From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jun  1 06:32:37 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jun  1 06:28:34 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats win 2-0
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In baseball and softball its all about your pitcher[s] peaking at the right
time.

It looks like Ms. Canney is doing just that.

rsl

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> Great defensive game over ASU, no mistakes, 1 hit  pitching.
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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Sat Jun  2 18:54:37 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jun  2 18:55:19 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Lacross 3-peat!!
Message-ID: <d39.a8eafb2.33935d3d@aol.com>

A late post on last week's thrilling (too thrilling) win over UVa.  at 
Franklin Field.  Proud lacrosse Dad that I am, I attended the game at  Franklin 
Field last week with my daughter (Roy, how can we forget the fly-over  in 
Annapolis in 2002?), and we had a terrific time.  Thoughts:
  1)  The crowd of 6,075 was the 3rd straight year an attendance  record was 
set; breaking the 5800 that attended the championship game at Boston  
University last year.  In 2008 and 2009, the Final 4 will be held at Towson  
University (a quick 45 minute drive from Wildelk's home in York, Pa.!)
  2) Poster Mark reported that 2/3 of the crowd was pro-NU; not sure  about 
that as I sat in both the upper deck and lower bowl; lot's of UVa fans  there 
as well, but for sure 1/3 to 1/2 rooted for our beloved Cats.
  3)  As this is a pro-football website, I'll report it in  football terms.  
We were up by 11-5, but Coach Amonte Hiller was concerned  about UVa.'s fire 
power.  She opted to slow the game down, and as we've  said on this here list, 
playing not to lose is asking for disaster.   However, I read an article which 
quoted UVa.'s coach as saying NU's stall  tactics won NU the game, as she 
felt Big Mo had swung the direction of UVa, and  if the game had continued as it 
was, UVa. would have won. So what do I know  (Very little, as it was the first 
lacrosse game I had ever paid admission!:) 
  4) What athletic talent our team has. They run like the wind. In the  2nd 
half we went down to field level as NU was going in for a clinching 15th  goal 
(which they got) and you really got an idea of how fast our team is.
  5) 12 of our 15 goals were scored by players that will be back next  
season. OUCH!
  6) A little love for Franklin Field.  I've been in FF at least  10 times 
for Temple and Penn games, so the "respect" factor is in place.   Stand it up 
against today's stadiums, and it is VERY archaic.  I love that  the only access 
to the 2nd deck is steps at the back of the lower bowl; there  are no 
restroom/concessions on the 2nd deck.
   However, a little FF FYI is in order. My beloved Eagles won  their last 
championship at FF in 1960; beating Green Bay as Chuck Bednarik went  "both 
ways" .  The Birds moved out of FF in 1972 when Veteran's Stadium  opened.
  Nowadays, the 2nd deck (the stadium still holds in excess of 50K)  rarely 
is used, but in the 70's, 80's, and 90's, Temple would need the 2nd deck  when 
a Penn St. or Miami (Fla.) would come calling.  U of P holds the Penn  relays 
every Spring, which the upper Bowl is used.  Additionally, a hot  local 
rivalry between Villanova and Penn has been gaining steam, gaining in  excess of 
15,000 for 1-AA action.
   So give FF some love, as it holds much history in it's ancient  brick 
fascade.  Those who refer to Ryan Field as "Dyche" know what I  mean.
 
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Jun  3 14:35:41 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jun  3 14:36:53 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
Message-ID: <be9.175e7024.3394720d@aol.com>

Interesting article in today's SF Chronicle about Stanford's declining 
athletic successes, being traced to tougher admission standards

http://sfgate.com/sports/


Go Lady Cats in softball--looked great yesterday but have to sweep today to 
stay alive


Harry


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jun  5 09:41:13 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jun  5 09:36:42 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 6/5
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http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=649148

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jun  5 09:42:02 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jun  5 09:37:29 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 6/4
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http://northwestern.scout.com/2/648818.html


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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Jun  6 12:08:33 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun  6 14:06:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Wibon
Message-ID: <c9c.118436dd.33984411@aol.com>

On PTI  Kornheiser asked Wilbon about the woman's world series and  Wilbon 
picked Tennessee because "Arizona beat my Northwestern team" I wish more  of our 
alums in sports casting showed their loyalty.



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From e-west at northwestern.edu  Wed Jun  6 14:27:14 2007
From: e-west at northwestern.edu (Eric West)
Date: Wed Jun  6 14:29:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Wibon
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At 12:08 PM 6/6/2007, MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:
>On PTI  Kornheiser asked Wilbon about the woman's world series and  Wilbon
>picked Tennessee because "Arizona beat my Northwestern team" I wish 
>more  of our
>alums in sports casting showed their loyalty.

I hope that you misheard or are mis-remembering, because it was Tennessee 
who beat Northwestern this year. Even if Wilbon were referring to Arizona 
beating NU in last year's WCWS, it doesn't quite make sense for him to use 
it as a reason to root for Tennessee, who have now done the same thing. I 
hope Kornheiser and PTI haven't fully succeeded in "dumbing down" a smart 
guy like Wilbon.

---
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Wed Jun  6 15:40:13 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Wed Jun  6 15:40:32 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Wibon
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Maybe he meant because "Arizona beat my Northwestern team [last year for the
title]," which would be understandable, or maybe he misspoke when he said
"Arizona" and really meant to say "Tennessee," which also would be
understandable to me.  There are some people out there, though, who don't
want to see the team that beat them advance, which is just stupid in my
mind, because an earlier exit for the team that beat you makes your loss
look even worse, while a great finish by the team that beat you makes your
loss look not so bad (you might even be able to argue that you were the
second best team in the running even if you lost in the quarter- or
semi-finals).  I think most people on this list understand that but spite
clouds reason for some.

On a related note, that's essentially the same reason why I hate the
"o-ver-rat-ed!" chant when you're on the verge of knocking off a ranked
opponent.  It's completely moronic, since it denigrates the play and
impending accomplishment of your team.  Some people, though . . . .

-Joe



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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Wibon

At 12:08 PM 6/6/2007, MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:
>On PTI  Kornheiser asked Wilbon about the woman's world series and  Wilbon
>picked Tennessee because "Arizona beat my Northwestern team" I wish 
>more  of our
>alums in sports casting showed their loyalty.

I hope that you misheard or are mis-remembering, because it was Tennessee 
who beat Northwestern this year. Even if Wilbon were referring to Arizona 
beating NU in last year's WCWS, it doesn't quite make sense for him to use 
it as a reason to root for Tennessee, who have now done the same thing. I 
hope Kornheiser and PTI haven't fully succeeded in "dumbing down" a smart 
guy like Wilbon.

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Wed Jun  6 16:32:45 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun  6 16:32:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Wibon
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Yeah I was misremebering, good word, it was Arizona he was  picking.



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  6 17:38:50 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jun  6 17:39:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Wibon
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Either way - love Wilbon. He mentions NU any chance he
gets and I've seen him in the crowd at multiple NU
events (including last year's game at ASU). Good to
have him among our alums!

Also, belated kudos to the women's softball team.
Returning to the WCWS is no small feat and they made
the final four a year after making the finals. Along
with our three-peat lacrosse champs, NU's women of
spring have been amazing in recent years and done our
school proud! Loved their introductions during the
games too with all the purple talk!

As for the WCWS, I gotta say that they do need to look
at possible rules changes because some of those
pitchers are just dominating the game with the short
mound now. And since the teams don't often change
pitchers between games that leads to one team with a
hot pitcher (or two as in this year) just dominating
the series. Good for them, but time for a change in
the rules to keep hitting and fielding part of the
game as well as the pitching.

I can smell the football preview issues on the
presses!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jun  6 17:56:27 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun  6 17:56:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Wibon
Message-ID: <d40.ae2aa19.3398959b@aol.com>

Good point on the pitchers--It really seems unfair that 1 top pitcher may be 
all you need to win it all--Just getting the ball in fair territory seems 
quite a hurdle for most of the batters against a top pitcher--Ah the days of Lisa 
Ishikawa-- (0ne Trib writer at the time even sugegsted she should try out for 
the Cubs--that MLB players might have a hard time hitting a 60 mph submariner 
--well probably not from 60 /12 feet !)


Anyhow--not only kudos to our lady Cats, but I am always impressed at how 
fundamentally sound the girls are in softball--very rarely make mental errors-(I 
wouldn't put  the tag play removing the force out at home in our final game, 
as  a mental error--came close to getting a DP)

Harry


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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  7 04:09:36 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu Jun  7 04:10:12 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] softball 
Message-ID: <719460.29987.qm@web51307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

In scholastic softball the pitchers are so dominant
the rest of the team can often go home, other than the
catcher, and they'd still win. It is time to move the
"circle" (not a mound) back. 

Nothing against the softball women, but why talented
athletes would want to play that sport as opposed to,
say, lacrosse is really beyond me. I certainly would
much, much, much rather watch lacrosse (and not just
because NU  wins all the time).

bw

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jun  7 10:56:34 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jun  7 10:51:55 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 6/7
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jun 11 09:03:45 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jun 11 08:59:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 6/11
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http://northwestern.scout.com/2/650710.html

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jun 13 10:46:10 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jun 13 10:42:01 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 6/13
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http://northwestern.scout.com/2/651349.html

Plus one from Willie
KON's new deal
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/ua/articles/0612uahoop-ON.html 

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From alan.abrahamson at nbcuni.com  Wed Jun 13 11:53:43 2007
From: alan.abrahamson at nbcuni.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Wed Jun 13 11:54:23 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] my latest column
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FF01AE8200@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

 Hi, all --
 I realize this is not directly Northwestern related but nonetheless,
with Mr. Nolan's permission, I thought I might pass it along here
because I think it speaks to the values all of us would like to believe
are an essential part of the Northwestern experience. (I mean, those
values are a part of the experience at a great many places -- not trying
to say in any way that they're exclusive to Northwestern -- hardly --
but they are, I believe, a big part of what Northwestern is, and is
always trying to be, about.)
 All comments welcome.
 If anyone would like to see the column on the website, it's paired with
video of the Wellman tirade. Go to nbcsports.com.
 Go Wildcats - Alan
 
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Responsibility and respect aren't too much to ask from athletes

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Posted: Jun.13, 2007, 9:49 am EDT 
 
The sixth-grade orchestra at my kids' school played a spirited version
of "Stairway to Heaven" at Tuesday's end-of-the-year promotion ceremony,
and then the sixth-grade chorus sang a lovely, truly lovely, rendition
of the great Hawaiian singer Israel Kamakawiwo'ole 's version of
"Somewhere over the Rainbow," and everyone got all choked up, and I
thought to myself, these are the moments we live for, right? 

Maybe, just maybe, these kids are indeed absorbing the values that are
at the center of this -- and I'd like to think every -- school's
mission, the core values imprinted on blue-and-white banners fluttering
in the breeze above the sixth-grade singers: 

Respect. 

Responsibility. 

Honesty. 

Fairness. 

Compassion. 

As the ukelele played and the chorus sang, "Somewhere over the Rainbow,"
I thought, that's it -- the thing I've been thinking about now for
several weeks. 

I've been trying to figure out how to articulate something that perhaps
seems so obvious. 

It's this: 

We tell the kids one thing. And yet those who would be their role models
far too often don't do as we say. 

It's not just the arrests or worse that mark the sports pages and the
highlight shows. 

It's the departure from those core values. 

Kobe Bryant's No. 24 Los Angeles Lakers
<BLOCKED::BLOCKED::http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams
/lakers/?eref=nbc_sports>  jersey, Associated Press reported Monday, was
the most popular in the NBA season, according to sales at the NBA Store
in New York and on-line through the league's website 

This is the same guy who threw a tantrum a few days ago because he's
frustrated the team isn't winning the way he'd like. 

All of us get frustrated at one thing or another. So why did Kobe mouth
off? Simply because he could, because he's the star player? 

That's not a good-enough reason. 

It wouldn't be in high school -- imagine if the best player on your
local team complained because the other players weren't as good as he
was -- and it shouldn't cut it in the NBA, either. 

For me, meanwhile, nothing crystallized the departure from those core
values as much as the recent on-field tantrum thrown by Phillip Wellman,
the manager of the minor-league Mississippi Braves -- the one that
became something of a YouTube sensation. 

Wellman was later suspended for three games. 

I would have fired him. There's no place for that kind of behavior.
Anywhere. Anytime. 

It's not OK from a 3-year-old. 

And it's so not OK from a grown man. 

Our kids need to see a respect for the rules. 

Not just the kids, though. All of us need to see that respect. 

Such respect goes along with what I believe is an emerging desire to see
a return in our public discourse to civility, decency and dignity. 

Peter Ueberroth, the chairman of the U.S. Olympic Committee, gets it. He
has said a number of times now that the U.S. team that goes to Beijing
for the 2008 Summer Games will be a team the American people will be
proud of -- no matter how many medals the U.S. athletes win. 

Roger Goodell, the NFL commissioner, gets it as well. In suspending the
likes of the Tennessee Titans'
<BLOCKED::BLOCKED::http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/t
itans/?eref=nbc_sports>  Pacman Jones, the Cincinnati Bengals'
<BLOCKED::BLOCKED::http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/b
engals/?eref=nbc_sports>  Chris Henry and the Chicago Bears'
<BLOCKED::BLOCKED::http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/teams/b
ears/?eref=nbc_sports>  Tank Johnson, he has made it plain that the
league ought not and will not tolerate certain misconduct. 

I applaud both Ueberroth and Goodell -- and, too, NBA commissioner David
Stern for the suspensions he levied against Phoenix Suns
<BLOCKED::BLOCKED::http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams
/suns/?eref=nbc_sports>  players Amare Stoudemire and Boris Diaw in last
month's conference semifinals against the San Antonio Spurs
<BLOCKED::BLOCKED::http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams
/spurs/?eref=nbc_sports> . League rules mandate a one-game suspension if
a player leaves the bench during an altercation. Both players left the
bench. 

The rules are the rules. They apply to everybody. No exceptions. 

We ask our kids to do the right thing. If the 12-year-olds can do it,
certainly the privileged few who get paid sometimes-astonishing amounts
of money to play games for a living can do it, too. 

It's just not so hard to understand. It's hardly too much to expect
From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 16 21:47:28 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sat Jun 16 21:48:02 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Our guy does good
Message-ID: <323617.21553.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

QB Dan Persa, a future Wildcat from Bethlehem (Pa.)
Liberty, ran for two TDs and threw for another in
Pennsylvania's 28-10 win over Ohio in the Big 33
All-Star football game Saturday.

This is the same game I saw Mark Philmore look so good
in, and that turned out to be a good omen! Let's hope
another Big 33 hero does well in Evanston.

bw





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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Sun Jun 17 08:54:13 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jun 17 08:56:00 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Our guy does good
Message-ID: <cf0.122db8f6.33a69705@aol.com>

Brad wasn't lying when he said Dan Persa looked  good.  I watched over half 
of the Big 33 game, and Persa was way too fast  for Ohio's defenders.  He threw 
10-12 times; only one throw was  uncatchable.  He rolls out quickly and is 
very decisive; credit  Pennsylvania's coaches installing an "NU friendly" spread 
offense that worked  well for Dan.
   A surprise:  The announcer (Scott Graham; an ex-Phillies  announcer) said 
that Persa chose NU over West Virgina as he expected to compete  for Bacher's 
spot this season. Maybe this was blather used to fill air time; I  think Persa 
has as much of a chance for the starting position this season as I  do. If 
Kafka has improved, I was thinking 'redshirt" for Mr. Persa.
   Nice shot of NU football in June. Less than 2 months until  Kenosha.  
After last year's sadness, I'm stoked for this season.
 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jun 17 17:57:14 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Jun 17 17:52:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Our guy does good
In-Reply-To: <cf0.122db8f6.33a69705@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001d01c7b132$d8c41a00$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>

I think Mr. P is indulging in the kind of thinking that Fitz [and RW] loves to
hear; "I'm coming to camp and expect to take over."

After what I've read about the Big 33 game, I'm not sure he won't make good on
his expectations, altho Mr's Kafka, Mauro and Bacher may have a thing or two to
say about it.

Anyway, Dan Persa takes the "shirt" and the Cats may have the QB situation well
in hand for the next 5 years. According to our Scout guys, we're well on to a
couple of studs this year too.

rsl

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> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of WildElk2@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:54 AM
> To: bwdolphin146@yahoo.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Our guy does good
> 
> 
> Brad wasn't lying when he said Dan Persa looked  good.  I 
> watched over half 
> of the Big 33 game, and Persa was way too fast  for Ohio's 
> defenders.  He threw 
> 10-12 times; only one throw was  uncatchable.  He rolls out 
> quickly and is 
> very decisive; credit  Pennsylvania's coaches installing an 
> "NU friendly" spread 
> offense that worked  well for Dan.
>    A surprise:  The announcer (Scott Graham; an ex-Phillies  
> announcer) said 
> that Persa chose NU over West Virgina as he expected to 
> compete  for Bacher's 
> spot this season. Maybe this was blather used to fill air 
> time; I  think Persa 
> has as much of a chance for the starting position this season 
> as I  do. If 
> Kafka has improved, I was thinking 'redshirt" for Mr. Persa.
>    Nice shot of NU football in June. Less than 2 months until 
>  Kenosha.  
> After last year's sadness, I'm stoked for this season.
>  
>                                 GO  CATS!!!!                   Eric
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> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jun 18 08:28:26 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jun 18 08:23:42 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 6/18, etc....
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6/15 - http://northwestern.scout.com/2/652052.html

6/18 - http://northwestern.scout.com/2/652577.html

Enjoy the stuff about Persa...

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 19 14:25:35 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jun 19 14:25:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sad day in the Big Ten ...
Message-ID: <182703.68545.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2908831

For the second year in a row, it looks like we've lost
one of the Big Ten's football coaches.

I guess this one wasn't as unexpected as Walker's
death last year, but still just as tragic. Hoeppner
really looked like he was on the verge of turning
Indiana football around and had done a fine job at
Miami after Walker came to Evanston.

Sad news - I know we all can identify with how Hoosier
fans are feeling.

- SjT

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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Tue Jun 19 14:40:08 2007
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Tue Jun 19 14:40:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sad day in the Big Ten ...
In-Reply-To: <182703.68545.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <182703.68545.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d477ce9c0706191240m62825223ta90fbcc54c5868cd@mail.gmail.com>

It's another tragic day for Miami of Ohio fans, as well.  Terry was at Miami
for 19 seasons, from 1986 to 2004, including six seasons as its head coach
from 1999 to 2004, following Randy Walker's departure to Northwestern.

Requiscat in Pace.

On 6/19/07, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sad news - I know we all can identify with how Hoosier
> fans are feeling.
>
> - SjT
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Jun 19 17:39:53 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jun 19 17:40:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Coach Hep 
Message-ID: <c1f.19052596.33a9b539@aol.com>

For Tributes to Coach Hoeppner, including one from Fitz, with a nice nod to  
Hep's memorial to Coach Walk, click on this link:  
_http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/061907aad.html_ 
(http://iuhoosiers.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/061907aad.html) 
 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 20 22:30:53 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jun 20 22:31:32 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] It's football time!!!
Message-ID: <366849.7643.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Walking by the magazine rack in the store last week, I
was delighted to see the college football annuals! The
perfect cure for a blah NBA finals, the usual baseball
yawn and the long wait for the Big Ten network that
will hopefully give us "classic replays" like the NFL
network and ESPN classic to help on the pigskin
withdrawal during the offseason.

So anyway, in the Sporting News annual, NU got some
surprising love in the conference opening segment
(Willie the Wildcat beat out probably the most
well-known conference group for best mascot in the
league), but were picked dead last in the league with
a 3-9 record overall. No respect for Fitz, who they
rank as the league's worst coach. To add to the ick
Factor, TSN is all aboard the Zook-Juice Illini love
train, predicting a bowl berth for ILL-noise.

Still, good to have the football talk back. They have
the Big Ten placing two in the BCS - an unbeaten
Michigan (left out of their USC-LSU title game) and an
11-1 Wisconsin. The only thing NU ranks in the top
half of the league in is the receiving corps and no
1st or 2nd team players.

Given how they pick two of our opponents - Duke and
EMU - to go 1-11, they must have us losing to Nevada
and all the Big Ten games. 

I gotta say I see 7-5 or 6-6 as much more likely. I
like our schedule this year in who our opponents play
the week before us. Nevada visits Nebraska (ouch),
Illinois visits OSU and MSU visits Wisconsin. Indiana
does have Ball State before us, but they visit Madison
the week before and have the big Bucket game with
Purdue the week after. Those are the four key games,
IMO, with us needing at least 3 of the 4 for bowl
hopes.

Minnesota, Purdue and Iowa are probably the ring above
those where we could pull an upset or two to offset
blowing a game or two. And Michigan and OSU would be a
true upset ... though we do catch them early.

Still, I like our chances to get into the bowl mix. I
think the league will be deep this year but that we'll
get an upset or two to help out. Our offense should be
solid and the D should keep improving. We gotta start
3-0, though. My early breakdown ...

*** TOP TEN TEAMS ***
- MICHIGAN: They're loaded on offense and it could be
LLoyd's swan song. The only bad news is that they're
the one Big Ten team that kept a tough schedule.
September includes Oregon, ND and PSU in consecutive
weeks and November has Wisky and OSU to end things ...
the good news is that only the Badgers are on the
road. If they escape those, the only other forseeable
slip up is at MSU in the rivalry game.

- WISCONSIN: With Iowa and MSU visiting Camp Randall,
the Badgers should be 6-0 heading into their toughest
road test of the year, a night game at PSU. Win that
and it's home free until November, when they visit OSU
and host Michigan. With a load of talent returning on
both sides, it's no wonder they're a popular sleeper
pick for the national title game.

*** TOP TWENTY TEAMS ***
- OHIO STATE: That Texas series was well timed in that
it ended last year and the young Bucks have a long
time before their first big game (the last week of
October at PSU ... unless Purdue decides to play D).
By the time they face the Badgers and Wolverines in
November, the offense should be recovered from their
losses and they could be a dangerous spoiler in the
Rose Bowl race.

- PENN STATE: The Nits may be the most balanced team
in the league and might be a favorite to win the thing
if there wasn't that one game on the schedule ... the
one JoePa hasn't been able to crack for more than a
decade. Michigan. The Irish, Badgers, Hawkeyes and
Bucknuts all visit Happy Valley ... but an early game
in the Big House will be the difference between a good
year and a great one in State College.

*** BOWL TEAMS ***
- IOWA: OK ... no more whining about NU's help from
the schedulemaker, either this year or in the past
when OSU was off the schedule. Yeah, we had years with
the Bucks off our slate, but never the luck Iowa has
this year in the rotation. No Michigan. No Ohio State.
Neither of the Big Two. Wow. If Ferentz can't pull a
10-win season out of this creampuff, he may be on a
serious hot seat by November. True, there are games at
Madison, State College and West Lafayette ... but win
two of those and Iowa could be Pasadena bound.

- PURDUE: There's a lot of starters returning and a
powerful offense ... but also some big questions on
the Boilers toughness, especially on D. No Badgers,
but the schedule is rough, especially in the middle,
with Notre Dame, Ohio State and Iowa visiting and a
trip to Ann Arbor in between. There's a November trip
to Happy Valley, too, but those four games in the
center will determine whether it's a January bowl of a
December one.

After those six, who should easily make the bowl cut,
it's going to be a mad scramble. No one's clearly out
of the postseason hunt and there will be no easy wins
in league play ... but each has a load of questions as
well that means that a break or two will determine who
gets to keep practicing in December.

* MINNESOTA: Lots of people back, but a new coach and
new offensive quarterback could mean trouble. Like NU,
winning the non-conference games area must ... and
they get to skip PSU and MSU, while also getting
Purdue, OSU and Wisconsin at home. Still, it's tough
to see more than six, maybe seven wins - Coach
Brewster may pay off in the future, but not right
away.

* MICHIGAN STATE: Same as Minny ... new coach + new
quarterback usually doesn't spell success. Throw in a
schedule with trips to South Bend, Madison, Columbus,
West Lafayette and Iowa City (not to mention Michigan
and Penn State visiting in November) and six wins will
be a great first year for Coach Dantonio.

* ILLINOIS: Expectations are high with Juice and all
Zook's recruits, and I'm not doubting all the hype.
But the Illini may still have some lumps as they climb
into new territory. A 4-0 start is possible, but the
middle of the schedule (visits from PSU, Wisconsin and
Michigan with a trip to Iowa) could squash the
momentum. Still, if they make it through that, a game
at OSU is the only real monster challenge left to
close the year.

* INDIANA: Obviously, there's no way to really gauge
how Coach Hoepp's loss will affect the rising
Hoosiers. Much like NU last year, I expect the early
rallying cry to be strong but for emotions to take a
toll later. At least the schedule is kind with no OSU
or Michigan and a 4-0 start could happen before trips
to Iowa, MSU and Wisconsin -- and a visit from PSU --
test IU's mettle. If they can get an upset or two,
though, everybody will be rooting for them in the
finale as they host rival Purdue.

So let the pigskin feast begin! I truly believe that
NU and Illinois have better chances of making a bowl
than MSU or Minny with their new coaches ... but I can
see scenarios for any team to get 6 or more wins this
year. The one thing I know for sure is that two of our
big three had better get BCS bids (Playing each other
in November instead of September probably won't help -
but making sure we pound ND down in September as a
league will) ... because we'll easily fill our bowl
spots and need room for more.

GO CATS!!! BEAT NEU (if we're always identified as
NWU, would NEU be correct?:) )!!!

-SjT

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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Thu Jun 21 01:20:47 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Thu Jun 21 01:21:09 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] It's football time!!!
In-Reply-To: <366849.7643.qm@web52908.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000601c7b3cc$4efafb80$6e00a8c0@PC244461808863>

I picked up Phil Steele's the other day and he is showing the Cats a bit
more love, picking NU to finish eighth but making the Motor City Bowl.
Steele picks Michigan to win the league and go to the Rose Bowl to face
Texas, with LSU vs USC in the title game.  Penn State gets the other BCS
bid, facing Oklahoma in the Orange in the Orange Bowl.  The projected Big
Ten finish, in order:
Mich.  (Rose)
Penn St. (Orange)
OSU (Capital One)
Iowa (Outback)
Wisc. (Champs Sports)
Purdue (Alamo)
Illinoise (Insight)
NU (Motor City)
MSU
Indiana
Minny

Mark



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of SjT (Stephen J. Truog)
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:31 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] It's football time!!!

Walking by the magazine rack in the store last week, I
was delighted to see the college football annuals! The
perfect cure for a blah NBA finals, the usual baseball
yawn and the long wait for the Big Ten network that
will hopefully give us "classic replays" like the NFL
network and ESPN classic to help on the pigskin
withdrawal during the offseason.

So anyway, in the Sporting News annual, NU got some
surprising love in the conference opening segment
(Willie the Wildcat beat out probably the most
well-known conference group for best mascot in the
league), but were picked dead last in the league with
a 3-9 record overall. No respect for Fitz, who they
rank as the league's worst coach. To add to the ick
Factor, TSN is all aboard the Zook-Juice Illini love
train, predicting a bowl berth for ILL-noise.

Still, good to have the football talk back. They have
the Big Ten placing two in the BCS - an unbeaten
Michigan (left out of their USC-LSU title game) and an
11-1 Wisconsin. The only thing NU ranks in the top
half of the league in is the receiving corps and no
1st or 2nd team players.

Given how they pick two of our opponents - Duke and
EMU - to go 1-11, they must have us losing to Nevada
and all the Big Ten games. 

I gotta say I see 7-5 or 6-6 as much more likely. I
like our schedule this year in who our opponents play
the week before us. Nevada visits Nebraska (ouch),
Illinois visits OSU and MSU visits Wisconsin. Indiana
does have Ball State before us, but they visit Madison
the week before and have the big Bucket game with
Purdue the week after. Those are the four key games,
IMO, with us needing at least 3 of the 4 for bowl
hopes.

Minnesota, Purdue and Iowa are probably the ring above
those where we could pull an upset or two to offset
blowing a game or two. And Michigan and OSU would be a
true upset ... though we do catch them early.

Still, I like our chances to get into the bowl mix. I
think the league will be deep this year but that we'll
get an upset or two to help out. Our offense should be
solid and the D should keep improving. We gotta start
3-0, though. My early breakdown ...

*** TOP TEN TEAMS ***
- MICHIGAN: They're loaded on offense and it could be
LLoyd's swan song. The only bad news is that they're
the one Big Ten team that kept a tough schedule.
September includes Oregon, ND and PSU in consecutive
weeks and November has Wisky and OSU to end things ...
the good news is that only the Badgers are on the
road. If they escape those, the only other forseeable
slip up is at MSU in the rivalry game.

- WISCONSIN: With Iowa and MSU visiting Camp Randall,
the Badgers should be 6-0 heading into their toughest
road test of the year, a night game at PSU. Win that
and it's home free until November, when they visit OSU
and host Michigan. With a load of talent returning on
both sides, it's no wonder they're a popular sleeper
pick for the national title game.

*** TOP TWENTY TEAMS ***
- OHIO STATE: That Texas series was well timed in that
it ended last year and the young Bucks have a long
time before their first big game (the last week of
October at PSU ... unless Purdue decides to play D).
By the time they face the Badgers and Wolverines in
November, the offense should be recovered from their
losses and they could be a dangerous spoiler in the
Rose Bowl race.

- PENN STATE: The Nits may be the most balanced team
in the league and might be a favorite to win the thing
if there wasn't that one game on the schedule ... the
one JoePa hasn't been able to crack for more than a
decade. Michigan. The Irish, Badgers, Hawkeyes and
Bucknuts all visit Happy Valley ... but an early game
in the Big House will be the difference between a good
year and a great one in State College.

*** BOWL TEAMS ***
- IOWA: OK ... no more whining about NU's help from
the schedulemaker, either this year or in the past
when OSU was off the schedule. Yeah, we had years with
the Bucks off our slate, but never the luck Iowa has
this year in the rotation. No Michigan. No Ohio State.
Neither of the Big Two. Wow. If Ferentz can't pull a
10-win season out of this creampuff, he may be on a
serious hot seat by November. True, there are games at
Madison, State College and West Lafayette ... but win
two of those and Iowa could be Pasadena bound.

- PURDUE: There's a lot of starters returning and a
powerful offense ... but also some big questions on
the Boilers toughness, especially on D. No Badgers,
but the schedule is rough, especially in the middle,
with Notre Dame, Ohio State and Iowa visiting and a
trip to Ann Arbor in between. There's a November trip
to Happy Valley, too, but those four games in the
center will determine whether it's a January bowl of a
December one.

After those six, who should easily make the bowl cut,
it's going to be a mad scramble. No one's clearly out
of the postseason hunt and there will be no easy wins
in league play ... but each has a load of questions as
well that means that a break or two will determine who
gets to keep practicing in December.

* MINNESOTA: Lots of people back, but a new coach and
new offensive quarterback could mean trouble. Like NU,
winning the non-conference games area must ... and
they get to skip PSU and MSU, while also getting
Purdue, OSU and Wisconsin at home. Still, it's tough
to see more than six, maybe seven wins - Coach
Brewster may pay off in the future, but not right
away.

* MICHIGAN STATE: Same as Minny ... new coach + new
quarterback usually doesn't spell success. Throw in a
schedule with trips to South Bend, Madison, Columbus,
West Lafayette and Iowa City (not to mention Michigan
and Penn State visiting in November) and six wins will
be a great first year for Coach Dantonio.

* ILLINOIS: Expectations are high with Juice and all
Zook's recruits, and I'm not doubting all the hype.
But the Illini may still have some lumps as they climb
into new territory. A 4-0 start is possible, but the
middle of the schedule (visits from PSU, Wisconsin and
Michigan with a trip to Iowa) could squash the
momentum. Still, if they make it through that, a game
at OSU is the only real monster challenge left to
close the year.

* INDIANA: Obviously, there's no way to really gauge
how Coach Hoepp's loss will affect the rising
Hoosiers. Much like NU last year, I expect the early
rallying cry to be strong but for emotions to take a
toll later. At least the schedule is kind with no OSU
or Michigan and a 4-0 start could happen before trips
to Iowa, MSU and Wisconsin -- and a visit from PSU --
test IU's mettle. If they can get an upset or two,
though, everybody will be rooting for them in the
finale as they host rival Purdue.

So let the pigskin feast begin! I truly believe that
NU and Illinois have better chances of making a bowl
than MSU or Minny with their new coaches ... but I can
see scenarios for any team to get 6 or more wins this
year. The one thing I know for sure is that two of our
big three had better get BCS bids (Playing each other
in November instead of September probably won't help -
but making sure we pound ND down in September as a
league will) ... because we'll easily fill our bowl
spots and need room for more.

GO CATS!!! BEAT NEU (if we're always identified as
NWU, would NEU be correct?:) )!!!

-SjT

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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jun 21 05:50:34 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jun 21 05:52:32 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] There is no joy in Mudville
References: <000601c7b3cc$4efafb80$6e00a8c0@PC244461808863>
Message-ID: <000d01c7b3f1$ff01d970$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Or York, Pennsylvania, either - except maybe WildElk and me.  Comcast is 
having difficulty negogiating with The Big 10 Channel, which means three 
Penn State games may not be seen in the area this season.  The Big 10ers 
want $1.10 from every subscriber on the cable in states that have a Big 10 
team and $.10 per from customers in other states.  They insist on putting 
their broadcasts on extended basic packages rather than select sports 
packages.  That is incredibly naive - and greedy - in my opinion because if 
fails to recognize that Big 10 alumni and football interest are all over the 
place.  Their monopolistic demands are yet another example of placing a 
financial imposition on cable customers, especially given that 10 of the 
teams are state schools residents pay for with their taxes.  The cable 
company rightly objects to upping the price of the extended basic service to 
every customer when a sizeable percentage of them will never turn on the 
channel (not that you can't make the argument for most other channels, and I 
believe there will be an increase in tiered packages in the not-too-distant 
future, possibly forced by Congress).  If they are that insistent on adding 
the channel to extended basic packages, then charge $.20 everywhere.

P.S.  On a different but related matter, Joe Paterno insists that Penn State 
cannot make a profit without seven home games.  Doesn't seem reasonable to 
me that you must have 700,000+ fans to go into the black in college 
football.  What's the matter?  Players' salaries too high? 

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 21 13:21:00 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Jun 21 13:21:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] There is no joy in Mudville
In-Reply-To: <000d01c7b3f1$ff01d970$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <36481.76820.qm@web52909.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> Or York, Pennsylvania, either - except maybe WildElk
> and me.  Comcast is 
> having difficulty negogiating with The Big 10
> Channel, which means three 

Boo Comcast!:) And a poor decision by the network as
well - the Big Ten is truly a national conference -
the bowls know it, the TV networks know it and the
merchandisers know it.

I saw their schedule for the first three weeks, so now
my question is how DirecTV is going to split the
"regional" games. If they show 'em all and I can get
NU on an alternate channel, fine with me. But if they
designate Arizona to only get the "main" game, then I
guess I better hope that reruns of all the day's games
are shown later at night.

But this is out west - I can't imagine a Big Ten game
not being shown in Big Ten country. They'll find a way
- surely a local station will step up or something.
They may be able to ignore fans wanting to see
Indiana-NU or so, but Penn State will find a way to be
on TV somewhere.

> P.S.  On a different but related matter, Joe Paterno
> insists that Penn State 
> cannot make a profit without seven home games. 
> Doesn't seem reasonable to 
> me that you must have 700,000+ fans to go into the
> black in college 
> football.  What's the matter?  Players' salaries too

I dunno about the profit part ... seems like an
exaggeration. But it's just another reason to call
bulls*** on the college football powers that be. They
said the 12th game was OK and that it would foster
more competitive inter-conference games and give the
"mid majors" chances at the BCS teams and BCS bowls.
Well, yes it works once and awhile (Boise State last
year, the great OSU-Texas series the last two years)
... but mostly it just gave the big boys a chance to
add another home game against another cupcake. And
schools like PSU have gotten to be dependent on that
extra 100,000+ at the gate and won't go back for a
series with Pitt over a more profitable one with
Temple.

And that 12th game (and 13th or 14th in some cases) is
OK, but a playoff would take away too much time from
class.

Yeah right.:)

But despite the idiocy up top, the games on the field
sure are fun to watch - hope Big Ten fans everywhere
can do so on the new network.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT


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From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 21 14:06:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] At least the moron has a sense of humor
Message-ID: <d53.c207c41.33ac2600@aol.com>

     
Wildcats Visit White  House on Monday  
Northwestern one of 28 teams feted by the  President  




Northwestern, which  won its third straight NCAA title this year, was 
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June 19, 2007  
WASHINGTON -- President Bush praised a diverse assembly of college  sports 
champions on Monday, including Northwestern's three-time defending  national 
champion women's lacrosse team.  
In all, 28 teams that won NCAA championships during 2006 and 2007 were  
honored on the White House South Lawn.  
Bush kept his comments to a spare eight minutes. That offered some  relief to 
those gathered in the scorching heat -- and to the president  himself, who 
struggled through his speech in a gravelly voice. A spokesman  said Bush 
probably had a cold.  
"You've distinguished yourselves on fields and fairways, tracks and  tennis 
courts, rivers and rinks, pommel horses and pools, bowling alleys,  mountains 
and basketball arenas," Bush said. "You have one thing in  common: You have 
achieved the great title 'Champion,' and nobody can take  that away from you."  
The championship teams spanned eight athletic conferences, 14 states  and 21 
campuses. The sports included bowling, cross country, fencing,  field hockey, 
gymnastics, lacrosse, volleyball and tennis.  
Bush praised the athletes for being good students and leaders. "For  those of 
you who follow presidential politics, you know I'll be around one  more 
year," Bush said. "I'm looking forward to having you come back."  
Bush also commented on the much ballyhooed "flip-flop flap" that  resulted 
when a few Northwestern players wore flip flops on their 2005  White House 
visit.  
"We've got teams here that have won three championships in a row," Bush  said 
to laughter on the lawn. "That would be called a three-peat. Georgia  Women's 
Gymnastics -- (applause) -- Northwestern Women's Lacrosse --  (applause).  
"I might as well go on the record, all right -- I was disappointed in  the 
footwear," the president said to further laughter. "It's just too  conventional, 
especially on a hot day."  




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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Thu Jun 21 14:09:08 2007
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Thu Jun 21 14:09:21 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] There is no joy in Mudville
Message-ID: <27944609.1182452949042.JavaMail.root@mswamui-bichon.atl.sa.earthlink.net>



-----Original Message-----
>From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jun 21, 2007 11:21 AM
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] There is no joy in Mudville
>
>> Or York, Pennsylvania, either - except maybe WildElk
>> and me.  Comcast is 
>> having difficulty negogiating with The Big 10
>> Channel, which means three 
>
>Boo Comcast!:) And a poor decision by the network as
>well - the Big Ten is truly a national conference -
>the bowls know it, the TV networks know it and the
>merchandisers know it.
>
>I saw their schedule for the first three weeks, so now
>my question is how DirecTV is going to split the
>"regional" games. If they show 'em all and I can get
>NU on an alternate channel, fine with me. But if they
>designate Arizona to only get the "main" game, then I
>guess I better hope that reruns of all the day's games
>are shown later at night.
>

Directv will either show all of the games on alternate channels or only one.  If they show them all then even if you don't subscribe to it you could go to a sports bar or to a friends house.  For those of us on the left coast 9:00 AM in a sports bar is not much fun, but it's better than listening to the radio feed over the internet.  At worst someone on the list could burn a dvd for you.

I have Directv so I'm hoping for the best.  At least I won't be spending the bucks for Gameplan this year.  Maybe I can talk the wife into a road trip.  We made the Reno game last year and the Michigan homecoming game the year before.  Unfortunately  none of the games are "out here" this year.

Clark Zahn





From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jun 21 14:09:36 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jun 21 14:10:49 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] At least the moron has a sense of humor
References: <d53.c207c41.33ac2600@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c7b437$b627efa0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Especially when our president isn't a moron.  (Remember, I didn't start 
this.) 

From wseliger at aol.com  Thu Jun 21 14:37:09 2007
From: wseliger at aol.com (wseliger@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 21 14:37:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] There is no joy in Mudville
In-Reply-To: <000d01c7b3f1$ff01d970$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
References: <000601c7b3cc$4efafb80$6e00a8c0@PC244461808863>
	<000d01c7b3f1$ff01d970$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
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>? P.S. On a different but related matter, Joe Paterno insists that Penn State cannot make a profit without seven home games.

That's amazing because I'm pretty sure they essentially have mandatory annual athletic department donations for many seats.? Of course those funds are going into the 'general' account rather than 'football'.


- Bill Seliger, CPIM, CSCP
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 5:50 am
Subject: [NU Sports] There is no joy in Mudville


Or York, Pennsylvania, either - except maybe WildElk and me. Comcast is having difficulty negogiating with The Big 10 Channel, which means three Penn State games may not be seen in the area this season. The Big 10ers want $1.10 from every subscriber on the cable in states that have a Big 10 team and $.10 per from customers in other states. They insist on putting their broadcasts on extended basic packages rather than select sports packages. That is incredibly naive - and greedy - in my opinion because if fails to recognize that Big 10 alumni and football interest are all over the place. Their monopolistic demands are yet another example of placing a financial imposition on cable customers, especially given that 10 of the teams are state schools residents pay for with their taxes. The cable company rightly objects to upping the price of the extended basic service to every customer when a sizeable percentage of them will never turn on the channel (not that you can't make the argument for most other channels, and I believe there will be an increase in tiered packages in the not-too-distant future, possibly forced by Congress). If they are that insistent on adding the channel to extended basic packages, then charge $.20 everywhere.?
?
P.S. On a different but related matter, Joe Paterno insists that Penn State cannot make a profit without seven home games. Doesn't seem reasonable to me that you must have 700,000+ fans to go into the black in college football. What's the matter? Players' salaries too high? ?
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Thu Jun 21 15:25:07 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 21 15:25:48 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] At least the moron has a sense of humor
Message-ID: <cad.130abb36.33ac38a3@aol.com>

OK I take back moron, you are correct he is smart and knows what he is  
doing, I substitute war criminal.



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From herms at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 21 15:32:46 2007
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Thu Jun 21 15:33:15 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] At least the moron has a sense of humor
In-Reply-To: <cad.130abb36.33ac38a3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY117-F28E95A7C01E8A4598873EBAE100@phx.gbl>

Ok...let's steer this conversation in a new direction.

I just moved to Washington D.C.  Is there a group of alumni/list 
members/Wildcat fans that gets together to watch football during the season? 
  I'm looking for a social outlet for my Saturdays in the fall.

Herman


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>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] At least the moron has a sense of humor
>Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:25:07 EDT
>
>OK I take back moron, you are correct he is smart and knows what he is
>doing, I substitute war criminal.
>
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jun 21 20:24:39 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jun 21 20:19:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] At least the moron has a sense of humor
In-Reply-To: <BAY117-F28E95A7C01E8A4598873EBAE100@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <009501c7b46c$1abf49c0$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>

There used to be a group that met down in Alexandria....at a sports bar, but I
haven't heard much about that group lately.

Try the Washington DC NU Club - they have great meetings, and good networking,
and I've enjoyed every event I've attended.

[Even if they're mostly members of the democrat party.]

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Herman Wang
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:33 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] At least the moron has a sense of humor
> 
> 
> Ok...let's steer this conversation in a new direction.
> 
> I just moved to Washington D.C.  Is there a group of alumni/list 
> members/Wildcat fans that gets together to watch football 
> during the season? 
>   I'm looking for a social outlet for my Saturdays in the fall.
> 
> Herman
> 
> 
> >From: MHRJGScott@aol.com
> >To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> >Subject: Re: [NU Sports] At least the moron has a sense of humor
> >Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 16:25:07 EDT
> >
> >OK I take back moron, you are correct he is smart and knows 
> what he is 
> >doing, I substitute war criminal.
> >
> >
> >
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jun 21 20:28:03 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jun 21 20:23:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] At least the moron has a sense of humor
In-Reply-To: <d53.c207c41.33ac2600@aol.com>
Message-ID: <009601c7b46c$94087b80$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>

The "moron" had higher grades at Yale than the last two "morons" of the other
party. He also had a legit MBA degree, not a dropout theology or a JD that was
never used.

In case you forget...

We were attacked during the Carter years, the Bush years, the Clinton years, but
chose to try to use the "legal system" to combat a war declared on us long
before anyone knew a Muslim, much less had to work with them.

The War Criminals live in the middle east, and they don't speak english as a
first language.

rsl

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> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of MHRJGScott@aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 3:06 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] At least the moron has a sense of humor
> 
> 
>      
> Wildcats Visit White  House on Monday  
> Northwestern one of 28 teams feted by the  President  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Northwestern, which  won its third straight NCAA title this year, was 
> congratulated at  The White House on Monday by President Bush.
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> 
> 
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> html#)   
> June 19, 2007  
> WASHINGTON -- President Bush praised a diverse assembly of 
> college  sports 
> champions on Monday, including Northwestern's three-time 
> defending  national 
> champion women's lacrosse team.  
> In all, 28 teams that won NCAA championships during 2006 and 
> 2007 were  
> honored on the White House South Lawn.  
> Bush kept his comments to a spare eight minutes. That offered 
> some  relief to 
> those gathered in the scorching heat -- and to the president  
> himself, who 
> struggled through his speech in a gravelly voice. A spokesman 
>  said Bush 
> probably had a cold.  
> "You've distinguished yourselves on fields and fairways, 
> tracks and  tennis 
> courts, rivers and rinks, pommel horses and pools, bowling 
> alleys,  mountains 
> and basketball arenas," Bush said. "You have one thing in  
> common: You have 
> achieved the great title 'Champion,' and nobody can take  
> that away from you."  
> The championship teams spanned eight athletic conferences, 14 
> states  and 21 
> campuses. The sports included bowling, cross country, 
> fencing,  field hockey, 
> gymnastics, lacrosse, volleyball and tennis.  
> Bush praised the athletes for being good students and 
> leaders. "For  those of 
> you who follow presidential politics, you know I'll be around 
> one  more 
> year," Bush said. "I'm looking forward to having you come back."  
> Bush also commented on the much ballyhooed "flip-flop flap" 
> that  resulted 
> when a few Northwestern players wore flip flops on their 2005 
>  White House 
> visit.  
> "We've got teams here that have won three championships in a 
> row," Bush  said 
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 21 23:22:40 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Thu Jun 21 23:23:11 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] purdue?
Message-ID: <276881.7858.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I have just started looking at football previews but I
have to say that SJT's well-thought-out and
entertaining analysis seems to have one disputable
point: Purdue is "easily" a bowl team? 

Their defense is shaky, the offense one-dimensional
and the schedule is hard. I could see them 4-8 easily.


Perdoo may well be a bowl team but I suspect they will
have to sweat it out.

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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 22 00:34:11 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Fri Jun 22 00:34:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
Message-ID: <205558.82744.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Steven is correct: the 12th game was sold in part as a
rivalry-reviver that would allow more schedule
flexibility. But ... Penn State-Pitt nixed.
Miami-Florida, nyet (Miami does fight, er, play
Florida INTERNATIONAL; oh goodie). Texas-Arkansas, no
way.

And few seem to be adding good non-league games -- NU
certainly is somewhat guilty of that, of course.

Now that I-AA games count for bowls every year, expect
to see a lot more of them, even if Auburn's skedding
of The Citadel a while back cost it a spot in the BCS
championship game.

Given that a total joke sked could cost a team a spot
in a BCS game, I'd expect the powers to try and feast
on low-level I-A teams, and this is what seems to be
happening; even Michigan, for years one of the tougher
skedders, appears to have joined the MAC. But then
Lloyd Carr said a couple of years ago that tough
non-con games were hurting his team's poll stance and
the like, so what can we expect?

Note, though, that USC's non-con slate has been
terrific lately (Kansas State, Arkansas, Fresno State,
Nebraska, N*** D*** of course) and that does seem to
have hurt them much ... 

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Jun 22 00:57:47 2007
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 00:58:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
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To me, as a loyal Cat fan, the 12th game means ONLY two things...



1) Six wins still gets you into a bowl game (assuming there are conference tie-in bowls to be filled, which in our league, is usually the case), and



2) 12 games means 4 non-conference foes, which means four teams like Duke, Northeastern, Nevada and Eastern Michigan.? We ought to be able to beat these kind of teams, and bully most of them into granting us more home games than they get.



Proper scheduling of the n-c games means a 2- or 3-win conference record still gets you into a bowl.



Which still means more practices (benefits the next season), and still benefits recruiting.



Heck, I'd argue for a 14-game schedule, if it meant 6 non-conference pushovers, and one conference win got you to a bowl.



In short, I like 'classic games', but I like bowl games better.

Maybe someday, when we are a USC-type powerhouse, I will want an awesome n-c slate.? But until we get there, I will stick with the weak n-c schedule.



Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


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Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues




Steven is correct: the 12th game was sold in part as a
ivalry-reviver that would allow more schedule
lexibility. But ... Penn State-Pitt nixed.
iami-Florida, nyet (Miami does fight, er, play
lorida INTERNATIONAL; oh goodie). Texas-Arkansas, no
ay.
And few seem to be adding good non-league games -- NU
ertainly is somewhat guilty of that, of course.
Now that I-AA games count for bowls every year, expect
o see a lot more of them, even if Auburn's skedding
f The Citadel a while back cost it a spot in the BCS
hampionship game.
Given that a total joke sked could cost a team a spot
n a BCS game, I'd expect the powers to try and feast
n low-level I-A teams, and this is what seems to be
appening; even Michigan, for years one of the tougher
kedders, appears to have joined the MAC. But then
loyd Carr said a couple of years ago that tough
on-con games were hurting his team's poll stance and
he like, so what can we expect?
Note, though, that USC's non-con slate has been
errific lately (Kansas State, Arkansas, Fresno State,
ebraska, N*** D*** of course) and that does seem to
ave hurt them much ... 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 22 01:47:00 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Jun 22 01:47:30 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
In-Reply-To: <8C982A964E1BBFE-101C-176F0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <437827.9888.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> To me, as a loyal Cat fan, the 12th game means ONLY
> two things...
> 
I agree - I never said what we were doing was wrong.
You play the game by the rules set up, and with the
"quality win" gone out of the BCS formula, no RPI and
no real reward, there's absolutely no incentive for a
Big Ten team to schedule a challenging n-c slate.
Certainly not teams that often need those n-c wins to
reach the bowl eligibility level, like NU.

Penn State doesn't really need that extra cupcake ...
but there's no incentive for them to reach out either
when they can get 7 or 8 home games and all that $$$
every year.

In USC's case, the ND series is one they can't get out
of, and the other challenging scheduling may come from
the lack of respect the Pac 10 is given. Granted, it
is earning more respect and deserves more respect (the
Oregon and Arizona schools are rising and Cal and UCLA
are BCS contenders this year as well) ... but their
wins out of league get them more notice nationally
than those poorly televised Pac 10 games.

I was merely pointing out the laughability of anything
the governing board says on college football - whether
it's how a 12th game will increase n-c rivalry games,
the extra BCS bowl benefits mid-majors or how a
playoff will take away from class time, while Tuesday
night games will not.:)

So as an NU fan, I understand how it helps us. But as
a fan of good football, I share those 12th game blues.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 22 03:10:44 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Fri Jun 22 03:11:03 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
In-Reply-To: <437827.9888.qm@web52906.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <131084.24857.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> I agree - I never said what we were doing was wrong.

And I concur, with the slight caveat that I'd prefer
to avoid the I-AA teams by playing teams such as Army,
Temple, Tulane, etc. Maybe Syracuse, Pitt, Missouri
once in a while. 

there's absolutely no incentive for
> a
> Big Ten team to schedule a challenging n-c slate.

Quite so -- unless you believe that by playing one
decent non-con game you help prepare your team for the
Big 10 challenges ahead. In 1995, I would have to say
it helped NU to have played -- and beaten -- Notre
Dame  in the opener.

A fellow NU fan (Chris Bailey, known to some here) is
a big believer in the
tough-non-league-games-make-for-good
preparation-for-league games theory. I am somewhat
skeptical -- me thinks if you win those games, it
helps, but losing 68-3 to Texas in the opener is not
what the doctor ordered -- but this NU season will
tell the tale: Northeastern, Nevada and Duke followed
by ...  OSU and Michigan. We'll find out.

> Penn State doesn't really need that extra cupcake
> ...
> but there's no incentive for them to reach out
> either
> when they can get 7 or 8 home games and all that $$$
> every year.

They say they have to have at least 7 home games. PSU
does, generally, have one decent game (I know they
have an Alabama series coming up).

> In USC's case, the ND series is one they can't get
> out
> of, and the other challenging scheduling may come
> from
> the lack of respect the Pac 10 is given. 

Perhaps .. but again Mr. Bailey would say those games
with Nebraska and Arkansas toughened USC up for Cal,
UCLA and Oregon. 

> I was merely pointing out the laughability of
> anything
> the governing board says on college football -

That is surely true.

bw


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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 22 03:19:44 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Fri Jun 22 03:20:07 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
In-Reply-To: <8C982A964E1BBFE-101C-176F0@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <731021.66376.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> 1) Six wins still gets you into a bowl game
> (assuming there are conference tie-in bowls to be
> filled, which in our league, is usually the case),

As long as you avoid 13th games at Hawaii (I know, the
circumstances weren't quite the same then) ... but
correct, a BT team with 6 wins is going bowling.

> 2) 12 games means 4 non-conference foes, which means
> four teams like Duke, Northeastern, Nevada and
> Eastern Michigan.  We ought to be able to beat these
> kind of teams, and bully most of them into granting
> us more home games than they get.

Well, in theory yes, we should beat them, but then New
Hampshire, Miami-Ohio, Bowling Green, Wake Forest
(surely I am missing some dreadful non-con loss,
though I try and forget them as soon as possible) come
to my mind ... yuck. The home games part is surely
true; I would never play at a MAC school. Ever. I
suppose Randy Walker was doing the old haunt a favor
with last year's  opener, but I would not repeat it.

> Heck, I'd argue for a 14-game schedule, if it meant
> 6 non-conference pushovers, and one conference win
> got you to a bowl.

At some point don't we run out of pushovers(smile)?

> Maybe someday, when we are a USC-type powerhouse, I
> will want an awesome n-c slate.  But until we get
> there, I will stick with the weak n-c schedule.

I agree with this completely given the benefits of
bowling, as Chuck notes. I have defended NU's
scheduling against Badger and Nittany Lion fans who
rip us for playing patsies (glass houses, guys); after
all, if they can play I-AA teams so can we (they beat
theirs, though). 

I guess I just wish it was different.

bw


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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jun 22 06:21:49 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jun 22 06:23:19 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
References: <731021.66376.qm@web51312.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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<Well, in theory yes, we should beat them, but then New
<Hampshire, Miami-Ohio, Bowling Green, Wake Forest
<(surely I am missing some dreadful non-con loss,

Rice, Duke, Hawaii

From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Fri Jun 22 06:44:41 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Fri Jun 22 06:46:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
Message-ID: <20070622.064441.6301.0@webmail14.dca.untd.com>

NO!  12-games is already 1 too many.

I love my season tickets, but I feel burned out late in the season.  
With more useless/tune-up games it would get even worse.

I want to see 1-2 home non-conference games to give our new players a 
sense of game speed and to get me back into the football groove, but 
no more than that.

Also early season the weather is warm, which not only means I waste a 
perfectly good day that I could be out running or cycling, but also 
warm weather football is evil.  Football should always be played on 
cool, crisp mid-October days with a mix of sun and some winter-hinting 
gloom.

If you extend the season later into the fall the weather gets quite 
iffy and there is less time to buy plane tickets, book hotels, 
kennels, schedule vacation days, etc. for bowl games.

Say no to extra creampuffs, america is fat enough already ;-)

-- cherron604@aol.com wrote:
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Heck, I'd argue for a 14-game schedule, if it meant 6 non-conference 
pushovers, and one conference win got you to a bowl.
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Fri Jun 22 06:48:38 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Fri Jun 22 06:50:14 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] purdue?
Message-ID: <20070622.064838.6301.1@webmail14.dca.untd.com>

I agree with you.  

Purdue has lots its mojo.  Tiller has a good chance of doing a 
Mallory -- getting axed for a few bad season after being the most 
successful coach the school has ever head.

Tiller understands this and talked about it in his recruiting 
philosophy.  Stop trying to go after the prized recruits and get 
overlooked ones that are a better fit with purdue.  Obviously not an 
exact quote, but that is the gist of what he said either this February 
or last.

-- Brad Wilson <bwdolphin146@yahoo.com> wrote:
I have just started looking at football previews but I
have to say that SJT's well-thought-out and
entertaining analysis seems to have one disputable
point: Purdue is "easily" a bowl team? 

Their defense is shaky, the offense one-dimensional
and the schedule is hard. I could see them 4-8 easily.


Perdoo may well be a bowl team but I suspect they will
have to sweat it out.

bw
 

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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jun 22 09:05:49 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:07:39 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
References: <20070622.064441.6301.0@webmail14.dca.untd.com>
Message-ID: <000501c7b4d6$7026a3d0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

> I want to see 1-2 home non-conference games to give our new players a
> sense of game speed and to get me back into the football groove, but
> no more than that.
>
> Football should always be played on cool, crisp mid-October days with a
> mix of sun and some winter-hinting gloom.

And the sound of a train should be a steam whistle, not a horn.  I agree 
it's sad, but it's the way of sports these days.  If the World Series goes 
seven games this year, even without one rain or freeze-out that last game 
will be played on November 1.  The NBA finals just ended a week or so ago, 
and in three more months they'll be back in training camp.  And there have 
been Super Bowls played in February.  I won't be surprised the day the NCAA 
announces the advent of April Madness.

Before Comcast bought York's Suscom cable system, customers were literally 
being gouged by ESPN who charged the company increases in the area of 20% 
and more virtually every year, knowing that the cable company could not drop 
them without losing thousands of customers.  ESPN is not alone in the greed 
factory.  When Suscom wanted to add the Speed Channel to their digital 
package, the demanded price was $240,000 a year for one channel plus 
additional demands for several other sports channels at even more cost. 
Comcast Philadelphia wanted $2.50 from every extended basic subscriber to a 
single Philadelphia sports channel.  Suscom refused, and now that Comcast 
owns our system, they still won't add the channel for the same reason.

On the other hand, I believe it possible that the big TV sports contracts 
will start to level out.  There are millions of cable and satellite 
subscribers who never turn on a sporting event even though the cost of those 
broadcasts is the single largest factor in their bill.  (On a similar vein, 
there are also guys like me who resent paying his money to support the 
detested MTV.)  There is pressure for an increase in tiering and a la carte 
services, and the public will turn to Congress for a solution.  Washington 
is hardly the ideal place to resolve the issue - they're on the verge of 
undermining satellite radio, for example - but go to them the public will 
because there seems to be no alternative.  That will mean that either the 
sports contracts will have to stop their upward spiral, or they will grossly 
increase the cost for those who do want the channels.  In either case, it 
will cause an erosion of the customer base.

Price gouging is not limited to TV.  As Bill Giles' book, Pouring Six Beers 
at a Time, so well points out, my tax money helped build four new stadiums 
in Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, but I couldn't buy a good seat in any of 
them, if I could get one at all, and then they black out competing 
broadcasts whenever they feel like it.  There's a point at which you say, 
screw it.  I have to do something.

I hope the poor goose doesn't rupture from being squeezed so hard, but 
something has got to give.

From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Fri Jun 22 09:40:13 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Fri Jun 22 09:41:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
In-Reply-To: <20070622.064441.6301.0@webmail14.dca.untd.com>
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Since I can't comment on the President's intelligence or morality, I thought
I would add a few thoughts to this thread.

I love going to bowl games.  I think it is great fun.  It would be even more
fun to win one of them, but going  has been great.

I have to admit, though, that it is a guilty pleasure because we are
complicit in the slow march of sport overtaking study.  So far, the BT has
held the line on play after thanksgiving.  That's important because it allows
football players to have at least a little time to study and prepare for
finals. If we continue to see BT teams fall in the BCS polls in December and
performing poorly in bowls because of the long layoff, the pressure is going
to mount to extend the season and have some sort of conference playoff.

IMHO, the season is already too long.  The 12th game is all about money.  It
is about making more teams bowl eligible.  It is about getting another home
game for the "big" teams, and getting nice payoff for the "little" teams.

I think it would be much more interesting if the NCAA included an academic
requirement that became more rigorous with each additional game over say 11,
that a team played.  The teeth of the academic requirement would be the
number of scholarships a team could offer the next year.  So football powers
who regularly compete in conference championships and bowl games (more
practice should not come at the expense of school) would be held to a higher
academic standard than those who didn't play those extra games.

I don't think it would ever happen, but it would be interesting.

Jeff


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Behalf Of mlinhardt@netzero.net
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:45 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 12th game blues

NO!  12-games is already 1 too many.

I love my season tickets, but I feel burned out late in the season.  
With more useless/tune-up games it would get even worse.

I want to see 1-2 home non-conference games to give our new players a sense
of game speed and to get me back into the football groove, but no more than
that.

Also early season the weather is warm, which not only means I waste a
perfectly good day that I could be out running or cycling, but also warm
weather football is evil.  Football should always be played on cool, crisp
mid-October days with a mix of sun and some winter-hinting gloom.

If you extend the season later into the fall the weather gets quite iffy and
there is less time to buy plane tickets, book hotels, kennels, schedule
vacation days, etc. for bowl games.

Say no to extra creampuffs, america is fat enough already ;-)

-- cherron604@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Heck, I'd argue for a 14-game schedule, if it meant 6 non-conference
pushovers, and one conference win got you to a bowl.
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jun 22 10:32:42 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jun 22 10:27:17 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
In-Reply-To: <4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0C8E4928@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>
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Not sure any of the Big Powers would accept the increased standards. If you
follow many of the team stories these days, if the kids aren't getting arrested
in bar fights, they're flunking out [Maryland lost a top starter to grades just
today.]

I have always wished for a Big 10 playoff game, even if it would be between dOSU
and UM most of the time, because it would put that final game after Thanksgiving
and let our conference champ have a chance at winning the big game on January
1st or 2nd. Right now, our teams always look rusty in the first part of those
BCS games and it really was obvious last year.

rsl 


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:40 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
> 
> 
> Since I can't comment on the President's intelligence or 
> morality, I thought I would add a few thoughts to this thread.
> 
> I love going to bowl games.  I think it is great fun.  It 
> would be even more fun to win one of them, but going  has been great.
> 
> I have to admit, though, that it is a guilty pleasure because 
> we are complicit in the slow march of sport overtaking study. 
>  So far, the BT has held the line on play after thanksgiving. 
>  That's important because it allows football players to have 
> at least a little time to study and prepare for finals. If we 
> continue to see BT teams fall in the BCS polls in December 
> and performing poorly in bowls because of the long layoff, 
> the pressure is going to mount to extend the season and have 
> some sort of conference playoff.
> 
> IMHO, the season is already too long.  The 12th game is all 
> about money.  It is about making more teams bowl eligible.  
> It is about getting another home game for the "big" teams, 
> and getting nice payoff for the "little" teams.
> 
> I think it would be much more interesting if the NCAA 
> included an academic requirement that became more rigorous 
> with each additional game over say 11, that a team played.  
> The teeth of the academic requirement would be the number of 
> scholarships a team could offer the next year.  So football 
> powers who regularly compete in conference championships and 
> bowl games (more practice should not come at the expense of 
> school) would be held to a higher academic standard than 
> those who didn't play those extra games.
> 
> I don't think it would ever happen, but it would be interesting.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of 
> mlinhardt@netzero.net
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:45 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
> 
> NO!  12-games is already 1 too many.
> 
> I love my season tickets, but I feel burned out late in the season.  
> With more useless/tune-up games it would get even worse.
> 
> I want to see 1-2 home non-conference games to give our new 
> players a sense of game speed and to get me back into the 
> football groove, but no more than that.
> 
> Also early season the weather is warm, which not only means I 
> waste a perfectly good day that I could be out running or 
> cycling, but also warm weather football is evil.  Football 
> should always be played on cool, crisp mid-October days with 
> a mix of sun and some winter-hinting gloom.
> 
> If you extend the season later into the fall the weather gets 
> quite iffy and there is less time to buy plane tickets, book 
> hotels, kennels, schedule vacation days, etc. for bowl games.
> 
> Say no to extra creampuffs, america is fat enough already ;-)
> 
> -- cherron604@aol.com wrote:
> <snip>
> Heck, I'd argue for a 14-game schedule, if it meant 6 
> non-conference pushovers, and one conference win got you to a 
> bowl. <snip>
> 
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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Fri Jun 22 18:55:14 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Fri Jun 22 18:56:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
In-Reply-To: <009b01c7b4e2$92fcd440$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <000301c7b528$c750a960$7200a8c0@PC244461808863>

NOOOOOO
We have to hold the line against the abomination that is the conference
championship.  The only reason it is played is money and with the advent of
the Big Ten Network (whatever you may think of it and whether you can watch
it) the conference is not lacking for money, there is no reason to play it.
Besides, that would mean expansion, since 12 is required for a championship
game - something else I'm opposed to.

OSU was simply too slow for Florida and it wouldn't have mattered if the
Bucks had played two games after Thanksgiving, they still would have lost.
Mark



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Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 11:33 AM
To: 'Jeff Beamsley'; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] 12th game blues

Not sure any of the Big Powers would accept the increased standards. If you
follow many of the team stories these days, if the kids aren't getting
arrested
in bar fights, they're flunking out [Maryland lost a top starter to grades
just
today.]

I have always wished for a Big 10 playoff game, even if it would be between
dOSU
and UM most of the time, because it would put that final game after
Thanksgiving
and let our conference champ have a chance at winning the big game on
January
1st or 2nd. Right now, our teams always look rusty in the first part of
those
BCS games and it really was obvious last year.

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 10:40 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
> 
> 
> Since I can't comment on the President's intelligence or 
> morality, I thought I would add a few thoughts to this thread.
> 
> I love going to bowl games.  I think it is great fun.  It 
> would be even more fun to win one of them, but going  has been great.
> 
> I have to admit, though, that it is a guilty pleasure because 
> we are complicit in the slow march of sport overtaking study. 
>  So far, the BT has held the line on play after thanksgiving. 
>  That's important because it allows football players to have 
> at least a little time to study and prepare for finals. If we 
> continue to see BT teams fall in the BCS polls in December 
> and performing poorly in bowls because of the long layoff, 
> the pressure is going to mount to extend the season and have 
> some sort of conference playoff.
> 
> IMHO, the season is already too long.  The 12th game is all 
> about money.  It is about making more teams bowl eligible.  
> It is about getting another home game for the "big" teams, 
> and getting nice payoff for the "little" teams.
> 
> I think it would be much more interesting if the NCAA 
> included an academic requirement that became more rigorous 
> with each additional game over say 11, that a team played.  
> The teeth of the academic requirement would be the number of 
> scholarships a team could offer the next year.  So football 
> powers who regularly compete in conference championships and 
> bowl games (more practice should not come at the expense of 
> school) would be held to a higher academic standard than 
> those who didn't play those extra games.
> 
> I don't think it would ever happen, but it would be interesting.
> 
> Jeff
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of 
> mlinhardt@netzero.net
> Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 7:45 AM
> To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
> 
> NO!  12-games is already 1 too many.
> 
> I love my season tickets, but I feel burned out late in the season.  
> With more useless/tune-up games it would get even worse.
> 
> I want to see 1-2 home non-conference games to give our new 
> players a sense of game speed and to get me back into the 
> football groove, but no more than that.
> 
> Also early season the weather is warm, which not only means I 
> waste a perfectly good day that I could be out running or 
> cycling, but also warm weather football is evil.  Football 
> should always be played on cool, crisp mid-October days with 
> a mix of sun and some winter-hinting gloom.
> 
> If you extend the season later into the fall the weather gets 
> quite iffy and there is less time to buy plane tickets, book 
> hotels, kennels, schedule vacation days, etc. for bowl games.
> 
> Say no to extra creampuffs, america is fat enough already ;-)
> 
> -- cherron604@aol.com wrote:
> <snip>
> Heck, I'd argue for a 14-game schedule, if it meant 6 
> non-conference pushovers, and one conference win got you to a 
> bowl. <snip>
> 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 22 20:25:37 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Jun 22 20:25:52 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
In-Reply-To: <000301c7b528$c750a960$7200a8c0@PC244461808863>
Message-ID: <712284.94849.qm@web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> NOOOOOO
> We have to hold the line against the abomination
> that is the conference
> championship.  The only reason it is played is money

Well, a 12th team that makes sense (i.e. Notre Dame)
would not be a bad thing for the league. The title
game is about money, but it would also settle those
ties created by the uneven scheduling of the league
(which is a big factor - OSU/Wisky last year, OSU/Iowa
in 2002, our titles with OSU, etc.).

But just grabbing any team for a title game, I agree,
is bad.

> OSU was simply too slow for Florida and it wouldn't
> have mattered if the
> Bucks had played two games after Thanksgiving, they
> still would have lost.

I disagree with that - a two-month layoff does affect
teams. Given how Big Ten teams already have a
disadvantage in bowls with often playing on other
teams' turf, the layoff is another barrier for us.

Last year there were a lot of factors which all seemed
to break right for the Gators, which could be why it
seemed like such an unearned championship. USC's
upset, the anti-rematch vibe with Michigan, the long
layoff for OSU, Ginn's injury, Tressel's sudden
transformation into a coach who forgets adjustments
and the running game, etc.

The B(C)S had gotten off the hook in the past when the
lone remaining unbeaten played the system's #2 team
out of all the 1-loss teams ... but this time, the
unbeaten team lost. Was Florida the best team that
night? Yes. Would they beat OSU on another night? I'm
not so sure. Were they the best team in college
football last year? I doubt it.

But hey, they won under the current system and good
for them. I'm sure it bugs FSU and Miami fans to no
end, which means it can't be a completely bad thing.:)
But I'm ready to move on to this year and hopefully
not feel like the title game is so manipulated as a
Big Ten team drops two times without playing a game.

The Big Ten may not need to add a 12th team, but we
still do need to consider moving some games later in
the year. If the Sporting News' predictions come true
and LSU, USC and Michigan all march through their
campaigns undefeated this year - Michigan will have
ended their season while both the Trojans and Tigers
each have two games left and two more chances to
impress the voters. That hurts us as a league to be
done 2-3 weeks before the rest of major college
football - both in being in the news and in long
spells off before bowls.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Fri Jun 22 20:59:19 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 20:59:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
Message-ID: <c22.16f6022b.33add877@aol.com>

Well her is my take, I would rather see a conference championship (which is  
about money) than some stupid bowl game (Motor city, Helen of Troy, etc) 
(which  is about money). It is all about money, isn't it? If you are not up on what 
is  happening at Vandy you should be. They abolished the AD and his staff and 
the  whole campus is jock friendly. NU should take a leadership role like  
that.



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From cherron604 at aol.com  Fri Jun 22 22:27:18 2007
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jun 22 22:27:44 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
In-Reply-To: <712284.94849.qm@web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C9835D89711FCC-101C-1A1D3@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com>

This may be an unpopular notion - but if a 12-team league meant 2 6-team divisions, I would have to give it some serious consideration.? As long as we ended up in some 'Western Division', that would keep Michigan and Ohio State away from us.? Does anybody know - is 7 or 8 the minimum requirement for conference games ?? If it is 8, we could?miss OSU half the time, and miss Michigan half the time.? As for candidates ?? Missouri, Rutgers, Syracuse ??

Chuck Herron?? Tech '85


-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: Mark Ament <prplehaze@insightbb.com>; rstetson@capps-assoc.com; 'Jeff Beamsley' <jeff.beamsley@hilgraeve.com>; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 8:25 pm
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] 12th game blues



> NOOOOOO
 We have to hold the line against the abomination
 that is the conference
 championship.  The only reason it is played is money
Well, a 12th team that makes sense (i.e. Notre Dame)
ould not be a bad thing for the league. The title
ame is about money, but it would also settle those
ies created by the uneven scheduling of the league
which is a big factor - OSU/Wisky last year, OSU/Iowa
n 2002, our titles with OSU, etc.).
But just grabbing any team for a title game, I agree,
s bad.
> OSU was simply too slow for Florida and it wouldn't
 have mattered if the
 Bucks had played two games after Thanksgiving, they
 still would have lost.
I disagree with that - a two-month layoff does affect
eams. Given how Big Ten teams already have a
isadvantage in bowls with often playing on other
eams' turf, the layoff is another barrier for us.
Last year there were a lot of factors which all seemed
o break right for the Gators, which could be why it
eemed like such an unearned championship. USC's
pset, the anti-rematch vibe with Michigan, the long
ayoff for OSU, Ginn's injury, Tressel's sudden
ransformation into a coach who forgets adjustments
nd the running game, etc.
The B(C)S had gotten off the hook in the past when the
one remaining unbeaten played the system's #2 team
ut of all the 1-loss teams ... but this time, the
nbeaten team lost. Was Florida the best team that
ight? Yes. Would they beat OSU on another night? I'm
ot so sure. Were they the best team in college
ootball last year? I doubt it.
But hey, they won under the current system and good
or them. I'm sure it bugs FSU and Miami fans to no
nd, which means it can't be a completely bad thing.:)
ut I'm ready to move on to this year and hopefully
ot feel like the title game is so manipulated as a
ig Ten team drops two times without playing a game.
The Big Ten may not need to add a 12th team, but we
till do need to consider moving some games later in
he year. If the Sporting News' predictions come true
nd LSU, USC and Michigan all march through their
ampaigns undefeated this year - Michigan will have
nded their season while both the Trojans and Tigers
ach have two games left and two more chances to
mpress the voters. That hurts us as a league to be
one 2-3 weeks before the rest of major college
ootball - both in being in the news and in long
pells off before bowls.
GO CATS!!!
SjT
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Jun 23 07:11:19 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Jun 23 07:13:02 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
References: <8C9835D89711FCC-101C-1A1D3@MBLK-M13.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <002001c7b58f$9b985130$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

If the Big 10 goes to twelve teams, will it then call itself the Big 11?

No more eastern teams in the Big 10!  To this day there is no sense of 
rivalry between Penn State and their midwest counterparts because joining 
the Big 10 has destroyed their traditional eastern rivalries, Pitt and 
Syracuse being the two most prominent.  The university wants the bucks, but 
ask the fans and I think you would see they would rather watch Pitt, 
Maryland, Virginia Tech, Boston College, and now Rutgers much more than 
Minnesota, Northwestern, etc.  (Ohio State and Michigan?  Sure.  In the 
pre-season.)  Add Notre Dame to the conference.  All you have to do is ask 
them, and they'll come begging.  (Sure!)  A conference championship would be 
a great addition to the schedule. 

From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Sat Jun 23 09:10:37 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Sat Jun 23 09:11:19 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
In-Reply-To: <c22.16f6022b.33add877@aol.com>
References: <c22.16f6022b.33add877@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0C8E49DC@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>

BTW, to continue your appropriate "money" theme.  The Vandy re-org was about
money too.  The president and the board decided that they were willing to
take the risk that the athletic program would suffer in return for the budget
savings that came from integrating athletics into the traditional student
activities organization.  They also saved money by eliminating many of the
athlete-only facilities (dorms, dining halls, etc.).

It was a bold move, but appears to be bearing fruit both in results as well
as creating a better sense of community on campus.  Something NU should look
at closely.

Jeff

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Behalf Of MHRJGScott@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2007 9:59 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] 12th game blues

Well her is my take, I would rather see a conference championship (which is
about money) than some stupid bowl game (Motor city, Helen of Troy, etc)
(which  is about money). It is all about money, isn't it? If you are not up
on what is  happening at Vandy you should be. They abolished the AD and his
staff and the  whole campus is jock friendly. NU should take a leadership
role like that.



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From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Jun 23 10:12:15 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Jun 23 10:12:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] 12th game blues
In-Reply-To: <712284.94849.qm@web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <712284.94849.qm@web52912.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <467D384F.1040005@att.net>



SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
> Last year there were a lot of factors which all seemed
> to break right for the Gators, which could be why it
> seemed like such an unearned championship. USC's
> upset, the anti-rematch vibe with Michigan, the long
> layoff for OSU, Ginn's injury, Tressel's sudden
> transformation into a coach who forgets adjustments
> and the running game, etc.
>   

With the exception of the anti-rematch vibe, all of these are things 
that are inherent to any sports contest, especially post-season.  An NBA 
or NHL team that gets a sweep often has to wait for their next opponent 
to go through a grueling seven-game series.  There is always debate as 
to whether the layoff helps or hurts.  But for me the only reason the 
layoff difference matters is the effect it has on the polls.  I don't 
think there's much difference between not playing for five weeks and not 
playing for seven.  Either way, that's a long time.  As for the rest, 
upsets, injuries, and the performance of the coach are all part of any 
game.  You can't say, "OSU was the better team, it was just the coach 
who screwed up," because the coach is part of the team.  There's no 
difference between the coach making bad decisions and the QB making bad 
decisions.  Both are game-time performance issues.  Just because one is 
management and one is athletic doesn't matter.

> Was Florida the best team that
> night? Yes. Would they beat OSU on another night? I'm
> not so sure. Were they the best team in college
> football last year? I doubt it.
>   

Completely irrelevant argument.  The same things are frequently said 
about March Madness.  It's not always always a matter of being the best 
team throughout the season, it's about peaking at the right time.  
History is riddled with upsets of the #1 team or player, in all sports.  
If it was just about the regular season, then scrap the championship 
game altogether and just crown the top team in the rankings in mid-December.

-Michael

From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jun 27 17:12:46 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Jun 27 17:13:12 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
Message-ID: <000601c7b908$4aa9d6f0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

No sooner did I write about the Big Ten Network's greed in demanding $1.10 from every cable subscriber in a Big Ten state than the spit or other bodily excretion hit the political fan.  Rep. John Dingell of Michigan is getting lots of complaints from Wolverine fans that no cable company in the state at this point plans to carry the network, thus denying fans three televised Michigan games.  Dingell, who apparently is not a Michigan State, Eastern Michigan, or Western Michigan fan, has already talked with the Big Ten commissioner.  Watch out!  Washington's involved.

Then there is the battle of political correctness between the Big Ten and Comcast who dared call Iowa women's volleyball "second tier," which, of course, is true, along with any gender of college lacrosse, wrestling, track and field, soccer, swimming, tiddlywinks, etc.  For that matter, so is the Northwestern-Indiana football game (probably).  The Big Ten Network is a niche channel that is very unlikely to ever carry a sporting event of anything more than local or specialized interest just like CSTV.  A buck-ten for one channel of this nature is outrageous.  The odds are that most cable companies will not be carrying the channel this season.

I also note that Congress may be very close to demanding a la carte programming from cable and satellite providers, which columnist Cal Thomas thinks is a bad idea because the government should not be involved.  I tend to agree, but I also smell monopolies at work.  (Cue Sen. John Sherman and his famous act.)  The cable/satellite industry may fight back with ridiculous pricing for individual channels or tiers.  Bring it on!  I got DirecTV.
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 27 17:59:59 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jun 27 18:00:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
In-Reply-To: <000601c7b908$4aa9d6f0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <845168.69087.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> or tiers.  Bring it on!  I got DirecTV.

:) - I think that last sentence says it all. And ditto
on that as well. It's not just the NFL Sunday Ticket
and now Big Ten Network, but I just prefer it in many
ways over the cable companies I've dealt with in
Illinois, Michigan and Indiana.

Missing a football game will definitely get a lot of
fans to make the switch over, and Comcast will soften
its stance as more customers leave. I know that would
make the choice easy for me if I were in the situation
of cable vs. satellite.

As for the "second tier" comment, I agree that it's
ridiculous for the Big Ten to make a big deal out of
it as being "insulting" ... though I do think it's a
bit erroneous.

Yeah, you're not going to see Michigan-OSU on the Big
Ten network, but there will still be quite a bit of
big games on there. As the Web site points out, they
will rotate picks with ESPN/ESPN2, so even though ABC
will get the first choice, there are weeks where the
#2 game will be on the Big Ten network. The conference
is deep enough that we've had multiple big games in a
week before -- both in hoops and on the gridiron --
and the network will have some major matchups (In
1996, I seem to remember Michigan-NU being on Big Ten
plus because ABC went with another game and ESPN and
ESPN2 had other obligations).

I read an interesting article online (forget where -
sorry) about how the Big Ten Network is looking at the
NFL Network as a guide. The NFLN may not have the
major game of the week either, but it has games that
are still big ones, and is growing rapidly. Also, I
remember ESPN putting the Duke-UNC hoops game on ESPN2
when that network was starting as a way of forcing the
cable companies to pick up the "Deuce" amid growing
requests from fans who wanted to see the game. What's
to stop the Big Ten from moving a couple big games
there in future years to force cable's hand.

It's all posturing, though. Comcast knows its
customers in the midwest will revolt if they can't see
Big Ten football and the politicians know that
rattling a few cages in press conferences will bump
'em up a few points and they won't really have to do
anything. It'll be solved by August.

But like you said, I have DirecTV, so I can just look
forward to all the great things I expect from this
network!:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Does anyone know if Fitz will get a coach's show
now because they'll likely be re-run on the BTN?

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jun 27 19:14:39 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jun 27 19:09:33 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
In-Reply-To: <000601c7b908$4aa9d6f0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <001301c7b919$51d234c0$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Since I live in the middle of ACC country and have Comcast as a provider, I durn
sure wish they'd get together. Anything congress touches turns to ***** and I'd
prefer they leave all of cable and broadcast alone, let the people decide with
their feet, I say.

I just wish they'd offer the games on the web as a ppv option - I can get a
decent picture on my computer and have purchased the gameplan internet package
in the past. I usually can see the picture well enough to get a good sense of
how we're playing, but I'd be hard pressed to buy both ESPN and Big 10 Network
just to see a couple of games.

Besides they'd probably black out NU's games in favor of State Penn....

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 6:13 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
> 
> 
> No sooner did I write about the Big Ten Network's greed in 
> demanding $1.10 from every cable subscriber in a Big Ten 
> state than the spit or other bodily excretion hit the 
> political fan.  Rep. John Dingell of Michigan is getting lots 
> of complaints from Wolverine fans that no cable company in 
> the state at this point plans to carry the network, thus 
> denying fans three televised Michigan games.  Dingell, who 
> apparently is not a Michigan State, Eastern Michigan, or 
> Western Michigan fan, has already talked with the Big Ten 
> commissioner.  Watch out!  Washington's involved.
> 
> Then there is the battle of political correctness between the 
> Big Ten and Comcast who dared call Iowa women's volleyball 
> "second tier," which, of course, is true, along with any 
> gender of college lacrosse, wrestling, track and field, 
> soccer, swimming, tiddlywinks, etc.  For that matter, so is 
> the Northwestern-Indiana football game (probably).  The Big 
> Ten Network is a niche channel that is very unlikely to ever 
> carry a sporting event of anything more than local or 
> specialized interest just like CSTV.  A buck-ten for one 
> channel of this nature is outrageous.  The odds are that most 
> cable companies will not be carrying the channel this season.
> 
> I also note that Congress may be very close to demanding a la 
> carte programming from cable and satellite providers, which 
> columnist Cal Thomas thinks is a bad idea because the 
> government should not be involved.  I tend to agree, but I 
> also smell monopolies at work.  (Cue Sen. John Sherman and 
> his famous act.)  The cable/satellite industry may fight back 
> with ridiculous pricing for individual channels or tiers.  
> Bring it on!  I got DirecTV. 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jun 27 20:07:54 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Jun 27 20:08:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
References: <001301c7b919$51d234c0$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <000501c7b920$c251eef0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

I haven't seen anything about the Big Ten Channel offering any high-def 
broadcasts.  Anyone hear anything? 

From AJWDBW at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 20:38:53 2007
From: AJWDBW at aol.com (AJWDBW@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 27 20:40:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
Message-ID: <c17.1996c42c.33b46b2d@aol.com>

There was an interesting, albeit lengthy, piece in the Minneapolis Star  
Tribune. It's focus is on the impact in Minnesota and the U of M football games  
but also paints a fairly informative picture of the situation. The link is  
_http://www.startribune.com/gophers/story/1261368.html_ 
(http://www.startribune.com/gophers/story/1261368.html) .
Don Williams C55
 
PS. A  pen and ink rendering I did of University Hall and which was  donated 
as a door prize at the NGN dinner this past April is for sale through  the 
Northwestern University Alumni web site. You can get information by going to  
_http://www.alumni.northwestern.edu/_ (http://www.alumni.northwestern.edu/)  and  
follow the prompts. Any profits I receive from the sales will be donated to 
the  Walker fund. 
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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Wed Jun 27 20:55:13 2007
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Wed Jun 27 20:55:50 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
In-Reply-To: <000501c7b920$c251eef0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
References: <001301c7b919$51d234c0$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>
	<000501c7b920$c251eef0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <d477ce9c0706271855o2b88874eq85a8ead70fa6d894@mail.gmail.com>

If they're talking about putting it on expanded basic cable I would assume
that it's not in HD.  Plus, this whole thing seems shoddily run and shoddily
organized.  Thus, probably beyond the capabilities of a shoddy organization
to do it using modern equipment (HD).

But then, I hope I'm wrong.

On 6/27/07, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> I haven't seen anything about the Big Ten Channel offering any high-def
> broadcasts.  Anyone hear anything?
>
>
From WildElk2 at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 21:10:25 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 27 21:10:48 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
Message-ID: <cfb.12091548.33b47291@aol.com>

History may prove me wrong, but when I heard games were being  moved from 
ESPN Plus channels to BTN, I said, "How much will this cost  me?"   
  There seems to be a huge disparity between BTN and most Cable  companies 
less than 3 months before kick-off.  Brilliant.  I agree  with Dennis; not only 
should Comcast tell BTN to stick it up their bippy;  but why is Congress even 
mentioned? Who watches what TV programs isn't in  Congress's job description; 
public pressure and money will determine who watches  what.
   I guess I'm old school.  I remember, very well, when 1)  The Cats were 
NEVER on TV 2) When they finally hit the airwaves in the early  90's, it was once 
or twice a season. 3) Internet feed? Before 1996 when I got a  newfangld 
compooter, I would listen to Cat night games in my car in front of my  house on 
WBBM or WGN. We all can catch Eanet and Albrecht and put Gametracker on  if 
neccessary.
   So until things are worked out, we'll all survive.  
   Camp Kenosha can't come soon  enough!                     GO CATS!!!       
   Eric    York, Pa. Cat



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From WildElk2 at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 21:18:27 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 27 21:18:32 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Mike
Message-ID: <d10.e00ca66.33b47473@aol.com>

Mr. Nolan,
 
  Are you there? I haven't seen you post for awile.     ek



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From johnl at mac.com  Wed Jun 27 21:22:36 2007
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Wed Jun 27 21:22:42 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
In-Reply-To: <d477ce9c0706271855o2b88874eq85a8ead70fa6d894@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001301c7b919$51d234c0$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>
	<000501c7b920$c251eef0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
	<d477ce9c0706271855o2b88874eq85a8ead70fa6d894@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79e8d9584f61ed5d75c5721c4f2d631f@mac.com>

Actually, I had heard that many of the games would be broadcast in HD.

See the fifth paragraph of this article:
http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/061907aab.html

Now, beggars, of course, can't be choosers, so if you're lucky enough 
to actually get the station, you may or may not be fortunate enough to 
get the HD feed, as well.  I haven't researched this any further.

John


On Jun 27, 2007, at 8:55 PM, Jonathan Michael Hawkins wrote:

> If they're talking about putting it on expanded basic cable I would 
> assume
> that it's not in HD.  Plus, this whole thing seems shoddily run and 
> shoddily
> organized.  Thus, probably beyond the capabilities of a shoddy 
> organization
> to do it using modern equipment (HD).
>
> But then, I hope I'm wrong.
>
> On 6/27/07, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> I haven't seen anything about the Big Ten Channel offering any 
>> high-def
>> broadcasts.  Anyone hear anything?
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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>

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 27 22:57:19 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jun 27 22:58:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
In-Reply-To: <000501c7b920$c251eef0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <20070628035719.40945.qmail@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> I haven't seen anything about the Big Ten Channel
> offering any high-def 
> broadcasts.  Anyone hear anything? 

Actually, according to the Big Ten Network site
(http://www.bigtennetwork.com), more than 350 hours of
programming, plus the live nightly studio show, will
be in HD.

They also mentioned Internet streaming of games on the
site, Roy.

And they said that coaches shows will be shown on the
network, so I hope NU can get in the game with Fitz
and Carmody on the air somehow (maybe have one of the
journalism outlets on campus produce it if there are
no takers in Chicagoland?).

I dunno why more people on the list aren't
enthusiastic about this - it's going to be in the
basic programming package on DirecTV, so it seems to
me the other cable companies are the ones deserving of
the ire for dragging their feet. Overall, it will get
more NU football and basketball games on the air and
more chances to see other sports (like our softball or
LAX teams) for Cats fans who can't always make it to
Evanston. Plus, I'm curious to see what NU does for
the hours of school programming each campus is
responsible for - hope we showcase some of our
non-sports students and talents as well.

I think this is win-win all around for Cats fans. Like
I said, I think the sabre rattling between Comcast,
Congress and everyone else will be resolved by August.
And if not, by September after half of their midwest
customers buy dishes.:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From spiritu at northwestern.edu  Wed Jun 27 23:03:01 2007
From: spiritu at northwestern.edu (Jonathan Michael Hawkins)
Date: Wed Jun 27 23:03:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
In-Reply-To: <79e8d9584f61ed5d75c5721c4f2d631f@mac.com>
References: <001301c7b919$51d234c0$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>
	<000501c7b920$c251eef0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
	<d477ce9c0706271855o2b88874eq85a8ead70fa6d894@mail.gmail.com>
	<79e8d9584f61ed5d75c5721c4f2d631f@mac.com>
Message-ID: <d477ce9c0706272103qd280ce5vffb783ca2ff77dd3@mail.gmail.com>

I stand corrected.  How grand! Here's hoping the B10 folks can get Comcast
and RCN to carry it here in Chicago.

On 6/27/07, John Labbe <johnl@mac.com> wrote:
>
> Actually, I had heard that many of the games would be broadcast in HD.
>
> See the fifth paragraph of this article:
> http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/061907aab.html
>
> Now, beggars, of course, can't be choosers, so if you're lucky enough
> to actually get the station, you may or may not be fortunate enough to
> get the HD feed, as well.  I haven't researched this any further.
>
> John
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2007, at 8:55 PM, Jonathan Michael Hawkins wrote:
>
> > If they're talking about putting it on expanded basic cable I would
> > assume
> > that it's not in HD.  Plus, this whole thing seems shoddily run and
> > shoddily
> > organized.  Thus, probably beyond the capabilities of a shoddy
> > organization
> > to do it using modern equipment (HD).
> >
> > But then, I hope I'm wrong.
> >
> > On 6/27/07, Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> I haven't seen anything about the Big Ten Channel offering any
> >> high-def
> >> broadcasts.  Anyone hear anything?
> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> >
>
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>
From thiegs at umn.edu  Wed Jun 27 23:46:37 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Wed Jun 27 23:47:09 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
In-Reply-To: <c17.1996c42c.33b46b2d@aol.com>
References: <c17.1996c42c.33b46b2d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c7b93f$50950490$0400a8c0@mnfound.umn.edu>

I, for one, am very excited about the Big Ten Network.  Of course, the
question for me is, "Will Dish Network carry it?"  I was at an event tonight
at which I had the opportunity to chat with an actual Big Ten Network
employee, and I was pleased to hear that it sounds like Dish Network and the
Big Ten Network are close to a deal.  She acknowledged that Comcast is a
more difficult situation.  However, I blame Comcast rather than the Big Ten.
A year and a half ago I switched from cable (then Time-Warner, since merged
with Comcast) after nine years of cable service because I had felt for some
time that they charged way too much for what I was getting, particularly
compared with the satellite providers.  I got sick of trying to re-up and
roll over promotional deals.  We were worried about whether the service
would compare with cable, and our worries were completely unfounded.  I
haven't regretted it a moment, with one significant exception:  I can't get
the local cable access channels on satellite.  I have that particular brand
of eccentricity (my wife thinks insanity) that makes me really like a lot of
those programs, but that's an issue for very few people.  It's been worth it
even having had to give those up.  -Joe

P.S.  Don -- What beautiful artwork!


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of AJWDBW@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:39 PM
To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster

There was an interesting, albeit lengthy, piece in the Minneapolis Star  
Tribune. It's focus is on the impact in Minnesota and the U of M football
games  
but also paints a fairly informative picture of the situation. The link is  
_http://www.startribune.com/gophers/story/1261368.html_ 
(http://www.startribune.com/gophers/story/1261368.html) .
Don Williams C55
 
PS. A  pen and ink rendering I did of University Hall and which was  donated

as a door prize at the NGN dinner this past April is for sale through  the 
Northwestern University Alumni web site. You can get information by going to

_http://www.alumni.northwestern.edu/_ (http://www.alumni.northwestern.edu/)
and  
follow the prompts. Any profits I receive from the sales will be donated to 
the  Walker fund. 
Don



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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Jun 27 23:55:50 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Jun 27 23:56:20 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
In-Reply-To: <20070628035719.40945.qmail@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com> from
	"SjT \(Stephen J. Truog\)" at Jun 27, 2007 08:57:19 PM
Message-ID: <200706280455.l5S4trvq026896@romaine.tssi.com>

> I dunno why more people on the list aren't
> enthusiastic about this - it's going to be in the
> basic programming package on DirecTV, so it seems to
> me the other cable companies are the ones deserving of
> the ire for dragging their feet. 

DirecTV is _not_ a cable company, it's a satellite company.

Those of us who don't live within shouting distance of Big 10 country 
(at least half of the subscribers to this list) don't stand a ghost of 
a chance of the BTN being available on our cable companies.  

Heck, our cable company (TimeWarner) just finally added ESPNU, 2 years
after they first promised it was coming 'soon'.  Of course, given the 
jerk-around our cable company has given us the last half year with their 
near-daily 'upgrading' of our cable box software to fix one problem
while breaking two more things and messing further with our TIVO (all of 
which has finally attracted the attention of our City Council and Cable
Advisory Board), this could give me an excuse to ditch TW, or at least 
scale down to a lower tier of service.  

I might have to do some rewiring to handle both satellite and cable, but
fortunately during construction we pulled two or more cable lines to 
about 20 places around the house, anywhere we thought we might want to 
have an A/V unit at some point in the future.

I had already decided I wasn't going to get ESPN Game Plan this season 
after the crappy service (and diminished schedule) they had last year, 
so maybe I'll just stick with WGN's webcasts this fall.  

In general, I think sports fans are getting lousy treatment from our 
money hungry teams, college and pro.  I can't remember the last time I 
watched a Cubs game on WGN, since it seems so few of them are on anymore.  

I'm still not paying $29.95 to watch Nebraska beat up their non-conference 
creampuffs.  (The only really good game on the entire schedule is against 
USC, and I expect the Huskers will find a way to lose that one 
embarassingly.)
--
Mike Nolan

PS.  Yeah, I'm here, I'm just incredibly busy these days.

From wseliger at aol.com  Wed Jun 27 23:57:33 2007
From: wseliger at aol.com (wseliger@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jun 27 23:57:47 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
In-Reply-To: <20070628035719.40945.qmail@web52902.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8C98757F9514B24-1C58-2FD5@webmail-db18.sysops.aol.com>

I've already been to two campus concerts that were taped for the BTN (SWE performing Stravinsky's Symphony of Psalms at Pick and if I recall correctly the birthday concert at Alice Millar).? 

They were both great concerts and I'm really looking forward to seeing them on the TV.


- Bill Seliger, CPIM, CSCP
wseliger@aol.com


-----Original Message-----
From: SjT (Stephen J. Truog) <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
To: Dennis W. Brandt <tbng@comcast.net>; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 10:57 pm
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster



<snip>

Plus, I'm curious to see what NU does for
the hours of school programming each campus is
responsible for - hope we showcase some of our
non-sports students and talents as well.

<snip>
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 28 00:24:00 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Jun 28 00:24:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
In-Reply-To: <200706280455.l5S4trvq026896@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <689327.18416.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> > me the other cable companies are the ones
> deserving of
> > the ire for dragging their feet. 
> 
> DirecTV is _not_ a cable company, it's a satellite
> company.

Oops - sorry. I meant to say AT&T cable as well as
DirecTV.

Also, great news about the concerts filmed for the
BTN. Think of all the NU student work - musical,
theatre, journalism efforts, updates on various
schools, etc. - that we could put during our alloted
campus time. Heck, NBC Thursday night was practically
a post-grad branch of NU for a long time, so there's
some promising talent there!:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jun 28 08:11:35 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jun 28 08:12:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
References: <c17.1996c42c.33b46b2d@aol.com>
	<000b01c7b93f$50950490$0400a8c0@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <002301c7b985$db5fb520$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

I'm glad the channel is coming on the air, too.  But why must they demand an 
exorbitant amount from every subscriber?  I don't care that they want a 
larger advertising base.  That's their problem.  Wouldn't it be nice if I 
could force every library patron to buy my book as a condition of using the 
library?  Nice for me, that is.  (Hm-m-m-m)

The fact is, unless the local team is on the air, only a minority of TVs 
will be tuned to the Big 10 Channel, and it will be far from unanimous even 
when the local guys are playing.  Comcast is perfectly right (although they 
tried to inflict the same injury on our cable system with their own 
Philadelphia sports station).  The simple fact is that cable/satellite 
companies cannot continue to increase prices to add niche channels because 
their clients are sick of paying more and more for channels of increasingly 
narrow interest.  At some point the industry has to realize that the more 
channels you add, the less any one of them will be watched.  Let those who 
want these specialized channels pay for them.  (My bet is that Washington 
will soon require it.)  I am also concerned that I may frequently miss an NU 
game because they are is scheduled simultaneously with a Penn State game, 
which will always be the trump team in my neck of the woods.  Taped delay 
without "we move to further action" would be acceptable.  Even better would 
be allowing local channels to carry the Penn State game and keep Big 10 as 
an out-of-market channel.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Thiegs" <thiegs@umn.edu>
To: <AJWDBW@aol.com>; <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>; <tbng@comcast.net>; 
<nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:46 AM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster


> I, for one, am very excited about the Big Ten Network.  Of course, the
> question for me is, "Will Dish Network carry it?"  I was at an event 
> tonight
> at which I had the opportunity to chat with an actual Big Ten Network
> employee, and I was pleased to hear that it sounds like Dish Network and 
> the
> Big Ten Network are close to a deal.  She acknowledged that Comcast is a
> more difficult situation.  However, I blame Comcast rather than the Big 
> Ten.
> A year and a half ago I switched from cable (then Time-Warner, since 
> merged
> with Comcast) after nine years of cable service because I had felt for 
> some
> time that they charged way too much for what I was getting, particularly
> compared with the satellite providers.  I got sick of trying to re-up and
> roll over promotional deals.  We were worried about whether the service
> would compare with cable, and our worries were completely unfounded.  I
> haven't regretted it a moment, with one significant exception:  I can't 
> get
> the local cable access channels on satellite.  I have that particular 
> brand
> of eccentricity (my wife thinks insanity) that makes me really like a lot 
> of
> those programs, but that's an issue for very few people.  It's been worth 
> it
> even having had to give those up.  -Joe
>
> P.S.  Don -- What beautiful artwork!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of AJWDBW@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:39 PM
> To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
>
> There was an interesting, albeit lengthy, piece in the Minneapolis Star
> Tribune. It's focus is on the impact in Minnesota and the U of M football
> games
> but also paints a fairly informative picture of the situation. The link is
> _http://www.startribune.com/gophers/story/1261368.html_
> (http://www.startribune.com/gophers/story/1261368.html) .
> Don Williams C55
>
> PS. A  pen and ink rendering I did of University Hall and which was 
> donated
>
> as a door prize at the NGN dinner this past April is for sale through  the
> Northwestern University Alumni web site. You can get information by going 
> to
>
> _http://www.alumni.northwestern.edu/_ 
> (http://www.alumni.northwestern.edu/)
> and
> follow the prompts. Any profits I receive from the sales will be donated 
> to
> the  Walker fund.
> Don
>
>
>
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From jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com  Thu Jun 28 08:58:45 2007
From: jeff.beamsley at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Thu Jun 28 09:00:09 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
In-Reply-To: <002301c7b985$db5fb520$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
References: <c17.1996c42c.33b46b2d@aol.com><000b01c7b93f$50950490$0400a8c0@mnfound.umn.edu>
	<002301c7b985$db5fb520$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <4B7B2D00D59EFB4BAF0FAAE7D5B14E0C8E4CF9@exchange-prod.hilgraeve.com>

As others have said, this is a "vote with your feet" issue.

I'm not a big fan of our cable company either (Comcast), but I do buy their
phone service and their high-speed internet service as well as their cable
because it is a better deal than the phone company offered.

IMHO the cable companies are in a "maximize profit" mode because they know
that eventually this is all going to move to distribution over the Internet
and their business model is going to depend on their ability to lock up
content rather than charge for the delivery pipe.

Jeff




-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:12 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster

I'm glad the channel is coming on the air, too.  But why must they demand an
exorbitant amount from every subscriber?  I don't care that they want a
larger advertising base.  That's their problem.  Wouldn't it be nice if I
could force every library patron to buy my book as a condition of using the
library?  Nice for me, that is.  (Hm-m-m-m)

The fact is, unless the local team is on the air, only a minority of TVs will
be tuned to the Big 10 Channel, and it will be far from unanimous even when
the local guys are playing.  Comcast is perfectly right (although they tried
to inflict the same injury on our cable system with their own Philadelphia
sports station).  The simple fact is that cable/satellite companies cannot
continue to increase prices to add niche channels because their clients are
sick of paying more and more for channels of increasingly narrow interest.
At some point the industry has to realize that the more channels you add, the
less any one of them will be watched.  Let those who want these specialized
channels pay for them.  (My bet is that Washington will soon require it.)  I
am also concerned that I may frequently miss an NU game because they are is
scheduled simultaneously with a Penn State game, which will always be the
trump team in my neck of the woods.  Taped delay without "we move to further
action" would be acceptable.  Even better would be allowing local channels to
carry the Penn State game and keep Big 10 as an out-of-market channel.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Thiegs" <thiegs@umn.edu>
To: <AJWDBW@aol.com>; <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>; <tbng@comcast.net>;
<nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:46 AM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster


> I, for one, am very excited about the Big Ten Network.  Of course, the 
> question for me is, "Will Dish Network carry it?"  I was at an event 
> tonight at which I had the opportunity to chat with an actual Big Ten 
> Network employee, and I was pleased to hear that it sounds like Dish 
> Network and the Big Ten Network are close to a deal.  She acknowledged 
> that Comcast is a more difficult situation.  However, I blame Comcast 
> rather than the Big Ten.
> A year and a half ago I switched from cable (then Time-Warner, since 
> merged with Comcast) after nine years of cable service because I had 
> felt for some time that they charged way too much for what I was 
> getting, particularly compared with the satellite providers.  I got 
> sick of trying to re-up and roll over promotional deals.  We were 
> worried about whether the service would compare with cable, and our 
> worries were completely unfounded.  I haven't regretted it a moment, 
> with one significant exception:  I can't get the local cable access 
> channels on satellite.  I have that particular brand of eccentricity 
> (my wife thinks insanity) that makes me really like a lot of those 
> programs, but that's an issue for very few people.  It's been worth it 
> even having had to give those up.  -Joe
>
> P.S.  Don -- What beautiful artwork!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] 
> On Behalf Of AJWDBW@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 8:39 PM
> To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The Big 10 monster
>
> There was an interesting, albeit lengthy, piece in the Minneapolis 
> Star Tribune. It's focus is on the impact in Minnesota and the U of M 
> football games but also paints a fairly informative picture of the 
> situation. The link is 
> _http://www.startribune.com/gophers/story/1261368.html_
> (http://www.startribune.com/gophers/story/1261368.html) .
> Don Williams C55
>
> PS. A  pen and ink rendering I did of University Hall and which was 
> donated
>
> as a door prize at the NGN dinner this past April is for sale through  
> the Northwestern University Alumni web site. You can get information 
> by going to
>
> _http://www.alumni.northwestern.edu/_
> (http://www.alumni.northwestern.edu/)
> and
> follow the prompts. Any profits I receive from the sales will be 
> donated to the  Walker fund.
> Don
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at 
> http://www.aol.com.
> _______________________________________________
> nwu-sports site list
> nwu-sports@tssi.com
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
> 

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sat Jun 30 12:09:42 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sat Jun 30 12:09:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Possible outage alert for NWU Sports List
Message-ID: <200706301709.l5UH9g8r003697@romaine.tssi.com>

After having procrastinated the task about as long as I could, I am
finally making some hardware changes on my firewall/email/news server 
system.

While I hope this will be a largely seamless and invisible change, I've
got a lot of reconfiguration to do, most of which I have not done in
at least 7 years, so I've got a lot of catch-up work to do learning
how to work with the latest firewall configuration tools in Linux.

As a result, if you see some odd bounce messages for NWU Sports List 
messages in the next few days, just wait a few hours and try again, please.
--
Mike Nolan

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sat Jun 30 18:09:04 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jun 30 18:09:57 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] # 74 bad. # 79 good
Message-ID: <d42.c2fc19b.33b83c90@aol.com>

Were we the other team in the "win one for the gipper" game?
 
_http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/features/the100?index=1_ 
(http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/features/the100?index=1) 



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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 30 18:23:19 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sat Jun 30 18:23:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] # 74 bad. # 79 good
In-Reply-To: <d42.c2fc19b.33b83c90@aol.com>
References: <d42.c2fc19b.33b83c90@aol.com>
Message-ID: <4686E5E7.8000102@earthlink.net>

Rockne supposedly said those words years after Gipp died, at halftime of 
the 1928 Notre Dame-Army game.

http://archives.nd.edu/rockne/speech.html


MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:
> Were we the other team in the "win one for the gipper" game?
>  
> _http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/features/the100?index=1_ 
> (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/features/the100?index=1) 
>
>
>
> ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
> _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com
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>
>
>   

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 30 20:11:00 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jun 30 20:11:19 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] # 74 bad. # 79 good
In-Reply-To: <d42.c2fc19b.33b83c90@aol.com>
Message-ID: <424657.89073.qm@web52907.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

79 seems a bit low ... maybe because it didn't have
the happy ending in Pasadena?

Still, hard to see some others ahead of the Purple to
Pasadena. Maybe they should have taken the 17-15 game
at ND as the moment. That really was a turning point
game - not just for NU and the rest of the "little
guys" ... but for ND's invincibility under Lou Holtz.
Just a couple years before, they were essentially
national champions and now they were beaten soundly at
home by a 28-point underdog no-name.

And no 2000 Michigan game? Yeah, there were other
high-scoring shootouts, but that one really seems to
be remembered by most nationwide as the arrival of the
spread craze and points-happy football.

But always fun to look at these lists and relive
college football memories. Tough to pick between those
top two! And, of course, it means that football season
is getting close!!!:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


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