From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Apr  1 12:35:20 2008
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr  1 12:35:48 2008
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] Basketball
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-----Original Message-----
From: cherron604@aol.com
To: jthiegs@goldengate.net
Sent: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 12:34 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball



Wow - hearing all this basketball recruiting talk makes me realize that we lose out on all aspects of the basketball experience - 

?

The past...nobody at NU today will have basketball memories even as 'passably ok' as my memories of the Rich Falk team that made the NIT, or Ricky Birdsong's 'walk on the wild side'.? All they'll have is forgotten boring games featuring nameless players.? I still remember beating Digger Phelps in the NIT, getting robbed by Ray Meyer, putting up a good fight against Xavier...

?

The present...postseason basketball is a national craze, but we at NU have come to accept that BC will never see a postseason - probably not even an NIT at the rate he is going.? 

The future...other schools and alums get to follow the hunt for the hot recruits, to see how their recruiting class fared against the rest of the Big 10.? We always end up number 11, with no big names, no good stories in the paper, nothing really.? Our message board fills up with Minnesota/Wisconsin recruiting talk and IU coach/AD talk, and all we really have to talk about is where will we watch opening-round tournament games in 2009 - because we know NU will be on the sidelines.

If Bill Carmody had any character or self-respect, he would step down immediately after such an horrific tenure as basketball coach, and go back to the Ivy League where he might be able to accomplish somethintg.? Instead, he keeps cashing a big paycheck, living large on the North Shore while burying the program deeper and deeper.

Would any other?major conference program put up with the pointless Carmody experiment ?? I'm not even sure many mid-majors would have tolerated the irrelevancy that he has saddled the program with.

And while I have generally been a fan of President Bienen, he should quit protecting his buddy BC and let the new AD start the arduous task of finding somebody to build a respectable basketball program.?

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Thiegs <jthiegs@goldengate.net>
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
Cc: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) <Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 8:14 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball



Yeah, Minnesota and Wisconsin just renewed the reciprocity agreement last year--but not before the University of Minnesota threatened to pull out. The deal provided that students would pay the in-state tuition rate for their home state. Thus, because the U of M had higher tuition than UW-Madison, Wisconsin kids were paying less to go to the U than native Minnesotans. (Likewise, Minnesotans paid more to go to Madison than native Wisconsonites but it was still less than UW out-of-state tuition.) The State of Wisconsin paid a make-up amount to the State of Minnesota every year, but it went to the state's general fund as opposed to the U. So the U threatened not to renew unless the system was fixed. Now I think the system is the same as before except that the Wisconsin make-up amount is paid to the U instead of the State of Minnesota. Minnesota has tuition reciprocity with Wisconsin and North Dakota (and perhaps South Dakota too), but not Iowa. In any event, it's not much of a di
 fference-maker for athletes on scholarship, except that there are lots of Wisconsin kids going to Minnesota and lots of Minnesota kids going to Madison in the general student populations.?
?
Bo got two or three of the top Minnesota players this year (including Jordan Taylor and four-star Jared Berggren), with another star going to Iowa, and I think there are zero Minnesota kids in Tubby's first full class. However, recruiting heats up around ninth or tenth grade for these top kids, and Tubby didn't get to Minnesota until their senior year. Plus, I don't think too many Gopher fans are crying about Tubby's first class--top 20 by virtually all accounts and possibly top-10 according to some. Still, Berggren would have been a nice get, especially after losing Jon Leuer to Bucky last year and several others to UW and Michigan State over the past several years.?
?
-Joe?
?
SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:?
> Good point - especially since the UW and UM systems?
> are so intertwined (not sure if they still offer it,?
> but when I was in high school, I could get in-state?
> tuition for UW or UM schools and vice versa for?
> Minnesota grads). Still, I hear Tubby's upset by who?
> Bo snuck out of the Land of 10,000 Lakes this year for?
> recruiting.?
>?
> But ugh - not a good day for the Big Ten yesterday but?
> still a better tourney for us than most predicted.?
> We'll be back. The talent level of the coaches in this?
> league is really getting good from top to bottom -?
> this was a transition year, but soon Iowa, Minnesota?
> and Michigan will be up there with Wisky, MSU and OSU.?
> Heck, Purdue jumped ahead of schedule and made the?
> leap this year.?
>?
> The big question league-wise (other than us - who?
> appear to have a well-respected coach but no results)?
> appears to be in the two Assembly Halls. Indiana needs?
> to get a big name to stay big time. Their AD took a?
> stupid risk on Sampson and it's gonna hurt them - but?
> not making a good "next hire" could be even worse. And?
> at Illinois, there's no doubt Webber can coach. Few?
> coaches get as much out of their players consistently?
> as Webber. But he just can't recruit. Every big-name?
> recruit in Illinois has gone elsewhere under Webber's?
> reign and he needs to do something about that in a?
> hurry.?
>?
> Here's hoping the regional finals are a heck of a lot?
> more interesting than those Sweet 16 blah-outs.?
>?
> GO CATS!!!?
> -SjT?
>?
>?
> --- Joe Thiegs <jthiegs@goldengate.net> wrote:?
>?
> >> Also, Wisconsin regularly got some of the best?
>> Minnesota players while >> Dan Monson was the Gophers coach (same thing for?
>> football with Barry >> >?
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> sjtruog@yahoo.com?
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Apr  1 12:57:50 2008
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr  1 12:58:34 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
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I must be the only one on here who thinks so, but I have always had a fondness?for sitting outside, with friends or family on a warm summer night, consuming hotdogs and 'various beverages' (beer ?), while explaning the vagaries of scorekeeping to my nephew, and loudly reminiscing about the great game I saw Wilbur Wood pitch, or one of Dick Allen's awesome homeruns - memories usually met with yawns, or preferably, other friends' equally?fond (but quirky) stories.

I love football, but at most football games you cant spread out over several seats, converse with friends knowing you won't miss much important, or just stare off into the night sky, savoring that scent of cooling hot dogs intermingled with warming beer - all for a few bucks a ticket (if you don't mind the cheap seats, which I don't).

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


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From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 1:38 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Basketball



> We go to a couple of Cubs games a year and I am
> fidgety as there is so much downtime.  This does not
> happen with football.  I am constantly involved even
> during timeouts.

Gotta agree with the big B word on baseball.:)

And this is coming from someone who coaches little
league and loves to see kids play the game. I just
can't watch it on TV or even in person more than once
or twice a year.

A couple of reasons ...

The action vs. downtime ratio is far more thrilling in
football. And as much as you might hear groans about
the timeouts and a 4-hour football game, it's still
far more exciting than a 3.5-hour baseball game.

Baseball overall is not as much of a team game
compared to football. A good pitcher could make the
majority of the other players on the field irrelevant,
where as a great running back still needs seven men
blocking in front of him to achieve success.

Football seems to involve more strategy, or at least
strategy that pays off. Baseball is more percentages
and luck (30% is great at hitting, no so good for pass
completions).

Finally, in regards to professional baseball
specifically, it's not competitive or fair. Today is
opening day and 20+ major league teams are already out
of it. Sure, one may put together a feel-good run to
win one of the weaker divisions (or major divisions if
a big-market team totally collapses), but they'll
never win the title. My hometown Brewers have done
everything right in building up talent in the minors,
drafting smart, etc. and have a good young team. They
won't win the title though, and they better win the
division this year or next before Boston, New York and
LA sign their stars in free agency because the small
markets can't afford them.

Contrast that to football, where some of the most
successful franchises of the past decades - Green Bay,
Buffalo, Indianapolis, etc. - have been in smaller
markets. Sure, New York still wins it all some years,
but at least every fan feels they have a level playing
field and a chance.

I can't for the life of me see why fans in Kansas
City, Pittsburgh, etc. keep showing up. Even if they
get a good young talent, they'll be gone soon and
their team will never have a shot under the current
structure of the league.

Oh well, my annual baseball rant is off my chest.:) 

Go Brewers! At least until Lucy, er New York or
Boston, pulls away that football.:)

And speaking of which, bring on spring football!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Apr  1 13:02:12 2008
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr  1 13:02:32 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
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This Bears fan would like to see a Packer downturn also - but I have my doubts whether the Rex Grossman/Cedric Benson/no wideout Bears will be in any position to take advantage of that downturn.

If only they'd change the rules so that Devin Hester could return a kick on every play...

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
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From: Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 2:26 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball



> I can't for the life of me see why fans in Kansas
> City, Pittsburgh, etc. keep showing up. Even if they
> get a good young talent, they'll be gone soon and
> their team will never have a shot under the current
> structure of the league.

I agree with regards to KC, a city that hasn't had a lot to cheer about in
professional sports in a long time (though Chiefs fans are still rabid about
their team.)

However, Green Bay has 4 Super Bowl appearances and 3 championships, while 
Pittsburgh has 6 Super Bowl appearances and 5 championships, so in the
modern era the Steelers have been a little more successful.

GB's last Super Bowl appearance was in the 1997-98 season (losing to Denver),
Pittsburth's last Super Bowl appearance was in the 2005-06 season (winning
against Seattle.)   

With Favre retired, Green Bay may be in for a few rough years.  This Bears
fan will not be completely upset about that. :-)
--
Mike Nolan

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From Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com  Tue Apr  1 14:28:45 2008
From: Jeff.Beamsley at covisint.com (Beamsley, Jeff)
Date: Tue Apr  1 14:29:03 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
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Chuck,

I couldn't agree with you more regarding baseball.  It is the opera of
sport.  It is a taste best acquired at an early age from an older wiser
relative.  I've often said that best way to teach a kid how to
appreciate baseball is to teach them how to use a scorecard.

I love football too, but it is a very different experience.  Football is
about contact and weather and that feeling as a kid that you were
invicible.  Baseball is about blue skies, warm weather, endless days, a
well worn glove, and the feeling that you could play this game forever
and never get tired.

Jeff 


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball

I must be the only one on here who thinks so, but I have always had a
fondness?for sitting outside, with friends or family on a warm summer
night, consuming hotdogs and 'various beverages' (beer ?), while
explaning the vagaries of scorekeeping to my nephew, and loudly
reminiscing about the great game I saw Wilbur Wood pitch, or one of Dick
Allen's awesome homeruns - memories usually met with yawns, or
preferably, other friends' equally?fond (but quirky) stories.

I love football, but at most football games you cant spread out over
several seats, converse with friends knowing you won't miss much
important, or just stare off into the night sky, savoring that scent of
cooling hot dogs intermingled with warming beer - all for a few bucks a
ticket (if you don't mind the cheap seats, which I don't).

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 1:38 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Basketball



> We go to a couple of Cubs games a year and I am fidgety as there is so

> much downtime.  This does not happen with football.  I am constantly 
> involved even during timeouts.

Gotta agree with the big B word on baseball.:)

And this is coming from someone who coaches little league and loves to
see kids play the game. I just can't watch it on TV or even in person
more than once or twice a year.

A couple of reasons ...

The action vs. downtime ratio is far more thrilling in football. And as
much as you might hear groans about the timeouts and a 4-hour football
game, it's still far more exciting than a 3.5-hour baseball game.

Baseball overall is not as much of a team game compared to football. A
good pitcher could make the majority of the other players on the field
irrelevant, where as a great running back still needs seven men blocking
in front of him to achieve success.

Football seems to involve more strategy, or at least strategy that pays
off. Baseball is more percentages and luck (30% is great at hitting, no
so good for pass completions).

Finally, in regards to professional baseball specifically, it's not
competitive or fair. Today is opening day and 20+ major league teams are
already out of it. Sure, one may put together a feel-good run to win one
of the weaker divisions (or major divisions if a big-market team totally
collapses), but they'll never win the title. My hometown Brewers have
done everything right in building up talent in the minors, drafting
smart, etc. and have a good young team. They won't win the title though,
and they better win the division this year or next before Boston, New
York and LA sign their stars in free agency because the small markets
can't afford them.

Contrast that to football, where some of the most successful franchises
of the past decades - Green Bay, Buffalo, Indianapolis, etc. - have been
in smaller markets. Sure, New York still wins it all some years, but at
least every fan feels they have a level playing field and a chance.

I can't for the life of me see why fans in Kansas City, Pittsburgh, etc.
keep showing up. Even if they get a good young talent, they'll be gone
soon and their team will never have a shot under the current structure
of the league.

Oh well, my annual baseball rant is off my chest.:) 

Go Brewers! At least until Lucy, er New York or Boston, pulls away that
football.:)

And speaking of which, bring on spring football!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


 
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Tue Apr  1 15:11:24 2008
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Tue Apr  1 15:11:42 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
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"Baseball is about blue skies, warm weather, endless days, a
well worn glove, and the feeling that you could play this game forever
and never get tired."

. . . which reminds me of the following story:

Two 90-year-old women, Rose and Barb, had been friends all of their lives.

When it was clear that Rose was dying, Barb said, "Rose, we both loved
playing softball. Please do me one favor; when you get to Heaven, let me
know if there's softball there."

Rose looked up at Barb from her deathbed and said, "Barb, if it's at all
possible, I'll do this favor for you." Shortly after that, she passed on.

At midnight a few nights later, Barb was awoken from a sound sleep by a
blinding flash of white light and a voice calling out to her, "Barb,
Barb..."

"Rose! Where are you?"

"In Heaven," replied Rose. "I have some really good news and a little bad
news."

"Tell me the good news first," said Barb.

"The good news," Rose said, "is that there's softball in Heaven. Better yet,
all of our old buddies who died before us are here, too. Better than that,
we're all young again. Better still, it's always springtime, and it never
rains or snows. And best of all, we can play softball all we want, and we
never get tired."

"That's fantastic," said Barb. "It's beyond my wildest dreams! So what's the
bad news?"

"You're pitching Tuesday."


[I heard that on Car Talk recently.  :)  -Joe ]



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Beamsley, Jeff
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:29 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Basketball

Chuck,

I couldn't agree with you more regarding baseball.  It is the opera of
sport.  It is a taste best acquired at an early age from an older wiser
relative.  I've often said that best way to teach a kid how to
appreciate baseball is to teach them how to use a scorecard.

I love football too, but it is a very different experience.  Football is
about contact and weather and that feeling as a kid that you were
invicible.  Baseball is about blue skies, warm weather, endless days, a
well worn glove, and the feeling that you could play this game forever
and never get tired.

Jeff 


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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Basketball

I must be the only one on here who thinks so, but I have always had a
fondness?for sitting outside, with friends or family on a warm summer
night, consuming hotdogs and 'various beverages' (beer ?), while
explaning the vagaries of scorekeeping to my nephew, and loudly
reminiscing about the great game I saw Wilbur Wood pitch, or one of Dick
Allen's awesome homeruns - memories usually met with yawns, or
preferably, other friends' equally?fond (but quirky) stories.

I love football, but at most football games you cant spread out over
several seats, converse with friends knowing you won't miss much
important, or just stare off into the night sky, savoring that scent of
cooling hot dogs intermingled with warming beer - all for a few bucks a
ticket (if you don't mind the cheap seats, which I don't).

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


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From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 1:38 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Basketball



> We go to a couple of Cubs games a year and I am fidgety as there is so

> much downtime.  This does not happen with football.  I am constantly 
> involved even during timeouts.

Gotta agree with the big B word on baseball.:)

And this is coming from someone who coaches little league and loves to
see kids play the game. I just can't watch it on TV or even in person
more than once or twice a year.

A couple of reasons ...

The action vs. downtime ratio is far more thrilling in football. And as
much as you might hear groans about the timeouts and a 4-hour football
game, it's still far more exciting than a 3.5-hour baseball game.

Baseball overall is not as much of a team game compared to football. A
good pitcher could make the majority of the other players on the field
irrelevant, where as a great running back still needs seven men blocking
in front of him to achieve success.

Football seems to involve more strategy, or at least strategy that pays
off. Baseball is more percentages and luck (30% is great at hitting, no
so good for pass completions).

Finally, in regards to professional baseball specifically, it's not
competitive or fair. Today is opening day and 20+ major league teams are
already out of it. Sure, one may put together a feel-good run to win one
of the weaker divisions (or major divisions if a big-market team totally
collapses), but they'll never win the title. My hometown Brewers have
done everything right in building up talent in the minors, drafting
smart, etc. and have a good young team. They won't win the title though,
and they better win the division this year or next before Boston, New
York and LA sign their stars in free agency because the small markets
can't afford them.

Contrast that to football, where some of the most successful franchises
of the past decades - Green Bay, Buffalo, Indianapolis, etc. - have been
in smaller markets. Sure, New York still wins it all some years, but at
least every fan feels they have a level playing field and a chance.

I can't for the life of me see why fans in Kansas City, Pittsburgh, etc.
keep showing up. Even if they get a good young talent, they'll be gone
soon and their team will never have a shot under the current structure
of the league.

Oh well, my annual baseball rant is off my chest.:) 

Go Brewers! At least until Lucy, er New York or Boston, pulls away that
football.:)

And speaking of which, bring on spring football!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


 
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Apr  1 16:10:44 2008
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr  1 16:09:45 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
Message-ID: <d2d.25bb3c00.3523fed4@aol.com>

Baseball is romance, poetry, passion, languorous Summer afternoons,  glorious 
and crisp Fall days.  It is still, for my money, the ultimate  sport.  The 
only thing that comes close these days is "March Madness" and  sometimes the NFL 
Playoffs.  And then, of course, there is NU  football.....
 
But the heart of this New Yorker will always beat most profoundly for the  
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 19:43:11 2008
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Apr  1 19:43:25 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] KO out at U of A
Message-ID: <121692.69895.qm@web52909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Guess losing to ASU twice and underachieving with a
team full of talent ticked off some folks at Arizona
and Kevin O'Neill's natural, um, charm didn't help.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/ua/articles/0401lute.html

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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Wed Apr  2 08:06:33 2008
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Apr  2 08:06:55 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] KO out at U of A
Message-ID: <040220081306.24404.47F384D8000F197900005F542216525806090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Maybe ASU would like to take Carmody off of our hands.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
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> Guess losing to ASU twice and underachieving with a
> team full of talent ticked off some folks at Arizona
> and Kevin O'Neill's natural, um, charm didn't help.
> 
> http://www.azcentral.com/sports/ua/articles/0401lute.html
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Thu Apr  3 14:21:25 2008
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Apr  3 14:21:53 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Tom Crean vs Carmody
Message-ID: <040320081921.9038.47F52E35000082D70000234E2216551406090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

If anyone saw the interview with Crean on the BTN you heard him articulate some of the key factors that he sees for success.  They included having body strength, the ability to drive  through traffic and to be in top physical condition.  None of thee characteristics can be found in  the way Carmody coaches.  

John DeGroat

From WildElk2 at aol.com  Thu Apr  3 18:59:04 2008
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Thu Apr  3 18:59:20 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Lacrosse/Basketball
Message-ID: <bd8.2ee35e0e.3526c948@aol.com>


Wildelk knows that it's the 3rd Spring practice, but there's  something I 
need to get off my chest:
   We win 31 straight in Lacrosse; we've won 3 titles in a row,  and...a new 
field is built!  Meanwhile, our basketball team languishes in a  dump, and not 
one word is mentioned about a new stadium. It occurred to me that  no one in 
their right mind would take the coaching job as it's obvious that out  of 11 
teams in the Big 10, we are 11th in caring whether or not we excell.
   My .02:  Carmody, if given the proper resourses, would  (or will) win a 
lot of games.  I point toward Sterling Williams.   While he may not be the 
answer to our prayers, its what he stands for. A toehold  into the public league; 
its brought us Jeremy Nash and Michael Thompson, and  most of agree that 
Thompson is a player. (not sure that Williams and Nash  are)  Capocci and Ryan may 
turn out to be O.K. and the recruits coming in  look to be a step up.
   I'm pissed s hell as our basketball team has stepped  back.  Our defense 
sucked, and we were out-rebounded by a large  margin  offensively and defensiv
ely.  As many posters has pointed out,  the conference after 6,7 years is 
figuring out the Princeton offense.  But  as Dennis (TBNG) has pointed out, "It's 
the talent, stupid."
   Now there are those who say that Carmedy can't recruit  talent.  Gee, I 
wonder why?  It's not the coaches fault!  Until  our University/athletic 
supporters (jocks:)) draw the line and insist on  excellance like GB did, we will be 
10-20 every season.  Don't blame the  coach.
 
    Football post will be coming soon, but I'm ecstatic over  Louis Ayeni 
joining our staff.  One of the hardest hitters I've seen don  the purple (and 
he's on offense!); there will be no question about our  effort.
 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Apr  6 19:28:18 2008
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Apr  6 19:17:12 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] RIP - CH
Message-ID: <002801c89846$4721cfb0$d5656f10$@com>

NU lost one of its best known former students in the death of Charlton Heston.

You may have not agreed with his later politics, but there was no finer example
of an actor from the School of Speech in the early 40's than Heston.

He was a big supporter of the School - he reportedly raised a whole bunch of
money in the 50's and 60's for the school but his conversion from political
liberal to conservative really ticked off the powers that be in the school. On
the wall of "Famous Alumni" in Nicolette, his absence really stands out.

In his autobiography he credits the Goldwater campaign for his conversion -
Goldwater had billboards up "In your heart you know he's right," and Heston
reported that he saw one in the summer of 64 every day as he went to a location
on the coast of California. He said in his book that one day he had an epiphany
and changed political sides.

Love his politics or hate them, Charlton Heston was one of NU's leading faces on
the silver screen. At least now we'll get to see a few more of his movies.

He never formally graduated from NU, but his official obit by the AP reports
that he attended the Northwestern University School of Speech!

Just like I did.

rsl

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Apr 11 08:49:10 2008
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Apr 11 08:49:40 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
Message-ID: <d0f.2678f8d6.3530c656@aol.com>

Notre Dame got a 5-4 victory over the top-ranked Wolverines in the Frozen  
Four semifinals.  It really irks me that I used to play ND when I was on  the 
hockey club team and now ND has moved into the big time and NU looks like a  
community college in a sport in which we could excel with a commitment of a  
little time and money.
 
 
 
 





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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sat Apr 12 19:11:57 2008
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Apr 12 19:12:12 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
Message-ID: <041320080011.22631.48014FCD0004FFEF000058672216538496090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Might make sense to dump BB which will never amount to anything at NU and make hockey the major wintrr sport.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> Notre Dame got a 5-4 victory over the top-ranked Wolverines in the Frozen  
> Four semifinals.  It really irks me that I used to play ND when I was on  the 
> hockey club team and now ND has moved into the big time and NU looks like a  
> community college in a sport in which we could excel with a commitment of a  
> little time and money.
>  
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Apr 15 07:00:48 2008
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Apr 15 07:02:50 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
Message-ID: <20080415.070048.5082.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com>

At a fast break club event somebody asked Bienen about varsity hockey.

His response was an emphatic "no chance".

Not only are male scholys difficult, but hockey is an expensive sport as a rink is required.  Rental at Robert Crown which is a dump is expensive, besides the fact they have permanently kicked out the club hockey team.

We give to hockey each year, but without a big dollar donor like golf(Gleacher) there is no way it will move forward.

When Maureen and I make our first $150M we will build a rink and establish varsity sports in figure skating, sychronized skating, and male hockey.  We'll let you know when season hockey tickets go on sale ;-)

-- johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
Might make sense to dump BB which will never amount to anything at NU and make hockey the major wintrr sport.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> Notre Dame got a 5-4 victory over the top-ranked Wolverines in the Frozen  
> Four semifinals.  It really irks me that I used to play ND when I was on  the 
> hockey club team and now ND has moved into the big time and NU looks like a  
> community college in a sport in which we could excel with a commitment of a  
> little time and money.
>  
>  
>  
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Apr 15 07:37:10 2008
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Apr 15 07:37:28 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
References: <20080415.070048.5082.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <020f01c89ef5$6d539730$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

And the moment NU establishes a men's hockey team, they will have to add a 
woman's varsity sport for balance.

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
Cc: <Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Frozen Four


> At a fast break club event somebody asked Bienen about varsity hockey.
>
> His response was an emphatic "no chance".
>
> Not only are male scholys difficult, but hockey is an expensive sport as a 
> rink is required.  Rental at Robert Crown which is a dump is expensive, 
> besides the fact they have permanently kicked out the club hockey team.
>
> We give to hockey each year, but without a big dollar donor like 
> golf(Gleacher) there is no way it will move forward.
>
> When Maureen and I make our first $150M we will build a rink and establish 
> varsity sports in figure skating, sychronized skating, and male hockey. 
> We'll let you know when season hockey tickets go on sale ;-)
>
> -- johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> Might make sense to dump BB which will never amount to anything at NU and 
> make hockey the major wintrr sport.
>
> John DeGroat
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
>> Notre Dame got a 5-4 victory over the top-ranked Wolverines in the Frozen
>> Four semifinals.  It really irks me that I used to play ND when I was on 
>> the
>> hockey club team and now ND has moved into the big time and NU looks like 
>> a
>> community college in a sport in which we could excel with a commitment of 
>> a
>> little time and money.
>>
>>
>>
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Tue Apr 15 10:01:44 2008
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Tue Apr 15 10:02:01 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
In-Reply-To: <020f01c89ef5$6d539730$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
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That's easy . . . women's hockey!   -Joe

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:37 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Frozen Four

And the moment NU establishes a men's hockey team, they will have to add a 
woman's varsity sport for balance.

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
Cc: <Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Frozen Four


> At a fast break club event somebody asked Bienen about varsity hockey.
>
> His response was an emphatic "no chance".
>
> Not only are male scholys difficult, but hockey is an expensive sport as a

> rink is required.  Rental at Robert Crown which is a dump is expensive, 
> besides the fact they have permanently kicked out the club hockey team.
>
> We give to hockey each year, but without a big dollar donor like 
> golf(Gleacher) there is no way it will move forward.
>
> When Maureen and I make our first $150M we will build a rink and establish

> varsity sports in figure skating, sychronized skating, and male hockey. 
> We'll let you know when season hockey tickets go on sale ;-)
>
> -- johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> Might make sense to dump BB which will never amount to anything at NU and 
> make hockey the major wintrr sport.
>
> John DeGroat
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
>> Notre Dame got a 5-4 victory over the top-ranked Wolverines in the Frozen
>> Four semifinals.  It really irks me that I used to play ND when I was on 
>> the
>> hockey club team and now ND has moved into the big time and NU looks like

>> a
>> community college in a sport in which we could excel with a commitment of

>> a
>> little time and money.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Apr 15 09:55:09 2008
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Apr 15 10:13:08 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
In-Reply-To: <020f01c89ef5$6d539730$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
References: <20080415.070048.5082.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com>
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That one is easy - add Women's Hockey at the same time....

The Ladies will probably win the Big 10 in their 3rd year, Frozen 4 in the
fourth....

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:37 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
> 
> And the moment NU establishes a men's hockey team, they will have to add a
> woman's varsity sport for balance.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mlinhardt@netzero.net>
> To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
> Cc: <Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
> 
> 
> > At a fast break club event somebody asked Bienen about varsity hockey.
> >
> > His response was an emphatic "no chance".
> >
> > Not only are male scholys difficult, but hockey is an expensive sport as
> a
> > rink is required.  Rental at Robert Crown which is a dump is expensive,
> > besides the fact they have permanently kicked out the club hockey team.
> >
> > We give to hockey each year, but without a big dollar donor like
> > golf(Gleacher) there is no way it will move forward.
> >
> > When Maureen and I make our first $150M we will build a rink and
> establish
> > varsity sports in figure skating, sychronized skating, and male hockey.
> > We'll let you know when season hockey tickets go on sale ;-)
> >
> > -- johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> > Might make sense to dump BB which will never amount to anything at NU and
> > make hockey the major wintrr sport.
> >
> > John DeGroat
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> >> Notre Dame got a 5-4 victory over the top-ranked Wolverines in the
> Frozen
> >> Four semifinals.  It really irks me that I used to play ND when I was on
> >> the
> >> hockey club team and now ND has moved into the big time and NU looks
> like
> >> a
> >> community college in a sport in which we could excel with a commitment
> of
> >> a
> >> little time and money.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Apr 15 10:15:31 2008
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr 15 10:16:12 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
Message-ID: <ca1.2cff2236.35362093@aol.com>

and they would probably win a national title while the men's team would  lose 
to the Pekin all stars.  Bienen is a jerk maybe his replacement will  see the 
light.  Isn't there a big rink in Rosemont.
 
 
In a message dated 4/15/2008 11:03:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Apr 15 11:33:30 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
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Joe - 

The problem with Hockey is that 85% of Americans either don't understand it, or
don't care.

I'd rather see us play Men's Lacrosse or maybe add Track.

rsl

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> 
> and they would probably win a national title while the men's team would
> lose
> to the Pekin all stars.  Bienen is a jerk maybe his replacement will  see
> the
> light.  Isn't there a big rink in Rosemont.
> 
> 
> In a message dated 4/15/2008 11:03:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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> 
> That's  easy . . . women's hockey!    -Joe
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 15 13:32:30 2008
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Apr 15 13:32:44 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
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> Joe - 
> 
> The problem with Hockey is that 85% of Americans
> either don't understand it, or
> don't care.

Hey, I'd love to see an NU hockey team as much as
anyone. But the cost would just be too much for NU.
Forget about all the equipment or a practice rink -
where would we even play?

> I'd rather see us play Men's Lacrosse or maybe add
> Track.

Not sure about track - not a huge thing in Big Ten
country and we'd have to re-renovate the stadium.

But men's lacrosse should *definitely* be something we
push for - it's relatively cheap, it's growing rapidly
in popularity nationwide, its athletes are usually
higher-caliber students and NU eligible ... plus we
have a great model to go from in building our team
with the women's team.

I could definitely see NU adding men's lacrosse in the
future and being quite successful at it.

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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Apr 15 13:54:03 2008
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Apr 15 13:56:19 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
Message-ID: <20080415.135403.27705.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

I suggested 2 women's sports figure skating and sychronized skating.  

There is already a club synchro team and that is 13 females and with a half dozen figure skaters you would have a good size male hockey team.

We did have a female club hockey team for a while, but I think they have disbanded as we have not heard further from them.

I would love to see club triathlon become a varsity sport as this is my personal passion, but the north is awful for college triathlon.  Chicago tri season starts in late may and the season is at its height in late July.

-- "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
And the moment NU establishes a men's hockey team, they will have to add a 
woman's varsity sport for balance.

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> At a fast break club event somebody asked Bienen about varsity hockey.
>
> His response was an emphatic "no chance".
>
> Not only are male scholys difficult, but hockey is an expensive sport as a 
> rink is required.  Rental at Robert Crown which is a dump is expensive, 
> besides the fact they have permanently kicked out the club hockey team.
>
> We give to hockey each year, but without a big dollar donor like 
> golf(Gleacher) there is no way it will move forward.
>
> When Maureen and I make our first $150M we will build a rink and establish 
> varsity sports in figure skating, sychronized skating, and male hockey. 
> We'll let you know when season hockey tickets go on sale ;-)
>
> -- johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> Might make sense to dump BB which will never amount to anything at NU and 
> make hockey the major wintrr sport.
>
> John DeGroat
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
>> Notre Dame got a 5-4 victory over the top-ranked Wolverines in the Frozen
>> Four semifinals.  It really irks me that I used to play ND when I was on 
>> the
>> hockey club team and now ND has moved into the big time and NU looks like 
>> a
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Apr 15 14:10:49 2008
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr 15 14:11:13 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
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With the country in a recession, the dollar tanking against world currencies, inflation (especially food) surging higher and oil in the neighborhood of $115 a barrel, we should probably be talking sports contraction.? The transportation costs for 2008-2009 will be substantially higher than this year.? Attendance (in the sports that anybody bothers to attend) figures to be even worse, with $4.00 gas and huge mark-ups on airline tickets.

And are we going to see $6 cold hot dogs in stale buns at Dyche ?

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I suggested 2 women's sports figure skating and sychronized skating.  

There is already a club synchro team and that is 13 females and with a half 
dozen figure skaters you would have a good size male hockey team.

We did have a female club hockey team for a while, but I think they have 
disbanded as we have not heard further from them.

I would love to see club triathlon become a varsity sport as this is my personal 
passion, but the north is awful for college triathlon.  Chicago tri season 
starts in late may and the season is at its height in late July.

-- "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
And the moment NU establishes a men's hockey team, they will have to add a 
woman's varsity sport for balance.

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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Frozen Four


> At a fast break club event somebody asked Bienen about varsity hockey.
>
> His response was an emphatic "no chance".
>
> Not only are male scholys difficult, but hockey is an expensive sport as a 
> rink is required.  Rental at Robert Crown which is a dump is expensive, 
> besides the fact they have permanently kicked out the club hockey team.
>
> We give to hockey each year, but without a big dollar donor like 
> golf(Gleacher) there is no way it will move forward.
>
> When Maureen and I make our first $150M we will build a rink and establish 
> varsity sports in figure skating, sychronized skating, and male hockey. 
> We'll let you know when season hockey tickets go on sale ;-)
>
> -- johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> Might make sense to dump BB which will never amount to anything at NU and 
> make hockey the major wintrr sport.
>
> John DeGroat
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
>> Notre Dame got a 5-4 victory over the top-ranked Wolverines in the Frozen
>> Four semifinals.  It really irks me that I used to play ND when I was on 
>> the
>> hockey club team and now ND has moved into the big time and NU looks like 
>> a
>> community college in a sport in which we could excel with a commitment of 
>> a
>> little time and money.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Apr 15 17:02:12 2008
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Apr 15 17:04:18 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
Message-ID: <20080415.170212.5753.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>

Definitely gas prices are painful for a decent section of the economy, but that has not changed the driving habits of anybody I know.  They still buy the gas wasters and drive walkable/bikeable distances.

Food price inflation is annoying, but not painful for Americans as we spend so little as a percentage of income.  I will lend credence to the pain it causes as soon as I see less people at Starbucks.

Personally I believe a lot of the down economy is just panic rather than fundamental weakness.  My company(iron foundry) and Maureen's(electronic contract manufacturing) are both booming and on pace for record years.  If those of us who are with stable/prosperous companies act scared that is what will really drag the economy down.

I would bet that 99% of the people who attend NU games have in-control mortgages, well-funded 401Ks, stable jobs, and no consumer debt.

I do agree about the cold hot dogs.  Yuck!

Chuck wote...
With the country in a recession, the dollar tanking against world currencies, inflation (especially food) surging higher and oil in the neighborhood of $115 a barrel, we should probably be talking sports contraction.  The transportation costs for 2008-2009 will be substantially higher than this year.  Attendance (in the sports that anybody bothers to attend) figures to be even worse, with $4.00 gas and huge mark-ups on airline tickets.

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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Wed Apr 16 07:08:24 2008
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Apr 16 07:08:40 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
Message-ID: <041620081208.15479.4805EC38000CC37F00003C772215586394090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Not to get into the politics of  this, bur when the myopic greenies blocked drilling for oil and unclear power and compounded the problem with the ethanol con game, two  things happened, the price of food sky-rocketed  particularly   for third world countries. but also for the lower income people in the US.  Add to that the lack of refining capacity in the US, and we have the makings of major economic problems worldwide.

John DeGroat
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From: "mlinhardt@netzero.net" <mlinhardt@netzero.net>
> Definitely gas prices are painful for a decent section of the economy, but that 
> has not changed the driving habits of anybody I know.  They still buy the gas 
> wasters and drive walkable/bikeable distances.
> 
> Food price inflation is annoying, but not painful for Americans as we spend so 
> little as a percentage of income.  I will lend credence to the pain it causes as 
> soon as I see less people at Starbucks.
> 
> Personally I believe a lot of the down economy is just panic rather than 
> fundamental weakness.  My company(iron foundry) and Maureen's(electronic 
> contract manufacturing) are both booming and on pace for record years.  If those 
> of us who are with stable/prosperous companies act scared that is what will 
> really drag the economy down.
> 
> I would bet that 99% of the people who attend NU games have in-control 
> mortgages, well-funded 401Ks, stable jobs, and no consumer debt.
> 
> I do agree about the cold hot dogs.  Yuck!
> 
> Chuck wote...
> With the country in a recession, the dollar tanking against world currencies, 
> inflation (especially food) surging higher and oil in the neighborhood of $115 a 
> barrel, we should probably be talking sports contraction.  The transportation 
> costs for 2008-2009 will be substantially higher than this year.  Attendance (in 
> the sports that anybody bothers to attend) figures to be even worse, with $4.00 
> gas and huge mark-ups on airline tickets.
> 
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>  
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Wed Apr 16 07:17:04 2008
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Apr 16 07:17:19 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
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The faculty PC police will never allow someone like Brown who cleaned up Colorado to come in as President.  The Colorado faculty had palpitations when Brwon came in because he wasn't a Phd and a Republcan on top of that..  John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> and they would probably win a national title while the men's team would  lose 
> to the Pekin all stars.  Bienen is a jerk maybe his replacement will  see the 
> light.  Isn't there a big rink in Rosemont.
>  
>  
> In a message dated 4/15/2008 11:03:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> thiegs@umn.edu writes:
> 
> That's  easy . . . women's hockey!    -Joe
> 
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From airsnod at aol.com  Wed Apr 16 11:28:26 2008
From: airsnod at aol.com (airsnod@aol.com)
Date: Wed Apr 16 11:29:15 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
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A couple thoughts as another?former club player and arena manager:

1) There is PLENTY of ice in the greater Chicago Metro area. In addition to high schools and townships, there are many private venues as well. Don't forget the Blackhawks have a practice rink for Bulls conflicts. Building a rink would be a massive investment of time, land and resources. Ice rental can be had for $100 to $300 an hour.

2) 85% of Americans may not care about hockey, but I'd wager that the 15% who do create a?larger following?than Lacrosse (don't ge me wrong, I like Lacrosse, but it's got a Maryland/Colorado following mostly). Also, think of the advantage a place like Minnesota has with an ADDITIONAL revenue sport (making it three, with women's hoops not-quite-breaking even).? BU dropped it's unprofitable football program, but retains it's profitable hockey program. Chicago is a hockey city, like Denver, Boston, and the Twin Cities. Unlike those places which EACH have multiple D1 teams, Chicago has none. I can tell you that the crowd I played in front of at Arizona (4,000 people during the weekend that Arizona played Arizona State to go to the Rose Bowl) was larger than almost every crowd in front of which they ever played.... there is an interest there.

3) Back in '96 on my last day at ESPN (then WLUP AM) we had Rick Taylor on-air. My parting question was when would NU get a hockey team, his response was when we'd get $21 it would cost to fund it. I think it could be done. I'm sure inflation has raised this price some, but....

4) I think women's hockey would be an excellent counter on the schollies. That sport is growing as well, with Quinnipec, St. Lawrence, Syracuse all starting teams this year. (I think maybe Notre Dame, too?)

5) I too am depressed that former teams I played against now?field D-I or D-III teams. 


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> Joe - 
> 
> The problem with Hockey is that 85% of Americans
> either don't understand it, or
> don't care.

Hey, I'd love to see an NU hockey team as much as
anyone. But the cost would just be too much for NU.
Forget about all the equipment or a practice rink -
where would we even play?

> I'd rather see us play Men's Lacrosse or maybe add
> Track.

Not sure about track - not a huge thing in Big Ten
country and we'd have to re-renovate the stadium.

But men's lacrosse should *definitely* be something we
push for - it's relatively cheap, it's growing rapidly
in popularity nationwide, its athletes are usually
higher-caliber students and NU eligible ... plus we
have a great model to go from in building our team
with the women's team.

I could definitely see NU adding men's lacrosse in the
future and being quite successful at it.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Wed Apr 16 13:58:54 2008
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Wed Apr 16 14:01:26 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
Message-ID: <20080416.135854.7222.0@webmail05.dca.untd.com>

Maureen writes...
There may be a lot of ice available, but how is the team going to get
there and how will they get the fans there if it's in (as an example)
Gurnee?

Marc writes..
Btw the club hockey games at highland park are practically attendance free(some parents).  Even Robert Crown is a decent haul from campus and by the el(Main Street stop) you still have to walk a mile or so through a shady neighborhood at night.

-- airsnod@aol.com wrote:
A couple thoughts as another?former club player and arena manager:

1) There is PLENTY of ice in the greater Chicago Metro area. In addition to high schools and townships, there are many private venues as well. Don't forget the Blackhawks have a practice rink for Bulls conflicts. Building a rink would be a massive investment of time, land and resources. Ice rental can be had for $100 to $300 an hour.

2) 85% of Americans may not care about hockey, but I'd wager that the 15% who do create a?larger following?than Lacrosse (don't ge me wrong, I like Lacrosse, but it's got a Maryland/Colorado following mostly). Also, think of the advantage a place like Minnesota has with an ADDITIONAL revenue sport (making it three, with women's hoops not-quite-breaking even).? BU dropped it's unprofitable football program, but retains it's profitable hockey program. Chicago is a hockey city, like Denver, Boston, and the Twin Cities. Unlike those places which EACH have multiple D1 teams, Chicago has none. I can tell you that the crowd I played in front of at Arizona (4,000 people during the weekend that Arizona played Arizona State to go to the Rose Bowl) was larger than almost every crowd in front of which they ever played.... there is an interest there.

3) Back in '96 on my last day at ESPN (then WLUP AM) we had Rick Taylor on-air. My parting question was when would NU get a hockey team, his response was when we'd get $21 it would cost to fund it. I think it could be done. I'm sure inflation has raised this price some, but....

4) I think women's hockey would be an excellent counter on the schollies. That sport is growing as well, with Quinnipec, St. Lawrence, Syracuse all starting teams this year. (I think maybe Notre Dame, too?)

5) I too am depressed that former teams I played against now?field D-I or D-III teams. 


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> Joe - 
> 
> The problem with Hockey is that 85% of Americans
> either don't understand it, or
> don't care.

Hey, I'd love to see an NU hockey team as much as
anyone. But the cost would just be too much for NU.
Forget about all the equipment or a practice rink -
where would we even play?

> I'd rather see us play Men's Lacrosse or maybe add
> Track.

Not sure about track - not a huge thing in Big Ten
country and we'd have to re-renovate the stadium.

But men's lacrosse should *definitely* be something we
push for - it's relatively cheap, it's growing rapidly
in popularity nationwide, its athletes are usually
higher-caliber students and NU eligible ... plus we
have a great model to go from in building our team
with the women's team.

I could definitely see NU adding men's lacrosse in the
future and being quite successful at it.

GO CATS!!!
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Apr 16 14:02:39 2008
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Apr 16 14:02:59 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] The cost of university athletics
Message-ID: <8CA6E0B934B717C-D6C-156D@webmail-de17.sysops.aol.com>

With the talk of adding a sport or two, and travel budgets, I found this article about Texas.

http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/longhorns/09/30/0930utsportsmain.html

It was noted that UT has made the decision to go with fewer varsity sports than many of its peers.

Some highlights

- $300 a day to bus players from the stadium to the practice field, so they don't risk crossing streets
- $43,000 for an underwater treadmill with video monitoring
- $15,020 for locker room recliners
- $537,000 for player rewards - letter jackets, watches, iPods
- $160,000 to change the seasonal 'Longhorn Sports Center' to a year-round TV production
- $93,000 party after the football National Championship
- $400,000 per game to host a home football game
??? - $3500/game for bomb-sniffing dogs
??? - $682/game for Mack Brown's personal Texas Ranger
??? - $50,000/game to operate the scoreboard
??? - $800/game to stock the football coaches wives' suite
- $9 Million - new scoreboard/video/sound system
- $3.9 Million - buy out the ad rights to the old scoreboard

All told, UT spends $210,000 per student athlete (ten times the national average)?- up from $113,000 in 2003.

I would like to see our budget breakdown - or perhaps I wouldn't...I'm guessing I'd get very depressed.

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Wed Apr 16 21:38:22 2008
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Wed Apr 16 21:38:54 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Frozen Four
In-Reply-To: <001801c89f16$6a5fa890$3f1ef9b0$@com>
References: <ca1.2cff2236.35362093@aol.com>
	<001801c89f16$6a5fa890$3f1ef9b0$@com>
Message-ID: <4806B81E.9000809@earthlink.net>

Reminds me of a quote from Jack Kent Cooke, who owned the Lakers and 
then brought NHL hockey to Los Angeles. When nobody showed up for Kings 
games in L.A. for many of those early years, Cooke said something like 
this:  "With all of the former Canadians who live in the Los Angeles 
area, I had thought that hockey would be much more popular. But now I 
know why they left Canada:  they hate hockey!"

Jim B.

Roy Lamberton wrote:
> The problem with Hockey is that 85% of Americans either don't understand it, or
> don't care.
>   

From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 17 04:45:23 2008
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Thu Apr 17 04:45:37 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Frozen Four
Message-ID: <618883.51453.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

And yet that's exactly what you did.

I grew up playing ice hockey and have been intrigued by the discussion on the list.  Let's keep it to that.

GO 'CATS!
Christopher Bailey
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----- Original Message ----

Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:08:24 +0000
From: johnadeg@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Frozen Four    

Not to get into the politics of this ... <snip>



From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 17 13:51:47 2008
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Apr 17 13:52:02 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Frozen Four
In-Reply-To: <618883.51453.qm@web50912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <590259.38874.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I think our student body base also has to factor in
here ... sure, Chicago may be a "hockey town" (I never
really felt it was compared to Boston, the Twin
Cities, etc. ... but I had friends who played it when
I lived there) - but our student body is not a
Chicagoland student body.

Minnesota, Michigan, MSU, Wisky, etc. have large
in-state students who grew up on hockey. Notre Dame,
while not regional, does draw heavily from the
northeast Catholic population that also has a hockey
background.

NU's student body is much more national and those kids
from California, the mid-Atlantic, etc. aren't big
hockey fans (the NHL keeps trying to force hockey in
the sunbelt but it hasn't worked). And the
higher-academic student body we have is probably more
suited to LAX than hockey or track.

I love the NU hockey jerseys and it would be fun to
have it ... but it's just not going to happen
money-wise, rink-wise or fan-wise. If wealthy alums
want to kick in to build an on-campus rink or
top-notch arena like UM, UW or MSU, then maybe we can
do it. Games at the UC or Rosemont would just be
empty.

GO CATS!!!
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Apr 17 14:16:07 2008
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Apr 17 14:16:24 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Frozen Four
Message-ID: <c1a.37719a08.3538fbf7@aol.com>

That's nuts Harvard draws from all over, as does ND, and Kentucky has a  sell 
out at every game.
I agree we are not a Chicago student body, basketball proves that.
 
In a message dated 4/17/2008 2:52:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Apr 17 20:19:07 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Frozen Four
In-Reply-To: <c1a.37719a08.3538fbf7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <228802.2184.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> That's nuts Harvard draws from all over, as does ND,

Harvard actually IS in a hockey hotbed. When Chicago
starts having a "beanpot" tournament or something like
Philly's Big Six basketball league, then we can talk
hotbed.

As for ND, while they are a national student body like
NU, it does have a heavy catholic school slant, and
most of those catholic schools are in the hockey
northeast. I would wager NU has more students from sun
belt states than ND.

> and Kentucky has a  sell 
> out at every game.

They also have Ashley Judd in attendance at those
games.:)

I dunno - I just can't see a student body that won't
head to Welsh-Ryan for basketball hopping several
trains to Rosemont for hockey. Maybe if we get Ashley
Judd.

GO CATS!!!
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Apr 17 20:24:32 2008
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Apr 17 20:26:21 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Frozen Four
Message-ID: <bdb.2adceb30.35395250@aol.com>

I can attest that New England is hockey nuts  ---It's not that dissimilar to 
Indiana hoops--Eery boy grows up thinking hockey--generally the best athletes 
play hockey for winter sports in high school--And for those of you old enough 
to remember Love Story (by the way Ali just turned 70  on my birthday, April 
1!) , you know that Harvard and hockey go together

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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Apr 18 21:57:02 2008
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Apr 18 21:57:16 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Frozen Four
Message-ID: <041920080257.2104.48095F7E0003AF78000008382216551406090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Both MSU and Michigan do well i hockey.  At one time Michigan played the Red Wings once a year.  MIchigan got the Red Wings' goalie and the Red Wings got Michigan's.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> > That's nuts Harvard draws from all over, as does ND,
> 
> Harvard actually IS in a hockey hotbed. When Chicago
> starts having a "beanpot" tournament or something like
> Philly's Big Six basketball league, then we can talk
> hotbed.
> 
> As for ND, while they are a national student body like
> NU, it does have a heavy catholic school slant, and
> most of those catholic schools are in the hockey
> northeast. I would wager NU has more students from sun
> belt states than ND.
> 
> > and Kentucky has a  sell 
> > out at every game.
> 
> They also have Ashley Judd in attendance at those
> games.:)
> 
> I dunno - I just can't see a student body that won't
> head to Welsh-Ryan for basketball hopping several
> trains to Rosemont for hockey. Maybe if we get Ashley
> Judd.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
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> sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Sat Apr 19 13:05:57 2008
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr 19 13:06:12 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Frozen Four
Message-ID: <c81.24cf03b5.353b8e85@aol.com>

My .02:  Men's lacrosse would be a favorable alternative  to hockey.  It's 
cheaper, we have a terrific field just built, it's an up  and coming sport, and 
in my opinion, we would be able to recruit like mad.   Hell, I's be in favor a 
naming our fine Lacrosse coach we have for the women's  team to coach the 
men.  I bet she could handle it with ease, and she has  experience building a 
program from nothing.
   Now let's find a few offensive linemen and about 12 people who  can play 
basketball, and we'll be all set! 
 
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From airsnod at aol.com  Tue Apr 22 15:54:45 2008
From: airsnod at aol.com (airsnod@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr 22 15:56:28 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Frozen Four
In-Reply-To: <590259.38874.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CA72D23A9E0A94-1894-8E47@webmail-nb20.sysops.aol.com>

NU's student body is much more national and those kids
from California, the mid-Atlantic, etc. aren't big
hockey fans (the NHL keeps trying to force hockey in
the sunbelt but it hasn't worked).


Not so sure about that. My wife's nephew (Tommy Bardis) just finished his red-shirt transfer year from St. Lawrence to Wisconsin.

He grew up and played his entire youth hockey in Atlanta, Georgia. 
From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Apr 22 16:21:51 2008
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr 22 16:22:08 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Frozen Four
Message-ID: <ccc.2fb02e6f.353fb0ef@aol.com>

As my Nephew did in Arlington Va, go Caps.
 
 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Apr 23 09:17:00 2008
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Apr 23 09:17:11 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] Looks Like BC got his "Big Guys"
Message-ID: <000001c8a54c$b249d5e0$16dd81a0$@com>

6-11 Luka Mirkovic [chased by Louisville, Marquette and DePaul]
And
6-9 Davide Curletti [Michigan and MSU]

Maybe more inside presence to go with Coble's corner shooting?

Maybe there's life in BC's tenure yet....?

rsl

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Apr 23 10:08:34 2008
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Apr 23 10:09:10 2008
Subject: [NU Sports] New AD
Message-ID: <8CA736B088A1ECE-C78-1499@WEBMAIL-DG10.sim.aol.com>

Not much here - the new guy promises to fill the seats, but doesn't really say how.? It will be interesting to see.? The best news is probably that Jim O'Donnell is still on the NU beat - hope we keep him in 2008-09

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/909962,CST-SPT-nuad23.article

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85
