From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Feb  1 01:02:28 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Feb  1 01:02:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win!
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Moore.  Definitely.

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> These last few games have been such an all-around effort, I'd have a hard 
> time naming an MVP of this team.  Coble is the obvious choice for the 
> conventional reasons, but you have to consider Moore for his shooting, his 
> senior leadership, and the ice-water in his veins at crunch time and Nash 
> for the spark and energy he has given this team with his defense and 
> occasional well-timed offensive spark.  I actually think that Coble would 
> be third on my list right now.  I'd probably have to go with Moore for 
> mid-season MVP because Nash gets the obvious Defensive award.  What does 
> everyone else think?
>
> -M
>
> mlinhardt@netzero.com wrote:
>> Just got back from the game.
>>
>> Moore and Nash were both excellent.  Moore for offense and freethrow 
>> shooting(8-8).  Nash for the quality defense and general enthusiasm.
>>
>> Either Coble was off or Wisky did a superior defensive job.
>>
>> Freethrow shooting 1st half 2-7 vs. Wisky 9-9.  Ouch!!!!!!!!!!
>> 2nd half we outshot them 2-1.  16-21(8-13 without Moore) vs. Wisky 7-10.
>>
>> We went to the Fast Break Club before the game.  John Davidson and Jim 
>> Phillips spoke and took questions.  I asked about budget based on the 
>> Stanford situation and he said there was no talk about cutting anything. 
>> One person asked about having a placque or something with Dyche's name so 
>> it isn't forgotten.  Somebody asked about Wrigley, but there is no news. 
>> I did not get a chance to ask about football traffic control.  I will try 
>> to corral him at a later date as this is my BIG pet peeve.
>>
>>
>> -- "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
>> This is a team playing for:
>> 1. Carmody's Legacy (and maybe job)
>> 2. Moore's (and the other 3 Seniors) career
>> 4. The future of NU Basketball,
>> 3. and then the Wildcat Faithful
>>
>> We're halfway thru the season, but still under .500 in conference, so 
>> we've
>> got to continue to play the way we can.
>>
>> Still think that Iowa is beatable, so is Indy at home, so that's 3 more
>> wins. Now we need to win the rest of the home games, and we're even 
>> highly
>> ranked in the Big 10 Tourney. [and could a win over the 'noise be in the
>> cards?]
>>
>> Go Cats
>>
>> rsl
>>
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>> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
>> Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
>> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:21 PM
>> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win!
>>
>> I must say, I never realized how much fun basketball on the Big Ten 
>> Network
>> could be before!:)
>>
>> Another big win for the Cats tonight. Not sure I'll mention the T-word, 
>> but
>> this group is starting to have the feel of 1993-94's squad (when I'm
>> convinced we could have won the Big Ten tourney ... if they had one back
>> then) and catching fire. Thankfully this time, we appear to be heating up
>> early enough that we could do some damage if we keep it up.
>>
>> Welsh-Ryan is also starting to rock like it did toward the end of that
>> season. Sure, there was a lot of red tonight, but the student section 
>> looked
>> packed and LOUD and if we can get full houses in our little barn, it 
>> really
>> creates a big home court advantage.
>>
>> Gotta win these next two vs. Chicago State and Iowa, though, to really 
>> start
>> getting serious - Iowa for the .500 conference mark and CSU for the 
>> overall
>> mark.
>>
>> GO CATS!!!
>> -SjT
>>
>> * * * * * * * * *
>> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>> sjtruog@yahoo.com
>> GO CATS!!!
>>
>>
>>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Feb  1 07:45:59 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun Feb  1 07:46:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win!
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE02EDF305@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

This is a team that is maturing before our eyes. This could have very easily been a replay of the Purdue game. Instead every time wisky threatened to pull away, NU made a big play. We got the lead in the last couple of minutes, played very smart clock defense and made the FTs.  This is a team that believes in themselves and has learned how to win. 

Should be a fun season. 

Also an opportunity for those Carmody-haters to eat a little crow.

Jeff

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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Cats win!

This is a team playing for:
1. Carmody's Legacy (and maybe job)
2. Moore's (and the other 3 Seniors) career
4. The future of NU Basketball,
3. and then the Wildcat Faithful

We're halfway thru the season, but still under .500 in conference, so we've
got to continue to play the way we can.

Still think that Iowa is beatable, so is Indy at home, so that's 3 more
wins. Now we need to win the rest of the home games, and we're even highly
ranked in the Big 10 Tourney. [and could a win over the 'noise be in the
cards?]

Go Cats

rsl

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:21 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win!

I must say, I never realized how much fun basketball on the Big Ten Network
could be before!:)

Another big win for the Cats tonight. Not sure I'll mention the T-word, but
this group is starting to have the feel of 1993-94's squad (when I'm
convinced we could have won the Big Ten tourney ... if they had one back
then) and catching fire. Thankfully this time, we appear to be heating up
early enough that we could do some damage if we keep it up.

Welsh-Ryan is also starting to rock like it did toward the end of that
season. Sure, there was a lot of red tonight, but the student section looked
packed and LOUD and if we can get full houses in our little barn, it really
creates a big home court advantage.

Gotta win these next two vs. Chicago State and Iowa, though, to really start
getting serious - Iowa for the .500 conference mark and CSU for the overall
mark.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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GO CATS!!!



      

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Feb  1 09:42:45 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb  1 09:43:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The white elephant in the living room
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The T word ?

They don't send teams who go .500 in conference to the NCAA (unless they win their conference tournament). Now the NIT is another story

But still congrats are in order for winning 4 out of 5 in conference. I don't know when the last time (if any) that has ever happened

Harry
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?? Ok; say we win tonight, convincingly, do we talk about the "T" word?? Coble , at times, has looked like an All-American.? Moore provides leadership abilities as well as a healthy dose of treys.? Thompson is the glue as well as athleticism.? Carm has pulled the right strings as he's injected Nash into 20-25 minutes a game, and Jeremy has been a big pain in the ass for opposing offenses.
? The rebounding remains questionable, and we need to get more turnovers to have a chance.? I contend that this group has figured out something "between the ears", as we didn't play our best vs. IU, yet still figured out how to win.
? If we can beat Wisconsin, we can start to think "of other things".? If we lose, I can handle staying in a win 2 of 3 mode, and we'll see in a couple weeks.
? Also, Wisky's lost 5 in a row since thrashing us in Madison.? Let's throw gas on the fire.?? Cats 68? Wisky 62.

????????? GO CATS!!!??????????? Erix
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From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Feb  1 11:08:36 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Feb  1 11:08:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The white elephant in the living room
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Actually, though it hasn't been a slam-dunk in the last few years, with 
the mid-majors getting a lot more respect, it was not that long ago that 
a winning -- and sometimes even .500 -- conference record (along with a 
near-perfect non-conference record) in one of the major conferences 
would guarantee you a spot in the big dance.  I'm still not sure that it 
will require winning the conference tourney, either.  But things have 
changed and I think that with our non-conference schedule it'll take a 
10-8 conference record and one win in the Big Ten tournament to have a 
chance at a spot in the field of 65.  The strength (or lack thereof) of 
our non-conference schedule will definitely hurt us, and the end of the 
conference schedule is not kind, with two tough road games (PU and dOSU) 
to finish the season.  But if we defend home court (Chicago State, 
Illinois, Michigan, dOSU, and Iowa) and win at Indiana, that would give 
us 18 wins and a .500 conference record.  So steal one more road game 
(Iowa, Minnesota, Purdue, or dOSU) and that's 19 wins overall with a 
winning conference record.  Throw in a first round win (and hopefully 
more) in the conference tourney to get to 20 wins and our chances are 
not bad.  Not great, but not bad.

I know, I'm an optimist, but this is by no means impossible the way that 
they're playing right now.  But notice that I didn't use the capital T 
word.  Wouldn't want to jinx anything.  :-)

-Michael

hakirsch@aol.com wrote:
> The T word ?
>
> They don't send teams who go .500 in conference to the NCAA (unless they win their conference tournament). Now the NIT is another story
>
> But still congrats are in order for winning 4 out of 5 in conference. I don't know when the last time (if any) that has ever happened
>
> Harry
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> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Jan 31, 2009 3:54 PM
> Subject: [NU Sports] The white elephant in the living room
>
> ?? Ok; say we win tonight, convincingly, do we talk about the "T" word?? Coble , at times, has looked like an All-American.? Moore provides leadership abilities as well as a healthy dose of treys.? Thompson is the glue as well as athleticism.? Carm has pulled the right strings as he's injected Nash into 20-25 minutes a game, and Jeremy has been a big pain in the ass for opposing offenses.
> ? The rebounding remains questionable, and we need to get more turnovers to have a chance.? I contend that this group has figured out something "between the ears", as we didn't play our best vs. IU, yet still figured out how to win.
> ? If we can beat Wisconsin, we can start to think "of other things".? If we lose, I can handle staying in a win 2 of 3 mode, and we'll see in a couple weeks.
> ? Also, Wisky's lost 5 in a row since thrashing us in Madison.? Let's throw gas on the fire.?? Cats 68? Wisky 62.
>
> ????????? GO CATS!!!??????????? Erix
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Feb  2 15:23:58 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Feb  2 15:25:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] FW: Big Ten Network TV feature on NU women's hoops
 coach, formerly of GWU
Message-ID: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A65F8BE7F74@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1155394229/bctid9575332001
(see video @ right side of screen)
Anchor is NU alum Dave Revsine & reporter is NU alum Ann Kreiter.


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Feb  3 16:23:17 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Feb  3 16:23:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Latest from Evanston?
Message-ID: <002001c9864e$03617720$0a246560$@com>

The Latest from the AdvoCat Folks

WILDCAT MEN'S BASKETBALL (12-7 record)
After 3 consecutive Big Ten home wins, be sure to get your tickets NOW for
the rest of the season!

Wednesday, February 4 vs. Chicago State at 7 p.m. - Special Olympics at
halftime

Thursday, February 12 vs. Illinois at 8 p.m. - Very limited space remaining!

Sunday, February 15 vs. Michigan at 2 p.m. - Kids Day

Wednesday, February 18 vs. Ohio State at 8 p.m. - Careers in Medicine
Networking Night

Saturday, February 28 vs. Iowa at 1 p.m. - Senior Day

WILDCAT FOOTBALL - 2009 SIGNING DAY
NUsports.com is set to present complete coverage of Signing Day for Wildcat
fans on Wednesday, Feb. 4. Northwestern's web site is your source for
official Wildcat Signing Day coverage.

Video Coverage of Signing Day - Northwestern's noon (CT) news conference
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service. In addition, the popular highlight videos for every new Wildcat
also will be released exclusively on NUsports.com. (Please note that ONLY
members of the media can attend the news conference.)

Official News Release/Bios - Just prior to the official announcement at
noon, Northwestern's official news release will be posted on NUsports.com.

Signing Day Blog - Once again this year, NUsports.com will blog throughout
the morning and keep track of the NLI's as they churn out from the fax
machine.

Email Your Questions to Fitz - Email us Wednesday morning (Feb. 4) with a
question you'd like to have Coach Fitzgerald answer during his noon news
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From yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu  Tue Feb  3 20:08:16 2009
From: yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu (Evan Bradley)
Date: Tue Feb  3 20:08:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears sign Basanez
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http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/huddleup/2009/02/bears-sign-former-nu-qb-basanez.html

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Feb  3 21:22:23 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Feb  3 21:22:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bears sign Basanez
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Finally, they have a QB!

rsl

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Feb  4 09:52:04 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Feb  4 09:52:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Trib article on signing day
Message-ID: <200902041552.n14Fq4d7014380@romaine.tssi.com>

Reposted from the Husker List, I think the reference to Northwestern
is a positive one.

> Interesting article from this morning's Chicago Tribune about the number of
> decommitments.
> 
> http://bit.ly/unIV

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Feb  4 12:20:40 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Feb  4 12:20:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Trib article on signing day
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Zooker has had a lot of kids say they're coming to Champagne, then have them
change their minds when they get home...

Something like Buyer's remorse?

Meanwhile, the Cats, as usual, are getting everyone they had a commit from,
and it's because Fitz has the same recruiting ethic that RW did - a
commitment is a commitment.

rsl

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Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
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Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:52 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Trib article on signing day

Reposted from the Husker List, I think the reference to Northwestern
is a positive one.

> Interesting article from this morning's Chicago Tribune about the number
of
> decommitments.
> 
> http://bit.ly/unIV

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Feb  4 15:17:45 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb  4 15:17:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] signing day
Message-ID: <c0f.44cea2c0.36bb5ff9@aol.com>

Every year the Sentinel lists all the Florida kids and where they are  going. 
This year we got one. Why can't we recruit in Florida?
 
 

Meanwhile, the Cats, as usual, are getting everyone they had a  commit from,
and it's because Fitz has the same recruiting ethic that RW did  - a
commitment is a  commitment.

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Feb  4 15:34:32 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Feb  4 15:34:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] signing day 
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> Every year the Sentinel lists all the Florida kids and where they are  going. 
> This year we got one. Why can't we recruit in Florida?

As much as I might want to agree with Roy's statement (below), kids who
sign with Northwestern are largely different from kids who sign with
the football factory schools, and that may be a far greater factor
in decommits than the ethos Fitz projects.  

That affect how well NU can recruit in places like Florida, though the
midwest weather may be a factor there, too.

Far too many of those kids aren't good enough students to get into 
Northwestern in the first place, and many of the ones who are being sought 
by the football factories have NFL dreams that Northwestern isn't (as) 
likely to make come true.   

Also, I've known a few young men who were being recruited, few of us 
faced that kind of attention and pressure when we were that age.  

> Meanwhile, the Cats, as usual, are getting everyone they had a  commit from,
> and it's because Fitz has the same recruiting ethic that RW did  - a
> commitment is a  commitment.
--
Mike Nolan

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Feb  4 20:45:51 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb  4 20:46:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
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NU wins the gimme over Chicago State-

But the big surprise is that MSU is up by 30 over Minny early in the 2nd half

Harry


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From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 14:54:29 2009
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Thu Feb  5 14:54:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz on BTN
References: <200902051000.n15A03nJ019293@romaine.tssi.com>
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In case no one saw this on the nusports.com site.

http://mfile.akamai.com/26781/wmv/cstv.download.akamai.com/8108/open/nw/08-09/video/m-footbl/02feb/0204fitz.wmv

GO 'CATS!

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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Feb  5 15:23:58 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Feb  5 15:24:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fitz on BTN
References: <200902051000.n15A03nJ019293@romaine.tssi.com>
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I wonder if Fitz will redshirt his new baby?

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Feb  5 16:18:30 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb  5 16:18:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] signing day 
Message-ID: <cdb.4afcb706.36bcbfb6@aol.com>

Out of the top 100 prospects in Florida, Michigan got 4, OSU 3, Wisky 2,  and 
Minny Ilini and Perdoo 1, we got zero
 
 
In a message dated 2/4/2009 4:35:03 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
nolan@romaine.tssi.com writes:

>  Every year the Sentinel lists all the Florida kids and where they are   
going. 
> This year we got one. Why can't we recruit in  Florida?

As much as I might want to agree with Roy's statement (below),  kids who
sign with Northwestern are largely different from kids who sign  with
the football factory schools, and that may be a far greater  factor
in decommits than the ethos Fitz projects.  

That affect  how well NU can recruit in places like Florida, though the
midwest weather  may be a factor there, too.

Far too many of those kids aren't good  enough students to get into 
Northwestern in the first place, and many of  the ones who are being sought 
by the football factories have NFL dreams  that Northwestern isn't (as) 
likely to make come true.    

Also, I've known a few young men who were being recruited, few of us  
faced that kind of attention and pressure when we were that age.   

> Meanwhile, the Cats, as usual, are getting everyone they had  a  commit 
from,
> and it's because Fitz has the same recruiting  ethic that RW did  - a
> commitment is a   commitment.
--
Mike  Nolan

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  5 16:29:58 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Feb  5 16:30:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] signing day
In-Reply-To: <cdb.4afcb706.36bcbfb6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <77386.3527.qm@web33103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> Out of the top 100 prospects in Florida, Michigan got 4, OSU
> 3, Wisky 2,  and 
> Minny Ilini and Perdoo 1, we got zero

For what it's worth, the Trib hard a somewhat revealing chart today. 

I could find the chart on the website, but if memory serves, of the top 50 prospects according to Rivals, the SEC grabbed something like 35%, followed by the other BCS conferences, with the Big Ten all the way down at 9% or thereabouts. Only the Big East ranked lower. 

I don't know if Rivals ratings are worth the paper they were written on, but it was a discouraging bit of information. 

Tom

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Feb  5 16:58:30 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb  5 16:58:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] signing day
Message-ID: <c10.529d00d4.36bcc916@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/5/2009 2:30:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
tkmaycock@yahoo.com writes:

> I don't know if Rivals ratings are worth the paper they were written on, 
> but it was a discouraging bit of information. 
> 
> Tom
> 

I think they are worth the paper they are printed on--However, having said 
that, I believe that the rankings are not that key for a school like NU--We are 
rarely going to get top prospects, and it's the middle and lower  guys (which 
are very hard to rank) that make or break it for us--Tryell was a prime 
example--Most of our stars of recent years were not top 50 guys--

BTW SI did a nice job a few weeks ago chronicalling the conferences and the 
high school location of all of their players--As you would expect most of the 
SEC talent came from the South--though the BT was a bit more spread out than  
jsut the Mid-west-- I think one guy was dotted from New England for the whole 
BT--of course that was our own DB Brendan Smith  from Massachusetts

Harry


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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Feb  5 18:50:47 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Feb  5 18:51:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] signing day
References: <c10.529d00d4.36bcc916@aol.com>
Message-ID: <46D5767BDC354D33B70B00A593030225@DennisMachine>

>  I believe that the rankings are not that key for a school like NU

They are if we're ever to be a serious contender for a national 
championship.  Any goal lower than that is that of a loser.  There are very 
good students who happen to be also very good football players.  I yearn to 
see a recruiting class with some five-stars on it.


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Feb  5 20:38:34 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Feb  5 20:38:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] signing day
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All of the ratings are only as good as the data that is put into the system.

Several years ago, one of the old Rival's sites did a breakdown of their top
prospects 5 years later.

5 Star kids had all wound up starting, unless they had been injured, and
there was a pretty good list of those.

4 Star Kids were hit and miss, most had to redshirt and ride pine for 2
years before they got on the field regularly

3 Star kids tended to redshirt, then play part time until they were Seniors.

Lower rarely saw the field in Div I.

However, the guys who worked the numbers admitted that the number of stars
you got did not reflect itself in playing in the NFL. NU almost proves that
rule - RW's first 4 star was Loren Howard - who got hurt and never played
NFL ball. 

Almost all of our NFL guys were 3 star prospects.

The bottom line is that you can't predict how good a kid will eventually
become based on their Junior video. Too many kids are offered because they
got on the field as Soph's and looked good to the recruiting "gurus" but for
whatever reason, they don't pan out.

I know kids who have terrific Senior seasons, but because the offers were
all done the Spring before, got overlooked. Kids who don't start
kindergarten until they are 5 years old, have better senior years than those
who are rushed into school at 4, and many kids who develop at 18, just don't
get recruited. 

It's bad in Football, but even worse in baseball and basketball because of
the early signing period.

In any case, figure the 5 star kids to really do well, and everyone else's
future is based on where they go, how well they adapt and how good their
position coach is.

BTW - Joe Flacco left Div I Pittsburgh because he never could beat out the
other frosh & Soph QB there. He transferred to Delaware and nobody remembers
who that "better" QB was.

rsl 

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I don't know if Rivals ratings are worth the paper they were written on, but
it was a discouraging bit of information. 

Tom


From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Feb  5 22:02:08 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Feb  5 22:02:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] signing day
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE02EDF33C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Losers are those kids who squander their education in hopes of an NFL career. Losers are the coaches who sacrifice kids futures in the vain pursuit of football glory. Losers are the administrations and fans who support and encourage this attitude. 

Don't know if you saw fitz's goals for the team this year. They showed the list during the alamo bowl. In addition to winning the BT and a bowl game, it said that every player earn their degree.

That's the sort of winner I want representing our school. 

Jeff

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] signing day

>  I believe that the rankings are not that key for a school like NU

They are if we're ever to be a serious contender for a national 
championship.  Any goal lower than that is that of a loser.  There are very 
good students who happen to be also very good football players.  I yearn to 
see a recruiting class with some five-stars on it.



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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Feb  6 03:33:37 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Feb  6 03:33:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] signing day
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<Losers are those kids who squander their education in hopes of an NFL 
career.
< Losers are the coaches who sacrifice kids futures in the vain pursuit of 
football glory.
< Losers are the administrations and fans who support and encourage this 
attitude.
<Don't know if you saw fitz's goals for the team this year. They showed the 
list during the alamo bowl.
< In addition to winning the BT and a bowl game, it said that every player 
earn their degree.
<That's the sort of winner I want representing our school.


The two are NOT mutually exclusive.  You missed the part where I said, 
"There are very
good students who happen to be also very good football players."  Penn State 
just signed
a great player who has a 4.0 average. 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Feb  6 06:23:16 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Feb  6 06:23:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] signing day
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That's a variation of the RW goals in the meeting room.

First goal was to be a Northwestern Graduate
Second was win a National Championship
Third was win the Big 10

I've actually got a picture of the sign and I think I'll put it up on Purple Reign again later today.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:02 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] signing day

Losers are those kids who squander their education in hopes of an NFL career. Losers are the coaches who sacrifice kids futures in the vain pursuit of football glory. Losers are the administrations and fans who support and encourage this attitude. 

Don't know if you saw fitz's goals for the team this year. They showed the list during the alamo bowl. In addition to winning the BT and a bowl game, it said that every player earn their degree.

That's the sort of winner I want representing our school. 

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
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To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Thu Feb 05 19:50:47 2009
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] signing day

>  I believe that the rankings are not that key for a school like NU

They are if we're ever to be a serious contender for a national 
championship.  Any goal lower than that is that of a loser.  There are very 
good students who happen to be also very good football players.  I yearn to 
see a recruiting class with some five-stars on it.



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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Fri Feb  6 09:38:46 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Fri Feb  6 09:38:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] signing day
In-Reply-To: <D49A9C7052E94E48B90A3A7999D07318@DennisMachine>
References: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE02EDF33C@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>
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Message-ID: <498C5986.6060303@northwestern.edu>

Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
> [Jeff Beamsley wrote]
> <Losers are those kids who squander their education in hopes of an NFL 
> career.
> < Losers are the coaches who sacrifice kids futures in the vain 
> pursuit of football glory.
> < Losers are the administrations and fans who support and encourage 
> this attitude.
> <Don't know if you saw fitz's goals for the team this year. They 
> showed the list during the alamo bowl.
> < In addition to winning the BT and a bowl game, it said that every 
> player earn their degree.
> <That's the sort of winner I want representing our school.
>
>
> The two are NOT mutually exclusive.  You missed the part where I said, 
> "There are very
> good students who happen to be also very good football players."  Penn 
> State just signed
> a great player who has a 4.0 average.

Recruiting players who aren't so-called "five stars" and having a 
successful football program aren't mutually exclusive either. I don't 
see the point in implying that our football players are losers just 
because a severely (and inherently) flawed teenager-evaluation system 
didn't give them enough stars. (And yes, that's exactly what bringing 
the word "loser" into this discussion did.)

If our recruits don't perform on the field, criticize away. I'll never 
see the value in premature doom-and-gloom, though, especially based on 
something as silly as recruiting rankings. Is all that pessimism just a 
race to be the first who might be able to say "I told you so" later?

P.S. It's beside the point, but with inflated HS grades 4.0 averages are 
practically a dime a dozen. NU shouldn't be expected to get them all, 
even if one sets aside the issues of football style and/or program fit. 
Good for Penn State, I guess, but in general vague anecdotes don't prove 
a lot.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 10:11:39 2009
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Fri Feb  6 10:11:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
References: <200902061000.n16A02nJ025603@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <609091.56661.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I yearn for something a little simpler: to see NU as a serious contender for a CONFERENCE championship every year.  

I know there are differing camps on this list about BCS/MNC/playoffs and so on, but me, I am simply happy to see the conference championship trophy in the Nortwestern Athletic Department as often as possible.  If it has repercussions beyond that, fine, but don't think for a minute that I would rather travel to Miami for some BCS/MNC/playoff 'national championship' instead of Pasadena..

And if that makes me a loser, well, pour honey on me and bury me in an ant hill 'cause I'm guilty and I don't wanna be innocent.

GO 'CATS!

Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey@yahoo.com




----- Original Message ----

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:50:47 -0500
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] signing day
To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>

>  I believe that the rankings are not that key for a school like NU

They are if we're ever to be a serious contender for a national 
championship.  Any goal lower than that is that of a loser.  There are very 
good students who happen to be also very good football players.  I yearn to 
see a recruiting class with some five-stars on it.


      

From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Feb  6 10:55:47 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Feb  6 10:55:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
References: <200902061000.n16A02nJ025603@romaine.tssi.com>
	<609091.56661.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DD3F169EAEEF41C48AF275D038175EFA@DennisMachine>

So let's get this straight:  All you doctors, lawyers, business people, etc. 
who have done so well from your days at Northwestern are content to be 
middling?  I assume you are not content with the average or even the merely 
good.  Why expect it from your football team?

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:11 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day


>I yearn for something a little simpler: to see NU as a serious contender 
>for a CONFERENCE championship every year.
>
> I know there are differing camps on this list about BCS/MNC/playoffs and 
> so on, but me, I am simply happy to see the conference championship trophy 
> in the Nortwestern Athletic Department as often as possible.  If it has 
> repercussions beyond that, fine, but don't think for a minute that I would 
> rather travel to Miami for some BCS/MNC/playoff 'national championship' 
> instead of Pasadena..
>
> And if that makes me a loser, well, pour honey on me and bury me in an ant 
> hill 'cause I'm guilty and I don't wanna be innocent.
>
> GO 'CATS!
>
> Christopher Bailey
> christopher_bailey@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>
> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:50:47 -0500
> From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] signing day
> To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
>
>>  I believe that the rankings are not that key for a school like NU
>
> They are if we're ever to be a serious contender for a national
> championship.  Any goal lower than that is that of a loser.  There are 
> very
> good students who happen to be also very good football players.  I yearn 
> to
> see a recruiting class with some five-stars on it.
>
>
>
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Feb  6 11:02:27 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb  6 11:02:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
Message-ID: <1652355929-1233939689-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-781358365-@bxe157.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I think we all realize that if we maintain our academic standards we are almost surely not going to win a national title

In the last 50 years probably only ND and BYU are the only high academic schools to win a football championship. I think its because you need 22 top guys to win not a handful.  And if ND is the last team remember its been 20 years

Harry
------Original Message------
From: Christopher Bailey
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Feb 6, 2009 8:11 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day

I yearn for something a little simpler: to see NU as a serious contender for a CONFERENCE championship every year.  

I know there are differing camps on this list about BCS/MNC/playoffs and so on, but me, I am simply happy to see the conference championship trophy in the Nortwestern Athletic Department as often as possible.  If it has repercussions beyond that, fine, but don't think for a minute that I would rather travel to Miami for some BCS/MNC/playoff 'national championship' instead of Pasadena..

And if that makes me a loser, well, pour honey on me and bury me in an ant hill 'cause I'm guilty and I don't wanna be innocent.

GO 'CATS!

Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey@yahoo.com




----- Original Message ----

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:50:47 -0500
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] signing day
To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>

>  I believe that the rankings are not that key for a school like NU

They are if we're ever to be a serious contender for a national 
championship.  Any goal lower than that is that of a loser.  There are very 
good students who happen to be also very good football players.  I yearn to 
see a recruiting class with some five-stars on it.


      

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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Fri Feb  6 11:09:19 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Fri Feb  6 11:09:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
In-Reply-To: <DD3F169EAEEF41C48AF275D038175EFA@DennisMachine>
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Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
> So let's get this straight:  All you doctors, lawyers, business 
> people, etc. who have done so well from your days at Northwestern are 
> content to be middling?  I assume you are not content with the average 
> or even the merely good.  Why expect it from your football team?


So let's get this straight: you think that Afghanistan should change its 
name to "Zafghanistan" so that some other country can get a turn at 
being alphabetically first? It's as accurate a summary of your 
statements as yours is of ours.

If you want to try again, you can start by explaining how seriously 
contending for the Big Ten championship every year equals "middling," 
then move on to what recruiting rankings have to do with anything 
substantial.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Feb  6 11:16:43 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Feb  6 11:17:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
In-Reply-To: <498C6EBF.1000708@northwestern.edu>
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Northwestern football has it's priorities straight when it comes to goals.
Clearly listed in the football meeting/film room are the following
priorities: graduate, be national champions, be Big Ten champions, be bowl
champions.  Fitz has done nothing but say the right things in terms of
priorities and has the program aiming high - i.e. this season wanting not
only to make a bowl game but win (NU got closer to achieving that than it
has in 60 years), and his "one game at a time" attitude was really taken up
by this whole team and one could see the results in the record.

We may have our own thoughts on this list, but the fact is that the program
has its head in the right place and is always aiming high.  Even if they
know a national title is a pipe dream, they would never admit it publicly
and are always striving to succeed.

Jonathan

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu> wrote:

> Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
>
>> So let's get this straight:  All you doctors, lawyers, business people,
>> etc. who have done so well from your days at Northwestern are content to be
>> middling?  I assume you are not content with the average or even the merely
>> good.  Why expect it from your football team?
>>
>
>
> So let's get this straight: you think that Afghanistan should change its
> name to "Zafghanistan" so that some other country can get a turn at being
> alphabetically first? It's as accurate a summary of your statements as yours
> is of ours.
>
> If you want to try again, you can start by explaining how seriously
> contending for the Big Ten championship every year equals "middling," then
> move on to what recruiting rankings have to do with anything substantial.
>
>
> Eric West
> e-west@northwestern.edu
>
>
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From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Fri Feb  6 11:18:17 2009
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Fri Feb  6 11:18:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
In-Reply-To: <DD3F169EAEEF41C48AF275D038175EFA@DennisMachine>
References: <200902061000.n16A02nJ025603@romaine.tssi.com><609091.56661.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<DD3F169EAEEF41C48AF275D038175EFA@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <2D8F294E339B4EC98D44316C8826AE1E@Latitude>

Nope, some of us would just get more enjoyment seeing NU in The Rose Bowl
than in a BCS championship game.  For some of us, who for more than 1/2 a
century believed in and enjoyed the Big Ten/Pac Ten tradition, The Rose Bowl
is and will always be greater and better than the BCS ever could be.
Peter Warner
One of the lawyers

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:56 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: signing day

So let's get this straight:  All you doctors, lawyers, business people, etc.

who have done so well from your days at Northwestern are content to be 
middling?  I assume you are not content with the average or even the merely 
good.  Why expect it from your football team?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Bailey" <christopher_bailey@yahoo.com>
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:11 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day


>I yearn for something a little simpler: to see NU as a serious contender 
>for a CONFERENCE championship every year.
>
> I know there are differing camps on this list about BCS/MNC/playoffs and 
> so on, but me, I am simply happy to see the conference championship trophy

> in the Nortwestern Athletic Department as often as possible.  If it has 
> repercussions beyond that, fine, but don't think for a minute that I would

> rather travel to Miami for some BCS/MNC/playoff 'national championship' 
> instead of Pasadena..
>
> And if that makes me a loser, well, pour honey on me and bury me in an ant

> hill 'cause I'm guilty and I don't wanna be innocent.
>
> GO 'CATS!
>
> Christopher Bailey
> christopher_bailey@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>
> Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:50:47 -0500
> From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] signing day
> To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
>
>>  I believe that the rankings are not that key for a school like NU
>
> They are if we're ever to be a serious contender for a national
> championship.  Any goal lower than that is that of a loser.  There are 
> very
> good students who happen to be also very good football players.  I yearn 
> to
> see a recruiting class with some five-stars on it.
>
>
>
>
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 11:33:24 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Fri Feb  6 11:33:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
In-Reply-To: <609091.56661.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <931799.90382.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> I yearn for something a little simpler: to see NU as a
> serious contender for a CONFERENCE championship every year. 
> 
> I know there are differing camps on this list about
> BCS/MNC/playoffs and so on, but me, I am simply happy to see
> the conference championship trophy in the Nortwestern
> Athletic Department as often as possible.  If it has
> repercussions beyond that, fine, but don't think for a
> minute that I would rather travel to Miami for some
> BCS/MNC/playoff 'national championship' instead of
> Pasadena..
> 
> And if that makes me a loser, well, pour honey on me and
> bury me in an ant hill 'cause I'm guilty and I
> don't wanna be innocent.

I'd like to nominate this as Post of the Year (so far). 

Tom

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Feb  6 13:17:24 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Feb  6 13:17:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
In-Reply-To: <931799.90382.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <609091.56661.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<931799.90382.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301c9888f$8b1e7620$a15b6260$@com>

All I know is that you can find top rebounders and top shooters on any
playground in any city in the nation.

But these kids will never do anything else because they don't anything
beyond the NBA and don't know how to work with others, and spend all their
time playing pickup games.

Some of these kids also try their hands at football, and some could be top
players, but they don't know anything beyond.... well you get my point.

The kid who holds the career rushing record for our HS blew off a full ride
to college, because he didn't want to fill out the forms. [True!] He did it
twice - once in his Senior year, and again a year later. He wasn't stupid,
he just didn't want to have to apply.

At least our kids are driven to succeed. How many engineering students,
pre-meds, and other disciplines have our football grads pursued after NU.
That is how I register success of the program, the one game at a time,
national and Big 10 championship is just icing on the cake.

Rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Maycock
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 12:33 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com; Christopher Bailey
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: signing day

> I yearn for something a little simpler: to see NU as a
> serious contender for a CONFERENCE championship every year. 
> 
> I know there are differing camps on this list about
> BCS/MNC/playoffs and so on, but me, I am simply happy to see
> the conference championship trophy in the Nortwestern
> Athletic Department as often as possible.  If it has
> repercussions beyond that, fine, but don't think for a
> minute that I would rather travel to Miami for some
> BCS/MNC/playoff 'national championship' instead of
> Pasadena..
> 
> And if that makes me a loser, well, pour honey on me and
> bury me in an ant hill 'cause I'm guilty and I
> don't wanna be innocent.

I'd like to nominate this as Post of the Year (so far). 

Tom

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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 13:22:34 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Fri Feb  6 13:22:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I second Tom's nomination
Message-ID: <251362.52058.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Well put Mr. Bailey.

I of course would be delighted by a NU MNC but shouldn't we win a bowl game first? 

One thing at a time.

bw

"Happy are those who see beauty in the modest spots where others see nothing." -- Camille Pissaro

"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal


      

From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Feb  6 13:41:43 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb  6 13:42:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
In-Reply-To: <609091.56661.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <200902061000.n16A02nJ025603@romaine.tssi.com>
	<609091.56661.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB56AA12C2BE9F-D04-F7E@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com>

This is pretty random - but I see three Big Ten tiers

OSU/PSU/Michigan (not this year, of course) - expected to contend for the title every year

MSU/Iowa/NU/Wisc - sometimes challenge for first, consistently make a bowl

IU/PU/Minny/Illinois - inconsistent bowl teams

I think it is amazing that we are kinda/sorta gaining membership in tier 2

Is it realistic to hope for membership in that top tier ?

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Bailey <christopher_bailey@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:11 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day



I yearn for something a little simpler: to see NU as a serious contender for a 
CONFERENCE championship every year.  

I know there are differing camps on this list about BCS/MNC/playoffs and so on, 
but me, I am simply happy to see the conference championship trophy in the 
Nortwestern Athletic Department as often as possible.  If it has repercussions 
beyond that, fine, but don't think for a minute that I would rather travel to 
Miami for some BCS/MNC/playoff 'national championship' instead of Pasadena..

And if that makes me a loser, well, pour honey on me and bury me in an ant hill 
'cause I'm guilty and I don't wanna be innocent.

GO 'CATS!

Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey@yahoo.com




----- Original Message ----

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:50:47 -0500
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] signing day
To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>

>  I believe that the rankings are not that key for a school like NU

They are if we're ever to be a serious contender for a national 
championship.  Any goal lower than that is that of a loser.  There are very 
good students who happen to be also very good football players.  I yearn to 
see a recruiting class with some five-stars on it.


      

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From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 13:43:01 2009
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Fri Feb  6 13:43:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
References: <200902061917.n16JHNnJ028841@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <458917.96179.qm@web54504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I'm with Mr. Warner on this.

As I stated earlier:
"I know there are differing camps on this list about BCS/MNC/playoffs..."

In football, I am only interested in seeing NU win the conference and the Rose Bowl.  I didn't need more than that when I started cheering for NU in 1986 and two decades later I still don't.  

I respect the differing opinions others on this list have, I just don't share them.

GO 'CATS!

Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey@yahoo.com



-----Original Message-----
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:18:17 -0700
From: "Peter C. Warner" <pcw@warnerpatents.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>

Nope, some of us would just get more enjoyment seeing NU in The Rose Bowl
than in a BCS championship game.  For some of us, who for more than 1/2 a
century believed in and enjoyed the Big Ten/Pac Ten tradition, The Rose Bowl
is and will always be greater and better than the BCS ever could be.
Peter Warner
One of the lawyers

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 9:56 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: signing day

So let's get this straight:  All you doctors, lawyers, business people, etc.
who have done so well from your days at Northwestern are content to be 
middling?  I assume you are not content with the average or even the merely 
good.  Why expect it from your football team?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Bailey" <christopher_bailey@yahoo.com>
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 11:11 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day


>I yearn for something a little simpler: to see NU as a serious contender 
>for a CONFERENCE championship every year.
>
> I know there are differing camps on this list about BCS/MNC/playoffs and 
> so on, but me, I am simply happy to see the conference championship trophy
> in the Northwestern Athletic Department as often as possible.  If it has 
> repercussions beyond that, fine, but don't think for a minute that I would
> rather travel to Miami for some BCS/MNC/playoff 'national championship' 
> instead of Pasadena..
>
> And if that makes me a loser, well, pour honey on me and bury me in an ant
> hill 'cause I'm guilty and I don't wanna be innocent.
>
> GO 'CATS!
>
> Christopher Bailey
> christopher_bailey@yahoo.com


      

From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Feb  6 13:47:25 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb  6 13:47:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270902060916n5a6ce910ia75c33eabda2cbe4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200902061000.n16A02nJ025603@romaine.tssi.com><609091.56661.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com><DD3F169EAEEF41C48AF275D038175EFA@DennisMachine><498C6EBF.1000708@northwestern.edu>
	<fcb3ee270902060916n5a6ce910ia75c33eabda2cbe4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8CB56AADE5E7B47-D04-FF0@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com>

Let us remember it was only 13 years ago that we missed a perfect regular season by one game?due to a few problems on special teams.? That team may not have had any 4- or 5-star recruits.? As long as we have a schedule that allows 4 non-conference games (3 at home), and allows us to miss 2 conference teams a season, the possiblity, while faint, does remain

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
To: Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu>
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:16 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: signing day



Northwestern football has it's priorities straight when it comes to goals.
Clearly listed in the football meeting/film room are the following
priorities: graduate, be national champions, be Big Ten champions, be bowl
champions.  Fitz has done nothing but say the right things in terms of
priorities and has the program aiming high - i.e. this season wanting not
only to make a bowl game but win (NU got closer to achieving that than it
has in 60 years), and his "one game at a time" attitude was really taken up
by this whole team and one could see the results in the record.

We may have our own thoughts on this list, but the fact is that the program
has its head in the right place and is always aiming high.  Even if they
know a national title is a pipe dream, they would never admit it publicly
and are always striving to succeed.

Jonathan

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu> wrote:

> Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
>
>> So let's get this straight:  All you doctors, lawyers, business people,
>> etc. who have done so well from your days at Northwestern are content to be
>> middling?  I assume you are not content with the average or even the merely
>> good.  Why expect it from your football team?
>>
>
>
> So let's get this straight: you think that Afghanistan should change its
> name to "Zafghanistan" so that some other country can get a turn at being
> alphabetically first? It's as accurate a summary of your statements as yours
> is of ours.
>
> If you want to try again, you can start by explaining how seriously
> contending for the Big Ten championship every year equals "middling," then
> move on to what recruiting rankings have to do with anything substantial.
>
>
> Eric West
> e-west@northwestern.edu
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>



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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Feb  6 13:59:51 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Feb  6 13:59:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
In-Reply-To: <8CB56AADE5E7B47-D04-FF0@mblk-d40.sysops.aol.com>
References: <200902061000.n16A02nJ025603@romaine.tssi.com><609091.56661.qm@web54502.mail.re2.yahoo.com><DD3F169EAEEF41C48AF275D038175EFA@DennisMachine><498C6EBF.1000708@northwestern.edu><fcb3ee270902060916n5a6ce910ia75c33eabda2cbe4@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE04005AC4@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

This was a great recruiting class.

We were strongest in the Chicago area which is the way that it should
be.  This is our turf.  

Next we should be getting smart kids in the upper Midwest who choose NU
over Michigan or their local school because of academics.  That happened
too.  Finally, in other parts of the country we should be winning some
kids away from our peer academic schools (Stanford, Vandy, Duke, etc.).
It appears we did that too.

Every verbal signed, which demonstrates that these are good character
kids too.

We addressed skill positions where we had graduating seniors with high
potential recruits (QB, RB, LB, and receivers)

Don't know what more you could ask for.

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:47 PM
To: jonathanwhodges@gmail.com; e-west@northwestern.edu
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: signing day

Let us remember it was only 13 years ago that we missed a perfect
regular season by one game?due to a few problems on special teams.? That
team may not have had any 4- or 5-star recruits.? As long as we have a
schedule that allows 4 non-conference games (3 at home), and allows us
to miss 2 conference teams a season, the possiblity, while faint, does
remain

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
To: Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu>
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:16 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: signing day



Northwestern football has it's priorities straight when it comes to
goals.
Clearly listed in the football meeting/film room are the following
priorities: graduate, be national champions, be Big Ten champions, be
bowl champions.  Fitz has done nothing but say the right things in terms
of priorities and has the program aiming high - i.e. this season wanting
not only to make a bowl game but win (NU got closer to achieving that
than it has in 60 years), and his "one game at a time" attitude was
really taken up by this whole team and one could see the results in the
record.

We may have our own thoughts on this list, but the fact is that the
program has its head in the right place and is always aiming high.  Even
if they know a national title is a pipe dream, they would never admit it
publicly and are always striving to succeed.

Jonathan

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu>
wrote:

> Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
>
>> So let's get this straight:  All you doctors, lawyers, business 
>> people, etc. who have done so well from your days at Northwestern are

>> content to be middling?  I assume you are not content with the 
>> average or even the merely good.  Why expect it from your football
team?
>>
>
>
> So let's get this straight: you think that Afghanistan should change 
> its name to "Zafghanistan" so that some other country can get a turn 
> at being alphabetically first? It's as accurate a summary of your 
> statements as yours is of ours.
>
> If you want to try again, you can start by explaining how seriously 
> contending for the Big Ten championship every year equals "middling," 
> then move on to what recruiting rankings have to do with anything
substantial.
>
>
> Eric West
> e-west@northwestern.edu
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>



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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Fri Feb  6 14:04:51 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Fri Feb  6 14:07:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
Message-ID: <20090206.140451.28596.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

I mostly agree, but PSU should be moved down to tier 2.  They have not been that good, excluding this year, sugar bowl year, and 1994.

Purdue should be moved up to tier 2 until we determine whether Tiller was the equivalent of Mallory.  It was a mistake for IU to get rid of Mallory as they have not had any success from the subsequent 5 coaches.  Forcing out Tiller could be death of Purdue football.

Even Wisconsin might just now be seeing the long-term effects of Alvarez moving upstairs.

-- cherron604@aol.com wrote:
This is pretty random - but I see three Big Ten tiers

OSU/PSU/Michigan (not this year, of course) - expected to contend for the title every year

MSU/Iowa/NU/Wisc - sometimes challenge for first, consistently make a bowl

IU/PU/Minny/Illinois - inconsistent bowl teams

I think it is amazing that we are kinda/sorta gaining membership in tier 2

Is it realistic to hope for membership in that top tier ?

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Bailey <christopher_bailey@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 10:11 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day



I yearn for something a little simpler: to see NU as a serious contender for a 
CONFERENCE championship every year.  

I know there are differing camps on this list about BCS/MNC/playoffs and so on, 
but me, I am simply happy to see the conference championship trophy in the 
Nortwestern Athletic Department as often as possible.  If it has repercussions 
beyond that, fine, but don't think for a minute that I would rather travel to 
Miami for some BCS/MNC/playoff 'national championship' instead of Pasadena..

And if that makes me a loser, well, pour honey on me and bury me in an ant hill 
'cause I'm guilty and I don't wanna be innocent.

GO 'CATS!

Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey@yahoo.com




----- Original Message ----

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2009 19:50:47 -0500
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] signing day
To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>

>  I believe that the rankings are not that key for a school like NU

They are if we're ever to be a serious contender for a national 
championship.  Any goal lower than that is that of a loser.  There are very 
good students who happen to be also very good football players.  I yearn to 
see a recruiting class with some five-stars on it.


      

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Feb  6 14:16:08 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Feb  6 14:16:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day 
Message-ID: <200902062016.n16KG80b029248@romaine.tssi.com>

> MSU/Iowa/NU/Wisc - sometimes challenge for first, consistently make a bowl
> 
> IU/PU/Minny/Illinois - inconsistent bowl teams
> 
> I think it is amazing that we are kinda/sorta gaining membership in tier 2
> 
> Is it realistic to hope for membership in that top tier ?

It's possible but not all that likely.  If you look at the top 25 schools
from 40 years ago, most of them are still there.  Temporary blips at
schools like Michigan and Nebraska are just that--temporary.  And
while Kansas State worked itself up to that tier, the real challenge
is staying there.  Whether the return of Bill Snyder to Manhattan will 
bring back their glory years remains to be seen.  (Heck, Notre Dame
is still looking for a return to THEIR glory years, too, and there's
a school that has ALL the advantages.)

In other words, it's a pretty exclusive club.  

Interestingly enough, in many quarters what happened at Northwestern
starting in the mid 90's is still considered the benchmark for how to 
take a program out of the dumpster.  

I like Fitz's approach, doing it with style and class, not to mention
high graduation rates.
--
Mike Nolan

From thiegs at umn.edu  Fri Feb  6 14:26:35 2009
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Fri Feb  6 14:26:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
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I was just thinking and getting ready to post almost the exact same thing,
Chuck.  The stars really have to align for any team to win a national
championship--it's just that a few teams have a little more margin for error
than most others.  For example, how long had it been before 2002 that tOSU
won its most recent previous national championship?  How about Texas before
Vince Young came along?

As it was, we went into the Rose Bowl ranked #3; had we not lost to Miami I
bet we would have been #2 at the end of the regular season (assuming
Nebraska still would have been #1).  If Fitz and Valenzisi hadn't been
sidelined, we would have had a legitimate shot at beating anyone in a
national championship game.  Our recruiting classes these days seem to be
more highly-regarded than in the early '90s, so I don't see any reason the
'Cats can't be successful with the guys we're getting.  Heck, we went 9-3
this year!  Fortunately for us, I think, coaching plays such a huge role
beyond recruiting at the college level.  Just look at what Houston Nutt or
Mike Leach are able to do with middle-of-the-road recruiting classes,
compared with, say, what Charlie Weis has been able to do with top-tier
recruiting classes.

Consider that there are over 100 I-A/FBS teams, and all of them want and try
to go undefeated every year.  If everything were equal, each team would get
one national championship every century or so.  Of course, everything isn't
equal, so you get the old-guard powers you're your Alabamas, tOSUs,
Michigans, USCs, Notre Dames, Penn States, Texases, etc., plus relatively
new powers like the LSUs and Floridas of the world, and everyone else trying
to sneak up when the traditional powers slip (or are pushed).  I'd be
interested to see a statistic about the mean number of years between
national championships for every team in I-A and then determine a realistic
expectation about contending for a national championship.

Having had the perspective of becoming a Wildcat fan without any expectation
of ever winning regularly (that expectation having changed my senior year)
and understanding the Big Ten landscape as well as certain advantages and
disadvantages held by NU, here are my baseline expectations at which I'll be
contented, beyond which I'll be quite happy, and below which I'll be
dissatisfied:

1.  Go to a bowl game every year, or at minimum three out of four years.
2.  Seriously challenge for a Big Ten title (in the running in mid-November)
every three to four years.
3.  Win a Big Ten championship (and, by extension, compete for a national
title) at least once every decade.

That said, I'd rather have student-athletes of whom we can be proud but have
a losing record on the field than student athletes who win on the field but
are losers in life.

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of cherron604@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 1:47 PM
To: jonathanwhodges@gmail.com; e-west@northwestern.edu
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: signing day

Let us remember it was only 13 years ago that we missed a perfect regular
season by one game?due to a few problems on special teams.? That team may
not have had any 4- or 5-star recruits.? As long as we have a schedule that
allows 4 non-conference games (3 at home), and allows us to miss 2
conference teams a season, the possiblity, while faint, does remain

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


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To: Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu>
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 11:16 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: signing day



Northwestern football has it's priorities straight when it comes to goals.
Clearly listed in the football meeting/film room are the following
priorities: graduate, be national champions, be Big Ten champions, be bowl
champions.  Fitz has done nothing but say the right things in terms of
priorities and has the program aiming high - i.e. this season wanting not
only to make a bowl game but win (NU got closer to achieving that than it
has in 60 years), and his "one game at a time" attitude was really taken up
by this whole team and one could see the results in the record.

We may have our own thoughts on this list, but the fact is that the program
has its head in the right place and is always aiming high.  Even if they
know a national title is a pipe dream, they would never admit it publicly
and are always striving to succeed.

Jonathan

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu> wrote:

> Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
>
>> So let's get this straight:  All you doctors, lawyers, business people,
>> etc. who have done so well from your days at Northwestern are content to
be
>> middling?  I assume you are not content with the average or even the
merely
>> good.  Why expect it from your football team?
>>
>
>
> So let's get this straight: you think that Afghanistan should change its
> name to "Zafghanistan" so that some other country can get a turn at being
> alphabetically first? It's as accurate a summary of your statements as
yours
> is of ours.
>
> If you want to try again, you can start by explaining how seriously
> contending for the Big Ten championship every year equals "middling," then
> move on to what recruiting rankings have to do with anything substantial.
>
>
> Eric West
> e-west@northwestern.edu
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Feb  6 14:38:08 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Feb  6 14:38:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
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> 1.  Go to a bowl game every year, or at minimum three out of four years.
> 2.  Seriously challenge for a Big Ten title (in the running in 
> mid-November)
> every three to four years.
> 3.  Win a Big Ten championship (and, by extension, compete for a national
> title) at least once every decade.
>
> That said, I'd rather have student-athletes of whom we can be proud but 
> have
> a losing record on the field than student athletes who win on the field 
> but
> are losers in life.

I'll bet Fitz's standards, while realistic, aren't that low. 

From thiegs at umn.edu  Fri Feb  6 15:14:54 2009
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Fri Feb  6 15:15:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
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You're probably right, Dennis.  Actually, I hope so, and I think that's the
way it should be.  

Similarly, I would guess that both my professional aspirations and
expectations and my employer's are higher than the already-high expectations
of our organization from the general public.  And my expectations for myself
tend to be even higher than the rather high expectations my employer has for
me.  So, I would hope that Fitz and the 'Cats are striving for their own
"High Hopes" goals every year and working hard to achieve them.  If they
fall short of those aspirational goals I'm not going to get too bent out of
shape if they're doing the things they should be doing and give me (a) the
feeling that we can be competitive in every game and have a realistic hope
of winning each game in which we play, and (b) the experience of a magical
season (i.e., a Big Ten Championship) frequently enough that I don't
completely forget what it's like. 

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 2:38 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Re: signing day


> 1.  Go to a bowl game every year, or at minimum three out of four years.
> 2.  Seriously challenge for a Big Ten title (in the running in 
> mid-November)
> every three to four years.
> 3.  Win a Big Ten championship (and, by extension, compete for a national
> title) at least once every decade.
>
> That said, I'd rather have student-athletes of whom we can be proud but 
> have
> a losing record on the field than student athletes who win on the field 
> but
> are losers in life.

I'll bet Fitz's standards, while realistic, aren't that low. 

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From rgmorris at austin.rr.com  Fri Feb  6 20:25:06 2009
From: rgmorris at austin.rr.com (Rosemary G. Morris)
Date: Fri Feb  6 20:25:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 3 copies of each message
Message-ID: <002b01c988cb$4a85a160$df90e420$@rr.com>

Hello from Austin,

 

Today we received three copies of each message.  Is anyone else experiencing
this?  Thanks.

 

Rosemary Morris

Austin, Texas

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  6 22:30:27 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Feb  6 22:30:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten heirarchy (was: signing day)
In-Reply-To: <20090206.140451.28596.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <409151.29232.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> I mostly agree, but PSU should be moved down to tier 2. 
> They have not been that good, excluding this year, sugar
> bowl year, and 1994.

Don't forget, they were in the MNC hunt in 1997 and 1999 until late season losses to Michigan and Minnesota. I think they had a blip of a downturn in the early 2000s, but have roared back (2 titles in the past 4 years).

I think PSU is up there for now -- as for when JoePa leaves, that's another question. Though they certainly won't be down for long if they slip post-JoePA with their facilities, rep and pipeline of PA, Ohio and East Coast talent.

> any success from the subsequent 5 coaches.  Forcing out
> Tiller could be death of Purdue football.

I sure hope so -- they've stung NU too many times during the Tiller era.

> Even Wisconsin might just now be seeing the long-term
> effects of Alvarez moving upstairs.

Definitely - my friends in Madison are giving Bielama one more year unless he cuts down on the stupid mistakes.

Like Mike said, it's a pretty darn elite club. NU alum Stewart Mandel (who aside from his support of the BCS is a pretty darn good writer :) ) had an interesting article awhile back on college "royalty" and it was a pretty exclusive list. I think the only team he moved up into the top echelon in the past 10-20 years was LSU.

The big test, as Mike said, is maintaining the leap forward after the miracle worker coach leaves. KSU slipped back after Snyder. VaTech has stayed up there, but only because Beamer stayed. We'll see what happens afterwards. What we've done at NU since 1995 is remarkable as we've moved up light years from the pre-Barnett days AND managed to maintain most of it through three different coaches.

> OSU/PSU/Michigan (not this year, of course) - expected to
> contend for the title every year
> 
> MSU/Iowa/NU/Wisc - sometimes challenge for first,
> consistently make a bowl
> 
> IU/PU/Minny/Illinois - inconsistent bowl teams
> 
> I think it is amazing that we are kinda/sorta gaining
> membership in tier 2

Exactly. Think how long Iowa's been fighting to crack that top tier. And how Illinois has bounced up and down so often but never maintained it.

Fitz is the man to lead us as we keep climbing in the Big Ten status standings ... and he's doing it the right way. I'll keep trusting in Fitz.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Feb  6 23:16:26 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Feb  6 23:16:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day (fwd)
Message-ID: <200902070516.n175GQrr031507@romaine.tssi.com>

> I'll bet Fitz's standards, while realistic, aren't that low. 

I hope his standards are just a touch above 'realistic' while still on 
the cusp of 'attainable'.  

As Robert Browning wrote, "Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, 
or what's a heaven for?"

Or as my father-in-law always said, "When you stop being better, you 
stop being good."
--
Mike Nolan 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Feb  7 19:14:42 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Feb  7 19:14:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Awwww Nuts...
Message-ID: <000001c9898a$9f0e0c80$dd2a2580$@com>

Tonight's game was one I thought we could win easily....

But they were shooting bombs away, and we just couldn't answer

rsl

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Feb  7 19:28:00 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat Feb  7 19:28:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Awwww Nuts...
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Always tough to win on the road. 

Jeff

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Subject: [NU Sports] Awwww Nuts...

Tonight's game was one I thought we could win easily....

But they were shooting bombs away, and we just couldn't answer

rsl

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Feb  7 19:29:39 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Feb  7 19:29:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
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In a message dated 2/6/2009 11:42:27 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
cherron604@aol.com writes:

> This is pretty random - but I see three Big Ten tiers
> 
> OSU/PSU/Michigan (not this year, of course) - expected to contend for the 
> title every year
> 
> MSU/Iowa/NU/Wisc - sometimes challenge for first, consistently make a bowl
> 
> IU/PU/Minny/Illinois - inconsistent bowl teams
> 
> I think it is amazing that we are kinda/sorta gaining membership in tier 2
> 
> Is it realistic to hope for membership in that top tier ?
> 

I think being in the # 2 category would be a worthy goal, and not one that I 
would call mediocre. But we are'nt there yet--"Kinda /sorta" is the best we 
can say-- We dont go to a bowl game every year, nor do I think we will  (at 
least not as of yet) 

The last time we contended for the BT title was 8 years ago--I think we could 
contend at some point over the next several years--but it would be  a one 
shot deal with several pieces falling into place for us, and at the same time one 
shot problems hitting OSU ,Michigan and  Penn State- And we would also need 
to have none of the other teams in the conference have a very hot year out of 
nowhere -I also would guess we would need  an easy schedule (where we happen to 
avoid one or 2 of the big powers in the conference in a given year)     With 
all of these occurring we would contend and might even win the conf title, but 
right now my guess is that this  would only happen rarely as opposed to 
"sometimes"--But then again you need to set goals at least a  little higher than 
you think you can attain, and Fitz is the best guy for that job

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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Feb  7 19:31:16 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Feb  7 19:31:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Awwww Nuts...
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Iowa bombs notwithstanding, if we could rebound we would have won.

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> Tonight's game was one I thought we could win easily....
> 
> But they were shooting bombs away, and we just couldn't answer
> 
> rsl
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  8 13:52:02 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sun Feb  8 13:52:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Awwww Nuts...
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> But they were shooting bombs away, and we just couldn't
> answer

The real killer down the stretch was a bunch of missed easy put-back/layup attempts, and a couple of bad turnovers. 

NU did well to overcome a sloppy first half and that early Iowa barrage of 3s, but missing those gimmees at the end did them in. Unfortunate to let a highly winnable road game get away.

Tom

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Subject: [NU Sports] Re: signing day
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You know where I think we are getting beat out these days is with the  kids 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Feb 11 06:50:18 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Feb 11 06:50:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Latest from the Athletic Dept
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Kids Day! Sunday, February 15 vs. Michigan at 2 p.m. - 1/2 price 300-level
tickets for kids in the 8th grade and under (day of game only).  Plus, face
painting, sign making, balloon animals and a postgame autograph session with
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Feb 12 22:07:42 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 12 22:08:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] UGHH 
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We blow a 14 point lead with 8 minutes to play because we cant beat a press  
!!

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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Thu Feb 12 22:18:15 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Feb 12 22:18:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] UGHH
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Add to that that Carmody can't manage the clock and that the players were starting to take wild shots.

John DeGroat
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We blow a 14 point lead with 8 minutes to play because we cant beat a press  
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From johnl at mac.com  Thu Feb 12 22:35:01 2009
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Thu Feb 12 22:35:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Worst collapse ever
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We led the entire game until that final shot that capped a 17-2 run for the Illini.  Does it get worse than that?

Back to banging my head against the wall.

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Feb 13 07:50:26 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Feb 13 07:50:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] UGHH 
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The danger of playing Frosh is that they don't have the experience to beat
things like the full court press ILL put on us at the end.

4 guards and a big man managed to tie up Juice and Moore - a couple of
decent point guards - and forced Mirk to make some true frosh mistakes.

The last few opponents have tied up Coble's drives to the hoop, it's like
they're daring Moore to shoot 3's and clogging up the inside blocking the
back door cuts. Coble still scores, but at times he's shut out. At the end
we just couldn't get open looks to drain the baskets we needed to finish.

Luka called time out one time before the ILL guys fouled him (or so the
commentators said) another freshman mistake.

Not sure who steps up next year and takes over for Moore. Nash and Williams
are two candidates, but they've got to push their playing time to be more
productive on offense (IMHO). This year we've seen some great D from Nash
and that is a good thing.

But I'm afraid we have to win the BT tourney to go dancing now.

rsl 

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We blow a 14 point lead with 8 minutes to play because we cant beat a press

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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Fri Feb 13 08:01:44 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Fri Feb 13 08:01:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] UGHH 
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I'd like to say that I'm disappointed.
 But the crushing history of spectacular and can-you-top-this Northwestern basketball defeats leaves me feeling mostly resigned.
 I appreciate Coach Roy's analysis. But the fact is that other teams, lots of other teams, play freshman who can actually play basketball.
 This, make no mistake, was a very bad defeat. It was televised all over the country. I've heard by now from several non-Northwestern friends asking how we managed to lose.
 Which makes me wonder whether this game was the final nail in Carmody's Wildcat coaching coffin.
 

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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] UGHH 

The danger of playing Frosh is that they don't have the experience to beat things like the full court press ILL put on us at the end.

4 guards and a big man managed to tie up Juice and Moore - a couple of decent point guards - and forced Mirk to make some true frosh mistakes.

The last few opponents have tied up Coble's drives to the hoop, it's like they're daring Moore to shoot 3's and clogging up the inside blocking the back door cuts. Coble still scores, but at times he's shut out. At the end we just couldn't get open looks to drain the baskets we needed to finish.

Luka called time out one time before the ILL guys fouled him (or so the commentators said) another freshman mistake.

Not sure who steps up next year and takes over for Moore. Nash and Williams are two candidates, but they've got to push their playing time to be more productive on offense (IMHO). This year we've seen some great D from Nash and that is a good thing.

But I'm afraid we have to win the BT tourney to go dancing now.

rsl 

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We blow a 14 point lead with 8 minutes to play because we cant beat a press

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Feb 13 08:48:08 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 13 08:48:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] UGHH 
Message-ID: <cd3.4db0d233.36c6e228@aol.com>

We melted like the wicked witch of the West, time for Carmody to go  back East
 



In a message dated 2/13/2009 9:02:21 A.M. Eastern  Standard Time, 
Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com writes:  
 
I'd like  to say that I'm disappointed.
But the crushing history of spectacular and  can-you-top-this Northwestern 
basketball defeats leaves me feeling mostly  resigned.
I appreciate Coach Roy's analysis. But the fact is that other  teams, lots of 
other teams, play freshman who can actually play  basketball.
This, make no mistake, was a very bad defeat. It was televised  all over the 
country. I've heard by now from several non-Northwestern friends  asking how 
we managed to lose.
Which makes me wonder whether this game was  the final nail in Carmody's 
Wildcat coaching  coffin.



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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Fri Feb 13 09:09:31 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Fri Feb 13 09:09:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] UGHH
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08BDC558@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
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You know, just once I'd like to see a sentiment about the basketball 
team that's somewhere between "we could make the T-word" and "Carmody 
might/should be fired." (Not to pick on Alan; this was just the latest 
example.) Yes, the loss sucked, and losing at home doesn't bode well for 
the rest of the Big Ten schedule, but I doubt anyone is nearly so gloomy 
if that Illinois player misses the last shot. There is a middle ground 
between the two roller-coaster extremes, folks, and I believe that's 
where the truth currently resides.

Personally, I've been more excited about (and had more fun watching) 
this basketball season than any in about 15 years, and unlike the 1994 
season this team isn't packed with seniors. If this were supposed to be 
a peaking year (like that of our football team), I guess I would be more 
discouraged. As it is, the only way I'd consider getting rid of Carmody 
would be if we went on a major losing streak and missed the postseason 
altogether.

For the sake of our entire athletic program, I hope Jim Phillips isn't 
as mercurial as this list can sometimes get.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) wrote:
> I'd like to say that I'm disappointed.
>  But the crushing history of spectacular and can-you-top-this Northwestern basketball defeats leaves me feeling mostly resigned.
>  I appreciate Coach Roy's analysis. But the fact is that other teams, lots of other teams, play freshman who can actually play basketball.
>  This, make no mistake, was a very bad defeat. It was televised all over the country. I've heard by now from several non-Northwestern friends asking how we managed to lose.
>  Which makes me wonder whether this game was the final nail in Carmody's Wildcat coaching coffin.
>   

From AJWDBW at aol.com  Fri Feb 13 09:20:13 2009
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 13 09:20:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] UGHH
Message-ID: <c2d.52890495.36c6e9ad@aol.com>

Eric echoes my sentiments exactly. 
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In a message dated 2/13/2009 9:09:58 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
e-west@northwestern.edu writes:

You  know, just once I'd like to see a sentiment about the basketball 
team  that's somewhere between "we could make the T-word" and "Carmody  
might/should be fired." (Not to pick on Alan; this was just the latest  
example.) Yes, the loss sucked, and losing at home doesn't bode well for  
the rest of the Big Ten schedule, but I doubt anyone is nearly so gloomy  
if that Illinois player misses the last shot. There is a middle ground  
between the two roller-coaster extremes, folks, and I believe that's  
where the truth currently resides.

Personally, I've been more  excited about (and had more fun watching) 
this basketball season than any  in about 15 years, and unlike the 1994 
season this team isn't packed with  seniors. If this were supposed to be 
a peaking year (like that of our  football team), I guess I would be more 
discouraged. As it is, the only  way I'd consider getting rid of Carmody 
would be if we went on a major  losing streak and missed the postseason 
altogether.

For the sake of  our entire athletic program, I hope Jim Phillips isn't 
as mercurial as  this list can sometimes get.


Eric  West
e-west@northwestern.edu


Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)  wrote:
> I'd like to say that I'm disappointed.
>  But the  crushing history of spectacular and can-you-top-this Northwestern 
basketball  defeats leaves me feeling mostly resigned.
>  I appreciate Coach  Roy's analysis. But the fact is that other teams, lots 
of other teams, play  freshman who can actually play basketball.
>  This, make no  mistake, was a very bad defeat. It was televised all over 
the country. I've  heard by now from several non-Northwestern friends asking 
how we managed to  lose.
>  Which makes me wonder whether this game was the final nail  in Carmody's 
Wildcat coaching coffin.
>    

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 09:32:26 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Fri Feb 13 09:32:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] UGHH
Message-ID: <689612.39065.qm@web33102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>
> For the sake of our entire athletic program, I hope Jim
> Phillips isn't as mercurial as this list can sometimes
> get.

+1 to that, and the entire post.

Although the game should have been tight the whole way if the Illini had been making FTs, it was a joy to watch NU play for all but the last few minutes. They played with poise, confidence, energy, focus, and intense effort. Got more than a few breaks, and nailed some big, tough shots.

That's what made the collapse so tough to take. A lot of mental mistakes, but as much as anything, we were probably hurt by the lack of a couple of great athletes capable of breaking down the press with one-on-one moves to the hoop.

It's too bad the place wasn't 100% NU fans, instead of 50-50. That could have made all the difference down the stretch.

Trust me, for many reasons I was as bitterly disappointed by the outcome as anyone. That was tough to take. But damn if it wasn't fun to watch NU play basketball for most of that game.

Tom

From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Feb 13 10:13:01 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Feb 13 10:13:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-Ball status
References: <bd6.48e2b409.36c64c0e@aol.com>	<004901c98de2$06f059b0$14d10d10$@com><33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08BDC558@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
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<Personally, I've been more excited about (and had more fun watching)
this basketball season than any in about 15 years

This may be the best team we've had in the last fifteen years, and that is a 
sad commentary on NU basketball.  Until we get a good inside presence that 
can prevent other teams from getting two and three shots and get some 
put-backs ourselves, we will never be a winning basketball program.  In the 
first eleven Big Ten games we have only 69 offensive boards to 136 for our 
opponents, and I dare say most of ours were long rebounds.  Defensively it's 
206 - 280.  If we got half the rebounds and changed nothing else, we would 
be in the race for the Big 10 championship. 

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Feb 13 10:28:46 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Feb 13 10:29:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] UGHH
In-Reply-To: <49958D2B.3000704@northwestern.edu>
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Yup.

Difficult loss.

Team played well against a ranked opponent again.

You knew that Illinois would make a run at the end, but until they put
the press on, we were handling it really well.

We were really just one made basket or one less turn-over away from
Illinois starting to foul.  Given how we were shooting free throws, it's
likely we would have won the game at the free throw line.  In fact, as
other posters have pointed out, Illinois was just about to start the
parade to the free throw line when we called a time out.  

Bottom line, we needed someone to step up in the last three minutes and
make a play.  We didn't get that from our players and Illinois did.
That, more than anything else, is the difference between where we are
and where we would like to be.  Coble and Moore can't be the only guys.
Last night was Shurna's opportunity but he just couldn't get the shots
to fall.

As far as I'm concerned where we are is much better than where we've
been.  We have the coaching, the scheme, and players who can execute the
scheme to overcome our athletic deficits and be competitive with anybody
in our league. 

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Eric West
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 10:10 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] UGHH

You know, just once I'd like to see a sentiment about the basketball
team that's somewhere between "we could make the T-word" and "Carmody
might/should be fired." (Not to pick on Alan; this was just the latest
example.) Yes, the loss sucked, and losing at home doesn't bode well for
the rest of the Big Ten schedule, but I doubt anyone is nearly so gloomy
if that Illinois player misses the last shot. There is a middle ground
between the two roller-coaster extremes, folks, and I believe that's
where the truth currently resides.

Personally, I've been more excited about (and had more fun watching)
this basketball season than any in about 15 years, and unlike the 1994
season this team isn't packed with seniors. If this were supposed to be
a peaking year (like that of our football team), I guess I would be more
discouraged. As it is, the only way I'd consider getting rid of Carmody
would be if we went on a major losing streak and missed the postseason
altogether.

For the sake of our entire athletic program, I hope Jim Phillips isn't
as mercurial as this list can sometimes get.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) wrote:
> I'd like to say that I'm disappointed.
>  But the crushing history of spectacular and can-you-top-this
Northwestern basketball defeats leaves me feeling mostly resigned.
>  I appreciate Coach Roy's analysis. But the fact is that other teams,
lots of other teams, play freshman who can actually play basketball.
>  This, make no mistake, was a very bad defeat. It was televised all
over the country. I've heard by now from several non-Northwestern
friends asking how we managed to lose.
>  Which makes me wonder whether this game was the final nail in
Carmody's Wildcat coaching coffin.
>   

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Feb 13 10:35:47 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Feb 13 10:35:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-Ball status
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I thought we rebounded pretty well last night so I looked at the box
score.

We matched Illinois on defense rebounds 25-25.  They got more offensive
rebounds than us (10-6), but as you said there were quite a few of those
that were long rebounds from three point shots.  Our offensive scheme
doesn't lend itself to crashing the boards. So I agree that the
defensive number is much better indication of where we are, and we
played them even up in that stat.

Jeff


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On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:13 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] B-Ball status

<Personally, I've been more excited about (and had more fun watching)
this basketball season than any in about 15 years

This may be the best team we've had in the last fifteen years, and that
is a sad commentary on NU basketball.  Until we get a good inside
presence that can prevent other teams from getting two and three shots
and get some put-backs ourselves, we will never be a winning basketball
program.  In the first eleven Big Ten games we have only 69 offensive
boards to 136 for our opponents, and I dare say most of ours were long
rebounds.  Defensively it's
206 - 280.  If we got half the rebounds and changed nothing else, we
would be in the race for the Big 10 championship. 

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Feb 13 10:42:06 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 13 10:43:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-Ball status
Message-ID: <d5c.329a380d.36c6fcde@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/13/2009 8:36:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com writes:

> I thought we rebounded pretty well last night so I looked at the box
> score.
> 
> We matched Illinois on defense rebounds 25-25.  They got more offensive
> rebounds than us (10-6), but as you said there were quite a few of those
> that were long rebounds from three point shots.  Our offensive scheme
> doesn't lend itself to crashing the boards. So I agree that the
> defensive number is much better indication of where we are, and we
> played them even up in that stat.
> 
> Jeff
> 

I only watched the 2nd half--but we sure didnt look like we made many inside 
shots

Harry


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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Fri Feb 13 10:57:40 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Fri Feb 13 10:57:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-Ball status
In-Reply-To: <D783F65637CF4B398B3953A578EF4B9C@DennisMachine>
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Those statistics underscore the problem.
 Yes, this team is better than teams in past years.
 Bottom line: so what? Still no NCAA invite this year, absent a miracle
at the Big Ten tournament. If you'd had eight years to effect change,
but didn't, how would your boss view you? 
 Not feelng picked on, by the way, and I think we can have a vigorous,
civil debate about the team and Carmody with the idea that we all want
the same thing: winners on the court, graduates in the classroom, young
men who represent themselves, their families and the university with
distinction all-around.  
  

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:13 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] B-Ball status

<Personally, I've been more excited about (and had more fun watching)
this basketball season than any in about 15 years

This may be the best team we've had in the last fifteen years, and that
is a sad commentary on NU basketball.  Until we get a good inside
presence that can prevent other teams from getting two and three shots
and get some put-backs ourselves, we will never be a winning basketball
program.  In the first eleven Big Ten games we have only 69 offensive
boards to 136 for our opponents, and I dare say most of ours were long
rebounds.  Defensively it's
206 - 280.  If we got half the rebounds and changed nothing else, we
would be in the race for the Big 10 championship. 

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Feb 13 11:02:38 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 13 11:04:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] UGHH
In-Reply-To: <49958D2B.3000704@northwestern.edu>
References: <bd6.48e2b409.36c64c0e@aol.com>	<004901c98de2$06f059b0$14d10d10$@com><33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08BDC558@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	<49958D2B.3000704@northwestern.edu>
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Bill Carmody is a no-talent who has been protected by his buddy, Henry Bienen

He deserved to get canned YEARS ago

No other conference program would tolerate this many years of 'non-progress'

Someone like him would not be tolerated in the Football program

His 'Big Ten Adventure' has failed miserably, on so many levels

Send him back East, where his lousy style of play might be able to catch on somewhere - it will never catch on in a legitimate basketball conference 

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 9:09 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] UGHH


You know, just once I'd like to see a sentiment about the basketball team that's somewhere between "we could make the T-word" and "Carmody might/should be fired." (Not to pick on Alan; this was just the latest example.) Yes, the loss sucked, and losing at home doesn't bode well for the rest of the Big Ten schedule, but I doubt anyone is nearly so gloomy if that Illinois player misses the last shot. There is a middle ground between the two roller-coaster extremes, folks, and I believe that's where the truth currently resides.?
?
Personally, I've been more excited about (and had more fun watching) this basketball season than any in about 15 years, and unlike the 1994 season this team isn't packed with seniors. If this were supposed to be a peaking year (like that of our football team), I guess I would be more discouraged. As it is, the only way I'd consider getting rid of Carmody would be if we went on a major losing streak and missed the postseason altogether.?
?
For the sake of our entire athletic program, I hope Jim Phillips isn't as mercurial as this list can sometimes get.?
?
Eric West?
e-west@northwestern.edu?
?
Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) wrote:?
> I'd like to say that I'm disappointed.?
> But the crushing history of spectacular and can-you-top-this Northwestern basketball defeats leaves me feeling mostly resigned.?
> I appreciate Coach Roy's analysis. But the fact is that other teams, lots of other teams, play freshman who can actually play basketball.?
> This, make no mistake, was a very bad defeat. It was televised all over the country. I've heard by now from several non-Northwestern friends asking how we managed to lose.?
> Which makes me wonder whether this game was the final nail in Carmody's Wildcat coaching coffin.?
> ?
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Fri Feb 13 12:09:46 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Fri Feb 13 12:09:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-Ball status
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08BDC5D3@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <bd6.48e2b409.36c64c0e@aol.com>	<004901c98de2$06f059b0$14d10d10$@com><33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08BDC558@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com><49958D2B.3000704@northwestern.edu>	<D783F65637CF4B398B3953A578EF4B9C@DennisMachine>
	<33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08BDC5D3@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <4995B76A.6040500@northwestern.edu>

Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) wrote:
> Those statistics underscore the problem.
>  Yes, this team is better than teams in past years.
>  Bottom line: so what? Still no NCAA invite this year, absent a miracle
> at the Big Ten tournament. If you'd had eight years to effect change,
> but didn't, how would your boss view you?
>   

Only eight years? :) Remember, John Wooden went sixteen years at UCLA 
before he got it right. Tom Osborne took ten years just to get his first 
Orange Bowl victory, when Nebraska had won three straight Orange Bowls 
just before he became head coach. One can claim that times have changed 
with regard to coaching expectations, but that doesn't mean it's for the 
better.

Regarding the basketball team, I guess the "change" for me is that, 
unlike with past "better" teams, there's an indication that we might be 
even better than that next year. This is the first relatively good 
basketball team that wasn't just a collection of experienced 
upperclassmen, which indicates a positive momentum that I haven't seen 
at NU before, under any coach.

Of course, this is all said knowing that this year isn't over yet (and 
therefore the jury is still out); plus, we still have to avoid another 
mass exodus in the offseason that has derailed other promising teams. 
I'm willing to revise my opinion as events warrant, but I won't fly up 
or plummet down based on every win or loss. I certainly don't see the 
point of vague and/or unfounded assertions like we just got from Mr. 
Herron; Steve Pederson tried that attitude at Nebraska, with disastrous 
results that I don't want repeated here.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From ddave at nusports.com  Fri Feb 13 12:16:56 2009
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Fri Feb 13 12:17:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-Ball status
Message-ID: <20090213101656.6E7A7634@resin18.mta.everyone.net>

Agree, Alan,  on your objectives 100%: winners on the court, graduates in the classroom, young men who represent themselves, their families and the university with distinction all-around.  Many teams/athletes don't achieve more than the first.

As to this year, the 'Cats have played some great games, and great portions of games, being competitive in most - other than the blowout at Wisconsin.  While many on this list have suggested they are T-material, I never set the bar that high this season,with all the youth. Other than a nice career cap for Moore, and finally getting off the scheid with regards to the T, I would rather see the 'Cats do NIT - play 1-2 of those games at home, get a couple (or more - look at what last years OSU team did in NIT) wins, gain some post-season experience, etc. rather than go to T as 11-12 or lower seed and potentially getting thumped at neutral site in first round.  Like  many have  noted, this is not necessarily a peak season and with someone (or two) filling Moore's shoes, they should get past these 1-2 point losses and 10-15 point collapses next year, and go into the Big 10 T and the other T with a better, stronger outlook.

I'm probably too for the rest of you....its probably a result of being a long-time fan of some other teams that rarely make the big stage (Browns and Cubs....<sigh>...)



dave bradley
(717) 687-5355-home
(717) 333-7611-cell
ddave@NUsports.com



--- Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com wrote:

From: "Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)" <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>
To: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>, <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Cc:
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] B-Ball status
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 11:57:40 -0500

Those statistics underscore the problem.
 Yes, this team is better than teams in past years.
 Bottom line: so what? Still no NCAA invite this year, absent a miracle
at the Big Ten tournament. If you'd had eight years to effect change,
but didn't, how would your boss view you? 
 Not feelng picked on, by the way, and I think we can have a vigorous,
civil debate about the team and Carmody with the idea that we all want
the same thing: winners on the court, graduates in the classroom, young
men who represent themselves, their families and the university with
distinction all-around.  
  

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:13 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] B-Ball status

<Personally, I've been more excited about (and had more fun watching)
this basketball season than any in about 15 years

This may be the best team we've had in the last fifteen years, and that
is a sad commentary on NU basketball.  Until we get a good inside
presence that can prevent other teams from getting two and three shots
and get some put-backs ourselves, we will never be a winning basketball
program.  In the first eleven Big Ten games we have only 69 offensive
boards to 136 for our opponents, and I dare say most of ours were long
rebounds.  Defensively it's
206 - 280.  If we got half the rebounds and changed nothing else, we
would be in the race for the Big 10 championship. 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 13:04:34 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Feb 13 13:04:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody and the Cats (was: UGHH)
In-Reply-To: <49958D2B.3000704@northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <253901.65904.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> You know, just once I'd like to see a sentiment about
> the basketball team that's somewhere between "we
> could make the T-word" and "Carmody might/should
> be fired." 

Well said - I think we got a little excited and ahead of ourselves earlier with the MSU win. I usually try and stay out of the BB discussions because I'm not as big a follower of the team, but I think the same philosophy applies as for football - we have to build our program gradually as the quick leaps are usually followed by a quick fall (or sanctions :) ).

I guess I'm not as hung up on the 8 years Carmody's been here because it's a monumental task to build up basketball at NU. The questions I would have are: (1) Are we moving in the right direction and (2) Are we getting close.

I think this season has been a yes on both counts - and as Eric mentions, unlike the 1994 team, it's not something happening with seniors in their final few games finally coming together. I've been tuning in to a lot more games than in past years and not just because the Big Ten Network is freakin' AWESOME for alumni living outside of Big Ten Country.

Last night was sickening. So was Purdue. We still have to get over that last-minute panic to close out wins. But it is worth keeping in mind that Purdue and Illinois are top 20 teams and we lost at the last second (the loss at Iowa should upset us more, if you think about it).

I know it's been a long dry spell and I know it's frustrating to get so close and then have it fall apart in seconds ... but if we've endured this far but we can see that the promised land is in sight now where it wasn't before, do we really want to go back to square 1 and start the game over?

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 13 13:14:02 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Feb 13 13:14:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-Ball status
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08BDC5D3@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <245418.28338.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> at the Big Ten tournament. If you'd had eight years to
> effect change,
> but didn't, how would your boss view you? 

Hmm, are we on Wall Street? :) Just kidding - BONUS PLEASE!

Other than being a proud Medilldo and immediately cheering a proper use of effect, I guess it depends how "change" is defined.

Has NU basketball changed this year? For the better? I think both are yes.
Has it changed enough to reach March Madness? Not yet, but I think that goal is closer now than it has been for a long, long time.

> civil debate about the team and Carmody with the idea that
> we all want
> the same thing: winners on the court, graduates in the
> classroom, young
> men who represent themselves, their families and the
> university with
> distinction all-around.  

Exactly.

I will throw in one reference to my most hated three letters of last year, though, and wonder why this year's basketball team won't be considered "winners" -- in college football, they'd be bowl eligible already and the grand tradition of preserving these Weedwacker Bowl games to make teams feel good about a 6-6 season was one argument against a playoff, if I recall.

Sorry, just had to toss that in.:)

Lunch break over - back to work. GO CATS!!!
-SjT



>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 8:13 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] B-Ball status
> 
> <Personally, I've been more excited about (and had
> more fun watching)
> this basketball season than any in about 15 years
> 
> This may be the best team we've had in the last fifteen
> years, and that
> is a sad commentary on NU basketball.  Until we get a good
> inside
> presence that can prevent other teams from getting two and
> three shots
> and get some put-backs ourselves, we will never be a
> winning basketball
> program.  In the first eleven Big Ten games we have only 69
> offensive
> boards to 136 for our opponents, and I dare say most of
> ours were long
> rebounds.  Defensively it's
> 206 - 280.  If we got half the rebounds and changed nothing
> else, we
> would be in the race for the Big 10 championship. 
> 
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Feb 13 14:13:06 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 13 14:15:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody and the Cats (was: UGHH)
In-Reply-To: <253901.65904.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CB5C2E9DFDAB8B-12BC-86D@WEBMAIL-DY27.sysops.aol.com>

Do we know of another coach at a major conference school that has gone 8 years without a) NIT success and b) some NCAA tournament experience.

We are paying BC a lot of money, and while we are not like other schools, I am not convinced that our peer institutions (Stanford, Vanderbilt, Duke) would tolerate this slow march toward basketball progress.

Significantly, Camody has shown an inability to sustain progress in the past, and the defections from his program are legion.? On what basis do we assume that defections will be held to a minimum, and that this year's underclassmen will make significant progress next year ?? I know that these things 'should' happen, but what is our level of confidence that they will happen ?? And is that confidence based on Bill Carmody's history ?

If I see underclassmen on the football team who need work on some fundamentals, if I see guys who need to bulk up physically, if I see development projects, my level of confidence is high that the football staff will take the actions necessary to address the shortcomings.? If I see a bright young talent who shows signs of being a 'special player' down the road, my confidence that the football staff can retain that player is high.? Lacking evidence to the contrary, I would have to say my confidence in the basketball staff 's abilities is significantly lower.

I'd challenge BC to prove me wrong, but the challenge is starting to get old.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85




-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 1:04 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody and the Cats (was: UGHH)



> You know, just once I'd like to see a sentiment about
> the basketball team that's somewhere between "we
> could make the T-word" and "Carmody might/should
> be fired." 

Well said - I think we got a little excited and ahead of ourselves earlier with 
the MSU win. I usually try and stay out of the BB discussions because I'm not as 
big a follower of the team, but I think the same philosophy applies as for 
football - we have to build our program gradually as the quick leaps are usually 
followed by a quick fall (or sanctions :) ).

I guess I'm not as hung up on the 8 years Carmody's been here because it's a 
monumental task to build up basketball at NU. The questions I would have are: 
(1) Are we moving in the right direction and (2) Are we getting close.

I think this season has been a yes on both counts - and as Eric mentions, unlike 
the 1994 team, it's not something happening with seniors in their final few 
games finally coming together. I've been tuning in to a lot more games than in 
past years and not just because the Big Ten Network is freakin' AWESOME for 
alumni living outside of Big Ten Country.

Last night was sickening. So was Purdue. We still have to get over that 
last-minute panic to close out wins. But it is worth keeping in mind that Purdue 
and Illinois are top 20 teams and we lost at the last second (the loss at Iowa 
should upset us more, if you think about it).

I know it's been a long dry spell and I know it's frustrating to get so close 
and then have it fall apart in seconds ... but if we've endured this far but we 
can see that the promised land is in sight now where it wasn't before, do we 
really want to go back to square 1 and start the game over?

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Feb 13 14:54:20 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Feb 13 14:54:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The John Wooden myth
References: <8CB5C2E9DFDAB8B-12BC-86D@WEBMAIL-DY27.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <65D96D029A854A7DB4426B786872FB86@DennisMachine>

Let's put to rest this it-took-John-Wooden-forever myth as an excuse for 
Carmody's failure.  The Wizard of Westwood's lifetime record at UCLA was 
620 - 147, an overall winning percentage of .808, and it was .823 in 
conference.  He won 22 and 24 games his first two years at UCLA (1948-1950). 
Prior to his 1964 championship win over Michigan (my freshman year - we blew 
a game to Michigan at home that season, too, when Cazzie Russell took over 
late), he won 20 or more games in six seasons, 19 twice, and 18 three times. 
He never had a losing season at UCLA.  His worst year was 1959-60 when he 
was 14-12.  By the playoff rules of today, he would have been in the NCAAs 
the vast majority of times prior to 1964.  He was even 47 - 14 in the two 
years at Indiana State before he went to UCLA.

We're not asking Carmody to win the NCAA championship at this point, just 
get us the hell into it!  He hasn't even gotten his team into the NIT with 
the also-rans, which makes us never-beens. 

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Feb 13 14:58:48 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 13 15:00:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody and the Cats (was: UGHH)
Message-ID: <ca6.3e8d1277.36c73908@aol.com>

 While I am somewhat in Chuck's camp, I repeat my question that I have raised 
several times here:--Why has no coach for NU been able to do the trick ?--Not 
even get us to the T, but .500  in conference ?? 


We tried a big name  successful coach from Duke, (Foster)  He had lost in the 
finals to KY in 1978, an African American Coach- (Byrdsong),which we thought 
migt help amongst other of his talents, recruiting Black players who  might 
have had  a perception of NU being a North Shore Country Club school unfriendly 
to Blacks, guys from other top academic programs, (Carmody) young energetic 
guys  (Falk), successful in other standard collegiate programs (Winter)

None of these guys had any success--So while I agree we have to get rid of 
unsuccessful coaches, are we just going around in circles ?--Paul has suggested 
thinking out of the box like a Kareem Jabbbar--perhaps, but I wonder if there 
are other answers--A locally successful high school coach from the Catholic 
league ?--(not as an asst, but head coach)-I am just rambling, because I dont 
have any good answers !


Harry


**************
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Fri Feb 13 15:52:13 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Fri Feb 13 15:52:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody and the Cats (was: UGHH)
In-Reply-To: <8CB5C2E9DFDAB8B-12BC-86D@WEBMAIL-DY27.sysops.aol.com>
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cherron604@aol.com wrote:
> Do we know of another coach at a major conference school that has gone 8 years without a) NIT success and b) some NCAA tournament experience.
>   

You're asking an incomplete question. If any other coach met that 
criteria yet was still the most successful coach at his school in over 
40 years, you would have a point. As it is, such a statistic is 
irrelevant. (And it's not exactly Carmody's fault that the NIT didn't 
select Northwestern in 2002.)

> We are paying BC a lot of money, and while we are not like other schools, I am not convinced that our peer institutions (Stanford, Vanderbilt, Duke) would tolerate this slow march toward basketball progress.
>   

In regard to college basketball, these are not our "peer institutions"; 
all had had success long before their current coaches came along. If 
they have a lower "tolerance," their history justifies it. Ours does 
not. It's a depressing history, but we ignore it at our peril. To say 
that Bill Carmody's progress is slow is to sidestep the fact that it's 
faster than anything else that NU men's basketball has seen in my lifetime.

> Significantly, Camody has shown an inability to sustain progress in the past, and the defections from his program are legion.? On what basis do we assume that defections will be held to a minimum, and that this year's underclassmen will make significant progress next year ?? I know that these things 'should' happen, but what is our level of confidence that they will happen ?? And is that confidence based on Bill Carmody's history
>   

Confidence is a personal choice. I'm not assuming anything about the 
future; I'm simply noting that our most successful coach in decades is 
having a particularly successful season (so far), and I see no sense in 
trying to fire the guy just because we aren't doing even better (with 
the unspoken misguided notion that we can't possibly be doing any worse).


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From e-west at northwestern.edu  Fri Feb 13 16:02:16 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Fri Feb 13 16:02:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The John Wooden myth
In-Reply-To: <65D96D029A854A7DB4426B786872FB86@DennisMachine>
References: <8CB5C2E9DFDAB8B-12BC-86D@WEBMAIL-DY27.sysops.aol.com>
	<65D96D029A854A7DB4426B786872FB86@DennisMachine>
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It's hardly a "myth." By 1961 John Wooden had won exactly one NCAA 
tournament game (and that was a consolation game), he hadn't won his 
conference in five years, and the 20-win seasons were long gone. Though 
he was still the most successful coach at his school in decades (like, 
you know...Carmody), there's no doubt quite a few folks on this list 
would have been moaning that he'd lost his touch, he was regressing, he 
couldn't sustain his early success, the program was clearly heading in 
the wrong direction, it's time for new blood, etc., etc.

Beyond that, if our most successful coach since the 1960s -- by FAR -- 
can be called a "failure," then we are simply talking past each other. 
It's great to expect something that has never ever happened, but there's 
zero evidence to suggest that we will get there faster by firing 
Carmody, *especially* at this particular point in this particular season.

I'm starting to repeat myself, so I won't weigh in on Carmody again 
until after the season is over. It will be telling how the team responds 
to this jarring loss; the parallel might be the football team's loss to 
Indiana this year. Will the basketball team fizzle out, or will they 
buckle down, adjust, and get even better? The rest of the season will be 
interesting.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
> Let's put to rest this it-took-John-Wooden-forever myth as an excuse 
> for Carmody's failure.  The Wizard of Westwood's lifetime record at 
> UCLA was 620 - 147, an overall winning percentage of .808, and it was 
> .823 in conference.  He won 22 and 24 games his first two years at 
> UCLA (1948-1950). Prior to his 1964 championship win over Michigan (my 
> freshman year - we blew a game to Michigan at home that season, too, 
> when Cazzie Russell took over late), he won 20 or more games in six 
> seasons, 19 twice, and 18 three times. He never had a losing season at 
> UCLA.  His worst year was 1959-60 when he was 14-12.  By the playoff 
> rules of today, he would have been in the NCAAs the vast majority of 
> times prior to 1964.  He was even 47 - 14 in the two years at Indiana 
> State before he went to UCLA.
>
> We're not asking Carmody to win the NCAA championship at this point, 
> just get us the hell into it!  He hasn't even gotten his team into the 
> NIT with the also-rans, which makes us never-beens.


From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Feb 13 17:39:50 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Feb 13 17:40:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The John Wooden myth
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The myth is that everyone says Wooden needed so many years before he was 
successful and that we should give Carmody the same consideration.  That is 
false.  Wooden's record shows he was VERY successful right from the start at 
UCLA.  With the current rules governing post-season tournament, UCLA would 
surely have gotten into more tournaments and likely won more post-season 
games.  If Carmody had experienced two 20-game seasons during any of his 
eight seasons, we wouldn't be having this discussion.  Instead, we might be 
complaining that he doesn't win more tournament games.  Now that would be 
refreshing.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric West" <e-west@northwestern.edu>
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The John Wooden myth


> It's hardly a "myth." By 1961 John Wooden had won exactly one NCAA 
> tournament game (and that was a consolation game), he hadn't won his 
> conference in five years, and the 20-win seasons were long gone. Though he 
> was still the most successful coach at his school in decades (like, you 
> know...Carmody), there's no doubt quite a few folks on this list would 
> have been moaning that he'd lost his touch, he was regressing, he couldn't 
> sustain his early success, the program was clearly heading in the wrong 
> direction, it's time for new blood, etc., etc.
>
> Beyond that, if our most successful coach since the 1960s -- by FAR -- 
> can be called a "failure," then we are simply talking past each other. 
> It's great to expect something that has never ever happened, but there's 
> zero evidence to suggest that we will get there faster by firing Carmody, 
> *especially* at this particular point in this particular season.
>
> I'm starting to repeat myself, so I won't weigh in on Carmody again until 
> after the season is over. It will be telling how the team responds to this 
> jarring loss; the parallel might be the football team's loss to Indiana 
> this year. Will the basketball team fizzle out, or will they buckle down, 
> adjust, and get even better? The rest of the season will be interesting.
>
>
> Eric West
> e-west@northwestern.edu
>
>
> Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
>> Let's put to rest this it-took-John-Wooden-forever myth as an excuse for 
>> Carmody's failure.  The Wizard of Westwood's lifetime record at UCLA was 
>> 620 - 147, an overall winning percentage of .808, and it was .823 in 
>> conference.  He won 22 and 24 games his first two years at UCLA 
>> (1948-1950). Prior to his 1964 championship win over Michigan (my 
>> freshman year - we blew a game to Michigan at home that season, too, when 
>> Cazzie Russell took over late), he won 20 or more games in six seasons, 
>> 19 twice, and 18 three times. He never had a losing season at UCLA.  His 
>> worst year was 1959-60 when he was 14-12.  By the playoff rules of today, 
>> he would have been in the NCAAs the vast majority of times prior to 1964. 
>> He was even 47 - 14 in the two years at Indiana State before he went to 
>> UCLA.
>>
>> We're not asking Carmody to win the NCAA championship at this point, just 
>> get us the hell into it!  He hasn't even gotten his team into the NIT 
>> with the also-rans, which makes us never-beens.
>
>
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Feb 14 07:11:20 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Feb 14 07:11:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The John Wooden myth
Message-ID: <bff.5492c089.36c81cf8@aol.com>

Comparing BC to Wooden is like comparing me to Tiger Woods, we both live in  
Orlando, we both play golf, we both sleep with Baltic Blonds, I guess we are  
comparable.
 
Peace  

In a message dated 2/13/2009 6:40:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tbng@comcast.net writes:
 
The myth  is that everyone says Wooden needed so many years before he was 
successful  and that we should give Carmody the same consideration.  That is  
false.


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Feb 14 14:09:39 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Feb 14 14:09:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The John Wooden myth
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But are you a scratch or better golfer?

If so, you need to go to grad school at NU and help the Golf Team

Luke should be able to advise....

<g>

rsl

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Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 8:11 AM
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Comparing BC to Wooden is like comparing me to Tiger Woods, we both live in

Orlando, we both play golf, we both sleep with Baltic Blonds, I guess we are

comparable.
 
Peace  

In a message dated 2/13/2009 6:40:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
tbng@comcast.net writes:
 
The myth  is that everyone says Wooden needed so many years before he was 
successful  and that we should give Carmody the same consideration.  That is

false.


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Feb 14 14:23:04 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Feb 14 14:22:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The John Wooden myth
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The sad thing about the "dump Carmody" idea is that it just might get more
credence from the new administration at the north end of Ryan, but might not
be a good idea.

Whoever comes in will wind up losing half of the players to Div II schools
much the way KON's crowd all bailed out for, and excelled at, lower ranked
schools. (I would make the case that most deserved to be in Div I but that
fight is unwinnable so....).

A new coach will have to make the decision to play a variation of Princeton,
to use the talent assembled, or shift to another style of play, however,
many successful teams are now running variations of the Princeton, and
credit that offense for giving them the tempo that allows victory most of
the time.

NU is running a quicker version of the Princeton now that we have more
shooters.

That said, IMHO, our weakness is in rebounding in the middle, breaking a
full court press, and defending against a team with more than one long range
shooter. (yeah, we also have trouble inside at times, but when the 1-3-1 is
clicking, the inside is pretty well covered.)

Luka, to his credit seems to be picking up more offensive rebounds lately. I
think Rowley, once he stops thinking about what he's doing underneath will
also. On the defensive end, Moore and Coble, and Luka all seem to get their
share of defensive boards. 

A new coach would play with the same guys for a couple of years, and would
probably have a lot of success because the kids are there right now, but
that coach would probably lose Mitch, and Tavaras and lose a lot of the
recruiting contacts in Chicago that are bringing the better middle talent
kids to Evanston.

Personally, I would rather base BC's future on next year's team, than go
through the complete shuffle that we'd see if there was a change this
Spring. Besides, we'd probably get another "coach on the way up" who would
win with BC's recruits for 2 years, then move on to a bigger job elsewhere.

I know it?s a Cubbie Joke [like an Aggie Joke in Texas] but "wait 'til next
year" makes sense to me.

Go Cats - win out and dance

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
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  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Eric West
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:02 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The John Wooden myth

It's hardly a "myth." By 1961 John Wooden had won exactly one NCAA 
tournament game (and that was a consolation game), he hadn't won his 
conference in five years, and the 20-win seasons were long gone. Though 
he was still the most successful coach at his school in decades (like, 
you know...Carmody), there's no doubt quite a few folks on this list 
would have been moaning that he'd lost his touch, he was regressing, he 
couldn't sustain his early success, the program was clearly heading in 
the wrong direction, it's time for new blood, etc., etc.

Beyond that, if our most successful coach since the 1960s -- by FAR -- 
can be called a "failure," then we are simply talking past each other. 
It's great to expect something that has never ever happened, but there's 
zero evidence to suggest that we will get there faster by firing 
Carmody, *especially* at this particular point in this particular season.

I'm starting to repeat myself, so I won't weigh in on Carmody again 
until after the season is over. It will be telling how the team responds 
to this jarring loss; the parallel might be the football team's loss to 
Indiana this year. Will the basketball team fizzle out, or will they 
buckle down, adjust, and get even better? The rest of the season will be 
interesting.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
> Let's put to rest this it-took-John-Wooden-forever myth as an excuse 
> for Carmody's failure.  The Wizard of Westwood's lifetime record at 
> UCLA was 620 - 147, an overall winning percentage of .808, and it was 
> .823 in conference.  He won 22 and 24 games his first two years at 
> UCLA (1948-1950). Prior to his 1964 championship win over Michigan (my 
> freshman year - we blew a game to Michigan at home that season, too, 
> when Cazzie Russell took over late), he won 20 or more games in six 
> seasons, 19 twice, and 18 three times. He never had a losing season at 
> UCLA.  His worst year was 1959-60 when he was 14-12.  By the playoff 
> rules of today, he would have been in the NCAAs the vast majority of 
> times prior to 1964.  He was even 47 - 14 in the two years at Indiana 
> State before he went to UCLA.
>
> We're not asking Carmody to win the NCAA championship at this point, 
> just get us the hell into it!  He hasn't even gotten his team into the 
> NIT with the also-rans, which makes us never-beens.


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From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Feb 14 23:13:58 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Feb 14 23:14:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-Ball status
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We were outrebounding the Illini overall (not sure about the 
offensive/defensive breakdown) until the final five minutes when we 
started taking long range shots with no one in position underneath.  
That was another aspect of the total collapse that occurred.  I hate to 
use a well-worn cliche, but NU was playing to not lose.  They were 
trying to run out the clock (and not doing a very good job of that) 
before Illinois could catch up and they fell just short.  They must have 
been listening to Stephen Bardo's commentary when he kept saying that no 
one wanted to be down to NU by 10 points with five minutes left.

As much as it pains me, I have to give the Illini players a lot of 
credit.  Whether Weber asked them to do it or they did it on their own, 
they got fired up and came at us hard in those final minutes on both 
ends of the court.  We then did our part and folded like a cheap lawn 
chair. We panicked, which is exactly what a team wants you to do when 
they aggressively press.  But I blame our end-game plan just as much.  
When we did get the ball over halfcourt, we screwed around in a 
backcourt weave for 25 seconds without even looking at the basket, then 
ended throwing up a crappy shot as the buzzer went off.

-Michael

Beamsley, Jeff wrote:
> I thought we rebounded pretty well last night so I looked at the box
> score.
>
> We matched Illinois on defense rebounds 25-25.  They got more offensive
> rebounds than us (10-6), but as you said there were quite a few of those
> that were long rebounds from three point shots.  Our offensive scheme
> doesn't lend itself to crashing the boards. So I agree that the
> defensive number is much better indication of where we are, and we
> played them even up in that stat.
>
> Jeff
>
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> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 11:13 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] B-Ball status
>
> <Personally, I've been more excited about (and had more fun watching)
> this basketball season than any in about 15 years
>
> This may be the best team we've had in the last fifteen years, and that
> is a sad commentary on NU basketball.  Until we get a good inside
> presence that can prevent other teams from getting two and three shots
> and get some put-backs ourselves, we will never be a winning basketball
> program.  In the first eleven Big Ten games we have only 69 offensive
> boards to 136 for our opponents, and I dare say most of ours were long
> rebounds.  Defensively it's
> 206 - 280.  If we got half the rebounds and changed nothing else, we
> would be in the race for the Big 10 championship. 
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Feb 15 16:12:14 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 15 16:13:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports]
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Nu forces ot with a 3 pointer with 25 seconds left

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:23:04 
To: 'Eric West'<e-west@northwestern.edu>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] The John Wooden myth


The sad thing about the "dump Carmody" idea is that it just might get more
credence from the new administration at the north end of Ryan, but might not
be a good idea.

Whoever comes in will wind up losing half of the players to Div II schools
much the way KON's crowd all bailed out for, and excelled at, lower ranked
schools. (I would make the case that most deserved to be in Div I but that
fight is unwinnable so....).

A new coach will have to make the decision to play a variation of Princeton,
to use the talent assembled, or shift to another style of play, however,
many successful teams are now running variations of the Princeton, and
credit that offense for giving them the tempo that allows victory most of
the time.

NU is running a quicker version of the Princeton now that we have more
shooters.

That said, IMHO, our weakness is in rebounding in the middle, breaking a
full court press, and defending against a team with more than one long range
shooter. (yeah, we also have trouble inside at times, but when the 1-3-1 is
clicking, the inside is pretty well covered.)

Luka, to his credit seems to be picking up more offensive rebounds lately. I
think Rowley, once he stops thinking about what he's doing underneath will
also. On the defensive end, Moore and Coble, and Luka all seem to get their
share of defensive boards. 

A new coach would play with the same guys for a couple of years, and would
probably have a lot of success because the kids are there right now, but
that coach would probably lose Mitch, and Tavaras and lose a lot of the
recruiting contacts in Chicago that are bringing the better middle talent
kids to Evanston.

Personally, I would rather base BC's future on next year's team, than go
through the complete shuffle that we'd see if there was a change this
Spring. Besides, we'd probably get another "coach on the way up" who would
win with BC's recruits for 2 years, then move on to a bigger job elsewhere.

I know it?s a Cubbie Joke [like an Aggie Joke in Texas] but "wait 'til next
year" makes sense to me.

Go Cats - win out and dance

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
A Few Basic Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
It's all been tried, and failed before.
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Eric West
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:02 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The John Wooden myth

It's hardly a "myth." By 1961 John Wooden had won exactly one NCAA 
tournament game (and that was a consolation game), he hadn't won his 
conference in five years, and the 20-win seasons were long gone. Though 
he was still the most successful coach at his school in decades (like, 
you know...Carmody), there's no doubt quite a few folks on this list 
would have been moaning that he'd lost his touch, he was regressing, he 
couldn't sustain his early success, the program was clearly heading in 
the wrong direction, it's time for new blood, etc., etc.

Beyond that, if our most successful coach since the 1960s -- by FAR -- 
can be called a "failure," then we are simply talking past each other. 
It's great to expect something that has never ever happened, but there's 
zero evidence to suggest that we will get there faster by firing 
Carmody, *especially* at this particular point in this particular season.

I'm starting to repeat myself, so I won't weigh in on Carmody again 
until after the season is over. It will be telling how the team responds 
to this jarring loss; the parallel might be the football team's loss to 
Indiana this year. Will the basketball team fizzle out, or will they 
buckle down, adjust, and get even better? The rest of the season will be 
interesting.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
> Let's put to rest this it-took-John-Wooden-forever myth as an excuse 
> for Carmody's failure.  The Wizard of Westwood's lifetime record at 
> UCLA was 620 - 147, an overall winning percentage of .808, and it was 
> .823 in conference.  He won 22 and 24 games his first two years at 
> UCLA (1948-1950). Prior to his 1964 championship win over Michigan (my 
> freshman year - we blew a game to Michigan at home that season, too, 
> when Cazzie Russell took over late), he won 20 or more games in six 
> seasons, 19 twice, and 18 three times. He never had a losing season at 
> UCLA.  His worst year was 1959-60 when he was 14-12.  By the playoff 
> rules of today, he would have been in the NCAAs the vast majority of 
> times prior to 1964.  He was even 47 - 14 in the two years at Indiana 
> State before he went to UCLA.
>
> We're not asking Carmody to win the NCAA championship at this point, 
> just get us the hell into it!  He hasn't even gotten his team into the 
> NIT with the also-rans, which makes us never-beens.


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From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Feb 15 22:45:58 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Feb 15 22:46:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports]
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...and eventually lost in OT.  But this was a much better game than the 
Illinois game.  Manny Harris was a one-man show in the 2nd and in OT and 
Michigan needed every bit of it.  They also kept Craig Moore bottled up 
for most of the game, too.  Still, we can kiss the Big T good bye with 
two home losses, but the NIT should still come calling.  And I'm with 
those who say that this is young team that has exceeded expectations 
this year.  Carmody gets another year to build on these guys.  The last 
thing we need now is an exodus caused by a coaching change.  If players 
leave in the off-season unexpectedly, or if they don't improve next 
year, then that's a different story, but right now, BC comes back.

hakirsch@aol.com wrote:
> Nu forces ot with a 3 pointer with 25 seconds left
>
> Harry
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
>
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 15:23:04 
> To: 'Eric West'<e-west@northwestern.edu>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] The John Wooden myth
>
>
> The sad thing about the "dump Carmody" idea is that it just might get more
> credence from the new administration at the north end of Ryan, but might not
> be a good idea.
>
> Whoever comes in will wind up losing half of the players to Div II schools
> much the way KON's crowd all bailed out for, and excelled at, lower ranked
> schools. (I would make the case that most deserved to be in Div I but that
> fight is unwinnable so....).
>
> A new coach will have to make the decision to play a variation of Princeton,
> to use the talent assembled, or shift to another style of play, however,
> many successful teams are now running variations of the Princeton, and
> credit that offense for giving them the tempo that allows victory most of
> the time.
>
> NU is running a quicker version of the Princeton now that we have more
> shooters.
>
> That said, IMHO, our weakness is in rebounding in the middle, breaking a
> full court press, and defending against a team with more than one long range
> shooter. (yeah, we also have trouble inside at times, but when the 1-3-1 is
> clicking, the inside is pretty well covered.)
>
> Luka, to his credit seems to be picking up more offensive rebounds lately. I
> think Rowley, once he stops thinking about what he's doing underneath will
> also. On the defensive end, Moore and Coble, and Luka all seem to get their
> share of defensive boards. 
>
> A new coach would play with the same guys for a couple of years, and would
> probably have a lot of success because the kids are there right now, but
> that coach would probably lose Mitch, and Tavaras and lose a lot of the
> recruiting contacts in Chicago that are bringing the better middle talent
> kids to Evanston.
>
> Personally, I would rather base BC's future on next year's team, than go
> through the complete shuffle that we'd see if there was a change this
> Spring. Besides, we'd probably get another "coach on the way up" who would
> win with BC's recruits for 2 years, then move on to a bigger job elsewhere.
>
> I know it?s a Cubbie Joke [like an Aggie Joke in Texas] but "wait 'til next
> year" makes sense to me.
>
> Go Cats - win out and dance
>
> rsl
>
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>   You cannot Litigate Peace
>   You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Eric West
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 5:02 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The John Wooden myth
>
> It's hardly a "myth." By 1961 John Wooden had won exactly one NCAA 
> tournament game (and that was a consolation game), he hadn't won his 
> conference in five years, and the 20-win seasons were long gone. Though 
> he was still the most successful coach at his school in decades (like, 
> you know...Carmody), there's no doubt quite a few folks on this list 
> would have been moaning that he'd lost his touch, he was regressing, he 
> couldn't sustain his early success, the program was clearly heading in 
> the wrong direction, it's time for new blood, etc., etc.
>
> Beyond that, if our most successful coach since the 1960s -- by FAR -- 
> can be called a "failure," then we are simply talking past each other. 
> It's great to expect something that has never ever happened, but there's 
> zero evidence to suggest that we will get there faster by firing 
> Carmody, *especially* at this particular point in this particular season.
>
> I'm starting to repeat myself, so I won't weigh in on Carmody again 
> until after the season is over. It will be telling how the team responds 
> to this jarring loss; the parallel might be the football team's loss to 
> Indiana this year. Will the basketball team fizzle out, or will they 
> buckle down, adjust, and get even better? The rest of the season will be 
> interesting.
>
>
> Eric West
> e-west@northwestern.edu
>
>
> Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
>   
>> Let's put to rest this it-took-John-Wooden-forever myth as an excuse 
>> for Carmody's failure.  The Wizard of Westwood's lifetime record at 
>> UCLA was 620 - 147, an overall winning percentage of .808, and it was 
>> .823 in conference.  He won 22 and 24 games his first two years at 
>> UCLA (1948-1950). Prior to his 1964 championship win over Michigan (my 
>> freshman year - we blew a game to Michigan at home that season, too, 
>> when Cazzie Russell took over late), he won 20 or more games in six 
>> seasons, 19 twice, and 18 three times. He never had a losing season at 
>> UCLA.  His worst year was 1959-60 when he was 14-12.  By the playoff 
>> rules of today, he would have been in the NCAAs the vast majority of 
>> times prior to 1964.  He was even 47 - 14 in the two years at Indiana 
>> State before he went to UCLA.
>>
>> We're not asking Carmody to win the NCAA championship at this point, 
>> just get us the hell into it!  He hasn't even gotten his team into the 
>> NIT with the also-rans, which makes us never-beens.
>>     
>
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Feb 16 13:12:30 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Feb 16 13:13:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] re: MSU football ticket price increase
Message-ID: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A65F94A61DA@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.cnbc.com/id/29216922 (from alum Darren Rovell's sports biz blog)

From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Feb 17 06:39:35 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Feb 17 06:41:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Pro Cats
Message-ID: <20090217.063935.19475.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

Trai Essex
Harding High grad, Superbowl champ tells of school's importance
Fort Wayne Daily News
http://www.fwdailynews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1408:Harding-High-grad,-Superbowl-champ-tells-of-school's-importance&catid=174:features&Itemid=151

Jason Wright - according to Pro Football Weekly it looks like they are trying to re-sign him.  Unfortunately their site is down otherwise I would provide the link.

Luis Castillo
http://mvn.com/outsider/2009/02/offseason-roadmap-afc-west.html
3. Defensive End/Tackle.  Luis Castillo is one of the most overrated players in football. Seriously, he is stealing money from the Chargers. Being articulate and charismatic doesn't put quarterbacks on the ground
** Ouch, but they did say he was a nice guy ;-)



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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Feb 17 07:18:10 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Feb 17 07:18:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Pro Cats
In-Reply-To: <20090217.063935.19475.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>
References: <20090217.063935.19475.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <000001c99102$2e4362a0$8aca27e0$@com>

Luis has been fighting injuries for the past two years, and has had to play
the hybrid inside-outside DE game without the team's top pass rusher - Shawn
Merriman.

His primary job is to tie up the tackle and maybe the guard too allowing the
rush MLB a lane to the QB. He was not drafted and put in the left DE to sack
QBs, at least not in the scheme the Chargers appear to run.

I wonder if the opinion on the page is shared by those inside the Chargers,
or is just some internet guy blowing smoke.

?

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
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Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
A Few Basic Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
It's all been tried, and failed before.
================================================
Luis Castillo
http://mvn.com/outsider/2009/02/offseason-roadmap-afc-west.html
3. Defensive End/Tackle.  Luis Castillo is one of the most overrated players
in football. Seriously, he is stealing money from the Chargers. Being
articulate and charismatic doesn't put quarterbacks on the ground
** Ouch, but they did say he was a nice guy ;-)


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Feb 17 16:18:15 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Feb 17 16:18:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Latest Advocat release
Message-ID: <001101c9914d$a13dc8e0$e3b95aa0$@com>

Passing along the latest from Central Ave....

WILDCAT MEN'S BASKETBALL 
Wednesday, February 18 vs. Ohio State at 8 p.m. - Northwestern Memorial
Hospital Night / Infiniti Networking Night: Careers in Medicine - To
participate in the networking session, call 847.491.7504.

WILDCAT WOMEN'S BASKETBALL 
Thursday, February 19 vs. Indiana at 7 p.m. - Women's Health Night: $2
admission when tickets are purchased in advance.  Plus, silent auctions for
the special pink jerseys the team will be wearing in honor of the WBCA Pink
Zone efforts to raise breast cancer awareness.

#16 WILDCAT WRESTLING
Have you seen Wildcat National Champion Jake Herbert wrestle? 
If not, this weekend is your best (and last) chance to see him wrestle at
home!

Friday, February 20 vs. Ohio State at 7 p.m. - Jake will be wrestling last
year's National Champion at his weight class.  Plus, U.S. Cellular visors
for the first 200 fans.

Sunday, February 22 vs. Iowa at 2 p.m. - It's Jake's last match at
Welsh-Ryan Arena as it's Senior Day. The 'Cats will be wrestling last year's
National Championship team!


Basketball and Wrestling are held in Welsh-Ryan Arena.
For more information, visit NUsports.com or e-mail
wildcatmarketing@northwestern.edu.

After all Wildcat home athletic events, please fill out our Fan Feedback
Survey at NUsports.com under "Fan Zone."


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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
A Few Basic Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
It's all been tried, and failed before.
================================================




From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Feb 18 22:00:39 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed Feb 18 22:02:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] now THAT is a win!
Message-ID: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A65F9576091@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>

What a turnaround from down 40-28 to a thrilling W!

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Feb 18 22:39:16 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Feb 18 22:39:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] now THAT is a win!
In-Reply-To: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A65F9576091@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A65F9576091@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <000b01c9924c$05d5b070$11811150$@com>

Listened to the game on WGN driving back from Germantown....

What a final 30 secs

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
A Few Basic Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
It's all been tried, and failed before.
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:01 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] now THAT is a win!

What a turnaround from down 40-28 to a thrilling W!

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From cp2m at enterprisesw.com  Wed Feb 18 23:35:04 2009
From: cp2m at enterprisesw.com (Chris and Lori Patterson)
Date: Wed Feb 18 23:35:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I'm a fan now
Message-ID: <CF13D8E6AF034A8183B268AD39599237@Eagle>

Great game! Big win!  Very fun to watch. Carmody's first against OSU.
Reminds me of Walker's first against OSU.

 

I didn't start watching the CATS this year until after they beat Michigan
State. I've watched every game since.  I've only watched a couple games per
year over the last 10 (O'Neil era and Carmody era) and this is the FIRST
year that I've really enjoyed watching them. I've watched 8 straight games
in a row! That's a record. Go Big Ten Network. Hope the ratings are up. Ok.
Call me a fair weather fan. That's legit.

 

I personally like the 1-3-1 and it looks like Rowley and Nash have improved
the last six games. Nice double pump fake Nash had under the basket tonight.

 

I've been impressed with the CATS and coaching. Sure, I'll grant the 5
whiners on this list (they always want to fire the coach and the glass is
always 2/3 empty) that the CATS should have, should have won the Illinois
game (but don't forget who the underdogs were). Which is worse underdogs;
the 9th place team giving up a 15 point lead to the 2nd place team or
tonight when the 4th place team (who should have won) gave up a 12 pt lead
to the 9th place underdogs? I'll call that a draw, though emotionally the
former feels worse.

 

I will say it has been another version of the Cardiac CATS these last 8
games. Six games decided by 5 points or less. 

 

Loss at Michigan - not close or particularly interesting to watch.

Win over IU by 2.

Win over WI by 3.

Win easy over Chicago State - by 8 - fun to watch

Loss at Iowa by 5. NU didn't play well. No synch. Frustrating game to watch.

Loss to IL by 1 - the devastating loss.  One play different would have
guaranteed Carmody as Big Ten Coach of the Year.

Lost to MI by 3 (OT).  (no folding after the devastating loss - says
something about the coaching and players)

Big Win over OSU by 3- after being down 12 (and didn't fold - ditto last
remark).

 

The coaches and players certainly are showing resilience this year. 

Remember, a disheartening loss to #3 Purdue (CATS up 10 pts with how many
mins left); followed by beating ranked MN and then #1 team in the
conference.

 

Five tough games ahead. Go CATS! They can match up against the rest of them!

 

Next up. Gophers. Sunday night 7pm EST. 

 

Chris

Knoxville, TN

 

 

 

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Feb 19 07:28:42 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Feb 19 07:36:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I'm a fan now
In-Reply-To: <CF13D8E6AF034A8183B268AD39599237@Eagle>
References: <CF13D8E6AF034A8183B268AD39599237@Eagle>
Message-ID: <E7219AB80B8E354C9A22B0D2CB1EF5AE04255ADF@nasa-dtw-ex004.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Didn't see the game. Only read the recap.  Nice to see that Shurna had
the winning basket, that we out rebounded OSU in the second half, and
that we came from behind.  These kids continue to learn what they need
to do in order to win.  It also demonstrates that Carmody is doing a
good job bringing the young guys along.

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Chris and Lori Patterson
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:35 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] I'm a fan now

Great game! Big win!  Very fun to watch. Carmody's first against OSU.
Reminds me of Walker's first against OSU.

 

I didn't start watching the CATS this year until after they beat
Michigan State. I've watched every game since.  I've only watched a
couple games per year over the last 10 (O'Neil era and Carmody era) and
this is the FIRST year that I've really enjoyed watching them. I've
watched 8 straight games in a row! That's a record. Go Big Ten Network.
Hope the ratings are up. Ok.
Call me a fair weather fan. That's legit.

 

I personally like the 1-3-1 and it looks like Rowley and Nash have
improved the last six games. Nice double pump fake Nash had under the
basket tonight.

 

I've been impressed with the CATS and coaching. Sure, I'll grant the 5
whiners on this list (they always want to fire the coach and the glass
is always 2/3 empty) that the CATS should have, should have won the
Illinois game (but don't forget who the underdogs were). Which is worse
underdogs; the 9th place team giving up a 15 point lead to the 2nd place
team or tonight when the 4th place team (who should have won) gave up a
12 pt lead to the 9th place underdogs? I'll call that a draw, though
emotionally the former feels worse.

 

I will say it has been another version of the Cardiac CATS these last 8
games. Six games decided by 5 points or less. 

 

Loss at Michigan - not close or particularly interesting to watch.

Win over IU by 2.

Win over WI by 3.

Win easy over Chicago State - by 8 - fun to watch

Loss at Iowa by 5. NU didn't play well. No synch. Frustrating game to
watch.

Loss to IL by 1 - the devastating loss.  One play different would have
guaranteed Carmody as Big Ten Coach of the Year.

Lost to MI by 3 (OT).  (no folding after the devastating loss - says
something about the coaching and players)

Big Win over OSU by 3- after being down 12 (and didn't fold - ditto last
remark).

 

The coaches and players certainly are showing resilience this year. 

Remember, a disheartening loss to #3 Purdue (CATS up 10 pts with how
many mins left); followed by beating ranked MN and then #1 team in the
conference.

 

Five tough games ahead. Go CATS! They can match up against the rest of
them!

 

Next up. Gophers. Sunday night 7pm EST. 

 

Chris

Knoxville, TN

 

 

 

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Feb 19 08:20:22 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 19 08:20:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I'm a fan now
Message-ID: <c1c.4dc5ebe3.36cec4a6@aol.com>

Yes a nice win, but back to football, if anyone can get info on Tyrell Sutton 
at the NFL Combine please report. I  think he is the only CAT! there 
 
Peace  















































and  Love  

 
In a message dated 2/19/2009 8:36:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com writes:

Didn't  see the game. Only read the recap.  Nice to see that Shurna had
the  winning basket, that we out rebounded OSU in the second half, and
that we  came from behind.  These kids continue to learn what they need
to do  in order to win.  It also demonstrates that Carmody is doing a
good  job bringing the young guys along.

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com  [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Chris and Lori  Patterson
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:35 AM
To:  nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] I'm a fan now

Great game!  Big win!  Very fun to watch. Carmody's first against OSU.
Reminds me  of Walker's first against OSU.



I didn't start watching the CATS  this year until after they beat
Michigan State. I've watched every game  since.  I've only watched a
couple games per year over the last 10  (O'Neil era and Carmody era) and
this is the FIRST year that I've really  enjoyed watching them. I've
watched 8 straight games in a row! That's a  record. Go Big Ten Network.
Hope the ratings are up. Ok.
Call me a fair  weather fan. That's legit.



I personally like the 1-3-1 and it  looks like Rowley and Nash have
improved the last six games. Nice double  pump fake Nash had under the
basket tonight.



I've been  impressed with the CATS and coaching. Sure, I'll grant the 5
whiners on  this list (they always want to fire the coach and the glass
is always 2/3  empty) that the CATS should have, should have won the
Illinois game (but  don't forget who the underdogs were). Which is worse
underdogs; the 9th  place team giving up a 15 point lead to the 2nd place
team or tonight when  the 4th place team (who should have won) gave up a
12 pt lead to the 9th  place underdogs? I'll call that a draw, though
emotionally the former feels  worse.



I will say it has been another version of the Cardiac  CATS these last 8
games. Six games decided by 5 points or less.  



Loss at Michigan - not close or particularly interesting to  watch.

Win over IU by 2.

Win over WI by 3.

Win easy over  Chicago State - by 8 - fun to watch

Loss at Iowa by 5. NU didn't play  well. No synch. Frustrating game to
watch.

Loss to IL by 1 - the  devastating loss.  One play different would have
guaranteed Carmody as  Big Ten Coach of the Year.

Lost to MI by 3 (OT).  (no folding  after the devastating loss - says
something about the coaching and  players)

Big Win over OSU by 3- after being down 12 (and didn't fold -  ditto last
remark).



The coaches and players certainly are  showing resilience this year. 

Remember, a disheartening loss to #3  Purdue (CATS up 10 pts with how
many mins left); followed by beating ranked  MN and then #1 team in the
conference.



Five tough games  ahead. Go CATS! They can match up against the rest  of
them!



Next up. Gophers. Sunday night 7pm EST.  



Chris

Knoxville,  TN







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From jason at jasonsinger.com  Thu Feb 19 14:41:44 2009
From: jason at jasonsinger.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Thu Feb 19 14:42:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I'm a fan now
In-Reply-To: <c1c.4dc5ebe3.36cec4a6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C5C30408.16482%jason@jasonsinger.com>

Don't know if anyone responded to this, but RB's are tested this Sunday and
can be seen on NFL Network at 11AM, 4PM, 8PM and 11PM EST (I believe the
11AM and 4PM are live).
Cheers!

- jason


On 2/19/09 6:20 AM, "MHRJGScott@aol.com" <MHRJGScott@aol.com> wrote:

> Yes a nice win, but back to football, if anyone can get info on Tyrell Sutton
> at the NFL Combine please report. I  think he is the only CAT! there
>  
> Peace  
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> 
> and  Love  
> 
>  
> In a message dated 2/19/2009 8:36:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com writes:
> 
> Didn't  see the game. Only read the recap.  Nice to see that Shurna had
> the  winning basket, that we out rebounded OSU in the second half, and
> that we  came from behind.  These kids continue to learn what they need
> to do  in order to win.  It also demonstrates that Carmody is doing a
> good  job bringing the young guys along.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
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> addressee or an authorized  designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose
> it to 
> anyone else. If you  received it in error please notify us immediately and
> then 
> destroy  it.
> 
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com  [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Chris and Lori  Patterson
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 12:35 AM
> To:  nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] I'm a fan now
> 
> Great game!  Big win!  Very fun to watch. Carmody's first against OSU.
> Reminds me  of Walker's first against OSU.
> 
> 
> 
> I didn't start watching the CATS  this year until after they beat
> Michigan State. I've watched every game  since.  I've only watched a
> couple games per year over the last 10  (O'Neil era and Carmody era) and
> this is the FIRST year that I've really  enjoyed watching them. I've
> watched 8 straight games in a row! That's a  record. Go Big Ten Network.
> Hope the ratings are up. Ok.
> Call me a fair  weather fan. That's legit.
> 
> 
> 
> I personally like the 1-3-1 and it  looks like Rowley and Nash have
> improved the last six games. Nice double  pump fake Nash had under the
> basket tonight.
> 
> 
> 
> I've been  impressed with the CATS and coaching. Sure, I'll grant the 5
> whiners on  this list (they always want to fire the coach and the glass
> is always 2/3  empty) that the CATS should have, should have won the
> Illinois game (but  don't forget who the underdogs were). Which is worse
> underdogs; the 9th  place team giving up a 15 point lead to the 2nd place
> team or tonight when  the 4th place team (who should have won) gave up a
> 12 pt lead to the 9th  place underdogs? I'll call that a draw, though
> emotionally the former feels  worse.
> 
> 
> 
> I will say it has been another version of the Cardiac  CATS these last 8
> games. Six games decided by 5 points or less.
> 
> 
> 
> Loss at Michigan - not close or particularly interesting to  watch.
> 
> Win over IU by 2.
> 
> Win over WI by 3.
> 
> Win easy over  Chicago State - by 8 - fun to watch
> 
> Loss at Iowa by 5. NU didn't play  well. No synch. Frustrating game to
> watch.
> 
> Loss to IL by 1 - the  devastating loss.  One play different would have
> guaranteed Carmody as  Big Ten Coach of the Year.
> 
> Lost to MI by 3 (OT).  (no folding  after the devastating loss - says
> something about the coaching and  players)
> 
> Big Win over OSU by 3- after being down 12 (and didn't fold -  ditto last
> remark).
> 
> 
> 
> The coaches and players certainly are  showing resilience this year.
> 
> Remember, a disheartening loss to #3  Purdue (CATS up 10 pts with how
> many mins left); followed by beating ranked  MN and then #1 team in the
> conference.
> 
> 
> 
> Five tough games  ahead. Go CATS! They can match up against the rest  of
> them!
> 
> 
> 
> Next up. Gophers. Sunday night 7pm EST.
> 
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
> Knoxville,  TN
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Thu Feb 19 16:55:27 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (scottzel@gmail.com)
Date: Thu Feb 19 16:56:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Shades of Jim Stack!
Message-ID: <558499189-1235084141-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1590099819-@bxe353.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

The last time I can recall NU beating OSU with a 3-pointer at the buzzer, it was 1983 and home court was DePaul's Alumni Hall. 

Always feels good to beat the Buckeyes in any sport. 
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Feb 19 17:18:02 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu Feb 19 17:19:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Shades of Jim Stack!
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I was play-by-play announcer for that game on WNUR, as a grad student.  It was an unaccustomed triumphant moment at the mic (I was never that excited as an announcer, to be sure).  Thanks for the sweet reminiscence!

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The last time I can recall NU beating OSU with a 3-pointer at the buzzer, it was 1983 and home court was DePaul's Alumni Hall.

Always feels good to beat the Buckeyes in any sport.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Feb 21 11:35:17 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Feb 21 11:35:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
Message-ID: <53C940F7697D4E0BBCB3F5D3C9D7B43A@DennisMachine>

The Wildcats are looking up a bit.  Coble never looked better than against O-my-we-lostSU.  Even Rowley had a brief flash of glory, something he has not shown all season.  My vote at this point is for Carmody to get one more year at the helm with the non-negotiable expectation that we will be in the NCAAs next season.  If not, it's adios amigo.  Moral victories be damned.  They still add one to the L column.  EXPECT VICTORY!  (I just made that up.  Honest.)

Closing out the season will be rough sailing.  Four of the last five regular-season games are on the road.  If they win three of those, they'll have the league saying, "Watch out!"  Could be an interesting tournament.
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Feb 22 10:29:31 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 22 10:29:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] I'm a fan now
Message-ID: <ce6.46702183.36d2d76b@aol.com>

For those who do not have NFL network, you can watch on NFL.com
 
Peace 
In a message dated 2/19/2009 3:42:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jason@jasonsinger.com writes:
 
Don't  know if anyone responded to this, but RB's are tested this Sunday and
can  be seen on NFL Network at 11AM, 4PM, 8PM and 11PM EST (I believe the
11AM  and 4PM are live).
Cheers!

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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 22 12:13:51 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sun Feb 22 12:13:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] after much cosideration
Message-ID: <556596.56086.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


I agree with Dennis about one more year for Carmody but it has to be, as he said, tourney or bust.

And there has to be improvement in late-game situations: mental toughness needs to be added and overall ball-handling improved.

bw

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Feb 22 13:56:04 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Feb 22 13:56:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] after much cosideration
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>From what I've seen this year....

The Cats need to learn how to finish consistently. Moore and Coble and
sometimes Thompson have a rough idea, but the Princeton offense is a 5 man
game, and all 5 on the floor need to be in tune with each other.

Rowley will be a much better player next year. We're starting to see him
grabbing rebounds underneath, so is Luka. That part of the game will just
keep getting better as they push each other.

Shurna could become another Coble next year, giving us a pretty good front
line of Coble, Shurna and Rowley/Mirkovic. We just need someone to become
Moore with the 3's and NU will be right in the thick of the Big 10.

IMHO

rsl

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I agree with Dennis about one more year for Carmody but it has to be, as he
said, tourney or bust.

And there has to be improvement in late-game situations: mental toughness
needs to be added and overall ball-handling improved.

bw

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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 22 13:58:18 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sun Feb 22 13:58:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] after much cosideration
In-Reply-To: <000001c99527$989b2f60$c9d18e20$@com>
Message-ID: <804811.25540.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


"just" replace Moore, one of the best 3-pointers shooters in the nation?

Big "just". Like all the football team needs to do is "just" replace Tyrell Sutton.

bw

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Feb 22 19:04:08 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 22 19:05:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Yikes
Message-ID: <568899138-1235351089-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-947778541-@bxe1215.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Checking my blackberry I see we are getting doubled up at the half 36-18

I guess we won't have to worry about blowing a big lead down the stretch

Harry
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"just" replace Moore, one of the best 3-pointers shooters in the nation?

Big "just". Like all the football team needs to do is "just" replace Tyrell Sutton.

bw

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Feb 22 19:32:56 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Feb 22 19:33:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] after much cosideration
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	<804811.25540.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Wellllll, that's all they really need to do for next year.

rsl

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"just" replace Moore, one of the best 3-pointers shooters in the nation?

Big "just". Like all the football team needs to do is "just" replace Tyrell
Sutton.

bw

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nothing." -- Camille Pissaro

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From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Feb 22 20:43:06 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Feb 22 20:43:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
In-Reply-To: <53C940F7697D4E0BBCB3F5D3C9D7B43A@DennisMachine>
References: <53C940F7697D4E0BBCB3F5D3C9D7B43A@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <49A20D3A.2080703@att.net>

Don't look now, everyone, but it's a (ever so slightly) positive note 
from Dennis about basketball!  :-)

But I actually agree in principle, Dennis.  I'm a little hesitant to 
make anything non-negotiable, especially where the whims of the NCAA 
selection committee may come into play.  But things like an over-.500 
conference record, defending the home court (no home losses to 
lower-ranked teams, no more than 2-3 home losses total), another good 
recruiting class, and a showing in post-season play that exceeds 
whatever we do this year (whether that be an appearance in The Dance, or 
a deep run in the NIT) are terms that I would be pleased with.  At a 
higher level, I would put it as "significant improvement" on all or most 
key measurements of program-level success.

On a different note, Tom Hamilton and Steve Smith briefly discussed the 
overall excellence of the sophomore class in the Big Ten this year..  Is 
there another conference that can match this sophomore class?

Thompson (NU)
Lucas, Summers, Allen (MSU)
Hummel, Moore (Purdue)
Davis, McCamey, Tisdale (Illinois)
Battle (PSU)
Diebler, Lauderdale, Turner (OSU)
Harris (Michigan)

That's not everyone, just the ones who really jump out.  If I dug into 
every stat and found all of the sophomores that lead their team in some 
key stat, I'm sure there'd be more.  I'm not nearly as familiar with the 
other conferences.  Are there any others that come close?

-Michael

Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
> The Wildcats are looking up a bit.  Coble never looked better than against O-my-we-lostSU.  Even Rowley had a brief flash of glory, something he has not shown all season.  My vote at this point is for Carmody to get one more year at the helm with the non-negotiable expectation that we will be in the NCAAs next season.  If not, it's adios amigo.  Moral victories be damned.  They still add one to the L column.  EXPECT VICTORY!  (I just made that up.  Honest.)
>
> Closing out the season will be rough sailing.  Four of the last five regular-season games are on the road.  If they win three of those, they'll have the league saying, "Watch out!"  Could be an interesting tournament.
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Feb 22 20:57:21 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb 22 20:59:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
Message-ID: <788838691-1235357901-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1966356156-@bxe1017.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I can't imagine the whims of the ncaa selection committee passing us by if we ever got near the bubble.  Having a Chicago based team with a first time ever appearance would both be desirable traits for the tournament.  (Not to mention the story of NU finally making the dance after hosting the first finals)
However I think if we don't make the dance in 2010 we should at least expect .500 in conference. If we can't achieve that, could we or should we ever consider dropping out of the conference in hoops ?  I assume its legal as ND essentially does it 
Harry------Original Message------From: Michael VanceSender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: nwu-sports@tssi.comSent: Feb 22, 2009 6:43 PMSubject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball
Don't look now, everyone, but it's a (ever so slightly) positive note from Dennis about basketball!  :-)
But I actually agree in principle, Dennis.  I'm a little hesitant to make anything non-negotiable, especially where the whims of the NCAA selection committee may come into play.  But things like an over-.500 conference record, defending the home court (no home losses to lower-ranked teams, no more than 2-3 home losses total), another good recruiting class, and a showing in post-season play that exceeds whatever we do this year (whether that be an appearance in The Dance, or a deep run in the NIT) are terms that I would be pleased with.  At a higher level, I would put it as "significant improvement" on all or most key measurements of program-level success.
On a different note, Tom Hamilton and Steve Smith briefly discussed the overall excellence of the sophomore class in the Big Ten this year..  Is there another conference that can match this sophomore class?
Thompson (NU)Lucas, Summers, Allen (MSU)Hummel, Moore (Purdue)Davis, McCamey, Tisdale (Illinois)Battle (PSU)Diebler, Lauderdale, Turner (OSU)Harris (Michigan)
That's not everyone, just the ones who really jump out.  If I dug into every stat and found all of the sophomores that lead their team in some key stat, I'm sure there'd be more.  I'm not nearly as familiar with the other conferences.  Are there any others that come close?
-Michael
Dennis W. Brandt wrote:> The Wildcats are looking up a bit.  Coble never looked better than against O-my-we-lostSU.  Even Rowley had a brief flash of glory, something he has not shown all season.  My vote at this point is for Carmody to get one more year at the helm with the non-negotiable expectation that we will be in the NCAAs next season.  If not, it's adios amigo.  Moral victories be damned.  They still add one to the L column.  EXPECT VICTORY!  (I just made that up.  Honest.)>> Closing out the season will be rough sailing.  Four of the last five regular-season games are on the road.  If they win three of those, they'll have the league saying, "Watch out!"  Could be an interesting tournament.> _______________________________________________> nwu-sports site list> nwu-sports@tssi.com> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports>>   
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Feb 23 03:06:56 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Feb 23 03:07:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
References: <53C940F7697D4E0BBCB3F5D3C9D7B43A@DennisMachine>
	<49A20D3A.2080703@att.net>
Message-ID: <9174479A96B04F05A7BC253D583D08EF@DennisMachine>

> Don't look now, everyone, but it's a (ever so slightly) positive note from 
> Dennis about basketball!  :-)

After 45 years of experience, it's nearly impossible to be positive about NU 
basketball.  They're going to have to prove it on the court.  BC gets one 
more "next year."  If he fails, he gets replaced with the Wizard of Id.

<I'm a little hesitant to make anything non-negotiable, especially where the 
whims of the NCAA
selection committee may come into play.

Win the conference or the tournament, and whims will have nothing to do with 
it.

<But I actually agree in principle, Dennis.

See?  That didn't hurt too much.  The smartest people I know agree with me. 
(OK, maybe not my wife.) 

From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Mon Feb 23 06:10:50 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Mon Feb 23 06:14:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
Message-ID: <20090223.061050.19336.1@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

NO WAY!

Financially men's basketball is a big net positive.

Any conference worth joining - Ivy League maybe would increase(travel) the costs while decreasing the revenue(TV and gate receipts).  

If we joined a "local" league Horizon for example basketball would quickly become irrelevant and might as well be dropped.

I still don't think we would make the tournament in the Horizon league.  Our current players yes, but after a few years of Horizon-league quality recruiting and our academic standards we would be middling in that conference with no margin for error -- only 1 tourney team.

The only way I see it if we dropped basketball entirely, which would only come after the rest of the conference disgraced themselves academically ala Indiana and Minnesota repeatedly.

-- hakirsch@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Mon Feb 23 10:31:51 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Mon Feb 23 10:35:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU the 12th tallest team in the nation...
Message-ID: <20090223.103151.14052.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

I occasionally check out the Pomeroy rankings and one thing I noticed was we were the 12th tallest team in the nation.

http://kenpom.com/height.php?s=HgtEffRank

Other than point guard(Juice) we had advantage at each position with the greatest at power forward +1.9" with Coble.

Here is an article talking about effective height
http://ww.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=82

Here is the rest of the Northwestern Pomeroy data
http://webmailb.netzero.net/webmail/new/5?count=1235406254

Nash is 39th best in steals percentage in the nation and Coble is 20th in turnover rate.  As a team we excel in not turning the ball over(39th) and getting turnovers(12th).

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From ddave at nusports.com  Mon Feb 23 11:06:33 2009
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Mon Feb 23 11:08:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest team in the
	nation...")
Message-ID: <20090223090633.8C257FE4@resin13.mta.everyone.net>

Some interesting data that perhaps speaks to the degree of success this year...that being said and at the risk of igniting a possible email firestorm,  what the heck happened last night? (I was not able to be home to watch the game, mercifully I guess...).


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Subject: [NU Sports] NU the 12th tallest team in the nation...
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 16:31:51 GMT

I occasionally check out the Pomeroy rankings and one thing I noticed was we were the 12th tallest team in the nation.

http://kenpom.com/height.php?s=HgtEffRank

Other than point guard(Juice) we had advantage at each position with the greatest at power forward +1.9" with Coble.

Here is an article talking about effective height
http://ww.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=82

Here is the rest of the Northwestern Pomeroy data
http://webmailb.netzero.net/webmail/new/5?count=1235406254

Nash is 39th best in steals percentage in the nation and Coble is 20th in turnover rate.  As a team we excel in not turning the ball over(39th) and getting turnovers(12th).

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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Feb 23 11:13:15 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Feb 23 11:13:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest team in
	thenation...")
References: <20090223090633.8C257FE4@resin13.mta.everyone.net>
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> Some interesting data that perhaps speaks to the degree of success this 
> year...that being said and at the risk of igniting a possible email 
> firestorm,  what the heck happened last night? (I was not able to be home 
> to watch the game, mercifully I guess...).
>
They couldn't shoot, couldn't rebound, and couldn't play defense, in part 
because several are suffering with the flu.  As the announcers said last 
night, it never seems the walk-ons ever get sick, just the starters. 

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Mon Feb 23 12:18:00 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Feb 23 12:18:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest team in
	thenation...")
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Maybe the walk-ons had been sick earlier but since they weren't playing no one noticed until the starters caught whatever bug was going around. 

John DeGroat 
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From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> 
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com 
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:13:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest team in thenation...") 

> Some interesting data that perhaps speaks to the degree of success this 
> year...that being said and at the risk of igniting a possible email 
> firestorm, what the heck happened last night? (I was not able to be home 
> to watch the game, mercifully I guess...). 
> 
They couldn't shoot, couldn't rebound, and couldn't play defense, in part 
because several are suffering with the flu. As the announcers said last 
night, it never seems the walk-ons ever get sick, just the starters. 

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Feb 23 13:16:56 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Feb 23 13:17:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest team
	inthenation...")
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The only thing I would add is that we were also playing on the road.
The rims are always tighter in the other guy's place.  As Dennis said,
we were a step slow all night.

Jeff 


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 12:13 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest team
inthenation...")

> Some interesting data that perhaps speaks to the degree of success 
> this year...that being said and at the risk of igniting a possible 
> email firestorm,  what the heck happened last night? (I was not able 
> to be home to watch the game, mercifully I guess...).
>
They couldn't shoot, couldn't rebound, and couldn't play defense, in
part because several are suffering with the flu.  As the announcers said
last night, it never seems the walk-ons ever get sick, just the
starters. 

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From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Feb 23 15:29:36 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (michael.vance@att.net)
Date: Mon Feb 23 15:29:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest
	teaminthenation...")
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 And "The Barn" has always been a notoriously tough road date for anyone because of the elevated floor and other factors.  It's been less so with Minny still being in a bit of a post-Haskins slump as a program, but it's still one of the most difficult places to go in and steal a game.


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> The only thing I would add is that we were also playing on the road.
> The rims are always tighter in the other guy's place.  As Dennis said,
> we were a step slow all night.
> 
> Jeff 
> 
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> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
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> 
> > Some interesting data that perhaps speaks to the degree of success 
> > this year...that being said and at the risk of igniting a possible 
> > email firestorm,  what the heck happened last night? (I was not able 
> > to be home to watch the game, mercifully I guess...).
> >
> They couldn't shoot, couldn't rebound, and couldn't play defense, in
> part because several are suffering with the flu.  As the announcers said
> last night, it never seems the walk-ons ever get sick, just the
> starters. 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Feb 23 15:54:47 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Feb 23 15:55:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest
	team	inthenation...")
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I was astounded that we were so far down at the half - and that we were so
close after 10 mins.

When I finally found the broadcast (on WIND) on the web, they were
questioning why Moore was on the bench all night - that he was sick came out
during the post game, and that Coble hadn't practiced all week came out in
the paper this AM.

I know that for the past 3 weeks we've had someone really sick leading up to
a game, which maybe explains why we seem to run out of gas at the end
lately.

What ever happened to vitamin B-12 shots?

rsl

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To: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest team
inthenation...")

The only thing I would add is that we were also playing on the road.
The rims are always tighter in the other guy's place.  As Dennis said,
we were a step slow all night.

Jeff 


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest team
inthenation...")

> Some interesting data that perhaps speaks to the degree of success 
> this year...that being said and at the risk of igniting a possible 
> email firestorm,  what the heck happened last night? (I was not able 
> to be home to watch the game, mercifully I guess...).
>
They couldn't shoot, couldn't rebound, and couldn't play defense, in
part because several are suffering with the flu.  As the announcers said
last night, it never seems the walk-ons ever get sick, just the
starters. 

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 23 16:09:27 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Feb 23 16:09:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest team
	inthenation...")
In-Reply-To: <000b01c99601$5892f710$09b8e530$@com>
Message-ID: <641480.7461.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> When I finally found the broadcast (on WIND) on the web,
> they were
> questioning why Moore was on the bench all night - that he
> was sick came out
> during the post game, and that Coble hadn't practiced
> all week came out in
> the paper this AM.

Mirkovic (sp?) apparently lost something like 20 pounds during the span he missed a couple of games, so this must be a nasty bug. Shurna was supposedly sick during the OSU game, hence his limited playing time. 

Although I enjoyed the OSU game immensely, as soon as it was over it dawned on me that there was a good chance that more guys on the team would get sick, and that if that included folks like Moore and Coble, the Cats would be in deep trouble. Looks like that's what happened. 

Really unfortunate timing. But better now than, say, Big 10 tourney time I guess. 

Tom


From cp2m at enterprisesw.com  Mon Feb 23 16:28:21 2009
From: cp2m at enterprisesw.com (Chris and Lori Patterson)
Date: Mon Feb 23 16:28:34 2009
Subject: FW: [NU Sports] What Happened?
Message-ID: <9F1924B3C90E4CB2ABC4C503513E8935@Eagle>


On TV they said Shurna had an IV before the OSU game, too.

Maybe they can shake hands, cough a little with all their opponents between
now and The Big Ten tourney...  :)   


Ok, not too sporting, but meant more to generate a chuckle.

Chris


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Maycock
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:09 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest
teaminthenation...")

> When I finally found the broadcast (on WIND) on the web,
> they were
> questioning why Moore was on the bench all night - that he
> was sick came out
> during the post game, and that Coble hadn't practiced
> all week came out in
> the paper this AM.

Mirkovic (sp?) apparently lost something like 20 pounds during the span he
missed a couple of games, so this must be a nasty bug. Shurna was supposedly
sick during the OSU game, hence his limited playing time. 

Although I enjoyed the OSU game immensely, as soon as it was over it dawned
on me that there was a good chance that more guys on the team would get
sick, and that if that included folks like Moore and Coble, the Cats would
be in deep trouble. Looks like that's what happened. 

Really unfortunate timing. But better now than, say, Big 10 tourney time I
guess. 

Tom


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Feb 23 21:14:44 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Feb 23 21:15:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What Happened?
In-Reply-To: <9F1924B3C90E4CB2ABC4C503513E8935@Eagle>
References: <9F1924B3C90E4CB2ABC4C503513E8935@Eagle>
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Germ warfare was outlawed in the Geneva Convention, which everyone knows is
meticulously observed by everyone.

rsl

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Chris and Lori Patterson
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:28 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: FW: [NU Sports] What Happened?


On TV they said Shurna had an IV before the OSU game, too.

Maybe they can shake hands, cough a little with all their opponents between
now and The Big Ten tourney...  :)   


Ok, not too sporting, but meant more to generate a chuckle.

Chris


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Maycock
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:09 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest
teaminthenation...")

> When I finally found the broadcast (on WIND) on the web,
> they were
> questioning why Moore was on the bench all night - that he
> was sick came out
> during the post game, and that Coble hadn't practiced
> all week came out in
> the paper this AM.

Mirkovic (sp?) apparently lost something like 20 pounds during the span he
missed a couple of games, so this must be a nasty bug. Shurna was supposedly
sick during the OSU game, hence his limited playing time. 

Although I enjoyed the OSU game immensely, as soon as it was over it dawned
on me that there was a good chance that more guys on the team would get
sick, and that if that included folks like Moore and Coble, the Cats would
be in deep trouble. Looks like that's what happened. 

Really unfortunate timing. But better now than, say, Big 10 tourney time I
guess. 

Tom


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From ddave at nusports.com  Mon Feb 23 21:24:05 2009
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Mon Feb 23 21:25:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] What Happened?
Message-ID: <20090223192405.8C22DCF6@resin13.mta.everyone.net>

Minor consolation: got to watch the Northwestern women's team beat the Lady Gophers at  home tonight on the BTN...they hung on for a nice win, after 16 straight losses to Minny dating back to 2000.



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--- rstetson@capps-assoc.com wrote:

From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: <cp2m@enterprisesw.com>, <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Cc:
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] What Happened?
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:14:44 -0500

Germ warfare was outlawed in the Geneva Convention, which everyone knows is
meticulously observed by everyone.

rsl

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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
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  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Chris and Lori Patterson
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:28 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: FW: [NU Sports] What Happened?


On TV they said Shurna had an IV before the OSU game, too.

Maybe they can shake hands, cough a little with all their opponents between
now and The Big Ten tourney...  :)   


Ok, not too sporting, but meant more to generate a chuckle.

Chris


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Maycock
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 5:09 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] What Happened? (was: "NU the 12th tallest
teaminthenation...")

> When I finally found the broadcast (on WIND) on the web,
> they were
> questioning why Moore was on the bench all night - that he
> was sick came out
> during the post game, and that Coble hadn't practiced
> all week came out in
> the paper this AM.

Mirkovic (sp?) apparently lost something like 20 pounds during the span he
missed a couple of games, so this must be a nasty bug. Shurna was supposedly
sick during the OSU game, hence his limited playing time. 

Although I enjoyed the OSU game immensely, as soon as it was over it dawned
on me that there was a good chance that more guys on the team would get
sick, and that if that included folks like Moore and Coble, the Cats would
be in deep trouble. Looks like that's what happened. 

Really unfortunate timing. But better now than, say, Big 10 tourney time I
guess. 

Tom


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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Feb 24 09:43:31 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Feb 24 09:45:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] IU might not win 10 games combined between football and
	basketball
Message-ID: <20090224.094331.12734.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

IndyStar: Ten wins total? It's going to be close
http://blogs.indystar.com/hoosiersinsider/archives/2009/02/ten_wins_total.html

IU might not win 10 games combined between football and basketball.

"...Since 1950, a Big Ten Conference school has combined for nine wins or less in football and basketball a total of 19 times.
<snip>
Of the 19 times it has happened, Northwestern has accounted for 14 of those times..."

Another infamous stat we lead in.

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Feb 24 09:50:36 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb 24 09:52:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] IU might not win 10 games combined between football
	andbasketball
Message-ID: <871720654-1235490684-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-499448465-@bxe1036.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Ah those horrible days

In 1978 we didn't win any football games and won 2 conf games in hoops for the 78-79 season with I believe 6 wins overall. 

Harry 


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Subject: [NU Sports] IU might not win 10 games combined between football andbasketball

IndyStar: Ten wins total? It's going to be close
http://blogs.indystar.com/hoosiersinsider/archives/2009/02/ten_wins_total.html

IU might not win 10 games combined between football and basketball.

"...Since 1950, a Big Ten Conference school has combined for nine wins or less in football and basketball a total of 19 times.
<snip>
Of the 19 times it has happened, Northwestern has accounted for 14 of those times..."

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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Feb 24 10:46:03 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Feb 24 10:46:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Not back home in Indiana
Message-ID: <96DD7EF89EE5400BB279EF80C609C8C1@DennisMachine>

Is it true that the last time Northwestern won a basketball game in Indiana was 1968, my senior year?  I recall that sophomore Dale Kelly led all scorers in that game.  32 perhaps?
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Feb 24 10:46:11 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Feb 24 10:46:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Latest News from Evanston!
Message-ID: <000601c9969f$666c7480$33455d80$@com>

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Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 24 12:48:28 2009
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Tue Feb 24 12:48:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] IU might not win 10 games combined between football
	and basketball
In-Reply-To: <20090224.094331.12734.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <452246.60453.qm@web83907.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Here's another (sort of) related dubious achievement:

Last year's men's and women's basketball teams had combined records of 2-34, with both wins coming very late in the season.? That will be hard to match by anyone, I'd guess.

--- On Tue, 2/24/09, mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net> wrote:

From: mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net>
Subject: [NU Sports] IU might not win 10 games combined between football and basketball
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Date: Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 9:43 AM

IndyStar: Ten wins total? It's going to be close
http://blogs.indystar.com/hoosiersinsider/archives/2009/02/ten_wins_total.html

IU might not win 10 games combined between football and basketball.

"...Since 1950, a Big Ten Conference school has combined for nine wins or
less in football and basketball a total of 19 times.
<snip>
Of the 19 times it has happened, Northwestern has accounted for 14 of those
times..."

Another infamous stat we lead in.

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Feb 24 12:56:18 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Feb 24 12:56:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] IU might not win 10 games combined between football
	and baske...
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In a message dated 2/24/2009 10:49:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
eschoeman@sbcglobal.net writes:

> Here's another (sort of) related dubious achievement:
> 
> Last year's men's and women's basketball teams had combined records of 2-34, 
> with both wins coming very late in the season.  That will be hard to match 
> by anyone, I'd guess.
> 

Almost as good a season as when U Conn won both national titles.

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From johnl at mac.com  Tue Feb 24 15:36:35 2009
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Tue Feb 24 15:37:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Not back home in Indiana
In-Reply-To: <96DD7EF89EE5400BB279EF80C609C8C1@DennisMachine>
References: <96DD7EF89EE5400BB279EF80C609C8C1@DennisMachine>
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It looks like 1968 was, indeed, the last time we won at Indiana.  Let's hope we can pull it out tomorrow night after a terrible outing at Minnesota.  I'm worried that it will be tough for the Cats playing at Assembly Hall with three days' preparation and half the team ill.

If you intended your question to be a trick question, then the answer is that the last time NU won a basketball game "in Indiana" was in 2006 when we beat Purdue on the road.  Before that we beat Penn State in 2004 in the opening round of the Big Ten Tournament in Indianapolis.


 
On Tuesday, February 24, 2009, at 10:46AM, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
>Is it true that the last time Northwestern won a basketball game in Indiana was 1968, my senior year?  I recall that sophomore Dale Kelly led all scorers in that game.  32 perhaps?
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Feb 25 17:27:12 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb 25 17:27:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fwd: Northwestern's Financial Condition
Message-ID: <c7c.456dd67e.36d72dd0@aol.com>

I received the forwarded email this afternoon from NU, as I am sure many of  
you also did.   It is a very well-written, cogent explanation of what  the 
University is doing to weather the financial storms that whip through our  
country and the world.  It should make all of us who bleed Purple proud,  and 
President Bienen is to be commended for demonstrating leadership and vision  at a 
difficult time.  
 
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Feb 25 17:29:24 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb 25 17:29:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fwd: Northwestern's Financial Condition
Message-ID: <c98.451003bf.36d72e54@aol.com>

Here's the email I tried to forward in its entirety:
 
Dear Northwestern Alumni:

The following message regarding the  University's financial condition was 
sent to members of the campus community  today. I am sharing it with you so you 
are fully informed on the University's  financial condition. Thank you for your 
continued interest and support of  Northwestern.


February 25, 2009
Dear Members of the Northwestern  Community:

The Northwestern University Board of Trustees recently  approved the 
financial plan recommended by the University administration for the  remainder of this 
year and next fiscal year, which starts September 1. Like all  institutions, 
Northwestern faces significant financial challenges as a result of  the 
worldwide recession now under way. I am pleased to report, however, that as  a 
result of the University's historically prudent fiscal management, we enter  this 
period in a relatively strong financial position. I also believe that the  
financial plan that has been developed will enable Northwestern to not just  
survive, but to thrive, despite these challenging conditions.

There will,  however, be a need for sacrifices. Operating expenses across the 
University must  be reduced in the coming year in order to provide needed 
funds for faculty and  staff salaries and increases in financial aid for 
students. All requests for  incremental resources including proposals for additional 
faculty and staff  positions are being scrutinized carefully and few of those 
requests will be  approved. But in the coming year we plan to increase 
financial aid significantly  while holding our tuition increase to the lowest 
percentage in more than 40  years, provide modest, selective raises for faculty and 
staff, maintain our  top-level credit rating, and, most important, continue to 
do the extraordinary  teaching and research that have long been the hallmarks 
of  Northwestern.

Specifically, for the remainder of this year and for  2009-10, we plan to do 
the following:

* Increase undergraduate tuition,  room and board by 3.6 percent for 2009-10 
while increasing the amount of  scholarship funds by 10 percent to $86 
million. At a time when many Northwestern  families are facing their own economic 
pressures, we will keep our tuition  increase to the smallest percentage in more 
than 40 years while increasing  financial aid funds significantly. We also 
will maintain our longstanding  commitments to need-blind admissions and meeting 
the full financial need of our  undergraduate students.

* Require all academic and administrative areas  of the University to reduce 
their operating expenses (other than salaries) by 3  percent in the coming 
year. These areas normally receive a 2 percent increase  annually, so the 
reduction will essentially mean a 5 percent cut in operating  expenses for next year.

* Limit salary increases. The funds available for  salary increases in the 
coming year will be less than previous years, but there  will be modest, 
selective salary increases.

* Review rigorously all  requests for incremental resources, such as plans 
for new faculty and staff  positions, with a goal of adding to the budget as 
little as possible and only in  those areas deemed critical to the University. I 
want to emphasize that we are  not planning any University-wide personnel 
reductions; however, personnel  reductions may be necessary in some areas, such as 
those supported by external  funds that may no longer be available.

* Reduce our capital expenditures,  including delaying several large 
construction projects totaling about $90  million.

* Limit the amount of funds we draw from the endowment. Each  year, we have a 
guideline established by the Board of Trustees to provide a  payout from the 
endowment to be used to help support the University's general  operations. 
Given the high investment returns of the past several years, the  guidelines 
would have allowed the University (with approval of the Board of  Trustees) to 
increase the endowment payout by 9 percent. However, because of the  recent 
dramatic decrease in the value of the endowment, we are not increasing  the amount 
that will be drawn from the endowment next year. That means we will  face a 
tighter budget in the short term, but this will help preserve our  endowment 
principal for the long term.

These steps, along with other  budget management initiatives, are necessary 
because Northwestern, like all  institutions, is affected by the recession now 
under way. Our endowment, which  reached a high point of $7.4 billion in April 
2008, now stands at approximately  $5.6 billion, a 24 percent decline. There 
are no signs of a quick recovery;  indeed, it is likely that our endowment 
will decline even more.

For the  long-term health of the institution it's best to build an endowment 
to support  recurring costs, so we continue to seek gifts that help endow 
scholarships,  professorships and other important activities. Currently, however, 
we're  somewhat fortunate because our endowment contributes less to our 
overall  operating budget than is the case for some of our peers. At Northwestern, 
only  about 18 percent of our operating budget is funded by endowment earnings. 
By  contrast, some peer universities rely on their endowments for upwards of 
50  percent of their budgets. Relying less on the endowment and more on other  
revenue sources, particularly tuition, has been a disadvantage to us when  
endowments were earning high rates of return. But at a time when endowments are  
plunging in value and earnings dropping precipitously, the fact that we're 
less  dependent on the endowment for funding day-to-day operating expenses has  
actually made things more manageable.

Nevertheless, Northwestern, like  many other institutions, has had to work 
hard to maintain sufficient operating  cash. We have been able to do so through 
careful management of our resources and  borrowing at favorable rates (the key 
rating agencies, Moody's, Standard &  Poor's and Fitch, confirmed their Aaa 
ratings on a recent University bond  offering). We have also secured additional 
lines of credit as a backstop in case  these financial pressures continue.

Alumni, parents and friends continue  to provide philanthropic support to the 
University, although we do not expect  our fundraising efforts to result in 
the level of success we've experienced in  recent years. Philanthropy is 
declining across the country; at Northwestern it  has declined slightly in the first 
half of our fiscal year. Our hope is that our  supporters will continue to 
make the University a priority during this  period.

Applications for admission are up in almost all undergraduate,  graduate and 
professional schools - but that isn't likely to translate into  additional 
tuition revenue. We simply do not have the capacity in most of our  programs to 
add students, nor do we want to do so, as it would change the nature  of a 
Northwestern education. In addition, we expect that both the number of  students 
needing financial aid, and the amount of assistance they will require  are 
likely to increase. That's why we're planning the 10 percent increase in our  
undergraduate financial aid budget next year, along with increases in aid for  
other programs. The increase in applications means that we are attracting some  
of the best students in the country, thereby demonstrating that, even in  
difficult economic times, the value of a Northwestern degree remains  high.

The major economic upheaval that we're now experiencing  understandably 
creates feelings of uneasiness. We cannot control the economic  forces that are now 
sweeping the world. But we can consider thoughtfully the  potential impacts 
of those forces and plan appropriately. I assure you that  we're doing just 
that. In its 158-year history, Northwestern University has  weathered some very 
difficult economic times, from the lean years following its  founding to the 
dot-com bust and aftermath of 9/11 earlier this decade. Through  all of those 
times, the University has remained a citadel of teaching, research  and 
scholarship. With prudent financial management and your assistance, I am  confident 
that Northwestern will continue to be a leader in the academic  community and a 
financially secure institution.

Thank you.

Henry  S. Bienen
President

**************************
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Feb 25 18:21:18 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb 25 18:21:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fwd: Northwestern's Financial Condition
Message-ID: <c1f.56cc6a2f.36d73a7e@aol.com>

I did receive it as well

I am not sure I would say I had pride, but I am not suggesting blame 
either--Our peers are  all going through the same thing--

I would hope all major non-profits that are experiencing similar issues look 
to ask their employees for pay cuts rather than cut heads --with the largest 
percentages coming from the top--

These folks used to justify their high salaries because the private sector 
heads were making millions and millions --and therefore they felt it was 
appropriate to make high 6 figures--( I know the head of the UC system made close to 
a $ million last year )Well certainly the days of the heads of the major bank 
heads making $20/30/40  million are over, at least for now, and the heads of 
Universities and NGO's should take large pay cuts as well-- I think just 10-12 
years ago the ranges were around $250 K--fine --adjust  it up for inflation, 
but that should be it--and the rest of the employees should be asked for 5-10% 
cuts as well until their finances improve or the market environment makes that 
"proposal" uncompetitive with our peers


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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Feb 25 19:09:10 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb 25 19:09:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fwd: Northwestern's Financial Condition
Message-ID: <cf4.49192936.36d745b6@aol.com>

I am calling  my Kellogg classmates this week to get them to contribute to 
our 1984 reunion  fund, hoo boy, they are not happy that big money Bienen blew 
$1.5 billion of the  endowment last year.  My old boss at Evanston hospital 
made $6 million a  year last I looked. Since 1980 75% of the private wealth went 
to 1% of the  population.  Conservative blowhards have at it, but the pigs 
are, and have  been sucking the middle class dry way too long.
 
 
In a message  dated 2/25/2009 7:21:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
Hakirsch@aol.com  writes:
 
 
These  folks used to justify their high salaries because the private sector 
heads  were making millions and millions --and therefore they felt it was  
appropriate to make high 6 figures--( I know the head of the UC system  made 
close to 
a $ million last year )Well certainly the days of the heads  of the major 
bank 
heads making $20/30/40  million are over, at least  for now, and the heads of 
Universities and NGO's should take large pay  cuts as well-- I think just 
10-12 
years ago the ranges were around $250  K--fine --adjust  it up for inflation, 
but that should be it--and the  rest of the employees should be asked for 
5-10% 
cuts as well until their  finances improve or the market environment makes 
that 
"proposal"  uncompetitive with our  peers




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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Feb 25 19:17:10 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Feb 25 19:17:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fwd: Northwestern's Financial Condition 
Message-ID: <200902260117.n1Q1HAX1028809@romaine.tssi.com>

> I would hope all major non-profits that are experiencing similar issues look 
> to ask their employees for pay cuts rather than cut heads --with the largest 
> percentages coming from the top--

I can tell you from personal experience with university administrations
that the biggest cuts on a percentage basis will usually be among hourly 
staff, secretaries and such, and that's also where the most layoffs will be.
--
Mike Nolan

From ddave at nusports.com  Wed Feb 25 20:33:12 2009
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Wed Feb 25 20:33:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats Win IN INdiana
Message-ID: <20090225183312.8C1E016C@resin15.mta.everyone.net>

Ok, so it wasn't against MSU or Wisky or Purdue, but the 'Cats played well tonight vs. Indiana, hit free throws, avoided turnovers, did reasonably well on the boards (25-31) avoided a late game collapse on the road, and rolled to 22-pt victory. Glad to see that after the flu-plagued outing at Minn. Moore and Mirkovic were both solid, and defensively NU shutdown Jones and Dumes forcing the Hoosiers to play pretty much like their 11th place record suggests they should.  

Good momentum builder heading into this weekend's home game vs Ioway.
Go 'Cats!


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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Thu Feb 26 07:41:48 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Thu Feb 26 07:45:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
Message-ID: <20090226.074148.10126.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

With the victory in Indiana we broke 2 streaks -- never having won at Assembly Hall(built in 1971) and not beating Indiana in bloomington in basketball since 1968.

What are the other streaks?

NCAA tournament appearance 1938
Bowl game win 1949
Football win in Columbus 1971

Am I missing anything else?

I believe we have won home and away with everybody else since 1995, with the exception of Penn State(only since 1994 streak).  

In that period we also won a team sport national title(x4), had a player on the winning superbowl team(x3), had a first round football draft pick(x2).

How about basketball?  I don't believe we have won at the Kohl Center, but that is new.  It probably has been a while for a win in Champaign or Columbus.

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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Feb 26 07:51:59 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Feb 26 07:52:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
References: <20090226.074148.10126.0@webmail11.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <C5DFFD98BE6344A4B980501E073E19CB@DennisMachine>

> I believe we have won home and away with everybody else since 1995, with 
> the exception of Penn State(only since 1994 streak).

If you mean football, we won in Happy Valley 14 - 7. 

From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Thu Feb 26 07:56:36 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Thu Feb 26 07:58:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
Message-ID: <20090226.075636.10126.1@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

I did mean football, but I was unsure so I decided to play it safe as I had no media guide available.

-- "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
> I believe we have won home and away with everybody else since 1995, with 
> the exception of Penn State(only since 1994 streak).

If you mean football, we won in Happy Valley 14 - 7. 

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From johnl at mac.com  Thu Feb 26 08:39:03 2009
From: johnl at mac.com (johnl@mac.com)
Date: Thu Feb 26 08:39:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
Message-ID: <1962483910-1235659096-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1749076068-@bxe1209.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

The one and only time the Cats have won in football at Penn State was the 14-7 game Dennis is referring to in 2004 (the same year we beat OSU; aka, the "Hawaii" season).

I'm assuming the 1994 you're referring to is basketball. 

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I did mean football, but I was unsure so I decided to play it safe as I had no media guide available.

-- "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
> I believe we have won home and away with everybody else since 1995, with 
> the exception of Penn State(only since 1994 streak).

If you mean football, we won in Happy Valley 14 - 7. 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Feb 26 08:57:09 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Feb 26 08:57:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
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Wasn't the 1971 game played at a neutral site? Cleveland?

I think the actual Columbus run goes back to Ara's win over dOSU in 1963....

Winning at the Shoe should probably be third or fourth on the NU list of
football accomplishments....

?

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Thu Feb 26 09:12:18 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu Feb 26 09:12:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
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No, the 1971 win over OSU was indeed in Columbus (Agase was coaching).  The
last win prior to that was 1958 in Evanston, I believe.

The streak I would like most to see broken is the bowl streak, especially
now that hated ND finally broke their 9 bowl game losing streak.  It's tough
to think how close NU was this past year, but at least Fitz has NU in a
reasonable position to get another shot next year (which would be only the
2nd time in school history with back-to-back bowl appearances... but, I
know, don't get too far ahead of myself here).

Jonathan

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> Wasn't the 1971 game played at a neutral site? Cleveland?
>
> I think the actual Columbus run goes back to Ara's win over dOSU in
> 1963....
>
> Winning at the Shoe should probably be third or fourth on the NU list of
> football accomplishments....
>
> ?
>
> rsl
>
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>
> Am I missing anything else?
>
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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Thu Feb 26 09:17:27 2009
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Thu Feb 26 09:18:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
Message-ID: <31494402.1235661447537.JavaMail.root@elwamui-lapwing.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



-----Original Message-----
>From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
>Sent: Feb 26, 2009 10:12 AM
>To: Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
>Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com, nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
>
>No, the 1971 win over OSU was indeed in Columbus (Agase was coaching).  The
>last win prior to that was 1958 in Evanston, I believe.
>


I was at the game in Columbus in 1962 and we definitely did win that game!  I believe the score was 14-7 with one of our scores coming on a kick return.

Clark Zahn




From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Feb 26 09:37:25 2009
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 26 09:38:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
Message-ID: <c1e.2c8aefb7.36d81135@aol.com>

In a message dated 2/26/2009 6:57:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
rstetson@capps-assoc.com writes:

> Wasn't the 1971 game played at a neutral site? Cleveland?
> 

I think it was Columbus, but I could be wrong--OSU had a terrible year in 71 
--I think they lost to  Mich/MSU/NU and Colorado--


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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Feb 26 09:59:12 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Feb 26 09:59:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270902260712q36be4171ha962659b9b2a4fdc@mail.gmail.com>
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We are going to win a bowl game some year.  The fact that we're getting
there with some regularity now will give us the same statistical
advantage that got ND over the hump.

The streak that I would like to see us break is a WIN a game in the NCAA
tourney.  That may require us to make a couple of trips too.  

That's not because we are in BB season.  

It is because our BB program has been down for so long and this would
indicate that we have returned to the ranks of the competitive.

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On Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 10:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...

No, the 1971 win over OSU was indeed in Columbus (Agase was coaching).
The last win prior to that was 1958 in Evanston, I believe.

The streak I would like most to see broken is the bowl streak,
especially now that hated ND finally broke their 9 bowl game losing
streak.  It's tough to think how close NU was this past year, but at
least Fitz has NU in a reasonable position to get another shot next year
(which would be only the 2nd time in school history with back-to-back
bowl appearances... but, I know, don't get too far ahead of myself
here).

Jonathan

On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Roy Lamberton
<rstetson@capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> Wasn't the 1971 game played at a neutral site? Cleveland?
>
> I think the actual Columbus run goes back to Ara's win over dOSU in 
> 1963....
>
> Winning at the Shoe should probably be third or fourth on the NU list 
> of football accomplishments....
>
> ?
>
> rsl
>
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Thu Feb 26 16:00:42 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Thu Feb 26 16:38:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
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It was a 14-10 victory at Columbus. I was there, with my parents, both
Northwestern grads. As a Dayton native, raised as a Wildcat, a veritable
apostate in the Church of Buckeye Football Supremacy, this was a very
big deal.

I also attended the Wildcats' 33-27 overtime victory in 2004 in
Evanston. (The ticket stub sits in the corner of the framed 1996 Rose
Bowl photo in my home office.)

I can't believe there are more than a handful of people who have
attended both these Northwestern victories over the Bucks.

FYI I broke my right wrist. It's in a cast for six weeks. I made sure
the cast is purple. On the prowl for Wildcat stickers to adorn the cast!

Go Cats - Alan


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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...

In a message dated 2/26/2009 6:57:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
rstetson@capps-assoc.com writes:

> Wasn't the 1971 game played at a neutral site? Cleveland?
> 

I think it was Columbus, but I could be wrong--OSU had a terrible year
in 71 --I think they lost to  Mich/MSU/NU and Colorado--


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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Feb 26 17:00:45 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 26 17:01:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
Message-ID: <bbe.43ed1a60.36d8791d@aol.com>


Alan, sorry  about your wrist, I can send you a couple of Willie stickers. 
they are small but  cute.
John
 
 
FYI I  broke my right wrist. It's in a cast for six weeks. I made sure
the cast is  purple. On the prowl for Wildcat stickers to adorn the  cast!


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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Feb 26 17:21:09 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 26 17:22:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
Message-ID: <1005688524-1235690507-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1986090371-@bxe1231.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

In 1971 I was in jr high,' my brother a freshman at NU and my father an alum of OSU, so I followed the game closely. I told my father that for the first time in my life I would root against the Bucks.  It was the start of something good !
Harry------Original Message------From: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: Hakirsch@aol.comTo: rstetson@capps-assoc.comTo: mlinhardt@netzero.netTo: nwu-sports@tssi.comCc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.comSent: Feb 26, 2009 2:00 PMSubject: RE: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
It was a 14-10 victory at Columbus. I was there, with my parents, bothNorthwestern grads. As a Dayton native, raised as a Wildcat, a veritableapostate in the Church of Buckeye Football Supremacy, this was a verybig deal.
I also attended the Wildcats' 33-27 overtime victory in 2004 inEvanston. (The ticket stub sits in the corner of the framed 1996 RoseBowl photo in my home office.)
I can't believe there are more than a handful of people who haveattended both these Northwestern victories over the Bucks.
FYI I broke my right wrist. It's in a cast for six weeks. I made surethe cast is purple. On the prowl for Wildcat stickers to adorn the cast!
Go Cats - Alan

-----Original Message-----From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]On Behalf Of Hakirsch@aol.comSent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 7:37 AMTo: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; mlinhardt@netzero.net; nwu-sports@tssi.comCc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.comSubject: Re: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
In a message dated 2/26/2009 6:57:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,rstetson@capps-assoc.com writes:
> Wasn't the 1971 game played at a neutral site? Cleveland?> 
I think it was Columbus, but I could be wrong--OSU had a terrible yearin 71 --I think they lost to  Mich/MSU/NU and Colorado--

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From r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net  Thu Feb 26 17:56:37 2009
From: r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net (Roger Beckwith)
Date: Thu Feb 26 17:56:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
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I agree, it would be interesting to see how many have been at both of  
those victories.  It is up to two.  I have been to one game in  
Columbus  - 1971.
And as a season ticket holder I was certainly in Evanston in 2004.   
Couldn't have been happier on either occasion.

Roger Beckwith

On Feb 26, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) wrote:

> It was a 14-10 victory at Columbus. I was there, with my parents, both
> Northwestern grads. As a Dayton native, raised as a Wildcat, a  
> veritable
> apostate in the Church of Buckeye Football Supremacy, this was a very
> big deal.
>
> I also attended the Wildcats' 33-27 overtime victory in 2004 in
> Evanston. (The ticket stub sits in the corner of the framed 1996 Rose
> Bowl photo in my home office.)
>
> I can't believe there are more than a handful of people who have
> attended both these Northwestern victories over the Bucks.
>
> FYI I broke my right wrist. It's in a cast for six weeks. I made sure
> the cast is purple. On the prowl for Wildcat stickers to adorn the  
> cast!
>
> Go Cats - Alan
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On Behalf Of Hakirsch@aol.com
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> sports@tssi.com
> Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
>
> In a message dated 2/26/2009 6:57:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> rstetson@capps-assoc.com writes:
>
>> Wasn't the 1971 game played at a neutral site? Cleveland?
>>
>
> I think it was Columbus, but I could be wrong--OSU had a terrible year
> in 71 --I think they lost to  Mich/MSU/NU and Colorado--
>
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Feb 26 18:16:40 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Feb 26 18:16:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining... 
Message-ID: <200902270016.n1R0Ge5I004247@romaine.tssi.com>

> We are going to win a bowl game some year.  The fact that we're getting
> there with some regularity now will give us the same statistical
> advantage that got ND over the hump.

It wasn't just a statistical advantage (ie, go to enough bowls and 
you'll eventually win one) , that was also a bowl game in which 
ND was heavily favored, unlike NU which was an underdog to Mizzou
and nearly pulled off the upset anyway.

As long as the Big 10's bowl committments keep matching Big 10 teams 
against (usually) higher rated teams, NU's and the whole Big 10's
bowl record will suffer, as it did again in the 2008-09 bowls.
--
Mike Nolan

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Feb 27 11:36:55 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri Feb 27 11:38:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] re: neat sidebar from NU/IU game,
 if it hasn't already been passed along
Message-ID: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A65FA511674@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090226/SPORTS0601/902260431/1069/SPORTS0601

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Feb 27 12:00:37 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Feb 27 12:00:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08DCFFB3@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
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Message-ID: <003e01c99905$4b828160$e2878420$@com>

This is really weird. 

I also broke my wrist - I was roller skating in Dallas, and fell down twice,
2nd time was the charm...

I'm also amazed that we have won at Columbus - I once wrote an article on
the only time the Cats beat Woody and the Bucks in Columbus, and had several
guys tell me the game was not played in Columbus but some neutral site.

Not sure what is right because the media guide doesn't say, but its enough
to get you to stop writing opinion pieces.

Anyway, in about 3 weeks the cast will become a major PIA and by the time
you get it off, you'll be sticking knitting needles up the back to scratch
the itch (I used a conductor's baton). Taking a shower involved some fancy
piece of plastic that we had to mail order so we didn't have to use plastic
bags.

Good luck

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports)
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
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  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
It's all been tried, and failed before.
================================================

FYI I broke my right wrist. It's in a cast for six weeks. I made sure
the cast is purple. On the prowl for Wildcat stickers to adorn the cast!

Go Cats - Alan


From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Feb 27 12:09:23 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Feb 27 12:09:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] re: neat sidebar from NU/IU game,
	if it hasn't already been passed along
References: <1A352B6D99069C49B8B94EE0884C0A65FA511674@XCHGNY1.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <E475459B58F54326BDB887A9D6253162@DennisMachine>

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090226/SPORTS0601/902260431/1069/SPORTS0601

You think maybe Santa had a clause in his manger's contract?  If you can't 
hear the bell ring, you can't understand this. 

From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Feb 27 12:10:58 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Feb 27 12:11:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bones and other hard subjects
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	<003e01c99905$4b828160$e2878420$@com>
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Can you spread broken wrists via e-mail?

From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Fri Feb 27 13:02:38 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Fri Feb 27 13:03:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
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Coach Roy,
 I hope you heal quickly!
 Warm regards, Alan 
 PS: I only needed one fall. Lucky me :>

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Lamberton [mailto:rstetson@capps-assoc.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:01 AM
To: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal); Hakirsch@aol.com; mlinhardt@netzero.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...

This is really weird. 

I also broke my wrist - I was roller skating in Dallas, and fell down twice, 2nd time was the charm...

I'm also amazed that we have won at Columbus - I once wrote an article on the only time the Cats beat Woody and the Bucks in Columbus, and had several guys tell me the game was not played in Columbus but some neutral site.

Not sure what is right because the media guide doesn't say, but its enough to get you to stop writing opinion pieces.

Anyway, in about 3 weeks the cast will become a major PIA and by the time you get it off, you'll be sticking knitting needles up the back to scratch the itch (I used a conductor's baton). Taking a shower involved some fancy piece of plastic that we had to mail order so we didn't have to use plastic bags.

Good luck

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Publisher: Purple Reign (Scout.com/Fox Sports) Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R] Northwestern University - Sp 1974 - Chi Phi: Pi74, KD68 ==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  =========== A Few Basic Truths:
  You cannot Legislate Morality
  You cannot Litigate Peace
  You cannot Tax yourself to Prosperity
  Wealth transfer makes everyone poorer
It's all been tried, and failed before.
================================================

FYI I broke my right wrist. It's in a cast for six weeks. I made sure the cast is purple. On the prowl for Wildcat stickers to adorn the cast!

Go Cats - Alan


From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 27 16:40:13 2009
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Fri Feb 27 16:40:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] does anybody know
Message-ID: <455562.69212.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


what the longest basketball streak is of one team losing to another in a specific place is?

All the stories of NU-Indiana said our 34-game skein in Bloomington was the second-longest active one. 

Anybody know the longest? (Clemson-Duke or UNC, maybe)

bw

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"Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal


      

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 19:43:02 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Fri Feb 27 19:43:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] does anybody know
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I believe it is Clemson - UNC which, unless Clemson won at Chapel Hill this
year, which I don't recall, is now going on something like 55+ years of
Clemson ineptitude.   They have *never* beaten UNC in Chapel Hill.  At least
no one currently in the Big Ten can say that about us.

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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> what the longest basketball streak is of one team losing to another in a
> specific place is?
>
> All the stories of NU-Indiana said our 34-game skein in Bloomington was the
> second-longest active one.
>
> Anybody know the longest? (Clemson-Duke or UNC, maybe)
>
> bw
>
> "Happy are those who see beauty in the modest spots where others see
> nothing." -- Camille Pissaro
>
> "Quis ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
>
>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Feb 27 22:53:33 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 27 22:53:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...
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Hope all you guys heal up soon.? I am happy to report that my Achilles Tendon (operated on 10/20) is healing well, and I am ambulating nicely.? Not running yet, but hopefully in a couple of months.? 

Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 2:02 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...



Coach Roy,
 I hope you heal quickly!
 Warm regards, Alan 
 PS: I only needed one fall. Lucky me :>

-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Lamberton [mailto:rstetson@capps-assoc.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:01 AM
To: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal); Hakirsch@aol.com; mlinhardt@netzero.net; 
nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Longest streaks still remaining...

This is really weird. 

I also broke my wrist - I was roller skating in Dallas, and fell down twice, 2nd 
time was the charm...

I'm also amazed that we have won at Columbus - I once wrote an article on the 
only time the Cats beat Woody and the Bucks in Columbus, and had several guys 
tell me the game was not played in Columbus but some neutral site.

Not sure what is right because the media guide doesn't say, but its enough to 
get you to stop writing opinion pieces.

Anyway, in about 3 weeks the cast will become a major PIA and by the time you 
get it off, you'll be sticking knitting needles up the back to scratch the itch 
(I used a conductor's baton). Taking a shower involved some fancy piece of 
plastic that we had to mail order so we didn't have to use plastic bags.

Good luck

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
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From cp2m at enterprisesw.com  Sat Feb 28 15:15:34 2009
From: cp2m at enterprisesw.com (Chris and Lori Patterson)
Date: Sat Feb 28 15:15:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CATS Win again!  55-49 
Message-ID: <1EF39DECF08749989992E9F7D581CE6F@Eagle>

Another fun game to watch.

 

Senior Day.

 

Moore sank two fouls shots in a 1 and 1 to put the CATS up by 5 with less
than 30 seconds to go.

 

Moore was covered tightly all afternoon!  It was good D by the Hawks on
Moore.

 

Thompson had three 3's in a row to put the CATS back in the game mid second
half. Coble had a nice game too.

 

Go CATS!

 

Chris

 

 

 

From ddave at nusports.com  Sat Feb 28 15:24:44 2009
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Sat Feb 28 15:24:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CATS Win again!  55-49
Message-ID: <20090228132444.BD7E9B47@resin14.mta.everyone.net>

Fun, stressful (particularly that stretch in 2nd half) and ugly...NU did not shoot well from beyond arc, except for the 3 in a row that Thompson made to bring them back into the game.  Coble worked hard under the defensive boards all day, not necessarily getting Reb's but blocks, tips etc.  Was glad to see Moore finally get off the 0% from 3-point range late in 2nd  half after going 0-7 I think - that was key to icing the game.  Particularly nice given it was Senior Day.

Go 'Cats. 

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From: "Chris and Lori Patterson" <cp2m@enterprisesw.com>
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] CATS Win again!  55-49
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 16:15:34 -0500

Another fun game to watch.

 

Senior Day.

 

Moore sank two fouls shots in a 1 and 1 to put the CATS up by 5 with less
than 30 seconds to go.

 

Moore was covered tightly all afternoon!  It was good D by the Hawks on
Moore.

 

Thompson had three 3's in a row to put the CATS back in the game mid second
half. Coble had a nice game too.

 

Go CATS!

 

Chris

 

 

 

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From cp2m at enterprisesw.com  Sat Feb 28 15:25:36 2009
From: cp2m at enterprisesw.com (Chris and Lori Patterson)
Date: Sat Feb 28 15:25:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Streaks, Records, Whatever
Message-ID: <22F02ED4C22C44C8B9880A80C7882325@Eagle>

The Big Ten Network announcers said that the win today gives men's
basketball the most wins EVER in McGaw or Welsh/Ryan arena during a season.

 

13 wins at home this year.

 

4 losses at home.

 

Overall record (with two more to go)   16 - 11

 

 

Chris

Go CATS!

 

BTW. Tim Doyle is one of The Big Ten Network analysts and is making a good
impression. The commentator always introduces Tim as a former star at NU
('07).

 

 

 

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 28 16:54:58 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Feb 28 16:55:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CATS Win again!  55-49
In-Reply-To: <1EF39DECF08749989992E9F7D581CE6F@Eagle>
Message-ID: <988004.95113.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Nice to see Moore go out with a win. It will be tough with the last two on the road, but hopefully we can move up a bit and make some noise in the Big Ten tourney.

When I see that (16-11 / 7-9) after the Cats, all I can think of is those late collapses against Purdue and Illinois at home (or the Iowa road stinker) ... 18-9 / 9-7 would have us a win from dancing right now. AArrrggghhh!

Still a solid season and hopefully we can get a couple more wins and an upset or two in Indy to make it interesting at least.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Feb 28 17:17:19 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Feb 28 17:18:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CATS Win again!  55-49
Message-ID: <1889905989-1235863037-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-385787521-@bxe1269.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

We need at least two more wins to assure NIT berth and hopefully one or more home games in bracket.  If we could snag a win out of next two and get to at least BT semis, we could still be fitted for some dancing shoes.

Paul Levinson
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Nice to see Moore go out with a win. It will be tough with the last two on the road, but hopefully we can move up a bit and make some noise in the Big Ten tourney.

When I see that (16-11 / 7-9) after the Cats, all I can think of is those late collapses against Purdue and Illinois at home (or the Iowa road stinker) ... 18-9 / 9-7 would have us a win from dancing right now. AArrrggghhh!

Still a solid season and hopefully we can get a couple more wins and an upset or two in Indy to make it interesting at least.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 17:44:40 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Sat Feb 28 17:45:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CATS Win again! 55-49
In-Reply-To: <1889905989-1235863037-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-385787521-@bxe1269.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1889905989-1235863037-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-385787521-@bxe1269.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <9a9d92d30902281544m5e3c09cama29ae294ea51e67c@mail.gmail.com>

The worst we could finish now would be 16-14 and I would be surprised if
that was not good enough for the NIT, though maybe not a home game. This is
not like the last time we had a winning record and got snubbed -- most of
our wins that year were over very low-RPI teams. We have several quality
wins over top 25 teams this year (FSU, Minny, MSU on the road) and our
strength of schedule was much stronger. I'm figuring we end up 17-14, and as
a BT team with a good RPI we should be a shoo-in for the NIT.

Scott Zeller MD

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:17 PM, <neonrye@aol.com> wrote:

> We need at least two more wins to assure NIT berth and hopefully one or
> more home games in bracket.  If we could snag a win out of next two and get
> to at least BT semis, we could still be fitted for some dancing shoes.
>
> Paul Levinson
> ------Original Message------
> From: sjtruog@yahoo.com
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>  ReplyTo: sjtruog@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CATS Win again!  55-49
> Sent: Feb 28, 2009 5:54 PM
>
>
> Nice to see Moore go out with a win. It will be tough with the last two on
> the road, but hopefully we can move up a bit and make some noise in the Big
> Ten tourney.
>
> When I see that (16-11 / 7-9) after the Cats, all I can think of is those
> late collapses against Purdue and Illinois at home (or the Iowa road
> stinker) ... 18-9 / 9-7 would have us a win from dancing right now.
> AArrrggghhh!
>
> Still a solid season and hopefully we can get a couple more wins and an
> upset or two in Indy to make it interesting at least.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Feb 28 18:36:43 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Sat Feb 28 18:37:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] basketball?
In-Reply-To: <9a9d92d30810161744t788d00b9u9aeb4330713e6d21@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cea.441348c6.362927a5@aol.com>
	<9a9d92d30810161744t788d00b9u9aeb4330713e6d21@mail.gmail.com>
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*I've been waiting for the right time to re-post this thread, as I said I
would about six months ago. Now I can do that "I told you so." Feels pretty
good.
*
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 4:44 PM, Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm going to save these posts so I an do an "I told you so" this winter. I
> don't think we have *ever* had a recruiting class like the one that just
> came in this fall. They will not be stiffs. And unlike football, in hoops,
> freshmen can make a monster impact (see OSU making the National Championship
> game two years ago on what was basically a freshman team). Look for this
> season to be one of the most fun times for Northwestern b-ball since riding
> the el in 1983. And it will only get better after that.
>
> Scott Zeller MD
> Med '86
>
>
>   On 10/16/08, CHerron604@aol.com <CHerron604@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rich Falk, Andre Goode, Gaddis Rathel, Art Aaron etc. did win the
>> games  they
>> should.  They may not have been great, but they were fun to  watch.  Can
>> we
>> even imagine fans and students riding the el to DePaul to  see one of BC's
>> teams ?
>>
>> Chuck Herron  Tech '85
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 10/16/2008 6:06:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
>> bwdolphin146@yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> I have  said many times I don't believe in firing Carmody, I just don't
>> see
>> anything  changing even when/if they do.
>>
>> "If the recruits pan out." How  many times have we heard that? I predict:
>> as
>> usual, one will be so plagued  with injuries he's a non-factor, another
>> will
>> transfer because he wants to  play for a team that can beat Cornell, a
>> third
>> will turn out to be a stiff and  maybe the fourth will be an OK player,
>> maybe.
>>
>> NU basketball has  never in my memory "won the games it should." There's
>> always awful losses.  Penn State, which should be a win, isn't all that
>> often. And
>> the non-league  debacles are killers.
>>
>> I hope for a long football  season!!!
>>
>> bw
>>
>> "Happy are those who see beauty in the  modest spots where others see
>> nothing." -- Camille Pissaro
>>
>>
>> "Quis  ipsos custodes custodiet?" -- Juvenal
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message  ----
>> From: "NEONRye@aol.com" <NEONRye@aol.com>
>> To:  rstetson@capps-assoc.com; bwdolphin146@yahoo.com;
>> nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> Sent:  Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:47:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports]  basketball?
>>
>> Having heard Jim Phillips at the NU Club of NY Sports Night  in August
>> (when
>> he appeared with Fitz and Kelly Amonte Hiller) and his  response to one or
>> two
>> queries about the futility of our Mens Hoopsters, I  don't think that the
>> AD
>> will give BC a very long rope.  If he doesn't see  real progress -- in the
>> form of wins, and not moral victories -- my strong  hunch is that he will
>> wipe
>> the slate clean and bring in his own guy.  On  the other hand, if the
>> recruits
>> pan out, and if the team at least wins games  it should win and pulls out
>> an
>> upset or two over the Big Ten powers or  middle level squads, then BC will
>> likely survive.  And I think that is  how it should be.
>>
>> Paul  Levinson
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Feb 28 21:22:40 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Feb 28 21:22:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] CATS Win again! 55-49
In-Reply-To: <9a9d92d30902281544m5e3c09cama29ae294ea51e67c@mail.gmail.com>
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I think NIT Home opener depends on who else from Chicago makes that
tournament. 

Of course we've played just about everyone tough (except Minny and Wiscy on
the road) so the next two away games should be winable, if we want to do it.

It would be a fine way to finish up the season, and for Craig to make a
farewell statement.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Scott Zeller
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2009 6:45 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CATS Win again! 55-49

The worst we could finish now would be 16-14 and I would be surprised if
that was not good enough for the NIT, though maybe not a home game. This is
not like the last time we had a winning record and got snubbed -- most of
our wins that year were over very low-RPI teams. We have several quality
wins over top 25 teams this year (FSU, Minny, MSU on the road) and our
strength of schedule was much stronger. I'm figuring we end up 17-14, and as
a BT team with a good RPI we should be a shoo-in for the NIT.

Scott Zeller MD

On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:17 PM, <neonrye@aol.com> wrote:

> We need at least two more wins to assure NIT berth and hopefully one or
> more home games in bracket.  If we could snag a win out of next two and
get
> to at least BT semis, we could still be fitted for some dancing shoes.
>
> Paul Levinson
> ------Original Message------
> From: sjtruog@yahoo.com
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>  ReplyTo: sjtruog@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] CATS Win again!  55-49
> Sent: Feb 28, 2009 5:54 PM
>
>
> Nice to see Moore go out with a win. It will be tough with the last two on
> the road, but hopefully we can move up a bit and make some noise in the
Big
> Ten tourney.
>
> When I see that (16-11 / 7-9) after the Cats, all I can think of is those
> late collapses against Purdue and Illinois at home (or the Iowa road
> stinker) ... 18-9 / 9-7 would have us a win from dancing right now.
> AArrrggghhh!
>
> Still a solid season and hopefully we can get a couple more wins and an
> upset or two in Indy to make it interesting at least.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
>
>
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