[NU Sports] football and brains

Wed Nov 12 09:59:40 CST 2008

Curioser and curioser...

The Big Ten website lists the bowls in Rose-Citrus-Outback-Alamo-Champs-Insight-Motor City order, but only gives dates and logos.

The blog from bigtennetwork.com editor Brent Yarina

http://www.bigtennetwork.com/blogs/blogs.asp?post_id=2126

Gives his bowl forecast, and lists Champs before the Alamo

Rose - PSU/Oregon St (If the Beavers win out, and lock out the Trojans, won't the Rose Bowl people be horrified ?)

Fiesta - OSU/Texas

Cap One - MSU/Georgia

Outback - Iowa/S Carolina (The Des Moines Register was already predicting this also)

Champs - NU/Miami

Alamo - Wisconsin/Missouri

Insight - Minnesota/Kansas

Motor City - Illinois/Central Michigan

Interestingly, in the Champs blurb, Yarina writes

"As long as the Wildcats can avoid any further injuries, an all-private school bowl seems to be in the cards in Arizona."

Odd, when the Champs Bowl is in Orlando, not Arizona.

Yarina also has us beating Michigan in the Big House this week 23-20, and Illinois losing to OSU 31-23.  Since he's making Illinois Bowl bound, that means he expects them to beat us in Evanston...oh well

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

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From: Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges at gmail.com>
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Note that the Alamo Bowl and the Champs Sports Bowl rotate their pick order (4 and 5, including the Rose Bowl) every year.  I assume that this means that the Champs Sports Bowl picked first last year.

Also, here are important rules that are taken into consideration in the selection process:

1. According the NCAA rules, teams with a winning record (7-5 or better) must be selected before .500 (6-6) teams.  Bowls are also not allowed to create side deals to circumvent this rule.  This means that if the Insight Bowl is left with a 7-5 team vs. a 6-6 team in the Big Ten, the 7-5 team must be chosen first.  This rule also applies to at-large bowl bids (no conference affiliation or not enough conference teams eligible) where teams with a winning record must be selected before teams with .500 records - which is how some MAC and Sun Belt teams have been getting bowl bids for some of the bottom rung bowls in recent years.

2. According to Big Ten rules, the Capital One, Outback, Alamo, and Champs Sports Bowls must select the Big Ten team with the highest win total or a team within one win of them.  This means that an 8-4 team could be selected before a 9-3 team, but a 7-5 team could not be selected before a 9-3 team.  This rule will be important for the 'Cats down the stretch this season if they can win out.

Jonathan

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:33 AM, <cherron604 at aol.com> wrote:

The pecking order is

1 Rose Pasadena
2 Citrus Orlando
3 Outback Tampa
4 Alamo San Antonio
5 Champs Orlando
6 Insight Tempe
7 Motor City Detroit

(Sponsor names may have changed)

Which fuels my next question - I've read two reporters (Herb Gould in Monday's Sun-Times and Bob Asmussen (Sunday's Champaign News-Gazette))

http://www.illinihq.com/blogs/fourthandblog/2008/11/09/back_to_detroit

that had Illinois going to the Insight in Tempe with 6 wins.  It would appear that if Illinois even got to 6 wins, there would still be 7 teams ahead of them with at least 7 wins.  For the Gould/Asmussen scenario to work, that means 8 Big Ten bowls, meaning 2 in the BCS.  Then, when it's Tempe's time to choose, don't they have to choose the 7 win team before the 6 win team ?

Asmussen did mention that both CBS Sportsline and collegefootballnews.com had a potential 6 win Illini team in Detroit.  That also implies that both organizations think a team that lost to Western Michigan will beat us...

On a brighter note, it's nice that you no longer have to pay to see content on the News-Gazette...

Chuck Herron   Tech '85

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SI.com, in the person of alum  Stuart Mandel, projects us to the second

rlando bowl against Miami, but he says it is the Big Ten's fourth bowl,

head of the Alamo and behind the Outback.  Is that right - I thought the

lamo came ahead of the Champs Bowl, but maybe that changed in the last

ontract go-around when the Champs Bowl was added.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/11/10/bowl-projections/index.html
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 10:18 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
sjtruog at yahoo.com>wrote:
> Well, I could see a silver lining there in that it would send us to
 Phoenix! An Insight Bowl vs. Kansas would be a fun game (I don't think
 anyone plays defense in the Big XII this year) and much better than an Alamo
 bid against Mizzou or playing Miami in Orlando.

 I do think that we really wrecked Minny's confidence, though, with that
 last interception return. They just haven't had the swagger since.

 Too bad we couldn't do it to MSU and send them into a self-doubting
 tailspin a few weeks earlier!

 GO CATS!!!
 -SjT

 * * * * * * * * *
 STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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 GO CATS!!!

 --- On Tue, 11/11/08, CHerron604 at aol.com <CHerron604 at aol.com> wrote:

 > On a more puzzling note...would we call it irony if our
 > great win over
 > Minnesota shattered them so totally, that they lost out for
 > the season - giving
 > Michigan needed confidence for this week's game ?
 > Helping Iowa to 8  wins and
 > Wisconsin to 7 wins ?  Dropping us from the Alamo bowl to
 > the  Insight bowl ?
 >
 > Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 >
 >
 > In a message dated 11/11/2008 7:59:27 P.M. Central Standard
 > Time,
 > MHRJGScott at aol.com writes:
 >
 > First of  all I would like to thank all the listers for not
 > getting into
 > politics during this happy time in America, but I would
 > like to comment  on
 > a SI
 > article which talked about "the revenge of the
 > nerds"  eggheads, and other
 > wimp-like braniaks which were having good  season, CATS!!,
 > Duke, Stanford,
 > Rice,
 > Vandy, etc. Just where does it  say that a person with a
 > high IQ can not kick
 >
 > some butt.
 > I hope  our new Chicago guy can do what he says and from
 > the NYT:
 >
 > "Maybe, just  maybe, the result will be a step away
 > from the
 > anti-intellectualism  that has long been a strain in
 > American life. Smart and
 >  educated
 > leadership is no panacea, but we've seen recently that
 > the converse —  a
 > White House
 > that scorns expertise and shrugs at nuance — doesn't
 > get very far  either.
 > We can't solve our educational challenges when,
 > according to polls,
 > Americans
 > are approximately as likely to believe in  flying saucers
 > as in evolution,
 > and  when one-fifth of Americans  believe that the sun
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