From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 08:26:59 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Jun  1 08:27:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] New Rose Bowl contract
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I don't know how correct this blog entry is - since the ABC/Big Ten/Pac 10
contract with the Rose Bowl actually didn't expire until 2013 (which was one
of the roadblocks in creating a playoff or Plus-One in coming seasons).
What I believe the article is speaking about is the new BCS contract with
the Orange/Fiesta/Sugar Bowls (& National Championship Game) which is
currently with FOX and will be going to ESPN starting with the 2010-2011
season.  The current Rose Bowl contract will remain in effect until 2013
(although there is a clause in the contract allowing ABC/ESPN to move the
game to ESPN if the other BCS games are also on ESPN, which they will be
beginning in January 2011).

It isn't exactly clear how this rule will be applied, but seemingly it means
that a non-BCS conference champion will always be in BCS games.  Note that
since the addition of the National Championship game (making a total of 10
BCS slots), such a team has always been included in the BCS (Boise State,
Hawaii, and Utah).  So, if this is indeed formalized, it wouldn't really be
turning over a new leaf.  And likely what will happen is that the lowest
bowl in the picking order (which rotates every year) will be stuck with such
a team - which is basically what happened in the past 3 years with the
aforementioned WAC/MWC teams.

What will be interesting to see is what happens with the ABC/Big Ten/Pac
10/Rose Bowl contract when it comes up for renewal - if ESPN will try to
combine it with the other contract to remove an obstacle to a Plus One or
playoff, or if the conferences and Rose Bowl continue to try and hold them
to tradition - although that tradition has been broken numerous times this
decade after the implementation of the BCS.

Jonathan

On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't remember seeing this come across here before but if I missed in
> then
> I apologize.  Apparently, in the new BCS contract with ESPN, there is a new
> wrinkle to the selection of teams in the Rose Bowl.  Remember that ABC/ESPN
> have a separate contract with the Rose Bowl, Pac-10 and Big Ten, but now
> that they are all one big happy family again, I suppose this was all agreed
> to.  If the Rose Bowl loses a team to the National Championship game, it
> automatically takes the qualifying conference champion of a coalition
>  (i.e.
> non-BCS Six) conferences:
>
>
> http://blogs.ajc.com/barnhart-college-football/2009/05/29/sec-headed-to-a-big-payday-in-2010/
>
> So, the next time that USC makes the championship game the Big Ten gets to
> play Boise
> Mark
>
> Mark S. Ament
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 09:16:47 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Mon Jun  1 09:16:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] New Rose Bowl contract
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That was my first instinct too Jonathan but I have seen this now in a couple
of different places. It grew out of the SEC spring meetings which makes me
think it a bit suspect.  I especially don't trust the SEC when it comes to
anything having to do with the Rose Bowl or the Big Ten.  Nevertheless, it
could have been something that ABC/ESPN negotiated into the current contract
in aanticipation of bidding for the BCS contract when it came up for
renewal.  That would not have surprised although the Rose Bowl and the
conferences agreeing to it would definitely surprise me, especially since
the talk at that time was of the three parties pulling out the BCS
altogether.
Mark

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On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Jonathan Hodges
<jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>wrote:

> I don't know how correct this blog entry is - since the ABC/Big Ten/Pac 10
> contract with the Rose Bowl actually didn't expire until 2013 (which was one
> of the roadblocks in creating a playoff or Plus-One in coming seasons).
> What I believe the article is speaking about is the new BCS contract with
> the Orange/Fiesta/Sugar Bowls (& National Championship Game) which is
> currently with FOX and will be going to ESPN starting with the 2010-2011
> season.  The current Rose Bowl contract will remain in effect until 2013
> (although there is a clause in the contract allowing ABC/ESPN to move the
> game to ESPN if the other BCS games are also on ESPN, which they will be
> beginning in January 2011).
>
> It isn't exactly clear how this rule will be applied, but seemingly it
> means that a non-BCS conference champion will always be in BCS games.  Note
> that since the addition of the National Championship game (making a total of
> 10 BCS slots), such a team has always been included in the BCS (Boise State,
> Hawaii, and Utah).  So, if this is indeed formalized, it wouldn't really be
> turning over a new leaf.  And likely what will happen is that the lowest
> bowl in the picking order (which rotates every year) will be stuck with such
> a team - which is basically what happened in the past 3 years with the
> aforementioned WAC/MWC teams.
>
> What will be interesting to see is what happens with the ABC/Big Ten/Pac
> 10/Rose Bowl contract when it comes up for renewal - if ESPN will try to
> combine it with the other contract to remove an obstacle to a Plus One or
> playoff, or if the conferences and Rose Bowl continue to try and hold them
> to tradition - although that tradition has been broken numerous times this
> decade after the implementation of the BCS.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't remember seeing this come across here before but if I missed in
>> then
>> I apologize.  Apparently, in the new BCS contract with ESPN, there is a
>> new
>> wrinkle to the selection of teams in the Rose Bowl.  Remember that
>> ABC/ESPN
>> have a separate contract with the Rose Bowl, Pac-10 and Big Ten, but now
>> that they are all one big happy family again, I suppose this was all
>> agreed
>> to.  If the Rose Bowl loses a team to the National Championship game, it
>> automatically takes the qualifying conference champion of a coalition
>>  (i.e.
>> non-BCS Six) conferences:
>>
>>
>> http://blogs.ajc.com/barnhart-college-football/2009/05/29/sec-headed-to-a-big-payday-in-2010/
>>
>> So, the next time that USC makes the championship game the Big Ten gets to
>> play Boise
>> Mark
>>
>> Mark S. Ament
>> sportsbiz@gmail.com
>> SportsBiz - The Business of Sports
>> Illuminated<http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com>
>> When it comes to sports, you know it's all about the money
>> Stay tuned for the exciting new SportsBiz coming your way soon
>> Chat: Skype: marksament
>> Contact Me: [image: Twitter] <twitter:%20msament>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Jonathan W. Hodges
> 1237 Emerson St Apt 2
> Evanston, IL  60201-3577
> (847) 736-2449
> jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
>
From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jun  1 10:23:16 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Jun  1 10:23:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Some summer reading ...
References: <602629.40353.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5B38CB459C7D4694998A753FCE734834@DennisMachine>

> NORTHWESTERN
> Record: 10-14 / 19-18
> Average finish: 6.3
> Burning question: Do we remember how to win games with defense?
>
Me thinks you understate the Cats this season, Herr Truog.  The defense 
could be very good.  For the first time since I can recall we have two 
bonafide pass-rushing defensive ends in Brown and Wootton.  Toss in an 
experienced secondary and some better talent at linebacker, and you have 
something.  Just pray no one goes down for the season.  Offense is the big 
question, of course, but it is not without experience and skill.  There is 
an experienced and deeper offensive line and improvement at the superback 
position, which I predict will play a greater role this season.  There has 
to be question marks on the wideouts and running backs, pero numero uno 
pregunta es quarterback.  We know Kafka can run, but if he can 
metamorphosize into a good thrower, he could be devastating.  Finally, 
special teams improved remarkably last season, and there is no reason they 
cannot improve even more.  But please, Dear Lord, give us a steady 
place-kicker.

My prediction, barring a serious number of injuries, is at least 10 - 3 
including a bowl victory.  We should start 5 - 0, and there is no reason it 
can't be 7 - 0.  The toughest game is Penn State, but we can win it, and the 
rest are definitely winnable. 

From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Jun  1 10:39:33 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun  1 10:40:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Some summer reading ...
Message-ID: <c0d.540f03eb.37555035@aol.com>

I hope you are right, but your forecast is probably overly optimistic for  
at least a couple of reasons.  First, Wooten is coming back from a serious  
injury and operation, and you can't expect him to have the same explosive 
first  step--at least early in the season.  He will probably be somewhat 
tentative  at first; it's only natural.
 
Second, our running game will probably not be as consistent without TS,  
even with MK at QB.
 
However, I would love to be proven wrong.:-)
 
Paul Levinson
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Jun  1 11:12:00 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Jun  1 11:12:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Some summer reading ...
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I love this time of year.

All the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the
children are above average.

I doesn't matter how good the defense or the special teams are if you
aren't getting production out of the QB position. The QB has to be able
to be a threat in running and passing for NU's version of this offense
to work.  As much as I like Kafka's grit, you know that teams are going
to overplay the run until he proves that he can complete a pass.  I'm
sure he has been working hard on his throwing, but he has been working
hard on his throwing for the whole time he has been here and we didn't
see much in his starts last year.  So I guess I'm not expecting dramatic
improvement from Kafka this year.

As a result, I predict that this will be a frustrating football year for
Northwestern because we will struggle at QB.  Hopefully an underclassman
will step up like 2002 when Baz emerged as our QB of the future, or 1999
when Kustok arrived.  But it could also be like 1998 when we couldn't
seem to find anyone to lead the team.

I hope I'm wrong.

Jeff
  

 

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:23 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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> NORTHWESTERN
> Record: 10-14 / 19-18
> Average finish: 6.3
> Burning question: Do we remember how to win games with defense?
>
Me thinks you understate the Cats this season, Herr Truog.  The defense
could be very good.  For the first time since I can recall we have two
bonafide pass-rushing defensive ends in Brown and Wootton.  Toss in an
experienced secondary and some better talent at linebacker, and you have
something.  Just pray no one goes down for the season.  Offense is the
big question, of course, but it is not without experience and skill.
There is an experienced and deeper offensive line and improvement at the
superback position, which I predict will play a greater role this
season.  There has to be question marks on the wideouts and running
backs, pero numero uno pregunta es quarterback.  We know Kafka can run,
but if he can metamorphosize into a good thrower, he could be
devastating.  Finally, special teams improved remarkably last season,
and there is no reason they cannot improve even more.  But please, Dear
Lord, give us a steady place-kicker.

My prediction, barring a serious number of injuries, is at least 10 - 3
including a bowl victory.  We should start 5 - 0, and there is no reason
it can't be 7 - 0.  The toughest game is Penn State, but we can win it,
and the rest are definitely winnable. 

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Jun  1 11:33:12 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Jun  1 11:33:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Some summer reading ...
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Personally, I think that many are underestimating Kafka's throwing abilities
- mainly because he's a good runner.  Yes, he didn't put up prolific passing
numbers in his two starts this season, but he had some pretty solid throws
against Minnesota - specifically his first TD pass to Ebert.

Now, it's obvious that he needed some time to get in sync with the first
team offense (remember that he'd been practicing with the backups almost
exclusively since his first stab at QB in early 2006), and then he ran up
against a prolific defense in OSU (nobody, including Texas, burned that OSU
D).  An offseason where he's groomed for the starting spot and the offensive
system is tailored to his strengths/weaknesses will go a long way.  In all
of his starts (2006 & 2008) he was basically filling in for an injured
Bacher (in 2006 a reported stress fracture kept CJ out for most of camp and
the first half of the season), and he was basically playing a fill-in role.

No, I don't expect a return to 2000/2001/2005 type offensive numbers, but
with a now-experienced OL in front of him, an offensive scheme well-suited
for him, and a full offseason of practice at the helm, I expect he will be a
pretty solid QB come fall.  I would argue that NU is in a lot better shape
at QB this year than they have been in previous QB transition years: 2006
(CJ injured, Kafka/Brewer filling in for the first half of the season), 2002
(Stauss failure, Basanez taking over and eventually showing his skills), and
even 1999 (waiting on Kustok to be eligible - and even then the offensive
show wasn't put on until the appearance of the spread in 2000).

The biggest obstacle for the offense will be replacing all of the other
skill position players - obviously RB is most concerning.  The WRs rotate so
much that there are plenty of guys with experience who will be out there -
and if Brewer lives up to his potential, that should give NU a true
field-stretcher (see his spring game 55 yd TD).  RB, though, is a huge issue
- last year without Sutton in, NU averaged under 3 yards/carry from the RB
position - hopefully a seasoned OL and some fresh blood in Daniel and
Matthews can help invigorate that, but that is a lot of ifs.

In any case, I'd say NU's offense should land it in the middle of the
conference in terms of potential production (including strength of schedule
considerations) and NU shouldn't be in bad shape.  And, as others have
noted, the D is looking very strong going into the season, with a lot of
solid starters returning (I'll hold off on further details right now).  So,
put together, NU should be bowl-bound at a minimum if they can live up to
expectations.

Jonathan

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Beamsley, Jeff
<Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>wrote:

> I love this time of year.
>
> All the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the
> children are above average.
>
> I doesn't matter how good the defense or the special teams are if you
> aren't getting production out of the QB position. The QB has to be able
> to be a threat in running and passing for NU's version of this offense
> to work.  As much as I like Kafka's grit, you know that teams are going
> to overplay the run until he proves that he can complete a pass.  I'm
> sure he has been working hard on his throwing, but he has been working
> hard on his throwing for the whole time he has been here and we didn't
> see much in his starts last year.  So I guess I'm not expecting dramatic
> improvement from Kafka this year.
>
> As a result, I predict that this will be a frustrating football year for
> Northwestern because we will struggle at QB.  Hopefully an underclassman
> will step up like 2002 when Baz emerged as our QB of the future, or 1999
> when Kustok arrived.  But it could also be like 1998 when we couldn't
> seem to find anyone to lead the team.
>
> I hope I'm wrong.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
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> and then destroy it.
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> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Monday, June 01, 2009 11:23 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Some summer reading ...
>
> > NORTHWESTERN
> > Record: 10-14 / 19-18
> > Average finish: 6.3
> > Burning question: Do we remember how to win games with defense?
> >
> Me thinks you understate the Cats this season, Herr Truog.  The defense
> could be very good.  For the first time since I can recall we have two
> bonafide pass-rushing defensive ends in Brown and Wootton.  Toss in an
> experienced secondary and some better talent at linebacker, and you have
> something.  Just pray no one goes down for the season.  Offense is the
> big question, of course, but it is not without experience and skill.
> There is an experienced and deeper offensive line and improvement at the
> superback position, which I predict will play a greater role this
> season.  There has to be question marks on the wideouts and running
> backs, pero numero uno pregunta es quarterback.  We know Kafka can run,
> but if he can metamorphosize into a good thrower, he could be
> devastating.  Finally, special teams improved remarkably last season,
> and there is no reason they cannot improve even more.  But please, Dear
> Lord, give us a steady place-kicker.
>
> My prediction, barring a serious number of injuries, is at least 10 - 3
> including a bowl victory.  We should start 5 - 0, and there is no reason
> it can't be 7 - 0.  The toughest game is Penn State, but we can win it,
> and the rest are definitely winnable.
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  1 13:27:27 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jun  1 13:27:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Some summer reading ...
Message-ID: <157022.34145.qm@web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


I love this time of year too ... just a bit more as kickoff approaches.:)

I was encouraged with Kafka's passing during the spring game - I think he is underrated and would also have RB as the big key for the offense. I think with Kafka, we'll go back to a Kustok-like spread with the QB being more of a running weapon and that fits our OC's track record better anyway - it will be rusty at first and mistake-prone to be sure, but I think the offense will be fine by October.

So that puts the pressure on the defense - they can't just be good, they have to be like that 1995 squad and win the game in the fourth quarter with a key interception, sack or fumble. They have to help the offense in September to beat the teams we SHOULD beat, because the schedule is back-loaded and we need those early Ws for the tough games later.

A lot of it depends on health, as always, and how quickly Wootten returns to 2008 form ... but looking at our Big Ten foes, I really only see PSU, Minny and the Illini as the big offensive threats. The rest have some big holes to fill from last year (MSU/Iowa - though Sparty's transfer QB looks good) or big questions (Wisky/Purdue/Indiana) in the rebuilding process -- so our defense needs to be able to shut them down.

You also look at the defenses league wide and a lot of them are young - you could make a case that NU has one of the 2-3 most experienced returning defenses. Another reason we gotta rely on them, for a change.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


--- On Mon, 6/1/09, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Some summer reading ...
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 8:23 AM
> > NORTHWESTERN
> > Record: 10-14 / 19-18
> > Average finish: 6.3
> > Burning question: Do we remember how to win games with
> defense?
> > 
> Me thinks you understate the Cats this season, Herr
> Truog.? The defense could be very good.? For the
> first time since I can recall we have two bonafide
> pass-rushing defensive ends in Brown and Wootton.? Toss
> in an experienced secondary and some better talent at
> linebacker, and you have something.? Just pray no one
> goes down for the season.? Offense is the big question,
> of course, but it is not without experience and skill.?
> There is an experienced and deeper offensive line and
> improvement at the superback position, which I predict will
> play a greater role this season.? There has to be
> question marks on the wideouts and running backs, pero
> numero uno pregunta es quarterback.? We know Kafka can
> run, but if he can metamorphosize into a good thrower, he
> could be devastating.? Finally, special teams improved
> remarkably last season, and there is no reason they cannot
> improve even more.? But please, Dear Lord, give us a
> steady place-kicker.
> 
> My prediction, barring a serious number of injuries, is at
> least 10 - 3 including a bowl victory.? We should start
> 5 - 0, and there is no reason it can't be 7 - 0.? The
> toughest game is Penn State, but we can win it, and the rest
> are definitely winnable. 
> _______________________________________________
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Jun  1 13:27:25 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun  1 13:27:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Interesting Story from Ohio - Colleges using a law to
 hide info about violations
Message-ID: <8CBB0FDBEE2D6D8-FB8-10C0@webmail-dh07.sysops.aol.com>

Interesting story out of Columbus

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2009/05/31/FERPA_MAIN.ART_ART_05-31-09_A1_VFE0G7F.html?sid=101

Basically, universities have discovered that a law designed to keep grades private, is very useful for keeping the details about all sorts of dubious practices by athletic departments out of the news.? Even the original author of the law is bothered by the mis-use.

If only all of our Universities were as concerned about providing a high-quality education at a reasonable price, as they seem to be about keeping questionable athletic department practices out of the public view.? To hear the?university lawyers, especially, defending the practice, is galling.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85?
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Jun  3 09:55:15 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Jun  3 09:56:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] New Rose Bowl contract
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Here's an update on the Rose Bowl non-BCS situation from ESPN's Rittenberg:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-3-490/Rose-Bowl-selection-change-could-hurt-Big-Ten.html

The Rose Bowl will be forced to pick a non-BCS league champion if one of its
regular conferences' champion (Big Ten or Pac 10) is in the National
Championship game - but only for one time through the BCS National
Championship rotation, and only for the length of the current contract (i.e.
once during the next 4 years, starting with the 2010-2011 season).  This may
be due to the fact that no non-BCS school has ever played in the Rose Bowl,
while 2 other BCS bowls (Fiesta, Sugar) each have had non-BCS schools at
least once over the past 3 seasons.

I would guess that this is a ploy by the other BCS bowls and conferences to
force the Rose Bowl to take such a team, especially after the Rose Bowl took
Illinois 2 seasons ago despite a 9-3 record (resulting in very low ratings,
by the way) - especially since 2 other bowls have been forced to take
non-BCS teams in recent years (the 4th, the Orange Bowl, had a real clunker
with VT vs. Cincy this past season even though they were both BCS conference
teams).

So, although this isn't a huge shift, it seems like the other
bowls/conferences are trying to do what they can to the Rose/Big Ten/Pac 10
for keeping their own cozy arrangement intact.

Jonathan

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:

> That was my first instinct too Jonathan but I have seen this now in a
> couple of different places. It grew out of the SEC spring meetings which
> makes me think it a bit suspect.  I especially don't trust the SEC when it
> comes to anything having to do with the Rose Bowl or the Big Ten.
> Nevertheless, it could have been something that ABC/ESPN negotiated into the
> current contract in aanticipation of bidding for the BCS contract when it
> came up for renewal.  That would not have surprised although the Rose Bowl
> and the conferences agreeing to it would definitely surprise me, especially
> since the talk at that time was of the three parties pulling out the BCS
> altogether.
> Mark
>
> Mark S. Ament
> sportsbiz@gmail.com
> SportsBiz - The Business of Sports Illuminated<http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com>
> When it comes to sports, you know it's all about the money
> Stay tuned for the exciting new SportsBiz coming your way soon
>  Chat: Skype: marksament
> Contact Me: [image: Twitter]
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I don't know how correct this blog entry is - since the ABC/Big Ten/Pac 10
>> contract with the Rose Bowl actually didn't expire until 2013 (which was one
>> of the roadblocks in creating a playoff or Plus-One in coming seasons).
>> What I believe the article is speaking about is the new BCS contract with
>> the Orange/Fiesta/Sugar Bowls (& National Championship Game) which is
>> currently with FOX and will be going to ESPN starting with the 2010-2011
>> season.  The current Rose Bowl contract will remain in effect until 2013
>> (although there is a clause in the contract allowing ABC/ESPN to move the
>> game to ESPN if the other BCS games are also on ESPN, which they will be
>> beginning in January 2011).
>>
>> It isn't exactly clear how this rule will be applied, but seemingly it
>> means that a non-BCS conference champion will always be in BCS games.  Note
>> that since the addition of the National Championship game (making a total of
>> 10 BCS slots), such a team has always been included in the BCS (Boise State,
>> Hawaii, and Utah).  So, if this is indeed formalized, it wouldn't really be
>> turning over a new leaf.  And likely what will happen is that the lowest
>> bowl in the picking order (which rotates every year) will be stuck with such
>> a team - which is basically what happened in the past 3 years with the
>> aforementioned WAC/MWC teams.
>>
>> What will be interesting to see is what happens with the ABC/Big Ten/Pac
>> 10/Rose Bowl contract when it comes up for renewal - if ESPN will try to
>> combine it with the other contract to remove an obstacle to a Plus One or
>> playoff, or if the conferences and Rose Bowl continue to try and hold them
>> to tradition - although that tradition has been broken numerous times this
>> decade after the implementation of the BCS.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't remember seeing this come across here before but if I missed in
>>> then
>>> I apologize.  Apparently, in the new BCS contract with ESPN, there is a
>>> new
>>> wrinkle to the selection of teams in the Rose Bowl.  Remember that
>>> ABC/ESPN
>>> have a separate contract with the Rose Bowl, Pac-10 and Big Ten, but now
>>> that they are all one big happy family again, I suppose this was all
>>> agreed
>>> to.  If the Rose Bowl loses a team to the National Championship game, it
>>> automatically takes the qualifying conference champion of a coalition
>>>  (i.e.
>>> non-BCS Six) conferences:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://blogs.ajc.com/barnhart-college-football/2009/05/29/sec-headed-to-a-big-payday-in-2010/
>>>
>>> So, the next time that USC makes the championship game the Big Ten gets
>>> to
>>> play Boise
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> Mark S. Ament
>>> sportsbiz@gmail.com
>>> SportsBiz - The Business of Sports
>>> Illuminated<http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com>
>>> When it comes to sports, you know it's all about the money
>>> Stay tuned for the exciting new SportsBiz coming your way soon
>>> Chat: Skype: marksament
>>> Contact Me: [image: Twitter] <twitter:%20msament>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan W. Hodges
>> 1237 Emerson St Apt 2
>> Evanston, IL  60201-3577
>> (847) 736-2449
>> jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
>>
>
>


-- 
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1237 Emerson St Apt 2
Evanston, IL  60201-3577
(847) 736-2449
jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  3 16:08:56 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jun  3 16:09:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] New Rose Bowl contract
Message-ID: <47264.88976.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


> Here's an update on the Rose Bowl
> non-BCS situation from ESPN's Rittenberg:

Interesting - I don't think it will hurt the Big Ten as much as he thinks. If anyone, it will crush the Pac 10 if, say, USC makes the title game and they have a chance to bring in someone like Cal, who hasn't been to Pasadena in forever, but are forced to bring in a BCS buster.

The Big Ten, OTOH, plays well nationally and has been an at-large BCS selection in the other bowls numerous times in the B(C)S era. Ohio State practically has snowbird resident status in Arizona for the Fiesta Bowl, Michigan played in one of the Orange Bowl's greatest games of the B(C)S era (i.e. when the Orange Bowl wasn't forced to have the Big Least and ACC and could match up Bama and UMesh). The Sugar Bowl has been a bit tougher to crack, though OSU and PSU have semi-recent histories there.

I think everyone's suspicions here are correct in that the other bowls are trying to break the Big Ten-Pac 10 stranglehold on Pasadena. And yeah, it was a small surprise to see the Illini picked a couple years back ... but would a USC hometown beatdown of Hawaii have improved ratings at all?

But it's not going to hurt the Big Ten in getting in an at-large team - the only rule change that would do that would be if they would allow a league to have more than two teams, in which case the SEC could steal some bids. But with 10 bids now, and Notre Dame in a dry spell, that pretty much leaves four extra spots each year. The SEC and Big Ten are all but guaranteed to take half of those. The Big XII has almost gotten to the point where they have a lock on the third (the only problem is that it has to be Texas, Oklahoma or Nebraska, as the rest of the league doesn't travel or draw ratings as well) -- the other three league just don't have much hope unless the FSU/Miami slump ends or UCLA develops as a challenger to SC out west.

Go back a couple years - the Illini might not have been chosen under the new rules, but the Michigan team that went on to stand up to Urban Meyer's Gatorthugs on their home turf would have been a tempting at-large option for any of the other bowls (they were just passed over in Pasadena because they had been there the past few years).

And that's sad, but it will at least force the Rose Bowl to make a decision -- They can either keep alive their incredible tradition, or they can sell out entirely to this B(C)S joke.

They should look long and hard at the Orange and Sugar Bowls. The Sugar hasn't been hurt as much, because they still have their SEC tie-in, but the once-great Orange Bowl is now usually the second or third best bowl in the state of Florida. Let's look at the last five years:

Orange
09 - VaTech 20, Cincinnati 7
08 - Kansas 24, VaTech 21
07 - Louisville 24, Wake Forest 13
06 - Penn State 26, Florida State 23
05 - USC 55, Oklahoma 19

Citrus
09 - Georgia 24, Michigan State 12
08 - Michigan 41, Florida 35
07 - Wisconsin 17, Auburn 14
06 - Wisconsin 24, Auburn 10
05 - Iowa 30, LSU 25

The only decent Orange Bowl in that span was when they invited the Big Ten (Kansas/VT was decent, but sloppy) ... meanwhile, the Citrus has had three barn-burners and the 2006 game was Barry Alvarez' swan song and 2009 featured a battle of two great running backs.

The Orange Bowl had its tradition gutted by the B(C)S ... the Sugar has had three straight blowout games ... the Fiesta is the only bowl making out like bandits in this arrangement (and oh yeah, they've had a Big Ten team from OH ... IO four of the past seven years - five of seven if you count the title game - and Oklahoma also helped by being on the receiving end of two upsets, including the greatest bowl game in history).

So this is a move aimed at the Rose Bowl tradition, and it may wind up destroying that ... and it will absolutely crush the Pac 10's hopes of getting an at-large BCS berth when USC makes the title game (heck, the Fiesta folk passed on hometown Arizona State a couple years back) ... but it's tough to see this hurting the Big Ten's streak of double dipping into the B(C)S money pool.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT




      

From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jun  4 06:02:35 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jun  4 06:03:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU alum
Message-ID: <E904F6BF401A4A318E24FCAAFB0F0F61@DennisMachine>

J. A. Happ made the San Diego Padres look real hapless last night by pitching seven shutout innings and getting a win.  After his fine showing against the Yankees, he is a fixture in the Phillies' starting rotation.  He is a cool customer on the mound.
From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Thu Jun  4 12:57:05 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Thu Jun  4 12:58:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Two great Cat football articles
Message-ID: <20090604.125705.22347.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

Both of these make our football program look sparkling.

New Orleans Saints offensive tackle Zach Strief shows off his other talents in cookbook
http://blog.nola.com/saintsbeat/2009/06/new_orleans_saints_offensive_t_2.html

Providence's dynamic duo
Co-valedictorians Pat Ward and Caitlin Day excel in and out of classroom
http://www.newlenoxpatriot.com/Articles-c-2009-06-04-196309.112113_Providences_dynamic_duo.html

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Jun  4 16:44:56 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun  4 16:45:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] New Rose Bowl contract
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The Rose Bowl's preferred response to the rest of the money-grubbing, bad blazer bunch, to quote a WW2 general (at the Bulge ?):

NUTS

or words to that effect.

They invented Bowl Games, they should be able to do them the way they want to.? It's still good to know that if OSU goes to the Mythical National Championship game, and NU finishes second, We get the real prize with a trip to Pasadena.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


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To: Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] New Rose Bowl contract



Here's an update on the Rose Bowl non-BCS situation from ESPN's Rittenberg:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-3-490/Rose-Bowl-selection-change-could-hurt-Big-Ten.html

The Rose Bowl will be forced to pick a non-BCS league champion if one of its
regular conferences' champion (Big Ten or Pac 10) is in the National
Championship game - but only for one time through the BCS National
Championship rotation, and only for the length of the current contract (i.e.
once during the next 4 years, starting with the 2010-2011 season).  This may
be due to the fact that no non-BCS school has ever played in the Rose Bowl,
while 2 other BCS bowls (Fiesta, Sugar) each have had non-BCS schools at
least once over the past 3 seasons.

I would guess that this is a ploy by the other BCS bowls and conferences to
force the Rose Bowl to take such a team, especially after the Rose Bowl took
Illinois 2 seasons ago despite a 9-3 record (resulting in very low ratings,
by the way) - especially since 2 other bowls have been forced to take
non-BCS teams in recent years (the 4th, the Orange Bowl, had a real clunker
with VT vs. Cincy this past season even though they were both BCS conference
teams).

So, although this isn't a huge shift, it seems like the other
bowls/conferences are trying to do what they can to the Rose/Big Ten/Pac 10
for keeping their own cozy arrangement intact.

Jonathan

On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:

> That was my first instinct too Jonathan but I have seen this now in a
> couple of different places. It grew out of the SEC spring meetings which
> makes me think it a bit suspect.  I especially don't trust the SEC when it
> comes to anything having to do with the Rose Bowl or the Big Ten.
> Nevertheless, it could have been something that ABC/ESPN negotiated into the
> current contract in aanticipation of bidding for the BCS contract when it
> came up for renewal.  That would not have surprised although the Rose Bowl
> and the conferences agreeing to it would definitely surprise me, esp
ecially
> since the talk at that time was of the three parties pulling out the BCS
> altogether.
> Mark
>
> Mark S. Ament
> sportsbiz@gmail.com
> SportsBiz - The Business of Sports Illuminated<http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com>
> When it comes to sports, you know it's all about the money
> Stay tuned for the exciting new SportsBiz coming your way soon
>  Chat: Skype: marksament
> Contact Me: [image: Twitter]
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> I don't know how correct this blog entry is - since the ABC/Big Ten/Pac 10
>> contract with the Rose Bowl actually didn't expire until 2013 (which was one
>> of the roadblocks in creating a playoff or Plus-One in coming seasons).
>> What I believe the article is speaking about is the new BCS contract with
>> the Orange/Fiesta/Sugar Bowls (& National Championship Game) which is
>> currently with FOX and will be going to ESPN starting with the 2010-2011
>> season.  The current Rose Bowl contract will remain in effect until 2013
>> (although there is a clause in the contract allowing ABC/ESPN to move the
>> game to ESPN if the other BCS games are also on ESPN, which they will be
>> beginning in January 2011).
>>
>> It isn't exactly clear how this rule will be applied, but seemingly it
>> means that a non-BCS conference champion will always be in BCS games.  Note
>> that since the addition of the National Championship game (making a total of
>> 10 BCS slots), such a team has always been included in the BCS (Boise State,
>> Hawaii, and Utah).  So, if this is indeed formalized, it wouldn't really be
>> turning over a new leaf.  And likely what will happen is that the lowest
>> bowl in the picking order (which rotates every year) will be stuck with such
>> a team - which is basically what happened in the past 3 years with the
>> aforementioned WAC/MWC teams.
>>
>> What will be interesting to see is what happens with the ABC/Big Ten/Pac
>> 10/Rose Bowl contract when it comes up for renewal - if ESPN will try to
>> com
bine it with the other contract to remove an obstacle to a Plus One or
>> playoff, or if the conferences and Rose Bowl continue to try and hold them
>> to tradition - although that tradition has been broken numerous times this
>> decade after the implementation of the BCS.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't remember seeing this come across here before but if I missed in
>>> then
>>> I apologize.  Apparently, in the new BCS contract with ESPN, there is a
>>> new
>>> wrinkle to the selection of teams in the Rose Bowl.  Remember that
>>> ABC/ESPN
>>> have a separate contract with the Rose Bowl, Pac-10 and Big Ten, but now
>>> that they are all one big happy family again, I suppose this was all
>>> agreed
>>> to.  If the Rose Bowl loses a team to the National Championship game, it
>>> automatically takes the qualifying conference champion of a coalition
>>>  (i.e.
>>> non-BCS Six) conferences:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://blogs.ajc.com/barnhart-college-football/2009/05/29/sec-headed-to-a-big-payday-in-2010/
>>>
>>> So, the next time that USC makes the championship game the Big Ten gets
>>> to
>>> play Boise
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> Mark S. Ament
>>> sportsbiz@gmail.com
>>> SportsBiz - The Business of Sports
>>> Illuminated<http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com>
>>> When it comes to sports, you know it's all about the money
>>> Stay tuned for the exciting new SportsBiz coming your way soon
>>> Chat: Skype: marksament
>>> Contact Me: [image: Twitter] <twitter:%20msament>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports@tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan W. Hodges
>> 1237 Emerson St Apt 2
>> Evanston, IL  60201-3577
>> (847) 736-2449
>> jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
>>
>
>


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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jun  4 17:20:13 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jun  4 17:20:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ah, nuts!
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> The Rose Bowl's preferred response to the rest of the money-grubbing, bad 
> blazer bunch, to quote a WW2 general (at the Bulge ?):
>
> NUTS
>
> or words to that effect.

"Nuts!" was the exact word.  General Anthony McAuliffe said them at Bastogne 
in response to a German demand for surrender.  The Germans were somewhat 
confused, and then the Americans whooped them. 

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  4 17:40:15 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu Jun  4 17:40:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I don't care about about BCS $$
Message-ID: <628453.51007.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Steven' analysis is thorough and enjoyable to read as always, but I feel it's pitched to the wrong theme.
?
I couldn't care less whether the Big 10 makes BCS money or not. I do mildly care that the BCS takes two Big 10 teams, because in theory that could help Northwestern get a better bowl spot, except that it rarely does because Florida bowl committees hate the 'Cats.
?
What matters to me is the Big 10/PAC-10 Rose Bowl tradition, and anything that gets in the way of that is what bothers me. If OSU wins the Big Ten and goes BCS and NU comes in second and winds up in the Barf Bowl while East Carolina, SMU or Idaho is on Colorado Boulevard because of this new policy, who cares about BCS money? 
?
I admit to being an unabashed fan of the old pre-BCS bowl setup and I am not a playoff fan. But if we're going to destroy any tradition the bowls have we might as well have a playoff rather than Boise State in the Rose Bowl over Northwestern.
?
bw?
?


"Happy are those who see beauty in the modest spots where others see nothing." -- Camille Pissaro

"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal


      
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  4 18:07:01 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Jun  4 18:07:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I don't care about about BCS $$
Message-ID: <794142.71415.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Brad -

I actually agree 100% with your analysis - I fully believe the B(C)S is the "worst of both worlds" and would love to see the Big Ten and Pac 10 give the rest of the conferences a great big mooning and keep our Rose tradition. A January trip to Pasadena is better than every other bowl combined! And I also agree that if we do wreck this tradition, it better be for a REAL playoff at the very least.

> I couldn't care less whether the Big 10 makes BCS money or
> not. I do mildly care that the BCS takes two Big 10 teams,
> because in theory that could help Northwestern get a better

I agree we usually get screwed anyway by bowl committees - but we do get screwed less when we get two teams in the BCS - plus, the added money for our league (and through sharing, for NU) is never a bad thing.

I was simply saying that a lot of people on ESPN were perceiving this as a slam at the Big Ten, but I think it winds up actually hurting us far less than the Pac 10 or the Rose Bowl tradition itself.

> bothers me. If OSU wins the Big Ten and goes BCS and NU
> comes in second and winds up in the Barf Bowl while East
> Carolina, SMU or Idaho is on Colorado Boulevard because of
> this new policy, who cares about BCS money? 

Absolute agreement. Like I said, look no further than the Sugar and especially Orange (or the Cotton) to see how much the BCS can destroy a grand tradition. The Rose has avoided that for the most part (and the last big change - adding the fifth B(C)S game - actually helped Pasadena keep this by not having to have the title game replace the Rose Bowl).

Don't throw that away, Rose Bowl committee!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 08:49:21 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Fri Jun  5 08:49:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I don't care about about BCS $$
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All of which is exactly why the Big Ten, Pac-10 and Rose Bowl had maintained
a contract separate from the BCS TV contract all these years.  I would be
interested in knowing why and how this change got made and exactly what
pressure was put on them to agree to it since they had the ability to take
their marbles and go home as the Pac-10 commissioner threatened to do
several times last year.

As far as I'm concerned the BCS has been a disaster from day one.  It has
diminshed the value of a conference championship as well as all bowls other
than the national championship game.  For most schools' fans now, if you
don't play in the national championship game, then the season was not that
successful, where before the BCS success was measured by conference
championships the standard by which I think schools should still be
measured.  They should also do away with conference championship games,
another abomination dreamed up by and for television (well, Roy Kramer and
television).
Mark

Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz@gmail.com
SportsBiz - The Business of Sports
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When it comes to sports, you know it's all about the money
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On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:07 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> Brad -
>
> I actually agree 100% with your analysis - I fully believe the B(C)S is the
> "worst of both worlds" and would love to see the Big Ten and Pac 10 give the
> rest of the conferences a great big mooning and keep our Rose tradition. A
> January trip to Pasadena is better than every other bowl combined! And I
> also agree that if we do wreck this tradition, it better be for a REAL
> playoff at the very least.
>
> > I couldn't care less whether the Big 10 makes BCS money or
> > not. I do mildly care that the BCS takes two Big 10 teams,
> > because in theory that could help Northwestern get a better
>
> I agree we usually get screwed anyway by bowl committees - but we do get
> screwed less when we get two teams in the BCS - plus, the added money for
> our league (and through sharing, for NU) is never a bad thing.
>
> I was simply saying that a lot of people on ESPN were perceiving this as a
> slam at the Big Ten, but I think it winds up actually hurting us far less
> than the Pac 10 or the Rose Bowl tradition itself.
>
> > bothers me. If OSU wins the Big Ten and goes BCS and NU
> > comes in second and winds up in the Barf Bowl while East
> > Carolina, SMU or Idaho is on Colorado Boulevard because of
> > this new policy, who cares about BCS money?
>
> Absolute agreement. Like I said, look no further than the Sugar and
> especially Orange (or the Cotton) to see how much the BCS can destroy a
> grand tradition. The Rose has avoided that for the most part (and the last
> big change - adding the fifth B(C)S game - actually helped Pasadena keep
> this by not having to have the title game replace the Rose Bowl).
>
> Don't throw that away, Rose Bowl committee!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Jun  5 09:09:41 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Jun  5 09:10:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I don't care about about BCS $$
In-Reply-To: <223fce250906050649n2a0e0b9cn1a5843ee9827de2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <794142.71415.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<223fce250906050649n2a0e0b9cn1a5843ee9827de2c@mail.gmail.com>
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Despite how much fans have complained about the BCS/bowls/polls/etc.,
college football is more popular than ever and the Big Ten, in particular,
is raking in a ton of money (that gets divided equally amongst its member
schools, which therefore benefits NU directly).  The controversy itself
drives a good amount of publicity and instead of driving fans away seems to
bring more in.

Regarding the Rose Bowl being forced into this situation - it's probably
directly due to the fact that the Rose Bowl has its own contract with the
Big Ten/Pac 10, and then in turn has a separate agreement with the rest of
the BCS.  That probably allowed the BCS to change the bowl selection order
without the Rose Bowl/Big Ten/Pac 10's direct consent - forcing the bowl
into the last bowl selection spot and therefore getting "stuck" with a
non-BCS representative in a given circumstance (which is likely to continue
now that a non-BCS team has been in 3 straight years and 4 times this
decade).  I know in the past the BCS at-large bowl selection order has
changed - initially it was by payout (highest payout first, usually giving
the Rose a high pick given that the payout is large) - then by a rotation.

In the end, though, while we as fans can have our opinions - remember that
college football is all about money and power, and the BCS conferences hold
all the power and money and aren't about to give it up by either giving up
money by eliminating the current money-generating scheme or giving up power
by opening up the system to a playoff (at least not anytime soon).  They'll
keep tweaking the system to keep all the parties happy (especially the
government, who they don't want involved at all, but also fans so they keep
paying), but don't expect anything drastic as long as the money and control
are in their hands.  Just be happy that Northwestern is in a position to
benefit from the money and power as a part of the Big Ten.

Jonathan

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 8:49 AM, Sportsbiz <sportsbiz@gmail.com> wrote:

> All of which is exactly why the Big Ten, Pac-10 and Rose Bowl had
> maintained
> a contract separate from the BCS TV contract all these years.  I would be
> interested in knowing why and how this change got made and exactly what
> pressure was put on them to agree to it since they had the ability to take
> their marbles and go home as the Pac-10 commissioner threatened to do
> several times last year.
>
> As far as I'm concerned the BCS has been a disaster from day one.  It has
> diminshed the value of a conference championship as well as all bowls other
> than the national championship game.  For most schools' fans now, if you
> don't play in the national championship game, then the season was not that
> successful, where before the BCS success was measured by conference
> championships the standard by which I think schools should still be
> measured.  They should also do away with conference championship games,
> another abomination dreamed up by and for television (well, Roy Kramer and
> television).
> Mark
>
> Mark S. Ament
> sportsbiz@gmail.com
> SportsBiz - The Business of Sports
> Illuminated<http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com>
> When it comes to sports, you know it's all about the money
> Stay tuned for the exciting new SportsBiz coming your way soon
> Chat: Skype: marksament
> Contact Me: [image: Twitter] <twitter:%20msament>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:07 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > Brad -
> >
> > I actually agree 100% with your analysis - I fully believe the B(C)S is
> the
> > "worst of both worlds" and would love to see the Big Ten and Pac 10 give
> the
> > rest of the conferences a great big mooning and keep our Rose tradition.
> A
> > January trip to Pasadena is better than every other bowl combined! And I
> > also agree that if we do wreck this tradition, it better be for a REAL
> > playoff at the very least.
> >
> > > I couldn't care less whether the Big 10 makes BCS money or
> > > not. I do mildly care that the BCS takes two Big 10 teams,
> > > because in theory that could help Northwestern get a better
> >
> > I agree we usually get screwed anyway by bowl committees - but we do get
> > screwed less when we get two teams in the BCS - plus, the added money for
> > our league (and through sharing, for NU) is never a bad thing.
> >
> > I was simply saying that a lot of people on ESPN were perceiving this as
> a
> > slam at the Big Ten, but I think it winds up actually hurting us far less
> > than the Pac 10 or the Rose Bowl tradition itself.
> >
> > > bothers me. If OSU wins the Big Ten and goes BCS and NU
> > > comes in second and winds up in the Barf Bowl while East
> > > Carolina, SMU or Idaho is on Colorado Boulevard because of
> > > this new policy, who cares about BCS money?
> >
> > Absolute agreement. Like I said, look no further than the Sugar and
> > especially Orange (or the Cotton) to see how much the BCS can destroy a
> > grand tradition. The Rose has avoided that for the most part (and the
> last
> > big change - adding the fifth B(C)S game - actually helped Pasadena keep
> > this by not having to have the title game replace the Rose Bowl).
> >
> > Don't throw that away, Rose Bowl committee!
> >
> > GO CATS!!!
> > -SjT
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>



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Evanston, IL  60201-3577
(847) 736-2449
jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jun  5 09:13:24 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jun  5 09:12:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ah, nuts!
In-Reply-To: <C082A41A456949F4B4FF0423C96B14F9@DennisMachine>
References: <223fce250905312044k45522657scc387d030fa27351@mail.gmail.com><fcb3ee270906010626s57968428w967a52d5e6daa016@mail.gmail.com><223fce250906010716j7c429bd7yfc52ab2aa985813a@mail.gmail.com><fcb3ee270906030755u60448c7dx816517d19c9cba48@mail.gmail.com>	<8CBB374D5F6DC32-B04-DAC@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com>
	<C082A41A456949F4B4FF0423C96B14F9@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <00a401c9e5e7$cbb14bd0$6313e370$@com>

Patton's end run, and that prayer for better weather, sure helped.

The Army Air Corps ability to fly after Christmas (the prayer worked) didn't
hurt the guys on the ground either.

AND when the German's ran out of gas....

It was all over. - but it probably stopped Patton from getting to Berlin
first.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
A Few Basic Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
It's all been tried, and failed before.
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:20 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Ah, nuts!


> The Rose Bowl's preferred response to the rest of the money-grubbing, bad 
> blazer bunch, to quote a WW2 general (at the Bulge ?):
>
> NUTS
>
> or words to that effect.

"Nuts!" was the exact word.  General Anthony McAuliffe said them at Bastogne

in response to a German demand for surrender.  The Germans were somewhat 
confused, and then the Americans whooped them. 

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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 10:16:05 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jun  5 10:17:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ah, nuts!
References: <223fce250905312044k45522657scc387d030fa27351@mail.gmail.com><fcb3ee270906010626s57968428w967a52d5e6daa016@mail.gmail.com><223fce250906010716j7c429bd7yfc52ab2aa985813a@mail.gmail.com><fcb3ee270906030755u60448c7dx816517d19c9cba48@mail.gmail.com>	<8CBB374D5F6DC32-B04-DAC@FWM-M20.sysops.aol.com>
	<C082A41A456949F4B4FF0423C96B14F9@DennisMachine>
	<00a401c9e5e7$cbb14bd0$6313e370$@com>
Message-ID: <7B75E1433C164795A1FA4C41084D6860@DennisMachine>

You got all that right.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: "'Dennis W. Brandt'" <tbng@comcast.net>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Ah, nuts!


Patton's end run, and that prayer for better weather, sure helped.

The Army Air Corps ability to fly after Christmas (the prayer worked) didn't
hurt the guys on the ground either.

AND when the German's ran out of gas....

It was all over. - but it probably stopped Patton from getting to Berlin
first.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 -
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats - Beat 'em All  ===========
A Few Basic Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
It's all been tried, and failed before.
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:20 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Ah, nuts!


> The Rose Bowl's preferred response to the rest of the money-grubbing, bad
> blazer bunch, to quote a WW2 general (at the Bulge ?):
>
> NUTS
>
> or words to that effect.

"Nuts!" was the exact word.  General Anthony McAuliffe said them at Bastogne

in response to a German demand for surrender.  The Germans were somewhat
confused, and then the Americans whooped them.

_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports@tssi.com
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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 10:58:36 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jun  5 10:59:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ah, nuts!
References: <1573458373.1086461244215344304.JavaMail.root@sz0080a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <57AAFFF7D9FA4EE8A9F4DD6B2BA3CD13@DennisMachine>

Politics, even in the midst of a world war, a bone thrown to Stalin.  Imagine how different the world would have been for the next fifty years if we would have taken Eastern Europe.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: johnadeg@comcast.net 
  To: Roy Lamberton 
  Cc: 'Dennis W. Brandt' ; nwu-sports@tssi.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 11:22 AM
  Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Ah, nuts!


  What stopped Patton from going on to Berlin was Eisenhower's order to stop at the Elbe river. This angered Patton to the point that when he knew that he was dying, he ordered that Eisenhower not be allowed to attend his funeral.

  John DeGroat
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Roy Lamberton 
  To: 'Dennis W. Brandt' , nwu-sports@tssi.com
  Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:13:24 +0000 (UTC)
  Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Ah, nuts!

  Patton's end run, and that prayer for better weather, sure helped.

  The Army Air Corps ability to fly after Christmas (the prayer worked) didn't
  hurt the guys on the ground either.

  AND when the German's ran out of gas....

  It was all over. - but it probably stopped Patton from getting to Berlin
  first.

  rsl

  ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
  Computer Applications & Support Associates
  -------------------- Also ----------------------
  Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
  Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
  Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
  Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
  Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
  ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
  A Few Basic Truths:
    You cannot Legislate Morality
    You cannot Litigate Peace
    You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
    Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
  It's all been tried, and failed before.
  ================================================


  -----Original Message-----
  From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
  Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
  Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:20 PM
  To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
  Subject: [NU Sports] Ah, nuts!


  > The Rose Bowl's preferred response to the rest of the money-grubbing, bad 
  > blazer bunch, to quote a WW2 general (at the Bulge ?):
  >
  > NUTS
  >
  > or words to that effect.

  "Nuts!" was the exact word.  General Anthony McAuliffe said them at Bastogne

  in response to a German demand for surrender.  The Germans were somewhat 
  confused, and then the Americans whooped them. 

  _______________________________________________
  nwu-sports site list
  nwu-sports@tssi.com
  http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


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From mzilka at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jun 11 20:36:57 2009
From: mzilka at sbcglobal.net (Marilyn J Zilka)
Date: Thu Jun 11 20:37:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Matt Hartl - Chicago event Details
Message-ID: <258838.44669.qm@web83507.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I do not have an email for them.
?
Fund Raiser for Matt Hartl Scholarship
Host: Aaron and Kerri Bongle 
Location: Mullen's On Clark 
3527 N. Clark Street 
Chicago, IL 60657 US 
View Map 
When: Saturday, June 27, 3:00PM 
Phone: 847/833/2596 or 773/505/5086 
Please join us in remembering #46! 

August 30th, 1999 Matt Hartl lost his battle with Hodgkin's. With the ten-year anniversary of his passing coming up, several of his teammates decided to organize an endowed scholarship in his name. Aaron and I wanted to help his teammates meet their goal of raising $50,000 by hosting a fundraiser. So open up those wallets and please join us. 

There will be several ways for you to donate at the function: 

1) Wristbands for the fundraiser will be sold at the door. The wristband will cost $30 per person. The wristband will cover domestic bottles, wine and soda and will last three hours, starting at 3 p.m. Appetizers will also be included. A portion of the $30 will be donated toward the fundraiser. 

2) Straight Cash! All the appropriate paper work will be available. This money will be tax deductible and you can make your donation with cash, check, or credit card. 

3) Lastly, BUT by far the most fun, we will be having a raffle and silent auction. The silent auction will run from 4-6 p.m. At 6:00 we will announce the winners of the silent auction. After the winners are announced we will be raffling off more prizes. Raffle tickets can be purchased at any time up until the first prize is raffled off. YOU MUST BE PRESENT TO WIN. 

Just to name a few of the prizes: 
*A 3-pack of Bears vs. Packers tickets for opening weekend at Lambeau 
*Chicago Cub Geovany Soto autographed baseball and bat 
*A 4-pack of White Sox tickets with parking pass and dinner at the Stadium Club 
*A chartered fishing expedition on Lake Michigan 
*Several weekend stays up at resorts in beautiful Door County, Wisconsin 
and MUCH MUCH MORE!!! 

Right now, all raffle tickets and silent auction items must be purchased with cash or check. We are working on accepting credit cards. 

This is an invitation to join us, but we are still looking for donations for the silent auction/raffle so please e-mail either of us if you'd like to donate. We'd love whatever you'd like to give! 

We hope you can join us on June 27th. We plan on having a good time for a good cause. 

Pass this on to friends and family. Kids are welcome! 

~Aaron and Kerri 
?P.S. If you can't make the fundraiser and are interested in donating to the scholarship fund, please contact Aaron or I (phone numbers are above) and we can help you do that! Thanks!!!! 
From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 14 13:39:24 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Jun 14 13:39:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Heading back to Evanston for daughter's NU graduation
	this week
Message-ID: <10080709.1245004764652.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

My daughter Francine graduates from NU this coming Friday. It's been a wonderful four years for her, and it's been an amazing experience for me as well. I've been able to visit her many times, and I've attended nine NU football games during the time she's been in Evanston. Every time I'd go back there, I'd get to relive a little part of my time there. Francine has received a great education, and her friends are all terrific.

My wife and I have three kids, and Francine was the only one who was admitted to NU. Her time there has been special, and I never took even one moment of it for granted. I hope other list members get a similar opportunity to have one of their children attend NU.

Jim B.

From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jun 14 17:32:18 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Jun 14 17:32:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl
Message-ID: <EE88A300316241B49E8B7E847AF363B3@DennisMachine>

I note that, as of 2011, ESPN will broadcast the Rose Bowl.
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Jun 15 08:14:44 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Jun 15 08:15:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl
In-Reply-To: <EE88A300316241B49E8B7E847AF363B3@DennisMachine>
References: <EE88A300316241B49E8B7E847AF363B3@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270906150614o6ee34659i3b3f1eae51265506@mail.gmail.com>

This is due to the fact that as of 2011, the rest of the BCS bowls will be
televised on cable (ESPN).  The current ABC/Rose Bowl contract (which runs
until 2014, I believe) has a clause that allows ABC to move the game to ESPN
(both are subsidiaries of Disney) if the rest of the BCS bowls are moved to
cable.  This, of course, means that the vast majority (28/34) of bowls will
be carried by ESPN/ESPN2 staring in 2011 - the only ones left that I can
think of are the Gator and Sun (CBS), Capital One/Citrus (ABC), Texas and
Insight (NFL Network) and Cotton (FOX).

Jonathan

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

> I note that, as of 2011, ESPN will broadcast the Rose Bowl.
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Jun  5 10:22:24 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Jun 15 22:02:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ah, nuts!
In-Reply-To: <00a401c9e5e7$cbb14bd0$6313e370$@com>
Message-ID: <1573458373.1086461244215344304.JavaMail.root@sz0080a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>

What stopped Patton from going on to Berlin was Eisenhower's order to stop at the Elbe river. This angered Patton to the point that when he knew that he was dying, he ordered that Eisenhower not be allowed to attend his funeral.

John DeGroat
----- Original Message -----
From: Roy Lamberton 
To: 'Dennis W. Brandt' , nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 14:13:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Ah, nuts!

Patton's end run, and that prayer for better weather, sure helped.

The Army Air Corps ability to fly after Christmas (the prayer worked) didn't
hurt the guys on the ground either.

AND when the German's ran out of gas....

It was all over. - but it probably stopped Patton from getting to Berlin
first.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
A Few Basic Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
It's all been tried, and failed before.
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 6:20 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Ah, nuts!


> The Rose Bowl's preferred response to the rest of the money-grubbing, bad 
> blazer bunch, to quote a WW2 general (at the Bulge ?):
>
> NUTS
>
> or words to that effect.

"Nuts!" was the exact word.  General Anthony McAuliffe said them at Bastogne

in response to a German demand for surrender.  The Germans were somewhat 
confused, and then the Americans whooped them. 

_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports@tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


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From s-hargadon at northwestern.edu  Tue Jun  9 11:21:34 2009
From: s-hargadon at northwestern.edu (Sean Hargadon)
Date: Mon Jun 15 22:02:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcat Seniors
Message-ID: <C615DCE0-0FD5-4AA5-A0E4-F5A2A13748BE@northwestern.edu>

Northwestern magazine just wrapped up its annual Senior Watch issue.

Check out the 'Cats who made the list:

Goal Oriented: Hilary Bowen ? http://www.northwestern.edu/magazine/summer2009/cover/seniorwatch_sidebar/sidebar01.html

A Scholar First: Phil Brunner ? http://www.northwestern.edu/magazine/summer2009/cover/seniorwatch_sidebar/sidebar03.html

Unbeatable: Jake Herbert (VIDEO) ? http://www.northwestern.edu/magazine/summer2009/cover/seniorwatch_sidebar/sidebar11.html

A Good Catch: Eric Peterman (VIDEO) ? http://www.northwestern.edu/magazine/summer2009/cover/seniorwatch_sidebar/sidebar24.html
--
Sean Hargadon
Senior Editor
Northwestern magazine
1800 Sheridan Road
Evanston, IL 60208-1800

Visit us: www.northwestern.edu/magazine
Phone: 847-467-6941
Fax: 847-491-3040
E-mail: s-hargadon@northwestern.edu

Reduce waste ? please don't print this e-mail unless it's completely  
necessary!




From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Tue Jun 16 05:34:27 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Tue Jun 16 05:36:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl
Message-ID: <20090616.053427.7677.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

We currently don't have cable and watch TV via antenna.  This is unlikely to change, which means unless we are in a hotel because the Cats are in a bowl we won't be watching much football on New Years Day.

I don't understand the push to cable.  NO program does as well ratings-wise on cable as it does on the 4 networks.  Is ABC making a big sacrifice because it wants to show Heidi on New Years Day, but can't because of that dang Rose Bowl?  Please explain the logic behind this madness.

I would bet if the Rose Bowl leaves the networks some other bowl game will shift its time, date, and network to get that bigger audience.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:14:44 -0500

This is due to the fact that as of 2011, the rest of the BCS bowls will be
televised on cable (ESPN).  The current ABC/Rose Bowl contract (which runs
until 2014, I believe) has a clause that allows ABC to move the game to ESPN
(both are subsidiaries of Disney) if the rest of the BCS bowls are moved to
cable.  This, of course, means that the vast majority (28/34) of bowls will
be carried by ESPN/ESPN2 staring in 2011 - the only ones left that I can
think of are the Gator and Sun (CBS), Capital One/Citrus (ABC), Texas and
Insight (NFL Network) and Cotton (FOX).

Jonathan

On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

> I note that, as of 2011, ESPN will broadcast the Rose Bowl.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jun 16 06:04:14 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jun 16 06:04:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl
References: <20090616.053427.7677.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <1A63A200C5014B00A7CBCD7630FCE034@DennisMachine>

> We currently don't have cable and watch TV via antenna.  This is unlikely 
> to change, which means unless we are in a hotel because the Cats are in a 
> bowl we won't be watching much football on New Years Day . . .  > I don't 
> understand the push to cable.  NO program does as well ratings-wise on 
> cable as it does on the 4 networks.

ABC and ESPN are part of the same corporate conglomerate, so no loss to 
them.  As to cable ratings vs. networks, you're comparing 4 channels to 
hundreds and only primetime at that.  Start thinking satellite dish.  I'll 
be happy to recommend you to DirecTV, and we'll both get $50 back.  How else 
are you going to get the Big Ten Network and Fox News? 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jun 16 06:58:33 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jun 16 06:57:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl
In-Reply-To: <20090616.053427.7677.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
References: <20090616.053427.7677.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <005b01c9ee79$c694e4f0$53beaed0$@com>

The ESPN "Family of Networks" is trying very hard to get most of college
sports on to cable.

The battle is between the big cable operators - Comcast and Time Warner -
and "the Mouse"/Disney/ABC. 

The Cable guys want a sports tier that costs extra and includes all of the
minor sports channels - ESPNU, ESPN News, NFL, Big 10, etc. Here in Comcast
land we pay 9.95 a month for all of the sports stuff, about 10 channels, and
since we're big Oriole fans, see that as a decent price bump for getting
everything in HD PLUS the Big 10 channel lineup.

The Mouse wants all of their channels on the basic tier with the HD channels
occupying additional space.

I know that the version of the Little League World Series that I work on
draws slightly over 200,000 households for the final game broadcast on
ESPN2. This year we are webcasting the rest of the games so we'll see how
pay per view over the web works but the headlong dash to put the "boutique"
games on cable continues.

Some people involved in broadcasting sports see each game having a smaller,
but select audience. Their marketing and advertising campaigns mirror this,
which is why you see the same kinds of commercials on just about every game
on cable.

I'm sure the thinking in Bristol is that each bowl only draws viewers who
are alumni, with a core audience very similar to the demographic of those
sitting in the stands at the game. I wouldn't be surprised if they had
research that proved that. That audience, in the minds of the Gurus of
Bristol, is what cable was designed to reach, with the over the air channels
reserved for true Mass Media events (like Political speeches and
coronations, etc.)

At some point, all of the major Div I conferences will have their own cable
networks, and I will bet that eventually, cable systems in states away from
those conferences will find a way to not "waste" the bandwidth on various
college sports networks that draw very small numbers.

Personally, I think that webcasting in some form, is the future for most
college sports, but it's going to evolve into a smaller production/pay per
view type of service. Not that I'm ahead of the curve, but I am investing a
fair amount of money in a system to webcast baseball and softball to a world
wide audience this summer.

I'll let you know how it works out.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Linhardt wrote:

I don't understand the push to cable.  NO program does as well ratings-wise
on cable as it does on the 4 networks.  Is ABC making a big sacrifice
because it wants to show Heidi on New Years Day, but can't because of that
dang Rose Bowl?  Please explain the logic behind this madness.


From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 08:01:32 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Jun 16 08:02:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl
In-Reply-To: <005b01c9ee79$c694e4f0$53beaed0$@com>
References: <20090616.053427.7677.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com> 
	<005b01c9ee79$c694e4f0$53beaed0$@com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270906160601g4eaccef5k656e1270cdaa0e22@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, and the fact that cable/satellite have huge penetration in the US
(around 90% or so, last time I heard a number thrown around) and they reach
all of the key demographics for those precious advertisers are huge.  Oh,
and the content providers get subscriber fees for all of those people
whether they watch or not, which has allowed the boom of cable channels and
new programming on those channels (including ESPN where, as an example,
there are more and more bowl games every year, along with more college
football on TV).  Just look at how "smoothly" the over the air digital TV
transition went - in other words not many people still watch analog TV (or
not enough to make enough noise, anyways).

The only thing that could stop this momentum is federal legislation to force
"a la carte" cable TV programming, which is a topic that comes and goes from
time to time - especially when new networks like NFL Network and the Big Ten
Network make a fuss with their cable carrier fees.  If Congress can get past
the cable lobbying groups (i.e. when consumers really get angry at those
rising cable bills) and everyone has real choices when it comes to channels,
then things will begin to change as people will subscribe only to the
channels they want to watch.  The technology behind this capability is
already there in digital cable and the internet, so we'll see what happens.
(The internet is another interesting medium as it's starting to make the big
networks and cable wary with more and more content being available there).

Jonathan

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> The ESPN "Family of Networks" is trying very hard to get most of college
> sports on to cable.
>
> The battle is between the big cable operators - Comcast and Time Warner -
> and "the Mouse"/Disney/ABC.
>
> The Cable guys want a sports tier that costs extra and includes all of the
> minor sports channels - ESPNU, ESPN News, NFL, Big 10, etc. Here in Comcast
> land we pay 9.95 a month for all of the sports stuff, about 10 channels,
> and
> since we're big Oriole fans, see that as a decent price bump for getting
> everything in HD PLUS the Big 10 channel lineup.
>
> The Mouse wants all of their channels on the basic tier with the HD
> channels
> occupying additional space.
>
> I know that the version of the Little League World Series that I work on
> draws slightly over 200,000 households for the final game broadcast on
> ESPN2. This year we are webcasting the rest of the games so we'll see how
> pay per view over the web works but the headlong dash to put the "boutique"
> games on cable continues.
>
> Some people involved in broadcasting sports see each game having a smaller,
> but select audience. Their marketing and advertising campaigns mirror this,
> which is why you see the same kinds of commercials on just about every game
> on cable.
>
> I'm sure the thinking in Bristol is that each bowl only draws viewers who
> are alumni, with a core audience very similar to the demographic of those
> sitting in the stands at the game. I wouldn't be surprised if they had
> research that proved that. That audience, in the minds of the Gurus of
> Bristol, is what cable was designed to reach, with the over the air
> channels
> reserved for true Mass Media events (like Political speeches and
> coronations, etc.)
>
> At some point, all of the major Div I conferences will have their own cable
> networks, and I will bet that eventually, cable systems in states away from
> those conferences will find a way to not "waste" the bandwidth on various
> college sports networks that draw very small numbers.
>
> Personally, I think that webcasting in some form, is the future for most
> college sports, but it's going to evolve into a smaller production/pay per
> view type of service. Not that I'm ahead of the curve, but I am investing a
> fair amount of money in a system to webcast baseball and softball to a
> world
> wide audience this summer.
>
> I'll let you know how it works out.
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> Northwestern University - Sp 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
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> A Few Basic Truths:
>  You cannot Legislate Morality
>  You cannot Litigate Peace
>  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
>  Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
> It's all been tried, and failed before.
> ================================================
> Linhardt wrote:
>
> I don't understand the push to cable.  NO program does as well ratings-wise
> on cable as it does on the 4 networks.  Is ABC making a big sacrifice
> because it wants to show Heidi on New Years Day, but can't because of that
> dang Rose Bowl?  Please explain the logic behind this madness.
>
>
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 08:23:31 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Jun 16 08:23:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Interesting ND TV Revenue Article
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270906160623t47408666w8fd45c61b9dcfba7@mail.gmail.com>

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2009/06/15/as-notre-dames-tv-money-dwindles-so-too-should-its-independenc/

Interesting article that shows how Big Ten institutions are currently taking
in more money from TV/Bowl Games that ND, even with their exclusive NBC
contract.  The Big Ten Network's success has obviously helped, and ND's
recent failings on the field haven't exactly helped their cause (why again
did NBC sign that extension during ND's worst season ever?).  There are a
lot of IFs there - obviously ND's current contract lasts until 2015, and
Delaney and the Big Ten have stated over and over that expansion is on the
back burner, if even on a burner at all, and that a championship game isn't
even on the table even if expansion were to happen.  But one can see that
the tide is turning and eventually ND may find itself in a position where it
needs that conference revenue to keep up with the big boys of college
football (they could likely stay solvent as an independent, but it's
doubtful they could stay in the collegiate "elite" - assuming they are even
still there now).

Jonathan

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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jun 16 08:25:04 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jun 16 08:25:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl
References: <20090616.053427.7677.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<005b01c9ee79$c694e4f0$53beaed0$@com>
	<fcb3ee270906160601g4eaccef5k656e1270cdaa0e22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D66A1FFF1DA4102B84ECB7BC8C3B79C@DennisMachine>

> The only thing that could stop this momentum is federal legislation to 
> force
> "a la carte" cable TV programming, which is a topic that comes and goes 
> from
> time to time - especially when new networks like NFL Network and the Big 
> Ten
> Network make a fuss with their cable carrier fees.

Keep the federal government out of it!  All they will do is screw it up and 
cost us money and/or reduce services.  I present General Motors and Chrysler 
as two very frightening examples of federal hegemony.  It is up to 
subscribers to demand a la carte services and end blackouts.  It's like 
going to Marshall Fields to buy a shirt and be told you can't have it unless 
you buy a suit, too.  There is an economic balance because the 
cable/satellite networks could charge more per channel.  At the very least, 
they need to offer separate tiers of programming.  They are doing some of 
that but not enough.  It just might be that pro players and greed colleges 
just might have to do what the rest of us do everyday and tighten their 
belts.  What a shame if that $50 mil contract would only be $40 mil.  And it 
might be time for some of those cable channels to go off the air if they 
can't draw sufficient viewers.  Anyone's life affected because we no longer 
have the Mutual Broadcasting Network? 

From jason at jasonsinger.com  Tue Jun 16 08:39:51 2009
From: jason at jasonsinger.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Tue Jun 16 08:40:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl
In-Reply-To: <4D66A1FFF1DA4102B84ECB7BC8C3B79C@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <C65D0AD7.175E5%jason@jasonsinger.com>

This is all kind of much ado about nothing. One of the major pieces of the
ESPN family of networks is ABC. The contract does not say it will be on
ESPN. It says it will be on one of ESPN's networks. I am absolutely certain
that, just as they did with the NBA Finals, ESPN will put the BCS games on
ABC. Just thought before we contacted Congress, or rounded up a militia,
that should be pointed out.

Cheers!
Jason Singer SP86


On 6/16/09 8:25 AM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

>> The only thing that could stop this momentum is federal legislation to
>> force
>> "a la carte" cable TV programming, which is a topic that comes and goes
>> from
>> time to time - especially when new networks like NFL Network and the Big
>> Ten
>> Network make a fuss with their cable carrier fees.
> 
> Keep the federal government out of it!  All they will do is screw it up and
> cost us money and/or reduce services.  I present General Motors and Chrysler
> as two very frightening examples of federal hegemony.  It is up to
> subscribers to demand a la carte services and end blackouts.  It's like
> going to Marshall Fields to buy a shirt and be told you can't have it unless
> you buy a suit, too.  There is an economic balance because the
> cable/satellite networks could charge more per channel.  At the very least,
> they need to offer separate tiers of programming.  They are doing some of
> that but not enough.  It just might be that pro players and greed colleges
> just might have to do what the rest of us do everyday and tighten their
> belts.  What a shame if that $50 mil contract would only be $40 mil.  And it
> might be time for some of those cable channels to go off the air if they
> can't draw sufficient viewers.  Anyone's life affected because we no longer
> have the Mutual Broadcasting Network?
> 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jun 16 09:21:39 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Jun 16 09:21:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl
In-Reply-To: <C65D0AD7.175E5%jason@jasonsinger.com>
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	<C65D0AD7.175E5%jason@jasonsinger.com>
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It is much ado about nothing, but we don't have anything else to talk
about, so why not this?

As far as the BTN is concerned, I was skeptical at first, but now and
VERY happy to have it as part of my package.  The Northwestern shows are
on my TIVO schedule.  My wife doesn't understand what pleasure I get
from watching last year's Minny/NU game, for example, because I know how
it is going to turn out, but I just can't help myself.  I tell her it is
the same thing that motivates her to watch re-runs of America's Next Top
Model.  Besides, in rerun mode the game goes a lot faster without
timeouts and fewer commercials.

I suspect there are enough alums at every BT school who share this
feeling that the network is going to do just fine and provide an
additional long term source of revenue for NU athletics.

As far as the cable companies are concerned, there is a role for the
government to play whenever private companies are given exclusive rights
to public infrastructure.  Whether it is exclusive rights to part of the
electromagnetic spectrum or exclusive rights to string wires and provide
services to communities, we own what they are renting and have a right
to control how they use it.

Jeff


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On Behalf Of Jason Singer
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:40 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl

This is all kind of much ado about nothing. One of the major pieces of
the ESPN family of networks is ABC. The contract does not say it will be
on ESPN. It says it will be on one of ESPN's networks. I am absolutely
certain that, just as they did with the NBA Finals, ESPN will put the
BCS games on ABC. Just thought before we contacted Congress, or rounded
up a militia, that should be pointed out.

Cheers!
Jason Singer SP86


On 6/16/09 8:25 AM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

>> The only thing that could stop this momentum is federal legislation 
>> to force "a la carte" cable TV programming, which is a topic that 
>> comes and goes from time to time - especially when new networks like 
>> NFL Network and the Big Ten Network make a fuss with their cable 
>> carrier fees.
> 
> Keep the federal government out of it!  All they will do is screw it 
> up and cost us money and/or reduce services.  I present General Motors

> and Chrysler as two very frightening examples of federal hegemony.  It

> is up to subscribers to demand a la carte services and end blackouts.

> It's like going to Marshall Fields to buy a shirt and be told you 
> can't have it unless you buy a suit, too.  There is an economic 
> balance because the cable/satellite networks could charge more per 
> channel.  At the very least, they need to offer separate tiers of 
> programming.  They are doing some of that but not enough.  It just 
> might be that pro players and greed colleges just might have to do 
> what the rest of us do everyday and tighten their belts.  What a shame

> if that $50 mil contract would only be $40 mil.  And it might be time 
> for some of those cable channels to go off the air if they can't draw 
> sufficient viewers.  Anyone's life affected because we no longer have
the Mutual Broadcasting Network?
> 
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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Tue Jun 16 09:25:32 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Tue Jun 16 09:28:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl
Message-ID: <20090616.092532.14996.0@webmail03.dca.untd.com>

If you have program A on ESPN or program A on ABC which gets the highest rating?

ABC will always get the highest ratings even if 100% of the people with TVs have cable/dish with ESPN.

Everbody can find the network stations by number, but not everybody knows the number of ESPN.

Either way as long as we live in Chicagoland and have season tickets we are highly unlikely to get cable/dish.  For the away games we aren't attending we hit a bar or listen to them on WGN.

Unless ABC has alternate programming it can put on that will draw ratings or is using the Rose Bowl as a loss leader it makes no financial sense to put it on ESPN.  Eyes are eyes for advertisements and 11 million ABC is better than 9 million on ESPN.  Note:  Numbers are made up.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jason Singer <jason@jasonsinger.com>

This is all kind of much ado about nothing. One of the major pieces of the
ESPN family of networks is ABC. The contract does not say it will be on
ESPN. It says it will be on one of ESPN's networks. I am absolutely certain
that, just as they did with the NBA Finals, ESPN will put the BCS games on
ABC. Just thought before we contacted Congress, or rounded up a militia,
that should be pointed out.


On 6/16/09 8:25 AM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

>> The only thing that could stop this momentum is federal legislation to
>> force
>> "a la carte" cable TV programming, which is a topic that comes and goes
>> from
>> time to time - especially when new networks like NFL Network and the Big
>> Ten
>> Network make a fuss with their cable carrier fees.
> 
> Keep the federal government out of it!  All they will do is screw it up and
> cost us money and/or reduce services.  I present General Motors and Chrysler
> as two very frightening examples of federal hegemony.  It is up to
> subscribers to demand a la carte services and end blackouts.  It's like
> going to Marshall Fields to buy a shirt and be told you can't have it unless
> you buy a suit, too.  There is an economic balance because the
> cable/satellite networks could charge more per channel.  At the very least,
> they need to offer separate tiers of programming.  They are doing some of
> that but not enough.  It just might be that pro players and greed colleges
> just might have to do what the rest of us do everyday and tighten their
> belts.  What a shame if that $50 mil contract would only be $40 mil.  And it
> might be time for some of those cable channels to go off the air if they
> can't draw sufficient viewers.  Anyone's life affected because we no longer
> have the Mutual Broadcasting Network?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Tue Jun 16 10:46:40 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Tue Jun 16 10:47:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl
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One reason for the shift may lie in the fact that ABC sports is now a
subdivision of ESPN, which is why you now see ESPN on ABC on every sports
broadcast on ABC now.  The profits in Disney television are primarily
generated by ESPN so it stands to reason that in any internal corporate
battle ESPN would be the winner.  The fact that the head of ESPN now runs
ABC sports only contributes to those decisions.

 One additional factor may be that this is in preparation for the renewal
negotiations because due to ESPN's revenue structure (it earns both
advertising and subscription dollars) it is in a position to outbid any
broadcast network.  It would like to get the Rose Bowl and the two
conferences comfortable with its presentation of the game and it audience
reach so renewal talks will only focus on money.

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On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 6:34 AM, mlinhardt@netzero.com <
mlinhardt@netzero.com> wrote:

> We currently don't have cable and watch TV via antenna.  This is unlikely
> to change, which means unless we are in a hotel because the Cats are in a
> bowl we won't be watching much football on New Years Day.
>
> I don't understand the push to cable.  NO program does as well ratings-wise
> on cable as it does on the 4 networks.  Is ABC making a big sacrifice
> because it wants to show Heidi on New Years Day, but can't because of that
> dang Rose Bowl?  Please explain the logic behind this madness.
>
> I would bet if the Rose Bowl leaves the networks some other bowl game will
> shift its time, date, and network to get that bigger audience.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
> To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Rose Bowl
> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 08:14:44 -0500
>
> This is due to the fact that as of 2011, the rest of the BCS bowls will be
> televised on cable (ESPN).  The current ABC/Rose Bowl contract (which runs
> until 2014, I believe) has a clause that allows ABC to move the game to
> ESPN
> (both are subsidiaries of Disney) if the rest of the BCS bowls are moved to
> cable.  This, of course, means that the vast majority (28/34) of bowls will
> be carried by ESPN/ESPN2 staring in 2011 - the only ones left that I can
> think of are the Gator and Sun (CBS), Capital One/Citrus (ABC), Texas and
> Insight (NFL Network) and Cotton (FOX).
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I note that, as of 2011, ESPN will broadcast the Rose Bowl.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 16 15:25:39 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jun 16 15:25:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Interesting ND TV Revenue Article
Message-ID: <855121.29869.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Fascinating article and it appears to have a lot of logic in it as well.

Even more reason the Big Ten should play hardball and quit scheduling the Irish. Have you seen their 2009 schedule? Take away the tradition-rich ratings draws against Michigan and MSU (and to a lesser extent, Purdue) and you basically have NBC paying millions to broadcast the USC-ND game every two years. Wazzo in the AlamoDome ain't gonna bring in the crowds. Neither will Army, Navy, Air Force or Nevada.

The Big Ten does not need Notre Dame to survive, but if we want to vault up to this new elite stratosphere where the SEC is now (and where the Big XII is trying to get, although not everyone is leaping with OU/UT), adding Notre Dame and having the title game would be the way to do it.

But it has to be them coming to us, on our terms. 

I think most fans are fine with the way things are now. Only the talking heads on ESPN seem to be clamoring for a title game and they keep failing to realize that these so-called title games have become a joke. The Big XII title game has never matched the two best teams in its league up, and the #1 vs. #2 game last year was the exception rather than the rule in the SEC, where we've had to sit through Florida vs. Arkansas or LSU vs. Tennessee instead of LSU vs. Florida the past few years.

As for the ESPN/ABC discussion - ABC sports have all become "ESPN on ABC" the past few years anyway - pro and college - as they try and create their own brand. Just another reason for the Big Ten and Pac 10 to break away from this joke of a system called the B(C)S (aka the Big XII Championship System or Because they Come from the SEC) ... and take the Rose Bowl and its tradition apart in negotiations.

Rescue the Rose Bowl! Protect Pasadena!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Fri Jun 19 14:09:56 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Fri Jun 19 14:11:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Shurna Makes U-19 team
Message-ID: <223fce250906191209va8ce624sfc5b70b54a941846@mail.gmail.com>

A little positive basketball news to help tide you over to summer practice
starts.  John Shurna was selected for the USA Basketball U-19 team that will
compete this summer in New Zealand for the World U-19 Championship.  Only 12
players made the squad.  It's a great honor for Shurna and should really
help improve his game over the summer.
Mark

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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun 20 17:05:12 2009
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sat Jun 20 17:05:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] USC's New Basketball Coach...
Message-ID: <944694.67096.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

...is the esteemed Kevin O'Neil.
?
They must be jealous at Arizona!
From rgmorris at austin.rr.com  Sat Jun 20 22:27:53 2009
From: rgmorris at austin.rr.com (Rosemary G. Morris)
Date: Sat Jun 20 22:33:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Medill Graduate: Northwestern honors journalist freed
	from Iran 
Message-ID: <001e01c9f220$43476f00$c9d64d00$@rr.com>


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/6490171.html


Worth noting.


Rosemary Morris

Austin

 

Son:  Jason

          NU 1997

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sun Jun 21 22:31:58 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Sun Jun 21 22:33:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Incoming Football Player
Message-ID: <223fce250906212031g1b86052fi90c3df1aa9f5cba8@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent story in the Trib about incoming freshman lineman Patrick Ward,
the epitome of the scholar-athlete we want to see recruited at NU.  He is a
first team all state lineman in Illinois and co-valecdictorian of his
class.  You just have to love a kid whose only "B" came in a junior high
school gym class:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/chi-21-prep-sa-storyjun21,0,5781365.story

Mark
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Mon Jun 22 17:20:51 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Mon Jun 22 17:21:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Coach Fitz on Twitter
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BB2F@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

For those of you not already part of the Twitter universe, herewith this most excellent post today from our outstanding coach, an announcement that reflects our pride in doing-it-the-right-way way at Northwestern:

"coachfitz51: Updated Spring Grades, 54 players above a 3.0.  6 of our young men received a 4.0. That's 3 Straight Quarters of 50+ above a 3.0 (56,51,54)!"

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Jun 22 18:31:31 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun 22 18:31:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Coach Fitz on Twitter
Message-ID: <d69.44e5f83b.37716e53@aol.com>

Great, I resist twitter, face book, texting and most of the newer forms of  
communication, I hope I do not outlive newspapers.  I did stumble across a  
program on big ten network on demand which was a history of NU with great  
archival footage and interviews, worth seeking out. Go CATS!!
 
Peace  















































and  Love  

 
In a message dated 6/22/2009 6:21:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com writes:

For  those of you not already part of the Twitter universe, herewith this 
most  excellent post today from our outstanding coach, an announcement that 
reflects  our pride in doing-it-the-right-way way at Northwestern:

"coachfitz51:  Updated Spring Grades, 54 players above a 3.0.  6 of our 
young men  received a 4.0. That's 3 Straight Quarters of 50+ above a 3.0  
(56,51,54)!"

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Jun 23 12:47:53 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Jun 23 12:48:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270906231047x62e5b311nbb3d19c30796ad65@mail.gmail.com>

In case you missed it:

http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/062309aac.html

-- 
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jun 23 13:38:18 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 23 13:38:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] USC's New Basketball Coach...
In-Reply-To: <944694.67096.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <944694.67096.qm@web83905.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CBC248E9335EA9-D80-631@mblk-d26.sysops.aol.com>

Has anyone ever seen an explanation of the Lute Olsen/KO/leave of absence/divorce/dismissal saga ?? I remember the drama, but never read why it played out the way it did.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


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Subject: [NU Sports] USC's New Basketball Coach...



...is the esteemed Kevin O'Neil.
?
They must be jealous at Arizona!
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 23 17:14:44 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jun 23 17:14:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] USC's New Basketball Coach...
Message-ID: <487318.23034.qm@web52901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Never really saw much about it down here either -- it was pretty clear Lute wasn't happy how KO, the "heir apparent," handled his year in charge with three pretty high draft picks on the team and mediocre results.

But then again, Lute basically messed up the program that he built for so long as well with his messy divorce, a lost recruiting year and some NCAA investigations.

I asked a friend at work why her Wildcats were just letting everything slide - she just shrugged and said that it's Lute's court and Lute's team. So I guess he's too much of a diety in Tucson for them to dig much into this story.

Or they're just happy KO isn't on their sidelines ... and that they dodged a bullet by not hiring Floyd.

I think U of A got a good guy in Xavier's Miller, but Lute pretty much wiped out the cupboard there, so they may be building awhile. But it's not the mess KO is walking into at SC.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!



      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 24 16:43:30 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jun 24 16:43:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
Message-ID: <99117.26614.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Amen! Give this man whatever he wants - he IS our JoePa!

The bad news is that the national media may finally be starting to realize that - Fitz finally got some overdue praise for guiding this program after the Walker tragedy in some of the college preview mags I've been reading lately. Getting him locked down through 2015 now will hopefully stop the poaching from other schools (or at least the idea of it).

Still putting the touches on my season preview -- tough to see us getting 9 wins again, even though I think we could be a better team overall. Gotta get those four NC wins and kick the two bucket schools and move on from there.

Is it football season yet?

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
> To: "NU Sports Listserv" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 10:47 AM
> In case you missed it:
> 
> http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/062309aac.html
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan W. Hodges
> 1237 Emerson St Apt 2
> Evanston, IL? 60201-3577
> (847) 736-2449
> jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jun 24 16:55:54 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Jun 24 16:56:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
References: <99117.26614.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8AAF542A05AC48FBB0A0312A442B8215@DennisMachine>

I see nine wins and maybe more.  I really do.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: "NU Sports Listserv" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015


>
> Amen! Give this man whatever he wants - he IS our JoePa!
>
> The bad news is that the national media may finally be starting to realize 
> that - Fitz finally got some overdue praise for guiding this program after 
> the Walker tragedy in some of the college preview mags I've been reading 
> lately. Getting him locked down through 2015 now will hopefully stop the 
> poaching from other schools (or at least the idea of it).
>
> Still putting the touches on my season preview -- tough to see us getting 
> 9 wins again, even though I think we could be a better team overall. Gotta 
> get those four NC wins and kick the two bucket schools and move on from 
> there.
>
> Is it football season yet?
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
>> To: "NU Sports Listserv" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 10:47 AM
>> In case you missed it:
>>
>> http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/062309aac.html
>>
>> -- 
>> Jonathan W. Hodges
>> 1237 Emerson St Apt 2
>> Evanston, IL 60201-3577
>> (847) 736-2449
>> jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Wed Jun 24 17:09:49 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Wed Jun 24 17:10:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7BB40@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Me, too. 
 Kafka is going to be the real deal. 


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To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>; NU Sports Listserv <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Wed Jun 24 17:55:54 2009
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015

I see nine wins and maybe more.  I really do.

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "NU Sports Listserv" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015


>
> Amen! Give this man whatever he wants - he IS our JoePa!
>
> The bad news is that the national media may finally be starting to realize 
> that - Fitz finally got some overdue praise for guiding this program after 
> the Walker tragedy in some of the college preview mags I've been reading 
> lately. Getting him locked down through 2015 now will hopefully stop the 
> poaching from other schools (or at least the idea of it).
>
> Still putting the touches on my season preview -- tough to see us getting 
> 9 wins again, even though I think we could be a better team overall. Gotta 
> get those four NC wins and kick the two bucket schools and move on from 
> there.
>
> Is it football season yet?
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
> --- On Tue, 6/23/09, Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
>> Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
>> To: "NU Sports Listserv" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 10:47 AM
>> In case you missed it:
>>
>> http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/062309aac.html
>>
>> -- 
>> Jonathan W. Hodges
>> 1237 Emerson St Apt 2
>> Evanston, IL 60201-3577
>> (847) 736-2449
>> jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jun 24 22:29:11 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jun 24 22:22:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
In-Reply-To: <99117.26614.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <99117.26614.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00fd01c9f545$1b9c0c90$52d425b0$@com>

Well, the key is Kafka...

If he is the running fool that beat Minny, then it will be a long season,
once the Big 10 gets started.

If he is the guy who was a star in Chicago - then watch out Big 10, because
he will run and pick apart those defenses looking for a run only QB.

In any case, if he falters, watch for an early appearance by Dan Persa, but
ran this thing all the way to a state championship game in PA (yeah, he
lost) and from what I read, is the real deal.

But then, so was....

rsl

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 5:44 PM
To: NU Sports Listserv
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015


Amen! Give this man whatever he wants - he IS our JoePa!

The bad news is that the national media may finally be starting to realize
that - Fitz finally got some overdue praise for guiding this program after
the Walker tragedy in some of the college preview mags I've been reading
lately. Getting him locked down through 2015 now will hopefully stop the
poaching from other schools (or at least the idea of it).

Still putting the touches on my season preview -- tough to see us getting 9
wins again, even though I think we could be a better team overall. Gotta get
those four NC wins and kick the two bucket schools and move on from there.

Is it football season yet?

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
> To: "NU Sports Listserv" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 10:47 AM
> In case you missed it:
> 
> http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/062309aac.html
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan W. Hodges
> 1237 Emerson St Apt 2
> Evanston, IL? 60201-3577
> (847) 736-2449
> jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jun 25 07:26:47 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Jun 25 07:30:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
In-Reply-To: <00fd01c9f545$1b9c0c90$52d425b0$@com>
References: <99117.26614.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<00fd01c9f545$1b9c0c90$52d425b0$@com>
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE058D6228@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I also think it would be wonderful to see Kafka throw the ball effectively.  That would be best for him and the team.

I'm just not nearly as optimistic as others and agree with Coach that we are likely to see a different QB finish the season than the one that started it.  If that happens, I think that a bowl game is going to be a struggle.

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 11:29 PM
To: 'SjT (Stephen J. Truog)'; 'NU Sports Listserv'
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015

Well, the key is Kafka...

If he is the running fool that beat Minny, then it will be a long season, once the Big 10 gets started.

If he is the guy who was a star in Chicago - then watch out Big 10, because he will run and pick apart those defenses looking for a run only QB.

In any case, if he falters, watch for an early appearance by Dan Persa, but ran this thing all the way to a state championship game in PA (yeah, he
lost) and from what I read, is the real deal.

But then, so was....

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ---------------------- Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R] Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68 Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports) ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  =========== A Few Basic Truths:
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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 5:44 PM
To: NU Sports Listserv
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015


Amen! Give this man whatever he wants - he IS our JoePa!

The bad news is that the national media may finally be starting to realize
that - Fitz finally got some overdue praise for guiding this program after
the Walker tragedy in some of the college preview mags I've been reading
lately. Getting him locked down through 2015 now will hopefully stop the
poaching from other schools (or at least the idea of it).

Still putting the touches on my season preview -- tough to see us getting 9
wins again, even though I think we could be a better team overall. Gotta get
those four NC wins and kick the two bucket schools and move on from there.

Is it football season yet?

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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--- On Tue, 6/23/09, Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
> To: "NU Sports Listserv" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 10:47 AM
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Jun 25 08:49:40 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 25 08:50:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
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I would hope that 7-5 would be the bare minimum.? We have to consistently dominate in our 4 n-c games (we have to go 4-0 every year, that's what good teams do).? Also 2 home games against the Gophers and the Hoosiers (neither foe should bring many fans), and maybe a win at Purdue, we seem to play pretty well down there.



Maybe we can sneak away with one of the two home games against PSU and Wisconsin, but I wouldn't want to count on that.? Purple fans will probably be in the minority both games anyway.? MSU should be a very tough road game, And Iowa and Illinois on the road are tough games - we can't keep winning surprise road games at Iowa City, can we ?? And while Fitz can easily outcoach Zook, Zook's raw talent is probably due for a win against us.



Still, having strong defense-oriented coaches encourages me that we can be in the mix most games.? I still remember too many hopeless track meets with our old DC...(though his act still seems to be playing up at Millersville)



Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 7:26 am
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015




I also think it would be wonderful to see Kafka throw the ball effectively.  
That would be best for him and the team.

I'm just not nearly as optimistic as others and agree with Coach that we are 
likely to see a different QB finish the season than the one that started it.  If 
that happens, I think that a bowl game is going to be a struggle.

Jeff


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Well, the key is Kafka...

If he is the running fool that beat Minny, then it will be a long season, once 
the Big 10 gets started.

If he is the guy who was a star in Chicago - then watch out Big 10, because he 
will run and pick apart those defenses looking for a run only QB.

In any case, if he falters, watch for an early appearance by Dan Persa, but ran 
this thing all the way to a state championship game in PA (yeah, he
lost) and from what I read, is the real deal.

But then, so was....

rsl

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Amen! Give this man whatever he wants - he IS our JoePa!

The bad news is that the national media may finally be starting to realize
that - Fitz finally got some overdue praise for guiding this program after
the Walker tragedy in some of the college preview mags I've been reading
lately. Getting him locked down through 2015 now will hopefully stop the
poaching from other schools (or at least the idea of it).

Still putting the touches on my season preview -- tough to see us getting 9
wins again, even though I think we could be a better team overall. Gotta get
those four NC wins and kick the two bucket schools and move on from there.

Is it football season yet?

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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> From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
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> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2009, 10:47 AM
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Thu Jun 25 10:46:58 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Thu Jun 25 10:47:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
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I agree that while we're certainly capable of winning at least nine 
games, so are several other Big Ten teams. Remember, last year was 
initially considered to be a peak year for NU; Wootton's unexpected 
return is a plus for the 'Cats, but he has to be fully healthy. I have 
no problem with optimism, just as long as it's not merely a pretext for 
a bunch of "Let's fire Fitz" posts the moment we lose our first (or 
second, or even fourth) game.

I like the contract extension not because I think it will stop poaching 
and/or media speculation -- that seems to happen regardless, in all 
situations -- but because it sends a message of stability and commitment 
in a "what have you done for me lately" world. Most coaches, especially 
Pat Fitzgerald, are already highly motivated to win; keeping some kind 
of constant sword hanging over their head for "motivation" is 
superfluous to the point of being insulting. No matter what happens this 
coming season, I'm glad that our AD seems to be behind our coach for the 
long haul.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> I also think it would be wonderful to see Kafka throw the ball effectively.  That would be best for him and the team.
>
> I'm just not nearly as optimistic as others and agree with Coach that we are likely to see a different QB finish the season than the one that started it.  If that happens, I think that a bowl game is going to be a struggle.
>   

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 25 12:45:15 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Jun 25 12:45:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
Message-ID: <891460.86171.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


> I agree that while we're certainly
> capable of winning at least nine games, so are several other
> Big Ten teams. 

Exactly. This should be a pretty wild year. I think there are two clear teams at the top and two clear teams at the bottom, but where the other seven will shake out is anyone's guess.

> plus for the 'Cats, but he has to be fully healthy. I have
> no problem with optimism, just as long as it's not merely a
> pretext for a bunch of "Let's fire Fitz" posts the moment we

Exactly. This is our guy. And you're right about the extension showing that the school is behind him for the long haul.

> I would hope that 7-5 would be the bare minimum.? We have
> to consistently dominate in our 4 n-c games (we have to go
> 4-0 every year, that's what good teams do).? Also 2 home
> games against the Gophers and the Hoosiers (neither foe
> should bring many fans), and maybe a win at Purdue, we seem

I agree that our four NC games and the two Bucket schools are gottawins - especially after those darn Hoosiers tripped up a 10-win season last year. I'd put those six in the "gotta win" category for 2009.

> Maybe we can sneak away with one of the two home games
> against PSU and Wisconsin, but I wouldn't want to count on
> that.? Purple fans will probably be in the minority both

We have played well against the Badgers recently, but that could be a bizarre game because Bielema could be coaching for his job there and be in one of those "fourth and nine? GO FOR IT!" moods to try and save his butt. As for PSU, I think the Nits are the best team in the Big Ten, so that's definitely our tallest order of the year.

> games anyway.? MSU should be a very tough road game, And
> Iowa and Illinois on the road are tough games - we can't
> keep winning surprise road games at Iowa City, can we ?? And

Agreed as well, though we've also played well at MSU recently - along with our six "gottawins," we need those two home games with Minny and Wisky and one of the road games at MSU/Illinois to get to nine. PSU and Iowa would be icing on the cake.

Wisconsin and MSU, despite recent successes, will be tricky. Minnesota is everybody's sleeper this year, but at least we get them early and at home. And as you said, Illinois is bound to click with all that talent soon, right?

So yeah, I'm optimistic and think we'll be a better team, but nine wins is gonna be a tall order for Fitz.

Thankfully Fitz isn't one to shy away from a challenge.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Jun 25 20:50:38 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 25 20:53:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz Contract Extended through 2015
Message-ID: <d24.4cd37927.3775836e@aol.com>

I hope Fitz sticks around as long as he wants to, I am not convinced that a 
 superstar coach makes a big difference, but the obscene salaries being 
paid and  the success from some programs when the change is made makes me 
wonder. As a  philosophy major I continue to wonder about a lot of things.
 
Peace  















































and  Love  

 
In a message dated 6/25/2009 1:45:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sjtruog@yahoo.com writes:


>  I agree that while we're certainly
> capable of winning at least nine  games, so are several other
> Big Ten teams. 

Exactly. This  should be a pretty wild year. I think there are two clear 
teams at the top and  two clear teams at the bottom, but where the other seven 
will shake out is  anyone's guess.

> plus for the 'Cats, but he has to be fully  healthy. I have
> no problem with optimism, just as long as it's not  merely a
> pretext for a bunch of "Let's fire Fitz" posts the moment  we

Exactly. This is our guy. And you're right about the extension  showing 
that the school is behind him for the long haul.

> I would  hope that 7-5 would be the bare minimum.? We have
> to consistently  dominate in our 4 n-c games (we have to go
> 4-0 every year, that's what  good teams do).? Also 2 home
> games against the Gophers and the  Hoosiers (neither foe
> should bring many fans), and maybe a win at  Purdue, we seem

I agree that our four NC games and the two Bucket  schools are gottawins - 
especially after those darn Hoosiers tripped up a  10-win season last year. 
I'd put those six in the "gotta win" category for  2009.

> Maybe we can sneak away with one of the two home  games
> against PSU and Wisconsin, but I wouldn't want to count  on
> that.? Purple fans will probably be in the minority both

We  have played well against the Badgers recently, but that could be a 
bizarre  game because Bielema could be coaching for his job there and be in one 
of  those "fourth and nine? GO FOR IT!" moods to try and save his butt. As 
for  PSU, I think the Nits are the best team in the Big Ten, so that's 
definitely  our tallest order of the year.

> games anyway.? MSU should be a very  tough road game, And
> Iowa and Illinois on the road are tough games -  we can't
> keep winning surprise road games at Iowa City, can we ??  And

Agreed as well, though we've also played well at MSU recently -  along with 
our six "gottawins," we need those two home games with Minny and  Wisky and 
one of the road games at MSU/Illinois to get to nine. PSU and Iowa  would 
be icing on the cake.

Wisconsin and MSU, despite recent  successes, will be tricky. Minnesota is 
everybody's sleeper this year, but at  least we get them early and at home. 
And as you said, Illinois is bound to  click with all that talent soon, 
right?

So yeah, I'm optimistic and  think we'll be a better team, but nine wins is 
gonna be a tall order for  Fitz.

Thankfully Fitz isn't one to shy away from a challenge.

GO  CATS!!!
-SjT

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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Jun 27 16:20:09 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Jun 27 16:20:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] J. A. Happ
Message-ID: <E7C7455FD2744CF2BCA18D546578B1AD@DennisMachine>

J. A. Happ pitched a complete-game, five-hit shutout against the Blue Jays today.  No walks and only 100 pitches.  GO PHILLIES GO!
From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Jun 29 16:02:50 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun 29 16:03:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Syracuse Shake-up
Message-ID: <8CBC71418CC392B-C50-B7@WEBMAIL-DF07.sysops.aol.com>

It appears at least 17 players have left the Syracuse football team (or been pushed by the new coach).? 

http://www.syracuse.com/today/index.ssf/2009/06/syracuse_university_confirms_s.html

I've seen some of this with coaching changes, but seem to recall that it tended to be fewer.? This could mean a) a very thin team, or perhaps b) a number of mercenaries (juco transfers) brought in.

In any event, this kind of churn, added to the installation of new schemes, etc, should be a positive note for our game against the Orange.

As stated before, 4-0 vs Miami, Towson, Syracuse and EMU is essential.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jun 29 16:08:56 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jun 29 16:10:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Syracuse Shake-up
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I guess they're mostly backups but you are right, they usually don't have as
many kids leave this early.

NU had a lot of Seniors leave after GB had the Rose Bowl season. He had
recruited all those great (on paper) linemen, and they forced out several
kids who would have been 5th year seniors.

When Walker finally did come in a few years later, there just wasn't any
depth because everyone had to play early. 

Not sure what that means for our game with them in the 3rd week, but if they
are hurting up front, our guys should have a fun time in the trenches. Right
now they don't have any backups at guard.

rsl 

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Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:03 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Syracuse Shake-up

It appears at least 17 players have left the Syracuse football team (or been
pushed by the new coach).? 

http://www.syracuse.com/today/index.ssf/2009/06/syracuse_university_confirms
_s.html

I've seen some of this with coaching changes, but seem to recall that it
tended to be fewer.? This could mean a) a very thin team, or perhaps b) a
number of mercenaries (juco transfers) brought in.

In any event, this kind of churn, added to the installation of new schemes,
etc, should be a positive note for our game against the Orange.

As stated before, 4-0 vs Miami, Towson, Syracuse and EMU is essential.

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Jun 29 16:31:30 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun 29 16:31:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Strength of Schedule
Message-ID: <8CBC71819E1374B-C50-236@WEBMAIL-DF07.sysops.aol.com>

Sporting News believes our non-conf schedule is 3rd easiest in the league, behind only Penn State (Akron, Syracuse, Temple and Eastern Illinois) and the Hoosiers (Eastern Kentucky, Western Michigan, at Akron, at Virginia)

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-06-21/ranking-nonconference-schedules-big-ten

They also label the Towson game as the 2nd worst n-c game in the league, behind only the EIU-PSU game.? Until reading this article, I hadn't realized that there was an 'Eastern Kentucky University'...though it appears to have 16,000 students in a town of about 30,000 people (Richmond, KY).

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Mon Jun 29 16:37:09 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Mon Jun 29 16:37:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Strength of Schedule
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Prediction: easy schedule or not, we are going to be good.
 

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Sporting News believes our non-conf schedule is 3rd easiest in the
league, behind only Penn State (Akron, Syracuse, Temple and Eastern
Illinois) and the Hoosiers (Eastern Kentucky, Western Michigan, at
Akron, at Virginia)

http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-06-21/ranking-
nonconference-schedules-big-ten

They also label the Towson game as the 2nd worst n-c game in the league,
behind only the EIU-PSU game.? Until reading this article, I hadn't
realized that there was an 'Eastern Kentucky University'...though it
appears to have 16,000 students in a town of about 30,000 people
(Richmond, KY).

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Jun 29 16:55:10 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jun 29 16:59:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Dumb, dumb, dumb
Message-ID: <8CBC71B6896416E-C50-352@WEBMAIL-DF07.sysops.aol.com>

Jim Phillips keeps pursuing the idiotic 'game at wrigley' idea.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-3-611/Northwestern-continues-to-explore-Wrigley-game.html

I can think of many reasons not to do this:

- Awful parking (and my parking pass will do me no good here, AND be useful for one fewer game in Evanston)

- Our fans likely outnumbered by opposing fans (very likely liquored-up after a few hours in wrigleyville)

- Surrounding neighborhood of bars and taverns is fitting for a pro venue, but the college game should be surrounded by academic buildings and sun-dappled trees

- Seats at Wrigley bound to have worse sight-lines than prime seats at Dyche

- Crumbling concrete. inadequate bathrooms and?concessions at Wrigley

- Probably charge more for the game, especially with the new Cub buyers taking on all sorts of debt.? Weren't the Blackhawk tickets $100 and up ?

And quite a few more come to mind.? Also, some of us South-siders were raised to never venture north of North Avenue...(grin)

Hockey on a baseball field in mid-Winter is a great attraction - Football on a baseball field in mid-November is a marriage made in hell.? Don't forget how the infield can mess up several aspects of the football game.

And won't the Wrigley neighbors, who try and limit all usage there (night games, concerts), try and veto this idea ?

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 29 18:15:48 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jun 29 18:15:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Dumb, dumb, dumb
Message-ID: <281549.40898.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


:) - tell us how you really feel, Chuck!

Nice post. I think he's trying to come up with one of those (and forgive me in advance) "outside the box" ideas for marketing NU football. And yes, a one-time game at Wrigley would get us tons of promotion that we wouldn't have otherwise ... but as you point out, there are a host of negatives and like most of those "OTB" ideas (eew, I can't stand even saying it after years of meetings with managers who loved the phrase), it sounds interesting at first but less likable the more you look into it.

I agree and hope we don't do it - but it appears to be a big push. I'd rather us do what we can to improve the gameday experience at Dyche. And to be honest, they've done a lot in the last decade - there are just forces working here (that we've been over many times on the list) that hurt our attendance.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Mon Jun 29 18:20:56 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Mon Jun 29 18:21:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Strength of Schedule
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EKU is a traditional I-AA power although it has fallen on leaner times in
recent years.  EKU won the Ohio Valley Conference last year for the second
straight year and lost to Richmond in the playoffs for the second straight
year.
Mark

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On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <
Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com> wrote:

> Prediction: easy schedule or not, we are going to be good.
>
>
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> On Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:32 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Strength of Schedule
>
> Sporting News believes our non-conf schedule is 3rd easiest in the
> league, behind only Penn State (Akron, Syracuse, Temple and Eastern
> Illinois) and the Hoosiers (Eastern Kentucky, Western Michigan, at
> Akron, at Virginia)
>
> http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-06-21/ranking-
> nonconference-schedules-big-ten<http://www.sportingnews.com/college-football/article/2009-06-21/ranking-%0Anonconference-schedules-big-ten>
>
> They also label the Towson game as the 2nd worst n-c game in the league,
> behind only the EIU-PSU game.? Until reading this article, I hadn't
> realized that there was an 'Eastern Kentucky University'...though it
> appears to have 16,000 students in a town of about 30,000 people
> (Richmond, KY).
>
> Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 29 18:39:24 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jun 29 18:39:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Strength of Schedule
Message-ID: <188940.79081.qm@web52901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Always fun to read the preseason pubs -- not too nuts about the guy TSN used to preview the Big Ten, though (Kinnick as the best stadium, in a league that includes the Big House, Ohio Stadium, Spartan Stadium, Beaver Stadium, Camp Randall and a new gem in Minneapolis???). They also has Wisky and Michigan both headed to the Insight Bowl and us making a bowl in 2007.

As for the schedule, I agree it's a pretty easy one, but that's the name of the game until the BCS gives any reason to do otherwise. Consider these whopper NC slates ...

- Florida: All four at home, only FSU is a name foe and they're unavoidable. And before you say, "well, they get the SEC" - they skip both Bama and Ole Miss, meaning their only games against likely top 25 teams are Georgia and LSU.

- Texas: Louisiana-Monroe, UTEP and UCF visit Austin while the Horns take on Wyoming on the road. With Mizzou falling, their only Top 25 games are Oklahoma, Okie State (a BIG TIME darkhorse this year) and probably Texas Tech or Kansas.

- Ole Miss: TSN's upstart pick has a semi-tough opener at Memphis, followed by home dates with SE Louisiana, UAB and Northern Arizona

--- Side note here, does ANYONE in the SEC (outside of Georgia, who plays Okie State and Arizona State) ever leave the south for games? Bama starts a home-home with Penn State in the near future, but seriously, these guys never leave home turf for nonconference or bowls and then just keep telling everyone they're the best and we should buy it.

One other weakling, Notre Dame's schedule. With USC being their only top 25 foe (MSU might be a second) and home dates with Nevada, Washington, Boston College, Navy, UConn and a "home" game vs. Washington St. in Texas.

Sadly for fans, the games like USC-OSU this year or OSU-Texas a few years back are dying out as there's just no reason to do it in the B(C)S system. Just play within your league, hype up how good the league is and win and you're in (or in the SEC's case, lose 1 or 2 and you're still in -- gotta love their hype machine!).

One other interesting schedule note - the Pac 10 and Big Least have each moved multiple league games to that first weekend in December and not just 1 or 2 like years past. They both have essentially a full slate to go along with the so-called league championship games that either don't match the league's two best teams or get outdrawn by nearby high school football games.

That means the Big Ten will be done and out of the discussion for two full weeks while the rest of the teams play. Not good for OSU and PSU's chances of making the title game (for their Nov. game winner) or getting interest going for an at-large berth (for the loser).

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From tmcadams at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 29 21:29:11 2009
From: tmcadams at yahoo.com (Trey McAdams)
Date: Mon Jun 29 21:29:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Dumb, dumb, dumb
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I respectfully disagree.  This is an idea and needs to be an annual event.

Frankly - A home and home NU/BC-Wrigley/Fenway is a marketing dream for both programs/cities. Given that BC is already on the schedule.

Here are my reasons why:
 - The Wrigley visual would be unmatched in college football.  The program would get a ton of coverage and that would only be a good thing.  There is no other unique venue in the U.S. that could host a college football game.  Period. (OK - Fenway is at the same level, but nothing is close to those 2).
 - Parking (Fair point) is an issue.  However, Evanston is not exactly easy in - easy out.  For a one time event, I do not think Philips should be making decisions on how easy it is to park.  Chuck, I live about 12 blocks from Wrigley.  You have a personal invitation from me to park at my place and walk to Wrigley with me an my family if it will change your opinion.
 - Outnumbered - maybe.  Tickets would be tied to a season ticket package, so I think this would help us.  Rice will not outdraw us.  I promise you.  The liquored up part would generally be true - but it is not like walking into an SEC game or anything.
 - Pro Venue - I disagree with you on the pro venue comment.  I take my family of 5 to all of the games and would LOVE a Wrigley game.  Let's be honest, Ryan Field is not sacred ground in college football.  This is a once in a lifetime type of event.  The more we can reinforce Chicago and Northwestern, the better it helps out image to recruit.  Fans want unique experiences and players do to.  This would also have recruiting boost.
 - The event is not about site lines for fans.  It is about a unique experience.  I saw a Cowboys/Packers game at County Stadium and you are right, site lines are not perfect.
 - Crumbling concrete. Sounds like a White Sox fan to me.  Do you want a pristine stadium and ZERO character or character and crumbling concrete? I vote for character.
 - Probably charge more for the game.  How is this a bad thing?  That is good for the program.  This is a one time event.
 - North Avenue comment - When I moved close to north avenue in 1994 (not knowing better), EVERYTHING was for sale on North Avenue.  Not sure where I am going with this.
 - Wrigley neighbordhood/Daley is Philips problem to solve.  Daley will need some good press after Chicago loses the 2016 Olympics.  So I think he can make it happen.

Just one man's opinion.  I am soooooo ready for football.




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From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com; cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 6:15:48 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Dumb, dumb, dumb


:) - tell us how you really feel, Chuck!

Nice post. I think he's trying to come up with one of those (and forgive me in advance) "outside the box" ideas for marketing NU football. And yes, a one-time game at Wrigley would get us tons of promotion that we wouldn't have otherwise ... but as you point out, there are a host of negatives and like most of those "OTB" ideas (eew, I can't stand even saying it after years of meetings with managers who loved the phrase), it sounds interesting at first but less likable the more you look into it.

I agree and hope we don't do it - but it appears to be a big push. I'd rather us do what we can to improve the gameday experience at Dyche. And to be honest, they've done a lot in the last decade - there are just forces working here (that we've been over many times on the list) that hurt our attendance.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From Martinitis at aol.com  Tue Jun 30 01:34:42 2009
From: Martinitis at aol.com (Martinitis@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 30 01:35:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] GO 2009 CATS
Message-ID: <c3a.54e868fd.377b0c02@aol.com>

As stated before, 4-0 vs Miami, Towson, Syracuse and  EMU is essential.
 
I realize this is a rebuilding year, but I just took a good look at the  
records of our opposition for this coming season.  Unlike previous years  when 
we have had very tough schedule rankings, this year the combined record of  
our 12 opponents is 66-83  Could be a very good year  
boys.....................
 
 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jun 30 03:02:33 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jun 30 03:02:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] GO 2009 CATS
References: <c3a.54e868fd.377b0c02@aol.com>
Message-ID: <41C006090DF0435F903D13CA50261D83@DennisMachine>

> I realize this is a rebuilding year

No, it isn't.  We have too many returning starters to use that term.

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jun 30 08:49:34 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Jun 30 08:49:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Dumb, dumb, dumb
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I share Ozzie's view of Wrigley, but that's the reason it will work.

Like it or not, we live in an event culture.  Phillips is right.  NU v.
Anybody in Wrigley in November is going to be a packed house.  The big
things that are right about it outweigh all of the wrong things that you
have listed.  

1. Wrigley = Chicago.  As long as NU is playing somebody other than ND
or Illinois, the equation becomes NU = Chicago.

2. Wrigley + football = nostalgia = lots of free publicity for NU.  The
return of football to Wrigley will get tied to the resurgence of
football at NU.  It is an irresistible story that will remind a lot of
people who haven't been paying attention that NU is playing good
football these days.

3. Wrigley = North Side  Fitz = South Side.  This is also an
irresistible story.  Hometown kid makes good.  Tragic fate becomes
destiny.  NU and Fitz make history again.  It sends the message to every
Chicago kid that NU (not ND or Ill) is the place where smart football
players can change their lives.  It also sets Fitz apart (like Joe Pa)
as a special guy that kids should think about playing for.

I hope it happens.   

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 5:55 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Dumb, dumb, dumb

Jim Phillips keeps pursuing the idiotic 'game at wrigley' idea.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-3-611/Northwestern-continues-to-expl
ore-Wrigley-game.html

I can think of many reasons not to do this:

- Awful parking (and my parking pass will do me no good here, AND be
useful for one fewer game in Evanston)

- Our fans likely outnumbered by opposing fans (very likely liquored-up
after a few hours in wrigleyville)

- Surrounding neighborhood of bars and taverns is fitting for a pro
venue, but the college game should be surrounded by academic buildings
and sun-dappled trees

- Seats at Wrigley bound to have worse sight-lines than prime seats at
Dyche

- Crumbling concrete. inadequate bathrooms and?concessions at Wrigley

- Probably charge more for the game, especially with the new Cub buyers
taking on all sorts of debt.? Weren't the Blackhawk tickets $100 and up
?

And quite a few more come to mind.? Also, some of us South-siders were
raised to never venture north of North Avenue...(grin)

Hockey on a baseball field in mid-Winter is a great attraction -
Football on a baseball field in mid-November is a marriage made in
hell.? Don't forget how the infield can mess up several aspects of the
football game.

And won't the Wrigley neighbors, who try and limit all usage there
(night games, concerts), try and veto this idea ?

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
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From marks83588 at aol.com  Tue Jun 30 09:30:00 2009
From: marks83588 at aol.com (marks83588@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 30 09:30:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] GO 2009 CATS
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Maybe rebuilding is the wrong term, as you say we have lots of starters back. However, losing the starting QB, feature RB, and top 3 WR's is going to be tough......the planets have to line up for the NU offense to be as good as it was last year, and it wasn't a juggernaught in 2008..........


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 4:02 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] GO 2009 CATS


> I realize this is a rebuilding year?
?
No, it isn't. We have too many returning starters to use that term.?
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Jun 30 09:49:22 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 30 09:49:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Dumb, dumb, dumb
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I think Jeff has it right.  Wrigley is an iconic place.  This  would 
probably even make a small dent in the NY Metro area media market, which  is 
notoriously indifferent to college gridiron.
 
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 30 10:48:07 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Tue Jun 30 10:48:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Dumb, dumb, dumb
Message-ID: <18541212.1246376887132.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

While I understand why some people would object to the Wrigley proposal, I can think of one game in particular where there is every reason to play the game at Wrigley and no good reason to play it in Evanston.

I'm referring to the scheduled November 26, 2011 home game against Rice. A nonconference game. The last game of the season. During Thanksgiving break. When no students will be on campus. 

If this game against Rice is played in Evanston, it will set a record for the worst home game attendance in NU history. On the other hand, if it is played at Wrigley, there will be a big crowd, and it will be big news.

Jim B.



-----Original Message-----
>From: cherron604@aol.com
>Sent: Jun 29, 2009 2:55 PM
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Dumb, dumb, dumb
>
>Jim Phillips keeps pursuing the idiotic 'game at wrigley' idea.
>
>http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-3-611/Northwestern-continues-to-explore-Wrigley-game.html
>
>I can think of many reasons not to do this:
>
>- Awful parking (and my parking pass will do me no good here, AND be useful for one fewer game in Evanston)
>
>- Our fans likely outnumbered by opposing fans (very likely liquored-up after a few hours in wrigleyville)
>
>- Surrounding neighborhood of bars and taverns is fitting for a pro venue, but the college game should be surrounded by academic buildings and sun-dappled trees
>
>- Seats at Wrigley bound to have worse sight-lines than prime seats at Dyche
>
>- Crumbling concrete. inadequate bathrooms and?concessions at Wrigley
>
>- Probably charge more for the game, especially with the new Cub buyers taking on all sorts of debt.? Weren't the Blackhawk tickets $100 and up ?
>
>And quite a few more come to mind.? Also, some of us South-siders were raised to never venture north of North Avenue...(grin)
>
>Hockey on a baseball field in mid-Winter is a great attraction - Football on a baseball field in mid-November is a marriage made in hell.? Don't forget how the infield can mess up several aspects of the football game.
>
>And won't the Wrigley neighbors, who try and limit all usage there (night games, concerts), try and veto this idea ?
>
>Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jun 30 11:54:48 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 30 11:55:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Dumb, dumb, dumb
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One wonders - will the season ticket base be asked about this ?? I don't recall them asking when the Ohio State home game was moved to Cleveland (and I think we paid extra for that game, beyond the season ticket cost).? 

I still think that the political part (wrigleyville's alderman (Tunney ?), Daley) might be the trickiest - an interesting test for Phillips, as NU's relationship with Evanston is brutal (I am stunned they ever allow us to play night games).? If we can't get along with Evanston (which we essentially created), can we expect to have any better luck with Chicago, which either despises us as elitist, or ignores us completely ?? (As others have mentioned, forays into the city, with our south side coach, might tend to strengthen our position as 'Chicago's Team')? Will the residents of wrigleyville veto the idea (based on NU's suburban/elitist status ?)? I can already picture the Sun-Times headline 'Wrigleyville to NU - Stay in Evanston !'? Or will the tavern owners lobby harder to get the game - probably lobbying for a 2:30 start, with ample drinking before and after ?? Will Daley have leased 'Special Events Rights' to some company in Spain for 99 years ?

I do like Rice as an opponent - they can't possibly outnumber us, and their fans tend to be courteous and well-behaved.?? Could we fill up the stadium with Rice, however ??? Would a less-than-full Wrigley be worse, image-wise, than a 2/3 empty Dyche ?? In?light of the Goph's decision?not to serve liquor at their new stadium, would we allow beer sales at the game ?? Would we even be given a choice in the matter ?? I seem to recall beer sales at the Soldier Field games, but I might be wrong.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85??? 

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, Jun 30, 2009 10:48 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Dumb, dumb, dumb



While I understand why some people would object to the Wrigley proposal, I can 
think of one game in particular where there is every reason to play the game at 
Wrigley and no good reason to play it in Evanston.

I'm referring to the scheduled November 26, 2011 home game against Rice. A 
nonconference game. The last game of the season. During Thanksgiving break. When 
no students will be on campus. 

If this game against Rice is played in Evanston, it will set a record for the 
worst home game attendance in NU history. On the other hand, if it is played at 
Wrigley, there will be a big crowd, and it will be big news.

Jim B.



-----Original Message-----
>From: cherron604@aol.com
>Sent: Jun 29, 2009 2:55 PM
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Dumb, dumb, dumb
>
>Jim Phillips keeps pursuing the idiotic 'game at wrigley' idea.
>
>http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-3-611/Northwestern-continues-to-explore-Wrigley-game.html
>
>I can think of many reasons not to do this:
>
>- Awful parking (and my parking pass will do me no good here, AND be useful for 
one fewer game in Evanston)
>
>- Our fans likely outnumbered by opposing fans (very likely liquored-up after a 
few hours in wrigleyville)
>
>- Surrounding neighborhood of bars and taverns is fitting for a pro venue, but 
the college game should be surrounded by academic buildings and sun-dappled 
trees
>
>- Seats at Wrigley bound to have worse sight-lines than prime seats at Dyche
>
>- Crumbling concrete. inadequate bathrooms and?concessions at Wrigley
>
>- Probably charge more for the game, especially with the new Cub buyers taking 
on all sorts of debt.? Weren't the Blackhawk tickets $100 and up ?
>
>And quite a few more come to mind.? Also, some of us South-siders were raised 
to never venture north of North Avenue...(grin)
>
>Hockey on a baseball field in mid-Winter is a great attraction - Football on a 
baseball field in mid-November is a marriage made in hell.? Don't forget how the 
infield can mess up several aspects of the football game.
>
>And won
't the Wrigley neighbors, who try and limit all usage there (night 
games, concerts), try and veto this idea ?
>
>Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
>_______________________________________________
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