From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Oct  1 06:55:42 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Oct  1 06:49:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] I don't get it
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You saw the same game I did - Henne was supposed to sit out a "presumed laugher"
for the Wolves, but at the half, the decision was made to put him in and win the
game because UM was not going to have another ASU game on their 2007 record and
Henne showed he could move the ball.

In the second half, the Michigan team I saw on TV was the team that was
originally predicted to win the Big 10 - I think they can still do that if they
continue to play like they did in the 2nd half against us.

The keys to this game? - The UM o-line did a tremendous job picking up NU's
blitz packages, giving Henne time to pick the secondary apart. Their front 7 on
defense ground NU's O'line down, it took them 3 quarters, but by the fourth
quarter, the Cats never had time to get a play to develop. C.J. was not
comfortable at the end of the game - its like Michigan remembered all those
Cardiac Cat moments and determined that NU was not going to come back on them.

rsl 

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> Subject: [NU Sports] I don't get it
> 
> Everyone is saying the Cats gave the game away.  Is everyone wearing such
> rose-colored glasses that they missed Michigan pounding on a worn-down
> Northwestern team in the fourth quarter?  That we played our best game of
> the year does not change the fact that the size, speed, strength, and
> athleticism differential finally caught up with us.  We didn't give
> Michigan
> the game.  They took it.  It once more goes back to talent.  They have more
> of it than we do.
> 
> In one area we are definitely more talented than Michigan:  place-kicking.
> We finally got a good one.  Unfortunately, we're still looking for a
> punter.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Oct  1 07:02:34 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Oct  1 06:55:34 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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When you run conditioning drills in football, you often shout "4th quarter" as
the kids run gassers. Along with throwing the ball to different players at
random during the running, it a tradition of any team I coach.

Yes, along with "it all starts on the offensive line," I borrowed that concept
from the Wildcats and Randy Walker - he used to talk about NU's conditioning,
how they expected to own the 4th quarter. 

We don't see the Cats holding up 4 fingers any more. I'm sure it was something
that came from inside the team but its fallen out of the Wildcat sideline
routine. 

With all my team's newbies, I'm a little worried about our guys going 100% for 4
quarters this year, but you could always count on NU to play 4 quarters and be
ready for more. I hope our offensive breakdown in the 4th quarter isn't because
we've stopped stressing that idea of playing a complete game.

And I wonder where the chain went?

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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Oct  1 07:21:00 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Oct  1 07:15:29 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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> We don't see the Cats holding up 4 fingers any more. I'm sure it was 
> something
> that came from inside the team but its fallen out of the Wildcat sideline
> routine.

Actually I did see Fitz hold up four fingers, but his team did not play like 
it.  Sorry to disagree with others, but we got beat on by Michigan in the 
fourth quarter.  If they tipped a pass, it means they were putting on 
pressure.  We didn't give it away.  The defensive face mask penalty in the 
first quarter?  That was a give-away but not what happened in the fourth.

What are the plans to make Northwestern football perennially competitive? 
Would a new stadium attract a few more recruits and fans?  Reduce entrance 
requirements for a few players as long as the university offers a guided 
plan for their academic success?  We all get queasy thinking about that, but 
we could turn it into a positive by selecting motivated kids.

Gary Barnett created a monster in 1995/96.  Now we expect victory.  He got 
us out of the lake-the-post era.  Walker gave us one exciting season and a 
few decent ones that gave us hope for a future that now seems to be going in 
the opposite direction.  Now, we have to take the next step up.  That starts 
with recruiting. 


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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  1 09:45:44 2007
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Mon Oct  1 09:39:14 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Two more cents ...
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> Have expectations at Michigan really changed that
> much?:) If this had happened last year, I would think
> the OSU scene would have been repeated by Michigan
> fans. 

I don't know. In my experience, Michigan fans generally tend to be a
lot classier than their counterparts at OSU. I hate to generalize based
on personal experiences. But having attended away games at both
stadiums, and encountered fans from both schools on numerous occasions
at NU, my impressions of OSU fans has always been much more negative.

> * Our execution, however, got worse. I was hoping that
> after the Nevada game, CJ had that confidence that we
> all saw Zak and Baz have to come through in the
> clutch, but the Duke and Michigan games have hurt that
> hope. He's still our QB, but he has to develop that
> leadership and confidence in crunch time (some help
> from the O line would help, too).

Agreed. Michigan certainly cranked up the pressure in the 4th, and our
O-line hasn't been holding up terribly well, but there were chances for
CJ to make plays. He was a little off all day actually--lots of passes
were a bit behind receivers, or a bit high. We also had a few drops on
difficult, but catchable balls. 

NU is always going to have a slim margin for error against the more
talent-laden Big Ten opponents. This week, all the effort was there,
but we were just on the wrong side of that margin for error.

Another example would be Michigan's first scoring drive. We stopped
them on downs, but the drive was kept alive by a face mask penalty
somewhere far away from the main action. Little things like that made
the difference. 

> Exactly - if we play like this the rest of the season,
> we can beat anyone. We just need to finish. 

Yep. 

And just FYI, Fitz absolutely had the 4th quarter "4 fingers in the
air" thing going as the clock was winding down on the 3rd quarter. I
doubt there's been any change in focusing on finishing in the 4th
quarter under Fitz.

But, doesn't every coach in the country preach that? It's not like NU
invented holding up 4 fingers before the 4th quarter. 

Tom

From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Mon Oct  1 09:49:14 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Oct  1 09:43:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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Dennis wrote <snip>

What are the plans to make Northwestern football perennially competitive? 
Would a new stadium attract a few more recruits and fans?  Reduce entrance
requirements for a few players as long as the university offers a guided plan
for their academic success?  We all get queasy thinking about that, but we
could turn it into a positive by selecting motivated kids.

Gary Barnett created a monster in 1995/96.  Now we expect victory.  He got us
out of the lake-the-post era.  Walker gave us one exciting season and a few
decent ones that gave us hope for a future that now seems to be going in the
opposite direction.  Now, we have to take the next step up.  That starts with
recruiting. 


==========================

What Barnett proved is that you CAN compete without having the best athletes.
What he also proved is that you CAN compete without changing the character of
your institution.  What RW proved is that our kids are quick learners and
hard workers who respond to the challenge to be the best.  Programs win by
playing to their strengths.  At UoM and OSU, it is big enrollments, jock
majors, big budgets, big stadiums, and the best athletes.  At NU it is
motivation and innovation.  

You appear fixated on four star recruits as the route to victory.  You don't
have to look any further than MSU or ND to see that better athletes don't
always translate into better teams.  This year is filled with examples of
better teams beating better athletes.  We just happened not to get it done on
Saturday because we are still a young team that doesn't yet completely
believe that they can win.  Run that same game again next year with more
seasoned leaders on offense and defense and NU comes away with a win.  

What we've seen at NU is the impact that creative coaches can have on a
program where all of the kids are smart overachievers.  Barnett proved that
kids who really believe can win.  I wasn't a big RW fan, but he had the guts
to install a trick offense to make up for having no defense, and won the BT.
He also sent more NU players to the NFL than any previous coach.  Only time
will tell whether Fitz can demonstrate similar innovation and motivation.  I
personally think that as his recruits start to play, you will see an up tick
in athleticism.  We'll have to see if he can also attract the sort of coaches
needed to get kids to the next level athletically, and build offenses and
defenses that players believe they can win with.

Finally, you have to define what you mean by perennially competitive.  

IMHO, for NU that means going bowling in all but rebuilding years, competing
for the BT championship in those years when we have a senior QB, and every
decade or so when the planets align, having a top ten team that has a shot at
the BCS.  That seems a fine goal with me because I'm proud that our
institution is committed to graduate all of our kids with real degrees and
won't admit a kid who hasn't demonstrated similar academic commitment.

For UoM and OSU, it means going bowling every year, competing for the BT
championship every year, and competing for a NC those years when you have a
junior/senior QB.  It also means graduating fewer kids, having a lot more
leave early for the NFL, and providing some only the appearance of an
education rather than the substance of one.  

If you really would like to remake NU in the image of UoM or OSU, I suggest a
much easier path.  Just start rooting for them.

Jeff



 

From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Oct  1 11:08:05 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Oct  1 11:02:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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I don't think need for a new stadium--which is probably unrealistic anyway,  
both because of cost (prohibitive) and lack of venue anywhere near the campus  
that would work--is either the problem or the answer.  In fact, if we build  
anything, it should be new arena for hoops, which does really need it.
 
Let's face it, losing RW so suddenly and tragically has set back our  program 
for a number of years, which hopefully will only be two or three, as  Fitz 
gains seasoning, experience and maturity, and recruits "his" kind of  players.  
He is what we want the face of NU football to be.   Hopefully, not only will 
he be the face, but also the "head".   Unfortunately, unlike, for example Bret 
Bielema, he was not a Defensive  Coordinator when promoted, and didn't have 
time to be "groomed" in the manner  that Alvarez did with BB.  That was all 
going to be taken care of over the  next several years by RW, but God had other 
plans....
 
I like the way we played on Saturday, with passion and commitment.   
Hopefully, that will carry over the rest of the season, and we will pick up  enough 
"W's" to sneak into a weaker bowl game.  If not, we still should  have most of 
the key players back next year, albeit with a tougher  schedule.
 
Paul Levinson



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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Oct  1 11:12:20 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Oct  1 11:06:48 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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> What Barnett proved is that you CAN compete without having the best 
> athletes.

No, what Barnett proved is that ON A RARE OCCASION you can win without the 
best athletes if you have some talent in key areas, other teams don't take 
you seriously, and Jupiter aligns with Mars.  Motivation and innovation will 
carry you only so far.  Robert E. Lee used both techniques successfully for 
a while, but ultimately Grant's overwhelming power crushed him.  The spread 
offense is now as commonplace as a Stonewall Jackson flank march, and 
defenses are far better prepared.  Unless we obtain faster, better skilled 
athletes to run it (most importantly a speedy quarterback), it will no 
longer carry us.  And aren't you weary of watching NU defenses give up yard 
after yard?  Defensive lines that can't get near opposing quarterbacks?

> You appear fixated on four star recruits as the route to victory.

Fixated by obtaining talent?  You bet I am!  Four-star recruits might not be 
the answer, but Northwestern never has them to find out what they could do 
with them!  There is nothing wrong with the NU football team that more 
speed, quickness, athleticism, size, and strength would not cure.  And where 
is it written that coaches can't motivate good athletes as well as average 
ones?

> For UoM and OSU. . .[it] means graduating fewer kids, having a lot more
> leave early for the NFL, and providing some only the appearance of an
> education rather than the substance of one.

Tell that to Joe Paterno, whose players graduate on a par with Northwestern 
and almost always win all their pre-season games.  Would I object to players 
leaving early for the NFL?  If we had that "problem," it would mean we would 
have quality players and be winning a lot more games.  If you want a purely 
academic school, fine.  I understand the argument, but then leave Big 10 
athletics behind.  I do not think, however, that athletics and academics are 
inconsistent with each other.  Penn State certainly has proven that.

> If you really would like to remake NU in the image of UoM or OSU, I 
> suggest a
> much easier path.  Just start rooting for them.

I didn't graduate from UoM or OSU and don't care about either one.  You seem 
trapped in 1995 with a "Hoosiers" mentality.  Yes, '95 was fabulous.  Yes, 
it's great when David slays Goliath.  But it's time to move forward.  Time 
to take the next step.  And in all due respect, you're coming off very much 
like an elitist who don't want no stinkin', dumb athletes on his team. 


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From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Mon Oct  1 13:21:08 2007
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Mon Oct  1 13:15:00 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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> I didn't graduate from UoM or OSU and don't care about either one. You seem > trapped in 1995 with a "Hoosiers" mentality. Yes, '95 was fabulous. Yes, > it's great when David slays Goliath. But it's time to move forward. Time > to take the next step. And in all due respect, you're coming off very much > like an elitist who don't want no stinkin', dumb athletes on his team. 
Dennis, I tend to agree with you.  Frankly, the only (and I mean ONLY) measurement of the academic success of a football team should be its graduation rates.  Average SATs, high school GPAs, and other such statistics are meaningless.  If we can keep our graduation rates among the best in the nation (generally, >90%) I personally don't give a whit how dumb or smart our players are compared with non-athlete students.  If they put in the work to complete their degree, that should be all that matters.
 
I didn't always feel this way.  I like the fact that there are no Sports Management or General Studies majors at NU, or that you can't take b.s. Phys Ed courses like Intro to Bowling for credit towards an NU degree.  But perhaps it's time to accept the simple fact that we cannot maintain our idealistic standard of a student-athlete and expect to be reasonably competitive in Big Ten football & mens basketball.   Unlike life, football is a zero-sum game; why should we set the bar so much higher for ourselves than our conference-mates are willing to set for themselves?
 
I say its time to gradually relax admissions standards, while stepping up academic support services to help ensure those admitted will graduate.  If our graduation rates fall from 98-100% down to 85-90%, so be it--at least we'll be putting a little more talent on the field on Saturdays.
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I like the fact that there are no Sports 
Management or General Studies majors at NU

As someone with a Master's (MA) in Sport Management (working in the Sport Industry)?also with?an MBA, I take umbrage at your comment. My Sport Management degree (Kinesiology? if you want to be technical) was a hell of a lot harder to earn ---?and more useful than --?my Northwestern History degree.


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I didn't always feel this way.? I like the fact that there are no Sports 
Management or General Studies majors at NU, or that you can't take b.s. Phys Ed 
courses like Intro to Bowling for credit towards an NU degree.?? 
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From ddave at nusports.com  Mon Oct  1 15:33:01 2007
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Mon Oct  1 15:29:00 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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At Northwestern's 2007 Commencement exercises there were fifty-five (55) "Bachelor of Science in General Studies" awarded (all in WCAS).

  
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I like the fact that there are no Sports 
Management or General Studies majors at NU

As someone with a Master's (MA) in Sport Management (working in the Sport Industry)?also with?an MBA, I take umbrage at your comment. My Sport Management degree (Kinesiology? if you want to be technical) was a hell of a lot harder to earn ---?and more useful than --?my Northwestern History degree.


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From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Oct  1 15:30:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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Dennis,

I realize that many of these discussions deal primarily with emotion rather
than fact.

So here are a couple of facts that hopefully don't need to be argued about.

>From the latest NCAA graduation report

NU - graduated 93% of all students, 96% of all athletes, and 91% of all
football players
PSU - graduated 83% of all students, 86% of all athletes, and 80% of all
football players

As much as you may admire JoePa, Penn State, and their program - they clearly
don't have the same commitment.  Also if you care to look, even UoM did a
better job than PSU in graduation percentages.

I'm proud of the fact that NU is top ranked academic institution that still
manages to compete effectively in the BT (more success in women's sports than
men) and consistently be at or near the top in terms of graduation
percentages.

NU isn't for everyone.  Suggesting that this is an elitist attitude is just a
weak PC red herring.  If I recall some of your past posts correctly, PC
comments are a little out of character for you anyway.

This is a school that challenges academically smart people to work hard and
become world-class citizens.  We need schools like NU if we want to get the
best out of our brightest.  That's not to say that all other schools and the
people that go there are crap.  It does recognize the reality that some
people are more academically gifted than others, that's all. 

The graduation rates PROVE that the NU admissions counselors know what they
are doing in selecting students (and athletes).  The success of our graduates
in their careers also PROVES that education at NU does make a difference in
their lives.  

The "NU can never win" argument is just loser talk.  There are enough smart
football players in our country for NU to put together competitive teams.  We
just need to find them and recruit them, because at least for them NU's elite
academic status is a recruiting advantage.  

I happen to think that we have the right guy for the job.  He just has to
surround himself with similarly talented people.  Then we will see the
results.

As for this year, as others have mentioned, the turn-around from last week to
this already demonstrates that Fitz can get his team motivated and focused.
Now they and he just have to learn how to win.

Jeff

 

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> What Barnett proved is that you CAN compete without having the best 
> athletes.

No, what Barnett proved is that ON A RARE OCCASION you can win without the
best athletes if you have some talent in key areas, other teams don't take
you seriously, and Jupiter aligns with Mars.  Motivation and innovation will
carry you only so far.  Robert E. Lee used both techniques successfully for a
while, but ultimately Grant's overwhelming power crushed him.  The spread
offense is now as commonplace as a Stonewall Jackson flank march, and
defenses are far better prepared.  Unless we obtain faster, better skilled
athletes to run it (most importantly a speedy quarterback), it will no longer
carry us.  And aren't you weary of watching NU defenses give up yard after
yard?  Defensive lines that can't get near opposing quarterbacks?

> You appear fixated on four star recruits as the route to victory.

Fixated by obtaining talent?  You bet I am!  Four-star recruits might not be
the answer, but Northwestern never has them to find out what they could do
with them!  There is nothing wrong with the NU football team that more speed,
quickness, athleticism, size, and strength would not cure.  And where is it
written that coaches can't motivate good athletes as well as average ones?

> For UoM and OSU. . .[it] means graduating fewer kids, having a lot 
> more leave early for the NFL, and providing some only the appearance 
> of an education rather than the substance of one.

Tell that to Joe Paterno, whose players graduate on a par with Northwestern
and almost always win all their pre-season games.  Would I object to players
leaving early for the NFL?  If we had that "problem," it would mean we would
have quality players and be winning a lot more games.  If you want a purely
academic school, fine.  I understand the argument, but then leave Big 10
athletics behind.  I do not think, however, that athletics and academics are
inconsistent with each other.  Penn State certainly has proven that.

> If you really would like to remake NU in the image of UoM or OSU, I 
> suggest a much easier path.  Just start rooting for them.

I didn't graduate from UoM or OSU and don't care about either one.  You seem
trapped in 1995 with a "Hoosiers" mentality.  Yes, '95 was fabulous.  Yes,
it's great when David slays Goliath.  But it's time to move forward.  Time to
take the next step.  And in all due respect, you're coming off very much like
an elitist who don't want no stinkin', dumb athletes on his team. 


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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Oct  1 16:54:09 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Oct  1 16:48:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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<NU - graduated 93% of all students, 96% of all athletes, and 91% of all
<football players
<PSU - graduated 83% of all students, 86% of all athletes, and 80% of all
<football players
<As much as you may admire JoePa, Penn State, and their program - they 
clearly
don't have the same commitment.

First, I know several former Penn State football players.  One thing on 
which they all agree, if you wanted to get on Paterno's bad side, 1) be late 
to a practice, and 2) skip classes.  He will NOT tolerate screwing up in 
class, although not all of his players are physics majors.  That Paterno 
gets students of lesser academic ability than Northwestern is obvious, but 
he still managed to graduate 8 out of 10 and he is more likely to lose them 
early to the NFL.  I believe Darnell was our last player to do that. 
Incidentally, Notre Dame, another highly-ranked academic institution, 
graduated 98% of its athletes.

<I'm proud of the fact that NU is top ranked academic institution that still
<manages to compete effectively in the BT

I'm proud of NU, too, but we do NOT compete in the Big 10.  We are perennial 
losers in basketball and in danger of slipping backward in football.  I 
don't care a bit about the other sports, men or women.  You may; most don't.

<NU isn't for everyone.

Now THAT is elitist, nor is my reaction PC.

<This is a school that challenges academically smart people to work hard and
<become world-class citizens.

See previous line.  Are we the only university that does that in the Big 10? 
World class people have graduated in large numbers from every one of them. 
Our biggest difference is that we only take top students while state 
universities have an obligation to taxpayers, which results in a higher 
dropout rate.

<The graduation rates PROVE that the NU admissions counselors know what they
<are doing in selecting students (and athletes).

I never suggested that admissions counselors did not know what they are 
doing.  I am suggesting that if you care about fielding competitive football 
and basketball teams, you are going to have to attract better talent.  We 
might consider a phys ed or sports management degree.  There is no shame in 
those degrees.  You don't have to make them mickey-mouse.  You could also 
matriculate students with native ability who do not have the best background 
and shepherd them through academically.  Or don't such folks from humble 
backgrounds deserve the Northwestern experience?

<The "NU can never win" argument is just loser talk.

We will never win consistently with second-class talent.  We have always 
recruited second-class talent, and there is nothing to indicate next year's 
football recruiting class will be any better overall.  Yes, occasionally a 
gem emerges, but that will not happen enough times.

<I happen to think that we have the right guy for the job.

I think so too in terms of Fitz's committment to Northwestern.  Somehow he 
has to attract better talent.  Of course, he's only had one season to do 
that.


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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct  1 21:25:39 2007
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon Oct  1 21:19:12 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Second Season
Message-ID: <82533.33723.qm@web36802.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

Our schedule splits into two separate seasons. The first was 3 games we should win and 2 games we should lose. We dropped the ball against Duke, but we're pretty much where we expected to be. The second season presents the Cats with 7 games they can win or lose, depending on which Northwestern team shows up.

We may not have enough offense to hang with Purdue, but if the defense from the first half of the Michigan game shows up, the O-line gives CJ time to make good decisions, and McGee remembers to RUN THE DAMN BALL, I like our chances in each of the remaining games. 

In my opinion, our post-season hopes ride almost entirely on beating Michigan State this Saturday. If we win, we're at 3-3 with Minnesota and Eastern Michigan giving us a shot at 5-3. It is my sincere hope that MSU goes into it's traditional October slump and that the Cats remember the embarassing comeback in Evanston last year. It would help to have Sutton, but Conteh proved he's capable if McGee remembers to RUN THE DAMN BALL. 

The road to Detroit starts in East Lansing. 

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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Mon Oct  1 22:42:47 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Oct  1 22:36:53 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
Message-ID: <100220070342.21346.4701BE3700095B16000053622215567074090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Neither does it help that the eletists at and from NU who live in the Chicago area don't care enough  to attend football and/or basketball games.  How else can the low attendance e explained?

John DeGroat
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From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> <NU - graduated 93% of all students, 96% of all athletes, and 91% of all
> <football players
> <PSU - graduated 83% of all students, 86% of all athletes, and 80% of all
> <football players
> <As much as you may admire JoePa, Penn State, and their program - they 
> clearly
> don't have the same commitment.
> 
> First, I know several former Penn State football players.  One thing on 
> which they all agree, if you wanted to get on Paterno's bad side, 1) be late 
> to a practice, and 2) skip classes.  He will NOT tolerate screwing up in 
> class, although not all of his players are physics majors.  That Paterno 
> gets students of lesser academic ability than Northwestern is obvious, but 
> he still managed to graduate 8 out of 10 and he is more likely to lose them 
> early to the NFL.  I believe Darnell was our last player to do that. 
> Incidentally, Notre Dame, another highly-ranked academic institution, 
> graduated 98% of its athletes.
> 
> <I'm proud of the fact that NU is top ranked academic institution that still
> <manages to compete effectively in the BT
> 
> I'm proud of NU, too, but we do NOT compete in the Big 10.  We are perennial 
> losers in basketball and in danger of slipping backward in football.  I 
> don't care a bit about the other sports, men or women.  You may; most don't.
> 
> <NU isn't for everyone.
> 
> Now THAT is elitist, nor is my reaction PC.
> 
> <This is a school that challenges academically smart people to work hard and
> <become world-class citizens.
> 
> See previous line.  Are we the only university that does that in the Big 10? 
> World class people have graduated in large numbers from every one of them. 
> Our biggest difference is that we only take top students while state 
> universities have an obligation to taxpayers, which results in a higher 
> dropout rate.
> 
> <The graduation rates PROVE that the NU admissions counselors know what they
> <are doing in selecting students (and athletes).
> 
> I never suggested that admissions counselors did not know what they are 
> doing.  I am suggesting that if you care about fielding competitive football 
> and basketball teams, you are going to have to attract better talent.  We 
> might consider a phys ed or sports management degree.  There is no shame in 
> those degrees.  You don't have to make them mickey-mouse.  You could also 
> matriculate students with native ability who do not have the best background 
> and shepherd them through academically.  Or don't such folks from humble 
> backgrounds deserve the Northwestern experience?
> 
> <The "NU can never win" argument is just loser talk.
> 
> We will never win consistently with second-class talent.  We have always 
> recruited second-class talent, and there is nothing to indicate next year's 
> football recruiting class will be any better overall.  Yes, occasionally a 
> gem emerges, but that will not happen enough times.
> 
> <I happen to think that we have the right guy for the job.
> 
> I think so too in terms of Fitz's committment to Northwestern.  Somehow he 
> has to attract better talent.  Of course, he's only had one season to do 
> that.
> 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Oct  2 05:28:30 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Oct  2 05:22:57 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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<Neither does it help that the eletists at and from NU who live in the 
Chicago area don't care enough  to attend <football and/or basketball games. 
How else can the low attendance e explained?

Attendance will rise when winning becomes routine, not just an occasional 
bright spot in the darkness of defeat.  To do that, you need talent.

There are also issues with facilities, including parking.  Someone asked 
where we could build a new stadium.  My freshman year McCullough Hall was on 
the shore of Lake Michigan.  By the end of that year, it wasn't on the shore 
anymore.  Not long after I graduated, a substantial piece of the campus grew 
where once there was only water.  There is no problem in this area that mere 
money can't correct.  As we saw with the recent fund-raising campaign, NU 
alums fork over.  As they say in the business department, you can't make 
money if you don't spend money.  Barnett upgraded facilities.  Now it's time 
to take the next step up. 


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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Oct  2 06:15:46 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Oct  2 06:11:01 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
Message-ID: <20071002.061546.28222.2@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

NO!

I love football as much as anyone, but if it involves lessening the standards "further" you will get no support from me.  If we become a JUCO haven or Miami(FL)/SouthernCal I would rather DROP football.

There are very, very few places like Northwestern that compete both on the highest academic and athletic levels.  To water this down is a disservice to every alum.

If you are interested in improving the team by "cheating" please look to another university or a professional team for your football fix.

-- Arthur Miller <artmiller1@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
I say its time to gradually relax admissions standards, while stepping up academic support services to help ensure those admitted will graduate.  If our graduation rates fall from 98-100% down to 85-90%, so be it--at least we'll be putting a little more talent on the field on Saturdays.

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From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Tue Oct  2 06:39:47 2007
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct  2 06:37:01 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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I agree that money is the key but Rocky Miller somehow got that landfill over the objections of the Evanston fathers and nascent environmentalists, it could never get built today.


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<Neither does it help that the eletists at and from NU who live in the Chicago area don't care enough to attend <football and/or basketball games. How else can the low attendance e explained??
?
Attendance will rise when winning becomes routine, not just an occasional bright spot in the darkness of defeat. To do that, you need talent.?
?
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From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Oct  2 06:52:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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> There are very, very few places like Northwestern that compete both on the 
> highest academic and athletic levels.  To water this down is a disservice 
> to every alum.

Northwestern does NOT compete "on the highest. . . athletic level" in 
football and basketball.  If we have risen above doormat statues, we are 
still the game everyone should win. 


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Oct  2 07:04:20 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Oct  2 06:57:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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You've hit the nail on the head - the players are the people that make the plays
on both defense and offense.

RW used to attract good running backs because he was one. He was truly an
offensive genius, altho he has to share his expert status with Kroemer, Wilson
and Dunbar. Remember that C.J. was Dunbar's guy - he's had to adjust to a
totally different style of coaching and I think he's done it.

But we need that 3 or 4 star QB to commit now - he'll have the O-line to work
behind, but we need the QB and RB for 4 years out this year, and I haven't seen
any of those types talking about NU.

We also could use an ace LB and another big guy up front this year.

rsl
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Walker gave us one exciting season and a few
> decent ones that gave us hope for a future that now seems to be going in
> the
> opposite direction.  Now, we have to take the next step up.  That starts
> with
> recruiting.
> 
fo/nwu-sports

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From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Oct  2 07:01:01 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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I think NU added a Sports Management type major in the Biz school a few years
back. I know more of our guys are involved with Kellog now. The bulk of our
folks seem to be in communications studies, something that prepares them to
teach, manage sales organizations or broadcast. Our non-NFL grads seem to be
doing well professionally

There's nothing wrong with a Sports or Team Management major in a top business
school like NU's

rsl 

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Arthur Miller
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 2:21 PM
> To: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
> 
> 
> > I didn't graduate from UoM or OSU and don't care about either one. You
> seem > trapped in 1995 with a "Hoosiers" mentality. Yes, '95 was fabulous.
> Yes, > it's great when David slays Goliath. But it's time to move forward.
> Time > to take the next step. And in all due respect, you're coming off
> very much > like an elitist who don't want no stinkin', dumb athletes on
> his team.
> Dennis, I tend to agree with you.  Frankly, the only (and I mean ONLY)
> measurement of the academic success of a football team should be its
> graduation rates.  Average SATs, high school GPAs, and other such
> statistics are meaningless.  If we can keep our graduation rates among the
> best in the nation (generally, >90%) I personally don't give a whit how
> dumb or smart our players are compared with non-athlete students.  If they
> put in the work to complete their degree, that should be all that matters.
> 
> I didn't always feel this way.  I like the fact that there are no Sports
> Management or General Studies majors at NU, or that you can't take b.s.
> Phys Ed courses like Intro to Bowling for credit towards an NU degree.  But
> perhaps it's time to accept the simple fact that we cannot maintain our
> idealistic standard of a student-athlete and expect to be reasonably
> competitive in Big Ten football & mens basketball.   Unlike life, football
> is a zero-sum game; why should we set the bar so much higher for ourselves
> than our conference-mates are willing to set for themselves?
> 
> I say its time to gradually relax admissions standards, while stepping up
> academic support services to help ensure those admitted will graduate.  If
> our graduation rates fall from 98-100% down to 85-90%, so be it--at least
> we'll be putting a little more talent on the field on Saturdays.
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From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Oct  2 07:03:37 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Two more cents ...
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So true, but under Walker there was a big effort in preparing for the 4th
quarter - the O-line expected to dominate at the end of the game, and I honestly
think they wore down as the game ended.

rsl

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> But, doesn't every coach in the country preach that? It's not like NU
> invented holding up 4 fingers before the 4th quarter.
> 
> Tom
> 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Oct  2 07:14:44 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Oct  2 07:07:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Second Season
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You mean we should go back to 50% run- 50% pass?

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Jim Leonard
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 10:26 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] The Second Season
> 
> Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
> 
> Our schedule splits into two separate seasons. The first was 3 games we
> should win and 2 games we should lose. We dropped the ball against Duke,
> but we're pretty much where we expected to be. The second season presents
> the Cats with 7 games they can win or lose, depending on which Northwestern
> team shows up.
> 
> We may not have enough offense to hang with Purdue, but if the defense from
> the first half of the Michigan game shows up, the O-line gives CJ time to
> make good decisions, and McGee remembers to RUN THE DAMN BALL, I like our
> chances in each of the remaining games.
> 
> In my opinion, our post-season hopes ride almost entirely on beating
> Michigan State this Saturday. If we win, we're at 3-3 with Minnesota and
> Eastern Michigan giving us a shot at 5-3. It is my sincere hope that MSU
> goes into it's traditional October slump and that the Cats remember the
> embarassing comeback in Evanston last year. It would help to have Sutton,
> but Conteh proved he's capable if McGee remembers to RUN THE DAMN BALL.
> 
> The road to Detroit starts in East Lansing.
> 
> Victory & Honor,
> Jim
> 
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Oct  2 07:19:02 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Oct  2 07:12:05 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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I doubt that NU would be able to expand the campus into the lake again - under
today's "green" rules, I'm surprised there isn't a movement to dig the lakefront
out and return it to its original shore.....

Anyway, there's probably still land out there where a new 50k stadium could be
built - parking would be a big issue since there's no train or el service there
but the land Ryan occupies is probably worth many millions.

I'd hate to see NU's other facilities go, and I'd really hate to contemplate the
top deck seats in a new place that overlooked the lake, talk about swirling
winds.

There's nothing wrong with Ryan-Dyche that 40,000 fans every week wouldn't cure.

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> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
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> 
> <Neither does it help that the eletists at and from NU who live in the
> Chicago area don't care enough  to attend <football and/or basketball
> games.
> How else can the low attendance e explained?
> 
> Attendance will rise when winning becomes routine, not just an occasional
> bright spot in the darkness of defeat.  To do that, you need talent.
> 
> There are also issues with facilities, including parking.  Someone asked
> where we could build a new stadium.  My freshman year McCullough Hall was
> on
> the shore of Lake Michigan.  By the end of that year, it wasn't on the
> shore
> anymore.  Not long after I graduated, a substantial piece of the campus
> grew
> where once there was only water.  There is no problem in this area that
> mere
> money can't correct.  As we saw with the recent fund-raising campaign, NU
> alums fork over.  As they say in the business department, you can't make
> money if you don't spend money.  Barnett upgraded facilities.  Now it's
> time
> to take the next step up.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Oct  2 07:33:20 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Oct  2 07:27:45 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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> There's nothing wrong with Ryan-Dyche that 40,000 fans every week wouldn't 
> cure.
>
You're right.  But there's nothing other than consistent victories that will 
put 50,000 butts into the seats every game.  To do that, you have to have 
players, and facilities are part of the lure. 


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 08:23:32 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Oct  2 08:16:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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> Northwestern does NOT compete "on the highest. . .
> athletic level" in 
> football and basketball.  If we have risen above

Recently, we have in football - three Big Ten titles
since 1995, 4th or 5th in league wins since 2000, etc.
Basketball is an unfortuante exception. But on the
gridiron, we're faring much better than similarly
sized  schools or other academically focused
institutions.

And when you look at our entire athletic department -
we are definitely competing on the highest level. The
lengthy parade of All Americans and national finalists
on the football field Saturday during timeouts shows
that.

Look, we have this conversation every few months and
it seems even more pointless to have it in the middle
of the season ... at least during the off season I can
understand it. We're not building a stadium anytime
soon, nor is NU going to lower its admission
standards. Maybe we could raise some money to hire
some big-time assistants next year, but the rest is
spinning our wheels on pie in the sky.

We gave a game away against Michigan ... and I don't
see how you can call it anything but that with four
turnovers on our final four possessions. Nerves,
maybe, but we gave it to them. We also dropped the
ball big time against Duke. 

But as has been said, realistically we're one game
behind where most of us expected to be at this time.
Win at MSU this weekend and it's back to .500 and a
final six games where all are winnable.

Focusing on this year's team - we had a lot of
positives that I hope we take from the Michigan game.
The refocusing on the running game, effective mixing
in of pass routes (especially more crosses to Lane and
Peterman) and defensive intensity. We'll have to shut
down MSU's ground game to have a chance and hold off
their pass rush. But I liked how we called some
well-timed screens against Michigan's rush - we just
needed better execution.

GO CATS!!! BEAT SPARTY!!!
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Oct  2 08:21:59 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Oct  2 08:17:55 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
Message-ID: <20071002.082159.8591.2@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

I was suggesting conference by "highest athletic level".

Multiple Minnesota fans I have talk to are jealous of our football success as they would rather see occasional Big Ten titles than consistent generic bowls.

We seem to have higher peaks(Rose Bowl) and lower valleys(3-8) than most teams in recent memory, but that is more related to finding our identity after so many years of losing.

I am confident that the program is headed in the right direction without much tampering beyond some possible asst. coaching changes.

-- "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
> There are very, very few places like Northwestern that compete both on the 
> highest academic and athletic levels.  To water this down is a disservice 
> to every alum.

Northwestern does NOT compete "on the highest. . . athletic level" in 
football and basketball.  If we have risen above doormat statues, we are 
still the game everyone should win. 


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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Oct  2 08:33:01 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct  2 08:27:44 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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In a message dated 10/2/2007 4:23:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
mlinhardt@netzero.net writes:

> I say its time to gradually relax admissions standards, while stepping up 
> academic support services to help ensure those admitted will graduate.  If our 
> graduation rates fall from 98-100% down to 85-90%, so be it--at least we'll 
> be putting a little more talent on the field on Saturdays.
> 

A bit contradictory here--Adding support servcices to help those admitted 
graduate and then suggesting that our grad rate might drop 10% suggests that you 
dont think the support services wil do the trick for those questionable 
admitted students.

First of all, dont for one minute think that a good chunk of our football and 
basketball players don't receive all kinds of academic support--From reduced  
course loads during the season (pick up some in the summer) to multiple 
tutors ., NU does pretty much all that it can to help our student athletes 
graduate. I also am aware of summer programs prior to the freshman year for both 
enhanced course work and other immersion type programs to help kids who might 
otherwise be blown away by the academic and social rigors of NU.  -I think we all 
can support these efforts. It is hard for me to believe that we can do much 
more, and thus I am loathe to drop our standards ---The key must be , does NU 
think with all of the academic help they will provide, do these kids have a good 
shot at graduating ? If so, then admit them, and continue to provide whatever 
support is needed-

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From thiegs at umn.edu  Tue Oct  2 08:42:14 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Tue Oct  2 08:39:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Second Season
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> The road to Detroit starts in East Lansing.

Ha!  Well, we can dream big, can't we?  :)

-Joe

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jim Leonard
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:26 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] The Second Season

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

Our schedule splits into two separate seasons. The first was 3 games we
should win and 2 games we should lose. We dropped the ball against Duke, but
we're pretty much where we expected to be. The second season presents the
Cats with 7 games they can win or lose, depending on which Northwestern team
shows up.

We may not have enough offense to hang with Purdue, but if the defense from
the first half of the Michigan game shows up, the O-line gives CJ time to
make good decisions, and McGee remembers to RUN THE DAMN BALL, I like our
chances in each of the remaining games. 

In my opinion, our post-season hopes ride almost entirely on beating
Michigan State this Saturday. If we win, we're at 3-3 with Minnesota and
Eastern Michigan giving us a shot at 5-3. It is my sincere hope that MSU
goes into it's traditional October slump and that the Cats remember the
embarassing comeback in Evanston last year. It would help to have Sutton,
but Conteh proved he's capable if McGee remembers to RUN THE DAMN BALL. 

The road to Detroit starts in East Lansing. 

Victory & Honor,
Jim


       
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Oct  2 09:10:25 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Oct  2 09:04:11 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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Here's my take:

1. Admission of Athletes

Don't think that NU doesn't adjust its standards for athletes relative to
"regular" students already.  I'm fine with the current level of admission
standards since NU still takes top caliber students and that includes more
than grades and test scores - it is obviously beneficial to take students
who are well-rounded and can contribute in other areas such as music,
performing arts, athletics, etc. as well as the core academic areas.  I DO
NOT think that NU should lower their standards in order to admit a couple of
extra "talents" on the football field or basketball court - and thankfully I
don't think the administration or athletic department wants to change that
policy either.  There are plenty of smart and talented athletes out there in
all sports and Northwestern has done a good job of attracting people who fit
the school and the program, and I hope that continues.

2. Academic Help

Athletes get a lot of assistance at NU - during their sport's season they
can take a reduced course load of 3 classes instead of the typical 4 (any
student can also choose to do this), there is an academic tutoring area in
the new athletics building - and freshmen athletes are required to complete
a specific number of hours in the tutoring center (there is also tutoring
available to the general student population, although in a different
location).  The university helps athletes coordinate schoolwork/tests with
the travel and practice schedule in season (any student is generally welcome
to discuss flexibility with their professor at any time - when I was in
school I had to work out alternative testing schedules and class conflicts
since I was in NUMB).  Athletes get to sign up for classes early (in order
to get into classes at the times they need to fit in practice/travel), but
that rarely precludes other students from taking classes they want (and if a
regular student must take a specific course there are always ways to work
out getting into a class - talking to an academic adviser or the professor
of the course directly).  There are summer courses and assistance available
(any student can choose to take summer courses if they wish).  And while NU
does not have any "underwater basket-weaving" type major, there are still
plenty to choose from; many athletes seem to prefer Communications Studies,
although you can find athletes in every major at NU.  I am 100% OK with what
Northwestern does for athletes now since they obviously have an extra burden
of practice/games in order to represent the university, and every advantage
they get is also offered to the general student population in some form.

3. Facilities

Northwestern has neither the money nor the space to build a new stadium.  I
hope that some day we will see a new arena go up, or at least some major
renovations to Welsh-Ryan, but Dyche/Ryan is a great setting for football
and will probably remain standing for some time.  There are obviously some
renovations that could be made - especially to the south end zone, but
generally it's a nice fit for Northwestern.  Obviously getting more people
to the games would be big - and right now the only way to do that is winning
(although I still think the athletics marketing could be more innovative and
could do more to get people in the seats).  Parking is one thing that could
be improved - although doing something like building a multi-level parking
deck would require city approval; something very difficult to get.  In the
meantime, on-campus parking is sufficient, and it is still free, something
you can't find at many other Big Ten stadiums.

I believe Northwestern football can and will be successful with what they
have going.  The loss of Coach Walker was a big setback for this program,
and the tough loses this year hurt, but with such a young and inexperienced
coaching staff who are still learning the ropes it is not surprising.  What
I do find surprising is how many people seem willing to sacrifice ideals
(like high academic standards) in order to achieve quick on the field
success.  The fact is that NU is NOT just another state school in the Big
Ten - it is something different, and that uniqueness should be brought out,
not shoved under the rug.  A good analogy is NUMB, who is not as big as the
other Big Ten bands, but size is not everything and a smaller band allows
for more intricate drill and different types of music styles.  NU football
will probably never become a perennial power nationally (although I wouldn't
mind), but the fact is that we can all savor Wildcat successes that much
more because we know it doesn't come easy - it comes from hard working,
smart people, not just the fastest guy on the block who will be out on the
street next week.

Jonathan

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>
> In a message dated 10/2/2007 4:23:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> mlinhardt@netzero.net writes:
>
> > I say its time to gradually relax admissions standards, while stepping
> up
> > academic support services to help ensure those admitted will
> graduate.  If our
> > graduation rates fall from 98-100% down to 85-90%, so be it--at least
> we'll
> > be putting a little more talent on the field on Saturdays.
> >
>
> A bit contradictory here--Adding support servcices to help those admitted
> graduate and then suggesting that our grad rate might drop 10% suggests
> that you
> dont think the support services wil do the trick for those questionable
> admitted students.
>
> First of all, dont for one minute think that a good chunk of our football
> and
> basketball players don't receive all kinds of academic support--From
> reduced
> course loads during the season (pick up some in the summer) to multiple
> tutors ., NU does pretty much all that it can to help our student athletes
> graduate. I also am aware of summer programs prior to the freshman year
> for both
> enhanced course work and other immersion type programs to help kids who
> might
> otherwise be blown away by the academic and social rigors of NU.  -I think
> we all
> can support these efforts. It is hard for me to believe that we can do
> much
> more, and thus I am loathe to drop our standards ---The key must be , does
> NU
> think with all of the academic help they will provide, do these kids have
> a good
> shot at graduating ? If so, then admit them, and continue to provide
> whatever
> support is needed-
>
> Harry
>
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From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  2 10:22:53 2007
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Tue Oct  2 10:16:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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There is a big, big range between NU's current standards, and becoming a "JUCO Haven".  And tell me again why relaxing our own standard constitutes "cheating".
 
I say it's hypocritical for NU to accept the financial rewards of being in the Big Ten--rewards earned almost entirely by our conference-mates--and yet refuse to make the same level of commitment.  We can continue to hope and pray for 1995-style lightning in a bottle--and we may catch it from time to time--but such moments will be vastly outnumbered by such debacles as we saw in Columbus two weeks ago.
 
I might reconsider all of this later, outside of the emotional ride that is football season, but right now I'm feeling very discouraged about NU's long-term prospects.
 
> From: mlinhardt@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:15:46 +0000> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter> CC: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com> > NO!> > I love football as much as anyone, but if it involves lessening the standards "further" you will get no support from me. If we become a JUCO haven or Miami(FL)/SouthernCal I would rather DROP football.> > There are very, very few places like Northwestern that compete both on the highest academic and athletic levels. To water this down is a disservice to every alum.> > If you are interested in improving the team by "cheating" please look to another university or a professional team for your football fix.> > -- Arthur Miller <artmiller1@hotmail.com> wrote:> <snip>> I say its time to gradually relax admissions standards, while stepping up academic support services to help ensure those admitted will graduate. If our graduation rates fall from 98-100% down to 85-90%, so be it--at least we'll be putting a little more talent on the field on Saturdays.
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From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Oct  2 11:22:46 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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<There is a big, big range between NU's current standards, and becoming a 
"JUCO Haven".  And tell me again why relaxing our own standard constitutes 
"cheating".

<I say it's hypocritical for NU to accept the financial rewards of being in 
the Big Ten--rewards earned almost entirely by our conference-mates--and yet 
refuse to make the same level of commitment.  We can continue to hope and 
pray for 1995-style lightning in a bottle--and we may catch it from time to 
time--but such moments will be vastly outnumbered by such debacles as we saw 
in Columbus two weeks ago.

RIGHT ON, ARTHUR!

What is wrong with a kid being a little unfocused out of high school, 
entering the military to get his act together, muster out and spend a year 
or two getting his academics and attitude in order while he stars at 
football, and then going to a big time college like Northwestern?  Why 
should we automatically toss off such individuals as losers?  I have never 
suggested that we toss academic standards out the window.  I have said 
lighten up in a few cases.  If NU could get a consistent winner and draw 
better crowds, then we could lure more of those academic-athlete types away 
from places like Duke, Stanford, and Wake Forest.  And it's not just 
athletes.  Remember how applications soared after the '95 season? 


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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Oct  2 14:06:17 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Oct  2 14:02:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
Message-ID: <20071002.140617.24826.0@webmail02.dca.untd.com>

Is the rest of the Big Ten really saying "if we could only get rid of Northwestern things would be much better"?  That is a sack of hooey.

Why do you think the faculty and non-revenue sports at Notre Dame wanted to joing the Big Ten and only football did not?  It was because the Big Ten is more than just a football-men's basketball conference.  

http://bigten.cstv.com/school-bio/big10-school-bio.html
The Big Ten Conference is an association of 11 world-class universities whose member institutions share a common mission of research, graduate, professional and undergraduate teaching and public service. Intercollegiate athletics has an important place within the mission.

Having talked with current/former football and men's basketball players at NGN and FBC functions I respect the caliber of student they are.  I would not want to do anything to water this down.  As an engineer I also love it when I see players in Tech.

Are a few wins worth potentially damaging NUs reputation?

As for the "cheating" quote I truly believe that universities must slow down the slide into professionalism of college sports.  Northwestern, Stanford, Duke, Rice, Tulane, Vanderbilt, Wake Forest, etc. are the moral compass for college athletics.  If those schools start to ease eventually schools like Alabama will accept students that can't even color within the lines.

-- "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
<There is a big, big range between NU's current standards, and becoming a 
"JUCO Haven".  And tell me again why relaxing our own standard constitutes 
"cheating".

<I say it's hypocritical for NU to accept the financial rewards of being in 
the Big Ten--rewards earned almost entirely by our conference-mates--and yet 
refuse to make the same level of commitment.  We can continue to hope and 
pray for 1995-style lightning in a bottle--and we may catch it from time to 
time--but such moments will be vastly outnumbered by such debacles as we saw 
in Columbus two weeks ago.

RIGHT ON, ARTHUR!

What is wrong with a kid being a little unfocused out of high school, 
entering the military to get his act together, muster out and spend a year 
or two getting his academics and attitude in order while he stars at 
football, and then going to a big time college like Northwestern?  Why 
should we automatically toss off such individuals as losers?  I have never 
suggested that we toss academic standards out the window.  I have said 
lighten up in a few cases.  If NU could get a consistent winner and draw 
better crowds, then we could lure more of those academic-athlete types away 
from places like Duke, Stanford, and Wake Forest.  And it's not just 
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From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Oct  2 15:21:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
Message-ID: <100220072027.23264.4702A9A900044AC500005AE02216525806090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

When NU was going through a 20 plus losing streak all e ere  ere leaches on the rest of the Big Ten.  It was no wonder that the rest of the conference hoped we would drop out.  We sure don't want to head back to those kind of days.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> <There is a big, big range between NU's current standards, and becoming a 
> "JUCO Haven".  And tell me again why relaxing our own standard constitutes 
> "cheating".
> 
> <I say it's hypocritical for NU to accept the financial rewards of being in 
> the Big Ten--rewards earned almost entirely by our conference-mates--and yet 
> refuse to make the same level of commitment.  We can continue to hope and 
> pray for 1995-style lightning in a bottle--and we may catch it from time to 
> time--but such moments will be vastly outnumbered by such debacles as we saw 
> in Columbus two weeks ago.
> 
> RIGHT ON, ARTHUR!
> 
> What is wrong with a kid being a little unfocused out of high school, 
> entering the military to get his act together, muster out and spend a year 
> or two getting his academics and attitude in order while he stars at 
> football, and then going to a big time college like Northwestern?  Why 
> should we automatically toss off such individuals as losers?  I have never 
> suggested that we toss academic standards out the window.  I have said 
> lighten up in a few cases.  If NU could get a consistent winner and draw 
> better crowds, then we could lure more of those academic-athlete types away 
> from places like Duke, Stanford, and Wake Forest.  And it's not just 
> athletes.  Remember how applications soared after the '95 season? 
> 
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Tue Oct  2 18:10:54 2007
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Tue Oct  2 18:04:50 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
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At 08:23 AM 10/2/2007, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

>Look, we have this conversation every few months and
>it seems even more pointless to have it in the middle
>of the season ...

I'm with Stephen. The past few weeks have been discouraging, but let's get 
a little perspective, please?

Northwestern football, 1990-1994: 13-41-1, 8-32 Big Ten
Northwestern football, 2002-2006: 26-35, 17-23 Big Ten

Not to mention...
Michigan State football, 2002-2006: 26-34, 14-26 Big Ten
Indiana football, 2002-2006: 17-41, 7-33 Big Ten
Illinois football, 2002-2006: 13-45, 6-34 Big Ten

While we're obviously not world-beaters, the notion that we're somehow back 
in the pre-Rose Bowl days -- or that we are hopelessly outclassed by Big 
Ten rivals with their allegedly enormous recruiting bases -- is 
demonstrably ludicrous. Oh, and if every school that got blown out by Ohio 
State recently had to leave the Big Ten, it would be something like the Big 
Four.

Look, we've got an unexpectedly inexperienced head coach and an injured 
would-be MVP. Let's all take a deep breath, shall we? I'd at least prefer 
to see what happens with the rest of this season (if not the next few 
seasons) before even entertaining some of the...interesting notions that 
have popped up lately. Automatic insta-panic does no one any good.


---
Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu 


From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Tue Oct  2 18:11:12 2007
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Tue Oct  2 18:04:53 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] West lot pass for Iowa game?
Message-ID: <d477ce9c0710021611q65ace1fblb104847edcc8beae@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

I'm writing on behalf of the NU Law Sports Law Society, and myself.  The
Sports Law Society is trying to put together a social event for NU Law
students to come tailgate at the Iowa game, and they're looking for an extra
West Lot pass so they can set up a tailgate for NU Law students before and
after the game.  I am trying to help them, because as an NU undergraduate
alum, I'm all for NU Law students coming out to support their adoptive team.
:)

If any of you know where I might be able to get an extra pass for that game,
please let me know. :)

Thank you!

Jonathan Hawkins
Northwestern University
School of Law, 2009
College of Arts & Sciences, 2003
NUMBAlum (1996, 1999, 2000, 2001)
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 20:32:50 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Oct  2 20:26:18 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 6
Message-ID: <949423.23727.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Showdown Saturday lost a little luster in the flurry
of upsets last week, but at least the Big Ten still
has a 5-0 vs. 5-0 matchup left with the game in West
Lafayette.:)

So many good games this week that we don't even need
to pick up the Thursday game, although Kentucky-South
Carolina is shaping up to be a heck of a game this
year. So, picks due by kickoff Saturday - should be a
dandy!

PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 6
######################
Name: 

BIG TEN
=======
GAME  1: Wisconsin @ Illinois
WINNER : 

GAME  2: Minnesota @ Indiana
WINNER : 

GAME  3: Iowa @ Penn State
WINNER : 

GAME  4: Eastern Michigan @ Michigan
WINNER : 

GAME  5: Ohio State @ Purdue
WINNER : 

NATIONAL
========
GAME  6: Florida @ Louisiana State
WINNER : 

GAME  7: Georgia @ Tennessee
WINNER : 

GAME  8: Oklahoma vs. Texas (@ Dallas, TX)
WINNER : 

GAME  9: Nebraska @ Missouri
WINNER : 

GAME 10: Virginia Tech @ Clemson
WINNER : 

MY PICKS
========
* WISCONSIN 35, Illinois 31 - Tempted to go with the
upset, but it's too easy to jump on the Zookerwagon.
Yeah, they'd be 5-0 if they could hang on to the ball,
but they show their youth here as the Badgers continue
to win ugly, but win.

* INDIANA 42, Minnesota 17 - Great story for the
Hoosiers as they keep on track for the bowl game
Hoeppner knew they could make.

* PENN STATE 18, Iowa 6 - Aside from Michigan, no team
has given JoePa as many fits recently as the Hawkeyes.
They've had some U-G-L-Y games as well (wasn't one 4-2
or something like that?:) ). But the Nits need a win
and are at home, while Iowa's banged up.

* MICHIGAN 49, Eastern Michigan 0 - After surviving a
scare in Evanston to jolt the Wolverines back to
reality, no focus lost here.

* OHIO STATE 23, Purdue 20 - Great prime time game for
ABC this week as the Big Ten's best offense faces the
best defense. Close, but the Bucks' D saves it late
with a turnover.

* LSU 26, Florida 13 - The Gators were exposed and
humbled last week while LSU has looked better each
week - plus this one's at night, and even the Mighty
Gators shake at the thought of Tiger Stadium after
dark.

* TENNESSEE 20, Georgia 17 - Is the SEC awesome this
year, or is it slipping into parity, where all the
teams not named LSU could finish with 2 or 3 league
losses? The Dawgs are good on the road, but the Vols
need a win and get it at home.

* OKLAHOMA 24, Texas 10 - Last week aside, OU is the
class of the Big XII and should roll to the BCS from
here out.

* MISSOURI 37, Nebraska 33 - Are the Tigers that good?
No, but neither is Nebraska (especially their D) and
so Mizzou gets a big win at home.

* VIRGINIA TECH 16, Clemson 14 - In the topsy turvy
mediocrity of the ACC that makes the Vegas line people
go insane, the Hokies win here to bounce back in the
hunt.

And off the board ...

* NORTHWESTERN 31, Michigan State 27 - Classic trap
game for Sparty coming off a stinging defeat at Wisky
last week. NU played well for three quarters before
giving away the game vs. Michigan. The Cats know they
can move the ball on Sparty and remember last year's
collapse to build an early lead and hang on late.

Picks due by Saturday!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


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From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Tue Oct  2 22:34:36 2007
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Tue Oct  2 22:28:21 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] final thoughts RE: 4th Quarter
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Eric, I?m not insta-panicking.  I am going to offer some final thoughts, and then shut up and return to Lurker Mode (?at last!?, they said):
 
I don?t like the idea of reducing academic standards; it?s just not the culture at NU, and agree that something seems wrong about it.  I?d love to see NU form a football-only conference with like-minded schools: Duke, Stanford, Wake Forest, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Rice, BC, Army, Navy, and Air Force.  I think such a conference would be a lot of fun to follow, and could send the right message to the rest of the country about the ideal of the student-athlete by imposing high standards around academic eligibility, academic progress, graduation rates, etc.  The member programs would compete on a more equal footing, which should result in parity over the long term (ask yourself: is there a perennial doormat or superpower in the list above?)  The benefits would IMHO more than make up for the reduced TV and bowl revenue of such a conference.  It would allow us to gracefully opt out of our present arms race against large state universities, some of whom have only minimal academic expectations of themselves.
 
Barring this pipe dream, we must accept that the economics of college football & men?s hoops have changed dramatically in the past 20 years.  If NU doesn?t pull our weight in the Big Ten (as defined by our ability to attract fan interest, relative to the others) then our days are numbered.  Oh, they won?t boot us out anytime soon, but it is delusional to ignore economic reality, because economic reality ALWAYS catches up with you eventually.  Ask the USSR.
 
I agree that we have done fairly well in football over the past 10 years.  But economic reality says that we have to accomplish much more than just being competitive--we have to attract lots of fans.  This is where NU is failing miserably, as recent Ryan Field attendance figures will attest.  The odds are stacked against us, due to our small size and the fact that we don?t represent an entire state, so in order to attract as many football fans as even a mediocre Indiana or Illinois, we?re going to have to do much, MUCH better than going 26-35 in the past 5 years.
 
?They can?t kick us out--we?re a charter member of the Big Ten!?  Yeah, but what if the conference disbanded in favor of some TBD super-conference?  If this happened, it is almost a certainty that we would be left behind, just as Rice was when the once-great Southwest Conference disintegrated in the face of--you guessed it--economic reality.  It could happen to NU.  Something?s gotta give, eventually.
 
Cheers,
Art Miller
 
 
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Oct  2 22:44:39 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct  2 22:39:09 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] final thoughts RE: 4th Quarter
Message-ID: <d0e.139a4e49.34346a27@aol.com>

Art,
Your "dream conference" is a very interesting concept, albeit quite radical  
in some respects, but why limit it only to football?  If there's any sport  
where NU certainly doesn't measure up to Big Ten standards, it's Men's  Hoops.  
And as for other sports, NU and its new conference mates can hold  their own 
in many of them.
 
By the way, speaking of Hoops, how come the deafening silence here in terms  
of today's resounding victory for one of our all-time greats in Women's  
Basketball, Anucha Browne Sanders?  I met Anucha at NU Sports Night in NY  over 
Summer, the annual NU Club of NY event.  She was impressive then, and  knowing 
what I knew about the case, and about discrimination cases in general  (as my 
partners do a lot of them, and I am sometimes involved), I was not  surprised 
that Madison Square Garden, James Dolan (one of the worst owners in  
professional sports, a one-man wrecking crew), and Isaiah Thomas got creamed by  the 
jury.  This was a train wreck waiting to happen, and the arrogant  defendants 
spurned settlement and now are publicly humiliated and stand to be  much poorer as 
well.
 
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From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  2 23:56:50 2007
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Tue Oct  2 23:50:14 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] This is silly
Message-ID: <934625.19827.qm@web60725.mail.yahoo.com>

At the risk of over-simplifying, I think it's time to put things in perspective.

It all boils down to this: What's more important, sports or classes?  What do we want Northwestern to be known for the most?  What should Northwestern stand for?  When past, present and future students think of Northwestern, what's the first thing that comes to mind -- you know, word association?

I think it's incredibly clear.  Do you know anyone (who's not an athlete) who chose NU solely for football or basketball, let alone any of our other sports?

Northwestern is about academics - about Kellogg and Medill, Kresge and Tech.  That's what we're known for.  It should be what we're known for.  The rest is a bonus - an added reason that NU is great.  It is NOT the end-all, be-all.

Sure, there's room for both - but the point is, what should our priority be?  What comes first?  Seems clear to me.
 
I'm a huge sports fan, I love watching the Cats play, and I had a helluva time in 2000, my sophomore year.  I worked the sidelines for WNUR at the Michigan game.  I was in the booth for the Illinois game that clinched a tie for the Big Ten championship.  I enjoyed a great trip to San Antonio (if not the game itself).  I'll always remember all that.  But when I think back on my four years of college, sporting events just don't top my list of memories.

With a crappy football team, Northwestern is still Northwestern.  With crappy academics, we are most definitely not.

OK, I'm stepping off the soapbox now.  Who's next?

-- Ben


----- Original Message ----
From: Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 4:10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter


At 08:23 AM 10/2/2007, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

>Look, we have this conversation every few months and
>it seems even more pointless to have it in the middle
>of the season ...

I'm with Stephen. The past few weeks have been discouraging, but let's get 
a little perspective, please?

Northwestern football, 1990-1994: 13-41-1, 8-32 Big Ten
Northwestern football, 2002-2006: 26-35, 17-23 Big Ten

Not to mention...
Michigan State football, 2002-2006: 26-34, 14-26 Big Ten
Indiana football, 2002-2006: 17-41, 7-33 Big Ten
Illinois football, 2002-2006: 13-45, 6-34 Big Ten

While we're obviously not world-beaters, the notion that we're somehow back 
in the pre-Rose Bowl days -- or that we are hopelessly outclassed by Big 
Ten rivals with their allegedly enormous recruiting bases -- is 
demonstrably ludicrous. Oh, and if every school that got blown out by Ohio 
State recently had to leave the Big Ten, it would be something like the Big 
Four.

Look, we've got an unexpectedly inexperienced head coach and an injured 
would-be MVP. Let's all take a deep breath, shall we? I'd at least prefer 
to see what happens with the rest of this season (if not the next few 
seasons) before even entertaining some of the...interesting notions that 
have popped up lately. Automatic insta-panic does no one any good.


---
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Wed Oct  3 06:25:22 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Wed Oct  3 06:21:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] I think the thing everyone on the sports list keeps
	forgetting:
Message-ID: <20071003.062522.18484.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

I think the thing everyone on the sports list keeps forgetting:
1) Fitz is *really* a first year h/c this year with no coordinator experience.  He's starting to assert himself as the "CEO" of the program now  

2) McGee is still feeling his way out as OC.  Randy expected to be able to mentor McGee along.  McGee finally showed an ability to properly scout and develop a game plan for the team he was against this last week.

3) Colby still doesn't have the personnel to play a 3/4 D which is his specialty and what he wanted to do from the day he came here.  Maybe it's time to look to someone else to lead the defense (the LB coach?).

4) CJ just finished his "trial by fire" having played in 11 consecutive games (starting 10) and learned probably more in the last game than he did in many of the others about finishing and ball protection.

5) Sutton, who was expected to be a HUGE part of the offense, hasn't played at all in the three losses which has led McGee to throw a lot more (except for running a lot of counter with Conteh against Michigan).

6) The D line is just starting to assert itself.  They have a lot of experience but still have a ways to go in terms of growth - many juniors and sophomores in the rotation.

7) Smith is out for the season and it was expected he'd be a big part of the D (and had been for the prior 2 years).  Phillips is learning in a trial by fire situation and is doing a decent job, but he's not Brendan

8) The O line just started gelling finally last week and there's only 2 seniors in the rotation 

9) Fitz is just now starting to play the best 11 available on both sides of the ball - Q Davie getting a start at WSLB and Arrington playing in place of injured FE Simpson at SSLB is part of that

10) We have to be more creative in our recruiting at certain positions (such as CB) where it's hard to get kids who are academically eligible at that position

11) We have fielded very competitive teams over the last 1 1/2 decades, even if we've had losing seasons they haven't been 70-7 scores (for the most part).


I think these people need to take a step back and get some perspective.  Let Fitz coach and make his mistakes this season (eg, taking the points off the board against Duke) so that he can be better and the program as a whole can be better.  He's here for the long haul and just needs the right people around him on staff. Last year and this have not really been the time to "evaluate the staff" as he needed to provide some consistency to his players' lives after losing their coach....

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From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Wed Oct  3 07:35:02 2007
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct  3 07:29:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] This is silly
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How about worst football program, never went to NCAA Bball, etc.? I learned at Kellogg that there is a solution to every problem, get market share even if you have to buy it or can the product. Losing does nobody no good.


When past, present and future students think of Northwestern, what's the first 
thing that comes to mind -- you know, word association?




-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Adler <whosonfirst81@yahoo.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 12:56 am
Subject: [NU Sports] This is silly



At the risk of over-simplifying, I think it's time to put things in perspective.

It all boils down to this: What's more important, sports or classes?  What do we 
want Northwestern to be known for the most?  What should Northwestern stand for?  
When past, present and future students think of Northwestern, what's the first 
thing that comes to mind -- you know, word association?

I think it's incredibly clear.  Do you know anyone (who's not an athlete) who 
chose NU solely for football or basketball, let alone any of our other sports?

Northwestern is about academics - about Kellogg and Medill, Kresge and Tech.  
That's what we're known for.  It should be what we're known for.  The rest is a 
bonus - an added reason that NU is great.  It is NOT the end-all, be-all.

Sure, there's room for both - but the point is, what should our priority be?  
What comes first?  Seems clear to me.
 
I'm a huge sports fan, I love watching the Cats play, and I had a helluva time 
in 2000, my sophomore year.  I worked the sidelines for WNUR at the Michigan 
game.  I was in the booth for the Illinois game that clinched a tie for the Big 
Ten championship.  I enjoyed a great trip to San Antonio (if not the game 
itself).  I'll always remember all that.  But when I think back on my four years 
of college, sporting events just don't top my list of memories.

With a crappy football team, Northwestern is still Northwestern.  With crappy 
academics, we are most definitely not.

OK, I'm stepping off the soapbox now.  Who's next?

-- Ben


----- Original Message ----
From: Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 2, 2007 4:10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter


At 08:23 AM 10/2/2007, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

>Look, we have this conversation every few months and
>it seems even more pointless to have it in the middle
>of the season ...

I'm with Stephen. The past few weeks have been discouraging, but let's get 
a little perspective, please?

Northwestern football, 1990-1994: 13-41-1, 8-32 Big Ten
Northwestern football, 2002-2006: 26-35, 17-23 Big Ten

Not to mention...
Michigan State football, 2002-2006: 26-34, 14-26 Big Ten
Indiana football, 2002-2006: 17-41, 7-33 Big Ten
Illinois football, 2002-2006: 13-45, 6-34 Big Ten

While we're obviously not world-beaters, the notion that we're somehow back 
in the pre-Rose Bowl days -- or that we are hopelessly outclassed by Big 
Ten rivals with their allegedly enormous recruiting bases -- is 
demonstrably ludicrous. Oh, and if every school that got blown out by Ohio 
State recently had to leave the Big Ten, it would be something like the Big 
Four.

Look, we've got an unexpectedly inexperienced head coach and an injured 
would-be MVP. Let's all take a deep breath, shall we? I'd at least prefer 
to see what happens with the rest of this season (if not the next few 
seasons) before even entertaining some of the...interesting notions that 
have popped up lately. Automatic insta-panic does no one any good.


---
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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Wed Oct  3 08:13:55 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Oct  3 08:08:01 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Anucha
In-Reply-To: <d0e.139a4e49.34346a27@aol.com>
References: <d0e.139a4e49.34346a27@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0CDD8D8D@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>

I heard a report on NPR where Anucha was interviewed.

She was impressive.  Were I someone looking for an articulate credible
representative, she convinced me.

She famed this case as a victory not only for women, but for all the
honorable men who have mothers, wives, sisters, and daughters in the work
force.

I don't know what these guys were thinking, but clearly it is another example
of pride (or maybe anatomy) going before the fall.

Jeff


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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of NEONRye@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:45 PM
To: artmiller1@hotmail.com; e-west@northwestern.edu; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] final thoughts RE: 4th Quarter

Art,
Your "dream conference" is a very interesting concept, albeit quite radical
in some respects, but why limit it only to football?  If there's any sport
where NU certainly doesn't measure up to Big Ten standards, it's Men's
Hoops.  
And as for other sports, NU and its new conference mates can hold  their own
in many of them.
 
By the way, speaking of Hoops, how come the deafening silence here in terms
of today's resounding victory for one of our all-time greats in Women's
Basketball, Anucha Browne Sanders?  I met Anucha at NU Sports Night in NY
over Summer, the annual NU Club of NY event.  She was impressive then, and
knowing what I knew about the case, and about discrimination cases in general
(as my partners do a lot of them, and I am sometimes involved), I was not
surprised that Madison Square Garden, James Dolan (one of the worst owners in
professional sports, a one-man wrecking crew), and Isaiah Thomas got creamed
by  the jury.  This was a train wreck waiting to happen, and the arrogant
defendants spurned settlement and now are publicly humiliated and stand to be
much poorer as well.
 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Oct  3 08:19:21 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Oct  3 08:12:19 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Anucha
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We used to call it "thinking with the wrong head."

<g>

rsl

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============================================
> 
> I don't know what these guys were thinking, but clearly it is another
> example
> of pride (or maybe anatomy) going before the fall.
> 
> Jeff
> 


From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Wed Oct  3 08:32:02 2007
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct  3 08:27:03 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Anucha
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I bought a bronze statue in Tanjore (Tamil Nadu) yesterday which is a lingum with the face of shiva on it, will call it dichead. btw, a girlfriend from Westchester took me to see Isiah play HS bball one night, I will never forget hoping NU could get him. Best HS player I ever saw.


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To: 'Jeff Beamsley' <jeff.beamsley@hilgraeve.com>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 9:19 am
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Anucha



We used to call it "thinking with the wrong head."

<g>

rsl

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======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All ===========
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> 
> I don't know what these guys were thinking, but clearly it is another
> example
> of pride (or maybe anatomy) going before the fall.
> 
> Jeff
> 


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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Wed Oct  3 08:52:48 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct  3 08:47:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
Message-ID: <c1a.234b0e24.3434f8b0@aol.com>

All this talk of recruiting, standards and facilities fails to note the  most 
significant fact - our talented players are hamstrung with three of the  
worst assistants in Division I football:
 
- Garrick McGee, No OC experience, no apparent OC skills
- Jerry Brown, awful DC 'kicked upstairs' to Assistant Head and DB Coach,  
and he coaches them incompetently - does he have pictures of Bienen or something 
 ?
- Greg Colby, worst DC in the country (NCAA rankings prove it)
 
Get rid of these three clowns, quit hamstringing our players with  
incompetent assistants.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Wed Oct  3 09:12:23 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Oct  3 09:06:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] final thoughts RE: 4th Quarter
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There is some logic to your argument if all the BT cared about was football
and basketball.  Were that the case, I agree that NU likely would have left
for a less football-centric conference.

Fortunately, as other posters have already pointed out, the BT is about a lot
more including academics.  

So what we may lack in basketball and football (at least in attendance), we
more than make up for in academics, women's sports, golf, etc.

With the understanding of a biased perspective, I think that the BT is proud
to have Northwestern as a member.  We are the only private school.  We are
the smallest school.  We are an academic and research leader, and we're still
willing to strap it on every Saturday and slug it out with the "big" schools.
Just as one example, our student graduation rate helps balance out the low
rates from schools like OSU.  In return, OSU shares a little football revenue
with us.  It's a good deal the whole way 'round.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Arthur Miller
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:35 PM
To: Eric West; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] final thoughts RE: 4th Quarter


Eric, I'm not insta-panicking.  I am going to offer some final thoughts, and
then shut up and return to Lurker Mode ("at last!", they said):
 
I don't like the idea of reducing academic standards; it's just not the
culture at NU, and agree that something seems wrong about it.  I'd love to
see NU form a football-only conference with like-minded schools: Duke,
Stanford, Wake Forest, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Rice, BC, Army, Navy, and Air
Force.  I think such a conference would be a lot of fun to follow, and could
send the right message to the rest of the country about the ideal of the
student-athlete by imposing high standards around academic eligibility,
academic progress, graduation rates, etc.  The member programs would compete
on a more equal footing, which should result in parity over the long term
(ask yourself: is there a perennial doormat or superpower in the list above?)
The benefits would IMHO more than make up for the reduced TV and bowl revenue
of such a conference.  It would allow us to gracefully opt out of our present
arms race against large state universities, some of whom have only minimal
academic expectations of themselves.
 
Barring this pipe dream, we must accept that the economics of college
football & men's hoops have changed dramatically in the past 20 years.  If NU
doesn't pull our weight in the Big Ten (as defined by our ability to attract
fan interest, relative to the others) then our days are numbered.  Oh, they
won't boot us out anytime soon, but it is delusional to ignore economic
reality, because economic reality ALWAYS catches up with you eventually.  Ask
the USSR.
 
I agree that we have done fairly well in football over the past 10 years.
But economic reality says that we have to accomplish much more than just
being competitive--we have to attract lots of fans.  This is where NU is
failing miserably, as recent Ryan Field attendance figures will attest.  The
odds are stacked against us, due to our small size and the fact that we don't
represent an entire state, so in order to attract as many football fans as
even a mediocre Indiana or Illinois, we're going to have to do much, MUCH
better than going 26-35 in the past 5 years.
 
"They can't kick us out--we're a charter member of the Big Ten!"  Yeah, but
what if the conference disbanded in favor of some TBD super-conference?  If
this happened, it is almost a certainty that we would be left behind, just as
Rice was when the once-great Southwest Conference disintegrated in the face
of--you guessed it--economic reality.  It could happen to NU.  Something's
gotta give, eventually.
 
Cheers,
Art Miller
 
 
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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Wed Oct  3 09:17:44 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Oct  3 09:11:44 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Anucha
In-Reply-To: <000001c805c0$02c5b430$08511c90$@com>
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Clearly Thomas and Dolan are made for each other.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: Roy Lamberton [mailto:rstetson@capps-assoc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 9:19 AM
To: Jeff Beamsley; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Anucha

We used to call it "thinking with the wrong head."

<g>

rsl

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======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All =========== "You have a Republic Madam --
     If you can keep it" - Benjamin Franklin
============================================
> 
> I don't know what these guys were thinking, but clearly it is another 
> example of pride (or maybe anatomy) going before the fall.
> 
> Jeff
> 



From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 09:36:38 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Oct  3 09:30:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 4th Quarter
In-Reply-To: <c1a.234b0e24.3434f8b0@aol.com>
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It would have been tough for Fitz to make changes in his assistants after
being on the job for only a few months at the end of last season, and if he
had someone in mind for the job one would think he must wait for them to be
available.

In any case I hope we'll see some changes in the offseason, but I will
refrain from calling from their heads mid-season (which wouldn't help either
the current team or recruiting efforts).

Jonathan


On 10/3/07, CHerron604@aol.com <CHerron604@aol.com> wrote:
>
> All this talk of recruiting, standards and facilities fails to note
> the  most
> significant fact - our talented players are hamstrung with three of the
> worst assistants in Division I football:
>
> - Garrick McGee, No OC experience, no apparent OC skills
> - Jerry Brown, awful DC 'kicked upstairs' to Assistant Head and DB Coach,
> and he coaches them incompetently - does he have pictures of Bienen or
> something
> ?
> - Greg Colby, worst DC in the country (NCAA rankings prove it)
>
> Get rid of these three clowns, quit hamstringing our players with
> incompetent assistants.
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
>
>
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Oct  3 09:38:46 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Oct  3 09:33:10 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] final thoughts RE: 4th Quarter
In-Reply-To: <4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0CDD8DA2@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>
References: <000f01c804eb$7c197d10$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
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Good point about the revenue sharing - the Big Ten is pretty equal in terms
of its revenue sharing (at least from TV contracts - obviously revenue from
memorabilia sales and ticket sales is another story where NU is lacking) and
thanks to being in the conference, NU can fund its other athletic programs -
of which many have seen lots of recent success.

Jonathan


On 10/3/07, Jeff Beamsley <jeff.beamsley@hilgraeve.com> wrote:
>
> There is some logic to your argument if all the BT cared about was
> football
> and basketball.  Were that the case, I agree that NU likely would have
> left
> for a less football-centric conference.
>
> Fortunately, as other posters have already pointed out, the BT is about a
> lot
> more including academics.
>
> So what we may lack in basketball and football (at least in attendance),
> we
> more than make up for in academics, women's sports, golf, etc.
>
> With the understanding of a biased perspective, I think that the BT is
> proud
> to have Northwestern as a member.  We are the only private school.  We are
> the smallest school.  We are an academic and research leader, and we're
> still
> willing to strap it on every Saturday and slug it out with the "big"
> schools.
> Just as one example, our student graduation rate helps balance out the low
> rates from schools like OSU.  In return, OSU shares a little football
> revenue
> with us.  It's a good deal the whole way 'round.
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Arthur Miller
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:35 PM
> To: Eric West; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] final thoughts RE: 4th Quarter
>
>
> Eric, I'm not insta-panicking.  I am going to offer some final thoughts,
> and
> then shut up and return to Lurker Mode ("at last!", they said):
>
> I don't like the idea of reducing academic standards; it's just not the
> culture at NU, and agree that something seems wrong about it.  I'd love to
> see NU form a football-only conference with like-minded schools: Duke,
> Stanford, Wake Forest, Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, Rice, BC, Army, Navy, and
> Air
> Force.  I think such a conference would be a lot of fun to follow, and
> could
> send the right message to the rest of the country about the ideal of the
> student-athlete by imposing high standards around academic eligibility,
> academic progress, graduation rates, etc.  The member programs would
> compete
> on a more equal footing, which should result in parity over the long term
> (ask yourself: is there a perennial doormat or superpower in the list
> above?)
> The benefits would IMHO more than make up for the reduced TV and bowl
> revenue
> of such a conference.  It would allow us to gracefully opt out of our
> present
> arms race against large state universities, some of whom have only minimal
> academic expectations of themselves.
>
> Barring this pipe dream, we must accept that the economics of college
> football & men's hoops have changed dramatically in the past 20 years.  If
> NU
> doesn't pull our weight in the Big Ten (as defined by our ability to
> attract
> fan interest, relative to the others) then our days are numbered.  Oh,
> they
> won't boot us out anytime soon, but it is delusional to ignore economic
> reality, because economic reality ALWAYS catches up with you
> eventually.  Ask
> the USSR.
>
> I agree that we have done fairly well in football over the past 10 years.
> But economic reality says that we have to accomplish much more than just
> being competitive--we have to attract lots of fans.  This is where NU is
> failing miserably, as recent Ryan Field attendance figures will
> attest.  The
> odds are stacked against us, due to our small size and the fact that we
> don't
> represent an entire state, so in order to attract as many football fans as
> even a mediocre Indiana or Illinois, we're going to have to do much, MUCH
> better than going 26-35 in the past 5 years.
>
> "They can't kick us out--we're a charter member of the Big Ten!"  Yeah,
> but
> what if the conference disbanded in favor of some TBD
> super-conference?  If
> this happened, it is almost a certainty that we would be left behind, just
> as
> Rice was when the once-great Southwest Conference disintegrated in the
> face
> of--you guessed it--economic reality.  It could happen to NU.  Something's
> gotta give, eventually.
>
> Cheers,
> Art Miller
>
>
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Oct  3 09:53:25 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct  3 09:48:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Anucha
Message-ID: <cb3.1c20162e.343506e5@aol.com>

I met Anucha at the NU Club of NY function.  She is articulate,  soft-spoken 
and, yes, quite impressive.  Clearly, she represents the Purple  and White as 
an alumna in a Court of Law just as well as she did on the court at  
Welsh-Ryan.
 
Paul Levinson



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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Wed Oct  3 11:24:44 2007
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Wed Oct  3 11:19:21 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] I think the thing everyone on the sports list
	keepsforgetting:
In-Reply-To: <20071003.062522.18484.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>
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For whatever my opinion is worth: I think Maureen's post is excellent.
 I would only add a thought that is really my very good friend Neil
Kaplan's, and so I credit him: while Northwestern can and should be
competitive with the likes of Ohio State and Michigan, our margin for
error is so slim -- given the talent and depth-chart issues that will
always surround our program, in part because of our commitment to the
concept of the student-athlete -- that we must play sound football each
and every week to win. No turnovers. No or few penalties.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of mlinhardt@netzero.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:25 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Subject: [NU Sports] I think the thing everyone on the sports list
keepsforgetting:

I think the thing everyone on the sports list keeps forgetting:
1) Fitz is *really* a first year h/c this year with no coordinator
experience.  He's starting to assert himself as the "CEO" of the program
now  

2) McGee is still feeling his way out as OC.  Randy expected to be able
to mentor McGee along.  McGee finally showed an ability to properly
scout and develop a game plan for the team he was against this last
week.

3) Colby still doesn't have the personnel to play a 3/4 D which is his
specialty and what he wanted to do from the day he came here.  Maybe
it's time to look to someone else to lead the defense (the LB coach?).

4) CJ just finished his "trial by fire" having played in 11 consecutive
games (starting 10) and learned probably more in the last game than he
did in many of the others about finishing and ball protection.

5) Sutton, who was expected to be a HUGE part of the offense, hasn't
played at all in the three losses which has led McGee to throw a lot
more (except for running a lot of counter with Conteh against Michigan).

6) The D line is just starting to assert itself.  They have a lot of
experience but still have a ways to go in terms of growth - many juniors
and sophomores in the rotation.

7) Smith is out for the season and it was expected he'd be a big part of
the D (and had been for the prior 2 years).  Phillips is learning in a
trial by fire situation and is doing a decent job, but he's not Brendan

8) The O line just started gelling finally last week and there's only 2
seniors in the rotation 

9) Fitz is just now starting to play the best 11 available on both sides
of the ball - Q Davie getting a start at WSLB and Arrington playing in
place of injured FE Simpson at SSLB is part of that

10) We have to be more creative in our recruiting at certain positions
(such as CB) where it's hard to get kids who are academically eligible
at that position

11) We have fielded very competitive teams over the last 1 1/2 decades,
even if we've had losing seasons they haven't been 70-7 scores (for the
most part).


I think these people need to take a step back and get some perspective.
Let Fitz coach and make his mistakes this season (eg, taking the points
off the board against Duke) so that he can be better and the program as
a whole can be better.  He's here for the long haul and just needs the
right people around him on staff. Last year and this have not really
been the time to "evaluate the staff" as he needed to provide some
consistency to his players' lives after losing their coach....

Maureen Linhardt
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Oct  3 13:02:32 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Oct  3 12:56:55 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] I think the thing everyone on the sports
	listkeepsforgetting:
References: <20071003.062522.18484.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>
	<33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF031D2214@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
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Alan Abrahamson wrote...
> given the talent and depth-chart issues that will
> always surround our program, in part because of our commitment to the
> concept of the student-athlete -- that we must play sound football each
> and every week to win. No turnovers. No or few penalties.

That is every team's goal but an unreasonable expectation.  As long as we 
don't have the talent to makeup for mistakes, we're .500 on a good year with 
an occasional dip into moderately greater success.  Worse, always looming 
overhead, is the omnipresent possibility of returning to doormatville as 
continued mediocrity sends prize recruits elsewhere.  Maureen's suggestions 
are like practicing pacifism.  They are lovely thoughts, laudable goals, but 
in the real world sooner or later the warrior kills the undefended. 


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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Wed Oct  3 14:21:45 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Oct  3 14:15:49 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] I think the thing everyone on the
	sportslistkeepsforgetting:
In-Reply-To: <000301c805e7$9240e590$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
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	<000301c805e7$9240e590$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
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Dennis,

I understand that there is comfort describing the world in black and white.
It allows you to stay on message with every response.  In the case of this
argument, you suggest that you either make winning football games a priority
or you are a loser.

If you look outside, though, it is a rainbow.

Every school that has a football program makes some compromise between
athletics and academics.  As much as we criticize schools like OSU, there are
kids that they would like to admit that they can't.  Those are the ones that
go to the JUCO football factories.  

I happen to have an ethical problem with promising a kid a scholarship and
not delivering an education.  Instead the high powered programs promise a
ticket to the NFL, but very few of those promises get delivered on either.
That's why I support those programs, like NU, where all the kids graduate
with real degrees.  

Otherwise, it is logically just a race to the bottom.  Myles Brand and the
NCAA are trying to stop or at least slow that race.  They recognize the
damage that would be done to the college game and those that play it, if it
ever become just about winning football games.  

If you are able to think outside the box, just for minute.  Imagine if
scholarships were tied to some formula of graduation rates and post graduate
employment (indicating that you actually learned something valuable).
Suddenly NU would jump to the front of the race by being able to offer more
scholarships than its BT competitors.  Winning football games would be
aligned with the institutional goals of graduating players with marketable
skills.  How would you feel at NU then?

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 2:03 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I think the thing everyone on the
sportslistkeepsforgetting:

Alan Abrahamson wrote...
> given the talent and depth-chart issues that will always surround our 
> program, in part because of our commitment to the concept of the 
> student-athlete -- that we must play sound football each and every 
> week to win. No turnovers. No or few penalties.

That is every team's goal but an unreasonable expectation.  As long as we
don't have the talent to makeup for mistakes, we're .500 on a good year with
an occasional dip into moderately greater success.  Worse, always looming
overhead, is the omnipresent possibility of returning to doormatville as
continued mediocrity sends prize recruits elsewhere.  Maureen's suggestions
are like practicing pacifism.  They are lovely thoughts, laudable goals, but
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Oct  3 18:41:23 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Oct  3 18:36:03 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] I think the thing everyone on
	thesportslistkeepsforgetting:
References: <20071003.062522.18484.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com><33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF031D2214@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com><000301c805e7$9240e590$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
	<4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0CDD8E23@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <000501c80616$e86af530$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Sigh.  I'll try one more time and then drop the issue because I have nothing 
new to add.  You are debating issues I never brought up.

> I understand that there is comfort describing the world in black and 
> white.

This is your description, which is not reflective of anything I have said on 
this subject.

> You suggest that you either make winning football games a priority
> or you are a loser.

If winning is so unimportant, then why put a football/basketball team out 
there?  The coaching staff is judged principally by wins.  If Cooper had won 
more at OSU, he would still be there.  Attendance, matriculation of new 
athletes (and ordinary students), and university sports income sports is all 
predicated on one thing:  WINNING.  That's why we can't get butts into the 
seats, and what fannies are found there are about as likely to be rooting 
for the other team as NU.

> Every school that has a football program makes some compromise between
> athletics and academics.

When did I ever state that athletics should rein supreme over academics?  I 
never said that we should take the next great, illiterate defensive end and 
ignore his class-skipping.  I said clearly that NU could take a FEW key 
athletes they might not otherwise take and shepherd them through the 
academic system.  I'll add "with even more care than usual."  You could make 
one heck of a student out of someone.

> Those are the ones that go to the JUCO football factories.

Where is it written that a JUCO is automatically disqualified from being a 
good student?  When I mentioned elitism before, this is what I meant.
>
> I happen to have an ethical problem with promising a kid a scholarship and
> not delivering an education.

These are your words and not reflective of anything I have said.

> If you are able to think outside the box, just for minute.

The inside of the box is the recruiting status quo at NU.  I offered an 
entirely new concept - for NU at least.

>  Imagine if scholarships were tied to some formula of graduation rates and 
> post graduate
> employment (indicating that you actually learned something valuable).
> Suddenly NU would jump to the front of the race by being able to offer 
> more
> scholarships than its BT competitors.  Winning football games would be
> aligned with the institutional goals of graduating players with marketable
> skills.  How would you feel at NU then?

OK, that's out of the box.  Worth thinking about if you forget post-grad 
employment.  A loss of a scholarship for each x% not graduating?  I'm for 
it.  I can hear Jim Tressel screaming now.  I'm not sure Joe Paterno 
wouldn't be for it.  He was the mastermind behind Proposition 40.  Coaches 
would probably want some slack for those who leave school to turn pro.  That 
is different than spending four years and walking away with nothing.

Final word:  NU never has made a genuine effort to field quality football 
and men's basketball teams by comparison to other schools in the Big 10. 
The basketball woes remain utterly incomprehensible when you consider Duke, 
Stanford, Georgetown, etc.  Either do the job right or 1) drop the sport, or 
2) adopt an Ivy League concept.  If we can't achieve an overall 50-50 chance 
of beating Ohio State and Michigan instead of our traditional 10-90 
(Michigan) and 2-98 (Ohio State), we don't deserve to be in the league with 
them athletically. 

From lvaccher at comcast.net  Wed Oct  3 19:08:20 2007
From: lvaccher at comcast.net (Louie Vaccher)
Date: Wed Oct  3 19:02:14 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] I think the thing everyone
	onthesportslistkeepsforgetting:
References: <20071003.062522.18484.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com><33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF031D2214@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com><000301c805e7$9240e590$c402a8c0@DennisMachine><4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0CDD8E23@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>
	<000501c80616$e86af530$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <001301c8061a$ac518880$c379104c@Louie>

I just want to interject a little history here. Dennis said:

If we can't achieve an overall 50-50 chance
> of beating Ohio State and Michigan instead of our traditional 10-90 
> (Michigan) and 2-98 (Ohio State), we don't deserve to be in the league 
> with them athletically.

No one in the Big Ten has a 50-50 shot of beating Michigan and Ohio State in 
football...except for Michigan and Ohio State, of course. If we used that as 
a criterion, the Big Ten would be the Big Two.

Ohio State's media guide does not include the Buckeyes' records against each 
opponent, but Michigan's does. Here are Michigan's all-time records against 
Big Ten opponents, with the exception of OSU:

Illinois: 65-21-2
Indiana: 50-9
Iowa: 40-10-4
MSU: 66-28-5
Minnesota: 68-24-3
NU: 52-14-2
Penn State: 10-3
Purdue: 40-12
Wisconsin: 48-11-1
Overall record: 439-132-17 (.768)

(NU's winning percentage against Michigan, by the way, is better than 
Indiana's, Iowa's and Wisconsin's.)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] I think the thing everyone 
onthesportslistkeepsforgetting:


> Sigh.  I'll try one more time and then drop the issue because I have 
> nothing new to add.  You are debating issues I never brought up.
>
>> I understand that there is comfort describing the world in black and 
>> white.
>
> This is your description, which is not reflective of anything I have said 
> on this subject.
>
>> You suggest that you either make winning football games a priority
>> or you are a loser.
>
> If winning is so unimportant, then why put a football/basketball team out 
> there?  The coaching staff is judged principally by wins.  If Cooper had 
> won more at OSU, he would still be there.  Attendance, matriculation of 
> new athletes (and ordinary students), and university sports income sports 
> is all predicated on one thing:  WINNING.  That's why we can't get butts 
> into the seats, and what fannies are found there are about as likely to be 
> rooting for the other team as NU.
>
>> Every school that has a football program makes some compromise between
>> athletics and academics.
>
> When did I ever state that athletics should rein supreme over academics? 
> I never said that we should take the next great, illiterate defensive end 
> and ignore his class-skipping.  I said clearly that NU could take a FEW 
> key athletes they might not otherwise take and shepherd them through the 
> academic system.  I'll add "with even more care than usual."  You could 
> make one heck of a student out of someone.
>
>> Those are the ones that go to the JUCO football factories.
>
> Where is it written that a JUCO is automatically disqualified from being a 
> good student?  When I mentioned elitism before, this is what I meant.
>>
>> I happen to have an ethical problem with promising a kid a scholarship 
>> and
>> not delivering an education.
>
> These are your words and not reflective of anything I have said.
>
>> If you are able to think outside the box, just for minute.
>
> The inside of the box is the recruiting status quo at NU.  I offered an 
> entirely new concept - for NU at least.
>
>>  Imagine if scholarships were tied to some formula of graduation rates 
>> and post graduate
>> employment (indicating that you actually learned something valuable).
>> Suddenly NU would jump to the front of the race by being able to offer 
>> more
>> scholarships than its BT competitors.  Winning football games would be
>> aligned with the institutional goals of graduating players with 
>> marketable
>> skills.  How would you feel at NU then?
>
> OK, that's out of the box.  Worth thinking about if you forget post-grad 
> employment.  A loss of a scholarship for each x% not graduating?  I'm for 
> it.  I can hear Jim Tressel screaming now.  I'm not sure Joe Paterno 
> wouldn't be for it.  He was the mastermind behind Proposition 40.  Coaches 
> would probably want some slack for those who leave school to turn pro. 
> That is different than spending four years and walking away with nothing.
>
> Final word:  NU never has made a genuine effort to field quality football 
> and men's basketball teams by comparison to other schools in the Big 10. 
> The basketball woes remain utterly incomprehensible when you consider 
> Duke, Stanford, Georgetown, etc.  Either do the job right or 1) drop the 
> sport, or 2) adopt an Ivy League concept.  If we can't achieve an overall 
> 50-50 chance of beating Ohio State and Michigan instead of our traditional 
> 10-90 (Michigan) and 2-98 (Ohio State), we don't deserve to be in the 
> league with them athletically.
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Wed Oct  3 22:22:02 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct  3 22:16:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] I think the thing everyone on the
	sportslistkeepsforgetting:
Message-ID: <bc3.1a422887.3435b65a@aol.com>

Jeff and list friends,
 
  Not sure where you're going with asking "what if" questions  concerning 
academics/# of scholarships.  Dennis does present a black/white  case: We are 
trying to beat teams composed with 3-5 star recruits with our 1-3  stars.  If we 
do this on a long term basis, we will lose more than we will  win.  It's 
really that simple.
 
  You saw the Nevada game.  This was an aha! type of game that  proved that 
our OL and DL's were not that good.  As I'm pleased that the  overall 
performance increased considerably vs. Mich., attrition is starting to  take it's toll. 
Now Brendan smith has gone down.
 
  We should all remember that Coach K. at Duke gets a marginal student  every 
once in a while, and I don't see Duke going "down the drain."  These  are 
students who don't have "off the chart" SAT's, but get decent grades and  work 
hard.  What would be wrong with admitting this type of student?
 
  As far as our "worthiness" in the Big 10, we've finished 29th and  31st in 
the Director's Cup the past two seasons,  so we're doing something  right, 
somewhere. But back to the football question.  I believe that  starting this week 
we'll get start getting some well needed wins.  My thing  is this: we need to 
go 2-1 the next 3 games, period.  3-0 would be nice,  but out of Iowa, 
Indiana and Ill-noise, there's 2 wins in there some place. BTW,  anyone hear if 
Sutton will play?
 
  As always, thanks for letting me share.    GO  CATS!!!               Eric



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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Oct  3 23:16:48 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Oct  3 23:16:52 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] I think the thing everyone (fwd)
Message-ID: <200710040416.l944GmqD024068@romaine.tssi.com>

> Ohio State's media guide does not include the Buckeyes' records against each 
> opponent, but Michigan's does. 

The OSU wiki page has the following:

Opponent        W-L-T record
Chicago         10-2-2
Illinois        60-29-4
Indiana         65-12-5
Iowa            44-14-3
Michigan        40-57-6
Michigan State  25-12-0
Minnesota       39-7-0
Northwestern    57-14-1
Penn State      11-11-0
Purdue          35-12-2
Wisconsin       50-17-5
TOTAL           436-187-28
--
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Oct  4 00:12:09 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct  4 00:06:32 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <c1c.1ffd5b8f.3435d029@aol.com>

By the way  ,has anyone seen the article suggesting Michigan may have had an 
ineligle player during their first few games and may have to forfeit those 
games?  Tough way to win one, but stay tuned !

Harry


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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Oct  4 05:25:09 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Oct  4 05:19:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Ineligible player
References: <c1c.1ffd5b8f.3435d029@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004901c80670$d747a640$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

By the way  ,has anyone seen the article suggesting Michigan may have had an ineligle player during their first few games and may have to forfeit those games?  Tough way to win one, but stay tuned !

Believe me.  The story is in every Pennsylvania newspaper in headlines.
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 06:15:11 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu Oct  4 06:08:46 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Ineligible player
In-Reply-To: <004901c80670$d747a640$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
References: <c1c.1ffd5b8f.3435d029@aol.com>
	<004901c80670$d747a640$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270710040415w1b997333q130f6c74fce13b06@mail.gmail.com>

Here's the AP article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21082674/

Apparently the compliance didn't do its homework as the coaching staff
reportedly had no knowledge that the freshman was ineligible according to
Big Ten (not NCAA rules).

Therefore, there is a chance that the Big Ten could take action on the Penn
State game (since the previous game in which he played, Notre Dame, was a
non-conference matchup - and as well all know Michigan lost their first 2
games anyways).

I sincerely doubt there is any chance the Big Ten will force Michigan to
vacate a win within the season for something like one ineligible player -
such a large punishment would really be unprecedented especially at the
college level.  In fact, I am not sure if I know of any circumstance where a
team has had to forfeit a game from that same season (typically, like the
Michigan basketball recruiting scandal, the investigation takes place years
beyond that season and the wins are "erased" from the record books long
after it would have any impact on the season).  I'm not even sure what
recourse is available to the conference, although I would imagine it would
be things like reducing the number of scholarships or something like that
(since investigations like this are typically handled by the NCAA).

In any case, I wouldn't count on the Big Ten to step in and change the W/L
record of teams mid-season, especially since Michigan reported it themselves
and are obviously trying to avoid harsh consequences.

Jonathan

On 10/4/07, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> By the way  ,has anyone seen the article suggesting Michigan may have had
> an ineligle player during their first few games and may have to forfeit
> those games?  Tough way to win one, but stay tuned !
>
> Believe me.  The story is in every Pennsylvania newspaper in headlines.
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Thu Oct  4 07:06:29 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Oct  4 07:00:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] I think the thing everyone on the
	sportslistkeepsforgetting:
Message-ID: <100420071206.27231.4704D745000876FC00006A5F2212020784090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

I thoought that they were thinking of getting Sutton a medical redshirt, i.e. he would be done for the season.

John  DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: WildElk2@aol.com
> Jeff and list friends,
>  
>   Not sure where you're going with asking "what if" questions  concerning 
> academics/# of scholarships.  Dennis does present a black/white  case: We are 
> trying to beat teams composed with 3-5 star recruits with our 1-3  stars.  If we 
> do this on a long term basis, we will lose more than we will  win.  It's 
> really that simple.
>  
>   You saw the Nevada game.  This was an aha! type of game that  proved that 
> our OL and DL's were not that good.  As I'm pleased that the  overall 
> performance increased considerably vs. Mich., attrition is starting to  take 
> it's toll. 
> Now Brendan smith has gone down.
>  
>   We should all remember that Coach K. at Duke gets a marginal student  every 
> once in a while, and I don't see Duke going "down the drain."  These  are 
> students who don't have "off the chart" SAT's, but get decent grades and  work 
> hard.  What would be wrong with admitting this type of student?
>  
>   As far as our "worthiness" in the Big 10, we've finished 29th and  31st in 
> the Director's Cup the past two seasons,  so we're doing something  right, 
> somewhere. But back to the football question.  I believe that  starting this 
> week 
> we'll get start getting some well needed wins.  My thing  is this: we need to 
> go 2-1 the next 3 games, period.  3-0 would be nice,  but out of Iowa, 
> Indiana and Ill-noise, there's 2 wins in there some place. BTW,  anyone hear if 
> Sutton will play?
>  
>   As always, thanks for letting me share.    GO  CATS!!!               Eric
> 
> 
> 
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Thu Oct  4 07:09:23 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Oct  4 07:03:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <100420071209.6045.4704D7F300003B370000179D2212020784090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

The Harrisburg, PA newspaper had a story about that.  Joe Pa's reaction was Micigan beat us so that is all that ccounts.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Hakirsch@aol.com
> By the way  ,has anyone seen the article suggesting Michigan may have had an 
> ineligle player during their first few games and may have to forfeit those 
> games?  Tough way to win one, but stay tuned !
> 
> Harry
> 
> 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Oct  4 07:14:06 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Oct  4 07:08:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Red-shirtting Sutton
References: <100420071206.27231.4704D745000876FC00006A5F2212020784090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000701c80680$0fd99f40$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

One free master's degree, coming up.  That ain't the worst thing that could 
happen to Tyrell.  Obviously the knee is bad.  Hadn't heard any mention of 
that before. 

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  4 07:21:55 2007
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Thu Oct  4 07:15:13 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Ineligible player (hopefully not)
Message-ID: <592788.37629.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I hope that Michigan does not have to void it's 3 victories. I certainly don't mind the Cats picking up another W for bowl eligibility reasons, but that would give ND a paper victory and that's too high a price to pay. I, for one, hope that nothing spoils Notre Dame's perfect season.

Jim


       
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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Thu Oct  4 08:09:45 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Thu Oct  4 08:03:46 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Ineligible player
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270710040415w1b997333q130f6c74fce13b06@mail.gmail.com>
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	<fcb3ee270710040415w1b997333q130f6c74fce13b06@mail.gmail.com>
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The best part of this story IMHO is how JoePa reacted.

He said that the game was won on the field and he didn't want to have any
part in taking a win away from the kids who played the game.

You gotta love that guy.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:15 AM
To: Dennis W. Brandt
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ineligible player

Here's the AP article:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21082674/

Apparently the compliance didn't do its homework as the coaching staff
reportedly had no knowledge that the freshman was ineligible according to Big
Ten (not NCAA rules).

Therefore, there is a chance that the Big Ten could take action on the Penn
State game (since the previous game in which he played, Notre Dame, was a
non-conference matchup - and as well all know Michigan lost their first 2
games anyways).

I sincerely doubt there is any chance the Big Ten will force Michigan to
vacate a win within the season for something like one ineligible player -
such a large punishment would really be unprecedented especially at the
college level.  In fact, I am not sure if I know of any circumstance where a
team has had to forfeit a game from that same season (typically, like the
Michigan basketball recruiting scandal, the investigation takes place years
beyond that season and the wins are "erased" from the record books long after
it would have any impact on the season).  I'm not even sure what recourse is
available to the conference, although I would imagine it would be things like
reducing the number of scholarships or something like that (since
investigations like this are typically handled by the NCAA).

In any case, I wouldn't count on the Big Ten to step in and change the W/L
record of teams mid-season, especially since Michigan reported it themselves
and are obviously trying to avoid harsh consequences.

Jonathan

On 10/4/07, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> By the way  ,has anyone seen the article suggesting Michigan may have 
> had an ineligle player during their first few games and may have to 
> forfeit those games?  Tough way to win one, but stay tuned !
>
> Believe me.  The story is in every Pennsylvania newspaper in headlines.
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>



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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Thu Oct  4 08:12:07 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Thu Oct  4 08:06:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] I think the thing everyone on the
	sportslistkeepsforgetting:
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Sutton's high ankle sprain will definitely keep him on the sidelines this
week, although it is unknown if he will definitely be out for the rest of
the season.  If he can return this year he most likely will since a "medical
redshirt" (a.k.a. hardship waiver) is by no means a definite thing and if a
player is able to return during the season that will probably exclude him
from being eligible for such a waiver.  In any case I hope that Tyrell is
able to fully heal and see the field again soon - whether or not he gets an
extra year of eligibility is something that will be addressed when the time
arises.

Jonathan

On 10/4/07, johnadeg@comcast.net <johnadeg@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I thoought that they were thinking of getting Sutton a medical redshirt,
> i.e. he would be done for the season.
>
> John  DeGroat
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: WildElk2@aol.com
> > Jeff and list friends,
> >
> >   Not sure where you're going with asking "what if"
> questions  concerning
> > academics/# of scholarships.  Dennis does present a black/white  case:
> We are
> > trying to beat teams composed with 3-5 star recruits with our
> 1-3  stars.  If we
> > do this on a long term basis, we will lose more than we will  win.  It's
> > really that simple.
> >
> >   You saw the Nevada game.  This was an aha! type of game that  proved
> that
> > our OL and DL's were not that good.  As I'm pleased that the  overall
> > performance increased considerably vs. Mich., attrition is starting
> to  take
> > it's toll.
> > Now Brendan smith has gone down.
> >
> >   We should all remember that Coach K. at Duke gets a marginal
> student  every
> > once in a while, and I don't see Duke going "down the
> drain."  These  are
> > students who don't have "off the chart" SAT's, but get decent grades
> and  work
> > hard.  What would be wrong with admitting this type of student?
> >
> >   As far as our "worthiness" in the Big 10, we've finished 29th
> and  31st in
> > the Director's Cup the past two seasons,  so we're doing
> something  right,
> > somewhere. But back to the football question.  I believe that  starting
> this
> > week
> > we'll get start getting some well needed wins.  My thing  is this: we
> need to
> > go 2-1 the next 3 games, period.  3-0 would be nice,  but out of Iowa,
> > Indiana and Ill-noise, there's 2 wins in there some place. BTW,  anyone
> hear if
> > Sutton will play?
> >
> >   As always, thanks for letting me share.    GO  CATS!!!
> Eric
> >
> >
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Oct  4 09:15:06 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Oct  4 09:09:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Ineligible player (hopefully not)
References: <592788.37629.qm@web36810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001c80690$f77de760$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Michigan's ineligible guy didn't come to Evanston, so our defeat is secure.

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Oct  4 09:18:31 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Oct  4 09:18:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Ineligible player (hopefully not) (fwd)
Message-ID: <200710041418.l94EIVNf025744@romaine.tssi.com>

> I hope that Michigan does not have to void it's 3 victories. I certainly don't mind the Cats picking up another W for bowl eligibility reasons, but that would give ND a paper victory and that's too high a price to pay. I, for one, hope that nothing spoils Notre Dame's perfect season.

Though it appears it doesn't matter in our case, I don't think forfeits 
affect bowl eligibility rules, only the on-the-field results count.  

Nobody remembers the forfeits, anyway.  
--
Mike Nolan

From CHerron604 at aol.com  Thu Oct  4 09:59:13 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct  4 09:54:53 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Ineligible player
Message-ID: <bd6.1a5d0cfe.343659c1@aol.com>

This is the same big-hearted guy who, a couple of years ago, was badgering  
referees, making strange comments about female sportswriters, and a referee  
figure was hanging in effigy in front of his house - so I can't embrace the  
man's heart too much...It seems that he becomes magnanimous when the record  
allows it.
 
_http://www.slate.com/id/2133675/_ (http://www.slate.com/id/2133675/) 
 
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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Thu Oct  4 10:18:37 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct  4 10:15:55 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Ineligible player (hopefully not) (fwd)
Message-ID: <c75.19d37549.34365e4d@aol.com>

As an example, wasn't the Rose Bowl loss actually forfeited back to us  ?  I 
recall GB at the time dismissing the forfeit, saying USC had won it on  the 
field.
 
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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Thu Oct  4 10:47:48 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Thu Oct  4 10:41:52 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Ineligible player
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I didn't say he was perfect.
 
Also I can't say whether he is still capable of doing his job.
 
He is the product of an older generation that has seen a lot of change.  Some
of them he has embraced and others he hasn't.
 
Whether you like him or not, you have to admire the competitive fire that
burns in him but doesn't consume his sense of the way the game should be
played.
 
I can share that my wife years ago was raising money for a kids orchestra in
Texas.  She sent all of the coaches in the BT letters asking for something
that she could auction off at the fund raiser.  Joe not only was the only one
who responded, but actually sent something that he signed. 
 
Jeff

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Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:59 AM
To: Jeff Beamsley; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Ineligible player


This is the same big-hearted guy who, a couple of years ago, was badgering
referees, making strange comments about female sportswriters, and a referee
figure was hanging in effigy in front of his house - so I can't embrace the
man's heart too much...It seems that he becomes magnanimous when the record
allows it.
 
http://www.slate.com/id/2133675/
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  4 10:50:48 2007
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Thu Oct  4 10:44:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Two more cents ...
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--- Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:

> So true, but under Walker there was a big effort in preparing for the
> 4th quarter - the O-line expected to dominate at the end of the game,
and I honestly think they wore down as the game ended.

I think you're right that the offense seemed to run out of steam,
especially the O-line. I'm sure Fitz hopes for the same kind of
conditioning and stamina, but maybe he is not (yet?) as effective at
making it happen?

On the other hand, I think the defense stayed as tough as you could
possibly expect. Any defense would have run out of steam after the 3rd
or 4th consecutive. Perhaps under Fitz the defense is a little more
"driven" year round, whereas under Walker it was the offense. That
wouldn't be surprising, really, given their respective backgrounds.

One other thing--conditioning certainly appeared to be a big factor in
2000, but as we found out in 2001, that *may* have been in part because
some players were doing things they shouldn't have, in terms of taking
risky supplements and so forth. 

Tom


From Hakirsch at aol.com  Thu Oct  4 10:57:59 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct  4 10:52:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Ineligible player
Message-ID: <d03.1c73c5d9.34366787@aol.com>

Let me also chime in and say the same about Joe Pa--Sure he isnt perfect,  
but how much better would college football be if more schools had Joe Pa's type  
coaches.
 
I remember as a Patriot fan growing up, he turned down fwhat was  then a very 
lucrative  proposal to be be coach and GM ,because he  preferred working with 
the kids at a lot less money--(turned out he probably  made a lot more 
sticking around , not to mention a lot more enjoyment)--I knew  from then on--he was 
tops---- He has been one of the classiest coaches out  there--He stands for 
all the good things Bob Knight does, but has few of his bad  traits (yes he can 
hound the refs)
 
Harry



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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Thu Oct  4 11:21:39 2007
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Thu Oct  4 11:15:12 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Ineligible player
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> but has few of his bad  traits (yes he can hound the refs)

Isn't that a *good* trait? ;-)

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Oct  4 13:33:33 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Oct  4 13:33:37 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Ineligible player
Message-ID: <200710041833.l94IXXSB026578@romaine.tssi.com>

> > but has few of his bad  traits (yes he can hound the refs)
> 
> Isn't that a *good* trait? ;-)

Has JoePa ever received a 15 yard penalty (the equivalent of a Technical)
for hounding the refs?  Has he thrown things on the field when he didn't
like a ruling?  Has he ever received an apology from the Big 10 for 
bad officiating?

I'd take 1 Joe Paterno over 10 Bobby Knights any day.
--
Mike Nolan

From NEONRye at aol.com  Thu Oct  4 14:59:43 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct  4 15:13:55 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Ineligible player
Message-ID: <c46.20b78cc6.3436a02f@aol.com>

Or 20 Woody Hayes.



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  5 00:34:44 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Oct  5 00:28:01 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
Message-ID: <964289.20149.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Just running through TiVo and found out that for the
third straight week, Northwestern will be featured on
Tuesday's Big Ten Network "Greatest Games" series.

After a bummer with last year's MSU game this week, we
return to the thrill of victory next week with the
2000 Minnesota game and Victory Right. Does it inspire
the goosebumps and chills of 2000 Michigan? No. But I
do remember throwing objects at my TV in disgust and,
while not turning it off, finding other work to do
during the game when yet another improbable purple
comeback paid off with an amazing finish.

Sadly, I think our streak ends the following week. I
can remember a wonderful NU-Purdue game in 1995 and
some slugfests during the later Walker years, but not
really one that fits into the greatest games mold.

GO CATS!!!
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  5 01:09:51 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Fri Oct  5 01:03:09 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
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Other games since 1995 that should/could have been part of the Big Ten 
classic games series:

1996 vs. Wisconsin
1996 vs. Michigan
2001 vs. Michigan State
2005 vs. Northern Illinois
2005 vs. Iowa

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  5 01:10:47 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Fri Oct  5 01:17:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
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Other games since 1995 that should/could have been part of the Big Ten 
classic games series:

1996 vs. Wisconsin
1996 vs. Michigan
2001 vs. Michigan State
2005 vs. Northern Illinois
2005 vs. Iowa

From CHerron604 at aol.com  Fri Oct  5 01:51:59 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Oct  5 01:46:37 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
Message-ID: <bf6.1fd2dfc4.3437390f@aol.com>

Don't forget 1995 Wisconsin.  We actually shut-out a very good  team.  Will 
we ever see one of those again ?
 
Chuck Herron    Tech '85



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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Fri Oct  5 11:40:59 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Fri Oct  5 11:34:09 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
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Message-ID: <4706691B.4080407@earthlink.net>

Since we're talking about what games the Big Ten Network should show on 
their classic games series, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want to show a 
35-0 blowout!  The ones I listed were all nail biters.   --  Jim


CHerron604@aol.com wrote:
> Don't forget 1995 Wisconsin.  We actually shut-out a very good team.  
> Will we ever see one of those again ?
>  
> Chuck Herron    Tech '85

From CHerron604 at aol.com  Fri Oct  5 12:05:42 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Oct  5 12:00:00 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
Message-ID: <cf7.1bd4100d.3437c8e6@aol.com>

There have to be some fans out there who appreciate a defensive masterpiece  
more than a shootout (at least, I hope there are).  Unfortunately, ESPN has  
been popularizing the notion that a 49-48 shootout is some kind of a  classic.  
There was a time when the 1966 Michigan State-Notre Dame game  (10-10 tie) 
was considered 'The Game of the Century'.  I fear we are moving  away from that 
standard.
 
PS - If we don't show 1995 Wisconsin-NU on the Big Ten Network, can we at  
least strap Colby and Brown into chairs and make them view it 20-30 times  ?  
Maybe something will sink in...
 
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Oct  5 13:02:47 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Oct  5 13:13:55 2007
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
Message-ID: <cad.1a989710.3437d647@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/5/2007 11:01:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, Hakirsch  
writes:

 
There  was a time when the 1966 Michigan State-Notre Dame game  (10-10 tie)  
was considered 'The Game of the Century'


Hard to believe this one will ever be surpassed in my lifetime
 
Harry



 



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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Oct  5 14:41:02 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Oct  5 14:33:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
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According to the media guide, "In 1995, Brown's secondary was one of the main
reasons that NU led the country in scoring defense."

If that paragraph is true, I think he saw that game...maybe even had a hand in
the result?

rsl

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> PS - If we don't show 1995 Wisconsin-NU on the Big Ten Network, can we at
> least strap Colby and Brown into chairs and make them view it 20-30 times
> ?
> Maybe something will sink in...
> 
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Oct  5 23:17:14 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Oct  5 23:10:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
In-Reply-To: <cf7.1bd4100d.3437c8e6@aol.com>
Message-ID: <301308.84654.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> There have to be some fans out there who appreciate
> a defensive masterpiece  
> more than a shootout (at least, I hope there are). 
> Unfortunately, ESPN has  
> been popularizing the notion that a 49-48 shootout

Well, to be fair, I don't think we can blame it on
ESPN.:) Remember, as the saying goes, defense may win
championships but offense puts people in the seats.

Plus, it's not like ESPN has had a lot of defensive
slugfests to choose from lately. We're clearly in an
offense-dominated era of football right now with the
spread attacks and all.

Look at the top 25 right now - I hear about USC's
great defense, but they have allowed their share of
points. LSU's probably as close to a dominant
defensive team as we see right now and not many others
in the top 25 are playing much D.

But no need to begrudge the instant classics either -
they're entertaining and have plenty more storylines
than just an offensive show. The defenses in
NU-Michigan 2000 may have been taking the day off, but
there was still some great offensive execution that
day. And the comeback at NU-Minnesota wasn't something
you see every day either.

And you want D? The other Big Ten classic game this
week was 2002 OSU-Purdue -- a great defensive chess
match with that gutsy 4th and 1 call to go deep for
the win instead of run it up the gut. Though even that
great OSU defense had to win their title in a 31-24
shootout.:)

> There was a time when the 1966 Michigan State-Notre
> Dame game  (10-10 tie) 
> was considered 'The Game of the Century'.  I fear we

I dunno, I'm of the opinion that a tie game - by
definition - can not be the game of the century.:) I
may not have been alive at the time of the game, but
from the replays, there seem to have been better 1 vs.
2 matchups in the last couple decades.

> PS - If we don't show 1995 Wisconsin-NU on the Big
> Ten Network, can we at  
> least strap Colby and Brown into chairs and make

Hah! With Bucky off our schedule, it's unlikely we'll
get a Badger-Cats game on the slate. And if we do, the
1996 or 2000 wins in Madison or our last game in
Evanston probably take precedence. Though I will
admit, that 35-0 stompin' still brings a mighty wide
grin to my face.

GO CATS!!!
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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Sat Oct  6 00:14:06 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct  6 00:08:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
Message-ID: <c97.1964018b.3438739e@aol.com>

Just Thinkin"  ...  Why aren't we playing  Wisconsin every year?   I know the 
Big 10 has decreed Purdue and  Illinois as our yearly rivals, but what can be 
done to change this?  How  many great games has each team played against 
other needs to be played to  warrant a yearly game?  
   Let's see.   In the past 19 games, we're 9-10.   Very close.
                     - Attendance vs. Wisky always equals a sell-out or near 
sell out at Dyche.
                     - always a huge purple turn out in Madison, as I 
remember NUMB up there a  numb(er)  of times.
   Could it be that Barry A. doesn't like losing to NU every  other year?  
Not sure if that's it, but on this list we're always looking  for ways to put 
more fannies in the seats; I believe the answer is right there  in front of us; 
and 75 miles northwest.
   Sparty- Would like to simply refer to past games where the  Spartans under 
achieved and NU smacked 'em in the mouth.  I think that last  week's effort 
did more good than the previous 5 weeks;  we proved we could  run without 
Sutton, and Sparty has given up a lot of yards on defense.
   Also, in years past, as the Big 10 season wears on, we have a  tendency to 
play better.  I contribute this to familiarity, as you know our  scouts are 
"out there."
   I am calling for an upset tomorrow, as our Cats will prevent  turnovers 
and deliver a 37-27 win. Pat will have us ready; I can;t believe that  this game 
is as important to MSU as it is to NU.
   As always,   GO  CATS!!!                 Eric



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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Sat Oct  6 00:35:22 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct  6 00:29:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
Message-ID: <ca4.1a7d163a.3438789a@aol.com>

While I love the NU Media Guide (as a 22-year season ticket holder, I have  
about 18 of them), I have learned to separate the objective from the  
subjective.
 
OBJECTIVE
 
Greg Colby was born February 25, 1952 (I'll accept that).
 
SUBJECTIVE
 
"Since coming to Northwestern, the Wildcat defense has seen steady  
improvement under Colby."
 
I am going to wait a bit before endorsing that one...
 
I do not remember the 1995 D-backs playing 7-8 yards off of the opposing  
receivers.
 
PS - If the Athletic Department has writers skilled enough to make some of  
our assistants' accomplishments appear praiseworthy, how come that same  
department can't use those skills to better market our product, attendance-wise  ?
 
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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Sat Oct  6 01:23:15 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct  6 01:17:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
Message-ID: <be6.1e4f9ae1.343883d3@aol.com>

Does anybody remember the rationale for making Purdue our 'other' protected  
conference foe ?  Illinois was obvious - Did Wisconsin already have 2  natural 
rivals (Minnesota, obviously).  
 
PS - Doesn't Minnesota have natural rivalries with Iowa (Floyd), Wisconsin  
(Paul's axe) and Michigan (the jug) ?  Does one of those disappear from  time 
to time ?
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From JHCCLARK at aol.com  Sat Oct  6 08:53:46 2007
From: JHCCLARK at aol.com (JHCCLARK@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct  6 08:50:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue "Rivalry" (was "Classic,
	thy name is Northwestern...")
Message-ID: <050F317F.7ECB96FD.006D6456@aol.com>

Yes, I remember this.

A while after Penn State joined, the conference realized that the random choices of 2-year conference schedules was unfair, especially (I believe) when teams missed both Michigan and Ohio State for 2 years straight, or (as happened to NU) missed both OSU & PSU in 1999 & 2000.

They explored a 9-game conference schedule (which, with an 11-team conference, was mathematically impossible) and a 10-game round robin schedule (which left only one non-conference game at the time).  

Then some math whiz found that if you divided the conference into 3 groups, you could regulate the missed teams on a permanent schedule.  The groups were:

GROUP A:  Iowa - Minnesota - Wisconsin
GROUP B:  Illinois - Indiana - Northwestern - Purdue
GROUP C:  Michigan - Michigan State - Ohio State - Penn State

Each team would have two "rivals" from their group, which they would always play.  For example, Iowa had Minny & Wisky, and Michigan was given Michigan State & Ohio State.  For us, it was Illinos and either Purdue or Indiana, and as Illinois-Indiana seemed like a better rivalry than Northwestern-Indiana, we got Purdue.

The schedules were then easier to make, as every two-year HOME/away cycle occurred, a team missed two teams that were not "rivals", each missed team coming from a different group, so that no team missed both Michigan and Ohio State in the same two-year cycle.

For (B)Northwestern, it plays out like this (teams missed, letters indicating groups):

(A)Iowa/(C)Michigan State
(A)Minnesota/(C)Penn State
(A)Wisconsin/(C)Michigan
(B)Indiana/(C)Ohio State
   but always playing (B)Illinois & (B)Purdue

For (A)Wisconsin, it could be:

(B)Illinois/(C)Michigan
(B)Indiana/(C)Michigan State
(B)Northwestern/(C)Ohio State
(B)Purdue/(C)Penn State
   but always playing (A)Iowa & (A)Minnesota.

For (C)Michigan, it could be:

(A)Iowa/(B)Illinois
(A)Minnesota/(B)Indiana (UMush misses Minny 2 years out of 8)
(A)Wisconsin/(B)Northwestern
(C)Penn State/(B)Purdue
   but always playing (C)Ohio State & (C)Michigan State.

Note:  Ohio State always plays Michigan and Penn State each year, as those are considered its "rivals".  Michigan does not always play Penn State, but rather gets Michigan State.

In a message dated 10/6/2007 2:23:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, CHerron604@aol.com writes:

>Does anybody remember the rationale for making Purdue our 'other' protected conference foe ?  Illinois was obvious - Did Wisconsin already have 2  natural rivals (Minnesota, obviously).  
> 
>PS - Doesn't Minnesota have natural rivalries with Iowa (Floyd), Wisconsin (Paul's axe) and Michigan (the jug) ?  Does one of those disappear from  time to time ?
> 
>Chuck Herron   Tech '85

From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Oct  6 12:52:47 2007
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (J.R. McCullough)
Date: Sat Oct  6 12:46:29 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Great first half -- now let's finish
Message-ID: <004101c80841$b4c98020$6401a8c0@JROFFICEHP>

I'm very impressed with the game plan this week, as well as the execution. The QB draw on 3rd down was absolutely the right call. Unfortunately, this was one play that was not executed well.

We're lighting it up on 3rd down. Gotta keep the pressure on. Score every time we get the ball!

J.R.
From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Oct  6 13:00:19 2007
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Oct  6 12:54:30 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Great first half -- now let's finish
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF031D22A4@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Score, please, anyone?
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I'm very impressed with the game plan this week, as well as the execution. The QB draw on 3rd down was absolutely the right call. Unfortunately, this was one play that was not executed well.

We're lighting it up on 3rd down. Gotta keep the pressure on. Score every time we get the ball!

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From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Oct  6 13:18:08 2007
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (J.R. McCullough)
Date: Sat Oct  6 13:11:49 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] So much for finishing
Message-ID: <005001c80845$3f6b9580$6401a8c0@JROFFICEHP>

14 straight points. No we're tied. Great 73-yard TD pass, but we have GOT to figure out the defense. We are so inept on D it is disgusting.

J.R.
From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  6 13:55:19 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sat Oct  6 13:48:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] purdue
Message-ID: <71557.45511.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I believe the reason was that after everybody else
matched up NU and Perdoo were the only ones left. That
simple.

bw

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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Oct  6 14:47:47 2007
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Oct  6 14:41:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 48-41
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF031D22AA@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

 Hallelujah!
 Now the comment that shows I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue: Wildcats are in the hunt for a bowl game. 
 Wild. 

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  6 14:56:52 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Oct  6 14:50:01 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!!
In-Reply-To: <71557.45511.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <745950.61827.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I don't care how awful our defensive tackling on sweep
or toss plays was.

I don't care that our special teams were a mixed blags
of nice blocks and poor FG snaps and kicks.

All I care about was that CJ Bacher was absolutely
frickin' ON FIRE today and led our team to a MUCH
NEEDED win in East Lansing!

In fact, just give the entire offense game balls. MSU
came out the second half hitting as hard as you can
legally but the line kept holding off their blitz,
Conteh kept fighting for yards, CJ kept his cool and
Peterman, Ross, Thompason, Yarborough and Ward kept
making the clutch 3rd and long catches.

This wasn't bad D by MSU, though they were sloppy at
times. This was precision execution by as focused an
offense I've seen in awhile in purple. McGee really
seems to be finding a rhythm as a play caller these
last two weeks and the execution and poise is right
where it needs to be.

We needed this one. After blowing the Duke game,
getting whacked at OSU and giving away Michigan, we
showed a lot of heart here.

So now we're 3-3 and staring at a second half where
there are certainly no gimmes, but where all games are
winnable if we play like we did on offense today and
shore up the tackling on D to Michigan game levels.

Let's start next week by mashing Minnesota for
homecoming.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  6 15:04:24 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Oct  6 14:57:32 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
In-Reply-To: <be6.1e4f9ae1.343883d3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <985393.65423.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Does anybody remember the rationale for making
> Purdue our 'other' protected  
> conference foe ?  Illinois was obvious - Did

Well, as others have mentioned, you could only have
two and NU-PU were left over. I'm sure it helped that
Purdue is our closest rival in terms of mileage as
well.

> Wisconsin already have 2  natural 
> rivals (Minnesota, obviously).  

Yes - while Wisky-NU have been good rivals in recent
years, their series with Iowa and Minny go further
back (and it looks like their Illini rivalry --
playing off that Bears/Packer hatred -- is heating up
again:) ).

> PS - Doesn't Minnesota have natural rivalries with
> Iowa (Floyd), Wisconsin  
> (Paul's axe) and Michigan (the jug) ?  Does one of

Don't stop there. Minny plays for trophies with
seemingly everyone in the league. I guess they had to
narrow it down and probably forgot what the little
brown jug looked like at that time.

I'd be interested to know how the SEC does it with two
divisions. I believe the Big XII is totally random on
who misses who with each division, but the SEC I know
kept some rivalries (such as Tennessee-Alabama)
despite being in different divisions.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Oct  6 15:19:57 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Oct  6 15:14:09 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Excuse me, please
References: <745950.61827.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000501c80856$43a75ab0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

An exciting game by two excuse-me defenses, as in, "Excuse me, sir, for 
attempting to impede your progress.  I will now release you so you may 
continue your pell-mell dash down the field.  Have a nice touchdown."  Back 
to football 101 for both defenses.

C. J. was like ice under fire.  And either our wideouts are faster than I 
thought, or MSU has a really slow secondary. 

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  6 15:32:02 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Oct  6 15:25:10 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten today ...
Message-ID: <261892.28996.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

A wild race keeps getting more bizarre in the Big Ten.

But first, because it can't be said enough, some stats
from today's game for CJ Bacher.

* 13 of 19 on third down - and most of those were 5+
yards (in fact, most of the ones I remember not making
were the short ones). BTW, it wasn't all bad for the D
as MSU was 4 of 10.

* 612 total yards of offense - following 417 against
Michigan and 506 yards against Duke two weeks prior to
that. In fact, aside from that abysmal OSU game (how
good is that D looking now?), we're 400+ in every game
this year on offense.

* 522 yards passing on 38-49 accuracy. Nice.

* And to give the O-line a little love (and the OC
some credit in play calling), only two sacks for -4
yards, meaning they were more scrambles than real
sacks.

* Seven receivers had multiple catches, nine touched
it overall. 

All I can say is that I bet I know who the Big Ten's
offensive player of the week will be!:)

As for the league itself ...

* HUGE win for ILLINOIS today against a Bucky team
that finally played with fire and got burned. They
just out-physicalled the Badgers. If the Illini had
held on to the ball in the opener, they'd be 6-0 right
now. Everyone thought it would come down to the final
2-3 weeks in the Big Ten when OSU/UM and UW played
each other ... but now that Nov. 10 Illinois @ Ohio
State game is looking like the biggie.

* As for the Badgers, they can't sulk too long with a
visit to Happy Valley next. But after that it's NIU
and Indiana at home before those Michigan and OSU
games.

* Nice win for INDIANA as well to go to 5-1. If they
can catch MSU moping next week, they could have that
magical sixth win before mid-October and still have
Ball State and Purdue left at home along with a road
trip to Evanston.

* As for the Gophers, let's try and slam the bowl door
for good on them next week in Evanston.:)

* OHIO STATE still looks like the class of the league
- based largely on their defense being heads and
shoulders above anything else. If they can get by
tricky night games at Purdue and at PSU to begin and
end October, they could be a MNC sleeper with the
rugged SEC and Pac 10 slates taking tolls on the teams
above them. Their November is Wisky and the Illini in
the Shoe and then their usual Michigan game.

* Purdue gets a once-again vulnerable looking Michigan
at the Big House next week and then really only has a
visits to PSU and Indiana left as road blocks with the
Illini and Badgers off the schedule.

* PENN STATE needs to stop the bleeding this week as
the Nits have a brutal four-game stretch ahead with
visits from Bucky and Brutus with a trap road trip to
Indiana in between before a final visit from Purdue.

* As for Iowa, if they don't win today, they could be
out of any bowl hunt by November with the Illini and
Boilers coming up next.

Things have sure changed in a couple weeks. Michigan's
gone from flop to back to a contender ... to
questionable again. Wisky and PSU have dropped while
the young Bucks and Illini have risen. It looks like
everyone but the Gophers and Hawks should be in the
hunt to go bowling in November. But that could change
too.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Oct  6 15:30:38 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Oct  6 15:30:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!! 
Message-ID: <200710062030.l96KUcX5000840@romaine.tssi.com>

College football just gets crazier every week.

Illinois was not only the favorite in the spread (how many times has an
unranked team been favored against a Top 5 team?), they pulled it off in 
fairly convincing fashion, never trailing (just like the Cats!)

Meanwhile, Penn State and Iowa are both struggling to find an offense,
Michigan didn't exactly blow away a MAC team, Kansas beat ranked K-State,
and Louisville's season continues to fall apart as they lost to Utah last
night.  After last week's big win over Oklahoma, will Colorado be
looking past Baylor?  

You know the Irish have fallen on bad times when the most interesting
lead-in to the game ESPN can come up with is that this is their first
trip to Pasadena since the days of Knute Rockne.

Oh well, back to the madhouse.  Maybe the Cubs can prolong the agony
another day?
--
Mike Nolan
 
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> I don't care how awful our defensive tackling on sweep
> or toss plays was.
> 
> I don't care that our special teams were a mixed blags
> of nice blocks and poor FG snaps and kicks.
> 
> All I care about was that CJ Bacher was absolutely
> frickin' ON FIRE today and led our team to a MUCH
> NEEDED win in East Lansing!
> 
> In fact, just give the entire offense game balls. MSU
> came out the second half hitting as hard as you can
> legally but the line kept holding off their blitz,
> Conteh kept fighting for yards, CJ kept his cool and
> Peterman, Ross, Thompason, Yarborough and Ward kept
> making the clutch 3rd and long catches.
> 
> This wasn't bad D by MSU, though they were sloppy at
> times. This was precision execution by as focused an
> offense I've seen in awhile in purple. McGee really
> seems to be finding a rhythm as a play caller these
> last two weeks and the execution and poise is right
> where it needs to be.
> 
> We needed this one. After blowing the Duke game,
> getting whacked at OSU and giving away Michigan, we
> showed a lot of heart here.
> 
> So now we're 3-3 and staring at a second half where
> there are certainly no gimmes, but where all games are
> winnable if we play like we did on offense today and
> shore up the tackling on D to Michigan game levels.
> 
> Let's start next week by mashing Minnesota for
> homecoming.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Sat Oct  6 15:49:43 2007
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Sat Oct  6 15:43:30 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Excuse me, please
Message-ID: <EBEB58980DB31543B690E276B97F6956061074D2@XCHGNYM2.corp.espn.pvt>

Bacher was terrific in his decision-making, leadership and execution & he had good luck on his side on the rare occasion when he threw into traffic.  His ability to pinpoint the passes to avoid the defense and allow his receivers to be the only ones with a good shot at the catch was outstanding - - and they made the plays to reward him.  His many targets' sure-handedness and smarts were very, very impressive.  The offensive line play was inspiring.  Omar Conteh was explosive.  It was great that the Cats were able to pick up for a place-kicker who had his first bad day of the season.  And NU's one fumble ended up in NU hands.  Great to get that blocked punt, even though it didn't result in points.  And the OT stop on defense after another NU offensive gem...what can you say?  Airing it out, never trailing - - despite MSU's big output,  avoiding turnovers and overcoming a missed extra point, a botched hold on a potential lead FG & a blown kick on a game-winning FG all contributed to making this one a memorably enjoyable triumph!   

Can't wait to be there next week for my 25th reunion and a shot at Minn, which - - for you NU history buffs out there - - was the 1982 victim when NU ended a seemingly forever Big Ten losing streak after knocking off NIU to end the NCAA-rec 34 gm overall losing streak.  Coach Joe Salem, postgame to this WNUR reporter, in answer to the question "what does this NU win and end of its streak mean for the Big Ten?" said, "it means we stink."

W. Weinbaum
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To:	nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject:	[NU Sports] Excuse me, please

An exciting game by two excuse-me defenses, as in, "Excuse me, sir, for 
attempting to impede your progress.  I will now release you so you may 
continue your pell-mell dash down the field.  Have a nice touchdown."  Back 
to football 101 for both defenses.

C. J. was like ice under fire.  And either our wideouts are faster than I 
thought, or MSU has a really slow secondary. 

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From DPENDERG at aol.com  Sat Oct  6 15:56:47 2007
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct  6 15:53:42 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 48-41
Message-ID: <cee.1cebe4dc.3439508f@aol.com>

 
The incredible win in East Lansing (along with a tough schedule  remaining) 
only makes that the Duke loss even more costly.  We're still  only 3-3 and need 
three W's at least (probably four to get a decent bowl), which  will be very 
difficult, especially with emergence of Illinois and Indiana.   Also, our 
offense is again in high gear, but the defense is a huge question  mark. The 
defense will have to play much better just to reach 6-6.  In  my four-plus decades 
watching NU football, the tackling display I saw today  ranks among the very 
worst I have seen.  I hope the guys go back to the  tackling sled this week.  
 
 
In a message dated 10/6/2007 3:49:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com writes:

Hallelujah!
Now the comment that shows I picked a bad week to stop  sniffing glue: 
Wildcats are in the hunt for a bowl game. 
Wild.  

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sat Oct  6 16:03:13 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sat Oct  6 15:56:39 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
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Here are the "protected" rivalries for each Big Ten team (there are a
maximum of 2 each that are played every year - the other 8 teams in the
conference rotate off of the schedule every so often):

Northwestern: Illinois, Purdue
Illinois: Northwestern, Indiana
Purdue: Indiana, Northwestern
Indiana: Purdue, Illinois
Wisconsin: Minnesota, Iowa
Minnesota: Wisconsin, Iowa
Iowa: Minnesota, Wisconsin
Michigan State: Penn State, Michigan
Michigan: Michigan State, Ohio State
Ohio State: Michigan, Penn State
Penn State: Ohio State, Michigan State

I'm not going to list the "trophy games" because as discussed earlier, there
are a ton of them.  After Penn State joined the conference and the current
scheduling strategy was developed, the conference obviously had a tough time
deciding the "natural" rivalries - especially for newcomer PSU (they ended
up going with MSU-PSU and OSU-PSU probably because of proximity and
availability).  The Minnesota-Wisconsin-Iowa rivalry triangle has been
around for some time, so that made sense - but left no room for anyone else
(e.g. NU-UW).  Therefore in the middle of the conference region (Illinois
and Indiana) it appears that they adopted a "neighbor rivalry" strategy with
NU-Purdue and Illinois-Indiana which are not necessarily natural rivals.

In any case there is not much the B10 can do unless that 12th member shows
up, which is an entirely other discussion altogether.  A complete
round-robin 10 game conference schedule won't happen because that would
leave only 2 NC games which would put B10 teams at too much of a
disadvantage (and wouldn't allow 7 or 8 home games like now).

Personally, I would prefer NU's 2 "rivals" to be Wisconsin and Illinois
since those are 2 rather competitive series all-time.  But, I can understand
why not.

Jonathan


On 10/6/07, CHerron604@aol.com <CHerron604@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Does anybody remember the rationale for making Purdue our 'other'
> protected
> conference foe ?  Illinois was obvious - Did Wisconsin already have
> 2  natural
> rivals (Minnesota, obviously).
>
> PS - Doesn't Minnesota have natural rivalries with Iowa (Floyd), Wisconsin
> (Paul's axe) and Michigan (the jug) ?  Does one of those disappear
> from  time
> to time ?
>
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>
>
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Oct  6 18:36:07 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Oct  6 18:28:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270710061403ic549a5agf08b743d5c59e9dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be6.1e4f9ae1.343883d3@aol.com>
	<fcb3ee270710061403ic549a5agf08b743d5c59e9dd@mail.gmail.com>
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Here's what's scary about all this....

Nobody expected us to beat Michigan or dOSU or Ioway, we were supposed to beat
Duke, Indiana, and Illinois. MSU was a big questionmark.

Right now, Eastern Michigan is the only "lock" [just don't tell them] and Iowa
and Minny are the two games we should still win, Illinois, and Indiana are
looking troubling right now....

Scary huh?

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:03 PM
> To: CHerron604@aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
> 
> Here are the "protected" rivalries for each Big Ten team (there are a
> maximum of 2 each that are played every year - the other 8 teams in the
> conference rotate off of the schedule every so often):
> 
> Northwestern: Illinois, Purdue
> Illinois: Northwestern, Indiana
> Purdue: Indiana, Northwestern
> Indiana: Purdue, Illinois
> Wisconsin: Minnesota, Iowa
> Minnesota: Wisconsin, Iowa
> Iowa: Minnesota, Wisconsin
> Michigan State: Penn State, Michigan
> Michigan: Michigan State, Ohio State
> Ohio State: Michigan, Penn State
> Penn State: Ohio State, Michigan State
> 
> I'm not going to list the "trophy games" because as discussed earlier,
> there
> are a ton of them.  After Penn State joined the conference and the current
> scheduling strategy was developed, the conference obviously had a tough
> time
> deciding the "natural" rivalries - especially for newcomer PSU (they ended
> up going with MSU-PSU and OSU-PSU probably because of proximity and
> availability).  The Minnesota-Wisconsin-Iowa rivalry triangle has been
> around for some time, so that made sense - but left no room for anyone else
> (e.g. NU-UW).  Therefore in the middle of the conference region (Illinois
> and Indiana) it appears that they adopted a "neighbor rivalry" strategy
> with
> NU-Purdue and Illinois-Indiana which are not necessarily natural rivals.
> 
> In any case there is not much the B10 can do unless that 12th member shows
> up, which is an entirely other discussion altogether.  A complete
> round-robin 10 game conference schedule won't happen because that would
> leave only 2 NC games which would put B10 teams at too much of a
> disadvantage (and wouldn't allow 7 or 8 home games like now).
> 
> Personally, I would prefer NU's 2 "rivals" to be Wisconsin and Illinois
> since those are 2 rather competitive series all-time.  But, I can
> understand
> why not.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> On 10/6/07, CHerron604@aol.com <CHerron604@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does anybody remember the rationale for making Purdue our 'other'
> > protected
> > conference foe ?  Illinois was obvious - Did Wisconsin already have
> > 2  natural
> > rivals (Minnesota, obviously).
> >
> > PS - Doesn't Minnesota have natural rivalries with Iowa (Floyd),
> Wisconsin
> > (Paul's axe) and Michigan (the jug) ?  Does one of those disappear
> > from  time
> > to time ?
> >
> > Chuck Herron   Tech '85
> >
> >
> >
> > ************************************** See what's new at
> > http://www.aol.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
> 
> 
> 
> --
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> 1237 Emerson St Apt 2
> Evanston, IL  60201-3577
> (847) 736-2449
> jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Oct  6 19:10:44 2007
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Oct  6 19:04:55 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Great first half -- now let's finish
In-Reply-To: <c11.1ffc2e4f.34397d31@aol.com>
References: <c11.1ffc2e4f.34397d31@aol.com>
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3-2, Tiggers win in another nailbiter!

________________________________

From: Hakirsch@aol.com [mailto:Hakirsch@aol.com] 
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:07 PM
To: Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Great first half -- now let's finish


In a message dated 10/6/2007 11:01:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
Alan.Abrahamson@nbcsports.com writes:



	Score, please, anyone?
	At girls' 14-under soccer game. Score here in the third: Tiggers
3, Lemonheads 0. Go Tiggers!
	



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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Sat Oct  6 20:44:24 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Sat Oct  6 20:38:15 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!! 
In-Reply-To: <200710062030.l96KUcX5000840@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200710062030.l96KUcX5000840@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0C0100E8E3@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>

 
Mike wrote <snip>

Maybe the Cubs can prolong the agony another day?

======================

Nope.

Jeff

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Oct  6 21:03:58 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Oct  6 21:04:02 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <200710070203.l9723xN9001476@romaine.tssi.com>

> Mike wrote <snip>
> 
> Maybe the Cubs can prolong the agony another day?
> 
> ======================
> 
> Nope.

They decided to prolong it another year instead.
--
Mike Nolan

From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Sat Oct  6 22:29:56 2007
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct  6 22:26:58 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!! (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200710070203.l9723xN9001476@romaine.tssi.com>
References: <200710070203.l9723xN9001476@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <8C9D6A97779D3B5-3D4-983F@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com>

Eating a marsala dosa for breakfast at the Spice Village Thekkady in Kerala I am delighted by the CATS! and sorry for the cubs. May have to get a tape of this one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:03 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] YES!!! (fwd)



> Mike wrote <snip>
> 
> Maybe the Cubs can prolong the agony another day?
> 
> ======================
> 
> Nope.

They decided to prolong it another year instead.
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Oct  6 22:45:33 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Oct  6 22:38:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!!
In-Reply-To: <8C9D6A97779D3B5-3D4-983F@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <37137.93827.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

And who knew that the wild part of the day was just
beginning when you sent this, Mike?

Stanford's win was amazing - great story and
encouraging to see a defense that was giving up 40 or
50 points a game hold #1 to 23 ... can we learn from
it?:)

Funny how I flipped to three different channels after
the game and all were discussing whether this was
bigger than AppState-Michigan. How quickly we move on
to the next "greatest" ... NU at ND 1995 still is #1
for my money.:)

And this LSU-Florida game is terrific. LSU was playing
with fire again and again on 4th down. Can't believe
they went for it on 4th down with 2:00 left instead of
kicking the FG and going for the tie. Wow! The danger
is that these two could meet again in the SEC title
game and the loser tonight could get even.

If the Gators hang on, are we going to see Florida and
Ohio State play for the national title yet again?

If everyone has a loss, though, this could get real
ugly around BCS time.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Oct  7 00:39:52 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Oct  7 00:33:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270710061403ic549a5agf08b743d5c59e9dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be6.1e4f9ae1.343883d3@aol.com>
	<fcb3ee270710061403ic549a5agf08b743d5c59e9dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47087128.1060105@att.net>

The two-rivalry idea actually didn't get officially instituted until a 
couple years into scheduling Penn State.  They started out with a 
handful of schools having two rivals -- the WI-MN-IA triad; Michigan 
against OSU and MSU; and MSU against Michigan and PSU (more on that 
later) -- but quickly realized that would be unfair and eventually even 
impossible to keep a balanced schedule with that in effect.  So they 
came up with the others.  Yeah, we were a victim of geography.

Interesting thing about MSU's rivalries: Of course, the only one that 
MSU cares about is Michigan, in the same way that the only thing that a 
little brother cares about is one day being able to beat up his older, 
bigger sibling.  But MSU and PSU were the first two Land-Grant colleges 
chartered a few days apart in 1855 (MSU first, then PSU), so someone 
decided that the "Land Grant Trophy" would be a good idea.  Most Spartan 
fans didn't really care, many still don't.  They feel like they got 
"stuck", too, and with a contrived trophy at that.

The other thing that I found a little odd, is that if you look back to 
the 10-team conference's traditional season-ending rivalry games, MSU 
and Wisconsin always ended up getting stuck playing each other, yet 
never developed much of a rivalry of their own.  I realize that there 
were years that NU-Illinois wasn't a season-ending game (the 1991 "Rain 
Bowl" comes to mind), and that allowed the conference to shuffle some 
others, too, but all the "normal" years that ended with Mich/OSU, IU-PU, 
NU-Illinois, and MN-IA, there were poor Sparty and Bucky playing each other.

OK, maybe I'm the only one who finds that interesting.  :-)

-Michael

Jonathan Hodges wrote:
> Here are the "protected" rivalries for each Big Ten team (there are a
> maximum of 2 each that are played every year - the other 8 teams in the
> conference rotate off of the schedule every so often):
>
> Northwestern: Illinois, Purdue
> Illinois: Northwestern, Indiana
> Purdue: Indiana, Northwestern
> Indiana: Purdue, Illinois
> Wisconsin: Minnesota, Iowa
> Minnesota: Wisconsin, Iowa
> Iowa: Minnesota, Wisconsin
> Michigan State: Penn State, Michigan
> Michigan: Michigan State, Ohio State
> Ohio State: Michigan, Penn State
> Penn State: Ohio State, Michigan State
>
> I'm not going to list the "trophy games" because as discussed earlier, there
> are a ton of them.  After Penn State joined the conference and the current
> scheduling strategy was developed, the conference obviously had a tough time
> deciding the "natural" rivalries - especially for newcomer PSU (they ended
> up going with MSU-PSU and OSU-PSU probably because of proximity and
> availability).  The Minnesota-Wisconsin-Iowa rivalry triangle has been
> around for some time, so that made sense - but left no room for anyone else
> (e.g. NU-UW).  Therefore in the middle of the conference region (Illinois
> and Indiana) it appears that they adopted a "neighbor rivalry" strategy with
> NU-Purdue and Illinois-Indiana which are not necessarily natural rivals.
>
> In any case there is not much the B10 can do unless that 12th member shows
> up, which is an entirely other discussion altogether.  A complete
> round-robin 10 game conference schedule won't happen because that would
> leave only 2 NC games which would put B10 teams at too much of a
> disadvantage (and wouldn't allow 7 or 8 home games like now).
>
> Personally, I would prefer NU's 2 "rivals" to be Wisconsin and Illinois
> since those are 2 rather competitive series all-time.  But, I can understand
> why not.
>
> Jonathan
>
>
> On 10/6/07, CHerron604@aol.com <CHerron604@aol.com> wrote:
>   
>> Does anybody remember the rationale for making Purdue our 'other'
>> protected
>> conference foe ?  Illinois was obvious - Did Wisconsin already have
>> 2  natural
>> rivals (Minnesota, obviously).
>>
>> PS - Doesn't Minnesota have natural rivalries with Iowa (Floyd), Wisconsin
>> (Paul's axe) and Michigan (the jug) ?  Does one of those disappear
>> from  time
>> to time ?
>>
>> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
>>
>>
>>
>> ************************************** See what's new at
>> http://www.aol.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> nwu-sports site list
>> nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Oct  7 06:20:29 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Oct  7 06:13:03 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
In-Reply-To: <47087128.1060105@att.net>
References: <be6.1e4f9ae1.343883d3@aol.com>	<fcb3ee270710061403ic549a5agf08b743d5c59e9dd@mail.gmail.com>
	<47087128.1060105@att.net>
Message-ID: <001701c808d4$1170c030$34524090$@com>

This brings up the interesting idea of adding N**** D*** to a 12 team "Big 10"
and splitting the new conference into divisions.

Yes, ND is down right now, but they'd add a lot of punch to any conference.

We've debated that here several times, do you go East-West or North-South. The
resurgence of Illinois and Indiana make an east west split easier to take now,
but you still have to figure out how to put Michigan and dOSU in separate
divisions and keep the "trophy" games.

Of course there's basketball, and all the women's sports where NU is the
"powerhouse"

Glad its not me doing that.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All ===========
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============================================

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Michael Vance
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 1:40 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Classic, thy name is Northwestern ...
> 
> The two-rivalry idea actually didn't get officially instituted until a
> couple years into scheduling Penn State.  They started out with a
> handful of schools having two rivals -- the WI-MN-IA triad; Michigan
> against OSU and MSU; and MSU against Michigan and PSU (more on that
> later) -- but quickly realized that would be unfair and eventually even
> impossible to keep a balanced schedule with that in effect.  So they
> came up with the others.  Yeah, we were a victim of geography.
> 
> Interesting thing about MSU's rivalries: Of course, the only one that
> MSU cares about is Michigan, in the same way that the only thing that a
> little brother cares about is one day being able to beat up his older,
> bigger sibling.  But MSU and PSU were the first two Land-Grant colleges
> chartered a few days apart in 1855 (MSU first, then PSU), so someone
> decided that the "Land Grant Trophy" would be a good idea.  Most Spartan
> fans didn't really care, many still don't.  They feel like they got
> "stuck", too, and with a contrived trophy at that.
> 
> The other thing that I found a little odd, is that if you look back to
> the 10-team conference's traditional season-ending rivalry games, MSU
> and Wisconsin always ended up getting stuck playing each other, yet
> never developed much of a rivalry of their own.  I realize that there
> were years that NU-Illinois wasn't a season-ending game (the 1991 "Rain
> Bowl" comes to mind), and that allowed the conference to shuffle some
> others, too, but all the "normal" years that ended with Mich/OSU, IU-PU,
> NU-Illinois, and MN-IA, there were poor Sparty and Bucky playing each
> other.
> 
> OK, maybe I'm the only one who finds that interesting.  :-)
> 
> -Michael
> 
> Jonathan Hodges wrote:
> > Here are the "protected" rivalries for each Big Ten team (there are a
> > maximum of 2 each that are played every year - the other 8 teams in the
> > conference rotate off of the schedule every so often):
> >
> > Northwestern: Illinois, Purdue
> > Illinois: Northwestern, Indiana
> > Purdue: Indiana, Northwestern
> > Indiana: Purdue, Illinois
> > Wisconsin: Minnesota, Iowa
> > Minnesota: Wisconsin, Iowa
> > Iowa: Minnesota, Wisconsin
> > Michigan State: Penn State, Michigan
> > Michigan: Michigan State, Ohio State
> > Ohio State: Michigan, Penn State
> > Penn State: Ohio State, Michigan State
> >
> > I'm not going to list the "trophy games" because as discussed earlier,
> there
> > are a ton of them.  After Penn State joined the conference and the
> current
> > scheduling strategy was developed, the conference obviously had a tough
> time
> > deciding the "natural" rivalries - especially for newcomer PSU (they
> ended
> > up going with MSU-PSU and OSU-PSU probably because of proximity and
> > availability).  The Minnesota-Wisconsin-Iowa rivalry triangle has been
> > around for some time, so that made sense - but left no room for anyone
> else
> > (e.g. NU-UW).  Therefore in the middle of the conference region (Illinois
> > and Indiana) it appears that they adopted a "neighbor rivalry" strategy
> with
> > NU-Purdue and Illinois-Indiana which are not necessarily natural rivals.
> >
> > In any case there is not much the B10 can do unless that 12th member
> shows
> > up, which is an entirely other discussion altogether.  A complete
> > round-robin 10 game conference schedule won't happen because that would
> > leave only 2 NC games which would put B10 teams at too much of a
> > disadvantage (and wouldn't allow 7 or 8 home games like now).
> >
> > Personally, I would prefer NU's 2 "rivals" to be Wisconsin and Illinois
> > since those are 2 rather competitive series all-time.  But, I can
> understand
> > why not.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
> > On 10/6/07, CHerron604@aol.com <CHerron604@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Does anybody remember the rationale for making Purdue our 'other'
> >> protected
> >> conference foe ?  Illinois was obvious - Did Wisconsin already have
> >> 2  natural
> >> rivals (Minnesota, obviously).
> >>
> >> PS - Doesn't Minnesota have natural rivalries with Iowa (Floyd),
> Wisconsin
> >> (Paul's axe) and Michigan (the jug) ?  Does one of those disappear
> >> from  time
> >> to time ?
> >>
> >> Chuck Herron   Tech '85
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ************************************** See what's new at
> >> http://www.aol.com
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nwu-sports site list
> >> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> >> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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From neonrye at aol.com  Sun Oct  7 09:02:21 2007
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct  7 08:59:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!!
In-Reply-To: <37137.93827.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <8C9D6A97779D3B5-3D4-983F@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com><37137.93827.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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The Gators now have 2 losses (Auburn last week and now LSU, so I can't see how theyget back into National Title game picture.

I have to share my "MSU" game experience.  Heard 1st Half over Internet on WGN.  Then had to drive with my wife and son, David, from my home in Westchester County, north of NYC, 3 1/2 hours to Lewisburg, PA, so David could check out Bucknell a second time, for possible Early Decision application (alas, his SAT's fall short of bar for Wildcat status).  Anyway, I kept checking score of game on ESPN.com on my Blackberry and could not believe the see-saw battle.  When I finally hit "Refresh" one more time in OT and saw score posted as "final", I was jubilant.  This could be defining win for Fitz if we can build on it and somehow find a way to eke out 4 more wins.  I saw much of Illini and Wisky, and game in Champaign looks doubtful for us--a lot of aspeed and athleticism to handle--but except for Purdue, other games (even vs. Hoosiers) look winnable.  

Paul Levinson
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>

Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 20:45:33 
To:nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] YES!!!


And who knew that the wild part of the day was just
beginning when you sent this, Mike?

Stanford's win was amazing - great story and
encouraging to see a defense that was giving up 40 or
50 points a game hold #1 to 23 ... can we learn from
it?:)

Funny how I flipped to three different channels after
the game and all were discussing whether this was
bigger than AppState-Michigan. How quickly we move on
to the next "greatest" ... NU at ND 1995 still is #1
for my money.:)

And this LSU-Florida game is terrific. LSU was playing
with fire again and again on 4th down. Can't believe
they went for it on 4th down with 2:00 left instead of
kicking the FG and going for the tie. Wow! The danger
is that these two could meet again in the SEC title
game and the loser tonight could get even.

If the Gators hang on, are we going to see Florida and
Ohio State play for the national title yet again?

If everyone has a loss, though, this could get real
ugly around BCS time.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


       
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Sun Oct  7 10:53:55 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Sun Oct  7 10:49:34 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!!
Message-ID: <20071007.105355.17125.0@webmail14.dca.untd.com>

We have no kids, but constantly talk to alums whose children can not get into Northwestern.  Is legacy dead?

We did not benefit from this in getting into Northwestern, but I think it has to be very discouraging to be a big supporter of a school and have the school reject your children.

We watched the second half of the game at a sports bar and Maureen almost got into a fight as they flipped to another game right after we missed the FG at the end of regulation.  Luckily it was just an oversight and flipped back in time to see the full OT.

Reading the Detroit/Michigan papers they also question why Sparty did not run in OT.  In the Free Press they slammed us as an awful team.

NUMBAlums can you help me out.  Do you know lyrics to the Minnesota anti-fight song .  Here is what I know:
"Minnesota socks off to thee
Black and blue today your colors will be
...
What the hell is a ski-u-mah
..."

We absolutely love the anti-Michigan one and sign it loudly/proudly both in Evanston and Ann Arbor.
-- neonrye@aol.com wrote:
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(alas, his SAT's fall short of bar for Wildcat status).
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Oct  7 11:01:19 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct  7 10:55:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!!
Message-ID: <c9d.1b44ddfa.343a5ccf@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 10/7/2007 8:57:07 AM Pacific Standard Time,  
mlinhardt@netzero.net writes:

We have  no kids, but constantly talk to alums whose children can not get 
into  Northwestern.  Is legacy dead?




Not sure--but I think my niece and nephew who both currently attend NU were  
helped by 2 uncles who attended and received 5 degrees between them. 
 
 
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  7 11:09:01 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Oct  7 11:02:02 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 48-41
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References: <cee.1cebe4dc.3439508f@aol.com>
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NU wins and SC loses to Stanford on the same day -- beautiful !!!!!

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Oct  7 11:23:35 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Oct  7 11:16:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!!
In-Reply-To: <20071007.105355.17125.0@webmail14.dca.untd.com>
References: <20071007.105355.17125.0@webmail14.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <47090807.2080802@earthlink.net>

I recall reading an article within the last year about this very 
subject.  The piece featured on NBC reporter who was an NU alum.  He had 
always hoped his daughter would also go to NU, but she had been 
rejected.  The story then went into more details.  I cannot recall all 
the specifics, but the percentages were something like this:  NU accepts 
around 10% of all applicants, but the school accepts around 30% of 
legacy applicants.

All of this being said, my daughter Francine and I both humbled by her 
now being an NU student.  She tells me that, if we make a bowl game this 
year (even if it's Detroit), she wants to go with me!   --  Jim B.


mlinhardt@netzero.net wrote:
> We have no kids, but constantly talk to alums whose children can not get into Northwestern.  Is legacy dead?
>
> We did not benefit from this in getting into Northwestern, but I think it has to be very discouraging to be a big supporter of a school and have the school reject your children.
>   

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  7 15:42:19 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Oct  7 15:35:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!!
In-Reply-To: <20071007.105355.17125.0@webmail14.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <343083.83098.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> NUMBAlums can you help me out.  Do you know lyrics
> to the Minnesota anti-fight song .  Here is what I
> know:
> "Minnesota socks off to thee

Spirit Team must have changed the lyrics during my
NUMB days. The version we sang during my days (same
tune) ...

Gopher meatballs, gopher fondue
Minnesota Gophers are good for NU
Spread some out on crackers or toast
Pick one up and take a bite
Anytime day or night
Let's have a gopher roast!

Not as fun as "Moo Moo Purdue" ... but not much you
can do with Minny or Indiana's fight songs, I guess.

Looking forward to a Gopher roast Saturday.
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Oct  7 15:50:35 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Oct  7 15:43:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!!
In-Reply-To: <1219808423-1191765753-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1740589110-@bxe016.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <532005.85509.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> The Gators now have 2 losses (Auburn last week and
> now LSU, so I can't see how theyget back into
> National Title game picture.

Give Urban Meyer time to politick a bit ... he did a
masterful job last year to sneak in there somehow and
look what happened.:)

Honestly, it's gonna be a mess. Cal won't run the
table with SC and a visit to ASU left. And OSU has a
rough final four games with visits to PSU and Ann
Arbor along with visits from the Illini and Badgers -
probably the two toughest tests historically in the
Shoe. Can't see BC going unbeaten, or USF ... though
Hawaii could.

So what's to say if Florida runs the table, gets
another crack at LSU on a neutral field and win
convincingly that Meyer's Mack Brown-like press
conferences can't earn some bumps up in the polls.:)

> This could be defining win for Fitz if we can build
> on it and somehow find a way to eke out 4 more wins.

You sure hope so. The offense certainly has found its
confidence, rhythm and play calling to mix things up
the past few weeks. Certainly EMU, Minny and Iowa are
must wins. The other three are possible if our O is on
and we get into more wild shootouts, because the
Boilers Illini and Hoosiers all look like they could
score in bunches on us ... but also turn it over a
time or two as well (hopefully).

We'll see. We just can't give any more games away and
have to come out strong to put Minnesota away early
for homecoming.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From ersiii at aol.com  Sun Oct  7 18:56:55 2007
From: ersiii at aol.com (ersiii@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct  7 18:53:47 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Acceptance Rate 
In-Reply-To: <8C9D754BAA01BE9-558-3273@WEBMAIL-MB05.sysops.aol.com>
References: <20071007.105355.17125.0@webmail14.dca.untd.com>
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Then the NBC reporter gets a Medill 'F'.

On NU's website the gross numbers are reported:? for the class of 2010, 18,385 applicants, 5,434 accepted (that's 29.5%).? The yield on those acceptances was 2,062 enrolled (37.9%).

-----Original Message-----

I recall reading an article within the last year about this very subject. The piece featured on NBC reporter who was an NU alum. He had always hoped his daughter would also go to NU, but she had been rejected. The story then went into more details. I cannot recall all the specifics, but the percentages were something like this: NU accepts around 10% of all applicants, but the school accepts around 30% of legacy applicants.?
?
All of this being said, my daughter Francine and I both humbled by her now being an NU student. She tells me that, if we make a bowl game this year (even if it's Detroit), she wants to go with me! -- Jim B.?
?


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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Mon Oct  8 08:57:23 2007
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Mon Oct  8 08:50:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!!
In-Reply-To: <343083.83098.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <20071007.105355.17125.0@webmail14.dca.untd.com>
	<343083.83098.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Or during the Citrus Bowl season:

Golden Gophers, I ask you why
This song makes me just want to cry
'Cats will triumph, it's only fair
What the hell is ski-u-mah
Blah, blah, blah, blah
You haven't got a prayer (Go 'Cats!)

(and then some of us in the band at the time added the stupid spelling
section while inside the Metrodome for Victory Right in 2000)

N-O-R-T-H-W-E-S-T-E-R-N . . . Northwestern, Northwestern
Gooooooooo 'Cats

Finally, I learned the pre-Citrus bowl lyrics slightly differently:

Gopher meatballs, gopher fondue
Golden Gophers are good for NU
Gopher snacks on crackers or toast
Anytime of day or night
Pick one up and take a bite
Let's have a gopher roast! (Go 'Cats!)



On 10/7/07, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > NUMBAlums can you help me out.  Do you know lyrics
> > to the Minnesota anti-fight song .  Here is what I
> > know:
> > "Minnesota socks off to thee
>
> Spirit Team must have changed the lyrics during my
> NUMB days. The version we sang during my days (same
> tune) ...
>
> Gopher meatballs, gopher fondue
> Minnesota Gophers are good for NU
> Spread some out on crackers or toast
> Pick one up and take a bite
> Anytime day or night
> Let's have a gopher roast!
>
> Not as fun as "Moo Moo Purdue" ... but not much you
> can do with Minny or Indiana's fight songs, I guess.
>
> Looking forward to a Gopher roast Saturday.
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Mon Oct  8 11:23:53 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Mon Oct  8 11:20:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!! (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <8C9D6A97779D3B5-3D4-983F@MBLK-M16.sysops.aol.com>
References: <200710070203.l9723xN9001476@romaine.tssi.com>
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Message-ID: <002b01c809c7$9dfe9bf0$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

Hey, say "hi" to my sister if you see her (she's splitting time between
Mysore and Bangalore until February as a recent college grad in training at
Infosys before starting at their Chicago office).  I'd love to visit India
someday.  -Joe


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of mhrjgscott@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] YES!!! (fwd)

Eating a marsala dosa for breakfast at the Spice Village Thekkady in Kerala
I am delighted by the CATS! and sorry for the cubs. May have to get a tape
of this one.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 10:03 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] YES!!! (fwd)



> Mike wrote <snip>
> 
> Maybe the Cubs can prolong the agony another day?
> 
> ======================
> 
> Nope.

They decided to prolong it another year instead.
--
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From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Oct  8 20:17:43 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Mon Oct  8 20:11:17 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Great seats for Homecoming/Minnesota game available @
	face or less
Message-ID: <470AD6B7.3090802@att.net>

The person who was going to use my seats for this weekend's game had to 
back out unexpectedly.  If anyone is going to Evanston for Homecoming 
and doesn't have tickets yet, or if you want one heck of an upgrade, 
please contact me off-list.  These are a pair of seats, section 108, Row 
39.  That's just on the 50-yard line on the East side of the stadium.  
The seats have seatbacks.  I also have a West lot parking pass.

Face value of the whole thing is $99 ($32 ea for the tickets, $10 ea for 
the seatbacks, $15 for the parking pass), but I'll take any reasonable 
offer.  Comparable seats are going for $40-$77 on StubHub.  Respond 
quickly so I have time to ship them!

-Michael

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  9 06:23:24 2007
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Tue Oct  9 06:16:21 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit
Message-ID: <78059.11759.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I think Saturday's win in East Lansing gives us real cause for optimism. We are 3-3 heading into Homecoming. Sure, we should be 4-2, but we still have a very good shot at 6-6 (or better) season. 

I wish we had a stronger running game, but in the Michigan State game we all saw that Bacher can be incredibly productive when the O-line gives him time. I'm still a firm believer that Colby needs to go, but the Michigan game showed us that our defense has potential. It is now up to our coaches to get both the offense and defensive to show up to the same game. 

I feel very good about our chances against Minnesota and Eastern Michigan. If the Cats come through, we're at 5-3. I know that Indiana and Illinois are hot right now, but I think the Cats are capable of beating one of them and knocking off Iowa. 

I will gladly drive 9 hours north to Detroit should a 6-6 NU team go to the Motor City Bowl. Especially if Colby is fired after the regular season and Fitz opts to personally coach the defense until a new DC can be hired. 

There's still reason for optimism. It starts with Gopher meat on Saturday.

Victory & Honor,
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Oct  9 07:03:05 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Oct  9 06:58:39 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit
Message-ID: <20071009.070305.28230.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

What about the Hog-eyes?

We watched the PSU/Iowa game and it was a pathetic pair of offenses and Iowa had a much weaker defense to go with its very weak offense.

Minnesota - EMU - Iowa
Should -- all 3 look fairly pathetic


Ill-whine-I and Indiana
Definitely Could -- neither of us are sold on the option-happy Illinois.  Neither PSU nor Wisky were looking very good going into the the game with Illinois.  For Indiana it depends on which team shows up.  They scare me more as they have a big receiver and a better QB.


Per-doo
Could -- they were as useless against the Buckeyes as we were


After Michigan our schedule got remarkably easier, but that does not mean we could not blow all 6.  A Michgian game defense combined with a MSU game offense means 6 more wins.  A Michigan game 4th quarter offense combined with a MSU defense means 6 more losses.  I love football.

-- Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:
Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I think Saturday's win in East Lansing gives us real cause for optimism. We are 3-3 heading into Homecoming. Sure, we should be 4-2, but we still have a very good shot at 6-6 (or better) season. 

I wish we had a stronger running game, but in the Michigan State game we all saw that Bacher can be incredibly productive when the O-line gives him time. I'm still a firm believer that Colby needs to go, but the Michigan game showed us that our defense has potential. It is now up to our coaches to get both the offense and defensive to show up to the same game. 

I feel very good about our chances against Minnesota and Eastern Michigan. If the Cats come through, we're at 5-3. I know that Indiana and Illinois are hot right now, but I think the Cats are capable of beating one of them and knocking off Iowa. 

I will gladly drive 9 hours north to Detroit should a 6-6 NU team go to the Motor City Bowl. Especially if Colby is fired after the regular season and Fitz opts to personally coach the defense until a new DC can be hired. 

There's still reason for optimism. It starts with Gopher meat on Saturday.

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Oct  9 18:23:47 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct  9 18:20:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Fwd: Vote for Coach Fitzgerald for Liberty Mutual Coach
	of the Year
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Not sure if this goes to everyone on the list, but just thought I would 
forward this email

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Oct  9 18:29:00 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct  9 18:26:02 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Fwd: Vote for Coach Fitzgerald for Liberty Mutual Coach
	of the Year
Message-ID: <ce3.1dbd29ca.343d68bc@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/9/2007 4:23:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, Hakirsch 
writes:

> Vote for Coach Fitzgerald for Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year 
>  Date: 10/9/2007 2:34:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>  From: naashop@alumni.northwestern.edu
>  To: hakirsch@aol.com
>  Sent from the Internet 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Vote for Coach Fitzgerald in the 
> Liberty Mutual? Coach of the Year competition!
> 
> Rise, Northwestern, and cast your vote for Coach Fitz, the coach who best 
> exemplifies responsibility and excellence both on and off the field!
> 
> In his second year as the Head Coach of the Northwestern Wildcats, Pat 
> Fitzgerald has led the team to three victories this season. A Wildcat since 1993, 
> Coach Fitz has served Northwestern as an award-winning defensive player, a 
> top recruiter and a leading coach.
> 
> For the Liberty Mutual? Coach of the Year competition, honors will go to one 
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> through November 27 to vote for Coach Fitzgerald!
> 
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> 
> Learn all about this year's award and featured coaches across America by 
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> 
> Then, tune in to ABC-TV on December 29 for the presentation of the 2007 
> Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year Award!
> 
> DON'T FORGET THE ON-CAMPUS FUN! 
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From michael.vance at att.net  Tue Oct  9 19:29:30 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Tue Oct  9 19:22:58 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit
In-Reply-To: <20071009.070305.28230.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
References: <20071009.070305.28230.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <470C1CEA.9010200@att.net>

I agree completely, Maureen, especially the part about Indiana scaring 
me more than Illinois.  The only consistent part of the Illini game has 
been Mendenhall.  QB has been spotty -- Williams tries to do too much 
and McGee is just too inexperienced --  although both can be dangerous.  
Benn has shown big play potential both as a receiver and on special 
teams, but has also disappeared at inopportune times.

When Lewis and Hardy get in a groove, they're unstoppable.  We'll be 
seeing Hardy on Sundays next year (or in two if he stays out his 
eligibility.)

-Michael

mlinhardt@netzero.net wrote:
> What about the Hog-eyes?
>
> We watched the PSU/Iowa game and it was a pathetic pair of offenses and Iowa had a much weaker defense to go with its very weak offense.
>
> Minnesota - EMU - Iowa
> Should -- all 3 look fairly pathetic
>
>
> Ill-whine-I and Indiana
> Definitely Could -- neither of us are sold on the option-happy Illinois.  Neither PSU nor Wisky were looking very good going into the the game with Illinois.  For Indiana it depends on which team shows up.  They scare me more as they have a big receiver and a better QB.
>
>
> Per-doo
> Could -- they were as useless against the Buckeyes as we were
>
>
> After Michigan our schedule got remarkably easier, but that does not mean we could not blow all 6.  A Michgian game defense combined with a MSU game offense means 6 more wins.  A Michigan game 4th quarter offense combined with a MSU defense means 6 more losses.  I love football.
>
> -- Jim Leonard <jleonard518@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Fellow Wildcat Faithful,
>
> I think Saturday's win in East Lansing gives us real cause for optimism. We are 3-3 heading into Homecoming. Sure, we should be 4-2, but we still have a very good shot at 6-6 (or better) season. 
>
> I wish we had a stronger running game, but in the Michigan State game we all saw that Bacher can be incredibly productive when the O-line gives him time. I'm still a firm believer that Colby needs to go, but the Michigan game showed us that our defense has potential. It is now up to our coaches to get both the offense and defensive to show up to the same game. 
>
> I feel very good about our chances against Minnesota and Eastern Michigan. If the Cats come through, we're at 5-3. I know that Indiana and Illinois are hot right now, but I think the Cats are capable of beating one of them and knocking off Iowa. 
>
> I will gladly drive 9 hours north to Detroit should a 6-6 NU team go to the Motor City Bowl. Especially if Colby is fired after the regular season and Fitz opts to personally coach the defense until a new DC can be hired. 
>
> There's still reason for optimism. It starts with Gopher meat on Saturday.
>
> Victory & Honor,
> Jim
>
>
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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Tue Oct  9 20:10:39 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct  9 20:04:31 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit
Message-ID: <cb3.1cc83d08.343d808f@aol.com>

The key to this season lies in the next two weeks. Can we take care  of 
business? Minnesota and E. Michigan.  Food for thought: Minnesota is  coming off a 
wicked 3 games of Purdue, Ohio At. and at Indiana This won't be an  easy game. 
 The odds-makers have installed NU as a 7 point favorite.   I concur with 
this line as Minnesota will "like the change."
   But a look at Minnesota's stats.  Their big gun Pinnix at  RB has 500 
yards; an avg. of 80 yards pergame, which I caution all is high  considering the 
"Goephs" are always playing from behind.  Consider: Per U  of M's web site: 
They've been outscored 2-1 in the 1st half ( a good reason why  Pinnix only has 
500 yards). 
  If you believe this scenario, get on them early.
 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Oct  9 22:20:47 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Oct  9 22:13:42 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 7
Message-ID: <571022.72323.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Standings will be out later this week, but here's the
lineup for week 7 in case anyone is heading to
Evanston early for the homecoming festivities. Picks
due by kickoff Saturday.

PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 7
######################
Name: 

BIG TEN
=======
GAME  1: Illinois @ Iowa
WINNER : 

GAME  2: Indiana @ Michigan State
WINNER : 

GAME  3: Purdue @ Michigan
WINNER : 

GAME  4: Kent State @ Ohio State
WINNER : 

GAME  5: Wisconsin @ Penn State
WINNER : 

NATIONAL
========
GAME  6: Louisiana State @ Kentucky
WINNER : 

GAME  7: Missouri @ Oklahoma
WINNER : 

GAME  8: Texas A&M @ Texas Tech
WINNER : 

GAME  9: Auburn @ Arkansas
WINNER : 

GAME 10: Boston College @ Notre Dame
WINNER : 

MY PICKS
========
* ILLINOIS 31, Iowa 10 - The Illini could be due for a
letdown, but still have enough to overpower Iowa.

* MICHIGAN STATE 35, Indiana 31 - Tough call here as
Sparty could fold it in, but I think it will be
different at night in East Lansing and the Hoosiers
let one they should win slip away.

* MICHIGAN 21, Purdue 19 - Another tough call here, as
Purdue has the offense to give Michigan fits, but may
also be shell shocked after last week. Michigan
survives at home.

* OHIO STATE 49, Kent State 3 - More blowouts from the
annual Buckeye Football Invitational.

* PENN STATE 27, Wisconsin 24 - Game of the day and
one both teams need after consecutive losses in
Illini-land - Nits use the home field to eke one out.

* LSU 30, Kentucky 13 - No late heroics here as LSU
may look sluggish in the first half but wakes up to
pull away.

* OKLAHOMA 27, Missouri 17 - Could be a Big XII title
game preview and in Columbia, I'd take a Mizzou upset
... but not in Norman.

* TEXAS TECH 42, Texas A&M 34 - The Aggies can't keep
up in a wild shootout in Lubbock.

* ARKANSAS 26, Auburn 23 - The Hogs need this one and
get the win at home.

* BOSTON COLLEGE 35, Notre Dame 7 - The Eagles are not
the fourth best team in the country, but they should
still have enough to win comfortably in South Bend.

And off the board ...

* NORTHWESTERN 45, Minnesota 31 - No late collapse
this time for homecoming as the Cats storm out to the
lead and then continue to stay ahead in the second
half.

Picks due by Saturday - GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Oct  9 22:49:38 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Oct  9 22:42:48 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 7
In-Reply-To: <571022.72323.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <571022.72323.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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> PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 7
> ######################
> Name: Jonathan Hodges
>
> BIG TEN
> =======
> GAME  1: Illinois @ Iowa
> WINNER : Illinois
>
> GAME  2: Indiana @ Michigan State
> WINNER : Michigan State
>
> GAME  3: Purdue @ Michigan
> WINNER : Purdue
>
> GAME  4: Kent State @ Ohio State
> WINNER : Ohio State
>
> GAME  5: Wisconsin @ Penn State
> WINNER : Wisconsin
>
> NATIONAL
> ========
> GAME  6: Louisiana State @ Kentucky
> WINNER : Louisiana State
>
> GAME  7: Missouri @ Oklahoma
> WINNER : Oklahoma
>
> GAME  8: Texas A&M @ Texas Tech
> WINNER : Texas Tech
>
> GAME  9: Auburn @ Arkansas
> WINNER : Arkansas
>
> GAME 10: Boston College @ Notre Dame
> WINNER : Boston College
>
>


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From thiegs at umn.edu  Thu Oct 11 00:01:18 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Wed Oct 10 23:58:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit
In-Reply-To: <cb3.1cc83d08.343d808f@aol.com>
References: <cb3.1cc83d08.343d808f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301c80bc3$d598d370$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

Actually, Pinnix (#29) has turf toe, which has been plaguing him the last
few weeks, and he hasn't been able to plant his foot effectively (which
obviously is bad for a running back).  He's also been fumbling lately, which
he hadn't done much at all the last couple of years.  True freshman Duane
(pronounced "Doo-JUAN") Bennett (#22) has been impressive but is banged up
now too.  Jay Thomas (#25), who also returns kicks, has tremendous
explosiveness and may be the most dangerous of the three but has been in
Brewster's doghouse for some reason, maybe because of a couple of fumbles.
Expect to see more of Thomas this week. Point being, Minnesota is a solid
three-deep at running back, so relatively lower-than-usual numbers for
Pinnix isn't necessarily that favorable for NU.

I think the key for NU on defense will be pass defense.  rFR Adam Weber has
tied the Minnesota record for TDs by a freshman already this year, but I
think he also leads the nation in INTs.  He gets good protection and can run
well (takes very few sacks), but has been picked off a lot, kind of like
Curtis Painter last year.  I believe I heard Dunbar comparing Weber to a
young Brett Basanez.

Minnesota will score some points, maybe lots.  The question is how can
Minnesota contain C.J. Bacher?  The Gophers are last in the nation in
passing defense and second-to-last in total defense.  Not good, facing the
Wildcat O.

I have watched both teams extensively this year, and I would be surprised if
Minnesota wins the game.  I think the Gophers will get better as they
progress, but this game is just a bad matchup for Minnesota's defense.

-Joe


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of WildElk2@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:11 PM
To: michael.vance@att.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit

The key to this season lies in the next two weeks. Can we take care  of 
business? Minnesota and E. Michigan.  Food for thought: Minnesota is  coming
off a 
wicked 3 games of Purdue, Ohio At. and at Indiana This won't be an  easy
game. 
 The odds-makers have installed NU as a 7 point favorite.   I concur with 
this line as Minnesota will "like the change."
   But a look at Minnesota's stats.  Their big gun Pinnix at  RB has 500 
yards; an avg. of 80 yards pergame, which I caution all is high  considering
the 
"Goephs" are always playing from behind.  Consider: Per U  of M's web site: 
They've been outscored 2-1 in the 1st half ( a good reason why  Pinnix only
has 
500 yards). 
  If you believe this scenario, get on them early.
 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Oct 11 07:29:55 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Oct 11 07:21:48 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit
In-Reply-To: <000301c80bc3$d598d370$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
References: <cb3.1cc83d08.343d808f@aol.com>
	<000301c80bc3$d598d370$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <000001c80c02$6e805070$4b80f150$@com>

Good analysis. I think Brewer is sticking with his QB, Weber:
http://www.startribune.com/gophers/story/1470026.html

IMHO, the issue is that Dunbar knows how NU plays defense, he ran his [and RW's]
offense against it all the time he and Colby were here. At the same time, Colby
knows pretty much what Dunbar would run - its like everyone who plays me knows I
tend to run a 31 Dive [fullback up the middle] as my first play in a game. Every
OC, including Mr. Dunbar has those kinds of traits, traits Fitz and Colby should
remember.

At the same time, Dunbar should be able to draw up scout team plays that match
what the Cats run.

While you would normally expect a big offensive show, I'm not sure that both
defenses come prepared to hold the other team down. 

In any case this one is Dunbar vs McGee and it should be a dandy game for
homecoming - especially when we win.

rsl 

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:01 AM
> To: WildElk2@aol.com; michael.vance@att.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit
> 
> Actually, Pinnix (#29) has turf toe, which has been plaguing him the last
> few weeks, and he hasn't been able to plant his foot effectively (which
> obviously is bad for a running back).  He's also been fumbling lately,
> which
> he hadn't done much at all the last couple of years.  True freshman Duane
> (pronounced "Doo-JUAN") Bennett (#22) has been impressive but is banged up
> now too.  Jay Thomas (#25), who also returns kicks, has tremendous
> explosiveness and may be the most dangerous of the three but has been in
> Brewster's doghouse for some reason, maybe because of a couple of fumbles.
> Expect to see more of Thomas this week. Point being, Minnesota is a solid
> three-deep at running back, so relatively lower-than-usual numbers for
> Pinnix isn't necessarily that favorable for NU.
> 
> I think the key for NU on defense will be pass defense.  rFR Adam Weber has
> tied the Minnesota record for TDs by a freshman already this year, but I
> think he also leads the nation in INTs.  He gets good protection and can
> run
> well (takes very few sacks), but has been picked off a lot, kind of like
> Curtis Painter last year.  I believe I heard Dunbar comparing Weber to a
> young Brett Basanez.
> 
> Minnesota will score some points, maybe lots.  The question is how can
> Minnesota contain C.J. Bacher?  The Gophers are last in the nation in
> passing defense and second-to-last in total defense.  Not good, facing the
> Wildcat O.
> 
> I have watched both teams extensively this year, and I would be surprised
> if
> Minnesota wins the game.  I think the Gophers will get better as they
> progress, but this game is just a bad matchup for Minnesota's defense.
> 
> -Joe
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of WildElk2@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:11 PM
> To: michael.vance@att.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit
> 
> The key to this season lies in the next two weeks. Can we take care  of
> business? Minnesota and E. Michigan.  Food for thought: Minnesota is
> coming
> off a
> wicked 3 games of Purdue, Ohio At. and at Indiana This won't be an  easy
> game.
>  The odds-makers have installed NU as a 7 point favorite.   I concur with
> this line as Minnesota will "like the change."
>    But a look at Minnesota's stats.  Their big gun Pinnix at  RB has 500
> yards; an avg. of 80 yards pergame, which I caution all is high
> considering
> the
> "Goephs" are always playing from behind.  Consider: Per U  of M's web site:
> They've been outscored 2-1 in the 1st half ( a good reason why  Pinnix only
> has
> 500 yards).
>   If you believe this scenario, get on them early.
> 
>            GO  CATS!!!              Eric
> 
> 
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Thu Oct 11 08:29:38 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Thu Oct 11 08:24:13 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit
Message-ID: <20071011.082938.25709.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com>

If there is any advantage I think it is with the Cats.  

Defense is reactive and knowing what you are reacting to is an advantage.

OTOH I don't believe Dunbar can help out Minnesota's defense as usually the coordinators are independent and there is little collaboration -- each has their own fiefdom.

What really scares me is Wheelwright their 6'5" WR.  He has 5 TDs on the season and our secondary is not quite there ;-)

Reading the game notes I can't believe they have won 3 straight vs. us as I thought we had their number.  I know one loss was the game moved by the Twins playoffs, which was bull-crud.

It should be beautiful football weather.  Hopefully we can continue the offensive explosion.

-- "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:

IMHO, the issue is that Dunbar knows how NU plays defense, he ran his [and RW's] offense against it all the time he and Colby were here. At the same time, Colby knows pretty much what Dunbar would run - its like everyone who plays me knows I tend to run a 31 Dive [fullback up the middle] as my first play in a game. Every OC, including Mr. Dunbar has those kinds of traits, traits Fitz and Colby should remember.

At the same time, Dunbar should be able to draw up scout team plays that match what the Cats run.

While you would normally expect a big offensive show, I'm not sure that both defenses come prepared to hold the other team down. 

In any case this one is Dunbar vs McGee and it should be a dandy game for homecoming - especially when we win.

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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Thu Oct 11 10:18:12 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct 11 10:12:10 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit
Message-ID: <d50.147bae39.343f98b4@aol.com>

On the subject of Dunbar....
 
Does anybody know the REAL story on Dunbar ?  He left us and went to  Cal, 
supposedly to be closer to his grandchildren.  Now he turns up in  Minneapolis.  
Did his grandchildren leave the bay area for the much more  glamorous twin 
cities ?  Or was the original 'grandchildren' excuse just a  smokescreen ?
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Oct 11 11:01:44 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Oct 11 10:53:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit
In-Reply-To: <d50.147bae39.343f98b4@aol.com>
References: <d50.147bae39.343f98b4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000401c80c20$0569dd90$103d98b0$@com>

IMHO..

 

Dunbar originally saw a chance to take over for RW if he failed, took another
job or retired early. I'm pretty sure he thought that was the thinking  when he
came to NU as the "tight ends" coach. Dunbar arrived at NU when RW was a hot
property, and was going to ride RW's coattails to something better.

 

When it became obvious that RW wasn't going to leave, AND that Fitz was the heir
apparent, he headed west to be with his family, and a shot at getting an elusive
head coaching job. Having interviewed him several times, he talked like a head
coach, not an assistant, and I'm sure he'd like one shot at the big time. 

 

At Cal he was always going to play second fiddle to their HC, and once he put in
the more spread type plays, he was really free to chase something where he would
be the head guy on offense and a showcase for a head coaching position. At
Minnesota, he has a chance to shine, and get that Div I offer which he'd jump at
quickly.

 

Dunbar has his national championship rings - from his early days on the west
coast, but every Div I assistant coach hopes to run his own team someday - I
doubt that Mike Dunbar is any different. And I personally think he'd do a really
good job.

 

IMHO of course

 

rsl

 

 

 

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From: CHerron604@aol.com [mailto:CHerron604@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:18 AM
To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; thiegs@umn.edu; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit

 

On the subject of Dunbar....

 

Does anybody know the REAL story on Dunbar ?  He left us and went to Cal,
supposedly to be closer to his grandchildren.  Now he turns up in Minneapolis.
Did his grandchildren leave the bay area for the much more glamorous twin cities
?  Or was the original 'grandchildren' excuse just a smokescreen ?

 

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From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 11 11:57:41 2007
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben)
Date: Thu Oct 11 11:50:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit
Message-ID: <220574.64632.qm@web60719.mail.yahoo.com>

I went to the Cal-Tennessee game earlier this year with a friend of mine, and the rumor I heard is that Dunbar's style never really meshed with Cal head coach Jeff Tedford's - the thinking being that Cal was never going to un the spread to the extent Dunbar wanted to.  So after a year, Dunbar moved on.


----- Original Message ----
From: Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
To: CHerron604@aol.com; thiegs@umn.edu; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 9:01:44 AM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit


IMHO..



Dunbar originally saw a chance to take over for RW if he failed, took another
job or retired early. I'm pretty sure he thought that was the thinking  when he
came to NU as the "tight ends" coach. Dunbar arrived at NU when RW was a hot
property, and was going to ride RW's coattails to something better.



When it became obvious that RW wasn't going to leave, AND that Fitz was the heir
apparent, he headed west to be with his family, and a shot at getting an elusive
head coaching job. Having interviewed him several times, he talked like a head
coach, not an assistant, and I'm sure he'd like one shot at the big time. 



At Cal he was always going to play second fiddle to their HC, and once he put in
the more spread type plays, he was really free to chase something where he would
be the head guy on offense and a showcase for a head coaching position. At
Minnesota, he has a chance to shine, and get that Div I offer which he'd jump at
quickly.



Dunbar has his national championship rings - from his early days on the west
coast, but every Div I assistant coach hopes to run his own team someday - I
doubt that Mike Dunbar is any different. And I personally think he'd do a really
good job.



IMHO of course



rsl







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(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
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From: CHerron604@aol.com [mailto:CHerron604@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 11:18 AM
To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; thiegs@umn.edu; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The road to Detroit



On the subject of Dunbar....



Does anybody know the REAL story on Dunbar ?  He left us and went to Cal,
supposedly to be closer to his grandchildren.  Now he turns up in Minneapolis.
Did his grandchildren leave the bay area for the much more glamorous twin cities
?  Or was the original 'grandchildren' excuse just a smokescreen ?



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From NEONRye at aol.com  Thu Oct 11 12:12:33 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct 11 12:09:18 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Early Bowl Predictions
Message-ID: <c26.20e80f33.343fb381@aol.com>

Not sure if Coach Roy posted this or not, but CBSSPORTSLINE.com has the  
following bowl predictions posted "as of Oct. 7": 
_http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions_ 
(http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions) 
 
Sadly, at this point NU is not forecast to be in a bowl game, as these  are 
the predictions:
 
Rose--tOSU
Cap One--Illini
Outback--Bucky
Alamo--Joe Pa
Champs--Wolverines
Motor City--Hoosiers
 
On the outside looking in, along with our beloved 'Cats, is, of  course, 
Sparty.  As I ponder this, I have come to the reluctant, but  necessary, 
conclusion that I must root for Tressel's gang to win out the rest of  the season, and 
hope that either CAL or LSU lose at least one game along the  way, so that the 
Buckeyes end up garnering an invitation to BCS  Championship Game, thereby 
opening up a 7th Big Ten bowl slot which  hopefully we can snag, rather than 
MSU.  As I have consistently stated over  the years, I hate Ohio State more than 
any other team, but I have seen the  light, and from now on, at least in 2007, 
my new motto is "Go Bucks!".  
 
Anybody else want to join me?:-)
 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 11 13:11:35 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Oct 11 13:04:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings
Message-ID: <479651.68166.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

OK, at long last (hey, at least I beat the BCS again:)
), here are the standings through week 6. But first,
the honor roll ...

UPSET SPECIALS - lots of 'em this year!:)

Week 1
* Bowling Green over Minnesota

Week 2
* Oregon over Michigan

Week 3
* Iowa State over Iowa
* Florida Atlantic over Minnesota
* Boston College over Georgia Tech
* Kentucky over Louisville

Week 4
* Michigan over Penn State
* Georgia over Alabama
* Kentucky over Arkansas

Week 5
* Illinois over Penn State
* Indiana over Iowa
* Auburn over Florida
* South Florida over West Virginia

Week 6
* Illinois over Wisconsin

UNANIMOUS PICKS - all except the first one went well:)

Week 1
* Michigan over Appalachain State
* Indiana over Indiana State

Week 2
* Illinois over Western Illinois
* Ohio State over Akron
* Purdue over Eastern Illinois
* Wisconsin over UNLV

Week 3
* Penn State over Buffalo
* Purdue over Central Michigan
* Wisconsin over The Citadel

Week 4
* USC over Washington State

Week 5
* Ohio State over Minnesota

Week 6
* Penn State over Iowa
* Michigan over Eastern Michigan

And now to the big board ...

                  ----- RECORD ----  - UPSET -  TOTAL
RK  NAME          WK 6  OVERL  PCT.  WK 6 OVRL  WEEKS
======================================================
 1) E. Steffe      8-2  56-19  .747    0    1    6
 1) S. Truog       9-1  56-19  .747    0    1    6
 3) M. Zilka       8-2  55-20  .733    0    1    6
 4) J. Wall        7-3  44-16  .733    0    2    5
 5) P. Wolfe       ---  40-15  .727    0    3    4
 6) B. Wilson      8-2  54-21  .720    0    4    6
 7) P. Groves      6-4  53-22  .707    0    4    6
 7) C. Herron      8-2  53-22  .707    0    0    6
 7) T. McAdams     8-2  53-22  .707    0    0    6
 7) K. Sevilla     8-2  53-22  .707    1    5    6
11) M. Ament       ---  35-15  .700    0    2    4
12) J. Bendat      8-2  52-23  .693    0    3    6
12) B. Winkler     7-3  52-23  .693    0    2    6
14) J. Leonard     9-1  31-14  .689    1    3    4
15) B. Taylor      6-4  41-19  .683    0    1    5
16) I. Embrekts    9-1  51-24  .680    0    0    6
16) A. Wolfson     6-4  51-24  .680    0    1    6
18) M. Barnard     ---  33-17  .660    0    1    4
19) J. Labbe       7-3  48-27  .640    0    0    6
19) R. Stahl       6-4  48-27  .640    1    3    6
21) C. Bailey      7-3  47-28  .627    0    1    6
21) J. Hodges      6-4  47-28  .627    0    2    6
21) S. Wolfson     6-4  47-28  .627    0    4    6
24) B. Waldele     6-4  36-24  .600    0    1    5
25) A. McInturff   6-4  40-35  .533    0    3    6

-- NOT ELIGIBLE AT THIS TIME --
xx) C. Miller      ---  14- 1  .933    0    1    1
xx) J. Hawkins     ---  12- 3  .800    0    1    1
xx) K. Maresco     ---  34-11  .756    0    0    3
xx) Syd. Wolfson   ---  15-10  .600    0    3    2
xx) C. Rossi       ---  19-16  .543    0    1    3
xx) M. Whelan      6-4  16-14  .533    0    0    3

Remember - picks due by kickoff.
Happy Homecoming ... Happy Birthday Willie!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 11 13:59:49 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Thu Oct 11 13:52:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Early Bowl Predictions
Message-ID: <16154441.1192129189475.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Paul forgot to mention the other CBS bowl projection:  Insight Bowl:  Purdue.

I think we're going to have to do better than 6-6 to get a bid.  --  Jim


-----Original Message-----
>From: NEONRye@aol.com
>Sent: Oct 11, 2007 10:12 AM
>To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
>Subject: [NU Sports] Early Bowl Predictions
>
>Not sure if Coach Roy posted this or not, but CBSSPORTSLINE.com has the  
>following bowl predictions posted "as of Oct. 7": 
>_http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions_ 
>(http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions) 
> 
>Sadly, at this point NU is not forecast to be in a bowl game, as these  are 
>the predictions:
> 
>Rose--tOSU
>Cap One--Illini
>Outback--Bucky
>Alamo--Joe Pa
>Champs--Wolverines
>Motor City--Hoosiers
> 
>On the outside looking in, along with our beloved 'Cats, is, of  course, 
>Sparty.  As I ponder this, I have come to the reluctant, but  necessary, 
>conclusion that I must root for Tressel's gang to win out the rest of  the season, and 
>hope that either CAL or LSU lose at least one game along the  way, so that the 
>Buckeyes end up garnering an invitation to BCS  Championship Game, thereby 
>opening up a 7th Big Ten bowl slot which  hopefully we can snag, rather than 
>MSU.  As I have consistently stated over  the years, I hate Ohio State more than 
>any other team, but I have seen the  light, and from now on, at least in 2007, 
>my new motto is "Go Bucks!".  
> 
>Anybody else want to join me?:-)
> 
>Paul Levinson
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 11 14:32:48 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Oct 11 14:25:34 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Early Bowl Predictions
In-Reply-To: <c26.20e80f33.343fb381@aol.com>
Message-ID: <783641.54085.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Not sure if Coach Roy posted this or not, but
> CBSSPORTSLINE.com has the  
> Sadly, at this point NU is not forecast to be in a
> bowl game, as these  are 
> the predictions:

Interesting read - I just find it hard to believe that
with four open BCS slots, the Big Ten will be denied a
second bid in the BCS. We know the SEC will have two,
and the Pac 10 is likely to have 2 as well. 

If Hawaii takes one - which may not be a given with
Brennan hurt - then there's one more left thanks to
Notre Dame. The Big XII will be hard pressed to get it
unless OU runs the table, looks great and slips up in
the title game. The ACC is out and despite the
inflated records of the Big East, I just don't think
that a Cincy or even WVU has the pull for the bowls of
a Michigan, Wisconsin or Penn State.

> Rose--tOSU

... hard to argue except that if OSU wins out, they
will be in the national title game. Cal won't win out
and if the Bucks can beat a final four of Illinois,
Wisky, PSU and Michigan, they'll have earned it.

As for the second BCS slot, Illinois would be hard to
ignore if they finish 10-2 with a great story - but I
think they'll lose to OSU and Michigan. If PSU wins
over Wisky and OSU, they'd be hard to ignore at 10-2
as well.

But let's look at this scenario. Michigan and OSU win
out until the end and Lloyd goes out with a rare W
over Tressel. Leaving Michigan at 10-2 and in the Rose
Bowl and an 11-1 Ohio State as a shoo-in for the
second BCS bid.

Bottom line, I think we get two.

> Cap One--Illini
> Outback--Bucky

These two are probably right. Illinois beat Bucky and
the Badgers visited Orlando last year. Let's go for a
full on orange Citrus Bowl with an Illini-Vols game
and Syracuse on the sidelines. My eyes hurt just
thinking about it!:)

> Alamo--Joe Pa

Assuming two of the OSU/PSU/UM trio gets in the BCS,
the third probably drops here. PSU has a chance to
play its way back up, though, with OSU, Wisky and
Purdue all visiting Happy Valley in the latter half of
the season.

> Champs--Wolverines

Tough to see them dropping here unless they lose to
Wisky, OSU and the Illini. Even an 8-4 Michigan team
is too irresistible for the Alamo or Outback.

Moo Moo seems more likely to get the second Orlando
spot. Or Indiana if they win the Bucket.

> Motor City--Hoosiers

Sounds good with me. MSU could go here as well.

Insight = CATS!!! C'mon, I can dream!:)

We should know more about NU's chances in the next
couple weeks. Gotta win the gottawins and that means
no more slip ups against the Gophers or EMUs.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Thu Oct 11 15:32:14 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct 11 15:28:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Early Bowl Predictions
Message-ID: <bdf.1e7367ba.343fe24e@aol.com>

Another "senior moment" for Yours Truly--forgetting Purdue in the Insight  
Bowl.  
 
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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Thu Oct 11 21:45:29 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct 11 21:39:29 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Early Bowl Predictions
Message-ID: <c44.21086bf8.344039c9@aol.com>

Along with all the Bug 10 tie-ins, there are instances where other  
conferences don't fill their slots and take teams from other conferences.   I'm not 
sure, but is their any bowls who still pick "at large" teams?
   About Illinois: Forget chalking this game up as a loss. If we  stay 
healthy, I say we'll get between their ears and knock 'em on their ass. The  only 
game I'm seeing as a probable loss is Purdue, because Tiller owns  us.
The last 2 games have changed the complexion of this season.  Every  game 
will be a fight and we won't win them all, but things look a hell of a lot  
better now than they were 2 weeks ago.
 
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 11 22:36:00 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Thu Oct 11 22:28:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Early Bowl Predictions
In-Reply-To: <c44.21086bf8.344039c9@aol.com>
References: <c44.21086bf8.344039c9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <470EEBA0.5080006@earthlink.net>

2004:  NU 13, Purdue 10
2005:  NU 34, Purdue 29

WildElk2@aol.com wrote:
> The  only game I'm seeing as a probable loss is Purdue, because Tiller owns  us.
>
>   

From johnl at mac.com  Fri Oct 12 00:38:48 2007
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Fri Oct 12 00:31:31 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Early Bowl Predictions
In-Reply-To: <470EEBA0.5080006@earthlink.net>
References: <c44.21086bf8.344039c9@aol.com> <470EEBA0.5080006@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <18bee3d1345b93660af69c002e1f939c@mac.com>

But see 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2007.  So we're 
2-8 in the past 10 seasons against Purdue.  That's more losses than we 
have against any other Big Ten foe in the last 10 seasons before this 
year.  Having said that, I haven't been as impressed with Tiller's 
teams the past few years as I used to be.




On Oct 11, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Jim Bendat wrote:

> 2004:  NU 13, Purdue 10
> 2005:  NU 34, Purdue 29
>
> WildElk2@aol.com wrote:
>> The  only game I'm seeing as a probable loss is Purdue, because 
>> Tiller owns  us.
>>
>>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Oct 12 06:31:25 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Oct 12 06:23:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Early Bowl Predictions
In-Reply-To: <18bee3d1345b93660af69c002e1f939c@mac.com>
References: <c44.21086bf8.344039c9@aol.com> <470EEBA0.5080006@earthlink.net>
	<18bee3d1345b93660af69c002e1f939c@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001c01c80cc3$6cc84780$4658d680$@com>

Basketball on Grass was Tiller's sales pitch when he started.

NU has a bad history of playing basketball and over in Lafayette, we seem to
have a hard time adjusting. I'm still willing to accept that the Cats can step
up again and beat the Boilers, but first there's a nasty Gopher problem to deal
with, and a former OC who knows how it feels to win in Evanston.

This could be a big time weekend - Go Homecoming!

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of John Labbe
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:39 AM
> To: 'nwu-sports@tssi.com' Sports List
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Early Bowl Predictions
> 
> But see 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2007.  So we're
> 2-8 in the past 10 seasons against Purdue.  That's more losses than we
> have against any other Big Ten foe in the last 10 seasons before this
> year.  Having said that, I haven't been as impressed with Tiller's
> teams the past few years as I used to be.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 11, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Jim Bendat wrote:
> 
> > 2004:  NU 13, Purdue 10
> > 2005:  NU 34, Purdue 29
> >
> > WildElk2@aol.com wrote:
> >> The  only game I'm seeing as a probable loss is Purdue, because
> >> Tiller owns  us.
> >>
> >>
> >
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Fri Oct 12 06:36:19 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Fri Oct 12 06:31:02 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Early Bowl Predictions
Message-ID: <20071012.063619.29211.3@webmail11.dca.untd.com>

Sandy [Scottish brougue]: Carl I want you to kill all the gophers on the golf course 
Carl: Correct me if I'm wrong Sandy, but if I kill all the golfers they'll lock me up and throw away the key. 
Sandy: Not golfers, you great git! Gophers, the little brown, furry rodents! 
Carl: We can do that. We don't even need a reason. 
Sandy: Ayye! Well do it, man! 
Carl: OK, but why don't we do the same thing, but with gophers? 
[Sandy storms off] 
Carl: It's not my fault nobody can understand you. 

-- "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
Basketball on Grass was Tiller's sales pitch when he started.

NU has a bad history of playing basketball and over in Lafayette, we seem to
have a hard time adjusting. I'm still willing to accept that the Cats can step
up again and beat the Boilers, but first there's a nasty Gopher problem to deal
with, and a former OC who knows how it feels to win in Evanston.

This could be a big time weekend - Go Homecoming!

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
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(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
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============================================

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of John Labbe
> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 1:39 AM
> To: 'nwu-sports@tssi.com' Sports List
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Early Bowl Predictions
> 
> But see 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, and 2007.  So we're
> 2-8 in the past 10 seasons against Purdue.  That's more losses than we
> have against any other Big Ten foe in the last 10 seasons before this
> year.  Having said that, I haven't been as impressed with Tiller's
> teams the past few years as I used to be.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 11, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Jim Bendat wrote:
> 
> > 2004:  NU 13, Purdue 10
> > 2005:  NU 34, Purdue 29
> >
> > WildElk2@aol.com wrote:
> >> The  only game I'm seeing as a probable loss is Purdue, because
> >> Tiller owns  us.
> >>
> >>
> >
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From draney06 at comcast.net  Sat Oct  6 22:33:48 2007
From: draney06 at comcast.net (David Raney)
Date: Fri Oct 12 12:49:58 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] YES!!! (fwd)
References: <200710070203.l9723xN9001476@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c80892$e0799150$0b00a8c0@RANEYCOMPUTER>

Why quit before the century mark?
----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 9:03 PM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] YES!!! (fwd)


>> Mike wrote <snip>
>> 
>> Maybe the Cubs can prolong the agony another day?
>> 
>> ======================
>> 
>> Nope.
> 
> They decided to prolong it another year instead.
> --
> Mike Nolan
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Fri Oct 12 15:20:20 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Fri Oct 12 15:16:57 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] GopherHole NU-U of M Game Preview
Message-ID: <000001c80d0d$553239b0$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

Here's a well-researched game preview for the Northwestern-Minnesota game
tomorrow from GopherHole.com with some interesting statistical items:
 
http://www.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News
<http://www.gopherhole.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=732>
&file=article&sid=732
 
 
-Joe
 
From WildElk2 at aol.com  Fri Oct 12 17:05:03 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Fri Oct 12 16:58:50 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Early Bowl Predictions
Message-ID: <cbc.1dfb51ef.3441498f@aol.com>

As one poster pointed out, we're 2-8 in the last 10 against Purdue.  It seems 
that Tiller is stellar defending the spread (before 2000 it was only  because 
we were bad 97-99!) and usually has some sort of marvelous QB calling  the 
shots.
   Of course, I'd like to win the remaining 6 games on the  schedule, but I 
believe we'll beat Ill-noise,  but fall short against our  old buddy Tiller.
   Prediction time: First of all, I think the fans of Minnesota  may be 
thinking about NDSt., but I bet U of M.'s players aren't.  I'm sure  the 1500,1600 
yards we've amassed in the last three games has got their  attention.
Thanks Joe T. for reminding us of Coach B's house-cleaning at the beginning  
of the season.
   I was pissed for Mason's firing; it reminded me of the  discussion that 
went on on this list concerning RW's 6,7 win seasons.  As  was the case of 
Mason, I'm not sure that some sort of Shula/Lombardi/Rockne  clone could get more 
out of either program.
   With that said,  Coach B. is in a house-cleaning year  with many problems 
to fix.  The fact that Pinnix has been hurt , although  not as bad as Sutton, 
made their situation worse.  As usual, our defense  will keep this game close, 
but as long as we hold on to the ball, we'll have  little difficulty 
tomorrow.  CATS 38  GOEPHS 24.
 
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From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Sat Oct 13 11:38:13 2007
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 13 11:34:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] game
In-Reply-To: <cbc.1dfb51ef.3441498f@aol.com>
References: <cbc.1dfb51ef.3441498f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8C9DBCE951CA150-12BC-7580@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com>

sounds like we are holding our own 7-0, listening in Kandy sri lanka, pretty cool, big party here in my hotel, sri lanka air, open bar which I guess they are not particular, a couple JW black and I will stay up for the game.??Little ater 10 here 9 1/2 hours difference, go figure.?


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From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Sat Oct 13 11:45:09 2007
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 13 11:41:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sutton
Message-ID: <cfb.1c54b9e7.34425015@aol.com>

Everyone sorry I may have missed something but how much longer is  Sutton out 
for?



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From warneradams at comcast.net  Sat Oct 13 13:38:15 2007
From: warneradams at comcast.net (warneradams)
Date: Sat Oct 13 13:31:09 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Challenge
In-Reply-To: <8C9DBCE951CA150-12BC-7580@WEBMAIL-DF05.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20071013183835.A85FB1C1FA@gw.tssi.com>

Fitzgerald has to challenge the ruling on the field on that fumble!  Who is
advising him on that?  That didn't look like a catch.

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 13 13:42:50 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Oct 13 13:35:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 35-21:  we've got 'em right where we want 'em
Message-ID: <471111AA.8040105@earthlink.net>

It's just like 2000:  we trailed 35-14, late in the 3rd quarter.  We 
then got a TD just before the end of that quarter to make it 35-14.  
Final score:  NU 41, Minny 35.

From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Sat Oct 13 15:05:15 2007
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 13 14:58:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
Message-ID: <c46.21a94cd8.34427efb@aol.com>

At it again.
Let's get that big "Mo" going into next week.
Great come from behind win.
C.J. is been unreal the last 2 weeks
 
Go Cats



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From NEONRye at aol.com  Sat Oct 13 15:05:48 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 13 15:02:10 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] CATS WINNNNNNNNNNNN!
Message-ID: <d3b.15be1c76.34427f1c@aol.com>

I am ready for my coronary with our beloved Cardiac Boys, listening on  
WGN.com  What a great winnnnnnnnn!  Now for my son's HS Soccer  Homecoming Game for 
2 great Homecomings in one day.
 
Paul Levinson



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From NEONRye at aol.com  Sat Oct 13 15:09:20 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 13 15:02:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
Message-ID: <c64.1dd3d32c.34427ff0@aol.com>

Well, now we have a realistic shot at a bowl game if we can "keep up the  
good work".
 
Paul Levinson



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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Oct 13 16:00:11 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Oct 13 15:54:01 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
References: <c64.1dd3d32c.34427ff0@aol.com>
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The only thing missing was Victory Right!  Any of you medical people out 
there have any spare nitro-glycerine you can send me?  I don't want it for 
my heart.  I want to blow myself up because I don't think I can stand any 
more of these heart-stoppers.  Thank you, Minnesota, for going for two.

But oh, that awful defense of ours.  One play they do well, and the next 
five, holes open up large enough for the Colorado River to pass through in 
flood stage.  And a few weeks ago I posted, WE HAVE A KICKER!  That is now 
in serious doubt.  Three missed field goals and an extra point in two games, 
and the kickoffs are dreadful.  Two more out-of-bounds today.

And Fitz, never should you have gone for an onside kick to open the second 
half down by only one TD to a team that was no better than your equal.  But 
those kids are playing their hearts out for you.

Anyway, it's on to Eastern Michigan and a month of paying Directv for the 
sports package just to get one channel.  Everyone who has Directv should 
e-mail them and demand ESPNU be included in the standard packages instead of 
the local sports channel group. 

From JHCCLARK at aol.com  Sat Oct 13 17:13:40 2007
From: JHCCLARK at aol.com (JHCCLARK@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 13 17:10:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Re-Broadcast ?
Message-ID: <0F647530.65166F5A.006D6456@aol.com>

So I get home and see the score on the scroll on ABC.  I read online that the game was wild and woolly.

Unfortunately I was on the road up here in Joisey and didn't get to hear the WGN or WNUR internet broadcasts of the Minnesota game.

Does anybody know if WGN or WNUR re-broadcast or archive the games?  I can't find a link on their websites.

Jeff Clark
JHCClark@aol.com

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sat Oct 13 20:48:11 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sat Oct 13 20:41:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
Message-ID: <101420070148.6865.4711755B0004B63F00001AD12216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

At some point, NU is going to run out of luck over the remaining games and the ineffective defense will be fatal. 

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> The only thing missing was Victory Right!  Any of you medical people out 
> there have any spare nitro-glycerine you can send me?  I don't want it for 
> my heart.  I want to blow myself up because I don't think I can stand any 
> more of these heart-stoppers.  Thank you, Minnesota, for going for two.
> 
> But oh, that awful defense of ours.  One play they do well, and the next 
> five, holes open up large enough for the Colorado River to pass through in 
> flood stage.  And a few weeks ago I posted, WE HAVE A KICKER!  That is now 
> in serious doubt.  Three missed field goals and an extra point in two games, 
> and the kickoffs are dreadful.  Two more out-of-bounds today.
> 
> And Fitz, never should you have gone for an onside kick to open the second 
> half down by only one TD to a team that was no better than your equal.  But 
> those kids are playing their hearts out for you.
> 
> Anyway, it's on to Eastern Michigan and a month of paying Directv for the 
> sports package just to get one channel.  Everyone who has Directv should 
> e-mail them and demand ESPNU be included in the standard packages instead of 
> the local sports channel group. 
> 
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From jmccull at insight.rr.com  Sat Oct 13 21:09:40 2007
From: jmccull at insight.rr.com (J.R. McCullough)
Date: Sat Oct 13 21:02:33 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] OSU about to rise to #1
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LSU lost, and Cal is on the ropes. If OSU can stay clean, they'll be in the title game again.

To be honest, I don't see anyone in the Big Ten beating them this year. 

How about those Cats? Why can't we win an easy one? Unreal.
From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sat Oct 13 23:32:10 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Sat Oct 13 23:26:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
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As the BTN announcers must have repeated 20 times throughout the game, there
were bowl scouts in attendance today.  They didn't identify them or show
them so I couldn't tell what color blazers they were wearing.
Mark

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Well, now we have a realistic shot at a bowl game if we can "keep up the  
good work".
 
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 14 00:11:30 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Oct 14 00:04:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
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And maybe, just maybe, we won't run out of luck.  In fact, maybe our 
ability to win close and crazy games is not luck.  We're now 8-1 all 
time in overtime games (including 7-0 in conference games) -- the best 
overtime stat of any team in the country. 

And while I'm looking at the positive side of things, there were people 
on this list who, just a few days ago, pointed out that we're 2-8 in our 
last ten games at Purdue.  I chose to look at the fact that we're 2-1 in 
the last three games against the Boilers.  Our present group of seniors 
is 2-1 against them.  They have nothing to do with the previous seven 
losses.  Why is it that some people on this list have to focus on the 
negative?

Jim


johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> At some point, NU is going to run out of luck over the remaining games and the ineffective defense will be fatal. 
>
> John DeGroat
>
>   

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 14 01:06:12 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Oct 14 00:58:48 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] WILDCAT WRAP: Northwestern 49, Minnesota 48 (2OT)
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WILDCAT WRAP ? NORTHWESTERN 49, MINNESOTA 48 (2OT)
By Stephen J. Truog

It just wouldn?t be homecoming at Northwestern with
some kind of crazy comeback. And it wouldn?t be a
Northwestern game, period, without a frenzied finish.

And after last year, we were due.

Maybe it?s just something about being down 35-14 to
Minnesota that leads to wild wins for the Wildcats, as
homecoming 2007 ended happily for the purple-clad NU
faithful with a thrilling 49-48 double overtime win
over Minnesota.

As with last week?s OT win at Michigan State, the
much-needed victory erases all kinds of woes, and
there were plenty for the purple this week 
 atrocious
special teams that, frankly, were a shock after
improved play most of this year 
 a porous defense
that saw some great individual efforts rise above
another poorly planned scheme 
 and most disappointing
of all until the final quarter, an offense that looked
dominant between the 20s but couldn?t capitalize on
many opportunities to put this game away early.

But that?s all for the film sessions and game plans of
the future. What mattered is that when the Cats needed
him, C.J. Bacher again showed signs of maturing into a
true leader quarterback in the likes of Basanez and
Kustok in this Northwestern spread offense. With calm
confidence and pistol precision, Bacher did what he
could not do earlier in this season against Duke. With
fourth down and quite possibly the season on the line,
he delivered the rally-capping touchdown to help
salvage what could have been another homecoming horror
story for Northwestern.

For a while there, it looked like a repeat of last
year?s homecoming except this time, NU only got a
quarter to enjoy themselves before a collapse. Things
started well after the teams exchanged 3-and-outs with
the Cats finding their rhythm and easily moving the
ball down the field on their second possession for a
7-0 lead.

Then things got better. Goal line stand. Two words
that Wildcat fans probably thought they might never
utter again after the 1995 Wisconsin victory. But
after giving the Gophers a short field, four tries
inside the five and three attempts at the one yard
line 
 the NU defense thrilled the student section
with three straight stuffs in that same north end zone
where the Wisconsin game ended to get the ball back
and keep the 7-0 lead. Better yet 
 the Cats mounted a
90+ yard drive following the stand but stalled inside
the other five yard line.

But here?s where the game took a strange turn like the
MSU game last year did. A chip shot field goal doinked
off the goal post and even though the Wildcats had
thoroughly dominated the first quarter and a half,
they only had a 7-0 lead to show for it. Suddenly, the
Gophers realized that they were still miraculously in
this game and started attacking with their mobile
quarterback. Before you could say ski-u-mah, Minnesota
was up 14-7 and even though the Cats got a jump ball
touchdown near the end of the half to tie it, the
Gophers marched down to add another score before
halftime, thanks to sloppy special teams play and an
inexplicable kick out of bounds for a short field with
a minute left.

So the halftime score was 21-14 Goldie, and not even a
minute elapsed in the third quarter before the Gophers
added another touchdown. Again, an out of bounds
kickoff to start the half gave Minny excellent
starting field position.

Again, NU moved the ball well but saw drives result in
another missed chip shot field goal and a fumble near
the red zone. These led to yet another drive of big
plays for Minnesota and a touchdown for a 35-14 lead. 

Sure, Northwestern fans were reminded this week of the
thrilling 2000 ?Victory Right? comeback against
Minnesota to win 41-35, rallying from a 35-14 deficit
in the second half. But things were looking bleak. The
offense was wasting red zone opportunities, the
special teams were in disarray and despite some fire
early from the defense, we were giving up gobs of
yards in the second and third quarters.

But then C.J. Bacher rallied the purple faithful into
a frenzy with a masterful comeback that deserves to be
placed alongside that Kustok classic in 2000. He had a
lot of help from what has to be the best stable of
wide receivers NU has had in awhile. Ross Lane has
become a touchdown machine with some of the surest
hands in the nation. Not far behind him in that
category is Eric Peterman, who is starting to remind
NU fans of Brian Musso with those fearless snags
across the middle. Kim Thompson also showed up
big-time today. Yarborough and Ward have added speed
and shown improvement. And best of all, after years of
seeming banishment from the NU playbook, the screen is
back! We may not have perfected getting the blockers
out in front yet, but the amount of screen plays in
the past three weeks on offense has to outnumber our
screens in the past three seasons.

And Bacher has become a master at getting all of these
receiving weapons ? as well as his running backs
Conteh and Roberson ? involved and mixing it up well.

Two nice touchdown drives and two nifty turnovers
forced by the defense later and the Cats are within a
score at 35-28. But we can?t convert third down with
6:00 left and punt. The defense struggled the first
couple tries, but finally forced fourth down and we
got one last chance with Bacher running the two-minute
drill with one timeout. Like the Duke game, it came
down to fourth and goal in the south end zone. But
this time, Bacher found Peterman with a laser between
two defenders in the corner of the end zone to tie it.
It was as perfect a pass as you?ll see and it was
exactly where it had to be. One inch in any direction
and Minnesota wins. Instead, we go to overtime.

The Gophers played in two overtime games to start the
season and NU was coming off the OT win last week in
East Lansing, so neither team seemed intimidated even
though momentum was clearly wearing purple. Minny
struck first, NU answered. Not surprising given both
teams? porous defenses ? though the Cats needed a big
fourth down conversion from ? guess who ? Lane before
#9 scored his second TD of the game to tie it. NU
drove and scored in the second OT and Minnesota
answered. Opting to go for the win, Minny lined up for
two when the Cats got nice pressure and forced the
incompletion. Happy homecoming, Cats win!

It was a game we should have blown open 21-0 early and
coasted to victory in. Then it turned into a game
where we were getting blown out, couldn?t stop
Minnesota and had no business winning. But it ended ?
as so many NU games have in the last decade or so ?
with a wild Wildcat win. There were a lot of things we
did wrong, but when C.J. and the offense are on, it
all seems right in the end. I believe NU is now 7-0 in
Big Ten overtime games and our record in games decided
by a score or less is among the top 2-3 in the nation
in the past decade, so sooner or later that has to
stop being called lucky and start being chalked up to
incredible heart, desire and a never-give-up attitude.

Before we get to the game balls, a quick word on our
opponent?s fans today. Aside from Indiana, Minnesota
probably brings the least amount of fans to their
games at Ryan Field. However, they have always seemed
to me to be the best opposing fans in the Big Ten.
It?s not the size that matters, but the spirit. Gopher
fans do not come into our stadium all arrogant,
expecting us to bow down and revel in their
awesomeness as some visitors do. And they?re not
overbearingly obnoxious as other fans (we all know
which three schools I?m talking about) are in
Evanston. But that doesn?t mean they?re quiet. They
make a lot of noise, support their team through thick
and thin and show a great amount of class, spirit and
sportsmanship. As a NUMBalum, I appreciate that heart
and pride to be a true fan no matter what the score
and no matter whether you have 500 fans in attendance
or 25,000. Once Minnesota gets their on-campus stadium
and escapes that dreadful dome, I think they?ll have a
heck of a home field advantage.

Also, maybe it was the alums on campus for homecoming
or drawing inspiration from the fans in maroon and
gold, but NU?s student section was as active as I?ve
seen in awhile. Singing along with the school song,
making some noise and just being great fans. So were
the rest of the folks in purple. The stadium wasn?t
too full, but it was loud and full of frenzied fans
that were rightfully treated to a fantastic finish.
Well done all around! Now to the game balls 


GAME BALLS
* C.J. Bacher. Almost 1000 yards in two weeks. Two
masterful performances. He is looking every bit the
worthy successor to Baz and is starting to lead this
team with confidence and outstanding play. Well done,
#18!
* Ross Lane. As a simple rule, when you?re inside the
9 yard line, find out where #9 in purple is. All Lane
does? Catch touchdowns! Actually, he does a heck of a
lot more, including some nice blocking on screens that
our other wideouts could learn from.
* The refs. Just kidding. I couldn?t really think of a
third off hand because I don?t want to give the entire
offense one because of their ineffectiveness in the
red zone in the first three quarters. Meanwhile, we
had one series where a Lane was tripped up on a deep
pass from Bacher and the flag flew in. It looked like
our friends in stripes would call interference, but
after a conference, I figured they?d just pick the
flag up and chalk it up to incidental contact as the
legs got tangled. But the call they came up with was
offensive interference? It still baffles me. But
overall, the refs weren?t in the way of either
offense, so a somewhat mock, somewhat not bravo.
* OK, for real, third game ball to the fans. As I
explained above this was good old-fashioned fanaticism
on all sides. Sportsmanlike, but spirited. I think it
was telling that neither team seemed to want to do
overtime in the north end zone ? where the NU students
and Gopher fans were on opposite sides and making a
lot of noise despite small numbers.

THINGS TO WORK ON
* Defense. We had some great individual efforts. A
couple tipped passes, a nice interception, pressure on
the two-point try and Corey Wooton?s interception to
name a few. Not to mention the goal line stand. But
overall, it was a case of some individual effort and
hustle overcoming another poor game plan. Count me
aboard the CanColby.com brigade. And speaking of
Wooton, seeing him up close from the band box, it?s
been a long time since NU has had a defensive lineman
with his raw talent. I sure hope we get some of our
alums ? Matt Rice, Luis Castillo (sans steroids, of
course), Casey Daley, etc. ? in here this summer to
work with Wooten. This kid has the physical skills to
be a great one and with some hard work in the
off-season, he could have a breakout year next year.
* Special teams. What happened? Doing so well this
year until the end of the MSU game and it continued
here. Two short field goals missed. Kickoffs out of
bounds. UGH! FIX IT!
* Red zone chances. We were moving the ball well
between the twenties in the first half and should have
put this game away early. We can?t play with fire too
often by letting teams hang around despite dominating
them on offense because we can?t put points on the
board. It burned us against Duke but we got away with
it here.

AROUND THE LEAGUE
* Wow. What a wild weekend. Again. Explain to me again
how a playoff would make this any less exciting? It
would still be a great regular season plus you?d have
more of it with march madness on grass! We may need a
playoff to sort out the myriad of 1-loss teams with
claims to the BCS title game this year. And as I said,
don?t count out the Gators. I can already hear Urban
Meyer whining, er ?lobbying,? for Florida to leapfrog
teams at the end of the season if they get to the SEC
title game and win. Mack Brown?s famous politicking to
jump Cal for a BCS spot a few years back will look
like child?s play after this year?s jockeying by
coaches to get into those top two spots.
* Speaking of coaches who whine, er, ?politick? 

MICHIGAN is quietly back to their preseason role as
the Big Ten favorite. They already beat PSU, they just
got done stomping Purdue and Ohio State comes to the
Big House for what could be Lloyd Carr?s farewell game
and what could be a great story of a team that started
awful rallying for nine straight wins and playing for
a Rose Bowl berth. They still have some tough tests
left, though, and they need Mike Hart to be healthy
for that stretch run. But still, great story.
* As for Michigan?s rival, this year has been classic
Tressel so far. After a rare coaching blunder last
year in the title game, he has come back focused and
relying on defense and a steady O to rise to #1 in the
rankings. They have a killer final four games, though.
* And that killer stretch starts with PENN STATE, who
finally looked like the team we expected all year in
their thrashing of Wisconsin. OSU?s toughest hurdle to
the BCS title game will likely be their visit to Happy
Valley in two weeks for a night game under White Out
conditions. Can?t wait for that one! As for Bucky,
look out below ? the Bielema Bandwagon is losing
altitude and FAST. He sure wasn?t smirking across the
sidelines at JoePa as they went to halftime this year

 as cranky ole? Joe would say, that?s his problem
now! All PSU has to be concerned with is winning out.
A 10-2 Lions squad would be BCS bound and might even
sneak into Pasadena if the Big Ten home stretch is as
wild as the college season has been so far.
* PSU/Wisky was supposed to be for the Big Ten title 

but along came ILLINOIS. Sooner or later, the Zookers?
youth that cost them the Mizzou game had to show,
though, and once again the gold and black opponent
uniforms brought it out. Good thing they don?t face
Purdue. Were they looking ahead to Michigan under the
lights? Tough jolt for the Illini fans and a big win
for Iowa.
* Speaking of restoring order or reality check, MSU
showed that this year may indeed be different 
 and
Indiana showed that this year may not be different 

with a Sparty smackdown under the lights.

What does this mean for the wild Big Ten race and bowl
picture? Well, it means that as long as Michigan and
OSU don?t lose focus in upcoming games with the Illini
and Badgers (or PSU for the Bucks), that they should
once again play for the Big Ten title and automatic
BCS bid. Hopefully the league can get two again
because we may need it to find a bowl for everyone.
After that? It?s a mess. Minny and Iowa are probably
the only ones who can plan on being home for the
holidays 
 but both showed that they won?t be rolling
down for the others trying to earn postseason berths.

As for the Cats, it?s nice to be back above .500 and
at 2-2 in league play. We need to come out and put EMU
away early on Friday to get that fifth win before our
final four Big Ten games. None are sure wins, but none
are sure defeats either. If C.J. and the offense can
stay hot, you have to think NU has a decent chance to
go bowling this year. But for now, it?s a happy
homecoming for the folks in Evanston with a thrilling
rally to wipe away the memories of last year?s bitter
collapse.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Sun Oct 14 01:18:13 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct 14 01:11:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
Message-ID: <bea.1d670275.34430ea5@aol.com>

It's not really a 'focus on the negative' as much as it is a focus on  
reality.  GREG COLBY continues to give up yardage (and points) at an  alarming rate. 
 Today's 586 yards and 48 points brought GREG COLBY to 2,953  yards (an 
average of 422 per game) and 226 points against (an average of 32.3 a  game).  This 
digs a TREMENDOUS hole every week that the offense has to dig  itself out of. 
 
 
In his shameful 6 year NU career, GREG COLBY has given up an astounding  
29,213 yards (about 430 per game) and an equally astounding  2,108  points (31 per 
game).  This is unfair to both the offense (which  essentially has to start 
each game 30 or so points down) and the defense, which  has talented young men 
that deserve much better direction.  In fact, the  high point of this 
afternoon's game defensively was the sequence of second-half  interceptions, in which 
our defenders' athleticism, character and heart overcame  the moron who was 
ostensibly leading them, and, in effect, took GREG COLBY's  headsets off.
 
If GREG COLBY were a man of character, he would have tendered his  
resignation today.  He's not, of course - our players on BOTH sides of the  ball will 
have to overcome his incompetence for the next 5 games.   That's not being 
negative, just REAL.
 
Chuck Herron  Tech '85
 
PS - Is the Mark Murphy Publicity machine already preparing press  releases 
for the Purdue game - when GREG COLBY will probably hit the 30,000 yard  mark 
(in only his sixth season !) ?
 



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 14 02:50:14 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Oct 14 02:42:49 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <bea.1d670275.34430ea5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <130000.71176.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I think we're mixing three issues into one here.

The initial comment was that NU was getting lucky with
these late-minute wins. I do disagree with that. Once
or twice is luck. Our record in close games and
overtime contests since the early 1990s show much more
than luck. And I can see why some would be getting
sick of hearing that the Cats got lucky again.

Are we playing with fire? Yes. But that also falls on
the offense. Defensive woes aside, we should have
buried Minnesota early this week, just as we should
have buried Duke early. In both games we moved down
the field and failed to capitalize multiple times in
the red zone. And vs. Michigan, the O gave it away.

Finally, I can't and won't argue the Greg Colby issue
(though I might not go so far to question the guy's
integrity ... just his coaching). He needs to go. It
was pretty clear today that the defensive plays being
made are being in spite of the game plan on D ... not
because of it. McGee is showing signs of progress (he
found the chapter on screen passes ... now he needs to
research red zone success:) ) as a young OC. 

Colby has not shown signs of progress and we need a
new direction on defense. Between McManis and Wootten,
we have some atheltic talent we have not had in a few
years to try new schemes for pressure. 

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

--- CHerron604@aol.com wrote:

> It's not really a 'focus on the negative' as much as
> it is a focus on  
> reality.  GREG COLBY continues to give up yardage
> (and points) at an  alarming rate. 
>  Today's 586 yards and 48 points brought GREG COLBY
> to 2,953  yards (an 
> average of 422 per game) and 226 points against (an
> average of 32.3 a  game).  This 
> digs a TREMENDOUS hole every week that the offense
> has to dig  itself out of. 
>  
>  
> In his shameful 6 year NU career, GREG COLBY has
> given up an astounding  
> 29,213 yards (about 430 per game) and an equally
> astounding  2,108  points (31 per 
> game).  This is unfair to both the offense (which 
> essentially has to start 
> each game 30 or so points down) and the defense,
> which  has talented young men 
> that deserve much better direction.  In fact, the 
> high point of this 
> afternoon's game defensively was the sequence of
> second-half  interceptions, in which 
> our defenders' athleticism, character and heart
> overcame  the moron who was 
> ostensibly leading them, and, in effect, took GREG
> COLBY's  headsets off.
>  
> If GREG COLBY were a man of character, he would have
> tendered his  
> resignation today.  He's not, of course - our
> players on BOTH sides of the  ball will 
> have to overcome his incompetence for the next 5
> games.   That's not being 
> negative, just REAL.
>  
> Chuck Herron  Tech '85
>  
> PS - Is the Mark Murphy Publicity machine already
> preparing press  releases 
> for the Purdue game - when GREG COLBY will probably
> hit the 30,000 yard  mark 
> (in only his sixth season !) ?
>  
> 
> 
> 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 14 03:09:15 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Oct 14 03:01:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: WILDCAT WRAP: Northwestern 49, Minnesota 48 (2OT)
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After reading through the messages, a couple
corrections to my chicken scratch:) ...

* I guess it was a pooch kick to start the second half
and not just a bad kick out of bounds like the last
one. Missed that after the NUMBalum halftime. Sorry. I
guess it explains why we didn't go onsides after the
second half scores.

* Also, I forgot that it was a missed FG and not
really fourth down that stopped Minny on their last
drive in regulation. Not a good day for the kickers.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Oct 14 05:00:16 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Oct 14 04:54:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Hittin' on Colby
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Yes, Greg Colby's numbers are dreadful, and no one will be sobbing if 
someone else is doing his job next season.  But remember that Casey Stengel 
lost 120 games with the '62 Mets because all of a sudden he had to play Marv 
Thronberry and Choo Choo Coleman instead of Mickey Mantle and Elston Howard. 
Our D did pull off a couple of athletic plays yesterday that won the game, 
but they don't have enough athletic talent by big time college football 
standards to do that enough, especially the defensive line.  I cannot recall 
once when Cory Wooten has stayed in a quarterback's face all game the way 
quality defensive ends often do, and our defensive tackles very seldom 
collapse the pocket.  Our defense is eminently blockable, and we miss a lot 
of tackles the way Fitz the player rarely did.  Yes, technique and schemes 
are in the equation, and it may be that there is a Coach Robert E. Lee out 
there who can get more out of the defense we have now.  Ultimately, though, 
we need more speed, strength, quickness, and athleticism.  Even if Colby is 
as incompetent as you say, he doesn't deserve the character assassination. 

From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Sun Oct 14 07:17:32 2007
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct 14 07:11:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
Message-ID: <cba.1ccdeac6.344362dc@aol.com>

After watching Indiana and Illinois struggle yesterday I am beginning to  
think the rest of the games can be won. But then again Illinois and Indiana will  
both score on our defense. Just as long as C.J. arms doesn't fall off we may 
be  ok. 
Any word on Sutton? (Not that we try and run  anymore)



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From kmaresco at covlife.org  Sun Oct 14 07:50:10 2007
From: kmaresco at covlife.org (Kenneth Maresco)
Date: Sun Oct 14 07:43:21 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
Message-ID: <C33788C2.1B247%kmaresco@covlife.org>

Looking at how Michigan State handled Indiana, one would think, would give
us hope for our remaining games. But the way Michigan State stopped Indiana
was not through their defense, but the old fashioned way, by keeping the O
off the field. With their ball control, they had possession for close to 41
minutes. 

Without Sutton, I am not confident we can control the game the way we need
to, to win more easily against the weaker teams. Our D makes even weak
offenses look like teams of all Americans!

Don't get me wrong, I love CJ's passing and without a doubt he has kept us
in these last two games. But I think we must get a D and/or a running game
to win more easily, or consistently. I believe we have a shot at every game
moving forward, and I also believe we can lose every game moving forward.
The D is going to cost us some close games eventually...Pat, please do
something! 

Kenneth 

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 11:34:28 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Oct 14 11:27:20 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Hittin' on Colby
In-Reply-To: <001f01c80e49$0608f170$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
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I would have to completely disagree with your assertion.

While NU has missed a few tackles this year and the DL has had problems
creating pressure up front, I would argue the problem IS with the scheme
(which goes right to Colby himself).  Northwestern doesn't have a complete
lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball as you seem to be
suggesting: just look at the former Wildcat defenders now on NFL squads
(some tarting, nonetheless) that were around under Colby: Castillo, Cofield,
McGarigle.  Oh and guys who were pretty solid like Roach and Durr, and
current players who have shown that they can get the job done like McManis,
Gill, and Wootton.

The fact is that NU may have a lower level of talent than the other Big Ten
schools, but it's not that much lower.  In 95-96, the 'Cats managed to field
a rather solid defense (to say the least) without a slew of 5-star guys - so
it is possible somehow.  The current NU defensive squad is actually pretty
talented - almost every one of the players on that unit have shown that they
have skills.

And there have been rumblings/rumors coming out of people formerly
associated with the program that many players are frustrated with Colby's
defensive schemes (although none of this has been confirmed).  Here are the
characeristics we typically see from Colby's defenses:

- cornerbacks playing about 7-10 yards off the line, leaving a "cushion"
between them and their receiver - meaning they almost always make the
catches on the outside.
- little pressure up front: despite having some real talent on the DL, NU
has almost never been able to get to the QB consistently - which is one
thing that would effectively counter a big time passing attack.
- soft coverage: NU goes into zone coverage quite often, leaving a lot of
guys open to make the catch - just look at games like Duke where their
unheralded QB completed 15 straight passes at one point.

Missing tackles is one thing, but consistent defensive failure (despite
having at least a decent talent level) is another - and it has to point to
the overall scheme.

I'm not advocating firing Colby this moment, but after the season Fitz needs
to take a good hard look at his staff and do something to change things up.
As such a solid defensive player, I can't imagine Fitz is happy with what he
has seen the past couple games or going all the way back to his days as the
LB coach.

Jonathan


On 10/14/07, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Yes, Greg Colby's numbers are dreadful, and no one will be sobbing if
> someone else is doing his job next season.  But remember that Casey
> Stengel
> lost 120 games with the '62 Mets because all of a sudden he had to play
> Marv
> Thronberry and Choo Choo Coleman instead of Mickey Mantle and Elston
> Howard.
> Our D did pull off a couple of athletic plays yesterday that won the game,
> but they don't have enough athletic talent by big time college football
> standards to do that enough, especially the defensive line.  I cannot
> recall
> once when Cory Wooten has stayed in a quarterback's face all game the way
> quality defensive ends often do, and our defensive tackles very seldom
> collapse the pocket.  Our defense is eminently blockable, and we miss a
> lot
> of tackles the way Fitz the player rarely did.  Yes, technique and schemes
> are in the equation, and it may be that there is a Coach Robert E. Lee out
> there who can get more out of the defense we have now.  Ultimately,
> though,
> we need more speed, strength, quickness, and athleticism.  Even if Colby
> is
> as incompetent as you say, he doesn't deserve the character assassination.
>
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 11:39:32 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Oct 14 11:32:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <cba.1ccdeac6.344362dc@aol.com>
References: <cba.1ccdeac6.344362dc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270710140939n6bb8bd4fi7fc2d2c8ad9aa20b@mail.gmail.com>

Sutton was still out and did not dress today.  I would imagine that it is
likely he will be out for the year like some recent reports have indicated.
Even so, NU is not in that bad of shape as Conteh has shown he is more than
capable (averaged 5.8 yds/carry against Minnesota), and Roberson adds a nice
change of pace (he had 2 TDs).  Obviously, though, NU has gone to a
pass-first offensive scheme - which has worked well the past 2 games.
Anyways, with his high ankle sprain I wouldn't hope to see Sutton out there
real soon.

Jonathan

On 10/14/07, HUDHAIFA3@aol.com <HUDHAIFA3@aol.com> wrote:
>
> After watching Indiana and Illinois struggle yesterday I am beginning to
> think the rest of the games can be won. But then again Illinois and
> Indiana will
> both score on our defense. Just as long as C.J. arms doesn't fall off we
> may
> be  ok.
> Any word on Sutton? (Not that we try and run  anymore)
>
>
>
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Oct 14 11:50:20 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct 14 11:43:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Hittin' on Colby
Message-ID: <c42.1bdee90a.3443a2cc@aol.com>

I am more in the camp that our poor D is more related to talent  than the 
defensive system, though probably likely both--and that Fitz has got to review 
Colbtys performance

Having guys make the NFL (and start) doesn't necessarily tell you a whole 
lot--All you need is one weak guy (particularly in the secondary),for a good 
offesnse to be able exploit him--When you watch the other college games, you 
realize how important speed is, and that the teams that don't have it in the 
defense  do the poorest on D--It always seems that we are missing speed for at least 
one of the 4 spots at DB/safety--

Though having said that, someone needs to take a hard look at why we seem to 
get burnt at the end the half as many times as we do--going 60 -70 yards 
against us in a minute or so, seems like a cakewalk for our opponents--I do think 
that we go into a prevent too early, and then seem to abandon it ---So Colby 
should be called to task on his approach-

-But I also feel that in addition to lack of speed, we seem to lack depth as 
well--and as any coach will tell you, the defense gets more tired than the 
offense when on the field, so not being able to use a lot of subs  hurts us as 
well

Harry


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From mtl96 at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 14 11:53:10 2007
From: mtl96 at yahoo.com (Michael Lawton)
Date: Sun Oct 14 11:45:42 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270710140939n6bb8bd4fi7fc2d2c8ad9aa20b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <681411.89244.qm@web61118.mail.yahoo.com>

Mark Murphy said yesterday that Sutton is going to try
to practice this week. If all goes ok, he MAY play vs.
EMU. Otherwise, they'll hold him out until Purdue.

The chance of him being granted a medical redshirt is
slim since the NCAA doctors generally don't give out
shirts for an ankle sprain. Therefore, since a
redshirt is not a sure thing, he's going to try to
play the last four games of this year and hopefully a
bowl.

--- Jonathan Hodges <jonathanwhodges@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sutton was still out and did not dress today.  I
> would imagine that it is
> likely he will be out for the year like some recent
> reports have indicated.
> Even so, NU is not in that bad of shape as Conteh
> has shown he is more than
> capable (averaged 5.8 yds/carry against Minnesota),
> and Roberson adds a nice
> change of pace (he had 2 TDs).  Obviously, though,
> NU has gone to a
> pass-first offensive scheme - which has worked well
> the past 2 games.
> Anyways, with his high ankle sprain I wouldn't hope
> to see Sutton out there
> real soon.
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> On 10/14/07, HUDHAIFA3@aol.com <HUDHAIFA3@aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > After watching Indiana and Illinois struggle
> yesterday I am beginning to
> > think the rest of the games can be won. But then
> again Illinois and
> > Indiana will
> > both score on our defense. Just as long as C.J.
> arms doesn't fall off we
> > may
> > be  ok.
> > Any word on Sutton? (Not that we try and run 
> anymore)
> >
> >
> >
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> 
> 
> 
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Oct 14 11:56:39 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct 14 11:50:19 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
Message-ID: <c9a.1d17b6a3.3443a447@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/14/2007 9:53:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
mtl96@yahoo.com writes:

> Mark Murphy said yesterday that Sutton is going to try
> to practice this week. If all goes ok, he MAY play vs.
> EMU. Otherwise, they'll hold him out until Purdue.
> 
> The chance of him being granted a medical redshirt is
> slim since the NCAA doctors generally don't give out
> shirts for an ankle sprain. Therefore, since a
> redshirt is not a sure thing, he's going to try to
> play the last four games of this year and hopefully a
> bowl.
> 

If you buy my thoughts on depth and fatigue on D, then having Sutton play 
should help NU with ball control and thus would be  a big plus for the D

Harry


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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Oct 14 12:19:04 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Oct 14 12:12:49 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Hittin' on Colby
References: <bea.1d670275.34430ea5@aol.com>
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<While NU has missed a few tackles this year

It's missed a lot more than a few.

< and the DL has had problems creating pressure up front

They have created precious little pressure up front.  Even blitzes don't work because the front four does not penetrate well.

< I would argue the problem IS with the scheme

THE problem or A problem?

<Northwestern doesn't have a complete lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball as you seem to be suggesting

I didn't say that.  I here cut-and-paste what I did say:  "they don't have enough athletic talent by big time college football 
standards."  I'll stand by that statement.  If Corey Wooten, for example, was a stud, he would be harrassing quarterbacks in spite of the defensive scheme.  The fact is that he gets blocked almost every time, and it doesn't take two guys to do it.

< just look at the former Wildcat defenders now on NFL squads

According to http://www.nflplayers.com/players/main.aspx there are 8 currently active, few of whom are starters.  By comparision,  Minnesota has 9, Indiana 10, Illinois 19, Michigan State 20, Iowa and Purdue 23, Wisconsin 29, Penn State 30, Michigan 39, and Ohio State 44.  Out of conference with good academic schools:  Harvard 3, Wake Forest and Vanderbilt 8, Pittsburgh 17, Boston College 21, and Stanford 22.  We have one more in the NFL than Northern Illinois and 42 fewer than Miami (FL).

< - cornerbacks playing about 7-10 yards off the line, leaving a "cushion" between them and their receiver - meaning they almost always make the catches on the outside.
< - soft coverage: NU goes into zone coverage quite often, leaving a lot of guys open to make the catch - just look at games like Duke where their unheralded QB completed 15 straight passes at one point.

And as soon as our cornerbacks move up and start getting burned deep, everyone will yell, "Play soft!"  On the other hand, what do we have to lose?  They ought to at least do it sometimes to mix it up.

<I can't imagine Fitz is happy with what he has seen the past couple games or going all the way back to his days as the LB coach. 

You could he wasn't in the post-game interview.
From CHerron604 at aol.com  Sun Oct 14 12:17:13 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct 14 12:13:30 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A good thing to see
Message-ID: <c1f.1f4e6af4.3443a919@aol.com>

Nice to see Jason Wright start for Cleveland in place of the injured Jamal  
Lewis, nice also to see him score a TD against the Dolphins (also since I 
picked  him up this week in Fantasy...)
 
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sun Oct 14 13:35:10 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sun Oct 14 13:27:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <C33788C2.1B247%kmaresco@covlife.org>
References: <C33788C2.1B247%kmaresco@covlife.org>
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NU has obviously transitioned to a pass-first type of offensive scheme (not
quite at the level of Texas Tech/Hawaii, but definitely more than NU fans
are used to).  I am not sure if this is because of Sutton's injury or
because that is what the OL looks to be better suited for.  In any case,
Northwestern is doing a pretty good job in the ball control department, here
is the stat that tells the story:

Time of Possession: Northwestern #9 nationally, 32:27/game

I would say that is pretty good ball control.  The obvious deficiency is
that if the offense is not in sync and we see some incompletions or sacks
(which the OL has done a good job of stopping the last 2 weeks), then the
drive is up in smoke quickly.  BUT, NU has done a good job with mixing up
the pass/run, so credit McGee with finally putting together a more balanced
game plan that has seen NU score 40+ points in back-to-back games for the
first time since 2000.

The most disheartening part is the defense, which is a big liability and has
been discussed at length.  There's no pass rush, and we saw the past 2 games
that they can't stop the rush when the opposition spreads the field.  I hope
some kind of change is in store.

Jonathan

On 10/14/07, Kenneth Maresco <kmaresco@covlife.org> wrote:
>
> Looking at how Michigan State handled Indiana, one would think, would give
> us hope for our remaining games. But the way Michigan State stopped
> Indiana
> was not through their defense, but the old fashioned way, by keeping the O
> off the field. With their ball control, they had possession for close to
> 41
> minutes.
>
> Without Sutton, I am not confident we can control the game the way we need
> to, to win more easily against the weaker teams. Our D makes even weak
> offenses look like teams of all Americans!
>
> Don't get me wrong, I love CJ's passing and without a doubt he has kept us
> in these last two games. But I think we must get a D and/or a running game
> to win more easily, or consistently. I believe we have a shot at every
> game
> moving forward, and I also believe we can lose every game moving forward.
> The D is going to cost us some close games eventually...Pat, please do
> something!
>
> Kenneth
>
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Sun Oct 14 15:14:17 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Sun Oct 14 15:08:42 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Fw: Minnesota-Northwestern Article 10/14/07
Message-ID: <20071014.151417.11398.0@webmail08.dca.untd.com>

I just read the coverage online from the Pioneer Press in Minnesota and had to send this off to the writer:

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Mr. Powers-
As a Northwestern alum and fan, I take great exception to your comment:

"A Big Ten victory away from home, even if it's against Northwestern, is a
big deal. For almost three quarters, the Gophers appeared to be approaching
the on-ramp of the highway to Pasadena. They ended up on the road to ruin. "

Since 1995, the Wildcats are no longer the doormat of the Big Ten.  In fact,
since Randy Walker came to NU in 1999, several teams have a much worse
conference record than NU, including your Gophers.  Randy had the team
solidly middle of the conference while Brett Basenez was QB (often with a
.500 or better record in conference) and had great plans for last season
before passing away unexpectedly.  Pat Fitzgerald has certainly had some
growing pains (and will probably have more) as a head coach and has made his
share of bone-headed, Monday morning QB calls so far, but there is no call
for that comment.  Northwestern has the third best record in the nation in
games decided by less than seven points since 2004.  That speaks to
character and belief, not luck.  Although the football program doesn't get
the best recruits, they do get the ones who buy into the system and work to
play hard in the best conference in the nation and graduate from one of the
top universities in the country.

Frankly, I could understand that comment in conjunction with our basketball
program.

Yours truly,
Maureen Linhardt

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 14 16:03:33 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Oct 14 15:56:05 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Hittin' on Colby
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270710140934tace5068gd3206751ed01138@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44157.3674.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> While NU has missed a few tackles this year and the
> DL has had problems
> creating pressure up front, I would argue the
> problem IS with the scheme

I would agree. Though we could tackle better, too.:)

> (which goes right to Colby himself).  Northwestern
> doesn't have a complete
> lack of talent on the defensive side of the ball as
> you seem to be
> suggesting: just look at the former Wildcat
> defenders now on NFL squads

True - we've had our share of good individual players
on D, most notably Napo and Castillo. However, our
best defense was in 1995 and the talent level there
was pretty low with no one really making much NFL
noise.

That just goes to show how much the scheme and
coaching can make in college. NU will never have the
talent of other league teams in terms of NFL talent.
That's just something fans and coaches have to accept.
It's the same way on offense.

So what do you do? You play better as a team than
anyone else in the league. You try innovative schemes.
You use your IQ advantage over the rest of the
conference. And you never give up.

That's where I'm coming down on Colby from. We have
some good individual talent out there with Wootten and
McManis. We've had that before -- not often, but it
has happened. What Colby has failed to do is try some
new approaches to maximize our talent, to get these
defenders to play as a team to scrap what obviously is
not working and look for something new.

Northwestern has always been out-talented in league
play. But we've overcome that with offensive coaching
and we overcame that on defense in 1995 with creative
blitz schemes, tough/together line play and smart
linebackers who were coaches on the field.

There are coaches out there who can do that no matter
what the talent level in Evanston is. Colby has not
shown that he is one of them and Fitz needs to find
someone else who can rise to the challenge.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 14 19:30:51 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Oct 14 19:23:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings
Message-ID: <438121.30251.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

How did everyone survive another wild week of college
action? Let's get to the standings. Week 8 slate
coming up next, but first, the honor roll ...

UPSET SPECIALS
==============
* IOWA over Illinois: Picked by Kelly, Bob, Brian,
Alan, Mike and John.

* KENTUCKY over Louisiana State: Ace and Rob

UNANIMOUS PICKS
===============
* OHIO STATE over Kent State

And now to the big board. This is the latest I can
remember being on top this deep into the season. Am I
unproven and waiting to fall like OSU this year ... or
can I run the table like OSU last year (well, before
the bowl game:) ).

                  ----- RECORD ----  - UPSET -  TOTAL
RK  NAME          WK 7  OVERL  PCT.  WK 7 OVRL  WEEKS
======================================================
 1) S. Truog       7-3  63-22  .741    0    1    7
 2) M. Zilka       ---  55-20  .733    0    1    6
 3) T. McAdams     8-2  61-24  .718    0    0    7
 3) K. Sevilla     8-2  61-24  .718    1    6    7
 3) E. Steffe      5-5  61-24  .718    0    1    7
 6) B. Wilson      6-4  60-25  .706    0    4    7
 6) B. Winkler     8-2  60-25  .706    1    3    8
 8) J. Wall        5-5  49-21  .700    0    2    6
 9) C. Herron      6-4  59-26  .694    0    0    7
10) P. Wolfe       5-5  45-20  .692    0    3    5
11) B. Taylor      ---  41-19  .683    0    1    5
12) J. Bendat      6-4  58-27  .682    0    3    7
12) P. Groves      5-5  58-27  .682    0    4    7
14) A. Wolfson     6-4  57-28  .671    1    2    7
15) I. Embrekts    5-5  56-29  .659    0    0    7
16) M. Ament       4-6  39-21  .650    0    2    5
17) R. Stahl       7-3  55-30  .647    1    4    7
18) J. Leonard     4-6  35-20  .636    0    3    5
19) J. Labbe       6-4  54-31  .635    1    1    7
20) B. Waldele     7-3  43-27  .614    1    2    6
21) C. Bailey      5-5  52-33  .612    0    1    7
21) J. Hodges      5-5  52-33  .612    0    2    7
21) S. Wolfson     5-5  52-33  .612    0    4    7
24) A. McInturff   6-4  46-39  .541    1    4    7

-- NOT ELIGIBLE AT THIS TIME --
xx) C. Miller      ---  14- 1  .933    0    1    1
xx) J. Hawkins     ---  12- 3  .800    0    1    1
xx) K. Maresco     5-5  39-16  .709    0    0    4
xx) M. Barnard     ---  33-17  .660    0    1    4
xx) Syd. Wolfson   ---  15-10  .600    0    3    2
xx) M. Whelan      7-3  23-17  .575    1    1    4
xx) C. Rossi       4-6  23-22  .511    0    1    4

Week 8 lineup on the way ...

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Sun Oct 14 19:57:14 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Sun Oct 14 19:52:17 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Hittin' on Colby
Message-ID: <20071014.195714.24530.0@webmail19.dca.untd.com>

I disagree with the lack of depth comment.  I actually think we HAVE depth @ DL and LB but we don't use it properly.  Watching us sub EVERY play at DL I think is hurting us.  For example, you have four guys up front who just made a decent play - maybe defended a run for only a 1 yard game (SUCCESS!) then three come out, the one that stayed in moves to a different spot on the line and they line up again.  This time, oh, a big hole up the middle!  CRAP!  I think the line is lacking rhythm by the lack of consistency in playing an entire series.  Watch and you'll see Kevin Mims lined up at DE on 1st down, out on 2nd down, and DT (!!) on 3rd down (and on third, they blow a big hole up the middle, surprise, surprise!).  That speaks to a misuse of talent and poor scheme to me.

Maureen Linhardt
Tech 93

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-But I also feel that in addition to lack of speed, we seem to lack depth as 
well--and as any coach will tell you, the defense gets more tired than the 
offense when on the field, so not being able to use a lot of subs  hurts us as 
well

Harry


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 14 20:04:21 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Oct 14 19:56:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 8
Message-ID: <813377.72425.qm@web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

With so many Big Ten games this week thanks to
megabyes and cupcake fillers ... plus an interesting
grouping of national games, we have a jam packed
lineup for week 8.

We also have an early deadline with the game at
Rutgers under the lights Thursday. So get those picks
in early!

PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 8
######################
Name: 

BIG TEN
=======
Game  1: Michigan @ Illinois
Winner : 

Game  2: Penn State @ Indiana
Winner : 

Game  3: Iowa @ Purdue
Winner : 

Game  4: Michigan State @ Ohio State
Winner : 

Game  5: North Dakota St. @ Minnesota
Winner : 

Game  6: Northern Illinois @ Wisconsin
Winner : 

NATIONAL
========
Game  7: South Florida @ Rutgers
Winner : 

Game  8: Florida @ Kentucky
Winner : 

Game  9: Auburn @ Louisiana State
Winner : 

Game 10: Tennessee @ Alabama 
Winner : 

Game 11: Southern Cal @ Notre Dame
Winner : 

Game 12: California @ UCLA
Winner : 

Game 13: Texas Tech @ Missouri
Winner : 

Game 14: Miami (FL) @ Florida State
Winner : 

Game 15: Virginia @ Maryland
Winner : 

MY PICKS
========
* MICHIGAN 27, Illinois 23 - The Illini were probably
looking ahead to this game in Iowa City and they'll
make it a great game ... but the Wolverines are on a
mission. I reserve the right to change later in the
week if Hart's out, though.:)

* PENN STATE 34, Indiana 20 - Could be a trap game if
the Lions look ahead to the Bucks, but they wake up in
the second half.

* PURDUE 28, Iowa 17 - The Boilers need a wake up call
- Iowa won't be easy, but if Purdue doesn't win here,
their season could collapse.

* OHIO STATE 31, Michigan State 13 - No repeat of 1998
here as the Bucks jump out early and sit on Sparty.

* MINNESOTA 48, ND State 14 - Gophers take out their
frustrations.

* WISCONSIN 41, Northern Illinois 21 - Bucky needs a
win and NIU fades in the second half.

* RUTGERS 24, South Florida 21 - Yeah, everyone's
pointing to this and it's almost too easy of an upset
to pick with USF under pressure at #2. But in reality,
this is really their last hurdle ... so for the sake
of the BCS, the Knights grind one out under the
lights.

* FLORIDA 21, Kentucky 17 - A week ago, I'd say Gators
roll ... but the Cats impressed me. Still, I can't see
a 3-loss Florida team except in my dreams.

* LSU 28, Auburn 9 - The battle of the Tigers goes to
an angry LSU under the lights in Baton Rouge. Plus,
they only fell to #4 in the BCS, so the title is still
well within reach.

* ALABAMA 24, Tennessee 21 - Things are going too well
for the Vols right now and it's time for a letdown -
Saban complies at home.

* USC 35, Notre Dame 0 - I don't care how banged up
the Trojans are or how ND plays better against the Pac
10 than the Big Ten lately ... this one gets ugly
early.

* CALIFORNIA 27, UCLA 23 - The Bruins are the west
coast Michigan ... awful out of conference but somehow
unbeaten within it ... until now.

* MISSOURI 42, Texas Tech 38 - Should be a barnburner
and the Tigers know they can't drop another ... so
they eke this one out.

* FLORIDA STATE 3, Miami 2 - These two used to be
playing as 1 vs. 2 in the nation ... now they're not
even in the top two of their own state. The last few
have been U-G-L-Y ... go with the Noles at home.

* MARYLAND 28, Virginia 21 - The clock strikes
midnight for the Cavs in Maryland.

And off the board ...

* NORTHWESTERN 48, Eastern Michigan 28 - The Cats
can't blow this one and pull away in the second half
thanks to another great performance by Bacher.

Remember, picks in by THURSDAY kickoff.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Oct 15 07:01:34 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Oct 15 06:57:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh!  BCS Poll Warnings
Message-ID: <d26.15f1356b.3444b09e@aol.com>

In today's NY TIMES (Roy:  Don't have the URL address), there is an  article 
on the first BCS Poll Standings entitled "Topsy-Turvy Season Faces More  
Flips".  The writer, Pete Thamel, comments a couple of times on the low  esteem in 
which Big Ten is held this year, and states that "[i]f OSU wins out  and plays 
for national title, it is unlikely that a Big Ten team will land in  the Rose 
Bowl."   He then goes on to state that if U of Mich finishes  9-3 (i.e., with 
loss to Buckeyes in final game of season), "there is little  chance they 
would be in the top 14" and even less chance for another BT team to  sneak in.
 
Thus, the 'Cats chances of going bowling may depend on winning a minimum of  
5 out of next 6 games, so we can finish at 8-4.  Otherwise, unless one of  the 
teams in front of us collapses (IU?), there may not be enough slots  left.  I 
am not even counting MSU in this equation, since we beat them,  although I 
have enough "faith" in bowl selection committees, that I am sure  Sparty would 
be taken over us, if we finish with similar records (and their  overall record 
is better than ours at the moment).
 
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From mhrjgscott at aol.com  Mon Oct 15 07:37:35 2007
From: mhrjgscott at aol.com (mhrjgscott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Oct 15 07:33:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh!  BCS Poll Warnings
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Yeah but what does the NY Times know about fotball :p

Check out Dowd's guest columnist our own Steven Colbert to get a take on the times.


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Sent: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 8:01 am
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings




In today's NY TIMES (Roy:  Don't have the URL address), there is an  article 
on the first BCS Poll Standings entitled "Topsy-Turvy Season Faces More  
Flips".  The writer, Pete Thamel, comments a couple of times on the low  esteem 
in 
which Big Ten is held this year, and states that "[i]f OSU wins out  and plays 
for national title, it is unlikely that a Big Ten team will land in  the Rose 
Bowl."   He then goes on to state that if U of Mich finishes  9-3 (i.e., with 
loss to Buckeyes in final game of season), "there is little  chance they 
would be in the top 14" and even less chance for another BT team to  sneak in.
 
Thus, the 'Cats chances of going bowling may depend on winning a minimum of  
5 out of next 6 games, so we can finish at 8-4.  Otherwise, unless one of  the 
teams in front of us collapses (IU?), there may not be enough slots  left.  I 
am not even counting MSU in this equation, since we beat them,  although I 
have enough "faith" in bowl selection committees, that I am sure  Sparty would 
be taken over us, if we finish with similar records (and their  overall record 
is better than ours at the moment).
 
Paul Levinson



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 15 08:08:20 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Oct 15 08:00:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh!  BCS Poll Warnings
In-Reply-To: <8C9DD3F4C2AD62F-884-2A96@WEBMAIL-DC03.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <809566.44293.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Good points and I was a bit surprised and concerned
when the first BCS came out yesterday and the Big Ten
had only one team in the top 20, period. It goes to
show what damage the early couple weeks and "down
year" talk did for the league, unfortunately. Because
really, PSU, Illinois, Michigan and OSU should all be
top 25 teams right now.

The only good things, I guess, are that a lot of the
teams ahead of us play each other and a lot of them
are SEC schools - and the BCS can only take two of
those.

We'll see what happens after a couple more wild weeks.
But yeah, this could be a snag in bowl plans for a few
Big Ten teams.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 08:23:50 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Oct 15 08:17:20 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
In-Reply-To: <809566.44293.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Indeed, there is a lot of football to be played.  But the fact is that as of
right now it looks like there may very well be 9 Big Ten teams bowl eligible
by the end of the year.  I would say that if NU can reach 7-5 they will have
a strong chance of getting into one of the guaranteed 7 bowl slots for Big
Ten teams.  Last year, I believe every 7-5 (or higher) team got a bowl
berth, and although parity/upsets are reigning this year, I would imagine
that a Big Ten team with a winning record would have a very good chance of
getting into a bowl.  6-6, though, would almost definitely leave NU out in
the cold since all teams with a winning record must be selected before a 6-6
team (and that's only when a conference tie-in is available).

In any case there is a long way to go, although every game left on the
'Cats' schedule is "win-able," although none of them (outside of EMU) are
going to be easy (and even that isn't going to be a cakewalk).  Given what
we've seen this year around the country, you just never know.

Jonathan

On 10/15/07, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Good points and I was a bit surprised and concerned
> when the first BCS came out yesterday and the Big Ten
> had only one team in the top 20, period. It goes to
> show what damage the early couple weeks and "down
> year" talk did for the league, unfortunately. Because
> really, PSU, Illinois, Michigan and OSU should all be
> top 25 teams right now.
>
> The only good things, I guess, are that a lot of the
> teams ahead of us play each other and a lot of them
> are SEC schools - and the BCS can only take two of
> those.
>
> We'll see what happens after a couple more wild weeks.
> But yeah, this could be a snag in bowl plans for a few
> Big Ten teams.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
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> sjtruog@yahoo.com
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>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 15 13:59:53 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Oct 15 13:52:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270710150623nbe48c0ftb66b56f8b5c0d4cb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <272137.74629.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yup - it goes to show why having the Big Ten do well
in September may be important later on.:)

For example, yesterday when FOX unveilled the BCS
standings, cranky ole' southerner Jimmy Johnson moaned
about how OSU has no challenges left and by far the
easiest road to the title game.

I can see bellyachin' about their schedule so far, but
their road left includes visits to PSU and Michigan
and the Illini and Badgers at home. That's about as
challenging of a final four games as you'll find in
the country - all teams 5-2 and top 25 caliber. ASU
may have it worse with Cal, Oregon, UCLA and USC in
their next four and Florida has three big road games
left. But that's about it.

But we lost respect in September and it's killing us
now. Ugh! I'd hate to see that cost us or Indiana a
bowl trip. We'll see how it shakes out.

I still think we'll get two BCS teams though. Gotta
home for Big East upsets!:) Having Texas lose again
wouldn't hurt either as they could kind of lurk there
and rise without the title game or another loss.

In league play, I think Iowa and MSU get worn down by
tough second half schedules and join Minnesota on the
sidelines. If we can beat EMU, that makes those
Indiana and Purdue games huge for bowl position. 

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 14:10:31 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Oct 15 14:03:19 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
In-Reply-To: <272137.74629.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <fcb3ee270710150623nbe48c0ftb66b56f8b5c0d4cb@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm also starting to believe that the lack of BTN distribution is really
starting to kill the Big Ten teams in terms of national attention.  If NU's
last 2 games were on an ESPN affiliated network you bet more highlights
would have been shown across the country.  But really, we'd be seeing many
more votes for Big Ten teams in the polls - instead many of the pollsters
are left in the dark and we don't see too many plays in the national
highlight reels (which probably have more impact than you would think/hope).

Of NU's first 9 games this year 7 have been on the BTN, 1 on ESPN, and 1 on
ESPNU (who has distribution almost as pathetic as the BTN).  And the final 3
games look BTN-bound as well.  For those who can't make it to the games that
equals a lot of TV sets tuned to other games.

Jonathan

On 10/15/07, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Yup - it goes to show why having the Big Ten do well
> in September may be important later on.:)
>
> For example, yesterday when FOX unveilled the BCS
> standings, cranky ole' southerner Jimmy Johnson moaned
> about how OSU has no challenges left and by far the
> easiest road to the title game.
>
> I can see bellyachin' about their schedule so far, but
> their road left includes visits to PSU and Michigan
> and the Illini and Badgers at home. That's about as
> challenging of a final four games as you'll find in
> the country - all teams 5-2 and top 25 caliber. ASU
> may have it worse with Cal, Oregon, UCLA and USC in
> their next four and Florida has three big road games
> left. But that's about it.
>
> But we lost respect in September and it's killing us
> now. Ugh! I'd hate to see that cost us or Indiana a
> bowl trip. We'll see how it shakes out.
>
> I still think we'll get two BCS teams though. Gotta
> home for Big East upsets!:) Having Texas lose again
> wouldn't hurt either as they could kind of lurk there
> and rise without the title game or another loss.
>
> In league play, I think Iowa and MSU get worn down by
> tough second half schedules and join Minnesota on the
> sidelines. If we can beat EMU, that makes those
> Indiana and Purdue games huge for bowl position.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Oct 15 14:19:59 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Oct 15 14:13:46 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
References: <272137.74629.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c80f60$612411d0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Ohio State should be extremely worried about playing Penn State right now, 
especially in State College.  If we're to make a bowl, we're just going to 
have to win out.  If we don't get in, damn Duke for all eternity. 

From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Mon Oct 15 14:52:30 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Oct 15 14:45:52 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
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Jonathan,

Great point!

It's not just NU, BTW.  Same thing is happening here in Michigan to Michigan
(one of those that we'd like to see get a BCS bowl and beat OSU).

I just talked with a couple of "casual" college football fans who said that
they normally are getting excited about bowl prospects for Michigan around
now, but there has been so little Michigan football on the TV combined with
their early season stumbles, that these guys have turned their attention to
the Red Wings.  At least they are on basic cable.

Jeff 

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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jonathan Hodges
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:11 PM
To: SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Cc: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings

I'm also starting to believe that the lack of BTN distribution is really
starting to kill the Big Ten teams in terms of national attention.  If NU's
last 2 games were on an ESPN affiliated network you bet more highlights would
have been shown across the country.  But really, we'd be seeing many more
votes for Big Ten teams in the polls - instead many of the pollsters are left
in the dark and we don't see too many plays in the national highlight reels
(which probably have more impact than you would think/hope).

Of NU's first 9 games this year 7 have been on the BTN, 1 on ESPN, and 1 on
ESPNU (who has distribution almost as pathetic as the BTN).  And the final 3
games look BTN-bound as well.  For those who can't make it to the games that
equals a lot of TV sets tuned to other games.

Jonathan

On 10/15/07, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Yup - it goes to show why having the Big Ten do well in September may 
> be important later on.:)
>
> For example, yesterday when FOX unveilled the BCS standings, cranky 
> ole' southerner Jimmy Johnson moaned about how OSU has no challenges 
> left and by far the easiest road to the title game.
>
> I can see bellyachin' about their schedule so far, but their road left 
> includes visits to PSU and Michigan and the Illini and Badgers at 
> home. That's about as challenging of a final four games as you'll find 
> in the country - all teams 5-2 and top 25 caliber. ASU may have it 
> worse with Cal, Oregon, UCLA and USC in their next four and Florida 
> has three big road games left. But that's about it.
>
> But we lost respect in September and it's killing us now. Ugh! I'd 
> hate to see that cost us or Indiana a bowl trip. We'll see how it 
> shakes out.
>
> I still think we'll get two BCS teams though. Gotta home for Big East 
> upsets!:) Having Texas lose again wouldn't hurt either as they could 
> kind of lurk there and rise without the title game or another loss.
>
> In league play, I think Iowa and MSU get worn down by tough second 
> half schedules and join Minnesota on the sidelines. If we can beat 
> EMU, that makes those Indiana and Purdue games huge for bowl position.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
>
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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Mon Oct 15 15:13:51 2007
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Mon Oct 15 15:06:50 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270710151210q6c058ea6p6763cf66f5bce793@mail.gmail.co
 m>
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I don't think it's the BTN that's at fault. The fact is that the Big Ten 
doesn't have a single out-of-conference victory against any team receiving 
votes in either major poll. I don't mean just the ranked teams: not even 
the schools getting so much as one point have lost to a Big Ten team. The 
only other conferences for which that's true are the MAC and the Sun Belt. 
What's more, of our seven remaining OOC games (before the bowls), six are 
against MAC teams and one is against North Dakota State. Regardless of the 
network, I'm sure we'd get more coverage if there were something worth 
covering. It's not necessarily our fault that some of our scheduled 
opponents aren't performing all that well, but no rule says that we have to 
schedule the MAC so much.

Meanwhile, our high-profile games have been losses: Michigan loses to 
Appalachian State and Oregon, Illinois loses to Missouri, and most of our 
other conference contenders have lost to one or both of those teams. Plus, 
we snap Duke's losing streak, Iowa blows it against Iowa State, and 
Minnesota loses to both Bowling Green and Florida Atlantic. Yes, other 
conferences have embarrassing losses, but they also have at least one or 
two good wins to balance them out. The Big Ten doesn't; small wonder many 
folks aren't yet impressed.

I'm not saying the Big Ten can't get two BCS teams (most likely scenario 
would be Michigan wins out and Ohio State loses only to Michigan), but I 
can't claim that the conference particularly deserves it this year.


---
Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


From e-west at northwestern.edu  Mon Oct 15 15:29:49 2007
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Mon Oct 15 15:22:50 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20071015152914.034ba618@merle.it.northwestern.edu>

Sorry if this posts twice...

I don't think it's the BTN that's at fault. The fact is that the Big Ten 
doesn't have a single out-of-conference victory against any team receiving 
votes in either major poll. I don't mean just the ranked teams: not even 
the schools getting so much as one point have lost to a Big Ten team. The 
only other conferences for which that's true are the MAC and the Sun Belt. 
What's more, of our seven remaining OOC games (before the bowls), six are 
against MAC teams and one is against North Dakota State. Regardless of the 
network, I'm sure we'd get more coverage if there were something worth 
covering. It's not necessarily our fault that some of our scheduled 
opponents aren't performing all that well, but no rule says that we have to 
schedule the MAC so much.

Meanwhile, our high-profile games have been losses: Michigan loses to 
Appalachian State and Oregon, Illinois loses to Missouri, and most of our 
other conference contenders have lost to one or both of those teams. Plus, 
we snap Duke's losing streak, Iowa blows it against Iowa State, and 
Minnesota loses to both Bowling Green and Florida Atlantic. Yes, other 
conferences have embarrassing losses, but they also have at least one or 
two good wins to balance them out. The Big Ten doesn't; small wonder many 
folks aren't yet impressed.

I'm not saying the Big Ten can't get two BCS teams (most likely scenario 
would be Michigan wins out and Ohio State loses only to Michigan), but I 
can't claim that the conference particularly deserves it this year.


---
Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu


From kmaresco at covlife.org  Mon Oct 15 16:09:01 2007
From: kmaresco at covlife.org (Kenneth Maresco)
Date: Mon Oct 15 16:02:10 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270710141135t5815a515udbe42e83c16ddbfd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C3394F2D.1B275%kmaresco@covlife.org>

I think if we can continue to control the ball like that (#9 in the nation),
we will be fine against Indiana. But we will have to score, score, score.
The sad truth, that we all know is that we have a defense that will keep all
our opponents in every game, and in all likelihood will prevent us from
being one of the top teams in the nation, no matter how good our O gets.

The sad truth going back to Walker days, it is difficult to feel confident
as a Cats fan, until the game is over. Remember UCLA and the Sun Bowl, we
jumped out to a 21-0 lead, and I knew we would give it back. That must be
disheartening as a player. I must confess, though we have had some exciting
finishes...wow, what a run of Quarterbacks...Kustok, Brett, CJ...

Here is a question that I do not know the answer to, but I wonder if you or
Steven would have any thoughts. Who could we possibly get as a DC to replace
Colby. Given our low salaries, and low profile, do we have any great options
at this point, though I think I am at the place where any alternative is a
good one. 
-- 
Kenneth D. Maresco



From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Oct 15 16:39:07 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Oct 15 16:31:52 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <C3394F2D.1B275%kmaresco@covlife.org>
References: <fcb3ee270710141135t5815a515udbe42e83c16ddbfd@mail.gmail.com>
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I think it is a bit premature to begin discussing coaching changes here at
NU (given that the season isn't even close to over), although I think almost
every single Wildcat fan wants to see defensive coaching changes this
offseason.  Given that, the list has to include Ron Vanderlinden (now LB
coach at PSU, although he seems to be happy he was the DC in 95-96), Vince
Okruch (DC following Vanderlinden, who is now on a seemingly mysterious
leave of absence from the DC position at Illinois), and Randy Bates (now LB
coach at NU, formerly DC at Louisiana Tech).  Each of these guys has a
personal connection with Fitz (very important when selecting staff members)
and NU.  Outside of that I have no clue, and a lot depends on connections
with Fitz (which doesn't extend very far since he is still relatively young)
and maybe Mark Murphy (who has a number of connections from his NFL days and
previous AD jobs).

This is purely speculation, though, and for now the job still belongs to
Colby - and should remain so for the rest of the season.  I am proud of the
fact that NU doesn't have knee-jerk reactions by firing coaches and ADs (see
Nebraska) mid-season leaving recruiting and the prospects for the current
season in that wake.

Jonathan

On 10/15/07, Kenneth Maresco <kmaresco@covlife.org> wrote:
>
>  I think if we can continue to control the ball like that (#9 in the
> nation), we will be fine against Indiana. But we will have to score, score,
> score. The sad truth, that we all know is that we have a defense that will
> keep all our opponents in every game, and in all likelihood will prevent us
> from being one of the top teams in the nation, no matter how good our O
> gets.
>
> The sad truth going back to Walker days, it is difficult to feel confident
> as a Cats fan, until the game is over. Remember UCLA and the Sun Bowl, we
> jumped out to a 21-0 lead, and I knew we would give it back. That must be
> disheartening as a player. I must confess, though we have had some exciting
> finishes...wow, what a run of Quarterbacks...Kustok, Brett, CJ...
>
> Here is a question that I do not know the answer to, but I wonder if you
> or Steven would have any thoughts. Who could we possibly get as a DC to
> replace Colby. Given our low salaries, and low profile, do we have any great
> options at this point, though I think I am at the place where any
> alternative is a good one.
> --
> *Kenneth D. Maresco
> *
>
>


-- 
Jonathan W. Hodges
1237 Emerson St Apt 2
Evanston, IL  60201-3577
(847) 736-2449
jonathanwhodges@gmail.com
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Oct 15 17:28:24 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Oct 15 17:28:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <200710152228.l9FMSOC3006630@romaine.tssi.com>

> This is purely speculation, though, and for now the job still belongs to
> Colby - and should remain so for the rest of the season.  I am proud of the
> fact that NU doesn't have knee-jerk reactions by firing coaches and ADs (see
> Nebraska) mid-season leaving recruiting and the prospects for the current
> season in that wake.

Well, the AD is out at Nebraska (one of the local talk radio stations 
is celebrating that by playing "Ding dong, the witch is dead"), but no 
other changes are being made at this time.  Stay tuned, though.

The Huskers, like the Cats are 4-3 at the moment, but with games left
against Texas A&M, Texas, Kansas, K-State and Colorado, I have to say 
that I think Northwestern's bowl chances look a bit brighter than 
Nebraska's.
--
Mike Nolan

From CHerron604 at aol.com  Mon Oct 15 17:57:41 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Oct 15 17:51:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
Message-ID: <d69.14bac8e7.34454a65@aol.com>

A Starting List of some interesting DC Prospects...
 
- Justin Wilcox, DC at Boise State, 231 ypg this year, 14th nationally in  
06, Oregon '99, 30 years old
 
- Bill Young, DC/DL at Kansas, 240 ypg this year, 8th nationally against  the 
run in '05, Oklahoma St '68, 61 years old
 
- Mike Breske, Asst Head/DC/Secondary at Wyoming, 280 ypg this year, 9th  
nationally in '06, South Dakota St '81, 48 years old
 
- Todd Orlando, DC/ILB at Connecticut, 264 ypg this year, 7th nationally in  
2005, Wisconsin '94, 35 years old
 
Anybody else have any names ?
 
PS - When we brought in Colby, we brought in a man with terrible numbers at  
Kent.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 15 18:25:07 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Oct 15 18:17:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20071015144525.03311910@merle.it.northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <247499.52641.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> I don't think it's the BTN that's at fault. The fact
> is that the Big Ten 
> doesn't have a single out-of-conference victory
> against any team receiving 

Excellent point. I've seen plenty of NU highlights on
Sports Center from the BTN. I just think it's the lack
of a big win.

It started with the BCS losses last year ... never
mind that we were actually 2-1 against the SEC in New
Year's Bowls last year. OSU and Michigan's defeats,
coupled with the AppState loss and the lack of a big
win just set us back early.

Tough to say who's at fault for the scheduling. I'm
sure when Notre Dame, Washington, Pitt, Syracuse, etc.
were placed on the schedules they were intended to be
quality opponents.

I know it's tough to get SEC schools on the schedule
(they make our cupcakes look good in NC play, but they
have the brutal league schedule) - so maybe we need to
look eastward. It would be a joke if the Big East got
two BCS teams over us -- maybe it's time we schedule
more games with Rutgers, Cincinnati, etc. to knock the
Big East hype down a bit (though South Florida did win
at Auburn).

> Meanwhile, our high-profile games have been losses:
> Michigan loses to 
> Appalachian State and Oregon, Illinois loses to
> Missouri, and most of our 

That's the big one there. We blew our chances.
Michigan gets smart and runs Hart earlier or the
Illini hang on to the ball and we get more respect.

> I'm not saying the Big Ten can't get two BCS teams
> (most likely scenario 
> would be Michigan wins out and Ohio State loses only
> to Michigan), but I 

Yup - really it's either that or PSU wins out and OSU
wins out aside from PSU (meaning OSU gets the
automatic and PSU is 10-2 with wins over OSU, Wisky
and Purdue down the stretch).

Otherwise we're screwed. Interesting dilemma though -
what if the SEC and Pac 10 fill up so many of those
top 14 or so spots that they need to go beyond those
to fill the BCS? If there's any year it could happen,
this may be it.

It'll also be interesting to watch whether Hawaii gets
in. They haven't been terribly impressive against
so-so foes lately, but most of the teams ahead of them
do face each other.

For us, I think it's those IU and Purdue games - gotta
beat the Hoosiers and Boilers to help our case to be
chosen over them. Of course, we gotta beat EMU first.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Mon Oct 15 18:27:46 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Oct 15 18:21:17 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
Message-ID: <d64.1486220d.34455172@aol.com>

Greg Colby's resume prior to 2002 when we brought him in from Kent...
 
- Greg Colby, DC at Kent, 395 ypg, 90th nationally in 2000, Illinois '75,  49 
years old
 
It would also be interesting to find out what we are paying Colby and Jerry  
Brown...we might be paying them a very competitive salary.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Mon Oct 15 21:58:39 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Mon Oct 15 21:54:50 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Basketball
Message-ID: <c75.1b0078cd.344582df@aol.com>

Just heard on WGN-TV sports that Kevin Coble is taking an indefinite leave  
of absence from the basketball team due to health problems with his  mother.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Oct 16 07:02:25 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Oct 16 06:53:53 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270710151439i78e77619y4fb115cf5d43c4ba@mail.gmail.com>
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Of the three, Randy Bates is more likely to take over if Colby leaves, IMHO.

Vince Okruch was mentioned by the TV guys as the DC for Illinois after their win
over Wisconsin. They seemed to give him credit for setting up Zook's defense in
that game. HOWEVER - he is not listed as a coach - two other assistants are
shown as the interim co-defensive coordinators on the Illinois web site. 

One of Okruch's negatives is the Barnett seemed to blame him for Colorado's
defensive failures when he threw him under the bus. At NU, working with Brown,
the Cats never reached the level of shown in the Vanderlinden era that preceeded
him. Another is that Illinois seems to be playing much better defense under the
two headed coordinator setup. 

I've never heard Vanderlinden express any interest in returning to NU in any
capacity. IMHO he is very happy at State Penn, and is probably on the short list
of guys to replace Joe Pa should he ever step down. My semi-educated guess is
that he plays a larger part in developing the game plan than most other
Linebacker coaches. Its also interesting that the PSU site does not have his bio
up [Jay Paterno's is also missing]. 

One of Fitz' limitations as a head coach is that he doesn't have that long list
of guys he's worked with in the past to draw on for future assistants. Walker
had guys from North Carolina and Miami to draw on. 

However, I would guess that the "next" DC is already on the staff.

Go Cats

rsl

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Given that, the list has to include Ron Vanderlinden (now LB
> coach at PSU, although he seems to be happy he was the DC in 95-96), Vince
> Okruch (DC following Vanderlinden, who is now on a seemingly mysterious
> leave of absence from the DC position at Illinois), and Randy Bates (now LB
> coach at NU, formerly DC at Louisiana Tech

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Tue Oct 16 07:35:39 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Oct 16 07:28:40 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <101620071235.22141.4714B01B0000C7420000567D2215575114090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Nebraska  will out draw NU every time.  Watching the Minnesota game,a home coming one at that, the place was half empty.  That can't be very encouraging to any bowl officials who were there.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com>
> > This is purely speculation, though, and for now the job still belongs to
> > Colby - and should remain so for the rest of the season.  I am proud of the
> > fact that NU doesn't have knee-jerk reactions by firing coaches and ADs (see
> > Nebraska) mid-season leaving recruiting and the prospects for the current
> > season in that wake.
> 
> Well, the AD is out at Nebraska (one of the local talk radio stations 
> is celebrating that by playing "Ding dong, the witch is dead"), but no 
> other changes are being made at this time.  Stay tuned, though.
> 
> The Huskers, like the Cats are 4-3 at the moment, but with games left
> against Texas A&M, Texas, Kansas, K-State and Colorado, I have to say 
> that I think Northwestern's bowl chances look a bit brighter than 
> Nebraska's.
> --
> Mike Nolan
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Oct 16 07:40:14 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Oct 16 07:31:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
In-Reply-To: <247499.52641.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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I disagree. Unless you have satellite and are willing to spend extra for the BTN
games, you don't see any NU on the East Coast!

ABC and CBS have a top 25 fixation, our comeback win last Saturday wasn't
featured on any of the games we were able to watch here in the East. We didn't
even see highlights of the game during halftime anywhere.

Maybe the BTN will become a force in the Midwest some day, but once the SEC and
ACC [and maybe the Big East] get their networks up, we can kiss the opportunity
to watch our games on the East Coast goodbye. Comcast will follow the money,
regardless of how many letters we write.

As bad as the picture was, at least ESPN gameplan on the computer let us watch,
with the sound off and Dave & Ted on. Until the BTN figures out that an internet
form of distribution outside of the core Big 10 states is viable, NU and the Big
10 will slowly disappear from the normal TV sports coverage. 

Too Bad, I hope we haven't killed the Golden Goose.

rsl



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> 
> > I don't think it's the BTN that's at fault. The fact
> > is that the Big Ten
> > doesn't have a single out-of-conference victory
> > against any team receiving
> 
> Excellent point. I've seen plenty of NU highlights on
> Sports Center from the BTN. I just think it's the lack
> of a big win.
> 

From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Tue Oct 16 08:19:20 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Oct 16 08:12:29 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <C3394F2D.1B275%kmaresco@covlife.org>
References: <fcb3ee270710141135t5815a515udbe42e83c16ddbfd@mail.gmail.com>
	<C3394F2D.1B275%kmaresco@covlife.org>
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Kenneth wrote <snip>

Here is a question that I do not know the answer to, but I wonder if you or
Steven would have any thoughts. Who could we possibly get as a DC to replace
Colby. Given our low salaries, and low profile, do we have any great options
at this point, though I think I am at the place where any alternative is a
good one. 
--

I haven't seen any data that suggests that the salaries paid our coaches are
low.  Maybe I missed something.

If so, please fill me in.

Last time I recall looking at this, there was some data available on what NU
paid RW, and it was more than many coaches in the BT, though the total
compensation package for some of the high profile coaches is going to be
significantly higher because of endorsements, appearance fees, camps, etc.

Jeff

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 08:26:27 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Oct 16 08:18:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
In-Reply-To: <003501c80ff1$b32a7be0$197f73a0$@com>
Message-ID: <583311.99982.qm@web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> I disagree. Unless you have satellite and are
> willing to spend extra for the BTN
> games, you don't see any NU on the East Coast!

But that was the case before as well, and ESPN Game
Plan cost more than the BTN. When we played the big
boys we were on ESPN2 or ABC, but otherwise it was the
GamePlan outside of the midwest (in the midwest, I
will agree, it's a big change).

And that doesn't explain the lack of respect for the
teams nationally -- OSU, Michigan, PSU, Wisky, etc.
have still been on ABC plenty. In fact, with the new
mirroring of the 2:30 games on ESPN or ESPN2, our
"main" Big Ten game of the week has reached a wider
audience than before. Plus we've been on the prime
time ABC game a few times as well.

So I don't think the BTN has hurt our visibility
nationwide. Within the midwest, perhaps, but NU and
other BTN highlights are still all over Sports Center
and our top teams still get national coverage on ABC
and ESPN. BTN or no BTN, NU's games so far - outside
of Michigan and OSU - would probably not have been
anything other than Big Ten Plus anyway.

> Maybe the BTN will become a force in the Midwest
> some day, but once the SEC and
> ACC [and maybe the Big East] get their networks up,
> we can kiss the opportunity
> to watch our games on the East Coast goodbye.

Were the Big Ten Plus games on regular TV out east?

I think the BTN has helped our visibility outside of
the midwest. I can get games in Arizona I could never
get before unless I paid extra for the GamePlan
coverage - and even that sometimes wouldn't have it.
Now I get it as part of my basic package and it's more
than just football.

The midwest is really the only place where Comcast
negotiations are holding things up. Outside of that,
though, I would think the BTN has helped more people
have access to games that don't involve the big four
or five teams in the league. And those teams still get
their usual ABC/ESPN coverage.

> As bad as the picture was, at least ESPN gameplan on
> the computer let us watch,
> with the sound off and Dave & Ted on. Until the BTN
> figures out that an internet

Again, didn't you have to pay extra for that? I
thought I read that the BTN had a free trial viewing
of their Net site last weekend. I'd imagine they
couldn't charge much more - if not less - than ESPN's
gameplan net.

I don't think the BTN has hurt our visibility
nationwide for the polls - in fact I think it's gone
the other way outside the midwest. I think it's our
lack of big wins outside of league play, as was
mentioned yesterday.

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Oct 16 08:54:38 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Oct 16 08:54:42 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings (fwd)
Message-ID: <200710161354.l9GDscvJ012439@romaine.tssi.com>

> Excellent point. I've seen plenty of NU highlights on
> Sports Center from the BTN. I just think it's the lack
> of a big win.

A week ago watching the 1AM 'football wrapup' show on ESPN, I saw 45 
seconds of highlights from several games between unrated ACC or Big East 
teams, and maybe 15 seconds from the NU-MSU game.  

I didn't catch the 1AM show on Saturday because the Red Sox and Indians
were in extra innings, but about the only highlight I saw more than once
from the NU-Minny game before then was their touchdown in double-overtime 
and the failed two-point conversion.  

Somehow I suspect if there had been a 21 point comeback and 2OT game 
between Big East Also-Ran and Compass Point State, there would have 
been more highlights shown.  I saw far more highlights of OSU's drubbing 
of Nebraska, and that game was only available on pay-per-view.  

I'm looking forward to watching this week's game on ESPNU, which my
cable company does carry this year.  But I'm inching ever closer to
getting a dish and dropping all the premium channels from my cable
feed as well as a couple of converters.  (I also have a cable modem from 
them as a backup to my DSL connection, so I probably can't drop them 
completely.)
--
Mike Nolan

From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Oct 16 09:14:42 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct 16 09:08:19 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
Message-ID: <d69.14ca470c.34462152@aol.com>

The Big Ten Network has certainly not helped our visibility in the East,  
and, in particular, the NYC Metro Area.  Where we used to get most BT games  on 
Saturdays through ESPN, ESPN 2 and ESPN-PLUS, we now get maybe 2 games each  
weekend--on either ESPN or "The Deuce", and nothing on "PLUS".   That  is the 
reality.
 
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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Tue Oct 16 09:17:14 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct 16 09:11:05 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!!
Message-ID: <ceb.1e0d4780.344621ea@aol.com>

The only issue with 'insider only' candidates, is that the last hire, Greg  
Colby, was not hired in this manner.
 
Colby's only 2 connections to RW were tenuous at best.  In 1988 and  1989, 
while RW was coaching Running Backs at NU, GC was coaching Outside  Linebackers 
and Special Teams at Illinois.  We lost to the Illini 9-14 in  Champaign in 
'88, and again 14-63 in Evanston in '89.  We went 2-19-1 those  2 years (under 
Francis Peay), and Illinois went 16-7-1 under John Mackovic,  losing to Florida 
in the All-American Bowl in 1988 and beating Virginia in the  Citrus Bowl in 
1989.  So the extent of RW's connection with GC might have  been being 
impressed with the linebacking or special teams during one long  afternoon in 
November of 1989.
 
The second would have been in November of 1998, when RW was head coach at  
Miami, and they beat Kent 56-0, with GC serving as Kent's DC.  Kent went  0-11 
that year, giving up about 42 points per game.
 
So Randy Walker faced Greg Colby across the sidelines exactly 3 times in a  
14 year period, in 3 rather forgettable games.  The team Colby was  associated 
with probably only impressed RW slightly in '89.  The other two  performances 
could not have left much impact.  Yet he brought him into the  program in 
2002.  Since this was the most recent DC hiring, and PF is known  to deeply 
respect the things RW did, why would we assume PF would only bring in  someone who 
had an NU connection, or whom PF had worked with closely ?   Might he be brave 
enough to make an outside hire, since this is what RW had done  only 6 years 
previously ?
 
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Oct 16 09:26:12 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Oct 16 09:21:02 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20071016.092612.14235.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>

I often use news.google.com to see news about Northwestern and about alums.

Here is one item that came up in regards to Barry Cofield(NY Football Giants), which was very disturbing.

Giants DT Barry Cofield: 'I Haven't Read a Book Since Elementary School'
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/21/giants-dt-barry-cofield-i-havent-read-a-book-since-elementary/

Even if it is in jest it does not make NU look good.  He did get his degree, which could be a positive or negative depending on how you look at it.

Maureen met Barry at the women's football camp held at NU and he was very well spoken.  He definitely had the Barry White voice going on and could be a radio DJ after his NFL career.

As Chuck alluded to...
Coble Takes Break from Men's Basketball Program to be with Ailing Mother
Sophomore forward remains eligible to return this season
http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stories/101507aan.html
I understand and agree with his decision, but our basketball team will be much worse than normal without him.

We are headed for Detroit on Friday morning to see the Cats.  I predict beautiful weather for the game ;-)

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Oct 16 09:31:43 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Oct 16 09:31:47 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <200710161431.l9GEVhLR012706@romaine.tssi.com>

> I haven't seen any data that suggests that the salaries paid our coaches are
> low.  Maybe I missed something.
> 
> If so, please fill me in.
> 
> Last time I recall looking at this, there was some data available on what NU
> paid RW, and it was more than many coaches in the BT, though the total
> compensation package for some of the high profile coaches is going to be
> significantly higher because of endorsements, appearance fees, camps, etc.

Yes, RW was solidly in the middle of the ranks in the conference pay 
sheet, though the relative rankings change every year or two.  Most 
schools wind up paying more for their new coach than they did for their 
old coach, as Michigan is about to find out.  (Les Miles will cost them 
a minimum of $3 million a year, IMHO, more like $4 million.)

Of course for the head coach the lion's share of the money comes from
3rd party sources, such as shoes and uniforms.  (That's part of what made
Franny's $1200 'private newsletter' deal so dumb.)  The absence of a 
coaches show probably cost Walker $50K or so a year, plus the attendant 
visibility for the program.  But that's one area where being in one of 
the top 3 media markets hurts the Cats.  The stations can make more 
money selling ads for I Love Lucy reruns at 1AM, and probably get better 
ratings too.

I have no direct sources on this, but I'm fairly sure Northwestern's 
assistant coaches are getting deals comparable with most of the other 
schools in the conference, which is to say they're probably getting 
between $80K and $160K, plus a share of the camp revenue.  (A long-time
assistant does better at a school like Penn State, but NU doesn't have 
those long-timers yet, nor do any of our assistants have the track record 
to justify such a deal.)
--
Mike Nolan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Oct 16 09:56:23 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Oct 16 09:47:49 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
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On the East Coast, if you have several other services linked to Comcast [as I
do], satellite is NOT an option due to cost and duplication.

I used to pay $99 for game plan, and could get it on my HDTV or Computer. ESPN
used to broadcast all of the Big 10 games somewhere.

Now, I can get Maryland, Virginia, even Rutgers, but I can't get NU because the
games are on the BTN and COMCAST doesn't carry it, even as a PPV.

Since the majority of people live on the East Coast, the loss of free coverage
around here has got to be hurting the Big 10's image. Our games aren't good
enough to get on TV, we must not be that good. [At least that's the danger of
this screwy setup].

When the network execs look at ratings for games, and run their focus groups,
you know that the Big 10 isn't getting mentioned as much because our games are
not on the Comcast or Time Warner cable systems. Out of sight, out of mind....

What is sad is that I have over 100 channels vacant on my system - I'd pay extra
for a sports tier that carried the BTN and other conference's TV, but right now
the roadblock is the Big 10 Network's demand that cable companies carry the net
on the free tier. On the Boston to DC corridor, Comcast's east coast strength,
the Big 10 isn't a Big enough draw to ever break thru to the freebie channels. 

Obviously, there also has not been a major shift in subscriptions from Comcast -
because they are holding firm in their desire to put the BTN on a sports tier,
which is where they want to put the ACC and SEC networks once they appear.

Going to a sports bar 35 - 120 miles away is not an option for me on Saturday
afternoons, neither is flying to Evanston. I used to be able to buy the entire
NU season, now I can't. 

The Big 10 won't have any clout again until they do.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:26 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
> 
> > I disagree. Unless you have satellite and are
> > willing to spend extra for the BTN
> > games, you don't see any NU on the East Coast!
> 
> But that was the case before as well, and ESPN Game
> Plan cost more than the BTN. When we played the big
> boys we were on ESPN2 or ABC, but otherwise it was the
> GamePlan outside of the midwest (in the midwest, I
> will agree, it's a big change).
> 
> And that doesn't explain the lack of respect for the
> teams nationally -- OSU, Michigan, PSU, Wisky, etc.
> have still been on ABC plenty. In fact, with the new
> mirroring of the 2:30 games on ESPN or ESPN2, our
> "main" Big Ten game of the week has reached a wider
> audience than before. Plus we've been on the prime
> time ABC game a few times as well.
> 
> So I don't think the BTN has hurt our visibility
> nationwide. Within the midwest, perhaps, but NU and
> other BTN highlights are still all over Sports Center
> and our top teams still get national coverage on ABC
> and ESPN. BTN or no BTN, NU's games so far - outside
> of Michigan and OSU - would probably not have been
> anything other than Big Ten Plus anyway.
> 
> > Maybe the BTN will become a force in the Midwest
> > some day, but once the SEC and
> > ACC [and maybe the Big East] get their networks up,
> > we can kiss the opportunity
> > to watch our games on the East Coast goodbye.
> 
> Were the Big Ten Plus games on regular TV out east?
> 
> I think the BTN has helped our visibility outside of
> the midwest. I can get games in Arizona I could never
> get before unless I paid extra for the GamePlan
> coverage - and even that sometimes wouldn't have it.
> Now I get it as part of my basic package and it's more
> than just football.
> 
> The midwest is really the only place where Comcast
> negotiations are holding things up. Outside of that,
> though, I would think the BTN has helped more people
> have access to games that don't involve the big four
> or five teams in the league. And those teams still get
> their usual ABC/ESPN coverage.
> 
> > As bad as the picture was, at least ESPN gameplan on
> > the computer let us watch,
> > with the sound off and Dave & Ted on. Until the BTN
> > figures out that an internet
> 
> Again, didn't you have to pay extra for that? I
> thought I read that the BTN had a free trial viewing
> of their Net site last weekend. I'd imagine they
> couldn't charge much more - if not less - than ESPN's
> gameplan net.
> 
> I don't think the BTN has hurt our visibility
> nationwide for the polls - in fact I think it's gone
> the other way outside the midwest. I think it's our
> lack of big wins outside of league play, as was
> mentioned yesterday.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
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> sjtruog@yahoo.com
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> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Oct 16 10:01:43 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Oct 16 09:53:09 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
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References: <20071016.092612.14235.0@webmail04.dca.untd.com>
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Willie W sent me that from the Giant's site where it was up originally.

I think Barry C. was joking about reading, but I think he probably hasn't done
any reading for recreation in a long time. I do suspect that he reads a lot more
than he was saying, but I also think BC is the kind of guy who is all business
in the locker room, as he works to solidify his position on the Giants. 

I do doubt he'd take the pay cut to do radio, altho Pat Summerall started on
WCBS-AM doing sports in the morning during the off season,

rsl

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> 
> Giants DT Barry Cofield: 'I Haven't Read a Book Since Elementary School'
> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/21/giants-dt-barry-cofield-i-havent-
> read-a-book-since-elementary/
> 
> Even if it is in jest it does not make NU look good.  He did get his
> degree, which could be a positive or negative depending on how you look at
> it.
> 
> Maureen met Barry at the women's football camp held at NU and he was very
> well spoken.  He definitely had the Barry White voice going on and could be
> a radio DJ after his NFL career.
> 
sports

From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Tue Oct 16 10:14:41 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Oct 16 10:07:48 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
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I suspect that he was joking.  If he didn't value education, why would he
have stayed around to get his degree (Communications Studies)?

But maybe there are some on this list who happened to take some classes with
Barry and could vouch for his study habits, or are at least familiar with the
major and can attest that it requires some reading to graduate.  As I recall,
he had the reputation of being a hard worker on the field.  Why would he not
also be a hard worker academically?  In my experience anyway, those character
traits tend to carry over into all areas of activity.

Jeff

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Behalf Of mlinhardt@netzero.net
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:26 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)

I often use news.google.com to see news about Northwestern and about alums.

Here is one item that came up in regards to Barry Cofield(NY Football
Giants), which was very disturbing.

Giants DT Barry Cofield: 'I Haven't Read a Book Since Elementary School'
http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/21/giants-dt-barry-cofield-i-havent-re
ad-a-book-since-elementary/

Even if it is in jest it does not make NU look good.  He did get his degree,
which could be a positive or negative depending on how you look at it.

Maureen met Barry at the women's football camp held at NU and he was very
well spoken.  He definitely had the Barry White voice going on and could be a
radio DJ after his NFL career.

As Chuck alluded to...
Coble Takes Break from Men's Basketball Program to be with Ailing Mother
Sophomore forward remains eligible to return this season
http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stories/101507aan.html
I understand and agree with his decision, but our basketball team will be
much worse than normal without him.

We are headed for Detroit on Friday morning to see the Cats.  I predict
beautiful weather for the game ;-)

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Oct 16 10:16:45 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct 16 10:10:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
Message-ID: <d46.1641249d.34462fdd@aol.com>

Coach Roy, as always, hits it right on the head--except he forgot to  mention 
my beloved provider, "CABLEVISION" (Yes, the same folks that brought you  the 
harassment/retaliation verdict in favor of our own Anucha Brown Sanders),  
which also has no hint of BTN on its multi-tiers and many open channels.
 
Paul Levinson



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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Oct 16 10:35:10 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct 16 10:31:42 2007
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <cbd.1e4f9a16.3446342e@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/16/2007 8:34:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Hakirsch 
writes:

> >> suspect that he was joking.  If he didn't value education, why would he
>> have stayed around to get his degree (Communications Studies)?
>> 
> 
> Who knows  ? who cares ?--The point is that it didnt look good for an NU 
> grad saying that publicy--If our "competitive advantage" is well rounded 
> athletes, we sure don't want to have kids  say things that we would expect to hear 
> from the sports programs that don't care about their athletes' academics
> 
> Harry
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Oct 16 10:36:16 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Oct 16 10:32:50 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cofield
Message-ID: <20071016.103616.10214.1@webmail20.dca.untd.com>

I believe Felicia Middlebrooks who does the morning news in WBBM makes 600K+, which I thought was absurdly high for reading local news, traffic, and lottery numbers as part of a team.

Roe Conn has a talk show on WLS and is above $1 million.

Maybe DJ was outdated, but given the fact that football careers are short he his voice could get him an after football gig that paid well above.

7 Radio personalities in Chicago who make above $1M
Who Makes What - Salaries List via Chicago Magazine
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/April-2007/Money-in-Chicago-2007/Who-Makes-What-Salaries-List/

A decent radio job pays more than the governor $150K, if you exclude the under-the-table money.

-- "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
Willie W sent me that from the Giant's site where it was up originally.

I think Barry C. was joking about reading, but I think he probably hasn't done
any reading for recreation in a long time. I do suspect that he reads a lot more
than he was saying, but I also think BC is the kind of guy who is all business
in the locker room, as he works to solidify his position on the Giants. 

I do doubt he'd take the pay cut to do radio, altho Pat Summerall started on
WCBS-AM doing sports in the morning during the off season,

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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Tue Oct 16 10:48:31 2007
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Tue Oct 16 10:41:14 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
In-Reply-To: <003c01c81004$b8ca7a10$2a5f6e30$@com>
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On 10/16/07, Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
>
> Since the majority of people live on the East Coast,


While I'm not going to quibble with Coach Roy's overall point, his assertion
about the "majority of people" is just patently untrue.

Even using the most liberal estimates I could find (using projected 2006 U.S.
Census statistics), only 111 million people live on the East Coast.  To put
it another way, only 1/3, not over 1/2, of the population (appx. 300 million
as of 2006) lives in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina,
Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, D.C., Rhode Island, Pennsylvania,
Delaware, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, New
Hampshire, and Maine.

http://www.census.gov/popest/states/NST-ann-est.html
<http://www.census.gov/popest/states/NST-ann-est.html>

When you realize that usually "East Coast" means "if the East Coast stopped
at Northern Virginia", then the population drops to about 71 million, or
about as many as live in the Midwest - 66 million.  (knocking out Florida,
Georgia, North Carolina, and South Carolina).

You can verify this visually using a cartogram skewed by state for
population.  Equal area on this map equals equal population:

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/statecartcollegelarge.png
<http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/statecartcollegelarge.png>

Jon
From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Oct 16 10:57:04 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct 16 10:50:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
Message-ID: <c27.231b2901.34463950@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/16/2007 8:51:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
spiritu@northwestern.edu writes:

> While I'm not going to quibble with Coach Roy's overall point, his 
> assertion
> about the "majority of people" is just patently untrue.
> 
Yes out on the West Coast we hear this all the time--but i think the East 
Coast population centers tend to spend a lot more money per capita on consumer 
goods that are advertised during the football games (and most TV shows)--so that 
tends to dictate the specific airings and timing

Harry



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From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Oct 16 11:13:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cardiac Cats!!!!! (fwd)
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I believe that in the 2001 time frame Walker fought to get raises for the
assistants on his staff as apparently NU didn't pay the football assistants
much relative to other Big Ten teams as of that point.  Not sure if that was
because Walker brought on a fairly new staff or if it had been that way for
a while.

In any case I couldn't imagine NU will have to find a ton of money to get a
new DC since I believe the assistants are only on one year contracts as it
is (e.g. no buyout) and I don't think the coordinators are being paid that
poorly.  Obviously if NU went after a big name the price would go up, but
then again I couldn't see Fitz attracting a big name to coach under him
given his youth (I may be wrong, just a guess).

In terms of getting an assistant with ties to NU/Fitz, yes Colby didn't have
much of a tie to Walker at the time he was hired.  But the fact is that
typically, coaches hire guys they are familiar with - look at all of the
former NU guys over at EMU that we'll be facing this Friday.  I'm sure when
a coach starts his search he either starts close to home or goes after a big
name, but just like in virtually every other job field if you already know
the guy who's hiring it puts you above the rest of the competition.

Jonathan

On 10/16/07, Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:
>
> > I haven't seen any data that suggests that the salaries paid our coaches
> are
> > low.  Maybe I missed something.
> >
> > If so, please fill me in.
> >
> > Last time I recall looking at this, there was some data available on
> what NU
> > paid RW, and it was more than many coaches in the BT, though the total
> > compensation package for some of the high profile coaches is going to be
> > significantly higher because of endorsements, appearance fees, camps,
> etc.
>
> Yes, RW was solidly in the middle of the ranks in the conference pay
> sheet, though the relative rankings change every year or two.  Most
> schools wind up paying more for their new coach than they did for their
> old coach, as Michigan is about to find out.  (Les Miles will cost them
> a minimum of $3 million a year, IMHO, more like $4 million.)
>
> Of course for the head coach the lion's share of the money comes from
> 3rd party sources, such as shoes and uniforms.  (That's part of what made
> Franny's $1200 'private newsletter' deal so dumb.)  The absence of a
> coaches show probably cost Walker $50K or so a year, plus the attendant
> visibility for the program.  But that's one area where being in one of
> the top 3 media markets hurts the Cats.  The stations can make more
> money selling ads for I Love Lucy reruns at 1AM, and probably get better
> ratings too.
>
> I have no direct sources on this, but I'm fairly sure Northwestern's
> assistant coaches are getting deals comparable with most of the other
> schools in the conference, which is to say they're probably getting
> between $80K and $160K, plus a share of the camp revenue.  (A long-time
> assistant does better at a school like Penn State, but NU doesn't have
> those long-timers yet, nor do any of our assistants have the track record
> to justify such a deal.)
> --
> Mike Nolan
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Oct 16 11:26:25 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Oct 16 11:17:46 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cofield
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That is still a pay cut from playing DT in the NFL.

And in the NFL, you don't have to get up at 4 AM to make the bucks either.

I suspect he could have a future in doing voice-over work, I have some
interviews that could get him two or 3 films a month, and the "voice" out there
in LA is getting older [you know - Lafontaine from the insurance commercial?]

But for every guy in Chicago making 7 figures, there are 30 guys making
considerably less. You can make more selling cars, or commercial real estate.

Remember, I'm a survivor of the radio wars.

If Barry C decides to go into the broadcast field, he's definitely in the right
place to do it - there's lots of voiceover work in NY.

rsl 

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of mlinhardt@netzero.net
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:36 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Cofield
> 
> I believe Felicia Middlebrooks who does the morning news in WBBM makes
> 600K+, which I thought was absurdly high for reading local news, traffic,
> and lottery numbers as part of a team.
> 
> Roe Conn has a talk show on WLS and is above $1 million.
> 
> Maybe DJ was outdated, but given the fact that football careers are short
> he his voice could get him an after football gig that paid well above.
> 
> 7 Radio personalities in Chicago who make above $1M
> Who Makes What - Salaries List via Chicago Magazine
> http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/April-2007/Money-in-Chicago-
> 2007/Who-Makes-What-Salaries-List/
> 
> A decent radio job pays more than the governor $150K, if you exclude the
> under-the-table money.
> 
> -- "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
> Willie W sent me that from the Giant's site where it was up originally.
> 
> I think Barry C. was joking about reading, but I think he probably hasn't
> done
> any reading for recreation in a long time. I do suspect that he reads a lot
> more
> than he was saying, but I also think BC is the kind of guy who is all
> business
> in the locker room, as he works to solidify his position on the Giants.
> 
> I do doubt he'd take the pay cut to do radio, altho Pat Summerall started
> on
> WCBS-AM doing sports in the morning during the off season,
> 
> rsl
> 
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 11:29:06 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Oct 16 11:21:47 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
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I'm guessing he was talking about reading a book outside of class (for
recreation), which I know I didn't do much of during school (and I would
imagine that the football team didn't have much down time outside of class
and workouts/practice/travel/games to read).  Anyways I would imagine that
he earned his degree and did the required reading for class (or at least
enough of it to pass).

Jonathan

On 10/16/07, Jeff Beamsley <jeff.beamsley@hilgraeve.com> wrote:
>
>
> I suspect that he was joking.  If he didn't value education, why would he
> have stayed around to get his degree (Communications Studies)?
>
> But maybe there are some on this list who happened to take some classes
> with
> Barry and could vouch for his study habits, or are at least familiar with
> the
> major and can attest that it requires some reading to graduate.  As I
> recall,
> he had the reputation of being a hard worker on the field.  Why would he
> not
> also be a hard worker academically?  In my experience anyway, those
> character
> traits tend to carry over into all areas of activity.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of mlinhardt@netzero.net
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 10:26 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
>
> I often use news.google.com to see news about Northwestern and about
> alums.
>
> Here is one item that came up in regards to Barry Cofield(NY Football
> Giants), which was very disturbing.
>
> Giants DT Barry Cofield: 'I Haven't Read a Book Since Elementary School'
>
> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/21/giants-dt-barry-cofield-i-havent-re
> ad-a-book-since-elementary/
>
> Even if it is in jest it does not make NU look good.  He did get his
> degree,
> which could be a positive or negative depending on how you look at it.
>
> Maureen met Barry at the women's football camp held at NU and he was very
> well spoken.  He definitely had the Barry White voice going on and could
> be a
> radio DJ after his NFL career.
>
> As Chuck alluded to...
> Coble Takes Break from Men's Basketball Program to be with Ailing Mother
> Sophomore forward remains eligible to return this season
> http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stories/101507aan.html
> I understand and agree with his decision, but our basketball team will be
> much worse than normal without him.
>
> We are headed for Detroit on Friday morning to see the Cats.  I predict
> beautiful weather for the game ;-)
>
> Marc Linhardt
> Tech'93
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Oct 16 11:30:26 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Oct 16 11:22:00 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
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I know the East Coast is eroding in population, but those who make media calls
still live there, and many decisions are made based on old ideas.

TV is also about markets, not state population - While Atlanta is growing, and
Chicago and LA are still #2 & #3, or vice versa, the Boston, NY, Philly,
Baltimore, DC corridor is one whopping big market that right now has few Big 10
games broadcast.  That's my point.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Jonathan Michael Hawkins
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:49 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
> 
> On 10/16/07, Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
> >
> > Since the majority of people live on the East Coast,
> 
> 
> While I'm not going to quibble with Coach Roy's overall point, his
> assertion
> about the "majority of people" is just patently untrue.
> 
> Even using the most liberal estimates I could find (using projected 2006
> U.S.
> Census statistics), only 111 million people live on the East Coast.  To put
> it another way, only 1/3, not over 1/2, of the population (appx. 300
> million
> as of 2006) lives in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, South Carolina,
> Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, D.C., Rhode Island, Pennsylvania,
> Delaware, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, New
> Hampshire, and Maine.
> 
> http://www.census.gov/popest/states/NST-ann-est.html
> <http://www.census.gov/popest/states/NST-ann-est.html>
> 
> When you realize that usually "East Coast" means "if the East Coast stopped
> at Northern Virginia", then the population drops to about 71 million, or
> about as many as live in the Midwest - 66 million.  (knocking out Florida,
> Georgia, North Carolina, and South Carolina).
> 
> You can verify this visually using a cartogram skewed by state for
> population.  Equal area on this map equals equal population:
> 
> http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/statecartcollegelarge.png
> <http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/statecartcollegelarge.png>
> 
> Jon
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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Tue Oct 16 11:31:35 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Oct 16 11:24:42 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
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I agree.  It would have been much better if he had said that he reads
recreationally and recently finished Alan Greenspan's new memoir, but had a
few quibbles about his particular implementation of economics theory.  
 
He's young.
 
He didn't think about how the newspapers were going to construe a comment
like that.  Or perhaps he was posturing for his teammates, because he likely
gets a fair amount of abuse from some of his peers that he graduated from
Northwestern.
 
You're right.  We don't know.
 
Clearly though, we care.
 
Jeff 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Hakirsch@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:35 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] (no subject)

In a message dated 10/16/2007 8:34:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Hakirsch
writes:

> >> suspect that he was joking.  If he didn't value education, why 
> >> would he
>> have stayed around to get his degree (Communications Studies)?
>> 
> 
> Who knows  ? who cares ?--The point is that it didnt look good for an 
> NU grad saying that publicy--If our "competitive advantage" is well 
> rounded athletes, we sure don't want to have kids  say things that we 
> would expect to hear from the sports programs that don't care about 
> their athletes' academics
> 
> Harry
> 




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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Oct 16 11:33:24 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Oct 16 11:26:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
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What is funny is that ESPN360, which we despised so much last year, is now
carried on AT&T's DSL service (which I have and is available throughout the
Chicago area).  Basically every game on ESPN/ABC/ESPN+ plus some ESPN360
exclusive games are all carried on the online video streaming and it's easy
to switch between games leaving a lot of viewing options on the computer.
Obviously it's not the same as a TV feed (especially HD) but it's
something.  And there are archives of games from previous weeks that you can
replay if you so choose.

Jonathan

On 10/16/07, Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
>
> On the East Coast, if you have several other services linked to Comcast
> [as I
> do], satellite is NOT an option due to cost and duplication.
>
> I used to pay $99 for game plan, and could get it on my HDTV or Computer.
> ESPN
> used to broadcast all of the Big 10 games somewhere.
>
> Now, I can get Maryland, Virginia, even Rutgers, but I can't get NU
> because the
> games are on the BTN and COMCAST doesn't carry it, even as a PPV.
>
> Since the majority of people live on the East Coast, the loss of free
> coverage
> around here has got to be hurting the Big 10's image. Our games aren't
> good
> enough to get on TV, we must not be that good. [At least that's the danger
> of
> this screwy setup].
>
> When the network execs look at ratings for games, and run their focus
> groups,
> you know that the Big 10 isn't getting mentioned as much because our games
> are
> not on the Comcast or Time Warner cable systems. Out of sight, out of
> mind....
>
> What is sad is that I have over 100 channels vacant on my system - I'd pay
> extra
> for a sports tier that carried the BTN and other conference's TV, but
> right now
> the roadblock is the Big 10 Network's demand that cable companies carry
> the net
> on the free tier. On the Boston to DC corridor, Comcast's east coast
> strength,
> the Big 10 isn't a Big enough draw to ever break thru to the freebie
> channels.
>
> Obviously, there also has not been a major shift in subscriptions from
> Comcast -
> because they are holding firm in their desire to put the BTN on a sports
> tier,
> which is where they want to put the ACC and SEC networks once they appear.
>
> Going to a sports bar 35 - 120 miles away is not an option for me on
> Saturday
> afternoons, neither is flying to Evanston. I used to be able to buy the
> entire
> NU season, now I can't.
>
> The Big 10 won't have any clout again until they do.
>
> rsl
>
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:26 AM
> > To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> > Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
> >
> > > I disagree. Unless you have satellite and are
> > > willing to spend extra for the BTN
> > > games, you don't see any NU on the East Coast!
> >
> > But that was the case before as well, and ESPN Game
> > Plan cost more than the BTN. When we played the big
> > boys we were on ESPN2 or ABC, but otherwise it was the
> > GamePlan outside of the midwest (in the midwest, I
> > will agree, it's a big change).
> >
> > And that doesn't explain the lack of respect for the
> > teams nationally -- OSU, Michigan, PSU, Wisky, etc.
> > have still been on ABC plenty. In fact, with the new
> > mirroring of the 2:30 games on ESPN or ESPN2, our
> > "main" Big Ten game of the week has reached a wider
> > audience than before. Plus we've been on the prime
> > time ABC game a few times as well.
> >
> > So I don't think the BTN has hurt our visibility
> > nationwide. Within the midwest, perhaps, but NU and
> > other BTN highlights are still all over Sports Center
> > and our top teams still get national coverage on ABC
> > and ESPN. BTN or no BTN, NU's games so far - outside
> > of Michigan and OSU - would probably not have been
> > anything other than Big Ten Plus anyway.
> >
> > > Maybe the BTN will become a force in the Midwest
> > > some day, but once the SEC and
> > > ACC [and maybe the Big East] get their networks up,
> > > we can kiss the opportunity
> > > to watch our games on the East Coast goodbye.
> >
> > Were the Big Ten Plus games on regular TV out east?
> >
> > I think the BTN has helped our visibility outside of
> > the midwest. I can get games in Arizona I could never
> > get before unless I paid extra for the GamePlan
> > coverage - and even that sometimes wouldn't have it.
> > Now I get it as part of my basic package and it's more
> > than just football.
> >
> > The midwest is really the only place where Comcast
> > negotiations are holding things up. Outside of that,
> > though, I would think the BTN has helped more people
> > have access to games that don't involve the big four
> > or five teams in the league. And those teams still get
> > their usual ABC/ESPN coverage.
> >
> > > As bad as the picture was, at least ESPN gameplan on
> > > the computer let us watch,
> > > with the sound off and Dave & Ted on. Until the BTN
> > > figures out that an internet
> >
> > Again, didn't you have to pay extra for that? I
> > thought I read that the BTN had a free trial viewing
> > of their Net site last weekend. I'd imagine they
> > couldn't charge much more - if not less - than ESPN's
> > gameplan net.
> >
> > I don't think the BTN has hurt our visibility
> > nationwide for the polls - in fact I think it's gone
> > the other way outside the midwest. I think it's our
> > lack of big wins outside of league play, as was
> > mentioned yesterday.
> >
> > GO CATS!!!
> > -SjT
> >
> > * * * * * * * * *
> > STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> > sjtruog@yahoo.com
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> >
> >
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Tue Oct 16 15:00:26 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Oct 16 14:53:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
Message-ID: <101620072000.6302.4715185A000AF2550000189E2216549976090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Cablevision is the only cable network that could give Comcast a run for its money as the worst cable network.  

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: NEONRye@aol.com
> Coach Roy, as always, hits it right on the head--except he forgot to  mention 
> my beloved provider, "CABLEVISION" (Yes, the same folks that brought you  the 
> harassment/retaliation verdict in favor of our own Anucha Brown Sanders),  
> which also has no hint of BTN on its multi-tiers and many open channels.
>  
> Paul Levinson
> 
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Oct 16 16:21:48 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Oct 16 16:19:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
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360 is not on Comcast either

 

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From: Jonathan Hodges [mailto:jonathanwhodges@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 12:33 PM
To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com
Cc: SjT (Stephen J. Truog); nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings

 

What is funny is that ESPN360, which we despised so much last year, is now
carried on AT&T's DSL service 

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 21:49:04 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Oct 16 21:41:33 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A good laugh ...
Message-ID: <888860.29678.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

My brother sent me this link and after I stopped
spitting up Diet Mountain Dew all over the computer, I
just had to share.

The Big Ten may not be getting any respect, but things
could always be worse ...

http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1780723

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 16 22:12:37 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Oct 16 22:05:00 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Uh Oh! BCS Poll Warnings
In-Reply-To: <d477ce9c0710160848s2b6caa03h7d9105009374b867@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <402417.21807.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I guess I didn't realize so many Big Ten plus games
were on in NYC. Philly is part of the Big Ten markets,
so I knew they did ... but I thought NYC, Boston, DC
and so had to purchase GamePlan.

I dunno, I still think the BTN positives far outweigh
the negatives despite Comcast's idiotic play. It gets
all our games televised -- meaning ESPN highlights for
some that weren't there before (though I'm not sure
we're glad they had Duke footage this year). Plus, I
don't buy that it's what's hurting us in the polls
because the folks who follow football closely for that
are either gonna have satellite already or get to a
sports bar.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From johnl at mac.com  Wed Oct 17 02:29:33 2007
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Wed Oct 17 02:21:57 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0C0100EEFF@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>
References: <cbd.1e4f9a16.3446342e@aol.com>
	<4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0C0100EEFF@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <43160c80ab167071db80485ef47ebef9@mac.com>

To me, this was just a case of a stupid question getting a stupid 
answer.  It's not even clear what the question was, but apparently a 
reporter asked whether he had read a certain book, and he dismissed the 
question saying he hadn't read any books since elementary school.  As 
far as I know, the only place we've read about this is on one 
reporter's blog on sports.aol.com.  Big deal.  Perhaps it was clear at 
the time that this whole discussion was a joke.  We simply don't know 
from this one reporter's account, which itself admits that Cofield was 
probably joking.


On Oct 16, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Jeff Beamsley wrote:

> I agree.  It would have been much better if he had said that he reads
> recreationally and recently finished Alan Greenspan's new memoir, but 
> had a
> few quibbles about his particular implementation of economics theory.
>
> He's young.
>
> He didn't think about how the newspapers were going to construe a 
> comment
> like that.  Or perhaps he was posturing for his teammates, because he 
> likely
> gets a fair amount of abuse from some of his peers that he graduated 
> from
> Northwestern.
>
> You're right.  We don't know.
>
> Clearly though, we care.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Hakirsch@aol.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:35 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] (no subject)
>
> In a message dated 10/16/2007 8:34:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
> Hakirsch
> writes:
>
>>>> suspect that he was joking.  If he didn't value education, why
>>>> would he
>>> have stayed around to get his degree (Communications Studies)?
>>>
>>
>> Who knows  ? who cares ?--The point is that it didnt look good for an
>> NU grad saying that publicy--If our "competitive advantage" is well
>> rounded athletes, we sure don't want to have kids  say things that we
>> would expect to hear from the sports programs that don't care about
>> their athletes' academics
>>
>> Harry
>>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Oct 17 08:23:58 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Oct 17 08:15:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] EMU's top QB may be out?
Message-ID: <002f01c810c0$f9cf3250$ed6d96f0$@com>

Schmitt is "day to day" after an injury in the game with Ohio.

http://www.easternecho.com/cgi-bin/story.cgi?21790

There's also a report on one of the defenders.

Schmitt had 4 TDs against Ohio, but they crunched him at the end of the game.
Genyk says he's day to day...

rsl

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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Oct 17 10:04:02 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Oct 17 09:57:40 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <001001c810ce$f43af0f0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Here is one to chew on.  I did not include Otto Graham.  Too far back.  I also excluded the convicted liar Mike Senters.  I could only find six defensive linemen, which tells you something.  On the other hand, how I would love right to see a 3-4 defense with Castillo in the middle flanked by Dailey and Missouri and with Fitz and McGarigle in the middle flanked by Bentley and Harris.  Argue it out, y'all.  They are in no particular order.

All-time Cat Football Team (+reserves)

 

QB                   Brett Basanez

                        Len Williams

                        Tommy Myers

 

RB                   Noah Herron

                        Darnell Autry

                        Damien Anderson

                        Mike Adamle

                        Ron Burton

                        Tyrell Sutton

 

FB                   Matt Hartl

 

WR                  D'Wayne Bates

                        Lee Gissendaner

                        Paul Flatley

                        Curtis Duncan

                        Sam Simmons

                        Richard Buchanan

 

TE                   Cas Banaszek

 

OL                   Chris Hinton

                        Jack Rudnay

                        Matt O'Dwyer

                        Austin King

                        Zach Strief

                        Trai Essex

                        Darryl Ashmore

                        Fate Echols

                        Dylan Thiry

 

DL                   Barry Cofield

                        Luis Castillo

                        Dwayne Missouri

                        Casey Dailey

                        Mike Baum

                        Matt Rice

 

LB                   Pat Fitzgerald

                        Tim McGarigle

                        Napoleon Harris

                        Kevin Bentley

                        Barry Gardner

                        Tim Scharf

                        Steve Shine

 

DB                   Harold Blackmon

                        Hudhaifa Ismaeli

                        Phil Clark

                        Irv Cross

                        Chris Martin

                        William Bennett

 

P                      Paul Burton

                        John Kidd

 

K                     Tim Long

                        Brian Gowins

 

ST                   Steve Tasker

                        Jason Wright

                        Brian Musso

 

Coach              Ara Parseghian
From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Wed Oct 17 10:38:48 2007
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Wed Oct 17 10:31:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
In-Reply-To: <001001c810ce$f43af0f0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
References: <001001c810ce$f43af0f0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <d477ce9c0710170838h13d5f441rc426d7070ef75f5b@mail.gmail.com>

Nice list, but what about Jason Wright in at RB?

http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/wright_jason00.html
<http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/wright_jason00.html>

Also, what about Brian Musso at WR - played for the Jets (briefly) and,
perhaps more importantly, married Heather Headley!  Pluses both for
inspiring, clutch receiving, and for having superior taste in women. ;-)

http://broadwayworld.com/galleryphoto.cfm?photoid=1339&personid=7930
<http://broadwayworld.com/galleryphoto.cfm?photoid=1339&personid=7930>

On 10/17/07, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Here is one to chew on.  I did not include Otto Graham.  Too far back.  I
> also excluded the convicted liar Mike Senters.  I could only find six
> defensive linemen, which tells you something.  On the other hand, how I
> would love right to see a 3-4 defense with Castillo in the middle flanked by
> Dailey and Missouri and with Fitz and McGarigle in the middle flanked by
> Bentley and Harris.  Argue it out, y'all.  They are in no particular order.
>
> All-time Cat Football Team (+reserves)
>
>
>
> QB                   Brett Basanez
>
>                         Len Williams
>
>                         Tommy Myers
>
>
>
> RB                   Noah Herron
>
>                         Darnell Autry
>
>                         Damien Anderson
>
>                         Mike Adamle
>
>                         Ron Burton
>
>                         Tyrell Sutton
>
>
>
> FB                   Matt Hartl
>
>
>
> WR                  D'Wayne Bates
>
>                         Lee Gissendaner
>
>                         Paul Flatley
>
>                         Curtis Duncan
>
>                         Sam Simmons
>
>                         Richard Buchanan
>
>
>
> TE                   Cas Banaszek
>
>
>
> OL                   Chris Hinton
>
>                         Jack Rudnay
>
>                         Matt O'Dwyer
>
>                         Austin King
>
>                         Zach Strief
>
>                         Trai Essex
>
>                         Darryl Ashmore
>
>                         Fate Echols
>
>                         Dylan Thiry
>
>
>
> DL                   Barry Cofield
>
>                         Luis Castillo
>
>                         Dwayne Missouri
>
>                         Casey Dailey
>
>                         Mike Baum
>
>                         Matt Rice
>
>
>
> LB                   Pat Fitzgerald
>
>                         Tim McGarigle
>
>                         Napoleon Harris
>
>                         Kevin Bentley
>
>                         Barry Gardner
>
>                         Tim Scharf
>
>                         Steve Shine
>
>
>
> DB                   Harold Blackmon
>
>                         Hudhaifa Ismaeli
>
>                         Phil Clark
>
>                         Irv Cross
>
>                         Chris Martin
>
>                         William Bennett
>
>
>
> P                      Paul Burton
>
>                         John Kidd
>
>
>
> K                     Tim Long
>
>                         Brian Gowins
>
>
>
> ST                   Steve Tasker
>
>                         Jason Wright
>
>                         Brian Musso
>
>
>
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Wed Oct 17 11:12:33 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Wed Oct 17 11:07:47 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <20071017.111233.21548.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>

I put stars(****) besides my additions.

I graduated in 1993 so I have no idea who some of the players are like Tommy Myers at QB, but at least you recognized Len Williams who without the unspeakable person at RB would have be the first bowl team since 1949.

Tyrell still has a lot to prove to show up on the list.  Right now Lane is closer to being on the list.

JW probably was the best pass catching RB we have ever had, but it is hard to knock anybody but Tyrell off the list.

Good list.
-- "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
Here is one to chew on.  I did not include Otto Graham.  Too far back.  I also excluded the convicted liar Mike Senters.  I could only find six defensive linemen, which tells you something.  On the other hand, how I would love right to see a 3-4 defense with Castillo in the middle flanked by Dailey and Missouri and with Fitz and McGarigle in the middle flanked by Bentley and Harris.  Argue it out, y'all.  They are in no particular order.

All-time Cat Football Team (+reserves)

 

QB                   Brett Basanez

                        Len Williams

                        Tommy Myers

 

RB                   Noah Herron

                        Darnell Autry

                        Damien Anderson

                        Mike Adamle

                        Ron Burton

                        Tyrell Sutton

 

FB                   Matt Hartl
**** Bob Christian
 

WR                  D'Wayne Bates

                        Lee Gissendaner

                        Paul Flatley

                        Curtis Duncan

                        Sam Simmons

                        Richard Buchanan

 

TE                   Cas Banaszek

 

OL                   Chris Hinton

                        Jack Rudnay

                        Matt O'Dwyer

                        Austin King

                        Zach Strief

                        Trai Essex

                        Darryl Ashmore

                        Fate Echols

                        Dylan Thiry
**** Rob Johnson - much higher GPA than I graduated with and a harder tech major Bio Med
 

DL                   Barry Cofield

                        Luis Castillo

                        Dwayne Missouri

                        Casey Dailey

                        Mike Baum

                        Matt Rice

 

LB                   Pat Fitzgerald

                        Tim McGarigle

                        Napoleon Harris

                        Kevin Bentley

                        Barry Gardner

                        Tim Scharf

                        Steve Shine

 

DB                   Harold Blackmon

                        Hudhaifa Ismaeli

                        Phil Clark

                        Irv Cross

                        Chris Martin

                        William Bennett

 

P                      Paul Burton

                        John Kidd

 

K                     Tim Long

                        Brian Gowins
**** Sam Valenzisi
 

ST                   Steve Tasker

                        Jason Wright

                        Brian Musso

 

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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Oct 17 11:24:59 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Oct 17 11:18:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
References: <001001c810ce$f43af0f0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
	<d477ce9c0710170838h13d5f441rc426d7070ef75f5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001401c810da$43a34e70$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

> Also, what about Brian Musso at WR - played for the Jets (briefly) and,
> perhaps more importantly, married Heather Headley!  Pluses both for
> inspiring, clutch receiving, and for having superior taste in women. ;-)
> 
Can Heather run a 4.3 40 and catch passes in traffic?

From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 17 11:29:35 2007
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Wed Oct 17 11:22:07 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
In-Reply-To: <20071017.111233.21548.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV102EE2D51E84D8385A49B08A9D0@phx.gbl>

Interesting thread.  I might argue that Nate Strikwerda would be a better
choice at OL than Trai Essex--wasn't Strikwerda First Team All-Conference
his Senior year?  I never thought Essex fulfilled his potential at NU.

Also, I don't see how one cannot include Gary Barnett as the Head Coach.
With all due respect to Parseghian, GB accomplished more with less.



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of mlinhardt@netzero.net
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:13 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team


I put stars(****) besides my additions.

I graduated in 1993 so I have no idea who some of the players are like Tommy
Myers at QB, but at least you recognized Len Williams who without the
unspeakable person at RB would have be the first bowl team since 1949.

Tyrell still has a lot to prove to show up on the list.  Right now Lane is
closer to being on the list.

JW probably was the best pass catching RB we have ever had, but it is hard
to knock anybody but Tyrell off the list.

Good list.
-- "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
Here is one to chew on.  I did not include Otto Graham.  Too far back.  I
also excluded the convicted liar Mike Senters.  I could only find six
defensive linemen, which tells you something.  On the other hand, how I
would love right to see a 3-4 defense with Castillo in the middle flanked by
Dailey and Missouri and with Fitz and McGarigle in the middle flanked by
Bentley and Harris.  Argue it out, y'all.  They are in no particular order.

All-time Cat Football Team (+reserves)

 

QB                   Brett Basanez

                        Len Williams

                        Tommy Myers

 

RB                   Noah Herron

                        Darnell Autry

                        Damien Anderson

                        Mike Adamle

                        Ron Burton

                        Tyrell Sutton

 

FB                   Matt Hartl
**** Bob Christian
 

WR                  D'Wayne Bates

                        Lee Gissendaner

                        Paul Flatley

                        Curtis Duncan

                        Sam Simmons

                        Richard Buchanan

 

TE                   Cas Banaszek

 

OL                   Chris Hinton

                        Jack Rudnay

                        Matt O'Dwyer

                        Austin King

                        Zach Strief

                        Trai Essex

                        Darryl Ashmore

                        Fate Echols

                        Dylan Thiry
**** Rob Johnson - much higher GPA than I graduated with and a harder tech
major Bio Med
 

DL                   Barry Cofield

                        Luis Castillo

                        Dwayne Missouri

                        Casey Dailey

                        Mike Baum

                        Matt Rice

 

LB                   Pat Fitzgerald

                        Tim McGarigle

                        Napoleon Harris

                        Kevin Bentley

                        Barry Gardner

                        Tim Scharf

                        Steve Shine

 

DB                   Harold Blackmon

                        Hudhaifa Ismaeli

                        Phil Clark

                        Irv Cross

                        Chris Martin

                        William Bennett

 

P                      Paul Burton

                        John Kidd

 

K                     Tim Long

                        Brian Gowins
**** Sam Valenzisi
 

ST                   Steve Tasker

                        Jason Wright

                        Brian Musso

 

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Oct 17 11:53:31 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct 17 11:47:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <cd0.1caa7045.3447980b@aol.com>

As a member of the "'70's" generation, I must speak up about the Wide  
Receiver/Tight End slots.  On the terrific, second in the BT, teams from  1970 and 
1971 we had a terrific group of pass-catchers:  Flanker Barry  Pearson (whom I 
believe played for the Steelers); Split End Jim Lash (who  played for the 
Vikings); and Tight End Steve Lash (who also played for the  "Purple People 
Eaters" up in Minny-land).  
 
I also recall we had some very good DB's, including, of course, Rick  
Telander (but he was not the best of that bunch).  Maybe my old friend Mark  Ament or 
others of that time period can refresh my failing recollection as to  who 
those DB's were.
 
Paul Levinson
 
 



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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Oct 17 12:05:19 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Oct 17 11:58:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
References: <BAY106-DAV102EE2D51E84D8385A49B08A9D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000901c810df$e60d1e70$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

I considered Strikwerda, and maybe he should be there.  I'm unfamiliar with 
him, and Essex did get drafted, although I agree he never had superstar 
written on him while at NU.  I'm still too pi**ed at Gary Barnett to include 
him in anything but Mt. Trashmore so the team can run over his duplicitous 
face, even while admitting he was the savior of NU football.  Trouble is, he 
became Judas.  Parseghian also did a lot with little and is among the 
all-time coaching greats.

No one has noticed Fred "The Hammer" Williamson is missing.  I know nothing 
about him except that he was a bad actor who starred in very bad movies and 
made an awful color announcer on Monday Night Football.

Someone brought up Bob Christian, and his absence on the list was certainly 
an oversight.  They also brought up Rob Johnson because of his GPA.  Sorry, 
but this is a football team, not a debating society.  They also discussed 
Ross Lane, who is becoming a fine possession receiver.  But my choice for 
best current receiver would be Eric Peterman.  Maybe in a year or two I will 
be able to add one or both of their names to the list.

I have also seen websites that tout Deante Battle as all-conference, but I 
haven't seen that performance from him yet.

It is a shame that I struggled to find six defensive lineman from more than 
forty years of NU football, and only one of them could be deemed an NFL 
star.  Somehow we have to find some talent for the DL, or we are never going 
to have a consistent defense.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Arthur Miller" <artmiller1@hotmail.com>
To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 12:29 PM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team


> Interesting thread.  I might argue that Nate Strikwerda would be a better
> choice at OL than Trai Essex--wasn't Strikwerda First Team All-Conference
> his Senior year?  I never thought Essex fulfilled his potential at NU.
>
> Also, I don't see how one cannot include Gary Barnett as the Head Coach.
> With all due respect to Parseghian, GB accomplished more with less.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of mlinhardt@netzero.net
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:13 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
>
>
> I put stars(****) besides my additions.
>
> I graduated in 1993 so I have no idea who some of the players are like 
> Tommy
> Myers at QB, but at least you recognized Len Williams who without the
> unspeakable person at RB would have be the first bowl team since 1949.
>
> Tyrell still has a lot to prove to show up on the list.  Right now Lane is
> closer to being on the list.
>
> JW probably was the best pass catching RB we have ever had, but it is hard
> to knock anybody but Tyrell off the list.
>
> Good list.
> -- "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
> Here is one to chew on.  I did not include Otto Graham.  Too far back.  I
> also excluded the convicted liar Mike Senters.  I could only find six
> defensive linemen, which tells you something.  On the other hand, how I
> would love right to see a 3-4 defense with Castillo in the middle flanked 
> by
> Dailey and Missouri and with Fitz and McGarigle in the middle flanked by
> Bentley and Harris.  Argue it out, y'all.  They are in no particular 
> order.
>
> All-time Cat Football Team (+reserves)
>
>
>
> QB                   Brett Basanez
>
>                        Len Williams
>
>                        Tommy Myers
>
>
>
> RB                   Noah Herron
>
>                        Darnell Autry
>
>                        Damien Anderson
>
>                        Mike Adamle
>
>                        Ron Burton
>
>                        Tyrell Sutton
>
>
>
> FB                   Matt Hartl
> **** Bob Christian
>
>
> WR                  D'Wayne Bates
>
>                        Lee Gissendaner
>
>                        Paul Flatley
>
>                        Curtis Duncan
>
>                        Sam Simmons
>
>                        Richard Buchanan
>
>
>
> TE                   Cas Banaszek
>
>
>
> OL                   Chris Hinton
>
>                        Jack Rudnay
>
>                        Matt O'Dwyer
>
>                        Austin King
>
>                        Zach Strief
>
>                        Trai Essex
>
>                        Darryl Ashmore
>
>                        Fate Echols
>
>                        Dylan Thiry
> **** Rob Johnson - much higher GPA than I graduated with and a harder tech
> major Bio Med
>
>
> DL                   Barry Cofield
>
>                        Luis Castillo
>
>                        Dwayne Missouri
>
>                        Casey Dailey
>
>                        Mike Baum
>
>                        Matt Rice
>
>
>
> LB                   Pat Fitzgerald
>
>                        Tim McGarigle
>
>                        Napoleon Harris
>
>                        Kevin Bentley
>
>                        Barry Gardner
>
>                        Tim Scharf
>
>                        Steve Shine
>
>
>
> DB                   Harold Blackmon
>
>                        Hudhaifa Ismaeli
>
>                        Phil Clark
>
>                        Irv Cross
>
>                        Chris Martin
>
>                        William Bennett
>
>
>
> P                      Paul Burton
>
>                        John Kidd
>
>
>
> K                     Tim Long
>
>                        Brian Gowins
> **** Sam Valenzisi
>
>
> ST                   Steve Tasker
>
>                        Jason Wright
>
>                        Brian Musso
>
>
>
> Coach              Ara Parseghian
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Oct 17 12:09:15 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Oct 17 12:02:53 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
References: <cd0.1caa7045.3447980b@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c810e0$72d6d620$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

I lived in Pennsylvania and New Jersey during the 70s and saw almost no 
Northwestern football.  I wasn't missing much according to the scores in the 
Sunday paper, assuming I could find them.  I recall the Lashs from the NFL 
and vaguely remember Pearson, but the wide receiver group was already well 
represented.  I didn't put Musso in the group for the same reason.  There is 
always a spot for Mr. Headley running back punts.

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> As a member of the "'70's" generation, I must speak up about the Wide
> Receiver/Tight End slots.  On the terrific, second in the BT, teams from 
> 1970 and
> 1971 we had a terrific group of pass-catchers:  Flanker Barry  Pearson 
> (whom I
> believe played for the Steelers); Split End Jim Lash (who  played for the
> Vikings); and Tight End Steve Lash (who also played for the  "Purple 
> People
> Eaters" up in Minny-land).
>
> I also recall we had some very good DB's, including, of course, Rick
> Telander (but he was not the best of that bunch).  Maybe my old friend 
> Mark  Ament or
> others of that time period can refresh my failing recollection as to  who
> those DB's were.
>
> Paul Levinson
>
>
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Oct 17 12:41:54 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct 17 12:35:20 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <c0a.22342689.3447a362@aol.com>

You missed much in 1970, when we finished 6-1 in the Big Ten and tied for  
second place with Michigan.  We would have gone to Pasadena if Bo could  have 
beaten Woody in the season ending game between tOSU and U of M.
 
Similarly, in 1971 we again finished second in the Big Ten.   Then the late, 
great Alex Agase left for the (not so) greener pastures of  West Lafayette, 
Indiana, to be replaced by the non-legendary John Pont, who as  NU's Bizarro 
"Moses" led us into the Wilderness for many, many years to  come. 
 
Paul Levinson



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From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 13:41:39 2007
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Wed Oct 17 13:34:00 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
In-Reply-To: <c0a.22342689.3447a362@aol.com>
Message-ID: <995357.11609.qm@web33113.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I think we've got to include Steve Schnur on the list. His raw numbers
pale in comparison to many other NU QBs, but he was as tough a QB as
I've seen, and his W-L record says it all.

Tom

From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Wed Oct 17 14:02:25 2007
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Wed Oct 17 13:54:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
In-Reply-To: <000901c810df$e60d1e70$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
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On 10/17/07, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I have also seen websites that tout Deante Battle as all-conference, but I
> haven't seen that performance from him yet.


Unfortunately, I think Deante Battle has been Colby/Browned.  After four
years of being taught by those complete morons, he can no longer tackle
without giving up many yards after catch, he's slower than the other three
DBs on the field (the two safeties and Sherrick), and he is consistently out
of position, making it really, really easy for opposing quarterbacks to pass
all day on him.  He also has a scary propensity towards giving up the big
play.

Or, so it seems from inside the stadium.  Maybe he looks all-world on TV.
Or on paper.  To me, he's become a liability.

Thoughts?

J

p.s.  on a positive note, Sherrick McManis is playing pretty well over on
the other side of the defensive backfield, at least to my untrained eyes.
From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Oct 17 14:51:00 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct 17 14:44:33 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <cb0.1ec3a89a.3447c1a4@aol.com>

I don't think it adds to the level of discourse and support for our program  
to refer to Messrs. Colby and Brown as "those morons".  While we may wish  for 
more defensive prowess, why are we sinking to this level?  Are we now  going 
to mimic some of the brain-damaged fanatics at the notorious "Football  
Factories" in terms of how we deal with our program and our school?  I  would assume 
that Mike and Roy, who have always sought to elevate our dialogue  and who 
have maintained this List at a high level over the years, would  certainly agree
 
Paul Levinson



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From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Oct 17 14:55:07 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct 17 14:48:39 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <bf6.212025c5.3447c29b@aol.com>

Good call, Tim.   He was a winner, and a great representative of  the school, 
and gave all of us some thrills we will never forget.
 
Paul Levinson



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 17 14:58:10 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Oct 17 14:50:30 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
In-Reply-To: <001001c810ce$f43af0f0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <103720.83948.qm@web52909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Here is one to chew on.  I did not include Otto

Fun topic!:) Granted, I don't have as much experience
as a purple-clad fan as some vets on the list, but
here's my two cents.

First off, we may lack the big NFL alums, but looking
over the list, NU has produced a steady line of LBs
and RBs in recent years whose college feats and heart
rival the big boys, even if their NFL potential does
not.

> All-time Cat Football Team (+reserves)
> 
> QB                   Brett Basanez

Hard to argue Baz or Lenny, but a QB's job is to lead
the team to victory and by that measure, Steve Schnur
has to be on the list. Ditto for Zak Kustok.

> RB                   Noah Herron
>                         Darnell Autry
>                         Damien Anderson
>                         Tyrell Sutton

Not a bad stable there ... I always wonder what might
have been had Darnell decided to stay. Oh well. Jason
Wright wasn't too bad either, and now he's getting a
shot with the Browns - Go Jason!

> FB                   Matt Hartl

'Nuff said. The heart and soul of the Rose Bowl team
and a heck of a smart and gritty football player.

> WR                  D'Wayne Bates
>                         Lee Gissendaner
>                         Sam Simmons

Bates was probably our best skills position pro
prospect during the modern (i.e. winning) era. He was
just a natural. You could see it the first time he was
on the field in practice. We've had other natural
talents at WR who never materialized (Witherspoon for
one), though, so Bates had the brains and work ethic
as well.

I know you have Musso on special teams, but he was a
great receiver over the middle as well. Plus we've had
some other fun wideouts recently - Schweighardt, Lane,
Peterman, Kunle Patrick, etc.

> TE                   Cas Banaszek

Sadly, we never seem to use the tight end like
Michigan or Miami have.

> OL                   Chris Hinton

Hard to argue with any here. Good list of OL as well.

> DL                   Barry Cofield

Hopefully we can add Wootten to this list in a couple
years. He has the talent to get there.

> LB                   Pat Fitzgerald
>                         Tim McGarigle
>                         Napoleon Harris
>                         Kevin Bentley
>                         Barry Gardner
>                         Tim Scharf
>                         Steve Shine

Linebacker U? Great group, plus Sutter, Silva, Durr,
Emmerich and more!

> DB                   Harold Blackmon
>                         Hudhaifa Ismaeli
>                         Phil Clark
>                         Irv Cross
>                         Chris Martin
>                         William Bennett

Decent group - hopefully McManis is another one we can
add. Ismaeli was a heck of an athlete and Martin and
Bennett were smart. Nice to see Martin doing well on
the BTN.

> P                      Paul Burton

Amazing.

> K                     Tim Long
>                         Brian Gowins

I'd throw in Valenzisi as well ... as long as he
doesn't celebrate touchbacks anymore. :)

> ST                   Steve Tasker
>                         Jason Wright
>                         Brian Musso

Gissendander belongs here as well. Remember when we
had returners who could break it at any time? Can we
get back to that, please!

> Coach              Ara Parseghian

Sorry, but Barnett's gotta be here. He promised the
Purple in Pasadena and delivered - Ara didn't. Yeah,
both bolted, but Ara went to the Evil Empire.

I'd also list Walker - the only NU coach with wins
over every Big Ten school. He loved being on the
sidelines in Evanston and wasn't looking elsewhere and
he was building a foundation of consistent success
that is hopefully continuing this year.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Oct 17 15:47:42 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct 17 15:41:15 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <d27.163d03ef.3447ceee@aol.com>

Thank you, Stephen, for adding Coach Walker to the list.  You summed  up his 
"era" perfectly.  He deserves that respect and that place in the  pantheon of 
'Cat coaches.  
 
Permit me to nominate someone I mentioned in an earlier post for at least  
"Honorable Mention" in the coaching category--Alex Agase.  He led us to  
successive winning seasons (Both 7-4 if memory serves and 6-1 in the  Conference), 
and a win over tOSU in '70 and '71, and was preceded and followed  by "Dark 
Ages" of NU football.  And from everything I have heard about him,  he was a class 
act.
 
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From michael.vance at att.net  Wed Oct 17 21:26:00 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Wed Oct 17 21:18:47 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
In-Reply-To: <20071017.111233.21548.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>
References: <20071017.111233.21548.0@webmail21.dca.untd.com>
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mlinhardt@netzero.net wrote:
> I put stars(****) besides my additions.
>
> FB                   Matt Hartl
> **** Bob Christian
>   

Bob played tailback in college.  It wasn't until the pros that he was 
moved to fullback.

> WR                  D'Wayne Bates
>
>                         Lee Gissendaner
>
>                         Paul Flatley
>
>                         Curtis Duncan
>
>                         Sam Simmons
>
>                         Richard Buchanan
>
>  
>
> TE                   Cas Banaszek
>   

We used the the tight end quite frequently and effectively under 
Barnett.  I still remember Darren Drexler rumbling downfield with three 
defenders hanging on his back after catching a pass over the middle.  
I'd have to add him to the list.  Other than that, I'd have to pull out 
an older media guide from when we separated receiving records for tight 
ends.

> OL                   Chris Hinton
>
>                         Jack Rudnay
>
>                         Matt O'Dwyer
>
>                         Austin King
>
>                         Zach Strief
>
>                         Trai Essex
>
>                         Darryl Ashmore
>
>                         Fate Echols
>
>                         Dylan Thiry
> **** Rob Johnson - much higher GPA than I graduated with and a harder tech major Bio Med
>   

What about Matt Ulrich?  He was only recently cut by the Colts.  Never 
got much pro PT, but was one of our best while in school.

> DL                   Barry Cofield
>
>                         Luis Castillo
>
>                         Dwayne Missouri
>
>                         Casey Dailey
>
>                         Mike Baum
>
>                         Matt Rice
>  
>
> LB                   Pat Fitzgerald
>
>                         Tim McGarigle
>
>                         Napoleon Harris
>
>                         Kevin Bentley
>
>                         Barry Gardner
>
>                         Tim Scharf
>
>                         Steve Shine
>   

You could make room for more of the LBs that have been mentioned if you 
move Napo to Defensive End, where he played his senior season.  Alright, 
he was out of position and was a much better LB than he ever was a DE, 
but it would balance things out a bit.

Just my $.02.

-Michael

From WildElk2 at aol.com  Wed Oct 17 21:50:39 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct 17 21:44:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <cff.19ee5047.344823ff@aol.com>

Not many arguments with the All Cat Teams, but as far as hard  hitting Cats, 
maybe Fred Williamson would qualify; I don't know since my cat  pedigree 
started in 1978.
   Without question, the hardest hitting Cat I've seen was...not  even 
close...Louis Ayeni, who played under Walk circa.1998-2003.  Huddy  didn't hit like 
him, William Bennant, Bryan Heinz, Fitz, no one would would  deliver a hit 
like Louis.
   Despite wrecked knees and a changed position (he ran for over  100 yards 
vs. Illinois once) , he played hard, and even warranted a look by  
Indianapolis. His knees slowed him down, but this is one Cat fan I will not  forget the 
ferocity he brought to our secondary.  He'd rather clobber a WR  rather than 
intercept!
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Thu Oct 18 07:22:43 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Thu Oct 18 07:17:32 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Missouri in the Big Ten?
Message-ID: <20071018.072243.1017.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>

http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/EyeoTheStorm/2007/10/17/NCAA_Conference_Dominos

According to a Tampa Bay Fox affliate(WTF a FL TV station knowing about Big Ten activity) the Big Ten is making overatures to Missouri to join as the 12th team.

Positives
* Existing rival for Illinois
* Geographically within the conference -- we have existing schools farther west(MN) and near on the south side(IN).
* Some rivalry with Iowa
* Decent balance between football and basketball abilities
* Primary school in the state vs. Iowa State, Pitt, or Syracuse

Negatives
* Not a high prestige school ala Notre Shame
* Not regarded as a strong academic school vs. Syracuse or Notre Shame

For expansion I still think we wait for the shame to change their mind as they are the only school that truly fits -- geographically, athletically, and academically.

Also if tOSU runs the table and makes the title game why risk a shot at the football title by having a championship game.  That is more important than a few dollars.
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From ddave at nusports.com  Thu Oct 18 07:44:49 2007
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Thu Oct 18 07:38:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <20071018054449.A71FEF1B@resin18.mta.everyone.net>

others to consider for the list...

Scott Yelvington (WR) and Steve Craig (TE) who didn't get some big yardage numbers (played in those lean 1974-1976 seasons).

Also, at S/DB Pete Shaw, same era.




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Cc:
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 22:50:39 EDT

Not many arguments with the All Cat Teams, but as far as hard  hitting Cats, 
maybe Fred Williamson would qualify; I don't know since my cat  pedigree 
started in 1978.
   Without question, the hardest hitting Cat I've seen was...not  even 
close...Louis Ayeni, who played under Walk circa.1998-2003.  Huddy  didn't hit like 
him, William Bennant, Bryan Heinz, Fitz, no one would would  deliver a hit 
like Louis.
   Despite wrecked knees and a changed position (he ran for over  100 yards 
vs. Illinois once) , he played hard, and even warranted a look by  
Indianapolis. His knees slowed him down, but this is one Cat fan I will not  forget the 
ferocity he brought to our secondary.  He'd rather clobber a WR  rather than 
intercept!
   Good  discussion!            GO  CATS!!!             ERIC



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From RWaldele at nyiso.com  Thu Oct 18 08:03:19 2007
From: RWaldele at nyiso.com (RWaldele@nyiso.com)
Date: Thu Oct 18 07:57:00 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
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i'll second the Agase nomination.
and how about the placekicker from that era -- Bill Planicek (sp?)

did anyone mention Telander?




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Thank you, Stephen, for adding Coach Walker to the list.  You summed  up 
his 
"era" perfectly.  He deserves that respect and that place in the  pantheon 
of 
'Cat coaches. 
 
Permit me to nominate someone I mentioned in an earlier post for at least 
"Honorable Mention" in the coaching category--Alex Agase.  He led us to 
successive winning seasons (Both 7-4 if memory serves and 6-1 in the 
Conference), 
and a win over tOSU in '70 and '71, and was preceded and followed  by 
"Dark 
Ages" of NU football.  And from everything I have heard about him,  he was 
a class 
act.
 
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Date: Thu Oct 18 08:16:14 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
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I did.  I forgot about Planicek--he was good.

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i'll second the Agase nomination. and how about the placekicker from that era -- Bill Planicek (sp?)  did anyone mention Telander?      NEONRye@aol.com Sent by: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 10/17/2007 04:47 PM  To sjtruog@yahoo.com, nwu-sports@tssi.com  cc  Subject Re: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team      Thank you, Stephen, for adding Coach Walker to the list. ?You summed ?up his  "era" perfectly. ?He deserves that respect and that place in the ?pantheon of  'Cat coaches. ?  Permit me to nominate someone I mentioned in an earlier post for at least ? "Honorable Mention" in the coaching category--Alex Agase. ?He led us to ? successive winning seasons (Both 7-4 if memory serves and 6-1 in the ?Conference),  and a win over tOSU in '70 and '71, and was preceded and followed ?by "Dark  Ages" of NU football. ?And from everything I have heard about him, ?he was a class  act.  Paul Levinson    ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ nwu-sports site list nwu-sports@tssi.com http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports  
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From JHCCLARK at aol.com  Thu Oct 18 08:26:24 2007
From: JHCCLARK at aol.com (JHCCLARK@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct 18 08:22:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
Message-ID: <02046AEE.3922C540.006D6456@aol.com>

I haven't seen a lot of recruiting talk on the list, so feel free to tell me (not "flame" me) if recruiting talk is "to be avoided".

I just saw on Scout that our 2008 tally went from 10 to 9.  Whom did we lose?

From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Oct 18 08:47:11 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Oct 18 08:40:45 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
References: <OF477D7AF6.D832F28B-ON85257378.00475D26-85257378.0047B695@nyiso.com>
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> did anyone mention Telander?

I try hard never to mention Rick Telander's name without "that damn" in 
front of it. 

From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 18 08:50:30 2007
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Thu Oct 18 08:42:53 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Missouri in the Big Ten?
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Interesting, but seems really far-fetched.  I can see the benefit to the Big
Ten (primarily, the St.Louis & Kansas City media markets) but can't figure
out what Mizzou would get out of this.  Their rivalry with Kansas is much
stronger than with Illinois, so they'd have to find a way to preserve that
going forward.  And this rivalry is much more steeped in basketball, a sport
where a rivalary is even harder to sustain out of conference.



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Subject: [NU Sports] Missouri in the Big Ten?


http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/EyeoTheStorm/2007/10/17/NCAA_Conference
_Dominos

According to a Tampa Bay Fox affliate(WTF a FL TV station knowing about Big
Ten activity) the Big Ten is making overatures to Missouri to join as the
12th team.

Positives
* Existing rival for Illinois
* Geographically within the conference -- we have existing schools farther
west(MN) and near on the south side(IN).
* Some rivalry with Iowa
* Decent balance between football and basketball abilities
* Primary school in the state vs. Iowa State, Pitt, or Syracuse

Negatives
* Not a high prestige school ala Notre Shame
* Not regarded as a strong academic school vs. Syracuse or Notre Shame

For expansion I still think we wait for the shame to change their mind as
they are the only school that truly fits -- geographically, athletically,
and academically.

Also if tOSU runs the table and makes the title game why risk a shot at the
football title by having a championship game.  That is more important than a
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From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Thu Oct 18 08:56:43 2007
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct 18 08:50:05 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <d36.161f9a7b.3448c01b@aol.com>

I was trying to find Sam Valenzisi's career stats but couldn't find them. I  
know he was automatic in 94 and 95 until he got injured. Just another  name.
Rodney Ray also at DB
Also another name from a bad team Willie Lindsey a DB
Mark Benson @ WR
Chris Gamble @ WR
 
I really liked that 92 or 93 team with "Lenny and the Jets". That was the  
year they beat BC and lost a heartbreaker that really sent the season into a  
downward spin. I think it was a loss to Minny or Wake Forest when Sam Valenzisi  
hit a last second field goal and the refs didn't count it because time  
expired
"Lenny and the Jets"
Len Williams
Pat Wright
Mike Senters
Lee Gissendaner
Chris Gamble



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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Thu Oct 18 09:03:05 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Thu Oct 18 08:56:03 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Missouri in the Big Ten?
In-Reply-To: <001701c8118d$d89b5aa0$0501a8c0@Sauron>
References: <20071018.072243.1017.0@webmail07.dca.untd.com>
	<001701c8118d$d89b5aa0$0501a8c0@Sauron>
Message-ID: <4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0C0100F013@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>

"Speculation Alert"

I have nothing to base this on other than observation of the market.

I think that this is play to get ND into the BT once and for all.

Givens:
1. The world is moving inexorably to some sort of college playoff format.   
2. There is a lot of money and appears to be athletic benefit to a conference
championship game (witness poor post season performance by BT teams).
3. The BT needs to add another team to start to move to a divisional format
that would support a championship game.
4. ND's independent football status is most vulnerable when they are unranked
because they "need" the BT games on their schedule more than the BT needs
them.

What better time than now to force ND's hand than to threaten to add a
twelfth team and permanently close ND's opportunity to participate?

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Arthur Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:51 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Missouri in the Big Ten?

Interesting, but seems really far-fetched.  I can see the benefit to the Big
Ten (primarily, the St.Louis & Kansas City media markets) but can't figure
out what Mizzou would get out of this.  Their rivalry with Kansas is much
stronger than with Illinois, so they'd have to find a way to preserve that
going forward.  And this rivalry is much more steeped in basketball, a sport
where a rivalary is even harder to sustain out of conference.



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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Missouri in the Big Ten?


http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/EyeoTheStorm/2007/10/17/NCAA_Conference
_Dominos

According to a Tampa Bay Fox affliate(WTF a FL TV station knowing about Big
Ten activity) the Big Ten is making overatures to Missouri to join as the
12th team.

Positives
* Existing rival for Illinois
* Geographically within the conference -- we have existing schools farther
west(MN) and near on the south side(IN).
* Some rivalry with Iowa
* Decent balance between football and basketball abilities
* Primary school in the state vs. Iowa State, Pitt, or Syracuse

Negatives
* Not a high prestige school ala Notre Shame
* Not regarded as a strong academic school vs. Syracuse or Notre Shame

For expansion I still think we wait for the shame to change their mind as
they are the only school that truly fits -- geographically, athletically, and
academically.

Also if tOSU runs the table and makes the title game why risk a shot at the
football title by having a championship game.  That is more important than a
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Oct 18 09:35:33 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Oct 18 09:26:37 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Recruiting
In-Reply-To: <02046AEE.3922C540.006D6456@aol.com>
References: <02046AEE.3922C540.006D6456@aol.com>
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I was as surprised as the rest of you when I ran CSTV's listing and only saw 9
names. I also haven't seen anything about a commit changing his mind, altho
there might be one who couldn't get in.

rsl

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> 
> I haven't seen a lot of recruiting talk on the list, so feel free to tell
> me (not "flame" me) if recruiting talk is "to be avoided".
> 
> I just saw on Scout that our 2008 tally went from 10 to 9.  Whom did we
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Thu Oct 18 09:43:26 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Thu Oct 18 09:38:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Missouri in the Big Ten?
Message-ID: <20071018.094326.17736.2@webmail19.dca.untd.com>

Good catch this is a lot more plausible than Missouri.

I was afraid that adding Missouri would force Notre Shame to fully join the Big East.  The shame would have no other choice once their best suitor is at 12 teams.  Similar to people at a multiplex panicking when the most popular movie sells out and buying tickets for whatever crap is still available.

-- "Jeff Beamsley" <jeff.beamsley@hilgraeve.com> wrote:
"Speculation Alert"

I have nothing to base this on other than observation of the market.

I think that this is play to get ND into the BT once and for all.

Givens:
1. The world is moving inexorably to some sort of college playoff format.   
2. There is a lot of money and appears to be athletic benefit to a conference
championship game (witness poor post season performance by BT teams).
3. The BT needs to add another team to start to move to a divisional format
that would support a championship game.
4. ND's independent football status is most vulnerable when they are unranked
because they "need" the BT games on their schedule more than the BT needs
them.

What better time than now to force ND's hand than to threaten to add a
twelfth team and permanently close ND's opportunity to participate?

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Arthur Miller
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:51 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Missouri in the Big Ten?

Interesting, but seems really far-fetched.  I can see the benefit to the Big
Ten (primarily, the St.Louis & Kansas City media markets) but can't figure
out what Mizzou would get out of this.  Their rivalry with Kansas is much
stronger than with Illinois, so they'd have to find a way to preserve that
going forward.  And this rivalry is much more steeped in basketball, a sport
where a rivalary is even harder to sustain out of conference.



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Behalf Of mlinhardt@netzero.net
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:23 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Missouri in the Big Ten?


http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/EyeoTheStorm/2007/10/17/NCAA_Conference
_Dominos

According to a Tampa Bay Fox affliate(WTF a FL TV station knowing about Big
Ten activity) the Big Ten is making overatures to Missouri to join as the
12th team.

Positives
* Existing rival for Illinois
* Geographically within the conference -- we have existing schools farther
west(MN) and near on the south side(IN).
* Some rivalry with Iowa
* Decent balance between football and basketball abilities
* Primary school in the state vs. Iowa State, Pitt, or Syracuse

Negatives
* Not a high prestige school ala Notre Shame
* Not regarded as a strong academic school vs. Syracuse or Notre Shame

For expansion I still think we wait for the shame to change their mind as
they are the only school that truly fits -- geographically, athletically, and
academically.

Also if tOSU runs the table and makes the title game why risk a shot at the
football title by having a championship game.  That is more important than a
few dollars. _____________________________________________________________
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Thu Oct 18 09:46:34 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Thu Oct 18 09:40:55 2007
Subject: Fw: RE: Re: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <20071018.094634.17736.3@webmail19.dca.untd.com>

It was MSU when they missed the FG.  I gave Len crap about that for years, including when I interviewed him for a job at Motorola.

Maureen Linhardt
Tech '93

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
I was trying to find Sam Valenzisi's career stats but couldn't find them. I know he was automatic in 94 and 95 until he got injured. Just another  name.
Rodney Ray also at DB
Also another name from a bad team Willie Lindsey a DB
Mark Benson @ WR
Chris Gamble @ WR
 
I really liked that 92 or 93 team with "Lenny and the Jets". That was the  year they beat BC and lost a heartbreaker that really sent the season into a  downward spin. I think it was a loss to Minny or Wake Forest when Sam Valenzisi  hit a last second field goal and the refs didn't count it because time  expired
"Lenny and the Jets"
Len Williams
Pat Wright
Mike Senters
Lee Gissendaner
Chris Gamble
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Oct 18 11:39:21 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Oct 18 11:32:55 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Missouri in the Big Ten?
References: <20071018.094326.17736.2@webmail19.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <001301c811a5$6ffdf710$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

I have a better idea.  Put both Missouri and Notre Dumb in the Big Ten and 
drop Penn State.  Believe me, few Penn State fans would cry about it.  They 
just are not a Big Ten team.  They are a Big East team, a conference they 
would not likely dominate this season given the presence of West Virginia, 
Rutgers, South Florida, and Louisville.  Their moving to the Big Ten cost 
them some old rivalry games such as Pitt, Maryland, Boston College, the 
aforementioned West Virginia, their one-time nemesis, Syracuse, and the 
possibility of starting a new rivalry with Rutgers.  (I'll refrain from 
mentioning Temple.)  Bring the Nittany Lions back east where they belong. 

From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Thu Oct 18 11:45:33 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Thu Oct 18 11:40:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <20071018.114533.14638.1@webmail17.dca.untd.com>

http://hailtopurple.com/cde/history.pdf

In 1991-92 the only close games we lost at home were:
October 5, 1991 we lost to Purdue by 3 -- 14-17
October 31, 1992 we lost to Michigan State by 1 -- 26-27
We did not play Minnesota either 1991 or 1992.
We played WF in 1991, but beat them 41-14

We did play Minnesota at home on October 16, 1993 and lost 26-28.  
We beat WF by 12 in 1993.  We owned WF until 1996.

Looking at the results we lost to MSU by 3 in 1991, 1 in 1992, and 2 in 1993.  Soooooo close vs. our freshman year(1989) MSU 76 our cats 14.

I agree with Maureen in regards to MSU, but either way Len was so close to being the program savior vs. letting his backup(Schnur) have that honor.

Marc Linhardt
Tech '93
-- "Evans Schoeman" <eschoeman@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Maureen,

I believe it was Minnesota...pretty dreary day, if I recall.  The kick was
good, but the officials waved it off.

Best regards.

Evans

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It was MSU when they missed the FG.  I gave Len crap about that for years,
including when I interviewed him for a job at Motorola.

Maureen Linhardt
Tech '93

---------- Forwarded Message ----------
I was trying to find Sam Valenzisi's career stats but couldn't find them. I
know he was automatic in 94 and 95 until he got injured. Just another  name.
Rodney Ray also at DB
Also another name from a bad team Willie Lindsey a DB
Mark Benson @ WR
Chris Gamble @ WR
 
I really liked that 92 or 93 team with "Lenny and the Jets". That was the
year they beat BC and lost a heartbreaker that really sent the season into a
downward spin. I think it was a loss to Minny or Wake Forest when Sam
Valenzisi  hit a last second field goal and the refs didn't count it because
time  expired
"Lenny and the Jets"
Len Williams
Pat Wright
Mike Senters
Lee Gissendaner
Chris Gamble
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From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Thu Oct 18 11:48:33 2007
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct 18 11:42:13 2007
Subject: Fw: RE: Re: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <d43.14de0643.3448e861@aol.com>

Yes Michigan State they missed a kick that was on Halloween day.
But a few weeks earlier Len hit I believe Giss or Gamble and the field goal  
unit ran on the field and the kick was good but it didn't  count



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 18 13:56:47 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Oct 18 13:49:04 2007
Subject: Fw: RE: Re: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
In-Reply-To: <d43.14de0643.3448e861@aol.com>
Message-ID: <217.20480.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Yes Michigan State they missed a kick that was on
> Halloween day.

We may be talking different games here. 1993 Minnesota
was the dreary, foggy, 2-point loss on a FG that was
good but not called. MSU was a road game in 1993.

GO CATS!!!
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 18 14:05:23 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Oct 18 13:57:40 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Missouri in the Big Ten?
In-Reply-To: <001301c811a5$6ffdf710$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <145281.8754.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> markets) but can't figure
> out what Mizzou would get out of this.  Their

Mizzou would get a lot out of the deal in terms of
academic reputation with the Big Ten (same reason ND's
faculty voted to join the league). Plus, it's the
worst kept secret in conference land that the Big XII
north feels like second class schools in their own
conference. Mizzou would benefit academically,
athletically in most sports as well as in visibility.

> rivalry with Kansas is much
> stronger than with Illinois, so they'd have to find
> a way to preserve that
> going forward.  And this rivalry is much more
> steeped in basketball, a sport
> where a rivalary is even harder to sustain out of
> conference.

Really? I'd think it would be easier. In football, you
only have a limited number of NC games (see PSU and
Pitt dropping their rivalry), but in basketball you
could schedule a huge annual Mizzou-KU game virtually
any time every year.

> I have a better idea.  Put both Missouri and Notre
> Dumb in the Big Ten and 
> drop Penn State.  Believe me, few Penn State fans
> would cry about it.  They 

I'm not so sure. PSU sure fits in the Big Ten better
than OSU and their fans seem to like the arrangement
aside from that stupid school in Maize and Blue who
keeps beating them in football every year.

Joining the Big Ten has certainly been a boost to
PSU's academic and athletic departments and I think
they fit in pretty well. Sure some rivalries died, but
the Big East is such a wildly spread-out conference
and they would suffer from joining that league in
rivary and visibility.

How about the Big Ten just go hog-wild and nearly
double in size? You keep the Big Ten name with two
divisions of ten in the east and west. Everyone plays
everyone in their division and there's a huge title
game at the end of the year. :) Sure, we'd have to
pillage the Big East and Big XII, but who cares?!?!

East: Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State,
Cincinnati, Penn State, Pittsburgh, Indiana, Purdue,
Notre Dame, Syracuse

West: Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota,
Iowa, Iowa State, Nebraska, Missouri, Kansas, Kansas
State

Just kidding, of course, although ...

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From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Thu Oct 18 14:32:36 2007
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Thu Oct 18 14:25:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Missouri in the Big Ten?
In-Reply-To: <145281.8754.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <001301c811a5$6ffdf710$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
	<145281.8754.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c811bd$a3bef0f0$6400a8c0@Latitude>

In terms of markets, Mizzou doesn't add much.
First choice: add ND.
Second choice: add ND, BC & Syracuse  (yes, two 7-team divisions) -  puts a
lock on the populated NE market along with the already locked-up Midwest
market.

While were at it, add Texas and Colorado to the Pac-10.  Then let the
champion of each play in the Rose.  


From michael.vance at att.net  Thu Oct 18 22:27:04 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Thu Oct 18 22:19:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Iowa game tix available
Message-ID: <47182408.30708@att.net>

Yes, I probably need to sell my tickets to yet another game.  This time, 
the Iowa game on 11/3.  Not 100% sure yet, but I'd like to see if anyone 
is interested now so that if it happens (and it probably will), I can 
get the tickets out to you without having to overnight them.  I should 
know for sure within the next few days.

As always, these are 50-yard-line seats on the east side, Section 108, 
Row 39, right in the middle of the section.  You walk out of the 
concourse tunnel and walk down the row.  You don't even have to go up or 
down the stairs.  The seats have seatbacks.  A west lot parking pass is 
also available.

Asking face value ($89 for the whole package, including the parking), 
but will entertain reasonable offers.  Respond off-list, please.

-Michael

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Oct 19 02:14:58 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Oct 19 02:08:33 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Yanks
Message-ID: <cfb.1ce96198.3449b372@aol.com>

Does Joe Girardi get the job? 



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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Oct 19 06:32:20 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Oct 19 06:23:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Yanks
In-Reply-To: <cfb.1ce96198.3449b372@aol.com>
References: <cfb.1ce96198.3449b372@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c81243$b6130df0$223929d0$@com>

Wasn't that why he turned down the Orioles?

rsl

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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Fri Oct 19 08:08:10 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Fri Oct 19 08:01:01 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Yanks
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I think this job is going to go to Tony LaRussa, but not without some tough
negotiating on the deal.

Jeff


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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Oct 19 08:20:23 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Oct 19 08:13:33 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Yanks
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Don't count out Don Mattingly, despite his lack of managerial experience his
name is thrown out a lot and he's been groomed for the position.

Jonathan

On 10/19/07, Jeff Beamsley <jeff.beamsley@hilgraeve.com> wrote:
>
> I think this job is going to go to Tony LaRussa, but not without some
> tough
> negotiating on the deal.
>
> Jeff
>
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Oct 19 08:33:10 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Oct 19 08:26:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Yanks
References: <cfb.1ce96198.3449b372@aol.com><4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0C0100F0AA@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>
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Anyone who considers working for George Steinbrenner should be put into a 
strait-jacket and locked in a rubber-lined room.  He will eventually get 
there anyway.  If Tony LaRussa is smart, he'll stay right where he is.  Don 
Mattingly is a lifetime Yankee, so he might not be as smart. 

From hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Oct 19 09:26:37 2007
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Oct 19 09:22:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Yanks
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While I suspect that is why he turned down the Oriole job, the question is did the Yankess have an understanding with Giradi to hire him after Torree was gone at the end of '07 (assuming they wouldnt win the WS this year)?? Doubtful--they did offer Torree a 1 year contract, which I suspect if Giradi had known that in advance, he would have excepted the Oriole job

Still my bet is that they hire Joe over Mattingly--experience counts for a lot with?the Yankees and they know they would have a good one with Joe even if he isn't as popular as Mattingly--What he did with the Fish was terrific and his leadership skills?as captain of the Cubs also must weigh in--(Wonder if George's assisatant?coaching tenure for NU football will have an influence??? !!!--LOL)

Harry








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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Fri Oct 19 11:04:45 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Fri Oct 19 10:57:37 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Yanks
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I agree with you.  The Yanks showed their true colors yet again in their
shabby send-off of Torre.

However, you have to take ego into account here.  Tony LaRussa has a lot of
it.  He wants to go down in history as the best baseball manager ever.  He
has been angling for this job for a long time.  Now that the opportunity is
here, this is his last mountain to climb.  He won in Chicago. He won in
Oakland. He won in St. Louis.  His swan song is going to be winning the WS in
New York on the biggest baseball stage in the world.  

The timing couldn't be better.  The team is going to be rebuilt.  The Yanks
showed this year that they have enough good young talent to build a team
around.  LaRussa will continue to have an unlimited budget AND they are going
to have a new stadium.  Don't think for a minute that LaRussa doesn't get a
little wood every time he thinks about being the first manager to lead the
Yankees to a WS championship in the new ballpark.  

Also the game is changing toward more of a National league model with small
ball (pitching, speed, and defense) proving to be a better strategy that
big-inning baseball.  LaRussa has proven he knows how to win with that model.


Mattingly is clearly their manager in waiting, but he has already said that
he doesn't think that he is ready now to take on the job.  He's been in
organization long enough to know that it's going to take a year or two to get
this team rebuilt to where they are going to be competitive.  The new stadium
is scheduled to open in 2009, so the timing for LaRussa is great.  He
rebuilds the team.  They open the new stadium.  He leads them to the WS.
He'll turn 65 that year.  He maybe manages another year or so, turns the
reins over the Mattingly who will be in his early 50's (Torre was 56 when he
took over), and rides off into the sunset and into the hall of fame as the
greatest baseball manager ever.

Does this all mean it is going to happen?  I don't know.  It is really hard
to predict situations where the room is too small to hold all of the egos.
But the entrails definitely point out the possibilities.

Jeff




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From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
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Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:33 AM
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Anyone who considers working for George Steinbrenner should be put into a
strait-jacket and locked in a rubber-lined room.  He will eventually get
there anyway.  If Tony LaRussa is smart, he'll stay right where he is.  Don
Mattingly is a lifetime Yankee, so he might not be as smart. 

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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Oct 19 11:40:09 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Oct 19 11:32:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Yanks
Message-ID: <101920071640.6818.4718DDE9000082CD00001AA22215586394090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Let us hope that the Yankees finish dead last under whoever the new manager is. Maybe some of the players whose option have run out will go play somewhere else.  My Detroit Tigers could use a couple of them.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jeff Beamsley" <jeff.beamsley@hilgraeve.com>
> I agree with you.  The Yanks showed their true colors yet again in their
> shabby send-off of Torre.
> 
> However, you have to take ego into account here.  Tony LaRussa has a lot of
> it.  He wants to go down in history as the best baseball manager ever.  He
> has been angling for this job for a long time.  Now that the opportunity is
> here, this is his last mountain to climb.  He won in Chicago. He won in
> Oakland. He won in St. Louis.  His swan song is going to be winning the WS in
> New York on the biggest baseball stage in the world.  
> 
> The timing couldn't be better.  The team is going to be rebuilt.  The Yanks
> showed this year that they have enough good young talent to build a team
> around.  LaRussa will continue to have an unlimited budget AND they are going
> to have a new stadium.  Don't think for a minute that LaRussa doesn't get a
> little wood every time he thinks about being the first manager to lead the
> Yankees to a WS championship in the new ballpark.  
> 
> Also the game is changing toward more of a National league model with small
> ball (pitching, speed, and defense) proving to be a better strategy that
> big-inning baseball.  LaRussa has proven he knows how to win with that model.
> 
> 
> Mattingly is clearly their manager in waiting, but he has already said that
> he doesn't think that he is ready now to take on the job.  He's been in
> organization long enough to know that it's going to take a year or two to get
> this team rebuilt to where they are going to be competitive.  The new stadium
> is scheduled to open in 2009, so the timing for LaRussa is great.  He
> rebuilds the team.  They open the new stadium.  He leads them to the WS.
> He'll turn 65 that year.  He maybe manages another year or so, turns the
> reins over the Mattingly who will be in his early 50's (Torre was 56 when he
> took over), and rides off into the sunset and into the hall of fame as the
> greatest baseball manager ever.
> 
> Does this all mean it is going to happen?  I don't know.  It is really hard
> to predict situations where the room is too small to hold all of the egos.
> But the entrails definitely point out the possibilities.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:33 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Yanks
> 
> Anyone who considers working for George Steinbrenner should be put into a
> strait-jacket and locked in a rubber-lined room.  He will eventually get
> there anyway.  If Tony LaRussa is smart, he'll stay right where he is.  Don
> Mattingly is a lifetime Yankee, so he might not be as smart. 
> 
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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Fri Oct 19 12:14:32 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Fri Oct 19 12:07:23 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Yanks
In-Reply-To: <101920071640.6818.4718DDE9000082CD00001AA22215586394090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
References: <101920071640.6818.4718DDE9000082CD00001AA22215586394090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
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Actually in a sort of perverse way, I think that the Yankees are good for
baseball - at least the way baseball is played today.

Here's why I say that.

They have proven that this is no longer a game where an unlimited budget can
buy you a championship.  The game is now all about young players,
particularly young pitchers.  So it is much more about having a good farm
system, good scouts, and good instructors.  This levels the playing field for
everyone and small market teams like the Rockies and the Indians have an
opportunity to make investments in their farm system, have some home grown
stars, and play in a WS even though their payroll is 25% of what the Yankees
pay.  But at the same time, these same players still have an opportunity for
a big payday once they have paid their dues and established themselves and
legit big leaguers.

Jeff






-----Original Message-----
From: johnadeg@comcast.net [mailto:johnadeg@comcast.net] 
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:40 PM
To: Jeff Beamsley; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Yanks

Let us hope that the Yankees finish dead last under whoever the new manager
is. Maybe some of the players whose option have run out will go play
somewhere else.  My Detroit Tigers could use a couple of them.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jeff Beamsley" <jeff.beamsley@hilgraeve.com>
> I agree with you.  The Yanks showed their true colors yet again in 
> their shabby send-off of Torre.
> 
> However, you have to take ego into account here.  Tony LaRussa has a 
> lot of it.  He wants to go down in history as the best baseball 
> manager ever.  He has been angling for this job for a long time.  Now 
> that the opportunity is here, this is his last mountain to climb.  He 
> won in Chicago. He won in Oakland. He won in St. Louis.  His swan song 
> is going to be winning the WS in New York on the biggest baseball stage in
the world.
> 
> The timing couldn't be better.  The team is going to be rebuilt.  The 
> Yanks showed this year that they have enough good young talent to 
> build a team around.  LaRussa will continue to have an unlimited 
> budget AND they are going to have a new stadium.  Don't think for a 
> minute that LaRussa doesn't get a little wood every time he thinks 
> about being the first manager to lead the Yankees to a WS championship in
the new ballpark.
> 
> Also the game is changing toward more of a National league model with 
> small ball (pitching, speed, and defense) proving to be a better 
> strategy that big-inning baseball.  LaRussa has proven he knows how to win
with that model.
> 
> 
> Mattingly is clearly their manager in waiting, but he has already said 
> that he doesn't think that he is ready now to take on the job.  He's 
> been in organization long enough to know that it's going to take a 
> year or two to get this team rebuilt to where they are going to be 
> competitive.  The new stadium is scheduled to open in 2009, so the 
> timing for LaRussa is great.  He rebuilds the team.  They open the new
stadium.  He leads them to the WS.
> He'll turn 65 that year.  He maybe manages another year or so, turns 
> the reins over the Mattingly who will be in his early 50's (Torre was 
> 56 when he took over), and rides off into the sunset and into the hall 
> of fame as the greatest baseball manager ever.
> 
> Does this all mean it is going to happen?  I don't know.  It is really 
> hard to predict situations where the room is too small to hold all of the
egos.
> But the entrails definitely point out the possibilities.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] 
> On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 9:33 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Yanks
> 
> Anyone who considers working for George Steinbrenner should be put 
> into a strait-jacket and locked in a rubber-lined room.  He will 
> eventually get there anyway.  If Tony LaRussa is smart, he'll stay 
> right where he is.  Don Mattingly is a lifetime Yankee, so he might not be
as smart.
> 
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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Fri Oct 19 17:16:19 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Fri Oct 19 17:12:13 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <c4d.1fb8dac9.344a86b3@aol.com>

One problem I have with the all-time Cat list is it's not an  all-time list; 
it's 1960's to present.  To not include players like Otto  Graham and Pug 
Rentner, Alex Sarkisian, etc. is forgetting their tremendous  efforts because they 
played years ago.  I'm splitting hairs because  excluding players prior to 
1960, and including "good" players during the Dark  Ages seemed a bit odd.
   Still, a good discussion evaluating players  1960-present.
   EMU- I see NU running the ball , or at least trying to.   I see some an 
old-fashioned Big10-MAC game with our Cats grinding out a  31-23 win.
 
        GO  CATS!!!     Eric 



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From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Fri Oct 19 19:30:34 2007
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Fri Oct 19 19:26:47 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 1st Half
Message-ID: <c6c.1a768c76.344aa62a@aol.com>

Typical Northwestern 1st half against a crappy team.
Can we come out and look any worse.
I guess playing in front of 3,000 doesn't help
 
 



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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Oct 19 21:40:52 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Oct 19 21:36:46 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] where were these guys when we needed them?
Message-ID: <d16.19be0892.344ac4b4@aol.com>

Eastern Michigan: Lost 27 straight between 1980-1982
The Wildcats were in the midst of a 34-game losing streak (the longest in  
Division I-A history) during the 1981 season, when they lost all of their games, 
 getting outscored 505-82*
 
 
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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Fri Oct 19 22:48:00 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Fri Oct 19 22:43:58 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 1st Half
Message-ID: <cea.1db31003.344ad470@aol.com>

6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other.  Before I start whining  how lousy we 
looked, consider: turnovers. NU 4 EMU 1.  Penalties: EMU had  2x the amount, if not 
more. Football101: Whoever has less turnovers and  penalties will usually win.
   Bacher still managed to throw for 360 yards. I was  disappointed that we 
didn't run more. I thought Roberson had a big-time spring  in his step; I 
wished they would have fed him the rock more.
   Bad: I'm lazy tonight (it's Friday) I'll let my fellow list  members take 
care of that. CJ was "off" and we didn't run the ball enough. That  muck I'll 
say.   Still, 5-3.
 
        GO  CATS       Eric



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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Fri Oct 19 23:12:28 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Fri Oct 19 23:08:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 1st Half
Message-ID: <bca.1597f3fe.344ada2c@aol.com>

To my surprise, Conteh ran for over 100 yards.  I still  think Roberson 
looked faster.  Conteh's fumble at the goal line near the  beginning of the 3rd 
period kept EMU in the game.
   And did we notice?- Tyrell Sutton took the field!  I  thought I saw him 
field a punt ?( I watched the game in a loud bar  tonight)  Sure 'nuff: per 
NUsports.com, he did enter the game, so no  red-shirt this year.  Sure is a great 
time to return, as we need to split  these last two games; or win all 4 of 
them!
 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 01:23:59 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Oct 20 01:16:09 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 1st Half
In-Reply-To: <cea.1db31003.344ad470@aol.com>
Message-ID: <942698.25374.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> care of that. CJ was "off" and we didn't run the
> ball enough. That  muck I'll 
> say.   Still, 5-3.
>  
Well, I guess at least CJ saved his off night for this
game.

Didn't get to see it - but it sounded ugly. Sounded a
lot like the Duke game except we managed not to give
it away this time.

And I know they moved the game for TV, but still, bad
idea all around. Moving a game vs. an opponent that
won't travel well out of a MAC stadium to a neutral
site is bad enough for attendance -- but to move it to
a Friday night was just begging for an empty house.

I'm sure we're all still kicking ourselves thinking we
should be 6-2 right now, but all in all, 5-3 isn't too
bad. We need to rest up and prepare for the second
half of the Big Ten slate. All four are winnable, all
four are losable - a split and we're bowling, more and
we get to go somewhere warm. Let's hope CJ and the
offense come back on fire at Purdue and the D can get
some turnovers vs. the Boilers.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Oct 20 09:34:00 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Oct 20 09:26:31 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 1st Half
In-Reply-To: <942698.25374.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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The media coverage was commensurate with the attendance.  I don't know 
where they got those two clowns who called the game, but if you're going 
to call a game that's being shown on ESPN*U*, you should know the 
differences in the rules between college and pro ball.  Was everybody 
else yelling at the screen when they started talking about whether, on 
that late, deep reception by EMU that ended up getting overturned, the 
receiver was pushed out or not?  They admitted, on the air, that they 
didn't know whether that mattered in college (bad), but then kept on 
talking about it like it did (worse).  And apparently no one else in the 
booth or control room corrected them (even worse).

There were numerous other gaffes by these guys, and the sideline 
reporter was horrible, but that one stands out.  By the sound of it, 
they were calling remotely anyway.  Then to top it off, the AP wire 
report (at least the version that made the Indy paper) called Kim 
Thompson "Tim" Thompson.  I guess they couldn't believe that a guy could 
be named Kim.

But we won, and that's the main thing that matters.

-Michael

SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
>> care of that. CJ was "off" and we didn't run the
>> ball enough. That  muck I'll 
>> say.   Still, 5-3.
>>  
>>     
> Well, I guess at least CJ saved his off night for this
> game.
>
> Didn't get to see it - but it sounded ugly. Sounded a
> lot like the Duke game except we managed not to give
> it away this time.
>
> And I know they moved the game for TV, but still, bad
> idea all around. Moving a game vs. an opponent that
> won't travel well out of a MAC stadium to a neutral
> site is bad enough for attendance -- but to move it to
> a Friday night was just begging for an empty house.
>
> I'm sure we're all still kicking ourselves thinking we
> should be 6-2 right now, but all in all, 5-3 isn't too
> bad. We need to rest up and prepare for the second
> half of the Big Ten slate. All four are winnable, all
> four are losable - a split and we're bowling, more and
> we get to go somewhere warm. Let's hope CJ and the
> offense come back on fire at Purdue and the D can get
> some turnovers vs. the Boilers.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 10:16:51 2007
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Oct 20 10:08:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............
Message-ID: <507396.4421.qm@web36811.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

You are among an elite core of true Northwestern fans if you made it through that entire game. Even more so if you spent the time and money to see this barn burner live in lovely downtown Detroit. 

As Cats fans we all know that you take wins where you can get them, but this wasn't a fun game to watch and it should never have been this close. I am going to rationalize this by saying that 'hopefully' CJ and special teams (kick coverage) spent all of their sloppy play in this game and are now ready to play sharp the rest of the way. I hope EMU never returns to our schedule. 

And this game was called by the worst pair of announcers I've seen since watching the Cats play Duke on the Jefferson PIlot network about 10 years ago. I cannot believe they made me miss Pam Ward. A coouple of highlights (all by Jay Taylor I believe) include:

- refering to EMU coach Jeff Genyk and 'Coach Fitzpatrick'
- Noting that EMU had an extra timeout because of the 2-minute warning
- After seeing EMU run a Boise State-style statue of liberty play, he said that the EMU QB showed 'great ball handling skills by moving the ball from his right hand to his left'

But, we are 5-3 and need two more for a bowl trip (perhaps for a return visit to Ford Field). I like our chances against Purdue. The extra day of rest always helps and assuming they beat Iowa they will likely be looking ahead to Penn State a bit. 

Victory & Honor,
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From DPENDERG at aol.com  Sat Oct 20 10:38:53 2007
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 10:34:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............
Message-ID: <d4f.152796b0.344b7b0d@aol.com>

 
That ESPN crew was indeed the worst I have ever seen.  NU (or NW as  ESPN 
loves to label us) does not yet have the respect or standing to get  spotlight 
games or announcing teams.  The way we played last night,  however, made us look 
like we deserved such pitiful, third-string  announcers.  If EMU had not 
committed those penalties and had their veteran  QB instead of a novice freshman, 
this game easily could have been a Duke-like  embarrassment.  After the game, 
Fitz pushed the spin that a W is a  W.  Sure, but playing at the EMU level 
will not beat Purdue, Iowa, Indiana  or Illinois.  I want to think playing better 
competition will raise the  level of the Cat game.  Our secondary and our 
pass rush, however, are  still suspect and 280 passing yards by a kid barely out 
of high school is  inexcusable.  The "real season" begins next week.  I hope 
we're  ready.  
 
 
In a message dated 10/20/2007 11:17:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
jleonard518@yahoo.com writes:

Fellow  Wildcat Faithful,

You are among an elite core of true Northwestern fans  if you made it through 
that entire game. Even more so if you spent the time  and money to see this 
barn burner live in lovely downtown Detroit. 

As  Cats fans we all know that you take wins where you can get them, but this 
 wasn't a fun game to watch and it should never have been this close. I am  
going to rationalize this by saying that 'hopefully' CJ and special teams  
(kick coverage) spent all of their sloppy play in this game and are now ready  to 
play sharp the rest of the way. I hope EMU never returns to our schedule.  

And this game was called by the worst pair of announcers I've seen  since 
watching the Cats play Duke on the Jefferson PIlot network about 10  years ago. I 
cannot believe they made me miss Pam Ward. A coouple of  highlights (all by 
Jay Taylor I believe) include:

- refering to EMU  coach Jeff Genyk and 'Coach Fitzpatrick'
- Noting that EMU had an extra  timeout because of the 2-minute warning
- After seeing EMU run a Boise  State-style statue of liberty play, he said 
that the EMU QB showed 'great ball  handling skills by moving the ball from his 
right hand to his  left'

But, we are 5-3 and need two more for a bowl trip (perhaps for a  return 
visit to Ford Field). I like our chances against Purdue. The extra day  of rest 
always helps and assuming they beat Iowa they will likely be looking  ahead to 
Penn State a bit. 

Victory &  Honor,
Jim

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Oct 20 10:44:13 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 10:40:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............
Message-ID: <caf.1f244352.344b7c4d@aol.com>

Yeah I stayed up for the whole thing, but started watching about 8:30 est  so 
I could dvd my way through the commercials and between plays. Those  
announcers were the worst, and homers, can you imagine interviewing kids on the  
sideline, and getting them to cheer for emu. sheesh



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 12:40:45 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Oct 20 12:32:52 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] One more point on TV coverage ...
Message-ID: <369637.18642.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Today's just another example of why I don't think you
can point to the BTN for hurting the league in the
polls.

But in the middle of Pac 10 country today, on a day
when the Big Ten has more games than usual for the
middle of the conference season, I can find ...

* Michigan @ Illinois - National
* MSU @ Ohio State - National (ESPN2 is mirroring any
where ABC misses for regional)
* Iowa @ Purdue - National
* PSU @ Indiana - National

Plus, if I have satellite, I get two more Big Ten
games as part of the basic package and if I upgrade to
sports tier, I also had NU's game Friday night.

Contrast that with the league everyone agrees is the
strongest - and which gets by far the most love (over
lurve?) in the polls - the SEC. For their games, I
find ...

* Florida @ Kentucky - National
* Auburn @ LSU - National

None others available on sports tier or satellite
basic.

For such big games as Tennessee @ Alabama or to watch
the upset brewing with Vandy @ USC, I need to pay
extra for GamePlan.

So I'm not sure we can blame the BTN for lessening
coverage and hurting us in the polls. It may lead to a
few less NU, IU or Minny games in NYC for fans without
satellite, but it's not keeping us from the pollsters.

I think we're just in a down cycle now where we lost
respect based on last year's BCS. Even though we were
2-1 vs. the SEC on their home turf in last year's
bowls, they're focusing on the Gators-Buckeyes. Then
the AppState loss hurt further.

Is it fair? No. OSU, Michigan, PSU and Illinois should
all be top 25 teams now. Wisky was a legit top 25 team
before injuries. The Bucks have five games left
against teams with a combined 25-10 record, so if they
can run the table, they will have earned that title
game spot. I just dunno if they can make it through
unscathed. Even in a down year, there's still no easy
wins in Big Ten play - just like the SEC.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Oct 20 12:46:49 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 12:42:53 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] One more point on TV coverage ...
Message-ID: <d2b.1981ed75.344b9909@aol.com>

I hear about it all the time, Yankees and other bad people control the  media 
so the SEC and 
ACC get ignored. And that's just in Florida where half the people are  
transplants.



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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 13:50:46 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sat Oct 20 13:42:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] playing tp the level of the opposition ...
Message-ID: <315511.34523.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

..is what this NU team does (except OSU, which is at a
level the 'Cats can't reach).

It's really that simple, I think.

bw

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Oct 20 13:57:48 2007
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 13:53:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Updated Bowl Predictions
Message-ID: <8C9E1623E31543F-994-4BC7@webmail-dd15.sysops.aol.com>

Notwithstanding that we are 1 win away from eligibility and 2 wins away from real consideration, we still get no respect from at least CBSSportsline.com.? Here are the latest Bowl Predictions--updated as of today, but which do not?seem to account for?NU's less-than-resounding triumph last night:

http://www.sportsline.com/collegefootball/bowls/predictions

Everyone in the Big Ten with a current winning record (save for NU) gets a bowl, with Indy going to International Bowl (as a fill-in for Big East) , Mich. St. to Motor City, and, most painfully of all, West Virginia playing Cal in the Rose Bowl.? I am pulling for us to somehow sneak into Champs Sports Bowl, since I will be in Florida from Xmas to New Year's, and Orlando is not that far from where I will be.? But we will probably need to "run the table" for that to happen.? With our painful loss to Duke, it will be an uphill climb to garner an invite anywhere.



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 15:47:06 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Oct 20 15:39:13 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Updated Bowl Predictions
In-Reply-To: <8C9E1623E31543F-994-4BC7@webmail-dd15.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <953822.95382.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Notwithstanding that we are 1 win away from
> eligibility and 2 wins away from real consideration,
> we still get no respect from at least

... or from ESPN. During the PSU-Indiana game, they
had the Big Ten standings up and seemed "shocked" that
NU was a win from bowl eligibility.

But Indiana's gonna be a heck of a team to beat for us
- mobile QB and stud WR really play into our defensive
weaknesses. I think most of the Big Ten will be hoping
Mr. Hardy decides to play on Sundays next year. If I
had to guess at the bowl picture at this point, I'd
say ...

BCS TITLE GAME: LSU (12-1) vs. Oklahoma (12-1)
- No one makes it through unscathed, and OU has the
easiest path of the one-loss teams while LSU emerges
as the winner of the best league to play at home. It
helps that both will have a title game to make one
last case in what should be a wild finish at the
polls.

ROSE BOWL: Ohio State (11-1) vs. Oregon (11-1)
- The Buckeyes lose at PSU but still win the league
and get to play in Pasadena against the winner of the
USC at Oregon - not a bad consolation prize

SUGAR BOWL: Florida (10-3) vs. Hawaii (12-0)
- With their make-up pick for losing LSU, the Sugar
selects another SEC team and winds up stuck with
Hawaii. If the Warriors lose, look for Texas here?

ORANGE BOWL: Virginia Tech (12-1) vs. West Virginia
(11-1)
- When the excitement dies down, these two are the
best teams in the ACC and Big East and they face each
other in what used to be an annual rivalry. Too bad no
one outside of Appalachia cares much.

FIESTA BOWL: Southern Cal (10-2) vs. Penn State (10-2)
- If Oregon wins the Pac 10, the Fiesta gets the
winner of SC-Cal ... only question is where they go
with the other pick. They could keep Big XII ties with
Texas, but a streaking 10-win PSU team brings a lot of
fans.

That leaves the rest ...

CITRUS BOWL: Michigan (8-4) vs. Georgia
- The Wolverines trip up vs. the Bucks and somewhere
else (tonight or more likely at Wisconsin) to slip a
bit here, but still a big draw (and the fact that
Bucky was here last year) gets them selected for
Orlando against whoever emerges from the wild SEC
race.

OUTBACK BOWL: Wisconsin (9-3) vs. South Carolina
- Could be the Vols, could be Kentucky ... who knows
with this Crazy SEC race. But the Badgers will take
another New Year's visit to Florida after a midseason
slump.

ALAMO BOWL: Illinois (8-4) vs. Texas Tech
- Ugly colors for TV, but a pretty game for those who
enjoy offense.

CHAMPS BOWL: Indiana (7-5) vs. Wake Forest
- Good March Madness matchup ... we'll see how it
fares as a bowl. IU gets the spot over Purdue as
they'll finally take home the bucket this year.

INSIGHT BOWL: Purdue (8-4) vs. Kansas State
- Will the Wildcats get revenge for that 1998 Alamo
Bowl upset?

MOTOR CITY BOWL: Northwestern (7-5) vs. Miami (OH)
- Two wins might not even be enough for the Cats ...
if MSU beats Purdue, the Boilers, Sparty and Cats
could all wind up 7-5 and MSU would go here. But if
Purdue wins at home, the Motor City Bowl -- much to
their dismay -- has to take a 7-5 NU team over 6-6
MSU. 

OUT: Michigan State 6-6, Iowa 5-7, Minnesota 1-11

So we could have nine bowl-eligible teams for seven
bowls ... we really need to get that extra BCS berth.

Of course, if NU and MSU can both beat the Boilers,
Purdue could be the one at 6-6 on the outside while
MSU gets to go to Detroit and NU comes to Phoenix
(making everyone outside of West Lafayette happy) ...
so our game next week is a big one.

LET'S GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Oct 20 15:56:54 2007
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 15:50:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] One more point on TV coverage ...
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Stephen,



Our "down cycle" has now hit a new low, as Minny loses to North Dakota State--at home.?? That ought to really give Big Ten bashers an excuse to knock our favorite conference.



Paul Levinson


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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 1:40 pm
Subject: [NU Sports] One more point on TV coverage ...




Today's just another example of why I don't think you
can point to the BTN for hurting the league in the
polls.

But in the middle of Pac 10 country today, on a day
when the Big Ten has more games than usual for the
middle of the conference season, I can find ...

* Michigan @ Illinois - National
* MSU @ Ohio State - National (ESPN2 is mirroring any
where ABC misses for regional)
* Iowa @ Purdue - National
* PSU @ Indiana - National

Plus, if I have satellite, I get two more Big Ten
games as part of the basic package and if I upgrade to
sports tier, I also had NU's game Friday night.

Contrast that with the league everyone agrees is the
strongest - and which gets by far the most love (over
lurve?) in the polls - the SEC. For their games, I
find ...

* Florida @ Kentucky - National
* Auburn @ LSU - National

None others available on sports tier or satellite
basic.

For such big games as Tennessee @ Alabama or to watch
the upset brewing with Vandy @ USC, I need to pay
extra for GamePlan.

So I'm not sure we can blame the BTN for lessening
coverage and hurting us in the polls. It may lead to a
few less NU, IU or Minny games in NYC for fans without
satellite, but it's not keeping us from the pollsters.

I think we're just in a down cycle now where we lost
respect based on last year's BCS. Even though we were
2-1 vs. the SEC on their home turf in last year's
bowls, they're focusing on the Gators-Buckeyes. Then
the AppState loss hurt further.

Is it fair? No. OSU, Michigan, PSU and Illinois should
all be top 25 teams now. Wisky was a legit top 25 team
before injuries. The Bucks have five games left
against teams with a combined 25-10 record, so if they
can run the table, they will have earned that title
game spot. I just dunno if they can make it through
unscathed. Even in a down year, there's still no easy
wins in Big Ten play - just like the SEC.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From neonrye at aol.com  Sat Oct 20 16:04:02 2007
From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 15:57:19 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Updated Bowl Predictions
In-Reply-To: <953822.95382.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C9E173E08B927F-F8C-6BA7@MBLK-M20.sysops.aol.com>

Stephen:

Your Motor City Bowl opponent prediction took a beating this afternoon, as Miami (OH), where my daughter's best friend is now an alumna, lost to?Temple (which is quietly playing much better this year).? These crazy upsets continue week after week after week..... What a season....If only we could have topped Duke and hung on in Fourth Quarter vs. Lloyd Carr's bunch, the pundits would be talking?about NU's unexpected successes in the same breath as?some of the other "Davids" that are knocking off "Goliaths" this?Fall.

Paul Levinson?


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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 4:47 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Updated Bowl Predictions



> Notwithstanding that we are 1 win away from
> eligibility and 2 wins away from real consideration,
> we still get no respect from at least

... or from ESPN. During the PSU-Indiana game, they
had the Big Ten standings up and seemed "shocked" that
NU was a win from bowl eligibility.

But Indiana's gonna be a heck of a team to beat for us
- mobile QB and stud WR really play into our defensive
weaknesses. I think most of the Big Ten will be hoping
Mr. Hardy decides to play on Sundays next year. If I
had to guess at the bowl picture at this point, I'd
say ...

BCS TITLE GAME: LSU (12-1) vs. Oklahoma (12-1)
- No one makes it through unscathed, and OU has the
easiest path of the one-loss teams while LSU emerges
as the winner of the best league to play at home. It
helps that both will have a title game to make one
last case in what should be a wild finish at the
polls.

ROSE BOWL: Ohio State (11-1) vs. Oregon (11-1)
- The Buckeyes lose at PSU but still win the league
and get to play in Pasadena against the winner of the
USC at Oregon - not a bad consolation prize

SUGAR BOWL: Florida (10-3) vs. Hawaii (12-0)
- With their make-up pick for losing LSU, the Sugar
selects another SEC team and winds up stuck with
Hawaii. If the Warriors lose, look for Texas here?

ORANGE BOWL: Virginia Tech (12-1) vs. West Virginia
(11-1)
- When the excitement dies down, these two are the
best teams in the ACC and Big East and they face each
other in what used to be an annual rivalry. Too bad no
one outside of Appalachia cares much.

FIESTA BOWL: Southern Cal (10-2) vs. Penn State (10-2)
- If Oregon wins the Pac 10, the Fiesta gets the
winner of SC-Cal ... only question is where they go
with the other pick. They could keep Big XII ties with
Texas, but a streaking 10-win PSU team brings a lot of
fans.

That leaves the rest ...

CITRUS BOWL: Michigan (8-4) vs. Georgia
- The Wolverines trip up vs. the Bucks and somewhere
else (tonight or more likely at Wisconsin) to slip a
bit here, but still a big draw (and the fact that
Bucky was here last year) gets them selected for
Orlando against whoever emerges from the wild SEC
race.

OUTBACK BOWL: Wisconsin (9-3) vs. South Carolina
- Could be the Vols, could be Kentucky ... who knows
with this Crazy SEC race. But the Badgers will take
another New Year's visit to Florida after a midseason
slump.

ALAMO BOWL: Illinois (8-4) vs. Texas Tech
- Ugly colors for TV, but a pretty game for those who
enjoy offense.

CHAMPS BOWL: Indiana (7-5) vs. Wake Forest
- Good March Madness matchup ... we'll see how it
fares as a bowl. IU gets the spot over Purdue as
they'll finally take home the bucket this year.

INSIGHT BOWL: Purdue (8-4) vs. Kansas State
- Will the Wildcats get revenge for that 1998 Alamo
Bowl upset?

MOTOR CITY BOWL: Northwestern (7-5) vs. Miami (OH)
- Two wins might not even be enough for the Cats ...
if MSU beats Purdue, the Boilers, Sparty and Cats
could all wind up 7-5 and MSU would go here. But if
Purdue wins at home, the Motor City Bowl -- much to
their dismay -- has to take a 7-5 NU team over 6-6
MSU. 

OUT: Michigan State 6-6, Iowa 5-7, Minnesota 1-11

So we could have nine bowl-eligible teams for seven
bowls ... we really need to get that extra BCS berth.

Of course, if NU and MSU can both beat the Boilers,
Purdue could be the one at 6-6 on the outside while
MSU gets to go to Detroit and NU comes to Phoenix
(making everyone outside of West Lafayette happy) ...
so our game next week is a big one.

LET'S GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From JHCCLARK at aol.com  Sat Oct 20 16:08:03 2007
From: JHCCLARK at aol.com (JHCCLARK@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 16:03:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] One more point on TV coverage ...
Message-ID: <01011049.109F6236.006D6456@aol.com>

Not to make excuses, but let us take note that, like New Hampshire last year and Appalachian State earlier this year, North Dakota State is the #1 Ranked FCS (I-AA) school in the nation.  This was expected, and I actually thought Minny would lose by a wider margin.

In a message dated 10/20/2007 4:56:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time:

Stephen,

Our "down cycle" has now hit a new low, as Minny loses to North Dakota State--at home.?? That ought to really give Big Ten bashers an excuse to knock our favorite conference.

Paul Levinson

From CHerron604 at aol.com  Sat Oct 20 22:40:44 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 22:33:58 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] All-time Cat football team
Message-ID: <ccf.1b50cf28.344c243c@aol.com>

Would referring to Colby and Brown as 'incompetents' be more acceptable  than 
'morons' ?  The numbers clearly bear out their incompetence at what  they are 
supposed to do (deny yardage and points to their opponents).   'Morons' was 
listed in my dictionary as having two definitions - the old  definition from 
psychology, relating to mental age and now not used, and the  more commonly used 
'stupid person or dolt'.  A better term for the two of  them might be 
'clever' - because they have both figured out ways to keep their  high-paying jobs 
DESPITE incompetence.  Equally infuriating is that their  hefty paychecks are 
drawn from University dollars - dollars that could much  better be spent buying 
more books for the library, or offering financial aid to  needy young people.  
Instead, these dollars are paying mortgages on these  mens' (probably very 
pricy) North Shore homes, and padding their 401k  accounts.  THIS is the 
outrage, not a few words in an email.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 20 22:44:39 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Oct 20 22:36:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Pipe down, Musburger!
Message-ID: <408553.53670.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Good game in Champaign tonight.

It's a shame good ole' Brent was waxing nostalgic
throughout the fourth quarter - seemed like he, Herbie
and the rest of ABC missed a pretty big play.

I could have sworn that I heard a whistle on Illinois'
muffed punt that came with a tie score and gave
Michigan the ball at the 10, and the lead two plays
later. After the play, the Illini player went right to
the ref and even a poor lip reader like me could make
out whistle in his plea/yell for an explanation.

Any replays from ABC? Nope.

Good game though and for as many headaches as it's
going to cause us in the coming years, Zook is proving
to be a great thing for the Big Ten overall.

Like MSU, Illinois is a sleeping giant for football -
with his recruiting and the enthusiasm in Champaign,
that's going to be a great football environment for
games in the coming years. And since UI and IU seem to
do everything the same in stadium names, looks like
both are getting much needed renovations that should
boost the program.

Happy Valley in a full White Out next week should be
another great league showcase in prime time for the
Big Ten football experience with the great environment
of Happy Valley

As for the Illini team - much like watching Indiana
earlier today, there's a lot of young talent there in
the skill positions ... but they also make a lot of
mistakes with their inexperience like IU. We have to
keep our poise and use our experience to our advantage
over youthful talent and overaggressiveness vs. the
Hoosiers and Illini. Hopefully they'll be generous
with the turnovers and penalties as well.

GO CATS!!! BEAT THE BOILERS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Sat Oct 20 23:02:48 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 22:58:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 1st Half
Message-ID: <bf4.10fb35d8.344c2968@aol.com>

Eric is right - we have 4 winnable games, but with our guys getting  
Colby/Browned all week in practice, I dread the defensive performances that are  
likely to follow.
 
I know mid-season coaching changes are frowned upon, because they upset  
continuity or team chemistry...but is it possible that this defense would  perform 
better POST Colby/Brown ?  If you plant something, then cover it  with a box, 
the plants will be stilted and do poorly...removing the box can  allow them 
to recover and prosper...Are Colby/Brown a cardboard box, stunting  the 
defense's growth and keeping the team out of a bowl ?
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 23:07:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............
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Though Detroit often takes abuse, 'lovely downtown Detroit' was looking  good 
last night - Ford Field is an extraordinary venue, Comerica next door is  
beautiful, and the area was crowded with late evening diners, night club crowds,  
theater-goers, etc.  The Fox Theater and the Downtown Music Hall  contributed 
to a very nicely lit skyline.  Everybody at the field was very  cordial.  
Even the post-game traffic, while congested, seemed less annoying  than a slog 
down a bumper-to-bumper Tri-State on a Friday evening.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Sat Oct 20 23:27:36 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 20 23:20:49 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] One more point on TV coverage ...
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I know the media won't consider it, but North Dakota State (with my  hometown 
QB, Lockport(IL) Twp HS product Steve Walker) was better than  Minnesota, 
according to the Sagarin numbers, which is all we have, since there  was no line 
on the game.
 
Too bad the other Lockport QB, Iowa's Jake Christensen, isn't having such a  
good year, though I do hope his struggles continue up in Evanston in a couple 
of  weeks.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sat Oct 20 23:47:54 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sat Oct 20 23:40:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Updated Bowl Predictions
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Even after this weekend, there is still a lot of football to be played.  NU
needs 7 wins to get to a bowl, and even then things could be dicey if the
likes of MSU and Indiana manage to make it to that same win mark.  Purdue
looked good at home against Iowa today, so NU will have to play a really
solid game this week if it wants to win 4 straight for the first time since
1996 and reach bowl eligibility.

Jonathan

On 10/20/07, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Notwithstanding that we are 1 win away from
> > eligibility and 2 wins away from real consideration,
> > we still get no respect from at least
>
> ... or from ESPN. During the PSU-Indiana game, they
> had the Big Ten standings up and seemed "shocked" that
> NU was a win from bowl eligibility.
>
> But Indiana's gonna be a heck of a team to beat for us
> - mobile QB and stud WR really play into our defensive
> weaknesses. I think most of the Big Ten will be hoping
> Mr. Hardy decides to play on Sundays next year. If I
> had to guess at the bowl picture at this point, I'd
> say ...
>
> BCS TITLE GAME: LSU (12-1) vs. Oklahoma (12-1)
> - No one makes it through unscathed, and OU has the
> easiest path of the one-loss teams while LSU emerges
> as the winner of the best league to play at home. It
> helps that both will have a title game to make one
> last case in what should be a wild finish at the
> polls.
>
> ROSE BOWL: Ohio State (11-1) vs. Oregon (11-1)
> - The Buckeyes lose at PSU but still win the league
> and get to play in Pasadena against the winner of the
> USC at Oregon - not a bad consolation prize
>
> SUGAR BOWL: Florida (10-3) vs. Hawaii (12-0)
> - With their make-up pick for losing LSU, the Sugar
> selects another SEC team and winds up stuck with
> Hawaii. If the Warriors lose, look for Texas here?
>
> ORANGE BOWL: Virginia Tech (12-1) vs. West Virginia
> (11-1)
> - When the excitement dies down, these two are the
> best teams in the ACC and Big East and they face each
> other in what used to be an annual rivalry. Too bad no
> one outside of Appalachia cares much.
>
> FIESTA BOWL: Southern Cal (10-2) vs. Penn State (10-2)
> - If Oregon wins the Pac 10, the Fiesta gets the
> winner of SC-Cal ... only question is where they go
> with the other pick. They could keep Big XII ties with
> Texas, but a streaking 10-win PSU team brings a lot of
> fans.
>
> That leaves the rest ...
>
> CITRUS BOWL: Michigan (8-4) vs. Georgia
> - The Wolverines trip up vs. the Bucks and somewhere
> else (tonight or more likely at Wisconsin) to slip a
> bit here, but still a big draw (and the fact that
> Bucky was here last year) gets them selected for
> Orlando against whoever emerges from the wild SEC
> race.
>
> OUTBACK BOWL: Wisconsin (9-3) vs. South Carolina
> - Could be the Vols, could be Kentucky ... who knows
> with this Crazy SEC race. But the Badgers will take
> another New Year's visit to Florida after a midseason
> slump.
>
> ALAMO BOWL: Illinois (8-4) vs. Texas Tech
> - Ugly colors for TV, but a pretty game for those who
> enjoy offense.
>
> CHAMPS BOWL: Indiana (7-5) vs. Wake Forest
> - Good March Madness matchup ... we'll see how it
> fares as a bowl. IU gets the spot over Purdue as
> they'll finally take home the bucket this year.
>
> INSIGHT BOWL: Purdue (8-4) vs. Kansas State
> - Will the Wildcats get revenge for that 1998 Alamo
> Bowl upset?
>
> MOTOR CITY BOWL: Northwestern (7-5) vs. Miami (OH)
> - Two wins might not even be enough for the Cats ...
> if MSU beats Purdue, the Boilers, Sparty and Cats
> could all wind up 7-5 and MSU would go here. But if
> Purdue wins at home, the Motor City Bowl -- much to
> their dismay -- has to take a 7-5 NU team over 6-6
> MSU.
>
> OUT: Michigan State 6-6, Iowa 5-7, Minnesota 1-11
>
> So we could have nine bowl-eligible teams for seven
> bowls ... we really need to get that extra BCS berth.
>
> Of course, if NU and MSU can both beat the Boilers,
> Purdue could be the one at 6-6 on the outside while
> MSU gets to go to Detroit and NU comes to Phoenix
> (making everyone outside of West Lafayette happy) ...
> so our game next week is a big one.
>
> LET'S GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Sat Oct 20 23:51:20 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Sat Oct 20 23:43:34 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] One more point on TV coverage ...
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And they would have beaten a bowl-bound Minnesota team last year if it
wasn't for a blocked FG attempt that would have given NDSU the lead late
(the final was 10-9)...

Jonathan

On 10/20/07, neonrye@aol.com <neonrye@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Stephen,
>
>
>
> Our "down cycle" has now hit a new low, as Minny loses to North Dakota
> State--at home.?? That ought to really give Big Ten bashers an excuse to
> knock our favorite conference.
>
>
>
> Paul Levinson
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 1:40 pm
> Subject: [NU Sports] One more point on TV coverage ...
>
>
>
>
> Today's just another example of why I don't think you
> can point to the BTN for hurting the league in the
> polls.
>
> But in the middle of Pac 10 country today, on a day
> when the Big Ten has more games than usual for the
> middle of the conference season, I can find ...
>
> * Michigan @ Illinois - National
> * MSU @ Ohio State - National (ESPN2 is mirroring any
> where ABC misses for regional)
> * Iowa @ Purdue - National
> * PSU @ Indiana - National
>
> Plus, if I have satellite, I get two more Big Ten
> games as part of the basic package and if I upgrade to
> sports tier, I also had NU's game Friday night.
>
> Contrast that with the league everyone agrees is the
> strongest - and which gets by far the most love (over
> lurve?) in the polls - the SEC. For their games, I
> find ...
>
> * Florida @ Kentucky - National
> * Auburn @ LSU - National
>
> None others available on sports tier or satellite
> basic.
>
> For such big games as Tennessee @ Alabama or to watch
> the upset brewing with Vandy @ USC, I need to pay
> extra for GamePlan.
>
> So I'm not sure we can blame the BTN for lessening
> coverage and hurting us in the polls. It may lead to a
> few less NU, IU or Minny games in NYC for fans without
> satellite, but it's not keeping us from the pollsters.
>
> I think we're just in a down cycle now where we lost
> respect based on last year's BCS. Even though we were
> 2-1 vs. the SEC on their home turf in last year's
> bowls, they're focusing on the Gators-Buckeyes. Then
> the AppState loss hurt further.
>
> Is it fair? No. OSU, Michigan, PSU and Illinois should
> all be top 25 teams now. Wisky was a legit top 25 team
> before injuries. The Bucks have five games left
> against teams with a combined 25-10 record, so if they
> can run the table, they will have earned that title
> game spot. I just dunno if they can make it through
> unscathed. Even in a down year, there's still no easy
> wins in Big Ten play - just like the SEC.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
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From Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com  Sat Oct 20 23:53:29 2007
From: Alan.Abrahamson at nbcsports.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sat Oct 20 23:46:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Funny line by bumblebee person
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF031D2427@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

So I'm flying tonight to Chicago. 
 Am at the Houston airport (don't ask), boarding the plane to O'Hare. 
 Guy in front of me in the line, making conversation, asks if I'm heading home. 
 No, I say, I live in LA. But I went to college in Chicago, and always love returning, I say. 
 Where'd you go? the guy asks. 
 I say, Northwestern. 
 What? he says. You weren't smart enough to get into Iowa?
 Bada-bing.  
 BTW I recommend Skip Myslenski's game story in Saturday's Tribune. I may have developed ulcers at some Houston sports bar watching the inconsistent Cats play down to but ultimately defeat EMU. Or that may have been the barbecued ribs. 
 - Alan

From CHerron604 at aol.com  Sun Oct 21 02:00:54 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct 21 01:54:07 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Funny line by bumblebee person
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Skip's story was excellent.  We may have two of the best beat writers  out 
there, with Myslenski and Jim O'Donnell this season.  They both give  you more 
than a dull recitation of the facts and stats.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Oct 21 06:24:13 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Oct 21 06:16:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..............
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Actually, Chuck, I think you missed a Z or two describing this game. 
Someone said there was a crowd of 3,000 at Ford Field.  Does that count the 
band?  The audience look more like 38 friends and relatives to me.  And the 
Cats played like it, too.  Oh, that dreadful defensive line!  Is it the 
scheme?  I don't know.  I've watched the DL closely, and it is clear they do 
not have much ability to fend off a block.  Whether we have a good defensive 
scheme or not, if we had individual talent someone would bull rush, speed 
rush, chop, or stunt his way through and get to the quarterback.  We almost 
never do that.  On a pass rush, our DL looks as if it's in a pushing contest 
with opponents' offensive lines.  And the entire team forgot how to tackle 
on Friday.  I'm not sure that if Priest (their running back, not their 
chaplain) had not gone down (thank you, Mr. Phillips), we might have lost 
that game. 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Oct 21 15:07:57 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Oct 21 14:58:31 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] One more point on TV coverage ...
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Uhh Bottom team in Big 10 loses to #1 Div I-AA Team?

IMHO, the top 4-5 Div I-AA Team [or whatever they're calling it now] can beat
any team in the bottom half of Div I A on any given Saturday.

What they give up in size and talent, they make up for in confidence and the
ability to play as a team at a high level.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of neonrye@aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 4:57 PM
> To: sjtruog@yahoo.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] One more point on TV coverage ...
> 
> 
> Stephen,
> 
> 
> 
> Our "down cycle" has now hit a new low, as Minny loses to North Dakota
> State--at home.?? That ought to really give Big Ten bashers an excuse to
> knock our favorite conference.
> 
> 
> 
> Paul Levinson
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 1:40 pm
> Subject: [NU Sports] One more point on TV coverage ...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Today's just another example of why I don't think you
> can point to the BTN for hurting the league in the
> polls.
> 
> But in the middle of Pac 10 country today, on a day
> when the Big Ten has more games than usual for the
> middle of the conference season, I can find ...
> 
> * Michigan @ Illinois - National
> * MSU @ Ohio State - National (ESPN2 is mirroring any
> where ABC misses for regional)
> * Iowa @ Purdue - National
> * PSU @ Indiana - National
> 
> Plus, if I have satellite, I get two more Big Ten
> games as part of the basic package and if I upgrade to
> sports tier, I also had NU's game Friday night.
> 
> Contrast that with the league everyone agrees is the
> strongest - and which gets by far the most love (over
> lurve?) in the polls - the SEC. For their games, I
> find ...
> 
> * Florida @ Kentucky - National
> * Auburn @ LSU - National
> 
> None others available on sports tier or satellite
> basic.
> 
> For such big games as Tennessee @ Alabama or to watch
> the upset brewing with Vandy @ USC, I need to pay
> extra for GamePlan.
> 
> So I'm not sure we can blame the BTN for lessening
> coverage and hurting us in the polls. It may lead to a
> few less NU, IU or Minny games in NYC for fans without
> satellite, but it's not keeping us from the pollsters.
> 
> I think we're just in a down cycle now where we lost
> respect based on last year's BCS. Even though we were
> 2-1 vs. the SEC on their home turf in last year's
> bowls, they're focusing on the Gators-Buckeyes. Then
> the AppState loss hurt further.
> 
> Is it fair? No. OSU, Michigan, PSU and Illinois should
> all be top 25 teams now. Wisky was a legit top 25 team
> before injuries. The Bucks have five games left
> against teams with a combined 25-10 record, so if they
> can run the table, they will have earned that title
> game spot. I just dunno if they can make it through
> unscathed. Even in a down year, there's still no easy
> wins in Big Ten play - just like the SEC.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
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> 
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From DPENDERG at aol.com  Sun Oct 21 15:39:52 2007
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct 21 15:33:17 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] playing tp the level of the opposition ...
Message-ID: <d28.177e62fb.344d1318@aol.com>

 
After watching the Nevada, Duke and EMU games, playing down to the  
competition level certainly is a plausible explanation, although that is not  much of 
tribute to the coaches or team leadership.  In any case, it will be  by no 
means an excuse in the four remaining games.  Each Big Ten opponent  has the 
potential to whip us unless the Cats remedy the non-existent pass rush,  deplorable 
kick coverage, and coverage-challenged corner backs.   Unless the Cats 
correct those problems quickly, Purdue will do to us what  they did to Iowa.  No one 
should expect the offense to keep compensating  for the defense/special teams 
flaws.  I doubt we'll be able to score 45 or  50 points against the 
Boilermakers.  We win or lose depending on what the  defense/special teams do.
 
 
In a message dated 10/20/2007 2:52:20 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
bwdolphin146@yahoo.com writes:

..is  what this NU team does (except OSU, which is at a
level the 'Cats can't  reach).

It's really that simple, I think.

bw

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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sun Oct 21 15:42:49 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sun Oct 21 15:35:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Pipe down, Musburger!
Message-ID: <102120072042.10627.471BB9C9000CB7AD000029832212020784090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Without a substantial improvement   in NU's defense and special teams play the future will look pretty bleak.  If Fitzgerald and Murphy don't make some coaching changes at the end of the season, not much will improve.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> Good game in Champaign tonight.
> 
> It's a shame good ole' Brent was waxing nostalgic
> throughout the fourth quarter - seemed like he, Herbie
> and the rest of ABC missed a pretty big play.
> 
> I could have sworn that I heard a whistle on Illinois'
> muffed punt that came with a tie score and gave
> Michigan the ball at the 10, and the lead two plays
> later. After the play, the Illini player went right to
> the ref and even a poor lip reader like me could make
> out whistle in his plea/yell for an explanation.
> 
> Any replays from ABC? Nope.
> 
> Good game though and for as many headaches as it's
> going to cause us in the coming years, Zook is proving
> to be a great thing for the Big Ten overall.
> 
> Like MSU, Illinois is a sleeping giant for football -
> with his recruiting and the enthusiasm in Champaign,
> that's going to be a great football environment for
> games in the coming years. And since UI and IU seem to
> do everything the same in stadium names, looks like
> both are getting much needed renovations that should
> boost the program.
> 
> Happy Valley in a full White Out next week should be
> another great league showcase in prime time for the
> Big Ten football experience with the great environment
> of Happy Valley
> 
> As for the Illini team - much like watching Indiana
> earlier today, there's a lot of young talent there in
> the skill positions ... but they also make a lot of
> mistakes with their inexperience like IU. We have to
> keep our poise and use our experience to our advantage
> over youthful talent and overaggressiveness vs. the
> Hoosiers and Illini. Hopefully they'll be generous
> with the turnovers and penalties as well.
> 
> GO CATS!!! BEAT THE BOILERS!!!
> -SjT
> 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Oct 21 23:36:57 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Oct 21 23:28:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 9
Message-ID: <251180.67039.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Another week full of big games - including another
Thursday night showdown where a #2 from a lesser
league goes on the road to prove their worth. So
remember that picks are due by kickoff THURSDAY in
Blacksburg.

Standings will be out soon, but here's the lineup for
week 9 ... 9 ... 9 ... 9 ... 9 ...

PIGSKING PICKS - WEEK 9
#######################
Name: 

BIG TEN
=======
Game  1: Ball State @ Illinois
Winner : 

Game  2: Indiana @ Wisconsin
Winner : 

Game  3: Michigan State @ Iowa
Winner : 

Game  4: Minnesota @ Michigan
Winner : 

Game  5: Ohio State @ Penn State
Winner : 

NATIONAL
========
Game  6: Boston College @ Virginia Tech
Winner : 

Game  7: Florida vs. Georgia (@ Jacksonville, FL)
Winner : 

Game  8: Southern Cal @ Oregon
Winner : 

Game  9: California @ Arizona State
Winner : 

Game 10: West Virginia @ Rutgers
Winner : 

MY PICKS
========
* ILLINOIS 34, Ball State 10 - The angry Illini get a
breather here.

* WISCONSIN 41, Indiana 31 - The Hoosiers are
dangerous, but MSU showed Bucky the formula for
beating IU - pound the ball and keep Hardy on the
sidelines.

* MICHIGAN STATE 21, Iowa 9 - Iowa's already gotten
their upset with the Illini ... they just don't have
the offense to compete with MSU.

* MICHIGAN 42, Minnesota 13 - The jug ain't going
anywhere.

* PENN STATE 17, Ohio State 13 - Again, like Rutgers
last week it's almost too popular of an upset pick,
but I'll stick with it. Happy Valley at night is a
tough place and the Buckeye O showed they could get
jitters last week. As long as Morelli doesn't give the
game away, it should be a great defensive clash and
PSU gets the big win.

* VIRGINIA TECH 30, Boston College 17 - The Eagles
have heart, but VaTech is the only legit top 10 team
in the ACC and Blacksburg at night is as tough as
anywhere.

* FLORIDA 38, Georgia 31 - Is the SEC turning into the
Pac 10 with all these high scoring games lately? I
thought they were supposed to have defense down south.
Good game and the Dawgs are rested, but the Gators and
Urban know how to beat rivals.

* OREGON 33, Southern Cal 30 - Should be a great game
in Autzen and probably SC's toughest test left ... but
Oregon can all but clinch the Pac 10 with a win and
they get that extra yard this time.

* ARIZONA STATE 35, California 31 - The Sun Devils are
rested and at home while the Bears are reeling and
questioning themselves. They make a great comeback
late, but fall short.

* WEST VIRGINIA 37, Rutgers 17 - Rutgers at noon ain't
like Rutgers on a Thursday night. Yeah, the Knights
will be looking for revenge, but much like the ACC,
when the dust settles amid the chaos of the upsets,
there's only one legit contender left in the Big East
and like the ACC, Virginia is in its name.

And off the board ...

* NORTHWESTERN 42, Purdue 35 - Call me crazy, but I
just feel an upset in this one. Purdue doesn't
overlook the gimme games much, but I think we're
pretty evenly matched and they may be looking ahead a
bit here. Fun offensive show and the Cats hold on late
for a big win.

Remember, picks by Thursday kickoff.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Oct 22 05:20:46 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Oct 22 05:13:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] TV
Message-ID: <000601c81495$35f96ac0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Any word on where the Purdon't game will be televised?  Maybe TV has forgotten about us after Friday.  Detroit certainly did.  Not once was the NU-EMU score given in the Saturday scores during any game I watched.
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Mon Oct 22 06:00:29 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Mon Oct 22 05:52:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] TV
In-Reply-To: <000601c81495$35f96ac0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
References: <000601c81495$35f96ac0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270710220400x1b7532bem33add88b51ed7069@mail.gmail.com>

Big Ten Network.  TV and time for the Iowa game will also be confirmed later
today, don't be surprised if it's BTN @ 11AM.

Jonathan

On 10/22/07, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Any word on where the Purdon't game will be televised?  Maybe TV has
> forgotten about us after Friday.  Detroit certainly did.  Not once was the
> NU-EMU score given in the Saturday scores during any game I watched.
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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Mon Oct 22 21:30:59 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Mon Oct 22 21:26:49 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] new math
Message-ID: <c5c.1b637bfd.344eb6e3@aol.com>

I read someplace that the attendance figure of Friday's game  wouldn't be 
available until today.  Sure enough, it was listed on  Nusports.com as 10,000. 
You've got to be kidding!  Clearly, there wasn't  any more than 5,000 (probably 
3,000) at that game. Call me crazy, but in a dead  environment like that, it 
would hard to get excited.  
   I thought our play was mediocre, but we ran the ball a bit  better, and 
our FG kicker ended his slump. Conteh's fumble at the beginning of  the 3rd 
period kept EMU in the game; we go up 20-7 at that point, and it might  have been 
lights out. Still we won the turnover battle , what, 4-1?
   Numbers: Looks like we need 7 to bowl this season.  Let's  make a risky 
assumption, and assume we lose to Purdue and beat an  average Iowa team at home 
( I hope my fellow posters didn't buy into the  Iowa rhetoric in the early 
season mags; they're a .500 bunch at best).  So  we need to split 
Indiana/Illinois.  I'm more worried about Indiana, as I  see some sort of 2001 repeat when 
some one named Randel-El turned us out.
   However, our friends in Champaign seem to be coming  unglued.  Iowa shook 
their confidence, and now there's a late season QB  controversy along with a 
hard-fought bitter loss.  And if you think Ball  St.'s a push-over, think 
again.  
   Four big games for our program.  I'm looking forward to  the next few 
weeks! 
 
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Oct 23 07:59:19 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Oct 23 07:54:47 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Great press for NU -- Girardi
Message-ID: <20071023.075919.8431.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com>

Yanks interview Girardi; Mattingly next
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7363026?MSNHPHMA

'Joe Girardi spoke with George Steinbrenner and they quickly found common ground: Northwestern football.

"I talked to him about their 5-3 record and that they were one game from bowl eligibility and that was big for Northwestern, so we had some laughs about that," Girardi said.
Girardi is a Northwestern alumnus and from his days as a catcher for the New York Yankees, he knew the owner is a former Northwestern assistant football coach...'


You can't beat coverage like that.  First it is at the beginning of the article, Northwestern is mentioned 4 times, the article was featured on msn's homepage, and they show the link between both Girardi and Steinbrenner to the cats.







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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Tue Oct 23 08:35:27 2007
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Tue Oct 23 08:27:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sutton back for Purdue?
Message-ID: <d477ce9c0710230635s3e26bf03y79b9be075420523d@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies if this has already been posted...

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-071022nubits,1,7274315.story
<http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-071022nubits,1,7274315.story>

Thoughts?

J
From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Oct 23 08:46:50 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Oct 23 08:39:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Great press for NU -- Girardi
References: <20071023.075919.8431.0@webmail01.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <000901c8157b$29d4c5f0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

> You can't beat coverage like that.  First it is at the beginning of the 
> article, Northwestern is mentioned 4 times, the article was featured on 
> msn's homepage, and they show the link between both Girardi and 
> Steinbrenner to the cats.

How great can it be when the school gets mentioned in connection with George 
Steinbrenner?  Girardi is a fool if he takes that job.  Stay in the booth, 
Joe!  At least until a safer job comes along - like tightrope walking or 
wrestling crocodiles.  If he got run out of Florida for not getting along 
with management, what is G.S. and the New York press going to do to him? 

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Tue Oct 23 10:30:37 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Oct 23 10:23:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Great press for NU -- Girardi
Message-ID: <102320071530.11561.471E139D0004F0DA00002D292215555884090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Dennis has it  right, why work for meglomaniacs like Steinbrenner or his kids.

John DeGroat 
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
> > You can't beat coverage like that.  First it is at the beginning of the 
> > article, Northwestern is mentioned 4 times, the article was featured on 
> > msn's homepage, and they show the link between both Girardi and 
> > Steinbrenner to the cats.
> 
> How great can it be when the school gets mentioned in connection with George 
> Steinbrenner?  Girardi is a fool if he takes that job.  Stay in the booth, 
> Joe!  At least until a safer job comes along - like tightrope walking or 
> wrestling crocodiles.  If he got run out of Florida for not getting along 
> with management, what is G.S. and the New York press going to do to him? 
> 
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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Tue Oct 23 17:08:56 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct 23 17:04:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] stats
Message-ID: <c64.1ed82db4.344fcaf8@aol.com>

I'm not consulting my media guide, but isn't this the first  season since 
1999 that we may not have a 1,000 yard rusher?   Still, I  bet we'll have (3) 
RB's over 500 yards.  To reach 1,000 yards, Sutton would  have to avg. a buck 90, 
and that assumes we make a bowl. (122 yards this  season)  Conteh has rushed 
for 437, and Roberson 337.  Also, as we've  passed more than 50% of our plays, 
it prohibits any of our guys reaching 1,000,  along with "shared 
distribution" among the three.
   I'm slightly worried that Kafka hasn't played much. I was  hoping PF would 
give him some quality snaps in the 2nd or 3rd quarter of some  games; if 
nothing else it would add an extra wrinkle to our offense, as Kafka  loves to run. 
I guess it's one of those things we'll worry about when it  happens, but 
remember when Basanez went down vs. Minnesota in 2003 (I think!) ,  and Malleo 
looked like a fish out of water.  Speaking of which, Kafka  looked like a fish 
out of water last year, so if he's our back-up, why not get  him some meaningful 
reps?
   Looking forward to Sutton's return.   GO  CATS!!!            Eric



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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Tue Oct 23 17:40:09 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Oct 23 17:32:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] stats
In-Reply-To: <c64.1ed82db4.344fcaf8@aol.com>
References: <c64.1ed82db4.344fcaf8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0C0100F355@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>

I'll bet that if we needed Kafka we'd find him better prepared this year than
he was last year.  He is getting some reps in practice and probably also
getting some work on the scout team as the opposing QB when they've got a
running QB.  I agree that there is no substitute for game experience, but the
next best thing is years in the system practicing the offense.  Since Kafka
is only a year younger than Bacher, though, if Bacher stays healthy, Kafka
may never get another start.  That's because when Bacher finishes his career,
PF is likely to go with a younger guy that he can have for a couple of years
rather than a senior whom he will only have for one year.

Every solid program has this "backup" guy who may go his whole career without
a start.  Everyone on the team knows and appreciates his role which is to be
ready if needed even if you are never needed.

For example when Henne went down at UoM, the freshman Mallett took his place
even though Cone and Sheridan had been in the program a year longer.  Because
Henne is a senior, clearly Mallett is the next guy in line.  Cone and
Sheridan may never get a start, but they are still important members of the
team.

Jeff


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Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:09 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] stats

I'm not consulting my media guide, but isn't this the first  season since 
1999 that we may not have a 1,000 yard rusher?   Still, I  bet we'll have (3)

RB's over 500 yards.  To reach 1,000 yards, Sutton would  have to avg. a buck
90, and that assumes we make a bowl. (122 yards this  season)  Conteh has
rushed for 437, and Roberson 337.  Also, as we've  passed more than 50% of
our plays, it prohibits any of our guys reaching 1,000,  along with "shared
distribution" among the three.
   I'm slightly worried that Kafka hasn't played much. I was  hoping PF would
give him some quality snaps in the 2nd or 3rd quarter of some  games; if
nothing else it would add an extra wrinkle to our offense, as Kafka  loves to
run. 
I guess it's one of those things we'll worry about when it  happens, but
remember when Basanez went down vs. Minnesota in 2003 (I think!) ,  and
Malleo looked like a fish out of water.  Speaking of which, Kafka  looked
like a fish out of water last year, so if he's our back-up, why not get  him
some meaningful reps?
   Looking forward to Sutton's return.   GO  CATS!!!            Eric



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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Oct 23 18:48:44 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Oct 23 18:48:48 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] stats (fwd)
Message-ID: <200710232348.l9NNmioM027799@romaine.tssi.com>

> Every solid program has this "backup" guy who may go his whole career without
> a start.  Everyone on the team knows and appreciates his role which is to be
> ready if needed even if you are never needed.

Better example:  Nebraska 1994.  Tommie Frazier went into the hospital
midseason with blood clots (that ruined his NFL chances and cut short 
his attempt at a pro career in the CFL.)

Then his backup, Brook Berringer, went down with a partially collapsed lung
during the Oklahoma State game.

In comes walkon Matt Turman, who then started the Kansas State game the
following week.  While he didn't have a great game (Berringer was able 
to come in for the 2nd half), Nebraska won and Matt will forever be known 
in Husker circles as the Turmanator.  

In 1995 Frazier was healthy again and Berringer sat on the bench most
of the season.

In a fitting cap to his career, Turman came into the Fiesta Bowl game at 
the end of the 1995 season with the Huskers leading 62-24 to take a knee 
at the Florida 3 yard line.  (One Florida fan I know thinks that was a 
bigger slap than if the Huskers had just pounded it in one more time.)

Sadly, Brook Berringer died in an ultralight plane crash a few days 
before he was expected to be about a 4th round NFL draft choice.  There
is a citizenship award at Nebraska in his honor these days as well as 
a Brook Berringer Memorial Scholarship funded by the country group 
Sawyer Brown.  (Brook was also an accomplished musician and a friend
of the group.)

Both of these players made huge contributions coming off the bench.
--
Mike Nolan

From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Oct 24 05:25:43 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Oct 24 05:18:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] stats
In-Reply-To: <c64.1ed82db4.344fcaf8@aol.com>
References: <c64.1ed82db4.344fcaf8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270710240325h5aa01cf0t72ec19a4860d0a0d@mail.gmail.com>

1. NU did not have a 1,000 yard rusher in 2001 when Damien Anderson went
down mid-season with a shoulder injury.  Kustok and Torri Stuckey picked up
the remainder of the carries.  Actually, in 1999 NU DID have a 1,000 yard
rusher in Damien Anderson (with 1,128).  1998 would be the previous instance
NU went without a 1,000 yard rusher.

1A. I don't believe NU not having a 1,000 yard rusher this year means
anything in particular, especially if the 3 combined guys reach that number
- just having one guy with amazing stats doesn't do anything in the long run
except help that guy win some post-season awards.

The fact is that Northwestern's offense this season is pass-first and NU
runs once in a while on plays set up by the pass.  It isn't the traditional
"spread" or "spread option" offense, but if it's working, then why insist on
running the ball?  NU is 11th nationally in time of possession, so holding
onto the ball isn't a problem for the 'Cats.  The only issue I see is
finishing off drives - and most of those issues came against Duke and
Michigan (the fact that NU put up a ton of yards and only 14 and 16 points,
respectively).  A lot of that had to do with play calling which I think has
been fixed during NU's current 3 game winning streak.

2. Kafka: When NU needs to win a game and there's still time on the clock,
put in the starter.  NU doesn't need to throw Kafka in there just to get him
playing time as a backup.  I think he would fare much better than last year
for a number of reasons - probably reason number one is that McGee won't
have him run the ball the majority of the time in some weird offensive
scheme, but instead throw it most of the time.  In any case you can never
plan for injuries and I would hope they save him for emergency situations or
blowout games (of which there haven't been many this year).

This is a complete hunch, but I suspect Kafka may be switching positions
following this year.  Next year, NU will have Bacher/Mauro/Persa at the QB
3-deep, and more than 3 QBs is a waste.  I could easily see him following
Brewer to WR, or even moving over to defensive back, following the way of
Smith and Phillips (both former QBs) - although I am not getting this from
anything specific, so it may be way off base.

Jonathan

On 10/23/07, WildElk2@aol.com <WildElk2@aol.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not consulting my media guide, but isn't this the first  season since
> 1999 that we may not have a 1,000 yard rusher?   Still, I  bet we'll have
> (3)
> RB's over 500 yards.  To reach 1,000 yards, Sutton would  have to avg. a
> buck 90,
> and that assumes we make a bowl. (122 yards this  season)  Conteh has
> rushed
> for 437, and Roberson 337.  Also, as we've  passed more than 50% of our
> plays,
> it prohibits any of our guys reaching 1,000,  along with "shared
> distribution" among the three.
>    I'm slightly worried that Kafka hasn't played much. I was  hoping PF
> would
> give him some quality snaps in the 2nd or 3rd quarter of some  games; if
> nothing else it would add an extra wrinkle to our offense, as Kafka  loves
> to run.
> I guess it's one of those things we'll worry about when it  happens, but
> remember when Basanez went down vs. Minnesota in 2003 (I think!) ,  and
> Malleo
> looked like a fish out of water.  Speaking of which, Kafka  looked like a
> fish
> out of water last year, so if he's our back-up, why not get  him some
> meaningful
> reps?
>    Looking forward to Sutton's return.   GO  CATS!!!            Eric
>
>
>
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From fredradewagen at mail.com  Fri Oct 19 12:20:56 2007
From: fredradewagen at mail.com (Fred Radewagen)
Date: Wed Oct 24 08:45:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] insulting the opposition
Message-ID: <4718E778.2080009@mail.com>

Although not precisely on our usual topics but closely related, I had to 
share with you a list of generic insults to the opposition.  Since it is 
generic in nature, I don't think it violates our rule of good 
sportsmanship in this forum.  You fill in the blanks as appropriate.  Fred

Q: What do  University of _______  and pot have in common?

A: They both get smoked in bowls! 

 

Q: What's the difference between  a  University of _______  fan and a carp?

A: One is a bottom-feeding, scum sucker, and the other is a fish.

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Q: What's the hardest thing about being a University of _______  fan?

A: Telling your parents that you're gay.

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Q: Where was O.J. hiding right before the famous white Bronco chase?

A: On the University of _______  campus. That's the last place you would 
find a football player.

______________________________

Q: Why do they throw out a sack of manure at University of _______  
weddings?

A: To keep the flies off the bride.

______________________________

Q: Why don't University of _______  fans let their kids play in sand boxes?

A: Because cats keep covering them up.

______________________________

Q: Why do University of _______  fans keep their diplomas on their 
dashboards?

A: So they can park in handicap spaces.

Q: Do you know why the University of _______  football team should 
change its name to the "Opossums"?

A: Because they play dead at home and get killed on the road.

______________________________

Q: Did you hear the story about the semi-truck carrying pigs that 
flipped over on the University of _______  campus?

A: The officials had to check ID's before letting any of the University 
of _______  cheerleaders back on board.

______________________________

Q: What does the average University of _______  student get on his SAT?

A: Drool.

______________________________

Q: What do you get when you breed a groundhog and the University of 
_______  football team ?

A: Six more weeks of bad football.

______________________________

Q: What should you do if you find three University of _______  fans 
buried up to their neck in cement?

A: Get more cement.

From JLrs751 at aol.com  Fri Oct 19 15:45:36 2007
From: JLrs751 at aol.com (JLrs751@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct 24 08:46:02 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: nwu-sports Digest, Vol 4, Issue 288
Message-ID: <c5c.1b1c18c7.344a7170@aol.com>

What about Bob Christian who played with both the Chicago Bears and the  
Atlanta Falcons!



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From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 09:14:30 2007
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Wed Oct 24 09:06:21 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Kafka
Message-ID: <220104.70521.qm@web60317.mail.yahoo.com>

I might also argue that if NU could put some teams away this season, Kafka would've gotten some reps.  Unfortunately, I don't see any similar opportunities with the remaining schedule.

GO 'CATS!

Christopher Bailey
christopher_bailey@yaho.com

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From: WildElk2@aol.com

   I'm slightly worried that Kafka hasn't played much. I was  hoping PF
 would 
give him some quality snaps in the 2nd or 3rd quarter of some  games;
 if 
nothing else it would add an extra wrinkle to our offense, as Kafka
  loves to run. 





From pminerva at sbcglobal.net  Wed Oct 24 19:18:36 2007
From: pminerva at sbcglobal.net (Paul Minerva)
Date: Wed Oct 24 19:10:23 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Kafka
In-Reply-To: <220104.70521.qm@web60317.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <90370.42213.qm@web82515.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

After seeing Florida play last year with two QBs, I was surprised when we didn't adopt a similar strategy to the one Urban Meyer used with Leak and Tebow.
   
   
   
  

Christopher Bailey <christopher_bailey@yahoo.com> wrote:
  I might also argue that if NU could put some teams away this season, Kafka would've gotten some reps. Unfortunately, I don't see any similar opportunities with the remaining schedule.

GO 'CATS!

Christopher Bailey
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From: WildElk2@aol.com

I'm slightly worried that Kafka hasn't played much. I was hoping PF
would 
give him some quality snaps in the 2nd or 3rd quarter of some games;
if 
nothing else it would add an extra wrinkle to our offense, as Kafka
loves to run. 





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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 24 23:55:03 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Oct 24 23:47:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings
Message-ID: <115601.59394.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Remember that week 10 picks are due by kickoff
Thursday night. But first, here's week 9's honor roll.
Congrats to Sam Wolfson for hitting the trifecta ...

UPSET SPECIALS
==============
* NORTH DAKOTA ST. over Minnesota: Picked by Phredd,
Peg, Brad, Sam, Chuck, Sydney and Mark

* UCLA over California: Ace, Alan, Sam and Bruce

* MIAMI over Florida State: Trey, Peg, Ace, Carl,
Alan, Sam, Sydney and Marilyn

UNANIMOUS PICKS
===============
None

And now to the big board ...

                  ----- RECORD ----  - UPSET -  TOTAL
RK  NAME          WK 8  OVERL  PCT.  WK 8 OVRL  WEEKS
======================================================
 1) S. Truog      11-4  74-26  .740    0    1    8
 2) M. Zilka      11-4  66-24  .733    1    2    7
 3) E. Steffe     11-4  72-28  .720    0    1    8
 4) P. Wolfe      12-3  57-23  .713    2    5    6
 5) C. Herron     12-3  71-29  .710    1    1    8
 5) K. Sevilla    10-5  71-29  .710    0    6    8
 5) A. Wolfson    14-1  71-29  .710    2    4    8
 8) B. Taylor     12-3  53-22  .707    1    2    6
 9) T. McAdams     9-6  70-30  .700    1    1    8
 9) B. Winkler    10-5  70-30  .700    0    3    8
11) J. Wall       10-5  59-26  .694    0    2    7
12) B. Wilson      9-6  69-31  .690    1    5    8
13) J. Bendat     10-5  68-32  .680    0    3    8
14) P. Groves      8-7  66-34  .660    1    5    8
15) I. Embrekts    ---  56-29  .659    0    0    7
16) M. Ament      10-5  49-26  .653    1    3    6
17) J. Labbe       ---  54-31  .635    0    1    7
18) B. Waldele    10-5  53-32  .624    0    2    7
19) C. Bailey     10-5  62-38  .620    0    1    8
19) J. Hodges     10-5  62-38  .620    0    2    8
19) S. Wolfson    10-5  62-38  .620    3    7    8
22) R. Stahl       6-9  61-39  .610    0    4    8
23) A. McInturff   8-7  54-46  .540    2    6    8

-- NOT ELIGIBLE AT THIS TIME --
xx) C. Miller      ---  14- 1  .933    0    1    1
xx) J. Hawkins     ---  12- 3  .800    0    1    1
xx) M. Barnard    11-4  44-21  .677    0    1    5
xx) K. Maresco     7-8  46-24  .657    0    0    5
xx) J. Leonard     ---  35-20  .636    0    3    5
xx) Syd. Wolfson   9-6  24-16  .600    2    5    3
xx) M. Whelan      ---  23-17  .575    0    1    4
xx) C. Rossi       9-6  32-28  .533    1    2    5

Get those picks in by kickoff tomorrow!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Thu Oct 25 00:40:14 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Thu Oct 25 00:40:17 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings
In-Reply-To: <115601.59394.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com> from "SjT \(Stephen
	J. Truog\)" at Oct 24, 2007 09:55:03 PM
Message-ID: <200710250540.l9P5eEnd001826@romaine.tssi.com>

> And now to the big board ...
> 
>                   ----- RECORD ----  - UPSET -  TOTAL
> RK  NAME          WK 8  OVERL  PCT.  WK 8 OVRL  WEEKS
> ======================================================
>  1) S. Truog      11-4  74-26  .740    0    1    8

Hmm, Truog is leading the pack.  How suspicious is that?  :-)
--
Mike Nolan 

From WildElk2 at aol.com  Thu Oct 25 05:44:47 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct 25 05:40:19 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings
Message-ID: <c1f.206c96ee.3451cd9f@aol.com>

Let's see. Steven Truog runs a contest to see who picks the  most correct 
games.  Hmmm Steven leads his own contest?!?  Mike N._I  saw the same thing! 
Verrrrrrrrrry interesting!:)   Hopefully, an upset  special will occur in West 
Lafayette this weekend.
 
       GO  CATS!!           Eric



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 25 08:16:40 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Oct 25 08:08:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings
In-Reply-To: <c1f.206c96ee.3451cd9f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <180355.68027.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Let's see. Steven Truog runs a contest to see who
> picks the  most correct 

Shhhh - you'll jinx it!:)

I dunno if I've ever been in the lead this late in the
season, but you can always check my picks - made
public every week. So we'll see if this can last.

But yeah, I'll take an 0-10 week if NU can get the
much-needed win in Boilerland this weekend.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Oct 25 09:57:42 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct 25 09:53:44 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Eric Peterman
Message-ID: <cb8.1f1a5023.345208e6@aol.com>

Very nice article in today's Sun Times about this kid. Not to grouse but  why 
don't we get more of this kind of press in the Chicago papers what with all  
the pre-incarceration majors at dOSU and Penn St.



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From NEONRye at aol.com  Thu Oct 25 11:56:37 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Oct 25 11:52:30 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten Network Blog
Message-ID: <c39.1efe9191.345224c5@aol.com>

Not sure if everyone will be able to link to this, but I found the  following 
interesting Blog on AOL dealing with impact of BTN on cable  companies:
 
_http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/10/23/is-the-big-ten-network-eating-into-
cables-bottom-line/_ 
(http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/10/23/is-the-big-ten-network-eating-into-cables-bottom-line/) 
 
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Fri Oct 26 08:42:55 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Fri Oct 26 08:38:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Tim Doyle joins BTN as bball analyst
Message-ID: <000301c817d6$1d661a50$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

The Big Ten Network men's basketball studio team joining Dave Revsine (is he
an NU guy too?) will be Gene Keady, former tOSU star Jimmy Jackson, and
Timmy Doyle.  Good for NU!
 
See:  http://www.bigtennetwork.com/corporate/PR102407.asp
 
-Joe
 
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 26 13:36:26 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Oct 26 13:28:07 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Tim Doyle joins BTN as bball analyst
In-Reply-To: <000301c817d6$1d661a50$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <969271.32753.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> The Big Ten Network men's basketball studio team
> joining Dave Revsine (is he
> an NU guy too?) will be Gene Keady, former tOSU star
> Jimmy Jackson, and
> Timmy Doyle.  Good for NU!
>  
It's nice to see an NU presence at the network - and
I'm sure there are tons more behind the cameras as
well.

It'll be nice (well, maybe not :) ) to see more than
the annual one "let's do PSU vs. NU so we get both out
of the way at once" ESPN2 mid Saturday hoops game this
year.

Hopefully the push of hoops fans in Indiana, Illinois
and Michigan will get some deal worked out for the BTN
on cable. I think everyone's getting sick of the games
these megacorps are playing - Comcast is flooding the
Phoenix market with ads to call and demand that "The
Mountain" be part of the basic package ... Arizona
doesn't even have a Mountain West team! Surely they
can't demand Phoenix do what they refuse to do in a
state that actually HAS one or two schools on the
network!:)

Oh well - I know it sucks for a lot of the midwest at
this time and hopefully that gets changed soon with
all these media games. But as a Cats fan in Arizona,
this may well be the best thing to come along since
sliced cheese (that's the Wisconsin version and I've
never been much for bread :) ).

Big game this weekend - GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From thiegs at umn.edu  Fri Oct 26 15:21:36 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Fri Oct 26 15:17:03 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Tim Doyle joins BTN as bball analyst
In-Reply-To: <969271.32753.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <000301c817d6$1d661a50$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
	<969271.32753.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003d01c8180d$cf52a300$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

Comcast's duplicity in this is really shameful.  As the BTN e-mail I
received that announced the new basketball analyst trio included the
following (invoking the fair use copyright exception, here):

"Comcast To Launch 'Oregon Sports Network' on Expanded Basic Cable
Comcast SportsNet Northwest Costs Operators $2 per month

PORTLAND - Promising to bring more local sports programming to Oregon sports
fans than ever, Comcast SportsNet Northwest launches November 1. The channel
will broadcast Portland Trail Blazers' and Oregon Ducks' basketball games as
well as coverage of local college sports like soccer, track and hockey that
"otherwise might not be televised," according to The Oregonian.

>From a programming perspective, there are striking similarities between the
Comcast network and the Big Ten Network. 

"This is going to be Oregon's sports network. We really want to try and
become a fabric of Oregon sports," executive vice president of Comcast
sports programming David Manougian told The Oregonian on Oct. 18.

Those are the similarities. For Big Ten fans, here are the unfortunate
differences. 

According to Sports Business Journal, Comcast will charge operators $2, more
than double the Big Ten Network's rate, and will place the network on
expanded basic cable. Comcast has refused the Big Ten's proposal to be on
expanded basic saying they must "protect" customers who aren't sports fans."

I do really feel sorry for those who for one reason or another can't bring
themselves to switch over to Dish Network or DirecTV.  If I could only keep
ten channels--heck, probably even five channels--outside of the locals, BTN
definitely would be one of them (along with the Food Network, Comedy
Central, The Discovery Channel, ESPN, and a handful of others).  I love it .
. . and not just for the football and basketball!

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 1:36 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Tim Doyle joins BTN as bball analyst

> The Big Ten Network men's basketball studio team
> joining Dave Revsine (is he
> an NU guy too?) will be Gene Keady, former tOSU star
> Jimmy Jackson, and
> Timmy Doyle.  Good for NU!
>  
It's nice to see an NU presence at the network - and
I'm sure there are tons more behind the cameras as
well.

It'll be nice (well, maybe not :) ) to see more than
the annual one "let's do PSU vs. NU so we get both out
of the way at once" ESPN2 mid Saturday hoops game this
year.

Hopefully the push of hoops fans in Indiana, Illinois
and Michigan will get some deal worked out for the BTN
on cable. I think everyone's getting sick of the games
these megacorps are playing - Comcast is flooding the
Phoenix market with ads to call and demand that "The
Mountain" be part of the basic package ... Arizona
doesn't even have a Mountain West team! Surely they
can't demand Phoenix do what they refuse to do in a
state that actually HAS one or two schools on the
network!:)

Oh well - I know it sucks for a lot of the midwest at
this time and hopefully that gets changed soon with
all these media games. But as a Cats fan in Arizona,
this may well be the best thing to come along since
sliced cheese (that's the Wisconsin version and I've
never been much for bread :) ).

Big game this weekend - GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Oct 26 18:05:31 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Oct 26 17:55:37 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Tim Doyle joins BTN as bball analyst
In-Reply-To: <000301c817d6$1d661a50$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
References: <000301c817d6$1d661a50$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <000901c81824$b50a75b0$1f1f6110$@com>

Those [of us] who have interviewed or talked one on one with Tim Doyle find him
to be a very articulate, clever guy. I'm sure he blew away the interviewers
looking for members of the BTN basketball team and will be a stand out presence
on the broadcast [if some wacky sports producer doesn't screw up his natural
style.] If he chooses to continue as an air personality - he's going to do the
old alma mater proud.

HOWEVER!!!!!!

The guy I'm sorry about is Shon Morris. While he has a continuing relationship
with ESPN, he really belongs along the court on Big 10 broadcasts, and maybe
even on the feature TV game each week. He is the best color guy by far on the
WGN broadcasts [sorry Kap] when they can get him out there [IMHO] and has a
tremendous TV presence, even when talking to the top coaches in the game.

[I have not accepted any renumeration from Mr. Morris for the above comment, nor
have I been promised anything by Mr. Morris. He also did not write nor
contribute to my unsolicited endorsement]

Why Shon isn't on the #1 TV broadcast each week as the analyst is beyond me -
I'd certainly have him there - maybe he's just too literate for the great
unwashed masses?

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:43 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Tim Doyle joins BTN as bball analyst
> 
> The Big Ten Network men's basketball studio team joining Dave Revsine (is
> he
> an NU guy too?) will be Gene Keady, former tOSU star Jimmy Jackson, and
> Timmy Doyle.  Good for NU!
> 
> See:  http://www.bigtennetwork.com/corporate/PR102407.asp
> 
> -Joe
> 
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Fri Oct 26 20:53:36 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Fri Oct 26 20:47:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Tim Doyle joins BTN as bball analyst
Message-ID: <20071026.205336.2860.0@webmail06.dca.untd.com>

Shon is in a strange position as he is employed by the university as an asst. AD.  I don't think any of the other BTN/ESPN people are in similar positions.

We went to the fast break club tip-off dinner.  Mostly the normal coach speak.  We really like Sterling and Nash, but the rest of the team is pretty weak without Coble.  With 18 big ten games this double digit wins seem unlikely.

I can't believe we don't have a home date with the Ill-whine-I.  The scheduling is very strange as I remember in years past where Indiana and Purdue played out-of-conference so they could get their second game.

-- "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
Those [of us] who have interviewed or talked one on one with Tim Doyle find him
to be a very articulate, clever guy. I'm sure he blew away the interviewers
looking for members of the BTN basketball team and will be a stand out presence
on the broadcast [if some wacky sports producer doesn't screw up his natural
style.] If he chooses to continue as an air personality - he's going to do the
old alma mater proud.

HOWEVER!!!!!!

The guy I'm sorry about is Shon Morris. While he has a continuing relationship
with ESPN, he really belongs along the court on Big 10 broadcasts, and maybe
even on the feature TV game each week. He is the best color guy by far on the
WGN broadcasts [sorry Kap] when they can get him out there [IMHO] and has a
tremendous TV presence, even when talking to the top coaches in the game.

[I have not accepted any renumeration from Mr. Morris for the above comment, nor
have I been promised anything by Mr. Morris. He also did not write nor
contribute to my unsolicited endorsement]

Why Shon isn't on the #1 TV broadcast each week as the analyst is beyond me -
I'd certainly have him there - maybe he's just too literate for the great
unwashed masses?

rsl

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 9:43 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Tim Doyle joins BTN as bball analyst
> 
> The Big Ten Network men's basketball studio team joining Dave Revsine (is
> he
> an NU guy too?) will be Gene Keady, former tOSU star Jimmy Jackson, and
> Timmy Doyle.  Good for NU!
> 
> See:  http://www.bigtennetwork.com/corporate/PR102407.asp
> 
> -Joe
> 
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From johnl at mac.com  Fri Oct 26 21:57:28 2007
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Fri Oct 26 21:49:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Positive Statistic
In-Reply-To: <c39.1efe9191.345224c5@aol.com>
References: <c39.1efe9191.345224c5@aol.com>
Message-ID: <89ee2aaf6f6a94f5cdafdc9f2f3f2e0f@mac.com>

A couple weeks ago I was indirectly criticized for focusing on the 
negative because I pointed out the number of times we've lost to Purdue 
in the previous ten seasons (8).

I tend to think I've always been one of the most optimistic members on 
this list.  But I do like to analyze statistics.  They don't always 
tell the whole story, and they certainly can't predict the future, but 
they can be interesting.

So to make up for the Purdue statistics, here's a positive statistic:  
Our combined record against our remaining four opponents in our 
previous two games against each of those opponents is 7-1.

Before I'm criticized for manipulating that statistic, no matter how 
you look at it, our record against these four opponents has been pretty 
good of late.  In our previous three games against each opponent we're 
10-2.  In the past 3 years against these opponents we're 8-1; while 
we're 10-2 against these opponents over the past 4 years.

Although Purdue is the only one of these four teams to have beaten us 
anytime in the past four years (twice), I'm predicting a win on 
Saturday similar to our win over Michigan State in 2005.  I'm expecting 
Sutton to be back, and the offense to be on fire.  Although the defense 
won't be overly impressive, they'll get a few key stops and turnovers 
to make it a blowout.

Go Cats!

John

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Fri Oct 26 22:57:01 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Fri Oct 26 22:49:14 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Tim Doyle joins BTN as bball analyst
Message-ID: <102720070357.17904.4722B70C000EA999000045F02215567074090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

I agree, Shon is terrific.  If Carmody  fails again to get NU even to the NIT, I think Shon would be a terrific replacement..  I worry if Shon effectively  loses the ESPN income, he may go elsewhere. 

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "mlinhardt@netzero.net" <mlinhardt@netzero.net>
> Shon is in a strange position as he is employed by the university as an asst. 
> AD.  I don't think any of the other BTN/ESPN people are in similar positions.
> 
> We went to the fast break club tip-off dinner.  Mostly the normal coach speak.  
> We really like Sterling and Nash, but the rest of the team is pretty weak 
> without Coble.  With 18 big ten games this double digit wins seem unlikely.
> 
> I can't believe we don't have a home date with the Ill-whine-I.  The scheduling 
> is very strange as I remember in years past where Indiana and Purdue played 
> out-of-conference so they could get their second game.
> 
> -- "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
> Those [of us] who have interviewed or talked one on one with Tim Doyle find him
> to be a very articulate, clever guy. I'm sure he blew away the interviewers
> looking for members of the BTN basketball team and will be a stand out presence
> on the broadcast [if some wacky sports producer doesn't screw up his natural
> style.] If he chooses to continue as an air personality - he's going to do the
> old alma mater proud.
> 
> HOWEVER!!!!!!
> 
> The guy I'm sorry about is Shon Morris. While he has a continuing relationship
> with ESPN, he really belongs along the court on Big 10 broadcasts, and maybe
> even on the feature TV game each week. He is the best color guy by far on the
> WGN broadcasts [sorry Kap] when they can get him out there [IMHO] and has a
> tremendous TV presence, even when talking to the top coaches in the game.
> 
> [I have not accepted any renumeration from Mr. Morris for the above comment, nor
> have I been promised anything by Mr. Morris. He also did not write nor
> contribute to my unsolicited endorsement]
> 
> Why Shon isn't on the #1 TV broadcast each week as the analyst is beyond me -
> I'd certainly have him there - maybe he's just too literate for the great
> unwashed masses?
> 
> rsl
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
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From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 27 09:11:20 2007
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Sat Oct 27 09:02:57 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Expect Victory today
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Fellow Wildcat Faithful,

I am very optimistic about today's game. We have an extra day of rest, a 3-game winning streak, and CJ is playing great football. I think the return of Sutton will the added spark we need to beat Purdue. We're going to need to play smart and accurate on special teams, especially kickoffs, but I like our chances. 

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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Sat Oct 27 09:42:35 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 27 09:35:31 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue
Message-ID: <bff.24e0bad8.3454a85b@aol.com>

Buddy Ryan said it best.  "Good teams win 3 in a row,  great teams win 4 
straight."  We are a good team, not a great  one.   Purdue 38-31 despite a great 
effort.  We'll get back on  track against Iowa. 
 
 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Oct 27 11:41:47 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Oct 27 11:41:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] No breaks today
Message-ID: <200710271641.l9RGfl9Y011385@romaine.tssi.com>

Purdue puts the ball on the ground 3 times in the first quarter and gets 
it back all 3 times, NU has a tipped pass intercepted, and if the WGN crew
is right their first TD should have been nullified on review.

So, it looks like the Cats aren't going to get any breaks today, that
means they will have to play a whole lot better than they have so far
to avoid getting thumped.

Sutton seems a bit rusty.

Michigan State looks to be much better than Iowa today.  
--
Mike Nolan

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Oct 27 12:32:52 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 27 12:28:21 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Purdue
Message-ID: <c01.226c795e.3454d044@aol.com>

Tied 14-14 at the half, we would be winning except for the 4 turnovers,  
Geaux Cats!



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 27 12:40:32 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Oct 27 12:32:07 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] At the half ...
Message-ID: <54275.3670.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Wow ... dunno how you can turn it over four times, get
all the bounces against you and still be tied at 14.

Fitz and the Cats gotta be feeling good. Now keep that
momentum for the second half and HANG ON TO THE DANG
BALL!!!

We looked like we were in danger of getting blown out
there in the first quarter - credit the D for some
nice stops (Wootten came alive and McManis is firing
them up). Even on the two Purdue TDs, we made them
earn every yard.

As for the O, CJ looks like he's shaken off the sloppy
start - hopefully that continues. GREAT CALL on the
second TD. And nice to see Sutton get some good runs,
too.

Purdue's penalties are helping too, and that personal
foul was nice, but deserved. A stupid play by the
Boiler defender.

They get the ball first, but they got booed off the
field by their own crowd on homecoming, so we gotta
come out, get a stuff (or better yet, a turnover) and
seize momentum.

GO CATS!!!
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sat Oct 27 12:44:42 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 27 12:37:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] At the half ...
Message-ID: <bf9.258e7204.3454d30a@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/27/2007 10:41:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
sjtruog@yahoo.com writes:

> Purdue's penalties are helping too, and that personal
> foul was nice, but deserved. A stupid play by the
> Boiler defender.
> 

Stupid, yes , but probably a bad call--we lucked out on that one--But 
certainly we have had more bad breaks , including the fumble for a TD for PU, than 
good ones--Bacher's last pick clearly should not be held against him and was 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 27 14:00:48 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Oct 27 13:52:23 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Dangit ...
Message-ID: <95217.29537.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Barring a miracle comeback, we really let one slip
away here in West Lafayette ...

Two stops to start the half for the D and all we can
come up with is a field goal to capitalize. That miss
on 3rd and goal really seemed to be the turning point.

But even after that, Purdue went 3-and-out and we had
the ball up three. It seemed like on all of our
offensive series after that, we went for the home run
on the first play, backing ourselves into 2nd and 3rd
and long. We also forgot about the balance and the
run.

Just sickening because despite the turnovers and poor
play early, we missed a big chance to get the W here
with Purdue having an off day on O and needing a lot
of bounces and two fourth down conversions on the goal
line to get it done.

The margin for error gets smaller now and Iowa's
mounting a nice comeback. Gotta come out sharp and not
let up next week.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From DPENDERG at aol.com  Sat Oct 27 14:53:03 2007
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 27 14:48:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Dangit ...
Message-ID: <c26.228f07cd.3454f11f@aol.com>

 
The team that tackles and blocks better almost always wins.  Certainly  true 
today.  Despite PU handing opportunities through penalties, Cats were  
pathetic with the arm tackling and sloppy blocking on the front line.   Bacher, like 
any other QB, can't perform well if he's rushed, which happened  most of the 
day.  Cat offense had a sobering reality check playing a pretty  good defense 
(certainly better than Minny or Central Michigan).  The  coaches and players 
will have to turn things around to win any of the last three  games. This was 
not a great day for Northwestern football.  I  thought they'd play better after 
the stumbling W over EMU.  
 
 
In a message dated 10/27/2007 3:01:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
sjtruog@yahoo.com writes:

Barring  a miracle comeback, we really let one slip
away here in West Lafayette  ...

Two stops to start the half for the D and all we can
come up  with is a field goal to capitalize. That miss
on 3rd and goal really seemed  to be the turning point.

But even after that, Purdue went 3-and-out and  we had
the ball up three. It seemed like on all of our
offensive series  after that, we went for the home run
on the first play, backing ourselves  into 2nd and 3rd
and long. We also forgot about the balance and  the
run.

Just sickening because despite the turnovers and  poor
play early, we missed a big chance to get the W here
with Purdue  having an off day on O and needing a lot
of bounces and two fourth down  conversions on the goal
line to get it done.

The margin for error  gets smaller now and Iowa's
mounting a nice comeback. Gotta come out sharp  and not
let up next week.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 27 15:01:59 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Oct 27 14:53:34 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten today ...
Message-ID: <153708.20289.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

How quickly things change ... probably not good for
the league (if we were the SEC, though, and a Miss
State team that just got trounced in Big East land
beat the east division co-leader, it'd be another sign
of great depth, I guess), but fun for fans.

Suddenly our next two games seem to have swapped
roles. Iowa's coming in off a big momentum win and
Indiana is looking to be in another late-season
tailspin (they'd be the new Sparty if Sparty wasn't
busy being the same old Sparty in late season).

So what does that mean for bowl hopes? Well ...


IN
==
* OHIO STATE - Four huge games remaining, but tonight
is the toughest, in a Happy Valley White Out. Should
be a heck of a showdown and fans who love defense may
finally get their classic game. January lock - BCS
title game if they win out.

* MICHIGAN - A bowl lock and they control their BCS
destiny if they can win out. Still, running the table
up to the OSU game makes a nice case for a Florida
destination.

* WISCONSIN - Suddenly the ship is righted (for home
games at least, where they can apparently play players
ineligible for road games) and Buckyball is back. Two
big games against the Big Two up next could move them
up in the rankings and bowl pecking order, but still
probably headed to Florida because of their fans.

* PENN STATE - A lot rides on tonight. A win vaults
them into the top 15 and they likely finish the year
on a 7-game win streak at 10-2 and in the thick of the
BCS hunt. A loss could mean San Antonio.

* PURDUE - They likely struggle next week in Happy
Valley, but otherwise they should finish the year
strong unless Indiana rebounds and head to San Antonio
or Orlando's second-tier bowl.

* ILLINOIS - It wasn't pretty today, but they got that
much-needed win and should get another next week to go
to 7 wins. Then it's the showdown in Columbus and
Sweet Sioux game - also probably being eyed by Texas
as well as Tampa.

BUBBLE
======
* IOWA - They looked down and out a couple weeks ago,
but big home wins over Illinois and MSU have turned it
around. With a road game at NU and two home games
against Minny and Western Michigan left, Iowa looks to
get six wins and the game in Evanston next week may be
the seventh to lock down a spot.

* NORTHWESTERN - It'd really be a shame if that Duke
loss comes back to hurt us, but with the fourth
quarter collapse at Purdue now, NU has little room for
error left. Iowa and Indiana visit Evanston next and
Illinois on the road is the finale. The Cats likely
need 2 of 3 to assure a bowl bid, but just getting #6
against the Hawks next week is looking mighty tough.

* INDIANA - Looked like a lock a couple weeks ago, but
some big losses to MSU and UW have shaken the
Hoosiers. They should get win #6 next week (though
Ball State is no gimme, as the Illini found out), but
they may need one of the last two at NU and home
against Purdue to assure a 13th game.

* MICHIGAN STATE - The good news for Sparty is that if
it comes down to a tie, the Motor City Bowl will
almost surely select MSU over anyone else. They also
get two of the last three at home. The bad news? Those
two games are PSU and Michigan and the other one's at
Purdue. Given MSU's late-season track record, 5-4
could turn into 5-7 real fast.

OUT = MINNESOTA
===============

So you have 10 teams fighting for 7 (possibly 8) slots
with three weeks remaining and a lot of them play each
other. Defending home turf and beating Iowa and
Indiana the next couple weeks would really help our
chances not just in getting 7 wins, but beating two of
our competitors for those remaining slots (and we
already beat MSU).

GO CATS!!!
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Oct 27 15:58:47 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Oct 27 15:51:05 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten Network
References: <153708.20289.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001601c818dc$2b8928a0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

I was watching the game on one of the Directv overflow channels, and the 
picture aspect ratio for some reason was 16 x 9 instead of the expected 4 x 
3.  I asked myself, has Directv put the overflows in HD?  I lookd and sure 
enough, two more HD channels are online, so I got to see the second half in 
glorious HD.

Unfortunately, C. J.'s mediocre performance, dropped passes, poor OL 
blocking, stupid penalties, fumbles we could never recover, and bad kickoffs 
were much uglier in HD. 

From WildElk2 at aol.com  Sat Oct 27 20:38:46 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Oct 27 20:31:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] pURDUE
Message-ID: <c49.1b413612.34554226@aol.com>

The outcome wasn't a surprise, but after we took a 17-14 lead, I was  
hopeful.  Credit Purdue for, let's call it like it was, simply kicking our  ass in 
the 4th quarter.  Unlike the Michigan game, in which we gave the  game away, 
Purdue took it from us.  4 yards in the 4th quarter.  
   OK, so that's the bad news.  The good news is that we  turned the ball 
over 4 times, yet still managed to get the lead, if ever so  brief.  I think it's 
telling that in what most of us considered prohibitive  losses (Michigan and 
Purdue), we've lead after 3 quarters in both games.   The fact is, we've been 
in the position to win.  We've been won or been in  all games except OSU.  We 
cut down the turnovers vs. Purdue/Michigan, and  your looking at 7-2, 4-1 in 
conference.
   But as we know, we did turn the ball over 8 times in those two  games.  So 
it's time to turn the page and focus on the worst thing since  the root 
canal-Iowa.  This is a huge game for both teams.  The winner  has a great chance to 
go bowling; the loser starts to think about 2008,  especially Iowa.  Iowa has 
had "challenges" on the road this year; let's  hope that holds next week.
 
             GO  CATS!!!  Eric    Trust the Plan!



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Oct 27 23:12:38 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Oct 27 23:04:15 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] pURDUE
In-Reply-To: <c49.1b413612.34554226@aol.com>
Message-ID: <539684.17407.qm@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> The outcome wasn't a surprise, but after we took a
> 17-14 lead, I was  
> hopeful.  Credit Purdue for, let's call it like it
> was, simply kicking our  ass in 

Well put. They just simply got physical and we got
pushed around in the fourth.

>    OK, so that's the bad news.  The good news is
> that we  turned the ball 
> over 4 times, yet still managed to get the lead, if

Yup. The turnovers really could have damaged us early
but we came back. It was that physical play that did
us in.

> ever so  brief.  I think it's 
> telling that in what most of us considered
> prohibitive  losses (Michigan and 
> Purdue), we've lead after 3 quarters in both games. 

Good point.

>  The fact is, we've been 
> in the position to win.  We've been won or been in 
> all games except OSU.  We 

And as tonight's game showed, I think we may have all
underestimated the Buckeyes this year. That was the
best game I've seen a team play this year - they went
into a hostile environment and methodically won every
phase of the game.

> it's time to turn the page and focus on the worst
> thing since  the root 
> canal-Iowa.  This is a huge game for both teams. 
> The winner  has a great chance to 
> go bowling; the loser starts to think about 2008, 
> especially Iowa.  Iowa has 

Not so sure there. Iowa has four wins now and Minny
and Western Michigan at home, so they'll get to six
and have a shot. But it is a huge game for both teams
in the bowl hunt. They'll be coming in on a high -
hopefully our offense starts clicking again.

I think the Hawkeyes are probably the most physical
game we have left. They'll try and smash it down our
throats and their D is tough. Our lines on both sides
need to come to play next Saturday, and if we can get
up a couple scores early, that would be great to take
Iowa out of their game plan.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Sun Oct 28 08:25:40 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Sun Oct 28 08:17:50 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] pURDUE
Message-ID: <102820071325.29619.47248DD400052424000073B32216566276090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

It will probably take seven wins to get a bowl bid this year and the fact that no one shows up for NU home games makes it a long shot that NU gets a bowl bid.

John DeGroat
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From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
> > The outcome wasn't a surprise, but after we took a
> > 17-14 lead, I was  
> > hopeful.  Credit Purdue for, let's call it like it
> > was, simply kicking our  ass in 
> 
> Well put. They just simply got physical and we got
> pushed around in the fourth.
> 
> >    OK, so that's the bad news.  The good news is
> > that we  turned the ball 
> > over 4 times, yet still managed to get the lead, if
> 
> Yup. The turnovers really could have damaged us early
> but we came back. It was that physical play that did
> us in.
> 
> > ever so  brief.  I think it's 
> > telling that in what most of us considered
> > prohibitive  losses (Michigan and 
> > Purdue), we've lead after 3 quarters in both games. 
> 
> Good point.
> 
> >  The fact is, we've been 
> > in the position to win.  We've been won or been in 
> > all games except OSU.  We 
> 
> And as tonight's game showed, I think we may have all
> underestimated the Buckeyes this year. That was the
> best game I've seen a team play this year - they went
> into a hostile environment and methodically won every
> phase of the game.
> 
> > it's time to turn the page and focus on the worst
> > thing since  the root 
> > canal-Iowa.  This is a huge game for both teams. 
> > The winner  has a great chance to 
> > go bowling; the loser starts to think about 2008, 
> > especially Iowa.  Iowa has 
> 
> Not so sure there. Iowa has four wins now and Minny
> and Western Michigan at home, so they'll get to six
> and have a shot. But it is a huge game for both teams
> in the bowl hunt. They'll be coming in on a high -
> hopefully our offense starts clicking again.
> 
> I think the Hawkeyes are probably the most physical
> game we have left. They'll try and smash it down our
> throats and their D is tough. Our lines on both sides
> need to come to play next Saturday, and if we can get
> up a couple scores early, that would be great to take
> Iowa out of their game plan.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Oct 28 09:07:03 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct 28 08:59:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] pURDUE
Message-ID: <bde.201fae5d.3455f187@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/28/2007 5:26:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
johnadeg@comcast.net writes:

> It will probably take seven wins to get a bowl bid this year and the fact 
> that no one shows up for NU home games makes it a long shot that NU gets a 
> bowl bid.
> 
> John DeGroat
> 

And to be honest, do we deserve much of a bowl bid ?  While I would be happy 
to have us go to a bottom tier bowl, we certainly have not shown bowl material 
most of  the year-  We are not bad , but we are not  too good either .I 
havent checked our rating, but I suspect that we are not in the top half.  

Yes we have had some exciting wins, but have played poorly in many other 
games--Our record will be inflated by a very easy non-conference schedule -at 
least 3 of those games we played poorly--or at least below how a bowl bound team 
should play-

Still I am optimistic about the future--we are going in the right direction 
albeit with some starts and stops and Fitz is the right guy and will learn as 
he gets more experience.

Harry



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From: neonrye at aol.com (neonrye@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct 28 10:53:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] pURDUE
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We have three very "winnable" games left, and yet I could also see us "running the table" in reverse and losing all three if things don't go well against the Hawkeyes next Saturday.? Indiana may be fighting for bowl bid when we play them, and Illini are probably just too fast and athletic for us, and I have visions (nightmares) of Mendenhall running for 200 yards against our D-Line.



If we win out, and finish 8-4, then certainly we will be deserving of a bowl bid (Our BT record would then be 5-3.).? If we win next two games at home, and then lose in Champaign, we would be "on the cusp", and it would depend upon how Hoosiers and Sparty finish, as we are least likely to win figurative "tie-breaker" for bowl bid--and that may even occur notwithstanding if we beat Indy and thus will have won game against each team--given our attendance deficiencies, loss to Duke, etc.



The main thing is that the 'Cats control their own destiny, and if they play well and manage to take their remaining games, they will go.? You can't ask for more than that at this stage of season, and I refuse to spend any more psychic energy thinking about how the Duke loss is killing our chances.

By the way, I agree with Stephen T.--Buckeyes really impressed last night, and Boeckman is a big, tough, poised QB, who efficiently runs their offense.? He looks better every time I see him, and while Henne has always had a big rep and a big arm, he also makes mistakes at key times.? Boeckman, on the other hand, seems to make good decisions with the ball, and is very accurate.? OSU really exposed PSU--the Nits' fans must be very down this morning.

Paul Levinson


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In a message dated 10/28/2007 5:26:59 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
johnadeg@comcast.net writes:

> It will probably take seven wins to get a bowl bid this year and the fact 
> that no one shows up for NU home games makes it a long shot that NU gets a 
> bowl bid.
> 
> John DeGroat
> 

And to be honest, do we deserve much of a bowl bid ?  While I would be happy 
to have us go to a bottom tier bowl, we certainly have not shown bowl material 
most of  the year-  We are not bad , but we are not  too good either .I 
havent checked our rating, but I suspect that we are not in the top half.  

Yes we have had some exciting wins, but have played poorly in many other 
games--Our record will be inflated by a very easy non-conference schedule -at 
least 3 of those games we played poorly--or at least below how a bowl bound team 

should play-

Still I am optimistic about the future--we are going in the right direction 
albeit with some starts and stops and Fitz is the right guy and will learn as 
he gets more experience.

Harry



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From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Oct 28 12:50:14 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] pURDUE
In-Reply-To: <bde.201fae5d.3455f187@aol.com>
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> > It will probably take seven wins to get a bowl bid
> this year and the fact 
> 
> And to be honest, do we deserve much of a bowl bid ?

If we win our next two games, definitely. That would
give us at least 7 wins, at least a .500 record in
conference and we would have defeated all of our main
competitors for the final bowl slots in MSU, Iowa and
Indiana.

The Big Ten clearly has 6 bowl teams and 7 slots (only
way we get to BCS now is if Michigan decides to run
the table and win the home finale of Lloyd Carr). The
big question now is how many of the four contenders -
MSU, NU, Iowa and Indiana - will become eligible for
that last spot (and any others that may open up).

We've already beaten MSU. We have the Hawkeyes and
Hoosiers at home. The ball is literally in our
court/field. Take care of business at home and we
definitely deserve that bowl spot.

It should be a fun final few weeks in that race for
Detroit.:) Will we all knock each other out, all
become eligible or somewhere in between?

MSU probably has the toughest schedule left - and the
worst mentality being that they're into their usual
mental Sparty slide. A loss to Michigan this weekend
just about does them in. But if there's a mass 6-6
deadlock, they get the bid to play down the road.

Iowa has the easiest schedule, with NU on the road and
Minny/WMU at home. A win Saturday probably locks it up
for them as they beat MSU already (but lost to IU).

Indiana's the wild card. Talented? Yes. But also
inexperienced. They're starting to get into this
mentality of losing every time they try for the sixth
win. They should get it this weekend at home against
Ball State, but after that they visit NU and host
Purdue - same as us where they could win both or lose
both. A loss this weekend to Ball State, though, and a
Sparty-like tailspin could ensue.

And NU is the one with the most control over their
fate. Win the next two at home, and we have at least 7
wins, including Ws over all three of the competition.

Hopefully that's what Fitz is stressing to the team -
we control our fate, we don't need to rely on anyone
else. Just win at home and start with the Hog-eyes!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Oct 28 13:09:49 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Oct 28 13:01:17 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] pURDUE
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Have to agree that 6-6 won't get it done this year, even though that 
exact record was sufficient for a Motor City Bowl bid in 2003.  But, if 
we get to 7-5, we should be in. -- Jim


SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
>>> It will probably take seven wins to get a bowl bid
>>>       
>> this year and the fact 
>>
>> And to be honest, do we deserve much of a bowl bid ?
>>     
>
> If we win our next two games, definitely. That would
> give us at least 7 wins, at least a .500 record in
> conference and we would have defeated all of our main
> competitors for the final bowl slots in MSU, Iowa and
> Indiana.
>
> The Big Ten clearly has 6 bowl teams and 7 slots (only
> way we get to BCS now is if Michigan decides to run
> the table and win the home finale of Lloyd Carr). The
> big question now is how many of the four contenders -
> MSU, NU, Iowa and Indiana - will become eligible for
> that last spot (and any others that may open up).
>
> We've already beaten MSU. We have the Hawkeyes and
> Hoosiers at home. The ball is literally in our
> court/field. Take care of business at home and we
> definitely deserve that bowl spot.
>
> It should be a fun final few weeks in that race for
> Detroit.:) Will we all knock each other out, all
> become eligible or somewhere in between?
>
> MSU probably has the toughest schedule left - and the
> worst mentality being that they're into their usual
> mental Sparty slide. A loss to Michigan this weekend
> just about does them in. But if there's a mass 6-6
> deadlock, they get the bid to play down the road.
>
> Iowa has the easiest schedule, with NU on the road and
> Minny/WMU at home. A win Saturday probably locks it up
> for them as they beat MSU already (but lost to IU).
>
> Indiana's the wild card. Talented? Yes. But also
> inexperienced. They're starting to get into this
> mentality of losing every time they try for the sixth
> win. They should get it this weekend at home against
> Ball State, but after that they visit NU and host
> Purdue - same as us where they could win both or lose
> both. A loss this weekend to Ball State, though, and a
> Sparty-like tailspin could ensue.
>
> And NU is the one with the most control over their
> fate. Win the next two at home, and we have at least 7
> wins, including Ws over all three of the competition.
>
> Hopefully that's what Fitz is stressing to the team -
> we control our fate, we don't need to rely on anyone
> else. Just win at home and start with the Hog-eyes!
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
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From DPENDERG at aol.com  Sun Oct 28 17:13:57 2007
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Sun Oct 28 17:09:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] pURDUE
Message-ID: <c46.232a36df.345663a5@aol.com>

 
All of this talk about bowl games and winning the last three games  overlooks 
the fact that we have to play a lot better to win even one of those  games.  
Our two Big Ten wins were the narrowest of victories over weak  opponents and 
easily could have been losses.   We have yet to beat a really  quality team 
this year.  Talking about playing competively for three  quarters against UM or 
PU cannot excuse fourth quarter meltdowns  to say nothing of the Duke 
embarrassment.  Bacher simply does not play  well when he gets rushed hard and our 
running game is virtually non-existent  when playing good teams.  On defense, we 
have continued problems mounting a  pass rush and covering people in the 
secondary.  Easy to say the next three  games are "winnable" but that requires 
significant improvement on both  sides of the ball.  Starting with elimination of 
the poor blocking and  tackling.   Could happen, but the performance on the 
field the last  two weeks does not inspire.  Iowa, Indiana and Illinois all will 
be equally  desperate for W's, so Cat coaches and players have to step up or 
it  will be long winter in Evanston.  
 

 
 
In a message dated 10/28/2007 12:03:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
neonrye@aol.com writes:


We  have three very "winnable" games left, and yet I could also see us 
"running  the table" in reverse and losing all three if things don't go well against 
the  Hawkeyes next Saturday.? Indiana may be fighting for bowl bid when we 
play  them, and Illini are probably just too fast and athletic for us, and I 
have  visions (nightmares) of Mendenhall running for 200 yards against our  
D-Line.



If we win out, and finish 8-4, then certainly we will  be deserving of a bowl 
bid (Our BT record would then be 5-3.).? If we win next  two games at home, 
and then lose in Champaign, we would be "on the cusp", and  it would depend 
upon how Hoosiers and Sparty finish, as we are least likely to  win figurative 
"tie-breaker" for bowl bid--and that may even occur  notwithstanding if we beat 
Indy and thus will have won game against each  team--given our attendance 
deficiencies, loss to Duke, etc.



The  main thing is that the 'Cats control their own destiny, and if they play 
well  and manage to take their remaining games, they will go.? You can't ask 
for  more than that at this stage of season, and I refuse to spend any more 
psychic  energy thinking about how the Duke loss is killing our chances.

By the  way, I agree with Stephen T.--Buckeyes really impressed last night, 
and  Boeckman is a big, tough, poised QB, who efficiently runs their offense.? 
He  looks better every time I see him, and while Henne has always had a big 
rep  and a big arm, he also makes mistakes at key times.? Boeckman, on the other 
 hand, seems to make good decisions with the ball, and is very accurate.? OSU 
 really exposed PSU--the Nits' fans must be very down this morning.

Paul  Levinson


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In a message dated 10/28/2007 5:26:59 AM  Pacific Standard Time, 
johnadeg@comcast.net writes:

> It will  probably take seven wins to get a bowl bid this year and the fact 
>  that no one shows up for NU home games makes it a long shot that NU gets a 
 
> bowl bid.
> 
> John DeGroat
> 

And to be  honest, do we deserve much of a bowl bid ?  While I would be happy 
to  have us go to a bottom tier bowl, we certainly have not shown bowl 
material  
most of  the year-  We are not bad , but we are not  too  good either .I 
havent checked our rating, but I suspect that we are not in  the top half.  




Yes we  have had some exciting wins, but have played poorly in many other  
games--Our record will be inflated by a very easy non-conference schedule  
-at 
least 3 of those games we played poorly--or at least below how a bowl  bound 
team 

should play-

Still I am optimistic about the  future--we are going in the right direction 
albeit with some starts and  stops and Fitz is the right guy and will learn 
as 
he gets more  experience.

Harry



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From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Oct 29 12:02:47 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] it's Joe
Message-ID: <bb9.207c8e75.34576d3c@aol.com>

Yankees have offered Joe Girardi their managerial position, according to  
published reports.  
It is believed Girardi has been given a three-year, $6 million package to  
become Joe Torre's replacement on the Yankee's bench. 



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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Mon Oct 29 13:08:43 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Oct 29 13:00:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi
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Looks like Joe got the deal done.

Should be a good for the yanks.  Girardi is a good manager with an aggressive
national league style.

It is also interesting that Mattingly is no longer on the staff.  Probably
wise at this point for Mattingly to stay on the sidelines if Girardi
stumbles.  

Jury still out on whether or not this is going to be a good deal for Girardi.
He had some problems with ownership in his last go 'round.  Clearly a lot
more expectations in this job.  In particular, he has to rebuild the team
with an emphasis on youth and what's in their farm system and less on using
free agency.

Unfortunately, free agency and big payrolls got a huge boost as a strategy
for success with the Red Sox sweeping the Rocks.

It isn't clear what happened with LaRussa signing on for another two years
with the Cards.  Speculation is that he was unhappy with how the Yankees
treated Torre, but the Cardinals didn't do much better with LaRussa's friend
GM Jocketty.  I guess this isn't a good time to a friend of Tony LaRussa.
Cards owner DeWitt appears to have papered over any hard feelings with lots
of money and a promise to turn over at least part of the GM player-related
responsibilities.

Anyone care to speculate on A-Rod's next contract?

Jeff



From Hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Oct 29 13:35:09 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Oct 29 13:27:42 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi
Message-ID: <c4d.20a65b0f.345781dd@aol.com>

It would be great news for Joe and NU--He had problems in Florida because 
management there was too intrusive--He said at his interview that he thinks that 
he may have learned a few things from that experience to help him with the 
similar situation expected in NY--I believe a guy as smart as he is would have 
--though time will tell--and it is possible that with George's  mental health 
getting worse (or at least rumored to be so) his kids won't be as bad--

As a Red Sox fan (who is thrilled to have 2 titles in my lifetime, after 
waiting 40 years  for one,) I will not be able to root quite as hard against the 
Yankees with Joe not only being a  fellow alum but a fellow major (BSIE) 
--Everything you have ever heard about him is postive  (assuming you havent heard 
anything from Jeff Luria !)

As for A-rod----expect $30 MM  per year  from a rich team such as the NYM, 
Angels, or Dodgers--He is truly the best player in the game--though not sure why 
he couldnt be at the gamelast night to accept the award from Hank 
Aaron--maybe says somemthing about his lack of intangibles

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From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 29 13:55:31 2007
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Mon Oct 29 13:46:58 2007
Subject: Fw: [NU Sports] it's Joe
Message-ID: <398961.579.qm@web60714.mail.yahoo.com>

Now all of us Yankee haters are stuck.  I love to root against the Yankees, but how can I root against Girardi?  Makes you almost wish Mattingly got the job...especially since I think Girardi will do a pretty good job.


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Yankees have offered Joe Girardi their managerial position, according to  
published reports.  
It is believed Girardi has been given a three-year, $6 million package to  
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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Mon Oct 29 13:55:15 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Oct 29 13:47:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi
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Harry wrote <snip>  

As for A-rod----expect $30 MM  per year  from a rich team such as the NYM,
Angels, or Dodgers--He is truly the best player in the game--though not sure
why he couldnt be at the gamelast night to accept the award from Hank
Aaron--maybe says somemthing about his lack of intangibles

===================
 
That's because if it isn't about A-Rod, he isn't interested.  He ended up
causing more of a stir by not being there and by announceing he was leaving
the yanks.
 
It's why you gotta love baseball.  It is a team game where one player,
regardless of how talented (A-Rod, Bonds, Ted Williams, etc.), doesn't
guarantee a championship.
 
My prediction is that what ever team wins the next A-Rod lottery will not
appear in the WS during the time he is on the roster.
 
Jeff
 
 
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Oct 29 14:15:49 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Oct 29 14:15:53 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
Message-ID: <200710291915.l9TJFna2031104@romaine.tssi.com>

> It would be great news for Joe and NU--He had problems in Florida because 
> management there was too intrusive

And George Steinbrenner has never been intrusive?  Best laugh I've had
all month!

$6 million over 3 years is a savings of about $15 million over what 
they were paying Torre.  That ought to enable George to add some 3rd 
rate player to the roster now that A-Rod is apparently taking a hike.  

Joe, we love ya, but the clock is now ticking towards the day when 
you get fired.
--
Mike Nolan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Oct 29 15:42:40 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Oct 29 15:32:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi
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One of "Coach Roy's Rules" is:

How many All Stars never played in a Super Bowl? Or a World Series.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:55 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Girardi
> 
> Harry wrote <snip>
> 
> As for A-rod----expect $30 MM  per year  from a rich team such as the NYM,
> Angels, or Dodgers--He is truly the best player in the game--though not
> sure
> why he couldnt be at the gamelast night to accept the award from Hank
> Aaron--maybe says somemthing about his lack of intangibles
> 
> ===================
> 
> That's because if it isn't about A-Rod, he isn't interested.  He ended up
> causing more of a stir by not being there and by announceing he was leaving
> the yanks.
> 
> It's why you gotta love baseball.  It is a team game where one player,
> regardless of how talented (A-Rod, Bonds, Ted Williams, etc.), doesn't
> guarantee a championship.
> 
> My prediction is that what ever team wins the next A-Rod lottery will not
> appear in the WS during the time he is on the roster.
> 
> Jeff
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Oct 29 15:43:47 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Oct 29 15:33:30 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
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I think even Tommy [Bleed Dodger Blue] Lasorda accepted the job expecting to be
fired one day.

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> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Mike Nolan
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:16 PM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
> 
> > It would be great news for Joe and NU--He had problems in Florida because
> > management there was too intrusive
> 
> And George Steinbrenner has never been intrusive?  Best laugh I've had
> all month!
> 
> $6 million over 3 years is a savings of about $15 million over what
> they were paying Torre.  That ought to enable George to add some 3rd
> rate player to the roster now that A-Rod is apparently taking a hike.
> 
> Joe, we love ya, but the clock is now ticking towards the day when
> you get fired.
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Oct 29 15:58:30 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Oct 29 15:50:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
References: <200710291915.l9TJFna2031104@romaine.tssi.com>
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>I think even Tommy [Bleed Dodger Blue] Lasorda accepted the job expecting 
>to be
> fired one day.

But in the Yankees' case, you can be fire IN one day.  R.I.P. Joe Girardi. 
At least the coffin will be lined in gold.  (A-Rod with the Mets?  Nah!  Not 
at short or third.  While I would love to see the Phillies have someone of 
that caliber playing third, not at $300M.  That's insanity.)

Any news on the Cats' TV schedule this Saturday? 

From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Mon Oct 29 16:17:08 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Oct 29 16:09:34 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
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I think that the Giants and the Dodgers are going to be in the final hunt for
A-Rod.  The Giants have some money to spend by letting Barry go.  They also
need some star power to keep putting people in the seats.  A-Rod may not like
it though because it isn't a very hitter-friendly park.  Clearly thought they
love dysfunctional home run hitters there, so perhaps it will be a good fit.

The Dodgers just need to win.  A-Rod isn't the player they should sign if
they want to do that, but ownership sometimes lets ego get in the way of good
judgment.

Jeff
 

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Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:59 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
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>I think even Tommy [Bleed Dodger Blue] Lasorda accepted the job 
>expecting to be  fired one day.

But in the Yankees' case, you can be fire IN one day.  R.I.P. Joe Girardi. 
At least the coffin will be lined in gold.  (A-Rod with the Mets?  Nah!  Not
at short or third.  While I would love to see the Phillies have someone of
that caliber playing third, not at $300M.  That's insanity.)

Any news on the Cats' TV schedule this Saturday? 

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From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 29 16:50:47 2007
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Mon Oct 29 16:42:13 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
Message-ID: <490464.5655.qm@web60722.mail.yahoo.com>

The Giants spent $127 million on that other Barry (Zito) last year, so whether they can afford A-Rod is questionable.  After all, they actually used (gasp) private funds only to build Phone-Company-du-Jour Park, and they're in a lot of debt.  But A-Rod's always hit the ball well there and I think he's said he likes the park.

Not that this is Northwestern-related or anything...unless you count the Giants beat writer for the Oakland Tribune, who's a WNUR alum.

----- Original Message ----
From: Jeff Beamsley <jeff.beamsley@hilgraeve.com>
To: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:17:08 PM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)

I think that the Giants and the Dodgers are going to be in the final hunt for
A-Rod.  The Giants have some money to spend by letting Barry go.  They also
need some star power to keep putting people in the seats.  A-Rod may not like
it though because it isn't a very hitter-friendly park.  Clearly thought they
love dysfunctional home run hitters there, so perhaps it will be a good fit.

The Dodgers just need to win.  A-Rod isn't the player they should sign if
they want to do that, but ownership sometimes lets ego get in the way of good
judgment.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:59 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)

>I think even Tommy [Bleed Dodger Blue] Lasorda accepted the job 
>expecting to be  fired one day.

But in the Yankees' case, you can be fire IN one day.  R.I.P. Joe Girardi. 
At least the coffin will be lined in gold.  (A-Rod with the Mets?  Nah!   Not
at short or third.  While I would love to see the Phillies have someone of
that caliber playing third, not at $300M.  That's insanity.)

Any news on the Cats' TV schedule this Saturday? 

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From s.fridley at comcast.net  Mon Oct 29 16:54:23 2007
From: s.fridley at comcast.net (s.fridley@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Oct 29 16:46:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
Message-ID: <102920072154.5663.4726568F0002D22C0000161F2200735446970A040B079D00D29C@comcast.net>

>Joe, we love ya, but the clock is now ticking towards the day when 
> you get fired.

As is the case for every manager everywhere.  No doubt that the clock ticks louder and more impatiently in the Bronx than anywhere else, but it remains the pinnacle coaching position in American sports.  

If Joe Torre can get fired, so can Girardi.  In the meantime he actually gets to put on the pinstripes and do the job.  Guys like him focus on about how to succeed, not worrying about the day he gets fired.  I'd be more concerned for him if he hadn't been a Yankee and didn't know the score.  And I'd much rather get fired by the Yankees than by the Marlins...


From Hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Oct 29 17:28:24 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Oct 29 17:20:52 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
Message-ID: <c68.1d712f24.3457b888@aol.com>

In a message dated 10/29/2007 2:07:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
s.fridley@comcast.net writes:

> As is the case for every manager everywhere.  No doubt that the clock ticks 
> louder and more impatiently in the Bronx than anywhere else, but it remains 
> the pinnacle coaching position in American sports.  
> 
> If Joe Torre can get fired, so can Girardi.  In the meantime he actually 
> gets to put on the pinstripes and do the job.  Guys like him focus on about how 
> to succeed, not worrying about the day he gets fired.  I'd be more concerned 
> for him if he hadn't been a Yankee and didn't know the score.  And I'd much 
> rather get fired by the Yankees than by the Marlins...
> 
> 

Yes I agree with just about everything here (except maybe the ND football 
head coaching job  as being at the pinnacle) 

Joe knows where to put his energies-and if he succeeds it will help bring 
further good name to NU--and if not--then I can smile 

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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Mon Oct 29 18:39:54 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Mon Oct 29 18:32:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cat TV
Message-ID: <c6f.1b6fb5de.3457c94a@aol.com>

Per Daily Herald on-line, Cats/Iowa on ESPN2 at Noon  EST.   The Indiana game 
will be shown on ESPN Classic; noon kick-off  EST.  Good news for us Comcast 
people.  
         
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 29 23:45:56 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Oct 29 23:37:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Week 10
Message-ID: <340672.89617.qm@web52903.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Standings out soon, but now for the week 10 lineup. No
Thursday game this week with VaTech's loss making the
Tech Tussle not as enticing as it could have been. But
we still have some big battles in the Big Ten, a
colossal showdown out west and some "put up or shut
up" challenges for some top 20 teams.

PIGSKIN PICKS - WEEK 10
#######################
Name: 

BIG TEN
=======
Game  1: Illinois @ Minnesota
Winner : 

Game  2: Ball State @ Indiana
Winner : 

Game  3: Michigan @ Michigan State
Winner : 

Game  4: Wisconsin @ Ohio State
Winner : 

Game  5: Purdue @ Penn State
Winner : 

NATIONAL
========
Game  6: Arizona State @ Oregon
Winner : 

Game  7: LSU @ Alabama
Winner : 

Game  8: Florida State @ Boston College
Winner : 

Game  9: Texas A&M @ Oklahoma
Winner : 

Game 10: Rutgers @ Connecticut
Winner : 

MY PICKS
========
* ILLINOIS 38, Minnesota 14 - Mendenhall wears down
the Gopher defense

* INDIANA 28, Ball State 23 - It's close, but the
Hoosiers get that much-needed sixth win

* MICHIGAN 27, Michigan State 24 - Always close in
rivalry games and Sparty's hanging saving their season
on it, but the Wolverines escape

* OHIO STATE 21, Wisconsin 7 - Slobberknocker of a
game as Bucky's one of the few teams not afraid of OSU
in the Shoe, but #1 looked like #1 last week and they
make the plays when they have to in this one

* PENN STATE 34, Purdue 17 - This could be for a trip
to Tampa and PSU might be mopey after last week, but
they won't slip up on Senior Day and they have usually
handled Tiller's spread better than anyone

* OREGON 24, Arizona State 20 - Should be a dandy in
Eugene as the Devils are for real and one heck of a
second-half team ... but the Ducks are at home and a
win here might jump them over LSU in the BCS.

* LSU 38, Alabama 24 - There will be some emotion, but
it's not like Saban's returning to Death Valley - that
will be later. Tempting to go with the upset, but the
Tigers rebound from a slow start and outscore the Tide

* BOSTON COLLEGE 17, Florida State 12 - Another
tempting upset, but there's a charm around BC this
year and they're at home. Maybe at Clemson they'll
fall, but they get another win here

* OKLAHOMA 49, Texas A&M 14 - The Sooners love the
primetime lights and say goodbye to Coach Fran in
blowout fashion - but they need LSU or Oregon to lose
to have any BCS title hopes

* RUTGERS 27, Connecticut 10 - Ding dong ... it's
midnight in Stoors and the whole darn conference
continues to be overrated

And off the board ...

* NORTHWESTERN 31, Iowa 30 - Both teams need this one
for bowl position and the Hawkeyes come in with a lot
of momentum ... but I'll go with the Cats at home as
CJ has a big day

Remember, picks due by kickoff Saturday.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Oct 30 05:13:57 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Oct 30 05:05:31 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <001201c81a6e$75ff00b0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
References: <200710291915.l9TJFna2031104@romaine.tssi.com>
	<001a01c81a6c$67afe530$370faf90$@com>
	<001201c81a6e$75ff00b0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270710300313n2602691cp1626e9966ea56403@mail.gmail.com>

This Saturday's game will be on ESPN2 at 11AM CT (with Pam Ward
announcing).  Next week against Indiana the game will be at 11AM on ESPN
Classic.

Jonathan

On 10/29/07, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >I think even Tommy [Bleed Dodger Blue] Lasorda accepted the job expecting
> >to be
> > fired one day.
>
> But in the Yankees' case, you can be fire IN one day.  R.I.P. Joe Girardi.
> At least the coffin will be lined in gold.  (A-Rod with the
> Mets?  Nah!  Not
> at short or third.  While I would love to see the Phillies have someone of
> that caliber playing third, not at $300M.  That's insanity.)
>
> Any news on the Cats' TV schedule this Saturday?
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Oct 30 05:22:21 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Oct 30 05:14:32 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Cat TV
References: <c6f.1b6fb5de.3457c94a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000701c81ade$c1ebff30$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

<   Per Daily Herald on-line, Cats/Iowa on ESPN2 at Noon EST.   The Indiana game will be shown on ESPN Classic; noon kick-off EST.  Good news for us Comcast people.  

And good news for us HD people since ESPN classic still isn't broadcast in HD.
From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Tue Oct 30 08:26:17 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Tue Oct 30 08:19:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0C0100F6CE@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <000901c81af8$7402eee0$6500a8c0@PC244461808863>

The A-Rod Derby probably comes down to the Dodgers, Angels, Giants White Sox
and Cubs the latter two depending on who ends up with the Cubs and how
quickly that becomes known.  The White Sox probably don't get in the game
unless the Cubs do and the Cubs don't get in the game unless the new owner
gives it his blessing.  I wouldn't be surprised to see it come down to the
Dodgers and Angels and the Angels the likely winner.  A-Rod may prefer to
stay in the AL and Moreno may be hunting for a marquee player to continue
the Angels box office success, plus a Latino superstar would certainly be a
plus in Anaheim.

 

 

I too am conflicted with Girardi in the Bronx as I can't stand to see Yankee
success.  I was hoping for Mattingly with Girardi getting another, better
job.

 

Mark

 

 

SportsBiz  <http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com/> - The Business of Sports
Illuminated

When it comes to sports, you know it's all about

the money.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:17 PM
To: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)

 

I think that the Giants and the Dodgers are going to be in the final hunt
for

A-Rod.  The Giants have some money to spend by letting Barry go.  They also

need some star power to keep putting people in the seats.  A-Rod may not
like

it though because it isn't a very hitter-friendly park.  Clearly thought
they

love dysfunctional home run hitters there, so perhaps it will be a good fit.

 

The Dodgers just need to win.  A-Rod isn't the player they should sign if

they want to do that, but ownership sometimes lets ego get in the way of
good

judgment.

 

Jeff

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On

Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt

Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:59 PM

To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com

Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)

 

>I think even Tommy [Bleed Dodger Blue] Lasorda accepted the job 

>expecting to be  fired one day.

 

But in the Yankees' case, you can be fire IN one day.  R.I.P. Joe Girardi. 

At least the coffin will be lined in gold.  (A-Rod with the Mets?  Nah!  Not

at short or third.  While I would love to see the Phillies have someone of

that caliber playing third, not at $300M.  That's insanity.)

 

Any news on the Cats' TV schedule this Saturday? 

 

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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Tue Oct 30 08:40:15 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Oct 30 08:32:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <000901c81af8$7402eee0$6500a8c0@PC244461808863>
References: <4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0C0100F6CE@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>
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The Angels have to resign Vlad first and they owe him a big payday.  If they
turn around and sign A-Rod for even more money, they could create real
problems in the clubhouse.  This team has been built around Vlad and he, in
return, has carried the team when they needed it.  Otherwise, I agree, A-Rod
would fit well with their marketing in SoCal.
 
The Angels success with the Latino market is why I think Dodgers owners will
get greedy and figure that paying A-Rod a lot of money will restore their
pride as the leading baseball franchise in California.  They're wrong,
because pride comes from winning in the post season and not how much money
you spend, but they aren't going to listen to me.   
 
Jeff

________________________________

From: Mark Ament [mailto:prplehaze@insightbb.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 9:26 AM
To: Jeff Beamsley; 'Dennis W. Brandt'; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)



The A-Rod Derby probably comes down to the Dodgers, Angels, Giants White Sox
and Cubs the latter two depending on who ends up with the Cubs and how
quickly that becomes known.  The White Sox probably don't get in the game
unless the Cubs do and the Cubs don't get in the game unless the new owner
gives it his blessing.  I wouldn't be surprised to see it come down to the
Dodgers and Angels and the Angels the likely winner.  A-Rod may prefer to
stay in the AL and Moreno may be hunting for a marquee player to continue the
Angels box office success, plus a Latino superstar would certainly be a plus
in Anaheim.

 

 

I too am conflicted with Girardi in the Bronx as I can't stand to see Yankee
success.  I was hoping for Mattingly with Girardi getting another, better
job.

 

Mark

 

 

SportsBiz - The Business of Sports Illuminated
<http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com/> 

When it comes to sports, you know it's all about

the money.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:17 PM
To: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)

 

I think that the Giants and the Dodgers are going to be in the final hunt for

A-Rod.  The Giants have some money to spend by letting Barry go.  They also

need some star power to keep putting people in the seats.  A-Rod may not like

it though because it isn't a very hitter-friendly park.  Clearly thought they

love dysfunctional home run hitters there, so perhaps it will be a good fit.

 

The Dodgers just need to win.  A-Rod isn't the player they should sign if

they want to do that, but ownership sometimes lets ego get in the way of good

judgment.

 

Jeff

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On

Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt

Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:59 PM

To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com

Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)

 

>I think even Tommy [Bleed Dodger Blue] Lasorda accepted the job 

>expecting to be  fired one day.

 

But in the Yankees' case, you can be fire IN one day.  R.I.P. Joe Girardi. 

At least the coffin will be lined in gold.  (A-Rod with the Mets?  Nah!  Not

at short or third.  While I would love to see the Phillies have someone of

that caliber playing third, not at $300M.  That's insanity.)

 

Any news on the Cats' TV schedule this Saturday? 

 

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Oct 30 08:43:32 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct 30 08:36:03 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
Message-ID: <c7d.1729cd90.34588f04@aol.com>

One thing you have to love about Girardi being named Manager of the Yanks  
(besides him being eminently qualified for the position) is that virtually every 
 article descirbes him as "intelligent" and "well-prepared", and then in that 
 sentence or the next one mentions that he went to Northwestern where he 
received  a degree in Engineering.  We haven't received such good and widespread  
publicity since the Rose Bowl.  The Yankee Manager job is one of the most,  if 
not the most, prominent leadership positions in the world of sports (even  
overseas I would guess).
 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Oct 30 11:11:38 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Oct 30 11:03:50 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
References: <c7d.1729cd90.34588f04@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001901c81b0f$8dafb0a0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

One thing you have to love about Girardi being named Manager of the Yanks (besides him being eminently qualified for the position) is that virtually every article descirbes him as "intelligent" and "well-prepared", and then in that sentence or the next one mentions that he went to Northwestern where he received a degree in Engineering.  We haven't received such good and widespread publicity since the Rose Bowl.  The Yankee Manager job is one of the most, if not the most, prominent leadership positions in the world of sports (even overseas I would guess).

Girardi better be a good engineer because he's going to have to build a lot of bridges to the owner's office and breastworks against the press.
From johnadeg at comcast.net  Tue Oct 30 15:04:14 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Oct 30 14:56:12 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
Message-ID: <103020072004.6791.47278E3D000E26E100001A872216551406090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

The local Harrisburg PA has A-Rod wanting a piece of the Cubs ownership in some form or the other.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Mark Ament" <prplehaze@insightbb.com>
> The A-Rod Derby probably comes down to the Dodgers, Angels, Giants White Sox
> and Cubs the latter two depending on who ends up with the Cubs and how
> quickly that becomes known.  The White Sox probably don't get in the game
> unless the Cubs do and the Cubs don't get in the game unless the new owner
> gives it his blessing.  I wouldn't be surprised to see it come down to the
> Dodgers and Angels and the Angels the likely winner.  A-Rod may prefer to
> stay in the AL and Moreno may be hunting for a marquee player to continue
> the Angels box office success, plus a Latino superstar would certainly be a
> plus in Anaheim.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> I too am conflicted with Girardi in the Bronx as I can't stand to see Yankee
> success.  I was hoping for Mattingly with Girardi getting another, better
> job.
> 
>  
> 
> Mark
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> SportsBiz  <http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com/> - The Business of Sports
> Illuminated
> 
> When it comes to sports, you know it's all about
> 
> the money.
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:17 PM
> To: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
> 
>  
> 
> I think that the Giants and the Dodgers are going to be in the final hunt
> for
> 
> A-Rod.  The Giants have some money to spend by letting Barry go.  They also
> 
> need some star power to keep putting people in the seats.  A-Rod may not
> like
> 
> it though because it isn't a very hitter-friendly park.  Clearly thought
> they
> 
> love dysfunctional home run hitters there, so perhaps it will be a good fit.
> 
>  
> 
> The Dodgers just need to win.  A-Rod isn't the player they should sign if
> 
> they want to do that, but ownership sometimes lets ego get in the way of
> good
> 
> judgment.
> 
>  
> 
> Jeff
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> 
> Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> 
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:59 PM
> 
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> 
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
> 
>  
> 
> >I think even Tommy [Bleed Dodger Blue] Lasorda accepted the job 
> 
> >expecting to be  fired one day.
> 
>  
> 
> But in the Yankees' case, you can be fire IN one day.  R.I.P. Joe Girardi. 
> 
> At least the coffin will be lined in gold.  (A-Rod with the Mets?  Nah!  Not
> 
> at short or third.  While I would love to see the Phillies have someone of
> 
> that caliber playing third, not at $300M.  That's insanity.)
> 
>  
> 
> Any news on the Cats' TV schedule this Saturday? 
> 
>  
> 
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Oct 30 16:17:28 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Oct 30 16:09:52 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
Message-ID: <bbf.1adfcaed.3458f968@aol.com>

I think A-Rod would rather own a ballclub than a World Series ring.   As 
excited as I was to have witnessed--in good box seats that I have for five  Yankee 
games every season--A-Rod's 500th career HR, I was equally appalled by  the 
self-aggrandizing way in which he and Scott Boras horned in on the World  
Series and on the imminent naming of Girardi as the Skipper by preemptively  
announcing he was opting out.  It appears that as great a player as he is,  he will 
never truly understand what it takes to be a winning athlete.   Scott Brosius, 
who wasn't 1/10th the athlete A-Rod is, was a tremendous clutch  player and a 
wonderful teammate and clubhouse presence.   As much as I  hate to see the 
Yankees lose A-Rod's incredible production, there isn't a lot  else I--or I have 
a feeling most Yankees and most Yankee fans--will miss about  Mr. "Me".  He 
can't hold Derek Jeter's jock as a true Hall of Famer in my  book.
 
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From s.fridley at comcast.net  Tue Oct 30 16:57:01 2007
From: s.fridley at comcast.net (s.fridley@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Oct 30 16:49:01 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
Message-ID: <103020072157.25943.4727A8AD00097146000065572207020653970A040B079D00D29C@comcast.net>

We heard something about this intriguing notion in Chicago a while ago.  While I personally don't know this to be true, I heard that MLB ownership rules prevent an active player from participation in ownership.

 
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: johnadeg@comcast.net
> The local Harrisburg PA has A-Rod wanting a piece of the Cubs ownership in some 
> form or the other.
> 
> John DeGroat
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Mark Ament" <prplehaze@insightbb.com>
> > The A-Rod Derby probably comes down to the Dodgers, Angels, Giants White Sox
> > and Cubs the latter two depending on who ends up with the Cubs and how
> > quickly that becomes known.  The White Sox probably don't get in the game
> > unless the Cubs do and the Cubs don't get in the game unless the new owner
> > gives it his blessing.  I wouldn't be surprised to see it come down to the
> > Dodgers and Angels and the Angels the likely winner.  A-Rod may prefer to
> > stay in the AL and Moreno may be hunting for a marquee player to continue
> > the Angels box office success, plus a Latino superstar would certainly be a
> > plus in Anaheim.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I too am conflicted with Girardi in the Bronx as I can't stand to see Yankee
> > success.  I was hoping for Mattingly with Girardi getting another, better
> > job.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > SportsBiz  <http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com/> - The Business of Sports
> > Illuminated
> > 
> > When it comes to sports, you know it's all about
> > 
> > the money.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> > Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:17 PM
> > To: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> > Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > I think that the Giants and the Dodgers are going to be in the final hunt
> > for
> > 
> > A-Rod.  The Giants have some money to spend by letting Barry go.  They also
> > 
> > need some star power to keep putting people in the seats.  A-Rod may not
> > like
> > 
> > it though because it isn't a very hitter-friendly park.  Clearly thought
> > they
> > 
> > love dysfunctional home run hitters there, so perhaps it will be a good fit.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > The Dodgers just need to win.  A-Rod isn't the player they should sign if
> > 
> > they want to do that, but ownership sometimes lets ego get in the way of
> > good
> > 
> > judgment.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Jeff
> > 
> >  
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> > 
> > Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> > 
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:59 PM
> > 
> > To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > >I think even Tommy [Bleed Dodger Blue] Lasorda accepted the job 
> > 
> > >expecting to be  fired one day.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > But in the Yankees' case, you can be fire IN one day.  R.I.P. Joe Girardi. 
> > 
> > At least the coffin will be lined in gold.  (A-Rod with the Mets?  Nah!  Not
> > 
> > at short or third.  While I would love to see the Phillies have someone of
> > 
> > that caliber playing third, not at $300M.  That's insanity.)
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Any news on the Cats' TV schedule this Saturday? 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > nwu-sports site list
> > 
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > 
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> >  
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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Wed Oct 31 06:32:44 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Wed Oct 31 06:25:57 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <103020072004.6791.47278E3D000E26E100001A872216551406090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <002701c81bb1$c1ac1220$6500a8c0@PC244461808863>

Much of that stems from a New Yorker profile of Scott Boras that floated
that very possibility.  Only problem is MLB rules prohibit a player owning a
piece of a club while playing, which would include a contractually obligated
guarantee of a deferred piece upon retirement in the way the Penguins gave
Lemiuex a percentage of the club while he was still playing.  I suppose a
deal could be structured in such a way the Selig would approve it, since he
can be convinced to approve pretty much anything owners want these days -
especially if those owners are his buddies which seems likely in the case of
the Cubs.

 

 

Mark 

SportsBiz  <http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com/> - The Business of Sports
Illuminated

When it comes to sports, you know it's all about

the money.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: johnadeg@comcast.net [mailto:johnadeg@comcast.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 4:04 PM
To: Mark Ament; 'Jeff Beamsley'; 'Dennis W. Brandt';
nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)

 

The local Harrisburg PA has A-Rod wanting a piece of the Cubs ownership in
some form or the other.

 

John DeGroat

 -------------- Original message ----------------------

From: "Mark Ament" <prplehaze@insightbb.com>

> The A-Rod Derby probably comes down to the Dodgers, Angels, Giants White
Sox

> and Cubs the latter two depending on who ends up with the Cubs and how

> quickly that becomes known.  The White Sox probably don't get in the game

> unless the Cubs do and the Cubs don't get in the game unless the new owner

> gives it his blessing.  I wouldn't be surprised to see it come down to the

> Dodgers and Angels and the Angels the likely winner.  A-Rod may prefer to

> stay in the AL and Moreno may be hunting for a marquee player to continue

> the Angels box office success, plus a Latino superstar would certainly be
a

> plus in Anaheim.

> 

>  

> 

>  

> 

> I too am conflicted with Girardi in the Bronx as I can't stand to see
Yankee

> success.  I was hoping for Mattingly with Girardi getting another, better

> job.

> 

>  

> 

> Mark

> 

>  

> 

>  

> 

> SportsBiz  <http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com/> - The Business of
Sports

> Illuminated

> 

> When it comes to sports, you know it's all about

> 

> the money.

> 

>  

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On

> Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley

> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:17 PM

> To: Dennis W. Brandt; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com

> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)

> 

>  

> 

> I think that the Giants and the Dodgers are going to be in the final hunt

> for

> 

> A-Rod.  The Giants have some money to spend by letting Barry go.  They
also

> 

> need some star power to keep putting people in the seats.  A-Rod may not

> like

> 

> it though because it isn't a very hitter-friendly park.  Clearly thought

> they

> 

> love dysfunctional home run hitters there, so perhaps it will be a good
fit.

> 

>  

> 

> The Dodgers just need to win.  A-Rod isn't the player they should sign if

> 

> they want to do that, but ownership sometimes lets ego get in the way of

> good

> 

> judgment.

> 

>  

> 

> Jeff

> 

>  

> 

>  

> 

> -----Original Message-----

> 

> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On

> 

> Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt

> 

> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:59 PM

> 

> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com

> 

> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Girardi (fwd)

> 

>  

> 

> >I think even Tommy [Bleed Dodger Blue] Lasorda accepted the job 

> 

> >expecting to be  fired one day.

> 

>  

> 

> But in the Yankees' case, you can be fire IN one day.  R.I.P. Joe Girardi.


> 

> At least the coffin will be lined in gold.  (A-Rod with the Mets?  Nah!
Not

> 

> at short or third.  While I would love to see the Phillies have someone of

> 

> that caliber playing third, not at $300M.  That's insanity.)

> 

>  

> 

> Any news on the Cats' TV schedule this Saturday? 

> 

>  

> 

> _______________________________________________

> 

> nwu-sports site list

> 

> nwu-sports@tssi.com

> 

> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports

> 

>  

> 

> _______________________________________________

> 

> nwu-sports site list

> 

> nwu-sports@tssi.com

> 

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> 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 08:32:32 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Oct 31 08:23:50 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Interesting article ...
Message-ID: <110453.58129.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://www.postcrescent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071031/APC0101/710310529

Talks about Wisconsin legislators getting a bill
together to bring sports networks like the BTN and
NFLN to the table for negotiations.

Probably just politician grandstanding ... but this
weekend should be a big test case for the midwest as
it's not just a creampuff nonconference game or
NU/Indiana contest - Wisconsin vs. Ohio State has a
lot more interest and fans may finally get fed up with
the bickering between the networks and cable.

The article also mentions basketball season ahead
where even more fans will feel the impact. Should be
interesting to see if this goes anywhere. Also
interesting to see what went into the network
selection process here, as I'm sure ABC or ESPN would
have much rather had OSU-Wisky than any other game
this week - wonder why they didn't get it.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Still, Big Ten fans have to be thankful for their
TV deal. We looked at the SEC a few weeks back and how
some major clashes were only on Jefferson Pilot or
ESPN Game Plan PPV ... out here in Arizona, the Pac 10
situation is maddening as well. Until ESPN stepped in
early this week, ASU-Oregon was a FoxNet regional
game. #4 vs. #5?!?! UGH!

* * * * * * * * *
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Oct 31 09:43:08 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct 31 09:38:18 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Girardi
Message-ID: <c7c.1747aa29.3459ee7c@aol.com>

Headline of MAN IN THE NEWS feature in today's NY TIMES Sports  Section (Page 
D3) says it all:
 
"Joe Girardi:  Thinking, Always Thinking...Yanks' New Manager Went to  
Northwestern, but He's No Egghead"
 
The man is now a walking billboard for 'Cat U.
 
Paul Levinson



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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Oct 31 10:58:36 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Oct 31 10:48:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Interesting article ...
In-Reply-To: <110453.58129.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <110453.58129.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c81bd6$e56c4b10$b044e130$@com>

Jeff Pilot has pretty good penetration into the local markets that make up the
SEC. They get their games on a local TV station in just about every SEC market
and have a pretty good product. They also produce many of the coach's shows. 

I think the issue is that the BTN thinks that their network should be on the
lower tiers in the Big 10 States and the cable guys would prefer to have ALL of
the future conference networks on a PPV style distribution.  Its comparable to
ESPN360 wanting to charge a per subscriber charge for everyone signed up on the
ISP instead of allowing individual to opt in to the coverage.

One of the big selling points about the 1000 channel cable was that subscribers
could tailor their own network and show access, I think it used to be called a
la carte? But the concept got lost when individual networks decided that if they
couldn't get wide coverage, they'd overrule the law of supply and demand and get
someone to pay them regardless of who watched.

Anyone who worked in broadcasting during the days of the [Un]fairness doctrine
remembers that radio and TV were pretty bland when it came to local issues. In
today's market, the idea is to either appeal to the mass audience [hard to do]
or become a niche broadcaster, selling your product to a specialty audience. 

Memo to the Big 10 Network - The BTN is a Niche product, even in the Big 10
states. The fans of the schools will pay good money, regardless of where they
live, to watch their team in action. Pretending that the AC/SEC/Big 12/Pac
10/WAC fans in Comcast or Time Warner markets will watch the BTN seems a little
foolish, and I know Comcast has the sales numbers from ESPN+ to back that up.

Its why our local cable channels have re-runs of Navy and Maryland games on
around here - people watch those games. Unless State Penn is playing on the BTN,
the number of other Big 10 school alums interested isn't enough to crack the
statistical minimums.

rsl 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All ===========
"You have a Republic Madam --
     If you can keep it" - Benjamin Franklin
============================================
> TV deal. We looked at the SEC a few weeks back and how
> some major clashes were only on Jefferson Pilot or
> ESPN Game Plan PPV ... out here in Arizona, the Pac 10
> situation is maddening as well. 

From e-west at northwestern.edu  Wed Oct 31 11:56:30 2007
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Wed Oct 31 11:48:20 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Interesting article ...
In-Reply-To: <000001c81bd6$e56c4b10$b044e130$@com>
References: <110453.58129.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<000001c81bd6$e56c4b10$b044e130$@com>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20071031113445.031c7e48@merle.it.northwestern.edu>

At 10:58 AM 10/31/2007, Roy Lamberton wrote:
>Memo to the Big 10 Network - The BTN is a Niche product, even in the Big 10
>states. The fans of the schools will pay good money, regardless of where they
>live, to watch their team in action.

See, this is the part of the argument that makes no sense to me. Lifetime 
is a niche product, too -- as is BET, Oxygen, Speedvision, EWTN, and dozens 
of other channels that I and many other people never watch -- yet cable has 
no problem charging us so that others can watch them. So what's suddenly 
wrong with those people returning the favor by paying a little extra so we 
can watch the BTN? And no, I won't pay $50 extra a month (or more) to 
switch to digital and then add some weak sports tier from Comcast (that 
doesn't even have ESPNU or CSTV, among others). I can just listen to the 
radio, or go to Chili's in Evanston and watch the game there.

>Pretending that the AC/SEC/Big 12/Pac
>10/WAC fans in Comcast or Time Warner markets will watch the BTN seems a 
>little
>foolish, and I know Comcast has the sales numbers from ESPN+ to back that up.

Why? As a college football fan, I enjoy watching all sorts of teams play, 
and I know I'm not alone. Ironically, because of Comcast Sports Network's 
triple-header last Saturday, I was able to watch more Pac-10 games in 
Evanston than Big Ten games. Somehow Comcast didn't have a problem making 
everyone in the Chicago area pay for three Pac-10 games on their channel, 
but it's a miscarriage of justice to charge them to watch Big Ten teams? 
The way I see it, the only difference -- and indeed, the only thing Comcast 
cares about -- is that the extra BTN money won't go to Comcast.

I want to be on Comcast's side, but their arguments don't make sense and 
their incessant propaganda (including a two-month-old "Update" that keeps 
talking about how no one would want to see Michigan vs. Appalachian State) 
is maddening.

---
Eric West
e-west@northwestern.edu 


From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Oct 31 12:23:13 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Oct 31 12:15:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Interesting article ...
In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20071031113445.031c7e48@merle.it.northwestern.edu>
References: <110453.58129.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<000001c81bd6$e56c4b10$b044e130$@com>
	<6.2.1.2.2.20071031113445.031c7e48@merle.it.northwestern.edu>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270710311023i1360035el8d02866c580b8f28@mail.gmail.com>

Eric,

I would say that I completely agree with your argument.

The BTN IS a niche network, BUT the Big Ten isn't asking for anything out of
the ordinary.  In fact, there are a TON of niche networks on extended basic
cable (analog), including Versus - Comcast's own national specialty sports
network, along with the likes of Speedvision and others.  The fact is that
Comcast is being extremely HYPOCRITICAL by refusing to carry the BTN yet
trumping its own networks such as Versus and even the mtn (the Mountain West
conference's network, which is carried by almost nobody).  Also throw in the
fact that Comcast feels jealous after Fox was awarded the partner deal with
the Big Ten to run the network that apparently they were bidding for as
well.

On the other side, while I wish that the deals would get done and the BTN
would get on extended basic for everyone in the region, right now I just
want a way to watch the games at home (I'm on Comcast, of course) - and I
know that I'm willing to pay a little extra for a sports tier to get the
games.  (I know satellite is an option, but it is a huge hassle for
renters).

In any case, the fact is that the two sides need to come together to get the
deal done.  Comcast is being hypocritical, and the BTN is being especially
demanding for such a young network, but there has to be a middle ground.
Obviously Comcast took to the air first with its combative ads (on the TV,
radio, and in print), while the BTN had to follow suit.  I don't think we'll
see the end of this until after the basketball season is over and the
ratings/subscriber fallout is complete.  Next summer is the best chance of a
deal getting done, but then again who really knows.  Also, I suspect once
one big cable operator signs on (Comcast, Time Warner, etc.) the other(s)
will follow.

Jonathan

On 10/31/07, Eric West <e-west@northwestern.edu> wrote:
>
> At 10:58 AM 10/31/2007, Roy Lamberton wrote:
> >Memo to the Big 10 Network - The BTN is a Niche product, even in the Big
> 10
> >states. The fans of the schools will pay good money, regardless of where
> they
> >live, to watch their team in action.
>
> See, this is the part of the argument that makes no sense to me. Lifetime
> is a niche product, too -- as is BET, Oxygen, Speedvision, EWTN, and
> dozens
> of other channels that I and many other people never watch -- yet cable
> has
> no problem charging us so that others can watch them. So what's suddenly
> wrong with those people returning the favor by paying a little extra so we
> can watch the BTN? And no, I won't pay $50 extra a month (or more) to
> switch to digital and then add some weak sports tier from Comcast (that
> doesn't even have ESPNU or CSTV, among others). I can just listen to the
> radio, or go to Chili's in Evanston and watch the game there.
>
> >Pretending that the AC/SEC/Big 12/Pac
> >10/WAC fans in Comcast or Time Warner markets will watch the BTN seems a
> >little
> >foolish, and I know Comcast has the sales numbers from ESPN+ to back that
> up.
>
> Why? As a college football fan, I enjoy watching all sorts of teams play,
> and I know I'm not alone. Ironically, because of Comcast Sports Network's
> triple-header last Saturday, I was able to watch more Pac-10 games in
> Evanston than Big Ten games. Somehow Comcast didn't have a problem making
> everyone in the Chicago area pay for three Pac-10 games on their channel,
> but it's a miscarriage of justice to charge them to watch Big Ten teams?
> The way I see it, the only difference -- and indeed, the only thing
> Comcast
> cares about -- is that the extra BTN money won't go to Comcast.
>
> I want to be on Comcast's side, but their arguments don't make sense and
> their incessant propaganda (including a two-month-old "Update" that keeps
> talking about how no one would want to see Michigan vs. Appalachian State)
> is maddening.
>
> ---
> Eric West
> e-west@northwestern.edu
>
>
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 12:50:19 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Oct 31 12:41:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Interesting article ...
In-Reply-To: <000001c81bd6$e56c4b10$b044e130$@com>
Message-ID: <702653.51750.qm@web52910.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Jeff Pilot has pretty good penetration into the
> local markets that make up the

True, as does FoxNet in their market - I was just
saying that despite the BTN's problems with Comcast,
our games still have terrific national distribution
compared to other power leagues (thus negating the
"distribution is hurting us in the polls" argument).

Even taking away the BTN on DirecTV, I still can see 3
or even 4 Big Ten games nationally out here in AZ each
week, whereas I can only get 1-2 SEC/Pac 10 games out
of region. Once everyone wises up:) and switches to
satellite, they'll have access to all Big Ten games
making it even more pigskin bliss-tastic!

I dunno what our problem is in the polls, but it's not
TV. I think we still have the BCS stigma from last
year and AppState this year - nevermind that the SEC
is proving to be just as mediocre with lack of defense
and losing to Big East teams. It won't go away until
we win some big bowls, I guess.

One thing I will say from watching football on TV the
last few weekends - Big Ten fans are simply the best.
Yes, night games at Baton Rouge, Blacksburg and other
places can get loud and are a lot of fun, but the
atmosphere showcased in State College and Champaign
the last two weekends in prime time was absolutely
electric. Throw in Camp Randall, Kinnick and the Shoe
along with the history (if not loudness) of the Big
House and those are some pretty great places to watch
a football game. The only thing that I think could top
PSU's blizzard-like white out would be an actual
blizzard during a prime time white out game!:)

> I think the issue is that the BTN thinks that their
> network should be on the
> lower tiers in the Big 10 States and the cable guys
> would prefer to have ALL of
> the future conference networks on a PPV style

Not really - Comcast's own cable networks are getting
regular distribution and they're running their
campaign to the "The Mountain" included out here in
Arizona.

Their argument would be a lot better if it weren't so
hypocritical. Arizona has no Mountain West schools -
put it on a tier here. But Wisconsin, Illinois,
Michigan, etc. HAVE Big Ten schools and a heck of a
lot more fans than Mountain West teams - they should
be on basic cable in their home states.

> Memo to the Big 10 Network - The BTN is a Niche
> product, even in the Big 10
> states. The fans of the schools will pay good money,

Maybe they will, but should they HAVE to? It's really
not a niche product in Big Ten states. We have a
different perspective at Northwestern because we're a
private school, but those other schools are an
integral part of their state.

Long before I even knew I wanted to go to college yet
alone NU, I was a Big Ten football fan and even though
the Badgers stunk, most of the kids at school followed
UW football and basketball. I spent a lot of time with
relatives in Michigan, so I naturally followed the
Wolverines instead. But still, no one in my family or
my friends' families were alumni of those schools at
the time, yet Big Ten football and basketball was a
big part of fall and winter in the midwest.

And as for the niche thing, as I said, the argument
might hold water if it weren't so hypocritical. Most
networks are niche networks and Comcast owns a ton of
them that are on the basic packages. The Big Ten
Network is much less "niche" in Big Ten states than
90% of what's in the basic package.

> live, to watch their team in action. Pretending that
> the AC/SEC/Big 12/Pac
> 10/WAC fans in Comcast or Time Warner markets will
> watch the BTN seems a little

Outside the Big Ten, maybe, but even so, the Big Ten
is far more national than any conference ... maybe the
SEC comes close. Merchandise sales back that up. Plus,
the BTN isn't asking to be on basic everywhere, just
in their home states.

If the BTN were asking for basic everywhere, I could
see the point, but sooner or later Comcast has to
realize their own hypocrisy and give their consumers
what they demand. Maybe hoops will be the tipping
point because our distribution for football is so good
outside the BTN, but most basketball games will be on
the BTN. Or maybe the BTN will play hardball by
putting more games like OSU-UW on their network
instead of ESPN's.

All I know is that I wouldn't want to be a
receptionist at Comcast in Wisconsin or Ohio on
Saturday or in the state of Indiana during the winter
months.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From CHerron604 at aol.com  Wed Oct 31 14:27:01 2007
From: CHerron604 at aol.com (CHerron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Oct 31 14:19:29 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Interesting article ...
Message-ID: <c63.1c16896a.345a3105@aol.com>

As an attending fan of most of our games, I have to put in a good word for  
XM satellite radio's CFB package - very easy to drive back from any of our  
games, and hear the best games from the major conferences.  Often, it  requires a 
good excuse to stay out driving past midnight to hear some  late-ending 
PAC-10 contests.  Also, very exciting to hear the local radio  crew doing the game. 
 It was fun to leave the Purdue game, and hear the  great Joe McConnell 
discuss the Boiler win.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Oct 31 23:39:48 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Oct 31 23:31:07 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Standings
Message-ID: <57987.61819.qm@web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Feast or famine this week as some folks, like myself,
suffered a mess of mediocrity in this parity-filled
world of college football. Meanwhile, others enjoyed a
week of 2 or 3 upset specials. How will it shake up
the standings? We'll see, but first, the honor roll
...

UPSET SPECIALS
==============
* IOWA over Michigan State
* BOSTON COLLEGE over Virginia Tech
* GEORGIA over Florida

UNANIMOUS PICKS
===============
* MICHIGAN over Minnesota

And now to the big board ...

                  ----- RECORD ----  - UPSET -  TOTAL
RK  NAME          WK 9  OVERL  PCT.  WK 9 OVRL  WEEKS
======================================================
 1) M. Zilka       7-3  73-27  .730    1    3    8
 2) S. Truog       6-4  80-30  .727    0    1    9
 3) C. Herron      7-3  78-32  .709    0    1    9
 3) A. Wolfson     7-3  78-32  .709    1    5    9
 3) E. Steffe      6-4  78-32  .709    1    2    9
 6) T. McAdams     7-3  77-33  .700    1    2    9
 6) K. Sevilla     6-4  77-33  .700    1    7    9
 6) P. Wolfe       6-4  63-27  .700    1    6    7
 9) J. Wall        7-3  66-29  .695    0    2    8
10) B. Wilson      7-3  76-34  .691    0    5    9
10) B. Winkler     6-4  76-34  .691    0    3    9
12) J. Bendat      7-3  75-35  .682    1    4    9
12) B. Taylor      5-5  58-27  .682    0    2    7
14) P. Groves      7-3  73-37  .664    1    6    9
15) S. Wolfson     9-1  71-39  .645    3   10    9
16) I. Embrekts    5-5  61-34  .642    0    0    8
17) B. Waldele     7-3  60-35  .632    2    4    8
18) M. Ament       4-6  53-32  .624    0    3    7
19) J. Labbe       5-5  59-36  .621    1    2    8
20) C. Bailey      6-4  68-42  .618    1    2    9
20) J. Hodges      6-4  68-42  .618    0    2    9
22) R. Stahl       6-4  67-43  .609    1    5    9
23) A. McInturff   6-4  60-50  .545    1    7    9

-- NOT ELIGIBLE AT THIS TIME --
xx) C. Miller      ---  14- 1  .933    0    1    1
xx) J. Hawkins     ---  12- 3  .800    0    1    1
xx) M. Barnard     7-3  51-24  .680    1    2    6
xx) K. Maresco     ---  46-24  .657    0    0    5
xx) J. Leonard     ---  35-20  .636    0    3    5
xx) C. Rossi       9-1  41-29  .586    3    5    6
xx) M. Whelan      ---  23-17  .575    0    1    4
xx) Syd. Wolfson   3-7  27-23  .540    0    5    4

Remember to get the week 10 picks in by kickoff.

GO CATS!!! BEAT THE HAWKEYES!!!
-SjT

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