[NU Sports] football and brains
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Wed Nov 12 12:50:05 CST 2008
I'm sorry, but all the heady bowl prognostication is blurred by my concern
about these next two games. With Cat injuries, defensive backfield breakdowns
and sloppy tackling/blocking, I'm really worried that we can drop both games
and end the season with a three-game losing streak, which will not inspire
bowl sponsors. I think we have a steep hill to climb with a young UM team now
finding its way and with the Illini who will be highly motivated to secure
bowl eligibility when they come to Evanston.
Cats must step up after the listless, almost defeatist way they finished the
OSU game and convince the bowl hosts that NU really deserves to be in
something other than the also-ran festivity up in Detroit.
In a message dated 11/12/2008 11:01:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cherron604 at aol.com writes:
Curioser and curioser...
The Big Ten website lists the bowls in
Rose-Citrus-Outback-Alamo-Champs-Insight-Motor City order, but only gives dates and logos.
The blog from bigtennetwork.com editor Brent Yarina
http://www.bigtennetwork.com/blogs/blogs.asp?post_id=2126
Gives his bowl forecast, and lists Champs before the Alamo
Rose - PSU/Oregon St (If the Beavers win out, and lock out the Trojans,
won't the Rose Bowl people be horrified ?)
Fiesta - OSU/Texas
Cap One - MSU/Georgia
Outback - Iowa/S Carolina (The Des Moines Register was already predicting
this also)
Champs - NU/Miami
Alamo - Wisconsin/Missouri
Insight - Minnesota/Kansas
Motor City - Illinois/Central Michigan
Interestingly, in the Champs blurb, Yarina writes
"As long as the Wildcats can avoid any further injuries, an all-private
school bowl seems to be in the cards in Arizona."
Odd, when the Champs Bowl is in Orlando, not Arizona.
Yarina also has us beating Michigan in the Big House this week 23-20, and
Illinois losing to OSU 31-23. Since he's making Illinois Bowl bound, that
means he expects them to beat us in Evanston...oh well
Chuck Herron Tech '85
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From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges at gmail.com>
To: cherron604 at aol.com
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Sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 9:21 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] football and brains
Note that the Alamo Bowl and the Champs Sports Bowl rotate their pick order
(4 and 5, including the Rose Bowl) every year. I assume that this means that
the Champs Sports Bowl picked first last year.
Also, here are important rules that are taken into consideration in the
selection process:
1. According the NCAA rules, teams with a winning record (7-5 or better)
must be selected before .500 (6-6) teams. Bowls are also not allowed to create
side deals to circumvent this rule. This means that if the Insight Bowl is
left with a 7-5 team vs. a 6-6 team in the Big Ten, the 7-5 team must be
chosen first. This rule also applies to at-large bowl bids (no conference
affiliation or not enough conference teams eligible) where teams with a winning
record must be selected before teams with .500 records - which is how some MAC
and Sun Belt teams have been getting bowl bids for some of the bottom rung
bowls in recent years.
2. According to Big Ten rules, the Capital One, Outback, Alamo, and Champs
Sports Bowls must select the Big Ten team with the highest win total or a team
within one win of them. This means that an 8-4 team could be selected
before a 9-3 team, but a 7-5 team could not be selected before a 9-3 team. This
rule will be important for the 'Cats down the stretch this season if they can
win out.
Jonathan
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, <cherron604 at aol.com> wrote:
The pecking order is
1 Rose Pasadena
2 Citrus Orlando
3 Outback Tampa
4 Alamo San Antonio
5 Champs Orlando
6 Insight Tempe
7 Motor City Detroit
(Sponsor names may have changed)
Which fuels my next question - I've read two reporters (Herb Gould in
Monday's Sun-Times and Bob Asmussen (Sunday's Champaign News-Gazette))
http://www.illinihq.com/blogs/fourthandblog/2008/11/09/back_to_detroit
that had Illinois going to the Insight in Tempe with 6 wins. It would
appear that if Illinois even got to 6 wins, there would still be 7 teams ahead of
them with at least 7 wins. For the Gould/Asmussen scenario to work, that
means 8 Big Ten bowls, meaning 2 in the BCS. Then, when it's Tempe's time to
choose, don't they have to choose the 7 win team before the 6 win team ?
Asmussen did mention that both CBS Sportsline and collegefootballnews.com
had a potential 6 win Illini team in Detroit. That also implies that both
organizations think a team that lost to Western Michigan will beat us...
On a brighter note, it's nice that you no longer have to pay to see content
on the News-Gazette...
Chuck Herron Tech '85
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Sent: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 7:53 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] football and brains
SI.com, in the person of alum Stuart Mandel, projects us to the second
rlando bowl against Miami, but he says it is the Big Ten's fourth bowl,
head of the Alamo and behind the Outback. Is that right - I thought the
lamo came ahead of the Champs Bowl, but maybe that changed in the last
ontract go-around when the Champs Bowl was added.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/11/10/bowl-projec
tions/index.html
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:18 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:
> Well, I could see a silver lining there in that it would send us to
Phoenix! An Insight Bowl vs. Kansas would be a fun game (I don't think
anyone plays defense in the Big XII this year) and much better than an Alamo
bid against Mizzou or playing Miami in Orlando.
I do think that we really wrecked Minny's confidence, though, with that
last interception return. They just haven't had the swagger since.
Too bad we couldn't do it to MSU and send them into a self-doubting
tailspin a few weeks earlier!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT
* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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GO CATS!!!
--- On Tue, 11/11/08, CHerron604 at aol.com <CHerron604 at aol.com> wrote:
> On a more puzzling note...would we call it irony if our
> great win over
> Minnesota shattered them so totally, that they lost out for
> the season - giving
> Michigan needed confidence for this week's game ?
> Helping Iowa to 8 wins and
> Wisconsin to 7 wins ? Dropping us from the Alamo bowl to
> the Insight bowl ?
>
> Chuck Herron Tech '85
>
>
> In a message dated 11/11/2008 7:59:27 P.M. Central Standard
> Time,
> MHRJGScott at aol.com writes:
>
> First of all I would like to thank all the listers for not
> getting into
> politics during this happy time in America, but I would
> like to comment on
> a SI
> article which talked about "the revenge of the
> nerds" eggheads, and other
> wimp-like braniaks which were having good season, CATS!!,
> Duke, Stanford,
> Rice,
> Vandy, etc. Just where does it say that a person with a
> high IQ can not kick
>
> some butt.
> I hope our new Chicago guy can do what he says and from
> the NYT:
>
> "Maybe, just maybe, the result will be a step away
> from the
> anti-intellectualism that has long been a strain in
> American life. Smart and
> educated
> leadership is no panacea, but we've seen recently that
> the converse — a
> White House
> that scorns expertise and shrugs at nuance — doesn't
> get very far either.
> We can't solve our educational challenges when,
> according to polls,
> Americans
> are approximately as likely to believe in flying saucers
> as in evolution,
> and when one-fifth of Americans believe that the sun
> orbits the Earth."
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