[NU Sports] Surs

Fri Jan 2 22:34:13 CST 2009

Paul,

I think that John's suggestion that you lay of the hate-filled rag (NY Times) and read a broader range of thoughtful publications such as The Weekly Standard (Wall Street Journal's editorial page, National Review, or even Fox News if you don't mind learning about missing newlyweds) would do you a world of good.  You have made some far worse slurs of groups over the years on this list, but these don't generate any controversy because Caucasians in Red States are not protected by the PC police and conservatives have to learn to just inwardly laugh at such narrow-mindedness from liberals.

It was only a few months ago that you criticized Southerners based on a long-ago trip to NC during your younger days.

Far worse was the most hateful and ignorant statement I've ever heard from an 'educated' person - that you were rooting against Idaho sports teams because the state is full of white supremecists.  What if someone had written that they rooted against New York sports teams because the city is full of _______ (fill in the blank with some negative stereotype that you saw on TV).  If you can't get out of our coastal cities, at least try to learn a bit about our country.

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Sent: Fri 1/2/2009 4:20 PM
To: johnadeg at comcast.net; MHRJGScott at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways

 I was going to do a general post on the conspicuous abundance of empty seats at virtually every bowl--other than the Granddaddy in Pasadena that I have seen on the tube the past 10 days., but, as usual, my fellow Listers have gotten ahead of the "curve".? Clearly, the economy is impacting on the attendance in a number of venues.? This phenomenon has also surfaced with respect to a couple of the NFL "Wild Card" games this weekend.? Ziggy Wolf, the Vikings owner, had to buy up several thousand unsold seats, so that there wouldn't be a television blackout in the Twin Cities, and I know that one of the other games (I think the Ravens at Dolphins.) may also not be a sell-out.

Paul Levinson

P.S.:? John:? Your slur of Detroit and its residents (and I must confess, having been there a couple of times, it is far from my favorite city) is really outrageous.? There is a racial tinge to your comment that I find offensive, and I would guess I am not alone.? As we roll into the New Year, and await the Inaguration of our first African-American President with great hope and expectations, why don't you can the cant.

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From: johnadeg at comcast.net
To: MHRJGScott at aol.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways

Watching the MSU-Georgia game, it looked to me like the MSU crowd was pretty
small, certainly in comparison to the Georgia crowd.  My guess is that it
reflects the non existent Michigan economy.  As The Weekly Standard pointed out,
Detroit, except for not having goats wandering the streets, is like a third
world country. 

John DeGroat

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com
> I sent this to him:
> 
> Mike Schulze _Info at outbackbowl.com_ (mailto:Info at outbackbowl.com)
> 
> any other abuse will be welcome
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/2/2009 11:50:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> cherron604 at aol.com writes:
>
> I wonder  if the Outback Bowl people are kicking themselves ?
>
> 1 - We beat Iowa on  the field
>
> 2 - We beat Iowa in the standings
>
> 3 - The Alamo Bowl  beat the Outback Bowl in attendance, 55,986 to
> 55,117?(impressive considering  they have a better date, Jan 1 vs. Dec 29, and

> the fact
> that it is much easier  to fly into Tampa than into San Antonio)
>
> 4 - Since our football rebirth  in 1995, the Outback Bowl has been averaging
> 61,864.? This year's attendance  of 55,117 was DOWN almost 11%.? During the
> same period, the Alamo Bowl has  averaged 60,677.? This year's attendance of
> 55,986 was down only 7.7%? (thanks  to the sour economy)
>
> 5 - Both bowls exhibit wide swings in attendance,  the Alamo relating to the
> presence of a Texas team, or Michigan/Penn  State/Ohio State.? Without one of
> these teams, the Alamo averages 56,544.? Our  attendance of 55,986 was down
> only 1% from this 'non-Texas, non-Big Ten giant'  attendance.?
>
> The Outback looks similar with Florida, Michigan, Penn  State and Ohio
> State.? Without one of these teams, the Outback averages  57,579.? This year's

> attendance was down almost 4.3% from the 'non-Florida,  non-Big Ten giant'
> average
>
> Unfortunately, the 6th way would have been  to win our game, but as many have
> pointed out, our match-up was significantly  worse than theirs.? And the?Bowl
> committees don't really care about those kind  of issues.
>
> I have not seen the TV ratings for the Outback bowl, but it  is probably not
> appropriate to compare ratings for a Monday night event with  ratings for a
> New Years Day morning event.
>
> Though I don't think the  data exists, it would be interesting to compare the
> disposable incomes of the  two fan bases, and to compare the average amount
> spent?by the Iowa and NU fans  in the two host cities.
>
> Chuck Herron?? Tech  '85
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