[NU Sports] Say it ain't so.................

[jhcclark at aol.com]

If PSU wins out and is chosen to go to the National Championship Game, that counts toward the Big Ten automatic bid.? The SEC will get 2, the Big XII will get 2, and a non-BCS team will get 1.? That leaves 1 spot unclaimed.? I doubt a Pac-10, ACC or Big East team is going to get a 2nd slot, so that means it is between the Big Ten and another non-BCS school.? I'm betting on the Big Ten.

However, I believe (correct me if I am wrong) the Rose Bowl tie-in doesn't vanish.? Back a few years ago (2001?) the Orange Bowl chose Iowa?with its first pick?leaving Washington State to play Oklahoma or USC?in the Rose bowl.? The Rose Bowl was furious at the Orange for using its pick to take Iowa, and it wasn't going to take USC, so I believe the rules were amended so that another BCS bowl could not poach a conference tie-in without the tie-in?bowl's OK.? If the Rose wanted Minny or Northwestern, it could deny another BCS bowl of that privilege to maintain its traditional tie-in.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Labbe <johnl at mac.com>
To: JHCCLARK at aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
Sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 8:39 am
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Say it ain't so.................


This raises a question that came up implicitly earlier this year but was never addressed. Assume PSU wins out AND gets into the National Championship game. Does PSU's selection count as the Big Ten automatic bid to the BCS? If so, then the Big Ten's normal Rose Bowl/BCS automatic bid selection rules never come into play. If they did, then we would go over Minnesota and OSU because we will have beaten them. But I know that the 1 vs. 2 national championship game trumps the automatic selection and then I don't think the Big Ten would get an automatic selection.?
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But there are other questions about this scenario, as well. How are you accounting for Michigan State? I assume you figure they'll lose to PSU, but then they would be 6-2 in the Big Ten, also tied for second place. So you would have a 4-way tie for second place in the Big Ten, with two teams 9-3 overall and two teams 10-2 overall.?
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To respond to one of your other points, if we should win out, I predict that we will be ranked in the top 12. After this weekend, with a win against OSU and a record of 8-2, our ranking would shoot way up.?
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On Nov 3, 2008, at 6:22 AM, JHCCLARK at aol.com wrote:?
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> If we win out vs. Ohio State, Michigan and Illinois, and the rest of > your scenario comes true, then Minny and Northwestern would be > (10-2, 6-2) and Ohio State would be (9-3, 6-2).? I believe that our > wins at the end of the season, against marquee schools (OSU, @Mich, > Illinois), would garner more attention than Minny's wins at the end > of their season (Mich, Iowa, Wis).? Plus, we beat Minny at Minny on > their Homecoming.? If life was fair, we'd get the Rose.?
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> However, the Minny faithful are revved up this year, they are > turning out for games, and NU has shown that it does not travel?as > well as other schools.? Also, it has been, what, 150 years since > Minny has set foot in Pasadena, so a USC-Minny matchup would be > compelling.? Plus, it would be a great way to advertise for their > new stadium, another good story.? The only stories that NU has at > the moment?are the youth of Fitz, the academic standards, and the > possible intrigue of a running QB in Kafka if Bacher is relegated to > 2d string.?
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> I agree that the Citrus would PROBABLY opt for a 9-3 OSU over a 10-2 > NU (again, OSU travels well).?
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> NU in the Outback.?
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> P.S.? Was I the only one that noticed that the two DOWN THE FIELD > passes thrown by Kafka were immensely effective?? Why why WHY don't > we throw vertically rather than horizontally?? Has anyone ASKED Fitz > that question in his press conferences??
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> Subject: [NU Sports] Say it ain't so.................?
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> Gentleman,?
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> I allowed myself to fantasize Sunday nite about the Bowl picture for > the?
> Wildcats...if we should beat Ohio State and run the table.....Rose > Bowl? Outback?
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> Bowl? Citrus Bowl?! And found myself walking into a nightmare > scenario.?
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> If we beat OS, it would be likely 3 teams would tie for 2nd place in > the Big?
> 10 @ 10-2; NU, Minnesota and Ohio State. With Joe Pa going for the > National?
> Title, non of the three Place finishers would be eligible to go to > the Rose?
> Bowl, since none of the three would finish in the top 12 BCS ratings.?
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> AND, since NU always gets snubbed, Minny and Ohio State go to the > Outback?
> and Citrus Bowls, and we still end up in the dreaded (at least for > me) Alamo?
> Bowl.?
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> So, win out, we get the Alamo Bowl. Lose to Ohio St. and Win 2, we > get the?
> Alamo Bowl. (Mich St. and Minny go to the Outback and Citrus > Bowls. Win 1,?
> we still get the Alamo Bowl.?
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> It feels like Catch 22. Can anyone wake me up? Happily??
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> Lou Martinaitis, '68,'69?
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