[NU Sports] Remind me again who we should be rooting for tonight

Sat Nov 22 21:39:50 CST 2008

Frankly, I'm not certain about anything as the bowls appear to have  
negotiated various rules with the Big Ten office that aren't publicized.

However, what I posted earlier in the week is that if we get 2 Big Ten  
bowls into the BCS, then the Outback and the Alamo are NOT constrained  
by the normal rules, although the Capital One and the Champs bowls are  
still bound by those rules.  We also learned earlier in the week that  
the Insight is never bound by the normal rules (although this should  
now be irrelevant to the Cats with our win today).  But even if the  
Champs didn't have to follow the rule, I still think it would pick us  
over Minnesota.

The following is the quote and cite again.  It seems to be accurate as  
it cites a specific person from the Big Ten office:

"If the Big Ten gets two BCS teams, then the two-win differential rule  
is waived for the Outback and Alamo bowls, allowing them to pick  
purely on preference, according to Big Ten assistant commissioner  
Scott Chipman.
Such a rule is not waived for the Capital One and Champs Sports Bowls,  
he said, so those bowls must pick based on the winningest team  
available or one with one fewer loss. The Insight and Motor City bowls  
don't have any rules regarding their selection. They can just pick  
from the conference teams still remaining."
See http://www.starcourier.com/sports/x1772953308/Illinois-football-notebook-Good-shot-at-bowl-game-for-Illini

On Nov 22, 2008, at 9:23 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

> Are we sure about the bowl rules yet? I remember a post earlier this  
> week saying that when 2 Big Ten teams make the BCS, all rules are  
> essentially out ... and another that said only the Citrus/Outback  
> are bound by the "one loss behind" rule.
>
> I guess we'll see when we see.
>
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> --- On Sat, 11/22/08, John Labbe <johnl at mac.com> wrote:
>
>> From: John Labbe <johnl at mac.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Remind me again who we should be rooting  
>> for tonight
>> To: MHRJGScott at aol.com
>> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
>> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 7:46 PM
>> Just wanted to correct one thing.  Yes, with Iowa's win
>> today all but certain, they can and probably will be chosen
>> ahead of us by the bowls, but with our win today, we
>> can't possibly fall below the Champs Bowl.  If Iowa is
>> picked ahead of us, they will be picked ahead of us for
>> either the Outback or the Alamo Bowl.  Then we'll either
>> land in the Alamo or Champs.  I'm hoping for the Champs.
>>
>> So the only thing left open after tonight is whether we
>> want two Big Ten teams in the BCS.  I think either way,
>> we're likely headed to the Champs Bowl, so it probably
>> doesn't matter.
>>
>> Scenario 1: PSU and OSU get into the BCS.  Then MSU to the
>> Capital One, Iowa probably to the Outback.  Then, the Alamo
>> pick gets interesting.  I had thought that we would then be
>> a lock for the Alamo.  But based on my post earlier this
>> week, apparently if the Big Ten gets two BCS bids, then the
>> Alamo is not constrained by the 2-loss selection rule.  So
>> the Alamo could pick Wisconsin at 7-5 over the Cats at 9-3.
>> That would be great in my mind, because then we'd be a
>> lock for the Champs, where I'd rather see us play.  The
>> Champs won't be able to pick Minnesota over us, because
>> it is bound by the 2-loss rule.
>>
>> Scenario 2:  OSU does not get into the BCS.  Then OSU go
>> the Capital One, MSU to the Outback, and Iowa presumably
>> gets picked over us for the Alamo.  Then the Champs must
>> pick us over Wisconsin or Minnesota.
>>
>>
>> IF you assume that Iowa will be selected ahead of us, then
>> Scenario 2 (where OSU does NOT get a BCS bid) is more
>> favorable because it's impossible that we would go to
>> the Alamo and would be a lock for the Champs.  This also
>> assume that you're like me and really do not want to see
>> us in the Alamo Bowl.
>>
>> Either way, if you assume Iowa gets picked ahead of us, it
>> looks like we're headed for the Champs Bowl, Saturday,
>> December 27, 4:30 pm EST in Orlando, Florida, televised on
>> ESPN.  Likely opponents appear to be Florida State or Miami.
>>
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Nov 22, 2008, at 6:31 PM, MHRJGScott at aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> absolutely, Iowa may get the champs if they win,
>> please dear lord  no. Great
>>> win today even though I had to listen to WGN internet
>> feed being  aboard ship,
>>> very little info from the Penn ST sparty crew about
>> our game.
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/22/2008 7:08:26 P.M. Eastern
>> Standard Time,
>>> hakirsch at aol.com writes:
>>>
>>> It isn't  certain. But I think on balance we are
>> better off with a minny
>>> upset.   Tough to take Iowa over us if they lose
>> tonight
>>>
>>>
>>>
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