From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  1 11:37:49 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Jan  1 11:37:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Hangover Bowl ...
Message-ID: <304944.11465.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yawn. Flipped over after PSU's band went by in the Rose Parade and it looks like Iowa's off to a healthy lead in Tampa. Sure hope the bowl folks sold their tickets because once the top of the hour comes, their blowout of UNRANKED teams won't be much competition for Orlando and Hockey in Wrigley.

So if this holds, the two snubs of NU by the Outback Bowl folk will be two of the only three Hangover Bowls decided by more than 10 points since 2000. Serves 'em right for passing on the Cats!

Iowa hanging on would also mean the Big Ten has won 4 of the last 7 Hangover Bowls vs. the SEC. Sadly, not expecting the Big Ten's luck to continue in Orlando (where we have won 4 in a row and 7 of the last 10 - that that SEC! :) ).

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Thu Jan  1 11:45:15 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu Jan  1 11:45:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Hangover Bowl ...
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By the way, NUMB will be performing between periods in the Winter Classic
(noon CT, NBC) - unknown if they will be shown on TV or not but it should be
some good publicity.

Jonathan

On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:37 AM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Yawn. Flipped over after PSU's band went by in the Rose Parade and it looks
> like Iowa's off to a healthy lead in Tampa. Sure hope the bowl folks sold
> their tickets because once the top of the hour comes, their blowout of
> UNRANKED teams won't be much competition for Orlando and Hockey in Wrigley.
>
> So if this holds, the two snubs of NU by the Outback Bowl folk will be two
> of the only three Hangover Bowls decided by more than 10 points since 2000.
> Serves 'em right for passing on the Cats!
>
> Iowa hanging on would also mean the Big Ten has won 4 of the last 7
> Hangover Bowls vs. the SEC. Sadly, not expecting the Big Ten's luck to
> continue in Orlando (where we have won 4 in a row and 7 of the last 10 -
> that that SEC! :) ).
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
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> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
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>
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From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  1 13:20:01 2009
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Thu Jan  1 13:20:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Band at Wrigley Field
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I know there's football on but I have been watching the Blackhawks beat up on the Red Wings at Wrigley and I just saw the band out there, presumably playing between periods.  Pretty cool, though I would have liked to have seen mention made of it, give the University a little press.

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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Thu Jan  1 13:43:47 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  1 13:44:33 2009
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] Double Misery
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Double Misery


?? I'm not ready to talk about Monday night, except thanks to TBNG and enthusiastic guests in attendance at my bowl party, including my dog who likes attention, and was a pain in the ass with muchies all over ythe place.
?? I went to see NU-PSU yesterday, and both teams were flat and out-of-synch in the first half.? Penn St. killed us on the boards; very disappointing in that it was the worst performance I've seen rebounding this season.? When PSU stopped turning the ball over so much, we were toast.
?? I sat close to the NU bench; believe me, BC was VERY upset.? Moore also was emotional; he had folks up from Doylestown, Pa. to see him.? Otherwise, the rest of 'em were as MHRJG described; just kind of sitting there.
?? And to top it off, Iowa is hammering S. Carolina.? Blah.? Thank God for the Phillies.

???????????? Regardless,??? GO CATS!!!????????? Eric


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that second half collapse was sad, but what made me angry was that it did  
not make BC or the players angry, they were playing without passion, maybe we  
need to get Fitz in there.
 
 
In a message dated 12/31/2008 2:11:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tbng@comcast.net writes:

. . .  the more we lose basketball games.  That old bugaboo resurfaced today 
in  State College before an unenthusiastic, Rose Bowl-riddled crowd.  We got  
flat-out hammered on the boards by a lower-level Big 10 team.  Even Penn  
State's star guard pulled down twelve boards, likely more than our entire  front 

line.  Sad to say, but Crowley is proving useless.  Maybe  he'll contribute 
someday, but right now he can't score, rebound, or play  defense.  His only big 
numbers are in his foul totals.  Shurna  looked very good today, but unless he, 
Coble, and Moore score big, we'll have  a tough time winning.  This loss does 
not bode well for the Mudville Five  for the remainder of the  season.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  1 16:08:25 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Jan  1 16:08:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKING PICKS - Bowl pool update
Message-ID: <412533.45650.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well, Nebraska just stopped Clemson, so I think we can call the only relatively close game of the day so far. 

Yawn for the Hangover Bowl - shoulda been NU in there to beat up on Spurrier! And a good fight by Sparty, but no real surprise. This sucks. Either go back to the grand bowl tradition or get a playoff. Heck, I'd even support Blackledge's "Plus 1" idea they were talking about to fill time at the end of the Citrus where you play five BCS games on Dec. 31 or Jan. 1 unseeded and then have a plus-one playoff later just to get some EXCITEMENT back into January 1.

The Rose Bowl has tried more than anyone and held on to much of their tradition (having a real Big Ten champ vs. Pac 10 champ game today will help), but really, look at what's happened to the Orange Bowl or Sugar Bowl. These USED to be big games that meant something. These USED to be big games. Now it's Cincy and Va Tech tonig... zzzzzzzz. And another SEC-Buster slaughter snoozer tomorrow? Yawn.

Oh well, a new year and the same rant - the BCS is the worst of both worlds. No more great bowl tradition. No real playoff or champ. Just waaaay too many sponsor-fests in front of half-empty stadiums with only a few games that are competitive and even fewer that mean something. This sucks.

Anyway, between rooting for the Big Ten and wishing for Bowl Days gone by when we'd still have an afternoon of the Fiesta, Rose, Sugar and Orange in front of us, I updated the bowl pool picks.

So with the five B(C)S Bowls and late Liberty/Cotton bowls left, here's where things stand ...

9-4 > Ivars Embrekts, Stephen Truog

8-5 > Ray Stahl, Bob Waldele, James Wall, Alan Wolfson

7-6 > John Hodges, Brian Winkler, Marilyn Zilka

6-7 > Jim Bendat, Jim Leonard, Trey McAdams, Carl Rossi, Eric Steffe, Bruce Taylor, Brad Wilson, Peg Wolfe

5-8 > Ace McInturff

4-9 > Mark Ament

2-11 > Kelly Sevilla

Lots left to play, though, so we'll see how things shake out.

Well, no matter how much the B(C)S tries to ruin things, there still is nothing like Pasadena on New Year's afternoon. I'm getting goosebumps as they kick off now. Such an amazing and special setting. GO PSU!!!

GO CATS!!!
-Stephen

PS - Not even that crappy SC band murdering the national anthem can ruin the Rose Bowl!

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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Thu Jan  1 20:07:36 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Jan  1 20:07:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Hangover Bowl ...
Message-ID: <010220090207.26444.495D76E800047ACC0000674C2215551724090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

My wife, a Penn State Alum, was at the game which at least saved her from having to listen to Bret M., the biggest south end of a horse walking north in broadcasting.   If Keeshon Johnson had stopped fast in his tracks it would have taken ten proctologists to extricate Bret's head.  Leave it to Bret to say to Johnson, "they sure remember you in Evanston".

John DeGroat


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> Yawn. Flipped over after PSU's band went by in the Rose Parade and it looks like 
> Iowa's off to a healthy lead in Tampa. Sure hope the bowl folks sold their 
> tickets because once the top of the hour comes, their blowout of UNRANKED teams 
> won't be much competition for Orlando and Hockey in Wrigley.
> 
> So if this holds, the two snubs of NU by the Outback Bowl folk will be two of 
> the only three Hangover Bowls decided by more than 10 points since 2000. Serves 
> 'em right for passing on the Cats!
> 
> Iowa hanging on would also mean the Big Ten has won 4 of the last 7 Hangover 
> Bowls vs. the SEC. Sadly, not expecting the Big Ten's luck to continue in 
> Orlando (where we have won 4 in a row and 7 of the last 10 - that that SEC! :) 
> ).
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
> 
> 
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  1 21:10:28 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu Jan  1 21:10:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] carmody's temper
Message-ID: <717431.70435.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Roy's "New York" comment is correct, though I have had personal experience with what happens when BC gets really angry, and believe me he can (almost always in private, though). But much better a calm BC than ranting loony like O'Neill. (BC can also be quite funny and has a superb sense of humor.)

As for the PSU game, seems to me NU rushed shots and did not run the offense well enough over the last 15 minutes. and should have played more 1-3-1 zone than man defense to help clamp down the PSU 3's. I was unimpressed with Rowley, but he's still a baby and learning, let's give him some time. Coble needs to play more than one half, though. 

bw


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From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 08:22:10 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  2 08:22:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Mizzou underwhelms, NU sells well
Message-ID: <8CB3AFCA2959D76-125C-1937@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com>

NU sells out its allotment easily

http://www.southtownstar.com/sports/1354090,123008sptalamonbk.article

Columbia paper reports Mizzou sold only 6,000 of its 11,000 alloted tickets

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/12/29/missouri-ends-season-unfulfilled-promise/

The TV ratings appear to have been very good

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/alamo_bowl/Alamo_Bowl_draws_72_million_viewers.html

That we should out-sell Missouri, and give them a very entertaining, well-watched game should bode well for us in the future.? If nothing else, I would imagine we should have an excellent relationship with San Antonio going forward.

It will be interesting to see Outback Bowl attendance data...though I imagine Iowa would do fine.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85?
From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Jan  2 08:43:53 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri Jan  2 08:45:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] end of column on 4 MSU grid alums in trouble
Message-ID: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A65F6B4F78B@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01022009/sports/moresports/media_enabled_charles_146796.htm?&page=0

From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 09:03:03 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  2 09:03:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rashidi Wheeler
Message-ID: <8CB3B02585C40E4-6F4-87@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com>


Rare good news from Springfield - Rashidi Wheeler law takes effect in Illinois

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-ap-il-newlaws-health,0,4625574.story

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 09:09:49 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  2 09:10:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Mizzou underwhelms, NU sells well
Message-ID: <c6e.32e8301a.368f883d@aol.com>

55,000 and it was an Iowa crowd although it may have been some local people  
booing Steve Superior, Ray James holds 65,000, we could have beat SC easy.
 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2009 9:22:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cherron604@aol.com writes:

Outback  Bowl attendance data

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 10:49:43 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  2 10:49:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
Message-ID: <8CB3B113F0880E4-6F4-5AF@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com>

I wonder if the Outback Bowl people are kicking themselves ?

1 - We beat Iowa on the field

2 - We beat Iowa in the standings

3 - The Alamo Bowl beat the Outback Bowl in attendance, 55,986 to 55,117?(impressive considering they have a better date, Jan 1 vs. Dec 29, and the fact that it is much easier to fly into Tampa than into San Antonio)

4 - Since our football rebirth in 1995, the Outback Bowl has been averaging 61,864.? This year's attendance of 55,117 was DOWN almost 11%.? During the same period, the Alamo Bowl has averaged 60,677.? This year's attendance of 55,986 was down only 7.7%? (thanks to the sour economy)

5 - Both bowls exhibit wide swings in attendance, the Alamo relating to the presence of a Texas team, or Michigan/Penn State/Ohio State.? Without one of these teams, the Alamo averages 56,544.? Our attendance of 55,986 was down only 1% from this 'non-Texas, non-Big Ten giant' attendance.? 

The Outback looks similar with Florida, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State.? Without one of these teams, the Outback averages 57,579.? This year's attendance was down almost 4.3% from the 'non-Florida, non-Big Ten giant' average

Unfortunately, the 6th way would have been to win our game, but as many have pointed out, our match-up was significantly worse than theirs.? And the?Bowl committees don't really care about those kind of issues.

I have not seen the TV ratings for the Outback bowl, but it is probably not appropriate to compare ratings for a Monday night event with ratings for a New Years Day morning event.

Though I don't think the data exists, it would be interesting to compare the disposable incomes of the two fan bases, and to compare the average amount spent?by the Iowa and NU fans in the two host cities.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Fri Jan  2 10:53:30 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Fri Jan  2 10:53:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
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Salute to Mr. Herron for this insightful, thoughtful analysis. 

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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways

I wonder if the Outback Bowl people are kicking themselves ?

1 - We beat Iowa on the field

2 - We beat Iowa in the standings

3 - The Alamo Bowl beat the Outback Bowl in attendance, 55,986 to
55,117?(impressive considering they have a better date, Jan 1 vs. Dec
29, and the fact that it is much easier to fly into Tampa than into San
Antonio)

4 - Since our football rebirth in 1995, the Outback Bowl has been
averaging 61,864.? This year's attendance of 55,117 was DOWN almost
11%.? During the same period, the Alamo Bowl has averaged 60,677.? This
year's attendance of 55,986 was down only 7.7%? (thanks to the sour
economy)

5 - Both bowls exhibit wide swings in attendance, the Alamo relating to
the presence of a Texas team, or Michigan/Penn State/Ohio State.?
Without one of these teams, the Alamo averages 56,544.? Our attendance
of 55,986 was down only 1% from this 'non-Texas, non-Big Ten giant'
attendance.? 

The Outback looks similar with Florida, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio
State.? Without one of these teams, the Outback averages 57,579.? This
year's attendance was down almost 4.3% from the 'non-Florida, non-Big
Ten giant' average

Unfortunately, the 6th way would have been to win our game, but as many
have pointed out, our match-up was significantly worse than theirs.? And
the?Bowl committees don't really care about those kind of issues.

I have not seen the TV ratings for the Outback bowl, but it is probably
not appropriate to compare ratings for a Monday night event with ratings
for a New Years Day morning event.

Though I don't think the data exists, it would be interesting to compare
the disposable incomes of the two fan bases, and to compare the average
amount spent?by the Iowa and NU fans in the two host cities.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 11:03:05 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Jan  2 11:03:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
In-Reply-To: <8CB3B113F0880E4-6F4-5AF@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <983827.99563.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Serves the Hangover Bowl folks right for snubbing us! The Citrus Bowl didn't even top 60,000 yesterday (lots of empty seats in the Georgia upper deck it looked like from one shot).

Of course, you never know with official attendance figures. The official box has Orange Bowl attendance at 73,000 and from the shots of the orange upper and spotted orange lower bowls (and they weren't all gobblers), they must have counted every person twice.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Jan  2 11:03:25 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Jan  2 11:03:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
In-Reply-To: <8CB3B113F0880E4-6F4-5AF@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com> from
	"cherron604@aol.com" at Jan 02, 2009 11:49:43 AM
Message-ID: <200901021703.n02H3PrQ025738@romaine.tssi.com>

Great analysis, we need to make sure it gets to our AD.

Unfortunately, I suspect Iowa may beat Northwestern in one other category,
the final polls.
--
Mike Nolan

> I wonder if the Outback Bowl people are kicking themselves ?
> 
> 1 - We beat Iowa on the field
> 
> 2 - We beat Iowa in the standings
> 
> 3 - The Alamo Bowl beat the Outback Bowl in attendance, 55,986 to 55,117?(impressive considering they have a better date, Jan 1 vs. Dec 29, and the fact that it is much easier to fly into Tampa than into San Antonio)
> 
> 4 - Since our football rebirth in 1995, the Outback Bowl has been averaging 61,864.? This year's attendance of 55,117 was DOWN almost 11%.? During the same period, the Alamo Bowl has averaged 60,677.? This year's attendance of 55,986 was down only 7.7%? (thanks to the sour economy)
> 
> 5 - Both bowls exhibit wide swings in attendance, the Alamo relating to the presence of a Texas team, or Michigan/Penn State/Ohio State.? Without one of these teams, the Alamo averages 56,544.? Our attendance of 55,986 was down only 1% from this 'non-Texas, non-Big Ten giant' attendance.? 
> 
> The Outback looks similar with Florida, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State.? Without one of these teams, the Outback averages 57,579.? This year's attendance was down almost 4.3% from the 'non-Florida, non-Big Ten giant' average
> 
> Unfortunately, the 6th way would have been to win our game, but as many have pointed out, our match-up was significantly worse than theirs.? And the?Bowl committees don't really care about those kind of issues.
> 
> I have not seen the TV ratings for the Outback bowl, but it is probably not appropriate to compare ratings for a Monday night event with ratings for a New Years Day morning event.
> 
> Though I don't think the data exists, it would be interesting to compare the disposable incomes of the two fan bases, and to compare the average amount spent?by the Iowa and NU fans in the two host cities.
> 
> Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 11:20:49 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  2 11:21:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
Message-ID: <bd6.45cab599.368fa6f1@aol.com>

I sent this to him:
 
Mike Schulze _Info@outbackbowl.com_ (mailto:Info@outbackbowl.com) 
 
any other abuse will be welcome
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2009 11:50:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cherron604@aol.com writes:

I wonder  if the Outback Bowl people are kicking themselves ?

1 - We beat Iowa on  the field

2 - We beat Iowa in the standings

3 - The Alamo Bowl  beat the Outback Bowl in attendance, 55,986 to 
55,117?(impressive considering  they have a better date, Jan 1 vs. Dec 29, and the fact 
that it is much easier  to fly into Tampa than into San Antonio)

4 - Since our football rebirth  in 1995, the Outback Bowl has been averaging 
61,864.? This year's attendance  of 55,117 was DOWN almost 11%.? During the 
same period, the Alamo Bowl has  averaged 60,677.? This year's attendance of 
55,986 was down only 7.7%? (thanks  to the sour economy)

5 - Both bowls exhibit wide swings in attendance,  the Alamo relating to the 
presence of a Texas team, or Michigan/Penn  State/Ohio State.? Without one of 
these teams, the Alamo averages 56,544.? Our  attendance of 55,986 was down 
only 1% from this 'non-Texas, non-Big Ten giant'  attendance.? 

The Outback looks similar with Florida, Michigan, Penn  State and Ohio 
State.? Without one of these teams, the Outback averages  57,579.? This year's 
attendance was down almost 4.3% from the 'non-Florida,  non-Big Ten giant' average

Unfortunately, the 6th way would have been  to win our game, but as many have 
pointed out, our match-up was significantly  worse than theirs.? And the?Bowl 
committees don't really care about those kind  of issues.

I have not seen the TV ratings for the Outback bowl, but it  is probably not 
appropriate to compare ratings for a Monday night event with  ratings for a 
New Years Day morning event.

Though I don't think the  data exists, it would be interesting to compare the 
disposable incomes of the  two fan bases, and to compare the average amount 
spent?by the Iowa and NU fans  in the two host cities.

Chuck Herron?? Tech  '85
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Jan  2 11:59:26 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan  2 11:59:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
Message-ID: <010220091759.12980.495E55FE00021B8A000032B42215553894090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Watching the MSU-Georgia game, it looked to me like the MSU crowd was pretty small, certainly in comparison to the Georgia crowd.  My guess is that it reflects the non existent Michigan economy.  As The Weekly Standard pointed out, Detroit, except for not having goats wandering the streets, is like a third world country.  

John DeGroat


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> I sent this to him:
>  
> Mike Schulze _Info@outbackbowl.com_ (mailto:Info@outbackbowl.com) 
>  
> any other abuse will be welcome
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/2/2009 11:50:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> cherron604@aol.com writes:
> 
> I wonder  if the Outback Bowl people are kicking themselves ?
> 
> 1 - We beat Iowa on  the field
> 
> 2 - We beat Iowa in the standings
> 
> 3 - The Alamo Bowl  beat the Outback Bowl in attendance, 55,986 to 
> 55,117?(impressive considering  they have a better date, Jan 1 vs. Dec 29, and 
> the fact 
> that it is much easier  to fly into Tampa than into San Antonio)
> 
> 4 - Since our football rebirth  in 1995, the Outback Bowl has been averaging 
> 61,864.? This year's attendance  of 55,117 was DOWN almost 11%.? During the 
> same period, the Alamo Bowl has  averaged 60,677.? This year's attendance of 
> 55,986 was down only 7.7%? (thanks  to the sour economy)
> 
> 5 - Both bowls exhibit wide swings in attendance,  the Alamo relating to the 
> presence of a Texas team, or Michigan/Penn  State/Ohio State.? Without one of 
> these teams, the Alamo averages 56,544.? Our  attendance of 55,986 was down 
> only 1% from this 'non-Texas, non-Big Ten giant'  attendance.? 
> 
> The Outback looks similar with Florida, Michigan, Penn  State and Ohio 
> State.? Without one of these teams, the Outback averages  57,579.? This year's 
> attendance was down almost 4.3% from the 'non-Florida,  non-Big Ten giant' 
> average
> 
> Unfortunately, the 6th way would have been  to win our game, but as many have 
> pointed out, our match-up was significantly  worse than theirs.? And the?Bowl 
> committees don't really care about those kind  of issues.
> 
> I have not seen the TV ratings for the Outback bowl, but it  is probably not 
> appropriate to compare ratings for a Monday night event with  ratings for a 
> New Years Day morning event.
> 
> Though I don't think the  data exists, it would be interesting to compare the 
> disposable incomes of the  two fan bases, and to compare the average amount 
> spent?by the Iowa and NU fans  in the two host cities.
> 
> Chuck Herron?? Tech  '85
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Fri Jan  2 12:16:19 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Fri Jan  2 12:16:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
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On behalf of those who were in San Antonio and wondered whether Mr.
DeGroat was on scene, the note below offers evidence again of why we
wished we'd had the opportunity to become better acquainted. Sorry you
weren't there ...

Go Wildcats -- Alan 

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways

Watching the MSU-Georgia game, it looked to me like the MSU crowd was
pretty small, certainly in comparison to the Georgia crowd.  My guess is
that it reflects the non existent Michigan economy.  As The Weekly
Standard pointed out, Detroit, except for not having goats wandering the
streets, is like a third world country.  

John DeGroat


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> I sent this to him:
>  
> Mike Schulze _Info@outbackbowl.com_ (mailto:Info@outbackbowl.com)
>  
> any other abuse will be welcome
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/2/2009 11:50:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> cherron604@aol.com writes:
> 
> I wonder  if the Outback Bowl people are kicking themselves ?
> 
> 1 - We beat Iowa on  the field
> 
> 2 - We beat Iowa in the standings
> 
> 3 - The Alamo Bowl  beat the Outback Bowl in attendance, 55,986 to 
> 55,117?(impressive considering  they have a better date, Jan 1 vs. Dec

> 29, and the fact that it is much easier  to fly into Tampa than into 
> San Antonio)
> 
> 4 - Since our football rebirth  in 1995, the Outback Bowl has been 
> averaging 61,864.? This year's attendance  of 55,117 was DOWN almost 
> 11%.? During the same period, the Alamo Bowl has  averaged 60,677.? 
> This year's attendance of
> 55,986 was down only 7.7%? (thanks  to the sour economy)
> 
> 5 - Both bowls exhibit wide swings in attendance,  the Alamo relating 
> to the presence of a Texas team, or Michigan/Penn  State/Ohio State.? 
> Without one of these teams, the Alamo averages 56,544.? Our  
> attendance of 55,986 was down only 1% from this 'non-Texas, non-Big
Ten giant'  attendance.?
> 
> The Outback looks similar with Florida, Michigan, Penn  State and Ohio

> State.? Without one of these teams, the Outback averages  57,579.? 
> This year's attendance was down almost 4.3% from the 'non-Florida,
non-Big Ten giant'
> average
> 
> Unfortunately, the 6th way would have been  to win our game, but as 
> many have pointed out, our match-up was significantly  worse than 
> theirs.? And the?Bowl committees don't really care about those kind
of issues.
> 
> I have not seen the TV ratings for the Outback bowl, but it  is 
> probably not appropriate to compare ratings for a Monday night event 
> with  ratings for a New Years Day morning event.
> 
> Though I don't think the  data exists, it would be interesting to 
> compare the disposable incomes of the  two fan bases, and to compare 
> the average amount spent?by the Iowa and NU fans  in the two host
cities.
> 
> Chuck Herron?? Tech  '85
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 15:20:13 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  2 15:20:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
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 I was going to do a general post on the conspicuous abundance of empty seats at virtually every bowl--other than the Granddaddy in Pasadena that I have seen on the tube the past 10 days., but, as usual, my fellow Listers have gotten ahead of the "curve".? Clearly, the economy is impacting on the attendance in a number of venues.? This phenomenon has also surfaced with respect to a couple of the NFL "Wild Card" games this weekend.? Ziggy Wolf, the Vikings owner, had to buy up several thousand unsold seats, so that there wouldn't be a television blackout in the Twin Cities, and I know that one of the other games (I think the Ravens at Dolphins.) may also not be a sell-out.

Paul Levinson

P.S.:? John:? Your slur of Detroit and its residents (and I must confess, having been there a couple of times, it is far from my favorite city) is really outrageous.? There is a racial tinge to your comment that I find offensive, and I would guess I am not alone.? As we roll into the New Year, and await the Inaguration of our first African-American President with great hope and expectations, why don't you can the cant.


 


 

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Sent: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways










Watching the MSU-Georgia game, it looked to me like the MSU crowd was pretty 
small, certainly in comparison to the Georgia crowd.  My guess is that it 
reflects the non existent Michigan economy.  As The Weekly Standard pointed out, 
Detroit, except for not having goats wandering the streets, is like a third 
world country.  

John DeGroat


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> I sent this to him:
>  
> Mike Schulze _Info@outbackbowl.com_ (mailto:Info@outbackbowl.com) 
>  
> any other abuse will be welcome
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/2/2009 11:50:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> cherron604@aol.com writes:
> 
> I wonder  if the Outback Bowl people are kicking themselves ?
> 
> 1 - We beat Iowa on  the field
> 
> 2 - We beat Iowa in the standings
> 
> 3 - The Alamo Bowl  beat the Outback Bowl in attendance, 55,986 to 
> 55,117?(impressive considering  they have a better date, Jan 1 vs. Dec 29, and 

> the fact 
> that it is much easier  to fly into Tampa than into San Antonio)
> 
> 4 - Since our football rebirth  in 1995, the Outback Bowl has been averaging 
> 61,864.? This year's attendance  of 55,117 was DOWN almost 11%.? During the 
> same period, the Alamo Bowl has  averaged 60,677.? This year's attendance of 
> 55,986 was down only 7.7%? (thanks  to the sour economy)
> 
> 5 - Both bowls exhibit wide swings in attendance,  the Alamo relating to the 
> presence of a Texas team, or Michigan/Penn  State/Ohio State.? Without one of 
> these teams, the Alamo averages 56,544.? Our  attendance of 55,986 was down 
> only 1% from this 'non-Texas, non-Big Ten giant'  attendance.? 
> 
> The Outback looks similar with Florida, Michigan, Penn  State and Ohio 
> State.? Without one of these teams, the Outback averages  57,579.? This year's 

> attendance was down almost 4.3% from the 'non-Florida,  non-Big Ten giant' 
> average
> 
> Unfortunately, the 6th way would have been  to win our game, but as many have 
> pointed out, our match-up was significantly  worse than theirs.? And the?Bowl 
> committees don't really care about those kind  of issues.
> 
> I have not seen the TV ratings for the Outback bowl, but it  is probably not 
> appropriate to compare ratings for a Monday night event with  ratings for a 
> New Years Day morning event.
> 
> Though I don't think the  data exists, it would be interesting to compare the 
> disposable incomes of the  two fan bases, and to compare the average amount 
> spent?by the Iowa and NU fans  in the two host cities.
> 
> Chuck Herron?? Tech  '85
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Jan  2 15:26:59 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Jan  2 15:27:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE02EDF180@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I know that it is currently popular to rag on Detroit. There are certainly parts of Detroit that are in tough shape, but no worse than parts of the west side of chicago, or the bronx, or compton. Downtown Detroit, on the other hand is also very similar to most every other vibrant downtown.  The only goat I've seem recently was wandering around in Wrigleyville last october. 

Jeff

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Sent: Fri Jan 02 12:59:26 2009
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways

Watching the MSU-Georgia game, it looked to me like the MSU crowd was pretty small, certainly in comparison to the Georgia crowd.  My guess is that it reflects the non existent Michigan economy.  As The Weekly Standard pointed out, Detroit, except for not having goats wandering the streets, is like a third world country.  

John DeGroat


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> I sent this to him:
>  
> Mike Schulze _Info@outbackbowl.com_ (mailto:Info@outbackbowl.com) 
>  
> any other abuse will be welcome
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/2/2009 11:50:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> cherron604@aol.com writes:
> 
> I wonder  if the Outback Bowl people are kicking themselves ?
> 
> 1 - We beat Iowa on  the field
> 
> 2 - We beat Iowa in the standings
> 
> 3 - The Alamo Bowl  beat the Outback Bowl in attendance, 55,986 to 
> 55,117?(impressive considering  they have a better date, Jan 1 vs. Dec 29, and 
> the fact 
> that it is much easier  to fly into Tampa than into San Antonio)
> 
> 4 - Since our football rebirth  in 1995, the Outback Bowl has been averaging 
> 61,864.? This year's attendance  of 55,117 was DOWN almost 11%.? During the 
> same period, the Alamo Bowl has  averaged 60,677.? This year's attendance of 
> 55,986 was down only 7.7%? (thanks  to the sour economy)
> 
> 5 - Both bowls exhibit wide swings in attendance,  the Alamo relating to the 
> presence of a Texas team, or Michigan/Penn  State/Ohio State.? Without one of 
> these teams, the Alamo averages 56,544.? Our  attendance of 55,986 was down 
> only 1% from this 'non-Texas, non-Big Ten giant'  attendance.? 
> 
> The Outback looks similar with Florida, Michigan, Penn  State and Ohio 
> State.? Without one of these teams, the Outback averages  57,579.? This year's 
> attendance was down almost 4.3% from the 'non-Florida,  non-Big Ten giant' 
> average
> 
> Unfortunately, the 6th way would have been  to win our game, but as many have 
> pointed out, our match-up was significantly  worse than theirs.? And the?Bowl 
> committees don't really care about those kind  of issues.
> 
> I have not seen the TV ratings for the Outback bowl, but it  is probably not 
> appropriate to compare ratings for a Monday night event with  ratings for a 
> New Years Day morning event.
> 
> Though I don't think the  data exists, it would be interesting to compare the 
> disposable incomes of the  two fan bases, and to compare the average amount 
> spent?by the Iowa and NU fans  in the two host cities.
> 
> Chuck Herron?? Tech  '85
> 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Jan  2 15:27:52 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Jan  2 15:27:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
In-Reply-To: <8CB3B3708A45E19-AC8-1232@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com> from
	"neonrye@aol.com" at Jan 02, 2009 04:20:13 PM
Message-ID: <200901022127.n02LRqAK026792@romaine.tssi.com>

>  I was going to do a general post on the conspicuous abundance of empty seats at virtually every bowl--other than the Granddaddy in Pasadena that I have seen on the tube the past 10 days., but, as usual, my fellow Listers have gotten ahead of the "curve".? Clearly, the economy is impacting on the attendance in a number of venues.? 

The Cotton Bowl appears to have a pretty good crowd on hand.  And the game
is turning out to be suprisingly entertaining.
--
Mike Nolan

From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jan  2 15:58:14 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jan  2 15:58:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Slurs and other musical notations
References: <010220091759.12980.495E55FE00021B8A000032B42215553894090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
	<8CB3B3708A45E19-AC8-1232@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <7B3BF3C10FC249C6853B35791147791A@DennisMachine>

> P.S.:? John:? Your slur of Detroit and its residents (and I must confess, 
> having been there a couple of times, it is far from my favorite city) is 
> really outrageous.? There is a racial tinge to your comment that I find 
> offensive, and I would guess I am not alone.? As we roll into the New 
> Year, and await the Inaguration of our first African-American President 
> with great hope and expectations, why don't you can the cant.
>
I would suggest that you pretty much were alone in seeing something that 
isn't there. 

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 16:54:53 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Jan  2 16:55:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
In-Reply-To: <200901022127.n02LRqAK026792@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <777531.63017.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> The Cotton Bowl appears to have a pretty good crowd on
> hand.  And the game

I think it had a couple bonuses - TWO nearby teams and the historic part about being the last in that stadium - to help it along. It will be interesting to see if the Cotton can push to regain its top-tier status with the new stadium in Big D. You'd have to think that Orlando, San Diego, Atlanta and Dallas are gonna be pretty competitive to up their status in the coming bowl negotiation rounds and all can make pretty good cases to be included among the elite bowls.

Other than the Cotton and Rose (I don't care what the figures say, there were not CLOSE to 70,000 in Miami last night), the Peach also topped 70K. The Gator and the well-traveling Husker/Clemson fans topped 60K, but that's about it in this bowl season.

Part is the economy, I agree, but part is the decaying bowl system itself. When 6-6 = bowl, it's just not special anymore. Most of the bowls have lost their tradition and meaning. Plus most of the matchups this year plain old sucked on paper and you could see all of these non-competitive games coming a mile away. But the economy will take the blame and the bowl folk won't learn.

> is turning out to be suprisingly entertaining.

All I can think when I check in for a score update is how STUPID the folks at Arkansas must feel for pushing Houston Nutt out the door. That guy can coach. And the piggies got a slimeball in return who makes Nick Saban look trustworthy.

But not good news for the Big XII folk - their defenses have been absolutely shredded this bowl season (aside from the Huskers) and Texas' only legit claim for a split title now will have to be a big win vs. OSU and a close OU win since Florida's loss to Ole Miss looks better now (still was at home, though, while SC's was at Oregon State).

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - The other NFL venue in trouble was Arizona. The theory being that most of the locals fled town for the New Year with the two bowl games in town and haven't come back yet. But they narrowly averted the Atlanta or Miami like embarassment of not supporting their team in a home playoff game (which would have been REALLY sad since it's the first one since '47 for the franchise!).

PPS - As a former Michigander, I will again say that Ford Field was the best stadium we've played a bowl game in outside of Pasadena ... and downtown Detroit was a pleasant surprise to most of us who attended the Motor City Bowl that year. Certainly not the Riverwalk, but I found it to be nicely revitalized with the two stadiums.


      

From jason at jasonsinger.com  Fri Jan  2 18:52:28 2009
From: jason at jasonsinger.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Fri Jan  2 18:52:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Slurs and other musical notations
In-Reply-To: <7B3BF3C10FC249C6853B35791147791A@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <C583F6CC.15892%jason@jasonsinger.com>

For the record, Dennis, Paul is not alone in seeing something tat in my eyes
WAS there. Not by a little bit. I have just taken to ignoring such posts
from John. But don't for a minute take my silence to mean I don't find a
good portion of his posts incendiary, incredibly pessimistic, mean-spirited
and oft-times borderline elitist and/or racist. I'm not saying he is any of
those things, but 90% of his posts are.

And I'm sure he feels not such great things about me either, which I assure
you I have no problem living with. In fact, I take it as a compliment.

Cheers!

Jason Singer SP'86


On 1/2/09 1:58 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

>> P.S.:? John:? Your slur of Detroit and its residents (and I must confess,
>> having been there a couple of times, it is far from my favorite city) is
>> really outrageous.? There is a racial tinge to your comment that I find
>> offensive, and I would guess I am not alone.? As we roll into the New
>> Year, and await the Inaguration of our first African-American President
>> with great hope and expectations, why don't you can the cant.
>> 
> I would suggest that you pretty much were alone in seeing something that
> isn't there. 
> 
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 18:54:37 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  2 18:54:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
Message-ID: <c22.51e68844.3690114d@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/2/2009 2:55:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
sjtruog@yahoo.com writes:

> Most of the bowls have lost their tradition and meaning. 

Have to agree--

When I was growing up in the 60's and 70's it was like clockwork that the 
Cotton Bowl would have Lindsey Nelson at the mike, and some team from the SW 
conference (many times Texas) on the field -then we would have the Rose Bowl with 
BT/Pac 10  and the Sugar Bowl on either NYE or NYD with Alabama, LSU  and ND 
seeming to appear multiple times--New Years' Day would be topped off in the 
evening  with the Orange Bowl with teams like Kansas, PSU, OK , and Florida --ah 
Bowl tradition, gone with the wind

Harry


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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jan  2 18:59:22 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jan  2 18:59:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Slurs and other musical notations
References: <C583F6CC.15892%jason@jasonsinger.com>
Message-ID: <01AEA97A90AF4D058C870655CBD594A5@DennisMachine>


> For the record, Dennis, Paul is not alone in seeing something tat in my 
> eyes
> WAS there. Not by a little bit. I have just taken to ignoring such posts
> from John. But don't for a minute take my silence to mean I don't find a
> good portion of his posts incendiary, incredibly pessimistic, 
> mean-spirited
> and oft-times borderline elitist and/or racist. I'm not saying he is any 
> of
> those things, but 90% of his posts are.
>
> And I'm sure he feels not such great things about me either, which I 
> assure
> you I have no problem living with. In fact, I take it as a compliment.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Jason Singer SP'86
>
If you find what John DeGroat has said on this board to be "incendiary," 
"mean-spirited" and "borderline elitist and/or racist," you don't know one 
person who truly fits those terms.  I suggest that elitism and 
hypersensitivity exists elsewhere here.

From jason at jasonsinger.com  Fri Jan  2 19:14:33 2009
From: jason at jasonsinger.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Fri Jan  2 19:15:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Slurs and other musical notations
In-Reply-To: <01AEA97A90AF4D058C870655CBD594A5@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <C583FBF9.15899%jason@jasonsinger.com>

Wow! I have an opinion about John's posts and that makes me someone who
doesn't know enough to make that judgment...and I'M the elitist? Okay. The
remark was in defense of someone else on the board that you were attacking.
It was not an attack on you, but clearly you took it as such and for that I
apologize. I am an actor so I have certainly been accused of being
hyper-sensitive most of my life. Don't mind that part at all. Elitist? No,
not really. Disagreeing does not make one elitist. Suggesting that I have no
right to write a differing point of view (something I, BTW, did NOT suggest
in my remarks - John can and should write whatever he feels like), or that
that somehow makes me elitist is kinda funny. Calling a mostly
African-American inner-city struggling to find anything to economically grab
onto a "third-world country" is the very definition of an elitist comment,
unless he didn't mean it that way. If he didn't mean that, he has had ample
time to clarify, just as most people do when they are misunderstood (and as
I have done above). So, I suggest he meant it exactly as a number of us read
it and hence I'll stick to the comment that his remarks were borderline
elitist/racist. Mine, on the other hand, were not. Sorry if you think they
were. Again, just telling you that Paul was not alone in reading into it and
that I take John's silence as affirmation that we are correct. No biggie.
I'll still cheer standing next to you for the Cats and hoist a brew. I don't
take much of this too personally. It's not why we are here.

Cheers!

- jason


On 1/2/09 4:59 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

> 
>> For the record, Dennis, Paul is not alone in seeing something tat in my
>> eyes
>> WAS there. Not by a little bit. I have just taken to ignoring such posts
>> from John. But don't for a minute take my silence to mean I don't find a
>> good portion of his posts incendiary, incredibly pessimistic,
>> mean-spirited
>> and oft-times borderline elitist and/or racist. I'm not saying he is any
>> of
>> those things, but 90% of his posts are.
>> 
>> And I'm sure he feels not such great things about me either, which I
>> assure
>> you I have no problem living with. In fact, I take it as a compliment.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Jason Singer SP'86
>> 
> If you find what John DeGroat has said on this board to be "incendiary,"
> "mean-spirited" and "borderline elitist and/or racist," you don't know one
> person who truly fits those terms.  I suggest that elitism and
> hypersensitivity exists elsewhere here.
> 
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 19:58:20 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  2 19:58:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Slurs and other musical notations
Message-ID: <bd4.427b8599.3690203c@aol.com>

Long ago I blocked posts from that lister, it is easy to do. I also choose  
to not listen to Rush, Sean or any other people whose opinion makes me boil as 
I  feel that my wonderful liberal arts education from Northwestern (and the U  
of Edinburgh) gave me the curiosity and humanity to appreciate  diversity and 
freedom of thought but not intolerance and stereotypical rhetoric  from 
posers like the disaster from Alaska and anyone else. Go Cats!!!
 
Ultimately, America's answer to the intolerant man is diversity, the very  
diversity which our heritage of religious freedom has inspired.
_Robert  F. Kennedy_ (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/001575.html) : 
 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2009 8:15:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jason@jasonsinger.com writes:

Wow! I  have an opinion about John's posts 

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From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  2 20:57:42 2009
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Fri Jan  2 20:58:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
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References: <010220091759.12980.495E55FE00021B8A000032B42215553894090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
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> To: johnadeg@comcast.net; MHRJGScott@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:20:13 -0500> From: neonrye@aol.com> > P.S.:? John:? Your slur of Detroit and its residents (and I must confess, having been there a couple of times, it is far from my favorite city) is really outrageous.? There is a racial tinge to your comment that I find offensive, and I would guess I am not alone.? As we roll into the New Year, and await the Inaguration of our first African-American President with great hope and expectations, why don't you can the cant.>
 
This thread deserves to die a horrible death, but I have to ask those of you self-proclaimed open-minded thinkers who took offense to John's "slur":  What about his statement was "racial"?  Are you sure that you aren't reading more into this than is warranted?  Is it *really* racism, just because the inner city of Detroit is primarily African-American? I don't like hip hop music, I think it's a bunch of tripe.  Does that make me a racist?  I hope not, but it does seem that 95% or more of all hip hop performers appear to be African-American. As of later this month, 100% of sitting U.S. Presidents will be African-American.  Holy cow, if I criticize him, am I a racist? Please clarify these questions for me, as if I am in fact a closet racist I would like to cease.  Of course, you'll need to come up with another term for a person who believes in the inherent superiority of one race over another, because the previous term has now been rendered utterly meaningless.   
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Jan  2 21:17:41 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan  2 21:17:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Slurs and other musical notations
Message-ID: <010320090317.8114.495ED8D50006049B00001FB22215551724090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Dennis:

Why don't you read the article in The Weekly Standard so that you will understand what I was saying,  By the way, I'm from Motown so I have a better perspective on the economic conditions in Michigan than someone who has never been there.  My views on the ecomoic conditions in  Michigan have nothing to do with Obama (yet).

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> > P.S.:? John:? Your slur of Detroit and its residents (and I must confess, 
> > having been there a couple of times, it is far from my favorite city) is 
> > really outrageous.? There is a racial tinge to your comment that I find 
> > offensive, and I would guess I am not alone.? As we roll into the New 
> > Year, and await the Inaguration of our first African-American President 
> > with great hope and expectations, why don't you can the cant.
> >
> I would suggest that you pretty much were alone in seeing something that 
> isn't there. 
> 
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Jan  2 21:31:02 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan  2 21:31:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Slurs and other musical notations
Message-ID: <010320090331.27209.495EDBF6000AC3D500006A492215551724090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Apparently if one doesn't concur with the PC view, one is "incinderary elitist", etc.  Read the article in The Weekly Standard about economic conditions n Detroit and then comment on that.  Michigan, and Detroit are economic wrecks, stadiums, casinos etc. not withstanding.  The Detroit Free Press didn't stop home deliveries except for the weekend because conditions are good.  I suspect to that economic conditions there are such that the Lions can't sell enough tickets to avoid a blackout even recognizing that it is an 0-16 team.
I go back to my  view that the MSU crowd was relatively small, at least it looked that way to me

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Jason Singer <jason@jasonsinger.com>
> For the record, Dennis, Paul is not alone in seeing something tat in my eyes
> WAS there. Not by a little bit. I have just taken to ignoring such posts
> from John. But don't for a minute take my silence to mean I don't find a
> good portion of his posts incendiary, incredibly pessimistic, mean-spirited
> and oft-times borderline elitist and/or racist. I'm not saying he is any of
> those things, but 90% of his posts are.
> 
> And I'm sure he feels not such great things about me either, which I assure
> you I have no problem living with. In fact, I take it as a compliment.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Jason Singer SP'86
> 
> 
> On 1/2/09 1:58 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> >> P.S.:? John:? Your slur of Detroit and its residents (and I must confess,
> >> having been there a couple of times, it is far from my favorite city) is
> >> really outrageous.? There is a racial tinge to your comment that I find
> >> offensive, and I would guess I am not alone.? As we roll into the New
> >> Year, and await the Inaguration of our first African-American President
> >> with great hope and expectations, why don't you can the cant.
> >> 
> > I would suggest that you pretty much were alone in seeing something that
> > isn't there. 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> > 
> 
> 
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Jan  2 21:40:33 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan  2 21:40:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Slurs and other musical notations
Message-ID: <010320090340.8566.495EDE3100058272000021762215551724090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Everyone who complained about my comments which were based upon a good article in The Weekly Standard on economic conditions in Detroit and Michigan plus my being from Motown with relatives who still live in that area gives me a  pretty good perspective on economic conditions in Detroit and Michigan.  The fact that Detroit's population is about half what it was the last time the Lions won the NFL Championship in 1957 should tell you something. Reading something other than the usual media can be informative.

John DeGroat 
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Jason Singer <jason@jasonsinger.com>
> Wow! I have an opinion about John's posts and that makes me someone who
> doesn't know enough to make that judgment...and I'M the elitist? Okay. The
> remark was in defense of someone else on the board that you were attacking.
> It was not an attack on you, but clearly you took it as such and for that I
> apologize. I am an actor so I have certainly been accused of being
> hyper-sensitive most of my life. Don't mind that part at all. Elitist? No,
> not really. Disagreeing does not make one elitist. Suggesting that I have no
> right to write a differing point of view (something I, BTW, did NOT suggest
> in my remarks - John can and should write whatever he feels like), or that
> that somehow makes me elitist is kinda funny. Calling a mostly
> African-American inner-city struggling to find anything to economically grab
> onto a "third-world country" is the very definition of an elitist comment,
> unless he didn't mean it that way. If he didn't mean that, he has had ample
> time to clarify, just as most people do when they are misunderstood (and as
> I have done above). So, I suggest he meant it exactly as a number of us read
> it and hence I'll stick to the comment that his remarks were borderline
> elitist/racist. Mine, on the other hand, were not. Sorry if you think they
> were. Again, just telling you that Paul was not alone in reading into it and
> that I take John's silence as affirmation that we are correct. No biggie.
> I'll still cheer standing next to you for the Cats and hoist a brew. I don't
> take much of this too personally. It's not why we are here.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> - jason
> 
> 
> On 1/2/09 4:59 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > 
> >> For the record, Dennis, Paul is not alone in seeing something tat in my
> >> eyes
> >> WAS there. Not by a little bit. I have just taken to ignoring such posts
> >> from John. But don't for a minute take my silence to mean I don't find a
> >> good portion of his posts incendiary, incredibly pessimistic,
> >> mean-spirited
> >> and oft-times borderline elitist and/or racist. I'm not saying he is any
> >> of
> >> those things, but 90% of his posts are.
> >> 
> >> And I'm sure he feels not such great things about me either, which I
> >> assure
> >> you I have no problem living with. In fact, I take it as a compliment.
> >> 
> >> Cheers!
> >> 
> >> Jason Singer SP'86
> >> 
> > If you find what John DeGroat has said on this board to be "incendiary,"
> > "mean-spirited" and "borderline elitist and/or racist," you don't know one
> > person who truly fits those terms.  I suggest that elitism and
> > hypersensitivity exists elsewhere here.
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> > 
> 
> 
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Jan  2 21:46:20 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan  2 21:46:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Slurs and other musical notations
Message-ID: <010320090346.16752.495EDF8C00085555000041702215551724090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Scott accuses me of acting like him but from a less liberal perspective.  I find that liberals are far more intolerant than conservatives which I guess is the reason that conservatives don't go ballistic over opposing views.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> Long ago I blocked posts from that lister, it is easy to do. I also choose  
> to not listen to Rush, Sean or any other people whose opinion makes me boil as 
> I  feel that my wonderful liberal arts education from Northwestern (and the U  
> of Edinburgh) gave me the curiosity and humanity to appreciate  diversity and 
> freedom of thought but not intolerance and stereotypical rhetoric  from 
> posers like the disaster from Alaska and anyone else. Go Cats!!!
>  
> Ultimately, America's answer to the intolerant man is diversity, the very  
> diversity which our heritage of religious freedom has inspired.
> _Robert  F. Kennedy_ (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/001575.html) : 
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/2/2009 8:15:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> jason@jasonsinger.com writes:
> 
> Wow! I  have an opinion about John's posts 
> 
> **************New year...new news.  Be the first to know what is making 
> headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)
> _______________________________________________
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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jan  2 21:54:14 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jan  2 21:54:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Slurs and other musical notations
References: <bd4.427b8599.3690203c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D8876108F6B84CC696871F9DA3F0D0E9@DennisMachine>

As long as that diversity does not involve a conservative.  That's not 
diversity.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MHRJGScott@aol.com>
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Slurs and other musical notations


> Long ago I blocked posts from that lister, it is easy to do. I also choose
> to not listen to Rush, Sean or any other people whose opinion makes me 
> boil as
> I  feel that my wonderful liberal arts education from Northwestern (and 
> the U
> of Edinburgh) gave me the curiosity and humanity to appreciate  diversity 
> and
> freedom of thought but not intolerance and stereotypical rhetoric  from
> posers like the disaster from Alaska and anyone else. Go Cats!!!
>
> Ultimately, America's answer to the intolerant man is diversity, the very
> diversity which our heritage of religious freedom has inspired.
> _Robert  F. Kennedy_ (http://www.wisdomquotes.com/001575.html) :
>
>
> In a message dated 1/2/2009 8:15:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> jason@jasonsinger.com writes:
>
> Wow! I  have an opinion about John's posts
>
> **************New year...new news.  Be the first to know what is making
> headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000026)
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 

From mzilka at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  2 22:10:12 2009
From: mzilka at sbcglobal.net (Marilyn J Zilka)
Date: Fri Jan  2 22:10:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Stop the madness
Message-ID: <709940.59127.qm@web83508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

This is a sports list and that's all I want to read about
From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jan  2 22:08:39 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jan  2 22:16:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Slurs and other musical notations
References: <C583FBF9.15899%jason@jasonsinger.com>
Message-ID: <4115774E434C4454B756A2EB66279104@DennisMachine>

I took nothing personally, Jason.  The very fact that you feel you owe me an 
apology tells me your skin is more hypersensitive than realistic.  Yes, it 
is YOUR statement that smacked of elitism.  YOU were judging John.  YOU were 
calling him a racist.  YOU read words into what he wrote, words that were 
not there.  YOU appeared to be suffering from the currently acceptable form 
of bigotry known as political correctness.  If John DeGroat is a member of 
the Klan or is a Skinhead, he can go to hell, but I have read nothing here 
to indicate he falls into those categories.  I note one other responder says 
he blocks John's posts as many, I know, do mine.  One brags that he refuses 
to listen to conservative voices because he believes in "diversity," but 
that refers only to gender and ethnicity.  Opinion is another matter because 
he assumes those who disagree with him are morally bereft by definition. 
Those who disagree get  smeared in a manner Joe McCarthy would have 
applauded.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason Singer" <jason@jasonsinger.com>
To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Slurs and other musical notations


> Wow! I have an opinion about John's posts and that makes me someone who
> doesn't know enough to make that judgment...and I'M the elitist? Okay. The
> remark was in defense of someone else on the board that you were 
> attacking.
> It was not an attack on you, but clearly you took it as such and for that 
> I
> apologize. I am an actor so I have certainly been accused of being
> hyper-sensitive most of my life. Don't mind that part at all. Elitist? No,
> not really. Disagreeing does not make one elitist. Suggesting that I have 
> no
> right to write a differing point of view (something I, BTW, did NOT 
> suggest
> in my remarks - John can and should write whatever he feels like), or that
> that somehow makes me elitist is kinda funny. Calling a mostly
> African-American inner-city struggling to find anything to economically 
> grab
> onto a "third-world country" is the very definition of an elitist comment,
> unless he didn't mean it that way. If he didn't mean that, he has had 
> ample
> time to clarify, just as most people do when they are misunderstood (and 
> as
> I have done above). So, I suggest he meant it exactly as a number of us 
> read
> it and hence I'll stick to the comment that his remarks were borderline
> elitist/racist. Mine, on the other hand, were not. Sorry if you think they
> were. Again, just telling you that Paul was not alone in reading into it 
> and
> that I take John's silence as affirmation that we are correct. No biggie.
> I'll still cheer standing next to you for the Cats and hoist a brew. I 
> don't
> take much of this too personally. It's not why we are here.
>
> Cheers!
>
> - jason
>
>
> On 1/2/09 4:59 PM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>> For the record, Dennis, Paul is not alone in seeing something tat in my
>>> eyes
>>> WAS there. Not by a little bit. I have just taken to ignoring such posts
>>> from John. But don't for a minute take my silence to mean I don't find a
>>> good portion of his posts incendiary, incredibly pessimistic,
>>> mean-spirited
>>> and oft-times borderline elitist and/or racist. I'm not saying he is any
>>> of
>>> those things, but 90% of his posts are.
>>>
>>> And I'm sure he feels not such great things about me either, which I
>>> assure
>>> you I have no problem living with. In fact, I take it as a compliment.
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>>
>>> Jason Singer SP'86
>>>
>> If you find what John DeGroat has said on this board to be "incendiary,"
>> "mean-spirited" and "borderline elitist and/or racist," you don't know 
>> one
>> person who truly fits those terms.  I suggest that elitism and
>> hypersensitivity exists elsewhere here.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
>
>
> 

From dale.kipp at matweb.com  Fri Jan  2 22:34:13 2009
From: dale.kipp at matweb.com (Dale Kipp)
Date: Fri Jan  2 22:34:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Surs
References: <010220091759.12980.495E55FE00021B8A000032B42215553894090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
	<8CB3B3708A45E19-AC8-1232@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <1C9342CE9AB3214A86EE7BC205D0AA7B41F18A@GALAXY.ACI.local>

Paul,
 
I think that John's suggestion that you lay of the hate-filled rag (NY Times) and read a broader range of thoughtful publications such as The Weekly Standard (Wall Street Journal's editorial page, National Review, or even Fox News if you don't mind learning about missing newlyweds) would do you a world of good.  You have made some far worse slurs of groups over the years on this list, but these don't generate any controversy because Caucasians in Red States are not protected by the PC police and conservatives have to learn to just inwardly laugh at such narrow-mindedness from liberals.
 
It was only a few months ago that you criticized Southerners based on a long-ago trip to NC during your younger days.
 
Far worse was the most hateful and ignorant statement I've ever heard from an 'educated' person - that you were rooting against Idaho sports teams because the state is full of white supremecists.  What if someone had written that they rooted against New York sports teams because the city is full of _______ (fill in the blank with some negative stereotype that you saw on TV).  If you can't get out of our coastal cities, at least try to learn a bit about our country.

________________________________

From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of neonrye@aol.com
Sent: Fri 1/2/2009 4:20 PM
To: johnadeg@comcast.net; MHRJGScott@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways




 I was going to do a general post on the conspicuous abundance of empty seats at virtually every bowl--other than the Granddaddy in Pasadena that I have seen on the tube the past 10 days., but, as usual, my fellow Listers have gotten ahead of the "curve".? Clearly, the economy is impacting on the attendance in a number of venues.? This phenomenon has also surfaced with respect to a couple of the NFL "Wild Card" games this weekend.? Ziggy Wolf, the Vikings owner, had to buy up several thousand unsold seats, so that there wouldn't be a television blackout in the Twin Cities, and I know that one of the other games (I think the Ravens at Dolphins.) may also not be a sell-out.

Paul Levinson

P.S.:? John:? Your slur of Detroit and its residents (and I must confess, having been there a couple of times, it is far from my favorite city) is really outrageous.? There is a racial tinge to your comment that I find offensive, and I would guess I am not alone.? As we roll into the New Year, and await the Inaguration of our first African-American President with great hope and expectations, why don't you can the cant.







-----Original Message-----
From: johnadeg@comcast.net
To: MHRJGScott@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 12:59 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways










Watching the MSU-Georgia game, it looked to me like the MSU crowd was pretty
small, certainly in comparison to the Georgia crowd.  My guess is that it
reflects the non existent Michigan economy.  As The Weekly Standard pointed out,
Detroit, except for not having goats wandering the streets, is like a third
world country. 

John DeGroat


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> I sent this to him:
> 
> Mike Schulze _Info@outbackbowl.com_ (mailto:Info@outbackbowl.com)
> 
> any other abuse will be welcome
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 1/2/2009 11:50:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
> cherron604@aol.com writes:
>
> I wonder  if the Outback Bowl people are kicking themselves ?
>
> 1 - We beat Iowa on  the field
>
> 2 - We beat Iowa in the standings
>
> 3 - The Alamo Bowl  beat the Outback Bowl in attendance, 55,986 to
> 55,117?(impressive considering  they have a better date, Jan 1 vs. Dec 29, and

> the fact
> that it is much easier  to fly into Tampa than into San Antonio)
>
> 4 - Since our football rebirth  in 1995, the Outback Bowl has been averaging
> 61,864.? This year's attendance  of 55,117 was DOWN almost 11%.? During the
> same period, the Alamo Bowl has  averaged 60,677.? This year's attendance of
> 55,986 was down only 7.7%? (thanks  to the sour economy)
>
> 5 - Both bowls exhibit wide swings in attendance,  the Alamo relating to the
> presence of a Texas team, or Michigan/Penn  State/Ohio State.? Without one of
> these teams, the Alamo averages 56,544.? Our  attendance of 55,986 was down
> only 1% from this 'non-Texas, non-Big Ten giant'  attendance.?
>
> The Outback looks similar with Florida, Michigan, Penn  State and Ohio
> State.? Without one of these teams, the Outback averages  57,579.? This year's

> attendance was down almost 4.3% from the 'non-Florida,  non-Big Ten giant'
> average
>
> Unfortunately, the 6th way would have been  to win our game, but as many have
> pointed out, our match-up was significantly  worse than theirs.? And the?Bowl
> committees don't really care about those kind  of issues.
>
> I have not seen the TV ratings for the Outback bowl, but it  is probably not
> appropriate to compare ratings for a Monday night event with  ratings for a
> New Years Day morning event.
>
> Though I don't think the  data exists, it would be interesting to compare the
> disposable incomes of the  two fan bases, and to compare the average amount
> spent?by the Iowa and NU fans  in the two host cities.
>
> Chuck Herron?? Tech  '85
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 22:40:58 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Jan  2 22:41:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
Message-ID: <472725.32937.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Back to football (yes, the interminable bowl season is still going on) ...

Utah has just intercepted the Tide, sealing a win over mighty Alabama and the untouchable SEC. All that speed and talent was ... on Utah tonight.

They have dominated a team that was neck-in-neck with Florida just a month ago in the "SEC title game for the ages."

They are going to finish the season unbeaten. No one else will.

So the question now goes to AP voters - how can you NOT rank Utah #1?

As for the coaches and Harris/joke voters, how can you call your vote for #1 a champion? Computers aren't the problem anymore with the BCS, the media assistants who fill out the coaches poll and the made-up voters in the Harris poll are.

Especially if Florida wins the so-called title game next week?

I guess the B(C)S folk have to hope Oklahoma beats Florida and Texas loses to OSU ... but even then, how can you leave out Utah from the title mix (or SC, who would have pounded the team that just beat Texas).

B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!

Too bad Fox' announcers chose to suck-up to the company line that the BCS is magical, wonderful and great for college football. ABC at least spent the second half yesterday trashing the BCS system for not giving USC a shot. The entire second half in New Orleans should have at least had ONE mention of how Utah will be the sole unbeaten and manhandled a team from the SEC that was #1 for weeks and went toe-to-toe with Florida. Nary a peep from the puppets.

Interesting how the only two relatively close or entertaining BCS games in the last three years have involved the BCS busters. Even more reason for a playoff for college football, the "great movie with a bad ending" as one journalist described it this week.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Kudos to John Hodges and Carl Rossi for picking the ultimate upset special in the bowl pool with Utah!

* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 22:48:33 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  2 22:48:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
Message-ID: <c64.3be28e12.36904821@aol.com>

I love every minute of this--These messes are just the reason why I don't 
want a national championship game or round robin

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  2 23:10:35 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Jan  2 23:10:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
In-Reply-To: <8CB3B76A51AF5D4-1608-9BF@webmail-de08.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <39813.99361.qm@web52901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hakirsch@aol.com
> 
> I love every minute of this--These messes are just the
> reason why I don't 
> want a national championship game or round robin

But a couple years from now, no one remembers the controversy or joke of how the season ended - just the officially recorded version that Florida or Oklahoma won the national title. That's the problem.

The arguments against a playoff have really been exposed the last few years ...

- All about academics? Then why so many midweek games for TV?
- Bowl tradition? Tell that to the half-empty stadiums and folks in Dallas and Miami who have watched their once-proud bowl games become second-tier minor league events.

And my favorites - the regular season is truly special and means something in college football.

If it did, then Texas' win over Oklahoma would mean it was the one with a title shot.

And if it did, then a team that went undefeated would at least have a shot at the championship.

The B(C)S has done exactly one thing well in its existence - given the "mid majors" some sort of chance (albeit with a heavily stacked deck) to prove themselves. And they have - and in the process have exposed why the B(C)S is not working ...

These games with power leagues vs. Utah or Boise State don't happen in the regular season because under the B(C)S, there's no incentive to schedule those games. The USC-Ohio State or Texas-OSU games are the exception because unless your team is from the SEC with their mythical powers, one loss will kill your chances of a title shot. So the regular season "playoff" folks talk about is basically all about dodging enough challenges until 1 or 2 league games and then running up the score to make enough of an impression with the human voters (again, the computers aren't the problem anymore - it's the voters who are awed by 50+ points no matter who it comes against).

I love college football as much as anyone. And I loved every minute of the Rose Bowl experience in 1995-96 - I can buy into that kind of bowl tradition. It didn't give us a champ either, but had a week loaded with meaningful games.

What frustrates the heck out of me is the current system - having a great year inevitably end with a hollow feeling of what could have been and to top it off, having a "champion" shoved down our throat by this B(C)S system and hearing how great it is. The fans deserve better - it won't come easy, but we don't have to drink the B(C)S Kool-Aid!:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 23:10:42 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  2 23:10:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
Message-ID: <ceb.4d7f5eb8.36904d52@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/2/2009 8:55:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
HUDHAIFA3@aim.com writes:

> Harry, I see where you are coming from for sake of an argument.
> The only problem I see is that a team like UTAH could be the best team in 
> the county and deserving of a Championship.
> The only way this happens is if they schedule 4 BCS non conference teams and 
> we all know not many teams will make the trip to Utah or Boise.

They have year end polls --one of them does not dicate who gets to be  # 1 
,and if those voting think Utah should be #1, then they can vote them in--Of 
course this means a conflict with the mandatory BCS voting where the winner of 
the title game is automatically crowned.  I love the controversy--to me this is 
so much what college football is all about--I don't like to see one team 
dominate , even in a given year--those years when it obvious to everyone who should 
be #1, tends to be more boring (at least to me anyhow)

The Ivies are not allowed to go to the post-season ,except one all star game 
(and therefore would not be allowed to go to a hypothetical round robin)-Just 
suppose one of them had one of the top teams in the nation-(yeah I know--it's 
1 in million) --they would miss out and couldnt be voted in as #1

Harry

Harry

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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Jan  2 23:29:04 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  2 23:29:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways
In-Reply-To: <COL114-W44A31D03304FCC67A073F8AE30@phx.gbl>
References: <010220091759.12980.495E55FE00021B8A000032B42215553894090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net><8CB3B3708A45E19-AC8-1232@webmail-df01.sysops.aol.com>
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I agree, the thread should die--let's let my response to John and the follow-ups on both sides end here.? I may have overreacted, and if I inferred too much, I apologize--to John and to the List.? However, John's comments did not come in a vacuum, and it was in that context that I spoke out, perhaps as intemperately as I thought he did.? John has sent me some kind and thoughtful comments off-line in the past, and for that he probably deserved better from me.? However, he has also made some hurtful comments over the years--not to me, but aimed perhaps at other groups or ideologies.?? 

I truly believe we need to all listen more to each other and to try to find the common threads?that unite us, as I believe our President-Elect has eloquently stated (and acted upon--e.g., his invitation to Rev. Rick Warren to pray at the Inaguration).? I am sorry I got all of us off-message.

This past football season has been one of the most enjoyable ever for all of us as 'Cat fans (except for the game in Bloomington and the OT in San Antonio).? We have much to look forward to--with an incoming University President who seems to "get it" on all levels, academic and athletic, to succeed Henry Bienen, a Head Coach in Fitz who inspires his players, and makes us proud to be fellow alums with him, and a "genius" of a DC in Hankwitz, who may make us competitive in most games for years to come.? So let's all go back to what we were talking about, before some guy in the NY 'burbs so rudely interrupted.....:-)

By the way, Arthur, I don't like hip-hop either.

Paul Levinson


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Miller <artmiller1@hotmail.com>
To: neonrye@aol.com; johnadeg@comcast.net; mhrjgscott@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 9:57 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways




> To: johnadeg@comcast.net; MHRJGScott@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com> Subject: 
Re: [NU Sports] We beat Iowa five ways> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 16:20:13 -0500> 
From: neonrye@aol.com> > P.S.:? John:? Your slur of Detroit and its residents 
(and I must confess, having been there a couple of times, it is far from my 
favorite city) is really outrageous.? There is a racial tinge to your comment 
that I find offensive, and I would guess I am not alone.? As we roll into the 
New Year, and await the Inaguration of our first African-American President with 
great hope and expectations, why don't you can the cant.>
 
This thread deserves to die a horrible death, but I have to ask those of you 
self-proclaimed open-minded thinkers who took offense to John's "slur":  What 
about his statement was "racial"?  Are you sure that you aren't reading more 
into this than is warranted?  Is it *really* racism, just because the inner city 
of Detroit is primarily African-American? I don't like hip hop music, I think 
it's a bunch of tripe.  Does that make me a racist?  I hope not, but it does 
seem that 95% or more of all hip hop performers appear to be African-American. 
As of later this month, 100% of sitting U.S. Presidents will be 
African-American.  Holy cow, if I criticize him, am I a racist? Please clarify 
these questions for me, as if I am in fact a closet racist I would like to 
cease.  Of course, you'll need to come up with another term for a person who 
believes in the inherent superiority of one race over another, because the 
previous term has now been rendered utterly meaningless.   
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Jan  2 23:43:27 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Jan  2 23:43:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
In-Reply-To: <472725.32937.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <472725.32937.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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I am still a proponent of the bowl system with some slight modifications
(i.e. Plus One) as a playoff system would further divide college football
into "haves" (traditional powers, like OSU, USC, Texas, Florida, etc.) and
"have nots" - year in and year out there would be 7 "popular" teams and one
outsider who managed to sneak in (this year, Utah) and the playoffs would
look like NFL minor league.  The bowls allow the opportunity to put some
interesting matchups on the field and reward teams that are part of a 120
team league with absolutely no schedule balance - something that no other
major sport has.  Yes, NCAA basketball tourney works well, but they can also
play 2 games/week - something impossible in football.  Oh, and for those who
want to run a playoff in conjunction with a bowls - get ready for stadiums
much emptier than they are now - the bowls that are not part of the playoff
will be worth even less than they are now - and neutral site games for
anything but the national championship will sell precious few tickets
(Minnesota is scrambling to sell tickets for its first home NFL playoff game
in 8 years).

I would favor a reduction in the number of bowls and upping the requirement
back up to a winning record in addition to the Plus One, but I realize the
likelihood of either happening is close to nil.  The fact is that for the
Plus One or any playoff system to work, it would require the vote of ALL
NCAA Div. I presidents, which means for it to fly the revenue sharing would
have to be much more equal than it is now.  The BCS is essentially collusion
amongst the football powers to stage what they can without adding additional
games to the schedule and keeping most of the money in house (obviously
Congress forced them to give non-BCS schools an easier "in" and distribute
the money annually).  It will basically take something drastic to push the
BCS conferences into a position to give up the cash that's on the table now
- especially after ESPN forked over a ton more cash than FOX.

Jonathan

On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:40 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Back to football (yes, the interminable bowl season is still going on) ...
>
> Utah has just intercepted the Tide, sealing a win over mighty Alabama and
> the untouchable SEC. All that speed and talent was ... on Utah tonight.
>
> They have dominated a team that was neck-in-neck with Florida just a month
> ago in the "SEC title game for the ages."
>
> They are going to finish the season unbeaten. No one else will.
>
> So the question now goes to AP voters - how can you NOT rank Utah #1?
>
> As for the coaches and Harris/joke voters, how can you call your vote for
> #1 a champion? Computers aren't the problem anymore with the BCS, the media
> assistants who fill out the coaches poll and the made-up voters in the
> Harris poll are.
>
> Especially if Florida wins the so-called title game next week?
>
> I guess the B(C)S folk have to hope Oklahoma beats Florida and Texas loses
> to OSU ... but even then, how can you leave out Utah from the title mix (or
> SC, who would have pounded the team that just beat Texas).
>
> B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
>
> Too bad Fox' announcers chose to suck-up to the company line that the BCS
> is magical, wonderful and great for college football. ABC at least spent the
> second half yesterday trashing the BCS system for not giving USC a shot. The
> entire second half in New Orleans should have at least had ONE mention of
> how Utah will be the sole unbeaten and manhandled a team from the SEC that
> was #1 for weeks and went toe-to-toe with Florida. Nary a peep from the
> puppets.
>
> Interesting how the only two relatively close or entertaining BCS games in
> the last three years have involved the BCS busters. Even more reason for a
> playoff for college football, the "great movie with a bad ending" as one
> journalist described it this week.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> PS - Kudos to John Hodges and Carl Rossi for picking the ultimate upset
> special in the bowl pool with Utah!
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
>
>
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sat Jan  3 08:58:18 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Jan  3 08:58:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
Message-ID: <010320091458.5908.495F7D09000E67F1000017142215575474090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

It's kind of like the voting for baseball allstar teams.  The players from big cities will  more likely get the most votes. Teams like Utah don't get the TV coverage either.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> Back to football (yes, the interminable bowl season is still going on) ...
> 
> Utah has just intercepted the Tide, sealing a win over mighty Alabama and the 
> untouchable SEC. All that speed and talent was ... on Utah tonight.
> 
> They have dominated a team that was neck-in-neck with Florida just a month ago 
> in the "SEC title game for the ages."
> 
> They are going to finish the season unbeaten. No one else will.
> 
> So the question now goes to AP voters - how can you NOT rank Utah #1?
> 
> As for the coaches and Harris/joke voters, how can you call your vote for #1 a 
> champion? Computers aren't the problem anymore with the BCS, the media 
> assistants who fill out the coaches poll and the made-up voters in the Harris 
> poll are.
> 
> Especially if Florida wins the so-called title game next week?
> 
> I guess the B(C)S folk have to hope Oklahoma beats Florida and Texas loses to 
> OSU ... but even then, how can you leave out Utah from the title mix (or SC, who 
> would have pounded the team that just beat Texas).
> 
> B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
> 
> Too bad Fox' announcers chose to suck-up to the company line that the BCS is 
> magical, wonderful and great for college football. ABC at least spent the second 
> half yesterday trashing the BCS system for not giving USC a shot. The entire 
> second half in New Orleans should have at least had ONE mention of how Utah will 
> be the sole unbeaten and manhandled a team from the SEC that was #1 for weeks 
> and went toe-to-toe with Florida. Nary a peep from the puppets.
> 
> Interesting how the only two relatively close or entertaining BCS games in the 
> last three years have involved the BCS busters. Even more reason for a playoff 
> for college football, the "great movie with a bad ending" as one journalist 
> described it this week.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
> PS - Kudos to John Hodges and Carl Rossi for picking the ultimate upset special 
> in the bowl pool with Utah!
> 
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
> 
> 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Jan  3 10:21:00 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat Jan  3 10:21:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Keyshawn in RB HOF?
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE02EDF181@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

In the run up to the Rose Bowl, the announcers mentioned that Keyshawn Johnson was recently inducted into the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame.  I seem to recall that he was academically ineligible for that game, so how did he qualify for the Hall of Fame?

Jeff

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com <nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>
To: sjtruog@yahoo.com <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sat Jan 03 00:43:27 2009
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!

I am still a proponent of the bowl system with some slight modifications
(i.e. Plus One) as a playoff system would further divide college football
into "haves" (traditional powers, like OSU, USC, Texas, Florida, etc.) and
"have nots" - year in and year out there would be 7 "popular" teams and one
outsider who managed to sneak in (this year, Utah) and the playoffs would
look like NFL minor league.  The bowls allow the opportunity to put some
interesting matchups on the field and reward teams that are part of a 120
team league with absolutely no schedule balance - something that no other
major sport has.  Yes, NCAA basketball tourney works well, but they can also
play 2 games/week - something impossible in football.  Oh, and for those who
want to run a playoff in conjunction with a bowls - get ready for stadiums
much emptier than they are now - the bowls that are not part of the playoff
will be worth even less than they are now - and neutral site games for
anything but the national championship will sell precious few tickets
(Minnesota is scrambling to sell tickets for its first home NFL playoff game
in 8 years).

I would favor a reduction in the number of bowls and upping the requirement
back up to a winning record in addition to the Plus One, but I realize the
likelihood of either happening is close to nil.  The fact is that for the
Plus One or any playoff system to work, it would require the vote of ALL
NCAA Div. I presidents, which means for it to fly the revenue sharing would
have to be much more equal than it is now.  The BCS is essentially collusion
amongst the football powers to stage what they can without adding additional
games to the schedule and keeping most of the money in house (obviously
Congress forced them to give non-BCS schools an easier "in" and distribute
the money annually).  It will basically take something drastic to push the
BCS conferences into a position to give up the cash that's on the table now
- especially after ESPN forked over a ton more cash than FOX.

Jonathan

On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:40 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Back to football (yes, the interminable bowl season is still going on) ...
>
> Utah has just intercepted the Tide, sealing a win over mighty Alabama and
> the untouchable SEC. All that speed and talent was ... on Utah tonight.
>
> They have dominated a team that was neck-in-neck with Florida just a month
> ago in the "SEC title game for the ages."
>
> They are going to finish the season unbeaten. No one else will.
>
> So the question now goes to AP voters - how can you NOT rank Utah #1?
>
> As for the coaches and Harris/joke voters, how can you call your vote for
> #1 a champion? Computers aren't the problem anymore with the BCS, the media
> assistants who fill out the coaches poll and the made-up voters in the
> Harris poll are.
>
> Especially if Florida wins the so-called title game next week?
>
> I guess the B(C)S folk have to hope Oklahoma beats Florida and Texas loses
> to OSU ... but even then, how can you leave out Utah from the title mix (or
> SC, who would have pounded the team that just beat Texas).
>
> B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
>
> Too bad Fox' announcers chose to suck-up to the company line that the BCS
> is magical, wonderful and great for college football. ABC at least spent the
> second half yesterday trashing the BCS system for not giving USC a shot. The
> entire second half in New Orleans should have at least had ONE mention of
> how Utah will be the sole unbeaten and manhandled a team from the SEC that
> was #1 for weeks and went toe-to-toe with Florida. Nary a peep from the
> puppets.
>
> Interesting how the only two relatively close or entertaining BCS games in
> the last three years have involved the BCS busters. Even more reason for a
> playoff for college football, the "great movie with a bad ending" as one
> journalist described it this week.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> PS - Kudos to John Hodges and Carl Rossi for picking the ultimate upset
> special in the bowl pool with Utah!
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
>
>
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 10:25:40 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sat Jan  3 10:25:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
In-Reply-To: <39813.99361.qm@web52901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <996979.927.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> If it did, then Texas' win over Oklahoma would mean it
> was the one with a title shot.

That argument doesn't hold water, because it ignores the fact that Texas lost to Texas Tech, who Oklahoma crushed. 

The regular season IS truly special, and does mean something. It's part of why I find college football much more interesting than the NFL game. 

The BCS system is certainly better than the old days when bowl bids were handed out in October and there were often years when the two top teams absolutely could not face each other due to conference bowl tie-ins. 

But it's clearly not a perfect system, and is not well-suited to dealing with this year's situation, where we have several 1-loss teams and one undefeated team from a much weaker conference. 

I think I've come around to the "plus one" idea myself. Put the big four bowl games back on New Year's Day, where they should be, and follow that with one more championship game. 

Tom



From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  3 11:05:28 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan  3 11:05:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Keyshawn in RB HOF?
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Not to cast doubt on Mr. Johnson, but I wonder how much he's contributed to both his Alma Mater's sports program, AND the Rose Committee over the years?

The ineligible tag only works if the game was played AFTER the start of spring or winter classes, unless the coach chooses to pull a kid's eligibility prior to those dates. 

Mr. Johnson was obviously a high draft pick going into that game. No coach of any college (except NU, State Penn, Rice, SMU, Vandy, and maybe Duke) would screw up a kid's chances to reflect well on their school on Sunday.

Someof our big line recruits point to Luis Castillo and Barry Cofield as reasons they considered the Cats. The USC guys back then knew that Keyshawn was going to be a good recruiting tool for more wide outs. They took the only course possible, interpret the "rules" so Johnson could play.

Randy Walker was the only coach I can remember, who removed a kid from the bowl team due to academics. Florida may have done the same thing a few years back.

In any case, I haven't seen any attempt to force the NCAA or Rose Committee to change the outcome of that game, not that Brett (don't tell anyone I went to NU) Mussberger would ever mention Johnson's academic status. He's too busy trying to help Texas into the BCS title game every year.

It is too bad Brett didn't call the Alamo Bowl. I wonder if we'd have seen so many pictures of Mom at the end of the game and it's too bad they couldn't find any NU families on the sidelines - I know we have a few moms who are just as animated....

rsl 

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:21 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Keyshawn in RB HOF?

In the run up to the Rose Bowl, the announcers mentioned that Keyshawn Johnson was recently inducted into the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame.  I seem to recall that he was academically ineligible for that game, so how did he qualify for the Hall of Fame?

Jeff

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Sent: Sat Jan 03 00:43:27 2009
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!

I am still a proponent of the bowl system with some slight modifications
(i.e. Plus One) as a playoff system would further divide college football
into "haves" (traditional powers, like OSU, USC, Texas, Florida, etc.) and
"have nots" - year in and year out there would be 7 "popular" teams and one
outsider who managed to sneak in (this year, Utah) and the playoffs would
look like NFL minor league.  The bowls allow the opportunity to put some
interesting matchups on the field and reward teams that are part of a 120
team league with absolutely no schedule balance - something that no other
major sport has.  Yes, NCAA basketball tourney works well, but they can also
play 2 games/week - something impossible in football.  Oh, and for those who
want to run a playoff in conjunction with a bowls - get ready for stadiums
much emptier than they are now - the bowls that are not part of the playoff
will be worth even less than they are now - and neutral site games for
anything but the national championship will sell precious few tickets
(Minnesota is scrambling to sell tickets for its first home NFL playoff game
in 8 years).

I would favor a reduction in the number of bowls and upping the requirement
back up to a winning record in addition to the Plus One, but I realize the
likelihood of either happening is close to nil.  The fact is that for the
Plus One or any playoff system to work, it would require the vote of ALL
NCAA Div. I presidents, which means for it to fly the revenue sharing would
have to be much more equal than it is now.  The BCS is essentially collusion
amongst the football powers to stage what they can without adding additional
games to the schedule and keeping most of the money in house (obviously
Congress forced them to give non-BCS schools an easier "in" and distribute
the money annually).  It will basically take something drastic to push the
BCS conferences into a position to give up the cash that's on the table now
- especially after ESPN forked over a ton more cash than FOX.

Jonathan

On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:40 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Back to football (yes, the interminable bowl season is still going on) ...
>
> Utah has just intercepted the Tide, sealing a win over mighty Alabama and
> the untouchable SEC. All that speed and talent was ... on Utah tonight.
>
> They have dominated a team that was neck-in-neck with Florida just a month
> ago in the "SEC title game for the ages."
>
> They are going to finish the season unbeaten. No one else will.
>
> So the question now goes to AP voters - how can you NOT rank Utah #1?
>
> As for the coaches and Harris/joke voters, how can you call your vote for
> #1 a champion? Computers aren't the problem anymore with the BCS, the media
> assistants who fill out the coaches poll and the made-up voters in the
> Harris poll are.
>
> Especially if Florida wins the so-called title game next week?
>
> I guess the B(C)S folk have to hope Oklahoma beats Florida and Texas loses
> to OSU ... but even then, how can you leave out Utah from the title mix (or
> SC, who would have pounded the team that just beat Texas).
>
> B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
>
> Too bad Fox' announcers chose to suck-up to the company line that the BCS
> is magical, wonderful and great for college football. ABC at least spent the
> second half yesterday trashing the BCS system for not giving USC a shot. The
> entire second half in New Orleans should have at least had ONE mention of
> how Utah will be the sole unbeaten and manhandled a team from the SEC that
> was #1 for weeks and went toe-to-toe with Florida. Nary a peep from the
> puppets.
>
> Interesting how the only two relatively close or entertaining BCS games in
> the last three years have involved the BCS busters. Even more reason for a
> playoff for college football, the "great movie with a bad ending" as one
> journalist described it this week.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> PS - Kudos to John Hodges and Carl Rossi for picking the ultimate upset
> special in the bowl pool with Utah!
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
>
>
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Jan  3 11:15:00 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  3 11:15:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Keyshawn in RB HOF?
Message-ID: <cec.4bee055a.3690f714@aol.com>

The ineligible tag only works if the game was played AFTER the start of 
spring or winter classes, unless the coach chooses to pull a kid's eligibility 
prior to those dates. 

Mr. Johnson was obviously a high draft pick going into that game. No coach of 
any college (except NU, State Penn, Rice, SMU, Vandy, and maybe Duke) would 
screw up a kid's chances to reflect well on their school on Sunday.


As I understand it Johnson was later declared in-eligible and Barnett was 
later  offered the Rose Bowl trophy which he refused

The starting back for USC was declared academically in-elgible for the Rose 
Bowl this year-I assume that was because during the fall sememster , he didnt 
get the grades or enough credits

And do the pros care that a kid was academically in- eligble -- ?Perhaps they 
care if he was suspended or kicked off for behavoir (although most dont seem 
to care about that either)



Harry


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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Sat Jan  3 11:23:07 2009
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Sat Jan  3 11:30:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
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I don't think it's a mess at all.  There's no way to have playoffs 
without totally screwing up the sport.  There are just too many good 
teams.  I like it just fine the way it is.   The only change I would 
make is to eliminate the final championship game and replace it with a poll.

Clark Zahn


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  3 11:32:52 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan  3 11:32:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Keyshawn in RB HOF?
In-Reply-To: <cec.4bee055a.3690f714@aol.com>
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True enough - 

 

I'm sure the U$C coaching staff at the time figured that Keyshawn's value to
recruiting out weighed the chance he'd be declared ineligible.

 

I'm not sure, however, how much a big showing in the Rose Bowl is worth to a
kid heading into the draft. Johnson was somewhat more desirable as a pro
after the Rose Bowl. 

 

Coaches are also more careful who they let play in bowls now - we see a lot
more kids sitting out the bowl due to grades than we used to - but then we
have a lot more 5th year guys looking to improve their draft status. I'm
sure that Peterman, Lane and Ward get more looks in the draft room now than
they would have two weeks ago, the same applies to Sutton.

 

IMHO of course..<g>

 

rsl

 

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Computer Applications & Support Associates

-------------------- Also ----------------------

Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)

Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball

Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]

Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 

Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68

==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of 

government. It can only exist until the voters 

discover they can vote themselves largess out of 

the public treasury." -- attributed to

Alexis De Tocqueville - 18th cent. or maybe

Alexander Tytler by Ronald Regan, March 5, 1964.

================================================

 

From: Hakirsch@aol.com [mailto:Hakirsch@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:15 PM
To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com;
nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Keyshawn in RB HOF?

 

The ineligible tag only works if the game was played AFTER the start of
spring or winter classes, unless the coach chooses to pull a kid's
eligibility prior to those dates. 

Mr. Johnson was obviously a high draft pick going into that game. No coach
of any college (except NU, State Penn, Rice, SMU, Vandy, and maybe Duke)
would screw up a kid's chances to reflect well on their school on Sunday.


As I understand it Johnson was later declared in-eligible and Barnett was
later  offered the Rose Bowl trophy which he refused

The starting back for USC was declared academically in-elgible for the Rose
Bowl this year-I assume that was because during the fall sememster , he
didnt get the grades or enough credits

And do the pros care that a kid was academically in- eligble -- ?Perhaps
they care if he was suspended or kicked off for behavoir (although most dont
seem to care about that either)



Harry


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 12:43:15 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  3 12:43:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
In-Reply-To: <996979.927.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <736009.36720.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> > If it did, then Texas' win over Oklahoma would mean
> 
> That argument doesn't hold water, because it ignores
> the fact that Texas lost to Texas Tech, who Oklahoma

Sure it holds up. Texas lost on the road on the final play of the game to a team that finished 11-1. Oklahoma lost by double digits on a neutral field to a team that finished 11-1. So even without the team names of who they lost to, Texas should win that debate. Throw in that Texas BEAT Oklahoma on the field and they really got screwed.

This year forever shattered the argument that the regular season means something or is some kind of playoff. It's clearly not when the above situation happened. What happened this year was that the interns who have to fill out the coaches ballot and the mystery Harris voters went gaga when OU started running up the score and forgot the "on the field"  so-called "regular season playoff" ... one game didn't matter this year.

Of course, the whole argument was bogus anyway because if the regular season is a playoff, it needs to have a better structure than where one team might cruise through a soft schedule while others run the gauntlet that Big XII teams had to this year and SEC and Big Ten teams have had to in the past.

> I think I've come around to the "plus one"
> idea myself. Put the big four bowl games back on New
> Year's Day, where they should be, and follow that with

I could go for that. Heck, I'll go for anything now except this horrible mess and joke of a system that we have now. Move the big four games to New Year's Day (or eve) and then have a plus-one title game played the weekend before the Super Bowl. Or go back to the old bowl tradition - anything but this!:)

And John added ...

> (i.e. Plus One) as a playoff system would further divide
> college football
> into "haves" (traditional powers, like OSU, USC,
> Texas, Florida, etc.) and

Any more than the B(C)S has? If Congress hadn't forced it to, would they have allowed a non-BCS league school other than Notre Dame in? Probably not. But once given the chance on the field, these BCS busters are now 3-1, the last two wins coming over heavily favored, tradition rich schools in Oklahoma and Alabama.

But they're still shut out of the championship hunt. Boise State and Utah, despite beating tradition rich powers and finishing unbeaten, are not talked about as contenders even though the champions in their year will have a loss. The next step would be to give them a shot at the title on the field, and a playoff would no further widen that divide than the B(C)S already does - it would close the gap.

Plus, if you only had 8 slots, you might encourage scheduling strong foes to raise your profile. The B(C)S used to have that quality-win component. It made sense. It encouraged playing strong foes. It was good for the game and the fans. So, of course, the B(C)S took it out.

Now teams rarely schedule a big non-conference game because there's no incentive to do it. The one school that did it this year to overcome a perceived weak conference - SC - never got any credit for it. Under the old quality-win system, that OSU victory would have meant something.

Trying to impress a selection committee (ala the NCAA basketball route) might encourage more September matchups that matter.

> look like NFL minor league.  The bowls allow the
> opportunity to put some
> interesting matchups on the field and reward teams that are

So have an 8-team playoff and have the bowls as well. No one's saying you have to get rid of the bowls ... just the B(C)S.

Also, please name five interesting non-B(C)S bowl matchups this year. :) I have Boise State-TCU, Oregon-Okie State and ... hmm ... um ... ???

> play 2 games/week - something impossible in football.  Oh,
> and for those who
> want to run a playoff in conjunction with a bowls - get
> ready for stadiums
> much emptier than they are now - the bowls that are not

I really doubt that. If they can get 20,000 people to Boise on 4-days notice for a basketball regional, they can get 50,000 to Miami or Dallas on 2-weeks notice for a football game. Plus, make the game meaningful and interesting and people will show up in the local community, as the bowl games showed before they became meaningless.

> I would favor a reduction in the number of bowls and upping
> the requirement
> back up to a winning record in addition to the Plus One,

Two good ideas. I'll go for both of those.

> likelihood of either happening is close to nil.  The fact

That doesn't mean we should accept it - enough fans demanding more will eventually be heard. Especially since the bowl system seems to have gotten too greedy this year and ratings/attendance have plummeted with the overabundance of games. It won't happen overnight, but that doesn't mean we just swallow the B(C)S line.

More and more people seem to be coming around to the plus-one idea after the past couple seasons ... so things are moving and there is a light at the end of this absurdly messy tunnel.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Jan  3 13:07:24 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  3 13:07:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
Message-ID: <cc6.44ab7e4d.3691116c@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/3/2009 10:43:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
sjtruog@yahoo.com writes:

> Sure it holds up. Texas lost on the road on the final play of the game to a 
> team that finished 11-1. Oklahoma lost by double digits on a neutral field 
> to a team that finished 11-1. So even without the team names of who they lost 
> to, Texas should win that debate. Throw in that Texas BEAT Oklahoma on the 
> field and they really got screwed.
> 

All lost 1 game--The tie breaker is head to head

Texas beat OK
OK beat TT
TT beat Texas

Around around we go

How did Texas get screwed?-If they had gone to the Big Xll championship game, 
TT would have been screwed.  If TT had gone, OK would have been screwed--The 
regular season does matter- Just that The Big Xll was left with a much deeper 
tie-breaker--i.e. the computer


Harry



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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 14:41:34 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sat Jan  3 14:41:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
In-Reply-To: <cc6.44ab7e4d.3691116c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7668.37024.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> All lost 1 game--The tie breaker is head to head
> 
> Texas beat OK
> OK beat TT
> TT beat Texas
> 
> Around around we go
> 
> How did Texas get screwed?-If they had gone to the Big Xll
> championship game, 
> TT would have been screwed.  If TT had gone, OK would have
> been screwed--The 
> regular season does matter- Just that The Big Xll was left
> with a much deeper 
> tie-breaker--i.e. the computer

Exactly. The fact that the regular season didn't leave us with an obvious Big 12 south champion doesn't change the fact that regular season games hold more importance in college football than in just about any other sport. 

Part of that is, I think, because it's not all about getting into the playoffs. Alabama-Auburn, Oklahoma-Nebraska, OU-Texas, Michigan-OSU---those games are all huge to the fans of those teams regardless of what else happens. I'd hate to lose that.

Tom

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  3 18:51:03 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan  3 18:51:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Believe!
Message-ID: <000001c96e06$85334a40$8f99dec0$@com>

At the half - Cats up by 1 against MSU..

 

rsl

 

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Computer Applications & Support Associates

-------------------- Also ----------------------

Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)

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Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]

Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 

Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68

==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of 

government. It can only exist until the voters 

discover they can vote themselves largess out of 

the public treasury." -- attributed to

Alexis De Tocqueville - 18th cent. or maybe

Alexander Tytler by Ronald Regan, March 5, 1964.

================================================

 

From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Jan  3 19:32:48 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (michael.vance@att.net)
Date: Sat Jan  3 19:32:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Is it just me...
Message-ID: <010420090132.15401.496011C0000D8D7000003C2922230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A0C020E90D2040A0E080C0703@att.net>



 ...or was Shon Morris trying way too hard to be funny in the first half.  He's toned it down in the second -- maybe he's already used all of his jokes -- but he was unbearable in the first.


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From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Sat Jan  3 20:00:25 2009
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Sat Jan  3 20:00:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody job security
Message-ID: <4948139A6E0F44AA9E99A8749E9262DF@Latitude>

Henry doesn't step down until 9/1/09.  No one fires their basketball coach
in the fall.  Assuming the present trend continues throughout the season
(and I'm not suggesting it will or won't), does Bill nonetheless keep his
job through the 09-10 season?


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  3 20:10:43 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan  3 20:10:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody job security
In-Reply-To: <4948139A6E0F44AA9E99A8749E9262DF@Latitude>
References: <4948139A6E0F44AA9E99A8749E9262DF@Latitude>
Message-ID: <001001c96e11$a616a0d0$f243e270$@com>

I think BC's team, with some experience inside, will be really good next
year.... it's this year that's the trouble.

For Moore's sake, you almost wish he'd been hurt earlier in his career so he
could come back with Coble and Thompson for another year - Shurna and Rowley
just need more games inside.

rsl

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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of 
government. It can only exist until the voters 
discover they can vote themselves largess out of 
the public treasury." -- attributed to
Alexis De Tocqueville - 18th cent. or maybe
Alexander Tytler by Ronald Regan, March 5, 1964.
================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Peter C. Warner
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:00 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody job security

Henry doesn't step down until 9/1/09.  No one fires their basketball coach
in the fall.  Assuming the present trend continues throughout the season
(and I'm not suggesting it will or won't), does Bill nonetheless keep his
job through the 09-10 season?


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  3 20:17:10 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan  3 20:17:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Is it just me...
In-Reply-To: <010420090132.15401.496011C0000D8D7000003C2922230703629B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A0C020E90D2040A0E080C0703@att.net>
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Shon was trying not to appear as an NU "homer" -- altho I think he was
trying too hard.

Then again, everything he said during the game came true, so maybe he was
just being honest. The Cats played a decent first half - it's those 2nd half
runs that kill you.


rsl
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Behalf Of michael.vance@att.net
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 8:33 PM
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 ...or was Shon Morris trying way too hard to be funny in the first half.
He's toned it down in the second -- maybe he's already used all of his jokes
-- but he was unbearable in the first.


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  3 20:23:00 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan  3 20:23:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody job security
In-Reply-To: <A3C8C8BFDA7F40BD96D63E5B67FF6EDA@Latitude>
References: <4948139A6E0F44AA9E99A8749E9262DF@Latitude>
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If they don't fire him at the end of this season, and we still have a lot of
games left with some decent talent to play them, then I think he's got
another year.

Remember that the new guy would only stop the AD from doing something he
didn't agree with, not force and issue early. I honestly think you give BC
another year, but would be prepared to make a change in February is things
go south in 2010. I like BC's chances of getting it together with either
Rowley, Shurna or Mirkovic inside. One of them will step up by the end of
January, and then I think we see more inside play which opens everything
else up.

I noticed our Center way outside in the 2nd half tonight. That was where our
inside guys used to drain 3's/ I think Shurna has the shot, and the two
Croats should also be able to hit out there.

Thompson has to stop rushing shots - we couldn't run with MSU tonight and
the "little guy" just kept trying to force a 3 pointer without setting up.

Oh well.

rsl



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of 
government. It can only exist until the voters 
discover they can vote themselves largess out of 
the public treasury." -- attributed to
Alexis De Tocqueville - 18th cent. or maybe
Alexander Tytler by Ronald Regan, March 5, 1964.
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter C. Warner [mailto:pcw@warnerpatents.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:14 PM
To: 'Roy Lamberton'
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Carmody job security

Coach:  I take that as a yes? :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Lamberton [mailto:rstetson@capps-assoc.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:11 PM
To: 'Peter C. Warner'; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Carmody job security

I think BC's team, with some experience inside, will be really good next
year.... it's this year that's the trouble.

For Moore's sake, you almost wish he'd been hurt earlier in his career so he
could come back with Coble and Thompson for another year - Shurna and Rowley
just need more games inside.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of 
government. It can only exist until the voters 
discover they can vote themselves largess out of 
the public treasury." -- attributed to
Alexis De Tocqueville - 18th cent. or maybe
Alexander Tytler by Ronald Regan, March 5, 1964.
================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Peter C. Warner
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:00 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody job security

Henry doesn't step down until 9/1/09.  No one fires their basketball coach
in the fall.  Assuming the present trend continues throughout the season
(and I'm not suggesting it will or won't), does Bill nonetheless keep his
job through the 09-10 season?


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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Sat Jan  3 21:38:02 2009
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  3 21:38:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody job security
Message-ID: <c27.525718ab.3691891a@aol.com>

I hope BC sends 1/2 or 2/3 of each paycheck to Bienen (or some charity of  
Bienen's).  The man has stolen salary from us his whole career.
 
No other Major conference basketball coach has hung on for so long amidst  
such failure, thanks largely to a guardian angel
 
Any other Big Ten program (or any legitimate program, really), would have  
tossed him years ago.
 
Again, makes me yearn for Rich Falk and Kevin O'Neill (not quite for Bill  
Foster, though it's getting close)
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
 
In a message dated 1/3/2009 8:23:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
rstetson@capps-assoc.com writes:

If they  don't fire him at the end of this season, and we still have a lot of
games  left with some decent talent to play them, then I think he's got
another  year.

Remember that the new guy would only stop the AD from doing  something he
didn't agree with, not force and issue early. I honestly think  you give BC
another year, but would be prepared to make a change in  February is things
go south in 2010. I like BC's chances of getting it  together with either
Rowley, Shurna or Mirkovic inside. One of them will  step up by the end of
January, and then I think we see more inside play  which opens everything
else up.

I noticed our Center way outside in  the 2nd half tonight. That was where our
inside guys used to drain 3's/ I  think Shurna has the shot, and the two
Croats should also be able to hit  out there.

Thompson has to stop rushing shots - we couldn't run with  MSU tonight and
the "little guy" just kept trying to force a 3 pointer  without setting up.

Oh  well.

rsl



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-------------------- Also  ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox  Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior  Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 -  
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All   ===========
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of  
government. It can only exist until the voters 
discover they can vote  themselves largess out of 
the public treasury." -- attributed to
Alexis  De Tocqueville - 18th cent. or maybe
Alexander Tytler by Ronald Regan,  March 5,  1964.
================================================


-----Original  Message-----
From: Peter C. Warner [mailto:pcw@warnerpatents.com] 
Sent:  Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:14 PM
To: 'Roy Lamberton'
Subject: RE: [NU  Sports] Carmody job security

Coach:  I take that as a yes?  :)

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Lamberton  [mailto:rstetson@capps-assoc.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:11  PM
To: 'Peter C. Warner'; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU  Sports] Carmody job security

I think BC's team, with some experience  inside, will be really good next
year.... it's this year that's the  trouble.

For Moore's sake, you almost wish he'd been hurt earlier in  his career so he
could come back with Coble and Thompson for another year -  Shurna and Rowley
just need more games  inside.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy  S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications  & Support Associates
-------------------- Also  ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox  Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior  Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 -  
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All   ===========
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of  
government. It can only exist until the voters 
discover they can vote  themselves largess out of 
the public treasury." -- attributed to
Alexis  De Tocqueville - 18th cent. or maybe
Alexander Tytler by Ronald Regan,  March 5,  1964.
================================================

-----Original  Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com  [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Peter C. Warner
Sent:  Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:00 PM
To:  nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody job  security

Henry doesn't step down until 9/1/09.  No one fires their  basketball coach
in the fall.  Assuming the present trend continues  throughout the season
(and I'm not suggesting it will or won't), does Bill  nonetheless keep his
job through the 09-10  season?


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  3 23:09:12 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  3 23:09:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
In-Reply-To: <7668.37024.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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> Exactly. The fact that the regular season didn't leave
> us with an obvious Big 12 south champion doesn't change
> the fact that regular season games hold more importance in
> college football than in just about any other sport. 

There's a difference between regular season games being exciting and meaning something to the fans and regular season games being a sort-of playoff and meaningful in the championship race.

I will never dispute the former - college football has always  been and will always be an exciting game with rivalries, atmosphere and excitement that just can't be beat.

But this season really showed that the latter is pure fallacy. Utah went unbeaten. Texas finished with the same record as #1/2 and beat #1 on a neutral site. USC had the toughest out-of-league game (i.e. schedule they could control) and got a huge win and finished with the same record as #1/2. Yet none of those three had a shot at the championship. Their regular seasons meant nothing in terms of the title race.

And I really don't see how a playoff would diminish the regular season at all. It just seems to be something people cling to now that the academic and bowl tradition arguments are gone. College basketball is different because there are so many games. Football still has 11 or 12 games. It still has league rivalries and championships. If anything, a playoff makes the season MORE meaningful because those non-league games would also take on a huge significance as it gives you a chance to impress the selection committee and there would be incentive to schedule challenging foes instead of creampuffs.

Football's regular season games will always be meaningful. Even in the NFL, the Bears-Packers or Browns-Steelers rivalry games are huge. And regular season games between two good teams (Cowboys-Steelers, Panthers-Giants, etc. this year) are huge.

The Steelers had a run like the Big XII south this year of a gauntlet of games with the Colts, Giants, Cowboys, Chargers, Ravens etc. in consecutive weeks. These games were huge, meaningful and as entertaining as NFL games can be (not as entertaining as college, but that's not because of a playoff or bowls, that's just college football). The only difference was that the Steelers could still have a shot at the title even if they slipped up in one of those games. In college, some apparently can and some can't and it's maddening to fans to see how inconsistently it's decided -- not on a field but in the minds of a few coaches' assistants who are wowed by a box score or ESPN highlights (and not what happened on the field in the regular season).

> Part of that is, I think, because it's not all about
> getting into the playoffs. Alabama-Auburn,
> Oklahoma-Nebraska, OU-Texas, Michigan-OSU---those games are
> all huge to the fans of those teams regardless of what else
> happens. I'd hate to lose that.

How would that be lost? These games (aside from OU-UNL, but that's a Big XII issue) would still be played every year and would still be as meaningful as ever. Even more with playoff spots on the line, as they clearly would be some years. Michigan-Ohio State means something every year ... whether one's up for the BCS title game or one's not even going bowling. But the year it was #1 vs. #2 and essentially a playoff game, it meant even more.

Oh well, it's a fun discussion.:) Maybe enough talk will push for at least the Plus-One model ... anything to get out of this B-C-MESS. I certain that nothing will spoil the regular season of college football - bowls, B(C)S or playoffs ... that's always going to be there and it will be meaningful and exciting. The question is how do you end it all, and the way we have these past few seasons is just a bummer.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From s-hargadon at northwestern.edu  Fri Jan  2 10:24:19 2009
From: s-hargadon at northwestern.edu (Sean Hargadon)
Date: Sun Jan  4 09:10:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Your Best Shots
Message-ID: <B8336C11-A78D-4C77-BB8F-A5035E521C07@northwestern.edu>

Northwestern magazine is looking for Alamo Bowl fan photos.
We're putting together a photo essay on the bowl game for the  
upcoming spring issue, and we need shots of the atmosphere in San  
Antonio. If you have "purple" photos from the alumni tour, the  
tailgate or the game, please send your best shots to s- 
hargadon@northwestern.edu.
Thanks. Go 'CATS!
Sean
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sun Jan  4 10:21:12 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sun Jan  4 10:21:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Keyshawn in RB HOF?
Message-ID: <010420091621.15061.4960E1F80006439500003AD52216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

He may have been ineligible but he still played.  Without him, (and a couple of bad calls by the refs) NU would have won.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>
> In the run up to the Rose Bowl, the announcers mentioned that Keyshawn Johnson 
> was recently inducted into the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame.  I seem to recall that he 
> was academically ineligible for that game, so how did he qualify for the Hall of 
> Fame?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com <nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>
> To: sjtruog@yahoo.com <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Sat Jan 03 00:43:27 2009
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
> 
> I am still a proponent of the bowl system with some slight modifications
> (i.e. Plus One) as a playoff system would further divide college football
> into "haves" (traditional powers, like OSU, USC, Texas, Florida, etc.) and
> "have nots" - year in and year out there would be 7 "popular" teams and one
> outsider who managed to sneak in (this year, Utah) and the playoffs would
> look like NFL minor league.  The bowls allow the opportunity to put some
> interesting matchups on the field and reward teams that are part of a 120
> team league with absolutely no schedule balance - something that no other
> major sport has.  Yes, NCAA basketball tourney works well, but they can also
> play 2 games/week - something impossible in football.  Oh, and for those who
> want to run a playoff in conjunction with a bowls - get ready for stadiums
> much emptier than they are now - the bowls that are not part of the playoff
> will be worth even less than they are now - and neutral site games for
> anything but the national championship will sell precious few tickets
> (Minnesota is scrambling to sell tickets for its first home NFL playoff game
> in 8 years).
> 
> I would favor a reduction in the number of bowls and upping the requirement
> back up to a winning record in addition to the Plus One, but I realize the
> likelihood of either happening is close to nil.  The fact is that for the
> Plus One or any playoff system to work, it would require the vote of ALL
> NCAA Div. I presidents, which means for it to fly the revenue sharing would
> have to be much more equal than it is now.  The BCS is essentially collusion
> amongst the football powers to stage what they can without adding additional
> games to the schedule and keeping most of the money in house (obviously
> Congress forced them to give non-BCS schools an easier "in" and distribute
> the money annually).  It will basically take something drastic to push the
> BCS conferences into a position to give up the cash that's on the table now
> - especially after ESPN forked over a ton more cash than FOX.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:40 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> <sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > Back to football (yes, the interminable bowl season is still going on) ...
> >
> > Utah has just intercepted the Tide, sealing a win over mighty Alabama and
> > the untouchable SEC. All that speed and talent was ... on Utah tonight.
> >
> > They have dominated a team that was neck-in-neck with Florida just a month
> > ago in the "SEC title game for the ages."
> >
> > They are going to finish the season unbeaten. No one else will.
> >
> > So the question now goes to AP voters - how can you NOT rank Utah #1?
> >
> > As for the coaches and Harris/joke voters, how can you call your vote for
> > #1 a champion? Computers aren't the problem anymore with the BCS, the media
> > assistants who fill out the coaches poll and the made-up voters in the
> > Harris poll are.
> >
> > Especially if Florida wins the so-called title game next week?
> >
> > I guess the B(C)S folk have to hope Oklahoma beats Florida and Texas loses
> > to OSU ... but even then, how can you leave out Utah from the title mix (or
> > SC, who would have pounded the team that just beat Texas).
> >
> > B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
> >
> > Too bad Fox' announcers chose to suck-up to the company line that the BCS
> > is magical, wonderful and great for college football. ABC at least spent the
> > second half yesterday trashing the BCS system for not giving USC a shot. The
> > entire second half in New Orleans should have at least had ONE mention of
> > how Utah will be the sole unbeaten and manhandled a team from the SEC that
> > was #1 for weeks and went toe-to-toe with Florida. Nary a peep from the
> > puppets.
> >
> > Interesting how the only two relatively close or entertaining BCS games in
> > the last three years have involved the BCS busters. Even more reason for a
> > playoff for college football, the "great movie with a bad ending" as one
> > journalist described it this week.
> >
> > GO CATS!!!
> > -SjT
> >
> > PS - Kudos to John Hodges and Carl Rossi for picking the ultimate upset
> > special in the bowl pool with Utah!
> >
> > * * * * * * * * *
> > STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> > sjtruog@yahoo.com
> > GO CATS!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sun Jan  4 10:39:48 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sun Jan  4 10:39:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Keyshawn in RB HOF?
Message-ID: <010420091639.10985.4960E6540005C86D00002AE92216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

I remember when Brent M was doing a game with Ira Parseghian and laughing about an NU score where we were getting blown out and laughing about it.  Ira asked him what was so funny since NU was his school.  That shut him up briefly.  That guy is a dolt and the fewer people who know he went to NU th better.  someone should take any reference to him out of future football media guides.  Both  Herbstreit who went to OSU Griese who went to Purdue show more class then Brent.

John DeGroat 

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> Not to cast doubt on Mr. Johnson, but I wonder how much he's contributed to both 
> his Alma Mater's sports program, AND the Rose Committee over the years?
> 
> The ineligible tag only works if the game was played AFTER the start of spring 
> or winter classes, unless the coach chooses to pull a kid's eligibility prior to 
> those dates. 
> 
> Mr. Johnson was obviously a high draft pick going into that game. No coach of 
> any college (except NU, State Penn, Rice, SMU, Vandy, and maybe Duke) would 
> screw up a kid's chances to reflect well on their school on Sunday.
> 
> Someof our big line recruits point to Luis Castillo and Barry Cofield as reasons 
> they considered the Cats. The USC guys back then knew that Keyshawn was going to 
> be a good recruiting tool for more wide outs. They took the only course 
> possible, interpret the "rules" so Johnson could play.
> 
> Randy Walker was the only coach I can remember, who removed a kid from the bowl 
> team due to academics. Florida may have done the same thing a few years back.
> 
> In any case, I haven't seen any attempt to force the NCAA or Rose Committee to 
> change the outcome of that game, not that Brett (don't tell anyone I went to NU) 
> Mussberger would ever mention Johnson's academic status. He's too busy trying to 
> help Texas into the BCS title game every year.
> 
> It is too bad Brett didn't call the Alamo Bowl. I wonder if we'd have seen so 
> many pictures of Mom at the end of the game and it's too bad they couldn't find 
> any NU families on the sidelines - I know we have a few moms who are just as 
> animated....
> 
> rsl 
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
> Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> "A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of 
> government. It can only exist until the voters 
> discover they can vote themselves largess out of 
> the public treasury." -- attributed to
> Alexis De Tocqueville - 18th cent. or maybe
> Alexander Tytler by Ronald Regan, March 5, 1964.
> ================================================
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf 
> Of Beamsley, Jeff
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 11:21 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Keyshawn in RB HOF?
> 
> In the run up to the Rose Bowl, the announcers mentioned that Keyshawn Johnson 
> was recently inducted into the Rose Bowl Hall of Fame.  I seem to recall that he 
> was academically ineligible for that game, so how did he qualify for the Hall of 
> Fame?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com <nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>
> To: sjtruog@yahoo.com <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> Cc: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Sat Jan 03 00:43:27 2009
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
> 
> I am still a proponent of the bowl system with some slight modifications
> (i.e. Plus One) as a playoff system would further divide college football
> into "haves" (traditional powers, like OSU, USC, Texas, Florida, etc.) and
> "have nots" - year in and year out there would be 7 "popular" teams and one
> outsider who managed to sneak in (this year, Utah) and the playoffs would
> look like NFL minor league.  The bowls allow the opportunity to put some
> interesting matchups on the field and reward teams that are part of a 120
> team league with absolutely no schedule balance - something that no other
> major sport has.  Yes, NCAA basketball tourney works well, but they can also
> play 2 games/week - something impossible in football.  Oh, and for those who
> want to run a playoff in conjunction with a bowls - get ready for stadiums
> much emptier than they are now - the bowls that are not part of the playoff
> will be worth even less than they are now - and neutral site games for
> anything but the national championship will sell precious few tickets
> (Minnesota is scrambling to sell tickets for its first home NFL playoff game
> in 8 years).
> 
> I would favor a reduction in the number of bowls and upping the requirement
> back up to a winning record in addition to the Plus One, but I realize the
> likelihood of either happening is close to nil.  The fact is that for the
> Plus One or any playoff system to work, it would require the vote of ALL
> NCAA Div. I presidents, which means for it to fly the revenue sharing would
> have to be much more equal than it is now.  The BCS is essentially collusion
> amongst the football powers to stage what they can without adding additional
> games to the schedule and keeping most of the money in house (obviously
> Congress forced them to give non-BCS schools an easier "in" and distribute
> the money annually).  It will basically take something drastic to push the
> BCS conferences into a position to give up the cash that's on the table now
> - especially after ESPN forked over a ton more cash than FOX.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:40 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> <sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> > Back to football (yes, the interminable bowl season is still going on) ...
> >
> > Utah has just intercepted the Tide, sealing a win over mighty Alabama and
> > the untouchable SEC. All that speed and talent was ... on Utah tonight.
> >
> > They have dominated a team that was neck-in-neck with Florida just a month
> > ago in the "SEC title game for the ages."
> >
> > They are going to finish the season unbeaten. No one else will.
> >
> > So the question now goes to AP voters - how can you NOT rank Utah #1?
> >
> > As for the coaches and Harris/joke voters, how can you call your vote for
> > #1 a champion? Computers aren't the problem anymore with the BCS, the media
> > assistants who fill out the coaches poll and the made-up voters in the
> > Harris poll are.
> >
> > Especially if Florida wins the so-called title game next week?
> >
> > I guess the B(C)S folk have to hope Oklahoma beats Florida and Texas loses
> > to OSU ... but even then, how can you leave out Utah from the title mix (or
> > SC, who would have pounded the team that just beat Texas).
> >
> > B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
> >
> > Too bad Fox' announcers chose to suck-up to the company line that the BCS
> > is magical, wonderful and great for college football. ABC at least spent the
> > second half yesterday trashing the BCS system for not giving USC a shot. The
> > entire second half in New Orleans should have at least had ONE mention of
> > how Utah will be the sole unbeaten and manhandled a team from the SEC that
> > was #1 for weeks and went toe-to-toe with Florida. Nary a peep from the
> > puppets.
> >
> > Interesting how the only two relatively close or entertaining BCS games in
> > the last three years have involved the BCS busters. Even more reason for a
> > playoff for college football, the "great movie with a bad ending" as one
> > journalist described it this week.
> >
> > GO CATS!!!
> > -SjT
> >
> > PS - Kudos to John Hodges and Carl Rossi for picking the ultimate upset
> > special in the bowl pool with Utah!
> >
> > * * * * * * * * *
> > STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> > sjtruog@yahoo.com
> > GO CATS!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sun Jan  4 10:50:49 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sun Jan  4 10:51:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody job security
Message-ID: <010420091650.28299.4960E8E90009A39D00006E8B2216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

We can all make excuses for Carmody but the reality is that he hasn't cut it.  Watching the MSU game, when we fell behind he took his usual position of sitting on his butt with his legs crossed sending the message that we're going to lose and I quit.  The players can read body language too.  When he leaves the only way the program will improve is to spend enough money to acquire a Tubby Smith just as Minnesota did.

John DeGroat
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From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> I think BC's team, with some experience inside, will be really good next
> year.... it's this year that's the trouble.
> 
> For Moore's sake, you almost wish he'd been hurt earlier in his career so he
> could come back with Coble and Thompson for another year - Shurna and Rowley
> just need more games inside.
> 
> rsl
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> Behalf Of Peter C. Warner
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:00 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody job security
> 
> Henry doesn't step down until 9/1/09.  No one fires their basketball coach
> in the fall.  Assuming the present trend continues throughout the season
> (and I'm not suggesting it will or won't), does Bill nonetheless keep his
> job through the 09-10 season?
> 
> 
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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Sun Jan  4 10:49:26 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Sun Jan  4 10:51:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
Message-ID: <20090104.104926.11095.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

This is a NU sports list.  The better question is how does a playoff system affect NU?

The bowl system in its current screwed up incarnation is unfortunately the best for NU.  For us ANY bowl game is a positive and the fact that we can go 6-6 and with the BCS at-large still go to Detroit/Tempe is a good thing.

With a playoff I see the minor bowls dying and given the fact that we are not often in the top 16(largest playoff scenario) often we would more than likely be always home for the holidays.

I wish we could go back to pre-BCS days as a "national championship" is a meaningless and still not without controversy no matter what scenario you come up with.

If we were one of the likely suspects(OSU, USC, etc.) and had a home playoff game in late December this would be a miserable experience for the people in the stands(I would be there)!  If you had all "away" games for northern teams, which is what the current bowl system provides the fans would have trouble with travel plans.  Personally we have to reserve a kennel, schedule vacations, and buy plane tickets all which are non-trivial.

No scenario besides the current one benefits NU!

Please argue against that statement from a NU fan, team, or student-athlete perspective!

-- "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:
<snip>
And I really don't see how a playoff would diminish the regular season at all.

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Jan  4 11:17:16 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Jan  4 11:17:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <200901041717.n04HHGbp015496@romaine.tssi.com>

> With a playoff I see the minor bowls dying and given the fact that we are not often in the top 16(largest playoff scenario) often we would more than likely be always home for the holidays.

They said that expanding the NCAA tournament to 48, then 64, then 65 would
kill off the NIT, which didn't happen.

As long as ESPN can make money doing minor bowl games and teams (including
their fans) that don't make the playoffs continue to value bowl appearances 
(as NU should and even Notre Dame learned is necessary), they'll continue 
to prosper.  

The value of those 15 extra practices and the additional publicity to
recruits is worth enough to the schools that many of them would probably
accept a bowl appearance even if it paid zilch.

The near-dead economy is a far bigger threat to the bowl games, because
they have to have a both a sponsor and a TV contract to be sanctioned by
the NCAA.  However, local tourism boards are rapidly becoming the sponsor 
of choice (possibly by default) for the minor bowls and possibly even the
middling bowls.  
--
Mike Nolan

From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan  4 11:24:02 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Jan  4 11:24:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody job security
References: <010420091650.28299.4960E8E90009A39D00006E8B2216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C85DCB278AA44654A424CAE2B6B0D803@DennisMachine>

> We can all make excuses for Carmody but the reality is that he hasn't cut 
> it.  Watching the MSU game, when we fell behind he took his usual position 
> of sitting on his butt with his legs crossed sending the message that 
> we're going to lose and I quit.  The players can read body language too. 
> When he leaves the only way the program will improve is to spend enough 
> money to acquire a Tubby Smith just as Minnesota did.
>
As a coach, Carmody is excellent.  His teams play about as well as their 
talent allows.  As a recruiter, he sucks at the Big 10 level because he 
never pulls in players who are great athletes.  As we saw again last night, 
Michigan State is a far more talented team than NU, a statement that has 
been almost universally true of our opponents since I matriculated in 1964. 
Talent, talent, talent.  We have some, more than in past years, but still 
not nearly enough to compete for an NCAA berth, although we might pull off 
an upset or two.  Carmody recruited height, but he didn't recruit 
rebounders, which is what has caused us to be 0 - 2 and likely 0 - 7 before 
we get to Indiana.  Shurna has possibilities, but Rowley is a project on the 
scale of the Hoover Dam.  We have no go-to guy to break down a defense, 
little speed relatively speaking (and we're faster now than ever), we don't 
jump well, we have no muscle except Rowley and he is painfully slow, most 
often we cannot finish a fast-break (except maybe Thompson), and we're lucky 
if we pull down one contended board in ten tries.  That describes forty-four 
NU basketball teams for me.  Enough already. 

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Jan  4 11:38:17 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Jan  4 11:38:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody job security
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I was a former Carmody supporter - until after last season at which time I
promptly jumped off of the bandwagon.  Yes, he is a stand-up guy who runs
the program the right way but the fact is that his greatest success came
during the first 4 years of his tenure at NU - and even then NU couldn't
make it to the postseason.  And yes, he's probably the most successful BB
coach in recent NU history - but that isn't saying much by a long shot.

The fact is that every year that mythical postseason trip is "a year away."
We've seen his young recruits hit the floor year after year only to plateau,
drop off, or leave the program in subsequent seasons.  And we've also seen
the famous Princeton offense fail NU time and time again - defenses know how
to adjust and force NU into taking long 3-pointers, and although NU has some
decent shooters, that just isn't the way to be successful in an entire
season.

If NU were to get a new head coach that runs a more traditional offensive
scheme, there would be an immediate drop-off since the current players are
suited for the Princeton system, but I would argue that things just aren't
getting any better now and it's time for a change.  8+ seasons has been
plenty of time to bring in multiple sets of recruiting classes and teach the
offensive scheme, but the results aren't there.  As one can see with Duke,
Stanford, Vandy, etc. there is no excuse not to field a respectable, if not
very good, BB team even as a small academic-centered institution.

I'm not a proponent of mid-season firings at the college level, so if
Carmody doesn't deliver this year he should be out the door.  There is
really no excuse any more.

Jonathan

On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Peter C. Warner <pcw@warnerpatents.com>wrote:

> Henry doesn't step down until 9/1/09.  No one fires their basketball coach
> in the fall.  Assuming the present trend continues throughout the season
> (and I'm not suggesting it will or won't), does Bill nonetheless keep his
> job through the 09-10 season?
>
>
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 13:47:37 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sun Jan  4 13:47:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I agree with Maureen 100 percent
Message-ID: <968672.36084.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hardly need to add anything. Bring back the great New Year;'s Day with the five big bowls and let the football factories argue who's the "mythical" national champ. 

bw

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  4 19:11:15 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Jan  4 19:11:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
In-Reply-To: <20090104.104926.11095.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <602917.45415.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> This is a NU sports list.  The better question is how does a
> playoff system affect NU?

Fair point - and don't worry because with school back in session tomorrow I won't have nearly as much time to rant against the B(C)S.:)

I don't think it makes much of a difference for NU either way. We're in a power conference. If we do our job in league play, we get a shot. In 1995, we got a shot at a major bowl and we would have been in a playoff as well.

As for the 7-5 ot 6-6 years with minor bowls, like I said, a playoff doesn't have to mean the end of bowls. The non B(C)S bowls are meaningless now and still go on, so why wouldn't they in a playoff?

Another option might be what the Peach Bowl seems to be doing now in Atlanta - sponsoring a showdown ("bowl") at the start of the year instead of the end. Last year it was Clemson-Bama. This year it's VaTech and Bama, I believe. But some sites might opt to do that and get more publicity, while others wait until December to hold their holiday bowls. It'd be the same basic premise where the playoff committee releases teams for bowls to select and keeps 8 or 4 in a playoff.

> The bowl system in its current screwed up incarnation is
> unfortunately the best for NU.  For us ANY bowl game is a

Is it? Say we have another magical "Purple to Pasadena" year and go 11-1, rolling through the Big Ten at 8-0. But because the Big Ten is considered a weaker league than the SEC or Big XII, their two teams get into the so-called title game and we get frozen out.

> With a playoff I see the minor bowls dying and given the
> fact that we are not often in the top 16(largest playoff

So are we Wildcat fans against the NCAA Tournament then since NU never has made it?

> No scenario besides the current one benefits NU!
> 
I don't see how this one benefits us much either. And it certainly doesn't benefit football fans.

> Please argue against that statement from a NU fan, team, or
> student-athlete perspective!

NU fan: I want my team to have a shot at the championship when we win our next league title at 11-1 or 12-0, not get frozen out because some  intern who filled out the coach's ballot has never heard of NU, doesn't like the Big Ten or is more wowed by a 61-41 win than a hard-fought 13-6 defensive struggle because it has more cool highlights on Sports Center.

Team: We play for competition and to be the best - we want a chance to prove that on the field, not by having our coach whine in the press conference or having to score meaningless fourth-quarter touchdowns to run it up on an inferior foe we've already put away, this exposing our stars to more risk of injury.

Student-athlete: They already make me play Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night games. They already extend my season well beyond the first semester finals into January to make money with games after New Year's Day. They already have made this sport a year-round one with spring drills, summer camps and an ever-lengthened season. Shouldn't those last games at least mean something?

OK, OK - I'll drop it for now.:) Just remember that the bowl system isn't linked to the B(C)S - so NU really has been affected as much by the B(C)S as we have from March Madness at this point. But the day WILL come when we'll be in both:), and I think that having the chance to prove it on the court in hoops will be far more satisfying and meaningful to our fans and athletes than having to navigate the B-C-MESS.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Jan  4 20:47:01 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun Jan  4 20:47:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
References: <602917.45415.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE02084E2C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Stephen,
 
Perhaps I can tempt you with one more thought on the subject.
 
I agree that NU's goal and the goal of every school participating in the BCS system, should be to play for the national championship.  Every year, however, there are teams (Utah this year) who demonstrate that they are worthy, but never get a shot.  You've done a great job listing the reasons why.
 
If we had a playoff system where each BCS representative had an opportunity to play their way into a national championship, then NU would automatically get a shot by winning the BT.  That would be interesting.  But I don't think that it will ever happen, again for all the reasons that you've listed.
 
So I'm suggesting (and I think this might be the point of the other posts) that the whole Hoosiers concept of "the little team that could" ever getting a shot at a national championship is a fantasy under the current system.
 
Since we aren't and are likely never to become a traditional football power like Mich or OSU, I suggest it is in the BT and NU's favor to limit the number of BCS games and have as many non-BCS bowl games as the market can support.  That way every BT team with at least a 6-6 record is guaranteed a post season game and all of the benefits associated with it.  For that to succeed, it's best that the BCS continue to be a limited, flawed, and frustrating system producing boring over-hyped games.  That provides an opportunity for all the "other" bowls to focus on entertaining games (like the Alamo Bowl) that are well attended and deliver good TV ratings.
 
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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Sun 1/4/2009 8:11 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com; mlinhardt@netzero.com
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!



> This is a NU sports list.  The better question is how does a
> playoff system affect NU?

Fair point - and don't worry because with school back in session tomorrow I won't have nearly as much time to rant against the B(C)S.:)

I don't think it makes much of a difference for NU either way. We're in a power conference. If we do our job in league play, we get a shot. In 1995, we got a shot at a major bowl and we would have been in a playoff as well.

As for the 7-5 ot 6-6 years with minor bowls, like I said, a playoff doesn't have to mean the end of bowls. The non B(C)S bowls are meaningless now and still go on, so why wouldn't they in a playoff?

Another option might be what the Peach Bowl seems to be doing now in Atlanta - sponsoring a showdown ("bowl") at the start of the year instead of the end. Last year it was Clemson-Bama. This year it's VaTech and Bama, I believe. But some sites might opt to do that and get more publicity, while others wait until December to hold their holiday bowls. It'd be the same basic premise where the playoff committee releases teams for bowls to select and keeps 8 or 4 in a playoff.

> The bowl system in its current screwed up incarnation is
> unfortunately the best for NU.  For us ANY bowl game is a

Is it? Say we have another magical "Purple to Pasadena" year and go 11-1, rolling through the Big Ten at 8-0. But because the Big Ten is considered a weaker league than the SEC or Big XII, their two teams get into the so-called title game and we get frozen out.

> With a playoff I see the minor bowls dying and given the
> fact that we are not often in the top 16(largest playoff

So are we Wildcat fans against the NCAA Tournament then since NU never has made it?

> No scenario besides the current one benefits NU!
>
I don't see how this one benefits us much either. And it certainly doesn't benefit football fans.

> Please argue against that statement from a NU fan, team, or
> student-athlete perspective!

NU fan: I want my team to have a shot at the championship when we win our next league title at 11-1 or 12-0, not get frozen out because some  intern who filled out the coach's ballot has never heard of NU, doesn't like the Big Ten or is more wowed by a 61-41 win than a hard-fought 13-6 defensive struggle because it has more cool highlights on Sports Center.

Team: We play for competition and to be the best - we want a chance to prove that on the field, not by having our coach whine in the press conference or having to score meaningless fourth-quarter touchdowns to run it up on an inferior foe we've already put away, this exposing our stars to more risk of injury.

Student-athlete: They already make me play Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night games. They already extend my season well beyond the first semester finals into January to make money with games after New Year's Day. They already have made this sport a year-round one with spring drills, summer camps and an ever-lengthened season. Shouldn't those last games at least mean something?

OK, OK - I'll drop it for now.:) Just remember that the bowl system isn't linked to the B(C)S - so NU really has been affected as much by the B(C)S as we have from March Madness at this point. But the day WILL come when we'll be in both:), and I think that having the chance to prove it on the court in hoops will be far more satisfying and meaningful to our fans and athletes than having to navigate the B-C-MESS.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


     

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From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Jan  4 23:25:03 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Jan  4 23:25:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
In-Reply-To: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE02084E2C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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OK, I'm going to throw one more thought out there.  I wish that everyone 
-- the powers that run the show, the fans, the media, the coaches -- 
could figure out the right balance between human polls and computer 
rankings.  The problem is that a few years back (was it when Oklahoma 
got into the title game despite losing their conference championship 
game?) the strength of the computer rankings overrode the human polls 
and no one liked that.

Then we get years like this where groups of pollsters have to make a 
collective (and very difficult) decision about who to rank higher and 
the simple fact is that most humans will *not* use the same criteria, 
equally weighted, from one week to the next. They just won't.  As 
Stephen points out, they will be affected by margin of victory, home 
field vs. neutral field, whether a team had a week off, whether a team 
dominated line play or had a spectacular special teams effort, or any 
other of the million factors that come into evaluating the teams and 
filling out a ballot. They will have different methods of resolving 
conundrums like the OU/UT/TT round robin.  The "benefit" of the 
computers isn't that they aren't biased (they carry the biases of their 
developer), it's that their biases do not change over the course of the 
season.

In theory, the diversity of the human polls should level out the 
differences and produce a consensus result. The problem is the 
relentless media noise that tells each one how they *should* be voting 
ends up skewing the human polls in that direction.

I don't claim to know the right answer, but I get sick of the same 
people whining about the computers one year and the pollsters the next.

-Michael

Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> Stephen,
>  
> Perhaps I can tempt you with one more thought on the subject.
>  
> I agree that NU's goal and the goal of every school participating in the BCS system, should be to play for the national championship.  Every year, however, there are teams (Utah this year) who demonstrate that they are worthy, but never get a shot.  You've done a great job listing the reasons why.
>  
> If we had a playoff system where each BCS representative had an opportunity to play their way into a national championship, then NU would automatically get a shot by winning the BT.  That would be interesting.  But I don't think that it will ever happen, again for all the reasons that you've listed.
>  
> So I'm suggesting (and I think this might be the point of the other posts) that the whole Hoosiers concept of "the little team that could" ever getting a shot at a national championship is a fantasy under the current system.
>  
> Since we aren't and are likely never to become a traditional football power like Mich or OSU, I suggest it is in the BT and NU's favor to limit the number of BCS games and have as many non-BCS bowl games as the market can support.  That way every BT team with at least a 6-6 record is guaranteed a post season game and all of the benefits associated with it.  For that to succeed, it's best that the BCS continue to be a limited, flawed, and frustrating system producing boring over-hyped games.  That provides an opportunity for all the "other" bowls to focus on entertaining games (like the Alamo Bowl) that are well attended and deliver good TV ratings.
>  
> Jeff
>  
>  
>  
>  
>
>
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>
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> Sent: Sun 1/4/2009 8:11 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com; mlinhardt@netzero.com
> Cc: maureen@foresitewireless.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
>
>
>
>   
>> This is a NU sports list.  The better question is how does a
>> playoff system affect NU?
>>     
>
> Fair point - and don't worry because with school back in session tomorrow I won't have nearly as much time to rant against the B(C)S.:)
>
> I don't think it makes much of a difference for NU either way. We're in a power conference. If we do our job in league play, we get a shot. In 1995, we got a shot at a major bowl and we would have been in a playoff as well.
>
> As for the 7-5 ot 6-6 years with minor bowls, like I said, a playoff doesn't have to mean the end of bowls. The non B(C)S bowls are meaningless now and still go on, so why wouldn't they in a playoff?
>
> Another option might be what the Peach Bowl seems to be doing now in Atlanta - sponsoring a showdown ("bowl") at the start of the year instead of the end. Last year it was Clemson-Bama. This year it's VaTech and Bama, I believe. But some sites might opt to do that and get more publicity, while others wait until December to hold their holiday bowls. It'd be the same basic premise where the playoff committee releases teams for bowls to select and keeps 8 or 4 in a playoff.
>
>   
>> The bowl system in its current screwed up incarnation is
>> unfortunately the best for NU.  For us ANY bowl game is a
>>     
>
> Is it? Say we have another magical "Purple to Pasadena" year and go 11-1, rolling through the Big Ten at 8-0. But because the Big Ten is considered a weaker league than the SEC or Big XII, their two teams get into the so-called title game and we get frozen out.
>
>   
>> With a playoff I see the minor bowls dying and given the
>> fact that we are not often in the top 16(largest playoff
>>     
>
> So are we Wildcat fans against the NCAA Tournament then since NU never has made it?
>
>   
>> No scenario besides the current one benefits NU!
>>
>>     
> I don't see how this one benefits us much either. And it certainly doesn't benefit football fans.
>
>   
>> Please argue against that statement from a NU fan, team, or
>> student-athlete perspective!
>>     
>
> NU fan: I want my team to have a shot at the championship when we win our next league title at 11-1 or 12-0, not get frozen out because some  intern who filled out the coach's ballot has never heard of NU, doesn't like the Big Ten or is more wowed by a 61-41 win than a hard-fought 13-6 defensive struggle because it has more cool highlights on Sports Center.
>
> Team: We play for competition and to be the best - we want a chance to prove that on the field, not by having our coach whine in the press conference or having to score meaningless fourth-quarter touchdowns to run it up on an inferior foe we've already put away, this exposing our stars to more risk of injury.
>
> Student-athlete: They already make me play Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night games. They already extend my season well beyond the first semester finals into January to make money with games after New Year's Day. They already have made this sport a year-round one with spring drills, summer camps and an ever-lengthened season. Shouldn't those last games at least mean something?
>
> OK, OK - I'll drop it for now.:) Just remember that the bowl system isn't linked to the B(C)S - so NU really has been affected as much by the B(C)S as we have from March Madness at this point. But the day WILL come when we'll be in both:), and I think that having the chance to prove it on the court in hoops will be far more satisfying and meaningful to our fans and athletes than having to navigate the B-C-MESS.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
>      
>
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Mon Jan  5 04:50:55 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Jan  5 04:51:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
Message-ID: <010520091050.18405.4961E60F00061FE8000047E52215575474090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

The so-called minor bowls are likely to die off as corporations cut back on their  spending.  Look at the heat that CitiCorp and GM are taking for their sports sponsorship.  Companies don't like unfavorable publicity so others will drop their sponsorships of sporting events rather than be criticized for spending on sports events..

John DeGroat  


 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> > This is a NU sports list.  The better question is how does a
> > playoff system affect NU?
> 
> Fair point - and don't worry because with school back in session tomorrow I 
> won't have nearly as much time to rant against the B(C)S.:)
> 
> I don't think it makes much of a difference for NU either way. We're in a power 
> conference. If we do our job in league play, we get a shot. In 1995, we got a 
> shot at a major bowl and we would have been in a playoff as well.
> 
> As for the 7-5 ot 6-6 years with minor bowls, like I said, a playoff doesn't 
> have to mean the end of bowls. The non B(C)S bowls are meaningless now and still 
> go on, so why wouldn't they in a playoff?
> 
> Another option might be what the Peach Bowl seems to be doing now in Atlanta - 
> sponsoring a showdown ("bowl") at the start of the year instead of the end. Last 
> year it was Clemson-Bama. This year it's VaTech and Bama, I believe. But some 
> sites might opt to do that and get more publicity, while others wait until 
> December to hold their holiday bowls. It'd be the same basic premise where the 
> playoff committee releases teams for bowls to select and keeps 8 or 4 in a 
> playoff.
> 
> > The bowl system in its current screwed up incarnation is
> > unfortunately the best for NU.  For us ANY bowl game is a
> 
> Is it? Say we have another magical "Purple to Pasadena" year and go 11-1, 
> rolling through the Big Ten at 8-0. But because the Big Ten is considered a 
> weaker league than the SEC or Big XII, their two teams get into the so-called 
> title game and we get frozen out.
> 
> > With a playoff I see the minor bowls dying and given the
> > fact that we are not often in the top 16(largest playoff
> 
> So are we Wildcat fans against the NCAA Tournament then since NU never has made 
> it?
> 
> > No scenario besides the current one benefits NU!
> > 
> I don't see how this one benefits us much either. And it certainly doesn't 
> benefit football fans.
> 
> > Please argue against that statement from a NU fan, team, or
> > student-athlete perspective!
> 
> NU fan: I want my team to have a shot at the championship when we win our next 
> league title at 11-1 or 12-0, not get frozen out because some  intern who filled 
> out the coach's ballot has never heard of NU, doesn't like the Big Ten or is 
> more wowed by a 61-41 win than a hard-fought 13-6 defensive struggle because it 
> has more cool highlights on Sports Center.
> 
> Team: We play for competition and to be the best - we want a chance to prove 
> that on the field, not by having our coach whine in the press conference or 
> having to score meaningless fourth-quarter touchdowns to run it up on an 
> inferior foe we've already put away, this exposing our stars to more risk of 
> injury.
> 
> Student-athlete: They already make me play Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night 
> games. They already extend my season well beyond the first semester finals into 
> January to make money with games after New Year's Day. They already have made 
> this sport a year-round one with spring drills, summer camps and an 
> ever-lengthened season. Shouldn't those last games at least mean something?
> 
> OK, OK - I'll drop it for now.:) Just remember that the bowl system isn't linked 
> to the B(C)S - so NU really has been affected as much by the B(C)S as we have 
> from March Madness at this point. But the day WILL come when we'll be in both:), 
> and I think that having the chance to prove it on the court in hoops will be far 
> more satisfying and meaningful to our fans and athletes than having to navigate 
> the B-C-MESS.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
> 
>       
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Mon Jan  5 11:44:02 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Mon Jan  5 11:44:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
In-Reply-To: <010520091050.18405.4961E60F00061FE8000047E52215575474090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
References: <010520091050.18405.4961E60F00061FE8000047E52215575474090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <496246E2.8030207@northwestern.edu>

People have been making predictions like this for years and years, and 
they have never come true. I remember being told in the 1990s that 18 
bowls were "too many" and that the number would go down soon for 
economic reasons, etc., etc. Guess what? Now there are almost twice as many.

Obviously there is a ceiling (and we must be getting close to it, since 
many bowls are forced to choose MAC or Sun Belt teams as at-large 
selections because those are the only eligible teams left), and the 
current economy may have an impact, but even that crisis is only "for 
now." Plenty of bowls have died over the years only to be replaced by 
two or three others. Other bowls lose the sponsorship of one corporation 
only to gain the sponsorship of another one. (Oh, and Citicorp and GM 
are primarily taking "heat" for things completely unrelated to their 
sponsorship choices, but that's a topic equally unrelated to this list...)

Getting back to the context of this discussion, if a minor bowl is 
financially viable, it will be viable no matter what the top 4 or 8 or 
16 teams in the country are doing elsewhere. There's simply nothing in 
reality to suggest that a playoff would kill the minor bowls.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> The so-called minor bowls are likely to die off as corporations cut back on their  spending.  Look at the heat that CitiCorp and GM are taking for their sports sponsorship.  Companies don't like unfavorable publicity so others will drop their sponsorships of sporting events rather than be criticized for spending on sports events..
>
> John DeGroat
>   

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Jan  5 12:42:22 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Jan  5 12:42:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
In-Reply-To: <496246E2.8030207@northwestern.edu>
References: <010520091050.18405.4961E60F00061FE8000047E52215575474090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
	<496246E2.8030207@northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE0385BC3B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I agree that the bowl "formula" seems to work in just about anywhere
that you have an available stadium, some civic-minded people, available
holiday hotel space, and some sponsorship.

The Motor City Bowl, for example, has been going strong for 10 years.
So even though they have a cold weather location in a "third world" city
and didn't have a BT team this year, they still drew over 40K.  They
lost Chrysler as a sponsor and added the Carpenter's Union.  The group
that runs it is headed up by George Perles and Ken Hoffman (both from
MSU).  When asked this year about sponsorship, Perles said that they had
other organizations lined up to step in if Ford and/or GM left.  

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Eric West
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:44 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!

People have been making predictions like this for years and years, and
they have never come true. I remember being told in the 1990s that 18
bowls were "too many" and that the number would go down soon for
economic reasons, etc., etc. Guess what? Now there are almost twice as
many.

Obviously there is a ceiling (and we must be getting close to it, since
many bowls are forced to choose MAC or Sun Belt teams as at-large
selections because those are the only eligible teams left), and the
current economy may have an impact, but even that crisis is only "for
now." Plenty of bowls have died over the years only to be replaced by
two or three others. Other bowls lose the sponsorship of one corporation
only to gain the sponsorship of another one. (Oh, and Citicorp and GM
are primarily taking "heat" for things completely unrelated to their
sponsorship choices, but that's a topic equally unrelated to this
list...)

Getting back to the context of this discussion, if a minor bowl is
financially viable, it will be viable no matter what the top 4 or 8 or
16 teams in the country are doing elsewhere. There's simply nothing in
reality to suggest that a playoff would kill the minor bowls.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> The so-called minor bowls are likely to die off as corporations cut
back on their  spending.  Look at the heat that CitiCorp and GM are
taking for their sports sponsorship.  Companies don't like unfavorable
publicity so others will drop their sponsorships of sporting events
rather than be criticized for spending on sports events..
>
> John DeGroat
>   

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan  5 16:26:33 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan  5 16:26:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
In-Reply-To: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE0385BC3B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <010520091050.18405.4961E60F00061FE8000047E52215575474090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>	<496246E2.8030207@northwestern.edu>
	<E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE0385BC3B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <000601c96f84$a9fcc110$fdf64330$@com>

If I was a carpenter I'd be all worked up about the union "wasting" my money
on marketing....

Sorry folks it works both ways - Citi and GM sell products to thekinds of
people who watch and attend football games. Sponsoring a bowl is a form of
marketing...

Unless we want the government to sponsor all these things - oh yes, that was
tried in Italy around 0 BC.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
A Few Political Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
Why do we keep trying?
================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:42 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!

I agree that the bowl "formula" seems to work in just about anywhere
that you have an available stadium, some civic-minded people, available
holiday hotel space, and some sponsorship.

The Motor City Bowl, for example, has been going strong for 10 years.
So even though they have a cold weather location in a "third world" city
and didn't have a BT team this year, they still drew over 40K.  They
lost Chrysler as a sponsor and added the Carpenter's Union.  The group
that runs it is headed up by George Perles and Ken Hoffman (both from
MSU).  When asked this year about sponsorship, Perles said that they had
other organizations lined up to step in if Ford and/or GM left.  

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Eric West
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:44 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!

People have been making predictions like this for years and years, and
they have never come true. I remember being told in the 1990s that 18
bowls were "too many" and that the number would go down soon for
economic reasons, etc., etc. Guess what? Now there are almost twice as
many.

Obviously there is a ceiling (and we must be getting close to it, since
many bowls are forced to choose MAC or Sun Belt teams as at-large
selections because those are the only eligible teams left), and the
current economy may have an impact, but even that crisis is only "for
now." Plenty of bowls have died over the years only to be replaced by
two or three others. Other bowls lose the sponsorship of one corporation
only to gain the sponsorship of another one. (Oh, and Citicorp and GM
are primarily taking "heat" for things completely unrelated to their
sponsorship choices, but that's a topic equally unrelated to this
list...)

Getting back to the context of this discussion, if a minor bowl is
financially viable, it will be viable no matter what the top 4 or 8 or
16 teams in the country are doing elsewhere. There's simply nothing in
reality to suggest that a playoff would kill the minor bowls.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> The so-called minor bowls are likely to die off as corporations cut
back on their  spending.  Look at the heat that CitiCorp and GM are
taking for their sports sponsorship.  Companies don't like unfavorable
publicity so others will drop their sponsorships of sporting events
rather than be criticized for spending on sports events..
>
> John DeGroat
>   

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan  5 16:30:47 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  5 16:31:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
In-Reply-To: <000601c96f84$a9fcc110$fdf64330$@com>
References: <010520091050.18405.4961E60F00061FE8000047E52215575474090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>	<496246E2.8030207@northwestern.edu><E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE0385BC3B@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp><000601c96f84$a9fcc110$fdf64330$@com>
Message-ID: <1001338647-1231194630-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1643135717-@bxe241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Well citi and GMAC have been bailed out by the Feds so I guess at least  2 bowl games are courtesy of uncle sam. 

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>

Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 17:26:33 
To: 'Beamsley, Jeff'<Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!


If I was a carpenter I'd be all worked up about the union "wasting" my money
on marketing....

Sorry folks it works both ways - Citi and GM sell products to thekinds of
people who watch and attend football games. Sponsoring a bowl is a form of
marketing...

Unless we want the government to sponsor all these things - oh yes, that was
tried in Italy around 0 BC.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
A Few Political Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
Why do we keep trying?
================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:42 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!

I agree that the bowl "formula" seems to work in just about anywhere
that you have an available stadium, some civic-minded people, available
holiday hotel space, and some sponsorship.

The Motor City Bowl, for example, has been going strong for 10 years.
So even though they have a cold weather location in a "third world" city
and didn't have a BT team this year, they still drew over 40K.  They
lost Chrysler as a sponsor and added the Carpenter's Union.  The group
that runs it is headed up by George Perles and Ken Hoffman (both from
MSU).  When asked this year about sponsorship, Perles said that they had
other organizations lined up to step in if Ford and/or GM left.  

Jeff


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contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named
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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Eric West
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:44 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!

People have been making predictions like this for years and years, and
they have never come true. I remember being told in the 1990s that 18
bowls were "too many" and that the number would go down soon for
economic reasons, etc., etc. Guess what? Now there are almost twice as
many.

Obviously there is a ceiling (and we must be getting close to it, since
many bowls are forced to choose MAC or Sun Belt teams as at-large
selections because those are the only eligible teams left), and the
current economy may have an impact, but even that crisis is only "for
now." Plenty of bowls have died over the years only to be replaced by
two or three others. Other bowls lose the sponsorship of one corporation
only to gain the sponsorship of another one. (Oh, and Citicorp and GM
are primarily taking "heat" for things completely unrelated to their
sponsorship choices, but that's a topic equally unrelated to this
list...)

Getting back to the context of this discussion, if a minor bowl is
financially viable, it will be viable no matter what the top 4 or 8 or
16 teams in the country are doing elsewhere. There's simply nothing in
reality to suggest that a playoff would kill the minor bowls.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> The so-called minor bowls are likely to die off as corporations cut
back on their  spending.  Look at the heat that CitiCorp and GM are
taking for their sports sponsorship.  Companies don't like unfavorable
publicity so others will drop their sponsorships of sporting events
rather than be criticized for spending on sports events..
>
> John DeGroat
>   

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Jan  5 17:02:48 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Jan  5 17:02:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! 
Message-ID: <200901052302.n05N2m5M022391@romaine.tssi.com>

> The so-called minor bowls are likely to die off as corporations cut back on their  spending.  Look at the heat that CitiCorp and GM are taking for their sports sponsorship.  Companies don't like unfavorable publicity so others will drop their sponsorships of sporting events rather than be criticized for spending on sports events..

If I was a CEO and was looking at that market (sports viewers), putting a
million dollars or so up for name sponsorship of a minor bowl would
seem at least as attractive as putting 2-4 times that up for a Super Bowl
ad that might wind up as Advertising Age's 'worst ad', especially if the
bowl's tie-ins are with conferences in areas I want to target.  

However, I have to report that one of my stock market rules has been to 
watch for companies putting their names on stadiums and stay as far away 
from their stock as possible.  
--
Mike Nolan

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Jan  5 17:44:52 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  5 17:45:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! 
Message-ID: <cf9.4c00d3e5.3693f574@aol.com>

When I was an ad executive I would hear clients complain "I am wasting half  
my marketing money, I just don't know which half"
 
 
In a message dated 1/5/2009 6:03:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
nolan@romaine.tssi.com writes:

However,  I have to report that one of my stock market rules has been to 
watch for  companies putting their names on stadiums and stay as far away 
from their  stock as possible. 

**************New year...new news.  Be the first to know what is making 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Jan  5 18:32:56 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Jan  5 18:33:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <200901060032.n060WuVh022707@romaine.tssi.com>

> When I was an ad executive I would hear clients complain "I am wasting half  
> my marketing money, I just don't know which half"

A remark often attributed to Stanley Neiman of Neiman-Marcus.
--
Mike Nolan

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Jan  5 18:44:17 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  5 18:44:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <d5f.3fde93b7.36940361@aol.com>

needless markup did not sponsor any stadiums for good reason
 
 
In a message dated 1/5/2009 7:33:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
nolan@romaine.tssi.com writes:

>  When I was an ad executive I would hear clients complain "I am wasting  
half  
> my marketing money, I just don't know which half"

A  remark often attributed to Stanley Neiman of Neiman-Marcus.
--
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan  5 19:53:03 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan  5 19:53:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200901060032.n060WuVh022707@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200901060032.n060WuVh022707@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <001001c96fa1$832222c0$89666840$@com>

However, I think has been attributed to David Ogilvy (Ogilvy and Mather) who
is often given credit.
 But a quick Google search attributes it to Lord Leverhulme (Lever Brothers)
or John Wannamaker (Wannamaker's stores in Philly).

Take your pick

rsl




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Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:33 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! (fwd)

> When I was an ad executive I would hear clients complain "I am wasting
half  
> my marketing money, I just don't know which half"

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan  5 21:03:34 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan  5 21:03:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big 12 TV Coverage
Message-ID: <001101c96fab$5d22eaf0$1768c0d0$@com>

Anyone else notice that colt McCoy's mom looks a lot like Daniel's ?????

 

And they haven't shown Pryor's mom either, just like they didn't show CJ's

 

Hmmmmm if both games were on ESPN, I'd suspect some underlying racism.

 

rsl

 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  5 22:00:17 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan  5 22:00:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...
Message-ID: <157399.62448.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well, I'm ready to stick a fork in the Buckeyes. Almost like our bowl game (and not just in the endless shots of the QB parents - sheesh! I think the only parents on TV more than Chase/Colt's was Grant Hill's dad in that 1994 tourney)  - great first half but they didn't take advantage in scoring as much as they should have given the yardage/time domination.

But at least we seemed to make adjustments and come out with some life in the second half. The Buckeyes just looked dead. No will. No adjustments. And once that bad call gave the first Texas drive new life, they were toast.

In any case, in terms of the bowl pool the Buckeyes have foiled my comeback plans and means congratulations go out to RAY STAHL, who at 12-7 has clinched no worse than a tie for the title. (Lots of .500 or below marks this year!).

If Florida wins, Ray claims the title alone at 13-7.
If Oklahoma wins, Ivars Embrekts ties him at 12-8.

Updated Hall of Fame and final results after the game in Miami on Thursday. Thanks for playing and another great year!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Jan  5 23:11:30 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  5 23:11:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...
In-Reply-To: <157399.62448.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <157399.62448.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB3DD45ECEAD49-10C8-1D9E@MBLK-M19.sysops.aol.com>

Another loss by the Big Ten--ugh!? I even found myself rooting for the Buckeyes, notwithstanding my nearly four decade hatred of everything about tOSU.? I especially liked the fade play TD from Boeckman to Pryor.? Can you imagine, though, if Terell had been badly injured on that play.? Tressel would have never lived it down.? But seriously, are there 2 major programs that are more easy to dislike than those based in Austin and Columbus?? And two more arrogant sets of fans?

Anyway, on another note, 60 Minutes had a terrific piece last night on Mike Leach of Texas Tech.? I highly recommend it if you can catch the replay later in the season.

Paul Levinson



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To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:00 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...



Well, I'm ready to stick a fork in the Buckeyes. Almost like our bowl game (and 
not just in the endless shots of the QB parents - sheesh! I think the only 
parents on TV more than Chase/Colt's was Grant Hill's dad in that 1994 tourney)  
- great first half but they didn't take advantage in scoring as much as they 
should have given the yardage/time domination.

But at least we seemed to make adjustments and come out with some life in the 
second half. The Buckeyes just looked dead. No will. No adjustments. And once 
that bad call gave the first Texas drive new life, they were toast.

In any case, in terms of the bowl pool the Buckeyes have foiled my comeback 
plans and means congratulations go out to RAY STAHL, who at 12-7 has clinched no 
worse than a tie for the title. (Lots of .500 or below marks this year!).

If Florida wins, Ray claims the title alone at 13-7.
If Oklahoma wins, Ivars Embrekts ties him at 12-8.

Updated Hall of Fame and final results after the game in Miami on Thursday. 
Thanks for playing and another great year!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Jan  6 08:42:13 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue Jan  6 08:43:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: football humor last nt,
	from Letterman & NU alum Colbert
Message-ID: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A65F6B50573@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>

Last night's Top Ten list was "Top Ten Signs You're Watching Too Much Football" ("Late Show," CBS, 1/5).

10) "Only fresh air you've had this month is opening door for pizza guy."
9) "You refer to orange juice as FedEx orange juice."
8) "When wife finishes making dinner, you dump jug of Gatorade on her."
7) "You schedule an appointment to talk to your doctor about Andy Reid's cholesterol."
6) "You got a telestrator in the bedroom."
5) "Three words: Norv Turner tattoo."
4) "Fantasize about Gisele Bundchen falling in love with you and introducing you to Tom Brady."
3) "When you go to McDonald's you insist on ordering the McNabb."
2) "Laura has to keep reminding you you're still president for two more weeks."
1) "To be more like your favorite New York Giant, you shoot yourself in the leg."


Comedy Central's Stephen Colbert was joined on "The Colbert Report" last night by political commentator Alan Colmes. Colbert: "Well, nation, Colbert and Colmes begins its team coverage with tonight's big story. Illinois Governor and cranial muskrat smuggler Rod Blagojevich has made a pick to fill Barack Obama's vacant Senate seat. He has chosen Plaxico Burress. A great decision.Burress runs a tight 40 and he has a strong stance on gun rights: A stance on one leg, he shot himself in the other." Colmes: "Stephen, it's not Plaxico Burress, it's former Illinois Attorney General Roland Burris" ("The Colbert Report," Comedy Central, 1/5).


From thiegs at umn.edu  Tue Jan  6 09:32:23 2009
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Tue Jan  6 09:32:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Mike Dunbar
Message-ID: <003201c97013$f8ff9a00$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

It hasn't hit the mainstream news yet, but I was just alerted by a friend
that it became public this morning that Mike Dunbar has resigned from the U
of M "to pursue other professional interests."  See
http://www.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News
<http://www.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=928>
&file=article&sid=928
 
-Joe
From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Jan  6 09:31:36 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Jan  6 09:34:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has Seen
	Before 
Message-ID: <20090106.093136.25116.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>

Sooners? Offense Is Like Something Gators? Meyer Has Seen Before 
New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/sports/ncaafootball/06florida.html?ref=ncaafootball

Strangely enough it is all about Northwestern.  Some positive comments and some not so positive like this one from Kevin Wilson "Every game at Northwestern was wild because we couldn?t stop anybody." in regards to the 2001 season.

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  6 09:44:17 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Jan  6 09:44:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has
	Seen Before
In-Reply-To: <20090106.093136.25116.1@webmail03.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <895224.54052.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

NU got a mention on the OSU-Texas ESPN radio broadcast last night--it was more or less a complement. The announcers quoted the OSU D.C. talking about how tough it was facing Texas with their complex schemes. He said they were Northwestern and Purdue schemes, but with USC talent. 

Also, there's a very good story on Kevin Wilson in the Tribune today. Must read for NU fans--some good stuff about his relationship with Randy, how hard it was to leave, some kidding around with Kustok, etc. 

Tom



--- On Tue, 1/6/09, mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net> wrote:

> From: mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has Seen Before
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:31 AM
> Sooners? Offense Is Like Something Gators? Meyer Has
> Seen Before 
> New York Times
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/sports/ncaafootball/06florida.html?ref=ncaafootball
> 
> Strangely enough it is all about Northwestern.  Some
> positive comments and some not so positive like this one
> from Kevin Wilson "Every game at Northwestern was wild
> because we couldn?t stop anybody." in regards to the
> 2001 season.
> 
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Jan  6 10:05:42 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Jan  6 10:08:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has See
	n Before
Message-ID: <20090106.100542.9544.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>

Oklahoma coordinator has roots at Northwestern
OU coordinator attributes success to time with Walker
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-06-bcs-chicagojan06,0,5366128.column

Maureen brought up "Could you imagine Hank as the DC in 2000?"

The thought of that made me cringe.  With a defense that did not allow last minute touchdowns and the offensive efficiency during the Baz and Zak eras...

With McGee and Wilson we had O-coordinators trying to win games and our D-coordinators were trying not to lose the game.  Now it seems like it is the reverse.  We had a few games where our offense would go into a shell and try to run out the clock with over a quarter left.

-- Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:
NU got a mention on the OSU-Texas ESPN radio broadcast last night--it was more or less a complement. The announcers quoted the OSU D.C. talking about how tough it was facing Texas with their complex schemes. He said they were Northwestern and Purdue schemes, but with USC talent. 

Also, there's a very good story on Kevin Wilson in the Tribune today. Must read for NU fans--some good stuff about his relationship with Randy, how hard it was to leave, some kidding around with Kustok, etc. 

Tom



--- On Tue, 1/6/09, mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net> wrote:

> From: mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has Seen Before
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:31 AM
> Sooners??? Offense Is Like Something Gators??? Meyer Has
> Seen Before 
> New York Times
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/sports/ncaafootball/06florida.html?ref=ncaafootball
> 
> Strangely enough it is all about Northwestern.  Some
> positive comments and some not so positive like this one
> from Kevin Wilson "Every game at Northwestern was wild
> because we couldn???t stop anybody." in regards to the
> 2001 season.
> 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jan  6 10:17:03 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Jan  6 10:17:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has
	Seen Before
In-Reply-To: <20090106.100542.9544.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>
References: <20090106.100542.9544.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE039B9E32@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Lot's of good press for Northwestern courtesy of Kevin Wilson.

Think he is in the market for a head coach job?

Jeff



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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of mlinhardt@netzero.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:06 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has Seen Before

Oklahoma coordinator has roots at Northwestern OU coordinator attributes success to time with Walker http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-06-bcs-chicagojan06,0,5366128.column

Maureen brought up "Could you imagine Hank as the DC in 2000?"

The thought of that made me cringe.  With a defense that did not allow last minute touchdowns and the offensive efficiency during the Baz and Zak eras...

With McGee and Wilson we had O-coordinators trying to win games and our D-coordinators were trying not to lose the game.  Now it seems like it is the reverse.  We had a few games where our offense would go into a shell and try to run out the clock with over a quarter left.

-- Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:
NU got a mention on the OSU-Texas ESPN radio broadcast last night--it was more or less a complement. The announcers quoted the OSU D.C. talking about how tough it was facing Texas with their complex schemes. He said they were Northwestern and Purdue schemes, but with USC talent. 

Also, there's a very good story on Kevin Wilson in the Tribune today. Must read for NU fans--some good stuff about his relationship with Randy, how hard it was to leave, some kidding around with Kustok, etc. 

Tom



--- On Tue, 1/6/09, mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net> wrote:

> From: mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer 
> Has Seen Before
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:31 AM Sooners??? Offense Is Like 
> Something Gators??? Meyer Has Seen Before New York Times 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/sports/ncaafootball/06florida.html?r
> ef=ncaafootball
> 
> Strangely enough it is all about Northwestern.  Some positive comments 
> and some not so positive like this one from Kevin Wilson "Every game 
> at Northwestern was wild because we couldn???t stop anybody." in 
> regards to the
> 2001 season.
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> Live the good life! Click now for great retirement planning 
> assistance!
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  6 10:29:40 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Jan  6 10:29:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Mike Dunbar
References: <003201c97013$f8ff9a00$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <487228.66389.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I wouldn't mind seeing him back in Evanston, but I assume Fitz will give McCall another 2 years. 

Jim



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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 9:32:23 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] Mike Dunbar

It hasn't hit the mainstream news yet, but I was just alerted by a friend
that it became public this morning that Mike Dunbar has resigned from the U
of M "to pursue other professional interests."? See
http://www.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News
<http://www.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=928>
&file=article&sid=928

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan  6 11:41:25 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan  6 11:41:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer
	Has	Seen Before
In-Reply-To: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE039B9E32@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <20090106.100542.9544.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>
	<E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE039B9E32@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <000301c97025$ff2697f0$fd73c7d0$@com>

Yes

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:17 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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Lot's of good press for Northwestern courtesy of Kevin Wilson.

Think he is in the market for a head coach job?

Jeff



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Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:06 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has Seen Before

Oklahoma coordinator has roots at Northwestern OU coordinator attributes success to time with Walker http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-06-bcs-chicagojan06,0,5366128.column

Maureen brought up "Could you imagine Hank as the DC in 2000?"

The thought of that made me cringe.  With a defense that did not allow last minute touchdowns and the offensive efficiency during the Baz and Zak eras...

With McGee and Wilson we had O-coordinators trying to win games and our D-coordinators were trying not to lose the game.  Now it seems like it is the reverse.  We had a few games where our offense would go into a shell and try to run out the clock with over a quarter left.

-- Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:
NU got a mention on the OSU-Texas ESPN radio broadcast last night--it was more or less a complement. The announcers quoted the OSU D.C. talking about how tough it was facing Texas with their complex schemes. He said they were Northwestern and Purdue schemes, but with USC talent. 

Also, there's a very good story on Kevin Wilson in the Tribune today. Must read for NU fans--some good stuff about his relationship with Randy, how hard it was to leave, some kidding around with Kustok, etc. 

Tom



--- On Tue, 1/6/09, mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net> wrote:

> From: mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer 
> Has Seen Before
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:31 AM Sooners??? Offense Is Like 
> Something Gators??? Meyer Has Seen Before New York Times 
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/sports/ncaafootball/06florida.html?r
> ef=ncaafootball
> 
> Strangely enough it is all about Northwestern.  Some positive comments 
> and some not so positive like this one from Kevin Wilson "Every game 
> at Northwestern was wild because we couldn???t stop anybody." in 
> regards to the
> 2001 season.
> 
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan  6 12:30:20 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  6 12:30:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has
	See n Before
In-Reply-To: <20090106.100542.9544.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>
References: <20090106.100542.9544.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <8CB3E43F7343837-17D0-370@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com>

What all of this emphasizes is that we must do whatever is necessary to make sure that Coaches Fitz and Hank remain together as long as they both want to or can.? It was demonstrated this season that with a very well coached defense, victories are possible, even if the offense suffers some injuries.

We lost two quality coordinators (Dunbar and KW) for reasons that were never 100% clear (to me anyway).? Clearly, KW found a program where he can be competing for a National Championship frequently.? Dunbar's quest has not been so clean cut.

I even like the fact that GB texts PF frequently (yes, I know he was Hamlet, and spurned us, and probably regrets that deeply...), and they discuss topics.? The GB/Walk/Fitz network (with Coach Hank as a double member) is expanding, and bringing together quality coaches, both here and with our opponents.? All of that can only be for the good.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:05 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has See n Before



Oklahoma coordinator has roots at Northwestern
OU coordinator attributes success to time with Walker
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-06-bcs-chicagojan06,0,5366128.column

Maureen brought up "Could you imagine Hank as the DC in 2000?"

The thought of that made me cringe.  With a defense that did not allow last 
minute touchdowns and the offensive efficiency during the Baz and Zak eras...

With McGee and Wilson we had O-coordinators trying to win games and our 
D-coordinators were trying not to lose the game.  Now it seems like it is the 
reverse.  We had a few games where our offense would go into a shell and try to 
run out the clock with over a quarter left.

-- Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:
NU got a mention on the OSU-Texas ESPN radio broadcast last night--it was more 
or less a complement. The announcers quoted the OSU D.C. talking about how tough 
it was facing Texas with their  complex schemes. He said they were Northwestern 
and Purdue schemes, but with USC talent. 

Also, there's a very good story on Kevin Wilson in the Tribune today. Must read 
for NU fans--some good stuff about his relationship with Randy, how hard it was 
to leave, some kidding around with Kustok, etc. 

Tom



--- On Tue, 1/6/09, mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net> wrote:

> From: mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has Seen 
Before
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:31 AM
> Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has
> Seen Before 
> New York Times
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/sports/ncaafootball/06florida.html?ref=ncaafootball
> 
> Strangely enough it is all about Northwestern.  Some
> positive comments and some not so positive like this one
> from Kevin Wilson "Every game at Northwestern was wild
> because we couldnt stop anybody." in regards to the
> 2001 season.
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> Live the good life! Click now for great retir
ement planning
> assistance!
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From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Tue Jan  6 12:53:18 2009
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Tue Jan  6 12:53:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] In this season of coaching rumors and changes
Message-ID: <C76C9F151D5D46DCBFBB1AC30063471E@Latitude>

Isn't it nice to believe that Coach Fitz won't leave at least until BOTH of
the following occur:  (1) NU gets into a BCS game (preferably the Rose) and
(2) the Bears are in need of a new head coach.  And, maybe not even then.


From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan  6 13:49:44 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  6 13:50:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] In this season of coaching rumors and changes
In-Reply-To: <C76C9F151D5D46DCBFBB1AC30063471E@Latitude>
References: <C76C9F151D5D46DCBFBB1AC30063471E@Latitude>
Message-ID: <8CB3E4F0EC76E42-17D0-A61@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com>

Though I love the Bears, I wouldn't wish their coaching job on my worst enemy.

- The ownership seems to mismanage them all the time.

- The current General Manager has wasted plenty of high draft picks on guys who aren't even in the game anymore.

- With one exception, coaches have not come to the Bears to achieve greatness

(read Jim Dooley, Abe Gibron, Neil Armstrong, Wanny, even Lovie (people are very mad that Lovie dumped?85 Bear Ron Rivera, who?coordinated the D that beat Peyton Manning and survives in the playoffs - while Lovie brought in 'pal' Bob Babich, who has made the Bear defense pretty ordinary)

- And that one exception is Ditka - who, 23 years after that Super Bowl, is still larger than life in Chicago, dominating?TV, Radio, and even restaurants.? He also has a huge national presence on TV and Radio ('America's Coach' on Westwood One).? Succeeding the legend of Ditka will be a tough task for any mortal.

- That, and NFL coaches pretty much are hired to be fired...ask?Eric Mangini, Mike Shanahan, etc.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85??


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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:53 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] In this season of coaching rumors and changes



Isn't it nice to believe that Coach Fitz won't leave at least until BOTH of
the following occur:  (1) NU gets into a BCS game (preferably the Rose) and
(2) the Bears are in need of a new head coach.  And, maybe not even then.


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan  6 15:41:12 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan  6 15:41:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer
	Has	See n Before
In-Reply-To: <8CB3E43F7343837-17D0-370@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com>
References: <20090106.100542.9544.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>
	<8CB3E43F7343837-17D0-370@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c97047$7ea5e500$7bf1af00$@com>

Randy Walker was very vocal in his belief that his assistants should
eventually move on to bigger and better things.

I remember a quote reputed to be from one of the Coach's meetings where RW
said that in 10 years he expected to be the only guy still sitting at the
table.

Of RW's original staff at NU, Kroemer went out to Oakland, Wilson, was
promoted to NU's OC, then moved laterally to OU as Run Game Coordinator, and
became the OC when the original guy got promoted to a HC job elsewhere. When
Wilson moved up to OC at NU, he promoted Jim Patton to be the O Line coach,
then got him to OU a few years later. Peterson moved on to EMU, along with
Feggins. Wilson was supposed to get a Div I job out of NU, but the Cats
faltered at the end of the season so he took the OU job instead (2001?)

IMHOI, Dunbar took the job at NU knowing that Wilson was going to leave and
that possibly, he would be in line to be a head man after continuing the
growth at NU maybe even succeeding RW in Evanston. Walker pretty well
squashed all of that thought when he kept saying that his goal was to
negotiate 2 50 yard tickets at NU after he stepped down in 10 years or so.
He made it 2 more.

IMHO, had Dunbar still been the OC when Walker died, he would now be the
head coach because he had the head coach experience at the lower levels. I
always liked interviewing him after practices because he'd hint around what
was actually going on without actually telling you. He left a year too soon,
for whatever reasons - maybe he was looking for more experience or he took
Randy's comments about not being there in 10 years seriously.

I honestly think Dunbar (OC), Fitz (DC) and Walker (HC) would have
eventually made a pretty good triumvirate running the Wildcats, but fate
sometimes intervenes.

Mike Dunbar was one of the early guys who ran the spread out on the west
coast. I'm surprised that someone in the Big 12, or ACC hasn't grabbed him
as their top guy. I was always impressed with his poise away from the games.
Maybe someone looking for a 7 or 8 year solution gives him a shot. SIU or
NIU might be good candidates if they lose their head guy soon.

However, I really don't think he could, or even would return to Northwestern
in any capacity. Too bad, he's the guy who found C.J. Bacher.

rsl



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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:30 PM
To: mlinhardt@netzero.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has
See n Before

What all of this emphasizes is that we must do whatever is necessary to make
sure that Coaches Fitz and Hank remain together as long as they both want to
or can.? It was demonstrated this season that with a very well coached
defense, victories are possible, even if the offense suffers some injuries.

We lost two quality coordinators (Dunbar and KW) for reasons that were never
100% clear (to me anyway).? Clearly, KW found a program where he can be
competing for a National Championship frequently.? Dunbar's quest has not
been so clean cut.

I even like the fact that GB texts PF frequently (yes, I know he was Hamlet,
and spurned us, and probably regrets that deeply...), and they discuss
topics.? The GB/Walk/Fitz network (with Coach Hank as a double member) is
expanding, and bringing together quality coaches, both here and with our
opponents.? All of that can only be for the good.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 10:05 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has
See n Before



Oklahoma coordinator has roots at Northwestern
OU coordinator attributes success to time with Walker
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-06-bcs-chicagojan06,0,53661
28.column

Maureen brought up "Could you imagine Hank as the DC in 2000?"

The thought of that made me cringe.  With a defense that did not allow last 
minute touchdowns and the offensive efficiency during the Baz and Zak
eras...

With McGee and Wilson we had O-coordinators trying to win games and our 
D-coordinators were trying not to lose the game.  Now it seems like it is
the 
reverse.  We had a few games where our offense would go into a shell and try
to 
run out the clock with over a quarter left.

-- Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:
NU got a mention on the OSU-Texas ESPN radio broadcast last night--it was
more 
or less a complement. The announcers quoted the OSU D.C. talking about how
tough 
it was facing Texas with their  complex schemes. He said they were
Northwestern 
and Purdue schemes, but with USC talent. 

Also, there's a very good story on Kevin Wilson in the Tribune today. Must
read 
for NU fans--some good stuff about his relationship with Randy, how hard it
was 
to leave, some kidding around with Kustok, etc. 

Tom



--- On Tue, 1/6/09, mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net> wrote:

> From: mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has
Seen 
Before
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 9:31 AM
> Sooners Offense Is Like Something Gators Meyer Has
> Seen Before 
> New York Times
>
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/06/sports/ncaafootball/06florida.html?ref=nca
afootball
> 
> Strangely enough it is all about Northwestern.  Some
> positive comments and some not so positive like this one
> from Kevin Wilson "Every game at Northwestern was wild
> because we couldnt stop anybody." in regards to the
> 2001 season.
> 
> ____________________________________________________________
> Live the good life! Click now for great retir
ement planning
> assistance!
>
http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2231/fc/PnY6rc02cxkFXDVf6VpjNGtlrMZBo
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan  6 15:47:58 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan  6 15:47:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] In this season of coaching rumors and changes
In-Reply-To: <C76C9F151D5D46DCBFBB1AC30063471E@Latitude>
References: <C76C9F151D5D46DCBFBB1AC30063471E@Latitude>
Message-ID: <000101c97048$70ec2450$52c46cf0$@com>

When his 2 boys are college age (18 years or so?) Fitz might be tempted to
jump to the NFL because of the money, and because he could still get to his
kids' games if they play or fly his kids into wherever they are playing.

If Fitz walked away from the Evil Empire, you'd have to figure that he'd
have to have full authority to mess with N**** D*** and those big donors
wouldn't give up all that power.... or would they.

But then there's NU's staff rates for the children of employees and faculty.
Jamie Walker always told me that the only reason he went to, and graduated
from NU was that dad was employed there.... I'm sure the boys enjoy a
passing resemblance to Fitz and that will get them entre into areas that
even Fitz couldn't imagine.

So Bears Fans have to wait until Fitz stops having kids, add 21 years, and
maybe then he'll be interested in leaving for "greener" pastures downtown.

Of course by then, he'll be the new JoePa and why screw that up?

rsl

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Behalf Of Peter C. Warner
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 1:53 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] In this season of coaching rumors and changes

Isn't it nice to believe that Coach Fitz won't leave at least until BOTH of
the following occur:  (1) NU gets into a BCS game (preferably the Rose) and
(2) the Bears are in need of a new head coach.  And, maybe not even then.


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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Tue Jan  6 15:47:48 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Jan  6 15:47:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] In this season of coaching rumors and changes
Message-ID: <010620092147.16447.4963D18400059A600000403F2216525806090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

If Fitz ever thinks about the Bears he should recall what Barnett said about pro football coaches: "They don't look to me like they have a lot of fun".

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Peter C. Warner" <pcw@warnerpatents.com>
> Isn't it nice to believe that Coach Fitz won't leave at least until BOTH of
> the following occur:  (1) NU gets into a BCS game (preferably the Rose) and
> (2) the Bears are in need of a new head coach.  And, maybe not even then.
> 
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan  6 15:50:57 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan  6 15:50:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] In this season of coaching rumors and changes
In-Reply-To: <8CB3E4F0EC76E42-17D0-A61@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com>
References: <C76C9F151D5D46DCBFBB1AC30063471E@Latitude>
	<8CB3E4F0EC76E42-17D0-A61@FWM-D18.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000201c97048$dbb2bc90$931835b0$@com>

The management of the Bears has never forgiven George Halas for dying.

If he hadn't moved on to the big "press box in the sky," he'd still be
walking the sidelines at Soldier Field.

The problem with following a legend is living up to the Legend....

Rsl

FWIW - the still argue about Jerry Jones' firing of Tom Landry, the only
coach the Cowboy every had for 20+ years. Funny that the Pokes' haven't
played as consistently since he did. 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:50 PM
To: pcw@warnerpatents.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In this season of coaching rumors and changes

Though I love the Bears, I wouldn't wish their coaching job on my worst
enemy.

- The ownership seems to mismanage them all the time.

- The current General Manager has wasted plenty of high draft picks on guys
who aren't even in the game anymore.

- With one exception, coaches have not come to the Bears to achieve
greatness

(read Jim Dooley, Abe Gibron, Neil Armstrong, Wanny, even Lovie (people are
very mad that Lovie dumped?85 Bear Ron Rivera, who?coordinated the D that
beat Peyton Manning and survives in the playoffs - while Lovie brought in
'pal' Bob Babich, who has made the Bear defense pretty ordinary)

- And that one exception is Ditka - who, 23 years after that Super Bowl, is
still larger than life in Chicago, dominating?TV, Radio, and even
restaurants.? He also has a huge national presence on TV and Radio
('America's Coach' on Westwood One).? Succeeding the legend of Ditka will be
a tough task for any mortal.

- That, and NFL coaches pretty much are hired to be fired...ask?Eric
Mangini, Mike Shanahan, etc.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85??


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter C. Warner <pcw@warnerpatents.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:53 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] In this season of coaching rumors and changes



Isn't it nice to believe that Coach Fitz won't leave at least until BOTH of
the following occur:  (1) NU gets into a BCS game (preferably the Rose) and
(2) the Bears are in need of a new head coach.  And, maybe not even then.


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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Tue Jan  6 15:56:38 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Jan  6 15:56:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] In this season of coaching rumors and changes
Message-ID: <010620092156.7070.4963D3960003DEB400001B9E2216525806090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Jones is a meglomaniac.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> The management of the Bears has never forgiven George Halas for dying.
> 
> If he hadn't moved on to the big "press box in the sky," he'd still be
> walking the sidelines at Soldier Field.
> 
> The problem with following a legend is living up to the Legend....
> 
> Rsl
> 
> FWIW - the still argue about Jerry Jones' firing of Tom Landry, the only
> coach the Cowboy every had for 20+ years. Funny that the Pokes' haven't
> played as consistently since he did. 
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
> Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> A Few Basic Truths:
>   You cannot Legislate Morality
>   You cannot Litigate Peace
>   You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
> Why do we keep trying?
> ================================================
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 2:50 PM
> To: pcw@warnerpatents.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] In this season of coaching rumors and changes
> 
> Though I love the Bears, I wouldn't wish their coaching job on my worst
> enemy.
> 
> - The ownership seems to mismanage them all the time.
> 
> - The current General Manager has wasted plenty of high draft picks on guys
> who aren't even in the game anymore.
> 
> - With one exception, coaches have not come to the Bears to achieve
> greatness
> 
> (read Jim Dooley, Abe Gibron, Neil Armstrong, Wanny, even Lovie (people are
> very mad that Lovie dumped?85 Bear Ron Rivera, who?coordinated the D that
> beat Peyton Manning and survives in the playoffs - while Lovie brought in
> 'pal' Bob Babich, who has made the Bear defense pretty ordinary)
> 
> - And that one exception is Ditka - who, 23 years after that Super Bowl, is
> still larger than life in Chicago, dominating?TV, Radio, and even
> restaurants.? He also has a huge national presence on TV and Radio
> ('America's Coach' on Westwood One).? Succeeding the legend of Ditka will be
> a tough task for any mortal.
> 
> - That, and NFL coaches pretty much are hired to be fired...ask?Eric
> Mangini, Mike Shanahan, etc.
> 
> Chuck Herron?? Tech '85??
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter C. Warner <pcw@warnerpatents.com>
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:53 pm
> Subject: [NU Sports] In this season of coaching rumors and changes
> 
> 
> 
> Isn't it nice to believe that Coach Fitz won't leave at least until BOTH of
> the following occur:  (1) NU gets into a BCS game (preferably the Rose) and
> (2) the Bears are in need of a new head coach.  And, maybe not even then.
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Tue Jan  6 16:03:10 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Jan  6 16:03:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...
Message-ID: <010620092203.21496.4963D51E0003FF2B000053F82216525806090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

ND fans would give your two choices a run for their money when it comes to arrogance.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: neonrye@aol.com
> Another loss by the Big Ten--ugh!? I even found myself rooting for the Buckeyes, 
> notwithstanding my nearly four decade hatred of everything about tOSU.? I 
> especially liked the fade play TD from Boeckman to Pryor.? Can you imagine, 
> though, if Terell had been badly injured on that play.? Tressel would have never 
> lived it down.? But seriously, are there 2 major programs that are more easy to 
> dislike than those based in Austin and Columbus?? And two more arrogant sets of 
> fans?
> 
> Anyway, on another note, 60 Minutes had a terrific piece last night on Mike 
> Leach of Texas Tech.? I highly recommend it if you can catch the replay later in 
> the season.
> 
> Paul Levinson
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:00 pm
> Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...
> 
> 
> 
> Well, I'm ready to stick a fork in the Buckeyes. Almost like our bowl game (and 
> not just in the endless shots of the QB parents - sheesh! I think the only 
> parents on TV more than Chase/Colt's was Grant Hill's dad in that 1994 tourney)  
> - great first half but they didn't take advantage in scoring as much as they 
> should have given the yardage/time domination.
> 
> But at least we seemed to make adjustments and come out with some life in the 
> second half. The Buckeyes just looked dead. No will. No adjustments. And once 
> that bad call gave the first Texas drive new life, they were toast.
> 
> In any case, in terms of the bowl pool the Buckeyes have foiled my comeback 
> plans and means congratulations go out to RAY STAHL, who at 12-7 has clinched no 
> worse than a tie for the title. (Lots of .500 or below marks this year!).
> 
> If Florida wins, Ray claims the title alone at 13-7.
> If Oklahoma wins, Ivars Embrekts ties him at 12-8.
> 
> Updated Hall of Fame and final results after the game in Miami on Thursday. 
> Thanks for playing and another great year!
> 
> GO CATS!!!
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan  6 16:04:08 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  6 16:04:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] In this season of coaching rumors and changes
Message-ID: <c36.44e4096a.36952f58@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/6/2009 1:58:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
johnadeg@comcast.net writes:

> Cowboy every had for 20+ years. Funny that the Pokes' haven't
> >played as consistently since he did. 
> 

no--but they did win 3 super bowls in 4 years--and with today's parity rules 
, few teams play consitently today

Harry


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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Tue Jan  6 16:10:25 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Jan  6 16:10:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!! 
Message-ID: <010620092210.7388.4963D6D100097EDA00001CDC2216525806090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

You've got that right!  Watch out too for companies with CEO's with disproportionate egos.  While I was in investor relations both working for a major corporation and later as a consultant I saw a lot of them.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> When I was an ad executive I would hear clients complain "I am wasting half  
> my marketing money, I just don't know which half"
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/5/2009 6:03:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> nolan@romaine.tssi.com writes:
> 
> However,  I have to report that one of my stock market rules has been to 
> watch for  companies putting their names on stadiums and stay as far away 
> from their  stock as possible. 
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Tue Jan  6 16:15:54 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Jan  6 16:16:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
Message-ID: <010620092215.20797.4963D81A0001D14E0000513D2216525806090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

I guess that you have a point but I  wouldn't want to be the guy to justify the cost of putting the company name or logo on a stadium and then have to face the bloviating clowns on a House or Senate committee who want to strut in front of a TV camera.

John DeGroat. 
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> If I was a carpenter I'd be all worked up about the union "wasting" my money
> on marketing....
> 
> Sorry folks it works both ways - Citi and GM sell products to thekinds of
> people who watch and attend football games. Sponsoring a bowl is a form of
> marketing...
> 
> Unless we want the government to sponsor all these things - oh yes, that was
> tried in Italy around 0 BC.
> 
> rsl
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> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:42 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
> 
> I agree that the bowl "formula" seems to work in just about anywhere
> that you have an available stadium, some civic-minded people, available
> holiday hotel space, and some sponsorship.
> 
> The Motor City Bowl, for example, has been going strong for 10 years.
> So even though they have a cold weather location in a "third world" city
> and didn't have a BT team this year, they still drew over 40K.  They
> lost Chrysler as a sponsor and added the Carpenter's Union.  The group
> that runs it is headed up by George Perles and Ken Hoffman (both from
> MSU).  When asked this year about sponsorship, Perles said that they had
> other organizations lined up to step in if Ford and/or GM left.  
> 
> Jeff
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> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Eric West
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 12:44 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] B-C-MESS!!! B-C-MESS!!!
> 
> People have been making predictions like this for years and years, and
> they have never come true. I remember being told in the 1990s that 18
> bowls were "too many" and that the number would go down soon for
> economic reasons, etc., etc. Guess what? Now there are almost twice as
> many.
> 
> Obviously there is a ceiling (and we must be getting close to it, since
> many bowls are forced to choose MAC or Sun Belt teams as at-large
> selections because those are the only eligible teams left), and the
> current economy may have an impact, but even that crisis is only "for
> now." Plenty of bowls have died over the years only to be replaced by
> two or three others. Other bowls lose the sponsorship of one corporation
> only to gain the sponsorship of another one. (Oh, and Citicorp and GM
> are primarily taking "heat" for things completely unrelated to their
> sponsorship choices, but that's a topic equally unrelated to this
> list...)
> 
> Getting back to the context of this discussion, if a minor bowl is
> financially viable, it will be viable no matter what the top 4 or 8 or
> 16 teams in the country are doing elsewhere. There's simply nothing in
> reality to suggest that a playoff would kill the minor bowls.
> 
> 
> Eric West
> e-west@northwestern.edu
> 
> 
> johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> > The so-called minor bowls are likely to die off as corporations cut
> back on their  spending.  Look at the heat that CitiCorp and GM are
> taking for their sports sponsorship.  Companies don't like unfavorable
> publicity so others will drop their sponsorships of sporting events
> rather than be criticized for spending on sports events..
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Jan  6 17:02:46 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  6 17:03:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...
Message-ID: <c4a.43f2bfde.36953d16@aol.com>

Agreed, John.  But they were out of sight, out of mind, as ND played  in 
Hawaii in the Inconsequential Bowl.
 
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan  6 18:53:31 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  6 18:53:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <c43.42467fa4.3695570b@aol.com>

Well first Obama wants a college football playoff, now the Utah pols want a 
crack at the system as well

Harry

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Jan  6 18:59:17 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  6 18:59:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <c50.430f69d6.36955865@aol.com>

Maybe we should have multiple national champions, kind of a football  
polygamy.
 
 
In a message dated 1/6/2009 7:54:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Hakirsch@aol.com writes:

a  college football playoff, now the Utah pols want a 
crack at the system as  well


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  6 21:15:40 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan  6 21:15:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
In-Reply-To: <c43.42467fa4.3695570b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <520146.50991.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

When Obama and Utah agree on something, you KNOW the B(C)S is a bad idea and needs changing.:)

Aside from the typical Big Ten bashing, John Feinstein had an interesting column on it in the Washington Post today:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/06/AR2009010600092.html

GO CATS!!!
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GO CATS!!!



      

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Wed Jan  7 09:25:09 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Wed Jan  7 09:25:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
Message-ID: <10593163.1231341909809.JavaMail.root@mswamui-billy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

A terrific column - I agree with it 100%

-----Original Message-----
>From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jan 6, 2009 7:15 PM
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
>
>When Obama and Utah agree on something, you KNOW the B(C)S is a bad idea and needs changing.:)
>
>Aside from the typical Big Ten bashing, John Feinstein had an interesting column on it in the Washington Post today:
>
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/06/AR2009010600092.html
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
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From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 11:02:39 2009
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Wed Jan  7 11:03:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
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I think the article is ridiculous.  Everyone's a victim, it seems.  Well, I'm not buying the argument that a 12-0 team is always better than a 12-1 team.
 
 
If you ask me, the BCS conferences need to separate from the rest of I-A and form our own football subdivision.  There are too many teams in I-A as it is, and this a large part of the difficulty in finding an equitable way of determining a champion.  As a general rule, the BCS programs were playing football 100 years ago, and made this sport into the incredible spectacle that it is today.  Why should they have to share revenues with programs like Buffalo and Central Florida that have been in I-A for only a few years?
 
 
That's my 2 cents.
 
 
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:25:09 -0800> From: thehaze@earthlink.net> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...> > A terrific column - I agree with it 100%> > -----Original Message-----> >From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>> >Sent: Jan 6, 2009 7:15 PM> >To: nwu-sports@tssi.com> >Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...> >> >When Obama and Utah agree on something, you KNOW the B(C)S is a bad idea and needs changing.:)> >> >Aside from the typical Big Ten bashing, John Feinstein had an interesting column on it in the Washington Post today:> >> >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/06/AR2009010600092.html> >
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 11:32:25 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Jan  7 11:32:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
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The thing is, with the formation of the BCS, that is essentially what the
commissioners of the BCS conferences did.  They created a new pool of money,
providing each league at least $14 million a year - plus another $4.5
million for 3-4 of those conferences.  That is exactly the reason that there
is no playoff (even a Plus One) in I-A/FBS football - because the BCS
conference teams hold all the power and money and to go to a playoff would
require the say of all of the membership (120 schools) which would likely
result in more equitable revenue sharing.  The BCS is purely the result of
the rules of the current system that allow bowl games and give conferences
and teams the power to negotiate their own contracts for those games.

I would argue that the non-BCS I-A/FBS teams generally benefit from the
current system as well, and the BCS teams need them.  All of those
nonconference games early in the season see a lot of money changing hands,
with BCS schools paying the "mid majors" upwards of $300k for a win-able
home game, as the BCS school rakes in way more than that in gate receipts,
sponsorships, and TV revenue.  This is why there has been a steady stream of
schools making their way to I-A/FBS in recent years (although there is
currently a moratorium in place on bumping more teams up) - because even
smaller schools with absolutely no football tradition (Florida
International, Florida Atlantic, Western Kentucky, etc.) can make a good
amount of money on I-A/FBS football.

The fact is that the current system is all about money, and it's mostly
concentrated in the BCS conferences - and it will likely stay that way
unless the government steps in.  The NCAA won't do anything because it's run
by those benefitting from the system - the schools.  And fans can argue all
they want, but money speaks a lot louder than the talking heads on TV.

If one wants a truly equitable system in college football, take the 120
I-A/FBS teams, divide them into 10 12-team conferences with an even
distribution of teams based on recent success on the field, split them all
into 6-team divisions, and stage conference championship games that lead
into a 16-team national playoff (10 conference winners + 6 at-large).  The
NCAA could also control all scheduling for non-conference matchups to make
more equitable schedules.  Of course if you really want such a system you
should just turn off your TV on Saturdays and instead tune in on Sunday
where there's something called the NFL that has such a bland system, where
"any given Sunday" means that everything in the league is just about the
same because it's all dictated by the league.

Enjoy college football for what it is - something unique.  The conference
affiliations, traditions, bowls, polls, etc. all make it uniquely different
from every other sport out there and the fact that we as fans continue to
pour more and more money into it shows that the system is effective
entertainment and effective at building communities at schools.

Jonathan


On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Arthur Miller <artmiller1@hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> I think the article is ridiculous.  Everyone's a victim, it seems.  Well,
> I'm not buying the argument that a 12-0 team is always better than a 12-1
> team.
>
>
> If you ask me, the BCS conferences need to separate from the rest of I-A
> and form our own football subdivision.  There are too many teams in I-A as
> it is, and this a large part of the difficulty in finding an equitable way
> of determining a champion.  As a general rule, the BCS programs were playing
> football 100 years ago, and made this sport into the incredible spectacle
> that it is today.  Why should they have to share revenues with programs like
> Buffalo and Central Florida that have been in I-A for only a few years?
>
>
> That's my 2 cents.
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:25:09 -0800> From: thehaze@earthlink.net> To:
> nwu-sports@tssi.com> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff
> ...> > A terrific column - I agree with it 100%> > -----Original
> Message-----> >From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>> >Sent:
> Jan 6, 2009 7:15 PM> >To: nwu-sports@tssi.com> >Subject: [NU Sports] Re:
> Utah and the playoff ...> >> >When Obama and Utah agree on something, you
> KNOW the B(C)S is a bad idea and needs changing.:)> >> >Aside from the
> typical Big Ten bashing, John Feinstein had an interesting column on it in
> the Washington Post today:> >> >
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/06/AR2009010600092.html>
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Jan  7 12:05:31 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan  7 12:07:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
In-Reply-To: <COL114-W4798A1F6343F6CB221E328ADF0@phx.gbl>
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Agree 100%

If Utah wants to win a National Championship, join the Big 12 or the Pac 10

If I were a Utah fan I might feel mistreated, but as an NU fan I do not care at all

The BCS is designed to move as much money as possible to the power conferences, like ours, and then to the schools in those conferences, like us.

We played a game in a warm weather city, lost, but gave a good showing?and had a good time.? That is my only concern.

Life is often not fair.? In the early days, If you wanted to be an All-American, or win a National Championship, you had to be out East, preferably Harvard/Yale/Princeton/Penn.? I am sure there were well-coached teams in other parts of the country, and there were probably more talented players than those who made All-American, but those were the rules.? And football dealt with them, and remained strong.

So let's have:

- FBS - Football Bowl Subdivision (Pac 10, Big 12, Big 10, SEC).? I suppose we could let in the ACC and the Big Least also.? And the forgotten Notre Dame

- FWS - Football Whiners Subdivision (everybody else in 'old' Division I).? These guys can have a 16-team playoff and have all the fun they want.? Some might even watch the games...

The FBS might produce about 40 'bowl-eligible' teams so 20 bowls (Orange, Sugar, Rose, Fiesta and BCS Title Game, and maybe 15 more).? All bowls in warm weather cities.? Rose Bowl to always maintain that Big-10/Pac-10 relationship.? No more MA
C/Mountain West bowl games.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Miller <artmiller1@hotmail.com>
To: thehaze@earthlink.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:02 am
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...




 think the article is ridiculous.  Everyone's a victim, it seems.  Well, I'm 
ot buying the argument that a 12-0 team is always better than a 12-1 team.


f you ask me, the BCS conferences need to separate from the rest of I-A and 
orm our own football subdivision.  There are too many teams in I-A as it is, 
nd this a large part of the difficulty in finding an equitable way of 
etermining a champion.  As a general rule, the BCS programs were playing 
ootball 100 years ago, and made this sport into the incredible spectacle that 
t is today.  Why should they have to share revenues with programs like Buffalo 
nd Central Florida that have been in I-A for only a few years?


hat's my 2 cents.


 Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:25:09 -0800> From: thehaze@earthlink.net> To: 
wu-sports@tssi.com> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...> > A 
errific column - I agree with it 100%> > -----Original Message-----> >From: 
SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>> >Sent: Jan 6, 2009 7:15 PM> >To: 
wu-sports@tssi.com> >Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...> >> 
When Obama and Utah agree on something, you KNOW the B(C)S is a bad idea and 
eeds changing.:)> >> >Aside from the typical Big Ten bas
hing, John Feinstein 
ad an interesting column on it in the Washington Post today:> >> 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/06/AR2009010600092.html> 

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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Wed Jan  7 12:21:53 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Wed Jan  7 12:21:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
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cherron604@aol.com wrote:
> So let's have:
>
> - FBS - Football Bowl Subdivision (Pac 10, Big 12, Big 10, SEC).  I suppose we could let in the ACC and the Big Least also.  And the forgotten Notre Dame
>
> - FWS - Football Whiners Subdivision (everybody else in 'old' Division I).  These guys can have a 16-team playoff and have all the fun they want.  Some might even watch the games...
>
> The FBS might produce about 40 'bowl-eligible' teams so 20 bowls (Orange, Sugar, Rose, Fiesta and BCS Title Game, and maybe 15 more). 
>   
How on earth would you get 40 bowl-eligible teams out of (at most) only 
66 schools? Remember, games against "Whiners" would be severely 
restricted in such a scenario. As the saying goes, be careful what you 
wish for...


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From e-west at northwestern.edu  Wed Jan  7 12:27:53 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Wed Jan  7 12:27:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
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Arthur Miller wrote:
> I think the article is ridiculous.  Everyone's a victim, it seems.  Well, I'm not buying the argument that a 12-0 team is always better than a 12-1 team.
>   
There's nothing in the article that makes that argument, nor does it 
claim that "everyone is a victim" (whatever that's supposed to mean). I 
do happen to think Feinstein is ridiculous to claim that the best reason 
to vote Utah #1 is the statement it would make (Utah's accomplishments 
are far better reasons to do so), but otherwise the column makes strong 
points.

[Miller also wrote]
> If you ask me, the BCS conferences need to separate from the rest of I-A and form our own football subdivision.  There are too many teams in I-A as it is, and this a large part of the difficulty in finding an equitable way of determining a champion.  As a general rule, the BCS programs were playing football 100 years ago, and made this sport into the incredible spectacle that it is today.  Why should they have to share revenues with programs like Buffalo and Central Florida that have been in I-A for only a few years?
>   
Inaccuracies aside (plenty of current BCS-conference teams weren't 
playing 100 years ago, and plenty of non-BCS teams were, as if that 
really had anything to do with anything), such a separation could be a 
great idea, if only the BCS conferences actually wanted it. They are all 
too happy considering the MAC and the Sun Belt to be part of FBS when it 
comes to gaining a winning record and bowl eligibility. I'd love to see 
what the top teams would do if they couldn't schedule the Citadels and 
Louisiana-Lafayettes of the world (both of whom were playing football 
100 years ago, by the way), but virtually no one is putting their 
schedule with their mouth is. It's simply disingenuous to claim that 
anyone outside six particular conferences should be thought of as 
"separate" from those who are currently in.

As for the "too many" argument: every other football division and 
subdivision has found an equitable way of determining a champion despite 
having far more teams than the 119/120-strong FBS. One need only look at 
basketball to see that the BCS conferences are hardly suffering by 
"sharing" their revenues with 25 other conferences, so it's strange to 
see someone complain about the possibility of sharing with five for 
football.

I don't blame the BCS powers-that-be for liking the current system: 
they're having their cake and eating it too. In the sense that the 
fatcats are getting lots and lots of money, one can even claim that the 
BCS is wildly successful. I'm not going to pretend that it leads to 
great football on the field, though, and I don't see why anyone else 
should either.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  7 12:33:21 2009
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Wed Jan  7 12:33:50 2009
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Big deal.  So we have fewer bowl-eligible teams, and fewer bowls over all.  All we lose is the lesser bowls, and we would have none of the Georgia vs. Hawaii silliness like last year.
 
And you're right:  We would also have better non-conference games, with fewer of the traditional powers opening their season by paying four patsies to come play them at home.  THAT is something I think we could all support.
 
I think the bottom line is that we can't continue to allow more and more programs to join I-A football and still whine because the system of declaring a champion isn't perfectly "fair".  Something has to give.  All the ridiculous proposals for a 16-team playoff still can't get around the fact that, unlike the NFL, the I-A conferences will persist in having huge, systemic, disparities in strength.
 
 
 
> How on earth would you get 40 bowl-eligible teams out of (at most) only 66 schools? Remember, games against "Whiners" would be severely restricted in such a scenario. As the saying goes, be careful what you wish for...
> 
> Eric West
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jan  7 12:47:13 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan  7 12:47:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
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Prior to the Mid-90's I think is was strictly a vote by coaches in one poll 
and sportswriters in another

In 1984 BYU (not quite Utah--but similar) went undefeated beating Michigan in 
the Holiday Bowl( I think it was 24-17 lead by QB Robbie Bosco)--They were 
voted #1 as no other schools from a big name conference went undefeated that 
year--

I think the old approach was fine--BYU probably deserved the ranking and 
there was no computer  system  to deny them--the only way they would have been 
denied was if those voting felt their accomplishments in a seemingly weaker 
conference was not merited.

I dont know how I would vote regarding Utah, but they certainly do not have a 
shot in one of the polls--This does seem unfair--I still like the old way--It 
creates a lot of discussion and arguments !

I would venture that the NCAA hoops tournament probably gets it right less 
than half the time--it really is about the team that gets hot for a 3 week 
period--more power to those that coach their teams to win the tournament, but it 
doesnt seem to represent the best team--though does create a lot of pools which 
everyone but Rick Neuheisal seem to enjoy !

Harry


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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Wed Jan  7 12:50:40 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Wed Jan  7 12:50:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
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Arthur Miller wrote:
> All the ridiculous proposals for a 16-team playoff still can't get 
> around the fact that, unlike the NFL, the I-A conferences will persist 
> in having huge, systemic, disparities in strength.

You'll have to provide some concrete evidence for that "fact." Sure, 
there are plenty of blowout games in the current FBS, but they are as 
likely to happen within conferences as between them. Meanwhile, 
so-called "upsets" seem to increase every year, both in number and in 
degree (Appalachian State, anyone?). The myth that a team like Syracuse 
or Duke (or Indiana, or Washington, or Baylor, or Mississippi State) is 
intrinsically more worthy than Utah or Boise State is simply ludicrous, 
and has been for a while.

Of course FBS hasn't achieved NFL-like parity, but why is that 
considered something to strive for, and what does that have to do with 
the validity of a playoff anyway?


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Jan  7 13:21:31 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Jan  7 13:21:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)
Message-ID: <200901071921.n07JLV9U001622@romaine.tssi.com>

> Of course FBS hasn't achieved NFL-like parity, but why is that 
> considered something to strive for, and what does that have to do with 
> the validity of a playoff anyway?

I'm not so sure the NFL has achieved parity.  There are still a lot of
have-not teams, some of whom (like KC) have had their moments of glory
in the past but now seem doomed to ineptness.

Give me a college game between any two teams in the division formerly
known as 1-A over an NFL game between any two NFL teams any day!

BTW, the argument that going undefeated in the regular season means you're
a good team seems not to have worked for Ball State.  First they got their
hat handed to them by Buffalo, then last night by Tulsa.  
--
Mike Nolan

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Jan  7 14:46:01 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Jan  7 14:46:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
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>
> As for the "too many" argument: every other football division and
> subdivision has found an equitable way of determining a champion despite
> having far more teams than the 119/120-strong FBS. One need only look at
> basketball to see that the BCS conferences are hardly suffering by "sharing"
> their revenues with 25 other conferences, so it's strange to see someone
> complain about the possibility of sharing with five for football.
>

No, the basketball tourney benefits from such a large pool of teams (320+ in
Div. I, 64 teams in the tourney) - but remember that football money dwarfs
mens' basketball, even if basketball is typically the only other
revenue-generating sport in a typical Div. I athletic dept.

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  7 19:46:07 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jan  7 19:46:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)
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Well, here I came home thinking that it really doesn't feel like college football season anymore after Monday's game (despite the attempts to hype tomorrow's so-called title game) and we're on to college hoops, the NFL playoffs, etc.

Then I open my inbox and find all these messages.:) I was worried any more B(C)S-MESS posts would seem like me beating a dead horse and dragging on a topic, but it's alive without me, so I think I can post again.:)

Chuck wrote:
> If Utah wants to win a National Championship, join the Big
> 12 or the Pac 10

Sure, because it's so easy to just call up and join these conferences. They had to threaten congressional subpoenas just to get in the B(C)S, have gone 2-0 in B(C)S bowls in the last five years, DOMINATED an Alabama team that was #1 half the season (and one that was giving mighty Florida all it could handle into the final minutes) and went 6-0 against bowl teams.

Really, what more can they honestly do? They've gone out and scheduled tough foes (I know Michigan was down this year, but certainly not when they made the game) for road games because no one comes to Utah. They won all their games and they beat #4 by a healthy margin in a bowl.

> If I were a Utah fan I might feel mistreated, but as an NU
> fan I do not care at all

You should. If we were 12-0 this year, would we have gotten a shot at the title or would they say that the Big Ten is down, we didn't play Penn State and we should really just join the SEC if we want a shot at the title? Yup. We're far closer to Utah's predicament than Texas/USC this year or OSU last year. We have to be perfect to even have a shot and even then, we probably wouldn't get it.

> Life is often not fair.  In the early days, If you wanted

So just lie there and take it then, to paraphrase Coach Knight?

Pointing out how much the B(C)S sucks and calling for change is hardly whining. But trying to defend the current system is close to insanity.:)

As for Mike's post ...
> I'm not so sure the NFL has achieved parity.  There are
> still a lot of
> have-not teams, some of whom (like KC) have had their

I'd say the NFL has come closer than any other sport or league (when Atlanta and Miami can make the leaps they did this year, just about anything is possible :) ).

Interesting how college football seemed to be on the cusp of moving toward parity in the mid-90s with the Kansas States, Northwesterns, etc. of the world.

What ended that? The evil B(C)S. Sure it created a plethora of consolation prize mediocrity bowls (hooray 6-6!) so everyone feels happy and gets a participation trophy. But for those not drinking the Kool-Aid, it was really a powergrab by not just the Big Six conferences, but by their megapowers. Oklahoma, Ohio State, USC, Florida, Texas and LSU have dominated the B(C)S landscape and it's almost impossible to break their grip now.

> Give me a college game between any two teams in the
> division formerly
> known as 1-A over an NFL game between any two NFL teams any
> day!

OK, I give you the GMAC Bowl. Or the Sun Bowl (or is it Viagra Bowl?). Or the Weedwacker Bowl.

I love the college atmosphere and college game ... but I think I'll take any of the four games this weekend in the NFL's elite eight. Even the Cards @ Panthers.

> BTW, the argument that going undefeated in the regular
> season means you're
> a good team seems not to have worked for Ball State.  First

Aaah, but they didn't finish their regular season unbeaten - that conference title game still counts.

And there's a world of difference between playing winning the MAC (which they didn't even do) and winning the Mountain West (topping two top 15 teams), beating the likes of Michigan and Oregon State in the regular season and clobbering #4 Alabama and the mighty SEC in their Sugar Bowl.

Northwestern is in a B(C)S conference, yes, but let's not fool ourselves into thinking we have a chance in this system or anything close to enough of a stake in it to swallow the bull and defend it. You can count the number of schools who truly want the B(C)S on a hand or two at most - unfortunately for fans in general and NU fans in particular, they're the ones in charge.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From clzahn at mindspring.com  Wed Jan  7 21:23:54 2009
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Wed Jan  7 21:31:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
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I totally disagree.  I'm really sick of hearing about this issue.  Only  
the sports nuts and sports writers want a playoff.  The average fan 
doesn't want a playoff.

Clark Zahn

Jim Bendat wrote:
> A terrific column - I agree with it 100%
>
> -----Original Message-----
>   
>> From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Jan 6, 2009 7:15 PM
>> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
>>
>> When Obama and Utah agree on something, you KNOW the B(C)S is a bad idea and needs changing.:)
>>
>> Aside from the typical Big Ten bashing, John Feinstein had an interesting column on it in the Washington Post today:
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/06/AR2009010600092.html
>>
>> GO CATS!!!
>> -SjT
>>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jan  7 21:34:16 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Jan  7 21:34:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
Message-ID: <46E882DEB7894A968E65CD3D5A42B2AB@DennisMachine>

Another disgraceful b-ball performance at Wisconsin tonight.  To our dismal rebounding performance we added a total inability to shoot.  Lord almighty, please send us a center and a power forward with athletic ability.
From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Wed Jan  7 21:46:34 2009
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Wed Jan  7 21:46:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
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Emperor Bienen must first dump Darth Carmody.  Until then, Lord Almighty
ain't doing nothing.

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Another disgraceful b-ball performance at Wisconsin tonight.  To our dismal
rebounding performance we added a total inability to shoot.  Lord almighty,
please send us a center and a power forward with athletic ability.
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From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Wed Jan  7 21:58:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
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Bienen won't do it; hopefully, Morty Schapiro will see the light very quickly and get Carmody out of here.


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>Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
>
>Emperor Bienen must first dump Darth Carmody.  Until then, Lord Almighty
>ain't doing nothing.
>
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>Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
>
>Another disgraceful b-ball performance at Wisconsin tonight.  To our dismal
>rebounding performance we added a total inability to shoot.  Lord almighty,
>please send us a center and a power forward with athletic ability.
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From michael.vance at att.net  Wed Jan  7 22:27:45 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Wed Jan  7 22:27:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
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Hakirsch@aol.com wrote:
> I would venture that the NCAA hoops tournament probably gets it right less 
> than half the time--it really is about the team that gets hot for a 3 week 
> period--more power to those that coach their teams to win the tournament
But that's part of the reason for Michigan State's success in the Izzo 
era.  Tom Izzo has said that he'll play anyone, anywhere, anytime, and 
their non-conference schedule each year lives up to that.  And they 
usually lose some of those tough NC games (I meant that as 
non-conference, but this year it was also UNC).  But they are so much 
tougher for it come conference play and NCAA tourney time.  And 
everybody wins because the fans (and the whole country, a lot of the 
time) get to watch great non-conference basketball games.


-Michael

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 04:49:12 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu Jan  8 04:49:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] clark has this one right
Message-ID: <374763.24454.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The only people who want a playoff in college football are people who are NFL fans first and then CFB fans second. 

I know 100-plus hearty, dedicated CFB fans and less than 5 want a playoff, even the plus-one version. This is not the NFL, nor do we want it to be. (For example, the Eagles took about half the season off with inept play and now very well could be in the Stupor Bowl.)

Since almost 90 percent of sports writers are NFL fanatics (I am a sports editor by profession; I see this all the time. No other sports attracts every sports writer other than the NFL) when they pay attention to CFB (only late in the season) they want it to be like the NFL, which is familiar to them.  

Every time CFB takes a step towards the NFL, whether it be timing rules, replay, style-wise (thank God the West Coast offense failed in CFB), or postseason-wise, I don't like it and I don't think most true CFB fans do, either.

I do, however, quite agree with Steven that I dislike the BCS. But I want the old New Year's Day back, with five bowls, conference tie-ins, etc., not an NFL-style playoff. 

BTW the rest of the world would look at "playoffs" American-style and shake their heads; in their (soccer) leagues the regular season is everything, plus Cup play, in which (horrors!) NO SEEDING is used, it's just a random draw and everybody's in them anyway. 

I don't see CFB fans besieging the NFL to change its game to be more like CFB (CFB replay, for one, is better than NFL replay rules). Why the reverse? Because pro American sports fans can't imagine anything else but NFL-style playoffs.

I like, as Harry said, the arguing, disputes, who's-No.-1? stuff, it makes the sport what it is. 

Hands off, NFL fanatics!!

Brad Wilson





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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan  8 06:47:42 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan  8 06:47:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ...
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>The average fan doesn't want a playoff.
> 
And your source for this statement is . . .?

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 07:21:51 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Jan  8 07:21:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] clark has this one right
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> The only people who want a playoff in college football are
> people who are NFL fans first and then CFB fans second. 

As someone who has been a college football fanatic his entire life and been to games at every Big Ten stadium and Notre Dame (several times for games not involving NU) I can tell you that this is 100% wrong.

We are not whiners. We are not inferior fans.

We simply cannot accept how this stupid, insane, illogical B(C)-MESS has ruined the game we once loved. Go back to the true bowl tradition. Go forward to a playoff. ANYTHING is better than what we have now and the only people who try and defend it are commies! (Just kidding on that last one :) ).

> BTW the rest of the world would look at
> "playoffs" American-style and shake their heads;
> in their (soccer) leagues the regular season is everything,

Sure, because winning your division in the World Cup or UEFA has everything to do with who ends up crowned the champion.

> I don't see CFB fans besieging the NFL to change its
> game to be more like CFB (CFB replay, for one, is better
> than NFL replay rules). Why the reverse? Because pro

Sure they do. Overtime is an excellent example - and it just came up again this weekend when the Colts never had a chance to win in OT.

As for replay, I don't really think one system is clearly better. Both have tweaked their systems to best fit their game. College didn't want all the challenges and an NFL game would have a lot more stops and starts if every play was reviewed.

> I like, as Harry said, the arguing, disputes,
> who's-No.-1? stuff, it makes the sport what it is. 

But that was the old system. The present system declares a #1 between a select few teams and shoves it down our throat without anything on the field really mattering (not even the so-called meaningful regular season). First it was the computers who favored schools like FSU (even when they lost to Miami on the field) or Big XII schools (even when they didn't even play in their league's title game) ... now it's a bunch of human voters wowed by big scores and routs over results on the field or allowing one conference to have a loss and still matter because they're the mighty SEC whereas everyone else better be perfect - and even then ...
 
> Hands off, NFL fanatics!!

Rise up, TRUE college football fans! :)

Oh yeah, and hands off commies! :)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

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From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Thu Jan  8 07:56:48 2009
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[SjT wrote:]>Overtime is an excellent example - and it just came up again this weekend when the Colts never had a chance to win in OT.
WHOA, I have to take exception to this statement.  The Colts definitely had a chance to win in OT.  They could have chosen what is called "playing defense".  (Also, "don't commit penalties".)
 
They chose neither, so they lost.
 
 
 
 
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 08:13:47 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu Jan  8 08:14:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)
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>
> Northwestern is in a B(C)S conference, yes, but let's not fool ourselves
> into thinking we have a chance in this system or anything close to enough of
> a stake in it to swallow the bull and defend it. You can count the number of
> schools who truly want the B(C)S on a hand or two at most - unfortunately
> for fans in general and NU fans in particular, they're the ones in charge.
>

I would argue that NU benefits GREATLY from the BCS system that's currently
in place.

1. Money - NU is in a BCS conference, and not just any - but one of the two
most popular conferences in the nation that rakes in the most cash.  NU
benefits greatly from the TV revenue and bowl deals that the Big Ten has -
and directly benefits from all of that BCS cash (and benefits even more when
the conference gets 2 teams in BCS games, which has happened routinely since
its inception), thanks to conference revenue sharing.  Fair or not, NU was
grabbed the 5th Big Ten bowl slot, which happened to be a bowl game with a
payout of over $2.2 million and a game between 2 ranked opponents, not too
bad - especially with other conferences having to send their 2nd best team
to a game with a payout under $1 million.

2. Attention - NU garnered a good bit of attention this season (rightly so)
for achieving 9 wins, including a top 25 ranking for the final few weeks of
the season.  There is no way that NU would garner such attention if a part
of a "mid major" conference where a team has to really go on a tear to
appear on the national radar.

As others mentioned, NU would have to basically go undefeated to get to the
national title game - but so does just about every other team in the
nation.  Look, even powerhouses Texas and USC couldn't overcome those losses
to get into this year's championship game.  If NU were to go undefeated, it
would get into the game (unless a situation like 2004 emerged) thanks to
being in the Big Ten.  NU has a big say in how things go thanks to being a
part of such a successful conference.

Jonathan
From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Jan  8 08:23:00 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  8 08:23:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)
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I prefer to think of us as (to be entirely non-partisan) somebody like George HW Bush or Jay Rockefeller, somebody who woke up one day, and fornd out they were members of a very exclusive club.? We have woken up and found that we are part of the BCS, and, despite the fact that we have not done alot historically to merit this spot, it is not in our self interest to oppose or question it.

Perhaps Bush and Rockefeller, in their more contemplative moments, have wondered - 'Do I deserve this ?? Is it fair ?'.? I am sure they both have, through charities/foundations, sought to do some good with what they have.? But I don't believe that either of them has ever advocated tearing down the system that has gotten them to this place.

We too would be foolish to tinker with a system that rewards us, perhaps unfairly, for being part of a very exclusive club.

The University will always do good works, both nationally, and in the community.? All of our student athletes are active in charitable works and in their communities.? That we benefit from the BCS' inequity is perhaps an unfortunate result of our society's systemic inequity, but lacking a change in that fundamental fact, we should probably not expect change anytime soon.

And tell the BCS to get that inflated bowl-share/TV check to Central Street soon...We have got to start preparing (spending money)?for 2009...

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85







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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)



Well, here I came home thinking that it really doesn't feel like college 
football season anymore after Monday's game (despite the attempts to hype 
tomorrow's so-called title game) and we're on to college hoops, the NFL 
playoffs, etc.

Then I open my inbox and find all these messages.:) I was worried any more 
B(C)S-MESS posts would seem like me beating a dead horse and dragging on a 
topic, but it's alive without me, so I think I can post again.:)

Chuck wrote:
> If Utah wants to win a National Championship, join the Big
> 12 or the Pac 10

Sure, because it's so easy to just call up and join these conferences. They had 
to threaten congressional subpoenas just to get in the B(C)S, have gone 2-0 in 
B(C)S bowls in the last five years, DOMINATED an Alabama team that was #1 half 
the season (and one that was giving mighty Florida all it could handle into the 
final minutes) and went 6-0 against bowl teams.

Really, what more can they honestly do? They've gone out and scheduled tough 
foes (I know Michigan was down this year, but certainly not when they made the 
game) for road games because no one comes to Utah. They won all their games and 
they beat #4 by a healthy margin in a bowl.

> If I were a Utah fan I might feel mistreated, but as an NU
> fan I do not care at all

You should. If we were 12-0 this year, would we have gotten a shot at the title 
or would they say that the Big Ten is down, we didn't play Penn State and we 
should really just join the SEC if we want a shot at the title? Yup. We're far 
closer to Utah's predicament than Texas/USC this year or OSU last year. We have 
to be perfect to even have a shot and even then, we probably wouldn't get it.

> Life is often not fair.  In the early days, If you wanted

So just lie there and take it then, to paraphrase Coach Knight?

Pointing out how much the B(C)S sucks and calling for change is hardly whining. 
But trying to defend the current system is close to insanity.:)

As for Mike's post ...
> I'm not so sure the NFL has achieved parity.  There are
>
 still a lot of
> have-not teams, some of whom (like KC) have had their

I'd say the NFL has come closer than any other sport or league (when Atlanta and 
Miami can make the leaps they did this year, just about anything is possible :) 
).

Interesting how college football seemed to be on the cusp of moving toward 
parity in the mid-90s with the Kansas States, Northwesterns, etc. of the world.

What ended that? The evil B(C)S. Sure it created a plethora of consolation prize 
mediocrity bowls (hooray 6-6!) so everyone feels happy and gets a participation 
trophy. But for those not drinking the Kool-Aid, it was really a powergrab by 
not just the Big Six conferences, but by their megapowers. Oklahoma, Ohio State, 
USC, Florida, Texas and LSU have dominated the B(C)S landscape and it's almost 
impossible to break their grip now.

> Give me a college game between any two teams in the
> division formerly
> known as 1-A over an NFL game between any two NFL teams any
> day!

OK, I give you the GMAC Bowl. Or the Sun Bowl (or is it Viagra Bowl?). Or the 
Weedwacker Bowl.

I love the college atmosphere and college game ... but I think I'll take any of 
the four games this weekend in the NFL's elite eight. Even the Cards @ Panthers.

> BTW, the argument that going undefeated in the regular
> season means you're
> a good team seems not to have worked for Ball State.  First

Aaah, but they didn't finish their regular season unbeaten - that conference 
title game still counts.

And there's a world of difference between playing winning the MAC (which they 
didn't even do) and winning the Mountain West (topping two top 15 teams), 
beating the likes of Michigan and Oregon State in the regular season and 
clobbering #4 Alabama and the mighty SEC in their Sugar Bowl.

Northwestern is in a B(C)S conference, yes, but let's not fool ourselves into 
thinking we have a chance in this system or anything close to enough of a stake 
in it to swallow the bull and defend it. You can count the number of schools who 
truly want the B(C)S on a 
hand or two at most - unfortunately for fans in 
general and NU fans in particular, they're the ones in charge.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Jan  8 08:25:47 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  8 08:26:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
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Are we looking at two wins this season (over the Hoosiers) ?? Or even less ?? This is going downhill in a hurry.? So unfortunate in light of what some of the other programs at NU are achieving.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


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Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)



Another disgraceful b-ball performance at Wisconsin tonight.  To our dismal 
rebounding performance we added a total inability to shoot.  Lord almighty, 
please send us a center and a power forward with athletic ability.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan  8 08:34:31 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan  8 08:34:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] clark has this one right
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I promise to drop the politics after this, but....

As our organized crime mob in DC continues their quest to become more like
Great Britain, with socialism in the forefront..

I expect that the Feds will eventually bail out all of the bowl operators in
their attempt to placate the masses with a new form of "Bread and Circuses"
- whatever that might be. Pro sports would probably be next (look at all the
cash flow to prop up the failing government programs).

When they try to remove term limits, we'll know that we're in the new Rome,
and destined to fall, hopefully, not in my lifetime..

rsl  

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[SjT wrote:]>Overtime is an excellent example - and it just came up again
this weekend when the Colts never had a chance to win in OT.
WHOA, I have to take exception to this statement.  The Colts definitely had
a chance to win in OT.  They could have chosen what is called "playing
defense".  (Also, "don't commit penalties".)
 
They chose neither, so they lost.
 
 
 
 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan  8 08:58:26 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Jan  8 08:58:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)
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Disagree that an undefeated season would automatically get us into the title game. 

If we had beaten OSU and MSU in close games and not stumbled at IN, I think we still would have been outvoted because of strength of sched claims just like Utah.  Our only chance to play in a NC game would be if we were able to displace Mich or OSU as that traditional BT champ and go through a couple of years of getting screwed by the system (PSU). Our pattern is more like Hoosiers.  The best this system is going to do for us is the Rose Bowl in those years that the Rose Bowl doesn't have the BCS championship game.  

That said, I also agree that NU benefits in a disproportionate way. So at least we're getting paid when we get screwed.  

Jeff

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>
> Northwestern is in a B(C)S conference, yes, but let's not fool ourselves
> into thinking we have a chance in this system or anything close to enough of
> a stake in it to swallow the bull and defend it. You can count the number of
> schools who truly want the B(C)S on a hand or two at most - unfortunately
> for fans in general and NU fans in particular, they're the ones in charge.
>

I would argue that NU benefits GREATLY from the BCS system that's currently
in place.

1. Money - NU is in a BCS conference, and not just any - but one of the two
most popular conferences in the nation that rakes in the most cash.  NU
benefits greatly from the TV revenue and bowl deals that the Big Ten has -
and directly benefits from all of that BCS cash (and benefits even more when
the conference gets 2 teams in BCS games, which has happened routinely since
its inception), thanks to conference revenue sharing.  Fair or not, NU was
grabbed the 5th Big Ten bowl slot, which happened to be a bowl game with a
payout of over $2.2 million and a game between 2 ranked opponents, not too
bad - especially with other conferences having to send their 2nd best team
to a game with a payout under $1 million.

2. Attention - NU garnered a good bit of attention this season (rightly so)
for achieving 9 wins, including a top 25 ranking for the final few weeks of
the season.  There is no way that NU would garner such attention if a part
of a "mid major" conference where a team has to really go on a tear to
appear on the national radar.

As others mentioned, NU would have to basically go undefeated to get to the
national title game - but so does just about every other team in the
nation.  Look, even powerhouses Texas and USC couldn't overcome those losses
to get into this year's championship game.  If NU were to go undefeated, it
would get into the game (unless a situation like 2004 emerged) thanks to
being in the Big Ten.  NU has a big say in how things go thanks to being a
part of such a successful conference.

Jonathan

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan  8 09:02:54 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan  8 09:02:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
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I am very worried after last night's disaster in Madison.

We finally have 3 big guys to play the middle, and they all seem to get
fouled up.

Big 10 teams have figured out that you smother Moore and try to smother
Coble, leaving Thompson to try to score from outside - where he rushes his
shots. 

The Big 10 also appears to have figured out the Princeton offense, and takes
away the backdoor cuts while shutting down the perimeter shooting.

On the plus side (thanks Dave) - the Cats have played and lost to two of the
leagues better teams. So far every opposing coach has good things to say
about how we play and how they don't take us for granted. 

BC is rotating big men in the middle, trying to find a guy who can play his
offense the way Hardy or Jenkins did while adding more defense. Both centers
are still developing a 3 point shot (since they haven't tried any in a game)
and learning the 1-3-1 the way the coaches want it played. It is too bad
that we don't redshirt more roundball players the way Sterling did.

He hasn?t cracked the starting lineup, but he seems to be playing with more
maturity when he does get in the game.

This team is proof that you just can't take a couple of shooters, surround
them with big guys, and win. 

However, I honestly still believe that this team can improve enough to get a
few more wins in January, and maybe play to their potential in February. The
point in basketball, or any sport with a playoff, is to peak towards the end
of the season.

The Cats are definitely in the position of having to peak late, because
they're struggling right now.

rsl

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Are we looking at two wins this season (over the Hoosiers) ?? Or even less
?? This is going downhill in a hurry.? So unfortunate in light of what some
of the other programs at NU are achieving.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 9:34 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)



Another disgraceful b-ball performance at Wisconsin tonight.  To our dismal 
rebounding performance we added a total inability to shoot.  Lord almighty, 
please send us a center and a power forward with athletic ability.
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan  8 09:08:04 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  8 09:08:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)
Message-ID: <d06.491d2f14.369770d4@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/8/2009 6:59:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com writes:

> Disagree that an undefeated season would automatically get us into the 
> title game. 
> 
> If we had beaten OSU and MSU in close games and not stumbled at IN, I think 
> we still would have been outvoted because of strength of sched claims just 
> like Utah.  Our only chance to play in a NC game would be if we were able to 
> displace Mich or OSU as that traditional BT champ and go through a couple of 
> years of getting screwed by the system (PSU). Our pattern is more like 
> Hoosiers.  The best this system is going to do for us is the Rose Bowl in those years 
> that the Rose Bowl doesn't have the BCS championship game.  
> 
> That said, I also agree that NU benefits in a disproportionate way. So at 
> least we're getting paid when we get screwed.  
> 
> Jeff
> 

We arent getting screwed by the system since we havent gone un-defeated yet ! 
 And dont count on it happening for awhile .  We are helped by being in the 
BT by getting conference splits on funds and we are helped in that we have a 
shot every year of going to the Rose Bowl, (generally considred the most 
prestigious of the bowl games)

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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Thu Jan  8 09:12:25 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Thu Jan  8 09:12:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] clark has this one right
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Brad Wilson wrote:
> The only people who want a playoff in college football are people who are NFL fans first and then CFB fans second.
>   

Oy. When you start off with a statement this patently wrong, you've 
already lost the discussion.

Setting aside the insulting "everyone who truly matters agrees with me" 
assertion, one could just as easily argue that the truest 
representations of student athletes in college football -- those in the 
other divisions and subdivisions -- all have a playoff. Only the 
low-graduating, showboating, corporate-sponsored, and network-contracted 
(i.e., the most NFL-like) top subdivision avoids a playoff and pretends 
that Tostitos and FedEx are the true sacred cows to be protected.

There are reasons to like the bowl system, but this ad hominem stuff has 
no logic to it at all.


Eric West
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Jan  8 09:28:49 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  8 09:29:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)
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If going to the Rose Bowl is getting screwed, then I'll gladly get screwed (so to speak).

I may be in the minority on this, but a crystal football shaped trophy is less important to me than the 3 recent Big Ten Championship trophies we already have (plus the old ones, of course), and a Rose Bowl trophy (whatever that looks like) would be great also.

I might even feel a little let down if we went 12-0 and didn't go to Pasadena.? Again, in my mind, Pasadena on New Year's Day is an incredible feeling, a matchless experience.? It is what I always dreamed about from the first time I saw a college football game, a?late 70's matchup with Utah at an empty?Dyche Stadium (didn't seem very likely at that point in time).? I am not sure that January 8th, at night, in Fort Lauderdale or Tempe would feel the same (apologies to all the South Florida and Valley of the Sun people).

The greatest feeling in my football life was still emerging from those tunnels at the Rose Bowl, seeing the snow-capped peaks in the distance, seeing the sea of purple, (not seeing the seat numbers in my section, which had been inexplicably made illegible), the sun, the palm trees, the gentle breezes wafting through the Arroyo Seco, and seeing 'NORTHWESTERN' in the end zone.? I should probably aspire to more, but 13-0 and Rose Bowl Champions would certainly be sufficient for me.

And the big check (probably the same $$$ as it would be if we were BCS Champions) would be nice too...

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 8:58 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)



Disagree that an undefeated season would automatically get us into the title 
game. 

If we had beaten OSU and MSU in close games and not stumbled at IN, I think we 
still would have been outvoted because of strength of sched claims just like 
Utah.  Our only chance to play in a NC game would be if we were able to displace 
Mich or OSU as that traditional BT champ and go through a couple of years of 
getting screwed by the system (PSU). Our pattern is more like Hoosiers.  The 
best this system is going to do for us is the Rose Bowl in those years that the 
Rose Bowl doesn't have the BCS championship game.  

That said, I also agree that NU benefits in a disproportionate way. So at least 
we're getting paid when we get screwed.  

Jeff

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com <nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>
To: sjtruog@yahoo.com <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Thu Jan 08 09:13:47 2009
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)

>
> Northwestern is in a B(C)S conference, yes, but let's not fool ourselves
> into thinking we have a chance in this system or anything close to enough of
> a stake in it to swallow the bull and defend it. You can count the number of
> schools who truly want the B(C)S on a hand or two at most - unfortunately
> for fans in general and NU fans in particular, they're the ones in charge.
>

I would argue that NU benefits GREATLY from the BCS system that's currently
in place.

1. Money - NU is in a BCS conference, and not just any - but one of the two
most popular conferences in the nation that rakes in the most cash.  NU
benefits greatly from the TV revenue and bowl deals that the Big Ten has -
and directly benefits from all of that BCS cash (and benefits even more when
the conference gets 2 teams in BCS games, which has happened routinely since
its inception), thanks to conference revenue sharing.  Fair or not, NU was
grabbed the 5th Big Ten bowl slot, which happened to be a bowl game with a
payout 
of over $2.2 million and a game between 2 ranked opponents, not too
bad - especially with other conferences having to send their 2nd best team
to a game with a payout under $1 million.

2. Attention - NU garnered a good bit of attention this season (rightly so)
for achieving 9 wins, including a top 25 ranking for the final few weeks of
the season.  There is no way that NU would garner such attention if a part
of a "mid major" conference where a team has to really go on a tear to
appear on the national radar.

As others mentioned, NU would have to basically go undefeated to get to the
national title game - but so does just about every other team in the
nation.  Look, even powerhouses Texas and USC couldn't overcome those losses
to get into this year's championship game.  If NU were to go undefeated, it
would get into the game (unless a situation like 2004 emerged) thanks to
being in the Big Ten.  NU has a big say in how things go thanks to being a
part of such a successful conference.

Jonathan

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan  8 09:29:40 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Jan  8 09:29:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] clark has this one right
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I appreciate the purity of the libertarians.  I also appreciate the parallels to the Roman Empire

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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] clark has this one right

I promise to drop the politics after this, but....

As our organized crime mob in DC continues their quest to become more like
Great Britain, with socialism in the forefront..

I expect that the Feds will eventually bail out all of the bowl operators in
their attempt to placate the masses with a new form of "Bread and Circuses"
- whatever that might be. Pro sports would probably be next (look at all the
cash flow to prop up the failing government programs).

When they try to remove term limits, we'll know that we're in the new Rome,
and destined to fall, hopefully, not in my lifetime..

rsl  

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[SjT wrote:]>Overtime is an excellent example - and it just came up again
this weekend when the Colts never had a chance to win in OT.
WHOA, I have to take exception to this statement.  The Colts definitely had
a chance to win in OT.  They could have chosen what is called "playing
defense".  (Also, "don't commit penalties".)
 
They chose neither, so they lost.
 
 
 
 
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 09:43:28 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Jan  8 09:43:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <8CB3FBCF05705EF-BD8-4F1@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <882560.13505.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> I may be in the minority on this, but a crystal football
> shaped trophy is less important to me than the 3 recent Big
> Ten Championship trophies we already have (plus the old
> ones, of course), and a Rose Bowl trophy (whatever that
> looks like) would be great also.

+1

> 
> I might even feel a little let down if we went 12-0 and
> didn't go to Pasadena.? Again, in my mind, Pasadena on
> New Year's Day is an incredible feeling, a matchless
> experience.? 

+1

The thought of the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, with all those damn Tostitos signs everywhere, makes me a bit ill. I'm sure if a national championship was on the line, I'd be happy enough to deal with it. But the Rose Bowl reigns supreme. 

I grew up in Big 8 country, so the Orange Bowl always meant more to me than the Rose Bowl. 

So, late in the '95 season, I didn't really care where we went--I figured any bowl trip would be as good as any other. As it happened, I was in LA the weekend we were playing Purdue for (at least a piece) of the championship. I made sure to stop by the Rose Bowl to check it out, and I was awestruck. Suddenly, it really, really mattered to me that we end up there. And thanks to Michigan beating OSU, we did. I can't wait to go back. 

Tom

From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan  8 10:12:06 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan  8 10:12:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)
References: <8CB3FB3BD2C2242-BD8-80@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <A73D03FCB396407B86779379F469E572@DennisMachine>

> Perhaps Bush and Rockefeller, in their more contemplative moments, have 
> wondered - 'Do I deserve this ?? Is it fair ?'

So did Washington, Lincoln, and Truman.  Clinton may have sat in the Oval 
Office the first time and said, "The gig ain't over 'til the fat lady sings. 
Where is Monica anyway?" 

From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan  8 10:18:51 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan  8 10:19:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
References: <46E882DEB7894A968E65CD3D5A42B2AB@DennisMachine>
	<8CB3FB4224B7C7C-BD8-AB@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com>
	<000101c971a2$2f3b0ed0$8db12c70$@com>
Message-ID: <381657FB96C04A52BE876FCFF2E06E42@DennisMachine>

<This team is proof that you just can't take a couple of shooters, surround
them with big guys, and win.

You can if they have some ability.  Rowley looks utterly lost out there.  If 
anyone needed a redshirt year it is he. 

From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan  8 10:20:53 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan  8 10:20:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)
References: <882560.13505.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <07B213CE05034E54AD8EB0728FA7E036@DennisMachine>

<The thought of the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, with all those damn Tostitos signs 
everywhere, makes me a bit ill.

Then don't eat so many. 

From Winkler_Brian_H at cat.com  Thu Jan  8 11:11:16 2009
From: Winkler_Brian_H at cat.com (Brian H. Winkler)
Date: Thu Jan  8 11:14:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl vs Playoff Survey - Very Scientific Sample Size -
	Please Respond
In-Reply-To: <374763.24454.qm@web51309.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <OF4FE5F82D.4A64E2E0-ON86257538.005D352F-86257538.005E6CCC@notes.cat.com>

In the spirit of facts and data, I am curious what our list would favor 
for the CFB post season.

Please reply back directly to me and choose one of the three options 
below.  I will compile the results.


CFB Postseason Options:


___  Current Bowl System

___  Full Playoffs (Similar to I-AA)

___  Hybrid (Current Bowls and Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds)


I realize there are other options but let's go with these to keep it 
simple and they seem to be the ones most discussed.

Let's find out where our group is.


Brian Winkler, CAS '91






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Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until: 02/07/2009 



The only people who want a playoff in college football are people who are 
NFL fans first and then CFB fans second. 

I know 100-plus hearty, dedicated CFB fans and less than 5 want a playoff, 
even the plus-one version. This is not the NFL, nor do we want it to be. 
(For example, the Eagles took about half the season off with inept play 
and now very well could be in the Stupor Bowl.)

Since almost 90 percent of sports writers are NFL fanatics (I am a sports 
editor by profession; I see this all the time. No other sports attracts 
every sports writer other than the NFL) when they pay attention to CFB 
(only late in the season) they want it to be like the NFL, which is 
familiar to them. 

Every time CFB takes a step towards the NFL, whether it be timing rules, 
replay, style-wise (thank God the West Coast offense failed in CFB), or 
postseason-wise, I don't like it and I don't think most true CFB fans do, 
either.

I do, however, quite agree with Steven that I dislike the BCS. But I want 
the old New Year's Day back, with five bowls, conference tie-ins, etc., 
not an NFL-style playoff. 

BTW the rest of the world would look at "playoffs" American-style and 
shake their heads; in their (soccer) leagues the regular season is 
everything, plus Cup play, in which (horrors!) NO SEEDING is used, it's 
just a random draw and everybody's in them anyway. 

I don't see CFB fans besieging the NFL to change its game to be more like 
CFB (CFB replay, for one, is better than NFL replay rules). Why the 
reverse? Because pro American sports fans can't imagine anything else but 
NFL-style playoffs.

I like, as Harry said, the arguing, disputes, who's-No.-1? stuff, it makes 
the sport what it is. 

Hands off, NFL fanatics!!

Brad Wilson





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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Thu Jan  8 11:17:19 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Jan  8 11:17:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Utah and the playoff ... (fwd)
Message-ID: <010820091717.9498.4966351F0006115B0000251A2212059214090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

I agree with Tom. Going to the Rose bowl was a terrific experience.  My wife, a Penn State Alum, went to the Rose Bowl this year and despite Penn State's loss, and NU's loss there for that matter, were experiences not to be forgotten.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com>
> > I may be in the minority on this, but a crystal football
> > shaped trophy is less important to me than the 3 recent Big
> > Ten Championship trophies we already have (plus the old
> > ones, of course), and a Rose Bowl trophy (whatever that
> > looks like) would be great also.
> 
> +1
> 
> > 
> > I might even feel a little let down if we went 12-0 and
> > didn't go to Pasadena.? Again, in my mind, Pasadena on
> > New Year's Day is an incredible feeling, a matchless
> > experience.? 
> 
> +1
> 
> The thought of the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl, with all those damn Tostitos signs 
> everywhere, makes me a bit ill. I'm sure if a national championship was on the 
> line, I'd be happy enough to deal with it. But the Rose Bowl reigns supreme. 
> 
> I grew up in Big 8 country, so the Orange Bowl always meant more to me than the 
> Rose Bowl. 
> 
> So, late in the '95 season, I didn't really care where we went--I figured any 
> bowl trip would be as good as any other. As it happened, I was in LA the weekend 
> we were playing Purdue for (at least a piece) of the championship. I made sure 
> to stop by the Rose Bowl to check it out, and I was awestruck. Suddenly, it 
> really, really mattered to me that we end up there. And thanks to Michigan 
> beating OSU, we did. I can't wait to go back. 
> 
> Tom
> 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan  8 11:19:54 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan  8 11:20:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl vs Playoff Survey - Very Scientific Sample Size
	-Please Respond
References: <OF4FE5F82D.4A64E2E0-ON86257538.005D352F-86257538.005E6CCC@notes.cat.com>
Message-ID: <9180BF122A1E4C3A9FC7DE036FFB1D5D@DennisMachine>

___  Current Bowl System

_X_  Full Playoffs (Similar to I-AA)

___  Hybrid (Current Bowls and Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds)


My only concern would be the toll the players would take.  I would prefer to 
see one regular season game cut if we have a playoff system.  I note you 
didn't allow for keeping the current system. 

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Thu Jan  8 11:21:23 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Jan  8 11:21:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] clark has this one right
Message-ID: <010820091721.18800.49663612000CF918000049702212059214090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

I disagre with Jeff.  The only thing that can save this country from the political bums in Washington, be they Dems or Republicans, is term limits on Congress.

John DeGroat.
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>
> I appreciate the purity of the libertarians.  I also appreciate the parallels to 
> the Roman Empire
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com <nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>
> To: 'Arthur Miller' <artmiller1@hotmail.com>; sjtruog@yahoo.com 
> <sjtruog@yahoo.com>; nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Thu Jan 08 09:34:31 2009
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] clark has this one right
> 
> I promise to drop the politics after this, but....
> 
> As our organized crime mob in DC continues their quest to become more like
> Great Britain, with socialism in the forefront..
> 
> I expect that the Feds will eventually bail out all of the bowl operators in
> their attempt to placate the masses with a new form of "Bread and Circuses"
> - whatever that might be. Pro sports would probably be next (look at all the
> cash flow to prop up the failing government programs).
> 
> When they try to remove term limits, we'll know that we're in the new Rome,
> and destined to fall, hopefully, not in my lifetime..
> 
> rsl  
> 
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> 
> 
> [SjT wrote:]>Overtime is an excellent example - and it just came up again
> this weekend when the Colts never had a chance to win in OT.
> WHOA, I have to take exception to this statement.  The Colts definitely had
> a chance to win in OT.  They could have chosen what is called "playing
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>  
> They chose neither, so they lost.
>  
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Thu Jan  8 11:38:15 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Jan  8 11:38:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
Message-ID: <010820091738.24128.49663A07000827BF00005E402212059214090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Our center looks like he could trip over the paint if it were more than a couple of molecules thick.  No improvement until Carmody leaves.  The other coaches pay compliments to NU to be nice in keeping with the coaches' fraternity rules..  I would really like to know what they think.  

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> I am very worried after last night's disaster in Madison.
> 
> We finally have 3 big guys to play the middle, and they all seem to get
> fouled up.
> 
> Big 10 teams have figured out that you smother Moore and try to smother
> Coble, leaving Thompson to try to score from outside - where he rushes his
> shots. 
> 
> The Big 10 also appears to have figured out the Princeton offense, and takes
> away the backdoor cuts while shutting down the perimeter shooting.
> 
> On the plus side (thanks Dave) - the Cats have played and lost to two of the
> leagues better teams. So far every opposing coach has good things to say
> about how we play and how they don't take us for granted. 
> 
> BC is rotating big men in the middle, trying to find a guy who can play his
> offense the way Hardy or Jenkins did while adding more defense. Both centers
> are still developing a 3 point shot (since they haven't tried any in a game)
> and learning the 1-3-1 the way the coaches want it played. It is too bad
> that we don't redshirt more roundball players the way Sterling did.
> 
> He hasn’t cracked the starting lineup, but he seems to be playing with more
> maturity when he does get in the game.
> 
> This team is proof that you just can't take a couple of shooters, surround
> them with big guys, and win. 
> 
> However, I honestly still believe that this team can improve enough to get a
> few more wins in January, and maybe play to their potential in February. The
> point in basketball, or any sport with a playoff, is to peak towards the end
> of the season.
> 
> The Cats are definitely in the position of having to peak late, because
> they're struggling right now.
> 
> rsl
> 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:26 AM
> To: tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
> 
> Are we looking at two wins this season (over the Hoosiers) ?? Or even less
> ?? This is going downhill in a hurry.? So unfortunate in light of what some
> of the other programs at NU are achieving.
> 
> Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 9:34 pm
> Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
> 
> 
> 
> Another disgraceful b-ball performance at Wisconsin tonight.  To our dismal 
> rebounding performance we added a total inability to shoot.  Lord almighty, 
> please send us a center and a power forward with athletic ability.
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan  8 11:41:17 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Jan  8 11:41:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] clark has this one right
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE02EDF1C8@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Didn't say that I felt libertarianism is THE  solution to our problem. Just appreciate it's simplicity. 

As far as our elected reps, they may be bums, but they are our bums. 

We've had term limits in Michigan for a while. All it has done is polarized the parties and deprive the state of those experienced at building the  bipartisan coalitions necessary to address the current budget woes.

IMHO the problem is how campaigns are financed. 

Remove the money and you eliminate the biggest corrupting element. 

Jeff 

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] clark has this one right

I disagre with Jeff.  The only thing that can save this country from the political bums in Washington, be they Dems or Republicans, is term limits on Congress.

John DeGroat.
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>
> I appreciate the purity of the libertarians.  I also appreciate the parallels to 
> the Roman Empire
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: 'Arthur Miller' <artmiller1@hotmail.com>; sjtruog@yahoo.com 
> <sjtruog@yahoo.com>; nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Thu Jan 08 09:34:31 2009
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] clark has this one right
> 
> I promise to drop the politics after this, but....
> 
> As our organized crime mob in DC continues their quest to become more like
> Great Britain, with socialism in the forefront..
> 
> I expect that the Feds will eventually bail out all of the bowl operators in
> their attempt to placate the masses with a new form of "Bread and Circuses"
> - whatever that might be. Pro sports would probably be next (look at all the
> cash flow to prop up the failing government programs).
> 
> When they try to remove term limits, we'll know that we're in the new Rome,
> and destined to fall, hopefully, not in my lifetime..
> 
> rsl  
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> 
> [SjT wrote:]>Overtime is an excellent example - and it just came up again
> this weekend when the Colts never had a chance to win in OT.
> WHOA, I have to take exception to this statement.  The Colts definitely had
> a chance to win in OT.  They could have chosen what is called "playing
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Thu Jan  8 11:48:51 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Thu Jan  8 11:49:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
In-Reply-To: <000101c971a2$2f3b0ed0$8db12c70$@com>
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I would like to say that I share coach Roy's sunny optimism about a mid- to late-season peak.
 I don't.
 More than five Big Ten wins would be a miracle. And, again, I can not for the life of me understand why Northwestern can not recruit enough guys to win. In basketball, Duke and Stanford have proven without any doubt that it is possible to win with smart guys who can also cut it at an academically demanding institution. 

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Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:03 AM
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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)

I am very worried after last night's disaster in Madison.

We finally have 3 big guys to play the middle, and they all seem to get fouled up.

Big 10 teams have figured out that you smother Moore and try to smother Coble, leaving Thompson to try to score from outside - where he rushes his shots. 

The Big 10 also appears to have figured out the Princeton offense, and takes away the backdoor cuts while shutting down the perimeter shooting.

On the plus side (thanks Dave) - the Cats have played and lost to two of the leagues better teams. So far every opposing coach has good things to say about how we play and how they don't take us for granted. 

BC is rotating big men in the middle, trying to find a guy who can play his offense the way Hardy or Jenkins did while adding more defense. Both centers are still developing a 3 point shot (since they haven't tried any in a game) and learning the 1-3-1 the way the coaches want it played. It is too bad that we don't redshirt more roundball players the way Sterling did.

He hasn't cracked the starting lineup, but he seems to be playing with more maturity when he does get in the game.

This team is proof that you just can't take a couple of shooters, surround them with big guys, and win. 

However, I honestly still believe that this team can improve enough to get a few more wins in January, and maybe play to their potential in February. The point in basketball, or any sport with a playoff, is to peak towards the end of the season.

The Cats are definitely in the position of having to peak late, because they're struggling right now.

rsl

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Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 9:26 AM
To: tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)

Are we looking at two wins this season (over the Hoosiers) ?? Or even less
?? This is going downhill in a hurry.? So unfortunate in light of what some
of the other programs at NU are achieving.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 9:34 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)



Another disgraceful b-ball performance at Wisconsin tonight.  To our dismal 
rebounding performance we added a total inability to shoot.  Lord almighty, 
please send us a center and a power forward with athletic ability.
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Thu Jan  8 11:53:40 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Thu Jan  8 11:53:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl vs Playoff Survey - Very Scientific Sample Size
	- Please Respond
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I'd prefer eliminating the BCS altogether, but failing that, keep the
current bowl system.

On 1/8/09, Brian H. Winkler <Winkler_Brian_H@cat.com> wrote:
>
> In the spirit of facts and data, I am curious what our list would favor
> for the CFB post season.
>
> Please reply back directly to me and choose one of the three options
> below.  I will compile the results.
>
>
> CFB Postseason Options:
>
>
> ___  Current Bowl System
>
> ___  Full Playoffs (Similar to I-AA)
>
> ___  Hybrid (Current Bowls and Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds)
>
>
> I realize there are other options but let's go with these to keep it
> simple and they seem to be the ones most discussed.
>
> Let's find out where our group is.
>
>
> Brian Winkler, CAS '91
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146@yahoo.com>
> Sent by: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> 01/08/2009 04:49 AM
> Please respond to
> bwdolphin146@yahoo.com
>
>
> To
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> cc
>
> Subject
> [NU Sports] clark has this one right
>
>
>
>
> Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until: 02/07/2009
>
>
>
> The only people who want a playoff in college football are people who are
> NFL fans first and then CFB fans second.
>
> I know 100-plus hearty, dedicated CFB fans and less than 5 want a playoff,
> even the plus-one version. This is not the NFL, nor do we want it to be.
> (For example, the Eagles took about half the season off with inept play
> and now very well could be in the Stupor Bowl.)
>
> Since almost 90 percent of sports writers are NFL fanatics (I am a sports
> editor by profession; I see this all the time. No other sports attracts
> every sports writer other than the NFL) when they pay attention to CFB
> (only late in the season) they want it to be like the NFL, which is
> familiar to them.
>
> Every time CFB takes a step towards the NFL, whether it be timing rules,
> replay, style-wise (thank God the West Coast offense failed in CFB), or
> postseason-wise, I don't like it and I don't think most true CFB fans do,
> either.
>
> I do, however, quite agree with Steven that I dislike the BCS. But I want
> the old New Year's Day back, with five bowls, conference tie-ins, etc.,
> not an NFL-style playoff.
>
> BTW the rest of the world would look at "playoffs" American-style and
> shake their heads; in their (soccer) leagues the regular season is
> everything, plus Cup play, in which (horrors!) NO SEEDING is used, it's
> just a random draw and everybody's in them anyway.
>
> I don't see CFB fans besieging the NFL to change its game to be more like
> CFB (CFB replay, for one, is better than NFL replay rules). Why the
> reverse? Because pro American sports fans can't imagine anything else but
> NFL-style playoffs.
>
> I like, as Harry said, the arguing, disputes, who's-No.-1? stuff, it makes
> the sport what it is.
>
> Hands off, NFL fanatics!!
>
> Brad Wilson
>
>
>
>
>
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan  8 12:01:15 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  8 12:01:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
Message-ID: <d67.3c7744d6.3697996b@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/8/2009 9:50:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com writes:

> I can not for the life of me understand why Northwestern can not recruit 
> enough guys to win

I can't either--As I have ranted in many postings over the years, none of the 
half dozen head coaches at NU  in my time have been successful  (Since Tex 
Winter--who  at about age 80 still sits near Phil Jackson )--I am not sure 
getting a new coach is the answer--I do think that some people in Evanston have got 
to bang their heads together and figure how do we get better recruits ?  We 
know there are a bunch of players in the Chicago and suburban leagues that are 
very good--I gotta believe some of them have the academic credentials to hack 
it at NU and some of these can be convinced to attened NU rather than the 
competition--

I dont know the answer--but then that's not my expertise

Harry




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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan  8 12:07:32 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan  8 12:07:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
References: <46E882DEB7894A968E65CD3D5A42B2AB@DennisMachine><8CB3FB4224B7C7C-BD8-AB@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com>
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<I can not for the life of me understand why Northwestern can not recruit enough guys to win. 

I have stated here in years past, usually drawing strong disagreement, and I'm sure I'll hear "we can't!  we can't!  we can't" this time, too.  One of our problems is facilities.  They are old, small, and off-campus.  We have seen throughout sports that new stadiums and arenas attract larger crowds and are certainly impress more recruits than Dyche [sic] and McGaw [sic].  Is it the only problem?  No, but I do remind you that Minnesota in part built an on- or near-campus football stadium because the Metrodome, acceptable for football, is far away.  The very act of a university committing dollars to facilities is a recruiting tool.
From NEONRye at aol.com  Thu Jan  8 12:37:27 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  8 12:37:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
Message-ID: <c5a.3f96c2fc.3697a1e7@aol.com>

As I have said in the past, if we are to break the cycle of futility  
vis-a-vis Mens Hoops, our administration and AD need to think "out of the box"  and 
hire somebody like a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar--i.e., a Head Coach who will (a)  put 
us on the proverbial "map", in terms of visibility and (b) bring impeccable  
credentials to the table for recruiting purposes.   I really think an  
ex-NBA'er, who grasps the academic imperatives at NU, could succeed where others  have 
failed.  I am truly disappointed in where the Carmody Era seems to be  
heading, as I was quite excited when he was first hired.  I think at this  point we 
need a change, if for no other reason than for change's sake--i.e., the  
"Princeton Offense" is simply played out in terms of how BT teams defend us (as  
others have stated on the List many times), and there is no way out of this  
morass with the current structure.   
 
By the way, I am not as sanguine as others have suggested that the two  
Indiana games are "probable" wins.  Tom Crean is a darn good coach and  motivator.  
I would bet we will be lucky to split the two games, as Crean  will probably 
point out to his players that NU represents their best chance to  win two 
league games!:-)  And if the home crowd at Assembly Hall loudly  backs their 
Hoosiers, anyone really think the 'Cats should be favored?
 
Paul Levinson
 
 
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From ddave at nusports.com  Thu Jan  8 13:02:32 2009
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Thu Jan  8 13:02:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
Message-ID: <20090108110232.A98B93A9@resin11.mta.everyone.net>

Agree about Indiana not being checked off as "wins". They dominated a good Michigan team last night for 30 minutes... before blowing a 20 point lead to lose in OT.

MSU, Wisc, and perhaps Purdue (when Hummel/Kramer return to lineup) excluded, it seems like the other 7 teams are going to take turns beating each other up thru the conference schedule.  It will be hard for 'Cats to win (m)any except on days/nights when the 'Cats are shooting very well and the other team is shooting very badly.


dave bradley
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To: Hakirsch@aol.com, Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com, rstetson@capps-assoc.com,        CHerron604@aol.com, tbng@comcast.net, nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc:
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:37:27 EST

As I have said in the past, if we are to break the cycle of futility  
vis-a-vis Mens Hoops, our administration and AD need to think "out of the box"  and 
hire somebody like a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar--i.e., a Head Coach who will (a)  put 
us on the proverbial "map", in terms of visibility and (b) bring impeccable  
credentials to the table for recruiting purposes.   I really think an  
ex-NBA'er, who grasps the academic imperatives at NU, could succeed where others  have 
failed.  I am truly disappointed in where the Carmody Era seems to be  
heading, as I was quite excited when he was first hired.  I think at this  point we 
need a change, if for no other reason than for change's sake--i.e., the  
"Princeton Offense" is simply played out in terms of how BT teams defend us (as  
others have stated on the List many times), and there is no way out of this  
morass with the current structure.   
 
By the way, I am not as sanguine as others have suggested that the two  
Indiana games are "probable" wins.  Tom Crean is a darn good coach and  motivator.  
I would bet we will be lucky to split the two games, as Crean  will probably 
point out to his players that NU represents their best chance to  win two 
league games!:-)  And if the home crowd at Assembly Hall loudly  backs their 
Hoosiers, anyone really think the 'Cats should be favored?
 
Paul Levinson
 
 
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Jan  8 15:33:30 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  8 15:33:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
In-Reply-To: <546FCEE9C6C24769BB9DA887334AFB42@DennisMachine>
References: <46E882DEB7894A968E65CD3D5A42B2AB@DennisMachine><8CB3FB4224B7C7C-BD8-AB@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com><000101c971a2$2f3b0ed0$8db12c70$@com><33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF084C13D2@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
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Granted, McGaw Hall (sorry, Welsh-Ryan family, but I like to call it McGaw) is off campus, but it is only 2900 yards from University Hall (via Sheridan Rd and Central St).? I wonder how many of the new Big Ten Arenas are that far or a little further from the bulk of student housing ?? Carver Hawkeye Arena seems pretty remote, OSU's new arena seems pretty remote also.? 

It is also a pleasant arena, good seats, very intimate - a long way from the dirt floor/wooden bleacher mess I first stepped into back in 1980.? Now that arena probably would have harmed recruiting (though we recruited some nice players back in the days of old McGaw - Falk's NIT team that played their games at DePaul must've been intrigued by the wooden bleachers and dust cloud that existed in there).

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:07 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)



<I can not for the life of me understand why Northwestern can not recruit enough 
guys to win. 

I have stated here in years past, usually drawing strong disagreement, and I'm 
sure I'll hear "we can't!  we can't!  we can't" this time, too.  One of our 
problems is facilities.  They are old, small, and off-campus.  We have seen 
throughout sports that new stadiums and arenas attract larger crowds and are 
certainly impress more recruits than Dyche [sic] and McGaw [sic].  Is it the 
only problem?  No, but I do remind you that Minnesota in part built an on- or 
near-campus football stadium because the Metrodome, acceptable for football, is 
far away.  The very act of a university committing dollars to facilities is a 
recruiting tool.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan  8 16:21:00 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan  8 16:21:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
In-Reply-To: <8CB3FEFE230C246-DB8-490@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com>
References: <46E882DEB7894A968E65CD3D5A42B2AB@DennisMachine><8CB3FB4224B7C7C-BD8-AB@WEBMAIL-DC12.sysops.aol.com><000101c971a2$2f3b0ed0$8db12c70$@com><33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF084C13D2@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>	<546FCEE9C6C24769BB9DA887334AFB42@DennisMachine>
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The bottom line is that compared to Duke, our academic standards for
athletes is higher.

Stanford has a nice sunny climate and a beach about a mile away AND San Fran
just up the road.

Apparently NU has a long time reputation as a nerd factory up on the north
end of Chicago where only the rich snobs live. I'm sure there are stories
among South Chicago kids about cops harassing them, whether true or not.

Wilbon and I both knew the reputation of the school for academics - neither
of us went to NU to experience a high level of sports (I couldhave cared
less because I wanted the Broadcast school's rep).

Gary Barnett, Randy Walker and now Fitz are changing that rep. Having the
old Welsh Ryan Rowdies name formalized would have helped expand the fame,
not trying to kill off the Greek system is another issue but NU has to get a
little "hipper" about their image or our roundball will be in the toilet for
a long long time.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:34 PM
To: tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)

Granted, McGaw Hall (sorry, Welsh-Ryan family, but I like to call it McGaw)
is off campus, but it is only 2900 yards from University Hall (via Sheridan
Rd and Central St).? I wonder how many of the new Big Ten Arenas are that
far or a little further from the bulk of student housing ?? Carver Hawkeye
Arena seems pretty remote, OSU's new arena seems pretty remote also.? 

It is also a pleasant arena, good seats, very intimate - a long way from the
dirt floor/wooden bleacher mess I first stepped into back in 1980.? Now that
arena probably would have harmed recruiting (though we recruited some nice
players back in the days of old McGaw - Falk's NIT team that played their
games at DePaul must've been intrigued by the wooden bleachers and dust
cloud that existed in there).

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 12:07 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)



<I can not for the life of me understand why Northwestern can not recruit
enough 
guys to win. 

I have stated here in years past, usually drawing strong disagreement, and
I'm 
sure I'll hear "we can't!  we can't!  we can't" this time, too.  One of our 
problems is facilities.  They are old, small, and off-campus.  We have seen 
throughout sports that new stadiums and arenas attract larger crowds and are

certainly impress more recruits than Dyche [sic] and McGaw [sic].  Is it the

only problem?  No, but I do remind you that Minnesota in part built an on-
or 
near-campus football stadium because the Metrodome, acceptable for football,
is 
far away.  The very act of a university committing dollars to facilities is
a 
recruiting tool.
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan  8 16:51:15 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  8 16:51:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <d1a.364936cf.3697dd63@aol.com>


For those that are interested--Vegas already has the odds for schools winning 
the national championship in football for 2009--We are not even listed-- ND, 
Iowa and Purdue are 100:1  UNLV at 1000:1

http://www.vegasinsider.com/college-football/odds/futures/#2123


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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan  8 16:52:58 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  8 16:53:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
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Oops !--My mistake --these odds were set in November for tonigt's game

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Thu Jan  8 18:05:08 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Thu Jan  8 18:05:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] OT:  Inauguration interviews
Message-ID: <7446147.1231459509004.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

For those needing a respite from BCS talk and Carmody bashing, things are heating up with the inauguration coming up. Here are a couple of interviews I did yesterday (and there will be more coming up next week, if you'd like me to post any of them):

Federal News Today (from NewsChannel 8 in Washington):

http://cfc.news8.net/news8/shows/fednews/index.cfm

Voice of America online chat:

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-01-07-Inauguration-Day.cfm

Jim B.


From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Jan  8 21:06:42 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  8 21:07:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] OT:  Inauguration interviews
In-Reply-To: <7446147.1231459509004.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <7446147.1231459509004.JavaMail.root@elwamui-chisos.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8CB401E6E5FD05C-D20-DEE@WEBMAIL-MA20.sysops.aol.com>


 Excellent job on the TV8 interview, Jim.? We're proud of you.? You really brought the Inaugural history and pageantry to life.

Paul Levinson


 


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 7:05 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] OT:  Inauguration interviews










For those needing a respite from BCS talk and Carmody bashing, things are 
heating up with the inauguration coming up. Here are a couple of interviews I 
did yesterday (and there will be more coming up next week, if you'd like me to 
post any of them):

Federal News Today (from NewsChannel 8 in Washington):

http://cfc.news8.net/news8/shows/fednews/index.cfm

Voice of America online chat:

http://www.voanews.com/english/2009-01-07-Inauguration-Day.cfm

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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Thu Jan  8 21:12:19 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Jan  8 21:12:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
Message-ID: <010920090312.17410.4966C09300082303000044022215567074090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Re: facility.  some people seem to think that they need a GPS to find McGaw or what ever it is called now..  There must be enough students with wheels to make up for a lack of bus service, if fin fact that is a problem.  Also, the athletic department could spring for University buses to make up for any lack of public transportation.  Include a bus ticket with the price of the BB tickets.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> <I can not for the life of me understand why Northwestern can not recruit enough 
> guys to win. 
> 
> I have stated here in years past, usually drawing strong disagreement, and I'm 
> sure I'll hear "we can't!  we can't!  we can't" this time, too.  One of our 
> problems is facilities.  They are old, small, and off-campus.  We have seen 
> throughout sports that new stadiums and arenas attract larger crowds and are 
> certainly impress more recruits than Dyche [sic] and McGaw [sic].  Is it the 
> only problem?  No, but I do remind you that Minnesota in part built an on- or 
> near-campus football stadium because the Metrodome, acceptable for football, is 
> far away.  The very act of a university committing dollars to facilities is a 
> recruiting tool.
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  8 23:29:49 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Jan  8 23:29:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Final Results
Message-ID: <551859.10647.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Is it just me or is Tebow the new Christian Laettner. I know it seems like he's a choir boy and I should root for him, but I want to see him and his cocky little Dookies/Gators get pummeled.:)

Anyway, another season has finished and an updated hall of fame is below.

Congratulations again to Ray Stahl. It was a rough year for bowls (13-7 is our lowest winning percentage in the bowl pool's years), but he managed to survive and claim the crown.

It's been another enjoyable year - thank you for playing and we'll see you again in August!

- Stephen

##################################
## PIGSKIN PICKS - HALL OF FAME ##
##################################

MATT HARTL "OVERALL EXCELLENCE" AWARD
Overall Pigskin Picks Champion
########################################
> 1997 - Eric J. Steffe
> 1998 - Carl Pilger
> 1999 - Eric J. Steffe
> 2000 - Bill Praast
> 2001 - Harlan Heiber
> 2002 - Chuck Herron
> 2003 - Chuck Herron
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson
> 2006 - Marilyn Zilka
> 2007 - Marilyn Zilka
> 2008 ? Marilyn Zilka

ROB JOHNSON "IRONMAN" AWARD
Best record of those who have competed every week
####################################################
> 1997 - Eric J. Steffe (135-40)
> 1998 - Trey McAdams (120-40)
> 1999 - Bruce Taylor (111-39)
> 2000 - Steve Kandelman and Bruce Taylor (109-44)
> 2001 - Trey McAdams (107-43)
> 2002 - Chuck Herron (132-48)
> 2003 - Chuck Herron (130-40)
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka (129-36)
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson (112-38)
> 2006 - Chuck Herron (113-37)
> 2007 - Stephen Truog (110-45)
> 2008 ? Stephen Truog (123-42)

STEVE SCHNUR "ACCURACY" AWARD
Highest percentage - min. 5 weeks
######################################
> 1997 - Eric J. Steffe (.771)
> 1998 - Carl Pilger (.792)
> 1999 - Eric J. Steffe (.756)
> 2000 - Bill Praast (.714)
> 2001 - Harlan Heiber (.744)
> 2002 - Greg Kane (.738)
> 2003 - Chuck Herron (.765)
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka (.782)
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson (.747)
> 2006 - Marilyn Zilka (.764)
> 2007 - Marilyn Zilka (.719)
> 2008 ? Marilyn Zilka (.800)


PAT FITZGERALD "MOST HITS" AWARD
Most correct picks overall
####################################
> 1997 - NA
> 1998 - Trey McAdams (120)
> 1999 - Bruce Taylor (111)
> 2000 - Steve Kandelman and Bruce Taylor (109)
> 2001 - Trey McAdams (107)
> 2002 - Chuck Herron (132)
> 2003 - Chuck Herron (130)
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka (129)
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson (112)
> 2006 - Chuck Herron (113)
> 2007 - Stephen Truog (110)
> 2008 ? Stephen Truog (123)

BRIAN MUSSO "GUTSY" AWARD
Most upset special picks
############################
> 1997 - NA
> 1998 - Kelly Sevilla (10)
> 1999 - Jim Bendat (12)
> 2000 - Jim Bendat and Kelly Sevilla (13)
> 2001 - Jim Bendat (15)
> 2002 - Jim Bendat (18)
> 2003 - Bill O'Connor (14)
> 2004 - Carl Rossi (10)
> 2005 - Ace McInturff (14)
> 2006 - Ace McInturff (10)
> 2007 - Sam Wolfson (16)
> 2008 ? John Hodges and Ace McInturff (8)

D'WAYNE BATES "BOWL MVP" AWARD
Best performance in the postseason (bowl pool)
##############################################
> 1997 - Mark Loach (20-1)
> 1998 - Jeff Larson (18-4)
> 1999 - Roger Bradshaw (15-8)
> 2000 - Carl Rossi (18-6)
> 2001 - Kenn Ruby (19-6)
> 2002 - Ty Levine (18-10)
> 2003 - Ryan Farney (19-8)
> 2004 - Ace McInturff and Ivars Embrekts (19-8)
> 2005 - Bob Waldele (19-8)
> 2006 - Mark Ament and Neil Kaplan (15-5)
> 2007 - Trey McAdams, Bob Waldele and Marilyn Zilka (15-5)
> 2008 - Ray Stahl (13-7)


* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan  8 23:32:43 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  8 23:33:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Final Results
Message-ID: <bc0.49e6c44a.36983b7b@aol.com>

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Jan  8 23:51:57 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Jan  8 23:52:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Final Results 
Message-ID: <200901090551.n095pvRx011056@romaine.tssi.com>

> Is it just me or is Tebow the new Christian Laettner. I know it seems like he's a choir boy and I should root for him, but I want to see him and his cocky little Dookies/Gators get pummeled.:)

Sorry, not to be, and Bob Stoops got outcoached again.  I can understand going
for the TD on 4th down (even if the announcers got the down wrong), but 
Jimminy Crickets, call a TIME OUT when your offense is that confused!

BCS is beginning to stand for 'Bowl Choke Stoops'.  

I wonder if the AP voters will give Texas much consideration for #1?  
Probably not, since they had Florida at #1 after the SEC Championship.
--
Mike Nolan

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Jan  9 06:16:52 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri Jan  9 06:18:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] more on Bowl-ing for dollars
Message-ID: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A65F6D51339@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123128294761758905.html

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 06:21:51 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Jan  9 06:22:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Final Results
In-Reply-To: <200901090551.n095pvRx011056@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200901090551.n095pvRx011056@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270901090421g75480b1aqe86719c80ba69012@mail.gmail.com>

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/rankingsindex?seasonYear=2008&weekNumber=1&seasonType=3

Nope, the final AP rankings are out, and Texas was #4 with no first place
votes.  Utah came out at #2 with 16 first place votes.

And, oh, NU was dropped from the rankings while Iowa (with the same record
who NU beat on the road, btw) ended up at 20th.

It will be interesting to see what happens with Stoops now that he's shown
he can get into BCS games year in and year out but hasn't been able to win
since 2000.

Jonathan

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:

> > Is it just me or is Tebow the new Christian Laettner. I know it seems
> like he's a choir boy and I should root for him, but I want to see him and
> his cocky little Dookies/Gators get pummeled.:)
>
> Sorry, not to be, and Bob Stoops got outcoached again.  I can understand
> going
> for the TD on 4th down (even if the announcers got the down wrong), but
> Jimminy Crickets, call a TIME OUT when your offense is that confused!
>
> BCS is beginning to stand for 'Bowl Choke Stoops'.
>
> I wonder if the AP voters will give Texas much consideration for #1?
> Probably not, since they had Florida at #1 after the SEC Championship.
> --
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 06:26:37 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Jan  9 06:26:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
In-Reply-To: <010920090312.17410.4966C09300082303000044022215567074090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
References: <010920090312.17410.4966C09300082303000044022215567074090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270901090426g7df4d7f8m5f2283bc6c0da769@mail.gmail.com>

There is indeed a free shuttle to men's basketball games (following
basically the same route as the one to football games), and undergrads get
in free to those games with their student ID just like they do for football
games.  So, yes, there really is no excuse.  Do note, though, that the
undergrad seating section is pretty much limited to behind the baskets,
which means that if a ton wanted to fill the place it wouldn't be possible.
Anyways, given the record of the team the past few years (and decades,
really) I don't blame the students for not packing it.

Jonathan

On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 9:12 PM, <johnadeg@comcast.net> wrote:

> Re: facility.  some people seem to think that they need a GPS to find McGaw
> or what ever it is called now..  There must be enough students with wheels
> to make up for a lack of bus service, if fin fact that is a problem.  Also,
> the athletic department could spring for University buses to make up for any
> lack of public transportation.  Include a bus ticket with the price of the
> BB tickets.
>
> John DeGroat
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> > <I can not for the life of me understand why Northwestern can not recruit
> enough
> > guys to win.
> >
> > I have stated here in years past, usually drawing strong disagreement,
> and I'm
> > sure I'll hear "we can't!  we can't!  we can't" this time, too.  One of
> our
> > problems is facilities.  They are old, small, and off-campus.  We have
> seen
> > throughout sports that new stadiums and arenas attract larger crowds and
> are
> > certainly impress more recruits than Dyche [sic] and McGaw [sic].  Is it
> the
> > only problem?  No, but I do remind you that Minnesota in part built an
> on- or
> > near-campus football stadium because the Metrodome, acceptable for
> football, is
> > far away.  The very act of a university committing dollars to facilities
> is a
> > recruiting tool.
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Fri Jan  9 07:12:07 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Fri Jan  9 07:13:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Meet Baz while watching the Panthers and Jacob Schmidt
Message-ID: <20090109.071207.12737.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

I saw this as one of my google news reader articles and thought someone on the list might find it interesting.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/312/story/460023.html
BlackFinn Saloon is starting the festivities a day early with a Panther Prowl pep rally tonight. Special Panthers guests Brett Basanez...


Rhinelander native Jacob Schmidt is enjoying Big Ten life
Article
http://www.wjfw.com/stories.html?sku=20090107191043
Video
http://titancast.titantv.com/p/wjfw/v/Jacob-Schmidt-Story/1ACA0X20.aspx



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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jan  9 08:25:15 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jan  9 08:25:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Final Results 
In-Reply-To: <200901090551.n095pvRx011056@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200901090551.n095pvRx011056@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <001101c97266$17363930$45a2ab90$@com>

I hope it was Stoops and not Wilson who called the same 2 plays back to back
when the first one didn't work.

You can run to the weak side on 3rd and Goal, but if you don't get it in,
either kick the FG, or bootleg to the right off play action if you want the
TD.

Had OU run North-South, or even kicked the 2 FGs, they'd have the big
crystal trophy this morning.

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:52 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Final Results 

> Is it just me or is Tebow the new Christian Laettner. I know it seems like
he's a choir boy and I should root for him, but I want to see him and his
cocky little Dookies/Gators get pummeled.:)

Sorry, not to be, and Bob Stoops got outcoached again.  I can understand
going
for the TD on 4th down (even if the announcers got the down wrong), but 
Jimminy Crickets, call a TIME OUT when your offense is that confused!

BCS is beginning to stand for 'Bowl Choke Stoops'.  

I wonder if the AP voters will give Texas much consideration for #1?  
Probably not, since they had Florida at #1 after the SEC Championship.
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  9 09:17:28 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Fri Jan  9 09:17:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] more on Bowl-ing for dollars
In-Reply-To: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A65F6D51339@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <602579.22861.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123128294761758905.html

The article provides a reminder of why NU will probably never be in the BCS championship game, and why that's probably OK:

'"Florida has a 68 percent graduation rate but a 25-percentage-point racial disparity," he wrote in his Dec. 13, 2008, column. "Oklahoma should flat-out be disqualified with a 46 percent graduation rate."

Mr. Jackson also found that four other schools that played in BCS bowl games -- Ohio State, Texas, Alabama and Utah -- all have black graduation rates under 50% and an average racial gap of 30 percentage points.'

I was rooting for OU, but 46%?

Tom

From e-west at northwestern.edu  Fri Jan  9 09:19:52 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Fri Jan  9 09:20:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Final Results
In-Reply-To: <200901090551.n095pvRx011056@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200901090551.n095pvRx011056@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <49676B18.7000102@northwestern.edu>

Mike Nolan wrote:
> BCS is beginning to stand for 'Bowl Choke Stoops'. 
>   
This looks to be an unintended effect of the BCS: in the "old system" 
Oklahoma would be in the Orange Bowl five out of the last seven years, 
unable to play USC or LSU or Florida and probably not playing Boise 
State, either. (Maybe they would have played West Virginia in 2008, 
maybe not.) It's possible that Stoops would have a much higher bowl 
winning percentage despite being the exact same coach; only the 
perception would have changed.

I'm trying to decide if that's a good or bad thing overall, which 
perception of Stoops would be closer to reality, and how many other 
"great coaches" of the past would be thought of as chokers if #1 had 
always played #2 in a bowl game.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  9 09:28:55 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Fri Jan  9 09:29:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
Message-ID: <55845.1231514935816.JavaMail.root@mswamui-blood.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

In the late 1960's and early 1970's, student seats were a lot better. We sat between midcourt and the baseline. Anyone know when that changed?

Jim B.

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>From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
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>To: johnadeg@comcast.net
>Cc: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>, nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
>
>the
>undergrad seating section is pretty much limited to behind the baskets,
>which means that if a ton wanted to fill the place it wouldn't be possible.
>Anyways, given the record of the team the past few years (and decades,
>really) I don't blame the students for not packing it.
>
>Jonathan
>
>

From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jan  9 10:29:55 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jan  9 10:30:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
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> In the late 1960's and early 1970's, student seats were a lot better. We 
> sat between midcourt and the baseline. Anyone know when that changed?
>
Certainly not from high ticket demand unless the other team's fans are 
buying all the seats. 

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Jan  9 11:23:41 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Jan  9 11:23:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
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http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jan0909-bcs_utah.b8bb6e
6.html

Our elected representatives clearly have more important things to do
than worry about football.

That said, it looks like some of them are going to get a bill introduced
to force the BCS to institute some form of playoff or else run the risk
of being in violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust act.

Jeff
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Jan  9 11:28:11 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  9 11:28:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
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In a message dated 1/9/2009 9:24:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com writes:

> Our elected representatives clearly have more important things to do
> than worry about football.
> 

Absolutely agree--

It's political grandstanding

--Arlen Spector also had made a lot of noises over the years every time he 
thinks teams from Pennsylvania get screwed  in one sport or another

Harry


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jan  9 11:39:25 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jan  9 11:39:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
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There's an ex-Marine representative that submits a bill every year to change
the Department of the Navy to The Department of the Navy and Marine Corps.

I think if they do that, it should read the Department of the Navy, Marine
Corps, and the Coast Guard in time of War to be accurate.

rsl

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In a message dated 1/9/2009 9:24:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com writes:

> Our elected representatives clearly have more important things to do
> than worry about football.
> 

Absolutely agree--

It's political grandstanding

--Arlen Spector also had made a lot of noises over the years every time he 
thinks teams from Pennsylvania get screwed  in one sport or another

Harry


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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jan  9 11:52:16 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jan  9 11:52:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
References: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE03AB15CC@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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<That said, it looks like some of them are going to get a bill introduced
<to force the BCS to institute some form of playoff or else run the risk
<of being in violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust act.

Much as I want to see a playoff system, please, government, stay the hell 
out of it!  Then it will REALLY become unfair.  John Sherman must be rolling 
over in his grave.

From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jan  9 12:03:11 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jan  9 12:03:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
References: <cd9.4607c4b2.3698e32b@aol.com>
	<002501c97281$37229250$a567b6f0$@com>
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> There's an ex-Marine representative that submits a bill every year to 
> change
> the Department of the Navy to The Department of the Navy and Marine Corps.
>
> I think if they do that, it should read the Department of the Navy, Marine
> Corps, and the Coast Guard in time of War to be accurate.
>
Nope.  The Coast Guard has always been a separate organization whose total 
function is coast patrol.  The Marines have always been under naval 
auspices. 

From tmcadams at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  9 12:14:28 2009
From: tmcadams at yahoo.com (Trey McAdams)
Date: Fri Jan  9 12:14:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...
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Not only was this an ugly OSU/Big Ten loss, It was the second BCS game that a Big Ten Coach has GIVEN to the opponent.

Case in Point #1:
 - Mich versus Texas in the Rose Bowl - Mich has a 3rd and short with under 2 mins to play.  They are getting 8-10 yards a rush because Texas is worn down.  Carr decides to throw the ball - incomplete.  Field Goal Michigan.  Texas has time to have Vince Young drive Texas and get a field goal to win the game on a last second field goal. Run the ball on the 3rd down and Michigan likely gets the 1st down and wins the game on the their own field goal (or TD with a new set of downs).
 - OSU versus Texas this Year.  Texas leading by 2 and has 2 timeouts left.  OSU has 1st and 10 at the UT 23 and gains 8 yards on 1st down.  2nd and 2 OSU scores.  This was the mistake, OSU did not let the play clock run down and should have tried to run the ball for 2-3 yards and then fallen down.  You CANNOT GIVE TEXAS THE BALL BACK IF YOU CAN HELP IT.  At worst you need to force Texas to call its timeouts.  Since they did not have to call their timeouts, Texas had the entire field to work with on their drive.  OSU must try to run the clock out with 2 mins to play and in easy field goal range, but no OSU scores quickly.  Then to make it worse - THEY GO FOR 2!!!!!  In that situation there is huge differnence in being up 4, or 5/6.  Up 4, Texas could score a TD,  kick an extra point and OSU needs a field goal to tie.  Up 5/6, Texas scores kicks an extra point and then OSU can kick a field goal to win.  Up 6, Texas will kick a field goal and be up 1, OSU
 still needs a field goal to win.  SO WHY GO FOR 2!!!!!  It made no sense.

Simple coaching lost both of those BCS games or the Big Ten.  I hope Fitz is watching and learning from these mistakes that others are making.  NU will be in this type of situation in the future (ie. - MSU comeback game - we failed to let MSU score when it was obvious they were going to get a field goal and leave us with very little time).

It drive me nuts when coaches make these types of simple mistakes.




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To: sjtruog@yahoo.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 11:11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...

Another loss by the Big Ten--ugh!? I even found myself rooting for the Buckeyes, notwithstanding my nearly four decade hatred of everything about tOSU.? I especially liked the fade play TD from Boeckman to Pryor.? Can you imagine, though, if Terell had been badly injured on that play.? Tressel would have never lived it down.? But seriously, are there 2 major programs that are more easy to dislike than those based in Austin and Columbus?? And two more arrogant sets of fans?

Anyway, on another note, 60 Minutes had a terrific piece last night on Mike Leach of Texas Tech.? I highly recommend it if you can catch the replay later in the season.

Paul Levinson



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Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:00 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...



Well, I'm ready to stick a fork in the Buckeyes. Almost like our bowl game (and 
not just in the endless shots of the QB parents - sheesh! I think the only 
parents on TV more than Chase/Colt's was Grant Hill's dad in that 1994 tourney)  
- great first half but they didn't take advantage in scoring as much as they 
should have given the yardage/time domination.

But at least we seemed to make adjustments and come out with some life in the 
second half. The Buckeyes just looked dead. No will. No adjustments. And once 
that bad call gave the first Texas drive new life, they were toast.

In any case, in terms of the bowl pool the Buckeyes have foiled my comeback 
plans and means congratulations go out to RAY STAHL, who at 12-7 has clinched no 
worse than a tie for the title. (Lots of .500 or below marks this year!).

If Florida wins, Ray claims the title alone at 13-7.
If Oklahoma wins, Ivars Embrekts ties him at 12-8.

Updated Hall of Fame and final results after the game in Miami on Thursday. 
Thanks for playing and another great year!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 13:07:08 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Jan  9 13:07:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...
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If we're analyzing game situations, I'll take a stab at these two.

- Regarding running on 3rd down and more than one yard: yes, the run game
may be working well, but the fact is that 3rd and short is clearly a running
opportunity and it makes it easier for the defense to focus on clogging the
middle of the field.  On 1st and 2nd downs, though, with the defense more
spread out, it opens up more for the run.  It's easy to sit back and judge
them for an incomplete pass, but it's quite possibly more likely to get
stuffed if attempting a run - and if they would have run it and not made it
everyone would be jumping up and down about "being too conservative."

- Now specifically regarding the OSU game - when your team is down (in this
case, down by 2, 15-17), you ALWAYS go for the score.  I can understand if
people are upset for them not running more time off of the play clock, but
"wasting" downs just for the purpose of bleeding the clock while you're
losing is just plain dumb.  OSU's defense was doing a great job of holding
back Texas that game and the very least you can do is leave it up to them to
hold them one last time to win the game.  If your offense has an opportunity
to take the game-winning score, even if that means leaving time on the
clock, go for it.  Running it up the middle 3 times and then failing to
convert a FG and then losing by 2 points does you no good - if the
opportunity is there to punch it in, then go for it.  Plus, with over 2:00
left to play and already in the red zone, chances are that they couldn't run
off that much time anyways (I believe Texas had at least 2 timeouts left
too).  AND remember that OSU scored on a running play, so one would think
that they were trying to be conservative in that situation, but don't expect
the RB to just fall down to try and run off more time when the end zone is
there for the taking.

Regarding the 2 point conversion, OSU was up by 4 already (meaning Texas
needed a TD), and at least if a 2 point conversion is made, the other team
feels some pressure to make that XP for the win - which is not a sure thing,
especially at the collegiate level.  A 5-point lead does you absolutely no
good.

While other coaching decisions during the respective games may have cost
teams the game, I do not agree at all that these 2 specific decisions cost
teams the game - in fact, both of the aforementioned drives resulted in
points that left those teams with the lead close to the end of the game -
it's hard to argue that that puts your team in a bad position.  It is
perfectly suitable, though, to argue that the defense allowing long
last-minute drives for game-winning scores is unacceptable.  OSU was finding
ways to stop Texas for much of the night but then lost it at the end.

Jonathan


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Trey McAdams <tmcadams@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Not only was this an ugly OSU/Big Ten loss, It was the second BCS game that
> a Big Ten Coach has GIVEN to the opponent.
>
> Case in Point #1:
>  - Mich versus Texas in the Rose Bowl - Mich has a 3rd and short with under
> 2 mins to play.  They are getting 8-10 yards a rush because Texas is worn
> down.  Carr decides to throw the ball - incomplete.  Field Goal Michigan.
>  Texas has time to have Vince Young drive Texas and get a field goal to win
> the game on a last second field goal. Run the ball on the 3rd down and
> Michigan likely gets the 1st down and wins the game on the their own field
> goal (or TD with a new set of downs).
>  - OSU versus Texas this Year.  Texas leading by 2 and has 2 timeouts left.
>  OSU has 1st and 10 at the UT 23 and gains 8 yards on 1st down.  2nd and 2
> OSU scores.  This was the mistake, OSU did not let the play clock run down
> and should have tried to run the ball for 2-3 yards and then fallen down.
>  You CANNOT GIVE TEXAS THE BALL BACK IF YOU CAN HELP IT.  At worst you need
> to force Texas to call its timeouts.  Since they did not have to call their
> timeouts, Texas had the entire field to work with on their drive.  OSU must
> try to run the clock out with 2 mins to play and in easy field goal range,
> but no OSU scores quickly.  Then to make it worse - THEY GO FOR 2!!!!!  In
> that situation there is huge differnence in being up 4, or 5/6.  Up 4, Texas
> could score a TD,  kick an extra point and OSU needs a field goal to tie.
>  Up 5/6, Texas scores kicks an extra point and then OSU can kick a field
> goal to win.  Up 6, Texas will kick a field goal and be up 1, OSU
>  still needs a field goal to win.  SO WHY GO FOR 2!!!!!  It made no sense.
>
> Simple coaching lost both of those BCS games or the Big Ten.  I hope Fitz
> is watching and learning from these mistakes that others are making.  NU
> will be in this type of situation in the future (ie. - MSU comeback game -
> we failed to let MSU score when it was obvious they were going to get a
> field goal and leave us with very little time).
>
> It drive me nuts when coaches make these types of simple mistakes.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "neonrye@aol.com" <neonrye@aol.com>
> To: sjtruog@yahoo.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 11:11:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...
>
> Another loss by the Big Ten--ugh!? I even found myself rooting for the
> Buckeyes, notwithstanding my nearly four decade hatred of everything about
> tOSU.? I especially liked the fade play TD from Boeckman to Pryor.? Can you
> imagine, though, if Terell had been badly injured on that play.? Tressel
> would have never lived it down.? But seriously, are there 2 major programs
> that are more easy to dislike than those based in Austin and Columbus?? And
> two more arrogant sets of fans?
>
> Anyway, on another note, 60 Minutes had a terrific piece last night on Mike
> Leach of Texas Tech.? I highly recommend it if you can catch the replay
> later in the season.
>
> Paul Levinson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:00 pm
> Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...
>
>
>
> Well, I'm ready to stick a fork in the Buckeyes. Almost like our bowl game
> (and
> not just in the endless shots of the QB parents - sheesh! I think the only
> parents on TV more than Chase/Colt's was Grant Hill's dad in that 1994
> tourney)
> - great first half but they didn't take advantage in scoring as much as
> they
> should have given the yardage/time domination.
>
> But at least we seemed to make adjustments and come out with some life in
> the
> second half. The Buckeyes just looked dead. No will. No adjustments. And
> once
> that bad call gave the first Texas drive new life, they were toast.
>
> In any case, in terms of the bowl pool the Buckeyes have foiled my comeback
> plans and means congratulations go out to RAY STAHL, who at 12-7 has
> clinched no
> worse than a tie for the title. (Lots of .500 or below marks this year!).
>
> If Florida wins, Ray claims the title alone at 13-7.
> If Oklahoma wins, Ivars Embrekts ties him at 12-8.
>
> Updated Hall of Fame and final results after the game in Miami on Thursday.
> Thanks for playing and another great year!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Jan  9 13:17:31 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Jan  9 13:17:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...
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IMHO, the Texas game was lost on the way that Tressel handled the
challenge of the ball spot for the first down.

As long as there isn't a rule against it, I would have pulled the
defense to the sidelines as soon as I made the challenge and treated the
delay as a time out.  I would have told the defense that we weren't
going to win the challenge, but that we will win the game if we can keep
Texas out of the end zone.  Then I would have reminded them that Texas
had been beating us all evening with quick snaps, so get back to the
line of scrimmage and be prepared for the quick snap.  Instead from what
I could see, everyone stared at the jumbotron and waited for the call on
the challenge.

Jeff





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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:07 PM
To: Trey McAdams
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...

If we're analyzing game situations, I'll take a stab at these two.

- Regarding running on 3rd down and more than one yard: yes, the run
game may be working well, but the fact is that 3rd and short is clearly
a running opportunity and it makes it easier for the defense to focus on
clogging the middle of the field.  On 1st and 2nd downs, though, with
the defense more spread out, it opens up more for the run.  It's easy to
sit back and judge them for an incomplete pass, but it's quite possibly
more likely to get stuffed if attempting a run - and if they would have
run it and not made it everyone would be jumping up and down about
"being too conservative."

- Now specifically regarding the OSU game - when your team is down (in
this case, down by 2, 15-17), you ALWAYS go for the score.  I can
understand if people are upset for them not running more time off of the
play clock, but "wasting" downs just for the purpose of bleeding the
clock while you're losing is just plain dumb.  OSU's defense was doing a
great job of holding back Texas that game and the very least you can do
is leave it up to them to hold them one last time to win the game.  If
your offense has an opportunity to take the game-winning score, even if
that means leaving time on the clock, go for it.  Running it up the
middle 3 times and then failing to convert a FG and then losing by 2
points does you no good - if the opportunity is there to punch it in,
then go for it.  Plus, with over 2:00 left to play and already in the
red zone, chances are that they couldn't run off that much time anyways
(I believe Texas had at least 2 timeouts left too).  AND remember that
OSU scored on a running play, so one would think that they were trying
to be conservative in that situation, but don't expect the RB to just
fall down to try and run off more time when the end zone is there for
the taking.

Regarding the 2 point conversion, OSU was up by 4 already (meaning Texas
needed a TD), and at least if a 2 point conversion is made, the other
team feels some pressure to make that XP for the win - which is not a
sure thing, especially at the collegiate level.  A 5-point lead does you
absolutely no good.

While other coaching decisions during the respective games may have cost
teams the game, I do not agree at all that these 2 specific decisions
cost teams the game - in fact, both of the aforementioned drives
resulted in points that left those teams with the lead close to the end
of the game - it's hard to argue that that puts your team in a bad
position.  It is perfectly suitable, though, to argue that the defense
allowing long last-minute drives for game-winning scores is
unacceptable.  OSU was finding ways to stop Texas for much of the night
but then lost it at the end.

Jonathan


On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 12:14 PM, Trey McAdams <tmcadams@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Not only was this an ugly OSU/Big Ten loss, It was the second BCS game

> that a Big Ten Coach has GIVEN to the opponent.
>
> Case in Point #1:
>  - Mich versus Texas in the Rose Bowl - Mich has a 3rd and short with 
> under
> 2 mins to play.  They are getting 8-10 yards a rush because Texas is 
> worn down.  Carr decides to throw the ball - incomplete.  Field Goal
Michigan.
>  Texas has time to have Vince Young drive Texas and get a field goal 
> to win the game on a last second field goal. Run the ball on the 3rd 
> down and Michigan likely gets the 1st down and wins the game on the 
> their own field goal (or TD with a new set of downs).
>  - OSU versus Texas this Year.  Texas leading by 2 and has 2 timeouts
left.
>  OSU has 1st and 10 at the UT 23 and gains 8 yards on 1st down.  2nd 
> and 2 OSU scores.  This was the mistake, OSU did not let the play 
> clock run down and should have tried to run the ball for 2-3 yards and
then fallen down.
>  You CANNOT GIVE TEXAS THE BALL BACK IF YOU CAN HELP IT.  At worst you

> need to force Texas to call its timeouts.  Since they did not have to 
> call their timeouts, Texas had the entire field to work with on their 
> drive.  OSU must try to run the clock out with 2 mins to play and in 
> easy field goal range, but no OSU scores quickly.  Then to make it 
> worse - THEY GO FOR 2!!!!!  In that situation there is huge 
> differnence in being up 4, or 5/6.  Up 4, Texas could score a TD,
kick an extra point and OSU needs a field goal to tie.
>  Up 5/6, Texas scores kicks an extra point and then OSU can kick a 
> field goal to win.  Up 6, Texas will kick a field goal and be up 1, 
> OSU  still needs a field goal to win.  SO WHY GO FOR 2!!!!!  It made
no sense.
>
> Simple coaching lost both of those BCS games or the Big Ten.  I hope 
> Fitz is watching and learning from these mistakes that others are 
> making.  NU will be in this type of situation in the future (ie. - MSU

> comeback game - we failed to let MSU score when it was obvious they 
> were going to get a field goal and leave us with very little time).
>
> It drive me nuts when coaches make these types of simple mistakes.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "neonrye@aol.com" <neonrye@aol.com>
> To: sjtruog@yahoo.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Monday, January 5, 2009 11:11:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...
>
> Another loss by the Big Ten--ugh!? I even found myself rooting for the

> Buckeyes, notwithstanding my nearly four decade hatred of everything 
> about tOSU.? I especially liked the fade play TD from Boeckman to 
> Pryor.? Can you imagine, though, if Terell had been badly injured on 
> that play.? Tressel would have never lived it down.? But seriously, 
> are there 2 major programs that are more easy to dislike than those 
> based in Austin and Columbus?? And two more arrogant sets of fans?
>
> Anyway, on another note, 60 Minutes had a terrific piece last night on

> Mike Leach of Texas Tech.? I highly recommend it if you can catch the 
> replay later in the season.
>
> Paul Levinson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> To: NUSPORTS <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 11:00 pm
> Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl pool update ...
>
>
>
> Well, I'm ready to stick a fork in the Buckeyes. Almost like our bowl 
> game (and not just in the endless shots of the QB parents - sheesh! I 
> think the only parents on TV more than Chase/Colt's was Grant Hill's 
> dad in that 1994
> tourney)
> - great first half but they didn't take advantage in scoring as much 
> as they should have given the yardage/time domination.
>
> But at least we seemed to make adjustments and come out with some life

> in the second half. The Buckeyes just looked dead. No will. No 
> adjustments. And once that bad call gave the first Texas drive new 
> life, they were toast.
>
> In any case, in terms of the bowl pool the Buckeyes have foiled my 
> comeback plans and means congratulations go out to RAY STAHL, who at 
> 12-7 has clinched no worse than a tie for the title. (Lots of .500 or 
> below marks this year!).
>
> If Florida wins, Ray claims the title alone at 13-7.
> If Oklahoma wins, Ivars Embrekts ties him at 12-8.
>
> Updated Hall of Fame and final results after the game in Miami on
Thursday.
> Thanks for playing and another great year!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Jan  9 13:41:08 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  9 13:41:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeremy Maclin To Turn Pro
Message-ID: <cd5.4530ded3.36990254@aol.com>

_http://sports.aol.com/story/_a/missouri-receiver-maclin-opts-to-turn/n2009010
9124209990032_ 
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Jan  9 13:43:36 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  9 13:43:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeremy Maclin To Turn Pro
Message-ID: <d48.44066c55.369902e8@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/9/2009 11:41:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
NEONRye@aol.com writes:

> Couldn't he have done this a year ago?:-)
> 

Good point !--Keyshawn has a great Rose Bowl against us and goes pro--Maclin 
does the same--maybe if we had stopped him on the punt , he would have had to 
stay at Mizzou !?

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 13:47:43 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Jan  9 13:47:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Alamo Bowl Cable's #2 Show during Dec. 29 - Jan. 4 Week
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270901091147y4573baaaj9bc365a00f6ffcda@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jdU5mzTBQCChplJgwZkHzo9xcVYwD95JPB3G0

The Nielsen Ratings have the Alamo Bowl at 4.47 million homes, 6.07 million
viewers, at #2 for the week of Dec. 29 - Jan. 4 (first place was the Holiday
Bowl, which took place on Dec. 30th between Oregon and Oklahoma State).

Other CFB bowls that appear on the list are the Chick-Fil-A Bowl (LSU vs.
GT), coming in at #4 with 3.85M/5.63M, and the Outback Bowl (Iowa vs. South
Car.) coming in at #9 with 3.03M/4.09M.

For those wanting to rub more stats in Iowa's face, that means NU's
appearance in the Alamo Bowl brought in 1.44 million more homes/ 1.98
million more viewers and wasn't beat out by the likes of iCarly and WWE Raw.

Jonathan

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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Fri Jan  9 13:56:40 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Fri Jan  9 13:59:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
Message-ID: <20090109.135640.3049.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

We were behind the basket in the late 80s(89-93) and admission cost $2 or $3.
-- "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
> In the late 1960's and early 1970's, student seats were a lot better. We 
> sat between midcourt and the baseline. Anyone know when that changed?
>
Certainly not from high ticket demand unless the other team's fans are 
buying all the seats. 

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Jan  9 14:05:27 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Jan  9 14:05:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Jeremy Maclin To Turn Pro
In-Reply-To: <d48.44066c55.369902e8@aol.com>
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I doubt that his performance at the Alamo Bowl had much impact on him going
pro - except for reaffirming what everyone already knows, which is that he's
a very talented receiver with excellent speed.

Remember that the NFL has a rule in place that one must be at least 3 years
removed from high school to go pro - in other words, a redshirt sophomore
(like Maclin) or true junior (this all came about after the Clarett
debacle).

And a lot depends on what the NFL draft evaluation committee comes back with
in each case - anyone who would be a first day pick (first 2 rounds) should
basically come out given the large amounts of guaranteed money (signing
bonuses) given to those in the first 2 rounds.  While I am personally of the
opinion that one should stay in college and finish the degree, I completely
understand coming out early and taking the money, especially considering the
high risk of injury in a sport such as football which could significantly
reduce one's value if they choose to stay another year (not to mention the
chance of a lower level of performance).

Jonathan

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 1:43 PM, <Hakirsch@aol.com> wrote:

> In a message dated 1/9/2009 11:41:32 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> NEONRye@aol.com writes:
>
> > Couldn't he have done this a year ago?:-)
> >
>
> Good point !--Keyshawn has a great Rose Bowl against us and goes
> pro--Maclin
> does the same--maybe if we had stopped him on the punt , he would have had
> to
> stay at Mizzou !?
>
> Harry
>
>
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Fri Jan  9 15:14:41 2009
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  9 15:15:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
Message-ID: <c57.4be26e6e.36991841@aol.com>

Until comparatively recent times the Coast Guard was under The Treasury  
Department. In the years following World War I the other services were under the  
province of the War Department. In fact, prior to World War II, The 
Departments  of State, War, and Navy were all housed in one building that is now the  
Executive Office Building which sits next to the White House.
 
Don Williams
C55
 
 
In a message dated 1/9/2009 12:03:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
tbng@comcast.net writes:

Nope.  The Coast Guard has always been a separate organization  whose total 
function is coast patrol.  The Marines have always been  under naval 
auspices.  

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Jan  9 16:32:51 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Jan  9 16:33:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!) 
Message-ID: <200901092232.n09MWppb016472@romaine.tssi.com>

> In the late 1960's and early 1970's, student seats were a lot better. We sat between midcourt and the baseline. Anyone know when that changed?
> 

As I recall, we could sit just about anywhere, because the place was
not very full.  That was during the Larry Glass years.
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Jan  9 18:13:57 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  9 18:14:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!) 
Message-ID: <ca9.3fa05b28.36994245@aol.com>

yeah that is the way I remember it, for a couple years when I lived across  
from Dyche I went to just about every game with Telender, Berler and a few 
other  miscreants, we had a good time
 
 
In a message dated 1/9/2009 5:33:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
nolan@romaine.tssi.com writes:

> In  the late 1960's and early 1970's, student seats were a lot better. We 
sat  between midcourt and the baseline. Anyone know when that changed?
>  

As I recall, we could sit just about anywhere, because the place  was
not very full.  That was during the Larry Glass  years.
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  9 20:10:25 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Fri Jan  9 20:10:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
Message-ID: <15910291.1231553425490.JavaMail.root@elwamui-muscovy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Actually, we had a lot of packed houses when Glass was coach. Things really got bad when Brad Snyder took over.


-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
>Sent: Jan 9, 2009 5:32 PM
>To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!) 
>
>> In the late 1960's and early 1970's, student seats were a lot better. We sat between midcourt and the baseline. Anyone know when that changed?
>> 
>
>As I recall, we could sit just about anywhere, because the place was
>not very full.  That was during the Larry Glass years.
>--
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jan  9 22:21:20 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jan  9 22:21:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
In-Reply-To: <c57.4be26e6e.36991841@aol.com>
References: <c57.4be26e6e.36991841@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003501c972da$e4080e60$ac182b20$@com>

We were told in Boot Camp (1967) that the Coast Guard was under Treasury
except in times of war when it became part of the Navy.

Many of the coxswain's of landing craft during D-day were Coasties and
during Operation Market Time of Viet Nam, several coast guard cutters were
assigned to the Navy along with their crews.

The Coast Guard and the Brownwater Navy go back and forth arguing about who
handles shallow water better - once they put the Coast Guard into Homeland
Security it all became moot, altho Coasties and Navy ships work the
Caribbean patrols.

rsl

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Until comparatively recent times the Coast Guard was under The Treasury  
Department. In the years following World War I the other services were under
the  
province of the War Department. In fact, prior to World War II, The 
Departments  of State, War, and Navy were all housed in one building that is
now the  
Executive Office Building which sits next to the White House.
 
Don Williams
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In a message dated 1/9/2009 12:03:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
tbng@comcast.net writes:

Nope.  The Coast Guard has always been a separate organization  whose total 
function is coast patrol.  The Marines have always been  under naval 
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From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Jan 10 00:20:54 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Jan 10 00:20:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball (ugh!)
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References: <20090109.135640.3049.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>
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 From 87-88 to 90-91I recall free shuttle buses, free admission with 
student ID, and the student section stretching from about a third of the 
way up the court behind the visitors' bench around to the east end.  I 
don't recall seeing anything different at games in my alumni years or on 
TV now.

mlinhardt@netzero.net wrote:
> We were behind the basket in the late 80s(89-93) and admission cost $2 or $3.
> -- "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
>   
>> In the late 1960's and early 1970's, student seats were a lot better. We 
>> sat between midcourt and the baseline. Anyone know when that changed?
>>
>>     
> Certainly not from high ticket demand unless the other team's fans are 
> buying all the seats. 
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sat Jan 10 15:45:36 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Jan 10 15:45:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
Message-ID: <011020092145.26544.4969170000079AB3000067B02216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Yogi Berra  ran LCI's into Omaha Beach on D-Day.  He claimed that he joined the Coast Guard because he thought that would be a safe place to be,  He laughs every time that story comes up.  Ted Williams treated him with contempt until he found out what he had done in WWII.  To say the least, Yogi wasn't a hell no we won't go type.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> We were told in Boot Camp (1967) that the Coast Guard was under Treasury
> except in times of war when it became part of the Navy.
> 
> Many of the coxswain's of landing craft during D-day were Coasties and
> during Operation Market Time of Viet Nam, several coast guard cutters were
> assigned to the Navy along with their crews.
> 
> The Coast Guard and the Brownwater Navy go back and forth arguing about who
> handles shallow water better - once they put the Coast Guard into Homeland
> Security it all became moot, altho Coasties and Navy ships work the
> Caribbean patrols.
> 
> rsl
> 
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> To: tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
> 
> Until comparatively recent times the Coast Guard was under The Treasury  
> Department. In the years following World War I the other services were under
> the  
> province of the War Department. In fact, prior to World War II, The 
> Departments  of State, War, and Navy were all housed in one building that is
> now the  
> Executive Office Building which sits next to the White House.
>  
> Don Williams
> C55
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/9/2009 12:03:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> tbng@comcast.net writes:
> 
> Nope.  The Coast Guard has always been a separate organization  whose total 
> function is coast patrol.  The Marines have always been  under naval 
> auspices.  
> 
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From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Jan 10 15:54:09 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Jan 10 15:54:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
In-Reply-To: <003501c972da$e4080e60$ac182b20$@com>
References: <c57.4be26e6e.36991841@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <49691901.9060702@att.net>

That must have been early 1967, Roy.  According to its web site, the 
Coast Guard became part of the Department of Transportation on April 1, 
1967 where it remained until being merged into DHS in 2003.  
(http://www.uscg.mil/history/faqs/when.asp)  The language is also very 
consistent and precise in that it never becomes "part of" the Navy, but 
"operates as a service of the Navy" or "serves under the Navy 
Department" during wartime or at the direction of the President.

-Michael

Roy Lamberton wrote:
> We were told in Boot Camp (1967) that the Coast Guard was under Treasury
> except in times of war when it became part of the Navy.
>
> Many of the coxswain's of landing craft during D-day were Coasties and
> during Operation Market Time of Viet Nam, several coast guard cutters were
> assigned to the Navy along with their crews.
>
> The Coast Guard and the Brownwater Navy go back and forth arguing about who
> handles shallow water better - once they put the Coast Guard into Homeland
> Security it all became moot, altho Coasties and Navy ships work the
> Caribbean patrols.
>
> rsl
>
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>
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> Until comparatively recent times the Coast Guard was under The Treasury  
> Department. In the years following World War I the other services were under
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> now the  
> Executive Office Building which sits next to the White House.
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>  
> In a message dated 1/9/2009 12:03:31 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
> tbng@comcast.net writes:
>
> Nope.  The Coast Guard has always been a separate organization  whose total 
> function is coast patrol.  The Marines have always been  under naval 
> auspices.  
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sat Jan 10 15:57:01 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Jan 10 15:57:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Alamo Bowl Cable's #2 Show during Dec. 29 - Jan. 4
	Week
Message-ID: <011020092157.13769.496919AD00053A0B000035C92216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

I wonder if the Bowl committees who passed up NU regret it now or more importantly learned anything for the next time there is a choice about which Big Ten team to invite.
John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jonathan Hodges" <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jdU5mzTBQCChplJgwZkHzo9xcVYwD9
> 5JPB3G0
> 
> The Nielsen Ratings have the Alamo Bowl at 4.47 million homes, 6.07 million
> viewers, at #2 for the week of Dec. 29 - Jan. 4 (first place was the Holiday
> Bowl, which took place on Dec. 30th between Oregon and Oklahoma State).
> 
> Other CFB bowls that appear on the list are the Chick-Fil-A Bowl (LSU vs.
> GT), coming in at #4 with 3.85M/5.63M, and the Outback Bowl (Iowa vs. South
> Car.) coming in at #9 with 3.03M/4.09M.
> 
> For those wanting to rub more stats in Iowa's face, that means NU's
> appearance in the Alamo Bowl brought in 1.44 million more homes/ 1.98
> million more viewers and wasn't beat out by the likes of iCarly and WWE Raw.
> 
> Jonathan
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sat Jan 10 16:04:47 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Jan 10 16:04:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
Message-ID: <011020092204.23615.49691B7F0000B90100005C3F2216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Sure they do but for the most part heir interests are more in bloviating in front of TV hoping to get publicity and raising money for the next election.  Congressman Waxhead is a perfect example of this.  

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Hakirsch@aol.com
> In a message dated 1/9/2009 9:24:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com writes:
> 
> > Our elected representatives clearly have more important things to do
> > than worry about football.
> > 
> 
> Absolutely agree--
> 
> It's political grandstanding
> 
> --Arlen Spector also had made a lot of noises over the years every time he 
> thinks teams from Pennsylvania get screwed  in one sport or another
> 
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sat Jan 10 16:09:14 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Jan 10 16:09:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] more on Bowl-ing for dollars
Message-ID: <011020092209.29970.49691C8A000E296D000075122216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Wasn't it Cincinnati that had a zero percentage graduation rate for basketball over five years and the reason the coach got bounced (and is now at West Virginia).

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com>
> > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123128294761758905.html
> 
> The article provides a reminder of why NU will probably never be in the BCS 
> championship game, and why that's probably OK:
> 
> '"Florida has a 68 percent graduation rate but a 25-percentage-point racial 
> disparity," he wrote in his Dec. 13, 2008, column. "Oklahoma should flat-out be 
> disqualified with a 46 percent graduation rate."
> 
> Mr. Jackson also found that four other schools that played in BCS bowl games -- 
> Ohio State, Texas, Alabama and Utah -- all have black graduation rates under 50% 
> and an average racial gap of 30 percentage points.'
> 
> I was rooting for OU, but 46%?
> 
> Tom
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Mon Jan 12 09:49:38 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 12 09:50:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
In-Reply-To: <288C0F7A72E14AF5A21A02CD656455F4@DennisMachine>
References: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE03AB15CC@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	<288C0F7A72E14AF5A21A02CD656455F4@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <8CB42E482570F4F-3C4-4C2@webmail-de17.sysops.aol.com>

We trust that Sen Sherman authored his act to prevent monopolies (like late 1800's railroads) from screwing 'the little people' against their will (like price-fixing shipping fees).

The NCAA should never apply, since while it is adept at screwing and bringing in big dollars, the participants (fans) are willing consumers and know that they're getting a flawed, perhaps unfair system.? The fans are not injured.? If they don't like the product, they can quit watching/attending games.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:52 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?


<That said, it looks like some of them are going to get a bill introduced?
<to force the BCS to institute some form of playoff or else run the risk?
<of being in violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust act.?
?
Much as I want to see a playoff system, please, government, stay the hell out of it! Then it will REALLY become unfair. John Sherman must be rolling over in his grave.?
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Jan 12 09:59:42 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Jan 12 09:59:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
In-Reply-To: <8CB42E482570F4F-3C4-4C2@webmail-de17.sysops.aol.com>
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As I said at the start, the Congress has WAY more important things to do
right now than waste time on this issue.

Whether or not this is the appropriate use of the law, if Congress DOES
waste time on this issue, the NCAA likely will act first to prevent
Congress from getting involved.

Jeff


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Sent: Monday, January 12, 2009 10:50 AM
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?

We trust that Sen Sherman authored his act to prevent monopolies (like
late 1800's railroads) from screwing 'the little people' against their
will (like price-fixing shipping fees).

The NCAA should never apply, since while it is adept at screwing and
bringing in big dollars, the participants (fans) are willing consumers
and know that they're getting a flawed, perhaps unfair system.? The fans
are not injured.? If they don't like the product, they can quit
watching/attending games.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:52 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?


<That said, it looks like some of them are going to get a bill
introduced?
<to force the BCS to institute some form of playoff or else run the
risk?
<of being in violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust act.?
?
Much as I want to see a playoff system, please, government, stay the
hell out of it! Then it will REALLY become unfair. John Sherman must be
rolling over in his grave.?
?
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Jan 12 10:11:18 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Jan 12 10:11:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bye Bye BCS?
In-Reply-To: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE03AB19E5@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	from "Beamsley, Jeff" at Jan 12, 2009 10:59:42 AM
Message-ID: <200901121611.n0CGBItW011588@romaine.tssi.com>

> Whether or not this is the appropriate use of the law, if Congress DOES
> waste time on this issue, the NCAA likely will act first to prevent
> Congress from getting involved.

You don't think Obama and the members of Congress know that?  They have 
the ultimate 'bully pulpit', and they use it frequently.  Getting the
NCAA to take action 'voluntarily' is not all that different than foisting
some solution upon the NCAA.  

There are certainly more serious problems our elected leaders should 
be spending their time on, not that they'll solve many of them either.  
--
Mike Nolan

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Jan 12 22:04:01 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Jan 12 22:04:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ingalls Leaves for Saints
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270901122004s1c3e95cera01e0ba26e1c7de6@mail.gmail.com>

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-2-1091/Northwestern-s-Ingalls-leaves-for-Saints.html

NU OL coach Ingalls is leaving for the Saints (he's been with NU for 3
seasons, this is his first NFL coaching job).  Fitz is expected to announce
a replacement soon.

Jonathan
From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Jan 13 06:00:25 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue Jan 13 06:02:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] article sparks qn - which NU hoops players have had
	jersey retired?
Message-ID: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A65F6E2916D@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>

Ex-Spartan Morris Peterson to have jersey retired

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2009/01/former_michigan_state_star_mor.html

From Winkler_Brian_H at cat.com  Tue Jan 13 08:56:15 2009
From: Winkler_Brian_H at cat.com (Brian H. Winkler)
Date: Tue Jan 13 08:59:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
In-Reply-To: <003501c972da$e4080e60$ac182b20$@com>
Message-ID: <OFA9846CAC.496D106E-ON8625753C.004D27DB-8625753D.0052107B@notes.cat.com>

To put a little facts and data to the CFB post season debate on this list, 
there were 25 responses to the survey. 

Roughly half of you favor some form of playoffs, either a full playoff or 
a hybrid (Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds).   The other half 
preferred to keep the current bowl system.  It was not an option but two 
individuals would prefer to go back to the old traditional bowl system 
(pre-BCS).


The Final Results (25 responses)

 52% = Current Bowl System (13 responses)

 24% = Full Playoffs (6 responses)

 24% = Hybrid -Current Bowls & Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds (6 
responses)

These results reflect well the healthy debate on the list and the multiple 
opinions on both sides of having a playoff or not.   They do dispute the 
earlier claim that 75%+ of fans want to keep the current system. 

My vote was for the Hybrid, I think it provides the best opportunity to 
keep the spirit of the traditional bowl system, provides NU as a BCS 
school an easier path to compete for a national title (which we will 
achieve before I die), offers a short playoff to decide the national 
title, and still leaves a subjective debate to the process (Determining 
the Top 4 to compete for the national title) which I enjoy.

If we had a few more thousand responses, I would have sent the survey 
results to our elected officials for them to consider in setting our 
country's priorities but we fell short.

Regards,

Brian Winkler



----- Original Message ----
From: Brian H. Winkler <Winkler_Brian_H@cat.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 9:11:16 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl vs Playoff Survey - Very Scientific Sample Size 
- Please Respond

In the spirit of facts and data, I am curious what our list would favor 
for the CFB post season.

Please reply back directly to me and choose one of the three options 
below.  I will compile the results.


CFB Postseason Options:


___  Current Bowl System

___  Full Playoffs (Similar to I-AA)

___  Hybrid (Current Bowls and Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds)


I realize there are other options but let's go with these to keep it 
simple and they seem to be the ones most discussed.

Let's find out where our group is.


Brian Winkler, CAS '91

From clzahn at mindspring.com  Tue Jan 13 10:12:55 2009
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Tue Jan 13 10:13:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
Message-ID: <28733346.1231863175759.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I think you are spinning the results.  I would say that 76% are opposed to full playoffs.

Clark Zahn


>To put a little facts and data to the CFB post season debate on this list, 
>there were 25 responses to the survey. 
>
>Roughly half of you favor some form of playoffs, either a full playoff or 
>a hybrid (Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds).   The other half 
>preferred to keep the current bowl system.  It was not an option but two 
>individuals would prefer to go back to the old traditional bowl system 
>(pre-BCS).
>
>
>The Final Results (25 responses)
>
> 52% = Current Bowl System (13 responses)
>
> 24% = Full Playoffs (6 responses)
>
> 24% = Hybrid -Current Bowls & Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds (6 
>responses)
>
>These results reflect well the healthy debate on the list and the multiple 
>opinions on both sides of having a playoff or not.   They do dispute the 
>earlier claim that 75%+ of fans want to keep the current system. 
>
>My vote was for the Hybrid, I think it provides the best opportunity to 
>keep the spirit of the traditional bowl system, provides NU as a BCS 
>school an easier path to compete for a national title (which we will 
>achieve before I die), offers a short playoff to decide the national 
>title, and still leaves a subjective debate to the process (Determining 
>the Top 4 to compete for the national title) which I enjoy.
>
>If we had a few more thousand responses, I would have sent the survey 
>results to our elected officials for them to consider in setting our 
>country's priorities but we fell short.
>
>Regards,
>
>Brian Winkler
>
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Brian H. Winkler <Winkler_Brian_H@cat.com>
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 9:11:16 AM
>Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl vs Playoff Survey - Very Scientific Sample Size 
>- Please Respond
>
>In the spirit of facts and data, I am curious what our list would favor 
>for the CFB post season.
>
>Please reply back directly to me and choose one of the three options 
>below.  I will compile the results.
>
>
>CFB Postseason Options:
>
>
>___  Current Bowl System
>
>___  Full Playoffs (Similar to I-AA)
>
>___  Hybrid (Current Bowls and Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds)
>
>
>I realize there are other options but let's go with these to keep it 
>simple and they seem to be the ones most discussed.
>
>Let's find out where our group is.
>
>
>Brian Winkler, CAS '91
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jan 13 10:27:18 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jan 13 10:27:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
References: <OFA9846CAC.496D106E-ON8625753C.004D27DB-8625753D.0052107B@notes.cat.com>
Message-ID: <008CCFAD7E6A4102857E6C430EF49124@DennisMachine>

<These results reflect well the healthy debate on the list and the multiple
<opinions on both sides of having a playoff or not.   They do dispute the
<earlier claim that 75%+ of fans want to keep the current system.

No, they don't.  They reflect the views of those on this board who 
responded, and that is all you can say. 

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 10:28:33 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Jan 13 10:28:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
In-Reply-To: <28733346.1231863175759.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hound.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <425626.25346.qm@web33107.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> I think you are spinning the results.  I would say that 76%
> are opposed to full playoffs.

Wow, I wouldn't call anything Brian wrote "spinning". The statement that roughly half favor *some form* of playoffs seems like an obvious and helpful way to view the results. 

If that's "spin", then saying that roughly 76% oppose a "full" playoffs is certainly spin as well. 

In my opinion, both statements are helpful ways to look at the data. 

In any case, and most importantly, thanks to Brian for taking the time to do this. Very interesting results. 

Tom

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Tue Jan 13 11:07:16 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Jan 13 11:07:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
Message-ID: <011320091707.25565.496CCA440005E2E6000063DD2212020784090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

I think a lot of people on this list belong in the Cynics Hall of Fame.  Someone tries to do something and they get their butts nailed.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Clark Zahn <clzahn@mindspring.com>
> I think you are spinning the results.  I would say that 76% are opposed to full 
> playoffs.
> 
> Clark Zahn
> 
> 
> >To put a little facts and data to the CFB post season debate on this list, 
> >there were 25 responses to the survey. 
> >
> >Roughly half of you favor some form of playoffs, either a full playoff or 
> >a hybrid (Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds).   The other half 
> >preferred to keep the current bowl system.  It was not an option but two 
> >individuals would prefer to go back to the old traditional bowl system 
> >(pre-BCS).
> >
> >
> >The Final Results (25 responses)
> >
> > 52% = Current Bowl System (13 responses)
> >
> > 24% = Full Playoffs (6 responses)
> >
> > 24% = Hybrid -Current Bowls & Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds (6 
> >responses)
> >
> >These results reflect well the healthy debate on the list and the multiple 
> >opinions on both sides of having a playoff or not.   They do dispute the 
> >earlier claim that 75%+ of fans want to keep the current system. 
> >
> >My vote was for the Hybrid, I think it provides the best opportunity to 
> >keep the spirit of the traditional bowl system, provides NU as a BCS 
> >school an easier path to compete for a national title (which we will 
> >achieve before I die), offers a short playoff to decide the national 
> >title, and still leaves a subjective debate to the process (Determining 
> >the Top 4 to compete for the national title) which I enjoy.
> >
> >If we had a few more thousand responses, I would have sent the survey 
> >results to our elected officials for them to consider in setting our 
> >country's priorities but we fell short.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Brian Winkler
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----
> >From: Brian H. Winkler <Winkler_Brian_H@cat.com>
> >To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> >Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 9:11:16 AM
> >Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl vs Playoff Survey - Very Scientific Sample Size 
> >- Please Respond
> >
> >In the spirit of facts and data, I am curious what our list would favor 
> >for the CFB post season.
> >
> >Please reply back directly to me and choose one of the three options 
> >below.  I will compile the results.
> >
> >
> >CFB Postseason Options:
> >
> >
> >___  Current Bowl System
> >
> >___  Full Playoffs (Similar to I-AA)
> >
> >___  Hybrid (Current Bowls and Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds)
> >
> >
> >I realize there are other options but let's go with these to keep it 
> >simple and they seem to be the ones most discussed.
> >
> >Let's find out where our group is.
> >
> >
> >Brian Winkler, CAS '91
> >
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan 13 11:24:38 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 13 11:24:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ingalls Leaves for Saints
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270901122004s1c3e95cera01e0ba26e1c7de6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fcb3ee270901122004s1c3e95cera01e0ba26e1c7de6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CB43BAF10F6A9E-179C-121@mblk-d15.sysops.aol.com>

As a group, what have we thought of the offensive line play ?

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
To: NU Sports Listserv <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:04 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Ingalls Leaves for Saints



http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-2-1091/Northwestern-s-Ingalls-leaves-for-Saints.html

NU OL coach Ingalls is leaving for the Saints (he's been with NU for 3
seasons, this is his first NFL coaching job).  Fitz is expected to announce
a replacement soon.

Jonathan
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan 13 11:25:17 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan 13 11:25:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... 
Message-ID: <200901131725.n0DHPHqV018994@romaine.tssi.com>

> I think a lot of people on this list belong in the Cynics Hall of Fame.  Someone tries to do something and they get their butts nailed.

Or as was so well put years ago, no good deed goes unpunished.
--
Mike Nolan

From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan 13 11:28:22 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 13 11:28:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
In-Reply-To: <008CCFAD7E6A4102857E6C430EF49124@DennisMachine>
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It is also not clear whether anti-BCS feelings would make a person more or less likely to respond to such a question.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:27 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...


<These results reflect well the healthy debate on the list and the multiple?
<opinions on both sides of having a playoff or not. They do dispute the?
<earlier claim that 75%+ of fans want to keep the current system.?
?
No, they don't. They reflect the views of those on this board who responded, and that is all you can say. ?
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 13 11:32:31 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 13 11:33:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
Message-ID: <c62.3f74d204.369e2a2f@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/13/2009 9:29:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
cherron604@aol.com writes:

> It is also not clear whether anti-BCS feelings would make a person more or 
> less likely to respond to such a question.
> 
> Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
> 

Yes--no one is claiming that this is a representative  un biased sample-It 
just a sample based on those on this list server who chose to respond

Thanks for taking the time to send out,compile  and report !

Harry




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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan 13 11:33:28 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 13 11:34:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
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But more data on the issue (i.e. that feelings appear to be more mixed than unanimous) is a good thing.? Some in the sports media would have us believe that the BCS is universally hated.? This would seem to indicate otherwise.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


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Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 11:28 am
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It is also not clear whether anti-BCS feelings would make a person more or less 
likely to respond to such a question.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:27 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...


<These results reflect well the healthy debate on the list and the multiple?
<opinions on both sides of having a playoff or not. They do dispute the?
<earlier claim that 75%+ of fans want to keep the current system.?
?
No, they don't. They reflect the views of those on this board who responded, and 
that is all you can say. ?
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 13 11:44:32 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 13 11:45:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
Message-ID: <d5d.2eff667e.369e2d00@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/13/2009 9:34:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
cherron604@aol.com writes:

> 
> But more data on the issue (i.e. that feelings appear to be more mixed than 
> unanimous) is a good thing.? Some in the sports media would have us believe 
> that the BCS is universally hated.? This would seem to indicate otherwise.
> 
> Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
> 

Good point--many in the media are always looking for a story--even if they 
have to create one--This is not to knock some our good friends on the list who 
are part of the sports media world--Being NU alums, we know they serve the 1st 
Amendment well

But I suspect  this list not representative of the country nor college 
football fans in general We are is a relatively small school, where we are assumed 
to have next to zero chance to be in the national champoinship game, and have 
an likely in to the Rose Bowl  from our conference  tie in if we deserved 
it.-Therefore we are  unlikely to get screwed by the BCS methodology.  Now do a 
survey of fans from big power house schools where they probably have gotten a raw 
deal (read USC/Texas, etc) and the results would likely be different.

Harry


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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan 13 12:36:47 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan 13 12:36:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... 
Message-ID: <200901131836.n0DIalU7019592@romaine.tssi.com>

> But I suspect  this list not representative of the country nor college 
> football fans in general We are is a relatively small school, where we are assumed 
> to have next to zero chance to be in the national champoinship game, and have 
> an likely in to the Rose Bowl  from our conference  tie in if we deserved 
> it.-Therefore we are  unlikely to get screwed by the BCS methodology.  Now do a 
> survey of fans from big power house schools where they probably have gotten a raw 
> deal (read USC/Texas, etc) and the results would likely be different.

The Husker list I run is quite a bit larger than this list, but I
think the sentiments about the BCS might be rather diverse there, too.  

There wasn't even universal agreement among Husker fans that the Huskers 
deserved their BCS title game appearance a few years back.  (Though giving 
that title shot to Colorado was pretty much universally dismissed.)

I'm not sure Texas would have done much better than Oklahoma in either the
Big 12 Championship game or the BCS Championship game, though I'm pretty
sure they would have defeated Missouri handily in the former.  

But let's keep in mind that college football rankings (from whence 
come national championships) weren't created to make the fans happy, 
they were created to sell newspapers.  
--
Mike Nolan

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan 13 13:09:55 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan 13 13:09:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
Message-ID: <200901131909.n0DJ9tUW019740@romaine.tssi.com>

> And newspapers need all the help they can get.

I have my doubts that the newspaper industry will survive in anything
resembling its current form for more than the next few years.  The
papers are even helping to write their own death warrants by putting
up websites, though failure to do so might be even worse.  (Newspaper 
websites will never draw in the level of local advertising dollars that 
printed papers got.  The use of the past tense was intentional.)  

The Seattle Post-Intelligencer is up for sale, if they don't find a
buyer in 90 days it's probably toast.  The Minneapolis Star-Tribune is 
also looking at going online-only.  The days when there are two large
daily papers in Chicago are likely numbered, too.  I would not want to
be a senior at Medill (or any other college) right now, the job market 
has to be brutal.  

The newspapers won't get a 700 billion dollar bailout from Washington, 
either, at least not unless they've hired Wesley Mouch as their spokesman.

TV rules the polls, playoff and national championship picture these days,
the AP having declared itself irrelevant.

In many ways the basic purpose hasn't changed, it's still all designed 
to attract viewers (aka readers) and sell ads.  
--
Mike Nolan

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jan 13 13:33:11 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Jan 13 13:33:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200901131909.n0DJ9tUW019740@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200901131909.n0DJ9tUW019740@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE03AB2038@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

A close friend of mine (Medill grad) has been consulting for the AP on
the Newspaper 2.0.  I think everyone agrees that newspapers have to
re-invent themselves.

The challenge for newspaper owners is that it's counter-intuitive to
kill and eat the goose that used to grunt out golden eggs.  Instead many
of them have tried to cut their costs in hopes that they can preserve
some of the value of their egg business.  Instead they just lower the
quality of their product and hasten their demise.

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:10 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)

> And newspapers need all the help they can get.

I have my doubts that the newspaper industry will survive in anything
resembling its current form for more than the next few years.  The
papers are even helping to write their own death warrants by putting up
websites, though failure to do so might be even worse.  (Newspaper
websites will never draw in the level of local advertising dollars that
printed papers got.  The use of the past tense was intentional.)  

The Seattle Post-Intelligencer is up for sale, if they don't find a
buyer in 90 days it's probably toast.  The Minneapolis Star-Tribune is
also looking at going online-only.  The days when there are two large
daily papers in Chicago are likely numbered, too.  I would not want to
be a senior at Medill (or any other college) right now, the job market
has to be brutal.  

The newspapers won't get a 700 billion dollar bailout from Washington,
either, at least not unless they've hired Wesley Mouch as their
spokesman.

TV rules the polls, playoff and national championship picture these
days, the AP having declared itself irrelevant.

In many ways the basic purpose hasn't changed, it's still all designed
to attract viewers (aka readers) and sell ads.  
--
Mike Nolan

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 13:46:04 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Jan 13 13:46:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE03AB2038@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <709393.33587.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> Instead they just
> lower the
> quality of their product and hasten their demise.

I have to say, I think that sums up the status of the Chicago Tribune at the moment. Their recent redesign seems to have been a fairly desperate measure, and the results were not good in my opinion. 

The cost-cutting has made for a less-readable, less interesting product that feels like it is almost all advertising. Meanwhile, the design changes, presumably intended to attract new readers, seemed to lean towards emulating the sorts of things that websites are better at than newspapers to begin with. 

I feel for them, and certainly don't know what the solution is, but I'm pretty sure the new design wasn't it. 

Reading the morning paper is one of the great simple pleasures in life, but I suspect we'll be ending our Trib subscription in the near future.

Tom

From clzahn at mindspring.com  Tue Jan 13 13:50:38 2009
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Tue Jan 13 13:51:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
Message-ID: <14241297.1231876238853.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I certainly wasn't trying to "burn his butt".  I appreciated the effort of gathering the results.  I just didn't agree with the interpretation.

Clark Zahn

-----Original Message-----
>From: johnadeg@comcast.net
>Sent: Jan 13, 2009 9:07 AM
>To: Clark Zahn <clzahn@mindspring.com>, nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
>
>I think a lot of people on this list belong in the Cynics Hall of Fame.  Someone tries to do something and they get their butts nailed.
>
>John DeGroat
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: Clark Zahn <clzahn@mindspring.com>
>> I think you are spinning the results.  I would say that 76% are opposed to full 
>> playoffs.
>> 
>> Clark Zahn
>> 
>> 
>> >To put a little facts and data to the CFB post season debate on this list, 
>> >there were 25 responses to the survey. 
>> >
>> >Roughly half of you favor some form of playoffs, either a full playoff or 
>> >a hybrid (Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds).   The other half 
>> >preferred to keep the current bowl system.  It was not an option but two 
>> >individuals would prefer to go back to the old traditional bowl system 
>> >(pre-BCS).
>> >
>> >
>> >The Final Results (25 responses)
>> >
>> > 52% = Current Bowl System (13 responses)
>> >
>> > 24% = Full Playoffs (6 responses)
>> >
>> > 24% = Hybrid -Current Bowls & Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds (6 
>> >responses)
>> >
>> >These results reflect well the healthy debate on the list and the multiple 
>> >opinions on both sides of having a playoff or not.   They do dispute the 
>> >earlier claim that 75%+ of fans want to keep the current system. 
>> >
>> >My vote was for the Hybrid, I think it provides the best opportunity to 
>> >keep the spirit of the traditional bowl system, provides NU as a BCS 
>> >school an easier path to compete for a national title (which we will 
>> >achieve before I die), offers a short playoff to decide the national 
>> >title, and still leaves a subjective debate to the process (Determining 
>> >the Top 4 to compete for the national title) which I enjoy.
>> >
>> >If we had a few more thousand responses, I would have sent the survey 
>> >results to our elected officials for them to consider in setting our 
>> >country's priorities but we fell short.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >Brian Winkler
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message ----
>> >From: Brian H. Winkler <Winkler_Brian_H@cat.com>
>> >To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> >Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 9:11:16 AM
>> >Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl vs Playoff Survey - Very Scientific Sample Size 
>> >- Please Respond
>> >
>> >In the spirit of facts and data, I am curious what our list would favor 
>> >for the CFB post season.
>> >
>> >Please reply back directly to me and choose one of the three options 
>> >below.  I will compile the results.
>> >
>> >
>> >CFB Postseason Options:
>> >
>> >
>> >___  Current Bowl System
>> >
>> >___  Full Playoffs (Similar to I-AA)
>> >
>> >___  Hybrid (Current Bowls and Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds)
>> >
>> >
>> >I realize there are other options but let's go with these to keep it 
>> >simple and they seem to be the ones most discussed.
>> >
>> >Let's find out where our group is.
>> >
>> >
>> >Brian Winkler, CAS '91
>> >
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan 13 13:54:20 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan 13 13:54:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... 
Message-ID: <200901131954.n0DJsKYw020008@romaine.tssi.com>

> A close friend of mine (Medill grad) has been consulting for the AP on
> the Newspaper 2.0.  I think everyone agrees that newspapers have to
> re-invent themselves.

They aren't the only organizations facing that.  I work with a
not-for-profit national membership association (the US Chess Federation)
that has lost nearly half of its adult memberships in the past
decade.  Younger kids, including my sons, aren't playing chess, they're 
playing adventure-based board games.  (I believe the American Contract 
Bridge League has similarly declining/greying adult membership.)

My father-in-law had a sign by his desk (it's by mine now):  

   When you stop being better, you stop being good!
--
Mike Nolan

From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan 13 13:58:51 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 13 13:59:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <709393.33587.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB43D07D6D6BA6-1620-415@mblk-d15.sysops.aol.com>

What will become of leisurely breakfasts at the corner diner, or morning commutes on the el or commuter train, when we no longer have morning papers to occupy us ?

Will we return to polite conversation with those around us ?? Or will we see a retreat into everyone's personal iPod ?

And promise me it won't be CNN on a flat screen, repeating the same stories every 15 minutes (like it does now in our airports...)

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85?


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 1:46 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)



> Instead they just
> lower the
> quality of their product and hasten their demise.

I have to say, I think that sums up the status of the Chicago Tribune at the 
moment. Their recent redesign seems to have been a fairly desperate measure, and 
the results were not good in my opinion. 

The cost-cutting has made for a less-readable, less interesting product that 
feels like it is almost all advertising. Meanwhile, the design changes, 
presumably intended to attract new readers, seemed to lean towards emulating the 
sorts of things that websites are better at than newspapers to begin with. 

I feel for them, and certainly don't know what the solution is, but I'm pretty 
sure the new design wasn't it. 

Reading the morning paper is one of the great simple pleasures in life, but I 
suspect we'll be ending our Trib subscription in the near future.

Tom

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jan 13 14:13:11 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Jan 13 14:13:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <8CB43D07D6D6BA6-1620-415@mblk-d15.sysops.aol.com>
References: <709393.33587.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<8CB43D07D6D6BA6-1620-415@mblk-d15.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE03AB2094@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Clearly that's one of the basket of opportunities that today's trusted
news sources have available to them.  

They have to figure out how to monetize what their real assets are, and
that's not printing presses.

I would suggest that one of their real assets is their ability to
consume a fire hose of unfiltered data and provide me with a gentle
stream of what is important to me.

In my case, that includes a hefty dose of local and regional news as
well as some thoughtful opinion on national and international issues.
More in depth than CNN or the local TV stations are going to be able to
deliver, and more thoughtful and trustworthy than the blogosphere - but
also just as clearly competing with all of them for the same eyeballs.

Jeff


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On Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:59 PM
To: tkmaycock@yahoo.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)

What will become of leisurely breakfasts at the corner diner, or morning
commutes on the el or commuter train, when we no longer have morning
papers to occupy us ?

Will we return to polite conversation with those around us ?? Or will we
see a retreat into everyone's personal iPod ?

And promise me it won't be CNN on a flat screen, repeating the same
stories every 15 minutes (like it does now in our airports...)

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85?


-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 1:46 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)



> Instead they just
> lower the
> quality of their product and hasten their demise.

I have to say, I think that sums up the status of the Chicago Tribune at
the moment. Their recent redesign seems to have been a fairly desperate
measure, and the results were not good in my opinion. 

The cost-cutting has made for a less-readable, less interesting product
that feels like it is almost all advertising. Meanwhile, the design
changes, presumably intended to attract new readers, seemed to lean
towards emulating the sorts of things that websites are better at than
newspapers to begin with. 

I feel for them, and certainly don't know what the solution is, but I'm
pretty sure the new design wasn't it. 

Reading the morning paper is one of the great simple pleasures in life,
but I suspect we'll be ending our Trib subscription in the near future.

Tom

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan 13 15:04:37 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan 13 15:04:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
Message-ID: <200901132104.n0DL4bWi020329@romaine.tssi.com>

> What will become of leisurely breakfasts at the corner diner, or morning commutes on the el or commuter train, when we no longer have morning papers to occupy us ?
> 
> Will we return to polite conversation with those around us ?? Or will we see a retreat into everyone's personal iPod ?

Or their Blackberry.  (That may already be the case.)

I've actually seen a couple at a restaurant texting each other rather
than talking to each other!
--
Mike Nolan

From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 15:52:48 2009
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Tue Jan 13 15:52:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
References: <709393.33587.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<8CB43D07D6D6BA6-1620-415@mblk-d15.sysops.aol.com>
	<E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE03AB2094@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <417544.78609.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I agree with those who've said that newspapers are only harming themselves by cutting the quality of news coverage.? Quantity can be cut.? I think we all recognize that.? But if you slim down so much everyone's overworked and overstressed, the paper's quality will drop so low that subscriptions drop too -- and revenues will drop even more.? It's a vicious cycle.

Here's the bottom line: There will always be a market for solid, hard, investigative news - the kind currently offered by the NYT, WashPost, WSJ, NPR, etc.? The question is, how will we want to consume it?

Heck, there will always be a market for sports news too.? This list is proof of that.? (The list itself focuses more on opinion, but where would we be without any sources for our conversation?)

-- Ben


________________________________
From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:13:11 PM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)

Clearly that's one of the basket of opportunities that today's trusted
news sources have available to them.? 

They have to figure out how to monetize what their real assets are, and
that's not printing presses.

I would suggest that one of their real assets is their ability to
consume a fire hose of unfiltered data and provide me with a gentle
stream of what is important to me.

In my case, that includes a hefty dose of local and regional news as
well as some thoughtful opinion on national and international issues.
More in depth than CNN or the local TV stations are going to be able to
deliver, and more thoughtful and trustworthy than the blogosphere - but
also just as clearly competing with all of them for the same eyeballs.

Jeff


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On Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:59 PM
To: tkmaycock@yahoo.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)

What will become of leisurely breakfasts at the corner diner, or morning
commutes on the el or commuter train, when we no longer have morning
papers to occupy us ?

Will we return to polite conversation with those around us ?? Or will we
see a retreat into everyone's personal iPod ?

And promise me it won't be CNN on a flat screen, repeating the same
stories every 15 minutes (like it does now in our airports...)

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85?


-----Original Message-----
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To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 1:46 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)



> Instead they just
> lower the
> quality of their product and hasten their demise.

I have to say, I think that sums up the status of the Chicago Tribune at
the moment. Their recent redesign seems to have been a fairly desperate
measure, and the results were not good in my opinion. 

The cost-cutting has made for a less-readable, less interesting product
that feels like it is almost all advertising. Meanwhile, the design
changes, presumably intended to attract new readers, seemed to lean
towards emulating the sorts of things that websites are better at than
newspapers to begin with. 

I feel for them, and certainly don't know what the solution is, but I'm
pretty sure the new design wasn't it. 

Reading the morning paper is one of the great simple pleasures in life,
but I suspect we'll be ending our Trib subscription in the near future.

Tom

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From cp2m at enterprisesw.com  Tue Jan 13 16:00:45 2009
From: cp2m at enterprisesw.com (Chris and Lori Patterson)
Date: Tue Jan 13 16:01:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Ingalls Leaves for Saints
Message-ID: <9C4DA138A9F343289E3B1383F1CD396E@Eagle>

I'm not sure what the season stats were on sacks and yards per carry. Can
someone report on that?

My impressions are we were better than most of the Big Ten on protecting the
quarterback.

And considering that we had a very young front line (how many red shirt
freshman?), I would say the OL did exceptionally well -- which probably why
Ingalls is off to a NFL job.

It would be nice to see these guys create some bigger holes for our running
backs next year.

Go CATS!

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Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:25 PM
To: jonathanwhodges@gmail.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ingalls Leaves for Saints

As a group, what have we thought of the offensive line play ?

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


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Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:04 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Ingalls Leaves for Saints



http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-2-1091/Northwestern-s-Ingalls-leaves-for
-Saints.html

NU OL coach Ingalls is leaving for the Saints (he's been with NU for 3
seasons, this is his first NFL coaching job).  Fitz is expected to announce
a replacement soon.

Jonathan
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jan 13 16:14:00 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jan 13 16:14:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
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<Here's the bottom line: There will always be a market for solid, hard, 
investigative news - the kind currently offered by the NYT, WashPost, WSJ, 
NPR, etc. <The question is, how will we want to consume it?

Would that the NYT, NPR, etc. actually did investigative news instead of 
pumping out liberal propaganda.  No one has noted that is part of the reason 
for many newspapers' failures.  Too many are simply dishonest and slanted. 
Sometimes I think I'm reading Civil War-era newspapers when they  didn't 
apologize for supporting one party or the other.

One other reason:  The world is losing its attention span.  Fewer and fewer 
want to take the time to read in-depth reports.  Allow me one other 
observation:  I don't believe there are many journalists who are all that 
knowledgeable. 

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan 13 16:22:43 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan 13 16:22:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Ingalls Leaves for Saints
In-Reply-To: <9C4DA138A9F343289E3B1383F1CD396E@Eagle> from "Chris and Lori
	Patterson" at Jan 13, 2009 05:00:45 PM
Message-ID: <200901132222.n0DMMhdw020803@romaine.tssi.com>

> I'm not sure what the season stats were on sacks and yards per carry. Can
> someone report on that?

According to the NCAA site:

We were 45th nationally in sacks allowed with 22 sacks allowed in 13 games.
That appears to be 2nd in the Big 10.  (Penn State was tied for 4th
nationally with just 13 sacks in 13 games.)
 
> My impressions are we were better than most of the Big Ten on protecting the
> quarterback.

At least compared to other teams in the conference.

We were 5th in the conference in passing offense (59th nationally) and 
8th in the conference in rushing offense (64th nationally.)  Injuries 
surely played a part in the latter.

Defensively, we were tied for 18th nationally and 2nd in the conference 
in sacking the QB, 2.62 per game.  (Illinois was #1 in the conference,
with fewer total sacks but one less game.)  
--
Mike Nolan

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan 13 16:34:56 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan 13 16:35:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... 
Message-ID: <200901132234.n0DMYuSF020865@romaine.tssi.com>

> One other reason:  The world is losing its attention span.  Fewer and fewer 
> want to take the time to read in-depth reports.  Allow me one other 
> observation:  I don't believe there are many journalists who are all that 
> knowledgeable. 

I don't think that's it, I just think too many journalists want to 
be Woodward and Bernstein without doing the mind-numbing detail work 
they did to BECOME experts on a subject, if only briefly.  

I hate reading news stories about things I know well, such as the 
Internet, the level of details they get wrong is appalling to me.  I 
recall one story in the New York Times in which the statement was made 
that Google owns USENET.  (Anybody who has even a mild clue what USENET 
is knows how ludicrous that statement is.)  

When I was on the school board here, I'd read the stories about our
board meetings and wonder if the reporter was at the same meeting I was.
--
Mike Nolan

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 16:40:04 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Jan 13 16:40:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Ingalls Leaves for Saints
In-Reply-To: <200901132222.n0DMMhdw020803@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <312002.70847.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

On a subjective basis, this year I'd say the O-line did a pretty good job on pass protection, but only an "OK" job on run blocking. That impression seems to fit Mike' stats. 

Opening up running lanes was a problem all year, especially compared to, say, Sutton's first year. 

However, this was a very young line. The results were fairly impressive given that fact, although the Sutton/Conteh injuries really hurt the running game late in the season. 

Tom
 


From Winkler_Brian_H at cat.com  Tue Jan 13 16:43:38 2009
From: Winkler_Brian_H at cat.com (Brian H. Winkler)
Date: Tue Jan 13 16:47:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
In-Reply-To: <14241297.1231876238853.JavaMail.root@mswamui-backed.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <OF85471793.8E515B1E-ON8625753D.007BCAB0-8625753D.007CDA93@notes.cat.com>

I forgot my worst grade at NU was a very painful "economic stats class." 

Though I still think of those who responded about half favor the current 
bowl system and the other half favor SOME FORM of a playoff. 

What's the saying, "you can always find a statistic to prove your point," 
unless you are my mother--in-law and it that case - she is always right.

Regards,

Brian Winkler




Clark Zahn <clzahn@mindspring.com> 
Sent by: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
01/13/2009 01:51 PM
Please respond to
Clark Zahn <clzahn@mindspring.com>


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Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until: 02/12/2009 



I certainly wasn't trying to "burn his butt".  I appreciated the effort of 
gathering the results.  I just didn't agree with the interpretation.

Clark Zahn

-----Original Message-----
>From: johnadeg@comcast.net
>Sent: Jan 13, 2009 9:07 AM
>To: Clark Zahn <clzahn@mindspring.com>, nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
>
>I think a lot of people on this list belong in the Cynics Hall of Fame. 
Someone tries to do something and they get their butts nailed.
>
>John DeGroat
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: Clark Zahn <clzahn@mindspring.com>
>> I think you are spinning the results.  I would say that 76% are opposed 
to full 
>> playoffs.
>> 
>> Clark Zahn
>> 
>> 
>> >To put a little facts and data to the CFB post season debate on this 
list, 
>> >there were 25 responses to the survey. 
>> >
>> >Roughly half of you favor some form of playoffs, either a full playoff 
or 
>> >a hybrid (Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds).   The other half 
>> >preferred to keep the current bowl system.  It was not an option but 
two 
>> >individuals would prefer to go back to the old traditional bowl system 

>> >(pre-BCS).
>> >
>> >
>> >The Final Results (25 responses)
>> >
>> > 52% = Current Bowl System (13 responses)
>> >
>> > 24% = Full Playoffs (6 responses)
>> >
>> > 24% = Hybrid -Current Bowls & Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds (6 

>> >responses)
>> >
>> >These results reflect well the healthy debate on the list and the 
multiple 
>> >opinions on both sides of having a playoff or not.   They do dispute 
the 
>> >earlier claim that 75%+ of fans want to keep the current system. 
>> >
>> >My vote was for the Hybrid, I think it provides the best opportunity 
to 
>> >keep the spirit of the traditional bowl system, provides NU as a BCS 
>> >school an easier path to compete for a national title (which we will 
>> >achieve before I die), offers a short playoff to decide the national 
>> >title, and still leaves a subjective debate to the process 
(Determining 
>> >the Top 4 to compete for the national title) which I enjoy.
>> >
>> >If we had a few more thousand responses, I would have sent the survey 
>> >results to our elected officials for them to consider in setting our 
>> >country's priorities but we fell short.
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >Brian Winkler
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message ----
>> >From: Brian H. Winkler <Winkler_Brian_H@cat.com>
>> >To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> >Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2009 9:11:16 AM
>> >Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl vs Playoff Survey - Very Scientific Sample 
Size 
>> >- Please Respond
>> >
>> >In the spirit of facts and data, I am curious what our list would 
favor 
>> >for the CFB post season.
>> >
>> >Please reply back directly to me and choose one of the three options 
>> >below.  I will compile the results.
>> >
>> >
>> >CFB Postseason Options:
>> >
>> >
>> >___  Current Bowl System
>> >
>> >___  Full Playoffs (Similar to I-AA)
>> >
>> >___  Hybrid (Current Bowls and Plus One Playoff for Top 4 BCS seeds)
>> >
>> >
>> >I realize there are other options but let's go with these to keep it 
>> >simple and they seem to be the ones most discussed.
>> >
>> >Let's find out where our group is.
>> >
>> >
>> >Brian Winkler, CAS '91
>> >
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Jan 13 17:01:57 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 13 17:02:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
Message-ID: <bea.34f1bec0.369e7765@aol.com>

Ah yes, the liberal media, responsible for losing both those  pesky WMDs, and 
Osama, causing that big mess down in New Orleans, and ruining  our financial 
system. Thank god for Bush/Cheney "mission  accomplished"
 
 
In a message dated 1/13/2009 5:14:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tbng@comcast.net writes:

Would  that the NYT, NPR, etc. actually did investigative news instead of 
pumping  out liberal propaganda.  No one has noted that is part of the reason 
 
for many newspapers' failures.  Too many are simply dishonest and  slanted.

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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jan 13 17:06:42 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jan 13 17:07:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
References: <bea.34f1bec0.369e7765@aol.com>
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I wasn't talking about politics but media bias.  I'm a long way from the 
first to say it.

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> Ah yes, the liberal media, responsible for losing both those  pesky WMDs, 
> and
> Osama, causing that big mess down in New Orleans, and ruining  our 
> financial
> system. Thank god for Bush/Cheney "mission  accomplished"
>
>
> In a message dated 1/13/2009 5:14:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tbng@comcast.net writes:
>
> Would  that the NYT, NPR, etc. actually did investigative news instead of
> pumping  out liberal propaganda.  No one has noted that is part of the 
> reason
>
> for many newspapers' failures.  Too many are simply dishonest and 
> slanted.
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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Tue Jan 13 17:07:01 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Tue Jan 13 17:09:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Ingalls Leaves for Saints
Message-ID: <20090113.170701.26579.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

The O-line was much better than I expected, but still had some problems.

They had few holding penalties and did not allow many sacks.  Sack total is a factor of the QBs internal clock which CJ was very good at and quick hitting plays which tends to be our forte.  CJ is also elusive in that he rolls away from pressure effectively even if he does not run well.

The O-line could not overpower anyone.  If we needed 2 yards on 3rd down we better be throwing it or have some trick play, because the defense is sure to stop us running up the middle.

Since Dunbar we have had NO power running game.  Everytime I see the I-formation I cringe.

-- Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:
On a subjective basis, this year I'd say the O-line did a pretty good job on pass protection, but only an "OK" job on run blocking. That impression seems to fit Mike' stats. 

Opening up running lanes was a problem all year, especially compared to, say, Sutton's first year. 

However, this was a very young line. The results were fairly impressive given that fact, although the Sutton/Conteh injuries really hurt the running game late in the season. 

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Jan 13 17:28:41 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Jan 13 17:28:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE02EDF221@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Ah...so that's how perception becomes reality.  I wondered how that worked. 

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Sent: Tue Jan 13 18:06:42 2009
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I wasn't talking about politics but media bias.  I'm a long way from the 
first to say it.

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> Ah yes, the liberal media, responsible for losing both those  pesky WMDs, 
> and
> Osama, causing that big mess down in New Orleans, and ruining  our 
> financial
> system. Thank god for Bush/Cheney "mission  accomplished"
>
>
> In a message dated 1/13/2009 5:14:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> tbng@comcast.net writes:
>
> Would  that the NYT, NPR, etc. actually did investigative news instead of
> pumping  out liberal propaganda.  No one has noted that is part of the 
> reason
>
> for many newspapers' failures.  Too many are simply dishonest and 
> slanted.
>
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Tue Jan 13 18:20:20 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Jan 13 18:20:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... 
Message-ID: <011420090020.29247.496D2FC4000B81DA0000723F2212020784090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Mike:

What you say is a good argument for J-School students to be required to take some economics, finance and science courses to supplement their majors.  It strikes me that too many in the media tend to demonstrate their ignorance with great enthusiasm.  It would also make sense in my opinion to require law school applicants to have worked at least at couple of years before going to law school.  The top MBA programs require that kind of experience before going into their MBA program.

John DeGroaat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
> > One other reason:  The world is losing its attention span.  Fewer and fewer 
> > want to take the time to read in-depth reports.  Allow me one other 
> > observation:  I don't believe there are many journalists who are all that 
> > knowledgeable. 
> 
> I don't think that's it, I just think too many journalists want to 
> be Woodward and Bernstein without doing the mind-numbing detail work 
> they did to BECOME experts on a subject, if only briefly.  
> 
> I hate reading news stories about things I know well, such as the 
> Internet, the level of details they get wrong is appalling to me.  I 
> recall one story in the New York Times in which the statement was made 
> that Google owns USENET.  (Anybody who has even a mild clue what USENET 
> is knows how ludicrous that statement is.)  
> 
> When I was on the school board here, I'd read the stories about our
> board meetings and wonder if the reporter was at the same meeting I was.
> --
> Mike Nolan
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Tue Jan 13 18:39:48 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Jan 13 18:40:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
Message-ID: <011420090039.10296.496D34540003D1E2000028382212020784090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

The Detroit Free Press and Detroit News have decided to stop delivery except on Fri.-Sunday and provide an email version the other days.  The Detroit economy caused them to do this but it may be an unintended  life saver for them.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com>
> > Instead they just
> > lower the
> > quality of their product and hasten their demise.
> 
> I have to say, I think that sums up the status of the Chicago Tribune at the 
> moment. Their recent redesign seems to have been a fairly desperate measure, and 
> the results were not good in my opinion. 
> 
> The cost-cutting has made for a less-readable, less interesting product that 
> feels like it is almost all advertising. Meanwhile, the design changes, 
> presumably intended to attract new readers, seemed to lean towards emulating the 
> sorts of things that websites are better at than newspapers to begin with. 
> 
> I feel for them, and certainly don't know what the solution is, but I'm pretty 
> sure the new design wasn't it. 
> 
> Reading the morning paper is one of the great simple pleasures in life, but I 
> suspect we'll be ending our Trib subscription in the near future.
> 
> Tom
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From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 19:47:41 2009
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Tue Jan 13 19:47:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
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You know, believe it or not, I was hoping to keep this discussion OUT of politics...

As for some of the other issues being raised, the attention span point is a pretty fair one.? But I do still think there are enough people who care enough about various subjects to read (or listen to) in-depth stories.? Meanwhile, Mike and John make good points about how we often don't research our subjects enough before writing our stories.? Of course, making blanket statements here is dangerous, but you can usually tell when a reporter has done his/her research and when they haven't.

Medill does have some non-journalism class requirements, but they're not all that significant: only one economics class, for example.? That's an area I wish I had learned more about in college.? Of course, my parents still?think all I got at Medill was a "trade school" education.

But what makes this "economics/market of journalism" discussion relevant to this list?? How about the ever-shrinking Northwestern sports coverage in the Trib, Sun-Times and elsewhere?

Just a handful of years ago, NU football had stories in the Trib and ST almost daily during the season.? Now they get 1-2 a week, plus a blurb or two if we're lucky.? And the reporters have higher priorities elsewhere, so they don't have time to build sources or learn the team.? Their stories get more and more superficial every year.

That's how this affects us.? And that's why we should care.

-- Ben



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<Here's the bottom line: There will always be a market for solid, hard, investigative news - the kind currently offered by the NYT, WashPost, WSJ, NPR, etc. <The question is, how will we want to consume it?

Would that the NYT, NPR, etc. actually did investigative news instead of pumping out liberal propaganda.? No one has noted that is part of the reason for many newspapers' failures.? Too many are simply dishonest and slanted. Sometimes I think I'm reading Civil War-era newspapers when they? didn't apologize for supporting one party or the other.

One other reason:? The world is losing its attention span.? Fewer and fewer want to take the time to read in-depth reports.? Allow me one other observation:? I don't believe there are many journalists who are all that knowledgeable. 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 21:32:22 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan 13 21:32:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
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> But more data on the issue (i.e. that feelings appear to be
> more mixed than unanimous) is a good thing.? Some in the
> sports media would have us believe that the BCS is
> universally hated.? This would seem to indicate otherwise.

First off, thanks for doing the survey - it was fun.

However, I don't think it tells us anything about the B(C)S because of the options.

I don't think most people have any problem with bowl games, aside from the fact that they seem to be multiplying faster than rabbits.

The problem is the B(C)S, and in a poll of ...
- Traditional bowl system (the way things were)
- Bowl Championship Series (the way things are)
- Plus-One Model (the way things will be soon)
- Playoff format (the way things will never be)

... I think the vast majority of people reject the B(C)S method.

Oh well, we can dream:)
GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 13 21:34:32 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 13 21:34:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... 
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In a message dated 1/13/2009 4:21:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
johnadeg@comcast.net writes:

> What you say is a good argument for J-School students to be required to 
> take some economics, finance and science courses to supplement their majors. 

That  was always a key component of Medil--If I remember correctly J-students 
only had 9 out of their 45  required courses actually from the Medill School 
itself.

I was in Tech undergrad and I think about 3/4 of the classes were either in 
Tech or Math/Science

And yes, it's too bad many journailists seem to have a deficiency in various 
subjects that they cover--probably because they didnt have those kind of 
inter-displinary requirements

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 21:46:56 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan 13 21:47:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The Media (was: CFB Postseason...Survey Says...)
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> <Here's the bottom line: There will always be a
> market for solid, hard, investigative news - the kind
> currently offered by the NYT, WashPost, WSJ, NPR, etc.

> Would that the NYT, NPR, etc. actually did investigative
> news instead of pumping out liberal propaganda.  No one has

A cheap shot, but we'll move on for now.:) I think what Ben meant was the in-depth reporting that only a few news organizations have the staff resources to do these days. But some people can't resist, I guess.

> reports.  Allow me one other observation:  I don't
> believe there are many journalists who are all that
> knowledgeable. 

OK, now I'll jump in ...

You guys are giving reporters waaaaaaay too much credit. Sure, a few columnists at the Times or WSJ may get to choose their topics and hence show their bias (it's called an opinion column for a reason)

But the majority of newspaper stories are not chosen by the reporters, nor do they have time to set any agenda with all the extra stories they have to write because of staff cutbacks.

As far as knowledgeable, I would put my coworkers at the newspapers where I spent seven years against anyone anyday. Few people have as broad a base of knowledge as journalists because they cover such a variety of topics during the work week as a reporter, editor, designer, etc. Of course a reader will usually be more expert on a story in their field, but they'll be clueless in other areas.

Much to reporters' dismay, what you see in the paper is actually much more driven by you, the reader. So if we're pointing fingers at the quality of stories seen in newspapers these days, with short snippet articles, loads of gossip and fluffy pieces that ignore serious details going on, just remember that the other four are back at you.

It would be nice if the people who owned newspapers still felt a need to lift the discussion, set the agenda and tell people what they need to know as part of a public trust, but those people have been replaced by shareholders and corporations who demand dollars and want to satisfy the public - give 'em what they want, not what they need.

So let's not harp too much on my former profession here. Much like the B(C)S, there are plenty of smart, sensible people who yearn for a change in the megasystem ... but they're not the ones in power.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT
Medill '97


      

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Jan 13 22:28:41 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 13 22:26:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The Media (was: CFB Postseason...Survey Says...)
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Fair enough but I remember about 10 years ago I was still reading the  
Sentinel (a Trib paper) the NYT, the WSJ, the Economist, Business week,  Forbes, 
Fortune and a few others in paper form. Now I read the Sentinel and SI  in paper 
form and 20 other publications on the web, I get a lot more "serious  details" 
which I can cross reference on Wickapedia or search on Google, it is a  new 
world for news, papers are going back to what they do, classified (although  
Craig's list, etc are killing them) movie reviews (see rotten tomatoes) and  
breaking news (try 24 hour local news on TV)  My friends in the newspaper  
business are depressed for good reason, like the yellow pages, it has been  killed 
by the internet.
 
 
In a message dated 1/13/2009 10:47:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
sjtruog@yahoo.com writes:

Much to  reporters' dismay, what you see in the paper is actually much more 
driven by  you, the reader. So if we're pointing fingers at the quality of 
stories seen  in newspapers these days, with short snippet articles, loads of 
gossip and  fluffy pieces that ignore serious details going on, just remember that 
the  other four are back at  you.



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From shawn.folkes at comcast.net  Tue Jan 13 21:40:12 2009
From: shawn.folkes at comcast.net (shawn.folkes@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Jan 13 23:01:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Ingalls Leaves for Saints
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I'm going to preface this by saying that i have high hopes for next year's?O-line, given what i would call an acceptable performance (for such a young group) this year, the likely improvement as they mature, and the redshirt freshman we already have plus Patrick Ward we're getting next year.?? 



But, i don't think it's a given.? I could argue that part of their pass-blocking success had to do with CJ having a pretty quick release.? I think CJ made them look better, just as Tyrell made them look like better run blockers when he was available.? When Kafka was in, the pass-blocking didn't hold up as well (if i remember correctly).? 



I guess we'll find out more next year. 



Shawn 

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On a subjective basis, this year I'd say the O-line did a pretty good job on pass protection, but only an "OK" job on run blocking. That impression seems to fit Mike' stats. 

Opening up running lanes was a problem all year, especially compared to, say, Sutton's first year. 

However, this was a very young line. The results were fairly impressive given that fact, although the Sutton/Conteh injuries really hurt the running game late in the season. 

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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Tue Jan 13 23:21:26 2009
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Tue Jan 13 23:28:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says...
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I would favor a plus one if it would finally put this issue to rest.  It 
probably wouldn't, though.

Clark Zahn

Brian H. Winkler wrote:
> I forgot my worst grade at NU was a very painful "economic stats class." 
>
> Though I still think of those who responded about half favor the current 
> bowl system and the other half favor SOME FORM of a playoff. 
>
> What's the saying, "you can always find a statistic to prove your point," 
> unless you are my mother--in-law and it that case - she is always right.
>
> Regards,
>
> Brian Winkler
>
>
>
>
>   

From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jan 14 02:20:46 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Jan 14 02:20:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: The Media (was: CFB Postseason...Survey Says...)
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>> Would that the NYT, NPR, etc. actually did investigative
>> news instead of pumping out liberal propaganda.  No one has

> A cheap shot, but we'll move on for now.:)

No cheap shot.  If the discussion is the demise of the newspaper industry, 
liberal bias is a factor.  The difference between news and op-ed has 
blurred, and the overwhelming slant is left.

>> reports.  Allow me one other observation:  I don't
>> believe there are many journalists who are all that
>> knowledgeable.

In the course of publishing two books on the Civil War, I have been 
interviewed by newspapers several times by a variety of journalists.  In 
every case, it was clear within a minute that I was talking to someone who 
lacked even junior high knowledge of history, and not one story has cited me 
accurately even when they record the interview.  And the old adage of spell 
the names properly no longer applies, it seems.

From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 14 05:36:27 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed Jan 14 05:36:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] media "bias", then back to FB
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FWIW the newsroom at the paper I work at (suburban Philadelphia) was 70 percent for McCain, easily. 

Also, Dennis, ANYONE's grasp of history these days (and I speak as one with graduate work in U.S. history), not just journalists', is pathetic. History as you and I know it is often not taught any longer; "social studies" has taken its place or it?s been severely cut back due to ?No Child Left Behind? math/reading focus.

At my high school (private, college prep) several veteran history teachers resigned or retired when ?social studies? was brought in to replace history (that happened several years after I graduated, thank goodness!).

But back to FB and the offensive line. Since the version of the spread NU uses emphasizes quick-hit passes and short passes (too much so, I know, for many of us; look what happened when CJ went downfield in the Alamo Bowl) I think any effective NU QB will have a ?quick release?.

What I worry about is the QB developing confidence in a relatively untested bunch of receivers. You don?t ?release? the ball unless you think they will catch it. 

Also, the key to avoiding sacks, other than the OL doing its job well, is a QB developing that ?instinct? of when the heat is coming and thus getting rid of the ball. Some QBs have this (Dan Marino, Brett Basanez); others much less so (Neil O?Donnell, Vinny Testaverde). I am not sure it can be taught. 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan 14 06:44:02 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jan 14 06:36:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
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Not to create more clutter....

Back when everyone bought a newspaper, there were many voices in the press. 

In New York City in the 60's there were a pretty balanced pack - the Trib was middle of the road, The Daily News (owned by the Pattersons) was fairly conservative republican in its outlook, Newsday was the Daily News of Long Island, and the NY Times was more likely read by "progressive Democrats" maybe even "Liberals" in its outlook, but there were the other papers to balance it off.  

There was a lively Jewish press that presented most sides of an issue, I think I remember several Afrocentric newspapers and at least one Chinese language one, all of which had opinion pages, and covered the news pretty much who, when, where, why, how.

There were 3 "networks" that provided both TV and Radio, two wire services, AP and UPI. Most news reporters came up through the ranks, starting as cub reporters doing obits, and police reports, and editors strove to present the basic news.

Nobody cared about the newspaper's politics because it was on their masthead. Rochester's Democrat and Chronicle was usually behind the Democrat Party but there were other newspapers to balance the leading paper and they did.

The Internet and World Wide Web pretty well killed off all but the biggest newspapers, and the presence of 6 or 7 local news channel is shaking the foundations of the rest. Add the information that a large percentage of the under 25's have a comedy show as their PRIMARY news source, and probably get all their local news in text messages (see Gossip), a newspaper that pounds one philosophy in its stories as well as its editorial page will lose interest from people with other philosophies.

We have two local papers here in Seaford. The one that is most widely read is the one that reports all of the local sports scores, the other only has one page of local sports, even though they both have the same number of sports reporters. People marvel at how we get the Little League World Series and American Legion covered in both papers - the answer is that I essentially write all the stories and send them in.

I hate to see all the different voices go, but when the only "news sources" become biased in their presentation, something else needs to take their place.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 6:29 PM
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Ah...so that's how perception becomes reality.  I wondered how that worked. 

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I wasn't talking about politics but media bias.  I'm a long way from the 
first to say it.

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> Ah yes, the liberal media, responsible for losing both those  pesky WMDs, 
> and
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> financial
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>
> Would  that the NYT, NPR, etc. actually did investigative news instead of
> pumping  out liberal propaganda.  No one has noted that is part of the 
> reason
>
> for many newspapers' failures.  Too many are simply dishonest and 
> slanted.
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 06:50:55 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Jan 14 06:51:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Ingalls Leaves for Saints
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The OL did a respectable job given their level of experience (3 redshirt
freshmen, 1 DL convert, and 1 guy with limited playing time coming in),
although their deficiencies were masked early on and things degraded as the
season progressed.

In the pass blocking department, the "sacks allowed" number is a bit
deceiving as CJ routinely got off quick throws in order to avoid the pass
rush.  Many complained about McCall's play calling during the year, keeping
to the short passing game, which may very well have been an attempt to keep
the pass rush at bay by getting the ball out of Bacher's hands quickly.

In the run blocking department, on the year NU's running game gained 3.7
yards/carry (note that that number includes sacks).  Sutton gained a
respectable 4.8 yards/carry, and everyone else dipped down to 3.1
yards/carry.  The eventual starter at RB, Simmons, only gained 2.7
yards/carry.  The zone run blocking scheme definitely began to break down
later in the year and only produced significant runs (3+ yards) on occasion
- most of those coming in the Alamo Bowl thanks to Sutton's second and third
efforts.  The run blocking scheme must be addressed next year, and
thankfully there's an entire offseason to work on that (although they won't
have the luxury of an experienced RB in the backfield).

In any case, while the offensive line wasn't great, they were better than
what could be expected from a group of mostly first-time starters, IMHO -
and this trial by fire should begin to pay off next year as they gain more
experience and also have a group of talented recruits (who will be redshirt
freshmen) breathing down their necks.

Jonathan

On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Chris and Lori Patterson <
cp2m@enterprisesw.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure what the season stats were on sacks and yards per carry. Can
> someone report on that?
>
> My impressions are we were better than most of the Big Ten on protecting
> the
> quarterback.
>
> And considering that we had a very young front line (how many red shirt
> freshman?), I would say the OL did exceptionally well -- which probably why
> Ingalls is off to a NFL job.
>
> It would be nice to see these guys create some bigger holes for our running
> backs next year.
>
> Go CATS!
>
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> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ingalls Leaves for Saints
>
> As a group, what have we thought of the offensive line play ?
>
> Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> To: NU Sports Listserv <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:04 pm
> Subject: [NU Sports] Ingalls Leaves for Saints
>
>
>
>
> http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-2-1091/Northwestern-s-Ingalls-leaves-for
> -Saints.html<http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-2-1091/Northwestern-s-Ingalls-leaves-for-Saints.html>
>
> NU OL coach Ingalls is leaving for the Saints (he's been with NU for 3
> seasons, this is his first NFL coaching job).  Fitz is expected to announce
> a replacement soon.
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan 14 07:23:48 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jan 14 07:16:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Ingalls Leaves for Saints
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If you watch the line play closely on any team with a good running game,
their lines tend to open very small seams through the D-line and usually
have a really good block on a linebacker that springs the running back past
the backers (about 3 yards)

If the Linebackers read where the seam is planned they can use an additional
linebacker or safety to fill the developing hole, the 8 men in the box
theory of defense. In the spread you have to get enough guys downfield to
discourage the defense from packing the middle and complete the passes to
those receivers.

IMHO, our 5 guys up front did a decent job on pass protection, and usually
got that first seam opened. We usually try to get a running lane through the
B (Tackle-Guard) and C (outside Tackle) gaps, right or left and not always
on the strong (tight end) side.

Our line blocking for runs has always appeared to be a kind of zone block,
where the running lane is supposed to open between the guard and tackle with
the back able to bounce outside depending on how the defense stacks up. I've
never asked if the QB reads anything before handing off but I don't think we
have any play action-QB calls in the playbook that we've used.

Next year, I'd like to see us use Kafka on the option more, and maybe use
Brewer as the pitch guy coming from the slot, the way the spread option
teams do. Our still young line would be able to block this using the zone
techniques, reading the inside folks for the run up the middle.

We can also try running a few of the HB passes next year, and I wouldn't
rule out the Raven's double QB set with Kafka and Persa taking the snap.

The new Line coach is key to all of this. I wouldn't be surprised if one of
the present assistants moved over there, leaving a hole for another
assistant who specializes in that position although we really need another
Jimmy Patton/Tom Bratton clone to take over.

All IMHO of course.

rsl

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Chris and Lori Patterson
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:01 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Ingalls Leaves for Saints

I'm not sure what the season stats were on sacks and yards per carry. Can
someone report on that?

My impressions are we were better than most of the Big Ten on protecting the
quarterback.

And considering that we had a very young front line (how many red shirt
freshman?), I would say the OL did exceptionally well -- which probably why
Ingalls is off to a NFL job.

It would be nice to see these guys create some bigger holes for our running
backs next year.

Go CATS!

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:25 PM
To: jonathanwhodges@gmail.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ingalls Leaves for Saints

As a group, what have we thought of the offensive line play ?

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


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Sent: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 10:04 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Ingalls Leaves for Saints



http://myespn.go.com/blogs/bigten/0-2-1091/Northwestern-s-Ingalls-leaves-for
-Saints.html

NU OL coach Ingalls is leaving for the Saints (he's been with NU for 3
seasons, this is his first NFL coaching job).  Fitz is expected to announce
a replacement soon.

Jonathan
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan 14 08:01:26 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jan 14 07:54:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
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Ben,

You probably noticed that sports coverage is starting to drift down to the
prep and youth travel levels because those people will buy a newspaper to
read about their kid and his or her teammates.

At the World Series, we have newspaper reporters or stringers from every
team's home town, and in some cases broadcast teams on both the web and over
the air back home. I have noticed that more and more papers are contracting
with our local guys or if they are Gannett, picking up the stories from our
local papers.

What is important here is local info. People don't care about the college up
the street, they're interested in how their local HS or travel team did
yesterday.

Add that most College teams (including NU) now close practices to media 3
days a week, and you can see why we don't have a story-a-day. Even the
Daily, where the local interest includes the Wildcats, doesn't have a
football story every day during the season. The ability to cover the team
just isn't there.

I once helped build an award winning radio news department at a public
station down in Texas. Our mantra in the newsroom was that every national
story should have a local component. The show we created at 5 PM was the
daily newspaper in town, and the first producer went on the be the editor of
the local newspaper.

One more anecdote; Prior to last year, the Delaware American Legion Baseball
teams could rarely get their scores in the paper. After talking with the
local sports editor about the league, and finding out what they needed to
"drag and drop" scores into the paper, we wound up getting coverage of our
games, and their lead HS reporter at our final two days of the state tourney
with pictures in the sports section. 

The key was the local component. Gannett is cutting payrolls, but not at
their weekly papers because they are read, and are a good mailing conduit
for color flyers. The big papers, with the big name reporters who have to
cover the professional teams are finding that there just isn't as much
support for those pro teams if they don't win every day and unless they take
that antagonistic stance about the team, nobody buys the paper to read their
stuff (see Moronetty)

On the other hand, last year, I did live updates on the Legion site for the
final 2 games. We had over 1,000 hits from parents who couldn't make the
games but "watched" on the internet. Streaming video is next on the agenda
there.

So, if I'm training Journalists, I'm going to try to convince them that
their real future is in the weekly papers and local internet. Even the
Jaybird realized that.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Ben Adler
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:48 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)

You know, believe it or not, I was hoping to keep this discussion OUT of
politics...

As for some of the other issues being raised, the attention span point is a
pretty fair one.? But I do still think there are enough people who care
enough about various subjects to read (or listen to) in-depth stories.?
Meanwhile, Mike and John make good points about how we often don't research
our subjects enough before writing our stories.? Of course, making blanket
statements here is dangerous, but you can usually tell when a reporter has
done his/her research and when they haven't.

Medill does have some non-journalism class requirements, but they're not all
that significant: only one economics class, for example.? That's an area I
wish I had learned more about in college.? Of course, my parents still?think
all I got at Medill was a "trade school" education.

But what makes this "economics/market of journalism" discussion relevant to
this list?? How about the ever-shrinking Northwestern sports coverage in the
Trib, Sun-Times and elsewhere?

Just a handful of years ago, NU football had stories in the Trib and ST
almost daily during the season.? Now they get 1-2 a week, plus a blurb or
two if we're lucky.? And the reporters have higher priorities elsewhere, so
they don't have time to build sources or learn the team.? Their stories get
more and more superficial every year.

That's how this affects us.? And that's why we should care.

-- Ben



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From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:14:00 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)

<Here's the bottom line: There will always be a market for solid, hard,
investigative news - the kind currently offered by the NYT, WashPost, WSJ,
NPR, etc. <The question is, how will we want to consume it?

Would that the NYT, NPR, etc. actually did investigative news instead of
pumping out liberal propaganda.? No one has noted that is part of the reason
for many newspapers' failures.? Too many are simply dishonest and slanted.
Sometimes I think I'm reading Civil War-era newspapers when they? didn't
apologize for supporting one party or the other.

One other reason:? The world is losing its attention span.? Fewer and fewer
want to take the time to read in-depth reports.? Allow me one other
observation:? I don't believe there are many journalists who are all that
knowledgeable. 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 14 08:04:33 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jan 14 08:04:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: The Media (was: CFB Postseason...Survey Says...)
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> > A cheap shot, but we'll move on for now.:)
> 
> No cheap shot.  If the discussion is the demise of the
> newspaper industry, liberal bias is a factor.  The
> difference between news and op-ed has blurred, and the
> overwhelming slant is left.

Well, a cheap shot to start something ... but also a common misperception. Newspapers were actually far more slanted during their past partisan days where they would openly be aligned with a party or philosophy.

And like I said, it doesn't really matter what the reporters are - stories are selected by higher-ups, and most newspapers today are owned by large corporations who, if anything, show a right-leaning tendency to the press.

> In the course of publishing two books on the Civil War, I
> have been interviewed by newspapers several times by a
> variety of journalists.  In every case, it was clear within

It all depends on the person and paper, obviously. But I stand by the broad background journalists need to have (and used to get at Medill - dunno about the new marketing-based approach there yet and how it translates to out-of-Medill requirements).

In my first job in Michigan (before Google was widespread), we got calls one night at the copy desk for naming all the Supreme Court justices and settling a debate between friends on who had more rushing yards - Emmitt Smith or Barry Sanders.

Not sure how many in the general public could get those off the top of their head, but 2/3 of the copy desk that night had the answer.:)

It would be nice if the "Medill F" (for name accuracy) still applied, but with the emphasis on being first instead of being accurate, that has indeed fallen by the wayside (not to mention staff cuts of copy editors).

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Jan 14 08:11:51 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 14 08:12:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
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Keeping this apolitical - I have found that most of the in-depth reporting that?I happen across is found in magazines, not newspapers.? I realize that magazines charge more than 50 cents,?but it is refreshing and informative?to read 6-8 page articles on a day in rural Afghanistan, or a clinic in Somalia, whatever your political bent.

It seems that when I was younger, the Chicago Tribune had more stories like these, now they don't seem to anymore.? I know that foreign (and even domestic) bureaus have been slashed by the papers, and this has to have contributed to the lack of in-depth reporting.

Having said that, newspaper coverage of our sports, particularly college football and basketball, is better than what we get locally on TV?(mainly pro oriented), and better than?what ESPN tries to feed us.? The luxury of a beat writer like Jim O'Donnell or Len Ziehm hanging around practice is a great thing to have - I hope it somehow survives into whatever replaces newspapers.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85?

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I wasn't talking about politics but media bias. I'm a long way from the first to say it.?
?
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> Ah yes, the liberal media, responsible for losing both those pesky WMDs, > and?
> Osama, causing that big mess down in New Orleans, and ruining our > financial?
> system. Thank god for Bush/Cheney "mission accomplished"?
>?
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> In a message dated 1/13/2009 5:14:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,?
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>?
> Would that the NYT, NPR, etc. actually did investigative news instead of?
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Wed Jan 14 09:01:06 2009
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 14 09:01:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
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Back when everyone bought a newspaper, there were many  voices in the press. 

In New York City in the 60's there were a pretty  balanced pack - the Trib 
was middle of the road, The Daily News (owned by the  Pattersons) was fairly 
conservative republican in its outlook, Newsday was the  Daily News of Long 
Island, and the NY Times was more likely read by "progressive  Democrats" maybe 
even "Liberals" in its outlook, but there were the other papers  to balance it 
off.  


When I was a small boy in Washington DC there were five newspapers that I  
recall: The Washington Post, The Evening Star, The Daily News, The Washington  
Herald, and The Washington Times, (no relation to the  current Washington 
Times.) 
Is anyone, other then John and myself, old enough to remember the annual  
game between the College All Stars and the championship team of the NFL held  
annually at Soldiers Field, Chicago and sponsored by the Chicago Tribune?
Don Williams
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jan 14 09:41:01 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 14 09:41:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
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In a message dated 1/14/2009 7:01:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, AJWDBW@aol.com 
writes:

> Is anyone, other then John and myself, old enough to remember the annual  
> game between the College All Stars and the championship team of the NFL held 
>  
> annually at Soldiers Field, Chicago and sponsored by the Chicago Tribune?
> Don Williams
> C55
> 

WelI I do !--  I think it ended in 1976  prior to my sophomore year at NU--It 
was rare that the All Stars won, but it did happen ,I  believe, occasionally

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Jan 14 09:58:08 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed Jan 14 09:58:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
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Don wrote <snip>
Is anyone, other then John and myself, old enough to remember the annual
game between the College All Stars and the championship team of the NFL
held annually at Soldiers Field, Chicago and sponsored by the Chicago
Tribune?
 
==================
 
Yes, I remember that game too.  I thought it was a lot of fun for the
fans.
 
I think they ended up suspending it because players were getting hurt in
what was supposed to be an exhibition game.  Also it became less
important as a showcase for potential NFL players as the league
developed their own "combined" method of evaluating college players.
 
Jeff
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jan 14 10:07:17 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Jan 14 10:07:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
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> Is anyone, other then John and myself, old enough to remember the annual
> game between the College All Stars and the championship team of the NFL 
> held
> annually at Soldiers Field, Chicago and sponsored by the Chicago Tribune?
> Don Williams
> C55

Yes, I am.  Jerry Kramer described how the Packers entered the game not 
caring less who won and promptly lost, the only such loss the pros ever had 
against the college all-stars.  Needless to say, Lombardi went ballistic. 

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Wed Jan 14 10:13:26 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Jan 14 10:13:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
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I remember the last game waa called off in the third quarter because it was being played in what could have been passed off as a  monsoon.  You're right those games were a lot of fun.  I think that the pros in that era probably had more fun too,  But then the money wasn't what it is today.

John DeGroat.
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> Don wrote <snip>
> Is anyone, other then John and myself, old enough to remember the annual
> game between the College All Stars and the championship team of the NFL
> held annually at Soldiers Field, Chicago and sponsored by the Chicago
> Tribune?
>  
> ==================
>  
> Yes, I remember that game too.  I thought it was a lot of fun for the
> fans.
>  
> I think they ended up suspending it because players were getting hurt in
> what was supposed to be an exhibition game.  Also it became less
> important as a showcase for potential NFL players as the league
> developed their own "combined" method of evaluating college players.
>  
> Jeff
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Jan 14 10:17:20 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Jan 14 10:17:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
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Oh what the heck, NU basketball is boring (as usual) and there's a limit 
to how much prognostication about the 2009 football season we can make 
at this point.  (National Signing Day is only a few weeks away, though.)

I got the impression back in my days at NU (67-72) that Medill students 
had to take 'background' courses in other areas so that they had some
inkling of what it was they were writing about.  If that is no longer
the case, I'm concerned.

Jay Leno never seems to run out of people to interview on the street 
whose knowledge of either history or current events is dwarfed by that of 
the nearest tree stump.  

BTW, I could only come up with six of the nine justices on the Supreme
Court.   (I blanked on Souter, Breyer and Alito)

> Back when everyone bought a newspaper, there were many  voices in the press. 

There are still varied voices out there, they just aren't all in print, 
which is not surprising because print is no longer the dominant medium,
having been supplanted by radio, then by TV, and now by the Internet,
though the line between TV and the Internet gets blurrier every day.

I think my older son treats both Comedy Central and the Food Network as 
news channels.  I won't be surprised if Jon Stewart wins a Pulitzer for 
his coverage of the election.  (Hell, he may even deserve it.)  

Fox News seems to have a very conservative right-wing orientation 
(so much so that it is a target for satire), and of course talk 
radio is largely dominated by Rush and his conservative brethren.  
(Actually, I think too many 'conservatives' give 'conservatism' a
bad name these days.) 

On PBS you have the McLaughlin Group, where the panel is almost always
a bit right of center, some of them a bit right of Attilla the Hun.
Then you have the (usually) token left-winger, Eleanor, who I think is 
still wearing widows weeds over the death of the Hillary Clinton candidacy. 
(I miss Jack Germond and Freddie 'the Beetle' Barnes as panelists, though.)

Doonesbury certainly had no love lost for the Bush administration, it'll
be interesting to see how Obama fares there. 

In the Internet you have the Drudge Report.  I actually heard someone
compare Matt Drudge to Drew Pearson, which IMHO is like comparing Tiny
Tim to Frank Sinatra.  

Hollywood may be the biggest player of them all, as well as the sneakiest
in terms of their way of slanting things.  I noticed the Golden Globes 
falling all over HBO for their docudrama "Recount".  I know someone 
who sat in on many of the official meetings on the 2000 election in 
Florida, he tells a somewhat different picture about them than either 
the left or right-wing media did.

The voices are there, and people still tend to drift to the voices they 
prefer to hear.   
--
Mike Nolan

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Wed Jan 14 10:24:24 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Jan 14 10:24:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: The Media (was: CFB Postseason...Survey Says...)
Message-ID: <011420091624.3693.496E11B80007ACEC00000E6D2216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

I recall (I think) that there was a flap at Medill because someone there wanted to put more focus on the electronic media I can't remember what the result was of that, but then I can't remember what I had for lunch. 

John DeGroat
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> > > A cheap shot, but we'll move on for now.:)
> > 
> > No cheap shot.  If the discussion is the demise of the
> > newspaper industry, liberal bias is a factor.  The
> > difference between news and op-ed has blurred, and the
> > overwhelming slant is left.
> 
> Well, a cheap shot to start something ... but also a common misperception. 
> Newspapers were actually far more slanted during their past partisan days where 
> they would openly be aligned with a party or philosophy.
> 
> And like I said, it doesn't really matter what the reporters are - stories are 
> selected by higher-ups, and most newspapers today are owned by large 
> corporations who, if anything, show a right-leaning tendency to the press.
> 
> > In the course of publishing two books on the Civil War, I
> > have been interviewed by newspapers several times by a
> > variety of journalists.  In every case, it was clear within
> 
> It all depends on the person and paper, obviously. But I stand by the broad 
> background journalists need to have (and used to get at Medill - dunno about the 
> new marketing-based approach there yet and how it translates to out-of-Medill 
> requirements).
> 
> In my first job in Michigan (before Google was widespread), we got calls one 
> night at the copy desk for naming all the Supreme Court justices and settling a 
> debate between friends on who had more rushing yards - Emmitt Smith or Barry 
> Sanders.
> 
> Not sure how many in the general public could get those off the top of their 
> head, but 2/3 of the copy desk that night had the answer.:)
> 
> It would be nice if the "Medill F" (for name accuracy) still applied, but with 
> the emphasis on being first instead of being accurate, that has indeed fallen by 
> the wayside (not to mention staff cuts of copy editors).
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
> 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Jan 14 10:29:11 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Jan 14 10:29:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... 
Message-ID: <200901141629.n0EGTBsf026656@romaine.tssi.com>

> WelI I do !--  I think it ended in 1976  prior to my sophomore year at NU--It 
> was rare that the All Stars won, but it did happen ,I  believe, occasionally

Yes, the last game was in 1976 and was halted midway through the 3rd 
quarter when a huge thunderstorm blew through.  The game was struggling 
anyway due to pro teams becoming increasingly reluctant to let their 
highly paid rookies play, both because of the risk of injury and because 
it meant they were not in training camp.

The All-Stars won nine games (the last of those in 1963), two ended in 
a tie (1934 and 1936), and the NFL won 31 of them.

Most of the games were played at Soldiers Field, but a few were played
at Dyche, I'm not sure which ones.
--
Mike Nolan

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Wed Jan 14 10:32:31 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Jan 14 10:32:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
Message-ID: <011420091632.21178.496E139E000CD57E000052BA2216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Roy makes a good point.  The Harrisburg, PA paper has a separate sports section heavy on high school sports that allows one to grab that and ignore the inconsequential stores that appear above the fold in the front page.  If Russia invaded China that might make page A-12.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> Ben,
> 
> You probably noticed that sports coverage is starting to drift down to the
> prep and youth travel levels because those people will buy a newspaper to
> read about their kid and his or her teammates.
> 
> At the World Series, we have newspaper reporters or stringers from every
> team's home town, and in some cases broadcast teams on both the web and over
> the air back home. I have noticed that more and more papers are contracting
> with our local guys or if they are Gannett, picking up the stories from our
> local papers.
> 
> What is important here is local info. People don't care about the college up
> the street, they're interested in how their local HS or travel team did
> yesterday.
> 
> Add that most College teams (including NU) now close practices to media 3
> days a week, and you can see why we don't have a story-a-day. Even the
> Daily, where the local interest includes the Wildcats, doesn't have a
> football story every day during the season. The ability to cover the team
> just isn't there.
> 
> I once helped build an award winning radio news department at a public
> station down in Texas. Our mantra in the newsroom was that every national
> story should have a local component. The show we created at 5 PM was the
> daily newspaper in town, and the first producer went on the be the editor of
> the local newspaper.
> 
> One more anecdote; Prior to last year, the Delaware American Legion Baseball
> teams could rarely get their scores in the paper. After talking with the
> local sports editor about the league, and finding out what they needed to
> "drag and drop" scores into the paper, we wound up getting coverage of our
> games, and their lead HS reporter at our final two days of the state tourney
> with pictures in the sports section. 
> 
> The key was the local component. Gannett is cutting payrolls, but not at
> their weekly papers because they are read, and are a good mailing conduit
> for color flyers. The big papers, with the big name reporters who have to
> cover the professional teams are finding that there just isn't as much
> support for those pro teams if they don't win every day and unless they take
> that antagonistic stance about the team, nobody buys the paper to read their
> stuff (see Moronetty)
> 
> On the other hand, last year, I did live updates on the Legion site for the
> final 2 games. We had over 1,000 hits from parents who couldn't make the
> games but "watched" on the internet. Streaming video is next on the agenda
> there.
> 
> So, if I'm training Journalists, I'm going to try to convince them that
> their real future is in the weekly papers and local internet. Even the
> Jaybird realized that.
> 
> rsl
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
> Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
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> A Few Basic Truths:
>   You cannot Legislate Morality
>   You cannot Litigate Peace
>   You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
>   Wealth transfer makes everyone poor
> Its all been tried, so why do we keep trying?
> ================================================
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Ben Adler
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 8:48 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
> 
> You know, believe it or not, I was hoping to keep this discussion OUT of
> politics...
> 
> As for some of the other issues being raised, the attention span point is a
> pretty fair one.  But I do still think there are enough people who care
> enough about various subjects to read (or listen to) in-depth stories. 
> Meanwhile, Mike and John make good points about how we often don't research
> our subjects enough before writing our stories.  Of course, making blanket
> statements here is dangerous, but you can usually tell when a reporter has
> done his/her research and when they haven't.
> 
> Medill does have some non-journalism class requirements, but they're not all
> that significant: only one economics class, for example.  That's an area I
> wish I had learned more about in college.  Of course, my parents still think
> all I got at Medill was a "trade school" education.
> 
> But what makes this "economics/market of journalism" discussion relevant to
> this list?  How about the ever-shrinking Northwestern sports coverage in the
> Trib, Sun-Times and elsewhere?
> 
> Just a handful of years ago, NU football had stories in the Trib and ST
> almost daily during the season.  Now they get 1-2 a week, plus a blurb or
> two if we're lucky.  And the reporters have higher priorities elsewhere, so
> they don't have time to build sources or learn the team.  Their stories get
> more and more superficial every year.
> 
> That's how this affects us.  And that's why we should care.
> 
> -- Ben
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 2:14:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
> 
> <Here's the bottom line: There will always be a market for solid, hard,
> investigative news - the kind currently offered by the NYT, WashPost, WSJ,
> NPR, etc. <The question is, how will we want to consume it?
> 
> Would that the NYT, NPR, etc. actually did investigative news instead of
> pumping out liberal propaganda.  No one has noted that is part of the reason
> for many newspapers' failures.  Too many are simply dishonest and slanted.
> Sometimes I think I'm reading Civil War-era newspapers when they  didn't
> apologize for supporting one party or the other.
> 
> One other reason:  The world is losing its attention span.  Fewer and fewer
> want to take the time to read in-depth reports.  Allow me one other
> observation:  I don't believe there are many journalists who are all that
> knowledgeable. 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan 14 10:42:28 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jan 14 10:35:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
In-Reply-To: <200901141617.n0EGHKeZ026587@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200901141617.n0EGHKeZ026587@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c97667$164ddb40$42e991c0$@com>

Doonsbury didn't like either Bush or Reagan for that matter. He left Bill
and Hill alone mostly, altho I stopped reading him during the GHWB's
administration.

Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it draws
listeners. The top 2, Limbaugh and Hannity have sources who send in
background material on stories that even Drudge won't run. Limbaugh is also
mostly satire, but then so is Comedy Channel's "news" stories. FWIW - I
think Limbaugh outdraws the Comedy Channel, I know he pulls in more
listeners than most of the Cable News folks.

Other Talkers: Gordon Liddy used to be interesting, but they've taken him
off around here. Mark Levin is pretty good because he knows the law as it is
practiced in the DC area. Michael Savage digs up some interesting stuff from
time to time, but has to share some of the blame or credit for turning the
House and Senate in 2006 for his "rino" hunting. 

Fox News is pretty middle of the road with some conservative commentators.
Their radio news is fairly balanced in its presentation, altho the
ABC/CBS/NBC radio guys also stick to the center because they run on such a
wide group of stations.

We have a radio station here in Delmarva who's main programmer is Dan
Gaffney, who also writes a major newsletter on talk radio. His station is a
lot of conservative talk along with many sponsored lifestyle shows.

BTW - "Lifestyle" programming is the new format style in talk radio. It is
very similar to what WGN does, creating a group of friends who do the same
kinds of things. Several of the conservative talk stations get solicited by
the Lifestyle Radio Consultants who tell them to soften their politics to
gain more audience. Those that do tend to fall down on the ratings.

All in all, the radio and internet balance out the TV and Cable folks - you
can get whatever flavor of political speech you want, all protected (I hope)
by the 1st amendment.

rsl  

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
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  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:17 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread

Oh what the heck, NU basketball is boring (as usual) and there's a limit 
to how much prognostication about the 2009 football season we can make 
at this point.  (National Signing Day is only a few weeks away, though.)

I got the impression back in my days at NU (67-72) that Medill students 
had to take 'background' courses in other areas so that they had some
inkling of what it was they were writing about.  If that is no longer
the case, I'm concerned.

Jay Leno never seems to run out of people to interview on the street 
whose knowledge of either history or current events is dwarfed by that of 
the nearest tree stump.  

BTW, I could only come up with six of the nine justices on the Supreme
Court.   (I blanked on Souter, Breyer and Alito)

> Back when everyone bought a newspaper, there were many  voices in the
press. 

There are still varied voices out there, they just aren't all in print, 
which is not surprising because print is no longer the dominant medium,
having been supplanted by radio, then by TV, and now by the Internet,
though the line between TV and the Internet gets blurrier every day.

I think my older son treats both Comedy Central and the Food Network as 
news channels.  I won't be surprised if Jon Stewart wins a Pulitzer for 
his coverage of the election.  (Hell, he may even deserve it.)  

Fox News seems to have a very conservative right-wing orientation 
(so much so that it is a target for satire), and of course talk 
radio is largely dominated by Rush and his conservative brethren.  
(Actually, I think too many 'conservatives' give 'conservatism' a
bad name these days.) 

On PBS you have the McLaughlin Group, where the panel is almost always
a bit right of center, some of them a bit right of Attilla the Hun.
Then you have the (usually) token left-winger, Eleanor, who I think is 
still wearing widows weeds over the death of the Hillary Clinton candidacy. 
(I miss Jack Germond and Freddie 'the Beetle' Barnes as panelists, though.)

Doonesbury certainly had no love lost for the Bush administration, it'll
be interesting to see how Obama fares there. 

In the Internet you have the Drudge Report.  I actually heard someone
compare Matt Drudge to Drew Pearson, which IMHO is like comparing Tiny
Tim to Frank Sinatra.  

Hollywood may be the biggest player of them all, as well as the sneakiest
in terms of their way of slanting things.  I noticed the Golden Globes 
falling all over HBO for their docudrama "Recount".  I know someone 
who sat in on many of the official meetings on the 2000 election in 
Florida, he tells a somewhat different picture about them than either 
the left or right-wing media did.

The voices are there, and people still tend to drift to the voices they 
prefer to hear.   
--
Mike Nolan

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jan 14 10:43:24 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 14 10:44:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
Message-ID: <653844808-1231951403-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-473913948-@bxe241.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Another question

Wasn't the  College All Star Game the only football game played at Soldier Field for awhile when the Bears played at wrigley ? 

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Dennis W. Brandt
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Jan 14, 2009 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)

> Is anyone, other then John and myself, old enough to remember the annual
> game between the College All Stars and the championship team of the NFL 
> held
> annually at Soldiers Field, Chicago and sponsored by the Chicago Tribune?
> Don Williams
> C55

Yes, I am.  Jerry Kramer described how the Packers entered the game not 
caring less who won and promptly lost, the only such loss the pros ever had 
against the college all-stars.  Needless to say, Lombardi went ballistic. 

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Jan 14 10:49:10 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Jan 14 10:49:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread 
Message-ID: <200901141649.n0EGnA63026818@romaine.tssi.com>

> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it draws
> listeners. 

Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or watching
it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.

I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, because 
there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  Even the local
morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except maybe 
for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM radio
at 6:30 AM!)

These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now
work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway 
show tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
--
Mike Nolan

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Wed Jan 14 10:50:52 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Jan 14 10:51:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
Message-ID: <011420091650.1333.496E17EC0004F9FA000005352216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

If you take Hannity out of the equation I find Fox News does  pretty good job of providing multiple views,  Hannity won't shut up long enough to listen to anyone even someone who agrees with his view points.  Ailes is also bringing in more and more young reporters into the programs which is smart since they have different perspectives than a cranky old guy like me. The Fox Business channel is the best business channel around in my opinion. It has financially knowledgeable people doing the news.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
> Oh what the heck, NU basketball is boring (as usual) and there's a limit 
> to how much prognostication about the 2009 football season we can make 
> at this point.  (National Signing Day is only a few weeks away, though.)
> 
> I got the impression back in my days at NU (67-72) that Medill students 
> had to take 'background' courses in other areas so that they had some
> inkling of what it was they were writing about.  If that is no longer
> the case, I'm concerned.
> 
> Jay Leno never seems to run out of people to interview on the street 
> whose knowledge of either history or current events is dwarfed by that of 
> the nearest tree stump.  
> 
> BTW, I could only come up with six of the nine justices on the Supreme
> Court.   (I blanked on Souter, Breyer and Alito)
> 
> > Back when everyone bought a newspaper, there were many  voices in the press. 
> 
> There are still varied voices out there, they just aren't all in print, 
> which is not surprising because print is no longer the dominant medium,
> having been supplanted by radio, then by TV, and now by the Internet,
> though the line between TV and the Internet gets blurrier every day.
> 
> I think my older son treats both Comedy Central and the Food Network as 
> news channels.  I won't be surprised if Jon Stewart wins a Pulitzer for 
> his coverage of the election.  (Hell, he may even deserve it.)  
> 
> Fox News seems to have a very conservative right-wing orientation 
> (so much so that it is a target for satire), and of course talk 
> radio is largely dominated by Rush and his conservative brethren.  
> (Actually, I think too many 'conservatives' give 'conservatism' a
> bad name these days.) 
> 
> On PBS you have the McLaughlin Group, where the panel is almost always
> a bit right of center, some of them a bit right of Attilla the Hun.
> Then you have the (usually) token left-winger, Eleanor, who I think is 
> still wearing widows weeds over the death of the Hillary Clinton candidacy. 
> (I miss Jack Germond and Freddie 'the Beetle' Barnes as panelists, though.)
> 
> Doonesbury certainly had no love lost for the Bush administration, it'll
> be interesting to see how Obama fares there. 
> 
> In the Internet you have the Drudge Report.  I actually heard someone
> compare Matt Drudge to Drew Pearson, which IMHO is like comparing Tiny
> Tim to Frank Sinatra.  
> 
> Hollywood may be the biggest player of them all, as well as the sneakiest
> in terms of their way of slanting things.  I noticed the Golden Globes 
> falling all over HBO for their docudrama "Recount".  I know someone 
> who sat in on many of the official meetings on the 2000 election in 
> Florida, he tells a somewhat different picture about them than either 
> the left or right-wing media did.
> 
> The voices are there, and people still tend to drift to the voices they 
> prefer to hear.   
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Wed Jan 14 11:02:41 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Jan 14 11:02:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] media "bias", then back to FB
Message-ID: <011420091702.25761.496E1AB1000757BC000064A12216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

I was a history minor at NU and that department had giants teaching there.  I kept in touch with Dr. Leopold up until his death.  He too lamented what was happening with respect to teaching history.  Ray Billington wasanother terrific professor who had started off as a reporter for the Detroit Free Press.  The PC police would have run bothof these people off the campus given the opportunty  It is a cinch that neither Leopold or Billington would have been given tenure let alone hired in  today's environment. Dr. Leopold was the person who saved NROTC at NU when the PC police wanted to kick if off the campus. 

John DeGroat  
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146@yahoo.com>
> FWIW the newsroom at the paper I work at (suburban Philadelphia) was 70 percent 
> for McCain, easily. 
> 
> Also, Dennis, ANYONE's grasp of history these days (and I speak as one with 
> graduate work in U.S. history), not just journalists', is pathetic. History as 
> you and I know it is often not taught any longer; "social studies" has taken its 
> place or itâ€™s been severely cut back due to â€œNo Child Left Behindâ€� 
> math/reading focus.
> 
> At my high school (private, college prep) several veteran history teachers 
> resigned or retired when â€œsocial studiesâ€� was brought in to replace history 
> (that happened several years after I graduated, thank goodness!).
> 
> But back to FB and the offensive line. Since the version of the spread NU uses 
> emphasizes quick-hit passes and short passes (too much so, I know, for many of 
> us; look what happened when CJ went downfield in the Alamo Bowl) I think any 
> effective NU QB will have a â€œquick releaseâ€�.
> 
> What I worry about is the QB developing confidence in a relatively untested 
> bunch of receivers. You donâ€™t â€œreleaseâ€� the ball unless you think they 
> will catch it. 
> 
> Also, the key to avoiding sacks, other than the OL doing its job well, is a QB 
> developing that â€œinstinctâ€� of when the heat is coming and thus getting rid 
> of the ball. Some QBs have this (Dan Marino, Brett Basanez); others much less so 
> (Neil Oâ€™Donnell, Vinny Testaverde). I am not sure it can be taught. 
> 
> bw
> 
> Happy are those who see beauty in the modest spots where others see nothing." -- 
> Camille Pissaro
> 
> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Jan 14 11:04:48 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 14 11:05:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
Message-ID: <c7f.20339432.369f7530@aol.com>

I remember it well.
 
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Jan 14 11:23:13 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 14 11:23:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
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Well, there were some college games and the annual Chicago Prep Bowl (Catholic league vs Public League)

1929 ND-USC estimated at 112,000
1937 Prep Bowl Leo vs Austin estimated at 120,000

We played a few games there as well, before the Bears showed up

There is also the police estimate (kind of hard to believe) of 260,000 for a mass during the Marian Year celebration in 1954.? I remember a police estimate of 1 million for John Paul 2's mass in Grant Park, but many people after that event measured the dimensions of the park (and the dimensions of a person) and said it wasn't possible.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch@aol.com
To: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 10:43 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)



Another question

Wasn't the  College All Star Game the only football game played at Soldier Field 
for awhile when the Bears played at wrigley ? 

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Dennis W. Brandt
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Jan 14, 2009 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)

> Is anyone, other then John and myself, old enough to remember the annual
> game between the College All Stars and the championship team of the NFL 
> held
> annually at Soldiers Field, Chicago and sponsored by the Chicago Tribune?
> Don Williams
> C55

Yes, I am.  Jerry Kramer described how the Packers entered the game not 
caring less who won and promptly lost, the only such loss the pros ever had 
against the college all-stars.  Needless to say, Lombardi went ballistic. 

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jan 14 11:25:06 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 14 11:25:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
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In a message dated 1/14/2009 9:23:29 AM Pacific Standard Time, CHerron604 
writes:

>  I remember a police estimate of 1 million for John Paul 2's mass in Grant 
> Park, b

I was there in 1979 and yes that figure had to be wildly inflated

Harry


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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Jan 14 11:25:47 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Jan 14 11:26:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: The Media (was: CFB Postseason...Survey Says...)
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The current dean, who began work there a few years ago, shifted the focus of
the entire school more towards electronic media, to the dismay of many
traditional media stalwarts.

There was also a flap with the dean when he potentially fabricated a quote
from a student in a newsletter article which prompted a ton of debate (I
don't know if it was ever proven if he did or not - he claimed it was in his
notes which he threw away while the students that were in the class where
the quote originated claim they never made such statements).

Jonathan

On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 10:24 AM, <johnadeg@comcast.net> wrote:

> I recall (I think) that there was a flap at Medill because someone there
> wanted to put more focus on the electronic media I can't remember what the
> result was of that, but then I can't remember what I had for lunch.
>
> John DeGroat
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> > > > A cheap shot, but we'll move on for now.:)
> > >
> > > No cheap shot.  If the discussion is the demise of the
> > > newspaper industry, liberal bias is a factor.  The
> > > difference between news and op-ed has blurred, and the
> > > overwhelming slant is left.
> >
> > Well, a cheap shot to start something ... but also a common
> misperception.
> > Newspapers were actually far more slanted during their past partisan days
> where
> > they would openly be aligned with a party or philosophy.
> >
> > And like I said, it doesn't really matter what the reporters are -
> stories are
> > selected by higher-ups, and most newspapers today are owned by large
> > corporations who, if anything, show a right-leaning tendency to the
> press.
> >
> > > In the course of publishing two books on the Civil War, I
> > > have been interviewed by newspapers several times by a
> > > variety of journalists.  In every case, it was clear within
> >
> > It all depends on the person and paper, obviously. But I stand by the
> broad
> > background journalists need to have (and used to get at Medill - dunno
> about the
> > new marketing-based approach there yet and how it translates to
> out-of-Medill
> > requirements).
> >
> > In my first job in Michigan (before Google was widespread), we got calls
> one
> > night at the copy desk for naming all the Supreme Court justices and
> settling a
> > debate between friends on who had more rushing yards - Emmitt Smith or
> Barry
> > Sanders.
> >
> > Not sure how many in the general public could get those off the top of
> their
> > head, but 2/3 of the copy desk that night had the answer.:)
> >
> > It would be nice if the "Medill F" (for name accuracy) still applied, but
> with
> > the emphasis on being first instead of being accurate, that has indeed
> fallen by
> > the wayside (not to mention staff cuts of copy editors).
> >
> > GO CATS!!!
> > -SjT
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Wed Jan 14 13:01:23 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Wed Jan 14 13:04:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
Message-ID: <20090114.130123.18331.0@webmail18.dca.untd.com>

I like Dennis Miller and Michael Medved on the conservative side.

I don't like the angry conservatives, which Rush can be and angry definitely describes Savage.

As for newspaper I only subscribe to a weekly townie paper now(Lake Zurich Courier which is part of the Sun-Times).  Only news involving the nearby towns is covered.  Everything else the internet does a better job.

-- "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
Doonsbury didn't like either Bush or Reagan for that matter. He left Bill
and Hill alone mostly, altho I stopped reading him during the GHWB's
administration.

Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it draws
listeners. The top 2, Limbaugh and Hannity have sources who send in
background material on stories that even Drudge won't run. Limbaugh is also
mostly satire, but then so is Comedy Channel's "news" stories. FWIW - I
think Limbaugh outdraws the Comedy Channel, I know he pulls in more
listeners than most of the Cable News folks.

Other Talkers: Gordon Liddy used to be interesting, but they've taken him
off around here. Mark Levin is pretty good because he knows the law as it is
practiced in the DC area. Michael Savage digs up some interesting stuff from
time to time, but has to share some of the blame or credit for turning the
House and Senate in 2006 for his "rino" hunting. 

Fox News is pretty middle of the road with some conservative commentators.
Their radio news is fairly balanced in its presentation, altho the
ABC/CBS/NBC radio guys also stick to the center because they run on such a
wide group of stations.

We have a radio station here in Delmarva who's main programmer is Dan
Gaffney, who also writes a major newsletter on talk radio. His station is a
lot of conservative talk along with many sponsored lifestyle shows.

BTW - "Lifestyle" programming is the new format style in talk radio. It is
very similar to what WGN does, creating a group of friends who do the same
kinds of things. Several of the conservative talk stations get solicited by
the Lifestyle Radio Consultants who tell them to soften their politics to
gain more audience. Those that do tend to fall down on the ratings.

All in all, the radio and internet balance out the TV and Cable folks - you
can get whatever flavor of political speech you want, all protected (I hope)
by the 1st amendment.

rsl  

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 11:17 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread

Oh what the heck, NU basketball is boring (as usual) and there's a limit 
to how much prognostication about the 2009 football season we can make 
at this point.  (National Signing Day is only a few weeks away, though.)

I got the impression back in my days at NU (67-72) that Medill students 
had to take 'background' courses in other areas so that they had some
inkling of what it was they were writing about.  If that is no longer
the case, I'm concerned.

Jay Leno never seems to run out of people to interview on the street 
whose knowledge of either history or current events is dwarfed by that of 
the nearest tree stump.  

BTW, I could only come up with six of the nine justices on the Supreme
Court.   (I blanked on Souter, Breyer and Alito)

> Back when everyone bought a newspaper, there were many  voices in the
press. 

There are still varied voices out there, they just aren't all in print, 
which is not surprising because print is no longer the dominant medium,
having been supplanted by radio, then by TV, and now by the Internet,
though the line between TV and the Internet gets blurrier every day.

I think my older son treats both Comedy Central and the Food Network as 
news channels.  I won't be surprised if Jon Stewart wins a Pulitzer for 
his coverage of the election.  (Hell, he may even deserve it.)  

Fox News seems to have a very conservative right-wing orientation 
(so much so that it is a target for satire), and of course talk 
radio is largely dominated by Rush and his conservative brethren.  
(Actually, I think too many 'conservatives' give 'conservatism' a
bad name these days.) 

On PBS you have the McLaughlin Group, where the panel is almost always
a bit right of center, some of them a bit right of Attilla the Hun.
Then you have the (usually) token left-winger, Eleanor, who I think is 
still wearing widows weeds over the death of the Hillary Clinton candidacy. 
(I miss Jack Germond and Freddie 'the Beetle' Barnes as panelists, though.)

Doonesbury certainly had no love lost for the Bush administration, it'll
be interesting to see how Obama fares there. 

In the Internet you have the Drudge Report.  I actually heard someone
compare Matt Drudge to Drew Pearson, which IMHO is like comparing Tiny
Tim to Frank Sinatra.  

Hollywood may be the biggest player of them all, as well as the sneakiest
in terms of their way of slanting things.  I noticed the Golden Globes 
falling all over HBO for their docudrama "Recount".  I know someone 
who sat in on many of the official meetings on the 2000 election in 
Florida, he tells a somewhat different picture about them than either 
the left or right-wing media did.

The voices are there, and people still tend to drift to the voices they 
prefer to hear.   
--
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Wed Jan 14 21:13:56 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 14 21:14:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)
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?? I'm ready to climb out of my hole after the Alamo Bowl loss.? My only post since the Alamo Bowl has been a comment or two about watching NU at State Penn on 12/31/08.? I'm hoping with MSU and at Wisky out of the way, we can get untracked.? Not holding my breath.
?? Like many who pointed out, I'm not sure why McCall insisted on running on nearly every first down. Every time it was 2nd down, it was 2nd and 8 or 2nd and 9.? A shame, as I thought the play calling was solid on 2nd and 3rd down.? The kicking hurt (understatement) ;? not sure about that 47 yard attempt as we were kicking Mizzou's ass in the 2nd Q.? 
?? We played like champs, but we were the 2nd best team.? Still, 2008 finished as well as any one on our purple-hazed list predicted.? Except for Jim B., who calls for a 12-0 season every year (I want to party with you, Cowboy)?, most of us saw between 6-6 and a few saw 10-2, but not too many.? I predicted 9-3, as a softer schedule with veterans at our skill positions pointed towards a good year.? I saw a win vs. Indiana, and a loss vs. Purdue.? 
?? As usual, surprises manifest themselves AS THE SEASON PLays out.? Who knew that Michigan would be lousy and Illinois would be mediocre?? I expected both to be of the 8-4 genre, not under .500.? Or Purdue would be lousy?? 
?? BCS: I knew our conference was in trouble when Oregon St. lost to Oregon.? We didn't deserve (2) BCS teams this season, but with the 5th BCS game, that's what happened.? Call me nuts, but a 3rd team from the Big 12 should have been invited (I know, against the rules; still not right), or Boise St. , TCU, or Brigham Young.? The Mountain West was as good or better than the PAC 10, Big East, and maybe ...gasp...the Big 10.??Another?reason to loathe OSU: either Ohio St. or Oregon St.
? Anyway,? we would have fared much better if we all would have been dropped down a rung, and Penn St. play Oregon St. in Pascedena.? All internet BS, but consider these match-ups:
? Rose:? Penn St. vs. Oregon St.? PSU hammered 'em in State College; a bit closer in Pascedena; still a PSU win.
? Capital: Ohio St. vs. Georgia.? Toss-up.
? Outback: Michigan St. vs. South Car. : Spartans roll as did Hawks.
? Alamo:?Iowas vs. Mizzou: toss-up.
? Champs: NU vs. FSU: home field advantage for "noles, but we would've been prepared and motivated, unlike Wisky, which was neither.: a toss-up
? Insight:? Wisky vs. Kansas:? Wisconsin: you are a bunch of charlatans:? loss for Big 10.
? Motor City:? Minnesota vs. Cent. Mich.: The last few games of 2008 got between Minny's ears.? Still, a toss-up vs. a MAC team rather than a well-coached, Todd Reesing-lead Kansas team.

? So using the scenario I described, We win (2) games, lose (1) game, and there are (4) toss-ups.? Chances are we would have bested our collective 1-6 bowl record, but thats not saying much, is it?
?? This/that:? has any one seen our 2010 non-conference schedule?? zzzzzz??Our home games:?Illinois St. , and Rice...in November!? 
?? 2009:? I plan on attending the game at Syracuse on Sept. 19,? but I'd love to take a road trip to Evanston with my State Penn buddies when NU tears up the Nits.? I have champagne tastes and a beer wallet. We'll see...

????????? GO CATS!!!???????? Eric


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Sent: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 2:09 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] CFB Postseason...Survey Says... (fwd)



> And newspapers need all the help they can get.

I have my doubts that the newspaper industry will survive in anything
resembling its current form for more than the next few years.  The
papers are even helping to write their own death warrants by putting
up websites, though failure to do so might be even worse.  (Newspaper 
websites will never draw in the level of local advertising dollars that 
printed papers got.  The use of the past tense was intentional.)  

The Seattle Post-Intelligencer is up for sale, if they don't find a
buyer in 90 days it's probably toast.  The Minneapolis Star-Tribune is 
also looking at going online-only.  The days when there are two large
daily papers in Chicago are likely numbered, too.  I would not want to
be a senior at Medill (or any other college) right now, the job market 
has to be brutal.  

The newspapers won't get a 700 billion dollar bailout from Washington, 
either, at least not unless they've hired Wesley Mouch as their spokesman.

TV rules the polls, playoff and national championship picture these days,
the AP having declared itself irrelevant.

In many ways the basic purpose hasn't changed, it's still all designed 
to attract viewers (aka readers) and sell ads.  
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 15 12:09:37 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan 15 12:02:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] On News Coverage of Sports
Message-ID: <000001c9773c$6d5e9cf0$481bd6d0$@com>

Changed the Subject line... but I think maybe a new thread is called for.

FWIW - the Wilmington News Journal just redesigned their paper, and put a
High School scoreboard on Page 2, upper left.

They still have their full page of game results, but less pro sports and a
more local approach. They do cover University of Delaware very well, and
keep an eye on Delaware State, altho it seems to be negative more than
positive on DSU.

Not sure what they'll print now - but we get the "downstate" edition.

rsl

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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan 15 20:25:49 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan 15 20:25:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Was there ever a doubt . . .
Message-ID: <8871928386EF43B496005C2FC6DBBD71@DennisMachine>

. . . that we would lose to Purdue?  Not in my mind.  I've seen it so often it hurts to say how often.  In the second half, we missed a one-and-one and the back half of six two-shot fouls, leaving eight points untallyed.  No moral victory here whatever.  We played nearly our best game and Purdue almost their worst, and we still lost.  Athletic talent is what the other team always has.
From johnadeg at comcast.net  Thu Jan 15 20:35:53 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Jan 15 20:36:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Was there ever a doubt . . .
Message-ID: <011620090235.26346.496FF289000EB454000066EA2214756402090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

The loss to Purdue tonight should have sealed Carmody's fate.  If Philips wants to find out fast how much authority he has and will have, he should can Carmody by Monday and appoint one of the assistant coaches as his temporary replacement.Tonight's game was a repeat of nearly eight years of failure,

The other coaches  in the Big Ten rave about wha ta great coach Carmody is, but I suspect that they see NU as two sure wins each year as long as he is NU's coach.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> . . . that we would lose to Purdue?  Not in my mind.  I've seen it so often it 
> hurts to say how often.  In the second half, we missed a one-and-one and the 
> back half of six two-shot fouls, leaving eight points untallyed.  No moral 
> victory here whatever.  We played nearly our best game and Purdue almost their 
> worst, and we still lost.  Athletic talent is what the other team always has.
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 15 20:36:26 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu Jan 15 20:36:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] can we bring the political discussion back ...
Message-ID: <275184.63530.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


... so we don't have to mention basketball.

Same old story, depressing, dismal, etc. That's 3 leads at the half of BT games ... and an 0-4 record. This team will be lucky to win 2 BT games, at least one of which they will win on freakily good 3-point shooting one night, which will raise hopes slightly and then NU will lose 76-45 the next time out when the shooters cool off.

There's just zero mental toughness around NU hoops. The '93-'94 NU team had some - remember that wacko win against red-hot Michigan at WR? -- and that's about the last time I can remember any. When adversity hits hoops, they fold. 

Compare to football's great comebacks over the last decade-plus to see what mental toughness is all about. It's not about, for example, missing layups on 3-on-1 fast breaks, blowing assignments to leave 3-point shooters wide open and making 1 of 2 free throws SIX STRAIGHT TIMES in the second half (plus blown one-and-one). 

I won't even mention rebounding since nobody must at NU practices. I can live with no getting offensive rebounds, but you can't give teams like Perdoo second shots all the time.

If this is what hoops looks like after a great recruiting class, I hate to see what will happen after a bad one.

Looks like 60 straight years without an NCAA bid. 
bw
 
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan 15 20:53:38 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Jan 15 20:53:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Was there ever a doubt . . .
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE02EDF235@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

If we play our game, which we did, the other guys are always going to look bad. 

What's frustrating is our inability to finish. 

BC did get these guys playing better. Now they have to believe enough in each other to play with confidence all the way to the end.  The biggest example of that to me was the 3 on 1 break at the end where we didn't score because we didn't pass. 

Jeff



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Subject: [NU Sports] Was there ever a doubt . . .

. . . that we would lose to Purdue?  Not in my mind.  I've seen it so often it hurts to say how often.  In the second half, we missed a one-and-one and the back half of six two-shot fouls, leaving eight points untallyed.  No moral victory here whatever.  We played nearly our best game and Purdue almost their worst, and we still lost.  Athletic talent is what the other team always has.

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From michael.vance at att.net  Thu Jan 15 22:31:06 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Thu Jan 15 22:31:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
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One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still 
spent a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio 
stations.  You could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic 
and weather on the 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55, 
national network news at the top of the hour, and mix of local and 
national highlights at the bottom.  It was almost like comfort food when 
driving back to Chicago from Michigan, and was especially frustrating 
when they have carried various sports teams over the years and that 
disrupts the traffic report schedule.  But I think that even those have 
changed some just in the six years that I've been in Indianapolis.  I 
don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough when I'm back up in Chicago 
(my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put my finger on it though.

-Michael

Mike Nolan wrote:
>> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it draws
>> listeners. 
>>     
>
> Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or watching
> it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.
>
> I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, because 
> there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  Even the local
> morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except maybe 
> for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM radio
> at 6:30 AM!)
>
> These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now
> work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway 
> show tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
> --
> Mike Nolan
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Thu Jan 15 23:09:49 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Thu Jan 15 23:10:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
In-Reply-To: <49700D8A.5000405@att.net>
References: <200901141649.n0EGnA63026818@romaine.tssi.com>
	<49700D8A.5000405@att.net>
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KCBS in San Francisco is exactly the same format as you described for WBBM
and the Detroit station. I wonder how many of these CBS newsradio stations
city-to-city are so identical?

I'm with your wife on missing WXRT. It's been 24 years!! Is it still as good
as it was in 1985?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Michael Vance <michael.vance@att.net>wrote:

> One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still spent
> a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio stations.  You
> could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic and weather on the
> 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55, national network news
> at the top of the hour, and mix of local and national highlights at the
> bottom.  It was almost like comfort food when driving back to Chicago from
> Michigan, and was especially frustrating when they have carried various
> sports teams over the years and that disrupts the traffic report schedule.
>  But I think that even those have changed some just in the six years that
> I've been in Indianapolis.  I don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough
> when I'm back up in Chicago (my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put my
> finger on it though.
>
> -Michael
>
> Mike Nolan wrote:
>
>> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it draws
>>> listeners.
>>>
>>
>> Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or
>> watching
>> it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.
>>
>> I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, because
>> there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  Even the local
>> morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except maybe
>> for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM radio
>> at 6:30 AM!)
>>
>> These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now
>> work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway show
>> tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
>> --
>> Mike Nolan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Jan 16 07:45:38 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 16 07:45:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
In-Reply-To: <9a9d92d30901152109o1caee7c4qbe113af542f011d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200901141649.n0EGnA63026818@romaine.tssi.com><49700D8A.5000405@att.net>
	<9a9d92d30901152109o1caee7c4qbe113af542f011d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CB45F7D9C33E9E-CA8-240C@WEBMAIL-DF02.sysops.aol.com>

WCBS in NYC is also in the same vein, and I have been a semi-regular listener for years.? However, I must confess to a longstanding WBBM "jones".? Although I came to Evanston as a provincial Long Islander with a heavy NY bias, by 1974, when I left Evanston, I really loved all things Chicago--except, of course, the weather.? As a consequence, whenever I have been far enough into the "country" to pick up WBBM's 50,000 watts of power, I usually have given it a try.? Thus, down in Sarasota (with a heavy population of Chicago ex-pats) in the Winter, and now out in Lewisburg, PA, where my son is a frosh at Bucknell, I can often pick up Chicago's news station, and I do so, much to my wife's annoyance (as she doesn't like a lot of radio noise in the car--a matrimonial dispute of many, many years:-)).? By the same token, I also like to pick up WGN-TV when I am in hotels, etc., with cable networks that pick it up.? Cablevision, my provider, doesn't provide it, so it is a "treat" when I
  am away from home.

I also miss WXRT--all these years later.



Paul Levinson




-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com>
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:09 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread



KCBS in San Francisco is exactly the same format as you described for WBBM
and the Detroit station. I wonder how many of these CBS newsradio stations
city-to-city are so identical?

I'm with your wife on missing WXRT. It's been 24 years!! Is it still as good
as it was in 1985?

On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Michael Vance <michael.vance@att.net>wrote:

> One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still spent
> a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio stations.  You
> could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic and weather on the
> 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55, national network news
> at the top of the hour, and mix of local and national highlights at the
> bottom.  It was almost like comfort food when driving back to Chicago from
> Michigan, and was especially frustrating when they have carried various
> sports teams over the years and that disrupts the traffic report schedule.
>  But I think that even those have changed some just in the six years that
> I've been in Indianapolis.  I don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough
> when I'm back up in Chicago (my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put my
> finger on it though.
>
> -Michael
>
> Mike Nolan wrote:
>
>> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it draws
>>> listeners.
>>>
>>
>> Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or
>> watching
>> it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.
>>
>> I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, because
>> there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  Even the local
>> morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except maybe
>> for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM radio
>> at 6:30 AM!)
>>
>> These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now
>> work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway show
>> tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
>> --

>> Mike Nolan
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
>>
>>
>
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Jan 16 07:51:57 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 16 07:52:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
Message-ID: <bbe.404ed0b1.36a1eafd@aol.com>


I still listen to WBBM on the internet especially on a morning when the  temp 
is -17 like now and there is maybe a second day of below zero temps in  
Chicago.
 
 
In a message dated 1/15/2009 11:31:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
michael.vance@att.net writes:

still  
spent a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) 

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From ivars at radioskonto.lv  Fri Jan 16 08:38:49 2009
From: ivars at radioskonto.lv (Ivars Embrekts)
Date: Fri Jan 16 08:39:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
In-Reply-To: <8CB45F7D9C33E9E-CA8-240C@WEBMAIL-DF02.sysops.aol.com>
References: <200901141649.n0EGnA63026818@romaine.tssi.com><49700D8A.5000405@att.net>	<9a9d92d30901152109o1caee7c4qbe113af542f011d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<8CB45F7D9C33E9E-CA8-240C@WEBMAIL-DF02.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <49709BF9.8030407@radioskonto.lv>

Just bookmark this if you like Chicago radio broadcasts. Will save you a 
lot of time! You can fine just about any USA community at the site.

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/locate?select=city&city=chicago&x=0&y=0&sid=

Ivars E.


neonrye@aol.com wrote:
> WCBS in NYC is also in the same vein, and I have been a semi-regular listener for years.? However, I must confess to a longstanding WBBM "jones".? Although I came to Evanston as a provincial Long Islander with a heavy NY bias, by 1974, when I left Evanston, I really loved all things Chicago--except, of course, the weather.? As a consequence, whenever I have been far enough into the "country" to pick up WBBM's 50,000 watts of power, I usually have given it a try.? Thus, down in Sarasota (with a heavy population of Chicago ex-pats) in the Winter, and now out in Lewisburg, PA, where my son is a frosh at Bucknell, I can often pick up Chicago's news station, and I do so, much to my wife's annoyance (as she doesn't like a lot of radio noise in the car--a matrimonial dispute of many, many years:-)).? By the same token, I also like to pick up WGN-TV when I am in hotels, etc., with cable networks that pick it up.? Cablevision, my provider, doesn't provide it, so it is a "treat" when I
>   am away from home.
>
> I also miss WXRT--all these years later.
>
>
>
> Paul Levinson
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com>
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:09 am
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
>
>
>
> KCBS in San Francisco is exactly the same format as you described for WBBM
> and the Detroit station. I wonder how many of these CBS newsradio stations
> city-to-city are so identical?
>
> I'm with your wife on missing WXRT. It's been 24 years!! Is it still as good
> as it was in 1985?
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Michael Vance <michael.vance@att.net>wrote:
>
>   
>> One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still spent
>> a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio stations.  You
>> could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic and weather on the
>> 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55, national network news
>> at the top of the hour, and mix of local and national highlights at the
>> bottom.  It was almost like comfort food when driving back to Chicago from
>> Michigan, and was especially frustrating when they have carried various
>> sports teams over the years and that disrupts the traffic report schedule.
>>  But I think that even those have changed some just in the six years that
>> I've been in Indianapolis.  I don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough
>> when I'm back up in Chicago (my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put my
>> finger on it though.
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>> Mike Nolan wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it draws
>>>       
>>>> listeners.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or
>>> watching
>>> it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.
>>>
>>> I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, because
>>> there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  Even the local
>>> morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except maybe
>>> for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM radio
>>> at 6:30 AM!)
>>>
>>> These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now
>>> work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway show
>>> tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
>>> --
>>>       
>
>   
>>> Mike Nolan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports@tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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>
> .
>
>   

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jan 16 09:20:59 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jan 16 09:13:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
In-Reply-To: <49709BF9.8030407@radioskonto.lv>
References: <200901141649.n0EGnA63026818@romaine.tssi.com><49700D8A.5000405@att.net>	<9a9d92d30901152109o1caee7c4qbe113af542f011d2@mail.gmail.com>	<8CB45F7D9C33E9E-CA8-240C@WEBMAIL-DF02.sysops.aol.com>
	<49709BF9.8030407@radioskonto.lv>
Message-ID: <003e01c977ee$0ba14550$22e3cff0$@com>

And to those of you who MUST listen to a CBS station:

http://www.cbsradio.com/streaming/index.html

This has links to all CBS properties, including BBM, CBS, and the California
guys.
KRLD in Dallas is also here.

Enjoy yourselves....

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Ivars Embrekts
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 9:39 AM
To: neonrye@aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread

Just bookmark this if you like Chicago radio broadcasts. Will save you a 
lot of time! You can fine just about any USA community at the site.

http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/locate?select=city&city=chicago&x=0&y=0
&sid=

Ivars E.


neonrye@aol.com wrote:
> WCBS in NYC is also in the same vein, and I have been a semi-regular
listener for years.? However, I must confess to a longstanding WBBM
"jones".? Although I came to Evanston as a provincial Long Islander with a
heavy NY bias, by 1974, when I left Evanston, I really loved all things
Chicago--except, of course, the weather.? As a consequence, whenever I have
been far enough into the "country" to pick up WBBM's 50,000 watts of power,
I usually have given it a try.? Thus, down in Sarasota (with a heavy
population of Chicago ex-pats) in the Winter, and now out in Lewisburg, PA,
where my son is a frosh at Bucknell, I can often pick up Chicago's news
station, and I do so, much to my wife's annoyance (as she doesn't like a lot
of radio noise in the car--a matrimonial dispute of many, many years:-)).?
By the same token, I also like to pick up WGN-TV when I am in hotels, etc.,
with cable networks that pick it up.? Cablevision, my provider, doesn't
provide it, so it is a "treat" when I
>   am away from home.
>
> I also miss WXRT--all these years later.
>
>
>
> Paul Levinson
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com>
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 12:09 am
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
>
>
>
> KCBS in San Francisco is exactly the same format as you described for WBBM
> and the Detroit station. I wonder how many of these CBS newsradio stations
> city-to-city are so identical?
>
> I'm with your wife on missing WXRT. It's been 24 years!! Is it still as
good
> as it was in 1985?
>
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Michael Vance
<michael.vance@att.net>wrote:
>
>   
>> One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still
spent
>> a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio stations.
You
>> could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic and weather on
the
>> 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55, national network
news
>> at the top of the hour, and mix of local and national highlights at the
>> bottom.  It was almost like comfort food when driving back to Chicago
from
>> Michigan, and was especially frustrating when they have carried various
>> sports teams over the years and that disrupts the traffic report
schedule.
>>  But I think that even those have changed some just in the six years that
>> I've been in Indianapolis.  I don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough
>> when I'm back up in Chicago (my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put
my
>> finger on it though.
>>
>> -Michael
>>
>> Mike Nolan wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it
draws
>>>       
>>>> listeners.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or
>>> watching
>>> it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.
>>>
>>> I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, because
>>> there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  Even the
local
>>> morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except maybe
>>> for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM radio
>>> at 6:30 AM!)
>>>
>>> These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now
>>> work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway
show
>>> tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
>>> --
>>>       
>
>   
>>> Mike Nolan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nwu-sports site list
>>> nwu-sports@tssi.com
>>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
>>     
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 16 10:29:52 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Fri Jan 16 10:29:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
In-Reply-To: <9a9d92d30901152109o1caee7c4qbe113af542f011d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <726763.37812.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> I'm with your wife on missing WXRT. It's been 24
> years!! Is it still as good as it was in 1985?

No, not as good as it was, but probably still about as good as gets in commercial rock radio. 

The format is a fair bit tighter now, but the music is still good. And many of the DJ's--among the best in the business--are still around. And XRT still seems to engender a sense of family or community with its listeners. 

You can listen online:

http://www.93xrt.com/

Tom

From thiegs at umn.edu  Fri Jan 16 14:29:54 2009
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Fri Jan 16 14:30:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
References: <200901141649.n0EGnA63026818@romaine.tssi.com>
	<49700D8A.5000405@att.net> 
Message-ID: <003f01c97819$311bc9b0$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

I would guess you might be able to pick up WBBM at night from Indianapolis.
I know late at night (particularly on a clear night with a straight shot to
the ionosphere) I can pick up WBBM, WGN, WSCR, and WLS on the car radio in
varying degrees of clarity, depending on where I am around the Twin Cities,
~400 miles away.  I do get nostalgic listening to things like the traffic
reported in minutes from the Post Office.  :)  Similarly, when I was in
college, I could pick up WCCO (830-AM) and--less frequently or clearly--KSTP
(1500-AM) late at night too.  I remember listening to a few Gopher games on
'CCO from a boombox in my room at Sig Ep.  Gotta love those clear-channel
(not "Clear Channel Communications") stations.

I like to claim credit for the satellite radio idea, but don't think that I
will get any.  My freshman year at NU ('92-'93), I started missing the
morning show from a Twin Cities station (KQRS-92.5 FM, a/k/a KQ92), since
there was nothing quite like it in Chicago--and, I have since found, nothing
quite like it anywhere.  I started thinking about ways that favorite local
radio shows could be broadcast to people wherever they were and came up with
satellite signals and mobile receivers as the solution (mind you, this was a
couple of years before graphical web browsing--e.g., using NCSA Mosaic--and
well before any kind of streaming online media).  As an electrical
engineering major at the time, I really should have pursued the idea but
didn't.  I think the patent rights for Sirius and XM go back to 1995 or so,
as I believe I recall from having checked a couple of years ago . . . .
C'est la vie, I guess.

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Vance
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:31 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread

One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still 
spent a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio 
stations.  You could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic 
and weather on the 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55, 
national network news at the top of the hour, and mix of local and 
national highlights at the bottom.  It was almost like comfort food when 
driving back to Chicago from Michigan, and was especially frustrating 
when they have carried various sports teams over the years and that 
disrupts the traffic report schedule.  But I think that even those have 
changed some just in the six years that I've been in Indianapolis.  I 
don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough when I'm back up in Chicago 
(my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put my finger on it though.

-Michael

Mike Nolan wrote:
>> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it draws
>> listeners. 
>>     
>
> Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or
watching
> it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.
>
> I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, because 
> there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  Even the
local
> morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except maybe 
> for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM radio
> at 6:30 AM!)
>
> These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now
> work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway 
> show tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>   

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Jan 16 15:46:31 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Jan 16 15:46:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
In-Reply-To: <003f01c97819$311bc9b0$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
References: <200901141649.n0EGnA63026818@romaine.tssi.com><49700D8A.5000405@att.net>
	<003f01c97819$311bc9b0$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE03BB975E@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

I enjoy listening to the Sox on WSCR during the summer, though my
tolerance for sketchy reception irritates my wife.  I also agree that
satellite radio has made it much easier to be a Chicago ex-pat.

Also fun to hear that WXRT is still going strong.  I was fortunate
enough to be around when they got started as a late night broadcaster on
a day-time ethnic station.  Those shows inspired me to try my hand at it
on WNUR.  I suspect most of the management that grew it is probably long
gone, but it was fun to see that Terri Hammert is still on the air.  I
think I've still got a jersey somewhere from playing on their flag
football team.  We were really bad but I think one year we beat WFMT.

Jeff 


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:30 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread

I would guess you might be able to pick up WBBM at night from
Indianapolis.
I know late at night (particularly on a clear night with a straight shot
to the ionosphere) I can pick up WBBM, WGN, WSCR, and WLS on the car
radio in varying degrees of clarity, depending on where I am around the
Twin Cities, ~400 miles away.  I do get nostalgic listening to things
like the traffic reported in minutes from the Post Office.  :)
Similarly, when I was in college, I could pick up WCCO (830-AM)
and--less frequently or clearly--KSTP
(1500-AM) late at night too.  I remember listening to a few Gopher games
on 'CCO from a boombox in my room at Sig Ep.  Gotta love those
clear-channel (not "Clear Channel Communications") stations.

I like to claim credit for the satellite radio idea, but don't think
that I will get any.  My freshman year at NU ('92-'93), I started
missing the morning show from a Twin Cities station (KQRS-92.5 FM, a/k/a
KQ92), since there was nothing quite like it in Chicago--and, I have
since found, nothing quite like it anywhere.  I started thinking about
ways that favorite local radio shows could be broadcast to people
wherever they were and came up with satellite signals and mobile
receivers as the solution (mind you, this was a couple of years before
graphical web browsing--e.g., using NCSA Mosaic--and well before any
kind of streaming online media).  As an electrical engineering major at
the time, I really should have pursued the idea but didn't.  I think the
patent rights for Sirius and XM go back to 1995 or so, as I believe I
recall from having checked a couple of years ago . . . .
C'est la vie, I guess.

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Michael Vance
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:31 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread

One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still
spent a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio
stations.  You could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic
and weather on the 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55,
national network news at the top of the hour, and mix of local and
national highlights at the bottom.  It was almost like comfort food when
driving back to Chicago from Michigan, and was especially frustrating
when they have carried various sports teams over the years and that
disrupts the traffic report schedule.  But I think that even those have
changed some just in the six years that I've been in Indianapolis.  I
don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough when I'm back up in Chicago
(my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put my finger on it though.

-Michael

Mike Nolan wrote:
>> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it 
>> draws listeners.
>>     
>
> Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or
watching
> it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.
>
> I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, 
> because there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  
> Even the
local
> morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except 
> maybe for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM

> radio at 6:30 AM!)
>
> These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now

> work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway
> show tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jan 16 17:12:37 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jan 16 17:12:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
In-Reply-To: <003f01c97819$311bc9b0$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
References: <200901141649.n0EGnA63026818@romaine.tssi.com>	<49700D8A.5000405@att.net>
	<003f01c97819$311bc9b0$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <000c01c9782f$ec518010$c4f48030$@com>

They were talking about satellite TV and by extension Radio back in the Late
60's, when Telstar first was launched and the idea of sending a signal down
became an idea waiting for the technology. 

Right after the radio stations started getting their network stuff off the
satellite - circa 1980, the goal was to shrink the dishes, something that
happened in the 90's. 

The issue was always getting enough power from the bird and enuff
selectivity on the receivers to allow a stereo signal.

When I went back to Rochester in 1969, to try to become an Electrical
Engineer, I was interested in stereo AM, but Harris/Gates and some other
equipment biz was already working on that. The solid state transmitter was
the real savior of AM, followed by resurgence of talk radio.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
A Few Basic Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poor
Its all been tried, so why do we keep trying?
================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:30 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread

I would guess you might be able to pick up WBBM at night from Indianapolis.
I know late at night (particularly on a clear night with a straight shot to
the ionosphere) I can pick up WBBM, WGN, WSCR, and WLS on the car radio in
varying degrees of clarity, depending on where I am around the Twin Cities,
~400 miles away.  I do get nostalgic listening to things like the traffic
reported in minutes from the Post Office.  :)  Similarly, when I was in
college, I could pick up WCCO (830-AM) and--less frequently or clearly--KSTP
(1500-AM) late at night too.  I remember listening to a few Gopher games on
'CCO from a boombox in my room at Sig Ep.  Gotta love those clear-channel
(not "Clear Channel Communications") stations.

I like to claim credit for the satellite radio idea, but don't think that I
will get any.  My freshman year at NU ('92-'93), I started missing the
morning show from a Twin Cities station (KQRS-92.5 FM, a/k/a KQ92), since
there was nothing quite like it in Chicago--and, I have since found, nothing
quite like it anywhere.  I started thinking about ways that favorite local
radio shows could be broadcast to people wherever they were and came up with
satellite signals and mobile receivers as the solution (mind you, this was a
couple of years before graphical web browsing--e.g., using NCSA Mosaic--and
well before any kind of streaming online media).  As an electrical
engineering major at the time, I really should have pursued the idea but
didn't.  I think the patent rights for Sirius and XM go back to 1995 or so,
as I believe I recall from having checked a couple of years ago . . . .
C'est la vie, I guess.

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Vance
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:31 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread

One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still 
spent a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio 
stations.  You could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic 
and weather on the 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55, 
national network news at the top of the hour, and mix of local and 
national highlights at the bottom.  It was almost like comfort food when 
driving back to Chicago from Michigan, and was especially frustrating 
when they have carried various sports teams over the years and that 
disrupts the traffic report schedule.  But I think that even those have 
changed some just in the six years that I've been in Indianapolis.  I 
don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough when I'm back up in Chicago 
(my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put my finger on it though.

-Michael

Mike Nolan wrote:
>> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it draws
>> listeners. 
>>     
>
> Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or
watching
> it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.
>
> I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, because 
> there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  Even the
local
> morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except maybe 
> for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM radio
> at 6:30 AM!)
>
> These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now
> work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway 
> show tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jan 16 17:25:42 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jan 16 17:25:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
In-Reply-To: <003f01c97819$311bc9b0$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
References: <200901141649.n0EGnA63026818@romaine.tssi.com>	<49700D8A.5000405@att.net>
	<003f01c97819$311bc9b0$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <000d01c97831$bff42930$3fdc7b90$@com>

I may be the furthest NU fan who listens to WGN off the air on Wednesday
nights to hear the Cats Play.

My wife and I sing in a choir in Germantown, MD, and we practice from 7:30 -
9PM Wednesday nights. Cat games usually start about 8:30 EST so I usually
can hear from halftime on. I also can hear Kaplan and Fitz when he makes an
appearance too.

WGN starts banging into the DC area just about sunset, and the signal holds
up until I cross the Bay Bridge when some foreign language oldies station
knocks it down. The two signals fight it out until I reach home which means
I'm usually PO'd because I couldn't hear all of BC's post game remarks.

I can also pick up WGN on US13 heading down from Wilmington at night, no
power lines near the road helps.

And yes, I can get WLS and WMAQ AND WBBM loud and clear while driving on the
beltway also. What is funny is that while I can listen to Charolotte,
Chicago, Rochester, Pittsburgh and Philly on the beltway, I can't get many
Baltimore AM's and only 2 DC stations, WMAL and WTNT. 

Still, it's fun listening to the weather from Chicago, and the times on the
roads. It seems the times from here to there don't change much, but then
neither does anything else in Chicago.

TTFN

rsl 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
A Few Basic Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poor
Its all been tried, so why do we keep trying?
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:30 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread

I would guess you might be able to pick up WBBM at night from Indianapolis.
I know late at night (particularly on a clear night with a straight shot to
the ionosphere) I can pick up WBBM, WGN, WSCR, and WLS on the car radio in
varying degrees of clarity, depending on where I am around the Twin Cities,
~400 miles away.  I do get nostalgic listening to things like the traffic
reported in minutes from the Post Office.  :)  Similarly, when I was in
college, I could pick up WCCO (830-AM) and--less frequently or clearly--KSTP
(1500-AM) late at night too.  I remember listening to a few Gopher games on
'CCO from a boombox in my room at Sig Ep.  Gotta love those clear-channel
(not "Clear Channel Communications") stations.

I like to claim credit for the satellite radio idea, but don't think that I
will get any.  My freshman year at NU ('92-'93), I started missing the
morning show from a Twin Cities station (KQRS-92.5 FM, a/k/a KQ92), since
there was nothing quite like it in Chicago--and, I have since found, nothing
quite like it anywhere.  I started thinking about ways that favorite local
radio shows could be broadcast to people wherever they were and came up with
satellite signals and mobile receivers as the solution (mind you, this was a
couple of years before graphical web browsing--e.g., using NCSA Mosaic--and
well before any kind of streaming online media).  As an electrical
engineering major at the time, I really should have pursued the idea but
didn't.  I think the patent rights for Sirius and XM go back to 1995 or so,
as I believe I recall from having checked a couple of years ago . . . .
C'est la vie, I guess.

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Michael Vance
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:31 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread

One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still 
spent a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio 
stations.  You could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic 
and weather on the 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55, 
national network news at the top of the hour, and mix of local and 
national highlights at the bottom.  It was almost like comfort food when 
driving back to Chicago from Michigan, and was especially frustrating 
when they have carried various sports teams over the years and that 
disrupts the traffic report schedule.  But I think that even those have 
changed some just in the six years that I've been in Indianapolis.  I 
don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough when I'm back up in Chicago 
(my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put my finger on it though.

-Michael

Mike Nolan wrote:
>> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it draws
>> listeners. 
>>     
>
> Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or
watching
> it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.
>
> I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, because 
> there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  Even the
local
> morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except maybe 
> for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM radio
> at 6:30 AM!)
>
> These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now
> work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway 
> show tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>   

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Fri Jan 16 18:23:48 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Fri Jan 16 18:24:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] OT: inauguration interviews
Message-ID: <4301576.1232151828388.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I'm in DC now for the inauguration. In case some of you are interested, here are some upcoming scheduled appearances (all of these are Eastern time):

Friday night: Bloomberg TV at 9:45 pm
Saturday: Fox News Channel at 5:05 pm
Sunday: CBS Sunday Morning show -- 9 am in DC,  times may vary in different time zones
Sunday: MSNBC at 4:30 pm

Only in New York City:
Sunday at 11 am on WABC-TV Channel 7

Only in Washington, DC:
Monday at 8:30 am local Fox channel 5

Jim B.

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Jan 16 20:44:06 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 16 20:44:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] OT: inauguration interviews
Message-ID: <c8a.32472fa6.36a29ff6@aol.com>

Have fun Jim, this is one I wish I was at, I have never been prouder  to be 
an American than this Election day, of course McCain helped by picking a  
dingbat.
 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2009 7:24:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
thehaze@earthlink.net writes:

I'm in  DC now for the inauguration. In case some of you are interested, here 
are some  upcoming scheduled appearances (all of these are Eastern time):

Friday  night: Bloomberg TV at 9:45 pm
Saturday: Fox News Channel at 5:05  pm
Sunday: CBS Sunday Morning show -- 9 am in DC,  times may vary in  different 
time zones
Sunday: MSNBC at 4:30 pm

Only in New York  City:
Sunday at 11 am on WABC-TV Channel 7

Only in Washington,  DC:
Monday at 8:30 am local Fox channel 5

Jim  B.

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Jan 16 20:55:36 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 16 20:55:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] OT: inauguration interviews
Message-ID: <d36.39f47d77.36a2a2a8@aol.com>

good interview, I didn't even know I got Bloomberg TV, I wonder what Biden  
will say to Cheney in the Limo, get a lawyer I hope.
 
 
In a message dated 1/16/2009 9:44:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
MHRJGScott@aol.com writes:

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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Jan 16 21:11:04 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan 16 21:11:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] OT: inauguration interviews
Message-ID: <011720090311.12124.49714C480006424900002F5C2215553894090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Without Palin who you feel required to insult, McCain wouldn't have drawn flies at his events.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> Have fun Jim, this is one I wish I was at, I have never been prouder  to be 
> an American than this Election day, of course McCain helped by picking a  
> dingbat.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/16/2009 7:24:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> thehaze@earthlink.net writes:
> 
> I'm in  DC now for the inauguration. In case some of you are interested, here 
> are some  upcoming scheduled appearances (all of these are Eastern time):
> 
> Friday  night: Bloomberg TV at 9:45 pm
> Saturday: Fox News Channel at 5:05  pm
> Sunday: CBS Sunday Morning show -- 9 am in DC,  times may vary in  different 
> time zones
> Sunday: MSNBC at 4:30 pm
> 
> Only in New York  City:
> Sunday at 11 am on WABC-TV Channel 7
> 
> Only in Washington,  DC:
> Monday at 8:30 am local Fox channel 5
> 
> Jim  B.
> 
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Jan 16 21:16:29 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan 16 21:16:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] OT: inauguration interviews
Message-ID: <011720090316.18980.49714D8D0007C27E00004A242215553894090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

If anyone ever catches up with Biden, he'll probably need one.  Jack Markell Delaware's new governor and a supper smart guy, even though he is a Dem, should find someone to run against Beau and fake out Joe Biden just like Obama has.  Look hard to see Biden at the next foreign funeral otherwise he will be the invisible man..

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> good interview, I didn't even know I got Bloomberg TV, I wonder what Biden  
> will say to Cheney in the Limo, get a lawyer I hope.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/16/2009 9:44:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
> MHRJGScott@aol.com writes:
> 
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Jan 16 21:24:04 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan 16 21:24:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
Message-ID: <011720090324.27516.49714F54000591E400006B7C2215553894090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

I worked with a guy at Ford, or at Ford's as they say in Motown. in the late 1950's and I remember that he bought a weather balloon, wrapped aluminum foil around it and sent it up on a thin wire that he hooked up to his TV so that he could get Lansing stations and listen to the Detroit Lions broadcasts.  He said the reception wasn't great but he could still see the game.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> They were talking about satellite TV and by extension Radio back in the Late
> 60's, when Telstar first was launched and the idea of sending a signal down
> became an idea waiting for the technology. 
> 
> Right after the radio stations started getting their network stuff off the
> satellite - circa 1980, the goal was to shrink the dishes, something that
> happened in the 90's. 
> 
> The issue was always getting enough power from the bird and enuff
> selectivity on the receivers to allow a stereo signal.
> 
> When I went back to Rochester in 1969, to try to become an Electrical
> Engineer, I was interested in stereo AM, but Harris/Gates and some other
> equipment biz was already working on that. The solid state transmitter was
> the real savior of AM, followed by resurgence of talk radio.
> 
> rsl
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
> Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> A Few Basic Truths:
>   You cannot Legislate Morality
>   You cannot Litigate Peace
>   You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
>   Wealth transfer makes everyone poor
> Its all been tried, so why do we keep trying?
> ================================================
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:30 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
> 
> I would guess you might be able to pick up WBBM at night from Indianapolis.
> I know late at night (particularly on a clear night with a straight shot to
> the ionosphere) I can pick up WBBM, WGN, WSCR, and WLS on the car radio in
> varying degrees of clarity, depending on where I am around the Twin Cities,
> ~400 miles away.  I do get nostalgic listening to things like the traffic
> reported in minutes from the Post Office.  :)  Similarly, when I was in
> college, I could pick up WCCO (830-AM) and--less frequently or clearly--KSTP
> (1500-AM) late at night too.  I remember listening to a few Gopher games on
> 'CCO from a boombox in my room at Sig Ep.  Gotta love those clear-channel
> (not "Clear Channel Communications") stations.
> 
> I like to claim credit for the satellite radio idea, but don't think that I
> will get any.  My freshman year at NU ('92-'93), I started missing the
> morning show from a Twin Cities station (KQRS-92.5 FM, a/k/a KQ92), since
> there was nothing quite like it in Chicago--and, I have since found, nothing
> quite like it anywhere.  I started thinking about ways that favorite local
> radio shows could be broadcast to people wherever they were and came up with
> satellite signals and mobile receivers as the solution (mind you, this was a
> couple of years before graphical web browsing--e.g., using NCSA Mosaic--and
> well before any kind of streaming online media).  As an electrical
> engineering major at the time, I really should have pursued the idea but
> didn't.  I think the patent rights for Sirius and XM go back to 1995 or so,
> as I believe I recall from having checked a couple of years ago . . . .
> C'est la vie, I guess.
> 
> -Joe
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Michael Vance
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:31 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
> 
> One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still 
> spent a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio 
> stations.  You could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic 
> and weather on the 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55, 
> national network news at the top of the hour, and mix of local and 
> national highlights at the bottom.  It was almost like comfort food when 
> driving back to Chicago from Michigan, and was especially frustrating 
> when they have carried various sports teams over the years and that 
> disrupts the traffic report schedule.  But I think that even those have 
> changed some just in the six years that I've been in Indianapolis.  I 
> don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough when I'm back up in Chicago 
> (my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put my finger on it though.
> 
> -Michael
> 
> Mike Nolan wrote:
> >> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it draws
> >> listeners. 
> >>     
> >
> > Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or
> watching
> > it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.
> >
> > I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, because 
> > there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  Even the
> local
> > morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except maybe 
> > for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM radio
> > at 6:30 AM!)
> >
> > These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now
> > work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway 
> > show tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> >
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Jan 16 21:31:27 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Jan 16 21:31:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
Message-ID: <011720090331.6433.4971510F0007FDE7000019212215553894090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Joe Thiegs deserves a lot of credit for having thought through the concept of satellite transmission. There were a lot of guys in the telecomunications business who didn't think of it.
John DeGroat
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From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>
> I enjoy listening to the Sox on WSCR during the summer, though my
> tolerance for sketchy reception irritates my wife.  I also agree that
> satellite radio has made it much easier to be a Chicago ex-pat.
> 
> Also fun to hear that WXRT is still going strong.  I was fortunate
> enough to be around when they got started as a late night broadcaster on
> a day-time ethnic station.  Those shows inspired me to try my hand at it
> on WNUR.  I suspect most of the management that grew it is probably long
> gone, but it was fun to see that Terri Hammert is still on the air.  I
> think I've still got a jersey somewhere from playing on their flag
> football team.  We were really bad but I think one year we beat WFMT.
> 
> Jeff 
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> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:30 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
> 
> I would guess you might be able to pick up WBBM at night from
> Indianapolis.
> I know late at night (particularly on a clear night with a straight shot
> to the ionosphere) I can pick up WBBM, WGN, WSCR, and WLS on the car
> radio in varying degrees of clarity, depending on where I am around the
> Twin Cities, ~400 miles away.  I do get nostalgic listening to things
> like the traffic reported in minutes from the Post Office.  :)
> Similarly, when I was in college, I could pick up WCCO (830-AM)
> and--less frequently or clearly--KSTP
> (1500-AM) late at night too.  I remember listening to a few Gopher games
> on 'CCO from a boombox in my room at Sig Ep.  Gotta love those
> clear-channel (not "Clear Channel Communications") stations.
> 
> I like to claim credit for the satellite radio idea, but don't think
> that I will get any.  My freshman year at NU ('92-'93), I started
> missing the morning show from a Twin Cities station (KQRS-92.5 FM, a/k/a
> KQ92), since there was nothing quite like it in Chicago--and, I have
> since found, nothing quite like it anywhere.  I started thinking about
> ways that favorite local radio shows could be broadcast to people
> wherever they were and came up with satellite signals and mobile
> receivers as the solution (mind you, this was a couple of years before
> graphical web browsing--e.g., using NCSA Mosaic--and well before any
> kind of streaming online media).  As an electrical engineering major at
> the time, I really should have pursued the idea but didn't.  I think the
> patent rights for Sirius and XM go back to 1995 or so, as I believe I
> recall from having checked a couple of years ago . . . .
> C'est la vie, I guess.
> 
> -Joe
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Michael Vance
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:31 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
> 
> One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still
> spent a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio
> stations.  You could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic
> and weather on the 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55,
> national network news at the top of the hour, and mix of local and
> national highlights at the bottom.  It was almost like comfort food when
> driving back to Chicago from Michigan, and was especially frustrating
> when they have carried various sports teams over the years and that
> disrupts the traffic report schedule.  But I think that even those have
> changed some just in the six years that I've been in Indianapolis.  I
> don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough when I'm back up in Chicago
> (my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put my finger on it though.
> 
> -Michael
> 
> Mike Nolan wrote:
> >> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it 
> >> draws listeners.
> >>     
> >
> > Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or
> watching
> > it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.
> >
> > I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, 
> > because there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  
> > Even the
> local
> > morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except 
> > maybe for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM
> 
> > radio at 6:30 AM!)
> >
> > These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now
> 
> > work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway
> > show tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> >
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From tmcadams at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 09:11:17 2009
From: tmcadams at yahoo.com (Trey McAdams)
Date: Sat Jan 17 09:11:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
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Great Idea.

http://www.c
hicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-17-greenstein-northwestern-wjan17,0,6450587.story

This needs to be an annual tradition.  Our own version of the Red River Rivalry.  This would be unique on college football.  Great recruiting tool as well.



      
From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Jan 17 09:21:30 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 17 09:22:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
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Of course we would have to schedule the game in november to avoid the obvious risk of the Cubs being in the World Series

Harry
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Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley

Great Idea.

http://www.c
hicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-17-greenstein-northwestern-wjan17,0,6450587.story

This needs to be an annual tradition.  Our own version of the Red River Rivalry.  This would be unique on college football.  Great recruiting tool as well.



      
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Jan 17 10:09:27 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Jan 17 10:09:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
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> Of course we would have to schedule the game in november to avoid the 
> obvious risk of the Cubs being in the World Series

The way MLB is going, they'll still be playing the World Series in November. 
They darn near did this year, and the upcoming season starts a week later. 

From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Jan 17 10:10:48 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Jan 17 10:10:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
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You're right, Tom.  Not quite as good, but for the most part, corporate 
parent CBS has left them alone, format-wise.  They still play anything 
that could remotely be categorized as rock, with a healthy dose of blues 
and a bit of jazz thrown in.  Richard Milne still does Local Anesthetic, 
highlighting Chicago-area bands.  In addition to Terri Hemmert, Lin 
Brehmer, Frank E. Lee, Tom Marker, Mary Dixon, Marty Lennartz, and Wendy 
Rice (still doing Saturday Morning Flashback, one of the greatest 
regular radio shows ever) are all still around.

-Michael

Tom Maycock wrote:
>> I'm with your wife on missing WXRT. It's been 24
>> years!! Is it still as good as it was in 1985?
>>     
>
> No, not as good as it was, but probably still about as good as gets in commercial rock radio. 
>
> The format is a fair bit tighter now, but the music is still good. And many of the DJ's--among the best in the business--are still around. And XRT still seems to engender a sense of family or community with its listeners. 
>
> You can listen online:
>
> http://www.93xrt.com/
>
> Tom
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan 17 11:23:05 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan 17 11:23:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] OT: inauguration interviews
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The invisible man is the other Senator from Delaware, Tom Carper.

Maybe we'll actually get to see him other than funerals here in Delaware

rsl

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If anyone ever catches up with Biden, he'll probably need one.  Jack Markell
Delaware's new governor and a supper smart guy, even though he is a Dem,
should find someone to run against Beau and fake out Joe Biden just like
Obama has.  Look hard to see Biden at the next foreign funeral otherwise he
will be the invisible man..

John DeGroat
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From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> good interview, I didn't even know I got Bloomberg TV, I wonder what Biden

> will say to Cheney in the Limo, get a lawyer I hope.
>  
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan 17 11:24:00 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 17 11:24:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
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If the Illini don't want to do it, screw 'em.? I think Phillips (who struck me as a "go-getter" when I met him at NU Alumni Club of NY Sports Night last Summer) is really on to something.? Although I love the "Red River" analogy, to make it a How about some of these other possibilities:

NU-ND (Revive that old rivalry, now that we have a good chance to win--and Fitz has good karma vs. the Irish)
NU-Stanford?or NU-Vandy or NU-Rice?(The "SAT Bowl").? We have played Duke a lot lately, so I'll leave them out of the mix..
NU-Missouri (Develop a new rivalry after a great Alamo Bowl match-up).? And Mizzou is close enough to send plenty of fans.
NU-Army (Best shot for a "W" vs. a service academy).? I saw us play at West Point several years back, so I know we have some history with the Black Knights.
NU--Florida (I can dream, can't I?:-))

Paul Levinson



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> Of course we would have to schedule the game in november to avoid the > obvious risk of the Cubs being in the World Series?
?
The way MLB is going, they'll still be playing the World Series in November. They darn near did this year, and the upcoming season starts a week later. ?
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From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Jan 17 12:02:02 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Jan 17 12:02:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
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I have to admit, I like the idea of having it at Soldier Field better.  
It makes it more likely that the Illini might actually agree to make it 
an every-year thing, like the Red River Shootout and the Cocktail Party, 
if they don't have to give up as much in ticket sales by moving a home 
game.  (Soldier Field holds 61,500 compared to Memorial's 62,872.)  You 
can also still tailgate at Soldier Field.  Hitting the bars in 
Wrigleyville before or after wouldn't be a bad substitute, but you have 
to compete with the regular Saturday sports crowd for that.  Of course, 
the Bears would probably nix the idea because of the wear and tear on 
the turf, but economically and in terms of the total game-day 
atmosphere, it would be the better choice.

That gives me the opportunity to ask a question that I've always 
wondered about: How do Texas and Oklahoma (or Florida and Georgia or 
whoever else does something similar) handle season ticket sales for the 
game?  Does whichever team is designated as "home" in a given year get 
first dibs to allocate tickets to their season ticket holders?  Or do 
they have some other system where they tickets get allocated the same 
way every year?  The Cotton Bowl (92,200) holds slightly less than 
Royal-Texas Memorial (94,113) and about 10,000 more than 
Gaylord-Oklahoma Memorial (82,112).  Jacksonville Municipal (76,867), 
while one of the largest stadiums in the NFL, holds significantly less 
than both Ben Hill Griffin (88,548) and Sanford (92,746).  Obviously, 
for those two series, not every season ticket holder can be 
accommodated.  Does anyone know how they do it?

(BTW, all stats from Wikipedia, 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stadiums_by_capacity)

-Michael

neonrye@aol.com wrote:
> If the Illini don't want to do it, screw 'em.? I think Phillips (who struck me as a "go-getter" when I met him at NU Alumni Club of NY Sports Night last Summer) is really on to something.? Although I love the "Red River" analogy, to make it a How about some of these other possibilities:
>
> NU-ND (Revive that old rivalry, now that we have a good chance to win--and Fitz has good karma vs. the Irish)
> NU-Stanford?or NU-Vandy or NU-Rice?(The "SAT Bowl").? We have played Duke a lot lately, so I'll leave them out of the mix..
> NU-Missouri (Develop a new rivalry after a great Alamo Bowl match-up).? And Mizzou is close enough to send plenty of fans.
> NU-Army (Best shot for a "W" vs. a service academy).? I saw us play at West Point several years back, so I know we have some history with the Black Knights.
> NU--Florida (I can dream, can't I?:-))
>
> Paul Levinson
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:09 am
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
>
>
>   
>> Of course we would have to schedule the game in november to avoid the > obvious risk of the Cubs being in the World Series?
>>     
> ?
> The way MLB is going, they'll still be playing the World Series in November. They darn near did this year, and the upcoming season starts a week later. ?
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan 17 12:18:15 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 17 12:18:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
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Michael,

Wrigley has more?cachet, for several reasons.? It is a bseball venue, so holding it there makes it more of an "event", from a national coverage and TV perspective.? Outside of? Yankee Stadium (old), Fenway, the Rose Bowl, Lambeau Field, and the LA Coliseum==and I guess I should include the "Big? House", too--? there is no stadium more famous or storied in the country.? And Wrigley ranks at or near the top of that list (now that Yankee Stadium as I knew it is no more).? Soldier Field is up there, also,?but with the landing of the "Spaceship" seating, I don't think it qualifies in the same manner.? Just look what a big deal playing hockey was at the Friendly Confines.

I think Ftz could become even better known from such an event, especially if on an annual basis.? The impact on recruiting would be very positive, if this thing grew into "event" status.

I really love the concept, and salute Phillips for "thinking out of the box"--something I have urged on this List with respect to our hardcourt horrors.? I still say let's go for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or another NBA Hall of Famer (or at least close to?that status)?who wants to coach at the college level, and has the academic?and coaching "cred" to do so.? Somebody to break the never-ending cycle of defeats and defeatism that is endemic to our hoops program.

Paul


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I have to admit, I like the idea of having it at Soldier Field better. It makes it more likely that the Illini might actually agree to make it an every-year thing, like the Red River Shootout and the Cocktail Party, if they don't have to give up as much in ticket sales by moving a home game. (Soldier Field holds 61,500 compared to Memorial's 62,872.) You can also still tailgate at Soldier Field. Hitting the bars in Wrigleyville before or after wouldn't be a bad substitute, but you have to compete with the regular Saturday sports crowd for that. Of course, the Bears would probably nix the idea because of the wear and tear on the turf, but economically and in terms of the total game-day atmosphere, it would be the better choice.?
?
That gives me the opportunity to ask a question that I've always wondered about: How do Texas and Oklahoma (or Florida and Georgia or whoever else does something similar) handle season ticket sales for the game? Does whichever team is designated as "home" in a given year get first dibs to allocate tickets to their season ticket holders? Or do they have some other system where they tickets get allocated the same way every year? The Cotton Bowl (92,200) holds slightly less than Royal-Texas Memorial (94,113) and about 10,000 more than Gaylord-Oklahoma Memorial (82,112). Jacksonville Municipal (76,867), while one of the largest stadiums in the NFL, holds significantly less than both Ben Hill Griffin (88,548) and Sanford (92,746). Obviously, for those two series, not every season ticket holder can be accommodated. Does anyone know how they do it??
?
(BTW, all stats from Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stadiums_by_capacity)?
?
-Michael?
?
neonrye@aol.com wrote:?
> If the Illini don't want to do it, screw 'em.? I think Phillips (who struck me as a "go-getter" when I met him at NU Alumni Club of NY Sports Night last Summer) is really on to something.? Although I love the "Red River" analogy, to make it a How about some of these other possibilities:?
>?
> NU-ND (Revive that old rivalry, now that we have a good chance to win--and Fitz has good karma vs. the Irish)?
> NU-Stanford?or NU-Vandy or NU-Rice?(The "SAT Bowl").? We have played Duke a lot lately, so I'll leave them out of the mix..?
> NU-Missouri (Develop a new rivalry after a great Alamo Bowl match-up).? And Mizzou is close enough to send plenty of fans.?
> NU-Army (Best shot for a "W" vs. a service academy).? I saw us play at West Point several years back, so I know we have some history with the Black Knights.?
> NU--Florida (I can dream, can't I?:-))?
>?
> Paul Levinson?
>?
>?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>?
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com?
> Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:09 am?
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley?
>?
>?
> >> Of course we would have to schedule the game in november to avoid the > obvious risk of the Cubs being in the World Series??
>> > ??
> The way MLB is going, they'll still be playing the World Series in November. They darn near did this year, and the upcoming season starts a week later. ??
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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Sat Jan 17 12:20:43 2009
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Sat Jan 17 12:28:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
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It might be OK for a one time thing.  I wouldn't want it every year, though.

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Jan 17 12:52:43 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Jan 17 12:52:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
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	from "hakirsch@aol.com" at Jan 17, 2009 03:21:30 PM
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> Of course we would have to schedule the game in november to avoid the obvious risk of the Cubs being in the World Series

As one who remembers very well when there were Bears games at Wrigley, 
there was never enough padding on the outfield wall and I recall a few 
football players who got injured when they crashed into the wall at 
full speed.

The Bears and the Cubs dealt with the possibility of a schedule confclit
for years (though the Cubs seldom made it a serious concern and the NFL 
season didn't start as early then as it does now), all you really need 
to avoid is the first 3 weeks or so of October.  The pitchers always 
grumbled about having to throw from a re-built pitcher's mound after 
Bears games were held there, though.

The Trib is set to announce the winning bid for the Cubs in the next
week or so.  (One of the three finalists is the Ricketts family from
Omaha, founders of AmeriTrade, it must be tough to be the 2nd richest
family in the state and TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars out of first place.)  
I wonder if that decision will factor into this?
--
Mike Nolan

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sat Jan 17 12:53:55 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Jan 17 12:54:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
Message-ID: <011720091853.18723.497229430002A7D9000049232216548686090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

What makes us think that we would draw any better at Wrigley when we play Illinois than in Evanston.  Do we sell out Dyche aka Ryan when we play Illinois?.  I agree that at least Phillips is thinking about doing something different which is refreshing to say the least.Let us also hope that Phillips is looking through  his Rolodex file for a new basketball coach. 

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: neonrye@aol.com
> If the Illini don't want to do it, screw 'em.? I think Phillips (who struck me 
> as a "go-getter" when I met him at NU Alumni Club of NY Sports Night last 
> Summer) is really on to something.? Although I love the "Red River" analogy, to 
> make it a How about some of these other possibilities:
> 
> NU-ND (Revive that old rivalry, now that we have a good chance to win--and Fitz 
> has good karma vs. the Irish)
> NU-Stanford?or NU-Vandy or NU-Rice?(The "SAT Bowl").? We have played Duke a lot 
> lately, so I'll leave them out of the mix..
> NU-Missouri (Develop a new rivalry after a great Alamo Bowl match-up).? And 
> Mizzou is close enough to send plenty of fans.
> NU-Army (Best shot for a "W" vs. a service academy).? I saw us play at West 
> Point several years back, so I know we have some history with the Black Knights.
> NU--Florida (I can dream, can't I?:-))
> 
> Paul Levinson
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:09 am
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
> 
> 
> > Of course we would have to schedule the game in november to avoid the > 
> obvious risk of the Cubs being in the World Series?
> ?
> The way MLB is going, they'll still be playing the World Series in November. 
> They darn near did this year, and the upcoming season starts a week later. ?
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From ivars at radioskonto.lv  Sat Jan 17 13:22:30 2009
From: ivars at radioskonto.lv (Ivars Embrekts)
Date: Sat Jan 17 13:23:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
In-Reply-To: <000d01c97831$bff42930$3fdc7b90$@com>
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I was in Atlanta last year for a convetion the day the tragic shooting 
happened at Northern Illinois. Tuned my Hertz car rental radio into 720 
and WGN came in clear as a local station!

Also became hooked on this one that I listen to now quite often online. 
Thank goodness of AM distant signals, never would have known about this 
gem...

http://www.wsmonline.com/

Roy Lamberton wrote:
> I may be the furthest NU fan who listens to WGN off the air on Wednesday
> nights to hear the Cats Play.
>
> My wife and I sing in a choir in Germantown, MD, and we practice from 7:30 -
> 9PM Wednesday nights. Cat games usually start about 8:30 EST so I usually
> can hear from halftime on. I also can hear Kaplan and Fitz when he makes an
> appearance too.
>
> WGN starts banging into the DC area just about sunset, and the signal holds
> up until I cross the Bay Bridge when some foreign language oldies station
> knocks it down. The two signals fight it out until I reach home which means
> I'm usually PO'd because I couldn't hear all of BC's post game remarks.
>
> I can also pick up WGN on US13 heading down from Wilmington at night, no
> power lines near the road helps.
>
> And yes, I can get WLS and WMAQ AND WBBM loud and clear while driving on the
> beltway also. What is funny is that while I can listen to Charolotte,
> Chicago, Rochester, Pittsburgh and Philly on the beltway, I can't get many
> Baltimore AM's and only 2 DC stations, WMAL and WTNT. 
>
> Still, it's fun listening to the weather from Chicago, and the times on the
> roads. It seems the times from here to there don't change much, but then
> neither does anything else in Chicago.
>
> TTFN
>
> rsl 
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:30 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
>
> I would guess you might be able to pick up WBBM at night from Indianapolis.
> I know late at night (particularly on a clear night with a straight shot to
> the ionosphere) I can pick up WBBM, WGN, WSCR, and WLS on the car radio in
> varying degrees of clarity, depending on where I am around the Twin Cities,
> ~400 miles away.  I do get nostalgic listening to things like the traffic
> reported in minutes from the Post Office.  :)  Similarly, when I was in
> college, I could pick up WCCO (830-AM) and--less frequently or clearly--KSTP
> (1500-AM) late at night too.  I remember listening to a few Gopher games on
> 'CCO from a boombox in my room at Sig Ep.  Gotta love those clear-channel
> (not "Clear Channel Communications") stations.
>
> I like to claim credit for the satellite radio idea, but don't think that I
> will get any.  My freshman year at NU ('92-'93), I started missing the
> morning show from a Twin Cities station (KQRS-92.5 FM, a/k/a KQ92), since
> there was nothing quite like it in Chicago--and, I have since found, nothing
> quite like it anywhere.  I started thinking about ways that favorite local
> radio shows could be broadcast to people wherever they were and came up with
> satellite signals and mobile receivers as the solution (mind you, this was a
> couple of years before graphical web browsing--e.g., using NCSA Mosaic--and
> well before any kind of streaming online media).  As an electrical
> engineering major at the time, I really should have pursued the idea but
> didn't.  I think the patent rights for Sirius and XM go back to 1995 or so,
> as I believe I recall from having checked a couple of years ago . . . .
> C'est la vie, I guess.
>
> -Joe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Michael Vance
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:31 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
>
> One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still 
> spent a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio 
> stations.  You could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic 
> and weather on the 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55, 
> national network news at the top of the hour, and mix of local and 
> national highlights at the bottom.  It was almost like comfort food when 
> driving back to Chicago from Michigan, and was especially frustrating 
> when they have carried various sports teams over the years and that 
> disrupts the traffic report schedule.  But I think that even those have 
> changed some just in the six years that I've been in Indianapolis.  I 
> don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough when I'm back up in Chicago 
> (my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put my finger on it though.
>
> -Michael
>
> Mike Nolan wrote:
>   
>>> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it draws
>>> listeners. 
>>>     
>>>       
>> Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or
>>     
> watching
>   
>> it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.
>>
>> I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, because 
>> there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  Even the
>>     
> local
>   
>> morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except maybe 
>> for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM radio
>> at 6:30 AM!)
>>
>> These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now
>> work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway 
>> show tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
>> --
>> Mike Nolan
>>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Jan 17 14:15:36 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 17 14:16:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
Message-ID: <831169859-1232223336-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-464150118-@bxe205.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Yes. The NY Giants always had a bunch of away games to start the season when they played at Yankee Stadium while the Yankees were always going to the WS. Of course I was joking about the cubs but nonetheless I like the idea

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Mike Nolan
To: hakirsch@aol.com
Cc: Trey McAdams
Cc: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Jan 17, 2009 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley

> Of course we would have to schedule the game in november to avoid the obvious risk of the Cubs being in the World Series

As one who remembers very well when there were Bears games at Wrigley, 
there was never enough padding on the outfield wall and I recall a few 
football players who got injured when they crashed into the wall at 
full speed.

The Bears and the Cubs dealt with the possibility of a schedule confclit
for years (though the Cubs seldom made it a serious concern and the NFL 
season didn't start as early then as it does now), all you really need 
to avoid is the first 3 weeks or so of October.  The pitchers always 
grumbled about having to throw from a re-built pitcher's mound after 
Bears games were held there, though.

The Trib is set to announce the winning bid for the Cubs in the next
week or so.  (One of the three finalists is the Ricketts family from
Omaha, founders of AmeriTrade, it must be tough to be the 2nd richest
family in the state and TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars out of first place.)  
I wonder if that decision will factor into this?
--
Mike Nolan


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Jan 17 15:24:30 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 17 15:24:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
Message-ID: <d64.2ecbe74f.36a3a68e@aol.com>

That would be a nightmare I am afraid.  About tickets to the "cocktail  
party" each school is given half and they are offered first to season ticket  
holders by seniority, they are usually sold out this way.
 
 
In a message dated 1/17/2009 12:26:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
neonrye@aol.com writes:

NU--Florida (I can dream, can't  I?:-))


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 17 15:26:40 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan 17 15:26:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
In-Reply-To: <121353.22576.qm@web52212.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <547867.12712.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'm not wild about the idea for a couple reasons ...

- Wrigley would be an awful place for a college football game. It would be more of a nightmare for people to get to than Dyche by a mile. Parking would be a mess. And cachet would soon wear off. This wouldn't be a one-time hockey event, it would be a regular football game.

- The excitement would die quickly. Football games belong on the college campus with the college environment. The Red River and Cocktail games are the rare exceptions and involve border wars where the tickets are split equally between bitter rivals with huge support on each side. I doubt we would have a 50-50 split with the Illini every year, nor would we fill the stadium every year. From the NU side, with most of our students unable/unwilling to make it, it would be like the early September games with a lot of empty seats. And unless the Ill-whine-I are doing well, the Chicago bandwagoners wouldn't show either.

It just sounds too gimmicky to me. I don't really see many Big Ten games able to do this (maybe OSU-PSU in Pittsburgh/Cleveland, but that would suck compared to the annual White Out or 'Shoe classics of recent years). Illinois-Mizzou is starting to build their tradition because St. Louis is a natural meeting point and it's a pretty even split (they still need some rivalry and fire, though, and consistent success).

A Wrigley game would be neat for one year, then start to lose luster at a rapid rate. Soldier Field would probably hold on longer with a better environment for football, but even then it would be a half-empty spaceship some years.

Besides, Illinois doesn't really seem to consider us their rival. And we've had more rivalry-like games with Wisky and Iowa in recent years than the Illini - though it is fun to hate the Orange.:)

Now a Badger-Wildcat game in Milwaukee (the "Bub Bowl" for those who know me:) ) ... or a Purdue-NU game in Comiskey Park ... nah!:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sat Jan 17 17:36:30 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sat Jan 17 17:36:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
In-Reply-To: <547867.12712.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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I agree that this is a good idea for a one-time event - given NU's home
attendance problems after one time or two Wrigley will likely follow the
same fate.  While there is the lack of a tailgate environment, the
Wrigleyville bars more than make up for that -as a one time event I think it
will be a neat event.

In terms of an opponent, Illinois is the most logical choice, although NU
will likely have to give up a home game.  I think it's worth it - the
capacity is smaller than Dyche and the excitement for the game should allow
it to fill up.  In terms of a series going forward, I don't think it will
happen given the reasons others have mentioned.

And I don't see NU reeling in another nonconference opponent soon given that
even NU's schedule is pretty well set for the next 2-3 years with other
opponents scheduled beyond that.  It will be very difficult to bring in a
specific school in such a short amount of time.  [And for those wanting a
deal done with ND, sorry to tell you, but it ain't going to happen, at least
not in the forseeable future - NU is striving to get 7 home games a season,
and ND's insistance on games in South Bend or neutral sites to fill up with
their own fans; i.e. their game against Washington State in San Antonio next
year.]

Jonathan

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 3:26 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> I'm not wild about the idea for a couple reasons ...
>
> - Wrigley would be an awful place for a college football game. It would be
> more of a nightmare for people to get to than Dyche by a mile. Parking would
> be a mess. And cachet would soon wear off. This wouldn't be a one-time
> hockey event, it would be a regular football game.
>
> - The excitement would die quickly. Football games belong on the college
> campus with the college environment. The Red River and Cocktail games are
> the rare exceptions and involve border wars where the tickets are split
> equally between bitter rivals with huge support on each side. I doubt we
> would have a 50-50 split with the Illini every year, nor would we fill the
> stadium every year. From the NU side, with most of our students
> unable/unwilling to make it, it would be like the early September games with
> a lot of empty seats. And unless the Ill-whine-I are doing well, the Chicago
> bandwagoners wouldn't show either.
>
> It just sounds too gimmicky to me. I don't really see many Big Ten games
> able to do this (maybe OSU-PSU in Pittsburgh/Cleveland, but that would suck
> compared to the annual White Out or 'Shoe classics of recent years).
> Illinois-Mizzou is starting to build their tradition because St. Louis is a
> natural meeting point and it's a pretty even split (they still need some
> rivalry and fire, though, and consistent success).
>
> A Wrigley game would be neat for one year, then start to lose luster at a
> rapid rate. Soldier Field would probably hold on longer with a better
> environment for football, but even then it would be a half-empty spaceship
> some years.
>
> Besides, Illinois doesn't really seem to consider us their rival. And we've
> had more rivalry-like games with Wisky and Iowa in recent years than the
> Illini - though it is fun to hate the Orange.:)
>
> Now a Badger-Wildcat game in Milwaukee (the "Bub Bowl" for those who know
> me:) ) ... or a Purdue-NU game in Comiskey Park ... nah!:)
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
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> sjtruog@yahoo.com
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>
>
>
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 17 18:49:25 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Jan 17 18:49:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats at Wrigley
Message-ID: <30417633.1232239765829.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

A positively brilliant idea. It will absolutely work. People will want to go. It will sell out easily. It's Wrigley - that in itself is all people will need to know. They'll want to be there, both for nostalgic reasons (for those who remember the Bears' days there) as well as for the simple ""Wrigley Field is cool" factor. Get it done, Phillips!  -- Jim B.

From dale.kipp at matweb.com  Sat Jan 17 19:59:38 2009
From: dale.kipp at matweb.com (Dale Kipp)
Date: Sat Jan 17 20:00:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
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I'd be worried about losing home field advantage, such as it is at Ryan/Dyche, so I would require a two year plan where both NU and UofI would be the 'home' team.  But I'm not so sure that UofI would go for that so other teams may be better choices.
 
Trivia which I've heard and sounds plausible when you think about it:  Wrigley Field has hosted more professional football games than any other stadium in use.
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan 17 21:08:40 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan 17 21:08:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
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Even worse was the Jet's contract for Shea which barred the Jets from any
home games until after the Series just in case the Mets made it.

Shea had that funky sliding sideline that could move back and forth for
football, but the Mets didn't want anything changed until they were out of
the series.

It was one reason why the Jets played so many home games in November and
December when they were heading for the playoffs, and why they were able to
win so many games late.

Joe Namath had figured out the winds in Shea, and nobody else did.

rsl

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley

Yes. The NY Giants always had a bunch of away games to start the season when
they played at Yankee Stadium while the Yankees were always going to the WS.
Of course I was joking about the cubs but nonetheless I like the idea

Harry


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Date: Sun Jan 18 03:46:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
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I think Wrigley is a great idea for perhaps a one off but not a permanent
site for Illinois and moving the series to Soldier Field permanently means
we give up home field to the Illini in perpetuity.  The bozos in Champaign
may not see it that way, but it's clear to me that they based on our
attendance now, they would draw 70% of the stadium every year.

To answer Michael's question, the Cotton Bowl and Jaguar's stadium (whatever
corporate name it has) are divided equally between the schools every year.
The only impact the home team has is in the color of the uniforms and maybe
the locker room.  The stadium owner bids for the game and guarantees a
number to the schools each year, divided equally between them.

No reason that couldn't work for Wrigley if Phillips wanted to pursue it but
I would rather it be a more limited option and use it as home game with a
nonconference opponent in an attempt to draw in Chicago fans.
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On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> Even worse was the Jet's contract for Shea which barred the Jets from any
> home games until after the Series just in case the Mets made it.
>
> Shea had that funky sliding sideline that could move back and forth for
> football, but the Mets didn't want anything changed until they were out of
> the series.
>
> It was one reason why the Jets played so many home games in November and
> December when they were heading for the playoffs, and why they were able to
> win so many games late.
>
> Joe Namath had figured out the winds in Shea, and nobody else did.
>
> rsl
>
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> Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
>
> Yes. The NY Giants always had a bunch of away games to start the season
> when
> they played at Yankee Stadium while the Yankees were always going to the
> WS.
> Of course I was joking about the cubs but nonetheless I like the idea
>
> Harry
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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Sun Jan 18 07:45:43 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Sun Jan 18 07:48:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?
Message-ID: <20090118.074543.7031.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

On alternate years:
vs. Wisconsin at Wrigley and Miller
vs. MSU at Wrigely and COMA
vs. Purdue at Wrigley and Cell
vs. Ill-whine-I at Wrigley and Cell
vs. Rice at Wrigely and Minute Maid
vs. Stanford at Wrigley and Candlestick's replacement
vs. BC at Wrigley and Fenway -- that would be a draw!!!!

I actually like the Wisconsin one the best, but for total BANG the BC series would be pres galore and since neither of us draw squat in regards to fans it might improve attendanced.

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan 18 08:21:07 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Jan 18 08:21:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?
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I love the concept.

Last year two Legion teams played a regular game in the Blue Rocks minor
league stadium. I think we drew about 500 fans for the game played on a
Sunday afternoon (in 95 degree heat). 

Of course because of the funding of the park, we can play a game there for
$100. I doubt Wrigley would be that "cheap"

FWIW - the Big 10 Saturday games are all double headers. That would be a
trip.

rsl

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On alternate years:
vs. Wisconsin at Wrigley and Miller
vs. MSU at Wrigely and COMA
vs. Purdue at Wrigley and Cell
vs. Ill-whine-I at Wrigley and Cell
vs. Rice at Wrigely and Minute Maid
vs. Stanford at Wrigley and Candlestick's replacement
vs. BC at Wrigley and Fenway -- that would be a draw!!!!

I actually like the Wisconsin one the best, but for total BANG the BC series
would be pres galore and since neither of us draw squat in regards to fans
it might improve attendanced.

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Jan 18 08:48:54 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun Jan 18 08:49:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?
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Actually it probably would be fairly cheap given that it is "found" money for whomever will end up owning Wrigley. They make all of their money on watered down beer anyway. 

I like the idea.  It will help establish NU as a Chicago team. 

Jeff

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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?

I love the concept.

Last year two Legion teams played a regular game in the Blue Rocks minor
league stadium. I think we drew about 500 fans for the game played on a
Sunday afternoon (in 95 degree heat). 

Of course because of the funding of the park, we can play a game there for
$100. I doubt Wrigley would be that "cheap"

FWIW - the Big 10 Saturday games are all double headers. That would be a
trip.

rsl

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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:46 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?

On alternate years:
vs. Wisconsin at Wrigley and Miller
vs. MSU at Wrigely and COMA
vs. Purdue at Wrigley and Cell
vs. Ill-whine-I at Wrigley and Cell
vs. Rice at Wrigely and Minute Maid
vs. Stanford at Wrigley and Candlestick's replacement
vs. BC at Wrigley and Fenway -- that would be a draw!!!!

I actually like the Wisconsin one the best, but for total BANG the BC series
would be pres galore and since neither of us draw squat in regards to fans
it might improve attendanced.

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Jan 18 09:12:19 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun Jan 18 09:12:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?
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Your experience proves the point. 

The whole idea behind event marketing is the make the experience unique. A college football game at Wrigley would qualify. 

If done right it will create more press than a "normal" game. It will attract people who wouldn't otherwise think of traveling to Evanston. Some will have a good enough time that they WILL give Evanston a try. Some will fall in love with NU in the same way you did.

QED

BTW winning will help a lot too.

Jeff

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From: hudhaifa3@aim.com 
To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports@tssi.com 
Sent: Sun Jan 18 09:56:55 2009
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series? 


Let's be honest who actually goes to College Baseball Games?
Peoria played the Kane County Cougars last year but that is the first game I can remember being played at Wrigley for a long time.

As for Northwestern ever being a Chicago team that won't happen either. How many people do you meet that say they are Northwestern fans if they don't go to school there.  And it really shows during the non-conference schedule when you can't get 20,000 in the place.

I grew up in the suburbs and my aunt went to Iowa, so we went to the NU-Hawks game every other year. I fell in love with the Wildcats. But for the most part I would say that is very rare.......


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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 8:48 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?


Actually it probably would be fairly cheap given that it is "found" money for 
whomever will end up owning Wrigley. They make all of their money on watered 
down beer anyway. 

I like the idea.  It will help establish NU as a Chicago team. 

Jeff

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<nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sun Jan 18 09:21:07 2009
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?

I love the concept.

Last year two Legion teams played a regular game in the Blue Rocks minor
league stadium. I think we drew about 500 fans for the game played on a
Sunday afternoon (in 95 degree heat). 

Of course because of the funding of the park, we can play a game there for
$100. I doubt Wrigley would be that "cheap"

FWIW - the Big 10 Saturday games are all double headers. That would be a
trip.

rsl

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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 8:46 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?

On alternate years:
vs. Wisconsin at Wrigley and Miller
vs. MSU at Wrigely and COMA
vs. Purdue at Wrigley and Cell
vs. Ill-whine-I at Wrigley and Cell
vs. Rice at Wrigely and Minute Maid
vs. Stanford at Wrigley and Candlestick's replacement
vs. BC at Wrigley and Fenway -- that would be a draw!!!!

I actually like the Wisconsin one the best, but for total BANG the BC series
would be pres galore and since neither of us draw squat in regards to fans
it might improve attendanced.

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Jan 18 09:22:37 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan 18 09:23:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?
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After I graduated I met a number of people who had grown up in the north shore during the 60's and 70's who rooted for the Cats because they remember their father taking them to games as a kid. Though I suspect only a few became hard core fans

Having grown up in Boston I rooted for BC but I only attended one game when they beat holy cross 5-3 (yes that was a football game)

Harry
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Your experience proves the point. 

The whole idea behind event marketing is the make the experience unique. A college football game at Wrigley would qualify. 

If done right it will create more press than a "normal" game. It will attract people who wouldn't otherwise think of traveling to Evanston. Some will have a good enough time that they WILL give Evanston a try. Some will fall in love with NU in the same way you did.

QED

BTW winning will help a lot too.

Jeff

________________________________

From: hudhaifa3@aim.com 
To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports@tssi.com 
Sent: Sun Jan 18 09:56:55 2009
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series? 


Let's be honest who actually goes to College Baseball Games?
Peoria played the Kane County Cougars last year but that is the first game I can remember being played at Wrigley for a long time.

As for Northwestern ever being a Chicago team that won't happen either. How many people do you meet that say they are Northwestern fans if they don't go to school there.  And it really shows during the non-conference schedule when you can't get 20,000 in the place.

I grew up in the suburbs and my aunt went to Iowa, so we went to the NU-Hawks game every other year. I fell in love with the Wildcats. But for the most part I would say that is very rare.......


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From: Beamsley, Jeff <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 8:48 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?


Actually it probably would be fairly cheap given that it is "found" money for 
whomever will end up owning Wrigley. They make all of their money on watered 
down beer anyway. 

I like the idea.  It will help establish NU as a Chicago team. 

Jeff

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To: mlinhardt@netzero.com <mlinhardt@netzero.com>; nwu-sports@tssi.com 
<nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sun Jan 18 09:21:07 2009
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?

I love the concept.

Last year two Legion teams played a regular game in the Blue Rocks minor
league stadium. I think we drew about 500 fans for the game played on a
Sunday afternoon (in 95 degree heat). 

Of course because of the funding of the park, we can play a game there for
$100. I doubt Wrigley would be that "cheap"

FWIW - the Big 10 Saturday games are all double headers. That would be a
trip.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?

On alternate years:
vs. Wisconsin at Wrigley and Miller
vs. MSU at Wrigely and COMA
vs. Purdue at Wrigley and Cell
vs. Ill-whine-I at Wrigley and Cell
vs. Rice at Wrigely and Minute Maid
vs. Stanford at Wrigley and Candlestick's replacement
vs. BC at Wrigley and Fenway -- that would be a draw!!!!

I actually like the Wisconsin one the best, but for total BANG the BC series
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it might improve attendanced.

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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jan 18 10:15:14 2009
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Sun Jan 18 10:15:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Football Scheduling
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Rivals has an interesting piece on scheduling at

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=900048.

In it, the case is made that having "quality" non-conference opponents
enhances the chances of getting to the championship game.  Cal, Arizona
State, and tOSU are given as examples.

Fitz is quoted in the article as saying:

"It's in our best interest to play schools that are academically similar to
us," Northwestern coach Pat Fitzgerald said. "Those games give us the
opportunity to compete. And we want to have as many home games as possible."


That's reasonable. But soft non-conference schedules could cost the
Wildcats, or any other team with a similar approach to scheduling, to miss a
shot at the national championship. 

"At the end of the day, if you have a Big Ten championship I believe you'll
be in a great game," Fitzgerald said. 

Good news for our future schedules, as we're seeing the likes of Rice,
Vandy, Stanford, and BC return.

 

From cyril at alumni.northwestern.edu  Sun Jan 18 10:54:01 2009
From: cyril at alumni.northwestern.edu (Cyril S. Ku)
Date: Sun Jan 18 10:54:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] OT: inauguration interviews
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Hi Jim,

I just finished watching you on WABC-TV Channel 7 (New York). When Diana Williams introduced your segment, she said "this man knows about inauguration like John Madden knows about football". I am sure you know more about Wildcat football than John Madden.

One thing I am impressed - how can you remember all these presidents and the years? I have a hard time to remember the birthdates of my relatives.

Thanks again for your book. I am going to order the latest one.

Cyril Ku

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Subject: [NU Sports] OT: inauguration interviews

I'm in DC now for the inauguration. In case some of you are interested, here are some upcoming scheduled appearances (all of these are Eastern time):

Friday night: Bloomberg TV at 9:45 pm
Saturday: Fox News Channel at 5:05 pm
Sunday: CBS Sunday Morning show -- 9 am in DC,? times may vary in different time zones
Sunday: MSNBC at 4:30 pm

Only in New York City:
Sunday at 11 am on WABC-TV Channel 7

Only in Washington, DC:
Monday at 8:30 am local Fox channel 5

Jim B.

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From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Jan 18 11:29:55 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Jan 18 11:30:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Football Scheduling
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Stepping stones.  If and when the program gets to the point where we are 
consistently beating those teams home and away, then we can take the 
next step and work on scheduling non-con games with more of the BCS 
conference state schools.  I think that at this point, the best mix of 
games for our non-con schedule is:

-One Div I-AA, but only if we have to.  I don't like it, but if everyone 
else is chalking up a win here and getting to count it every year, we 
need to, also.  Always at home, but someone with a strong local draw 
like SIU or Northern Iowa to increase ticket revenue would be ideal.
-One against another "Brain Bowl" school.  Home-and-home against those 
in the BCS conferences, 2-for-1 against Rice or other non-BCS conference 
schools.
-One against a MAC school or some other Div I-A with a strong local draw 
to increase the gate receipts. All at home or 2-for-1.
-One against another non-power BCS conference school.  Of course, these 
are scheduled so far in advance that it's possible that a "non-power" 
school will have a strong year when we play them, but that's the risk.  
Home-and-home, probably.

Other ideas?

-Michael

Evans Schoeman wrote:
> Rivals has an interesting piece on scheduling at
>
> http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=900048.
>
> In it, the case is made that having "quality" non-conference opponents
> enhances the chances of getting to the championship game.  Cal, Arizona
> State, and tOSU are given as examples.
>
> Fitz is quoted in the article as saying:
>
> "It's in our best interest to play schools that are academically similar to
> us," Northwestern coach Pat Fitzgerald said. "Those games give us the
> opportunity to compete. And we want to have as many home games as possible."
>
>
> That's reasonable. But soft non-conference schedules could cost the
> Wildcats, or any other team with a similar approach to scheduling, to miss a
> shot at the national championship. 
>
> "At the end of the day, if you have a Big Ten championship I believe you'll
> be in a great game," Fitzgerald said. 
>
> Good news for our future schedules, as we're seeing the likes of Rice,
> Vandy, Stanford, and BC return.
>
>  
>
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From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 11:59:18 2009
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Sun Jan 18 11:59:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] East-West Shrine
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Unsure if anyone had mentioned this previously, but I happen to catch a rebroadcast of the East-West Shrine/senior all-star game from Houston on what I assume was ESPN/ESPN2.

Late in the third quarter, Tyrell Sutton ran for a touchdown.  I thought the play immediately preceding his touchdown run, Sutton caught a pass out of the backfield but I'm guessing it must have been a run as well as the box doesn't show Sutton having caught the ball.

http://sports.miamiherald.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=miami2&page=cfoot/scores/final/boxscore.aspx?GAMEID=24044

I wouldn't go hunting for it on rebroadcasts, but it was nice to see someone from NU getting some face time with the camera (and playing well while doing so).

I also liked how many representatives of the schools came with extra helmet logos to pass out to anyone who wanted one (so you might see a guy in a Nebraska helmet, say, with a Northwestern N on his helmet next to a FSU spear next to ... you get the idea.)

Game story on the NU site
http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/011709aab.html

GO 'CATS!

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Jan 18 13:47:18 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan 18 13:48:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?
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Jim Phillips said at NYC event he is one of the youngsters you describe. His dad took him to Dyxhe as a kid.
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?


After I graduated I met a number of people who had grown up in the north shore during the 60's and 70's who rooted for the Cats because they remember their father taking them to games as a kid. Though I suspect only a few became hard core fans

Having grown up in Boston I rooted for BC but I only attended one game when they beat holy cross 5-3 (yes that was a football game)

Harry
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:12:19 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?


Your experience proves the point. 

The whole idea behind event marketing is the make the experience unique. A college football game at Wrigley would qualify. 

If done right it will create more press than a "normal" game. It will attract people who wouldn't otherwise think of traveling to Evanston. Some will have a good enough time that they WILL give Evanston a try. Some will fall in love with NU in the same way you did.

QED

BTW winning will help a lot too.

Jeff

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From: hudhaifa3@aim.com 
To: Beamsley, Jeff; nwu-sports@tssi.com 
Sent: Sun Jan 18 09:56:55 2009
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series? 


Let's be honest who actually goes to College Baseball Games?
Peoria played the Kane County Cougars last year but that is the first game I can remember being played at Wrigley for a long time.

As for Northwestern ever being a Chicago team that won't happen either. How many people do you meet that say they are Northwestern fans if they don't go to school there.  And it really shows during the non-conference schedule when you can't get 20,000 in the place.

I grew up in the suburbs and my aunt went to Iowa, so we went to the NU-Hawks game every other year. I fell in love with the Wildcats. But for the most part I would say that is very rare.......


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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 8:48 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] How about a Baseball series?


Actually it probably would be fairly cheap given that it is "found" money for 
whomever will end up owning Wrigley. They make all of their money on watered 
down beer anyway. 

I like the idea.  It will help establish NU as a Chicago team. 

Jeff

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I love the concept.

Last year two Legion teams played a regular game in the Blue Rocks minor
league stadium. I think we drew about 500 fans for the game played on a
Sunday afternoon (in 95 degree heat). 

Of course because of the funding of the park, we can play a game there for
$100. I doubt Wrigley would be that "cheap"

FWIW - the Big 10 Saturday games are all double headers. That would be a
trip.

rsl

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On alternate years:
vs. Wisconsin at Wrigley and Miller
vs. MSU at Wrigely and COMA
vs. Purdue at Wrigley and Cell
vs. Ill-whine-I at Wrigley and Cell
vs. Rice at Wrigely and Minute Maid
vs. Stanford at Wrigley and Candlestick's replacement
vs. BC at Wrigley and Fenway -- that would be a draw!!!!

I actually like the Wisconsin one the best, but for total BANG the BC series
would be pres galore and since neither of us draw squat in regards to fans
it might improve attendanced.

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Jan 18 15:01:50 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun Jan 18 15:03:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win..Cats win...Cats win
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Great to have a game like this big 74-65 comeback win over nationally ranked Minn, but especially after the heartbreaker at home against nationally ranked Purdue the other night.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan 18 15:06:48 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Jan 18 15:06:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!
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I figured it out: 

I can't change the channel when the Cats are winning.

Bye Bye #19 Gophers Cat's win at home.

This is our house....

Well you know.

rsl

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Jan 18 15:36:28 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan 18 15:37:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!
Message-ID: <ced.4dc1e436.36a4fadc@aol.com>

Can I say it:
Minnesota was cold
 
 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 16:21:08 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Jan 18 16:21:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!
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As Motel Kamzoil so famously said [sang],
 
Wonder of wonders miracle of miracles,
Cats took up winning once again.
Didn't stand around and miracle of miracles
They won their first in the Big Ten.

Wonder of wonders miracle of miracles,
Bill put in Nash to get rebounds.
He ripped the boards and miracle of miracles,
For once they did not look like clowns.

When Moore he softened Carmody's heart, that was a miracle.
When Thompson made the defense fall apart, that was a miracle too.
But of all Bill's miracles large and small, 
The most miraculous one of all
Is that out of some guys who can't much play
Bill has made a team today!

OK, that's their annual upset.  What happens next?

From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sun Jan 18 16:30:43 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sun Jan 18 16:30:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF067B3AED@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

First, kudos. Very clever. 
 Second: check back with me when Cats win two straight Big Ten games. If that ever happens again in my lifetime.  


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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!

As Motel Kamzoil so famously said [sang],
 
Wonder of wonders miracle of miracles,
Cats took up winning once again.
Didn't stand around and miracle of miracles
They won their first in the Big Ten.

Wonder of wonders miracle of miracles,
Bill put in Nash to get rebounds.
He ripped the boards and miracle of miracles,
For once they did not look like clowns.

When Moore he softened Carmody's heart, that was a miracle.
When Thompson made the defense fall apart, that was a miracle too.
But of all Bill's miracles large and small, 
The most miraculous one of all
Is that out of some guys who can't much play
Bill has made a team today!

OK, that's their annual upset.  What happens next?

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan 18 18:14:15 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Jan 18 18:14:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!
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Jerry Bock is jumping in his grave.!

Great rewriting of the lyrics.!

I'll never hear those words again without thinking of today's win.

For those who bet on games...
"if I was a rich man..."

rsl


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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:21 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!

As Motel Kamzoil so famously said [sang],
 
Wonder of wonders miracle of miracles,
Cats took up winning once again.
Didn't stand around and miracle of miracles
They won their first in the Big Ten.

Wonder of wonders miracle of miracles,
Bill put in Nash to get rebounds.
He ripped the boards and miracle of miracles,
For once they did not look like clowns.

When Moore he softened Carmody's heart, that was a miracle.
When Thompson made the defense fall apart, that was a miracle too.
But of all Bill's miracles large and small, 
The most miraculous one of all
Is that out of some guys who can't much play
Bill has made a team today!

OK, that's their annual upset.  What happens next?

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan 18 18:17:00 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Jan 18 18:16:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!
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For another observation....

The Hawks lost to Purdooo by 20 today. I can see at least 4 more wins before
the tournament.

This against a Big 10 that is conserved much improved this year.

Go Cats....remember that we're staring Frosh.!

rsl

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Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
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Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:21 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
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As Motel Kamzoil so famously said [sang],
 
Wonder of wonders miracle of miracles,
Cats took up winning once again.
Didn't stand around and miracle of miracles
They won their first in the Big Ten.

Wonder of wonders miracle of miracles,
Bill put in Nash to get rebounds.
He ripped the boards and miracle of miracles,
For once they did not look like clowns.

When Moore he softened Carmody's heart, that was a miracle.
When Thompson made the defense fall apart, that was a miracle too.
But of all Bill's miracles large and small, 
The most miraculous one of all
Is that out of some guys who can't much play
Bill has made a team today!

OK, that's their annual upset.  What happens next?

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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 18:55:23 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sun Jan 18 18:55:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!
Message-ID: <011920090055.26121.4973CF7A000D5C2F000066092212059214090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Tragically, Abrahamson is probably correct.  This is more likely to be like the time a few years ago when NU beat Indiana coached by Knight and it proved to be NU's one Big Ten win.  Shortly thereafter if I recall, NU's best player transferred to Kansas pointing out that NU thinks it has had a good season if they win one game. Carmody has to go and NU has to pay the necssry bucks to get a super star coach like Tubby Smith. 

John DeGroat 
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> First, kudos. Very clever. 
>  Second: check back with me when Cats win two straight Big Ten games. If that 
> ever happens again in my lifetime.  
> 
> 
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> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com <nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Sent: Sun Jan 18 17:21:08 2009
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!
> 
> As Motel Kamzoil so famously said [sang],
>  
> Wonder of wonders miracle of miracles,
> Cats took up winning once again.
> Didn't stand around and miracle of miracles
> They won their first in the Big Ten.
> 
> Wonder of wonders miracle of miracles,
> Bill put in Nash to get rebounds.
> He ripped the boards and miracle of miracles,
> For once they did not look like clowns.
> 
> When Moore he softened Carmody's heart, that was a miracle.
> When Thompson made the defense fall apart, that was a miracle too.
> But of all Bill's miracles large and small, 
> The most miraculous one of all
> Is that out of some guys who can't much play
> Bill has made a team today!
> 
> OK, that's their annual upset.  What happens next?
> 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan 18 19:28:42 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Jan 18 19:28:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!
References: <000a01c979b0$ad96dc80$08c49580$@com>
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<Jerry Bock is jumping in his grave.!

And Johann Sebastian Bach is rolling over in his.  Probably feeling a little nauseous, too.
From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Jan 18 19:44:31 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan 18 19:45:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!
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 Coach Roy,

It isn't very often that you get one wrong, but this time you did.

Jerry Bock was the Composer (of the music) for Fiddler On The Roof.?? The Lyricist was none other than our fellow distinguished 'Cat alumnus--Sheldon Harnick--whom I have had the pleasure of meeting a couple of times and telling him how much the songs from that wonderful show have meant to me.? He is a wonderful man and is very loyal to, and supportive of, NU.

As an aside, great job Dennis.? However, I think the song to cite here from Fiddler is "Tradition"--and we don't have one in Mens' Hoops, except constant and unbearable losing I am afraid.? Sorry to be such a pessimist, but not having seen the game (no Big Ten Network option) and figuring this is a one-shot deal, I still expect a lot of "L's" the rest of the way.

Paul Levinson


 


 

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To: 'Dennis W. Brandt' <tbng@comcast.net>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 7:14 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!










Jerry Bock is jumping in his grave.!

Great rewriting of the lyrics.!

I'll never hear those words again without thinking of today's win.

For those who bet on games...
"if I was a rich man..."

rsl


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Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 5:21 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] FINALLY!!!

As Motel Kamzoil so famously said [sang],
 
Wonder of wonders miracle of miracles,
Cats took up winning once again.
Didn't stand around and miracle of miracles
They won their first in the Big Ten.

Wonder of wonders miracle of miracles,
Bill put in Nash to get rebounds.
He ripped the boards and miracle of miracles,
For once they did not look like clowns.

When Moore he softened Carmody's heart, that was a miracle.
When Thompson made the defense fall apart, that was a miracle too.
But of all Bill's miracles large and small, 
The most miraculous one of all
Is that out of some guys who can't much play
Bill has made a team today!

OK, that's their annual upset.  What happens next?

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From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 18 21:56:20 2009
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Sun Jan 18 21:56:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz has a new job
Message-ID: <691758.63758.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I can't imagine why he was selected but ...

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2009/01/quinn-names-rya.html

Thanks to fellow lister Brad Wilson for pointing this out to me (and forgive me if he already sent it to the list; I'm in digest.)

GO CATS!
Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey@yahoo.com


      

From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Jan 18 22:38:43 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan 18 22:39:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz has a new job
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 The selection of Fitz to this Committee of 15 Illinois citizens charged with coming up with reform proposals is a testament to our HC's standing in the community and the moral authority he brings to the team and the University.? We should all be proud of him.? I know I am.? And this is just another indication of how firmly Coach Fitz is tethered to Illinois, Evanston, Chicagoland and NU.? A very, very good sign indeed. He is a class act, and this is just another step in hopefully making him into our Purple Joe Pa.

Paul Levinson


 


 

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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 10:56 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz has a new job










I can't imagine why he was selected but ...

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2009/01/quinn-names-rya.html

Thanks to fellow lister Brad Wilson for pointing this out to me (and forgive me 
if he already sent it to the list; I'm in digest.)

GO CATS!
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 13:01:07 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 19 13:01:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] well, Alan,
	if the 'Cats win 2 BT games in a row this time ...
Message-ID: <779582.13721.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


... it will be awesome, as the next game is in Izzo-land. 

bw



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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 13:06:11 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 19 13:06:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] football non-league scheduling
Message-ID: <979598.54848.qm@web51302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I would say:

one I-AA game, but against a bad team. No more New Hampshires. Grab the cheap win. (always at home)

one MAC-type team. (this would include San Jose State or the like) Or substitute a service academy. (always at home except home-and-home with service academy)

one Brain Bowl (Dook, Vandy, Cal, Stanford, Rice, Wake, BC) (home and home)

one good, solid test against a mid-level BCS-league team. Possibilities: Missouri, Oregon State, Pittsburgh, North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Rutgers, South Carolina. (home and home)

I would gladly play N*** D*** in a home-and-home. Otherwise, no. 

bw


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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Mon Jan 19 13:06:20 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Mon Jan 19 13:06:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] well, Alan,
	if the 'Cats win 2 BT games in a row this time ...
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF067B3AF5@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Yes, that would be awesome. 
 And if the AZ Cardinals can make the Super Bowl, anything is possible. 
 Like Northwestern making the Rose Bowl, for instance. 
 Or Northwestern winning back to back Big Ten games. 
 Unless some things are even more improbable than others. 


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Subject: [NU Sports] well, Alan,if the 'Cats win 2 BT games in a row this time ...


... it will be awesome, as the next game is in Izzo-land. 

bw



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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 19 13:11:43 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Mon Jan 19 13:11:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] well, Alan,
	if the 'Cats win 2 BT games in a row this time ...
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF067B3AF5@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
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I think the latter might be the least likely of those, eh? 

If there's any coach in the country who has defending the Princeton style down it is Izzo. (Rollie Massimino also was very good at it.)

bw

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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Mon Jan 19 21:03:44 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 19 21:03:58 2009
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
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? I listen to WGN 720 frequently, as well as WBBM and occasionally WLS.? When I lived in Elgin, Ill. 79-81, I would pull in KYW 1060 to pull in Harry Kalas and my Fightin' Phils; it would drive my buddies nuts!!? KYW would come in clear as a bell after 8,9 PM.

? GO CATS!!?????????? ELK


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I was in Atlanta last year for a convetion the day the tragic shooting happened at Northern Illinois. Tuned my Hertz car rental radio into 720 and WGN came in clear as a local station!?
?
Also became hooked on this one that I listen to now quite often online. Thank goodness of AM distant signals, never would have known about this gem...?
?
http://www.wsmonline.com/?
?
Roy Lamberton wrote:?
> I may be the furthest NU fan who listens to WGN off the air on Wednesday?
> nights to hear the Cats Play.?
>?
> My wife and I sing in a choir in Germantown, MD, and we practice from 7:30 -?
> 9PM Wednesday nights. Cat games usually start about 8:30 EST so I usually?
> can hear from halftime on. I also can hear Kaplan and Fitz when he makes an?
> appearance too.?
>?
> WGN starts banging into the DC area just about sunset, and the signal holds?
> up until I cross the Bay Bridge when some foreign language oldies station?
> knocks it down. The two signals fight it out until I reach home which means?
> I'm usually PO'd because I couldn't hear all of BC's post game remarks.?
>?
> I can also pick up WGN on US13 heading down from Wilmington at night, no?
> power lines near the road helps.?
>?
> And yes, I can get WLS and WMAQ AND WBBM loud and clear while driving on the?
> beltway also. What is funny is that while I can listen to Charolotte,?
> Chicago, Rochester, Pittsburgh and Philly on the beltway, I can't get many?
> Baltimore AM's and only 2 DC stations, WMAL and WTNT. >?
> Still, it's fun listening to the weather from Chicago, and the times on the?
> roads. It seems the times from here to there don't change much, but then?
> neither does anything else in Chicago.?
>?
> TTFN?
>?
> rsl >?
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++?
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.?
> Computer Applications & Support Associates?
> -------------------- Also ----------------------?
> Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)?
> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball?
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]?
> Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - > Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68?
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> A Few Basic Truths:?
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> -----Original Message-----?
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On?
> Behalf Of Joe Thiegs?
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:30 PM?
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com?
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread?
>?
> I would guess you might be able to pick up WBBM at night from Indianapolis.?
> I know late at night (particularly on a clear night with a straight shot to?
> the ionosphere) I can pick up WBBM, WGN, WSCR, and WLS on the car radio in?
> varying degrees of clarity, depending on where I am around the Twin Cities,?
> ~400 miles away. I do get nostalgic listening to things like the traffic?
> reported in minutes from the Post Office. :) Similarly, when I was in?
> college, I could pick up WCCO (830-AM) and--less frequently or clearly--KSTP?
> (1500-AM) late at night too. I remember listening to a few Gopher games on?
> 'CCO from a boombox in my room at Sig Ep. Gotta love those clear-channel?
> (not "Clear Channel Communications") stations.?
>?
> I like to claim credit for the satellite radio idea, but don't think that I?
> will get any. My freshman year at NU ('92-'93), I started missing the?
> morning show from a Twin Cities station (KQRS-92.5 FM, a/k/a KQ92), since?
> there was nothing quite like it in Chicago--and, I have since found, nothing?
> quite like it anywhere. I started thinking about ways that favorite local?
> radio shows could be broadcast to people wherever they were and came up with?
> satellite signals and mobile receivers as the solution (mind you, this was a?
> couple of years before graphical web browsing--e.g., using NCSA Mosaic--and?
> well before any kind of streaming online media). As an electrical?
> engineering major at the time, I really should have pursued the idea but?
> didn't. I think the patent rights for Sirius and XM go back to 1995 or so,?
> as I believe I recall from having checked a couple of years ago . . . .?
> C'est la vie, I guess.?
>?
> -Joe?
>?
> -----Original Message-----?
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On?
> Behalf Of Michael Vance?
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:31 PM?
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com?
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread?
>?
> One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still > spent a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio > stations. You could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic > and weather on the 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55, > national network news at the top of the hour, and mix of local and > national highlights at the bottom. It was almost like comfort food when > driving back to Chicago from Michigan, and was especially frustrating > when they have carried various sports teams over the years and that > disrupts the traffic report schedule. But I think that even those have > changed some just in the six years that I've been in Indianapolis. I > don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough when I'm back up in Chicago > (my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put my finger on it though.?
>?
> -Michael?
>?
> Mike Nolan wrote:?
> >>> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it draws?
>>> listeners. >>> >>> >> Isn't that true about ANY media? If nobody is reading, listening or?
>> > watching?
> >> it dies. I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.?
>>?
>> I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, because >> there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music. Even the?
>> > local?
> >> morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except maybe >> for traffic reports. (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM radio?
>> at 6:30 AM!)?
>>?
>> These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now?
>> work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway >> show tunes. Memory, all alone in the moonlight....?
>> --?
>> Mike Nolan?
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Mon Jan 19 21:04:04 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 19 21:04:18 2009
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] well, Alan,
	if the 'Cats win 2 BT games in a row this time ...
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Sent: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 9:57 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] well, Alan, if the 'Cats win 2 BT games in a row this time ...


?? While I understand that talent is "the big idea", maybe our Cats fixed a few problems "between the ears".? We shot free throws well, were aggressive on O and D in the final minutes, and looked like a team striving to win instead of trying not to lose.? Nash was outstanding!
?? Leads vs. Stanford, Penn St. , Butler, Mich. St. Purdue. end up losing; maybe we figured a few things out yesterday.? Let's not get too excited at Mich. St.? I'm anxious to see what happens in the 5 games after Mich. St.? 4 winnable games then a crack at Wisconsin in Evanston.

? GO CATS!!????? Eric


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Subject: [NU Sports] well, Alan, if the 'Cats win 2 BT games in a row this time ...




... it will be awesome, as the next game is in Izzo-land. 

bw



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From scottzel at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 10:02:43 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Tue Jan 20 10:02:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
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Amazing. It has been 23 years since I lived in Chicago and most, if not all,
of those XRT dj names sound familiar.

I remember being at a concert at the Uptown in the early 80's and meeting a
gal who (I think) wanted to impress me by saying she was best friends with
Terri Hemmert. I met Terri at a convention a couple of years later and she
said she'd never heard of the lady. How times change -- imagine these days
saying you know a Chicago radio dj as a pick-up line.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 8:10 AM, Michael Vance <michael.vance@att.net>wrote:

> You're right, Tom.  Not quite as good, but for the most part, corporate
> parent CBS has left them alone, format-wise.  They still play anything that
> could remotely be categorized as rock, with a healthy dose of blues and a
> bit of jazz thrown in.  Richard Milne still does Local Anesthetic,
> highlighting Chicago-area bands.  In addition to Terri Hemmert, Lin Brehmer,
> Frank E. Lee, Tom Marker, Mary Dixon, Marty Lennartz, and Wendy Rice (still
> doing Saturday Morning Flashback, one of the greatest regular radio shows
> ever) are all still around.
>
> -Michael
>
>
> Tom Maycock wrote:
>
>> I'm with your wife on missing WXRT. It's been 24
>>> years!! Is it still as good as it was in 1985?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, not as good as it was, but probably still about as good as gets in
>> commercial rock radio.
>> The format is a fair bit tighter now, but the music is still good. And
>> many of the DJ's--among the best in the business--are still around. And XRT
>> still seems to engender a sense of family or community with its listeners.
>> You can listen online:
>>
>> http://www.93xrt.com/
>>
>> Tom
>>
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Tue Jan 20 10:24:04 2009
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Tue Jan 20 10:24:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
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I know, John!  You'd think someone would have thought of that before, but I
guess not . . . .  ;)  I also don't get any credit for some of my other
original ideas, like the book light.  I remember thinking of that concept,
and then, lo and behold, they came on the market a couple of months later!
I should come up with some other great ideas so they can magically manifest
themselves too.  :)  -Joe


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread

Joe Thiegs deserves a lot of credit for having thought through the concept
of satellite transmission. There were a lot of guys in the telecomunications
business who didn't think of it.
John DeGroat
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From: "Beamsley, Jeff" <Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com>
> I enjoy listening to the Sox on WSCR during the summer, though my
> tolerance for sketchy reception irritates my wife.  I also agree that
> satellite radio has made it much easier to be a Chicago ex-pat.
> 
> Also fun to hear that WXRT is still going strong.  I was fortunate
> enough to be around when they got started as a late night broadcaster on
> a day-time ethnic station.  Those shows inspired me to try my hand at it
> on WNUR.  I suspect most of the management that grew it is probably long
> gone, but it was fun to see that Terri Hammert is still on the air.  I
> think I've still got a jersey somewhere from playing on their flag
> football team.  We were really bad but I think one year we beat WFMT.
> 
> Jeff 
> 
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> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 3:30 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
> 
> I would guess you might be able to pick up WBBM at night from
> Indianapolis.
> I know late at night (particularly on a clear night with a straight shot
> to the ionosphere) I can pick up WBBM, WGN, WSCR, and WLS on the car
> radio in varying degrees of clarity, depending on where I am around the
> Twin Cities, ~400 miles away.  I do get nostalgic listening to things
> like the traffic reported in minutes from the Post Office.  :)
> Similarly, when I was in college, I could pick up WCCO (830-AM)
> and--less frequently or clearly--KSTP
> (1500-AM) late at night too.  I remember listening to a few Gopher games
> on 'CCO from a boombox in my room at Sig Ep.  Gotta love those
> clear-channel (not "Clear Channel Communications") stations.
> 
> I like to claim credit for the satellite radio idea, but don't think
> that I will get any.  My freshman year at NU ('92-'93), I started
> missing the morning show from a Twin Cities station (KQRS-92.5 FM, a/k/a
> KQ92), since there was nothing quite like it in Chicago--and, I have
> since found, nothing quite like it anywhere.  I started thinking about
> ways that favorite local radio shows could be broadcast to people
> wherever they were and came up with satellite signals and mobile
> receivers as the solution (mind you, this was a couple of years before
> graphical web browsing--e.g., using NCSA Mosaic--and well before any
> kind of streaming online media).  As an electrical engineering major at
> the time, I really should have pursued the idea but didn't.  I think the
> patent rights for Sirius and XM go back to 1995 or so, as I believe I
> recall from having checked a couple of years ago . . . .
> C'est la vie, I guess.
> 
> -Joe
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Michael Vance
> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:31 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] mostly off-topie political thread
> 
> One of the things that I grew up with in Detroit (WWJ-950) and still
> spent a lot of time with in Chicago (WBBM-780) is the CBS Newsradio
> stations.  You could -- and still can for the most part -- get traffic
> and weather on the 8s, sports at 15 and 45, business news at 25 and 55,
> national network news at the top of the hour, and mix of local and
> national highlights at the bottom.  It was almost like comfort food when
> driving back to Chicago from Michigan, and was especially frustrating
> when they have carried various sports teams over the years and that
> disrupts the traffic report schedule.  But I think that even those have
> changed some just in the six years that I've been in Indianapolis.  I
> don't get a chance to listen to WBBM enough when I'm back up in Chicago
> (my wife missed WXRT too much) to really put my finger on it though.
> 
> -Michael
> 
> Mike Nolan wrote:
> >> Conservative Talk Radio only survives as a viable format because it 
> >> draws listeners.
> >>     
> >
> > Isn't that true about ANY media?  If nobody is reading, listening or
> watching
> > it dies.  I'm not sure if the Internet quite follows that rule yet.
> >
> > I pretty much stopped listening to AM radio a good 10 years ago, 
> > because there wasn't anything I wanted to hear, certainly no music.  
> > Even the
> local
> > morning drive-time block isn't worth listening to any more, except 
> > maybe for traffic reports.  (Just TRY to get a weather report on an AM
> 
> > radio at 6:30 AM!)
> >
> > These days when I'm in my car (not as much as before 1999, since I now
> 
> > work from home) I listen to Sirius satellite radio, usually Broadway
> > show tunes.   Memory, all alone in the moonlight....
> > --
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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan 20 13:51:03 2009
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 20 13:51:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
Message-ID: <ca3.4545bc21.36a78527@aol.com>

I politely wish to disagree
 
Wrigley Field is a dump
 
Parking is non-existant
 
Bathrooms are ancient and insufficient
 
Food services are far inferior to US Cellular Field (though probably equal  
to or better than Dyche (setting the bar extremely low))
 
We risk having Illinois fans fill the place up
 
A horrible idea
 
A non-conference game at Soldier's Field (Chicago name for the place), a  
better idea.  Much better parking, at least, though getting to the  lakefront is 
always a pain in the neck.  And parking/concessions would  enrich Chicago, not 
NU.
 
No other successful football school is actively seeking to outsource home  
football games - why should we ?
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/17/2009 9:11:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
tmcadams@yahoo.com writes:

http://www.c
hicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-17-greenstein-northwestern-wjan17,0,64505
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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan 20 13:59:32 2009
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 20 13:59:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at Wrigley
Message-ID: <bf1.4748df8b.36a78724@aol.com>

We should continue to schedule 3 home non-conf games, and 1 on the  road
 
The home and home games should rotate through Stanford, Duke, Rice, other  
schools that would make nice trips (and allow local alums to come out and see  
the Cats).
 
The home games should be like recent years - a middling MAC team, a non-FBS  
team (as long as that remains legal), like Towson, and maybe one more  
weakling.  Remember, it is imperative that we go 3-1 or 4-0.
 
Don't even give the Evil empire the time of day
 
A nice rotation of Army, Navy and Air Force at Soldier Field, and bus in a  
lot of guys from Great Lakes and the VA facilities could work.  Probably  won't 
help recruiting much, but will reinforce the stature of NU.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 1/17/2009 11:26:40 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
neonrye@aol.com writes:

If the  Illini don't want to do it, screw 'em.? I think Phillips (who struck 
me as a  "go-getter" when I met him at NU Alumni Club of NY Sports Night last 
Summer)  is really on to something.? Although I love the "Red River" analogy, 
to make  it a How about some of these other possibilities:

NU-ND (Revive that  old rivalry, now that we have a good chance to win--and 
Fitz has good karma  vs. the Irish)
NU-Stanford?or NU-Vandy or NU-Rice?(The "SAT Bowl").? We  have played Duke a 
lot lately, so I'll leave them out of the  mix..
NU-Missouri (Develop a new rivalry after a great Alamo Bowl  match-up).? And 
Mizzou is close enough to send plenty of fans.
NU-Army  (Best shot for a "W" vs. a service academy).? I saw us play at West 
Point  several years back, so I know we have some history with the Black  
Knights.
NU--Florida (I can dream, can't I?:-))

Paul  Levinson



-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis W. Brandt  <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, 17 Jan 2009  11:09 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Philips proposes Cats to play Illinois at  Wrigley


> Of course we would have to schedule the game in  november to avoid the > 
obvious risk of the Cubs being in the World  Series?
?
The way MLB is going, they'll still be playing the World  Series in November. 
They darn near did this year, and the upcoming season  starts a week later.  ?
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 14:27:49 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jan 20 14:28:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Future schedules
References: <bf1.4748df8b.36a78724@aol.com>
Message-ID: <66081B384E3F48A9A53B00B8EFD0A436@DennisMachine>

Play two non-conference games and every Big 10 team every year.  This skipping two conference teams every season makes no sense to me.
From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan 20 15:35:02 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 20 15:35:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Future schedules
In-Reply-To: <66081B384E3F48A9A53B00B8EFD0A436@DennisMachine>
References: <bf1.4748df8b.36a78724@aol.com>
	<66081B384E3F48A9A53B00B8EFD0A436@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <8CB495E166B526E-FDC-B89@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com>


 We have to skip as many conference mates as is allowed

that (and our great good fortune in getting 2 teams into the BCS bowls most years) is what gets 7 or 8 teams into bowls

And that maximizes our share (1/12) of the conference bowl income

The key is money, after all

Chuck Herron ? Tech 85 


 


 

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From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 2:27 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Future schedules










Play two non-conference games and every Big 10 team every year.  This skipping 
two conference teams every season makes no sense to me.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jan 20 15:49:19 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jan 20 15:49:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Future schedules
References: <bf1.4748df8b.36a78724@aol.com>
	<66081B384E3F48A9A53B00B8EFD0A436@DennisMachine>
	<8CB495E166B526E-FDC-B89@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <B3CC6EDAC35848D8B1138CB8DC4F836B@DennisMachine>

It makes no sense to have a conference and not play everyone.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: cherron604@aol.com 
  To: tbng@comcast.net ; nwu-sports@tssi.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Future schedules


  We have to skip as many conference mates as is allowed

  that (and our great good fortune in getting 2 teams into the BCS bowls most years) is what gets 7 or 8 teams into bowls

  And that maximizes our share (1/12) of the conference bowl income

  The key is money, after all

  Chuck Herron   Tech 85 





  -----Original Message-----
  From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
  To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
  Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 2:27 pm
  Subject: [NU Sports] Future schedules


Play two non-conference games and every Big 10 team every year.  This skipping 
two conference teams every season makes no sense to me.
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan 20 15:56:18 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 20 15:56:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Stanford to cut Athletics
Message-ID: <8CB49610EF26CFE-FDC-D06@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/20/AR2009012002812.html

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Jan 20 15:59:02 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Jan 20 15:59:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Future schedules
In-Reply-To: <B3CC6EDAC35848D8B1138CB8DC4F836B@DennisMachine>
References: <bf1.4748df8b.36a78724@aol.com>
	<66081B384E3F48A9A53B00B8EFD0A436@DennisMachine>
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Message-ID: <fcb3ee270901201359g6c73919fo7911278beb12d447@mail.gmail.com>

>From a scheduling and fairness standpoint, I completely agree that it's
rather pointless not to play everyone from within the conference.  From that
standpoint the "skip 2" doesn't make much sense.

BUT, we all know that college football is all about the money.  More
nonconference games allow schools to schedule more home games (more
attendance and TV revenue), play easier teams to get to that higher win
total and reach bowl eligibility, and as a whole conference send more teams
to bowl games.  Just look at the Pac-10 (10 teams) which sent 5 teams to
bowls this season (only 1 BCS entrant).  Meanwhile, the Big Ten (11 teams)
sent 7 teams to bowls this season (2 BCS entrants).  The additional revenue
from the 2nd BCS game and the additional bowl entrants meant a lot when
shared across the conference.

Therefore, the Big Ten would only move to a full conference round robin if
it wants to lose money relative to their current standing.

Overall, if you want to watch a "fair" football league - head on over to the
NFL.  College football is not about fairness - NU fans should have picked up
on that by now.  Fortunately, NU is in a favorable position being in the Big
Ten and we should appreciate the benefits.

Jonathan

On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

> It makes no sense to have a conference and not play everyone.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>  From: cherron604@aol.com
>  To: tbng@comcast.net ; nwu-sports@tssi.com
>  Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:35 PM
>  Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Future schedules
>
>
>  We have to skip as many conference mates as is allowed
>
>  that (and our great good fortune in getting 2 teams into the BCS bowls
> most years) is what gets 7 or 8 teams into bowls
>
>  And that maximizes our share (1/12) of the conference bowl income
>
>  The key is money, after all
>
>  Chuck Herron   Tech 85
>
>
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
>  To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>  Sent: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 2:27 pm
>  Subject: [NU Sports] Future schedules
>
>
> Play two non-conference games and every Big 10 team every year.  This
> skipping
> two conference teams every season makes no sense to me.
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Tue Jan 20 16:00:39 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Tue Jan 20 16:01:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Chicago, Obama and the Olympics
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF087BEB73@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

The IOC vote is some nine months away, for those interested. The
chairman of the Chicago 2016 bid is, of course, Pat Ryan, whose name you
might find on football facility at Northwestern.
 
At any rate, with list guru Mr. Nolan's permission, I share my blog
today at universalsports.com, and include the link:
 
 
--
 
 
http://wcsnblogs.com/olympics/alanabrahamson
 
The 44th president
<http://wcsnblogs.com/olympics/alanabrahamson/alanabrahamson/2009/01/20/
the-44th-president/> 
January 20th, 2009 

The world turned Tuesday. Everything changed.

There was Barack Obama, declaring in his inaugural address of the United
States of America, "We are ready to lead once more,"

And there, just a few minutes later, in a Marine helicopter heading off
into the distance, was George W. Bush, president no more.

The promise - and, yes, the hope - that is America rang out Tuesday over
a sea of people crowded into the National Mall and, of course, via
television to the far corners of the country and the world. Here was
Obama, "a man whose father less than 60 years ago might not have been
served at a local restaurant," standing before the world "to take a most
sacred oath."

The new president proclaimed, "Now, there are some who question the
scale of our ambitions - who suggest that our system can not tolerate
too many big plans. Their memories are short. For they have forgotten
what this country has already done; what free men and women can achieve
when imagination is joined to common purpose, and necessity to courage."

He also said, "What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility
- a recognition, on the part of every American, that we have duties to
ourselves, our nation and the world, duties that we do not grudgingly
accept but rather seize gladly, firm in the knowledge that there is
nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our character, than
giving our all to a difficult task."

The new president now must confront an extraordinary array of
challenges. An extraordinary array of constituencies awaits, too, to see
the direction these United States move under his leadership.

Among those constituencies will be the delegates of the International
Olympic Committee, who on Oct. 2 will pick the site of the 2016 Summer
Games, choosing Chicago, Tokyo, Madrid or Rio de Janeiro.

It is far too much on this Inauguration Day to proclaim that the pick of
the 2016 Games marks one of the new president's immediate priorities. It
does not, and should not; he surely will be occupied with matters of
different gravity. Soon enough, however, the IOC vote will approach, and
one of the fascinating things to watch will be the role that the
president, from Chicago, opts to play in the IOC decision.

The past two IOC votes have proven unequivocally that the appearance of
a head of state can make the deciding difference in an IOC election.
Tony Blair, then the prime minister of Britain, appeared in Singapore at
the 2005 IOC vote for the 2012 Summer Games; London won. Vladimir Putin,
then the president and now the prime minister of Russia, appeared in
Guatemala City at the 2007 IOC vote for the 2014 Winter Games; Sochi
won.

No American president has made such an appearance before the IOC. Will
Obama?

No one knows. Just last week, Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley called
Obama the "quarterback" of the city's 2016 bid team. Still, will Obama
appear in Copenhagen, site of the 2016 decision, in October? No one
knows.

Already, however, the world knows things not only will be different than
they were yesterday; they are different. Obama, in the first sentence of
his address, underscored that he already understands what so many want
from the United States - to take its rightful role among the leaders of
the nations of the world but to assume such leadership with humility.

He said,  "I stand here today humbled by the task before us, grateful
for the trust you have bestowed, mindful of the sacrifices borne by our
ancestors."

Godspeed, Mr. President. 

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Jan 20 16:39:37 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 20 16:39:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Chicago, Obama and the Olympics
Message-ID: <d46.3b6cc3d0.36a7aca9@aol.com>

Well written, and a great day for America indeed. Let me be the first to  put 
the arm on you for Olympic tickets, Pat Ryan, even though I have met him  
does not know me from Cornelius Ryan, my great Grandfather.
 
 
In a message dated 1/20/2009 5:05:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com writes:

The IOC  vote is some nine months away, for those interested. The
chairman of the  Chicago 2016 bid is, of course, Pat Ryan, whose name you
might find on  football facility at Northwestern.

At any rate, with list guru Mr.  Nolan's permission, I share my blog
today at universalsports.com, and  include the  link:


--


http://wcsnblogs.com/olympics/alanabrahamson

The  44th  president
<http://wcsnblogs.com/olympics/alanabrahamson/alanabrahamson/2009/01/20/
the-44th-president/>  
January 20th, 2009 

The world turned Tuesday. Everything  changed.

There was Barack Obama, declaring in his inaugural address of  the United
States of America, "We are ready to lead once more,"

And  there, just a few minutes later, in a Marine helicopter heading off
into  the distance, was George W. Bush, president no more.

The promise - and,  yes, the hope - that is America rang out Tuesday over
a sea of people  crowded into the National Mall and, of course, via
television to the far  corners of the country and the world. Here was
Obama, "a man whose father  less than 60 years ago might not have been
served at a local restaurant,"  standing before the world "to take a most
sacred oath."

The new  president proclaimed, "Now, there are some who question the
scale of our  ambitions - who suggest that our system can not tolerate
too many big  plans. Their memories are short. For they have forgotten
what this country  has already done; what free men and women can achieve
when imagination is  joined to common purpose, and necessity to courage."

He also said,  "What is required of us now is a new era of responsibility
- a recognition,  on the part of every American, that we have duties to
ourselves, our nation  and the world, duties that we do not grudgingly
accept but rather seize  gladly, firm in the knowledge that there is
nothing so satisfying to the  spirit, so defining of our character, than
giving our all to a difficult  task."

The new president now must confront an extraordinary array  of
challenges. An extraordinary array of constituencies awaits, too, to  see
the direction these United States move under his  leadership.

Among those constituencies will be the delegates of the  International
Olympic Committee, who on Oct. 2 will pick the site of the  2016 Summer
Games, choosing Chicago, Tokyo, Madrid or Rio de  Janeiro.

It is far too much on this Inauguration Day to proclaim that  the pick of
the 2016 Games marks one of the new president's immediate  priorities. It
does not, and should not; he surely will be occupied with  matters of
different gravity. Soon enough, however, the IOC vote will  approach, and
one of the fascinating things to watch will be the role that  the
president, from Chicago, opts to play in the IOC decision.

The  past two IOC votes have proven unequivocally that the appearance of
a head  of state can make the deciding difference in an IOC election.
Tony Blair,  then the prime minister of Britain, appeared in Singapore at
the 2005 IOC  vote for the 2012 Summer Games; London won. Vladimir Putin,
then the  president and now the prime minister of Russia, appeared in
Guatemala City  at the 2007 IOC vote for the 2014 Winter Games; Sochi
won.

No  American president has made such an appearance before the IOC.  Will
Obama?

No one knows. Just last week, Chicago Mayor Richard M.  Daley called
Obama the "quarterback" of the city's 2016 bid team. Still,  will Obama
appear in Copenhagen, site of the 2016 decision, in October? No  one
knows.

Already, however, the world knows things not only will be  different than
they were yesterday; they are different. Obama, in the first  sentence of
his address, underscored that he already understands what so  many want
from the United States - to take its rightful role among the  leaders of
the nations of the world but to assume such leadership with  humility.

He said,  "I stand here today humbled by the task before  us, grateful
for the trust you have bestowed, mindful of the sacrifices  borne by our
ancestors."

Godspeed, Mr. President.  

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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Tue Jan 20 20:15:58 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Tue Jan 20 20:16:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Chicago, Obama and the Olympics
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A long, long way to go until there are Olympic tickets for sale in the
Windy City ... :>

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Chicago, Obama and the Olympics


Well written, and a great day for America indeed. Let me be the first to
put the arm on you for Olympic tickets, Pat Ryan, even though I have met
him does not know me from Cornelius Ryan, my great Grandfather.
 
In a message dated 1/20/2009 5:05:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com writes:

	The IOC vote is some nine months away, for those interested. The
	chairman of the Chicago 2016 bid is, of course, Pat Ryan, whose
name you
	might find on football facility at Northwestern.
	
	At any rate, with list guru Mr. Nolan's permission, I share my
blog
	today at universalsports.com, and include the link:
	
	
	--
	
	
	http://wcsnblogs.com/olympics/alanabrahamson
	
	The 44th president
	
<http://wcsnblogs.com/olympics/alanabrahamson/alanabrahamson/2009/01/20/
	the-44th-president/> 
	January 20th, 2009 
	
	The world turned Tuesday. Everything changed.
	
	There was Barack Obama, declaring in his inaugural address of
the United
	States of America, "We are ready to lead once more,"
	
	And there, just a few minutes later, in a Marine helicopter
heading off
	into the distance, was George W. Bush, president no more.
	
	The promise - and, yes, the hope - that is America rang out
Tuesday over
	a sea of people crowded into the National Mall and, of course,
via
	television to the far corners of the country and the world. Here
was
	Obama, "a man whose father less than 60 years ago might not have
been
	served at a local restaurant," standing before the world "to
take a most
	sacred oath."
	
	The new president proclaimed, "Now, there are some who question
the
	scale of our ambitions - who suggest that our system can not
tolerate
	too many big plans. Their memories are short. For they have
forgotten
	what this country has already done; what free men and women can
achieve
	when imagination is joined to common purpose, and necessity to
courage."
	
	He also said, "What is required of us now is a new era of
responsibility
	- a recognition, on the part of every American, that we have
duties to
	ourselves, our nation and the world, duties that we do not
grudgingly
	accept but rather seize gladly, firm in the knowledge that there
is
	nothing so satisfying to the spirit, so defining of our
character, than
	giving our all to a difficult task."
	
	The new president now must confront an extraordinary array of
	challenges. An extraordinary array of constituencies awaits,
too, to see
	the direction these United States move under his leadership.
	
	Among those constituencies will be the delegates of the
International
	Olympic Committee, who on Oct. 2 will pick the site of the 2016
Summer
	Games, choosing Chicago, Tokyo, Madrid or Rio de Janeiro.
	
	It is far too much on this Inauguration Day to proclaim that the
pick of
	the 2016 Games marks one of the new president's immediate
priorities. It
	does not, and should not; he surely will be occupied with
matters of
	different gravity. Soon enough, however, the IOC vote will
approach, and
	one of the fascinating things to watch will be the role that the
	president, from Chicago, opts to play in the IOC decision.
	
	The past two IOC votes have proven unequivocally that the
appearance of
	a head of state can make the deciding difference in an IOC
election.
	Tony Blair, then the prime minister of Britain, appeared in
Singapore at
	the 2005 IOC vote for the 2012 Summer Games; London won.
Vladimir Putin,
	then the president and now the prime minister of Russia,
appeared in
	Guatemala City at the 2007 IOC vote for the 2014 Winter Games;
Sochi
	won.
	
	No American president has made such an appearance before the
IOC. Will
	Obama?
	
	No one knows. Just last week, Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley
called
	Obama the "quarterback" of the city's 2016 bid team. Still, will
Obama
	appear in Copenhagen, site of the 2016 decision, in October? No
one
	knows.
	
	Already, however, the world knows things not only will be
different than
	they were yesterday; they are different. Obama, in the first
sentence of
	his address, underscored that he already understands what so
many want
	from the United States - to take its rightful role among the
leaders of
	the nations of the world but to assume such leadership with
humility.
	
	He said,  "I stand here today humbled by the task before us,
grateful
	for the trust you have bestowed, mindful of the sacrifices borne
by our
	ancestors."
	
	Godspeed, Mr. President. 
	
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From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan 20 22:15:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the Athletic Dept
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From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 21 19:45:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] OK don't fire Carmody
Message-ID: <c12.49fdd8d4.36a92996@aol.com>

CATS!!! beat #7 Mich St. I hate BBall last few minutes but we hung on and  
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From michael.vance at att.net  Wed Jan 21 19:49:43 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Wed Jan 21 19:49:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win!!!
Message-ID: <4977D0B7.3080004@att.net>

'Cats win!!  In East Lansing!!

I told my wife, "I won't gloat, but don't expect me to wipe this grin 
off of my face any time soon!"

Their defense (together with Kevin Coble) carried them.  Absolutely 
spectacular defensive effort all around, but when they missed a few free 
throws near the end, they kept the Spartans from capitalizing.  That was 
huge!  Let's keep it going!

-M

From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Wed Jan 21 20:26:10 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Wed Jan 21 20:26:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Two Big Ten wins in a row
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF067B3B09@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

 Hark, is this light I see peeking through the forest?!
 The Daily sent out a breaking news flash to mark the occasion. 
 - Alan

From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jan 21 20:27:57 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Jan 21 20:28:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win!!!
References: <4977D0B7.3080004@att.net>
Message-ID: <C441C24CF11D4D429090BA516F7C87D5@DennisMachine>

This one is from Oliver, folks.

Who will buy we won in East Lansing?
Can't believe we beat M-S-U.
Who will buy we're preening and prancing
For turning Spartan green all blue?

There'll never be a day so sunny,
Though I watched it all at night.
Should a laid down real big money
To get out of this econ blight.

Who will buy this wonderful feeling?
I'm so high but not on a drug.
Coble had those green boys a reeling.
Nash D'ed 'em like a Rush Street thug.

Did anyone beside me think the last two minutes of that game took 7 1/2 hours?
From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 20:29:26 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed Jan 21 20:29:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] shall we make it 3 in a row, alan? ... 
Message-ID: <746620.94530.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Wow, now I didn't see that one coming ... winning in Izzo-land!!

Coble for God. 10-for-16 from the floor in one of the nation's toughest places to play is a stunning, virtuoso display of skill and guts. I am as delighted as I am surprised, given the Perdoo/PSU flops. 

You're next, Weasels of Ann Arbor!

bw

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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Wed Jan 21 20:34:03 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Wed Jan 21 20:34:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] shall we make it 3 in a row, alan? ...
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF067B3B0B@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I also am as delighted as I am surprised. Very well said.  
 Go Wildcats!


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Subject: [NU Sports] shall we make it 3 in a row, alan? ... 

Wow, now I didn't see that one coming ... winning in Izzo-land!!

Coble for God. 10-for-16 from the floor in one of the nation's toughest places to play is a stunning, virtuoso display of skill and guts. I am as delighted as I am surprised, given the Perdoo/PSU flops. 

You're next, Weasels of Ann Arbor!

bw

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 14:32:43 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 22 14:32:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
Message-ID: <8CB4AE7B63A32DA-DB4-472@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com>

I realize that almost anybody who witnessed this would?have to be at least 70 years old now, but maybe there's someone out there (or somebody who read about it).

The Lansing State Journal stated that this was "the Wildcats' first road win over a top-10 team since 1953"

Does anybody recall that game ?? The opponent ?? How it happened ?

(Forgetting for the moment the sadness of not beating a top-10 team on the road in almost 60 years...)

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 14:41:07 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 22 14:41:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
Message-ID: <c6d.4204c9fb.36aa33e3@aol.com>

71-65 win at No. 4 Minnesota Jan. 3,  1953. ...



In a message dated 1/22/2009 3:33:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
cherron604@aol.com writes:

I  realize that almost anybody who witnessed this would?have to be at least 
70  years old now, but maybe there's someone out there (or somebody who read 
about  it).

The Lansing State Journal stated that this was "the Wildcats'  first road win 
over a top-10 team since 1953"

Does anybody recall that  game ?? The opponent ?? How it happened ?

(Forgetting for the moment  the sadness of not beating a top-10 team on the 
road in almost 60  years...)

Chuck Herron?? Tech  '85
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 15:10:06 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 22 15:10:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
In-Reply-To: <c6d.4204c9fb.36aa33e3@aol.com>
References: <c6d.4204c9fb.36aa33e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CB4AECEF732232-DB4-776@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com>

Laketheposts.com had these nuggets also:

- First back-to-back wins over ranked teams (Minnesota/MSU) EVER
- Snaps MSU 80-game home win streak against unranked teams (Toledo, 2002)
- First win at MSU since 1984

I may have to go to the library here in Minneapolis and dig out some details from the 53 game...

The '53 Cats finished 6-16, 5-13 in conference play in Waldo Fisher's first season.? They were only 2-8 on the road that season, and came in 8th.
?
The '53 Gophers?finished 14-8, 11-7 in conference play under coach OB Cowles, who had a .612 winning percentage over 11 seasons (1948-1959).? They finished fourth or better in seven of those seasons.? Cowles' Dartmouth team had lost the 1942 NCAA Championship game to Stanford.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question



71-65 win at No. 4 Minnesota Jan. 3, 1953. ...


?


In a message dated 1/22/2009 3:33:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cherron604@aol.com writes:

I realize that almost anybody who witnessed this would?have to be at least 70 years old now, but maybe there's someone out there (or somebody who read about it).

The Lansing State Journal stated that this was "the Wildcats' first road win over a top-10 team since 1953"

Does anybody recall that game ?? The opponent ?? How it happened ?

(Forgetting for the moment the sadness of not beating a top-10 team on the road in almost 60 years...)

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 15:13:07 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 22 15:13:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
Message-ID: <cde.40be0c45.36aa3b63@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/22/2009 1:10:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
cherron604@aol.com writes:

> Cowles' Dartmouth team had lost the 1942 NCAA Championship game to 
> Stanford.
> 
> 

Looks like even in 1942 we couldnt use the high academics excuse for lousy 
performance !

Harry


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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan 22 15:30:42 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan 22 15:30:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
References: <8CB4AE7B63A32DA-DB4-472@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com>
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> The Lansing State Journal stated that this was "the Wildcats' first road 
> win over a top-10 team since 1953"
>
> Does anybody recall that game ?? The opponent ?? How it happened ?

Good lord, man!  I can barely recall 1953!  Although my parents did buy a 
brand new 1953 Buick Special, and we moved that year.  Other than that, I 
remember that year like a 60s radical remembers the entire decade - a hazy 
blur. 

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Jan 22 15:47:03 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu Jan 22 15:48:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
Message-ID: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A65F77664A4@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>

This evokes memory of handily beating eventual national champ MSU in '79.  A magical game vs Magic, Jud, Kelser & Co. 

Sent with Good (www.good.com)


 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Dennis W. Brandt [mailto:tbng@comcast.net]
Sent:	Thursday, January 22, 2009 04:31 PM Eastern Standard Time
To:	nwu-sports@tssi.com; cherron604@aol.com
Subject:	Re: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question

> The Lansing State Journal stated that this was "the Wildcats' first road
> win over a top-10 team since 1953"
>
> Does anybody recall that game ?? The opponent ?? How it happened ?

Good lord, man!  I can barely recall 1953!  Although my parents did buy a
brand new 1953 Buick Special, and we moved that year.  Other than that, I
remember that year like a 60s radical remembers the entire decade - a hazy
blur.

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 22 15:54:33 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan 22 15:54:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
In-Reply-To: <8CB4AECEF732232-DB4-776@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com>
References: <c6d.4204c9fb.36aa33e3@aol.com>
	<8CB4AECEF732232-DB4-776@WEBMAIL-DY40.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <007f01c97cdc$03425d20$09c71760$@com>

Lindsey Wilhite had a bunch of the firsts last night also.

I suspect that Dave Eanet had them on the broadcast yesterday. The WGN
sports guys who were on between periods of the hockey game were pretty
excited, and even WBBM made mention of the win.

Unfortunately, while the game was on, I was at Choir rehearsal and missed
it, but I did have my old NU coaches' hat on during the drive over to church
<g>

So, this means my old Black NU Coach Hat AND my Fast Break Club Purple golf
shirt have magic powers. Will have to wear one or the other (or both) during
the U Mich game. 

rsl

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:10 PM
To: MHRJGScott@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question

Laketheposts.com had these nuggets also:

- First back-to-back wins over ranked teams (Minnesota/MSU) EVER
- Snaps MSU 80-game home win streak against unranked teams (Toledo, 2002)
- First win at MSU since 1984

I may have to go to the library here in Minneapolis and dig out some details
from the 53 game...

The '53 Cats finished 6-16, 5-13 in conference play in Waldo Fisher's first
season.? They were only 2-8 on the road that season, and came in 8th.
?
The '53 Gophers?finished 14-8, 11-7 in conference play under coach OB
Cowles, who had a .612 winning percentage over 11 seasons (1948-1959).? They
finished fourth or better in seven of those seasons.? Cowles' Dartmouth team
had lost the 1942 NCAA Championship game to Stanford.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85

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To: CHerron604@aol.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 2:41 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question



71-65 win at No. 4 Minnesota Jan. 3, 1953. ...


?


In a message dated 1/22/2009 3:33:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cherron604@aol.com writes:

I realize that almost anybody who witnessed this would?have to be at least
70 years old now, but maybe there's someone out there (or somebody who read
about it).

The Lansing State Journal stated that this was "the Wildcats' first road win
over a top-10 team since 1953"

Does anybody recall that game ?? The opponent ?? How it happened ?

(Forgetting for the moment the sadness of not beating a top-10 team on the
road in almost 60 years...)

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 15:55:08 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 22 15:55:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
Message-ID: <c3f.4037c110.36aa453c@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/22/2009 1:48:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com writes:

> This evokes memory of handily beating eventual national champ MSU in '79.  
> A magical game vs Magic, Jud, Kelser &Co. 
> 
> Sent with Good (www.good.com)
> 

Yes--we won 83-65   for our first BT win after going 0-8 to start the 
campaign--MSU was not #1 at the time because they had been upset a few weeks earlier 
by Illinois--

We did beat #1, at the time ,Michigan in 1977 though  after we were able to 
beat their press several times

Harry




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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 15:58:58 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 22 15:59:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
Message-ID: <c71.3dbd7b11.36aa4622@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/22/2009 1:48:39 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com writes:

> This evokes memory of handily beating eventual national champ MSU in '79.  
> A magical game vs Magic, Jud, Kelser &Co. 

What I also find amazing in beating MSU  in their championship year was that 
they were 25-5--the other 4 losses were by 1 or 2 points ,vs NU they lost by 
18

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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 16:31:37 2009
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 22 16:33:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
Message-ID: <d54.442f71f6.36aa4dc9@aol.com>



In a message dated 1/22/2009 3:10:58 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
cherron604@aol.com writes:

The '53  Cats finished 6-16, 5-13 in conference play in Waldo Fisher's first 
season.?  They were only 2-8 on the road that season, and came in 8th.
 
I dug out the old 1953 Syllabus and it described the basketball team as  
follows: 
 
    "There was one thing about the varsity basketball  team this year.
    They were just about the best eighth place team in  Big 10 history. 
    But they were plagued by a flock of near misses.  There were the two 
games against fabulous Indiana university, winners of  seventeen conference  
games, the Big Ten title, and the national collegiate  championship. 
    The first of the contest was played in Evanston and  went to the Hoosiers 
by a score of 88-84, in spite of Hal Grant's nine baskets,  one of which gave 
Northwestern the lead with less then a minute to  play.     
    In the return match at Bloomington, Indiana again  had to come from 
behind, this time tying the count in the last minute and  winning in overtime 90-88.
    Another near miss came at Iowa, when even Hawkeye  fans admitted that the 
referee handed the 89-88 win to the Iowans.
    On the winning side, there were Don Blaha's 19  baskets, which helped to 
whip Ohio State, and the NU rush in the first half of  the game.
    There was Frank Ehman's third quarter spree in Ann  Arbor, which brought 
the Wildcats an 85-84 victory and a sweep of the Michigan  series.
    The team was well balanced, with five men on the  squad scoring 200 
points during the season. Larry Kurka's 100 field goals placed  him seventh in the 
Gig 10 in that department, and he led the club in scoring  with a 13.8 average.
    John Biever's rebounding and play making earned for  him the title as 
"most valuable player" on the Northwestern team of the  year,"
 
On a personal note, Don Blaha was a fraternity brother.
 
Don Williams
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Jan 22 16:33:45 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 22 16:33:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] more than a 56 year-old question
Message-ID: <d55.43d1a781.36aa4e49@aol.com>

1953 was the year I moved from the Edgewater beach co-ops to  Evanston.
Now the real question is older than that, WHEN DO WE GET TO THE BIG  DANCE???
 What will it take the rest of the season to get a NCAA bid?
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2009 4:31:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tbng@comcast.net writes:

Good  lord, man!  I can barely recall  1953!

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Jan 22 16:45:24 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Jan 22 16:46:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
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Hopefully this year we'll have more of a sustained effort rather than these occassional victories surrounded by years of losses.
 
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In a message dated 1/22/2009 1:48:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com writes:

> This evokes memory of handily beating eventual national champ MSU in '79. 
> A magical game vs Magic, Jud, Kelser &Co.
>
> Sent with Good (www.good.com)
>

Yes--we won 83-65   for our first BT win after going 0-8 to start the
campaign--MSU was not #1 at the time because they had been upset a few weeks earlier
by Illinois--

We did beat #1, at the time ,Michigan in 1977 though  after we were able to
beat their press several times

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jan 23 06:46:14 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jan 23 06:45:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] more than a 56 year-old question
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Last night, our perennially embarrassed that he went to NU alum, while
talking about the balance of the Big 10 with Bobby Knight (on ESPN2's
Purdoo-Minny game) was hinting that the NCAA's could have 6, maybe 7 teams.

Knight then joked that NU would be one of them since they've knocked off a
couple of ranked teams and scared some others, and that Brett was hoping
that jinx would end.

I'm sure Tubby is tired of hearing about NU's win over Minny, and the later
win over MSU.

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1953 was the year I moved from the Edgewater beach co-ops to  Evanston.
Now the real question is older than that, WHEN DO WE GET TO THE BIG
DANCE???
 What will it take the rest of the season to get a NCAA bid?
 
 
In a message dated 1/22/2009 4:31:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Jan 23 18:16:33 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 23 18:16:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
Message-ID: <c80.447ef704.36abb7e1@aol.com>

I have only one--yes, just one--great memory of being at an NU hoops  upset.  
In 1972, late in the Conference season, with Brad Snyder as the  Coach, we 
beat Minny at home by a wide margin, and knocked that powerful Gopher  team 
(Dave Winfield, Corky Taylor, Ron Brewer,...I can't remember them all) out  of the 
Big Ten Title.  What was remarkable was that Coach Snyder had  essentially 
predicted such a triumph earlier in the season at an meeting with  students that 
I attended.
 
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Jan 23 18:38:33 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan 23 18:38:42 2009
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
Message-ID: <ced.4e35056e.36abbd09@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/23/2009 4:30:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, Hakirsch 
writes:

> That Minny team was the one the got into the huge fight with Ohio State in 
> 1972--One of the ugliest college sporting event fights ever--I do remember 
> Brewer being in the middle of it, though can't remember if Winnfield and 
> Hornacek (from Ohio State) were as involved
> 
> During my time at NU, we seem to pull off 1 major upset a year --beating 
> Kentucky the year after they were NCAA runner ups , beating #1 Michigan, beating 
> eventual champs MSU--(though I dont think we had a major one in the 77-78 
> season)
> 
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Date: Fri Jan 23 18:47:21 2009
Subject: IRe: Fwd: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
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I believe other two members of Gopher "Iron Five" wee former NBAers Jim Brewer and Ron Be hagen and Coach was Bill Musselman.  Victim of assault was Luke Wtte.  I covered it fro. AP dispatches for the Daily.
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In a message dated 1/23/2009 4:30:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, Hakirsch 
writes:

> That Minny team was the one the got into the huge fight with Ohio State in 
> 1972--One of the ugliest college sporting event fights ever--I do remember 
> Brewer being in the middle of it, though can't remember if Winnfield and 
> Hornacek (from Ohio State) were as involved
> 
> During my time at NU, we seem to pull off 1 major upset a year --beating 
> Kentucky the year after they were NCAA runner ups , beating #1 Michigan, beating 
> eventual champs MSU--(though I dont think we had a major one in the 77-78 
> season)
> 
> Harry
> 
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From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Fri Jan 23 18:59:20 2009
Subject: IRe: Fwd: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
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I do remember Winfield being involved but I'm only relying on memory which
isn't very good for most things happening in the late sixties/early
seventies.  I didn't cover it for anyone, I just remember watching it, so
I'll defer to anyone else who has better recollections.
Mark

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:46 PM, <neonrye@aol.com> wrote:

> I believe other two members of Gopher "Iron Five" wee former NBAers Jim
> Brewer and Ron Be hagen and Coach was Bill Musselman.  Victim of assault was
> Luke Wtte.  I covered it fro. AP dispatches for the Daily.
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> In a message dated 1/23/2009 4:30:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, Hakirsch
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>
> > That Minny team was the one the got into the huge fight with Ohio State
> in
> > 1972--One of the ugliest college sporting event fights ever--I do
> remember
> > Brewer being in the middle of it, though can't remember if Winnfield and
> > Hornacek (from Ohio State) were as involved
> >
> > During my time at NU, we seem to pull off 1 major upset a year --beating
> > Kentucky the year after they were NCAA runner ups , beating #1 Michigan,
> beating
> > eventual champs MSU--(though I dont think we had a major one in the 77-78
> > season)
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> > Harry
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Jan 24 08:46:58 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Jan 24 08:47:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Old time football
Message-ID: <B07D4B5865B94DB4B63B0CE88F1D1BCE@DennisMachine>

I was just watching some old football footage on the Northwestern Archives.  During a 1929 Indiana game (we lost), the Hoosier's offense would line up with a three down lineman, five in the backfield, and three behind them, then shift into a tight, seven-man line with four in the backfield.  You think they were going to run the ball?  What's a pass?  The leatherheads were small and really, really slow.  In a 1945 Iowa State game (we won), ISU ran a play where the quarterback started under center but then went in motion right.  The center snapped the ball to a running back, and the quarterback became the lead blocker in a sweep-right play.  They also looked really, really slow.  How times have changed.
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Jan 24 12:11:28 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Jan 24 12:11:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] TSN comment about NU vs EE
Message-ID: <200901241811.n0OIBSsR006415@romaine.tssi.com>

The Sporting News website is running a piece on 'Prestige rankings' of 
college football programs.  

To no great surprise, Notre Dame is listed in the top 5 (at #4), but
there's an interesting side-comment in the article on them:

Did you know?  Since 1995, Notre Dame has fewer consensus All-Americans 
than Northwestern. 
--
Mike Nolan

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Date: Sat Jan 24 20:16:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] superbowl trivia
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Taking a break from watching our bball team get creamed I read an  
interesting article about the Cardinals and a little known fact about a certain  
football facility at Northwestern
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From: cp2m at enterprisesw.com (Chris and Lori Patterson)
Date: Sat Jan 24 21:07:02 2009
Subject: FW: [NU Sports] TSN comment about NU vs EE
Message-ID: <71E6B30223A943BA9E506F3B12B20A45@Eagle>

Here's the link - it's on ESPN.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468

 

Way to go CATS - coaching staff !!

 

 

 

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The Sporting News website is running a piece on 'Prestige rankings' of 

college football programs.  

 

To no great surprise, Notre Dame is listed in the top 5 (at #4), but

there's an interesting side-comment in the article on them:

 

Did you know?  Since 1995, Notre Dame has fewer consensus All-Americans 

than Northwestern. 

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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Sat Jan 24 21:16:07 2009
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 24 21:16:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] TSN comment about NU vs EE
Message-ID: <c0f.43ea7719.36ad3377@aol.com>

Yet, haven't the absurd 'recruiting ratings' had them in the top 5 every  
year ?
 
Tom Lemming seems to constantly rank them #1 in the Sun-Times
 
Isn't the current Evil Empire prrof positive that these recruiting ratings  
are not woth the paper they're printed on ?
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
 
In a message dated 1/24/2009 12:11:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
nolan@romaine.tssi.com writes:

The  Sporting News website is running a piece on 'Prestige rankings' of 
college  football programs.  

To no great surprise, Notre Dame is listed in  the top 5 (at #4), but
there's an interesting side-comment in the article  on them:

Did you know?  Since 1995, Notre Dame has fewer consensus  All-Americans 
than Northwestern. 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Jan 24 21:24:56 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Jan 24 21:25:03 2009
Subject: FW: [NU Sports] TSN comment about NU vs EE
In-Reply-To: <71E6B30223A943BA9E506F3B12B20A45@Eagle> from "Chris and Lori
	Patterson" at Jan 24, 2009 10:06:50 PM
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> Here's the link - it's on ESPN.

Oops, thanks.
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> 
>  
> 
> http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3849468
> 
>  
> 
> Way to go CATS - coaching staff !!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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> Subject: [NU Sports] TSN comment about NU vs EE
> 
>  
> 
> The Sporting News website is running a piece on 'Prestige rankings' of 
> 
> college football programs.  
> 
>  
> 
> To no great surprise, Notre Dame is listed in the top 5 (at #4), but
> 
> there's an interesting side-comment in the article on them:
> 
>  
> 
> Did you know?  Since 1995, Notre Dame has fewer consensus All-Americans 
> 
> than Northwestern. 
> 
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> 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Jan 24 21:37:38 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Jan 24 21:37:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] ESPN comment about NU vs EE (corrected title)
Message-ID: <200901250337.n0P3bc5l008646@romaine.tssi.com>

> Isn't the current Evil Empire prrof positive that these recruiting ratings  
> are not woth the paper they're printed on ?

Not necessarily, though it does lend credence to the theory I've advanced
that some of the recruiting rankings are the cart leading the horse, ie,
certain players being ranked high BECAUSE Notre Dame is interested in them.

Even the best coach can only go so far with mediocre talent, but as has
been shown time and again (in every team sport) teams can squander even 
the best talent.  The coaching staff usually gets the majority of the
blame, but that's not always the case, especially in pro sports.
--
Mike Nolan

From CHerron604 at aol.com  Sat Jan 24 21:39:17 2009
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 24 21:39:39 2009
Subject: IRe: Fwd: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
Message-ID: <d38.405b4ae3.36ad38e5@aol.com>

Found some info on our 'last' road victory over a Top-10 team (thanks to  the 
Minneapolis Library)
 
On December 30, 1952, Minnesota snuck into the Top-10 - at #9
 
on Wed, Dec 31, The Gophers traveled to Milwaukee to play Marquette
 
Ozzie Cowles figured he would use the game to give his back-ups some  playing 
time.  He only started 2 starters.  The 3-5 Hilltoppers,  coached by a young 
Tex Winter, pounded the Gophers 70-59.  Minnesota  shot horribly, 21-91 from 
the field, and 17-35 from the line.  
 
3 days later, Sat night, January 3, Minnesota hosted NU at Williams  Arena.  
There were 10,126 in attendance (not very full) on the 15 degree  night.  We 
had last won at the Barn in 1945.  We were 1-4 at that  point, having beaten 
Butler in Evanston, and had lost to Western Michigan, Notre  Dame, Ohio State 
and Michigan State.
 
A young Sid Hartman wrote the game story (that could be good or bad,  
depending on your perspective).
 
NU got an early lead, 22-15 after one quarter, built it to 10 at the half,  
and then held on to win 71-65
 
Again, Minnesota shot horribly - 22-96 from the field.  We were  22-51.  I 
shudder to think how they attempted 45 more shots than we  did.
 
3 days later, on the 6th, the new AP poll came out and the  Gophers were #19. 
 Illinois (Harry Combes coaching Johnnie 'Red' Kerr) was  5-1 and #4 (only 
loss to the Gophers).  The eventual champion Hoosiers were  4-2 and #7.
 
So we beat a much more 'solid' Top-10 team in MSU than we did in '53  when we 
beat the Gophers. 
 
And the Gophers attempted 187 shots in two games ?  Against Sparty, we  
attemped 54, Izzo attempted 47.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
 
In a message dated 1/23/2009 6:59:49 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
sportsbiz@gmail.com writes:

I do  remember Winfield being involved but I'm only relying on memory which
isn't  very good for most things happening in the late  sixties/early
seventies.  I didn't cover it for anyone, I just  remember watching it, so
I'll defer to anyone else who has better  recollections.
Mark

On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 7:46 PM,  <neonrye@aol.com> wrote:

> I believe other two members of  Gopher "Iron Five" wee former NBAers Jim
> Brewer and Ron Be hagen and  Coach was Bill Musselman.  Victim of assault 
was
> Luke Wtte.   I covered it fro. AP dispatches for the Daily.
> ------Original  Message------
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>
> > That Minny team was the  one the got into the huge fight with Ohio State
> in
> >  1972--One of the ugliest college sporting event fights ever--I do
>  remember
> > Brewer being in the middle of it, though can't remember  if Winnfield and
> > Hornacek (from Ohio State) were as  involved
> >
> > During my time at NU, we seem to pull off 1  major upset a year --beating
> > Kentucky the year after they were  NCAA runner ups , beating #1 Michigan,
> beating
> > eventual  champs MSU--(though I dont think we had a major one in the 77-78
> >  season)
> >
> > Harry
> >
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Jan 24 22:11:14 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 24 22:11:21 2009
Subject: IRe: Fwd: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
Message-ID: <c90.38f406af.36ad4062@aol.com>

Thanks Chuck for some interesting stats--hard to believe that they took that 
many more shots than us, but since we made the same amount of FG (many years 
prior to the 3 point shot --started in 1983 in the BT I think) we obviously  
made 6 more free throws than Minny did that night


Does anyone know when college went to halves and no quarters ?

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan 25 09:09:05 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Jan 25 09:09:29 2009
Subject: IRe: Fwd: [NU Sports] 56 year-old question
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I think it was prior to 1964....

We hosted a College game at our HS, and our scoreboard only went up to
19:00. They had to time the first minute on a stopwatch before they started
the clock. FWIW - there was no shot clock in the NCAA back then.

rsl

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Does anyone know when college went to halves and no quarters ?

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From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Jan 25 18:27:52 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Jan 25 18:28:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] ESPN comment about NU vs EE (corrected title)
In-Reply-To: <200901250337.n0P3bc5l008646@romaine.tssi.com>
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I think it also underscores that football is, more than just about any 
other, a team game.  A collection of extremely talented individuals will 
lose a football game to a slightly less talented *team* almost every time.

Mike Nolan wrote:
>> Isn't the current Evil Empire prrof positive that these recruiting ratings  
>> are not woth the paper they're printed on ?
>>     
>
> Not necessarily, though it does lend credence to the theory I've advanced
> that some of the recruiting rankings are the cart leading the horse, ie,
> certain players being ranked high BECAUSE Notre Dame is interested in them.
>
> Even the best coach can only go so far with mediocre talent, but as has
> been shown time and again (in every team sport) teams can squander even 
> the best talent.  The coaching staff usually gets the majority of the
> blame, but that's not always the case, especially in pro sports.
> --
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From cp2m at enterprisesw.com  Sun Jan 25 20:40:52 2009
From: cp2m at enterprisesw.com (Chris and Lori Patterson)
Date: Sun Jan 25 20:41:08 2009
Subject: FW: [NU Sports] ESPN comment about NU vs EE (corrected title)
Message-ID: <B67AAE6976B14E56949988536E0DB725@Eagle>

Herb Brooks always felt that way [about hockey] too. An example is when the
NHL All-Stars got absolutely killed by the Soviet Union and in the following
year (1980) HB's created the greatest sports story of the 20th century.

Well worth watching the movie 'Miracle' -- as I'm sure you all have -- but
check out the 'extras DVD' which included an interview with HB.


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I think it also underscores that football is, more than just about any 
other, a team game.  A collection of extremely talented individuals will 
lose a football game to a slightly less talented *team* almost every time.

Mike Nolan wrote:
>> Isn't the current Evil Empire prrof positive that these recruiting
ratings  
>> are not woth the paper they're printed on ?
>>     
>
> Not necessarily, though it does lend credence to the theory I've advanced
> that some of the recruiting rankings are the cart leading the horse, ie,
> certain players being ranked high BECAUSE Notre Dame is interested in
them.
>
> Even the best coach can only go so far with mediocre talent, but as has
> been shown time and again (in every team sport) teams can squander even 
> the best talent.  The coaching staff usually gets the majority of the
> blame, but that's not always the case, especially in pro sports.
> --
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 27 12:37:24 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan 27 12:37:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Latest from Evanston
Message-ID: <000601c980ae$4c569fa0$e503dee0$@com>

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for the latest student promotions.

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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Tue Jan 27 12:46:27 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Tue Jan 27 12:46:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Scout IU preview
Message-ID: <223fce250901271046k2186975u6ca98aa59e19124a@mail.gmail.com>

You should enjoy this preview of the IU game.  I particularly enjoyed the
lede - "pesky and eccentric has given way to active and formidable".
Nothing like knocking off a top 10 team on the road to boost your image:

http://pennstate.scout.com/a.z?s=157&p=2&c=833710

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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Wed Jan 28 20:26:48 2009
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Wed Jan 28 20:26:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: NU vs. Indiana game thread
In-Reply-To: <d477ce9c0901281816x693ee543xa1b1fdf71239b0d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d477ce9c0901281816x693ee543xa1b1fdf71239b0d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d477ce9c0901281826u60f9ac48y1d1086dc242d0c50@mail.gmail.com>

It's a barnburner.  With 38.9 seconds left in the first half, it's Indiana
39, Northwestern 37.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Jonathan Hawkins <
jonathan.m.hawkins@gmail.com> wrote:

> With 3:45 to go in the first half, the game is tied at 28.  This is a
> really exciting game - if you're not watching, I highly encourage turning
> the game on if you can.
>
> J
>
From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Wed Jan 28 20:29:53 2009
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Wed Jan 28 20:30:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: NU vs. Indiana game thread
In-Reply-To: <d477ce9c0901281826u60f9ac48y1d1086dc242d0c50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d477ce9c0901281816x693ee543xa1b1fdf71239b0d1@mail.gmail.com>
	<d477ce9c0901281826u60f9ac48y1d1086dc242d0c50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d477ce9c0901281829u49e69d23i6181305eda51851b@mail.gmail.com>

And it's tied at the half!  39-39.  NU was down by as many as 9 early, and
we've made it all back.  Amazing.

On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Jonathan Michael Hawkins <
spiritu@northwestern.edu> wrote:

> It's a barnburner.  With 38.9 seconds left in the first half, it's Indiana
> 39, Northwestern 37.
>
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Jonathan Hawkins <
> jonathan.m.hawkins@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> With 3:45 to go in the first half, the game is tied at 28.  This is a
>> really exciting game - if you're not watching, I highly encourage turning
>> the game on if you can.
>>
>> J
>>
>
>
From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jan 28 22:16:23 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 28 22:16:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU wins
Message-ID: <bc4.3f76096f.36b28797@aol.com>

I didnt see the game , but can anyone tell me how the heck we won when were 
out rebounded nearly 2-1 ,out shot 90% vs  65% from the stripe and matched 
Indy's 12-23 from beyond the arc ?

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan 28 22:17:12 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jan 28 22:17:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win again
Message-ID: <000001c981c8$75ca3c00$615eb400$@com>

Once again, I wore my Fastbreak Club shirt all afternoon, and the Cats won
the game....

I also watched the dookies lose to Wake, and I'm really worried about the
Big 10 vs ACC in the Big Dance....

More thoughts tomorrow on PurpleReign.com  

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From dale.kipp at matweb.com  Wed Jan 28 22:34:31 2009
From: dale.kipp at matweb.com (Dale Kipp)
Date: Wed Jan 28 22:35:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU wins
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As I was drilling down to the details on SI.com, I saw on the main
scoreboard page as the leading rebounder for NU:  " Peljusic 3"  I
thought that had to be a typo.  Nope, although actually we had three
players with 3 rebounds each.  I wonder if that is some kind of record?

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Subject: [NU Sports] NU wins

I didnt see the game , but can anyone tell me how the heck we won when
were 
out rebounded nearly 2-1 ,out shot 90% vs  65% from the stripe and
matched 
Indy's 12-23 from beyond the arc ?

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From michael.vance at att.net  Wed Jan 28 22:57:24 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Wed Jan 28 22:57:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU wins
In-Reply-To: <bc4.3f76096f.36b28797@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <49813734.8050005@att.net>

Once again, defense.  We forced IU into a few more turnovers than we 
committed ourselves.  The 1-3-1 and Jeremy Nash are saving our season.

It helped that Coble came alive after Thompson fouled out with five 
minutes to go.  In addition to scoring quite a few of our last points, 
he also got the final steal that sealed the win.

Hakirsch@aol.com wrote:
> I didnt see the game , but can anyone tell me how the heck we won when were 
> out rebounded nearly 2-1 ,out shot 90% vs  65% from the stripe and matched 
> Indy's 12-23 from beyond the arc ?
>
> Harry

From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Thu Jan 29 06:03:08 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Thu Jan 29 06:05:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU wins
Message-ID: <20090129.060308.8403.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

Sloppy-ness carried the day.

44 fouls and 41 turnovers between the 2 teams.

We had slightly less turnovers and that made the difference.

Indiana is B-A-D.  If they hadn't had a hot shooter(5 3-pointers in the 1st half) we would have one by a dozen.  I can't fathom an Indiana team that bad even with the NCAA problems.

Coble had some amazing fall away shots, which saved us.

Nash played really well both offensively and defensively.

We missed at least 2 fast break layups.  Ugly.  Nash was worried so much about missing another layup he jammed it.

Rowley played better getting 2 baskets on one possesion -- bucket and the harm, moore rebounds the missed foul shot, and then feeds it back to rowley for the 2nd bucket.  He is still out of shape and occasionally gets lost away from the bucket leaving the middle open.

-- Hakirsch@aol.com wrote:
I didnt see the game , but can anyone tell me how the heck we won when were 
out rebounded nearly 2-1 ,out shot 90% vs  65% from the stripe and matched 
Indy's 12-23 from beyond the arc ?

Harry


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From ddave at nusports.com  Thu Jan 29 06:18:32 2009
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Thu Jan 29 06:18:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU wins
Message-ID: <20090129041832.1FE98DCF@resin14.mta.everyone.net>

Yes, the game was a little sloppy :-) but besides the defense doing well, and causing turnovers, the 'Cats seemed to be shooting well also (I don't have stats memorized). Moore had 21, including 2 back-to-back 3's to start the 2nd half, and it was nice to see Jeremy Nash hit a couple of 3's. Indiana buttoned up Coble in teh first half, but he got more scoring ops in 2nd  half. And NU buttoned up Indiana's Dumas in the 2nd half after he scored 21 in first half.

The 'Cats had a 9 point lead with about 3-4 min to go but they let the Hoosiers back in at the end - mostly outside and 3pt shots.  Clutch free throws by Moore with 6 sec left (not a smart foul by Indiana) and then Coble made the smart, heads up play to ice it.

In BT this season, even against Indiana, I think any win is a great win, there are no gimmes.

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU wins
Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:03:08 GMT

Sloppy-ness carried the day.

44 fouls and 41 turnovers between the 2 teams.

We had slightly less turnovers and that made the difference.

Indiana is B-A-D.  If they hadn't had a hot shooter(5 3-pointers in the 1st half) we would have one by a dozen.  I can't fathom an Indiana team that bad even with the NCAA problems.

Coble had some amazing fall away shots, which saved us.

Nash played really well both offensively and defensively.

We missed at least 2 fast break layups.  Ugly.  Nash was worried so much about missing another layup he jammed it.

Rowley played better getting 2 baskets on one possesion -- bucket and the harm, moore rebounds the missed foul shot, and then feeds it back to rowley for the 2nd bucket.  He is still out of shape and occasionally gets lost away from the bucket leaving the middle open.

-- Hakirsch@aol.com wrote:
I didnt see the game , but can anyone tell me how the heck we won when were 
out rebounded nearly 2-1 ,out shot 90% vs  65% from the stripe and matched 
Indy's 12-23 from beyond the arc ?

Harry


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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan 29 07:00:50 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan 29 07:00:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU wins
References: <20090129.060308.8403.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <3BD0E07FC497413FAB7FC9E905241525@DennisMachine>

> Rowley played better getting 2 baskets on one possesion -- bucket and the 
> harm, moore rebounds the missed foul shot, and then feeds it back to 
> rowley for the 2nd bucket.  He is still out of shape and occasionally gets 
> lost away from the bucket leaving the middle open.

Maybe Rowley can get into better condition, but I don't agree his problem is 
being out-of-shape.  He's just plain slow and uncoordinated, demonstrated by 
his almost complete inability to pull down a contested rebound even when 
he's fresh.  He brings nothing to the floor.  If Carmody turns him into a 
viable Big 10 center, I'll start calling the coach Prof. Henry Higgins.  I 
guess that would turn Taveras Hardy into Colonel Pickering, who would then 
sing, "You did it!  You did it!" to the boss.  I doubt, though, that Kyle 
will say, "I'm a good girl, I am," and he sure isn't going to fetch coach's 
slippers.  I was amazed to hear that the three centers we played in the 
Michigan game did not have a single rebound.  That, in a nutshell, describes 
why we're under .500 in the Big Ten and why the game was so close last 
night.

Nash sure brings an athletic quality to the lineup on "D," but both he and 
Thompson have to stop charging when they penetrate.  I have a feeling they 
will both figure that out.  I continue to be impressed with that good ol' 
Pennsylvania boy, Craig Moore.  He has become much more than a trey-shooter 
and brings a fire to the team I haven't seen for quite a while.  Hopefully 
he will rematriculate next season as Hubert Rollins Puffinstuff and give us 
"four more years!" 

From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Jan 31 17:54:20 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 31 17:54:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The white elephant in the living room
Message-ID: <8CB52165E8C32BF-3F0-25FA@webmail-dd11.sysops.aol.com>

?? Ok; say we win tonight, convincingly, do we talk about the "T" word?? Coble , at times, has looked like an All-American.? Moore provides leadership abilities as well as a healthy dose of treys.? Thompson is the glue as well as athleticism.? Carm has pulled the right strings as he's injected Nash into 20-25 minutes a game, and Jeremy has been a big pain in the ass for opposing offenses.
? The rebounding remains questionable, and we need to get more turnovers to have a chance.? I contend that this group has figured out something "between the ears", as we didn't play our best vs. IU, yet still figured out how to win.
? If we can beat Wisconsin, we can start to think "of other things".? If we lose, I can handle staying in a win 2 of 3 mode, and we'll see in a couple weeks.
? Also, Wisky's lost 5 in a row since thrashing us in Madison.? Let's throw gas on the fire.?? Cats 68? Wisky 62.

????????? GO CATS!!!??????????? Erix
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Jan 31 19:56:58 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 31 19:57:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The white elephant in the living room
Message-ID: <d5f.42326424.36b65b6a@aol.com>

Hell yes, this is one trip to Detroit I would enjoy.
 
 
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wildelk2@aol.com writes:

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Jan 31 21:11:13 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat Jan 31 21:11:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The white elephant in the living room
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE02EDF304@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Great game. 

Moore is the man!

Jeff

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Sent: Sat Jan 31 20:56:58 2009
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The white elephant in the living room

Hell yes, this is one trip to Detroit I would enjoy.
 
 
In a message dated 1/31/2009 6:55:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
wildelk2@aol.com writes:

do we  talk about the "T" word

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Jan 31 21:14:16 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan 31 21:14:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats Win!!!
Message-ID: <8CB52324CDD3C97-BB8-D0D@webmail-mf12.sysops.aol.com>

Just listened down the stretch on WGN.com to another stirring Wildcat win at home, as NU hung on down the stretch with stellar work from the charity stripe by Moore.? I'm starting to believe--which is a scary proposition.? God, why can't stupid Cablevision pick up BTN!

Yes, Eric let's not speak of the "T"--let's just dream it.

Paul Levinson
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 31 21:20:35 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan 31 21:20:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win!
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Message-ID: <319469.79481.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I must say, I never realized how much fun basketball on the Big Ten Network could be before!:)

Another big win for the Cats tonight. Not sure I'll mention the T-word, but this group is starting to have the feel of 1993-94's squad (when I'm convinced we could have won the Big Ten tourney ... if they had one back then) and catching fire. Thankfully this time, we appear to be heating up early enough that we could do some damage if we keep it up.

Welsh-Ryan is also starting to rock like it did toward the end of that season. Sure, there was a lot of red tonight, but the student section looked packed and LOUD and if we can get full houses in our little barn, it really creates a big home court advantage.

Gotta win these next two vs. Chicago State and Iowa, though, to really start getting serious - Iowa for the .500 conference mark and CSU for the overall mark.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!



      

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan 31 21:56:36 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan 31 21:56:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win!
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This is a team playing for:
1. Carmody's Legacy (and maybe job)
2. Moore's (and the other 3 Seniors) career
4. The future of NU Basketball,
3. and then the Wildcat Faithful

We're halfway thru the season, but still under .500 in conference, so we've
got to continue to play the way we can.

Still think that Iowa is beatable, so is Indy at home, so that's 3 more
wins. Now we need to win the rest of the home games, and we're even highly
ranked in the Big 10 Tourney. [and could a win over the 'noise be in the
cards?]

Go Cats

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
A Few Basic Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:21 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win!

I must say, I never realized how much fun basketball on the Big Ten Network
could be before!:)

Another big win for the Cats tonight. Not sure I'll mention the T-word, but
this group is starting to have the feel of 1993-94's squad (when I'm
convinced we could have won the Big Ten tourney ... if they had one back
then) and catching fire. Thankfully this time, we appear to be heating up
early enough that we could do some damage if we keep it up.

Welsh-Ryan is also starting to rock like it did toward the end of that
season. Sure, there was a lot of red tonight, but the student section looked
packed and LOUD and if we can get full houses in our little barn, it really
creates a big home court advantage.

Gotta win these next two vs. Chicago State and Iowa, though, to really start
getting serious - Iowa for the .500 conference mark and CSU for the overall
mark.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!



      

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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Sat Jan 31 22:19:48 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Sat Jan 31 22:23:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win!
Message-ID: <20090131.221948.23899.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

Just got back from the game.

Moore and Nash were both excellent.  Moore for offense and freethrow shooting(8-8).  Nash for the quality defense and general enthusiasm.

Either Coble was off or Wisky did a superior defensive job.

Freethrow shooting 1st half 2-7 vs. Wisky 9-9.  Ouch!!!!!!!!!!
2nd half we outshot them 2-1.  16-21(8-13 without Moore) vs. Wisky 7-10.

We went to the Fast Break Club before the game.  John Davidson and Jim Phillips spoke and took questions.  I asked about budget based on the Stanford situation and he said there was no talk about cutting anything.  One person asked about having a placque or something with Dyche's name so it isn't forgotten.  Somebody asked about Wrigley, but there is no news.  I did not get a chance to ask about football traffic control.  I will try to corral him at a later date as this is my BIG pet peeve.


-- "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
This is a team playing for:
1. Carmody's Legacy (and maybe job)
2. Moore's (and the other 3 Seniors) career
4. The future of NU Basketball,
3. and then the Wildcat Faithful

We're halfway thru the season, but still under .500 in conference, so we've
got to continue to play the way we can.

Still think that Iowa is beatable, so is Indy at home, so that's 3 more
wins. Now we need to win the rest of the home games, and we're even highly
ranked in the Big 10 Tourney. [and could a win over the 'noise be in the
cards?]

Go Cats

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
A Few Basic Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
Its all been tried, and failed.
================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:21 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win!

I must say, I never realized how much fun basketball on the Big Ten Network
could be before!:)

Another big win for the Cats tonight. Not sure I'll mention the T-word, but
this group is starting to have the feel of 1993-94's squad (when I'm
convinced we could have won the Big Ten tourney ... if they had one back
then) and catching fire. Thankfully this time, we appear to be heating up
early enough that we could do some damage if we keep it up.

Welsh-Ryan is also starting to rock like it did toward the end of that
season. Sure, there was a lot of red tonight, but the student section looked
packed and LOUD and if we can get full houses in our little barn, it really
creates a big home court advantage.

Gotta win these next two vs. Chicago State and Iowa, though, to really start
getting serious - Iowa for the .500 conference mark and CSU for the overall
mark.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!



      

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From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Jan 31 23:17:37 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Jan 31 23:17:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win!
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These last few games have been such an all-around effort, I'd have a 
hard time naming an MVP of this team.  Coble is the obvious choice for 
the conventional reasons, but you have to consider Moore for his 
shooting, his senior leadership, and the ice-water in his veins at 
crunch time and Nash for the spark and energy he has given this team 
with his defense and occasional well-timed offensive spark.  I actually 
think that Coble would be third on my list right now.  I'd probably have 
to go with Moore for mid-season MVP because Nash gets the obvious 
Defensive award.  What does everyone else think?

-M

mlinhardt@netzero.com wrote:
> Just got back from the game.
>
> Moore and Nash were both excellent.  Moore for offense and freethrow shooting(8-8).  Nash for the quality defense and general enthusiasm.
>
> Either Coble was off or Wisky did a superior defensive job.
>
> Freethrow shooting 1st half 2-7 vs. Wisky 9-9.  Ouch!!!!!!!!!!
> 2nd half we outshot them 2-1.  16-21(8-13 without Moore) vs. Wisky 7-10.
>
> We went to the Fast Break Club before the game.  John Davidson and Jim Phillips spoke and took questions.  I asked about budget based on the Stanford situation and he said there was no talk about cutting anything.  One person asked about having a placque or something with Dyche's name so it isn't forgotten.  Somebody asked about Wrigley, but there is no news.  I did not get a chance to ask about football traffic control.  I will try to corral him at a later date as this is my BIG pet peeve.
>
>
> -- "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
> This is a team playing for:
> 1. Carmody's Legacy (and maybe job)
> 2. Moore's (and the other 3 Seniors) career
> 4. The future of NU Basketball,
> 3. and then the Wildcat Faithful
>
> We're halfway thru the season, but still under .500 in conference, so we've
> got to continue to play the way we can.
>
> Still think that Iowa is beatable, so is Indy at home, so that's 3 more
> wins. Now we need to win the rest of the home games, and we're even highly
> ranked in the Big 10 Tourney. [and could a win over the 'noise be in the
> cards?]
>
> Go Cats
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
> Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> A Few Basic Truths:
>   You cannot Legislate Morality
>   You cannot Litigate Peace
>   You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
>   Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
> Its all been tried, and failed.
> ================================================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:21 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win!
>
> I must say, I never realized how much fun basketball on the Big Ten Network
> could be before!:)
>
> Another big win for the Cats tonight. Not sure I'll mention the T-word, but
> this group is starting to have the feel of 1993-94's squad (when I'm
> convinced we could have won the Big Ten tourney ... if they had one back
> then) and catching fire. Thankfully this time, we appear to be heating up
> early enough that we could do some damage if we keep it up.
>
> Welsh-Ryan is also starting to rock like it did toward the end of that
> season. Sure, there was a lot of red tonight, but the student section looked
> packed and LOUD and if we can get full houses in our little barn, it really
> creates a big home court advantage.
>
> Gotta win these next two vs. Chicago State and Iowa, though, to really start
> getting serious - Iowa for the .500 conference mark and CSU for the overall
> mark.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
>
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