still isn't good enough for us to feel sanguine 
bout making the Big Dance.  I believe the best we can realistically hope 
or is another NIT with a shot at going deep into the tournament.  We'll 
ikely pull some upsets during the regular season and lose some we should 
in.  We probably prevail if the threes are dropping and likely lose if 
hey're not.  In other words, expect pretty much the same ol' same ol' with 
n extra win or two.  The principle problem is an old one:  put-backs and 
nes-and-done will remain events the opposition enjoys.  Mirkovic has 
bviously worked hard on his game and is playing the best ball of his life, 
ut he cannot hold up against the league's better front lines.
While we have the best opportunity of making the NCAAs since I matriculated 
18.5 years ago, I'm afraid it still isn't enough this year. 
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Dec 24 08:11:57 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:11:57 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
In-Reply-To: <8CE9056ED519F56-11B8-1489B@webmail-m173.sysops.aol.com>
References: <000f01ccc121$4e151db0$ea3f5910$@com>
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Living a few blocks from Alumni Hall on Belden Ave, I went to several of our"home " games that year  and being the first decent team we had in a long time, I and I'm sure the Cat faithful really enjoyed the year and will never forget it. Our biggest problem was we didn't win any BT road games going 0-9 while 7-2 at home. (Losing to Indy and Iowa)  

Because of  the expanded entrants this year , I think we will squeak in to the dance though still might not be as good as the 82-83 team.  (I believe only 48 teams went back then in the year of Jimmy Volvano's miracle NC State's Wolfpack upset of Houston's Phi Slamma Jamma).  We have played pretty well so far  and while lacking the upfront heft, we have improved quite a bit on that front. BC will need to manage the games around our backcourt strength and our shooters will need to come through.  I would expect a first round loss, but will be happy with the invite and hope that Dennis will enjoy eating crow. ( I have had to do the same with my pessimistic pre season football predictions in some years past)

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: marks83588 at aol.com
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Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:27:33 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU prognosis


Best team in NU history? It isn't even the best in my lifetime. I think the '82-'83 team coached by Rich Falk was the best. Jim Stack, Art Aaron, Andre Goode, Gaddis Rathel and the wonderful PG Michael Jenkins.......THREE 1,000 point career scorers on that team.......played home games in DePaul's Alumni Hall, great atmosphere for hoops. Beat ND on St. Patrick's day in the NIT, and lost a heaertbreaker to DePaul in the second round. It was the first time EVER that NU made a post-season tournament, so quite an accomplishment This was the only team I have seen that had quality starters across the board. Plus, they could play defense, something Carmondy never figured out in his tenure.

A big gap between that team and the current version IMHO!



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 24, 2011 8:10 am
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis


This may be the best basketball team in NU history.  Crawford has come to 
lay, Shurna is Shurna, Hearn has been a surprise, and Sobolewski came out 
f the chute playing solid basketball.  Cobb and Marotullio, though, need to 
et their court legs back to lengthen the bench.
Unfortunately, the talent still isn't good enough for us to feel sanguine 
bout making the Big Dance.  I believe the best we can realistically hope 
or is another NIT with a shot at going deep into the tournament.  We'll 
ikely pull some upsets during the regular season and lose some we should 
in.  We probably prevail if the threes are dropping and likely lose if 
hey're not.  In other words, expect pretty much the same ol' same ol' with 
n extra win or two.  The principle problem is an old one:  put-backs and 
nes-and-done will remain events the opposition enjoys.  Mirkovic has 
bviously worked hard on his game and is playing the best ball of his life, 
ut he cannot hold up against the league's better front lines.
While we have the best opportunity of making the NCAAs since I matriculated 
18.5 years ago, I'm afraid it still isn't enough this year. 
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 08:35:36 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 14:35:36 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Same old basketball
Message-ID: <2119936066-1324737337-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1197599950-@b25.c29.bise6.blackberry>

Beats chumps, can't beat top teams, helpless on road, can't rebound, way too many second and third shots surrendered  .. 17 wins, loss at Penn State, second-round NIT exit. Sigh. 

And that is before the killer season-ending injury which NU has avoided so far but ...

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 24 13:06:42 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 11:06:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Bad news for the B(C)S ...
Message-ID: <1324753602.5544.YahooMailNeo@web121704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Got an e-mail yesterday from the Cardinals' stadium letting me know that plenty of lower-bowl tickets were available for the Fiesta Bowl.

Uh oh. You mean to tell me that the #3 vs. #4 team in the nation can't sell out a bowl? Anyone wanna guess how many empty seats will be in Miami this year for the Orange Bowl? Probably fewer than last year ... but still, the Fiesta was the one bowl that had made out well (a bit too well, according to the recent financial scandal here with the bowl) in the B(C)S system. Now even a game between #3 and #4 is a tough sell?

Hmm ...

- Higher ratings? Nope. Ratings were down around 10% last year
- Better attendance? Nope. Again, look at any Orange Bowl the past decade and count the empty seats ... only two bowls have topped 30,000 in attendance so far
- Tradition? Nope. There have been more Rose Bowls with teams from Texas, Oklahoma, Florida and Nebraska in the past decade than a true Big Ten/Pac 10 champions match.
- Meaningful regular season? Apparently not when Alabama and LSU face.

So ... why are we propping up this glut of welfare bowls (did anyone really watch that 6-6 MAC team vs. that 6-6 CUSA team last week?) and supporting this system again?????????? Why must such an amazing sport always end its season with a big lump of coal???

Merry Christmas to all (except the B(C)S idiots), and to all a good night! :)
- SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 25 01:02:33 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 23:02:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Same old basketball
In-Reply-To: <000601ccc283$d6bb1170$84313450$@net>
References: <1212023798-1324741526-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1650648837-@b25.c29.bise6.blackberry>
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Message-ID: <1324796553.74424.YahooMailNeo@web114716.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Well, no offense was intended Gene though obviously some was taken, but my point was that to be a NCAA team NU has to be the kind of team that can win tough road games and right now I don't see NU being able to do so. Since it is highly unlikely NU goes unbeaten at home -- at least one 10-point or more lead will be coughed up at Welsh-Ryan -- NU needs to an upset or two on the road and this teams shows no evidence of being able to do so. 
I agree LSU (especially) was a nice win, but NU needs several more such and quality road wins do impress the NCAA committee when a team sits on the bubble.

Thanks for the hearty good wishes. I did have a great day, not just exchanging emails with you, of course (though that was no small part of it), but celebrating the festive season with friends and family and hoping every minute for a late Christmas present on Dec. 31 from Houston. Merry Christmas to all in purple everywhere!!!

Brad Wilson



If the criterion for a big ten team to go to the ncaa tournament is to beat

Wisconsin on the road then virtually no big ten team would go since Wiscy
loses about 1 conference game a year at home.? I believe we beat MSU on the
road a few years ago and that did not do the trick.? Based on the wins
below, if we break even, win one game in the big ten tournament we are in.
You have a great day.

-----Original Message-----
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com [mailto:bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 9:45 AM
To: gtopper at strategicresearchpartners.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Same old basketball

None of whom are equal to a top-shelf or even mid-level big ten team and
they were on neutral courts. When this team beats MSU or Illinois or
Wisconsin on the road we can talk NCAAs. Not before. 

Bw
------Original Message------
From: Gene Topper
To: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
ReplyTo: gtopper at strategicresearchpartners.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Same old basketball
Sent: Dec 24, 2011 10:39

yah, chumps like Tulsa, LSU, Seton Hall...real chumps.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
Behalf Of bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 8:36 AM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Same old basketball

Beats chumps, can't beat top teams, helpless on road, can't rebound, way too
many second and third shots surrendered? .. 17 wins, loss at Penn State,
second-round NIT exit. Sigh. 

And that is before the killer season-ending injury which NU has avoided so
far but ...

Brad Wilson
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 25 19:42:15 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:42:15 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
Message-ID: <8414525.1324863735818.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Best team in NU history was in 1931. National champions - it doesn't get any better than that!

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
>Sent: Dec 24, 2011 5:10 AM
>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
>
>This may be the best basketball team in NU history.  


From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Dec 25 20:18:08 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 02:18:08 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
Message-ID: <491617105-1324865732-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1785046067-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

What was their RPI?
------Original Message------
From: Jim Bendat
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: Jim Bendat
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
Sent: Dec 25, 2011 8:42 PM

Best team in NU history was in 1931. National champions - it doesn't get any better than that!

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
>Sent: Dec 24, 2011 5:10 AM
>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
>
>This may be the best basketball team in NU history.  

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Dec 25 21:02:22 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 22:02:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
Message-ID: <52ac.62cdac36.3c293dbe@aol.com>

those  Fighting Methodists. were some  fierce

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Dec 25 22:08:31 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 23:08:31 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
In-Reply-To: <52ac.62cdac36.3c293dbe@aol.com>
References: <52ac.62cdac36.3c293dbe@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001201ccc384$089629e0$19c27da0$@com>

Peach Baskets, and little guys who could shoot. A far cry from today's game, that's for
sure.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
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Weather in Seaford: 
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-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of
MHRJGScott at aol.com
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 10:02 PM
To: thehaze at earthlink.net; nwu-sports at tssi.com
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those  Fighting Methodists. were some  fierce
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Dec 26 05:09:45 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 06:09:45 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
References: <8414525.1324863735818.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <ECB8BCCF28064C6D87CA8668927E3048@dennismachine>

Masters of the two-hand set shot.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Bendat" <thehaze at earthlink.net>
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU prognosis


> Best team in NU history was in 1931. National champions - it doesn't get 
> any better than that!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
>>Sent: Dec 24, 2011 5:10 AM
>>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
>>
>>This may be the best basketball team in NU history.
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Dec 26 07:57:38 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 08:57:38 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
In-Reply-To: <ECB8BCCF28064C6D87CA8668927E3048@dennismachine>
References: <8414525.1324863735818.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
 <ECB8BCCF28064C6D87CA8668927E3048@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <001901ccc3d6$5490b890$fdb229b0$@com>

And the underhanded free throw.

(and I didn't even follow basketball until the 70's)

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Weather in Seaford: 
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League 
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to 
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  = 
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do, 
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please, 
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis
W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 6:10 AM
To: Jim Bendat; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU prognosis

Masters of the two-hand set shot.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Bendat" <thehaze at earthlink.net>
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2011 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU prognosis


> Best team in NU history was in 1931. National champions - it doesn't get 
> any better than that!
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
>>Sent: Dec 24, 2011 5:10 AM
>>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
>>
>>This may be the best basketball team in NU history.
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Dec 26 09:31:55 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 10:31:55 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
References: <8414525.1324863735818.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
 <ECB8BCCF28064C6D87CA8668927E3048@dennismachine>
 <001901ccc3d6$5490b890$fdb229b0$@com>
Message-ID: <7D9726D9FEFA4F58B6EE9407446DB5F6@dennismachine>

Until Mark Price and Steve Nash surpassed him, the best free throw 
percentage in the history of the NBA (90%) was owned by Rick Barry, and he 
threw them all up underhanded.  Wilt Chamberlain tried that technique and 
half-dozen others, but nothing ever worked.  Had he been able to get the 
free throws to drop, Michael Jordan would not have caught him in points 
scored.  The most astonishing thing about Wilt's 100 point game in Hershey, 
Pennsylvania, was not the 100 points but that he was 28 for 32 from the foul 
line that night.  His career free throw percentage barely reached 50%.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
To: "'Dennis W. Brandt'" <tbng at comcast.net>; "'Jim Bendat'" 
<thehaze at earthlink.net>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU prognosis


And the underhanded free throw.

(and I didn't even follow basketball until the 70's)

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
Coach Roy's Random Thoughts - http://coachroy.org
Weather in Seaford:
http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=19973
-------------------- Also ----------------------
"Commissioner" Delaware American Legion Baseball
Director Media Relations - Little League
  Senior League Softball World Series
CTR2 USN (67-70) - CTRCS USNR (Ret) (64-67/70-95)
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
================================================
Opinions expressed above are mine alone and are not
those of any organizations of which I am a member.
------------------------------------------------
The democracy will cease to exist when you take away
from those who are willing to work and give it to
those who are not -- Thomas Jefferson
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
I don't always drink imported beer, but when I do,
I prefer Dos Equis -- The most interesting man in DE
=  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =  =
If we become a country in which we say, 'Please,
tell me how to live,' We're Doomed!"
                   -- Pete Hamill, "Prohibition"
==========  Go Cats - Beat 'em All  ===========



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis
W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2011 6:10 AM
To: Jim Bendat; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU prognosis

Masters of the two-hand set shot.

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU prognosis


> Best team in NU history was in 1931. National champions - it doesn't get
> any better than that!
>
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>>Sent: Dec 24, 2011 5:10 AM
>>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>>Subject: [NU Sports] NU prognosis
>>
>>This may be the best basketball team in NU history.
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Dec 27 15:53:25 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 21:53:25 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Little Caesar Bowl
Message-ID: <2133141858-1325022806-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1362601256-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

So far WMU is giving Boise State a good run for the money with 2 trick plays for a TD and 2 point conversion to take an early lead over Purdue

While NU hasn't won a bowl game in 63 years, WMU has never been ahead in all of theirs until now

Harry
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From pskinas at aol.com  Tue Dec 27 18:38:43 2011
From: pskinas at aol.com (Pskinas)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:38:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <8CE93102F9885A5-19DC-25E8A@webmail-d095.sysops.aol.com>

Hi! I glad to see you online!
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From nolan at tssi.com  Tue Dec 27 19:40:05 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:40:05 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Little Caesar Bowl
In-Reply-To: <2133141858-1325022806-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1362601256-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
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> So far WMU is giving Boise State a good run for the money with 2 trick plays for a TD and 2 point conversion to take an early lead over Purdue

I think Purdue won the trick play game, with TWO successful on-sides
kick attempts in the first half.  You could watch a lot of football and
not see two successful on-sides kicks, much less two in the first half!

Purdue starts the Big Ten off the right way with a bowl win.
--
Mike


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Dec 27 21:42:02 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 22:42:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] any chance
Message-ID: <3cc7.54a09161.3c2bea0a@aol.com>

we beat dOSU tomorrow night on BTN

From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Dec 28 13:31:11 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:31:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten/Pac-12 annual tieup
Message-ID: <20111228193111.B576F650B4@romaine.tssi.com>

The Big Ten and Pac-12 have announced plans to have annual games between
schools in the two conferences, starting in around 2017.

Details are still to be worked out, such as how they choose who plays whom,
but I'm not excited by the prospect, as it further ties the scheduling hands 
of the individual schools, and might actually lead to FEWER games between
Big Ten and Pac-12 schools.  

With a 9 game conference schedule in the works (2015?) plus an annual
game for each Big Ten school with a Pac-12 school, SEC and Big Twelve
schools (at least the good ones) are likely to disappear from Big Ten 
school schedules except during bowl season.

Unless they set it up so that the strong schools in the conferences never
play each other (which would be a bigger mistake IMHO), this also increases 
the possibility that the Rose Bowl could be a rematch. 
--
Mike Nolan


From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 28 14:02:04 2011
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:02:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] B1G Ten-PAC 12 collaboration
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1325095202.9960.nwu-sports@tssi.com>
References: <mailman.5.1325095202.9960.nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1325102524.34591.YahooMailNeo@web161503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Posting from digest so unsure if this has hit the board yet

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7393687/partnership-pac-12-big-ten-benefits-expansion-legal-mess?


Go 'Cats!
Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey at yahoo.com


From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Wed Dec 28 14:07:47 2011
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 13:07:47 -0700
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten/Pac-12 annual tieup
In-Reply-To: <20111228193111.B576F650B4@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111228193111.B576F650B4@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <000f01ccc59c$5e8f4740$1badd5c0$@warnerpatents.com>

IMHO, this is fantastic.  

A football "challenge" early in the season will create greater interest from
the western states in The Big Ten throughout the regular season (and greater
interest from the rust-belt states in the Pac-12) leading up to the Rose
Bowl.  It will also be one less lousy cupcake opponent that the Cats (and
other Big Ten and Pac-12 schools) can put on their schedule that I have no
interest in going to or watching.  

I think that it also signals that the demise of the BCS is coming.  The Big
Ten and Pac-12 wouldn't be doing this if they had a big concern about
qualifying one or more of their respective schools for BCS games with
cupcake games.  The Rose Bowl will likely contract with The Big Ten and
Pac-12 to lock in the champions for that bowl.  (If a champion is called-off
to some sort of national championship game, the runner-up (loser of
championship game or by formula) can go to the Rose Bowl instead.  (Big Ten
runner-ups went sometimes went in the 40s-early 70s when there was the rule
that a team couldn't go two years in a row to the Rose Bowl.  I think that's
how the Cats got into their first Rose Bowl.)  The Rose will still sell-out.

In fact, I'd like it if The Big Ten and Pac-12 lined-up their bowl games to
play each other at the end of the season, starting with the 6th place
match-up (by formula) leading up to the Rose.  Those bowl games could be
played predominantly in the Pac-10 states, while the "challenge" games at
the beginning of the season could be played in Big Ten venues - economically
benefitting The Big Ten and Pac-12 states.

I could care less about playing SEC or Big 12 schools.  I don't watch them
during the regular season and pay little attention to them during the bowl
season.

Peter Warner

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:31 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten/Pac-12 annual tieup

The Big Ten and Pac-12 have announced plans to have annual games between
schools in the two conferences, starting in around 2017.

Details are still to be worked out, such as how they choose who plays whom,
but I'm not excited by the prospect, as it further ties the scheduling hands
of the individual schools, and might actually lead to FEWER games between
Big Ten and Pac-12 schools.  

With a 9 game conference schedule in the works (2015?) plus an annual game
for each Big Ten school with a Pac-12 school, SEC and Big Twelve schools (at
least the good ones) are likely to disappear from Big Ten school schedules
except during bowl season.

Unless they set it up so that the strong schools in the conferences never
play each other (which would be a bigger mistake IMHO), this also increases
the possibility that the Rose Bowl could be a rematch. 
--
Mike Nolan

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From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Dec 28 14:22:18 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:22:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] B1G Ten-PAC 12 collaboration
In-Reply-To: <1325102524.34591.YahooMailNeo@web161503.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111228202218.6084F64C18@romaine.tssi.com>

> Posting from digest so unsure if this has hit the board yet

I beat you to it by a few minutes. :-)
 
> http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7393687/partnership-pac-12-big-ten-benefits-expansion-legal-mess

It appears based on some other reports that this may be in lieu of expanding 
the Big Ten conference football schedule to 9 games, and it involves other 
sports (which could be a good thing, especially for Northwestern) but so 
far I don't see anything on the Big Ten website about it.  (Their website 
drives me nuts.)

BTW, did people see the story during the bowl game yesterday about the kid
who is getting scholarship offers?  The first two schools his mother mentioned
were Stanford and Northwestern.  
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Dec 28 14:26:08 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 20:26:08 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] B1G Ten-PAC 12 collaboration
Message-ID: <740183828-1325103972-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1949212543-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

I did see the story. I was half paying attention and heard NU mentioned and perked up.  It was a heartwarming story

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B1G Ten-PAC 12 collaboration
Sent: Dec 28, 2011 12:22 PM

> Posting from digest so unsure if this has hit the board yet

I beat you to it by a few minutes. :-)
 
> http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7393687/partnership-pac-12-big-ten-benefits-expansion-legal-mess

It appears based on some other reports that this may be in lieu of expanding 
the Big Ten conference football schedule to 9 games, and it involves other 
sports (which could be a good thing, especially for Northwestern) but so 
far I don't see anything on the Big Ten website about it.  (Their website 
drives me nuts.)

BTW, did people see the story during the bowl game yesterday about the kid
who is getting scholarship offers?  The first two schools his mother mentioned
were Stanford and Northwestern.  
--
Mike Nolan

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Dec 28 16:24:41 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:24:41 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Ticket needed
Message-ID: <2034674618-1325111094-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1974737012-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Anyone with an extra single ticket in the NU section ?

Harry

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Dec 28 18:30:30 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 00:30:30 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Ticket needed
Message-ID: <845272381-1325118660-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-454764171-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Thanks. I'm all set on a ticket sitting with 2 diehard NU fans from the list

Harry
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To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
ReplyTo: Harry
Subject: [NU Sports] Ticket needed
Sent: Dec 28, 2011 2:24 PM

Anyone with an extra single ticket in the NU section ?

Harry

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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Dec 28 18:49:07 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:49:07 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU hammered
Message-ID: <8527C9E486F84D2CA92654E242E3381F@dennismachine>

Someone asked if we could beat Ohio State.  The answer is "NO!"  That was sad to watch.

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 28 20:07:35 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 18:07:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten/Pac-12 annual tieup
In-Reply-To: <20111228193111.B576F650B4@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111228193111.B576F650B4@romaine.tssi.com>
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I believe Mr. Delany may owe me some royalties on this matter. :)

In any case, this is a TERRIFIC idea - something I've been hoping would happen for years -- and it's a thumb in the eye of the B(C)S as well, so even better!

It gives us some meaningful games in September, helps Pac 12 schools especially with their exposure to national audiences and gives the Big Ten and Pac 12 the dominant story of the first month of the season if they do it right.

As for the SEC and Lil' XII, who cares? It's not like Texas, Oklahoma, LSU or Florida have been regulars on the Big Ten schedule recently. Bama played PSU, but that's about it.

And as for Rose Bowl rematches, I'm not sure there either -- we haven't had many champ vs. champ Rose Bowls in recent years (this year is an exception, not he rule) ... what it could do is give a good Big Ten or Pac 12 team a huge, attention-grabbing win in early September that shoots them up in the polls and propels them into the title game as they'd be playing from ahead in the poll game instead of behind.

I think this is a fantastic idea -- the key is spreading it out. Three games per week and the challenge would dominate the college football world for the first four weeks of the season. Take that, SEC! :)

For example, if we could do this next year, you might see ...

Week 1
Noon: Minnesota @ Oregon State - Not the sexiest of matchups to open the challenge, but two darn good coaches
Afternoon: Arizona State @ Michigan State - Call it the Rodney Dangerfield Bowl with two programs looking for respect
Prime time: Ohio State @ USC - Two great programs, Urban's debut at Heisman frontrunner Barkeley's house -- it doesn't get much better than that!?

Week 2
N: Colorado @ Northwestern - Call it the Barnett Bowl and watch Ralphie try and run around Ryan Field!?
A: Illinois @ California - The Illini travel west again for a matchup of programs looking to step up
PT: Arizona @ Michigan - Rich Rod returns to the Big House to face Brady Hoke's Wolverines in prime time! Awesome!

Week 3
N: Indiana @ Utah - Might be a better matchup if it were Bobby Knight and Rick Majerus, but still fun
A: Washington @ Iowa - Pretty darn good coaching matchup in Kinnick
PT: Nebraska @ Oregon - Two great ground games light up the scoreboard in Autzen Stadium under the lights! Great!

Week 4
N: Washington State @ Purdue - Mike Leach vs. Basketball on Grass? Sounds intriguing to start off the day
A: Penn State @ UCLA - You don't get a much better setting than Pasadena for the new PSU coach's first major test
PT: Stanford @ Wisconsin - Red and white and black & blue all over when these two colossus teams collide in Madtown!

Now tell me - would you even care what other games were going on for Septemeber? :)

The Pac 12/Big Ten challenge - LOVE IT!!!
And PS - DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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________________________________
 From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:31 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten/Pac-12 annual tieup
 
The Big Ten and Pac-12 have announced plans to have annual games between
schools in the two conferences, starting in around 2017.

Details are still to be worked out, such as how they choose who plays whom,
but I'm not excited by the prospect, as it further ties the scheduling hands 
of the individual schools, and might actually lead to FEWER games between
Big Ten and Pac-12 schools.? 

With a 9 game conference schedule in the works (2015?) plus an annual
game for each Big Ten school with a Pac-12 school, SEC and Big Twelve
schools (at least the good ones) are likely to disappear from Big Ten 
school schedules except during bowl season.

Unless they set it up so that the strong schools in the conferences never
play each other (which would be a bigger mistake IMHO), this also increases 
the possibility that the Rose Bowl could be a rematch. 
--
Mike Nolan

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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Wed Dec 28 21:12:06 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:12:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NU hammered
In-Reply-To: <8527C9E486F84D2CA92654E242E3381F@dennismachine>
References: <8527C9E486F84D2CA92654E242E3381F@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <8CE93EEC724D0EB-19A0-2E2A1@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com>


Luckily, I was invited out to dinner with my Brother.  Other than this no-brain observation, what in hell happened?     ek


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng at comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 28, 2011 2:49 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] NU hammered


Someone asked if we could beat Ohio State.  The answer is "NO!"  That was sad to 
watch.
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Dec 28 21:30:19 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 22:30:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NU hammered
Message-ID: <838b.6b6cb8a6.3c2d38cb@aol.com>

what happened was we played a bigger faster quicker team which had a couple 
 10+ point runs and we could not compete with the #2 team in the  nation

From nolan at tssi.com  Wed Dec 28 21:55:45 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:55:45 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NU hammered
In-Reply-To: <838b.6b6cb8a6.3c2d38cb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111229035545.D6FE96538D@romaine.tssi.com>

> what happened was we played a bigger faster quicker team which had a couple 
>  10+ point runs and we could not compete with the #2 team in the  nation

Well, maybe we can beat Nebraska in Evanston on Feb 2nd.  They looked
pretty bad against #11 Wisconsin at home earlier this week, losing 64-40,
and have to play them again in Madison in 3 weeks.  
--
Mike Nolan


From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Dec 29 07:51:59 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 08:51:59 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] NU hammered
References: <838b.6b6cb8a6.3c2d38cb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <25698BC7F71745FAB04D96CAE7360CAF@dennismachine>

<what happened was we played a bigger faster quicker team which had a couple 10+ point runs and we could not compete with the #2 team in the nation

Shurna and Crawford both were stymied throughout the game, although I admit I could not watch the last twelve minutes of the debacle.  There is no question that Ohio State is a far superior basketball team in every regard.  I've seen the look on the Northwestern players' faces before - the last time a white-tailed deer stood on the highway staring straight at me.

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 09:38:01 2011
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:38:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] NU hammered
In-Reply-To: <25698BC7F71745FAB04D96CAE7360CAF@dennismachine>
References: <838b.6b6cb8a6.3c2d38cb@aol.com>
 <25698BC7F71745FAB04D96CAE7360CAF@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <1325173081.19239.YahooMailNeo@web161004.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

I think two things killed the Cats in the first half: absolutely horrible shooting efforts from Shurna and Crawford, and way too many offensive rebounds given up.?

In the first stanza, Shurna and Crawford were a combined 4 of 18, including 1 of 6 from 3 point range. They also had a measly two rebounds between them in that half, no assists, and a couple of turnovers. Brutal.?Throw in nine (!) offensive rebounds for OSU in that first half, and it's a recipe for disaster.?

The other big problem is that no one is filling Juice Thompson's scoring role at this point, so when Shurna and Crawford are both off, the Cats are in deep trouble. It also means teams can focus on shutting down the big two.?

I had hoped that between Cobb and Marcotullio, we would have that third (and maybe fourth) reliable scorer but it's not happening right now, so no one picking up the slack when Crawford and Shurna are struggling.?

I still think we may be OK if Cobb and Marcotullio can both get healthy, but whether that will happen soon enough is a big question.

Tom

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 12:06:06 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 10:06:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] guess I'll get jumped on again
Message-ID: <1325181966.13374.YahooMailNeo@web114714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

but all the OSU game shows is how far NU has to go to become competitive at the Big Ten's top level. Not even close. And alleged NCAA teams can compete with the best on the road. NU looked pitiful, like some low D-I team OSU paid for a rout against.


I do like Sobo at point guard. Nice court awareness and savvy. Need more like him.


Brad Wilson



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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 29 14:58:37 2011
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:58:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten/Pac-12 annual tieup
In-Reply-To: <1325124455.90513.YahooMailNeo@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20111228193111.B576F650B4@romaine.tssi.com>
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Message-ID: <1325192317.37300.YahooMailNeo@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I have to give you credit, Stephen. You suggested this months ago. 
?
I wish we could fast-forward to 2017. This 12 v. 12 football match-up sounds awesome. I hope we get a lock on Stanford as our rival.
?
Jim
 

________________________________
 From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>; "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big Ten/Pac-12 annual tieup
 
I believe Mr. Delany may owe me some royalties on this matter. :)

In any case, this is a TERRIFIC idea - something I've been hoping would happen for years -- and it's a thumb in the eye of the B(C)S as well, so even better!

It gives us some meaningful games in September, helps Pac 12 schools especially with their exposure to national audiences and gives the Big Ten and Pac 12 the dominant story of the first month of the season if they do it right.

As for the SEC and Lil' XII, who cares? It's not like Texas, Oklahoma, LSU or Florida have been regulars on the Big Ten schedule recently. Bama played PSU, but that's about it.

And as for Rose Bowl rematches, I'm not sure there either -- we haven't had many champ vs. champ Rose Bowls in recent years (this year is an exception, not he rule) ... what it could do is give a good Big Ten or Pac 12 team a huge, attention-grabbing win in early September that shoots them up in the polls and propels them into the title game as they'd be playing from ahead in the poll game instead of behind.

I think this is a fantastic idea -- the key is spreading it out. Three games per week and the challenge would dominate the college football world for the first four weeks of the season. Take that, SEC! :)

For example, if we could do this next year, you might see ...

Week 1
Noon: Minnesota @ Oregon State - Not the sexiest of matchups to open the challenge, but two darn good coaches
Afternoon: Arizona State @ Michigan State - Call it the Rodney Dangerfield Bowl with two programs looking for respect
Prime time: Ohio State @ USC - Two great programs, Urban's debut at Heisman frontrunner Barkeley's house -- it doesn't get much better than that!?

Week 2
N: Colorado @ Northwestern - Call it the Barnett Bowl and watch Ralphie try and run around Ryan Field!?
A: Illinois @ California - The Illini travel west again for a matchup of programs looking to step up
PT: Arizona @ Michigan - Rich Rod returns to the Big House to face Brady Hoke's Wolverines in prime time! Awesome!

Week 3
N: Indiana @ Utah - Might be a better matchup if it were Bobby Knight and Rick Majerus, but still fun
A: Washington @ Iowa - Pretty darn good coaching matchup in Kinnick
PT: Nebraska @ Oregon - Two great ground games light up the scoreboard in Autzen Stadium under the lights! Great!

Week 4
N: Washington State @ Purdue - Mike Leach vs. Basketball on Grass? Sounds intriguing to start off the day
A: Penn State @ UCLA - You don't get a much better setting than Pasadena for the new PSU coach's first major test
PT: Stanford @ Wisconsin - Red and white and black & blue all over when these two colossus teams collide in Madtown!

Now tell me - would you even care what other games were going on for Septemeber? :)

The Pac 12/Big Ten challenge - LOVE IT!!!
And PS - DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 12:31 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten/Pac-12 annual tieup

The Big Ten and Pac-12 have announced plans to have annual games between
schools in the two conferences, starting in around 2017.

Details are still to be worked out, such as how they choose who plays whom,
but I'm not excited by the prospect, as it further ties the scheduling hands 
of the individual schools, and might actually lead to FEWER games between
Big Ten and Pac-12 schools.? 

With a 9 game conference schedule in the works (2015?) plus an annual
game for each Big Ten school with a Pac-12 school, SEC and Big Twelve
schools (at least the good ones) are likely to disappear from Big Ten 
school schedules except during bowl season.

Unless they set it up so that the strong schools in the conferences never
play each other (which would be a bigger mistake IMHO), this also increases 
the possibility that the Rose Bowl could be a rematch. 
--
Mike Nolan

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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Thu Dec 29 15:23:29 2011
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric C West)
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:23:29 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten/Pac-12 annual tieup
In-Reply-To: <1325124455.90513.YahooMailNeo@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20111228193111.B576F650B4@romaine.tssi.com>
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Message-ID: <945C0FA6304FAD4EBC3F417287FA98C131E856@evcspmbx4.ads.northwestern.edu>

*Shrug* If I'm being honest, I'm only going to "care" about one of the twelve games listed below, and not because of Colorado. (To be clear: I'll be interested in the other games, just no more than I would any other non-NU college football game.) It's better than a MAC or FCS matchup, but something tells me we (as a conference) will still be scheduling plenty of those. Overall, I'd say it helps the Pac-12 far more than it helps the Big Ten. It certainly won't make any sort of impact on the future existence of the BCS, up or down.

Not that it's a bad idea, but...*shrug*

Eric West
e-west at northwestern.edu


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2011 8:08 PM
To: Mike Nolan; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big Ten/Pac-12 annual tieup

I believe Mr. Delany may owe me some royalties on this matter. :)

In any case, this is a TERRIFIC idea - something I've been hoping would happen for years -- and it's a thumb in the eye of the B(C)S as well, so even better!

It gives us some meaningful games in September, helps Pac 12 schools especially with their exposure to national audiences and gives the Big Ten and Pac 12 the dominant story of the first month of the season if they do it right.

As for the SEC and Lil' XII, who cares? It's not like Texas, Oklahoma, LSU or Florida have been regulars on the Big Ten schedule recently. Bama played PSU, but that's about it.

And as for Rose Bowl rematches, I'm not sure there either -- we haven't had many champ vs. champ Rose Bowls in recent years (this year is an exception, not he rule) ... what it could do is give a good Big Ten or Pac 12 team a huge, attention-grabbing win in early September that shoots them up in the polls and propels them into the title game as they'd be playing from ahead in the poll game instead of behind.

I think this is a fantastic idea -- the key is spreading it out. Three games per week and the challenge would dominate the college football world for the first four weeks of the season. Take that, SEC! :)

For example, if we could do this next year, you might see ...

Week 1
Noon: Minnesota @ Oregon State - Not the sexiest of matchups to open the challenge, but two darn good coaches
Afternoon: Arizona State @ Michigan State - Call it the Rodney Dangerfield Bowl with two programs looking for respect Prime time: Ohio State @ USC - Two great programs, Urban's debut at Heisman frontrunner Barkeley's house -- it doesn't get much better than that!?

Week 2
N: Colorado @ Northwestern - Call it the Barnett Bowl and watch Ralphie try and run around Ryan Field!
A: Illinois @ California - The Illini travel west again for a matchup of programs looking to step up
PT: Arizona @ Michigan - Rich Rod returns to the Big House to face Brady Hoke's Wolverines in prime time! Awesome!

Week 3
N: Indiana @ Utah - Might be a better matchup if it were Bobby Knight and Rick Majerus, but still fun
A: Washington @ Iowa - Pretty darn good coaching matchup in Kinnick
PT: Nebraska @ Oregon - Two great ground games light up the scoreboard in Autzen Stadium under the lights! Great!

Week 4
N: Washington State @ Purdue - Mike Leach vs. Basketball on Grass? Sounds intriguing to start off the day
A: Penn State @ UCLA - You don't get a much better setting than Pasadena for the new PSU coach's first major test
PT: Stanford @ Wisconsin - Red and white and black & blue all over when these two colossus teams collide in Madtown!

Now tell me - would you even care what other games were going on for Septemeber? :)

The Pac 12/Big Ten challenge - LOVE IT!!!
And PS - DEATH TO THE B(C)S!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * STEPHEN J. TRUOG sjtruog at yahoo.com GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________


From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Dec 29 23:25:04 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 00:25:04 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Alphabet
Message-ID: <1D4C39B597604F679B7B19859656CCAA@dennismachine>

It is clear that students at Washington and Baylor use a twenty-five letter alphabet.  No "D."  

Don't go to the kitchen for a beer.  You'll miss three scores.

From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Dec 30 22:44:06 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:44:06 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
Message-ID: <8CE958DF691E9B2-EE0-1D3B7@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>


Hey Listers,

Is anybody out there?  Where are all of the emails I was expecting to read on the eve of our big bowl game?   It has been so quiet I thought maybe I was somehow thrown off of the List.

I have no prediction to make, other than to say that I would love to see us get off to a good start for a change in a bowl game.  Other than the Sun Bowl vs. UCLA and the Alamo Bowl vs. Mizzou, I can't remember us breaking in front.  Usually we get down by at least 2 TD's before we remember why we are there.  I know that A & M ihas proved to be a first-half terror, second-half dog this year, but I would hate to count on a late comeback against a team that, at least on paper, seems to have a decided edge in talent and probably depth.  

We need a big game tomorrow out of our Special Teamers, especially Venric Mark, as field position will be very important.  If Danny P. has a short field to work with, he will put a lot of points up, and it will ease the pressure on our running attack.

I will be watching the game at our traditional NYC suburban gathering at Buffalo Wild Wings in Stamford, CT.  The University has taken our email "invitation" and extended it to incoming freshmen recently accepted as "Early Decision" candidates.  I am "hosting" the event, pinch-hitting for Ken Monroe, who has done a superb job building our group to an established gig, and who will be in Chicago for the game.   I am looking forward to teaching the new kids "Go U Northwestern", which, of course, we sing after every 'Cat score (lubricated with "Purple Shots" to celebrate).  Hopefully, those of you in Houston we hear our voices raised in song throughout the day.  Please root them home.  It's time to end the drought.

Go 'Cats!  And Happy New Year (which it will especially be, if there is a Purple celebration when the Fourth Quarter ends).

Paul Levinson

From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Dec 30 22:45:17 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 04:45:17 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
In-Reply-To: <8CE958DF691E9B2-EE0-1D3B7@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE958DF691E9B2-EE0-1D3B7@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1576949772-1325306718-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1392821997-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

We are all partying like its 1949

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:44:06 
To: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl


Hey Listers,

Is anybody out there?  Where are all of the emails I was expecting to read on the eve of our big bowl game?   It has been so quiet I thought maybe I was somehow thrown off of the List.

I have no prediction to make, other than to say that I would love to see us get off to a good start for a change in a bowl game.  Other than the Sun Bowl vs. UCLA and the Alamo Bowl vs. Mizzou, I can't remember us breaking in front.  Usually we get down by at least 2 TD's before we remember why we are there.  I know that A & M ihas proved to be a first-half terror, second-half dog this year, but I would hate to count on a late comeback against a team that, at least on paper, seems to have a decided edge in talent and probably depth.  

We need a big game tomorrow out of our Special Teamers, especially Venric Mark, as field position will be very important.  If Danny P. has a short field to work with, he will put a lot of points up, and it will ease the pressure on our running attack.

I will be watching the game at our traditional NYC suburban gathering at Buffalo Wild Wings in Stamford, CT.  The University has taken our email "invitation" and extended it to incoming freshmen recently accepted as "Early Decision" candidates.  I am "hosting" the event, pinch-hitting for Ken Monroe, who has done a superb job building our group to an established gig, and who will be in Chicago for the game.   I am looking forward to teaching the new kids "Go U Northwestern", which, of course, we sing after every 'Cat score (lubricated with "Purple Shots" to celebrate).  Hopefully, those of you in Houston we hear our voices raised in song throughout the day.  Please root them home.  It's time to end the drought.

Go 'Cats!  And Happy New Year (which it will especially be, if there is a Purple celebration when the Fourth Quarter ends).

Paul Levinson
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Dec 30 22:50:38 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:50:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
In-Reply-To: <1576949772-1325306718-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1392821997-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <8CE958DF691E9B2-EE0-1D3B7@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <8CE958EDFDF0E6B-EE0-1D435@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>


Glad to hear it, and good to hear from you, Harry.  Remember, guys (and gals), it's an early game--so don't party too much or too late.:-)

Forgive me Coach Roy and others who lean right politically, but I can't get Rick Perry out of my mind whenever I see the "ATM" logo.   It gives me a little added incentive to want to crush the Aggies tomorrow.    I want to shut the former "Yell Leader's" yap once and for all.  By the way, why is it that A & M calls their cheerleaders "Yell Leaders" when the rest of the civilized world doesn't?

It is time for Fitz and his "Young Men" to have their "One Shining Moment" (Oops, dreaming about going to "the Dance" again:-)).

Go U NU!



-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>; nwu-sports-bounces <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; nwu-sports <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2011 11:45 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl


We are all partying like its 1949
Harry
ent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
rom: neonrye at aol.com
ender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
ate: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:44:06 
o: <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
ubject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

ey Listers,
Is anybody out there?  Where are all of the emails I was expecting to read on 
he eve of our big bowl game?   It has been so quiet I thought maybe I was 
omehow thrown off of the List.
I have no prediction to make, other than to say that I would love to see us get 
ff to a good start for a change in a bowl game.  Other than the Sun Bowl vs. 
CLA and the Alamo Bowl vs. Mizzou, I can't remember us breaking in front.  
sually we get down by at least 2 TD's before we remember why we are there.  I 
now that A & M ihas proved to be a first-half terror, second-half dog this 
ear, but I would hate to count on a late comeback against a team that, at least 
n paper, seems to have a decided edge in talent and probably depth.  
We need a big game tomorrow out of our Special Teamers, especially Venric Mark, 
s field position will be very important.  If Danny P. has a short field to work 
ith, he will put a lot of points up, and it will ease the pressure on our 
unning attack.
I will be watching the game at our traditional NYC suburban gathering at Buffalo 
ild Wings in Stamford, CT.  The University has taken our email "invitation" and 
xtended it to incoming freshmen recently accepted as "Early Decision" 
andidates.  I am "hosting" the event, pinch-hitting for Ken Monroe, who has 
one a superb job building our group to an established gig, and who will be in 
hicago for the game.   I am looking forward to teaching the new kids "Go U 
orthwestern", which, of course, we sing after every 'Cat score (lubricated with 
Purple Shots" to celebrate).  Hopefully, those of you in Houston we hear our 
oices raised in song throughout the day.  Please root them home.  It's time to 
nd the drought.
Go 'Cats!  And Happy New Year (which it will especially be, if there is a Purple 
elebration when the Fourth Quarter ends).
Paul Levinson
______________________________________________
wu-sports site list
wu-sports at tssi.com
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From nolan at tssi.com  Fri Dec 30 23:43:59 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:43:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
In-Reply-To: <8CE958DF691E9B2-EE0-1D3B7@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20111231054359.D360764C84@romaine.tssi.com>

> Is anybody out there?  Where are all of the emails I was expecting to read on the eve of our big bowl game?   It has been so quiet I thought maybe I was somehow thrown off of the List.

Nearly every expert is predicting NU to lose, most by a touchdown or so.
This game may come down to who wants it more, and which team's defense
shows up to play.
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Dec 30 23:45:49 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:45:49 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
Message-ID: <2049915906-1325310350-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1036494030-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Or which team can protect their QB better


Harry
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: neonrye at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
Sent: Dec 30, 2011 11:43 PM

> Is anybody out there?  Where are all of the emails I was expecting to read on the eve of our big bowl game?   It has been so quiet I thought maybe I was somehow thrown off of the List.

Nearly every expert is predicting NU to lose, most by a touchdown or so.
This game may come down to who wants it more, and which team's defense
shows up to play.
--
Mike Nolan

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Dec 31 07:08:14 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:08:14 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
In-Reply-To: <8CE958EDFDF0E6B-EE0-1D435@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE958DF691E9B2-EE0-1D3B7@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <9f15d642-39d9-42fa-af76-e6044a5b0a29@blur>

For the record, I am not a big supporter of Mr Perry.

But I do know some former Agro-Americans and outside of football they are  
reasonable people. Remember they have to live with a record og being able to  
beat everybody but Texas...

Like our thing with dOSU

Go Cats

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone



From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 09:28:40 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:28:40 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
In-Reply-To: <9f15d642-39d9-42fa-af76-e6044a5b0a29@blur>
References: <8CE958DF691E9B2-EE0-1D3B7@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
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 <9f15d642-39d9-42fa-af76-e6044a5b0a29@blur>
Message-ID: <1311722039-1325345154-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-335104739-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Fair enough, Coach Roy.  Sorry for the inference.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "rstetson at capps-assoc.com"<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:08:14 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

For the record, I am not a big supporter of Mr Perry.

But I do know some former Agro-Americans and outside of football they are  
reasonable people. Remember they have to live with a record og being able to  
beat everybody but Texas...

Like our thing with dOSU

Go Cats

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone




From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 09:53:35 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:53:35 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
In-Reply-To: <1311722039-1325345154-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-335104739-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <8CE958DF691E9B2-EE0-1D3B7@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
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 <9f15d642-39d9-42fa-af76-e6044a5b0a29@blur>
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Phillips just mentioned that 69 out of the  85 players have above a 3.0

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:28:40 
To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: neonrye at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

Fair enough, Coach Roy.  Sorry for the inference.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "rstetson at capps-assoc.com"<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:08:14 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

For the record, I am not a big supporter of Mr Perry.

But I do know some former Agro-Americans and outside of football they are  
reasonable people. Remember they have to live with a record og being able to  
beat everybody but Texas...

Like our thing with dOSU

Go Cats

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone




From khaderach at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 31 09:53:41 2011
From: khaderach at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Bowser)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:53:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl
In-Reply-To: <1311722039-1325345154-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-335104739-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <8CE958DF691E9B2-EE0-1D3B7@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
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 <8CE958EDFDF0E6B-EE0-1D435@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
 <9f15d642-39d9-42fa-af76-e6044a5b0a29@blur>
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Message-ID: <1325346821.38072.YahooMailRC@web80807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My five year old son woke up this morning and immediately shouted out 
"Northwestern is going to win today because Texas A&M cannot stop Dan Persa!!" 
Out of the mouths of babes...

Let's Go Cats!!!

- Bryan


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From: "neonrye at aol.com" <neonrye at aol.com>
To: "rstetson at capps-assoc.com" <rstetson at capps-assoc.com>; hakirsch at aol.com; 
nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Sat, December 31, 2011 9:28:40 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

Fair enough, Coach Roy.  Sorry for the inference.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "rstetson at capps-assoc.com"<rstetson at capps-assoc.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:08:14 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; <hakirsch at aol.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>; 
<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl

For the record, I am not a big supporter of Mr Perry.

But I do know some former Agro-Americans and outside of football they are  
reasonable people. Remember they have to live with a record og being able to  
beat everybody but Texas...

Like our thing with dOSU

Go Cats

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone



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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 10:24:02 2011
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (Eric Kunkel)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:24:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Fwd:  Meineke Bowl
In-Reply-To: <8CE95E08A5DF0DA-1080-37569@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CE958DF691E9B2-EE0-1D3B7@Webmail-m113.sysops.aol.com>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Kunkel <wildelk2 at aol.com>
To: neonrye <neonrye at aol.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 4:35 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl


Paul and List Friends,


   Part of the lack of list traffic may be that some of us believe 6-6 (and 6-7 UCLA...still can't believe they are in a bowl) teams don't belong in bowl season; that the whole thing is watered down.  I believe that the number of bowls finally went past "the tipping point: a few years ago when over 1/2 of Div. 1-A (70 out of 120 teams) can qualify for a bowl.  I'm all for lots of games, but we as fans have a right not to pay attention to games that are merely a one game extension/$ producer to the regular season. 
   With that said, the rules are such that NU will play Texas A&M.  It will be a tough number with Mabin and Mafuli out; Vince Browne will need to live up to the hype and get after Tannyhill; force turnovers. Like Nebraska, how are we going to respond when A&M nails a quick TD? That will happen today.  Is our offense going to do didly squat and give the ball right back like we did late last year and mid-season this year?  Or, like after Nebraska scores do we stuff it down their esophagus and get the 2 score lead back? 
   Let's face it, A&M has a bit of a yellow streak. Just not falling into an early hole (Thanks Paul) and making them play from behind would be a good start. Make them press.  In other words, play with them and as Pat said before the NU-NU game, "we need to take the fight to them".  Defense and how we respond to big plays will be the deciding factors today.


Let's git er' done Cats!!                 Eric
  



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Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2011 6:44 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl



Hey Listers,

Is anybody out there?  Where are all of the emails I was expecting to read on 
the eve of our big bowl game?   It has been so quiet I thought maybe I was 
somehow thrown off of the List.

I have no prediction to make, other than to say that I would love to see us get 
off to a good start for a change in a bowl game.  Other than the Sun Bowl vs. 
UCLA and the Alamo Bowl vs. Mizzou, I can't remember us breaking in front.  
Usually we get down by at least 2 TD's before we remember why we are there.  I 
know that A & M ihas proved to be a first-half terror, second-half dog this 
year, but I would hate to count on a late comeback against a team that, at least 
on paper, seems to have a decided edge in talent and probably depth.  

We need a big game tomorrow out of our Special Teamers, especially Venric Mark, 
as field position will be very important.  If Danny P. has a short field to work 
with, he will put a lot of points up, and it will ease the pressure on our 
running attack.

I will be watching the game at our traditional NYC suburban gathering at Buffalo 
Wild Wings in Stamford, CT.  The University has taken our email "invitation" and 
extended it to incoming freshmen recently accepted as "Early Decision" 
candidates.  I am "hosting" the event, pinch-hitting for Ken Monroe, who has 
done a superb job building our group to an established gig, and who will be in 
Chicago for the game.   I am looking forward to teaching the new kids "Go U 
Northwestern", which, of course, we sing after every 'Cat score (lubricated with 
"Purple Shots" to celebrate).  Hopefully, those of you in Houston we hear our 
voices raised in song throughout the day.  Please root them home.  It's time to 
end the drought.

Go 'Cats!  And Happy New Year (which it will especially be, if there is a Purple 
celebration when the Fourth Quarter ends).

Paul Levinson
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 10:30:13 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:30:13 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Without Mabin
Message-ID: <929254176-1325349014-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-870754021-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

I don't know how we slow down the Aggies enough to win. Poor Jones will be way over his head. Another bowl shootout at best. Go 'Cats!!!

Brad Wilson
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 11:08:41 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:08:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] First impressions ...
Message-ID: <1325351321.7128.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Some opening thoughts from the Houston Bowl ...

- Touching tribute for both teams to wear #67 - such a sad story

- Wish they'd have at least shown a replay of that opening kickoff

- For an indoor field, Reliant's turf looks awful

- Lot of empty seats showing up on TV -- I thought Houston was in good shape for lower bowl sales at least?

- Like the defensive pressure, but you can't blitz AND give a 20 yard cushion ...

- McNaul came to play ... good stop ... now LET'S GO O!!!
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GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec 31 11:14:11 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:14:11 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] First impressions ...
In-Reply-To: <1325351321.7128.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111231171411.6BDB464C18@romaine.tssi.com>

> - Like the defensive pressure, but you can't blitz AND give a 20 yard cushion ...

Yeah, but if you don't give a cushion and even one receiver gets beyond 
the coverage, it's 6 points.  Seen that too many times this season.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 11:16:42 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:16:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] First impressions ...
In-Reply-To: <20111231171411.6BDB464C18@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <1325351321.7128.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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True, but this might be one of those Baylor/Washington games where you sacrifice a scoring chance to get a turnover ... you blitz, you gotta go all out on the risk.

BTW - Thank goodness Baylor got that 2 point conversion and scored 67 to take that old score off the record books in San Antonio. :)
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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________________________________
 From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: sjtruog at yahoo.com 
Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] First impressions ...
 
> - Like the defensive pressure, but you can't blitz AND give a 20 yard cushion ...

Yeah, but if you don't give a cushion and even one receiver gets beyond 
the coverage, it's 6 points.? Seen that too many times this season.
--
Mike Nolan

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec 31 11:17:42 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:17:42 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Who called time out??
Message-ID: <20111231171742.3350765138@romaine.tssi.com>

So, first they said it was an A&M time out, then they said it
was a Northwestern time out, either way it cost us a first
down.  
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec 31 11:42:40 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:42:40 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Officiating crew...
In-Reply-To: <50E7A562-34A0-4A6B-BD75-0D5254806906@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20111231174240.C9FDF65138@romaine.tssi.com>

> SEC per chance? Tripping?!

According to David Fox on Yahoo, this is a Mountain West crew.

ESPN isn't showing a lot of replays, they must have a smaller camera
contingent.

I've always wondered about those Skycams, and one of them came down
late in the Iowa-Oklahoma game last night, fortunately nobody appeared
to get hurt, though it landed in the Iowa backfield.
--
Mike Nolan


From juliepmcfarland at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 11:42:44 2011
From: juliepmcfarland at yahoo.com (juliepmcfarland)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:42:44 -0600
Subject: [NU Sports] Who called time out??
In-Reply-To: <20111231171742.3350765138@romaine.tssi.com>
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ATM 



On Dec 31, 2011, at 11:17 AM, nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:

> So, first they said it was an A&M time out, then they said it
> was a Northwestern time out, either way it cost us a first
> down.  
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec 31 11:44:34 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:44:34 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Who called time out??
In-Reply-To: <E0FA6304-07B9-4C59-8242-2ABD89F04262@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111231174435.09BFF61264@romaine.tssi.com>

> ATM 

According to the on-screen graphics, NU got charged for it, though.
Must have come from the sideline, sure didn't come from Persa.
--
Mike Nolan

> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 31, 2011, at 11:17 AM, nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan) wrote:
> 
> > So, first they said it was an A&M time out, then they said it
> > was a Northwestern time out, either way it cost us a first
> > down.  
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> > 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 12:00:58 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:00:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Officiating crew...
In-Reply-To: <20111231174240.C9FDF65138@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <50E7A562-34A0-4A6B-BD75-0D5254806906@mac.com>
 <20111231174240.C9FDF65138@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1325354458.50955.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Yeah ... I thought tripping needed to be done with the feet. Oh well, no replay was shown.

Which seems to be a theme today -- from the opening kickoff fumble to each team with an almost touchdown, the ESPN crew have been slow on replays today. Not sure if it's camera angle or bowl exhaustion (because they do have some replays, but they come minutes after the play is done).

And they lucked out with that skycam crash last night -- not only could the camera do some damage, but those wires are dangerous. Wonder if that will impact future skycam games this weekend.

Looks like both offenses are waking up ... it's later than expected, but the shootout may be about to begin.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
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________________________________
 From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: Jason Singer <jintsjason at mac.com> 
Cc: "nwu-sports at tssi.com" <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Officiating crew...
 
> SEC per chance? Tripping?!

According to David Fox on Yahoo, this is a Mountain West crew.

ESPN isn't showing a lot of replays, they must have a smaller camera
contingent.

I've always wondered about those Skycams, and one of them came down
late in the Iowa-Oklahoma game last night, fortunately nobody appeared
to get hurt, though it landed in the Iowa backfield.
--
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 12:11:32 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:11:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Also MIA today ...
Message-ID: <1325355092.61619.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... along with replays and decent grass, is Drake Dunsmore.

FIND #9!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec 31 12:17:23 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:17:23 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Also MIA today ...
In-Reply-To: <1325355092.61619.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111231181723.E1C43650B4@romaine.tssi.com>

> ... along with replays and decent grass, is Drake Dunsmore.

Not to mention good officiating.  What face mask??
--
Mike Nolan


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 12:30:24 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:30:24 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Special teams again..
Message-ID: <1642426397-1325356224-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1366086936-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

But no NU doesn't need a ST coach ... Nah. 

Bw
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 12:32:21 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:32:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] It's a Houston kind of bowl ...
Message-ID: <1325356341.7304.YahooMailNeo@web121702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... and by that I mean "meh."

This bowl game just seems to be in a haze right now, a funk, a case of the blahs. Throw in 2000% humidity, and you have Houston.

Sloppy game all around. The two offenses have shown spurts, but also some amazing sloppiness in dropped passes, key penalties, etc. The defenses have been erratic at best. Even the officiating, camerawork, replay booth and field get grades of Ds at best.

On the plus side, at least ATM is up in the 3rd, which is where we want them, right?

This funk of a game has gotta get better, right?

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Can they replay that field goal? That sure was an ugly kick and it looked wide. But asking for a replay today is too much. Even from the TV crew.
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sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 12:49:06 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:49:06 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] It's a Houston kind of bowl ...
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My fears last night of a Special Teams imbalabce have been borne out.  So far, IMHO, it is the single deciding factor in the game, as TAMU's field poasition advantage has been friggin' HUGE.  The big kickoff after our TD being Exhibit A.  

Paul Levinson
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To: NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
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Subject: [NU Sports] It's a Houston kind of bowl ...

... and by that I mean "meh."

This bowl game just seems to be in a haze right now, a funk, a case of the blahs. Throw in 2000% humidity, and you have Houston.

Sloppy game all around. The two offenses have shown spurts, but also some amazing sloppiness in dropped passes, key penalties, etc. The defenses have been erratic at best. Even the officiating, camerawork, replay booth and field get grades of Ds at best.

On the plus side, at least ATM is up in the 3rd, which is where we want them, right?

This funk of a game has gotta get better, right?

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Can they replay that field goal? That sure was an ugly kick and it looked wide. But asking for a replay today is too much. Even from the TV crew.
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GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 12:58:32 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:58:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] What the heck is our offensive game plan???
Message-ID: <1325357912.94445.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I think we're too enamored by the T word (tempo) to worry about PLAY CALLING.

Our tempo has led to just as many sloppy situations as advantages. I could care less as long as we get the friggin' play off and not burn a timeout in the first quarter because we can't get the play in.

Of bigger concern is the plays we call with that tempo.

On our first series of the second half, every play but ONE was within 2 yards of the line of scrimmage. Dink passes for losses, dink runs for gains of 1 and a friggin 2 yard dump pass on THIRD AND FRIGGIN' FIVE!!! Interestingly, the one pass we did throw more than 3 yards forward, we got a flag and a first down on.

At least our defense is trying to do something to force the issue - you get burned, you get burned, but they're risking it.

The offense is dinking and dunking and it's only worked on one drive. We need to worry less about getting cutesy with tempo and substituting the quarterback and worry more about spreading out the field - side to side AND north and south, as ATM has been doing on their last couple series.

UGH!!!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 13:04:47 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:04:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] ATM's offense ...
Message-ID: <1325358287.95802.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... by comparison to ours, has swung the ball left, then right. They've done short dump passes and taken deep shots. They've used the sidelines and gone over the middle.

No talk of tempo or subbing in quarterbacks, just worrying about calling plays and mixing it up.

NU needs to learn from that.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - If these announcers (a perfect fit for the Meh Bowl) didn't put you to sleep already, the new ATM coach from Houston will. Zzzzzzz. And since there's no replays today apparently, there's not anything to interrupt him! HELP!
PPS - My friend from Wisconsin just flicked on the game and the first thing he said was that the field looked awful. Like Soldier Field a couple years back for that Bears game after the muddy high school game was on it. What's Houston's excuse indoors?

Ugh ... ATM just moved it down the field and scored. NU needs to wake up on offense now. Aside from the one scoring drive, it's been an awful day of play calling for McCall -- all window dressing with tempo and subs and no substance with a mix of plays.
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec 31 13:09:58 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:09:58 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Game, what game?
In-Reply-To: <1325358287.95802.YahooMailNeo@web121705.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111231190958.82ED865093@romaine.tssi.com>

I wonder if ESPN even remembers there's a football game going on here? 
The last 10 minutes have been more about A&M's 2012 season than the game.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 13:11:44 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:11:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The one replay they do show ...
Message-ID: <1325358704.9796.YahooMailNeo@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... at least shows how bogus that non-intentional grounding call was.

Better late than never, ESPN.

What a MEH crew to match the Meh Bowl.

Ugh.
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec 31 13:16:07 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:16:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] What do the Mountain West officials have against us?
Message-ID: <20111231191607.5172565093@romaine.tssi.com>

Is this conference retribution for Gordon Gee's "little sisters of the poor" 
commment last year?
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 13:26:03 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:26:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] This is just embarrassing now on O ...
Message-ID: <1325359563.24438.YahooMailNeo@web121704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

All these false starts are pathetic.

We need to quit getting cute on QB swaps and tempo and get Persa out there and run a consistent, disciplined offense that pushes pace while mixing up the play calls.

Ugh - what an ugly series.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec 31 13:33:49 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:33:49 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] This is just embarrassing now on O ...
In-Reply-To: <1325359563.24438.YahooMailNeo@web121704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20111231193349.D131165135@romaine.tssi.com>

> We need to quit getting cute on QB swaps and tempo and get Persa out there 
> and run a consistent, disciplined offense that pushes pace while mixing up 
> the play calls.

Not sure which is worse, play calling or play execution.  

If this is Colter's tryout for the starting QB job in 2012, he's not doing well.  

The NFL scouts are not going to grade Persa very high today, either.
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 13:35:36 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:35:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] If Houston ain't spelled H-E-double hockey sticks ...
Message-ID: <1325360136.12442.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... it should be.

Ugh. We've gone from bad to worse in the third quarter. Our O-line is a sieve, our discipline is eroding and our play calling is still pathetic.

Even a great return from Mark (who probably thought he was still going since the field is so bad that the out of bounds lines are more green than white) can't spark the offense.

It's a shame to see great kids like Persa, Ebert and Dunsmore go out this way ... I guess the only good thing is that it's still 2011, so tonight we can put the Houston Meh Bowl, blind officials, terrible turf, nonexistent replays, woeful play calling, poor line play, erratic defense and all of the rest of it in the rear view mirror. The sooner we all get out of Houston, the better.

On to 2012!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec 31 13:43:18 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:43:18 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten in bowl games
Message-ID: <20111231194318.E0CD26402F@romaine.tssi.com>

Right now 5-5 for the Big Ten in the bowl games is looking like it might 
be optimistic.

And I truly dislike the 'New Years Day' barrage approach, it means I can't
watch most of our games.  
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec 31 13:47:22 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:47:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I wonder how long they've been practicing that Ebert
	pass play?
Message-ID: <20111231194722.BED03650B4@romaine.tssi.com>

Well, it's now a two-possession game.  

An A&M collapse now would be most welcome and give the announcers
a lot to talk about the rest of the bowl season.
--
Mike Nolan


From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec 31 13:49:38 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:49:38 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Most of the time I hate on sides kicks
Message-ID: <20111231194938.3CC6965135@romaine.tssi.com>

And this one was no exception!
--
Mike Nolan


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 13:53:49 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 11:53:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten in bowl games
In-Reply-To: <20111231194318.E0CD26402F@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <20111231194318.E0CD26402F@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <1325361229.52286.YahooMailNeo@web121703.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

We'll see what happens with the Ill-ini up in the Bay Area. But Iowa and NU were clearly big underdogs, so 2-2 at this point would be OK.

I also hate the bunch of all the games at once. Another way the B(C)S is the worst of both worlds - we no longer get the Bowl Day tradition of staggered games because the B(C)S wants the whole 90 minutes or so before the Rose Bowl clear for their pregame show. Blech.

As for Monday's Big Ten games (and the Sugar, which SHOULD be Monday) ...

- I would put PSU and Michigan down as favorites, though not heavy.

- OSU is a tossup ... and I could care less.
- MSU is a tossup ... if they come to play, I like their chances.
- Pasadena is a tossup as well, though if the Smug Smirk sticks to the gameplan, UW should pound the Ducks.
- UNL is an underdog, though not by much


We'll see how it goes. Right now we're par for the course -- winning the one we should, losing two where we were big underdogs. If the B(C)S is all that counts, then we gotta go get those wins, which would put the Big Ten at 5-1 in the past three years.?

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: Mike Nolan <nolan at tssi.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 12:43 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten in bowl games
 
Right now 5-5 for the Big Ten in the bowl games is looking like it might 
be optimistic.

And I truly dislike the 'New Years Day' barrage approach, it means I can't
watch most of our games.? 
--
Mike Nolan

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 14:08:19 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 12:08:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] I may get frustrated at our coaches ...
Message-ID: <1325362099.50293.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

... especially McCall and the erratic offense ...

but then I see Fitz on the sidelines, fist pumped in the air, psyching up his players and showing a passion for the game that few ever will have.

And it just turns into purple love. :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________

From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec 31 14:23:07 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:23:07 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] The monkey wins again
Message-ID: <20111231202308.023FF6536F@romaine.tssi.com>

:sigh:
--
Mike Nolan


From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Dec 31 14:25:40 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:25:40 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Add 1 to the monkey's shirt
References: <1325362099.50293.YahooMailNeo@web121701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1A1FE59F5AF64356B90F5B1C52181543@dennismachine>

Heart we got.  A coach we got.  Ya gotta love Fitz and his enthusiasm.

What we don't got is an offensive line, a running back, a secondary, and a 
pass rush.  The better team won today by a score that was closer than the 
differential in skill sets.

When's it gonna end?  When are we gonna get more than just a few good 
football players and win a bowl game? 


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 14:41:02 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:41:02 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
Message-ID: <1708313225-1325364065-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2005277419-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

Maybe then? Auugggh!!! 

Watched from McGlinchey's in Philadelphia. Lots of bourbon. When will this end?

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 15:05:35 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:05:35 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
Message-ID: <CAHChqvgxaM5Qh+3FN_RkHy-07=K3J7R5Zenbxd0DVHCDj87_JA@mail.gmail.com>

Next year is a major rebuilding project as we lose a lot of seniors, then
our schedule gets really tough for the foreseeable future. Not scheduling
many cupcakes anymore. Add that to our admissions office preventing at
least two four-star recruits from committing to the team recently. We might
not be back to a bowl for a long time, much less win one.

Watched in San Francisco in a bar owned by an NU alum, with more than 100
purple in attendance. I'm sure our fans would have packed AT&T Park today
on a beautiful sunny day on the Bay, for a very winnable game against UCLA.
Thanks a lot Mr Phillips, for doing all you did to "move us up" away from
SF to a very difficult opponent in a much less attractive setting, when we
could have been spanking the Bruins instead and ending this streak. As it
is, there is no evidence of any Illinois presence in town, and none of
their fans care (most of my family are Illini and none have any interest in
the game).

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 15:50:16 2011
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:50:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvgxaM5Qh+3FN_RkHy-07=K3J7R5Zenbxd0DVHCDj87_JA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHChqvgxaM5Qh+3FN_RkHy-07=K3J7R5Zenbxd0DVHCDj87_JA@mail.gmail.com>
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I know - it's a tough call. I certainly don't fault our AD for bragging up NU and moving us up in the bowl process -- he's doing an amazing job of promoting Northwestern football.

But ... it was tough to watch our game and then swing over to sunny San Francisco, actual green turf and all the picturesque vistas and beatable UCLA team and not wonder "what if ..."?

I'm sure we will hear from those who attended the game today, but on TV at least, the Houston Meh Bowl had to rank low on NU's bowl experiences. Dallas at least had the historic Cotton Bowl setting, Detroit has a better stadium, San Fran would have had the sights, Phoenix has perfect weather this weekend, Tampa sounded like a first-rate experience, San Antonio was a nice setting with everything nearby, etc. etc. etc.

As for next year, I'm pretty optimistic (and looking at our 2013 and 2014 schedules - OUCH! - next year BETTER be our year!). We lose some big-time seniors, but I think we'll be fine on offense. And the defense has to get better? Right??? Plus, we had some special teams bright spots this year that were lacking in the past. And Fitz is the embodiment of all the class and enthusiasm I want from a head coach on the sideline.?

The problem comes in the rest of the staff -- I'm not so harsh on Hank because he's dealing with a tougher deck, but he needs to get better on playing aggressive and playing smart. We can't just sit back and wait for teams to make 3rd down after 3rd down on us. If we get beat, we get beat, but we gotta go out fighting and take our chances in smart ways. My beefs are more on the offense, where it really appeared today that we "out-thunk" ourselves -- our tempo push hurt us more than ATM with sloppy penalties and missed blocking assignments ... and the rotating QB gimmick was a bust. Put Colter in for a series or so, but alternating by play ruined any rhythm we had and made it predictable when Kain came in what the call would be -- at the end when we stuck with Persa consistently, he then developed a rhythm. We need to get our offensive game plan back to the Walker days where the spread was used to SPREAD the field -- swing the D side to side, test them
 deep and dink them short ... ?then get smart about finding the holes and mixing it up. Now it seems like we want to be more Oregon-lite with gimmicks and flash instead of smarts and substance.

But I like our team for next year and our schedule is as good as it will be for a couple of years -- our staff needs to kick it in gear and get back to making smart game plans for NU football in 2012 - use or strengths to help us overcome the weaknesses NU will always have.

Happy NU year!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:05 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
 
Next year is a major rebuilding project as we lose a lot of seniors, then
our schedule gets really tough for the foreseeable future. Not scheduling
many cupcakes anymore. Add that to our admissions office preventing at
least two four-star recruits from committing to the team recently. We might
not be back to a bowl for a long time, much less win one.

Watched in San Francisco in a bar owned by an NU alum, with more than 100
purple in attendance. I'm sure our fans would have packed AT&T Park today
on a beautiful sunny day on the Bay, for a very winnable game against UCLA.
Thanks a lot Mr Phillips, for doing all you did to "move us up" away from
SF to a very difficult opponent in a much less attractive setting, when we
could have been spanking the Bruins instead and ending this streak. As it
is, there is no evidence of any Illinois presence in town, and none of
their fans care (most of my family are Illini and none have any interest in
the game).
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 15:57:31 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:57:31 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
In-Reply-To: <1325368216.20765.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAHChqvgxaM5Qh+3FN_RkHy-07=K3J7R5Zenbxd0DVHCDj87_JA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1325368216.20765.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2096263286-1325368652-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2050729035-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>

Living in the Bay Area certainly would have preferred SF and agreed that Houston is not high on the list for bowl destinations,but still will argue Philips' job is to get the highest bowl he can get us to. Hard to rank the lower bowls but I do think Meineke outranks Kraft.  He has done a great job of selling us to the Bowl committees and the alums have done their job of buying tickets and spending money. 

Happy New Year to everyone

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:50:16 
To: Scott Zeller, M.D.<scottzel at gmail.com>; NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak

I know - it's a tough call. I certainly don't fault our AD for bragging up NU and moving us up in the bowl process -- he's doing an amazing job of promoting Northwestern football.

But ... it was tough to watch our game and then swing over to sunny San Francisco, actual green turf and all the picturesque vistas and beatable UCLA team and not wonder "what if ..."?

I'm sure we will hear from those who attended the game today, but on TV at least, the Houston Meh Bowl had to rank low on NU's bowl experiences. Dallas at least had the historic Cotton Bowl setting, Detroit has a better stadium, San Fran would have had the sights, Phoenix has perfect weather this weekend, Tampa sounded like a first-rate experience, San Antonio was a nice setting with everything nearby, etc. etc. etc.

As for next year, I'm pretty optimistic (and looking at our 2013 and 2014 schedules - OUCH! - next year BETTER be our year!). We lose some big-time seniors, but I think we'll be fine on offense. And the defense has to get better? Right??? Plus, we had some special teams bright spots this year that were lacking in the past. And Fitz is the embodiment of all the class and enthusiasm I want from a head coach on the sideline.?

The problem comes in the rest of the staff -- I'm not so harsh on Hank because he's dealing with a tougher deck, but he needs to get better on playing aggressive and playing smart. We can't just sit back and wait for teams to make 3rd down after 3rd down on us. If we get beat, we get beat, but we gotta go out fighting and take our chances in smart ways. My beefs are more on the offense, where it really appeared today that we "out-thunk" ourselves -- our tempo push hurt us more than ATM with sloppy penalties and missed blocking assignments ... and the rotating QB gimmick was a bust. Put Colter in for a series or so, but alternating by play ruined any rhythm we had and made it predictable when Kain came in what the call would be -- at the end when we stuck with Persa consistently, he then developed a rhythm. We need to get our offensive game plan back to the Walker days where the spread was used to SPREAD the field -- swing the D side to side, test them
 deep and dink them short ... ?then get smart about finding the holes and mixing it up. Now it seems like we want to be more Oregon-lite with gimmicks and flash instead of smarts and substance.

But I like our team for next year and our schedule is as good as it will be for a couple of years -- our staff needs to kick it in gear and get back to making smart game plans for NU football in 2012 - use or strengths to help us overcome the weaknesses NU will always have.

Happy NU year!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:05 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
 
Next year is a major rebuilding project as we lose a lot of seniors, then
our schedule gets really tough for the foreseeable future. Not scheduling
many cupcakes anymore. Add that to our admissions office preventing at
least two four-star recruits from committing to the team recently. We might
not be back to a bowl for a long time, much less win one.

Watched in San Francisco in a bar owned by an NU alum, with more than 100
purple in attendance. I'm sure our fans would have packed AT&T Park today
on a beautiful sunny day on the Bay, for a very winnable game against UCLA.
Thanks a lot Mr Phillips, for doing all you did to "move us up" away from
SF to a very difficult opponent in a much less attractive setting, when we
could have been spanking the Bruins instead and ending this streak. As it
is, there is no evidence of any Illinois presence in town, and none of
their fans care (most of my family are Illini and none have any interest in
the game).
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 31 16:01:27 2011
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:01:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
In-Reply-To: <2096263286-1325368652-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2050729035-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
References: <CAHChqvgxaM5Qh+3FN_RkHy-07=K3J7R5Zenbxd0DVHCDj87_JA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <2096263286-1325368652-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2050729035-@b11.c7.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1325368887.13137.YahooMailRC@web83909.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The "Chicago Tribune" reported yesterday that Illinois had sold 2000 tickets.? 
And while it's hard to tell on TV, the crowd looks like it...pathetic.






________________________________
From: "hakirsch at aol.com" <hakirsch at aol.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>; "Scott Zeller, M.D." 
<scottzel at gmail.com>; NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, December 31, 2011 3:57:31 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak

Living in the Bay Area certainly would have preferred SF and agreed that Houston 
is not high on the list for bowl destinations,but still will argue Philips' job 
is to get the highest bowl he can get us to. Hard to rank the lower bowls but I 
do think Meineke outranks Kraft.? He has done a great job of selling us to the 
Bowl committees and the alums have done their job of buying tickets and spending 
money. 


Happy New Year to everyone

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:50:16 
To: Scott Zeller, M.D.<scottzel at gmail.com>; NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak

I know - it's a tough call. I certainly don't fault our AD for bragging up NU 
and moving us up in the bowl process -- he's doing an amazing job of promoting 
Northwestern football.

But ... it was tough to watch our game and then swing over to sunny San 
Francisco, actual green turf and all the picturesque vistas and beatable UCLA 
team and not wonder "what if ..."?

I'm sure we will hear from those who attended the game today, but on TV at 
least, the Houston Meh Bowl had to rank low on NU's bowl experiences. Dallas at 
least had the historic Cotton Bowl setting, Detroit has a better stadium, San 
Fran would have had the sights, Phoenix has perfect weather this weekend, Tampa 
sounded like a first-rate experience, San Antonio was a nice setting with 
everything nearby, etc. etc. etc.

As for next year, I'm pretty optimistic (and looking at our 2013 and 2014 
schedules - OUCH! - next year BETTER be our year!). We lose some big-time 
seniors, but I think we'll be fine on offense. And the defense has to get 
better? Right??? Plus, we had some special teams bright spots this year that 
were lacking in the past. And Fitz is the embodiment of all the class and 
enthusiasm I want from a head coach on the sideline.?

The problem comes in the rest of the staff -- I'm not so harsh on Hank because 
he's dealing with a tougher deck, but he needs to get better on playing 
aggressive and playing smart. We can't just sit back and wait for teams to make 
3rd down after 3rd down on us. If we get beat, we get beat, but we gotta go out 
fighting and take our chances in smart ways. My beefs are more on the offense, 
where it really appeared today that we "out-thunk" ourselves -- our tempo push 
hurt us more than ATM with sloppy penalties and missed blocking assignments ... 
and the rotating QB gimmick was a bust. Put Colter in for a series or so, but 
alternating by play ruined any rhythm we had and made it predictable when Kain 
came in what the call would be -- at the end when we stuck with Persa 
consistently, he then developed a rhythm. We need to get our offensive game plan 
back to the Walker days where the spread was used to SPREAD the field -- swing 
the D side to side, test them
deep and dink them short ... ?then get smart about finding the holes and mixing 
it up. Now it seems like we want to be more Oregon-lite with gimmicks and flash 
instead of smarts and substance.

But I like our team for next year and our schedule is as good as it will be for 
a couple of years -- our staff needs to kick it in gear and get back to making 
smart game plans for NU football in 2012 - use or strengths to help us overcome 
the weaknesses NU will always have.

Happy NU year!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
From: "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:05 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak

Next year is a major rebuilding project as we lose a lot of seniors, then
our schedule gets really tough for the foreseeable future. Not scheduling
many cupcakes anymore. Add that to our admissions office preventing at
least two four-star recruits from committing to the team recently. We might
not be back to a bowl for a long time, much less win one.

Watched in San Francisco in a bar owned by an NU alum, with more than 100
purple in attendance. I'm sure our fans would have packed AT&T Park today
on a beautiful sunny day on the Bay, for a very winnable game against UCLA.
Thanks a lot Mr Phillips, for doing all you did to "move us up" away from
SF to a very difficult opponent in a much less attractive setting, when we
could have been spanking the Bruins instead and ending this streak. As it
is, there is no evidence of any Illinois presence in town, and none of
their fans care (most of my family are Illini and none have any interest in
the game).
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
_______________________________________________
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Dec 31 16:03:23 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:03:23 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
References: <CAHChqvgxaM5Qh+3FN_RkHy-07=K3J7R5Zenbxd0DVHCDj87_JA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144839@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Scott,
 
OK
 
I hate losing as much as anyone (ask my wife).
 
Still, this is not the end of the world and it is certainly not Phillips "fault".  His job is to get us into the best bowl game that he can.  It's Fitz's job to win them.  If we continue this streak of qualifying for a bowl game every year, he will win one. 
 
We had a 6-6 team this year.
 
We were 10 point dogs in this game and lost by 11.
 
Mabin and Mafuli on the sidelines really hurt our D and our secondary couldn't hold up when we blitzed.  We played the run well, but didn't tackle well.
 
Bolden got burned a couple of times and that made us more of a passing team which made it much easier for them to blitz.  We have seen that before this season.
 
This was one of those games where we needed to play perfectly to win, and we didn't.
 
It was also one of those games where we needed the refs to be perfect too, and they weren't.
 
All of those things said, we STILL came back and made a game of it.  This game certainly helped our profile and our recruiting.  Who wouldn't want to play for Fitz?  Our kids showed heart and guts.  I hate that darn monkey, but what kid wouldn't buy into being one of the players who gets to tear it apart?
 
As we have read in earlier posts, the admissions department is NOT the enemy.  Fitz recruits kids who have the academic talent to graduate as well as the athletic ability to play Div I football.  I don't know who these prospects are that you reference, but if they didn't have the grades or the exam scores, they are not going to be a good fit.
 
Whenever you graduate a senior QB, it's always a rebuilding year, but Coulter will be fine next year.  There was the same concern when Persa replaced Kafka.  Persa hadn't looked all that great throwing the ball in his backup role to Kafka either, and then turns out to be one of the most accurate QB's in college FB.
 
We also clearly have a running game - that's something that all of us have wished for in years past.  
 
Special teams have improved dramatically from years past.
 
On D, we are playing the run better than we have in the past.  I think that our pass D will improve too, if only because we played a lot of underclassmen this year.  
 
Does that mean that we will be a 10-2 team next year?  I don't think so.  But I think we WILL extend our bowl streak and get another shot at that monkey.  I've got a good feeling that it won't live to see the 2013 season.
 
Jeff
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Scott Zeller, M.D.
Sent: Sat 12/31/2011 4:05 PM
To: NUSPORTS
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak



Next year is a major rebuilding project as we lose a lot of seniors, then
our schedule gets really tough for the foreseeable future. Not scheduling
many cupcakes anymore. Add that to our admissions office preventing at
least two four-star recruits from committing to the team recently. We might
not be back to a bowl for a long time, much less win one.

Watched in San Francisco in a bar owned by an NU alum, with more than 100
purple in attendance. I'm sure our fans would have packed AT&T Park today
on a beautiful sunny day on the Bay, for a very winnable game against UCLA.
Thanks a lot Mr Phillips, for doing all you did to "move us up" away from
SF to a very difficult opponent in a much less attractive setting, when we
could have been spanking the Bruins instead and ending this streak. As it
is, there is no evidence of any Illinois presence in town, and none of
their fans care (most of my family are Illini and none have any interest in
the game).
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 16:16:08 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:16:08 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
In-Reply-To: <1325368216.20765.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
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Anybody think that Hank's time may be up--either by retirement or involuntarily?  If so, could Fitz lure his mentor, Vanderlinden, back to Evanston as Associate Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator?

Vandy should be available, assuming PSU cleans house.

Any thoughts, Coach Roy, as you have offered many insights about Coach RV over the years?


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:50:16 
To: Scott Zeller, M.D.<scottzel at gmail.com>; NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak

I know - it's a tough call. I certainly don't fault our AD for bragging up NU and moving us up in the bowl process -- he's doing an amazing job of promoting Northwestern football.

But ... it was tough to watch our game and then swing over to sunny San Francisco, actual green turf and all the picturesque vistas and beatable UCLA team and not wonder "what if ..."?

I'm sure we will hear from those who attended the game today, but on TV at least, the Houston Meh Bowl had to rank low on NU's bowl experiences. Dallas at least had the historic Cotton Bowl setting, Detroit has a better stadium, San Fran would have had the sights, Phoenix has perfect weather this weekend, Tampa sounded like a first-rate experience, San Antonio was a nice setting with everything nearby, etc. etc. etc.

As for next year, I'm pretty optimistic (and looking at our 2013 and 2014 schedules - OUCH! - next year BETTER be our year!). We lose some big-time seniors, but I think we'll be fine on offense. And the defense has to get better? Right??? Plus, we had some special teams bright spots this year that were lacking in the past. And Fitz is the embodiment of all the class and enthusiasm I want from a head coach on the sideline.?

The problem comes in the rest of the staff -- I'm not so harsh on Hank because he's dealing with a tougher deck, but he needs to get better on playing aggressive and playing smart. We can't just sit back and wait for teams to make 3rd down after 3rd down on us. If we get beat, we get beat, but we gotta go out fighting and take our chances in smart ways. My beefs are more on the offense, where it really appeared today that we "out-thunk" ourselves -- our tempo push hurt us more than ATM with sloppy penalties and missed blocking assignments ... and the rotating QB gimmick was a bust. Put Colter in for a series or so, but alternating by play ruined any rhythm we had and made it predictable when Kain came in what the call would be -- at the end when we stuck with Persa consistently, he then developed a rhythm. We need to get our offensive game plan back to the Walker days where the spread was used to SPREAD the field -- swing the D side to side, test them
 deep and dink them short ... ?then get smart about finding the holes and mixing it up. Now it seems like we want to be more Oregon-lite with gimmicks and flash instead of smarts and substance.

But I like our team for next year and our schedule is as good as it will be for a couple of years -- our staff needs to kick it in gear and get back to making smart game plans for NU football in 2012 - use or strengths to help us overcome the weaknesses NU will always have.

Happy NU year!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:05 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
 
Next year is a major rebuilding project as we lose a lot of seniors, then
our schedule gets really tough for the foreseeable future. Not scheduling
many cupcakes anymore. Add that to our admissions office preventing at
least two four-star recruits from committing to the team recently. We might
not be back to a bowl for a long time, much less win one.

Watched in San Francisco in a bar owned by an NU alum, with more than 100
purple in attendance. I'm sure our fans would have packed AT&T Park today
on a beautiful sunny day on the Bay, for a very winnable game against UCLA.
Thanks a lot Mr Phillips, for doing all you did to "move us up" away from
SF to a very difficult opponent in a much less attractive setting, when we
could have been spanking the Bruins instead and ending this streak. As it
is, there is no evidence of any Illinois presence in town, and none of
their fans care (most of my family are Illini and none have any interest in
the game).
_______________________________________________
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nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 16:39:44 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:39:44 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
Message-ID: <ce40.48166d9b.3c30e930@aol.com>

Heart we got.  A coach we got.  Ya gotta love Fitz and his  enthusiasm.

not really I would prefer a coach who can outmaneuver the other coach, we  
are too predictable. 25 Orlando Cats at my house had a good time, but 
another  all time football futility record is not fun

From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Dec 31 16:56:52 2011
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 17:56:52 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
References: <CAHChqvgxaM5Qh+3FN_RkHy-07=K3J7R5Zenbxd0DVHCDj87_JA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <961F64DE22154F0CABDA53548A0B78CC@dennismachine>

> We also clearly have a running game - that's something that all of us have 
> wished for in years past.

We do?  What team were you watching?  A backup quarterback/receiver was our 
leading rusher this season, and we don't run the triple option.


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 31 17:08:33 2011
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 23:08:33 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] 3rd and 13
Message-ID: <1944924591-1325372924-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1985082377-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>

To my mind this 4th-quarter situation  was the game's key play, and Hank didn't blitz and the receiver was wide open anyway. 

Modern football is about pressuring the QB. If you don't, you can't be five yards from the receivers.  One or the other -- and Hank's defense does neither. 

I would have sent the house. How could it have been worse? Maybe there'd have been a bad pass or a sack and if we get the ball back there we force OT at the least. 

Sigh. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 17:17:09 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:17:09 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
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Word is that Vandy is returning to Maryland as their defensive coordinator.

On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:16 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:

> Anybody think that Hank's time may be up--either by retirement or
> involuntarily?  If so, could Fitz lure his mentor, Vanderlinden, back to
> Evanston as Associate Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator?
>
> Vandy should be available, assuming PSU cleans house.
>
> Any thoughts, Coach Roy, as you have offered many insights about Coach RV
> over the years?
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:50:16
> To: Scott Zeller, M.D.<scottzel at gmail.com>; NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
>
> I know - it's a tough call. I certainly don't fault our AD for bragging up
> NU and moving us up in the bowl process -- he's doing an amazing job of
> promoting Northwestern football.
>
> But ... it was tough to watch our game and then swing over to sunny San
> Francisco, actual green turf and all the picturesque vistas and beatable
> UCLA team and not wonder "what if ..."
>
> I'm sure we will hear from those who attended the game today, but on TV at
> least, the Houston Meh Bowl had to rank low on NU's bowl experiences.
> Dallas at least had the historic Cotton Bowl setting, Detroit has a better
> stadium, San Fran would have had the sights, Phoenix has perfect weather
> this weekend, Tampa sounded like a first-rate experience, San Antonio was a
> nice setting with everything nearby, etc. etc. etc.
>
> As for next year, I'm pretty optimistic (and looking at our 2013 and 2014
> schedules - OUCH! - next year BETTER be our year!). We lose some big-time
> seniors, but I think we'll be fine on offense. And the defense has to get
> better? Right??? Plus, we had some special teams bright spots this year
> that were lacking in the past. And Fitz is the embodiment of all the class
> and enthusiasm I want from a head coach on the sideline.
>
> The problem comes in the rest of the staff -- I'm not so harsh on Hank
> because he's dealing with a tougher deck, but he needs to get better on
> playing aggressive and playing smart. We can't just sit back and wait for
> teams to make 3rd down after 3rd down on us. If we get beat, we get beat,
> but we gotta go out fighting and take our chances in smart ways. My beefs
> are more on the offense, where it really appeared today that we "out-thunk"
> ourselves -- our tempo push hurt us more than ATM with sloppy penalties and
> missed blocking assignments ... and the rotating QB gimmick was a bust. Put
> Colter in for a series or so, but alternating by play ruined any rhythm we
> had and made it predictable when Kain came in what the call would be -- at
> the end when we stuck with Persa consistently, he then developed a rhythm.
> We need to get our offensive game plan back to the Walker days where the
> spread was used to SPREAD the field -- swing the D side to side, test them
>  deep and dink them short ...  then get smart about finding the holes and
> mixing it up. Now it seems like we want to be more Oregon-lite with
> gimmicks and flash instead of smarts and substance.
>
> But I like our team for next year and our schedule is as good as it will
> be for a couple of years -- our staff needs to kick it in gear and get back
> to making smart game plans for NU football in 2012 - use or strengths to
> help us overcome the weaknesses NU will always have.
>
> Happy NU year!
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog at yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> ________________________________
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>  From: "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>
> To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:05 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
>
> Next year is a major rebuilding project as we lose a lot of seniors, then
> our schedule gets really tough for the foreseeable future. Not scheduling
> many cupcakes anymore. Add that to our admissions office preventing at
> least two four-star recruits from committing to the team recently. We might
> not be back to a bowl for a long time, much less win one.
>
> Watched in San Francisco in a bar owned by an NU alum, with more than 100
> purple in attendance. I'm sure our fans would have packed AT&T Park today
> on a beautiful sunny day on the Bay, for a very winnable game against UCLA.
> Thanks a lot Mr Phillips, for doing all you did to "move us up" away from
> SF to a very difficult opponent in a much less attractive setting, when we
> could have been spanking the Bruins instead and ending this streak. As it
> is, there is no evidence of any Illinois presence in town, and none of
> their fans care (most of my family are Illini and none have any interest in
> the game).
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Dec 31 17:31:32 2011
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller, M.D.)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:31:32 -0800
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
In-Reply-To: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144839@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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Thanks for your thoughtful and well-reasoned post. Just to answer you, the
two 4-star recruits were Faith Ekatakie (from Lake Forest Academy), the #15
ranked defensive end in the country, and Abner Logan, the #24 ranked
linebacker in the country. Both would have filled positions of great need
for our team. They ended up committing to Iowa and Maryland respectively.
Ekatakie openly reported on the internet how much he wished he could have
gone to NU but apparently his GPA was 0.2 points too low.

I agree we don't want to change NU admission standards like many schools
but apparently these two were both "just missed" types who were just
outside the minimums. Stanford appears to have shown some increased
flexibility in admissions, to great results, and somehow their academic
reputation is intact.

In regards to our bowl location, a funny post on the Rivals Board from
today:

"Phillips to bowl committee...

P: Please pick NU. We are a plucky team that will lose to the local
powerhouse. Home crowd enjoys the wins. And we will sell out our
allotment...."





On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

>  Scott,
>
> OK
>
> I hate losing as much as anyone (ask my wife).
>
> Still, this is not the end of the world and it is certainly not Phillips
> "fault".  His job is to get us into the best bowl game that he can.  It's
> Fitz's job to win them.  If we continue this streak of qualifying for a
> bowl game every year, he will win one.
>
> We had a 6-6 team this year.
>
> We were 10 point dogs in this game and lost by 11.
>
> Mabin and Mafuli on the sidelines really hurt our D and our secondary
> couldn't hold up when we blitzed.  We played the run well, but didn't
> tackle well.
>
> Bolden got burned a couple of times and that made us more of a passing
> team which made it much easier for them to blitz.  We have seen that before
> this season.
>
> This was one of those games where we needed to play perfectly to win, and
> we didn't.
>
> It was also one of those games where we needed the refs to be perfect too,
> and they weren't.
>
> All of those things said, we STILL came back and made a game of it.  This
> game certainly helped our profile and our recruiting.  Who wouldn't want to
> play for Fitz?  Our kids showed heart and guts.  I hate that darn monkey,
> but what kid wouldn't buy into being one of the players who gets to tear it
> apart?
>
> As we have read in earlier posts, the admissions department is NOT the
> enemy.  Fitz recruits kids who have the academic talent to graduate as well
> as the athletic ability to play Div I football.  I don't know who these
> prospects are that you reference, but if they didn't have the grades or the
> exam scores, they are not going to be a good fit.
>
> Whenever you graduate a senior QB, it's always a rebuilding year, but
> Coulter will be fine next year.  There was the same concern when Persa
> replaced Kafka.  Persa hadn't looked all that great throwing the ball in
> his backup role to Kafka either, and then turns out to be one of the most
> accurate QB's in college FB.
>
> We also clearly have a running game - that's something that all of us have
> wished for in years past.
>
> Special teams have improved dramatically from years past.
>
> On D, we are playing the run better than we have in the past.  I think
> that our pass D will improve too, if only because we played a lot of
> underclassmen this year.
>
> Does that mean that we will be a 10-2 team next year?  I don't think so.
> But I think we WILL extend our bowl streak and get another shot at that
> monkey.  I've got a good feeling that it won't live to see the 2013 season.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Scott Zeller, M.D.
> *Sent:* Sat 12/31/2011 4:05 PM
> *To:* NUSPORTS
>
> *Subject:* [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
>
>  Next year is a major rebuilding project as we lose a lot of seniors, then
> our schedule gets really tough for the foreseeable future. Not scheduling
> many cupcakes anymore. Add that to our admissions office preventing at
> least two four-star recruits from committing to the team recently. We might
> not be back to a bowl for a long time, much less win one.
>
> Watched in San Francisco in a bar owned by an NU alum, with more than 100
> purple in attendance. I'm sure our fans would have packed AT&T Park today
> on a beautiful sunny day on the Bay, for a very winnable game against UCLA.
> Thanks a lot Mr Phillips, for doing all you did to "move us up" away from
> SF to a very difficult opponent in a much less attractive setting, when we
> could have been spanking the Bruins instead and ending this streak. As it
> is, there is no evidence of any Illinois presence in town, and none of
> their fans care (most of my family are Illini and none have any interest in
> the game).
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 31 17:40:16 2011
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:40:16 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
Message-ID: <6331996.1325374817275.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I turn 64 on my next birthday in June. So, next year is THE year! - Jim B.

-----Original Message-----
>From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com
>Sent: Dec 31, 2011 12:41 PM
>To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
>
>Maybe then? Auugggh!!! 
>
>Watched from McGlinchey's in Philadelphia. Lots of bourbon. When will this end?
>
>Brad Wilson


From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sat Dec 31 17:43:51 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:43:51 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] 3rd and 13
In-Reply-To: <1944924591-1325372924-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1985082377-@b17.c29.bise6.blackberry>
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Hank did try to send the house a few times during the game and got burned a
couple of those times.  The fact is that NU was missing two critical
aspects to a good defense: cover corners and defensive linemen who can put
pressure without sending the blitz.  In 2008 he had those (McManis/Mabin &
Wootton), and the result was the best NU defense since 1996.   Since then,
those have been lacking and we've seen the results.  Plus, losing the best
CB (Mabin) and a big DT (Mafuli) added fuel to the fire.

As I wrote over at HTP <http://hailtopurple.com/jhodges/comment11l23.html>,
NU should make three staff changes this offseason: a new OL coach, a new DB
coach, and a sports psychologist/consultant.  They could certainly use more
playmakers on defense (in the aforementioned positions specifically), but
some improvement in the coaching of those positions would help the guys
that are there, who have most definitely underperformed this year (and
recent seasons as well).

In any case, I give credit to Fitz and the seniors for their comeback
attempt to make this one entertaining.  I'm as frustrated as anyone about
the continuation of the drought, but eventually NU will get a more
favorable bowl matchup to get that win (which will be even more
satisfying).  Note that NU has been an underdog in all 9 of its recent bowl
games (all Ls), by an average of 8.5 points.  The 'Cats have played many of
those games much closer than that.  I'll continue to support Fitz and the
'Cats and am proud of the way NU runs its program.


Go 'Cats!!!
Jonathan

--
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Contributor, HailToPurple
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Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:08 PM, <bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> To my mind this 4th-quarter situation  was the game's key play, and Hank
> didn't blitz and the receiver was wide open anyway.
>
> Modern football is about pressuring the QB. If you don't, you can't be
> five yards from the receivers.  One or the other -- and Hank's defense does
> neither.
>
> I would have sent the house. How could it have been worse? Maybe there'd
> have been a bad pass or a sack and if we get the ball back there we force
> OT at the least.
>
> Sigh.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports at tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>

From j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sat Dec 31 17:46:36 2011
From: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 18:46:36 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
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http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/24/vanderlinden-denies-any-interest-in-returning-to-terps/

Vanderlinden reportedly denied any interest to head back to MD, though with
things still unsettled at PSU I'm sure the assistants are waiting to make
future plans (in case the next guy does keep some assistants around).

But, like I said in another message, I think the biggest problem is with
the DB position coaching and not the D as a whole.  And, give Hankwitz a
few playmakers at key positions and he has and will make good things happen.

Jonathan

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Twitter: @hailtopurple
Email: j-hodges at alumni.northwestern.edu



On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Scott Zeller, M.D. <scottzel at gmail.com>wrote:

> Word is that Vandy is returning to Maryland as their defensive coordinator.
>
> On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:16 PM, <neonrye at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Anybody think that Hank's time may be up--either by retirement or
> > involuntarily?  If so, could Fitz lure his mentor, Vanderlinden, back to
> > Evanston as Associate Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator?
> >
> > Vandy should be available, assuming PSU cleans house.
> >
> > Any thoughts, Coach Roy, as you have offered many insights about Coach RV
> > over the years?
> >
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> > Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> > Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:50:16
> > To: Scott Zeller, M.D.<scottzel at gmail.com>; NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com
> >
> > Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
> >
> > I know - it's a tough call. I certainly don't fault our AD for bragging
> up
> > NU and moving us up in the bowl process -- he's doing an amazing job of
> > promoting Northwestern football.
> >
> > But ... it was tough to watch our game and then swing over to sunny San
> > Francisco, actual green turf and all the picturesque vistas and beatable
> > UCLA team and not wonder "what if ..."
> >
> > I'm sure we will hear from those who attended the game today, but on TV
> at
> > least, the Houston Meh Bowl had to rank low on NU's bowl experiences.
> > Dallas at least had the historic Cotton Bowl setting, Detroit has a
> better
> > stadium, San Fran would have had the sights, Phoenix has perfect weather
> > this weekend, Tampa sounded like a first-rate experience, San Antonio
> was a
> > nice setting with everything nearby, etc. etc. etc.
> >
> > As for next year, I'm pretty optimistic (and looking at our 2013 and 2014
> > schedules - OUCH! - next year BETTER be our year!). We lose some big-time
> > seniors, but I think we'll be fine on offense. And the defense has to get
> > better? Right??? Plus, we had some special teams bright spots this year
> > that were lacking in the past. And Fitz is the embodiment of all the
> class
> > and enthusiasm I want from a head coach on the sideline.
> >
> > The problem comes in the rest of the staff -- I'm not so harsh on Hank
> > because he's dealing with a tougher deck, but he needs to get better on
> > playing aggressive and playing smart. We can't just sit back and wait for
> > teams to make 3rd down after 3rd down on us. If we get beat, we get beat,
> > but we gotta go out fighting and take our chances in smart ways. My beefs
> > are more on the offense, where it really appeared today that we
> "out-thunk"
> > ourselves -- our tempo push hurt us more than ATM with sloppy penalties
> and
> > missed blocking assignments ... and the rotating QB gimmick was a bust.
> Put
> > Colter in for a series or so, but alternating by play ruined any rhythm
> we
> > had and made it predictable when Kain came in what the call would be --
> at
> > the end when we stuck with Persa consistently, he then developed a
> rhythm.
> > We need to get our offensive game plan back to the Walker days where the
> > spread was used to SPREAD the field -- swing the D side to side, test
> them
> >  deep and dink them short ...  then get smart about finding the holes and
> > mixing it up. Now it seems like we want to be more Oregon-lite with
> > gimmicks and flash instead of smarts and substance.
> >
> > But I like our team for next year and our schedule is as good as it will
> > be for a couple of years -- our staff needs to kick it in gear and get
> back
> > to making smart game plans for NU football in 2012 - use or strengths to
> > help us overcome the weaknesses NU will always have.
> >
> > Happy NU year!
> > GO CATS!!!
> > -SjT
> >
> >
> > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> > STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> > sjtruog at yahoo.com
> > GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
> > Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >  From: "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>
> > To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:05 PM
> > Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
> >
> > Next year is a major rebuilding project as we lose a lot of seniors, then
> > our schedule gets really tough for the foreseeable future. Not scheduling
> > many cupcakes anymore. Add that to our admissions office preventing at
> > least two four-star recruits from committing to the team recently. We
> might
> > not be back to a bowl for a long time, much less win one.
> >
> > Watched in San Francisco in a bar owned by an NU alum, with more than 100
> > purple in attendance. I'm sure our fans would have packed AT&T Park today
> > on a beautiful sunny day on the Bay, for a very winnable game against
> UCLA.
> > Thanks a lot Mr Phillips, for doing all you did to "move us up" away from
> > SF to a very difficult opponent in a much less attractive setting, when
> we
> > could have been spanking the Bruins instead and ending this streak. As it
> > is, there is no evidence of any Illinois presence in town, and none of
> > their fans care (most of my family are Illini and none have any interest
> in
> > the game).
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports at tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 18:49:18 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:49:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
Message-ID: <23d06.7ff0036a.3c31078e@aol.com>

Anybody want 4 lower bowl Capital One tix I got a guy, face value
 

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 18:54:25 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:54:25 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
Message-ID: <2d49c.40678b06.3c3108c1@aol.com>

 
Anybody want 4 lower bowl Capital One tix I got a guy, face value
 
whoops they already sold

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Dec 31 19:52:19 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:52:19 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
In-Reply-To: <1168949450-1325369603-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-107110603-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <CAHChqvgxaM5Qh+3FN_RkHy-07=K3J7R5Zenbxd0DVHCDj87_JA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1325368216.20765.YahooMailNeo@web121706.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
 <1168949450-1325369603-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-107110603-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <3b909bfe-e723-4f40-baf3-4725a0e022c5@blur>

I think Van would find it hard working for a former player.

Personally,.I always thought Bates would become DC someday....

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
To: "SjT \\(Stephen J. Truog\\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>, "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>, NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 22:16:08 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak

Anybody think that Hank's time may be up--either by retirement or involuntarily?  If so, could Fitz lure his mentor, Vanderlinden, back to Evanston as Associate Head Coach/Defensive Coordinator?

Vandy should be available, assuming PSU cleans house.

Any thoughts, Coach Roy, as you have offered many insights about Coach RV over the years?


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 13:50:16 
To: Scott Zeller, M.D.<scottzel at gmail.com>; NUSPORTS<nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Reply-To: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak

I know - it's a tough call. I certainly don't fault our AD for bragging up NU and moving us up in the bowl process -- he's doing an amazing job of promoting Northwestern football.

But ... it was tough to watch our game and then swing over to sunny San Francisco, actual green turf and all the picturesque vistas and beatable UCLA team and not wonder "what if ..."?

I'm sure we will hear from those who attended the game today, but on TV at least, the Houston Meh Bowl had to rank low on NU's bowl experiences. Dallas at least had the historic Cotton Bowl setting, Detroit has a better stadium, San Fran would have had the sights, Phoenix has perfect weather this weekend, Tampa sounded like a first-rate experience, San Antonio was a nice setting with everything nearby, etc. etc. etc.

As for next year, I'm pretty optimistic (and looking at our 2013 and 2014 schedules - OUCH! - next year BETTER be our year!). We lose some big-time seniors, but I think we'll be fine on offense. And the defense has to get better? Right??? Plus, we had some special teams bright spots this year that were lacking in the past. And Fitz is the embodiment of all the class and enthusiasm I want from a head coach on the sideline.?

The problem comes in the rest of the staff -- I'm not so harsh on Hank because he's dealing with a tougher deck, but he needs to get better on playing aggressive and playing smart. We can't just sit back and wait for teams to make 3rd down after 3rd down on us. If we get beat, we get beat, but we gotta go out fighting and take our chances in smart ways. My beefs are more on the offense, where it really appeared today that we "out-thunk" ourselves -- our tempo push hurt us more than ATM with sloppy penalties and missed blocking assignments ... and the rotating QB gimmick was a bust. Put Colter in for a series or so, but alternating by play ruined any rhythm we had and made it predictable when Kain came in what the call would be -- at the end when we stuck with Persa consistently, he then developed a rhythm. We need to get our offensive game plan back to the Walker days where the spread was used to SPREAD the field -- swing the D side to side, test them
 deep and dink them short ... ?then get smart about finding the holes and mixing it up. Now it seems like we want to be more Oregon-lite with gimmicks and flash instead of smarts and substance.

But I like our team for next year and our schedule is as good as it will be for a couple of years -- our staff needs to kick it in gear and get back to making smart game plans for NU football in 2012 - use or strengths to help us overcome the weaknesses NU will always have.

Happy NU year!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog at yahoo.com
GO CATS!!! GEAUX SAINTS!!!
Super Bowl XLIV Champions!
________________________________



________________________________
 From: "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com> 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:05 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
 
Next year is a major rebuilding project as we lose a lot of seniors, then
our schedule gets really tough for the foreseeable future. Not scheduling
many cupcakes anymore. Add that to our admissions office preventing at
least two four-star recruits from committing to the team recently. We might
not be back to a bowl for a long time, much less win one.

Watched in San Francisco in a bar owned by an NU alum, with more than 100
purple in attendance. I'm sure our fans would have packed AT&T Park today
on a beautiful sunny day on the Bay, for a very winnable game against UCLA.
Thanks a lot Mr Phillips, for doing all you did to "move us up" away from
SF to a very difficult opponent in a much less attractive setting, when we
could have been spanking the Bruins instead and ending this streak. As it
is, there is no evidence of any Illinois presence in town, and none of
their fans care (most of my family are Illini and none have any interest in
the game).
_______________________________________________
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nwu-sports at tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Dec 31 19:54:29 2011
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:54:29 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
References: <CAHChqvgxaM5Qh+3FN_RkHy-07=K3J7R5Zenbxd0DVHCDj87_JA@mail.gmail.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144839@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <961F64DE22154F0CABDA53548A0B78CC@dennismachine>
Message-ID: <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC14483B@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Last time I checked, as long as the guy is wearing an NU uniform and is running with the ball, it counts.
 
Here's what the statistics from the last three years say.
 
2009 - 117.5/game 
           3.0 yards/attempt
           fields 302 
           kafka 295

2010 - 155.9/game 
           3.6 yards/attempt 
           trumpy 530 
           persa 519 (717 if you take away his sacks)

2011 - 166.6/game 
           3.8 yards/attempt
           coulter 654 (758 if you take away his sacks)
           schmidt 471

Improvement from 2009 - 2011
Average yards per game - +42%
Yards per attempt - +27%
Leading rusher - +116%

That backup QB/WR that you seem to want to discount ended up gaining more yards on the ground this year than our top two rushers in 2009 combined.  That didn't happen by accident and as far as I can see represents a welcome improvement in our running game.

Clearly there is a pattern here where our offense the last two years has taken advantage of the QB as a running option.  We also aren't the only ones doing this.  Coulter is part of the new breed of college QB's who have transformed the spread into a potent running offense.  We are fortunate to have him.

Jeff





________________________________

From: Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng at comcast.net]
Sent: Sat 12/31/2011 5:56 PM
To: Beamsley, Jeff; Scott Zeller, M.D.; NUSPORTS
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak



> We also clearly have a running game - that's something that all of us have
> wished for in years past.

We do?  What team were you watching?  A backup quarterback/receiver was our
leading rusher this season, and we don't run the triple option.




From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Dec 31 19:57:53 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 20:57:53 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
In-Reply-To: <CAHChqvjTgZPiH2RHwJZKB6JiostSSuCM+ogOZNmQp_C0rD2bpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHChqvgxaM5Qh+3FN_RkHy-07=K3J7R5Zenbxd0DVHCDj87_JA@mail.gmail.com>
 <37BBE4FEDCA6A1479A65BA8A020B14BC144839@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
 <CAHChqvjTgZPiH2RHwJZKB6JiostSSuCM+ogOZNmQp_C0rD2bpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <eab6acba-b1b8-4697-a620-59e027daee0b@blur>

RA was reported to have 1 or 2 "free passes" a year or so I heard here once.

As for Van to ND, has a head guy ever gone back to a team who fired him?

Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone

-----Original message-----
From: "Scott Zeller, M.D." <scottzel at gmail.com>
To: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2011 23:31:32 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak

Thanks for your thoughtful and well-reasoned post. Just to answer you, the
two 4-star recruits were Faith Ekatakie (from Lake Forest Academy), the #15
ranked defensive end in the country, and Abner Logan, the #24 ranked
linebacker in the country. Both would have filled positions of great need
for our team. They ended up committing to Iowa and Maryland respectively.
Ekatakie openly reported on the internet how much he wished he could have
gone to NU but apparently his GPA was 0.2 points too low.

I agree we don't want to change NU admission standards like many schools
but apparently these two were both "just missed" types who were just
outside the minimums. Stanford appears to have shown some increased
flexibility in admissions, to great results, and somehow their academic
reputation is intact.

In regards to our bowl location, a funny post on the Rivals Board from
today:

"Phillips to bowl committee...

P: Please pick NU. We are a plucky team that will lose to the local
powerhouse. Home crowd enjoys the wins. And we will sell out our
allotment...."





On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

>  Scott,
>
> OK
>
> I hate losing as much as anyone (ask my wife).
>
> Still, this is not the end of the world and it is certainly not Phillips
> "fault".  His job is to get us into the best bowl game that he can.  It's
> Fitz's job to win them.  If we continue this streak of qualifying for a
> bowl game every year, he will win one.
>
> We had a 6-6 team this year.
>
> We were 10 point dogs in this game and lost by 11.
>
> Mabin and Mafuli on the sidelines really hurt our D and our secondary
> couldn't hold up when we blitzed.  We played the run well, but didn't
> tackle well.
>
> Bolden got burned a couple of times and that made us more of a passing
> team which made it much easier for them to blitz.  We have seen that  
before
> this season.
>
> This was one of those games where we needed to play perfectly to win, and
> we didn't.
>
> It was also one of those games where we needed the refs to be perfect too,
> and they weren't.
>
> All of those things said, we STILL came back and made a game of it.  This
> game certainly helped our profile and our recruiting.  Who wouldn't want  
to
> play for Fitz?  Our kids showed heart and guts.  I hate that darn monkey,
> but what kid wouldn't buy into being one of the players who gets to tear  
it
> apart?
>
> As we have read in earlier posts, the admissions department is NOT the
> enemy.  Fitz recruits kids who have the academic talent to graduate as  
well
> as the athletic ability to play Div I football.  I don't know who these
> prospects are that you reference, but if they didn't have the grades or  
the
> exam scores, they are not going to be a good fit.
>
> Whenever you graduate a senior QB, it's always a rebuilding year, but
> Coulter will be fine next year.  There was the same concern when Persa
> replaced Kafka.  Persa hadn't looked all that great throwing the ball in
> his backup role to Kafka either, and then turns out to be one of the most
> accurate QB's in college FB.
>
> We also clearly have a running game - that's something that all of us have
> wished for in years past.
>
> Special teams have improved dramatically from years past.
>
> On D, we are playing the run better than we have in the past.  I think
> that our pass D will improve too, if only because we played a lot of
> underclassmen this year.
>
> Does that mean that we will be a 10-2 team next year?  I don't think so.
> But I think we WILL extend our bowl streak and get another shot at that
> monkey.  I've got a good feeling that it won't live to see the 2013  
season.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Scott Zeller, M.D.
> *Sent:* Sat 12/31/2011 4:05 PM
> *To:* NUSPORTS
>
> *Subject:* [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
>
>  Next year is a major rebuilding project as we lose a lot of seniors, then
> our schedule gets really tough for the foreseeable future. Not scheduling
> many cupcakes anymore. Add that to our admissions office preventing at
> least two four-star recruits from committing to the team recently. We  
might
> not be back to a bowl for a long time, much less win one.
>
> Watched in San Francisco in a bar owned by an NU alum, with more than 100
> purple in attendance. I'm sure our fans would have packed AT&T Park today
> on a beautiful sunny day on the Bay, for a very winnable game against  
UCLA.
> Thanks a lot Mr Phillips, for doing all you did to "move us up" away from
> SF to a very difficult opponent in a much less attractive setting, when we
> could have been spanking the Bruins instead and ending this streak. As it
> is, there is no evidence of any Illinois presence in town, and none of
> their fans care (most of my family are Illini and none have any interest  
in
> the game).
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 20:35:22 2011
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:35:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
Message-ID: <16876.1ca410bb.3c31206a@aol.com>

I will be 84 so it had better be.
Don Williams C55
 
 
In a message dated 12/31/2011 5:41:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
thehaze at earthlink.net writes:

I turn  64 on my next birthday in June. So, next year is THE year! - Jim  B.



From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 20:55:18 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:55:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
Message-ID: <6897.4afedd06.3c312515@aol.com>

you inspire us all Happy New Year Don

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 20:57:03 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 02:57:03 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
Message-ID: <265087351-1325386628-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128611008-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>

Hang in there Don.  I hope they do it for you.  

Now I know what my late father went through with his beloved Brooklyn Dodgers, where "Wait until next year" was the sad refrain for decades, as they couldn't get over the hump to win a World Series.  Then, at long last, in October, 1955, Johnny Podres beat the Yankees in Game 7, setting off wild celebrations in the County of Kings.  Like Martin Luther King we will get to the mountaintop, hopefully next year, when I will be 60.
------Original Message------
From: AJWDBW at aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
To: thehaze at earthlink.net
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
Sent: Dec 31, 2011 9:35 PM

I will be 84 so it had better be.
Don Williams C55
 
 
In a message dated 12/31/2011 5:41:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
thehaze at earthlink.net writes:

I turn  64 on my next birthday in June. So, next year is THE year! - Jim  B.


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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 20:58:10 2011
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:58:10 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] Meineke Bowl monkey
Message-ID: <6925.1c8d3486.3c3125c2@aol.com>

I think the monkey was stupid and a little creepy. Do we really need to  
promote the fact that we just set (tied with the evil empire) the record of 9  
bowl losses in a row. 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Dec 31 21:07:15 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:07:15 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
In-Reply-To: <265087351-1325386628-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128611008-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
References: <265087351-1325386628-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-128611008-@b5.c19.bise6.blackberry>
Message-ID: <468b7c29-1f18-4d00-a2eb-1699989bd72d@blur>

My grandfather was also Dodger fan. He thought he was in heaven and  
collected a lot of bats that year

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-----Original message-----
From: neonrye at aol.com
To: AJWDBW at aol.com,  nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com,  thehaze at earthlink.net,   
nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 02:57:03 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....

Hang in there Don.  I hope they do it for you.  

Now I know what my late father went through with his beloved Brooklyn  
Dodgers, where "Wait until next year" was the sad refrain for decades, as  
they couldn't get over the hump to win a World Series.  Then, at long last,  
in October, 1955, Johnny Podres beat the Yankees in Game 7, setting off wild  
celebrations in the County of Kings.  Like Martin Luther King we will get to  
the mountaintop, hopefully next year, when I will be 60.
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I will be 84 so it had better be.
Don Williams C55
 
 
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 21:14:21 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 03:14:21 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
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Bats or bets?
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Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:07:15 
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My grandfather was also Dodger fan. He thought he was in heaven and  
collected a lot of bats that year

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Hang in there Don.  I hope they do it for you.  

Now I know what my late father went through with his beloved Brooklyn  
Dodgers, where "Wait until next year" was the sad refrain for decades, as  
they couldn't get over the hump to win a World Series.  Then, at long last,  
in October, 1955, Johnny Podres beat the Yankees in Game 7, setting off wild  
celebrations in the County of Kings.  Like Martin Luther King we will get to  
the mountaintop, hopefully next year, when I will be 60.
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I will be 84 so it had better be.
Don Williams C55
 
 
In a message dated 12/31/2011 5:41:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
thehaze at earthlink.net writes:

I turn  64 on my next birthday in June. So, next year is THE year! - Jim  B.


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From nolan at tssi.com  Sat Dec 31 21:37:56 2011
From: nolan at tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:37:56 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
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> Still, this is not the end of the world and it is certainly not Phillips "fault".  His job is to get us into the best bowl game that he can.  It's Fitz's job to win them.  If we continue this streak of qualifying for a bowl game every year, he will win one.

Not sure I completely agree.  Yeah, it's Fitz's job to win games, but
why stack the deck against him, which is most assuredly what Phillips
did, with help from Jim Delany.

Anyway, Tom Osborne took Nebraska to 25 bowl games in 25 seasons, winning 
only 10 of them.  At one point he lost 7 in a row, from 1987-1993, I 
think he holds the NCAA record for most consecutive bowl losses by a coach.
(And the joke making the rounds at the time was:  Why doesn't Tom Osborne's
wife serve him cereal for breakfast?  She's afraid he'll lose the bowl.)

He may also hold the record for most bowl losses by a coach, unless Paterno
had more.  

Northwestern's losses have been under 3 different coaches, Notre Dame's 
were under several different coaches, too.  
--
Mike Nolan


From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 22:03:22 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 04:03:22 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
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And Podres was only 21 at the time.  About the same age as several of our players
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Hang in there Don.  I hope they do it for you.  

Now I know what my late father went through with his beloved Brooklyn Dodgers, where "Wait until next year" was the sad refrain for decades, as they couldn't get over the hump to win a World Series.  Then, at long last, in October, 1955, Johnny Podres beat the Yankees in Game 7, setting off wild celebrations in the County of Kings.  Like Martin Luther King we will get to the mountaintop, hopefully next year, when I will be 60.
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Sent: Dec 31, 2011 9:35 PM

I will be 84 so it had better be.
Don Williams C55
 
 
In a message dated 12/31/2011 5:41:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
thehaze at earthlink.net writes:

I turn  64 on my next birthday in June. So, next year is THE year! - Jim  B.


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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 22:03:31 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 23:03:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [NU Sports] JFK a 'Cat
Message-ID: <8CE965175BCDE49-1B14-576C9@webmail-d146.sysops.aol.com>


To divert everyone from today's depressing defeat, I offer some NU trivia I picked up this week, while reading Chris Matthews' wonderful new biography of JFK, entitled "Jack Kennedy--Elusive Hero".  At page 46 Matthews writes "In July [1941], Jack transferred to midhsipman's school at Northwestern University, and from there applied to the Motor Torpedo Boat Squadron Training Center in Melville, Rhode Island."  Thus, we can cast off our reputation as nurturing losers in Presidential races (e.g., Adlai Stevenson, George McGovern, Dick Gephardt) and claim JFK (however briefly) as our own.  Since he attended NU in the summer, maybe we can refer to him as our "Cherub".:-)

Wonder what dorm he lived in?

Go 'Cats!



From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 22:08:11 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 04:08:11 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw:  JFK a 'Cat
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] JFK a 'Cat

I think William Jennings Bryant(a 3 time loser as a nominee of a major party for the Presidency ) attended NU.  Gephardt didn't even get the nomination(except for student president of NU)

Harry 
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Subject: [NU Sports] JFK a 'Cat


To divert everyone from today's depressing defeat, I offer some NU trivia I picked up this week, while reading Chris Matthews' wonderful new biography of JFK, entitled "Jack Kennedy--Elusive Hero".  At page 46 Matthews writes "In July [1941], Jack transferred to midhsipman's school at Northwestern University, and from there applied to the Motor Torpedo Boat Squadron Training Center in Melville, Rhode Island."  Thus, we can cast off our reputation as nurturing losers in Presidential races (e.g., Adlai Stevenson, George McGovern, Dick Gephardt) and claim JFK (however briefly) as our own.  Since he attended NU in the summer, maybe we can refer to him as our "Cherub".:-)

Wonder what dorm he lived in?

Go 'Cats!


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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 22:13:53 2011
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 04:13:53 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
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Morty told me at brunch today that Stanfords academic standards for athletes had dropped and ours were higher 

Also wondering if a prospective recruit  from Lake Forest academy has a lower GPA requirement than a public school under the thought that it may be more competitive than the average public school and therefore 0.2 could be compensated for  (assuming the information is accurate). And note I said average as I would bet Stuyvessant might be more competitive 

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Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:31:32 
To: Beamsley, Jeff<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak

Thanks for your thoughtful and well-reasoned post. Just to answer you, the
two 4-star recruits were Faith Ekatakie (from Lake Forest Academy), the #15
ranked defensive end in the country, and Abner Logan, the #24 ranked
linebacker in the country. Both would have filled positions of great need
for our team. They ended up committing to Iowa and Maryland respectively.
Ekatakie openly reported on the internet how much he wished he could have
gone to NU but apparently his GPA was 0.2 points too low.

I agree we don't want to change NU admission standards like many schools
but apparently these two were both "just missed" types who were just
outside the minimums. Stanford appears to have shown some increased
flexibility in admissions, to great results, and somehow their academic
reputation is intact.

In regards to our bowl location, a funny post on the Rivals Board from
today:

"Phillips to bowl committee...

P: Please pick NU. We are a plucky team that will lose to the local
powerhouse. Home crowd enjoys the wins. And we will sell out our
allotment...."





On Sat, Dec 31, 2011 at 2:03 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com>wrote:

>  Scott,
>
> OK
>
> I hate losing as much as anyone (ask my wife).
>
> Still, this is not the end of the world and it is certainly not Phillips
> "fault".  His job is to get us into the best bowl game that he can.  It's
> Fitz's job to win them.  If we continue this streak of qualifying for a
> bowl game every year, he will win one.
>
> We had a 6-6 team this year.
>
> We were 10 point dogs in this game and lost by 11.
>
> Mabin and Mafuli on the sidelines really hurt our D and our secondary
> couldn't hold up when we blitzed.  We played the run well, but didn't
> tackle well.
>
> Bolden got burned a couple of times and that made us more of a passing
> team which made it much easier for them to blitz.  We have seen that before
> this season.
>
> This was one of those games where we needed to play perfectly to win, and
> we didn't.
>
> It was also one of those games where we needed the refs to be perfect too,
> and they weren't.
>
> All of those things said, we STILL came back and made a game of it.  This
> game certainly helped our profile and our recruiting.  Who wouldn't want to
> play for Fitz?  Our kids showed heart and guts.  I hate that darn monkey,
> but what kid wouldn't buy into being one of the players who gets to tear it
> apart?
>
> As we have read in earlier posts, the admissions department is NOT the
> enemy.  Fitz recruits kids who have the academic talent to graduate as well
> as the athletic ability to play Div I football.  I don't know who these
> prospects are that you reference, but if they didn't have the grades or the
> exam scores, they are not going to be a good fit.
>
> Whenever you graduate a senior QB, it's always a rebuilding year, but
> Coulter will be fine next year.  There was the same concern when Persa
> replaced Kafka.  Persa hadn't looked all that great throwing the ball in
> his backup role to Kafka either, and then turns out to be one of the most
> accurate QB's in college FB.
>
> We also clearly have a running game - that's something that all of us have
> wished for in years past.
>
> Special teams have improved dramatically from years past.
>
> On D, we are playing the run better than we have in the past.  I think
> that our pass D will improve too, if only because we played a lot of
> underclassmen this year.
>
> Does that mean that we will be a 10-2 team next year?  I don't think so.
> But I think we WILL extend our bowl streak and get another shot at that
> monkey.  I've got a good feeling that it won't live to see the 2013 season.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of Scott Zeller, M.D.
> *Sent:* Sat 12/31/2011 4:05 PM
> *To:* NUSPORTS
>
> *Subject:* [NU Sports] may be a long time to break this streak
>
>  Next year is a major rebuilding project as we lose a lot of seniors, then
> our schedule gets really tough for the foreseeable future. Not scheduling
> many cupcakes anymore. Add that to our admissions office preventing at
> least two four-star recruits from committing to the team recently. We might
> not be back to a bowl for a long time, much less win one.
>
> Watched in San Francisco in a bar owned by an NU alum, with more than 100
> purple in attendance. I'm sure our fans would have packed AT&T Park today
> on a beautiful sunny day on the Bay, for a very winnable game against UCLA.
> Thanks a lot Mr Phillips, for doing all you did to "move us up" away from
> SF to a very difficult opponent in a much less attractive setting, when we
> could have been spanking the Bruins instead and ending this streak. As it
> is, there is no evidence of any Illinois presence in town, and none of
> their fans care (most of my family are Illini and none have any interest in
> the game).
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Dec 31 23:14:39 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:14:39 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] When I am 64 ....
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Bets he was an appartment house super off 3rd ave in midtown.

Why Im a Dodget fan still.

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Bats or bets?
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Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:07:15 
To: <neonrye at aol.com>; <AJWDBW at aol.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com>;  
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My grandfather was also Dodger fan. He thought he was in heaven and  
collected a lot of bats that year

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Hang in there Don.  I hope they do it for you.  

Now I know what my late father went through with his beloved Brooklyn  
Dodgers, where "Wait until next year" was the sad refrain for decades, as  
they couldn't get over the hump to win a World Series.  Then, at long last,   

in October, 1955, Johnny Podres beat the Yankees in Game 7, setting off wild  
 
celebrations in the County of Kings.  Like Martin Luther King we will get to  
 
the mountaintop, hopefully next year, when I will be 60.
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Sent: Dec 31, 2011 9:35 PM

I will be 84 so it had better be.
Don Williams C55
 
 
In a message dated 12/31/2011 5:41:02 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
thehaze at earthlink.net writes:

I turn  64 on my next birthday in June. So, next year is THE year! - Jim  B.


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Dec 31 23:21:11 2011
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (rstetson at capps-assoc.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 00:21:11 -0500
Subject: [NU Sports] Replay
Message-ID: <c784b3dc-a2ee-4ec5-8dae-08c38f54c461@blur>

Got to see end of game.

IMHO Persa plays 4th qtr and we win but Atm saw run wasnt working and went  
back to the pass.

That is adjusting.

And Atm was a lot quicker than we are.

Faster ans stronger was the old mantra. Along with speed kills on D

Rsl

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec 31 23:25:32 2011
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2012 05:25:32 +0000
Subject: [NU Sports] Replay
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And taller--especially No. 8--Fuller.
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Sent: Jan 1, 2012 12:21 AM

Got to see end of game.

IMHO Persa plays 4th qtr and we win but Atm saw run wasnt working and went  
back to the pass.

That is adjusting.

And Atm was a lot quicker than we are.

Faster ans stronger was the old mantra. Along with speed kills on D

Rsl

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