From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Dec  1 20:02:11 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Dec  1 20:02:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rahwr
Message-ID: <000001ca72f3$76875340$6395f9c0$@com>

Take that ACC - NU over NC State by 12!

And if you watched just the bumpers, NCS Won (grumble grumble)

rsl

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Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
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==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
So...
     How's that "hope" and "Change"
     Working for ya?

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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Tue Dec  1 20:03:58 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Tue Dec  1 20:04:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 65, NC St 53
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7C043@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

NU led pretty much the entire game. 

 Nash and Shurna were solid in the first half, Juice was rock solid in the second. 

 Wildcats now 6-1. 

 Wow. 

From scottzel at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 20:15:19 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Tue Dec  1 20:15:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rahwr
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Those who just watched the bumpers thought NC St won?
Guess it was a good thing that NU kept its eyes on the fenders and the rest
of the chassis.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> Take that ACC - NU over NC State by 12!
>
> And if you watched just the bumpers, NCS Won (grumble grumble)
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> So...
>     How's that "hope" and "Change"
>     Working for ya?
>
> Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
> ================================================
>
>
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 20:16:06 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Tue Dec  1 20:16:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 65, NC St 53
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and have won their only significant nonconference road games

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <
Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com> wrote:

> NU led pretty much the entire game.
>
>  Nash and Shurna were solid in the first half, Juice was rock solid in the
> second.
>
>  Wildcats now 6-1.
>
>  Wow.
>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Dec  1 20:31:17 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec  1 20:31:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bobby Bowden
Message-ID: <8CC410EA9036031-7A30-11BD6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com>

Back to football for a minute--after our hoops excitement tonight, both for NU and the Big Ten (which finally has a shot to win the Challenge):

On ESPNews, Mark Schlabach was talking about Bowden's retirement, and said that Seminoles are trying to get invite to the Gator Bowl vs. West Virginia (Bowden's coaching gig prior to FSU) for his finale.  However, he further noted that because the ACC tie is ending this year with the Gator, there's a lot of politics involved, and as a result, if FSU does not get a bid to the Gator, "they may slide to the Champs Sports Bowl."  I am not sure how that would work, as the Champs is contracted to get the No. 4 ACC team, which FSU surely ain't, but Ol' Bobby seems to want to depart from the sidelines on Florida turf, so he may manage to get what he wants.  That's all we need, the Citrus Bowl Stadium filled with tens of thousands of fans doing the 'Nole chant.  Ugh!   Even though they had a lousy season, their athletes still scare me, and Bowden's farewell would overshadow Fitz's continued ascension.  Let's hope for another opponent.

Paul Levinson
From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 21:13:20 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Tue Dec  1 21:13:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bobby Bowden
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There seems to be some disagreement betweenthe Gator Bowl, which desperately
wants FSU and the ACC about the interpretation of the rules.  Basically,
there is a two loss jump rule in the ACC, which would seem to prohibit the
Gator Bowl from taking FSU, assuming GaTech wins the ACC Championship game.
 That would leave Va Tech for Chick Fil A, Miami for the Gator and Clemson
to us.  However, the Gator maintains that, assuming Va Tech goes to the
 Chick Fil A (can you believe this is the second place bowl?) they are free
to take FSU since they will have already fulfilled an obligation to take the
loser of the ACC Championship before (it's apparently a once in four year
obligation).  Whether the Gator gets FSU appears to depend on two things
happening:
1) Ga. Tech winning the ACC championship game, and 2) Va. Tech being taken
by Chick Fil A.   If that happens we may end up with Miami in Orlando.  I
for one can't wait.  I'd love to beat the Canes, and beat them we will.

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/bowl-outlook-gator-wants-fsu-bowden-finale

Mark



On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:31 PM, <neonrye@aol.com> wrote:

> Back to football for a minute--after our hoops excitement tonight, both for
> NU and the Big Ten (which finally has a shot to win the Challenge):
>
> On ESPNews, Mark Schlabach was talking about Bowden's retirement, and said
> that Seminoles are trying to get invite to the Gator Bowl vs. West Virginia
> (Bowden's coaching gig prior to FSU) for his finale.  However, he further
> noted that because the ACC tie is ending this year with the Gator, there's a
> lot of politics involved, and as a result, if FSU does not get a bid to the
> Gator, "they may slide to the Champs Sports Bowl."  I am not sure how that
> would work, as the Champs is contracted to get the No. 4 ACC team, which FSU
> surely ain't, but Ol' Bobby seems to want to depart from the sidelines on
> Florida turf, so he may manage to get what he wants.  That's all we need,
> the Citrus Bowl Stadium filled with tens of thousands of fans doing the
> 'Nole chant.  Ugh!   Even though they had a lousy season, their athletes
> still scare me, and Bowden's farewell would overshadow Fitz's continued
> ascension.  Let's hope for another opponent.
>
> Paul Levinson
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Tue Dec  1 21:39:08 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Tue Dec  1 21:39:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 65, NC St 53
Message-ID: <12849448.1259725148304.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Great start to the season, and I'm starting to become a believer. But, while remaining cautiously optimistic, I still want to see what happens when we start conference play. - Jim B.

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  1 21:48:34 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Dec  1 21:48:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowling for Bowden?
Message-ID: <757137.25580.qm@web52901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well, looks like we have a reason to care about the ACC Championship Game now ... too bad 99% of the country can't feel the same.:)

Something tells me strings will be plum pulled to get po' ole Bobby into the Gator Bowl so he can say dag-gum goodby' on New Year's Day. Maybe they'll find some international rules to go by or let the bowls pick until the echo of the whistle?:)

But I also think Clemson has a good chance to upset Tech on Saturday -- though both looked awful last week. So that would leave a mess.

As much as I dislike Bowden and the Noles and would love to send him out with a big purple loss, I do not relish a packed stadium in Orlando doing that darn chant.

Maybe the Big Ten will pull some strings and get us into the Outback -- looks like Auburn is the SEC foe, which is a bit of a surprise and probably won't fill seats like Tennessee, so they may need the Badgers.

Way to go Cats in the ACC/Big Ten Challenge! Are we the only Big Ten school with a winning record in this thing?:) It's been a good last few days, hopefully Carmody and the Cats can keep it up!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Dec  1 22:14:16 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec  1 22:13:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowling for Bowden?
Message-ID: <bd1.674385e1.38474398@aol.com>

Well I am not sure what to say, Bowden will go down as one of the greatest  
coaches ever, and his basketball on grass, aka recruiting lots of fast 
black  players, changed southern college football for the better, somewhat like 
the  forward pass changed the NFL. Anyway I think we get Miami in the 
champs, which  will be harder to beat than FSU but stay tuned. 
From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Dec  1 23:24:42 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue Dec  1 23:26:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] These three wins in perspective
In-Reply-To: <000001ca7039$cea8b490$6bfa1db0$@com>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30105AA0C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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Judging from media guide (link below), this three-game stretch away from Evanston seems like the Cats' best since at least 1968-69, if you take the quality of opponents into account.

http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/09-m-baskbl-media-guide.html

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Wed Dec  2 00:19:44 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Wed Dec  2 00:21:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] RE: These three wins in perspective
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A bit more info on what seems to have been the Cats' best three-game stretch away from Evanston before this one, back in 1968-69:

Dec. 26 @ Gator Bowl Classic, NU def. Fla. 76-72 (Fla., captained by Neal Walk, was 3-2 at the time and finished 18-9 and third in SEC)

Dec. 27 @ Gator Bowl Classic, NU def. Boston College 77-68 (BC, coached by Bob Cousy, was 5-2 at the time and finished 24-4)

Jan. 4 @ E. Lansing, NU def. Michigan State 85-71 (Spartans were 4-4 at the time and finished 11-12 and tied for 5th in conf. with the Cats)

**That 1968-69 season seems to be the last time the Cats were nationally ranked - - they were 19th at the time of the MSU game and rose to 12th, but lost in OT to #4 Illinois and then lost six of their next seven games.  NU finished 14-10, 6-8 in Big Ten.



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Subject: [NU Sports] These three wins in perspective

Judging from media guide (link below), this three-game stretch away from Evanston seems like the Cats' best since at least 1968-69, if you take the quality of opponents into account.

http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/09-m-baskbl-media-guide.html



From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 08:22:33 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Dec  2 08:23:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowling for Bowden?
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Regarding the Outback - they took Auburn because they've had Tennessee in
two of the past three years, while Auburn hasn't been there since 1996
(actually they've picked an SEC East team in each of the previous 12
seasons).  I doubt the SEC opponent will have much of an effect on the Big
Ten selection, and it's hard to doubt that Wisconsin will be their pick.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the ACC bowl picture with the
Champs almost definitely NU's destination.  Being on the other end of a
Bowden send-off would really detract from the actual game (especially for
the opponent) and I hope that happens elsewhere (although he's an all-time
great and deserves a nice send-off).

Jonathan

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:48 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Well, looks like we have a reason to care about the ACC Championship Game
> now ... too bad 99% of the country can't feel the same.:)
>
> Something tells me strings will be plum pulled to get po' ole Bobby into
> the Gator Bowl so he can say dag-gum goodby' on New Year's Day. Maybe
> they'll find some international rules to go by or let the bowls pick until
> the echo of the whistle?:)
>
> But I also think Clemson has a good chance to upset Tech on Saturday --
> though both looked awful last week. So that would leave a mess.
>
> As much as I dislike Bowden and the Noles and would love to send him out
> with a big purple loss, I do not relish a packed stadium in Orlando doing
> that darn chant.
>
> Maybe the Big Ten will pull some strings and get us into the Outback --
> looks like Auburn is the SEC foe, which is a bit of a surprise and probably
> won't fill seats like Tennessee, so they may need the Badgers.
>
> Way to go Cats in the ACC/Big Ten Challenge! Are we the only Big Ten school
> with a winning record in this thing?:) It's been a good last few days,
> hopefully Carmody and the Cats can keep it up!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
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>
>
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Dec  2 08:52:00 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Dec  2 08:52:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowling for Bowden?
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One side issue if we play Bowden would be the post-game press conference.  The media might steer all their questions towards Bowden's retirement anyway (Fitz might get a minute or two at the end, win or lose).  Or, as happened a few weeks ago, Bowden might forget the opponent or score if asked.  It sounds like a lose-lose proposition for NU.  Beat FSU and we are overlooked, or criticized for denying Bowden his last great aw-shucks moment (carried off the field ?).  Lose, and the coverage will be all Bowden, all the time (might be that anyway).

I can already hear a bad broadcaster refer to our coach all game as Fitzpatrick ?

Chuck Herron   Tech '85 



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To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 8:22 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Bowling for Bowden?


Regarding the Outback - they took Auburn because they've had Tennessee in
wo of the past three years, while Auburn hasn't been there since 1996
actually they've picked an SEC East team in each of the previous 12
easons).  I doubt the SEC opponent will have much of an effect on the Big
en selection, and it's hard to doubt that Wisconsin will be their pick.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the ACC bowl picture with the
hamps almost definitely NU's destination.  Being on the other end of a
owden send-off would really detract from the actual game (especially for
he opponent) and I hope that happens elsewhere (although he's an all-time
reat and deserves a nice send-off).
Jonathan
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 9:48 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:
> Well, looks like we have a reason to care about the ACC Championship Game
 now ... too bad 99% of the country can't feel the same.:)

 Something tells me strings will be plum pulled to get po' ole Bobby into
 the Gator Bowl so he can say dag-gum goodby' on New Year's Day. Maybe
 they'll find some international rules to go by or let the bowls pick until
 the echo of the whistle?:)

 But I also think Clemson has a good chance to upset Tech on Saturday --
 though both looked awful last week. So that would leave a mess.

 As much as I dislike Bowden and the Noles and would love to send him out
 with a big purple loss, I do not relish a packed stadium in Orlando doing
 that darn chant.

 Maybe the Big Ten will pull some strings and get us into the Outback --
 looks like Auburn is the SEC foe, which is a bit of a surprise and probably
 won't fill seats like Tennessee, so they may need the Badgers.

 Way to go Cats in the ACC/Big Ten Challenge! Are we the only Big Ten school
 with a winning record in this thing?:) It's been a good last few days,
 hopefully Carmody and the Cats can keep it up!

 GO CATS!!!
 -SjT


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 sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Dec  2 09:16:59 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Dec  2 09:16:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rahwr
In-Reply-To: <9a9d92d30912011815m1582ae86ub5dc7ec40138019f@mail.gmail.com>
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I was ticked off during the bumpers into the breaks because they were whatever good play NCS did
instead of some of ours that kept us ahead.

If you only watched the breaks, it appeared that NCS was winning handily, but they didn't show
much of Juice and the Nash breaking them down.

ESPN's script for the game was a win for NC State - and they showed their bias in what they
picked as they headed for commercial.

As the game wound down and it was pretty obvious that the Cats were going to win, the announcers
kinda changed their tune, but the ACC wins them all tune never really went away.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
So...
     How's that "hope" and "Change"
     Working for ya?

Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
================================================

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Scott Zeller
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:15 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Rahwr

Those who just watched the bumpers thought NC St won?
Guess it was a good thing that NU kept its eyes on the fenders and the rest
of the chassis.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> Take that ACC - NU over NC State by 12!
>
> And if you watched just the bumpers, NCS Won (grumble grumble)
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========
> So...
>     How's that "hope" and "Change"
>     Working for ya?
>
> Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
> ================================================
>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Wed Dec  2 09:22:15 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Wed Dec  2 09:22:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rahwr
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Had the same experience is talking with a co-worker from our Durham office.

Though she is a big NC fan, she remarked how shocked she was at how far the NC State program has fallen.  I suggested that it could have been the NU has just gotten a lot better.

Unfortunately until we get into the dance, we are going to continue to deal with the bias of low expectations.

Same thing happened in '95 with the football team.  Took most of the season for casual fans to acknowledge that NU was winning rather than the other team having a bad day.

Jeff


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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Rahwr

I was ticked off during the bumpers into the breaks because they were whatever good play NCS did instead of some of ours that kept us ahead.

If you only watched the breaks, it appeared that NCS was winning handily, but they didn't show much of Juice and the Nash breaking them down.

ESPN's script for the game was a win for NC State - and they showed their bias in what they picked as they headed for commercial.

As the game wound down and it was pretty obvious that the Cats were going to win, the announcers kinda changed their tune, but the ACC wins them all tune never really went away.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
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     How's that "hope" and "Change"
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Scott Zeller
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 9:15 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Rahwr

Those who just watched the bumpers thought NC St won?
Guess it was a good thing that NU kept its eyes on the fenders and the rest of the chassis.

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>wrote:

> Take that ACC - NU over NC State by 12!
>
> And if you watched just the bumpers, NCS Won (grumble grumble)
>
> rsl
>
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From artmiller_news at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  2 12:56:00 2009
From: artmiller_news at yahoo.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Wed Dec  2 12:56:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rahwr
In-Reply-To: <003701ca7362$7eff24c0$7cfd6e40$@com>
Message-ID: <92217.28705.qm@web113817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I found this annoying, too--as well as the frequent comments from Jay whathisname that NU didn't have near the athletes that NC State had.  

Would anyone watching the game sans commentary have concluded that?  Whether it's because we're Northwestern, or because we have a lot of white guys on the squad, it's still crappy journalism.  Here's a different narrative Jay could have dug out: that a well-coached, disciplined team with better fundamentals often scores more points than a their more-athletic opponents.  Duh.



--- On Wed, 12/2/09, Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> From: Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Rahwr
> To: "'Scott Zeller'" <scottzel@gmail.com>, nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 9:16 AM
> I was ticked off during the bumpers
> into the breaks because they were whatever good play NCS
> did
> instead of some of ours that kept us ahead.
> 
> If you only watched the breaks, it appeared that NCS was
> winning handily, but they didn't show
> much of Juice and the Nash breaking them down.
> 
> ESPN's script for the game was a win for NC State - and
> they showed their bias in what they
> picked as they headed for commercial.
> 
> As the game wound down and it was pretty obvious that the
> Cats were going to win, the announcers
> kinda changed their tune, but the ACC wins them all tune
> never really went away.
> 



      

From a_ament at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  2 15:55:27 2009
From: a_ament at hotmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Wed Dec  2 15:56:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] RPI
In-Reply-To: <92217.28705.qm@web113817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <003701ca7362$7eff24c0$7cfd6e40$@com>,
	<92217.28705.qm@web113817.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU103-W27B3AC865BF52E2607E1C782950@phx.gbl>


Its very early to be talking about it and the rankings will change dramatically in the next few weeks...but CBS Sportsline currently has us with an RPI of 31....nine spots ahead of an undefeated Kansas...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/polls/rpi/index1
 		 	   		  
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  2 22:25:35 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Dec  2 22:25:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten hoops!!!
Message-ID: <376485.83113.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

A thrilling finish in Madison should seal (barring a collapse by OSU) a win -- finally -- for the Big Ten in that blasted challenge! Doesn't mean too much in reality, but the perception for the league will be HUGE and at the very least, we can tell the ACC folk to shove it for the next few months.:)

It certainly speaks well of the Big Ten that we can win this despite some of the upsets today with Michigan and Minnesota falling and MSU not looking like the team we expected the previous night. Nice comeback by Illinois and a gutsy effort by Wisconsin.

It's good news for the Cats as well because it helps the league's RPI and status nationally for tourney selection time. We know Purdue and MSU are Final Four contenders and OSU, Wisky, Illinois and Minny are pretty solid bets to be tourney teams. We're going to be fighting with Michigan and PSU to get a bid and the better the league is viewed, the better our chance of sneaking in. 

Plus the better the chance we'll be ranked and taken seriously outside the league when we beat some of these top 20 teams!:)

It's what the Big Ten needs to do in football this December and January -- get some big wins, smack down the SEC a bit and set it up so that next year, an 8-4 team that finishes 4th and wins 5 of its last 6 games (including two over ranked teams) is IN THE TOP 25 and FORCED TO BE TAKEN by the friggin' Outback Bowl!

GO CATS!!!
And yes, Go Big Ten!!!
- SjT


* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From ddave at nusports.com  Thu Dec  3 07:02:25 2009
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Thu Dec  3 07:02:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten hoops!!!
Message-ID: <20091203050225.47D7B1CC@resin14.mta.everyone.net>

I am always thrilled when the Dookies lose, and having them get beat by a B10 team was extra special. Wisky played well, finally managed to contain Singler a bit in the 2nd half, and hung on down the stretch when it got close. In the Illini game, not sure which was more incredible, Illinois' 23 point comeback or Clemson's 23 point collapse (more common in NBA than in college games :-) - Illini showed a lot of poise in staying with the game after a dismal 1st half. 

Go 'Cats!


dave bradley
(717) 687-5355-home
(717) 333-7611-cell
ddave@NUsports.com



--- sjtruog@yahoo.com wrote:

From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten hoops!!!
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:25:35 -0800 (PST)

A thrilling finish in Madison should seal (barring a collapse by OSU) a win -- finally -- for the Big Ten in that blasted challenge! Doesn't mean too much in reality, but the perception for the league will be HUGE and at the very least, we can tell the ACC folk to shove it for the next few months.:)

It certainly speaks well of the Big Ten that we can win this despite some of the upsets today with Michigan and Minnesota falling and MSU not looking like the team we expected the previous night. Nice comeback by Illinois and a gutsy effort by Wisconsin.

It's good news for the Cats as well because it helps the league's RPI and status nationally for tourney selection time. We know Purdue and MSU are Final Four contenders and OSU, Wisky, Illinois and Minny are pretty solid bets to be tourney teams. We're going to be fighting with Michigan and PSU to get a bid and the better the league is viewed, the better our chance of sneaking in. 

Plus the better the chance we'll be ranked and taken seriously outside the league when we beat some of these top 20 teams!:)

It's what the Big Ten needs to do in football this December and January -- get some big wins, smack down the SEC a bit and set it up so that next year, an 8-4 team that finishes 4th and wins 5 of its last 6 games (including two over ranked teams) is IN THE TOP 25 and FORCED TO BE TAKEN by the friggin' Outback Bowl!

GO CATS!!!
And yes, Go Big Ten!!!
- SjT


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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  3 14:12:05 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Thu Dec  3 14:12:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten hoops!!!
Message-ID: <2030614.1259871125576.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

To provide a contrasting view, as an NU alum, I can relate far more to Duke than to Wisconsin. Doesn't Duke basketball represent what we wish we could become in that sport? - Jim B.


-----Original Message-----
>From: dave bradley <ddave@nusports.com>
>Sent: Dec 3, 2009 8:02 AM
>To: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
>Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big Ten hoops!!!
>
>I am always thrilled when the Dookies lose, and having them get beat by a B10 team was extra special. Wisky played well, finally managed to contain Singler a bit in the 2nd half, and hung on down the stretch when it got close. In the Illini game, not sure which was more incredible, Illinois' 23 point comeback or Clemson's 23 point collapse (more common in NBA than in college games :-) - Illini showed a lot of poise in staying with the game after a dismal 1st half. 
>
>Go 'Cats!
>
>
>dave bradley
>(717) 687-5355-home
>(717) 333-7611-cell
>ddave@NUsports.com
>
>
>
>--- sjtruog@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten hoops!!!
>Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:25:35 -0800 (PST)
>
>A thrilling finish in Madison should seal (barring a collapse by OSU) a win -- finally -- for the Big Ten in that blasted challenge! Doesn't mean too much in reality, but the perception for the league will be HUGE and at the very least, we can tell the ACC folk to shove it for the next few months.:)
>
>It certainly speaks well of the Big Ten that we can win this despite some of the upsets today with Michigan and Minnesota falling and MSU not looking like the team we expected the previous night. Nice comeback by Illinois and a gutsy effort by Wisconsin.
>
>It's good news for the Cats as well because it helps the league's RPI and status nationally for tourney selection time. We know Purdue and MSU are Final Four contenders and OSU, Wisky, Illinois and Minny are pretty solid bets to be tourney teams. We're going to be fighting with Michigan and PSU to get a bid and the better the league is viewed, the better our chance of sneaking in. 
>
>Plus the better the chance we'll be ranked and taken seriously outside the league when we beat some of these top 20 teams!:)
>
>It's what the Big Ten needs to do in football this December and January -- get some big wins, smack down the SEC a bit and set it up so that next year, an 8-4 team that finishes 4th and wins 5 of its last 6 games (including two over ranked teams) is IN THE TOP 25 and FORCED TO BE TAKEN by the friggin' Outback Bowl!
>
>GO CATS!!!
>And yes, Go Big Ten!!!
>- SjT
>
>
>* * * * * * * * *
>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog@yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!!
>
>
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>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Dec  3 15:39:18 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Dec  3 15:38:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten hoops!!!
In-Reply-To: <2030614.1259871125576.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <2030614.1259871125576.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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For one thing, Duke was supposed to have created a special 3 year program for round ballers who
planned to go pro. It gave them a BA in 3 years and if they stayed a fourth, they could get a
masters.

NU has traditionally hidden its athletes in "Communication Studies" but recently did create a
Sports Management program that several of our ball players find attractive.

But having known some Dookies, I can tell you that NU is a much more rigorous institution.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
So...
     How's that "hope" and "Change"
     Working for ya?

Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jim Bendat
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 3:12 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big Ten hoops!!!

To provide a contrasting view, as an NU alum, I can relate far more to Duke than to Wisconsin.
Doesn't Duke basketball represent what we wish we could become in that sport? - Jim B.


-----Original Message-----
>From: dave bradley <ddave@nusports.com>
>Sent: Dec 3, 2009 8:02 AM
>To: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
>Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big Ten hoops!!!
>
>I am always thrilled when the Dookies lose, and having them get beat by a B10 team was extra
special. Wisky played well, finally managed to contain Singler a bit in the 2nd half, and hung
on down the stretch when it got close. In the Illini game, not sure which was more incredible,
Illinois' 23 point comeback or Clemson's 23 point collapse (more common in NBA than in college
games :-) - Illini showed a lot of poise in staying with the game after a dismal 1st half. 
>
>Go 'Cats!
>
>
>dave bradley
>(717) 687-5355-home
>(717) 333-7611-cell
>ddave@NUsports.com
>
>
>
>--- sjtruog@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten hoops!!!
>Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 20:25:35 -0800 (PST)
>
>A thrilling finish in Madison should seal (barring a collapse by OSU) a win -- finally -- for
the Big Ten in that blasted challenge! Doesn't mean too much in reality, but the perception for
the league will be HUGE and at the very least, we can tell the ACC folk to shove it for the next
few months.:)
>
>It certainly speaks well of the Big Ten that we can win this despite some of the upsets today
with Michigan and Minnesota falling and MSU not looking like the team we expected the previous
night. Nice comeback by Illinois and a gutsy effort by Wisconsin.

>
>It's good news for the Cats as well because it helps the league's RPI and status nationally for
tourney selection time. We know Purdue and MSU are Final Four contenders and OSU, Wisky,
Illinois and Minny are pretty solid bets to be tourney teams. We're going to be fighting with
Michigan and PSU to get a bid and the better the league is viewed, the better our chance of
sneaking in. 
>
>Plus the better the chance we'll be ranked and taken seriously outside the league when we beat
some of these top 20 teams!:)
>
>It's what the Big Ten needs to do in football this December and January -- get some big wins,
smack down the SEC a bit and set it up so that next year, an 8-4 team that finishes 4th and wins
5 of its last 6 games (including two over ranked teams) is IN THE TOP 25 and FORCED TO BE TAKEN
by the friggin' Outback Bowl!
>
>GO CATS!!!
>And yes, Go Big Ten!!!
>- SjT
>
>
>* * * * * * * * *
>STEPHEN J. TRUOG
>sjtruog@yahoo.com
>GO CATS!!!
>
>
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>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  3 22:47:04 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Dec  3 22:47:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten hoops!!!
In-Reply-To: <2030614.1259871125576.JavaMail.root@wamui-hunyo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <518568.18829.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> To provide a contrasting view, as an
> NU alum, I can relate far more to Duke than to Wisconsin.
> Doesn't Duke basketball represent what we wish we could
> become in that sport? - Jim B.

Perhaps back in the '80s, when they were the little underdog who could, with their amazing Final Four runs year after year by players who might not be NBA stars but hustled, were smart and played well as a team.

But around the mid '90s, the Dookies became "the Man" in college basketball -- the Yankees, the Domers, etc. It was kind of like the Red Sox' World Series, winning it all took away their charm and turned Duke into "one of them." It didn't help that Laettner was the college hoops version of Tebow, but with a mean streak.:)

But what really turned it for me seemed to be the class with Brand, Maggette, etc. After that, Duke was just another hoops factory with one-and-done players who really weren't student athletes anymore (exceptions like Battier aside), a coach who took on Dean Smith's mantle as the whiner clinging to the ref to get calls every game and arrogant fans. Coach K became a bit full of himself, running up the score (he often leaves his starters in waaaay after games are over and thus fails to develop a bench ... which hurts at tourney time). The Crazies became the Cockies and the Duke of old was now Dook.

They have been humbled a bit in recent years with a Final Four and title drought (by their terms) and the resurgence of Carolina and have become a team of three-point preppies without much inside presence.

I'm not saying I agree with all of that - but if they were a politician, people would say that Duke has much higher "negatives" now than they did in the 80s and even early 90s. They're still a great program and Coach K is still the Wooden of today, but they're not as likable.

So it's fun to see a Big Ten team that in many ways resembles what Duke of the 80s was like Wisconsin beat them.

And it's even more fun to see ACC fans silenced a bit with the hoops season under way. It would be like watching a college football season where the SEC wasn't a factor in the title game and John Saunders and the Mimbo were talking about how down the SEC was. One can hope!:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!



      

From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Dec  4 09:57:17 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec  4 09:57:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] All ND, all the Time
Message-ID: <8CC431196BE0C48-5A64-5DC6@webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com>


In a rather embarrasing display, the Sun-Times Sports section has shifted more in the direction of the South Bend Tribune - printing as much ND 'news' as possible - even when there is not much news to print.

Over the last 10 days, from Wed 11/25 to Friday 12/4, including ND's last loss (to Stanford) and Weis' firing, the Sun-Times has put out 23 stories, including several columns by Hayes, Hanley and our old friend Mr O'Donnell.  Today's slate included a non-story that Phil Fullmer would like the job...

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/1920520,CST-SPT-nd04.article

Does anybody really care that Tom Lemming thinks that Phil Fullmer wants it ?  This is news ?

Most telling has been their survey, 'CAST YOUR VOTE  Notre Dame should hire?'.  I voted Monday, about 9am, just to see the results.  767 votes cast, Kelly was in first (197 votes, 25%).  Fitz was in 6th (of 8), with 59 votes (7%).

This morning, the poll was still out there, so I voted again, about 9am.  2111 votes cast, Kelly still in first, 699 votes, 33%.  Fitz was now in 5th (behind Kelly, Dungy, Meyer, Stoops) with 188 votes (8%).  So in 4 days of lobbing 2.3 stories a day at its readers, the Sun-Times managed to cajole an incredible 338 readers per day into expressing their opinion.

Either the ND coach search is less interesting to the paper's readers than to its sports staff, or not too many are availing themselves of the on-line edition.

Interesting also (though I am certain he is far too loyal and smart to ever want the job), Fitz is the highest vote-getter besides the consensus choice, and 3 men who have denied any interest whatsoever.  So has Fitz, to the Tribune, I believe, and so has #6, Kirk Ferentz.

A lot of wasted newsprint for a job that 5 of the top 6 voting candidates have expressed almost zero interst in.

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

 
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Dec  4 10:11:50 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec  4 10:12:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] All ND, all the Time
Message-ID: <c56.6af8b9c6.384a8ec6@aol.com>

Well that is nothing new but at least Telender ripped ol N*D* a new one in  
his last couple columns
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  4 22:39:09 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Dec  4 22:39:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] All ND, all the Time
In-Reply-To: <c56.6af8b9c6.384a8ec6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <118741.26940.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Another non-story today about the F'ing Irish declining a bowl invitation they have yet to receive.

I guess they're not quite over that arrogance yet that three mediocre regimes have yet to humble them. So they'll chase Stoops, St. Urban and Dungy, settle for someone else and run them out of town in four years. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Hopefully next week the Sun-Times, Tribune and the rest of Chicago media can turn their focus to more successful football teams in the region who WILL be playing in bowl games. 

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Fri Dec  4 23:05:08 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Fri Dec  4 23:05:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] All ND, all the Time
Message-ID: <10824523.1259989508858.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

I think that ND declining a bowl bid is a big story. It is big because ND, in its arrogance, believes it is in such  "unique" situation (with their having a coaching vacancy) that playing in a bowl is not so important to them this year. Well, guess what? Other teams have had similar, not-so-unique circumstances. In 2002, UCLA fired Bob Toledo right after the last game of the regular season. They went to the Las Vegas Bowl, with an interim coach, and won the game.

But the ND story is a big one for another reason. Turning down a bowl game is bad for business: the business of the student-athlete who wants to play one more game; who yearns to play in a bowl game; and for the parents of such players. Here's another analogy involving UCLA. In 2001, the Bruins started the season strong with a number of wins. Then, they slumped and finished 7-4. The only bowl that sent them an invitation was the Humanitarian Bowl. The Bruins turned down the bid. After that decision, a number of potential recruits turned their backs on UCLA, many of them commenting that they didn't want to go to a school that would turn down a bid to a bowl game.

Jim B.

-----Original Message-----
>From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 4, 2009 11:39 PM
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All ND, all the Time
>
>Another non-story today about the F'ing Irish declining a bowl invitation they have yet to receive.
>
>I guess they're not quite over that arrogance yet that three mediocre regimes have yet to humble them. So they'll chase Stoops, St. Urban and Dungy, settle for someone else and run them out of town in four years. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
>
>Hopefully next week the Sun-Times, Tribune and the rest of Chicago media can turn their focus to more successful football teams in the region who WILL be playing in bowl games. 
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Fri Dec  4 23:28:49 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Fri Dec  4 23:28:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] All ND, all the Time
In-Reply-To: <10824523.1259989508858.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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Not that I particularly care to extend a discussion about ND, there is quite
enough of that in the Chicago media.  However, to echo Jim's point, the
folks at ESPN surprisingly stopped their fawning over ND long enough today
to criticize them severely for turning down the bowl bid that the players
would likely have wanted to take.  The talking heads (not including Holtz)
emphasized the good times the kids would have and the lasting memories of
playing in a bowl game.  I guess playing on NBC every Saturday will have to
suffice.

Sure, Detroit may not be everyone's idea of the ideal December vacation
spot, but bowl committees go out of their way to insure that the players
have a good time, arranging a week full of activities for them beyond just
the game.  It's an experience that I know the kids enjoy even at the "minor"
bowls in less desirable destinations.  I have heard as much from Louisville
players, back when there was a coach who actually took teams to bowl games.

Mark

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On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 12:05 AM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:

> I think that ND declining a bowl bid is a big story. It is big because ND,
> in its arrogance, believes it is in such  "unique" situation (with their
> having a coaching vacancy) that playing in a bowl is not so important to
> them this year. Well, guess what? Other teams have had similar,
> not-so-unique circumstances. In 2002, UCLA fired Bob Toledo right after the
> last game of the regular season. They went to the Las Vegas Bowl, with an
> interim coach, and won the game.
>
> But the ND story is a big one for another reason. Turning down a bowl game
> is bad for business: the business of the student-athlete who wants to play
> one more game; who yearns to play in a bowl game; and for the parents of
> such players. Here's another analogy involving UCLA. In 2001, the Bruins
> started the season strong with a number of wins. Then, they slumped and
> finished 7-4. The only bowl that sent them an invitation was the
> Humanitarian Bowl. The Bruins turned down the bid. After that decision, a
> number of potential recruits turned their backs on UCLA, many of them
> commenting that they didn't want to go to a school that would turn down a
> bid to a bowl game.
>
> Jim B.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> >Sent: Dec 4, 2009 11:39 PM
> >To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> >Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All ND, all the Time
> >
> >Another non-story today about the F'ing Irish declining a bowl invitation
> they have yet to receive.
> >
> >I guess they're not quite over that arrogance yet that three mediocre
> regimes have yet to humble them. So they'll chase Stoops, St. Urban and
> Dungy, settle for someone else and run them out of town in four years. Wash.
> Rinse. Repeat.
> >
> >Hopefully next week the Sun-Times, Tribune and the rest of Chicago media
> can turn their focus to more successful football teams in the region who
> WILL be playing in bowl games.
> >
> >GO CATS!!!
> >-SjT
>
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Dec  5 09:09:17 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec  5 09:14:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports]
Message-ID: <869897379-1260026083-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1144421533-@bda199.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Are there any sceanrios that NU could go bowling other than the Champs or Outback ?

Harry
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Well that is nothing new but at least Telender ripped ol N*D* a new one in  
his last couple columns
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Dec  5 09:29:40 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Dec  5 09:29:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports]
Message-ID: <200912051529.nB5FTelv005450@romaine.tssi.com>

> Are there any sceanrios that NU could go bowling other than the Champs or Outback ?

Probably not any positive ones, though I suppose we could get snubbed by BOTH bowls
and drop down the list.
--
Mike Nolan

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Dec  5 11:31:03 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec  5 11:29:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports]
Message-ID: <bce.575271b3.384bf2d7@aol.com>

Maybe back to the Alamo, one friend told me NU was going to the champs,  
another said it was Sparty.
Stay tuned.
From johnl at mac.com  Sat Dec  5 14:17:02 2009
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Sat Dec  5 14:17:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports]
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Hold on a second.  The only way we could get snubbed by both the Outback and the Champs is if the Big Ten does not get 2 teams into the BCS.  In that event, we could fall to the Alamo, but no lower, and it's generally expected that the Champs would still pick us.

If we get two teams in the BCS, the Outback will have to choose between NU and Wisconsin.  If they don't select us, the Champs will be forced to select us.  They are obligated to choose the best remaining team or a team within 1 win/loss of the best remaining team.  The next best Big Ten team is 6-6, so they would have to choose us.

If we don't get two teams in the BCS, then the Outback will go to either Iowa or Penn State (whichever team the Cap One bowl does not select).  Then the Champs will have to select either NU or Wisconsin.  Since Wisconsin was in the Champs last year, and in Orlando 3 of the past 4 years, it's thought that the Champs would pick NU.  But if not, we would fall to the Alamo, but no lower.

The selection rules are complicated, and each bowl lives by different rules based on their deal with the Big Ten, so there are some other scenarios you could imagine, but these are the most likely scenarios.

This post from last year provides some interesting details on some of the selection rules:
http://sports.wnur.org/?p=486

 
On Saturday, December 05, 2009, at 11:31AM, <MHRJGScott@aol.com> wrote:
>Maybe back to the Alamo, one friend told me NU was going to the champs,  
>another said it was Sparty.
>Stay tuned.
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From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Dec  5 15:01:05 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat Dec  5 15:01:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ill-whine-i lose...as only they could
Message-ID: <5E26CC37-6E7A-4DFC-B06D-2632A61D50C9@me.com>

Did anyone else see that finish?! 

And how about DiNardo saying he was "really impressed with how well Illinois played on both sides of the ball". Huh? 53 points! Both sides of the ball?!?!?

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Dec  5 15:03:39 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat Dec  5 15:04:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Ill-whine-i lose...as only they could
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30105AB05@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Might be wildest play I've ever seen.  Don't want to spoil it for those who haven't seen it - - you MUST catch the decisive play in Fresno St-Ill game.  

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
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Did anyone else see that finish?!

And how about DiNardo saying he was "really impressed with how well Illinois played on both sides of the ball". Huh? 53 points! Both sides of the ball?!?!?

Jason Singer
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  5 15:23:16 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Dec  5 15:23:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Morning report ...
Message-ID: <429224.28829.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well, no NU game today, but still worth getting up for some exciting (if sloppy and defense-less) football!

Big Ten first with our question of the day: If a thrilling game is played and nobody cares, does Zook still get fired?

Fun game to watch to be sure, but really not much meaning and not many folks fired up. Still, the thrilling finish had to help the Big Ten Network's ratings, which were already up big this season. If Zooker is still on the sidelines next year, it's only because of apathy on the part of the U of I.

As for the national scene ...

For all the talk about the "antiquated" Big Ten needing a conference title game, I'll put Iowa-OSU, OSU-Oregon and Pitt-Cincy up against any and all of the other three B(C)S leagues and their "championship" staged events. 

Great emotion in Pittsburgh despite a sloppy game and some unusually sloppy calls by the Big Least refs ... the Panthers had the formula early but didn't stick with it and tried their hand at a shootout only to get burned. That's our Wanny!

ECU stuck to the script on how to beat a team with all O and no D better and should have finally ridded us of the joke of Houston (who gave up 600 points to UTEP!) in the Top 25.

As for Kelley, he looks like a perfect fit for Notre Dame -- an offensive wizard whose teams play no defense. If they had played in a real league (Pitt - who lost to NC State and West Virginia was by far their toughest foe), they'd be 8-4 at best. They'll be fed to the wolves against the SEC runner-up in New Orleans.

The only big effect for the Big Ten is that PSU is almost certainly out of the B(C)S now. A Pitt-PSU game in the Fiesta might have drawn more interest than their other options, but now they'll just take Iowa and their RVs and hope to fill half the stands.

So a good opening act - now a four-hour love letter to Tim Tebow also known as SEC football on CBS. I really don't care to cheer for either St. Sanctimonious or that weasel Saban, but it should be a good game.

Then the ACC snoozer and Wisky's risky trip to Hawaii, which could influence our bowl selection.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Dec  5 15:32:48 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat Dec  5 15:33:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Morning report ...
In-Reply-To: <429224.28829.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <429224.28829.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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=No one's mentioned this but if Nebraska beats Texas, Iowa is out of a BCS game, correct?

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



On Dec 5, 2009, at 1:23 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

> Well, no NU game today, but still worth getting up for some exciting (if sloppy and defense-less) football!
> 
> Big Ten first with our question of the day: If a thrilling game is played and nobody cares, does Zook still get fired?
> 
> Fun game to watch to be sure, but really not much meaning and not many folks fired up. Still, the thrilling finish had to help the Big Ten Network's ratings, which were already up big this season. If Zooker is still on the sidelines next year, it's only because of apathy on the part of the U of I.
> 
> As for the national scene ...
> 
> For all the talk about the "antiquated" Big Ten needing a conference title game, I'll put Iowa-OSU, OSU-Oregon and Pitt-Cincy up against any and all of the other three B(C)S leagues and their "championship" staged events. 
> 
> Great emotion in Pittsburgh despite a sloppy game and some unusually sloppy calls by the Big Least refs ... the Panthers had the formula early but didn't stick with it and tried their hand at a shootout only to get burned. That's our Wanny!
> 
> ECU stuck to the script on how to beat a team with all O and no D better and should have finally ridded us of the joke of Houston (who gave up 600 points to UTEP!) in the Top 25.
> 
> As for Kelley, he looks like a perfect fit for Notre Dame -- an offensive wizard whose teams play no defense. If they had played in a real league (Pitt - who lost to NC State and West Virginia was by far their toughest foe), they'd be 8-4 at best. They'll be fed to the wolves against the SEC runner-up in New Orleans.
> 
> The only big effect for the Big Ten is that PSU is almost certainly out of the B(C)S now. A Pitt-PSU game in the Fiesta might have drawn more interest than their other options, but now they'll just take Iowa and their RVs and hope to fill half the stands.
> 
> So a good opening act - now a four-hour love letter to Tim Tebow also known as SEC football on CBS. I really don't care to cheer for either St. Sanctimonious or that weasel Saban, but it should be a good game.
> 
> Then the ACC snoozer and Wisky's risky trip to Hawaii, which could influence our bowl selection.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
> 
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 15:40:36 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sat Dec  5 15:41:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Morning report ...
In-Reply-To: <1B1576E7-5336-41D8-9B31-F22478650B05@me.com>
References: <429224.28829.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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=No one's mentioned this but if Nebraska beats Texas, Iowa is out of a BCS
> game, correct?
>
>
For one, the BCS bowls are not totally decided on Iowa over PSU.  I think
Iowa will get the nod over them since they are more deserving and have
plenty of fans to fill up the stadium, but even that's not cleared up.

If Texas gets upset (giving Nebraska the automatic bid with Texas stealing
one of the available BCS bids) the team that will be left out is likely
Boise State.  Expect the Big Ten to get one of the available at-large bids
to the BCS no matter what happens the rest of today.  There is a very small
chance that a BCS bowl would select Boise State over either Iowa or PSU in
that scenario (note their stadium capacity is 33,500).

Anyways I'm glad that this bowl selection circus will all be over by
tomorrow evening and we can all hit the travel sites.

Jonathan
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  5 15:43:08 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Dec  5 15:43:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Morning report ...
In-Reply-To: <1B1576E7-5336-41D8-9B31-F22478650B05@me.com>
Message-ID: <168509.60702.qm@web52901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I would think if Nebraska wins, it would be Boise State out. You'd have ...

Title: Florida vs. TCU
Rose: Ohio State vs. Oregon
Orange: Texas vs. GaTech
Sugar: Alabama vs. Cincinnati
Fiesta: Nebraska vs. Iowa

They'd get some heat, but Iowa fills more seats. I think the Big Ten is pretty set at two right now, especially with three teams likely to be in the top 10 to finish the season and all the ratings/ticket buyers we have.

The Big East and Big XII will certainly not have anyone else in the top 14 after today - so it's really between the ACC, Big Ten and Boise State for the two extra bids, barring upsets in the title games. The only wild card would be if USC might sneak in with losses by teams like Pitt.

What is it with missed PATs today??? Ugh Bama!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Dec  5 16:39:17 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat Dec  5 16:40:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Poll
Message-ID: <DAF897D3-27EB-4CB2-90BD-904F8C9A6D69@me.com>

BTW, we're up to 31%
Wisconsin 21%
Penn State 20%

http://www.outbackbowl.com

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  5 17:46:11 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Dec  5 17:46:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The wicked witch of the west ...
Message-ID: <473925.21979.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

... is dead.

First, Oregon just ran over USC in Autzen and the mystique took a hit.

Then, lifeless ASU nearly beat the mighty Trojans.

Then, Stanford walked into the Coliseum and walked over king of the castle SC.

Now, Arizona just went into Los Angeles with a possible B(C)S or at least a Holiday Bowl bid at stake and didn't back down to the maroon and gold.

I wonder if SC will decline a minor bowl bid like their counterparts in South Bend.:)

Whatever the case, somewhere around midseason, the team stopped improving and foes stopped just bowing down whenever the Trojan band and that blasted three-note song started playing.

I'm sure Southern Cal will be back with their recruits, but I think the aura is a bit gone and the Pac 10 teams aren't afraid to challenge them anymore. Should make the already tough, deep and underrated Pac 10 an even better conference.

But for the rest of us who remember the arrogance of John Robinson and the Men of Troy, it's fun to look at the standings and see ...

Northwestern: 8-4 / 5-3
Southern Cal: 8-4 / 5-4

Back to the SEC ... can Nick the Slick's gang keep it up in the fourth?

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Dec  5 17:47:15 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat Dec  5 17:47:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] As a Cat fan in L.A. let me just say...
Message-ID: <A8D20437-A969-4B1D-AE03-F945AF8D29F0@me.com>

...how AWESOME it is to have the same final regular season record as USC!!! Way to go 'Zona!

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  5 21:41:16 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Dec  5 21:41:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Late afternoon report ...
Message-ID: <994129.32487.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Glad to see Bama shut down the Gatorthugs - they finally looked impressive and really exposed the Gators, who really had only one tough test this year at LSU.

This Big XII game is a heck of a defensive struggle ... I have no idea how Nebraska lost earlier this year to Iowa State and such, but Suh and that D are incredible. Texas looked so explosive last week and is fizzling this week.

Should the Huskers get a break and win, I wonder what would happen -- TCU and Boise have strong claims (TCU looks like the most complete team outside of Bama and Boise has the biggest win of the unbeatens outside of Bama), but I have a bad feeling it might be Florida back there. Hopefully no Cincy, as they really looked bad their last three games. Even if Texas holds on, I think TCU and Boise have legit claims.

As for our ACC game, it looks like GaTech is pulling away and the Bowden Plan will be complete. It will be interesting to see who the Champs Bowl goes with ... Miami has the name and the in-state cache, but Clemson probably fills more seats. Either way, we'd have a tough task. Of course, we could cheer for Hawaii tonight and hope for Tampa.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  5 22:16:11 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Dec  5 22:16:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Oops, looks like I buried Clemson too early ...
Message-ID: <779735.94340.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Nice comeback by the Tigers.

And a defensive thrillah in Big D!

Whoda thunk that of the six B(C)S conference "title games," it would be the 1 vs. 2 SEC game that would be the dud. The rest have been as close as can be!

Clemson would screw up NU's bowl opponent in Orlando - and likely shuffle the B(C)S order to avoid a TCU-Clemson rematch in Miami. Iowa still would look good for a bid, though.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From artmiller_news at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  5 22:41:06 2009
From: artmiller_news at yahoo.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Sat Dec  5 22:41:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] You gotta love college football
Message-ID: <404801.64317.qm@web113814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Man oh man, what an amazing day of football.  I wasn't even rooting for anyone in particular, just enjoying the awesome spectacle that it is.


      

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  5 22:57:45 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Dec  5 22:57:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] You gotta love college football
In-Reply-To: <404801.64317.qm@web113814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <834729.84766.qm@web52901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Indeed - a terrific weekend of football, starting with the Civil War and ending with Nebraska-Texas and GaTech-Clemson.

I know it will be Bama-Texas, two tradition-rich programs and a big game, but you gotta feel for TCU, Cincy and Boise ... they had to be hanging on edge with that last kick and hoping McCoy lofted that pass just a bit more. Suh and the Husker D were just amazing.

Looks like Bucky's ready to pound it, so unless the good ole' Hawaii refs get flag happy, Wisconsin should win this one.

The last guess before tomorrow ...

BCS: Alabama vs. Texas - Big names, big stars and a big game
ROSE: Ohio State vs. Oregon - Two best bowls in Pasadena this year
SUGAR: Florida vs. Cincy - Loser has to go to South Bend?
ORANGE: Georgia Tech vs. TCU - Great coaching battle
FIESTA: Iowa vs. Boise State - Another nice coaching matchup
===
CITRUS: LSU vs. Penn State - First one to score wins?
OUTBACK: Wisconsin vs. Auburn - Lots of offense here
CHAMPS: Northwestern vs. Clemson - We gotta stop that RB of theirs
ALAMO: Michigan State vs. Texas Tech - Could be a fun shootout
INSIGHT: Minnesota vs. Missouri - Will the Gophers show up?

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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--- On Sat, 12/5/09, Arthur Miller <artmiller_news@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Arthur Miller <artmiller_news@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] You gotta love college football
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 9:41 PM
> Man oh man, what an amazing day of
> football.? I wasn't even rooting for anyone in
> particular, just enjoying the awesome spectacle that it is.
> 
> 
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Dec  5 22:58:35 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec  5 22:58:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] You gotta love college football
Message-ID: <c43.55ef02b4.384c93fb@aol.com>

Exactly my thoughts although I kind of wanted Florida to win, Tebow with  
the holy roller stuff and Urban can be hard to take, but they were very 
gracious  in defeat to a fine Bama bunch, I would have loved to see Texas go down 
for Mike  and caos in the bcs but that's why they play the game. On to bowl 
selection, GO  CATS!!!
Puleeese come to Florida.
From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Dec  6 09:21:01 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun Dec  6 09:21:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] You gotta love college football
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Nebraska played an incredible game. Nobody gave them a chance, yet  
they had a plan and stuck with it. They knew their defense had the  
ability to shut Tx down. They also knew that they had the ability to  
score points with special teams. They just had to play field position  
football and not make mistakes. They came within one freshman pass  
interference call of pulling it off.

Hats off to Tx too  They knew they were in a fight for their lives.  
They got up off the mat and scored when they had to.  The won the  
right to play in the nc game fair and square.

Don't know if we will see a better game this year or a team playing  
with more heart than nebraska.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 5, 2009, at 11:59 PM, "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)"  
<sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Indeed - a terrific weekend of football, starting with the Civil War  
> and ending with Nebraska-Texas and GaTech-Clemson.
>
> I know it will be Bama-Texas, two tradition-rich programs and a big  
> game, but you gotta feel for TCU, Cincy and Boise ... they had to be  
> hanging on edge with that last kick and hoping McCoy lofted that  
> pass just a bit more. Suh and the Husker D were just amazing.
>
> Looks like Bucky's ready to pound it, so unless the good ole' Hawaii  
> refs get flag happy, Wisconsin should win this one.
>
> The last guess before tomorrow ...
>
> BCS: Alabama vs. Texas - Big names, big stars and a big game
> ROSE: Ohio State vs. Oregon - Two best bowls in Pasadena this year
> SUGAR: Florida vs. Cincy - Loser has to go to South Bend?
> ORANGE: Georgia Tech vs. TCU - Great coaching battle
> FIESTA: Iowa vs. Boise State - Another nice coaching matchup
> ===
> CITRUS: LSU vs. Penn State - First one to score wins?
> OUTBACK: Wisconsin vs. Auburn - Lots of offense here
> CHAMPS: Northwestern vs. Clemson - We gotta stop that RB of theirs
> ALAMO: Michigan State vs. Texas Tech - Could be a fun shootout
> INSIGHT: Minnesota vs. Missouri - Will the Gophers show up?
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
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>
>
> --- On Sat, 12/5/09, Arthur Miller <artmiller_news@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Arthur Miller <artmiller_news@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: [NU Sports] You gotta love college football
> > To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 9:41 PM
> > Man oh man, what an amazing day of
> > football.  I wasn't even rooting for anyone in
> > particular, just enjoying the awesome spectacle that it is.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Dec  6 10:38:10 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Dec  6 10:38:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] You gotta love college football
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<Don't know if we will see a better game this year [Neb v. Texas] or a team 
playing with more heart than nebraska.

And let's hope we don't have to play them in a bowl game, or we'll see a 
repeat of 2000.  Clemson is worrisome enough. 

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  6 11:46:55 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Dec  6 11:47:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Hmmmm ...
Message-ID: <74378.35785.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Several sites this morning, including NU alum Stewart Mandel, seem to think the Fiesta will (in a nice move) pair up Boise State and TCU in a battle of unbeatens instead of trying to fill seats with Iowa.

This would put the Big Ten's #2 in the BCS headed for Miami -- which could favor Penn State.

Everyone seems to have us against the Canes. It'd be a nice bowl win against a big name if we can overcome the helmet logo and speed.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Dec  6 16:42:02 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun Dec  6 16:43:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU in Outback Bowl New Year's Day
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301357E6B@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.outbackbowl.com/

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sun Dec  6 17:05:37 2009
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (J.R. McCullough)
Date: Sun Dec  6 17:05:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU in Outback Bowl New Year's Day
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Wow -- never thought it would happen. Who can break down this match-up for 
us?

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> http://www.outbackbowl.com/
>
>>From Blackberry - please excuse typos
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  6 17:28:45 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Dec  6 17:28:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU in Outback Bowl New Year's Day
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Color me FLABBERGASTED!
Color me ECSTATIC!

I guess that makes up for last year! :)

Woohoo!!!

Should be an interesting matchup as Auburn looked darn good against Bama and has a high-powered offense. Hopefully we can get healthy and get the win!

I'm purple with pride! BIG kudos to Fitz and our new AD for lobbying hard to make our case to the folks in Tampa.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Sun Dec  6 17:36:57 2009
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  6 17:37:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU in Outback Bowl New Year's Day
Message-ID: <272f.2a085622.384d9a19@aol.com>

I just bought 2 tickets section 108 (about the 15 yard line) row 3 at stub  
hub for $180 each, I think Auburn will bring a lot of people, I am sorry 
you all  are not coming to Orlando but the stadium in Tampa is 50 times better 
and the  beaches are much closer.  My advice is to stay out on Clearwater 
or St Pete  beach about 30 minutes from the stadium, Don Cesar for the rich, 
Tradewinds (2  choices) for moderate and families, and Sirata for a bargain. 
 If you do a  name your own price on priceline you can usually get Cesar or 
Tradewinds for  $100, Sirata for less. plus a sneaky $25 per day "resort 
fee"
p.s. don't wear anything that says Alabama
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  6 17:51:58 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Dec  6 17:52:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback surprise ...
Message-ID: <97173.62198.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Well, this is an unexpected topic. It still hasn't hit me yet.

But with a few minutes to calm down, a few things stand out ...

1) This is our first New Year's Day bowl since the Citrus in 1996-97 -- that's a big step for our program and Coach Fitzgerald. It's the big bowl to kick off bowl day - it has a national audience for the first half at least and leads into the Big Ten's Citrus game and the Granddaddy. It's a HUGE step up in exposure from the Champs or Alamo.

2) The lobbying effort by Phillips and Fitz must have been downright Herculean ... the Badgers were just at the Champs last year, were 9-3 and ranked, plus they have a tradition of traveling well. Granted we beat 'em, but we beat Iowa last year and tied for the league title in 2000, so I wasn't even thinking it was an option.

3) This makes the Wisconsin win all the more sweet - boy will the cheeseheads be steamed by this one. If you read the Hawaii game article on jsonline.com, they seemed sure a big win put them in Tampa.

Should be fun to watch the message boards ... Wisconsin's already starting to fume and Auburn's scratching their heads about who exactly Northwestern is and how both of us are surprising choices.

HAPPY NU YEAR!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Sun Dec  6 18:08:52 2009
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  6 18:09:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback surprise ...
Message-ID: <3f22.459db45c.384da194@aol.com>

Fun indeed, of course curdheads from Wisconsin are always unhappy and  the 
rednecks from Auburn scratch a lot of places, being well known for the  
lowest academic standards in the SEC.  As Alabama fans say "hate Auburn  early, 
beat the rush"
 
 
Should be fun to watch the message boards ... Wisconsin's already starting  
to fume and Auburn's scratching their heads about who exactly Northwestern 
is  and how both of us are surprising choices.

From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Dec  6 18:34:18 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  6 18:35:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback surprise ...
In-Reply-To: <3f22.459db45c.384da194@aol.com>
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 Like everyone else, I am in shock--a happy shock.:-)  I figured that by crushing Hawaii the Badgers had locked up the Outback, but, as noted, Jim Phillips and Fitz really argued our case well.  I told everyone I was impressed with Phillips when he came to Sports Night in NY some time ago.  He is dynamic and forward-looking, and I think he gets the economics angle better than many AD's.

I will see y'all in Tampa.   The 'Cats have to now hold the (Auburn) Tigers by the tail.  If we can somehow manage to beat a storied SEC team like Auburn, and win our first bowl in 60 years, it would be monumental.  The key is to be healthy and for our "D" to continue to stop the run, like they did vs. Bucky.  Auburn has always been a rushing power.  Also, Auburn may not be that familiar with a spread attack and hurry-up offense like we have with Kafka.  Hopefully we can pile up some yardage, move the sticks and rack up some points.   Anybody know whether Brendan Smith will be back for the game?

Paul Levinson

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: mhrjgscott@aol.com
To: sjtruog@yahoo.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, Dec 6, 2009 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Outback surprise ...


Fun indeed, of course curdheads from Wisconsin are always unhappy and  the 
rednecks from Auburn scratch a lot of places, being well known for the  
lowest academic standards in the SEC.  As Alabama fans say "hate Auburn  early, 
beat the rush"
 
 
Should be fun to watch the message boards ... Wisconsin's already starting  
to fume and Auburn's scratching their heads about who exactly Northwestern 
is  and how both of us are surprising choices.

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Dec  6 19:31:15 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  6 19:31:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] hotels
Message-ID: <c56.6b38f4be.384db4e3@aol.com>

I checked my usual places in St. Pete beach and most want 2 nights like the 
 Tradewinds, I go over there 2 or 3 times a year for a long weekend, it is 
still  worth $200 a night for the best urban beach in America, but if you 
want to stay  in Tampa look for the area around the convention center, 
Aquarium, etc, known as  waterside, the Marriot is the big hotel but there are 
others. Avoid Ybor city  except for the Columbia restaurant, Westshore is OK but 
out on a peninsula and  away from the scene.  Best restaurant in town is 
Berns steakhouse, or side  Berns next door. For tickets, do a google search 
for Raymond James stadium  seating charts and you get 10 different ticket 
brokers, all asking $100 - $200  for front row seats on our side.
From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sun Dec  6 19:47:54 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sun Dec  6 19:48:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] hotels
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Message-ID: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA02D317A2@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Thanks for all the great recommendations.
 
As far as tickets, shouldn't we be buying through NU to make sure that NU's allotment gets sold?
 
Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of MHRJGScott@aol.com
Sent: Sun 12/6/2009 8:31 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] hotels



I checked my usual places in St. Pete beach and most want 2 nights like the
 Tradewinds, I go over there 2 or 3 times a year for a long weekend, it is
still  worth $200 a night for the best urban beach in America, but if you
want to stay  in Tampa look for the area around the convention center,
Aquarium, etc, known as  waterside, the Marriot is the big hotel but there are
others. Avoid Ybor city  except for the Columbia restaurant, Westshore is OK but
out on a peninsula and  away from the scene.  Best restaurant in town is
Berns steakhouse, or side  Berns next door. For tickets, do a google search
for Raymond James stadium  seating charts and you get 10 different ticket
brokers, all asking $100 - $200  for front row seats on our side.
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From jintsjason at me.com  Sun Dec  6 19:50:10 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sun Dec  6 19:50:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] hotels
In-Reply-To: <c56.6b38f4be.384db4e3@aol.com>
References: <c56.6b38f4be.384db4e3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A86783C0-BC7C-4414-8D55-370DE96B8A27@me.com>

I never avoid Ybor City...then again, I'm single and enjoy an hour or two at Scarlett's.  But no, probably not a good idea to actually stay there. ;)

And, again, I'm single, but the best steak I've had in Tampa, better than Bern's, better than Ruth's Chris, is at the Penthouse Club. 

All bachelorhood aside, if you have the dough, Longboat Key is only 45 minutes away and there are some great resorts along the Key and neighboring Sarasota is a great city.

Cheers!

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



On Dec 6, 2009, at 5:31 PM, MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:

> I checked my usual places in St. Pete beach and most want 2 nights like the 
> Tradewinds, I go over there 2 or 3 times a year for a long weekend, it is 
> still  worth $200 a night for the best urban beach in America, but if you 
> want to stay  in Tampa look for the area around the convention center, 
> Aquarium, etc, known as  waterside, the Marriot is the big hotel but there are 
> others. Avoid Ybor city  except for the Columbia restaurant, Westshore is OK but 
> out on a peninsula and  away from the scene.  Best restaurant in town is 
> Berns steakhouse, or side  Berns next door. For tickets, do a google search 
> for Raymond James stadium  seating charts and you get 10 different ticket 
> brokers, all asking $100 - $200  for front row seats on our side.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  6 19:51:50 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Dec  6 19:51:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowls ...
Message-ID: <548352.98601.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

A nice year of matchups for our league overall, and some nice surprises (thank you, Outback!). Looking down the line ...

ROSE: Ohio State vs. Oregon
- Two strong teams playing much better in November than they did in September. OSU will probably be the underdog, but the stands will be packed as both schools will be excited to return after a decade or so. Love the Ducks' O, love the Bucks' D ... the difference may be Tressel, who's coached in the big games before.

ORANGE: Iowa vs. Georgia Tech
- Another O vs. D matchup that looks to give the Big Ten a fighting chance - also two top-notch coaches. Will be interesting to see how healthy Iowa will be coming in -- they can't get behind, but if it's a slugfest, the Hawks excel in those close games.

CITRUS: Penn State vs. LSU
- This one's all D, as both offenses have been sputtering at best this year. Not sure how pumped up either team will be, as both had bigger expectations midway through the season. However, PSU finally put together a complete game against MSU and if they don't mess up on special teams, have a good shot here.

OUTBACK: Northwestern vs. Auburn
- The surprise matchup of the season, as the Outback folk decided to nix the typical Badgers/Vols clash for two teams who have had ups and downs, but can light up the scoreboard. Two hot young coaches with inventive schemes, so it should be a back-and-forth tussle and depends on NU's health and which Tiger team shows up -- the Bama barnbusters, or the midseason slumpers.

CHAMPS: Wisconsin vs. Miami
- The old power vs. speed matchup. It didn't work out so well for Bucky last year against FSU, but the offense is a lot better this year. They'll get torched by the Canes' speed a few times if Miami shows up to play, but as long as Wisconsin sticks with pounding it and doesn't fall behind early, they have a pretty good shot as well.

ALAMO: Michigan State vs. Texas Tech
- This could have been a heck of a game last year and both teams come in with mild disappointment this year ... though Tech had some nice wins down the stretch (along with some puzzling defeats). Sparty is really hungry for a bowl win, but will have to play their best game of the year to keep up with the Red Raiders.

INSIGHT: Minnesota vs. Iowa State
- Hard to see much enthusiasm for this game out here ... I'd rather see my purple passion battle of NU/KSU, but I guess I'll take January 1. :) If the Gophers show up, they should be the favorites here, but if they lay an egg like they usually do after October, it could be an ugly battle much like the Minny-Iowa game.

So there we have it -- I think we'll be favorites probably only in the Insight, but we should be big underdogs only in San Antonio. The other games all are right there for the Big Ten to win. Hopefully the league has some hunger after last year and -- like our basketball brethren -- go out and earn some league respect this postseason with big wins.

GO BIG TEN!!!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Interesting side note for the BCS - is this the first year ever that all 10 (or all 8 in the old days) slots have been filled by the top 10 (top 8) in the final standings? Nice job there ... if only they were being used as SEEDINGS!;)


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  6 19:57:09 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Dec  6 19:57:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Nice mini-column on Outback bid ...
Message-ID: <856188.23756.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Not much on our bid from the Trib or Sun-Times (yet more and more ND stories -- OMG! Did you hear what Charlie said about Pete??? Gossip Gossip Gossip! Rumors Rumors Rumors, Stoops, yadda yadda yadda).

However, ESPNChicago has a nice little mini-column about AD Phillips' efforts. This is indeed a big score for NU!

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/7886/northwestern-headed-to-the-outback-bowl

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Dec  6 20:08:13 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  6 20:08:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] hotels
Message-ID: <bdc.5da6555d.384dbd8d@aol.com>

correct in that longboat is quieter, restaurants and shops  are better,  
but the beach is not as nice as St  Pete.
From jintsjason at me.com  Sun Dec  6 20:15:48 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sun Dec  6 20:16:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] hotels
In-Reply-To: <bdc.5da6555d.384dbd8d@aol.com>
References: <bdc.5da6555d.384dbd8d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0808A5A8-97A6-4868-A188-5964B8D3112D@me.com>

Alas, unless someone has a bunch of miles to give me for Hanukah, I cannot afford the trip this year. Lowest price to anywhere close from LA is $700. Just as well, they've lost every bowl game I've gone to, so maybe I'm the problem. 

On second thought they've lost every bowl game you have all gone to, as well. NOBODY GO!!!

Cheers!

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Dec  6 20:42:46 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  6 20:42:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] hotels
Message-ID: <cef.68e8038b.384dc5a6@aol.com>

Oy, so hitchike, could it be so bad, please son it is not your fault. We  
are going to win this one, life is short, as Woody Allen said "life is 80% 
just  showing up" Show up.
From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Dec  6 20:55:49 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Dec  6 20:56:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tampa hotels, q's re cars, taxis, comment re tickets
Message-ID: <1855484.1260154549855.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Thanks for the tips. I made a reservation at the Tampa Marriott Waterside; might change it to the team hotel, depending on price and availability, not to mention my own availability to fly out. 

If one stays in the downtown area, does one need a car to get around, incl. to game? Can one take taxis to get around, incl. to game?

And, I think that as many people as possible should buy their tickets through Northwestern. It is because we have sold out our bowl allotments in the past that we have gotten this Outback Bowl bid now. We should keep it going . . .

Jim B.


-----Original Message-----
>From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
>Sent: Dec 6, 2009 8:31 PM
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] hotels
>
>I checked my usual places in St. Pete beach and most want 2 nights like the 
> Tradewinds, I go over there 2 or 3 times a year for a long weekend, it is 
>still  worth $200 a night for the best urban beach in America, but if you 
>want to stay  in Tampa look for the area around the convention center, 
>Aquarium, etc, known as  waterside, the Marriot is the big hotel but there are 
>others. Avoid Ybor city  except for the Columbia restaurant, Westshore is OK but 
>out on a peninsula and  away from the scene.  Best restaurant in town is 
>Berns steakhouse, or side  Berns next door. For tickets, do a google search 
>for Raymond James stadium  seating charts and you get 10 different ticket 
>brokers, all asking $100 - $200  for front row seats on our side.
>_______________________________________________
>nwu-sports site list
>nwu-sports@tssi.com
>http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sun Dec  6 21:02:44 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sun Dec  6 21:04:03 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Rekindling Cats' Bowl victory karma
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301357E6D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

I had the pleasure of interviewing some of the players from the 1949 Rose Bowl  - - in case you didn't see the material last year (or want to see it again), here's a link:

http://www.northwestern.edu/magazine/fall2008/feature/rosebowl.html 

(there is also a video & links to two sidebars @ the site)

Now, if the 2010 New Year begins as it did in 1949 for NU...



>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
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willie.weinbaum@espn.com

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Dec  6 21:14:09 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec  6 21:14:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tampa hotels, q's re cars, taxis, comment re tickets
Message-ID: <be6.5f4fb9e8.384dcd01@aol.com>

If you are at the Waterside there are a bunch of things to do right there,  
and a cab to the stadium is easy, back I don't know, Waterside is where the 
 ships come in for Gasparilla, kind of a Tampa mardi gras. 
 
Thanks for the tips. I made a reservation at the Tampa Marriott Waterside;  
might change it to the team hotel, depending on price and availability, not 
to  mention my own availability to fly out. 

If one stays in the downtown  area, does one need a car to get around, 
incl. to game? Can one take taxis to  get around, incl. to game?


From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Mon Dec  7 06:27:29 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Mon Dec  7 06:27:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl Merchandise
Message-ID: <223fce250912070427w40d758bel66285631386bdc1e@mail.gmail.com>

I guess there are a lot of poor children in Africa who will be sporting
purple this year:

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From a_ament at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  7 15:04:52 2009
From: a_ament at hotmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Mon Dec  7 15:05:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 48 votes for Bball Top 25
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301357E6D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301357E6D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <BLU103-W12AE64AE2F20BC32033F2882900@phx.gbl>


Anyone remember the last time the Cats got this many votes in the USA Today poll?  Also finally got a few votes (6) in the AP poll...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings
 		 	   		  
From a_ament at hotmail.com  Mon Dec  7 15:07:07 2009
From: a_ament at hotmail.com (Aaron Ament)
Date: Mon Dec  7 15:07:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 48 votes for Bball Top 25
In-Reply-To: <BLU103-W12AE64AE2F20BC32033F2882900@phx.gbl>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301357E6D@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>,
	<BLU103-W12AE64AE2F20BC32033F2882900@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU103-W128E208520CA4CC6772F1C82900@phx.gbl>


Looks like I got the polls mixed up...not a bad showing for us though...


> From: a_ament@hotmail.com
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 21:04:52 +0000
> Subject: [NU Sports] 48 votes for Bball Top 25
> 
> 
> Anyone remember the last time the Cats got this many votes in the USA Today poll?  Also finally got a few votes (6) in the AP poll...
> 
> http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/rankings
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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Dec  7 17:04:57 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec  7 17:05:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] hotels
Message-ID: <45f8.269c1156.384ee419@aol.com>

If anyone wants to know more about Longboat Key, just write to me.  I  will 
be staying there, as I have for many, many years at Xmas-New Year's  time.  
 
Paul Levinson
From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Dec  7 17:19:41 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec  7 17:26:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] hotels
Message-ID: <47c9.5618ef45.384ee78d@aol.com>

In case anyone doesn't know, the team is staying at the Westin Tampa  
Harbour Island:  
_http://www.starwoodhotels.com/westin/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=1764&language=en_US_ 
(http://www.starwoodhotels.com/westin/property/overview/index.html?propertyID=1764&language=en_US) 
 
I will be in Tampa the afternoon of 12/30, driving my kids to the airport  
to fly from Florida.  If anyone will be around, please let me know.   Not 
sure if I can get together with anyone on the 31st, as I will be back in  
Longboat Key that day.
 
There is a pre-game NU tailgate buffet from 8:30 a.m. to 10:30 a.m.   Maybe 
some of us can consider meeting there.
 
Paul Levinson
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Dec  7 20:29:06 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec  7 20:28:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] lister get together
Message-ID: <bbe.5f0786c4.384f13f2@aol.com>

I am all for meeting at the tailgate but it is for breakfast after all,  
maybe we can also meet at the champions sports bar in the Marriott waterside  
(official team hotel) after the game. It is a nice big place, I usually 
party  there after Gasperilla.
From martinitis at aol.com  Mon Dec  7 20:46:57 2009
From: martinitis at aol.com (martinitis@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec  7 20:35:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Waterside gettogether
Message-ID: <771655370-1260239703-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2105595488-@bda546.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Count me in..after game or new years aft or eve

Lou martinaitis
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Dec  7 20:35:19 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec  7 20:35:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] lister get together
Message-ID: <1563794701-1260239719-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-793436312-@bda199.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I have a feeling some of us may be catching planes after the game.  Maybe do a quick survey. While I won't be ,I will want to watch some other bowl games on new years day. 

My 
 preference would be late afternoon /early evening on NYE

Harry
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I am all for meeting at the tailgate but it is for breakfast after all,  
maybe we can also meet at the champions sports bar in the Marriott waterside  
(official team hotel) after the game. It is a nice big place, I usually 
party  there after Gasperilla.
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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Dec  7 20:42:07 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec  7 20:42:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] lister get together
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 Speaking of catching other bowl games on New Year's Day, it will be strange to miss Bowden's finale in the Gator (which starts 2 hours after our game).  Hopefully, the 'Cats and Tigers will be scratching and clawing in a close, exciting contest, and nobody but "Nole Nation and the State of West Virginia will care about the Gator match.  Ironic, isn't it, that Bowden ends his career in the GATOR Bowl, after essentially getting "Gatored" and "Urbaned" out of a job.  

Paul Levinson

 

 

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I have a feeling some of us may be catching planes after the game.  Maybe do a 
quick survey. While I won't be ,I will want to watch some other bowl games on 
new years day. 

My 
 preference would be late afternoon /early evening on NYE

Harry
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Subject: [NU Sports] lister get together
Sent: Dec 7, 2009 6:29 PM

I am all for meeting at the tailgate but it is for breakfast after all,  
maybe we can also meet at the champions sports bar in the Marriott waterside  
(official team hotel) after the game. It is a nice big place, I usually 
party  there after Gasperilla.
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Mon Dec  7 22:50:38 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Mon Dec  7 22:50:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] lister get together
In-Reply-To: <1563794701-1260239719-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-793436312-@bda199.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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What will people be doing at the stroke of New Year's? I would hope there
would be something going on for so many people far from home.

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 6:35 PM, <hakirsch@aol.com> wrote:

> I have a feeling some of us may be catching planes after the game.  Maybe
> do a quick survey. While I won't be ,I will want to watch some other bowl
> games on new years day.
>
> My
>  preference would be late afternoon /early evening on NYE
>
> Harry
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> Sent: Dec 7, 2009 6:29 PM
>
> I am all for meeting at the tailgate but it is for breakfast after all,
> maybe we can also meet at the champions sports bar in the Marriott
> waterside
> (official team hotel) after the game. It is a nice big place, I usually
> party  there after Gasperilla.
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  8 07:10:37 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Dec  8 07:10:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
Message-ID: <314863.380.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I can't help but to wonder if now is the time for the Big Ten Conference to cut the deal with Notre Dame. The program is in turmoil. They may be looking for the structure and schedule that the Big Ten would provide. Like SjT pointed out, in 1993 Penn State joined the Big Ten. That was the last season that Notre Dame was relevant on the national stage. It also happens to be the same year Fitz enrolled an NU - note where the two programs have gone since!

I hate Notre Dame with a passion, but this deal seems to make sense. There's a lot of money and exposure for the conference if it has a championship game. I know that some would think that a conference championship would diminish our chances of putting two in the BCS and that's a valid concern, but it won't always be the case. a 10-3 conference championship loser from the Big Ten would still have great appeal to fill seats at a BCS at-large game. 

If it happened, and all trophy games were to be preserved (I think), the divisions would have to be:

DIV A - Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota

DIV B - Northwestern, Notre Dame, Penn State, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana

Perhaps the next ND coach will have Big Ten ties and lobby internally. Though really, I guess it all boils down to a handful of executives at NBC and their interest in renewing the ND contract.

Victory & Honor,
Jim


      

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 07:30:50 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Dec  8 07:31:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
In-Reply-To: <314863.380.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <314863.380.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270912080530n40578bb4pc0fe15dd0dd73a65@mail.gmail.com>

Note that the NBC contract was renewed 2 years ago (during Notre Dame's
worst season ever) and won't expire for some time.  It is all about that
contract, and unless NBC somehow gets out of it, I don't see ND's stance on
its football independence changing.  (Note that Comcast's takeover bid for
NBC throws a wrinkle in the situation, but I still don't see them being able
to get out of a contract).  The only time this question will likely come up
again is when the contract expires.

Also note that Delaney said that even if a 12th game is added, the Big Ten
may forego a championship game.  As we've seen, a championship game isn't
always a sure thing (basically the only conference that has made it work
most of the time is the SEC), typically costing the conference a second BCS
berth (wonder why the Big Ten leads all conferences in BCS berths).

I think it would be interesting to get them in the Big Ten and could present
an interesting rivalry with NU, but I can't see it realistically happening
soon.

Jonathan

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:10 AM, Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
>
> I can't help but to wonder if now is the time for the Big Ten Conference to
> cut the deal with Notre Dame. The program is in turmoil. They may be looking
> for the structure and schedule that the Big Ten would provide. Like SjT
> pointed out, in 1993 Penn State joined the Big Ten. That was the last season
> that Notre Dame was relevant on the national stage. It also happens to be
> the same year Fitz enrolled an NU - note where the two programs have gone
> since!
>
> I hate Notre Dame with a passion, but this deal seems to make sense.
> There's a lot of money and exposure for the conference if it has a
> championship game. I know that some would think that a conference
> championship would diminish our chances of putting two in the BCS and that's
> a valid concern, but it won't always be the case. a 10-3 conference
> championship loser from the Big Ten would still have great appeal to fill
> seats at a BCS at-large game.
>
> If it happened, and all trophy games were to be preserved (I think), the
> divisions would have to be:
>
> DIV A - Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota
>
> DIV B - Northwestern, Notre Dame, Penn State, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana
>
> Perhaps the next ND coach will have Big Ten ties and lobby internally.
> Though really, I guess it all boils down to a handful of executives at NBC
> and their interest in renewing the ND contract.
>
> Victory & Honor,
> Jim
>
>
>
>
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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Dec  8 07:35:29 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Dec  8 07:35:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
In-Reply-To: <314863.380.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <314863.380.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA030F16DA@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Jim,

Things are going to have to get a whole lot worse for ND to seek shelter
in the BT.

Their ability to attract the likes of Harbaugh and Kelly as potential
coaches indicate that they still have a lot of juice.  It's that claim
to a top of mind position that is the foundation of ND's feeling that
they can make more money as an independent.  If they are ever ready to
join the BT, it will be at a time when they are so compromised that most
folks on this list will object to their joining.  That time could be
coming if they hire a gunslinger like Kelly.  He could saddle them with
the sort of NCAA sanctions which might finally bring them to the point
that they need the BT.

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 8:11 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I can't help but to wonder if now is the time for the Big Ten Conference
to cut the deal with Notre Dame. The program is in turmoil. They may be
looking for the structure and schedule that the Big Ten would provide.
Like SjT pointed out, in 1993 Penn State joined the Big Ten. That was
the last season that Notre Dame was relevant on the national stage. It
also happens to be the same year Fitz enrolled an NU - note where the
two programs have gone since!

I hate Notre Dame with a passion, but this deal seems to make sense.
There's a lot of money and exposure for the conference if it has a
championship game. I know that some would think that a conference
championship would diminish our chances of putting two in the BCS and
that's a valid concern, but it won't always be the case. a 10-3
conference championship loser from the Big Ten would still have great
appeal to fill seats at a BCS at-large game. 

If it happened, and all trophy games were to be preserved (I think), the
divisions would have to be:

DIV A - Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota

DIV B - Northwestern, Notre Dame, Penn State, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana

Perhaps the next ND coach will have Big Ten ties and lobby internally.
Though really, I guess it all boils down to a handful of executives at
NBC and their interest in renewing the ND contract.

Victory & Honor,
Jim


      

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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Tue Dec  8 08:45:49 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Tue Dec  8 08:48:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
Message-ID: <20091208.084549.23248.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

>From what I have heard PSU really wants Michigan on the schedule EVERY year and that.

I would rather have Wisky in NUs division over PSU, but I agree it is hard to split IWM(Pig-Axe-?) or not split the 4 potential superpowers.

>From this arrangement PSU would benefit from an easy division.

Here is how I rank the teams historically(last 30 years) in the Big 10-ish
* Superpowers *
Michigan
tOSU
ND
PSU

* In Waiting *
Wisconsin
Iowa
Michigan State -- tweener

* Rest *
Northwestern
Illinois
Purdue
Indiana
Minnesota

You divide the superpowers nicely, but the next tier can't all be in one division.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>


DIV A - Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota

DIV B - Northwestern, Notre Dame, Penn State, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana



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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Tue Dec  8 10:03:42 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Tue Dec  8 10:04:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
In-Reply-To: <314863.380.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <314863.380.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I don't think we need a twelfth member, and more pointedly I don't think 
we need Notre Dame, or at least today's Notre Dame. The Big Ten has 
plenty of money and exposure already, and as others have pointed out, a 
conference championship is a dicey proposition; I'd say it's only really 
working for one conference currently. Even if it wouldn't always get in 
the way of a second BCS bid, my question is why should it ever?

Don't get me wrong; it's certainly fun to play "what if," and even now 
Notre Dame is really the only school that makes sense for a 12th member. 
But they need us a whole lot more than we need them, even if they would 
never admit it. Maybe ten years ago a 12-team conference seemed to be 
the inevitable wave of the future, but today I wouldn't make that 
assumption. (Ask the ACC or CUSA whether expanding to 12 teams is a 
great idea.) Do we really have to add a team that hasn't been "relevant" 
since 1993?


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From Martinitis at aol.com  Tue Dec  8 11:58:15 2009
From: Martinitis at aol.com (Martinitis@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec  8 11:56:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
Message-ID: <cac.5d4574ed.384fedb7@aol.com>

I don't like the idea.
 
Lou Martinaitis
From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Dec  8 12:11:16 2009
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec  8 12:11:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
In-Reply-To: <4B1E78DE.9050204@northwestern.edu>
References: <314863.380.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4B1E78DE.9050204@northwestern.edu>
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I agree with Eric on this one.  I am still very annoyed at Notre Dame, for acting high and mighty last time (including that traitor Ara, who argued against joining).

All I know is, the University Senate there wanted to join the Big Ten, especially for the academic benefit it would bring their University.  Athletic people (and probably Network people) didn't want to.  And if athletic people can overrule professors, I am not so sure that is a school we want in the conference anyway.

If they come asking (again), give them General McAuliffe's answer at the Bulge...

Chuck Herron   Tech '85
   



-----Original Message-----
From: Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2009 10:03 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND


I don't think we need a twelfth member, and more pointedly I don't think we need Notre Dame, or at least today's Notre Dame. The Big Ten has plenty of money and exposure already, and as others have pointed out, a conference championship is a dicey proposition; I'd say it's only really working for one conference currently. Even if it wouldn't always get in the way of a second BCS bid, my question is why should it ever? 
 
Don't get me wrong; it's certainly fun to play "what if," and even now Notre Dame is really the only school that makes sense for a 12th member. But they need us a whole lot more than we need them, even if they would never admit it. Maybe ten years ago a 12-team conference seemed to be the inevitable wave of the future, but today I wouldn't make that assumption. (Ask the ACC or CUSA whether expanding to 12 teams is a great idea.) Do we really have to add a team that hasn't been "relevant" since 1993? 
 
Eric West 
e-west@northwestern.edu 
 
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From artmiller_news at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  8 14:02:37 2009
From: artmiller_news at yahoo.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Tue Dec  8 14:02:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
In-Reply-To: <8CC4648F76EF155-5ED8-ADF@webmail-d069.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <493132.92899.qm@web113813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 12/8/09, cherron604@aol.com <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:

> All I know is, the University Senate there wanted to join
> the Big Ten, especially for the academic benefit it would
> bring their University.? Athletic people (and probably
> Network people) didn't want to.? And if athletic people
> can overrule professors, I am not so sure that is a school
> we want in the conference anyway.

Well, if that's the standard then at least half the Big Ten isn't qualified--OSU, Michigan, and Penn State for starters.  

The truth, if some of you could get past your anti-ND bias, is that we have significantly more in common with Notre Dame than any of our current conference-mates.  It would seem that having another small, private, academically-oriented university in the Big Ten would only help advance the concerns and priorities of such institutions.

If expansion is a given, the LAST thing I'd want to see is yet another monster state university join.



      

From e-west at northwestern.edu  Tue Dec  8 16:49:43 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Tue Dec  8 16:50:20 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
In-Reply-To: <493132.92899.qm@web113813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <493132.92899.qm@web113813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B1ED807.1050906@northwestern.edu>

Arthur Miller wrote:
> The truth, if some of you could get past your anti-ND bias...
>   

Don't confuse the issue. If Notre Dame wanted to join the Big Ten, 
they'd join, with no more objection than there was for Penn State. 
There's nothing "anti-ND" in growing weary of the notion that the Big 
Ten HAS to add a twelfth member, or that we HAVE to go after Notre Dame. 
Are we some lonely dancer hoping that someone will get desperate enough 
to be our partner?

The Big Ten will survive just fine -- athletically and academically -- 
if it stays at eleven members. I don't think the we have any reason to 
define ourselves by what we do not have.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Dec  8 17:01:43 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec  8 17:00:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 'BAMA CANCELS 3 DAYS OF CLASSES FOR BCS TITLE GAME
Message-ID: <c97.55a2076e.385034d7@aol.com>

Think President Schapiro (or President Bienen) would do this at NU if we  
were playing for national title?
 
_http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/12/08/alabama.classes.a
p/index.html_ 
(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/12/08/alabama.classes.ap/index.html) 
 
Paul Levinson
From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Tue Dec  8 17:17:28 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Tue Dec  8 17:20:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 'BAMA CANCELS 3 DAYS OF CLASSES FOR BCS TITLE GAME
Message-ID: <20091208.171728.29834.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

Didn't NU cancel classes for the '49 Rose Bowl?

Seriously it's Alabama.  The only deleterious affect is that the coloring books in the library get their lifespan extended by 3 days.
---------- Original Message ----------
From: NEONRye@aol.com

Think President Schapiro (or President Bienen) would do this at NU if we  
were playing for national title?
 
_http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/12/08/alabama.classes.a
p/index.html_ 
(http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/12/08/alabama.classes.ap/index.html) 


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From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Dec  8 17:26:12 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec  8 17:27:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 'BAMA CANCELS 3 DAYS OF CLASSES FOR BCS TITLE GAME
Message-ID: <bf7.6fd6d48f.38503a94@aol.com>

lol--a lot--One of best posts ever.....Think they have the same coloring  
books in the Auburn library?  They are bitter rivals, so maybe they stole  
them from each other....
From jintsjason at me.com  Tue Dec  8 17:29:08 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Tue Dec  8 17:29:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 'BAMA CANCELS 3 DAYS OF CLASSES FOR BCS TITLE GAME
In-Reply-To: <bf7.6fd6d48f.38503a94@aol.com>
References: <bf7.6fd6d48f.38503a94@aol.com>
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In my office is a Notre Dame grad, a USC grad and a Michigan grad. I just told them all and they can't believe that the NCAA would even allow it. It really is incredible.

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



On Dec 8, 2009, at 3:26 PM, NEONRye@aol.com wrote:

> lol--a lot--One of best posts ever.....Think they have the same coloring  
> books in the Auburn library?  They are bitter rivals, so maybe they stole  
> them from each other....
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Dec  8 18:24:05 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec  8 18:24:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
Message-ID: <716851279-1260318241-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-110891038-@bda199.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

On another ND note, Harbaugh has denied talking to them.  Shades of Gary Barnett !  Would be interesting if he went there though the last guy to come from stanford lasted 3 years.  I actually think that he could go there or may hold out for the michigan job. I bet he would love to come back to the midwest

Harry
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Sent: Dec 8, 2009 2:49 PM

Arthur Miller wrote:
> The truth, if some of you could get past your anti-ND bias...
>   

Don't confuse the issue. If Notre Dame wanted to join the Big Ten, 
they'd join, with no more objection than there was for Penn State. 
There's nothing "anti-ND" in growing weary of the notion that the Big 
Ten HAS to add a twelfth member, or that we HAVE to go after Notre Dame. 
Are we some lonely dancer hoping that someone will get desperate enough 
to be our partner?

The Big Ten will survive just fine -- athletically and academically -- 
if it stays at eleven members. I don't think the we have any reason to 
define ourselves by what we do not have.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  8 18:37:22 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Dec  8 18:37:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
In-Reply-To: <314863.380.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <314863.380.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <907840.63642.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Nevermind. Apparently this is a really bad idea. 

Jim



----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 10:10:37 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I can't help but to wonder if now is the time for the Big Ten Conference to cut the deal with Notre Dame. The program is in turmoil. They may be looking for the structure and schedule that the Big Ten would provide. Like SjT pointed out, in 1993 Penn State joined the Big Ten. That was the last season that Notre Dame was relevant on the national stage. It also happens to be the same year Fitz enrolled an NU - note where the two programs have gone since!

I hate Notre Dame with a passion, but this deal seems to make sense. There's a lot of money and exposure for the conference if it has a championship game. I know that some would think that a conference championship would diminish our chances of putting two in the BCS and that's a valid concern, but it won't always be the case. a 10-3 conference championship loser from the Big Ten would still have great appeal to fill seats at a BCS at-large game. 

If it happened, and all trophy games were to be preserved (I think), the divisions would have to be:

DIV A - Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota

DIV B - Northwestern, Notre Dame, Penn State, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana

Perhaps the next ND coach will have Big Ten ties and lobby internally. Though really, I guess it all boils down to a handful of executives at NBC and their interest in renewing the ND contract.

Victory & Honor,
Jim


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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Dec  8 19:04:43 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec  8 19:04:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Line on Game
Message-ID: <1660118269-1260320673-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-586382399-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

According to today's NY POST 'Cats are 8 1/2 point dogs, while Over/Under is 54 1/2.
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Tue Dec  8 19:04:34 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Tue Dec  8 19:04:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7C06F@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I think it would be a great idea if ND would join the Big Ten. 

Then we could beat them all the time. 





----- Original Message -----
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To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Tue Dec 08 19:37:22 2009
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND

Nevermind. Apparently this is a really bad idea. 

Jim



----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Tue, December 8, 2009 10:10:37 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I can't help but to wonder if now is the time for the Big Ten Conference to cut the deal with Notre Dame. The program is in turmoil. They may be looking for the structure and schedule that the Big Ten would provide. Like SjT pointed out, in 1993 Penn State joined the Big Ten. That was the last season that Notre Dame was relevant on the national stage. It also happens to be the same year Fitz enrolled an NU - note where the two programs have gone since!

I hate Notre Dame with a passion, but this deal seems to make sense. There's a lot of money and exposure for the conference if it has a championship game. I know that some would think that a conference championship would diminish our chances of putting two in the BCS and that's a valid concern, but it won't always be the case. a 10-3 conference championship loser from the Big Ten would still have great appeal to fill seats at a BCS at-large game. 

If it happened, and all trophy games were to be preserved (I think), the divisions would have to be:

DIV A - Michigan, Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota

DIV B - Northwestern, Notre Dame, Penn State, Illinois, Purdue, Indiana

Perhaps the next ND coach will have Big Ten ties and lobby internally. Though really, I guess it all boils down to a handful of executives at NBC and their interest in renewing the ND contract.

Victory & Honor,
Jim


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From neonrye at aol.com  Tue Dec  8 19:07:58 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec  8 19:08:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Line on Game
Message-ID: <1441214149-1260320869-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1278953199-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Mistake--Auburn favored by 8.
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According to today's NY POST 'Cats are 8 1/2 point dogs, while Over/Under is 54 1/2.
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 20:33:30 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Tue Dec  8 20:33:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Line on Game
In-Reply-To: <1441214149-1260320869-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1278953199-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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My favorite Caribbean book has it NU +71/2

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On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:07 PM, <neonrye@aol.com> wrote:

> Mistake--Auburn favored by 8.
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> According to today's NY POST 'Cats are 8 1/2 point dogs, while Over/Under
> is 54 1/2.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  8 20:58:24 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Dec  8 20:58:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
In-Reply-To: <493132.92899.qm@web113813.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <100980.57490.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Well, if that's the standard then at least half the Big Ten
> isn't qualified--OSU, Michigan, and Penn State for
> starters.? 

Well, I think that's a bit unfair. The University of Michigan is an outstanding academic institution ... though they do have those special loopholes for athletes.:) And Penn State has certainly benefitted academically from joining the Big Ten (one of the reasons they wanted to join was for the academics and minor sports - realizing it may hurt football - and they were right). Most of the "public schools" in the Big Ten are among the top schools nationally - so it's not like it's a run of the mill, admit 98% of applicants school.

As for OSU, well, I always said they were an "SEC school in Big Ten clothing."

I have mixed thoughts on ND in the Big Ten - it would make more sense to have 10 or 12 instead of 11. They do make sense geographically, academically and historically. Plus, as Alan said, then we could beat them more often.:)

But if they join, it would need to be on OUR terms and they can't get the sweetheart special deal the Big Least currently has with them.

In terms of a title game, it would be fun for fans. I don't think it would hurt our double-dipping in the B(C)S at all (conference title games often help there, as a division foe can lose early and be out of the title game but finish on a roll at 10-2 or 11-1 and make the B(C)S). The Big Ten's title game would certainly be more in the SEC's vein than ACC or Big XII, as our fan bases travel well, we'd get good ratings and a nice prime time spot.

However, my opinion on the championship games has switched over times - often they fail to match up the two best teams in the league. The only reason the SEC has gotten lucky the past two years is that they have become what they always derided the Big Ten for being -- the "Big Two plus who?." If LSU hadn't pulled out an OT squeaker over Arkansas, both Bama and Florida would have been the only teams above .500 in league play and each won their division by at least 3 games.

Back when the SEC was competitive, it often missed the right title game - putting LSU against Tennessee in the Tigers' title year when Georgia was probably playing better than anyone else in the country in November -- then keeping a top five LSU out of a game against Florida in their title year because Arkansas had the tiebreak (so maybe a title game HELPS your league produce 1- or 2-loss champions who duck their real league competition :) ).

Personally, I prefer what the Pac 10 does. Everyone plays everyone. No byes. And we didn't do too badly this year with Iowa-OSU ... it just happened to be weeks ago. 

But like everyone has said, this is just long-term speculation now. The Irish still are arrogant enough to believe they can go it alone. Kelley is a perfect fit for them -- all O and no D. A few more 7-5 or 8-4 seasons and maybe they'll want to emerge from irrelevance and wise up.:)

Any news on Zookerwatch? Naw, who cares - WE'RE the ones bowling on New Year's Day!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - I do recommend the Wisconsin fan message boards for a fun read this holiday season (jsonline.com or other newspapers in America's Dairyland) -- they've gone from rage ("how dare they!") to excuses ("we went to Hawaii and wouldn't travel again") to anger ("Orlando sucks") to sugar coating ("Miami is ranked at least") to acceptance ("well, NU did beat us") in a few days. We should have had this much joy with Hawkeye fans last year, but at least we get the gift this year with the Cheeseheads. Thank you Philips, Fitz and the Outback committee!


      

From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Tue Dec  8 21:37:33 2009
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec  8 21:37:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten and ND
Message-ID: <2773.2ae7d0d6.3850757d@aol.com>

About academics..most BT universities hold to what are known as NCAA  
standards, which allow an athlete to play sports if they have a minimum high  
school education, elite institutions like NU, Stanford and Tulane (where I  
learned firsthand that debate about these standards is fierce) require a higher 
 level of academic achievement for admission. The actual requirements at 
each  university are not know, but graduation rates tell as much as anything. 
Colleges  that require more than the NCAA minimum are seldom among the elite 
football  programs, IMHO.
From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Wed Dec  9 10:05:31 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Wed Dec  9 10:07:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Please read
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7C072@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

High praise for Jonathan's essay on perceptions of Wildcat fb: http://bit.ly/4Yicif

Kudos, Jonathan. 

And, damn right: I expect victory.

Go Wildcats! 

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 10:11:38 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Dec  9 10:12:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Please read
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7C072@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
References: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF08A7C072@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270912090811y5cf8ed77r9141291cbcd1e35@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the plug and looking forward to Tampa on New Year's Day!

Go 'Cats!!!
Jonathan

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <
Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com> wrote:

> High praise for Jonathan's essay on perceptions of Wildcat fb:
> http://bit.ly/4Yicif
>
> Kudos, Jonathan.
>
> And, damn right: I expect victory.
>
> Go Wildcats!
>
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From ivars at radioskonto.lv  Wed Dec  9 11:20:43 2009
From: ivars at radioskonto.lv (Ivars Embrekts)
Date: Wed Dec  9 11:20:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 'BAMA CANCELS 3 DAYS OF CLASSES FOR BCS TITLE GAME
In-Reply-To: <c97.55a2076e.385034d7@aol.com>
References: <c97.55a2076e.385034d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B1FDC6B.7020600@radioskonto.lv>

Yes.

NEONRye@aol.com wrote:
> Think President Schapiro (or President Bienen) would do this at NU if we  
> were playing for national title?
>  
> _http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/12/08/alabama.classes.a
> p/index.html_ 
> (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/ncaa/12/08/alabama.classes.ap/index.html) 
>  
> Paul Levinson
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Dec  9 19:07:13 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Wed Dec  9 19:07:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Please read
Message-ID: <c11.3eb47800.3851a3c1@aol.com>

good article Jonathan, wish the NU students were bigger fans, maybe we let  
in too many GIRLS...    
Also I am not sure about the shifting fortunes in pro sports..2  words..the 
cubs..2 more words..the yanks
 
and just to warm up for New Years day
 
 
You know you are from Auburn if . . .
    *   The Halloween pumpkin on your front porch has more teeth than your 
spouse.   
    *   You let your twelve-year-old daughter smoke at the dinner table in 
front  of her kids.  
    *   Last year you hid Easter eggs under cow pies.  
    *   You've been married three times and still have the same in-laws.  
    *   You think a woman who is "out of your league" bowls on a different 
night.  
    *   Jack Daniel's makes your list of "Most Admired People."  
    *   You wonder how service stations keep their restrooms so clean.  
    *   Anyone in your family ever died right after saying, "Hey, y'all 
watch  this!"  
    *   You've got more than one brother named 'Darryl.'  
    *   You think that Dom Perignon is a Mafia leader.  
    *   Your wife's hairdo was once ruined by a ceiling fan.  
    *   You go to your family reunion looking for a date.  
    *   Your Junior/Senior Prom had a Daycare.  
    *   You lit a match in the bathroom and your house exploded right off 
its  wheels.  
    *   You take a six-pack cooler to church.  
    *   You had to remove a toothpick for your wedding pictures.  
    *   The bluebook value of your truck goes up and down, depending on how 
much  gas it has in it.  
    *   You have to go outside to get something out of the 'fridge.'  
    *   One of your kids was born on a pool table.  
    *   Your dad walks you to school because you are both in the same 
grade.  
    *   You need one more hole punched in your card to get a freebie at the 
House  of Tattoos.  
    *   You have flowers planted in a bathroom fixture in your front yard.  
    *   Ya can't get married to yer sweetheart 'cause there's a law against 
it.'  
    *   You dated one of your parents' current spouses in high school.  
    *   You think loading the dishwasher means getting your wife drunk.  
    *   Your school fight song is "Dueling Banjos."  
    *   Your toilet paper has page numbers on it. 

 
From yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu  Thu Dec 10 15:13:10 2009
From: yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu (Evan Bradley)
Date: Thu Dec 10 15:13:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] salary bargain
Message-ID: <911e415f0912101313v404f9b3djb61ab1ea0586114e@mail.gmail.com>

according to an item I just saw on ESPN (can't seem to find it
online), Pat Fitzgerald is #3 on their list of top 5 FBS coaches in
terms of salary 'bargain' at $750K/yr. I can't remember the other 4
were for sure, but I'm pretty sure Kyle Whittingham (Utah,$700K) and
Bronco Mendenhall (BYU, $650K) were on there.

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 15:23:38 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu Dec 10 15:24:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] salary bargain
In-Reply-To: <911e415f0912101313v404f9b3djb61ab1ea0586114e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <911e415f0912101313v404f9b3djb61ab1ea0586114e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270912101323y13362916vf27ee1fcdfd0d105@mail.gmail.com>

Note that Fitz's salary technically isn't made public (since NU is a private
school the media can't get ahold of the contract via the Freedom of
Information Act at the state level), but the $750k/yr number was a number
thrown around before he signed his extension this summer (I believe the
media had confirmed that number with some anonymous sources).

Fitz's new contract, though, was reported to be higher than that, so I think
he may be close to if not above the 7-figure threshold.  Again, it's a guess
and we will probably never know the exact number.

Jonathan

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Evan Bradley <yevb0@alumni.northwestern.edu
> wrote:

> according to an item I just saw on ESPN (can't seem to find it
> online), Pat Fitzgerald is #3 on their list of top 5 FBS coaches in
> terms of salary 'bargain' at $750K/yr. I can't remember the other 4
> were for sure, but I'm pretty sure Kyle Whittingham (Utah,$700K) and
> Bronco Mendenhall (BYU, $650K) were on there.
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Thu Dec 10 16:54:31 2009
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Date: Thu Dec 10 16:54:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires Brian
	Kelly as New Coach
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Dec 10 17:58:00 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec 10 17:58:09 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
	BrianKelly as New Coach
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Last time they hired a guy connected with cinncinati The Domers were disappointed with 31-26 Gerry Faust.  Let's hope kelly last less than 5 years due to performance

Harry
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 10 19:10:31 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Thu Dec 10 19:10:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The Crocs Index
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Good morning from South Korea.

I am in my second week over here teaching English. I suppose I should have known this, but I need to have indoor sandals at school so that I can take off my outdoor shoes when?I enter the building. And, at a modest size 11 I am too large for any footwear sold in Korea. So, I went online to order some crocs. 

I went to www.crocs.com and starting looking for the cheapest pair I could find (since I need more than one pair). They have a sale on college and pro athletic licensed crocs - I guess they are being discontinued. 

SIZES AVAILABLE:
Atlanta Braves: 4/5 (SM)?and 6/7 (MD)
Florida State: 4/5 (SM)?and 10/11 (XL)
South Carolina: 3/4 (XS)?
Iowa: 3/4 (XS)?
Notre Dame: Available in all sizes :-)

I guess the ND alums just aren't feeling the pride so much any more. 

For the record I splurged and bought three pairs (purple).

Go Cats!
Jim


      

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 10 20:45:14 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Thu Dec 10 20:45:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
	BrianKelly as New Coach
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It'll be a far cry from Faust who came from a Cincinnati high school, not a university. I think that what Kelly accomplished at Cincinnati -- turning a joke of a program into a good one -- was nothing short of a miracle, and I think he'll be a good fit for ND. As long as ND didn't go after Fitz, it's fine with me. - Jim

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>Last time they hired a guy connected with cinncinati The Domers were disappointed with 31-26 Gerry Faust.  Let's hope kelly last less than 5 years due to performance
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 10 21:06:38 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Dec 10 21:06:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires Brian
	Kelly as New Coach
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Well, so much for the "big name surprise" like Stoops or reaching for Urban.:)

Kelly seems like a good fit for ND -- all O and no D -- but I think he's going to be sorry he made the move. At Cincy he was king of a weak conference and could get second pick of the Ohio litter in there to outscore some pretty poor defenses.

Granted, ND plays a heavily Big Least schedule - but they have a bit tougher academic standards and don't exactly have a lot of offense left there with their punk QB and Golden Tate leaving. The Irish are going to want results quickly.

I feel bad for the Cincy players - it really kind of ruins their bowl game and their shot to get a big-time win over Florida and prove their puffed-up record is legit. I think Tebow might hang 60 on them now as a swan song. Cry Tebow Cry!

Let's hope Kelly winds up like the last coach who left the Big East champs after juuuuust missing the national title game to move up to one of the big boys and try to counter their physicality - RichRod.:)

I dunno -- this seems like a safe choice, but hardly one that will pump up the alumni or wake up the echoes with visions of a quick turnaround. I haven't seen their schedule last year, but will assume it's the same Big Ten/USC sandwich with plenty of creampuffs in the middle. He might squeak out six wins, but I think Domers might be bowlless again in 2010.

But hey, as long as they didn't snap up Fitz, it's all good!:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Dec 10 21:12:23 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec 10 21:12:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
	BrianKelly as New Coach
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As I read more about the circumstances of Kelly's hire and departure from Cincy, I am saddened and angry at the way this played out.  And this is coming from someone who enjoyed watching him and felt he is a tremendous coach.  What if Colt McCoy had held the ball another second, and the Bearcats would have been paired with 'Bama for the BCS Crown?  Would Kelly still have left his team in the lurch?  He is walking away from a squad that is on the verge of an undefeated season, playing the biggest game they ever had.  Yes, it is his "dream" job, but the fact remains that he spent the past 10 days or so lying to his team.  I don't believe for a second that the Irish didn't send him feelers prior to the Pitt game, and certainly afterwards, he had to know he was probably going, and yet he told his players otherwise.  Maybe I am being naive, but when I heard Kelly on ESPN (on a web replay) saying that this was being handled with "integrity", I almost had to laugh.  Just read his player's quotes in tonight's news reports.  

I choose to believe that Fitz would never do this kind of thing and that if he ever decided to leave NU--God help us--he would be up-front about it. Kelly is a great coach and yes, possibly a miracle worker, but he is far, very far, from being a great man.  I choose to believe that Fitz is both.  I really think his parents raised him right, and that his NU education just built on a very solid foundation.  He is class personified, and emboides everything that is good and true about NU.  I cannot imagine him walking away from his "young men" like Kelly just did.   President Schapiro and the Board of Trustees must make every effort to keep his compensation package competititive and to provide the ancillary things (like good pay for assistant coaches and upgrading facilities as needed) to go the extra miles (not just mile) to keep Fitz clothed in Purple Pride.  He is truly a rare breed, and we are so lucky to have him.  Coach Walker's death was a true tragedy, but he left a legacy in a program that was on the rise and he left us Fitz as his most worthy and honorable successor to carry the 'Cats to greater heights.

By the way, I'd love to see Fitz challenge his fellow Irish-American to a home and home series (South Bend & Evanston) in the next few years.  Or one game--winner take all--at Soldier Field.  

See you in Tampa.  Go 'Cats!  Go Fitz!

Paul Levinson





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It'll be a far cry from Faust who came from a Cincinnati high school, not a 
niversity. I think that what Kelly accomplished at Cincinnati -- turning a joke 
f a program into a good one -- was nothing short of a miracle, and I think 
e'll be a good fit for ND. As long as ND didn't go after Fitz, it's fine with 
e. - Jim
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires  
rianKelly as New Coach

Last time they hired a guy connected with cinncinati The Domers were 
isappointed with 31-26 Gerry Faust.  Let's hope kelly last less than 5 years 
ue to performance

Harry
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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Dec 10 21:18:19 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec 10 21:18:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires Brian
	Kelly as New Coach
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Stephen,

I generally love almost all of your posts and  look forward to your sage analyses, but I have been holding this in all season, and it's finally coming out.  Enough already, please, about the Big Least!!!  Cincy, Pitt and W.V. all had fine teams and good seasons.   And don't forget low-level 'Cuse beat our 'Cats--injuries are no excuse, if the Big Least is as bad as you say.  I agree that the Big East is not a powerful gridiron conference, but it does not deserve to be the whipping boy you portray.  UConn would give the 'Cats and other BT teams a go as well.  I agree that Rutgers has been overrated the past few years, but considering where they used to be, Schiano has done a great job.  For those of us on the Eastern Seabord the Big East is our home conference, so can you kindly stop whomping on it.:-)

Regards,

Paul



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Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2009 10:06 pm
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Well, so much for the "big name surprise" like Stoops or reaching for Urban.:)
Kelly seems like a good fit for ND -- all O and no D -- but I think he's going 
o be sorry he made the move. At Cincy he was king of a weak conference and 
ould get second pick of the Ohio litter in there to outscore some pretty poor 
efenses.
Granted, ND plays a heavily Big Least schedule - but they have a bit tougher 
cademic standards and don't exactly have a lot of offense left there with their 
unk QB and Golden Tate leaving. The Irish are going to want results quickly.
I feel bad for the Cincy players - it really kind of ruins their bowl game and 
heir shot to get a big-time win over Florida and prove their puffed-up record 
s legit. I think Tebow might hang 60 on them now as a swan song. Cry Tebow Cry!
Let's hope Kelly winds up like the last coach who left the Big East champs after 
uuuuust missing the national title game to move up to one of the big boys and 
ry to counter their physicality - RichRod.:)
I dunno -- this seems like a safe choice, but hardly one that will pump up the 
lumni or wake up the echoes with visions of a quick turnaround. I haven't seen 
heir schedule last year, but will assume it's the same Big Ten/USC sandwich 
ith plenty of creampuffs in the middle. He might squeak out six wins, but I 
hink Domers might be bowlless again in 2010.
But hey, as long as they didn't snap up Fitz, it's all good!:)
GO CATS!!!
SjT

     
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 10 21:41:19 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Dec 10 21:41:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
	BrianKelly as New Coach
In-Reply-To: <8CC4826E463A0A3-4E20-1B68@webmail-m062.sysops.aol.com>
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> As I read more about the circumstances of Kelly's hire and
> departure from Cincy, I am saddened and angry at the way
> this played out.? And this is coming from someone who

NU alum Stewart Mandel had an interesting article the other week on SI.com about the "what ifs" about that championship weekend two years ago. If West Virginia isn't upset by Pitt and RichRod goes to the title game instead of Les Miles, who knows if Miles would have been more open to Michigan's overtures and RichRod might still be in Morgantown.

This may be similar (except Notre Dame wouldn't have even gotten a callback from Mack Brown :) ) ... one second more and Kelly probably stays at Cincy.

But total agreement about the lowball way of doing this and how devastating it must be for Cincy as they get ready for the Mighty Gators. I also would never expect such from Fitz. I think he (and thankfully our president and AD) envision Coach Fitz as our JoePa and hope to see him on the sidelines for a long time.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Sorry, Jim, about the "Big Least" ... old habits die hard. Though I would disagree on conference assessment -- it's been a few years now that ABC has been trying to hype up the Big East as a legit league (they took a brief break last year to pump up the Big XII but gave up on that this year). Not buying it. Cincy should have lost to Illinois. Pitt lost to NC State. And West Virginia is about to be crushed by a 6-6 ACC team. Rutgers and Louisville are hot and cold, UConn may be rising, but it's a slow burn. And South Florida is their Minnesota ... don't go for that football, Charlie Brown! So I'll try and keep from doing it, but sometimes the fingers type from the heart.:)

As for Syracuse, that's our usual September letdown game ... when Duke and Wake Forest beat us, it didn't make the ACC better.:)

I'd rather see ABC start to play up the leagues that are truly strong and deep ... and the ones that butter their bread, like the Big Ten and Pac 10.


      

From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Dec 10 21:49:42 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec 10 21:49:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame
	HiresBrianKelly as New Coach
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Unfortunately this is more the norm in collegiate sports than the exception.     
My first realization of this came in 1978 when chuck fairbanks,hoping to make a big splash for recruiting, announced right before the playoffs that he would leave the NE Patriots to go to Colorado

Hopefully Paul is right if Fitz would ever leave and I got to believe he represents the positive side of college sports.  Of course I thought Gary Barnett  did as well. Of course GB didn't go to school at NU but he certainly said everything right until he left town

Harry
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	BrianKelly as New Coach


As I read more about the circumstances of Kelly's hire and departure from Cincy, I am saddened and angry at the way this played out.  And this is coming from someone who enjoyed watching him and felt he is a tremendous coach.  What if Colt McCoy had held the ball another second, and the Bearcats would have been paired with 'Bama for the BCS Crown?  Would Kelly still have left his team in the lurch?  He is walking away from a squad that is on the verge of an undefeated season, playing the biggest game they ever had.  Yes, it is his "dream" job, but the fact remains that he spent the past 10 days or so lying to his team.  I don't believe for a second that the Irish didn't send him feelers prior to the Pitt game, and certainly afterwards, he had to know he was probably going, and yet he told his players otherwise.  Maybe I am being naive, but when I heard Kelly on ESPN (on a web replay) saying that this was being handled with "integrity", I almost had to laugh.  Just read his player's quotes in tonight's news reports.  

I choose to believe that Fitz would never do this kind of thing and that if he ever decided to leave NU--God help us--he would be up-front about it. Kelly is a great coach and yes, possibly a miracle worker, but he is far, very far, from being a great man.  I choose to believe that Fitz is both.  I really think his parents raised him right, and that his NU education just built on a very solid foundation.  He is class personified, and emboides everything that is good and true about NU.  I cannot imagine him walking away from his "young men" like Kelly just did.   President Schapiro and the Board of Trustees must make every effort to keep his compensation package competititive and to provide the ancillary things (like good pay for assistant coaches and upgrading facilities as needed) to go the extra miles (not just mile) to keep Fitz clothed in Purple Pride.  He is truly a rare breed, and we are so lucky to have him.  Coach Walker's death was a true tragedy, but he left a legacy in a program that was on the rise and he left us Fitz as his most worthy and honorable successor to carry the 'Cats to greater heights.

By the way, I'd love to see Fitz challenge his fellow Irish-American to a home and home series (South Bend & Evanston) in the next few years.  Or one game--winner take all--at Soldier Field.  

See you in Tampa.  Go 'Cats!  Go Fitz!

Paul Levinson





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It'll be a far cry from Faust who came from a Cincinnati high school, not a 
niversity. I think that what Kelly accomplished at Cincinnati -- turning a joke 
f a program into a good one -- was nothing short of a miracle, and I think 
e'll be a good fit for ND. As long as ND didn't go after Fitz, it's fine with 
e. - Jim
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From: hakirsch@aol.com
Sent: Dec 10, 2009 6:58 PM
To: "Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)" <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>, 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires  
rianKelly as New Coach

Last time they hired a guy connected with cinncinati The Domers were 
isappointed with 31-26 Gerry Faust.  Let's hope kelly last less than 5 years 
ue to performance

Harry
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on Friday.

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From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Thu Dec 10 23:36:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] lister get together
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Have we picked a place yet? I like this suggestion that we do it at the Marriott Waterside. What do people think?! - Jim

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>I am all for meeting at the tailgate but it is for breakfast after all,  
>maybe we can also meet at the champions sports bar in the Marriott waterside  
>(official team hotel) after the game. It is a nice big place, I usually 
>party  there after Gasperilla.

From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Dec 11 00:13:57 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 11 00:14:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] lister get together
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Question

Does anyone think we might get more of us at 9 in the morning the day of the game ? (Hungover and all ?). If yes the problem would be where ? If not then jim's suggestion might be the best.  I would suggest we wear a name tag with our email address

Harry
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Have we picked a place yet? I like this suggestion that we do it at the Marriott Waterside. What do people think?! - Jim

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>Sent: Dec 7, 2009 9:29 PM
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] lister get together
>
>I am all for meeting at the tailgate but it is for breakfast after all,  
>maybe we can also meet at the champions sports bar in the Marriott waterside  
>(official team hotel) after the game. It is a nice big place, I usually 
>party  there after Gasperilla.

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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Fri Dec 11 06:23:38 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Fri Dec 11 06:27:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires BrianKell
	y as New Coach
Message-ID: <20091211.062338.14511.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com>

Maybe I missed some of it, but from what I read Kelly was the #1 realistic candidate as of a month ago.  I think most of his players truly knew that if/when Weiss was fired Kelly was going.

With GB I don't begrudge him at all for leaving just the way he left.  Once a coach flirts and this flirtation becomes public he MUST go.  GB destroyed at least 1 full season of NU football and possibly 2 or 3 with the recruit meddling.  I think this is why many people dislike him.  I don't think Utah fans hate Urban Meyer due to the fact he was offerred and he left without being wishy-washy like GB. 

My belief in regard to the team in south bend is that put out feelers and only Kelly responded.  This does not say much for that program.  Kelly could be a Tressel-like coach, which would be good for them, but bad for the rest of the world.  OTOH the Tressel aspects maybe don't translate where there are still some academic requirements.

---------- Original Message ----------
As I read more about the circumstances of Kelly's hire and departure from Cincy, I am saddened and angry at the way this played out.  And this is coming from someone who enjoyed watching him and felt he is a tremendous coach.  What if Colt McCoy had held the ball another second, and the Bearcats would have been paired with 'Bama for the BCS Crown?  Would Kelly still have left his team in the lurch?  He is walking away from a squad that is on the verge of an undefeated season, playing the biggest game they ever had.  Yes, it is his "dream" job, but the fact remains that he spent the past 10 days or so lying to his team.  I don't believe for a second that the Irish didn't send him feelers prior to the Pitt game, and certainly afterwards, he had to know he was probably going, and yet he told his players otherwise.  Maybe I am being naive, but when I heard Kelly on ESPN (on a web replay) saying that this was being handled with "integrity", I almost had to laugh.  Just read his player's quotes in tonight's news reports.  

I choose to believe that Fitz would never do this kind of thing and that if he ever decided to leave NU--God help us--he would be up-front about it. Kelly is a great coach and yes, possibly a miracle worker, but he is far, very far, from being a great man.  I choose to believe that Fitz is both.  I really think his parents raised him right, and that his NU education just built on a very solid foundation.  He is class personified, and emboides everything that is good and true about NU.  I cannot imagine him walking away from his "young men" like Kelly just did.   President Schapiro and the Board of Trustees must make every effort to keep his compensation package competititive and to provide the ancillary things (like good pay for assistant coaches and upgrading facilities as needed) to go the extra miles (not just mile) to keep Fitz clothed in Purple Pride.  He is truly a rare breed, and we are so lucky to have him.  Coach Walker's death was a true tragedy, but he left a legacy in a program that was on the rise and he left us Fitz as his most worthy and honorable successor to carry the 'Cats to greater heights.

By the way, I'd love to see Fitz challenge his fellow Irish-American to a home and home series (South Bend & Evanston) in the next few years.  Or one game--winner take all--at Soldier Field.  

See you in Tampa.  Go 'Cats!  Go Fitz!

Paul Levinson





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Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2009 9:45 pm
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It'll be a far cry from Faust who came from a Cincinnati high school, not a 
niversity. I think that what Kelly accomplished at Cincinnati -- turning a joke 
f a program into a good one -- was nothing short of a miracle, and I think 
e'll be a good fit for ND. As long as ND didn't go after Fitz, it's fine with 
e. - Jim
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires  
rianKelly as New Coach

Last time they hired a guy connected with cinncinati The Domers were 
isappointed with 31-26 Gerry Faust.  Let's hope kelly last less than 5 years 
ue to performance

Harry
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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Dec 11 08:04:25 2009
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Date: Fri Dec 11 08:04:34 2009
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 08:23:25 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Dec 11 08:25:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires 
	BrianKell y as New Coach
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Note that Kelly didn't outright lie when it came to the Notre Dame job - in
all of his comments, he left the door open to future contact and for the
most part focused on his current job since Cincy had a game the last week of
the season to worry about.  His comments were nowhere close to, say, Saban
at Miami (NFL) where he blatantly lied about the Alabama job before taking
it.  Kelly was a politician earlier in life and obviously knows how to
handle himself well - that in itself will be a big departure from the last
guy at ND.

Regarding Barnett, this piece by Haugh in the Trib is a must read as it goes
into the details behind the predicament many of these coaches are in when it
comes to movement:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-09-haugh-notre-dame-dec09,0,879702.column

It says that Barnett told the team he was staying AFTER Colorado had decided
on Kubiak.  Then Kubiak decided to stay in the NFL, Colorado came back to
Barnett, and the rest was history.

And today things are even worse with the rise of the mobile internet,
texting, and twitter that make communications to large numbers of people
truly instant.  So, everyone expects to hear something as soon as anyone
knows anything.  That puts quite a burden on these coaches who are fellow
human beings and have to make important decisions that affect their own
lives more than anyone else's.

Blatantly lying isn't the way to go, but there's no way a coach can keep it
all under wraps.  I think Kelly handled it the best way he could, and don't
tell me if you were a coach that you wouldn't move from a school that was
paying you in the six digits with little tradition and a stadium that holds
about 30,000 to one that will pay you over double your current salary with
the biggest tradition in college football and a stadium that holds 80,000+
and has been sold out hundreds of consecutive games (not to mention the
other resources that are available).  I dislike ND as much as the next guy,
but I can't blame Kelly.

Jonathan

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:23 AM, mlinhardt@netzero.com <
mlinhardt@netzero.com> wrote:

> Maybe I missed some of it, but from what I read Kelly was the #1 realistic
> candidate as of a month ago.  I think most of his players truly knew that
> if/when Weiss was fired Kelly was going.
>
> With GB I don't begrudge him at all for leaving just the way he left.  Once
> a coach flirts and this flirtation becomes public he MUST go.  GB destroyed
> at least 1 full season of NU football and possibly 2 or 3 with the recruit
> meddling.  I think this is why many people dislike him.  I don't think Utah
> fans hate Urban Meyer due to the fact he was offerred and he left without
> being wishy-washy like GB.
>
> My belief in regard to the team in south bend is that put out feelers and
> only Kelly responded.  This does not say much for that program.  Kelly could
> be a Tressel-like coach, which would be good for them, but bad for the rest
> of the world.  OTOH the Tressel aspects maybe don't translate where there
> are still some academic requirements.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> As I read more about the circumstances of Kelly's hire and departure from
> Cincy, I am saddened and angry at the way this played out.  And this is
> coming from someone who enjoyed watching him and felt he is a tremendous
> coach.  What if Colt McCoy had held the ball another second, and the
> Bearcats would have been paired with 'Bama for the BCS Crown?  Would Kelly
> still have left his team in the lurch?  He is walking away from a squad that
> is on the verge of an undefeated season, playing the biggest game they ever
> had.  Yes, it is his "dream" job, but the fact remains that he spent the
> past 10 days or so lying to his team.  I don't believe for a second that the
> Irish didn't send him feelers prior to the Pitt game, and certainly
> afterwards, he had to know he was probably going, and yet he told his
> players otherwise.  Maybe I am being naive, but when I heard Kelly on ESPN
> (on a web replay) saying that this was being handled with "integrity", I
> almost had to laugh.  Just read his p!
>  layer's quotes in tonight's news reports.
>
> I choose to believe that Fitz would never do this kind of thing and that if
> he ever decided to leave NU--God help us--he would be up-front about it.
> Kelly is a great coach and yes, possibly a miracle worker, but he is far,
> very far, from being a great man.  I choose to believe that Fitz is both.  I
> really think his parents raised him right, and that his NU education just
> built on a very solid foundation.  He is class personified, and emboides
> everything that is good and true about NU.  I cannot imagine him walking
> away from his "young men" like Kelly just did.   President Schapiro and the
> Board of Trustees must make every effort to keep his compensation package
> competititive and to provide the ancillary things (like good pay for
> assistant coaches and upgrading facilities as needed) to go the extra miles
> (not just mile) to keep Fitz clothed in Purple Pride.  He is truly a rare
> breed, and we are so lucky to have him.  Coach Walker's death was a true
> tragedy, but he left a lega!
>  cy in a program that was on the rise and he left us Fitz as his most
> worthy and honorable successor to carry the 'Cats to greater heights.
>
> By the way, I'd love to see Fitz challenge his fellow Irish-American to a
> home and home series (South Bend & Evanston) in the next few years.  Or one
> game--winner take all--at Soldier Field.
>
> See you in Tampa.  Go 'Cats!  Go Fitz!
>
> Paul Levinson
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2009 9:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
> BrianKelly as New Coach
>
>
> It'll be a far cry from Faust who came from a Cincinnati high school, not a
> niversity. I think that what Kelly accomplished at Cincinnati -- turning a
> joke
> f a program into a good one -- was nothing short of a miracle, and I think
> e'll be a good fit for ND. As long as ND didn't go after Fitz, it's fine
> with
> e. - Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hakirsch@aol.com
> Sent: Dec 10, 2009 6:58 PM
> To: "Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)" <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>,
> wu-sports-bounces@tssi.com, nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
> rianKelly as New Coach
>
> Last time they hired a guy connected with cinncinati The Domers were
> isappointed with 31-26 Gerry Faust.  Let's hope kelly last less than 5
> years
> ue to performance
>
> Harry
> ------Original Message------
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> Notre Dame Hires Brian Kelly as New Coach
>
> Cincinnati Coach Brian Kelly will be introduced as Notre
> Dame's next coach at a news conference in South Bend, Ind.,
> on Friday.
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Fri Dec 11 09:27:25 2009
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Fri Dec 11 09:28:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires BrianKell
	y as New Coach
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I was wondering whether someone would bring up the Tribune article; 
thanks Jonathan.

I don't see the dishonesty here. While I didn't follow the story 
religiously, every impression I got from Kelly was that he was quite 
interested in the Notre Dame job and would certainly take it if offered. 
He seemed to make it quite obvious, so I have to wonder how anyone could 
be surprised. Not being overly sharing isn't the same as lying. He was 
certainly hedging his bets when he talked about loving Cincinnati and 
coaching there, but that's what most people do when thinking about 
changing jobs. The difference is that most other people (even 
billionaire CEOs) aren't continuously accosted in public with direct 
questions about their job situations.

That said, I don't at all blame any of his players for being upset or 
feeling betrayed. It's a natural and perfectly understandable reaction, 
though I'd be interested to see whether any of the more vocal players 
ever decide to leave school early for a "job change" to the NFL.


Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu

From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Dec 11 10:14:16 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 11 10:13:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
	BrianKell y as N...
Message-ID: <bcb.62c3660b.3853c9d8@aol.com>

Eric,
 
What really bothers me here is ND grabbing him now, and Kelly not coaching  
the bowl game with his team--i.e., finishing the job (the season).  Let ND  
sacrifice a little on the recruiting end, and wait patiently, so that Kelly 
can  at least give Cincy a chance for an undefeated, magical season.  This 
way  Cincy gets the raw end all around, while the Domers get their cake and 
eat  it.  If they want to grab a coach who is under contract, then they 
should  have to yield something in return.  I think that the NCAA should adopt a 
 rule that says no poaching of any coach under contract until that coach 
has  concluded a season with his or her team (including post-season 
tournaments and  bowls).  I know it would be somewhat difficult to work and enforce, 
but it  would give the student-athletes a better shake than they now have and 
 more parity with their coaches.  They can't transfer schools without  
sacrificing a year usually.  Why should coaches have it so much  easier?
 
Paul Levinson
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 11 10:37:44 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Fri Dec 11 10:37:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
	BrianKell y as N...
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Message-ID: <374681.25817.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> What really bothers me here is ND grabbing him now, and
> Kelly not coaching? the bowl game with his team--i.e., finishing the job (theseason).? Let ND?sacrifice a little on the recruiting end, and wait
> patiently, so that Kelly  can? at least give Cincy a chance for an undefeated, magical season.? 

I can't imagine that Cincy would want him to stay. Forget about ND recruiting, what about Cincy recruiting? You want a head coach who's on his way somewhere else trying to convince kids to come to Cincy? I think not. 

>  rule that says no poaching of any coach under contract
> until that coach has? concluded a season with his or her team
> (including post-season tournaments and? bowls).? 

It sounds good in principle, but again has huge recruiting implications. 

Tom


From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Dec 11 10:53:37 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Dec 11 10:53:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
Message-ID: <200912111653.nBBGrb7o022003@romaine.tssi.com>

> If they want to grab a coach who is under contract, then they 
> should  have to yield something in return.  I think that the NCAA should adopt a 
>  rule that says no poaching of any coach under contract until that coach 
> has  concluded a season with his or her team (including post-season 
> tournaments and  bowls).  I know it would be somewhat difficult to work and enforce, 
> but it  would give the student-athletes a better shake than they now have and 
>  more parity with their coaches.  They can't transfer schools without  
> sacrificing a year usually.  Why should coaches have it so much  easier?

Paul, I thought you worked in entertainment law, where a contract is just a piece of
paper.  

I haven't seen any reports yet as to whether Kelly has an escape clause in his contract
at Cincy or if there will be a RichRod-like dispute over the termination penalty.  

BTW, I do agree with you that the NCAA should give athletes more latitude in terms of
transferring, especially after a change in head coaches.  Far too many schools treat
their student-athletes like indentured servants, at best.  At least recruits don't sign
their letters of intent until February, so they're not legally bound prior to then to go 
to a school that is changing coaches.  (However, if they don't have their letters of
application and other paperwork in, it might be too late to change schools now.)  
--
Mike Nolan

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Dec 11 10:54:13 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Dec 11 10:54:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame HiresBrianKell
	y as N...
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I understand the intent, but the discussion seems a little upside down
to me.

Each institution has the opportunity to cover these situations in the
contracts they negotiate with key people like head football coaches.  If
they don't want their coaches to leave "early" or in other ways seek to
restrict the coaches ability to seek a new job, they have the ability to
build terms through incentives or penalties to do that.

At the same time, if my employer was seeking to limit my ability to seek
other employment, I'm certainly going to look for penalties to protect
me from early termination or other failures of the institution to
provide me the tools I need to be successful.

As far as timing, I've always thought it best for my employees who have
made a choice to go elsewhere, to do that quickly.  So, in this
particular case, Cincy needs to move quickly to fill this vacancy and
the players have to move forward as well.  Keeping a lame duck coach
around in an effort to sooth hurt feelings only delays this healing
process.  It also introduces a whole set of other issues regarding
current staff, players, and recruits which are minimized by Kelly's
quick exit.  Similarly, Kelly needs to get on with the job of being the
ND coach, assembling his staff, and recruiting the next class of ND
players.  He can't do that in Cincinnati.   

Jeff


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Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 11:14 AM
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Eric,
 
What really bothers me here is ND grabbing him now, and Kelly not
coaching the bowl game with his team--i.e., finishing the job (the
season).  Let ND sacrifice a little on the recruiting end, and wait
patiently, so that Kelly can  at least give Cincy a chance for an
undefeated, magical season.  This way  Cincy gets the raw end all
around, while the Domers get their cake and eat  it.  If they want to
grab a coach who is under contract, then they should  have to yield
something in return.  I think that the NCAA should adopt a  rule that
says no poaching of any coach under contract until that coach has
concluded a season with his or her team (including post-season
tournaments and  bowls).  I know it would be somewhat difficult to work
and enforce, but it  would give the student-athletes a better shake than
they now have and  more parity with their coaches.  They can't transfer
schools without sacrificing a year usually.  Why should coaches have it
so much  easier?
 
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Dec 11 11:32:40 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 11 11:33:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame HiresBrianKell
	y as N...
Message-ID: <d4e.64011a1c.3853dc38@aol.com>

All of you who weighed in are right on many of the responses you  gave.  In 
some sense I was trying to prompt a discussion.  However,  the imbalance 
between how coaches are treated and how players are treated once  their coach 
bolts is just abysmal.  Having read some of the responsive  posts, I now see 
that my "solution" may be unworkable.  Nonetheless, if  Cincy were playing 
for the BCS Title, and Kelly were going to ND leaving his  team to play for 
the crown without him, this situation would prompt a national  outcry.
 
Paul Levinson
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 11 11:41:58 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Fri Dec 11 11:42:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame HiresBrianKell
	y as N...
In-Reply-To: <d4e.64011a1c.3853dc38@aol.com>
Message-ID: <656887.30938.qm@web33105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> However,? the imbalance 
> between how coaches are treated and how players are treated
> once? their coach bolts is just abysmal.

Agree 100%. Tough call, though. If you allow students to transfer if the coaches leave, that's hard on the jilted school. For example, should all the Cincy players be able to bolt Cincy for ND? 

I do think players should be able to transfer immediately if a school *fires* the coach they signed on to play for. 


>  and Kelly were going to ND leaving
> his? team to play for  the crown without him, this situation would prompt
>  a national? outcry.

And that was literally 1 second from happening. That would have put Kelly and ND in very, very interesting situation. 

And boy, do I wish it had happened. (Ndamukong Suh for Heisman!!!)

Tom




From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Fri Dec 11 11:46:32 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Fri Dec 11 11:46:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame HiresBrianKell
	y as N...
In-Reply-To: <d4e.64011a1c.3853dc38@aol.com>
References: <d4e.64011a1c.3853dc38@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA03228FE8@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

It would have been interesting if that last second had come off the
clock in Dallas before the ball hit the ground.
 
The BCS would have crumbled and the head coach of one of the teams
potentially playing for the national championship could have announced
that he didn't plan to coach that game.
 
Wow.  
 
That might have been enough to push Tiger off the front page.
 
That also might have been enough to prod congress into passing the
anti-BCS bill that gets introduced every year.
 
Jeff
 


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HiresBrianKell y as N...


All of you who weighed in are right on many of the responses you gave.
In some sense I was trying to prompt a discussion.  However, the
imbalance between how coaches are treated and how players are treated
once their coach bolts is just abysmal.  Having read some of the
responsive posts, I now see that my "solution" may be unworkable.
Nonetheless, if Cincy were playing for the BCS Title, and Kelly were
going to ND leaving his team to play for the crown without him, this
situation would prompt a national outcry.
 
Paul Levinson

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Dec 11 11:54:18 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Dec 11 11:54:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame HiresBrianKell
In-Reply-To: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA03228FE8@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	from "Beamsley, Jeff" at Dec 11, 2009 12:46:32 PM
Message-ID: <200912111754.nBBHsI58022414@romaine.tssi.com>

> That also might have been enough to prod congress into passing the
> anti-BCS bill that gets introduced every year.

This year's flavor of that bill made it out of the subcommittee earlier this week, but
it's likely to die in committee.  Nice to know our Congresscritters have no other problems
to deal with, isn't it?
--
Mike Nolan 

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Dec 11 12:32:12 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri Dec 11 12:33:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] stories today on 2 NU alums in sports broadcasting
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301357F1C@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705350800/Sager-likes-to-add-color-to-games.html

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/dec/11/1s11mediacol/


>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

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Producer
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From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Fri Dec 11 12:56:00 2009
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Fri Dec 11 12:56:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
	BrianKell y as New Coach
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270912110623m70a34ebfqf530ad35289be55a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091211.062338.14511.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com>
	<fcb3ee270912110623m70a34ebfqf530ad35289be55a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17363.4651.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

By all reports, Kelly's Cincinnati players seem to have pretty hard feelings about how he handled this.? It will be interesting to see how that plays out against Florida.




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From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
To: "mlinhardt@netzero.com" <mlinhardt@netzero.com>
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 8:23:25 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] >From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires BrianKell y as New Coach

Note that Kelly didn't outright lie when it came to the Notre Dame job - in
all of his comments, he left the door open to future contact and for the
most part focused on his current job since Cincy had a game the last week of
the season to worry about.? His comments were nowhere close to, say, Saban
at Miami (NFL) where he blatantly lied about the Alabama job before taking
it.? Kelly was a politician earlier in life and obviously knows how to
handle himself well - that in itself will be a big departure from the last
guy at ND.

Regarding Barnett, this piece by Haugh in the Trib is a must read as it goes
into the details behind the predicament many of these coaches are in when it
comes to movement:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-09-haugh-notre-dame-dec09,0,879702.column

It says that Barnett told the team he was staying AFTER Colorado had decided
on Kubiak.? Then Kubiak decided to stay in the NFL, Colorado came back to
Barnett, and the rest was history.

And today things are even worse with the rise of the mobile internet,
texting, and twitter that make communications to large numbers of people
truly instant.? So, everyone expects to hear something as soon as anyone
knows anything.? That puts quite a burden on these coaches who are fellow
human beings and have to make important decisions that affect their own
lives more than anyone else's.

Blatantly lying isn't the way to go, but there's no way a coach can keep it
all under wraps.? I think Kelly handled it the best way he could, and don't
tell me if you were a coach that you wouldn't move from a school that was
paying you in the six digits with little tradition and a stadium that holds
about 30,000 to one that will pay you over double your current salary with
the biggest tradition in college football and a stadium that holds 80,000+
and has been sold out hundreds of consecutive games (not to mention the
other resources that are available).? I dislike ND as much as the next guy,
but I can't blame Kelly.

Jonathan

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:23 AM, mlinhardt@netzero.com <
mlinhardt@netzero.com> wrote:

> Maybe I missed some of it, but from what I read Kelly was the #1 realistic
> candidate as of a month ago.? I think most of his players truly knew that
> if/when Weiss was fired Kelly was going.
>
> With GB I don't begrudge him at all for leaving just the way he left.? Once
> a coach flirts and this flirtation becomes public he MUST go.? GB destroyed
> at least 1 full season of NU football and possibly 2 or 3 with the recruit
> meddling.? I think this is why many people dislike him.? I don't think Utah
> fans hate Urban Meyer due to the fact he was offerred and he left without
> being wishy-washy like GB.
>
> My belief in regard to the team in south bend is that put out feelers and
> only Kelly responded.? This does not say much for that program.? Kelly could
> be a Tressel-like coach, which would be good for them, but bad for the rest
> of the world.? OTOH the Tressel aspects maybe don't translate where there
> are still some academic requirements.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> As I read more about the circumstances of Kelly's hire and departure from
> Cincy, I am saddened and angry at the way this played out.? And this is
> coming from someone who enjoyed watching him and felt he is a tremendous
> coach.? What if Colt McCoy had held the ball another second, and the
> Bearcats would have been paired with 'Bama for the BCS Crown?? Would Kelly
> still have left his team in the lurch?? He is walking away from a squad that
> is on the verge of an undefeated season, playing the biggest game they ever
> had.? Yes, it is his "dream" job, but the fact remains that he spent the
> past 10 days or so lying to his team.? I don't believe for a second that the
> Irish didn't send him feelers prior to the Pitt game, and certainly
> afterwards, he had to know he was probably going, and yet he told his
> players otherwise.? Maybe I am being naive, but when I heard Kelly on ESPN
> (on a web replay) saying that this was being handled with "integrity", I
> almost had to laugh.? Just read his p!
>? layer's quotes in tonight's news reports.
>
> I choose to believe that Fitz would never do this kind of thing and that if
> he ever decided to leave NU--God help us--he would be up-front about it.
> Kelly is a great coach and yes, possibly a miracle worker, but he is far,
> very far, from being a great man.? I choose to believe that Fitz is both.? I
> really think his parents raised him right, and that his NU education just
> built on a very solid foundation.? He is class personified, and emboides
> everything that is good and true about NU.? I cannot imagine him walking
> away from his "young men" like Kelly just did.? President Schapiro and the
> Board of Trustees must make every effort to keep his compensation package
> competititive and to provide the ancillary things (like good pay for
> assistant coaches and upgrading facilities as needed) to go the extra miles
> (not just mile) to keep Fitz clothed in Purple Pride.? He is truly a rare
> breed, and we are so lucky to have him.? Coach Walker's death was a true
> tragedy, but he left a lega!
>? cy in a program that was on the rise and he left us Fitz as his most
> worthy and honorable successor to carry the 'Cats to greater heights.
>
> By the way, I'd love to see Fitz challenge his fellow Irish-American to a
> home and home series (South Bend & Evanston) in the next few years.? Or one
> game--winner take all--at Soldier Field.
>
> See you in Tampa.? Go 'Cats!? Go Fitz!
>
> Paul Levinson
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2009 9:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
> BrianKelly as New Coach
>
>
> It'll be a far cry from Faust who came from a Cincinnati high school, not a
> niversity. I think that what Kelly accomplished at Cincinnati -- turning a
> joke
> f a program into a good one -- was nothing short of a miracle, and I think
> e'll be a good fit for ND. As long as ND didn't go after Fitz, it's fine
> with
> e. - Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hakirsch@aol.com
> Sent: Dec 10, 2009 6:58 PM
> To: "Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)" <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>,
> wu-sports-bounces@tssi.com, nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
> rianKelly as New Coach
>
> Last time they hired a guy connected with cinncinati The Domers were
> isappointed with 31-26 Gerry Faust.? Let's hope kelly last less than 5
> years
> ue to performance
>
> Harry
> ------Original Message------
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> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
> BrianKelly as
> ew Coach
> Sent: Dec 10, 2009 2:54 PM
>
> Breaking News Alert
> The New York Times
> Thu, December 10, 2009 -- 5:42 PM ET
> -----
>
> Notre Dame Hires Brian Kelly as New Coach
>
> Cincinnati Coach Brian Kelly will be introduced as Notre
> Dame's next coach at a news conference in South Bend, Ind.,
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Fri Dec 11 15:05:43 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Fri Dec 11 15:07:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Zook back, but staff overhauled
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301357F23@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/8176/illinois-overhauls-coaching-staff

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 11 15:22:12 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Fri Dec 11 15:22:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] lister get together
Message-ID: <14240583.1260566532691.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

9am on Jan. 1 would be okay, too - obviously, it would be outside the stadium somewhere. One idea might be right near the NU Alumni Tailgate - they're charging $65 for a morning tailgate! I think our nearby freebie might make a lot more sense! - Jim

-----Original Message-----
>From: hakirsch@aol.com
>Sent: Dec 11, 2009 1:13 AM
>To: Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>, nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com, nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] lister get together
>
>Question
>
>Does anyone think we might get more of us at 9 in the morning the day of the game ? (Hungover and all ?). If yes the problem would be where ? If not then jim's suggestion might be the best.  I would suggest we wear a name tag with our email address
>
>Harry
>------Original Message------
>From: Jim Bendat
>Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] lister get together
>Sent: Dec 10, 2009 9:35 PM
>
>Have we picked a place yet? I like this suggestion that we do it at the Marriott Waterside. What do people think?! - Jim
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
>>Sent: Dec 7, 2009 9:29 PM
>>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>>Subject: [NU Sports] lister get together
>>
>>I am all for meeting at the tailgate but it is for breakfast after all,  
>>maybe we can also meet at the champions sports bar in the Marriott waterside  
>>(official team hotel) after the game. It is a nice big place, I usually 
>>party  there after Gasperilla.
>
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 11 15:24:47 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Fri Dec 11 15:25:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Zook back, but staff overhauled
Message-ID: <11884445.1260566687405.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Zook staying at Illinois is almost as good news as Fitz staying at NU.


-----Original Message-----
>From: "Weinbaum, Willie" <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>
>Sent: Dec 11, 2009 4:05 PM
>To: "'nwu-sports@tssi.com'" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>Subject: [NU Sports] Zook back, but staff overhauled
>
>http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/8176/illinois-overhauls-coaching-staff
>
>>From Blackberry - please excuse typos
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From martinitis at aol.com  Fri Dec 11 18:45:10 2009
From: martinitis at aol.com (Louis. Martinaitis)
Date: Fri Dec 11 18:45:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] lister get together
In-Reply-To: <14240583.1260566532691.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <14240583.1260566532691.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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That sounds good to me....wouldn't mind saving 100 bucks. But wouldn't  
mind early new years eve either? that's amateur nite in my book and a  
quiet, get together with you guys @ the waterside bar sounds good to  
me. Audra and I are on either way.

Lou

Sent from my iPod

On Dec 11, 2009, at 1:22 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:

> 9am on Jan. 1 would be okay, too - obviously, it would be outside  
> the stadium somewhere. One idea might be right near the NU Alumni  
> Tailgate - they're charging $65 for a morning tailgate! I think our  
> nearby freebie might make a lot more sense! - Jim
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hakirsch@aol.com
>> Sent: Dec 11, 2009 1:13 AM
>> To: Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>, nwu-sports- 
>> bounces@tssi.com, nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] lister get together
>>
>> Question
>>
>> Does anyone think we might get more of us at 9 in the morning the  
>> day of the game ? (Hungover and all ?). If yes the problem would be  
>> where ? If not then jim's suggestion might be the best.  I would  
>> suggest we wear a name tag with our email address
>>
>> Harry
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Jim Bendat
>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
>> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] lister get together
>> Sent: Dec 10, 2009 9:35 PM
>>
>> Have we picked a place yet? I like this suggestion that we do it at  
>> the Marriott Waterside. What do people think?! - Jim
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
>>> Sent: Dec 7, 2009 9:29 PM
>>> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>>> Subject: [NU Sports] lister get together
>>>
>>> I am all for meeting at the tailgate but it is for breakfast after  
>>> all,
>>> maybe we can also meet at the champions sports bar in the Marriott  
>>> waterside
>>> (official team hotel) after the game. It is a nice big place, I  
>>> usually
>>> party  there after Gasperilla.
>>
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 11 20:08:16 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Fri Dec 11 20:08:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame HiresBrianKell
	y as N...
In-Reply-To: <d4e.64011a1c.3853dc38@aol.com>
References: <d4e.64011a1c.3853dc38@aol.com>
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If the NCAA can mandate a specific day in February for signing recruits, it could mandate Jan. 10th (after the BCS championship game) as the national signing date for coaching changes. Yes, it would mess with recruiting some (for one year) but that isn't the end of the world. The NCAA could also impose a 2-scholarship tax if you hire a coach before his season is 100% over (take two scholarships away for the coach's first year).

Unless there is some reason I'm unaware of, national signing day could be pushed further out into the spring. I assume the current date is designed to let the coaching staff focus on spring ball. I wish it could be mid-April to prevent the scenarios where kids finish high school early and attend spring ball. 

However, this isn't a problem that the NCAA wants to fix, so I don't expect to see changes. 

Go Cats!
Jim




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To: Jeff.Beamsley@covisint.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 11:32:40 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame HiresBrianKell y as N...

All of you who weighed in are right on many of the responses you  gave.  In 
some sense I was trying to prompt a discussion.  However,  the imbalance 
between how coaches are treated and how players are treated once  their coach 
bolts is just abysmal.  Having read some of the responsive  posts, I now see 
that my "solution" may be unworkable.  Nonetheless, if  Cincy were playing 
for the BCS Title, and Kelly were going to ND leaving his  team to play for 
the crown without him, this situation would prompt a national  outcry.

Paul Levinson
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 11 21:10:32 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Dec 11 21:10:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
In-Reply-To: <200912111653.nBBGrb7o022003@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <186028.88346.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The whole situation just stinks all around.

Gonna be hard for players to buy into attending ND now - with the Irish being the most trigger-happy BCS program over the past decade and with a coach who seems to give his word lightly. If one side doesn't get you, the other will.:)

Saw some of the interviews and Kelly seemed to ooze arrogance and not really care much about the mess he left -- reports said he even waited until the end of the banquet to tell him. I don't blame the players for coming out and laying into him. Good for them!:)

At least it won't be difficult to hate the Irish any less now that smug Charlie is gone.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Agree on how the NCAA can simply stop this by placing a date when coaches cannot be interviewed until - much like the NFL.

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Dec 11 21:11:16 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 11 21:11:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] lister get together
Message-ID: <bfa.53b81de1.385463d4@aol.com>

Maybe we can get together somewhere in the stadium as soon as they open the 
 gates, probably 90 minutes or an hour prior to the kickoff, or at 
halftime, or  after the game somewhere still in the stadium, plus a get together at 
the  Marriott after the game. The bar there is huge with lots of giant  TVs
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Dec 11 21:18:41 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 11 21:18:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] tickets
Message-ID: <d34.601e0b0a.38546591@aol.com>

I guess I should have waited to buy my tickets, in my excitement I got a  
couple of third row, section 108 tickets for $170 each, I just bought a 
couple  of tickets for my buddy from Chicago in row two, section 108 for $38 
each. Face  value is $70, I wonder if ticket sales are that bad on the NU  side?
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 11:55:29 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sat Dec 12 11:56:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
In-Reply-To: <186028.88346.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <200912111653.nBBGrb7o022003@romaine.tssi.com> 
	<186028.88346.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270912120955m412611a4w7c01ca6f527c62e1@mail.gmail.com>

Regarding the college football coaching movement issues being discussed, I
agree with those who say this is best handled in the contracts of the
individual coaches, not by some overarching NCAA mandate (which, in fact,
may not have any legal standing).  Unlike the amateur student-athletes on
the field, the coaches are professionals and should have some freedom to
move around, just as most of us do in our professions.  They are under
enough public scrutiny already and have a big check/balance already: media
scrutiny, which very few other professions have to deal with.

If a school doesn't want a coach interviewing elsewhere or leaving, put
penalties in the contract.  See Boston College, who fired their head coach a
year ago after he interviewed for an NFL gig in direct opposition to his
contract and administration's wishes.  Put a penalty in the contract, like
Rich Rodriguez's at West Virginia, and force them to pay millions back to
the school.

While it's unfortunate that some students can't stick with their preferred
coach, it's just a fact of life.  If the NCAA removed that rule it would
create a huge headache, especially for the players who are already at the
new school.  For those complaining that college football is semi-pro as it
is, removing the one year transfer rule would make it even worse.

The biggest problem is that there is way too much emotion involved in
college football for people (players, fans) to act rationally about such a
move, which typically isn't the case in corporate America where such moves
happen all the time.

Jonathan

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:10 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
<sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:

> The whole situation just stinks all around.
>
> Gonna be hard for players to buy into attending ND now - with the Irish
> being the most trigger-happy BCS program over the past decade and with a
> coach who seems to give his word lightly. If one side doesn't get you, the
> other will.:)
>
> Saw some of the interviews and Kelly seemed to ooze arrogance and not
> really care much about the mess he left -- reports said he even waited until
> the end of the banquet to tell him. I don't blame the players for coming out
> and laying into him. Good for them!:)
>
> At least it won't be difficult to hate the Irish any less now that smug
> Charlie is gone.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> PS - Agree on how the NCAA can simply stop this by placing a date when
> coaches cannot be interviewed until - much like the NFL.
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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>
From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 15:14:57 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Sat Dec 12 15:15:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
Message-ID: <9a9d92d30912121314y7116268t8bac7bf5f4ac7230@mail.gmail.com>

The morning of the game, from 8:15 to 10:15, there is a VIP brunch
tailgate in a tent next to the stadium. I believe it was initially
invitation only, for local swells and sponsors. Perhaps some sponsor
got too many tickets, because tickets to the event are now selling for
$14 apiece on this website. Per report, event will have NUMB, Willie,
NU cheerleaders (and all the Auburn equivalents); a full brunch, and
alcohol -- all you can eat or drink -- for about the price of a beer
and a hot dog inside the stadium.

Several of us already have tickets for this bargain -- if some other
folks on the list come as well, perhaps we can stake out a corner of
the tent just for us. Probably better than trying to meet up under a
flagpole with a sub sandwich and a roadie!

Perhaps it will not be great, but I'm willing to bet $14, especially
with the NU alumni event at $65.

Link to the site is just below. Either respond by the list or you can
email me directly if you plan on going.

Scott Zeller MD
Med '86

Section: TAILGATE Row: VIP
PRIVATE FULLY CATERED PRIVATE PREGAME TENT - ALL YOU CAN EAT AND DRINK
- PREMIUM HOT/COLD FOOD/ALCHOL/DESERTS INCLUDED - TEAM
BANDS/CHEERLEADERS/MASCOTS ON .E - NOT A GAME TIX OR PARKING PASS

Link: http://quicktixx.com/ResultsTicket.aspx?evtid=1049428

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 16:11:52 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Mark S. Ament)
Date: Sat Dec 12 16:13:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270912120955m412611a4w7c01ca6f527c62e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4b24153e.48c3f10a.36ab.ffffe4e2@mx.google.com>

Don't know if NCAA could enforce a hiring date. ?I suspect there would be siignificant problems with that. ?However, one change which would go a long way towards minimizing this pre-bowl musical chairs would be to move the recruits signing date back one month. ?One of the primary reasons schools need to get a new coach as soon as possible is to get a jump on recruiting since signing date is first week of February.

Just saw Charlie Strong introduced to a wildly adoring Freedom Hall crowd. ?I know it's a little different with assistants but he's going back and forth during December and will coach the Florida defense in the Sugar Bowl. ?Louisville thought it would be good free press.

Mark


Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz@gmail.com


--sent from my Palm Pre

Jonathan Hodges wrote:

Regarding the college football coaching movement issues being discussed, I

agree with those who say this is best handled in the contracts of the

individual coaches, not by some overarching NCAA mandate (which, in fact,

may not have any legal standing).  Unlike the amateur student-athletes on

the field, the coaches are professionals and should have some freedom to

move around, just as most of us do in our professions.  They are under

enough public scrutiny already and have a big check/balance already: media

scrutiny, which very few other professions have to deal with.



If a school doesn't want a coach interviewing elsewhere or leaving, put

penalties in the contract.  See Boston College, who fired their head coach a

year ago after he interviewed for an NFL gig in direct opposition to his

contract and administration's wishes.  Put a penalty in the contract, like

Rich Rodriguez's at West Virginia, and force them to pay millions back to

the school.



While it's unfortunate that some students can't stick with their preferred

coach, it's just a fact of life.  If the NCAA removed that rule it would

create a huge headache, especially for the players who are already at the

new school.  For those complaining that college football is semi-pro as it

is, removing the one year transfer rule would make it even worse.



The biggest problem is that there is way too much emotion involved in

college football for people (players, fans) to act rationally about such a

move, which typically isn't the case in corporate America where such moves

happen all the time.



Jonathan



On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 9:10 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)

&lt;sjtruog@yahoo.com>wrote:



> The whole situation just stinks all around.

>

> Gonna be hard for players to buy into attending ND now - with the Irish

> being the most trigger-happy BCS program over the past decade and with a

> coach who seems to give his word lightly. If one side doesn't get you, the

> other will.:)

>

> Saw some of the interviews and Kelly seemed to ooze arrogance and not

> really care much about the mess he left -- reports said he even waited until

> the end of the banquet to tell him. I don't blame the players for coming out

> and laying into him. Good for them!:)

>

> At least it won't be difficult to hate the Irish any less now that smug

> Charlie is gone.

>

> GO CATS!!!

> -SjT

>

> PS - Agree on how the NCAA can simply stop this by placing a date when

> coaches cannot be interviewed until - much like the NFL.

>

> * * * * * * * * *

> STEPHEN J. TRUOG

> sjtruog@yahoo.com

> GO CATS!!!

>

>

>

>

> _______________________________________________

> nwu-sports site list

> nwu-sports@tssi.com

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>

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Dec 12 16:42:33 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec 12 16:41:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
Message-ID: <c8e.4ba9d6d5.38557659@aol.com>

I got 4, sounds strange and there is some other vip brunch for $10, wonder  
what that is.
From mzilka at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 12 19:05:11 2009
From: mzilka at sbcglobal.net (Marilyn J Zilka)
Date: Sat Dec 12 19:05:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl Tickets
Message-ID: <481342.51680.qm@web83504.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I spoke to Jim Phillips before the football banquet today.

He said Auburn has already sold out their allotment.

NU sales for the first 3 days were double what they were last year at the same time.
Alumni Tour is sold out.

I know you can find cheaper seats through ticket brokers but he said our credibiity is on the line, so please buy your tickets through?the ticket office.
And if you can't make it to the game and you have the capability -- he asked that fans buy a ticket to donate to troops in the area.
And spread the word to every NU fan you know.

Jim did a heck of a job lobbying to get us there--let's not let him down!!!
From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Dec 12 21:10:43 2009
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Dec 12 21:11:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires	BrianKell
	y as New Coach
In-Reply-To: <17363.4651.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <20091211.062338.14511.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com>	<fcb3ee270912110623m70a34ebfqf530ad35289be55a@mail.gmail.com>
	<17363.4651.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B245B33.2090305@att.net>

The last team whose coach bolted just before they played Florida in a 
bowl game (MSU, 2000 Citrus Bowl) won that game.  Maybe it will be a trend.

-Michael

Evans Schoeman wrote:
> By all reports, Kelly's Cincinnati players seem to have pretty hard feelings about how he handled this.  It will be interesting to see how that plays out against Florida.
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
> To: "mlinhardt@netzero.com" <mlinhardt@netzero.com>
> Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Fri, December 11, 2009 8:23:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] >From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires BrianKell y as New Coach
>
> Note that Kelly didn't outright lie when it came to the Notre Dame job - in
> all of his comments, he left the door open to future contact and for the
> most part focused on his current job since Cincy had a game the last week of
> the season to worry about.  His comments were nowhere close to, say, Saban
> at Miami (NFL) where he blatantly lied about the Alabama job before taking
> it.  Kelly was a politician earlier in life and obviously knows how to
> handle himself well - that in itself will be a big departure from the last
> guy at ND.
>
> Regarding Barnett, this piece by Haugh in the Trib is a must read as it goes
> into the details behind the predicament many of these coaches are in when it
> comes to movement:
>
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/chi-09-haugh-notre-dame-dec09,0,879702.column
>
> It says that Barnett told the team he was staying AFTER Colorado had decided
> on Kubiak.  Then Kubiak decided to stay in the NFL, Colorado came back to
> Barnett, and the rest was history.
>
> And today things are even worse with the rise of the mobile internet,
> texting, and twitter that make communications to large numbers of people
> truly instant.  So, everyone expects to hear something as soon as anyone
> knows anything.  That puts quite a burden on these coaches who are fellow
> human beings and have to make important decisions that affect their own
> lives more than anyone else's.
>
> Blatantly lying isn't the way to go, but there's no way a coach can keep it
> all under wraps.  I think Kelly handled it the best way he could, and don't
> tell me if you were a coach that you wouldn't move from a school that was
> paying you in the six digits with little tradition and a stadium that holds
> about 30,000 to one that will pay you over double your current salary with
> the biggest tradition in college football and a stadium that holds 80,000+
> and has been sold out hundreds of consecutive games (not to mention the
> other resources that are available).  I dislike ND as much as the next guy,
> but I can't blame Kelly.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 6:23 AM, mlinhardt@netzero.com <
> mlinhardt@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> Maybe I missed some of it, but from what I read Kelly was the #1 realistic
>> candidate as of a month ago.  I think most of his players truly knew that
>> if/when Weiss was fired Kelly was going.
>>
>> With GB I don't begrudge him at all for leaving just the way he left.  Once
>> a coach flirts and this flirtation becomes public he MUST go.  GB destroyed
>> at least 1 full season of NU football and possibly 2 or 3 with the recruit
>> meddling.  I think this is why many people dislike him.  I don't think Utah
>> fans hate Urban Meyer due to the fact he was offerred and he left without
>> being wishy-washy like GB.
>>
>> My belief in regard to the team in south bend is that put out feelers and
>> only Kelly responded.  This does not say much for that program.  Kelly could
>> be a Tressel-like coach, which would be good for them, but bad for the rest
>> of the world.  OTOH the Tressel aspects maybe don't translate where there
>> are still some academic requirements.
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> As I read more about the circumstances of Kelly's hire and departure from
>> Cincy, I am saddened and angry at the way this played out.  And this is
>> coming from someone who enjoyed watching him and felt he is a tremendous
>> coach.  What if Colt McCoy had held the ball another second, and the
>> Bearcats would have been paired with 'Bama for the BCS Crown?  Would Kelly
>> still have left his team in the lurch?  He is walking away from a squad that
>> is on the verge of an undefeated season, playing the biggest game they ever
>> had.  Yes, it is his "dream" job, but the fact remains that he spent the
>> past 10 days or so lying to his team.  I don't believe for a second that the
>> Irish didn't send him feelers prior to the Pitt game, and certainly
>> afterwards, he had to know he was probably going, and yet he told his
>> players otherwise.  Maybe I am being naive, but when I heard Kelly on ESPN
>> (on a web replay) saying that this was being handled with "integrity", I
>> almost had to laugh.  Just read his p!
>>   layer's quotes in tonight's news reports.
>>
>> I choose to believe that Fitz would never do this kind of thing and that if
>> he ever decided to leave NU--God help us--he would be up-front about it.
>> Kelly is a great coach and yes, possibly a miracle worker, but he is far,
>> very far, from being a great man.  I choose to believe that Fitz is both.  I
>> really think his parents raised him right, and that his NU education just
>> built on a very solid foundation.  He is class personified, and emboides
>> everything that is good and true about NU.  I cannot imagine him walking
>> away from his "young men" like Kelly just did.  President Schapiro and the
>> Board of Trustees must make every effort to keep his compensation package
>> competititive and to provide the ancillary things (like good pay for
>> assistant coaches and upgrading facilities as needed) to go the extra miles
>> (not just mile) to keep Fitz clothed in Purple Pride.  He is truly a rare
>> breed, and we are so lucky to have him.  Coach Walker's death was a true
>> tragedy, but he left a lega!
>>   cy in a program that was on the rise and he left us Fitz as his most
>> worthy and honorable successor to carry the 'Cats to greater heights.
>>
>> By the way, I'd love to see Fitz challenge his fellow Irish-American to a
>> home and home series (South Bend & Evanston) in the next few years.  Or one
>> game--winner take all--at Soldier Field.
>>
>> See you in Tampa.  Go 'Cats!  Go Fitz!
>>
>> Paul Levinson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>
>> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> Sent: Thu, Dec 10, 2009 9:45 pm
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
>> BrianKelly as New Coach
>>
>>
>> It'll be a far cry from Faust who came from a Cincinnati high school, not a
>> niversity. I think that what Kelly accomplished at Cincinnati -- turning a
>> joke
>> f a program into a good one -- was nothing short of a miracle, and I think
>> e'll be a good fit for ND. As long as ND didn't go after Fitz, it's fine
>> with
>> e. - Jim
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: hakirsch@aol.com
>> Sent: Dec 10, 2009 6:58 PM
>> To: "Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)" <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>,
>> wu-sports-bounces@tssi.com, nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
>> rianKelly as New Coach
>>
>> Last time they hired a guy connected with cinncinati The Domers were
>> isappointed with 31-26 Gerry Faust.  Let's hope kelly last less than 5
>> years
>> ue to performance
>>
>> Harry
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)
>> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
>> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> Subject: [NU Sports] From the NYT -- News Alert: Notre Dame Hires
>> BrianKelly as
>> ew Coach
>> Sent: Dec 10, 2009 2:54 PM
>>
>> Breaking News Alert
>> The New York Times
>> Thu, December 10, 2009 -- 5:42 PM ET
>> -----
>>
>> Notre Dame Hires Brian Kelly as New Coach
>>
>> Cincinnati Coach Brian Kelly will be introduced as Notre
>> Dame's next coach at a news conference in South Bend, Ind.,
>> on Friday.
>>
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Dec 13 08:05:22 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec 13 08:04:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Telender
Message-ID: <d2e.53d073ae.38564ea2@aol.com>

Good take today on Kelly, N*D* and academics in college  football
From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sun Dec 13 12:29:19 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec 13 12:29:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] a little word on ticket sales (Outback)
In-Reply-To: <d2e.53d073ae.38564ea2@aol.com>
References: <d2e.53d073ae.38564ea2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC4A3951A6216F-150-1D790@webmail-d002.sysops.aol.com>


   I found a few paragraphs on ticket sales for our team.  It's at www.oanow.com; click on sports, click on college, click on link that says "Auburn sales humming along..."  
   It quotes our ticket manager (Mr. Mack)  saying sales are running 3 times better than we were doing at the same point last bowl season; I believe we are required to buy 11 (it may be 12) thousand tickets.  I believe this statement was written on Fri. Dec. 10.

            GO CATS!!          Eric



-----Original Message-----
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2009 9:05 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Telender


Good take today on Kelly, N*D* and academics in college  football
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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Sun Dec 13 13:48:41 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Sun Dec 13 13:51:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
Message-ID: <20091213.134841.727.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

Great catch.  We're in for 2.

They kill you with $15 for shipping and $2.95/ticket handling, but still a great value.

We will probably just do gen adm for parking as $parking cost + $15 + $3 seems expensive.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com>

The morning of the game, from 8:15 to 10:15, there is a VIP brunch
tailgate in a tent next to the stadium. I believe it was initially
invitation only, for local swells and sponsors. Perhaps some sponsor
got too many tickets, because tickets to the event are now selling for
$14 apiece on this website. Per report, event will have NUMB, Willie,
NU cheerleaders (and all the Auburn equivalents); a full brunch, and
alcohol -- all you can eat or drink -- for about the price of a beer
and a hot dog inside the stadium.

Several of us already have tickets for this bargain -- if some other
folks on the list come as well, perhaps we can stake out a corner of
the tent just for us. Probably better than trying to meet up under a
flagpole with a sub sandwich and a roadie!

Perhaps it will not be great, but I'm willing to bet $14, especially
with the NU alumni event at $65.

Link to the site is just below. Either respond by the list or you can
email me directly if you plan on going.

Scott Zeller MD
Med '86

Section: TAILGATE Row: VIP
PRIVATE FULLY CATERED PRIVATE PREGAME TENT - ALL YOU CAN EAT AND DRINK
- PREMIUM HOT/COLD FOOD/ALCHOL/DESERTS INCLUDED - TEAM
BANDS/CHEERLEADERS/MASCOTS ON .E - NOT A GAME TIX OR PARKING PASS

Link: http://quicktixx.com/ResultsTicket.aspx?evtid=1049428


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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Dec 13 14:53:21 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec 13 14:53:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
In-Reply-To: <20091213.134841.727.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
References: <20091213.134841.727.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>
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Is the List consensus that we will all try to meet at this VIP tailgate?  If so, I will try to go as well.  

Paul Levinson



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From: mlinhardt@netzero.com <mlinhardt@netzero.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: maureen@foresitewireless.com
Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea


Great catch.  We're in for 2.
They kill you with $15 for shipping and $2.95/ticket handling, but still a great 
alue.
We will probably just do gen adm for parking as $parking cost + $15 + $3 seems 
xpensive.
---------- Original Message ----------
rom: Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com>
The morning of the game, from 8:15 to 10:15, there is a VIP brunch
ailgate in a tent next to the stadium. I believe it was initially
nvitation only, for local swells and sponsors. Perhaps some sponsor
ot too many tickets, because tickets to the event are now selling for
14 apiece on this website. Per report, event will have NUMB, Willie,
U cheerleaders (and all the Auburn equivalents); a full brunch, and
lcohol -- all you can eat or drink -- for about the price of a beer
nd a hot dog inside the stadium.
Several of us already have tickets for this bargain -- if some other
olks on the list come as well, perhaps we can stake out a corner of
he tent just for us. Probably better than trying to meet up under a
lagpole with a sub sandwich and a roadie!
Perhaps it will not be great, but I'm willing to bet $14, especially
ith the NU alumni event at $65.
Link to the site is just below. Either respond by the list or you can
mail me directly if you plan on going.
Scott Zeller MD
ed '86
Section: TAILGATE Row: VIP
RIVATE FULLY CATERED PRIVATE PREGAME TENT - ALL YOU CAN EAT AND DRINK
 PREMIUM HOT/COLD FOOD/ALCHOL/DESERTS INCLUDED - TEAM
ANDS/CHEERLEADERS/MASCOTS ON .E - NOT A GAME TIX OR PARKING PASS
Link: http://quicktixx.com/ResultsTicket.aspx?evtid=1049428

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Dec 13 15:15:25 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec 13 15:15:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
In-Reply-To: <8CC4A4D70D5B35F-1364-3CFE3@webmail-d056.sysops.aol.com>
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Sounds good to me  Maybe we have an after the game as well for those who don't have planes to catch

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:53:21 
To: <mlinhardt@netzero.com>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Cc: <maureen@foresitewireless.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea

Is the List consensus that we will all try to meet at this VIP tailgate?  If so, I will try to go as well.  

Paul Levinson



-----Original Message-----
From: mlinhardt@netzero.com <mlinhardt@netzero.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: maureen@foresitewireless.com
Sent: Sun, Dec 13, 2009 2:48 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea


Great catch.  We're in for 2.
They kill you with $15 for shipping and $2.95/ticket handling, but still a great 
alue.
We will probably just do gen adm for parking as $parking cost + $15 + $3 seems 
xpensive.
---------- Original Message ----------
rom: Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com>
The morning of the game, from 8:15 to 10:15, there is a VIP brunch
ailgate in a tent next to the stadium. I believe it was initially
nvitation only, for local swells and sponsors. Perhaps some sponsor
ot too many tickets, because tickets to the event are now selling for
14 apiece on this website. Per report, event will have NUMB, Willie,
U cheerleaders (and all the Auburn equivalents); a full brunch, and
lcohol -- all you can eat or drink -- for about the price of a beer
nd a hot dog inside the stadium.
Several of us already have tickets for this bargain -- if some other
olks on the list come as well, perhaps we can stake out a corner of
he tent just for us. Probably better than trying to meet up under a
lagpole with a sub sandwich and a roadie!
Perhaps it will not be great, but I'm willing to bet $14, especially
ith the NU alumni event at $65.
Link to the site is just below. Either respond by the list or you can
mail me directly if you plan on going.
Scott Zeller MD
ed '86
Section: TAILGATE Row: VIP
RIVATE FULLY CATERED PRIVATE PREGAME TENT - ALL YOU CAN EAT AND DRINK
 PREMIUM HOT/COLD FOOD/ALCHOL/DESERTS INCLUDED - TEAM
ANDS/CHEERLEADERS/MASCOTS ON .E - NOT A GAME TIX OR PARKING PASS
Link: http://quicktixx.com/ResultsTicket.aspx?evtid=1049428

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 13 16:39:34 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Dec 13 16:39:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Final Standings
Message-ID: <338912.56093.qm@web52901.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Sorry these are a week late - it was a pretty wild final week. Three upset specials hit (Washington over Cal, ECU over a STILL overrated Houston and Alabama over Florida) and we had a finish every bit as close as the Heisman. In the end, Bruce held off Alan (who needed to have picked Bama or UDub) and a hard-charging Mark (who only missed Houston) to survive. Congratulations, Bruce - the updated hall of fame records are below the final standings. Congrats to Bruce on his first overall title and though she wasn't able to quad-pete, congrats to Marilyn as her three-year reign comes to an end.

Remember that EVERYONE now starts over at 0-0 for our annual bowl pool, which will be coming out shortly.

Thank you all for a great season and let's go to the big board one last time ...

TW  Name              Wk14   Record   Pct.    US  Ovrl  WP
----------------------------------------------------------
 1) B. Taylor          6-4   119-36   .768     0    4   14
 2) A. Wolfson         8-2   118-37   .761     1    3   14
 3) M. Ament           9-1   117-38   .755     2    5   14
 4) J. Hodges          6-4   114-41   .735     0    2   14
 5) T. McAdams         6-4   113-42   .729     0    5   14
 6) M. Zilka           5-5    98-37   .726     0    1   12
 7) I. Embrekts        ---    87-33   .725     0    4   11
 8) C. Herron          5-5    99-41   .707     0    1   13
 9) C. Zahn            6-4    94-41   .696     0    2   12
10) B. Waldele         7-3    84-41   .672     1    3   12
11) K. Sevilla         6-4    97-48   .669     0    3   13
12) S. Truog           7-3   103-52   .665     2    5   14
13) E. Steffe          6-4    93-47   .664     0    1   13
14) B. Winkler         6-4    86-44   .662     1    6   12
15) C. Rossi           2-8    99-56   .639     1    4   14
15) R. Stahl           5-5    99-56   .639     0    8   14
17) P. Groves          8-2    84-51   .622     1    3   12
18) J. Bendat          4-6    75-50   .600     1    6   12
19) A. McInturff       6-4    88-67   .568     2   11   14
20) L. Martinaitis     ---    67-58   .536     0    3   11
-----
xx) J. Leonard         ---    64-51   .568     0    1   10
xx) B. Wilson          ---    65-30   .684     0    0    8
xx) R. Bradshaw        ---    22- 8   .733     0    0    2
xx) P. Wolfe           ---    18-12   .600     0    0    2
xx) C. Bailey          ---    14- 1   .933     0    0    1
xx) S. Wolfson         ---    12- 3   .800     0    0    1
xx) J. Wall            ---    11- 4   .733     0    0    1

And now, the updated record book ...

##################################
## PIGSKIN PICKS - HALL OF FAME ##
##################################

MATT HARTL "OVERALL EXCELLENCE" AWARD
Overall Pigskin Picks Champion
########################################
> 1997 - Eric J. Steffe
> 1998 - Carl Pilger
> 1999 - Eric J. Steffe
> 2000 - Bill Praast
> 2001 - Harlan Heiber
> 2002 - Chuck Herron
> 2003 - Chuck Herron
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson
> 2006 - Marilyn Zilka
> 2007 - Marilyn Zilka
> 2008 ? Marilyn Zilka
> 2009 - Bruce Taylor

ROB JOHNSON "IRONMAN" AWARD
Best record of those who have competed every week
####################################################
> 1997 - Eric J. Steffe (135-40)
> 1998 - Trey McAdams (120-40)
> 1999 - Bruce Taylor (111-39)
> 2000 - Steve Kandelman and Bruce Taylor (109-44)
> 2001 - Trey McAdams (107-43)
> 2002 - Chuck Herron (132-48)
> 2003 - Chuck Herron (130-40)
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka (129-36)
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson (112-38)
> 2006 - Chuck Herron (113-37)
> 2007 - Stephen Truog (110-45)
> 2008 ? Stephen Truog (123-42)
> 2009 - Bruce Taylor (119-36)

STEVE SCHNUR "ACCURACY" AWARD
Highest percentage - min. 5 weeks
######################################
> 1997 - Eric J. Steffe (.771)
> 1998 - Carl Pilger (.792)
> 1999 - Eric J. Steffe (.756)
> 2000 - Bill Praast (.714)
> 2001 - Harlan Heiber (.744)
> 2002 - Greg Kane (.738)
> 2003 - Chuck Herron (.765)
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka (.782)
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson (.747)
> 2006 - Marilyn Zilka (.764)
> 2007 - Marilyn Zilka (.719)
> 2008 ? Marilyn Zilka (.800)
> 2009 - Bruce Taylor (.768)

PAT FITZGERALD "MOST HITS" AWARD
Most correct picks overall
####################################
> 1997 - NA
> 1998 - Trey McAdams (120)
> 1999 - Bruce Taylor (111)
> 2000 - Steve Kandelman and Bruce Taylor (109)
> 2001 - Trey McAdams (107)
> 2002 - Chuck Herron (132)
> 2003 - Chuck Herron (130)
> 2004 - Marilyn Zilka (129)
> 2005 - Alan Wolfson (112)
> 2006 - Chuck Herron (113)
> 2007 - Stephen Truog (110)
> 2008 ? Stephen Truog (123)
> 2009 - Bruce Taylor (119)

BRIAN MUSSO "GUTSY" AWARD
Most upset special picks
############################
> 1997 - NA
> 1998 - Kelly Sevilla (10)
> 1999 - Jim Bendat (12)
> 2000 - Jim Bendat and Kelly Sevilla (13)
> 2001 - Jim Bendat (15)
> 2002 - Jim Bendat (18)
> 2003 - Bill O'Connor (14)
> 2004 - Carl Rossi (10)
> 2005 - Ace McInturff (14)
> 2006 - Ace McInturff (10)
> 2007 - Sam Wolfson (16)
> 2008 ? John Hodges and Ace McInturff (8)
> 2009 - Ace McInturff (11)

D'WAYNE BATES "BOWL MVP" AWARD
Best performance in the postseason (bowl pool)
##############################################
> 1997 - Mark Loach (20-1)
> 1998 - Jeff Larson (18-4)
> 1999 - Roger Bradshaw (15-8)
> 2000 - Carl Rossi (18-6)
> 2001 - Kenn Ruby (19-6)
> 2002 - Ty Levine (18-10)
> 2003 - Ryan Farney (19-8)
> 2004 - Ace McInturff and Ivars Embrekts (19-8)
> 2005 - Bob Waldele (19-8)
> 2006 - Mark Ament and Neil Kaplan (15-5)
> 2007 - Trey McAdams, Bob Waldele and Marilyn Zilka (15-5)
> 2008 - Ray Stahl (13-7)
> 2009 - TBA ... enter the bowl pool!

Bowl pool entry form coming up.
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 13 17:19:36 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Dec 13 17:19:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Bowl Pool
Message-ID: <639921.77115.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

OK, here's the bowl pool entry. All picks due by kickoff in Vegas on DECEMBER 22. Enjoy!

PIGSKIN PICKS ? BOWL POOL
#########################

Tis the season for bowl games, but seriously, there can be waaaay too much of a good thing. Thirty-frickin?-four bowl games??? Ugh! Of course, there?s only one that really matters, and that?s the one in Tampa! ? The Outback Bowl finally made up for the last two snubs of NU and took us over Wisconsin in a bit of a surprise ? dunno if it did us any favors though as NU is a big underdog, but we?ll take it. Now let?s finish, Fitz and get the bowl win!

As for the rest of the games, we?ve narrowed the list to 20 games again this year ? all the B(C)S games, all the Big Ten games (save for NU, of course) and other games of interest. The first of our games is TUESDAY, DEC. 22 ? so get ALL of your picks in by the kickoff of the Vegas Bowl!

If a situation comes up, like more Sparty players in the police blotter or another scumbag coach ditching his team at the bowl altar, I?ll send out a re-pick notice, but otherwise, all picks by DEC. 22 are final.

Everyone?s back in at 0-0, so make the best of this second chance at getting your name in the record book for 2009-2010 and enjoy the bowl season!

PIGSKIN PICKS ? BOWL POOL
=========================
Name: 

BIG TEN
-------
GAME  1: Ohio State vs. Oregon (Rose Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  2: Iowa vs. Georgia Tech (Orange Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  3: Penn State vs. Louisiana State (Citrus Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  4: Wisconsin vs. Miami-FL (Champs Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  5: Michigan State vs. Texas Tech (Alamo Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  6: Minnesota vs. Iowa State (Copper Bowl)
WINNER: 

NATIONAL
--------
GAME 7: Alabama vs. Texas (BCS Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  8: Boise State vs. Texas Christian (Fiesta Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  9: Cincinnati vs. Florida (Sugar Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 10: Mississippi vs. Oklahoma State (Cotton Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 11: Florida State vs. West Virginia (Gator Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 12: Tennessee vs. Virginia Tech (Peach Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 13: Oklahoma vs. Stanford (Sun Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 14: Arizona vs. Nebraska (Holiday Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 15: Georgia vs. Texas A&M (Independence Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 16: Clemson vs. Kentucky (Music City Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 17: Boston College vs. Southern Cal (Emerald Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 18: North Carolina vs. Pittsburgh (Queen City Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 19: California vs. Utah (Poinsettia Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 20: Brigham Young vs. Oregon State (Vegas Bowl)
WINNER: 

I?ll send my picks in a later e-mail. Until then ...
Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and all the best in 2010!

GO CATS!!!
GEAUX SAINTS!!!
-SjT


      

From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Dec 14 09:38:20 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec 14 09:38:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
Message-ID: <461c.7518b945.3857b5ec@aol.com>

I was able to get out of Alumni Tailgate; I was signed up with someone I am 
 attending game with (whom Scott knows well--Sandy Sacks).  So I signed up  
for the VIP Tailgate, as per Scott's suggestion.  I certainly hope that  
this will be a primary meeting place for many of us on the List, recognizing  
that there may be more than one "meet and greet" over the course of Dec.  
30-Jan. 1.
 
By the way, the VIP tix are now down to $10 per (so the shipping was more  
than the ticket).
 
As for the game, in NY POST, spread is down to 7 1/2, as the "smart money"  
flows (slowly) to the 'Cats.:-)
 
Looking forward not only to a 'Cats bowl win, but to finally meeting many  
of you for the first time.
 
Paul Levinson 
From thehaze at earthlink.net  Mon Dec 14 23:05:55 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Mon Dec 14 23:07:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
Message-ID: <31566631.1260853555462.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Is the one we're purchasing:

(1) Section: VIP brunch Row: GA - presently listing for $10
or
(2) Section: Tailgate Row: VIP - presently listing for $14

Thanks,
Jim B.


From scottzel at gmail.com  Mon Dec 14 23:17:07 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Mon Dec 14 23:17:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
In-Reply-To: <31566631.1260853555462.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <31566631.1260853555462.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9a9d92d30912142117q79511cf3p3a379eef38425cfa@mail.gmail.com>

My guess is they are both the same thing.

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Is the one we're purchasing:
>
> (1) Section: VIP brunch Row: GA - presently listing for $10
> or
> (2) Section: Tailgate Row: VIP - presently listing for $14
>
> Thanks,
> Jim B.
>
>
>

From scottzel at gmail.com  Mon Dec 14 23:25:46 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Mon Dec 14 23:25:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate tix in hand!
Message-ID: <9a9d92d30912142125g13397131p69ff5a0f8b33d385@mail.gmail.com>

Just received the tailgate "VIP Brunch" tickets and they look pretty
good. They even come with a detachable ticket for door prizes!

The party is in a huge fenced "tent village" with 33 party tents and
plenty of open space. The ticket gets you in to the village, and my
ticket also gets individual access to tent 24, which has its own bar
(be interested to know if other folks get a tent 24 ticket too, or
what number instead). The party goes from 8am to 1045am and  is right
across the street from the stadium.

Food buffets include eggs, bacon, danish, potatoes, fruits, ham on rolls, etc.

Refreshments include coffee, juices, beer, bloody marys and screwdrivers.

All you care to eat and drink.

Both school marching bands will perform inside the village.

Hope it turns out to be as good as it sounds right now. All in all,
not a bad deal for $14.

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Mon Dec 14 23:35:36 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Mon Dec 14 23:35:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Zooker's New Offensive Coordinator
Message-ID: <223fce250912142135v4a85cabdj83662281ed24033e@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like Zooker actually made a good decision for once if he can stay out
of Paul's way, that is.  Petrino knows how to run a offense and if Zooker
gets him the players, Petrino will make sure they can be placed in a
position to succeed.  I'm not thrilled with seeing him show up down south.
I was much happier when he stayed with his brother.
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From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Tue Dec 15 09:01:57 2009
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec 15 09:02:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate tix in hand!
Message-ID: <272a.7cd7f153.3858fee5@aol.com>

Sounds great, thanks for finding this deal, it would seem that the NAA  
tailgate is the same party, with Willie and NUMB, perhaps just a different  
tent.  Does anybody have the official tailgate ticket or any info about  
parking?
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 15 13:49:59 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Dec 15 13:50:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Televwelven ... what?
Message-ID: <648640.66617.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Interesting article from NU alum Teddy Greenstein in today's Trib:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/chi-15-big-ten-foot-dec15,0,2684882.story

Apparently, the Big Ten is planning a big push for expansion - led by our old pal Barry Alvarez.

Love Fitz' quote in there about being the "youngest old-school guy in the league" and opposing the push.

Also love JoePa's quote at the end about the Evil Empire having their chance.

Not too much to discuss that we haven't covered on the list except that it appears to be a priority for the upcoming year. Though it would be kind of funny if the Big Ten added Cincinnati just to tick off the Slick Nick of the North, Mr. Kelly.:)

But if it's just about the bowl layoff and TV games later in the season, I'd rather go the Pac 10 route - play everybody and add more bye weeks to get December games on TV.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Dec 15 15:14:41 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Dec 15 15:14:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Televwelven ... what?
Message-ID: <200912152114.nBFLEfoM020192@romaine.tssi.com>

> Not too much to discuss that we haven't covered on the list except that it appears to be a priority for the upcoming year. Though it would be kind of funny if the Big Ten added Cincinnati just to tick off the Slick Nick of the North, Mr. Kelly.:)

Give me a break!  If last September people had been asked to list some schools that might 
be reasonable candidates for Big 10 membership based on geography, size, academic reputation
and sports prowess, would ANYONE have listed the University of Cincinnatti?   
--
Mike Nolan

From artmiller_news at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 15 15:51:30 2009
From: artmiller_news at yahoo.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Tue Dec 15 15:51:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Televwelven ... what?
In-Reply-To: <200912152114.nBFLEfoM020192@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <809257.47581.qm@web113806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:

> From: Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Televwelven ... what?
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 3:14 PM
> > Not too much to discuss that we
> haven't covered on the list except that it appears to be a
> priority for the upcoming year. Though it would be kind of
> funny if the Big Ten added Cincinnati just to tick off the
> Slick Nick of the North, Mr. Kelly.:)
> 
> Give me a break!? If last September people had been
> asked to list some schools that might 
> be reasonable candidates for Big 10 membership based on
> geography, size, academic reputation
> and sports prowess, would ANYONE have listed the University
> of Cincinnatti????
> --
> Mike Nolan


Hey, over at WildcatReport.com one guy keeps throwing around TCU and (not making this up) BOISE STATE as potential candidates for the Big Ten.

If there exists a more ludicrous suggestion than Boise State, I can't think of it.




      

From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Dec 15 16:24:40 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Dec 15 16:24:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Televwelven ... what?
References: <809257.47581.qm@web113806.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <63409BDC01994B3482FFE5E36CB610CA@DennisMachine>

> If there exists a more ludicrous suggestion than Boise State, I can't 
> think of it.

The University of Chicago?  Oh, wait!  We got rid of them once already. 
Note Her Shame is the one and only logical fit. 

From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Dec 15 16:28:44 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec 15 16:28:55 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Televwelven ... what?
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Actually  U of C has the right to re enter the conference at any time.  They could threaten to do so and look for a payoff to waive their right. That would be in keeping with their free market principles taught at their Business and Law school

Harry
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> If there exists a more ludicrous suggestion than Boise State, I can't 
> think of it.

The University of Chicago?  Oh, wait!  We got rid of them once already. 
Note Her Shame is the one and only logical fit. 

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From Martinitis at aol.com  Tue Dec 15 19:41:22 2009
From: Martinitis at aol.com (Martinitis@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec 15 19:41:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
Message-ID: <d0e.5e63d2ab.385994c2@aol.com>

Got my tailgate brunch tix today for list get together.  I also got  Tent 
#24 access.  Looks like that's the spot.
 
 
Go Cats! Claw the Tiger.
Lou Martinaitis
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 15 19:54:46 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Dec 15 19:55:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Televwelven ... what?
In-Reply-To: <200912152114.nBFLEfoM020192@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <957799.96398.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

While it's not one of the popular names - Syracuse, Rutgers, Mizzou, etc. - I have heard Cincy mentioned by several different people as a candidate.

It's not like they're the worst academic institution in Ohio (that would be the one in ... well, I'll let you fill in that sentence :) ), they have solid football and basketball, it would give us company on the low-enrollment end of the league, makes sense geographically and market-wise.

It'd be like getting Marquette or DePaul, but with a football program.:)

GO CATS!!! Well, we'd have to share that, so I'd vote no!:)
- SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


--- On Tue, 12/15/09, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:

> From: Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] The Big Televwelven ... what?
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 2:14 PM
> > Not too much to discuss that we
> haven't covered on the list except that it appears to be a
> priority for the upcoming year. Though it would be kind of
> funny if the Big Ten added Cincinnati just to tick off the
> Slick Nick of the North, Mr. Kelly.:)
> 
> Give me a break!? If last September people had been
> asked to list some schools that might 
> be reasonable candidates for Big 10 membership based on
> geography, size, academic reputation
> and sports prowess, would ANYONE have listed the University
> of Cincinnatti????
> --
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 15 20:52:25 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Dec 15 20:52:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Think BIG, Big Ten!
Message-ID: <601617.58666.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Not sure if I've mentioned this before in years past on expansion, but one idea that definitely would be different would be to think big with expansion. Adding just one team (we already have a Big XII) doesn't work unless it's ND -- it just spreads out the league, leads to unbalanced schedules, etc.

But keep it the Big Ten, just with the east and west divisions (think of them as the AFC and NFC with no interconference play) of 10 teams each!

Big Ten East: Michigan, MSU, Indiana, Purdoo, OSU, Cincy, PSU, Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers (maybe poach BC from the ACC and save them travel miles instead?)

Big Ten West: NU, Ill-noise, Wisky, Minny, Iowa, Iowa St., Nebraska, Mizzou, Kansas, K-State

Each team plays nine league games and three outside of the league.

You'd have a title game that's guaranteed not to be a rematch, you'd preserve most of the rivalries (sorry brown jug), you'd actually cut on travel costs (no PSU-Minny trips) and the TV markets of the northeast and midwest would be locked up for the Big Ten. Plus you'd all but guarantee two B(C)S bids annually and get some good football schools, basketball powers and academic institutions.

The Big XII north teams would bolt because they already see the Big XII as Texas-centric and the Big East teams might welcome the step up in prestige (maybe not for hoops, but for all else).

Yeah, it's a pipe dream :) ... but if we're going to expand, 12 is a bad number because it just mucks everything up - too big for round robin, too small for even scheduling and it's been done. Think BIG, Delaney!

Plus we'd be numerically correct again.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - It's final exam week ... it drives us all a little crazy!:)

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GO CATS!!!


      

From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Wed Dec 16 07:22:02 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Wed Dec 16 07:24:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Think BIG, Big Ten!
Message-ID: <20091216.072202.29365.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

That is not the worst idea I have ever heard, but I have some thoughts based on a few expansion rules:
#1 Primary state school in a given state or Private schools with a bigger following
#2 Academic top 75
#3 Strong/decent over past 20 years in both basketball and football
Note:  Grandfathering of us for #1 and #3 and tOSU for #2

Pitt, Iowa State and Kansas State violate #1 and I believe all 3 violate #2

>From the Big 12 I would rather have Colorado.

My preference is as follows:
#1 No change
#2 Have Indiana and Purdue combine into a single school and play a 9-game conference schedule and a complete basketball schedule.  Indiana as a state is just not big enough to house 2 state schools.
#3 The team from south bend
#4 9-game conference schedule
#5 Missouri
#6 UN-Lincoln
#7 Colorado
#8 UT-Austin
#9 Pitt

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>

Not sure if I've mentioned this before in years past on expansion, but one idea that definitely would be different would be to think big with expansion. Adding just one team (we already have a Big XII) doesn't work unless it's ND -- it just spreads out the league, leads to unbalanced schedules, etc.

But keep it the Big Ten, just with the east and west divisions (think of them as the AFC and NFC with no interconference play) of 10 teams each!

Big Ten East: Michigan, MSU, Indiana, Purdoo, OSU, Cincy, PSU, Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers (maybe poach BC from the ACC and save them travel miles instead?)

Big Ten West: NU, Ill-noise, Wisky, Minny, Iowa, Iowa St., Nebraska, Mizzou, Kansas, K-State

Each team plays nine league games and three outside of the league.

You'd have a title game that's guaranteed not to be a rematch, you'd preserve most of the rivalries (sorry brown jug), you'd actually cut on travel costs (no PSU-Minny trips) and the TV markets of the northeast and midwest would be locked up for the Big Ten. Plus you'd all but guarantee two B(C)S bids annually and get some good football schools, basketball powers and academic institutions.

The Big XII north teams would bolt because they already see the Big XII as Texas-centric and the Big East teams might welcome the step up in prestige (maybe not for hoops, but for all else).

Yeah, it's a pipe dream :) ... but if we're going to expand, 12 is a bad number because it just mucks everything up - too big for round robin, too small for even scheduling and it's been done. Think BIG, Delaney!

Plus we'd be numerically correct again.:)


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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Dec 16 13:18:24 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Wed Dec 16 13:18:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
Message-ID: <d4f.666dd55b.385a8c80@aol.com>

Me also..24 it is.
 
Got my tailgate brunch tix today for list get together.  I also  got  Tent 
#24 access.  Looks like that's the  spot.

From scottzel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 16 18:24:30 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Wed Dec 16 18:24:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
In-Reply-To: <d4f.666dd55b.385a8c80@aol.com>
References: <d4f.666dd55b.385a8c80@aol.com>
Message-ID: <9a9d92d30912161624t3c767a53he1f2ebdb3880ede5@mail.gmail.com>

>From what I can tell we all get access to the whole village and
everything happening there, and big tent 24 is a private bar area we
have individual access to. There are also free food stalls and bars
throughout the village we all have access to as well.

See you all there!

On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 11:18 AM,  <MHRJGScott@aol.com> wrote:
> Me also..24 it is.
>
> Got my tailgate brunch tix today for list get together. ?I also ?got ?Tent
> #24 access. ?Looks like that's the ?spot.
>
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 17 15:54:43 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Thu Dec 17 15:55:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
Message-ID: <5128737.1261086884137.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Well, I got my tailgate brunch tickets, but I did not get tent #24. I got tent #8. So, how do we all meet up? - Jim


-----Original Message-----
>From: Martinitis@aol.com
>Sent: Dec 15, 2009 8:41 PM
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
>
>Got my tailgate brunch tix today for list get together.  I also got  Tent 
>#24 access.  Looks like that's the spot.
> 
> 
>Go Cats! Claw the Tiger.
>Lou Martinaitis
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Thu Dec 17 16:01:07 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Thu Dec 17 16:01:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
In-Reply-To: <5128737.1261086884137.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <5128737.1261086884137.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <9a9d92d30912171401q1e8a9c98s9a5f33869ab2c277@mail.gmail.com>

>From my understanding it is a big party village and no reason to stay
inside the tents except to get food/drink refills. If most people get
tent 24 we should meet in front of there, perhaps? As it gets closer
we can decide.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Well, I got my tailgate brunch tickets, but I did not get tent #24. I got tent #8. So, how do we all meet up? - Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Martinitis@aol.com
>>Sent: Dec 15, 2009 8:41 PM
>>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>>Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
>>
>>Got my tailgate brunch tix today for list get together. ?I also got ?Tent
>>#24 access. ?Looks like that's the spot.
>>
>>
>>Go Cats! Claw the Tiger.
>>Lou Martinaitis
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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Thu Dec 17 17:15:02 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Thu Dec 17 17:17:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
Message-ID: <20091217.171502.26590.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

We got #24.

What happened to Jim?  I heard tent #8 for SEC and tOSU folks only ;-)

It is too bad the only meat in the food tent seems to be pig.  Bacon w/ the eggs and ham on rolls.  A screwdriver to start the day seems like a good plan.

Did anyone read "Gearing up for the Northwestern Wildcats!"
http://www.trackemtigers.com/2009/12/17/1204356/gearing-up-for-the-northwestern

I thought it was about as unbiased an auburn-side preview could be.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com>

>From my understanding it is a big party village and no reason to stay
inside the tents except to get food/drink refills. If most people get
tent 24 we should meet in front of there, perhaps? As it gets closer
we can decide.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Well, I got my tailgate brunch tickets, but I did not get tent #24. I got tent #8. So, how do we all meet up? - Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Martinitis@aol.com
>>
>>Got my tailgate brunch tix today for list get together. ?I also got ?Tent
>>#24 access. ?Looks like that's the spot.
>>
>>
>>Go Cats! Claw the Tiger.
>>Lou Martinaitis


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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Dec 17 17:49:49 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec 17 17:50:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl
Message-ID: <8CC4D8AC153CDC4-3F50-2A5D@webmail-d040.sysops.aol.com>


I'm not 100% sure, but I did some noodling on the Outback site, and since Iowa was "Home" team last year and Wisky was "Away" the year before, it looks like we are the "Visiting" Team this year and will thus have to wear our White "Away" Uniforms.  While I prefer the Purple, we did play awfully well in November on the road, so I don't suppose it will hinder our team's effort.  Maybe Fitz should have the Visiting Locker Room painted pink, so the team thinks they are in Iowa City.

Paul Levinson


From thehaze at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 17 18:21:57 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Thu Dec 17 18:22:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl
Message-ID: <24583849.1261095717958.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Right, I checked this same info and agree we'll likely be wearing white. Actually, it should be more colorful that way, as Auburn's road uniforms are rather dull -- white from top to bottom. Now, they'll be wearing their blue jerseys. - Jim

-----Original Message-----
>From: neonrye@aol.com
>Sent: Dec 17, 2009 6:49 PM
>To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl
>
>
>I'm not 100% sure, but I did some noodling on the Outback site, and since Iowa was "Home" team last year and Wisky was "Away" the year before, it looks like we are the "Visiting" Team this year and will thus have to wear our White "Away" Uniforms.  While I prefer the Purple, we did play awfully well in November on the road, so I don't suppose it will hinder our team's effort.  Maybe Fitz should have the Visiting Locker Room painted pink, so the team thinks they are in Iowa City.
>
>Paul Levinson
>
>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Thu Dec 17 21:54:14 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec 17 21:54:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
In-Reply-To: <20091217.171502.26590.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>
References: <20091217.171502.26590.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>
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I'm in Tent No. 8.  Will try to get to No. 24 if that's where the group will be hanging out.  On the back of my ticket (which is quite large; I presume they all are) it has a small diagram showing that Tents 1-20 have entry to left and Tents 21-60 have entry to right.  But it also looks like they are not entirely walled off--sort of reminds me of a vast flea-market.

Someone suggested we get some name tags (with not only our names, but our email addresses).  Maybe we can get the kind NU always uses at Alumni events.  

Does anyone have a sense of what traffic will be like that morning?  I have to travel up from Longboat Key, which is usually about a 90-minute ride, but if there is going to be gridlock by the Stadium, I will have to leave very early.  Frankly, I'm ready for the game now.  I can't wait until kickoff.

In today's NY POST there was extended Bettor's Guide for all of the bowl games.  Tim Sullivan, their college beat writer, had nice things to say about the 'Cats and advised taking the points:  
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/football/bucks_over_ducks_zkHo0I4D1Arh4Csb8Ab9FJ


Paul Levinson



-----Original Message-----
From: mlinhardt@netzero.com <mlinhardt@netzero.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether


We got #24.
What happened to Jim?  I heard tent #8 for SEC and tOSU folks only ;-)
It is too bad the only meat in the food tent seems to be pig.  Bacon w/ the eggs 
nd ham on rolls.  A screwdriver to start the day seems like a good plan.
Did anyone read "Gearing up for the Northwestern Wildcats!"
ttp://www.trackemtigers.com/2009/12/17/1204356/gearing-up-for-the-northwestern
I thought it was about as unbiased an auburn-side preview could be.
---------- Original Message ----------
rom: Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com>
>From my understanding it is a big party village and no reason to stay
nside the tents except to get food/drink refills. If most people get
ent 24 we should meet in front of there, perhaps? As it gets closer
e can decide.
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:
 Well, I got my tailgate brunch tickets, but I did not get tent #24. I got tent 
8. So, how do we all meet up? - Jim


 -----Original Message-----
>From: Martinitis@aol.com
>
>Got my tailgate brunch tix today for list get together.  I also got  Tent
>#24 access.  Looks like that's the spot.
>
>
>Go Cats! Claw the Tiger.
>Lou Martinaitis

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Dec 17 22:02:25 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec 17 22:02:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
In-Reply-To: <8CC4DACE64D5C65-AB8-9BD1@webmail-d021.sysops.aol.com>
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I have tent 24 as well. Any local alumni heads out there who might have NU name tags ?

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: neonrye@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:54:14 
To: <mlinhardt@netzero.com>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Cc: <Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether


I'm in Tent No. 8.  Will try to get to No. 24 if that's where the group will be hanging out.  On the back of my ticket (which is quite large; I presume they all are) it has a small diagram showing that Tents 1-20 have entry to left and Tents 21-60 have entry to right.  But it also looks like they are not entirely walled off--sort of reminds me of a vast flea-market.

Someone suggested we get some name tags (with not only our names, but our email addresses).  Maybe we can get the kind NU always uses at Alumni events.  

Does anyone have a sense of what traffic will be like that morning?  I have to travel up from Longboat Key, which is usually about a 90-minute ride, but if there is going to be gridlock by the Stadium, I will have to leave very early.  Frankly, I'm ready for the game now.  I can't wait until kickoff.

In today's NY POST there was extended Bettor's Guide for all of the bowl games.  Tim Sullivan, their college beat writer, had nice things to say about the 'Cats and advised taking the points:  
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/football/bucks_over_ducks_zkHo0I4D1Arh4Csb8Ab9FJ


Paul Levinson



-----Original Message-----
From: mlinhardt@netzero.com <mlinhardt@netzero.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 6:15 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether


We got #24.
What happened to Jim?  I heard tent #8 for SEC and tOSU folks only ;-)
It is too bad the only meat in the food tent seems to be pig.  Bacon w/ the eggs 
nd ham on rolls.  A screwdriver to start the day seems like a good plan.
Did anyone read "Gearing up for the Northwestern Wildcats!"
ttp://www.trackemtigers.com/2009/12/17/1204356/gearing-up-for-the-northwestern
I thought it was about as unbiased an auburn-side preview could be.
---------- Original Message ----------
rom: Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com>
>From my understanding it is a big party village and no reason to stay
nside the tents except to get food/drink refills. If most people get
ent 24 we should meet in front of there, perhaps? As it gets closer
e can decide.
On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:
 Well, I got my tailgate brunch tickets, but I did not get tent #24. I got tent 
8. So, how do we all meet up? - Jim


 -----Original Message-----
>From: Martinitis@aol.com
>
>Got my tailgate brunch tix today for list get together.  I also got  Tent
>#24 access.  Looks like that's the spot.
>
>
>Go Cats! Claw the Tiger.
>Lou Martinaitis

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 17 23:25:53 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Thu Dec 17 23:26:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
Message-ID: <2509162.1261113953948.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Paul - Looks like you and I are the only ones so far who wound up in tent #8, so at least we'll be able to meet! Hopefully, we'll be able to get over to #24. - Jim

-----Original Message-----
>From: neonrye@aol.com
>Sent: Dec 17, 2009 10:54 PM
>To: mlinhardt@netzero.com, nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
>
>
>I'm in Tent No. 8.  Will try to get to No. 24 if that's where the group will be hanging out.  On the back of my ticket (which is quite large; I presume they all are) it has a small diagram showing that Tents 1-20 have entry to left and Tents 21-60 have entry to right.  But it also looks like they are not entirely walled off--sort of reminds me of a vast flea-market.
>
>Someone suggested we get some name tags (with not only our names, but our email addresses).  Maybe we can get the kind NU always uses at Alumni events.  
>
>Does anyone have a sense of what traffic will be like that morning?  I have to travel up from Longboat Key, which is usually about a 90-minute ride, but if there is going to be gridlock by the Stadium, I will have to leave very early.  Frankly, I'm ready for the game now.  I can't wait until kickoff.
>
>In today's NY POST there was extended Bettor's Guide for all of the bowl games.  Tim Sullivan, their college beat writer, had nice things to say about the 'Cats and advised taking the points:  
>http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/football/bucks_over_ducks_zkHo0I4D1Arh4Csb8Ab9FJ
>
>
>Paul Levinson
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: mlinhardt@netzero.com <mlinhardt@netzero.com>
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
>Sent: Thu, Dec 17, 2009 6:15 pm
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
>
>
>We got #24.
>What happened to Jim?  I heard tent #8 for SEC and tOSU folks only ;-)
>It is too bad the only meat in the food tent seems to be pig.  Bacon w/ the eggs 
>nd ham on rolls.  A screwdriver to start the day seems like a good plan.
>Did anyone read "Gearing up for the Northwestern Wildcats!"
>ttp://www.trackemtigers.com/2009/12/17/1204356/gearing-up-for-the-northwestern
>I thought it was about as unbiased an auburn-side preview could be.
>---------- Original Message ----------
>rom: Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com>
>>From my understanding it is a big party village and no reason to stay
>nside the tents except to get food/drink refills. If most people get
>ent 24 we should meet in front of there, perhaps? As it gets closer
>e can decide.
>On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Well, I got my tailgate brunch tickets, but I did not get tent #24. I got tent 
>8. So, how do we all meet up? - Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Martinitis@aol.com
>>
>>Got my tailgate brunch tix today for list get together.  I also got  Tent
>>#24 access.  Looks like that's the spot.
>>
>>
>>Go Cats! Claw the Tiger.
>>Lou Martinaitis
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Dec 18 04:05:36 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (Gail B. DeGroat)
Date: Fri Dec 18 04:05:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] It's Urgent,Please Respond.
Message-ID: <E1NLZiK-0001eq-7R@mondial.websitewelcome.com>

I really don't mean to inconvenience you right now but am sorry, I made a quick trip to UK and I lost wallet that contain my passport, cell phone and credit cards. I know this may sound odd, but it all happened very fast. I've been to the US embassy, they're willing to help me fly without my passport but I have to pay for my ticket and I'm out of cash and you know I can't have access to my bank without my credit card over here. I have contacted my bank but they need more verification and time wasting as well for the past 24hours. Please, Can you lend me some funds right now? I'll pay you as soon as I get home. I need to get on the next available flight home.
 
Please reply as soon as you get this message, so I can forward the details as to where to send the funds, you can reach me via the hotel's desk phone if you can. the numbers are, 011447035907124.

I await your response
Love, Gail



From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Dec 18 04:05:36 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (Gail B. DeGroat)
Date: Fri Dec 18 04:06:02 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] It's Urgent,Please Respond.
Message-ID: <E1NLZiK-0001ew-7k@mondial.websitewelcome.com>

I really don't mean to inconvenience you right now but am sorry, I made a quick trip to UK and I lost wallet that contain my passport, cell phone and credit cards. I know this may sound odd, but it all happened very fast. I've been to the US embassy, they're willing to help me fly without my passport but I have to pay for my ticket and I'm out of cash and you know I can't have access to my bank without my credit card over here. I have contacted my bank but they need more verification and time wasting as well for the past 24hours. Please, Can you lend me some funds right now? I'll pay you as soon as I get home. I need to get on the next available flight home.
 
Please reply as soon as you get this message, so I can forward the details as to where to send the funds, you can reach me via the hotel's desk phone if you can. the numbers are, 011447035907124.

I await your response
Love, Gail



From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Dec 18 04:05:46 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (Gail B. DeGroat)
Date: Fri Dec 18 04:06:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] It's Urgent,Please Respond.
Message-ID: <E1NLZiU-0006oU-9J@gator418.hostgator.com>

I really don't mean to inconvenience you right now but am sorry, I made a quick trip to UK and I lost wallet that contain my passport, cell phone and credit cards. I know this may sound odd, but it all happened very fast. I've been to the US embassy, they're willing to help me fly without my passport but I have to pay for my ticket and I'm out of cash and you know I can't have access to my bank without my credit card over here. I have contacted my bank but they need more verification and time wasting as well for the past 24hours. Please, Can you lend me some funds right now? I'll pay you as soon as I get home. I need to get on the next available flight home.
 
Please reply as soon as you get this message, so I can forward the details as to where to send the funds, you can reach me via the hotel's desk phone if you can. the numbers are, 011447035907124.

I await your response
Love, Gail



From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Dec 18 04:05:46 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (Gail B. DeGroat)
Date: Fri Dec 18 04:06:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] It's Urgent,Please Respond.
Message-ID: <E1NLZiU-0006oO-7c@gator418.hostgator.com>

I really don't mean to inconvenience you right now but am sorry, I made a quick trip to UK and I lost wallet that contain my passport, cell phone and credit cards. I know this may sound odd, but it all happened very fast. I've been to the US embassy, they're willing to help me fly without my passport but I have to pay for my ticket and I'm out of cash and you know I can't have access to my bank without my credit card over here. I have contacted my bank but they need more verification and time wasting as well for the past 24hours. Please, Can you lend me some funds right now? I'll pay you as soon as I get home. I need to get on the next available flight home.
 
Please reply as soon as you get this message, so I can forward the details as to where to send the funds, you can reach me via the hotel's desk phone if you can. the numbers are, 011447035907124.

I await your response
Love, Gail



From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Dec 18 04:06:36 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (Gail B. DeGroat)
Date: Fri Dec 18 04:08:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] It's Urgent,Please Respond.
Message-ID: <E1NLZjI-0003Ys-Q2@vz323.securenet-server.net>

I really don't mean to inconvenience you right now but am sorry, I made a quick trip to UK and I lost wallet that contain my passport, cell phone and credit cards. I know this may sound odd, but it all happened very fast. I've been to the US embassy, they're willing to help me fly without my passport but I have to pay for my ticket and I'm out of cash and you know I can't have access to my bank without my credit card over here. I have contacted my bank but they need more verification and time wasting as well for the past 24hours. Please, Can you lend me some funds right now? I'll pay you as soon as I get home. I need to get on the next available flight home.
 
Please reply as soon as you get this message, so I can forward the details as to where to send the funds, you can reach me via the hotel's desk phone if you can. the numbers are, 011447035907124.

I await your response
Love, Gail



From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Dec 18 04:06:36 2009
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (Gail B. DeGroat)
Date: Fri Dec 18 04:08:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] It's Urgent,Please Respond.
Message-ID: <E1NLZjI-0003Yp-PP@vz323.securenet-server.net>

I really don't mean to inconvenience you right now but am sorry, I made a quick trip to UK and I lost wallet that contain my passport, cell phone and credit cards. I know this may sound odd, but it all happened very fast. I've been to the US embassy, they're willing to help me fly without my passport but I have to pay for my ticket and I'm out of cash and you know I can't have access to my bank without my credit card over here. I have contacted my bank but they need more verification and time wasting as well for the past 24hours. Please, Can you lend me some funds right now? I'll pay you as soon as I get home. I need to get on the next available flight home.
 
Please reply as soon as you get this message, so I can forward the details as to where to send the funds, you can reach me via the hotel's desk phone if you can. the numbers are, 011447035907124.

I await your response
Love, Gail



From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Dec 18 04:50:16 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Dec 18 04:50:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
Message-ID: <78EF13912C544CA5BAC31EF83E2A5A74@DennisMachine>

Looks like we have a virus on the list in the form of scam involving one (no doubt) fictitious Gail B. DeGroat.  I cried my eyes out reading how the poor man/woman lost his/her wallet in London and needs money immediately.  I received three identical e-mails from nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com and three more from nwu-sports@tssi.com.  Anyone else get them?
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Dec 18 06:22:20 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri Dec 18 06:22:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
In-Reply-To: <78EF13912C544CA5BAC31EF83E2A5A74@DennisMachine>
References: <78EF13912C544CA5BAC31EF83E2A5A74@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <003a01ca7fdc$bef461e0$3cdd25a0$@com>

I didn't get the solicitation (altho my spam program caught several offers
to improve my personal equipment)

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:50 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus

Looks like we have a virus on the list in the form of scam involving one (no
doubt) fictitious Gail B. DeGroat.  I cried my eyes out reading how the poor
man/woman lost his/her wallet in London and needs money immediately.  I
received three identical e-mails from nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com and three
more from nwu-sports@tssi.com.  Anyone else get them?
_______________________________________________
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nwu-sports@tssi.com
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Dec 18 06:25:48 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri Dec 18 06:25:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
In-Reply-To: <78EF13912C544CA5BAC31EF83E2A5A74@DennisMachine>
References: <78EF13912C544CA5BAC31EF83E2A5A74@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <003b01ca7fdd$3b46dc00$b1d49400$@com>

OOOps spoke too soon, the e-mail made it to my junk box on Outlook.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
================================================


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:50 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus

Looks like we have a virus on the list in the form of scam involving one (no
doubt) fictitious Gail B. DeGroat.  I cried my eyes out reading how the poor
man/woman lost his/her wallet in London and needs money immediately.  I
received three identical e-mails from nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com and three
more from nwu-sports@tssi.com.  Anyone else get them?
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports@tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Fri Dec 18 06:59:31 2009
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 18 07:00:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
Message-ID: <2ea0.a6dccc7.385cd6b3@aol.com>

I have six emails from johnadeg@  in my spam folder which is where I  
always got mail from John, no disrespect to the departed. I did not open  them.
From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Fri Dec 18 07:13:58 2009
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 18 07:14:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
Message-ID: <334a.2d38d03b.385cda16@aol.com>

I have NAA name tags, purple pens and will probably be wearing my  lister 
sweat shirt, you can look for me, but I probably will not get there until  
9am, maybe later.
From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Dec 18 08:10:09 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 18 08:10:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
Message-ID: <1997261144-1261145408-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-322825275-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I got 5 of them.
------Original Message------
From: tbng@comcast.net
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
Sent: Dec 18, 2009 5:50 AM

Looks like we have a virus on the list in the form of scam involving one (no doubt) fictitious Gail B. DeGroat.  I cried my eyes out reading how the poor man/woman lost his/her wallet in London and needs money immediately.  I received three identical e-mails from nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com and three more from nwu-sports@tssi.com.  Anyone else get them?
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site list
nwu-sports@tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Dec 18 08:14:47 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 18 08:14:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
Message-ID: <1580413308-1261145686-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-420785189-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Has anyone purchased parking online from brokers, etc.?  I am wondering how parking will be the morning of.  Any thoughts?

Paul Levinson
------Original Message------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: Hakirsch@aol.com
To: Gwia6: neonrye@aol.com
To: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: mlinhardt@netzero.com
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate Getogether
Sent: Dec 18, 2009 8:13 AM

I have NAA name tags, purple pens and will probably be wearing my  lister 
sweat shirt, you can look for me, but I probably will not get there until  
9am, maybe later.
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From AJWDBW at aol.com  Fri Dec 18 08:46:20 2009
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 18 08:45:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
Message-ID: <c77.56d074d6.385cefbc@aol.com>

I also received three e-mails with the DeGroat ID but in addition, there  
was the virus warning. So, consequently I didn't open them. Thanks for the  al
ert.
Don Williams
C55 
 
 
In a message dated 12/18/2009 4:50:40 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
tbng@comcast.net writes:

Looks  like we have a virus on the list in the form of scam involving one 
(no doubt)  fictitious Gail B. DeGroat.  I cried my eyes out reading how the 
poor  man/woman lost his/her wallet in London and needs money immediately.  
I  received three identical e-mails from nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com and 
three  more from nwu-sports@tssi.com.  Anyone else get  them?
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports site  list
nwu-sports@tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Dec 18 09:39:22 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Dec 18 09:39:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
In-Reply-To: <1997261144-1261145408-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-322825275-@bda564.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	from "neonrye@aol.com" at Dec 18, 2009 02:10:09 PM
Message-ID: <200912181539.nBIFdMfk001538@romaine.tssi.com>

> I got 5 of them.

I show six of them, all appear to have forged 'From: ' addresses and were sent within
a few minutes of each other in the middle of the night (when spam engines know it is less
likely that someone is monitoring things.)  

I think I've blocked that address, but I don't know if someone has been harvesting list
addresses or just got lucky.  (If the former, I may have to put the list into fully
moderated mode for a while, releasing only the valid posts.  :sigh:)
--
Mike Nolan

From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Fri Dec 18 10:01:30 2009
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 18 10:02:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
Message-ID: <822e.31a3dcd6.385d015a@aol.com>

I did not find a virus in the mail, and FWIW John's widow's name was Gail,  
maybe she had a laptop with our list and in a panic sent the request to the 
 whole address book multiple times.
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Fri Dec 18 10:40:08 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Fri Dec 18 10:40:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
In-Reply-To: <822e.31a3dcd6.385d015a@aol.com> from "mhrjgscott@aol.com" at Dec
	18, 2009 11:01:30 AM
Message-ID: <200912181640.nBIGe8PV001731@romaine.tssi.com>

> I did not find a virus in the mail, and FWIW John's widow's name was Gail,  
> maybe she had a laptop with our list and in a panic sent the request to the 
>  whole address book multiple times.

The text of that email is virtually identical with others I have seen and is IMHO
a 'phishing' attempt.  Many of the ant-spam/anti-virus engines will label everything a
'virus' even if it is technically some other kind of threat.

The first time I saw it it even supposedly came from someone who was known to be travelling 
to the foreign city that was cited, an interesting coincidence.

Based on the headers, I don't believe it came from Gail or John's computer but was forged 
to appear to come from John's email address.

How John's email address got in the hands of the sender of that note is unclear.
--
Mike Nolan

From scottzel at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 11:16:27 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Fri Dec 18 11:16:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
In-Reply-To: <200912181640.nBIGe8PV001731@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <822e.31a3dcd6.385d015a@aol.com>
	<200912181640.nBIGe8PV001731@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <9a9d92d30912180916s77b12e65tefbaaf733b596e8@mail.gmail.com>

Somewhere in the afterlife, John DeGroat is having a good laugh, being
able to rile up the list one last time.

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:
>> I did not find a virus in the mail, and FWIW John's widow's name was Gail,
>> maybe she had a laptop with our list and in a panic sent the request to the
>> ?whole address book multiple times.
>
> The text of that email is virtually identical with others I have seen and is IMHO
> a 'phishing' attempt. ?Many of the ant-spam/anti-virus engines will label everything a
> 'virus' even if it is technically some other kind of threat.
>
> The first time I saw it it even supposedly came from someone who was known to be travelling
> to the foreign city that was cited, an interesting coincidence.
>
> Based on the headers, I don't believe it came from Gail or John's computer but was forged
> to appear to come from John's email address.
>
> How John's email address got in the hands of the sender of that note is unclear.
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From carljrossi at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 11:40:42 2009
From: carljrossi at gmail.com (Carl Rossi)
Date: Fri Dec 18 11:40:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
In-Reply-To: <9a9d92d30912180916s77b12e65tefbaaf733b596e8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <822e.31a3dcd6.385d015a@aol.com>
	<200912181640.nBIGe8PV001731@romaine.tssi.com>
	<9a9d92d30912180916s77b12e65tefbaaf733b596e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cfb81b0b0912180940r1b6fa944j813a14d049076e4d@mail.gmail.com>

Amen:)

Let's hope he's also smilling sometime around 2 PM Eastern Time on
1/01/2010...

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com> wrote:

> Somewhere in the afterlife, John DeGroat is having a good laugh, being
> able to rile up the list one last time.
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
> wrote:
> >> I did not find a virus in the mail, and FWIW John's widow's name was
> Gail,
> >> maybe she had a laptop with our list and in a panic sent the request to
> the
> >>  whole address book multiple times.
> >
> > The text of that email is virtually identical with others I have seen and
> is IMHO
> > a 'phishing' attempt.  Many of the ant-spam/anti-virus engines will label
> everything a
> > 'virus' even if it is technically some other kind of threat.
> >
> > The first time I saw it it even supposedly came from someone who was
> known to be travelling
> > to the foreign city that was cited, an interesting coincidence.
> >
> > Based on the headers, I don't believe it came from Gail or John's
> computer but was forged
> > to appear to come from John's email address.
> >
> > How John's email address got in the hands of the sender of that note is
> unclear.
> > --
> > Mike Nolan
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
>
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 12:40:30 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Fri Dec 18 12:40:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
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Mine showed six but I didn't open to see for sure

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 9:10 AM, <neonrye@aol.com> wrote:

> I got 5 of them.
> ------Original Message------
> From: tbng@comcast.net
> Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
> Sent: Dec 18, 2009 5:50 AM
>
> Looks like we have a virus on the list in the form of scam involving one
> (no doubt) fictitious Gail B. DeGroat.  I cried my eyes out reading how the
> poor man/woman lost his/her wallet in London and needs money immediately.  I
> received three identical e-mails from nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com and
> three more from nwu-sports@tssi.com.  Anyone else get them?
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Dec 18 15:31:36 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Fri Dec 18 15:31:42 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Virus
In-Reply-To: <200912181640.nBIGe8PV001731@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <822e.31a3dcd6.385d015a@aol.com> from "mhrjgscott@aol.com" at
	Dec	18,
	2009 11:01:30 AM <200912181640.nBIGe8PV001731@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <001901ca8029$7a728360$6f578a20$@com>

I think it is interesting that neither the Mailwasher program or Avast Pro
(anti-virus) picked up on the e-mails as being bogus or even questionable.

But it did trip the junk mail filter in Outlook - representing the only time
I've had stuff get thru my two usually powerful filters only to be snagged
by the Microsoft product.

Strange, but true.

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
Computer Applications & Support Associates
-------------------- Also ----------------------
Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
==========  Go Cats -? Beat 'em All  ===========
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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 11:40 AM
To: mhrjgscott@aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Virus

> I did not find a virus in the mail, and FWIW John's widow's name was Gail,

> maybe she had a laptop with our list and in a panic sent the request to
the 
>  whole address book multiple times.

The text of that email is virtually identical with others I have seen and is
IMHO
a 'phishing' attempt.  Many of the ant-spam/anti-virus engines will label
everything a
'virus' even if it is technically some other kind of threat.

The first time I saw it it even supposedly came from someone who was known
to be travelling 
to the foreign city that was cited, an interesting coincidence.

Based on the headers, I don't believe it came from Gail or John's computer
but was forged 
to appear to come from John's email address.

How John's email address got in the hands of the sender of that note is
unclear.
--
Mike Nolan

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From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Dec 18 17:45:11 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 18 17:45:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Defensive Line Coach May Miss Outback Bowl After
	Emergency Surgery
Message-ID: <16a8f.79a1a7ec.385d6e07@aol.com>

>From yesterday's Chicago Trib online:
_http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/northwestern/_ 
(http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/northwestern/) 
From neonrye at aol.com  Fri Dec 18 17:57:00 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Dec 18 17:58:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Missouri Governor Pushing Big 10
Message-ID: <16f32.681b52a.385d70cc@aol.com>

Gov. Jay Nixon (There's a politician burdened with a tough surname.) has  
come out strongly for Mizzou (his alma mater) to join the Big 10, emphasizing 
 both the academic and sports angles.  Here's the story from today's  
Sun-Times:  
_http://www.suntimes.com/bigten/1947327,missouri-big-ten-join-governor-121809.article_ 
(http://www.suntimes.com/bigten/1947327,missouri-big-ten-join-governor-121809.article) 
 
Paul Levinson
 
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Dec 19 08:47:12 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec 19 08:46:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Eric Smith
Message-ID: <d08.6bd17d8c.385e4170@aol.com>

As punishment for misplacing his copy of "Dick and Jane get a puppy" Auburn 
 running back Eric Smith is academically ineligible for the Outback Bowl 
against  Northwestern. This of course has nothing to do with the fact that he 
was  suspended for the season opener after being charged with third-degree 
assault  for an off-campus fight.  

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Dec 19 11:16:24 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat Dec 19 11:16:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] For SjT
Message-ID: <000001ca80ce$fe1d45b0$fa57d110$@com>

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/sst121709dAPR20091218022756.jpg

 

 

another one who doesn't want to expand the Big 10

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.

Computer Applications & Support Associates

-------------------- Also ----------------------

Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball

Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]

Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968

Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)

==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

Congress '06

   Obama '08

      Depression '10????

 

Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!

================================================

 

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Sat Dec 19 11:13:27 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Sat Dec 19 11:21:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Eric Smith
In-Reply-To: <d08.6bd17d8c.385e4170@aol.com>
References: <d08.6bd17d8c.385e4170@aol.com>
Message-ID: <FA683F83-ED40-4937-8740-4DD87FD6E99E@covisint.com>

It is embarassing for any institution when players get in trouble.  
We've has our fair share too.

In my mind this is good news as far as Auburn is concerned. Unlike  
USC, they  have standards for athletes which that they are willing to  
enforce even in the face of an important game.

Jeff

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 19, 2009, at 9:48 AM, "MHRJGScott@aol.com" <MHRJGScott@aol.com>  
wrote:

> As punishment for misplacing his copy of "Dick and Jane get a puppy"  
> Auburn
>  running back Eric Smith is academically ineligible for the Outback  
> Bowl
> against  Northwestern. This of course has nothing to do with the  
> fact that he
> was  suspended for the season opener after being charged with third- 
> degree
> assault  for an off-campus fight.
>
> 
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Dec 19 15:04:56 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Dec 19 15:05:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF0BEC991A@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Eighth straight win.

 

John Shurna, 21 points.

 

 

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Dec 19 15:07:28 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat Dec 19 15:08:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301357FDB@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Perhaps the first national ranking for Cats in 40 years awaits???


>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sat Dec 19 16:04:56 2009Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62

Eighth straight win.



John Shurna, 21 points.





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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Dec 19 15:25:05 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec 19 15:25:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
In-Reply-To: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301357FDB@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301357FDB@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
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  A stat was presented during the game today; all 4 of our losses to Stanford ( which occured in the last 4 years) were by 6 points or less.  Fast forward to today; we got a little tentative and let a 10 point lead get whittled to 1; then won the game.  
   This was a big win, no question about it.  We got Stanford in foul trouble, and did enough to take advantage of the situation.  Free throw shooting was lousy in the 1st half; OK in the 2nd. 
  Stanford had Kentucky and Oklahoma St. on the ropes, but missed free throws.  We made them in the 2nd half; Shurna was awesome; especially in the 1st half.  
   I'm looking forward to next week; Illinois and Michigan St.  If we go 3-5 our first 8 "in conference games", and beat the 2 road kill teams mixed in, I think we'll make hay the second half of conference play and make the tournement.  Great game to watch!    GO   CATS!!    Eric


-----Original Message-----
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To: 'nwu-sports@tssi.com' <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:07 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62


Perhaps the first national ranking for Cats in 40 years awaits???

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos
W. Weinbaum
roducer
12-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
illie.weinbaum@espn.com
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o: nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
ent: Sat Dec 19 16:04:56 2009Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
Eighth straight win.

John Shurna, 21 points.


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From r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net  Sat Dec 19 15:25:50 2009
From: r.beckwith at sbcglobal.net (Roger Beckwith)
Date: Sat Dec 19 15:25:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] B-ball
Message-ID: <261999.94953.qm@web81607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Great win and a pretty amazing crowd for a holiday period non-con game. When I saw the crowded parking lot I feared Stanford may have turned out in force but not at all the case. Need to keep up the support. 

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 19 15:35:05 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Dec 19 15:35:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF0BEC991A@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <150258.51094.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

First chance I've had this year to watch most of an NU game -- LOVED the defensive intensity (steals) and rebounds, and ball movement. Cringed at the free throw shooting, but at least we were getting the other team into foul trouble.

But most of all, it was really fun to watch our kids play as a team -- not sure how they'll fare in a rugged Big Ten this year, but I like our quiet confidence and heart to not get flustered when it got close at the end. And it was great seeing Fitz and his boys there.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - We should be playing Stanford in every sport! It's turning into a nice rivalry on the court and it would be a great series in football as well. We're natural intersectional rivals. Let the Domers and Spoiled Children have their annual battle -- I'd love seeing Harbaugh vs. Fitz every year on the field, basketball battles and more!

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!



      

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Dec 19 16:28:18 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Dec 19 16:28:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
Message-ID: <724406.1261261698812.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

The announcers indicated that this was the first time we'd defeated Stanford since 1962. Talk about making me feel my age: I went to that game in '62 when I was a kid. It was in a holiday tournament called the Los Angeles Basketball Classic. I still have my program from the game, too!

Jim B.


-----Original Message-----
>From: wildelk2@aol.com
>Sent: Dec 19, 2009 4:25 PM
>To: Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com, nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
>
>
>  A stat was presented during the game today; all 4 of our losses to Stanford ( which occured in the last 4 years) were by 6 points or less.  Fast forward to today; we got a little tentative and let a 10 point lead get whittled to 1; then won the game.  
>   This was a big win, no question about it.  We got Stanford in foul trouble, and did enough to take advantage of the situation.  Free throw shooting was lousy in the 1st half; OK in the 2nd. 
>  Stanford had Kentucky and Oklahoma St. on the ropes, but missed free throws.  We made them in the 2nd half; Shurna was awesome; especially in the 1st half.  
>   I'm looking forward to next week; Illinois and Michigan St.  If we go 3-5 our first 8 "in conference games", and beat the 2 road kill teams mixed in, I think we'll make hay the second half of conference play and make the tournement.  Great game to watch!    GO   CATS!!    Eric
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Weinbaum, Willie <Willie.Weinbaum@espn.com>
>To: 'nwu-sports@tssi.com' <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:07 pm
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
>
>
>Perhaps the first national ranking for Cats in 40 years awaits???
>
>>From Blackberry - please excuse typos
>W. Weinbaum
>roducer
>12-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
>illie.weinbaum@espn.com
>----- Original Message -----
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>o: nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>ent: Sat Dec 19 16:04:56 2009Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
>Eighth straight win.
>
>John Shurna, 21 points.
>
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From wildelk2 at aol.com  Sat Dec 19 16:55:23 2009
From: wildelk2 at aol.com (wildelk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec 19 16:55:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
In-Reply-To: <150258.51094.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC4F157B36D32C-5C74-1A5D9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>


Steven,

   As a basketball junkie, I appreciate the comments about our Cats.  Wins vs. Notre Dame, Iowa State, NC State and Stanford spell a new breed of Cat.   
   From my view. we should split the Big 10 schuedule barring injury, which has been a problem.  A nice win todat to be sure!    GO CATS!!   Eric


-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:35 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62


First chance I've had this year to watch most of an NU game -- LOVED the 
efensive intensity (steals) and rebounds, and ball movement. Cringed at the 
ree throw shooting, but at least we were getting the other team into foul 
rouble.
But most of all, it was really fun to watch our kids play as a team -- not sure 
ow they'll fare in a rugged Big Ten this year, but I like our quiet confidence 
nd heart to not get flustered when it got close at the end. And it was great 
eeing Fitz and his boys there.
GO CATS!!!
SjT
PS - We should be playing Stanford in every sport! It's turning into a nice 
ivalry on the court and it would be a great series in football as well. We're 
atural intersectional rivals. Let the Domers and Spoiled Children have their 
nnual battle -- I'd love seeing Harbaugh vs. Fitz every year on the field, 
asketball battles and more!
* * * * * * * * *
TEPHEN J. TRUOG
jtruog@yahoo.com
O CATS!!!

      
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sat Dec 19 19:01:08 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Sat Dec 19 19:01:17 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
In-Reply-To: <8CC4F157B36D32C-5C74-1A5D9@webmail-m009.sysops.aol.com>
References: <150258.51094.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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and if you're right, and if we go 8-8 in conference and don't squander the
three non-conference games thrown in the middle and we should,  tournament
bound..........

On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 5:55 PM, <wildelk2@aol.com> wrote:

>
> Steven,
>
>   As a basketball junkie, I appreciate the comments about our Cats.  Wins
> vs. Notre Dame, Iowa State, NC State and Stanford spell a new breed of Cat.
>   From my view. we should split the Big 10 schuedule barring injury, which
> has been a problem.  A nice win todat to be sure!    GO CATS!!   Eric
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Sat, Dec 19, 2009 4:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
>
>
> First chance I've had this year to watch most of an NU game -- LOVED the
> efensive intensity (steals) and rebounds, and ball movement. Cringed at the
> ree throw shooting, but at least we were getting the other team into foul
> rouble.
> But most of all, it was really fun to watch our kids play as a team -- not
> sure
> ow they'll fare in a rugged Big Ten this year, but I like our quiet
> confidence
> nd heart to not get flustered when it got close at the end. And it was
> great
> eeing Fitz and his boys there.
> GO CATS!!!
> SjT
> PS - We should be playing Stanford in every sport! It's turning into a nice
> ivalry on the court and it would be a great series in football as well.
> We're
> atural intersectional rivals. Let the Domers and Spoiled Children have
> their
> nnual battle -- I'd love seeing Harbaugh vs. Fitz every year on the field,
> asketball battles and more!
> * * * * * * * * *
> TEPHEN J. TRUOG
> jtruog@yahoo.com
> O CATS!!!
>
>
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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Sat Dec 19 20:30:39 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Sat Dec 19 20:34:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
Message-ID: <20091219.203039.18797.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

Fitz was at the game.  7th row underneath the 2nd half offensive basket with one of his sons eating popcorn.

Tavaras spoke at the FBC reception prior to the game along with Jitim(his birthday is today -- there was cake at the reception).  Jitin played in Poland last year.  He has enjoyed greece the most of his euorpean tour.  He has counseled Juice on multiple occasions.  We displayed our admiration of his playing big and just general guts.  Tavaras talked about the recruit and how Coble and Ryan(I'm shocked) are back next year.  He talked about becoming Duke.  Personally our student-ahtletes should follow a higher standard.

We got confirmation about the 4K-ish outback bowl tickets remaining from a reliable source.  Kind of depressing.  The person we talked to bought 14 tickets compared to their 3-4 season tickets and we bought 5 for our 3 season tickets.  Now who hasn't bought/donated tickets?

The men have beaten ACC, Big 12, Pac 10, and Big East.  The women's team have beaten Big 12, Big East, and SEC opponents.  Awesome.

I can't think of a year with so many NU teams doing well.  If you just consider calendar 2009 -- men's soccer, softball, lacrosse, fencing, football, women's basketball, and men's basketball all had good years.  I think tennis, golf, field hockey, and even cross country had good results this year.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>

First chance I've had this year to watch most of an NU game -- LOVED the defensive intensity (steals) and rebounds, and ball movement. Cringed at the free throw shooting, but at least we were getting the other team into foul trouble.

But most of all, it was really fun to watch our kids play as a team -- not sure how they'll fare in a rugged Big Ten this year, but I like our quiet confidence and heart to not get flustered when it got close at the end. And it was great seeing Fitz and his boys there.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - We should be playing Stanford in every sport! It's turning into a nice rivalry on the court and it would be a great series in football as well. We're natural intersectional rivals. Let the Domers and Spoiled Children have their annual battle -- I'd love seeing Harbaugh vs. Fitz every year on the field, basketball battles and more!


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Dec 19 23:45:06 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat Dec 19 23:44:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
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Glad SjT put it into words because playing as a team is how I see the team
so far this year. In the past we've been one or two big players (Jitim,
Vedran, Coble) and a supporting cast. 

>From the games I've been able to see this year, we're still led by one guy
(Juice) but in every game there are 2 or 3 guys stepping up and filling in
holes and everyone's contribution is needed to make things go right.

Today's game was the closest thing to the Big 10 schedule I've seen, and
once we got the big guys to start committing fouls, we were able to play
slightly ahead. A bigger team or one with a couple of great shooters will
give us trouble, but we should play a lot better at home this year.

All IMHO.

rsl

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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 20 08:02:23 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sun Dec 20 08:02:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
In-Reply-To: <002e01ca8137$956ca470$c045ed50$@com>
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I was at the game yesterday. Great atmosphere despite most of the students being out on break. 

The most encouraging thing is that the Cats toughed out a win despite their woeful 3-point shooting, and some untimely misses from the FT line. The 1-3-1 defense just made Standford look silly most of the time, and eventually helped the Cats open up some breathing room.

Better foes lie ahead, no doubt, and shooting like they did on Saturday won't be enough in most Big 10 games. But this is fundamentally a good basketball team, and they've got a chance to win a bunch more games. 

Tom



From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 20 08:09:51 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Sun Dec 20 08:09:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
In-Reply-To: <436884.8871.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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PS. Bill Carmody got a nice little round of applause when he walked into the Bluestone restaurant after the game!

Tom

From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 13:02:13 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Sun Dec 20 13:02:32 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
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The difference with this team and past teams is this team has depth, even
with Coble and Ryan out.  Carmody is not afraid to go to his bench and we
don't lose much when he does.   In fact, when he brings in Marcotullio you
generally get an offensive spark, although he didn't shoot too well last
night.  We even have depth in the post for the first time I can recall ever
having with Peljusic, and to a lesser extent, Rowley able to spell Mirkovic
for a few minutes and give him much needed rest.  That will be even more
important in Big Ten play when Peljusic will be getting beat up and will be
more prone to foul trouble.
Mark

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On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:

> PS. Bill Carmody got a nice little round of applause when he walked into
> the Bluestone restaurant after the game!
>
> Tom
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Dec 20 13:27:39 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Dec 20 13:27:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
References: <436884.8871.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com><497551.26918.qm@web33104.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Last night was just the second game I've watched this season, and I must 
admit that this was a different team than the one that Butler embarrassed. 
Shurna looked positively reinvented, the frosh are contributing from the 
bench (something I frankly cannot recall seeing in a Northwestern basketball 
team), Nash has improved offensively while retaining his defensive prowess, 
and Thompson is still Thompson.  It would be nice to have someone the 
caliber of Landry Fields, though.  We still can't rebound because we don't 
have a center.  We rebounded unusually well last night, but I think 
reflected Stanford's weakness in that area and doubt we'll have that kind of 
board success in the Big Ten schedule.  We still don't have a center. 
Mirkovic is passable at best, and even the lighter-than-air version of 
Rawley is still the worst center in Division 1A.  I fear that if we live and 
die by the three and foul shooting, we will die more often than live.  And 
for lord's sake, let's beat Penn State twice (three including the 
tournament?) this season.  We haven't swept them since they entered the Big 
Ten. 

From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Dec 20 18:01:08 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec 20 18:01:12 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcats 70, Stanford 62
Message-ID: <1952483238-1261353665-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1163242257-@bda198.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Any thoughts on our expected seeding. ?  Hopefully higher than 14

Harry
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Sent: Dec 20, 2009 11:02 AM

The difference with this team and past teams is this team has depth, even
with Coble and Ryan out.  Carmody is not afraid to go to his bench and we
don't lose much when he does.   In fact, when he brings in Marcotullio you
generally get an offensive spark, although he didn't shoot too well last
night.  We even have depth in the post for the first time I can recall ever
having with Peljusic, and to a lesser extent, Rowley able to spell Mirkovic
for a few minutes and give him much needed rest.  That will be even more
important in Big Ten play when Peljusic will be getting beat up and will be
more prone to foul trouble.
Mark

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On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:

> PS. Bill Carmody got a nice little round of applause when he walked into
> the Bluestone restaurant after the game!
>
> Tom
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 20 18:04:59 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Dec 20 18:05:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Bowl pool reminder
Message-ID: <439666.29835.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

A quick reminder that bowl pool picks are due by kickoff Tuesday.
My picks for the bowls are below the entry form.
GO CATS!!! Go Big Ten!!!

PIGSKIN PICKS ? BOWL POOL
=========================
Name: 

BIG TEN
-------
GAME  1: Ohio State vs. Oregon (Rose Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  2: Iowa vs. Georgia Tech (Orange Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  3: Penn State vs. Louisiana State (Citrus Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  4: Wisconsin vs. Miami-FL (Champs Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  5: Michigan State vs. Texas Tech (Alamo Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  6: Minnesota vs. Iowa State (Copper Bowl)
WINNER: 

NATIONAL
--------
GAME 7: Alabama vs. Texas (BCS Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  8: Boise State vs. Texas Christian (Fiesta Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME  9: Cincinnati vs. Florida (Sugar Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 10: Mississippi vs. Oklahoma State (Cotton Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 11: Florida State vs. West Virginia (Gator Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 12: Tennessee vs. Virginia Tech (Peach Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 13: Oklahoma vs. Stanford (Sun Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 14: Arizona vs. Nebraska (Holiday Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 15: Georgia vs. Texas A&M (Independence Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 16: Clemson vs. Kentucky (Music City Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 17: Boston College vs. Southern Cal (Emerald Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 18: North Carolina vs. Pittsburgh (Queen City Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 19: California vs. Utah (Poinsettia Bowl)
WINNER: 

GAME 20: Brigham Young vs. Oregon State (Vegas Bowl)
WINNER: 

MY PICKS
========

ROSE BOWL: Ohio State 24, Oregon 21
- The Granddaddy could be the best of ?em all this year in a classic O vs. D struggle. The Quack Attack will be tough to stop, but the Bucks haven?t been here in a long time and want to win one ? without the SC mental block across the field, their D keeps Oregon in check and Tressel gets back to winning big games.

ORANGE BOWL: Iowa 34, Georgia Tech 17
- The key here is that the Hawkeyes have had a month to both heal physically and prepare defensively for the Jacket option attack. With all that time, the team that started the year 9-0 returns, jumps up early and coast to victory.

CITRUS BOWL: Louisiana State 10, Penn State 9
- This may well be a game where the first touchdown wins as the defenses are solid but the offenses are lifeless. PSU had two of those this year and once they fell behind, they seemed to lose confidence. I hope JoePa can turn it around here, but I think the Tigers get that key interception or kick block late to win.

CHAMPS BOWL: Wisconsin 38, Miami 34
- This should be another good game in Orlando, but it will be a battle of offenses here. Wisconsin should be able to pound it down Miami?s throat and the Canes should be able to pass all over the Badgers. Fewest turnovers wins, and after being embarrassed last year by FSU, Bucky comes out fired up and hangs on.

ALAMO BOWL: Texas Tech 49, Michigan State 13
- Does Sparty have anyone left who?s eligible? This will be an ugly game for the Big Ten, no matter which Tech team shows up. If it?s the focused Red Raiders, they could hang 60 on the outmanned Spartans.

INSIGHT BOWL: Minnesota 21, Iowa State 10
- This one all depends on the Gophers? will ? which was absent in November this year, as usual. Last year, Minny chose to use the bowl to try their new ground-oriented offense and were more interested in learning a new system for the outdoor stadium than winning. This year, they come to the Valley to win, and do.

BCS BOWL: Texas 20, Alabama 16
- I don?t feel as sure about this after the title games, but I?ve picked the Horns from day one and will stick with ?em. The last time they were in Pasadena for a title game, everyone told them they had no chance against the Team of the Century from SC with the Heisman winner. This year, I thought it would be Florida as the Team of the Century, but you still have the Heisman winner and overwhelming odds with Bama. Saban?s a master with time to prepare, but Colt McCoy goes out on top in a classic.

FIESTA BOWL: Texas Christian 28, Boise State 21
- Should be a good game in the desert, but it?s a shame we can?t see these two teams face up against the big leagues, as both have legit claims at the title and beating the other just don?t make the case for a split title.

SUGAR BOWL: Florida 56, Cincinnati 10
- There?s a reason Brian Kelly left town in the middle of the night with his tail between his legs ? his team was a collection of smoke and mirrors ? all offense and no defense playing a soft schedule in an overrated league (so he?ll fit right in at South Bend). The team that?s left gets to become Gator Bait for a five-hour love letter to Tim Tebow. The game?s not in doubt ? the only question is what?s the over/under on baby pictures, shots of parents, finding out what Tim had for breakfast that day, downloading what?s on Tim?s iPod and hearing about his latest mission.

COTTON BOWL: Oklahoma State 24, Mississippi 14
- Intriguing game between my preseason darkhorse and everyone else?s preseason darling. I was right about the Rebs being overrated, but my early good feelings on the Cowpokes soured quickly, even in an overrated Big XII. Still, I like Okie State to salvage some of their pride at Jerryworld.

GATOR BOWL: Florida State 38, West Virginia 31
- What?s more nauseating than a five-hour Tebow lovefest? A week of hearing what a good guy po? ole ?echo of the whistle? ?international rules? ?free shoes? grampa Bowden was ? or how his team of Florida recruits beating a Big East team is considered an ?upset.?

PEACH BOWL: Virginia Tech 23, Tennessee 12
- Wonder if Lane has any more stones he?d like to throw before heading back into his glass house of recruiting scandals? His D will be well coached, but Tech?s entire team will be well coached and wants to beat the SEC in Atlanta this time.

SUN BOWL: Oklahoma 20, Stanford 13
- This could be the best matchup El Paso has had in decades, but with the time to prepare, the Sooners will be ready for the bruising attack of the Cardinal and clamp down on defense.

HOLIDAY BOWL: Arizona 16, Nebraska 10
- Tough call as this game is usually an offensive shootout, but Nebraska?s offense couldn?t score if they had three extra players ? yet their defense is amazing. Still, the Pac 10 has been underrated and the Big XII overrated all year and I can?t pick the Sooners and Huskers to both win, can I? 

INDEPENDENCE BOWL: Georgia 35, Texas A&M 24
- Coach Sherman?s best strategy would be to pay the Dawgs to wear burnt orange uniforms.

MUSIC CITY BOWL: Clemson 28, Kentucky 20
- The Tigers should coast, but as we saw when they matched up against South Carolina, they don?t always rise to the occasion.

EMERALD BOWL: Southern Cal 42, Boston College 14
- Something tells me the Eagles? near-perfect bowl record in the last few decades will take a hit from a bunch of Trojans who should be embarrassed to be playing in this minor bowl.

QUEEN CITY BOWL: North Carolina 30, Pittsburgh 26
- Flip a coin here, as both of these teams played great one week this year and then looked awful the next. I refuse to believe in either, but I do think Butch has a coaching edge over the Wannstache.

POINSETTIA BOWL: Utah 36, California 27
- Southern California may not have a pro football team, but between the two games in Pasadena and two in San Diego, they?re the best spot for college football fans this year, as the second-tier San Diego bowl has a better matchup than just about anybody. The Utes pull away late in an exciting one.

VEGAS BOWL: Oregon State 45, Brigham Young 33
- Should be a fun shootout in Vegas with two good teams here as well.

And off the board ?

OUTBACK BOWL: Northwestern 35, Auburn 31
- I?m hoping this is the year ? it will be tough with the high-powered Tigers, but with time to get healthy, the Cats should come out strong against their suspect defense and hang on late after the halftime adjustments to start New Year?s Day off right. I hope. I hope.

Remember, picks due by kickoff Tuesday in Vegas!
Go Big Ten!!!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 20:37:26 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Sun Dec 20 20:37:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Prediction
Message-ID: <9a9d92d30912201837p3f517dd7n26da45e07c6b2ef5@mail.gmail.com>

NU Basketball team goes 12-6 in conference. Decent seed in NCAA
tournament leads to making the sweet 16, when we lose a tough game to
a monster team.

I'm writing it now so I can resurface this email when it actually
happens, and you can all be annoyed when I say "I told you so."

From jintsjason at me.com  Sun Dec 20 20:47:20 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sun Dec 20 20:47:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Prediction
In-Reply-To: <9a9d92d30912201837p3f517dd7n26da45e07c6b2ef5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9a9d92d30912201837p3f517dd7n26da45e07c6b2ef5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <816F5546-B26C-4275-9195-CBA6F41A73D4@me.com>

In that case, let me be the first to say:
2009-2010 National Champions:
Northwestern Wildcats!!!

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



On Dec 20, 2009, at 6:37 PM, Scott Zeller wrote:

> NU Basketball team goes 12-6 in conference. Decent seed in NCAA
> tournament leads to making the sweet 16, when we lose a tough game to
> a monster team.
> 
> I'm writing it now so I can resurface this email when it actually
> happens, and you can all be annoyed when I say "I told you so."
> 
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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Mon Dec 21 09:33:05 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Mon Dec 21 09:35:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Band at #24 tailgate at 8:45am
Message-ID: <20091221.093305.19969.0@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

http://www.laketheposts.com/2009/12/going-numb-on-outback.html

"...On game day morning, NUMB will make the rounds -- Band Blast (8:30 a.m.), corporate tent village (8:45 a.m.)..."

It sounds like tent #24 will be rocking with Go U at 8:45am.  Hopefully we have some good voices otherwise it will just be two off-key techweens(spouse and I) singing loudly and proudly.

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Dec 21 11:42:54 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Dec 21 11:44:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw: Big Ten expansion discussion today, 2:30p E
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301357FFC@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>



From Blackberry - please excuse typos

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________________________________
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To: Weinbaum, Willie
Sent: Mon Dec 21 12:40:52 2009
Subject: Big Ten expansion discussion today, 2:30p E

Outside the Lines - First Report
Monday, December 21, 2009
2:30pm ET on ESPN
For updates throughout the day, check the OTL webpage: http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/otl/index


FIRST REPORT: The Bigger Ten

The Big Ten, one of the most successful conferences in college sports, recently announced its desire to expand to twelve schools; a move that would allow it to join football's other power conferences in ultimately staging its own revenue-producing championship game and keep itself relevant past the end of its regular season in mid-November. The discussion of potential new members has included Missouri of the Big 12 and Big East schools Rutgers and Pittsburgh amongst others.  While the monetary benefits of such a move are undeniable, Pittsburgh men?s basketball coach Jamie Dixon said last week that he does not support it.  "I can't see how any [Big East] team would improve where they're at by movement," Dixon said. "It's great talk. It's exciting to hear about it and talk about it. But at the end of the day who is going to improve their position from our conference? Nobody."  Today on Outside the Lines, the impact of potential Big Ten expansion and its ripple effect on the current structure of collegiate sports.

POLL QUESTION:
Which of these schools is the best fit for the Big Ten?

- Missouri

- Notre Dame

- Pittsburgh

- Rutgers

- Syracuse
From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Dec 21 13:29:40 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Dec 21 13:29:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw: Big Ten expansion discussion today, 2:30p E
References: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC301357FFC@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>
Message-ID: <6E89C865B09D49D4BC010FFDCAF4A6F0@DennisMachine>

> POLL QUESTION:
> Which of these schools is the best fit for the Big Ten?
>
> - Missouri
>
> - Notre Dame
>
> - Pittsburgh
>
> - Rutgers
>
> - Syracuse
>

Easy.  Notre Dame with Missouri a distant second.  They are the only logical 
choices.  The other three are eastern teams and should stay there.  Better 
yet, drop Penn State and add Notre Dame AND Missouri. 

From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Dec 21 13:51:40 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec 21 13:51:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw: Big Ten expansion discussion today, 2:30p E
Message-ID: <1536753139-1261425102-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-645875565-@bda198.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I'm not sure what PSU deal was coming to the BT but can the conference just boot them at their discretion or does PSU have to agree?  

In any event I doubt PSU would be interested in going back to being an INDY.  IF ND is looking to abandon that status it is hard to believe any school save perhaps the spoiled children would want to go the Indy route

Harry
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Sent: Dec 21, 2009 11:29 AM

> POLL QUESTION:
> Which of these schools is the best fit for the Big Ten?
>
> - Missouri
>
> - Notre Dame
>
> - Pittsburgh
>
> - Rutgers
>
> - Syracuse
>

Easy.  Notre Dame with Missouri a distant second.  They are the only logical 
choices.  The other three are eastern teams and should stay there.  Better 
yet, drop Penn State and add Notre Dame AND Missouri. 

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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Dec 21 14:09:29 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Dec 21 14:09:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw: Big Ten expansion discussion today, 2:30p E
References: <1536753139-1261425102-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-645875565-@bda198.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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> I'm not sure what PSU deal was coming to the BT but can the conference 
> just boot them at their discretion or does PSU have to agree?
>
I very much doubt Penn State will leave the Big Ten.  It's just that they 
are an eastern school and should be playing natural rivals here in the east, 
not Minnesota and Northwestern. 

From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Dec 21 14:33:28 2009
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec 21 14:33:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw: Big Ten expansion discussion today, 2:30p E
Message-ID: <c12.6bff6dfe.38613598@aol.com>

While the transition for Penn State has not always been smooth, and  
although many of us in the East regret that PSU's natural rivalries with 'Cuse,  
Pitt, W.Va. and others have been left in the dustbin of history, the fact  
remains that the Nits integration into the BT has reaped benefits for both the 
 prior 10 schools and JoePa U.  They have been worthy opponents on many of  
the athletic battlefields, and, perhaps of equal importance, have given the 
BT a  footprint in the Eastern Seaboard television markets (NYC, Philly, 
Boston,  Baltimore, Washington) that it would otherwise not have had.  JoePa 
has  brought luster and honor to the Conference, and when he finally departs 
the  scene, we shall not see his like again (unless, of course, Fitz can 
fill the  bill:-)).  So taking any gratuitous shots in the direction of Happy 
Valley  would not seem to be appropriate.  In fact, I am looking forward to  
hopefully seeing Fitz's young men play there next Fall--less than an hour 
from  where my son is matriculating (at Bucknell); he and I have a father/son 
event  planned for the occasion.
 
I head down to Longboat Key tomorrow.  Less than 11 days to  kickoff!
 
Paul Levinson
 
Paul Levinson
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 21 17:15:19 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Dec 21 17:15:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw: Big Ten expansion discussion today, 2:30p E
In-Reply-To: <6E89C865B09D49D4BC010FFDCAF4A6F0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <229190.10745.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Easy.? Notre Dame with Missouri a distant
> second.? They are the only logical 
> choices.? The other three are eastern teams and should
> stay there.? Better 
> yet, drop Penn State and add Notre Dame AND Missouri. 

I'd rather drive to Happy Valley than Columbia, Missouri (and yes, I've been to both).

Notre Dame is a natural fit but their ego makes them blind to that fact, so forget about it.

Mizzou might be nice in hoops, but PSU is a far more natural fit than Mizzou in most respects -- the people, academics, athletics, tradition, etc. PA-OH is a natural border rivalry. Mizzou-Illinois, try as they might, is not Kansas-Missouri. That's where the border rivalry is there. St. Louis and Kansas City are not Big Ten cities. Pittsburgh and Philly are.

I think PSU has been a great fit and it's been mutually beneficial for everyone involved.

Speaking of which, PSU's volleyball title match with Texas was pretty thrilling this weekend (caught the very end in between frustrated attempts to turn away from the Saints game).

Someone was telling me the other day that every Big Ten school has won a national title in at least one NCAA sport this decade - anyone know if it's true? Just found it interesting but wanted to check into it.

Off the top of my head ...

NU - Women's LAX
OSU - Football
PSU - Volleyball
WIS - Hockey
MSU - Men's basketball, Hockey
MICH - Softball
MIN - Hockey, Wrestling
IOWA - Wrestling
IND - Soccer
ILL - ???
PUR - ??? (women's basketball was 1999)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 21 18:16:44 2009
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Mon Dec 21 18:16:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw: Big Ten expansion discussion today, 2:30p E
In-Reply-To: <229190.10745.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <229190.10745.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <686528.89443.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Illinois won the Men's Tennis championship in 2003.




________________________________
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com; Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 5:15:19 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fw: Big Ten expansion discussion today, 2:30p E


Off the top of my head ...

NU - Women's LAX
OSU - Football
PSU - Volleyball
WIS - Hockey
MSU - Men's basketball, Hockey
MICH - Softball
MIN - Hockey, Wrestling
IOWA - Wrestling
IND - Soccer
ILL - ???
PUR - ??? (women's basketball was 1999)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 21 18:36:39 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Dec 21 18:36:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw: Big Ten expansion discussion today, 2:30p E
In-Reply-To: <686528.89443.qm@web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6286.57261.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Aaah, thanks.

My friend must have heard this last year then (so Purdue's 1999 women's basketball title counts).

Still, nice to see everyone in the league excelling in something or another. Now let's hope we can all do well in bowl games this year!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


--- On Mon, 12/21/09, Evans Schoeman <eschoeman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Evans Schoeman <eschoeman@sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Fw: Big Ten expansion discussion today, 2:30p E
> To: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>, nwu-sports@tssi.com, "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> Date: Monday, December 21, 2009, 5:16 PM
> Illinois won the Men's
> Tennis championship in 2003.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: SjT
> (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> To:
> nwu-sports@tssi.com; Dennis W. Brandt
> <tbng@comcast.net>
> Sent: Mon,
> December 21, 2009 5:15:19 PM
> Subject: Re:
> [NU Sports] Fw: Big Ten expansion discussion today, 2:30p E
> 
> 
> Off the top of my head ...
> 
> NU - Women's LAX
> OSU - Football
> PSU - Volleyball
> WIS - Hockey
> MSU - Men's basketball, Hockey
> MICH - Softball
> MIN - Hockey, Wrestling
> IOWA - Wrestling
> IND - Soccer
> ILL - ???
> PUR - ??? (women's basketball was 1999)
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
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From mzilka at sbcglobal.net  Mon Dec 21 19:25:23 2009
From: mzilka at sbcglobal.net (Marilyn J Zilka)
Date: Mon Dec 21 19:25:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
Message-ID: <3150.90045.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


________________________________

NU still has several thousand Outback Bowl tickets from their allotment?that have not been sold. But I know there will be lots of purple in the stands because of seats bought on StubHub etc.
?
I know many of you on this list are going to the game --but if you are not, and have the capability to do so,
please order a ticket and have it donated to a student or a member of the armed forces.
?
www.nusports.com?? and click donate ticket
?
And please pass this along to other fans you know
?
This is really important for future consideration?of bowl games
From jintsjason at me.com  Mon Dec 21 19:35:17 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Mon Dec 21 19:35:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
In-Reply-To: <3150.90045.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <3150.90045.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1ED4F611-CA8F-47EB-9585-6BCB66D5467F@me.com>

Email I got from NU said they had sold 7,000 and still had 4,000 to sell. So let's get to it!

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Marilyn J Zilka wrote:

> 
> ________________________________
> 
> NU still has several thousand Outback Bowl tickets from their allotment that have not been sold. But I know there will be lots of purple in the stands because of seats bought on StubHub etc.
>  
> I know many of you on this list are going to the game --but if you are not, and have the capability to do so,
> please order a ticket and have it donated to a student or a member of the armed forces.
>  
> www.nusports.com   and click donate ticket
>  
> And please pass this along to other fans you know
>  
> This is really important for future consideration of bowl games
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

From juliepmcfarland at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 21 20:07:36 2009
From: juliepmcfarland at yahoo.com (Julie McFarland)
Date: Mon Dec 21 20:07:56 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
In-Reply-To: <1ED4F611-CA8F-47EB-9585-6BCB66D5467F@me.com>
References: <3150.90045.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<1ED4F611-CA8F-47EB-9585-6BCB66D5467F@me.com>
Message-ID: <238983.19349.qm@web112906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

We donated 2 tickets today!  I corresponded with LTP, and he mentioned that he had received double-digit emails just this morning recounting a similar story to our family's.  Even if you can donate one ticket, that would mean someone else will don purple and (hopefully) witness an NU WIN! 

Go Cats!

Julie Goldmann



----- Original Message ----
From: Jason Singer <jintsjason@me.com>
To: NU Sports List <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Mon, December 21, 2009 8:35:17 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word

Email I got from NU said they had sold 7,000 and still had 4,000 to sell. So let's get to it!

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Marilyn J Zilka wrote:

> 
> ________________________________
> 
> NU still has several thousand Outback Bowl tickets from their allotment that have not been sold. But I know there will be lots of purple in the stands because of seats bought on StubHub etc.
>  
> I know many of you on this list are going to the game --but if you are not, and have the capability to do so,
> please order a ticket and have it donated to a student or a member of the armed forces.
>  
> www.nusports.com   and click donate ticket
>  
> And please pass this along to other fans you know
>  
> This is really important for future consideration of bowl games
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Dec 21 21:36:17 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec 21 21:36:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
Message-ID: <cdc.5d62ebea.386198b1@aol.com>

OK I bought two and donated them today also, this is in addition to the 4 I 
 bought on stubhub, I wish the athletic department had done a better job of 
 telling us what our obligation was and the best way to fulfill it. Some of 
us  are virgins at this NU bowl stuff.
From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Tue Dec 22 06:45:24 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Tue Dec 22 06:48:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
Message-ID: <20091222.064524.20348.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

WTF?

We bought 5 tickets(2 donated) for 3 seats.  We know others we bought a lot more than their season ticket seats.

I can understand non-alumni season ticket holders not buying their allotment, but if you are alumni buy at least your season ticket seat quantity.  This would be a lot more than 11K.

Just disgraceful.

It might have to get to the point where if you don't buy bowl tickets to match your season tickets you lose priority points for that year.

We should have enough alumni within 5 hours driving distance(All of Florida, and a lot of Georgia) of Tampa to easily sell 5K tickets without any of the season ticket base travelling via plane from Chicago.

We'll likely buy a few more to donate based on the plea.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Julie McFarland <juliepmcfarland@yahoo.com>
To: NU Sports List <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:07:36 -0800 (PST)

We donated 2 tickets today!  I corresponded with LTP, and he mentioned that he had received double-digit emails just this morning recounting a similar story to our family's.  Even if you can donate one ticket, that would mean someone else will don purple and (hopefully) witness an NU WIN! 

Go Cats!

Julie Goldmann



----- Original Message ----
From: Jason Singer <jintsjason@me.com>

Email I got from NU said they had sold 7,000 and still had 4,000 to sell. So let's get to it!

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



On Dec 21, 2009, at 5:25 PM, Marilyn J Zilka wrote:

> 
> ________________________________
> 
> NU still has several thousand Outback Bowl tickets from their allotment that have not been sold. But I know there will be lots of purple in the stands because of seats bought on StubHub etc.
>  
> I know many of you on this list are going to the game --but if you are not, and have the capability to do so,
> please order a ticket and have it donated to a student or a member of the armed forces.
>  
> www.nusports.com   and click donate ticket
>  
> And please pass this along to other fans you know
>  
> This is really important for future consideration of bowl games


      

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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Dec 22 07:22:28 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Dec 22 07:22:35 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
References: <20091222.064524.20348.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <385CC16134E64B77A2003018AB11D865@DennisMachine>

> Just disgraceful.
>
> It might have to get to the point where if you don't buy bowl tickets to 
> match your season tickets you lose priority points for that year.

Ve haf vays of making you buy der tickets. 

From DPENDERG at aol.com  Tue Dec 22 07:57:09 2009
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec 22 08:02:39 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
Message-ID: <bd3.4b4c04ba.38622a35@aol.com>

 
I must say that my concern about selling the NU allotment is undermined by  
realization that my tickets are in the corner end zone (Section 120).  For  
a 30+ year season ticket holder.  Can't NU do better than that?    No 
wonder so many NU fans have gone to commercial sources, which I will do next  
time.  No wonder the Athletic Dept is having trouble selling its  allotment, 
but they have no one to blame themselves if the end zone is the best  they can 
offer.  
 
 
In a message dated 12/21/2009 8:29:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mzilka@sbcglobal.net writes:


________________________________

NU still has several  thousand Outback Bowl tickets from their allotment 
that have not been  sold. But I know there will be lots of purple in the 
stands because of seats  bought on StubHub etc.

I know many of you on this list are going  to the game --but if you are 
not, and have the capability to do so,
please  order a ticket and have it donated to a student or a member of the 
armed  forces.

www.nusports.com   and click donate  ticket

And please pass this along to other fans you  know

This is really important for future consideration of  bowl games
_______________________________________________
nwu-sports  site  list
nwu-sports@tssi.com
http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


 
From mzilka at sbcglobal.net  Tue Dec 22 08:46:29 2009
From: mzilka at sbcglobal.net (Marilyn J Zilka)
Date: Tue Dec 22 08:46:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
In-Reply-To: <bd3.4b4c04ba.38622a35@aol.com>
References: <bd3.4b4c04ba.38622a35@aol.com>
Message-ID: <168116.35045.qm@web83503.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I understand completely - but do not blame this on NU.??This has nothing to do with "is this the best?they can get".

If you want to blame and complain, then do so to the Outback Bowl not NU.

Outback is a huge corporate event and every decent seat is pre-sold to sponsors and corporations or Outback Bowl season ticket holders.? 
There are several events including the luncheon which are invite only -- all sponsors, no real fans.



?



________________________________
From: "DPENDERG@aol.com" <DPENDERG@aol.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, December 22, 2009 7:57:09 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word


I must say that my concern about selling the NU allotment is undermined by? 
realization that my tickets are in the corner end zone (Section 120).? For? 
a 30+ year season ticket holder.? Can't NU do better than that?? ? No 
wonder so many NU fans have gone to commercial sources, which I will do next? 
time.? No wonder the Athletic Dept is having trouble selling its? allotment, 
but they have no one to blame themselves if the end zone is the best? they can 
offer.? 


In a message dated 12/21/2009 8:29:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,? 
mzilka@sbcglobal.net writes:


________________________________

NU still has several? thousand Outback Bowl tickets from their allotment 
that have not been? sold. But I know there will be lots of purple in the 
stands because of seats? bought on StubHub etc.

I know many of you on this list are going? to the game --but if you are 
not, and have the capability to do so,
please? order a ticket and have it donated to a student or a member of the 
armed? forces.

www.nusports.com? and click donate? ticket

And please pass this along to other fans you? know

This is really important for future consideration of? bowl games
_______________________________________________
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Dec 22 08:50:41 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Dec 22 08:51:11 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
In-Reply-To: <bd3.4b4c04ba.38622a35@aol.com>
References: <bd3.4b4c04ba.38622a35@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270912220650p4ca1c390r2a95fe4d10cc79c8@mail.gmail.com>

FYI, Check out the seating diagram here:

http://www.outbackbowl.com/tickets/diagram.html

You'll see that the school seating allotments (in red) are either in the
corner & end zone on the first level or at the bottom of the second level.
All of the club & member seats (in yellow, blue, and green) go to the
sponsors and those who fork over an annual fee for the tickets (local
companies & ticket brokers).  This is the way virtually all of the bowl
games work.  Last year NU's seating allotment in the Alamodome was very
similar.  A large group of us (78 this year) went in on tickets and are in
section 121 in the end zone (we were in the second deck last year).

Fortunately many of the bowl games are held at NFL venues which have pretty
good seating just about anywhere.  If I was in the south end zone at Ryan
Field, though, I would be not very happy at all.

Jonathan

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 7:57 AM, <DPENDERG@aol.com> wrote:

>
> I must say that my concern about selling the NU allotment is undermined by
> realization that my tickets are in the corner end zone (Section 120).  For
> a 30+ year season ticket holder.  Can't NU do better than that?    No
> wonder so many NU fans have gone to commercial sources, which I will do
> next
> time.  No wonder the Athletic Dept is having trouble selling its
>  allotment,
> but they have no one to blame themselves if the end zone is the best  they
> can
> offer.
>
>
> In a message dated 12/21/2009 8:29:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> mzilka@sbcglobal.net writes:
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> NU still has several  thousand Outback Bowl tickets from their allotment
> that have not been  sold. But I know there will be lots of purple in the
> stands because of seats  bought on StubHub etc.
>
> I know many of you on this list are going  to the game --but if you are
> not, and have the capability to do so,
> please  order a ticket and have it donated to a student or a member of the
> armed  forces.
>
> www.nusports.com   and click donate  ticket
>
> And please pass this along to other fans you  know
>
> This is really important for future consideration of  bowl games
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports  site  list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>
>
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>
From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Tue Dec 22 09:12:05 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Tue Dec 22 09:14:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
Message-ID: <20091222.091205.10661.0@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

We bought club seats through NU.  We received tickets between the 20-30(section 112) row L, which I thought were decent.  Not near as good as our Dyche seats, but still quite nice.

I figure we are spending considerable $$ to get down there we shouldn't skimp on the $70 tickets.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: DPENDERG@aol.com
 
I must say that my concern about selling the NU allotment is undermined by  
realization that my tickets are in the corner end zone (Section 120).  For  
a 30+ year season ticket holder.  Can't NU do better than that?    No 
wonder so many NU fans have gone to commercial sources, which I will do next  
time.  No wonder the Athletic Dept is having trouble selling its  allotment, 
but they have no one to blame themselves if the end zone is the best  they can 
offer.  
 
 
In a message dated 12/21/2009 8:29:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mzilka@sbcglobal.net writes:


________________________________

NU still has several  thousand Outback Bowl tickets from their allotment 
that have not been  sold. But I know there will be lots of purple in the 
stands because of seats  bought on StubHub etc.

I know many of you on this list are going  to the game --but if you are 
not, and have the capability to do so,
please  order a ticket and have it donated to a student or a member of the 
armed  forces.

www.nusports.com   and click donate  ticket

And please pass this along to other fans you  know

This is really important for future consideration of  bowl games
_______________________________________________
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http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports


 
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From dpenderg at aol.com  Tue Dec 22 09:14:42 2009
From: dpenderg at aol.com (dpenderg@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec 22 09:15:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
Message-ID: <48a6.26091247.38623c62@aol.com>

 
But a great many NU fans are not among the sponsors/corporations and have  
gone commercial to get good seats. I am sorry not to be among them.   
Athletic Dept perhaps should be a little more honest since they  presumably knew 
the allotment would be in the end zone but played the  loyalty harp to sell 
them.  I agree that Outback Bowl is at fault as well  when they want bowl 
team supporters to make the costly travel commitment to come  and spend big 
bucks locally and then are relegated to end zone seats.  We  expect this to 
happen when we travel to Iowa City or State College, but the  bowls really 
could do better.  And NU should be more open about what they  have been given 
and it is indeed "the best they can get" by their own admission. 
 
 
In a message dated 12/22/2009 9:46:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
mzilka@sbcglobal.net writes:

I understand completely - but do not blame this on NU.  This  has nothing 
to do with "is this the best they can get".
 
If you want to blame and complain, then do so to the Outback Bowl not  NU.
 
Outback is a huge corporate event and every decent seat  is pre-sold to 
sponsors and corporations or Outback Bowl season ticket  holders.  
There are several events including the luncheon which are invite only --  
all sponsors, no real fans.
 
 



 
____________________________________
 From: "DPENDERG@aol.com"  <DPENDERG@aol.com>
To:  nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent:  Tue, December 22, 2009 7:57:09 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Needs your  help - pass the word


I must say that my concern about  selling the NU allotment is undermined by 
 
realization that my  tickets are in the corner end zone (Section 120).  For 
 
a 30+  year season ticket holder.  Can't NU do better than that?    No  
wonder so many NU fans have gone to commercial sources, which I will do  
next  
time.  No wonder the Athletic Dept is having trouble  selling its  
allotment, 
but they have no one to blame themselves if  the end zone is the best  they 
can 
offer.  


In a  message dated 12/21/2009 8:29:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
_mzilka@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:mzilka@sbcglobal.net)   writes:


________________________________

NU still has  several  thousand Outback Bowl tickets from their allotment 
that have  not been  sold. But I know there will be lots of purple in the 
stands  because of seats  bought on StubHub etc.

I know many of you on  this list are going  to the game --but if you are 
not, and have the  capability to do so,
please  order a ticket and have it donated to a  student or a member of the 
armed  forces.

_www.nusports.com_ (http://www.nusports.com/)   and click donate   ticket

And please pass this along to other fans you   know

This is really important for future consideration of  bowl  games
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 22 09:39:27 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Dec 22 09:39:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
In-Reply-To: <20091222.064524.20348.1@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <126352.74763.qm@web33108.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> I can understand non-alumni season ticket holders not
> buying their allotment, but if you are alumni buy at least
> your season ticket seat quantity.? This would be a lot
> more than 11K.

How many season ticket holders do you think there are? I would have to imagine the number isn't much bigger than 11k. 

And, while many of our season ticket holders are probably retired and/or financially secure, I'll bet more than a few our out of work right now. Based on the number of extremely bright, skilled, and experienced folks I know who are out of work, it could be well more than a few. I expect bowl attendance this year is going to be pretty crappy relative to "normal" years. 

As for the bowl seat locations, that is always a problem. The school allotments almost always seem to be in the worst locations. It's why I bough tickets directly from the Alamo bowl rather than through NU back in 2000. I don't like the idea of spending a significant portion of my annual vacation budget on a bowl game only to end up relegated to crappy seats.

That said, if we had been able to go this year, I probably would have bought tickets through NU because I derive a lot of enjoyment from watching our team play and want the players and coaches to continue to have opportunities like this. But if the seats were crappy, I'd be complaining about it.

It's certainly not NU's fault. If anything, it's the Big Ten that needs to negotiate better deals. Not gonna happen though. The key is not to delude yourself over why these bowls exist and how they operate. It's all about money for most of the folks involved. 

So I'm not comfortable criticizing anyone who buys better and/or cheaper seats elsewhere. It's not like this is about immunizing children or feeding the hungry. It's a very commercial operation, and I can't argue with anyone who treats it as such. 

Tom


From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Tue Dec 22 10:29:45 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Tue Dec 22 10:31:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
Message-ID: <20091222.102945.28775.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

I have heard we have 20K season ticket holders.

We all should realize the best bowl tickets don't go to the schools they go to the sponsors.  Economics 101.

If you want good bowl seats buy your tickets via scalpers, but donate your season ticket seats.  If you can afford to go to the bowl you can afford to donate between $70-$280(1 - 4 tickets).

Yes, I understand there are people unemployed and that is why I don't expect every single season ticket holder to buy their allotment, but if you hold season tickets and are going to the bowl you dang well should buy from NU's allottment.  

If you are attending the bowl and don't have season tickets you should buy from NU's allotment, otherwise the next bowl might not be in a desirable area for yourself.

Anybody who does not buy their tickets from NU should think twice before complaining about anything bowl related, because IMO it would be hypocritical.

Big-time athletics are an expensive business and beyond TV contracts it is funded by donations(Gridiron Network, Fast Break Club, Wildcat Fund, etc.) and ticket sales, which are entirely up to us(Northwestern community)!

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com>

> I can understand non-alumni season ticket holders not
> buying their allotment, but if you are alumni buy at least
> your season ticket seat quantity.? This would be a lot
> more than 11K.

How many season ticket holders do you think there are? I would have to imagine the number isn't much bigger than 11k. 

And, while many of our season ticket holders are probably retired and/or financially secure, I'll bet more than a few our out of work right now. Based on the number of extremely bright, skilled, and experienced folks I know who are out of work, it could be well more than a few. I expect bowl attendance this year is going to be pretty crappy relative to "normal" years. 

As for the bowl seat locations, that is always a problem. The school allotments almost always seem to be in the worst locations. It's why I bough tickets directly from the Alamo bowl rather than through NU back in 2000. I don't like the idea of spending a significant portion of my annual vacation budget on a bowl game only to end up relegated to crappy seats.

That said, if we had been able to go this year, I probably would have bought tickets through NU because I derive a lot of enjoyment from watching our team play and want the players and coaches to continue to have opportunities like this. But if the seats were crappy, I'd be complaining about it.

It's certainly not NU's fault. If anything, it's the Big Ten that needs to negotiate better deals. Not gonna happen though. The key is not to delude yourself over why these bowls exist and how they operate. It's all about money for most of the folks involved. 

So I'm not comfortable criticizing anyone who buys better and/or cheaper seats elsewhere. It's not like this is about immunizing children or feeding the hungry. It's a very commercial operation, and I can't argue with anyone who treats it as such. 

Tom


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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Dec 22 10:31:34 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Dec 22 10:32:01 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
In-Reply-To: <48a6.26091247.38623c62@aol.com>
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I understand the frustration about being complicit in this bowl game
con.

The bottom line, however, is that the con works and that's why there are
so many bowl games.

Our part in this scheme is to buy up all the least desirable seats as a
means to demonstrate that our school has strong fan and alum support.

This is how it works at EVERY bowl game (NU and otherwise) that I've
been to.

The promise is if we DO buy up all the Outback end zone seats at
inflated prices, and our football team continues to do well on the
field, we will earn the privilege to buy end zone seats somewhere again
next year.

Unless something changes at the last minute, I won't be able to attend
this year because we are trying to get some new financing in place
before the end of the year.  I still bought some tickets for donation
even though it does perpetuate this strange system.

Jeff


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On Behalf Of dpenderg@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 10:15 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word


 
But a great many NU fans are not among the sponsors/corporations and
have  
gone commercial to get good seats. I am sorry not to be among them.   
Athletic Dept perhaps should be a little more honest since they
presumably knew the allotment would be in the end zone but played the
loyalty harp to sell them.  I agree that Outback Bowl is at fault as
well  when they want bowl team supporters to make the costly travel
commitment to come  and spend big bucks locally and then are relegated
to end zone seats.  We  expect this to happen when we travel to Iowa
City or State College, but the  bowls really could do better.  And NU
should be more open about what they  have been given and it is indeed
"the best they can get" by their own admission. 
 
 
In a message dated 12/22/2009 9:46:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mzilka@sbcglobal.net writes:

I understand completely - but do not blame this on NU.  This  has
nothing to do with "is this the best they can get".
 
If you want to blame and complain, then do so to the Outback Bowl not
NU.
 
Outback is a huge corporate event and every decent seat  is pre-sold to
sponsors and corporations or Outback Bowl season ticket  holders.  
There are several events including the luncheon which are invite only --
all sponsors, no real fans.
 
 



 
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 From: "DPENDERG@aol.com"  <DPENDERG@aol.com>
To:  nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent:  Tue, December 22, 2009 7:57:09 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Needs your  help - pass the word


I must say that my concern about  selling the NU allotment is undermined
by 
 
realization that my  tickets are in the corner end zone (Section 120).
For 
 
a 30+  year season ticket holder.  Can't NU do better than that?    No  
wonder so many NU fans have gone to commercial sources, which I will do
next time.  No wonder the Athletic Dept is having trouble  selling its
allotment, but they have no one to blame themselves if  the end zone is
the best  they can offer.  


In a  message dated 12/21/2009 8:29:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
_mzilka@sbcglobal.net_ (mailto:mzilka@sbcglobal.net)   writes:


________________________________

NU still has  several  thousand Outback Bowl tickets from their
allotment that have  not been  sold. But I know there will be lots of
purple in the stands  because of seats  bought on StubHub etc.

I know many of you on  this list are going  to the game --but if you are
not, and have the  capability to do so, please  order a ticket and have
it donated to a  student or a member of the armed  forces.

_www.nusports.com_ (http://www.nusports.com/)   and click donate
ticket

And please pass this along to other fans you   know

This is really important for future consideration of  bowl  games
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From artmiller_news at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 22 10:40:30 2009
From: artmiller_news at yahoo.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Tue Dec 22 10:40:45 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] ticket donation thoughts
Message-ID: <217099.64026.qm@web113814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Regarding the numerous pleas to purchase tickets so as to buy out our bowl allotment:  Wouldn't it be a better choice to simply make an equivalent cash donation to the Athletic Dept.?  After all, why not allow Phillips & Co. do determine the best use of their funds in consideration of ALL the needs of the football program.  Perhaps in their judgement the best use of an extra $210,000 would indeed be to buy an additional 3000 bowl tix, but I'll bet there are more pressing uses for this money that would make a more direct and lasting impact to our program.

Besides, by donating cash the giver is able to claim a tax deduction, potentially allowing them to give more for the same net after-tax cost.  Besides, we have no assurance that the recipients of donated tickets will wear purple or even root for the Cats.


      

From bbds5951 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 22 10:59:07 2009
From: bbds5951 at yahoo.com (Bill Bender)
Date: Tue Dec 22 10:59:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
In-Reply-To: <20091222.102945.28775.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <688890.44301.qm@web34307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You make some valid points.  In fact, you just convinced me to donate 4 tix (same as my season allotment), in addition to the one I will occupy at the game. 

At the very least it's good karma, writeoff or not.

BB

--- On Tue, 12/22/09, mlinhardt@netzero.com <mlinhardt@netzero.com> wrote:

> From: mlinhardt@netzero.com <mlinhardt@netzero.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 22, 2009, 10:29 AM
> I have heard we have 20K season
> ticket holders.
> 
> We all should realize the best bowl tickets don't go to the
> schools they go to the sponsors.? Economics 101.
> 
> If you want good bowl seats buy your tickets via scalpers,
> but donate your season ticket seats.? If you can afford
> to go to the bowl you can afford to donate between
> $70-$280(1 - 4 tickets).
> 
> Yes, I understand there are people unemployed and that is
> why I don't expect every single season ticket holder to buy
> their allotment, but if you hold season tickets and are
> going to the bowl you dang well should buy from NU's
> allottment.? 
> 
> If you are attending the bowl and don't have season tickets
> you should buy from NU's allotment, otherwise the next bowl
> might not be in a desirable area for yourself.
> 
> Anybody who does not buy their tickets from NU should think
> twice before complaining about anything bowl related,
> because IMO it would be hypocritical.
> 
> Big-time athletics are an expensive business and beyond TV
> contracts it is funded by donations(Gridiron Network, Fast
> Break Club, Wildcat Fund, etc.) and ticket sales, which are
> entirely up to us(Northwestern community)!
> 
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com>
> 
> > I can understand non-alumni season ticket holders not
> > buying their allotment, but if you are alumni buy at
> least
> > your season ticket seat quantity.? This would be a
> lot
> > more than 11K.
> 
> How many season ticket holders do you think there are? I
> would have to imagine the number isn't much bigger than 11k.
> 
> 
> And, while many of our season ticket holders are probably
> retired and/or financially secure, I'll bet more than a few
> our out of work right now. Based on the number of extremely
> bright, skilled, and experienced folks I know who are out of
> work, it could be well more than a few. I expect bowl
> attendance this year is going to be pretty crappy relative
> to "normal" years. 
> 
> As for the bowl seat locations, that is always a problem.
> The school allotments almost always seem to be in the worst
> locations. It's why I bough tickets directly from the Alamo
> bowl rather than through NU back in 2000. I don't like the
> idea of spending a significant portion of my annual vacation
> budget on a bowl game only to end up relegated to crappy
> seats.
> 
> That said, if we had been able to go this year, I probably
> would have bought tickets through NU because I derive a lot
> of enjoyment from watching our team play and want the
> players and coaches to continue to have opportunities like
> this. But if the seats were crappy, I'd be complaining about
> it.
> 
> It's certainly not NU's fault. If anything, it's the Big
> Ten that needs to negotiate better deals. Not gonna happen
> though. The key is not to delude yourself over why these
> bowls exist and how they operate. It's all about money for
> most of the folks involved. 
> 
> So I'm not comfortable criticizing anyone who buys better
> and/or cheaper seats elsewhere. It's not like this is about
> immunizing children or feeding the hungry. It's a very
> commercial operation, and I can't argue with anyone who
> treats it as such. 
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Dec 22 11:02:30 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Dec 22 11:03:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] ticket donation thoughts
In-Reply-To: <217099.64026.qm@web113814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <217099.64026.qm@web113814.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270912220902h1d2c1768p2625be504bf0d892@mail.gmail.com>

Note that Northwestern HAS to buy its designated allotment of tickets to the
bowl (11,000 for the Outback, I believe), so they're going to have to get
that money from somewhere.  Read this article about how most bowl teams
actually lose money on bowl trips since they are forced to pay for a bunch
of seats that fans/alumni/etc. don't purchase:

http://www.thewizofodds.com/the_wiz_of_odds/2009/12/playing-in-a-bowl-game-often-a-bad-business-decision.html

Yes, it's a bad system, since bowls typically survive only thanks to these
required ticket allotments (plus TV revenue), especially in light of the
recent Fiesta Bowl campaign contribution story (see following article):

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/12/18/20091218fiesta-bowl-investigation.html

But as a Northwestern fan & alum I'm definitely all for feeding the system
in order to get the NU team in better bowls down the line.  I was one who
thought NU would never be given a chance and would always fall to the bottom
of the pile when it came to bowl selections, but the Outback Bowl obviously
gave NU the chance this year.  It definitely wouldn't look good to "blow it"
by not selling the allotment (which is looking inevitable at this point).

Jonathan

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Arthur Miller <artmiller_news@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Regarding the numerous pleas to purchase tickets so as to buy out our bowl
> allotment:  Wouldn't it be a better choice to simply make an equivalent cash
> donation to the Athletic Dept.?  After all, why not allow Phillips & Co. do
> determine the best use of their funds in consideration of ALL the needs of
> the football program.  Perhaps in their judgement the best use of an extra
> $210,000 would indeed be to buy an additional 3000 bowl tix, but I'll bet
> there are more pressing uses for this money that would make a more direct
> and lasting impact to our program.
>
> Besides, by donating cash the giver is able to claim a tax deduction,
> potentially allowing them to give more for the same net after-tax cost.
>  Besides, we have no assurance that the recipients of donated tickets will
> wear purple or even root for the Cats.
>
>
>
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 22 11:58:04 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Dec 22 11:58:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270912220650p4ca1c390r2a95fe4d10cc79c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <582202.92010.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Seems to me that's the way things were with all bowl seats - even our allotment in Pasadena. Granted I was in the band then, but I know we were end zone corner in the Rose and Citrus, and my brother was in the band corner for the Alamo and Motor City.

Just another reason to scratch your heads and wonder why we're perpetuating the current system. :)

Actually it will be very interesting to watch the bowl attendance figures this year. I've seen a bunch of NFL games with empty seats in recent weeks, and I imagine most of the "now rendered meaningless thanks to the B(C)S" bowl games will be more than half empty as well.

Funny how all the arguments against a playoff just keep falling down - first it was academics (but then came the Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday games), then the grand pageantry of the bowls (which they're now trying to take away from the one bowl in Pasadena that's managed to keep it!) ... now it seems like the "but fans won't be able to travel to playoff games and we want seats filled" argument is falling as well.

I'm sure there will be plenty of purple in Tampa - let's win one of these things before the whole bloated system collapses upon itself!:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Tue Dec 22 13:28:01 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Tue Dec 22 13:31:21 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
Message-ID: <20091222.132801.26967.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

You are making me depressed.

I was really excited about the Outback Bowl until this topic came up.  

Now I am thinking we should eliminate everything except for the Rose Bowl and go back to the rules where only the Big Ten champion goes to the Rose Bowl to play the Pac-10 champion.  Screw the orange, sugar, cotton, and especially screw the mythical national championship.

But under no circumstances would I be for a playoff.  Yuck!

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>

Seems to me that's the way things were with all bowl seats - even our allotment in Pasadena. Granted I was in the band then, but I know we were end zone corner in the Rose and Citrus, and my brother was in the band corner for the Alamo and Motor City.

Just another reason to scratch your heads and wonder why we're perpetuating the current system. :)

Actually it will be very interesting to watch the bowl attendance figures this year. I've seen a bunch of NFL games with empty seats in recent weeks, and I imagine most of the "now rendered meaningless thanks to the B(C)S" bowl games will be more than half empty as well.

Funny how all the arguments against a playoff just keep falling down - first it was academics (but then came the Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday games), then the grand pageantry of the bowls (which they're now trying to take away from the one bowl in Pasadena that's managed to keep it!) ... now it seems like the "but fans won't be able to travel to playoff games and we want seats filled" argument is falling as well.

I'm sure there will be plenty of purple in Tampa - let's win one of these things before the whole bloated system collapses upon itself!:)


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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Dec 22 13:37:12 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec 22 13:37:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] ticket donation thoughts
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270912220902h1d2c1768p2625be504bf0d892@mail.gmail.com>
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As many have said it may be that many of the Bowls will find a shortfall of seats taken do a bad economy. If your team is playing in the 'hood" such as Miami then it may not be an issue,but it may well be that we won't look so bad if most of the others have shortfalls as well. 

Obviously we will find out shortly

.   Looking forward to seeing the Cats in a NYD bowl  for my 3rd time and hope to meet many of you who couldn't make SA last year

Harry
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:02:30 
To: Arthur Miller<artmiller_news@yahoo.com>
Cc: NU Sports List<nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] ticket donation thoughts

Note that Northwestern HAS to buy its designated allotment of tickets to the
bowl (11,000 for the Outback, I believe), so they're going to have to get
that money from somewhere.  Read this article about how most bowl teams
actually lose money on bowl trips since they are forced to pay for a bunch
of seats that fans/alumni/etc. don't purchase:

http://www.thewizofodds.com/the_wiz_of_odds/2009/12/playing-in-a-bowl-game-often-a-bad-business-decision.html

Yes, it's a bad system, since bowls typically survive only thanks to these
required ticket allotments (plus TV revenue), especially in light of the
recent Fiesta Bowl campaign contribution story (see following article):

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/12/18/20091218fiesta-bowl-investigation.html

But as a Northwestern fan & alum I'm definitely all for feeding the system
in order to get the NU team in better bowls down the line.  I was one who
thought NU would never be given a chance and would always fall to the bottom
of the pile when it came to bowl selections, but the Outback Bowl obviously
gave NU the chance this year.  It definitely wouldn't look good to "blow it"
by not selling the allotment (which is looking inevitable at this point).

Jonathan

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Arthur Miller <artmiller_news@yahoo.com>wrote:

> Regarding the numerous pleas to purchase tickets so as to buy out our bowl
> allotment:  Wouldn't it be a better choice to simply make an equivalent cash
> donation to the Athletic Dept.?  After all, why not allow Phillips & Co. do
> determine the best use of their funds in consideration of ALL the needs of
> the football program.  Perhaps in their judgement the best use of an extra
> $210,000 would indeed be to buy an additional 3000 bowl tix, but I'll bet
> there are more pressing uses for this money that would make a more direct
> and lasting impact to our program.
>
> Besides, by donating cash the giver is able to claim a tax deduction,
> potentially allowing them to give more for the same net after-tax cost.
>  Besides, we have no assurance that the recipients of donated tickets will
> wear purple or even root for the Cats.
>
>
>
>
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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 22 13:58:32 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Dec 22 13:58:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
In-Reply-To: <20091222.132801.26967.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <459171.27037.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

> But under no circumstances would I be for a playoff.?
> Yuck!

Same here. 

My complaints about the money-grab and seat allocation issues aside, I wouldn't want to see much in the way of change. 

OK, we could do with 5 or 8 fewer bowls (6-6 should NOT be good enough, and yes, I realize this will leave NU in the cold on occassion). 

But it's a unique aspect of top-tier college football, and one that I would hate to see go away. Bowl trips are a lot of fun, and a great excuse for a mid-winter getaway. 

Make no mistake, if there was any way we could go this year, we'd be there, enjoying the heck out of it, even if watching from less-than-ideal seats. 

Go Cats!
Tom


From scottzel at gmail.com  Tue Dec 22 14:41:47 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Tue Dec 22 14:41:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] amid the ticket concerns
Message-ID: <9a9d92d30912221241m6f5013c2u85eb4e1cef5696a4@mail.gmail.com>

I am a little nervous to even post this, given the vitriol some have for not
buying thru the NU allotment, but we have an extra ticket on the 50-yard
line, NU side, section 110, lower club section, nineteen rows from the
field. Available for face value. We are a group of five NU fans with six
tickets, one of our friends can't go. And oh, before anyone complains --
between the five of us we have bought and donated 12 tickets thru the NU
allotment!

Email me directly if interested.
From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Dec 22 14:51:48 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Dec 22 14:51:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] amid the ticket concerns
References: <9a9d92d30912221241m6f5013c2u85eb4e1cef5696a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <959415B57CAF402AA2322151F56003D4@DennisMachine>

>I am a little nervous to even post this, given the vitriol some have for 
>not
> buying thru the NU allotment, but we have an extra ticket on the 50-yard
> line, NU side, section 110, lower club section, nineteen rows from the
> field. Available for face value. We are a group of five NU fans with six
> tickets, one of our friends can't go. And oh, before anyone complains --
> between the five of us we have bought and donated 12 tickets thru the NU
> allotment!

A post given in the true spirit of political correctness!  Sell the ticket, 
enjoy the game and the trip, and screw anyone who demands you apologize for 
doing either. 

From AirSnod at aol.com  Tue Dec 22 15:23:50 2009
From: AirSnod at aol.com (AirSnod@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec 22 15:24:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] amid the ticket concerns
Message-ID: <c50.60971878.386292e6@aol.com>

Amen!

A post given in the true spirit of political correctness!  Sell  the 
ticket, 
enjoy the game and the trip, and screw anyone who demands you  apologize 
for 
doing either. 

From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Tue Dec 22 17:09:23 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Tue Dec 22 17:12:52 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] amid the ticket concerns
Message-ID: <20091222.170923.25917.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

You donated.  What you do beyond that is your concern.

I have often thought of coming down to a bowl game with NU tickets and buying day of the game 50-yard line seats.  I was kicking myself at the Rose Bowl for buying scalped seats in Chicago and seeing all the USC fans selling extras in prime locations for cheap.

The only reason I don't buy better seats is I really enjoy meeting other NU people.

Btw I got a robo-call from Fitz requesting ticket purchases on my answering machine this afternoon.  Scary.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Scott Zeller <scottzel@gmail.com>

I am a little nervous to even post this, given the vitriol some have for not
buying thru the NU allotment, but we have an extra ticket on the 50-yard
line, NU side, section 110, lower club section, nineteen rows from the
field. Available for face value. We are a group of five NU fans with six
tickets, one of our friends can't go. And oh, before anyone complains --
between the five of us we have bought and donated 12 tickets thru the NU
allotment!

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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Dec 22 17:30:19 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Dec 22 17:30:27 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] amid the ticket concerns
References: <20091222.170923.25917.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
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> You donated.  What you do beyond that is your concern.
> 
Whether you donated or not is no one's business but your own.

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 22 20:11:22 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Dec 22 20:11:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Needs your help - pass the word
In-Reply-To: <20091222.132801.26967.0@webmail10.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <567095.29492.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> You are making me depressed.

Sorry about that - in the Christmas spirit, remember that NU has now been to the Rose, Citrus, Outback, Alamo, Sun and Motor City bowls in the past 15 years! I think if we get to the Insight, we get a free sub sandwich or something.:)

> Now I am thinking we should eliminate everything except for
> the Rose Bowl and go back to the rules where only the Big
> Ten champion goes to the Rose Bowl to play the Pac-10

I don't think we need to do THAT, but we could certainly stand to eliminate 10-20 of the bowl games out there. It's really become a joke how many of these things there are and a reason I limit the bowl pool to 20 (and even at that we were stretching it for interesting games this year!).

I would also be for more Big Ten vs. Pac 10 bowls!

> But under no circumstances would I be for a playoff.?

Well, it won't come soon, but it will come. The bowl system you and I grew up with is dead and gone - the B(C)S has killed it. I won't go all Ross Perot again and drag out charts, but the only bowl that has benefitted from the B(C)S is the Fiesta Bowl. And the only bowl that consistently fills seats and draws crowds and still has held on to tradition is the Rose Bowl - and the B(C)S is targeting that to force them to invite non Big Ten and Pac 10 teams more in the future instead of runners up from the traditional leagues (the only time I recall empty seats in Pasadena in recent years was that year Wazzu and Oklahoma played because the Rose folks couldn't invite Iowa).

Because of our ties to Pasadena, Big Ten fans are in much the same position Notre Dame is with the question of independence - clinging to the past. At least in our case it's more of a reality than mere memories because the Rose Bowl tradition is still mostly alive and in tact -- and this year will be a classic as Big Ten and Pac 10 champ square off for only the fourth time in a decade. But it's fading. A decade or so ago, when Bo said winning the Rose Bowl was more important than a national championship, people believed him. Now it would draw gasps of disbelief among even most Big Ten crowds.

A playoff is coming somewhere down the road. Like Irish independence, we'll keep hanging on to the bowls for a long time and it will take years of humbling before reality sets in. But we're getting there, as the B(C)S has decimated attendance and ratings of most bowl games. Once they ruin the Rose, it will be just about complete. The bowl system is already dead - we just don't realize it yet.

I would love to go back to the olden days, but it ain't gonna happen ... so a playoff is preferable to the current B-C-Mess. But I do think there's a way for bowl games to survive ... sort of, and we're already seeing it happen in Atlanta.

Bowl games will become matching grounds for the mega-games of Septembers future. The Peach Bowl will become the Chick-Fil-A Kickoff classic and match up ACC and SEC powers. The Cotton Bowl will become the Dr. Pepper Kickoff Classic and match Big XII and Big Ten or something.

It could actually be a good thing for college football, as ratings and attendance for the mid-level bowls would increase in these "kickoff classic" formats, college football fans would get big-time games at neutral sites in September and all those host committees, sponsor parties and volunteers the chamber of commerce loves at these bowl games could survive in a new format. They also could revive every 3-4 years as host sites for the 16-team tournament at the end of the season.

It won't be soon, I agree, but right now we're seeing how this B(C)S era system is a house of cards ... the TV contracts won't keep growing if the ratings keep diving, and sooner or later schools will balk at eating all these tickets they must buy. 

But for now, eat drink and be merry in Tampa as the Cats go for a win. And keep fighting to keep Pasadena and the Rose Bowl special. As NU fans who went there in 1996 know, it is a magical place and the best argument to keep the bowls. Unfortunately for those of us who grew up with the old bowl system, it's now the only one.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 22 20:42:12 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Dec 22 20:42:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets
Message-ID: <320725.15075.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I am waiting on my first paycheck in Korea, but I plan to donate two bowl tickets. 

With respect to not selling the 11,000 allotment, I am disappointed that NU isn't more creative. I don't think they do much to educate season ticket holders on the importance of buying through NU. But beyond that, there are two things I can think of to make NU's goal easier.

1) Improve the donating process. I donated 4 Alamo Bowl tickets last year to Big Brothers/Big Sisters of San Antonio, but I had to do the legwork myself. I received the tickets in Nashville, then mailed them overnight to San Antonio and received a tax deduction letter from BBBS. 

NU should step in and make this easier.On the NU bowl ticket website there should be a button that says 'Click here to Donate' and then 4-5 tax deductible options. Perhaps, BBBS, USO, Red Cross (I really don't care which groups). Then when you purchase the tickets, NU sends them directly to the organization and the organization gets your information so that they can send you the tax deduction letter. 

I emailed NU Athletics about this last year and never heard back. 

2) Waive the $8 per ticket fee on donated tickets. If NU is ultimimately going to have to buy 4,000+ tickets then this is a small sacrifice to generate more sales. 

Merry Christmas to you all.

Victory & Honor,
Jim


      

From jintsjason at me.com  Tue Dec 22 21:00:15 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jintsjason)
Date: Tue Dec 22 20:59:33 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets
In-Reply-To: <320725.15075.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <320725.15075.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Great post. Just so you know, there is a button just for donating.  
used if this morning. Safe travels, Jim.

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com

On Dec 22, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
>
> I am waiting on my first paycheck in Korea, but I plan to donate two  
> bowl tickets.
>
> With respect to not selling the 11,000 allotment, I am disappointed  
> that NU isn't more creative. I don't think they do much to educate  
> season ticket holders on the importance of buying through NU. But  
> beyond that, there are two things I can think of to make NU's goal  
> easier.
>
> 1) Improve the donating process. I donated 4 Alamo Bowl tickets last  
> year to Big Brothers/Big Sisters of San Antonio, but I had to do the  
> legwork myself. I received the tickets in Nashville, then mailed  
> them overnight to San Antonio and received a tax deduction letter  
> from BBBS.
>
> NU should step in and make this easier.On the NU bowl ticket website  
> there should be a button that says 'Click here to Donate' and then  
> 4-5 tax deductible options. Perhaps, BBBS, USO, Red Cross (I really  
> don't care which groups). Then when you purchase the tickets, NU  
> sends them directly to the organization and the organization gets  
> your information so that they can send you the tax deduction letter.
>
> I emailed NU Athletics about this last year and never heard back.
>
> 2) Waive the $8 per ticket fee on donated tickets. If NU is  
> ultimimately going to have to buy 4,000+ tickets then this is a  
> small sacrifice to generate more sales.
>
> Merry Christmas to you all.
>
> Victory & Honor,
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Dec 22 21:12:54 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec 22 21:13:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets
In-Reply-To: <CA55CA8E-417E-418E-8E21-4D4DFBA56E25@me.com>
References: <320725.15075.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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NU could also consider hosting a function in Chicago for those that donated tickets as well-One thought would be to have a private party to watch the game somewhere (If a lot of the donors are also going to the game, then perhaps a private party in January somewhere in the area would make sense)-I realize a lot of us ,myself included, dont live nearby,but it might  encourage  local alums to donate --This would help sell tickets, help a good cause, and offer some alumni an opportunity to mix it up with other Wildcat faithful--

Harry


-----Original Message-----
From: Jintsjason <jintsjason@me.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:00 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets


Great post. Just so you know, there is a button just for donating. used if this morning. Safe travels, Jim. 
 
Jason Singer 
jason@jasonsinger.com 
 
On Dec 22, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote: 
 
> Fellow Wildcat Faithful, 
> 
> I am waiting on my first paycheck in Korea, but I plan to donate two > bowl tickets. 
> 
> With respect to not selling the 11,000 allotment, I am disappointed > that NU isn't more creative. I don't think they do much to educate > season ticket holders on the importance of buying through NU. But > beyond that, there are two things I can think of to make NU's goal > easier. 
> 
> 1) Improve the donating process. I donated 4 Alamo Bowl tickets last > year to Big Brothers/Big Sisters of San Antonio, but I had to do the > legwork myself. I received the tickets in Nashville, then mailed > them overnight to San Antonio and received a tax deduction letter > from BBBS. 
> 
> NU should step in and make this easier.On the NU bowl ticket website > there should be a button that says 'Click here to Donate' and then > 4-5 tax deductible options. Perhaps, BBBS, USO, Red Cross (I really > don't care which groups). Then when you purchase the tickets, NU > sends them directly to the organization and the organization gets > your information so that they can send you the tax deduction letter. 
> 
> I emailed NU Athletics about this last year and never heard back. 
> 
> 2) Waive the $8 per ticket fee on donated tickets. If NU is > ultimimately going to have to buy 4,000+ tickets then this is a > small sacrifice to generate more sales. 
> 
> Merry Christmas to you all. 
> 
> Victory & Honor, 
> Jim 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ 
> nwu-sports site list 
> nwu-sports@tssi.com 
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports 
 
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 22 22:16:15 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Dec 22 22:16:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets
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That's a great idea, Harry. The Chicago-area donors that can't attend the bowl in person could be invited to Welsh-Ryan to watch the game on a big screen in sort of a 'satellite bowl' venue. 

Go Cats!
Jim




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From: "hakirsch@aol.com" <hakirsch@aol.com>
To: jintsjason@me.com; jleonard518@yahoo.com
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 12:12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets


NU could also consider hosting a function in Chicago for those that donated tickets as well-One thought would be to have a private party to watch the game somewhere (If a lot of the donors are also going to the game, then perhaps a private party in January somewhere in the area would make sense)-I realize a lot of us ,myself included, dont live nearby,but it might ?encourage? local alums to donate --This would help sell tickets, help a good cause, and offer some alumni an opportunity to mix it up with other Wildcat faithful--

Harry


-----Original Message-----
From: Jintsjason <jintsjason@me.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:00 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets


Great post. Just so you know, there is a button just for donating. used if this morning. Safe travels, Jim.?
?
Jason Singer?
jason@jasonsinger.com?
?
On Dec 22, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:?
?
> Fellow Wildcat Faithful,?
>?
> I am waiting on my first paycheck in Korea, but I plan to donate two > bowl tickets.?
>?
> With respect to not selling the 11,000 allotment, I am disappointed > that NU isn't more creative. I don't think they do much to educate > season ticket holders on the importance of buying through NU. But > beyond that, there are two things I can think of to make NU's goal > easier.?
>?
> 1) Improve the donating process. I donated 4 Alamo Bowl tickets last > year to Big Brothers/Big Sisters of San Antonio, but I had to do the > legwork myself. I received the tickets in Nashville, then mailed > them overnight to San Antonio and received a tax deduction letter > from BBBS.?
>?
> NU should step in and make this easier.On the NU bowl ticket website > there should be a button that says 'Click here to Donate' and then > 4-5 tax deductible options. Perhaps, BBBS, USO, Red Cross (I really > don't care which groups). Then when you purchase the tickets, NU > sends them directly to the organization and the organization gets > your information so that they can send you the tax deduction letter.?
>?
> I emailed NU Athletics about this last year and never heard back.?
>?
> 2) Waive the $8 per ticket fee on donated tickets. If NU is > ultimimately going to have to buy 4,000+ tickets then this is a > small sacrifice to generate more sales.?
>?
> Merry Christmas to you all.?
>?
> Victory & Honor,?
> Jim?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> _______________________________________________?
> nwu-sports site list?
> nwu-sports@tssi.com?
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports?
?
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From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Wed Dec 23 06:49:11 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Wed Dec 23 06:51:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets
Message-ID: <20091223.064911.4095.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

1) We just paid.  The tickets make there way to the appropriate people via NU.

2) There is no fee for donated tickets.  We just bought an additional 4 for donation and it was straight ticket cost.

"A summary of your order follows:
 

Outback Bowl
JAN 01 2010 at 10:00am
Raymond James Stadium

Price Type                Price Level Qty    Price       Fee       Cost
------------------------- ----------- --- -------- --------- ----------
Ticket Donation (Tickets  PL 1          4    70.00      0.00     280.00
will given away)                                                       

Delivery Method: Will Call
You must present your picture ID at Will Call to pick up your tickets! 
Any change in the name of the person picking up tickets must be made IN
WRITING from the ticket holder of record during normal business hours  
at the ticket office. Name changes will not be accepted verbally, or at
the Will Call window at any of our venues.                             

                                                             ==========
                                                   Item Cost     280.00
                                                  Total Cost     280.00"


Overall it was as easy as it could possibly be.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:42:12 -0800 (PST)

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I am waiting on my first paycheck in Korea, but I plan to donate two bowl tickets. 

With respect to not selling the 11,000 allotment, I am disappointed that NU isn't more creative. I don't think they do much to educate season ticket holders on the importance of buying through NU. But beyond that, there are two things I can think of to make NU's goal easier.

1) Improve the donating process. I donated 4 Alamo Bowl tickets last year to Big Brothers/Big Sisters of San Antonio, but I had to do the legwork myself. I received the tickets in Nashville, then mailed them overnight to San Antonio and received a tax deduction letter from BBBS. 

NU should step in and make this easier.On the NU bowl ticket website there should be a button that says 'Click here to Donate' and then 4-5 tax deductible options. Perhaps, BBBS, USO, Red Cross (I really don't care which groups). Then when you purchase the tickets, NU sends them directly to the organization and the organization gets your information so that they can send you the tax deduction letter. 

I emailed NU Athletics about this last year and never heard back. 

2) Waive the $8 per ticket fee on donated tickets. If NU is ultimimately going to have to buy 4,000+ tickets then this is a small sacrifice to generate more sales. 

Merry Christmas to you all.

Victory & Honor,
Jim


      

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Dec 23 07:33:33 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed Dec 23 07:33:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets
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The solution is - 

Each NU club finds a sports bar, or suitable watering hole where they can
watch the bowl game. Admission is one (or more) ticket donations.

I'm sure the DC, NY, LA and Chicago clubs could raise quite a crowd - and
those who want to watch the game with friends could do so AND contribute to
the bowl ticket sales.

I'm sure any sports bar would be happy to "host" such an event for the
expected bar tab alone.

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2009 11:16 PM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets

That's a great idea, Harry. The Chicago-area donors that can't attend the
bowl in person could be invited to Welsh-Ryan to watch the game on a big
screen in sort of a 'satellite bowl' venue. 

Go Cats!
Jim




________________________________
From: "hakirsch@aol.com" <hakirsch@aol.com>
To: jintsjason@me.com; jleonard518@yahoo.com
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 12:12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets


NU could also consider hosting a function in Chicago for those that donated
tickets as well-One thought would be to have a private party to watch the
game somewhere (If a lot of the donors are also going to the game, then
perhaps a private party in January somewhere in the area would make sense)-I
realize a lot of us ,myself included, dont live nearby,but it might
?encourage? local alums to donate --This would help sell tickets, help a
good cause, and offer some alumni an opportunity to mix it up with other
Wildcat faithful--

Harry


-----Original Message-----
From: Jintsjason <jintsjason@me.com>
To: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
Cc: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:00 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets


Great post. Just so you know, there is a button just for donating. used if
this morning. Safe travels, Jim.?
?
Jason Singer?
jason@jasonsinger.com?
?
On Dec 22, 2009, at 6:42 PM, Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:?
?
> Fellow Wildcat Faithful,?
>?
> I am waiting on my first paycheck in Korea, but I plan to donate two >
bowl tickets.?
>?
> With respect to not selling the 11,000 allotment, I am disappointed > that
NU isn't more creative. I don't think they do much to educate > season
ticket holders on the importance of buying through NU. But > beyond that,
there are two things I can think of to make NU's goal > easier.?
>?
> 1) Improve the donating process. I donated 4 Alamo Bowl tickets last >
year to Big Brothers/Big Sisters of San Antonio, but I had to do the >
legwork myself. I received the tickets in Nashville, then mailed > them
overnight to San Antonio and received a tax deduction letter > from BBBS.?
>?
> NU should step in and make this easier.On the NU bowl ticket website >
there should be a button that says 'Click here to Donate' and then > 4-5 tax
deductible options. Perhaps, BBBS, USO, Red Cross (I really > don't care
which groups). Then when you purchase the tickets, NU > sends them directly
to the organization and the organization gets > your information so that
they can send you the tax deduction letter.?
>?
> I emailed NU Athletics about this last year and never heard back.?
>?
> 2) Waive the $8 per ticket fee on donated tickets. If NU is > ultimimately
going to have to buy 4,000+ tickets then this is a > small sacrifice to
generate more sales.?
>?
> Merry Christmas to you all.?
>?
> Victory & Honor,?
> Jim?
>?
>?
>?
>?
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Dec 23 07:44:23 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Wed Dec 23 07:42:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets
Message-ID: <d34.61970290.386378b7@aol.com>

The problem with the NU allotment not selling is a combination of lousy  
seats and a collapse of the scalper market for the outback bowl, as somebody 
who  sells a lot of NFL tickets every year I watch the prices for games, and 
if there  is not enough demand, prices can plummet.  Great seats for the 
outback bowl  went from $200 each on 12-6 to $24 each on 12-9, and the tailgate 
tickets went  for less than face also. No wonder NU could not sell their 
overpriced "packages"  to the NU alumni, we did not go to college for  nothing.
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 10:06:56 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Dec 23 10:07:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU & Bowl Tickets
In-Reply-To: <d34.61970290.386378b7@aol.com>
References: <d34.61970290.386378b7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270912230806u66115b5dm586dff667123b9cd@mail.gmail.com>

> No wonder NU could not sell their
> overpriced "packages"  to the NU alumni, we did not go to college for
>  nothing.
>

The NU Alumni tour (i.e. "overpriced package") DID sell out already.  Not
sure how many places are available for that, but it's something.

Jonathan
From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Dec 23 18:27:04 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Dec 23 19:23:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
Message-ID: <DEB27910A7D740209435367DEC31B1E0@DennisMachine>

The Cats go 9 - 1 with a win over Central Connecticut last night.  How come when Purdue et al play the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople type teams the Big Ten Network televises it but not when we do?
From jintsjason at me.com  Wed Dec 23 19:33:57 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Wed Dec 23 19:34:19 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
In-Reply-To: <DEB27910A7D740209435367DEC31B1E0@DennisMachine>
References: <DEB27910A7D740209435367DEC31B1E0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <E8CDB8E5-4974-4189-A162-5E793C3B642B@me.com>

My mom got her Masters at Central Connecticut.  As a result I was torn in my allegiances last night.

Not.

Go 'Cats!!!

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Dennis W. Brandt wrote:

> The Cats go 9 - 1 with a win over Central Connecticut last night.  How come when Purdue et al play the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople type teams the Big Ten Network televises it but not when we do?
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 20:05:18 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Wed Dec 23 20:05:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
In-Reply-To: <DEB27910A7D740209435367DEC31B1E0@DennisMachine>
References: <DEB27910A7D740209435367DEC31B1E0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <9a9d92d30912231805p5b3e012aw2abceaefe3eea786@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, the Cats are now 10-1. The game was televised on a tape delay on
the BigTen Network this morning.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:

> The Cats go 9 - 1 with a win over Central Connecticut last night.  How come
> when Purdue et al play the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople
> type teams the Big Ten Network televises it but not when we do?
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Dec 23 22:37:55 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed Dec 23 22:37:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 'noise goes down to Mizoo
Message-ID: <000001ca8452$dcfdb680$96f92380$@com>

One more vote not to put Missouri in the Big 10

 

rsl

 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 23 22:39:44 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Dec 23 22:39:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcat basketball ... times two!
Message-ID: <776383.45503.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Most of us have been talking about the 10-1 start for Coach Carmody's Cats on the men's hardwood, but I was browsing through the Big Ten Network podcasts the other day and was happy to see our women's team is also off to a hot start -- 10-2 with a win over (then) top 20 DePaul, 59-55.

They had a nice little interview with Coach McKeown, who seems like a pretty good hire with this turnaround in his second season - NU ended a looooong losing streak vs. Purdue, lost a heartbreaker by one to Clemson in the ACC/Big Ten challenge, beat decent teams from the Big XII and SEC and already has topped last year's win total. They host top 10 Ohio State on New Year's Eve.

As mentioned earlier on the list, it's been a pretty good year for the purple -- let's hope it keeps going in 2010 and starts off with a bang in Tampa!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Dec 23 23:22:30 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Dec 23 23:22:53 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcat basketball ... times two!
Message-ID: <1218627359-1261632152-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-260665486-@bda198.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

There is a trophy for most collegiate championships women included. Can't recall the name but stanford seems to have won it several times. Perhaps with our programs hitting on all cylinders we could challenge as well

Harry
------Original Message------
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Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcat basketball ... times two!
Sent: Dec 23, 2009 8:39 PM

Most of us have been talking about the 10-1 start for Coach Carmody's Cats on the men's hardwood, but I was browsing through the Big Ten Network podcasts the other day and was happy to see our women's team is also off to a hot start -- 10-2 with a win over (then) top 20 DePaul, 59-55.

They had a nice little interview with Coach McKeown, who seems like a pretty good hire with this turnaround in his second season - NU ended a looooong losing streak vs. Purdue, lost a heartbreaker by one to Clemson in the ACC/Big Ten challenge, beat decent teams from the Big XII and SEC and already has topped last year's win total. They host top 10 Ohio State on New Year's Eve.

As mentioned earlier on the list, it's been a pretty good year for the purple -- let's hope it keeps going in 2010 and starts off with a bang in Tampa!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 23 23:48:04 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed Dec 23 23:48:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Long live Slingbox
Message-ID: <477947.73986.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I FINALLY got internet access in my apartment in Korea. I arrived on Nov. 30th so it's basically taken a month. 

Now I have high speed access and I just fired up my Slingbox device. I clicked over to the Big Ten Network and I'm watching the Wildcats dominate Central Connecticut. I can't recommend this device enough if you ever live abroad. 

It's 2:47 PM on Christmas Eve (I'm 15 hours ahead of Wildcat time).

A Merry Christmas to all!

Victory & Honor,
Jim


      

From eschoeman at sbcglobal.net  Thu Dec 24 00:11:45 2009
From: eschoeman at sbcglobal.net (Evans Schoeman)
Date: Thu Dec 24 00:12:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcat basketball ... times two!
In-Reply-To: <1218627359-1261632152-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-260665486-@bda198.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1218627359-1261632152-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-260665486-@bda198.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <962144.39347.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

I believe what you're referring to is the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics (NACDA) Directors Cup.? It used to be sponsored by Sears, but I think that Learfield has it now.

To say that Stanford has won it several times is an understatement.? They have truly dominated this all-sports competiton, winning it the past 15 years in a row.

Some?examples of their dominance and NU points to consider:

-? this year's Stanford fall sports teams had six Top 20 finishes, even thought they didn't win any national championships

-? the Cats are tied for 67th after the fall, having gotten all of our points from men's soccer (you have to qualify for the NCAA tournament for the sport to get any points, except for football, which is based on the final USA Today poll.? Unranked bowl winners and losers also get some points.? In recent years, spring has been?our strongest season, with lax, softball, tennis, and golf all doing very well.? This has enabled us to?move up to?the?30s or 40s?each year

-? the Cats field teams in fewer sports than most Div I schools, and that puts us at a built-in disadvantage, since we have fewer opportunities to collect points.

- last year, Stanford finished with 1455 points, and N. Carolina had 1184 for 2nd.? The Cats had 483 points, good for 44th place.? The point margin between 1st and 2nd places was huge.

-? the same teams seem to finish in the Top 5 each year:? Michigan, UCLA, USC.? No surprise there.

Considering the above, a Top 20 finish would be an outstanding achievement for our teams.? I believe that our best to-date is about 27th.? We're likely to win a football or basketball national championship before we ever seriously "challenge" for this award...but I would sure love to eat my words.



________________________________
From: "hakirsch@aol.com" <hakirsch@aol.com>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 11:22:30 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Wildcat basketball ... times two!

There is a trophy for most collegiate championships women included. Can't recall the name but stanford seems to have won it several times. Perhaps with our programs hitting on all cylinders we could challenge as well

Harry
------Original Message------
From: SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Wildcat basketball ... times two!
Sent: Dec 23, 2009 8:39 PM

Most of us have been talking about the 10-1 start for Coach Carmody's Cats on the men's hardwood, but I was browsing through the Big Ten Network podcasts the other day and was happy to see our women's team is also off to a hot start -- 10-2 with a win over (then) top 20 DePaul, 59-55.

They had a nice little interview with Coach McKeown, who seems like a pretty good hire with this turnaround in his second season - NU ended a looooong losing streak vs. Purdue, lost a heartbreaker by one to Clemson in the ACC/Big Ten challenge, beat decent teams from the Big XII and SEC and already has topped last year's win total. They host top 10 Ohio State on New Year's Eve.

As mentioned earlier on the list, it's been a pretty good year for the purple -- let's hope it keeps going in 2010 and starts off with a bang in Tampa!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Dec 24 16:08:29 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec 24 16:08:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Long live Slingbox
Message-ID: <cf9.6c5b2118.3865405d@aol.com>

Jim, glad you are settled into Korea, I think you broke my distance record  
of watching the CATS!!! as Seoul is farther from Evanston than Nepal, enjoy 
the  best barbeque in Asia and the best department store in the world, 
Lotte, and  cheer the CATS!!! to the first bowl victory in 60 years (also my 
age).
 
Happy holidays to all, see you in Tampa.
From ivars at radioskonto.lv  Fri Dec 25 10:00:45 2009
From: ivars at radioskonto.lv (Ivars Embrekts)
Date: Fri Dec 25 10:00:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
In-Reply-To: <DEB27910A7D740209435367DEC31B1E0@DennisMachine>
References: <DEB27910A7D740209435367DEC31B1E0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <4B34E1AD.4030507@radioskonto.lv>

Because maestro John Smith isn't directing a PDQ Bach symphony at halftime.

:-)

Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
> The Cats go 9 - 1 with a win over Central Connecticut last night.  How come when Purdue et al play the University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople type teams the Big Ten Network televises it but not when we do?
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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Dec 25 10:19:19 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Dec 25 10:19:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
References: <DEB27910A7D740209435367DEC31B1E0@DennisMachine>
	<4B34E1AD.4030507@radioskonto.lv>
Message-ID: <520C5B8ADB9D46A98924AA704A928EB4@DennisMachine>

> Because maestro John Smith isn't directing a PDQ Bach symphony at halftime.

John Smith?  C'mon!  What's his real name?  Happy Iphegenia in Brooklyn to you all!
From shawn.folkes at comcast.net  Fri Dec 25 20:04:57 2009
From: shawn.folkes at comcast.net (shawn.folkes@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Dec 25 20:05:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
In-Reply-To: <520C5B8ADB9D46A98924AA704A928EB4@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <1836197154.3699671261793097938.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>

Professor Peter Schikele(sp?), correct? 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> 
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com 
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 11:19:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Basketball 

> Because maestro John Smith isn't directing a PDQ Bach symphony at halftime. 

John Smith? C'mon! What's his real name? Happy Iphegenia in Brooklyn to you all! 
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Dec 26 01:32:27 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (scottzel@gmail.com)
Date: Sat Dec 26 01:32:37 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
In-Reply-To: <1836197154.3699671261793097938.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00504502d8ed93231c047b9cacd4@google.com>

Your spelling of PDQ Bach's real name is as close as I might fathom, so we  
will go with it. I have fond memories of struggling thru several PDQ Bach  
works with my high school choir, the most memorable being a parody of  
Vivaldi's "Four Seasons" called "The Seasonings," featuring such movements  
as "To curry favor, favor Curry," "Open Sesame seeds, and C what you C  
sharp," and "Tarragon of Virtue is Full."

On Dec 25, 2009 6:04pm, shawn.folkes@comcast.net wrote:
> Professor Peter Schikele(sp?), correct?











> ----- Original Message -----


> From: "Dennis W. Brandt" tbng@comcast.net>


> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com


> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 11:19:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern


> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Basketball





> > Because maestro John Smith isn't directing a PDQ Bach symphony at  
> halftime.





> John Smith? C'mon! What's his real name? Happy Iphegenia in Brooklyn to  
> you all!


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From ivars at radioskonto.lv  Sat Dec 26 08:18:46 2009
From: ivars at radioskonto.lv (Ivars Embrekts)
Date: Sat Dec 26 08:19:00 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
In-Reply-To: <1836197154.3699671261793097938.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1836197154.3699671261793097938.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4B361B46.8040607@radioskonto.lv>

Actually the maestro's name really IS John Smith! In the recording I 
have he stumbles offstage just before the "great burlap curtain" arises.

shawn.folkes@comcast.net wrote:
> Professor Peter Schikele(sp?), correct? 
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> 
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com 
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 11:19:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Basketball 
>
>   
>> Because maestro John Smith isn't directing a PDQ Bach symphony at halftime. 
>>     
>
> John Smith? C'mon! What's his real name? Happy Iphegenia in Brooklyn to you all! 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Dec 26 09:33:06 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Sat Dec 26 09:33:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
In-Reply-To: <4B361B46.8040607@radioskonto.lv>
References: <1836197154.3699671261793097938.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<4B361B46.8040607@radioskonto.lv>
Message-ID: <000001ca8640$ba19ea90$2e4dbfb0$@com>

To be fair to all the musicians involved:

Jorge Mester and John Nelson are the "official" listed conductor of the Orchestra and Chorus on the Carnegie Hall concert.

The Stoned Guest was conducted by John Nelson (assisted by Will Jordan and Bill Macy). He was leading the Hoople Heavy Opera Company.

The composer of record was P.D.Q. Bach - the real composer is thankfully lost to the music world.

The Carnegie Hall concert recording features a piece by Professor P. Schickele, "The Unbegun Symphony" a work in 2 movements III - Minuet and IV - Andante-Allegro. When you listen to it, you are always reminded of other great works in history, and as the Professor says, "Audiences go out whistling the tunes."

Having grown up in New York, close to where Ivars did, I always tried to get in for the annual Farewell Concert, usually held about now - between Christmas and New Years. The best opening still is when the Gorilla chases the Professor down the main aisle at Avery Fisher hall, only to be "shot" by the stage manager so the show can go on.

Some of Schickele's instrumentation may have influenced the Blue Man Group's use of plastic pipe altho he is not credited with the extension of some of the professor's instrumentation. 

He is quite a character.

rsl

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Ivars Embrekts
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:19 AM
To: shawn.folkes@comcast.net
Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Basketball

Actually the maestro's name really IS John Smith! In the recording I 
have he stumbles offstage just before the "great burlap curtain" arises.

shawn.folkes@comcast.net wrote:
> Professor Peter Schikele(sp?), correct? 
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> 
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com 
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 11:19:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Basketball 
>
>   
>> Because maestro John Smith isn't directing a PDQ Bach symphony at halftime. 
>>     
>
> John Smith? C'mon! What's his real name? Happy Iphegenia in Brooklyn to you all! 
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From ivars at radioskonto.lv  Sat Dec 26 10:17:50 2009
From: ivars at radioskonto.lv (Ivars Embrekts)
Date: Sat Dec 26 10:18:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PDQ
In-Reply-To: <000001ca8640$ba19ea90$2e4dbfb0$@com>
References: <1836197154.3699671261793097938.JavaMail.root@sz0137a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
	<4B361B46.8040607@radioskonto.lv>
	<000001ca8640$ba19ea90$2e4dbfb0$@com>
Message-ID: <4B36372E.5050004@radioskonto.lv>

My mistake, I could have sworn it was "Smith" but it was "Nelson"\

The trasnscript explains it all.

http://puzzlet.springnote.com/pages/348731




From ivars at radioskonto.lv  Sat Dec 26 10:24:04 2009
From: ivars at radioskonto.lv (Ivars Embrekts)
Date: Sat Dec 26 10:24:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
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/Having grown up in New York, close to where Ivars did, I always tried to get in for the annual Farewell Concert, usually held about now - between Christmas and New Years. The best opening still is when the Gorilla chases the Professor down the main aisle at Avery Fisher hall, only to be "shot" by the stage manager so the show can go on./

I have been to many of these "concerts", the best being Schickele rappelling down from the third deck onto the stage!




From shawn.folkes at comcast.net  Sat Dec 26 11:45:16 2009
From: shawn.folkes at comcast.net (shawn.folkes@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Dec 26 11:45:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PDQ - some more
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This brings back great memories for me too. One of my favorite PDQ recordings when i was a kid (I wish I could remember the name of the "piece" - maybe one of you folks can remember) pits the Orchestra against the conductor, complete with a radio "sportscaster" calling the action. My parents still have the record somewhere. And I, too, remember "My Bonnie Lass She Smelleth." 


I never knew Professor Schickele's real name, but he always "unearthed" new works every year. 


Fun stuff! 


Shawn Folkes 







----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> 
To: "Ivars Embrekts" <ivars@radioskonto.lv>, "shawn folkes" <shawn.folkes@comcast.net> 
Cc: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>, nwu-sports@tssi.com 
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:33:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU Basketball 

To be fair to all the musicians involved: 

Jorge Mester and John Nelson are the "official" listed conductor of the Orchestra and Chorus on the Carnegie Hall concert. 

The Stoned Guest was conducted by John Nelson (assisted by Will Jordan and Bill Macy). He was leading the Hoople Heavy Opera Company. 

The composer of record was P.D.Q. Bach - the real composer is thankfully lost to the music world. 

The Carnegie Hall concert recording features a piece by Professor P. Schickele, "The Unbegun Symphony" a work in 2 movements III - Minuet and IV - Andante-Allegro. When you listen to it, you are always reminded of other great works in history, and as the Professor says, "Audiences go out whistling the tunes." 

Having grown up in New York, close to where Ivars did, I always tried to get in for the annual Farewell Concert, usually held about now - between Christmas and New Years. The best opening still is when the Gorilla chases the Professor down the main aisle at Avery Fisher hall, only to be "shot" by the stage manager so the show can go on. 

Some of Schickele's instrumentation may have influenced the Blue Man Group's use of plastic pipe altho he is not credited with the extension of some of the professor's instrumentation. 

He is quite a character. 

rsl 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 
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Computer Applications & Support Associates 
-------------------- Also ---------------------- 
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Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R] 
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-----Original Message----- 
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Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:19 AM 
To: shawn.folkes@comcast.net 
Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@tssi.com 
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Basketball 

Actually the maestro's name really IS John Smith! In the recording I 
have he stumbles offstage just before the "great burlap curtain" arises. 

shawn.folkes@comcast.net wrote: 
> Professor Peter Schikele(sp?), correct? 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> 
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com 
> Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 11:19:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Basketball 
> 
> 
>> Because maestro John Smith isn't directing a PDQ Bach symphony at halftime. 
>> 
> 
> John Smith? C'mon! What's his real name? Happy Iphegenia in Brooklyn to you all! 
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From scottzel at gmail.com  Sat Dec 26 12:29:15 2009
From: scottzel at gmail.com (Scott Zeller)
Date: Sat Dec 26 12:29:26 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PDQ - some more
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My bonnie lass she smelleth, making the flowers jelleth

My bonnie lass she walketh like a doe, and talketh like a crow

My bonnie lass she looketh like a jewel, and soundeth like a mule

all done in Madrigal format!!

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:45 AM, <shawn.folkes@comcast.net> wrote:

> This brings back great memories for me too. One of my favorite PDQ
> recordings when i was a kid (I wish I could remember the name of the "piece"
> - maybe one of you folks can remember) pits the Orchestra against the
> conductor, complete with a radio "sportscaster" calling the action. My
> parents still have the record somewhere. And I, too, remember "My Bonnie
> Lass She Smelleth."
>
>
> I never knew Professor Schickele's real name, but he always "unearthed" new
> works every year.
>
>
> Fun stuff!
>
>
> Shawn Folkes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> To: "Ivars Embrekts" <ivars@radioskonto.lv>, "shawn folkes" <
> shawn.folkes@comcast.net>
> Cc: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>, nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:33:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
>
> To be fair to all the musicians involved:
>
> Jorge Mester and John Nelson are the "official" listed conductor of the
> Orchestra and Chorus on the Carnegie Hall concert.
>
> The Stoned Guest was conducted by John Nelson (assisted by Will Jordan and
> Bill Macy). He was leading the Hoople Heavy Opera Company.
>
> The composer of record was P.D.Q. Bach - the real composer is thankfully
> lost to the music world.
>
> The Carnegie Hall concert recording features a piece by Professor P.
> Schickele, "The Unbegun Symphony" a work in 2 movements III - Minuet and IV
> - Andante-Allegro. When you listen to it, you are always reminded of other
> great works in history, and as the Professor says, "Audiences go out
> whistling the tunes."
>
> Having grown up in New York, close to where Ivars did, I always tried to
> get in for the annual Farewell Concert, usually held about now - between
> Christmas and New Years. The best opening still is when the Gorilla chases
> the Professor down the main aisle at Avery Fisher hall, only to be "shot" by
> the stage manager so the show can go on.
>
> Some of Schickele's instrumentation may have influenced the Blue Man
> Group's use of plastic pipe altho he is not credited with the extension of
> some of the professor's instrumentation.
>
> He is quite a character.
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> ========== Go Cats - Beat 'em All ===========
> Congress '06
> Obama '08
> Depression '10????
>
> Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
> ================================================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Ivars Embrekts
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:19 AM
> To: shawn.folkes@comcast.net
> Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
>
> Actually the maestro's name really IS John Smith! In the recording I
> have he stumbles offstage just before the "great burlap curtain" arises.
>
> shawn.folkes@comcast.net wrote:
> > Professor Peter Schikele(sp?), correct?
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> > To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 11:19:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
> >
> >
> >> Because maestro John Smith isn't directing a PDQ Bach symphony at
> halftime.
> >>
> >
> > John Smith? C'mon! What's his real name? Happy Iphegenia in Brooklyn to
> you all!
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> >
> >
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Dec 26 13:17:08 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Dec 26 13:17:23 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] PDQ - some more
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My boone lass would be nice.  Yea even at twice the price.

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To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] PDQ - some more


> My bonnie lass she smelleth, making the flowers jelleth
>
> My bonnie lass she walketh like a doe, and talketh like a crow
>
> My bonnie lass she looketh like a jewel, and soundeth like a mule
>
> all done in Madrigal format!!
>
> On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 9:45 AM, <shawn.folkes@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> This brings back great memories for me too. One of my favorite PDQ
>> recordings when i was a kid (I wish I could remember the name of the 
>> "piece"
>> - maybe one of you folks can remember) pits the Orchestra against the
>> conductor, complete with a radio "sportscaster" calling the action. My
>> parents still have the record somewhere. And I, too, remember "My Bonnie
>> Lass She Smelleth."
>>
>>
>> I never knew Professor Schickele's real name, but he always "unearthed" 
>> new
>> works every year.
>>
>>
>> Fun stuff!
>>
>>
>> Shawn Folkes
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roy S. Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
>> To: "Ivars Embrekts" <ivars@radioskonto.lv>, "shawn folkes" <
>> shawn.folkes@comcast.net>
>> Cc: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>, nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 10:33:06 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
>> Eastern
>> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
>>
>> To be fair to all the musicians involved:
>>
>> Jorge Mester and John Nelson are the "official" listed conductor of the
>> Orchestra and Chorus on the Carnegie Hall concert.
>>
>> The Stoned Guest was conducted by John Nelson (assisted by Will Jordan 
>> and
>> Bill Macy). He was leading the Hoople Heavy Opera Company.
>>
>> The composer of record was P.D.Q. Bach - the real composer is thankfully
>> lost to the music world.
>>
>> The Carnegie Hall concert recording features a piece by Professor P.
>> Schickele, "The Unbegun Symphony" a work in 2 movements III - Minuet and 
>> IV
>> - Andante-Allegro. When you listen to it, you are always reminded of 
>> other
>> great works in history, and as the Professor says, "Audiences go out
>> whistling the tunes."
>>
>> Having grown up in New York, close to where Ivars did, I always tried to
>> get in for the annual Farewell Concert, usually held about now - between
>> Christmas and New Years. The best opening still is when the Gorilla 
>> chases
>> the Professor down the main aisle at Avery Fisher hall, only to be "shot" 
>> by
>> the stage manager so the show can go on.
>>
>> Some of Schickele's instrumentation may have influenced the Blue Man
>> Group's use of plastic pipe altho he is not credited with the extension 
>> of
>> some of the professor's instrumentation.
>>
>> He is quite a character.
>>
>> rsl
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
>> Computer Applications & Support Associates
>> -------------------- Also ----------------------
>> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
>> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
>> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 -
>> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
>> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
>> ========== Go Cats - Beat 'em All ===========
>> Congress '06
>> Obama '08
>> Depression '10????
>>
>> Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
>> ================================================
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
>> Behalf Of Ivars Embrekts
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 9:19 AM
>> To: shawn.folkes@comcast.net
>> Cc: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
>>
>> Actually the maestro's name really IS John Smith! In the recording I
>> have he stumbles offstage just before the "great burlap curtain" arises.
>>
>> shawn.folkes@comcast.net wrote:
>> > Professor Peter Schikele(sp?), correct?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
>> > To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> > Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 11:19:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
>> > Eastern
>> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Basketball
>> >
>> >
>> >> Because maestro John Smith isn't directing a PDQ Bach symphony at
>> halftime.
>> >>
>> >
>> > John Smith? C'mon! What's his real name? Happy Iphegenia in Brooklyn to
>> you all!
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nwu-sports site list
>> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nwu-sports site list
>> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Dec 26 15:12:31 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat Dec 26 15:13:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tyrell Sutton
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC30135805B@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Calf injury expected to keep him out of Panthers' game vs Giants tomorrow.

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

From advanced1k at me.com  Tue Dec 22 01:04:20 2009
From: advanced1k at me.com (James Tai)
Date: Sat Dec 26 18:58:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
Message-ID: <134547457600785593832010086764065328806-Webmail@me.com>

Tent #24!  Received my VIP Brunch tickets today.  In case anyone is wondering, I purchased the $14 ones (looks like it's gone up to $19 now with 7 tickets left).  See you all there!

Jimmy


On Saturday, December 12, 2009, at 01:14PM, "Scott Zeller" <scottzel@gmail.com> wrote:
>The morning of the game, from 8:15 to 10:15, there is a VIP brunch
>tailgate in a tent next to the stadium. I believe it was initially
>invitation only, for local swells and sponsors. Perhaps some sponsor
>got too many tickets, because tickets to the event are now selling for
>$14 apiece on this website. Per report, event will have NUMB, Willie,
>NU cheerleaders (and all the Auburn equivalents); a full brunch, and
>alcohol -- all you can eat or drink -- for about the price of a beer
>and a hot dog inside the stadium.
>
>Several of us already have tickets for this bargain -- if some other
>folks on the list come as well, perhaps we can stake out a corner of
>the tent just for us. Probably better than trying to meet up under a
>flagpole with a sub sandwich and a roadie!
>
>Perhaps it will not be great, but I'm willing to bet $14, especially
>with the NU alumni event at $65.
>
>Link to the site is just below. Either respond by the list or you can
>email me directly if you plan on going.
>
>Scott Zeller MD
>Med '86
>
>Section: TAILGATE Row: VIP
>PRIVATE FULLY CATERED PRIVATE PREGAME TENT - ALL YOU CAN EAT AND DRINK
>- PREMIUM HOT/COLD FOOD/ALCHOL/DESERTS INCLUDED - TEAM
>BANDS/CHEERLEADERS/MASCOTS ON .E - NOT A GAME TIX OR PARKING PASS
>
>Link: http://quicktixx.com/ResultsTicket.aspx?evtid=1049428
>
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Dec 26 19:06:40 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec 26 19:07:14 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
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should be fun, reading the Auburn blogs I found an NU blog I had never  
read, pretty good analysis of the matchup
 
_http://www.sippinonpurple.com/_ (http://www.sippinonpurple.com/) 
From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Dec 26 19:38:07 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec 26 19:38:08 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
Message-ID: <1532681399-1261877880-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-676878818-@bda198.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Wow. Urban Meyer stepping down after Sugar Bowl for health reasons.  Hearing this on the 6th anniversary of his then biggest win.  

Harry
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should be fun, reading the Auburn blogs I found an NU blog I had never  
read, pretty good analysis of the matchup
 
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec 26 19:44:00 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec 26 19:44:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
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After getting over the initial shock ans seeing it was cardio-related, I tbougbt poignantly of Coach Walker


I am down in Longboat Key.  Friday may be wet according to long-range forecast on local TV. Won't be real hot. Good change from Citrus. Weather vs. Tennessee in '97.
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Wow. Urban Meyer stepping down after Sugar Bowl for health reasons.  Hearing this on the 6th anniversary of his then biggest win.  

Harry
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Sent: Dec 26, 2009 5:06 PM

should be fun, reading the Auburn blogs I found an NU blog I had never  
read, pretty good analysis of the matchup
 
_http://www.sippinonpurple.com/_ (http://www.sippinonpurple.com/) 
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Dec 26 20:44:03 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec 26 20:44:30 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
Message-ID: <d5e.63372d06.386823f3@aol.com>

Yeah I did too, it is a high stress job, but it seems he has a family  
history. Funny I just watched "the wrestler" with Mickey Rourke again last  
night, when a job defines you "it's what I do" sometimes you lose perspective.  
When it is all said and done you have nothing to lose but your body.
 
I tbougbt poignantly of Coach Walker


From hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Dec 26 20:48:25 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec 26 20:48:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
Message-ID: <956975892-1261882097-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1512704384-@bda198.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

So the guessing game begins on meyer's replacement
Well before I do that let's recognize him   for turning around 2 programs , having 2 national titles and now having the sense to focus on his health
Now does anyone think spurrier could make a comeback ?
Harry------Original Message------From: neonrye@aol.comSender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: HarryTo: MHRJGScott@aol.comTo: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: advanced1k@me.comTo: nwu-sports@tssi.comReplyTo: neonrye@aol.comSubject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup ideaSent: Dec 26, 2009 5:44 PM
After getting over the initial shock ans seeing it was cardio-related, I tbougbt poignantly of Coach Walker

I am down in Longboat Key.  Friday may be wet according to long-range forecast on local TV. Won't be real hot. Good change from Citrus. Weather vs. Tennessee in '97.------Original Message------From: Hakirsch@aol.comSender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: MHRJGScott@aol.comTo: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: advanced1k@me.comTo: nwu-sports@tssi.comReplyTo: Hakirsch@aol.comSubject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup ideaSent: Dec 26, 2009 8:38 PM
Wow. Urban Meyer stepping down after Sugar Bowl for health reasons.  Hearing this on the 6th anniversary of his then biggest win.  
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Dec 26 20:50:22 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Dec 26 20:50:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
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Nah.  They will go younger.------Original Message------From: Hakirsch@aol.comSender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: Gwia6: neonrye@aol.comTo: MHRJGScott@aol.comTo: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: advanced1k@me.comTo: nwu-sports@tssi.comReplyTo: Hakirsch@aol.comSubject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup ideaSent: Dec 26, 2009 9:48 PM
So the guessing game begins on meyer's replacementWell before I do that let's recognize him   for turning around 2 programs , having 2 national titles and now having the sense to focus on his healthNow does anyone think spurrier could make a comeback ?Harry------Original Message------From: neonrye@aol.comSender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: HarryTo: MHRJGScott@aol.comTo: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: advanced1k@me.comTo: nwu-sports@tssi.comReplyTo: neonrye@aol.comSubject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup ideaSent: Dec 26, 2009 5:44 PMAfter getting over the initial shock ans seeing it was cardio-related, I tbougbt poignantly of Coach Walker
I am down in Longboat Key.  Friday may be wet according to long-range forecast on local TV. Won't be real hot. Good change from Citrus. Weather vs. Tennessee in '97.------Original Message------From: Hakirsch@aol.comSender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: MHRJGScott@aol.comTo: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: advanced1k@me.comTo: nwu-sports@tssi.comReplyTo: Hakirsch@aol.comSubject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup ideaSent: Dec 26, 2009 8:38 PMWow. Urban Meyer stepping down after Sugar Bowl for health reasons.  Hearing this on the 6th anniversary of his then biggest win.  Harry------Original Message------From: MHRJGScott@aol.comSender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo: advanced1k@me.comTo: nwu-sports@tssi.comSubject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup ideaSent: Dec 26, 2009 5:06 PMshould be fun, reading the Auburn blogs I found an NU blog I had never  read, pretty good analysis of the matchup _http://www.sippinonpurple.com/_ (http://www.sippinonpurple.com/) _______________________________________________nwu-sports site listnwu-sports@tssi.comhttp://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
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From jintsjason at me.com  Sat Dec 26 20:58:51 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Sat Dec 26 20:58:58 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] WAY off topic, but...
Message-ID: <BF38B1DA-BB2C-4F9E-8922-D9F78CB3206D@me.com>

...so ignore if you'd like.

My fantasy Super Bowl is tomorrow and I really just cannot make up my mind about two things and thought some of you might either have some insight and/or enjoy the discussion.

Dilemma #1: QB. Do I go with Peyton (even though he may be pulled early) or Eli (even though he could be terrible at any time)?

Dilemna #2: RB. Need to pick 2 out of 3:
Ahmad Bradshaw
Quinton Ganther
Mike Bell

I'd have started Tyrell but he's out (See? I made it NU related).

All opinions welcome (including the "Why are you wasting this board time" variety) and PLEASE feel free to email me directly so the board doesn't have to be involved. Thanks!!



Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 27 02:09:45 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Dec 27 02:09:53 2009
Subject: Meyer resignation (was: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea)
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First off, I hope all is well with Coach Meyer. As some of you may have gotten from my game comments, I am not a fan, but as NU fans we certainly know how stressful this business can be on a coach and wish him health.

That said, some other initial thoughts (in the minds of others, as interpreted by me ... with some help from Jim Leonard on a few):

>From Coach Bowden: "Dag gummit, that son of a gun plum found a way to upstage my retirement day abd beat me again!"

>From Florida fans: "Can Tebow coach?"

>From Cincinnati fans: "Crap. It was bad enough with Tebow's last game, now Urban's too? Gulp."

>From SEC fans: "Whew."

>From Coach Petrino: "Hello? Re-Max?"

>From Lane Kiffin: "What can I tweet to look like a jerk and get into this story?"

>From Coach Kelly: "I shoulda waited to bolt a month longer!"

>From Coach Spurrier: "Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close-up."

>From Coach Stoops: "What does this 'non coaching role' mean exactly?"

>From Coach Saban: "I will say this one more time, I am NOT going to be coaching in Gainesville next year ... and DON'T MENTION THE WORDS NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP."

>From Coach Zook: "What was that Florida AD's text number again?"

>From Tiger Woods: "Thank goodness!"

OK - certainly a bit of big news there. Should be very interesting to see what happens now. Florida is certainly the top of the top in terms of jobs ... but I do wonder how involved Meyer's new "non coaching" role will be. If it's a Barry Alvarez-like "godfather" situation, would a big name like Stoops really want someone over their shoulder?

Florida was already going to be in a transition year next year with Tebow and friends heading off to the NFL ... we saw what happened to SC this year once they lost that aura of invincibility ... should be interesting.

As for the bowls so far ... ZZZZZ. Wake me up when the Big Ten plays.

GO CATS!!!
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> From: hakirsch@aol.com <hakirsch@aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
> To: neonrye@aol.com, "MHRJGScott@aol.com" <MHRJGScott@aol.com>, "nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com" <nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>, advanced1k@me.com, "nwu-sports@tssi.com" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 26, 2009, 7:48 PM
> So the guessing game begins on
> meyer's replacement
> Well before I do that let's recognize
> him???for turning around 2 programs , having
> 2 national titles and now having the sense to focus on his
> health
> Now does anyone think spurrier could make a comeback ?
> Harry------Original Message------From: neonrye@aol.comSender:
> nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo:
> HarryTo: MHRJGScott@aol.comTo:
> nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo:
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> nwu-sports@tssi.comReplyTo:
> neonrye@aol.comSubject:
> Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup ideaSent: Dec 26, 2009
> 5:44 PM
> After getting over the initial shock ans seeing it was
> cardio-related, I tbougbt poignantly of Coach Walker
> 
> I am down in Longboat Key.? Friday may be wet
> according to long-range forecast on local TV. Won't be real
> hot. Good change from Citrus. Weather vs. Tennessee in
> '97.------Original Message------From: Hakirsch@aol.comSender:
> nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo:
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> nwu-sports@tssi.comReplyTo:
> Hakirsch@aol.comSubject:
> Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup ideaSent: Dec 26, 2009
> 8:38 PM
> Wow. Urban Meyer stepping down after Sugar Bowl for health
> reasons.? Hearing this on the 6th anniversary of his
> then biggest win.? 
> Harry------Original Message------From: MHRJGScott@aol.comSender:
> nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.comTo:
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> nwu-sports@tssi.comSubject:
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> 5:06 PM
> should be fun, reading the Auburn blogs I found an NU blog
> I had never? read, pretty good analysis of the matchup
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 27 05:46:43 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sun Dec 27 05:46:51 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball - The SjT Curse
Message-ID: <515898.2308.qm@web36801.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

When SjT and I were undergrads the '93 - '94 Wildcats opened the season with 9 wins. When they lost the 10th game Stephen told me that Cats have nine lives and they would never win more than nine in a row. Now they have chance to lift the curse against Illinois on Dec 30th. 

Go Cats!
Jim


      

From ajwdbw at aol.com  Sun Dec 27 09:42:34 2009
From: ajwdbw at aol.com (ajwdbw@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec 27 09:43:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
Message-ID: <20e9.32003171.3868da6a@aol.com>

My guess is that Coach Meyer also thought of Coach Walker and that thought  
might have been a part of the thinking that led to his decision.
Don Williams 
C55 
 
 
In a message dated 12/26/2009 7:44:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
neonrye@aol.com writes:

After  getting over the initial shock ans seeing it was cardio-related, I 
tbougbt  poignantly of Coach Walker
From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Dec 27 09:48:11 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec 27 09:48:07 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea
In-Reply-To: <20e9.32003171.3868da6a@aol.com>
References: <20e9.32003171.3868da6a@aol.com>
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Good point.  Takes guts to step down and not think he will work it through.  I'm sure we will see him again as head coach but maybe 3- 4 years later.  Maybe another dick vermeil

Harry
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-----Original Message-----
From: ajwdbw@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 10:42:34 
To: <neonrye@aol.com>; <Hakirsch@aol.com>; <MHRJGScott@aol.com>; <nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>; <advanced1k@me.com>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tailgate/List meetup idea

My guess is that Coach Meyer also thought of Coach Walker and that thought  
might have been a part of the thinking that led to his decision.
Don Williams 
C55 
 
 
In a message dated 12/26/2009 7:44:14 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
neonrye@aol.com writes:

After  getting over the initial shock ans seeing it was cardio-related, I 
tbougbt  poignantly of Coach Walker

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Dec 27 09:54:40 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec 27 09:54:50 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Meyer
Message-ID: <c7a.69936fdc.3868dd40@aol.com>

Another shock to Meyer was in the summer of 2007,when Wake Forest  
basketball coach Skip Prosser died of a heart attack. Meyer was working 100  hours a 
week and was taken to the hospital with chest pains after the Alabama  game.
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 27 13:46:19 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Dec 27 13:46:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Good grief ...
Message-ID: <489287.52930.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

... now CBS is reporting that Meyer has changed his mind and will only take a leave of absence.

Is Urban Brett Favre's long-lost twin???

Ugh - so much for any grand Sugar Bowl swan song sympathy. And also say goodbye to any big names like Stoops even considering the job if all it's going to be is a placeholder position.

This could really be interesting if the Gators have an on-field puppet coach next year taking orders from a man upstairs (not THE man upstairs, though Urban may begin to think he is).

Good riddance 2009 ... a year when the bad guys seemed to either win titles (Kobe, A-Roid) or the on-field news was overshadowed by off-field drama divas.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Dec 27 13:59:47 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec 27 13:59:47 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Good grief ...
Message-ID: <1148167657-1261943978-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-936813244-@bda198.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Hmm.  Interesting.  I may need to take back some of my comments about Urban. I know they mentioned giving him a lesser role.  I thought it might be a Bill walsh behind the scenes approach but may be not. I guess stay tuned and do agree with Steve that short of NU's nice November  in football and of course Lacrosse I am happy to say good bye to the sports year of 2009.  Anytime both Kobe and A Rod win championships for the hated Lakers and Yankees can't be good. Not to mention the biggest golf story of the year takes place  off the golf course

Hoping 2010 starts out with a Cat win

Harry
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Good grief ...
Sent: Dec 27, 2009 11:46 AM

... now CBS is reporting that Meyer has changed his mind and will only take a leave of absence.

Is Urban Brett Favre's long-lost twin???

Ugh - so much for any grand Sugar Bowl swan song sympathy. And also say goodbye to any big names like Stoops even considering the job if all it's going to be is a placeholder position.

This could really be interesting if the Gators have an on-field puppet coach next year taking orders from a man upstairs (not THE man upstairs, though Urban may begin to think he is).

Good riddance 2009 ... a year when the bad guys seemed to either win titles (Kobe, A-Roid) or the on-field news was overshadowed by off-field drama divas.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 27 14:26:52 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Dec 27 14:26:59 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Good grief ...
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> not. I guess stay tuned and do agree with Steve that short
> of NU's nice November? in football and of course
> Lacrosse I am happy to say good bye to the sports year of
> 2009.? Anytime both Kobe and A Rod win championships
> for the hated Lakers and Yankees can't be good. Not to
> mention the biggest golf story of the year takes place?

:) - I would call it the "year of the douche" with Kobe the Rapist, Smug Phil "X" and A-Roid proving that nice guys finish last.

However, you could also look at it as an "Empire Strikes Back" year with the Lakers, Yankees and Steelers -- arguably the top franchises in their respective sports (the Celtics might argue that :) ) -- all returning to the top. All that was missing was a Canadiens Stanley Cup, though the Pens and Red Wings may be the next in line after the Habs.

College was actually a brief respite -- sure there was the usual B-C-Mess and "big boys" ... and two of my least favorite teams in the Gators and Heels won, but both featured nice stories of certain pro prospects returning to school for the joy of the college game. And, of course, it was a nice year for NU and hopefully that's the one thing that carries over into 2010.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 27 14:35:18 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Dec 27 14:35:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] A nice list ...
Message-ID: <215636.52259.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Certain things wander through the mind while watching the Saints play like crap again and trying to blow home field ...

Such as this list of teams ...

- Boise State
- Stanford
- Purdue
- Southern Cal
- Alabama
- Miami
- Georgia
- Ohio State
- Northwestern

What list is this?

Well, they may have screwed up the matchups and format, but the B(C)S has its best crop of teams ever this year with all top 10 teams who have a combined record of 116-9. Above are the nine schools to beat a B(C)S team this year.

If you take out teams that are in the B(C)S, the list shrinks to a select six ...

- Stanford
- Purdue
- Southern Cal
- Miami
- Georgia
- Northwestern

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Dec 27 23:08:19 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Dec 27 23:08:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] 'Cats in Tampa
Message-ID: <8CC5592E7AC3B33-3F7C-30553@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>


Fitz and his "young men" arrived in Tampa today, according to Channel 8 (NBC affiliate).  I just saw short feature on the late news about the 'Cats visit to St. Joseph Children's Hospital.  I think the Tigers also visited, but they only showed the boys in Purple and White. 

There had been a feature on the earlier news.  I saw a preview, which included a quote from Fitz (on camera)--but then missed it, while watching a key play in the Jets triumph over Colts.  My two football passions in direct conflict.:-)  The late news blurb showed Quentin Davie running down a hallway (wearing Purple jersey) with a little girl.  Very heart-warming.

We are having some cool, overcast weather here.  However, the forecast I just saw had warm, mostly sunny weather on Wed. and Thurs. (low '70's), with sun and high of 68 for Friday.  There is 30% chance of rain, which cannot be discounted, as every forecast over past several days has mentioned possible showers.  It definitely will not be hot, so our Midwestern crew should feel comfortable.  I think weather will be good for the beach activities for teams and fans on Wed.

I will be up in Tampa and at the Marriott on Wed. for the NAA Buffet Dinner (Banquet).  If any of you are around, give me a holler on my cell (917-902-9429), as I may have a little free time after I drop my daughter at TIA (Tampa Intl. Airport).

4 1/2 days to Kickoff!

Paul Levinson
From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Dec 28 04:02:35 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Dec 28 04:02:57 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
References: <8CC5592E7AC3B33-3F7C-30553@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <08C535E9D5D7405FAAD624DB70B870B9@DennisMachine>

There has been a notable lack of predictions for the game.  I suspect your 
hearts won't let your heads admit that we will probably go down and go down 
hard.  I suspect we won't get within twenty points of Auburn.  Yes, they 
lost five games, but three of them were to highly ranked LSU and Alabama by 
seven points or less.  They suffered defeats at the hands of a not-shabby 
Arkansas, an always formidable Georgia, and bowl-bound Kentucky.  Meanwhile, 
we lost to Syracuse and Minnesota and struggled with the likes of Eastern 
Michigan and Miami of Ohio.  The Cats are not in the SEC class of speed and 
athleticism.  Maybe Auburn will take us too lightly, and we'll get some 
breaks, or maybe the Cats will play the greatest game of their lives and 
gain the team's biggest victory since Notre Dame in '95.  I just don't think 
it will happen.  Lord!  I hope I am wrong.  If so, I will gorge myself on 
crow, deep-fried, feathers and all, top it off with a dessert of humble pie, 
and enjoy the whole culinary experience.  However, I suspect I will be 
dining on pork and sauerkraut again this New Year's Day. 

From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Mon Dec 28 08:23:11 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Mon Dec 28 08:25:48 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
Message-ID: <20091228.082311.19972.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>

I despise the SEC speed comment.  Being from the south does not make you fast and being from the north does not make you slow.

Best American Runners Ever
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/bestusrunners

10. Lee Evans -- California
9. Renaldo Nehemiah -- New Jersey
8. Steve Prefontaine -- Oregon
7. Maurice Greene -- Kansas
6. Michael Johnson -- Texas
5. Bob Hayes -- Florida
4. Jim Ryun -- Kansas
3. Jesse Owens -- Alabama
2. Carl Lewis -- Alabama
1. Edwin Moses -- Ohio 

Pac 10 - 2
Big 12 - 3
SEC - 3
Big East - 1
Big Ten - 1

The irony is that #1 is from the north and went to a southern college while #3 is from the south but is inseparably linked to tOSU.

The Cats are not in the same class of speed as any school who is a 4 and 5-star destination.  One of the things that make someone highly ranked is that they are blazing fast.

A side note:  In Ironman, Canadians disproportionally qualify for Kona(world championships) even though their bike training season is among the shortest.  You would think the southerners(florida/california) would dominate, but this is not the case.  Beyond good genetics, desire and dedication make you successful.

---------- Original Message ----------
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To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
Cc: 
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:02:35 -0500

There has been a notable lack of predictions for the game.  I suspect your 
hearts won't let your heads admit that we will probably go down and go down 
hard.  I suspect we won't get within twenty points of Auburn.  Yes, they 
lost five games, but three of them were to highly ranked LSU and Alabama by 
seven points or less.  They suffered defeats at the hands of a not-shabby 
Arkansas, an always formidable Georgia, and bowl-bound Kentucky.  Meanwhile, 
we lost to Syracuse and Minnesota and struggled with the likes of Eastern 
Michigan and Miami of Ohio.  The Cats are not in the SEC class of speed and 
athleticism.  Maybe Auburn will take us too lightly, and we'll get some 
breaks, or maybe the Cats will play the greatest game of their lives and 
gain the team's biggest victory since Notre Dame in '95.  I just don't think 
it will happen.  Lord!  I hope I am wrong.  If so, I will gorge myself on 
crow, deep-fried, feathers and all, top it off with a dessert of humble pie, 
and enjoy the whole culinary experience.  However, I suspect I will be 
dining on pork and sauerkraut again this New Year's Day. 

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From hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Dec 28 09:17:20 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec 28 09:17:33 2009
Subject: Fw: [NU Sports] No predictions?
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From: hakirsch@aol.com
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:11:39 
To: mlinhardt@netzero.com<mlinhardt@netzero.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] No predictions?

Hard to believe the distance runners were considered amongst the speediest.  But even if being from the south doesn't make you fast ,the SEC has been one of the faster conferences while the BT has been one of the slower ones. Hard to dispute. Yes I know woody has been out of coaching for 30 years and BO 20 but somehow their legacies live on

Harry
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 14:23:11 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] No predictions?

I despise the SEC speed comment.  Being from the south does not make you fast and being from the north does not make you slow.

Best American Runners Ever
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/bestusrunners

10. Lee Evans -- California
9. Renaldo Nehemiah -- New Jersey
8. Steve Prefontaine -- Oregon
7. Maurice Greene -- Kansas
6. Michael Johnson -- Texas
5. Bob Hayes -- Florida
4. Jim Ryun -- Kansas
3. Jesse Owens -- Alabama
2. Carl Lewis -- Alabama
1. Edwin Moses -- Ohio 

Pac 10 - 2
Big 12 - 3
SEC - 3
Big East - 1
Big Ten - 1

The irony is that #1 is from the north and went to a southern college while #3 is from the south but is inseparably linked to tOSU.

The Cats are not in the same class of speed as any school who is a 4 and 5-star destination.  One of the things that make someone highly ranked is that they are blazing fast.

A side note:  In Ironman, Canadians disproportionally qualify for Kona(world championships) even though their bike training season is among the shortest.  You would think the southerners(florida/california) would dominate, but this is not the case.  Beyond good genetics, desire and dedication make you successful.

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From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
Cc: 
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:02:35 -0500

There has been a notable lack of predictions for the game.  I suspect your 
hearts won't let your heads admit that we will probably go down and go down 
hard.  I suspect we won't get within twenty points of Auburn.  Yes, they 
lost five games, but three of them were to highly ranked LSU and Alabama by 
seven points or less.  They suffered defeats at the hands of a not-shabby 
Arkansas, an always formidable Georgia, and bowl-bound Kentucky.  Meanwhile, 
we lost to Syracuse and Minnesota and struggled with the likes of Eastern 
Michigan and Miami of Ohio.  The Cats are not in the SEC class of speed and 
athleticism.  Maybe Auburn will take us too lightly, and we'll get some 
breaks, or maybe the Cats will play the greatest game of their lives and 
gain the team's biggest victory since Notre Dame in '95.  I just don't think 
it will happen.  Lord!  I hope I am wrong.  If so, I will gorge myself on 
crow, deep-fried, feathers and all, top it off with a dessert of humble pie, 
and enjoy the whole culinary experience.  However, I suspect I will be 
dining on pork and sauerkraut again this New Year's Day. 

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Dec 28 09:36:08 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec 28 09:36:24 2009
Subject: Fw: [NU Sports] No predictions?
Message-ID: <bcf.5a3c11e6.386a2a68@aol.com>

Not withstanding the geographical debate I hope this is a replay of  "the 
war of northern aggression" as it is known in Alabama. If the CATS!!! play  
mistake free football, and establish any kind of running game I think Kafka 
can  throw deep and often.  Auburn has a terrible secondary.  I say the  
defense steps up and the CATS!!! win 27-24.
From cspnu1981 at tds.net  Mon Dec 28 10:24:25 2009
From: cspnu1981 at tds.net (Chris Patterson)
Date: Mon Dec 28 10:25:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Thursday Night Dinner, Tailgate, etc.
Message-ID: <E99F531C6D58480AAD123DD2581A4AB5@Eagle>

Hi All,

            So I too have Tent 24 for the tailgate.  My game seat is in
section  219.  Anybody else in that section?

 

            Where are we meeting up at Tent 24?  I'd be happy to collect
cell phone #'s and email them out to all of us going to the tailgate. Email
me offline if you like.  Mine is: 865-806-9966. My wife can't make it down
for the game, so at Tent 24, I'll be the lone guy, 50'ish, balding some, a
little extra on the waistline and . by the way, I'll be wearing a purple
shirt to stand out. :-)   Anybody have a lister flag or a very noticeable
hat?  I look forward to meeting all of you. Haven't seen Roy since the Duke
game in Durham a number of years ago. 

 

            I have reservations the 31st at the Marriott (TownePlace Suites
on I-75) . it's near the Lower Hillsborough Wilderness Preserve . thought
I'd do a little biking while down in Tampa. Anybody know some good trails?
Beach? I'm going to come into Tampa on the morning of the 31st. I'll be
bookending my Tampa excursion from Orlando (staying with my mother-in-law).

 

            Has anybody made plans for dinner on Thursday?  I'm pretty
flexible on time. 

 

            Also anybody driving north after the game and want a place to
stay. we enjoy hosting at our home in Knoxville.

 

            All the best to everyone this holiday season. GO CATS!

Chris

Knoxville, TN

 

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Dec 28 10:25:31 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Dec 28 10:25:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
References: <8CC5592E7AC3B33-3F7C-30553@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>
	<08C535E9D5D7405FAAD624DB70B870B9@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA02D31881@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

You've been singing this song for a long time.  
 
During the season it was that NU didn't have the athletes to compete in the BT.  Instead of giving up, NU, despite injuries and graduation, went 8-4 with big time wins against Iowa and Wisconsin (who one would assume DO have the sorts of athletes that you think NU needs).
 
Now that we are in the bowl season, it is that cannard that SEC is able to recruit better athletes than the BT - so NU is doubly cursed.  Not only don't we have the athletes necessary to win in the BT, but the BT clearly doesn't have the athletes to compete with the SEC.
 
Team speed may have been a secret ingredient to success in the 80's when Miami changed the college football landscape.  It is no longer a secret.  Everyone recruits for speed.  But speed alone doesn't win football games.  Otherwise, USC would have had an undefeated season.
 
Instead USC lost to a MUCH slower Stanford team because that Stanford team was tough, believed in themselves, and didn't make mistakes.  They proved that you can still win with old time smash-mouth football.
 
The other NU (Nebraska) was one penalty away from beating a much faster and WAY more talented Texas team because they had a game plan that they believed in (Suh helped too).  Nebraska had no passing game.  What trick plays they tried didn't work.  They only had desire and a willingness to play the game until the end.  
 
I think the reason that you aren't seeing many predications is because we have all been enjoying holiday time with our families.
 
NU is going to win this game because they want it more than Auburn.  Auburn is going to believe, like you do, that they have the better athletes and can simply show up.  That will be their undoing.  
 
So here are my predictions.
 
Wooten is going to prove to the country that he is a fully healed big game NFL-bound player.  A healthy Kafka will be able to run as well as pass.  Zeke will get 100 receiving yards but need 25 catches to do it.  McManus will get two picks.  Demos will get a 70 yard punt and a 50 yard field goal; and Phillips will propose to his girl friend.  There will be a lot of offense, but in the end, it will come down to who wants it more.  NU wins.
 
Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Mon 12/28/2009 5:02 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?



There has been a notable lack of predictions for the game.  I suspect your
hearts won't let your heads admit that we will probably go down and go down
hard.  I suspect we won't get within twenty points of Auburn.  Yes, they
lost five games, but three of them were to highly ranked LSU and Alabama by
seven points or less.  They suffered defeats at the hands of a not-shabby
Arkansas, an always formidable Georgia, and bowl-bound Kentucky.  Meanwhile,
we lost to Syracuse and Minnesota and struggled with the likes of Eastern
Michigan and Miami of Ohio.  The Cats are not in the SEC class of speed and
athleticism.  Maybe Auburn will take us too lightly, and we'll get some
breaks, or maybe the Cats will play the greatest game of their lives and
gain the team's biggest victory since Notre Dame in '95.  I just don't think
it will happen.  Lord!  I hope I am wrong.  If so, I will gorge myself on
crow, deep-fried, feathers and all, top it off with a dessert of humble pie,
and enjoy the whole culinary experience.  However, I suspect I will be
dining on pork and sauerkraut again this New Year's Day.

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Dec 28 10:44:14 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Mon Dec 28 10:44:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
In-Reply-To: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA02D31881@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <8CC5592E7AC3B33-3F7C-30553@webmail-d064.sysops.aol.com>	<08C535E9D5D7405FAAD624DB70B870B9@DennisMachine>
	<FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA02D31881@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <003101ca87dc$fe3520d0$fa9f6270$@com>

This game comes down to Kafka, Zeke, Brewer, Batman, Wootton, Smith and the rest of the Seniors.

They have something to prove - something that half this list seems to believe - that NU's talent is just not there and we play "over our heads."

>From where I sit and watch the games, NU plays 100% and loses when they let down. I sit and watch million dollar a year receivers drop passes on Sunday, and wonder why some of our sure handed guys (Peterman? And others) are sitting at home.

IN any case, Brewer and Zeke are a pair of guys who can make the plays if Kafka is on target.

What we need for the NFL are a couple of scouts who believe in the bigger, faster, smarter philosophy practiced by Walker, then Fitz in recruiting. After watching the little guy from Rutgers light up the Steelers yesterday, I can't see why Tyrell isn't starting somewhere and given that the Cowboys win with two undrafted players (Romo and Austin) adds the exclamation point!

Go Cats - 2010 is the Bowl year.

rsl

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 11:26 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] No predictions?

You've been singing this song for a long time.  
 
During the season it was that NU didn't have the athletes to compete in the BT.  Instead of giving up, NU, despite injuries and graduation, went 8-4 with big time wins against Iowa and Wisconsin (who one would assume DO have the sorts of athletes that you think NU needs).
 
Now that we are in the bowl season, it is that cannard that SEC is able to recruit better athletes than the BT - so NU is doubly cursed.  Not only don't we have the athletes necessary to win in the BT, but the BT clearly doesn't have the athletes to compete with the SEC.
 
Team speed may have been a secret ingredient to success in the 80's when Miami changed the college football landscape.  It is no longer a secret.  Everyone recruits for speed.  But speed alone doesn't win football games.  Otherwise, USC would have had an undefeated season.
 
Instead USC lost to a MUCH slower Stanford team because that Stanford team was tough, believed in themselves, and didn't make mistakes.  They proved that you can still win with old time smash-mouth football.
 
The other NU (Nebraska) was one penalty away from beating a much faster and WAY more talented Texas team because they had a game plan that they believed in (Suh helped too).  Nebraska had no passing game.  What trick plays they tried didn't work.  They only had desire and a willingness to play the game until the end.  
 
I think the reason that you aren't seeing many predications is because we have all been enjoying holiday time with our families.
 
NU is going to win this game because they want it more than Auburn.  Auburn is going to believe, like you do, that they have the better athletes and can simply show up.  That will be their undoing.  
 
So here are my predictions.
 
Wooten is going to prove to the country that he is a fully healed big game NFL-bound player.  A healthy Kafka will be able to run as well as pass.  Zeke will get 100 receiving yards but need 25 catches to do it.  McManus will get two picks.  Demos will get a 70 yard punt and a 50 yard field goal; and Phillips will propose to his girl friend.  There will be a lot of offense, but in the end, it will come down to who wants it more.  NU wins.
 
Jeff


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Sent: Mon 12/28/2009 5:02 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?



There has been a notable lack of predictions for the game.  I suspect your
hearts won't let your heads admit that we will probably go down and go down
hard.  I suspect we won't get within twenty points of Auburn.  Yes, they
lost five games, but three of them were to highly ranked LSU and Alabama by
seven points or less.  They suffered defeats at the hands of a not-shabby
Arkansas, an always formidable Georgia, and bowl-bound Kentucky.  Meanwhile,
we lost to Syracuse and Minnesota and struggled with the likes of Eastern
Michigan and Miami of Ohio.  The Cats are not in the SEC class of speed and
athleticism.  Maybe Auburn will take us too lightly, and we'll get some
breaks, or maybe the Cats will play the greatest game of their lives and
gain the team's biggest victory since Notre Dame in '95.  I just don't think
it will happen.  Lord!  I hope I am wrong.  If so, I will gorge myself on
crow, deep-fried, feathers and all, top it off with a dessert of humble pie,
and enjoy the whole culinary experience.  However, I suspect I will be
dining on pork and sauerkraut again this New Year's Day.

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Dec 28 10:59:17 2009
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Dec 28 10:59:22 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
In-Reply-To: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA02D31881@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
	from "Beamsley, Jeff" at Dec 28, 2009 11:25:31 AM
Message-ID: <200912281659.nBSGxHJs030207@romaine.tssi.com>

> The other NU (Nebraska) was one penalty away from beating a much faster and WAY more talented Texas team because they had a game plan that they believed in (Suh helped too).  Nebraska had no passing game.  What trick plays they tried didn't work.  They only had desire and a willingness to play the game until the end.  

Yeah, but Texas had better refs.  :-)
--
Mike Nolan

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 28 11:22:55 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Dec 28 11:23:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
In-Reply-To: <20091228.082311.19972.0@webmail09.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <113422.72472.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> I despise the SEC speed comment.?

Me too. I think it's something the SEC coaches use to get into the heads of Big Ten or Big XII teams, as St. Urban the Waffler has done masterfully in between press conference whines the last four years and it really stuck in the vast chasms and cobwebs of the Ohio State University "student" athlete's brain.:)

The reality is that the fastest player on the field during that OSU/UF title game was Ted Ginn, from Ohio State (who was injured right away, unfortunately for the Bucks). The fastest running back in the NFL is from a CUSA school, not the SEC. And in terms of our game, Auburn has speed but no one faster than Jeremy Maclin, who we faced against Mizzou last year on turf.

Give the SEC credit - they play up their myths well. They harp on the SEC speed and the SEC dominance in bowl games and do it so much and so often (with help from CBS, while ABC chooses to bash the Big Ten instead with those two morons in the studio) that it starts to become accepted as fact.

Nevermind that the Big Ten has actually beaten the SEC more often than not in recent bowl games, winning 4 of the last 5 Cap One bowls (7 of the last 11) and 4 of the past 7 in Tampa.

The SEC is a great conference, with great athletes and great speed from their five-star recruiting base ... but it's not as vast a gap as the hype leads people to believe. Big Ten teams can't buy into it so easily.

Fitz is taking the right approach by not buying into it and rightly pointing out that there's speed and there's quickness, and that NU can negate any speed differential by quicker reactions and quicker thinking on the field. 

Mind over matter. Urban's vaunted speed and Gator-thuggery didn't matter much when Michigan went into Orlando and shoved Mike Hart down their throats 500 times. We can't get away from our game plan because of the reported speed. Just play our game. I'll take McManis and Wootten. I'll take our team play and quick adjustments.

As for predictions, it's a tough game to call because there's just not much to look at to see how these teams match up. Auburn played great against Bama and NU played great against Iowa. Throw those two games out as rivalries and teams playing over their heads in their best efforts of the year. What you're left with is a team that went 7-5 in an underwhelming SEC and a team that lost to Syracuse (Minny isn't a bad loss in September - it's a terrible loss in November).

The teams have bursts of talent and gimmick offenses, but are inconsistent, so it really is a crap shoot. The line is more due to the name of NU and the name of Auburn. 

I think the time off helps NU more, as Auburn was catching fire with the Bama game. It helped NU heal on defense and it helped Hankwitz get a good look at some film to come up with some defensive schemes they haven't seen before.

I know we're huge underdogs, but with a healthy Kafka, healthy Wootten and time to plan, I certainly don't think we'll be blown out of the stadium like the Citrus Bowl against Team Payton. Our seniors want it!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


      

From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 28 12:00:56 2009
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Dec 28 12:01:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
In-Reply-To: <200912281659.nBSGxHJs030207@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <806815.69820.qm@web33101.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think NU has a very good chance to pull out a victory. 

Now that they are finally getting healthy, I think our D-line has a good chance of being very stout against the running game. If they can also get pressure on the QB, we should be able to keep the game close all the way. Wotton will be another month further along in his recovery, which can only help. 

With respect to the secondary, we know McManis can hang with (not dominate perhaps, but certainly hang with) NFL-caliber receivers. Mabin has shown flashes, but gave up a bunch of plays this year. How well Mabin plays will be a huge factor. 

But Smith's return should help immensely here. He's one of our best defenders, and allows Peters to work as the 5th DB, where he's been more effective at this stage in his career. A healed-up Phillips should help as well. 

Finally, our LBs have been playing well against both pass and run, and I think we have plenty of pure athleticism there. 

On offense, everything I've read suggests that our passing game matches up well--perhaps *very* well--against their pass D. If our O-line continues to improve its run-blocking, and if Kafka's leg is (and remains) 100%, we should be more multi-dimensional, making the passing game even more effective. 

I suspect other aspects more or less balance out. We've got a very good FG kicker, a good kickoff return game, shaky punting and kickoff game, etc. 

Yeah, there's a chance they have more raw talent/speed than we can hang with--too many degrees of separation between these teams to really have a feel for their relative capabilities. 

But I don't think that will be the case. 

And, except in cases where one team is completed dominated talent-wise, emotion and preparation seem to make the difference in most bowl games. NU looked *very* well-prepared for the bowl game last year. 

Having been a big fan of both Kafka and McManis since their freshman years, I'd love to see Kafka go nuts throwing and running in his final game, and then have Sherrick pull off one of his "how did he do that?" interceptions to seal a victory. 

And I think there's a very good chance we might see just that.  

Tom

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 28 13:37:47 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Dec 28 13:38:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Now we gotta STAY there ...
Message-ID: <830332.49613.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091228/ap_on_sp_co_ap_po/bkc_t25_college_bkb_poll

First NU ranking in the AP poll in 40 years.

Big Ten tied for the most with five teams. A sign of respect after the Big Ten/ACC challenge that has helped NU crack the top 25.

Congrats Coach Carmody - keep it up Cats!!!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From mlinhardt at netzero.com  Mon Dec 28 16:12:41 2009
From: mlinhardt at netzero.com (mlinhardt@netzero.com)
Date: Mon Dec 28 16:16:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
Message-ID: <20091228.161241.21601.6@webmail10.dca.untd.com>

As a marathoner(and longer) 5K(or miler) guys are not distance runners.

I just wanted a list of fast americans so I could look at birthplace and ESPN was the 1st site I found.

Has there been a 40 comparison between recruits of the SEC and recruits of the Big Ten?  I would stack tOSU 85 scholarship football players up against any other school and I bet their 40 times would be the same or within spitting distance.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: hakirsch@aol.com

Hard to believe the distance runners were considered amongst the speediest.  But even if being from the south doesn't make you fast ,the SEC has been one of the faster conferences while the BT has been one of the slower ones. Hard to dispute. Yes I know woody has been out of coaching for 30 years and BO 20 but somehow their legacies live on

-----Original Message-----
From: "mlinhardt@netzero.com" <mlinhardt@netzero.com>

I despise the SEC speed comment.  Being from the south does not make you fast and being from the north does not make you slow.

Best American Runners Ever
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/bestusrunners

10. Lee Evans -- California
9. Renaldo Nehemiah -- New Jersey
8. Steve Prefontaine -- Oregon
7. Maurice Greene -- Kansas
6. Michael Johnson -- Texas
5. Bob Hayes -- Florida
4. Jim Ryun -- Kansas
3. Jesse Owens -- Alabama
2. Carl Lewis -- Alabama
1. Edwin Moses -- Ohio 

Pac 10 - 2
Big 12 - 3
SEC - 3
Big East - 1
Big Ten - 1

The irony is that #1 is from the north and went to a southern college while #3 is from the south but is inseparably linked to tOSU.

The Cats are not in the same class of speed as any school who is a 4 and 5-star destination.  One of the things that make someone highly ranked is that they are blazing fast.

A side note:  In Ironman, Canadians disproportionally qualify for Kona(world championships) even though their bike training season is among the shortest.  You would think the southerners(florida/california) would dominate, but this is not the case.  Beyond good genetics, desire and dedication make you successful.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
Cc: 
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:02:35 -0500

There has been a notable lack of predictions for the game.  I suspect your 
hearts won't let your heads admit that we will probably go down and go down 
hard.  I suspect we won't get within twenty points of Auburn.  Yes, they 
lost five games, but three of them were to highly ranked LSU and Alabama by 
seven points or less.  They suffered defeats at the hands of a not-shabby 
Arkansas, an always formidable Georgia, and bowl-bound Kentucky.  Meanwhile, 
we lost to Syracuse and Minnesota and struggled with the likes of Eastern 
Michigan and Miami of Ohio.  The Cats are not in the SEC class of speed and 
athleticism.  Maybe Auburn will take us too lightly, and we'll get some 
breaks, or maybe the Cats will play the greatest game of their lives and 
gain the team's biggest victory since Notre Dame in '95.  I just don't think 
it will happen.  Lord!  I hope I am wrong.  If so, I will gorge myself on 
crow, deep-fried, feathers and all, top it off with a dessert of humble pie, 
and enjoy the whole culinary experience.  However, I suspect I will be 
dining on pork and sauerkraut again this New Year's Day. 

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Mon Dec 28 17:10:56 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Mon Dec 28 17:14:38 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
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Don't know if this article has been posted before.  But it should provide a little insight into the challenges that Auburm feels they are facing with NU.  They are thin on the D line and concerned about getting tired.  They see NU as a pass first team which means we'll likely find some room to run.  Finally, the loss of the sophmore Smith is going to affect their ability to protect the QB on passing downs.
 
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As a marathoner(and longer) 5K(or miler) guys are not distance runners.

I just wanted a list of fast americans so I could look at birthplace and ESPN was the 1st site I found.

Has there been a 40 comparison between recruits of the SEC and recruits of the Big Ten?  I would stack tOSU 85 scholarship football players up against any other school and I bet their 40 times would be the same or within spitting distance.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: hakirsch@aol.com

Hard to believe the distance runners were considered amongst the speediest.  But even if being from the south doesn't make you fast ,the SEC has been one of the faster conferences while the BT has been one of the slower ones. Hard to dispute. Yes I know woody has been out of coaching for 30 years and BO 20 but somehow their legacies live on

-----Original Message-----
From: "mlinhardt@netzero.com" <mlinhardt@netzero.com>

I despise the SEC speed comment.  Being from the south does not make you fast and being from the north does not make you slow.

Best American Runners Ever
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/bestusrunners

10. Lee Evans -- California
9. Renaldo Nehemiah -- New Jersey
8. Steve Prefontaine -- Oregon
7. Maurice Greene -- Kansas
6. Michael Johnson -- Texas
5. Bob Hayes -- Florida
4. Jim Ryun -- Kansas
3. Jesse Owens -- Alabama
2. Carl Lewis -- Alabama
1. Edwin Moses -- Ohio

Pac 10 - 2
Big 12 - 3
SEC - 3
Big East - 1
Big Ten - 1

The irony is that #1 is from the north and went to a southern college while #3 is from the south but is inseparably linked to tOSU.

The Cats are not in the same class of speed as any school who is a 4 and 5-star destination.  One of the things that make someone highly ranked is that they are blazing fast.

A side note:  In Ironman, Canadians disproportionally qualify for Kona(world championships) even though their bike training season is among the shortest.  You would think the southerners(florida/california) would dominate, but this is not the case.  Beyond good genetics, desire and dedication make you successful.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
Cc:
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:02:35 -0500

There has been a notable lack of predictions for the game.  I suspect your
hearts won't let your heads admit that we will probably go down and go down
hard.  I suspect we won't get within twenty points of Auburn.  Yes, they
lost five games, but three of them were to highly ranked LSU and Alabama by
seven points or less.  They suffered defeats at the hands of a not-shabby
Arkansas, an always formidable Georgia, and bowl-bound Kentucky.  Meanwhile,
we lost to Syracuse and Minnesota and struggled with the likes of Eastern
Michigan and Miami of Ohio.  The Cats are not in the SEC class of speed and
athleticism.  Maybe Auburn will take us too lightly, and we'll get some
breaks, or maybe the Cats will play the greatest game of their lives and
gain the team's biggest victory since Notre Dame in '95.  I just don't think
it will happen.  Lord!  I hope I am wrong.  If so, I will gorge myself on
crow, deep-fried, feathers and all, top it off with a dessert of humble pie,
and enjoy the whole culinary experience.  However, I suspect I will be
dining on pork and sauerkraut again this New Year's Day.

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From carljrossi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 17:46:17 2009
From: carljrossi at gmail.com (Carl Rossi)
Date: Mon Dec 28 17:46:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
In-Reply-To: <20091228.161241.21601.6@webmail10.dca.untd.com>
References: <20091228.161241.21601.6@webmail10.dca.untd.com>
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Although Jim Ryun was the World Record Holder in the Mile (at age 19!), the
1500 meters, and the 800 meters, those are all considered "middle distance"
events. Anything beyond 1500 meters is a "distance" event. Prefontane was a
relatively decent miler (he ran around 354) but his forte was the 5,000
meters (American Record Holder, 4th in Munich Oly 5K final). Ryun had decent
400 speed (45 seconds) but neither one would be considered a sprinter by any
stretch of the imagination. Nowadays, most world-class "distance" runners
(as in the Marathon) are also world-class in the 5K-10K and in some cases
the 1500 meters (Example-current Marathon WR H

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:12 PM, mlinhardt@netzero.com <
mlinhardt@netzero.com> wrote:

> As a marathoner(and longer) 5K(or miler) guys are not distance runners.
>
> I just wanted a list of fast americans so I could look at birthplace and
> ESPN was the 1st site I found.
>
> Has there been a 40 comparison between recruits of the SEC and recruits of
> the Big Ten?  I would stack tOSU 85 scholarship football players up against
> any other school and I bet their 40 times would be the same or within
> spitting distance.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: hakirsch@aol.com
>
> Hard to believe the distance runners were considered amongst the speediest.
>  But even if being from the south doesn't make you fast ,the SEC has been
> one of the faster conferences while the BT has been one of the slower ones.
> Hard to dispute. Yes I know woody has been out of coaching for 30 years and
> BO 20 but somehow their legacies live on
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "mlinhardt@netzero.com" <mlinhardt@netzero.com>
>
> I despise the SEC speed comment.  Being from the south does not make you
> fast and being from the north does not make you slow.
>
> Best American Runners Ever
> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/bestusrunners
>
> 10. Lee Evans -- California
> 9. Renaldo Nehemiah -- New Jersey
> 8. Steve Prefontaine -- Oregon
> 7. Maurice Greene -- Kansas
> 6. Michael Johnson -- Texas
> 5. Bob Hayes -- Florida
> 4. Jim Ryun -- Kansas
> 3. Jesse Owens -- Alabama
> 2. Carl Lewis -- Alabama
> 1. Edwin Moses -- Ohio
>
> Pac 10 - 2
> Big 12 - 3
> SEC - 3
> Big East - 1
> Big Ten - 1
>
> The irony is that #1 is from the north and went to a southern college while
> #3 is from the south but is inseparably linked to tOSU.
>
> The Cats are not in the same class of speed as any school who is a 4 and
> 5-star destination.  One of the things that make someone highly ranked is
> that they are blazing fast.
>
> A side note:  In Ironman, Canadians disproportionally qualify for
> Kona(world championships) even though their bike training season is among
> the shortest.  You would think the southerners(florida/california) would
> dominate, but this is not the case.  Beyond good genetics, desire and
> dedication make you successful.
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
> Cc:
> Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:02:35 -0500
>
> There has been a notable lack of predictions for the game.  I suspect your
> hearts won't let your heads admit that we will probably go down and go down
> hard.  I suspect we won't get within twenty points of Auburn.  Yes, they
> lost five games, but three of them were to highly ranked LSU and Alabama by
> seven points or less.  They suffered defeats at the hands of a not-shabby
> Arkansas, an always formidable Georgia, and bowl-bound Kentucky.
>  Meanwhile,
> we lost to Syracuse and Minnesota and struggled with the likes of Eastern
> Michigan and Miami of Ohio.  The Cats are not in the SEC class of speed and
> athleticism.  Maybe Auburn will take us too lightly, and we'll get some
> breaks, or maybe the Cats will play the greatest game of their lives and
> gain the team's biggest victory since Notre Dame in '95.  I just don't
> think
> it will happen.  Lord!  I hope I am wrong.  If so, I will gorge myself on
> crow, deep-fried, feathers and all, top it off with a dessert of humble
> pie,
> and enjoy the whole culinary experience.  However, I suspect I will be
> dining on pork and sauerkraut again this New Year's Day.
>
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From carljrossi at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 17:47:14 2009
From: carljrossi at gmail.com (Carl Rossi)
Date: Mon Dec 28 17:47:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
In-Reply-To: <cfb81b0b0912281546h18ef44c7h739a94b5122369a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091228.161241.21601.6@webmail10.dca.untd.com>
	<cfb81b0b0912281546h18ef44c7h739a94b5122369a@mail.gmail.com>
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Sorry-truncated some of the last message-here's the remainder....


 (Example-current Marathon WR Holder Haile Gebrselassie is also a
world-class 1500 meter runner, having run the 1500 in 332, which equates to
a 349 mile and BTW he describes himself as a "distance runner).

Enough of that, lets go back to the NU stuff....:)

Carl

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Carl Rossi <carljrossi@gmail.com> wrote:

> Although Jim Ryun was the World Record Holder in the Mile (at age 19!), the
> 1500 meters, and the 800 meters, those are all considered "middle distance"
> events. Anything beyond 1500 meters is a "distance" event. Prefontane was a
> relatively decent miler (he ran around 354) but his forte was the 5,000
> meters (American Record Holder, 4th in Munich Oly 5K final). Ryun had decent
> 400 speed (45 seconds) but neither one would be considered a sprinter by any
> stretch of the imagination. Nowadays, most world-class "distance" runners
> (as in the Marathon) are also world-class in the 5K-10K and in some cases
> the 1500 meters (Example-current Marathon WR H
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:12 PM, mlinhardt@netzero.com <
> mlinhardt@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>> As a marathoner(and longer) 5K(or miler) guys are not distance runners.
>>
>> I just wanted a list of fast americans so I could look at birthplace and
>> ESPN was the 1st site I found.
>>
>> Has there been a 40 comparison between recruits of the SEC and recruits of
>> the Big Ten?  I would stack tOSU 85 scholarship football players up against
>> any other school and I bet their 40 times would be the same or within
>> spitting distance.
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: hakirsch@aol.com
>>
>> Hard to believe the distance runners were considered amongst the
>> speediest.  But even if being from the south doesn't make you fast ,the SEC
>> has been one of the faster conferences while the BT has been one of the
>> slower ones. Hard to dispute. Yes I know woody has been out of coaching for
>> 30 years and BO 20 but somehow their legacies live on
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "mlinhardt@netzero.com" <mlinhardt@netzero.com>
>>
>> I despise the SEC speed comment.  Being from the south does not make you
>> fast and being from the north does not make you slow.
>>
>> Best American Runners Ever
>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/bestusrunners
>>
>> 10. Lee Evans -- California
>> 9. Renaldo Nehemiah -- New Jersey
>> 8. Steve Prefontaine -- Oregon
>> 7. Maurice Greene -- Kansas
>> 6. Michael Johnson -- Texas
>> 5. Bob Hayes -- Florida
>> 4. Jim Ryun -- Kansas
>> 3. Jesse Owens -- Alabama
>> 2. Carl Lewis -- Alabama
>> 1. Edwin Moses -- Ohio
>>
>> Pac 10 - 2
>> Big 12 - 3
>> SEC - 3
>> Big East - 1
>> Big Ten - 1
>>
>> The irony is that #1 is from the north and went to a southern college
>> while #3 is from the south but is inseparably linked to tOSU.
>>
>> The Cats are not in the same class of speed as any school who is a 4 and
>> 5-star destination.  One of the things that make someone highly ranked is
>> that they are blazing fast.
>>
>> A side note:  In Ironman, Canadians disproportionally qualify for
>> Kona(world championships) even though their bike training season is among
>> the shortest.  You would think the southerners(florida/california) would
>> dominate, but this is not the case.  Beyond good genetics, desire and
>> dedication make you successful.
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
>> To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
>> Cc:
>> Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
>> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:02:35 -0500
>>
>> There has been a notable lack of predictions for the game.  I suspect your
>> hearts won't let your heads admit that we will probably go down and go
>> down
>> hard.  I suspect we won't get within twenty points of Auburn.  Yes, they
>> lost five games, but three of them were to highly ranked LSU and Alabama
>> by
>> seven points or less.  They suffered defeats at the hands of a not-shabby
>> Arkansas, an always formidable Georgia, and bowl-bound Kentucky.
>>  Meanwhile,
>> we lost to Syracuse and Minnesota and struggled with the likes of Eastern
>> Michigan and Miami of Ohio.  The Cats are not in the SEC class of speed
>> and
>> athleticism.  Maybe Auburn will take us too lightly, and we'll get some
>> breaks, or maybe the Cats will play the greatest game of their lives and
>> gain the team's biggest victory since Notre Dame in '95.  I just don't
>> think
>> it will happen.  Lord!  I hope I am wrong.  If so, I will gorge myself on
>> crow, deep-fried, feathers and all, top it off with a dessert of humble
>> pie,
>> and enjoy the whole culinary experience.  However, I suspect I will be
>> dining on pork and sauerkraut again this New Year's Day.
>>
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From neonrye at aol.com  Mon Dec 28 22:48:59 2009
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Dec 28 22:49:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
In-Reply-To: <cfb81b0b0912281547o711eb855n4c2eb598400ee430@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20091228.161241.21601.6@webmail10.dca.untd.com><cfb81b0b0912281546h18ef44c7h739a94b5122369a@mail.gmail.com><cfb81b0b0912281547o711eb855n4c2eb598400ee430@mail.gmail.com>
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Nice feature on 'Cats practice on local Tampa news.  Adam Hahn and Sherrick McManis both inteeviewed
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Carl Rossi <carljrossi@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 15:47:14 
To: mlinhardt@netzero.com<mlinhardt@netzero.com>
Cc: <maureen@foresitewireless.com>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] No predictions?

Sorry-truncated some of the last message-here's the remainder....


 (Example-current Marathon WR Holder Haile Gebrselassie is also a
world-class 1500 meter runner, having run the 1500 in 332, which equates to
a 349 mile and BTW he describes himself as a "distance runner).

Enough of that, lets go back to the NU stuff....:)

Carl

On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Carl Rossi <carljrossi@gmail.com> wrote:

> Although Jim Ryun was the World Record Holder in the Mile (at age 19!), the
> 1500 meters, and the 800 meters, those are all considered "middle distance"
> events. Anything beyond 1500 meters is a "distance" event. Prefontane was a
> relatively decent miler (he ran around 354) but his forte was the 5,000
> meters (American Record Holder, 4th in Munich Oly 5K final). Ryun had decent
> 400 speed (45 seconds) but neither one would be considered a sprinter by any
> stretch of the imagination. Nowadays, most world-class "distance" runners
> (as in the Marathon) are also world-class in the 5K-10K and in some cases
> the 1500 meters (Example-current Marathon WR H
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 2:12 PM, mlinhardt@netzero.com <
> mlinhardt@netzero.com> wrote:
>
>> As a marathoner(and longer) 5K(or miler) guys are not distance runners.
>>
>> I just wanted a list of fast americans so I could look at birthplace and
>> ESPN was the 1st site I found.
>>
>> Has there been a 40 comparison between recruits of the SEC and recruits of
>> the Big Ten?  I would stack tOSU 85 scholarship football players up against
>> any other school and I bet their 40 times would be the same or within
>> spitting distance.
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: hakirsch@aol.com
>>
>> Hard to believe the distance runners were considered amongst the
>> speediest.  But even if being from the south doesn't make you fast ,the SEC
>> has been one of the faster conferences while the BT has been one of the
>> slower ones. Hard to dispute. Yes I know woody has been out of coaching for
>> 30 years and BO 20 but somehow their legacies live on
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "mlinhardt@netzero.com" <mlinhardt@netzero.com>
>>
>> I despise the SEC speed comment.  Being from the south does not make you
>> fast and being from the north does not make you slow.
>>
>> Best American Runners Ever
>> http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=list/bestusrunners
>>
>> 10. Lee Evans -- California
>> 9. Renaldo Nehemiah -- New Jersey
>> 8. Steve Prefontaine -- Oregon
>> 7. Maurice Greene -- Kansas
>> 6. Michael Johnson -- Texas
>> 5. Bob Hayes -- Florida
>> 4. Jim Ryun -- Kansas
>> 3. Jesse Owens -- Alabama
>> 2. Carl Lewis -- Alabama
>> 1. Edwin Moses -- Ohio
>>
>> Pac 10 - 2
>> Big 12 - 3
>> SEC - 3
>> Big East - 1
>> Big Ten - 1
>>
>> The irony is that #1 is from the north and went to a southern college
>> while #3 is from the south but is inseparably linked to tOSU.
>>
>> The Cats are not in the same class of speed as any school who is a 4 and
>> 5-star destination.  One of the things that make someone highly ranked is
>> that they are blazing fast.
>>
>> A side note:  In Ironman, Canadians disproportionally qualify for
>> Kona(world championships) even though their bike training season is among
>> the shortest.  You would think the southerners(florida/california) would
>> dominate, but this is not the case.  Beyond good genetics, desire and
>> dedication make you successful.
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
>> To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
>> Cc:
>> Subject: [NU Sports] No predictions?
>> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 05:02:35 -0500
>>
>> There has been a notable lack of predictions for the game.  I suspect your
>> hearts won't let your heads admit that we will probably go down and go
>> down
>> hard.  I suspect we won't get within twenty points of Auburn.  Yes, they
>> lost five games, but three of them were to highly ranked LSU and Alabama
>> by
>> seven points or less.  They suffered defeats at the hands of a not-shabby
>> Arkansas, an always formidable Georgia, and bowl-bound Kentucky.
>>  Meanwhile,
>> we lost to Syracuse and Minnesota and struggled with the likes of Eastern
>> Michigan and Miami of Ohio.  The Cats are not in the SEC class of speed
>> and
>> athleticism.  Maybe Auburn will take us too lightly, and we'll get some
>> breaks, or maybe the Cats will play the greatest game of their lives and
>> gain the team's biggest victory since Notre Dame in '95.  I just don't
>> think
>> it will happen.  Lord!  I hope I am wrong.  If so, I will gorge myself on
>> crow, deep-fried, feathers and all, top it off with a dessert of humble
>> pie,
>> and enjoy the whole culinary experience.  However, I suspect I will be
>> dining on pork and sauerkraut again this New Year's Day.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 15:30:33 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Dec 29 15:30:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Best Big Ten bowl games this decade ...
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We?ll save second-annual ?40 days of football? retrospective looking back at the 2000s (I HATE the word ?oughts?) for a countdown into the fall season with the usual look back at the coaches, players, games and teams of the decade in Big Ten football.

But as we prepare to start the Big Ten bowl season tonight, I thought we could get a quick taste of list-o-mania by looking back at the top 10 bowl games for the Big Ten in the 2000s (since those aren?t eligible for the ?greatest games? countdown). There have been some dandies ? wins and losses for the league ? in the past 10 years. And while we could still add another, I?m not counting on the Canes/Badgers or Cyclones/Gophers to crack this list. Well, maybe the Champs Bowl could perhaps do it.

So without further delay, enjoy, reminisce and debate the best bowl games of the 2000s!

HONORABLE MENTION ? Five that just missed the list!
* 2004 MUSIC CITY BOWL: Minnesota 20, Alabama 16 ? Gotta be honest, I don?t really remember this game, but I had to do a doubletake at the score! Plus, it?s nice to get one from our old Nashville bowl on the list. I do remember the 2004 Gopher team, though, with the fast start and the backfield of future NFL stars Marion Barber and Laurence Maroney. Hard to think they didn?t get a better bowl, but beating Bama is always a good way to end the season.

* 2007 MOTOR CITY BOWL: Purdue 51, Central Michigan 48 ? The entry from Detroit was a close call between this one and our back-and-forth game in 2003, but at least here the Big Ten team won ? at the final gun no less ? and Curtis Painter had a magnificent day.

* 2003 SUN BOWL: Minnesota 31, Oregon 30 ? Another Gopher win on the list (thankfully for them, bowl games were not played in November) and another Big Ten win to keep NU?s shootout loss to UCLA off the list. Another great Gopher back, Thomas Tapeh, combined with Maroney to lead the Gophers to a last-minute win here.

* 2008 ALAMO BOWL: Missouri 30, Northwestern 23 (OT) ? The first of many overtime games on the list, and the first league loss. Northwestern came in big underdogs to a Mizzou team that fell from the Big XII title game to San Antonio. As we all remember, the Cats looked good in this game, especially when Corey Wootton was healthy. But Chase Daniels and Jeremy Maclin turned it up at the end to help the Tigers escape ? barely. You could also add in a few other Alamo close-losses for the league here, including Iowa?s 2006 near-colossal upset of Texas, 24-26 or the controversial Michigan loss to Nebraska in 2005, 28-32.

* 2009 FIESTA BOWL: Texas 24, Ohio State 21 ? The only game from 2009 on the list was another near miss for the league, as the Bucks looked like they would finally break their B(C)S drought with an upset of title game-shoulda been Texas until that final drive.

Now to the ten best ...

10) 2000 OUTBACK BOWL: Georgia 28, Purdue 25 (OT)
* Oddly, this was the first of two OT games the Boilers and Bulldogs would play in Florida bowl games this decade, and Georgia got the better of Purdue in both. But this one hurt the most, as Drew Brees and Purdue jumped out to a 25-0 lead before blowing it all. Too bad, because it was the only blemish on what was an amazing New Year?s Day 2000 for the Big Ten (with two games later on this list and Wisconsin?s Rose Bowl win over Stanford in a 17-9 game that will not go down in anyone?s book of classics, but a win?s a win). Exciting but heartbreaking, the Boilers would bounce back to make it to Pasadena behind Brees the following year.

9) 2002 ALAMO BOWL: Wisconsin 31, Colorado 28 (OT)
* The Buffs came in ranked #13 in the B(C)S after falling in the Big XII title game to Oklahoma and Gary Barnett?s team was a huge favorite, but the Badgers used a surprising air attack behind Brooks Bollinger to come from behind and surprise CU in overtime. Was in the beginning of the end for Barnett in Boulder?

8) 2004 FIESTA BOWL: Ohio State 35, Kansas State 28
* USC owned the Roses in the 2000s, LSU owned the Sugar and the Buckeyes owned the Fiesta. (Remember that the Florida title game was not the official Fiesta Bowl that year.) The Bucks were 3-1 in their home away from home in the 2000s, and that loss was a near-miss against heavily favored Texas. One of those games is later on the list, another was an always-satisfying smackdown of Notre Dame in the B(C)S but this one was an overlooked entertaining match between #7 OSU and #8 K-State, coming off their Big XII title game upset of Oklahoma. The Bucks jumped on the distracted Cats 21-0 behind future Super Bowl MVP Santonio Holmes, but Kansas State had future pro talent as well in Darren Sproles and cut the deficit to 7 a couple times and outgained OSU before falling short.

7) 2005 ROSE BOWL: Texas 38, Michigan 37
* This is the highest I put a league loss on the list, but you could easily make a claim for this game to top 5 status. The kicker is that this game probably should have never happened. With Southern Cal set to head to the title game in Miami, the Tournament of Roses was expected to welcome back long-lost native sons the Cal Golden Bears to Pasadena on New Year?s Day. But some late politicking (whining) by Mack Brown somehow got the voters to vault the Horns ahead of Cal and get them in the B(C)S top four, which meant they were automatically in. Fortunately for fans, what resulted was a classic game. After a tie at the half, the Wolverines jumped out to a 31-21 lead entering the fourth quarter. What fans saw next was an early peek at what SC would discover in the following year?s Rose Bowl ? the fourth quarter belonged to Vince Young. Michigan settled for a field goal with just under 2:00 left to take the lead, but the Texas QB drove the Horns down
 the field for a game-winning kick as time expired in one of the best Granddaddys of them all.

6) 2006 ORANGE BOWL: Penn State 26, Florida State 23 (3OT)
* Another odd pairing that resulted in one heck of a game. The Nittany Lions were the Big Ten champs, but the title game was in Pasadena that year and #3 PSU came up a last-second score to Michigan short of being unbeaten. As for Florida State, they were 7-4 and backed in after pulling an upset in the ACC title game. But the game still drew interest for matching up legendary coaches Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden in the Noles? home state. And to be honest, that was about as interesting as the game for most of regulation. It was a sloppy slugfest, ending in a 16-16 tie. But long after the coaches? bedtimes, things got interesting in the extra sessions, with missed kicks, wild touchdowns and by the time the third overtime was finished, Penn State emerged with a 26-23 win.

5) 2000 CITRUS BOWL: Michigan State 37, Florida 34
* The first game of New Year?s Day 2000 was Drew Brees and Purdue?s collapse to Georgia. In the second game, the Big Ten struck back behind an unlikely coach and hero. Nick Saban (surprise surprise) bolted East Lansing after a 9-2 regular season, leaving Bobby Williams in charge. With Sparty edged out of a B(C)S bowl by nemesis Michigan (who MSU had beaten on the field), it was off to face #10 Florida and Steve Spurrier in Orlando in what would become a classic game. When the final kick went through the uprights, the Green and White emerged with perhaps their biggest win of the decade, defeating the Mighty Gators 37-34.

4) 2005 CITRUS BOWL: Iowa 30, Louisiana State 25
* This was another of those co-championship years for Kirk Ferentz and Iowa, as the 9-2 Hawkeyes headed to Orlando to face future #1 draft pick JaMarcus Russell, Slick Nick Saban and the 9-2 LSU Tigers. The game itself isn?t too memorable, as Iowa nearly blew a 24-12 fourth quarter lead and trailed 25-24 with one play left. What everyone does remember is Drew Tate?s 50+ yard touchdown heave as time expired to give Hawkeye nation reason to go nuts and give the Big Ten a big win over the SEC in Orlando ? the first of four straight from 2005-2008.

3) 2008 CITRUS BOWL: Michigan 41, Florida 35
* Perhaps the most satisfying win on the list is this one. Michigan came into the game at 8-4, following a season that began with a #5 ranking and title aspirations for the slew of seniors who returned to Ann Arbor. But an opening day loss to Appalachain State and a butt-kicking by Oregon later saw the Wolverines at 0-2. They rallied for 8 straight wins before falling to Wisconsin and Ohio State. They watched Illinois head off to Pasadena, Ohio State sneak into the title game and had to head to Florida to face the defending national champion Gators, who were huge favorites. But all the Tebow magic and Gator-thuggery were just hype as the Maize and Blue were (FINALLY!) aggressive on defense and knocked Tebow around all day while overcoming Mike Hart?s many fumbles to squeak out a game they dominated. It was Lloyd Carr?s final game as Michigan coach and a reminder to Michigan?s friens in Columbus that if you play your game and forget all the hype,
 you can take it to an SEC team and smack them in the mouth with Big Ten football ? tough running and hard-hitting defense.

2) 2000 ORANGE BOWL: Michigan 35, Alabama 34 (OT)
* This game was the magnificent nightcap on New Year?s Day 2000 ? Wisconsin had won the Rose Bowl, MSU had shut up the Mighty Gators and Purdue had let a 25-0 lead slip away against Georgia. Now it was time for the 10-2 SEC champion Crimson Tide to face the 9-2 Wolverines, who snuck in ahead of an MSU team they had lost to earlier. It was a great back-and-forth game and went into an extra session where Michigan, led by a kid named Tom Brady, defeated the Tide by the slimmest of margins ? a missed extra point - capping a wild evening and another Big Ten victory.

1) 2003 FIESTA BOWL: Ohio State 31, Miami 24 (2OT)
* What else could be #1? This game had it all! Controversy, David vs. Goliath, overtime, more overtime and the league?s only national championship of the decade. The ?Luckeyes? entered the game 13-0 but heavy underdogs after several close escapes during the season. The #1 Miami Hurricanes came in 12-0 and all but certain to claim their second straight national title (many thought it should have been three in a row, as they were left out of the 2001 title game against Oklahoma by the computers who put FSU in the game despite the Noles losing to the Canes). Yes, the game is remembered for the late flag in overtime that kept the Buckeyes alive. That?s a shame, though, because there were several close calls that had gone Miami?s way earlier and it overshadowed what really was a dominant performance by the Buckeyes. Ohio State dominated the game with their ?slow and steady? turtle style against Miami?s talent-rich racing hare. The Canes, with
 a roster rich in future NFL stars, made some great plays to get back into the game at the end, but OSU took control of the game in the second quarter with their defense and Craig Krenzel guided OSU to the victory. It was a classic game, a classic upset and ranks right up there with the Boise State/Oklahoma Fiesta Bowl and USC/Texas title game as the truly great college football bowl games of the decade.

Let?s hope New Year?s Day 2010 is as good to the Big Ten as New Year?s Day 2000, only this time, let?s win the Outback Bowl! Happy Bowling!

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
- SjT

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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


      

From neilkaplan at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 15:41:27 2009
From: neilkaplan at yahoo.com (Neil Kaplan)
Date: Tue Dec 29 15:41:34 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] ATT U-verse question
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Does anyone on the list have ATT U-verse?

they just installed fiber into my neighborhood and I am thinking of switching from Directv.  Directv has all of the B10 network overflow channels and I don't want to lose them- does anyone know if ATT has the same overflow HD capability?

From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Tue Dec 29 15:48:59 2009
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec 29 15:49:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] weather report
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I just got back from the Champs bowl battle of the bands in downtown Winter 
 Park, Wisconsin has a great band, Miami is small but good. It was 60 and 
sunny  here at noon and it looks like about the same for Friday, just 
beautiful if a  little cool for Florida. Rain should blow through New Years eve and 
be gone by  morning.  It will be 50 and pretty cold at the citrus bowl 
tonight, all in  all a daytime game will be more comfortable.
From jintsjason at me.com  Tue Dec 29 16:17:07 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Tue Dec 29 16:17:18 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] ATT U-verse question
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I have both. I use U-Verse for internet only cause it's the fastest and cheapest. I've never had a problem with DirecTv and because they have exclusive rights to NFL Sunday Ticket, I'll never give it up. That said, they seem to have ten channels free beyond the initial Big Ten Network HD channel which usually means it is reserved for overflow (good luck getting an answer. I have heard the picture quality is excellent (better than DirecTv), they have more HD channels and a MUCH better DVR that comes standard.

Also, I found this on the Big Ten Network page:
Q: What are "Extra Football Game Channels?"

A: "Extra Football Game Channels" are part-time channels that the Big Ten Network provides to cable, satellite and telco systems which allow the network to offer multiple football games simultaneously to viewers. Due to the nature of how the Big Ten schedules football games on Saturdays, the Big Ten Network often must televise several games at once. 

In order to satisfy fans of all schools, the network has offered all of its affiliates the opportunity to make these "Extra Football Game Channels" available to their subscribers. However, they are only available for Big Ten Network programming on football Saturdays.

Q: Do I get "Extra Football Game Channels?"

A: The majority of our cable, satellite and telco affiliates in the eight Big Ten states carry our ""Extra Football Game Channels,"" while many outside the Big Ten region are continuing to make these channels available. The decision whether to carry "Extra Football Game Channels" is made by your cable company's local office. Our GameFinder feature is updated weekly during the football season so you can determine if your local system offers "Extra Football Game Channels," and if so, where to find them in your channel lineup. If you do not get these channels, you can call your local cable office to let them know you are interested.

I'd say ask, but AT&T service reps are not the most informed on niche questions.

Happy New Year!


Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



On Dec 29, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Neil Kaplan wrote:

> Does anyone on the list have ATT U-verse?
> 
> they just installed fiber into my neighborhood and I am thinking of switching from Directv.  Directv has all of the B10 network overflow channels and I don't want to lose them- does anyone know if ATT has the same overflow HD capability?
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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Dec 29 17:11:36 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec 29 17:11:50 2009
Subject: Fw: [NU Sports] Best Big Ten bowl games this decade ...
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Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 22:29:51 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Best Big Ten bowl games this decade ...

Steve

Great re cap.  Had forgotten a few of them.

  On a side note the 2000 michigan/NU game was ranked 10th best game of the decade for all games either by SI or ESPN. Of course #1 was the OK/BSU Fiesta Bowl

Harry
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From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:30:33 
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Subject: [NU Sports] Best Big Ten bowl games this decade ...

We?ll save second-annual ?40 days of football? retrospective looking back at the 2000s (I HATE the word ?oughts?) for a countdown into the fall season with the usual look back at the coaches, players, games and teams of the decade in Big Ten football.

But as we prepare to start the Big Ten bowl season tonight, I thought we could get a quick taste of list-o-mania by looking back at the top 10 bowl games for the Big Ten in the 2000s (since those aren?t eligible for the ?greatest games? countdown). There have been some dandies ? wins and losses for the league ? in the past 10 years. And while we could still add another, I?m not counting on the Canes/Badgers or Cyclones/Gophers to crack this list. Well, maybe the Champs Bowl could perhaps do it.

So without further delay, enjoy, reminisce and debate the best bowl games of the 2000s!

HONORABLE MENTION ? Five that just missed the list!
* 2004 MUSIC CITY BOWL: Minnesota 20, Alabama 16 ? Gotta be honest, I don?t really remember this game, but I had to do a doubletake at the score! Plus, it?s nice to get one from our old Nashville bowl on the list. I do remember the 2004 Gopher team, though, with the fast start and the backfield of future NFL stars Marion Barber and Laurence Maroney. Hard to think they didn?t get a better bowl, but beating Bama is always a good way to end the season.

* 2007 MOTOR CITY BOWL: Purdue 51, Central Michigan 48 ? The entry from Detroit was a close call between this one and our back-and-forth game in 2003, but at least here the Big Ten team won ? at the final gun no less ? and Curtis Painter had a magnificent day.

* 2003 SUN BOWL: Minnesota 31, Oregon 30 ? Another Gopher win on the list (thankfully for them, bowl games were not played in November) and another Big Ten win to keep NU?s shootout loss to UCLA off the list. Another great Gopher back, Thomas Tapeh, combined with Maroney to lead the Gophers to a last-minute win here.

* 2008 ALAMO BOWL: Missouri 30, Northwestern 23 (OT) ? The first of many overtime games on the list, and the first league loss. Northwestern came in big underdogs to a Mizzou team that fell from the Big XII title game to San Antonio. As we all remember, the Cats looked good in this game, especially when Corey Wootton was healthy. But Chase Daniels and Jeremy Maclin turned it up at the end to help the Tigers escape ? barely. You could also add in a few other Alamo close-losses for the league here, including Iowa?s 2006 near-colossal upset of Texas, 24-26 or the controversial Michigan loss to Nebraska in 2005, 28-32.

* 2009 FIESTA BOWL: Texas 24, Ohio State 21 ? The only game from 2009 on the list was another near miss for the league, as the Bucks looked like they would finally break their B(C)S drought with an upset of title game-shoulda been Texas until that final drive.

Now to the ten best ...

10) 2000 OUTBACK BOWL: Georgia 28, Purdue 25 (OT)
* Oddly, this was the first of two OT games the Boilers and Bulldogs would play in Florida bowl games this decade, and Georgia got the better of Purdue in both. But this one hurt the most, as Drew Brees and Purdue jumped out to a 25-0 lead before blowing it all. Too bad, because it was the only blemish on what was an amazing New Year?s Day 2000 for the Big Ten (with two games later on this list and Wisconsin?s Rose Bowl win over Stanford in a 17-9 game that will not go down in anyone?s book of classics, but a win?s a win). Exciting but heartbreaking, the Boilers would bounce back to make it to Pasadena behind Brees the following year.

9) 2002 ALAMO BOWL: Wisconsin 31, Colorado 28 (OT)
* The Buffs came in ranked #13 in the B(C)S after falling in the Big XII title game to Oklahoma and Gary Barnett?s team was a huge favorite, but the Badgers used a surprising air attack behind Brooks Bollinger to come from behind and surprise CU in overtime. Was in the beginning of the end for Barnett in Boulder?

8) 2004 FIESTA BOWL: Ohio State 35, Kansas State 28
* USC owned the Roses in the 2000s, LSU owned the Sugar and the Buckeyes owned the Fiesta. (Remember that the Florida title game was not the official Fiesta Bowl that year.) The Bucks were 3-1 in their home away from home in the 2000s, and that loss was a near-miss against heavily favored Texas. One of those games is later on the list, another was an always-satisfying smackdown of Notre Dame in the B(C)S but this one was an overlooked entertaining match between #7 OSU and #8 K-State, coming off their Big XII title game upset of Oklahoma. The Bucks jumped on the distracted Cats 21-0 behind future Super Bowl MVP Santonio Holmes, but Kansas State had future pro talent as well in Darren Sproles and cut the deficit to 7 a couple times and outgained OSU before falling short.

7) 2005 ROSE BOWL: Texas 38, Michigan 37
* This is the highest I put a league loss on the list, but you could easily make a claim for this game to top 5 status. The kicker is that this game probably should have never happened. With Southern Cal set to head to the title game in Miami, the Tournament of Roses was expected to welcome back long-lost native sons the Cal Golden Bears to Pasadena on New Year?s Day. But some late politicking (whining) by Mack Brown somehow got the voters to vault the Horns ahead of Cal and get them in the B(C)S top four, which meant they were automatically in. Fortunately for fans, what resulted was a classic game. After a tie at the half, the Wolverines jumped out to a 31-21 lead entering the fourth quarter. What fans saw next was an early peek at what SC would discover in the following year?s Rose Bowl ? the fourth quarter belonged to Vince Young. Michigan settled for a field goal with just under 2:00 left to take the lead, but the Texas QB drove the Horns down
 the field for a game-winning kick as time expired in one of the best Granddaddys of them all.

6) 2006 ORANGE BOWL: Penn State 26, Florida State 23 (3OT)
* Another odd pairing that resulted in one heck of a game. The Nittany Lions were the Big Ten champs, but the title game was in Pasadena that year and #3 PSU came up a last-second score to Michigan short of being unbeaten. As for Florida State, they were 7-4 and backed in after pulling an upset in the ACC title game. But the game still drew interest for matching up legendary coaches Joe Paterno and Bobby Bowden in the Noles? home state. And to be honest, that was about as interesting as the game for most of regulation. It was a sloppy slugfest, ending in a 16-16 tie. But long after the coaches? bedtimes, things got interesting in the extra sessions, with missed kicks, wild touchdowns and by the time the third overtime was finished, Penn State emerged with a 26-23 win.

5) 2000 CITRUS BOWL: Michigan State 37, Florida 34
* The first game of New Year?s Day 2000 was Drew Brees and Purdue?s collapse to Georgia. In the second game, the Big Ten struck back behind an unlikely coach and hero. Nick Saban (surprise surprise) bolted East Lansing after a 9-2 regular season, leaving Bobby Williams in charge. With Sparty edged out of a B(C)S bowl by nemesis Michigan (who MSU had beaten on the field), it was off to face #10 Florida and Steve Spurrier in Orlando in what would become a classic game. When the final kick went through the uprights, the Green and White emerged with perhaps their biggest win of the decade, defeating the Mighty Gators 37-34.

4) 2005 CITRUS BOWL: Iowa 30, Louisiana State 25
* This was another of those co-championship years for Kirk Ferentz and Iowa, as the 9-2 Hawkeyes headed to Orlando to face future #1 draft pick JaMarcus Russell, Slick Nick Saban and the 9-2 LSU Tigers. The game itself isn?t too memorable, as Iowa nearly blew a 24-12 fourth quarter lead and trailed 25-24 with one play left. What everyone does remember is Drew Tate?s 50+ yard touchdown heave as time expired to give Hawkeye nation reason to go nuts and give the Big Ten a big win over the SEC in Orlando ? the first of four straight from 2005-2008.

3) 2008 CITRUS BOWL: Michigan 41, Florida 35
* Perhaps the most satisfying win on the list is this one. Michigan came into the game at 8-4, following a season that began with a #5 ranking and title aspirations for the slew of seniors who returned to Ann Arbor. But an opening day loss to Appalachain State and a butt-kicking by Oregon later saw the Wolverines at 0-2. They rallied for 8 straight wins before falling to Wisconsin and Ohio State. They watched Illinois head off to Pasadena, Ohio State sneak into the title game and had to head to Florida to face the defending national champion Gators, who were huge favorites. But all the Tebow magic and Gator-thuggery were just hype as the Maize and Blue were (FINALLY!) aggressive on defense and knocked Tebow around all day while overcoming Mike Hart?s many fumbles to squeak out a game they dominated. It was Lloyd Carr?s final game as Michigan coach and a reminder to Michigan?s friens in Columbus that if you play your game and forget all the hype,
 you can take it to an SEC team and smack them in the mouth with Big Ten football ? tough running and hard-hitting defense.

2) 2000 ORANGE BOWL: Michigan 35, Alabama 34 (OT)
* This game was the magnificent nightcap on New Year?s Day 2000 ? Wisconsin had won the Rose Bowl, MSU had shut up the Mighty Gators and Purdue had let a 25-0 lead slip away against Georgia. Now it was time for the 10-2 SEC champion Crimson Tide to face the 9-2 Wolverines, who snuck in ahead of an MSU team they had lost to earlier. It was a great back-and-forth game and went into an extra session where Michigan, led by a kid named Tom Brady, defeated the Tide by the slimmest of margins ? a missed extra point - capping a wild evening and another Big Ten victory.

1) 2003 FIESTA BOWL: Ohio State 31, Miami 24 (2OT)
* What else could be #1? This game had it all! Controversy, David vs. Goliath, overtime, more overtime and the league?s only national championship of the decade. The ?Luckeyes? entered the game 13-0 but heavy underdogs after several close escapes during the season. The #1 Miami Hurricanes came in 12-0 and all but certain to claim their second straight national title (many thought it should have been three in a row, as they were left out of the 2001 title game against Oklahoma by the computers who put FSU in the game despite the Noles losing to the Canes). Yes, the game is remembered for the late flag in overtime that kept the Buckeyes alive. That?s a shame, though, because there were several close calls that had gone Miami?s way earlier and it overshadowed what really was a dominant performance by the Buckeyes. Ohio State dominated the game with their ?slow and steady? turtle style against Miami?s talent-rich racing hare. The Canes, with
 a roster rich in future NFL stars, made some great plays to get back into the game at the end, but OSU took control of the game in the second quarter with their defense and Craig Krenzel guided OSU to the victory. It was a classic game, a classic upset and ranks right up there with the Boise State/Oklahoma Fiesta Bowl and USC/Texas title game as the truly great college football bowl games of the decade.

Let?s hope New Year?s Day 2010 is as good to the Big Ten as New Year?s Day 2000, only this time, let?s win the Outback Bowl! Happy Bowling!

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
- SjT

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 19:14:56 2009
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Dec 29 19:15:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] ATT U-verse question
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I was looking into U-Verse when it came out and they say they offer all of
the BTN overflow channels.  It's also a much better deal than most cable
operators (like Comcast here), especially when coupled with internet
service.  If you go to the BTN website they have a gamefinder and it usually
shows the AT&T U-Verse overflow channels, so you can check there.


Jonathan


On Dec 29, 2009 4:17 PM, "Jason Singer" <jintsjason@me.com> wrote:

I have both. I use U-Verse for internet only cause it's the fastest and
cheapest. I've never had a problem with DirecTv and because they have
exclusive rights to NFL Sunday Ticket, I'll never give it up. That said,
they seem to have ten channels free beyond the initial Big Ten Network HD
channel which usually means it is reserved for overflow (good luck getting
an answer. I have heard the picture quality is excellent (better than
DirecTv), they have more HD channels and a MUCH better DVR that comes
standard.

Also, I found this on the Big Ten Network page:
Q: What are "Extra Football Game Channels?"

A: "Extra Football Game Channels" are part-time channels that the Big Ten
Network provides to cable, satellite and telco systems which allow the
network to offer multiple football games simultaneously to viewers. Due to
the nature of how the Big Ten schedules football games on Saturdays, the Big
Ten Network often must televise several games at once.

In order to satisfy fans of all schools, the network has offered all of its
affiliates the opportunity to make these "Extra Football Game Channels"
available to their subscribers. However, they are only available for Big Ten
Network programming on football Saturdays.

Q: Do I get "Extra Football Game Channels?"

A: The majority of our cable, satellite and telco affiliates in the eight
Big Ten states carry our ""Extra Football Game Channels,"" while many
outside the Big Ten region are continuing to make these channels available.
The decision whether to carry "Extra Football Game Channels" is made by your
cable company's local office. Our GameFinder feature is updated weekly
during the football season so you can determine if your local system offers
"Extra Football Game Channels," and if so, where to find them in your
channel lineup. If you do not get these channels, you can call your local
cable office to let them know you are interested.

I'd say ask, but AT&T service reps are not the most informed on niche
questions.

Happy New Year!


Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com

On Dec 29, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Neil Kaplan wrote: > Does anyone on the list
have ATT U-verse? > >...
From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 19:24:53 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Dec 29 19:25:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wisconsin
Message-ID: <830645.65102.qm@web36807.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Wow. The Badgers have their hands full with Miami so far. I am grateful we didn't get matched against the Hurricanes.

Go Cats!
Jim


      

From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 19:36:10 2009
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Tue Dec 29 19:36:29 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bowl Watching in Philadelphia?
Message-ID: <814794.203.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

As I won't be getting to the game this year, I'm wondering if there is anyone in my new city that will be watching somewhere?  It would be much more fun to cheer with fellow listers. Please feel free to contact me off list.

GO 'CATS!

Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey@yahoo.com


      

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 20:18:11 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Dec 29 20:18:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wisconsin
Message-ID: <136658.36167.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I spoke too soon. Miami's speed was intimidating in the first 3 minutes, but Wisconsin is hanging in. 

Jim


      

From jintsjason at me.com  Tue Dec 29 20:50:00 2009
From: jintsjason at me.com (Jason Singer)
Date: Tue Dec 29 20:50:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Los Angeles Viewing Party
Message-ID: <949EC423-EA80-4C90-9637-0DE17D6CB779@me.com>

The official Party is at Rush Street in Culver CIty, BUT...

I'm having one at my house from the kickoff of the Outback until the end of the Rose. Lots of food, lots of booze, coffee or other beverages, two big screens, an awesome puppy, and comfy seating.

102 N Hayworth Ave. #3 (1block west of Fairfax, 1 block south of Beverly)
Los Angeles, CA 90048
310-903-9602

Hope to see you! And a very Happy New Year to all on this list!!

Jason Singer
jason@jasonsinger.com



From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 20:51:38 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Dec 29 20:51:44 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wisconsin
In-Reply-To: <136658.36167.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <754608.49310.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The first half should be required viewing for all Big Ten coaches, especially those playing SEC or Florida teams.

You could almost hear John Saunders and the Mimbo cackling with glee on that opening play going right off their ABC scripts for New Year's Day -- the dominant Florida speed catches the flat-footed midwesterners off guard. Bwahhahaha!

But Wisconsin didn't panic and stuck with their game plan - smart play calling with mixing in 1st down passes, aggressive defense and a healthy dose of shoving the ball down their throat to control the clock.

There's still a half to go and anything can happen (Wisconsin really needs to come out and score on this first drive after the half), but it really is a lesson to Big Ten coaches to stick with what works, stick with sound football and don't get caught up in the speed hype. It's not a track meet - it's a football game. Play as a team, play smart and play 60 minutes. That's Northwestern football!

Go Big Ten!!!
GO CATS!!!
- SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NU Sports] Wisconsin
> To: "Northwestern Wildcats" <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 7:18 PM
> I spoke too soon. Miami's speed was
> intimidating in the first 3 minutes, but Wisconsin is
> hanging in. 
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
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From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Tue Dec 29 20:56:14 2009
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec 29 20:56:28 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Wisconsin
Message-ID: <f336.35d7efac.386c1b4e@aol.com>

Wisconsin fans are not worried about speed, they are the cow.
 
    _Scientists  tell us that the fastest animal on earth, with a top speed 
of 120  feet per second, is a cow that has been dropped out of a  
helicopter._ 
(http://thinkexist.com/quotation/scientists_tell_us_that_the_fastest_animal_on/154255.html) ?   
_Dave Barry  _ (http://thinkexist.com/quotes/dave_barry/) 
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Dec 29 22:10:11 2009
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Dec 29 22:11:05 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Thursday Night Dinner, Tailgate, etc.
Message-ID: <d1e.53c95ebe.386c2ca3@aol.com>

Yes we should figure out who is coming, I will wear my lister sweat shirt  
and hang out by the door at 24 with some name tags, I should be there by 
8:30  but who knows about traffic and parking. My cell is 407-461-5537, at this 
time I  have a couple extra tailgate and lower box tickets (third row), if 
anybody is  interested
From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 30 05:07:42 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed Dec 30 05:07:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl Prediction
Message-ID: <414127.65152.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I expect we will win the Outback Bowl. The Auburn Tigers are a good team (nearly every team in the SEC is) and they have talent, but we have momentum. We finished the season a much better team than when it started, that's what every coach wants. We've had time to rest and we have our best defensive starters back for the game. 

Northwestern:    31
Auburn:             30

Our defense stops their last-minute drive attempting to get into field goal range. 

Happy NU Year!
Jim


      

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Dec 30 06:19:50 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed Dec 30 06:19:43 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl Prediction
In-Reply-To: <414127.65152.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <414127.65152.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601ca894a$62c42f50$284c8df0$@com>

It would be great if one of our injured d-backs comes back with a big INT at
the end of the game.

 

But if we play the way we did to beat Iowa and Wiscy.. This is a done deal.

 

And how about the Badgrrrs win last night? We actually beat those guys?

 

rsl

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Computer Applications & Support Associates

-------------------- Also ----------------------

Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball

Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]

Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

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Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)

==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

Congress '06

   Obama '08

      Depression '10????

 

Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!

================================================

 

From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 6:08 AM
To: Northwestern Wildcats
Subject: [NU Sports] Outback Bowl Prediction

 

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I expect we will win the Outback Bowl. The Auburn Tigers are a good team
(nearly every team in the SEC is) and they have talent, but we have
momentum. We finished the season a much better team than when it started,
that's what every coach wants. We've had time to rest and we have our best
defensive starters back for the game.

Northwestern:    31
Auburn:             30

Our defense stops their last-minute drive attempting to get into field goal
range.

Happy NU Year!
Jim


     

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Virus Database (VPS): 091227-1, 12/27/2009
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 30 20:43:21 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed Dec 30 20:43:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. Illinois
Message-ID: <58306.27717.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I guess most list members are in Tampa having a good time. I'm in a frigid classroom in Korea watching ESPN for score updates. With less than 2 minutes to go in the first half, it appears that we are at least hanging with Illinois.

Go? Cats!
Jim



      

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 30 20:46:52 2009
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Wed Dec 30 20:47:10 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. Illinois
In-Reply-To: <58306.27717.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <58306.27717.qm@web36805.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <307836.63645.qm@web36803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

We lead by 9 at the half. This is symbolic of the SjT curse. Common Cats!!!!!

Northwestern: 42
Illinois: 33



----- Original Message ----
From: Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com>
To: Northwestern Wildcats <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Thu, December 31, 2009 11:43:21 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] NU vs. Illinois

I guess most list members are in Tampa having a good time. I'm in a frigid classroom in Korea watching ESPN for score updates. With less than 2 minutes to go in the first half, it appears that we are at least hanging with Illinois.

Go? Cats!
Jim



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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Dec 30 20:55:52 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Wed Dec 30 20:55:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Bombs Away - Cats up by 9 on 3 point shooting
Message-ID: <000d01ca89c4$c4f38750$4eda95f0$@com>

Quite a game, even if the BTN Color guy doesn't really know how the
Princeton/NU offense really works. (The goal is the back door cut, not the 3
point bombs)

 

But IL's game is all inside and unless they come out shooting better..

 

rsl 

 

 

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.

Computer Applications & Support Associates

-------------------- Also ----------------------

Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball

Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]

Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968

Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)

==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

Congress '06

   Obama '08

      Depression '10????

 

Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!

================================================

 

From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Dec 30 22:35:11 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Dec 30 22:35:36 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1
References: <000d01ca89c4$c4f38750$4eda95f0$@com>
Message-ID: <4A904CEE50FD4543842F60FD3C13962C@DennisMachine>

We played pretty well tonight.  Shurna was very good, and Thompson was his 
usual solid self.  Crawford is the real deal and may be outstanding once he 
shakes off froshitis.  Add the traditional 1 under the "L" column for an NU 
Big Ten opener.  We lost because Illinois has a center, and we don't.  We 
could have a lot of these come-up-short type games this season and will win 
a few of them. 

From hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Dec 30 23:00:13 2009
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Dec 30 23:00:46 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Thursday Night Dinner, Tailgate, etc.
Message-ID: <690700470-1262235639-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1362371117-@bda198.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Saw a few Wildcat fans on the plane from atlanta.  But in tampa mostly Tiger fans. To show good support we ate at Outback Steakhouse and ran into more Tiger fans. We made sure the manager understand why we chose there

Weather is supposed to be iffy.  

Harry
------Original Message------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
Sender: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Thursday Night Dinner, Tailgate, etc.
Sent: Dec 29, 2009 11:10 PM

Yes we should figure out who is coming, I will wear my lister sweat shirt  
and hang out by the door at 24 with some name tags, I should be there by 
8:30  but who knows about traffic and parking. My cell is 407-461-5537, at this 
time I  have a couple extra tailgate and lower box tickets (third row), if 
anybody is  interested
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From sportsbiz at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 23:07:23 2009
From: sportsbiz at gmail.com (Sportsbiz)
Date: Wed Dec 30 23:07:54 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] ATT U-verse question
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270912291714v45d5880bh972f6cada46f23cd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <390977.75882.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<901930.8813.qm@web54105.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<7FE4976E-F41C-46BC-8FB1-C966453F407A@me.com>
	<fcb3ee270912291714v45d5880bh972f6cada46f23cd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <223fce250912302107u6d294477w664c368d6a088838@mail.gmail.com>

How does ATT's internet service compare to cable's.  I dropped my local
cable in favor of DirecTv several years ago primarily to get better HD
service and assure myself the Big Ten Network.  Now that ATT is in town, I'm
wondering if I still need the cable for anything.  I'm considering switching
over both internet and TV to U-Verse if the internet is close enough to
cable and I can be sure I'll get Big Ten Network in all its glory.

Mark S. Ament
sportsbiz@gmail.com
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On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Jonathan Hodges
<jonathanwhodges@gmail.com>wrote:

> I was looking into U-Verse when it came out and they say they offer all of
> the BTN overflow channels.  It's also a much better deal than most cable
> operators (like Comcast here), especially when coupled with internet
> service.  If you go to the BTN website they have a gamefinder and it
> usually
> shows the AT&T U-Verse overflow channels, so you can check there.
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2009 4:17 PM, "Jason Singer" <jintsjason@me.com> wrote:
>
> I have both. I use U-Verse for internet only cause it's the fastest and
> cheapest. I've never had a problem with DirecTv and because they have
> exclusive rights to NFL Sunday Ticket, I'll never give it up. That said,
> they seem to have ten channels free beyond the initial Big Ten Network HD
> channel which usually means it is reserved for overflow (good luck getting
> an answer. I have heard the picture quality is excellent (better than
> DirecTv), they have more HD channels and a MUCH better DVR that comes
> standard.
>
> Also, I found this on the Big Ten Network page:
> Q: What are "Extra Football Game Channels?"
>
> A: "Extra Football Game Channels" are part-time channels that the Big Ten
> Network provides to cable, satellite and telco systems which allow the
> network to offer multiple football games simultaneously to viewers. Due to
> the nature of how the Big Ten schedules football games on Saturdays, the
> Big
> Ten Network often must televise several games at once.
>
> In order to satisfy fans of all schools, the network has offered all of its
> affiliates the opportunity to make these "Extra Football Game Channels"
> available to their subscribers. However, they are only available for Big
> Ten
> Network programming on football Saturdays.
>
> Q: Do I get "Extra Football Game Channels?"
>
> A: The majority of our cable, satellite and telco affiliates in the eight
> Big Ten states carry our ""Extra Football Game Channels,"" while many
> outside the Big Ten region are continuing to make these channels available.
> The decision whether to carry "Extra Football Game Channels" is made by
> your
> cable company's local office. Our GameFinder feature is updated weekly
> during the football season so you can determine if your local system offers
> "Extra Football Game Channels," and if so, where to find them in your
> channel lineup. If you do not get these channels, you can call your local
> cable office to let them know you are interested.
>
> I'd say ask, but AT&T service reps are not the most informed on niche
> questions.
>
> Happy New Year!
>
>
> Jason Singer
> jason@jasonsinger.com
>
> On Dec 29, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Neil Kaplan wrote: > Does anyone on the list
> have ATT U-verse? > >...
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Wed Dec 30 23:23:03 2009
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Wed Dec 30 23:23:41 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Arrival in Tampa
Message-ID: <31328041.1262236983896.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

My daughter and I arrived in Tampa after a long day's journey from Los Angeles.  Upon arriving at our hotel, it was great to meet Paul Levinson for the first time.  As Paul indicated, there are lots of Auburn people here, but they seem like rather pleasant folks.  

After coming back from dinner, we viewed the last couple of minutes and overtime of the NU basketball game at the hotel's sports bar.  You would have had to have been there to believe the amazing sight of the huge number of NU fans screaming and cheering for our team.  It doesn't get louder than that in Las Vegas!  

Jim B.

From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Thu Dec 31 07:53:50 2009
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Thu Dec 31 07:54:13 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1
References: <000d01ca89c4$c4f38750$4eda95f0$@com>
	<4A904CEE50FD4543842F60FD3C13962C@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA02D31896@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>

Tisdale was the man.  I agree with you that NU is going to struggle when a team has a 7-1 center who goes 11-14 from the floor and 9-11 at the free throw line.  When you look at the rest of the stats, though, NU was tough on the offensive boards and was 11-15 from the line.  
 
Where the game was lost, however was at the three point arc in the second half.  NU was 11-23 in the first half and 4-17 in the second half.  NU just went cold from the floor and couldn't really get anything going to the basket until late in the game, so it was even more impressive that they hung in there and took the game to overtime.  They were able to do that by taking care of the ball and forcing a lot of Illini mistakes.
 
This team is the real deal and has the best chance of any team in recent memory to make the big dance, so let's all enjoy the ride.
 
Jeff
 
 


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Wed 12/30/2009 11:35 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1



We played pretty well tonight.  Shurna was very good, and Thompson was his
usual solid self.  Crawford is the real deal and may be outstanding once he
shakes off froshitis.  Add the traditional 1 under the "L" column for an NU
Big Ten opener.  We lost because Illinois has a center, and we don't.  We
could have a lot of these come-up-short type games this season and will win
a few of them.

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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Thu Dec 31 08:47:52 2009
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Thu Dec 31 08:49:15 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1
Message-ID: <1F89BB2CE7A5B94D969618E8CC769CC3013580EF@XCHGBRS4.corp.espn.pvt>

Amen!  NU big men battled and will have better days - not every team presents the challenge Tisdale does and the Cats hung tough and learned.  But Thompson's health is crucial - hoping his late injury isn't one that carries over.

Lot of purple at snowy NYC's LaGuardia Airport for the flight to Tampa (hoping it won't be delayed).  Visibility awful as are road conditions (a car skidded into mine on way here). 

Hail to purple...Go Cats!

Willie 

>From Blackberry - please excuse typos

W. Weinbaum
Producer
212-916-9864 (24-hour voicemail)
willie.weinbaum@espn.com

----- Original Message -----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com <nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Thu Dec 31 08:53:50 2009Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Loss #1

Tisdale was the man.  I agree with you that NU is going to struggle when a team has a 7-1 center who goes 11-14 from the floor and 9-11 at the free throw line.  When you look at the rest of the stats, though, NU was tough on the offensive boards and was 11-15 from the line.

Where the game was lost, however was at the three point arc in the second half.  NU was 11-23 in the first half and 4-17 in the second half.  NU just went cold from the floor and couldn't really get anything going to the basket until late in the game, so it was even more impressive that they hung in there and took the game to overtime.  They were able to do that by taking care of the ball and forcing a lot of Illini mistakes.

This team is the real deal and has the best chance of any team in recent memory to make the big dance, so let's all enjoy the ride.

Jeff




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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Wed 12/30/2009 11:35 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1



We played pretty well tonight.  Shurna was very good, and Thompson was his
usual solid self.  Crawford is the real deal and may be outstanding once he
shakes off froshitis.  Add the traditional 1 under the "L" column for an NU
Big Ten opener.  We lost because Illinois has a center, and we don't.  We
could have a lot of these come-up-short type games this season and will win
a few of them.

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Dec 31 09:25:37 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu Dec 31 09:25:31 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1
In-Reply-To: <FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA02D31896@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
References: <000d01ca89c4$c4f38750$4eda95f0$@com>	<4A904CEE50FD4543842F60FD3C13962C@DennisMachine>
	<FA7822545C26F244823CA5D312ABBDEA02D31896@nasa-dtw-ex006.nasa.cpwr.corp>
Message-ID: <003c01ca8a2d$822366c0$866a3440$@com>

The comment from the ?color guy? was that Illinois guarded the NU outside shot better in the 2nd half, and used Tisdale to disrupt the back door cut.

 

You saw NU slashing to the basket more in the 2nd half ? it was a game that was crying for some of Coble?s playground antics.

 

But if nobody?s hurt, we beat them at WR.

 

rsl

 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Computer Applications & Support Associates

-------------------- Also ----------------------

Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball

Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]

Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 

Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968

Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)

==========  Go Cats -  Beat 'em All  ===========

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 8:54 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Loss #1

 

Tisdale was the man.  I agree with you that NU is going to struggle when a team has a 7-1 center who goes 11-14 from the floor and 9-11 at the free throw line.  When you look at the rest of the stats, though, NU was tough on the offensive boards and was 11-15 from the line. 

Where the game was lost, however was at the three point arc in the second half.  NU was 11-23 in the first half and 4-17 in the second half.  NU just went cold from the floor and couldn't really get anything going to the basket until late in the game, so it was even more impressive that they hung in there and took the game to overtime.  They were able to do that by taking care of the ball and forcing a lot of Illini mistakes.

This team is the real deal and has the best chance of any team in recent memory to make the big dance, so let's all enjoy the ride.

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com on behalf of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Wed 12/30/2009 11:35 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1



We played pretty well tonight.  Shurna was very good, and Thompson was his
usual solid self.  Crawford is the real deal and may be outstanding once he
shakes off froshitis.  Add the traditional 1 under the "L" column for an NU
Big Ten opener.  We lost because Illinois has a center, and we don't.  We
could have a lot of these come-up-short type games this season and will win
a few of them.

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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Dec 31 09:49:05 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Dec 31 09:49:16 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1
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We can't live solely by the three because a shooting drought is inevitable. 
When Illinois brought its defense out in the second half, we could not make 
them pay by going down low.  I don't recall that we even tried a short 
jumper last night.  Princeton offense or no, we don't get that many 
back-pick layups.  Mirkovic will never be more than an average center at 
best, and Rowley still demonstrates no discernible basketball skills 
whatever.  We have guards and swing men but little to nothing at the center 
and power forward positions. 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Dec 31 11:13:14 2009
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy S. Lamberton)
Date: Thu Dec 31 11:13:06 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1 - redux
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Not to be flip, but I thought I saw a few sparks of potential in our 7 foot
guy. Playing against Tisdale made him look sloppy, but when Rowley was in
and figuring out position, they slowed the inside attack of the Ill-nois.

 

Unfortunately, Rowley is probably 3 years away from being being a "Tisdale,"
and he doesn't have 3 more years.

 

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:35 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1

 

We played pretty well tonight.  Shurna was very good, and Thompson was his
usual solid self.  Crawford is the real deal and may be outstanding once he
shakes off froshitis.  Add the traditional 1 under the "L" column for an NU
Big Ten opener.  We lost because Illinois has a center, and we don't.  We
could have a lot of these come-up-short type games this season and will win
a few of them.

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 31 11:24:56 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Dec 31 11:25:04 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1 - redux
In-Reply-To: <004101ca8a3c$8a2609e0$9e721da0$@com>
Message-ID: <765835.21782.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

It's a shame we don't have something like the "OTL" in hockey to show how close this game was -- seemed like we were in control most of it, then fell behind when Illinois made a run and had a nice gutsy comeback to force OT.

Agreed on all the reasons -- Tisdale played his best game ever, needed Coble's playmaking at the end, etc. But I came away encouraged that this team has the toughness to make it through what will be a rugged Big Ten this year. We just have to find someone to step up in close games.

The two big things are #1 how's Thompson's ankle and #2 how we respond after a tough loss to a rival. No time to mope with our upcoming schedule - hope Carmody can get 'em focused on the next game instead of thinking what coulda been in the last one.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Sure would have been nice though ... darn Illini! ... we just need to get our invite. Once there, I think we'll do well because of our unique style (kind of like playing an option team in football), but the Big Ten knows Carmody inside and out by now, so we gotta get these close Big Ten games!

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--- On Thu, 12/31/09, Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Loss #1 - redux
> To: "'Dennis W. Brandt'" <tbng@comcast.net>, nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 10:13 AM
> Not to be flip, but I thought I saw a
> few sparks of potential in our 7 foot
> guy. Playing against Tisdale made him look sloppy, but when
> Rowley was in
> and figuring out position, they slowed the inside attack of
> the Ill-nois.
> 
>  
> 
> Unfortunately, Rowley is probably 3 years away from being
> being a "Tisdale,"
> and he doesn't have 3 more years.
> 
>  
> 
> rsl 
> 
>  
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> 
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> 
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> 
> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
> 
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> 
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
> 
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> 
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> 
> ==========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All?
> ===========
> 
> Congress '06
> 
> ???Obama '08
> 
> ? ? ? Depression '10????
> 
>  
> 
> Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
> 
> ================================================
> 
>  
> 
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:35 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1
> 
>  
> 
> We played pretty well tonight.? Shurna was very good,
> and Thompson was his
> usual solid self.? Crawford is the real deal and may
> be outstanding once he
> shakes off froshitis.? Add the traditional 1 under the
> "L" column for an NU
> Big Ten opener.? We lost because Illinois has a
> center, and we don't.? We
> could have a lot of these come-up-short type games this
> season and will win
> a few of them.
> 
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Thu Dec 31 11:29:55 2009
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Thu Dec 31 11:30:49 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1 - redux
In-Reply-To: <765835.21782.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <004101ca8a3c$8a2609e0$9e721da0$@com>
	<765835.21782.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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I think Lake The Posts distilled the game to its essence: live by 3, lose by 6.

If we don't go stone cold from behind the line in the second half, we win going away. 

For those of you not yet in Tampa -- it's cool, in the 60s, and looks like rain may be in our near future. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 9:25 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Loss #1 - redux

It's a shame we don't have something like the "OTL" in hockey to show how close this game was -- seemed like we were in control most of it, then fell behind when Illinois made a run and had a nice gutsy comeback to force OT.

Agreed on all the reasons -- Tisdale played his best game ever, needed Coble's playmaking at the end, etc. But I came away encouraged that this team has the toughness to make it through what will be a rugged Big Ten this year. We just have to find someone to step up in close games.

The two big things are #1 how's Thompson's ankle and #2 how we respond after a tough loss to a rival. No time to mope with our upcoming schedule - hope Carmody can get 'em focused on the next game instead of thinking what coulda been in the last one.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Sure would have been nice though ... darn Illini! ... we just need to get our invite. Once there, I think we'll do well because of our unique style (kind of like playing an option team in football), but the Big Ten knows Carmody inside and out by now, so we gotta get these close Big Ten games!

* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


--- On Thu, 12/31/09, Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> From: Roy S. Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Loss #1 - redux
> To: "'Dennis W. Brandt'" <tbng@comcast.net>, nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Date: Thursday, December 31, 2009, 10:13 AM
> Not to be flip, but I thought I saw a
> few sparks of potential in our 7 foot
> guy. Playing against Tisdale made him look sloppy, but when
> Rowley was in
> and figuring out position, they slowed the inside attack of
> the Ill-nois.
> 
>  
> 
> Unfortunately, Rowley is probably 3 years away from being
> being a "Tisdale,"
> and he doesn't have 3 more years.
> 
>  
> 
> rsl 
> 
>  
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate & Unix Guru.
> 
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> 
> -------------------- Also ----------------------
> 
> Commissioner Delaware American Legion Baseball
> 
> Retired Senior Chief Cryptologic Technician [R]
> 
> Northwestern University - Speech 1974 - 
> 
> Chi Phi: Pi 1974, KD 1968
> 
> Publisher Emeritus: Purple Reign (Fox Sports)
> 
> ==========? Go Cats -? Beat 'em All?
> ===========
> 
> Congress '06
> 
> ???Obama '08
> 
> ? ? ? Depression '10????
> 
>  
> 
> Don't re-elect nobody, not even yo mama!
> 
> ================================================
> 
>  
> 
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 11:35 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1
> 
>  
> 
> We played pretty well tonight.? Shurna was very good,
> and Thompson was his
> usual solid self.? Crawford is the real deal and may
> be outstanding once he
> shakes off froshitis.? Add the traditional 1 under the
> "L" column for an NU
> Big Ten opener.? We lost because Illinois has a
> center, and we don't.? We
> could have a lot of these come-up-short type games this
> season and will win
> a few of them.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Dec 31 11:40:17 2009
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Dec 31 11:40:40 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Loss #1 - redux
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[NU Sports] Loss #1<Unfortunately, Rowley is probably 3 years away from being being a "Tisdale," and he doesn't have 3 more years.

Sorry, Roy, but Rowley is two incorrectly chosen parents from being a "Tisdale."  There is nothing there to develop.
From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Thu Dec 31 12:56:09 2009
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Dec 31 12:56:24 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: List Get Together
Message-ID: <481f.60dad25f.386e4dc9@aol.com>

Besides the folks in tent 24 and 8 are there any other listers coming to  
the game?  I will be in section 108 seat 21 if any body wants to stop by  and 
say hi, or we can pick a spot to meet at  halftime.
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 31 18:35:05 2009
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Dec 31 18:35:25 2009
Subject: [NU Sports] Who do we have to pay at the Big Ten office ...
Message-ID: <683247.56946.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

... to get our Minnesota game scheduled in NOVEMBER next year instead of the usual September slot?

Sheesh, these guys go into hibernation around Halloween every year ... they can't even stay on their own two feet in this game (two big slips resulted in a missed UM TD and a wide open ISU TD at the end of the half) and we haven't had rain in the Valley.

The Gophers seem to be tanking it yet again in a favorable bowl matchup - they really don't seem to be excited about being in Phoenix yet again.

Hopefully league fortunes turn around tomorrow - have a happy NU Year for all those in Tampa!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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