From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov  1 05:09:35 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  1 05:09:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Post-game thought
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I went to the game and was proud how we hung in there. No question without kafka we could hardly make a first down thus leaving the D on the field too long.  You don't get burnt by 2 huge plays and a 25 yard pass play without just being too tired.  Would we had won with him ? Perhaps perhaps not but I bet it would have been close

Harry
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From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 19:32:31 
To: Scott Zeller<scottzel@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Post-game thought

I agree, when Persa came into the game, the passing game obviously
suffered.  PSU brought their D up to take out the short passing game, and
Persa didn't have time to go deep, so that was that.  Before that, though,
the offense was moving the ball well.

The D also did a nice job minus the two back-to-back plays when they were
deceived and let PSU rack up long TDs.  I was a bit surprised because I
expected that to be the way it looked all day.

Next week will be interesting; Iowa is definitely vulnerable although NU
can't afford any mistakes (once again).

Also, the game atmosphere was good today, it was too bad the stands weren't
completely full.

Jonathan

On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com> wrote:

> I really wonder how the game would have turned out had Kafka not gone down.
> NU was clicking on all cylinders prior to that. Still held them till the
> 4th, but the defense can't be expected to keep a team like PSU in check
> when
> every offensive series is a 3-and-out with a punt to midfield. The D was
> gassed at the end, and who can blame them? They rarely had a chance to
> rest.
>
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <
> Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com> wrote:
>
> > Yech.
> >
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov  1 08:04:44 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  1 08:05:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Post-Mortem
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It was a pretty dense crowd------Original Message------From: neonrye@aol.comSender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.comSubject: [NU Sports] Post-MortemSent: Oct 31, 2009 7:34 PM

I watched game at Sports Bar in Westchester County with some other alums (a new NU Club of NY tradition that started today).  Unfortunately, there was no sound on the TV, so it took some time for me to realize that Kafka was out for the game.  I assume he pulled a hammy or quad--never did hear what the injury was.
The good:  We played very tough and poised for 3 quarters, and really would have had a chance if our QB didn't go down.
The bad:  No "O" in Second Half; little protection for Persa, and his inability to pick up second and third options or to get rid of ball before going down.
The good:  Persa is one fast athlete.  He is intriguing for the future, although his lack of size worries me, along with, as noted, the happy feet.
The very bad:  While the NU fans looked good and frenzied on the tube (as I said, I could not hear them), the sparse crowd really worries me.  We used to pack the house for Joe Pa.  I can't imagine we had more than 30,000 today, if that--for a nationally televised, under-the-lights, Halloween Purplelapooza event vs. one of top teams and attractions in Big Ten and in the country.  If we can't get a better crowd under these conditions--with decent weather to boot--I fear that maybe the conference will begin to think we are not holding up our end of the "bargain".  We simply are not drawing enough fans, and the visuals on TV are awful.  As I write this I am watcdhing Oregon hosting USC at Autzen--packed house; Minny hosting MSU--full boat; Tennessee sticking it to Spurrier's Gamecocks--the usual 100,000 plus at Rocky Top.  And yet up the Lake from the thrid largest city in the nation we have nowhere near capacity--in "intimate" Ryan Field.  This trend is very, very troublesome.  Our "crowds" make it appear that we compete in the MAC, not the Big Ten.
More bad:  With Illinois' rout of Wolverines the game in 2 weeks now looks, at best, like a "push"--and that's only if Kafka can play--and at top level.  Next week has the potential for looking like the Alamo--and I am not talking about the Bowl or the Stadium--given our offensive inefficiency after Kafka went down.  Our bowl hopes are teetering.  Meanwhile, Minny is now up 14-0 on Spartans, who are well into their annual swoon.    It's tough to figure who will end up as bowl-eligible.  Even Michigan is currently "on the bubble" after today's disaster.
Paul Levinson
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  1 08:32:05 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sun Nov  1 08:32:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The .500 Club
Message-ID: <351794.9380.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Ok, I'm one of the people who failed to turn back my clock so I have an extra hour this morning, forgive me. Based on Michigan's loss and MSU's loss yesterday there is a traffic jam on the way to 6-6 in the Big Ten this year. I feel like Tim Russert working his white board on election night in 2000. 

Minnesota (5-4):        lose to Illinois, beat South Dakota State, lose @ Iowa ----------------- finish 6-6
MSU (4-5):                beat Western Michigan, win @ Purdue, lose to Penn State ----------- finish 6-6
Northwestern (5-4):   lose @ Iowa, win @ Illinois, lose to Wisconsin --------------------------- finish 6-6
Michigan (5-4):          win @ Purdue, lose @ Wisconsin, lose to Ohio State ------------------ finish 6-6
Indiana (4-5):               beat Wisconsin, lose @ Penn State, beat Purdue ----------------------- finish 6-6

This would leave Illinois (3-9) and Purdue (3-9) out in the cold. 

Granted, Illinois beating Minnesota is remote, Purdue losing its last three is unlikely, and Indiana beating Wisconsin doesn't seem probably, BUT it could happen. This would leave the Big Ten with 9 'bowl eligible' teams and no doubt NU watching from home because of our poor attendance and small alumni base. 

Now if Purdue rallies to become the Boiler Spoiler, they could beat Michigan, Michigan State, and Indiana thereby pushing all three over the edge to a losing record and being 6-6 themselves. 

Go Cats!
Jim


      

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 08:55:20 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov  1 08:56:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The .500 Club
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Actually, I don't find your scenario that far fetched.  Now, the chances of
ALL of that happening so that the Big Ten ends up with 5 .500 teams is low,
but possible.  The problem is that all of the Big Ten teams outside of the
top 4 could beat any of the others any given week.  Don't even count
Illinois or Purdue out of the picture right now (although one more loss for
either team would eliminate them).

The key for NU is getting that 6th win (or 7th to absolutely guarantee a
bowl), which will be a difficult task (since NU will likely be an underdog
in all 3 now that Illinois has decided to start playing).  After that, I
guess we'll have to wait and see what happens because as you described, some
interesting scenarios could emerge.

Jonathan

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Ok, I'm one of the people who failed to turn back my clock so I have an
> extra hour this morning, forgive me. Based on Michigan's loss and MSU's loss
> yesterday there is a traffic jam on the way to 6-6 in the Big Ten this year.
> I feel like Tim Russert working his white board on election night in 2000.
>
> Minnesota (5-4):        lose to Illinois, beat South Dakota State, lose @
> Iowa ----------------- finish 6-6
> MSU (4-5):                beat Western Michigan, win @ Purdue, lose to Penn
> State ----------- finish 6-6
> Northwestern (5-4):   lose @ Iowa, win @ Illinois, lose to Wisconsin
> --------------------------- finish 6-6
> Michigan (5-4):          win @ Purdue, lose @ Wisconsin, lose to Ohio State
> ------------------ finish 6-6
> Indiana (4-5):               beat Wisconsin, lose @ Penn State, beat Purdue
> ----------------------- finish 6-6
>
> This would leave Illinois (3-9) and Purdue (3-9) out in the cold.
>
> Granted, Illinois beating Minnesota is remote, Purdue losing its last three
> is unlikely, and Indiana beating Wisconsin doesn't seem probably, BUT it
> could happen. This would leave the Big Ten with 9 'bowl eligible' teams and
> no doubt NU watching from home because of our poor attendance and small
> alumni base.
>
> Now if Purdue rallies to become the Boiler Spoiler, they could beat
> Michigan, Michigan State, and Indiana thereby pushing all three over the
> edge to a losing record and being 6-6 themselves.
>
> Go Cats!
> Jim
>
>
>
>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Nov  1 09:19:08 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun Nov  1 09:19:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The .500 Club
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All depends on Kafka. He plays against Ill at or near 100%, we should  
win.

Jeff

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On Nov 1, 2009, at 9:57 AM, "Jonathan Hodges"  
<jonathanwhodges@gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, I don't find your scenario that far fetched.  Now, the  
> chances of
> ALL of that happening so that the Big Ten ends up with 5 .500 teams  
> is low,
> but possible.  The problem is that all of the Big Ten teams outside  
> of the
> top 4 could beat any of the others any given week.  Don't even count
> Illinois or Purdue out of the picture right now (although one more  
> loss for
> either team would eliminate them).
>
> The key for NU is getting that 6th win (or 7th to absolutely  
> guarantee a
> bowl), which will be a difficult task (since NU will likely be an  
> underdog
> in all 3 now that Illinois has decided to start playing).  After  
> that, I
> guess we'll have to wait and see what happens because as you  
> described, some
> interesting scenarios could emerge.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, I'm one of the people who failed to turn back my clock so I  
>> have an
>> extra hour this morning, forgive me. Based on Michigan's loss and  
>> MSU's loss
>> yesterday there is a traffic jam on the way to 6-6 in the Big Ten  
>> this year.
>> I feel like Tim Russert working his white board on election night  
>> in 2000.
>>
>> Minnesota (5-4):        lose to Illinois, beat South Dakota State,  
>> lose @
>> Iowa ----------------- finish 6-6
>> MSU (4-5):                beat Western Michigan, win @ Purdue, lose  
>> to Penn
>> State ----------- finish 6-6
>> Northwestern (5-4):   lose @ Iowa, win @ Illinois, lose to Wisconsin
>> --------------------------- finish 6-6
>> Michigan (5-4):          win @ Purdue, lose @ Wisconsin, lose to  
>> Ohio State
>> ------------------ finish 6-6
>> Indiana (4-5):               beat Wisconsin, lose @ Penn State,  
>> beat Purdue
>> ----------------------- finish 6-6
>>
>> This would leave Illinois (3-9) and Purdue (3-9) out in the cold.
>>
>> Granted, Illinois beating Minnesota is remote, Purdue losing its  
>> last three
>> is unlikely, and Indiana beating Wisconsin doesn't seem probably,  
>> BUT it
>> could happen. This would leave the Big Ten with 9 'bowl eligible'  
>> teams and
>> no doubt NU watching from home because of our poor attendance and  
>> small
>> alumni base.
>>
>> Now if Purdue rallies to become the Boiler Spoiler, they could beat
>> Michigan, Michigan State, and Indiana thereby pushing all three  
>> over the
>> edge to a losing record and being 6-6 themselves.
>>
>> Go Cats!
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  1 10:36:55 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov  1 10:37:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Morning after report ...
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Well, the usual report is a bit late this weekend because I was able to make it back for the game yesterday. And for those who think living in the desert may have thinned my blood a bit, I'll have you know I was in short sleeves the whole game and stayed until the end!:)

Still, nice to be back in sunny Phoenix. As for the game ...

For three quarters, it sure looked like Fitz was about to get that elusive "big win." All the pieces were there - a big-name, highly ranked foe on national TV, a night game, a jacked-up crowd, a pumped-up sideline ...

But then reality set in - and it really goes back to the Kafka injury. I didn't see him limp off the field, so I thought the first Persa series was the normal rotation ... but then it became obvious Kafka was not coming back.

Too bad, because the Cats were playing absolutely inspired football the first half. The D shut down their running game and held them to a FG on what could have been a disastrous fumble the opening series. Kafka was making some nice moves and keeping their defense off balance. At half, we were up small on the scoreboard and big in the stats and clearly winning the game.

The third quarter, we held on through sheer will of the D -- it was just electric to see Fitz leaping 4-5 feet in the air on the sidelines with his fist pumped on defensive series (get that man a helmet!) and that energy was translating over to the players as Wootton and other D leaders were bouncing and pumping each other up during the third to hang on to that lead.

But you could literally see that energy drain a bit each time the offense came on the field for another dreadful 3-and-out. I won't put the blame entirely on Persa (lack of a run game hurt), but he needs to have better pocket presence. Especially after PSU did creep up and crowd the line. I will say that on the one play Persa escaped for a run, he was F-A-S-T BLAZIN' FAST! The crowd was taken aback by how quickly he galloped for those 30 or so yards. So maybe our play calls weren't using his talents enough on offense?

And it wasn't just the offense - our special teams were, to quote Sir Charles, TRRBL, just TRRRRIBL yesterday. The fumbled punts, the weak punts on our end, the blocked field goal, the woeful returns.

You could just see the defense wearing down, knowing they couldn't hold off PSU for much longer without help and when the Nits struck in the fourth, it was quick and deadly. I thought JoePa was piling it on trying that deep bomb up 34-13 with six or so minutes left, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

So we're still looking for that big win for Fitz - it wasn't lack of fire on our coach or defense that cost us Saturday - it was that darn injury bug again, aided by special teams woes and lack of a run game. Sure would have liked to see what that fourth quarter would have been like with Kafka.

About the only other memorable thing was how in an effort to tick off the stadium neighbors even more, we set off their car alarms with a fireworks show after a night game. Invite the Badger Band to do a parade down Central Ave. and that might finally drive 'em to move out and we can expand parking!:)

Seriously, though, I'm sick of talking attendance. The south end zone was woefully sparse again, but if the people of Evanston and Chicago can't start coming, I'm just about to the point of saying "forget 'em!" NU had extra trick-or-treating at Wildcat Alley, fireworks after the game, a good clash of solid teams in what was a thrilling game for three quarters. What else do they want???

So anyway, good to see the gorgeous fall colors on campus and good to see old friends ... it was all treats for awhile, but ended with the trick being played on us. Losing to PSU is nothing to hang heads over and we know we can compete with them - we just couldn't get Kafka back and came apart on offense and special teams late.

Around the league ...

* OHIO STATE ... yawn ... but now things pick up with two HUGE games at PSU and against Iowa. Win next week and the Buckeyes play for a trip to a USC-less Rose Bowl in the Shoe against the Hog-eyes, but lose and you send Iowa to Pasadena while also making PSU a strong B(C)S candidate.

* WISCONSIN is either getting better in a hurry after the bye week or PURDUE is just tired of coming up short. Either way, ouch.

* Did anyone really think INDIANA was going to win? IOWA is like a spider luring you into their trap. And they are a darn good football team. If they win in the Shoe in two weeks, they deserve consideration for Pasadena - a week after the Rose Bowl.

* We all knew ILLINOIS had too much talent to go winless the rest of the way ... now we just have to hope it was a one-time deal (or at least for Big Ten games - I'd love to see them wax Cincinnati). As for MICHIGAN, RichRod's starting to see a bowl bid slip away. The Motor City Bowl always dreamed of inviting Sparty ... the Wolverines would be beyond their wildest dreams - until RichRod came!

* And the nightcap looks like it was wild -- so much for the cold outdoors keeping down scoring. Between RichRod and Dantoni, the state of Michigan leads America in scowls and Dantoni is also watching postseason hopes slip away. Kudos to Minny for rallying while Decker was injured.

And the latest bowl projections ...

* TITLE: Florida vs. Texas - It's theirs to lose at this point
* ROSE: Iowa vs. Oregon - Now this is a game I'd pay to see!
* ORANGE: Penn State vs. Georgia Tech - Probably comes down to the Irish and Nits for this spot and how can you leave 11-1 JoePa and all those fans at home for a team that lost to Michigan? 
* SUGAR: Alabama vs. Cincinnati - Yawn. Just go ahead and start chanting "SEC! SEC! SEC!" now Bama fans so you forget how meaningless that chant was in New Orleans last year.
* FIESTA: USC vs. Boise State - No one wept more at the Ducks win than the Irish - as they saw their BCS hopes take a hit as the Fiesta jumps at the chance to bring the SC fans over from Cali for a date in the desert with the giant-killers from Boise.

* CITRUS: Wisconsin vs. Tennessee - Say what you want about Lane, he's a self-promoter and with Ole Miss' slide, the Cotton wants LSU so the Citrus folk invite Rocky Top back to their old stomping grounds.
* OUTBACK: Ohio State vs. Georgia - Both teams would be a bit disappointed to be in Tampa.

And now we get to Jim's ACC-like cluster of 6-6 teams -- the only one likely to escape is Minnesota, who should finish 7-5 barring upset. So ...

* CHAMPS: Minnesota vs. ACC TBA - Draw straws for their foe, but if the Gophs escape the 6-6 mess, they head here.

* ALAMO: Michigan vs. Nebraska - The most attractive of the 6-win teams is obviously the big name, so San Antonio gets them and matches them against one of the Big XII's big names.

* INSIGHT: Michigan State vs. Kansas - The Motor City folk will beg and plead, but I think Sparty would be chosen ahead of us.

* MOTOR CITY: Northwestern vs. Central Michigan - We gotta beat the Illini.

Gonna get some rest - lots of positives early yesterday, lots of frustration late. But for 2+ quarters, this one had the look of one of those great games of recent years with NU fans and players pumped up, the opposing coach pacing in frustration and concern and upset was in the air for the national TV audience under the lights. Maybe we can shock Iowa while they're looking ahead to the Bucknuts.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  1 12:22:33 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Nov  1 12:22:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Attendance
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Does anyone else think that $50 a pop for tickets for a team that (sorry, will be brutal here) has not won a league title since 2000 or a bowl game since 1949 is too much money? 

I know, tickets are cheaper bought by season plans, etc. But still. 

Bw
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov  1 12:35:28 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov  1 12:35:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Post-Mortem 
Message-ID: <200911011835.nA1IZS7L030390@romaine.tssi.com>

> Like I've said numerous times and we've discussed a ton on this list, the
> attendance issue is the biggest problem facing NU football right now, and
> there is no easy fix.  

Chicago is not really a great sports ATTENDANCE town, especially for a team that
doesn't do well.  The Sox averaged just under 70% of capacity this past season.  (The
Cubs were at 96%, but I recall all too well the years when 5000 was a good crowd for
a mid-week day game at Wrigley.)

About the only Chicago team with a long history of always packing the house regardless 
of how the team does is the Bears.  

I believe that most of the college sports teams in Chicago draw poorly.  
--
Mike Nolan

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  1 12:37:03 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Nov  1 12:37:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
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I watched a lot of college football yesterday and in comparison to everybody else -- even teams such as Temple -- NU's lack of explosiveness is positively startling. 

Big plays win games -- look at Iowa, PSU, Minnesota, Temple, Texas, Rutgers, and Oregon yesterday. NU has very little such capacity; that is why Brewer's long TD against Indiana stood out so much. 

I strongly believe this is an aspect of the game that NU has to fix asap. The return game produces little. What is NU's longest run of the year? 

Somehow this needs to be fixed. 

Brad Wilson
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 12:50:46 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov  1 12:51:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Attendance
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I've thought that high ticket prices are one of the obstacles for NU
increasing football attendance.  This is especially true for families who
typically have 4+ tickets to buy.  I know that there have been a ton of
promos this year (including $35 end zone seats and even half price tickets
for the PSU game with an online coupon code this past week), but seeing that
high price tag drives many causal fans away who would otherwise drop by for
a day-of-the-game purchase.

I know that one reason for the high prices is that NU can reap the revenue
from the opposition's fans who come into town (especially for the likes of
PSU, OSU, and Michigan), but outside of those games the price is a big
obstacle for bringing in fans.

Be that as it may, Tracy Hitz (NU athletic deptarment marketing lead) has
been interviewed this year and has stated that pricing studies have shown
that reducing the ticket prices won't necessarily bring in enough fans to
make up for the lost revenue from the lower prices.  After reading some of
these interviews and hearing from people on the inside, the NU athletic
department is doing all it can with the resources it has to bring in fans
(the SPAC tailgate was hopping, with help from the NU athletic department,
and they've been running a ton of promos this year) and it would be worth
noting for those who keep stating that "NU marketing sucks" on this and
other internet discussions.

In any case I think the attendance answer can be helped by reduced ticket
prices in some situations (i.e. nonconference games), along with a slew of
other actions.  The problem is that the issue is complex and will require a
complex set of solutions over a period of time - there is no magic bullet.

Jonathan


On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM, <bwdolphin146@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Does anyone else think that $50 a pop for tickets for a team that (sorry,
> will be brutal here) has not won a league title since 2000 or a bowl game
> since 1949 is too much money?
>
> I know, tickets are cheaper bought by season plans, etc. But still.
>
> Bw
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  1 12:54:58 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sun Nov  1 12:55:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Attendance
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It absolutely is too high. NU needs to do something about this. I know that we want to get full price from as many visiting PSU, Michigan, and tOSU fans as possible, but that doesn't mean we can't lower the price for some tickets in order to attract the casual fan. 

Most of the visiting fans are determined to see their team. Either it's the one time every two years that their team is playing in Chicago (where they live) or they are making a trip to Chicago (so plans are made in advance). Either way, you pretty much have your $50 tickets sold 72 hours before kickoff. You could try other gimmicks, but you could simply say 72-48 before the game the price drops to $30, 48-24 hours before the game the price is $20, and 24-0 hours before the game it's $10 a seat. 

Jim




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Does anyone else think that $50 a pop for tickets for a team that (sorry, will be brutal here) has not won a league title since 2000 or a bowl game since 1949 is too much money? 

I know, tickets are cheaper bought by season plans, etc. But still. 

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Nov  1 12:57:46 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  1 12:57:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Attendance
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Way too expensive, let students and one guest in for free, $10 youth, $20  
endzone and corner, and $50 sideline with season tickets at $40 per might 
make  it more better if not crowded.
 
Does anyone else think that $50 a pop for tickets for a team that (sorry,  
will be brutal here) has not won a league title since 2000 or a bowl game 
since  1949 is too much money? 

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 12:57:17 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov  1 12:58:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Post-Mortem
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I mentioned some attendance notes in my last email, so sorry if I'm
inundating the listserv with messages, but I felt this warranted a response.

It's not that NU attendance is bad, but the fact is that it's getting worse,
despite fielding a competitive team over the last 15 years or so (and, on
occasion, a pretty good to great team).

I realize that we'll never see NU regularly hitting 90%+ capacity in a
50,000 seat stadium, but it would be nice to eclipse 60% regularly.  Instead
we're barely seeing 50% and getting sub-20,000 numbers for any non-name
opponents.

Even in the Dark Ages of NU football, attendance numbers never dipped this
low (someone with attendance numbers dating back about 40 years told me that
NU attendance hadn't dipped below 20,000 from the late 1970's through 2006.
>From 2007 through this season, NU has failed to reach 20,000 FIVE times).

Another part of the problem is that Chicago is a pro sports oriented town,
and a "fair weather" one at that (although the Cubs & Bears now regularly
sell out their games).

For those who just say "win more" the problem is that NU has been doing that
(especially relative to the 70's-80's period) but attendance hasn't
followed.

Jonathan

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:

> > Like I've said numerous times and we've discussed a ton on this list, the
> > attendance issue is the biggest problem facing NU football right now, and
> > there is no easy fix.
>
> Chicago is not really a great sports ATTENDANCE town, especially for a team
> that
> doesn't do well.  The Sox averaged just under 70% of capacity this past
> season.  (The
> Cubs were at 96%, but I recall all too well the years when 5000 was a good
> crowd for
> a mid-week day game at Wrigley.)
>
> About the only Chicago team with a long history of always packing the house
> regardless
> of how the team does is the Bears.
>
> I believe that most of the college sports teams in Chicago draw poorly.
> --
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 13:00:22 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov  1 13:00:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
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> I strongly believe this is an aspect of the game that NU has to fix asap.
> The return game produces little. What is NU's longest run of the year?
>

Longest run of the year is 25 yards (both Fields and Persa have matched that
number).


>
> Somehow this needs to be fixed.
>

I agree NU needs more explosiveness, but the problem is that the offense is
designed to move the ball slowly and surely down the field and hit a big
play when it's open.  We've seen some long pass plays work when defenses
focus on the short game, but the problem is that the running game just isn't
there (Kafka is the team's leading rusher) - partly due to the RB
situation/injuries and partly due to the OL's lack of success.

Jonathan
From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 13:35:48 2009
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Date: Sun Nov  1 13:41:14 2009
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Itls all relative. ?Louisville, the worst BCS member team in the country, charges $40 but that price does not include the donation necessary to buy the ticket. ?Add in the donation and you're closer to $200 for seasonticket seats along the home field side of the stadium.
Mark


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bwdolphin146@yahoo.com wrote:

Does anyone else think that $50 a pop for tickets for a team that (sorry, will be brutal here) has not won a league title since 2000 or a bowl game since 1949 is too much money? 



I know, tickets are cheaper bought by season plans, etc. But still. 



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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Nov  1 14:17:25 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  1 14:17:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Attendance
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I think it is dumb to charge grad students for tickets, if I was paying  
Kellogg $40,000 a year I would expect a little consideration. An empty seat  
generates no revenue, and looks bad on TV.  Does the student section ever  
fill up? i.e. students are turned away?  
From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  1 14:24:06 2009
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I agree with Jonathan's larger point here. 

But I do believe it might be worth taking a short-term hit on revenue to develop the "habit" in people going to NU games. I developed that habit in very dark days (1984) in large part because the tickets were affordable (as was next-to-stadium parking)  for a young man without a lot of money and looking for something to do. 

We can agree on one sure way to pack the house: win. 

Brad Wilson
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Attendance

I've thought that high ticket prices are one of the obstacles for NU
increasing football attendance.  This is especially true for families who
typically have 4+ tickets to buy.  I know that there have been a ton of
promos this year (including $35 end zone seats and even half price tickets
for the PSU game with an online coupon code this past week), but seeing that
high price tag drives many causal fans away who would otherwise drop by for
a day-of-the-game purchase.

I know that one reason for the high prices is that NU can reap the revenue
from the opposition's fans who come into town (especially for the likes of
PSU, OSU, and Michigan), but outside of those games the price is a big
obstacle for bringing in fans.

Be that as it may, Tracy Hitz (NU athletic deptarment marketing lead) has
been interviewed this year and has stated that pricing studies have shown
that reducing the ticket prices won't necessarily bring in enough fans to
make up for the lost revenue from the lower prices.  After reading some of
these interviews and hearing from people on the inside, the NU athletic
department is doing all it can with the resources it has to bring in fans
(the SPAC tailgate was hopping, with help from the NU athletic department,
and they've been running a ton of promos this year) and it would be worth
noting for those who keep stating that "NU marketing sucks" on this and
other internet discussions.

In any case I think the attendance answer can be helped by reduced ticket
prices in some situations (i.e. nonconference games), along with a slew of
other actions.  The problem is that the issue is complex and will require a
complex set of solutions over a period of time - there is no magic bullet.

Jonathan


On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM, <bwdolphin146@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Does anyone else think that $50 a pop for tickets for a team that (sorry,
> will be brutal here) has not won a league title since 2000 or a bowl game
> since 1949 is too much money?
>
> I know, tickets are cheaper bought by season plans, etc. But still.
>
> Bw
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  1 14:39:06 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sun Nov  1 14:39:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
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> play when it's open.? We've seen some long pass plays
> work when defenses focus on the short game, but the problem is that the
> running game just isn't there (Kafka is the team's leading rusher) - partly due to the RB situation/injuries and partly due to the OL's lack of
> success.

Yep. And although our pass protection has been decent, it doesn't hold up very long, which I think is one of the reasons we've really leaned on quick (short) passes the last two years.

Another big issue is downfield blocking, which has generally been poor this year. That's where your big running plays (or short passes followed by long runs) come from. 

Granted, PSU has a very good defense, and has players who are good at avoiding or defeating blocks, but if you look at that game closely, we had a ton of plays blown up because one or more lineman or receiver *completely* whiffed on a downfield block assignments. It's easy to miss if you're just watching the ball, but it's been a huge problem this year. 

Tom


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  1 14:48:05 2009
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I agree that the lack of a running game is appalling. 

Oregon had 396 yards rushing yards last night against Southern Cal, just a dozen less than NU's top two rushers (Kafka and Fields) have all season combined. Ouch. 

To my mind big plays don't have to be passes as Evan Royster showed us Saturday. Big running plays out of the spread are very possible as DA2, Wright, Herron and Sutton all showed us. One of the reasons that I liked RW's version of the spread was that he set it up to run the ball first. 

It seems to me over the last couple of seasons NU has gone away from a spread-run first attack to a spread-pass first attack; remember the inexplicable neglect of Sutton for several games? 

I feel this is a design flaw in Coach McCall's offense. The big run plays played a huge role in the success of this offense and I think they need to come back any way McCall can make that happen 

It is surely true that a stud RB would help but Herron wasn't highly thought of as a recruit and we all know how that worked out.  I think this current batch of RBs could produce 50-yard runs. 

The receivers are a different matter; we don't have a true home run threat and we need one badly. Yards after catch are crucial. 

Brad Wilson


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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness

> I strongly believe this is an aspect of the game that NU has to fix asap.
> The return game produces little. What is NU's longest run of the year?
>

Longest run of the year is 25 yards (both Fields and Persa have matched that
number).


>
> Somehow this needs to be fixed.
>

I agree NU needs more explosiveness, but the problem is that the offense is
designed to move the ball slowly and surely down the field and hit a big
play when it's open.  We've seen some long pass plays work when defenses
focus on the short game, but the problem is that the running game just isn't
there (Kafka is the team's leading rusher) - partly due to the RB
situation/injuries and partly due to the OL's lack of success.

Jonathan

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  1 14:55:50 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Nov  1 14:55:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim's ticket idea ...
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Sounds awfully good to me. Some $$$ is better than $0 for empty seats. 

Brad Wilson
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Nov  1 21:42:22 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Nov  1 21:42:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
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> I feel this is a design flaw in Coach McCall's offense. The big run plays 
> played a huge role in the success of this offense and I think they need to 
> come back any way McCall can make that happen

Nonsense.  It's the absence of a good running back and a dominating 
offensive line.  I will agree that we should limit the outside runs because 
we lack the speed to turn the corner. 

From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Nov  1 22:58:39 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Nov  1 22:58:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Persa is not the answer for next year
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I also thought that Persa did a good job for someone who doesn't get the 
large number of snaps with the first team offense in practice.  So much 
of this offense is rhythm that second-string guys are at a pretty big 
disadvantage.  If the injury to Kafka is serious enough that Persa gets 
the majority of the snaps in practice, I expect a better performance 
against Iowa.

Jim Leonard wrote:
> I wasn't overly impressed by Persa's performance today, but I cannot judge his potential from what I saw. The O-line was awful tonight and he was basically running backwards once the snap arrived. I think he can win games for us if he has 2-3 seconds to find a receiver. I sure hope so, because if Kafka really did injure his hamstring, he's probably not going to play next week. 
>
> Go Cats!
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
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> Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 8:04:44 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] Persa is not the answer for next year
>
> I've now seen enough of Dan Persa to tell me that that he should not be our QB of the future. I sure hope Evan Watkins or the new recruit from Florida will step up. Persa is too small and seems too often to be lost out there. -- Jim B.
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov  1 23:15:28 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov  1 23:15:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Attendance
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> I think it is dumb to charge grad students for tickets, if I was paying  
> Kellogg $40,000 a year I would expect a little consideration. An empty seat  
> generates no revenue, and looks bad on TV.  Does the student section ever  
> fill up? i.e. students are turned away?  

What is the ticket policy for both graduate and undergraduate students 
these days?  When I was at NU (67-72) we got in just by showing our 
student IDs.  
--
Mike Nolan

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov  1 23:36:50 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov  1 23:37:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Attendance
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Starting in 2004, there is a mandatory athletics fee ($25 per year or
something like that) tacked on to undergrad tuition.  Students can then scan
their WildCard (ID) to get into any athletics event (including football &
basketball) for free.  It's general admission, which means that the first
5,000 or so get in for football (there's also a men's basketball maximum).
I know there were a few instances where undergrads had to be turned away
(Michigan '05) but typically there's enough room.

Grad students (along with recent alumni - who graduated within the past 5
years) can purchase half price season tickets for seats just north of the
student section (the seats are assigned).  This section was moved to the
south end zone for a couple of years but was moved back next to the student
section last year.

Prior to '04, students had to buy season tickets (they were relatively
cheap, about $8 per game), but the hassle was too much for some students to
get the tickets to go, hence the change in the policy (one that makes sense
and that I support).  I am guessing NU began charging for tickets sometime
in the 90's when demand went up, but I don't know.  (Also, some of the dates
may be off by a year or two, but you should get the general idea).

The thing is - many have noted this as well - that student attendance is
hardly the problem.  If NU students fill up their ~5,000 seat section (they
rarely fill it all the way but generally do a good job putting people in the
seats) then it's really just about 10% of total stadium capacity.  There's
not much anyone can do about the nonconference games prior to the start of
the academic year (besides switching to the semester system).  NU's
undergrad population is about 7,500-8,000, so getting 5,000 students to the
game is actually pretty good.

Jonathan

On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:

> > I think it is dumb to charge grad students for tickets, if I was paying
> > Kellogg $40,000 a year I would expect a little consideration. An empty
> seat
> > generates no revenue, and looks bad on TV.  Does the student section ever
> > fill up? i.e. students are turned away?
>
> What is the ticket policy for both graduate and undergraduate students
> these days?  When I was at NU (67-72) we got in just by showing our
> student IDs.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Mon Nov  2 06:09:07 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Mon Nov  2 06:12:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Attendance
Message-ID: <20091102.060907.25347.1@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

At NIU each student gets an extra ticket in the student section.  A co-worker brought a few friends and went to the game on his daugther's(and friends) tickets.

As for ticket prices don't change them.  We are low relative to the rest of the Big Ten and yet our costs are higher due to the "bribes" we have to pay Evanston.  The free non-conference tickets we received as season ticket holders went to good use so that added 3 bodies in the stands.

As pathetic as football attendance is wait until non-conference weekday basketball.  Ug-lee!

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Way too expensive, let students and one guest in for free, $10 youth, $20  
endzone and corner, and $50 sideline with season tickets at $40 per might 
make  it more better if not crowded.
 
Does anyone else think that $50 a pop for tickets for a team that (sorry,  
will be brutal here) has not won a league title since 2000 or a bowl game 
since  1949 is too much money? 


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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov  2 07:38:41 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Nov  2 07:39:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Attendance
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Just checked the Indiana site.  They are charging $50 for single seat
tickets for the Ohio State and Purdue games.

They are averaging 37K per game, but they also have an undergrad
population of 31K.

If we had the same undergrad population and they attended the games at
the same rate they do now, we would be over 30K per game too.

BTW, the last time Indiana won a BT football title was in 1967 (tied
with MN and Purdue).  They lost in the Rose Bowl that year to USC.  The
last bowl game they won was in 1991 when they defeated Baylor in the
Copper Bowl.  

As others have said, getting people in the seats in Evanston is not a
simple marketing problem.  

Stanford may the be the closest parallel to NU.  Expensive private
school in a major metropolitan area.  Small undergrad population. High
academic standards.  Conference dominated by a football powerhouse.
They just built a new stadium for $90M and are averaging around 30K per
game. If you spend any time on their blogs, you'll read much of the same
stuff about attendance that you read on this site.  BTW, their single
seat tickets range from $169 to $399.

Jeff




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To: bwdolphin146@yahoo.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Attendance

Way too expensive, let students and one guest in for free, $10 youth,
$20 endzone and corner, and $50 sideline with season tickets at $40 per
might make  it more better if not crowded.
 
Does anyone else think that $50 a pop for tickets for a team that
(sorry, will be brutal here) has not won a league title since 2000 or a
bowl game since  1949 is too much money? 

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Nov  2 08:30:46 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  2 08:31:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
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Too many are throwing out the mantra 'No RB's, lousy offensive line', and declaring the discussion closed.

If we have no RB's, why ?  What did we recruit ?  Did it not pan out ?  Why ?  Who recruited them ?  What did they see at that time ?  Where has the breakdown been ?  How can we make sure this doesn't happen going forward ?  RW used to have RB's in the pipeline - what is the current regime doing wrong ?

Again, if the O-Line stinks, why ?  I know you can't teach speed, explosiveness, moves, the other RB stuff, but you can teach O-Line play.  Where have we fallen short ?  Are the training facilities sub-standard ?  Or are the coaches not teaching O-Line play ?  Not enough weights ?

If coaches are to blame, then name names.  If they cant recruit, then point that out.  If they cant teach the position, then point that out.  If they cant pull it all together on gameday, then that should be pointed out.

Either somebody is not recruiting properly, or somebody is not teaching properly, or somebody can't handle the job on game day.  In any event, somebody should be answering questions about why they failed at their (well compensated) job.

Just repeating 'No RB, Lousy O-Line' endlessly implies that it was something evil spirits did to us, and we just have to fight on.  In reality it was problems with the coaches/recruiting/training, and those have to be fixed, or else the Fitz regime could be branded a 'No RB, Lousy O-Line' regime.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness


> I feel this is a design flaw in Coach McCall's offense. The big run plays > played a huge role in the success of this offense and I think they need to > come back any way McCall can make that happen 
 
Nonsense. It's the absence of a good running back and a dominating offensive line. I will agree that we should limit the outside runs because we lack the speed to turn the corner.  
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Nov  2 09:06:46 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  2 09:07:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Attendance (long rant, sorry)
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One possible reason for attendance problems - the worst customer service not only in football, but possibly in the entire consumer realm (Is football attendance allowed to be lousy, so that Kellogg professors will have a nearby lesson to teach on how NOT to behave in business ?)

My 'fun, exciting day of Wildcat football' started somewhat poorly when my West Lot pass was turned down - even though there were spaces back by Isabella, and several 'prominently displayed' Penn State tailgates were taking up more space than they needed to.  Also noted several cars without West Lot hangtags - or maybe they had all fallen of the rearview mirrors by accident.  We were directed to the practice field.  Not too bad, still a close walk to the stadium.

When I left the game, however, the World-Famous indifference of NU employees to the fans was on full display.  The passage ways on both sides of McGaw Hall that were open before the game were now blocked off.  The east-side passage was blocked off close to the stadium, so you could see you couldn't use it, but the west-side passage wasnt blocked off until the back of McGaw, and neither side had a sign or employee to direct patrons back to their cars, after the path had changed since the beginning of the game.  I saw several fans standing there puzzled - wondering how to get back to their cars.  Notably, I saw no NU employees or athletic department staffers to help these fans - the staffers were probably munching hors d'oeuvres in some skybox.  I could've probably slid under the gate at the back of McGaw hall, but a grim-faced guy in a yellow jacket looked ready to hassle me if I tried that...

Finally I had to walk over to Ashland and down to Isabella.  Of course, there is no sidewalk on Isabella (NU Athletics has chosen to plant bedraggled little trees on the parkway on Isabella), so you have to walk ON Isabella.  Finally you get back to the gate, which is blocked off by tarps (so no one steals any of McCall's innovative plays) and locked, reach through the middle to try and hail the two gatekeepers, then follow an obstacle course both to your car and out (so as not to destroy any more of the practice field, already a mess of mud and tire ruts).  Then wait for the gatekeepers to once again unlock the gate. Part of the all-day fun that we like to call 'a day of NU football'.

I have been to road games everywhere, in the conference and out - and almost all of them have a more efficient/better run football experience, from traffic control (most schools have good relations with their towns), directing you to and from parking, convenient gate access, etc.  NU drops the ball at almost every turn.

Thanks again, Mr AD, for overselling your West Lot - one wonders if subtle bribes are offered/accepted to get people without West Lot passes in there.  But that couldn't happen - not at a shrine to honor and integrity like Northwestern...

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

-----Original Message-----
From: mlinhardt@netzero.com <mlinhardt@netzero.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 6:09 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Attendance



At NIU each student gets an extra ticket in the student section.  A co-worker 
rought a few friends and went to the game on his daugther's(and friends) 
ickets.
As for ticket prices don't change them.  We are low relative to the rest of the 
ig Ten and yet our costs are higher due to the "bribes" we have to pay 
vanston.  The free non-conference tickets we received as season ticket holders 
ent to good use so that added 3 bodies in the stands.
As pathetic as football attendance is wait until non-conference weekday 
asketball.  Ug-lee!
---------- Original Message ----------
rom: MHRJGScott@aol.com
Way too expensive, let students and one guest in for free, $10 youth, $20  
ndzone and corner, and $50 sideline with season tickets at $40 per might 
ake  it more better if not crowded.

oes anyone else think that $50 a pop for tickets for a team that (sorry,  
ill be brutal here) has not won a league title since 2000 or a bowl game 
ince  1949 is too much money? 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  2 13:59:42 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov  2 13:59:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
In-Reply-To: <8CC29E03374B144-5664-9124@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>
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Gary Barnett's Line Coach, Tom Bratten used to preach that "It all starts on the Offensive
Line."

I stole that line, and anyone who has played for me knows the answer when I yell, "It all
starts..."

Very few running backs can shine when they are first hit in the backfield. You can't find the
hole because there is a linebacker in the way, or on the edge, or anywhere. Other teams
apparently know that you rush your 4 and send 2 LBs, one keys the QB, the other the RB, it is
easy to shut down the run when the two deep backs are covered.

Concannon looks good when they blow a seam for him, so does Simmons, compare them to State
Penn's big guy - he had open lanes in the 4th quarter and used them. 

But our offensive strategy is to chip away passing and the zone rushing play between guard and
tackle has disappeared because there is almost always a LB standing inside the line scrimmage
waiting for the RB. 

With that, I can't tell you any more on how to beat all this except that the old zone blocking
play had the tackle kick the outside guy one way, and the rest of the line take the front 4 or 5
the other. Walker's backs would scamper thru the seam created and even Tyrell enjoyed a lot more
success when that seam was opened.

So once again... It all Starts!

rsl 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
So...
     How's that "hope" and "Change"
     Working for ya?

Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of
cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 AM
To: tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness


Too many are throwing out the mantra 'No RB's, lousy offensive line', and declaring the
discussion closed.

If we have no RB's, why ?  What did we recruit ?  Did it not pan out ?  Why ?  Who recruited
them ?  What did they see at that time ?  Where has the breakdown been ?  How can we make sure
this doesn't happen going forward ?  RW used to have RB's in the pipeline - what is the current
regime doing wrong ?

Again, if the O-Line stinks, why ?  I know you can't teach speed, explosiveness, moves, the
other RB stuff, but you can teach O-Line play.  Where have we fallen short ?  Are the training
facilities sub-standard ?  Or are the coaches not teaching O-Line play ?  Not enough weights ?

If coaches are to blame, then name names.  If they cant recruit, then point that out.  If they
cant teach the position, then point that out.  If they cant pull it all together on gameday,
then that should be pointed out.

Either somebody is not recruiting properly, or somebody is not teaching properly, or somebody
can't handle the job on game day.  In any event, somebody should be answering questions about
why they failed at their (well compensated) job.

Just repeating 'No RB, Lousy O-Line' endlessly implies that it was something evil spirits did to
us, and we just have to fight on.  In reality it was problems with the
coaches/recruiting/training, and those have to be fixed, or else the Fitz regime could be
branded a 'No RB, Lousy O-Line' regime.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness


> I feel this is a design flaw in Coach McCall's offense. The big run plays > played a huge role
in the success of this offense and I think they need to > come back any way McCall can make that
happen 
 
Nonsense. It's the absence of a good running back and a dominating offensive line. I will agree
that we should limit the outside runs because we lack the speed to turn the corner.  
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  2 14:49:31 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov  2 14:49:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
Message-ID: <363977.16520.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> Gary Barnett's Line Coach, Tom Bratten used to preach that "It all starts on the Offensive Line."

Yep.

The other thing that struck me recently is that you really need all 5 guys getting it done at once, particularly on running plays. All it takes is one guy completely whiffing on his block--*especially* on a running play--and the whole thing is a bust, no matter what the other 4 guys accomplish. 

As for why, I'd attribute it mostly to the line being very young, at the position where you least like to have young starters. 

Tom

From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Nov  2 14:51:18 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  2 14:51:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
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Roy raises the question we have discussed somewhat in here - is an O-Line made, or is it born ?

Are we bringing in the right kind of guys that we can turn into O-Linemen that will work within our schemes ?

Do they have to be Parade All-Americans, or 5-star recruits, or can we consistantly find guys who can get bigger, get stronger, and learn the kind of line play that we need ?

Are our guys' current problems being too small ?  Not strong enough ?  Poor technique ?  Schemes that can't work ?

Can we assume that they were good blockers in high school, that they opened good holes ?  What did we see then that isn't working any more ?

Chuck Herron   Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: cherron604@aol.com; tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:59 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness



Gary Barnett's Line Coach, Tom Bratten used to preach that "It all starts on the 
ffensive
ine."
I stole that line, and anyone who has played for me knows the answer when I 
ell, "It all
tarts..."
Very few running backs can shine when they are first hit in the backfield. You 
an't find the
ole because there is a linebacker in the way, or on the edge, or anywhere. 
ther teams
pparently know that you rush your 4 and send 2 LBs, one keys the QB, the other 
he RB, it is
asy to shut down the run when the two deep backs are covered.
Concannon looks good when they blow a seam for him, so does Simmons, compare 
hem to State
enn's big guy - he had open lanes in the 4th quarter and used them. 
But our offensive strategy is to chip away passing and the zone rushing play 
etween guard and
ackle has disappeared because there is almost always a LB standing inside the 
ine scrimmage
aiting for the RB. 
With that, I can't tell you any more on how to beat all this except that the old 
one blocking
lay had the tackle kick the outside guy one way, and the rest of the line take 
he front 4 or 5
he other. Walker's backs would scamper thru the seam created and even Tyrell 
njoyed a lot more
uccess when that seam was opened.
So once again... It all Starts!
rsl 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
oy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
omputer Applications & Support Associates
------------------- Also ----------------------
ommissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
etired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
orthwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
hi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
ublisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
o...
    How's that "hope" and "Change"
    Working for ya?
Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
===============================================
-----Original Message-----
rom: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf 
f
herron604@aol.com
ent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 AM
o: tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
ubject: Re: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness

oo many are throwing out the mantra 'No RB's, lousy offensive line', and 
eclaring the
iscussion closed.
If we have no RB's, why ?  What did we recruit ?  Did it not pan out ?  Why ?  
ho recruited
hem ?  What did they see at that time ?  Where has the breakdown been ?  How 
an we make sure
his doesn't happen going forward ?  RW used to have RB's in the pipeline - what 
s the current
egime doing wrong ?
Again, if the O-Line stinks, why ?  I know you can't teach speed, explosiveness, 
oves, the
ther RB stuff, but you can teach O-Line play.  Where have we fallen short ?  
re the training
acilities sub-standard ?  Or are the coaches not teaching O-Line play ?  Not 
nough weights ?
If coaches are to blame, then name names.  If they cant recruit, then point that 
ut.  If they
ant teach the position, then point that out.  If they cant pull it all together 
n gameday,
hen that should be pointed out.
Either somebody is not recruiting properly, or somebody is not teaching 
roperly, or somebody
an't handle the job on game day.  In any event, somebody should be answering 
uestions about
hy they failed at their (well compensated) job.
Just repeating 'No RB, Lousy O-Line' endlessly implies that it was something 
vil spirits did to
s, and we just have to fight on.  In reality it was problems with the
oaches/recruiting/training, and those have to be fixed, or else the Fitz regime 
ould be
randed a 'No RB, Lousy O-Line' regime.
Chuck Herron   Tech '85

----Original Message-----
rom: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
o: nwu-sports@tssi.com
ent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:42 pm
ubject: Re: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness

 I feel this is a design flaw in Coach McCall's offense. The big run plays > 
layed a huge role
n the success of this offense and I think they need to > come back any way 
cCall can make that
appen 

onsense. It's the absence of a good running back and a dominating offensive 
ine. I will agree
hat we should limit the outside runs because we lack the speed to turn the 
orner.  
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  2 14:58:03 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov  2 14:57:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
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One problem that offensive linemen have to face in college (or as they move to the pros) is that
the defenders they face are faster and quicker than anything they've seen before.

 

That is one reason why you rarely see even RS Sophs playing one of the 4 up front positions, and
centers are sometimes exempt from the rule, but still you like to see at least 2 years on the
team before you throw them into the fray.

 

Our O-line are all RS-Sophs or younger. 

 

FWIW - they will be fine next year, and the year after that, but right now they are learning
hard lessons and our backs are paying for it.

 

rsl

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.

Computer Applications & Support Associates

-------------------- Also ----------------------

Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball

Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]

Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968

Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)

==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

So...

     How's that "hope" and "Change"

     Working for ya?

 

Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!

================================================

 

From: cherron604@aol.com [mailto:cherron604@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:51 PM
To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness

 

Roy raises the question we have discussed somewhat in here - is an O-Line made, or is it born ?

 

Are we bringing in the right kind of guys that we can turn into O-Linemen that will work within
our schemes ?

 

Do they have to be Parade All-Americans, or 5-star recruits, or can we consistantly find guys
who can get bigger, get stronger, and learn the kind of line play that we need ?

 

Are our guys' current problems being too small ?  Not strong enough ?  Poor technique ?  Schemes
that can't work ?

 

Can we assume that they were good blockers in high school, that they opened good holes ?  What
did we see then that isn't working any more ?

 

Chuck Herron   Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: cherron604@aol.com; tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 1:59 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness

Gary Barnett's Line Coach, Tom Bratten used to preach that "It all starts on the 
Offensive
Line."
 
I stole that line, and anyone who has played for me knows the answer when I 
yell, "It all
starts..."
 
Very few running backs can shine when they are first hit in the backfield. You 
can't find the
hole because there is a linebacker in the way, or on the edge, or anywhere. 
Other teams
apparently know that you rush your 4 and send 2 LBs, one keys the QB, the other 
the RB, it is
easy to shut down the run when the two deep backs are covered.
 
Concannon looks good when they blow a seam for him, so does Simmons, compare 
them to State
Penn's big guy - he had open lanes in the 4th quarter and used them. 
 
But our offensive strategy is to chip away passing and the zone rushing play 
between guard and
tackle has disappeared because there is almost always a LB standing inside the 
line scrimmage
waiting for the RB. 
 
With that, I can't tell you any more on how to beat all this except that the old 
zone blocking
play had the tackle kick the outside guy one way, and the rest of the line take 
the front 4 or 5
the other. Walker's backs would scamper thru the seam created and even Tyrell 
enjoyed a lot more
success when that seam was opened.
 
So once again... It all Starts!
 
rsl 
 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
So...
     How's that "hope" and "Change"
     Working for ya?
 
Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
================================================
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
<mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com?> ] On Behalf 
Of
cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 9:31 AM
To: tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
 
 
Too many are throwing out the mantra 'No RB's, lousy offensive line', and 
declaring the
discussion closed.
 
If we have no RB's, why ?  What did we recruit ?  Did it not pan out ?  Why ?  
Who recruited
them ?  What did they see at that time ?  Where has the breakdown been ?  How 
can we make sure
this doesn't happen going forward ?  RW used to have RB's in the pipeline - what 
is the current
regime doing wrong ?
 
Again, if the O-Line stinks, why ?  I know you can't teach speed, explosiveness, 
moves, the
other RB stuff, but you can teach O-Line play.  Where have we fallen short ?  
Are the training
facilities sub-standard ?  Or are the coaches not teaching O-Line play ?  Not 
enough weights ?
 
If coaches are to blame, then name names.  If they cant recruit, then point that 
out.  If they
cant teach the position, then point that out.  If they cant pull it all together 
on gameday,
then that should be pointed out.
 
Either somebody is not recruiting properly, or somebody is not teaching 
properly, or somebody
can't handle the job on game day.  In any event, somebody should be answering 
questions about
why they failed at their (well compensated) job.
 
Just repeating 'No RB, Lousy O-Line' endlessly implies that it was something 
evil spirits did to
us, and we just have to fight on.  In reality it was problems with the
coaches/recruiting/training, and those have to be fixed, or else the Fitz regime 
could be
branded a 'No RB, Lousy O-Line' regime.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 9:42 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
 
 
> I feel this is a design flaw in Coach McCall's offense. The big run plays > 
played a huge role
in the success of this offense and I think they need to > come back any way 
McCall can make that
happen 
 
Nonsense. It's the absence of a good running back and a dominating offensive 
line. I will agree
that we should limit the outside runs because we lack the speed to turn the 
corner.  
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Nov  2 15:14:50 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Nov  2 15:14:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
References: <1156281508-1257100622-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2041603787-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry><fcb3ee270911011100l37beef69xc6069e3d918ab48@mail.gmail.com><172245175-1257108485-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1848162042-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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Too many are throwing out the mantra 'No RB's, lousy offensive line', and declaring the discussion closed.
  If we have no RB's, why ?  What did we recruit ?  Did it not pan out ?  Why ?  Who recruited them ?  What did they see at that time ?  Where has the breakdown been ?  How can we make sure this doesn't happen going forward ?  RW used to have RB's in the pipeline - what is the current regime doing wrong ?

  Again, if the O-Line stinks, why ?  I know you can't teach speed, explosiveness, moves, the other RB stuff, but you can teach O-Line play.  Where have we fallen short ?  Are the training facilities sub-standard ?  Or are the coaches not teaching O-Line play ?  Not enough weights ?

  If coaches are to blame, then name names.  If they cant recruit, then point that out.  If they cant teach the position, then point that out.  If they cant pull it all together on gameday, then that should be pointed out.

  Either somebody is not recruiting properly, or somebody is not teaching properly, or somebody can't handle the job on game day.  In any event, somebody should be answering questions about why they failed at their (well compensated) job.

  Just repeating 'No RB, Lousy O-Line' endlessly implies that it was something evil spirits did to us, and we just have to fight on.  In reality it was problems with the coaches/recruiting/training, and those have to be fixed, or else the Fitz regime could be branded a 'No RB, Lousy O-Line' regime.

  Chuck Herron   Tech '85


  Hey, Chuck!  If I see you wearing a pair of bright, orange pants covered with purple checks, I will say, "Chuck, those are one ugly pair of pants."  Do I need to delve into the manufacturer's marketing skills or the psychology of why you feel a need to draw attention to yourself?  Nah!  I'm just going to tell you how hideous those pants are.  If we don't provide a reason for NU's offensive shortcomings, does that mean NU really has good running backs and OL and that we're all misguided?
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  2 15:25:36 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov  2 15:25:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
In-Reply-To: <003701ca5bff$2b59bd50$820d37f0$@com>
Message-ID: <129134.97044.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> That is one reason why you rarely see even RS Sophs playing
> one of the 4 up front positions, and centers are sometimes exempt from the rule, but still you like to see at least 2 years on the
> team before you throw them into the fray.

According nusports.com, we started: 
1 RS Freshman, 3 Sophomores, 1 Junior

According to PSU's site, they started:
3 seniors, 2 juniors 

Big, big difference there. Heck, just the difference in the cumulative hours spent in the weight room at the college level is huge. 

As for *why* we are starting such a young line, I'll leave that to someone else who has followed recruiting and the status of our linemen over the years.

Tom

From artmiller_news at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  2 15:30:27 2009
From: artmiller_news at yahoo.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Mon Nov  2 15:30:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Attendance (long rant, sorry)
In-Reply-To: <8CC29E53AB9EA3A-5664-9D5A@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>
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That was interesting, Chuck, thanks for sharing.  One would think that Northwestern, being fundamentally disadvantaged to the rest of the Big Ten in so many ways, would at least endeavor to be excellent in those things within our control.

And you didn't even mention the concessions!

Art Miller


--- On Mon, 11/2/09, cherron604@aol.com <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:

> From: cherron604@aol.com <cherron604@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Attendance (long rant, sorry)
> To: mlinhardt@netzero.com, nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
> Date: Monday, November 2, 2009, 9:06 AM
> 
> 
> One possible reason for attendance problems - the worst
> customer service not only in football, but possibly in the
> entire consumer realm (Is football attendance allowed to be
> lousy, so that Kellogg professors will have a nearby lesson
> to teach on how NOT to behave in business ?)
> 
> My 'fun, exciting day of Wildcat football' started somewhat
> poorly when my West Lot pass was turned down - even though
> there were spaces back by Isabella, and several 'prominently
> displayed' Penn State tailgates were taking up more space
> than they needed to.? Also noted several cars without
> West Lot hangtags - or maybe they had all fallen of the
> rearview mirrors by accident.? We were directed to the
> practice field.? Not too bad, still a close walk to the
> stadium.
> 
> When I left the game, however, the World-Famous
> indifference of NU employees to the fans was on full
> display.? The passage ways on both sides of McGaw Hall
> that were open before the game were now blocked off.?
> The east-side passage was blocked off close to the stadium,
> so you could see you couldn't use it, but the west-side
> passage wasnt blocked off until the back of McGaw, and
> neither side had a sign or employee to direct patrons back
> to their cars, after the path had changed since the
> beginning of the game.? I saw several fans standing
> there puzzled - wondering how to get back to their
> cars.? Notably, I saw no NU employees or athletic
> department staffers to help these fans - the staffers were
> probably munching hors d'oeuvres in some skybox.? I
> could've probably slid under the gate at the back of McGaw
> hall, but a grim-faced guy in a yellow jacket looked ready
> to hassle me if I tried that...
> 
> Finally I had to walk over to Ashland and down to
> Isabella.? Of course, there is no sidewalk on Isabella
> (NU Athletics has chosen to plant bedraggled little trees on
> the parkway on Isabella), so you have to walk ON
> Isabella.? Finally you get back to the gate, which is
> blocked off by tarps (so no one steals any of McCall's
> innovative plays) and locked, reach through the middle to
> try and hail the two gatekeepers, then follow an obstacle
> course both to your car and out (so as not to destroy any
> more of the practice field, already a mess of mud and tire
> ruts).? Then wait for the gatekeepers to once again
> unlock the gate. Part of the all-day fun that we like to
> call 'a day of NU football'.
> 
> I have been to road games everywhere, in the conference and
> out - and almost all of them have a more efficient/better
> run football experience, from traffic control (most schools
> have good relations with their towns), directing you to and
> from parking, convenient gate access, etc.? NU drops
> the ball at almost every turn.
> 
> Thanks again, Mr AD, for overselling your West Lot - one
> wonders if subtle bribes are offered/accepted to get people
> without West Lot passes in there.? But that couldn't
> happen - not at a shrine to honor and integrity like
> Northwestern...
> 
> Chuck Herron???Tech '85
> 



      

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Nov  2 15:32:22 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Nov  2 15:34:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] re: NU hoops - - could this be the year?
In-Reply-To: <129134.97044.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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 http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?id=4615399 

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov  2 15:39:12 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov  2 15:39:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
In-Reply-To: <129134.97044.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <003701ca5bff$2b59bd50$820d37f0$@com>
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RE: offensive line

In Randy Walker's final years at the helm, the offensive line recruiting
arguably fell off, ending with the 2006 line that just wasn't very good.
The 2007 line and even last year's OL got by thanks to a feisty runner in
Sutton and a guy who got rid of the ball quickly in Bacher.  Without
Sutton's yards after contact this year, we're beginning to see the effects.

Fortunately, Fitz has really brought in some solid OL recruits: two who are
redshirt sophomores finishing up their second years starting (LT Netter & C
Burkett) and four who are redshirt freshmen (Deiters and Mulroe have played
a lot so far), along with true freshman Ward who has even played some this
year.  The past two seasons we've seen juniors and seniors passed over in
favor of the younger guys on the depth chart.

Unfortunately, as has been mentioned, these guys are still young, relatively
inexperienced, and haven't had the large amount of time training as others
at opposing schools.  Despite having some guys with some starting experience
under their belts, they are still young.

Also, don't discount the fact that NU lost OL coach Ingalls to the Saints
this past offseason (something that myself and others have mentioned
before).

Hopefully things will really start to improve next year - I also think
solidifying the starting 5 has begun to help - through the first 7 games
they were almost routinely rotated in and out of the game.

Jonathan

On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > That is one reason why you rarely see even RS Sophs playing
> > one of the 4 up front positions, and centers are sometimes exempt from
> the rule, but still you like to see at least 2 years on the
> > team before you throw them into the fray.
>
> According nusports.com, we started:
> 1 RS Freshman, 3 Sophomores, 1 Junior
>
> According to PSU's site, they started:
> 3 seniors, 2 juniors
>
> Big, big difference there. Heck, just the difference in the cumulative
> hours spent in the weight room at the college level is huge.
>
> As for *why* we are starting such a young line, I'll leave that to someone
> else who has followed recruiting and the status of our linemen over the
> years.
>
> Tom
>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov  2 16:05:44 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Nov  2 16:05:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270911021339w6c8ffafep88e70c690106c5ab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003701ca5bff$2b59bd50$820d37f0$@com>
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So if I can summarize:

We aren't going to blame the rb's because the o-line isnt creating the  
holes.

We aren't going to blame the o-line because they are all young and  
still learning.

We aren't going to blame the coaches because they recruited young  
players who are better than the upper classmen.

So who is left?

Well, we can blame RW for his untimely passing which disrupted our  
recruiting.

We can also try to blame Northwestern for not being a big state school  
with low academic standards and lots of students and alums who love  
football

OR

We can blame ourselves for insisting that someone else has to be  
responsible for our disappointments.

As my wife sometimes reminds me, it is after all just a game.

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 2, 2009, at 4:40 PM, "Jonathan Hodges"  
<jonathanwhodges@gmail.com> wrote:

> RE: offensive line
>
> In Randy Walker's final years at the helm, the offensive line  
> recruiting
> arguably fell off, ending with the 2006 line that just wasn't very  
> good.
> The 2007 line and even last year's OL got by thanks to a feisty  
> runner in
> Sutton and a guy who got rid of the ball quickly in Bacher.  Without
> Sutton's yards after contact this year, we're beginning to see the  
> effects.
>
> Fortunately, Fitz has really brought in some solid OL recruits: two  
> who are
> redshirt sophomores finishing up their second years starting (LT  
> Netter & C
> Burkett) and four who are redshirt freshmen (Deiters and Mulroe have  
> played
> a lot so far), along with true freshman Ward who has even played  
> some this
> year.  The past two seasons we've seen juniors and seniors passed  
> over in
> favor of the younger guys on the depth chart.
>
> Unfortunately, as has been mentioned, these guys are still young,  
> relatively
> inexperienced, and haven't had the large amount of time training as  
> others
> at opposing schools.  Despite having some guys with some starting  
> experience
> under their belts, they are still young.
>
> Also, don't discount the fact that NU lost OL coach Ingalls to the  
> Saints
> this past offseason (something that myself and others have mentioned
> before).
>
> Hopefully things will really start to improve next year - I also think
> solidifying the starting 5 has begun to help - through the first 7  
> games
> they were almost routinely rotated in and out of the game.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com>  
> wrote:
>
>>> That is one reason why you rarely see even RS Sophs playing
>>> one of the 4 up front positions, and centers are sometimes exempt  
>>> from
>> the rule, but still you like to see at least 2 years on the
>>> team before you throw them into the fray.
>>
>> According nusports.com, we started:
>> 1 RS Freshman, 3 Sophomores, 1 Junior
>>
>> According to PSU's site, they started:
>> 3 seniors, 2 juniors
>>
>> Big, big difference there. Heck, just the difference in the  
>> cumulative
>> hours spent in the weight room at the college level is huge.
>>
>> As for *why* we are starting such a young line, I'll leave that to  
>> someone
>> else who has followed recruiting and the status of our linemen over  
>> the
>> years.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Nov  2 22:33:53 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Nov  2 22:34:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
References: <003701ca5bff$2b59bd50$820d37f0$@com><129134.97044.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com><fcb3ee270911021339w6c8ffafep88e70c690106c5ab@mail.gmail.com>
	<FC9F2643-FE38-4665-8034-4D200C28D266@covisint.com>
Message-ID: <54B89208B05241B786907EF2140633B4@DennisMachine>

> So if I can summarize:
>
> We aren't going to blame the rb's because the o-line isnt creating the 
> holes.
>
> We aren't going to blame the o-line because they are all young and  still 
> learning.
>
> We aren't going to blame the coaches because they recruited young  players 
> who are better than the upper classmen.
>
> So who is left?
>
> Well, we can blame RW for his untimely passing which disrupted our 
> recruiting.
>
> We can also try to blame Northwestern for not being a big state school 
> with low academic standards and lots of students and alums who love 
> football
>
> OR
>
> We can blame ourselves for insisting that someone else has to be 
> responsible for our disappointments.
>
> As my wife sometimes reminds me, it is after all just a game.
>

This rant makes no sense.  Just how are we to be responsible for what is 
happening to the Northwestern football team?  It doesn't change the fact 
that the OL and running backs are not very good, nor do we have a single 
game-breaking wide receiver. 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov  2 23:58:33 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov  2 23:58:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness
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Actually, Brewer is such aWR, but when you are the only one...you draw the primo coverage

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 11:34 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Lack of explosiveness

> So if I can summarize:
>
> We aren't going to blame the rb's because the o-line isnt creating the 
> holes.
>
> We aren't going to blame the o-line because they are all young and  still 
> learning.
>
> We aren't going to blame the coaches because they recruited young  players 
> who are better than the upper classmen.
>
> So who is left?
>
> Well, we can blame RW for his untimely passing which disrupted our 
> recruiting.
>
> We can also try to blame Northwestern for not being a big state school 
> with low academic standards and lots of students and alums who love 
> football
>
> OR
>
> We can blame ourselves for insisting that someone else has to be 
> responsible for our disappointments.
>
> As my wife sometimes reminds me, it is after all just a game.
>

This rant makes no sense.  Just how are we to be responsible for what is 
happening to the Northwestern football team?  It doesn't change the fact 
that the OL and running backs are not very good, nor do we have a single 
game-breaking wide receiver. 

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Nov  3 09:22:37 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov  3 09:23:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowls
Message-ID: <8CC2AB09C63D5A7-2B10-F844@webmail-m056.sysops.aol.com>


CBS Sportsline has the conference sending 8 teams, and has us in Detroit

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions

The weekend upsets have separated the teams into 2 groups - the locks (Iowa, Penn State, Ohio State, Wisconsin) and the others.  All of the others have 'a chance', but some are more likely than others.

Minnesota (5-4)  Illinois, South Dakota St, at Iowa
NU (5-4) at Iowa, at Illinois, Iowa
Michigan (5-4)  Purdue, at Wisconsin, Ohio State
Michigan St (4-5)  Western Michigan, at Purdue, Penn State
Indiana (4-5)  Wisconsin, at Penn State, Purdue
Purdue (3-6)  at Michigan, Michigan St, at Indiana
Illinois (2-6)  at Minnesota, Northwestern, at Cincinnati, Fresno St

Minnesota has some room for error, needing one win, and hosting Illinois and South Dakota St.
We must beat Illinois (not certain, maybe 50-50 ?)
Michigan must beat Purdue.
Michigan State made their life tougher - now they must beat Purdue and Western Michigan
Indiana must beat Purdue and score an unlikely upset against Wisconsin
Purdue must sweep.  That would probably knock out Michigan and MSU.
Illinois must sweep.  That would knock us out.

I guess I will be rooting for Purdue the next two weeks, then hope Indiana wins the Bucket.
And hope that a healthy Mike Kafka can lead us past the inconsistant Illini (they always seem to get more excited for a Michigan game than a Northwestern game).

That might lead to 6 teams bowl eligible, and with Iowa in the Rose and Penn State in the BCS, we could land in either Tempe or Orlando.

Go Boilers !

Chuck Herron   Tech '85 
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov  4 00:09:44 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Nov  4 00:09:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 10
Message-ID: <944283.3175.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well, it was a fun visit to Evanston for three quarters at least ? too bad Kafka had to get hurt. Now we?re in a mad scramble for November that could see a logjam of 6-6 teams in the Big Ten. We?ll have to see what happenes. Thankfully, Monday night ended better, though those evil F***ons made it close at the end. Gotta keep our focus sharp for the Panthers next week.

However, with the flights to Chicago and back and the usual fall rush of papers to grade, don't expect standings this week (maybe I'll get a chance when we're off for Veteran's Day).

We have two huge games in college football this week but boy does the slate drop after that. Oh well, maybe it will make for some interesting picks and upset specials.

No Thursday night game, so get the picks in by kickoff Saturday!

PIGSKIN PICKS ? WEEK 10
=======================
Name: 

BIG TEN
-------
GAME 1: Illinois @ Minnesota
WINNER: 

GAME 2: Wisconsin @ Indiana
WINNER: 

GAME 3: Purdue @ Michigan
WINNER: 

GAME 4: Western Michigan @ Michigan State
WINNER: 

GAME 5: Ohio State @ Penn State
WINNER: 

NATIONAL
--------
GAME 6: Louisiana State @ Alabama
WINNER: 

GAME 7: Florida State @ Clemson
WINNER: 

GAME 8: Wake Forest @ Georgia Tech
WINNER: 

GAME 9: Connecticut @ Cincinnati
WINNER: 

GAME 10: Oklahoma @ Nebraska
WINNER: 

MY PICKS
========
* MINNESOTA 37, Illinois 28 ? Tough call here ? have the Illini woken up and are they ready to be a spoiler a second straight week? I?ll still go with the Gophers at home after last week?s emotional high.

* WISCONSIN 34, Indiana 17 ? The Hoosiers need this for any bowl hopes, but the Badgers are closing out strong this year en route to Florida on January 1.

* MICHIGAN 42, Purdue 31 ? A huge game for RichRod here as he needs to stop the bleeding in a hurry or he?ll find the goodwill from the Notre Dame victory gone before the last leaf falls. Purdue had been playing tough all year, but last week?s flop surprised me. Michigan hopes it continues.

* MICHIGAN STATE 30, Western Michigan 24 ? Closer than the folks in East Lansing would like, but Sparty has no margin for error either and must win this to keep their postseason hopes alive.

* PENN STATE 20, Ohio State 10 ? It?s a shame this one isn?t under the lights (why? So we can all see Cincy-UConn??? There better be a hoops game involved!) we COULD have had an epic couch day of the Saban Bowl in the afternoon and a full-effect White Out at night. You suck, ABC! That could help OSU as the fans won?t be as wound up. Still, PSU?s offense has a bit more to pull away late in this battle of great defenses as Iowa celebrates a virtual Big Ten title and PSU makes a great case for a BCS berth.

* ALABAMA 23, Louisiana State 9 ? You know I always cheer for a BCS-mess, but not much hope here as LSU just doesn?t have an offense to go with that defense and Bama pulls away at home in the second half.

* CLEMSON 28, Florida State 23 ? Always a toss-up in the ACC. Go Dookies!

* GEORGIA TECH 35, Wake Forest 14 ? Again, going with the home team in the ACC, but it could easily be FSU and Wake winning and more of a clustermuck.

* CINCINNATI 42, Connecticut 17 ? Yawn. Thanks ABC. Instead of a great OSU/PSU clash and 100,000+ fans screaming, we get a blowout and 3-hour promotion from John Saunders and company on why we should take Cincy and the Big Least seriously. Really, didn?t you guys do this a few years back and then Rutgers, Louisville and West Virginia all collapsed? And why no Big XII talk this year ? oh yeah, THEY SUCK! So quit trying to hate on the Big Ten since they have their own network now and start putting the outrage where it REALLY belongs ? WHY is Iowa not in the top 5 in the polls when they have wins AT Wisconsin, AT Penn State and AT Michigan State along with a win over Arizona? That?s more quality wins than Boise State, TCU and Cincy COMBINED. And WHY is Penn State not in the top 10?

*  NEBRASKA 28, Oklahoma 24 ? Speaking of suck, what happened to this rivalry? I think it gets a bit of its luster back as the Huskers make up for their midyear tanking (that blew a BCS shot) and upset the lifeless Sooners.

And off the board ?

First off, a bittersweet reminder of my pick last week ?

* PENN STATE 34, Northwestern 17 ? The Cats can?t dig an early hole this week, as the Lions are starting to click on offense. PSU might be looking ahead to OSU, but the Lions pull away after halftime.

? hopefully after being dead-on last week, I?ll be dead-wrong this week ?

* IOWA 44, Northwestern 24 ? Kinnick is a rough place to get your first start, Mr. Persa ? especially with little help around you on offense. The NU defense, after playing so valiantly last week, keeps it close for awhile, but turnovers and woeful special teams lead to a bumblebee onslaught as they tune up for Columbus.

Picks in by Saturday kickoff!
GO CATS!!!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!_
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Nov  4 13:18:24 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Nov  4 13:18:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Kafka to play against Iowa
Message-ID: <200911041918.nA4JIOJ3021195@romaine.tssi.com>

According to a report by Tom Dienhart on Rivals, Kafka is expected to play against Iowa
on Saturday.  (I guess that means he'll be starting.)

Hamstring injuries can easily recur, though, so I hope Dan Persa is getting a fair share 
of snaps as well.
--
Mike Nolan

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Nov  4 13:24:31 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Nov  4 13:25:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Kafka to play against Iowa
In-Reply-To: <200911041918.nA4JIOJ3021195@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200911041918.nA4JIOJ3021195@romaine.tssi.com>
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Yes, in Fitz's press conference on Monday and the Big Ten press conference
yesterday, Fitz confirmed that "Kafka is expected to play" on Saturday.  It
said he's really day to day but has been improving each day since the game.

Like you mentioned, hamstring injuries can linger for a while, and I would
imagine we will see Persa out there at least some of the time this week.
Kafka is obviously the heart of the offense this year (he has accounted for
over 70% of NU's total offense and over 60% of the offensive TDs), so
hopefully he can go - and maybe some time with the first team will help
Persa as well.

In any case, Iowa will definitely be a tough test.  I think NU can give them
a run for their money, at the very least.

Jonathan

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:

> According to a report by Tom Dienhart on Rivals, Kafka is expected to play
> against Iowa
> on Saturday.  (I guess that means he'll be starting.)
>
> Hamstring injuries can easily recur, though, so I hope Dan Persa is getting
> a fair share
> of snaps as well.
> --
> Mike Nolan
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Nov  5 10:16:14 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu Nov  5 10:17:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Girardi aids crash victim on way home from Series
	clincher
Message-ID: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A650113DC1588@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.lohud.com/article/20091105/SPORTS01/911050402/-1/SPORTS/Yanks-manager-Girardi-aids-crash-victim-in-Westchester-on-way-home-from-Series-clincher



From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Nov  5 17:15:51 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov  5 17:16:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Girardi aids crash victim on way home from Series
	clincher
Message-ID: <ca4.4c9cf346.3824b6a7@aol.com>

Proud of our CAT world champ boy scout, guess he is brokenhearted he didn't 
 get the Cubs job :)
From wildelk2 at aol.com  Fri Nov  6 19:09:40 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov  6 19:10:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Iowa, etc.
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270911011050nd2917cfj396b0c48f5f602e9@mail.gmail.com>
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   This season has been a puzzle, as I figured the defense would excell and the offense, particularly Kafka, would struggle.  So what happens?  The defense struggles, and Kafka has been superb.  As I haven't posted much is a testement to how little I figured our '09 Cats out.  The last time I was so "off: was 2001.  
  But the game against Penn St. lived up to how I figured our season was going to go.  Lack of big plays makes our excellent defense stay on the field too long; they can't keep them out forever.
  Here's the glimmer of hope: Persa looked like Kafka in 2006: a struggle vs. one of the best defenses in the country. (Note: Brewer started at QB vs. State in 2006). He needs time vs. someone other than Penn St. in his "1st game".
  Tomorrow:  providing Kafka and McMannis are ready, I see an upset at Kinnick.  The Hawks have it coming, as they consistantly stand close to the barbershop without getting a haircut.  I say we buzz the Hawks 33-20. We'll win the game in the 4th quarter and give the Hawks a taste of their own medicine.  And we'll get pay-back for 2000 when those lousy &#!*^% SOB's kept us out of Pasedena.
   
Go Cats!!    Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
To: bwdolphin146@yahoo.com
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2009 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Attendance



I've thought that high ticket prices are one of the obstacles for NU
ncreasing football attendance.  This is especially true for families who
ypically have 4+ tickets to buy.  I know that there have been a ton of
romos this year (including $35 end zone seats and even half price tickets
or the PSU game with an online coupon code this past week), but seeing that
igh price tag drives many causal fans away who would otherwise drop by for
 day-of-the-game purchase.
I know that one reason for the high prices is that NU can reap the revenue
rom the opposition's fans who come into town (especially for the likes of
SU, OSU, and Michigan), but outside of those games the price is a big
bstacle for bringing in fans.
Be that as it may, Tracy Hitz (NU athletic deptarment marketing lead) has
een interviewed this year and has stated that pricing studies have shown
hat reducing the ticket prices won't necessarily bring in enough fans to
ake up for the lost revenue from the lower prices.  After reading some of
hese interviews and hearing from people on the inside, the NU athletic
epartment is doing all it can with the resources it has to bring in fans
the SPAC tailgate was hopping, with help from the NU athletic department,
nd they've been running a ton of promos this year) and it would be worth
oting for those who keep stating that "NU marketing sucks" on this and
ther internet discussions.
In any case I think the attendance answer can be helped by reduced ticket
rices in some situations (i.e. nonconference games), along with a slew of
ther actions.  The problem is that the issue is complex and will require a
omplex set of solutions over a period of time - there is no magic bullet.
Jonathan

n Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:22 PM, <bwdolphin146@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anyone else think that $50 a pop for tickets for a team that (sorry,
 will be brutal here) has not won a league title since 2000 or a bowl game
 since 1949 is too much money?

 I know, tickets are cheaper bought by season plans, etc. But still.

 Bw
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Nov  6 21:52:42 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov  6 21:53:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Iowa, etc.
Message-ID: <ca0.60be9c56.3826490a@aol.com>

As Forest Evashevski said "you have 60 minutes to beat Notre Dame and a  
lifetime to remember it" that is what our Cats will remember about this season 
-  beating Iowa and screwing up their season. Evashevski died last week, a  
completely rotten human being who played at Nothwestern HS in Detroit 
before  playing at  Michigan for Fritz Crisler who was able to conduct the 
Chicago  symphony on Friday and coach on Saturday, Evashevski was the perfect Iowa 
 coach, running up the score on weak opponents, cheating on recruiting and  
academic requirements, and winning at all  costs. 
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 00:25:16 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov  7 00:25:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Iowa, etc.
In-Reply-To: <ca0.60be9c56.3826490a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <820263.74858.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

We definitely owe those bumblebees.

The 2000 Rose Bowl - the last TRUE Rose Bowl - was all set to be a purple paradise of Washington vs. Northwestern ... until Iowa screwed things up.

As much as I'd love to see the Big Ten do well and add a mess to the B(C)S, we can still get two B(C)S teams if PSU wins out and we beat Iowa. So let's pay them back for 2000 by spoiling their dream season!

It's been a wild season with some surprises and many disappointments, but Fitz and the team need to realize that the three biggest games of the year are still ahead -- our Sweet Sioux rival from Champaign and our two REAL rivals from Madison and Bumblecorn.

Any season where you beat the Hogeyes or Behdgerrrs is a successful one - so let's go and BEAT IOWA!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Nov  7 11:36:52 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Nov  7 11:37:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Holding on to hope
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFB7@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

But that was a dreadful first quarter. 


From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 11:53:54 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 11:54:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Holding on to hope
Message-ID: <1473494620-1257616433-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-585614775-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Wow! Big turnaround.  TD and injury to Stanzi.  Go '
Cats.

Paul Levinson
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Subject: [NU Sports] Holding on to hope
Sent: Nov 7, 2009 12:36 PM

But that was a dreadful first quarter. 


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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 12:01:31 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sat Nov  7 12:01:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Holding on to hope
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFB7@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <834100.77415.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I hope Stanzi is OK, but I guess it wouldn't kill me if he's not back until next week. Backup QB vs Backup QB is probably a fair match-up. 

The D has shored things up a bit. Clearly missed Smith on that first TD play. Welcome back Corey Wotton.

I'm a huge Kafka fan, but I'm not sure it makes sense for him to play much today. He's clearly too limited against a tough D. If he is in there, please don't run option plays--that just looks dumb, as it's clear he's not going to keep it.

Tom

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 12:20:12 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov  7 12:20:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I think we just saw the worst call EVER ...
Message-ID: <933156.42711.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Forget the Florida/SEC cabal, the Iowa/Big Ten shenanigans are in full effect!

Sure, we got a holding call to take back their TD, but the "high hit" on McManis after the Iowa guy LOWERED HIS HEAD INTO McMANIS is the most insipid call I have seen in a long time.

Now the teams have just exchanged turnovers and it should be an interesting second half.

I don't feel too bad for Iowa fans, as we had pretty much the same thing happen to us last week with Kafka going out when we had the lead against PSU -- plus, like OU earlier in the year vs. BYU, if your defense is as good as people say it is, you should still be able to beat BYU or NU without your QB.

I do feel bad for Stanzi, as you hate to see a game turn on an injury ... but this one sure has at the half now. We need to buck up the run D to stop Iowa and not have any more turnovers on offense to let them sneak in (they beat PSU without much on offense).

Should be an interesting half of football at Kinnick ...

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 12:26:17 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sat Nov  7 12:26:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Demos
In-Reply-To: <933156.42711.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <105844.71279.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Our punter gets a lot of grief for not having a booming leg. But he is very good at dropping punts inside the 10, and today that skill led to Wotton's sack and the TD. So, props to Stephen for a job well done.

I was actually wondering if we shouldn't have gone for it on 4th instead of punting, but as usual, the coach wisely put his faith in our punter and our D, and it worked out.

Anyone's game in the second half. Now I'm hoping Persa stays healthy--he's taking some licks out there.

Tom

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 12:28:02 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 12:28:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I think we just saw the worst call EVER ...
Message-ID: <577222929-1257618482-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1241913686-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Trouble in St. Paul.  Minny down 21-7 to Illini, who will be a bear next week if they win.
------Original Message------
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] I think we just saw the worst call EVER ...
Sent: Nov 7, 2009 1:20 PM

Forget the Florida/SEC cabal, the Iowa/Big Ten shenanigans are in full effect!

Sure, we got a holding call to take back their TD, but the "high hit" on McManis after the Iowa guy LOWERED HIS HEAD INTO McMANIS is the most insipid call I have seen in a long time.

Now the teams have just exchanged turnovers and it should be an interesting second half.

I don't feel too bad for Iowa fans, as we had pretty much the same thing happen to us last week with Kafka going out when we had the lead against PSU -- plus, like OU earlier in the year vs. BYU, if your defense is as good as people say it is, you should still be able to beat BYU or NU without your QB.

I do feel bad for Stanzi, as you hate to see a game turn on an injury ... but this one sure has at the half now. We need to buck up the run D to stop Iowa and not have any more turnovers on offense to let them sneak in (they beat PSU without much on offense).

Should be an interesting half of football at Kinnick ...

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 12:31:18 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov  7 12:31:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Another reason to seize the day ...
Message-ID: <947641.4145.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

If we needed any more motivation to hang on against the hated Hawkeyes ...

Illinois appears to be the spoiler now in the Big Ten race, whuppin' Michigan last week and now waxing the Gophers in Minneapolis. The Sweet Sioux game next week will not be an easy one - too bsd we couldn't have played 'em a month ago when they had quit on Zook.

Let's solidify the D, hang on to the ball and BEAT IOWA!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Nov  7 12:33:46 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Nov  7 12:33:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Another reason to seize the day ...
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFB8@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Maybe Illinois is better. 

Or maybe, the week after playing a crummy team, they're playing a crummy team with a long history of late-season fades. 

Go Wildcats!


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Sent: Sat Nov 07 13:31:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Another reason to seize the day ...

If we needed any more motivation to hang on against the hated Hawkeyes ...

Illinois appears to be the spoiler now in the Big Ten race, whuppin' Michigan last week and now waxing the Gophers in Minneapolis. The Sweet Sioux game next week will not be an easy one - too bsd we couldn't have played 'em a month ago when they had quit on Zook.

Let's solidify the D, hang on to the ball and BEAT IOWA!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 13:16:26 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Sat Nov  7 13:16:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Another reason to seize the day ...
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While you're contemplating how to get the offense moving again, think on
this: the Ioway made the cover of SI this week and we all know what that
means.  Just another good omen that the farmers are going down today.  Of
course, having Kafka back in and eliminating stupid penalties that set you
back to third and thirty-three also help, which is why you're seeing Kafka
back in.

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On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <
Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com> wrote:

> Maybe Illinois is better.
>
> Or maybe, the week after playing a crummy team, they're playing a crummy
> team with a long history of late-season fades.
>
> Go Wildcats!
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com <nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Sat Nov 07 13:31:18 2009
> Subject: [NU Sports] Another reason to seize the day ...
>
> If we needed any more motivation to hang on against the hated Hawkeyes ...
>
> Illinois appears to be the spoiler now in the Big Ten race, whuppin'
> Michigan last week and now waxing the Gophers in Minneapolis. The Sweet
> Sioux game next week will not be an easy one - too bsd we couldn't have
> played 'em a month ago when they had quit on Zook.
>
> Let's solidify the D, hang on to the ball and BEAT IOWA!!!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 13:27:46 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov  7 13:27:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Q4 ...
Message-ID: <670940.35910.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Nice FG - I thought they had spoiled it by not running to get yardage on 3rd and long.

Still lots of time to go - can NOT turn it over or let Iowa break a big play on special teams.

Not sure why we try and run Concannon to the outside, but otherwise some nice play calling.

Whatever happens, both Kafka and Persa deserve big praise for this game after the criticism last week (especially that on Persa). Kafka is showing a lot of guts here and Persa did as well, absorbing some BIG hits on his runs and in the pocket.

One more comment - every 3rd and 1, our O-line (much maligned by myself and others) has absolutely DOMINATED the line of scrimmage and surged ahead for the first down at least three times.

LET'S GO CATS!!!
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 14:04:17 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:04:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] pure joy
Message-ID: <ceb.68f70c23.38272cc1@aol.com>

To beat Iowa at home and knock their QB out, Cory is the  man.
From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov  7 14:03:28 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (J.R. McCullough)
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:04:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Greene last year Stanzi this year -- both = CATS WIN!
Message-ID: <DB9C787AA353417DBA969CF97693FFB2@JRPC>

Great job by the defense, and great game management by the coaches. We're now bowl eligible.

J.R.
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 14:06:12 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:06:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] THIS is Fitz' big win
Message-ID: <699833.50893.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The one we've been waiting for!

How SWEET to beat #4 Iowa in Kinnick to spoil their season!

I don't want to hear the excuses ... we had both of our QBs hurt and we've had our share of injuries, too. Plus, like I said earlier with Oklahoma, a QB is one member of the team. If Iowa (or OU) had that great of a defense, they should have been able to hang on to the lead.

The bad news is that we likely won't get two BCS teams now unless Iowa somehow rebounds to win in the Shoe next week.

The good news is that with Minny losing and Michigan in trouble, we look to move up the bowl ladder (Phoenix? Phoenix! PLEASE!!!).

And the best part? WE BEAT IOWA!!! Any season where you beat Iowa and/or Wisconsin is a successful one in my book. Let's go for the sweep of rivals down the stretch!

Congrats Coach Fitz! Congrats to our defense, our gutsy quarterbacks, our dominating O-line (did I really just say that?:) ) and our coordinators (ditto) ... NICE win by the team all around!

GO CATS!!!
SjT


* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  7 14:10:09 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:09:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Q4 ...
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Concannon would be great at that zoneplay, where the line except for the tackle block inside and
the tackle block out. 

The RB runs thru the hold. I haven't seen that for quite a while.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
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J. Truog)
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 2:28 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Q4 ...

Nice FG - I thought they had spoiled it by not running to get yardage on 3rd and long.

Still lots of time to go - can NOT turn it over or let Iowa break a big play on special teams.

Not sure why we try and run Concannon to the outside, but otherwise some nice play calling.

Whatever happens, both Kafka and Persa deserve big praise for this game after the criticism last
week (especially that on Persa). Kafka is showing a lot of guts here and Persa did as well,
absorbing some BIG hits on his runs and in the pocket.

One more comment - every 3rd and 1, our O-line (much maligned by myself and others) has
absolutely DOMINATED the line of scrimmage and surged ahead for the first down at least three
times.

LET'S GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Nov  7 14:12:26 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:12:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What a great win
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFBC@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

 There is nothing -- nothing! -- in conference play so sweet as beating the Corn People!

 Go Wildcats!

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 14:12:48 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:14:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words
Message-ID: <1140189532-1257624836-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2101833620-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Wooooooooo Hooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 14:21:32 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:21:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] THIS is Fitz' big win
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References: <699833.50893.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Don't worry about not getting 2 teams in the BCS, Stephen. NU is going to a
bowl now somewhere, guaranteed. There is no way that even if we finish 6-6
and all the BT tie-ins are taken we don't get an at-large somewhere. Are you
kidding? A team who just beat the #4 team in the country on national hi-def
TV?

Word is the Humanitarian Bowl in Boise would very much like a Big Ten team
if one is available. Boise and Phoenix are about the same distance flight
for me -- I'll take either one, thanks! In fact, I'll go to any bowl except
Detroit -- logistically too impossible to get to from the West Coast the day
after Xmas.

Scott Zeller MD
Med '86

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 12:06 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> The one we've been waiting for!
>
> How SWEET to beat #4 Iowa in Kinnick to spoil their season!
>
> I don't want to hear the excuses ... we had both of our QBs hurt and we've
> had our share of injuries, too. Plus, like I said earlier with Oklahoma, a
> QB is one member of the team. If Iowa (or OU) had that great of a defense,
> they should have been able to hang on to the lead.
>
> The bad news is that we likely won't get two BCS teams now unless Iowa
> somehow rebounds to win in the Shoe next week.
>
> The good news is that with Minny losing and Michigan in trouble, we look to
> move up the bowl ladder (Phoenix? Phoenix! PLEASE!!!).
>
> And the best part? WE BEAT IOWA!!! Any season where you beat Iowa and/or
> Wisconsin is a successful one in my book. Let's go for the sweep of rivals
> down the stretch!
>
> Congrats Coach Fitz! Congrats to our defense, our gutsy quarterbacks, our
> dominating O-line (did I really just say that?:) ) and our coordinators
> (ditto) ... NICE win by the team all around!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> SjT
>
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
>
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 14:24:10 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:24:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Two words
Message-ID: <1976664003-1257625451-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1028544317-@bda949.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Was anyone suggesting that fitz may need to go ?

Harry
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Sent: Nov 7, 2009 12:12 PM

Wooooooooo Hooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
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From artmiller_news at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 14:25:55 2009
From: artmiller_news at yahoo.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:26:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What a great win
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFBC@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <921132.88133.qm@web113807.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

You said it, Alan.  A win like this puts me on a high for an entire week.

There's a line in the book 'Moneyball' that goes something like, "The joy of rooting for an underdog is that you have a chance of coming away truly inspired."  That about sums it up for me.

Art Miller



--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com> wrote:

> From: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] What a great win
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 2:12 PM
>  There is nothing -- nothing! -- in
> conference play so sweet as beating the Corn People!
> 
>  Go Wildcats!
> 
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  7 14:27:11 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:27:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Last time we beat a team ranked this high
Message-ID: <5547377.1257625631858.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Over the years (particularly in 1995, 1996, 2000 and 2004), we've beaten a number of teams ranked in the top ten. But I just checked the NU media guide to try to find out the last time we beat a team ranked as high as #4 in the country.

It appears that the answer would be 50 years ago, in 1959, when we beat #2 Oklahoma, 45-13.

Jim B.

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 14:40:36 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:41:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten Standings
Message-ID: <8CC2E01B18E6668-55FC-1D2A8@webmail-m022.sysops.aol.com>


Check out the standings on ESPN.com:  

http://espn.go.com/college-football/standings

'Cats are one of 5 teams in conference to be bowl eligible (with * next to name of school).  Teams trailing us (without an *) include:  Mich. St., Mich., Minn. Purdue, Indiana and Illinois.  And several of those teams look like their "buble" is gonna burst--especially Rich Rod's Wolves.  They have to go to Madison next week and then finish with tOSU.  If they don't make a bowl, anyone think he survives?

How Sweet It Is (to quote Jackie Gleason)!!

Let's give props to Purdue and Coach Hope.  While they have looked god-awful at times, they won in the Big House and beat the Buckeyes two weeks ago.  

 
Paul Levinson
From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Nov  7 14:42:12 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:42:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What a great win
References: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFBC@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <F160F17A0B2B4A0DAC32AD74AE420679@DennisMachine>

> There is nothing -- nothing! -- in conference play so sweet as beating the 
> Corn People!

Yes, there is.  Beating Ohio State.  We do that once every three decades. 
But I'll take beating Iowa anytime. 

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 14:42:40 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:42:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Morning report ...
Message-ID: <895724.91233.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well, a week after having PSU on the ropes and suffering an injury to our QB, NU got a bit of karma this week. A gritty win by the Cats at Kinnick. Yes, Stanzi was hurt, but we had our backup in and when he was knocked out, our gimpy original started filled in admirably. That's football and that's a big win for Coach Fitzgerald. Way to go, Cats!

Around the league ...

- WISCONSIN managed to avoid the upset bug narrowly in Bloomington, but based on what happened elsewhere, they may be bumped down a bowl now.

- MINNESOTA choked away their chance to rise above the 6-6 pack by becoming the Illini's second bowl-busting victim in as many weeks ... beware Cats.

- And MICHIGAN essentially blew any bowl hopes by choking on the Boilers. Welcome back to the hot seat, Rich Rod. As for Mr. Hope, beating OSU and Michigan in your first year ain't such a bad start.

- Oh yeah, MSU won over Western Michigan. Yawn.

So what does that do to the bowl picture ...

Well, we have four locks ...

* PENN STATE is in the BCS if they win today and avoid an upset the rest of the way -- most likely in Pasadena but it could be Miami if Iowa somehow wins in Columbus.

* OHIO STATE is in Pasadena if they win out, but more likely Florida if they lose today ... Tampa or Orlando depends on how they do against Iowa.

* IOWA still can get to Pasadena by winning out ... but they could fall out of New Year's Day if they can't rebound next week in Columbus. And given Stanzi's undertainty and their history in the Shoe, the Champs Bowl is looking more and more likely.

* WISCONSIN seems a solid bet for Florida and will be favored to win out, but not having two BCS teams probably bumped them a couple hours earlier from the Citrus to the Hall of Fame.

Now things get interesting, as all seven remaining teams are still alive going into the final two weeks (wow!) ... and a 6-6 cluster-mess is looking more and more likely.

* NORTHWESTERN can avoid the 6-6 cluster by beating Illinois next week -- not as easy as it sounded a week ago -- or winning the home finale vs. Wisky
* MINNESOTA could have emerged, but today's loss means they need to beat South Dakota State just to be bowl eligible, then win at Iowa to get to 7
* MICHIGAN STATE has to win next week at Purdue to get eligible (again, not an easy task) ... or beat PSU
* MICHIGAN is out unless they find a way to either win AT Wisconsin or finally beat the Sweater Vest. Ouch.
* PURDUE can still sneak in by beating MSU at home and winning the Bucket!
* INDIANA is still alive ... until they visit Happy Valley next week
* ILLINOIS is still alive ... but must run the table against NU, Cincinnati and Fresno State

We should know a little more after the game in Happy Valley and I'll have a guess tonight, but for now, all I can smile broadly after Fitz and the Cats pulled out the gutsy upset at #4 Iowa.

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the shucking of the corn ...

The Cats go marching on indeed!

GO CATS!!! KEEP SWEET SIOUX!!!
- SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Nov  7 14:43:36 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:43:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Last time we beat a team ranked this high
References: <5547377.1257625631858.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <7195010CE74A447880A9918A6246A212@DennisMachine>

> It appears that the answer would be 50 years ago, in 1959, when we beat #2 
> Oklahoma, 45-13.
>

And we needed a batch of the Sooners to get food poisoning to win that one. 

From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Nov  7 14:44:55 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:45:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How come?
Message-ID: <D2C91B9EBA9D4430B8B3E73B17D791C3@DennisMachine>

How come we can beat Iowa and Penn State can't?
From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 14:50:12 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:50:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What a great win
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   This was the Northwestern team I expected; great defense, although Mabin let #7 wide open with 5:00 to play.  Mr Wooten was unreal.  
   Good to see the ground game start coming together the last 3 games; we had more 3rd and shorts today than we've had all season.  Both QB's played well; Persa was ooozing with confidence when he tried to "force" one  that got picked, but he was comfortable running the show. Provided he has no broken bones in his hand, he should be back against Illinois.
   Not once have I criticized McCall, but twice, maybe 3 times he runs an option with a man not physically able to run?  Strange.  But McCall had the boys ready to play, so screw it.
   What an afternoon; against Iowa of all people.  I saw a shirt some moron was wearing last weekend when they got lucky against Indiana. It said Kinnick Fuckin Stadium.  What a loser.  All I can say is that we've won 3 in a row and wrecked their season at Kinnick Fuckin Stadium.  Priceless.

        GO CATS!    Eric

PS-I humbly submit I called for the upset on this here list last night, although I suspected more points would be scored.  Oh well; I'll live :)


-----Original Message-----
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 3:12 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] What a great win



 There is nothing -- nothing! -- in conference play so sweet as beating the Corn 
eople!
 Go Wildcats!
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 14:55:58 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov  7 14:56:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How come?
In-Reply-To: <D2C91B9EBA9D4430B8B3E73B17D791C3@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <723242.9413.qm@web52901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

That's the thing about Big Ten football that outsiders just don't get.

The rivalries here are so deep and the stadiums/fans such a big part of the games that some teams just have the other's number regardless on record or location or team.

BTW - the offensive coordinator of Iowa should come under a lot of fire in Iowa City this week for calling a naked bootleg in the end zone, leaving his QB unprotected in the face of Wootten. Griese mentioned it briefly during the game, but it got lost in the shuffle.

Another interesting comment during the game was NU starting 20 or so different kids on defense this year. That was supposed to be our rock-solid unit this year and they've been hit with a lot of injuries. Having Wootten and McManis back at near full strength really helps.

BEAT THE ILLINI!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
> Subject: [NU Sports] How come?
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 1:44 PM
> How come we can beat Iowa and Penn
> State can't?
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 15:02:46 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 15:02:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] My question on that Oklahoma win
Message-ID: <1036971939-1257627758-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-526487909-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

... Was it at home?

If not when was the last time NU beat such a highly-ranked team on the road?

Isn't this a glorious day? Days like this are why we are fans. 

I will be painting town purple in Philadelphia tonight!!!!

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Nov  7 15:09:19 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Nov  7 15:09:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What a great win
In-Reply-To: <F160F17A0B2B4A0DAC32AD74AE420679@DennisMachine>
References: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFBC@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<F160F17A0B2B4A0DAC32AD74AE420679@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF0B67B122@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

This is actually a fascinating discussion point for geeks like us.

I am a Dayton native, born and raised in the Church of Buckeye Football. Even so, I was from birth an apostate -- my parents both Northwestern grads. 

I was at both the 1971 and 2004 Northwestern victories over Ohio State, as I think I have said before on this list. Both were incredible.

Even so -- I would argue that for Northwestern, Gary Barnett had it right when upon arrival in Evanston he declared that Iowa was our rival. To own these guys eight out of the last 13 times is just so great. 

If you want to read some clever and actually really funny stuff, check out the "Black Heart, Gold Pants" Iowa blog, at which the Iowa disdain for Northwestern is a recurring theme. 

Does that make beating Ohio State sweeter than beating Iowa? Dunno!

BTW, I may be personally responsible for today's winning karma. I had on my purple Wildcat jersey through the first quarter, then changed to the white road jersey because of course we were on the road -- my bad at the start, for sure. Just a moment after I switched to the white road gear, Stanzi went down.

So I'm it -- unless, of course, any of you ladies or gentlemen changed your shirts or even the way you yourselves were sitting on the couch. You never know what might turn the karma!

I was so nervous during this game, I was pacing through the house. Some plays I watched in front of the living-room TV, some in front of the TV in my home office. My kids thought it hilarious.

Go Wildcats! Fear the purple!



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:42 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] What a great win

> There is nothing -- nothing! -- in conference play so sweet as beating the 
> Corn People!

Yes, there is.  Beating Ohio State.  We do that once every three decades. 
But I'll take beating Iowa anytime. 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  7 15:36:46 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov  7 15:35:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What a great win
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF0B67B122@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFBC@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>	<F160F17A0B2B4A0DAC32AD74AE420679@DennisMachine>
	<33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF0B67B122@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <002101ca5ff2$684bc180$38e34480$@com>

I was in my typical Saturday Morning White T and Black Shorts when I fired up the computer for our normal game day chat.

Drinking Coffee thru that game, I grabbed a Dogfish Head 90 bottle once the game was sealed.

Gooooo CATS, a bowl is now on line - regardless of what happens next - #2 in a row for Fitz

rsl 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
So...
     How's that "hope" and "Change"
     Working for ya?

Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:09 PM
To: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] What a great win

This is actually a fascinating discussion point for geeks like us.

I am a Dayton native, born and raised in the Church of Buckeye Football. Even so, I was from birth an apostate -- my parents both Northwestern grads. 

I was at both the 1971 and 2004 Northwestern victories over Ohio State, as I think I have said before on this list. Both were incredible.

Even so -- I would argue that for Northwestern, Gary Barnett had it right when upon arrival in Evanston he declared that Iowa was our rival. To own these guys eight out of the last 13 times is just so great. 

If you want to read some clever and actually really funny stuff, check out the "Black Heart, Gold Pants" Iowa blog, at which the Iowa disdain for Northwestern is a recurring theme. 

Does that make beating Ohio State sweeter than beating Iowa? Dunno!

BTW, I may be personally responsible for today's winning karma. I had on my purple Wildcat jersey through the first quarter, then changed to the white road jersey because of course we were on the road -- my bad at the start, for sure. Just a moment after I switched to the white road gear, Stanzi went down.

So I'm it -- unless, of course, any of you ladies or gentlemen changed your shirts or even the way you yourselves were sitting on the couch. You never know what might turn the karma!

I was so nervous during this game, I was pacing through the house. Some plays I watched in front of the living-room TV, some in front of the TV in my home office. My kids thought it hilarious.

Go Wildcats! Fear the purple!



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:42 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] What a great win

> There is nothing -- nothing! -- in conference play so sweet as beating the 
> Corn People!

Yes, there is.  Beating Ohio State.  We do that once every three decades. 
But I'll take beating Iowa anytime. 

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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 15:39:14 2009
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 15:39:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] My question on that Oklahoma win
Message-ID: <cda.56419cd4.38274302@aol.com>

It was at home. In fact there were rumors that the Chicago mob had poisoned 
 the food.
I think the road win against the highest ranked opponent was in the 1929  
Rose Bowl against Cal. (I don't know their ranking at the time.)
Don Williams
C55
 
 
In a message dated 11/7/2009 3:03:11 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
bwdolphin146@yahoo.com writes:

... Was  it at home?

If not when was the last time NU beat such a highly-ranked  team on the 
road?


From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Nov  7 15:41:26 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Nov  7 15:42:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What a great win
In-Reply-To: <002101ca5ff2$684bc180$38e34480$@com>
References: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFBC@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>	<F160F17A0B2B4A0DAC32AD74AE420679@DennisMachine>
	<33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF0B67B122@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<002101ca5ff2$684bc180$38e34480$@com>
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF0B67B124@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Iowa wit on BHGP this instant:

"Gotta go for a run. Clear my head. Will be wearing an Iowa shirt as an "f- u" to the jNWU crotchbeetles scuttling about Lakeview."

"jNWU" is Iowa talk for "Just Northwestern," as if we are "just Northwestern" and nothing more.




-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Lamberton [mailto:rstetson@capps-assoc.com] 
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:37 PM
To: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal); 'Dennis W. Brandt'; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] What a great win

I was in my typical Saturday Morning White T and Black Shorts when I fired up the computer for our normal game day chat.

Drinking Coffee thru that game, I grabbed a Dogfish Head 90 bottle once the game was sealed.

Gooooo CATS, a bowl is now on line - regardless of what happens next - #2 in a row for Fitz

rsl 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
So...
     How's that "hope" and "Change"
     Working for ya?

Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:09 PM
To: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] What a great win

This is actually a fascinating discussion point for geeks like us.

I am a Dayton native, born and raised in the Church of Buckeye Football. Even so, I was from birth an apostate -- my parents both Northwestern grads. 

I was at both the 1971 and 2004 Northwestern victories over Ohio State, as I think I have said before on this list. Both were incredible.

Even so -- I would argue that for Northwestern, Gary Barnett had it right when upon arrival in Evanston he declared that Iowa was our rival. To own these guys eight out of the last 13 times is just so great. 

If you want to read some clever and actually really funny stuff, check out the "Black Heart, Gold Pants" Iowa blog, at which the Iowa disdain for Northwestern is a recurring theme. 

Does that make beating Ohio State sweeter than beating Iowa? Dunno!

BTW, I may be personally responsible for today's winning karma. I had on my purple Wildcat jersey through the first quarter, then changed to the white road jersey because of course we were on the road -- my bad at the start, for sure. Just a moment after I switched to the white road gear, Stanzi went down.

So I'm it -- unless, of course, any of you ladies or gentlemen changed your shirts or even the way you yourselves were sitting on the couch. You never know what might turn the karma!

I was so nervous during this game, I was pacing through the house. Some plays I watched in front of the living-room TV, some in front of the TV in my home office. My kids thought it hilarious.

Go Wildcats! Fear the purple!



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:42 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] What a great win

> There is nothing -- nothing! -- in conference play so sweet as beating the 
> Corn People!

Yes, there is.  Beating Ohio State.  We do that once every three decades. 
But I'll take beating Iowa anytime. 

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 15:47:21 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 15:47:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] pure joy
Message-ID: <cd9.5f99f665.382744e9@aol.com>

For even more good news read the stories about our recruit Siemian in  
today's Sentinel
 
_http://varsity.orlandosentinel.com/orl-sportshs-eridge-07110709nov07,0,3888
278.story_ 
(http://varsity.orlandosentinel.com/orl-sportshs-eridge-07110709nov07,0,3888278.story) 
From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 16:13:51 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 16:14:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] pure joy
Message-ID: <604786690-1257632033-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-819598770-@bda949.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hello all

I am seeing Stanford paste # 8 Oregon right now. Can you imagine 2 big upsets from both of us  in one day ?  Michigan alum Harbaugh will be the toast of Palo Alto if they pull this one off

Harry 
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To: MHRJGScott@aol.com
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] pure joy
Sent: Nov 7, 2009 1:47 PM

For even more good news read the stories about our recruit Siemian in  
today's Sentinel
 
_http://varsity.orlandosentinel.com/orl-sportshs-eridge-07110709nov07,0,3888
278.story_ 
(http://varsity.orlandosentinel.com/orl-sportshs-eridge-07110709nov07,0,3888278.story) 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 16:16:32 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov  7 16:16:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What a great win
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF0B67B124@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <501261.72266.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Wow - Iowa fans use computers?:)

I absolutely LOVE that they have a "jNWU" nickname for us - shows that this is our true rival!

Also fun - during the OSU/PSU game, the announcers were trying to come up with PSU's biggest win of the year and they decided it was last week at Northwestern.:)

I'm sure Iowa will be full of excuses - boo frickin' hoo.:) As for what's better, beating the OSUs and Michigans is always huge and magical ... but rivalries just have more power to me. Some of the sweetest victories in recent history have been Iowa victories ...

* 1995: ESPN GameDay and a snowstorm come to Evanston to see if the Cats are just "feeling their oats," but Hudaifa's late turnover TD seals the deal in a 31-21 win.

* 1996: After getting our Big Ten win streak broken at PSU, the Cats travel across the league and absolutely thump a good Iowa team on ABC in front of a stunned Kinnick crowd.

* 2005: In what would turn out to be Randy Walker's final victory at NU, the Hawks dominate a drizzly day in Evanston until the last couple minutes, when Baz strikes, we get a perfect onside kick and Ross Lane catches the winning TD.

* 2008: #4 Iowa falls to Northwestern. Sweet corn!

The only other series with so many memorable moments in my mind from recent years is our other real rival, Wisconsin. The late stand for the '95 shutout, the Dayne fummmmmmble and Bates in '96, the wild OT shootout in '00, Terrell Sutton's big day a couple years later. Illinois has some sweet wins, too.

Regardless, JUST Northwestern JUST ended Iowa's perfect season. JUST sweet!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Crunching the numbers, it seems unlikely the Big Ten will get more than seven bowl teams now (the MSU/Purdue game next week is probably an elimination game and Michigan/Illinois/Indiana have to win out), so we're going bowling for sure. But a win next week would make it certain - and probably guarantee a repeat trip to San Antonio unless Minny or MSU can pull an upset to escape the 6-6 quagmire.

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


--- On Sat, 11/7/09, Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com> wrote:

> From: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] What a great win
> To: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>, nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Saturday, November 7, 2009, 2:41 PM
> Iowa wit on BHGP this instant:
> 
> "Gotta go for a run. Clear my head. Will be wearing an Iowa
> shirt as an "f- u" to the jNWU crotchbeetles scuttling about
> Lakeview."
> 
> "jNWU" is Iowa talk for "Just Northwestern," as if we are
> "just Northwestern" and nothing more.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy Lamberton [mailto:rstetson@capps-assoc.com]
> 
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:37 PM
> To: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal); 'Dennis W. Brandt';
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] What a great win
> 
> I was in my typical Saturday Morning White T and Black
> Shorts when I fired up the computer for our normal game day
> chat.
> 
> Drinking Coffee thru that game, I grabbed a Dogfish Head 90
> bottle once the game was sealed.
> 
> Gooooo CATS, a bowl is now on line - regardless of what
> happens next - #2 in a row for Fitz
> 
> rsl 
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All 
> ===========
> So...
>      How's that "hope" and "Change"
>      Working for ya?
> 
> Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
> ================================================
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:09 PM
> To: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] What a great win
> 
> This is actually a fascinating discussion point for geeks
> like us.
> 
> I am a Dayton native, born and raised in the Church of
> Buckeye Football. Even so, I was from birth an apostate --
> my parents both Northwestern grads. 
> 
> I was at both the 1971 and 2004 Northwestern victories over
> Ohio State, as I think I have said before on this list. Both
> were incredible.
> 
> Even so -- I would argue that for Northwestern, Gary
> Barnett had it right when upon arrival in Evanston he
> declared that Iowa was our rival. To own these guys eight
> out of the last 13 times is just so great. 
> 
> If you want to read some clever and actually really funny
> stuff, check out the "Black Heart, Gold Pants" Iowa blog, at
> which the Iowa disdain for Northwestern is a recurring
> theme. 
> 
> Does that make beating Ohio State sweeter than beating
> Iowa? Dunno!
> 
> BTW, I may be personally responsible for today's winning
> karma. I had on my purple Wildcat jersey through the first
> quarter, then changed to the white road jersey because of
> course we were on the road -- my bad at the start, for sure.
> Just a moment after I switched to the white road gear,
> Stanzi went down.
> 
> So I'm it -- unless, of course, any of you ladies or
> gentlemen changed your shirts or even the way you yourselves
> were sitting on the couch. You never know what might turn
> the karma!
> 
> I was so nervous during this game, I was pacing through the
> house. Some plays I watched in front of the living-room TV,
> some in front of the TV in my home office. My kids thought
> it hilarious.
> 
> Go Wildcats! Fear the purple!
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 12:42 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] What a great win
> 
> > There is nothing -- nothing! -- in conference play so
> sweet as beating the 
> > Corn People!
> 
> Yes, there is.  Beating Ohio State.  We do that
> once every three decades. 
> But I'll take beating Iowa anytime. 
> 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 17:09:39 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov  7 17:09:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Can this day get any better???
Message-ID: <642921.94201.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

First we shuck the corn with Iowa.

Then that punk Jimmy Claussen gets SACKED in the end zone by Navy to stop yet another NBC-produced miracle rally for the BCS bound Irish to BEAT NOTRE DAME!

The joys of college football upsets!:)

Of course, the Buckeyes are pulling away from PSU and likely headed to Pasadena now, but I guess no day's perfect.

The only people happier today?

Boise State and TCU.

The Big Ten's two best shots at a double dip lose.
The F'ing Irish and their stacked B(C)S deck lose.
The Big Least and ACC are one-bid leagues.
No one is stepping up from the Big XII.
The SEC is limited two two teams.

It's looking more and more like the B(C)S will have to take both the Froggies and Broncs if they win out, as USC and Bama appear to be the only other at-large bids out there right now.

Of course, upsets can happen and title game losses could muck it up, but right now, the BCS bowl lineup looks like ...

TITLE - Florida vs. Texas
ROSE - Ohio State vs. Oregon
SUGAR - Alabama vs. TCU
ORANGE - Georgia Tech vs. Cincinnati
FIESTA - Southern Cal vs. Boise State

The Rose, as always, will deliver ratings and fans (especially given how OSU hasn't been there in a long time despite all the success recently) and the title game should get plenty of hype.

But the other three games could be abysmal for attendance and ratings.

Hogeyes lose. Irish lose. CATS WIN! It doesn't get much better.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Nov  7 17:14:05 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Nov  7 17:14:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] And Notre Dame loses
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF0B67B129@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Losing twice to Navy - that can't bode well for Weis' future employment
possibilities in South Bend.

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 17:26:00 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 17:26:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] And Notre Dame loses
Message-ID: <342857567-1257636359-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1689314165-@bda949.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Is charlie the most overpaid college coach ?
------Original Message------
From: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] And Notre Dame loses
Sent: Nov 7, 2009 3:14 PM

Losing twice to Navy - that can't bode well for Weis' future employment
possibilities in South Bend.

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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 17:26:03 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 17:26:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The view from Cornland
Message-ID: <71073507-1257636374-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1221627030-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

>From an Iowa blog:  

"Lastly, we must congratulate the Northwestern alumni, each and every one clad in Armani suits and driving Ferraris, for outpaying Iowa's previous efforts to bribe the referees. The SEC may be gagging people from criticizing referees, but since they refuse to admit BHGP as a 13th member, it's open season. The holding call on Eubanks on the touchdown was bullshit. The fumble call on Wegher was bullshit. The three consecutive defensive holding/pass interference calls on the last drive were supreme bullshit. We can't claim that the referees cost Iowa a win, but it's plain to see they cost Iowa their shot at the win."

Beating pricks like this makes it all the sweeter, doesn't it?

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 17:26:04 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sat Nov  7 17:26:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Can this day get any better???
In-Reply-To: <642921.94201.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <642921.94201.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270911071526w629534eap9dcc3679d3a3c8f4@mail.gmail.com>

Not to burst your bubble, but Miami (FL) is looking strong after a big win
over Virginia and looks likely to move up into BCS contention.  Also, Pitt
and Cincy will both be in eligibility range (although they still play each
other, but the loser doesn't figure to fall too far).  And, the Big Ten
could always sneak a second team into the top 14 by the end of the season.

Unless the BCS rankings are so wacky that there are no at-large options in
the top 14 besides the "mid majors" there is NO way any bowl would pick such
a team, no matter what their ranking.  That is a very unlikely scenario to
begin with since a lot of BCS conference teams will have a few more weeks to
move into the top 14.

Jonathan

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 5:09 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> First we shuck the corn with Iowa.
>
> Then that punk Jimmy Claussen gets SACKED in the end zone by Navy to stop
> yet another NBC-produced miracle rally for the BCS bound Irish to BEAT NOTRE
> DAME!
>
> The joys of college football upsets!:)
>
> Of course, the Buckeyes are pulling away from PSU and likely headed to
> Pasadena now, but I guess no day's perfect.
>
> The only people happier today?
>
> Boise State and TCU.
>
> The Big Ten's two best shots at a double dip lose.
> The F'ing Irish and their stacked B(C)S deck lose.
> The Big Least and ACC are one-bid leagues.
> No one is stepping up from the Big XII.
> The SEC is limited two two teams.
>
> It's looking more and more like the B(C)S will have to take both the
> Froggies and Broncs if they win out, as USC and Bama appear to be the only
> other at-large bids out there right now.
>
> Of course, upsets can happen and title game losses could muck it up, but
> right now, the BCS bowl lineup looks like ...
>
> TITLE - Florida vs. Texas
> ROSE - Ohio State vs. Oregon
> SUGAR - Alabama vs. TCU
> ORANGE - Georgia Tech vs. Cincinnati
> FIESTA - Southern Cal vs. Boise State
>
> The Rose, as always, will deliver ratings and fans (especially given how
> OSU hasn't been there in a long time despite all the success recently) and
> the title game should get plenty of hype.
>
> But the other three games could be abysmal for attendance and ratings.
>
> Hogeyes lose. Irish lose. CATS WIN! It doesn't get much better.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
>
>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Nov  7 17:27:45 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat Nov  7 17:29:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How come?
In-Reply-To: <D2C91B9EBA9D4430B8B3E73B17D791C3@DennisMachine>
References: <D2C91B9EBA9D4430B8B3E73B17D791C3@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <CDE000BF-4577-4EE3-A336-379318B72166@covisint.com>

Did watch the game?

Iowa lost their starting QB and became one dimensional.

Even teams with more talent than us have a difficult time winning  
without their starting QB.

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 7, 2009, at 3:45 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

> How come we can beat Iowa and Penn State can't?
> 
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Nov  7 18:20:49 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Nov  7 18:21:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanford 51, Oregon 42
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF0B67B12B@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Would love to see us play Stanford in some bowl game.

 

Natural story lines ... brain bowl ... young coaches etc.

 

The Stanford running back, Toby Gerhart, is a stud. He ran for more than
220 yards today, a school record.

 

Also, one of the announcers calling the game, Petros Papadakis (he's
also an LA sports talk-radio personality), said he believed their
redshirt freshman QB, Andrew Luck, is the best young qb in the nation
(which is saying something given that Matt Barkley is playing at USC).

 

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 18:31:21 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sat Nov  7 18:31:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What a great win
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> BTW, I may be personally responsible for today's winning
> karma. I had on my purple Wildcat jersey through the first
> quarter, then changed to the white road jersey because of
> course we were on the road -- my bad at the start, for sure.
> Just a moment after I switched to the white road gear,
> Stanzi went down.

Good call. 

I almost switched living room seats late in the 4th quarter to avoid a glare from a window. Realized immediately that making any sort of "change" at that point would be a mistake, and returned to the previous position. 

I remained relatively calm throughout, although I did find myself spread out face down on the floor when Quentin Davie let that last-drive INT slip through his fingers. I recovered quickly, and so did the Cats. 

What a great win. Obviously losing Stanzi made a big difference, but our defense came up huge all game long. Hats off to Persa for a gutsy effort, and Kafka for an equally gutsy effort. 

The big key for me was our running game. Modest as it was, we got at least a few positive yards on a lot of handoffs, which made everything else easier. That was crucial given that we were probably down to half the usual playbook options once one-legged Kafka came back in. I heard the postgame WGN interviews, and Kafka was very gracious about Persa's role in the win. 

A true team effort. Almost 60 minutes of good football (that first minute of defense was shaky). Offense, defense, special teams all played well. Very, very proud of the effort from all involved.

What a great day. After the game, we headed out in shorts and t-shirts for a long walk around Evanston in beautiful weather. 

Got home to watch ND go down to Navy, which was icing on the cake. 

Tom

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  7 18:39:20 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Nov  7 18:39:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Possible Bowl matchups
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Would love to see such a matchup, too, but unfortunately, the only Big Ten vs. Pac-10 game is the Rose Bowl. So, what I'd like to see instead is an Insight Bowl rematch against Missouri.

And, speaking of the Rose Bowl, with Ohio State's win and Oregon's loss today, it would not at all surprise me to see an eventual Rose Bowl rematch of (yawn) SC vs. Ohio State. That could happen if OSU beats Iowa and if Oregon loses again, while SC wins out.

Jim B.


-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Nov 7, 2009 7:20 PM
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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>
>Would love to see us play Stanford in some bowl game.
>
>Natural story lines ... brain bowl ... young coaches etc.
>

From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Nov  7 18:48:58 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Nov  7 18:49:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Possible Bowl matchups
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Anything can happen in college fb but anything probably does not include Iowa beating Ohio State -- with a freshman qb -- at Ohio Stadium -- when the Buckeyes can sniff the Rose Bowl.

I'd like to see us win out and then go wherever. An 8-4 Northwestern team would be up for consideration for Tampa? Maybe?

If we don't win out, I personally am hoping for the Insight Bowl because it's a short trip from LA to Phoenix!

Go Wildcats!


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Subject: [NU Sports] Possible Bowl matchups

Would love to see such a matchup, too, but unfortunately, the only Big Ten vs. Pac-10 game is the Rose Bowl. So, what I'd like to see instead is an Insight Bowl rematch against Missouri.

And, speaking of the Rose Bowl, with Ohio State's win and Oregon's loss today, it would not at all surprise me to see an eventual Rose Bowl rematch of (yawn) SC vs. Ohio State. That could happen if OSU beats Iowa and if Oregon loses again, while SC wins out.

Jim B.


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>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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>
>Would love to see us play Stanford in some bowl game.
>
>Natural story lines ... brain bowl ... young coaches etc.
>

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 18:57:30 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 18:57:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Possible Bowl matchups
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Isn't the rose bowl the title game this year ?
------Original Message------
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Would love to see such a matchup, too, but unfortunately, the only Big Ten vs. Pac-10 game is the Rose Bowl. So, what I'd like to see instead is an Insight Bowl rematch against Missouri.

And, speaking of the Rose Bowl, with Ohio State's win and Oregon's loss today, it would not at all surprise me to see an eventual Rose Bowl rematch of (yawn) SC vs. Ohio State. That could happen if OSU beats Iowa and if Oregon loses again, while SC wins out.

Jim B.


-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Nov 7, 2009 7:20 PM
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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>
>Would love to see us play Stanford in some bowl game.
>
>Natural story lines ... brain bowl ... young coaches etc.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov  7 19:01:58 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov  7 19:01:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanzi is Done?
Message-ID: <002601ca600f$128c9720$37a5c560$@com>

Apparently Stanzi is finished for the season at Ioway.

In a story on Scout.com, Ferentz hinted that Vandy is the QB for the last 2 games....

How the might have fallen

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov  7 19:31:04 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Nov  7 19:31:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Possible Bowl matchups
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This is Pasadena's turn to "double host." The traditional Rose Bowl game between the Big Ten and Pac-10 champs is on January 1st, as usual. Then, on January 7th, the BCS National Championship Game will also be in Pasadena.



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>
>Isn't the rose bowl the title game this year ?
>------Original Message------
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>
>Would love to see such a matchup, too, but unfortunately, the only Big Ten vs. Pac-10 game is the Rose Bowl. So, what I'd like to see instead is an Insight Bowl rematch against Missouri.
>
>And, speaking of the Rose Bowl, with Ohio State's win and Oregon's loss today, it would not at all surprise me to see an eventual Rose Bowl rematch of (yawn) SC vs. Ohio State. That could happen if OSU beats Iowa and if Oregon loses again, while SC wins out.
>
>Jim B.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)" <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>
>>Sent: Nov 7, 2009 7:20 PM
>>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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>>Would love to see us play Stanford in some bowl game.
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 19:31:53 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Sat Nov  7 19:32:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten Standings
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Immediately after the game was over I received a text from a cousin who is a Mich. Law grad. ?In substance it was "Congratulations, for us, we beat ND I guess that will have to be enough". ?Too which the only appropriate reply I could think of was Thanks for both the text and ND. ?Navy finished them off today so no worries about ND stealing a BCS bid.

Looks like with one more win, admittedly not a given anymore, a Florida nowl should be in the offing, which I really hope is the case since I will be down there anyway.

Thanks Cats for a glorious Saturday even when my horses didn't come in.
Mark


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neonrye@aol.com wrote:



Check out the standings on ESPN.com:  



http://espn.go.com/college-football/standings



'Cats are one of 5 teams in conference to be bowl eligible (with * next to name of school).  Teams trailing us (without an *) include:  Mich. St., Mich., Minn. Purdue, Indiana and Illinois.  And several of those teams look like their "buble" is gonna burst--especially Rich Rod's Wolves.  They have to go to Madison next week and then finish with tOSU.  If they don't make a bowl, anyone think he survives?



How Sweet It Is (to quote Jackie Gleason)!!



Let's give props to Purdue and Coach Hope.  While they have looked god-awful at times, they won in the Big House and beat the Buckeyes two weeks ago.  



 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 19:37:20 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov  7 19:37:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The view from Cornland
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:) - someone call a WHAAAAAAmbulance!:)

Seriously, there were some bad calls both ways in that game. Yes, it looked like we got away with a hold on that last drive (but it would have been what, five yards and a first down?) ... and we got flagged for a ridiculous "high hit" when a Hawkeye receiver lowered HIS OWN HEAD to run into our tackler.

I think the Hawkeye players started listening to their fans on that last drive and kept looking to the refs for help. Some could have gone the other way, but nothing as downright laughable as the high hit call that kept an Iowa drive alive on 3rd down earlier.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 19:44:02 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov  7 19:44:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Possible Bowl matchups
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> Would love to see such a matchup,
> too, but unfortunately, the only Big Ten vs. Pac-10 game is

I know ... Stanford and NU, the two brain schools, take out the Pasadena frontrunners (and thus help both of the jockocracy-rule schools from Columbus and SC ... thank your nerd buddies, Bucknuts and Spoiled Children!).

> the Rose Bowl. So, what I'd like to see instead is an
> Insight Bowl rematch against Missouri.

Or an Alamo rematch with Nebraska??? If we beat Illinois and escape the 6-6 logjam, I don't think we can fall to the Insight (which is unfortunate for me living in the Valley of the Sun). I also don't think we crack the Rose/Florida top four bowls (Champs picks before Alamo) unless the Big Ten somehow gets two BCS teams. So a win next week probably sends us to San Antonio again.

> And, speaking of the Rose Bowl, with Ohio State's win and
> Oregon's loss today, it would not at all surprise me to see
> an eventual Rose Bowl rematch of (yawn) SC vs. Ohio State.
> That could happen if OSU beats Iowa and if Oregon loses
> again, while SC wins out.

Actually, Oregon would have to lose twice, wouldn't they? The Ducks have one Pac 10 loss while SC has two and Oregon has the tiebreak.

The sentimental fave would probably be Arizona - the only Pac 10 school to never make a Rose Bowl. They have a final stretch of Cal, Oregon (at home) and SC, so they control their fate.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 19:57:01 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov  7 19:57:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Can this day get any better???
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> Not to burst your bubble, but Miami (FL) is
> looking strong after a big win over Virginia and looks

The only problem is that the only bowl who would want the Canes is the Orange Bowl, and they are no longer able to choose ACC or Big Least -- they're locked into ACC, so I doubt they'd want an ACC game for their bowl.

Miami would bring a "name" program to some of those other bowls, but not a large contingent of fans. Boise would easily outdraw Miami for the Fiesta Bowl and TCU could probably rival them for a short trip to New Orleans for the Sugar (though with Bama, they should fill seats).

> likely to move up into BCS contention.  Also, Pitt and
> Cincy will both be in eligibility range (although they still

But neither of them bring big crowds or ratings either -- plus Pitt will likely lose two more to Cincy and ND (they lost at NC State!).

If the B(C)S would ignore one or -- gasp -- both Boise State and TCU, with perfect records and top 5 rankings, then there would be a serious outcry.

Ticking off Orrin Hatch is one thing -- you start messing with Texas and get the entire WAC and Mountain West mad at you and the B(C)S could finally get some big-time pressure.

> Unless the BCS rankings are so wacky that there are no
> at-large options in the top 14 besides the "mid
> majors" there is NO way any bowl would pick such a
> team, no matter what their ranking.  That is a very
> unlikely scenario to begin with since a lot of BCS
> conference teams will have a few more weeks to move into the

Hey, I'm all for the B(C)S to collapse, so I dare them to go ahead and pick a 10-2 Penn State or 10-2 Miami ranked in the 10-14 range over a 12-0 TCU or 12-0 Boise State ranked in the top five. It would be their funeral.

I think the bigger reason than public shame, though, would be the money factor. A #12 Big Ten or SEC team (or even a Big XII team) will fill seats and bring ratings. The Big East and ACC just don't. They had a big article in the Arizona Republic this morning about the economic downturn hurting not just pro teams and ASU, but the Fiesta Bowl (despite how a ticket this year would mean automatic renewal for next year's title game) -- Boise brings fans and a good story of Cinderalla's return. TCU could be in the top four by year's end and have to be picked.

There just aren't too many options out there -- the Sugar will grab the Florida/Bama loser to compensate for losing the winner to the title game, and the Fiesta would love to bring over SC to replace Texas. Then you get the dropoff. The Orange picks next but they can't take Miami, so they can go with Cincinnati ... TCU ... Boise ... or ???? I'd love to see PSU get the bid so we move up (and so John Saunders' head would explode with disbelief), but they can't take them ahead of three unbeatens. Same with Pitt ... or Okie State.

So I guess yes, the day can get even better. We beat Iowa. ND loses. AND the B(C)S is losing!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 20:46:59 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Sat Nov  7 20:47:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanford 51, Oregon 42
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Andrew Luck came *thisclose* to signing with Northwestern. It was between us
and Stanford at the end. He would have been a nice get, but the young man we
have redshirting this year, Evan Watkins, might end up being even better.

On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <
Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com> wrote:

> Would love to see us play Stanford in some bowl game.
>
>
>
> Natural story lines ... brain bowl ... young coaches etc.
>
>
>
> The Stanford running back, Toby Gerhart, is a stud. He ran for more than
> 220 yards today, a school record.
>
>
>
> Also, one of the announcers calling the game, Petros Papadakis (he's
> also an LA sports talk-radio personality), said he believed their
> redshirt freshman QB, Andrew Luck, is the best young qb in the nation
> (which is saying something given that Matt Barkley is playing at USC).
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Nov  7 21:10:34 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Nov  7 21:10:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How come?
References: <D2C91B9EBA9D4430B8B3E73B17D791C3@DennisMachine>
	<CDE000BF-4577-4EE3-A336-379318B72166@covisint.com>
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How come we can beat Iowa and Penn State can't?

Iowa lost their starting QB and became one dimensional. 

  Even teams with more talent than us have a difficult time winning without their starting QB. 


  Jeff

  I wasn't talking about this season.  Since '96 we have beaten Iowa a number of times when Penn State couldn't, even in the years when we couldn't come close to matching Penn State.
From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sat Nov  7 21:57:00 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Sat Nov  7 21:57:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How come?
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It's a cliche but cliches are just that because they have more than a ring
of truth:  any thing can and usually will happen in a rivalry game.  I don't
care what the Big Ten office would like people to believe, Iowa is a true
rivalry game and that means a lot to NU.  Iowa is just another conference
game to Penn State.

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On Sat, Nov 7, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>wrote:

> Did watch the game?
>
> Iowa lost their starting QB and became one dimensional.
>
> Even teams with more talent than us have a difficult time winning without
> their starting QB.
>
> Jeff
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 7, 2009, at 3:45 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>  How come we can beat Iowa and Penn State can't?
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 22:01:19 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 22:01:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Possible Bowl matchups
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Stephen,

You're gonna like this.  CBSSports.com has us picked for Insight Bowl in your backyard vs. Texas Tech:  
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions

Much to my chagrin (and Mark Ament's probably, too), they go for Sparty as pick for Champs Sports Bowl, which I would like, as I, too, will be down in Florida at that time.

Nice ESPN blog about Corey W's big game:  
http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/6623/wootton-well-worth-the-wait-for-wildcats

Paul Levinson
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com; Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>
Sent: Sat, Nov 7, 2009 8:44 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Possible Bowl matchups



> Would love to see such a matchup,
 too, but unfortunately, the only Big Ten vs. Pac-10 game is
I know ... Stanford and NU, the two brain schools, take out the Pasadena 
rontrunners (and thus help both of the jockocracy-rule schools from Columbus 
nd SC ... thank your nerd buddies, Bucknuts and Spoiled Children!).
> the Rose Bowl. So, what I'd like to see instead is an
 Insight Bowl rematch against Missouri.
Or an Alamo rematch with Nebraska??? If we beat Illinois and escape the 6-6 
ogjam, I don't think we can fall to the Insight (which is unfortunate for me 
iving in the Valley of the Sun). I also don't think we crack the Rose/Florida 
op four bowls (Champs picks before Alamo) unless the Big Ten somehow gets two 
CS teams. So a win next week probably sends us to San Antonio again.
> And, speaking of the Rose Bowl, with Ohio State's win and
 Oregon's loss today, it would not at all surprise me to see
 an eventual Rose Bowl rematch of (yawn) SC vs. Ohio State.
 That could happen if OSU beats Iowa and if Oregon loses
 again, while SC wins out.
Actually, Oregon would have to lose twice, wouldn't they? The Ducks have one Pac 
0 loss while SC has two and Oregon has the tiebreak.
The sentimental fave would probably be Arizona - the only Pac 10 school to never 
ake a Rose Bowl. They have a final stretch of Cal, Oregon (at home) and SC, so 
hey control their fate.
GO CATS!!!
SjT

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov  7 22:16:53 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 22:17:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanzi is Done?
Message-ID: <c75.60a21498.3827a035@aol.com>

Well I do not want to see any young man get hurt, but since this is Iowa I  
hope they lose every game from here on out due to our Corey nation of their 
back  up
From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  7 23:02:53 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Nov  7 23:03:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Texas Tech, ugh
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I don't like playing those WAC-ky pinball offenses (yes I know TT is in the Big 12). And Mike Leach is about as classless a jerk as college football has these days. 

I'd like to face a more, um, respectable team in a bowl than Leach's trashy aerial circus.

Missouri would be good. Nebraska too.  

Bw
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  8 00:31:16 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov  8 00:31:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Evening report ...
Message-ID: <223007.59329.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well, a clunker of a game in Happy Valley. It had to remind PSU fans of the Iowa game earlier -- the Lion offense disappears in the big game, it's close late until one play (a blocked punt against Iowa, a big pass vs. OSU) breaks open the floodgates and the Nits can't recover. Not sure what the problem is for JoePa in big games recently - he's usually at his best in the big games.

As for the evening games, it was interesting to watch much of the USC/ASU game here. After last week, it seems like SC has lost some of their aura -- teams just aren't afraid of them anymore and the Devils took it right to the Trojans and outplayed them. But SC survived where others didn't today, so that keeps them in the BCS hunt.

Speaking of this joke of a postseason college football has, here's how the bowl picture looks after today ...

TITLE BOWL: Florida vs. Texas
- I just can't see punchless Bama beating the Gators and the Horns don't have any threats left on what has to be one of the cushiest schedules in the nation ... who was their biggest test? #15 Okie State???

ROSE BOWL: Oregon vs. Ohio State
- Believe it or not, Buckeye fans haven't been here since 1997 and they will hopefully learn that Pasadena is NEVER a consolation prize ... the Ducks will appreciate it as well and it should be a heck of a game

SUGAR BOWL: Alabama vs. TCU
- The Bama/Gator loser heads here, but the opponent is a crap shoot after today's upsets. I just don't see how the BCS can leave out an unbeaten, top five team even if it isn't a big name.

ORANGE BOWL: Georgia Tech vs. Cincinnati
- The Orange committee won't have many choices either and Tech is locked in, so they go with the best of the three "also unbeatens" in Cincy.

FIESTA BOWL: Southern Cal vs. Boise State
- The Trojans are a lock to be gobbled up for Texas' spot if they win out, and Boise has a nice history in Phoenix, so it could be a heck of a game.

CITRUS BOWL: Wisconsin vs. LSU
- Tough to see how the Big Ten's 2-4 spots are going to sort out, but Wisky looks like they'll be the hot team finishing the year on a roll, so they leap over moping PSU and injured Iowa to snag this spot.

OUTBACK BOWL: Penn State vs. Tennessee
- The Nits are a bigger name than Iowa so they go to Tampa unless they lose to MSU -- as for their foe, the SEC is a mess after the top 3-4 teams so let's just say Tennessee's fans and PR Zooker-like coach get them the invite here.

CHAMPS BOWL: Iowa vs. Clemson
- The Hawks don't stand much of a chance next week in Columbus without Stanzi and if they're not careful, they might look bad against Minny in the finale. Either way, they're not finishing strong and fall here.

ALAMO BOWL: Northwestern vs. Nebraska
- I'd LOVE to see a Purple Paradise game against K-State, but I think the Huskers squeak by for the north title. If the Cats beat the Illini on Saturday, they're virtually locked into this bowl because they won't be chosen ahead of the Big Four in the league, yet none of the 6-6 cluster behind them can jump the Cats (about time we don't get jumped!).

INSIGHT BOWL: Purdue vs. Kansas
- The Boilers are the best story of the possible 6-6 bunch and if they can beat Sparty at home next week and win the bucket the last week, it would be an amazing first year for Coach Hope after the tough start to finish 6-6. That gets them a nice trip to Arizona.

MOTOR CITY BOWL: Minnesota vs. Central Michigan
- Break out the burgundy and gold! The Gophers SHOULD get a sixth win this week against SDSU, but unless they can upset Iowa in the Bacon Bowl, they'll probably be relegated to Detroit.

OUT OF THE BOWLS
- Michigan State ... you gotta like the Boiler momentum at home next week, so Sparty must beat moping PSU at home (which could be the case, and would make Detroit's day) to go bowling.

- Michigan ... they really blew it today, now they have to win at Madison and beat their sweater vest nemesis to dream of Detroit.

- Illinois and Indiana ... unless they run the table.

Of course, we'll see what happens next week. But for now, WE BEAT IOWA so all is right in Big Ten land. Shuck some corn, turn the clock tower purple and wave goodbye to the bumblebee RVs.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Nov  8 01:03:51 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Nov  8 01:03:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Evening report ...
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> ALAMO BOWL: Northwestern vs. Nebraska

Oh, I hope not.  Nebraska's defense, when it's 'on' like tonight, is 
just too much for the Cats, and they may have next spring's #1 draft 
choice playing on that defense.  (Three lossses for the Huskers probably 
means Suh won't get many Heisman votes, though.)  
--
Mike Nolan

From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Nov  8 06:08:07 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Nov  8 06:08:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] A cold snap in the nether reaches
Message-ID: <9B14C67BAE9547E49E0C3C7DF657F9C2@DennisMachine>

It sneaked up on us, and few have noticed.  The devil has to skate to get anywhere in Hell.  The Temple Owls are 7 - 2 and bowl eligible, and they have three winnable games left.  One of their wins was against Navy who so delightfully beat the Evil Empire yesterday by running them silly.
From Winkler_Brian_H at cat.com  Sun Nov  8 08:35:41 2009
From: Winkler_Brian_H at cat.com (Brian H. Winkler)
Date: Sun Nov  8 08:39:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What a great win
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Winning Karma story -  I agreed reluctantly to play a competitive game of 
"Kids Monopoly" board game with my five year old - moving me from my 
comfortable recliner (which I always sit in for games) to the floor.  On 
the third role of the dice, Wooton sacks Stanzi and you know the rest.  I 
watched the rest of the game sitting in discomfort on the floor to appease 
the Karma gods.






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RE: [NU Sports] What a great win




Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until: 12/07/2009 



I was in my typical Saturday Morning White T and Black Shorts when I fired 
up the computer for our normal game day chat.

Drinking Coffee thru that game, I grabbed a Dogfish Head 90 bottle once 
the game was sealed.

Gooooo CATS, a bowl is now on line - regardless of what happens next - #2 
in a row for Fitz

rsl 

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On 
Behalf Of Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:09 PM
To: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] What a great win

This is actually a fascinating discussion point for geeks like us.

I am a Dayton native, born and raised in the Church of Buckeye Football. 
Even so, I was from birth an apostate -- my parents both Northwestern 
grads. 

I was at both the 1971 and 2004 Northwestern victories over Ohio State, as 
I think I have said before on this list. Both were incredible.

Even so -- I would argue that for Northwestern, Gary Barnett had it right 
when upon arrival in Evanston he declared that Iowa was our rival. To own 
these guys eight out of the last 13 times is just so great. 

If you want to read some clever and actually really funny stuff, check out 
the "Black Heart, Gold Pants" Iowa blog, at which the Iowa disdain for 
Northwestern is a recurring theme. 

Does that make beating Ohio State sweeter than beating Iowa? Dunno!

BTW, I may be personally responsible for today's winning karma. I had on 
my purple Wildcat jersey through the first quarter, then changed to the 
white road jersey because of course we were on the road -- my bad at the 
start, for sure. Just a moment after I switched to the white road gear, 
Stanzi went down.

So I'm it -- unless, of course, any of you ladies or gentlemen changed 
your shirts or even the way you yourselves were sitting on the couch. You 
never know what might turn the karma!

I was so nervous during this game, I was pacing through the house. Some 
plays I watched in front of the living-room TV, some in front of the TV in 
my home office. My kids thought it hilarious.

Go Wildcats! Fear the purple!



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> There is nothing -- nothing! -- in conference play so sweet as beating 
the 
> Corn People!

Yes, there is.  Beating Ohio State.  We do that once every three decades. 
But I'll take beating Iowa anytime. 

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From r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  8 09:09:42 2009
From: r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net (Roger Beckwith)
Date: Sun Nov  8 09:08:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Nice Image
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It may be the purple glasses but this sounds a lot better than  
Grantland Rice's Four Horseman piece.

Rick Morrisey in today's Tribune:
"Iowa had come in with a 9-0 record and a 13-game winning streak  
dating to last season. Ranked fourth in the Bowl Championship Series  
standings, the Hawkeyes harbored national championship hopes. After  
Northwestern's victory, all that was left were a few bird feathers  
and some satisfied Wildcats cleaning their paws."
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 09:10:46 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov  8 09:11:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Can this day get any better???
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> Miami would bring a "name" program to some of those other bowls, but not a
> large contingent of fans. Boise would easily outdraw Miami for the Fiesta
> Bowl and TCU could probably rival them for a short trip to New Orleans for
> the Sugar (though with Bama, they should fill seats).
>

Sorry, couldn't let this go by.  There is no way a bowl would voluntarily
pick Boise State or TCU over Miami FL.  There may be plenty of mediocre
teams in the ACC that don't draw well, but if Miami, VT, or Florida State
are in the mix, they'll be picked over a mid-major any day of the week.

Despite Boise State's success they don't really have a national following
and likely wouldn't be able to cater to a BCS bowl's financial needs on
their own (say they play TCU).  And TCU has attendance numbers only slightly
above NU despite tons of recent success (they face many of the same issues
as NU - small, private school in an area dominated by big state schools and
are in a pro sports town).

And, as we've seen before, W/L records don't matter when it comes to bowl
selections, specifically in the BCS - all that matters is filling the seats
and getting people to watch on TV.  Let's not pretend the system is anything
but a money machine.


>
>
> So I guess yes, the day can get even better. We beat Iowa. ND loses. AND
> the B(C)S is losing!
>

I, too, would prefer a playoff (I support a Plus One system with the current
bowls intact), but no amount of BCS apocalypses will adversely affect the
current system; in fact, I would argue they make the current system
stronger.  Just look at issues earlier this decade which seemingly should
have brought the system to its knees, but it's going on even stronger (and
is renewed with the biggest contract yet through 2013).

The only way the system is coming down is if the BCS conferences decide to
give up money they currently enjoy from the BCS.  The big conferences hold
all of the power and money and they won't give it up voluntarily.  I read in
(NU alum & SI writer) Stewart Mandel's book that a move to a playoff adding
additional games would require a full NCAA Div. I vote, which would
definitely involve some monetary concessions to the "little guys" to pass
(i.e. revenue sharing in the NCAA basketball tournament).

Of course, NU, as a member of a BCS conference that has equal revenue
sharing, reaps huge benefits from the current system, so it's hard to
complain about it too much.

I think a "Plus One" is likely to be seriously discussed within the next 10
years ago, but a full playoff and/or abandoning the current bowl system are
pipe dreams.

Jonathan
From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  8 09:23:08 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sun Nov  8 09:23:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The .500 Club
Message-ID: <196152.98890.qm@web36808.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

It's a huge help to our bowl hopes that we are the first to get the 6th win. Opening the Big Ten standings on ESPN.com and seeing Northwestern in the upper half of the list NEVER gets old. Here's how the 6-6 logjam looks with two games to go:

Northwestern (6-4):    Lose @ Illinois, lose to Wisconsin -------------------- finish 6-6
Michigan State (5-5): Lose @ Purdue, Beat Penn State --------------------- finish 6-6
Minnesota (5-5):        Beat South Dakota State, lose @Iowa -------------- finish 6-6
Michigan (5-5):          Win @ Wisconsin, Lose to tOSU --------------------- finish 6-6
Purdue (4-6):             Beat MSU, Win @ Indiana ------------------------------- finish 6-6

Indiana (4-6): Lose @ Penn State, Lose to Purdue --------------------- finish 4-8
Illinois (3-6): Beat Northwestern, Lose @ Cincinnati, Lose to Fresno State --------------------- finish 4-8

So, we could still have five 6-6 teams. 
- More realistically, I expect the Cats to beat Illinois and finish at least 7-5. 
- I would also expect that either MSU or Purdue fails to make it. I could see the Boiler Spoiler winning their last two, but MSU won't beat Penn State.
- Michigan is in a really tough spot. They could well lose the last two and finish 5-7. 

So next week, if MSU wins, Penn State wins, and Michigan loses, we'll be 95% certain to have Michigan, Purdue, Illinois, and Indiana sitting home. That would lock a 6-6 NU team into Detroit. But, we could easily play up to 8-4. GO CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Victory & Honor,
Jim



      

From DPENDERG at aol.com  Sun Nov  8 11:05:15 2009
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  8 11:05:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The .500 Club
Message-ID: <c22.6e0a38b6.3828544b@aol.com>

 
I think all of the "what ifs" will be moot if we beat Illinois  -- as we 
should -- and finish at least 7-5.  Is the Iowa game an  announcement that the 
previously under-performing Cats have found themselves  and established 
momentum for the rest of the season?  Frankly, I don't  know.  The defense 
certainly stepped up along with the offensive line, a  clearly weak point until 
Saturday.  But a solid W in Champaign will  convince the naysayers that the 
win over Iowa was not a "fluke" but was the  emergence of a strong Big Ten 
team that merits recognition in post-season  play.  We do not want a 
lackluster, winnable game  like Indiana last year to shadow our bowl prospects.  Go 
Cats!   
 
 
In a message dated 11/8/2009 10:23:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jleonard518@yahoo.com writes:

Fellow  Wildcat Faithful,

It's a huge help to our bowl hopes that we are the  first to get the 6th 
win. Opening the Big Ten standings on ESPN.com and seeing  Northwestern in the 
upper half of the list NEVER gets old. Here's how the 6-6  logjam looks 
with two games to go:

Northwestern (6-4):     Lose @ Illinois, lose to Wisconsin 
-------------------- finish 6-6
Michigan  State (5-5): Lose @ Purdue, Beat Penn State --------------------- 
finish  6-6
Minnesota (5-5):        Beat South Dakota State,  lose @Iowa -------------- 
finish 6-6
Michigan (5-5):       Win @ Wisconsin, Lose to tOSU --------------------- 
finish  6-6
Purdue (4-6):             Beat MSU,  Win @ Indiana 
------------------------------- finish 6-6

Indiana (4-6):  Lose @ Penn State, Lose to Purdue --------------------- 
finish 4-8
Illinois  (3-6): Beat Northwestern, Lose @ Cincinnati, Lose to Fresno State 
 --------------------- finish 4-8

So, we could still have five 6-6  teams. 
- More realistically, I expect the Cats to beat Illinois and finish  at 
least 7-5. 
- I would also expect that either MSU or Purdue fails to  make it. I could 
see the Boiler Spoiler winning their last two, but MSU won't  beat Penn 
State.
- Michigan is in a really tough spot. They could well lose  the last two 
and finish 5-7. 

So next week, if MSU wins, Penn State  wins, and Michigan loses, we'll be 
95% certain to have Michigan, Purdue,  Illinois, and Indiana sitting home. 
That would lock a 6-6 NU team into  Detroit. But, we could easily play up to 
8-4. GO  CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Victory &  Honor,
Jim





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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  8 11:30:33 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov  8 11:30:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Can this day get any better???
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270911080710u29e4ba9fi9a54720dde36cc7f@mail.gmail.com>
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> Sorry, couldn't let this go by.? There is no way a
> bowl would voluntarily pick Boise State or TCU over Miami
> FL.? There may be plenty of mediocre teams in the ACC that
> don't draw well, but if Miami, VT, or Florida State are

Ah, but that's the point - they may not have a choice.

FSU or VaTech they could justify on fans in the stands -- Miami is not in that crowd (they barely fill half the stadium and don't travel well).

In the past we've seen the B(C)S pick teams ranked 8-14 like Illinois or ND over others in the 8-14 range ... but picking a 2-loss #13 Miami over a 12-0 and #5 TCU when neither is a big fan draw would finally blow the lid off this thing and get more than just few people in the mountain states mad.

> Despite Boise State's success they don't really
> have a national following and likely wouldn't be able to

I think Boise is unique in that people remember their Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma and would tune in again to see if they could take down SC in Phoenix. TCU doesn't have that national cinderella cache yet, but they appear to be higher ranked in the B(C)S and may get into that spot where they have to be chosen. So Boise State vs. Miami isn't a slam dunk for the big-league school.

> I, too, would prefer a playoff (I support a Plus One system
> with the current bowls intact), but no amount of BCS
> apocalypses will adversely affect the current system; in

We'll see -- we tried a few messes at the top and like a cockroach, the B(C)S survived to give us a "champ" with 2 losses or several title games that left out the best team.

But this is a different animal -- the mid-majors have been making noise for years (and done well with a 3-1 BCS record, including wins over Bama and Oklahoma) ... you can understand how they'd be ignored if similar record teams from big leagues with big fans and big ratings can be chosen ahead of them ... but if Boise and TCU both finish 12-0 and in the top five, it's going to be darn near impossible to ignore them.

I would LOVE to see it because it would bring more shame on this joke of a system, but they don't have the guts to do it after finally quieting the outrage over their title game SNAFUs in recent years.

So we know that the BCS folk will be cheering for the Utes next week.:)

> Just look at issues earlier this decade which seemingly
> should have brought the system to its knees, but it's
> going on even stronger (and is renewed with the biggest

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that -- look at attendance and ratings and you'll see huge drops in New Orleans and Miami, a small decline in Pasadena when they defy tradition, and a small gain in Phoenix. But this year with the economy could be a breaking point - an SC-Miami Fiesta Bowl would be a big name game, but neither of those schools travel exceptionally well ... Bama fans could be sick of New Orleans as a consolation prize again ... Cincy and GaTech aren't necessarily megadraws ... TCU and Boise are Cinderellas without huge followings ... Pasadena and ABC are sitting pretty, but Fox is ... well, foxed.

As for NU, we need this Illinois win -- get that and we control our own bowl fate for the first time in many years with people unable to leap us.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov  8 11:43:54 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  8 11:44:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The .500 Club
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Where do we go with an 8-4 miracle ?
Harry------Original Message------From: DPENDERG@aol.comSender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: nwu-sports@tssi.comSubject: Re: [NU Sports] The .500 ClubSent: Nov 8, 2009 9:05 AM
 I think all of the "what ifs" will be moot if we beat Illinois  -- as we should -- and finish at least 7-5.  Is the Iowa game an  announcement that the previously under-performing Cats have found themselves  and established momentum for the rest of the season?  Frankly, I don't  know.  The defense certainly stepped up along with the offensive line, a  clearly weak point until Saturday.  But a solid W in Champaign will  convince the naysayers that the win over Iowa was not a "fluke" but was the  emergence of a strong Big Ten team that merits recognition in post-season  play.  We do not want a lackluster, winnable game  like Indiana last year to shadow our bowl prospects.  Go Cats!     In a message dated 11/8/2009 10:23:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  jleonard518@yahoo.com writes:
Fellow  Wildcat Faithful,
It's a huge help to our bowl hopes that we are the  first to get the 6th win. Opening the Big Ten standings on ESPN.com and seeing  Northwestern in the upper half of the list NEVER gets old. Here's how the 6-6  logjam looks with two games to go:
Northwestern (6-4):     Lose @ Illinois, lose to Wisconsin -------------------- finish 6-6Michigan  State (5-5): Lose @ Purdue, Beat Penn State --------------------- finish  6-6Minnesota (5-5):        Beat South Dakota State,  lose @Iowa -------------- finish 6-6Michigan (5-5):       Win @ Wisconsin, Lose to tOSU --------------------- finish  6-6Purdue (4-6):             Beat MSU,  Win @ Indiana ------------------------------- finish 6-6
Indiana (4-6):  Lose @ Penn State, Lose to Purdue --------------------- finish 4-8Illinois  (3-6): Beat Northwestern, Lose @ Cincinnati, Lose to Fresno State  --------------------- finish 4-8
So, we could still have five 6-6  teams. - More realistically, I expect the Cats to beat Illinois and finish  at least 7-5. - I would also expect that either MSU or Purdue fails to  make it. I could see the Boiler Spoiler winning their last two, but MSU won't  beat Penn State.- Michigan is in a really tough spot. They could well lose  the last two and finish 5-7. 
So next week, if MSU wins, Penn State  wins, and Michigan loses, we'll be 95% certain to have Michigan, Purdue,  Illinois, and Indiana sitting home. That would lock a 6-6 NU team into  Detroit. But, we could easily play up to 8-4. GO  CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Victory &  Honor,Jim




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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov  8 11:51:14 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  8 11:51:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Can this day get any better???
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Also of note is Orrin Hatch fighting the BCS on behalf of his constituets.  He does have good points claiming restraint of trade from the BCS, though not sure I want lawmakers spending time on this even if I love to

Harry
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:30:33 
To: Jonathan Hodges<jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can this day get any better???

> Sorry, couldn't let this go by.? There is no way a
> bowl would voluntarily pick Boise State or TCU over Miami
> FL.? There may be plenty of mediocre teams in the ACC that
> don't draw well, but if Miami, VT, or Florida State are

Ah, but that's the point - they may not have a choice.

FSU or VaTech they could justify on fans in the stands -- Miami is not in that crowd (they barely fill half the stadium and don't travel well).

In the past we've seen the B(C)S pick teams ranked 8-14 like Illinois or ND over others in the 8-14 range ... but picking a 2-loss #13 Miami over a 12-0 and #5 TCU when neither is a big fan draw would finally blow the lid off this thing and get more than just few people in the mountain states mad.

> Despite Boise State's success they don't really
> have a national following and likely wouldn't be able to

I think Boise is unique in that people remember their Fiesta Bowl against Oklahoma and would tune in again to see if they could take down SC in Phoenix. TCU doesn't have that national cinderella cache yet, but they appear to be higher ranked in the B(C)S and may get into that spot where they have to be chosen. So Boise State vs. Miami isn't a slam dunk for the big-league school.

> I, too, would prefer a playoff (I support a Plus One system
> with the current bowls intact), but no amount of BCS
> apocalypses will adversely affect the current system; in

We'll see -- we tried a few messes at the top and like a cockroach, the B(C)S survived to give us a "champ" with 2 losses or several tittle games that left out the best team.

But this is a different animal -- the mid-majors have been making noise for years (and done well with a 3-1 BCS record, including wins over Bama and Oklahomaa) ... you can understand how they'd be ignored if similar record teams from big leagues with big fans and big ratings can be chosen ahead of them ... but if Boise and TCU both finish 12-0 and in the top five, it's going to be darn near impossible to ignore them.

I would LOVE to see it because it would bring more shame on this joke of a system, but they don't have the guts to do it after finally quieting the outrage over their title game SNAFUs in recent years.

So we know that the BCS folk will be cheering for the Utes next week.:)

> Just look at issues earlier this decade which seemingly
> should have brought the system to its knees, but it's
> going on even stronger (and is renewed with the biggest

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that -- look at attendance and ratings and you'll see huge drops in New Orleans and Miami, a small decline in Pasadena when they deefy tradition, and a small gain in Phoenix. But this year with the economy could be a breaking point - an SC-Miami Fiesta Bowl would be a big name game, but neither of those schools travel exceptionally well ... Bama fans could be sick of New Orleans as a consolation prize again ... Cincy and GaTech aren't necessarily megadraws ... TCU and Boise are Cinderellas without huge followings ... Pasadena and ABC are sitting pretty, but Fox is ... well, foxed.

As for NU, we need this Illinois win -- get that and we control our own bowl fate for the first time in many years with people unable to leap us.

GO CATS!!!
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 12:00:00 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov  8 12:01:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The .500 Club
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At this point the best case for NU (8-4 record, 2 Big Ten teams in BCS
bowls) is the Champs Sports Bowl (Orlando).  It's pretty clear that the top
4 teams in the conference are OSU, PSU, Iowa, and Wisconsin - all that's up
for grabs is a second potential BCS berth, which will depend more on what
other teams do down the stretch (as long as there are no upsets for those
4).

The key for NU will be getting a 7th win, which would essentially guarantee
NU a spot in one of the following bowls: Champs, Alamo, or Insight.

There is still a lot up in the air right now with no Big Ten teams yet
eliminated from bowl contention.  Basically every game down the stretch in
the conference will have a big impact on where teams end up, and even then
it will mostly be up to the bowls on who they chose for their spots.

Note that ESPN's Rittenberg (an NU alum) noted in his bowl projections today
that bowls are allowed to select 6-6 teams before 7-5 teams as long as the
7-5 teams still have a conference-affiliated bowl to go to.  And the Insight
and Detroit bowls have no rules except that all teams with winning records
must go to a bowl above .500 teams.

We'll know more after next week's games.

Jonathan

On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 11:43 AM, <hakirsch@aol.com> wrote:

> Where do we go with an 8-4 miracle ?
> Harry------Original Message------From: DPENDERG@aol.comSender:
> nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: nwu-sports@tssi.comSubject: Re: [NU Sports]
> The .500 ClubSent: Nov 8, 2009 9:05 AM
>  I think all of the "what ifs" will be moot if we beat Illinois  -- as we
> should -- and finish at least 7-5.  Is the Iowa game an  announcement that
> the previously under-performing Cats have found themselves  and established
> momentum for the rest of the season?  Frankly, I don't  know.  The defense
> certainly stepped up along with the offensive line, a  clearly weak point
> until Saturday.  But a solid W in Champaign will  convince the naysayers
> that the win over Iowa was not a "fluke" but was the  emergence of a strong
> Big Ten team that merits recognition in post-season  play.  We do not want a
> lackluster, winnable game  like Indiana last year to shadow our bowl
> prospects.  Go Cats!     In a message dated 11/8/2009 10:23:42 A.M. Eastern
> Standard Time,  jleonard518@yahoo.com writes:
> Fellow  Wildcat Faithful,
> It's a huge help to our bowl hopes that we are the  first to get the 6th
> win. Opening the Big Ten standings on ESPN.com and seeing  Northwestern in
> the upper half of the list NEVER gets old. Here's how the 6-6  logjam looks
> with two games to go:
> Northwestern (6-4):     Lose @ Illinois, lose to Wisconsin
> -------------------- finish 6-6Michigan  State (5-5): Lose @ Purdue, Beat
> Penn State --------------------- finish  6-6Minnesota (5-5):        Beat
> South Dakota State,  lose @Iowa -------------- finish 6-6Michigan (5-5):
>   Win @ Wisconsin, Lose to tOSU --------------------- finish  6-6Purdue
> (4-6):             Beat MSU,  Win @ Indiana -------------------------------
> finish 6-6
> Indiana (4-6):  Lose @ Penn State, Lose to Purdue ---------------------
> finish 4-8Illinois  (3-6): Beat Northwestern, Lose @ Cincinnati, Lose to
> Fresno State  --------------------- finish 4-8
> So, we could still have five 6-6  teams. - More realistically, I expect the
> Cats to beat Illinois and finish  at least 7-5. - I would also expect that
> either MSU or Purdue fails to  make it. I could see the Boiler Spoiler
> winning their last two, but MSU won't  beat Penn State.- Michigan is in a
> really tough spot. They could well lose  the last two and finish 5-7.
> So next week, if MSU wins, Penn State  wins, and Michigan loses, we'll be
> 95% certain to have Michigan, Purdue,  Illinois, and Indiana sitting home.
> That would lock a 6-6 NU team into  Detroit. But, we could easily play up to
> 8-4. GO  CATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> Victory &  Honor,Jim
>
>
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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Sun Nov  8 12:38:23 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Sun Nov  8 12:40:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The .500 Club
Message-ID: <20091108.123823.13666.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

Based on our past history we are likely to be at least 7-5.

The reason I say this is that under Fitz it is very abnormal to lose 2 in a row.  Other than the Syracuse-Minnesota debacle we seem to bounce back well from losses.

So my prediction is that if we lose(cat forbid) to the ill-whine-i we WILL beat the cheddar-heads.

If we lose to the cheddar-heads we WILL win our bowl game.

I believe the band is going to champaign and so are we.  We don't have tickets, but it is never an issue to buy or get gifted tickets.

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Nov  8 14:56:50 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  8 14:57:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Can this day get any better???
Message-ID: <bda.50fc9cc4.38288a92@aol.com>

I read the article about Iowa in SI, loved every minute and then listened  
to last nights "Prairie Home Companion" from Des Moines with a couple 
references  to the bummer game for all the hicks, now I am going to re watch the 
game, how I  love to beat the hawkflies.
From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov  8 16:56:10 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sun Nov  8 16:56:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] QB Inuries
Message-ID: <288512.21671.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The next two weeks in the Big Ten will have a lot to do with injured quarterbacks.

I would expect that we have knocked Stanzi out for the remaining two games. Even if it's for one week we have almost certainly handed tOSU the Rose Bowl. I wonder if Corey Wootton will get a buckeye sticker for his helmet. 

And, Juice Williams will most likely miss out game this week, so I expect we'll be facing redshirt freshman Jacob Charest.

On our team, we don't really know who the quarterback will be. I assume Kafka's hamstring will only improve. We don't yet know if Persa will be available.

I certainly hope we have one or both of them available so that we can get to 7 wins and not be on the 6-6 bubble.

Go Cats!
Jim



      

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sun Nov  8 19:06:46 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov  8 19:07:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] QB Inuries
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It will be interesting to hear what Pat has to say about the health of our 2 QB's.  I'm assuming that if Persa's hand wasn't broken, he'll most certainly be back.

        GO Cats!!    Eric

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Sent: Sun, Nov 8, 2009 5:56 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] QB Inuries



The next two weeks in the Big Ten will have a lot to do with injured 
uarterbacks.
I would expect that we have knocked Stanzi out for the remaining two games. Even 
f it's for one week we have almost certainly handed tOSU the Rose Bowl. I 
onder if Corey Wootton will get a buckeye sticker for his helmet. 
And, Juice Williams will most likely miss out game this week, so I expect we'll 
e facing redshirt freshman Jacob Charest.
On our team, we don't really know who the quarterback will be. I assume Kafka's 
amstring will only improve. We don't yet know if Persa will be available.
I certainly hope we have one or both of them available so that we can get to 7 
ins and not be on the 6-6 bubble.
Go Cats!
im

      
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Nov  8 19:17:41 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Nov  8 19:18:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Next week's game vs. Illini on ESPN Classic
Message-ID: <25314360.1257729461725.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I believe the game will be on espn360 as well. 

From clzahn at mindspring.com  Sun Nov  8 19:27:20 2009
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Sun Nov  8 19:27:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Next week's game vs. Illini on ESPN Classic
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If you have Directv you will have to sign up for the Sports Package 
unless you can get the game on ESPN360.  My ISP doesn't carry ESPN360.  
It's easy to see if you can get it.  Go to the following link and try to 
view an archived game.

http://espn.go.com/broadband/espn360/channels?channel=3577604&


Clark Zahn

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 20:07:11 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov  8 20:08:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Next week's game vs. Illini on ESPN Classic
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On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 7:17 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I believe the game will be on espn360 as well.
>
>
An Illinois blog announced this evening the game would be on ESPN Classic
and NUSports.com's schedule has it listed as ESPN Classic as well.

It took some digging, but PSU's game against Eastern Illinois earlier this
year was also on ESPN Classic and WAS available on ESPN360.com (the replay
is still available as well).  [Note that ABC games over the air in your area
are blacked out on ESPN360, although replays are available.  ESPNU games are
not available on ESPN360].  With ESPN Classic on many sports or premium
tiers ESPN360 may be more readily available (many carriers, including
Comcast & AT&T now carry it on their internet).

So, it looks like this one will be on ESPN360, which is actually a pretty
good service (although it pales when compared to HD on a regular TV).

Myself and others are, of course, making the trip down to Champaign to root
on the 'Cats in person, and hopefully we'll get to witness a win!

Go 'Cats!!!
From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 20:45:19 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Sun Nov  8 20:45:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Can this day get any better???
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Not that i necessarily want to turn this into an entire thread rehashing the
relative merits or lack thereof of the BCS, but I felt compelled to respond
to the idea that the impending mess posed by the possibility of an
undefeated TCU (not so likely with Utah left) and Boise State (likely since
outside of Oregon they don't play anybody) and a bowl appetizing Miami,
which while they don't travel well, the Florida bowls still love the Canes.
Investigations by Senator Hatch or the House Ways and Means Committee which
is investigating the NCAA's tax exemption and has made noises about taking
on the BCS as well, don't particularly bother the presidents of the BCS
schools, which is where the power lies.

There is no, I repeat NO, sentiment for a playoff of any kind among the
overwhelming majority of BCS school presidents and that includes a plus one
format.  No amount of fan wailing or Senate saber rattling will change
that.  The presidents know what power and money they wield through the BCS
system and have absolutely no intention of giving it up.  When a plus one
format was raised at the last BCS Commissioners meeting, the only president
who indicated an interest was the president of Florida, who was joined by a
couple of other SEC presidents.  The Big Ten, Big East, Pac-10 and Big XII
are nearly unanimous in opposition.  Don't know about the ACC but they're
irrelevant at this point given the stance of the other four.
If a major legal movement that has substance gets underway, the BCS will
simply dissolve and we'll all go back to the system in place before the BCS
began.  There are a number of presidents who would prefer that anyway.

At its heart, this is an argument about power and money, in that order.  The
BCS presidents have a disproportionate say on matters in Division I board
discussions at the NCAA and they are not about to give that up either.
Football means revenue and revenue means power.  When only 18 schools have
athletic departments that are revenue neutral or positive without a subsidy
from the school's general operating budget, you can be sure that no
president is inclined to upset the apple cart no matter how rosy a picture
ESPN may paint of the payoff from a true playoff.

Sorry for the long message but once I got started I couldn't stop.
Mark
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On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Jonathan Hodges
<jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>wrote:

> > Miami would bring a "name" program to some of those other bowls, but not
> a
> > large contingent of fans. Boise would easily outdraw Miami for the Fiesta
> > Bowl and TCU could probably rival them for a short trip to New Orleans
> for
> > the Sugar (though with Bama, they should fill seats).
> >
>
> Sorry, couldn't let this go by.  There is no way a bowl would voluntarily
> pick Boise State or TCU over Miami FL.  There may be plenty of mediocre
> teams in the ACC that don't draw well, but if Miami, VT, or Florida State
> are in the mix, they'll be picked over a mid-major any day of the week.
>
> Despite Boise State's success they don't really have a national following
> and likely wouldn't be able to cater to a BCS bowl's financial needs on
> their own (say they play TCU).  And TCU has attendance numbers only
> slightly
> above NU despite tons of recent success (they face many of the same issues
> as NU - small, private school in an area dominated by big state schools and
> are in a pro sports town).
>
> And, as we've seen before, W/L records don't matter when it comes to bowl
> selections, specifically in the BCS - all that matters is filling the seats
> and getting people to watch on TV.  Let's not pretend the system is
> anything
> but a money machine.
>
>
> >
> >
> > So I guess yes, the day can get even better. We beat Iowa. ND loses. AND
> > the B(C)S is losing!
> >
>
> I, too, would prefer a playoff (I support a Plus One system with the
> current
> bowls intact), but no amount of BCS apocalypses will adversely affect the
> current system; in fact, I would argue they make the current system
> stronger.  Just look at issues earlier this decade which seemingly should
> have brought the system to its knees, but it's going on even stronger (and
> is renewed with the biggest contract yet through 2013).
>
> The only way the system is coming down is if the BCS conferences decide to
> give up money they currently enjoy from the BCS.  The big conferences hold
> all of the power and money and they won't give it up voluntarily.  I read
> in
> (NU alum & SI writer) Stewart Mandel's book that a move to a playoff adding
> additional games would require a full NCAA Div. I vote, which would
> definitely involve some monetary concessions to the "little guys" to pass
> (i.e. revenue sharing in the NCAA basketball tournament).
>
> Of course, NU, as a member of a BCS conference that has equal revenue
> sharing, reaps huge benefits from the current system, so it's hard to
> complain about it too much.
>
> I think a "Plus One" is likely to be seriously discussed within the next 10
> years ago, but a full playoff and/or abandoning the current bowl system are
> pipe dreams.
>
> Jonathan
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sun Nov  8 20:49:13 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Sun Nov  8 20:49:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Next week's game vs. Illini on ESPN Classic
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ESPN Classic means the game will not be in HD however since no matter how
you receive it, Classic is not broadcast in HD.

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On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I believe the game will be on espn360 as well.
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  9 07:38:43 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov  9 07:38:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] AWESOME article
Message-ID: <222519.19451.qm@web52909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/11/08/College.Overtime/index.html?xid=si_ncaaf

Mandel is an NU alum and one of the better college football writers out there -- this article is a great look at NU, ND and Stanford.

It's worth the click for Coach Fitz' quote alone.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Nov  9 10:03:38 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Nov  9 10:03:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] AWESOME article
References: <222519.19451.qm@web52909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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<"Saturday's Iowa win likely assured its fifth bowl trip this decade; it had 
played in three its entire previous history."

Mandel's statement is factual but essentially meaningless given that only in 
recent years have bowl games assumed lagomorphic reproductive frequency. 
Certainly the 1962 and 1970 teams would have played in the post-season had 
there been a bowl available.  Remember when the only bowls were played on 
New Year's Day, and the Big Ten champion couldn't play in the Rose Bowl in 
consecutive years?

I despise Mandel's comment that Northwestern has a "ceiling" on 
expectations.  That essentially is a belief that we can never aspire to 
excellence on the football field, a mantra we hear all the time here.  The 
attitude doesn't exist in the classroom.  Northwestern has a fine academic 
reputation not because its teachers are inherently superior to all other 
schools but because it only selects the best academic material for those 
instructors to teach.  Why should we not do fill our major sports teams with 
the best talent  available?  To suggest this turns us into a football 
factory is inane.  Penn State, for example, has a 50-50 chance of beating 
Ohio State every year (OSU leads the all-time series 13 - 11), yet their 
players have a graduation rate on par with ours.  If you're going to take 
the big bucks from the Big Ten, then you have a responsibility to pull your 
own weight.  Until we can field a consistently good-to-great team virtually 
every season, the stands will remain substantially empty at home and be 
less-than-packed on the road.  The newness of winning something - anything - 
has worn off.  Time to take the next step. 

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 10:23:49 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov  9 10:24:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] AWESOME article
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The thing is that Fitz has and never will admit such a fact: his goal
(something that he's quoted on in the article) is to recruit guys who meet
NU academic standards while being a consistent winner.  That is as it should
be.

The fact for us fans, though, is that we can't reasonably expect
Northwestern, with its strict academic standards and resource constraints
(size of school and athletic department funding), to compete for a
conference title and/or BCS bowl berth EVERY year.  This is the "ceiling"
that Mandel is talking about.  It's just not reasonable right now for NU to
expect to be on par with the likes of Ohio State, Florida, etc.

Yes, PSU has high graduation rates, BUT, they have far lower admission
standards (academically) and also have broader courses of study available
when compared to Northwestern (I'll refrain from saying easier).

As an NU alum and fan I would love nothing more than to have NU turn into a
perennial power nationally, but I realize that this likely won't be the
case.  Instead, I am happy with Fitz's promotion of the program and the fact
that NU is now turning in almost annual bowl berths and is legitimately
contending for a conference title about once per recruiting cycle (5 years).

Yes, root for NU to win every game - I sure do.  But if you are honestly
expecting NU to turn into a football powerhouse forever, you are kidding
yourself.

Finally, as we've seen this decade, being a competitive team alone doesn't
bring in the fans (NU won 9 games last year and is facing its worst per game
season attendance in years - even post-dark ages).  But, hopefully, winning
over time will help build up a fan base.

Jonathan

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

> <"Saturday's Iowa win likely assured its fifth bowl trip this decade; it
> had played in three its entire previous history."
>
> Mandel's statement is factual but essentially meaningless given that only
> in recent years have bowl games assumed lagomorphic reproductive frequency.
> Certainly the 1962 and 1970 teams would have played in the post-season had
> there been a bowl available.  Remember when the only bowls were played on
> New Year's Day, and the Big Ten champion couldn't play in the Rose Bowl in
> consecutive years?
>
> I despise Mandel's comment that Northwestern has a "ceiling" on
> expectations.  That essentially is a belief that we can never aspire to
> excellence on the football field, a mantra we hear all the time here.  The
> attitude doesn't exist in the classroom.  Northwestern has a fine academic
> reputation not because its teachers are inherently superior to all other
> schools but because it only selects the best academic material for those
> instructors to teach.  Why should we not do fill our major sports teams with
> the best talent  available?  To suggest this turns us into a football
> factory is inane.  Penn State, for example, has a 50-50 chance of beating
> Ohio State every year (OSU leads the all-time series 13 - 11), yet their
> players have a graduation rate on par with ours.  If you're going to take
> the big bucks from the Big Ten, then you have a responsibility to pull your
> own weight.  Until we can field a consistently good-to-great team virtually
> every season, the stands will remain substantially empty at home and be
> less-than-packed on the road.  The newness of winning something - anything -
> has worn off.  Time to take the next step.
>  _______________________________________________
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From artmiller_news at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  9 10:51:11 2009
From: artmiller_news at yahoo.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Mon Nov  9 10:51:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
In-Reply-To: <223fce250911081845n88003c8le855d5a587871045@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <778584.285.qm@web113801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Mark, do you think there's any likelihood that the BCS conferences would ever withdraw and form their own "division"?  Every year, there seems to be more and more of an outcry from non-BCS schools, politicians, and the media about revenue sharing and the lack of "fairness" in the bowl system.  What if the BCS conferences decided to take their ball and go home: create their own division, play games only among themselves, and define their own postseason structure?  Do you think this would be bad or good?

Personally, I tend to think this would be a good thing, even if it meant we'd have to trade nonconference games against MAC or I-AA teams in favor of fellow BCS schools.  The BCS schools are, by and large, those schools that have been playing college football the longest.  They have the most invested, and can take the most credit for its current popularity.  Even though NU hasn't historically dominated the Big Ten, we can take credit for being part of that history.  I don't find it obvious that we should have to share revenue with any school who decides it wants to play I-A football--there are too many programs as it is, and the gap in resources between the top programs and bottom is tremendous--it makes a joke of the idea that we are all at the same "level".  If the NFL does not allow just any football club to join, why should the BCS conferences be forced to share millions in bowl revenue with the likes of Boise State, who has been playing at the I-A
 level since only 1996?




--- On Sun, 11/8/09, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can this day get any better???
> To: "Jonathan Hodges" <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 8:45 PM
> Not that i necessarily want to turn
> this into an entire thread rehashing the
> relative merits or lack thereof of the BCS, but I felt
> compelled to respond
> to the idea that the impending mess posed by the
> possibility of an
> undefeated TCU (not so likely with Utah left) and Boise
> State (likely since
> outside of Oregon they don't play anybody) and a bowl
> appetizing Miami,
> which while they don't travel well, the Florida bowls still
> love the Canes.
> Investigations by Senator Hatch or the House Ways and Means
> Committee which
> is investigating the NCAA's tax exemption and has made
> noises about taking
> on the BCS as well, don't particularly bother the
> presidents of the BCS
> schools, which is where the power lies.
> 
> There is no, I repeat NO, sentiment for a playoff of any
> kind among the
> overwhelming majority of BCS school presidents and that
> includes a plus one
> format.? No amount of fan wailing or Senate saber
> rattling will change
> that.? The presidents know what power and money they
> wield through the BCS
> system and have absolutely no intention of giving it
> up.? When a plus one
> format was raised at the last BCS Commissioners meeting,
> the only president
> who indicated an interest was the president of Florida, who
> was joined by a
> couple of other SEC presidents.? The Big Ten, Big
> East, Pac-10 and Big XII
> are nearly unanimous in opposition.? Don't know about
> the ACC but they're
> irrelevant at this point given the stance of the other
> four.
> If a major legal movement that has substance gets underway,
> the BCS will
> simply dissolve and we'll all go back to the system in
> place before the BCS
> began.? There are a number of presidents who would
> prefer that anyway.
> 
> At its heart, this is an argument about power and money, in
> that order.? The
> BCS presidents have a disproportionate say on matters in
> Division I board
> discussions at the NCAA and they are not about to give that
> up either.
> Football means revenue and revenue means power.? When
> only 18 schools have
> athletic departments that are revenue neutral or positive
> without a subsidy
> from the school's general operating budget, you can be sure
> that no
> president is inclined to upset the apple cart no matter how
> rosy a picture
> ESPN may paint of the payoff from a true playoff.
> 
> Sorry for the long message but once I got started I
> couldn't stop.
> Mark



      

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 11:15:23 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov  9 11:15:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
In-Reply-To: <778584.285.qm@web113801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <223fce250911081845n88003c8le855d5a587871045@mail.gmail.com> 
	<778584.285.qm@web113801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Good thought, and I've thought of this as well.  In fact, ESPN ran a piece
earlier in the year to this effect and even had a mock draft of 40 teams to
include (although it's obvious the 6 BCS conferences and their 65 teams plus
Notre Dame would be the ones in the mix).

Here are the 2 problems:

1. The BCS schools rely on the "mid-majors" for home games (revenue) and
wins.  Big schools need 7+ home games per year to fill the seats and bring
in revenue - the fact is that ticket sales are still the major source of
revenue for most schools.  See the following chapter in the Knight
Commission's latest report on the economics of collegiate athletics (the
entire report is a good read):

http://www.knightcommission.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=367:3-revenue&catid=53&Itemid=87

Also, the "mid majors" allow the BCS schools to load up on wins and pad
their stats.  It allows them to get to bowl games.  Note that I'm not
complaining since NU is as guilty of this as most other teams.

Finally, don't forget that the "mid majors" are, in fact, benefiting from
this arrangement.  They get a token amount every year from the BCS pie and
have their own (admittedly lower tier with lower payout) bowls.  AND they
get to go to the big schools and get big payoffs every year, which help keep
their athletic departments running.  Delaware State even took a forfeit this
year for going to play Michigan in order to get the paycheck (they had a
conference game scheduled for that date but went to Michigan anyways - and,
of course, they were pasted by Michigan).

2. Such a change would require a vote of all of Division I (like when
I-A/I-AA split in 1978).  The vast majority of members (there are upwards of
320 schools) are not BCS conference members in football and likely wouldn't
let this fly since it would be purely a money move and they would never have
a shot of sharing the pot.  In fact, this is the same reason why a playoff
won't fly - because the membership would never let such a playoff happen
without serious revenue sharing, something the BCS conferences don't want to
share.


So, instead, we're stuck with an unofficial pecking order that everybody
knows and nobody can do anything about.  Don't expect anything to change
because I don't think that anyone will suddenly become generous for the sake
of fairness.  It's interesting that people go nuts about it in college,
while there is a certain pro sports league (baseball) that has a huge
disparity in revenue between some teams (NY vs. Kansas City, for instance)
that directly affects competition, yet everyone knows there's no real
solution there with the well-off owners unwilling to give up their big piece
of the pie.

Jonathan

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Arthur Miller <artmiller_news@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Mark, do you think there's any likelihood that the BCS conferences would
> ever withdraw and form their own "division"?  Every year, there seems to be
> more and more of an outcry from non-BCS schools, politicians, and the media
> about revenue sharing and the lack of "fairness" in the bowl system.  What
> if the BCS conferences decided to take their ball and go home: create their
> own division, play games only among themselves, and define their own
> postseason structure?  Do you think this would be bad or good?
>
> Personally, I tend to think this would be a good thing, even if it meant
> we'd have to trade nonconference games against MAC or I-AA teams in favor of
> fellow BCS schools.  The BCS schools are, by and large, those schools that
> have been playing college football the longest.  They have the most
> invested, and can take the most credit for its current popularity.  Even
> though NU hasn't historically dominated the Big Ten, we can take credit for
> being part of that history.  I don't find it obvious that we should have to
> share revenue with any school who decides it wants to play I-A
> football--there are too many programs as it is, and the gap in resources
> between the top programs and bottom is tremendous--it makes a joke of the
> idea that we are all at the same "level".  If the NFL does not allow just
> any football club to join, why should the BCS conferences be forced to share
> millions in bowl revenue with the likes of Boise State, who has been playing
> at the I-A
>  level since only 1996?
>
>
>
>
> --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can this day get any better???
> > To: "Jonathan Hodges" <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
> > Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 8:45 PM
> > Not that i necessarily want to turn
> > this into an entire thread rehashing the
> > relative merits or lack thereof of the BCS, but I felt
> > compelled to respond
> > to the idea that the impending mess posed by the
> > possibility of an
> > undefeated TCU (not so likely with Utah left) and Boise
> > State (likely since
> > outside of Oregon they don't play anybody) and a bowl
> > appetizing Miami,
> > which while they don't travel well, the Florida bowls still
> > love the Canes.
> > Investigations by Senator Hatch or the House Ways and Means
> > Committee which
> > is investigating the NCAA's tax exemption and has made
> > noises about taking
> > on the BCS as well, don't particularly bother the
> > presidents of the BCS
> > schools, which is where the power lies.
> >
> > There is no, I repeat NO, sentiment for a playoff of any
> > kind among the
> > overwhelming majority of BCS school presidents and that
> > includes a plus one
> > format.  No amount of fan wailing or Senate saber
> > rattling will change
> > that.  The presidents know what power and money they
> > wield through the BCS
> > system and have absolutely no intention of giving it
> > up.  When a plus one
> > format was raised at the last BCS Commissioners meeting,
> > the only president
> > who indicated an interest was the president of Florida, who
> > was joined by a
> > couple of other SEC presidents.  The Big Ten, Big
> > East, Pac-10 and Big XII
> > are nearly unanimous in opposition.  Don't know about
> > the ACC but they're
> > irrelevant at this point given the stance of the other
> > four.
> > If a major legal movement that has substance gets underway,
> > the BCS will
> > simply dissolve and we'll all go back to the system in
> > place before the BCS
> > began.  There are a number of presidents who would
> > prefer that anyway.
> >
> > At its heart, this is an argument about power and money, in
> > that order.  The
> > BCS presidents have a disproportionate say on matters in
> > Division I board
> > discussions at the NCAA and they are not about to give that
> > up either.
> > Football means revenue and revenue means power.  When
> > only 18 schools have
> > athletic departments that are revenue neutral or positive
> > without a subsidy
> > from the school's general operating budget, you can be sure
> > that no
> > president is inclined to upset the apple cart no matter how
> > rosy a picture
> > ESPN may paint of the payoff from a true playoff.
> >
> > Sorry for the long message but once I got started I
> > couldn't stop.
> > Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
From herms at hotmail.com  Mon Nov  9 11:25:11 2009
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Mon Nov  9 11:25:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
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	<778584.285.qm@web113801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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This is an imperfect comparison, but this is exactly how the English Premier League got its start.  The top 20 soccer teams in England got tired of being "dragged down" by their poorer brethren and broke away to form their own league, albeit with relegation and promotion.  The new league generated tons more hype, more media exposure, and ultimately more money, and now it's among the richest leagues in professional sports.

I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know the legal implications of what would happen if the BCS schools decided to form a breakaway league.  Would it require a vote of all 320 Division I schools?  Or could they just unilaterally secede?  

At any rate, it's probably an unlikely scenario because of all the political fallout that would result.  And were a BCS breakaway league to happen, schools like NU, Vanderbilt and Stanford could get pushed out, given our attendance problems and lack of comparable revenue.  Yeah, we have the tradition and all, but a BCS breakaway league would be concerned with $ over tradition.



> From: jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
> Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:15:23 -0600
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
> To: artmiller_news@yahoo.com
> CC: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> 
> Good thought, and I've thought of this as well.  In fact, ESPN ran a piece
> earlier in the year to this effect and even had a mock draft of 40 teams to
> include (although it's obvious the 6 BCS conferences and their 65 teams plus
> Notre Dame would be the ones in the mix).
> 
> Here are the 2 problems:
> 
> 1. The BCS schools rely on the "mid-majors" for home games (revenue) and
> wins.  Big schools need 7+ home games per year to fill the seats and bring
> in revenue - the fact is that ticket sales are still the major source of
> revenue for most schools.  See the following chapter in the Knight
> Commission's latest report on the economics of collegiate athletics (the
> entire report is a good read):
> 
> http://www.knightcommission.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=367:3-revenue&catid=53&Itemid=87
> 
> Also, the "mid majors" allow the BCS schools to load up on wins and pad
> their stats.  It allows them to get to bowl games.  Note that I'm not
> complaining since NU is as guilty of this as most other teams.
> 
> Finally, don't forget that the "mid majors" are, in fact, benefiting from
> this arrangement.  They get a token amount every year from the BCS pie and
> have their own (admittedly lower tier with lower payout) bowls.  AND they
> get to go to the big schools and get big payoffs every year, which help keep
> their athletic departments running.  Delaware State even took a forfeit this
> year for going to play Michigan in order to get the paycheck (they had a
> conference game scheduled for that date but went to Michigan anyways - and,
> of course, they were pasted by Michigan).
> 
> 2. Such a change would require a vote of all of Division I (like when
> I-A/I-AA split in 1978).  The vast majority of members (there are upwards of
> 320 schools) are not BCS conference members in football and likely wouldn't
> let this fly since it would be purely a money move and they would never have
> a shot of sharing the pot.  In fact, this is the same reason why a playoff
> won't fly - because the membership would never let such a playoff happen
> without serious revenue sharing, something the BCS conferences don't want to
> share.
> 
> 
> So, instead, we're stuck with an unofficial pecking order that everybody
> knows and nobody can do anything about.  Don't expect anything to change
> because I don't think that anyone will suddenly become generous for the sake
> of fairness.  It's interesting that people go nuts about it in college,
> while there is a certain pro sports league (baseball) that has a huge
> disparity in revenue between some teams (NY vs. Kansas City, for instance)
> that directly affects competition, yet everyone knows there's no real
> solution there with the well-off owners unwilling to give up their big piece
> of the pie.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Arthur Miller <artmiller_news@yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > Mark, do you think there's any likelihood that the BCS conferences would
> > ever withdraw and form their own "division"?  Every year, there seems to be
> > more and more of an outcry from non-BCS schools, politicians, and the media
> > about revenue sharing and the lack of "fairness" in the bowl system.  What
> > if the BCS conferences decided to take their ball and go home: create their
> > own division, play games only among themselves, and define their own
> > postseason structure?  Do you think this would be bad or good?
> >
> > Personally, I tend to think this would be a good thing, even if it meant
> > we'd have to trade nonconference games against MAC or I-AA teams in favor of
> > fellow BCS schools.  The BCS schools are, by and large, those schools that
> > have been playing college football the longest.  They have the most
> > invested, and can take the most credit for its current popularity.  Even
> > though NU hasn't historically dominated the Big Ten, we can take credit for
> > being part of that history.  I don't find it obvious that we should have to
> > share revenue with any school who decides it wants to play I-A
> > football--there are too many programs as it is, and the gap in resources
> > between the top programs and bottom is tremendous--it makes a joke of the
> > idea that we are all at the same "level".  If the NFL does not allow just
> > any football club to join, why should the BCS conferences be forced to share
> > millions in bowl revenue with the likes of Boise State, who has been playing
> > at the I-A
> >  level since only 1996?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 11/8/09, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Can this day get any better???
> > > To: "Jonathan Hodges" <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
> > > Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 8:45 PM
> > > Not that i necessarily want to turn
> > > this into an entire thread rehashing the
> > > relative merits or lack thereof of the BCS, but I felt
> > > compelled to respond
> > > to the idea that the impending mess posed by the
> > > possibility of an
> > > undefeated TCU (not so likely with Utah left) and Boise
> > > State (likely since
> > > outside of Oregon they don't play anybody) and a bowl
> > > appetizing Miami,
> > > which while they don't travel well, the Florida bowls still
> > > love the Canes.
> > > Investigations by Senator Hatch or the House Ways and Means
> > > Committee which
> > > is investigating the NCAA's tax exemption and has made
> > > noises about taking
> > > on the BCS as well, don't particularly bother the
> > > presidents of the BCS
> > > schools, which is where the power lies.
> > >
> > > There is no, I repeat NO, sentiment for a playoff of any
> > > kind among the
> > > overwhelming majority of BCS school presidents and that
> > > includes a plus one
> > > format.  No amount of fan wailing or Senate saber
> > > rattling will change
> > > that.  The presidents know what power and money they
> > > wield through the BCS
> > > system and have absolutely no intention of giving it
> > > up.  When a plus one
> > > format was raised at the last BCS Commissioners meeting,
> > > the only president
> > > who indicated an interest was the president of Florida, who
> > > was joined by a
> > > couple of other SEC presidents.  The Big Ten, Big
> > > East, Pac-10 and Big XII
> > > are nearly unanimous in opposition.  Don't know about
> > > the ACC but they're
> > > irrelevant at this point given the stance of the other
> > > four.
> > > If a major legal movement that has substance gets underway,
> > > the BCS will
> > > simply dissolve and we'll all go back to the system in
> > > place before the BCS
> > > began.  There are a number of presidents who would
> > > prefer that anyway.
> > >
> > > At its heart, this is an argument about power and money, in
> > > that order.  The
> > > BCS presidents have a disproportionate say on matters in
> > > Division I board
> > > discussions at the NCAA and they are not about to give that
> > > up either.
> > > Football means revenue and revenue means power.  When
> > > only 18 schools have
> > > athletic departments that are revenue neutral or positive
> > > without a subsidy
> > > from the school's general operating budget, you can be sure
> > > that no
> > > president is inclined to upset the apple cart no matter how
> > > rosy a picture
> > > ESPN may paint of the payoff from a true playoff.
> > >
> > > Sorry for the long message but once I got started I
> > > couldn't stop.
> > > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  9 11:29:18 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov  9 11:29:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270911090915m2ce138fbt78823693f059e36d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <870632.53122.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

It's an interesting thought, but I'm not sure that we as NU fans are in a particularly strong position to be advocating anything like that. 

On the heels of one of the best seasons in school history, we can't get 20,000 NU fans in the seats for an average Big Ten game. We probably didn't draw 25,000 NU fans to a night game, on Halloween, in a winnable match-up against one of the most pedigreed opponents in college football. 

Until that changes, I don't know that we should be looking down our noses at any other programs, even the newest of newcomers.

Tom

From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Nov  9 11:36:43 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  9 11:37:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Article in Daily--Fitz Quote
Message-ID: <8CC2F7A5630B7A0-39A8-CDF0@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com>


Check out this article in today's DAILY:  http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/sports/forman-iowa-city-more-like-paradise-city-after-signature-win-1.2056185

I just loved the concluding quote from Fitz: 

?This is a great program win,? Fitzgerald said. ?It?s obviously critically important to show the direction to all those recruits throughout the country that absolutely Northwestern?s for real and you better get on the boat right now because the ship?s leaving the shore.?

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 11:37:40 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov  9 11:38:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
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> I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know the legal implications of what would
> happen if the BCS schools decided to form a breakaway league.  Would it
> require a vote of all 320 Division I schools?  Or could they just
> unilaterally secede?
>

Sure, they could secede (in football only), but the question is what would
happen in the other sports where they will still be competing in the NCAA?
I would imagine that the other Division I members wouldn't like that too
much and could basically kick them out in the remainder of the sports.  I
doubt that a 66 team division could survive while trying to support the
number of sports that they currently do - since schools don't all support
the same sports and the NCAA provides the necessary bureaucracy to make it
all run.

Sure, it's all about money, so they could likely make it work, although I
imagine that it would be at the detriment to other sports.  Another reason
why I don't think it would happen since that would directly fly in the face
of their "student athlete" mantra and non-profit status - at that point the
legislators could definitely get involved since it would essentially be a
semi-pro football league.  At least now the schools can use the NCAA as a
shield.

Jonathan
From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Mon Nov  9 13:27:53 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Mon Nov  9 13:29:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tostitos team o' week
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFC5@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

DALLAS (FWAA) - With their 17-10 win at No. 4 Iowa, the Northwestern Wildcats (6-4) are the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl National Team of the Week for games of the weekend of Nov. 7, as chosen by the board of the Football Writers Association of America.

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Mon Nov  9 14:10:21 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  9 14:10:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Article in Daily--Fitz Quote
In-Reply-To: <8CC2F7A5630B7A0-39A8-CDF0@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC2F7A5630B7A0-39A8-CDF0@webmail-d036.sysops.aol.com>
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Paul and list friends,   I liked Pat's quote, but I wonder if on that boat, one of the people getting on is Pickleboat Johnny?   Las Vegas isn't ready to get on, as we're 4 point underdogs, even without Juice Williams.

     Later, Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye@aol.com
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 12:36 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Article in Daily--Fitz Quote




heck out this article in today's DAILY:  http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/sports/forman-iowa-city-more-like-paradise-city-after-signature-win-1.2056185
I just loved the concluding quote from Fitz: 
?This is a great program win,? Fitzgerald said. ?It?s obviously critically 
mportant to show the direction to all those recruits throughout the country 
hat absolutely Northwestern?s for real and you better get on the boat right now 
ecause the ship?s leaving the shore.?
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov  9 14:17:30 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  9 14:17:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Article in Daily--Fitz Quote
Message-ID: <c7c.5d9ef4eb.3829d2da@aol.com>

Better to be underdogs--great motivational tool for Fitz to use, as we  
journey south.
 
Paul Levinson
From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov  9 14:22:21 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  9 14:22:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tostitos team o' week
Message-ID: <d47.4bdca1c9.3829d3fd@aol.com>

Now that we are the recipients of the Tostitos Honor, if we could just make 
 "Others Receiving Votes" in the polls, I'll be a happy man.:-)
 
By the way, List Friends, today is Yours Truly's 57th Birthday, and I have  
Fitz and his "Young Men" to thank for one of the least expected, most 
enjoyable  gifts I have received in a long, long time.   Everyone who knows me  
knows I have been on "Cloud 9" since our triumph on Saturday.  It's  
ridiculous how a 'Cat win like this makes me so happy, but it does, there's no  
denying that.  Thank God I got rejected by Penn and ended up in  Evanston.:-)
 
Paul
From artmiller_news at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  9 14:40:14 2009
From: artmiller_news at yahoo.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Mon Nov  9 14:40:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
In-Reply-To: <870632.53122.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <186645.73805.qm@web113802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Those are good points, Tom.  You're right--if the Almighty Buck reigns supreme in college football, we may well be left on the outside looking in.

To clarify, this isn't about "looking down our noses" at anyone--just preserving the interests of our university.  Besides, at some point there will be too many teams competing in I-A...at least that's my opinion.


--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 11:29 AM
> It's an interesting thought, but I'm
> not sure that we as NU fans are in a particularly strong
> position to be advocating anything like that. 
> 
> On the heels of one of the best seasons in school history,
> we can't get 20,000 NU fans in the seats for an average Big
> Ten game. We probably didn't draw 25,000 NU fans to a night
> game, on Halloween, in a winnable match-up against one of
> the most pedigreed opponents in college football. 
> 
> Until that changes, I don't know that we should be looking
> down our noses at any other programs, even the newest of
> newcomers.
> 
> Tom
> 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Nov  9 14:40:33 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Nov  9 14:40:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tostitos team o' week
In-Reply-To: <d47.4bdca1c9.3829d3fd@aol.com> from "NEONRye@aol.com" at Nov 09,
	2009 03:22:21 PM
Message-ID: <200911092040.nA9KeXg9008289@romaine.tssi.com>

> Now that we are the recipients of the Tostitos Honor, if we could just make 
>  "Others Receiving Votes" in the polls, I'll be a happy man.:-)

Speaking of the 'ORV' list, what AP voters still have N*D* on their ballots?  
--
Mike Nolan

From DPENDERG at aol.com  Mon Nov  9 14:54:57 2009
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  9 14:55:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Article in Daily--Fitz Quote
Message-ID: <cd6.5858edf8.3829dba1@aol.com>

 
I love Fitz's enthusiasm, but he might be rushing a little  fast in 
declaring the national significance of the Iowa City victory.  If  his team lays a 
huge egg in Champaign before another ESPN audience, then  the pundits will 
rush to define last Saturday as a "fluke" and not anything  defining for the 
NU football program.  We all can spell "letdown," Coach  Fitz.  We cannot 
afford one on Saturday or the Wildcat ship will end up  sinking offshore.  
 
 
In a message dated 11/9/2009 12:37:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
neonrye@aol.com writes:


Check out this article in today's DAILY:   
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/sports/forman-iowa-city-more-like-paradise-city-after-signature-win-1.205618
5

I  just loved the concluding quote from Fitz: 

?This is a great program  win,? Fitzgerald said. ?It?s obviously 
critically important to show the  direction to all those recruits throughout the 
country that absolutely  Northwestern?s for real and you better get on the boat 
right now because the  ship?s leaving the  shore.?

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  9 14:56:40 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov  9 14:56:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
In-Reply-To: <186645.73805.qm@web113802.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <446196.32026.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> To clarify, this isn't about "looking down our noses" at
> anyone--

Sorry, that may not have been the best way to put it. As noted, it's just that if there's any division of the have and have-nots, we could end up in the wrong pile. 

> Besides, at some point there will be too
> many teams competing in I-A...at least that's my opinion.

Agreed. We might already be at that point already.

Tom

From ddave at nusports.com  Mon Nov  9 18:30:08 2009
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Mon Nov  9 18:30:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Hoops?
Message-ID: <20091109163008.6F333BA9@resin17.mta.everyone.net>

Apologize in advance for the brief diversion from football (I'm still  floating  after  getting  all sort of kudos from friends after  NU's  showing  this  weekend  in Ioway), but a couple of questions about hoops:

(1+)  NU  rolls over Robert Morris in exhibition, the same team that  beat  NU last  year.  Is  that because NU is that much better? or Robert  Morris  is not as good as they were last year?
or just that the newbies (Shurna, Mirkovic, etc.) having a full  season  under  their belt? Is it any sort of indicator to the   season   ahead   or   simply   an   exhibition  game  vs. non-competitive opponent?

(2)   For  those more in the know - who is going to try to fill Craig Moore's shoes this season?

(3)   Even  with  the  return of all significant players except Moore  (and  even  if Moore were to magically return), what are the  chances  of  the  'Cats actually moving up in the Big 10 standings?
(given  the  overall  youth prevalent on the other BT teams). I don't recall significant losses by many teams. To me, the 'Cats fortunes  of  potentially making the 'you know what' at the end of  the  season  are  going to be very much dependent on a near perfect   non-conf   record  or  a  great showing  at  the  BT tournament.Thoughts?

Go  'Cats!  Beat  up  on  "Illinois" this week...taking care of Northern  Illinois  Friday  in   hoops,  then  saturday  on  the football field in Champaign.



dave bradley
(717) 687-5355-home
(717) 333-7611-cell
ddave@NUsports.com

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov  9 19:01:13 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov  9 19:02:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Hoops?
In-Reply-To: <20091109163008.6F333BA9@resin17.mta.everyone.net>
References: <20091109163008.6F333BA9@resin17.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270911091701g5e6bacf4gbb91c128d72d391e@mail.gmail.com>

> (1+)  NU  rolls over Robert Morris in exhibition, the same team that  beat
>  NU last  year.  Is  that because NU is that much better? or Robert  Morris
>  is not as good as they were last year?
> or just that the newbies (Shurna, Mirkovic, etc.) having a full  season
>  under  their belt? Is it any sort of indicator to the   season   ahead   or
>   simply   an   exhibition  game  vs. non-competitive opponent?
>

I wasn't at the game, but I heard that Robert Morris was far worse looking
than last year.  They had a lot of Div. I castoffs last season who moved on
or got cast off further following last season.  BUT, don't discount the fact
that last year Carmody threw a ton of true/redshirt freshmen to the wolves
in the exhibition game without enough requisite practice/playing time under
their belt in the Princeton offense system - which does take some time to
pick up.


>
> (2)   For  those more in the know - who is going to try to fill Craig
> Moore's shoes this season?
>

True freshman Drew Crawford from nearby Naperville.  He isn't the pure
shooter that Moore was, but he is supposed to be a special player.  It will
be interesting to see how he comes along (he is also one of NU's biggest
recruits in some time).


>
> (3)   Even  with  the  return of all significant players except Moore  (and
>  even  if Moore were to magically return), what are the  chances  of  the
>  'Cats actually moving up in the Big 10 standings?
> (given  the  overall  youth prevalent on the other BT teams). I don't
> recall significant losses by many teams. To me, the 'Cats fortunes  of
>  potentially making the 'you know what' at the end of  the  season  are
>  going to be very much dependent on a near perfect   non-conf   record  or
>  a  great showing  at  the  BT tournament.Thoughts?
>

The Big Ten is supposed to be tough this year, with a slew of teams in the
preseason rankings and MSU expected to be national-title caliber again.  But
NU is still supposed to be a middle of the pack team that has a legitimate
chance of making the NCAAs (a manageable nonconference schedule and a total
of 20 home games helps).

I'm not a big basketball guy, but hope that helps.

Jonathan
From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Nov  9 19:39:29 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Nov  9 19:40:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] not sports,
	but...alum's documentary airing nationally this Wed.
In-Reply-To: <20091109163008.6F333BA9@resin17.mta.everyone.net>
References: <20091109163008.6F333BA9@resin17.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A650113E805E9@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>

Gita Pullapilly, a Medill alum, produced an acclaimed documentary that's scheduled to air nationally this Wed. (Veteran's Day) on PBS @ 9p Eastern.  It's called "The Way We Get By," it'll be on the "POV" program and more info is @ http://www.thewaywegetbymovie.com/.

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Nov  9 20:16:52 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  9 20:17:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Hoops?
Message-ID: <c7c.5da773c8.382a2714@aol.com>

eeeek I am basking in the glory of our triumph over the hated corn holers  
and you bring up NU basketball, please stop.
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  9 20:32:21 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov  9 20:32:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU on MNF
In-Reply-To: <20091109163008.6F333BA9@resin17.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <928433.22390.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Watching the Steelers on MNF, the promo for ABC/ESPN college football coverage showed a clip of Dunsmore's catch followed by a shot of Iowa fans with their heads in their hands in despair. 

Go Cats!

Tom

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  9 20:40:37 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov  9 20:40:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
In-Reply-To: <870632.53122.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <492774.13626.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> On the heels of one of the best seasons in school history,
> we can't get 20,000 NU fans in the seats for an average Big
> Ten game. We probably didn't draw 25,000 NU fans to a night

We had more than 25K vs. PSU.

But seriously, I am just sick of the whole attendance talk -- we've put a darn good product on the field for 15 years with more bang for the buck than anywhere else with upsets and thrilling finishes, and if Chicago can't get on board with that, tough. Forget 'em!

Plus, I really think it's unfair to look at attendance numbers this year with the economic downturn -- everyone's hurting this year. Sunday's Arizona Republic had a big article on how the Suns -- Arizona's most favorite of teams -- had their sellout streak broken despite a great start to the year ... and ASU, never able to fill their huge stadium despite having the largest student body in America and a huge local alumni base, is really struggling ... and how even the Fiesta Bowl is in big trouble (and the tickets this year are renewable for next year's title game).

The NFL is even struggling to fill seats (and not just in Jacksonville) -- so yes, we have attendance woes, but this year is something that goes far beyond the usual NU problems.

As for forming their own division, John did a pretty good job explaining why this can't happen -- the big boys need the MACs and WACs to feast on for home games, money, stats and wins. Heck, what would Florida, Texas or Penn State do if they could only play BCS league teams?:)

But I still think this is gonna be a veeeeery interesting BCS finish if TCU and Boise win out. Of course, Utah could save the embarrassment by topping TCU this week, so we'll see what happens.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!



      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  9 20:45:59 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov  9 20:46:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU on MNF
In-Reply-To: <928433.22390.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <122643.74196.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> promo for ABC/ESPN college football coverage showed a clip
> of Dunsmore's catch followed by a shot of Iowa fans with
> their heads in their hands in despair. 

If you're like me and just can't get enough, click on ...

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/hawkeyes

They have photo galleries of the game with about 20 shots of stunned bumblebee fans in disbelief that their team just lost to "jNWU" yet again.

They also have an article still talking B(C)S ... as if they won't plummet after a whuppin' in Columbus this weekend.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  9 20:59:36 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov  9 20:59:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
In-Reply-To: <492774.13626.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <114201.89002.qm@web33106.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> 
> We had more than 25K vs. PSU.

More than 25K NU fans? I thought the attendance was right around 30K, and I figured 5K PSU fans at least?

Agree that the economy must be holding down turnout to some degree. Again, though, my point was that we aren't in much of a position to suggest some teams may not be FBS-worthy.

Tom

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Mon Nov  9 21:29:11 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov  9 21:29:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
In-Reply-To: <492774.13626.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC2FCD1AE369F2-2A70-877@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com>


   Amazing what herniated disks in your back can do; I've been posting more in the past few days than I have all season! No honey-dos at least until the medication kicks in!
   Steven:  Good points about the recession being a factor as impacting attendance.  My company has seen reduction in salary (me included) as well as under 40 hours per week for our hourlies, so guess what happened to going to Syracuse(6 hours north of where I live.)?...POOF up in smoke.
   You cited Arizona St's lack of  drawing people, and another poster pointed out that TCU can't fill their stadium, although I read an article at CBSSportsline that they've sold out their 1st game in 3 years. (vs. Utah this weekend.)
   And as laborious as the subject is, it's still worth talking about, and shouldn't be dismissed.  It's the reason why we get passed over; twice by the Outback Bowl to the Alamo, where we had Top 8 talent in Missouri and Nebraska waiting for us.  
   Its been pointed out that season ticket holders have been shuffled around, not to mention us yahoos who get off the "L", although my last game in Evanston was the 2005 opener vs. Ohio.  The best ideas I've seen, and chimed in, are later starts and cheap seats Goal line-20 yard line and end zone seats, or a $regular-priced ticket that includes a hot dog, Coke and a program.  
  Having some one other than East Mich., Towson and Miami(OH>) would help.  It wasn't too long ago we had Kansas and Arizona St. 
   Illinois: Any one know anything about this red-shirt QB?  I know  Juice generated the first 2 touchdowns, and the 2nd stringer moved them pretty well, but Minnesota nearly came back which tells me their defense figured something out, as they were behind 7-28, and lost 32-35.
   Basketball:  Bring it on!  I watched NC and Syracuse tonight for a bit. Looking forward to Friday's game vs. Northern.

              GO CATS!!             Eric
  
  
   
   

-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?



> On the heels of one of the best seasons in school history,
 we can't get 20,000 NU fans in the seats for an average Big
 Ten game. We probably didn't draw 25,000 NU fans to a night
We had more than 25K vs. PSU.
But seriously, I am just sick of the whole attendance talk -- we've put a darn 
ood product on the field for 15 years with more bang for the buck than anywhere 
lse with upsets and thrilling finishes, and if Chicago can't get on board with 
hat, tough. Forget 'em!
Plus, I really think it's unfair to look at attendance numbers this year with 
he economic downturn -- everyone's hurting this year. Sunday's Arizona Republic 
ad a big article on how the Suns -- Arizona's most favorite of teams -- had 
heir sellout streak broken despite a great start to the year ... and ASU, never 
ble to fill their huge stadium despite having the largest student body in 
merica and a huge local alumni base, is really struggling ... and how even the 
iesta Bowl is in big trouble (and the tickets this year are renewable for next 
ear's title game).
The NFL is even struggling to fill seats (and not just in Jacksonville) -- so 
es, we have attendance woes, but this year is something that goes far beyond 
he usual NU problems.
As for forming their own division, John did a pretty good job explaining why 
his can't happen -- the big boys need the MACs and WACs to feast on for home 
ames, money, stats and wins. Heck, what would Florida, Texas or Penn State do 
f they could only play BCS league teams?:)
But I still think this is gonna be a veeeeery interesting BCS finish if TCU and 
oise win out. Of course, Utah could save the embarrassment by topping TCU this 
eek, so we'll see what happens.
GO CATS!!!
SjT
* * * * * * * * *
TEPHEN J. TRUOG
jtruog@yahoo.com
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  9 21:54:19 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov  9 21:54:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 11
Message-ID: <782935.46259.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I really don?t like how my teams keep getting down early by double digits, but if they all end up like they did this week, I?ll take it! Fitz gets his first huge upset in Iowa City against the hated bumblebees ? and the Saints stay perfect against the hated Panthers. Dunno how long it will all last, but I?ll enjoy the moment this week.

No standings until Veteran?s Day at least, but with the friggin? baseball season finally finished, we have Thursday night NFL action and a pretty big game (by Big Least standards) on Friday night, so with the holiday midweek, I wanted to get these out tonight.

November?s here and we have some dandies this week ? all eyes will be in Columbus, but the big game in the Big Ten may be in West Lafayette, where Danny Hope could quietly pull off a heckuva coaching job and get Purdue on the brink of a bowl by beating Sparty. Winner stays alive for the bowl bash ? and Michigan and Indiana and Illinois also face must-wins. Nationally, all B(C)S eyes will be on the Utes and Froggies, but ND/Pitt could be an equally interesting ?poser bowl? between two teams who have been overrated all season. One more loss and it?s bye-bye, Charlie!

Picks due by kickoff FRIDAY! LET?S GO CATS!!! BEAT THE ILLINI!!!

PIGSKIN PICKS ? WEEK 11
=======================
Name: 

BIG TEN
-------
GAME 1: Indiana @ Penn State
WINNER: 

GAME 2: Iowa @ Ohio State
WINNER: 

GAME 3: Michigan @ Wisconsin
WINNER: 

GAME 4: Michigan State @ Purdue
WINNER: 

GAME 5: South Dakota State @ Minnesota
WINNER: 

NATIONAL
--------
GAME 6: West Virginia @ Cincinnati
WINNER: 

GAME 7: Utah @ Texas Christian
WINNER: 

GAME 8: Notre Dame @ Pittsburgh
WINNER: 

GAME 9: Auburn @ Georgia
WINNER: 

GAME 10: Arizona State @ Oregon
WINNER: 

MY PICKS
========
* PENN STATE 35, Indiana 17 ? Tough call as aside from one quarter, PSU has been flat the past two weeks and the Hoosiers are playing for their bowl lives ? still gotta go with JoePa on senior day.

* OHIO STATE 27, Iowa 3 ? Without Stanzi, the Hawkeyes won?t pose much of a threat on offense and the Buckeyes, who amazingly haven?t smelled the Roses since 1997, get a trip to Pasadena ? which is NEVER a consolation prize!

* WISCONSIN 45, Michigan 21 ? RichRod is running out of time in Ann Arbor after choking away a sure bowl bid after a 4-0 start, and a thumping in Madison to a Wisconsin team trying to impress the Citrus folk won?t help.

* PURDUE 38, Michigan State 34 ? Hard not to cheer for Danny Hope here ? after all those close losses to start the year, most teams would have packed it in on the verge of a seventh loss, but the Boilers have beaten the Buckeyes and Wolverines ? and after beating Sparty, they?ll be a Bucket win away from a bowl bid.

* MINNESOTA 30, South Dakota State 10 ? How lucky are the Gophers? A week after choking away a sixth win to the Illini, they get a second chance against SDSU ? better win or they?ll have to win the Bacon Bowl in Iowa City to go bowling.

* CINCINNATI 51, West Virginia 42 ? The Bearcats seemingly don?t have a defense (40+ to UConn???), but they don?t need one in the Big Least.

* TCU 23, Utah 20 ? Should be a heck of a game and Utah?s had TCU?s number lately, but the Froggies are at home and know that this is their last obstacle to a B(C)S berth.

* NOTRE DAME 36, Pittsburgh 33 ? I don?t believe either of these teams are that good (especially their defenses, which should make for a fun game) ? the Irish were exposed last week, so it?s Pitt - ?we lost at NC State? ? sburgh?s turn this week.

* GEORGIA 27, Auburn 24 ? Mild upset here as the SEC middle gets as muddled as the Big Ten and ACC.

* OREGON 48, Arizona State 14 ? The Sun Devils played inspired last week against the Trojans, but in Autzen against an angry Ducks team is another matter.

And off the board ?

* NORTHWESTERN 26, Illinois 24 ? The Illini are vastly improved without Juice, and they?ll be looking to play spoiler for a third straight week at home in this rivalry game ? and the Cats are hobbled at QB so it should be a nailbiter ? but after last week?s win, you gotta hope Fitz and the Cats believe in each other and will carry the momentum over into a better bowl bid so they don?t pass us over again.

Picks due by Friday?s kickoff!
GO CATS!!!
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Nov 10 08:45:11 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Nov 10 08:45:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
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> But seriously, I am just sick of the whole attendance talk -- we've put a darn good product on the field for 15 years with more bang for the buck than anywhere else with upsets and thrilling finishes,

Can't deny there have been thrilling finishes over the years.  Can't deny a small fan base is part of the attendance problem.  But the economy?  Seen the stands at Ohio State and Penn State lately?  Seems to me that NU grads are among the least affected by an economic downturn.

The biggest problem is the Cats' year-to-year inconsistency on the field.  As we discussed earlier this season, some (me) predicted a 10 - 2 finish, others said 3 - 9, and most offered predictions somewhere in between.  Think Ohio State and Florida fans made such a wide range of prognostications?  If Michigan fans were jolted by their team's drop-off, does anyone doubt they will return to powerhouse status eventually?  We had the amazing glory days of '95 and '96, a so-so '97, and the inglorious '98 and '99 seasons.  The introduction of the spread offense inspired a comeback in 2000, but that faltered in 2001.  After that, the team was average or worse until Fitz gradually began turning it into "pretty good."  Fans will come IF there is almost ALWAYS a chance of winning the Big Ten crown, which by definition means having a legitimate shot at defeating the Big Three and not having to await one of our infrequent up years matching one of their rare down years to do it.  The enthusiasm of the Northwestern Cinderella story has worn off.  The NU football team raised fans' expectations but failed to deliver consistently.  To do that, they must at least peek through that talent ceiling and recruit more high-caliber football players.
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 09:37:17 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Nov 10 09:37:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
In-Reply-To: <2469C45561A84BF8A8B661ADE54E4593@DennisMachine>
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> Can't deny there have been thrilling finishes over the
> years.? Can't deny a small fan base is part of the
> attendance problem.? But the economy?? Seen the
> stands at Ohio State and Penn State lately?? Seems to
> me that NU grads are among the least affected by an economic
> downturn.

We've been debating the "is it the economy" question in the stands all year, wondering if other venues/teams were seeing similar declines. From what Stephen said, it sounds like that is the case.

OSU, PSU, Nebraska, and places like that are probably not a useful comparison. Those teams have massive fan bases, who *highly* value their tickets. For tens of thousands of fans at those schools, football tickets would be among the last things they would give up as a result of economic hardship. 

Obviously, we don't have anything like that kind of fan base, built over generations of hard-core loyalty. 

I have no doubt that the lack of consistent winning is a big factor. It seems like every time we're about to get the ball really rolling, we have an off year. Bates gets hurt in '97 and things get weird in '98, all of the issues that impacted the 2001 team, and so on. 

That's the "big picture" problem, which consistent winning should take care of. 

But I don't think any of that explains why turnouts have been so unusually poor this year, coming off a very strong year. 

I have to guess the economic situation is having some impact. Not with the hard-core fans perhaps, but we have, what, maybe 10K to 12K season ticket holders?. 

Rather, I would guess it's the casual fan who is staying home. And given that almost every game is available on TV at no charge, it's understandable. 

For a valid comparison, you'd want to look at other teams (college or otherwise) who generally operate at less than capacity in an average year--are those teams down this year, regardless of their on-field potential or performance? 

>From Stephen's comments and a few other bits of evidence I've heard (re. NFL blackouts, for example), it sounds like that is the case.

Tom


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Nov 10 09:41:05 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 10 09:41:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
Message-ID: <c60.55522508.382ae391@aol.com>

One thing for sure, if the SEC told Florida, LSU or anybody to play at 11  
AM there would be a riot. Saturday morning is for golf not  tailgating.
From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Nov 10 10:14:24 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Nov 10 10:14:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
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I can appreciate the appeal of a simple solutions.
 
To summarize this one - Fans will fill our stadium if our team win more consistently.  In order to win more consistently we have to recruit at the same level as the teams you mentioned - OSU, Michigan, and Florida.
 
The problem with simple solutions are that they are most effective solving simple problems.  
 
Establishing a robust college sports program in a major metropolitan area is a complex problem.
 
For example, if inconsistency and fan disappointment is the root cause for erosion in fan support, how do you explain the Cubs and Bears?
 
The reality is that the team is progressing.  Our recruiting classes have improved every year under Fitz without diluting our advantage - we attract kids who appreciate the value of a Northwestern degree.  
 
We are also winning more consistently.  In past years, the season following the graduation of a senior QB was dreadful.  This year we did what quality programs do, we reloaded rather than rebuilt.
 
In years past, one or two key injuries tanked our season.  This year we overcame those injuries and became bowl eligible.  That's because the quality of our second and third stringers is better than it has been.
 
The sort of football program that you crave is being built underneath your nose.  More patience and trust will yield the result on the field that you desire.
 
I can't say how long it will take for the fans in Chicago to wake up to what is going on in Evanston.  
 
The serious challenge we have to filling all those empty seats is our small undergrad population.  We have to depend on a higher percentage of alums and friends to make our stadium SEEM full than many of our BT peers.  It really is fairly simple math.  Kids go to the games because that's part of the college experience.  Parents go to the game to share that experience with their kids.  Alums go to the game because they went when they were kids.  When you have 40K kids, you can average 40K on the strength of these three components pretty realiably regardless of the quality of the team.  In our case this is only going to generate 10K or maybe 15K when the team is really good.
 
As far as being Cinderella.  I think that is the best part of being a Northwestern fan.  We will always be the underdog and I don't mind.
 
Jeff
 
 
 
 


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> But seriously, I am just sick of the whole attendance talk -- we've put a darn good product on the field for 15 years with more bang for the buck than anywhere else with upsets and thrilling finishes,

Can't deny there have been thrilling finishes over the years.  Can't deny a small fan base is part of the attendance problem.  But the economy?  Seen the stands at Ohio State and Penn State lately?  Seems to me that NU grads are among the least affected by an economic downturn.

The biggest problem is the Cats' year-to-year inconsistency on the field.  As we discussed earlier this season, some (me) predicted a 10 - 2 finish, others said 3 - 9, and most offered predictions somewhere in between.  Think Ohio State and Florida fans made such a wide range of prognostications?  If Michigan fans were jolted by their team's drop-off, does anyone doubt they will return to powerhouse status eventually?  We had the amazing glory days of '95 and '96, a so-so '97, and the inglorious '98 and '99 seasons.  The introduction of the spread offense inspired a comeback in 2000, but that faltered in 2001.  After that, the team was average or worse until Fitz gradually began turning it into "pretty good."  Fans will come IF there is almost ALWAYS a chance of winning the Big Ten crown, which by definition means having a legitimate shot at defeating the Big Three and not having to await one of our infrequent up years matching one of their rare down years to do it.  The enthusiasm of the Northwestern Cinderella story has worn off.  The NU football team raised fans' expectations but failed to deliver consistently.  To do that, they must at least peek through that talent ceiling and recruit more high-caliber football players.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 10 10:16:31 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 10 10:16:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ebert at QB?
Message-ID: <004601ca6221$2b204b60$8160e220$@com>

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/1873376,northwestern-football-notes-09.article

Hidden in the news about NU getting ready for Ill-noise, I saw a comment: Wide receiver Jeremy
Ebert reportedly took snaps in practice last week. And #3 is true frosh Evan Watkins.

I guess the upper classmen are there but essentially out of the mix? I thought Mauro was a
decent (but not as good as Persa) QB

rsl



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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Tue Nov 10 10:24:43 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Tue Nov 10 10:25:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
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The SEC has a game of the week, every Saturday starting at 11:21 Central time. LSU has played in that time slot this season, but I think Bama and Florida have always had more preferable time slots.

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>
>One thing for sure, if the SEC told Florida, LSU or anybody to play at 11  
>AM there would be a riot. Saturday morning is for golf not  tailgating.

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 10:30:06 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Nov 10 10:30:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ebert at QB?
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> http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/1873376,northwestern-football-notes-09.article
> 
> Hidden in the news about NU getting ready for Ill-noise, I
> saw a comment: Wide receiver Jeremy
> Ebert reportedly took snaps in practice last week. 

Yeah, that was reported somewhere last week as well. 

> I guess the upper classmen are there but essentially out of
> the mix? I thought Mauro was a decent (but not as good as Persa) QB

Mauro is apparently injured. He was suited up for the first several games (I think he played against Towson), but starting about 3 weeks or so ago, he's been in sweats on the sidelines. He's usually one of the guys signaling in plays. 

I think they really want to avoid burning Watkins' redshirt this late in the season if at all possible. Hence Ebert as the backup.

Tom

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 10 11:54:45 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 10 11:54:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
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There is no simple solution, but an old sales maxim is that if they don't buy, you can either lower your price or add more things to the proposal.

IBM did this kind of thing for years and their mainframe computers were widely used, not because they were necessarily better (you true geeks can fight over that one), but their sales guys knew how to get top dollar by offering more.

Unfortunately, I think NU has priced themselves out of the market. 

In my case, I just can't justify spending the airfare, the possible hotel stay, car rental to get to the off campus hotel, and the tickets to the game. I'd like to go, but it?s a lot of money for 2 people (my wife included) to go to Evanston for a game. Besides, I am probably the #1 jinx for home football, I've never seen NU win a game at home and I'm afraid that jinx will continue.

Basketball is another story - they win when I come into town but those games are even more expensive since you do have to stay over.

As for those from the Chicago area, we just don't seem to have many Alums in Chicago, at least not as many as other schools. My fraternity, Chi Phi, is holding a game watching party in Chicago to try to help reorganize the Illinois and NU chapters - everyone who is coming so far is from other Big 10 Schools!

So, we can try dropping the price and see what we get or we can improve the quality of play, and hope we get the media coverage that gets the possible fans excited.

But with our "friends" down in South Bend dominating the Trib and Sun-Times football coverage, don't count on anything big - maybe this week we get a big splash, but beating Iowa should have been the lead story in the Sunday papers, and I bet it wasn't.

rsl
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I can appreciate the appeal of a simple solutions.
 
To summarize this one - Fans will fill our stadium if our team win more consistently.  In order to win more consistently we have to recruit at the same level as the teams you mentioned - OSU, Michigan, and Florida.
 
The problem with simple solutions are that they are most effective solving simple problems.  
 
Establishing a robust college sports program in a major metropolitan area is a complex problem.


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 12:03:26 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Nov 10 12:03:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
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> anything big - maybe this week we get a big splash, but
> beating Iowa should have been the lead story in the Sunday
> papers, and I bet it wasn't.

Actually, it was, at least in the Tribune sports section. Granted, one of the two lead stories was a comparison of NU and ND (favorable in terms of NU), but it was pretty prominent coverage. That's been the exception this year, though.

Tom

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 12:11:18 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Nov 10 12:11:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ebert at QB?
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> I think they really want to avoid burning Watkins' redshirt this late in
> the season if at all possible. Hence Ebert as the backup.
>

Yes, Fitz basically confirmed this after the Penn State game when he said
that he would use one of the many QBs on NU's roster over Watkins to avoid
burning his redshirt.  Some other high school QBs on NU's roster off the top
of my head: Brewer, Smith, and Phillips.

It is pretty clear that this is an emergency-only move, though, and I think
either Kafka or Persa should be ready to go on Saturday.

Jonathan
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 12:13:42 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Nov 10 12:14:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
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> Can't deny there have been thrilling finishes over the years.  Can't deny a
> small fan base is part of the attendance problem.  But the economy?  Seen
> the stands at Ohio State and Penn State lately?  Seems to me that NU grads
> are among the least affected by an economic downturn.
>

I agree that the economy is not a sufficient excuse for NU's attendance
woes.  We all know the slew of issues involved.  Sure, the economy doesn't
help, but it's not one of the primary causes.


>
> The biggest problem is the Cats' year-to-year inconsistency on the field.
>

Once again, I have to strongly disagree with you (and I always disagree with
NU fans who seemingly throw the program under the bus for not winning a
championship every year).  Northwestern has, in fact, put together the most
consistently good decade and a half of Wildcat football ever.  The Wildcats
have now won six or more games in six of the last seven years and have gone
to four bowls (likely to become five) this decade.  As I've mentioned
numerous times before, NU will not become a football factory.  Even so,
other teams that aren't factories are able to bring in fans, and hopefully
NU will do what it can to emulate them.  I root for NU to win every game but
I'm also a realist.

Jonathan
From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Nov 10 13:27:02 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Nov 10 13:27:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
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[NU Sports] NU Attendance et alThe reality is that the team is progressing.  Our recruiting classes have improved every year under Fitz without diluting our advantage - we attract kids who appreciate the value of a Northwestern degree.  We are also winning more consistently.
  I have stated several times here that Fitz IS improving the caliber of recruits.  I have also said here that he will need ten years or so to keep the pipeline flowing.  Ergo, I don't disagree.  I do, however, believe Fitz will be limited by academic standards, inadequate funding, and facilities that cannot match the winning programs.  Lacking that, he will be hard-pressed to bring in better talent, we will never be a Big Ten powerhouse, which recently hasn't meant a national powerhouse.

  The sort of football program that you crave is being built underneath your nose.  More patience and trust will yield the result on the field that you desire.

  See above answer.  But do not consider it possible to build a consistent winner without the talent that has traditionally avoided NU.  It must improve beyond averaging three stars.  While that in itself is a big improvement reflected in not losing games 62 - 7 anymore, it is not enough in the long run.

  I can't say how long it will take for the fans in Chicago to wake up to what is going on in Evanston.  

  When they can count on the Cats being as good as Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State year after year.  I do not - indeed they HAVE not - followed their roller coaster gridiron ride beyond Cinderella's coach reverting to vegetable status.

  As far as being Cinderella.  I think that is the best part of being a Northwestern fan.  We will always be the underdog and I don't mind.

  All nice and exciting but the wrong attitude to building a successful football program.  The concept that consistent quality football equates to "football factory" stems at least partly from snobbery.  (And don't tell me it doesn't exist at Northwestern.  I lived with it for four years.)  Why not offer phys-ed and sports management degrees at NU?  Does the school feel that jocks are inherently stupid and demean the university's good name?  Surely, the absence of these programs is part of the reason we fail to get some of the better recruits.

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 14:00:16 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Nov 10 14:00:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's respect for Northwestern
Message-ID: <555015.8728.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I just clicked on Pat Forde's ESPN column. He congratulates the Wildcats for beating Iowa. HOWEVER, it looks like they used a file photo from 2008 that shows Eric Peterman (10) and CJ Bacher (18) celebrating last year's win in Iowa City. Since both expired eligibility in 2008, either Mr. Forde or Coach Fitzgerald have some explaining to do. 

Perhaps this is an intentional rub against the Hawkeyes (pointing out that we've beaten them in the corn two years in a row), but it smells of laziness. Either way, I have copied Mr. Forde on this email. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&page=dash0911&sportCat=ncf

Victory & Honor,
Jim


      

From ddave at nusports.com  Tue Nov 10 14:25:08 2009
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Tue Nov 10 14:25:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's respect for Northwestern
Message-ID: <20091110122508.6F0F8816@resin09.mta.everyone.net>

There's a new picture there now (post fumble recovery in endzone)  :-)

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Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's respect for Northwestern
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 12:00:16 -0800 (PST)

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I just clicked on Pat Forde's ESPN column. He congratulates the Wildcats for beating Iowa. HOWEVER, it looks like they used a file photo from 2008 that shows Eric Peterman (10) and CJ Bacher (18) celebrating last year's win in Iowa City. Since both expired eligibility in 2008, either Mr. Forde or Coach Fitzgerald have some explaining to do. 

Perhaps this is an intentional rub against the Hawkeyes (pointing out that we've beaten them in the corn two years in a row), but it smells of laziness. Either way, I have copied Mr. Forde on this email. 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&page=dash0911&sportCat=ncf

Victory & Honor,
Jim


      

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Nov 10 14:48:06 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 10 14:48:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
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My memory is hazy on this, but aren't we speaking of something akin to the College Football Association, formed in the early 80's after Oklahoma and Georgia sued the NCAA for violating the Sherman Anti-trust act ?

As I remember it, the Big Ten and Pac-10 stayed out of the CFA, which I think broke up after Notre Dame signed their own deal.

Since the BCS isn't really associated with the NCAA (I think ?), and since the BCS Championship is not an officially sanctioned NCAA championship (?), couldn't the BCS unilaterally declare that only schools from the BCS conferences could participate in, share money from, and win a BCS championship ?

I would trust that in any situation like this, the Big Ten and Pac-10 would take the high road once again, and participate only if the new entity behaved in a manner befitting the Pac-10 and Big Ten - i.e. no conference school could be kicked out for being small, etc.

And I believe that we would always be protected, since we were a founding member of the Big Ten.  And I say bring it on.  Have the BCS declare that only BCS schools would play for the championship.  They could play mid-majors to get non-conf victories, but Boise State, Utah, etc. could never play for a championship.

Perhaps then, the NCAA could develop a playoff for the mid-majors, while leaving the bowls to the big boys.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?




  Amazing what herniated disks in your back can do; I've been posting more in 
he past few days than I have all season! No honey-dos at least until the 
edication kicks in!
  Steven:  Good points about the recession being a factor as impacting 
ttendance.  My company has seen reduction in salary (me included) as well as 
nder 40 hours per week for our hourlies, so guess what happened to going to 
yracuse(6 hours north of where I live.)?...POOF up in smoke.
  You cited Arizona St's lack of  drawing people, and another poster pointed 
ut that TCU can't fill their stadium, although I read an article at 
BSSportsline that they've sold out their 1st game in 3 years. (vs. Utah this 
eekend.)
  And as laborious as the subject is, it's still worth talking about, and 
houldn't be dismissed.  It's the reason why we get passed over; twice by the 
utback Bowl to the Alamo, where we had Top 8 talent in Missouri and Nebraska 
aiting for us.  
  Its been pointed out that season ticket holders have been shuffled around, 
ot to mention us yahoos who get off the "L", although my last game in Evanston 
as the 2005 opener vs. Ohio.  The best ideas I've seen, and chimed in, are 
ater starts and cheap seats Goal line-20 yard line and end zone seats, or a 
regular-priced ticket that includes a hot dog, Coke and a program.  
 Having some one other than East Mich., Towson and Miami(OH>) would help.  It 
asn't too long ago we had Kansas and Arizona St. 
  Illinois: Any one know anything about this red-shirt QB?  I know  Juice 
enerated the first 2 touchdowns, and the 2nd stringer moved them pretty well, 
ut Minnesota nearly came back which tells me their defense figured something 
ut, as they were behind 7-28, and lost 32-35.
  Basketball:  Bring it on!  I watched NC and Syracuse tonight for a bit. 
ooking forward to Friday's game vs. Northern.
              GO CATS!!             Eric
 
 
  
  
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ent: Mon, Nov 9, 2009 9:40 pm
ubject: Re: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?

> On the heels of one of the best seasons in school history,
we can't get 20,000 NU fans in the seats for an average Big
Ten game. We probably didn't draw 25,000 NU fans to a night
e had more than 25K vs. PSU.
ut seriously, I am just sick of the whole attendance talk -- we've put a darn 
od product on the field for 15 years with more bang for the buck than anywhere 
se with upsets and thrilling finishes, and if Chicago can't get on board with 
at, tough. Forget 'em!
lus, I really think it's unfair to look at attendance numbers this year with 
e economic downturn -- everyone's hurting this year. Sunday's Arizona Republic 
d a big article on how the Suns -- Arizona's most favorite of teams -- had 
eir sellout streak broken despite a great start to the year ... and ASU, never 
le to fill their huge stadium despite having the largest student body in 
erica and a huge local alumni base, is really struggling ... and how even the 
esta Bowl is in big trouble (and the tickets this year are renewable for next 
ar's title game).
he NFL is even struggling to fill seats (and not just in Jacksonville) -- so 
s, we have attendance woes, but this year is something that goes far beyond 
e usual NU problems.
s for forming their own division, John did a pretty good job explaining why 
is can't happen -- the big boys need the MACs and WACs to feast on for home 
mes, money, stats and wins. Heck, what would Florida, Texas or Penn State do 
 they could only play BCS league teams?:)
ut I still think this is gonna be a veeeeery interesting BCS finish if TCU and 
ise win out. Of course, Utah could save the embarrassment by topping TCU this 
ek, so we'll see what happens.
O CATS!!!
jT
 * * * * * * * *
EPHEN J. TRUOG
truog@yahoo.com
 CATS!!!
      
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 14:52:10 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Nov 10 14:52:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Sun-Times lead Sunday
Message-ID: <1981708067-1257886329-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-442806414-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Was NU. Nice to see for once. 

Bw
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Nov 10 15:28:13 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 10 15:28:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
In-Reply-To: <E25675683FBA4F459DE1E391C9A6B6A7@DennisMachine>
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There may be one out there (I am not aware of all of them), but could we name a 'Great University' , of the caliber of Northwestern, Chicago, the Ivies, Stanford, that offers a Physical Education or Sports Management degree ?  These are the types of degrees that a pedestrian institution offers to stay competitive in athletics.  Such degrees should never be offered by Northwestern.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al



[NU Sports] NU Attendance et alThe reality is that the team is progressing.  Our 
ecruiting classes have improved every year under Fitz without diluting our 
dvantage - we attract kids who appreciate the value of a Northwestern degree.  
e are also winning more consistently.
 I have stated several times here that Fitz IS improving the caliber of 
ecruits.  I have also said here that he will need ten years or so to keep the 
ipeline flowing.  Ergo, I don't disagree.  I do, however, believe Fitz will be 
imited by academic standards, inadequate funding, and facilities that cannot 
atch the winning programs.  Lacking that, he will be hard-pressed to bring in 
etter talent, we will never be a Big Ten powerhouse, which recently hasn't 
eant a national powerhouse.
  The sort of football program that you crave is being built underneath your 
ose.  More patience and trust will yield the result on the field that you 
esire.
  See above answer.  But do not consider it possible to build a consistent 
inner without the talent that has traditionally avoided NU.  It must improve 
eyond averaging three stars.  While that in itself is a big improvement 
eflected in not losing games 62 - 7 anymore, it is not enough in the long run.
  I can't say how long it will take for the fans in Chicago to wake up to what 
s going on in Evanston.  
  When they can count on the Cats being as good as Ohio State, Michigan, and 
enn State year after year.  I do not - indeed they HAVE not - followed their 
oller coaster gridiron ride beyond Cinderella's coach reverting to vegetable 
tatus.
  As far as being Cinderella.  I think that is the best part of being a 
orthwestern fan.  We will always be the underdog and I don't mind.
  All nice and exciting but the wrong attitude to building a successful football 
rogram.  The concept that consistent quality football equates to "football 
actory" stems at least partly from snobbery.  (And don't tell me it doesn't 
xist at Northwestern.  I lived with it for four years.)  Why not offer phys-ed 
nd sports management degrees at NU?  Does the school feel that jocks are 
nherently stupid and demean the university's good name?  Surely, the absence of 
hese programs is part of the reason we fail to get some of the better recruits.
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Nov 10 15:39:20 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 10 15:39:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] WSJ article
Message-ID: <c77.511a2e20.382b3788@aol.com>

About Iowa in today's late edition, gives us little credit for beating Iowa 
 because Stanzi got hurt, but there is one good quote
 
"Of course they have trouble recruiting," says former Iowa president Mary  
Sue Coleman, now the president at Michigan. "They're in the middle of Iowa." 
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 15:43:31 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Nov 10 15:44:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
In-Reply-To: <8CC305E3BF0896B-5184-3E7@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC2FCD1AE369F2-2A70-877@webmail-m023.sysops.aol.com> 
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> My memory is hazy on this, but aren't we speaking of something akin to the
> College Football Association, formed in the early 80's after Oklahoma and
> Georgia sued the NCAA for violating the Sherman Anti-trust act ?
>


The organization you're talking about was actually the NCAA's attempt at
regulating the college football television market, essentially allowing just
a handful of teams on TV every week and distributing money to all members
equally.  The courts ruled that this was an anti-trust violation (I think
this came down in 1986 or so) and instead allowed individual teams or groups
of teams (conferences) arrange their own TV deals independent of the NCAA.
This actually led to most major independents joining conferences, like Penn
State to the Big Ten, Florida State to the ACC, and the formation of the Big
East conference.  Notre Dame, of course, got its own deal and we all know
that is the primary reason that they remain independent.

Note that there was never an effort to separate from the rest of Division
I-A, but instead just some conference alignment changes to accommodate
better TV deals.  The formation of the BCS was on par with this - not
affecting NCAA/I-A membership but instead a move made within the NCAA
regulations to generate more revenue.

The problem is that they're now stuck and in order to generate an even
bigger payday by starting a playoff, they would have to break ranks with the
NCAA or pass substantial changes (not likely given the current makeup of
Division I).

Jonathan
From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 15:51:16 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Nov 10 15:51:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
In-Reply-To: <8CC3063D7CE2124-5184-11DF@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
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Didn't NU have a Physical Education department that closed in the 1970s? I thought I remember a list member explaining once that it was closed by a University president who didn't care for scholarship sports. 

Jim



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To: tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 3:28:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al


There may be one out there (I am not aware of all of them), but could we name a 'Great University' , of the caliber of Northwestern, Chicago, the Ivies, Stanford, that offers a Physical Education or Sports Management degree ?? These are the types of degrees that a pedestrian institution offers to stay competitive in athletics.? Such degrees should never be offered by Northwestern.

Chuck Herron? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al



[NU Sports] NU Attendance et alThe reality is that the team is progressing.? Our 
ecruiting classes have improved every year under Fitz without diluting our 
dvantage - we attract kids who appreciate the value of a Northwestern degree.? 
e are also winning more consistently.
I have stated several times here that Fitz IS improving the caliber of 
ecruits.? I have also said here that he will need ten years or so to keep the 
ipeline flowing.? Ergo, I don't disagree.? I do, however, believe Fitz will be 
imited by academic standards, inadequate funding, and facilities that cannot 
atch the winning programs.? Lacking that, he will be hard-pressed to bring in 
etter talent, we will never be a Big Ten powerhouse, which recently hasn't 
eant a national powerhouse.
? The sort of football program that you crave is being built underneath your 
ose.? More patience and trust will yield the result on the field that you 
esire.
? See above answer.? But do not consider it possible to build a consistent 
inner without the talent that has traditionally avoided NU.? It must improve 
eyond averaging three stars.? While that in itself is a big improvement 
eflected in not losing games 62 - 7 anymore, it is not enough in the long run.
? I can't say how long it will take for the fans in Chicago to wake up to what 
s going on in Evanston.? 
? When they can count on the Cats being as good as Ohio State, Michigan, and 
enn State year after year.? I do not - indeed they HAVE not - followed their 
oller coaster gridiron ride beyond Cinderella's coach reverting to vegetable 
tatus.
? As far as being Cinderella.? I think that is the best part of being a 
orthwestern fan.? We will always be the underdog and I don't mind.
? All nice and exciting but the wrong attitude to building a successful football 
rogram.? The concept that consistent quality football equates to "football 
actory" stems at least partly from snobbery.? (And don't tell me it doesn't 
xist at Northwestern.? I lived with it for four years.)? Why not offer phys-ed 
nd sports management degrees at NU?? Does the school feel that jocks are 
nherently stupid and demean the university's good name?? Surely, the absence of 
hese programs is part of the reason we fail to get some of the better recruits.
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 10 15:59:13 2009
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Tue Nov 10 15:59:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] WSJ article
In-Reply-To: <c77.511a2e20.382b3788@aol.com>
References: <c77.511a2e20.382b3788@aol.com>
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It almost seems that the Iowa folks are confusing Ricky Stanzi with Tim Tebow or Sam Bradford.? He's a decent quarterback and did have a 17-3 record as a starter, but I think that Iowa's success this year has been more due to their solid defense than to their Stanzi-led offense (with the possible exception of MSU).? I don't think that his injury derailed any Heisman candidacy.

Plus, he was knocked out of the game as the direct result of a good defensive play, but no one is crediting us (or Wootten) for that.

Poor Mary Sue Coleman has her own problems in Ann Arbor, I guess.




________________________________
From: "MHRJGScott@aol.com" <MHRJGScott@aol.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 3:39:20 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] WSJ article

About Iowa in today's late edition, gives us little credit for beating Iowa 
because Stanzi got hurt, but there is one good quote

"Of course they have trouble recruiting," says former Iowa president Mary? 
Sue Coleman, now the president at Michigan. "They're in the middle of Iowa." 
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Nov 10 16:02:21 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 10 16:02:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
In-Reply-To: <561592.28634.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <492774.13626.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com><2469C45561A84BF8A8B661ADE54E4593@DennisMachine><FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA02D31677@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp><E25675683FBA4F459DE1E391C9A6B6A7@DennisMachine><8CC3063D7CE2124-5184-11DF@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com><561592.28634.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Yes we did

I knew a cheerleader that majored in PE in the 70's.  Her brother still voluntarily runs footballs in and out of the games on the sidelines in evanston

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:51:16 
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al

Didn't NU have a Physical Education department that closed in the 1970s? I thought I remember a list member explaining once that it was closed by a University president who didn't care for scholarship sports. 

Jim



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From: "cherron604@aol.com" <cherron604@aol.com>
To: tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 3:28:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al


There may be one out there (I am not aware of all of them), but could we name a 'Great University' , of the caliber of Northwestern, Chicago, the Ivies, Stanford, that offers a Physical Education or Sports Management degree ?? These are the types of degrees that a pedestrian institution offers to stay competitive in athletics.? Such degrees should never be offered by Northwestern.

Chuck Herron? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, Nov 10, 2009 1:27 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al



[NU Sports] NU Attendance et alThe reality is that the team is progressing.? Our 
ecruiting classes have improved every year under Fitz without diluting our 
dvantage - we attract kids who appreciate the value of a Northwestern degree.? 
e are also winning more consistently.
I have stated several times here that Fitz IS improving the caliber of 
ecruits.? I have also said here that he will need ten years or so to keep the 
ipeline flowing.? Ergo, I don't disagree.? I do, however, believe Fitz will be 
imited by academic standards, inadequate funding, and facilities that cannot 
atch the winning programs.? Lacking that, he will be hard-pressed to bring in 
etter talent, we will never be a Big Ten powerhouse, which recently hasn't 
eant a national powerhouse.
? The sort of football program that you crave is being built underneath your 
ose.? More patience and trust will yield the result on the field that you 
esire.
? See above answer.? But do not consider it possible to build a consistent 
inner without the talent that has traditionally avoided NU.? It must improve 
eyond averaging three stars.? While that in itself is a big improvement 
eflected in not losing games 62 - 7 anymore, it is not enough in the long run.
? I can't say how long it will take for the fans in Chicago to wake up to what 
s going on in Evanston.? 
? When they can count on the Cats being as good as Ohio State, Michigan, and 
enn State year after year.? I do not - indeed they HAVE not - followed their 
oller coaster gridiron ride beyond Cinderella's coach reverting to vegetable 
tatus.
? As far as being Cinderella.? I think that is the best part of being a 
orthwestern fan.? We will always be the underdog and I don't mind.
? All nice and exciting but the wrong attitude to building a successful football 
rogram.? The concept that consistent quality football equates to "football 
actory" stems at least partly from snobbery.? (And don't tell me it doesn't 
xist at Northwestern.? I lived with it for four years.)? Why not offer phys-ed 
nd sports management degrees at NU?? Does the school feel that jocks are 
nherently stupid and demean the university's good name?? Surely, the absence of 
hese programs is part of the reason we fail to get some of the better recruits.
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 10 16:12:12 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 10 16:12:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al 
Message-ID: <200911102212.nAAMCCgd017342@romaine.tssi.com>

> Didn't NU have a Physical Education department that closed in the 1970s? I thought I remember a list member explaining once that it was closed by a University president who didn't care for scholarship sports. 

I thought they closed the whole School of Education in the late 60's, along with the
undergraduate School of Business.  Some years after that they moved the graduate 
School of Management to the Evanston campus.  
--
Mike Nolan

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 10 16:13:20 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 10 16:13:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanzi update
Message-ID: <200911102213.nAAMDKf2017385@romaine.tssi.com>

According to sources in Iowa, Ricki Stanzi will have surgery on his ankle soon.  They're
hoping he'll be back for Iowa's bowl game.  
--
Mike Nolan

From AJWDBW at aol.com  Tue Nov 10 16:29:33 2009
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 10 16:29:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
Message-ID: <bc4.56d509bd.382b434d@aol.com>

Do you know of other fraternities who have game watching parties in  
Chicago. I was a Delt and am curious since the fraternity is no longer  on campus.
Don Williams
 
 
In a message dated 11/10/2009 11:55:16 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
rstetson@capps-assoc.com writes:

My  fraternity, Chi Phi, is holding a game watching party in Chicago 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 10 17:05:54 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 10 17:05:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
In-Reply-To: <bc4.56d509bd.382b434d@aol.com>
References: <bc4.56d509bd.382b434d@aol.com>
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This is something run by the national Chi Phi fraternity trying to help the old Illinois
chapter.

 

Nobody from NU was on the RSVP list as of yesterday.

 

rsl

 

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Computer Applications & Support Associates

-------------------- Also ----------------------

Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball

Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]

Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

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Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)

==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

So...

     How's that "hope" and "Change"

     Working for ya?

 

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From: AJWDBW@aol.com [mailto:AJWDBW@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:30 PM
To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com; tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al

 

Do you know of other fraternities who have game watching parties in Chicago. I was a Delt and am
curious since the fraternity is no longer on campus.

Don Williams

 

In a message dated 11/10/2009 11:55:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, rstetson@capps-assoc.com
writes:

My fraternity, Chi Phi, is holding a game watching party in Chicago 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 10 17:08:45 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 10 17:08:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
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I know we've added some Sports Management majors to go with our Communications Studies major.

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
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Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
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There may be one out there (I am not aware of all of them), but could we name a 'Great
University' , of the caliber of Northwestern, Chicago, the Ivies, Stanford, that offers a
Physical Education or Sports Management degree ?  These are the types of degrees that a
pedestrian institution offers to stay competitive in athletics.  Such degrees should never be
offered by Northwestern.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85


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[NU Sports] NU Attendance et alThe reality is that the team is progressing.  Our 
ecruiting classes have improved every year under Fitz without diluting our 
dvantage - we attract kids who appreciate the value of a Northwestern degree.  
e are also winning more consistently.
 I have stated several times here that Fitz IS improving the caliber of 
ecruits.  I have also said here that he will need ten years or so to keep the 
ipeline flowing.  Ergo, I don't disagree.  I do, however, believe Fitz will be 
imited by academic standards, inadequate funding, and facilities that cannot 
atch the winning programs.  Lacking that, he will be hard-pressed to bring in 
etter talent, we will never be a Big Ten powerhouse, which recently hasn't 
eant a national powerhouse.
  The sort of football program that you crave is being built underneath your 
ose.  More patience and trust will yield the result on the field that you 
esire.
  See above answer.  But do not consider it possible to build a consistent 
inner without the talent that has traditionally avoided NU.  It must improve 
eyond averaging three stars.  While that in itself is a big improvement 
eflected in not losing games 62 - 7 anymore, it is not enough in the long run.
  I can't say how long it will take for the fans in Chicago to wake up to what 
s going on in Evanston.  
  When they can count on the Cats being as good as Ohio State, Michigan, and 
enn State year after year.  I do not - indeed they HAVE not - followed their 
oller coaster gridiron ride beyond Cinderella's coach reverting to vegetable 
tatus.
  As far as being Cinderella.  I think that is the best part of being a 
orthwestern fan.  We will always be the underdog and I don't mind.
  All nice and exciting but the wrong attitude to building a successful football 
rogram.  The concept that consistent quality football equates to "football 
actory" stems at least partly from snobbery.  (And don't tell me it doesn't 
xist at Northwestern.  I lived with it for four years.)  Why not offer phys-ed 
nd sports management degrees at NU?  Does the school feel that jocks are 
nherently stupid and demean the university's good name?  Surely, the absence of 
hese programs is part of the reason we fail to get some of the better recruits.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Nov 10 18:33:52 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Nov 10 18:34:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
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<These are the types of degrees that a pedestrian institution offers to stay competitive in athletics.  Such degrees should never be offered by Northwestern.

Now THAT is snobbery.
From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Nov 10 18:51:30 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Nov 10 18:51:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
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The reality is that there is snobbery at virtually any human institution with more than a handful of people.
 
Sorry you had a bad experience with it at NU, but if you had gone to Univ. of Chicago instead, or Michigan, or Stanford, or Vandy, or U of I Chicago Circle, you would have encountered the same sort of insecure people who had to enhance their own egos at the expense of others.
 
The other reality is that institutions like NU have a specific mission.  It is to provide a world class education to the academically gifted.  That is not snobbery.  Those to whom much is given, much should be expected.
 
As a result, NU has to evaluate their academic investments against that mission.  Some things fit.  Some things are a better fit for other schools with a different mission.  Doesn't make NU better or worse or snobby.  Just focused to serve their chosen audience.
 
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<These are the types of degrees that a pedestrian institution offers to stay competitive in athletics.  Such degrees should never be offered by Northwestern.

Now THAT is snobbery.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Nov 10 19:00:44 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Nov 10 19:01:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
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<The reality is that there is snobbery at virtually any human institution 
with more than a handful of people.

Classic obfuscation.  Others are doing so it's fine if we do, i.e., two 
wrongs make a right.  I have attended several other universities and never 
found the degree of snobbery I did at Northwestern.  No doubt Harvard would 
be just as bad if not worse, but that doesn't excuse it.


From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Nov 10 19:15:57 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 10 19:16:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
Message-ID: <caf.53e00416.382b6a4d@aol.com>

Yikes, you all should try going to University in the UK, Scotland is owned  
by 380 people, really, the whole country, and Oxford requires a 
recommendation  from a member of the house of lords for admission, we can only play at 
snobbery  compared to those experts. I found Northwestern very diverse and 
not at all  exclusionary, we have no skull and bones, no hasty pudding, just 
a painted  rock.
From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Nov 10 19:52:13 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Nov 10 19:52:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
References: <caf.53e00416.382b6a4d@aol.com>
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> Yikes, you all should try going to University in the UK, Scotland is owned
> by 380 people, really, the whole country, and Oxford requires a
> recommendation  from a member of the house of lords for admission, we can 
> only play at
> snobbery  compared to those experts. I found Northwestern very diverse and
> not at all  exclusionary, we have no skull and bones, no hasty pudding, 
> just
> a painted  rock.

Nope, just plain old, look-down-on-you informal snobbery.  I got money; you 
don't; so I'm better than you.  Some reflect that attitude here. 

From AJWDBW at aol.com  Tue Nov 10 20:46:55 2009
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 10 20:47:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
Message-ID: <bf4.5d1771b0.382b7f9f@aol.com>

When I arrived on campus in 1951, as a marine fresh from the killing fields 
 of Korea, there was still a sizeable contingent of WWll veterans and the  
students treated us all with respect. It was, in fact, the more wealthy 
students  who displayed the most kindness and offerings of inclusiveness. It was 
on the  Northwestern campus where I learned to laugh again and enjoy life. 
It is a debt  to the University I will never be able to repay.
Don Williams
C55
 
 
In a message dated 11/10/2009 7:52:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
tbng@comcast.net writes:

Nope,  just plain old, look-down-on-you informal snobbery.  I got money; 
you  
don't; so I'm better than you.  Some reflect that attitude here.  


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Nov 10 21:04:54 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Nov 10 21:04:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
In-Reply-To: <bf4.5d1771b0.382b7f9f@aol.com>
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I enjoyed my time at NU, even met my wife there...

I turned up on campus as a transfer student who had spent 4 years in the Navy prior to my 2
years at the JC. I kept my vet status quiet, and also snuck in and out of the Chi Phi house
during Navy Reserve Drill weekends so I wouldn't create any trouble. I guess everyone in the
house knew I was drilling, but since our cook was a retired Navy Steward, we were pretty cool
with Navy guys.

However, I did not parade my service around the school, particularly since I worked electronic
intelligence and actually knew more about what was going on in Viet Nam than the so called
experts on campus. And that can also be considered "snobbery"

rsl

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When I arrived on campus in 1951, as a marine fresh from the killing fields 
 of Korea, there was still a sizeable contingent of WWll veterans and the  
students treated us all with respect. It was, in fact, the more wealthy 
students  who displayed the most kindness and offerings of inclusiveness. It was 
on the  Northwestern campus where I learned to laugh again and enjoy life. 
It is a debt  to the University I will never be able to repay.
Don Williams
C55
 
 
In a message dated 11/10/2009 7:52:59 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
tbng@comcast.net writes:

Nope,  just plain old, look-down-on-you informal snobbery.  I got money; 
you  
don't; so I'm better than you.  Some reflect that attitude here.  


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 21:13:11 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Nov 10 21:13:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Attendance, economy,
	blah blah blah (was: NU Attendance et al)
In-Reply-To: <2469C45561A84BF8A8B661ADE54E4593@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <132958.79366.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Can't deny there have been thrilling finishes over the
> years.? Can't deny a small fan base is part of the
> attendance problem.? But the economy?? Seen the
> stands at Ohio State and Penn State lately?? Seems to
> me that NU grads are among the least affected by an economic
> downturn.

I would argue that NU fans are MORE affected by the economy than the larger state schools. As we've discussed, most NU fans do not live in Chicagoland - so between airfares, rental cars, hotels, etc. it would stand to reason than an economic downturn would hurt us more than a school where tens of thousands of alumni live within a 2-3 hour drive (i.e. every other Big Ten school).

As for other schools, it's hard to find figures, but I've seen many a game on the Big Ten Network this year -- including several at PSU, Michigan or even Columbus -- with a lot more empty seats than you're used to seeing.

> The biggest problem is the Cats' year-to-year inconsistency
> on the field.? As we discussed earlier this season,
> some (me) predicted a 10 - 2 finish, others said 3 - 9, and

Well, I don't know too many people who predicted a 10-win season for a team that lost its entire offensive backfield and receiving corps. Most preseason picks had the Cats at about 6-7 wins and making a mid-level bowl, which was about right.

> most offered predictions somewhere in between.? Think
> Ohio State and Florida fans made such a wide range of
> prognostications?? If Michigan fans were jolted by

Again, it's just pointless to compare NU to OSU or Florida. And frankly, I'm thrilled with that.

> powerhouse status eventually?? We had the amazing glory
> days of '95 and '96, a so-so '97, and the inglorious '98 and

Some good reasons for the downturns -- Barnett's flirtations and departure and Walker's tragic death. Fitz has gotten his team to six or more wins the last three years. Let's hope he's on our sidelines for a long time.

> Fans will come IF there is almost ALWAYS a chance of winning
> the Big Ten crown, which by definition means having a

Maybe, but it was pretty easy to get tickets in 1996 and 2001 with teams who brought a lot of players back off of Big Ten title seasons.

Winning hasn't brought 'em in. Fantastic finishes haven't brought 'em in. Fast-paced offense didn't bring 'em in. Heck, free beer didn't even bring 'em in.

I certainly don't mean to suggest that we shouldn't stop trying -- and there have been several good suggestions on the list. I'm just saying I'm ready to say "chuck it" to the Chicago Domer bandwagoners and fickle North Shore fans and to the whole topic. Let the real NU fans come and focus on treating THEM better instead of bending over backwards for these other people who haven't jumped aboard the ship yet, as Fitz said. If they want to come aboard later, I'm sure we'll find a life raft to float 'em over.:)

GO CATS!!!
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From cyrilku at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 21:19:28 2009
From: cyrilku at yahoo.com (Cyril S. Ku)
Date: Tue Nov 10 21:19:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's respect for Northwestern
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I live under a rock.

Any explanation of why we played Iowa at Iowa City two years in a row? With our success there, I am not complaining. But it seems strange that we played at their place for two consecutive years.

OK, back to my rock.

Cyril Ku

--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's respect for Northwestern
> To: "Northwestern Wildcats" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Cc: ESPN4D@aol.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 3:00 PM
> Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
> 
> I just clicked on Pat Forde's ESPN column. He congratulates
> the Wildcats for beating Iowa. HOWEVER, it looks like they
> used a file photo from 2008 that shows Eric Peterman (10)
> and CJ Bacher (18) celebrating last year's win in Iowa City.
> Since both expired eligibility in 2008, either Mr. Forde or
> Coach Fitzgerald have some explaining to do. 
> 
> Perhaps this is an intentional rub against the Hawkeyes
> (pointing out that we've beaten them in the corn two years
> in a row), but it smells of laziness. Either way, I have
> copied Mr. Forde on this email. 
> 
> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&page=dash0911&sportCat=ncf
> 
> Victory & Honor,
> Jim
> 
> 
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 22:05:49 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Tue Nov 10 22:05:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Sun-Times lead Sunday
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Also made the the top of the front page which was really really nice to see.


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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:52 PM, <bwdolphin146@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Was NU. Nice to see for once.
>
> Bw
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 22:09:52 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Nov 10 22:10:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Sun-Times lead Sunday
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Funny how that happens when you beat top-5 teams, isn't it?

Let's try to do it more often, eh?

The Sun-Times usually gives us pretty good play when NU beats Illinois -- so this Sunday's paper should look good as well!!!

Brad Wilson
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Also made the the top of the front page which was really really nice to see.


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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:52 PM, <bwdolphin146@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Was NU. Nice to see for once.
>
> Bw
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Tue Nov 10 22:20:50 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Tue Nov 10 22:21:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] could the BCS form its own division?
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The issue is not simply one of money although it would seem to be so on the
surface.  Football is actually the only sport that is mostly outside the
NCAA's control at least on the Division I-A level.  Eligibility and
recruiting restrictions and the like are controlled by the NCAA but the BCS,
the bowls and TV are controlled by the conferences, the bowls and the
schools; the NCAA has nothing to do with them.

So, breaking away would not be a problem if football were the only
consideration, but it's not.  Every BCS member school runs a complete
athletic department fielding upwards of 20 men's and women's teams.  In most
cases, those all compete in the same conference, but not in all, as we know
out national champion lacrosse team competes in a lacrosse only league not
the Big Ten.  Without the NCAA, the BCS schools would have to organize and
govern all of these sports, including the ones in which its members are only
a portion of the total competing schools, like hockey and water polo.  If
the BCS schools breakaway, the remaining schools would likely not play the
BCS schools, nor agree to share governance of sports with them.

In addition, there is one other major factor - the CBS basketball contract,
which is roughly $6 billion over the next seven years.  While much of that
may be attributable to BCS schools, there is no denying that the Cinderella
factor has helped to make the tournament a national success.  I suspect that
CBS would not be too terribly thrilled at the prospect of March Madness with
only BCS member schools.

It's not an idle thought as it has bounced around BCS schools for a number
of years.  Each time it gets raised, however, all of the above
practicalities as well as many more too numerous to go into here , get put
on the table, and the thought goes away only to come out again the next time
the NCAA comes up with some totally stupid idea; usually about every 6
months.

Mark

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On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Jonathan Hodges
<jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>wrote:

> > My memory is hazy on this, but aren't we speaking of something akin to
> the
> > College Football Association, formed in the early 80's after Oklahoma and
> > Georgia sued the NCAA for violating the Sherman Anti-trust act ?
> >
>
>
> The organization you're talking about was actually the NCAA's attempt at
> regulating the college football television market, essentially allowing
> just
> a handful of teams on TV every week and distributing money to all members
> equally.  The courts ruled that this was an anti-trust violation (I think
> this came down in 1986 or so) and instead allowed individual teams or
> groups
> of teams (conferences) arrange their own TV deals independent of the NCAA.
> This actually led to most major independents joining conferences, like Penn
> State to the Big Ten, Florida State to the ACC, and the formation of the
> Big
> East conference.  Notre Dame, of course, got its own deal and we all know
> that is the primary reason that they remain independent.
>
> Note that there was never an effort to separate from the rest of Division
> I-A, but instead just some conference alignment changes to accommodate
> better TV deals.  The formation of the BCS was on par with this - not
> affecting NCAA/I-A membership but instead a move made within the NCAA
> regulations to generate more revenue.
>
> The problem is that they're now stuck and in order to generate an even
> bigger payday by starting a playoff, they would have to break ranks with
> the
> NCAA or pass substantial changes (not likely given the current makeup of
> Division I).
>
> Jonathan
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From artmiller_news at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 10 23:00:16 2009
From: artmiller_news at yahoo.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Tue Nov 10 23:00:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
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Not sure how this 'snobbery' discussion got started, but when it comes to the academic side of college athletics, IMO our world needs *more* snobbery.  That is, we need more institutions to enforce and exalt the academic aspect of college sports, not water it down.  We need more programs to demonstrate moral courage and not offer "scholarships" to talented athletes who clearly aren't interested or prepared for a serious university-level course of study.

If that means some current "student-athletes" (and I'm referring to those who skate through their college experience by pursuing worthless degrees with little academic rigor) no longer have a means of participating in Division I athletics, that's fine with me.  Last I checked, nobody was guaranteed the right to play college sports just for being a fine athlete.




--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 7:52 PM
> > Yikes, you all should try going
> to University in the UK, Scotland is owned
> > by 380 people, really, the whole country, and Oxford
> requires a
> > recommendation? from a member of the house of
> lords for admission, we can only play at
> > snobbery? compared to those experts. I found
> Northwestern very diverse and
> > not at all? exclusionary, we have no skull and
> bones, no hasty pudding, just
> > a painted? rock.
> 
> Nope, just plain old, look-down-on-you informal
> snobbery.? I got money; you don't; so I'm better than
> you.? Some reflect that attitude here. 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 10 23:05:09 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 10 23:05:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's respect for Northwestern 
Message-ID: <200911110505.nAB5595E019354@romaine.tssi.com>

> Any explanation of why we played Iowa at Iowa City two years in a row? With our success there, I am not complaining. But it seems strange that we played at their place for two consecutive years.

When the conference comes out with new schedules every few years, it tends to shuffle
which teams schools play at home and which teams they play on the road, so that schools 
don't always have the same set of opponents on the road or at home, eg, Iowa at home and 
Illinois on the road, or vice versa.  Otherwise we would either never have both 
Illinois and Iowa at home in the same season or always have them at home in the same
season.

That means that sometimes we play a team at home two years in a row and sometimes we
play a team on the road two years in a row.
--
Mike Nolan

From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Wed Nov 11 06:25:20 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Wed Nov 11 06:27:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Attendance, economy, blah blah blah (was: NU Attendanc
	e et al)
Message-ID: <20091111.062520.21979.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

Interesting thought.  The way to test this is measure ticket sales vs. tickets torn.

If most of the cost is getting to the game then people affected by the economy would keep their season tickets, but just attend less games.

Unfortunately we distort this statistic a little bit as we have a 3rd ticket, but don't often use it.  The necessity of the extra ticket for visiting family combined with the desire to have a full seat makes the extra cost worthwhile.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>

I would argue that NU fans are MORE affected by the economy than the larger state schools. As we've discussed, most NU fans do not live in Chicagoland - so between airfares, rental cars, hotels, etc. it would stand to reason than an economic downturn would hurt us more than a school where tens of thousands of alumni live within a 2-3 hour drive (i.e. every other Big Ten school).


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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 07:50:25 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Nov 11 07:50:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's respect for Northwestern
In-Reply-To: <234122.93345.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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	<234122.93345.qm@web53304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> Any explanation of why we played Iowa at Iowa City two years in a row? With
> our success there, I am not complaining. But it seems strange that we played
> at their place for two consecutive years.
>

The Big Ten schedule is on a 2-year rotation, and this year (2009) was the
beginning of a new rotation (NU doesn't play OSU or Michigan during the
current cycle).

When a new cycle begins, sometimes the scheduling is off a bit and a team
ends up being at home or away against a certain opponent for two consecutive
years.  Another example: Wisconsin played at Indiana both last year and this
year.

Note that Iowa and Michigan State are the teams off of NU's schedule for the
2011-2012, so NU won't play in Iowa City again until at least 2013.

Jonathan
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 11 09:26:07 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed Nov 11 09:26:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Snobbery
In-Reply-To: <223fce250911102020p4bcde10dr62f22988daaac2e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14243.88070.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For what it's worth, one of my favorite teachers at NU literally wrote the book on snobbery:

http://www.amazon.com/Snobbery-American-Version-Joseph-Epstein/dp/0395944171/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257952944&sr=8-1

It's not my favorite of Epstein's books by any means (check out "A Line Out for a Walk" for an excellent collection of his personal essays), but it's a good read. 

Tom

From e-west at northwestern.edu  Wed Nov 11 09:26:09 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Wed Nov 11 09:26:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al
In-Reply-To: <36711.72387.qm@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <36711.72387.qm@web113810.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AFAD791.2000501@northwestern.edu>

Arthur Miller wrote:
> Not sure how this 'snobbery' discussion got started, but when it comes to the academic side of college athletics, IMO our world needs *more* snobbery.  That is, we need more institutions to enforce and exalt the academic aspect of college sports, not water it down.  We need more programs to demonstrate moral courage and not offer "scholarships" to talented athletes who clearly aren't interested or prepared for a serious university-level course of study.
>
> If that means some current "student-athletes" (and I'm referring to those who skate through their college experience by pursuing worthless degrees with little academic rigor) no longer have a means of participating in Division I athletics, that's fine with me.  Last I checked, nobody was guaranteed the right to play college sports just for being a fine athlete.
>   
Before I begin, I must mention that I agree with Dennis's main point: in 
the long run, sustained football success will be the best way to 
increase attendance. I suppose I only disagree on how best to attain 
that success.

That said, I am in total agreement with Arthur's point above. Academic 
standards are NOT equal to "snobbery," even if some folks in the past 
have used one as an excuse for the other. That has been the true 
obfuscation here.

Frankly, on those rare occasions when I've noticed actual current 
students talking about NU's academics at all, they usually bemoan how 
we're substandard compared to the Ivies or something like that. 
Complaints and inferiority complexes have been the favorite pastimes for 
at least twenty years here, not "snobbery."

And to tie it in with attendance, I'll add "indifference to sports" as 
another pastime. For better or worse, students don't choose NU for the 
football team. Even during the Rose/Citrus Bowl years, the success was 
just treated as a perq, not a reason for being. Not sure how that could 
change, barring some extra question on the undergraduate application 
gauging interest in spectator sports, which I would be against. Oops, 
there I go being a "snob" again.

Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Nov 11 10:44:26 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Nov 11 10:44:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Pat Forde's respect for Northwestern
Message-ID: <200911111644.nABGiQJH022963@romaine.tssi.com>

> Note that Iowa and Michigan State are the teams off of NU's schedule for the
> 2011-2012, so NU won't play in Iowa City again until at least 2013.

Oh darn, no cupcake!  :-)
--
Mike Nolan

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Nov 11 10:53:31 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Nov 11 10:53:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al (fwd)
Message-ID: <200911111653.nABGrVbN023010@romaine.tssi.com>

> And to tie it in with attendance, I'll add "indifference to sports" as 
> another pastime. For better or worse, students don't choose NU for the 
> football team. Even during the Rose/Citrus Bowl years, the success was 
> just treated as a perq, not a reason for being. Not sure how that could 
> change, barring some extra question on the undergraduate application 
> gauging interest in spectator sports, which I would be against. Oops, 
> there I go being a "snob" again.

I suspect that the percentage of the undergraduate student body in attendance at 
Northwestern games may be higher than at Nebraska.  

But part of the problem is that something like 90% of Nebraska grads are likely to 
be living within driving distance of Lincoln, but maybe 20% of Northwestern grads
are living within driving distance of Evanston.  

I think it's fantastic that we have a number of people on this list who travel great
distances to NU games each year, but driving 10 hours EACH WAY got to be too much of a 
hassle for us, especially if we can't leave until after work on Friday and there's an 
11AM kickoff on Saturday.  (Flying is not much better time-wise due to airline schedules 
and much more expensive.)  
--
Mike Nolan

From ivars at radioskonto.lv  Wed Nov 11 11:42:08 2009
From: ivars at radioskonto.lv (Ivars Embrekts)
Date: Wed Nov 11 11:42:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU on MNF
In-Reply-To: <122643.74196.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <122643.74196.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AFAF770.7060108@radioskonto.lv>

Where are the pictures?

SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
>> promo for ABC/ESPN college football coverage showed a clip
>> of Dunsmore's catch followed by a shot of Iowa fans with
>> their heads in their hands in despair. 
>>     
>
> If you're like me and just can't get enough, click on ...
>
> http://www.desmoinesregister.com/hawkeyes
>
> They have photo galleries of the game with about 20 shots of stunned bumblebee fans in disbelief that their team just lost to "jNWU" yet again.
>
> They also have an article still talking B(C)S ... as if they won't plummet after a whuppin' in Columbus this weekend.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
>       
>
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 11 12:04:03 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed Nov 11 12:04:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Money and the BCS
Message-ID: <964549.42003.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't hate the BCS like some people do, but I don't understand the why the current BCS hasn't developed a simple playoff system. We're always talking about how in college football 'it's all about the money', so why does the BCS leave so much on the table? 

The formula may not always get it right, but BCS ranking is fundamentally an attempt to identify the top teams when they may not meet on the field. The choices for #1 and #2 may be suspect some years, but it does a?DECENT job?of capturing the top eight teams. Any team that runs the table or has only 1-loss in a major conference?should land in the top eight. (Please don't research the one exception, it doesn't change my argument) So it's safe to say that the BCS top eight includes your best teams. 

I know it has been outlined before, but I just don't understand why it can't happen. Let the BCS top eight go to the four major bowls (Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange), let the four winners meet the following week and let the two finalists play the week after that. Why would this be so hard to implement?

I've heard a few arguments:
-----------------------------------------
1) The extension conflicts with classes in the new semester. === Not Really. The BCS already allows two schools to play one week after January 1st and most schools don't start back until the 3rd week of January. I will gladly let NU players miss classes when we finally get there. 

2) It will undermine the smaller bowls. ==== Not Really. The Motor City Bowl is as irrelevant as it gets and it somehow survives in the current landscape. I could argue that there are too many small bowls, but I can't see how interest in small bowls would be affected. 

What am I missing?

Go Cats!
Jim


      

From herms at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 11 12:16:00 2009
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Wed Nov 11 12:16:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Money and the BCS
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References: <964549.42003.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Well, I think the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta and Orange bowls have something to say about being undermined.  A playoff would make those bowls merely a 1st round matchup, not the marquee attraction that they currently are.  This is debatable, of course.  I would argue that many of the matchups in these BCS bowls are hardly marquee (Georgia vs. Hawaii in the Sugar Bowl a few years back comes to mind, as does the many bland ACC vs. BigEast matchups in the Orange Bowl).  But I suspect that the BCS bowls like being "the big deal" that closes the football season.  Having a semifinal and then final matchup afterwards would somewhat diminish their place in the grand college football universe, possibly leading to smaller crowds and lower television ratings.

I could do without the BCS personally.  I liked having the BigTen and Pac10 champions meet annually in the Rose Bowl.  I also have no problem with "split" national champions decided by polls.  But people apparently want an "undisputed" national champion decided on the field, and as imperfect as the BCS is, it performs this function.  My solution would be to go back to the traditional bowl affiliations:
BigTen champ vs. Pac10 champ in the Rose Bowl
SEC champ vs. at-large in the Sugar Bowl
ACC champ vs. BigEast champ in the Orange Bowl
Big12 champ vs. at-large in the Fiesta Bowl
If you need to add a fifth bowl game to appease the mid-major conferences, then throw in the Cotton Bowl.

Then after those games are done, re-rank the teams.  Use human polls, computers, whatever obscure formula you want.  Then take the Nos. 1 and 2 teams and match them up in a championship game the following week.

Go 'Cats!
Herman



> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:04:03 -0800
> From: jleonard518@yahoo.com
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Money and the BCS
> 
> I don't hate the BCS like some people do, but I don't understand the why the current BCS hasn't developed a simple playoff system. We're always talking about how in college football 'it's all about the money', so why does the BCS leave so much on the table? 
> 
> The formula may not always get it right, but BCS ranking is fundamentally an attempt to identify the top teams when they may not meet on the field. The choices for #1 and #2 may be suspect some years, but it does a DECENT job of capturing the top eight teams. Any team that runs the table or has only 1-loss in a major conference should land in the top eight. (Please don't research the one exception, it doesn't change my argument) So it's safe to say that the BCS top eight includes your best teams. 
> 
> I know it has been outlined before, but I just don't understand why it can't happen. Let the BCS top eight go to the four major bowls (Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange), let the four winners meet the following week and let the two finalists play the week after that. Why would this be so hard to implement?
> 
> I've heard a few arguments:
> -----------------------------------------
> 1) The extension conflicts with classes in the new semester. === Not Really. The BCS already allows two schools to play one week after January 1st and most schools don't start back until the 3rd week of January. I will gladly let NU players miss classes when we finally get there. 
> 
> 2) It will undermine the smaller bowls. ==== Not Really. The Motor City Bowl is as irrelevant as it gets and it somehow survives in the current landscape. I could argue that there are too many small bowls, but I can't see how interest in small bowls would be affected. 
> 
> What am I missing?
> 
> Go Cats!
> Jim
> 
> 
>       
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Wed Nov 11 12:26:56 2009
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Wed Nov 11 12:27:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Money and the BCS
In-Reply-To: <964549.42003.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <964549.42003.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Jim Leonard wrote:
> I don't hate the BCS like some people do, but I don't understand the why the current BCS hasn't developed a simple playoff system. We're always talking about how in college football 'it's all about the money', so why does the BCS leave so much on the table? 
>
> The formula may not always get it right, but BCS ranking is fundamentally an attempt to identify the top teams when they may not meet on the field. The choices for #1 and #2 may be suspect some years, but it does a DECENT job of capturing the top eight teams. Any team that runs the table or has only 1-loss in a major conference should land in the top eight. (Please don't research the one exception, it doesn't change my argument) So it's safe to say that the BCS top eight includes your best teams. 
>
> I know it has been outlined before, but I just don't understand why it can't happen. Let the BCS top eight go to the four major bowls (Rose, Sugar, Fiesta, and Orange), let the four winners meet the following week and let the two finalists play the week after that. Why would this be so hard to implement?
>
> I've heard a few arguments:
> -----------------------------------------
> 1) The extension conflicts with classes in the new semester. === Not Really. The BCS already allows two schools to play one week after January 1st and most schools don't start back until the 3rd week of January. I will gladly let NU players miss classes when we finally get there. 
>
> 2) It will undermine the smaller bowls. ==== Not Really. The Motor City Bowl is as irrelevant as it gets and it somehow survives in the current landscape. I could argue that there are too many small bowls, but I can't see how interest in small bowls would be affected. 
>
> What am I missing?
>
> Go Cats!
> Jim
>
>
>
>   
It would undermine all of the bowls except for the final one.  Only 
people who lived within driving distance would be attending the other 
bowls.  The airlines charge exorbitant fares if you book at the at the 
last minute.  Also, most flights are full due to reductions in flights 
so you might not be able to get a flight even at a high fare.  As it is 
now fans have enough advance warning that can book a flight at a 
reasonable price.

From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Nov 11 12:30:01 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 11 12:30:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al (fwd)
Message-ID: <954064768-1257964203-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1897050512-@bda949.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

One reason I chose NU over an Ivy league school was for its interscholastic sports in a major conference.  Turned out to be a frustrating  mistake at the time  as I attended in the late 70's

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
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To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Attendance et al (fwd)
Sent: Nov 11, 2009 8:53 AM

> And to tie it in with attendance, I'll add "indifference to sports" as 
> another pastime. For better or worse, students don't choose NU for the 
> football team. Even during the Rose/Citrus Bowl years, the success was 
> just treated as a perq, not a reason for being. Not sure how that could 
> change, barring some extra question on the undergraduate application 
> gauging interest in spectator sports, which I would be against. Oops, 
> there I go being a "snob" again.

I suspect that the percentage of the undergraduate student body in attendance at 
Northwestern games may be higher than at Nebraska.  

But part of the problem is that something like 90% of Nebraska grads are likely to 
be living within driving distance of Lincoln, but maybe 20% of Northwestern grads
are living within driving distance of Evanston.  

I think it's fantastic that we have a number of people on this list who travel great
distances to NU games each year, but driving 10 hours EACH WAY got to be too much of a 
hassle for us, especially if we can't leave until after work on Friday and there's an 
11AM kickoff on Saturday.  (Flying is not much better time-wise due to airline schedules 
and much more expensive.)  
--
Mike Nolan

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 12:58:04 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Nov 11 12:59:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Money and the BCS
In-Reply-To: <964549.42003.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <964549.42003.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> What am I missing?
>

I've mentioned this before, but I know it may have been buried in one of my
numerous emails to the listserv (sorry if I've been inundating you as of
late).

The reason that there is no playoff of any kind in FBS/I-A football is, in
general, money.  More specifically, though, it's that the BCS conference
don't want to share that money with the rest of Division I.

To implement any sort of playoff, including a Plus One, would require a vote
of all of NCAA Division I to modify the current system (which currently
accommodates just one bowl game for each team, the BCS lives outside of the
NCAA and just slots teams into certain bowls).

There is no way that the "mid majors" or even the non-football schools in
Division I would vote to allow such a playoff system without being thrown a
bone of some sort (i.e. revenue sharing).  The Division I basketball tourney
has an elaborate revenue sharing system in place that is used to distribute
money throughout all schools/conferences that participate (and also provide
the majority of the funding it takes for the NCAA to operate).

The BCS conferences are better off by keeping the current system, which may
produce less overall revenue, but allows them to keep more of it for
themselves.  A playoff may very well generate more revenue, but the rest of
the division would force that money to be put into more hands, thereby
diluting the share for the rich (BCS conferences).


Another point, associated with the first, is power.  The power in FBS/I-A
football is in the hands of the BCS conferences and their commissioners.
They would be foolish to let go of that power, yielding it to some national
and more impartial leader.  Yes, the big schools would still have a
significant say, but not as much as they do now where they basically run the
show.


That's why it will take a seismic shift in something (government
intervention - unlikely and probably outside of their jurisdiction, small
school revolt - but they're getting some money thrown their way now, or fan
revolt - not happening, not with people flocking to the seats/TVs in record
numbers) to get a playoff in FBS/I-A football.


Hope that helps.

Jonathan
From clzahn at mindspring.com  Wed Nov 11 13:06:46 2009
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Wed Nov 11 13:07:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Money and the BCS
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270911111058r3012bab0l50934a2cd0e8be7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <964549.42003.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<fcb3ee270911111058r3012bab0l50934a2cd0e8be7@mail.gmail.com>
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Jonathan Hodges wrote:
>> What am I missing?
>>
>>     
>
> I've mentioned this before, but I know it may have been buried in one of my
> numerous emails to the listserv (sorry if I've been inundating you as of
> late).
>
> The reason that there is no playoff of any kind in FBS/I-A football is, in
> general, money.  More specifically, though, it's that the BCS conference
> don't want to share that money with the rest of Division I.
>
>   

That might be one reason, but it's not the primary one.  Many people 
simply don't want playoffs.  I know I don't.

Clark Zahn

From e-west at northwestern.edu  Wed Nov 11 13:15:44 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Wed Nov 11 13:16:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Money and the BCS
In-Reply-To: <964549.42003.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <964549.42003.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AFB0D60.8000705@northwestern.edu>

Jim Leonard wrote:
> I don't hate the BCS like some people do, but I don't understand the why the current BCS hasn't developed a simple playoff system. We're always talking about how in college football 'it's all about the money', so why does the BCS leave so much on the table?
>   
 From the bowl organizers' side, there are two concerns, both of which 
are tied to revenue:

1. They want to maintain some degree of control over who plays in their 
game. The way they see it, there wasn't much wrong with the system 
pre-BCS, and they've conceded enough just to make #1 vs. #2 possible. 
Basing their matchup completely on arbitrary rankings (or on who 
happened to win in a previous round) would be a nightmare for their 
promotion folks.

2. They don't want their bowl to be merely a semi-final (or 
quarter-final) game, which would diminish the prestige and possibly 
change the date from the optimal New Year's slot. Even in years when 
they are not hosting the title game, these bowls are still viewed as 
destination events in and of themselves (current sportstalk blowhards 
notwithstanding), much as they were pre-BCS when they didn't have a #1 
or #2 team playing in them.

Of course, there's also fear that any move toward a playoff mentality 
would eventually lead to the obliteration of bowls entirely. True or 
not, they can't be blamed for not wanting to take a chance.

 From the "Big Six" conferences plus Notre Dame, the main concern is not 
letting outside teams gain any real chance of contending for the title 
-- and equally importantly, gaining a greater share of the available 
revenue. I believe Jonathan just posted about that in detail.

That's basically why the folks behind the BCS don't really want to 
change, and every change so far has been grudgingly made, as a reaction 
to whatever situation may have arisen that year. I'm not claiming that 
it's fair or right, mind you...it's just why.

As for "many people don't want playoffs"...oy. "Many" people want and 
don't want lots of things, but that is neither proof of majority nor any 
concern whatsoever to the BCS. They wouldn't care if 99% of the country 
wanted a playoff, so long as the remaining 1% filled their stadiums and 
gave them the revenue they desired.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 11 13:59:02 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Nov 11 13:59:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Special teams coach again
Message-ID: <1565351677-1257969541-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-13923525-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

In today's Philadelphia Inquirer it was reported that Penn State, Ohio State and NU are the only three Big   Ten teams without an assistant coach dedicated at least part time to special teams. 

JoePa's reasoning was more or less "we've always done it that way" which I guess is a good enough reason only if you have been in charge for centuries. And you can guess that TresselVest's intense interest in special teams means he directs them at Ohio State. 

So it turns out that most of the teams NU plays DO have special teams coaches. I say it is time to get one. 

Brad Wilson
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From ivars at radioskonto.lv  Wed Nov 11 14:12:10 2009
From: ivars at radioskonto.lv (Ivars Embrekts)
Date: Wed Nov 11 14:12:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Special teams coach again
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The addition of a special teams coach would result in the firing of a 
coach because the NCAA says a college team can can only have 9 coaches.

So, who should we fire?


bwdolphin146@yahoo.com wrote:
> In today's Philadelphia Inquirer it was reported that Penn State, Ohio State and NU are the only three Big   Ten teams without an assistant coach dedicated at least part time to special teams. 
>
> JoePa's reasoning was more or less "we've always done it that way" which I guess is a good enough reason only if you have been in charge for centuries. And you can guess that TresselVest's intense interest in special teams means he directs them at Ohio State. 
>
> So it turns out that most of the teams NU plays DO have special teams coaches. I say it is time to get one. 
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 11 14:14:25 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Nov 11 14:14:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bravo for Herman!
Message-ID: <582844455-1257970466-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2133772263-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I completely agree on the postseason. I can live with the BCS -- actually one of the most amusing things about the BCS comes from watching those who hate it so froth at the pen/computer (hi SjT) -- but I want to do ditch it to bring back the old ways. 

There can be no such thing OTHER than a MNC under ANY system. Take two points of many; 1) Does anybody think "playoff" games will be played in  cold weather? Yet many teams are built to survive cold-weather games. 2) There is not nearly any kind of level playing field with academics and standards now. Even leaving NU and Stanford and the like aside, does anybody seriously think the same standards and expectations for student-athletes exist at Florida State, Alabama and Oklahoma, say, as at Wisconsin, Cal, and North Carolina? (Of course it is even worse in basketball.)

Play to a conference title and win a bowl game. Everything above that is ultimately sound and fury signifying nothing. 

Brad Wilson
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 11 14:17:02 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Wed Nov 11 14:17:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Special teams coach again
Message-ID: <1921659793-1257970627-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1261346751-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

No one. Just put one assistant in charge of superbacks/special teams. 

He would then be able to concentrate on special teams and could attend clinics, study ST play, etc. 

Brad Wilson
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Sent: Nov 11, 2009 15:12

The addition of a special teams coach would result in the firing of a 
coach because the NCAA says a college team can can only have 9 coaches.

So, who should we fire?


bwdolphin146@yahoo.com wrote:
> In today's Philadelphia Inquirer it was reported that Penn State, Ohio State and NU are the only three Big   Ten teams without an assistant coach dedicated at least part time to special teams. 
>
> JoePa's reasoning was more or less "we've always done it that way" which I guess is a good enough reason only if you have been in charge for centuries. And you can guess that TresselVest's intense interest in special teams means he directs them at Ohio State. 
>
> So it turns out that most of the teams NU plays DO have special teams coaches. I say it is time to get one. 
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Nov 11 14:59:04 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed Nov 11 15:00:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Terrible news: Coble hurt
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 http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/foot-injury-sidelines-nu-star-kevin-coble.html

From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 11 15:15:56 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 11 15:16:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] New candidate du jour
Message-ID: <8CC312B4B00C8D1-383C-5489@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com>


Seems like the ever-inventive members of the media have now found a new 'favorite candidate' for many of their favorite program (the evil empire):

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-kelly110909&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I remember last year a number of them were nominating Fitz, based on his surname, I guess.  Besides being a suicidal move (who would want such a thankless job ?), this years 6-4 record (following last year's 9-3) seems to have thrown these people off of Fitz' trail.

Good for him.

These stories also make nonsensical assumptions.  Assuming Claussen stays ?  Why would he ?  Didn't we learn anything from Oklahoma's QB ?  If you're a young man, facing a decision between a) stick around and help old Alma Mater win a National Championship, or b) grab a ton of money from the NFL, you had better choose NFL every time.  The national championship will earn the 'school' millions, and the coach and AD hefty contract extensions.  It will earn the young man a hat, a t-shirt, a week somewhere warm, and in all likelihood less NFL cash spread out over fewer years.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85 
From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 11 15:17:42 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 11 15:18:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Special teams coach again
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Jerry Brown - kick him upstairs

Chuck Herron   Tech '85


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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Special teams coach again


The addition of a special teams coach would result in the firing of a coach because the NCAA says a college team can can only have 9 coaches. 
 
So, who should we fire? 
 
bwdolphin146@yahoo.com wrote: 
> In today's Philadelphia Inquirer it was reported that Penn State, Ohio State and NU are the only three Big Ten teams without an assistant coach dedicated at least part time to special teams. > 
> JoePa's reasoning was more or less "we've always done it that way" which I guess is a good enough reason only if you have been in charge for centuries. And you can guess that TresselVest's intense interest in special teams means he directs them at Ohio State. > 
> So it turns out that most of the teams NU plays DO have special teams coaches. I say it is time to get one. > 
> Brad Wilson 
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry? 
> 
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 11 15:21:39 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 11 15:22:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bravo for Herman!
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Brad is 100% correct.  Ask yourself - if we were 12-0, ranked #1 nationally, where would you want to play ?  I want to go to the Rose Bowl, win the eating contest at Lawrey's, visit some famed alum in Hollywood, and get revenge on Southern Cal, no question.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85


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Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 2:14 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Bravo for Herman!



I completely agree on the postseason. I can live with the BCS -- actually one of 
he most amusing things about the BCS comes from watching those who hate it so 
roth at the pen/computer (hhi SjT) -- but I want to do ditch it to bring back 
he old ways. 
There can be no such thing OTHER than a MNC under ANY system. Take two points of 
any; 1) Does anybody think "playoff" games will be played in  cold weather? Yet 
any teams are built to survive cold-weather games. 2) There is not nearly any 
ind of level playing field with academics and standards now. Even leaving NU 
nd Stanford and the like aside, does anybody seriously think the same standards 
nd expectations for student-athletes exist at Florida State, Alabama and 
klahoma, say, as at Wisconsin, Cal, and North Carolina? (Of course it is even 
orse in basketball.)
Play to a conference title and win a bowl game. Everything above that is 
ltimately sound and fury signifying nothing. 
Brad Wilson
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 15:29:16 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Nov 11 15:29:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Special teams coach again
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> He would then be able to concentrate on special teams and could attend
> clinics, study ST play, etc.
>

This is one of my pet peeves because it's stupid to think that NU's current
assistants aren't involved in specific aspects of special teams now.  Just
because there isn't a coach with that title doesn't mean that they aren't
either helping or are in charge of things like coverage teams, etc.  For
instance, I'm sure Hankwitz has contributed to NU special team punt and kick
coverage - which has helped NU be quite successful in preventing big
returns.

There was an article in USA Today recently about the unique titles given to
assistant coaches for them to get around certain contract/salary rules:
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2009-11-10-assistant-coaches-titles_N.htm

The fact is that each assistant coach has slightly varied responsibilities
based on the other assistants and the head coach of each program.  Fitz and
NU have decided to set up their titles and responsibilities (many of which
we as fans never see, like recruiting activities) based on who is on staff
and where the areas of need are.

Sorry, but hiring a special teams coach is NO magic bullet to make the
special teams instantly better (it doesn't somehow make the guys on the
field make tackles, shed blocks, or get downfield faster).  Remember that
most of the guys on special teams are either young or are splitting time
with the offense or defense and due to rather strict practice time
restrictions, that makes practicing a significant amount of time on special
teams difficult.

Final note: there was a quote this past week from Fitz that if Demos was
only handling punts this year then he would be "leading the league" in that
category.  (He's handled all kicking duties this year outside of some
garbage time against Towson when Steve Flaherty had an XP and kickoff).  You
can blame the coaches for not bringing in another kicker, but that's more on
the recruiting guys than a special teams coach.

Jonathan
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 11 15:39:48 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Nov 11 15:39:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bravo for Herman!
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> I completely agree on the postseason.
> I can live with the BCS -- actually one of the most amusing
> things about the BCS comes from watching those who hate it
> so froth at the pen/computer (hi SjT) -- but I want to do
> ditch it to bring back the old ways. 

:) - well, I guess I've been summoned.

I must admit, that should college football wise up and ditch this joke of a system, I would miss ripping it incessantly because it's such an easy (and deserving) target. But then again, there's still major league baseball, Notre Dame, the 1976 New York Cosmos, people who think NASCAR qualifies as a sport, TV networks that televise golf, the Barcelona Dragons, Laker fans, German farvergnugen and the Easter bunny. :)

Seriously, in Chicago terms, the B(C)S is like settling for Pizza Hut when you could have Carmen's or Giordonno's. It's not like you'll starve with Pizza Hut - you just could have better. And you did have better (say Papa John's) before with the old bowl system ... so why are we eating this styrofoam crap year after year?

I will admit that they are entertaining in how they find new ways to screw it all up year after year ... first it was the Bowden computers, then the Big XII bias, then leaving an unbeaten SEC team out, then putting a 2-loss SEC team at home for the title, then forgetting the mid-majors, now it could be leaving out a top 5 and unbeaten mid-major ... and sadly it will soon be forcing Pasadena to take one of those mid-majors.

Oh well -- it's the worst of both worlds. The old bowl system has lost all its tradition and meaning (save for Pasadena, but that's under attack now) and we're no closer to having a legit 1 vs. 2 game except every 4-5 years when the system lucks out (which was about the same rate as under the old bowl system). The playoff makes too much sense, so it won't happen.

But at least we'll have this B(C)S mess to kick around!:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Nov 11 15:44:26 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Nov 11 15:44:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bravo for Herman!
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<Ask yourself - if we were 12-0, ranked #1 nationally, where would you want 
to play ?  I want to go to the Rose Bowl, win the eating contest at 
Lawrey's, visit some famed alum in Hollywood, and get revenge on Southern 
Cal, no question.

And everyone else will yearn to play in the national championship game 
wherever it may be played. 

From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 11 16:00:10 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 11 16:00:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 2nd BCS
Message-ID: <8CC313178C87DCE-383C-6234@webmail-d034.sysops.aol.com>


Do we have any hope now of landing a 2nd BCS entrant ?  I'm guessing that one of Cincinnati, TCU or Boise would have to lose.  Cinci has West Virginia, Illinois and at Pitt remaining.  Pitt would be the best bet.  TCU has Utah, at Wyoming and New Mexico.  Utah might be the closest, maybe 2 touchdown underdog ?  Boise has 4 remaining - Idaho, at Utah St, Nevada and New Mexico St.  None of these games figures to be within 3 touchdowns.

And we of course have to beat Zook this Saturday, to get us to 7 wins and avoid the 6-6 clog (Minnesota, Michigan St and us).

Thoughts ?

Chuck Herron   Tech '85  
From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 11 16:08:51 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 11 16:09:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 2nd BCS
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Oops - even Cincy wouldn't help.  It would have to be TCU or Boise, and their schedules look terribly weak.  Maybe hope for a USC loss at Arizona ?

Chuck Herron   Tech '85


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Sent: Wed, Nov 11, 2009 4:00 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] 2nd BCS




o we have any hope now of landing a 2nd BCS entrant ?  I'm guessing that one of 
incinnati, TCU or Boise would have to lose.  Cinci has West Virginia, Illinois 
nd at Pitt remaining.  Pitt would be the best bet.  TCU has Utah, at Wyoming 
nd New Mexico.  Utah might be the closest, maybe 2 touchdown underdog ?  Boise 
as 4 remaining - Idaho, at Utah St, Nevada and New Mexico St.  None of these 
ames figures to be within 3 touchdowns.
And we of course have to beat Zook this Saturday, to get us to 7 wins and avoid 
he 6-6 clog (Minnesota, Michigan St and us).
Thoughts ?
Chuck Herron   Tech '85  
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Nov 11 16:20:04 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Nov 11 16:21:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 2nd BCS
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On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 4:00 PM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:

>
> Do we have any hope now of landing a 2nd BCS entrant ?
>

Yes, the Big Ten actually has a good chance.

There are 4 BCS at-large spots.  One will go to a mid-major: TCU or Boise
State, whoever is left with the highest BCS ranking.  There is NO WAY a
second mid-major gets a BCS bid if the bowls have any choice in the matter
(they likely will have multiple options available to them - the requirement
is a team must be in the top 14 and have 9 or more wins).  The reason is
money, and the bowls don't care how much you or anyone else whines about it,
all they care about is getting people in the seats and
hotels/restaurants/etc.  Big name teams do that better than "mid-majors" no
matter how their records compare.

The second BCS spot is virtually guaranteed to go to the SEC Championship
Game loser (Sugar Bowl is likely destination for them).

For the final 2 spots, though, things get a bit more complicated.

The Big XII looks like it'll be out of the picture (Oklahoma State is the
only team in the discussion and they're behind some others in the rankings),
as will the Big East (since West Virginia, Pitt, and Cincy all play each
other over the next four weeks, essentially knocking all but one out of the
upper echelon).  Note that I assume that nothing crazy happens (like Texas
losing in the Big XII championship game and stealing an at-large spot).

The ACC already has Miami (FL) in the top 14 and, assuming GT wins the ACC
title game, should remain in the mix.  The Pac-10 has Oregon, USC, and
Arizona - although there is a lot left to be resolved on the field.

But the Big Ten may be in the best position of all conferences, with Penn
State and Wisconsin sitting at 8-2 with 2 win-able games each left on the
slate (yes, I know Wisconsin still plays NU) - they are currently #18 and
#20 in the BCS, respectively, and have a great chance to move up.  Also,
there's Iowa (currently #10) and assuming they lose to OSU, don't drop too
far, and beat Minnesota to finish the year, they could be sitting at 10-2
and would also be available and if they make the top 14 would be one of the
most attractive choices of all.

So, as long as crazy events don't transpire (like Texas or Georgia Tech
losing in their conference championships or Penn State/Wisconsin/Iowa losing
to teams they should beat down the stretch), the prognosis is good for the
Big Ten getting 2 bids.  We'll know a lot more after each week's games
though (and there are 2 to go for most Big Ten teams and 4 for everyone
else).

Jonathan
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Thu Nov 12 09:13:12 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu Nov 12 09:14:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim O'Donnell Article in the Sun-Times
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270911120713s196c4ac1l5cc6ed3661c29baf@mail.gmail.com>

Although The Sun Times put NU on its cover last week for the Iowa upset, the
NU-bashing has seemingly restarted (remember Marriotti and Telander?):

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/1880140,CST-SPT-nu12.article

It's clear that O'Donnell has a beef with the NU athletic department media
relations (the gameday spread in the press box isn't good enough?), and I
don't doubt that there is room for Northwestern to improve, but he takes
some undeserved shots in the article.

Fitz does not deserve any criticism from his comments.  His team won a big
game and deserves to be hyped.  He's also trying to keep an upper hand in
the recruiting game and is standing on solid ground when stating that NU has
been consistently better than Stanford and Notre Dame in recent years (who
happen to be two prime recruiting rivals).  Yes, he spews a lot of
coachspeak, but that's his job and he's come a long way from his first year
in 2006.

Finally, as discussed here ad nauseam, a new stadium alone wouldn't
instantly solve NU's attendance woes (see my previous email detailing how it
hasn't worked for Stanford).  I think he threw that in there to keep the
article as negative as possible.

I usually enjoy his writing but this article is both unjustified and one
that shouldn't be published leading up to an in-state rivalry game that
would actually warrant coverage.  (And yes, I know we're actually helping
the newspaper's cause by reading and responding, but feel it deserves a
response).

I did already email Jim and would imagine others would like to share their
opinions as well.

Jonathan
From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Nov 12 09:29:00 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Nov 12 09:29:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim O'Donnell Article in the Sun-Times
References: <fcb3ee270911120713s196c4ac1l5cc6ed3661c29baf@mail.gmail.com>
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O'Donnell is too hard on Fitz, who is, after all, trying to sell his 
football program nationally.  What was he supposed to have said about the 
Iowa win?  We stink but we won in spite of ourselves?  On the other hand, 
O'Donnell makes valid points.  Do not assume, Jonathan, that because a 
majority of this listserv has concluded that a new stadium would not improve 
attendance that you have uttered God's own truth.  If nothing else, a new 
stadium would prove that the university is serious about NU football, 
something that definitely has not always been the case. 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 12 09:33:43 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Nov 12 09:33:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] New thinking at NU?
Message-ID: <000001ca63ad$84943d40$8dbcb7c0$@com>

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/1880140,CST-SPT-nu12.article

Maybe not - Sun times cites "strained media relations" as one of the "issues."

I won't comment on all that - but Purple Reign did have trouble working with NU after Chris
Poole left for greener pastures. The "powers that be" when we started made us a "fan site" and
we never could get beyond that tag.

I'm not sure what the climate is at NU for the media, but the comment about strained relations
tells me that Fitz and Carmody's tendency to hold things secret (closed practices during spring
and basketball season) is starting to backfire. 

I know Barnett thought this list leaked some of his game planning and banned media. Maybe Fitz
is reacting to that.

IMNO, it seems that NU has a media problem, and until they open up a bit (stop feeding just the
Trib and WGN), things won't get any better.

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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Thu Nov 12 10:29:20 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Thu Nov 12 10:31:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim O'Donnell Article in the Sun-Times
Message-ID: <20091112.102920.12004.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com>

Wow.

I really like the last paragraph where we are underachievers.  Hmmm.  New starting QBs, WRs, RBs, etc..  Throw in defensive backfield injuries and we are still outpacing MSU, Minnesota, Michigan, and Illinois all of which had the same or bigger aspirations at the beginning of the season.  Only Iowa and Wisconsin have "surprised" and there is a chance Iowa will only finish 1 game ahead of us or tied with us in conference.

Fitz shows the fire when discussing Harbaugh and hypes up Northwestern both academically, character, and post-1994 success.  This counters the negative recruiting from others talking about the dark ages or Harbaugh bashing the schedule.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
To: NU Sports Listserv <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim O'Donnell Article in the Sun-Times
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:13:12 -0600

Although The Sun Times put NU on its cover last week for the Iowa upset, the
NU-bashing has seemingly restarted (remember Marriotti and Telander?):

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/1880140,CST-SPT-nu12.article

It's clear that O'Donnell has a beef with the NU athletic department media
relations (the gameday spread in the press box isn't good enough?), and I
don't doubt that there is room for Northwestern to improve, but he takes
some undeserved shots in the article.

Fitz does not deserve any criticism from his comments.  His team won a big
game and deserves to be hyped.  He's also trying to keep an upper hand in
the recruiting game and is standing on solid ground when stating that NU has
been consistently better than Stanford and Notre Dame in recent years (who
happen to be two prime recruiting rivals).  Yes, he spews a lot of
coachspeak, but that's his job and he's come a long way from his first year
in 2006.

Finally, as discussed here ad nauseam, a new stadium alone wouldn't
instantly solve NU's attendance woes (see my previous email detailing how it
hasn't worked for Stanford).  I think he threw that in there to keep the
article as negative as possible.

I usually enjoy his writing but this article is both unjustified and one
that shouldn't be published leading up to an in-state rivalry game that
would actually warrant coverage.  (And yes, I know we're actually helping
the newspaper's cause by reading and responding, but feel it deserves a
response).

I did already email Jim and would imagine others would like to share their
opinions as well.

Jonathan
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Nov 12 11:40:05 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 12 11:40:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim O'Donnell Article in the Sun-Times
In-Reply-To: <9CF7D4C6FE7A45AF9F2ED9318D24E17B@DennisMachine>
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Ironically, Dyche was described as boutique-y (O'Donnell's suggestion) not too long ago, described as a football version of Wrigley by some sources in the RW era.  The difference is that almost all of the fans at Dyche care about NU football - a large percentage of the Wrigley fans couldn't tell you who was playing at Wrigley.  Wrigley is a large outdoor sports bar in a bar-choked neighborghood.  Dyche is surrounded by a town that dislikes NU, and by neighbors who dislike crowds, noise, events and anything else that is vaguely 'fun' (well, maybe raking leaves into big piles and jumping into them, but a few might even grumble about that).

I think O'Donnell raises some good questions that we have gone over here as well, and pretty often - why does attendance suffer, why are town/gown relations always so bad, why are media relations frequently so bad...all with a (one hopes) 22-14 3-year record.

One recent media transgression made me very angry.  Our games have always been treated like stepchildren on WGN (They're large and heard in a lot of states - but they are not demographically attractive).  But now I keep hearing 'The Cubs and the Blackhawks play on WGN' commercials during other WGN programs, read by the insufferable Pat Hughes and the horrible Ron Santo.  No mention of Northwestern Football, even though we have been there longer than the Blackhawks.  Whenever I'm in Chicago, I listen to the Score and AM-1000 - I hear very little discussion of NU football there, although both stations are 99% Bear this time of the year.  Even Memola (?) and his partner talk a little NU Football, but shift quickly to their real concerns - Bears and Cubs as soon as they can.  I kind of missed driving to Iowa this year, not only for missing the game, but for missing the 6-7 hours of postgame discussion, both network and local. 

Fitz will be a better head coach after observing and talking to Paterno, Tressel and a few others over the next several years.  In short, I think O'Donnell isn't saying 'Northwestern is a lousy place because...', he's saying 'Things are doing OK, why isn't Northwestern a happier place ?'

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

PS - I have also noticed some Illini fans on the News-Gazette boards complaining about Guenther (for destroying the Football program), and suggesting that they steal away Mr Phillips.


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2009 9:29 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim O'Donnell Article in the Sun-Times


O'Donnell is too hard on Fitz, who is, after all, trying to sell his football program nationally. What was he supposed to have said about the Iowa win? We stink but we won in spite of ourselves? On the other hand, O'Donnell makes valid points. Do not assume, Jonathan, that because a majority of this listserv has concluded that a new stadium would not improve attendance that you have uttered God's own truth. If nothing else, a new stadium would prove that the university is serious about NU football, something that definitely has not always been the case.  
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Nov 12 12:21:12 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Nov 12 12:22:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim O'Donnell Article in the Sun-Times
In-Reply-To: <9CF7D4C6FE7A45AF9F2ED9318D24E17B@DennisMachine>
References: <fcb3ee270911120713s196c4ac1l5cc6ed3661c29baf@mail.gmail.com>
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As I recall, from the early GB years, as far as infrastructure it is the
training and practice facilities that are generally thought to have the
most impact on recruiting.  That's because football kids spend a lot of
time using those services and appreciate the latest stuff.  Those who
are thinking about playing on Sundays are going to decide whether or not
the training program will be able to get them to the size and speed they
need to have a chance.

The fact that our players have had significantly more success in the NFL
over the past five years than ever before is testimony both to our
training program and the quality of kids that we are recruiting.

I agree that Fitz is just taking advantage of the opportunities he has
to stay on message regarding potential recruits.  Harbaugh did the same
thing to Michigan a couple of years ago when he shared his classroom
experience.  These guys all know who they are competing with for
recruits and what their best value props are.  

It seems like the Chicago media ecology has a niche for one anti-NU guy.
Now that Maridiot is gone, perhaps Jim O'Donnell is auditioning.

Jeff 


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On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 10:29 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Jim O'Donnell Article in the Sun-Times

O'Donnell is too hard on Fitz, who is, after all, trying to sell his
football program nationally.  What was he supposed to have said about
the Iowa win?  We stink but we won in spite of ourselves?  On the other
hand, O'Donnell makes valid points.  Do not assume, Jonathan, that
because a majority of this listserv has concluded that a new stadium
would not improve attendance that you have uttered God's own truth.  If
nothing else, a new stadium would prove that the university is serious
about NU football, something that definitely has not always been the
case. 

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Nov 12 12:35:58 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Nov 12 12:36:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] New thinking at NU? 
Message-ID: <200911121835.nACIZwuB031151@romaine.tssi.com>

> IMNO, it seems that NU has a media problem, and until they open up a bit (stop feeding just the
> Trib and WGN), things won't get any better.

Ironic that NU, one of the best Journalism schools in the country and undoubtably
one with alums working at Internet 'media' sites, seems not to recognize the Internet as 
a valid medium at the pressbox.  
--
Mike Nolan

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 12 14:15:11 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Thu Nov 12 14:15:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] SjT vs BCS
In-Reply-To: <529071.62815.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <529071.62815.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <608092.30884.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Alright SjT (my former roommate).....let's hear it. 

You type over 150 emails a year bashing the BCS. Please tell me how it can be fixed. What's the magic solution?

Perhaps the formula could be improved, but given the constraints (no plus one bowls and teams that don't meet on the field), it's an attempt to find the two best teams and let them play for the title. I love the tradition of the Big Ten and Pac 10 in the Rose Bowl, but aside from losing that, I don't see how the BCS process had ruined life as we know it. 

Go Cats!
Jim


?


----- Original Message ----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com; bwdolphin146@yahoo.com
Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 3:39:48 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bravo for Herman!

> I completely agree on the postseason.
> I can live with the BCS -- actually one of the most amusing
> things about the BCS comes from watching those who hate it
> so froth at the pen/computer (hi SjT) -- but I want to do
> ditch it to bring back the old ways. 

:) - well, I guess I've been summoned.

I must admit, that should college football wise up and ditch this joke of a system, I would miss ripping it incessantly because it's such an easy (and deserving) target. But then again, there's still major league baseball, Notre Dame, the 1976 New York Cosmos, people who think NASCAR qualifies as a sport, TV networks that televise golf, the Barcelona Dragons, Laker fans, German farvergnugen and the Easter bunny. :)

Seriously, in Chicago terms, the B(C)S is like settling for Pizza Hut when you could have Carmen's or Giordonno's. It's not like you'll starve with Pizza Hut - you just could have better. And you did have better (say Papa John's) before with the old bowl system ... so why are we eating this styrofoam crap year after year?

I will admit that they are entertaining in how they find new ways to screw it all up year after year ... first it was the Bowden computers, then the Big XII bias, then leaving an unbeaten SEC team out, then putting a 2-loss SEC team at home for the title, then forgetting the mid-majors, now it could be leaving out a top 5 and unbeaten mid-major ... and sadly it will soon be forcing Pasadena to take one of those mid-majors.

Oh well -- it's the worst of both worlds. The old bowl system has lost all its tradition and meaning (save for Pasadena, but that's under attack now) and we're no closer to having a legit 1 vs. 2 game except every 4-5 years when the system lucks out (which was about the same rate as under the old bowl system). The playoff makes too much sense, so it won't happen.

But at least we'll have this B(C)S mess to kick around!:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From ivars at radioskonto.lv  Thu Nov 12 14:28:01 2009
From: ivars at radioskonto.lv (Ivars Embrekts)
Date: Thu Nov 12 14:28:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] SjT vs BCS
In-Reply-To: <608092.30884.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <529071.62815.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<608092.30884.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AFC6FD1.4020203@radioskonto.lv>

Oh gawhd here we go...

Jim Leonard wrote:
> Alright SjT (my former roommate).....let's hear it. 
>
> You type over 150 emails a year bashing the BCS. Please tell me how it can be fixed. What's the magic solution?
>
> Perhaps the formula could be improved, but given the constraints (no plus one bowls and teams that don't meet on the field), it's an attempt to find the two best teams and let them play for the title. I love the tradition of the Big Ten and Pac 10 in the Rose Bowl, but aside from losing that, I don't see how the BCS process had ruined life as we know it. 
>
> Go Cats!
> Jim
>
>
>  
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com; bwdolphin146@yahoo.com
> Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 3:39:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bravo for Herman!
>
>   
>> I completely agree on the postseason.
>> I can live with the BCS -- actually one of the most amusing
>> things about the BCS comes from watching those who hate it
>> so froth at the pen/computer (hi SjT) -- but I want to do
>> ditch it to bring back the old ways. 
>>     
>
> :) - well, I guess I've been summoned.
>
> I must admit, that should college football wise up and ditch this joke of a system, I would miss ripping it incessantly because it's such an easy (and deserving) target. But then again, there's still major league baseball, Notre Dame, the 1976 New York Cosmos, people who think NASCAR qualifies as a sport, TV networks that televise golf, the Barcelona Dragons, Laker fans, German farvergnugen and the Easter bunny. :)
>
> Seriously, in Chicago terms, the B(C)S is like settling for Pizza Hut when you could have Carmen's or Giordonno's. It's not like you'll starve with Pizza Hut - you just could have better. And you did have better (say Papa John's) before with the old bowl system ... so why are we eating this styrofoam crap year after year?
>
> I will admit that they are entertaining in how they find new ways to screw it all up year after year ... first it was the Bowden computers, then the Big XII bias, then leaving an unbeaten SEC team out, then putting a 2-loss SEC team at home for the title, then forgetting the mid-majors, now it could be leaving out a top 5 and unbeaten mid-major ... and sadly it will soon be forcing Pasadena to take one of those mid-majors.
>
> Oh well -- it's the worst of both worlds. The old bowl system has lost all its tradition and meaning (save for Pasadena, but that's under attack now) and we're no closer to having a legit 1 vs. 2 game except every 4-5 years when the system lucks out (which was about the same rate as under the old bowl system). The playoff makes too much sense, so it won't happen.
>
> But at least we'll have this B(C)S mess to kick around!:)
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
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>
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From artmiller_news at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 12 15:48:18 2009
From: artmiller_news at yahoo.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Thu Nov 12 15:48:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] SjT vs BCS
In-Reply-To: <4AFC6FD1.4020203@radioskonto.lv>
Message-ID: <692315.10853.qm@web113801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Yeah, really--are you trying to encourage him, Jim? :)

>From what I can tell, Truog is no different than anyone else who believes  that having a playoff will somehow eliminate all the controversy and ambiguity of declaring a national champion.

Of course, the first iteration of a playoff system won't satisfy them--it will have too few teams, or won't grant slots correctly, or seed them properly, or schedule them the fairest way...so then it will be something else to complain about.



--- On Thu, 11/12/09, Ivars Embrekts <ivars@radioskonto.lv> wrote:

> From: Ivars Embrekts <ivars@radioskonto.lv>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] SjT vs BCS
> To: "Jim Leonard" <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Northwestern Wildcats" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 2:28 PM
> Oh gawhd here we go...
> 
> Jim Leonard wrote:
> > Alright SjT (my former roommate).....let's hear it. 
> >
> > You type over 150 emails a year bashing the BCS.
> Please tell me how it can be fixed. What's the magic
> solution?



      

From clzahn at mindspring.com  Thu Nov 12 18:49:52 2009
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Thu Nov 12 18:50:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] SjT vs BCS
In-Reply-To: <608092.30884.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <529071.62815.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<608092.30884.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4AFCAD30.3000000@mindspring.com>

Jim Leonard wrote:
> Alright SjT (my former roommate).....let's hear it. 
>
> You type over 150 emails a year bashing the BCS. Please tell me how it can be fixed. What's the magic solution?
>
> Perhaps the formula could be improved, but given the constraints (no plus one bowls and teams that don't meet on the field), it's an attempt to find the two best teams and let them play for the title. I love the tradition of the Big Ten and Pac 10 in the Rose Bowl, but aside from losing that, I don't see how the BCS process had ruined life as we know it. 
>
> Go Cats!
> Jim
>
>
>  
>   
Please don't!

I'm sick of hearing about playoffs.

Clark

From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Nov 12 20:28:18 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Nov 12 20:28:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] ESPN360
Message-ID: <765DF89CCFB84489AC2639AA15F5512B@DennisMachine>

In hopes of watching the NU-IL game on ESPN360, I attempted to open the program to watch the SFU - Rutgers game to see if it would work on Comcast.  It asks me to download a MOVE plug-in, but that failed.  I then tried to run  http://player.movenetworks.com/pub/D0295F3F/MoveMediaPlayerWin_071701000002.exe manually per instructions, but my TrendMicro security software warns me that it considers the site dangerous.  Any of you have issues with this?
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 12 20:58:05 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Nov 12 20:58:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] SjT vs BCS
In-Reply-To: <692315.10853.qm@web113801.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <256839.31351.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Yeah, really--are you trying to
> encourage him, Jim? :)

I'm not that easily bated ... plus, I usually mix my B(C)S shots in amid other e-mails. I rarely send one on the woes of the B(C)S alone.

> >From what I can tell, Truog is no different than anyone
> else who believes? that having a playoff will somehow
> eliminate all the controversy and ambiguity of declaring a

Then you haven't been paying attention ... without going into it, I'm for multiple options but anything besides this "worst of both worlds" solution we've had crammed down our throat by the Big Least.

> Of course, the first iteration of a playoff system won't
> satisfy them--it will have too few teams, or won't grant

Seems to me the NCAA tournament is the same (32 to 48 to 64, now some say to 96 ...), but few complain when March Madness comes along.

Oh well, another time and another day ... I've still got those 1951 Pittsburgh Pirates and 1983 Vancouver Canucks to rant about for now.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 12 22:09:48 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Nov 12 22:09:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] New stadium?
Message-ID: <8977107-1258085386-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1505132139-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

No. And even if yes Evanston would never let NU build it. So it's no always and forever. 

We need a new approach at the old one. Better traffic control. Better concessions. Less annoying "security". Cheaper tickets. Fewer 11 am starts (go 10-2 every season and you get more 2:30 starts!). 

Personally I love games at Dyche and it's so nice to be so close to the players and the action. When Eric Peterman caught that TD pass in the south end zone against Illinois last year right in front of me I was tingling with excitement. 

I don't know enough about training and practice facilities at NU to comment if they need replacing or updating. If so, do so. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 12 22:20:39 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Nov 12 22:18:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] ESPN360
In-Reply-To: <765DF89CCFB84489AC2639AA15F5512B@DennisMachine>
References: <765DF89CCFB84489AC2639AA15F5512B@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <004b01ca6418$a952d090$fbf871b0$@com>

No, it works fine on my XP system

rsl

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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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     How's that "hope" and "Change"
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W.
Brandt
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:28 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] ESPN360

In hopes of watching the NU-IL game on ESPN360, I attempted to open the program to watch the SFU
- Rutgers game to see if it would work on Comcast.  It asks me to download a MOVE plug-in, but
that failed.  I then tried to run
http://player.movenetworks.com/pub/D0295F3F/MoveMediaPlayerWin_071701000002.exe manually per
instructions, but my TrendMicro security software warns me that it considers the site dangerous.
Any of you have issues with this?
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From AirSnod at aol.com  Fri Nov 13 01:10:38 2009
From: AirSnod at aol.com (AirSnod@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 13 01:10:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim O'Donnell Article in the Sun-Times
Message-ID: <c41.6bd98fe4.382e606e@aol.com>


> Do not assume, Jonathan, that because a
> majority of this listserv has concluded that a new stadium would not 
> improve
> attendance that you have uttered God's own truth.?
> 
Perhaps... but there was an article in yesterday's Star Tribune stating 
that AD Joel Maturi was wondering why the student section was half empty in the 
Gopher's new stadium.... 

...our stadium is fine. It's the Sun Times that's broken. Can we all just 
agree that news papers that fold like magazines and are more concerned with 
large-font headlines and lotto scores are irrelevant?

Read the Tribune people.
From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Nov 13 09:46:35 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 13 09:46:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim O'Donnell Article in the Sun-Times
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People need to be careful about annointing the Tribune as some kind of temple of virtue...

The Tribune was kicked out of my family's house after they brought in scabs and tried to bust up the Printer's Union back in 1985.  I still don't read it.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85


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 Do not assume, Jonathan, that because a
 majority of this listserv has concluded that a new stadium would not 
 improve
 attendance that you have uttered God's own truth. 
 
erhaps... but there was an article in yesterday's Star Tribune stating 
hat AD Joel Maturi was wondering why the student section was half empty in the 
opher's new stadium.... 
...our stadium is fine. It's the Sun Times that's broken. Can we all just 
gree that news papers that fold like magazines and are more concerned with 
arge-font headlines and lotto scores are irrelevant?
Read the Tribune people.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Nov 13 09:50:56 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Nov 13 09:51:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim O'Donnell Article in the Sun-Times
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Wow.

The death of old media played out in the lives of you two guys.

Fascinating.

Jeff

 


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People need to be careful about annointing the Tribune as some kind of
temple of virtue...

The Tribune was kicked out of my family's house after they brought in
scabs and tried to bust up the Printer's Union back in 1985.  I still
don't read it.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85


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 Do not assume, Jonathan, that because a  majority of this listserv has
concluded that a new stadium would not  improve  attendance that you
have uttered God's own truth. 
 
erhaps... but there was an article in yesterday's Star Tribune stating
hat AD Joel Maturi was wondering why the student section was half empty
in the opher's new stadium.... 
...our stadium is fine. It's the Sun Times that's broken. Can we all
just gree that news papers that fold like magazines and are more
concerned with arge-font headlines and lotto scores are irrelevant?
Read the Tribune people.
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Fri Nov 13 09:58:35 2009
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 13 09:58:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Jim O'Donnell Article in the Sun-Times
Message-ID: <bfb.6afd2979.382edc2b@aol.com>

As an aside a one time President and CEO of the Tribune was an NU Alum  as 
noted below. My wife worked for him when he was with the Dept. of  Justice.
Don Williams
C55  
Jack  Fuller (BSJ68)
Jack Fuller became president of Tribune Publishing Company in 1997. He  
started his career as a copyboy at the Chicago Tribune when he was 16 and later 
 served as a Tribune reporter in Chicago and Washington, D.C. In 1986, 
Fuller won  the Pulitzer Prize for editorial writing at the Chicago Tribune, and 
in 1989, he  became editor of the newspaper. He later was appointed its 
publisher and chief  executive officer. Fuller also served as a special 
assistant to the U.S.  Attorney General in 1975 and 1976.
From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Nov 13 12:57:12 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 13 12:57:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Predictions
Message-ID: <8CC32AA3EA1B00F-2CC0-10F11@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>


The News Gazette in Champaign likes us on Saturday

http://www.illinihq.com/news/football/2009/11/13/hq_prediction_northwestern_32-28/

Also, the three bowl predictions have us going three different places

                       ESPN 1 (Schlabach)        ESPN 2 (Feldman)         CBS Sportsline
Rose                Oregon-Ohio St               Oregon-Ohio St              Oregon-Ohio St
BCS2               Iowa-TCU                      
Cap1                LSU-Penn St                   Auburn-Iowa                   Iowa-LSU
Outback           Wisconsin-Tennessee      Penn St-Ole Miss           Penn St-Tennessee
Insight              Texas Tech-Michigan St   Texas Tech-Wisconsin   NU-Texas Tech
Alamo              NU-Oklahoma                  Michigan St-Kansas St   Wisconsin-Kansas St
Champs           Virginia Tech-Minnesota    Clemson-Minnesota        Virginia Tech-Michigan St
Pizza               Northern Illinois-Iowa St     Northern Illinois-NU        Central Michigan-Minnesota

Obviously we'd all prefer numbers 1 or 3

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Nov 13 13:07:44 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 13 13:08:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Predictions 2
Message-ID: <8CC32ABB73E79E6-2CC0-11225@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>


That formatted very badly

                  ESPN1        ESPN2        CBS
               Schlabach      Feldman    Sportsline
Rose       Ore-OSU        Ore-OSU    Ore-OSU
BCS2      Io-TCU         
Cap1       LSU-PSU        Aub-Io       Io-LSU
Outback  Wis-TN           PSU-Ole    PSU-Tn
Insight     TT-MSU          TT-Wis      TT-NU
Alamo     NU-OK            MSU-KSt   Wis-KSt
Champs  VT-Minn          Clem-Minn  VT-MSU
Pizza      NIU-Iowa St     NIU-NU      CMU-Minn

Two of the predictors had both TCU and Boise in the BCS.  One hopes that only one of them gets in (and the other complains bitterly).

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
  
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 13 13:11:42 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Fri Nov 13 13:11:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Predictions
In-Reply-To: <8CC32AA3EA1B00F-2CC0-10F11@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <930569.45197.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> 
> Obviously we'd all prefer numbers 1 or 3

I don't know, those could be ugly bowl match-ups. 

OU has offense and kicking problems, but their defense is scary good. Our offense has trouble scoring points. That's a bad combo. 

Texas Tech is not a great team, but they've scored a whole lot of points. I'd be more intrigued by that matchup as I have more faith in our D than our O, but could we score enough?

Either could be fun, and good exposure, but, man, I'm tired of losing bowl games.

Tom



From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Nov 13 13:16:08 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Nov 13 13:16:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Predictions
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I don't know.

Might be able to beat Northern Ill.

Don't know about OK or Tech.

Jeff 


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The News Gazette in Champaign likes us on Saturday

http://www.illinihq.com/news/football/2009/11/13/hq_prediction_northwest
ern_32-28/

Also, the three bowl predictions have us going three different places

                       ESPN 1 (Schlabach)        ESPN 2 (Feldman)
CBS Sportsline
Rose                Oregon-Ohio St               Oregon-Ohio St
Oregon-Ohio St
BCS2               Iowa-TCU                      
Cap1                LSU-Penn St                   Auburn-Iowa
Iowa-LSU
Outback           Wisconsin-Tennessee      Penn St-Ole Miss
Penn St-Tennessee
Insight              Texas Tech-Michigan St   Texas Tech-Wisconsin
NU-Texas Tech
Alamo              NU-Oklahoma                  Michigan St-Kansas St
Wisconsin-Kansas St
Champs           Virginia Tech-Minnesota    Clemson-Minnesota
Virginia Tech-Michigan St
Pizza               Northern Illinois-Iowa St     Northern Illinois-NU
Central Michigan-Minnesota

Obviously we'd all prefer numbers 1 or 3

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 13:19:14 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Nov 13 13:19:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Predictions 2
In-Reply-To: <8CC32ABB73E79E6-2CC0-11225@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC32ABB73E79E6-2CC0-11225@webmail-d075.sysops.aol.com>
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Everyone may also want to check out the HTP bowl page that gets updated each
week: http://hailtopurple.com/cde/bowls.html

Bowl projections are usually pretty crazy, especially with a few weeks left
to play (four more games for some teams).  I remember just 10 years ago or
so there was maybe just one set of bowl projections floating around, and
that was usually with just a couple weeks left in the season.  Now, bowl
projections start before the season and are all over the place.

Personally, I would ignore the ESPN Schlabach/Feldman projections -
sometimes they blatantly ignore bowl selection rules and even conference
affiliations and they're usually proven wrong.  For the Big Ten, I would
stick with Rittenberg's projections, which are posted at his blog on ESPN
weekly.  He knows the Big Ten selection rules better than anyone and is very
reasonable in his selections.

I've gone over this in detail before, but I really don't see two non-BCS
conference teams getting into BCS games and think that the bowls would be
nuts to pull such a move, so I think that anyone who has that as an option
right now will probably be wrong.  Of course everyone except for TCU and
Boise State could lose two more games and put the BCS bowls into a tough
spot, but I doubt it.

Finally, don't expect to book your flights until Dec. 6 when the bowl
pairings are announced.  It will likely come down to if the Big Ten can get
a second team into the BCS, which means waiting until Sunday afternoon.

Jonathan

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:

>
> That formatted very badly
>
>                  ESPN1        ESPN2        CBS
>               Schlabach      Feldman    Sportsline
> Rose       Ore-OSU        Ore-OSU    Ore-OSU
> BCS2      Io-TCU
> Cap1       LSU-PSU        Aub-Io       Io-LSU
> Outback  Wis-TN           PSU-Ole    PSU-Tn
> Insight     TT-MSU          TT-Wis      TT-NU
> Alamo     NU-OK            MSU-KSt   Wis-KSt
> Champs  VT-Minn          Clem-Minn  VT-MSU
> Pizza      NIU-Iowa St     NIU-NU      CMU-Minn
>
> Two of the predictors had both TCU and Boise in the BCS.  One hopes that
> only one of them gets in (and the other complains bitterly).
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 13 15:58:39 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov 13 15:58:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Predictions 2
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I'm intrigued by the possibility of facing the OC who put the spread into NU (and our old O-line
coach). There sure wouldn't be many "unknowns."

Northern Illinois has been itching for a matchup against us for years. I'd be a little worried
since they everything to gain in recruiting Chicago.

And Texas Tech? not sure at all - but they do play wide open and we've had trouble with teams
like that, altho Kafka would be looking at the challenge of winning the first bowl in a while.

Anyway, we gotta Irradicate the Ill-whine-I tomorrow. Then I'll worry about bowling and where.

rsl

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That formatted very badly

                  ESPN1        ESPN2        CBS
               Schlabach      Feldman    Sportsline
Rose       Ore-OSU        Ore-OSU    Ore-OSU
BCS2      Io-TCU         
Cap1       LSU-PSU        Aub-Io       Io-LSU
Outback  Wis-TN           PSU-Ole    PSU-Tn
Insight     TT-MSU          TT-Wis      TT-NU
Alamo     NU-OK            MSU-KSt   Wis-KSt
Champs  VT-Minn          Clem-Minn  VT-MSU
Pizza      NIU-Iowa St     NIU-NU      CMU-Minn

Two of the predictors had both TCU and Boise in the BCS.  One hopes that only one of them gets
in (and the other complains bitterly).

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
  
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From Winkler_Brian_H at cat.com  Fri Nov 13 16:38:46 2009
From: Winkler_Brian_H at cat.com (Brian H. Winkler)
Date: Fri Nov 13 16:42:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tickets for Wisconsin Game
In-Reply-To: <006001ca64ac$75240d90$5f6c28b0$@com>
Message-ID: <OF0EF38431.5181569C-ON8625766D.007C3EA0-8625766D.007C6641@notes.cat.com>

I have two tickets to the Wisconsin game (Section 128 - row 51) - about 
the 40 yard line.  Unfortunately I cannot go.

If anyone is interested, please contact me directly.

Brian
From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Nov 13 19:57:51 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri Nov 13 19:59:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 39-25 NU @ 1/2 vs NIU in Opener
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Listened to some on http://sports.wnur.org/ and was glad to hear that with Coble out, Carmody went with some big guy combinations, including using Rowley & Peljusic together.  And Thompson and Nash seem to be aggressively picking up the offensive slack left by Coble's injury.  

Cats were down early but surged against a respectable Northern Illinois team, capitalizing on NIU turnovers and fouls.

Late in half, Jeff Ryan got shaken up.  Possible leg injury.

If Shurna and Crawford can get cooking, things'll really be encouraging.

From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Nov 13 20:18:55 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 13 20:18:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 39-25 NU @ 1/2 vs NIU in Opener
Message-ID: <575026591-1258165127-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-424827238-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Any word yet on extent of Coble's injury?
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Listened to some on http://sports.wnur.org/ and was glad to hear that with Coble out, Carmody went with some big guy combinations, including using Rowley & Peljusic together.  And Thompson and Nash seem to be aggressively picking up the offensive slack left by Coble's injury.  

Cats were down early but surged against a respectable Northern Illinois team, capitalizing on NIU turnovers and fouls.

Late in half, Jeff Ryan got shaken up.  Possible leg injury.

If Shurna and Crawford can get cooking, things'll really be encouraging.

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Nov 13 20:22:59 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri Nov 13 20:24:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 39-25 NU @ 1/2 vs NIU in Opener
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They didn't say anything more than the hope is he'll be back in a month.

I neglected to mention the big first half Luka Mirkovic had - - he was NU's leading scorer, then Nash & Thompson.  Thompson seems to have done a good job directing the offense.

Lead down to 8 in second half, five minutes in.

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To: Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 39-25 NU @ 1/2 vs NIU in Opener

Any word yet on extent of Coble's injury?
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Listened to some on http://sports.wnur.org/ and was glad to hear that with Coble out, Carmody went with some big guy combinations, including using Rowley & Peljusic together.  And Thompson and Nash seem to be aggressively picking up the offensive slack left by Coble's injury.

Cats were down early but surged against a respectable Northern Illinois team, capitalizing on NIU turnovers and fouls.

Late in half, Jeff Ryan got shaken up.  Possible leg injury.

If Shurna and Crawford can get cooking, things'll really be encouraging.

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Nov 13 20:35:05 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri Nov 13 20:36:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 39-25 NU @ 1/2 vs NIU in Opener
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John Labbe sent this on Coble:

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/2921

Cats now up 56-40 with 11+ minutes left.

Nash drawing fouls and making free throws.  

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To: Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 39-25 NU @ 1/2 vs NIU in Opener

Any word yet on extent of Coble's injury?
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Sent: Nov 13, 2009 8:57 PM

Listened to some on http://sports.wnur.org/ and was glad to hear that with Coble out, Carmody went with some big guy combinations, including using Rowley & Peljusic together.  And Thompson and Nash seem to be aggressively picking up the offensive slack left by Coble's injury.

Cats were down early but surged against a respectable Northern Illinois team, capitalizing on NIU turnovers and fouls.

Late in half, Jeff Ryan got shaken up.  Possible leg injury.

If Shurna and Crawford can get cooking, things'll really be encouraging.

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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 21:08:11 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Fri Nov 13 21:08:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 39-25 NU @ 1/2 vs NIU in Opener
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Coble is getting a second opinion on Monday.  No word from him on what
doctors said although Carmody said he would return in a month.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/news/story?id=4652107

If it's any longer than a month, i hope they shut him down, let him
recuperate fully and bring him back next year when the team will have a
great shot at not only making the NCAA tournament but winning some games
there.
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On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Weinbaum, Willie
<Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>wrote:

> They didn't say anything more than the hope is he'll be back in a month.
>
> I neglected to mention the big first half Luka Mirkovic had - - he was NU's
> leading scorer, then Nash & Thompson.  Thompson seems to have done a good
> job directing the offense.
>
> Lead down to 8 in second half, five minutes in.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: neonrye@aol.com [mailto:neonrye@aol.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:19 PM
> To: Weinbaum, Willie; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 39-25 NU @ 1/2 vs NIU in Opener
>
> Any word yet on extent of Coble's injury?
> ------Original Message------
> From: Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com
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>
> Listened to some on http://sports.wnur.org/ and was glad to hear that with
> Coble out, Carmody went with some big guy combinations, including using
> Rowley & Peljusic together.  And Thompson and Nash seem to be aggressively
> picking up the offensive slack left by Coble's injury.
>
> Cats were down early but surged against a respectable Northern Illinois
> team, capitalizing on NIU turnovers and fouls.
>
> Late in half, Jeff Ryan got shaken up.  Possible leg injury.
>
> If Shurna and Crawford can get cooking, things'll really be encouraging.
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Nov 13 21:16:41 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri Nov 13 21:18:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats defeat NIU in Opener
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77-55 the final!

Nash career high 20 points.

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Fri Nov 13 21:26:32 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Fri Nov 13 21:26:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 39-25 NU @ 1/2 vs NIU in Opener
Message-ID: <223fce250911131926h712cb949la61c47da2b4fce03@mail.gmail.com>

I still think if its more than a month he should redshirt and we'll have a
far better team next year.  The final score for tonight was NU 77-55.  The
Cats had 4 players in double figures; Nash led all scorers with 20, followed
by Mirkovic with 15.  Shooting was less than spectacular as the Cats only
shot 39%, and 23% from beyond the arc.  Somewhat low percentages are
expected in early games but that was a little too low to be acceptable.
Peljusic and Capocci both appeared to play well off the bench and that will
be incredibly important with Coble out.


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From ddave at nusports.com  Fri Nov 13 21:26:38 2009
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Fri Nov 13 21:26:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats defeat NIU in Opener
Message-ID: <20091113192638.A25CEA6C@resin11.mta.everyone.net>

Did not listen to game but from stats it seems the  'Cats won the game at, of all places, the free throw line...34 points at the charity stripe (48 attempts).  Probably a good thing as shooting statistics otherwise not so good - 19/48 overall and only 5/21 from three point range. Of course, if they were getting fouled all the time.... 

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:16:41 -0500

77-55 the final!

Nash career high 20 points.

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From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 13 21:27:37 2009
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Fri Nov 13 21:27:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Illinois game tape request
Message-ID: <590287.47449.qm@web55602.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

If anyone is recording the Illinois game, I would appreciate a copy as I will be working and am unable to attend.

Please contact me off list, thanks.

Go 'Cats!
Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey@yahoo.com


      

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Fri Nov 13 21:45:12 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 13 21:45:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Predictions 2
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Roy and List Friends,

   Last week was what I expected our team to be.  Tough defense with an offense that controlled the clock; albeit without many points.  Get a few first downs; play field position. I love it!  The running game has started to "chip in", its all good.
   So why is Illinois favored?  With a red-shirt QB and almost gave up a big lead to Minnesota, with its All-American WR out.  I, for the life of me, can't figure this one out.  Hankwitz will have a plan tomorrow.  Cats win in surprisingly easy fashion.  Survey says:  NU 24 Illinois 13.
   GO CATS!!          Eric


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To: cherron604@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2009 4:58 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Predictions 2



I'm intrigued by the possibility of facing the OC who put the spread into NU 
and our old O-line
oach). There sure wouldn't be many "unknowns."
Northern Illinois has been itching for a matchup against us for years. I'd be a 
ittle worried
ince they everything to gain in recruiting Chicago.
And Texas Tech? not sure at all - but they do play wide open and we've had 
rouble with teams
ike that, altho Kafka would be looking at the challenge of winning the first 
owl in a while.
Anyway, we gotta Irradicate the Ill-whine-I tomorrow. Then I'll worry about 
owling and where.
rsl
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ubject: [NU Sports] Predictions 2

hat formatted very badly
                  ESPN1        ESPN2        CBS
              Schlabach      Feldman    Sportsline
ose       Ore-OSU        Ore-OSU    Ore-OSU
CS2      Io-TCU         
ap1       LSU-PSU        Aub-Io       Io-LSU
utback  Wis-TN           PSU-Ole    PSU-Tn
nsight     TT-MSU          TT-Wis      TT-NU
lamo     NU-OK            MSU-KSt   Wis-KSt
hamps  VT-Minn          Clem-Minn  VT-MSU
izza      NIU-Iowa St     NIU-NU      CMU-Minn
Two of the predictors had both TCU and Boise in the BCS.  One hopes that only 
ne of them gets
n (and the other complains bitterly).
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 04:25:00 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Nov 14 04:25:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball fantasy land
Message-ID: <222660296-1258194296-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1392898725-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

How about "winning games in the NCAAs" NU makes the tournament  first?

Or actually wins a NIT game?

Or goes  through an entire non-league season without the requisite embarrassing loss or two to Nowhere State Tech?

Or beats Penn State for once? 

Or doesn't follow up the occasional impressive Big Ten win with two or three awful losses?

Or can hold double-digit second-half leads? (Illinois, Purdue, etc.)

Sorry, I am not a believer. For years upon years on this list I have heard that, yea, THIS is the year for NU hoops.  Well, it's been years and it still hasn't been. And with Coble hurt it appears unlikely to be this year, either. 

I hope I am wrong of course. 

Brad Wilson

Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Nov 14 06:28:19 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat Nov 14 06:29:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball fantasy land
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Regardless of uncertainties in the future, last night was a good one.  There haven't been too many recent nights (or weeks, for that matter) when both the NU men's and women's basketball teams won.   It happened last night.  Both teams are 1-0.

Here are links to stories on each:

http://www.bigtennetwork.com/sports/wbasketball/story.asp?list_id=20&story_id=3375964

http://blogs.dailyherald.com/node/2922

No doubt that it's going to be very tough for the men's team to live up to the (inflated?) expectations.  But it's good to have the season underway, the team to root for and hopes for improvement and steady play.  If Carmody can build on last year's progress, especially given Coble's injury (which is a real shame), it'll be a successful season.  

No grandiose predictions, but the Cats' better balance could be cause for realistic optimism.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 5:25 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball fantasy land

How about "winning games in the NCAAs" NU makes the tournament  first?

Or actually wins a NIT game?

Or goes  through an entire non-league season without the requisite embarrassing loss or two to Nowhere State Tech?

Or beats Penn State for once?

Or doesn't follow up the occasional impressive Big Ten win with two or three awful losses?

Or can hold double-digit second-half leads? (Illinois, Purdue, etc.)

Sorry, I am not a believer. For years upon years on this list I have heard that, yea, THIS is the year for NU hoops.  Well, it's been years and it still hasn't been. And with Coble hurt it appears unlikely to be this year, either.

I hope I am wrong of course.

Brad Wilson

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 14 07:35:08 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 14 07:35:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Land of Lincoln
Message-ID: <ca2.5c7d0eed.38300c0c@aol.com>

I think we take the top hat home, we are healthy, they are not, CATS 30,  
Illness 13.
GO CATS!!!!!!
From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 10:49:12 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 14 10:49:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Prediction
Message-ID: <707443.17149.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

My only regret today will be that our victory might get Ron Zook fired. I would much rather see him stay and ruin the Illini for another 10 years. But we have Kafka and Persa available, our defense is clicking, and we can lock up a bowl by winning in the corn. 

Northwestern:    24
Illinois:              10 

The inaugural Battle for Lincoln's Lid will be ours today.


Victory & Honor,
Jim


      

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 11:36:39 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 14 11:36:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Demos
Message-ID: <4561.51444.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I hope we don't ask him to kick another long one. I don't want to see an 0-5 kind of day.

Go Cats!
Jim


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 11:44:49 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 14 11:44:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Q1 in Champaign ...
Message-ID: <258547.13761.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Some thoughts (in chronological order) ...

- Not sure about all the health reports from this list, as Benn is starting and Juice looks healthier than Persa

- However, it IS nice to see Wootton at full health - he's already making some great stuffs!

- Count me among those who think we need a special teams coach WAAAAY more than a "superbacks" coach

- Count me among those who can live without ever seeing the rugby style punt today - ouch!

- To whoever had the bright idea to run Concannon to the outside - KEEP HIM IN BETWEEN THE TACKLES! ONLY! ALWAYS!

- McManis better wake up! The secondary has been saved a couple times from their weak coverage by errant throws

- Nice drive by Kafka to get field position back after the Illini missed that field goal

- Kafka still doesn't look very mobile :(

- The way the Illini O and Demos are going, I think I'd have preferred a punt to a 47-yard field goal attempt ... thankfully the D got the stop

- Channel surfing ... Purdue looks good, Indiana looks good, Michigan looks good ... in the words of that ESPN clip of Vince Lombardi, what the heck is going on here?!?!

- While we're at a channel break, big boos to ESPN for putting this on classic and making the DirecTV folk get the sports pack. Why not ESPNU?

- Kafka still looks sharp in passing at least

- Good to see Arby Fields back in using his quicks (to the outside!) - but HOLD ON TO THE BALL, ARBY!

- Mmmmm, Arbys.

- 3rd and long ... ugh ... what coulda been with a healthy Kafka later in the season. Again, why we have no sympathy for the bumblebees. WE could have started PSU's slide!

- ANOTHER 50-yard field goal attempt??? Another miss. SPECIAL TEAMS COACH NOW!!! Heck, a couple duck punts, er "rugby style kicks" could have had us pinning the punchless Illini deep twice and maybe getting a Wootton-caused turnover or McManic pick ... C'MON FITZ!!! That was not a smart call.

- In the battle of school commercials, NU wins. Was that Illini keyboard beat out of the early 80s?

- Channel surfing again - Go Dookies!!! Revenge of the Nerds, week 2? Also flipped to the Minnesota game and immediately turned away. U-G-L-Y.

- Of course, we can't talk the way things are going now ... crummy Illini chip shot and two ill-advised NU long shots. Gotta play it smarter, Fitz. Pin 'em deep! Instead the Illini have had great field position all friggin' day now. Including a gift-wrapped field goal attempt after the kick that gives "rugby style kicks" a bad name.

- End of the quarter mercifully ... 0-0, but the Illini just busted a run to get in scoring territory, ANOTHER REASON WHY NOT TO TRY A 50-YARD PIPE DREAM FIELD GOAL TO GIVE THEM EASY FIELD POSITION AGAIN!!!!

GRRRRR!!!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 14 12:04:56 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 14 12:04:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Q1 in Champaign ...
In-Reply-To: <258547.13761.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <258547.13761.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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This offensive game plan is the pits!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:44:49 
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Q1 in Champaign ...

Some thoughts (in chronological order) ...

- Not sure about all the health reports from this list, as Benn is starting and Juice looks healthier than Persa

- However, it IS nice to see Wootton at full health - he's already making some great stuffs!

- Count me among those who think we need a special teams coach WAAAAY more than a "superbacks" coach

- Count me among those who can live without ever seeing the rugby style punt today - ouch!

- To whoever had the bright idea to run Concannon to the outside - KEEP HIM IN BETWEEN THE TACKLES! ONLY! ALWAYS!

- McManis better wake up! The secondary has been saved a couple times from their weak coverage by errant throws

- Nice drive by Kafka to get field position back after the Illini missed that field goal

- Kafka still doesn't look very mobile :(

- The way the Illini O and Demos are going, I think I'd have preferred a punt to a 47-yard field goal attempt ... thankfully the D got the stop

- Channel surfing ... Purdue looks good, Indiana looks good, Michigan looks good ... in the words of that ESPN clip of Vince Lombardi, what the heck is going on here?!?!

- While we're at a channel break, big boos to ESPN for putting this on classic and making the DirecTV folk get the sports pack. Why not ESPNU?

- Kafka still looks sharp in passing at least

- Good to see Arby Fields back in using his quicks (to the outside!) - but HOLD ON TO THE BALL, ARBY!

- Mmmmm, Arbys.

- 3rd and long ... ugh ... what coulda been with a healthy Kafka later in the season. Again, why we have no sympathy for the bumblebees. WE could have started PSU's slide!

- ANOTHER 50-yard field goal attempt??? Another miss. SPECIAL TEAMS COACH NOW!!! Heck, a couple duck punts, er "rugby style kicks" could have had us pinning the punchless Illini deep twice and maybe getting a Wootton-caused turnover or McManic pick ... C'MON FITZ!!! That was not a smart call.

- In the battle of school commercials, NU wins. Was that Illini keyboard beat out of the early 80s?

- Channel surfing again - Go Dookies!!! Revenge of the Nerds, week 2? Also flipped to the Minnesota game and immediately turned away. U-G-L-Y.

- Of course, we can't talk the way things are going now ... crummy Illini chip shot and two ill-advised NU long shots. Gotta play it smarter, Fitz. Pin 'em deep! Instead the Illini have had great field position all friggin' day now. Including a gift-wrapped field goal attempt after the kick that gives "rugby style kicks" a bad name.

- End of the quarter mercifully ... 0-0, but the Illini just busted a run to get in scoring territory, ANOTHER REASON WHY NOT TO TRY A 50-YARD PIPE DREAM FIELD GOAL TO GIVE THEM EASY FIELD POSITION AGAIN!!!!

GRRRRR!!!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 14 12:25:36 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 14 12:25:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Q1 in Champaign ...
In-Reply-To: <1801750736-1258221884-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2113614202-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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Finally!  
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: neonrye@aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:04:56 
To: sjtruog@yahoo.com<sjtruog@yahoo.com>; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com<nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>; nwu-sports@tssi.com<nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Q1 in Champaign ...

This offensive game plan is the pits!
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:44:49 
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Q1 in Champaign ...

Some thoughts (in chronological order) ...

- Not sure about all the health reports from this list, as Benn is starting and Juice looks healthier than Persa

- However, it IS nice to see Wootton at full health - he's already making some great stuffs!

- Count me among those who think we need a special teams coach WAAAAY more than a "superbacks" coach

- Count me among those who can live without ever seeing the rugby style punt today - ouch!

- To whoever had the bright idea to run Concannon to the outside - KEEP HIM IN BETWEEN THE TACKLES! ONLY! ALWAYS!

- McManis better wake up! The secondary has been saved a couple times from their weak coverage by errant throws

- Nice drive by Kafka to get field position back after the Illini missed that field goal

- Kafka still doesn't look very mobile :(

- The way the Illini O and Demos are going, I think I'd have preferred a punt to a 47-yard field goal attempt ... thankfully the D got the stop

- Channel surfing ... Purdue looks good, Indiana looks good, Michigan looks good ... in the words of that ESPN clip of Vince Lombardi, what the heck is going on here?!?!

- While we're at a channel break, big boos to ESPN for putting this on classic and making the DirecTV folk get the sports pack. Why not ESPNU?

- Kafka still looks sharp in passing at least

- Good to see Arby Fields back in using his quicks (to the outside!) - but HOLD ON TO THE BALL, ARBY!

- Mmmmm, Arbys.

- 3rd and long ... ugh ... what coulda been with a healthy Kafka later in the season. Again, why we have no sympathy for the bumblebees. WE could have started PSU's slide!

- ANOTHER 50-yard field goal attempt??? Another miss. SPECIAL TEAMS COACH NOW!!! Heck, a couple duck punts, er "rugby style kicks" could have had us pinning the punchless Illini deep twice and maybe getting a Wootton-caused turnover or McManic pick ... C'MON FITZ!!! That was not a smart call.

- In the battle of school commercials, NU wins. Was that Illini keyboard beat out of the early 80s?

- Channel surfing again - Go Dookies!!! Revenge of the Nerds, week 2? Also flipped to the Minnesota game and immediately turned away. U-G-L-Y.

- Of course, we can't talk the way things are going now ... crummy Illini chip shot and two ill-advised NU long shots. Gotta play it smarter, Fitz. Pin 'em deep! Instead the Illini have had great field position all friggin' day now. Including a gift-wrapped field goal attempt after the kick that gives "rugby style kicks" a bad name.

- End of the quarter mercifully ... 0-0, but the Illini just busted a run to get in scoring territory, ANOTHER REASON WHY NOT TO TRY A 50-YARD PIPE DREAM FIELD GOAL TO GIVE THEM EASY FIELD POSITION AGAIN!!!!

GRRRRR!!!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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GO CATS!!!


      

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 12:27:44 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 14 12:28:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Halftime in Champaign ...
Message-ID: <339022.21731.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Nice TD pass by Kafka to end the half and FINALLY get the lead ... imagine how much MORE we could have had if we made the Illini play on more than half a field and got a couple more turnovers.

Good to hear NUMB and see some purple there. We're dominating the game everywhere but the scoreboard because of poor play calling and special teams ... though the Illini are this/close from hitting Benn for a couple of those easy red zone chances we gave 'em.

Come out in the second half, play smart, make the Illini drive the FULL FIELD and we should be good.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Nov 14 12:56:36 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Nov 14 12:56:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] At the half
Message-ID: <23B374B6009045E0AEFBDA9A0B96860B@DennisMachine>

Yawn!  (Until the final minute)

The word is "tackle," not "tickle," defense.  Please remember that in the second half.  And offensive line: Your job is to block pass rushers, not caress them.

Some questionable offensive coaching calls:  1) Did they have to run Persa six times in a row?  Did they think Ill-noise wouldn't realize that would be the play on third down?  2) Not punting on that fourth down near mid-field.  That was disaster waiting to happen.  Under the heading it's-sometimes-better-to-be-lucky-than-good, Nate Williams saved the day, and the offense finally came to life.

The announcers are utterly unprepared for this game: mispronouncing several players' names and being unaware of Kafka's hamstring and Wooten's ankle injuries.  Ugly job of sportscasting.  At least we know one of them likes NASCAR.

I predict NU will take command in the second half.
From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 13:29:25 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 14 13:29:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Start of the 4th
Message-ID: <650759.3367.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

21-3 feels good. It should probably be 31-3 but I'll take it. 

If we play smart and hold the ball Pat's Cats get the Hat. 

Go Cats!
Jim


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 13:48:18 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 14 13:48:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th quarter thoughts ...
Message-ID: <215466.37399.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Nice work by NU to get that onside kick even though we didn't look ready for it.

Waaaay too much time left to get conservative.

I agree on these announcers - clueless morons who make the Big Ten Network's #3 and #4 team look amazing.

Thank goodness for that pass interference move by the Illini.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - I've wondered what the Zooker hype machine around Benn has been for years and if I'm an NFL scout, honestly, I'm not buying any of it -- this guy is either always playing injured or easily injured -- either way, a bad label for an NFL wideout.

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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 13:52:41 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 14 13:52:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Yup, we need a special teams coach ...
Message-ID: <271491.58093.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

What has a superbacks coach done for us???

This is why you don't try all those long FGs -- now Demos' confidence is shot.

Still a good call going for a 15-point lead instead of 4th and 1 (despite what the clueless NASCAR announcers say).

We should have put this game away ages ago - HOLD ON CATS!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Purdue/MSU is turning into a heck of a game!


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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 13:53:20 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 14 13:53:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th quarter thoughts ...
In-Reply-To: <215466.37399.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <215466.37399.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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The two most interesting things in the Big Ten today are the giant sandwich and whether or not South Dakota State can pull off the upset at Minnesota.

Go Cats!
Jim




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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 1:48:18 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th quarter thoughts ...

Nice work by NU to get that onside kick even though we didn't look ready for it.

Waaaay too much time left to get conservative.

I agree on these announcers - clueless morons who make the Big Ten Network's #3 and #4 team look amazing.

Thank goodness for that pass interference move by the Illini.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - I've wondered what the Zooker hype machine around Benn has been for years and if I'm an NFL scout, honestly, I'm not buying any of it -- this guy is either always playing injured or easily injured -- either way, a bad label for an NFL wideout.

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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 14:07:15 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 14 14:07:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] DEFENSE!!!!
Message-ID: <177172.7272.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Please! They have no time outs. Hold them!!!!


      

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 14:13:58 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 14 14:14:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bad call
Message-ID: <762184.70928.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I don't think that was an interception. Still, Cats Win!


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 14:14:42 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 14 14:14:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Whew!
Message-ID: <232783.65805.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Thank you D ... again!

Close call, but I don't think the Illini wideout ever brought the ball in  completely.

Land O' Lincoln trophy winners and, more importantly, SEVEN WINS!!!

How SWEET it is!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Nov 14 14:18:39 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Nov 14 14:19:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] GASP!!!!
References: <177172.7272.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <66B647E299FD46C7888B203454EBE407@DennisMachine>

CUT THAT OUT!  MY HEART CAN'T STAND IT!!!!!!

Nice win and nice to get a bowl bid.  The field goal was absolutely the 
right call, but the defense was WAAAAAAAY too soft afterward.

Was that an NU interception?  I think the Ill-Noise receiver did NOT have 
full possession of the ball when he rolled over on his back.  Ergo, the 
reception was still in doubt.  Had it fallen to the ground, they would not 
have ruled it a completion.

Now, badger the Badgers into a loss!  GO CATS!  Please give us some decent 
announcers for the game. 

From jason at jasonsinger.com  Sat Nov 14 14:19:38 2009
From: jason at jasonsinger.com (jason)
Date: Sat Nov 14 14:20:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bad call
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Nah. Ground popped the ball out. That makes it a live ball for the defender.
Gotta have control when you land. It was the right call...not that I thought
it would actually go our way.

Good win. Deserved to lose and still managed to win. Doesn't happen too often
for us.

On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:13:58 -0800 (PST), Jim Leonard wrote
> I don't think that was an interception. Still, Cats Win!
> 
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From jason at jasonsinger.com  Sat Nov 14 14:22:00 2009
From: jason at jasonsinger.com (jason)
Date: Sat Nov 14 14:22:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] GASP!!!!
In-Reply-To: <66B647E299FD46C7888B203454EBE407@DennisMachine>
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	<66B647E299FD46C7888B203454EBE407@DennisMachine>
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Really, can you believe those announcers? Literally SEVEN MINUTES on a
sandwich with a close game late in the fourth!

Of course the production team wasn't any better. Would like to have seen the
MacManis interference call replayed...even once! UGH!

 
> Now, badger the Badgers into a loss!  GO CATS!  Please give us some 
> decent announcers for the game.
> 

From johnl at mac.com  Sat Nov 14 14:29:21 2009
From: johnl at mac.com (Labbe John)
Date: Sat Nov 14 14:29:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bad call
In-Reply-To: <20091114201938.M78731@jasonsinger.com>
References: <762184.70928.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I agree it was the correct call.  There's no doubt in my mind that if  
that ball had hit the ground instead of ending up in our hands, it  
would have been ruled an incomplete pass.  As Jason says, the ball  
came loose as the receiver hit the ground and/or as the defender hit  
him.  True, the receiver had it for a split second, but then it came  
loose almost immediately.  Instead of hitting the ground, the ball  
ended up in our hands, resulting in an interception.


On Nov 14, 2009, at 2:19 PM, jason wrote:

> Nah. Ground popped the ball out. That makes it a live ball for the  
> defender.
> Gotta have control when you land. It was the right call...not that I  
> thought
> it would actually go our way.
>
> Good win. Deserved to lose and still managed to win. Doesn't happen  
> too often
> for us.
>
> On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 12:13:58 -0800 (PST), Jim Leonard wrote
>> I don't think that was an interception. Still, Cats Win!
>>
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 14:35:02 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Nov 14 14:35:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How sweet it is!!!!!
Message-ID: <708373917-1258230898-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1568208853-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Oh baby! OK so it was a little unnecessarily exciting BUT who cares? Wow!

I despise the Illini and their front-running hillbillyesque fans. 

Let us count the ways this rocks:

Assures NU of a true winning season!

Assures Illini of another losing season!

Firms up NU bowl bid while eliminating Illinois from bowl eligibility!!

Brings NU the Land of Lincoln Trophy!

Is sixth NU win over Illini in last seven!!

I am off to get my victory cigar!! 

LOVE YA 'CATS!!!!!

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 14:47:25 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 14 14:47:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Morning report ...
Message-ID: <984699.61284.qm@web52909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Whew ... the Cats can thank their D yet again for the win. Nice to win a close one again after a lot of earlier ones this year went against us ... still, we should have had this game put away by halftime. HIRE A SPECIAL TEAMS COACH ASAP!!! We obviously need that waaaay more than a superbacks coach.

But at the end of the day, we've beaten the Illini, gotten to seven wins and are heading into our third straight rivalry game next week on a roll and with a lot to play for.

What does it mean for the bowl picture? We'll know a bit more in the evening report. A close loss by Iowa could mean a second B(C)S bid (especially since the Gophers couldn't beat a team of bacon bits for Floyd of Rosedale next week) ... but a crushing defeat could mean just one B(C)S team since neither Penn State or Wisconsin have many quality wins behind those possible 10-2 marks and Iowa would be folding.

First though, around the league ...

* WISCONSIN looks like it will give our run D a big test next week as they come in on a roll with eyes on Orlando. But their D has some holes as well if we can exploit them. As for Michigan, after a 4-0 start, RichRod may now have to beat the Buckeyes to save his job and head to the Motor City Bowl. Ugh.

* PENN STATE finally woke up, but they haven't put together two quarters of good football in a long time.

* Your heart breaks for PURDUE at the end, but a nice win by MSU in West Lafayette. If they can catch PSU still sloppy next week and move up to seven wins, Sparty might be the best bet to pass us into the #5 spot in bowl pecking order.

* MINNESOTA got extremely lucky, but they are playing such poor football right now in their typical late slide, that I think they're the last pick no matter what.

As for the bowl picture ...

It's pretty clear now who's in and out ...

IN (with a projected bowl at this point)
- Ohio State (Rose vs. Oregon - unless Iowa pulls off a miracle)
- Wisconsin (Citrus vs. LSU - if they beat us, they're the hot team)
- Penn State (Outback vs. Tennessee - a bigger draw than Iowa)
- Iowa (Champs vs. Virginia Tech - heckuva mid-season game - great Ds)
- Michigan State (Alamo vs. Nebraska - could be a great D game also)*
- Northwestern (Insight vs. Texas Tech - we get bumped, but it's to AZ! I'd prefer a purple power game with K-State, but yaa for Phoenix!)
- Minnesota (Motor City vs. Central Michigan - lucky to scrape in)

* - If you can take a 6-6 team over a 7-5 team in-league, then Sparty bumps us win or lose next week based on a repeat visit to the Alamo and their name over ours

LIMBO
- Michigan (Must beat the Buckeyes - Motor City folks hoping so)

OUT
- Purdue
- Indiana
- Ill-noise

But we'll know a bit more tonight based on the games in Columbus and Fort Wuth. For now, always good to beat the Ill-whine-I (who have to be behind only Purdue and IU in silly hand gestures from fans) and get the Sweet Land of Sioux Lincoln tomahawk/stovepipe hat.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 14 14:48:01 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 14 14:48:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How sweet it is!!!!!
Message-ID: <cce.5d7caa4e.38307181@aol.com>

Another gutsy win by our beloved CATS!!! This game should never have been  
this close, I don't think Kafka was mobile, but I am pleased with the 
quickness  of our Persa Cat.  As the moronic announcers said "we were decisive in 
our  decision making."  I am hopeful for Florida, not making any travel 
plans  for New Year's eve unlike other years.
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 14:53:36 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 14 14:53:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bad call
In-Reply-To: <20091114201938.M78731@jasonsinger.com>
Message-ID: <166611.20091.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Nah. Ground popped the ball out. That
> makes it a live ball for the defender.

Exactly - you have to catch and bring it in/control it -- he never had the control part.

The call on the field helped a lot because they didn't say that replay confirmed anything, just that the call stood.

Still, 30 seconds and 70 yards with no TOs would have been tough had they got it.

Phoenix, here we come!!! I'll start lobbying for an all purple New Year's Eve in Tempe with K-State and NU in a "War o' the Wildcats" game!

Keeping fingers crossed, but unless we get two B(C)S teams, we won't crack the top four so it's us and Sparty for the Alamo and they don't want a repeat. And K-State has a good history here from the Fiesta Bowl days. New Year's Eve on Mill Avenue and Tempe Town Lake with a BOWL VICTORY ... I can dream, can't I?:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Nov 14 15:06:36 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Nov 14 15:06:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] They don't make it easy, do they?
Message-ID: <200911142106.nAEL6aSW012892@romaine.tssi.com>

Another close game, far closer than it needed to be.  Given all the
reversals I've seen by the replay booth in the last few weeks, several
of which seemed INDISPUTABLY BAD, I was on the edge of my seat--again.
(But I think the call on the field was correct.)  

Wisky put their game away in the 2nd half, something the Cats need to learn
how to do (NU SHOULD have won this game by at least 20), but Purdue 
couldn't hold on to a lead against Sparty.  

So, Purdue, Indiana and Illinois are not going bowling, and Michigan's 
bowl o chances look really iffy, especially since OSU has owned them 
lately.  But everyone else is bowl eligible and jockeying for position.

So that 7th win was really important.  Hopefully today's win will keep us 
out of Detroit as well.  But it'd be a nice capper to the regular season 
to win at home against the Badgers.

I know that was the 'C' team for ESPN (at best), but that was embarassing!  
I really missed the yellow first down marker on screen.  
--
Mike Nolan

From DPENDERG at aol.com  Sat Nov 14 15:06:45 2009
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 14 15:07:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How sweet it is!!!!!
Message-ID: <d4e.60eb503b.383075e5@aol.com>

 
We all enjoy the W, but Cats will have to play much better to beat the  
Badgers next Saturday.  They are substantially a better opponent than the  
hapless Illini.   Wisconsin has the best rushing offense in the Big  Ten and our 
front seven must step up and use the shoulders not the arms to stop  Clay 
and Company. 
 
 I hope that the Cats have used up their quota of mistakes -- notably  FG 
kicking and haphazard secondary coverage -- and be ready for another big-time 
 W.  Finishing with a W and an 8-4 record will put us in a high-profile 
bowl  that will make a powerful statement to the entire country.
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/14/2009 3:49:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
MHRJGScott@aol.com writes:

Another  gutsy win by our beloved CATS!!! This game should never have been  
 
this close, I don't think Kafka was mobile, but I am pleased with the  
quickness  of our Persa Cat.  As the moronic announcers said "we  were 
decisive in 
our  decision making."  I am hopeful for  Florida, not making any travel 
plans  for New Year's eve unlike other  years.
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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Sat Nov 14 15:19:34 2009
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Sat Nov 14 15:21:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How sweet it is!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <d4e.60eb503b.383075e5@aol.com>
References: <d4e.60eb503b.383075e5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4AFF1EE6.9010002@mindspring.com>

DPENDERG@aol.com wrote:
>  
> We all enjoy the W, but Cats will have to play much better to beat the  
> Badgers next Saturday.  They are substantially a better opponent than the  
> hapless Illini.   Wisconsin has the best rushing offense in the Big  Ten and our 
> front seven must step up and use the shoulders not the arms to stop  Clay 
> and Company. 
>  
>  I hope that the Cats have used up their quota of mistakes -- notably  FG 
> kicking and haphazard secondary coverage -- and be ready for another big-time 
>  W.  Finishing with a W and an 8-4 record will put us in a high-profile 
> bowl  that will make a powerful statement to the entire country.
>   

Hopefully next week Kafka will be able to run or Persa will be able to 
pass.  They were both hobbled today.

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 16:15:58 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 14 16:16:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 teams
Message-ID: <428954.28505.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I think today's victory virtually guarantees that we won't have to go to Detroit. As I understand it, all teams with winning records have to be placed before a 6-6 team can get a bid (though this may change next year). 

I am certain that tOSU will beat Michigan (but it won't affect us either way), which will leave us with 7 eligible teams and 7 bowls. The only way we'd go to Detroit is if we had no 6-6 teams which means that Minnesota would have to beat Iowa AND MSU would have to beat Penn State. I expect that Penn State will beat the Spartans and the Motor Cheese Bowl will get 35,000 tickets but only 16 hotel rooms. 

I must congratulate Fitz. Easy opponents and ugly wins aside, back-to-back bowls at Northwestern is a coaching accomplishment. 

Victory & Honor,
Jim


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 16:37:30 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 14 16:37:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The war for the roses ...
Message-ID: <294816.32189.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Kirk Ferentz is a heck of a coach.

Two great drives to start the second half for Iowa (one blown by a missed FG, the other a bullet TD strike) and the Hawkeyes and Buckeyes are knotted up at 10-10.

I must say I never expected this to be a great game, but it is so far.

Maybe we'll get two B(C)S teams after all.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 17:22:22 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 14 17:22:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The bully has been beaten up ...
Message-ID: <216361.35365.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Teams across the nation may still fear SC, but Pac 10 teams obviously do not anymore.

Once Oregon came along and popped SC in the mouth, the SC aura (at least temporarily) was gone. Washington was the usual hiccup and they had an old coach, but Oregon's destruction opened the floodgates.

ASU outplayed the Trojans and narrowly lost last week.

Stanford is just KILLING them this week. The cardinal and gold are getting BOOED off the field at the Coliseum!

Always fun to see NU win, Ill-noise suffer and now watch SC lose. Maybe tonight we'll get the schadenfraude trifecta when Charlie Weis lays his job on the line against the Waanstache (though I think Pitt's heavily overrated and ready for a fall).

HOWEVER (to relate this to the list), this is good news for the Big Ten (along with Iowa's gutsy performance in the Shoe).

If SC loses, they won't get a B(C)S at-large bid, and Stanford -- while a great story -- ain't gonna bring fans either. Arizona could be an attractive pick for the Fiesta, but the Cats have Oregon and SC both left on the schedule.

So no Pac 10 at-large team, the SEC out of options, the Big XII in shambles and the Big Least/ACC as one-bid leagues is good news for the Big Ten.

... and for Boise State.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Iowa just engineered a masterful drive following their kickoff return to turn a two-score deficit in the fourth into a 24-24 tie. WOW! This is an amazing game in Columbus.

PPS - A bit sad to see my dreams of New Year's Eve in the Valley gone, but good for NU in the long run to move up bowls.

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 17:31:39 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 14 17:31:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] More schadenfraude ...
Message-ID: <580194.59030.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

First USC being booed off the field of their stadium ... now Buckeye fans booing and shaking their heads in disbelief as they let a 24-10 lead in the fourth slip away against an ubergreen quarterback as the Big Ten championship game heads into overtime.

Some fantastic football. I'm not a Hawkeye fan by any means, but Kirk Ferentz gets my vote for coach of the year.

Overtime for the Big Ten title in the Shoe - what a game!

It would be nice to say we beat the Big Ten champs at their place.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 18:00:54 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 14 18:01:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bad day for the B(C)S ...
Message-ID: <90581.54320.qm@web52909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

While Iowa probably played their way into the Fiesta Bowl today, the overall result is a bad day for the B(C)S ...

* USC, the best Pac 10 at-large candidate in years got crushed by Stanford
* Miami, who while not big on fans would bring a name, lost at UNC
* And unfortunately for them, they cannot take a third SEC or Big Ten team to fill seats and get ratings

So filling in the blanks after the auto-bids are in and the Sugar takes Bama and the Fiesta snaps up Iowa with their compensatory pick ...

Title: Florida vs. Texas
Rose: Ohio State vs. Oregon
Sugar: Alabama vs. ???
Fiesta: Iowa vs. ???
Orange: Georgia Tech vs. ???

This leaves them with few options ...

- The Orange picks first and could take the Big East "title game" loser, Cincy/Pitt, knowing that they bring few fans or ratings and that Cincy was there last year ...
- Or they could pray that Arizona somehow loses close to Oregon and crushes SC so the Fiesta takes them and Iowa is left ...
- Maybe pull some shenanigans to get Okie State eligible?
- Hope for upsets of heavily favored GaTech or Texas in their title games

Or eat the tickets and give both Boise and TCU at-large bids.

Aaaaaah, the schadenfraude continues!:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Nov 14 20:30:42 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Nov 14 20:31:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Numbers fun
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFD5@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Wildcats are 7-4, 4-3. 

USC is 7-3, 4-3. 


From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Nov 14 20:57:58 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Nov 14 20:58:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Two of today's games
References: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFD5@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
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Pity the poor bumblebees.  I was rooting for them.  And I dream of a time in 
the not-too-distant future when a group of purple-clad lads run onto the 
field in Columbus and leave three hours later with 85 red scalps on their 
belts and leaving behind a humbled home crowd.

I watched much of the Stanford-USC game and was highly impressed by The 
Cardinal.  USC played badly, but Stanford's offensive line dominated 
throughout, their quarterback had a lot more than Luck going for him, and 
their running back Gerhart is a real throwback thumper.  I wouldn't want to 
play them in a bowl. 

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 14 22:31:33 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 14 22:31:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Evening report ...
Message-ID: <891490.39964.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Heck of a day in Big Ten land and across the nation. A fantastic game in Columbus, a beautiful beatdown of SC and, of course, a Wildcat Win over the hated Illini.

The nightcap wasn't quite the shootout I expected, but the Irish made it a decent game at the end. The Wannstache is still overrated, but it should be a great game with Pitt and Cincy in a few weeks. As for ND, I wouldn't be feeling very good if I were Charlie Weis right now and the team that just hung 100 points on Oregon and SC was left on my schedule.

College football is a fantastic game and thrilling every week - don't fall for the line that it is this way BECAUSE of the B(C)S ... it was this way before the B(C)S and will be this way after the B(C)S - college football is this way IN SPITE of the B(C)S. 

The college football season is like having the greatest effin' rock concert around, and then bringing in some lizard lounge band as the closing act. Yeah, it's a bummer of an ending, but it doesn't diminish the fantastic year. So enjoy these weekends while they last, my friends, because I think I hear Milli Vanilli warming up backstage.

Speaking of the B(C)S, the latest bowl outlook ...

TITLE: Florida vs. Texas
- It's all but assured at this point unless Bama surprises the Gators

ROSE: Ohio State vs. Oregon
- Should be a great battle of offense vs. defense in Pasadena

FIESTA: Iowa vs. Boise State
- The Hawkeyes come west to fill seats while Cinderella awaits

SUGAR: Alabama vs. Cincinnati
- Will the Tide show up this year or let another spread kill 'em?

ORANGE: Georgia Tech vs. TCU
- Two well-coached teams, too bad nobody will be there to see it

CITRUS: Wisconsin vs. LSU
- Bucky is surging, the Lions are limping so they get Orlando

HALL OF FAME: Penn State vs. Tennessee
- JoePa gets another chance to beat up on the SEC in a bowl

CHAMPS: Michigan State vs. Virginia Tech
- Sparty jumps us, but gets matched up with angry Hokies - ouch!

ALAMO: Northwestern vs. Oklahoma State
- If OU beats Okie State at Bedlam, the Sooner and Husker following means the Cowpokes slip here, which could be bad news for us

INSIGHT: Minnesota vs. Missouri
- Though I'm hoping the Insight and Alamo work out a deal to avoid repeat visits by Minny and NU so we get to head to Phoenix -- and get a better matchup than the Sooners/Huskers/Cowpokes in the Alamo ... or playing BeamerBall with our special team woes.

Still a ways to go, but always fun to speculate with us in the picture now. Beating Wisconsin would sure help next week, because I have a feeling that Sparty might pull off the upset next week (if Michigan had half a defense or Minny half an offense, I might like them as well).

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 09:38:13 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov 15 09:38:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 6-6 teams
In-Reply-To: <428954.28505.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <428954.28505.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Jim,

I'll post more on the bowl picture before too long over at HailToPurple, but
the rule is that bowls can only select 6-6 teams if there are
conference-affiliated bowls slots left for any remaining 7-5 teams.  So,
theoretically, NU could be passed over for 6-6 teams, although I doubt bowls
would actually pull something like that.  Note that last year the Alamo Bowl
could have selected Wisconsin over NU (the 1-game maximum jump rule only
applies for the Capital One and Outback Bowls), but they weren't even in the
running.

We'll have to see what the bowl committees decide because NU could
realistically end up anywhere from the Champs Sports down to the Insight and
theoretically even Detroit.  A lot depends on the BCS at-large scenario, but
with Miami (FL) and USC losing, that definitely opens the door to Iowa
and/or Penn State (depending on how far Iowa falls today and if they can
both take care of business next week).

Jonathan

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
>
> I think today's victory virtually guarantees that we won't have to go to
> Detroit. As I understand it, all teams with winning records have to be
> placed before a 6-6 team can get a bid (though this may change next year).
>
> I am certain that tOSU will beat Michigan (but it won't affect us either
> way), which will leave us with 7 eligible teams and 7 bowls. The only way
> we'd go to Detroit is if we had no 6-6 teams which means that Minnesota
> would have to beat Iowa AND MSU would have to beat Penn State. I expect that
> Penn State will beat the Spartans and the Motor Cheese Bowl will get 35,000
> tickets but only 16 hotel rooms.
>
> I must congratulate Fitz. Easy opponents and ugly wins aside, back-to-back
> bowls at Northwestern is a coaching accomplishment.
>
> Victory & Honor,
> Jim
>
>
>
>
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov 15 09:40:10 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov 15 09:41:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bad day for the B(C)S ...
In-Reply-To: <90581.54320.qm@web52909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <90581.54320.qm@web52909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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We'll see where Penn State and Iowa end up in today's BCS rankings but I
would imagine they'll both be on the cusp of BCS at-large eligibility (if
not in the top 14 already) and as long as they take care of business next
week one of them will be going to a big money bowl.

Jonathan

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:00 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> While Iowa probably played their way into the Fiesta Bowl today, the
> overall result is a bad day for the B(C)S ...
>
> * USC, the best Pac 10 at-large candidate in years got crushed by Stanford
> * Miami, who while not big on fans would bring a name, lost at UNC
> * And unfortunately for them, they cannot take a third SEC or Big Ten team
> to fill seats and get ratings
>
> So filling in the blanks after the auto-bids are in and the Sugar takes
> Bama and the Fiesta snaps up Iowa with their compensatory pick ...
>
> Title: Florida vs. Texas
> Rose: Ohio State vs. Oregon
> Sugar: Alabama vs. ???
> Fiesta: Iowa vs. ???
> Orange: Georgia Tech vs. ???
>
> This leaves them with few options ...
>
> - The Orange picks first and could take the Big East "title game" loser,
> Cincy/Pitt, knowing that they bring few fans or ratings and that Cincy was
> there last year ...
> - Or they could pray that Arizona somehow loses close to Oregon and crushes
> SC so the Fiesta takes them and Iowa is left ...
> - Maybe pull some shenanigans to get Okie State eligible?
> - Hope for upsets of heavily favored GaTech or Texas in their title games
>
> Or eat the tickets and give both Boise and TCU at-large bids.
>
> Aaaaaah, the schadenfraude continues!:)
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 15 12:27:53 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 15 12:28:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl talk ...
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270911150740j717de37bxa2524f9a2932b6ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <956815.85364.qm@web52901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> We'll see where Penn State and Iowa end
> up in today's BCS rankings but I would imagine
> they'll both be on the cusp of BCS at-large eligibility

Oh, I think Iowa's a done deal now. They were already good in the computers and they shouldn't drop far in the polls since they played a heck of a game in Columbus and so many teams below them lost (including AZ last night as well). Also, having Stanzi back for the bowl would boost their draw.

Since they beat PSU, the Nits are playing so sloppy lately (and the Big Ten can't send three), I think the Hawkeyes are in and PSU's playing for Orlando along with Bucky next weekend (though NU and MSU won't be easy wins for either).

The bottom end of the league should be just as interesting. I wouldn't put it past MSU to beat slumping PSU next week at home, but even if they don't, both 6-6 Sparty and 6-6 Minny beat 7-5 NU, so it would not surprise me if we were jumped by one or both. We had a better argument last year with Iowa and were still jumped. MSU jumps us because of "name" and fans. As for Minny, they may jump us only because the Alamo and Insight would have repeat visitors otherwise.

And this year, the bump may not be a bad thing -- last year it was a New Year's Day bowl with big exposure vs. the Alamo (plus a lesser opponent_ and we lost out. This year, the Champs/Alamo/Insight are all on pretty equal footing and all are popular vacation destinations. The Motor City would be a big drop, but if we get two in the B(C)S, we won't have to worry about that.

So the big difference is opponents. Orlando brings Miami/VaTech/Clemson, San Antonio brings Nebraska/Oklahoma/OK State where Phoenix is likely to be Texas Tech, Missouri or K-State. Obviously I'm biased because I could go to the Insight Bowl, but I like the matchup better and I don't think we lose out on prestige with the bump like last year.

Of course, winning next week puts us in a tie for fourth with the Badgers and possible a tie for third with PSU. We'd likely lose out on the New Year's bowls to them, but it'd be nice to be third ... and especially nice to finish the year with three big wins over our three most hated rivals!

GO CATS!!!
BEAT THE BADGERS!!!
-SjT


      

From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov 15 14:46:56 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 15 14:47:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 
	Recognitionhttp://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/coaches
Message-ID: <8CC344BE79D44D8-4D28-BF32@webmail-m042.sysops.aol.com>

We did it, gang.  NU made it into the "Others Receiving Votes" in the most recent Coaches Poll:  http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/polls/coaches

Paul Levinson
From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 15 18:09:56 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Nov 15 18:09:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Shut up Ron!
Message-ID: <425506896-1258330190-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1303449578-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

He is STILL whining about McManis' interception!

Even if the play was not a pick (and it was reviewed) the Whining Illini still had to go 65 yards in 32 seconds without timeouts. Likelihood of that? About the same as a Zook/Charlie Weis tie atop the Coach of the Year balloting. 

Nothing gives me more pleasure than NU beating these turkeys. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Nov 16 06:53:47 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Nov 16 06:55:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Coble & Ryan appear done for season
In-Reply-To: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A6501141CC6EC@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <20091112.102920.12004.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com>
	<1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A6501141CC6EC@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A6501141CC800@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>


 http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/ncb/news/story?id=4658281

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Nov 16 09:39:42 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Nov 16 09:41:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Michael Knisley, Medill alum, runs new page
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ESPN.COM LAUNCHING NEW WEB PAGE FOR MORE SERIOUS COMMENTARY

By Eric Fisher, Staff Writer, SportsBusiness Journal

ESPN.com today is launching a new commentary page on the site that will include a variety of op-ed pieces from both staff and outside submissions, as well as serving as the regular home for ESPN Ombudsman Don Ohlmeyer's columns. The page, to be overseen by Senior Deputy Editor Michael Knisley, will feature the work of ESPN writers Howard Bryant, Gene Wojciechowski and LZ Granderson, among others. The page, serving as the area for the outlet's more serious commentary, will also include a heavy use of multimedia components such as video segments and podcasts.

"We're definitely looking to get at the complexity of the sports world and provide perspective and context, do so with many different voices, and really stretch the definition of what the op-ed is," said ESPN.com VP & Editor-in-Chief Rob King. The move comes as ESPN.com and other established sports sites face increased competition from more political outposts such as The Huffington Post and Politico, which have increased their attention to sports. King said those sites did not factor in the creation of the ESPN commentary page, and that its effort had been in development for many months.

ESPN.com additionally has launched a redesigned Page 2 that includes a blog-style format that in part is designed to promote more repeat visits from users each day.

From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Nov 16 15:25:37 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 16 15:26:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats
Message-ID: <8CC351A7929BE91-1220-A54F@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com>


Saw a statistic in the News-Gazette that looked interesting:

http://www.illinihq.com/news/football/2009/11/14/rossows_big_ten_report_hail_jim_tressel

specifically:

"NERVES, Northwestern. Wildcats improved to 23-6 in games decided by seven points or less since 2000."

Are we in more games decided by seven or less ?  Or do we just do better in those games ?

So I rounded up some history

                               games      % of all 
Coach       games     within 7     games     win    loss   tie   win %
Hanley         66           23             35%      10       9      4     43%
Waldorf       101          44             44%      15      22     7     34 %
Voigts          73          31             43%       13     17     1      42%
Saban           9            2              22%        0        1     1       0%
Ara              72          31              43%       13      17    1      42%
Agase          91          27              30%       12      14     1     44%
Pont            55          17              31%        7       10            41%
Venturi         33           4              12%          1       2      1    25%
Green          55            9              16%         6       3            67%
Peay           66           19              29%        6      11      2    32%
Barnett        81            32             40%        16    15      1    50%
Walker        83            30             36%        20     10            67%
Fitz             48            18             38%        13      5            72%

So we seem to have about as many tight games as before (except Saban and Pont/Venturi/Green, when there were too many blowouts).  But our last three coaches have been outstanding at winning those games.

To correct the stat, it looks like we were 22-7 in those games since 2004, this win brought us to 23-7(77%).  Equally impressive is that we are currently 33-15 (69%) in those games since 1999 (Randy Walker's first year)

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov 16 15:31:02 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov 16 15:31:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats
In-Reply-To: <8CC351A7929BE91-1220-A54F@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC351A7929BE91-1220-A54F@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270911161331neac9d3eq7a7f7ea59ddffdac@mail.gmail.com>

Great research and great evidence to back up the fact that the 'Cats have
raised their profile recently thanks to winning basically 3/4 of the close
games, compared to under 50% in the past (even under Ara).

Jonathan

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 3:25 PM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:

>
> Saw a statistic in the News-Gazette that looked interesting:
>
>
> http://www.illinihq.com/news/football/2009/11/14/rossows_big_ten_report_hail_jim_tressel
>
> specifically:
>
> "NERVES, Northwestern. Wildcats improved to 23-6 in games decided by seven
> points or less since 2000."
>
> Are we in more games decided by seven or less ?  Or do we just do better in
> those games ?
>
> So I rounded up some history
>
>                               games      % of all
> Coach       games     within 7     games     win    loss   tie   win %
> Hanley         66           23             35%      10       9      4
> 43%
> Waldorf       101          44             44%      15      22     7     34
> %
> Voigts          73          31             43%       13     17     1
>  42%
> Saban           9            2              22%        0        1     1
>   0%
> Ara              72          31              43%       13      17    1
>  42%
> Agase          91          27              30%       12      14     1
> 44%
> Pont            55          17              31%        7       10
>  41%
> Venturi         33           4              12%          1       2      1
>  25%
> Green          55            9              16%         6       3
>  67%
> Peay           66           19              29%        6      11      2
>  32%
> Barnett        81            32             40%        16    15      1
>  50%
> Walker        83            30             36%        20     10
>  67%
> Fitz             48            18             38%        13      5
>    72%
>
> So we seem to have about as many tight games as before (except Saban and
> Pont/Venturi/Green, when there were too many blowouts).  But our last three
> coaches have been outstanding at winning those games.
>
> To correct the stat, it looks like we were 22-7 in those games since 2004,
> this win brought us to 23-7(77%).  Equally impressive is that we are
> currently 33-15 (69%) in those games since 1999 (Randy Walker's first year)
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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>
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 16 20:34:31 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov 16 20:34:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats
In-Reply-To: <8CC351A7929BE91-1220-A54F@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <668881.8914.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Cool info. Another fun stat from that article ...

Coach Tressel is now 4-1 in overtime games.

We all know who that one loss was to. :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


--- On Mon, 11/16/09, cherron604@aol.com <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:

> From: cherron604@aol.com <cherron604@aol.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Monday, November 16, 2009, 2:25 PM
> 
> Saw a statistic in the News-Gazette that looked
> interesting:
> 
> http://www.illinihq.com/news/football/2009/11/14/rossows_big_ten_report_hail_jim_tressel
> 
> specifically:
> 
> "NERVES, Northwestern. Wildcats improved to 23-6 in games
> decided by seven points or less since 2000."
> 
> Are we in more games decided by seven or less ?? Or do
> we just do better in those games ?
> 
> So I rounded up some history
> 
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ???games? ? ? % of all 
> Coach? ? ???games?
> ???within 7?
> ???games? ???win?
> ? loss???tie???win %
> Hanley? ? ? ???66?
> ? ? ? ???23? ?
> ? ? ? ???35%? ?
> ? 10? ? ???9? ?
> ? 4? ???43%
> Waldorf? ? ???101? ?
> ? ? ? 44? ? ? ? ?
> ???44%? ? ? 15? ?
> ? 22? ???7?
> ???34 %
> Voigts? ? ? ? ? 73? ?
> ? ? ? 31? ? ? ? ?
> ???43%? ?
> ???13? ???17?
> ???1? ? ? 42%
> Saban? ? ? ? ???9?
> ? ? ? ? ? 2? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? 22%? ? ? ?
> 0? ? ? ? 1?
> ???1? ? ???0%
> Ara? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> 72? ? ? ? ? 31? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? 43%? ?
> ???13? ? ? 17? ?
> 1? ? ? 42%
> Agase? ? ? ? ? 91? ?
> ? ? ? 27? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? 30%? ? ???12?
> ? ? 14? ???1?
> ???44%
> Pont? ? ? ? ? ? 55?
> ? ? ? ? 17? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? 31%? ? ? ? 7?
> ? ???10? ? ? ?
> ? ? 41%
> Venturi? ? ? ???33?
> ? ? ? ???4? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? 12%? ? ? ?
> ? 1? ? ???2? ?
> ? 1? ? 25%
> Green? ? ? ? ? 55? ?
> ? ? ? ? 9? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? 16%? ? ?
> ???6? ? ???3?
> ? ? ? ? ? 67%
> Peay? ? ? ? ???66?
> ? ? ? ???19? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? 29%? ? ?
> ? 6? ? ? 11? ? ? 2?
> ? 32%
> Barnett? ? ? ? 81? ? ?
> ? ? ? 32? ? ? ? ?
> ???40%? ? ? ? 16?
> ? 15? ? ? 1? ? 50%
> Walker? ? ? ? 83? ? ?
> ? ? ? 30? ? ? ? ?
> ???36%? ? ? ? 20?
> ???10? ? ? ? ?
> ? 67%
> Fitz? ? ? ? ?
> ???48? ? ? ? ?
> ? 18? ? ? ? ?
> ???38%? ? ? ? 13?
> ? ? 5? ? ? ? ? ?
> 72%
> 
> So we seem to have about as many tight games as before
> (except Saban and Pont/Venturi/Green, when there were too
> many blowouts).? But our last three coaches have been
> outstanding at winning those games.
> 
> To correct the stat, it looks like we were 22-7 in those
> games since 2004, this win brought us to 23-7(77%).?
> Equally impressive is that we are currently 33-15 (69%) in
> those games since 1999 (Randy Walker's first year)
> 
> Chuck Herron???Tech '85
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 


      

From tmcadams at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 17 07:00:10 2009
From: tmcadams at yahoo.com (Trey McAdams)
Date: Tue Nov 17 07:00:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats
Message-ID: <8737.52317.qm@web52206.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

As with many stats, this one is somewhat misleading. I would like to see our overall record in games that were within 7 point during the 4th quarter. That stat would be a better indicator of close game performance. Take our penn state game this year. It was tied to start the 4th and did not exactly end that way. 

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On Nov 16, 2009, at 4:25 PM, cherron604@aol.com wrote:


Saw a statistic in the News-Gazette that looked interesting:

http://www.illinihq.com/news/football/2009/11/14/rossows_big_ten_report_hail_jim_tressel

specifically:

"NERVES, Northwestern. Wildcats improved to 23-6 in games decided by seven points or less since 2000."

Are we in more games decided by seven or less ?  Or do we just do better in those games ?

So I rounded up some history

                              games      % of all 
Coach       games     within 7     games     win    loss   tie   win %
Hanley         66           23             35%      10       9      4     43%
Waldorf       101          44             44%      15      22     7     34 %
Voigts          73          31             43%       13     17     1      42%
Saban           9            2              22%        0        1     1       0%
Ara              72          31              43%       13      17    1      42%
Agase          91          27              30%       12      14     1     44%
Pont            55          17              31%        7       10            41%
Venturi         33           4              12%          1       2      1    25%
Green          55            9              16%         6       3            67%
Peay           66           19              29%        6      11      2    32%
Barnett        81            32             40%        16    15      1    50%
Walker        83            30             36%        20     10            67%
Fitz             48            18             38%        13      5            72%

So we seem to have about as many tight games as before (except Saban and Pont/Venturi/Green, when there were too many blowouts).  But our last three coaches have been outstanding at winning those games.

To correct the stat, it looks like we were 22-7 in those games since 2004, this win brought us to 23-7(77%).  Equally impressive is that we are currently 33-15 (69%) in those games since 1999 (Randy Walker's first year)

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 10:43:10 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Nov 17 10:44:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] There's now actually a real person leading the BCS
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270911170843y144167canc566424b2b70a5dc@mail.gmail.com>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091117/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_bcs_coordinator

Prior to the announcement of a full-time BCS Executive Director, the title
of BCS coordinator rotated amongst the participating conference
commissioners every 2 years and wasn't really a formal position.  With a
formal anti-BCS lobby now formed in Washington, this position was needed to
defend the association/contract/whatever you want to call it.

But, fans now have a place to direct their anger.  Stephen and others, have
at it.

Jonathan
From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 17 12:09:45 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Nov 17 12:10:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] So since basketball season is already over ...
Message-ID: <1152343463-1258481378-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-388658976-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Anyone for women's lacrosse talk? 

It seems like every season where NU hoops might break through an injury, a transfer, or some oddity strikes to make sure the Wildcats stay in the 11-15 win range. 

I was devastated by Coble's injury but not surprised -- with the 'Cat cagers it is always something. 

Over/under on Big Ten wins? 8 at most? 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Nov 17 12:47:29 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 17 12:48:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Line on Saturday's Game
Message-ID: <d61.5da2113c.383449c1@aol.com>

NU is starting to gain some respect with the Bookies.  The line on  
Saturday's game (from today's NY DAILY NEWS)  is Wisky favored by 7 1/2,  while the 
NY POST has us as  6 1/2 point 'dogs.  That's a pretty tight  spread, 
considering how well Badgers have been playing.
 
By the way, NEWS has tOSU as a 12 1/2 point fave over Wolverines, while  
POST has line at 12.
 
Paul Levinson
 
 
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 17 13:52:57 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Nov 17 13:53:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Someone at ESPN is noticing us ...
In-Reply-To: <d61.5da2113c.383449c1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <679756.99818.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Just cycled through their SportsNation polls over lunch and found we were included in two ...

- What coach would you most want your big-name program to go after (Fitz is in with Harbaugh, TCU, Cincy and Boise -- and thankfully for us a distant fifth :) )

- What is the biggest college football game of the weekend (Michigan-OSU is obviously leading, but NU-Wisky is on their list!)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


--- On Tue, 11/17/09, NEONRye@aol.com <NEONRye@aol.com> wrote:

> From: NEONRye@aol.com <NEONRye@aol.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Line on Saturday's Game
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 11:47 AM
> NU is starting to gain some respect
> with the Bookies.? The line on? 
> Saturday's game (from today's NY DAILY NEWS)? is Wisky
> favored by 7 1/2,? while the 
> NY POST has us as? 6 1/2 point 'dogs.? That's a
> pretty tight? spread, 
> considering how well Badgers have been playing.
>  
> By the way, NEWS has tOSU as a 12 1/2 point fave over
> Wolverines, while? 
> POST has line at 12.
>  
> Paul Levinson
>  
>  
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Nov 17 14:28:09 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 17 14:28:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Alcohol
Message-ID: <8CC35DB9CC6A1B2-2A7C-1578@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com>


Lots of talk this afternoon on Minnesota sports-talk KFAN, a lot of it seemingly based on this from WCCO:

http://wcco.com/sports/alcohol.suites.gophers.2.1311465.html

Most callers seemed horrified that they couldn't drink at TCF Bank stadium, the Williams Arena or the ice hockey venue.  It sounded like liquor had been available to club and premium level fans at these other two venues.  It was going to be available for club and premium football as well, but was banned instead at all 3.  Some questions:

- Do we serve alcohol at any of the premium seating at Dyche ?

- I always thought Big Ten rules prohibited alcohol at on-campus venues.  Is that still true ?

- I can't remember alcohol sales at any of our opponents stadiums (on campus).  Beer was always availiable at the Metrodome, as I recall.  The only campus stadium I remember with beer was the stadium at Cincinnati (Nippert ?). 

- I know that even if the Big Ten allowed it, Evanston never would.  So what led Minnesota to think they could serve alcohol ?

- And is Lou Nanne implying that you can't do client business without alcohol ?  And if so, isn't that more of an indictment of his business skills ?

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 14:43:34 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Nov 17 14:44:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Alcohol
In-Reply-To: <8CC35DB9CC6A1B2-2A7C-1578@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC35DB9CC6A1B2-2A7C-1578@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270911171243ue9ffeefna7a7a813427a2150@mail.gmail.com>

This issue came up during the summer when Minnesota made the decision.

There is a Big Ten rule that prohibits selling alcohol in on-campus
stadiums.  When Minnesota was in the Metrodome, they could obviously avoid
that rule.

Note that other conferences and bowl games vary in terms of alcohol
policies.  One interesting story is that Memphis, who play in the off-campus
Liberty Bowl Stadium, normally prohibit alcohol sales during games, but
allowed it for their first game of the year against SEC member Mississippi,
and consequently racked up a ton of additional revenue from alcohol sales.

Back to the Big Ten, I believe some stadiums offer complimentary alcohol in
some luxury boxes (since the tenants have already forked over a ton of cash)
in order to get around the rule.  I can't remember exactly where I read that
and I also don't remember exactly which schools do that.  I vaguely recall
that Michigan may be one of them with their newly opened luxury boxes this
season.

On an associated note, here's a recent ESPN article on rowdy fan behavior
and how some schools have responded:
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=4603176
Also, earlier this year, the Iowa AD wrote an open letter to all fans trying
to get better fan behavior after he ran into some trouble during tailgating.

It's interesting to see how much rowdier fans are at all sporting events now
than even a decade or so ago and the difference is even larger when one
looks back further.  And now tailgating and alcohol are directly linked with
such events, particularly college football.  For the vast majority of fans,
it's not an issue, but there are always people who can't handle themselves
and that has led to more and more incidents.  (Remember those Iowa fans who
committed adultery in a men's bathroom last year in the Metrodome?)

Jonathan

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:28 PM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:

>
> Lots of talk this afternoon on Minnesota sports-talk KFAN, a lot of it
> seemingly based on this from WCCO:
>
> http://wcco.com/sports/alcohol.suites.gophers.2.1311465.html
>
> Most callers seemed horrified that they couldn't drink at TCF Bank stadium,
> the Williams Arena or the ice hockey venue.  It sounded like liquor had been
> available to club and premium level fans at these other two venues.  It was
> going to be available for club and premium football as well, but was banned
> instead at all 3.  Some questions:
>
> - Do we serve alcohol at any of the premium seating at Dyche ?
>
> - I always thought Big Ten rules prohibited alcohol at on-campus venues.
>  Is that still true ?
>
> - I can't remember alcohol sales at any of our opponents stadiums (on
> campus).  Beer was always availiable at the Metrodome, as I recall.  The
> only campus stadium I remember with beer was the stadium at Cincinnati
> (Nippert ?).
>
> - I know that even if the Big Ten allowed it, Evanston never would.  So
> what led Minnesota to think they could serve alcohol ?
>
> - And is Lou Nanne implying that you can't do client business without
> alcohol ?  And if so, isn't that more of an indictment of his business
> skills ?
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 15:41:25 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Tue Nov 17 15:41:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] So since basketball season is already over ...
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Although I'm not totally prepared to write this season off, if you want to
comfort yourself, think about next season with Coble back, the freshmen
having a season of experience, most of the rest of the team back, and, all
signs point to his best recruiting class ever.  Of course, we can't count of
the recruits until they actually show up in Evanston.
Mark

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On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 1:09 PM, <bwdolphin146@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Anyone for women's lacrosse talk?
>
> It seems like every season where NU hoops might break through an injury, a
> transfer, or some oddity strikes to make sure the Wildcats stay in the 11-15
> win range.
>
> I was devastated by Coble's injury but not surprised -- with the 'Cat
> cagers it is always something.
>
> Over/under on Big Ten wins? 8 at most?
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>
> _______________________________________________
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Tue Nov 17 15:50:07 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Tue Nov 17 15:50:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Alcohol
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270911171243ue9ffeefna7a7a813427a2150@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8CC35DB9CC6A1B2-2A7C-1578@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com>
	<fcb3ee270911171243ue9ffeefna7a7a813427a2150@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <223fce250911171350o2cd0baf6v854b6373aad0fa4e@mail.gmail.com>

While there are obviously excellent policy reasons for banning the sale of
alcohol in on-campus, or off-campus for that matter, arenas and stadiums,
the revenue foregone is considerable.  I know that Louisville sells beer at
both Papa Johns and Freedom Hall and cocktails at Freedom Hall ( I can't
remember whether they do at PJCS-too many beers)  and the last estimate I
heard of alcohol revenue was in the neighborhood of $300,000-$400,000.  I'm
not condoning the sale mind you, I'm just reporting.

Hard as it is for me to believe, I think the SEC has a rule against the sale
of alcohol inside the stadium, which is why several stadium permit fans to
leave and re-enter the stadium.  They go out at half-time to get a drink or
two and then come back in for the second half.
Mark

Mark S. Ament


On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Jonathan Hodges
<jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>wrote:

> This issue came up during the summer when Minnesota made the decision.
>
> There is a Big Ten rule that prohibits selling alcohol in on-campus
> stadiums.  When Minnesota was in the Metrodome, they could obviously avoid
> that rule.
>
> Note that other conferences and bowl games vary in terms of alcohol
> policies.  One interesting story is that Memphis, who play in the
> off-campus
> Liberty Bowl Stadium, normally prohibit alcohol sales during games, but
> allowed it for their first game of the year against SEC member Mississippi,
> and consequently racked up a ton of additional revenue from alcohol sales.
>
> Back to the Big Ten, I believe some stadiums offer complimentary alcohol in
> some luxury boxes (since the tenants have already forked over a ton of
> cash)
> in order to get around the rule.  I can't remember exactly where I read
> that
> and I also don't remember exactly which schools do that.  I vaguely recall
> that Michigan may be one of them with their newly opened luxury boxes this
> season.
>
> On an associated note, here's a recent ESPN article on rowdy fan behavior
> and how some schools have responded:
> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news/story?id=4603176
> Also, earlier this year, the Iowa AD wrote an open letter to all fans
> trying
> to get better fan behavior after he ran into some trouble during
> tailgating.
>
> It's interesting to see how much rowdier fans are at all sporting events
> now
> than even a decade or so ago and the difference is even larger when one
> looks back further.  And now tailgating and alcohol are directly linked
> with
> such events, particularly college football.  For the vast majority of fans,
> it's not an issue, but there are always people who can't handle themselves
> and that has led to more and more incidents.  (Remember those Iowa fans who
> committed adultery in a men's bathroom last year in the Metrodome?)
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 2:28 PM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Lots of talk this afternoon on Minnesota sports-talk KFAN, a lot of it
> > seemingly based on this from WCCO:
> >
> > http://wcco.com/sports/alcohol.suites.gophers.2.1311465.html
> >
> > Most callers seemed horrified that they couldn't drink at TCF Bank
> stadium,
> > the Williams Arena or the ice hockey venue.  It sounded like liquor had
> been
> > available to club and premium level fans at these other two venues.  It
> was
> > going to be available for club and premium football as well, but was
> banned
> > instead at all 3.  Some questions:
> >
> > - Do we serve alcohol at any of the premium seating at Dyche ?
> >
> > - I always thought Big Ten rules prohibited alcohol at on-campus venues.
> >  Is that still true ?
> >
> > - I can't remember alcohol sales at any of our opponents stadiums (on
> > campus).  Beer was always availiable at the Metrodome, as I recall.  The
> > only campus stadium I remember with beer was the stadium at Cincinnati
> > (Nippert ?).
> >
> > - I know that even if the Big Ten allowed it, Evanston never would.  So
> > what led Minnesota to think they could serve alcohol ?
> >
> > - And is Lou Nanne implying that you can't do client business without
> > alcohol ?  And if so, isn't that more of an indictment of his business
> > skills ?
> >
> > Chuck Herron   Tech '85
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Tue Nov 17 15:51:23 2009
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 17 15:51:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Alcohol
Message-ID: <cdd.5eef33c1.383474db@aol.com>

Back in my day, (You will never know how it pains me to say that.) all  of 
Evanston was dry. Thanks to the WCTU.
Don Williams
C55
From jintsjason at me.com  Tue Nov 17 16:13:21 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jintsjason)
Date: Tue Nov 17 16:12:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Alcohol
In-Reply-To: <cdd.5eef33c1.383474db@aol.com>
References: <cdd.5eef33c1.383474db@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAF1C1A5-E99D-4842-924E-569444CF5EE8@me.com>

Twenty five years later the same was true. Then Evanston First Liquour  
opened in 1983 and then the Norris Bar in 1984.

....and there was much rejoicing.

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com

On Nov 17, 2009, at 1:51 PM, AJWDBW@aol.com wrote:

> Back in my day, (You will never know how it pains me to say that.)  
> all  of
> Evanston was dry. Thanks to the WCTU.
> Don Williams
> C55
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From mzilka at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 17 16:46:30 2009
From: mzilka at sbcglobal.net (Marilyn J Zilka)
Date: Tue Nov 17 16:46:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Alcohol
In-Reply-To: <8CC35DB9CC6A1B2-2A7C-1578@webmail-m095.sysops.aol.com>
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Message-ID: <121777.89266.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Alcohol is served up in the Stadium Club at Ryan --?they are allowed to give it away, not sell it.

I was surprised that beer was sold at the Carrier Dome in Syracuse -- it is right on campus




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From: "cherron604@aol.com" <cherron604@aol.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, November 17, 2009 2:28:09 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Alcohol


Lots of talk this afternoon on Minnesota sports-talk KFAN, a lot of it seemingly based on this from WCCO:

http://wcco.com/sports/alcohol.suites.gophers.2.1311465.html

Most callers seemed horrified that they couldn't drink at TCF Bank stadium, the Williams Arena or the ice hockey venue.? It sounded like liquor had been available to club and premium level fans at these other two venues.? It was going to be available for club and premium football as well, but was banned instead at all 3.? Some questions:

- Do we serve alcohol at any of the premium seating at Dyche ?

- I always thought Big Ten rules prohibited alcohol at on-campus venues.? Is that still true ?

- I can't remember alcohol sales at any of our opponents stadiums (on campus).? Beer was always availiable at the Metrodome, as I recall.? The only campus stadium I remember with beer was the stadium at Cincinnati (Nippert ?). 

- I know that even if the Big Ten allowed it, Evanston never would.? So what led Minnesota to think they could serve alcohol ?

- And is Lou Nanne implying that you can't do client business without alcohol ?? And if so, isn't that more of an indictment of his business skills ?

Chuck Herron? Tech '85
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 17 22:07:13 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Nov 17 22:07:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 12
Message-ID: <156018.52489.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Another week of repeating pigskin for me ? on Saturday the Cats get a comfortable lead over a team they should beat in Illinois and then do their best to blow it at the end ? then the Saints do the same with the Lambs on Sunday. But at least the end result was a win for both. Let?s hope they can duplicate the feat this week as the Big Ten season draws to a close (always a bittersweet weekend ? though the NFL is just starting to heat up ? what a game Sunday night with the Colts and Pats!)

One quick aside -- while the high school season ended with a too-early exit out here in Arizona, I was browsing the hometown Journal-Sentinel and saw that my alma mater, Menomonee Falls, has advanced to the Wisconsin state finals! I?m sure the whole town will be closed on Friday for the journey to Camp Randall and after coming within a game right before I was there and again a couple times right after I left (I know, bad luck J ), it?s good to see the Falls back to state. Go Indians! Beat Marquette! 

Anyway ? no Thursday night game this week, so enjoy the pre-holiday rush and get set for a fun day of football on Saturday. No big mega-game (thanks Arizona for blowing it!), but some great rivalries and full tradition on display. Picks due by kickoff in the Big House for the greatest rivalry in college football. 

GO CATS!!! BEAT THE BADGERS!!!

PIGSKIN PICKS ? WEEK 12
=======================
Name: 

BIG TEN
-------
GAME 1: Purdue @ Indiana
WINNER: 

GAME 2: Minnesota @ Iowa
WINNER: 

GAME 3: Ohio State @ Michigan
WINNER: 

GAME 4: Penn State @ Michigan State
WINNER: 

NATIONAL
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GAME 5: Oregon @ Arizona
WINNER: 

GAME 6: California @ Stanford
WINNER: 

GAME 7: Oklahoma @ Texas Tech
WINNER: 

GAME 8: Kansas State @ Nebraska
WINNER: 

GAME 9: Louisiana State @ Mississippi
WINNER: 

GAME 10: North Carolina @ Boston College
WINNER: 

MY PICKS
========
* PURDUE 34, Indiana 28 ? This game was this/close to meaning more than just a bucket this year, but instead it?s the ?coulda been? bowl with the Boilers coming off all those heartbreaking nailbiters early and the Hoosiers getting the ?apology award? this year from Big Ten officials. I like the Boilers to win close and wrap up a pretty good start to the era of Hope.

* IOWA 23, Minnesota 0 ? I was impressed with the Hawkeyes and the freshman QB last week in the Shoe ? heckuva coaching job by Ferentz and one helluva game! Who needs a title game when you have such a fantastic finish in the regular season? There?s a chance of a letdown for the Hawks here, but thankfully for them they?re playing the Gophers, who stopped playing football at Halloween. The pig stays in the cornfields and Iowa heads west to the B(C)S in Arizona. Fire up the RVs!

* OHIO STATE 17, Michigan 12 ? I reeeeeally want to pick the upset here, as Michigan needs this one and OSU has little to play for ? but then I remember who?s coaching the Wolverines and how they have no defense. But it?ll be close and enough to keep RichRod on the sidelines in Ann Arbor longer than Charlie Weis in South Bend ? but the Buckeyes keep the lead and celebrate with roses.

* MICHIGAN STATE 27, Penn State 24 ? Here I do like the upset, as Sparty has been playing well lately and is at home, while the Nits haven?t really put more than one quarter of good football together in a few weeks. Sparty wants another Florida bowl trip and gets the big win they need to leapfrog Northwestern (win or lose) in bowl pecking order.

* OREGON 47, Arizona 27 ? Sadly, this one won?t be close. The Ducks can feel Jim Harbaugh?s juggernaut nipping at their heels and after thanking Zona for beating Stanford earlier in the year, the Quack Attack will run over the Cats to hang on to their lead ? at least until the Civil War, where Oregon State would love to return the favor for Oregon knocking the Beavers out of Pasadena last year.

* STANFORD 42, California 34 ? It?s been a long time since both teams came into ?The Big Game? with this much momentum. Usually it?s a Pac 10 team from southern California bemoaning the lack of a playoff system, but this year it might be the Treez who everyone would be fearing if they had to play them in the postseason. Great game and the Cardinal outscore their rivals.

* OKLAHOMA 30, Texas Tech 20 ? My how the Big XII has fallen. Last year this was a top 5 clash ? this year, the league can barely keep two teams in the polls during the season. Still, this is an important game for bowl position, as the Sooners could still wind up in Dallas if they win here and win at Bedlam next week.

* NEBRASKA 16, Kansas State 10 ? Again, this was a mega-game for awhile there in the late 1990s, but now it?s just two unranked teams playing for the honor of being Texas? sacrificial lamb at the Big XII title game. The Huskers D is juuuust enough to outfox Bill Snyder and make up for their horrible O at home. Bring on the Horns!

* MISSISSIPPI 24, Louisiana State 10 ? Speaking of hard times, only THREE ranked teams from the SEC?! What is the world coming to? Though some things haven?t changed, as LSU may be the most overrated team in the nation. Sure the Tigers have a great D, but they just can?t score. I?ll crow once more about sniffing out Ole Miss? overratedness in the preseason, but now it?s the Tigers who smell ripe for the upset.

* BOSTON COLLEGE 17, North Carolina 14 ? Running out of quality games, so we?ll throw in this hardcourt classic that also should be close on the football field ? UNC looks to move up in the ACC?s bowl pecking order, but I like the Eagles to get the upset at home and keep the status quo of ACC mediocrity alive.

And off the board ?

* NORTHWESTERN 34, Wisconsin 30 ? Total heart-over-head pick here, as the Badgers come in on a roll and could be playing for the Citrus or maybe even the B(C)S if Iowa falters. But Bucky also hasn?t been tested in awhile and the Cats have a secret weapon in ex-Badger Coach Hank and a finally-somewhat-healthy defense. Secret weapon #2? My Dairyland friend and Badger backer Reid will be at the game, and he is usually better luck than a purple leprechaun at NU-UW games. Keep the streak alive, Reid, and GO CATS!!! I hope ... I hope ... I hope ...

Picks due by Saturday?s kickoff!
GO CATS!!!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!_
-SjT



* * * * * * * * *
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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Wed Nov 18 06:03:08 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Wed Nov 18 06:06:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Alcohol
Message-ID: <20091118.060308.22640.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

I was looking at the insight bowls website and even though that is ASU's stadium they serve alcohol.

http://www.fiestabowl.org/images/uploads/IBGame_Day_Guide.pdf
Page 6
"No alcoholic beverages may be brought into the stadium. Fans
must purchase alcohol from a concession stand, as they will
not be able to purchase alcohol from their seats. A limit of two
alcoholic beverages will be sold per transaction. Alcohol sales
will cease at the beginning of the third quarter of the game."

I think it is a Big Ten rule only.

Personally I rarely have a problem with a sober fan -- enemy or wcat.  Now I know people drink before the game and sneak stuff in, but in general the lack of sales controls the atmosphere a bit.  Beyond that I doubt Evanston would EVER give us a liquor license.

________________________________
From: "cherron604@aol.com" <cherron604@aol.com>


Lots of talk this afternoon on Minnesota sports-talk KFAN, a lot of it seemingly based on this from WCCO:

http://wcco.com/sports/alcohol.suites.gophers.2.1311465.html

Most callers seemed horrified that they couldn't drink at TCF Bank stadium, the Williams Arena or the ice hockey venue.? It sounded like liquor had been available to club and premium level fans at these other two venues.? It was going to be available for club and premium football as well, but was banned instead at all 3.? Some questions:

- Do we serve alcohol at any of the premium seating at Dyche ?

- I always thought Big Ten rules prohibited alcohol at on-campus venues.? Is that still true ?

- I can't remember alcohol sales at any of our opponents stadiums (on campus).? Beer was always availiable at the Metrodome, as I recall.? The only campus stadium I remember with beer was the stadium at Cincinnati (Nippert ?). 

- I know that even if the Big Ten allowed it, Evanston never would.? So what led Minnesota to think they could serve alcohol ?

- And is Lou Nanne implying that you can't do client business without alcohol ?? And if so, isn't that more of an indictment of his business skills ?


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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Nov 18 06:08:05 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed Nov 18 06:09:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Carmody & Cats feature
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http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/columns/story?columnist=greenberg_jon&id=4665177 

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 18 10:29:46 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed Nov 18 10:29:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Alcohol
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I think on-campus stadiums can get waivers to the policy when they host bowl games. I remember in 2005 at the Sun Bowl they were selling beer even though the game was on the UTEP campus. 

Jim



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I was looking at the insight bowls website and even though that is ASU's stadium they serve alcohol.

http://www.fiestabowl.org/images/uploads/IBGame_Day_Guide.pdf
Page 6
"No alcoholic beverages may be brought into the stadium. Fans
must purchase alcohol from a concession stand, as they will
not be able to purchase alcohol from their seats. A limit of two
alcoholic beverages will be sold per transaction. Alcohol sales
will cease at the beginning of the third quarter of the game."

I think it is a Big Ten rule only.

Personally I rarely have a problem with a sober fan -- enemy or wcat.  Now I know people drink before the game and sneak stuff in, but in general the lack of sales controls the atmosphere a bit.  Beyond that I doubt Evanston would EVER give us a liquor license.

________________________________
From: "cherron604@aol.com" <cherron604@aol.com>


Lots of talk this afternoon on Minnesota sports-talk KFAN, a lot of it seemingly based on this from WCCO:

http://wcco.com/sports/alcohol.suites.gophers.2.1311465.html

Most callers seemed horrified that they couldn't drink at TCF Bank stadium, the Williams Arena or the ice hockey venue.  It sounded like liquor had been available to club and premium level fans at these other two venues.  It was going to be available for club and premium football as well, but was banned instead at all 3.  Some questions:

- Do we serve alcohol at any of the premium seating at Dyche ?

- I always thought Big Ten rules prohibited alcohol at on-campus venues.  Is that still true ?

- I can't remember alcohol sales at any of our opponents stadiums (on campus).  Beer was always availiable at the Metrodome, as I recall.  The only campus stadium I remember with beer was the stadium at Cincinnati (Nippert ?). 

- I know that even if the Big Ten allowed it, Evanston never would.  So what led Minnesota to think they could serve alcohol ?

- And is Lou Nanne implying that you can't do client business without alcohol ?  And if so, isn't that more of an indictment of his business skills ?


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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 18 10:31:25 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed Nov 18 10:31:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Discounted tickets for NU game
In-Reply-To: <bda.50fc9cc4.38288a92@aol.com>
Message-ID: <380985.48481.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Today's Groupon deal is $20 tix for the NU game:

http://www.groupon.com/deals/northwestern-football

Pretty sure they are end-zone seats, but that's a good deal.

Tom

From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Wed Nov 18 10:59:41 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Wed Nov 18 10:59:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 
	So we've got this going for us, which, you know, is nice
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF0B870197@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/columns/story?columnist=greenberg_jon&
id=4665177

 

In all seriousness, everyone knows Northwestern is perhaps the most
woebegone basketball program in the whole country. For its entire
tortured history, Northwestern has been a maddening anomaly, the only
"big conference" school never to make the NCAA tournament. Ironically,
Northwestern hosted the first NCAA tournament in 1939, six years after
its last conference championship.

From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Nov 18 11:04:52 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Nov 18 11:05:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Penn State ticket situation
Message-ID: <8CC36886164ADF8-9F2C-6CF6@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com>


Very interesting article on Penn State season tickets (and how much they can really cost)

http://blog.pennlive.com/davidjones/2009/11/more_detail_on_psu_season_tick.html

Articles like this leave me very happy about our attendance woes.  Reading some of the reader comments, however, I do sense an undercurrent of disatisfaction with huge prices for (mostly) lousy opponents.  Perhaps our attendance woes are an early indicator that at some point, cash-strapped fans elsewhere will rise up and say 'no more' ?

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Nov 18 23:04:36 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Nov 18 23:04:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
Message-ID: <89DF435912B24AB89C89B99878FBB562@DennisMachine>

Another season of basketball has begun, and the results look exactly like years past.  We lost - badly.  We still can't rebound or break down a good defense.  We got Thompson and Nash and little else.  Rowley looks like a string bean compared to last season and is lighter on his feet, but he still can't play the game of basketball.  Mircovic is better but will strike no fear into opposing defenses.  Shurna will have good games at times but is erratic and stoppable even if he gets hot.  Crawford is raw but may turn out well in time, but he's a long way from that point now.  Only a miracle will make this our first NCAA season.
From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Thu Nov 19 06:00:03 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Thu Nov 19 06:01:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
Message-ID: <20091119.060003.18607.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

It was pretty ugly.

I knew going in that we would have trouble scoring, but what I really was disappointed in was the sloppines(turnovers) and the defense.

We have to play mistake-free while contesting all shots.

Juice went through a period where it felt like he turned it over posession after possession.

I don't think Butler is top 10, but neither are we even tournament bubble quality.

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From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>

Another season of basketball has begun, and the results look exactly like years past.  We lost - badly.  We still can't rebound or break down a good defense.  We got Thompson and Nash and little else.  Rowley looks like a string bean compared to last season and is lighter on his feet, but he still can't play the game of basketball.  Mircovic is better but will strike no fear into opposing defenses.  Shurna will have good games at times but is erratic and stoppable even if he gets hot.  Crawford is raw but may turn out well in time, but he's a long way from that point now.  Only a miracle will make this our first NCAA season.


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From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Nov 19 10:07:04 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 19 10:07:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Football Fatigue ?
Message-ID: <8CC374978656BC6-A7CC-71A0@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com>


I have noticed less mailing list activity this week, leading up to the Badger game.  Additionally, I have noticed no discussion this morning of the (seemingly annual) loss to Butler.

Iowa leadup            Nov 1-7             114 messages
Illinois leadup          Nov 8-14           190 messages
Wisconsin leadup    Nov 15-present    39 messages

Could it be a symptom of Wildcat Football Fatigue ?  We woke up October 18 at 4-3, with 5 games to go, and a need to go 3-2 (with 3 tough foes and a trap/trophy game at Illinois), and strong desires to go to a warm weather bowl and avoid Detroit.  And with the win at Illinois, we essentially accomplished what we needed to do.  Is it possible that the pressure of the last 4 weeks has worn everybody out ?

On the basketball side, it seems to me that the weird vibe of the Carmody era wore most of us out a long time ago.

Will we have anything to talk about between the Bowl game and Lacrosse season ?

Chuck Herron   Tech '85 
From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Nov 19 10:19:09 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Nov 19 10:19:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Football Fatigue ?
References: <8CC374978656BC6-A7CC-71A0@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <C58CF6A9D2C64F089B26E26B81DB4A7E@DennisMachine>

I have noticed no discussion this morning of the (seemingly annual) loss to 
Butler.

Then you must have mlinhardt's and my e-mails blocked. 

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 19 10:23:14 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Thu Nov 19 10:23:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Football Fatigue ?
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In a word, NEVER. I will never tired of Wildcat Football. But with the start of the new season of 'Housewives of Orange County' I have been a bit distracted. 

Wisconsin is probably my most hated Big Ten opponent. Mostly because of the way?their fans have turned Dyche into a mini-Camp Randall in the past. I'm also still angry at Barry Alvarez for throwing deep on us with a 3-score lead in the 4th quarter in 1994. 

Still, Wisconsin is a balanced team and I really don't like our chances. I assume we wil pull out all the stops on Senior Day, but this will be a tough game. 

Go Cats!!!!
Jim


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I have noticed less mailing list activity this week, leading up to the Badger game.? Additionally, I have noticed no discussion this morning of the (seemingly annual) loss to Butler.

Iowa leadup? ? ? ? ? ? Nov 1-7? ? ? ? ? ? 114 messages
Illinois leadup? ? ? ? ? Nov 8-14? ? ? ? ? 190 messages
Wisconsin leadup? ? Nov 15-present? ? 39 messages

Could it be a symptom of Wildcat Football Fatigue ?? We woke up October 18 at 4-3, with 5 games to go, and a need to go 3-2 (with 3 tough foes and a trap/trophy game at Illinois), and strong desires to go to a warm weather bowl and avoid Detroit.? And with the win at Illinois, we essentially accomplished what we needed to do.? Is it possible that the pressure of the last 4 weeks has worn everybody out ?

On the basketball side, it seems to me that the weird vibe of the Carmody era wore most of us out a long time ago.

Will we have anything to talk about between the Bowl game and Lacrosse season ?

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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Thu Nov 19 10:56:54 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Thu Nov 19 10:59:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Football Fatigue ?
Message-ID: <20091119.105654.22566.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

I fear if we win we go back to the Alamo bowl, which might prompt us to break our bowl streak and skip out.

We are burned out after 8 attended games and definitely ready for our annual Thanksgiving vacation.

I am looking forward to my favorite band show with March of the Steelman and the old plus 4.


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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Thu Nov 19 11:02:57 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Thu Nov 19 11:03:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Football Fatigue ?
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For football, I think there is just less to talk about at the moment. 
We're not vying for the conference championship, and we know we're going 
to a bowl. We probably won't know where for a while, and it's possible 
that the outcome of this next game won't even affect where we eventually go.

To beat Wisconsin, we will likely have to play better than in previous 
games and/or rely on Badger injuries. I'm looking forward to watching, 
but there's not much more to say about it right now.

As for basketball, it goes without saying that the injuries are a major 
letdown, but I don't think one can form a valid opinion about the entire 
season based on the first two games. What any team does now will not be 
what they do in February. (Dennis and Maureen better turn in their 
completed NCAA brackets by the end of the week if they truly believe 
otherwise.)  Even if we won every game between now and Christmas, I 
don't know what that would mean for the Big Ten season.

I will say that regardless of anyone's post-injury expectations, the 
team itself had better not view this season as a "wash" while waiting 
for Coble to come back. They would need to work on improving themselves 
even with him in the lineup, and that's even more true without him. 
We'll see.

Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


cherron604@aol.com wrote:
> I have noticed less mailing list activity this week, leading up to the Badger game.  Additionally, I have noticed no discussion this morning of the (seemingly annual) loss to Butler.
>
> Iowa leadup            Nov 1-7             114 messages
> Illinois leadup          Nov 8-14           190 messages
> Wisconsin leadup    Nov 15-present    39 messages
>
> Could it be a symptom of Wildcat Football Fatigue ?  We woke up October 18 at 4-3, with 5 games to go, and a need to go 3-2 (with 3 tough foes and a trap/trophy game at Illinois), and strong desires to go to a warm weather bowl and avoid Detroit.  And with the win at Illinois, we essentially accomplished what we needed to do.  Is it possible that the pressure of the last 4 weeks has worn everybody out ?
>
> On the basketball side, it seems to me that the weird vibe of the Carmody era wore most of us out a long time ago.
>
> Will we have anything to talk about between the Bowl game and Lacrosse season ?
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>   

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 19 11:07:15 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Nov 19 11:07:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Football Fatigue ?
In-Reply-To: <20091119.105654.22566.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <275547.38032.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think people tend to post more when we lose. Folks are always ready to jump in on "what went wrong" discussions. When we win (especially big wins, like the Iowa game), I think a lot of us just lay back and enjoy the happy vibe. 

Overall, I'm very pleased with how the season has gone. Given the unbelievable string of injuries on defense that had players either missing games or playing at far below full strength, I would say it's been a successful year. A win against Wisconsin would be all kinds of huge, and a wonderful way to cap off the year. The big story is that we've got back-to-back winning records for only the 2nd time in the "modern" era. 

As for b-ball, I don't know that there's much to say other than "Coble is out for the year". That's the one guy you couldn't afford to lose. It's way, way worse in terms of impact than the FB team losing Tyrell Sutton for most of a year (or two years). 

I think the b-ball team still has a chance to accomplish things, but it's going to be very hard to make up for the loss of Coble.

Tom

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Nov 19 11:52:43 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Nov 19 11:52:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
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Unfortunately, I only got to hear the 2nd half of the game over airwaves...

It was pretty sloppy sounding, with all the turnovers - BC's comment was that you couldn't turn
it over 16 times and win, and he was right.

A quick look at the box and there is Juice with 16 Pts in 40 minutes, followed Shurna with 14 in
38 minutes - about what you'd expect from a Carmody offense.

Missing was the 3rd big scorer that usually gives NU the win - the closest came off the bench,
Marcotullio, who found his shot in the 2nd half, but scored 8 in 15 mins. I also heard Rowley's
name called more than once in the 2nd half, and he had 6 in 11 mins.

Missing was the number of steals we usually get, and any kind of offense from 17:46 - 12:56 as
we appeared to demonstrate how many ways you can turn over a baskeball.

>From Dave's comments, I gathered they are very high on Marcotullio, even though he didn't start.
He showed that he could put the ball thru the hoop once he found his range, and might wind up as
the 3rd scorer that BC needs to make his offense go.

Like I said, I only heard the game on the radio.

rsl
 

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It was pretty ugly.

I knew going in that we would have trouble scoring, but what I really was disappointed in was
the sloppines(turnovers) and the defense.

We have to play mistake-free while contesting all shots.

Juice went through a period where it felt like he turned it over posession after possession.

I don't think Butler is top 10, but neither are we even tournament bubble quality.

---------- Original Message ----------
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Another season of basketball has begun, and the results look exactly like years past.  We lost -
badly.  We still can't rebound or break down a good defense.  We got Thompson and Nash and
little else.  Rowley looks like a string bean compared to last season and is lighter on his
feet, but he still can't play the game of basketball.  Mircovic is better but will strike no
fear into opposing defenses.  Shurna will have good games at times but is erratic and stoppable
even if he gets hot.  Crawford is raw but may turn out well in time, but he's a long way from
that point now.  Only a miracle will make this our first NCAA season.


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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Thu Nov 19 12:03:47 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Thu Nov 19 12:04:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
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I watched the game (god bless the Big 10 network) and while all of coach Roy's observations, sparked by Carmody's comments, are of course dead on -- I'm here to say that performance by the Northwestern basketball team was ugly.

And if it don't get any prettier, it's gonna be a long, long winter in Evanston.



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Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Basketball

Unfortunately, I only got to hear the 2nd half of the game over airwaves...

It was pretty sloppy sounding, with all the turnovers - BC's comment was that you couldn't turn
it over 16 times and win, and he was right.

A quick look at the box and there is Juice with 16 Pts in 40 minutes, followed Shurna with 14 in
38 minutes - about what you'd expect from a Carmody offense.

Missing was the 3rd big scorer that usually gives NU the win - the closest came off the bench,
Marcotullio, who found his shot in the 2nd half, but scored 8 in 15 mins. I also heard Rowley's
name called more than once in the 2nd half, and he had 6 in 11 mins.

Missing was the number of steals we usually get, and any kind of offense from 17:46 - 12:56 as
we appeared to demonstrate how many ways you can turn over a baskeball.

>From Dave's comments, I gathered they are very high on Marcotullio, even though he didn't start.
He showed that he could put the ball thru the hoop once he found his range, and might wind up as
the 3rd scorer that BC needs to make his offense go.

Like I said, I only heard the game on the radio.

rsl
 

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It was pretty ugly.

I knew going in that we would have trouble scoring, but what I really was disappointed in was
the sloppines(turnovers) and the defense.

We have to play mistake-free while contesting all shots.

Juice went through a period where it felt like he turned it over posession after possession.

I don't think Butler is top 10, but neither are we even tournament bubble quality.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>

Another season of basketball has begun, and the results look exactly like years past.  We lost -
badly.  We still can't rebound or break down a good defense.  We got Thompson and Nash and
little else.  Rowley looks like a string bean compared to last season and is lighter on his
feet, but he still can't play the game of basketball.  Mircovic is better but will strike no
fear into opposing defenses.  Shurna will have good games at times but is erratic and stoppable
even if he gets hot.  Crawford is raw but may turn out well in time, but he's a long way from
that point now.  Only a miracle will make this our first NCAA season.


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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 19 13:24:36 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Nov 19 13:24:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
In-Reply-To: <000001ca6941$22828410$67878c30$@com>
Message-ID: <317102.24697.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I caught most of the "highlight" reel on CLTV. 

Virtually all of the "highlights" were of NU committing a turnover, and most of those lead to layups/dunks. The score box in the lower portion of the screen on the replays just kept getting a little worse with each clip they showed. 

I got the feeling that sequence of clips gave a pretty accurate picture of an ugly outing.

Tom

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 19 13:39:01 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Nov 19 13:39:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball debacle
Message-ID: <409073020-1258659532-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1068839612-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Also worth noting is that many feel this will be the deepest and most talented Big 10 in a decade. 

That means that Butler is, at a minmum, likely to be the kind of team that NU sees every night once league play begins. Yikes. 

How many transfers and decommits after an 8-20 season?

Coble's loss is absolutely devastating in a way no single FB injury could be. There's no one remotely like him on the team. 

Good thing there will be football until New Year's. 

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Nov 19 13:48:05 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Nov 19 13:48:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Football Fatigue ?
Message-ID: <d67.4b615506.3836faf5@aol.com>

Maybe listers think Illnois is our biggest rival game, then Iowa, then  
Wisconsin, I put Iowa way out in front, followed by Wisconsin, then  Illinois.  
This is because of the fans for each team which I characterize  as:
Iowa=A*holes and hicks
Wisconsin=Morons and drunks
Illinois=Idiots from a small village
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 19 13:54:25 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Nov 19 13:54:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball debacle
In-Reply-To: <409073020-1258659532-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1068839612-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <810607.10657.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> How many transfers and decommits after an 8-20 season?

None.

And I don't think the record will be that bad.

Tom

From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Nov 19 14:09:30 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Nov 19 14:09:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball debacle
References: <409073020-1258659532-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1068839612-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1569CB87DFC64D8FBFD631E881AB42A5@DennisMachine>

> Coble's loss is absolutely devastating in a way no single FB injury could 
> be. There's no one remotely like him on the team.

A true statement, but the team I saw last night has more problems than 
losing Kevin Coble.  We have no center.  None.  Not on defense.  Not on 
offense.  Not on the boards.  None.  And we have no power forward.  We again 
will be outrebounded by every team taller than the Little People Daycare 
Center.  We have precious few fine athletes at guard and small forward. 
Shurna will have to prove he can be consistent, which he certainly did not 
do last night.  He will have his good games but is not talented enough to 
carry the team.  Thompson and Nash will provide spark, but Nash has been 
subject to streaks of erratic and out-of-control play.  Crawford looked 
quick and may offer positive results before season's end, but right now he 
is woefully inexperienced.  Some other frosh or soph may step up.  But who? 
That fellow did not play last night.  Our only run came after it was all 
over but the shouting about the lack of NU basketball talent.  Like the 
football team - indeed, worse than the football team - they must play a 
near-perfect game to win, and they ain't a gonna do that often in the Big 
Ten. May I please be wrong, but I don't think I will be.  I now enter my 
45th year of bad-to-mediocre NU basketball. 

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 20:47:28 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Thu Nov 19 20:47:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball debacle
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References: <409073020-1258659532-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1068839612-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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Oh, i wouldn't jump to that conclusion about the Big Ten so quickly.  MSU
and Purdue will be national contenders and Minnesota and tOSU will be top 20
but that may be it as far as real depth is concerned.  Possibly., Michigan
which I haven't seen and so won't comment on.  The rest are definitely worse
than Butler, which is a very legitimate top 10 team so I wouldn't throw this
season away just yet.  It's not the absence of Coble's points and rebounds
at this point that is a problem; it's getting use to playing without him in
the lineup and getting use to playing with whomever is in the lineup as his
replacement.  That will take several weeks to adjust to and fortunately that
is what the non-conference season is for and Carmody hasn't over-scheduled
in the non-conference, so they will have a chance to develop together before
the Big Ten season starts.

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On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 2:39 PM, <bwdolphin146@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Also worth noting is that many feel this will be the deepest and most
> talented Big 10 in a decade.
>
> That means that Butler is, at a minmum, likely to be the kind of team that
> NU sees every night once league play begins. Yikes.
>
> How many transfers and decommits after an 8-20 season?
>
> Coble's loss is absolutely devastating in a way no single FB injury could
> be. There's no one remotely like him on the team.
>
> Good thing there will be football until New Year's.
>
> Brad Wilson
> Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?
>
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 19 22:11:51 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Nov 19 22:11:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Anybody have two for Wisconsin?
Message-ID: <2109019795-1258690299-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-978459413-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Made a snap decision to go to the game as much as such decisions can be made on a snap basis when coming from Philadelphia. 

Anyway if anybody has a pair of tickets for two diehard fans, email me offlist. 

Brad Wilson
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 19 23:43:59 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Nov 19 23:44:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Football Fatigue ?
In-Reply-To: <8CC374978656BC6-A7CC-71A0@webmail-d027.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <643185.14084.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Could it be a symptom of Wildcat Football Fatigue ??

Never!:) But as Tom said, it's hard to complain after creaming the Corn and then beating Illinois again.:)

You're right though, one of our three big rivals ... all the Coach Hank angles ... the possibility of 8 wins ... maybe we're all hoping than Hankwitz has a plan to get back at Bielema and is laying low, ready to stop the Badger attack.:)

But really, I think it's because we're not quite sure what to expect. I can see us getting run over by the Badgers if we play like we did in the 4th quarter in Champaign ... or I can see us pulling the upset if Kafka is on and the D has their edge.

Our UW series is pretty similar to our Iowa series - the Badgers don't seem to take us seriously and enjoy filling our stadium and acting boorish, but we've played well against them, especially at home.

Here's hoping!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Mark, I think you're underestimating the Big Ten in hoops this year. MSU and Purdue are Final Four threats, OSU and Minny will make runs at the top 10 and Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan and PSU could all wind up in the tourney. I think it could be a banner year for the league.


      

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Nov 20 13:50:17 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 20 13:50:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] champs bowl
Message-ID: <d37.5a893ee6.38384cf9@aol.com>

today's Orlando paper has the first bowl projection story, and has NU  
coming to the Champs bowl to play Va Tech, I hope so, GO CATS!!!! beat the  
badgers
From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Nov 20 13:57:40 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Nov 20 13:58:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] champs bowl
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I love Orlando, or more specifically Mt. Dora.  Hope we can all have a
holiday Florida vacation.

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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 20 15:04:47 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Fri Nov 20 15:04:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wisconsin Prediction
Message-ID: <895912.49299.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I don't know what kind of game we're in for tomorrow. To me it looks like the Badgers are the better team because they are more balanced on offense. Still, they are beatable. Hopefully Hankwitz has a solidgame plan ready for our defense. If we play our best four quarters of football, we can beat these guys. 

Wisconsin:???? 23
Northwestern: 30

Victory & Honor,
Jim


      

From Martinitis at aol.com  Fri Nov 20 15:29:06 2009
From: Martinitis at aol.com (Martinitis@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 20 15:29:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CHAMPS BOWL
Message-ID: <caa.540c552f.38386422@aol.com>

I love Orlando, or more specifically Mt. Dora.  Hope we can all have  a
holiday Florida vacation.

Jeff 


AMEN!!!
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 20 17:37:02 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov 20 17:36:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] This Crap has been going on too long....
Message-ID: <004401ca6a3a$5c53be80$14fb3b80$@com>

November 25, 1916- Ohio State beat Northwestern 23-3 in Columbus, Ohio, to cap a 7-0 season and
earn the Buckeyes their first Big Ten championship. It was the first of 33 Big Ten titles for
Ohio State, 17 outright and 16 shared championships to date.

>From the NFF today.

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
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================================================




From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Nov 20 17:39:57 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri Nov 20 17:41:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] very sad
In-Reply-To: <004401ca6a3a$5c53be80$14fb3b80$@com>
References: <004401ca6a3a$5c53be80$14fb3b80$@com>
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30108F45B@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

FW: Stefanie Spielman, the wife of NFL and Ohio State star Chris Spielman who led a public fight against breast cancer, died Thursday after a lengthy battle with the disease. She was 42. 

Spielman is an ESPN analyst and recently did an NU game.

From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Nov 20 17:44:35 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 20 17:44:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] This Crap has been going on too long....
Message-ID: <1986854318-1258760677-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1699744061-@bda199.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Yes it has

My father,an 0hio State grad of the class of 1938 ,told me that their star QB at the time was William,"Tippy" Dye.  Dye later became AD of NU and was there in 1971 the next to the last time we beat the Bucks.  I guess we tried.  Dad passed away this year able to celebrate 70 years as an alum 

Harry

Harry
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Sent: Nov 20, 2009 3:37 PM

November 25, 1916- Ohio State beat Northwestern 23-3 in Columbus, Ohio, to cap a 7-0 season and
earn the Buckeyes their first Big Ten championship. It was the first of 33 Big Ten titles for
Ohio State, 17 outright and 16 shared championships to date.

>From the NFF today.

rsl

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Date: Fri Nov 20 19:47:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] very sad
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Just heard the other day about her tragic struggle--from onetime lawyer for John 
Gotti- Bruce Cutler.  He rents an office from my law firm and is a friend and big cat fan. 
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 21 13:07:45 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Nov 21 13:08:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Football Fatigue ?
Message-ID: <31640154.1258830466046.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

A well analyzed and insightful breakdown of those three rivals, to be certain. Then, if you take the lowest common denominator of each of those three schools, you have Ohio State.

-----Original Message-----
>From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
>
>Maybe listers think Illnois is our biggest rival game, then Iowa, then  
>Wisconsin, I put Iowa way out in front, followed by Wisconsin, then  Illinois.  
>This is because of the fans for each team which I characterize  as:
>Iowa=A*holes and hicks
>Wisconsin=Morons and drunks
>Illinois=Idiots from a small village

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 21 14:12:49 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 14:13:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Early Games
Message-ID: <8CC38FE2228E852-1CB4-1B3E8@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com>


Well, as the clocks run down in Ann Arbor and Iowa City, the following trends are surfacing:

1) Both the Wolves and Golden Gophers fall farther behind NU, with Michigan about to drop out of bowl eligibility and the men from Up North about to finish a lame 6-6, which increases our chances for a decent bowl bid, even if we lose today.

2) I just don't see how Rich Rod survives this debacle of a season.  He probably will, but they are just an awful team at this point.  They are going to finish last in the conference, and who ever could foresee that.  I mean, Fitz has made NU into a clearly stronger team that the team that used to own the Big House.  And they barely beat Indiana--at home--on a controversial call.  With all of their recruiting advantages--pathetic.  

3) Tate Forcier has regressed--badly.  It's not just the picks; it's the body language, the lack of confidence.  Right now, Dan Persa looks like someone with more upside, at least in the immediate future--even if Forcier is more talented--because Persa is improving, not going downhill.

4) Michigan will not beat Buckeyes until Pryor graduates or leaves, whichever comes first.

5) Bucks still not impressive on Offense, but their "D" should give them a real shot in Pasadena.

6) Iowa keeps alive chances for BCS Bowl, but hardly an overwhelming win over Minny.

Now, for the Main Course.

Go 'Cats!  Beat Badgers!


Paul Levinson

P.S.:  This game is for bragging rights at Thanksgiving, as my daughter's boyfriend graduated from Madison 2 years ago.:-)
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 14:33:44 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 14:33:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Early Games
In-Reply-To: <8CC38FE2228E852-1CB4-1B3E8@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <861125.35648.qm@web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Well, as the clocks run down in Ann Arbor and Iowa City,
> the following trends are surfacing:
> 
> 1) Both the Wolves and Golden Gophers fall farther behind
> NU, with Michigan about to drop out of bowl eligibility and
> the men from Up North about to finish a lame 6-6, which
> increases our chances for a decent bowl bid, even if we lose

Exactly -- I don't see how anyone wants the Gophers ahead of us after today. U-G-L-Y. Which leads to a couple of my observations ...

1) There is a HUGE difference between a classic slugfest like Iowa/OSU last week and a comedy of errors like the two games today. John Saunders and the Mimbo may just look at the scores, but it's two worlds of a game.

2) Why can't we schedule Minnesota in NOVEMBER? We always seem to get the Gophers in September, before they've gone into their holes for hibernation.

> 2) I just don't see how Rich Rod survives this debacle of a
> season.? He probably will, but they are just an awful

Well, for one thing, Michigan is not Notre Dame and will not make a rash decision like the Irish did to fire Willingham. Two years is just too soon, even for someone whose arrogant attitude has ruffled as many alumni as RichRod. Charlie's out after Stanford hangs 50 on ND. RichRod lives to fight another day ... barely.

> 3) Tate Forcier has regressed--badly.? It's not just

Sadly, I must agree. I loved watching him vs. ND, but it was painful today.

> 4) Michigan will not beat Buckeyes until Pryor graduates or
> leaves, whichever comes first.

Well, Pryor would be a fool to leave early. The NFL (not to mention OSU coaches) are still figuring out how to best utilize quarterbacks like him.

> 5) Bucks still not impressive on Offense, but their "D"
> should give them a real shot in Pasadena.

I think they'll do well. Should be a heck of a game if it's Oregon.

> 6) Iowa keeps alive chances for BCS Bowl, but hardly an
> overwhelming win over Minny.

Thankfully for them, the RVs travel well and there are few other options for the B(C)S teams. But I agree that it's an ugly way to back into a B(C)S bowl.

> Now, for the Main Course.
> Go 'Cats!? Beat Badgers!

GOOOOOOOOOO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 14:42:32 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 21 14:42:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Opening drive
Message-ID: <127372.73491.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That was the best drive we've had since 2005.

Go Cats!
Jim


      

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 14:55:02 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 21 14:55:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Defense
Message-ID: <731971.7562.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

....is fired up. Hankwitz must have these guys motivated.

GO CATS!
Jim


      

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 21 15:05:07 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:05:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Defense
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References: <731971.7562.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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10 Zip....Nice kick by Demos.

Anybody out there who doesn't believe we would have beaten the Nits if Kafka hadn't gone down?



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:55 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Defense


....is fired up. Hankwitz must have these guys motivated.
GO CATS!
im

     
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From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 15:16:15 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:17:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 1st quarter
Message-ID: <20091121211615.4JHS6.94725.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

Best first quarter in recent memory. Stupid penalty on the kickoff gave the Badgers too good field position, which they utilized for a score. However, we just need to keep scoring. I don't think the Badgers can stop us. The only way we lose is if we stop ourselves.

And how about that vertical passing game? NICE!

J.R.

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 15:19:10 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:18:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Defense
In-Reply-To: <731971.7562.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4b08593c.9753f10a.5eea.ffff89ad@mx.google.com>

Guys, please keep the updates coming. ?I'm stuck in Freedom Hall watching the Cardinals toy with East Tenn St.


Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz@gmail.com


--sent from my Palm Pre

Jim Leonard wrote:

...is fired up. Hankwitz must have these guys motivated.



GO CATS!

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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 15:22:38 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:22:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Defense
In-Reply-To: <8CC3905700D684E-2E70-1D151@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com>
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	<8CC3905700D684E-2E70-1D151@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com>
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We need to cover that Tight End. 




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To: jleonard518@yahoo.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 3:05:07 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Our Defense

10 Zip....Nice kick by Demos.
 
Anybody out there who doesn't believe we would have beaten the Nits if Kafka hadn't gone down?



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 12:55 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Our Defense


....is fired up. Hankwitz must have these guys motivated.

GO CATS!
Jim


      

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From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 15:17:58 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:23:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] OK -- now we're beating ourselves
Message-ID: <20091121211758.9DEL5.94754.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

Fumble. ARGH!

From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 15:29:43 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:30:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] For Mark -- we're down 14-10, but driving
Message-ID: <20091121212943.H0FGH.94871.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

Cats take the kickoff 64 yards and are set up nicely in Badger territory. Kafka hit Dunsmore for a 154 yard pass after a false start.

More vertical passing than I have seen all season. Very nice.

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 15:33:48 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:33:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] First 20 or so minutes ...
Message-ID: <771958.23342.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

- LOVE the opening drive! Great zip on Kafka's passes

- Wish we would have taken more advantage than just 10-0 by the time the quarter ended

- The D is stuffing the run well, but we need better coverage

- I think we may have finally found a team with equally poor special teams ... either that or our kickoff return team worked Michigan-like practice hours this week:)

- DANG FUMBLE!!!

- We stopped them on 4th down - bad spot

- Horrible yellow line spotter today ... the announcers more than once seem clueless about where the real first down is

- STUPID mistakes on the drive following the Badgers taking a 14-10 lead -- can't have these dumb false starts!

- GREAT throw by Kafka and a GREAT catch by Brewer to go up 17-14

So now it's 17-14 CATS and given the history between these two teams, I think we may be in for a wild ride the final few minutes of the half and after they return from the locker rooms.

But I like our focus and sharpness today both offensively and defensively -- we're up for this game. Now let's just keep it through four quarters!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - One factor in our focus today beside the Coach Hank/revenge thing is that a lot of our key players have Wisconsin ties. It's not a big deal for a kid from Illinois to not be recruited by NU, but for a kid in Wisconsin to not head off to Madison leaves a nice chip on his shoulder and NU has been feeding off that chip from the days of Matt Rice through today.


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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 15:33:44 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:39:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Kafka is on FIRE!!!
Message-ID: <20091121213344.67YLY.94899.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

Another Kafka to Brewer TD pass. This one was about 20 yards. Cats up 17-14.

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 15:44:29 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:44:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Did Hank take over as OC as well?
Message-ID: <867742.31776.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

A VERTICAL passing attack!!!

Some trickeration!!!

A Jeremy Ebert sighting!!!

Whatever it is, LOVE IT AND KEEP IT UP CATS!!!

-SjT


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From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 15:44:21 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:45:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <20091121214421.8D008.95005.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

Markshausen just threw a TD on a wide receiver option!!!

CATS up 24-14.


This is the team I expected all year. We are clicking in all aspects of the game. Just KEEP IT UP!!

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 15:47:21 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:47:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Who ARE these guys???
Message-ID: <105146.16336.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

A vertical passing game???

Trick plays that GO FOR THE JUGULAR on offense???

Special teams returns of 30+ yards ... a 40+ yard FG ... and now pinning Bucky deep after THEY make a special teams blunder???

I like these new, aggressive Cats.

KEEP IT UP!!!
-SjT


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From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 15:48:19 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:49:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Stupid Badgers
Message-ID: <20091121214819.I6EOB.95040.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

Return man fumbled the ball into the end zone and then thought he had to run it out. We stuffed him on the 4 yard line. Unfortunately, the next play was a 8 yard run. They are not backed up as much, but they still have a LONG field ahead of them.

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 15:52:33 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:52:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Go for the jugular!!!
Message-ID: <643169.34816.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Nice defensive series (special teams error + QB tripping over himself and a well-timed BLIIIIIIIITZ!) by the Cats.

Our ball at midfield with 3:30 to go in the half.

GO FOR IT, CATS!!! Strike while the iron's hot!!!
-SjT


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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 15:52:56 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:53:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Kafka
Message-ID: <88490.39546.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

is making this look easy. 

GO CATS!!!!!!!!!!


      

From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 15:52:34 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 15:53:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats get the ball back after a 3 and out
Message-ID: <20091121215234.SMTFZ.95078.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

....and quickly strike down field for 26 yards. This is AMAZING!!!

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 15:59:57 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 16:00:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What do we want?
Message-ID: <24076.70871.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

BADGER MEAT!!!

Six plays of 20+ yard for NU in the first half!

Not getting that 3rd and 1 before the half hurt (wish we had tried something else besides a run up the gut ... but if that's my only offensive complain of the first half, I'll take it). But nice to be up 13.

Good to see Wootton get a SACK to end the half!

27-14 NU at the half.

Lots of football left, and Bucky gets the ball after half.

Stay fired up D and keep the aggressiveness O!

LET'S GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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GO CATS!!!


      

From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 15:58:41 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 16:03:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 34 seconds in the half. NU up 27-14
Message-ID: <20091121215841.H6PJN.95133.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

Badgers get the ball to start the second half.

If we hold them to finish the half, we should be up by 13 to start the 2nd half.

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 21 16:07:39 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 16:07:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Halftime
Message-ID: <8CC390E2CCFD85C-1B60-19E83@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com>


I didn't want the First Half to end.  It could not get any better than that.  Best half we have played all year by far.  Physical, passionate, smart, creative football.  We outcoached, outplayed, and out-emotioned Wisky.  Now for 30 more minutes of that kind of 'Cat attack on both sides of the ball and on Special Teams.  Bottle this, keep it for another half, and then truck it to a bowl game!

Paul
From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 16:21:43 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Sat Nov 21 16:22:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Kafka
In-Reply-To: <88490.39546.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4b0867fe.9553f10a.68b6.ffff8a6a@mx.google.com>

I'm not even watching and can tell this is special. ?Just keep it up for one more half.


Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz@gmail.com


--sent from my Palm Pre

Jim Leonard wrote:

is making this look easy. 



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From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 16:21:59 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 16:27:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Kafka for Big Ten offensive player of the year
Message-ID: <20091121222159.OVCGY.95379.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

I was listening to the local sports radio program here in Columbus and the guys were previewing the NU UW game. They said that it featured the two front-runners for Big Ten offensive player of the year -- Kafka and Tolzien. I was surprised at this, but I guess it makes sense. If things go the same way in the 2nd as they did in the 1st, I don't think there is any question as to who wins that honor this year. I think Kafka has over 200 yards passing already in the game.

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 16:29:23 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 16:29:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Good news & bad news ...
Message-ID: <698636.35312.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The good news is that after only 23 or so rushing yards in the first half, we've turned the Badgers into a passing team after half (have the run yet?)

The bad news is that Toon & Co. are burning our secondary so far and we're getting little pressure on Tolzien.

Hope we have some defensive adjustments in there because Bucky's changed his gameplan.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 16:24:38 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 16:29:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Beginning of the second...impressions
Message-ID: <20091121222438.NBLLF.95410.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

Badgers are passing first, running second, and doing so very well.

Badgers are double-teaming Wooten on passing downs.


From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 16:30:52 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 16:35:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 1st Badger drive -- FG
Message-ID: <20091121223052.OMRAR.95479.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

Badgers went exclusively to the air to start the 2nd half. They were very successful. If it were not for a few bad passes and penalties, they would have had a TD. We were lucky to hold them to a FG. 

Now let's see what happens when we get the ball. Let the chess match begin!

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 16:39:47 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 16:39:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] About as bad a start to the half as you can have ...
Message-ID: <561624.63301.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The D comes out and gets surprised and moved on.

The O comes out lifeless and killing itself with frickin' holding calls.

And then the SPECIAL TEAMS bite us in the butt again with a poor punt and no one NEAR the UW guy on the return.

It's now 27-24 and we needed to score more than a FG before the half there!

Wake up CATS!!!
-SjT


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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 16:39:44 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 16:44:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What did I say about beating ourselves?
Message-ID: <20091121223944.DAMNU.95551.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

Multiple holding penalties to kill a drive. Punt. Return. TD. We're only up by 3 now.

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 16:49:28 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 16:49:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NO MORE FGS!!!
Message-ID: <220807.62960.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

We need six!


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sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 17:01:12 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 17:01:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] End of 3 in Evanston ...
Message-ID: <360326.33086.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Not a good third quarter, they got TDs and we got FGs.

But it ended well with a defensive sack on 3rd and down and another GREAT deeeeeeep ball by Kafka to get us in scoring range.

Get six this time Cats and let's close it out in the fourth!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 17:07:44 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 17:08:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We need the D here ...
Message-ID: <745309.71314.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

FG puts us up 33-24 ... now it's time for a Wootton fumble or McManis pick.

C'MON DEEEEEEE-FENSE!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 17:13:10 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 21 17:13:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] About as bad a start to the half as you can have ...
In-Reply-To: <561624.63301.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <561624.63301.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <904526.82865.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

This is called the Wildcat Lull. It has happened in every 3rd quarter this year. It's killing me.




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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 4:39:47 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] About as bad a start to the half as you can have ...

The D comes out and gets surprised and moved on.

The O comes out lifeless and killing itself with frickin' holding calls.

And then the SPECIAL TEAMS bite us in the butt again with a poor punt and no one NEAR the UW guy on the return.

It's now 27-24 and we needed to score more than a FG before the half there!

Wake up CATS!!!
-SjT


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 17:16:48 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 17:16:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Killing ourselves ...
Message-ID: <427285.3934.qm@web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Three penalties (false starts) on 3rd and short???

C'mon CATS!

- SjT


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sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 17:35:32 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 21 17:35:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] WOW
Message-ID: <87228.72130.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>





      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 17:43:35 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 17:43:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fummmmmmmmmble!
Message-ID: <931563.71804.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

And INTERCEPTION TO SEAL IT!!!

God bless the spirit of Ron Dayne!

CATS WIN!!! CATS WIN!!! CATS WIN!!!

As I said a few weeks ago, ANY season where you beat Iowa and/or Wisconsin -- yet along BOTH and Illinois -- is a successful one!!!

We looked great in the first half ... best all this year ... and deserved to win this game overall, but we sure tried to give it away in the second half. SIX NOT THREE!!!

Heck of a game by Kafka! If he's not All Big Ten, there's something wrong with the system.

Great job by Fitz and the staff to get ready for this game. Eight wins a year after nine wins despite losing virtually all of our offensive production from last year and having an injury-riddled season on D is impressive.

Even better, Sparty got spanked and Minny looked abysmal -- so I doubt either can make a case to jump us in bowl order.

In terms of the B(C)S, Penn State made a better case than Iowa, but either way I think we get two bids now unless something crazy happens on Championship Saturday.

Orlando here we come?! It looks like a tough draw no matter who we get, but we're definitely finishing the season on a roll after a November to Remember against our three biggest rivals.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 17:45:43 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Nov 21 17:46:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Farewell Detroit
Message-ID: <397086.806.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

But for one play at Syracuse this could be back to back 9-3 seasons. Regardless, Fitz has done one hell of a job. Any season where you beat Iowa and Wisconsin is a GREAT season. 

Victory & Honor,
Jim


      

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 21 17:49:15 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 17:49:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Farewell Detroit
Message-ID: <1491121532-1258847359-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1919908241-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

This is the best
------Original Message------
From: Jim Leonard
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Farewell Detroit
Sent: Nov 21, 2009 6:45 PM

But for one play at Syracuse this could be back to back 9-3 seasons. Regardless, Fitz has done one hell of a job. Any season where you beat Iowa and Wisconsin is a GREAT season. 

Victory & Honor,
Jim


      

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 21 17:55:33 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 17:55:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Farewell Detroit
Message-ID: <24030642-1258847730-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-430355452-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

ND lost to UCONN in OT.  Wish we could play Irish in bowl game.
------Original Message------
From: Jim Leonard
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Farewell Detroit
Sent: Nov 21, 2009 6:45 PM

But for one play at Syracuse this could be back to back 9-3 seasons. Regardless, Fitz has done one hell of a job. Any season where you beat Iowa and Wisconsin is a GREAT season. 

Victory & Honor,
Jim


      

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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Nov 21 18:01:10 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Nov 21 18:01:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
Message-ID: <E2F493E3BC1F4308992F410140170FA9@DennisMachine>

May I breathe again?  Two big plays on D in the clutch.  Kafka smooth as a baby's behind.  Phillips one nasty mutha on D.  Brewer looking unstoppable.  We actually RAN the ball!  (No, I'm not kidding, although I wish we would have run for four more yards after that fumble.)  Not a perfect game but a fine one - and damned exciting.  GO CATS!!  Now let's win a bowl game!  What would Fitz do with about a half-dozen highly talented players added to the mix?
From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Nov 21 18:02:24 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (jmccull@insight.rr.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 18:07:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CATS WIN!
Message-ID: <20091122000225.1RSJ7.96463.root@hrndva-web18-z02>

Shades of the Dayne fumble, although Wisconsin was leading at the time in that game. What a game. This was a FANTASTIC game. We held them to under 100 yards rushing, and Kafka dominated the game. This team is peaking now, as the should. I just wish they could continue playing. Yes, we get the bowl game, but that is a LONG time from now. 

Eight Wins! I predicted eight at the beginning of the season, but thought they would come against different teams. 

Great way to send off the seniors. We have a great foundation for next year, and should get a good match-up in the bowl game. The Cats should crack the top 25 this week, too.

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 21 18:15:24 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Nov 21 18:15:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 8-4 season - wow!
Message-ID: <16874503.1258848924994.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

When we lost to Syracuse and Minnesota to make our record 2-2, I have to admit I didn't think we'd finish better than 6-6. How about the rest of you? I know, expect victory and all, but be honest now. Who out there really thought we'd finish 8-4?!

Who knows? Maybe Outback would rather have us over Wisconsin, but I agree that Champs Sports seems most likely. Now, if Ok State gets extra BCS bid over Iowa or Penn State, anything's possible. Anything, that is, except Detroit!

Jim B.

From cyril at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sat Nov 21 18:23:43 2009
From: cyril at alumni.northwestern.edu (Cyril S. Ku)
Date: Sat Nov 21 18:23:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Farewell Detroit
In-Reply-To: <397086.806.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <559295.44058.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Last year we ended up 9-4 and this year we may end up with the same record, 9-4! That means we win our Bowl game!

Thank you Seniors!

GO CATS!

Cyril Ku

--- On Sat, 11/21/09, Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Farewell Detroit
> To: "Northwestern Wildcats" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Date: Saturday, November 21, 2009, 6:45 PM
> But for one play at Syracuse this
> could be back to back 9-3 seasons. Regardless, Fitz has done
> one hell of a job. Any season where you beat Iowa and
> Wisconsin is a GREAT season. 
> 
> Victory & Honor,
> Jim
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 21 18:29:54 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov 21 18:29:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Randy's last class....
Message-ID: <002f01ca6b0a$e95f1c90$bc1d55b0$@com>

This was the final year of Randy Walker's recruits.

They did Randy, NU and their new coach Fitz proud.

There were ups and downs, but now it is Pat Fitzgerald's team and the future looks bright.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
So...
     How's that "hope" and "Change"
     Working for ya?

Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
================================================




From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 21 18:45:02 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 18:45:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Press Conference
Message-ID: <8CC39242945821B-8840-8CF4@webmail-d010.sysops.aol.com>


Fitz lobbied for Kafka as Big 10 MVP and All-Big 10 QB at his press conferrence (on BTN a few minutes ago).  Then, Glenn Mason said Fitz should be BT Coach of the Year, after our 3-0 November showing.

If we can win a bowl game--please--Fitz will really be able to recruit going forward.  We are now 5-3 two years in a row in BT, which is best showing other than OSU, PSU, and,Iowa (which was 5-3 last year, too; Wisky was 3-5).  We are in the Upper Tier (or, more accurately, upper level of Middle Tier), while Michigan, Wisky, MSU and others slog around below us.  

If we go to Champs Sports Bowl, I hope to meet many of you there.  Same for Outback, if somehow we end up there, which doesn't seem likely.

Paul Levinson
From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 21 19:08:21 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 19:08:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <8CC39276B03958F-F08-110A@webmail-d024.sysops.aol.com>

"Final" BT Standings from ESPN.com (save for Non-Conf. contests:  Wisky @ Hawaii and Illinois vs. Cincy and Fresno State):


Big Ten Standings



TEAM
CONF
OVERALL

* - Ohio State
7-1
10-2

* - Iowa
6-2
10-2

* - Penn State
6-2
10-2

* - Northwestern
5-3
8-4

* - Wisconsin
5-3
8-3

* - Michigan State
4-4
6-6

x - Purdue
4-4
5-7

* - Minnesota
3-5
6-6

x - Illinois
2-6
3-7

x - Michigan
1-7
5-7

x - Indiana
1-7
4-8



Very pretty!!!!!!   Now how in the heck does RichRod explain the foregoing to his fans and alumni?  I would say that Mr. Rodriguez, as well as the Zooker, Dantonio, Brewer, and Lynch can now be classified as being, to varying degrees, on the proverbial "hot seat".  Fitz, on the other hand, can be said to be in the "driver's seat".

Paul Levinson
From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Nov 21 19:10:49 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jintsjason)
Date: Sat Nov 21 19:10:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...
Message-ID: <9C42FCF4-4FB5-4758-B79B-521BAD8B6281@me.com>

I could've gone to Tempe. Not likely Orlando.

A tradeoff I'll take any day!

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com

From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Nov 21 19:13:31 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Nov 21 19:13:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Randy's last class....
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFF2@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

What a nice note from coach Roy. Just wanted to take the opportunity to offer him kudos for reminding us all today about the significance of this year's senior class. 

Which now has the opportunity to make its place in Wildcat history that much more memorable -- by winning our bowl game!

Fear the purple!

Go Cats!!

- Alan


----- Original Message -----
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sat Nov 21 19:29:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Randy's last class....

This was the final year of Randy Walker's recruits.

They did Randy, NU and their new coach Fitz proud.

There were ups and downs, but now it is Pat Fitzgerald's team and the future looks bright.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
So...
     How's that "hope" and "Change"
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Nov 21 19:21:23 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Nov 21 19:21:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFF4@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Any one think we might go to Outback?

Wisconsin is likely to jump us a la Iowa last year, right? Would be great, though, to play on Jan. 1. 


----- Original Message -----
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To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Sat Nov 21 20:10:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...

I could've gone to Tempe. Not likely Orlando.

A tradeoff I'll take any day!

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 19:27:59 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sat Nov 21 19:29:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFF4@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFF4@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270911211727r7afd4701nfd6bffcca4fade5@mail.gmail.com>

It's possible but unlikely, especially since NU has been passed over twice
by the Outback (in 2000 in favor of OSU and last year in favor of Iowa).
I'd say that the Champs Sports Bowl is all but locked in at this point, even
if the Big Ten doesn't get 2 teams into the BCS - since Wisconsin was at the
Champs last year (and were in Orlando 3 of the last 4 years), making it
quite possible that NU would get that bid if everyone was bumped down a
spot.

But, we'll just have to wait and see at this point since we'll just have to
wait for the BCS at-large bids to be handed out on Sunday Dec. 6.

It was great to see the students rush the field after a great ending to an
8-4 season.  Note that NU is now guaranteed to have at least a .500 record
for the decade which hasn't happened in decades.

Go 'Cats!!!
Jonathan

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <
Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com> wrote:

> Any one think we might go to Outback?
>
> Wisconsin is likely to jump us a la Iowa last year, right? Would be great,
> though, to play on Jan. 1.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com <nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
> Sent: Sat Nov 21 20:10:49 2009
> Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...
>
> I could've gone to Tempe. Not likely Orlando.
>
> A tradeoff I'll take any day!
>
> Jason Singer
> jason@jasonsinger.com
>
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Nov 21 20:10:45 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 20:11:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
In-Reply-To: <E2F493E3BC1F4308992F410140170FA9@DennisMachine>
References: <E2F493E3BC1F4308992F410140170FA9@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <8CC393022C4BD32-3390-FA93@webmail-m028.sysops.aol.com>

Home Boy,  There HAD to be some some stud recruits at the game today.  ek



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:01 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!


May I breathe again?  Two big plays on D in the clutch.  Kafka smooth as a 
aby's behind.  Phillips one nasty mutha on D.  Brewer looking unstoppable.  We 
ctually RAN the ball!  (No, I'm not kidding, although I wish we would have run 
or four more yards after that fumble.)  Not a perfect game but a fine one - and 
amned exciting.  GO CATS!!  Now let's win a bowl game!  What would Fitz do with 
bout a half-dozen highly talented players added to the mix?
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 21 20:15:01 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 20:15:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
Message-ID: <191585225-1258856119-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1046814794-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Watching student body swarm field after game
------Original Message------
From: WildElk2@aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: tbng@comcast.net
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
Sent: Nov 21, 2009 9:10 PM

Home Boy,  There HAD to be some some stud recruits at the game today.  ek



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:01 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!


May I breathe again?  Two big plays on D in the clutch.  Kafka smooth as a 
aby's behind.  Phillips one nasty mutha on D.  Brewer looking unstoppable.  We 
ctually RAN the ball!  (No, I'm not kidding, although I wish we would have run 
or four more yards after that fumble.)  Not a perfect game but a fine one - and 
amned exciting.  GO CATS!!  Now let's win a bowl game!  What would Fitz do with 
bout a half-dozen highly talented players added to the mix?
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Nov 21 20:28:23 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 20:28:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Randy's last class....
In-Reply-To: <002f01ca6b0a$e95f1c90$bc1d55b0$@com>
References: <002f01ca6b0a$e95f1c90$bc1d55b0$@com>
Message-ID: <8CC3932993884E2-2F10-12D59@webmail-m046.sysops.aol.com>



  Good point, Roy, pointing out that this was RW's seniors.  As far as the game goes, it was clear that Hankwitz wanted to stop the run, as this was the only way we would win.  He was right.
   I'll share a story, for the second time on our list, that certainly bares repeating. I was on a cruise in January, only to become chilled by the fact that this was "The Hawkeye Cruise", an annual event in which the coaches and 200-300 ardent Hawkeye supporters attend.
   Anyway, at poolside, I strike up a converstion with Iowa's LB coach (as well as his wife, who loves Chicago btw) , and I bring up Hankwitz getting canned by Bielema.  The word was that Bielema and Hank were never big fans of each other, and there was a major shouting match during half-time of the 2007 Outback Bowl between Hank and Bielema.
   Suffice to say, our Defensive Co-ordinator must be feeling pretty damn good right about now!  Our defense did fabulous; allowing 24 points today.  
  We're hot;  and with the teams I see on our bowl horizon,  I think we'll finally break through.  And I must confess, I was one of those who said the best we'd be was 6-6 and Detroit; I said that in August and certainly in early October.  Now I'm predicting a rousing Wildcat win in Orlando.
  Good on our team who kept working to get better!    GO CATS!!!          Eric
  


-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:29 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Randy's last class....


This was the final year of Randy Walker's recruits.
They did Randy, NU and their new coach Fitz proud.
There were ups and downs, but now it is Pat Fitzgerald's team and the future 
ooks bright.
rsl
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
oy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
omputer Applications & Support Associates
------------------- Also ----------------------
ommissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
etired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
orthwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
hi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
ublisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
o...
    How's that "hope" and "Change"
    Working for ya?
Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 21 20:33:59 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Nov 21 20:34:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Randy's last class....
Message-ID: <9957043.1258857239195.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Actually, wouldn't Randy's last class be those who began at NU in the fall of 2006 (RW passed away in June of that year)? He would have already recruited them, and they would have committed to NU that spring, while Walker was still alive. Most of them then redshirted in the 2006 season, as is custom. Thus, those players' 4th year of eligibility would actually be next year.


-----Original Message-----
>From: wildelk2@aol.com
>Sent: Nov 21, 2009 9:28 PM
>To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com, nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Randy's last class....
>
>
>
>  Good point, Roy, pointing out that this was RW's seniors.  As far as the game goes, it was clear that Hankwitz wanted to stop the run, as this was the only way we would win.  He was right.
>   I'll share a story, for the second time on our list, that certainly bares repeating. I was on a cruise in January, only to become chilled by the fact that this was "The Hawkeye Cruise", an annual event in which the coaches and 200-300 ardent Hawkeye supporters attend.
>   Anyway, at poolside, I strike up a converstion with Iowa's LB coach (as well as his wife, who loves Chicago btw) , and I bring up Hankwitz getting canned by Bielema.  The word was that Bielema and Hank were never big fans of each other, and there was a major shouting match during half-time of the 2007 Outback Bowl between Hank and Bielema.
>   Suffice to say, our Defensive Co-ordinator must be feeling pretty damn good right about now!  Our defense did fabulous; allowing 24 points today.  
>  We're hot;  and with the teams I see on our bowl horizon,  I think we'll finally break through.  And I must confess, I was one of those who said the best we'd be was 6-6 and Detroit; I said that in August and certainly in early October.  Now I'm predicting a rousing Wildcat win in Orlando.
>  Good on our team who kept working to get better!    GO CATS!!!          Eric
>  
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:29 pm
>Subject: [NU Sports] Randy's last class....
>
>
>This was the final year of Randy Walker's recruits.
>They did Randy, NU and their new coach Fitz proud.
>There were ups and downs, but now it is Pat Fitzgerald's team and the future 
>ooks bright.
>rsl
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>oy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
>omputer Applications & Support Associates
>------------------- Also ----------------------
>ommissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
>etired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
>orthwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
>hi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
>ublisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
>=========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
>o...
>    How's that "hope" and "Change"
>    Working for ya?
>Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
>===============================================
>
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Nov 21 21:19:23 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Sat Nov 21 21:19:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Farewell Detroit
In-Reply-To: <397086.806.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <397086.806.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Ugh! Some of you! I told you two weeks ago there was no possibility of us
going to Detroit. As thought, there will be only seven BT teams who are
bowl-eligible, which likely means Detroit will not get any Big Ten teams and
have to take some Troy-ish at large.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:

> But for one play at Syracuse this could be back to back 9-3 seasons.
> Regardless, Fitz has done one hell of a job. Any season where you beat Iowa
> and Wisconsin is a GREAT season.
>
> Victory & Honor,
> Jim
>
>
>
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 21 22:51:58 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 21 22:52:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...
Message-ID: <cda.57ab48d2.383a1d6e@aol.com>

I had to go to a freaking black tie party tonight and just got back to  
watch the 4th quarter, our cardiac CATS did it, three in a row, welcome all to  
Orlando or Tampa, what a great last half of a season.  I think we win a  
bowl right here in O'town. Brats and beer not here this year, sorry bad  
Badgers.
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 21 23:21:16 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 21 23:21:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Evening report ...
Message-ID: <687957.54123.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Great day of football ... who needs these silly league title games when you have games like Iowa/OSU last week and Oregon/Arizona this week (and Oregon/OSU later)?! Heck, most of the time the two best teams aren't even in these league "championship" games and in the ACC's case, a good high school football game outdraws 'em in the state of Florida!

I dunno about you, but I'm starting to like the tradition of finishing the season under the lights in Evanston with a big win over a rival to secure a better bowl game. Those purple helmets looked sharp vs. Illinois last year and great again this year. We had a November to Remember with HUGE wins over our three biggest rivals, two upsets over ranked teams. Aside from an injury-hampered game against PSU, we've finished the year strong and hopefully can carry that momentum into a bowl game.

Where we go is still up for grabs, I guess. Orlando seems most likely, but if Wisky has a sluggish showing against Hawaii, THE OUTBACK FOLKS OWE US ONE (AT LEAST)! The SEC foe in Tampa might be a better draw than the ACC one in Orlando. But who cares? We're bowling again and Fitz has done an outstanding job this season.

Latest bowl picture guess ...

TITLE: Florida vs. Texas
- The Horns are looking hot and the Gators will Tebow Bama to death

ROSE: Ohio State vs. Oregon
- Should be one heck of a game! But both teams must get their uniforms checked before hand (ditto for Musburger's tie choice) by fashionistas

SUGAR: Alabama vs. Cincinnati
- Yawn #1 for Fox - Go Bearcats!

ORANGE: Georgia Tech vs. TCU
- Yawn #2 for Fox - two well-coached teams

FIESTA: Iowa vs. Boise State
- Yawn #3 for Fox - but it could be a pretty good game

CITRUS: Penn State vs. LSU
- Could be a good matchup of Ds with suspect offenses

OUTBACK: Wisconsin vs. Tennessee
- Again, I like the matchup for the Big Ten

CHAMPS: Northwestern vs. North Carolina
- The Heels are hot and beat Miami ... but we're hot as well

ALAMO: Michigan State vs. Texas Tech
- Two teams where you never know which one will show up

INSIGHT: Minnesota vs. Missouri
- Can they battle for Floyd of Iowa?

Thank you seniors and thank you coaching staff for a terrific season. We knew it would be hard at the start losing most of our offense and when we started 2-2 and had all the defensive injuries, it didn't look good. But you fought back for a fantastic finish for a second straight 5-3 season and a 4th place finish in the Big Ten. Now let's get that bowl win!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT



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GO CATS!!!


      

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Nov 22 00:11:50 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 22 00:12:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Evening report ...
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You are not kidding.   What a day !  NU pulls off the upset.  Cal stanford game is one for the ages and ND loses at home in what has to be weis' last game at the golden dome. Throw in an amazing finish between oregon and arizona and you have a clue why pro footbal doesn't hold a candle to college ball

Harry
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Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:21:16 
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Evening report ...

Great day of football ... who needs these silly league title games when you have games like Iowa/OSU last week and Oregon/Arizona this week (and Oregon/OSU later)?! Heck, most of the time the two best teams aren't even in these league "championship" games and in the ACC's case, a good high school football game outdraws 'em in the state of Florida!

I dunno about you, but I'm starting to like the tradition of finishing the season under the lights in Evanston with a big win over a rival to secure a better bowl game. Those purple helmets looked sharp vs. Illinois last year and great again this year. We had a November to Remember with HUGE wins over our three biggest rivals, two upsets over ranked teams. Aside from an injury-hampered game against PSU, we've finished the year strong and hopefully can carry that momentum into a bowl game.

Where we go is still up for grabs, I guess. Orlando seems most likely, but if Wisky has a sluggish showing against Hawaii, THE OUTBACK FOLKS OWE US ONE (AT LEAST)! The SEC foe in Tampa might be a better draw than the ACC one in Orlando. But who cares? We're bowling again and Fitz has done an outstanding job this season.

Latest bowl picture guess ...

TITLE: Florida vs. Texas
- The Horns are looking hot and the Gators will Tebow Bama to death

ROSE: Ohio State vs. Oregon
- Should be one heck of a game! But both teams must get their uniforms checked before hand (ditto for Musburger's tie choice) by fashionistas

SUGAR: Alabama vs. Cincinnati
- Yawn #1 for Fox - Go Bearcats!

ORANGE: Georgia Tech vs. TCU
- Yawn #2 for Fox - two well-coached teams

FIESTA: Iowa vs. Boise State
- Yawn #3 for Fox - but it could be a pretty good game

CITRUS: Penn State vs. LSU
- Could be a good matchup of Ds with suspect offenses

OUTBACK: Wisconsin vs. Tennessee
- Again, I like the matchup for the Big Ten

CHAMPS: Northwestern vs. North Carolina
- The Heels are hot and beat Miami ... but we're hot as well

ALAMO: Michigan State vs. Texas Tech
- Two teams where you never know which one will show up

INSIGHT: Minnesota vs. Missouri
- Can they battle for Floyd of Iowa?

Thank you seniors and thank you coaching staff for a terrific season. We knew it would be hard at the start losing most of our offense and when we started 2-2 and had all the defensive injuries, it didn't look good. But you fought back for a fantastic finish for a second straight 5-3 season and a 4th place finish in the Big Ten. Now let's get that bowl win!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT



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From dpenderg at aol.com  Sun Nov 22 06:38:17 2009
From: dpenderg at aol.com (dpenderg@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 22 06:38:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
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Under the lights with the student body storming the field and a large visiting crowd -- also in red -- sitting in stunned silence, the electrifying atmosphere was very reminiscent of another evening six years ago when NU upset Ohio State.  I think this one is in fact even more rewarding.  That year OSU was young and overrated and the game was early in the season. So much on the line against a very good Badger team yesterday and the Cats stayed in there when it appeared Wisconsin was coming back.  A Cat Classic! 



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Watching student body swarm field after game
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Home Boy,  There HAD to be some some stud recruits at the game today.  ek

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ay I breathe again?  Two big plays on D in the clutch.  Kafka smooth as a 
by's behind.  Phillips one nasty mutha on D.  Brewer looking unstoppable.  We 
tually RAN the ball!  (No, I'm not kidding, although I wish we would have run 
r four more yards after that fumble.)  Not a perfect game but a fine one - and 
mned exciting.  GO CATS!!  Now let's win a bowl game!  What would Fitz do with 
out a half-dozen highly talented players added to the mix?
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Nov 22 07:26:09 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Nov 22 07:26:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
Message-ID: <68F881CB91464FB898E18F93F40669A8@DennisMachine>

Sorry.  Didn't see any.  Just well coached, pretty good players working their hearts out.  I yearn to see well coached, really talented players playing their hearts out and beating Ohio State 35 - 10 in Columbus.  A few of them this season, and we would be undefeated.

  How's the air conditioning business going?  Slow, I imagine.  I'll have my next book hitting the Alibris and Amazon book shelves within two weeks, and this one is affordable.  Look for Shattering the Truth: The Slandering of Abraham Lincoln.
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    Home Boy,  There HAD to be some some stud recruits at the game today.  ek



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May I breathe again?  Two big plays on D in the clutch.  Kafka smooth as a 
baby's behind.  Phillips one nasty mutha on D.  Brewer looking unstoppable.  We 
actually RAN the ball!  (No, I'm not kidding, although I wish we would have run 
for four more yards after that fumble.)  Not a perfect game but a fine one - and 
damned exciting.  GO CATS!!  Now let's win a bowl game!  What would Fitz do with 
about a half-dozen highly talented players added to the mix?
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov 22 13:10:23 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 22 13:10:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] AP Poll Out
Message-ID: <8CC39BE935E4644-3DD0-24783@webmail-d071.sysops.aol.com>


We only got 3 votes.  Still not getting any respect.  Stanford fell out, and is now highest ranked among "Others Receiving Votes", and we knocked Wisky into that category as well.

We got 13 votes in the USA Today Poll (which I believe is the Coaches Poll).

http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings

Paul Levinson

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 13:21:35 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov 22 13:22:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] AP Poll Out
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Note that NO four loss teams are in the top 25 of either the AP or Coaches'
Polls this week.  It's not that surprising that NU didn't get in since there
are a slew of 3 loss teams that are either in or are waiting.

IF NU win its bowl game against what should be a decent opponent (especially
in the Champs, where NU will likely face VT, UNC, or Miami) then maybe NU
can make the final poll for the first time since following the 1996 season.

Jonathan

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 1:10 PM, <neonrye@aol.com> wrote:

>
> We only got 3 votes.  Still not getting any respect.  Stanford fell out,
> and is now highest ranked among "Others Receiving Votes", and we knocked
> Wisky into that category as well.
>
> We got 13 votes in the USA Today Poll (which I believe is the Coaches
> Poll).
>
> http://espn.go.com/college-football/rankings
>
> Paul Levinson
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Sun Nov 22 15:50:47 2009
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 22 15:51:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...
Message-ID: <c26.6c4086ae.383b0c37@aol.com>

Below is an excerpt from the Wisconsin State Journal that appeared in  
today's edition. Any thoughts,
comments, observations?
Don Williams C55
 
"The bowl picture may not have changed quite  so much. If the Big Ten gets 
two teams in the Bowl Championship series, which  seems likely with Ohio 
State and Iowa, the Badgers still could be headed to the  Outback Bowl in 
Tampa, Fla. 
Even though the Wildcats (8-4) won the  head-to-head matchup, the Badgers 
would probably go one spot higher in the bowl  pecking order. That?s because 
the Champs Sports Bowl in Orlando, Fla., picks  next and the Badgers played 
there last season. 
If the Big Ten only gets one team in the  BCS, the Badgers would probably 
drop to the Alamo Bowl in San Antonio,  Texas, with Northwestern still likely 
going to the  Champs.
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Nov 22 16:00:24 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 22 16:01:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...
Message-ID: <c89.53e7da50.383b0e78@aol.com>

I think we get the Champs, there was some complaining about Wisconsin last  
year from my friends in Citrus Sports since Whisky had been to Orlando 3 
out of  the last 4 years, 2 in a row at the Capital One and they did not show 
up for the  Champs.  My informal research is usually observation at Disney 
as I usually  go a lot during the holidays and I did not see as many Badgers 
as usual for a  big ten team.
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 16:15:04 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov 22 16:15:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...
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For one, the Outback probably cares less what the bowls below it (Champs &
Alamo, in particular) think about what options they have left.  The bowls
are really only concerned with making money themselves while staying within
the bounds of their contracts with the affiliated conferences.  Given that,
I bet they don't care if Wisconsin went to the Champs last year.

BUT, we all know that the Outback just plain doesn't like NU (I won't go
into the details of the 2000 and 2008 situations again).  Wisconsin has been
to the Outback twice in the past five years (most recently following the
2007 season) but I imagine that the Outback would snatch them up again.  At
least this year they'll have somewhat of an excuse assuming Wisconsin beats
Hawaii in two weeks, meaning that UW will have a 9-3 record to NU's 8-4.

IF the Big Ten somehow doesn't get a BCS at-large berth (very unlikely) and
it's between NU and Wisconsin for the Champs Sports Bowl berth, I could see
NU getting the nod there, since, as you mentioned, UW has been to Orlando in
3 of the last 4 years, including the Champs last year.

Jonathan

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:50 PM, <AJWDBW@aol.com> wrote:

>  Below is an excerpt from the Wisconsin State Journal that appeared in
> today's edition. Any thoughts,
> comments, observations?
> Don Williams C55
>
> "The bowl picture may not have changed quite so much. If the Big Ten gets
> two teams in the Bowl Championship series, which seems likely with Ohio
> State and Iowa, the Badgers still could be headed to the Outback Bowl in
> Tampa, Fla.
>
> Even though the Wildcats (8-4) won the head-to-head matchup, the Badgers
> would probably go one spot higher in the bowl pecking order. That?s because
> the Champs Sports Bowl in Orlando, Fla., picks next and the Badgers played
> there last season.
>
> If the Big Ten only gets one team in the BCS, the Badgers would probably
> drop to the Alamo Bowl in San Antonio, Texas, with Northwestern still
> likely going to the Champs.
>
From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Sun Nov 22 18:20:12 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Sun Nov 22 18:23:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Angry Fitz...
Message-ID: <20091122.182012.7825.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

Anybody read the post-game quotes
http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/112109aai.html
and get the impression that Fitz was a bit angry.

"...something we need to get over to eliminate all the naysayers and the negativity toward our program, and obviously to represent the great Big Ten Conference the way we want it to be talked about and represented throughout the nation."

This is just one example.

Question:  Who is the big naysayer?
Answer:  Harbaugh

I believe there is major bad blood between them.  I truly think that the game vs. them in '11 will be ugly assuming Harbaugh is still there.  I think Fitz experiences Harbaugh's whispering campaign in every home he visits and is just plain sick of it.  Recruiting against the rest of the big ten it is easier to contrast between us and them.  If the recruit(and parents) are not interested in academics they are not right for us anyway, but with Stanford it gets muddy.  When it goes beyond weather(SF vs. Chicago) and involves half-truths and disparaging comments it really drags both programs through the mud.

My new goal for Northwestern.  Back to the Rose Bowl before Stanford makes it!




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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 18:45:57 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov 22 18:46:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Angry Fitz...
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I think that the comments were more targeted at the media, who has either
ignored NU (see the Trib today, which has focused on an ND team that is 6-5
and fading fast) or outwardly dissed NU (see O'Donnell's article in the
Sun-Times last week).  He later went on to discuss how NU makes a good bowl
team and directs the media to AD Phillips for the details (NU does show up
much better for bowl games than home games in terms of attendance).

Hopefully NU's consistent winning ways will help turn around both the lack
of media attention and the attendance issue (by the way, the average
attendance this season was the lowest in modern history, coming in at
24,190, just under the 2007 number).

Jonathan

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 6:20 PM, mlinhardt@netzero.com <
mlinhardt@netzero.com> wrote:

> Anybody read the post-game quotes
> http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/112109aai.html
> and get the impression that Fitz was a bit angry.
>
> "...something we need to get over to eliminate all the naysayers and the
> negativity toward our program, and obviously to represent the great Big Ten
> Conference the way we want it to be talked about and represented throughout
> the nation."
>
> This is just one example.
>
> Question:  Who is the big naysayer?
> Answer:  Harbaugh
>
> I believe there is major bad blood between them.  I truly think that the
> game vs. them in '11 will be ugly assuming Harbaugh is still there.  I think
> Fitz experiences Harbaugh's whispering campaign in every home he visits and
> is just plain sick of it.  Recruiting against the rest of the big ten it is
> easier to contrast between us and them.  If the recruit(and parents) are not
> interested in academics they are not right for us anyway, but with Stanford
> it gets muddy.  When it goes beyond weather(SF vs. Chicago) and involves
> half-truths and disparaging comments it really drags both programs through
> the mud.
>
> My new goal for Northwestern.  Back to the Rose Bowl before Stanford makes
> it!
>
>
>
>
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 21:05:30 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Sun Nov 22 21:05:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl
Message-ID: <223fce250911221905m3ba31804q6460f7f5679fc622@mail.gmail.com>

Although I still tend to think we'll end up in the Champs Sports Bowl,
ESPN's Bruce Feldman is projecting us in the Outback, the first projection
for Tampa that I have seen:

http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections

Mark

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 21:16:20 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov 22 21:17:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl
In-Reply-To: <223fce250911221905m3ba31804q6460f7f5679fc622@mail.gmail.com>
References: <223fce250911221905m3ba31804q6460f7f5679fc622@mail.gmail.com>
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In the past, Schlabach and Feldman's projections haven't been that
reliable.  The most accurate projection I've found has been Rittenberg
(ESPN's Big Ten blogger) since he knows the selection rules in and out and
has been fairly accurate before.

One note about Feldman, who puts NU and Auburn in the Outback, is that an
SEC east team has been in that bowl for the last 12 consecutive years
(Auburn is in the SEC west).  The Outback and Cotton bowls share the SEC #3
pick and typically the Outback picks a team from the east and the Cotton
picks one from the west.

In any case I think the consensus says it'll be NU to the Champs, and it
will be interesting who the opponent is (it could range from the loser of
the ACC championship: Clemson vs. Georgia Tech, to UNC, Virginia Tech, or
Miami).  I guess we'll scour the internet for anything we can get until then
and wait for the actual pairings to be announced just 2 weeks from now.

Jonathan

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:

> Although I still tend to think we'll end up in the Champs Sports Bowl,
> ESPN's Bruce Feldman is projecting us in the Outback, the first projection
> for Tampa that I have seen:
>
> http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections
>
> Mark
>
> Mark S. Ament
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From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 22 22:34:26 2009
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Sun Nov 22 22:34:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl
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Seems like the Champs bowl seems most likely - whether the Big Ten gets two BCS teams or not.

If two, Citrus gets the leftover between Iowa and PSU.? It's between us and Wisconsin for the Outback, with the other team going to the Champs.? History suggests the Outback doesn't want us, and it's widely assumed the Champs doesn't want Wisconsin because the Badgers were there last year.? So the Outback takes Wisconsin and the Champs takes the Cats.

If it's just OSU in the BCS, then Iowa and PSU go to the Citrus and Outback in some order.? Then it's us and Wisconsin for the Champs and Alamo.? The Badgers were at the Champs last year and we were at the Alamo last year.? So it's almost certain we'd swap this year.

So here's the question - given that we're probably ending up at the Champs either way, would the Bowl Committee ever consider inviting us earlier than two weeks from now to give more fans a chance to plan ahead and come?? And if so, would NU accept or hold out hope for the Outback?

-- Ben



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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl

In the past, Schlabach and Feldman's projections haven't been that
reliable.? The most accurate projection I've found has been Rittenberg
(ESPN's Big Ten blogger) since he knows the selection rules in and out and
has been fairly accurate before.

One note about Feldman, who puts NU and Auburn in the Outback, is that an
SEC east team has been in that bowl for the last 12 consecutive years
(Auburn is in the SEC west).? The Outback and Cotton bowls share the SEC #3
pick and typically the Outback picks a team from the east and the Cotton
picks one from the west.

In any case I think the consensus says it'll be NU to the Champs, and it
will be interesting who the opponent is (it could range from the loser of
the ACC championship: Clemson vs. Georgia Tech, to UNC, Virginia Tech, or
Miami).? I guess we'll scour the internet for anything we can get until then
and wait for the actual pairings to be announced just 2 weeks from now.

Jonathan

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:

> Although I still tend to think we'll end up in the Champs Sports Bowl,
> ESPN's Bruce Feldman is projecting us in the Outback, the first projection
> for Tampa that I have seen:
>
> http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections
>
> Mark
>
> Mark S. Ament
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Nov 22 22:49:39 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Nov 22 22:50:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl
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It's becoming less and less common for bowls affiliated with BCS conferences
to dole out bids early since so much is dependent on who gets the at-large
bids.  Technically, a bowl can "release" a team from consideration, so if
the Outback formally released NU and the Champs knew they wouldn't take
Wisconsin, then NU could get a bid.  I doubt that will happen, though, since
most of the formal decision-making meetings with the bowl folks are during
the week/weekend leading up to the announcement on Dec. 6, and the bowls
will likely want to keep their options open in case anything weird happens
above them.

Jonathan

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Seems like the Champs bowl seems most likely - whether the Big Ten gets two
> BCS teams or not.
>
> If two, Citrus gets the leftover between Iowa and PSU.  It's between us and
> Wisconsin for the Outback, with the other team going to the Champs.  History
> suggests the Outback doesn't want us, and it's widely assumed the Champs
> doesn't want Wisconsin because the Badgers were there last year.  So the
> Outback takes Wisconsin and the Champs takes the Cats.
>
> If it's just OSU in the BCS, then Iowa and PSU go to the Citrus and Outback
> in some order.  Then it's us and Wisconsin for the Champs and Alamo.  The
> Badgers were at the Champs last year and we were at the Alamo last year.  So
> it's almost certain we'd swap this year.
>
> So here's the question - given that we're probably ending up at the Champs
> either way, would the Bowl Committee ever consider inviting us earlier than
> two weeks from now to give more fans a chance to plan ahead and come?  And
> if so, would NU accept or hold out hope for the Outback?
>
> -- Ben
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
> To: Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 7:16:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl
>
> In the past, Schlabach and Feldman's projections haven't been that
> reliable.  The most accurate projection I've found has been Rittenberg
> (ESPN's Big Ten blogger) since he knows the selection rules in and out and
> has been fairly accurate before.
>
> One note about Feldman, who puts NU and Auburn in the Outback, is that an
> SEC east team has been in that bowl for the last 12 consecutive years
> (Auburn is in the SEC west).  The Outback and Cotton bowls share the SEC #3
> pick and typically the Outback picks a team from the east and the Cotton
> picks one from the west.
>
> In any case I think the consensus says it'll be NU to the Champs, and it
> will be interesting who the opponent is (it could range from the loser of
> the ACC championship: Clemson vs. Georgia Tech, to UNC, Virginia Tech, or
> Miami).  I guess we'll scour the internet for anything we can get until
> then
> and wait for the actual pairings to be announced just 2 weeks from now.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Although I still tend to think we'll end up in the Champs Sports Bowl,
> > ESPN's Bruce Feldman is projecting us in the Outback, the first
> projection
> > for Tampa that I have seen:
> >
> > http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Mark S. Ament
> > sportsbiz@gmail.com
> > SportsBiz - The Business of Sports
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Nov 22 22:59:50 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun Nov 22 23:00:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
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If it really was just about talent, how do explain the success this group of too slow, too small, too smart, too lightly recruited kids had in November? They beat teams filled with blue chip recruits. Every team they beat has lower academic standards for their athletes. Every team they beat puts way more people in the stands than we do and probably has better facilities too.
 
Fitz believes that Northwestern can retain its standards and compete for a national championship. When asked why, he reminds people that the '95 Rose Bowl team was one loss away from being ranked #2 in the country. 
 
That's because he sees strength in what others see as weakness. He knows that it is much more about belief, desire, and team than it is about stars. He also knows it's about integrity and delivering on the promise of a meaningful degree for those who put in the work. 
 
It's his job to find the best smart football players in the country that can succeed in school and compete on the field, and then teach them how to win.
 
I can't think of a better guy.
 
I also can't think of any reason not to share his vision.
 
Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Sun 11/22/2009 8:26 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!



Sorry.  Didn't see any.  Just well coached, pretty good players working their hearts out.  I yearn to see well coached, really talented players playing their hearts out and beating Ohio State 35 - 10 in Columbus.  A few of them this season, and we would be undefeated.

  How's the air conditioning business going?  Slow, I imagine.  I'll have my next book hitting the Alibris and Amazon book shelves within two weeks, and this one is affordable.  Look for Shattering the Truth: The Slandering of Abraham Lincoln.
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    To: tbng@comcast.net ; nwu-sports@tssi.com
    Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2009 9:10 PM
    Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!


    Home Boy,  There HAD to be some some stud recruits at the game today.  ek



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
    To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
    Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:01 pm
    Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!


May I breathe again?  Two big plays on D in the clutch.  Kafka smooth as a
baby's behind.  Phillips one nasty mutha on D.  Brewer looking unstoppable.  We
actually RAN the ball!  (No, I'm not kidding, although I wish we would have run
for four more yards after that fumble.)  Not a perfect game but a fine one - and
damned exciting.  GO CATS!!  Now let's win a bowl game!  What would Fitz do with
about a half-dozen highly talented players added to the mix?
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 22 23:05:17 2009
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sun Nov 22 23:05:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl
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An early bid would potentially be of great benefit to the fans who would be travelling to the game by air.

At this time of the year, when fares are already high, being able to purchase tickets before December might get fans a lower fare.? Airfares to Orlando from Chicago are already in the $400-500 range.? They're likely to go up in the next two weeks.? For a family of 4, that's a pretty significant cost.

I'm not sure if NU still has an "official airline" (it used to be United), but the school has not negotiated any discounts for bowl travel in the past.? They have usually promoted the Alumni Association's Bowl Tour, which is also pretty costly.? Unfortunately, many supporters choose to watch the game at home, rather than incur the cost of attending the game.




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From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
To: Ben Adler <whosonfirst81@yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 10:49:39 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl

It's becoming less and less common for bowls affiliated with BCS conferences
to dole out bids early since so much is dependent on who gets the at-large
bids.? Technically, a bowl can "release" a team from consideration, so if
the Outback formally released NU and the Champs knew they wouldn't take
Wisconsin, then NU could get a bid.? I doubt that will happen, though, since
most of the formal decision-making meetings with the bowl folks are during
the week/weekend leading up to the announcement on Dec. 6, and the bowls
will likely want to keep their options open in case anything weird happens
above them.

Jonathan

On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Ben Adler <whosonfirst81@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Seems like the Champs bowl seems most likely - whether the Big Ten gets two
> BCS teams or not.
>
> If two, Citrus gets the leftover between Iowa and PSU.? It's between us and
> Wisconsin for the Outback, with the other team going to the Champs.? History
> suggests the Outback doesn't want us, and it's widely assumed the Champs
> doesn't want Wisconsin because the Badgers were there last year.? So the
> Outback takes Wisconsin and the Champs takes the Cats.
>
> If it's just OSU in the BCS, then Iowa and PSU go to the Citrus and Outback
> in some order.? Then it's us and Wisconsin for the Champs and Alamo.? The
> Badgers were at the Champs last year and we were at the Alamo last year.? So
> it's almost certain we'd swap this year.
>
> So here's the question - given that we're probably ending up at the Champs
> either way, would the Bowl Committee ever consider inviting us earlier than
> two weeks from now to give more fans a chance to plan ahead and come?? And
> if so, would NU accept or hold out hope for the Outback?
>
> -- Ben
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
> To: Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Sun, November 22, 2009 7:16:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl
>
> In the past, Schlabach and Feldman's projections haven't been that
> reliable.? The most accurate projection I've found has been Rittenberg
> (ESPN's Big Ten blogger) since he knows the selection rules in and out and
> has been fairly accurate before.
>
> One note about Feldman, who puts NU and Auburn in the Outback, is that an
> SEC east team has been in that bowl for the last 12 consecutive years
> (Auburn is in the SEC west).? The Outback and Cotton bowls share the SEC #3
> pick and typically the Outback picks a team from the east and the Cotton
> picks one from the west.
>
> In any case I think the consensus says it'll be NU to the Champs, and it
> will be interesting who the opponent is (it could range from the loser of
> the ACC championship: Clemson vs. Georgia Tech, to UNC, Virginia Tech, or
> Miami).? I guess we'll scour the internet for anything we can get until
> then
> and wait for the actual pairings to be announced just 2 weeks from now.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Although I still tend to think we'll end up in the Champs Sports Bowl,
> > ESPN's Bruce Feldman is projecting us in the Outback, the first
> projection
> > for Tampa that I have seen:
> >
> > http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Mark S. Ament
> > sportsbiz@gmail.com
> > SportsBiz - The Business of Sports
> > Illuminated<http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com>
> > When it comes to sports, you know it's all about the money
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Nov 23 05:32:28 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Nov 23 05:32:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
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Re: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!<If it really was just about talent, how do explain the success this group of too slow, too small, too smart, too lightly recruited kids had in November? They beat teams filled with blue chip recruits. Every team they beat has lower academic standards for their athletes. Every team they beat puts way more people in the stands than we do and probably has better facilities too.

Athletic competition isn't about talent?  That will come as a shock to every coach in the world.  You have a David syndrome.  Everyone loves to see underdog David put it to big, nasty Goliath.  Problem is, Goliath wins 98% of the time.  As I said in my original e-mail on this topic, the NU football team is staffed by "well coached, pretty good players working their hearts out."  Last time I checked, that was a complimentt  In NU football history, "pretty good" has been a rarity, so it looks good by comparison.  We will win more games yet with well coached, HIGHLY TALENTED players working their hearts out.  We cannot rely on the 1995 dream team as an end-all standard.  That was our Goliath year, and you don't get many of them.  Fitz clearly has recruited better talent.  If he hadn't, we would have been 2 - 9 this season.  He just as clearly needs to continue the climb up the talent pool if we are to be a contender every season.  I don't question that is his intent, nor do I doubt that if he had an interested stud running back on the academic cusp, he would fight like hell to get him.  The way to build a fan base and draw more press coverage is to enter every season as a strong BCS contender.  In other words, EXPECT VICTORY in reality, not just as a rah-rah slogan.  If we don't, why set foot on the football field?  I have no doubt Fitz would agree.

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Nov 23 08:08:34 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Nov 23 08:09:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Northeastern cuts football
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 http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/football/articles/2009/11/23/northeastern_calls_an_end_to_football?mode=PF

(recall that the Wildcats beat Northeastern at Evanston two years ago )

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov 23 09:13:32 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Nov 23 09:13:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
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If you are speaking in the Biblical context, yes I am a fan of David.
The point of that story was that you don't have to become Goliath in
order to defeat him.

The same thing is true here at Northwestern.  We don't have to become
Ohio State in order to beat them.

That was also the point of my previous post.  Competition isn't only
about raw ability, otherwise why play the game?  You can just have
everyone pull out their Rivals ratings, add them up, and the group with
the higher score gets the W.  I understand that this is a difficult
concept for you to gasp, but it is not theoretical.  You only have to
look at the results.  At least in the case of Northwestern, Goliath does
not win 98% of the time.

I suggest that the secret to NU's success is our belief that team play
can overcome individual weakness. 

As far as your compliment - "well coached, pretty good players working
their hearts out"; it has a hint of condescension, particularly in the
context of this discussion about "talent".  Perhaps that was unintended,
but the subtext I read was "pretty good players but you're still no Ohio
State".  I disagree.  The way this team is playing right now, if Ohio
State were on the schedule next week, we'd beat them too.

To that end, what Fitz IS saying is that the '95 season is his
expectation for every team every year.  It just depends on how hard the
players and staff are willing to work and how much of themselves are
they willing to invest in becoming a team that believes it can win.  

National Championships are catching lightening in a bottle for everyone.
In the past ten years (BCS era), OSU is the only BT team with a NC in
2003.  From 1989 - 1999, Michigan was the only BT team and they shared
that title with Nebraska in 1997.  But you can bet that winning a NC is
one of the goals of OSU every year, why is it any less realistic for NU?

Jeff



 


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:32 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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Re: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!<If it really was just about talent,
how do explain the success this group of too slow, too small, too smart,
too lightly recruited kids had in November? They beat teams filled with
blue chip recruits. Every team they beat has lower academic standards
for their athletes. Every team they beat puts way more people in the
stands than we do and probably has better facilities too.

Athletic competition isn't about talent?  That will come as a shock to
every coach in the world.  You have a David syndrome.  Everyone loves to
see underdog David put it to big, nasty Goliath.  Problem is, Goliath
wins 98% of the time.  As I said in my original e-mail on this topic,
the NU football team is staffed by "well coached, pretty good players
working their hearts out."  Last time I checked, that was a complimentt
In NU football history, "pretty good" has been a rarity, so it looks
good by comparison.  We will win more games yet with well coached,
HIGHLY TALENTED players working their hearts out.  We cannot rely on the
1995 dream team as an end-all standard.  That was our Goliath year, and
you don't get many of them.  Fitz clearly has recruited better talent.
If he hadn't, we would have been 2 - 9 this season.  He just as clearly
needs to continue the climb up the talent pool if we are to be a
contender every season.  I don't question that is his intent, nor do I
doubt that if he had an interested stud running back on the academic
cusp, he would fight like hell to get him.  The way to build a fan base
and draw more press coverage is to enter every season as a strong BCS
contender.  In other words, EXPECT VICTORY in reality, not just as a
rah-rah slogan.  If we don't, why set foot on the football field?  I
have no doubt Fitz would agree.

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 09:34:00 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov 23 09:35:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
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One thing that is missing from both of your arguments is player development
in college.  Raw talent is one thing, and that's the primary input for the
"star ratings" since it's usually pretty easy to spot college-level talent
at the high school level and players can get by on that raw talent alone.
The thing is, those star ratings are based on the opinions of a select few,
none of which have actually seen enough of these players in person to make a
good comparison.  What you end up with is a bunch of players who have
collegiate talent but are broken into tiers (2-5 stars) based on the opinion
of some scouts, some video, stats - a lot of which are based on how they
have translated that talent into the game of football during high school
(when they are 16-18 years old).

College is a place where people develop academically and socially, and
athletically is no different.  Much of the development of football players
comes in college where they hit the weight room full time, get coached up
more than they ever were in high school, and start to reach the height of
physical development.  Good coaches and staffs take that raw talent and
develop/coach them into good football players no matter how many stars they
came in with.

The traditional "football powers" can reload so easily because they either
bring in recruits who are ahead of the curve in their development and have
more football skills than others as underclassmen or are close enough to be
developed quickly.  Yes, there are really special athletes who can come in
and set the world on fire, but there aren't as many of them as the star
ratings make it seem.

Everyone else must bring in a bunch of average-development level guys and
develop them as quickly as possible.  I believe this is a piece that Coach
Walker did well at NU, bringing in relatively unheralded recruits and
developing them to get consistent results on the field (see the '03-'05
seasons and even some recent years under Fitz with Walker recruits
playing).  Fitz looks like he will continue this trend, and he's helped by
the fact that he was one of those recruits that wasn't highly sough-after
but was the best defensive player in the nation two years running.

I believe Fitz is bringing in a few more polished recruits, which definitely
helps with a roster limited by 85 scholarships meaning that every team needs
to play underclassmen, but overall the talent level is there for NU to
compete.  The key is developing a team of guys who can beat other teams on
par with NU and play the teams with "better talent" close.

One telling stat is the close games that NU has won - meaning that all of
that preparation has helped NU beat a team that is on par with the 'Cats.
NU is 24-6 in the last 30 games decided by 7 points or less, showing that
they can persevere in the end.

In summary:

You can count me in the crowd that doesn't put much stock in the star
ratings for recruits since development is what matters in the college game.
I believe Walker and now Fitz do a great job at developing players and that
makes NU competitive with anyone.  Hopefully we see that pay even more
dividends shortly.

Jonathan

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>wrote:

> If you are speaking in the Biblical context, yes I am a fan of David.
> The point of that story was that you don't have to become Goliath in
> order to defeat him.
>
> The same thing is true here at Northwestern.  We don't have to become
> Ohio State in order to beat them.
>
> That was also the point of my previous post.  Competition isn't only
> about raw ability, otherwise why play the game?  You can just have
> everyone pull out their Rivals ratings, add them up, and the group with
> the higher score gets the W.  I understand that this is a difficult
> concept for you to gasp, but it is not theoretical.  You only have to
> look at the results.  At least in the case of Northwestern, Goliath does
> not win 98% of the time.
>
> I suggest that the secret to NU's success is our belief that team play
> can overcome individual weakness.
>
> As far as your compliment - "well coached, pretty good players working
> their hearts out"; it has a hint of condescension, particularly in the
> context of this discussion about "talent".  Perhaps that was unintended,
> but the subtext I read was "pretty good players but you're still no Ohio
> State".  I disagree.  The way this team is playing right now, if Ohio
> State were on the schedule next week, we'd beat them too.
>
> To that end, what Fitz IS saying is that the '95 season is his
> expectation for every team every year.  It just depends on how hard the
> players and staff are willing to work and how much of themselves are
> they willing to invest in becoming a team that believes it can win.
>
> National Championships are catching lightening in a bottle for everyone.
> In the past ten years (BCS era), OSU is the only BT team with a NC in
> 2003.  From 1989 - 1999, Michigan was the only BT team and they shared
> that title with Nebraska in 1997.  But you can bet that winning a NC is
> one of the goals of OSU every year, why is it any less realistic for NU?
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 6:32 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
>
> Re: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!<If it really was just about talent,
> how do explain the success this group of too slow, too small, too smart,
> too lightly recruited kids had in November? They beat teams filled with
> blue chip recruits. Every team they beat has lower academic standards
> for their athletes. Every team they beat puts way more people in the
> stands than we do and probably has better facilities too.
>
> Athletic competition isn't about talent?  That will come as a shock to
> every coach in the world.  You have a David syndrome.  Everyone loves to
> see underdog David put it to big, nasty Goliath.  Problem is, Goliath
> wins 98% of the time.  As I said in my original e-mail on this topic,
> the NU football team is staffed by "well coached, pretty good players
> working their hearts out."  Last time I checked, that was a complimentt
> In NU football history, "pretty good" has been a rarity, so it looks
> good by comparison.  We will win more games yet with well coached,
> HIGHLY TALENTED players working their hearts out.  We cannot rely on the
> 1995 dream team as an end-all standard.  That was our Goliath year, and
> you don't get many of them.  Fitz clearly has recruited better talent.
> If he hadn't, we would have been 2 - 9 this season.  He just as clearly
> needs to continue the climb up the talent pool if we are to be a
> contender every season.  I don't question that is his intent, nor do I
> doubt that if he had an interested stud running back on the academic
> cusp, he would fight like hell to get him.  The way to build a fan base
> and draw more press coverage is to enter every season as a strong BCS
> contender.  In other words, EXPECT VICTORY in reality, not just as a
> rah-rah slogan.  If we don't, why set foot on the football field?  I
> have no doubt Fitz would agree.
>
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov 23 09:41:54 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 23 09:40:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Willie Tops The Dome
Message-ID: <cb9.5ed4dad2.383c0742@aol.com>

At Lakeside Field yesterday in Second Round of NCAA D-I Mens Soccer  
Tournament 'Cats ousted Notre Dame by a 3-1 score:  
_http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-soccer/recaps/112209aaa.html_ 
(http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-soccer/recaps/112209aaa.html) 
 
Next game is Sunday 11/29 at 2 p.m. C.S.T. at 8th-seeded Tulsa.
 
Go Soccer 'Cats!
 
Paul Levinson
From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Nov 23 09:42:11 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 23 09:42:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270911211727r7afd4701nfd6bffcca4fade5@mail.gmail.com>
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Walker/Fitz           2000-2009   61-60      50.4%
Hanley/Waldorf      1934-1943   43-35-4   52.4%

34-43 was the last 10 year run at .500 or above

Chuck Herron   Tech '85




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To: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>
Cc: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Orlando...


It's possible but unlikely, especially since NU has been passed over twice
y the Outback (in 2000 in favor of OSU and last year in favor of Iowa).
'd say that the Champs Sports Bowl is all but locked in at this point, even
f the Big Ten doesn't get 2 teams into the BCS - since Wisconsin was at the
hamps last year (and were in Orlando 3 of the last 4 years), making it
uite possible that NU would get that bid if everyone was bumped down a
pot.
But, we'll just have to wait and see at this point since we'll just have to
ait for the BCS at-large bids to be handed out on Sunday Dec. 6.
It was great to see the students rush the field after a great ending to an
-4 season.  Note that NU is now guaranteed to have at least a .500 record
or the decade which hasn't happened in decades.
Go 'Cats!!!
onathan
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <
lan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com> wrote:
> Any one think we might go to Outback?

 Wisconsin is likely to jump us a la Iowa last year, right? Would be great,
 though, to play on Jan. 1.


 ----- Original Message -----
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 To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
 Sent: Sat Nov 21 20:10:49 2009
 Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...

 I could've gone to Tempe. Not likely Orlando.

 A tradeoff I'll take any day!

 Jason Singer
 jason@jasonsinger.com

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Nov 23 09:56:48 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 23 09:55:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Playing on Sundays
Message-ID: <d46.4d599672.383c0ac0@aol.com>

While we hunker down for Thanksgiving and the hiatus until Bowl Selection  
Sunday (12/6), I started thinking about our graduating Seniors, and which of 
 them have good shots, "middle shots" or outside shots at the NFL next  
Fall.  As I look at the Roster, here's what I came up with--and I look  forward 
to hearing from some of our Listers who have far more knowledge in this  
area than I do:
 
Sure Shots:
 
Corey Wooten (Has slipped due to injury, but still a future stud.)
 
Sherrick McManis (Turned our season around with Interception vs. Purdue;  
just a great, clutch player, whom I enjoy watching every week.)
 
Middle Shots:
 
Mike Kafka (His stock has to have grown; he's big and strong, durable, and  
can run, and now we know he can pass; could be back-up or "Wildcat" QB)
 
Brad Phillips (Big and Strong, too, and a playmaker; might even put him in  
first category, but not sure about his speed rating)
 
Long Shots:
 
Andrew Brewer (His size, speed and athleticism might get him a look;  
certainly has come on in November to play a much larger role as our deep  threat.)
 
Zeke Markshausen (His sure hands and precision route running could make him 
 an interesting "slot" receiver--ala one of my all-time favorites, Wayne 
Chrebet,  although he is not nearly as strong as Chrebet; not sure if he has 
the speed to  separate at a higher level, but the boy can play; and now we 
know he's a solid  "option" passer.)
 
Adam Hahn (Wavered on whether to include him, but he has been a rock down  
the stretch this year, and seems to be a very smart player, rarely out of  
position, so could he develop as a back-up DT, who knows?  He's listed at  
6-4, 290, so probably just big enough.)
 
Brendan Smith (Probably not big enough or fast enough, but smart and  
tough.)
 
Paul Levinson
 
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 10:16:01 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov 23 10:16:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Playing on Sundays
In-Reply-To: <d46.4d599672.383c0ac0@aol.com>
References: <d46.4d599672.383c0ac0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270911230816l29a92fafs49df158cd2c459a4@mail.gmail.com>

Wootton is a sure-fire draft pick, and he's looked much better the past few
weeks after being hampered with recovering from that knee injury for the
first half of the season.


Outside of that, I doubt any other NU players will go in the draft.  There
are some potential free agents/draft invitees at least who could carve out a
spot on a roster somewhere:

- McManis is a solid CB and should get a look from someone.

- Phillips is a really physical player and may get an invite to a camp
somewhere; the key for him would be making a place on special teams.

- Kafka is obviously a lot better passer than most give him credit for and
was rather accurate this year (65.7% completion rate, dropped a bit from
earlier in the year when he was over 70%).  He honestly isn't fast enough to
provide a legitimate "Wildcat" running threat at the next level.  I do think
he deserves a look by someone though, if only because he showed how well he
could do with just over a year of starting experience under his belt.

- Brewer also has a shot since he has the athleticism, someone may give him
a look in camp.


Unfortunately, that's all that I think will even have a shot at the next
level.  Hahn has been banged up a lot in his career and isn't the monster
NFL teams are looking for in the middle.  Smith has been solid, too, but
likely doesn't have the speed to play free safety in the NFL.  Markshausen
is a great story, but I don't think any NFL teams will give him a look (he
runs great routes but he hasn't beat many defenders 1-on-1 like Brewer did
multiple times against Wisconsin).

Much like last year, it's very interesting how NU has continued being
successful without multiple all-conference type performers or multiple
sure-fire NFL guys.  IMHO, it's what makes football a great sport - it takes
a complete team effort from all the guys who see the field during the course
of the game.

Jonathan


On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:56 AM, <NEONRye@aol.com> wrote:

> While we hunker down for Thanksgiving and the hiatus until Bowl Selection
> Sunday (12/6), I started thinking about our graduating Seniors, and which
> of
>  them have good shots, "middle shots" or outside shots at the NFL next
> Fall.  As I look at the Roster, here's what I came up with--and I look
>  forward
> to hearing from some of our Listers who have far more knowledge in this
> area than I do:
>
> Sure Shots:
>
> Corey Wooten (Has slipped due to injury, but still a future stud.)
>
> Sherrick McManis (Turned our season around with Interception vs. Purdue;
> just a great, clutch player, whom I enjoy watching every week.)
>
> Middle Shots:
>
> Mike Kafka (His stock has to have grown; he's big and strong, durable, and
> can run, and now we know he can pass; could be back-up or "Wildcat" QB)
>
> Brad Phillips (Big and Strong, too, and a playmaker; might even put him in
> first category, but not sure about his speed rating)
>
> Long Shots:
>
> Andrew Brewer (His size, speed and athleticism might get him a look;
> certainly has come on in November to play a much larger role as our deep
>  threat.)
>
> Zeke Markshausen (His sure hands and precision route running could make him
>  an interesting "slot" receiver--ala one of my all-time favorites, Wayne
> Chrebet,  although he is not nearly as strong as Chrebet; not sure if he
> has
> the speed to  separate at a higher level, but the boy can play; and now we
> know he's a solid  "option" passer.)
>
> Adam Hahn (Wavered on whether to include him, but he has been a rock down
> the stretch this year, and seems to be a very smart player, rarely out of
> position, so could he develop as a back-up DT, who knows?  He's listed at
> 6-4, 290, so probably just big enough.)
>
> Brendan Smith (Probably not big enough or fast enough, but smart and
> tough.)
>
> Paul Levinson
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>



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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Nov 23 10:39:33 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 23 10:40:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Playing on Sundays
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270911230816l29a92fafs49df158cd2c459a4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d46.4d599672.383c0ac0@aol.com>
	<fcb3ee270911230816l29a92fafs49df158cd2c459a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CC3A72AB859A27-3210-B6C9@webmail-d040.sysops.aol.com>


Another part of the 'mystery' of college football - despite how their programs performed, relative to expectations, Jimmy Claussen, Golden Tate, Juice Williams and Aurellious Benn will almost certainly fare well in the draft.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
To: NEONRye@aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 10:16 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Playing on Sundays


Wootton is a sure-fire draft pick, and he's looked much better the past few
eeks after being hampered with recovering from that knee injury for the
irst half of the season.

utside of that, I doubt any other NU players will go in the draft.  There
re some potential free agents/draft invitees at least who could carve out a
pot on a roster somewhere:
- McManis is a solid CB and should get a look from someone.
- Phillips is a really physical player and may get an invite to a camp
omewhere; the key for him would be making a place on special teams.
- Kafka is obviously a lot better passer than most give him credit for and
as rather accurate this year (65.7% completion rate, dropped a bit from
arlier in the year when he was over 70%).  He honestly isn't fast enough to
rovide a legitimate "Wildcat" running threat at the next level.  I do think
e deserves a look by someone though, if only because he showed how well he
ould do with just over a year of starting experience under his belt.
- Brewer also has a shot since he has the athleticism, someone may give him
 look in camp.

nfortunately, that's all that I think will even have a shot at the next
evel.  Hahn has been banged up a lot in his career and isn't the monster
FL teams are looking for in the middle.  Smith has been solid, too, but
ikely doesn't have the speed to play free safety in the NFL.  Markshausen
s a great story, but I don't think any NFL teams will give him a look (he
uns great routes but he hasn't beat many defenders 1-on-1 like Brewer did
ultiple times against Wisconsin).
Much like last year, it's very interesting how NU has continued being
uccessful without multiple all-conference type performers or multiple
ure-fire NFL guys.  IMHO, it's what makes football a great sport - it takes
 complete team effort from all the guys who see the field during the course
f the game.
Jonathan

n Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:56 AM, <NEONRye@aol.com> wrote:
> While we hunker down for Thanksgiving and the hiatus until Bowl Selection
 Sunday (12/6), I started thinking about our graduating Seniors, and which
 of
  them have good shots, "middle shots" or outside shots at the NFL next
 Fall.  As I look at the Roster, here's what I came up with--and I look
  forward
 to hearing from some of our Listers who have far more knowledge in this
 area than I do:

 Sure Shots:

 Corey Wooten (Has slipped due to injury, but still a future stud.)

 Sherrick McManis (Turned our season around with Interception vs. Purdue;
 just a great, clutch player, whom I enjoy watching every week.)

 Middle Shots:

 Mike Kafka (His stock has to have grown; he's big and strong, durable, and
 can run, and now we know he can pass; could be back-up or "Wildcat" QB)

 Brad Phillips (Big and Strong, too, and a playmaker; might even put him in
 first category, but not sure about his speed rating)

 Long Shots:

 Andrew Brewer (His size, speed and athleticism might get him a look;
 certainly has come on in November to play a much larger role as our deep
  threat.)

 Zeke Markshausen (His sure hands and precision route running could make him
  an interesting "slot" receiver--ala one of my all-time favorites, Wayne
 Chrebet,  although he is not nearly as strong as Chrebet; not sure if he
 has
 the speed to  separate at a higher level, but the boy can play; and now we
 know he's a solid  "option" passer.)

 Adam Hahn (Wavered on whether to include him, but he has been a rock down
 the stretch this year, and seems to be a very smart player, rarely out of
 position, so could he develop as a back-up DT, who knows?  He's listed at
 6-4, 290, so probably just big enough.)

 Brendan Smith (Probably not big enough or fast enough, but smart and
 tough.)

 Paul Levinson

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov 23 10:57:40 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 23 10:57:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...
In-Reply-To: <8CC3A6AA7E7BB39-3210-A48A@webmail-d040.sysops.aol.com>
References: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BFF4@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com><fcb3ee270911211727r7afd4701nfd6bffcca4fade5@mail.gmail.com><8CC3A6AA7E7BB39-3210-A48A@webmail-d040.sysops.aol.com>
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So if we lose the bowl game we  can't claim over .500 for the decade unless you argue that  the decade actually started in 2001 (which is technically accurate). In this case we would need to win one more game in 2010 than we did in 2000 which was about 8 

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: cherron604@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:42:11 
To: <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>; <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>
Cc: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Orlando...


Walker/Fitz           2000-2009   61-60      50.4%
Hanley/Waldorf      1934-1943   43-35-4   52.4%

34-43 was the last 10 year run at .500 or above

Chuck Herron   Tech '85




-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
To: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>
Cc: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:27 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Orlando...


It's possible but unlikely, especially since NU has been passed over twice
y the Outback (in 2000 in favor of OSU and last year in favor of Iowa).
'd say that the Champs Sports Bowl is all but locked in at this point, even
f the Big Ten doesn't get 2 teams into the BCS - since Wisconsin was at the
hamps last year (and were in Orlando 3 of the last 4 years), making it
uite possible that NU would get that bid if everyone was bumped down a
pot.
But, we'll just have to wait and see at this point since we'll just have to
ait for the BCS at-large bids to be handed out on Sunday Dec. 6.
It was great to see the students rush the field after a great ending to an
-4 season.  Note that NU is now guaranteed to have at least a .500 record
or the decade which hasn't happened in decades.
Go 'Cats!!!
onathan
On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <
lan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com> wrote:
> Any one think we might go to Outback?

 Wisconsin is likely to jump us a la Iowa last year, right? Would be great,
 though, to play on Jan. 1.


 ----- Original Message -----
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 To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
 Sent: Sat Nov 21 20:10:49 2009
 Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...

 I could've gone to Tempe. Not likely Orlando.

 A tradeoff I'll take any day!

 Jason Singer
 jason@jasonsinger.com

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From ivars at radioskonto.lv  Mon Nov 23 11:15:03 2009
From: ivars at radioskonto.lv (Ivars Embrekts)
Date: Mon Nov 23 11:15:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Orlando...
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What?

hakirsch@aol.com wrote:
> So if we lose the bowl game we  can't claim over .500 for the decade unless you argue that  the decade actually started in 2001 (which is technically accurate). In this case we would need to win one more game in 2010 than we did in 2000 which was about 8 
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cherron604@aol.com
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 10:42:11 
> To: <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>; <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>
> Cc: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Orlando...
>
>
> Walker/Fitz           2000-2009   61-60      50.4%
> Hanley/Waldorf      1934-1943   43-35-4   52.4%
>
> 34-43 was the last 10 year run at .500 or above
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
> To: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>
> Cc: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 7:27 pm
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Orlando...
>
>
> It's possible but unlikely, especially since NU has been passed over twice
> y the Outback (in 2000 in favor of OSU and last year in favor of Iowa).
> 'd say that the Champs Sports Bowl is all but locked in at this point, even
> f the Big Ten doesn't get 2 teams into the BCS - since Wisconsin was at the
> hamps last year (and were in Orlando 3 of the last 4 years), making it
> uite possible that NU would get that bid if everyone was bumped down a
> pot.
> But, we'll just have to wait and see at this point since we'll just have to
> ait for the BCS at-large bids to be handed out on Sunday Dec. 6.
> It was great to see the students rush the field after a great ending to an
> -4 season.  Note that NU is now guaranteed to have at least a .500 record
> or the decade which hasn't happened in decades.
> Go 'Cats!!!
> onathan
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 7:21 PM, Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <
> lan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com> wrote:
>   
>> Any one think we might go to Outback?
>>     
>
>  Wisconsin is likely to jump us a la Iowa last year, right? Would be great,
>  though, to play on Jan. 1.
>
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>  I could've gone to Tempe. Not likely Orlando.
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Nov 23 11:25:28 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 23 11:25:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The view from Madison
Message-ID: <8CC3A7915D95778-3210-C4E5@webmail-d040.sysops.aol.com>


http://host.madison.com/sports/college/football/article_5750772e-d719-11de-93d9-001cc4c002e0.html

The Hank/Inside info angle is very interesting, equally interesting is the complete respect they have for the intelligence of our guys - they go out of their way to emphasize it.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov 22 19:49:43 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 23 12:08:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] ESPN Bowl Predictions
Message-ID: <8CC39F65D124E62-C88-DA8D@webmail-m072.sysops.aol.com>


While most of the projections I have seen today seem to have us playing the Tarheels at the Champs Sports Bowl, ESPN has now posted 2 predictions (from their "gurus") that state otherwise:  http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections

Mark Schlabach has us at the Champs, but playing the "U" (Miami, FL), not North Carolina.  And he has Wisky vs. LSU at the Outback.

More tantalizingly, however, Bruce Feldman predicts that NU will be eating Australian Steak on the Barbie, with an all-feline match-up at the Outback, consisting of :  Wildcats vs. Tigers (Auburn).  Mr. Feldman has the Badgers slated to face another set of Tigers (Clemson) at the Champs.  I would love for this prophecy to come true, but deep down I don't believe a word of it.  However, if Bielema's boys fall to the Rainbows, and limp home at 8-4, too, who knows?  While Auburn is, of course, a traditional power, this year's team has been up and down.  They usually run well, but that would go right into the strength of our "D", so hopefully we could give them a good fight.  Not sure how their overall team speed is, which is the biggest fear I would have in playing any SEC squad.

Just as long as we don't have to play N.C. in basketball, any of the above is OK with me.:-)  I'm in Florida through Jan. 2, so I can be a Champ or an Aussie.  After sitting out the Alamo after surgery, this year's model is lookin' good to me--since San Antonio and Tempe seem to be off the radar.

Paul Levinson
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 23 12:49:59 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 23 12:50:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The view from Madison
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Well, shame on their defensive guys for not changing the signals regularly. Maybe they can't
count on their players being smart enough to learn new signals each week?

I would think the coverages would have the same names, but turning them on and off would require
a signal change - of course maybe the Cats also watched enough film to know which coverage Wiscy
was in or changing to when they did it.

Anyway, I get tired of players whining about another coach appearing to read their minds. They
were giving away their coverages, our guys were well schooled in what those coverages were, and
we took advantage of that. They had video of our defense, and should have been able to read them
also, but they didn't.

rsl 

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http://host.madison.com/sports/college/football/article_5750772e-d719-11de-93d9-001cc4c002e0.htm
l

The Hank/Inside info angle is very interesting, equally interesting is the complete respect they
have for the intelligence of our guys - they go out of their way to emphasize it.

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Nov 23 13:02:26 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Nov 23 13:02:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The view from Madison
Message-ID: <200911231902.nANJ2RGS024870@romaine.tssi.com>

> Well, shame on their defensive guys for not changing the signals regularly. Maybe they can't
> count on their players being smart enough to learn new signals each week?

They only had the better part of two seasons to plan for facing Hankwitz, they'll get
zero sympathy from most people (other than frustrated Wisky players and fans) if they 
didn't expect that he'd tell the Cats players and coaches what he knew about what the 
Wisconsin defense was doing during the 2007 season.
--
Mike Nolan

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov 23 13:15:28 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Nov 23 13:15:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The view from Madison
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I agree.

Sort of like a Bob Gibson fastball.  Even when you know it is coming, the best players could only hit one out of three.  So regardless of what we knew, we still had to execute.

Also it's not bad to be able to get into the heads of the teams that you are playing. Fortunately we do it with guile rather than paint.

I did appreciate the tip of the hat to playing smart.  I think that the players from the big BT schools where we've had some success (Iowa, Minny, Wisky, etc.) have a lot more respect for NU football than maybe their fans do.

As far as playing to our tendencies, Bielma in the post game press conference said that we did surprise them with some new stuff that was schemed just for them.  I haven't seen it recently, but I recall that GB used to brag about how quickly our guys could learn new stuff compared with past teams he'd coached.

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Well, shame on their defensive guys for not changing the signals regularly. Maybe they can't count on their players being smart enough to learn new signals each week?

I would think the coverages would have the same names, but turning them on and off would require a signal change - of course maybe the Cats also watched enough film to know which coverage Wiscy was in or changing to when they did it.

Anyway, I get tired of players whining about another coach appearing to read their minds. They were giving away their coverages, our guys were well schooled in what those coverages were, and we took advantage of that. They had video of our defense, and should have been able to read them also, but they didn't.

rsl 

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http://host.madison.com/sports/college/football/article_5750772e-d719-11de-93d9-001cc4c002e0.htm
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The Hank/Inside info angle is very interesting, equally interesting is the complete respect they have for the intelligence of our guys - they go out of their way to emphasize it.

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Nov 23 13:40:59 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 23 13:41:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The view from Madison
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I wonder, sometimes, whether the praise some opponents give us (about being 'smart') isn't a protective mechanism for them (i.e. NU beat us because they're 'smart', not because they're more talented or better prepared).

On a different front, Jim O'Donnell's sniping before and after the game has shown, I think, that he cannot cover the beat and remain objective.  Whoever the dispute is with - the University, the Athletic Department or the team, the Sun-Times needs to do something (like let Herb Gould work on his tan while JO sits and simmers in Chicago).

Saturday:

" The Badgers (8-2, 5-2) forage into Evanston meaning business. The Wildcats prance toward a Grade-C bowl clinging to their annual mitigations about ''character guys'' and ''building a foundation.''

Sunday:

"The 32,150 who showed up at Ryan Field on Saturday -- the majority of whom wore Wisconsin red -- enabled the Wildcats to complete their seven-game home schedule with an announced average attendance of just more than 24,000 per game. That translates to approximately 52 percent capacity at Ryan Field. Maybe they will bring friends to the Northwestern bowl game."

Monday:

"Though Fitzgerald and athletic director Jim Phillips now must convince more prestigious bowl committees that Northwestern ''travels well,'' the staff could have done the school a huge favor Saturday if it had promptly released information to all significant media bolstering their case.
Instead, Fitzgerald delivered a snappy diatribe, and prospective bowls were left looking at a school and a program that barely averaged 50 percent capacity -- approximately 24,000 per game -- for seven home games this season.
Perhaps Phillips and Fitzgerald will correct the departmental oversight with a de facto bowl economic-impact summary at the coach's noon news conference today."

Though the third one almost sounds like staff-bashing rather than Cat-bashing...It would be nice to know his exact motives.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85





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From: Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: cherron604@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 12:49 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] The view from Madison


Well, shame on their defensive guys for not changing the signals regularly. 
aybe they can't
ount on their players being smart enough to learn new signals each week?
I would think the coverages would have the same names, but turning them on and 
ff would require
 signal change - of course maybe the Cats also watched enough film to know 
hich coverage Wiscy
as in or changing to when they did it.
Anyway, I get tired of players whining about another coach appearing to read 
heir minds. They
ere giving away their coverages, our guys were well schooled in what those 
overages were, and
e took advantage of that. They had video of our defense, and should have been 
ble to read them
lso, but they didn't.
rsl 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
oy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
omputer Applications & Support Associates
------------------- Also ----------------------
ommissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
etired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
orthwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
hi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
ublisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
=========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
o...
    How's that "hope" and "Change"
    Working for ya?
Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
===============================================
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herron604@aol.com
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o: nwu-sports@tssi.com
ubject: [NU Sports] The view from Madison

ttp://host.madison.com/sports/college/football/article_5750772e-d719-11de-93d9-001cc4c002e0.htm

The Hank/Inside info angle is very interesting, equally interesting is the 
omplete respect they
ave for the intelligence of our guys - they go out of their way to emphasize 
t.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov 23 13:49:52 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Nov 23 13:50:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The view from Madison
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These days there appears to be economic advantage to be the guy that
stirs the pot and calls people names.

O'Donnell may have some legitimate beef about some past injustice and
has decided to take it out on NU now.  My neighbor still holds a grudge
against UoM because they rejected his daughter and give us the stink eye
when we put out our NU and UoM flags (oldest son graduated from UoM).  

More likely he has just found a role that gets him more publicity than
he previously was getting, so being a smart guy, he's running with it.

Jeff


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I wonder, sometimes, whether the praise some opponents give us (about
being 'smart') isn't a protective mechanism for them (i.e. NU beat us
because they're 'smart', not because they're more talented or better
prepared).

On a different front, Jim O'Donnell's sniping before and after the game
has shown, I think, that he cannot cover the beat and remain objective.
Whoever the dispute is with - the University, the Athletic Department or
the team, the Sun-Times needs to do something (like let Herb Gould work
on his tan while JO sits and simmers in Chicago).

Saturday:

" The Badgers (8-2, 5-2) forage into Evanston meaning business. The
Wildcats prance toward a Grade-C bowl clinging to their annual
mitigations about ''character guys'' and ''building a foundation.''

Sunday:

"The 32,150 who showed up at Ryan Field on Saturday -- the majority of
whom wore Wisconsin red -- enabled the Wildcats to complete their
seven-game home schedule with an announced average attendance of just
more than 24,000 per game. That translates to approximately 52 percent
capacity at Ryan Field. Maybe they will bring friends to the
Northwestern bowl game."

Monday:

"Though Fitzgerald and athletic director Jim Phillips now must convince
more prestigious bowl committees that Northwestern ''travels well,'' the
staff could have done the school a huge favor Saturday if it had
promptly released information to all significant media bolstering their
case.
Instead, Fitzgerald delivered a snappy diatribe, and prospective bowls
were left looking at a school and a program that barely averaged 50
percent capacity -- approximately 24,000 per game -- for seven home
games this season.
Perhaps Phillips and Fitzgerald will correct the departmental oversight
with a de facto bowl economic-impact summary at the coach's noon news
conference today."

Though the third one almost sounds like staff-bashing rather than
Cat-bashing...It would be nice to know his exact motives.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85





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From: Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: cherron604@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 12:49 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] The view from Madison


Well, shame on their defensive guys for not changing the signals
regularly. 
aybe they can't
ount on their players being smart enough to learn new signals each week?
I would think the coverages would have the same names, but turning them
on and ff would require  signal change - of course maybe the Cats also
watched enough film to know hich coverage Wiscy as in or changing to
when they did it.
Anyway, I get tired of players whining about another coach appearing to
read heir minds. They ere giving away their coverages, our guys were
well schooled in what those overages were, and e took advantage of that.
They had video of our defense, and should have been ble to read them
lso, but they didn't.
rsl 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
oy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
omputer Applications & Support Associates
------------------- Also ---------------------- ommissioner Delaware
American Legion Baseball etired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
orthwestern University - Speech 1974 - hi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968 ublisher
Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports) =========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All
=========== o...
    How's that "hope" and "Change"
    Working for ya?
Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
===============================================
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ubject: [NU Sports] The view from Madison

ttp://host.madison.com/sports/college/football/article_5750772e-d719-11d
e-93d9-001cc4c002e0.htm

The Hank/Inside info angle is very interesting, equally interesting is
the omplete respect they ave for the intelligence of our guys - they go
out of their way to emphasize t.
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From AirSnod at aol.com  Mon Nov 23 13:54:49 2009
From: AirSnod at aol.com (AirSnod@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 23 13:53:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Northeastern cuts football
Message-ID: <d60.5f372f19.383c4289@aol.com>

Seems to be something in the water out there. I recall when BU cut football 
as well. Ironically, neither football program makes money like their hockey 
programs do.
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 23 13:57:16 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Nov 23 13:57:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The view from Madison
Message-ID: <267739.45690.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> > On a different front, Jim
> O'Donnell's sniping before and
> > after the game has shown, I think, that he cannot
> cover the
> > beat and remain objective.?

Wow, he continues to let his personal axe-grinding render
his coverage worthless. Weird. 
 
And the "majority in red" thing is complete B.S. He
obviously didn't bother to take in anything other than the
view from the press box (i.e. the entire west side of the
stadium). 
 
Of course, his crap is emblematic of what has become a real
problem in the sports sections of our newspapers, which is
an almost complete blurring of the lines between reporting
and editorials. 
 
If O'Donnell wants to write an opinion piece on NU, that's
fine, but flat-out mis-stating facts to support shaky
opinions in something that should be a game report is
unacceptable. 
 
Tom
> 
> 

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 14:05:11 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov 23 14:05:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The view from Madison
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I don't recall how much of this was publicized on this listserv, but
O'Donnell has a beef with some members of the NU athletic department (not NU
as a whole).  He wrote relatively well-liked articles until Nov. 12 (
http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/1880140,CST-SPT-nu12.article), since
when he's taken a decidedly negative tone towards Northwestern as much as
possible.  He's also been rumored to have been trolling on the NU message
boards as well.

It's clear that he is inserting bias into virtually every piece and the only
conceivable solution at this point is to take him off the beat, which I hope
they do in short order (probably not until after the bowl, though).  Casual
fans who don't know the backstory will likely be put off or confused by the
nonsense that doesn't belong in the coverage.

In the meantime one can always go to the Trib (where Greenstein, an NU alum,
writes), Daily Herald, or one of the many online sites that covers NU.

Jonathan

On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>wrote:

> These days there appears to be economic advantage to be the guy that
> stirs the pot and calls people names.
>
> O'Donnell may have some legitimate beef about some past injustice and
> has decided to take it out on NU now.  My neighbor still holds a grudge
> against UoM because they rejected his daughter and give us the stink eye
> when we put out our NU and UoM flags (oldest son graduated from UoM).
>
> More likely he has just found a role that gets him more publicity than
> he previously was getting, so being a smart guy, he's running with it.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It
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> addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose
> it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately
> and then destroy it.
>
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:41 PM
> To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The view from Madison
>
>
> I wonder, sometimes, whether the praise some opponents give us (about
> being 'smart') isn't a protective mechanism for them (i.e. NU beat us
> because they're 'smart', not because they're more talented or better
> prepared).
>
> On a different front, Jim O'Donnell's sniping before and after the game
> has shown, I think, that he cannot cover the beat and remain objective.
> Whoever the dispute is with - the University, the Athletic Department or
> the team, the Sun-Times needs to do something (like let Herb Gould work
> on his tan while JO sits and simmers in Chicago).
>
> Saturday:
>
> " The Badgers (8-2, 5-2) forage into Evanston meaning business. The
> Wildcats prance toward a Grade-C bowl clinging to their annual
> mitigations about ''character guys'' and ''building a foundation.''
>
> Sunday:
>
> "The 32,150 who showed up at Ryan Field on Saturday -- the majority of
> whom wore Wisconsin red -- enabled the Wildcats to complete their
> seven-game home schedule with an announced average attendance of just
> more than 24,000 per game. That translates to approximately 52 percent
> capacity at Ryan Field. Maybe they will bring friends to the
> Northwestern bowl game."
>
> Monday:
>
> "Though Fitzgerald and athletic director Jim Phillips now must convince
> more prestigious bowl committees that Northwestern ''travels well,'' the
> staff could have done the school a huge favor Saturday if it had
> promptly released information to all significant media bolstering their
> case.
> Instead, Fitzgerald delivered a snappy diatribe, and prospective bowls
> were left looking at a school and a program that barely averaged 50
> percent capacity -- approximately 24,000 per game -- for seven home
> games this season.
> Perhaps Phillips and Fitzgerald will correct the departmental oversight
> with a de facto bowl economic-impact summary at the coach's noon news
> conference today."
>
> Though the third one almost sounds like staff-bashing rather than
> Cat-bashing...It would be nice to know his exact motives.
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> To: cherron604@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 12:49 pm
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] The view from Madison
>
>
> Well, shame on their defensive guys for not changing the signals
> regularly.
> aybe they can't
> ount on their players being smart enough to learn new signals each week?
> I would think the coverages would have the same names, but turning them
> on and ff would require  signal change - of course maybe the Cats also
> watched enough film to know hich coverage Wiscy as in or changing to
> when they did it.
> Anyway, I get tired of players whining about another coach appearing to
> read heir minds. They ere giving away their coverages, our guys were
> well schooled in what those overages were, and e took advantage of that.
> They had video of our defense, and should have been ble to read them
> lso, but they didn't.
> rsl
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>
> The Hank/Inside info angle is very interesting, equally interesting is
> the omplete respect they ave for the intelligence of our guys - they go
> out of their way to emphasize t.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Nov 23 14:39:02 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Nov 23 14:39:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
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Re: Jeff Beamsley's response

> The same thing is true here at Northwestern.  We don't have to become
> Ohio State in order to beat them.

But you have to become as talented as Ohio State if you are to defeat them more than once every three decades (and only then when our better year coincides with one of their rare down years).  It is no coincidence that our Big Ten championships in '95 and '00 came in years in which we did not play them.
 
> Competition isn't only about raw ability, otherwise why play the game?  You can just have
> everyone pull out their Rivals ratings, add them up, and the group with
> the higher score gets the W.  I understand that this is a difficult
> concept for you to gasp, but it is not theoretical.  You only have to
> look at the results.  At least in the case of Northwestern, Goliath does
> not win 98% of the time.

And you don't seem to grasp that there isn't one bit of sense in your statement.  In the last 45 years, we have defeated Ohio State twice (and otherwise usually get slaughtered), Notre Dame once, and Michigan five times, so Goliath does usually win.  OK, it ain't the hyperbolic 98%, but it's way more than 50%.

> I suggest that the secret to NU's success is our belief that team play
> can overcome individual weakness. 

To some extent, yes, but the other guy, who doesn't have those weaknesses and also plays within a team concept, will almost always defeat you.  When some of those great teams do lose, it often because they took the other team for granted.
 
> As far as your compliment - "well coached, pretty good players working
> their hearts out"; it has a hint of condescension, particularly in the
> context of this discussion about "talent".  Perhaps that was unintended,
> but the subtext I read was "pretty good players but you're still no Ohio
> State".  I disagree.  The way this team is playing right now, if Ohio
> State were on the schedule next week, we'd beat them too.

I rarely say things I don't intend, and describing my statement as condescending demonstrates an elitist attitude.  Fact:  We haven't been even close to being Ohio State in talent in the 45 years I've watched NU football.  If you find the truth condescending, condescend away.  This year's Northwestern team is well coached, they do work their hearts out, and their talent level is "pretty good," which means they are a hell of lot better than most of the teams they've fielded over the years.  They are a bunch of kids to be admired, but they certainly are not a great football team.
 
> To that end, what Fitz IS saying is that the '95 season is his
> expectation for every team every year.  It just depends on how hard the
> players and staff are willing to work and how much of themselves are
> they willing to invest in becoming a team that believes it can win.  

I have no doubt that Fitz expects his teams to win every year.  It's some on this board whose attitudes toward the means to that end that I question.  It is silly to suggest that the likes of Ohio State, Penn State, Florida, Texas, etc. are poorly coached and that Northwestern somehow has a patent on hard work the others don't understand.  The hard-working, more talented team will beat the hard-working, less talented team nine times out of ten.

> National Championships are catching lightening in a bottle for everyone.

But we've never gotten so much as a sip out of the bottle except for '95, and we blew that with a loss to second-tier Miami and a weak pass rush that did nothing to stop USC's passing attack.  It was a wonderful ride in '95, but, as they used to say on That Was the Week That Was, "It's over.  Let it go."

> You can bet that winning a NC is one of the goals of OSU every year, why is it any less realistic for NU?

Because we yet lack the talent even to dream of such a thing happening.  If we are ever to reach that lofty perch - and I'm certain Fitz is and will continue to make every effort to do just that - he must raise the depth and level of talent above what it is now and maintain it year in, year out, a fact that is certainly clearer to him than us.  BUT, if the university ties one hand tied behind his back, that will be virtually impossible.  Perhaps Fitz can steal the few top prospects from Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt, etc. and cobble together a national power that can whoop up on Florida, more power to him, but that is not realistic expection ongoing, if ever can be.  If anyone can, it's Fitz.

Talent:  If you want to win, you got to have it.  If you don't, you lose.
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Nov 23 16:17:38 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Nov 23 16:17:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
Message-ID: <200911232217.nANMHcVV026245@romaine.tssi.com>

> And you don't seem to grasp that there isn't one bit of sense in your statement.  In the last 45 years, we have defeated Ohio State twice (and otherwise usually get slaughtered), Notre Dame once, and Michigan five times, so Goliath does usually win.  OK, it ain't the hyperbolic 98%, but it's way more than 50%.

Notre Dame wasn't even on the schedule from 1949-1958, nor from 1977-1991.  More signifiantly,
Notre Dame hasn't been on the schedule since 1995.  From what I hear the Irish have no 
interest in a series against the Cats as long as it includes any trips to Evanston.  

But then, they can still pick and choose who they play, the Cats cannot.  BTW, the talk in
Lincoln is that Nebraska also is not interested in scheduling Northwestern as long 
as it includes a trip to Evanston, though they MIGHT be interested if there was a game 
at Soldier Field (but not one at Wrigley.)  Oddly enough, there seems to be less interest
in a single game in Lincoln, perhaps because NU is viewed as a team that is too likely to
win.  
--
Mike Nolan 

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Nov 23 21:11:07 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Nov 23 21:11:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl Update from the Tribune
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270911231911m164c87a5mad94387231e5d764@mail.gmail.com>

"A Big Ten bowl official told the Tribune today that he predicts the Champs
Sports would select Northwestern over Wisconsin, which has played in Orlando
bowls in three of the last four years."

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/11/northwestern.html

Jonathan
From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov 23 23:36:22 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Nov 23 23:37:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!
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Dennis,
 
Just because you choose to repeat your claims in a louder fashion doesn't make them any more convincing.
 
We clearly disagree.
 
In the absence of any facts, that would suggest a standoff which is where this appeared to be heading.
 
Fortunately your brief unsuccessful foray into the land of facts gave me an idea. 
 
I spent a little time compiling NU's football record in the modern era. 
 
I've defined the modern era beginning with GB's breakout year of 1995 because NU football changed that year. 
 
>From the time of Ara until GB, coaches, players, students, faculty, and administration thought exactly as you do. The only way to be competitive in the BT was to recruit the same types of players that the perennial powers in the BT recruited. NU coaches also believed, as you do, that they were handicapped by our admission policy and our commitment to graduate all our kids with real degrees. So, not surprisingly, they all failed and NU football became a national joke. 
 
GB changed all that. He turned NU's perceived weakness into a recruiting advantage. He specifically recruited a particular kind of kid. They were smart, under sized, under appreciated, over achievers. They came in with a chip on their shoulder because other programs passed them over. He used that chip to motivate them to greatness. He put NU football back on the map. Every NU coach since has used that same formula to build a surprising record of success.
 
Email doesn't handle tables very well, so you'll have to trust that I've done my math correctly.
 
Our overall record in the BT during the modern era is 57-63 or 48%. There were certainly some lean years, but even given that, we have winning records against half the league (Minny, Indiana, Illinois, Wisky, and Iowa). We are also clearly competitive with MSU (45%) and Purdue (40%). We have only been dominated by the same three teams that have dominated the conference UoM (33%), PSU (27%), and OSU (10%). 
 
Here's a little more detail by coach.
 
>From 1995-1998 GB had a 50% or better record against every BT team but PSU and OSU. Unfortunately, the manner of his exit resulted in an ofer the BT in 1998 and seriously damaged the program.
 
As a result, I don't think it fair to count 1999 for RW because recruiting tanked, GB's players were disillusioned, and RW brought in a very different "tough-love" style. Even with that and Wheeler's death which slowed the program again, RW rebuilt football to a point where we were competitive with half the league. 
 
Unfortunately, RW's passing forced us to start over again and 2006 was another lost year. Since then Fitz exceeded RW's mark with a 50% or better record against six teams (Minny, Purdue, Indiana, Ill, Wisky, and Iowa). We still have work to do against UoM (33%), MSU (25%), PSU (0%), and OSU(0%) but the program is on the upswing in visibility, attitude, and recruiting.
 
Looked at in this fashion, NU football has overcome two very disruptive coaching changes and in each case rebounded in short order to become competitive in the league. Unfortunately, Wheeler's passing affected RW's ability to take the team to the next level. If you take these "lost" years out of the equation, NU's winning percentage jumps to 64% with winning records against seven and competitive records against everyone else but OSU. 
 
Fitz is poised to take us to the next level. He has recruited even better than RW and isn't burdened with Wheeler's legacy.  There is every reason to expect his teams to improve on his already impressive record. 
 
I think on this small point we agree. The team will get better because Fitz will recruit better players. Where we disagree is your view that we will never be competitive with the likes of OSU without some change to our admission standards.
 
You are right that we have only won one game from OSU in the modern era. Is that evidence of some unique Northwestern weakness, or just OSU's overall dominance of the league?
 
During the modern era OSU has a winning record against every team in the BT and an overall BT winning percentage of 78%. We have a better record against OSU than Minny, Iowa, and Indiana. MSU has just one more win than us. Purdue and Ill have two. Wisconsin has one of the best percentages against OSU with 4 wins (40%). But Northwestern beat Wisconsin as many times in the modern era as OSU.
 
So what does all this say about Northwestern?
 
First of all, if OSU is Goliath in this tale, they beat everyone, not just us.  Admission standards don't appear to be a factor in who has success against OSU.  No one does.  
 
If they are the yardstick against which all others teams in the BT are measured, Northwestern with all of it's perceived weaknesses and lost years still managed to be in the middle of the pack. 
 
So it's not just NU.  Everyone in this league including those that can recruit the same sorts of players as OSU are all trying to figure out how to beat them.  No one has figured it out yet.  But I think at this point, Fitz has as good a chance as anyone else in this league to beat OSU.
 
Your claims that "the other guy, who doesn't have those weaknesses and also plays within a team concept, will almost always defeat you." and "The hard-working, more talented team will beat the hard-working, less talented team nine times out of ten." simply don't hold up to the facts.
 
Over 15 years we are consistently beating teams that, in your estimation, we shouldn't. It can't just be, as you suggested, that they took NU for granted every year. Iowa and Wisconsin certainly haven't taken us for granted, yet we still beat them. Illinois gets better recruits than us every year, sends more kids to the NFL than us, beats OSU more than us, is our bitter in-state rival, and we OWN them. 
 
As others have posted, we have a remarkable record of winning close games. 
 
I haven't looked at performance against the spread lately but I recall at one point we also had a remarkable record of underdog wins. 
 
There is something going on here that is beyond the simple equation of talent reflected in Rivals recruit ratings.
 
Something is driving the success of this program in ways that defy conventional wisdom.
 
It is something that Pat Fitzgerald clearly understands. That's why he's here and having the success he has had. 
 
It is something that you just seem unwilling to admit.
 
That's too bad.
 
I guess it will remain your loss.
 
Jeff



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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Mon 11/23/2009 3:39 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Now THAT was a game!



Re: Jeff Beamsley's response

> The same thing is true here at Northwestern.  We don't have to become
> Ohio State in order to beat them.

But you have to become as talented as Ohio State if you are to defeat them more than once every three decades (and only then when our better year coincides with one of their rare down years).  It is no coincidence that our Big Ten championships in '95 and '00 came in years in which we did not play them.

> Competition isn't only about raw ability, otherwise why play the game?  You can just have
> everyone pull out their Rivals ratings, add them up, and the group with
> the higher score gets the W.  I understand that this is a difficult
> concept for you to gasp, but it is not theoretical.  You only have to
> look at the results.  At least in the case of Northwestern, Goliath does
> not win 98% of the time.

And you don't seem to grasp that there isn't one bit of sense in your statement.  In the last 45 years, we have defeated Ohio State twice (and otherwise usually get slaughtered), Notre Dame once, and Michigan five times, so Goliath does usually win.  OK, it ain't the hyperbolic 98%, but it's way more than 50%.

> I suggest that the secret to NU's success is our belief that team play
> can overcome individual weakness.

To some extent, yes, but the other guy, who doesn't have those weaknesses and also plays within a team concept, will almost always defeat you.  When some of those great teams do lose, it often because they took the other team for granted.

> As far as your compliment - "well coached, pretty good players working
> their hearts out"; it has a hint of condescension, particularly in the
> context of this discussion about "talent".  Perhaps that was unintended,
> but the subtext I read was "pretty good players but you're still no Ohio
> State".  I disagree.  The way this team is playing right now, if Ohio
> State were on the schedule next week, we'd beat them too.

I rarely say things I don't intend, and describing my statement as condescending demonstrates an elitist attitude.  Fact:  We haven't been even close to being Ohio State in talent in the 45 years I've watched NU football.  If you find the truth condescending, condescend away.  This year's Northwestern team is well coached, they do work their hearts out, and their talent level is "pretty good," which means they are a hell of lot better than most of the teams they've fielded over the years.  They are a bunch of kids to be admired, but they certainly are not a great football team.

> To that end, what Fitz IS saying is that the '95 season is his
> expectation for every team every year.  It just depends on how hard the
> players and staff are willing to work and how much of themselves are
> they willing to invest in becoming a team that believes it can win. 

I have no doubt that Fitz expects his teams to win every year.  It's some on this board whose attitudes toward the means to that end that I question.  It is silly to suggest that the likes of Ohio State, Penn State, Florida, Texas, etc. are poorly coached and that Northwestern somehow has a patent on hard work the others don't understand.  The hard-working, more talented team will beat the hard-working, less talented team nine times out of ten.

> National Championships are catching lightening in a bottle for everyone.

But we've never gotten so much as a sip out of the bottle except for '95, and we blew that with a loss to second-tier Miami and a weak pass rush that did nothing to stop USC's passing attack.  It was a wonderful ride in '95, but, as they used to say on That Was the Week That Was, "It's over.  Let it go."

> You can bet that winning a NC is one of the goals of OSU every year, why is it any less realistic for NU?

Because we yet lack the talent even to dream of such a thing happening.  If we are ever to reach that lofty perch - and I'm certain Fitz is and will continue to make every effort to do just that - he must raise the depth and level of talent above what it is now and maintain it year in, year out, a fact that is certainly clearer to him than us.  BUT, if the university ties one hand tied behind his back, that will be virtually impossible.  Perhaps Fitz can steal the few top prospects from Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt, etc. and cobble together a national power that can whoop up on Florida, more power to him, but that is not realistic expection ongoing, if ever can be.  If anyone can, it's Fitz.

Talent:  If you want to win, you got to have it.  If you don't, you lose.
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 23 23:59:02 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Nov 23 23:59:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] O'donnell
Message-ID: <1087915176-1259042334-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-853105263-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Did a great job last season. Shame he's changed so; NU gets more column inches in the S-T than the Trib (I like what the Trib does, I should say.).  

Btw Herb Gould had a terrific N*** D*** column today, worth seeking out. He thinks ND should approach the BT again -- it's well-argued and a fresh approach. 

Brad Wilson


Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 24 00:31:30 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Nov 24 00:31:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ok it's officially Tuesday
Message-ID: <1651350468-1259044290-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1885658932-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

... And I am still high from Saturday's glorious triumph. It has not worn off yet!

I am delighted I made the trip. Thanks to lister John Labbe for great seats and putting up with our yelling and cheering. 

I have been going to NU games since 1984 and that was among the very very best for excitement and atmosphere. 

See everybody in Orlando. 

Brad Wilson


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 24 01:00:55 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Nov 24 01:01:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 13
Message-ID: <835985.50949.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Great way to end the college football season for the Cats ? three big wins over our three biggest rivals (two of them ranked) to finish another Big Ten campaign above .500. And the Saints finally looked good against a subpar team, but the competition level sure steps up Monday night with the Beli-cheats.

But before then, we have a short holiday week. So pop in the DVD of ?Planes, Trains and Automobiles,? be thankful for football season, gather with friends and family and remember that those are not pillows!

Get your picks in before carving up the turkey! Have a blessed and enjoyable Thanksgiving despite some duds in the NFL matchups.

PIGSKIN PICKS ? WEEK 13
=======================
Name: 

BIG TEN
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GAME 1: Illinois @ Cincinnati
WINNER: 

NATIONAL
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GAME 2: Texas @ Texas A&M
WINNER: 

GAME 3: Alabama @ Auburn
WINNER: 

GAME 4: Pittsburgh @ West Virginia
WINNER: 

GAME 5: Clemson @ South Carolina
WINNER: 

GAME 6: Oklahoma State @ Oklahoma
WINNER: 

GAME 7: Utah @ Brigham Young
WINNER: 

GAME 8: Arkansas @ Louisiana State
WINNER: 

GAME 9: Georgia @ Georgia Tech
WINNER: 

GAME 10: Notre Dame @ Stanford
WINNER: 

MY PICKS
========
* CINCINNATI 37, Illinois 31 ? I?m tempted to go with the upset here as the Big Least is overrated and the Illini have been playing somewhat decent lately, but I just can?t.

* TEXAS 45, Texas A&M 17 ? The Horns are on their way to Pasadena while the Aggies are still trying to remember what life was like when they had R.C. Slocum and a puncher?s chance in this rivalry game.

* ALABAMA 20, Auburn 10 ? Close for a half, but then Saban tightens up the D and readies for the Gators, fresh off their Bowden feast.

* PITTSBURGH 31, West Virginia 27 ? Anything can happen in this rivalry, but I think the Panthers keep pace with the Bearcats to set up a second colossal Pittsburgh-Cincy football showdown in the last few weeks.

* CLEMSON 21, South Carolina 12 ? Could be a trap game for the Tigers, looking ahead to the ACC title match, but the SEC is down this year and Spurrier?s team lacks the offensive punch to take advantage of the chances Clemson gives them.

* OKLAHOMA 35, Oklahoma State 21 ? These are the ?next best after Texas? teams in the Big XII? How the mighty have fallen. Both looked awful last week. OU is at home this week and ends any chance of the Cowpokes in the B(C)S.

* UTAH 42, Brigham Young 38 ? Wild old-style WAC game here between bitter rivals, but the Utes are the better team.

* LSU 22, Arkansas 15 ? The Mad Hatter?s feeling the heat and finds a way to stop Petraitor?s Piggies in another battle of mid-level SEC teams.

* GEORGIA TECH 41, Georgia 24 ? Perhaps the clueless John Saunders and his mimbo sidekick will catch on that the SEC ain?t what it used to be after the Jackets run up and down on the Dawgs.

* STANFORD 56, Notre Dame 38 ? Sorry Charlie, once NBC started running clips of your ?6-5 ain?t gonna cut it? press conference during the UConn game, you had to know that the powers-that-be at NBC were calling for your ouster and they apparently have the power at your school. Should be a fun scorefest, though.

Picks due by Thursday?s kickoff!
Gobble Gobble!

GO CATS!!!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!

-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 24 07:11:05 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Nov 24 07:11:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] All Big Ten teams ...
Message-ID: <770920.21219.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://www.bigten.org/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/112309aag.html

Congrats to McManis and Phillips for making first team.

Shame on the coaches and media for not naming Kafka to the first team.

But honestly, did they vote for these a month ago? When's the last time you saw ONE and only one player from the conference champs on the first team (two Buckeyes on the media team)??? Or only ONE Buckeye for that matter??? Seems like Wootton deserved better as well. They had Decker as first team despite his injury problems.

Oh well, respect is still slow in coming -- get that chip and win that bowl game, Cats.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Nov 24 09:40:38 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Nov 24 09:40:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz speaks
Message-ID: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA02D31727@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Great article in Trib today on Fitz.
 
Couple of key quotes.
 
After beating Iowa, Fitzgerald boldly stated he didn't consider the victory an upset. After Saturday's win over Wisconsin, he instructed the media to get its facts straight when reporting Northwestern's bowl-game appeal with alums.

"I guess it's bold, but I'm not trying to overstep my bounds or pound my chest. I'm just trying to state facts," Fitzgerald said. "Every time we win a ballgame around here, it's the other team didn't play well or they made mistakes. I'm just kind of sick and tired of it. We focus on ourselves, so I'm going to talk about us.

"If nobody else is, then who else will?"

"We're just getting started here," Fitzgerald said. "Two things we need to do: Continue to win ... and the next step is to fill Ryan Field up consistently."

(NU) has a coaching staff that has helped the Wildcats go 6-1 in games decided by seven or fewer points. It has the most valuable quarterback in the Big Ten, Mike Kafka, and a defense that embodies everything Fitzgerald did as No. 51. It has a program winning by valuing character as much as talent.

Amen
 
Jeff

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Nov 24 10:08:29 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Nov 24 10:08:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz speaks
Message-ID: <200911241608.nAOG8Tdv030019@romaine.tssi.com>

> "We're just getting started here," Fitzgerald said. "Two things we need to do: Continue to win ... and the next step is to fill Ryan Field up consistently."

Does this sound like a coach who has plans to go elsewhere?  

Someone should send this quote to Tom Dienhart and others, who seem to be pushing Fitz
as a possible replacement for Charlie Weis at N*D*.  (Dienhart seems to have a mixed message,
in one note on Rival he says that Notre Dame may never be the factor it was in the past
in college football, no matter who their coach is, on another he says that Fitz would be 
a great pick for N*D*.)

Personally I think the Wall Street Journal's tongue-in-cheek suggestion that the way
to fix the problems at both Michigan and Notre Dame is to merge the two schools was
one of the funniest suggestions I've seen in years.  The Irish Wolverines, with a new
fight song by Iggy Pop?  :-)
--
Mike Nolan

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Nov 24 12:50:22 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 24 12:50:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz speaks
Message-ID: <bcd.5d8a8c7e.383d84ee@aol.com>

Concerning N*D* and their woes, I never wish ill on another person, but in  
this case I will make an exception. For Weis aka the fat man, and Clausen 
aka  the punching bag and all those flannel mouthed blowhards in South Bend I 
 hope they never have another winning season and that every Irish Catholic 
kid  from the South Side and elsewhere comes to the CATS!!!
 
 
Someone should send this quote to Tom Dienhart and others, who seem to be  
pushing Fitz
as a possible replacement for Charlie Weis at N*D*.   (Dienhart seems to 
have a mixed message,
in one note on Rival he says that  Notre Dame may never be the factor it 
was in the past
in college football, no  matter who their coach is, on another he says that 
Fitz would be 
a great  pick for N*D*.)

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Tue Nov 24 13:12:22 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (bwdolphin146@yahoo.com)
Date: Tue Nov 24 13:12:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ibrahim Campbell
Message-ID: <409725662-1259089932-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-215011252-@bda367.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

>From Philadelphia's Chestnut Hill Academy has picked NU. I have seen him play -- Sutton-esque but maybe a little more power.

Wonder if the Nov. success played a part?

Brad Wilson
Sent on the Sprint? Now Network from my BlackBerry?

From clzahn at mindspring.com  Tue Nov 24 13:19:53 2009
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Tue Nov 24 13:20:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ibrahim Campbell
Message-ID: <31405357.1259090393630.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I find his negative vibes about Stanford to be interesting.  I wonder how many other kids or parents get that impression.

Clark Zahn




From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Nov 24 23:32:36 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Nov 24 23:32:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl Poll
Message-ID: <8CC3BA7D4C12696-48A4-C7CF@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>


We are doing remarkably well in online poll for Outback preference from BT:

 

Which teams would you like to see play in the Outback Bowl?







Big Ten
 

Illinois
1%

Indiana
2%

Iowa
13%

Michigan
4%

Michigan State
3%

Minnesota
2%

Northwestern
23%

Ohio State
8%

Penn State
24%

Purdue
2%

Wisconsin
18%




SEC
 

Alabama
2%

Arkansas
1%

Auburn
6%

Florida
3%

Georgia
5%

Kentucky
44%

LSU
13%

Mississippi
6%

Mississippi State
1%

South Carolina
3%

Tennessee
15%

Vanderbilt
1%




Results current through Nov 25, 12:22 AM

Win Tickets to the Bowl
 


From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 25 00:22:52 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Nov 25 00:23:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl Poll
In-Reply-To: <8CC3BA7D4C12696-48A4-C7CF@webmail-d091.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <988880.57051.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I could go for that - a battle of the Wildcats in Tampa on New Year's morning!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


--- On Tue, 11/24/09, neonrye@aol.com <neonrye@aol.com> wrote:

> From: neonrye@aol.com <neonrye@aol.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl Poll
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 10:32 PM
> 
> We are doing remarkably well in online poll for Outback
> preference from BT:
> 
>  
> 
> Which teams would you like to see play in the Outback
> Bowl?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Big Ten
>  
> 
> Illinois
> 1%
> 
> Indiana
> 2%
> 
> Iowa
> 13%
> 
> Michigan
> 4%
> 
> Michigan State
> 3%
> 
> Minnesota
> 2%
> 
> Northwestern
> 23%
> 
> Ohio State
> 8%
> 
> Penn State
> 24%
> 
> Purdue
> 2%
> 
> Wisconsin
> 18%
> 
> 
> 
> 
> SEC
>  
> 
> Alabama
> 2%
> 
> Arkansas
> 1%
> 
> Auburn
> 6%
> 
> Florida
> 3%
> 
> Georgia
> 5%
> 
> Kentucky
> 44%
> 
> LSU
> 13%
> 
> Mississippi
> 6%
> 
> Mississippi State
> 1%
> 
> South Carolina
> 3%
> 
> Tennessee
> 15%
> 
> Vanderbilt
> 1%
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Results current through Nov 25, 12:22 AM
> 
> Win Tickets to the Bowl
>  
> 
> 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Nov 25 00:48:29 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Nov 25 00:48:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fun with numbers ...
Message-ID: <93372.29132.qm@web52901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well, it was a November to Remember with those victories over Iowa, Ill-noise and Wisconsin to cap an 8-4 season (too bad the voters apparently made their all-league picks in October), but with weeks to go before the bowl game, my mind got to speculating on what we can be thankful for as NU fans.

The decade of the 2000s is now in the books and it has to rank up there as one of the more successful in Wildcat history:

* 7 seasons with six or more wins
* 5 seasons with upper division finishes and winning marks in league play
* 5 bowl appearances
* 1 Big Ten championship
* At least one win against every Big Ten foe

Even more interesting, though, may be a breakdown by team using various timespans ...

Against our "real rivals," NU is doing wonderfully well:

NU vs. ILLINOIS
- Fitzgerald Era: 3-1
- Last five years: 4-1
- In the 2000s: 7-3
- Last 10 overall: 7-3
- Since 1995: 10-5

NU vs. WISCONSIN
- Fitzgerald Era: 1-1
- Last five years: 2-1
- In the 2000s: 4-2
- Last 10 overall: 5-5
- Since 1995: 6-5

NU vs. IOWA
- Fitzgerald Era: 3-1
- Last five years: 4-1
- In the 2000s: 4-4
- Last 10 overall: 5-5
- Since 1995: 8-5

The results are not as good against our designated rival ...

NU vs. PURDUE
- Fitzgerald Era: 2-2
- Last five years: 3-2
- In the 2000s: 4-6
- Last 10 overall: 4-6
- Since 1995: 6-9

And we also hold our own or better against the only three league schools to not make a B(C)S or Bowl Alliance bowl ...

NU vs. MINNESOTA
- Fitzgerald Era: 2-1
- Last five years: 2-1
- In the 2000s: 4-4
- Last 10 overall: 5-5
- Since 1995: 6-5

NU vs. INDIANA
- Fitzgerald Era: 2-1
- Last five years: 2-1
- In the 2000s: 6-2
- Last 10 overall: 7-3
- Since 1995: 8-3

NU vs. MICHIGAN STATE
- Fitzgerald Era: 1-3
- Last five years: 2-3
- In the 2000s: 4-4
- Last 10 overall: 4-6
- Since 1995: 5-6

But against the "Big Three," it's not so good ...

NU vs. MICHIGAN
- Fitzgerald Era: 1-2
- Last five years: 1-3
- In the 2000s: 2-5
- Last 10 overall: 2-8
- Since 1995: 4-8

NU vs. PENN STATE
- Fitzgerald Era: 0-2
- Last five years: 0-3
- In the 2000s: 2-5
- Last 10 overall: 2-8
- Since 1995: 3-8

NU vs. OHIO STATE
- Fitzgerald Era: 0-3
- Last five years: 0-4
- In the 2000s: 1-7
- Last 10 overall: 1-9
- Since 1995: 1-9

So this weekend, we owe Coach Walker and Coach Fitz and all the assistants and players and staff a big round of thanks for one heck of a decade! Let's cap it off with a BOWL GAME VICTORY!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Nov 25 07:37:52 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Nov 25 07:38:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] O'Donnell off NU beat
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270911250537g20b06ea9p7497d219a3a1d032@mail.gmail.com>

According to an email from a Sun-Times editor that was forwarded to LTP,
O'Donnell will be off the NU beat within a week:

http://www.laketheposts.com/2009/11/odonnell-leaving-nu-beat.html

Definitely good news after his views towards NU turned decidedly negative
earlier this month (and have been reflected in virtually all of his articles
since then).

As I commented at LTP, NU fans aren't looking for a homer, but we definitely
aren't looking for someone with completely negative views, either
(especially if they're essentially a personal vendetta).

Jonathan
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Nov 27 11:10:46 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Nov 27 11:10:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The view from Madison
In-Reply-To: <8CC3A8C03AA9905-9B80-150A1@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8CC3A7915D95778-3210-C4E5@webmail-d040.sysops.aol.com>
	<000601ca6c6d$c6e10070$54a30150$@com>
	<8CC3A8C03AA9905-9B80-150A1@webmail-d052.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca6f84$8f9010b0$aeb03210$@com>

I have been "cogitating" on this one for a few days so please excuse the delay in the response..

 

Some time, back in the old days of NU, the only media outlet interested was the Tribune and its
blowtorch radio station, WGN. If you remember back in the 70's, WGN had exclusive broadcast
rights as WGN, not this new CBS sponsored sports network. (It takes Dave almost a minute to
outline everything - the sports marketing, etc.)

 

I think the close ties to the Trib - they usually feed stories to them first - and the P*ssing
Off of Telander in the mid 90's (whatever that was) created a more adversarial relationship
between the Sun Times and NU Athletics. When Barnett started recruiting kids who were considered
"marginal" for NU Academics, Telander went off and eventually refused to have his degree from NU
mentioned (just like the Mushberger).

 

There is probably a valid gripe about football and basketball coverage in that everyone else has
to go to the open practices and see who is riding bikes - Dave and whoever is his color guy get
an afternoon to talk to everyone, find out who is hurt, what is in the game plan, you know, the
stuff that the Big 10 announcers don't get because they arrive Friday.  

 

I've done pregame workups as the color man, you don't have to go to practices since the coach
will usually tell you what they plan to do. I'm sure the newspaper guy in Commerce, Texas
resented that one-on-one contact every week before the game.

 

I think NU may also seem to play favorites based on the media's coverage of the team. Along with
the rest of Chicago, the "play nice with us or we'll shut you out"  philosophy may be sneaking
into the publicity arm at NU, and in response, the Sun Times, which prides itself as a blue
collar south side newspaper (down where all the ND street corner Alums live), feels it should
"stick it" to those pampered rich guys up north.

 

Hey, it sells newspapers. The Alums just need to keep bombarding the letters to the editors and
we'll eventually get our side out also. When a good argument breaks out on the message boards,
traffic soars. It's the same in the newspaper biz.

 

Meanwhile, the Sun Times comes off as whiney negative media source when they talk about our
Wildcats as circulation continues to plummet.

 

Hey Sun Times - see you in Florida!

 

rsl

 

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.

Computer Applications & Support Associates

-------------------- Also ----------------------

Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball

Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]

Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968

Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)

==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

So...

     How's that "hope" and "Change"

     Working for ya?

 

Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!

================================================

 

From: cherron604@aol.com [mailto:cherron604@aol.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 2:41 PM
To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The view from Madison

 

I wonder, sometimes, whether the praise some opponents give us (about being 'smart') isn't a
protective mechanism for them (i.e. NU beat us because they're 'smart', not because they're more
talented or better prepared).

 

On a different front, Jim O'Donnell's sniping before and after the game has shown, I think, that
he cannot cover the beat and remain objective.  Whoever the dispute is with - the University,
the Athletic Department or the team, the Sun-Times needs to do something (like let Herb Gould
work on his tan while JO sits and simmers in Chicago).

 

Saturday:

 

" The Badgers (8-2, 5-2) forage into Evanston meaning business. The Wildcats prance toward a
Grade-C bowl clinging to their annual mitigations about ''character guys'' and ''building a
foundation.''

 

Sunday:

 

"The 32,150 who showed up at Ryan Field on Saturday -- the majority of whom wore Wisconsin red
-- enabled the Wildcats to complete their seven-game home schedule with an announced average
attendance of just more than 24,000 per game. That translates to approximately 52 percent
capacity at Ryan Field. Maybe they will bring friends to the Northwestern bowl game."

 

Monday:

 

"Though Fitzgerald and athletic director Jim Phillips now must convince more prestigious bowl
committees that Northwestern ''travels well,'' the staff could have done the school a huge favor
Saturday if it had promptly released information to all significant media bolstering their case.

Instead, Fitzgerald delivered a snappy diatribe, and prospective bowls were left looking at a
school and a program that barely averaged 50 percent capacity -- approximately 24,000 per game
-- for seven home games this season.

Perhaps Phillips and Fitzgerald will correct the departmental oversight with a de facto bowl
economic-impact summary at the coach's noon news conference today."

 

Though the third one almost sounds like staff-bashing rather than Cat-bashing...It would be nice
to know his exact motives.

 

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

 




 

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: cherron604@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2009 12:49 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] The view from Madison

Well, shame on their defensive guys for not changing the signals regularly. 
Maybe they can't
count on their players being smart enough to learn new signals each week?
 
I would think the coverages would have the same names, but turning them on and 
off would require
a signal change - of course maybe the Cats also watched enough film to know 
which coverage Wiscy
was in or changing to when they did it.
 
Anyway, I get tired of players whining about another coach appearing to read 
their minds. They
were giving away their coverages, our guys were well schooled in what those 
coverages were, and
we took advantage of that. They had video of our defense, and should have been 
able to read them
also, but they didn't.
 
rsl 
 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
So...
     How's that "hope" and "Change"
     Working for ya?
 
Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
================================================
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
<mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com?> ] On Behalf 
Of
cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:25 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] The view from Madison
 
 
http://host.madison.com/sports/college/football/article_5750772e-d719-11de-93d9-001cc4c002e0.htm
l
 
The Hank/Inside info angle is very interesting, equally interesting is the 
complete respect they
have for the intelligence of our guys - they go out of their way to emphasize 
it.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 27 11:44:31 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Nov 27 11:44:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Someone's thankful ...
Message-ID: <453463.68310.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

It just occurred to me that between all the fuss in South Bend over another 6-6 season, all the rumors in Ann Arbor about an underachieving and unpopular coach and begrudgingly having to give NU some headlines for top 20 upsets ... has much been written lately about "South Bend South - where good recruiting classes go to die"?

The Zooker must be thankful for the other Chicagoland media distractions this season.:)

That said, I hope they take the Big Least down a peg today.

Go Illini???
GO CATS!!!
-SjT


* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From carljrossi at gmail.com  Fri Nov 27 12:00:18 2009
From: carljrossi at gmail.com (Carl Rossi)
Date: Fri Nov 27 12:00:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Someone's thankful ...
In-Reply-To: <453463.68310.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <453463.68310.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <936D087C-5B37-41EA-B55E-BB6AFF1D14AC@gmail.com>

Unfortunately for the Illini the Big Least is looking pretty good at  
the moment...


Carl

Sent from my iPhone
>

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 27 12:01:46 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Nov 27 12:01:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Um, perish that thought ...
Message-ID: <976529.5132.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Ill-noise started well but now have allowed 28 straight points. Granted, Cincy has no D so the Illini could still score ... but they can't stop the Bearcats.

The Illini are like a groundhog that poked their heads out at midseason to ruin Michigan's bowl chances and then went back into their hole for the rest of the winter.

Personally, I hope Weis, RichRod and the Zooker all stay around to keep stinking up their respective programs ... but I have a feeling two of the three won't be around next year.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 27 16:36:50 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Nov 27 16:36:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings
Message-ID: <837741.42289.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

At long last, a standings update!:) Thank you for your patience.

This does not include this week (week 13) results, but is updated through last weekend.

But first, the honor roll from weeks 9-12

UNANIMOUS PICKS - all of these hit
- Iowa over Indiana (W9)
- Ohio State over New Mexico State (W9)
- Florida over Georgia (W9)
- Georgia Tech over Wake Forest (W10)
- Penn State over Indiana (W11)
- Minnesota over South Dakota State (W10)
- Oregon over Arizona State (W10)

UPSET SPECIALS - some odd "winners" here!
- Michigan over Illinois (W9)
- Minnesota over Michigan State (W9)
- Illinois over Minnesota (W10)
- Purdue over Michigan (W10)
- Ohio State over Penn State (W10)
- Nebraska over Oklahoma (W10)
- Michigan State over Purdue (W11)
- Cal over Stanford (W12)
- North Carolina over Boston College (W12)

Now to the leaderboard, where Bruce is starting to pull away from the pack. A list of awards leaders is at the end - remember we have two more weeks to go!

TW? Name? ? ? ? ? ? ? Wk12???Record???Pct.? ? US? Ovrl? WP
----------------------------------------------------------
 1) B. Taylor? ? ? ? ? 8-2???108-27???.800? ???0? ? 4???12
 2) A. Wolfson? ? ? ???6-4???103-32???.763? ???0? ? 2???12
 3) T. McAdams? ? ? ???8-2???101-34???.748? ???1? ? 5???12
 4) M. Zilka? ? ? ? ???6-4? ? 93-32???.744? ???0? ? 1???11
 5) M. Ament? ? ? ? ???9-1???100-35???.741? ???1? ? 3???12
 5) J. Hodges? ? ? ? ? 7-3???100-35???.741? ???1? ? 2???12
 7) C. Herron? ? ? ? ? 7-3? ? 87-33???.725? ???0? ? 1???11
 8) I. Embrekts? ? ? ? 5-5? ? 78-32???.709? ???0? ? 4???10
 9) C. Zahn? ? ? ? ? ? 8-2? ? 80-35???.696? ???0? ? 2???10
10) C. Rossi? ? ? ? ???5-5? ? 93-42???.689? ???0? ? 3???12
11) K. Sevilla? ? ? ???8-2? ? 91-44???.674? ???0? ? 3???12
11) R. Stahl? ? ? ? ???7-3? ? 91-44???.674? ???1? ? 8???12
13) S. Truog? ? ? ? ???6-4? ? 90-45???.667? ???0? ? 3???12
14) E. Steffe? ? ? ? ? 5-5? ? 80-40???.667? ???0? ? 1???11
14) B. Winkler? ? ? ???7-3? ? 80-40???.667? ???0? ? 5???11
16) B. Waldele? ? ? ???5-5? ? 69-36???.657? ???0? ? 2???10
17) J. Bendat? ? ? ? ? 3-7? ? 66-39???.629? ???0? ? 5???10
18) P. Groves? ? ? ? ? 6-4? ? 72-43???.626? ???0? ? 2???10
19) J. Leonard? ? ? ???---? ? 64-51???.568? ???0? ? 1???10
20) L. Martinaitis? ???7-3? ? 65-50???.565? ???1? ? 3???10
22) A. McInturff? ? ???4-6? ? 75-60???.556? ???0? ? 9???12
-----
xx) B. Wilson? ? ? ? ? ---? ? 65-30???.684? ???0? ? 0? ? 8
xx) R. Bradshaw? ? ? ? ---? ? 22- 8???.733? ???0? ? 0? ? 2
xx) P. Wolfe? ? ? ? ???---? ? 18-12???.600? ???0? ? 0? ? 2
xx) C. Bailey? ? ? ? ? ---? ? 14- 1???.933? ???0? ? 0? ? 1
xx) S. Wolfson? ? ? ???---? ? 12- 3???.800? ???0? ? 0? ? 1
xx) J. Wall? ? ? ? ? ? ---? ? 11- 4???.733? ???0? ? 0? ? 1

And now a look at the other races besides the Hartl Award (overall champ) standings above ...

ROB JOHNSON "IRONMAN" AWARD
Best record of those who have competed every week
####################################################
 1) B. Taylor          108-27
 2) A. Wolfson         103-32
 3) T. McAdams         101-34

STEVE SCHNUR "ACCURACY" AWARD
Highest percentage - min. 5 weeks
######################################
 1) B. Taylor          80.0%
 2) A. Wolfson         76.3%
 3) T. McAdams         74.8%

PAT FITZGERALD "MOST HITS" AWARD
Most correct picks overall
####################################
 1) B. Taylor          108
 2) A. Wolfson         103
 3) T. McAdams         101

BRIAN MUSSO "GUTSY" AWARD
Most upset special picks
############################
 1) A. McInturff       9
 2) R. Stahl           8
 3) Three tied         5

Results for week 13 and the final week's lineup coming Sunday!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!



      

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Nov 27 21:24:36 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri Nov 27 21:26:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30105AA0C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Thanksgiving weekend upset win for Cats - great to watch.  Encouraging signs that NU will hang tough without Coble.  Shurna and Thompson lead the way, but they had impressive help.

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
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willie.weinbaum@espn.com

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Fri Nov 27 22:01:07 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 27 22:01:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30105AA0C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30105AA0C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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  Nash payed well on both sides of the ball, and Martulio chucked in 13 points, most in the 2nd hlaf.  But Shurna was awesome in both halves.  
  Maybe we are "getting over Coble".  But ND was wretched in their shooting.  Still, a great game!   
     GO CATS!!        Eric


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Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:24 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND


Thanksgiving weekend upset win for Cats - great to watch.  Encouraging signs 
hat NU will hang tough without Coble.  Shurna and Thompson lead the way, but 
hey had impressive help.
>From Blackberry - please excuse typos
W. Weinbaum
roducer
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Fri Nov 27 22:03:11 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Fri Nov 27 22:03:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I am delighted to admit I was wrong
Message-ID: <991189.71774.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

.. about basketball season being over! 
?
Great win over N*** D*** on a neutral court. Shurna stepped up to be the star he can be and there was clutch 3-point shooting as well.
?
Dare we hope?
?
bw

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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Nov 27 22:35:12 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Nov 27 22:35:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND
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References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30105AA0C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Was about to post this score--after seeing "crawl" earlier this evening during Pitt- W.Va. "Backyard Brawl" telecast (good game, by the way) with NU leading ND 30-20, which had me wondering if I had dreamt the score.:-)

Wanted to add a nice anecdote from this morning, when I was at Reunion game of my son's travel soccer team (The boys are all in college now.).  Met a Duke grad, who was a friend and former business associate of one of the other fathers.  When I told him I had gone to Northwestern, he looked at me with respect, and said "You're really building a program (in football)."  The word is getting out that NU has a coach and a plan.  It made me feel really good about the future with Fitz, when Dookies look up to our team.  I, of course, lauded their hoops prowess in turn, but the focus was on pigskin prominence.  I also had fun teasing one of my son's soccer mates, who is a freshman at Michigan, and joking about their last-place showing.  My only regret is it would have felt ten times better if it were OSU in the cellar rather than U Mich.

One week to Bowl Selection Sunday.  Can't wait.  Assuming we end up in Orlando--unless Hawaii really dumps the Badgers (even then I have no faith in the Outback people)--I hope that we Listers who are able to make it to the Champs can plan on some kind of pre-game get-together.

Paul Levinson.


-----Original Message-----
From: wildelk2@aol.com
To: Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big W over ND



 Nash payed well on both sides of the ball, and Martulio chucked in 13 points, 
ost in the 2nd hlaf.  But Shurna was awesome in both halves.  
 Maybe we are "getting over Coble".  But ND was wretched in their shooting.  
till, a great game!   
    GO CATS!!        Eric

----Original Message-----
rom: Weinbaum, Willie <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>
o: 'nwu-sports@tssi.com' <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
ent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:24 pm
ubject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND

hanksgiving weekend upset win for Cats - great to watch.  Encouraging signs 
at NU will hang tough without Coble.  Shurna and Thompson lead the way, but 
ey had impressive help.
>From Blackberry - please excuse typos
. Weinbaum
oducer
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From dale.kipp at matweb.com  Fri Nov 27 23:22:41 2009
From: dale.kipp at matweb.com (Dale Kipp)
Date: Fri Nov 27 23:23:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND
Message-ID: <1C9342CE9AB3214A86EE7BC205D0AA7B41F347@GALAXY.ACI.local>

I was struck by the similar score to our 1983 NIT victory over them - that was 71-57.  I recall that game was a real blowout, with the margin of victory dropping a bit during garbage time.
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 28 08:48:11 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov 28 08:48:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND
In-Reply-To: <8CC3DFB4F1AB885-35F0-3BF45@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30105AA0C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>	<8CC3DF68C52EEE2-2798-14E6E@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com>
	<8CC3DFB4F1AB885-35F0-3BF45@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com>
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Interesting that NOBODY has picked up on the NU Men's Soccer Team - are they not in the NCAA's
for the 5th time?


They play Tulsa Sunday for the right to play in the final 4.

I'm not a big soccer fan, but this is a big deal for Men's Sports.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
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neonrye@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 11:35 PM
To: wildelk2@aol.com; Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big W over ND



Was about to post this score--after seeing "crawl" earlier this evening during Pitt- W.Va.
"Backyard Brawl" telecast (good game, by the way) with NU leading ND 30-20, which had me
wondering if I had dreamt the score.:-)

Wanted to add a nice anecdote from this morning, when I was at Reunion game of my son's travel
soccer team (The boys are all in college now.).  Met a Duke grad, who was a friend and former
business associate of one of the other fathers.  When I told him I had gone to Northwestern, he
looked at me with respect, and said "You're really building a program (in football)."  The word
is getting out that NU has a coach and a plan.  It made me feel really good about the future
with Fitz, when Dookies look up to our team.  I, of course, lauded their hoops prowess in turn,
but the focus was on pigskin prominence.  I also had fun teasing one of my son's soccer mates,
who is a freshman at Michigan, and joking about their last-place showing.  My only regret is it
would have felt ten times better if it were OSU in the cellar rather than U Mich.

One week to Bowl Selection Sunday.  Can't wait.  Assuming we end up in Orlando--unless Hawaii
really dumps the Badgers (even then I have no faith in the Outback people)--I hope that we
Listers who are able to make it to the Champs can plan on some kind of pre-game get-together.

Paul Levinson.


-----Original Message-----
From: wildelk2@aol.com
To: Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big W over ND



 Nash payed well on both sides of the ball, and Martulio chucked in 13 points, 
ost in the 2nd hlaf.  But Shurna was awesome in both halves.  
 Maybe we are "getting over Coble".  But ND was wretched in their shooting.  
till, a great game!   
    GO CATS!!        Eric

----Original Message-----
rom: Weinbaum, Willie <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>
o: 'nwu-sports@tssi.com' <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
ent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:24 pm
ubject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND

hanksgiving weekend upset win for Cats - great to watch.  Encouraging signs 
at NU will hang tough without Coble.  Shurna and Thompson lead the way, but 
ey had impressive help.
>From Blackberry - please excuse typos
. Weinbaum
oducer
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llie.weinbaum@espn.com
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 28 09:32:33 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 28 09:32:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get together
Message-ID: <d1e.501b6f75.38429c91@aol.com>

I don't know what the NU alumni Association has planned or what our local  
NU club will do, but I will be happy to organize a get together for listers. 
Let  me know if anybody has any ideas..
 
One week to Bowl Selection Sunday.  Can't wait.  Assuming we  end up in 
Orlando--unless Hawaii really dumps the Badgers (even then I have no  faith in 
the Outback people)--I hope that we Listers who are able to make it to  the 
Champs can plan on some kind of pre-game get-together.

Paul  Levinson.


From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 28 10:19:10 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sat Nov 28 10:19:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND
In-Reply-To: <8CC3DFB4F1AB885-35F0-3BF45@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <396177.14474.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I only saw pieces of the game, but it was fun to watch. The ending in particular was nice, with Juice racing to the foul line every time he got fouled and just draining free throw after free throw. 

You have to love the start of the NUsports.com game story:

'Mark Twain once stated that, "reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated." The same holds true for the Northwestern men's basketball team.'

How true. We all assume that this team simply can't be as good without Coble as they would have been with Coble. But you also have to figure it's going to take them some time to adapt to his loss, and get to the point of being however good they can be. If Marcotullio can continue to drain clutch 3's, things could remain fairly interesting up on Central St. 

Tom





From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 28 12:02:07 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 28 12:02:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get together
In-Reply-To: <d1e.501b6f75.38429c91@aol.com>
References: <d1e.501b6f75.38429c91@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC3E6C0899EF72-5050-40AC1@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com>


Personally, I hope we can do something the afternoon of the game, as I will be driving up from Sarasota that day, but if the consensus is for something the night before, I would certainly understand.  As I recall the scene from the Citrus Bowl game (vs. Tennessee), there is an area of restaurants/bars not far from the Stadium (where you park), and perhaps we could have an "indoor" (or outdoor) tailgate, weather permitting.  I am probably going with my 20-year-old college sophomore son (Bucknell), who was with me at the Citrus (along with my dad back on January 1, 1997.  I really look forward to finally meeting some of you (other than Roy, whom I met once at an NYC alum function, Willie (an old friend) and Mark (my contemporary at NU, who served ably as ASG President).

By the way, anybody else having Big Ten football withdrawal today?:-)

Paul Levinson



-----Original Message-----
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, Nov 28, 2009 7:32 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get together


I don't know what the NU alumni Association has planned or what our local  
U club will do, but I will be happy to organize a get together for listers. 
et  me know if anybody has any ideas..

ne week to Bowl Selection Sunday.  Can't wait.  Assuming we  end up in 
rlando--unless Hawaii really dumps the Badgers (even then I have no  faith in 
he Outback people)--I hope that we Listers who are able to make it to  the 
hamps can plan on some kind of pre-game get-together.
Paul  Levinson.

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Nov 28 12:16:29 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Nov 28 12:16:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND
In-Reply-To: <396177.14474.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <8CC3DFB4F1AB885-35F0-3BF45@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com>
	<396177.14474.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001b01ca7056$e853b9e0$b8fb2da0$@com>

Just think how good they will be next year WITH Coble - you know he's coming back. Coble and
Shurna up front is BC's dream.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
So...
     How's that "hope" and "Change"
     Working for ya?

Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Tom Maycock
Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 11:19 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big W over ND

I only saw pieces of the game, but it was fun to watch. The ending in particular was nice, with
Juice racing to the foul line every time he got fouled and just draining free throw after free
throw. 

You have to love the start of the NUsports.com game story:

'Mark Twain once stated that, "reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated." The same
holds true for the Northwestern men's basketball team.'

How true. We all assume that this team simply can't be as good without Coble as they would have
been with Coble. But you also have to figure it's going to take them some time to adapt to his
loss, and get to the point of being however good they can be. If Marcotullio can continue to
drain clutch 3's, things could remain fairly interesting up on Central St. 

Tom





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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Nov 28 12:26:30 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 28 12:27:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get together
Message-ID: <1719391481-1259432833-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1611602517-@bda199.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

The best option I would think is to find out the official hotel for the team and plan there. Unlike san antonio where all the hotels are nearby they are not so in orlando 
Harry------Original Message------From: neonrye@aol.comSender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: MHRJGScott@aol.comTo: nwu-sports@tssi.comSubject: Re: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get togetherSent: Nov 28, 2009 1:02 PM

Personally, I hope we can do something the afternoon of the game, as I will be driving up from Sarasota that day, but if the consensus is for something the night before, I would certainly understand.  As I recall the scene from the Citrus Bowl game (vs. Tennessee), there is an area of restaurants/bars not far from the Stadium (where you park), and perhaps we could have an "indoor" (or outdoor) tailgate, weather permitting.  I am probably going with my 20-year-old college sophomore son (Bucknell), who was with me at the Citrus (along with my dad back on January 1, 1997.  I really look forward to finally meeting some of you (other than Roy, whom I met once at an NYC alum function, Willie (an old friend) and Mark (my contemporary at NU, who served ably as ASG President).
By the way, anybody else having Big Ten football withdrawal today?:-)
Paul Levinson


-----Original Message-----From: MHRJGScott@aol.comTo: nwu-sports@tssi.comSent: Sat, Nov 28, 2009 7:32 amSubject: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get together

I don't know what the NU alumni Association has planned or what our local  U club will do, but I will be happy to organize a get together for listers. et  me know if anybody has any ideas..
ne week to Bowl Selection Sunday.  Can't wait.  Assuming we  end up in rlando--unless Hawaii really dumps the Badgers (even then I have no  faith in he Outback people)--I hope that we Listers who are able to make it to  the hamps can plan on some kind of pre-game get-together.Paul  Levinson.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 28 12:47:47 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 28 12:48:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND
In-Reply-To: <001b01ca7056$e853b9e0$b8fb2da0$@com>
Message-ID: <121052.17262.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Great, now the Irish will be afraid to schedule us in football AND basketball! :)

Seriously though, nice win by Carmody and the Cats! Especially after all our spirits sank when Coble went out for the year - I'm sure they did on the team as well. Good coaching to get everyone ready for a top 25 team and an early NBA pick in Harangody.

I like the sound of the tourney as well -- but why not make it JUST Chicagoland teams? Invite DePaul, UIC, Loyola, NIU, etc. and make it like Philly's Big Five -- an annual December showcase of Chicagoland college hoops.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Nov 28 12:58:34 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat Nov 28 12:59:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get together
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I think my college son and I will be coming. Besides the game we're  
likely going to be playing some golf if anyone is interested.

Jeff

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> The best option I would think is to find out the official hotel for  
> the team and plan there. Unlike san antonio where all the hotels are  
> nearby they are not so in orlando
> Harry
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> Champs bowl get togetherSent: Nov 28, 2009 1:02 PM
>
> Personally, I hope we can do something the afternoon of the game, as  
> I will be driving up from Sarasota that day, but if the consensus is  
> for something the night before, I would certainly understand.  As I  
> recall the scene from the Citrus Bowl game (vs. Tennessee), there is  
> an area of restaurants/bars not far from the Stadium (where you  
> park), and perhaps we could have an "indoor" (or outdoor) tailgate,  
> weather permitting.  I am probably going with my 20-year-old college  
> sophomore son (Bucknell), who was with me at the Citrus (along with  
> my dad back on January 1, 1997.  I really look forward to finally  
> meeting some of you (other than Roy, whom I met once at an NYC alum  
> function, Willie (an old friend) and Mark (my contemporary at NU,  
> who served ably as ASG President).
> By the way, anybody else having Big Ten football withdrawal today?:-)
> Paul Levinson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----From: MHRJGScott@aol.comTo: nwu-sports@tssi.comSent 
> : Sat, Nov 28, 2009 7:32 amSubject: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get  
> together
>
> I don't know what the NU alumni Association has planned or what our  
> local  U club will do, but I will be happy to organize a get  
> together for listers. et  me know if anybody has any ideas..
> ne week to Bowl Selection Sunday.  Can't wait.  Assuming we  end up  
> in rlando--unless Hawaii really dumps the Badgers (even then I have  
> no  faith in he Outback people)--I hope that we Listers who are able  
> to make it to  the hamps can plan on some kind of pre-game get- 
> together.Paul  Levinson.
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From ddave at nusports.com  Sat Nov 28 13:20:14 2009
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Sat Nov 28 13:15:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND
Message-ID: <20091128112014.321DDF46@resin10.mta.everyone.net>

I think someone tracked last week AFTER they beat *ND* to advance to tomorrow's 3rd round. Meaning Northwestern has beaten ND the last time they've played in football, soccer and now basketball :-) (can't speak for baseball, wresting, etc.)...

Unfortunately, if the 'Cats beat Tulsa tomorrow, they probably will end up playing unbeaten and #1 ranked Akron in quarterfinals next weekend...

dave bradley
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--- rstetson@capps-assoc.com wrote:

From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: <neonrye@aol.com>, <wildelk2@aol.com>, <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>,        <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Cc:
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Big W over ND
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:48:11 -0500

Interesting that NOBODY has picked up on the NU Men's Soccer Team - are they not in the NCAA's
for the 5th time?


They play Tulsa Sunday for the right to play in the final 4.

I'm not a big soccer fan, but this is a big deal for Men's Sports.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
So...
     How's that "hope" and "Change"
     Working for ya?

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big W over ND



Was about to post this score--after seeing "crawl" earlier this evening during Pitt- W.Va.
"Backyard Brawl" telecast (good game, by the way) with NU leading ND 30-20, which had me
wondering if I had dreamt the score.:-)

Wanted to add a nice anecdote from this morning, when I was at Reunion game of my son's travel
soccer team (The boys are all in college now.).  Met a Duke grad, who was a friend and former
business associate of one of the other fathers.  When I told him I had gone to Northwestern, he
looked at me with respect, and said "You're really building a program (in football)."  The word
is getting out that NU has a coach and a plan.  It made me feel really good about the future
with Fitz, when Dookies look up to our team.  I, of course, lauded their hoops prowess in turn,
but the focus was on pigskin prominence.  I also had fun teasing one of my son's soccer mates,
who is a freshman at Michigan, and joking about their last-place showing.  My only regret is it
would have felt ten times better if it were OSU in the cellar rather than U Mich.

One week to Bowl Selection Sunday.  Can't wait.  Assuming we end up in Orlando--unless Hawaii
really dumps the Badgers (even then I have no faith in the Outback people)--I hope that we
Listers who are able to make it to the Champs can plan on some kind of pre-game get-together.

Paul Levinson.


-----Original Message-----
From: wildelk2@aol.com
To: Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big W over ND



 Nash payed well on both sides of the ball, and Martulio chucked in 13 points, 
ost in the 2nd hlaf.  But Shurna was awesome in both halves.  
 Maybe we are "getting over Coble".  But ND was wretched in their shooting.  
till, a great game!   
    GO CATS!!        Eric

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o: 'nwu-sports@tssi.com' <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
ent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:24 pm
ubject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND

hanksgiving weekend upset win for Cats - great to watch.  Encouraging signs 
at NU will hang tough without Coble.  Shurna and Thompson lead the way, but 
ey had impressive help.
>From Blackberry - please excuse typos
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 28 13:42:53 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 28 13:43:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get together
Message-ID: <c32.65e572d8.3842d73d@aol.com>

The Citrus bowl is not in a nice neighborhood, it is close to downtown but  
not within safe walking distance of any bars or  hotels. 
From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 28 14:25:11 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Nov 28 14:25:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get together
Message-ID: <2260745.1259439911697.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

My daughter and I might fly out from L.A. It all depends upon whether or not she can get off work. The name of the team hotel is the Rosen Shingle Creek. If you call them and say you're coming in for the Champs Sports Bowl, it's $105 per night. - Jim B.

From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Nov 28 14:35:24 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 28 14:35:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get together
Message-ID: <1143189991-1259440512-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-944754714-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

You are the expert here.:-)
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The Citrus bowl is not in a nice neighborhood, it is close to downtown but  
not within safe walking distance of any bars or  hotels. 
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov 28 16:32:35 2009
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sat Nov 28 16:32:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND
In-Reply-To: <20091128112014.321DDF46@resin10.mta.everyone.net>
References: <20091128112014.321DDF46@resin10.mta.everyone.net>
Message-ID: <578652.75368.qm@web83908.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

The Cats still have to win tomorrow, but they did beat 5th seeded Akron in the third round last year, 1-0 in Evanston.




________________________________
From: dave bradley <ddave@nusports.com>
To: Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
Cc: wildelk2@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com; neonrye@aol.com
Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 1:20:14 PM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Big W over ND

I think someone tracked last week AFTER they beat *ND* to advance to tomorrow's 3rd round. Meaning Northwestern has beaten ND the last time they've played in football, soccer and now basketball :-) (can't speak for baseball, wresting, etc.)...

Unfortunately, if the 'Cats beat Tulsa tomorrow, they probably will end up playing unbeaten and #1 ranked Akron in quarterfinals next weekend...

dave bradley
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(717) 333-7611-cell
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--- rstetson@capps-assoc.com wrote:

From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: <neonrye@aol.com>, <wildelk2@aol.com>, <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>,? ? ? ? <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Cc:
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Big W over ND
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:48:11 -0500

Interesting that NOBODY has picked up on the NU Men's Soccer Team - are they not in the NCAA's
for the 5th time?


They play Tulsa Sunday for the right to play in the final 4.

I'm not a big soccer fan, but this is a big deal for Men's Sports.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All? ===========
So...
? ? How's that "hope" and "Change"
? ? Working for ya?

Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
================================================

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neonrye@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 11:35 PM
To: wildelk2@aol.com; Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big W over ND



Was about to post this score--after seeing "crawl" earlier this evening during Pitt- W.Va.
"Backyard Brawl" telecast (good game, by the way) with NU leading ND 30-20, which had me
wondering if I had dreamt the score.:-)

Wanted to add a nice anecdote from this morning, when I was at Reunion game of my son's travel
soccer team (The boys are all in college now.).? Met a Duke grad, who was a friend and former
business associate of one of the other fathers.? When I told him I had gone to Northwestern, he
looked at me with respect, and said "You're really building a program (in football)."? The word
is getting out that NU has a coach and a plan.? It made me feel really good about the future
with Fitz, when Dookies look up to our team.? I, of course, lauded their hoops prowess in turn,
but the focus was on pigskin prominence.? I also had fun teasing one of my son's soccer mates,
who is a freshman at Michigan, and joking about their last-place showing.? My only regret is it
would have felt ten times better if it were OSU in the cellar rather than U Mich.

One week to Bowl Selection Sunday.? Can't wait.? Assuming we end up in Orlando--unless Hawaii
really dumps the Badgers (even then I have no faith in the Outback people)--I hope that we
Listers who are able to make it to the Champs can plan on some kind of pre-game get-together.

Paul Levinson.


-----Original Message-----
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To: Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 11:01 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big W over ND



Nash payed well on both sides of the ball, and Martulio chucked in 13 points, 
ost in the 2nd hlaf.? But Shurna was awesome in both halves.? 
Maybe we are "getting over Coble".? But ND was wretched in their shooting.? 
till, a great game!? 
? ? GO CATS!!? ? ? ? Eric

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ent: Fri, Nov 27, 2009 10:24 pm
ubject: [NU Sports] Big W over ND

hanksgiving weekend upset win for Cats - great to watch.? Encouraging signs 
at NU will hang tough without Coble.? Shurna and Thompson lead the way, but 
ey had impressive help.
>From Blackberry - please excuse typos
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Nov 28 17:03:58 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Nov 28 17:04:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get together
Message-ID: <21718184.1259449438784.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I think we'll all be a lot more involved a year from now on Thanksgiving weekend when Big Ten games are still going on. - Jim B.

-----Original Message-----
>From: neonrye@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get together
>
>By the way, anybody else having Big Ten football withdrawal today?:-)
>
>Paul Levinson
>

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Nov 28 17:33:25 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Nov 28 17:34:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Champs bowl get together
Message-ID: <c3d.6b7727ac.38430d45@aol.com>

Shingle creek is very nice, mostly used for convention types, good golf  
course, not downtown but near Sea World, the tourist central strip  of 
International Drive, Universal, upscale Millennia Mall, and a  good bit North of 
Disney. Also handy for the airport. For the bargain  conscious it might help 
to include Sanford airport and Daytona Beach  airport in airfare searches, 
some smaller markets fly directly into those two.  Tampa is a good hour away 
but also possible.  Southwest and JetBlue are my  favorites here.
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Nov 28 20:18:43 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Nov 28 20:18:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Interesting day for the B(C)S ...
Message-ID: <620181.91243.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hmmmmmm ... gonna be tougher and tougher for the B(C)S to avoid taking both TCU and Boise State after this week. It also looks to be an intriguing day for our probable bowl opponent in Orlando, as UNC took a tumble.

But first, a brief aside :) ...

The SEC is a lock for twoteams ... however, despite the CBS hype machine, the league is really down this year. If LSU loses to Arkansas, only two teams will finish above .500 in league play and in the top 20. 

Kind of interesting how a couple years back when OSU and Michigan met at the end of the season as #1 vs. #2 and played a thriller, St. Urban and the SEC folk cried foul at the talk of a rematch -- despite the Big Ten being loaded that year with Wisconsin also at 10 wins.

Yet if Bama/Florida play a close game next week and Texas gets upset, I have a feeling SEC nation will be demanding a rematch in Pasadena instead of allowing TCU or Boise State into the title game. Yet their league is far from loaded this year and is far closer to being a "two team league" than the Big Ten.

Guess the SEC and CBS just do a better job with the hype, as opposed to ABC and their buffoons in the studio who constantly deride their bread and butter league that give them big ratings and big attendance while trying in vain to puff up the Big Least or Big XII.

But anyway, on to the BCS ...

- The SEC and Big Ten are all but assured of two teams now. And the B(C)S folk are probably wishing they could take three to fill seats because it's looking like there will be a LOT of empty stadiums out there. After that??? Well ...

- The ACC is a mess, with Clemson getting blown out today GaTech struggling with Georgia, they are the picture of mediocrity. Oddly, two teams not in the title game are their best chances for at-large bids because VaTech can bring fans and Miami brings tradition. Their problem with getting two bids is that the Orange gets the first pick (after compensation) and they won't want two ACC teams. So they're probably left with one bid.

- The Big Least took a big hit with Pitt's loss and Cincy's D looking mighty sieve-like against the woeful Illini. Don't listen to that fool John Saunders and the Mimbo next to him - one bid max.

- The Big XII, after all the hype last year, has turned out to be a huge disappointment this year. They will only have one team in the top 20 and only can double dip if Nebraska upsets Texas.

- The Pac 10 is the wild card ... they really only have one team who would be attractive as an at-large selection and those darned Trojans are sneaking back into the top 14 with all the losses today. 

Still, there'd be an uproar if a 3-loss Pac 10 team was taken over a Boise team that beat the Pac 10 champ (probably).

The Pac 10 thing may be worth keeping an eye on, though. If the Fiesta takes SC and not Iowa with their compensation pick, the Orange would probably take Penn State over Iowa, so it could alter Big Ten order slightly and the Hawkeyes could drop from Fiesta to Citrus.

The other effect on NU is that we should creep closer to the rankings with all the losses by teams #12-25 today. It's a real slap in the face that only three teams are ranked and something we need to start addressing in bowl games and nonconference victories. An 8-4 team that finished in 4th place in the Big Ten should be right up there for top 25 consideration!

Like I said at the start of the year, I think Big Ten football is in the position Big Ten basketball was in last year -- everyone knows the 2-3 teams at the top but they don't respect the middle. But after a year of solid tourney performances and big wins, now we have six teams ranked and others pulling upsets over top 25 teams. If we can get some bowl wins (and I like most of our matchups as projected), maybe next year we'll get some Big Ten respect back and a fourth place team will be top 20 material.

Or maybe we just need to get rid of Saunders, the Mimbo, Musburger and such and hire the CBS hype machine.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Nov 28 21:02:12 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat Nov 28 21:03:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Thriller over previously undefeated Iowa State
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30105AA27@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

And back-to-back games that rate among the best two straight in NU history.

Great defensive adjustments in second half and use of the roster by Carmody.  Shurna and Thompson again lead way, but Nash, Marcotullio and unsung Curletti with big help.

Great to see Cats rally from eight points down.



>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 29 03:47:48 2009
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Sun Nov 29 03:47:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Thriller over previously undefeated Iowa State
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30105AA27@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30105AA27@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <164953.5714.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

My favorite stat, from the WGN postgame show: it's the first time the NU men's basketball team has won a tournament of any kind since 1993.



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To: "nwu-sports@tssi.com" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:02:12 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Thriller over previously undefeated Iowa State

And back-to-back games that rate among the best two straight in NU history.

Great defensive adjustments in second half and use of the roster by Carmody.? Shurna and Thompson again lead way, but Nash, Marcotullio and unsung Curletti with big help.

Great to see Cats rally from eight points down.



>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Nov 29 07:01:33 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun Nov 29 07:03:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Thriller over previously undefeated Iowa State
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30105AA31@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

NU 72 ND 58
NU 67 Iowa St 65 (comeback win after nine-point second-half deficit)

The Wildcats haven't had comparable success in non-conference back-to-back games away from Evanston in 41 years, according to a quick check of the NU media guide online @ 

http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/09-m-baskbl-media-guide.html

In 1968, the Cats beat Florida and B.C. in the Gator Bowl Classic (I don't know what the records of the Gators and Eagles were, so perhaps the wins over undefeated ND & ISU this weekend are even greater).  That season didn't turn out too well (the previous season was the only one the Cats have had since 1960 in which they finished over .500 in Big Ten conference games - - they were 8-6 in the Big Ten for three seasons in a row from 1957-58 through 1959-60 and have only been as good as 8-6 the one time since).

The Big Ten Network telecast also mentioned 1993 as the Cats' last champiosnhip in a tournament, but noted that it was the Hatter Classic in Florida and the wins were against Northeastern and Rider.   

The tournament this weekend wasn't far from Evanston but was very far from what we/NU fans have been used to and it was very encouraging to see how this team has worked to overcome the loss of its best player and a key role player.  It's still very early and there's no telling how things will work out the rest of the way with a tough conference schedule ahead (and a game at North Carolina State this Tuesday), but there is much more talent, balance and confidence than I can remember seeing.  Carmody seems much more comfortable with the players he has and the strategies he can employ.  In addition to the mature and sparkling play of Thompson, Shurna and Nash, Marcotullio has injected instant offense and smart and aggressive (even brash) play that has made a crucial difference in both games.  

These were significant hard-fought wins that warrant good feeling for the team and optimism.  The players have belief and it shows in the way they play and in the way Carmody is coaching.  Nash's clutch free throws last night after Curletti's stunning three-pointer (NU alums Revsine and Morris were audibly cringing as they called the play on TV) helped complete a Thanksgiving weekend to remember for NU faithful.

Go Cats,
Willie

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Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 4:48 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Thriller over previously undefeated Iowa State

My favorite stat, from the WGN postgame show: it's the first time the NU men's basketball team has won a tournament of any kind since 1993.

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To: "nwu-sports@tssi.com" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, November 28, 2009 7:02:12 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Thriller over previously undefeated Iowa State

And back-to-back games that rate among the best two straight in NU history.

Great defensive adjustments in second half and use of the roster by Carmody.  Shurna and Thompson again lead way, but Nash, Marcotullio and unsung Curletti with big help.


>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

From NEONRye at aol.com  Sun Nov 29 14:53:44 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 29 14:53:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Updated Bowl Projections
Message-ID: <ce1.5af846ad.38443958@aol.com>

CBSSport.com now has us playing Clemson @ Champs:  
_http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions_ 
(http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions) 
 
Stream of Consciousness:  Listening to Jets game, and TYRELL SUTTON  just 
involved in play for the Panthers.
 
ESPN has a split--Mark Schlabach has us playing Miami in the Champs, while  
Bruce Feldman matches NU with Auburn at the Outback:  
_http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections_ 
(http://espn.go.com/college-football/bowls/projections) 
 
Paul Levinson
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 29 16:45:12 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 29 16:45:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 14
Message-ID: <758599.86611.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Standings out in a sec, but wanted to get the slate out first ...

Well, we?ve reached the end of the road. It?s been a fantastic college football season as usual ? especially in the Big Ten and Pac 10, which have enjoyed strong years of depth and quality ? along with some great games. The Big Ten should wind up with three top 10 teams and the Pac 10 race is as wild as ever. It?s also been an unusually strong year for my two teams ? hopefully that continues tomorrow night in New Orleans! Now we just wait for the B(C)S to come in and screw it all up!

Championship Weekend is bigger than usual this year, as the Pac 10 and Big East try and build on the Big Ten?s example (Iowa-OSU thriller) to show that you can have a TRUE championship game that is every bit as good or better than these made-for-TV games. The hype is all around the SEC game, of course, but we could see some good games in the ACC and Big XII as well.

Picks are due by THURSDAY NIGHT?S kickoff in Eugene as the Civil War decides whether it will be Bucks and Ducks or a battle of the OSUs in Pasadena. Enjoy a great weekend of pigskin!

PIGSKIN PICKS ? WEEK 14
=======================
Name: 

BIG TEN
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GAME 1: Fresno State @ Illinois
WINNER: 

GAME 2: Wisconsin@ Hawaii
WINNER: 

NATIONAL
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GAME 3: Oregon State @ Oregon
WINNER: 

GAME 4: Cincinnati @ Pittsburgh
WINNER: 

GAME 5: California @ Washington
WINNER: 

GAME 6: Central Michigan vs. Ohio (MAC Championship)
WINNER: 

GAME 7: East Carolina vs. Houston (CUSA Championship)
WINNER: 

GAME 8: Clemson vs. Georgia Tech (ACC Championship)
WINNER: 

GAME 9: Alabama vs. Florida (SEC Championship)
WINNER: 

GAME 10: Nebraska vs. Texas (Big XII Championship)
WINNER: 

MY PICKS
========
* FRESNO STATE 31, Illinois 21 ? The Illini had the game against Cincy in their grasp ? literally ? and blew it. Fresno played Cincy and Wisky tougher than the Zookers did and they won?t quit on their coach. Bye Bye, Zook.

* WISCONSIN 35, Hawaii 21 ? The Warriors are on a roll and had a nice win over Navy, but the Badgers come in angry after the loss to NU and won?t blow it.

* OREGON 41, Oregon State 33 ? Should be a heck of a Civil War and I know the Beavers would love to get some payback, but the Ducks win at home.

* PITTSBURGH 28, Cincinnati 24 ? A rematch of the AFC North slugfest in Heinz Field a few weeks ago but with different results. The Panthers come in bruised off the brawl loss, but the Bearcats? D looked awful against Illinois and the coaching rumors will be a distraction. Pitt slows the game down and runs over Cincy.

* WASHINGTON 38, California 31 ? The most intriguing non-title match of the day could be a wild shootout in Seattle. The Huskies cap off a good first year under a new coach with a big win over the Bears, who aren?t quite ready for the big bowl game they could get with a win.

* CENTRAL MICHIGAN 49, Ohio 24 ? Too bad Temple?s not here, it would have made a good story ? but either way, CMU rolls to the MAC title.

* EAST CAROLINA 35, Houston 33 ? The Cougars are the Cincinnati of the south ? lots of flash on offense, but horrible defense. The Pirates save us from the overrated Cougars whining about their bowl bid when they give up 50 to UTEP!

* CLEMSON 27, Georgia Tech 23 ? I like the upset here, as both were exposed as merely mediocre last week and the Tigers have had time to adjust to the Jackets? offense since their earlier meeting. Plus Clemson will have more fans (but there will be more empty seats than fans overall).

* TEXAS 45, Nebraska 10 ? The Huskers might keep it close for awhile, but once the Horns get up two scores on the punchless cornheads, it?s over.

* FLORIDA 31, Alabama 21 ? Yadda yadda yadda ? all the hype and it will be pretty much the same game we saw a year ago. Back and forth for three quarters. Then it?s Tebow Time with some help from the SEC officials and the Gators pull away while we get to listen to endless Tebow Talk from the CBS crew, endless odes of adoration from Gator fans and endless pompous sanctimony from St. Urban. Ugh. Seriously, they should just erect a bronze statue of Tebow at the stadium in Gainesville and let the media, fans and officials all stand in line to pucker up. He seems to be a nice guy and all, but I think everyone outside of Gator Nation wanted to gag with the Tebow farewell tour two years ago.

Picks due by Thursday?s kickoff in Oregon.
Hope everyone had a happy Thanksgiving.
GO CATS!!!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 29 16:48:53 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Nov 29 16:49:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings 'n' Polls
Message-ID: <335828.89826.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Only one unanimous pick this week (GaTech) and we were all wrong ... no upset specials hit. So let's get right to the big board, where Bruce didn't quite slam the door on Alan and the others heading into the final week.

TW  Name              Wk13   Record   Pct.    US  Ovrl  WP
----------------------------------------------------------
 1) B. Taylor          5-5   113-32   .779     0    4   13
 2) A. Wolfson         7-3   110-35   .759     0    2   13
 3) M. Ament           8-2   108-37   .745     0    3   13
 3) J. Hodges          8-2   108-37   .745     0    2   13
 5) M. Zilka           ---    93-32   .744     0    1   11
 6) T. McAdams         6-4   107-38   .738     0    5   13
 7) I. Embrekts        9-1    87-33   .725     0    4   11
 8) C. Herron          7-3    94-36   .723     0    1   12
 9) C. Zahn            8-2    88-37   .704     0    2   11
10) K. Sevilla         ---    91-44   .674     0    3   12
11) B. Waldele         8-2    77-38   .670     0    2   11
12) C. Rossi           4-6    97-48   .669     0    3   13
12) E. Steffe          7-3    87-43   .669     0    1   12
14) B. Winkler         ---    80-40   .667     0    5   11
15) S. Truog           6-4    96-49   .662     0    3   13
16) R. Stahl           3-7    94-51   .648     0    8   13
17) J. Bendat          5-5    71-44   .617     0    5   11
18) P. Groves          4-6    76-49   .608     0    2   11
19) A. McInturff       7-3    82-63   .566     0    9   13
-----
xx) J. Leonard         ---    64-51   .568     0    1   10
xx) L. Martinaitis     ---    65-50   .565     0    3   10
xx) B. Wilson          ---    65-30   .xxx     0    0    8
xx) R. Bradshaw        ---    22- 8   .733     0    0    2
xx) P. Wolfe           ---    18-12   .600     0    0    2
xx) C. Bailey          ---    14- 1   .933     0    0    1
xx) S. Wolfson         ---    12- 3   .800     0    0    1
xx) J. Wall            ---    11- 4   .733     0    0    1

And one more look at the SjTop 25 before Championship Weekend ...

LW TW SjTOP 25
==============
01 01 FLORIDA (12-0) ? Out-thugged Noles, cocky heading to ATL
02 02 TEXAS (12-0) ? Defense has holes, but Colt is catching fire
03 03 ALABAMA (12-0) ? Showed poise in narrow Iron Bowl escape
04 04 TCU (12-0) ? Looking good heading into B(C)S bowl
05 05 BOISE STATE (12-0) ? Certainly worthy of B(C)S bid
06 06 CINCINNATI (11-0) ? Didn?t look like top 5 team vs. Illini
08 07 OREGON (9-2) ? This Civil War will be like no other
09 08 OHIO STATE (10-2) ? Haven?t been to Pasadena since 1997
11 09 IOWA (10-2) ? Winning ugly, but sitting pretty for BCS
12 10 PENN STATE (10-2) ? Looking good for a Florida bowl game
07 11 GEORGIA TECH (10-2) ? So much for the ACC being good
21 12 BRIGHAM YOUNG (10-2) ? Gutsy win over Utes
16 13 OREGON STATE (8-3) ? Can pay Ducks back for last year
14 14 VIRGINIA TECH (9-3) ? May be the best team in the ACC
18 15 SOUTHERN CAL (8-3) ? Sneaking back up into BCS range
10 16 PITTSBURGH (9-2) ? Looking ahead, or just overrated?
19 17 NEBRASKA (9-3) ? Starting to peak at right time
20 18 LSU (9-3) ? Squeaked by again for another win
24 19 CALIFORNIA (8-3) ? Can improve bowl position vs. 
25 20 STANFORD (8-4) ? Porous D, but one heckuva O
22 21 UTAH (9-3) ? Three losses to three good teams
13 22 OKLAHOMA STATE (9-3) ? Blew yet another chance for B(C)S
NR 23 NORTHWESTERN (8-4) ? Finished the season on a roll
NR 24 WISCONSIN (8-3) ? NU loss a bummer to end a solid season
NR 25 MIAMI (9-3) ? Most up and down team of the season

DROPPED OUT: (15) Miami, (17) North Carolina, (23) Mississippi
ON THE VERGE: Oklahoma, Texas Tech, West Virginia

Get those picks in by THURSDAY!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Nov 29 19:31:57 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Nov 29 19:32:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Mens Soccer Tourney
Message-ID: <8CC3F740A4CE3F5-145C-5C51A@webmail-m001.sysops.aol.com>


Our Soccer 'Cats lost today by a 1-0 score to Tulsa.  Kudos for another great season.  We are definitely a rising power in soccer, with a respected Coach, Tim Lenahan, and some solid recruiting, which seems to be on a broad scale geographically.

Paul Levinson
From jintsjason at me.com  Sun Nov 29 22:12:09 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sun Nov 29 22:12:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 
	Don; t know if anyone else saw this article on Tyrell...
Message-ID: <722155FD-8A84-4FD4-A147-C9CF2D857822@me.com>

http://www.heraldonline.com/sports/story/1770643.html

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Nov 30 06:27:10 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Nov 30 06:27:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Don;
	t know if anyone else saw this article on Tyrell...
In-Reply-To: <722155FD-8A84-4FD4-A147-C9CF2D857822@me.com>
References: <722155FD-8A84-4FD4-A147-C9CF2D857822@me.com>
Message-ID: <23103879-3B48-4640-8FB2-604F32D17C7E@covisint.com>

Great article. Shows that even in the pro's, desire and smarts can  
trump raw athleticism.

Jeff

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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Mon Nov 30 10:41:39 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Mon Nov 30 10:42:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7C033@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

According to Lindsay Wilhite in the Daily Herald, a little birdie in the Northwestern athletic department says it's 80 percent the Wildcats go to Orlando for Champs on Dec. 29.  

Which may, of course, ultimately prove true. 

In the meantime, it's:

1) Indisputable that the Outback Bowl Jan. 1 in Tampa ranks higher on the bowl food chain, and 

2) Someone within the university and within the Northwestern athletic department as well are clearly angling for going Outback. To wit, this just now from the department's Twitter feed: "NU_Sports: Vote early, vote often! RT @NorthwesternU: Vote for #Northwestern to play in the Outback Bowl. We're in 1st now! http://bit.ly/893APB"

So:

3) Might it be that we might yet be Tampa-bound?

Go Wildcats!

From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Nov 30 10:49:36 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 30 10:49:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] ESPN Predictions
Message-ID: <8CC3FF43BF01B1F-BC8-7E0B@webmail-m051.sysops.aol.com>


Looks like a posted a "stale" ESPN Bowl Projection page yesterday.  Here's the updated one for Week 13, in which both Mark Schlabach and Bruce Feldman pick NU for the OUTBACK (against Ole Miss and Tennessee, respectively).  I wouldn't mind a chance for revenge against the Vols, 12 years after the Citrus, as this time they won't be lining up Peyton Manning at QB and Peerless Price at WR.  And Lane Kiffin is kind of a young, snotty jerk, so Fitz will have all of the press angles in his favor.  

Paul Levinson
From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Nov 30 11:02:19 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 30 11:03:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback
Message-ID: <698728567-1259600598-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-327980247-@bda199.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Certainly if wisky beats Hawaii we would have very little legitimate claim to go to Tampa.  If wisky does lose to hawaii and we get snubbed again (assuming 2 BCS teams from the BT) then we can probably assume that the Outback has no use for us now or ever and take the hint that 3 times snubbed means forget it

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback
Sent: Nov 30, 2009 8:41 AM

According to Lindsay Wilhite in the Daily Herald, a little birdie in the Northwestern athletic department says it's 80 percent the Wildcats go to Orlando for Champs on Dec. 29.  

Which may, of course, ultimately prove true. 

In the meantime, it's:

1) Indisputable that the Outback Bowl Jan. 1 in Tampa ranks higher on the bowl food chain, and 

2) Someone within the university and within the Northwestern athletic department as well are clearly angling for going Outback. To wit, this just now from the department's Twitter feed: "NU_Sports: Vote early, vote often! RT @NorthwesternU: Vote for #Northwestern to play in the Outback Bowl. We're in 1st now! http://bit.ly/893APB"

So:

3) Might it be that we might yet be Tampa-bound?

Go Wildcats!

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From fredradewagen at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 16:13:18 2009
From: fredradewagen at gmail.com (Fred Radewagen)
Date: Mon Nov 30 13:16:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] respect
In-Reply-To: <200911191926.nAJJQPMq024028@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200911191926.nAJJQPMq024028@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <4B05C2FE.3090807@gmail.com>

I've just been looking over my menu of TV choices for the weekend.  
Let's see now.  We have one Big Ten team with a bye (IL), so that leaves 
the other 10 playing five games.   Indiana and Purdue are out of it so 
they are playing mainly for state pride but the other eight teams are 
still in the post-season hunt.  Well, I see OSU-MI and IA-MN are being 
televised nationally and MSU-PSU is being carried here in the DC area as 
the ABC late regional game, so who's missing?   Grrrr.

Fred

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Nov 30 14:33:15 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Nov 30 14:31:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] respect
Message-ID: <ccf.621eabd0.3845860b@aol.com>

Our game against NC st is on espn u tomorrow  night
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Nov 30 15:07:31 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Nov 30 15:07:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Goodbye Charlie
Message-ID: <003401ca7201$218a0e70$649e2b50$@com>

So the Weis-man is out at N**** D***. I bet he has an Offensive Consultant job with an NFL club
later today.

Too bad he's gone, we could have used another year recruiting against him in Chicago and
Illinois. 

Now, I wonder if the Zooker has faxed is resume over to South Bend yet? Or will we soon see
Kevin Wilson at the Golden Dome along with the rest of the NU/OU gang.

rsl



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 30 18:56:05 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Nov 30 18:56:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Goodbye Charlie
In-Reply-To: <003401ca7201$218a0e70$649e2b50$@com>
Message-ID: <196294.4328.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Lots of sanctimonious and pompous BS at the press conference.

Stoops is a pipe dream - more likely they'll ruin Cincy's perfect season by releasing the hounds of speculation on Kelley all month.

Herbstreit was right on GameDay - Notre Dame is irrelevant. They haven't been a factor in the national scene since 1993.

Coincidentally (or maybe not), that's the first year of the present-day Big Ten configuration with Penn State joining.

Since then, the Big Ten has three different teams who have run the table at 12-0 and won (or should have won) national championships. We usually get two B(C)S entries. All home games are now televised and we are the leader along with the SEC in attendance and ratings.

Notre Dame had their chance to join and chose their path to irrelevance over their faculty's recommendation. Their loss.

Sorry Charlie.
Sorry Domers.

Looking back at 1993, it's pretty clear PSU made the right call and Notre Dame did not. They're going to run through that NBC money pretty quick if they keep buying out big contracts and paying off their new hiree's buyout clause. And if the Big Ten was smart, they'd cut 'em off from all but one of their meaningful football games each year by refusing to schedule them.

The best part of the article this morning may have been the part about the players' meeting today to decide whether they would want to play in the Motor City Bowl. Um, it's not like you have any options there, fellas. They apparently still have that arrogance and haven't learned their lesson yet.

Now, back to winning football teams who will be in more meaningful bowl games, it looks like we'll be playing Clemson unless they upset Tech this weekend. The Tigers will bring a lot of fans, but I like how we match up with them more than VaTech's Beamerball vs. our special teams or Miami's speed and home-state cockiness.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

