[NU Sports] 4th Quarter

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Neither does it help that the eletists at and from NU who live in the Chicago area don't care enough  to attend football and/or basketball games.  How else can the low attendance e explained?

John DeGroat
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From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng at comcast.net>
> <NU - graduated 93% of all students, 96% of all athletes, and 91% of all
> <football players
> <PSU - graduated 83% of all students, 86% of all athletes, and 80% of all
> <football players
> <As much as you may admire JoePa, Penn State, and their program - they 
> clearly
> don't have the same commitment.
> 
> First, I know several former Penn State football players.  One thing on 
> which they all agree, if you wanted to get on Paterno's bad side, 1) be late 
> to a practice, and 2) skip classes.  He will NOT tolerate screwing up in 
> class, although not all of his players are physics majors.  That Paterno 
> gets students of lesser academic ability than Northwestern is obvious, but 
> he still managed to graduate 8 out of 10 and he is more likely to lose them 
> early to the NFL.  I believe Darnell was our last player to do that. 
> Incidentally, Notre Dame, another highly-ranked academic institution, 
> graduated 98% of its athletes.
> 
> <I'm proud of the fact that NU is top ranked academic institution that still
> <manages to compete effectively in the BT
> 
> I'm proud of NU, too, but we do NOT compete in the Big 10.  We are perennial 
> losers in basketball and in danger of slipping backward in football.  I 
> don't care a bit about the other sports, men or women.  You may; most don't.
> 
> <NU isn't for everyone.
> 
> Now THAT is elitist, nor is my reaction PC.
> 
> <This is a school that challenges academically smart people to work hard and
> <become world-class citizens.
> 
> See previous line.  Are we the only university that does that in the Big 10? 
> World class people have graduated in large numbers from every one of them. 
> Our biggest difference is that we only take top students while state 
> universities have an obligation to taxpayers, which results in a higher 
> dropout rate.
> 
> <The graduation rates PROVE that the NU admissions counselors know what they
> <are doing in selecting students (and athletes).
> 
> I never suggested that admissions counselors did not know what they are 
> doing.  I am suggesting that if you care about fielding competitive football 
> and basketball teams, you are going to have to attract better talent.  We 
> might consider a phys ed or sports management degree.  There is no shame in 
> those degrees.  You don't have to make them mickey-mouse.  You could also 
> matriculate students with native ability who do not have the best background 
> and shepherd them through academically.  Or don't such folks from humble 
> backgrounds deserve the Northwestern experience?
> 
> <The "NU can never win" argument is just loser talk.
> 
> We will never win consistently with second-class talent.  We have always 
> recruited second-class talent, and there is nothing to indicate next year's 
> football recruiting class will be any better overall.  Yes, occasionally a 
> gem emerges, but that will not happen enough times.
> 
> <I happen to think that we have the right guy for the job.
> 
> I think so too in terms of Fitz's committment to Northwestern.  Somehow he 
> has to attract better talent.  Of course, he's only had one season to do 
> that.
> 
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