[NU Sports] NU recent past recruiting history stats

Fri Feb 8 07:16:14 CST 2008

I'm not sure how they come up with "stars" now - but someone did a study of Div
I recruiting ratings early on in the recruiting site wars and tracked the 5 and
4 star kids to see how they performed over time.

The 5 star kids, barring injury or legal issues, were truly impact players -
guys who started early in college and who played on Sunday.
The 4 star's were more likely to play a significant role in their team of
choice, not as many played early [before their Junior years]
3 star kids were important in the long haul, but I think I remember that they
usually didn't have much impact until they were RS Juniors.

What amazed me about the ESPN radio guys Wed night was that they were very
pointed in their evaluation of the Evil Empire's lack of performance given the
supposed quality of their recruits. I think it was Salisbury who pointed out all
the 5 star QBs who have signed with ND but who have now left the program.

They also pointed out that Miami U had made an effort to defend Florida from
outside schools - they cleaned up on kids from two top FL programs which was how
they earned ESPN's #1 ranking.

For whatever reasons, NU has not enjoyed the presence of the immediate
difference makers having to allow our recruits the time to develop into decent
players. Despite all the growling over various assistants, under Walker, NU had
a good record of players improving from their virtually unknown status to NFL
stars, Barry Cofield and Luis Castillo being two salient examples. Napo and
Gardner played big roles after they were drafted but injuries have taken a toll
on their performance of late. Not sure about all the running backs, but Wright
and maybe Herron have settled into significant roles for their teams. Jury is
still out on Basanez.

The point is that none of these guys were rated higher than 3 stars by either
service. I wonder if Tom Lemming's "super" ratings aren't a better predictor of
future play?

New OC, New DC, New D-Line and a couple of new assistant coordinators - they're
on display now, and how they use these 3 star kids over the next three years
will tell the tale.

rsl

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> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
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> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU recent past recruiting history stats
> 
> I looked at that the numbers, but I also looked at who has been worth their
> stars and who has overachieved.
> 
> ** Overachievers aka 2 stars players that had or are having good careers **
> 2002 Marquice Cole No stars, Shaun Herbert 2 stars, Tim McGarigle 2 stars,
> Mark Philmore 2 stars
> 
> 2003 Nick Roach 2 stars, Kim Thompson 2 stars
> 
> 2004 Ross Lane 2 stars
> 
> 2005 Brendan Smith 2 stars
> 
> 2006 Sherrick McMannis 2 stars
> 
> 2007 Drake Dunsmore 2 stars
> 
> ** Underachievers or people I don't recall **
> 2002 Joseph Ferguson, Brandon Horn(played, but not as good as Philmore or
> Herbert), Derell Jenkins, Rick McDole,  Loren Howard(played well when here,
> but if one transfers they are no use to the program)
> 
> 2003 Warren Anderson, Sam Cheatam, Chris Malleo(I liked the way he hit, but
> he could not get on the field), Fred McConnell
> 
> 2004 The 2 three stars were well spent with Bacher and Mims
> 
> 2005 Ramon Diaz, Chris Jeske(like a transfer an injury does us no good),
> Kurt Mattes
> 
> 2006 & 2007 are too new to judge
> 
> Note:  I probably missed from O-line that overachieved, but without
> watching game film it is hard to grade them accurately.
> 
> -- "Chris and Lori Patterson" <cp2m at enterprisesw.com> wrote:
> Here are some stats from Rivals:
> http://northwestern.rivals.com/commitlist.asp
> 
> I'll let someone else do the interpreting.
> 
> 
> 
> Class       Num. Signing            Num. 3 stars or higher
> 
> 2008        20                      6
> 
> 2007        19                      14
> 
> 2006        17                      4
> 
> 2005        20                      10
> 
> 2004        13                      2
> 
> 2003        22                      8
> 
> 2002        22                      7
> 
> 
> 
> Totals:     133                     51
> 
> 
> 
> Ave percent per year:               38% of class on avg. is a 3 star (or
> higher)
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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> 
> Actually, NU did pretty well everything considered.  Six of the 20 players
> signed were given three star ratings by Rivals,com.  NU was ranked 73rd in
> th country and tenth in the Big Ten.  Indiana was last.
> 
> 
> 
> John DeGroat
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> From: Hakirsch at aol.com
> 
> > Without several assistants, I wonder if we will rank 12th in the
> conference
> 
> > for recruting this year
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