[NU Sports] football and brains

Wed Nov 12 15:12:22 CST 2008

We got beat by a kid who, if he goes to school and stays healthy, will be a star in this league and on Sunday.

Our defense did what we asked them to do, stop the run.  We forced Pryor to pass and he beat us.  Sometimes you have to just tip your hat.  Offense and special teams didn't help much, but without CJ and a more experienced RB, we weren't going to turn this into a shootout anyway.  IMHO the frustration that our kids showed indicated that they believed they had a chance to win.  Gotta take that as a positive too.  

I'm sure that Fitz had things to work on and things to praise from this game.   

As far as Detroit is concerned, I think that everyone would have a good time here, but I also think that we would lose to a very good CMU team.  Let's go somewhere we can win.

Jeff

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From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com on behalf of DPENDERG at aol.com
Sent: Wed 11/12/2008 1:50 PM
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] football and brains

I'm sorry, but all the heady bowl prognostication is blurred by my concern 
about these next two games. With Cat injuries, defensive backfield breakdowns 
and sloppy tackling/blocking, I'm really worried that we can drop both games
and  end the season with a three-game losing streak, which will not inspire
bowl  sponsors. I think we have a steep hill to climb with a young UM team  now
finding its way and with the Illini who will be highly  motivated to secure
bowl eligibility when they come to Evanston.  

Cats must step up after the listless, almost defeatist way they finished  the
OSU game and convince the bowl hosts that NU really deserves to be in 
something other than the also-ran festivity up in Detroit.

In a message dated 11/12/2008 11:01:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
cherron604 at aol.com writes:

Curioser and curioser...

The Big Ten website lists the bowls  in
Rose-Citrus-Outback-Alamo-Champs-Insight-Motor City order, but only gives  dates and logos.

The blog from bigtennetwork.com editor Brent  Yarina

http://www.bigtennetwork.com/blogs/blogs.asp?post_id=2126

Gives  his bowl forecast, and lists Champs before the Alamo

Rose - PSU/Oregon  St (If the Beavers win out, and lock out the Trojans,
won't the Rose Bowl  people be horrified ?)

Fiesta - OSU/Texas

Cap One -  MSU/Georgia

Outback - Iowa/S Carolina (The Des Moines Register was  already predicting
this also)

Champs - NU/Miami

Alamo -  Wisconsin/Missouri

Insight - Minnesota/Kansas

Motor City  - Illinois/Central Michigan

Interestingly, in the Champs blurb, Yarina  writes

"As long as the Wildcats can avoid any further injuries, an  all-private
school bowl seems to be in the cards in Arizona."

Odd, when  the Champs Bowl is in Orlando, not Arizona.

Yarina also has us beating  Michigan in the Big House this week 23-20, and
Illinois losing to OSU  31-23.  Since he's making Illinois Bowl bound, that
means he expects them  to beat us in Evanston...oh well

Chuck Herron   Tech  '85

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From: Jonathan Hodges  <jonathanwhodges at gmail.com>
To: cherron604 at aol.com
Cc:  sportsbiz at gmail.com; sjtruog at yahoo.com; nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Wed, 12  Nov 2008 9:21 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] football and  brains

Note that the Alamo Bowl and the Champs Sports Bowl  rotate their pick order
(4 and 5, including the Rose Bowl) every year.  I  assume that this means that
the Champs Sports Bowl picked first last  year.

Also, here are important rules that are taken into consideration  in the
selection process:

1. According the NCAA rules, teams with a  winning record (7-5 or better)
must be selected before .500 (6-6) teams.   Bowls are also not allowed to create
side deals to circumvent this rule.   This means that if the Insight Bowl is
left with a 7-5 team vs. a 6-6 team in  the Big Ten, the 7-5 team must be
chosen first.  This rule also applies  to at-large bowl bids (no conference
affiliation or not enough conference  teams eligible) where teams with a winning
record must be selected before  teams with .500 records - which is how some MAC
and Sun Belt teams have been  getting bowl bids for some of the bottom rung
bowls in recent years.

2.  According to Big Ten rules, the Capital One, Outback, Alamo, and Champs
Sports  Bowls must select the Big Ten team with the highest win total or a team
within  one win of them.  This means that an 8-4 team could be selected
before a  9-3 team, but a 7-5 team could not be selected before a 9-3 team.  This 
rule will be important for the 'Cats down the stretch this season if they can 
win out.

Jonathan

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM,  <cherron604 at aol.com> wrote:

The pecking order is

1 Rose  Pasadena
2 Citrus Orlando
3 Outback Tampa
4 Alamo San Antonio
5  Champs Orlando
6 Insight Tempe
7 Motor City Detroit

(Sponsor  names may have changed)

Which fuels my next question - I've read two  reporters (Herb Gould in
Monday's Sun-Times and Bob Asmussen (Sunday's  Champaign  News-Gazette))

http://www.illinihq.com/blogs/fourthandblog/2008/11/09/back_to_detroit

that  had Illinois going to the Insight in Tempe with 6 wins.  It would
appear  that if Illinois even got to 6 wins, there would still be 7 teams ahead of 
them with at least 7 wins.  For the Gould/Asmussen scenario to work, that 
means 8 Big Ten bowls, meaning 2 in the BCS.  Then, when it's Tempe's  time to
choose, don't they have to choose the 7 win team before the 6 win team  ?

Asmussen did mention that both CBS Sportsline and  collegefootballnews.com
had a potential 6 win Illini team in Detroit.   That also implies that both
organizations think a team that lost to Western  Michigan will beat us...

On a brighter note, it's nice that you no  longer have to pay to see content
on the News-Gazette...

Chuck  Herron   Tech '85

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From: Sportsbiz <sportsbiz at gmail.com>
To:  sjtruog at yahoo.com
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Sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 7:53  am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] football and brains

SI.com, in  the person of alum  Stuart Mandel, projects us to the  second

rlando bowl against Miami, but he says it is the Big Ten's  fourth bowl,

head of the Alamo and behind the Outback.  Is  that right - I thought the

lamo came ahead of the Champs Bowl, but  maybe that changed in the last

ontract go-around when the Champs  Bowl was  added.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/11/10/bowl-projec
tions/index.html
Mark
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On Tue, Nov  11, 2008 at 10:18 PM, SjT (Stephen J.  Truog)
sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:
> Well, I could see a silver  lining there in that it would send us to
Phoenix! An Insight Bowl vs.  Kansas would be a fun game (I don't think
anyone plays defense in the  Big XII this year) and much better than an Alamo
bid against Mizzou  or playing Miami in Orlando.

I do think that we really wrecked  Minny's confidence, though, with that
last interception return. They  just haven't had the swagger since.

Too bad we couldn't do it to  MSU and send them into a self-doubting
tailspin a few weeks  earlier!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * *  *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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GO  CATS!!!

--- On Tue, 11/11/08, CHerron604 at aol.com  <CHerron604 at aol.com> wrote:

> On a more puzzling  note...would we call it irony if our
> great win  over
> Minnesota shattered them so totally, that they lost out  for
> the season - giving
> Michigan needed confidence  for this week's game ?
> Helping Iowa to 8  wins  and
> Wisconsin to 7 wins ?  Dropping us from the Alamo bowl  to
> the  Insight bowl ?
>
> Chuck  Herron   Tech '85
>
>
> In a message  dated 11/11/2008 7:59:27 P.M. Central Standard
>  Time,
> MHRJGScott at aol.com writes:
>
>  First of  all I would like to thank all the listers for not
>  getting into
> politics during this happy time in America, but I  would
> like to comment  on
> a SI
>  article which talked about "the revenge of the
> nerds"  eggheads, and other
> wimp-like braniaks which were having  good  season, CATS!!,
> Duke, Stanford,
>  Rice,
> Vandy, etc. Just where does it  say that a person  with a
> high IQ can not kick
>
> some  butt.
> I hope  our new Chicago guy can do what he says and  from
> the NYT:
>
> "Maybe, just  maybe, the result will be a step away
> from  the
> anti-intellectualism  that has long been a strain  in
> American life. Smart and
>  educated
> leadership is no panacea, but we've seen recently  that
> the converse -  a
> White  House
> that scorns expertise and shrugs at nuance -  doesn't
> get very far  either.
> We can't solve  our educational challenges when,
> according to  polls,
> Americans
> are approximately as likely to  believe in  flying saucers
> as in evolution,
>  and  when one-fifth of Americans  believe that the sun
>  orbits the  Earth."
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