[NU Sports] Say it ain't so.................

Mon Nov 3 08:07:50 CST 2008

Actually, it looks like they did change the rules, so the Rose can nix the first chooser (the Orange in 2001) from selecting a Big Ten team.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/bcsfb/eligibility

3.C.? "When two bowls lose host teams, then the bowl losing the number one team may not select a replacement team from the same Conference as the number two team, unless the bowl losing the number two team consents."

-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog at yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports at tssi.com; jhcclark at aol.com
Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 8:57 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Say it ain't so.................

Nope - no tie-in if PSU goes to the title game.

However, the Rose would then get a first pick (or second if PSU was #2) to 
replace Penn State and they have shown a tendency to try and keep it Big Ten-Pac 
10 if possible (see Illinois' selection last year).

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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GO CATS!!!

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, jhcclark at aol.com <jhcclark at aol.com> wrote:

> From: jhcclark at aol.com <jhcclark at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Say it ain't so.................
> To: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 6:51 AM
> If PSU wins out and is chosen to go to the National
> Championship Game, that counts toward the Big Ten automatic
> bid.? The SEC will get 2, the Big XII will get 2, and a
> non-BCS team will get 1.? That leaves 1 spot unclaimed.? I
> doubt a Pac-10, ACC or Big East team is going to get a 2nd
> slot, so that means it is between the Big Ten and another
> non-BCS school.? I'm betting on the Big Ten.
> 
> However, I believe (correct me if I am wrong) the Rose Bowl
> tie-in doesn't vanish.? Back a few years ago (2001?) the
> Orange Bowl chose Iowa?with its first pick?leaving
> Washington State to play Oklahoma or USC?in the Rose bowl.?
> The Rose Bowl was furious at the Orange for using its pick
> to take Iowa, and it wasn't going to take USC, so I
> believe the rules were amended so that another BCS bowl
> could not poach a conference tie-in without the
> tie-in?bowl's OK.? If the Rose wanted Minny or
> Northwestern, it could deny another BCS bowl of that
> privilege to maintain its traditional tie-in.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Labbe <johnl at mac.com>
> To: JHCCLARK at aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 8:39 am
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Say it ain't
> so.................
> 
> 
> This raises a question that came up implicitly earlier this
> year but was never addressed. Assume PSU wins out AND gets
> into the National Championship game. Does PSU's
> selection count as the Big Ten automatic bid to the BCS? If
> so, then the Big Ten's normal Rose Bowl/BCS automatic
> bid selection rules never come into play. If they did, then
> we would go over Minnesota and OSU because we will have
> beaten them. But I know that the 1 vs. 2 national
> championship game trumps the automatic selection and then I
> don't think the Big Ten would get an automatic
> selection.?
> ?
> But there are other questions about this scenario, as well.
> How are you accounting for Michigan State? I assume you
> figure they'll lose to PSU, but then they would be 6-2
> in the Big Ten, also tied for second place. So you would
> have a 4-way tie for second place in the Big Ten, with two
> teams 9-3 overall and two teams 10-2 overall.?
> ?
> To respond to one of your other points, if we should win
> out, I predict that we will be ranked in the top 12. After
> this weekend, with a win against OSU and a record of 8-2,
> our ranking would shoot way up.?
> ?
> ?
> On Nov 3, 2008, at 6:22 AM, JHCCLARK at aol.com wrote:?
> ?
> >?
> > If we win out vs. Ohio State, Michigan and Illinois,
> and the rest of > your scenario comes true, then Minny
> and Northwestern would be > (10-2, 6-2) and Ohio State
> would be (9-3, 6-2).? I believe that our > wins at the
> end of the season, against marquee schools (OSU, @Mich, >
> Illinois), would garner more attention than Minny's wins
> at the end > of their season (Mich, Iowa, Wis).? Plus, we
> beat Minny at Minny on > their Homecoming.? If life was
> fair, we'd get the Rose.?
> >?
> > However, the Minny faithful are revved up this year,
> they are > turning out for games, and NU has shown that
> it does not travel?as > well as other schools.? Also, it
> has been, what, 150 years since > Minny has set foot in
> Pasadena, so a USC-Minny matchup would be > compelling.?
> Plus, it would be a great way to advertise for their >
> new stadium, another good story.? The only stories that NU
> has at > the moment?are the youth of Fitz, the academic
> standards, and the > possible intrigue of a running QB in
> Kafka if Bacher is relegated to > 2d string.?
> >?
> > I agree that the Citrus would PROBABLY opt for a 9-3
> OSU over a 10-2 > NU (again, OSU travels well).?
> >?
> > NU in the Outback.?
> >?
> > P.S.? Was I the only one that noticed that the two
> DOWN THE FIELD > passes thrown by Kafka were immensely
> effective?? Why why WHY don't > we throw vertically
> rather than horizontally?? Has anyone ASKED Fitz > that
> question in his press conferences??
> >?
> > -----Original Message-----?
> > From: Martinitis at aol.com?
> > To: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com?
> > Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 1:00 am?
> > Subject: [NU Sports] Say it ain't
> so.................?
> >?
> >?
> >?
> > Gentleman,?
> >?
> > I allowed myself to fantasize Sunday nite about the
> Bowl picture for > the?
> > Wildcats...if we should beat Ohio State and run the
> table.....Rose > Bowl? Outback?
> >?
> > Bowl? Citrus Bowl?! And found myself walking into a
> nightmare > scenario.?
> >?
> > If we beat OS, it would be likely 3 teams would tie
> for 2nd place in > the Big?
> > 10 @ 10-2; NU, Minnesota and Ohio State. With Joe Pa
> going for the > National?
> > Title, non of the three Place finishers would be
> eligible to go to > the Rose?
> > Bowl, since none of the three would finish in the top
> 12 BCS ratings.?
> >?
> > AND, since NU always gets snubbed, Minny and Ohio
> State go to the > Outback?
> > and Citrus Bowls, and we still end up in the dreaded
> (at least for > me) Alamo?
> > Bowl.?
> >?
> > So, win out, we get the Alamo Bowl. Lose to Ohio St.
> and Win 2, we > get the?
> > Alamo Bowl. (Mich St. and Minny go to the Outback and
> Citrus > Bowls. Win 1,?
> > we still get the Alamo Bowl.?
> >?
> > It feels like Catch 22. Can anyone wake me up?
> Happily??
> >?
> > Lou Martinaitis, '68,'69?
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