From ddave at nusports.com  Mon Jul  2 07:37:10 2007
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Mon Jul  2 07:37:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] # 74 bad. # 79 good
Message-ID: <20070702053710.7639CE4C@resin15.mta.everyone.net>

Coincidentally, George Gipp's final game was against Northwestern, a 33-7 victory for the Irish.  Shortly thereafter, he was named ND's first All-American......

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From: Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] # 74 bad. # 79 good
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:23:19 -0700

Rockne supposedly said those words years after Gipp died, at halftime of 
the 1928 Notre Dame-Army game.

http://archives.nd.edu/rockne/speech.html


MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:
> Were we the other team in the "win one for the gipper" game?
>  
> _http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/features/the100?index=1_ 
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From ddave at nusports.com  Mon Jul  2 07:54:17 2007
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Mon Jul  2 07:54:47 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] # 74 bad. # 79 good
Message-ID: <20070702055417.7639C856@resin15.mta.everyone.net>

(Oops. I didn't realize the info about George/ND vs. NU was included in #74. Sorry)

db


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From: "dave bradley" <ddave@nusports.com>
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] # 74 bad. # 79 good
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 05:37:10 -0700

Coincidentally, George Gipp's final game was against Northwestern, a 33-7 victory for the Irish.  Shortly thereafter, he was named ND's first All-American......

dave bradley
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From: Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] # 74 bad. # 79 good
Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2007 16:23:19 -0700

Rockne supposedly said those words years after Gipp died, at halftime of 
the 1928 Notre Dame-Army game.

http://archives.nd.edu/rockne/speech.html


MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:
> Were we the other team in the "win one for the gipper" game?
>  
> _http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/features/the100?index=1_ 
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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Jul  4 08:02:04 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Jul  4 08:02:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Happy July 4th
Message-ID: <200707041302.l64D24Ow016792@romaine.tssi.com>

Haven't seen much traffic since I upgraded the mail server, so Happy Fourth
of July, everyone.
--
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jul  5 10:43:05 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jul  5 10:39:11 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 7/3
Message-ID: <003801c7bf1b$2e6965f0$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=656212

rsl

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jul  5 10:48:20 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jul  5 10:44:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 7/5
Message-ID: <003901c7bf1b$ea936960$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>

More news coming now...Alumni reports, previews of Big 10 Teams, and of course
recruiting...

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=656212

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======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All ===========
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jul 12 15:29:44 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jul 12 15:24:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 7/12
Message-ID: <000401c7c4c3$62a8e090$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>

http://northwestern.scout.com/2/658212.html

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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jul 12 15:57:29 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jul 12 15:57:29 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest 7/12
References: <000401c7c4c3$62a8e090$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <000401c7c4c7$43114610$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Someone should tell Will Cinelli that a "bowl birth" means that some lady 
went into labor at the stadium in Pasadena.  Made those kind of mistakes 
myself, Will. 

From WildElk2 at aol.com  Thu Jul 12 21:34:33 2007
From: WildElk2 at aol.com (WildElk2@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jul 12 21:37:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Gleanings
Message-ID: <d45.d7099c2.33c83eb9@aol.com>

I wanted to pass this on; reports from Cat watchers say that  PF did a nice 
interview on TV, and cited Thiry and Rees as important members of  our 
offensive line. There's been scuttlebutt to suggest that Thiry has some  sort of minor 
injury, and the news about Rees is refreshing. 
  You know, that since GB was here, we could always recruit  linebackers, 
offensive linemen and running backs, and had trouble recruiting  defensive backs, 
defensive linemen and receivers.   So what happens?  If you believe the 
annuals, we're short at linebackers, O-Line and running  backs(save Sutton) !
   My theory is that we're deeper than "the experts" think we are  on our 
offensive line.  Walk did a terrific job replenishing the pipe line  on the 
O-Line.  I agree with the contention that we may be short-handed at  line backer.  
Losing McGarigle and Roach the past 2 seasons is tough.   RB isn't too bad; 
Roberson is this year's Terrell Jordan; he should see plenty  of snaps backing 
up Sutton.
   Another "nugget" picked up was PF cited Brad Phillips as  pushing 
McPhearson for playing time.  A good problem, as we've got a little  depth for a 
change.
   Without giving a full-blown analysis ,  I believe we're  ready to "turn 
the tables" on a few people this year.  The first test will  be vs. Nevada; one 
of  2 teams we gave the game to last season .  This  is a good year to finally 
have a schedule that isn't one of the best in the  country; when's the last 
time that happened?  IF we stay reasonably  healthy, we'll go 8-4, maybe 
better.  I shouldn't say this, but I feel it's  warranted, if we stay reasonably 
healthy and finish with a losing record (5-7 or  worse) ,  there are serious 
problems  
   Think about it:
Northeastern :W  Nevada: toss up Duke:W  E.Mich: W  Big  Ten:  OSU and Mich. 
probable (but not certain) losses.  
   So then we have:  Minnesota? Please!  They will  suck; what a mistake 
letting Mason go. Fools.  A win.
Mich St.  down year for Sparty; as we all know we should have won last  year. 
A win
  Purdue. T iller has always been a pain in our ass.  OK, a  loss.
  Indiana: Pains of transition; a win for the Cats.   Illinois.  We play 
smarter; for a change this may pit both teams playing  for a bowl. A nice change 
of pace.  A toss up
   Iowa:  How I love it; we'll go 7-4 in our last 11 vs.  Bumble Bees; don't 
believe the annuals; they are average.
  So by my calculations,  we will win 7 games; 2 more are a  toss-up, and 3 I 
see as losses.  Gotta go.  GO  CATS!!             Eric
 



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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jul 12 22:17:31 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jul 12 22:12:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Our golfers...and links to their scorecards
Message-ID: <001801c7c4fc$5a33dee0$6501a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Luke Donald is at the Barclay's Scottish Open
http://scores.europeantour.com/default.sps?pagegid={8455C601-B598-43F0-AE27-8559
DC7985DD}&eventid=2007058&iPlayerNo=30357&id=30357&TourID=@TourId&infosid=2

Jess Dailey is at the Nationwide Children's Hospital Invite
http://www.pgatour.com/players/02/49/37/scorecards/2007/h094.html

Tom Johnson is in the Quad Cities at the John Deere Classic
http://www.pgatour.com/players/01/21/95/scorecards/2007/r030.html

After the first round, all look to be in a good position to make the cut....

rsl


From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Fri Jul 13 05:51:54 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Fri Jul 13 05:51:20 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Gleanings
In-Reply-To: <d45.d7099c2.33c83eb9@aol.com>
References: <d45.d7099c2.33c83eb9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270707130351m55991556m9b5d0da1fe545a4@mail.gmail.com>

It's great to hear that Fitz did a nice job on TV (unfortunately I was
driving and forgot to set the DVR - will there be a replay?).

This year the 'Cats do seem to be deeper than the past couple of years
- particularly on the D line and the secondary - areas that have been
historically weak for NU over the last decade or so.  It will be
exciting if the defense continues to make strides and lives up to its
potential - something I think Fitz will expect.

The biggest question (besides the special teams which will feature a
brand new kicker/punter combo) will be can the offense use the end of
last season as a starting point and get better from there.  The QB
situation was an obvious cause for the first half of the season's
offensive failures, but we shall see if the relatively inexperienced
WR corps can form an effective battery with Bacher and give Sutton the
room he needs to roam free.  Getting the confirmation that Rees and
Thiry will be there despite recent rumors definitely eases my mind
since those are probably the 2 most important guys on the OL.

Regarding schedule, it is firmly my opinion that the 'Cats should win
at least 6 games or Fitz and Murphy have some serious thinking to do
(about the future of certain asst. coaches).  There's a strong chance
for 7 wins and a small chance for 8.  Anything above that would be
extraordinary.  The three gimme games (not that NU shouldn't get ready
for them big time) are Northeastern, Duke, and EMU.  Games NU should
win include: Minnesota, MSU, and Indiana.  Games NU has the change of
winning (but not a great chance) include Nevada, Illinois, Purdue, and
Iowa.  And the upper echelon would be, of course, OSU and Michigan.

IMHO, the turning point games are at MSU and vs. Minnesota - both
middle to lower tier B10 teams looking to turn it around.  Winning
these games would give NU the chance to move into the middle or even
upper tier of the B10, while losing would mean fighting for a bowl
berth.

Of course only time will tell.  Go 'Cats!!!

Jonathan

On 7/12/07, WildElk2@aol.com <WildElk2@aol.com> wrote:
> I wanted to pass this on; reports from Cat watchers say that  PF did a nice
> interview on TV, and cited Thiry and Rees as important members of  our
> offensive line. There's been scuttlebutt to suggest that Thiry has some  sort of minor
> injury, and the news about Rees is refreshing.
>   You know, that since GB was here, we could always recruit  linebackers,
> offensive linemen and running backs, and had trouble recruiting  defensive backs,
> defensive linemen and receivers.   So what happens?  If you believe the
> annuals, we're short at linebackers, O-Line and running  backs(save Sutton) !
>    My theory is that we're deeper than "the experts" think we are  on our
> offensive line.  Walk did a terrific job replenishing the pipe line  on the
> O-Line.  I agree with the contention that we may be short-handed at  line backer.
> Losing McGarigle and Roach the past 2 seasons is tough.   RB isn't too bad;
> Roberson is this year's Terrell Jordan; he should see plenty  of snaps backing
> up Sutton.
>    Another "nugget" picked up was PF cited Brad Phillips as  pushing
> McPhearson for playing time.  A good problem, as we've got a little  depth for a
> change.
>    Without giving a full-blown analysis ,  I believe we're  ready to "turn
> the tables" on a few people this year.  The first test will  be vs. Nevada; one
> of  2 teams we gave the game to last season .  This  is a good year to finally
> have a schedule that isn't one of the best in the  country; when's the last
> time that happened?  IF we stay reasonably  healthy, we'll go 8-4, maybe
> better.  I shouldn't say this, but I feel it's  warranted, if we stay reasonably
> healthy and finish with a losing record (5-7 or  worse) ,  there are serious
> problems
>    Think about it:
> Northeastern :W  Nevada: toss up Duke:W  E.Mich: W  Big  Ten:  OSU and Mich.
> probable (but not certain) losses.
>    So then we have:  Minnesota? Please!  They will  suck; what a mistake
> letting Mason go. Fools.  A win.
> Mich St.  down year for Sparty; as we all know we should have won last  year.
> A win
>   Purdue. T iller has always been a pain in our ass.  OK, a  loss.
>   Indiana: Pains of transition; a win for the Cats.   Illinois.  We play
> smarter; for a change this may pit both teams playing  for a bowl. A nice change
> of pace.  A toss up
>    Iowa:  How I love it; we'll go 7-4 in our last 11 vs.  Bumble Bees; don't
> believe the annuals; they are average.
>   So by my calculations,  we will win 7 games; 2 more are a  toss-up, and 3 I
> see as losses.  Gotta go.  GO  CATS!!             Eric
>
>
>
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 18:14:43 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Fri Jul 13 18:13:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] a little wacky mid-summer CFB info!
Message-ID: <257282.44858.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

from Phil Steele's overflowing-with-info preview mag.
Enjoy!

Indiana is 1-25 in the last 26 games in the week
before they play Purdue (that's NU this year -- good!)

Michigan and Ohio State have identical 18-20 bowl
records.

Only BT teams with over-.500 bowl marks: Penn State
(25-12-1l; JoePa is 22-10-1), Iowa (11-10-1), and
Bucky
(10-8)

Number of non-league wins vs. BCS leagues for the MAC
in 2006: 5. For the ACC: 4. Ouch.

Wake-NC State is ACC's most-played rivalry (100 games)

Only Big Ten team winless against another Big Ten
team: Indiana (0-10) vs. Penn State

Oklahoma leads the all-time series with Iowa State
66-5-2. OU's 77-17-7 series with Oklahoma State is
most lopsided in-state D-1 rivalry.

Michigan is 24-1 in last 25 BT openers (this year:
Penn State)

UW has never beaten Michigan in consecutive games in
Madison.

Ohio State has beaten NU by 18 or more points every
game in Columbus since 1981.

Last time Ohio State lost to a current D-1 in-state
team: 1897

Ferentz is 5-0 in last five vs. JoePa.

Joe Tiller vs. NU, Indiana, MSU and Minny: 31-5

Last Perdoo win at Michigan: 1966

Illinois is 1-15 in last 16 BT road games and 1-16 in
last 17 BT home games, 1-10 anywhere in November and
3-10 in its last 13 Homecomings. (this year's is Ball
State, so ...)

Michigan State has won five straight games at Notre
Dame!

Did you know MSU and Indiana play for the Old Brass
Spittoon? (MSU leads series 38-12-1)

Poor old Joe, or why hasn't Northern Illinois won more
MAC crowns: Toledo has won 12 of last 13 vs. NIU. 

About another six weeks ... kickoff!!!!

bw






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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 13 18:21:39 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Fri Jul 13 18:20:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] a little wacky mid-summer CFB info!
In-Reply-To: <257282.44858.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <257282.44858.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46980903.5060800@earthlink.net>

Here's one of my favorites:

All-time series record, Oklahoma vs. Northwestern:

Oklahoma:  1 win
Northwestern:  3 wins



Brad Wilson wrote:
> from Phil Steele's overflowing-with-info preview mag.
> Enjoy!
>
> Indiana is 1-25 in the last 26 games in the week
> before they play Purdue (that's NU this year -- good!)
>
> Michigan and Ohio State have identical 18-20 bowl
> records.
>
> Only BT teams with over-.500 bowl marks: Penn State
> (25-12-1l; JoePa is 22-10-1), Iowa (11-10-1), and
> Bucky
> (10-8)
>
> Number of non-league wins vs. BCS leagues for the MAC
> in 2006: 5. For the ACC: 4. Ouch.
>
> Wake-NC State is ACC's most-played rivalry (100 games)
>
> Only Big Ten team winless against another Big Ten
> team: Indiana (0-10) vs. Penn State
>
> Oklahoma leads the all-time series with Iowa State
> 66-5-2. OU's 77-17-7 series with Oklahoma State is
> most lopsided in-state D-1 rivalry.
>
> Michigan is 24-1 in last 25 BT openers (this year:
> Penn State)
>
> UW has never beaten Michigan in consecutive games in
> Madison.
>
> Ohio State has beaten NU by 18 or more points every
> game in Columbus since 1981.
>
> Last time Ohio State lost to a current D-1 in-state
> team: 1897
>
> Ferentz is 5-0 in last five vs. JoePa.
>
> Joe Tiller vs. NU, Indiana, MSU and Minny: 31-5
>
> Last Perdoo win at Michigan: 1966
>
> Illinois is 1-15 in last 16 BT road games and 1-16 in
> last 17 BT home games, 1-10 anywhere in November and
> 3-10 in its last 13 Homecomings. (this year's is Ball
> State, so ...)
>
> Michigan State has won five straight games at Notre
> Dame!
>
> Did you know MSU and Indiana play for the Old Brass
> Spittoon? (MSU leads series 38-12-1)
>
> Poor old Joe, or why hasn't Northern Illinois won more
> MAC crowns: Toledo has won 12 of last 13 vs. NIU. 
>
> About another six weeks ... kickoff!!!!
>
> bw
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 13 23:54:06 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Fri Jul 13 23:53:20 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] re: gleanings
Message-ID: <355957.10334.qm@web51303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

About where I am now, Eric. I think this could be a
dandy season. Might have the best DL we have had since
2000, and many are high on Kadela and Simpson at LB.

I will be most interested to hear how the
kickers/punters are progressing. In a season where we
will have so many winnable games we will need
especially strong special teams.

Reading through the guides I think Iowa and Illinois
are overrated and Perdoo and Wisconsin underrated.

bw

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From thiegs at umn.edu  Tue Jul 17 15:44:15 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Tue Jul 17 15:47:05 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] "Plus-1" Inevitable?
Message-ID: <006901c7c8b3$3d8fe490$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

In an attempt to avoid talking about the awful college-football-related news
out of the Twin Cities the last day or so, I thought I'd offer this
interesting article from today's New York Post:
 
A Football Final Four:  NCAA Could Have 'Semifinals' By 2011
http://www.nypost.com/seven/07172007/sports/a_football_final_four_sports_len
n_robbins.htm
 
I've long thought this to be the best compromise if preservation of
long-standing bowl tradition is deemed important.  I suppose you could go to
a field of eight with the Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Fiesta Bowls serving as
the quarterfinals.  That would hurt the conference tie-ins more than the
plus-one format, though, if the match-ups were done on a seeded basis.  In
that case, say farewell to the Big Ten/Pac 10 Rose Bowl tradition for good
(OTOH, that tradition can get messed up in at least three scenarios as it
is:  (1) Big Ten team in the national championship game and no other Big Ten
qualifies for a BCS berth (or isn't chosen for the Rose Bowl); (2) Pac 10
team in the national championship game and no other Pac 10 team qualifies
for a BCS berth (or isn't chosen for the Rose Bowl); (3) Rose Bowl is the
national championship game and one or more of the 1 and 2 teams are not from
the Big Ten or Pac 10.)  Still, I think making the existing BCS bowls the
quarterfinals would be tough on fans.  Even in the plus-one, what would you
do as a fan if you could only afford to travel to one post-season game-go to
the bowl game and miss out on the national championship if your team wins
the bowl game, or skip the bowl game in hopes that your team makes the
national championship game?
 
-Joe
 
 
From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Jul 17 16:36:01 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Jul 17 16:36:02 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] "Plus-1" Inevitable?
In-Reply-To: <006901c7c8b3$3d8fe490$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
References: <006901c7c8b3$3d8fe490$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270707171436s4ec379a7ka1a99b9b1167cc9c@mail.gmail.com>

Personally, I think that the "plus one" scenario is the best solution
to the bowl-playoff conundrum in college football.  It retains value
to the regular season (you have to qualify for one of those top 4
spots to get a shot at the national championship - which means maximum
one loss to a top team and playing a tough schedule) and retains the
bowl system.  It even meets the current bowl schedule with one bowl a
week later than the rest and there are currently 4 BCS bowls plus the
championship anyways.  I would actually argue that the plus one
scenario would lead to a more challenging regular season as teams look
to gain that difficulty of schedule advantage by playing tougher
non-conference teams - willing to risk a loss to land in the top 4 at
the end of the season.  Tradition has already been skirted with the
BCS and the plus one would basically fall in line with what we have
now.

Regarding the fans being able to attend 2 games (assuming your team is
in the top 4, wins and moves on to the championship game), I believe
this will end up looking much like the Superbowl in the NFL where the
national championship attendees are basically corporate-types,
die-hard sports fans, and contest winners since the tickets are sold
out a year in advance and nobody knows who is going or not.  Plus, it
will be a giant spectacle - not unlike its current form.  There will
be seats available for a price, which will most likely be high.

Will this happen?  I would say it's probably 50-50 at this point that
it will happen when the current BCS contract expires after the 2010
season.  I would not count on it, though, as it probably depends
greatly on what happens between now and then.  For the time being, the
powers that be seem to be content counting their TV money and
"tweaking" the BCS formula every year to appease critics.

Jonathan

On 7/17/07, Joe Thiegs <thiegs@umn.edu> wrote:
> In an attempt to avoid talking about the awful college-football-related news
> out of the Twin Cities the last day or so, I thought I'd offer this
> interesting article from today's New York Post:
>
> A Football Final Four:  NCAA Could Have 'Semifinals' By 2011
> http://www.nypost.com/seven/07172007/sports/a_football_final_four_sports_len
> n_robbins.htm
>
> I've long thought this to be the best compromise if preservation of
> long-standing bowl tradition is deemed important.  I suppose you could go to
> a field of eight with the Rose, Orange, Sugar, and Fiesta Bowls serving as
> the quarterfinals.  That would hurt the conference tie-ins more than the
> plus-one format, though, if the match-ups were done on a seeded basis.  In
> that case, say farewell to the Big Ten/Pac 10 Rose Bowl tradition for good
> (OTOH, that tradition can get messed up in at least three scenarios as it
> is:  (1) Big Ten team in the national championship game and no other Big Ten
> qualifies for a BCS berth (or isn't chosen for the Rose Bowl); (2) Pac 10
> team in the national championship game and no other Pac 10 team qualifies
> for a BCS berth (or isn't chosen for the Rose Bowl); (3) Rose Bowl is the
> national championship game and one or more of the 1 and 2 teams are not from
> the Big Ten or Pac 10.)  Still, I think making the existing BCS bowls the
> quarterfinals would be tough on fans.  Even in the plus-one, what would you
> do as a fan if you could only afford to travel to one post-season game-go to
> the bowl game and miss out on the national championship if your team wins
> the bowl game, or skip the bowl game in hopes that your team makes the
> national championship game?
>
> -Joe
>
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Tue Jul 17 17:06:49 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Tue Jul 17 17:09:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Vince Okruch on leave from Illinois
Message-ID: <008801c7c8be$c640b7a0$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

>From the Chicago Tribune:
 
 
<http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-070712illini,1,13
83251.story?coll=cs-college-headlines> Illini 'D' coordinator on leave from
team
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-070712illini,1,138
3251.story?coll=cs-college-headlines
 
A few snippets:
 
"Coach Ron Zook said his Illinois football team "won't miss a beat" even
though defensive coordinator Vince Okruch unexpectedly is taking a leave of
absence that will extend into the season."
. . . .
 
"During the season there were rumors of friction between the head coach and
defensive coordinator."
. . . .
 
"He [Okruch] spent five seasons with coach Gary Barnett at Northwestern when
the Wildcats won two Big Ten titles and took a 1996 trip to the Rose Bowl.
Okruch followed Barnett to Colorado and spent five seasons as defensive
coordinator there before Barnett fired him."
. . . .
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From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jul 18 09:40:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 7/18
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 20:18:36 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jul 18 20:17:29 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] "Plus-1" Inevitable?
In-Reply-To: <006901c7c8b3$3d8fe490$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <57477.7497.qm@web52911.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> I've long thought this to be the best compromise if
> preservation of
> long-standing bowl tradition is deemed important. 

Yup, I think the plus-one will be coming very soon,
especially if we have a few more years of controversy
over who gets that second spot in the title game.

> suppose you could go to
> a field of eight with the Rose, Orange, Sugar, and
> Fiesta Bowls serving as

That might be the future after "plus one" ... one
other factor might be other bowls trying to get into
the "big four" lock ... especially the Cotton Bowl
with Jerry Jones' new mega-stadium in Dallas coming
soon. If they get two more (Peach Bowl seems to be a
big possibility ... and maybe the Citrus? Holiday?),
they'd have the seven sites needed to rotate an 8-team
playoff.

> on a seeded basis.  In
> that case, say farewell to the Big Ten/Pac 10 Rose
> Bowl tradition for good

Sadly, we've already lost that tradition. Since the
Rose Bowl got their first BCS title game, there have
been more Big XII visits to Pasadena than Big Ten ones
- four for the Big XII and Pac 10 and three for us,
plus one for Miami.

In terms of schools that have gotten the chance to
experience that wonderful bowl in the past six years,
the Big XII has three (Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska), the
Pac Ten two (USC and Wazoo) and the Big Ten one (Hail
to the Victors!).

I still have an "all or nothing" attitude on the issue
- I'd support a full 8- or 16-team playoff, but if we
can't have that daydream, then stick with the
tradition of a Big Ten champion and Pac 10 champion
facing each other in sunny Southern California as the
sun sets on another New Year's Day. A trip to a random
BCS bowl after the unbeaten Big Ten campaign of 1995
simply would not have been as magical as that week of
Purple in Pasadena.

GO CATS!!!
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 18 20:32:21 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jul 18 20:31:13 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] a little wacky mid-summer CFB info!
In-Reply-To: <257282.44858.qm@web51304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <715316.89509.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Fascinating tidbits! Can't wait for the season to
start. A few comments ...

> Indiana is 1-25 in the last 26 games in the week
> before they play Purdue (that's NU this year --
> good!)

:) - certainly hope that continues!

> Michigan is 24-1 in last 25 BT openers (this year:
> Penn State)

Given Lloyd Carr's mastery over JoePa, I think this
streak continues ... perhaps the Nits' only Big Ten
loss this year.

> Ferentz is 5-0 in last five vs. JoePa.

In a nutshell, that's why PSU has fallen from the
elite status - sheesh. Michigan is understandable for
a power to lose to consistently ... Iowa is not.

> Joe Tiller vs. NU, Indiana, MSU and Minny: 31-5

And there is Tiller's success in a nutshell - he beats
the teams he needs to beat. I expect those numbers
hold for Illinois as well.

> About another six weeks ... kickoff!!!!

Thank goodness! Aside from the Illinihype, I think the
league could surprise in a pleasant sense this year -
Iowa has a gift-wrapped schedule, young OSU's big
games don't come until late, Purdue and PSU are
underrated, Michigan and Wisky could make it another
blockbuster game of unbeatens in November for the
league ... and I'm confident in the Cats being bowl
bound! Gotta win the gottawins, but we could open some
eyes this year with an upset or two.

The two big ???s in the league for me are Minny and
MSU - new coaches, new QBs, new systems ... but not
exactly bare cupboards of talent either and a change
might be what the doctor ordered after disappointing
pasts. We'll see how they do this year.

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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jul 19 04:09:15 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jul 19 04:09:10 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] a little wacky mid-summer CFB info!
References: <715316.89509.qm@web52904.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000501c7c9e4$7ba5d320$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

> Given Lloyd Carr's mastery over JoePa, I think this
> streak continues ... perhaps the Nits' only Big Ten
> loss this year.

Another 60:02 game perhaps? 

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Thu Jul 19 14:18:33 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Jul 19 14:17:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Vince Okruch on leave from Illinois
Message-ID: <071920071918.3068.469FB9090009D35B00000BFC2216566276090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Anyone know why Barnett bounced Vince?

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Joe Thiegs" <thiegs@umn.edu>
> >From the Chicago Tribune:
>  
>  
> <http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-070712illini,1,13
> 83251.story?coll=cs-college-headlines> Illini 'D' coordinator on leave from
> team
> http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-070712illini,1,138
> 3251.story?coll=cs-college-headlines
>  
> A few snippets:
>  
> "Coach Ron Zook said his Illinois football team "won't miss a beat" even
> though defensive coordinator Vince Okruch unexpectedly is taking a leave of
> absence that will extend into the season."
> . . . .
>  
> "During the season there were rumors of friction between the head coach and
> defensive coordinator."
> . . . .
>  
> "He [Okruch] spent five seasons with coach Gary Barnett at Northwestern when
> the Wildcats won two Big Ten titles and took a 1996 trip to the Rose Bowl.
> Okruch followed Barnett to Colorado and spent five seasons as defensive
> coordinator there before Barnett fired him."
> . . . .
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From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 20 14:55:39 2007
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Fri Jul 20 14:54:46 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Vince Okruch on leave from Illinois
Message-ID: <105910.62683.qm@web60315.mail.yahoo.com>

My guess: Barnett saw a defense slipping into reverse, unable to get over the hump, (insert metaphor here).

Okruch left Colorado (U of C) after 2003.

In 2001, U of C went 10-2, 7-1 (Big XII champs, lose to Oregon 38-16 in Fiesta Bowl)
In 2002, U of C went 9-5, 7-1 (BigXII north champs, lose by 3 to Wisconsin in Alamo Bowl)
in 2003, U of C went 5-7, 3-5 

Points given up, by year
2000: 284
2001: 318
2002: 325
2003: 398

It is my understanding that Colorado state employees ... with very few exceptions, including the U of C head football coach ... are given one year contracts.  This would likely have included Okruch.

Of course, there's the cynical side of me that says Barnett sacrificed Okruch to save himself.

A fairly good ... albeit pro-Okruch ... read on the matter can be found here:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/michael_bradley/07/22/el.hombre/index.html

Christopher Bailey
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----- John DeGroat asked ----

Anyone know why Barnett bounced Vince?






From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jul 20 17:39:46 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jul 20 17:34:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Vince Okruch on leave from Illinois
In-Reply-To: <105910.62683.qm@web60315.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <105910.62683.qm@web60315.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000c01c7cb1e$df9ec450$9edc4cf0$@com>

I agree that GB sacrificed Vince however....

Zook picked him up after a few years in the doldrums, primarily it appears now,
to have a DC who knew the Big 10 better than any of his chosen assistants. I
really suspect Vince is looking for another Gig, maybe with a MAC team, or
something out west.

Too bad, he and Brown and Vanderlinden were a pretty good group. If Okruh can
hang on and miss a season, he might be a top candidate at NU, but there's all
that baggage with JB and Fitz.....I guess I could check, but what did Okruh
coach before he was DC?

Remember that a coach always has a hard time coming home.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Christopher Bailey
> Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:56 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Vince Okruch on leave from Illinois
> 
> My guess: Barnett saw a defense slipping into reverse, unable to get over
> the hump, (insert metaphor here).
> 
> Okruch left Colorado (U of C) after 2003.
> 
> In 2001, U of C went 10-2, 7-1 (Big XII champs, lose to Oregon 38-16 in
> Fiesta Bowl)
> In 2002, U of C went 9-5, 7-1 (BigXII north champs, lose by 3 to Wisconsin
> in Alamo Bowl)
> in 2003, U of C went 5-7, 3-5
> 
> Points given up, by year
> 2000: 284
> 2001: 318
> 2002: 325
> 2003: 398
> 
> It is my understanding that Colorado state employees ... with very few
> exceptions, including the U of C head football coach ... are given one year
> contracts.  This would likely have included Okruch.
> 
> Of course, there's the cynical side of me that says Barnett sacrificed
> Okruch to save himself.
> 
> A fairly good ... albeit pro-Okruch ... read on the matter can be found
> here:
> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/michael_bradley/07/22/el.homb
> re/index.html
> 
> Christopher Bailey
> christopher_bailey@yahoo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- John DeGroat asked ----
> 
> Anyone know why Barnett bounced Vince?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 20 18:02:00 2007
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Fri Jul 20 18:01:02 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Re: Vince Okruch on leave from Illinois
Message-ID: <740012.37700.qm@web60316.mail.yahoo.com>

http://fightingillini.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/okruch_vince00.html

----- Coach Roy wrote ----

but what did Okruch coach before he was DC?





From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 20 20:49:45 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Fri Jul 20 20:48:34 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A Good Model for NU
In-Reply-To: <200707190900.l6J903vp013580@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <109162.51176.qm@web51310.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

ST: And there is Tiller's success in a nutshell - he
beats
the teams he needs to beat. 

THAT's what NU has to do as well: bowl games and
winning records will come by simply beating the teams
NU is supposed to beat (and win the games NU's winning
38-3 in the second half, too,. but ...). This year, as
of now, you could say NU would be favored in 6 of 12
games. Have to win them.

ST: In a nutshell, that's why PSU has fallen from the
elite status - sheesh. Michigan is understandable for
a power to lose to consistently ... Iowa is not.

Well, 0-8 vs. Michigan isn't good enough for anybody;
certainly not Penn State, whose teams don't lose 8
times in 25 years to most of the teams they play. 

But Steve's right: PSU should beat Iowa once in a
while. And some of the losses were awful: remember
6-4? 

and I'm confident in the Cats being bowl
bound! 

So am I.

bw


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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 21 18:39:37 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Sat Jul 21 18:38:15 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] ND breakup with Michigan schools
Message-ID: <98004.52395.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

The Detroit Free Press is reporting that ND will take
two-year breaks soon with its series with Michigan and
MSU (replacing them with Oklahoma and Arizona State). 

Now Michigan is no big deal: since 1982 they have
played just 17 times meaning many years off in there. 

But ND and Michigan State have played all but 4 years
since 1948.

It does appear that Perdoo-ND (every year since 1946)
will continue uninterupted.

ND seems to be making a major push to be a more
"national" team with games in Orlando and San Antonio
and now this. Good thing they can still fit Navy in,
though.

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 21 20:04:07 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jul 21 20:02:45 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] ND breakup with Michigan schools
In-Reply-To: <98004.52395.qm@web51311.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <110030.2587.qm@web52905.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

> The Detroit Free Press is reporting that ND will
> take
> two-year breaks soon with its series with Michigan

First reaction: Booooo! <chickens clucking>

Second reaction: Good. The Big Ten needs to stop
helping ND pad up their weak schedule.

Third reaction: Funny how they still have room for all
those commander-in-chief trophy games.:)

> Now Michigan is no big deal: since 1982 they have
> played just 17 times meaning many years off in
> there. 

Disagree big-time there! Yes, there have been breaks
in the series, but you could make a strong case for
ND-Michigan as the greatest rivalry in college
football. You have two teams close to each other - one
with the most wins in college football history, the
other with the highest winning percentage in college
football history (I think ... the Davie era may have
changed that:) ).

ND-Michigan games are huge and have had a big impact
on the national title chase ... certainly in the late
80s and 90s with the colossal September matchup often
involving at least one top 5 team (and being 1 vs. 2
at least once).

I would imagine that for ND fans, the game is right up
there with USC for their biggest of the year. And for
Michigan fans, only OSU is bigger.

> But ND and Michigan State have played all but 4
> years since 1948.
> 
But it hasn't really been as big of a rivalry - save
for that game in the Sixties. Plus, it hasn't been
much of a contest in recent years either, with Sparty
owning the Irish (save for last year's collapse in the
rain).

> It does appear that Perdoo-ND (every year since
> 1946) will continue uninterupted.
> 
They're not scared of Purdue - especially after Tiller
departs West Lafayette.

> ND seems to be making a major push to be a more
> "national" team with games in Orlando and San
> Antonio

Interesting to see who gets those "neutral site" games
- are they on ND's network or open for ESPN/ABC?

> and now this. Good thing they can still fit Navy in,
> though.

Oh well - ASU and OU will be tough foes, but Wazoo in
the middle of Texas doesn't seem to be a big draw. I
guess the Big Ten will just have to make their
statement this September, when Michigan, Penn State
and Purdue better defend home turf and beat ND!

GO CATS!!!
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Sun Jul 22 01:45:05 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Sun Jul 22 01:43:44 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Great news re NU FB and DirecTV
Message-ID: <46A2FCF1.9070007@earthlink.net>

According to a new interview with the Big Ten Network's president, all 
of their network's football games will be shown live on DirecTV.  
They've got overflow channels, so they'll be using them.  Last year, we 
got to see only eight of our twelve games.  This year, we will get all 
the games on live TV.

http://iowa.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=693316

From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jul 22 06:29:36 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Jul 22 06:28:50 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Great news re NU FB and DirecTV
References: <46A2FCF1.9070007@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <000701c7cc53$960cc680$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

> According to a new interview with the Big Ten Network's president, all of 
> their network's football games will be shown live on DirecTV.  They've got 
> overflow channels, so they'll be using them.

Whoopee!  I asked that question of DirecTV a few weeks ago, but they 
wouldn't answer.  The icing on the gridiron would be them broadcasting the 
games in high-def on that new channel capacity they've launched.  I'll be 
laughing at all my Comcast-cable-lovin' friends and relatives this fall. 
See ya then, WildElk!

Now all we have to do is win.  A mere bag of shells. 

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Jul 22 08:55:09 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jul 22 08:57:32 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] ND breakup with Michigan schools
Message-ID: <d1f.b585334.33d4bbbd@aol.com>

That is kind of a strange story here in Orlando, as we soon have to vote on  
refurbishing the Citrus bowl, a lot of money for a stadium that is used very  
seldom as UCF has built their own.  How much cash the citrus bowl folks are  
giving the evil empire is a secret but the idea of teams getting payoffs to 
play  home games 1000 miles from campus is disturbing.



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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sun Jul 22 13:15:11 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Sun Jul 22 13:16:05 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] ND breakup with Michigan schools
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An additional aspect of ND's new national scheduling is the commitment to
play three Big East games a year, with at least one of those to be held in
Giants Stadium (old and new) each year and the other two home and away.  I'm
not sure what year it starts but I believe it's either 2010 or 2011.  It was
a compromise given to the Big East to quiet the move towards a showdown on
ND's membership.

 
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That is kind of a strange story here in Orlando, as we soon have to vote on

refurbishing the Citrus bowl, a lot of money for a stadium that is used very

seldom as UCF has built their own.  How much cash the citrus bowl folks are

giving the evil empire is a secret but the idea of teams getting payoffs to 
play  home games 1000 miles from campus is disturbing.



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 22 16:43:45 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Jul 22 16:42:21 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] ND breakup with Michigan schools
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> That is kind of a strange story here in Orlando, as
> we soon have to vote on  
> refurbishing the Citrus bowl, a lot of money for a
> stadium that is used very  

Hmm, good question, though what would they do for the
Citrus Bowl if they let the current stadium stay as
is?

> giving the evil empire is a secret but the idea of
> teams getting payoffs to 
> play  home games 1000 miles from campus is
> disturbing.

Agreed. I had kind of forgotten this in the earlier
post because of my anger over the ND-Michigan rivalry
both being downplayed and stopped (remember, I grew up
a Maize and Blue fan:) ).

First off, does ND really need nationwide games to
"establish" a national base? They already have a
network - what difference will playing games in
Orlando and San Antonio make? Especially as opposed
to, say, doing a home-and-home series with Texas or
FSU instead of dragging Washington State to the middle
of Texas for a game.

Secondly, the payoff would have to be pretty big to
get other schools to agree to these games ... or at
least the bigger-name schools. Why give up a
home-and-home, or even a 2-for-1 with ND for a game in
the middle of Texas? Having Notre Dame in your
stadium, even once out of three games, is a huge boost
for ticket sales (some, like Stanford or BYU, even
make it by season ticket only - driving up those
sales). And the return game or games gives your team
and a small portion of your fans the chance to visit
Notre Dame Stadium, one of the great cathedrals of
this sport. The recruiting boost from playing in the
middle of Florida or Texas might be somewhat helpful,
but otherwise, why give all that up? Surely a national
TV game in Notre Dame stadium or an electric
atmosphere in your home stadium that you can invite
the recruits to is far preferable.

As for the Big East games, I wonder how many of those
will be against Louisville and West Virginia? They'll
probably do Rutgers with Giants Stadium and all, but I
can't see them facing the proven powers of the league
all too willingly. Too bad, because I know Louisville
would probably give them a 3-for-1 deal to get the
Irish in the Pizza Bowl for a prime time audience.

We'll see how it works out - but as a fan of college
football, I'd much rather see the great rivalry of
Michigan vs. Notre Dame or another Sparty stunner in
South Bend than Wazzu-Irish or UConn-Irish in San
Antonio or Orlando.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - Of course, the game I'd most like to see is a
visit by the Evil Empire to Evanston. But until then,
all we can do is continue to relish that 17-15
victory. Which, thanks to someone named NUBears and
the magic of YouTube, I can now watch again and
again!:)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=m0KfjEdrcBc

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sjtruog@yahoo.com
GO CATS!!!


       
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From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 23 13:38:13 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Mon Jul 23 13:36:45 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] ND neutral sites
Message-ID: <15477.95990.qm@web51301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

... are "home" games for ND. So Teevee will be NBC. 

The old idea of "neutral" site games was exactly that:
teams would split the tickets and revenues, wanting to
play in a place good for both. 

But this ND move seems very different.

I dislike the idea of "home" games where most students
and local fans cannot attend. What's the point of
college football then? A team that has fewer and fewer
connections to its university and its local fan base
seems more like an NFL team than anything CFB fans
would recognize. 

I rather doubt ND will play Louisville much in the Big
East deal: they have a long-established series with
Pittsburgh and have played Syracuse and Rutgers in the
past and would stick, I suspect, to those teams. 

bw

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Jul 29 20:26:23 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jul 29 20:28:14 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] [SPAM] From a party at my nephew's,
	reffering to Gonzaga prep in DC
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