From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan  1 11:13:30 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan  1 11:12:57 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/1
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New Year Edition
All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Index to online News about Northwestern
University Athletics

BASKETBALL
Men

     Cats executed to the nth degree...
     Northwestern Cruises Past Northwestern State 85-59
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/123106aaa.html 
     + Bring on the Lions - NU 85 NSU 59
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/605490.html 
     + NU posts big win vs. Northwestern St.
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-061231nug
amer,1,5166184.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Cats feast on layups, then climb to 10-3 
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/193207,CST-SPT-nu01.article 
     + NU goes to bank with load of 'dimes'
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=265120 

     Myslenski Will it be Buckeyes or Badgers?
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-061231nyslenski,1,2
732170.column?coll=cs-college-utility 
     Wildcats rolling into 2007
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-070101009
4jan01,1,4029936.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 

     Northwestern State Demons
     Wildcats pounce on Demons in battle of Northwesterns
      http://www.nsudemons.com/story.asp?ID=2590 
     + Sizzling Northwestern shoots down Demons
 
http:////www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article%3FAID%3D/20070101/SPORTS0
2/701010324/1001/SPORTS&cid=1112295412 
     + Roy Lang III: Recognition, lack of leadership stifle Demons
 
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061231/SPORTS0405/31
2310010/1001/SPORTS 
     + Northwestern routs Northwestern State
 
http://www.thetowntalk.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070101/SPORTS/701010304/
1006 

     Next up for the Court Cats:
     Penn State Nittany Lions - EPSNU - 6 PM
     Records Fall in Hoop Win
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=605235 
     + Nittany Lions Shatter School Scoring Mark While Out-Running VMI, 129-111
      http://www.gopsusports.com/pressreleases/pressrelease.cfm?anncid=11504 

Women

     Purple Hair Dare
      http://nusports.cstv.com/genrel/120506aag.html 

Big 10, etc...

     Michigan
     Cold Shooting Dooms Men's Hoops Against Georgetown
     + Amaker digs deeper hole for himself 
     + Amaker: Starting lineups are in limbo

FOOTBALL

     Bryan Heinz Named to ESPN's All-Mayday Team
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/123106aaa.html 

     Big 10:
     Mason fired as Minnesota coach 
      http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=2716012 
     + Mason fired after Insight Bowl debacle
 
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/sports/colleges/pennsylvania_state_un
iversity/16358895.htm 
     + Mason Era is over
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/908564.html 
     + You're Fired ... And You ...
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/908534.html 
     + Up Next?
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/908553.html 
     + Glen Mason Fired as Minnesota Head FB Coach
      http://minnesota.scout.com/2/605454.html 
     + Trey Davis Shocked by Gopher Coaching Change
      http://minnesota.scout.com/2/605473.html 

     Injuries, inconsistencies doom Hawkeyes to losing season 
      http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=2716003 

     'Sore as a dog' Paterno undecided on coaching from sideline 
 
http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/%7Er/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories/%7E3/691
47293/2006-12-31-outback-paterno_x.htm 
     + Paterno Doubtful About Being on Sideline
      http://pennstate.scout.com/2/605405.html 

     Stewart Mandel: Booty, Henne mean it'll be a retro Rose
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/stewart_mandel/12/31/rose.bowl/ind
ex.html 

RECRUITING

     It's Clear In Alamo City
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=605529 
     Army All-American Preview
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=605237 

WRESTLING

     Lang and Tamillow Win Titles; 'Cats Place Third at 44th Midlands
Championships
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/123106aaa.html 
     + Final Brackets
 
http://www.fansonly.com/photos/schools/nw/sports/m-wrestl/auto_pdf/FinalBracket.
pdf 
     + Final Standings
 
http://www.fansonly.com/photos/schools/nw/sports/m-wrestl/auto_pdf/FinalStanding
s.pdf 
     + Finals Summary
 
http://www.fansonly.com/photos/schools/nw/sports/m-wrestl/auto_pdf/FinalSummary.
pdf 

MISCELLANY

Alumni

     NU has 5 alums in the NFL Playoffs: Luis Castillo, Zach Strief, Kevin
Bentley, Barry Cofield, and Matt Ulrich
     Complete NFL Standings: 
      http://www.nfl.com/standings 

     PGA
     Luke Donald playing Mercedes-Benz Championship
     +  http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r016/ 

     repeating the link from early December:
     Tom Johnson Q-school marathon comes to a happy end for 40 players
      http://www.pgatour.com/story/9849500 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  1 13:01:18 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan  1 13:01:21 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] New Year's Day bowls ...
Message-ID: <670128.70074.qm@web52908.mail.yahoo.com>

Gonna be real interesting to see the attendance
figures from today. The upper decks in Orlando and
Jacksonville seem half empty at least and there's a
lot of empty end zone seats in Dallas. It seems like
the Outback Bowl is the only one close to a sellout.
As for the BCS, I know we'll be fine here in Phoenix
with virtually the entire state of Idaho in town, but
with neither SC nor Michigan all that happy about the
Rose Bowl, I wonder if there will be seats open in
Pasadena.

Some of the earlier bowls I know had big attendance
figures (notably the Music City and Peach) with new
schools and such, but still kind of sad to see a lot
of these bowls in hallow stadiums. Is this a B(C)S
factor or are the prices just too high? I'm not sure.

As for the games, Wisky and PSU are playing well and
hanging tough, but the Big Ten needs to start getting
some wins. Iowa's gutsy play got some respectability
back after Minny's choke, but our big boys gotta come
to play today.

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan  1 16:03:52 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Jan  1 16:03:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] One tough game
References: <670128.70074.qm@web52908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301c72df0$b9801b50$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Arkansas and Wisconsin should all go directly to the emergency room for 
checkups.  That was a real head-smacker of a game. 

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Jan  1 16:17:28 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  1 16:17:32 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] One tough game
Message-ID: <c9f.677f5fe.32cae278@aol.com>

It was, both defenses played old school football, not what the local SEC  
fans like, but then who cares Wisconsin won with only 200 total yards. . Not  
exactly a chamber of commerce day here in Orlando but with free tickets and a  
bus from my country club just north of the Citrus bowl , it was an enjoyable  
day. I must compliment the badger fans for their support, much as it pains me. I 
 think the BT is going 3-0 today.
From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  1 18:09:23 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan  1 18:09:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] One tough game
In-Reply-To: <c9f.677f5fe.32cae278@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20070102000923.84155.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com>

This Rose Bowl has been a slobberknocker as well. Some
hard-hitting defense today! Michigan really looks ill
equipped to handle SC's pressure. Hope they can wake
up in time.

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  1 19:25:23 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan  1 19:25:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowls ...
Message-ID: <57645.60242.qm@web52909.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, it started out well today. But boy did Michigan
lay an egg - completely out-coached and out-hustled.
Aside from last year, Carrol has proven to be a tough
bowl coach with the extra month to prepare and he
really had Carr's number today. Dunno how UCLA did it,
but SC-OSU looks like it would have made one heck of a
title game.

So ... two tough defensive wins from Wisky and PSU,
two close shave losses (Minny's was a choke, but
Iowa's a game effort) and Purdue and Michigan just
didn't show up.

The one thing that's stood out though from watching
Big Ten games today is that the Lions, Badgers and
Wolverines all have a bunch of talent returning next
year. I know the Bucknuts will lose a bunch, but
Tressel's just in a reloading pattern there. So the
league's gonna be pretty tough next year.

And watching Jarret brough back some bad memories of
another big SC wideout. Still, every time they show
those wide shots of the Rose Bowl I just get
goosebumps and remember that magical trip eleven years
ago. Just something about seeing the sun set over the
mountains with all that tradition unlike any other
bowl ... so thankful we were able to make it there and
I look forward to Fitz' endless optimism carrying the
Purple back to Pasadena soon.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Mon Jan  1 20:07:37 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Mon Jan  1 20:07:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] One tough game
In-Reply-To: <20070102000923.84155.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20070102000923.84155.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4599BE69.50001@earthlink.net>

Thank goodness for UCLA.  Had the Bruins not pulled off their miracle, 
we would have been stuck with an OSU-SC Bowl from Hell.  It's truly 
amazing that the Bruins beat SC a month ago.


SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
> This Rose Bowl has been a slobberknocker as well. Some
> hard-hitting defense today! Michigan really looks ill
> equipped to handle SC's pressure. Hope they can wake
> up in time.
>
> Go Big Ten!
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan  1 23:58:00 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Jan  1 23:58:03 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Make noise for Boise!
Message-ID: <000601c72e32$f5ec6020$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Only in English would that subject not rhyme.

 Talk about your gutsy, loveable teams!  That two-point conversion was a 
classic.  And they won the game playing on a GREEN artificial surface.  So, 
if Florida beats OSU, how can the so-called experts not make the only 13 - 0 
team the national champion? 

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  1 23:59:37 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan  1 23:59:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!!
Message-ID: <20070102055937.2510.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com>

I dunno what Phoenix can do for an encore next week
with the title game. Last week, we host the greatest
comeback (or choke job) in NCAA history. Then tonight
we have the most amazing non-NU game I think I've ever
seen.

Hail Cinderella! David beats Goliath!

That hook-and-ladder on 4th down? Amazing!
Then the 4th down trick play TD in OT? Incredible!
And then the two-point conversion to win?!?!
WOWOWOWOW!!!

I'll confess to being someone who didn't think Boise
State would stay on the same field as OU ... and after
that late pick for OU's first lead, I almost turned
the game off in disgust.

I hope someone remembered to turn off the lights in
Idaho before they all came down here to the Valley of
the Sun ... but they should enjoy this incredible win
with gutsy calls and great plays!!!

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan  2 00:26:28 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan  2 00:26:31 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <200701020626.l026QSZC018484@romaine.tssi.com>

> I dunno what Phoenix can do for an encore next week
> with the title game. Last week, we host the greatest
> comeback (or choke job) in NCAA history. Then tonight
> we have the most amazing non-NU game I think I've ever
> seen.

Yes, it rivals, possibly tops, the 17-16 Michigan game!

I don't care if the game was on Fox, ESPN should find a way to dub
that game an instant classic and replay it.  I saved it on TIVO,
I may watch it again in the morning.

That may get my vote for the best game of the year, decade and possibly
century.  For darned sure those last 2 plays in overtime will get SERIOUS
consideration for play of the season.  (It is apparently too late to make
ESPN's "Sports Play of the Year", since it is now 2007.)

BTW, Happy New Year, everybody!  
--
Mike Nolan

PS.  One of the names being floated for the Minnesota job is former Nebraska
coach Frank Solich, currently at Ohio U.

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan  2 00:28:21 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan  2 00:28:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Make noise for Boise! (fwd)
Message-ID: <200701020628.l026SLfG018525@romaine.tssi.com>

>  Talk about your gutsy, loveable teams!  That two-point conversion was a 
> classic.  And they won the game playing on a GREEN artificial surface.  So, 
> if Florida beats OSU, how can the so-called experts not make the only 13 - 0 
> team the national champion? 

The coaches are required to vote for the winner of next Monday's game,
but I think there could be some INTENSE lobbying of the AP voters.
--
Mike Nolan

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan  2 01:12:10 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  2 01:12:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Make noise for Boise! (fwd)
Message-ID: <cd0.73e486b.32cb5fca@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/1/2007 10:28:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
nolan@romaine.tssi.com writes:

> > Talk about your gutsy, loveable teams!  That two-point conversion was a 
> >classic.  And they won the game playing on a GREEN artificial surface.  So, 
> 
> >if Florida beats OSU, how can the so-called experts not make the only 13 - 
> 0 
> >team the national champion? 
> 
> The coaches are required to vote for the winner of next Monday's game,
> but I think there could be some INTENSE lobbying of the AP voters

That was quite a new year's gift to those fans who stayed up late to watch 
the game (If I didn't live on the West Coast ,I probably would not have watched 
the 4th quarter)--Not only the most exciting bowl game I had ever watched, but 
the guts that the BSU coach showed is amazing--Mark May said,  that if Saban 
holds true to his word and turns down the Tide's $40 MM, they ought to 
consider the BSU coach--What fun he could bring to the SEC


Harry
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan  2 07:09:14 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan  2 07:08:33 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!!
In-Reply-To: <20070102055937.2510.qmail@web52905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001c72e6f$33974e30$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Don't forget that OU had a couple of NU coaching alumni running the Sooner
offense.

When I was watching in the first half, it looked at times like the OU line was
going to take charge and grind out a typical OU running game win.

But then Boise would figure out how to stop their QB, a player more known for
running maybe, and force passes which they would pick off.

Another nail in Wilson's Head Coaching coffin? Or do the Sooners wish that car
dealer hadn't paid those players "overtime?"

However, given all the weird games this bowl season, I'm not sure you go ahead
and crown dOSU just yet.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT 
> (Stephen J. Truog)
> Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:00 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!!
> 
> 
> I dunno what Phoenix can do for an encore next week
> with the title game. Last week, we host the greatest
> comeback (or choke job) in NCAA history. Then tonight
> we have the most amazing non-NU game I think I've ever
> seen.
> 
> Hail Cinderella! David beats Goliath!
> 
> That hook-and-ladder on 4th down? Amazing!
> Then the 4th down trick play TD in OT? Incredible!
> And then the two-point conversion to win?!?!
> WOWOWOWOW!!!
> 
> I'll confess to being someone who didn't think Boise
> State would stay on the same field as OU ... and after
> that late pick for OU's first lead, I almost turned
> the game off in disgust.
> 
> I hope someone remembered to turn off the lights in
> Idaho before they all came down here to the Valley of
> the Sun ... but they should enjoy this incredible win
> with gutsy calls and great plays!!!
> 
> Go Big Ten!
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
> 
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Jan  2 08:40:30 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Jan  2 08:43:15 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowls ...
In-Reply-To: <57645.60242.qm@web52909.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <192f01c72e7b$f3b578c0$85492745@hilgraeve.com>

Stephen wrote <snip>

And watching Jarret brough back some bad memories of another big SC wideout.
Still, every time they show those wide shots of the Rose Bowl I just get
goosebumps and remember that magical trip eleven years ago. 

===================

Particularly watching him taunt the UoM defenders REALLY brought back
memories of Keeshawn.  It was also interesting in one of the video
retrospectives of USC Rose Bowl wins to see John Robinson on the shoulders
of his players.  They neglected to mentioned USC forfeited that Rose Bowl
win because of an academically ineligible Keeshawn on the field.

Jeff

From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Jan  2 10:31:52 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  2 10:32:18 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!!
Message-ID: <bde.cd0465b.32cbe2f8@aol.com>

I stayed up (until almost 1 a.m. in the East) for the conclusion to one of  
the greatest games (college or pro) I have ever seen.  I was telling my son  
about it this morning and could only compare it to NU 54- MICH 51 for excitement 
 and amazing ebb-and-flow action.  Mr. "Mo Mentum" sure was fickle last  
night.  I found myself absolutely delighted that Boise State won, and have  
enormous respect for the guts, creativity and calm demeanor of their Head Coach,  
but in the back of my mind I had only one reservation.  Since Idaho (and  
particularly Coeur d'Alene, which I have driven through, and which I believe is  
pretty far north and west of Boise) is sort of the epicenter of Neo-Nazi  
country, I just couldn't help wondering how many of their fans subscribe to the  
hatemongering of the fringe groups that have set up shop in their otherwise  
beautiful state.  
 
Paul Levinson
From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Jan  2 10:43:24 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Jan  2 10:44:57 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowls ...
Message-ID: <20070102.084349.2383.1570597@webmail55.nyc.untd.com>

I heard about the academic ineligibility, but I never heard about the 
forfeit.  I thought nothing came of it.  

On the tournament of roses official site it still lists the results 
and generally when one team forefeits it lists it.


-- "Jeff Beamsley" <jeffb@hilgraeve.com> wrote:
Stephen wrote <snip>

And watching Jarret brough back some bad memories of another big SC 
wideout.
Still, every time they show those wide shots of the Rose Bowl I just 
get
goosebumps and remember that magical trip eleven years ago. 

===================

Particularly watching him taunt the UoM defenders REALLY brought back
memories of Keeshawn.  It was also interesting in one of the video
retrospectives of USC Rose Bowl wins to see John Robinson on the 
shoulders
of his players.  They neglected to mentioned USC forfeited that Rose 
Bowl
win because of an academically ineligible Keeshawn on the field.

Jeff



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From thiegs at umn.edu  Tue Jan  2 10:58:02 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Tue Jan  2 10:58:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200701020626.l026QSZC018484@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <001301c72e8f$2a4f4e70$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

That was a great, great, great game.  I won't say that it was the best game
of all time, but it is up there, probably in the top 5 most exciting
finishes I've ever watched not involving NU, and in the top 10 including all
NU games.  It's up there with last year's USC-Texas game for the ages,
Miami-tOSU in the 2002 title game, the incredible Minnesota upset of #2 Penn
State in 1999, and the six-overtime Tennessee-Arkansas game in 2002.  I'm
sure I'm forgetting a couple, but you get the idea.  If we're including NU
games, it's up there with Michigan 2000, Minnesota 2001, Wisconsin 1996, MSU
2001, tOSU 2004, Iowa 2005, the Rose Bowl vs. USC, and-as Mike
notes-Michigan 1996.  Of course, for me it didn't provide quite the same
level of joy as the NU wins, but it definitely was the greatest-ever
feel-good college football game for me not involving a team about which I
have any reason to care.  I love this sport.
 
To top it off, star running back Ian Johnson's wedding proposal to his
girlfriend, head cheerleader Chrissy Popadics, at the end of his national TV
interview was very cool.  If only the interviewer (Chris Meyers?) hadn't
been such a blockhead.  He said something like (almost verbatim):  "Okay,
Ian, I know you want to propose to your girlfriend now, so why don't you go
ahead and do that?"  She still was clearly surprised, only by the wrong guy!
As my wife observed:  "Couldn't he have just said, 'I know you have
something you want to ask' or 'Is there anything else you want to say?'"
Oh, well, it was still a sweet moment.
 
Happy New Year!
 
-Joe
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:26 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
 
> I dunno what Phoenix can do for an encore next week
> with the title game. Last week, we host the greatest
> comeback (or choke job) in NCAA history. Then tonight
> we have the most amazing non-NU game I think I've ever
> seen.
 
Yes, it rivals, possibly tops, the 17-16 Michigan game!
 
I don't care if the game was on Fox, ESPN should find a way to dub
that game an instant classic and replay it.  I saved it on TIVO,
I may watch it again in the morning.
 
That may get my vote for the best game of the year, decade and possibly
century.  For darned sure those last 2 plays in overtime will get SERIOUS
consideration for play of the season.  (It is apparently too late to make
ESPN's "Sports Play of the Year", since it is now 2007.)
 
BTW, Happy New Year, everybody!  
--
Mike Nolan
 
PS.  One of the names being floated for the Minnesota job is former Nebraska
coach Frank Solich, currently at Ohio U.
 
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From michael.vance at att.net  Tue Jan  2 11:40:56 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Tue Jan  2 11:41:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowls ...
In-Reply-To: <192f01c72e7b$f3b578c0$85492745@hilgraeve.com>
References: <192f01c72e7b$f3b578c0$85492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <459A9928.30008@att.net>

And the officials added insult to injury by not only letting Jarrett get 
away with the taunt on the one TD catch, but then they flagged Leon Hall 
for the late hit!  I've often found it strange that there aren't more 
late hits called in the end zone (how often do you see a defender hit a 
guy after he's already clearly caught the pass or is already a yard or 
two into the end zone on a run?), but to call that right after the 
finger-point by Jarrett was ludicrous.

-Michael

Jeff Beamsley wrote:
> Stephen wrote <snip>
>
> And watching Jarret brough back some bad memories of another big SC wideout.
> Still, every time they show those wide shots of the Rose Bowl I just get
> goosebumps and remember that magical trip eleven years ago. 
>
> ===================
>
> Particularly watching him taunt the UoM defenders REALLY brought back
> memories of Keeshawn.  It was also interesting in one of the video
> retrospectives of USC Rose Bowl wins to see John Robinson on the shoulders
> of his players.  They neglected to mentioned USC forfeited that Rose Bowl
> win because of an academically ineligible Keeshawn on the field.
>
> Jeff
>
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From AirSnod at aol.com  Tue Jan  2 12:02:15 2007
From: AirSnod at aol.com (AirSnod@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  2 12:02:32 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!!
Message-ID: <bf9.c50a84c.32cbf827@aol.com>

 
Hardly. Coeur d'Alene (far north of Boise) has gotten an undeserved bad  rep. 
It's really much more like Lake Tahoe or Vale, Colorado. It'd be  like asking 
how many NU fans are in gangs, because they play in  Chicago.
 
I was downtown Boise last night watching the game (at the Sports bar in  
Qwest Arena, where I work now). By the time my wife and I left, the street  
traffic and car horns were starting up on Capitol Blvd. Reminded me of the Bulls  
Championship celebrations I saw back in the 90's. Since it's almost impossible  
to get NU games out here, I've caught a lot of BSU football this year. 
Needless  to say, it's all the talk at work today.
 
In a message dated 1/2/2007 9:35:07 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
NEONRye@aol.com writes:

Since  Idaho (and  
particularly Coeur d'Alene, which I have driven through,  and which I believe 
is  
pretty far north and west of Boise) is sort  of the epicenter of Neo-Nazi  
country, I just couldn't help wondering  how many of their fans subscribe to 
the  
hatemongering of the fringe  groups that have set up shop in their otherwise  
beautiful  state.  




From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Jan  2 12:00:57 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Jan  2 12:03:40 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowls ...
In-Reply-To: <20070102.084349.2383.1570597@webmail55.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <19a301c72e97$f4613860$85492745@hilgraeve.com>

I recall the whole forfeit discussion because GB refused to accept it.  He
said that he only wanted NU to be listed as the winner if they won on the
field.

Don't know if this is something that the NCAA or the Rose Bowl committee
deals with.  But if I were the Rose Bowl committee, I don't think I would
want to draw attention to something like that.

Jeff
 

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of mlinhardt@netzero.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:43 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowls ...

I heard about the academic ineligibility, but I never heard about the
forfeit.  I thought nothing came of it.  

On the tournament of roses official site it still lists the results and
generally when one team forefeits it lists it.


-- "Jeff Beamsley" <jeffb@hilgraeve.com> wrote:
Stephen wrote <snip>

And watching Jarret brough back some bad memories of another big SC 
wideout.
Still, every time they show those wide shots of the Rose Bowl I just 
get
goosebumps and remember that magical trip eleven years ago. 

===================

Particularly watching him taunt the UoM defenders REALLY brought back
memories of Keeshawn.  It was also interesting in one of the video
retrospectives of USC Rose Bowl wins to see John Robinson on the 
shoulders
of his players.  They neglected to mentioned USC forfeited that Rose 
Bowl
win because of an academically ineligible Keeshawn on the field.

Jeff



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From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Jan  2 12:12:15 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  2 12:12:31 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!!
Message-ID: <533.ef7192b.32cbfa7f@aol.com>

OK, you put my mind at ease.  I'm really happy for BSU and its  fans.   I 
expect that if tOSU wins on Jan. 8, the rankings will be (1)  tOSU, (2) USC, (3) 
BSU, and if Florida wins, the rankings will be (1) U of F,  (2) USC, (3) tOSU, 
(4) BSU.  Maybe I am overly optimistic for the Mustangs,  but they were so 
good and the game was so compelling, and since they were  undefeated and ended 
with a resounding win over a highly-regarded  opponent, they deserve to jump 
over the others right into the Top 3 or Top  4.  Whether the "computers" will 
permit such a result is another  question.
 
Paul Levinson
From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan  2 12:38:44 2007
From: hakirsch at aol.com (hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  2 12:38:58 2007
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <8C8FCB24FA33B8F-1190-B780@mblk-d28.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8C8FCB45DC5A6F1-1604-CE@mblk-d28.sysops.aol.com>

 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: hakirsch@aol.com
To: thiegs@umn.edu
Sent: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)


 
 There was so many wonderful things about the game--it's a shame that so many must have gone to bed by the time the game over- (hey i paid the price of being able to see it on the west coast by having to get up at 8 in the mornign new years day to watch my boyhood favorite team, Penn State )-while I know there will be many other games that might be suggested as tops,  who out there remembers the 1968 ?1969 ? Orange Bowl when Kansas ? stopped Penn State for a 2 point conversion with a 6-3-3 defense ,only to have the penalty called and making  it on the second attempt to win 15-14 ?
 
Harry
 
-----Original Message-----
From: thiegs@umn.edu
To: nolan@romaine.tssi.com; nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Sent: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 8:58 AM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)


That was a great, great, great game.  I won't say that it was the best game
of all time, but it is up there, probably in the top 5 most exciting
finishes I've ever watched not involving NU, and in the top 10 including all
NU games.  It's up there with last year's USC-Texas game for the ages,
Miami-tOSU in the 2002 title game, the incredible Minnesota upset of #2 Penn
State in 1999, and the six-overtime Tennessee-Arkansas game in 2002.  I'm
sure I'm forgetting a couple, but you get the idea.  If we're including NU
games, it's up there with Michigan 2000, Minnesota 2001, Wisconsin 1996, MSU
2001, tOSU 2004, Iowa 2005, the Rose Bowl vs. USC, and-as Mike
notes-Michigan 1996.  Of course, for me it didn't provide quite the same
level of joy as the NU wins, but it definitely was the greatest-ever
feel-good college football game for me not involving a team about which I
have any reason to care.  I love this sport.
 
To top it off, star running back Ian Johnson's wedding proposal to his
girlfriend, head cheerleader Chrissy Popadics, at the end of his national TV
interview was very cool.  If only the interviewer (Chris Meyers?) hadn't
been such a blockhead.  He said something like (almost verbatim):  "Okay,
Ian, I know you want to propose to your girlfriend now, so why don't you go
ahead and do that?"  She still was clearly surprised, only by the wrong guy!
As my wife observed:  "Couldn't he have just said, 'I know you have
something you want to ask' or 'Is there anything else you want to say?'"
Oh, well, it was still a sweet moment.
 
Happy New Year!
 
-Joe
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:26 AM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
 
> I dunno what Phoenix can do for an encore next week
> with the title game. Last week, we host the greatest
> comeback (or choke job) in NCAA history. Then tonight
> we have the most amazing non-NU game I think I've ever
> seen.
 
Yes, it rivals, possibly tops, the 17-16 Michigan game!
 
I don't care if the game was on Fox, ESPN should find a way to dub
that game an instant classic and replay it.  I saved it on TIVO,
I may watch it again in the morning.
 
That may get my vote for the best game of the year, decade and possibly
century.  For darned sure those last 2 plays in overtime will get SERIOUS
consideration for play of the season.  (It is apparently too late to make
ESPN's "Sports Play of the Year", since it is now 2007.)
 
BTW, Happy New Year, everybody!  
--
Mike Nolan
 
PS.  One of the names being floated for the Minnesota job is former Nebraska
coach Frank Solich, currently at Ohio U.
 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  2 13:01:25 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan  2 13:01:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!!
In-Reply-To: <533.ef7192b.32cbfa7f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <68647.57580.qm@web52901.mail.yahoo.com>

> over the others right into the Top 3 or Top  4. 
> Whether the "computers" will 
> permit such a result is another  question.
>  
Computers have nothing to do with it now that the BCS
bowls are set. It's just that wonderful human factor
that was so fickle the final few weeks of this year.
The coaches must go with the BCS title game winner,
the AP is free to vote on their own.

I'd like to see Boise State get #2 in one of the two
polls. But don't forget that there's a 1-loss
Wisconsin and (if they win tonight) Louisville team
ahead of 'em, as well as the powerful 2-loss teams of
USC and (if they win ... and please let them win ...
let them win big) LSU. But justice would have Boise
State #2 at the end if OSU wins their game.

Just a great game. It had the supreme underdog aspect
of our win in South Bend in '95 ... it had the
improbability against the game clock of Michigan '96
... and it had the wild excitement of Michigan '00. I
didn't give 'em a shot but I was absolutely thrilled
at Boise State's win and am sure they'll enjoy it for
a long time. 

And I hope their coach learns from his predecessor
(how was that year in Boulder, eh?) and stays put!!!

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan  2 16:25:40 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  2 16:25:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <c4d.ad0ff64.32cc35e4@aol.com>

 
In a message dated 1/2/2007 9:53:26 AM Pacific Standard Time,  thiegs@umn.edu 
writes:

To top  it off, star running back Ian Johnson's wedding proposal to his
girlfriend,  head cheerleader Chrissy Popadics, at the end of his national TV
interview  was very cool. 


Best line I heard regarding Johnson's proposal, "when you have capital ,  use 
it "
 
Harry
From thehaze at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  2 20:28:19 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Tue Jan  2 20:28:24 2007
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <8C8FCB45DC5A6F1-1604-CE@mblk-d28.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C8FCB45DC5A6F1-1604-CE@mblk-d28.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <459B14C3.9020006@earthlink.net>

As great a game as it was, I'd still have to say that last year's 
Texas-SC game is the greatest game ever played.  My argument is that, 
last year, SC and Texas were ranked #1 and #2 for the entire season.  
There was a buildup for that game all year.  Everyone was wondering if 
they'd meet in the Rose Bowl.  They wound up being the only two 
undefeated teams in the country.  Then, they played a 41-38 thriller.  
Tough to top that one.  -- Jim B.

P.S. And, as an extra bonus last year, SC lost!

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan  2 20:32:47 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan  2 20:32:49 2007
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
Message-ID: <200701030232.l032WlJq017113@romaine.tssi.com>

> P.S. And, as an extra bonus last year, SC lost!

But on the downside, Texas won.  :-)
--
Mike Nolan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan  2 20:36:47 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan  2 20:35:58 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <001301c72e8f$2a4f4e70$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <001901c72ee0$04100820$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

The problem with too many "sportscasters" is that the game has become about them
and not the players.

As I watched the pregame of tonight's Orange Bowl, I finally had to change the
channel because I could care less about the "can you top this" aspect of the
current style of 4 and 5 man TV pregame show.

If swearing is the obvious display of lack of vocabulary, then the modern TV
pregame is an obvious display of lack of material.

Those who have chatted with me on NU games know my comments about many of those
doing NU games. I want the game to be about the players, not an attempt to show
why the commentator is smarter than the coach.

Maybe NBC was right, do away with all the commentators, just let the PA
announcer call the game.

rsl

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If only the interviewer (Chris Meyers?) hadn't been 
> such a blockhead.

From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Wed Jan  3 06:27:10 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Wed Jan  3 06:28:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowls ...
Message-ID: <20070103.042750.793.472208@webmail01.nyc.untd.com>

I definitely don't want a win by forfeit, but I also don't want a loss 
to a team that cheated.  

I think that if USC was found guilty it should be 1996 Rose Bowl Big 
Ten Representative Northwestern Pac Ten Representative N/A.

USC seems to be teflon as they escaped the Reggie Bush payments also.

All I know is that given SC's domination over the Big Ten I think the 
Big Ten should turn down any Rose Bowl bid against the Trojans.  Btw 
tOSU is playing a away/home with USC in 2008/9.

Rose Bowl victories vs. USC(since WWII)
Jan. 2, 1989  Michigan 22, USC 14  
Jan. 1, 1988  Michigan St 20, USC 17 
Jan. 1, 1974  Ohio St 42, USC 21  
Jan. 1, 1969  Ohio St 27, USC 16  
Jan. 2, 1967  Purdue 14, USC 13  
Jan. 1, 1955  Ohio St 20, USC 7  
Jan. 1, 1948  Michigan 49, USC 0  

Non-Rose Bowl victories vs. USC
Aug 25, 1996 Penn State 11, USC 7
Sep 10, 1994 Penn State 24, USC 8
Dec 31, 1990 Michgian State 17, USC 16 - John Hancock Bowl
Sep 7, 1989 Illinois 14, USC 13
Michigan is undefeated against USC outside the Rose Bowl(2-0)

Only Penn State and Michigan State have even records 4-4, everybody 
else has a losing record.

-- "Jeff Beamsley" <jeffb@hilgraeve.com> wrote:
I recall the whole forfeit discussion because GB refused to accept 
it.  He
said that he only wanted NU to be listed as the winner if they won on 
the
field.

Don't know if this is something that the NCAA or the Rose Bowl 
committee
deals with.  But if I were the Rose Bowl committee, I don't think I 
would
want to draw attention to something like that.

Jeff
 

-----Original Message-----
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On
Behalf Of mlinhardt@netzero.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:43 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Big Ten bowls ...

I heard about the academic ineligibility, but I never heard about the
forfeit.  I thought nothing came of it.  

On the tournament of roses official site it still lists the results and
generally when one team forefeits it lists it.


-- "Jeff Beamsley" <jeffb@hilgraeve.com> wrote:
Stephen wrote <snip>

And watching Jarret brough back some bad memories of another big SC 
wideout.
Still, every time they show those wide shots of the Rose Bowl I just 
get
goosebumps and remember that magical trip eleven years ago. 

===================

Particularly watching him taunt the UoM defenders REALLY brought back
memories of Keeshawn.  It was also interesting in one of the video
retrospectives of USC Rose Bowl wins to see John Robinson on the 
shoulders
of his players.  They neglected to mentioned USC forfeited that Rose 
Bowl
win because of an academically ineligible Keeshawn on the field.

Jeff



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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  3 07:03:39 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jan  3 07:03:42 2007
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <459B14C3.9020006@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20070103130339.8138.qmail@web52914.mail.yahoo.com>

> As great a game as it was, I'd still have to say
> that last year's 
> Texas-SC game is the greatest game ever played.  My

I dunno why (probably because it was SC and Texas),
but I never really put that one above the earlier
"classics" like the '84 Orange Bowl or the OSU-Miami
Fiesta Bowl. Maybe because it seemed like SC choked
with that 4th down at the end, or that you just knew
Vince was going to run that last one in.

I agree with those who say that since the stakes
weren't as high as the 1 vs. 2 of the Rose or OSU's
Fiesta win that it isn't the "greatest." But those
games didn't have this small school vs. big school
underdog aspect ... nor did they have the big lead by
David, then Goliath taking control only for David to
pull out a miracle finish aspect. So I'd say that
while it might not have been the greatest game, in
terms of amazing finishes or thrilling aspects, the
2007 Fiesta Bowl is tough to beat.

GO CATS!!!
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Tue Jan  2 12:51:43 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Wed Jan  3 08:54:13 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
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Harry-I think you meant to send this to the listserv too, so I'm taking the
liberty of copying the list on this reply.  I don't remember a late-'60s PSU
Orange Bowl since I was a couple of years away from existence then . . . but
I am sure I would have loved to have seen it!  :)  -Joe
 
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From: hakirsch@aol.com [mailto:hakirsch@aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:24 PM
To: thiegs@umn.edu
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
 
 
 There was so many wonderful things about the game--it's a shame that so
many must have gone to bed by the time the game over- (hey i paid the price
of being able to see it on the west coast by having to get up at 8 in the
mornign new years day to watch my boyhood favorite team, Penn State )-while
I know there will be many other games that might be suggested as tops,  who
out there remembers the 1968 ?1969 ? Orange Bowl when Kansas ? stopped Penn
State for a 2 point conversion with a 6-3-3 defense ,only to have the
penalty called and making  it on the second attempt to win 15-14 ?
 
Harry
 
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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
That was a great, great, great game.  I won't say that it was the best game
of all time, but it is up there, probably in the top 5 most exciting
finishes I've ever watched not involving NU, and in the top 10 including all
NU games.  It's up there with last year's USC-Texas game for the ages,
Miami-tOSU in the 2002 title game, the incredible Minnesota upset of #2 Penn
State in 1999, and the six-overtime Tennessee-Arkansas game in 2002.  I'm
sure I'm forgetting a couple, but you get the idea.  If we're including NU
games, it's up there with Michigan 2000, Minnesota 2001, Wisconsin 1996, MSU
2001, tOSU 2004, Iowa 2005, the Rose Bowl vs. USC, and-as Mike
notes-Michigan 1996.  Of course, for me it didn't provide quite the same
level of joy as the NU wins, but it definitely was the greatest-ever
feel-good college football game for me not involving a team about which I
have any reason to care.  I love this sport.
 
To top it off, star running back Ian Johnson's wedding proposal to his
girlfriend, head cheerleader Chrissy Popadics, at the end of his national TV
interview was very cool.  If only the interviewer (Chris Meyers?) hadn't
been such a blockhead.  He said something like (almost verbatim):  "Okay,
Ian, I know you want to propose to your girlfriend now, so why don't you go
ahead and do that?"  She still was clearly surprised, only by the wrong guy!
As my wife observed:  "Couldn't he have just said, 'I know you have
something you want to ask' or 'Is there anything else you want to say?'"
Oh, well, it was still a sweet moment.
 
Happy New Year!
 
-Joe
 
 
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Subject: [NU Sports] A-M-A-Z-I-N-G !!! (fwd)
 
> I dunno what Phoenix can do for an encore next week
> with the title game. Last week, we host the greatest
> comeback (or choke job) in NCAA history. Then tonight
> we have the most amazing non-NU game I think I've ever
> seen.
 
Yes, it rivals, possibly tops, the 17-16 Michigan game!
 
I don't care if the game was on Fox, ESPN should find a way to dub
that game an instant classic and replay it.  I saved it on TIVO,
I may watch it again in the morning.
 
That may get my vote for the best game of the year, decade and possibly
century.  For darned sure those last 2 plays in overtime will get SERIOUS
consideration for play of the season.  (It is apparently too late to make
ESPN's "Sports Play of the Year", since it is now 2007.)
 
BTW, Happy New Year, everybody!  
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PS.  One of the names being floated for the Minnesota job is former Nebraska
coach Frank Solich, currently at Ohio U.
 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jan  3 09:11:36 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Jan  3 09:11:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Penn State Orange Bowl
References: <002601c72e9f$0bd6e920$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
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> I don't remember a late-'60s PSU
> Orange Bowl since I was a couple of years away from existence then . . . 
> but
> I am sure I would have loved to have seen it!  :)  -Joe

That would be the famous game against Nebraska in 1969.  Penn State scored 
with no time remaining in the game to make it 14 - 13 Nebraska.  There was 
no overtime of course, so PSU went for two.  They failed.  Omaha may have 
gone berserk, but the noise of gnashing teeth in Pennsylvania created a 
financial windfall for the dentistry profession.  WAIT!  THERE'S A FLAG ON 
THE PLAY!  IT'S AGAINST NEBRASKA!  (Maybe someone will recall the exact 
penalty.)  On their second try, Penn State punched it in, and the boys from 
Centre County lifted the state a few feet in altitude.

OK, it wasn't as exciting as the 0 - 0 game Northwestern once played, but it 
ranks up there. 

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jan  3 11:13:32 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan  3 11:13:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Penn State Orange Bowl
Message-ID: <c46.b0df2e9.32cd3e3c@aol.com>

The penalty was 12 men on the field--hence the 6-3--3 defense--couldn't 
remember if it was Nebraska or Kansas--just the first big bowl game I watched that 
was decided in the last seconds

Harry
From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jan  3 11:26:20 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Jan  3 11:26:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Penn State Orange Bowl
References: <c46.b0df2e9.32cd3e3c@aol.com>
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AH!  Forgive me!  Hakirsch is right.  That all time Penn State game was with Kansas, not Nebraska.  That's what I get for being a Northwestern fan in a Penn State world.  And getting old to boot.
From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jan  3 16:55:44 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Jan  3 16:56:29 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Could it be true?
Message-ID: <000f01c72f8a$4d6d9cd0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Do we really have a four-star recruit?  That's the ranking of Jordan Mabin, cornerback/running back from Macedonia, Ohio, who will arrive with a 3.6 GPA.  Take that, Ohio State!  (Of course, they already have seven four-stars and a five-star.)
From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Wed Jan  3 17:56:51 2007
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan  3 17:56:57 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Hoops
Message-ID: <c9a.6c913f8.32cd9cc3@aol.com>

NU vrs PSU in 5 mins on ESPNU.
Lets see how the Wildcats play game 1 of the big ten season.
 
Prediction NU 63 PSU 60
From bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  3 20:41:18 2007
From: bwdolphin146 at yahoo.com (Brad Wilson)
Date: Wed Jan  3 20:41:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] back to reality ... 
Message-ID: <949255.4565.qm@web51311.mail.yahoo.com>

26-point loss at Penn State to start the league
season. 

Maybe wins over Northwestern State, Loyola (Md.) and
Puerto Rico-Mayaguez DON'T mean anything ... 

Same old song. The beat goes on.

bw

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  3 23:04:25 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jan  3 23:04:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
Message-ID: <472718.92006.qm@web52915.mail.yahoo.com>

Well, looks like a big Bayou blowout for LSU over the
Evil Empire. Thanks BCS - Roll Tigers!:)

I tell you, LSU has a LOAD of talent there, but they
just seem to play so sloppy every time I see 'em on TV
- hence it's not the pasting that Michigan and SC put
on the Irish. But much like the Fiesta Bowl last year
where OSU jumped out to a big lead and then fell
asleep, the Irish may have made a game of it at half,
but the outcome was never really in doubt.

Instead of Fox constantly hyping the Notre Dame
"experience" and giving the Doh!mers a 30 minute
commercial during the last half of the rout, it'd have
been nice to see them raise the biggest question of
the night.

Isn't it time the BCS drops their preferential
treatment of Notre Dame and makes the Irish earn their
big to their (now-annual) bowl (loss) like every other
team? Surely Boise State's win showed that it's time
to give everyone a chance and the Irish should have to
earn that bid like every other school.

Remember that, had Rutgers won that OT game at WVU,
there would have been an two 11-1 teams in the top 5-6
(Louisville and Wisconsin ... both now 12-1) left out
of the BCS in favor of an Irish team that barely beat
two mid-bowl teams in UCLA and GaTech and got
clobbered by the two BCS bowl teams they faced.

They didn't play a tough schedule to earn the bid and
they certainly didn't show they deserved it on the
field. So it's time for the B(C)S to end these special
exemptions for the Irish to sneak into a B(C)S game
where they show time and time again that they don't
belong. It's not like they needed ND to sell tickets
in New Orleans.

They're giving them the big bucks they haven't earned
(nor will they share, unlike every other team in
conferences) and leaving more deserving teams out
who'd give us a better game. Oregon State, Ohio State,
LSU - how much more do they need to realize that
everyone should be on equal footing in terms of
getting BCS consideration.

BTW - I have never seen a team cry as much as the
Irish did that first half. Samardzija looked more like
Krybaby Kobe Bryant out there, screaming for a penalty
every pass play (when often it was #83 in blue pushing
off). And Weiss wasn't much better. It actually seems
like most of the calls have gone ND's way from that
early replay that even Terry Bradshaw could see wasn't
incomplete to the recent play where Zbikowski horse
collared ans spub the LSU player out of bounds and it
was LSU called for unsportsmanlike conduct for
responding. Sheesh.

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - With only one game left, Mark Ament and Neil
Kaplan are deadlocked for the bowl pool title and both
picked OSU. No one else is within one, so congrats to
both for winning the D'Wayne Bates Award. Mark did
better on Big Ten picks, only missing PSU's win over
the Vols - and Mark picked Boise State as well - but
Auburn, Georgia and Florida State's wins helped Neil
catch up and overcome his pick of Oregon.

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From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Jan  3 23:13:26 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Jan  3 23:13:29 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Another holiday tradition completed
Message-ID: <200701040513.l045DQdD009653@romaine.tssi.com>

One of my favorite holiday traditions has been accomplished, watching
Notre Dame lose a bowl game.  :-)
--
Mike Nolan

From cherron604 at aol.com  Wed Jan  3 23:38:38 2007
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan  3 23:38:46 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Charlie Weis
Message-ID: <8C8FDD9B7F7285C-1374-5359@WEBMAIL-MA21.sysops.aol.com>

The bowl season is a complete success (at least for some of us)
 
Charlie Weis and Co. have just been kicked from one side of New Orleans to the other
 
9 consecutive bowl losses is an NCAA record (I think)
 
And the 9 losses come by a total of 159 points (almost 18 points per game)
 
Eventually, normal viewers are going to tire of arrogant press conferences, followed by 20-point defeats, and tune-in in lesser numbers.  Maybe the BCS will wake up some day and decree that a schedule of 2 decent teams and 10 total hacks is not acceptable for participating in the BCS.
 
Til then, we'll just have to console ourselves with the fact that the 41-14 score was not indicative of the talent gulf between these two teams (it should have been more like 45-7), or between the evil empire, and good programs.
 
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jan  3 23:40:28 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan  3 23:40:40 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
Message-ID: <bd2.ca0ee95.32cded4c@aol.com>

I think so long as the Irish can claim to be the one team that is guaranteed 
to deliver the large national audience on  TV  , they will get preferential 
treatment--it ain't right, but money talks

Harry
From johnl at mac.com  Thu Jan  4 00:07:46 2007
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Thu Jan  4 00:08:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
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Was Notre Dame selected for the Sugar Bowl due to a "special 
exemption"?  They finished 10-2, ranked in the top 12 of the BCS 
rankings, and were therefore eligible for selection, and the Sugar Bowl 
selected them.  The Sugar Bowl didn't have to select them, but 
obviously if Notre Dame is eligible for selection, they'll almost 
certainly be selected.  But I don't think the rules make it any easier 
for Notre Dame to be "eligible" than any other team.  What it sounds 
like you want to do is tell the Sugar Bowl they can't select Notre Dame 
if there's a higher ranked team even if Notre Dame is eligible for 
selection.  I think that would amount to a "special exclusion."

In any event, I have to say that Charlie Weis really laid a big egg 
both tonight and throughout this whole season.  His team not only lost, 
but got embarrassed, in all three of its marquee matchups.  Even if you 
forgive him for not having a great defense, the offense was nothing 
special, either.

They really ought to fire that guy, but whoops, I guess they already 
signed him to a long-term contract after last season.

John


On Jan 3, 2007, at 11:04 PM, SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:

> Well, looks like a big Bayou blowout for LSU over the
> Evil Empire. Thanks BCS - Roll Tigers!:)
>
> I tell you, LSU has a LOAD of talent there, but they
> just seem to play so sloppy every time I see 'em on TV
> - hence it's not the pasting that Michigan and SC put
> on the Irish. But much like the Fiesta Bowl last year
> where OSU jumped out to a big lead and then fell
> asleep, the Irish may have made a game of it at half,
> but the outcome was never really in doubt.
>
> Instead of Fox constantly hyping the Notre Dame
> "experience" and giving the Doh!mers a 30 minute
> commercial during the last half of the rout, it'd have
> been nice to see them raise the biggest question of
> the night.
>
> Isn't it time the BCS drops their preferential
> treatment of Notre Dame and makes the Irish earn their
> big to their (now-annual) bowl (loss) like every other
> team? Surely Boise State's win showed that it's time
> to give everyone a chance and the Irish should have to
> earn that bid like every other school.
>
> Remember that, had Rutgers won that OT game at WVU,
> there would have been an two 11-1 teams in the top 5-6
> (Louisville and Wisconsin ... both now 12-1) left out
> of the BCS in favor of an Irish team that barely beat
> two mid-bowl teams in UCLA and GaTech and got
> clobbered by the two BCS bowl teams they faced.
>
> They didn't play a tough schedule to earn the bid and
> they certainly didn't show they deserved it on the
> field. So it's time for the B(C)S to end these special
> exemptions for the Irish to sneak into a B(C)S game
> where they show time and time again that they don't
> belong. It's not like they needed ND to sell tickets
> in New Orleans.
>
> They're giving them the big bucks they haven't earned
> (nor will they share, unlike every other team in
> conferences) and leaving more deserving teams out
> who'd give us a better game. Oregon State, Ohio State,
> LSU - how much more do they need to realize that
> everyone should be on equal footing in terms of
> getting BCS consideration.
>
> BTW - I have never seen a team cry as much as the
> Irish did that first half. Samardzija looked more like
> Krybaby Kobe Bryant out there, screaming for a penalty
> every pass play (when often it was #83 in blue pushing
> off). And Weiss wasn't much better. It actually seems
> like most of the calls have gone ND's way from that
> early replay that even Terry Bradshaw could see wasn't
> incomplete to the recent play where Zbikowski horse
> collared ans spub the LSU player out of bounds and it
> was LSU called for unsportsmanlike conduct for
> responding. Sheesh.
>
> Go Big Ten!
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> PS - With only one game left, Mark Ament and Neil
> Kaplan are deadlocked for the bowl pool title and both
> picked OSU. No one else is within one, so congrats to
> both for winning the D'Wayne Bates Award. Mark did
> better on Big Ten picks, only missing PSU's win over
> the Vols - and Mark picked Boise State as well - but
> Auburn, Georgia and Florida State's wins helped Neil
> catch up and overcome his pick of Oregon.
>
> * * * * * * * * *
> STEPHEN J. TRUOG
> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan  4 06:56:58 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan  4 06:57:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
References: <472718.92006.qm@web52915.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000f01c72fff$d2362c00$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Steve:
> Instead of Fox constantly hyping the Notre Dame
> "experience" and giving the Doh!mers a 30 minute
> commercial during the last half of the rout, it'd have
> been nice to see them raise the biggest question of
> the night.  Isn't it time the BCS drops their preferential
> treatment of Notre Dame and makes the Irish earn their
> big to their (now-annual) bowl (loss) like every other
> team?

Harry:
> Money talks.

Steve and Harry are both right.  However, why must the press continue to 
glut themselves at the Irish trough?  The third estate is supposed to be 
unbiased.  (Yeah!  Right!)

New York City professional sports and Notre Dame football have much in 
common.  The Philadelphia Eagles have soared back from the dead to win their 
division; meanwhile the Giants have been digging their own grave.  Yet all 
you heard hour after hour last week on ESPN and the NFL Network were stories 
about the Giants.  GO EAGLES!

From thiegs at umn.edu  Thu Jan  4 08:45:43 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Thu Jan  4 08:45:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
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Dennis:  You mean the _Fourth_ Estate, right?  (The Third Estate refers to
the commoners--with the First and Second Estates being the clergy and
nobility, respectively.)  Commoners do tend to be even more biased than
reporters, though!  :)   -Joe

> Steve and Harry are both right.  However, why must the press continue to 
> glut themselves at the Irish trough?  The third estate is supposed to be 
> unbiased.  (Yeah!  Right!)


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From tbng at comcast.net  Thu Jan  4 09:14:17 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Thu Jan  4 09:14:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
References: <000c01c7300f$03cae620$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <000601c73013$00f6bab0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

That's like that old singing group, The Fourth Dimension.  I never could count, which is an hard admission from a musician.  Confusing the press with common people is even more unforgivable when done by an historian.  (From Home Guards to Heroes on sale now all over the internet and at fine book stores everywhere.)  I thank Mr. Thiegs for correcting my mathematically-challenged analysis and allowing me to get in a plug for my book.

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To: "'Dennis W. Brandt'" <tbng@comcast.net>; <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:45 AM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...


> 
> Dennis:  You mean the _Fourth_ Estate, right?  (The Third Estate refers to
> the commoners--with the First and Second Estates being the clergy and
> nobility, respectively.)  Commoners do tend to be even more biased than
> reporters, though!  :)   -Joe
> 
>> Steve and Harry are both right.  However, why must the press continue to 
>> glut themselves at the Irish trough?  The third estate is supposed to be 
>> unbiased.  (Yeah!  Right!)
> 
> 
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From tmcadams at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  4 10:15:22 2007
From: tmcadams at yahoo.com (Trey McAdams)
Date: Thu Jan  4 10:15:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Charlie Weis
Message-ID: <20070104161522.68370.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com>

I am not an Irish fan, but I do not think that ND only played 2 decent teams and 10 hacks.  Be careful who you call hacks (we play these so called "hacks" regularly).

I assume the decent teams were:
 - Michigan
 - USC

They also played:
 - Penn State
 - Georgia Tech
 - UCLA
 - Michigan State
 - Purdue

By your logic Ohio State played a crapped schedule as well.  2 decent teams (Texas and Michigan) and 10 hacks.  This may not be too far from the truth and I think clearly explains why Florida will beat OSU on Monday night.

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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 3, 2007 11:38:38 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Charlie Weis

The bowl season is a complete success (at least for some of us)
 
Charlie Weis and Co. have just been kicked from one side of New Orleans to the other
 
9 consecutive bowl losses is an NCAA record (I think)
 
And the 9 losses come by a total of 159 points (almost 18 points per game)
 
Eventually, normal viewers are going to tire of arrogant press conferences, followed by 20-point defeats, and tune-in in lesser numbers.  Maybe the BCS will wake up some day and decree that a schedule of 2 decent teams and 10 total hacks is not acceptable for participating in the BCS.
 
Til then, we'll just have to console ourselves with the fact that the 41-14 score was not indicative of the talent gulf between these two teams (it should have been more like 45-7), or between the evil empire, and good programs.
 
Chuck Herron    Tech '85
 
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Date: Thu Jan  4 12:23:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
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We all seem to operate (fans and the press) on the assumption that 'Notre Dame guarantees ratings and gate'.  We have certainly all heard it often enough (they have their own network, after all).  But hard, fast numbers are hard to find.  I did find this interesting story from the Wall Street Journal (via the Austin American-Statesman):
 
http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/longhorns/01/4bowlratings.html 
 
It is intriguing that the South Bend school does no better than 7th, helping a game's average ratings by only about 3%.  This is a nice number, but I would guess almost certainly less than the school would have done 20 years ago.
 
And the gate argument might be losing a little steam also - the Sugar Bowl would certainly have sold as many tickets (due to LSU's presence) even if a different, quality opponent had been provided to the Tigers.
 
I have not seen research on which schools' 'travelling fans' spread around the most dollars in the host cities, and I would tend to doubt the rosy numbers most cities put out ('adding this will pump $500 million into the local economy'), but that would be interesting also.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85 
 
 
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Steve: 
> Instead of Fox constantly hyping the Notre Dame 
> "experience" and giving the Doh!mers a 30 minute 
> commercial during the last half of the rout, it'd have 
> been nice to see them raise the biggest question of 
> the night. Isn't it time the BCS drops their preferential 
> treatment of Notre Dame and makes the Irish earn their 
> big to their (now-annual) bowl (loss) like every other 
> team? 
 
Harry: 
> Money talks. 
 
Steve and Harry are both right. However, why must the press continue to glut themselves at the Irish trough? The third estate is supposed to be unbiased. (Yeah! Right!) 
 
New York City professional sports and Notre Dame football have much in common. The Philadelphia Eagles have soared back from the dead to win their division; meanwhile the Giants have been digging their own grave. Yet all you heard hour after hour last week on ESPN and the NFL Network were stories about the Giants. GO EAGLES! 
 
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Thu Jan  4 13:05:02 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  4 13:05:39 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
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One would think that after 9 straight bowl losses (My head is spinning from  
that number, as even the 'Cats don't approach that record of futility.) the  
Powers That Be at Dome U. would decide that their "backdoor" pass into the BCS  
is not in their interest, let alone those of College FB fans across the 
country,  and also those worthy non-BCS League teams (such as Boise State).  ND  
really should be playing to "their level".  Thus, a mid-level bowl for  their 
good, but hardly great, team, would have given them a better chance of  getting 
"off the schneid" in terms of a bowl win--just as many of us rooted for  NU to 
get into a "lesser" bowl a few years ago just so we could cop a win and  
break our streak (I thought the Motor City Bowl gig would do the trick at the  
time, but unfortunately, Bowling Green had other ideas.).  ND's  putative 
"entitlement" to be invited to the BCS "Dance" is just a further  indictment of the 
whole system and does nothing to enhance Dome U.'s  reputation.  I have never 
felt the visceral hate that some of you have for  ND--probably because I grew 
up in the NY area, where ND is put on a pedestal,  but their coverage is not so 
all-encompassing and nauseatingly positive like it  is in the Midwest and 
especially Chicagoland--but their "free ride" into the BCS  is just absurdly 
unfair and undeserved.  I had almost no interest in last  night's game, as I just 
didn't feel the match-up was worthy of the Sugar Bowl  stage.  My ennui was 
certainly justified as the game wasn't competitive  after halftime.  In 
contrast, the BSU-OU game was compelling, both because  of the David against Goliath 
angle and the level of play and coaching  creativity.  Both teams had earned 
the right to be at the Fiesta, so it  felt right.  At the Sugar, I felt going in 
that ND might be exposed, and it  was.
 
Paul Levinson
From johnl at mac.com  Thu Jan  4 14:22:46 2007
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Thu Jan  4 14:22:50 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
Message-ID: <D44C6FEE-010F-1000-9828-B96808E5D221-Webmail-10018@mac.com>

Regardless of whether we're Notre Dame "fans" or not, those of us who can understand why the Irish are favorites for the bowls aren't saying that Notre Dame would ALWAYS be picked above ANY other team.  If you told a bowl that it could choose one of Notre Dame, USC, and Penn State, I don't think it's at all clear that the bowl would pick Notre Dame.  Any of these three teams would ensure good ratings etc.

But if pretend you were the guy picking teams for the Sugar Bowl, and you take a look at the BCS-eligible teams this year, which team would you have picked instead of Notre Dame?  That's the question.  I think you would have picked Notre Dame.

Now, having said that, I would suggest one change to the BCS eligibility criteria.  I don't think there should be a two-team limit for each conference.  I'm OK with a limit of two guaranteed slots (e.g., OSU in championship game and Michigan ranked high enough that it got a guaranteed BCS birth, but no more guaranteed slots for one conference).  But I don't think there should be a total limit per conference to exclude possible at-large teams.

If you do away with that 2-team limit, now the Sugar Bowl could have chosen Wisconsin or Auburn instead of Notre Dame.  They probably wouldn't have chosen Auburn vs. LSU, but Wisconsin would have been a very attractive choice (yes, despite the fact that they played 1 good team and 11 hacks ;) ).


P.S. In case you thought I just called NU's football team a hack, it was just a joke, and in any event, you would be mistaken because I was referring to NU as the "1 good team" on Wisconsin's schedule.




On Thursday, January 04, 2007, at 12:34PM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:
>We all seem to operate (fans and the press) on the assumption that 'Notre Dame guarantees ratings and gate'.  We have certainly all heard it often enough (they have their own network, after all).  But hard, fast numbers are hard to find.  I did find this interesting story from the Wall Street Journal (via the Austin American-Statesman):
> 
>http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/longhorns/01/4bowlratings.html 
> 
>It is intriguing that the South Bend school does no better than 7th, helping a game's average ratings by only about 3%.  This is a nice number, but I would guess almost certainly less than the school would have done 20 years ago.
> 
>And the gate argument might be losing a little steam also - the Sugar Bowl would certainly have sold as many tickets (due to LSU's presence) even if a different, quality opponent had been provided to the Tigers.
> 
>I have not seen research on which schools' 'travelling fans' spread around the most dollars in the host cities, and I would tend to doubt the rosy numbers most cities put out ('adding this will pump $500 million into the local economy'), but that would be interesting also.
> 
>Chuck Herron   Tech '85 
> 
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tbng@comcast.net
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Sent: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 6:56 AM
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
>
>
>Steve: 
>> Instead of Fox constantly hyping the Notre Dame 
>> "experience" and giving the Doh!mers a 30 minute 
>> commercial during the last half of the rout, it'd have 
>> been nice to see them raise the biggest question of 
>> the night. Isn't it time the BCS drops their preferential 
>> treatment of Notre Dame and makes the Irish earn their 
>> big to their (now-annual) bowl (loss) like every other 
>> team? 
> 
>Harry: 
>> Money talks. 
> 
>Steve and Harry are both right. However, why must the press continue to glut themselves at the Irish trough? The third estate is supposed to be unbiased. (Yeah! Right!) 
> 
>New York City professional sports and Notre Dame football have much in common. The Philadelphia Eagles have soared back from the dead to win their division; meanwhile the Giants have been digging their own grave. Yet all you heard hour after hour last week on ESPN and the NFL Network were stories about the Giants. GO EAGLES! 
> 
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Thu Jan  4 16:44:34 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Thu Jan  4 16:47:23 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
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You gotta figure that the two team conference limit was something that Notre
Dame promoted when the whole BCS bowl formula was put together.

I don't mind it though.  I like seeing Notre Dame get embarrassed on a
national stage.  It just reminds everyone of the definition of overrated.

On the other hand, this was the year of the little conferences that could.
Just another reminder of the wisdom of the NCAA Div I rules encouraging
parity.  

Jeff

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Regardless of whether we're Notre Dame "fans" or not, those of us who can
understand why the Irish are favorites for the bowls aren't saying that
Notre Dame would ALWAYS be picked above ANY other team.  If you told a bowl
that it could choose one of Notre Dame, USC, and Penn State, I don't think
it's at all clear that the bowl would pick Notre Dame.  Any of these three
teams would ensure good ratings etc.

But if pretend you were the guy picking teams for the Sugar Bowl, and you
take a look at the BCS-eligible teams this year, which team would you have
picked instead of Notre Dame?  That's the question.  I think you would have
picked Notre Dame.

Now, having said that, I would suggest one change to the BCS eligibility
criteria.  I don't think there should be a two-team limit for each
conference.  I'm OK with a limit of two guaranteed slots (e.g., OSU in
championship game and Michigan ranked high enough that it got a guaranteed
BCS birth, but no more guaranteed slots for one conference).  But I don't
think there should be a total limit per conference to exclude possible
at-large teams.

If you do away with that 2-team limit, now the Sugar Bowl could have chosen
Wisconsin or Auburn instead of Notre Dame.  They probably wouldn't have
chosen Auburn vs. LSU, but Wisconsin would have been a very attractive
choice (yes, despite the fact that they played 1 good team and 11 hacks ;)
).


P.S. In case you thought I just called NU's football team a hack, it was
just a joke, and in any event, you would be mistaken because I was referring
to NU as the "1 good team" on Wisconsin's schedule.




On Thursday, January 04, 2007, at 12:34PM, <cherron604@aol.com> wrote:
>We all seem to operate (fans and the press) on the assumption that 'Notre
Dame guarantees ratings and gate'.  We have certainly all heard it often
enough (they have their own network, after all).  But hard, fast numbers are
hard to find.  I did find this interesting story from the Wall Street
Journal (via the Austin American-Statesman):
> 
>http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/longhorns/01/4bo
>wlratings.html
> 
>It is intriguing that the South Bend school does no better than 7th,
helping a game's average ratings by only about 3%.  This is a nice number,
but I would guess almost certainly less than the school would have done 20
years ago.
> 
>And the gate argument might be losing a little steam also - the Sugar Bowl
would certainly have sold as many tickets (due to LSU's presence) even if a
different, quality opponent had been provided to the Tigers.
> 
>I have not seen research on which schools' 'travelling fans' spread around
the most dollars in the host cities, and I would tend to doubt the rosy
numbers most cities put out ('adding this will pump $500 million into the
local economy'), but that would be interesting also.
> 
>Chuck Herron   Tech '85 
> 
> 
>-----Original Message-----
>From: tbng@comcast.net
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Sent: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 6:56 AM
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
>
>
>Steve: 
>> Instead of Fox constantly hyping the Notre Dame "experience" and 
>> giving the Doh!mers a 30 minute commercial during the last half of 
>> the rout, it'd have been nice to see them raise the biggest question 
>> of the night. Isn't it time the BCS drops their preferential 
>> treatment of Notre Dame and makes the Irish earn their big to their 
>> (now-annual) bowl (loss) like every other team?
> 
>Harry: 
>> Money talks. 
> 
>Steve and Harry are both right. However, why must the press continue to
glut themselves at the Irish trough? The third estate is supposed to be
unbiased. (Yeah! Right!) 
> 
>New York City professional sports and Notre Dame football have much in
common. The Philadelphia Eagles have soared back from the dead to win their
division; meanwhile the Giants have been digging their own grave. Yet all
you heard hour after hour last week on ESPN and the NFL Network were stories
about the Giants. GO EAGLES! 
> 
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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Thu Jan  4 19:33:11 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Thu Jan  4 19:33:13 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
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Well, I can't give you too much scientific data on traveling fans but this:
LSU had sold upwards of 30,000 Rose Bowl tickets for this year when they 
were still under consideration
Lousiville had sold over 20,000 Rose Bowl tickets and took over 40,000 
people to the Orange Bowl
West Virginia sold over 30,000 tickets to the Gator Bowl and it's the 
third time in 4 years that the 'eers have been there.

That's three examples of schools that travel well.
Mark


cherron604@aol.com wrote:
> We all seem to operate (fans and the press) on the assumption that 'Notre Dame guarantees ratings and gate'.  We have certainly all heard it often enough (they have their own network, after all).  But hard, fast numbers are hard to find.  I did find this interesting story from the Wall Street Journal (via the Austin American-Statesman):
>  
> http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/longhorns/01/4bowlratings.html 
>  
> It is intriguing that the South Bend school does no better than 7th, helping a game's average ratings by only about 3%.  This is a nice number, but I would guess almost certainly less than the school would have done 20 years ago.
>  
> And the gate argument might be losing a little steam also - the Sugar Bowl would certainly have sold as many tickets (due to LSU's presence) even if a different, quality opponent had been provided to the Tigers.
>  
> I have not seen research on which schools' 'travelling fans' spread around the most dollars in the host cities, and I would tend to doubt the rosy numbers most cities put out ('adding this will pump $500 million into the local economy'), but that would be interesting also.
>  
> Chuck Herron   Tech '85 
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tbng@comcast.net
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Sent: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 6:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
>
>
> Steve: 
>   
>> Instead of Fox constantly hyping the Notre Dame 
>> "experience" and giving the Doh!mers a 30 minute 
>> commercial during the last half of the rout, it'd have 
>> been nice to see them raise the biggest question of 
>> the night. Isn't it time the BCS drops their preferential 
>> treatment of Notre Dame and makes the Irish earn their 
>> big to their (now-annual) bowl (loss) like every other 
>> team? 
>>     
>  
> Harry: 
>   
>> Money talks. 
>>     
>  
> Steve and Harry are both right. However, why must the press continue to glut themselves at the Irish trough? The third estate is supposed to be unbiased. (Yeah! Right!) 
>  
> New York City professional sports and Notre Dame football have much in common. The Philadelphia Eagles have soared back from the dead to win their division; meanwhile the Giants have been digging their own grave. Yet all you heard hour after hour last week on ESPN and the NFL Network were stories about the Giants. GO EAGLES! 
>  
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  4 19:46:00 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Thu Jan  4 19:46:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
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> ideas.).  ND's  putative 
> "entitlement" to be invited to the BCS "Dance" is
> just a further  indictment of the 
> whole system and does nothing to enhance Dome U.'s 
> reputation.  I have never 
> felt the visceral hate that some of you have for 
> ND--probably because I grew 

That's it right there -- I certainly don't hate the
institution itself. It's a fine school and beautiful
campus/stadium. A friend of mine from high school went
there and it's a top-notch education all the way.

But the reason I may enjoy throwing in a few jabs now
and the (OK, maybe more :) ) is their sense of
entitlement from their football program. Do they have
an amazing history? Yes. But it's a new era in college
football and they need to stop getting these free
passes -- regardless of whether it was used in this
year's selection, it's ridiculous that it's even
there.

And what irks me and others even more is that these
special exceptions are just feeding the ND monster
because it guarantees a $17 million payday that they
will not share, unlike every other BCS team that has a
conference. Yet if they fail to get into a BCS bowl,
they somehow fall into the Big East's bowl ties. I
don't know why the Big East agreed to this, but it's
ridiculous to let them have it "both ways" and have
their own hype machine, er, TV network.

Would I drop all of this grudge if they woke up,
listened to their academic faculty and joined the Big
Ten? Yes. It'd be great for the league and for Notre
Dame (c'mon - why play for the Commander in Chief
trophy every year ... play for a Big Ten
Championship!). But in the meantime, they get to have
their cake and eat it too and are stealing millions of
dollars from BCS coffers that they really haven't
earned on anything other than past glories.

You'd hope sooner or later the Big Ten would wake up
and stop giving ND two or three respectable games per
year ... or that the BCS schools would wise up and
stop letting them slip in the back door to take money
away from their conferences ... or that instead of the
constant hype during yet another nationally televised
blowout of the Irish that the commentators would
actually dare to ask the question hanging around the
BCS bowls like a 2-ton gorilla: DO THE IRISH DESERVE
TO BE IN THIS BOWL GAME?

But until then, we'll just have to rant on the 'net
and take delight in watching the likes of Oregon
State, NC State, LSU and Ohio State hand out thorough
beatings to Irish teams that come into the game
complaining that they get no respect. When you haven't
won a bowl game in 13 years, you gotta earn it!:) And
in a league like the Big Ten, you can, as we did
coming from nowhere in 1995. But until NBC and the BCS
stop feeding the ego, I guess that won't happen.

Next year's schedule starts out challenging as usual
thanks to their "half of a Big Ten schedule" tour
(games at PSU and Michigan with a new QB could be like
what we saw for PSU heading into South Bend and
Columbus this year) ... but tapers off quickly except
for USC's visit to South Bend. But they'll probably go
9-3 and head for another BCS berth.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Thu Jan  4 20:32:20 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Thu Jan  4 20:32:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
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Actually, they no longer get $17 million when they get in a BCS game,   
Under the new arrangement which went into effect this year, ND gets $4.5 
million in years it plays in a BCS game, or shows up like this year, and 
a guaranteed $1 million ( consider it revenue sharing for not being in a 
conference) for years in which it doesn't make a game.

I haven't yet really figured out why the Big East has accepted the 
reduced deal ND gave them of three games each year in return for 
continued access to the Big East bowls.  The Big East should have said 
all in or get out altogether and find somewhere else for your Olympic 
sports.
Mark

SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
>> ideas.).  ND's  putative 
>> "entitlement" to be invited to the BCS "Dance" is
>> just a further  indictment of the 
>> whole system and does nothing to enhance Dome U.'s 
>> reputation.  I have never 
>> felt the visceral hate that some of you have for 
>> ND--probably because I grew 
>>     
>
> That's it right there -- I certainly don't hate the
> institution itself. It's a fine school and beautiful
> campus/stadium. A friend of mine from high school went
> there and it's a top-notch education all the way.
>
> But the reason I may enjoy throwing in a few jabs now
> and the (OK, maybe more :) ) is their sense of
> entitlement from their football program. Do they have
> an amazing history? Yes. But it's a new era in college
> football and they need to stop getting these free
> passes -- regardless of whether it was used in this
> year's selection, it's ridiculous that it's even
> there.
>
> And what irks me and others even more is that these
> special exceptions are just feeding the ND monster
> because it guarantees a $17 million payday that they
> will not share, unlike every other BCS team that has a
> conference. Yet if they fail to get into a BCS bowl,
> they somehow fall into the Big East's bowl ties. I
> don't know why the Big East agreed to this, but it's
> ridiculous to let them have it "both ways" and have
> their own hype machine, er, TV network.
>
> Would I drop all of this grudge if they woke up,
> listened to their academic faculty and joined the Big
> Ten? Yes. It'd be great for the league and for Notre
> Dame (c'mon - why play for the Commander in Chief
> trophy every year ... play for a Big Ten
> Championship!). But in the meantime, they get to have
> their cake and eat it too and are stealing millions of
> dollars from BCS coffers that they really haven't
> earned on anything other than past glories.
>
> You'd hope sooner or later the Big Ten would wake up
> and stop giving ND two or three respectable games per
> year ... or that the BCS schools would wise up and
> stop letting them slip in the back door to take money
> away from their conferences ... or that instead of the
> constant hype during yet another nationally televised
> blowout of the Irish that the commentators would
> actually dare to ask the question hanging around the
> BCS bowls like a 2-ton gorilla: DO THE IRISH DESERVE
> TO BE IN THIS BOWL GAME?
>
> But until then, we'll just have to rant on the 'net
> and take delight in watching the likes of Oregon
> State, NC State, LSU and Ohio State hand out thorough
> beatings to Irish teams that come into the game
> complaining that they get no respect. When you haven't
> won a bowl game in 13 years, you gotta earn it!:) And
> in a league like the Big Ten, you can, as we did
> coming from nowhere in 1995. But until NBC and the BCS
> stop feeding the ego, I guess that won't happen.
>
> Next year's schedule starts out challenging as usual
> thanks to their "half of a Big Ten schedule" tour
> (games at PSU and Michigan with a new QB could be like
> what we saw for PSU heading into South Bend and
> Columbus this year) ... but tapers off quickly except
> for USC's visit to South Bend. But they'll probably go
> 9-3 and head for another BCS berth.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
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From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan  4 23:28:40 2007
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Thu Jan  4 23:28:45 2007
Subject: anti-ND blather (was Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...)
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Stephen, you just won't shut up when it comes to Notre Dame, will you?

"entitlement", "stealing", "hype, "deserve", "exceptions", blah blah blah.  
You want to believe the evil scheming people at ND are secretly engineering 
the actions of the bowl system to their advantage, along with the media who 
eternally conspire to trumpet the ND myth.  But remember Occam's Razor: the 
simplest explanation is usually the best one.  So, since you clearly haven't 
figured it out yet, allow me to let you in on a couple secrets:
1) Bowls are about money.  Period.
2) Notre Dame has a lot of fans.  Period.

A program with a large fanbase is always, always--yes always---going to 
receive preferential treatment.  Bowl committees are acting perfectly 
rationally when they choose to pass up a #9 team in order to select a #11 
team that is certain to bring more fans & attention to their game.  You can 
bang your spoon on your highchair until next week about The Unfairness Of It 
All, but it is what it is.

Then you state that if ND joins the Big Ten, you'll "drop your grudge"?  For 
crying out loud, since when is being a member of a conference somehow more 
noble and righteous than being independent?  Give it a rest, already, or 
think of something original to say for a change.

-Art Miller




>From: "SjT (Stephen J. Truog)" <sjtruog@yahoo.com>
>To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...
>Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:46:00 -0800 (PST)
>
> > ideas.).  ND's  putative
> > "entitlement" to be invited to the BCS "Dance" is
> > just a further  indictment of the
> > whole system and does nothing to enhance Dome U.'s
> > reputation.  I have never
> > felt the visceral hate that some of you have for
> > ND--probably because I grew
>
>That's it right there -- I certainly don't hate the
>institution itself. It's a fine school and beautiful
>campus/stadium. A friend of mine from high school went
>there and it's a top-notch education all the way.
>
>But the reason I may enjoy throwing in a few jabs now
>and the (OK, maybe more :) ) is their sense of
>entitlement from their football program. Do they have
>an amazing history? Yes. But it's a new era in college
>football and they need to stop getting these free
>passes -- regardless of whether it was used in this
>year's selection, it's ridiculous that it's even
>there.
>
>And what irks me and others even more is that these
>special exceptions are just feeding the ND monster
>because it guarantees a $17 million payday that they
>will not share, unlike every other BCS team that has a
>conference. Yet if they fail to get into a BCS bowl,
>they somehow fall into the Big East's bowl ties. I
>don't know why the Big East agreed to this, but it's
>ridiculous to let them have it "both ways" and have
>their own hype machine, er, TV network.
>
>Would I drop all of this grudge if they woke up,
>listened to their academic faculty and joined the Big
>Ten? Yes. It'd be great for the league and for Notre
>Dame (c'mon - why play for the Commander in Chief
>trophy every year ... play for a Big Ten
>Championship!). But in the meantime, they get to have
>their cake and eat it too and are stealing millions of
>dollars from BCS coffers that they really haven't
>earned on anything other than past glories.
>
>You'd hope sooner or later the Big Ten would wake up
>and stop giving ND two or three respectable games per
>year ... or that the BCS schools would wise up and
>stop letting them slip in the back door to take money
>away from their conferences ... or that instead of the
>constant hype during yet another nationally televised
>blowout of the Irish that the commentators would
>actually dare to ask the question hanging around the
>BCS bowls like a 2-ton gorilla: DO THE IRISH DESERVE
>TO BE IN THIS BOWL GAME?
>
>But until then, we'll just have to rant on the 'net
>and take delight in watching the likes of Oregon
>State, NC State, LSU and Ohio State hand out thorough
>beatings to Irish teams that come into the game
>complaining that they get no respect. When you haven't
>won a bowl game in 13 years, you gotta earn it!:) And
>in a league like the Big Ten, you can, as we did
>coming from nowhere in 1995. But until NBC and the BCS
>stop feeding the ego, I guess that won't happen.
>
>Next year's schedule starts out challenging as usual
>thanks to their "half of a Big Ten schedule" tour
>(games at PSU and Michigan with a new QB could be like
>what we saw for PSU heading into South Bend and
>Columbus this year) ... but tapers off quickly except
>for USC's visit to South Bend. But they'll probably go
>9-3 and head for another BCS berth.
>
>GO CATS!!!
>-SjT
>
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Thu Jan  4 23:43:45 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan  4 23:43:57 2007
Subject: anti-ND blather (was Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...)
Message-ID: <cf3.662c300.32cf3f91@aol.com>

Art, 
 
While you are correct that bowl games are "about money", that explanation  
doesn't make it right.  When NU was screwed out of the Outback Bowl in  2000, I 
think it was, and sent instead to the Alamo Bowl to get eviscerated by  
Nebraska, everyone lost--the Wildcats and their fans (us); fans of well-balanced  
college football post-season games; and the credibility that comes when one gets 
 what one earns--on the field.  We belonged in Tampa that year, not San  
Antonio, but because we didn't have the hype and the rep and the "traveling  
circus" of fans, we were sent indoors to get slaughtered by the Huskier  Huskers.   
 Notre Dame basically "buys" their way into the BCS as  it stands now.  If 
you feel that such a system is just and in the interest  of the game of College 
FB, then you can continue to support such an unlevel  playing field.  As for 
me (and apparently Stephen), I think the system  stinks.  The only redeeming 
moments are when the Boise States of the world  upset the financial "applecart" 
for the Powers such as Oklahoma and their  sycophantic supporters at the BCS 
and on the Bowl Committees.  I cast my  vote for parity and for a rising up of 
the "excluded".  The most compelling  story in last year's NCAA Hoops Tourney 
was George Mason (not Florida), and the  most compelling stories this College F
B season are Boise State, Wake Forest and  Rutgers (3 schools that we 'Cat 
fans should identify with, as we know what it is  like to wear "Cinderalla's 
shoe").  Notre Dame's "shortcut" into BCS $$ and  glory (although I am not sure 
how much glory there is in continual bowl defeats)  should be eliminated once 
and for all.   They need to make it the  "old-fashioned way", as the Smith & 
Barney commercial put it--they need to  "earn" their invitation, not inherit it 
every year.
 
Paul Levinson
From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  5 00:33:30 2007
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Fri Jan  5 00:33:34 2007
Subject: anti-ND blather (was Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...)
In-Reply-To: <cf3.662c300.32cf3f91@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-F22034BEDCAB3A1659CD2E38ABF0@phx.gbl>

Let's first address the unfairness of big-fanbase teams being selected over 
small-fanbase teams with better records:  On one hand, I agree that it's not 
fair, in the sense that (for example) Charlie Weis & the current players and 
staff at ND deserve preferential treatment.  They personally haven't done 
anything to deserve such treatment, and are riding the legacy of prior 
players and staffs.

Think about it a little deeper, however, and it seems perfectly fair that 
the ND or Nebraska as institutions *do* deserve preferential treatment.  
While Northwestern was declining to make the investments necessary to 
compete at the highest level, and while the Boise States of the world 
weren't even competing in I-A football, the Notre Dames and Nebraskas WERE 
doing these things.  In doing so, they built the foundation of the awesome 
spectacle that college football is today.  For better or worse, those 
programs have--dare we say it?--earned their large fanbases through decades 
of consistent success and unwavering commitment to excellence.

I'm not saying everything these programs have done along the way has been 
good and honorable, but let's not kid ourselves that NU has always been 
above reproach, either.  The NU administration of the late 70s and 80s 
seemed perfectly willing to allow the program to slide into a state of 
disrepair--but was happy to enjoy the financial benefits of being part of a 
conference where many other members were making sustained investments in 
their programs and building fanbases.  THAT's hypocrisy, people.

Let me also address the "compelling" nature of the Boise State situation as 
well:  Like many of you, I enjoyed watching them beat OU on Monday night.  
But there's an element of this that sticks in my craw, and it's this:  Boise 
State's gaudy record is entirely related to their being in a predominantly 
weaker conference.  Put them in the Big Ten, where they may have to up 
against the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Penn State on four 
consecutive weeks, and there's no way (pardon me, NO WAY IN HELL) they make 
a BCS bowl.  They might do well, might even finish 8-4 or 9-3, but their 
"compelling story" goes right out the window, and Boise State goes to the 
Sun Bowl to play Oregon State.

NU in 1995 was a compelling story, because it was a team that announced 
itself to the world with a stunning upset over a traditional power, and then 
slogged its way through a brutal conference schedule, eventually running the 
table.  To compare that team with this year's Boise State team is, IMHO, 
missing the point completely.

Did NU get "screwed" in 2000?  Yes, perhaps.  But theoretically we should 
have had an easier opponent than if we'd gone to the Outback, and in the end 
it's nobody's fault but our own that we lost 66-17.



>From: NEONRye@aol.com
>To: artmiller1@hotmail.com, sjtruog@yahoo.com, nwu-sports@tssi.com
>Subject: Re: anti-ND blather (was Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...)
>Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:43:45 EST
>
>Art,
>
>While you are correct that bowl games are "about money", that explanation
>doesn't make it right.  When NU was screwed out of the Outback Bowl in  
>2000, I
>think it was, and sent instead to the Alamo Bowl to get eviscerated by
>Nebraska, everyone lost--the Wildcats and their fans (us); fans of 
>well-balanced
>college football post-season games; and the credibility that comes when one 
>gets
>  what one earns--on the field.  We belonged in Tampa that year, not San
>Antonio, but because we didn't have the hype and the rep and the "traveling
>circus" of fans, we were sent indoors to get slaughtered by the Huskier  
>Huskers.
>  Notre Dame basically "buys" their way into the BCS as  it stands now.  If
>you feel that such a system is just and in the interest  of the game of 
>College
>FB, then you can continue to support such an unlevel  playing field.  As 
>for
>me (and apparently Stephen), I think the system  stinks.  The only 
>redeeming
>moments are when the Boise States of the world  upset the financial 
>"applecart"
>for the Powers such as Oklahoma and their  sycophantic supporters at the 
>BCS
>and on the Bowl Committees.  I cast my  vote for parity and for a rising up 
>of
>the "excluded".  The most compelling  story in last year's NCAA Hoops 
>Tourney
>was George Mason (not Florida), and the  most compelling stories this 
>College F
>B season are Boise State, Wake Forest and  Rutgers (3 schools that we 'Cat
>fans should identify with, as we know what it is  like to wear 
>"Cinderalla's
>shoe").  Notre Dame's "shortcut" into BCS $$ and  glory (although I am not 
>sure
>how much glory there is in continual bowl defeats)  should be eliminated 
>once
>and for all.   They need to make it the  "old-fashioned way", as the Smith 
>&
>Barney commercial put it--they need to  "earn" their invitation, not 
>inherit it
>every year.
>
>Paul Levinson

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From tbng at comcast.net  Fri Jan  5 06:16:33 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Fri Jan  5 06:16:42 2007
Subject: anti-ND blather (was Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...)
References: <BAY106-F2501EFD5A0975D6D199D48ABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001301c730c3$56f12a30$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

> Stephen, you just won't shut up when it comes to Notre Dame, will you?
> 1) Bowls are about money.  Period.
> 2) Notre Dame has a lot of fans.  Period.

C'mon, Art.  Speak your mind.  Don't be reticent like me.

Of course Notre Dame is "engineering the actions of the bowl system to their 
advantage," just not "secretly."  You said it:  "Bowls are about money. 
Period."   Why should Notre Dame be any less eager to grab the spoils than 
anyone else?  If you had an advantage, wouldn't you take it?  Notre Dame is 
not breaking any law, but that does not mean that their preferential 
treatment it is fair and should be permitted by college football. 

From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Fri Jan  5 07:04:08 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Fri Jan  5 07:05:20 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day
Message-ID: <20070105.050413.945.546494@webmail57.nyc.untd.com>

The alamo bowl debacle has been brought up and that made me think of 
our bowl futility as compared to ND.

5 straight lossses.  
Did we underachieve or were we the lesster team?  
Were they just bad matchups?  
Was it the standard Big Ten bowl, which road game for us and a home 
game for the opponent?

Here are my theories
Sun Bowl -- opponent better, good matchup, neutral field
Motor City Bowl -- NU equal, good matchup, neutral field
Alamo Bowl -- NU equal, bad matchup, away game
Citrus Bowl -- opponent better, good matchup, away game
Rose Bowl -- NU better, good matchup, away game

I think the Sun, Motor City, and the Rose were our best chances for 
wins as we had at least 2 out of three not being to our disadvantage.

For the Rose we had the best situation, however the Big Ten in general 
does a major choke job vs. USC.

************

Signing Day is Wednesday, February 7th.  
Anyone know why it has been changed to a 2pm event instead of evening?
Also why it is not at NU and instead at the ESPNZone in Chicago?

We go every year, but to have to take a half/full day vacation to 
watch signing day makes our attendance this year seem unlikely.


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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Jan  5 08:44:04 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  5 08:44:19 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day
Message-ID: <bb9.e75e359.32cfbe34@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/5/2007 5:06:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
mlinhardt@netzero.net writes:

> Here are my theories
> Sun Bowl -- opponent better, good matchup, neutral field
> Motor City Bowl -- NU equal, good matchup, neutral field
> Alamo Bowl -- NU equal, bad matchup, away game
> Citrus Bowl -- opponent better, good matchup, away game
> Rose Bowl -- NU better, good matchup, away game
> 
> 

All probably true--though the last 2 , I think 1 key missing player in both 
games really hurt.  Fitz could have broken up at least a couple of killer 
passes to Johnson in the Rose Bowl (that's about all we needed to have won ) , and  
without Ishmaeli's expulsion , he may have saved a few TD passes from 
Manning--(remember we were down 21-0 and came back to tie it early)

Harry
From NEONRye at aol.com  Fri Jan  5 09:37:29 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  5 09:37:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day
Message-ID: <cd2.784b814.32cfcab9@aol.com>

Having been present at both games, I think Harry may be right about the  Rose 
Bowl, but I beg to differ on the Citrus Bowl.  I don't think we could  have 
beaten Payton Manning that day if we were permitted to play 13 men on  defense! 
 He was too good, and Tennessee had too much speed and athleticism  for us, 
even if we did make a great comeback.  The vision of Manning  hitting Peerless 
Price on that slant pass and Price taking it all the way down  the field, 
passing our defenders like they were sign posts, and going to "the  house" just 
before Halftime will always haunt me, as it was the pivot on which  the game 
turned against us for good.  Would Ismaeli have made the  difference there?   Not 
in my humble opinion.
 
Paul Levinson
From johnl at mac.com  Fri Jan  5 10:30:58 2007
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Fri Jan  5 10:31:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day
In-Reply-To: <20070105.050413.945.546494@webmail57.nyc.untd.com>
References: <20070105.050413.945.546494@webmail57.nyc.untd.com>
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Just one comment:

Was the Rose Bowl in 96 an "away" game for us?  I was just reminiscing about this the other day.  By my reckoning, the 1996 Rose Bowl was the largest gathering of NU football fans in history.  I recall that the stadium was more than half purple.  The entire city of Los Angeles was apparently giddy about Northwestern in the Rose Bowl, from purple de-icing fluid at LAX to Charlton Heston parting the purple sea.

Is this an inaccurate recollection?


 
On Friday, January 05, 2007, at 07:08AM, "mlinhardt@netzero.net" <mlinhardt@netzero.net> wrote:
>The alamo bowl debacle has been brought up and that made me think of 
>our bowl futility as compared to ND.
>
>5 straight lossses.  
>Did we underachieve or were we the lesster team?  
>Were they just bad matchups?  
>Was it the standard Big Ten bowl, which road game for us and a home 
>game for the opponent?
>
>Here are my theories
>Sun Bowl -- opponent better, good matchup, neutral field
>Motor City Bowl -- NU equal, good matchup, neutral field
>Alamo Bowl -- NU equal, bad matchup, away game
>Citrus Bowl -- opponent better, good matchup, away game
>Rose Bowl -- NU better, good matchup, away game
>
>I think the Sun, Motor City, and the Rose were our best chances for 
>wins as we had at least 2 out of three not being to our disadvantage.
>
>For the Rose we had the best situation, however the Big Ten in general 
>does a major choke job vs. USC.
>
>************
>
>Signing Day is Wednesday, February 7th.  
>Anyone know why it has been changed to a 2pm event instead of evening?
>Also why it is not at NU and instead at the ESPNZone in Chicago?
>
>We go every year, but to have to take a half/full day vacation to 
>watch signing day makes our attendance this year seem unlikely.
>
>
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Fri Jan  5 10:40:16 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Fri Jan  5 10:40:45 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day
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In a message dated 1/5/2007 8:32:25 AM Pacific Standard Time, johnl@mac.com  
writes:

Was the  Rose Bowl in 96 an "away" game for us?  I was just reminiscing about 
this  the other day.  By my reckoning, the 1996 Rose Bowl was the largest  
gathering of NU football fans in history.  I recall that the stadium was  more 
than half purple.  The entire city of Los Angeles was apparently  giddy about 
Northwestern in the Rose Bowl, from purple de-icing fluid at LAX  to Charlton 
Heston parting the purple sea.

Is this an inaccurate  recollection?





Yes, i would say it is accurate--however, having to travel to LA vs being  
there (i.e.USC) --must have contributed to a feeling of an away game--not to  
mention that USC plays there every other year, and none of our players had ever  
played there before ( I don't think we had any PAC-10 transfers )--so there 
were  certain aspects of an away game ans well as home game  -We also looked  
so nervouse in the 1st quarter when USC marched right down the field -but just  
think if the game had been played at Soldiers Field--I have to believe , it  
would have felt a lot different for both teams--and could have made a  
difference--
 
Harry
 
Harry
From alan.abrahamson at nbcuni.com  Fri Jan  5 10:50:48 2007
From: alan.abrahamson at nbcuni.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Fri Jan  5 10:51:13 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day
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 Interesting thread ...
 I was also at both the 1996 Rose and 1997 Citrus games, and I
respectfully beg to differ with Mr. Levinson. I think Ismaeli would have
made a difference. He remains the best defensive back Northwestern has
had in recent memory, and while of course we will never know what impact
he would have made in the game I think it would have been significant.
 Sherrick McManus evokes memories of Ismaeli, doesn't he?
 Alamo Bowl 2000: let's not forget the Iowa loss that year, which
consigned the Wildcats to Texas and, ultimately, that 66-17 beating.
 1996 Rose Bowl: Wildcats wore black, USC white jerseys. That would have
made Northwestern the home team. I covered this year's Rose Bowl and
wore my 1996 NU Rose sweatshirt in the press box. It drew a few
comments.
  Also on my mind:
 -- Now that this year's bowl season is almost over, I think it's time
for Mr. Truog to start keeping a list now -- in the spirit of his weekly
picks -- about which bowl the Wildcats will grace next season. Assuming
Bacher is healthy, I am very optimistic about the next campaign.  
 -- In basketball, Cats lose, 83-57, to Penn State. Revolting. I was SO
hopeful that the 10-3 start presaged a real Big Ten campaign -- sigh ...
  -- Notre Dame in the BCS. ND has a unique and special place in the
college game. It always has and always will. To not acknowledge that is
to be blind. We can argue about it all we want and about whether they
deserve to take home $17 mil, or whatever, but, ma'am, the facts is the
facts. (Disclaimer: though I now work for NBC, I have nothing to do with
the macro picture of Notre Dame's football coverage. My only connection
to ND this year was covering the ND-USC game.)
 -- My 10-year-old son has discovered football this year and has become
a complete and total USC honk. This may have something to do with the
fact that his uncle went there, his cousin went there, etc., or the
notion that, like all 10-year-old boys, he is a front-runner and he and
his fourth-grade crew have seen USC lose only a handful of times since
the crew started out together in kindergarten. It's something of a
mystery to me since, of course, Northwestern football is my own
particular brand of mental illness and the boy's mother, the hot blonde
wife, went to Berkeley. (Many mother-son bets were made in the stands
this year during the Cal-USC game.)
  By the way, few things in life are as fantastic as the moment when
your son becomes conversant enough in football so that you can have a
real discussion with him about, say, John David Booty's worthiness as a
successor to Matt Leinart or whether the Saints with Reggie Bush are
likely to make it to the Super Bowl. At any rate ...
  - All of you USC haters out there: Pete Carroll is an extraordinary
college coach. I'm not sure, as I wrote the other day in a column,
whether the investigations into dealings last year by Bush or Bush's
family go anywhere. Let's say for the sake of argument that they don't.
Look at Carroll's record since he came to USC. He plays anyone,
anywhere, and almost always wins.
  - USC has, under the current president, Steve Sample, become a far
more rigorous academic institution. It's now much more than just the
stereotyped University for Spoiled Children. It is indeed more than a
good school. It's a legitimate world-class institution as befits the
second-largest city in the United States. None of this is intended to
besmirch UCLA's academic standing or take away from the 13-9 Bruin win
or anything. Just saying for anyone out there still stuck on a 1970s or
1980s version of USC -- time to wake up and smell Tommy Trojan's coffee.
 And now, Mr. Bendat, and others, I await your spirited replies! I don't
intend to take up a full-scale defense of USC. Just noting what anyone
who has paid attention to what's been going on down there at Figueroa
and Exposition can readily see ...
 Alan
    
  

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Having been present at both games, I think Harry may be right about the
Rose Bowl, but I beg to differ on the Citrus Bowl.  I don't think we
could  have beaten Payton Manning that day if we were permitted to play
13 men on  defense! 
 He was too good, and Tennessee had too much speed and athleticism  for
us, even if we did make a great comeback.  The vision of Manning
hitting Peerless Price on that slant pass and Price taking it all the
way down  the field, passing our defenders like they were sign posts,
and going to "the  house" just before Halftime will always haunt me, as
it was the pivot on which  the game 
turned against us for good.  Would Ismaeli have made the  difference
there?   Not 
in my humble opinion.
 
Paul Levinson
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Fri Jan  5 10:54:23 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Fri Jan  5 10:56:58 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day
Message-ID: <20070105.085523.3420.1602499@webmail58.nyc.untd.com>

My definition of away vs. home for non-conference games is as follows:
Does  you or the opponent play at home in the stadium?
Does your conference or the opponent's conference play at home in the 
stadium?
Does your conference or the opponent's conference play at home in the 
same state?
Is the weather similar to either team/conference weather at that time 
of year?  Even in cases of a dome I think bowl game weather is a big 
factor.

That is why I considered only Motor City and Sun Bowl as neutral sites.

-- John Labbe <johnl@mac.com> wrote:
Just one comment:

Was the Rose Bowl in 96 an "away" game for us?  I was just reminiscing 
about this the other day.  By my reckoning, the 1996 Rose Bowl was the 
largest gathering of NU football fans in history.  I recall that the 
stadium was more than half purple.  The entire city of Los Angeles was 
apparently giddy about Northwestern in the Rose Bowl, from purple de-
icing fluid at LAX to Charlton Heston parting the purple sea.

Is this an inaccurate recollection?


 
On Friday, January 05, 2007, at 07:08AM, "mlinhardt@netzero.net" 
<mlinhardt@netzero.net> wrote:
>The alamo bowl debacle has been brought up and that made me think of 
>our bowl futility as compared to ND.
>
>5 straight lossses.  
>Did we underachieve or were we the lesster team?  
>Were they just bad matchups?  
>Was it the standard Big Ten bowl, which road game for us and a home 
>game for the opponent?
>
>Here are my theories
>Sun Bowl -- opponent better, good matchup, neutral field
>Motor City Bowl -- NU equal, good matchup, neutral field
>Alamo Bowl -- NU equal, bad matchup, away game
>Citrus Bowl -- opponent better, good matchup, away game
>Rose Bowl -- NU better, good matchup, away game
>
>I think the Sun, Motor City, and the Rose were our best chances for 
>wins as we had at least 2 out of three not being to our disadvantage.
>
>For the Rose we had the best situation, however the Big Ten in 
general 
>does a major choke job vs. USC.
>
>************
>
>Signing Day is Wednesday, February 7th.  
>Anyone know why it has been changed to a 2pm event instead of evening?
>Also why it is not at NU and instead at the ESPNZone in Chicago?
>
>We go every year, but to have to take a half/full day vacation to 
>watch signing day makes our attendance this year seem unlikely.
>
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From tmcadams at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  5 11:03:40 2007
From: tmcadams at yahoo.com (Trey McAdams)
Date: Fri Jan  5 11:03:45 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day
Message-ID: <20070105170341.68737.qmail@web52213.mail.yahoo.com>

I think the Rose Bowl was a case of game being played on the opponents home field (or very close) where we actually had more people at the game than they did.  You also need to consider that USC has played probably 60 games in the Rose Bowl (30+ Rose Bowl games and I am guessing 30+ USC v. UCLA games).

The reverse of this is hosting Wisconsin, Michigan, or OSU at Ryan field and having them have more fans there than we do.

Not sure if this answers the "away" game question or not.

----- Original Message ----
From: John Labbe <johnl@mac.com>
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Just one comment:

Was the Rose Bowl in 96 an "away" game for us?  I was just reminiscing about this the other day.  By my reckoning, the 1996 Rose Bowl was the largest gathering of NU football fans in history.  I recall that the stadium was more than half purple.  The entire city of Los Angeles was apparently giddy about Northwestern in the Rose Bowl, from purple de-icing fluid at LAX to Charlton Heston parting the purple sea.

Is this an inaccurate recollection?


 
On Friday, January 05, 2007, at 07:08AM, "mlinhardt@netzero.net" <mlinhardt@netzero.net> wrote:
>The alamo bowl debacle has been brought up and that made me think of 
>our bowl futility as compared to ND.
>
>5 straight lossses.  
>Did we underachieve or were we the lesster team?  
>Were they just bad matchups?  
>Was it the standard Big Ten bowl, which road game for us and a home 
>game for the opponent?
>
>Here are my theories
>Sun Bowl -- opponent better, good matchup, neutral field
>Motor City Bowl -- NU equal, good matchup, neutral field
>Alamo Bowl -- NU equal, bad matchup, away game
>Citrus Bowl -- opponent better, good matchup, away game
>Rose Bowl -- NU better, good matchup, away game
>
>I think the Sun, Motor City, and the Rose were our best chances for 
>wins as we had at least 2 out of three not being to our disadvantage.
>
>For the Rose we had the best situation, however the Big Ten in general 
>does a major choke job vs. USC.
>
>************
>
>Signing Day is Wednesday, February 7th.  
>Anyone know why it has been changed to a 2pm event instead of evening?
>Also why it is not at NU and instead at the ESPNZone in Chicago?
>
>We go every year, but to have to take a half/full day vacation to 
>watch signing day makes our attendance this year seem unlikely.
>
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From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Fri Jan  5 11:04:32 2007
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Fri Jan  5 11:04:39 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day
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I remember a comment from Steve Schnur after the game.  He said he couldn't
believe it when he walked out onto the field, more than 3/4 of the crowd was
in purple and cheering for the Cats.  Based on the aerial poster I have of
the game, it was more like 7/8 purple.

-----Original Message-----
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To: mlinhardt@netzero.net
Cc: maureen.linhardt@plexus.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day

Just one comment:

Was the Rose Bowl in 96 an "away" game for us?  I was just reminiscing about
this the other day.  By my reckoning, the 1996 Rose Bowl was the largest
gathering of NU football fans in history.  I recall that the stadium was
more than half purple.  The entire city of Los Angeles was apparently giddy
about Northwestern in the Rose Bowl, from purple de-icing fluid at LAX to
Charlton Heston parting the purple sea.

Is this an inaccurate recollection?


 



From thehaze at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  5 18:59:53 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Fri Jan  5 18:59:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day
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Okay, Alan, you wanted my reply!  Happy New Year, by the way.  I choose 
to respond only to the very sad part of your post that relates to your 
ten-year old son.  While it is certainly true that SC's academics have 
improved,  this change has nothing to do with the football team.  My 
NU-student daughter has a very close friend who goes to SC.  What I hear 
is that the SC football players live in a world unto themselves, not 
living with or relating to the student body as a whole.  They still take 
classes that are a joke, just as they were in the McKay and Robinson 
days.  It's not like NU, where our players live in dorms and take 
regular classes with everyone else.  But, I digress.  Back to your son!  
In response, I can tell you what things were like around my house just a 
few years ago as my three kids were being raised.  Like most kids, they 
would see toys and they would say, "I want this.  I want that."  After a 
while, I would simply say, "Just tell me what you don't want."  My kids 
would then say, "I don't want to go to SC!"  -- Jim B.

Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal) wrote:
>    My 10-year-old son has discovered football this year and has become
> a complete and total USC honk. This may have something to do with the
> fact that his uncle went there, his cousin went there, etc., or the
> notion that, like all 10-year-old boys, he is a front-runner and he and
> his fourth-grade crew have seen USC lose only a handful of times since
> the crew started out together in kindergarten. It's something of a
> mystery to me since, of course, Northwestern football is my own
> particular brand of mental illness and the boy's mother, the hot blonde
> wife, went to Berkeley. (Many mother-son bets were made in the stands
> this year during the Cal-USC game.)
>    By the way, few things in life are as fantastic as the moment when
> your son becomes conversant enough in football so that you can have a
> real discussion with him about, say, John David Booty's worthiness as a
> successor to Matt Leinart or whether the Saints with Reggie Bush are
> likely to make it to the Super Bowl. At any rate ...
>    And now, Mr. Bendat, and others, I await your spirited replies! I don't
> intend to take up a full-scale defense of USC. Just noting what anyone
> who has paid attention to what's been going on down there at Figueroa
> and Exposition can readily see ...
>  Alan
>   
>     
>   

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Fri Jan  5 19:03:33 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Fri Jan  5 19:03:39 2007
Subject: anti-ND blather (was Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...)
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You know what, I think Boise State would have finished no worse than 
third place in the Big Ten this year, maybe even second behind Ohio 
State.  And, by the way, they already easily defeated Oregon State 
during the regular season.

Arthur Miller wrote:
> Let me also address the "compelling" nature of the Boise State 
> situation as well:  Like many of you, I enjoyed watching them beat OU 
> on Monday night.  But there's an element of this that sticks in my 
> craw, and it's this:  Boise State's gaudy record is entirely related 
> to their being in a predominantly weaker conference.  Put them in the 
> Big Ten, where they may have to up against the likes of Michigan, Ohio 
> State, Wisconsin, and Penn State on four consecutive weeks, and 
> there's no way (pardon me, NO WAY IN HELL) they make a BCS bowl.  They 
> might do well, might even finish 8-4 or 9-3, but their "compelling 
> story" goes right out the window, and Boise State goes to the Sun Bowl 
> to play Oregon State.
>

From khaderach at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  5 22:38:30 2007
From: khaderach at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Bowser)
Date: Fri Jan  5 22:38:33 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] College Fight Songs on Itunes
Message-ID: <20070106043830.81393.qmail@web80810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The Itunes home page is featuring the fight songs of 17 "top teams" this bowl season. They must be going on promise, because we made the list. :)

Obviously, in our case its more about the song than the team this season. However, it is the Michigan band's version of Go U Northwestern, which is a pale, passionless shadow of NUMB's stirring rendition.

OSU, UMich, MSU, Wisc, and Purdue made the list too. 

Go U,
Wildcat Bryan

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  5 23:52:07 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Fri Jan  5 23:52:11 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day
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>  Interesting thread ...
>  I was also at both the 1996 Rose and 1997 Citrus
> games, and I
> respectfully beg to differ with Mr. Levinson. I
> think Ismaeli would have
> made a difference. He remains the best defensive

I think I'll differ with Alan here - Ismaeli was a
great blitzer, but not a standout corner -- Peyton was
fully in control that day. We played hard, but they
were clearly the better team.

One other interesting thing to note is that in the
first three bowls there, we were facing the preseason
#1 team in some publications at least. In the case of
the Vols and Huskers, they were probably both good
enough to play for the national title that year -- UT
just had their usual Florida jinx and Nebraska got the
bowl shaft after their loss. 

I didn't attend the Sun Bowl (I was hoping since we
were 1-0 in bowls I didn't attend and 0-4 where I went
that the trend would hold :) ) ... but the only bowl
of the first four I felt we SHOULD have won was the
Motor City. We just played too sloppy and wasted a
fantastic game by Wright.

As for the Rose, I agree that it was home field for
SC. Yes, the stands were 70,000+ purple (the figure I
always heard was around 71,000 -- second only to
Wisconsin's 74,000 in the 1994 Rose Bowl), but SC was
at home and comfortable early while we were starstruck
- we don't fall down 24-7 and that's a different game.

>  Sherrick McManus evokes memories of Ismaeli,
> doesn't he?

I actually think he's a much better cover corner. But
not the blitzer Ismaeli was ... yet.:) He's sure fun
to watch though!

>  Alamo Bowl 2000: let's not forget the Iowa loss
> that year, which
> consigned the Wildcats to Texas and, ultimately,

Still probably the most painful loss for me as a
Wildcat fan ... after the Michigan win, I was sure
we'd have enough to beat Iowa. The heartbreak was only
worsened later that day when MSU beat Purdue. We could
have had a chance to clinch a Rose Bowl berth on our
home field - something we didn't do in '95. $#&!
Iowa!:)

>  -- Now that this year's bowl season is almost over,
> I think it's time
> for Mr. Truog to start keeping a list now -- in the
> spirit of his weekly
> picks -- about which bowl the Wildcats will grace
> next season. Assuming

Hmm, that's an interesting question. I think there's
no question the league as a whole will be better next
year (we were definitely top heavy this year and not
as deep as usual). PSU, Wisky and Michigan all have a
bunch back and the bottom -- Illinois and Indiana --
are getting better.

But I like our schedule for once and I like that at
least we get the Wolverines and Bucknuts early.
Selfishly, I guess I'd love to see us come to the
beautiful Valley of the Sun for the Insight or Fiesta
Bowls. I think for reasons we've been over many times,
the Florida bowls are tough for us to crack because if
we don't win the conference (or even if we do - see
2000), we'll get passed over by Orlando and Tampa for
the traditional powers. San Antonio's a lovely place,
but Phoenix is perfect for the holidays!

>   -- Notre Dame in the BCS. ND has a unique and
> special place in the
> college game. It always has and always will. To not

Well, I don't want to push on this too much more:),
but I'll just say that I fully acknowledge that this
is the case and that it's the way it is. I'm just
raising the question in hopes it catches on that just
because something is the way it is, it isn't the way
it has to be.

> deserve to take home $17 mil, or whatever, but,
> ma'am, the facts is the

Oops, I did get that wrong. Sorry - it's the $4.5 mil,
so at least the BCS folks realized that they can't
give ND the full slice they give other schools
(actually though, that's probably another incentive to
pick ND - you only pay out $4.5 mil to them while
you'd have to pay out $17 mil to an at-large).

>  -- My 10-year-old son has discovered football this
> year and has become
> a complete and total USC honk. This may have

My deepest sympathies.:) It's kind of sad to see all
the kids at school each year here fall into the herd
and become Dallas Cowboys and USC Trojans fans. I
mean, I know the Cardinals are sad and ASU's erratic,
but there are options! I try and plant subliminal
purple as much as I can to help the future.:)

> successor to Matt Leinart or whether the Saints with
> Reggie Bush are
> likely to make it to the Super Bowl. At any rate ...

OK, I'll give SC a small pass for that one as a
lifelong Saints fan. THANK YOU!!! And thank you
Houston for passing on the Heisman winner - it was a
fun season. Though with SC distancing themselves from
Reggie (more than OJ even!), I guess I can still wear
my black and gold Saints jersey without acknowledging
SC's role in this.:)

>   - All of you USC haters out there: Pete Carroll is
> an extraordinary
> college coach. I'm not sure, as I wrote the other

No doubt there - and he seems like he's genuinely
having fun out there. Let's hope he doesn't get
Sabanitis and head for the NFL only to realize he
belongs in college. But it's kind of like OSU with
Tressel -- being raised a Michigan fan, the Buckeyes
are hated, but you gotta respect the heck out of
Tressel as a coach.

>  And now, Mr. Bendat, and others, I await your
> spirited replies! I don't
> intend to take up a full-scale defense of USC. Just

You've been in LaLa Land too long and that drone from
the SC band is getting to you!:) You can't show
weakness on the anti-USC front if there's any hope for
your son!:)

One more football note in this wide-reaching pigskin
e-mail ... interesting that there's not much talk of
the BCS title game here. Are we all just holding our
breath for Big Ten vindication after being scared off
by Michigan's massive egg ... or are we just not all
that able to wear the conference pride banner against
the SEC if it means having to cheer for the
Bucknuts?:)

Go Big Ten!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Jan  6 06:26:35 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Jan  6 06:26:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Ismaeli
References: <893348.55463.qm@web52902.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001001c7318d$e86129a0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

I agree McManus is the better cover man.  Ismaeli was a demon on the '95 
team but as the fifth defensive back used as a rover.  In that role he was a 
fantastic disrupter.  As a pure corner, he was not outstanding.  If you need 
proof, realize that he did not make the cut in the NFL. 

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Sat Jan  6 08:49:40 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Sat Jan  6 08:52:31 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Ismaeli
In-Reply-To: <001001c7318d$e86129a0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
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More is the beauty of college football.

Coaches have to scheme every year to take advantage of their strengths and
disguise their weaknesses.  Then as the games reveal the schemes and
injuries affect who can play, further adjustments have to occur to respond
to how the opposition will likely attack revealed weaknesses.

As much as I dislike USC (and I dislike them almost as much as OSU), you
have to hand it to their coaching staff.  They were both better prepared to
start the game and better prepared to respond to the anticipated adjustments
than Michigan.  

Michigan had been so successful all year with their zone blocked run play
that they had no plan B when USC just blew it up.  USC had a set of blitz
packages that they seemed to run on virtually every down that were designed
to defeat the zone blocking scheme and prevent the short pass.  By the time
that Michigan had figured out the holes in that scheme, USC had turned the
game into a shootout and Michigan ran out of time and bullets.

On offense, USC just went at Morgan Trent all night and Michigan couldn't
seem to figure out a way to protect him.  

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: [NU Sports] Ismaeli

I agree McManus is the better cover man.  Ismaeli was a demon on the '95
team but as the fifth defensive back used as a rover.  In that role he was a
fantastic disrupter.  As a pure corner, he was not outstanding.  If you need
proof, realize that he did not make the cut in the NFL. 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  6 12:56:09 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan  6 12:55:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Chat during the game
Message-ID: <002101c731c4$54254c30$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

See if our Cats can come back

http://client1.addonchat.com/sc.php?id=122893

See ya

rsl

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  6 14:22:10 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sat Jan  6 14:22:11 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] For DirecTV viewers ...
In-Reply-To: <002101c731c4$54254c30$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <825190.15782.qm@web52909.mail.yahoo.com>

It's a free preview weekend for the ESPN Full Court
package and the Cats-Michigan game is on channel 785.
Didn't realize it until late in the half, but watching
Doyle's shot to tie the game at half was nice.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

PS - It looks early on like Big Ten basketball this
year is going to be a lot like Big Ten football. With
OSU and Wisconsin in the top 5 or 6 teams nationally,
we're quite top heavy and not many other top 25
contenders. But with Izzo and Weber, MSU and Illinois
will be quality teams and Purdue looks to be a surprise.

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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sat Jan  6 15:24:01 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Sat Jan  6 15:23:58 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] For DirecTV viewers ...
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For Cat fans, it is going to be a very long season........

SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
> It's a free preview weekend for the ESPN Full Court
> package and the Cats-Michigan game is on channel 785.
> Didn't realize it until late in the half, but watching
> Doyle's shot to tie the game at half was nice.
>
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
>
> PS - It looks early on like Big Ten basketball this
> year is going to be a lot like Big Ten football. With
> OSU and Wisconsin in the top 5 or 6 teams nationally,
> we're quite top heavy and not many other top 25
> contenders. But with Izzo and Weber, MSU and Illinois
> will be quality teams and Purdue looks to be a surprise.
>
> * * * * * * * * *
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> sjtruog@yahoo.com
> GO CATS!!!
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From HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com  Sat Jan  6 16:40:56 2007
From: HUDHAIFA3 at aol.com (HUDHAIFA3@aol.com)
Date: Sat Jan  6 16:41:02 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] For DirecTV viewers ...
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Real nice 2nd half shooting. This team can't score inside the arc.
No athletes at all that can create their own  shots
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan  6 17:23:28 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan  6 17:30:10 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] For DirecTV viewers ...
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I have the transcript from BC's postgame comments up on Purple Reign right
now....

He attributes UM's defensive changes for the poor shooting after the break,
altho he did not appear to be amused about the play during the entire game.

There was one shot of him on TV towards the end of the game where he appeared to
be crying...

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> 
> Real nice 2nd half shooting. This team can't score inside the 
> arc. No athletes at all that can create their own  shots 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan  7 07:13:43 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Jan  7 07:13:48 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan game..
References: <003801c731e9$ac37fd80$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <000f01c7325d$a89bab30$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Same ol' Bill Carmody product:  A hustling, well coached, talent-starved 
basketball team.  The trey is the Cats' one weapon, but they usually arrive 
with a half clip of ammo, and the bench offers no supply line.  There is not 
one other aspect of their game that can take up the slack.  As always, they 
are inept under the boards, don't have a bench, can't shoot freethrows, and 
don't have a single player who can regularly create a shot.  The first half 
rebounding edge was an aberration, a product of many long rebounds and some 
lazy play by Michigan.

What to do about Mr. Carmody?  Do you fire a gentleman who runs a clean 
program and coaches like a demon but can't recruit a lick (or hasn't so 
far).  I say he stays.  Once he's gone, who replaces him?  We tried a 
so-called great recruiter, and he was worse than worthless.  Besides, the 
hole from which Carmody was contracted to climb was decades in the digging 
by his predecessors.  He should get at least ten years to turn it around, 
but turn it around he must because the Northwestern University basketball 
program, given its endless failures, remains ridiculous. 

From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan  7 10:14:04 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Jan  7 10:14:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The third degree?
Message-ID: <000801c73276$da6636d0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

To the best of my knowledge, Northwestern does not offer a physical education degree.  Might not our recruiting benefit from the addition of such a degree?  Just think:  We could graduate smart jocks.
From alan.abrahamson at nbcuni.com  Sun Jan  7 11:39:22 2007
From: alan.abrahamson at nbcuni.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Sun Jan  7 11:39:30 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan game..
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FFFAA433@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

Kudos to Dennis for a most excellent post. 


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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sun Jan 07 08:13:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan game..

Same ol' Bill Carmody product:  A hustling, well coached, talent-starved 
basketball team.  The trey is the Cats' one weapon, but they usually arrive 
with a half clip of ammo, and the bench offers no supply line.  There is not 
one other aspect of their game that can take up the slack.  As always, they 
are inept under the boards, don't have a bench, can't shoot freethrows, and 
don't have a single player who can regularly create a shot.  The first half 
rebounding edge was an aberration, a product of many long rebounds and some 
lazy play by Michigan.

What to do about Mr. Carmody?  Do you fire a gentleman who runs a clean 
program and coaches like a demon but can't recruit a lick (or hasn't so 
far).  I say he stays.  Once he's gone, who replaces him?  We tried a 
so-called great recruiter, and he was worse than worthless.  Besides, the 
hole from which Carmody was contracted to climb was decades in the digging 
by his predecessors.  He should get at least ten years to turn it around, 
but turn it around he must because the Northwestern University basketball 
program, given its endless failures, remains ridiculous. 

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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan  7 12:28:56 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Jan  7 12:28:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan game..
References: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FFFAA433@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <000901c73289$b191cfe0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Thank you, Alan.  I take that as a great compliment coming from a pro like 
you. 

From neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com  Sun Jan  7 14:51:18 2007
From: neil.kaplan at carsdirect.com (Kaplan, Neil)
Date: Sun Jan  7 14:51:31 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan game..
Message-ID: <3776320FF97F9F42893415D274B1FD64415411@ibex01.carsdirect.win>

I love what Coach Carmody stands for.  I loved his work at Princeton
(even though I am a Penn alum).  I completely agree with his attributes
below.

However, there are two things that I've come to recognize...

1. We will never, ever compete in the big ten with this style of play.
We have no hope of doing so with this offense.

2. The team is boring to watch.  The Penn State game was unwatchable.  I
see no chance of looking forward to watching any of our games.

Look, even when football goes 4-8 - most of the games are interesting.
Our coaching must be extremely creative to compete.  Some years we were
so far ahead of the rest of the league that good coaching trumped lack
of talent.

My habits for Cats basketball are approaching my enthusiasm for the NBA
which is only if there's nothing else to do.





-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:39 AM
To: tbng@comcast.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan game..

Kudos to Dennis for a most excellent post. 


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com <nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com>
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
Sent: Sun Jan 07 08:13:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan game..

Same ol' Bill Carmody product:  A hustling, well coached, talent-starved

basketball team.  The trey is the Cats' one weapon, but they usually
arrive 
with a half clip of ammo, and the bench offers no supply line.  There is
not 
one other aspect of their game that can take up the slack.  As always,
they 
are inept under the boards, don't have a bench, can't shoot freethrows,
and 
don't have a single player who can regularly create a shot.  The first
half 
rebounding edge was an aberration, a product of many long rebounds and
some 
lazy play by Michigan.

What to do about Mr. Carmody?  Do you fire a gentleman who runs a clean 
program and coaches like a demon but can't recruit a lick (or hasn't so 
far).  I say he stays.  Once he's gone, who replaces him?  We tried a 
so-called great recruiter, and he was worse than worthless.  Besides,
the 
hole from which Carmody was contracted to climb was decades in the
digging 
by his predecessors.  He should get at least ten years to turn it
around, 
but turn it around he must because the Northwestern University
basketball 
program, given its endless failures, remains ridiculous. 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Jan  7 15:16:09 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Jan  7 15:16:11 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan game..
In-Reply-To: <3776320FF97F9F42893415D274B1FD64415411@ibex01.carsdirect.win>
Message-ID: <600424.14426.qm@web52907.mail.yahoo.com>

> I love what Coach Carmody stands for.  I loved his
> work at Princeton

Agreed completely.

> However, there are two things that I've come to
> recognize...
> 
> 1. We will never, ever compete in the big ten with
> this style of play.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Georgetown in the
Big East and NC State in the ACC have proven that you
can compete in the upper division of tough leagues
using the "Princeton offense" and win. You may not win
the league, but you can get in the upper half and in
the NCAAs. Even Dick Bennett's slow style at Wisconsin
won in the Big Ten and is winning in the Pac 10 now at
Wazzu. We just need to recruit better.

> 2. The team is boring to watch.  The Penn State game
> was unwatchable.  I

Again, I'll disagree. When executed poorly, I agree it
is painful. But when you see the Princeton offense run
well, it is a beautiful thing. Especially against the
teams you'll see more of now with the early draftees -
a collection of top-notch athletes who have not
developed into a team, the frustration on their faces
as five players working together consistently beat
their superior athleticism is beautiful.

I dunno what the answer is for NU in terms of Carmody.
He is obviously a class individual and you'd hate to
start over again ... but we may need to press to hire
an associate head coach who is a heck of a recruiter
or something like that. Because when you have the
talent, this offense CAN work well. And in the new age
of college athletics where players are one-and-done,
if you can keep a nucleus of good players together as
seniors, it can really upset the balance of the way
things traditionally have been.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan  7 15:35:00 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Jan  7 15:35:03 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Princeton is not the problem
References: <600424.14426.qm@web52907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000301c732a3$afe818b0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

If you have talent, what difference does the style of offense make?  It's 
like saying that a man trained in Isshinryu karate is superior to one 
trained in Taekwondo (or vice-versa).  Style is not the issue.  Execution 
is.  We can't execute well enough in the Big 10 and rarely have.  It's the 
absence of talent that is the issue.  There is nothing now and never has 
been anything intimidating about the Northwestern basketball team:  no 
enforcer inside, no slasher outside, no deadeye three-point shooter, no 
bench to wear you down.  We always have to play a slowdown type offense 
because we're not good enough to run anything else.  Talent:  Get some! 

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Sun Jan  7 15:58:49 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Sun Jan  7 15:58:52 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] slightly OT:  USC kicker found dead
Message-ID: <200701072158.l07LwnWe015268@romaine.tssi.com>

USC kicker Mario Danelo was found dead at the bottom of a 120 foot cliff
on the Pacific Ocean.

The police appear to have ruled out foul play but it is not clear if this
was an accident or a suicide.

Danelo set the NCAA single season record for PAT attempts and PATs made
during the 2005 season, and had kicked two field goals in USC's defeat of
Michigan.

The new year is starting out rather tragic in sports.
--
Mike Nolan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan  7 16:20:23 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Jan  7 16:19:33 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/7
Message-ID: <004a01c732aa$07a60b60$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

www.PurpleWildcats.com
for Purple Reign & the NU Sports List

Now What ? Edition
All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Index to online News about Northwestern
University Athletics

BASKETBALL
Men

     Cold Shooting Dooms Wildcats in 58-46 Loss to Michigan
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/010607aaa.html 
     + Michigan beats Northwestern
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-070106nor
thwesterngamer,1,5211055.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + 2nd-half slump dooms Wildcats
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-070107015
5jan07,1,7437818.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 
     + Second-half woes doom Wildcats
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/200847,CST-SPT-nu07.article 
     + NU falls because shots don't
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=266808 
     + Too Much 2nd Half Wolverines: UM 58 NU 46
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/607258.html 

     Box score
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-070106nor
thwesternbox,1,2814982.storylink?coll=cs-college-headlines 

     Pregame Stuff....
     Northwestern Returns Home Saturday Against Michigan
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/010507aab.html 
     + It's back to school for Coble, Wildcats
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-070105nu,
1,776322.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Matchup: Wildcats vs. Wolverines
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-070105num
atchup,1,740825.storylink?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + After Blowout Loss, NU Looking For Redemption
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/home/news/2007/01/05/Sports/After.Blowout.Loss.
Nu.Looking.For.Redemption-2600693.shtml 
     + NU's Coble vows to improve
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/200061,CST-SPT-nu06.article 

     From the Michigan Side:
     Michigan Hoops Moves to 2-0 in Big 10
      http://michigan.scout.com/2/607360.html 
     + Cagers have to slam 'backdoor' on Wildcats
 
http://www.michigandaily.com/news/2007/01/05/Basketball/Cagers.Have.To.Slam.back
door.On.Wildcats-2600655.shtml 
     + U-M aims to keep momentum
 
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/aanews/basketball/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/11680
6960998690.xml&coll=2 
     + Seniors lead the way
 
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/aanews/basketball/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/11679
25392243080.xml&coll=2 
     + Veteran lineup reinserted
 
http://www.mlive.com/wolverines/aanews/basketball/index.ssf?/base/sports-1/11679
25462243080.xml&coll=2 
     + MICHIGAN 58, NORTHWESTERN 46: Freshmen deliver at end
 
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070107/SPORTS06/701070625/1054

     + Harris runs the point to perfection in victory
 
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070107/SPORTS06/701070627/1054


     Next up for the Court Cats:
     @ Michigan State Spartans  -  1/10 7 PM ESPN+
     Spartans hope to be in sync against Hoosiers
 
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1168121403144030.
xml&coll=1 
     + Spartans fall 62-60 to Iowa in Big Ten opener
 
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1166116202302720.
xml&coll=1 
     + MSU's Neitzel is knocking them down
 
http://www.greenandwhite.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070107/GW0201/70107057
0/1023/GW 
     + MSU's Morgan cleared to play
 
http://www.greenandwhite.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070107/GW0201/70107057
5/1023/GW 
     + Men's Basketball In Action At Indiana On Sunday
      http://msuspartans.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/010507aaa.html 
     + MSU gets Morgan back today
 
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070107/SPORTS0202/701070339/
1132 
     + Spartans need to get tougher after Iowa loss
      http://michiganstate.scout.com/2/607176.html 

Women

     Wildcats Meet Hawkeyes in Big Ten Home Opener
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/010507aaa.html 
     + Cats' Skid Reaches Eight
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/home/news/2007/01/05/Sports/Cats-Skid.Reaches.E
ight.womens.Basketball-2600683.shtml 

     Mistakes add up in loss to Wisconsin
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston/sports/196276,ev-nuwomenshoops-010407-s1.ar
ticle 

Big 10, etc...

     Hawkeyes' focus pays off with win over Spartans
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/198957,CST-SPT-msu05.article 
     Ohio State's Oden worthy of the hype
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=266563 
     + Ohio State handles Illinois
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/illinois/cs-070106illinoi
sgamer,1,6609162.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Weber has had enough, but do Illini have enough?
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/200868,CST-SPT-herb07.article 

     Men's Basketball Release - Jan. 2
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/010207aad.html 

FOOTBALL

     NU making strides under Fitzgerald
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/preps/198418,CST-SPT-cruit05.article 
     Saraceno: Saying the system exploits collegians stretches the point
 
http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/%7Er/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories/%7E3/710
65735/2007-01-05-saraceno_x.htm 

RECRUITING



FENCING

     Schiller Approaches 900 Wins In His 29th Season
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/home/news/2007/01/05/Sports/Schiller.Approaches
.900.Wins.In.His.29th.Season.fencing-2600696.shtml 

SWIMMING

     Northwestern Welcomes No. 16 Tennessee to the Norris Aquatics Center
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-swim/spec-rel/010307aaa.html 

     Cats Burgled During Training Trip In Hawaii
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/home/news/2007/01/05/Sports/Cats-Burgled.During
.Training.Trip.In.Hawaii.womens.Swimming-2600692.shtml 

WRESTLING

     Mistakes add up in loss to Wisconsin
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston/sports/196276,ev-nuwomenshoops-010407-s1.ar
ticle 

MISCELLANY

     Football success and university fundraising not a guarantee
      http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=2722414 
     Unruly football fans get hard lesson from judge
      http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=2722422 

Alumni

     Megan Mullally Megan Mullally's new talk show canceled
      http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-01-03-mullally_x.htm 
     Mark Loretta Loretta not going to Rangers
 
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/010407dnsporanglede.32da
dbf.html 
     Jeff Bzdelik  Falcons learn their lessons well
 
http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/fragments/print_article.jsp?artic
leId=4946259&siteId=36 

     PGA
     Luke Donald playing Mercedes-Benz Championship
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r016/ 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan  7 16:50:05 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Jan  7 16:49:09 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The third degree?
In-Reply-To: <000801c73276$da6636d0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <000001c732ae$2c848890$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Hey, we just started a "sports management" degree and many of our athletes are
in Communications Studies....

The problem is that we do pretend to hold academic standards around NU.

;-]

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:14 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] The third degree?
> 
> 
> To the best of my knowledge, Northwestern does not offer a 
> physical education degree.  Might not our recruiting benefit 
> from the addition of such a degree?  Just think:  We could 
> graduate smart jocks. _______________________________________________
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> nwu-sports@tssi.com 
> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan  7 16:57:13 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Jan  7 16:56:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan game..
In-Reply-To: <600424.14426.qm@web52907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000101c732af$2bb81b60$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

I suspect that Mr. Hardy may be filling that bill in terms of the Chicago area,
and the other two assistants found many of the kids who are contributing.

When Vince Scott, our current big man came in, we all knew he was a "project."
His development was probably set back by the arrival of Michael Thompson, and
the loss of minutes. Without a healthy Tolic to push him, Scott never had a
chance to develop and now is catching up out on the court.

The Cats have never rebounded well under BC, on the offensive end, the motion
style offense means our guards sometimes wind up inside and they get out
rebounded by 7 foot centers playing D in the crease. Scott as center normally
sets up around the foul line to feed the ball back out on various plays.

When our O is clicking the way it did against Utah, it is exciting, and fun to
watch. When its not like at PSU it is not fun to watch.

Those who remember games by KON probably will also remember that those were not
very much fun to watch either, even though we ran up and down he floor.

Anyway, as far down at NU was in roundball, it would take a long time to improve
in the Big 10 and you would have to figure on setbacks.

At least I did.

rsl

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> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of SjT 
> (Stephen J. Truog)
> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:16 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Michigan game..
> 
> 
> > I love what Coach Carmody stands for.  I loved his
> > work at Princeton
> 
> Agreed completely.
> 
> > However, there are two things that I've come to
> > recognize...
> > 
> > 1. We will never, ever compete in the big ten with
> > this style of play.
> 
> I don't necessarily agree with that. Georgetown in the
> Big East and NC State in the ACC have proven that you
> can compete in the upper division of tough leagues
> using the "Princeton offense" and win. You may not win
> the league, but you can get in the upper half and in
> the NCAAs. Even Dick Bennett's slow style at Wisconsin
> won in the Big Ten and is winning in the Pac 10 now at
> Wazzu. We just need to recruit better.
> 
> > 2. The team is boring to watch.  The Penn State game
> > was unwatchable.  I
> 
> Again, I'll disagree. When executed poorly, I agree it
> is painful. But when you see the Princeton offense run
> well, it is a beautiful thing. Especially against the
> teams you'll see more of now with the early draftees -
> a collection of top-notch athletes who have not
> developed into a team, the frustration on their faces
> as five players working together consistently beat
> their superior athleticism is beautiful.
> 
> I dunno what the answer is for NU in terms of Carmody.
> He is obviously a class individual and you'd hate to
> start over again ... but we may need to press to hire
> an associate head coach who is a heck of a recruiter
> or something like that. Because when you have the
> talent, this offense CAN work well. And in the new age
> of college athletics where players are one-and-done,
> if you can keep a nucleus of good players together as
> seniors, it can really upset the balance of the way
> things traditionally have been.
> 
> GO CATS!!!
> -SjT
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sun Jan  7 21:26:05 2007
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan  7 21:26:31 2007
Subject: anti-ND blather (was Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...)
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-F22034BEDCAB3A1659CD2E38ABF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8C900EBDD3228D9-9C4-427A@WEBMAIL-MA08.sysops.aol.com>

This discussion seems to be boiling down to 'what we know' vs 'what we think we know', or 'what we have been told'.
 
The common wisdom - tossed around without attribution or reliance on facts, is that the South Bend school:
 
- has a major national fanbase, greater than any others (or maybe in the top 2 or 3)
 
- will automatically draw more tv viewers than ordinary teams
 
- will automatically draw more fans to their home games than ordinary teams
 
- will automatically pump more $$$ into a bowl city economy than an ordinary team
 
We know that alot of sources (NBC, the Fox bowl pre-game hosts) make these claims endlessly, but they just state them as fact - they don't offer solid proof.
 
Are there numbers out there that prove that the evil empire pumped more dollars into the New Orleans economy than any other recent Sugar Bowl team ?  That prove that more people watched this Sugar Bowl than woul've watched an LSU-Wisconsin Sugar Bowl ?  And that prove that the additional, South Bend-oriented viewers are in the more desirable advertising demographics ?
 
The Wall Street Journal article at least attempted to deal in statistics, not in imagined truths.  We need to see a few more carefully researched articles like that.
 
The bowl-game ratings I saw were (so far):
 
ROSE (USC-Michigan)    19.03 million viewers   6.6 rating   15 share
SUGAR (LSU-EE)           14.04 million viewers   4.9 rating   13 share
FIESTA (Boise-OU)        12.18 million viewers   4.2 rating   10 share
ORANGE (Louis-WF)        9.74 million viewers   3.4 rating     9 share
 
To my untrained eye, it looks like the Big Ten bowl beat out the EE bowl by almost 36%, while the EE bowl was only able to edge out Boise-Oklahoma by about 15%.  So they have a few more TV fans than those urban powerhouses of Boise, Idaho and Norman, Oklahoma...woohoo !
 
In short, are there any statistics that prove that the 'pro-evil empire' effect makes up for the 'anti-evil empire' effect ?  Or for the large number of viewers turned-off by endless 20+ point bowl game blowouts featuring the evil empire ?
 
Chuck Herron  Tech '85
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: artmiller1@hotmail.com
To: NEONRye@aol.com; sjtruog@yahoo.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: anti-ND blather (was Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...)


Let's first address the unfairness of big-fanbase teams being selected over small-fanbase teams with better records: On one hand, I agree that it's not fair, in the sense that (for example) Charlie Weis & the current players and staff at ND deserve preferential treatment. They personally haven't done anything to deserve such treatment, and are riding the legacy of prior players and staffs. 
 
Think about it a little deeper, however, and it seems perfectly fair that the ND or Nebraska as institutions *do* deserve preferential treatment. While Northwestern was declining to make the investments necessary to compete at the highest level, and while the Boise States of the world weren't even competing in I-A football, the Notre Dames and Nebraskas WERE doing these things. In doing so, they built the foundation of the awesome spectacle that college football is today. For better or worse, those programs have--dare we say it?--earned their large fanbases through decades of consistent success and unwavering commitment to excellence. 
 
I'm not saying everything these programs have done along the way has been good and honorable, but let's not kid ourselves that NU has always been above reproach, either. The NU administration of the late 70s and 80s seemed perfectly willing to allow the program to slide into a state of disrepair--but was happy to enjoy the financial benefits of being part of a conference where many other members were making sustained investments in their programs and building fanbases. THAT's hypocrisy, people. 
 
Let me also address the "compelling" nature of the Boise State situation as well: Like many of you, I enjoyed watching them beat OU on Monday night. But there's an element of this that sticks in my craw, and it's this: Boise State's gaudy record is entirely related to their being in a predominantly weaker conference. Put them in the Big Ten, where they may have to up against the likes of Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, and Penn State on four consecutive weeks, and there's no way (pardon me, NO WAY IN HELL) they make a BCS bowl. They might do well, might even finish 8-4 or 9-3, but their "compelling story" goes right out the window, and Boise State goes to the Sun Bowl to play Oregon State. 
 
NU in 1995 was a compelling story, because it was a team that announced itself to the world with a stunning upset over a traditional power, and then slogged its way through a brutal conference schedule, eventually running the table. To compare that team with this year's Boise State team is, IMHO, missing the point completely. 
 
Did NU get "screwed" in 2000? Yes, perhaps. But theoretically we should have had an easier opponent than if we'd gone to the Outback, and in the end it's nobody's fault but our own that we lost 66-17. 
 
 
>From: NEONRye@aol.com 
>To: artmiller1@hotmail.com, sjtruog@yahoo.com, nwu-sports@tssi.com 
>Subject: Re: anti-ND blather (was Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...) 
>Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 00:43:45 EST 
> 
>Art, 
> 
>While you are correct that bowl games are "about money", that explanation 
>doesn't make it right. When NU was screwed out of the Outback Bowl in >2000, I 
>think it was, and sent instead to the Alamo Bowl to get eviscerated by 
>Nebraska, everyone lost--the Wildcats and their fans (us); fans of >well-balanced 
>college football post-season games; and the credibility that comes when one >gets 
> what one earns--on the field. We belonged in Tampa that year, not San 
>Antonio, but because we didn't have the hype and the rep and the "traveling 
>circus" of fans, we were sent indoors to get slaughtered by the Huskier >Huskers. 
> Notre Dame basically "buys" their way into the BCS as it stands now. If 
>you feel that such a system is just and in the interest of the game of >College 
>FB, then you can continue to support such an unlevel playing field. As >for 
>me (and apparently Stephen), I think the system stinks. The only >redeeming 
>moments are when the Boise States of the world upset the financial >"applecart" 
>for the Powers such as Oklahoma and their sycophantic supporters at the >BCS 
>and on the Bowl Committees. I cast my vote for parity and for a rising up >of 
>the "excluded". The most compelling story in last year's NCAA Hoops >Tourney 
>was George Mason (not Florida), and the most compelling stories this >College F 
>B season are Boise State, Wake Forest and Rutgers (3 schools that we 'Cat 
>fans should identify with, as we know what it is like to wear >"Cinderalla's 
>shoe"). Notre Dame's "shortcut" into BCS $$ and glory (although I am not >sure 
>how much glory there is in continual bowl defeats) should be eliminated >once 
>and for all. They need to make it the "old-fashioned way", as the Smith >& 
>Barney commercial put it--they need to "earn" their invitation, not >inherit it 
>every year. 
> 
>Paul Levinson 
 
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Jan  7 21:50:27 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan  7 21:50:54 2007
Subject: anti-ND blather (was Re: [NU Sports] Sugar Bowl ...)
Message-ID: <3c6.9e0e4f9.32d31983@aol.com>

Good point Chuck on validation--Too many of us (myself included ) throw 
around supposed facts, without knowing their validity

However keep in mind a few things as well--Rose Bowl always gets a high 
viewership because of it being the oldest, most traditional game (i.e almost always 
Pac-10/BT--and until recently the conf champs of both -except when they had 
the no repeat rule for the BT in the 60's)--not to mention everyone wants to 
see the parade---New Year's  Day games will always get more viewership being a 
holiday , and traditional--(l can't ever remember not watchign at least a few 
games on New Years day--except when it came out on Sunday and they wrecked 
tradition by moving them to Jan 2nd so as not to compete with the NFL) . And of 
course the other colleges and conferences must think that ND has all of the 
extra fan base or they wouldn't allow them to  receive concessions that the evil 
empire gets. Even the old CFA agreeement recognized their influence.

As has been said here recently, it may not be fair, but it is hard to argue 
against  the fact that big money controlls so much of sports



Harry
From cherron604 at aol.com  Sun Jan  7 21:51:10 2007
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan  7 21:51:21 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day
In-Reply-To: <20070105.050413.945.546494@webmail57.nyc.untd.com>
References: <20070105.050413.945.546494@webmail57.nyc.untd.com>
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As one who has been to the last 5 bowls, I will add the following:
 
 
The Rose Bowl was a sea of purple
 
Nebraska was much our superior in 2000:
 
- 9-2 vs 8-3
- outscored their opponents 456-213 (we outscored ours 424-334)
- ended the regular season ranked 9 (1160 points)  We were ranked 18 (553 points)
- Nebraska ended the regular season at #8 in the BCS rankings
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: mlinhardt@netzero.net
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: maureen.linhardt@plexus.com
Sent: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 7:04 AM
Subject: [NU Sports] NU bowl stuff plus signing day


The alamo bowl debacle has been brought up and that made me think of 
our bowl futility as compared to ND.

5 straight lossses.  
Did we underachieve or were we the lesster team?  
Were they just bad matchups?  
Was it the standard Big Ten bowl, which road game for us and a home 
game for the opponent?

Here are my theories
Sun Bowl -- opponent better, good matchup, neutral field
Motor City Bowl -- NU equal, good matchup, neutral field
Alamo Bowl -- NU equal, bad matchup, away game
Citrus Bowl -- opponent better, good matchup, away game
Rose Bowl -- NU better, good matchup, away game

I think the Sun, Motor City, and the Rose were our best chances for 
wins as we had at least 2 out of three not being to our disadvantage.

For the Rose we had the best situation, however the Big Ten in general 
does a major choke job vs. USC.

************

Signing Day is Wednesday, February 7th.  
Anyone know why it has been changed to a 2pm event instead of evening?
Also why it is not at NU and instead at the ESPNZone in Chicago?

We go every year, but to have to take a half/full day vacation to 
watch signing day makes our attendance this year seem unlikely.


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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sun Jan  7 22:06:01 2007
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan  7 22:06:11 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] College Fight Songs on Itunes
In-Reply-To: <20070106043830.81393.qmail@web80810.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I hope this qualifies as 'fair-use'...
 
Rather than support Itunes, the cellular companies, or the Michigan band, I dug out my old NUMB CD, ripped 'Go U' and 'Push-On Song', edited them for length with 'Ringtone Media Studio', and transferred them up to my bluetooth phone with a cheap Bluetooth dongle.  
 
Both ringtones are great ! (Though I must admit 'Bear Down Chicago Bears' has replaced them during playoff season...)
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: khaderach@sbcglobal.net
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 10:38 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] College Fight Songs on Itunes


The Itunes home page is featuring the fight songs of 17 "top teams" this bowl 
season. They must be going on promise, because we made the list. :)

Obviously, in our case its more about the song than the team this season. 
However, it is the Michigan band's version of Go U Northwestern, which is a 
pale, passionless shadow of NUMB's stirring rendition.

OSU, UMich, MSU, Wisc, and Purdue made the list too. 

Go U,
Wildcat Bryan

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From cherron604 at aol.com  Sun Jan  7 22:27:22 2007
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan  7 22:27:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Princeton is not the problem
In-Reply-To: <000301c732a3$afe818b0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
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	<000301c732a3$afe818b0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
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I will say that Evan Esch was a force inside, and Jitim could do a ton of stuff inside.  But young menof that caliber have been few and far between (too few and too far).  We have alums swimming in cash (Pat Ryan ?)  Could we perhaps hire a recruiting genius, and have our own 'College of Coaches' ?  Pay them both the same; sit both he and Carmody on the bench - I don't think there's any rule that precludes it.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85 
 
 
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 3:35 PM
Subject: [NU Sports] Princeton is not the problem


If you have talent, what difference does the style of offense make? It's like saying that a man trained in Isshinryu karate is superior to one trained in Taekwondo (or vice-versa). Style is not the issue. Execution is. We can't execute well enough in the Big 10 and rarely have. It's the absence of talent that is the issue. There is nothing now and never has been anything intimidating about the Northwestern basketball team: no enforcer inside, no slasher outside, no deadeye three-point shooter, no bench to wear you down. We always have to play a slowdown type offense because we're not good enough to run anything else. Talent: Get some!  
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Mon Jan  8 08:44:36 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Mon Jan  8 08:46:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan game..
Message-ID: <20070108.064441.760.1101131@webmail60.nyc.untd.com>

How about learning to substitute better?  How about judiciously 
sitting your starters when they start to drag?  How about using your 
freakin' time outs to get breathers for your solid players??????

This was Maureen's comment and I agree with her completely.  Craig and 
Vinny looked dead near the end of the game.  Both needed breathers to 
continue to be effective.

-- "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
Same ol' Bill Carmody product:  A hustling, well coached, talent-
starved basketball team.<snip>


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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan  8 08:54:20 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Jan  8 08:54:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan game..
References: <20070108.064441.760.1101131@webmail60.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c73334$e0c1ed30$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

> How about learning to substitute better?  How about judiciously
> sitting your starters when they start to drag?  How about using your
> freakin' time outs to get breathers for your solid players??????

Because there is no talent on the bench.  Northwestern has never had a deep 
bench. 

From bondscoop at megapathdsl.net  Mon Jan  8 09:24:22 2007
From: bondscoop at megapathdsl.net (Michael Jackson)
Date: Mon Jan  8 09:24:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan game..
In-Reply-To: <000b01c73334$e0c1ed30$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <000b01c73339$13965440$0a01a8c0@Mike>

I respectfully disagree with both of you.  Carmody has never done a good
job substituting.  He always seems to use only 7 or 8 players and by the
end of the year the starters are worn out from playing all the minutes.
He seldom has used freshmen for meaningful minutes.  This year is
different.  He uses 9 players and substitutes much more liberally than
in past years.  He also plays three freshmen for a substantial part of
the game.  We do have a bench.  It is just not as talented as it needs
to be and it is very young.  

It is true that he played both Scott and Doyle for most of the game.
Neither player has a good sub who can do the things the starters can at
those positions.  We actually have a much deeper bench than in previous
years.  The trouble is that there are too few power players on the team.
That is where the talent is lacking on this team.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:54 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan game..

> How about learning to substitute better?  How about judiciously
> sitting your starters when they start to drag?  How about using your
> freakin' time outs to get breathers for your solid players??????

Because there is no talent on the bench.  Northwestern has never had a
deep 
bench. 

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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan  8 09:46:20 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Jan  8 09:46:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody and substituting
References: <000b01c73339$13965440$0a01a8c0@Mike>
Message-ID: <000d01c7333c$248b45f0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

NU's basketball team is lacking in talent in every possible category, just 
as it always has been.  It's amazing that Carmody accomplishes what he does 
given that all he has are supporting players.  I doubt there are more than 
one or two players on this team who would be more than a seventh man on any 
other top 30 NCAA team.  As to blaming him for not substitutin, I am going 
to assume that he knows his deep bench players' skills better than anyone on 
this list. 

From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Mon Jan  8 10:03:24 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Mon Jan  8 10:05:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Michigan game..
Message-ID: <20070108.080346.890.1253605@webmail03.nyc.untd.com>

We were talking about Craig and Vinny not Doyle and Vinny.

I realize there is a lack of depth, but Craig is your major scoring 
threat and he was so winded he could not get an open look and when we 
had one he did not have the energy to shoot.  

With Craig out you have to slow it down further and play better 
defense, but he has to come out otherwise he becomes useless on 
offense.

Vinny probably had his best first half of the season, but was AWOL in 
the 2nd.  If Vinny is scoring he is better than Tolic, but if he is not
(2nd half) why not bring in Tolic to spell Vinny.

If you can't substitute at least use the timeouts for breathers.  Our 
timeouts are useless if we are behind as we are a poor comeback team 
and if we are ahead the only use is if we can't inbound the ball.  
Given that use them as a rest period.

-- "Michael Jackson" <bondscoop@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
I respectfully disagree with both of you.  Carmody has never done a 
good
job substituting.  He always seems to use only 7 or 8 players and by 
the
end of the year the starters are worn out from playing all the minutes.
He seldom has used freshmen for meaningful minutes.  This year is
different.  He uses 9 players and substitutes much more liberally than
in past years.  He also plays three freshmen for a substantial part of
the game.  We do have a bench.  It is just not as talented as it needs
to be and it is very young.  

It is true that he played both Scott and Doyle for most of the game.
Neither player has a good sub who can do the things the starters can at
those positions.  We actually have a much deeper bench than in previous
years.  The trouble is that there are too few power players on the 
team.
That is where the talent is lacking on this team.

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 8:54 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Michigan game..

> How about learning to substitute better?  How about judiciously
> sitting your starters when they start to drag?  How about using your
> freakin' time outs to get breathers for your solid players??????

Because there is no talent on the bench.  Northwestern has never had a
deep 
bench. 

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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Mon Jan  8 10:05:40 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Mon Jan  8 10:07:09 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody and substituting
Message-ID: <20070108.080556.890.1253639@webmail03.nyc.untd.com>

Maureen writes...

That may be the case, but he DID sit one of his starters beginning 
around the 10 minute mark and he did not come back in at all.  
I think you may need to just take your lumps and play some of the guys 
you are already rotating in for a few minutes for these guys.  Where 
was Tolic to spell Scott, even if for 2 minutes?  Why didn't Williams 
come back in to spell Moore for a few minutes?  I am only asking the 
question about time outs and subs because it was very obvious Moore 
and Scott were beat down with about 4 minutes left in the game which 
lead to our total demise.


-- "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net> wrote:
NU's basketball team is lacking in talent in every possible category, 
just 
as it always has been.  It's amazing that Carmody accomplishes what he 
does 
given that all he has are supporting players.  I doubt there are more 
than 
one or two players on this team who would be more than a seventh man 
on any 
other top 30 NCAA team.  As to blaming him for not substitutin, I am 
going 
to assume that he knows his deep bench players' skills better than 
anyone on 
this list. 

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From herms at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  8 10:11:10 2007
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Mon Jan  8 10:11:20 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody and substituting
In-Reply-To: <000d01c7333c$248b45f0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <BAY117-F26A70B6B7F3C1BED651A83AEBC0@phx.gbl>

I'll concede that NU basketball is pretty poor, but it's not as bad as it's 
been before.  I remember 8 or 9 years back, when we scored just 30 points in 
a lost to Evansville, of all teams.  Carmody's system has been able to level 
the playing field to a certain extent. Whereas before, we'd usually end up 
far below .500, we now hover somewhere around that mark consistently.  We 
just haven't had that final push to get over the hump, like we have in 
football.

We went 10-3 in our non-conference games, with one more against Texas 
Pan-American, which should be a win.  If we can go at least 5-11 in 
conference (which I know right now seems like a big IF), that should be a 
solid 16-14 record, and stealing one game in the conference tourney could be 
enough to get into the NIT. That would be something solid for our 
underclass-laden team to build on.

So, while I'm certainly disappointed in our lack of basketball success (a 
"real" BigTen team doesn't beat the likes of Division III Wheaton or North 
Florida by two points, nor does it lose to Tennessee Tech), as a matter of 
context, I dont' think things are as bleak as they were.

For some historical perspective, this is from Carmody's bio on the 
NUSports.com Web site, which paints a pretty rosy pictures, but the 
statistics are statistics--

During the past six years the Wildcats have won 82 games, the best six-year 
win total in the program's history, and the 2005 senior class graduated with 
57 victories which is more than any other class in the first 100 years of 
the program. Northwestern has won at least 11 games in all of Carmody's 
seasons, a program first and the first time the 'Cats have reached double 
figures in the win column six straight seasons since 1938.

In Big Ten play, Northwestern has won 30 regular-season conference games 
during the past five years, the most over a five-year period since 1966-70 
(32). In Carmody's six-year tenure, the Wildcats have won 33 Big Ten 
regular-season games; prior to his arrival, NU had 28 conference victories 
in the previous 12 seasons.

Best,
Herman




>From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
>To: <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody and substituting
>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:46:20 -0500
>
>NU's basketball team is lacking in talent in every possible category, just 
>as it always has been.  It's amazing that Carmody accomplishes what he does 
>given that all he has are supporting players.  I doubt there are more than 
>one or two players on this team who would be more than a seventh man on any 
>other top 30 NCAA team.  As to blaming him for not substitutin, I am going 
>to assume that he knows his deep bench players' skills better than anyone 
>on this list.
>
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Jan  8 10:36:27 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Jan  8 10:39:23 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Future of NU basketball
In-Reply-To: <000d01c7333c$248b45f0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <12a101c73343$24c898e0$85492745@hilgraeve.com>

So what is it going to take to turn this program around?

Are we all coming to the conclusion that Carmody just isn't the guy?

NU tried to get Amaker.  He went into a terrible situation at Michigan that
basically got worse as soon as he got there.  They have had success in the
past, so in some ways it isn't the basketball wasteland that NU is, but Bo
has also said Michigan will NEVER pay the basketball coach more than the
football coach.  Amaker has stuck it out and appears to be able to get the
sort of players that we wish we had.  His kids are graduating and for the
most part, staying out of trouble.  

Seems like Carmody is the sort of guy who is always going have teams which
overachieve.  I had hoped that as he works his summer camps and starts to
build a reputation in the community, he would be able to get better kids who
valued education over a shot at the NBA.  Instead we are getting better kids
who still remain projects or have glaring weaknesses (no inside game) rather
than proven well rounded players.  I think that we are getting better, but
it is at such a slow rate that we might not see a winning record in the BT
for another five years.  

Jeff


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Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:46 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody and substituting

NU's basketball team is lacking in talent in every possible category, just
as it always has been.  It's amazing that Carmody accomplishes what he does
given that all he has are supporting players.  I doubt there are more than
one or two players on this team who would be more than a seventh man on any
other top 30 NCAA team.  As to blaming him for not substitutin, I am going
to assume that he knows his deep bench players' skills better than anyone on
this list. 

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From alan.abrahamson at nbcuni.com  Mon Jan  8 11:01:23 2007
From: alan.abrahamson at nbcuni.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Mon Jan  8 11:01:34 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] jan 8 nbcsports.com story
Message-ID: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FFFAA44D@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>

I realize this is slightly off-topic -- as it involves Ohio State, not
Northwestern -- but nonetheless thought it might, on the eve of the BCS
game, be of interest to enough of you to pass it on.
 You can not imagine, by the way, how many scarlet-and-gray boosters are
here in Arizona. 
 Purple to Pasadena -- Alan
 
--
 

A study in courage

By Alan Abrahamson
<BLOCKED::http://www.nbcsports.com/columnists/394164/detail.html> 
NBCSports.com
Posted: Jan.8, 2007, 10:10 am EST 
 
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- In April, during spring football practice at Ohio
State, a freshman defensive back, Kurt Coleman, made a tackle on a
third-year receiver named Tyson Gentry. 

The play was routine. The tackle was ordinary. But Gentry did not get
up. He is now partially paralyzed. 

Monday night, when Ohio State takes the field against Florida in the BCS
title game, Tyson Gentry will be on the sidelines, in a motorized
wheelchair, wearing his scarlet-and-gray jersey, No. 24. Kurt Coleman,
in pads and cleats, wearing No. 4, will play for Ohio State, on special
teams, maybe even in the defensive backfield. 

The two have become good friends. 

There is no cheering in the press box. But please forgive me if I pay
special attention to Tyson Gentry and Kurt Coleman. Gentry is a study in
courage. Coleman, too -- a remarkable young man who has been forced,
through circumstance, to ask himself many of life's hard questions at a
young age and who, by all accounts, has emerged a good football player
and better person. 

 Kurt Coleman (4) and Nick Patterson
(23)<BLOCKED::http://www.nbcsports.com/2007/0108/803418_300X225.jpg>
Ronald Martinez/Getty ImagesKurt Coleman (4) and his teammates had a lot
to celebrate this year, but Coleman has also faced many difficult
moments.
 
I know this because Kurt Coleman and I are graduates of the same high
school, Northmont High School in Clayton, Ohio, northwest of Dayton. 

And, back home, the Northmont community -- which includes small towns
such as Clayton and Englewood -- could not be more proud of the
uncommonly mature young man that Kurt Coleman has become, of the way he
has shouldered his responsibilities and intends to meet his life's
ambitions. 

"It has been years since someone from Northmont has made it," said Sam
Pfeffer, who teaches shop at the high school and is married to one of my
classmates, Lynn. "This is the big time. You just can't believe the
number of scarlet-and-gray No. 4 jerseys around this area." 

"It's neat to be able to say you coached a kid playing for the national
championship," said Collin Abels, who teaches American history and
government at Northmont and doubles as the football team's defensive
coordinator. "It's neater to say you had an impact on a kid's life and
you've been able to see him grow and mature and develop into an
excellent human being." 

Kurt Coleman wants to become a special education teacher. At Northmont,
he served as a teacher's aide in the special ed class and found it so
rewarding he intends to pursue studies at Ohio State so that, after
graduation -- and, perhaps, a shot at the NFL -- he can teach the
developmentally disabled. 

Kurt Coleman's father, Ron, is battling cancer -- breast cancer. Male
breast cancer accounts for about one percent of all breast cancers in
the United States. Ron Coleman underwent extensive surgery in early
December and on Wednesday, in Dayton, is due to begin a three-month
regimen of chemotherapy. In the meantime, he is here for the game. 

All this is on Kurt Coleman's plate, along with the pressures of playing
big-time football -- and, as well, the emotional fallout from a play
that left someone else in a wheelchair. And he is but 18 years old,
still just in his first year of college. 

"I just can't wait for him to get out of the chair," Kurt Coleman said
Sunday night of Tyson Gentry. Here it was, the night before the national
title game, and Kurt Coleman said of his pal, "I think he can do it. He
has the willpower." 

Way back in junior high school, it was clear that Kurt Coleman had
extraordinary athletic ability. 

"I saw him as an eighth-grader and I knew he could be a special kind of
player," Lance Schneider, who has been coach of the Northmont football
team since 1999, said. 

Two years ago, when Kurt Coleman was a junior, he had a breakout year --
10 interceptions on defense, 16 pass receptions for 315 yards and seven
touchdowns on offense. 

"He was just always such a gentleman and a team player," said Gale
Mabry, the superintendent of the Northmont schools. "Sometimes, someone
who is very talented can come off with an attitude of 'I am special and
you are not.' I never saw that. I always saw him as a team player caring
about everyone." 

Others on the football team had served as volunteers in Diana Espy's
special education class. Kurt, it turned out, was a natural, and during
his junior and senior years he was a regular in her class. 

"He's a well-rounded individual, and he's extremely sensitive," she
said. "He treats my students with the utmost respect. He treats them
like they are cooler than cool." 

He said, "I love working with them. I found out I can learn just as much
from them as them me. That's the most rewarding part." 

In his senior year, Kurt was again named first-team all-Ohio. He earned
a scholarship to Ohio State and graduated from Northmont early so that
he could take part in spring practice in Columbus. 

Tyson Gentry went to high school in Sandusky, in northern Ohio, on Lake
Erie between Toledo and Cleveland. At Ohio State, he was a walk-on, a
punter who played wide receiver in high school. 

April 14, during spring ball, Tyson ran a pass route; Kurt brought him
down; Tyson landed awkwardly, on his head. He had broken a vertebra in
his neck; his spinal cord was damaged. 

Eight days after the accident, Kurt went to the hospital to visit Tyson.


"Kurt just manned up and went to see Tyson early," Ron Coleman said.
"These are things he did on his own. Not that he was forced to. It
wasn't required. That makes it even better." 

"I'm sure it was nerve-wracking for him," Tyson said. 

It was, Kurt Coleman said. 

But, Tyson said, there are no hard feelings. There never were. 

"Not at all," he said. "I could understand that if it were a cheap shot
or something, and obviously there have been situations in football in
the past where there was ill will between two people. But this was just
a typical thing that led to just a freak accident. There are no hard
feelings at all." 

Tyson has undergone two surgeries. He lost 40 pounds, then regained some
of the lost weight. After months of therapy, he can feed himself. He can
attend classes. He can't move his legs but said, "I've got feeling all
over my body; it's just not normal feeling." He is 21 years old. 

"When it first happened," Kurt said, "I wanted to break down. 

"I had hurt people in high school. It's not good to send someone to the
hospital -- it makes you think, do you want to play the game? That's not
your goal. The goal is not to injure someone." 

Kurt Coleman remains close to Abels, the Northmont defensive
coordinator, and Abels recalled, "I said to him, "Kurt, it's one of the
very unfortunate things about the game of football that something
serious like that can happen. You didn't do it on purpose, you didn't do
anything wrong, you were just playing the game hard. You've got to
continue to do that. 

"I said, 'Kurt, the reason you're at Ohio State is that you're not
afraid of contact, of making plays. You play aggressively. If you let
the situation keep you from doing that it's keeping you from doing the
best you can be.'" 

Many such sessions later, Kurt now says, "The game of football is the
game of football. Things happen. That's what helped me regain my
confidence." 

During his freshman season, Kurt played in all but one game, mostly on
special teams. In the Bowling Green game, he blocked a 50-yard field
goal try. 

Meanwhile, just a couple weeks after Tyson was hurt, Ron Coleman
underwent a surgical procedure to try to stabilize an irregular
heartbeat. For the following five days, he couldn't move his leg. 

The son wondered if his father might also be paralyzed. 

"When he had a nicked nerve and couldn't walk for five days, to see him
go through that -- to see him fighting through it without hesitation
shows his character," Kurt Coleman said. 

Ron Coleman regained movement in his leg. Then, in November, he was
diagnosed with breast cancer. On Dec. 1, doctors performed a radical
mastectomy, removing the breast tissue as well as a number of lymph
nodes. 

Ron Coleman, who is 55, is also a teacher -- as well as the basketball
coach -- at another Dayton-area school, Stebbins High. 

"I feel fine," the father said. "I'm always positive. I don't have bad
days, only bad moments. My thing is, and my oncologist has said, we're
just going to throw the kitchen sink at it and make sure I have
longevity." 

He also said, "This thing with cancer -- I feel blessed to be the one to
have it instead of my wife. Now I can help people in another way. I have
been doing it with coaching. Now I can do it with male breast cancer --
because it's not a death sentence. They talk about cancer as 'The Big
C.' But it doesn't have to be a death sentence. I don't look at it that
way." 

The son said, "He is definitely a great guy. He has more willpower than
I do. He has gone through a lot this year; to see him out here makes me
want to work that much harder." 

Back home in Dayton on Monday, Diana Espy, the Northmont special
education teacher, who cheerfully admits she knows almost nothing about
football, will put on her brand-new scarlet-and-gray No. 4 jersey -- a
Christmas gift from her husband, Chris. She's going to wear it to
school, she said. 

"I'm proud," she said of Kurt Coleman. "I'm proud to say he has worked
in my program."
 
 
From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan  8 11:23:00 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Jan  8 11:23:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Future of NU basketball
References: <12a101c73343$24c898e0$85492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <000d01c73349$a5dfb840$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

> I had hoped that as he [Carmody] works his summer camps and starts to
> build a reputation in the community, he would be able to get better kids 
> who
> valued education over a shot at the NBA.

Nonsense.  The two goals are not incompatible.  Ask Billy McKinney, Don 
Adams (you don't need a cone of silence), and Evan Eschmeyer.  If you're 
good, the NBA will know it even if you play for East Stroudsburg.  Duke and 
Wake Forest graduate their players and send many to the NBA, too.

<I'll concede that NU basketball is pretty poor, but it's not as bad as it's 
been before.

True.  It's gone from pathetic to somewhat less than mediocre.  We've 
averaged 14 - 16 under Carmody and only then because we play a largely 
weak-sister nonconference schedule.  (We lost to Cornell and struggled to 
beat Loyola College, for cryin' out loud!)  It's long past time to take the 
next step.  Two quality players would do it.  We don't have one quality 
player.  We have a few role players and a bunch of guys who should sitting 
ninth or tenth on the bench.

<If we can go at least 5-11 in conference. . . that should be a solid 16-14 
record, and stealing one game in the conference tourney could be enough to 
get into the NIT.

If we go 5 - 11 in the conference (doubtful), we don't deserve to be in 
post-season play.  Read the meaning of your words:  Let's be happy with 
mediocrity. 

From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan  8 11:24:24 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Jan  8 11:24:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] jan 8 nbcsports.com story
References: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FFFAA44D@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <001101c73349$d8363990$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

< You can not imagine, by the way, how many scarlet-and-gray boosters are 
here in Arizona.

Any of them wearing scarlet letters?  If so, say hello to Hester for me.
 

From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Mon Jan  8 11:24:28 2007
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Mon Jan  8 11:24:32 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] jan 8 nbcsports.com story
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FFFAA44D@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
Message-ID: <EBEB58980DB31543B690E276B97F695602A98AD6@XCHGNYM2.corp.espn.pvt>

Outstanding & just the latest example of why the writer, our fellow
Wildcat, is such a respected journalist.  What a compelling story!

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal)
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:01 PM
To: NU Sports List
Subject: [NU Sports] jan 8 nbcsports.com story

I realize this is slightly off-topic -- as it involves Ohio State, not
Northwestern -- but nonetheless thought it might, on the eve of the BCS
game, be of interest to enough of you to pass it on.
 You can not imagine, by the way, how many scarlet-and-gray boosters are
here in Arizona. 
 Purple to Pasadena -- Alan
 
--
 

A study in courage

By Alan Abrahamson
<BLOCKED::http://www.nbcsports.com/columnists/394164/detail.html>
NBCSports.com
Posted: Jan.8, 2007, 10:10 am EST 
 
GLENDALE, Ariz. -- In April, during spring football practice at Ohio
State, a freshman defensive back, Kurt Coleman, made a tackle on a
third-year receiver named Tyson Gentry. 

The play was routine. The tackle was ordinary. But Gentry did not get
up. He is now partially paralyzed. 

Monday night, when Ohio State takes the field against Florida in the BCS
title game, Tyson Gentry will be on the sidelines, in a motorized
wheelchair, wearing his scarlet-and-gray jersey, No. 24. Kurt Coleman,
in pads and cleats, wearing No. 4, will play for Ohio State, on special
teams, maybe even in the defensive backfield. 

The two have become good friends. 

There is no cheering in the press box. But please forgive me if I pay
special attention to Tyson Gentry and Kurt Coleman. Gentry is a study in
courage. Coleman, too -- a remarkable young man who has been forced,
through circumstance, to ask himself many of life's hard questions at a
young age and who, by all accounts, has emerged a good football player
and better person. 

 Kurt Coleman (4) and Nick Patterson
(23)<BLOCKED::http://www.nbcsports.com/2007/0108/803418_300X225.jpg>
Ronald Martinez/Getty ImagesKurt Coleman (4) and his teammates had a lot
to celebrate this year, but Coleman has also faced many difficult
moments.
 
I know this because Kurt Coleman and I are graduates of the same high
school, Northmont High School in Clayton, Ohio, northwest of Dayton. 

And, back home, the Northmont community -- which includes small towns
such as Clayton and Englewood -- could not be more proud of the
uncommonly mature young man that Kurt Coleman has become, of the way he
has shouldered his responsibilities and intends to meet his life's
ambitions. 

"It has been years since someone from Northmont has made it," said Sam
Pfeffer, who teaches shop at the high school and is married to one of my
classmates, Lynn. "This is the big time. You just can't believe the
number of scarlet-and-gray No. 4 jerseys around this area." 

"It's neat to be able to say you coached a kid playing for the national
championship," said Collin Abels, who teaches American history and
government at Northmont and doubles as the football team's defensive
coordinator. "It's neater to say you had an impact on a kid's life and
you've been able to see him grow and mature and develop into an
excellent human being." 

Kurt Coleman wants to become a special education teacher. At Northmont,
he served as a teacher's aide in the special ed class and found it so
rewarding he intends to pursue studies at Ohio State so that, after
graduation -- and, perhaps, a shot at the NFL -- he can teach the
developmentally disabled. 

Kurt Coleman's father, Ron, is battling cancer -- breast cancer. Male
breast cancer accounts for about one percent of all breast cancers in
the United States. Ron Coleman underwent extensive surgery in early
December and on Wednesday, in Dayton, is due to begin a three-month
regimen of chemotherapy. In the meantime, he is here for the game. 

All this is on Kurt Coleman's plate, along with the pressures of playing
big-time football -- and, as well, the emotional fallout from a play
that left someone else in a wheelchair. And he is but 18 years old,
still just in his first year of college. 

"I just can't wait for him to get out of the chair," Kurt Coleman said
Sunday night of Tyson Gentry. Here it was, the night before the national
title game, and Kurt Coleman said of his pal, "I think he can do it. He
has the willpower." 

Way back in junior high school, it was clear that Kurt Coleman had
extraordinary athletic ability. 

"I saw him as an eighth-grader and I knew he could be a special kind of
player," Lance Schneider, who has been coach of the Northmont football
team since 1999, said. 

Two years ago, when Kurt Coleman was a junior, he had a breakout year --
10 interceptions on defense, 16 pass receptions for 315 yards and seven
touchdowns on offense. 

"He was just always such a gentleman and a team player," said Gale
Mabry, the superintendent of the Northmont schools. "Sometimes, someone
who is very talented can come off with an attitude of 'I am special and
you are not.' I never saw that. I always saw him as a team player caring
about everyone." 

Others on the football team had served as volunteers in Diana Espy's
special education class. Kurt, it turned out, was a natural, and during
his junior and senior years he was a regular in her class. 

"He's a well-rounded individual, and he's extremely sensitive," she
said. "He treats my students with the utmost respect. He treats them
like they are cooler than cool." 

He said, "I love working with them. I found out I can learn just as much
from them as them me. That's the most rewarding part." 

In his senior year, Kurt was again named first-team all-Ohio. He earned
a scholarship to Ohio State and graduated from Northmont early so that
he could take part in spring practice in Columbus. 

Tyson Gentry went to high school in Sandusky, in northern Ohio, on Lake
Erie between Toledo and Cleveland. At Ohio State, he was a walk-on, a
punter who played wide receiver in high school. 

April 14, during spring ball, Tyson ran a pass route; Kurt brought him
down; Tyson landed awkwardly, on his head. He had broken a vertebra in
his neck; his spinal cord was damaged. 

Eight days after the accident, Kurt went to the hospital to visit Tyson.


"Kurt just manned up and went to see Tyson early," Ron Coleman said.
"These are things he did on his own. Not that he was forced to. It
wasn't required. That makes it even better." 

"I'm sure it was nerve-wracking for him," Tyson said. 

It was, Kurt Coleman said. 

But, Tyson said, there are no hard feelings. There never were. 

"Not at all," he said. "I could understand that if it were a cheap shot
or something, and obviously there have been situations in football in
the past where there was ill will between two people. But this was just
a typical thing that led to just a freak accident. There are no hard
feelings at all." 

Tyson has undergone two surgeries. He lost 40 pounds, then regained some
of the lost weight. After months of therapy, he can feed himself. He can
attend classes. He can't move his legs but said, "I've got feeling all
over my body; it's just not normal feeling." He is 21 years old. 

"When it first happened," Kurt said, "I wanted to break down. 

"I had hurt people in high school. It's not good to send someone to the
hospital -- it makes you think, do you want to play the game? That's not
your goal. The goal is not to injure someone." 

Kurt Coleman remains close to Abels, the Northmont defensive
coordinator, and Abels recalled, "I said to him, "Kurt, it's one of the
very unfortunate things about the game of football that something
serious like that can happen. You didn't do it on purpose, you didn't do
anything wrong, you were just playing the game hard. You've got to
continue to do that. 

"I said, 'Kurt, the reason you're at Ohio State is that you're not
afraid of contact, of making plays. You play aggressively. If you let
the situation keep you from doing that it's keeping you from doing the
best you can be.'" 

Many such sessions later, Kurt now says, "The game of football is the
game of football. Things happen. That's what helped me regain my
confidence." 

During his freshman season, Kurt played in all but one game, mostly on
special teams. In the Bowling Green game, he blocked a 50-yard field
goal try. 

Meanwhile, just a couple weeks after Tyson was hurt, Ron Coleman
underwent a surgical procedure to try to stabilize an irregular
heartbeat. For the following five days, he couldn't move his leg. 

The son wondered if his father might also be paralyzed. 

"When he had a nicked nerve and couldn't walk for five days, to see him
go through that -- to see him fighting through it without hesitation
shows his character," Kurt Coleman said. 

Ron Coleman regained movement in his leg. Then, in November, he was
diagnosed with breast cancer. On Dec. 1, doctors performed a radical
mastectomy, removing the breast tissue as well as a number of lymph
nodes. 

Ron Coleman, who is 55, is also a teacher -- as well as the basketball
coach -- at another Dayton-area school, Stebbins High. 

"I feel fine," the father said. "I'm always positive. I don't have bad
days, only bad moments. My thing is, and my oncologist has said, we're
just going to throw the kitchen sink at it and make sure I have
longevity." 

He also said, "This thing with cancer -- I feel blessed to be the one to
have it instead of my wife. Now I can help people in another way. I have
been doing it with coaching. Now I can do it with male breast cancer --
because it's not a death sentence. They talk about cancer as 'The Big
C.' But it doesn't have to be a death sentence. I don't look at it that
way." 

The son said, "He is definitely a great guy. He has more willpower than
I do. He has gone through a lot this year; to see him out here makes me
want to work that much harder." 

Back home in Dayton on Monday, Diana Espy, the Northmont special
education teacher, who cheerfully admits she knows almost nothing about
football, will put on her brand-new scarlet-and-gray No. 4 jersey -- a
Christmas gift from her husband, Chris. She's going to wear it to
school, she said. 

"I'm proud," she said of Kurt Coleman. "I'm proud to say he has worked
in my program."
 
 
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From herms at hotmail.com  Mon Jan  8 12:00:56 2007
From: herms at hotmail.com (Herman Wang)
Date: Mon Jan  8 12:01:05 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Future of NU basketball
In-Reply-To: <000d01c73349$a5dfb840$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <BAY117-F342C00A07CE549A5C02119AEBC0@phx.gbl>

<Read the meaning of your words:  Let's be happy with mediocrity. >

Respectfully, I'm being realistic.  We have a team that's struggled to beat 
crappy opponents, so forgive me if I think having a plus-.500 record and 
making the NIT would be a significant accomplishment for this group.  That's 
not being happy with mediocrity.  That's recognizing that for now, we are 
who we are.

My memory is a bit sketchy, but in 2001-02, we went 7-9 in conference with 
the likes of Tavares Hardy, Winston Blake, Aaron Jennings, Jason Burke and 
Collier Drayton.  In 2003-04, we went 8-8 in conference, with Vedran 
Vukusic, Jitim Young, T.J. Parker, Mohammed Hachad and Davor Duvancic.  
Northwestern never had it so good.  What did those teams have that this team 
doesn't?  Could our current team beat either of those two teams?  The 03-04 
team was probably more athletic than our current squad, but the 01-02 team 
wasn't particularly special.

We can talk about trying to emulate Duke and Stanford all we want, but the 
fact of the matter is that for now, recruiting is an uphill battle for us, 
and Carmody's margin of error is thin.  I don't know if he's the longterm 
answer, but I do know that he's made some progress with the program.  I'm no 
recruiting expert, but it seems to me that looking into Georgetown's program 
could be instructive.  Their academic standards are on par with ours, and 
they play successfully in a major conference.  Who are they getting, and how 
is their system working?  That's what I'd like to know.

Herman


>From: "Dennis W. Brandt" <tbng@comcast.net>
>To: <jeffb@hilgraeve.com>, <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
>Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Future of NU basketball
>Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:23:00 -0500
>
>>I had hoped that as he [Carmody] works his summer camps and starts to
>>build a reputation in the community, he would be able to get better kids 
>>who
>>valued education over a shot at the NBA.
>
>Nonsense.  The two goals are not incompatible.  Ask Billy McKinney, Don 
>Adams (you don't need a cone of silence), and Evan Eschmeyer.  If you're 
>good, the NBA will know it even if you play for East Stroudsburg.  Duke and 
>Wake Forest graduate their players and send many to the NBA, too.
><
><I'll concede that NU basketball is pretty poor, but it's not as bad as 
>it's been before.
>
>True.  It's gone from pathetic to somewhat less than mediocre.  We've 
>averaged 14 - 16 under Carmody and only then because we play a largely 
>weak-sister nonconference schedule.  (We lost to Cornell and struggled to 
>beat Loyola College, for cryin' out loud!)  It's long past time to take the 
>next step.  Two quality players would do it.  We don't have one quality 
>player.  We have a few role players and a bunch of guys who should sitting 
>ninth or tenth on the bench.
>
><If we can go at least 5-11 in conference. . . that should be a solid 16-14 
>record, and stealing one game in the conference tourney could be enough to 
>get into the NIT.
>
>If we go 5 - 11 in the conference (doubtful), we don't deserve to be in 
>post-season play.  Read the meaning of your words:  Let's be happy with 
>mediocrity.
>
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan  8 12:19:55 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  8 12:20:05 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Future of NU basketball
Message-ID: <cc2.84625d4.32d3e54b@aol.com>

I wished I had saved my notes from this discussion that was rampant around  
campus in the late 70's early 80's when I was a student at Cat U.  Serioulsy, 
this is the same probelm NU hoops has had in its entire existence--It  
obviously is hard and having every type of coach from the young upstart, to a  big 
name guy from Duke ,(who had taken Duke to the NCAA finals) to an  
African-american coach, who was hoped amongst his other coaching  skills, could make better 
in-roads to stars from the African- American  community, hasn't done much--I 
have no good answers--Though I do think a key  goal would be to get 2 or 3 top 
recruits the same year , make a big press splash  and hope they could carry us 
to a decent record and build from there--Good luck  !
 
Harry
From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan  8 13:30:23 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Jan  8 13:30:29 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Future of NU basketball
References: <BAY117-F342C00A07CE549A5C02119AEBC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <001301c7335b$73543f10$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

< I'm no recruiting expert, but it seems to me that looking into 
Georgetown's program
> could be instructive.  Their academic standards are on par with ours, and 
> they play successfully in a major conference.  Who are they getting, and 
> how is their system working?  That's what I'd like to know.
>
Observation leads me to believe that academic standards are much relaxed for 
the basketball team at Georgetown.  I am positive, for example, that Allen 
Iverson would never had gotten into Northwestern.  John Thompson took him on 
as a "project" and was reasonably successful off the court and fabulously so 
on court.  On the other hand, he will not be missed in Philadelphia.

<My memory is a bit sketchy, but in 2001-02, we went 7-9 in conference. . 
.In 2003-04, we went 8-8 in <conference . . .  Northwestern never had it so 
good.

That's the problem I have with what you're saying.  You are ecstatic about 
going .500.  That would have been great if and only if they had followed up 
with 10 - 6, then 11 - 5, etc.  You are content with an occasionally peak at 
mediocrity and then the inevitable return trip to Doormatville.  I'm not, 
and the continuing ineptitude of the basketball program is inexcusable. 
Maybe this freshman and sophomore-laden team will be something in a few 
years.  But haven't we said that before?  Perhaps our facilities turn off 
recruits; perhaps the absence of a phys-ed degree turns more away.  The 
history of losing doesn't help.  Whatever is wrong, we ain't fixin' it. 

From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Mon Jan  8 13:42:29 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Mon Jan  8 13:42:31 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] jan 8 nbcsports.com story
In-Reply-To: <33C4F11DF8639640A51C79CB484166FFFAA44D@RKFMLVEM02.e2k.ad.ge.com>
	from "Abrahamson, Alan \(NBC Universal\)" at Jan 08,
	2007 12:01:23 PM
Message-ID: <200701081942.l08JgTOI013571@romaine.tssi.com>

Well written as usual Alan.  I wonder how many readers will associate
your 'no cheering in the pressbox' line with Jerome Holtzman's book by 
that title?

It it just me or do the number of paralyzing incidents in football appear
to be accelerating?  We had one here in Lincoln a year or two ago, it
has roiled the school district administration.

Ohio State has generally travelled well to bowl games.
--
Mike Nolan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan  8 17:00:18 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan  8 16:59:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Future of NU basketball
In-Reply-To: <001301c7335b$73543f10$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <000a01c73378$c479b0b0$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

I don't want to return to being a "doormat" but I'm realistic enough to accept
that we have to become a consistent .500 team to recruit the next level of kid
to move to .750.

The need to be respectible in the big 10 was something that Walker understood,
maybe more than Barnett since RW expected to stay in Evanston for another few
years and continue what he had started. He knew that to get to the next level,
he had to get the present kids playing over their collective heads so we could
recruit more players like this year's football class.

Basketball is a lot tougher in that there are only 5 players on the court with
nowhere to hide when things start to go south. Any team can improve by 30% with
a single player, but it still takes 2, sometimes 3 exceptional talents to play
into the post game tourneys.

I am also not ready to write off 2006-07. The league has figured out how to
interrupt NU's attack, but we still can play defense with the better teams. We
were back door cutting Saturday until they doubled up on Vince Scott. The 3
point shooters on both sides couldn't seem to get the balls to drop and that was
the difference in the game.

At least that's how I saw it....

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:30 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Future of NU basketball
> 
> 
> < I'm no recruiting expert, but it seems to me that looking into 
> Georgetown's program
> > could be instructive.  Their academic standards are on par 
> with ours, 
> > and
> > they play successfully in a major conference.  Who are they 
> getting, and 
> > how is their system working?  That's what I'd like to know.
> >
> Observation leads me to believe that academic standards are 
> much relaxed for 
> the basketball team at Georgetown.  I am positive, for 
> example, that Allen 
> Iverson would never had gotten into Northwestern.  John 
> Thompson took him on 
> as a "project" and was reasonably successful off the court 
> and fabulously so 
> on court.  On the other hand, he will not be missed in Philadelphia.
> 
> <My memory is a bit sketchy, but in 2001-02, we went 7-9 in 
> conference. . 
> .In 2003-04, we went 8-8 in <conference . . .  Northwestern 
> never had it so 
> good.
> 
> That's the problem I have with what you're saying.  You are 
> ecstatic about 
> going .500.  That would have been great if and only if they 
> had followed up 
> with 10 - 6, then 11 - 5, etc.  You are content with an 
> occasionally peak at 
> mediocrity and then the inevitable return trip to 
> Doormatville.  I'm not, 
> and the continuing ineptitude of the basketball program is 
> inexcusable. 
> Maybe this freshman and sophomore-laden team will be 
> something in a few 
> years.  But haven't we said that before?  Perhaps our 
> facilities turn off 
> recruits; perhaps the absence of a phys-ed degree turns more 
> away.  The 
> history of losing doesn't help.  Whatever is wrong, we ain't 
> fixin' it. 
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan  8 17:05:11 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan  8 17:04:14 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/8
Message-ID: <000b01c73379$7322ac20$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

www.PurpleWildcats.com
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New Week Edition
All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Index to online News about Northwestern
University Athletics

BASKETBALL
Men

     Poor Shooting, Scoring Drought Hurt Cats In The Second Half
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/08/Sports/Poor-Shooting.Scoring.Dr
ought.Hurt.Cats.In.The.Second.Half.mens.Basketball-2601571.shtml 
     + Stone Cold Half Dooms NU
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/08/Sports/Stone.Cold.Half.Dooms.Nu
.mens.Basketball-2601563.shtml 

     Rakov:  Cats Set Bar Too High In Early Season
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/08/Sports/Cats-Set.Bar.Too.High.In
.Early.Season-2601554.shtml 

     Next up for the Court Cats:
     @ Michigan State Spartans  -  1/10 7 PM ESPN+
     Spartans Fall To Hoosiers, 73-51
      http://msuspartans.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/010707aaa.html 
     + More road woes
      http://www.statenews.com/article.phtml?pk=39121 
     + Don't be surprised by MSU's showing - Izzo saw it coming
      http://www.statenews.com/article.phtml?pk=39122 
     + Depth issues have Izzo shuffling lineup
      http://www.statenews.com/article.phtml?pk=39080 
     + Poor practices reflected in MSU's loss to Hoosiers
 
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1168227602133980.
xml&coll=1 
     + MSU meekly falls to Indiana
 
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070108/SPORTS0202/701080376/
1132 
     + Indiana routs MSU in Big Ten opener
 
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070107/UPDATE/701070366/1132
/SPORTS0202 
     +  INDIANA 73, MICH. ST. 51: Hoosiers keep Spartans winless in Big Ten
 
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070108/SPORTS07/701080367/1055


Women

     'Cats Suffer Heart-Breaking Loss to Hawks, 63-6
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/010707aab.html 
     +  Late Comeback Goes For Naught As NU Falls Just Short Of Upset Bid
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/08/Sports/Late-Comeback.Goes.For.N
aught.As.Nu.Falls.Just.Short.Of.Upset.Bid.womens.Basketb-2601568.shtml 
     +  'Purple Hair' Brings Fans To Opener
     'Purple Hair' Brings Fans To Opener

     Women's Basketball Conference Play Heats Up on Sunday 
     http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/010207aad.html 


RECRUITING

     Coaching drain leaves W.Va. short in thick of recruiting season
 
http://www.mlive.com/sportsflash/college/index.ssf?/base/sports-21/1168133359182
620.xml&storylist=micollegefb 

SWIMMING

     Northwestern Swims Nine NCAA 'B' Standards, Falls to No. 16 Tennessee,
210-139
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-swim/recaps/010607aaa.html 

MISCELLANY

     Murphy's Mark: Men's Basketball, Wrestling Teams Off to Great Starts
      http://nusports.cstv.com/genrel/010207aae.html 
     A look at the future of the BCS
 
http://www.mlive.com/sportsflash/college/index.ssf?/base/sports-21/1168175643185
410.xml&storylist=micollegefb 

Alumni

     PGA
     Luke Donald  Next up is Sony Open in Hawaii
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r006/ 
     at the Mercedes-Benz Championship
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r016/ 
     + Singh takes Mercedes-Benz title
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6240019.stm 
     + Final results
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r016/results/index.html 

     Tom Johnson also at the Sony Open

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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Mon Jan  8 21:15:35 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Mon Jan  8 21:15:39 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Future of NU basketball
In-Reply-To: <12a101c73343$24c898e0$85492745@hilgraeve.com>
References: <12a101c73343$24c898e0$85492745@hilgraeve.com>
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If you are comparing him to Amaker then you are comparing him to a coach 
who is very likely to be looking for a job in the spring if his team 
doesn't make the tournament after what has been a rather lackluster 
tenure so far.  I, for one, am rather happy that for whatever reason, we 
didn't hire Amaker.  His team's underachieve worse than Carmody's and, 
by his own admission,  he is unable to recruit the caliber of student 
that attends NU.

I am no more pleased about the Cats performance this year than anyone 
else.  I expected more in the Big 10 than we have seen but I probably 
shouldn't have given the warning signs from the win over Wheaton and 
loss to Cornell.  In any event, I'm not ready to throw in the towel on 
Carmody.  As noted, the Princeton offense can be exciting to watch with 
the right players.  I think he can recruit if he can sustain a 
breakthrough into Chicago that appears to have begun in the last couple 
of classes.  I think the addition of Tavaras to the staff will begin to 
pay dividends in the next couple of recruiting classes.  I may be 
looking at this with purple glasses but I'm just not quite ready to give 
it up.
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> So what is it going to take to turn this program around?
>
> Are we all coming to the conclusion that Carmody just isn't the guy?
>
> NU tried to get Amaker.  He went into a terrible situation at Michigan that
> basically got worse as soon as he got there.  They have had success in the
> past, so in some ways it isn't the basketball wasteland that NU is, but Bo
> has also said Michigan will NEVER pay the basketball coach more than the
> football coach.  Amaker has stuck it out and appears to be able to get the
> sort of players that we wish we had.  His kids are graduating and for the
> most part, staying out of trouble.  
>
> Seems like Carmody is the sort of guy who is always going have teams which
> overachieve.  I had hoped that as he works his summer camps and starts to
> build a reputation in the community, he would be able to get better kids who
> valued education over a shot at the NBA.  Instead we are getting better kids
> who still remain projects or have glaring weaknesses (no inside game) rather
> than proven well rounded players.  I think that we are getting better, but
> it is at such a slow rate that we might not see a winning record in the BT
> for another five years.  
>
> Jeff
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 10:46 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Carmody and substituting
>
> NU's basketball team is lacking in talent in every possible category, just
> as it always has been.  It's amazing that Carmody accomplishes what he does
> given that all he has are supporting players.  I doubt there are more than
> one or two players on this team who would be more than a seventh man on any
> other top 30 NCAA team.  As to blaming him for not substitutin, I am going
> to assume that he knows his deep bench players' skills better than anyone on
> this list. 
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  8 21:17:13 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan  8 21:17:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS first half musings ...
Message-ID: <414998.58773.qm@web52907.mail.yahoo.com>

Some thoughts on the big game here in the gorgeous
Valley of the Sun tonight ...

* I guess John McCain can kiss the presidency goodbye.
No Republican has won without Ohio, I believe, and his
opening flop favored electoral power Florida over the
Buckeye state. Ouch!

* Great opening play for OSU!

* Great opening quarter for Florida!

* Quarter beats play every time.

* My guess is that the OSU players are noticing a
great deal of difference between the Notre Dame team
they faced in Phoenix last year and the Florida team
they're facing this year.

* Speaking of the Irish, I'm guessing with all those
players from Florida on his roster that Urban Meyer's
pretty happy with his decision to head to Gainsville
over South Bend a couple years back.

* The long layoff may be an excuse for sloppy
penalties like false starts and such, but there's no
excuse for those dumb, stupid personal fouls OSU had
early that gave Florida's short fields.

* The refs haven't played much of a role yet, but they
sure seem to be giving Florida some awfully generous
spots on their running plays.

* Troy Smith looks a bit out of it.

* If OSU loses, they can blame the playcalling on the
series where they got the ball back after their first
stop, down 21-14. Not only did they NOT call a run
play after the running game got going with Pittman's
earlier TD, they didn't even have a running back on
the field! It's tough to criticize Tressel as a coach,
but that quick 3-and-out series with three poor pass
plays seemed to kill all momentum. Hate to be in
agreement with Barry Alvarez yet again, but when
you're right you're right coach.

* Remember what I said about the refs? They sure ain't
giving Ohio State the kind of generous spots they gave
the Gators (and they appeared to miss a delay of game
call early when the clock ran out for about three
seconds before Florida snapped it).

* Remember what I said about Tressel? Well, criticize
away after that 4th and 1 call. They didn't get much
of a spot (again), but still a dumb call that deep in
your own territory. Who's he think he is, Pete
Carroll? :) At least the D only allowed a turnover
from the call.

* The Bucks need a turnover in the worst way. Oops,
Florida got it first.

* The Bucks need Ginn back in the worst way. Or else
they need to find out who snuck into Troy Smith's
uniform tonight and find out what he did with the real
Mr. Smith.

* That touchdown before the half is huge - remember
that the Gators get it after the half as well.

* I guess we'll have to hear a lot about SEC speed and
strength in the off season ... and a lot about how
that unbeaten Auburn team a couple years back should
have had a shot at the title (on which I agreed with
SEC fans :) ).

* That said, Urban Meyer should still send a very
large thank you gift to UCLA or else we'd have never
even seen this first half and the Gators would have
had to settle for the Sugar Bowl.

* Halftime - worst half of the year from OSU, best
half from the Gators. Will the Bucks wake up in time
to become the first double-BCS winner ... or will yet
another Heisman winner feel the sting of the BCS
curse.

GO CATS!!!
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan  8 21:19:18 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan  8 21:18:23 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] I know its just the first half, but....
Message-ID: <000e01c7339c$f30711b0$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Maybe dOSU should have played a few more tough teams this year?

Dem Gators are having the bucks for dinner

Makes you wonder

rsl

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Mon Jan  8 21:27:35 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  8 21:27:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS first half musings ...
Message-ID: <bd3.d039d2f.32d465a7@aol.com>

Just got back from the Orlando ale house, needless to say the Gator nation  
was delirious.  Yes, Florida played an almost perfect half and dOSU played  
poorly.  30 minutes more football, always interesting to me that we  probably 
root for dOSU since they are BT but down here the FSU fans hate the  Gators so 
much they pull for anybody who can beat UF. Would be interesting to  chart the 
state/state and conference rivals by who hates who and  why.
From Hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan  8 21:31:03 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  8 21:31:13 2007
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] BCS first half musings ...
Message-ID: <d30.1d21446.32d46677@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/8/2007 7:30:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, Hakirsch 
writes:

> With Ginn the game is definitely closer--but still Gator lead--OSU will 
> make a game of it in the second half
> 
> Harry

From jleonard518 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  8 21:42:49 2007
From: jleonard518 at yahoo.com (Jim Leonard)
Date: Mon Jan  8 21:42:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Note to the Buckeye Band
Message-ID: <20070109034249.43323.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

On the off chance that your 'unsinkable' team is getting its butt kicked, you might not want to play music from 'Titanic' at halftime. It reminded me of 1995 when our Director of Bands (Stephen Peterson) had NUMB spell out 'BOWL' at our first home game. Our beloved announcer (Pete Friedman) exclaimed "That's right, a bowl game!" because we had just beaten Notre Dame. You all know the rest....

Victory & Honor,
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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  8 21:47:38 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Mon Jan  8 21:47:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] I know its just the first half, but....
In-Reply-To: <000e01c7339c$f30711b0$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <695357.91282.qm@web52911.mail.yahoo.com>

> Maybe dOSU should have played a few more tough teams
> this year?

Well, I think OSU was one of the few schools who DID
try and play tough teams this year as that Texas-OSU
series seemed well-planned by both athletic directors
to give us a mega-game the past two Septembers. They
can't help the Big Ten schedule.

Right now it just looks like a mix of the layoff, bad
play and calls by OSU and tremendous hunger and effort
by Florida.

Kind of appropriate, I guess, that the OSU band is
playing a halftime show from "Titanic." Ouch!

If anything, it strengthens the call for a playoff --
not only would there be less of a layoff, but imagine
the unpredictability! OSU had been the only team that
really didn't have to sweat it this year (even
Michigan they had control all the way) ... Florida
almost fell at home to Spurrier State and fell apart
at Auburn. USC looked awesome one week and fell to
UCLA the next ... then awesome again. And Boise
State!!! Any given Sun, er Saturday.

What's interesting about this game -- should it
continue this way -- would be that it would be the
first time that one of those 1-loss "should they be
#2" schools actually won the big game.

The BCS has lucked out so far in that when there's
been a #1 unbeaten team vs. a #2 one-loss team that
some questioned whether they deserved to be there, #1
always won (Tennessee over FSU, Miami over Nebraska,
Oklahoma over FSU, etc.). They had some great 1 vs. 2
games of unbeatens (OSU-Miami, Texas-SC) and the
disaster of the three 1-loss year (LSU and USC split
titles), but never a case where the #2 team with one
loss beat an unbeaten #1.

Florida would surely sweep the polls and win the title
undisputed if they hold on - but would they be the
best team overall this year? Would an OSU-USC game or
OSU-Michigan rematch been different, with one-loss and
"still the toughest schedule" Florida forgotten while
playing in the Sugar? Would Florida have beaten SC,
Michigan or even LSU (outside the Swamp) on the field
at the end of the year? And what about the only
unbeaten left in Boise?

I guess the Gators can be thankful that Michigan was
crushed by USC so there's no real close call at teh
top with Wisky and Louisville as the only other 1-loss
teams and neither has a big claim on the top spot.

But I doubt it will change the BCS ... and I guess
JoePa and Wisconsin are the only Big Ten teams who
don't get intimidated by SEC speed and realize you
gotta play to YOUR strengths and pound the darn ball
instead of trying to play their game (like not putting
in a running back for the series when you have the
ball and are down 21-14, opting for three dumb pass
plays and a 3-and-out without trying Pittman).

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Jan  8 22:37:29 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  8 22:37:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Boo Hoo OSU
Message-ID: <c3a.bb2b7d4.32d47609@aol.com>

I know there are still about 11 minutes to go, but the shots of sad Buckeye  
fans (a young boy with tears was the last one, before the cut to the 
commercial)  in the stands and downcast OSU players is just too sweet for this  
OSU-hater.  I tried, out of Big Ten pride, to convince myself to root for  the 
Scarlet and Gray, but I couldn't do it.   And it's not that I love  the Gators at 
all either.  This is the "Nightmare Matchup" BCS Bowl, as far  as I am 
concerned.  Anyway, with this humiliating loss about to happen, Old  Sweater Vest will 
now not be able to recruit EVERY great player in the Midwest,  just most of 
them.  This is one 'Cat fan who will sleep with a smile  tonight.
 
It gives me hope that maybe next year we can give these guys a game at  Ryan.
 
Paul Levinson
From Hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan  8 23:04:33 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan  8 23:04:47 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Boo Hoo OSU
Message-ID: <bc1.9a6b7c4.32d47c61@aol.com>

I guess OSU will go down as another of the great teams beaten in a bowl game 
by Urban Meyer.  Glad to know we are in good company !

Harry
From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Jan  8 23:05:41 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Mon Jan  8 23:05:47 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS first half musings ...
In-Reply-To: <bd3.d039d2f.32d465a7@aol.com>
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MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:
> ...always interesting to me that we  probably 
> root for dOSU since they are BT but down here the FSU fans hate the  Gators so 
> much they pull for anybody who can beat UF. Would be interesting to  chart the 
> state/state and conference rivals by who hates who and  why.
>   

I have a co-worker who is a huge Michigan fan who said, "If al-Qaeda 
fielded a football team and and played in Columbus, I'd root for OSU.  
But if it was the Iranian or North Korean national team, I'd have to 
cheer for the visitors."

-Michael

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  9 00:23:38 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan  9 00:23:40 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Note to the Buckeye Band
In-Reply-To: <20070109034249.43323.qmail@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <222992.42837.qm@web52909.mail.yahoo.com>

> On the off chance that your 'unsinkable' team is
> getting its butt kicked, you might not want to play
> music from 'Titanic' at halftime. It reminded me of

I was laughing and thinking the same thing! That's
almost too easy -- I wonder if any writers at the game
will pick up on it for the stories tomorrow. Sheesh.

Oh well, it'd have been nice for Big Ten pride, but
you can never be too sad to have OSU lose a game.:)

I remember a few years back when the Big Ten didn't
have a basketball tournament and the teams were having
a dry stretch in the NCAAs and the call was that the
league needed a tourney to "better prepare" teams for
March Madness (total hogwash, as Clem Haskins showed
in the year before the tourney began that all you
needed were a few creative tutors :) ) ... now we'll
have to see if the long layoff discussion after the
complete eggs laid by OSU and Michigan (along with the
BCS leapfrog game) will lead the Big Ten to perhaps
schedule games later in the season ... or at least
take the Pac 10 route and move one or two key games
back a couple weeks to give the league exposure and
keep teams "fresh."

Tomorrow we all start at 0-0 again and hope can spring
eternal for purple-clad enthusiasts. I'd love to see
"Phitz in Phoenix" next year ... or even better!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Tue Jan  9 06:13:13 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Tue Jan  9 06:13:14 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Food for Thought
Message-ID: <fcb3ee270701090413t6d103117k7219a84ec82be56f@mail.gmail.com>

 Northwestern beat
Iowa who beat
Iowa St who beat
Missouri who beat
Mississippi who beat
Vanderbilt who beat
Georgia who beat
Auburn who beat
Florida

Maybe this speaks to parity in college football or just that the college
game is so up and down over the course of the season that it's almost
impossible to run the table without the aid of an easy schedule or a "down"
year in your respective conference.

In any case I'm sure the game last night silenced most of those who wanted
to dole out the championship to the likes of Louisville or another 1 loss
team.

I'm just waiting for the 2007 season to start now.  Go 'Cats!!!

Jonathan

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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Jan  9 06:54:20 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  9 06:54:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Gators
Message-ID: <d10.255bc99.32d4ea7c@aol.com>

The poor FSU fans now have to put up with Gators wearing combo national  
champ T shirts for both basketball and football.  First time one  school has won 
both titles in the same year, I think.
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Tue Jan  9 09:25:09 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Tue Jan  9 09:25:13 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Gators (fwd)
Message-ID: <200701091525.l09FP9Ii022649@romaine.tssi.com>

> The poor FSU fans now have to put up with Gators wearing combo national  
> champ T shirts for both basketball and football.  First time one  school has won 
> both titles in the same year, I think.

Yeah, they said that on the broadcast last night, though what REALLY
happened is that Florida won the men's NCAA tournament LAST year and the 
football MNC THIS year.  Didn't Oklahoma win them both in the same
school year once?  

Also, didn't CT win both the men's and women's BB tournaments in the 
same year?

The Big 10 really laid an egg in the Bowls this year (as did the Big 12.)  
I wonder how much of that is due to the matchups they have preordained, eg 
the Big 10 #5 against Big East #3 stuff?
--
Mike Nolan

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan  9 10:28:04 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan  9 10:27:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Gators
In-Reply-To: <d10.255bc99.32d4ea7c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002801c7340b$23642a00$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

There have been national champs from both sides but I don't' remember it off
hand...

I also thought there was an NFL/College champ thing once, Florida and Miami
Dolphins?

Don't have the time to look it up right now, but I bet Willie W knows.

rsl

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> 
> 
> The poor FSU fans now have to put up with Gators wearing 
> combo national  
> champ T shirts for both basketball and football.  First time 
> one  school has won 
> both titles in the same year, I think. 
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From Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com  Tue Jan  9 10:38:26 2007
From: Willie.Weinbaum at espn.com (Weinbaum, Willie)
Date: Tue Jan  9 10:38:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Gators
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Message-ID: <EBEB58980DB31543B690E276B97F695602A98B32@XCHGNYM2.corp.espn.pvt>

Perhaps this will suffice:

The Florida Gators are now the defending national champions in football
and basketball, the first school in Division I history to be able to
make that claim. 

Haven't seen other pertinent research yet to answer some of other pts
raised.

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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Gators

There have been national champs from both sides but I don't' remember it
off hand...

I also thought there was an NFL/College champ thing once, Florida and
Miami Dolphins?

Don't have the time to look it up right now, but I bet Willie W knows.

rsl

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> 
> 
> The poor FSU fans now have to put up with Gators wearing combo 
> national champ T shirts for both basketball and football.  First time 
> one  school has won both titles in the same year, I think.
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From alan.abrahamson at nbcuni.com  Tue Jan  9 10:38:58 2007
From: alan.abrahamson at nbcuni.com (Abrahamson, Alan (NBC Universal))
Date: Tue Jan  9 10:40:12 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Gators
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This is the first time in NCAA history that one school has held the fb
and basketball titles in the same year. It's official.
 - Alan 

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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Gators

There have been national champs from both sides but I don't' remember it
off hand...

I also thought there was an NFL/College champ thing once, Florida and
Miami Dolphins?

Don't have the time to look it up right now, but I bet Willie W knows.

rsl

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> 
> The poor FSU fans now have to put up with Gators wearing combo 
> national champ T shirts for both basketball and football.  First time 
> one  school has won both titles in the same year, I think.
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Jan  9 10:40:22 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Jan  9 10:41:42 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Gators (fwd)
Message-ID: <20070109.084115.775.110201@webmail22.nyc.untd.com>

Big Ten vs. SEC 2-1 -- not bad, winning both Florida bowls is not an 
often occurrence
Big Ten vs. USC -- always bad  
Iowa vs. Texas -- bad matchup, which seems to happen a lot in the 
Alamo bowl
Purdue and Minnesota -- no excuses

>From the Rose Bowl and the sort-of Fiesta Bowl it seemed clear that 
the Big Ten can not apply or repel pressure.  Both USC and Florida the 
opposing QBs, while neither tOSU or UofM could do likewise.

-- Mike Nolan <nolan@romaine.tssi.com> wrote:
<snip>
The Big 10 really laid an egg in the Bowls this year (as did the Big 
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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  9 10:52:27 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Tue Jan  9 10:52:29 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten teams on winning streaks going into 2007
Message-ID: <25660655.1168361547483.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

As it turns out, the only Big Ten teams to finish the season with a victory were NU, Penn State and Wisconsin.  The Nittany Lions and the Badgers just happen to be the two teams that we will not face next season.  Yes indeed, every conference team we play in 2007 enters the season with a losing streak!  As for our non-conference opponents, Duke, Nevada and Eastern Michigan also ended 2006 with a loss.  Only first-game opponent Northeastern finished this past season with a victory.  -- Jim B.

From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jan  9 11:10:09 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jan  9 11:10:12 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten teams on winning streaks going into 2007
References: <25660655.1168361547483.JavaMail.root@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <002b01c73411$048c9940$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

<Only first-game opponent Northeastern finished this past season with a 
victory.  -- Jim B.
>
And we better beat them by 40! 

From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jan  9 11:34:03 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jan  9 11:34:07 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Northeastern
References: <31a.289183a6.32d52709@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004501c73414$5b7bf8b0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

< These guys beat UNH this past season

In that cast we should beat them by 50!  I don't want to lose to no stinkin' 1AA team!
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan  9 12:11:14 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan  9 12:11:55 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big Ten teams on winning streaks going into 2007
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If we have a QB who can both run and throw ....

We Will

Expect Victory
rsl

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> going into 2007
> 
> 
> <Only first-game opponent Northeastern finished this past 
> season with a 
> victory.  -- Jim B.
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Jan  9 12:20:43 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Jan  9 12:23:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Note to the Buckeye Band
In-Reply-To: <222992.42837.qm@web52909.mail.yahoo.com>
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It was a pretty embarrassing end of the season for both Michigan and OSU.  

People were ready to accept that Carr got out coached by Carroll.  They were
also ready to accept that Carr got out PR'd by Meyer.  Admitting that "walk
on water" Tressel got out coached by Meyer, however, is a much tougher pill
to swallow.

But sometimes the truth is painful for those who prefer the comfort of their
delusions.

My youth in Nebraska was filled with disappointments as our hefty
cold-weather huskers attempted to overcome our state's sense of inferiority
by proving that we at least knew how to play football.  Our kids got whupped
year after year by smaller quicker warm-weather teams coming from much more
glamorous parts of the country.  This game had a very similar flavor.  

Jeff




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> On the off chance that your 'unsinkable' team is getting its butt 
> kicked, you might not want to play music from 'Titanic' at halftime. 
> It reminded me of

I was laughing and thinking the same thing! That's almost too easy -- I
wonder if any writers at the game will pick up on it for the stories
tomorrow. Sheesh.

Oh well, it'd have been nice for Big Ten pride, but you can never be too sad
to have OSU lose a game.:)

I remember a few years back when the Big Ten didn't have a basketball
tournament and the teams were having a dry stretch in the NCAAs and the call
was that the league needed a tourney to "better prepare" teams for March
Madness (total hogwash, as Clem Haskins showed in the year before the
tourney began that all you needed were a few creative tutors :) ) ... now
we'll have to see if the long layoff discussion after the complete eggs laid
by OSU and Michigan (along with the BCS leapfrog game) will lead the Big Ten
to perhaps schedule games later in the season ... or at least take the Pac
10 route and move one or two key games back a couple weeks to give the
league exposure and keep teams "fresh."

Tomorrow we all start at 0-0 again and hope can spring eternal for
purple-clad enthusiasts. I'd love to see "Phitz in Phoenix" next year ... or
even better!

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Tue Jan  9 14:22:13 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Tue Jan  9 14:22:14 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Still feeling ecstatic!
Message-ID: <6940571.1168374133370.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

It's nearly a day later, but words can still hardly express my joy that neither of my two most despised teams, SC and Ohio State, won the national championship.  For a while this season, it looked like the championship game would indeed be what I called the Bowl From Hell.  But, somehow, UCLA spoiled the season for SC in an amazing defensive performance.  Then, there was last night.  I was rooting for Florida, but I never for one moment before the game felt that the Gators would win.  But what a performance!  To shut up all of those sanctimonious, arrogant Buckeye fans was a truly beautiful thing.  During the second half, every time the cameras showed an OSU cheerleader, an OSU older fan, or a kid who was rooting for OSU, they were all crying.  Truly glorious!  -- Jim B. 

From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Jan  9 15:18:42 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  9 15:18:48 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Still feeling ecstatic!
Message-ID: <cba.8610ed0.32d560b2@aol.com>

such schadenfreude, I agree, although  the joy of the Gator nation was also 
nice.
From tkmaycock at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  9 15:51:45 2007
From: tkmaycock at yahoo.com (Tom Maycock)
Date: Tue Jan  9 15:51:45 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Still feeling ecstatic!
In-Reply-To: <6940571.1168374133370.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
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> To shut up all of those
> sanctimonious, arrogant Buckeye fans was a truly beautiful thing. 
> During the second half, every time the cameras showed an OSU
> cheerleader, an OSU older fan, or a kid who was rooting for OSU, they
> were all crying.  Truly glorious!  

Agreed. 

You know, I tried to root for Big Ten, in the form of OSU, but I just
couldn't do it. Even against Florida. 

Every time I'd start to feel a little bad for Troy Smith (who seems
like a good guy), I'd think of one of my many negative experiences with
OSU fans, and the feeling would go away. 

In particular, I'd recall being booed by a car full of OSU fans, who
passed us as we were walking to the game this past year, a mile from
the stadium, for no reason other than we were wearing NU colors. 

I mean, who does that sort of thing? No other fans from the Big Ten in
my experience. Well, maybe Iowa fans, but OSU fans make Iowa fans look
good. 

So, the images of those stunned OSU faces will live with me for a
while. Like the memory of a particularly enjoyable meal. 

Tom

From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Tue Jan  9 19:03:29 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Tue Jan  9 19:04:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Gators
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To be fair, it's the first time one school has held both titles at the 
same time, but the Gators won them in separate academic years.
Mark

MHRJGScott@aol.com wrote:
> The poor FSU fans now have to put up with Gators wearing combo national  
> champ T shirts for both basketball and football.  First time one  school has won 
> both titles in the same year, I think.
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Tue Jan  9 19:17:01 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  9 19:17:11 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Gators
Message-ID: <d1c.260ffde.32d5988d@aol.com>

 
Well their T shirts say that they are the 2006 national champs in both  which 
is true, you got to give them credit, and academically UF is pretty strong  
these days, maybe not for the jocks, and maybe NU has something to learn from  
them. 

To be  fair, it's the first time one school has held both titles at the 
same  time, but the Gators won them in separate academic  years.
Mark





From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Jan  9 21:26:35 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Jan  9 21:29:36 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Still feeling ecstatic!
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Message-ID: <03db01c73467$220cab80$85492745@hilgraeve.com>

The Gator players spent a lot of time taunting and posturing, though.

And Meyer's fast track from BG to Utah to Florida has to cause you some
heartburn.  How much longer until we see him in the NFL?

He coached the socks off Tressel, but he also was a self promoting whiner
from pretty much the start of the season.

So obviously from my position, this was the Bowl from Hell.

Jeff


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Behalf Of Jim Bendat
Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 3:22 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Still feeling ecstatic!

It's nearly a day later, but words can still hardly express my joy that
neither of my two most despised teams, SC and Ohio State, won the national
championship.  For a while this season, it looked like the championship game
would indeed be what I called the Bowl From Hell.  But, somehow, UCLA
spoiled the season for SC in an amazing defensive performance.  Then, there
was last night.  I was rooting for Florida, but I never for one moment
before the game felt that the Gators would win.  But what a performance!  To
shut up all of those sanctimonious, arrogant Buckeye fans was a truly
beautiful thing.  During the second half, every time the cameras showed an
OSU cheerleader, an OSU older fan, or a kid who was rooting for OSU, they
were all crying.  Truly glorious!  -- Jim B. 

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  9 21:57:32 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Tue Jan  9 21:57:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] BCS notes ...
In-Reply-To: <01d501c7341a$dfd7e2d0$85492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <93730.93664.qm@web52904.mail.yahoo.com>

> People were ready to accept that Carr got out
> coached by Carroll.  They were
> also ready to accept that Carr got out PR'd by
> Meyer.  Admitting that "walk
> on water" Tressel got out coached by Meyer, however,

Definitely - that certainly shocked me. I expected
Meyer to have tricks up his sleeve, but I never
expected Tressel and his staff to be caught in the
headlights and unable to find an answer in a big game.

I go back to that series where they finally made a
stop and had the ball down 21-14 ... the lack of a run
attempt baffles me. In 2002, Tressel's staff used an
aggressive defense and power offense to take out a
Miami team that was faster and more talented. Last
night they were passive on D and didn't even try and
shove it down the Gators' throats on offense.

Oh well, Tressel and Smith were true class acts after
the game, but it's still hard to shed tears for the
Bucknuts or their mass exodus of fans from Phoenix
today.

Some other interesting BCS notes ...

* As I mentioned, Florida becomes the first one-loss
#2 BCS team to beat the unbeaten #1 team in four tries
during the BCS reign. Thankfully for Gator fans, the
other 1-loss team with a claim to the title shot laid
an egg in their bowl.

* Ohio State becomes the fifth school to fail in its
attempt to win a second BCS championship, joining FSU,
Oklahoma, Miami and USC.

* The SEC becomes the first league with three
different BCS champions - all by different schools.

* No respect? There have been two BCS champions with
one loss ... both are from the SEC. So maybe their
tough schedule does get them some respect.

* No respect? Part Deux: There has been only one BCS
conference school to finish unbeaten and NOT get a
shot at the title. The one-loss Gators and Tigers get
the ring but no love for their SEC brethren Auburn,
who made it through the brutal league unbeaten in 2004
only to be left out of the title game.

* Finally, not only did Florida win SEC bragging
rights for this year, they also helped the SEC take
over for the Big Ten for supremacy in the nine-year
history of the BCS. The Big Ten still has the most
appearances with 15 in 9 years (the SEC has 13), but
with LSU and Florida winning and OSU and Michigan
losing, the SEC now has the most wins by a BCS
conference at 9 and the best percentage with .692
(9-4). LSU also takes over as the best record by a
school with multiple BCS appearances at 3-0 (Ohio
State had been 4-0). Notre Dame is at the bottom with
an 0-3 mark, followed by Florida State at 1-5.

But cheer up Big Ten folk - we still have our depth
and prestige. In the Big Te(leve)n era, the Big Ten
has received 22 BCS/Bowl Alliance bids in 14 years -
the most of any league - and 8 of our schools have
been involved in those major bowls, more than any
other league except the Pac 10 (which has also had 8
teams). And if you count PSU'94, we join the SEC and
Big XII with three schools who were national champs in
that span - and they're more top-heavy with only 6 of
their 12 schools in each league joining in the big
bowl fun.

OK, I'm a stats geek, but you gotta do something
during those four blah BCS games (thank goodness for
the Fiesta Bowl!) ... one more stat for good measure
on the side of futility - the Big East and ACC are the
only BCS leagues to have never received an extra
at-large bid and also have the worst mark overall with
the ACC at a lousy 1-8 (the Big Least only climbed
into the winning side thanks to Louisville and WVU the
past two years - they've now passed the Big XII, which
is 5-7). 

And Notre Dame is 0-5 in BCS bowls during those 14
years - the record of the only other non-BCS league
schools who have crashed the BCS party? 2-0 (Utah and
BSU).

Time for hoops and spring football. My favorite stat
of the week is the one I read earlier on the list -
we're one of only three Big Ten teams to enter next
year with a winning streak!:)

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
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From whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  9 23:27:03 2007
From: whosonfirst81 at yahoo.com (Ben Adler)
Date: Tue Jan  9 23:27:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
In-Reply-To: <93730.93664.qm@web52904.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <929053.9250.qm@web60717.mail.yahoo.com>

No one's brought this inconvenient question up yet, so I'll throw it out there.  Clearly, the Big Ten's credibility has taken a hit (at least this year) thanks to the BCS nosedives of its top two teams.  Did the voters and computers give Big Ten teams too much credit?  Or did the 45- and 50-day layoffs for Michigan and Ohio State hurt the conference's credibility?  Or somewhere in between?
   
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From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan  9 23:58:07 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan  9 23:58:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
Message-ID: <bf.76ff8d87.32d5da6f@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/9/2007 9:28:26 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
whosonfirst81@yahoo.com writes:

> 
> No one's brought this inconvenient question up yet, so I'll throw it out 
> there.  Clearly, the Big Ten's credibility has taken a hit (at least this year) 
> thanks to the BCS nosedives of its top two teams.  Did the voters and 
> computers give Big Ten teams too much credit?  Or did the 45- and 50-day layoffs for 
> Michigan and Ohio State hurt the conference's credibility?  Or somewhere in 
> between?
>   
> 

In my mind both---  The layoffs , no matter what the coaches said, had to 
hurt.
but I also think the SEC is better than the BT, though no other conference 
comes close to the 2 of us .-I think at the top of the BT ,we are as good if not 
better than the SEC--Our top 4 could stay with anyone-in the country-although 
not all of time (witness USC and Fla--) However I think the SEC bottom teams 
would have generally cleaned the bottom of the BT this year and in aggregate 
is a better conference--

Harry
From DPENDERG at aol.com  Wed Jan 10 05:36:30 2007
From: DPENDERG at aol.com (DPENDERG@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 10 05:36:37 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
Message-ID: <487.18a7a4a0.32d629be@aol.com>

 
There is a larger issue because we have seen in recent years the  emergence 
of the Sunbelt states (Florida-Texas-California) as the principal  source for 
top young football talent replacing Ohio and Pennsylvania.  The  sport is a 
year-round activity at many high schools in that area with huge  community 
investments in the programs there. The Big Ten's main talent base --  the Midwest -- 
just is not producing the overall quantity and quality that  exists in the 
Sunbelt states these days. Of course, Big Ten schools are trying  to recruit 
with modest success in those areas, but schools such as Florida,  Texas, and USC 
will always have a huge advantage.  And, we see the results  in the recent 
Bowl games.
 
 
In a message dated 1/10/2007 12:28:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
whosonfirst81@yahoo.com writes:

No one's  brought this inconvenient question up yet, so I'll throw it out 
there.   Clearly, the Big Ten's credibility has taken a hit (at least this year) 
thanks  to the BCS nosedives of its top two teams.  Did the voters and 
computers  give Big Ten teams too much credit?  Or did the 45- and 50-day layoffs  
for Michigan and Ohio State hurt the conference's credibility?  Or  somewhere in 
between?

--  Ben

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan 10 06:37:12 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jan 10 06:36:12 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
In-Reply-To: <929053.9250.qm@web60717.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004901c734b4$0daabf40$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

After watching the debacles with our top [read Bowl] teams this year....

I have changed by long standing belief that we don't need a playoff in the Big
10.

We need to put Michigan and dOSU in separate divisions and then split the
conference NE to SW, with NU, Iowa, Minny, Wisconsin and Michigan in one Div and
the rest in another.

Yes it would screw up that annual dOSU/UM thing, but I'm sure they'd get over
it.

They could play the league championship in Soldier Field or Indy every year.

Then we wouldn't have an almost 2 month layoff between our final game and the
bowls.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Ben Adler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:27 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
> 
> 
> No one's brought this inconvenient question up yet, so I'll 
> throw it out there.  Clearly, the Big Ten's credibility has 
> taken a hit (at least this year) thanks to the BCS nosedives 
> of its top two teams.  Did the voters and computers give Big 
> Ten teams too much credit?  Or did the 45- and 50-day layoffs 
> for Michigan and Ohio State hurt the conference's 
> credibility?  Or somewhere in between?
>    
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Wed Jan 10 06:40:13 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Wed Jan 10 06:41:30 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Still feeling ecstatic!
Message-ID: <20070110.044019.27416.1634235@webmail34.nyc.untd.com>

I don't mind be booed, meowed at, "here kitty kitty", etc. as long as 
they don't use profanity, physical intimidation, or throw things.  The 
fact that they are concerned enough to treat us as a rival is an 
accomplishment.

If/when we beat Northeastern I expect not to hear any "taunting".  On 
the other hand if/when we beat Michigan I expect some fans will whoop 
it up.

-- Tom Maycock <tkmaycock@yahoo.com> wrote:
> To shut up all of those
<snip>
In particular, I'd recall being booed by a car full of OSU fans, who
passed us as we were walking to the game this past year, a mile from
the stadium, for no reason other than we were wearing NU colors. 

I mean, who does that sort of thing? No other fans from the Big Ten in
my experience. Well, maybe Iowa fans, but OSU fans make Iowa fans look
good. 
<snip>


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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Jan 10 07:06:11 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Jan 10 07:06:15 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
In-Reply-To: <004901c734b4$0daabf40$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <929053.9250.qm@web60717.mail.yahoo.com>
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In order to split into 2 divisions and get that championship game the Big
Ten would need an additional member.  We all know ND isn't going to join
anytime soon - that's about as likely as a playoff in Div. I-A.  I don't see
any likely candidates outside of that unless the B10 raids another big
conference (i.e. Big XII) and it doesn't look like that would happen,
especially after they sat on the sideline during this most recent conference
realignment.

While a conference championship seems nice, I don't think I'm for it because
without a playoff system that includes only conference champions (which will
probably never happen) the championship game is worthless.  Sometimes the
games generate buzz, but many times they just create controversy - see 2001
Nebraska going to the national championship without winning their own
division and 2004 Oklahoma going to the championship after losing their
conference championship game.

Also it eliminates many conference rivalries due to the division split.

Anyways I just don't see it happening for the B10.

Jonathan

On 1/10/07, Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
>
> After watching the debacles with our top [read Bowl] teams this year....
>
> I have changed by long standing belief that we don't need a playoff in the
> Big
> 10.
>
> We need to put Michigan and dOSU in separate divisions and then split the
> conference NE to SW, with NU, Iowa, Minny, Wisconsin and Michigan in one
> Div and
> the rest in another.
>
> Yes it would screw up that annual dOSU/UM thing, but I'm sure they'd get
> over
> it.
>
> They could play the league championship in Soldier Field or Indy every
> year.
>
> Then we wouldn't have an almost 2 month layoff between our final game and
> the
> bowls.
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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> (http://www.purplewildcats.com)
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> > [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Ben Adler
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:27 AM
> > To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
> >
> >
> > No one's brought this inconvenient question up yet, so I'll
> > throw it out there.  Clearly, the Big Ten's credibility has
> > taken a hit (at least this year) thanks to the BCS nosedives
> > of its top two teams.  Did the voters and computers give Big
> > Ten teams too much credit?  Or did the 45- and 50-day layoffs
> > for Michigan and Ohio State hurt the conference's
> > credibility?  Or somewhere in between?
> >
> >   -- Ben
> >
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From yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Jan 10 08:11:35 2007
From: yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu (Evan Bradley)
Date: Wed Jan 10 08:11:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
In-Reply-To: <004901c734b4$0daabf40$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <929053.9250.qm@web60717.mail.yahoo.com>
	<004901c734b4$0daabf40$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <914d6aa90701100611v51f02729tdf16177af2a10284@mail.gmail.com>

Also no NU/Illinois, or Michigan/MSU, if anyone cares, unless you make
rivalry games a designated out-of-division game...but I don't see any
of this happening, either.  From a fan standpoint, I like the idea of
a 10-game conference schedule, but I suppose that isn't as good for
the collective records/bowl hopes of the conference, since someone has
to lose those games that could have been won out of conference; oh,
well.

On 1/10/07, Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
> After watching the debacles with our top [read Bowl] teams this year....
>
> I have changed by long standing belief that we don't need a playoff in the Big
> 10.
>
> We need to put Michigan and dOSU in separate divisions and then split the
> conference NE to SW, with NU, Iowa, Minny, Wisconsin and Michigan in one Div and
> the rest in another.
>
> Yes it would screw up that annual dOSU/UM thing, but I'm sure they'd get over
> it.
>
> They could play the league championship in Soldier Field or Indy every year.
>
> Then we wouldn't have an almost 2 month layoff between our final game and the
> bowls.
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> and Publisher of Purple Reign,
> The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
> (http://www.purplewildcats.com)
> AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
> ======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All ===========
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> ============================================
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> > [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Ben Adler
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:27 AM
> > To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
> >
> >
> > No one's brought this inconvenient question up yet, so I'll
> > throw it out there.  Clearly, the Big Ten's credibility has
> > taken a hit (at least this year) thanks to the BCS nosedives
> > of its top two teams.  Did the voters and computers give Big
> > Ten teams too much credit?  Or did the 45- and 50-day layoffs
> > for Michigan and Ohio State hurt the conference's
> > credibility?  Or somewhere in between?
> >
> >   -- Ben
> >

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Jan 10 08:13:03 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Jan 10 08:16:03 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
In-Reply-To: <004901c734b4$0daabf40$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <059901c734c1$7137c000$85492745@hilgraeve.com>

If divisional playoff also means the end to the annual OSU/Mich game, it
won't ever happen.  

I think that the ONLY thing that could potentially move this would be ND
joining the conference.  Then you could build an east and west division with
OSU, Michigan, PSU, MSU, Purdue, and Indy in the east and ND, Iowa, Wisky,
Ill, Minny, and NU in the west.

The only one giving up a "rival" game is ND with it's Indiana neighbors and
that isn't that much of a rival game anyway.  ND would potentially view this
as a conference that it could dominate and thus guarantee a yearly big game
for the BT championship.  The rest of the folks in the west might be happy
about it too because they would only have to play the winner of the east and
not have to face both OSU and Michigan most years.  Joe Pa would be happy
too because he would finally have Michigan on his schedule every year.
Unfortunately, though I certainly don't wish him ill, I suspect that Joe
won't live long enough to see this come to pass.

Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:37 AM
To: 'Ben Adler'; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?

After watching the debacles with our top [read Bowl] teams this year....

I have changed by long standing belief that we don't need a playoff in the
Big 10.

We need to put Michigan and dOSU in separate divisions and then split the
conference NE to SW, with NU, Iowa, Minny, Wisconsin and Michigan in one Div
and the rest in another.

Yes it would screw up that annual dOSU/UM thing, but I'm sure they'd get
over it.

They could play the league championship in Soldier Field or Indy every year.

Then we wouldn't have an almost 2 month layoff between our final game and
the bowls.

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Ben Adler
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:27 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
> 
> 
> No one's brought this inconvenient question up yet, so I'll throw it 
> out there.  Clearly, the Big Ten's credibility has taken a hit (at 
> least this year) thanks to the BCS nosedives of its top two teams.  
> Did the voters and computers give Big Ten teams too much credit?  Or 
> did the 45- and 50-day layoffs for Michigan and Ohio State hurt the 
> conference's credibility?  Or somewhere in between?
>    
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From tbng at comcast.net  Wed Jan 10 08:41:54 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Wed Jan 10 08:41:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Big 10 playoff
References: <929053.9250.qm@web60717.mail.yahoo.com><004901c734b4$0daabf40$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>
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Not having a Big 10 championship game is like starting your car with a 
crank, i.e., that should have changed long ago.  The long layoff is one of 
the reasons the Big 10 does not bowl well - and I don't mean getting a 7 - 
10 split.  Perhaps it's time to make Notre Shame an offer they can't refuse. 
If not, either find someone else or drop Penn State and let them go back to 
the east where they belong.  (Won't happen, but no one above 40 in 
Pennsylvania has ever been able to accept Penn State as a Big 10 team.  They 
need to be playing Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, Boston College, Maryland, 
and now Rutgers.) 

From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Wed Jan 10 08:48:14 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Wed Jan 10 08:50:21 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
In-Reply-To: <fcb3ee270701100506s7226ae49kb504917d8737fdf3@mail.gmail.com>
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I for one am adamantly opposed to conference championship games which 
are played for one reason, and one reason only and that is money.  
Traditionally, the games hurt the chances of the conference to win the 
BCS championship. present year excluded of course, as having to play an 
extra game only increases the chances for an upset, an injury or any of 
the myriad things you can conjure up that will befall a team that will 
derail its road to a title. 

There are two major reasons the Big Ten is unlikely to embrace a 
championship game any time soon and we have already mentioned one: you 
need 12 teams and there is no appetite for expansion.  In addition, 
there is no current desire to add to the season or extend it past 
Thanksgiving.  I think that thinking is misguided as the long layoff 
hurts the bowl teams and there is nothing inherently wrong with playing 
the first week of December, but that is the current thinking of the 
presidents.  In the Big Ten, the presidents rule, unlike some other 
conferences we know where their decisions are rubber stamps of the ADs.

Another factor in their thinking is continued symmetry with the Pac-10.  
There is a desire for both conferences to remain without championship 
games or adopt them at the same time.  Since neither is in expansion 
mode, and likely won't be for at least four more years due to recently 
signed TV contracts, don't expect any further serious discussions about 
it before then.
Mark

Jonathan Hodges wrote:
> In order to split into 2 divisions and get that championship game the Big
> Ten would need an additional member.  We all know ND isn't going to join
> anytime soon - that's about as likely as a playoff in Div. I-A.  I 
> don't see
> any likely candidates outside of that unless the B10 raids another big
> conference (i.e. Big XII) and it doesn't look like that would happen,
> especially after they sat on the sideline during this most recent 
> conference
> realignment.
>
> While a conference championship seems nice, I don't think I'm for it 
> because
> without a playoff system that includes only conference champions 
> (which will
> probably never happen) the championship game is worthless.  Sometimes the
> games generate buzz, but many times they just create controversy - see 
> 2001
> Nebraska going to the national championship without winning their own
> division and 2004 Oklahoma going to the championship after losing their
> conference championship game.
>
> Also it eliminates many conference rivalries due to the division split.
>
> Anyways I just don't see it happening for the B10.
>
> Jonathan
>
> On 1/10/07, Roy Lamberton <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
>>
>> After watching the debacles with our top [read Bowl] teams this year....
>>
>> I have changed by long standing belief that we don't need a playoff 
>> in the
>> Big
>> 10.
>>
>> We need to put Michigan and dOSU in separate divisions and then split 
>> the
>> conference NE to SW, with NU, Iowa, Minny, Wisconsin and Michigan in one
>> Div and
>> the rest in another.
>>
>> Yes it would screw up that annual dOSU/UM thing, but I'm sure they'd get
>> over
>> it.
>>
>> They could play the league championship in Soldier Field or Indy every
>> year.
>>
>> Then we wouldn't have an almost 2 month layoff between our final game 
>> and
>> the
>> bowls.
>>
>> rsl
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>> Computer Applications & Support Associates
>> and Publisher of Purple Reign,
>> The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
>> (http://www.purplewildcats.com)
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>>      If you can keep it" - Benjamin Franklin
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>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
>> > [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Ben Adler
>> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:27 AM
>> > To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
>> > Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
>> >
>> >
>> > No one's brought this inconvenient question up yet, so I'll
>> > throw it out there.  Clearly, the Big Ten's credibility has
>> > taken a hit (at least this year) thanks to the BCS nosedives
>> > of its top two teams.  Did the voters and computers give Big
>> > Ten teams too much credit?  Or did the 45- and 50-day layoffs
>> > for Michigan and Ohio State hurt the conference's
>> > credibility?  Or somewhere in between?
>> >
>> >   -- Ben
>> >
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Wed Jan 10 08:52:18 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 10 08:52:37 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
Message-ID: <c8d.70c2937.32d657a2@aol.com>

Jeff,

Your proposed East-West division looks unbalanced to me.  I think  the East 
is a "beast" and the West far weaker on balance, at least at this point  in 
time.  OSU, Mich., and PSU are "perennial powers", while only ND (and  perhaps 
Wisky) qualify for that label in the West.  Perhaps when JoePa  leaves the 
scene, Penn State will slip, but I doubt it; I think they will go  hard after Greg 
Schiano.  
 
Paul Levinson
From yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu  Wed Jan 10 09:41:36 2007
From: yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu (Evan Bradley)
Date: Wed Jan 10 09:41:37 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
In-Reply-To: <059901c734c1$7137c000$85492745@hilgraeve.com>
References: <004901c734b4$0daabf40$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>
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I'd like to see how they try to hide a '12' in the BigTen logo...

On 1/10/07, Jeff Beamsley <jeffb@hilgraeve.com> wrote:
> If divisional playoff also means the end to the annual OSU/Mich game, it
> won't ever happen.
>
> I think that the ONLY thing that could potentially move this would be ND
> joining the conference.  Then you could build an east and west division with
> OSU, Michigan, PSU, MSU, Purdue, and Indy in the east and ND, Iowa, Wisky,
> Ill, Minny, and NU in the west.
>
> The only one giving up a "rival" game is ND with it's Indiana neighbors and
> that isn't that much of a rival game anyway.  ND would potentially view this
> as a conference that it could dominate and thus guarantee a yearly big game
> for the BT championship.  The rest of the folks in the west might be happy
> about it too because they would only have to play the winner of the east and
> not have to face both OSU and Michigan most years.  Joe Pa would be happy
> too because he would finally have Michigan on his schedule every year.
> Unfortunately, though I certainly don't wish him ill, I suspect that Joe
> won't live long enough to see this come to pass.
>
> Jeff
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:37 AM
> To: 'Ben Adler'; nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
>
> After watching the debacles with our top [read Bowl] teams this year....
>
> I have changed by long standing belief that we don't need a playoff in the
> Big 10.
>
> We need to put Michigan and dOSU in separate divisions and then split the
> conference NE to SW, with NU, Iowa, Minny, Wisconsin and Michigan in one Div
> and the rest in another.
>
> Yes it would screw up that annual dOSU/UM thing, but I'm sure they'd get
> over it.
>
> They could play the league championship in Soldier Field or Indy every year.
>
> Then we wouldn't have an almost 2 month layoff between our final game and
> the bowls.
>
> rsl
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
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> The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
> (http://www.purplewildcats.com)
> AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
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>      If you can keep it" - Benjamin Franklin
> ============================================
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com
> > [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Ben Adler
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:27 AM
> > To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
> >
> >
> > No one's brought this inconvenient question up yet, so I'll throw it
> > out there.  Clearly, the Big Ten's credibility has taken a hit (at
> > least this year) thanks to the BCS nosedives of its top two teams.
> > Did the voters and computers give Big Ten teams too much credit?  Or
> > did the 45- and 50-day layoffs for Michigan and Ohio State hurt the
> > conference's credibility?  Or somewhere in between?
> >
> >   -- Ben
> >

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Wed Jan 10 09:41:57 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Wed Jan 10 09:42:19 2007
Subject: Fwd: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
Message-ID: <c55.bb8994d.32d66345@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/10/2007 7:35:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, Hakirsch 
writes:

> >> Yes it would screw up that annual dOSU/UM thing, but I'm sure they'd get 
>> over
>> it.
>> 
> 
> Are you kidding ?  The number 1 rivalry in all of college sports, and 
> possibly of all sports (only Yankees/ Red Sox might be higher)--
> 
> Yes , there may be a re-alignment, but NEVER an elimination of that game 
> 
> Harry

From Sanford_Stein at rush.edu  Wed Jan 10 10:43:38 2007
From: Sanford_Stein at rush.edu (Sanford_Stein@rush.edu)
Date: Wed Jan 10 10:43:45 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
In-Reply-To: <45A4FCAE.3010207@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <OF6DE0A1C1.0EE9185D-ON8625725F.005A939E-8625725F.005BE2E6@rsh.net>

It is clear that the long layoffs hurt Big Ten teams in bowl games.

Here's how I would like to see the problem solved -- yes, I know it will 
never happen:

Have an 8-team playoff, with the championship game held on New Year's Day,
the semi-finals held 7-12 days earlier (depending on  when New Year's 
falls), and
the quarter-finals held 7 days before that.  The existing BCS bowls could 
rotate
who gets the finals and semi-finals -- the other three quarter-final games 
could also
be rotated, or 3 second-level bowls could be invited to join the mix.

The main counter-argument is that this will somhow sully the "bowl 
tradition".
That's a crock -- this year only 2 of the 5 BCS  bowl games were played on
New Years' Day, and the season went until January 8.  Is it any less of a 
break
in "tradition" to play the Sugar Bowl on December 23 rather than January 
3?
Other second-level bowl games could still be played on New Years Day, as
a warmup to the big one.  And the "student-athletes" (and the fans that 
follow
them) would be done with their seasons and back in class for the start of 
the
winter session.

I would miss the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day, but although we happened to
get a good Big 10/Pac 10 matchup this year, that tradition has been shot 
to hell
by the BCS nonsense anyway.

                                        SS


 
From nolan at romaine.tssi.com  Wed Jan 10 11:14:52 2007
From: nolan at romaine.tssi.com (Mike Nolan)
Date: Wed Jan 10 11:14:55 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated? (fwd)
Message-ID: <200701101714.l0AHEquH016631@romaine.tssi.com>

> If divisional playoff also means the end to the annual OSU/Mich game, it
> won't ever happen.  

Yeah, that's what they said for years about Oklahoma/Nebraska, but for
OU the more important annual game was Texas, even when it was a
non-conference game.

Unless Notre Dame changes its mind, I don't see the Big 10 actively seeking
a 12th team.  (Missouri has come up a few times, it fits into the academic
model of the Big 10 better than some other possible candidates.)

And if the stupid '2 team' rule for the BCS is dropped, as it SHOULD
have been to include Wisconsin, who needs a conference championship game?
--
Mike Nolan

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Jan 10 13:38:01 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Jan 10 13:41:01 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated? (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <200701101714.l0AHEquH016631@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <06f601c734ee$d7188e40$85492745@hilgraeve.com>

I grew up in Nebraska during the annual Nebraska/Oklahoma rivalries and I
can honestly say (living now in SE Michigan) that the Michigan OSU rivalry
is WAY more intense.  I think that there would have been that potential in
the Nebraska Oklahoma rivalry too, if both states annexed their half of
Kansas.

The fact that the schools are so close together and their states border one
another has fueled a rivalry that is very similar to the Cubs and White Sox
in Chicago.  You can't be a fan of both and if they aren't playing your
team, you are always rooting for whomever they are playing against.  You
hate everything that rival fans love about their team and they feel the same
way about your team.  It is a demi-religion.

Jeff



-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Nolan
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 12:15 PM
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated? (fwd)

> If divisional playoff also means the end to the annual OSU/Mich game, 
> it won't ever happen.

Yeah, that's what they said for years about Oklahoma/Nebraska, but for OU
the more important annual game was Texas, even when it was a non-conference
game.

Unless Notre Dame changes its mind, I don't see the Big 10 actively seeking
a 12th team.  (Missouri has come up a few times, it fits into the academic
model of the Big 10 better than some other possible candidates.)

And if the stupid '2 team' rule for the BCS is dropped, as it SHOULD have
been to include Wisconsin, who needs a conference championship game?
--
Mike Nolan

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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 10 19:40:29 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jan 10 19:40:33 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
In-Reply-To: <bf.76ff8d87.32d5da6f@aol.com>
Message-ID: <753990.37092.qm@web52903.mail.yahoo.com>

> > No one's brought this inconvenient question up
> yet, so I'll throw it out 
> > there.  Clearly, the Big Ten's credibility has

Well, as I said, I think it's like the situation in
basketball where they always said not having a league
tournament hurt our teams in March Madness (which was
hogwash - as Minny made the Final Four the year before
the tourney began ... but they had other issues:) ).

I think a Big Ten title game is even more unlikely
than an NCAA playoff ... but I think you will see a
push to do as the Pac 10 and Big Least have done and
move a game or two back a couple weeks to keep the
league in the spotlight and cut the layoff. Maybe
UM-OSU and MSU-PSU would be pushed back two weeks and
the other rivalry games back a week? I know that with
the 12-game rule, most Big Ten teams played 12
straight weeks this year with no byes, so there's room
to stretch the games out a bit.

> In my mind both---  The layoffs , no matter what the
> coaches said, had to 

I don't think the league was overrated -- I think the
layoffs hurt a bit, but that it's all part of the
parity of college football. Florida looked awesome
with that time to prepare and all, but as anyone who
saw a half dozen games of theirs this season would
know, they were far from a powerhouse. Remember, they
were #3 on the list of one-loss teams until SC slipped
up and everyone suddenly didn't want a rematch -- the
Gators almost lost at home to South Carolina and got
beat at Auburn without the Tigers even scoring on
offense in the second half, I believe (hey, Auburn
beat both the Gators AND LSU this year - AU for #1?).

It just has the feeling of an NCAA tourney ending
without the excitement of an NCAA tourney. Were the
Gators the best basketball team last year? Nope - they
weren't even a top 10 team (#3 seed) ... they just got
hot at the right time. But put UConn vs. Florida ten
times last year and the Gators lose the majority.

Same with football - OSU played their worst game of
the year and Florida played their best. Would the
Gators beat OSU in a best-of-ten ... or USC ... or
Michigan ... or Auburn ... or LSU? I'm not sure.

So we already have the "hot at the right time - not
really overall best of the season" ending ... now we
just need the wild excitement of the actual tournament
- only Boise State provided much excitement for the
BCS this year.

> but I also think the SEC is better than the BT,
> though no other conference 
> comes close to the 2 of us .-I think at the top of

Agreed and I've believed that for years - even with
the new super-leagues of the Big XII and ACC rising
and falling. The Big Ten is deeper than the SEC
year-in and year-out, but the upper half of the SEC is
superior.

Plus, remember that bowl games have never really been
set up favorably for the Big Ten, both in terms of
matchups (Pac 10 #3 vs. Big Ten #6, etc.) and in terms
of location (usually playing in an opponent's home
state).

We just had the unfortunate situation of laying two
big eggs in prime time -- Michigan we were kind of
expecting but OSU's was a shock. But you can't really
use that to say the Big Ten was overrated -- in fact,
our middle bowl teams performed beyond expectations.
Wisconsin and Penn State both beat SEC speed with Big
Ten power in SEC territory and Iowa was a bad call
away from a big upset of the Horns deep in the heart
of Texas. Even Minnesota wasn't favored to win - but
that collapse was hard to watch.

> not all of time (witness USC and Fla--) However I
> think the SEC bottom teams 
> would have generally cleaned the bottom of the BT
> this year and in aggregate 

That I don't really agree with - the Big Ten has much
more balance than the SEC. We've had everyone but
Minny and Indiana win the conference in the last two
decades, and Minny has been competitive for a few
years. In the SEC, they have a pretty clear pecking
order each year of the top half of each division (Fla,
UGa, Tenn in the east and Aub, LSU and Bama in the
west). The Hogs and Gamecocks are trying to crack that
order (Arkansas has had more success but still no BCS
berth), but teams like Vandy and Miss State have been
a ways away for a long time.

So ... bad year? Yes. Overrated? No. Still clearly in
the top two leagues nationally and next year should be
better. Michigan, Wisky and OSU will be top 10 teams
again even with OSU's losses, while PSU will threaten
to make a push with that solid D and the young O
maturing. MSU's coach could be trouble and awaken that
sleeping giant and Iowa will be solid while we should
be bowl-bound as well. And Illinois is recruiting like
mad (now can Zook coach?) and Indiana is getting
tougher every year. Minny's at a crossroads - it all
depends on who they get to replace Mason, who was a
solid coach but couldn't crack that upper tier. The
new coach will have a decent foundation left there,
though.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From thehaze at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 10 19:57:57 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Wed Jan 10 19:58:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
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At least as to the top two of the conference (and only the top two), I'd 
definitely add the Pac-10.  Had they played, SC would have defeated Ohio 
State and Cal would have easily beaten Michigan.  -- Jim

Hakirsch@aol.com wrote:
> In my mind both---  The layoffs , no matter what the coaches said, had to 
>   
> hurt.
> but I also think the SEC is better than the BT, though no other conference 
> comes close to the 2 of us .-I think at the top of the BT ,we are as good if not 
> better than the SEC--Our top 4 could stay with anyone-in the country-although 
> not all of time (witness USC and Fla--) However I think the SEC bottom teams 
> would have generally cleaned the bottom of the BT this year and in aggregate 
> is a better conference--
>
> Harry
>   

From thehaze at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 10 20:02:50 2007
From: thehaze at earthlink.net (Jim Bendat)
Date: Wed Jan 10 20:02:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
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You discuss next year, but not even a mention of NU?  We're going 
bowling next year.  No doubt.  --  Jim

SjT (Stephen J. Truog) wrote:
> So ... bad year? Yes. Overrated? No. Still clearly in
> the top two leagues nationally and next year should be
> better. Michigan, Wisky and OSU will be top 10 teams
> again even with OSU's losses, while PSU will threaten
> to make a push with that solid D and the young O
> maturing. MSU's coach could be trouble and awaken that
> sleeping giant and Iowa will be solid while we should
> be bowl-bound as well. And Illinois is recruiting like
> mad (now can Zook coach?) and Indiana is getting
> tougher every year. Minny's at a crossroads - it all
> depends on who they get to replace Mason, who was a
> solid coach but couldn't crack that upper tier. The
> new coach will have a decent foundation left there,
> though.
>
>   

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 10 20:10:53 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jan 10 20:10:57 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
In-Reply-To: <45A59ACA.8040609@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <932897.73201.qm@web52902.mail.yahoo.com>

I didn't use NU by name, but did say that we should be
bowl bound - I firmly believe we'll be back in the
postseason ... just a question of where.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

--- Jim Bendat <thehaze@earthlink.net> wrote:

> You discuss next year, but not even a mention of NU?
>  We're going 
> bowling next year.  No doubt.  --  Jim
> 
> > sleeping giant and Iowa will be solid while we
> should
> > be bowl-bound as well. And Illinois is recruiting


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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Jan 10 21:52:38 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Jan 10 21:55:39 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
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I'm afraid my buddy Jim has spent a little too much time in the California
sun.

I'm not sure that Carroll would have been as successful blitzing OSU as he
was Michigan.  SC won that game pretty much in the first half by abusing the
Michigan soph CB Morgan Trent.  OSU plays mostly zone and didn't give up
very many big plays all year.  Even given that lead in the first half, I
think that OSU with a healthy Ginn would have won the shoot out in the
second half.

As far a Cal beating Michigan, I don't think Tedford would have matched up
against Carr nearly as well as Carroll did.  Carr would have followed
Carroll's defensive game plan with fairly similar results.  It probably
would have been a close game determined by defensive turn overs and some big
plays.  It would have come down to whether Cal could have gained the same
advantage through the air that USC did while at the same time holding off
the Michigan ground game.  I don't think so.

Jeff
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?

At least as to the top two of the conference (and only the top two), I'd
definitely add the Pac-10.  Had they played, SC would have defeated Ohio
State and Cal would have easily beaten Michigan.  -- Jim

Hakirsch@aol.com wrote:
> In my mind both---  The layoffs , no matter what the coaches said, had 
> to
>   
> hurt.
> but I also think the SEC is better than the BT, though no other 
> conference comes close to the 2 of us .-I think at the top of the BT 
> ,we are as good if not better than the SEC--Our top 4 could stay with 
> anyone-in the country-although not all of time (witness USC and Fla--) 
> However I think the SEC bottom teams would have generally cleaned the 
> bottom of the BT this year and in aggregate is a better conference--
>
> Harry
>   

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From michael.vance at att.net  Wed Jan 10 23:04:27 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Wed Jan 10 23:04:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
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Mark Ament wrote:
> Another factor in their thinking is continued symmetry with the 
> Pac-10.  There is a desire for both conferences to remain without 
> championship games or adopt them at the same time.  Since neither is 
> in expansion mode, and likely won't be for at least four more years 
> due to recently signed TV contracts, don't expect any further serious 
> discussions about it before then.

All the more reason to start the negotiations now.  Football schedules 
are largely set for the next four years.  Remember, it was two years 
after the announcement that PSU was joining the Big Ten before they 
started playing a conference schedule in most sports and another year 
after that before football joined.  Negotiate now, announce in a year, 
and have that firmly in pocket when the next round of TV contracts are done.

But you bring up a good point.  Who would be likely candidates for 
Pac-10 expansion?  The only ones that I can think of that would even be 
in the ball park would be BYU and Utah.  I don't think Nevada is even 
close to being an academic fit.  Gonzaga and UNLV have the hoops cred, 
but not football.  Boise State is the latter and needs a longer 
pedigree.  Are there any other possibilities?

-Michael

From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 10 23:14:23 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Wed Jan 10 23:14:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
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> I'm afraid my buddy Jim has spent a little too much
> time in the California sun.
> 
Have to agree with you there. SC-OSU'd be a heck of a
game, but I think OSU would emerge on top. And no way
Cal tops Michigan ... Oregon State would have a better
shot, and neither had Dwayne Jarrett.

So now we move to that dreaded off-season ... besides
the usual "what ifs" and other fun topics, what do we
know about the incoming recruits and spring ball? It
will be real interesting to see what Fitz can do with
a full year of preparation for the season. I think the
coaching staff and team came together at the end of
last year and hopefully that will lead to a strong
off-season push into next year.

GO CATS!!!
-SjT

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 11 07:38:45 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan 11 07:37:44 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Is the Big Ten overrated?
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Why would the Pac 10 have to expand for the Big 10 to get 12 teams?



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><snip>
> 
> But you bring up a good point.  Who would be likely candidates for 
> Pac-10 expansion?  The only ones that I can think of that 
> would even be 
> in the ball park would be BYU and Utah.  I don't think Nevada is even 
> close to being an academic fit.  Gonzaga and UNLV have the 
> hoops cred, 
> but not football.  Boise State is the latter and needs a longer 
> pedigree.  Are there any other possibilities?
> 
> -Michael
> 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 11 07:51:22 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan 11 07:50:23 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/10
Message-ID: <006a01c73587$94d28470$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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Yes this one was for yesterday....

Two Day Midweek Edition

All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Index to online News about Northwestern
University Athletics

BASKETBALL
Men

     Wildcats Travel to Face Michigan State Wednesday
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/010907aaa.html 
     Coble Shines Over Break, Garners Extra Attention In Big Ten Play
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/10/Sports/Coble.Shines.Over.Break.
Garners.Extra.Attention.In.Big.Ten.Play.mens.Basketball-2616445.shtml 
     $ BKB Pregame Intel: Michigan State Spartans
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/608360.html 


     Next up for the Court Cats:
     @ Michigan State Spartans - 1/10 7 PM ESPN+
     Awww, the poor Spartans
     Olden boys vs. Oden boys
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/203048,CST-SPT-big09.article 
     + Men's Basketball Hosts Northwestern In Big Ten Home Opener
      http://msuspartans.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/010907aaa.html 
     $ AUDIO: Tom Izzo After 73-51 Indiana Win
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=175&p=2&c=607538 
     + Spartans look to forget slow Big Ten start
      http://www.statenews.com/article.phtml?pk=39141 
     + MSU notes: Izzo wants banged-up squad to get some practice time together
 
http://www.greenandwhite.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070109/GW/701090337/10
23 
     + MSU men's basketball fast break
 
http://www.greenandwhite.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070109/GW0201/70109034
0/1023/GW 
     + Izzo forced to stall on lineup
 
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070109/SPORTS0202/701090386/
1132 
     + No Time To Panic: MSU host Northwestern
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=608317 

     Big 10
     Skip Myslenski: Better watch out, Big Ten
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/cs-0701080
098jan08,1,4144902.column?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     Wisconsin proves it's big cheese
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/204231,CST-SPT-wis10.article 
     + Badger Nation's Wisconsin Preview
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=607729 
     + Ohio State - Wisconsin Postgame Analysis
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=608249 
     $ Worgull: ODEN-ary
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=608284 

     Middle ground harder for Illini to hold
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/illinois/cs-070109illini,
1,3878351.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 

Women

     Take on Minnesota Thursday night at home
     Listen 
 
javascript:window.open('http://all-access.cstv.com/cstv/player/player.html?code=
nw&sport=w-baskbl&category=live&media=13882','AudioBroadcast','toolbar=no,resize
able=no,scrollbars=yes,width=1000,height=700'); 
     void(''); 
     + Watch
 
javascript:window.open('http://all-access.cstv.com/cstv/player/player.html?code=
nw&sport=w-baskbl&category=live&media=13888','VideoBroadcast','toolbar=no,resize
able=no,scrollbars=yes,width=1000,height=700'); 
     void(''); 
     Gametracker
 
javascript:window.open('http://livestats.nusports.collegesports.com/livestats/da
ta/w-baskbl/505199/','GameTrackerwbaskbl','toolbar=no,resizeable=no,scrollbars=n
o,width=780,height=540'); 
     void(''); 

FOOTBALL

     Corey Wootton Named a 2006 Scripps FWAA Freshman All-American
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010907aaa.html 

     Big 10
     Its time for a Playoff
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/607989.html 

     Gator raid
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-070108bcs,1,7001961.st
ory?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Florida's speed freaks burn Buckeyes
      http://feeds.feedburner.com/%7Er/Foxsports/rss/CFB/%7E3/72823026/6350762 
     + Stewart Mandel: Overlooked for most of the year, Florida has last laugh
      http://rss.cnn.com/%7Er/rss/si_ncaaf/%7E3/72848116/index.html 
     + Tressel's reputation unravels a bit
      http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=2725026 
     + Ohio State's Smith follows rough path of Heisman winners in title game
 
http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/%7Er/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories/%7E3/728
21149/2007-01-09-bcs-ohiostate-smith_x.htm 
     + Midwest hardly bowled 'em over
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/204083,CST-SPT-neil10.article 
     + Title Game Tank Job and Basketball Banter. ...
 
http://thefinalscoredotnet.blogspot.com/2007/01/title-game-tank-job-and-basketba
ll.html 

RECRUITING

     Shooting guard commits to Illinois
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=267153 
     $ Who's Still on the Board: Offense
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/608324.html 

FENCING

     Three NU Fencers Qualify For Junior Olympics At Weekend Meet
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/09/Sports/Three.Nu.Fencers.Qualify
.For.Junior.Olympics.At.Weekend.Meet.fencing-2606321.shtml 

SWIMMING

     Rusty Start Drowns Cats
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/09/Sports/Rusty.Start.Drowns.Cats.
womens.Swimming-2606319.shtml 
     Swimmers Are Quietly Dominant This Season
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/10/Sports/Swimmers.Are.Quietly.Dom
inant.This.Season-2616438.shtml 

MISCELLANY

     Northwestern Names Hilton Garden Inn Athletes of the Week
      http://nusports.cstv.com/genrel/010807aaa.html 
     NU: It's In The Games?
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/10/Sports/Nu.Its.In.The.Games-2616
449.shtml 

Alumni

     PGA
     Luke Donald  Next up is Sony Open in Hawaii
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r006/ 
     Tom Johnson also at the Sony Open

     Jerry Orbach Makesa personal donation
      http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/487065p-410035c.html 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 11 09:08:29 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan 11 09:07:44 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/11
Message-ID: <006b01c73592$5adbf390$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>


On time Edition
All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Index to online News about Northwestern
University Athletics

BASKETBALL
Men

     Wildcats Drop Road Contest at Michigan State, 66-45
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/011007aaa.html 
     + Shades of Gray: NU beaten by Spartans
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-070110nug
amer,1,2872420.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Cats Can't Pass Boards
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/home/news/2007/01/11/Sports/Cats-Cant.Pass.Boar
ds.mens.Basketball-2626109.shtml 
     + Ryan, Coble Impress Against Spartans
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/home/news/2007/01/11/Sports/Ryan-Coble.Impress.
Against.Spartans.mens.Basketball-2626105.shtml 
     + Michigan St. rallies against Northwestern
 
http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2007/01/11/sports/college/northwestern/doc45a5d
b31597f0756076669.txt 
     + Cats' Coble learning valuable lessons
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston/sports/205956,ev-nucoble-011107-s1.article 

     Rakov: Deficit Was Expected, But Not Like This
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/home/news/2007/01/11/Sports/Deficit.Was.Expecte
d.But.Not.Like.This-2626104.shtml 

     Box score
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-070110nub
ox,1,1835321.storylink?coll=cs-college-headlines 

     From the Michigan State Spartans Side:
     Gray's Perfect Night Propels Spartans Past Wildcats, 66-45
      http://msuspartans.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/011007aaa.html 
     + Gray's big day
      http://www.statenews.com/article.phtml?pk=39192 
     + Spartans get much-needed win, 66-45 over Northwestern
 
http://www.mlive.com/spartans/stories/index.ssf?/base/sports-0/1168495804260830.
xml&coll=1 
     + On the rebound: MSU 66 - Northwestern 45
 
http://www.greenandwhite.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070111/GW0201/70111036
7/1023/GW 
     + MSU breaks through
 
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070111/SPORTS0202/701110325/
1132 
     + Gray leads MSU past Northwestern
 
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070110/UPDATE/701100454/1132
/SPORTS0202 
     + MSU 66, NORTHWESTERN 45: MSU on the board
 
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070111/SPORTS07/701110454/1055


     Next up for the Court Cats:
     Wisconsin Badgers - 1/13 - 1:30 PM WT ESPN+
     Badgers Move Up to Third
 
http://www.uwbadgers.com/sport_news/mbb/headlines/story.html?sportid=116&storyid
=9996 
     $ Ensemble Perfomance
      http://wisconsin.scout.com/2/608282.html 
     + Badgers find way to hold on
      http://www.madison.com/wsj/mad/sports/index.php?ntid=114290 
     + Oden silenced
      http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/badgersBBm/index.php?ntid=114291 
     + Matta impressed
      http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/index.php?ntid=114293 
     + Taylor-made
      http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=550833 
     + Something special in the air for UW
      http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=550902 
     + Badgers cement their elite status
 
http://www.postcrescent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070110/APC0201/70110070
2/1010 

     Big 10
     Out of the dumps, slump
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-070110illinigamer,1,38
59993.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + College Basketball: Illinois 74, Iowa 70
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/206830,111SPT8.article 

     Duke upset by Georgia Tech
 
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070111/SPORTS08/701110350/1055
/SPORTS07 

Women Play the Minnesota Gophers Tonight

     Wildcats Host Gophers for 7 p.m. Bout Thursday
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/011007aab.html 
     + Wildcats' New Lesson Plan For Minnesota
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/home/news/2007/01/11/Sports/Wildcats.New.Lesson
.Plan.For.Minnesota.womens.Basketball-2626116.shtml 
     Gophers Travel to Northwestern on Thursday
      http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=743959 
     Wildcats come up short in purple hair-raiser
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston/sports/206186,ev-nuwomenshoops-011107-s1.ar
ticle 

FOOTBALL

     Teddy looks at the Big 10 for next year....
     Teddy Greenstein: A weeping statement
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-070110018
6jan10,1,5012978.column?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print 

     Big 10
     Wojnowski: Get up to speed, Big Ten!
 
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070110/SPORTS08/701100320/11
32/SPORTS0202 
     + Troy Smith showed his stuff, but not with his numbers
 
http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/%7Er/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories/%7E3/731
80359/2007-01-09-lopresti-smith_x.htm 

     Ranking the 2006-2007 Bowls
      http://feeds.feedburner.com/%7Er/Foxsports/rss/CFB/%7E3/73724813/6355056 
     Creative playcalling dominates bowl season
      http://feeds.feedburner.com/%7Er/Foxsports/rss/CFB/%7E3/73054620/6350780 

RECRUITING

     HailtoPurple: a very impressive recruiting class.
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats7a01a.html 

SWIMMING

     Women
     Kassia Shishkoff Named Big Ten, Collegeswimming.com National Swimmer of the
Week
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-swim/spec-rel/010907aaa.html 

     Men
     Northwestern Set for Star-Studded Dallas Morning News Classic
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/011007aab.html 

MISCELLANY

     A look at the future of the BCS
 
http://www.mlive.com/sportsflash/college/index.ssf?/base/sports-21/1168175643185
410.xml&storylist=micollegefb 

Alumni

     Stewart Mandel: Wild end to wild season
      http://rss.cnn.com/%7Er/rss/si_ncaaf/%7E3/73551197/index.html 

     PGA
     Luke Donald Next up is Sony Open in Hawaii
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r006/ 
     Tom Johnson also at the Sony Open
     + Tournament Page
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r006/ 
     + Preview
      http://www.pgatour.com/2007/r/01/10/sony_apadvance.ap/index.html 
     Leaderboard from the PGA
      http://www.pgatour.com/leaderboards/current/r006/index.html 

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Thu Jan 11 12:25:47 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jan 11 12:26:09 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Candidates for Gophers' HC Opening
Message-ID: <58c.7d7b959.32d7db2b@aol.com>

There's an interesting story in today's Minneapolis Star-Tribune reviewing  
names being tossed around to succeed Glenn Mason.  The No. 1 candidate is  Lane 
Kiffin, USC's Offensive Coordinator and Recruiting Coordinator.  He's  only 
31, and thus has youth and the "recruiting" gig in common with  Fitz.   Will 
the Minny powers-that-be take the same chance that Mark  Murphy and President 
Bienen did with Fitz, whom, of course, they knew, and who  had impeccable links 
with NU glory?
 
Here's the link:  _http://www.startribune.com/512/story/928980.html_ 
(http://www.startribune.com/512/story/928980.html) 
 
Paul Levinson
 
 
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan 13 10:53:03 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan 13 10:53:11 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/13
Message-ID: <000201c73733$4b053240$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

www.PurpleWildcats.com
for Purple Reign & the NU Sports List

Bring on the Badgers Edition
All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Index to online News about Northwestern
University Athletics

BASKETBALL
Men

     Wildcats Welcome No. 3/4 Wisconsin to Welsh-Ryan Saturday
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/011207aad.html 
     + Tests get tougher for sliding Wildcats
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-070112nu,1,2416708.sto
ry?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Upset-minded Wildcats ready for No. 3 Badgers
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/209219,CST-SPT-nu13.article 
     + Deficit Was Expected, But Not Like This
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/11/Sports/Deficit.Was.Expected.But
.Not.Like.This-2626104.shtml 
     +  Sports XChange: Notes & Quotes
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/teamReport?categoryId=71639&type=NotesAndQuotes 
     + Strategy and Personnel
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/teamReport?categoryId=71639&type=StrategyAndPersonn
el 
     + Getting Inside
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/teamReport?categoryId=71639&type=InsideSlant 

     Next up for the Court Cats:
     Wisconsin Badgers - 1/13 - 1:30 PM WT ESPN+
     Q & A: Alando Tucker
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Q.A-Alando.Tucker-262876
8.shtml 
     $ Wide Awake
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=609224 
     + Badgers Hit The Road; Face Northwestern
 
http://www.uwbadgers.com/sport_news/mbb/headlines/story.html?sportid=116&storyid
=10030 
     + It's a whole new ballgame
      http://www.madison.com/tct/mad/sports//index.php?ntid=114791 
     + Butch ready for breakout game in Big Ten play
      http://www.madison.com/wsj/mad/sports/index.php?ntid=114771 
     + Mike Lucas: Badgers have been buried often in Evanston
      http://www.madison.com/tct/sports/index.php?ntid=114614&ntpid=0 
     + Road usually bumpy
      http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=552348 
     + Badgers Preview:
 
http://www.postcrescent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070113/APC0201/70113066
4/1010 

     Big 10
     Arnold latest Illini struck by injury hex
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-070112illini,1,5844294
.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 

Women

     Wildcats Travel to No. 6 Ohio State
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/011207aaa.html 

     Wildcats Come Up On Short End Of Buzzer-Beater, 65-63
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/011107aaa.html 
     + Turnovers Prove Critical In Tight Loss
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Turnovers.Prove.Critical
.In.Tight.Loss.womens.Basketball-2628767.shtml 

FOOTBALL

     Keenan, Roach Snubbed by NFL Combine
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/609223.html 
     $ NFL Combine Invites - Defense
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=609166 
     $ NFL Combine Invites - Offense
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=609116 

     Big 10
     Penn State LB Connor to return for senior year
      http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=2729556 

SWIMMING

     Women
     Wildcats Out-Thunder Herd, 150-87
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-swim/recaps/011207aab.html 

     Men
     Northwestern On Top After Day One at Dallas Morning News Classic
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/011207aaa.html 
     +  Barbic Finds A Home In Evanston
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Barbic.Finds.A.Home.In.E
vanston.mens.Swimming-2628764.shtml 

TENNIS

     Women
     'Cats Finish Day One of National Collegiate Tennis Classic
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-tennis/spec-rel/011207aaa.html 
     Men
     'Cats Win Season-Opening Dual Over Depaul, 6-1
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/011207aac.html 

WRESTLING

     Hall Of Fame Wrestler Pushes Team Closer To NCAA Titles
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Hall-Of.Fame.Wrestler.Pu
shes.Team.Closer.To.Ncaa.Titles-2628762.shtml 

MISCELLANY
Alumni

     Barry Cofield: Solid Season
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=609042 
     Luis Castillo:  Probable for Playoff game
      http://www.chargers.com/news/injury-reports/ 
     PGA Next up is Sony Open in Hawaii
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r006/ 
     Luke Donald  - On top after 2 days
     + Audio Inverview

     Tom Johnson  - Disqualified?
     Leaderboard from the PGA
      http://www.pgatour.com/leaderboards/current/r006/index.html 

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From christopher_bailey at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 14 09:38:52 2007
From: christopher_bailey at yahoo.com (Christopher Bailey)
Date: Sun Jan 14 09:38:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Tom Johnson at the PGA Hawaii Open
In-Reply-To: <200701141000.l0EA0Bs1011556@romaine.tssi.com>
Message-ID: <870149.82952.qm@web60321.mail.yahoo.com>

What is it with Hawaii and Northwestern athletes ... always
riddled with frustration.

Turns out Johnson was DQd for putting down a par 3 instead of a
bogey 4 on 11.

Not that he would have made the cut ...
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/players/Tom+Johnson/7306/scorecard/2007/7
http://sports.yahoo.com/golf/pga/news?slug=reu-pgadisqualifications&prov=reuters&type=lgns



--- nwu-sports-request@tssi.com wrote:

>      Tom Johnson  - Disqualified?
>      Leaderboard from the PGA
>      
> http://www.pgatour.com/leaderboards/current/r006/index.html 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan 15 12:54:49 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan 15 12:54:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] It's a basic rule of Football Defense
Message-ID: <000101c738d6$a2a55710$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

You don't catch an interception when its 4th down.

You bat the ball away so nobody can catch it and let the offense go out on the
field and win the game....

It's a shame the d-backs in San Diego don't remember that rule.

Luis would still be on track to play in the Super bowl... Now all our hopes are
on the Saints [Zach Strief] and the Colts [Matt Ulrich].

Yeah, Barry Gardner is technically on IR with the Patriots, and he is on their
Web Roster, but he's unlikely to suit up for the game. Zach was #2 on the
Saint's depth chart at LT, so is Ulrich at LG

rsl

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======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All ===========
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============================================

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Jan 15 13:35:56 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Jan 15 13:39:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] It's a basic rule of Football Defense
In-Reply-To: <000101c738d6$a2a55710$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <000101c738d6$a2a55710$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <029801c738dc$61f05750$85492745@hilgraeve.com>

It was a nice highlight of him during the game and a mention (though
somewhat derogatory) of his alma mater.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:55 PM
To: NU Sports List
Subject: [NU Sports] It's a basic rule of Football Defense

You don't catch an interception when its 4th down.

You bat the ball away so nobody can catch it and let the offense go out on
the field and win the game....

It's a shame the d-backs in San Diego don't remember that rule.

Luis would still be on track to play in the Super bowl... Now all our hopes
are on the Saints [Zach Strief] and the Colts [Matt Ulrich].

Yeah, Barry Gardner is technically on IR with the Patriots, and he is on
their Web Roster, but he's unlikely to suit up for the game. Zach was #2 on
the Saint's depth chart at LT, so is Ulrich at LG

rsl

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From michael.vance at att.net  Mon Jan 15 13:59:58 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Mon Jan 15 14:00:11 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] It's a basic rule of Football Defense
In-Reply-To: <029801c738dc$61f05750$85492745@hilgraeve.com>
References: <000101c738d6$a2a55710$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>
	<029801c738dc$61f05750$85492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <45ABDD3E.90605@att.net>

Which "him"?  Castillo?  I heard his name a couple of times, although I 
must have missed the NU reference.  I was in and out of the room during 
the game.

Having never had my "own" NFL team to root for (having grown up in 
Detroit and then refused to adopt any of the Chicago teams because of 
their rivalries with their Detroit counterparts), I became a Colts fan 
very quickly when I moved down here to Indy.  Between a Colts fan's 
dislike of the Patriots and having had LaDanian Tomlinson in my fantasy 
league all year, I kept forgetting that I was supposed to be rooting 
*for* the Patriots in order to bring the AFC Championship game back to 
Indianapolis.

Back on an NU note, Ulrich has gotten some quality PT with the Colts 
this year and his name mentioned favorably during a couple of 
broadcasts, including, if I remember correctly, the Monday Night game 
(national broadcast) against the Bengals a few weeks ago.

And back to Roy's original point: I've always wondered that myself.  Is 
it that d-backs are so conditioned to go for the interception?  You'd 
think that would be, as you state, one of the most basic conditional 
situations for the defensive secondary.  It's one thing if a linebacker 
forgets that, but for a d-back, especially on a long throw, it should be 
automatic to be cognizant of the down.

-Michael

Jeff Beamsley wrote:
> It was a nice highlight of him during the game and a mention (though
> somewhat derogatory) of his alma mater.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 1:55 PM
> To: NU Sports List
> Subject: [NU Sports] It's a basic rule of Football Defense
>
> You don't catch an interception when its 4th down.
>
> You bat the ball away so nobody can catch it and let the offense go out on
> the field and win the game....
>
> It's a shame the d-backs in San Diego don't remember that rule.
>
> Luis would still be on track to play in the Super bowl... Now all our hopes
> are on the Saints [Zach Strief] and the Colts [Matt Ulrich].
>
> Yeah, Barry Gardner is technically on IR with the Patriots, and he is on
> their Web Roster, but he's unlikely to suit up for the game. Zach was #2 on
> the Saint's depth chart at LT, so is Ulrich at LG
>
> rsl
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan 15 14:48:09 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan 15 14:48:08 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/15
Message-ID: <000201c738e6$785ddf80$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

www.PurpleWildcats.com
for Purple Reign & the NU Sports List

MLK Day Edition
All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Original Index to online News about
Northwestern University Athletics

BASKETBALL
Men

     From the Daily
     Cats Nipped By Badgers
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Cats-Nipped.By.Badgers.m
ens.Basketball-2632558.shtml
     + Ryan Has Career Day As Replacement
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Ryan-Has.Career.Day.As.R
eplacement.mens.Basketball-2632559.shtml

     Dorsey:  No Moral Victory In Loss To No. 3 Wisconsin
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/No.Moral.Victory.In.Loss
.To.No.3.Wisconsin-2632556.shtml

     don't like the "princeton offense?" Air Force seems to...[thanks Willie]
     Old College Try Is Working for Bzdelik at Air Force
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/13/AR2007011300985.
html

     Next up for the Court Cats:
     @ Ohio State Buckeyes  - 1/17 7:00 PM WT
     Big Ten Teleconference Quotes
      http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/011507aaa.html

     Big 10
     Illini can't finish the job
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/illinois/cs-070114illinig
amer,1,5852579.story?coll=cs-college-headlines
     + First half full,  second half  empty for Illini
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=269645

     Purdue trips Michigan
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/bigten.asp?id=269335

Women

     No. 6 Ohio State Too Much for Wildcats
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/011407aab.html 
     + Buckeyes Blow Out Wildcats
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Buckeyes.Blow.Out.Wildca
ts.womens.Basketball-2632557.shtml 
     + Allen, Trebilcock roll in win over Wildcats
      http://www.buckeyextra.com/?story=dispatch/2007/01/15/20070115-E1-02.html 

FOOTBALL

     Big 10
     #2 to ????
     Gonzo to OSU: Buck off Buckeyes
 
http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Gonzo.To.Osu.Buck.Off.Buckeyes-
2628844.shtml 
     + Jumping the Buckeye ship
 
http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Jumping.The.Buckeye.Ship-262884
8.shtml 

RECRUITING

     Some good ideas about off season practice/games
     Baranek: Time to fight some AAU, club influences
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/baranek/208336,121BAR1.article 

FENCING

     Wildcats Host Illinois JO Qualifier at Patten Gymnasium
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-fenc/recaps/010907aaa.html 

SWIMMING

     Men
     No. 8 Northwestern Wins Dallas Morning News Classic
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/011307aac.html 

MISCELLANY
Alumni

     Zach Strief  - Plays the Bears next week.

     Luis Castillo  Chargers fall short against Pats
      http://www.chargers.com/news/headlines/pearce-game-story.htm 
     + Castillo tells it straight
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=609785 

     Kevin Bentley - Seahawks lose to daBares
      http://www.seahawks.com/News/News.aspx?id=45984 

     PGA  Sony Open in Hawaii
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r006/ 
     Luke Donald  -  Tied for 2nd
     Goydos edges Donald into second
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6261947.stm 
     + Eleven Alive
      http://www.pgatour.com/2007/r/01/14/sony011407.ap/index.html 
     + PGA Site Audio: Donald
 
javascript:cnnVideo('play','/video/audio/interviews/2007/01/15/interview_07sony_
rd4_ldonald.xm'); 
     + Fairytale of Fujikawa eclipses Wie
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2F1CKUTOMGGR3QFIQMFSFGGAV
CBQ0IV0?xml=/sport/2007/01/15/sgsony15.xml 

     Earlier in the weekend
     + Donald opens in style as Wie struggles
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2F1CKUTOMGGR3QFIQMFSFGGAV
CBQ0IV0?xml=/sport/2007/01/12/sgsinh12.xml 
     + Donald remains on top in Hawaii
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6258263.stm 
     + Donald remains on top in Hawaii
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6258263.stm 

     Tom Johnson  -
     Leaderboard from the PGA
      http://www.pgatour.com/leaderboards/current/r006/index.html 

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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan 15 15:39:00 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Jan 15 15:39:15 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Luis Castillo
References: <000101c738d6$a2a55710$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP><029801c738dc$61f05750$85492745@hilgraeve.com>
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The announcer claimed he had asked Luis how many bowl games he had played in 
at Northwestern.  Luis, of course, could only give the Motor City Bowl. 
That was about it for old NU. 

From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Jan 15 15:43:26 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 15 15:43:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Luis Castillo
Message-ID: <455.9e56699.32dd4f7e@aol.com>

Yeah, but any time we get a gratuitous NU mention, especially about a  player 
such as LC, who is playing at such a high level, I love it!
 
Paul Levinson
From Hakirsch at aol.com  Mon Jan 15 17:30:26 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 15 17:30:44 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] It's a basic rule of Football Defense
Message-ID: <c2a.b0bff6a.32dd6892@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/15/2007 10:56:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
rstetson@capps-assoc.com writes:

> You don't catch an interception when its 4th down.
> 
> You bat the ball away so nobody can catch it and let the offense go out on 
> the
> field and win the game....
> 
> It's a shame the d-backs in San Diego don't remember that rule.
> 

Being a Pats fan , I loved it, but I am surprised that the stupid move of 
intercepting the 4th down pass was not mentioned on any of the  post game sports 
shows- (or the announcers during the game) -in fact I saw a few other games 
this year (probably college, since I watch only a few pro games)--which the same 
thing happened, and no mention was made that the vast majority of the time , 
it is a dumb move for a DB--unless of course he thinks he can run it back past 
the line of scimmage,  Has any one else noticed the no mention commentary ?

I also never hear an announcer comment after a 3rd down  , 40 yard  pass or 
so interception, say something like , "well it is just a good as a punt" 

Harry
From johnadeg at comcast.net  Mon Jan 15 19:41:26 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Jan 15 19:41:33 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/15
Message-ID: <011620070141.7963.45AC2D46000A819100001F1B2216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

I don't see any appreciable improvement in NU basketball over the time Carmody has been at NU.  The players he recruits for the most part are too frail to compete in the Big Ten.  Jitim Young was about the last player that I can think of that would take a charge and compete hard for rebounds.  I can't imagine that Carmody will be around much longer without a significant improvement in results.
John DeGroat
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> 
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> BASKETBALL
> Men
> 
>      From the Daily
>      Cats Nipped By Badgers
>  
> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Cats-Nipped.By.Badgers.m
> ens.Basketball-2632558.shtml
>      + Ryan Has Career Day As Replacement
>  
> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Ryan-Has.Career.Day.As.R
> eplacement.mens.Basketball-2632559.shtml
> 
>      Dorsey:  No Moral Victory In Loss To No. 3 Wisconsin
>  
> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/No.Moral.Victory.In.Loss
> .To.No.3.Wisconsin-2632556.shtml
> 
>      don't like the "princeton offense?" Air Force seems to...[thanks Willie]
>      Old College Try Is Working for Bzdelik at Air Force
>  
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/13/AR2007011300985.
> html
> 
>      Next up for the Court Cats:
>      @ Ohio State Buckeyes  - 1/17 7:00 PM WT
>      Big Ten Teleconference Quotes
>       http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/011507aaa.html
> 
>      Big 10
>      Illini can't finish the job
>  
> http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/illinois/cs-070114illinig
> amer,1,5852579.story?coll=cs-college-headlines
>      + First half full,  second half  empty for Illini
>       http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=269645
> 
>      Purdue trips Michigan
>       http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/bigten.asp?id=269335
> 
> Women
> 
>      No. 6 Ohio State Too Much for Wildcats
>       http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/011407aab.html 
>      + Buckeyes Blow Out Wildcats
>  
> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Buckeyes.Blow.Out.Wildca
> ts.womens.Basketball-2632557.shtml 
>      + Allen, Trebilcock roll in win over Wildcats
>       http://www.buckeyextra.com/?story=dispatch/2007/01/15/20070115-E1-02.html 
> 
> FOOTBALL
> 
>      Big 10
>      #2 to ????
>      Gonzo to OSU: Buck off Buckeyes
>  
> http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Gonzo.To.Osu.Buck.Off.Buckeyes-
> 2628844.shtml 
>      + Jumping the Buckeye ship
>  
> http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Jumping.The.Buckeye.Ship-262884
> 8.shtml 
> 
> RECRUITING
> 
>      Some good ideas about off season practice/games
>      Baranek: Time to fight some AAU, club influences
>       http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/baranek/208336,121BAR1.article 
> 
> FENCING
> 
>      Wildcats Host Illinois JO Qualifier at Patten Gymnasium
>       http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-fenc/recaps/010907aaa.html 
> 
> SWIMMING
> 
>      Men
>      No. 8 Northwestern Wins Dallas Morning News Classic
>       http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/011307aac.html 
> 
> MISCELLANY
> Alumni
> 
>      Zach Strief  - Plays the Bears next week.
> 
>      Luis Castillo  Chargers fall short against Pats
>       http://www.chargers.com/news/headlines/pearce-game-story.htm 
>      + Castillo tells it straight
>       http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=609785 
> 
>      Kevin Bentley - Seahawks lose to daBares
>       http://www.seahawks.com/News/News.aspx?id=45984 
> 
>      PGA  Sony Open in Hawaii
>       http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r006/ 
>      Luke Donald  -  Tied for 2nd
>      Goydos edges Donald into second
>       http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6261947.stm 
>      + Eleven Alive
>       http://www.pgatour.com/2007/r/01/14/sony011407.ap/index.html 
>      + PGA Site Audio: Donald
>  
> javascript:cnnVideo('play','/video/audio/interviews/2007/01/15/interview_07sony_
> rd4_ldonald.xm'); 
>      + Fairytale of Fujikawa eclipses Wie
>  
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2F1CKUTOMGGR3QFIQMFSFGGAV
> CBQ0IV0?xml=/sport/2007/01/15/sgsony15.xml 
> 
>      Earlier in the weekend
>      + Donald opens in style as Wie struggles
>  
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2F1CKUTOMGGR3QFIQMFSFGGAV
> CBQ0IV0?xml=/sport/2007/01/12/sgsinh12.xml 
>      + Donald remains on top in Hawaii
>       http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6258263.stm 
>      + Donald remains on top in Hawaii
>       http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6258263.stm 
> 
>      Tom Johnson  -
>      Leaderboard from the PGA
>       http://www.pgatour.com/leaderboards/current/r006/index.html 
> 
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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Mon Jan 15 23:24:15 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Mon Jan 15 23:24:20 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/15
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John,
If you didn't see any improvement on Saturday, then you couldn't have 
been watching the same game I saw.  We hung to the end with what I think 
is the number one team in the country with our best player on the bench 
for the whole game.  Completely outmanned, the Cats played great defense 
that gave the Badgers fits, and kept them totally off balance.  While 
unable to ultimately pull out the win, the Cats are a very young team 
and those are the types of games that young teams in particular have a 
tough time winning.  Not to mention a terrible no call on the rebound 
late that cost us the ball, gave Wisconsin a put back and essentially 
the game.  Far and away, their finest performance of the year and one 
that gave me enough reason to hope that this season still has some 
promise left.

Back to football for a minute.  Flipping channels late yesterday, I ran 
into the Hula Bowl for a couple of plays and caught a glimpse of a 
purple NU helmet but couldn't tell who it was or even which team he was 
on (not that it would have made any difference).  Anybody know what NU 
players have made all-star games?

Mark
SportsBiz <http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com>
Join the conversation about the business of sports
johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> I don't see any appreciable improvement in NU basketball over the time Carmody has been at NU.  The players he recruits for the most part are too frail to compete in the Big Ten.  Jitim Young was about the last player that I can think of that would take a charge and compete hard for rebounds.  I can't imagine that Carmody will be around much longer without a significant improvement in results.
> John DeGroat
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
>   
>> www.PurpleWildcats.com
>> for Purple Reign & the NU Sports List
>>
>> MLK Day Edition
>> All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Original Index to online News about
>> Northwestern University Athletics
>>
>> BASKETBALL
>> Men
>>
>>      From the Daily
>>      Cats Nipped By Badgers
>>  
>> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Cats-Nipped.By.Badgers.m
>> ens.Basketball-2632558.shtml
>>      + Ryan Has Career Day As Replacement
>>  
>> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Ryan-Has.Career.Day.As.R
>> eplacement.mens.Basketball-2632559.shtml
>>
>>      Dorsey:  No Moral Victory In Loss To No. 3 Wisconsin
>>  
>> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/No.Moral.Victory.In.Loss
>> .To.No.3.Wisconsin-2632556.shtml
>>
>>      don't like the "princeton offense?" Air Force seems to...[thanks Willie]
>>      Old College Try Is Working for Bzdelik at Air Force
>>  
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/13/AR2007011300985.
>> html
>>
>>      Next up for the Court Cats:
>>      @ Ohio State Buckeyes  - 1/17 7:00 PM WT
>>      Big Ten Teleconference Quotes
>>       http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/011507aaa.html
>>
>>      Big 10
>>      Illini can't finish the job
>>  
>> http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/illinois/cs-070114illinig
>> amer,1,5852579.story?coll=cs-college-headlines
>>      + First half full,  second half  empty for Illini
>>       http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=269645
>>
>>      Purdue trips Michigan
>>       http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/bigten.asp?id=269335
>>
>> Women
>>
>>      No. 6 Ohio State Too Much for Wildcats
>>       http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/011407aab.html 
>>      + Buckeyes Blow Out Wildcats
>>  
>> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Buckeyes.Blow.Out.Wildca
>> ts.womens.Basketball-2632557.shtml 
>>      + Allen, Trebilcock roll in win over Wildcats
>>       http://www.buckeyextra.com/?story=dispatch/2007/01/15/20070115-E1-02.html 
>>
>> FOOTBALL
>>
>>      Big 10
>>      #2 to ????
>>      Gonzo to OSU: Buck off Buckeyes
>>  
>> http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Gonzo.To.Osu.Buck.Off.Buckeyes-
>> 2628844.shtml 
>>      + Jumping the Buckeye ship
>>  
>> http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Jumping.The.Buckeye.Ship-262884
>> 8.shtml 
>>
>> RECRUITING
>>
>>      Some good ideas about off season practice/games
>>      Baranek: Time to fight some AAU, club influences
>>       http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/baranek/208336,121BAR1.article 
>>
>> FENCING
>>
>>      Wildcats Host Illinois JO Qualifier at Patten Gymnasium
>>       http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-fenc/recaps/010907aaa.html 
>>
>> SWIMMING
>>
>>      Men
>>      No. 8 Northwestern Wins Dallas Morning News Classic
>>       http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/011307aac.html 
>>
>> MISCELLANY
>> Alumni
>>
>>      Zach Strief  - Plays the Bears next week.
>>
>>      Luis Castillo  Chargers fall short against Pats
>>       http://www.chargers.com/news/headlines/pearce-game-story.htm 
>>      + Castillo tells it straight
>>       http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=609785 
>>
>>      Kevin Bentley - Seahawks lose to daBares
>>       http://www.seahawks.com/News/News.aspx?id=45984 
>>
>>      PGA  Sony Open in Hawaii
>>       http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r006/ 
>>      Luke Donald  -  Tied for 2nd
>>      Goydos edges Donald into second
>>       http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6261947.stm 
>>      + Eleven Alive
>>       http://www.pgatour.com/2007/r/01/14/sony011407.ap/index.html 
>>      + PGA Site Audio: Donald
>>  
>> javascript:cnnVideo('play','/video/audio/interviews/2007/01/15/interview_07sony_
>> rd4_ldonald.xm'); 
>>      + Fairytale of Fujikawa eclipses Wie
>>  
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2F1CKUTOMGGR3QFIQMFSFGGAV
>> CBQ0IV0?xml=/sport/2007/01/15/sgsony15.xml 
>>
>>      Earlier in the weekend
>>      + Donald opens in style as Wie struggles
>>  
>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2F1CKUTOMGGR3QFIQMFSFGGAV
>> CBQ0IV0?xml=/sport/2007/01/12/sgsinh12.xml 
>>      + Donald remains on top in Hawaii
>>       http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6258263.stm 
>>      + Donald remains on top in Hawaii
>>       http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6258263.stm 
>>
>>      Tom Johnson  -
>>      Leaderboard from the PGA
>>       http://www.pgatour.com/leaderboards/current/r006/index.html 
>>
>> +=+=+= Go Cats =+= Beat 'em All =+=+=+ 
>> The "NU Sports News Digest" is a Daily Link
>>  Service originally started by Frank Loomis
>>  and sent to members of the NU Sports List
>>  and other subscribers by Roy Lamberton, NU
>>  Speech 74, publisher of Purple Reign, the
>>  Northwestern University web site of the
>>  Scout.com Network. 
>>
>> The Digest is in no way connected with Northwestern University 
>> and any opinions expressed herein are those of the publisher 
>> and are not those of Northwestern University, its staff, or 
>>
>> administration. 
>> All copyrights are those of the holders. 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 16 06:22:03 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan 16 06:22:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/15
In-Reply-To: <45AC617F.7000208@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <002001c73968$edfc37a0$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

As reported in the NU sports news Digest last week:....
 
Ryan Keenan  got the free trip to Hawai'i
 
I agree with your assessment of the basketball team, I got to watch the game
Saturday, and was impressed along with the WGN guys - here's our story on the
game....
 
 <http://northwestern.scout.com/2/609417.html> Tucker, Badgers Pull it Out NU 50
UW 56
 
Go Cats
rsl

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     If you can keep it" - Benjamin Franklin
============================================ 
Back to football for a minute.  Flipping channels late yesterday, I ran into the
Hula Bowl for a couple of plays and caught a glimpse of a purple NU helmet but
couldn't tell who it was or even which team he was on (not that it would have
made any difference).  Anybody know what NU players have made all-star games?



From marks83588 at aol.com  Tue Jan 16 07:02:38 2007
From: marks83588 at aol.com (marks83588@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 16 07:02:50 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/15
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 Ryan Keenan was playing right guard, #50 in your program. Looked OK but difficult to play OL in Allstar games.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
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To: johnadeg@comcast.net
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 12:24 AM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/15


John, 
If you didn't see any improvement on Saturday, then you couldn't have been watching the same game I saw. We hung to the end with what I think is the number one team in the country with our best player on the bench for the whole game. Completely outmanned, the Cats played great defense that gave the Badgers fits, and kept them totally off balance. While unable to ultimately pull out the win, the Cats are a very young team and those are the types of games that young teams in particular have a tough time winning. Not to mention a terrible no call on the rebound late that cost us the ball, gave Wisconsin a put back and essentially the game. Far and away, their finest performance of the year and one that gave me enough reason to hope that this season still has some promise left. 
 
Back to football for a minute. Flipping channels late yesterday, I ran into the Hula Bowl for a couple of plays and caught a glimpse of a purple NU helmet but couldn't tell who it was or even which team he was on (not that it would have made any difference). Anybody know what NU players have made all-star games? 
 
Mark 
SportsBiz <http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com> 
Join the conversation about the business of sports 
johnadeg@comcast.net wrote: 
> I don't see any appreciable improvement in NU basketball over the time Carmody has been at NU. The players he recruits for the most part are too frail to compete in the Big Ten. Jitim Young was about the last player that I can think of that would take a charge and compete hard for rebounds. I can't imagine that Carmody will be around much longer without a significant improvement in results. 
> John DeGroat 
> -------------- Original message ---------------------- 
> From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> 
> >> www.PurpleWildcats.com 
>> for Purple Reign & the NU Sports List 
>> 
>> MLK Day Edition 
>> All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Original Index to online News about 
>> Northwestern University Athletics 
>> 
>> BASKETBALL 
>> Men 
>> 
>> From the Daily 
>> Cats Nipped By Badgers 
>> >> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Cats-Nipped.By.Badgers.m 
>> ens.Basketball-2632558.shtml 
>> + Ryan Has Career Day As Replacement 
>> >> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Ryan-Has.Career.Day.As.R 
>> eplacement.mens.Basketball-2632559.shtml 
>> 
>> Dorsey: No Moral Victory In Loss To No. 3 Wisconsin 
>> >> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/No.Moral.Victory.In.Loss 
>> .To.No.3.Wisconsin-2632556.shtml 
>> 
>> don't like the "princeton offense?" Air Force seems to...[thanks Willie] 
>> Old College Try Is Working for Bzdelik at Air Force 
>> >> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/13/AR2007011300985. 
>> html 
>> 
>> Next up for the Court Cats: 
>> @ Ohio State Buckeyes - 1/17 7:00 PM WT 
>> Big Ten Teleconference Quotes 
>> http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/011507aaa.html 
>> 
>> Big 10 
>> Illini can't finish the job 
>> >> http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/illinois/cs-070114illinig 
>> amer,1,5852579.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
>> + First half full, second half empty for Illini 
>> http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=269645 
>> 
>> Purdue trips Michigan 
>> http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/bigten.asp?id=269335 
>> 
>> Women 
>> 
>> No. 6 Ohio State Too Much for Wildcats 
>> http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/011407aab.html >> + Buckeyes Blow Out Wildcats 
>> >> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Buckeyes.Blow.Out.Wildca 
>> ts.womens.Basketball-2632557.shtml >> + Allen, Trebilcock roll in win over Wildcats 
>> http://www.buckeyextra.com/?story=dispatch/2007/01/15/20070115-E1-02.html >> 
>> FOOTBALL 
>> 
>> Big 10 
>> #2 to ???? 
>> Gonzo to OSU: Buck off Buckeyes 
>> >> http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Gonzo.To.Osu.Buck.Off.Buckeyes- 
>> 2628844.shtml >> + Jumping the Buckeye ship 
>> >> http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Jumping.The.Buckeye.Ship-262884 
>> 8.shtml >> 
>> RECRUITING 
>> 
>> Some good ideas about off season practice/games 
>> Baranek: Time to fight some AAU, club influences 
>> http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/baranek/208336,121BAR1.article >> 
>> FENCING 
>> 
>> Wildcats Host Illinois JO Qualifier at Patten Gymnasium 
>> http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-fenc/recaps/010907aaa.html >> 
>> SWIMMING 
>> 
>> Men 
>> No. 8 Northwestern Wins Dallas Morning News Classic 
>> http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/011307aac.html >> 
>> MISCELLANY 
>> Alumni 
>> 
>> Zach Strief - Plays the Bears next week. 
>> 
>> Luis Castillo Chargers fall short against Pats 
>> http://www.chargers.com/news/headlines/pearce-game-story.htm >> + Castillo tells it straight 
>> http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=609785 >> 
>> Kevin Bentley - Seahawks lose to daBares 
>> http://www.seahawks.com/News/News.aspx?id=45984 >> 
>> PGA Sony Open in Hawaii 
>> http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r006/ >> Luke Donald - Tied for 2nd 
>> Goydos edges Donald into second 
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6261947.stm >> + Eleven Alive 
>> http://www.pgatour.com/2007/r/01/14/sony011407.ap/index.html >> + PGA Site Audio: Donald 
>> >> javascript:cnnVideo('play','/video/audio/interviews/2007/01/15/interview_07sony_ 
>> rd4_ldonald.xm'); >> + Fairytale of Fujikawa eclipses Wie 
>> >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2F1CKUTOMGGR3QFIQMFSFGGAV 
>> CBQ0IV0?xml=/sport/2007/01/15/sgsony15.xml >> 
>> Earlier in the weekend 
>> + Donald opens in style as Wie struggles 
>> >> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2F1CKUTOMGGR3QFIQMFSFGGAV 
>> CBQ0IV0?xml=/sport/2007/01/12/sgsinh12.xml >> + Donald remains on top in Hawaii 
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6258263.stm >> + Donald remains on top in Hawaii 
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6258263.stm >> 
>> Tom Johnson - 
>> Leaderboard from the PGA 
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From bondscoop at megapathdsl.net  Tue Jan 16 07:20:54 2007
From: bondscoop at megapathdsl.net (Michael Jackson)
Date: Tue Jan 16 07:20:52 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/15
In-Reply-To: <8C90785BC10107A-1158-C17A@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <012801c73971$2719abf0$0a01a8c0@Mike>



I agree with Mark about the basketball game last week.  Not only was it
a well-played game but it was also a fun game to attend.  The stands
were full with fans for both teams.  The crowd was really into the game.
At one point in the second half, Scott got entangled with a player from
Wisconsin for a long time after play had gone to the other end.  Neither
player was charged with a foul but both the Wisconsin fans and the NU
fans were outraged.  The Wisky fans started booing every time Scott got
the ball.  The NU fans started booing every time the UW player got his
hands on the ball.  It was good-natured and fun.  That type of game is
the reason why we have tickets.  Sure, NU lost but the game was exciting
all the way to the end.  NU had an opportunity to win it at the end
against one of the best teams in the nation.  What more could you want
other than a win.  

No one complained about the Princeton offense either.  The style of play
had little to do with the excitement of the game.  NU played well on
both sides of the court.  It bodes well for the rest of the year and
especially for next year.  The team is showing great improvement as the
year goes on.  It may not show in the won-lost column but it does show
on the court.

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Tue Jan 16 08:20:21 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Tue Jan 16 08:20:30 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/15
Message-ID: <011620071420.10809.45ACDF25000B4FDA00002A392216525806090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

The point is that close loses don't count.  NU  hasn't won a Big Ten game this year which I find discouraging at this stage of the season.  NU still can't get rebounds and the free throw percentage is awful.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Mark Ament <prplehaze@insightbb.com>
> John,
> If you didn't see any improvement on Saturday, then you couldn't have 
> been watching the same game I saw.  We hung to the end with what I think 
> is the number one team in the country with our best player on the bench 
> for the whole game.  Completely outmanned, the Cats played great defense 
> that gave the Badgers fits, and kept them totally off balance.  While 
> unable to ultimately pull out the win, the Cats are a very young team 
> and those are the types of games that young teams in particular have a 
> tough time winning.  Not to mention a terrible no call on the rebound 
> late that cost us the ball, gave Wisconsin a put back and essentially 
> the game.  Far and away, their finest performance of the year and one 
> that gave me enough reason to hope that this season still has some 
> promise left.
> 
> Back to football for a minute.  Flipping channels late yesterday, I ran 
> into the Hula Bowl for a couple of plays and caught a glimpse of a 
> purple NU helmet but couldn't tell who it was or even which team he was 
> on (not that it would have made any difference).  Anybody know what NU 
> players have made all-star games?
> 
> Mark
> SportsBiz <http://thesportsbizblog.blogspot.com>
> Join the conversation about the business of sports
> johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> > I don't see any appreciable improvement in NU basketball over the time Carmody 
> has been at NU.  The players he recruits for the most part are too frail to 
> compete in the Big Ten.  Jitim Young was about the last player that I can think 
> of that would take a charge and compete hard for rebounds.  I can't imagine that 
> Carmody will be around much longer without a significant improvement in results.
> > John DeGroat
> >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> >   
> >> www.PurpleWildcats.com
> >> for Purple Reign & the NU Sports List
> >>
> >> MLK Day Edition
> >> All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Original Index to online News about
> >> Northwestern University Athletics
> >>
> >> BASKETBALL
> >> Men
> >>
> >>      From the Daily
> >>      Cats Nipped By Badgers
> >>  
> >> 
> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Cats-Nipped.By.Badgers.m
> >> ens.Basketball-2632558.shtml
> >>      + Ryan Has Career Day As Replacement
> >>  
> >> 
> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Ryan-Has.Career.Day.As.R
> >> eplacement.mens.Basketball-2632559.shtml
> >>
> >>      Dorsey:  No Moral Victory In Loss To No. 3 Wisconsin
> >>  
> >> 
> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/No.Moral.Victory.In.Loss
> >> .To.No.3.Wisconsin-2632556.shtml
> >>
> >>      don't like the "princeton offense?" Air Force seems to...[thanks Willie]
> >>      Old College Try Is Working for Bzdelik at Air Force
> >>  
> >> 
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/13/AR2007011300985.
> >> html
> >>
> >>      Next up for the Court Cats:
> >>      @ Ohio State Buckeyes  - 1/17 7:00 PM WT
> >>      Big Ten Teleconference Quotes
> >>       
> http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/011507aaa.html
> >>
> >>      Big 10
> >>      Illini can't finish the job
> >>  
> >> 
> http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/illinois/cs-070114illinig
> >> amer,1,5852579.story?coll=cs-college-headlines
> >>      + First half full,  second half  empty for Illini
> >>       http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=269645
> >>
> >>      Purdue trips Michigan
> >>       http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/bigten.asp?id=269335
> >>
> >> Women
> >>
> >>      No. 6 Ohio State Too Much for Wildcats
> >>       http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/011407aab.html 
> >>      + Buckeyes Blow Out Wildcats
> >>  
> >> 
> http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/15/Sports/Buckeyes.Blow.Out.Wildca
> >> ts.womens.Basketball-2632557.shtml 
> >>      + Allen, Trebilcock roll in win over Wildcats
> >>       
> http://www.buckeyextra.com/?story=dispatch/2007/01/15/20070115-E1-02.html 
> >>
> >> FOOTBALL
> >>
> >>      Big 10
> >>      #2 to ????
> >>      Gonzo to OSU: Buck off Buckeyes
> >>  
> >> 
> http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Gonzo.To.Osu.Buck.Off.Buckeyes-
> >> 2628844.shtml 
> >>      + Jumping the Buckeye ship
> >>  
> >> 
> http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/12/Sports/Jumping.The.Buckeye.Ship-262884
> >> 8.shtml 
> >>
> >> RECRUITING
> >>
> >>      Some good ideas about off season practice/games
> >>      Baranek: Time to fight some AAU, club influences
> >>       http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/baranek/208336,121BAR1.article 
> >>
> >> FENCING
> >>
> >>      Wildcats Host Illinois JO Qualifier at Patten Gymnasium
> >>       http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-fenc/recaps/010907aaa.html 
> >>
> >> SWIMMING
> >>
> >>      Men
> >>      No. 8 Northwestern Wins Dallas Morning News Classic
> >>       http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/011307aac.html 
> >>
> >> MISCELLANY
> >> Alumni
> >>
> >>      Zach Strief  - Plays the Bears next week.
> >>
> >>      Luis Castillo  Chargers fall short against Pats
> >>       http://www.chargers.com/news/headlines/pearce-game-story.htm 
> >>      + Castillo tells it straight
> >>       http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=609785 
> >>
> >>      Kevin Bentley - Seahawks lose to daBares
> >>       http://www.seahawks.com/News/News.aspx?id=45984 
> >>
> >>      PGA  Sony Open in Hawaii
> >>       http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r006/ 
> >>      Luke Donald  -  Tied for 2nd
> >>      Goydos edges Donald into second
> >>       http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6261947.stm 
> >>      + Eleven Alive
> >>       http://www.pgatour.com/2007/r/01/14/sony011407.ap/index.html 
> >>      + PGA Site Audio: Donald
> >>  
> >> 
> javascript:cnnVideo('play','/video/audio/interviews/2007/01/15/interview_07sony_
> >> rd4_ldonald.xm'); 
> >>      + Fairytale of Fujikawa eclipses Wie
> >>  
> >> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2F1CKUTOMGGR3QFIQMFSFGGAV
> >> CBQ0IV0?xml=/sport/2007/01/15/sgsony15.xml 
> >>
> >>      Earlier in the weekend
> >>      + Donald opens in style as Wie struggles
> >>  
> >> 
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=2F1CKUTOMGGR3QFIQMFSFGGAV
> >> CBQ0IV0?xml=/sport/2007/01/12/sgsinh12.xml 
> >>      + Donald remains on top in Hawaii
> >>       http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6258263.stm 
> >>      + Donald remains on top in Hawaii
> >>       http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6258263.stm 
> >>
> >>      Tom Johnson  -
> >>      Leaderboard from the PGA
> >>       http://www.pgatour.com/leaderboards/current/r006/index.html 
> >>
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> >> The "NU Sports News Digest" is a Daily Link
> >>  Service originally started by Frank Loomis
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Jan 16 08:27:15 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Jan 16 08:29:12 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/15
Message-ID: <20070116.062740.26494.1679306@webmail51.nyc.untd.com>

Watching the game on TV I heard more crowd noise from Wisconsin fans 
than NU fans by a decent margin.  That was sort of disappointing 
especially for a weekend game.

On weekday games the purple preferred seem to fire sale their tickets, 
which I can understand given traffic and late nights.  

We have not bought season tickets for that specific reason.  Living in 
Kildeer(20+ miles from Evanston) and getting up at 4:15am each morning 
is not compatible with 7pm tips.

-- "Michael Jackson" <bondscoop@megapathdsl.net> wrote:
<snip>The stands were full with fans for both teams.  The crowd was 
really into the game.
At one point in the second half, Scott got entangled with a player from
Wisconsin for a long time after play had gone to the other end.  
Neither player was charged with a foul but both the Wisconsin fans and 
the NU fans were outraged.  The Wisky fans started booing every time 
Scott got the ball.  The NU fans started booing every time the UW 
player got his hands on the ball.  It was good-natured and fun.  That 
type of game is the reason why we have tickets.<snip>


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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jan 16 09:14:53 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jan 16 09:14:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The basketball team
References: <20070116.062740.26494.1679306@webmail51.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <002701c73981$133010b0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

We still have people here who insist on being cheery after yet another loss, 
people who should be totally DISsatisfied with the continued failure of the 
NU basketball program.  It's another +1 under "L," our usually incremented 
column.  I did not bother watching the game.  Perhaps Wisconsin took the 
Cats lightly; perhaps the Cats played their butts off.  They always play 
their hearts out and occasionally can win a game or put the fear of God into 
a better team.  In the end, though, they are still the hustling, well 
coached, talent-starved team that Bill Carmody has always put on the floor. 
They can and will never be successful in the Big 10 until they sate 
themselves at the talent table, whatever offensive dish they choose to dine 
on.  The NU basketball program continues to be a failure and does not 
currently demonstrate any hope that will change next season.  There are 
high-caliber schools who DO recruit basketball talent.  Why can't we? 

From bondscoop at megapathdsl.net  Tue Jan 16 09:33:55 2007
From: bondscoop at megapathdsl.net (Michael Jackson)
Date: Tue Jan 16 09:33:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The basketball team
In-Reply-To: <002701c73981$133010b0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <014701c73983$bc5a1df0$0a01a8c0@Mike>

It is hard to be "cheery" when your team is losing.  It is quite another
thing to state that a game was well-played and enjoyable.  What you say
is correct.  NU needs more talent to get the job done.  What I am saying
is that this is a young team with a solid base of Freshmen and
Sophomores and a good recruiting class coming in next year. Do they need
more?  Yes.  They need one or two more big guys to bang with the front
lines in the Big Ten.  Is it enough to keep Carmody around?  Only time
will tell.   At least pay attention to how the team plays, not just the
won loss record.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com]
On Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 9:15 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] The basketball team

We still have people here who insist on being cheery after yet another
loss, 
people who should be totally DISsatisfied with the continued failure of
the 
NU basketball program.  It's another +1 under "L," our usually
incremented 
column.  I did not bother watching the game.  Perhaps Wisconsin took the

Cats lightly; perhaps the Cats played their butts off.  They always play

their hearts out and occasionally can win a game or put the fear of God
into 
a better team.  In the end, though, they are still the hustling, well 
coached, talent-starved team that Bill Carmody has always put on the
floor. 
They can and will never be successful in the Big 10 until they sate 
themselves at the talent table, whatever offensive dish they choose to
dine 
on.  The NU basketball program continues to be a failure and does not 
currently demonstrate any hope that will change next season.  There are 
high-caliber schools who DO recruit basketball talent.  Why can't we? 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 16 09:41:05 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan 16 09:41:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/16
Message-ID: <000b01c73984$bcc853a0$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

www.PurpleWildcats.com
for Purple Reign & the NU Sports List

All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Original Index to online News about
Northwestern University Athletics

BASKETBALL
Men


     Next up for the Court Cats:
     @ Ohio State Buckeyes  - 1/17 7:00 PM WT
     OSU Insider
 
http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/16/20070116
-E3-00.html 
     +  Oden, Buckeyes topple Vols, add confidence
 
http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/16/Sports/Oden-Buckeyes.Topple.Vols.Add.C
onfidence-2633998.shtml 

     Big 10
     There's a reason Hoosiers not losers
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-070115bigten,1,3484993
.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     Nothing will be easy for Izzo
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/212403,CST-SPT-big16.article 

Women

     No. 6 Ohio State defence held down Northwestern
 
http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2007/01/16/sports/college/northwestern/doc45ab1
c1c3f438328458611.txt 
     + Healthy Hoskins a blessing for Bucks
 
http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/16/Sports/Healthy.Hoskins.A.Blessing.For.
Bucks-2634001.shtml 

FOOTBALL

     Leaving early, the right decision?
      http://feeds.feedburner.com/%7Er/Foxsports/rss/CFB/%7E3/75689272/6372808 

     Big 10
     Ex-Illini to be Minnesota coach
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-070115minncoach,1,3273
545.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 

     The Buck's offense falls apart...
     Hunter: Blame system, not athletes, for generating 'disloyalty'
 
http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/16/20070116
-E1-01.html 
     + They're gone
 
http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/16/20070116
-E1-00.html 

RECRUITING

     Surprise! He Commits to Northwestern

     2006-07 Big Ten Basketball Signees

FENCING

     'Cats Compete in Columbus
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-fenc/recaps/011507aab.html 

SWIMMING

     Men
     No. 8 Northwestern Beats No. 3 Cal, No. 10 FSU At Dallas Meet
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/16/Sports/No.8-Northwestern.Beats.
No.3.Cal.No.10.Fsu.At.Dallas.mens.Swimmingmeet-2633708.shtml 
     Women
     Wildcats Pull Off Weekend Sweep Of Herd, Buckeyes
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/16/Sports/Wildcats.Pull.Off.Weeken
d.Sweep.Of.Herd.Buckeyes.womens.Swimming-2633668.shtml 

TENNIS

     Women Tennis in California
     Murray and Matzenauer Impressive In California
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/16/Sports/Murray.And.Matzenauer.Im
pressive.In.California.womens.Tennis-2633705.shtml 

     Men Win Matches against Louisville, DePaul
     'Cats Conclude Impressive Showing at National Collegiate Tennis Classic
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-tennis/spec-rel/011507aaa.html 
     Cats Split Weekend Against DePaul And No. 29 Louisville
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/16/Sports/Cats-Split.Weekend.Again
st.Depaul.And.No.29.Louisville.mens.Tennis-2633660.shtml 

WRESTLING

     Herbert Named Top Wrestler As NU Finishes 8th
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/16/Sports/Herbert.Named.Top.Wrestl
er.As.Nu.Finishes.8th.wrestling-2633701.shtml 

MISCELLANY

     Northwestern Names Hilton Garden Inn Athletes of the Week
      http://nusports.cstv.com/genrel/011507aaa.html 
     Trade ya lipo for Bears tix
      http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/212301,CST-NWS-bears16.article 

Alumni

     Brad North Brad North Selected By D.C. United in 2007 MLS Superdraft
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-soccer/spec-rel/011507aaa.html 
     +  North Taken In MLS Draft
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/16/Sports/North.Taken.In.Mls.Draft
.mens.Soccer-2633681.shtml 

     Tippy Dye what ever happened to?
 
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dwyre5jan05,1,5695836.column?page=1&coll=la-
utilities-sports&ctrack=1&cset=true 

     PGA  Bob Hope Chrysler Classic
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r002/ 
     Luke Donald -  Not Scheduled
     Lady Luck not on Donald's side
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml;jsessionid=VLNF34XSIJVLXQFIQMFCFF4AV
CBQYIV0?xml=/sport/2007/01/16/sgsony16.xml 
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jan 16 10:31:55 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jan 16 10:32:01 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The basketball team
References: <014701c73983$bc5a1df0$0a01a8c0@Mike>
Message-ID: <000301c7398b$d6305e80$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

Sorry, but it IS past time - WAY past time - to pay attention to the 
basketball team's won-loss record.  A few years back when we were .500 in 
the Big 10, that was great, but not only did we not swim forward, we sailed 
backward to Doormatville.  Carmody is not the problem except in his 
inability to recruit quality basketball players to Northwestern.  Yet, we 
cannot isolate him as the sole recruiting concern.  Our eternal losing 
credentials and demanding academic requirements are also major issues, as 
are our small, relatively unimpressive facilities.  Nonetheless, somehow, 
someway, tiny Wake Forest convinced Tim Duncan to go there.

I hope you are right about the youth and the incoming class, but my gut 
reaction to that is to quit promising to kiss me and PLANT A BIG BUSS ON MY 
CHOPS ONCE! 

From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 16 10:41:30 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan 16 10:41:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/15
In-Reply-To: <20070116.062740.26494.1679306@webmail51.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <001201c7398d$2c744da0$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

NU kept the Wiscy fans very quiet until Tucker got going and a dunk or two got
the guys in red fired up.

All told, NU had a decent contingent, but I don't think the crowd mics were near
the students - at one break you couldn't even hear the band.

rsl

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> Watching the game on TV I heard more crowd noise from Wisconsin fans 
> than NU fans by a decent margin.  That was sort of disappointing 
> especially for a weekend game.
> 


From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Jan 16 11:17:27 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Jan 16 11:20:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] The basketball team
In-Reply-To: <000301c7398b$d6305e80$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
References: <014701c73983$bc5a1df0$0a01a8c0@Mike>
	<000301c7398b$d6305e80$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <063601c73992$3250e800$85492745@hilgraeve.com>

IMHO, the basketball program has to do the same thing that the football
program did.

There has to be a investment in facilities, but more importantly, there has
to be an investment in recruiting both locally and nationally.  As our
football coaches have shown, having high academic standards can be an
advantage if you find the right kid.  If we aspire to be competitive with
Duke and Stanford academically, we have to be competitive with them in
recruiting academically gifted basketball players.

For example Stanford has a kid (Dildy) from MLK in Chicago.  If that kid can
get into Stanford, he can certainly get into Northwestern.

Duke has three kids from the Chicago area on their roster.  If they could
get into Duke, they can certainly get into Northwestern.  More importantly,
Duke has no kids from NC on its roster, so clearly they have a national
view.

OK maybe comparing ourselves to Duke and Stanford is too tough.  How about
Vandy?

They've got a kid from Indianapolis on their roster.  He could certainly get
into Northwestern too.  They've only got one kid on the roster from TN, so
they have a national focus. 

By comparison, most of the NU roster is either from the Chicago area or
Europe.

BTW, I don't think that it is the style of BB either. According to
Wikipedia, four NBA teams run some version of the Princeton offense. There
are also other college teams who play the Princeton style of basketball, are
very successful, and send kids to the NBA (e.g. Georgetown and NC State).
It may not look like Carmody's version of the offense, but this offense can
look a lot different with athletic players and a big center.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:32 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] The basketball team

Sorry, but it IS past time - WAY past time - to pay attention to the
basketball team's won-loss record.  A few years back when we were .500 in
the Big 10, that was great, but not only did we not swim forward, we sailed
backward to Doormatville.  Carmody is not the problem except in his
inability to recruit quality basketball players to Northwestern.  Yet, we
cannot isolate him as the sole recruiting concern.  Our eternal losing
credentials and demanding academic requirements are also major issues, as
are our small, relatively unimpressive facilities.  Nonetheless, somehow,
someway, tiny Wake Forest convinced Tim Duncan to go there.

I hope you are right about the youth and the incoming class, but my gut
reaction to that is to quit promising to kiss me and PLANT A BIG BUSS ON MY
CHOPS ONCE! 

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From thiegs at umn.edu  Tue Jan 16 12:44:21 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Tue Jan 16 12:44:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Brewster new Gopher head football coach
Message-ID: <003901c7399e$563d9180$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

Well, the Lane Kiffin rumor turned out not to be correct, although I've read
reports that say he was a runner-up.  Tim Brewster has been hired as the new
University of Minnesota football coach.  Brewster wasn't very high on most
people's radar, but it could turn out to be a very good hire.  Until 7 a.m.
this morning he was the Denver Broncos' tight ends coach, and prior to that
he was with the Chargers.  Before going to the NFL, he was Mack Brown's top
recruiter both at UNC and at Texas.  He has never been a coordinator or head
coach, so Coach Fitz will have more experience in that department than at
least one guy in the Big Ten!  Brewster was many Illini fans' pick to
succeed Turner but Zook was hired instead.  (Brewster was a two-time All-Big
Ten tight end and captain of the Illini team that played in the 1984 Rose
Bowl, and his son Clint is a top-15 quarterback who has verballed to
Illinois.  Apparently his youngest son is the #1-rated safety prospect in
the 2008 class.)  There will be a press conference tomorrow at 1 p.m. (CDT)
to officially announce the hire.  See http://www.gophersports.com/
 
-Joe
 
 
From wseliger at aol.com  Tue Jan 16 14:30:14 2007
From: wseliger at aol.com (wseliger@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 16 14:30:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/15
In-Reply-To: <001201c7398d$2c744da0$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <8C907C4433048EA-A0C-1C4C@WEBMAIL-RA02.sysops.aol.com>

The crowd mics (at least the ones I noticed) were in the 200 level of the purple preferred section, which is generally sedate.  They probably pick up a lot of the opposing team fans in the 300 section who do make a lot of noise.  
 
I'm guessing they don't want the mics close to the students so as to avoid the occasional "bulls*&t" and "a**hole"  chants I heard Saturday.  
 
 - Bill
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Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Sent: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/15


NU kept the Wiscy fans very quiet until Tucker got going and a dunk or two got
the guys in red fired up.

All told, NU had a decent contingent, but I don't think the crowd mics were near
the students - at one break you couldn't even hear the band.

rsl

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> Watching the game on TV I heard more crowd noise from Wisconsin fans 
> than NU fans by a decent margin.  That was sort of disappointing 
> especially for a weekend game.
> 


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 16 15:46:59 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan 16 15:46:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/15
In-Reply-To: <8C907C4433048EA-A0C-1C4C@WEBMAIL-RA02.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c739b7$d9ebb4d0$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

A few years ago, its was very dangerous to mic the crowds at Maryland, because
their chant to Rock and Roll Part II included one of G. Carlin's words you can't
say on television. 

The school finally had to stop playing the song for a while, and had to ban all
sorts of T-Shirts that referred to other teams using the same word.

WGN does put a mic above the basket on both sides, which is why the radio has
that boing every time the ball hits the rim.

Anyway, the crowd was a typical NU crowd until Tucker dunked the first time,
then all you heard were those $#@!%^$!$@$ badger cheers.

rsl

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>  
> I'm guessing they don't want the mics close to the students 
> so as to avoid the occasional "bulls*&t" and "a**hole"  
> chants I heard Saturday.  
>  
> 


From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 16 15:48:51 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan 16 15:48:43 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Brewster new Gopher head football coach
In-Reply-To: <003901c7399e$563d9180$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <000101c739b8$1c614190$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

The Trib had a story this morning about Brewster - they said he had some head
coaching experience aearlier in his career, but since he's been out only 20
years....

I guess Fitz' experiences have opened doors for the young guys.

?

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:44 PM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] Brewster new Gopher head football coach
> 
> 
> Well, the Lane Kiffin rumor turned out not to be correct, 
> although I've read reports that say he was a runner-up.  Tim 
> Brewster has been hired as the new University of Minnesota 
> football coach.  Brewster wasn't very high on most people's 
> radar, but it could turn out to be a very good hire.  Until 7 
> a.m. this morning he was the Denver Broncos' tight ends 
> coach, and prior to that he was with the Chargers.  Before 
> going to the NFL, he was Mack Brown's top recruiter both at 
> UNC and at Texas.  He has never been a coordinator or head 
> coach, so Coach Fitz will have more experience in that 
> department than at least one guy in the Big Ten!  Brewster 
> was many Illini fans' pick to succeed Turner but Zook was 
> hired instead.  (Brewster was a two-time All-Big Ten tight 
> end and captain of the Illini team that played in the 1984 
> Rose Bowl, and his son Clint is a top-15 quarterback who has 
> verballed to Illinois.  Apparently his youngest son is the 
> #1-rated safety prospect in the 2008 class.)  There will be a 
> press conference tomorrow at 1 p.m. (CDT) to officially 
> announce the hire.  See http://www.gophersports.com/
>  
> -Joe
>  
>  
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan 17 13:20:12 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jan 17 13:20:11 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/17
Message-ID: <001d01c73a6c$833695a0$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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Roundball on the Road Edition
All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Original Index to online News about
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I'm sorry about all the pop-ups that now appear on the cstv sites - I guess they
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annoying....

BASKETBALL
Men

     'Cats Take on No. 7 Ohio State Wednesday in Columbus
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/011607aaa.html 
     + Very tall order awaits Northwestern
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-070116nu,
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     + NU facing tall task against Oden, OSU
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/213489,CST-SPT-nu17.article 
     + Not In Boarding Zone
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/17/Sports/Not-In.Boarding.Zone.men
s.Basketball-2650925.shtml 
     + Coble's status uncertain for game vs. Ohio State
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=270272 

     Pregame Intel
     http://northwestern.scout.com/2/610474.html

     SportsXchange: Getting Inside
 
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/bigten/northwestern.htm 

     That game with NU helped...?
     Utah stops Air Force's win streak at 13 with 70.7 percent shooting
      http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_5028422 

     Next up for the Court Cats:
     @ Ohio State Buckeyes  - 1/17 7:00 PM WT
     Q & A: Ron Lewis
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/17/Sports/Q.A-Ron.Lewis.mens.Baske
tball-2650936.shtml 
     + No fear: Lewis will shoot with game on line
 
http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/17/20070117
-F1-00.html 
     + OSU basketball preview: Northwestern
 
http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/17/20070117
-F3-03.html 
     + Lewis time
 
http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/17/20070117
-F3-05.html 
     + Buckeyes Welcome Northwestern Wednesday
      http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/011607aaa.html 
     + SportsXchange Getting inside
      http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/bigten/ohiost.htm 

     Big 10
     Still trying to light spark under Illini
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/illinois/cs-070116illini,
1,3026381.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     Neitzel Puts Spartans Back In Hunt
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/17/Sports/Neitzel.Puts.Spartans.Ba
ck.In.Hunt-2650938.shtml 
     Men's Basketball Weekly Release - Jan. 15
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/011507aab.html 
     + Big Ten's Schedule Still the Nation's Strongest
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/011507aab.html 

Women

     Game Time Changed For Sunday's Northwestern-Wisconsin Contest
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/011607aaa.html 

FOOTBALL

     NGN Members -  Don't forget the 2007 NGN Signing Day Party. You need to
RSVP Now!

     Big 10
     Gophers pin hopes an unknown: Broncos TE coach Brewster
      http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=2733468 

FENCING

     Frosh's 'Gutsy' Showing Paces NU In Columbus
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/17/Sports/Froshs.gutsy.Showing.Pac
es.Nu.In.Columbus.womens.Fencing-2650927.shtml 

SWIMMING

     Men
     Mike Alexandrov Named Big Ten Swimmer of the Week
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/011607aab.html 
     + Northwestern's Alexandrov and Indiana's Roberts Take Home Weekly Awards
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/011607aaa.html 

     Matt Grevers Earns CollegeSwimming.com National Swimmer of The Week Honors
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/011607aad.html 

MISCELLANY

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     Wake enrolls recruit that entered Alford plea 
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Alumni

     PGA  Bob Hope Chrysler Classic
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r002/ 
     Luke Donald -  Not Scheduled
     Tom Johnson - Scheduled

     Donald denied by pin
 
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     + Goydos edges Donald into second
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jan 19 06:28:22 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jan 19 06:28:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/18
Message-ID: <000601c73bc5$4f5e6190$6901a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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Northwestern University Athletics

BASKETBALL
Men
     Northwestern Falls at No. 7 Ohio State
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/011707aaa.html
     + Oden stands tall to rattle Wildcats
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-070118012
1jan18,1,6061559.story?coll=cs-college-nwestern-print
     + Ohio State's plan works to perfection in rout of NU
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/215966,CST-SPT-nu18.article
     +  Rakov: NU Doesn't Belong With Ohio State
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/18/Sports/Nu.Doesnt.Belong.With.Oh
io.State-2652937.shtml
     + Beat-Down In Columbus
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/18/Sports/BeatDown.In.Columbus.men
s.Basketball-2652941.shtml
     + Despite Low Stats, Oden Still 'Disrupts The Game'
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/18/Sports/Despite.Low.Stats.Oden.S
till.disrupts.The.Game.mens.Basketball-2652957.shtml
     + OSU's point men sharp
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=270679

     From Ohio State Buckeyes  -
     No. 7 Buckeyes Cruise Past Northwestern, 73-41
      http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/011707aaa.html
     + Ohio State - Northwestern Postgame Analysis
      http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/610684.html
     + OSU Glides Past Northwestern 73-41
      http://www.bucknuts.com/news/story.php?article=444
     + Lewis Becomes OSU's Mr. Big Shot
      http://www.bucknuts.com/news/story.php?article=442
     + Buckeyes hone zone during lopsided win
 
http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/18/20070118
-D1-02.html
     + OSU-Northwestern box score
 
http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/18/20070118
-D3-03.html
     + Conley, Buckeyes humiliate purple kitties
 
http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/18/Sports/Conley.Buckeyes.Humiliate.Purpl
e.Kitties-2653161.shtml

     Next up for the Court Cats:
     1/20 MinnesotaGolden Gophers - 1/20 on ESPN+ 1:30 PM WT
     Illini start fast, don't let up vs. Gophers
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/215978,CST-SPT-ill18.article
     + Message clear: Carter delivers
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=270685
     + Illinois gets first road win
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=270673
     + Illini find a needed boost
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/215954,182SPT1.article

     Big 10
     Badgers keep streak going at 14

     + College Basketball


Women

     Wildcats Host No. 12 Purdue in 7 p.m. Showdown Thursday

     + Cartwright Hoping To Make Impact

     + Watch


     Game Time Changed For Sunday's Northwestern-Wisconsin Contest


FOOTBALL

     Strong Finish Gives Wildcats Momentum Heading Into 2007

     + Final 2006 Notes/Statistics


     Big 10
     New Minny coach to call every kid who committed outside the state....
     New football coach Tim Brewster aid his goals include keeping in-state
talent from leaving -- and to get the Gophers to 
     the Rose Bowl.
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/942337.html
     + Sid Hartman: New coach makes a great first impression
      http://www.startribune.com/507/story/943398.html
     + Jim Souhan: His 'neck's on the line,' but Maturi's confident
      http://www.startribune.com/150/story/943533.html
     + Patrick Reusse: There's a Gopher Nation? If so, it's a dinky one
      http://www.startribune.com/508/story/943288.html
     + Brewster gets a thumbs up from the Gophers
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/943518.html
     + Sealing state borders will be a top priority
      http://www.startribune.com/503/story/943463.html
     + As a recruiter, Brewster might be unable to sway sons
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/943589.html
     + QB Brewster picks Illini over Dad
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/215451,CST-SPT-hot18.article

     Excuses, excuses...
     OSU wasn't prepared mentally, Tressel says
      http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=240815

SWIMMING

     Women
     Northwestern Hosts No. 10 Michigan to Conclude 2006-07 Dual-Meet Schedule
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-swim/spec-rel/011807aab.html
     Men
     at Notre Dame Saturday

TENNIS

     Men take on Ball State on Friday at home

     Women at 4 Team Tourney at FSU in Florida with Penn State, Jacksonville,
and FSU
      http://seminoles.cstv.com/sports/w-tennis/fsu-w-tennis-body.html

WRESTLING

     Jake Herbert Named Big Ten Wrestler of the Week
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/011707aaa.html
     + Northwestern's Herbert Named Wrestler of the Week
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/011707aaa.html

     Illinois in for a dual Friday

MISCELLANY

 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/mortongrove/sports/205491,mg-sportsmanship-011107-s1
.article 

Alumni

     PGA  Bob Hope Chrysler Classic
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r002/ 
     Tom Johnson -  shot a -2 70 in the first round, Tied for 47th
      Full Leaderboard
      http://www.pgatour.com/leaderboards/current/r002/index.html 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Fri Jan 19 12:55:33 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Fri Jan 19 12:55:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/19
Message-ID: <000201c73bfb$66ef0900$6801a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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Northwestern University Athletics

Northwestern BASKETBALL
Men

     Injury-ridden Tolic Holds On For Last Season
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/19/Sports/InjuryRidden.Tolic.Holds
.On.For.Last.Season.mens.Basketball-2655028.shtml 
     Robotic Northwestern loses 5th straight game
 
http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2007/01/18/sports/college/northwestern/doc45af4
5f917862933003349.txt 
     + Northwestern Remains Winless in the Big Ten
 
http://www.chitowndailynews.org/Sports/2007/1/18/Northwestern_Remains_Winless_in
_the_Big_Ten 

     Next up for the Court Cats:
     1/20 MinnesotaGolden Gophers - 1/20 on ESPN+ 1:30 WT
     Gophers Fall To Illinois 64-52
 
http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=38661&SPID=3302&DB_OEM_ID=840
0&ATCLID=748894 
     + Gophers trying for second Big Ten win as they square off against
conference bottom feeder
      http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2007/01/19/70370 

     Big 10
     Message clear: Carter delivers
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=270685 

Women

     12th-Ranked Boilermakers Top 'Cats, 73-41
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/011807aab.html 
     + Wildcats Boiled Over
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/19/Sports/Wildcats.Boiled.Over.wom
ens.Basketball-2655018.shtml 
     + Wildcats' losing streak hits 11
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston/sports/215050,ev-nuwomenshoops-011807-s1.ar
ticle 

     No. 12 Purdue women coast at Northwestern
      http://www.post-trib.com/sports/219677,Purdont.article 

     Game Time Changed For Sunday's Northwestern-Wisconsin Contest
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/011607aaa.html 

     Combs Looks To Bench For Much Needed Boost In Blowout
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/19/Sports/Combs.Looks.To.Bench.For
.Much.Needed.Boost.In.Blowout.womens.Basketball-2655031.shtml 

FOOTBALL

     Be sure to attend the Northwestern Gridiron Network's 2007 Signing Day
Reception!
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats6l22a.html 

     Big 10
     Brewster cuts ties with Mason assistants
      http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=ncf&id=2735534 
     + Brewster cuts last tie to Mason's staff
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/947004.html 
     + U seeks to keep athletes in school
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/946938.html 
     + Walters: Bruininks convinced U hired the right coach
      http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/16484929.htm 
     + Powers This guy can really sling it, at least now
      http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/16484924.htm 
     + Brewster Begins 1st Day As New Coach
      http://wcco.com/sports/local_story_018114027.html 

FENCING

     Sister Act: Freshman Twins Lead Wildcats' Epee Team
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/19/Sports/Sister.Act.Freshman.Twin
s.Lead.Wildcats.Epee.Team.fencing-2655037.shtml 

SWIMMING

     Women
     Nebraska High School Legend Kocsis Adjusts To Big Ten Swimming
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/19/Sports/Nebraska.High.School.Leg
end.Kocsis.Adjusts.To.Big.Ten.Swimming.womens.Swimming-2655047.shtml 

     Men
     Diving Coach Sarkisian Brings Tradition-Rich Past To NU
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/19/Sports/Diving.Coach.Sarkisian.B
rings.TraditionRich.Past.To.Nu.mens.Swimming-2655045.shtml 

TENNIS

     Men
     Cats Take On '06 Champion Pepperdine In Evanston
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/19/Sports/Cats-Take.On.06.Champion
.Pepperdine.In.Evanston.mens.Tennis-2655033.shtml 
     Live Stats
 
http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/nw-m-tennis-livestats.html 

     Women
     Team Left Fighting For The Top Spots At Invitational
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/19/Sports/Team-Left.Fighting.For.T
he.Top.Spots.At.Invitational.womens.Tennis-2655041.shtml 

MISCELLANY

     Baranek Kids' interests should come first, if restrictions are removed
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/baranek/217062,191BAR1.article 
     College: Does a big name matter?
      http://www.startribune.com/10106/story/945966.html 

Alumni

     Zach Strief
     Strief Returns To His Stomping Grounds
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/19/Sports/Strief.Returns.To.His.St
omping.Grounds-2655024.shtml 
     PGA  Bob Hope Chrysler Classic
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r002/ 
     Tom Johnson -
      Full Leaderboard
      http://www.pgatour.com/leaderboards/current/r002/index.html 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan 20 11:31:15 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan 20 11:31:05 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Chat during the game
Message-ID: <001001c73cb8$ca00fd60$6801a8c0@DAVIDXP>


You can watch on Game Plan if you've subscribed, and use the PR link here

http://client1.addonchat.com/sc.php?id=122893

rsl

From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Jan 20 11:40:24 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Jan 20 11:40:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Chat during the game
In-Reply-To: <001001c73cb8$ca00fd60$6801a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <001001c73cb8$ca00fd60$6801a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <45B25408.1020208@att.net>

Check your local listings before you pay for GamePlan.  The game is on 
broadcast ESPN+ coverage here in Indianapolis.

Roy Lamberton wrote:
> You can watch on Game Plan if you've subscribed, and use the PR link here
>
> http://client1.addonchat.com/sc.php?id=122893
>
> rsl
>
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From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Jan 20 11:43:30 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Jan 20 11:43:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Chat during the game
In-Reply-To: <001001c73cb8$ca00fd60$6801a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <001001c73cb8$ca00fd60$6801a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <45B254C2.7050406@att.net>

Actually, it's on quite a few places.  Here is the link to the coverage:

http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/archive/010207aau.html

-Michael

 >>>>>
Check your local listings before you pay for GamePlan.  The game is on
broadcast ESPN+ coverage here in Indianapolis.

Roy Lamberton wrote:
> You can watch on Game Plan if you've subscribed, and use the PR link here
>
> http://client1.addonchat.com/sc.php?id=122893
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From michael.vance at att.net  Sat Jan 20 15:50:06 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sat Jan 20 15:50:07 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats Win!
Message-ID: <45B28E8E.2010504@att.net>

A good win, granted over a bad team, and there's no talk?  I don't care 
if it's Minnesota, a 15-point conference road win is huge!  We 
controlled the tempo, didn't get in foul trouble, and never trailed, 
despite shooting only .261 from beyond the arc.  Minny had trailed at 
halftime against Purdue in the conference opener and rallied for a win, 
so they aren't completely pathetic.  (They had one more conference win 
going into today's game than we did!)

-Michael

From ddave at nusports.com  Sat Jan 20 16:15:19 2007
From: ddave at nusports.com (dave bradley)
Date: Sat Jan 20 16:16:48 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats Win!
Message-ID: <20070120141519.39798162@resin06.mta.everyone.net>

Agree, Michael. As the announcer said when he talked to BC after the game, it was a "textbook" example of Princeton execution.  Minn was missing their big man but 'Cats defense really took control early. Not many 3's but the Cats hit some when they needed to in second half to keep some momentum. I must confess I was still a bit nervous even with the 12-14 point lead with 4 minutes to play....Glad to see Coble back in the game (off the bench) and generating some offense. Ryan looked good, too.

About the only flaw worth noting was the ESPN-Plus broadcast problems (periodic video dropouts) in the first half :-)

Shame the 'Cats have OSU back in Evanston as their next opponent...would have been nice to feed off this win against Penn State or Iowa.


dave bradley
(717) 687-5355
ddave@NUsports.com



--- michael.vance@att.net wrote:

From: Michael Vance <michael.vance@att.net>
To: nwu-sports@romaine.tssi.com
Cc:
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats Win!
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2007 16:50:06 -0500

A good win, granted over a bad team, and there's no talk?  I don't care 
if it's Minnesota, a 15-point conference road win is huge!  We 
controlled the tempo, didn't get in foul trouble, and never trailed, 
despite shooting only .261 from beyond the arc.  Minny had trailed at 
halftime against Purdue in the conference opener and rallied for a win, 
so they aren't completely pathetic.  (They had one more conference win 
going into today's game than we did!)

-Michael

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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Sat Jan 20 16:17:53 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Sat Jan 20 16:17:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats Win!
In-Reply-To: <45B28E8E.2010504@att.net>
References: <45B28E8E.2010504@att.net>
Message-ID: <45B29511.2020708@insightbb.com>

A good win indeed and it was especially important to see them bounce 
back from the OSU game.  Good to see Cobble back and effective - he is 
an important ingredient in this team's anemic offense and when he is 
out, we miss him terribly.  Hard to believe he is only a freshman.  
Carmody seemed pleased after the game as he should have been, after 
relegating Minny to its rightful place at the bottom of the conference.  
Glad we get to play them again soon.
Mark

Michael Vance wrote:
> A good win, granted over a bad team, and there's no talk?  I don't 
> care if it's Minnesota, a 15-point conference road win is huge!  We 
> controlled the tempo, didn't get in foul trouble, and never trailed, 
> despite shooting only .261 from beyond the arc.  Minny had trailed at 
> halftime against Purdue in the conference opener and rallied for a 
> win, so they aren't completely pathetic.  (They had one more 
> conference win going into today's game than we did!)
>
> -Michael
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sat Jan 20 18:14:42 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sat Jan 20 18:14:44 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats Win!
References: <45B28E8E.2010504@att.net> <45B29511.2020708@insightbb.com>
Message-ID: <000701c73cf1$26add5a0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

I hate to be the wet blanket, but this was not a good win.  It was a 
pleasant win, but they looked good only because they were playing a very bad 
Div 1A basketball team.  The Cats' three-point shooting was dreadful; 
otherwise they would have won by 30 or more.  At one point late both teams 
were 3 for 19 from beyond the arc.  That ain't a gonna cut it.  No, the 
margain of victory does not matter per se, but the rest of the league won't 
be as inept as Minnesota.

Having said that, Kevin Coble is a surprisingly good basketball player, but 
he's got to add some serious muscle to that 6' 8", 190 lb. frame.  We still 
need a big center, a slashing forward or point guard, better three-point 
shooters, and enough depth to go at least nine deep from the bench. 

From michael.vance at att.net  Sun Jan 21 00:08:41 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Sun Jan 21 00:08:42 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats Win!
In-Reply-To: <000701c73cf1$26add5a0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
References: <45B28E8E.2010504@att.net> <45B29511.2020708@insightbb.com>
	<000701c73cf1$26add5a0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
Message-ID: <45B30369.7000900@att.net>

Dennis, while you won't get any argument from me on the details of your 
response, I prefer to see the glass half-full whereas, in keeping with 
recent patterns, you're more of a half-empty guy.  Your view may even be 
the more realistic of the two, but a conference road win is a good win, 
no matter the score.  The conference sked has not been kind to the 'Cats 
so far, with only a talented-but-schizophrenic Michigan team and one of 
the top five teams in the country at home so far.  Unfortunately, two of 
the next three aren't much better, with Wisconsin and OSU again, but at 
least they're at home and at least we know that we can beat Minny.

Speaking of the fact that we play the Gophers again so soon, does it 
seem to anyone else that a lot of the home-and-home series in the 
conference are unusually close together this year?  Michigan and Purdue 
played in West Lafayette and Ann Arbor a week apart.  We face OSU and 
Minny in four straight games, we play our two games against Purdue a 
week apart at the end of the season.  PSU has their Wisconsin games a 10 
days apart and their two OSU games a week apart.  I haven't looked at 
everyone's schedule, nor have I looked at past schedules, but it just 
seems to me that it's happening a lot this year.  Is this a new 
scheduling method that the conference is experimenting with or is it a 
one-year fluke?

-Michael

Dennis W. Brandt wrote:
> I hate to be the wet blanket, but this was not a good win.  It was a 
> pleasant win, but they looked good only because they were playing a 
> very bad Div 1A basketball team.  The Cats' three-point shooting was 
> dreadful; otherwise they would have won by 30 or more.  At one point 
> late both teams were 3 for 19 from beyond the arc.  That ain't a gonna 
> cut it.  No, the margain of victory does not matter per se, but the 
> rest of the league won't be as inept as Minnesota.
>
> Having said that, Kevin Coble is a surprisingly good basketball 
> player, but he's got to add some serious muscle to that 6' 8", 190 lb. 
> frame.  We still need a big center, a slashing forward or point guard, 
> better three-point shooters, and enough depth to go at least nine deep 
> from the bench.
> _______________________________________________
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From tbng at comcast.net  Sun Jan 21 04:26:19 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Sun Jan 21 04:26:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Cats Win!
References: <45B28E8E.2010504@att.net>
	<45B29511.2020708@insightbb.com><000701c73cf1$26add5a0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
	<45B30369.7000900@att.net>
Message-ID: <000501c73d46$978d8db0$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

> I prefer to see the glass half-full whereas, in keeping with recent 
> patterns, you're more of a half-empty guy.  Your view may even be the more 
> realistic of the two, but a conference road win is a good win,

Half-empty guy?  That's relative of course.  If I am, I have good reasons. 
If I were still in my twenties (I can't say how many miles you have on your 
tread), I would be a half-fuller, too, because then I would not have 
witnessed a two-score litany of roundball futility.  Since I matriculated at 
Northwestern in 1964, they have never had a quality basketball team.  Never. 
Not once.  There were a precious few close calls but none that made it over 
the mountain.  Mostly, they have been the league doormat.  During that time 
they have had two or three measly trips to the NIT thanks to a pre-season 
defeating nobodys.  They have one post-season win in school history.  One! 
I have seen NU teams that showed promise only to watch the next season fade 
into oblivion as players walked out or graduated and no one of any caliber 
took their place.  We have had teams that could at times play well at home 
for 56 minutes only to frustrate us by collapsing and losing the game (a la 
the recent Wisconsin game).  Conversely, the number of times Northwestern 
has pulled out a last-second Big 10 victory during that time literally could 
be counted on the fingers of your hands with some digits left over.

There is no better example of  futility in the history of sports than the 
Northwestern University men's basketball team.  It is telling that while 
Bill Carmody has granted us the best long-term basketball play in school 
history, that still isn't good enough to reach the post-season.  I have seen 
nothing on the current team that would make me think we will be a force in 
the Big 10 next season.  Yes, we seem to have a nucleus of decent, young 
players, but a nucleus alone does not an atom make.  We need to add weight 
to that nucleus and get some of those funny little things swirling around 
it.  If thar be whales here this time, GLORY HALLELUAH IN THE YEAR OF 
JUBILEE!  But I'm still waiting for "next season" to become "this season." 

From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Sun Jan 21 13:38:26 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Sun Jan 21 13:40:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Club Sports Results
Message-ID: <20070121.114022.945.667027@webmail57.nyc.untd.com>

On a good note, since there's been a lot of downers about roundball, 
the NU Synchronized Skating Team (known as the Purple Line) won Open 
Collegiate Sectional Championships.  They are three years old and a 
club team.  I dragged Marc to go see them skate yesterday (in Geneva, 
IL) and as minimal as I know about Synchro (my passion is singles 
skating), I DO know that our girls skated GREAT to win!  Not only 
that, but they beat the Evil Empire -- handily!  

Here is a link to the results for those who may be interested:
http://www.usfigureskating.org/event_related_details.asp?
ri=content/events/200607/sys-midpc/mid-opencollegiatefree.htm

Go Cats!
Maureen Linhardt
Tech 93


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From sjtruog at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 21 18:54:26 2007
From: sjtruog at yahoo.com (SjT (Stephen J. Truog))
Date: Sun Jan 21 18:54:54 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Final Standings
Message-ID: <718918.16707.qm@web52915.mail.yahoo.com>

Just trying to occupy myself in the midst of New
Orleans' loss ... I shoulda known something was wrong
when the entire universe started picking the Saints
(hey, get off MY bandwagon!:) ) ... but a lot like the
BCS game. We had our shots and abandoned the run when
we cut it to 17-14 (or 16-14 today) and it got ugly
from there.

Oh well, congrats to Mark Ament and Neil Kaplan who
both finished 15-5 in this year's bowl pool (and I
forgot the tiebreaker - doh!). And also to Bob
Waldele, who won last year's bowl pool.

An updated hall of fame ...

##################################
## PIGSKIN PICKS - HALL OF FAME ##
##################################

Winners of past years, whose names shall live forever
in immortality... (online at least):)

MATT HARTL "OVERALL EXCELLENCE" AWARD
Overall Pigskin Picks Champion
########################################
1997 - Eric J. Steffe
1998 - Carl Pilger
1999 - Eric J. Steffe
2000 - Bill Praast
2001 - Harlan Heiber
2002 - Chuck Herron
2003 - Chuck Herron
2004 - Marilyn Zilka
2005 - Alan Wolfson
2006 - Marilyn Zilka

ROB JOHNSON "IRONMAN" AWARD
Best record of those who have competed every week
####################################################
1997 - Eric J. Steffe (135-40)
1998 - Trey McAdams (120-40)
1999 - Bruce Taylor (111-39)
2000 - Steve Kandelman and Bruce Taylor (109-44)
2001 - Trey McAdams (107-43)
2002 - Chuck Herron (132-48)
2003 - Chuck Herron (130-40)
2004 - Marilyn Zilka (129-36)
2005 - Alan Wolfson (112-38)
2006 - Chuck Herron (113-37)

STEVE SCHNUR "ACCURACY" AWARD
Highest percentage - min. 5 weeks
######################################
1997 - Eric J. Steffe (.771)
1998 - Carl Pilger (.792)
1999 - Eric J. Steffe (.756)
2000 - Bill Praast (.714)
2001 - Harlan Heiber (.744)
2002 - Greg Kane (.738)
2003 - Chuck Herron (.765)
2004 - Marilyn Zilka (.782)
2005 - Alan Wolfson (.747)
2006 - Marilyn Zilka (.764)

PAT FITZGERALD "MOST HITS" AWARD
Most correct picks overall
####################################
1997 - NA
1998 - Trey McAdams (120)
1999 - Bruce Taylor (111)
2000 - Steve Kandelman and Bruce Taylor (109)
2001 - Trey McAdams (107)
2002 - Chuck Herron (132)
2003 - Chuck Herron (130)
2004 - Marilyn Zilka (129)
2005 - Alan Wolfson (112)
2006 - Chuck Herron (113)

BRIAN MUSSO "GUTSY" AWARD
Most upset special picks
############################
1997 - NA
1998 - Kelly Sevilla (10)
1999 - Jim Bendat (12)
2000 - Jim Bendat and Kelly Sevilla (13)
2001 - Jim Bendat (15)
2002 - Jim Bendat (18)
2003 - Bill O'Connor (14)
2004 - Carl Rossi (10)
2005 - Ace McInturff (14)
2006 - Ace McInturff (10)

D'WAYNE BATES "BOWL MVP" AWARD
Best performance in the postseason pool
#######################################
1997 - Mark Loach (20-1)
1998 - Jeff Larson (18-4)
1999 - Roger Bradshaw (15-8)
2000 - Carl Rossi (18-6)
2001 - Kenn Ruby (19-6)
2002 - Ty Levine (18-10)
2003 - Ryan Farney (19-8)
2004 - Ace McInturff and Ivars Embrekts (19-8)
2005 - Bob Waldele (19-8)
2006 - Mark Ament and Neil Kaplan (15-5)

See ya next season!
GO CATS!!!
-SjT

* * * * * * * * *
STEPHEN J. TRUOG
sjtruog@yahoo.com
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From MHRJGScott at aol.com  Sun Jan 21 21:25:45 2007
From: MHRJGScott at aol.com (MHRJGScott@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan 21 21:26:32 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] PIGSKIN PICKS - Final Standings
Message-ID: <c72.af7cac0.32e588b9@aol.com>

I am sorry about the Saints as I lived in New Orleans 12 years but I  was 
born and lived in Chicago 35 years, and now get to see my old caddie Peyton  
against my Bears in Miami, just a 3 hour drive (and probably $3k) since as a  
Bears season ticket holder I did not win the super bowl lottery, if anybody has  a 
contact for SB tickets let me know.
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan 21 22:24:19 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Jan 21 22:23:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/20
Message-ID: <000401c73ddd$2ff28c40$6401a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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for Purple Reign & the NU Sports List

In the Win Column Twice Edition

All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Original Index to online News about
Northwestern University Athletics

Northwestern BASKETBALL
Men

     Wildcats Bury Gophers For Sixth Straight Time
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/012007aaa.html 
     + Coble's return gives NU 1st Big Ten win
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-070120nu,1,2285635.sto
ry?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Wildcats' defense smothers Gophers 
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/221790,CST-SPT-nu21.article 
     + Northwestern 55, Minnesota 40
      http://www.in-forum.com/ap/index.cfm?page=view&id=D8MP8PPO5 
     + Good Start + REbounding = NU 55 Minny40
     http://northwestern.scout.com/2/611412.html

     From the Minnesota Golden Gophers 
     Wildcats Stifle Gophers 55-40
      http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=750245 
     + Box Score
 
http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=38661&SPID=3302&DB_OEM_ID=840
0&ATCLID=750233 
     + Post-Game Notes/Quotes
 
http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&SPSID=38663&SPID=3302&DB_OEM_ID=84
00&ATCLID=750272 
     + Gopher Basketball Game by Game Scoring
      http://minnesota.scout.com/2/611396.html 
     + U stays stuck in no-scoring zone
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/949235.html 
     + Wildcats Win 6 Straight Against Gophers Since '03
      http://wcco.com/sports/local_story_020164717.html 
     + Wildcats' defense stifles Gophers
 
http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/articles/index.cfm?id=33829&section=Sports 

     Next up for the Court Cats:
     1/24 Ohio State Buckeyes  - 7:00 PM ESPN+
     Ohio State - Iowa Postgame Analysis
      http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/611496.html 
     + OSU Pulls Away From Iowa, 82-63
      http://www.bucknuts.com/news/story.php?article=457 
     + Buckeyes score KO
 
http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/21/20070121
-E1-00.html 
     + OSU-Iowa box score
 
http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/21/20070121
-E2-07.html 
     + Oden's near-perfect shooting fuels Ohio State
 
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/search/Ohio/SIG=12r0u9f88/*http%3A//cbs.spo
rtsline.com/collegebasketball/gamecenter/recap/NCAAB_20070120_IA@OHST/rss 
     + Oden's 29 help No. 7 Ohio State roll
 
http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/rss/search/Ohio/SIG=11vu84n1p/*http%3A//www.spo
rtingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=169745 

     Big 10 , and more
     Illini rattle; Badgers roll
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-070120illinois,1,31068
19.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Illini's big effort still not enough 
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/221875,CST-SPT-ill21.article 
     + Stakes for Indiana game just got higher 
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/221879,CST-SPT-herb21.article 

     Fearless Hoosiers win fifth straight 
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/221902,CST-SPT-ind21.article 

Women

     Wildcats Welcome Wisconsin to Welsh-Ryan
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/011907aac.html 
     + Game Time Changed For Sunday's Northwestern-Wisconsin
     Contest
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/011607aaa.html 
     + Listen
 
javascript:window.open('http://all-access.cstv.com/cstv/player/player.html?code=
nw&sport=w-baskbl&category=live&media=13883','AudioBroadcast','toolbar=no,resize
able=no,scrollbars=yes,width=1000,height=700'); 
     void(''); 
     + Gametracker
 
javascript:window.open('http://livestats.nusports.collegesports.com/livestats/da
ta/w-baskbl/505205/','GameTrackerwbaskbl','toolbar=no,resizeable=no,scrollbars=n
o,width=780,height=540'); 
     void(''); 

FOOTBALL

     NU assistant coach charged with DUI
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-0701210003jan21,1,3019
141.story?coll=cs-college-print 

SWIMMING

     Men
     No. 8 Northwestern Takes Down No. 16 Notre Dame, 167-131
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/012007aab.html 

     Women
     No. 10 Michigan Tops Northwestern, 162-132
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-swim/recaps/012007aab.html 

TENNIS

     Women
     Ninth-Ranked 'Cats Nearly Perfect on Day One of Florida State Invitational
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-tennis/spec-rel/012007aab.html 

MISCELLANY

Alumni

     PGA  Bob Hope Chrysler Classic
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r002/ 
     Tom Johnson -  Shoots 71, now tied at 30th
     Fourth-round notebook
      http://www.pgatour.com/2007/r/01/20/notebook012007/index.html 
     Full Leaderboard
      http://www.pgatour.com/leaderboards/current/r002/index.html 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sun Jan 21 22:28:00 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sun Jan 21 22:27:30 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Chat during the game
In-Reply-To: <45B25408.1020208@att.net>
Message-ID: <000501c73ddd$b3117140$6401a8c0@DAVIDXP>

Unfortunately, many of the major metro areas are not included in the coverage,
including NY, Washington, Atlants, LA, SFO, you get the picture....

Yes we should check the lineups before we subscribe, but I bought the entire
season <g>

Good thing, none of the games will be on our local cable, except on PPV.

rsl

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> 
> Check your local listings before you pay for GamePlan.  The 
> game is on 
> broadcast ESPN+ coverage here in Indianapolis.

From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Mon Jan 22 07:52:00 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Mon Jan 22 07:53:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
Message-ID: <20070122.055217.713.1629579@webmail13.nyc.untd.com>

Do you fire McGee for his DUI or not?

I am sure any decision that would be made would be AFTER signing day.

I am mixed.  

I think NU has to run a very clean program, because that is one of our 
major selling points.  Coaches with troubles suggests the 
possibilities of academic indiscretions.

OTOH if he says the right things and this behavior is isolated then it 
can be overlooked as a stupid mistake.

If it was decided that he needed to go how bad would our offense 
suffer and who would be find to replace him?


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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan 22 10:02:03 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan 22 10:02:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/22
Message-ID: <001101c73e3e$a9059bc0$6401a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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Bears in a Zone Edition

All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Original Index to online News about
Northwestern University Athletics

BASKETBALL
Men

     Wildcats Strike Gold
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/22/Sports/Wildcats.Strike.Gold.men
s.Basketball-2656719.shtml 
     + Coble Impresses In Return From Injury
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/22/Sports/Coble.Impresses.In.Retur
n.From.Injury.mens.Basketball-2656677.shtml 
     + Coble's return gives NU 1st Big Ten win
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-070120nu,1,2285635.sto
ry?coll=cs-college-headlines 

     Sports Xchange: Getting Inside, etc...
 
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/mensbasketball/bigten/northwestern.htm 

     Kalan: It's Too Soon To Celebrate
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/22/Sports/Its-Too.Soon.To.Celebrat
e-2656975.shtml 
     Benson Must win at The Barn
      http://www.wnur.org/sports/analysts/benson20070118.htm 

     Next up for the Court Cats:
     1/24 Ohio State Buckeyes  - 7:00 PM  ESPN Plus Clearances
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/archive/010307aad.html 
     Oden Leads Ohio State Over Iowa 82-63
      http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/012007aaa.html 
     + Ohio State - Iowa Postgame Analysis
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=145&p=2&c=611496 
     + OSU Pulls Away From Iowa, 82-63
      http://www.bucknuts.com/news/story.php?article=457 
     + Cook sets table in win over Iowa
 
http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/22/20070122
-E5-00.html 
     + Woods Waking up next to Greg Frickin' Oden
 
http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/19/Sports/Waking.Up.Next.To.Greg.Frickin.
Oden-2655240.shtml 

     Then the "Bottom Feeding" Minnesota Golden Gophers again
     Wildcats not alone at the bottom anymore
      http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2007/01/22/70382 
     + U stays stuck in no-scoring zone
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/949235.html 

     Big 10 , and more
     Sampson coming to hostile Illini territory
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=272338 
     Hoops Blog: #7 Ohio State Buries Iowa
      http://iowa.scout.com/2/590407.html 
     Ohio State and Purdue Enter Sunday Undefeated
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/011507aab.html 

     Here's the Big 10 Wonk's number crunching efforts
     Tempo Free Stats intro to tempo-free stats
      http://bigtenwonk.blogspot.com/2006/11/tempo-free-stats-last-years.html 
     + offense
      http://bigtenwonk.blogspot.com/2007/01/team-tempo-free-stats-offense.html 
     + defense
      http://bigtenwonk.blogspot.com/2007/01/team-tempo-free-stats-defense.html 
     + efficiency margin
 
http://bigtenwonk.blogspot.com/2007/01/efficiency-margin-conference-games-only.h
tml 
     + pace
 
http://bigtenwonk.blogspot.com/2007/01/pace-conference-games-only-through.html 

Women

     Wildcats Bested by Badgers, 74-50
     + Badgered Into Defeat: NU Loses 13th Straight
     +  Cats Unable To Harness Early Spark From Second String

FOOTBALL

     McGee Faces DUI, Speeding Charges In Oklahoma
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/22/Sports/Mcgee.Faces.Dui.Speeding
.Charges.In.Oklahoma.football-2656737.shtml 
     Rules that sped up football likely to see changes
 
http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/%7Er/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories/%7E3/792
81264/2007-01-21-rules-changes_x.htm 
     Notebook: Rutgers raises to coaches amid layoffs
 
http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/%7Er/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories/%7E3/793
53335/2007-01-21-notebook_x.htm 

RECRUITING

     Soft Commit indeed
     Grosso has "Incredible Time" at Florida State
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=611652 

TENNIS

     Women
     Ninth-Ranked 'Cats Roll in Final Day of Florida State Invitational
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-tennis/spec-rel/012107aaa.html 

     Men
     'Cats Challenge Waves, Fall 7-0
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/012107aab.html 

WRESTLING

     Fifth-Ranked Hawkeyes Down Eighth-Ranked 'Cats, 24-14
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/012107aaa.html 
     + Iowa wrestlers pin Northwestern
 
http://desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070121/SPORTS020503/70
121013/1003 
     + Hawkeyes Drop Northwestern, 24-14
      http://hawkeyesports.cstv.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/012107aaa.html 
     + Wrestlers roll over Northwestern
 
http://www.dailyiowan.com/news/2007/01/22/Sports/Wrestlers.Roll.Over.Northwester
n-2656346.shtml 
     + Iowa opens Big Ten with win
 
http://www.hawkcentral.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070122/HAWKS0110/7012203
21/1080 

MISCELLANY

     Mobile phones banned at the Open
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/golf/6286849.stm 

Alumni


     Rich AbrahamsGetting older and fighting even harder
      http://www.denverpost.com/lifestyles/ci_5052487 

     Matt Ulrich Only Cat playing in the Super Bowl
      http://mirror.colts.com/sub.cfm?page=depth 

     PGA
     Tom Johnson - Final Results
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r002/results/index.html 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan 22 11:57:04 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan 22 12:46:48 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <20070122.055217.713.1629579@webmail13.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <001801c73e4e$b99a5920$6401a8c0@DAVIDXP>

In a time where we have faculty and alumni actively campaigning for the
legalization of Marijuana, and other drugs, and who have probably operated a
motor vehicle under the influence of said drugs, I cannot imagine firing anyone
over this alleged event.

If we applied the alcohol free logic to the football staff, we would have no
assistant coaches, and very little alumni attendance at the NGN Auction.

I'm sure McGee won't be driving after a night of partying again any time soon,
but to remove a coach who was on vacation, consuming a legal substance seems
pretty unfair. At least to me...

Unless you're just looking for a reason to get rid of him....

rsl
  

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates
and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All ===========
"You have a Republic Madam --
     If you can keep it" - Benjamin Franklin
============================================

> Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
> 
> 
> Do you fire McGee for his DUI or not?
> 
> 

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Mon Jan 22 12:53:00 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Jan 22 12:53:04 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
Message-ID: <012220071853.6512.45B5080C00088AFA000019702216549976090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Roy:

You've got that right!  If he had been a  member of the Black Panthers or the Weathermen, he could be guarnteed a free pass.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> In a time where we have faculty and alumni actively campaigning for the
> legalization of Marijuana, and other drugs, and who have probably operated a
> motor vehicle under the influence of said drugs, I cannot imagine firing anyone
> over this alleged event.
> 
> If we applied the alcohol free logic to the football staff, we would have no
> assistant coaches, and very little alumni attendance at the NGN Auction.
> 
> I'm sure McGee won't be driving after a night of partying again any time soon,
> but to remove a coach who was on vacation, consuming a legal substance seems
> pretty unfair. At least to me...
> 
> Unless you're just looking for a reason to get rid of him....
> 
> rsl
>   
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
> Computer Applications & Support Associates
> and Publisher of Purple Reign, 
> The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
> (http://www.purplewildcats.com)
> AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
> ======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All ===========
> "You have a Republic Madam --
>      If you can keep it" - Benjamin Franklin
> ============================================
> 
> > Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
> > 
> > 
> > Do you fire McGee for his DUI or not?
> > 
> > 
> 
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From NEONRye at aol.com  Mon Jan 22 13:14:16 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 22 13:14:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
Message-ID: <d4f.76e44e.32e66708@aol.com>

I agree with Roy's comment, but cannot fathom what John is trying to say  
with his comment.    If it is somehow a slap at liberalism or  perhaps radical 
left movements of the 60's and 70's, what does that have to  do with a DUI in 
2007?  Why, because some people want to decriminalize  marijuana--and what does 
that have to do with a DUII in 2007, when the DAILY  article says the 
"influence" was alcohol (not any type of  drugs)?    
 
I hope that Coach McGee is able to work things out (as a presumably  
first-time offender, he should be able to get a plea with the condition that he  go 
into a "program" or "school" (where you learn not to drink and drive) set by  
the Court).  And then deal honestly and affirmatively with the young men  under 
his charge.  I am confident that unless he "blew" a very high  percentage of 
alcohol in his system, that the University (and Coach Fitz)  can--and 
should--give him a second chance--but with strict conditions that if he  slips again, 
that's it.  I say that as a former prosecutor who now handles  some criminal 
defense as part of my legal practice, including an occasional  "DWI" or "DUI" 
case in NY.  
 
Paul Levinson
From johnadeg at comcast.net  Mon Jan 22 13:45:12 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Jan 22 13:45:17 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
Message-ID: <012220071945.23114.45B51448000A168800005A4A2216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

MY point related to the comment that faculty members were past (and maybe?) current users of illegal drugs so shouldn't be criticaal of a DUI charge.  Also, It's always fun to stir up NY liberals, not that it is much of a challenge.
By the way for a contrast standards of conduct between at least NU  if not most of college sports, how about the Detroit Lions assitant coach who was picked up for trying to make a purchase at the drive in window of  a fast food restaraunt while wearing no clothes and drunk as a skunk. and is still on the LIons coaching staff!  Maybe that is why college sports are a lot more fun to watch than the pros


John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: NEONRye@aol.com
> I agree with Roy's comment, but cannot fathom what John is trying to say  
> with his comment.    If it is somehow a slap at liberalism or  perhaps radical 
> left movements of the 60's and 70's, what does that have to  do with a DUI in 
> 2007?  Why, because some people want to decriminalize  marijuana--and what does 
> that have to do with a DUII in 2007, when the DAILY  article says the 
> "influence" was alcohol (not any type of  drugs)?    
>  
> I hope that Coach McGee is able to work things out (as a presumably  
> first-time offender, he should be able to get a plea with the condition that he  
> go 
> into a "program" or "school" (where you learn not to drink and drive) set by  
> the Court).  And then deal honestly and affirmatively with the young men  under 
> his charge.  I am confident that unless he "blew" a very high  percentage of 
> alcohol in his system, that the University (and Coach Fitz)  can--and 
> should--give him a second chance--but with strict conditions that if he  slips 
> again, 
> that's it.  I say that as a former prosecutor who now handles  some criminal 
> defense as part of my legal practice, including an occasional  "DWI" or "DUI" 
> case in NY.  
>  
> Paul Levinson


From yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu  Mon Jan 22 13:48:12 2007
From: yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu (Evan Bradley)
Date: Mon Jan 22 13:48:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <012220071853.6512.45B5080C00088AFA000019702216549976090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
References: <012220071853.6512.45B5080C00088AFA000019702216549976090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <914d6aa90701221148n6b3798ecnd96345e4cdf867e3@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not advocating any course of action here, but I have to point out
that there is a *clear* difference between, say, advocating the
legalization of marijuana (or the end of prohibition, if this were the
1930s) and condoning driving under its influence; surely, those of you
who are against the prohibition of alcohol are also against drunk
driving?

It's this kind of oversimplification and mischaracterization that
leads to animosity and makes politics completely unbearable, at least
to those of us who value the discussion of real issues over the
slinging of insults.

As the saying goes, think when you drink (smoke/talk/etc.).

Evan

On 1/22/07, johnadeg@comcast.net <johnadeg@comcast.net> wrote:
> Roy:
>
> You've got that right!  If he had been a  member of the Black Panthers or the Weathermen, he could be guarnteed a free pass.
>
> John DeGroat
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> > In a time where we have faculty and alumni actively campaigning for the
> > legalization of Marijuana, and other drugs, and who have probably operated a
> > motor vehicle under the influence of said drugs, I cannot imagine firing anyone
> > over this alleged event.
> >
> > If we applied the alcohol free logic to the football staff, we would have no
> > assistant coaches, and very little alumni attendance at the NGN Auction.
> >
> > I'm sure McGee won't be driving after a night of partying again any time soon,
> > but to remove a coach who was on vacation, consuming a legal substance seems
> > pretty unfair. At least to me...
> >
> > Unless you're just looking for a reason to get rid of him....
> >
> > rsl
> >
> >
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
> > Computer Applications & Support Associates
> > and Publisher of Purple Reign,
> > The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
> > (http://www.purplewildcats.com)
> > AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
> > ======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All ===========
> > "You have a Republic Madam --
> >      If you can keep it" - Benjamin Franklin
> > ============================================
> >
> > > Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you fire McGee for his DUI or not?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nwu-sports site list
> > nwu-sports@tssi.com
> > http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://romaine.tssi.com/mailman/listinfo/nwu-sports
>
>


-- 
Evan Bradley
(202) 687-7837
http://maxlab.neuro.georgetown.edu

From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Mon Jan 22 13:48:00 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Mon Jan 22 13:49:24 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
Message-ID: <20070122.114822.760.1214145@webmail60.nyc.untd.com>

Just so there is no confusion.

I am happy with the job McGee did in 2006 with the exception of taking 
too long to start Bacher.  I believe he understands the Northwestern-
spread and can adapt it to our talent.  NU should be ready to give him 
a healthy raise in 2007 assuming next year turned into a bowl game.

All that being said I do believe this incident takes somes of the 
luster off...

I do not like the idea of minimizing a DUI.  Don't you believe that 
causes a credibility loss when entering a recruit's home?  The student-
athlete probably does not care about the DUI, but the parent might.  
Talking with coaches, we often recruit the parent just as hard as the 
athletes themselves.


-- "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com> wrote:
<snip>
Unless you're just looking for a reason to get rid of him....



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From pcw at warnerpatents.com  Mon Jan 22 14:05:40 2007
From: pcw at warnerpatents.com (Peter C. Warner)
Date: Mon Jan 22 14:05:51 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <d4f.76e44e.32e66708@aol.com>
References: <d4f.76e44e.32e66708@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000301c73e60$b12c1ff0$7001a8c0@Latitude>

Didn't Gary Moeller resign at Michigan after a similar incident?



From johnl at mac.com  Mon Jan 22 14:40:57 2007
From: johnl at mac.com (John Labbe)
Date: Mon Jan 22 14:41:02 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <012220071945.23114.45B51448000A168800005A4A2216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
References: <012220071945.23114.45B51448000A168800005A4A2216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F2B85F4B-0110-1000-90D9-555DCF761CFC-Webmail-10021@mac.com>

I had assumed that John's comment was directed to a certain member of the NU law faculty who was a former leader in the Weatherman organization.  But that particular situation has more to do with the benefits of being the daughter-in-law of a member of the board of trustees than anything else.  So I thought it was irrelevant.  Also irrelevant would be anybody else's views regarding the legalization of marijuana.

Regarding the actual issue at hand, I agree with Roy that McGee should not be fired.  However, I disagree with Roy's reasoning.  I don't think it's OK for a football coach on "vacation" to drive while intoxicated.  I don't think he should lose his job over it, but it's nevertheless a serious issue.  I won't harp on it, but I think we all probably know of lives that have needlessly been lost to drunk driving.

John



On Monday, January 22, 2007, at 02:07PM, <johnadeg@comcast.net> wrote:
>MY point related to the comment that faculty members were past (and maybe?) current users of illegal drugs so shouldn't be criticaal of a DUI charge.  Also, It's always fun to stir up NY liberals, not that it is much of a challenge.
>By the way for a contrast standards of conduct between at least NU  if not most of college sports, how about the Detroit Lions assitant coach who was picked up for trying to make a purchase at the drive in window of  a fast food restaraunt while wearing no clothes and drunk as a skunk. and is still on the LIons coaching staff!  Maybe that is why college sports are a lot more fun to watch than the pros
>
>
>John DeGroat
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: NEONRye@aol.com
>> I agree with Roy's comment, but cannot fathom what John is trying to say  
>> with his comment.    If it is somehow a slap at liberalism or  perhaps radical 
>> left movements of the 60's and 70's, what does that have to  do with a DUI in 
>> 2007?  Why, because some people want to decriminalize  marijuana--and what does 
>> that have to do with a DUII in 2007, when the DAILY  article says the 
>> "influence" was alcohol (not any type of  drugs)?    
>>  
>> I hope that Coach McGee is able to work things out (as a presumably  
>> first-time offender, he should be able to get a plea with the condition that he  
>> go 
>> into a "program" or "school" (where you learn not to drink and drive) set by  
>> the Court).  And then deal honestly and affirmatively with the young men  under 
>> his charge.  I am confident that unless he "blew" a very high  percentage of 
>> alcohol in his system, that the University (and Coach Fitz)  can--and 
>> should--give him a second chance--but with strict conditions that if he  slips 
>> again, 
>> that's it.  I say that as a former prosecutor who now handles  some criminal 
>> defense as part of my legal practice, including an occasional  "DWI" or "DUI" 
>> case in NY.  
>>  
>> Paul Levinson
>
>
>
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From tbng at comcast.net  Mon Jan 22 14:56:29 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Mon Jan 22 14:56:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
References: <d4f.76e44e.32e66708@aol.com>
Message-ID: <002501c73e67$caa12320$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

1. "I. . . cannot fathom what John is trying to say with his comment."

Then I doubt you'll appreciate any further explanation of his sarcasm.

2. "[Is it] somehow a slap at liberalism or perhaps radical left movements 
of the 60's and 70's?"

Let's hope so.

3. "Why, because some people want to decriminalize  marijuana?"

Excellent reason.

4. "And what does that have to do with a DUI in 2007?"

Hypocrisy maybe?

Consider your feathers ruffled. 

From yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu  Mon Jan 22 15:27:10 2007
From: yevb0 at alumni.northwestern.edu (Evan Bradley)
Date: Mon Jan 22 15:27:12 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <012220071945.23114.45B51448000A168800005A4A2216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
References: <012220071945.23114.45B51448000A168800005A4A2216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <914d6aa90701221327u245eb5a2t180cd250c522a8c4@mail.gmail.com>

And MY point was that you're making a false generalization there.
IANAL, but my understanding of the rationale for DUI laws is thatthough you may be free to consume alcohol in your home or in alicensed establishment of your choosing, you do not have the right toendanger the lives of others by operating a motor vehicle under itsinfluence (though, so far as I know, you still have the right tovote); I'm guessing here, but I think the vast majority of you wouldagree that this arrangement makes sense.
It seems to me to be both illogical and ignorant to assume that allthose who use marijuana or advocate its decriminalization (the meritsof which aren't germane to this discussion) would tolerate drivingunder the influence of alcohol, marijuana, or any other impairingsubstance (BUCTAOE*), just as it would be illogical of me to assumethat you DUI (or tolerate others doing so) because you enjoy beer.
What is illegal is not necessarily immoral, and vice versa, as thoselawyers in the crowd can probably attest.
I am also not from NY, for the record.
* http://www.boctaoe.com/
On 1/22/07, johnadeg@comcast.net <johnadeg@comcast.net> wrote:> MY point related to the comment that faculty members were past (and maybe?) current users of illegal drugs so shouldn't be criticaal of a DUI charge.  Also, It's always fun to stir up NY liberals, not that it is much of a challenge.

-- Evan Bradley(202) 687-7837http://maxlab.neuro.ge?orgetown.edu

From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Jan 22 16:17:07 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Jan 22 16:20:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <001801c73e4e$b99a5920$6401a8c0@DAVIDXP>
References: <20070122.055217.713.1629579@webmail13.nyc.untd.com>
	<001801c73e4e$b99a5920$6401a8c0@DAVIDXP>
Message-ID: <13f501c73e73$0e0888f0$85492745@hilgraeve.com>

Getting drunk is a personal choice and legal as long as you are old enough.

Driving while under the influence of any substance that impairs your ability
to operate a car is crime which demonstrates very poor judgment on his part
and those that allowed him to get into his car.  This guy put himself, his
family, and the other innocent drivers on the road at the time at great
risk.  A car in the hands of an impaired driver is a lethal weapon.  He was
just lucky that nothing more serious than a DUI conviction occurred.  

It's that poor judgment as well as the very bad example that it sets for the
athletes for whom he is supposed to be a role model that calls for some
action on the part of his superiors.

I suspect that Northwestern already has a policy in place.  McGee probably
had to agree to it in order to work for Northwestern, and he will deal with
whatever consequences are stated in the policy.  I support whatever that
policy recommends, but I doubt it includes termination for the first
offense.

I suspect that he has already received an earful from those who care about
him (including Fitz).  Whatever Fitz chooses to do beyond what the NU policy
recommends, I also support.

The consequences should be scary because the risk he took was scary.

Jeff






-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:57 PM
To: mlinhardt@netzero.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?

In a time where we have faculty and alumni actively campaigning for the
legalization of Marijuana, and other drugs, and who have probably operated a
motor vehicle under the influence of said drugs, I cannot imagine firing
anyone over this alleged event.

If we applied the alcohol free logic to the football staff, we would have no
assistant coaches, and very little alumni attendance at the NGN Auction.

I'm sure McGee won't be driving after a night of partying again any time
soon, but to remove a coach who was on vacation, consuming a legal substance
seems pretty unfair. At least to me...

Unless you're just looking for a reason to get rid of him....

rsl
  

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Computer Applications & Support Associates and Publisher of Purple Reign,
The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All =========== "You have a Republic Madam --
     If you can keep it" - Benjamin Franklin
============================================

> Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
> 
> 
> Do you fire McGee for his DUI or not?
> 
> 

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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Jan 22 16:20:01 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Jan 22 16:23:18 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <012220071853.6512.45B5080C00088AFA000019702216549976090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
References: <012220071853.6512.45B5080C00088AFA000019702216549976090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <13f601c73e73$753b4c10$85492745@hilgraeve.com>

John,

Were you serious, or was this some sort of tongue-in-cheek smoke-induced
response?  If the latter, it's pretty funny.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of johnadeg@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:53 PM
To: rstetson@capps-assoc.com; mlinhardt@netzero.net; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?

Roy:

You've got that right!  If he had been a  member of the Black Panthers or
the Weathermen, he could be guarnteed a free pass.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Roy Lamberton" <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>
> In a time where we have faculty and alumni actively campaigning for 
> the legalization of Marijuana, and other drugs, and who have probably 
> operated a motor vehicle under the influence of said drugs, I cannot 
> imagine firing anyone over this alleged event.
> 
> If we applied the alcohol free logic to the football staff, we would 
> have no assistant coaches, and very little alumni attendance at the NGN
Auction.
> 
> I'm sure McGee won't be driving after a night of partying again any 
> time soon, but to remove a coach who was on vacation, consuming a 
> legal substance seems pretty unfair. At least to me...
> 
> Unless you're just looking for a reason to get rid of him....
> 
> rsl
>   
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
> Computer Applications & Support Associates and Publisher of Purple 
> Reign, The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
> (http://www.purplewildcats.com)
> AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
> ======== Go Cats -  Beat 'em All =========== "You have a Republic 
> Madam --
>      If you can keep it" - Benjamin Franklin 
> ============================================
> 
> > Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
> > 
> > 
> > Do you fire McGee for his DUI or not?
> > 
> > 
> 
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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Mon Jan 22 16:24:27 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Mon Jan 22 16:27:44 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <000301c73e60$b12c1ff0$7001a8c0@Latitude>
References: <d4f.76e44e.32e66708@aol.com>
	<000301c73e60$b12c1ff0$7001a8c0@Latitude>
Message-ID: <13f701c73e74$13df05a0$85492745@hilgraeve.com>

 
I Gary's case it was a drunken incident in a restaurant.  But I think that
this was after at least one DUI.  Clearly he had a drinking problem.

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Peter C. Warner
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 3:06 PM
To: NEONRye@aol.com; johnadeg@comcast.net; rstetson@capps-assoc.com;
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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?

Didn't Gary Moeller resign at Michigan after a similar incident?



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From artmiller1 at hotmail.com  Mon Jan 22 17:43:20 2007
From: artmiller1 at hotmail.com (Arthur Miller)
Date: Mon Jan 22 17:43:22 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
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I didn't realize that Bernardine Dohrn was a daughter-in-law of a Trustee?!?
Which Trustee?

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of John Labbe
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:41 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?

I had assumed that John's comment was directed to a certain member of the NU
law faculty who was a former leader in the Weatherman organization.  But
that particular situation has more to do with the benefits of being the
daughter-in-law of a member of the board of trustees than anything else.  So
I thought it was irrelevant.  Also irrelevant would be anybody else's views
regarding the legalization of marijuana.




From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan 22 18:38:04 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan 22 18:37:31 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
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Message-ID: <002701c73e86$be97aee0$6401a8c0@DAVIDXP>

See below
> 
> Regarding the actual issue at hand, I agree with Roy that 
> McGee should not be fired.  However, I disagree with Roy's 
> reasoning.  I don't think it's OK for a football coach on 
> "vacation" to drive while intoxicated.

Getting a DUI is usally a result of absolute stupidity on the part of the
driver, I know, I've done it a couple of times and its cost me a lot of money
and inconvenience. Thank God I didn't kill or injure anyone or anything other
than my own pride. When I go drinking outside my own basement, I let my wife
drive, or take the train...

> I won't harp on it, but I think we all probably know 
> of lives that have needlessly been lost to drunk driving.

In truth we have lost more people in the senseless inner city drug wars than we
have in DWI induced accidents but nobody looks at pictures of dead inner city
victims like they look at pictures of car crashes so our media doesn't choose to
publicize this fact.

I'm pretty sure Garrick McGee will be very very careful around booze for a long
time.

rsl



From wseliger at aol.com  Mon Jan 22 21:03:09 2007
From: wseliger at aol.com (wseliger@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 22 21:03:21 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <002701c73e86$be97aee0$6401a8c0@DAVIDXP>
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 I would love to see some statistics to back up this 'truth'. 
 
I don't intend to make light of this as these are both very serious problems for our society, but I was able to find the following statistics:
 
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/factsheets/drving.htm
(2005) - 16,885 people died in alcohol-related motor vehicle crashes (although that might include people who are drunk and try walking across the highway, not necessarily a drunk vehicle operator)
 
http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/291/10/1238
(200) - 17,000 deaths related to illicit drugs, but this study doesn't split out the inner-city users dying in the senseless drug war and the suburban kids OD'ing on coke in their parents basement.  
 
- Bill
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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?


In truth we have lost more people in the senseless inner city drug wars than we
have in DWI induced accidents but nobody looks at pictures of dead inner city
victims like they look at pictures of car crashes so our media doesn't choose to
publicize this fact.


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From wseliger at aol.com  Mon Jan 22 21:28:00 2007
From: wseliger at aol.com (wseliger@aol.com)
Date: Mon Jan 22 21:31:58 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU - tOSU Basketball Tickets
Message-ID: <8C90CB59DE72C31-2D8-394A@WEBMAIL-RA15.sysops.aol.com>

I have two tickets for Wednesday night's NU-tOSU basketball game.  If you are interested please contact me off-list.  
 
Thanks,
 
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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Mon Jan 22 22:37:26 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Jan 22 22:37:28 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
Message-ID: <012320070437.26445.45B59106000A96200000674D2215567074090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Moeller got boounced for a lot more than a DUI.  If I recall there was a bar room brawl involved too.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Peter C. Warner" <pcw@warnerpatents.com>
> Didn't Gary Moeller resign at Michigan after a similar incident?
> 
> 
> 

From johnadeg at comcast.net  Mon Jan 22 22:42:22 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Jan 22 22:42:25 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
Message-ID: <012320070442.7972.45B5922E000D7AB700001F242215567074090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

I doubt that anyone on this list can't thank Providence that they didn't get picked up on a DUI charge sometime in their lives.  If getting picked up on a DUI charge is a reoccuring happening, that is another matter.
John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: John Labbe <johnl@mac.com>
> I had assumed that John's comment was directed to a certain member of the NU law 
> faculty who was a former leader in the Weatherman organization.  But that 
> particular situation has more to do with the benefits of being the 
> daughter-in-law of a member of the board of trustees than anything else.  So I 
> thought it was irrelevant.  Also irrelevant would be anybody else's views 
> regarding the legalization of marijuana.
> 
> Regarding the actual issue at hand, I agree with Roy that McGee should not be 
> fired.  However, I disagree with Roy's reasoning.  I don't think it's OK for a 
> football coach on "vacation" to drive while intoxicated.  I don't think he 
> should lose his job over it, but it's nevertheless a serious issue.  I won't 
> harp on it, but I think we all probably know of lives that have needlessly been 
> lost to drunk driving.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, January 22, 2007, at 02:07PM, <johnadeg@comcast.net> wrote:
> >MY point related to the comment that faculty members were past (and maybe?) 
> current users of illegal drugs so shouldn't be criticaal of a DUI charge.  Also, 
> It's always fun to stir up NY liberals, not that it is much of a challenge.
> >By the way for a contrast standards of conduct between at least NU  if not most 
> of college sports, how about the Detroit Lions assitant coach who was picked up 
> for trying to make a purchase at the drive in window of  a fast food restaraunt 
> while wearing no clothes and drunk as a skunk. and is still on the LIons 
> coaching staff!  Maybe that is why college sports are a lot more fun to watch 
> than the pros
> >
> >
> >John DeGroat
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> >From: NEONRye@aol.com
> >> I agree with Roy's comment, but cannot fathom what John is trying to say  
> >> with his comment.    If it is somehow a slap at liberalism or  perhaps 
> radical 
> >> left movements of the 60's and 70's, what does that have to  do with a DUI in 
> >> 2007?  Why, because some people want to decriminalize  marijuana--and what 
> does 
> >> that have to do with a DUII in 2007, when the DAILY  article says the 
> >> "influence" was alcohol (not any type of  drugs)?    
> >>  
> >> I hope that Coach McGee is able to work things out (as a presumably  
> >> first-time offender, he should be able to get a plea with the condition that 
> he  
> >> go 
> >> into a "program" or "school" (where you learn not to drink and drive) set by  
> >> the Court).  And then deal honestly and affirmatively with the young men  
> under 
> >> his charge.  I am confident that unless he "blew" a very high  percentage of 
> >> alcohol in his system, that the University (and Coach Fitz)  can--and 
> >> should--give him a second chance--but with strict conditions that if he  
> slips 
> >> again, 
> >> that's it.  I say that as a former prosecutor who now handles  some criminal 
> >> defense as part of my legal practice, including an occasional  "DWI" or "DUI" 
> >> case in NY.  
> >>  
> >> Paul Levinson
> >
> >
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From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Mon Jan 22 22:45:35 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Mon Jan 22 22:45:35 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <8C90CB2255B28AB-2D8-3813@WEBMAIL-RA15.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8C90CB2255B28AB-2D8-3813@WEBMAIL-RA15.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <45B592EF.5030107@insightbb.com>

I'm not getting into what John meant or didn't mean, nor do I 
particularly care how many more people may die in drunk driving 
incidents or from drug related murders in the inner cities of our 
country.  I do however care about the message that our coaching staff is 
delivering to our football players about personal responsibility and 
making the correct choices, something about which they preach time and 
time again.  Is that message not diluted considerably by the retention 
of someone, without at least some serious repercussions beyond those 
applied by the legal system?  I am also concerned about the image 
projected in the living rooms of recruits across the country as our 
coaches sit down and try to sell this program as the peerless academic 
and football  program we know it to be, but which is diminished and 
subjected to negative recruiting due to the actions of a member of the 
coaching staff.  Folks, it's tough enough out there for Fitz due to his 
age and our standards without having to deal with this.

I have seen the impact that a DUI conviction can have on an assistant 
coach's career, and it's not pretty.  It can become a negative factor in 
advancement and it at least one case, cost one basketball assistant I 
know, a head coaching job.  Fair?, probably not, but that is reality in 
college sports and reality is what we should be dealing in.  Should 
McGee be fired?  Probably not, but he should be disciplined in a way 
that is at least public to the football team so they will understand 
that Fitz and the coaches are sincere when they talk about personal 
responsibility and self - discipline.

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From johnadeg at comcast.net  Mon Jan 22 22:50:25 2007
From: johnadeg at comcast.net (johnadeg@comcast.net)
Date: Mon Jan 22 22:50:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
Message-ID: <012320070450.27142.45B594110003481400006A062215567074090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>

Can't argue with what Mark  except that he should care about drunk drivers.  One mightkill someonein his family.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Mark Ament <prplehaze@insightbb.com>
> I'm not getting into what John meant or didn't mean, nor do I 
> particularly care how many more people may die in drunk driving 
> incidents or from drug related murders in the inner cities of our 
> country.  I do however care about the message that our coaching staff is 
> delivering to our football players about personal responsibility and 
> making the correct choices, something about which they preach time and 
> time again.  Is that message not diluted considerably by the retention 
> of someone, without at least some serious repercussions beyond those 
> applied by the legal system?  I am also concerned about the image 
> projected in the living rooms of recruits across the country as our 
> coaches sit down and try to sell this program as the peerless academic 
> and football  program we know it to be, but which is diminished and 
> subjected to negative recruiting due to the actions of a member of the 
> coaching staff.  Folks, it's tough enough out there for Fitz due to his 
> age and our standards without having to deal with this.
> 
> I have seen the impact that a DUI conviction can have on an assistant 
> coach's career, and it's not pretty.  It can become a negative factor in 
> advancement and it at least one case, cost one basketball assistant I 
> know, a head coaching job.  Fair?, probably not, but that is reality in 
> college sports and reality is what we should be dealing in.  Should 
> McGee be fired?  Probably not, but he should be disciplined in a way 
> that is at least public to the football team so they will understand 
> that Fitz and the coaches are sincere when they talk about personal 
> responsibility and self - discipline.
> 
> Mark
> 
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan 23 03:06:25 2007
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 23 03:06:40 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
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With binge drinking a problem at colleges nationally, and with driving under the influence being a centerpiece of public service announcements nationwide, I would anticipate that Northwestern would go very tough on this...
 
April 1995 - Gary Moeller resigns as Michigan football coach after a disorderly conduct arrest at a restaurant
 
January 2001 - Kevin Willard, Louisville basketball assistant gets a DUI - later, his offer to coach at Delaware is withdrawn over the DUI.
 
May 2003 - Larry Eustachy resigned as Iowa State coach after drunken pictures are released (no DUI)
 
May 2003 - Mike Price fired as Alabama coach after topless bar revelations (no DUI)
 
June 2004 - Bob Huggins fired by Cincinnati after a DUI
 
November 2005 - Frank Solich (Ohio U) DUI - no firing/resignation
 
November 2005 - Jim Harbaugh (University of San Diego) DUI - no firing/resignation
 
February 2006 - Eddie Sutton (Oklahoma St) DUI - resigns for 'medical reasons'
 
January 2007 - George Welsh (ex-Virginia football) DUI
 
It's a serious problem in society, and it would appear to be a serious problem in the NCAA coaching ranks.  Has anyone heard of the NCAA looking into it more deeply ?
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
 
 
 
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To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?


I had assumed that John's comment was directed to a certain member of the NU law 
faculty who was a former leader in the Weatherman organization.  But that 
particular situation has more to do with the benefits of being the 
daughter-in-law of a member of the board of trustees than anything else.  So I 
thought it was irrelevant.  Also irrelevant would be anybody else's views 
regarding the legalization of marijuana.

Regarding the actual issue at hand, I agree with Roy that McGee should not be 
fired.  However, I disagree with Roy's reasoning.  I don't think it's OK for a 
football coach on "vacation" to drive while intoxicated.  I don't think he 
should lose his job over it, but it's nevertheless a serious issue.  I won't 
harp on it, but I think we all probably know of lives that have needlessly been 
lost to drunk driving.

John



On Monday, January 22, 2007, at 02:07PM, <johnadeg@comcast.net> wrote:
>MY point related to the comment that faculty members were past (and maybe?) 
current users of illegal drugs so shouldn't be criticaal of a DUI charge.  Also, 
It's always fun to stir up NY liberals, not that it is much of a challenge.
>By the way for a contrast standards of conduct between at least NU  if not most 
of college sports, how about the Detroit Lions assitant coach who was picked up 
for trying to make a purchase at the drive in window of  a fast food restaraunt 
while wearing no clothes and drunk as a skunk. and is still on the LIons 
coaching staff!  Maybe that is why college sports are a lot more fun to watch 
than the pros
>
>
>John DeGroat
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: NEONRye@aol.com
>> I agree with Roy's comment, but cannot fathom what John is trying to say  
>> with his comment.    If it is somehow a slap at liberalism or  perhaps 
radical 
>> left movements of the 60's and 70's, what does that have to  do with a DUI in 

>> 2007?  Why, because some people want to decriminalize  marijuana--and what 
does 
>> that have to do with a DUII in 2007, when the DAILY  article says the 
>> "influence" was alcohol (not any type of  drugs)?    
>>  
>> I hope that Coach McGee is able to work things out (as a presumably  
>> first-time offender, he should be able to get a plea with the condition that 
he  
>> go 
>> into a "program" or "school" (where you learn not to drink and drive) set by  

>> the Court).  And then deal honestly and affirmatively with the young men  
under 
>> his charge.  I am confident that unless he "blew" a very high  percentage of 
>> alcohol in his system, that the University (and Coach Fitz)  can--and 
>> should--give him a second chance--but with strict conditions that if he  
slips 
>> again, 
>> that's it.  I say that as a former prosecutor who now handles  some criminal 
>> defense as part of my legal practice, including an occasional  "DWI" or "DUI" 

>> case in NY.  
>>  
>> Paul Levinson
>
>
>
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan 23 03:21:04 2007
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 23 03:21:07 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
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I should have backed-up my first 2 points a little better...
 
The 1999 Harvard Scool of Public Health study tagged binge drinking as the #1 problem on college campuses - fully 44% of students were engaging in binge drinking.
 
The 2005 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's fatality analysis reporting system data showed an increase in alcohol-related deaths, from 16,694 in 2004 to 16,972 in 2005.
 
A school like Northwestern has to take a leadership position in addressing issues like this.
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85
 
 
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Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?


1. "I. . . cannot fathom what John is trying to say with his comment." 
 
Then I doubt you'll appreciate any further explanation of his sarcasm. 
 
2. "[Is it] somehow a slap at liberalism or perhaps radical left movements of the 60's and 70's?" 
 
Let's hope so. 
 
3. "Why, because some people want to decriminalize marijuana?" 
 
Excellent reason. 
 
4. "And what does that have to do with a DUI in 2007?" 
 
Hypocrisy maybe? 
 
Consider your feathers ruffled.  
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From cherron604 at aol.com  Tue Jan 23 03:33:07 2007
From: cherron604 at aol.com (cherron604@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 23 03:33:13 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <45B592EF.5030107@insightbb.com>
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	<45B592EF.5030107@insightbb.com>
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I am not sure what the signed codes are at NU, but I know that at a number of Chicago suburban high schools, athletes sign pledges that they won't engage in certain kinds of conduct, and those that violate these pledges (i.e. not necessarily arrested for an alcohol-related offense, but perhaps pictured on Myspace.com engaging in alcohol use, etc.) are frequently kicked-off of their teams - several South suburban high school were impacted by these suspensions this past season.
 
If the high schools are encouraging zero-tolerance, can we expect less from the most prestigious universities in the country ?
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
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To: wseliger@aol.com
Cc: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Sent: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?


I'm not getting into what John meant or didn't mean, nor do I particularly care how many more people may die in drunk driving incidents or from drug related murders in the inner cities of our country. I do however care about the message that our coaching staff is delivering to our football players about personal responsibility and making the correct choices, something about which they preach time and time again. Is that message not diluted considerably by the retention of someone, without at least some serious repercussions beyond those applied by the legal system? I am also concerned about the image projected in the living rooms of recruits across the country as our coaches sit down and try to sell this program as the peerless academic and football program we know it to be, but which is diminished and subjected to negative recruiting due to the actions of a member of the coaching staff. Folks, it's tough enough out there for Fitz due to his age and our standards without having to deal with this. 
 
I have seen the impact that a DUI conviction can have on an assistant coach's career, and it's not pretty. It can become a negative factor in advancement and it at least one case, cost one basketball assistant I know, a head coaching job. Fair?, probably not, but that is reality in college sports and reality is what we should be dealing in. Should McGee be fired? Probably not, but he should be disciplined in a way that is at least public to the football team so they will understand that Fitz and the coaches are sincere when they talk about personal responsibility and self - discipline. 
 
Mark 
 
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From kmaresco at covlife.org  Tue Jan 23 06:24:20 2007
From: kmaresco at covlife.org (Kenneth Maresco)
Date: Tue Jan 23 06:24:56 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee
Message-ID: <C1DB68A4.15729%kmaresco@covlife.org>

It would seem to me that we are trying Mr. McGee without the benefit of the
facts, by comparing his situation to these other individuals who had chronic
problems. Does anyone have the facts of what actually took place?

And I don't think it is fair to go back to his playing days and resurrect
his trouble with the law. These things, as far as I am concerned, unless
there is some direct relationship, should not be brought together.

It would be significantly different to me if he had two or three beers with
dinner and then drove through a check point and was slightly over the line
versus being stone-cold drunk and getting pulled over by a police man who
noticed his erratic driving (does anyone know what happened?).

Which was it? I have no idea. But regardless, he is a member of our family,
who may have some personal issues that need to be dealt with. He deserves a
degree of privacy as they work through the facts, and then at that point,
when they become public we can evaluate the course of action taken by the
University. I believe NU will handle it wisely and appropriately until I see
evidence otherwise. And I for one am glad, that I don't work for some of the
guys who are in a rush to fire McGee!

I certainly do believe in accountability for actions, AND I take drunk
driving seriously, but I also would appeal for due process and respect for a
member of our staff.
-- 
KM 


From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Tue Jan 23 06:36:55 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Tue Jan 23 06:38:48 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
Message-ID: <20070123.043719.23275.1733076@webmail44.nyc.untd.com>

Coaching is an extremely stressful job and because they are public 
persons there are very few places they can "blow off steam".  Drinking 
is something you can do in private and if it comes out you are not 
crucified.  Now DUI/DWI turns something that is legal/recreational 
into something that is against the law.

I don't think the NCAA needs to investigate this as it is a minor 
problem compared to student-athlete/administration academic fraud IMHO.

-- cherron604@aol.com wrote:
With binge drinking a problem at colleges nationally, and with driving 
under the influence being a centerpiece of public service 
announcements nationwide, I would anticipate that Northwestern would 
go very tough on this...
 
April 1995 - Gary Moeller resigns as Michigan football coach after a 
disorderly conduct arrest at a restaurant
 
January 2001 - Kevin Willard, Louisville basketball assistant gets a 
DUI - later, his offer to coach at Delaware is withdrawn over the DUI.
 
May 2003 - Larry Eustachy resigned as Iowa State coach after drunken 
pictures are released (no DUI)
 
May 2003 - Mike Price fired as Alabama coach after topless bar 
revelations (no DUI)
 
June 2004 - Bob Huggins fired by Cincinnati after a DUI
 
November 2005 - Frank Solich (Ohio U) DUI - no firing/resignation
 
November 2005 - Jim Harbaugh (University of San Diego) DUI - no 
firing/resignation
 
February 2006 - Eddie Sutton (Oklahoma St) DUI - resigns for 'medical 
reasons'
 
January 2007 - George Welsh (ex-Virginia football) DUI
 
It's a serious problem in society, and it would appear to be a serious 
problem in the NCAA coaching ranks.  Has anyone heard of the NCAA 
looking into it more deeply ?
 
Chuck Herron   Tech '85




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From hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 23 06:46:45 2007
From: hakirsch at aol.com (=?UTF-8?B?aGFycnk=?=)
Date: Tue Jan 23 06:47:18 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not
In-Reply-To: <012320070437.26445.45B59106000A96200000674D2215567074090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
References: <012320070437.26445.45B59106000A96200000674D2215567074090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
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Yes we all probably once in our live could. have had a DUI but most 
of us do not hav.                  
ve a job where part of the responibilties are setting examples for 18 to 23 year olds.  This folks is almost assuredly part of hi contract. (I suspect most of us don't even have an emplyment contract,just company policies).  I come out with many here that perhap he hould not be fired but some serious action hould be taken. If he were a player and of legal age ,certainly he would get a supension of some lenghth. The fact that he Is a coach merits a. Harher reponse

Harry
Sent wirelessly via BlackBerry from T-Mobile.  

-----Original Message-----
From: johnadeg@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 04:37:26 
To:"Peter C. Warner" <pcw@warnerpatents.com>, <NEONRye@aol.com>,       <rstetson@capps-assoc.com>, <mlinhardt@netzero.net>,       <nwu-sports@tssi.com>
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Subject: RE: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?

Moeller got boounced for a lot more than a DUI.  If I recall there was a bar room brawl involved too.

John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Peter C. Warner" <pcw@warnerpatents.com>
> Didn't Gary Moeller resign at Michigan after a similar incident?
> 
> 
> 

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From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Jan 23 10:10:41 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 23 10:13:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not
Message-ID: <c67.af5bc80.32e78d81@aol.com>

While I agree with the sentiments expressed by Harry (and others), I would  
much prefer that the University and Fitz try to turn a "negative" into a  
positive.  In the event that McGee is ultimately convicted or pleads  guilty--and 
let's not forget, my friends on the list, that our criminal justice  system is 
founded on the presumption of innocence (We have not yet heard Coach  McGee's 
side of the story.)--I would hope that his sentence would include  Community 
Service whereby he goes to high schools and perhaps around NU and  speaks to 
the youth about his "mistake" and the need to avoid ever getting  behind the 
wheel while "under the influence".  I would also suggest that  President Bienen, 
AD Murphy and Coach Fitz convene a meeting of the team in  which McGee would 
give a strong mea culpa and thereby illustrate to the team  (and parents and 
fellow Coaches) his remorse and determination not to ever let  this happen again.
 
I am thinking of a case I handled in the past, which got some publicity in  
the NY area, in which I represented Savion Glover, the brilliant tap dancer and 
 choreographer, who had gotten busted at a "checkpoint" outside the Holland  
Tunnel in Manhattan for possession of marijuana.  Ultimately, I was able to  
negotiate a plea bargain for Savion in which he agreed to do 100 hours of  
Community Service, lecturing at schools and other organizations in the NY area  
about the "evils" of drugs, etc.   Savion happens to be wonderful with  kids, so 
I think the deal was a "win-win" for him and for the People of the  State of 
New York.  Why not a similar type of conclusion to the McGee  Saga?
 
Paul Levinson
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Tue Jan 23 12:43:54 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Tue Jan 23 12:46:38 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/23
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http://www.thelantern.com/news/2007/01/23/Sports/Buckeye.Notebook.Oden.Hairy.No.
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     Then its the "Bottom Feeding" Minnesota Golden Gophers again

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From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Jan 23 14:00:16 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Jan 23 14:03:41 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not
In-Reply-To: <c67.af5bc80.32e78d81@aol.com>
References: <c67.af5bc80.32e78d81@aol.com>
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Doesn't take much investigation to throw a few more facts at this incident.

According to the news stories that you can easily find on Google, he was
arrested for speeding (55 in a 35) on December 24th in Tulsa.  Though none
of the stories that I've read give any more detail, I think that it is fair
to assume that it was the traffic stop which then caused the DUI test.  That
means that the officer had probable cause (either smelled something or
noticed something in McGee's behavior) that suggested intoxication (since
there wasn't any mention of open containers).  It is also possible that as
an African American, he might have been in the wrong part of Tulsa.

In any case, the fact so far pretty much eliminates the "blew just over the
limit in a random screen" sort of excuse.

At some point it is likely that we will know the real numbers, but clearly
we have two facts in hand.  He was speeding.  Something about him suggested
to the traffic cop that he was under the influence. 

Don't know where he was driving, but 35 mile per hour speed limits are
typically in populated two lane roads.  

As others have mentioned, he is fortunate that the officer got him off the
road before something terrible happened.  Regardless of his personal
circumstances or the pressures of his job, he makes more than enough money
to call a cab or arrange for a designated driver.  It is unlikely that he
was forced to drink against his will.  This is the consequence of choices
that he made.  As a result, he is also guilty of very poor judgement. 

Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of NEONRye@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 11:11 AM
To: Hakirsch@aol.com; johnadeg@comcast.net; nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com;
pcw@warnerpatents.com; rstetson@capps-assoc.com; mlinhardt@netzero.net;
nwu-sports@tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not

While I agree with the sentiments expressed by Harry (and others), I would
much prefer that the University and Fitz try to turn a "negative" into a
positive.  In the event that McGee is ultimately convicted or pleads
guilty--and let's not forget, my friends on the list, that our criminal
justice  system is founded on the presumption of innocence (We have not yet
heard Coach  McGee's side of the story.)--I would hope that his sentence
would include  Community Service whereby he goes to high schools and perhaps
around NU and  speaks to the youth about his "mistake" and the need to avoid
ever getting  behind the wheel while "under the influence".  I would also
suggest that  President Bienen, AD Murphy and Coach Fitz convene a meeting
of the team in  which McGee would give a strong mea culpa and thereby
illustrate to the team  (and parents and fellow Coaches) his remorse and
determination not to ever let  this happen again.
 
I am thinking of a case I handled in the past, which got some publicity in
the NY area, in which I represented Savion Glover, the brilliant tap dancer
and  choreographer, who had gotten busted at a "checkpoint" outside the
Holland Tunnel in Manhattan for possession of marijuana.  Ultimately, I was
able to negotiate a plea bargain for Savion in which he agreed to do 100
hours of Community Service, lecturing at schools and other organizations in
the NY area  
about the "evils" of drugs, etc.   Savion happens to be wonderful with
kids, so 
I think the deal was a "win-win" for him and for the People of the  State of
New York.  Why not a similar type of conclusion to the McGee  Saga?
 
Paul Levinson
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From tbng at comcast.net  Tue Jan 23 17:11:49 2007
From: tbng at comcast.net (Dennis W. Brandt)
Date: Tue Jan 23 17:12:30 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not
References: <c67.af5bc80.32e78d81@aol.com>
	<181d01c73f29$19cd4340$85492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <000501c73f43$f0e13c00$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>

> It is also possible that as an African American, he might have been in the 
> wrong part of Tulsa.

I was wondering how long it would take for the race card to get slapped onto 
the table.  The man was going twenty miles per hour over the speed limit, so 
it is hardly surprising that the cop pulls him over.  McGee rolls down the 
window and before those immortal words "May I see your license and 
registration please?" are uttered the cop's olfactory nerves sense the 
unmistakable odor of liquor breath.  "Out of the car, sir.  Breathe into 
this."  Seems pretty simple to me.  There but for the grace of God go you 
and I. 

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Tue Jan 23 18:26:28 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 23 18:26:39 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not
Message-ID: <c4c.c8ed094.32e801b4@aol.com>

In a message dated 1/23/2007 4:21:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
tbng@comcast.net writes:

> It is also possible that as an African American, he might have been in the 
> >wrong part of Tulsa.
> 
> I was wondering how long it would take for the race card to get slapped onto 
> 
> the table.  The man was going twenty miles per hour over the speed limit, so 
> 
> it is hardly surprising that the cop pulls him over.  McGee rolls down the 
> window and before those immortal words "May I see your license and 
> registration please?" are uttered the cop's olfactory nerves sense the 
> unmistakable odor of liquor breath.  "Out of the car, sir.  Breathe into 
> this."  Seems pretty simple to me.  There but for the grace of God go you 
> and I. 
> 
> 

The previous e-mail you are referring to did not say that race was the 
reason, only suggesting that it could have been--I certainly do not know the 
details--and as Paul said we don't even know if the 20 mph over the limit was 
accurate or just a charge from the cop--We do know that a number of studies indicate 
that African-Americans do get randomly  stopped on the road 
disproportionately--I suspect that in this instance it wasn't the case--it is likely as you 
described--on the other hand, I wouldn't bet my life on that

Harry
From NEONRye at aol.com  Tue Jan 23 18:41:56 2007
From: NEONRye at aol.com (NEONRye@aol.com)
Date: Tue Jan 23 18:42:06 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not
Message-ID: <c3e.deda5d5.32e80554@aol.com>

Why don't all of us (including Yours Truly with my "Community Service"  plug) 
slow down and wait for the facts to come out--from all parties  involved--the 
police officer(s) and Coach McGee.  We all know that  everything we read in 
the papers and online is always true and correct, don't  we, just like we know 
that everything told to us by those in power in Washington  (both parties, I'm 
not playing favorites here) is also always true and  correct.  C'mon guys and 
gals, let's not rush to judgment.  If he IS  proven guilty or admits his 
guilt, then his punishment should be commensurate  with his offense (and I don't 
condone drinking and driving in any way, shape or  form).  But until that 
happens, why are we deciding that (a) he is  culpable, (b) the officer must have 
smelled alcohol when the window rolled down,  etc.?  Can we please let the 
system work, even if the wheels of justice  grind a little more slowly than the 
speculation on this list.   
 
Let's not forget NU's Latin motto on its seal:  Quaecumque sunt  vera -- 
"Whatsoever things are true" from Philippians 4:8. 
 
Let the "truth" come out here before we decide to "fire" Coach McGee or  
roast him in our communications.  To do anything less would be to dishonor  our 
Purple heritage.
 
Paul Levinson
From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Tue Jan 23 18:50:25 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Tue Jan 23 18:53:46 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not
In-Reply-To: <000501c73f43$f0e13c00$c402a8c0@DennisMachine>
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Dennis,

I agree that what you described is most likely what happened and that's what
I said in the part of my post that you chose not to quote.

But you've been living under a rock if you think racial profiling isn't
alive and well on the streets of many cities north and south.

Here's a link to one the happened recently just south of us in Toledo, OH
that hot bed of racial tension.  Ottawa Hills is a very wealthy suburb of
Toledo with a reputation of racial intolerance.  You see from the article
that the cop made a routine traffic stop.  He issued a ticket and then with
no pretense other than color, forced the driver to go through a field
sobriety test.  It went downhill from there and is going to end up costing
the city $9M.  It cost the police officer his job and may not end there, but
clearly Ottawa Hills is not a good place to be DWB (driving while black).

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061123/NEWS03/611230
473

Want to talk some more about the "race card"?

Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Dennis W. Brandt
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 6:12 PM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not

> It is also possible that as an African American, he might have been in 
> the wrong part of Tulsa.

I was wondering how long it would take for the race card to get slapped onto
the table.  The man was going twenty miles per hour over the speed limit, so
it is hardly surprising that the cop pulls him over.  McGee rolls down the
window and before those immortal words "May I see your license and
registration please?" are uttered the cop's olfactory nerves sense the
unmistakable odor of liquor breath.  "Out of the car, sir.  Breathe into
this."  Seems pretty simple to me.  There but for the grace of God go you
and I. 

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From michael.vance at att.net  Tue Jan 23 23:16:42 2007
From: michael.vance at att.net (Michael Vance)
Date: Tue Jan 23 23:16:47 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <F2B85F4B-0110-1000-90D9-555DCF761CFC-Webmail-10021@mac.com>
References: <012220071945.23114.45B51448000A168800005A4A2216557996090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
	<F2B85F4B-0110-1000-90D9-555DCF761CFC-Webmail-10021@mac.com>
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John Labbe wrote:
> Regarding the actual issue at hand, I agree with Roy that McGee should not be fired.  However, I disagree with Roy's reasoning.  I don't think it's OK for a football coach on "vacation" to drive while intoxicated.  I don't think he should lose his job over it, but it's nevertheless a serious issue.

I think that the fact that he was on vacation is only relevant because I 
suspect that the consequences would be much more swift and severe if he 
had been on University business.  Getting a DUI any time is bad, and is 
possibly a career-limiting move; getting a DUI while on a recruiting 
trip would be a career-*ending* move.

-Michael

From prplehaze at insightbb.com  Wed Jan 24 00:32:51 2007
From: prplehaze at insightbb.com (Mark Ament)
Date: Wed Jan 24 00:32:53 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <012320070450.27142.45B594110003481400006A062215567074090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
References: <012320070450.27142.45B594110003481400006A062215567074090A0B0E02080106@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <45B6FD93.7090808@insightbb.com>

Well, you're right John.  I do care in a real sense just not for 
purposes of a discussion on this board.
Mark

johnadeg@comcast.net wrote:
> Can't argue with what Mark  except that he should care about drunk drivers.  One mightkill someonein his family.
>
> John DeGroat
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Mark Ament <prplehaze@insightbb.com>
>   
>> I'm not getting into what John meant or didn't mean, nor do I 
>> particularly care how many more people may die in drunk driving 
>> incidents or from drug related murders in the inner cities of our 
>> country.  I do however care about the message that our coaching staff is 
>> delivering to our football players about personal responsibility and 
>> making the correct choices, something about which they preach time and 
>> time again.  Is that message not diluted considerably by the retention 
>> of someone, without at least some serious repercussions beyond those 
>> applied by the legal system?  I am also concerned about the image 
>> projected in the living rooms of recruits across the country as our 
>> coaches sit down and try to sell this program as the peerless academic 
>> and football  program we know it to be, but which is diminished and 
>> subjected to negative recruiting due to the actions of a member of the 
>> coaching staff.  Folks, it's tough enough out there for Fitz due to his 
>> age and our standards without having to deal with this.
>>
>> I have seen the impact that a DUI conviction can have on an assistant 
>> coach's career, and it's not pretty.  It can become a negative factor in 
>> advancement and it at least one case, cost one basketball assistant I 
>> know, a head coaching job.  Fair?, probably not, but that is reality in 
>> college sports and reality is what we should be dealing in.  Should 
>> McGee be fired?  Probably not, but he should be disciplined in a way 
>> that is at least public to the football team so they will understand 
>> that Fitz and the coaches are sincere when they talk about personal 
>> responsibility and self - discipline.
>>
>> Mark
>>
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From mlinhardt at netzero.net  Wed Jan 24 09:18:02 2007
From: mlinhardt at netzero.net (mlinhardt@netzero.net)
Date: Wed Jan 24 09:20:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
Message-ID: <20070124.071817.803.543676@webmail52.nyc.untd.com>

Did anyone see the story about ND starting point guard being suspended 
from both the basketball team and the university for a misdemeanor 
marijuana possession?

McAlarney 'ashamed' about ND's actions
http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
Date=20070124&Category=NDSports03&ArtNo=701240357&SectionCat=SPORTS&Tem
plate=printart

I believe he should have been suspended from the basketball team for 
an appropriate number of games, but not suspended from the university 
also.  I knew people who smoked pot in the dorm rooms and I can't 
imagine they would be suspended for the quarter if they were caught.  
RAs did the "don't do it again" wink-wink routine.


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From jonathanwhodges at gmail.com  Wed Jan 24 09:50:22 2007
From: jonathanwhodges at gmail.com (Jonathan Hodges)
Date: Wed Jan 24 09:50:23 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <20070124.071817.803.543676@webmail52.nyc.untd.com>
References: <20070124.071817.803.543676@webmail52.nyc.untd.com>
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I heard on the news yesterday that he was kicked out of school.

Anyways, to chime in on the McGee situation - as was noted in an earlier
message, there have been many instances of coaches drinking or drinking &
driving recently in college sports.  And the trend is basically to sweep it
under the rug unless it was a major issue or if they have a long string of
issues - and in most cases it is completely ignored if the team on the field
is winning.

In any case I say let the justice system do it's job first, and if he is
convicted then the university should take whatever action is in his
contract, if such action is in there.  While his actions definitely are not
something to be emulated I don't see it as any reason to throw him out
especially given the transition that NU's program is still undergoing.  If
there are more issues down the road that is another story, but hopefully it
won't come to that.

Plus, NU has given players and coaches reasonable second chances before -
the instance I remember is Brandon Jones (I think that was his name) who was
in a fight, kicked off the team, then allowed back (only to get arrested for
another fight where he was kicked off permanently).  Unlike that situation,
hopefully McGee will learn from this (as he had previously worked his way
back from troubles with the law) and the team can move forward without
unnecessary interruption.

Joanthan

On 1/24/07, mlinhardt@netzero.net <mlinhardt@netzero.net> wrote:
>
> Did anyone see the story about ND starting point guard being suspended
> from both the basketball team and the university for a misdemeanor
> marijuana possession?
>
> McAlarney 'ashamed' about ND's actions
> http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
> Date=20070124&Category=NDSports03&ArtNo=701240357&SectionCat=SPORTS&Tem
> plate=printart
>
> I believe he should have been suspended from the basketball team for
> an appropriate number of games, but not suspended from the university
> also.  I knew people who smoked pot in the dorm rooms and I can't
> imagine they would be suspended for the quarter if they were caught.
> RAs did the "don't do it again" wink-wink routine.
>
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan 24 09:47:43 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jan 24 09:52:40 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/24
Message-ID: <002c01c73fce$feb38820$6401a8c0@DAVIDXP>

www.PurpleWildcats.com
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Bears in a Zone Edition
All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Original Index to online News about
Northwestern University Athletics

BASKETBALL
Men

     Wildcats Host No. 5 Ohio State Wednesday Night
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012307aab.html 
     + NU gets rematch with OSU
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/226550,CST-SPT-nu24.article 
     + NU Gets 2nd Chance
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/24/Sports/Nu.Gets.2nd.Chance.mens.
Basketball-2670833.shtml 
     + Wildcats' challenge vs. OSU ranks high
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=272961 

     Next up for the Court Cats:
     1/24 Ohio State Buckeyes  - 7:00 PM ESPN Plus Clearances
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/archive/010307aad.html 
     No. 5 Buckeyes Go For Sweep Over Northwestern
      http://www.bucknuts.com/news/story.php?article=471 
     + Tuesday Morning PG: Conley's The Choice
      http://www.bucknuts.com/news/story.php?article=470 
     + Men's Basketball Quotes - Jan. 23, 2007
      http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012307aab.html 
     + Yielding floor to Conley one more selfless act by Butler
 
http://www.dispatch.com/bball/bball.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/24/20070124-C1-02
.html 
     + OSU-Northwestern game preview
 
http://www.dispatch.com/bball/bball.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/24/20070124-C2-01
.html 
     + Shirt isn't something Matta needs to get off his chest
 
http://www.dispatch.com/bball/bball.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/24/20070124-C2-04
.html 
     $ BKB Pregame Intel: Ohio State Buckeyes
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/612527.html 

     Then its the "Bottom Feeding" Minnesota Golden Gophers again
     Gophers Travel To Both Border Rivals, Iowa and Wisconsin, This Week
      http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=752256 
     + Gophers not giving up despite disappointing season
      http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2007/01/24/70428 
     + Without Tollackson, U has lost its way
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/955709.html 
     + GROWING PAINS
      http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/16530440.htm 

     Big 10 , and more
     Men's Basketball Weekly Release - Jan. 22
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012207aab.html 

     Crowd has its say, Illini have their day
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/illinois/cs-070123illinig
amer,1,5918115.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + No offense, but . . .
 
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070124/SPORTS0601/701240507
/1004/SPORTS 
     + College basketball: Illinois gets first win over ranked opponent
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/955865.html 

BASEBALL

     Wildcats Prepare for 2007 Season Opener
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/012307aae.html 

FENCING

     Wildcats Open First Coaches Poll at No. 5
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-fenc/spec-rel/012307aaa.html 

LACROSSE

     Defending Champs Put to the Test This Weekend Against US Teams
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-lacros/spec-rel/012307aaf.html 

SOFTBALL

     Trio of Wildcats Named to USA Softball National Collegiate Player of the
Year Watch List
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-softbl/spec-rel/012307aab.html 

TENNIS

     Women
     'Cats Serve Up 2007 Dual Season At Home Against DePaul
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-tennis/spec-rel/012307aaa.html 
     +  Team Sits At No. 9 As Dual Season Begins
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/24/Sports/Team-Sits.At.No.9.As.Dua
l.Season.Begins.womens.Tennis-2670818.shtml 

SWIMMING

     Men
     Matt Grevers Earns Big Ten Swimmer of the Week Accolades
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/012307aaa.html 
     + Wildcats, Nittany Lions and Boilermakers Earn Weekly Awards
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/012307aab.html 

WRESTLING

     Northwestern's Herbert Named Wrestler of the Week
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/011707aaa.html 

MISCELLANY
Alumni

     PGA  - Buick Invitational
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r004/index.html 
     Tom Johnson - Scheduled to play
      http://www.pgatour.com/players/01/21/95/scorecards/2007/r004.html 

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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan 24 09:57:49 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jan 24 09:57:21 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
In-Reply-To: <20070124.071817.803.543676@webmail52.nyc.untd.com>
Message-ID: <003901c73fd0$65fc9cf0$6401a8c0@DAVIDXP>

I didn't link this stuff in the sports news, but they really lowered the hammer
on this kid....

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/notredame/cs-070123mcalar
ney,1,3559937.story?coll=cs-college-headlines

BC was rumored to have suspended a couple of our guys for smoking dope...not a
smart thing to do during the season....

BTW - Michael Vick was exonerated by the Miami drug cops - the stuff they found
under the bottle was not grass, altho he may have been testing the system.....

rsl

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com 
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On Behalf Of 
> mlinhardt@netzero.net
> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:18 AM
> To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
> Cc: Maureen.Linhardt@plexus.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] McGee Fire or Not?
> 
> 
> Did anyone see the story about ND starting point guard being 
> suspended 
> from both the basketball team and the university for a misdemeanor 
> marijuana possession?
> 
> McAlarney 'ashamed' about ND's actions 
> http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
> Date=20070124&Category=NDSports03&ArtNo=701240357&SectionCat=S
> PORTS&Tem
> plate=printart
> 
> I believe he should have been suspended from the basketball team for 
> an appropriate number of games, but not suspended from the university 
> also.  I knew people who smoked pot in the dorm rooms and I can't 
> imagine they would be suspended for the quarter if they were caught.  
> RAs did the "don't do it again" wink-wink routine.
> 
> 
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Wed Jan 24 10:38:10 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Wed Jan 24 10:38:14 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Dunbar rumors?
Message-ID: <001a01c73fd6$090b5f80$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

Sorry to interrupt the McGee thread (not really), but speaking of NU
offensive coordinators, has anyone else heard rumors about Dunbar possibly
coming back to the Big Ten as the new OC / Assistant HC for Minnesota?
There is talk of that possibility on Cal and Gopher message boards this
morning.  Some Cal fans speculate that maybe he is not that happy in his
current role because Tedford still calls many of the shots on offense.
Interesting development, if true, but I'm not holding my breath yet.  -Joe
 
 
From jeffb at hilgraeve.com  Wed Jan 24 11:09:47 2007
From: jeffb at hilgraeve.com (Jeff Beamsley)
Date: Wed Jan 24 11:13:13 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Dunbar rumors?
In-Reply-To: <001a01c73fd6$090b5f80$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
References: <001a01c73fd6$090b5f80$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <02a501c73fda$7384ec60$85492745@hilgraeve.com>

That would be an awfully short trip to the west coast wouldn't it?

The Cal program seems on the upswing basically because of improved offense.
>From a career point of view, staying seems like a better opportunity for
Dunbar.  Tedford gets hired away, Dunbar is in line.  Cal continues to be
successful, Dunbar gets hired away as a HC.  OC's at successful college
programs are getting a lot of visibility these days.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:38 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Dunbar rumors?

Sorry to interrupt the McGee thread (not really), but speaking of NU
offensive coordinators, has anyone else heard rumors about Dunbar possibly
coming back to the Big Ten as the new OC / Assistant HC for Minnesota?
There is talk of that possibility on Cal and Gopher message boards this
morning.  Some Cal fans speculate that maybe he is not that happy in his
current role because Tedford still calls many of the shots on offense.
Interesting development, if true, but I'm not holding my breath yet.  -Joe
 
 
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Wed Jan 24 13:09:53 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Wed Jan 24 13:10:16 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Dunbar rumors?
In-Reply-To: <02a501c73fda$7384ec60$85492745@hilgraeve.com>
Message-ID: <003201c73feb$3aa14360$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

Well, that's the main reason I'm skeptical, especially since Dunbar
generally has been considered to have done a good job in his first year at
Cal, the opener at Tennessee notwithstanding.  Also, I thought one of his
draws to the west coast was that he has family out there.  The only thing I
can think of that might be an issue is that maybe he feels like he doesn't
have as much autonomy as he expected, given Tedford's reputation as a head
coach who likes to call plays.  Brewster has gone on record saying that he
doesn't expect to be calling plays on Saturdays but will instead hire a
talented OC and DC and let them do their jobs so he can just focus on
managing the game and the team.  Going from OC at a top-10 program at Cal to
the not-so-top-10 program at Minnesota might be seen as a bit of a step down
to some, but the rumor I read indicated that an Assistant Head Coach title
could be part of the mix.  That might be appealing to a guy who either wants
to be a head coach or who wants some of the upside of being a head coach
without all of the downside.  The speculation I've read also indicates that
the Minnesota job would come with a significant pay increase from what he's
getting now, so I suppose there's always the chance he could be leveraging
that into a higher salary at Cal.

As for whether it's really a step down, first remember where Cal was just a
few years ago.  Second, remember that only six schools (Notre Dame, Alabama,
USC, Oklahoma, Michigan, and Ohio State) have more recognized national
championships than Minnesota.  The Gophers' six titles are more than teams
like Miami (5), Nebraska (5), Pitt (5), Georgia Tech (4), Tennessee (4), and
Texas (4) have.  (I suppose I should point out that Harvard has four
recognized titles too). The problem is that the last of the Gophers'
championships was almost half a century ago, and the fans who were students
during the most recent one are hitting retirement age.  Still, I think
Minnesota is a sleeping giant--more so than Michigan State, which everyone
seems to refer to with that metaphor--and certainly has more tradition and
built-in advantages than Iowa and Wisconsin (at least, the advantage gap
will close after the new stadium opens in 2009), and the Hawkeyes and
Badgers each have become pretty big players on the national scene in the
recent past.

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:10 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Dunbar rumors?

That would be an awfully short trip to the west coast wouldn't it?

The Cal program seems on the upswing basically because of improved offense.
>From a career point of view, staying seems like a better opportunity for
Dunbar.  Tedford gets hired away, Dunbar is in line.  Cal continues to be
successful, Dunbar gets hired away as a HC.  OC's at successful college
programs are getting a lot of visibility these days.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:38 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Dunbar rumors?

Sorry to interrupt the McGee thread (not really), but speaking of NU
offensive coordinators, has anyone else heard rumors about Dunbar possibly
coming back to the Big Ten as the new OC / Assistant HC for Minnesota?
There is talk of that possibility on Cal and Gopher message boards this
morning.  Some Cal fans speculate that maybe he is not that happy in his
current role because Tedford still calls many of the shots on offense.
Interesting development, if true, but I'm not holding my breath yet.  -Joe
 
 
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From thiegs at umn.edu  Wed Jan 24 16:49:17 2007
From: thiegs at umn.edu (Joe Thiegs)
Date: Wed Jan 24 16:49:19 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Not just a rumor -- Dunbar is Gopher OC!
In-Reply-To: <003201c73feb$3aa14360$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>
Message-ID: <004601c74009$e108eb90$fb326580@mnfound.umn.edu>

It's a done deal.  Reported from multiple sources.

"This is a good opportunity for Mike and his family," Cal coach Jeff Tedford
said in a statement. "It's a good chance for him to be more involved in a
spread offense. We appreciate his contributions to the program and wish him
well in the future."

Minnesota hires offensive, defensive coordinators
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2741390

Brewster hires Cal's Dunbar as U offensive coordinator
http://www.startribune.com/512/story/957367.html

Report: Gophers hire Dunbar as offensive coordinator
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/16536669.htm

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:10 PM
To: jeffb@hilgraeve.com; nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Dunbar rumors?

Well, that's the main reason I'm skeptical, especially since Dunbar
generally has been considered to have done a good job in his first year at
Cal, the opener at Tennessee notwithstanding.  Also, I thought one of his
draws to the west coast was that he has family out there.  The only thing I
can think of that might be an issue is that maybe he feels like he doesn't
have as much autonomy as he expected, given Tedford's reputation as a head
coach who likes to call plays.  Brewster has gone on record saying that he
doesn't expect to be calling plays on Saturdays but will instead hire a
talented OC and DC and let them do their jobs so he can just focus on
managing the game and the team.  Going from OC at a top-10 program at Cal to
the not-so-top-10 program at Minnesota might be seen as a bit of a step down
to some, but the rumor I read indicated that an Assistant Head Coach title
could be part of the mix.  That might be appealing to a guy who either wants
to be a head coach or who wants some of the upside of being a head coach
without all of the downside.  The speculation I've read also indicates that
the Minnesota job would come with a significant pay increase from what he's
getting now, so I suppose there's always the chance he could be leveraging
that into a higher salary at Cal.

As for whether it's really a step down, first remember where Cal was just a
few years ago.  Second, remember that only six schools (Notre Dame, Alabama,
USC, Oklahoma, Michigan, and Ohio State) have more recognized national
championships than Minnesota.  The Gophers' six titles are more than teams
like Miami (5), Nebraska (5), Pitt (5), Georgia Tech (4), Tennessee (4), and
Texas (4) have.  (I suppose I should point out that Harvard has four
recognized titles too). The problem is that the last of the Gophers'
championships was almost half a century ago, and the fans who were students
during the most recent one are hitting retirement age.  Still, I think
Minnesota is a sleeping giant--more so than Michigan State, which everyone
seems to refer to with that metaphor--and certainly has more tradition and
built-in advantages than Iowa and Wisconsin (at least, the advantage gap
will close after the new stadium opens in 2009), and the Hawkeyes and
Badgers each have become pretty big players on the national scene in the
recent past.

-Joe

-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:10 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Dunbar rumors?

That would be an awfully short trip to the west coast wouldn't it?

The Cal program seems on the upswing basically because of improved offense.
>From a career point of view, staying seems like a better opportunity for
Dunbar.  Tedford gets hired away, Dunbar is in line.  Cal continues to be
successful, Dunbar gets hired away as a HC.  OC's at successful college
programs are getting a lot of visibility these days.

Jeff


-----Original Message-----
From: nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces@tssi.com] On
Behalf Of Joe Thiegs
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 11:38 AM
To: nwu-sports@tssi.com
Subject: [NU Sports] Dunbar rumors?

Sorry to interrupt the McGee thread (not really), but speaking of NU
offensive coordinators, has anyone else heard rumors about Dunbar possibly
coming back to the Big Ten as the new OC / Assistant HC for Minnesota?
There is talk of that possibility on Cal and Gopher message boards this
morning.  Some Cal fans speculate that maybe he is not that happy in his
current role because Tedford still calls many of the shots on offense.
Interesting development, if true, but I'm not holding my breath yet.  -Joe
 
 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Thu Jan 25 08:51:05 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Thu Jan 25 08:50:44 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/25
Message-ID: <004e01c74090$3e2ca510$6401a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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Bears in a Zone Edition
All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Original Index to online News about
Northwestern University Athletics

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     http://forums.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=179#S=179


BASKETBALL
Men

     Wildcats Hang Tough, But No. 5 Buckeyes Prevail 59-50
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/012407aaa.html 
     + Postgame Quotes
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/012407aae.html 
     + Northwestern has no answer for Oden
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/northwestern/cs-070124nug
amer,1,5559401.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Cats can't climb Mt. Oden
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/229174,CST-SPT-nu25.article 
     + Cats Unable To Buck Trend
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/25/Sports/Cats-Unable.To.Buck.Tren
d.mens.Basketball-2677597.shtml 
     + Williams Solid In First Game Off Bench
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/25/Sports/Williams.Solid.In.First.
Game.Off.Bench.mens.Basketball-2677590.shtml 
     + Seven-minute drought ends NU's upset bid
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/northwestern.asp?id=273360 
     + No. 5 Ohio State 59, Northwestern 50
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/229165,251SPT4.article 
     + Ohio State fights off Northwestern
 
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/couriernews/sports/229112,3_2_EL25_B4HOOPS_S1
.article 

     Rakov:  Better The 2nd Time Around
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/25/Sports/Better.The.2nd.Time.Arou
nd-2677588.shtml 

     Minnesota helps Cats stop Big Ten bleeding
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston/sports/228380,ev-nuhoops-012507-s1.article 

     Wildcats Will Face Indiana Feb. 28 on ESPN2
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/nw/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012407aab.html


     Box Score
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2006-2007/mb012407.html 

     Ohio State Buckeyes
     Buckeyes Top Northwestern In Evanston
      http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/012407aaa.html 
     + Ohio State - Northwestern Postgame Analysis
      http://ohiostate.scout.com/2/612782.html 
     + OSU Claws Past Northwestern, 59-50
      http://www.bucknuts.com/news/story.php?article=479 
     + Buckeyes lean heavily on Oden (Jan. 25)
 
http://www.dispatch.com/bball/bball.php?story=dispatch/2007/01/25/20070125-C1-01
.html 
     + Seventeen's the magic number for Oden in win
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/6405930?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=99 
     + Frosh sensation Oden leads No. 5 Buckeyes over NU
 
http://sport.monstersandcritics.com/menscollegebasketball/article_1251208.php/Fr
osh_sensation_Oden_leads_No._5_Buckeyes_over_NU 

     Next up for the Court Cats:
     1/31 - Minnesota Golden Gophers 7:00 PM ESPN+
     Michigan State Defeats Gophers 70-46
      http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=752727 
     + Michigan St. 70, Minnesota 46
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/6404260?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=99 
     + Post Game Notes Against Minnesota
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/msu/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/012407aae.html 
     + Shooting woes lead to fifth straight loss
      http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2007/01/25/70457 
     + Men's basketball: U continues to struggle
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/958084.html 
     + Fifth straight defeat leaves Gophers reeling
      http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/16538993.htm 

     Big 10 , and more
     Wisconsin pushes win streak to 16
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/229342,CST-SPT-big25.article 
     + No Tucker, No Problem
 
http://wisconsin.scout.com/2/612795.html?refid=400&CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=99 
     + No. 2 Wisconsin sets school record
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/6406034?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=99 

     Iowa 79, Penn St. 63
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/6405992?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=99 

Women

     'Cats Travel To West Lafayette To Face No. 12 Purdue
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/012407aab.html 
     + Women's Basketball Game Notes
      http://purduesports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/012407aaa.html 

     Palin Making Impact From The Bench
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/25/Sports/Palin.Making.Impact.From
.The.Bench.womens.Basketball-2677598.shtml 

RECRUITING

     Recruiting class gains one, loses one
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston/sports/228323,ev-nurec-012507-s1.article 

LACROSSE

     Wildcats Stick to Stickwork
      http://laxmagazine.cstv.com/sports/w-lacros/spec-rel/120506aaa.html 
     LM Releases '07 Preseason College Rankings
      http://laxmagazine.cstv.com/sports/w-lacros/spec-rel/010307aai.html 

SOFTBALL

     USA Today/NFCA Preseason Poll Tabs 'Cats No. 4
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-softbl/spec-rel/012407aab.html 

TENNIS

     Women
     'Cats Cruise Past DePaul in Dual-Season Opener, 6-1
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-tennis/recaps/012407aab.html 
     + Women's Tennis Falls to No. 9 Northwestern
      http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/article.asp?CatID=12&ID=3212 

MISCELLANY

     No longer purple for just football....
     rules for the Crown clock have changed?
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats7a21a.html 

     Slimy sales agents
      http://www.sptimes.com/2007/01/25/Floridian/Slimy_sales_agents.shtml 

Alumni

     Mike Dunbar Minnesota hires Cal's Dunbar, Titans' Withers as coordinators
 
http://rssfeeds.usatoday.com/%7Er/UsatodaycomCollegeFootball-TopStories/%7E3/811
16428/2007-01-24-minnesota-coordinators_x.htm 
     + Gophers football: Brewster finds top assistant coaches
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/957367.html 

     PGA  - Buick Invitational
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r004/index.html 
     Tom Johnson - Scheduled [Click his name for his scorecard
      http://www.pgatour.com/players/01/21/95/scorecards/2007/r004.html 

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Sp74 Go Cats - beat 'em all 
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From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Sat Jan 27 09:54:51 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Sat Jan 27 09:54:23 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/26
Message-ID: <009101c7422b$7b5ce160$6401a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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No Basketball Saturday-PGA Update Edition
All the News that Fits We Link -- Your Original Index to online News about
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BASKETBALL
Men

     PIETRUSZKIEWICZ: NU can t stop Oden
 
http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2007/01/25/sports/college/northwestern/doc45b84
baa4e5ca806307979.txt 
     Next up for the Court Cats:
     1/31 - Minnesota Golden Gophers 7:00 PM ESPN+
     Minnesota squares off against fellow cellar-dweller
      http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2007/01/26/70484 
     Big 10 , and more
     Illini's Randle out 2 more games
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/230570,CST-SPT-ill26.article 

Women

     Wildcats Fall on the Road to No. 12 Purdue
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/recaps/012507aab.html 
     Northwestern still searching for first conference victory
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston/sports/228438,ev-nuwomenshoops-012507-s1.ar
ticle 

FOOTBALL

     Stewart Mandel: College Football Power Rankings
 
http://www.pioneerlocal.com/evanston/sports/228438,ev-nuwomenshoops-012507-s1.ar
ticle 
     + Early look at '07 (cont.)
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/01/16/early07.ranki
ngs2/index.html 
     + Early look at '07 II  (cont.)
 
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/stewart_mandel/01/16/early07.ranki
ngs3/index.html 

RECRUITING

     Signing Day Reception!
      http://hailtopurple.com/cats6l22a.html 

FENCING

     Underrated Before Season, Sabre Squad Holding Its Own
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/26/Sports/Underrated.Before.Season
.Sabre.Squad.Holding.Its.Own.fencing-2680243.shtml 

SWIMMING

     No. 6 Northwestern Closes Dual-Meet Slate against No. 12 Michigan, No. 14
Ohio State
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/012507aab.html 
     Big Weekend Ahead In Columbus
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/26/Sports/Big-Weekend.Ahead.In.Col
umbus.mens.Swimming-2680233.shtml 

TENNIS

     Men
     Take on Sand Diego

     NU Looking To Convert Effort Into Victories This Weekend
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/26/Sports/Nu.Looking.To.Convert.Ef
fort.Into.Victories.This.Weekend.mens.Tennis-2680240.shtml 
     Live Stats
 
http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/nw-m-tennis-livestats.html 
     Women
     Wildcats Coast Through First Dual Meet Of The Season
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/26/Sports/Wildcats.Coast.Through.F
irst.Dual.Meet.Of.The.Season.womens.Tennis-2680238.shtml 

WRESTLING

     'Cats Ready to Host No. 9 Wisconsin at Welsh-Ryan Friday
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-wrestl/spec-rel/012507aad.html 
     Watch
 
javascript:window.open('http://all-access.cstv.com/cstv/player/player.html?code=
nw&sport=m-wrestl&category=live&media=8431','VideoBroadcast','toolbar=no,resizea
ble=no,scrollbars=yes,width=1000,height=700'); 
     void(''); 
     Junior Back From Injury, Ranked 14th
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/26/Sports/Junior.Back.From.Injury.
Ranked.14th.wrestling-2680228.shtml 

MISCELLANY

     Cronin: Fox's focus on NFC championship? Hey, how about the game
      http://www.dailysouthtown.com/sports/cronin/217069,191CRO1.article 

Alumni

     Mike Dunbar Gophers football: U pays to attract top aides
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/961027.html 
     PGA  - Buick Invitational
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r004/index.html 
     Tom Johnson -  [Click his name for his live scorecard ]
      http://www.pgatour.com/players/01/21/95/scorecards/2007/r004.html 
     +2 after first round

     Nationwide Tour Movistar Panama Championship
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/h084/index.html 
     Jess Daley -  -1 after first round
      http://www.pgatour.com/players/02/49/37/scorecards/2007/h084.html 

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From clzahn at mindspring.com  Sun Jan 28 11:33:14 2007
From: clzahn at mindspring.com (Clark Zahn)
Date: Sun Jan 28 11:33:26 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Law School
Message-ID: <45BCDE5A.2080101@mindspring.com>

A friend of my son has decided that he's tired of being a commercial 
pilot and wants to go into law.  He is applying to Georgetown, NU and 
Penn State and some lesser schools.  NU is the only school requiring a 
personal interview.  He was wondering what they are seeking in the 
interview.   He also commented that NU has a different approach to legal 
education that seems attractive to him

Any comments?

Thanks,

Clark

From Hakirsch at aol.com  Sun Jan 28 13:41:37 2007
From: Hakirsch at aol.com (Hakirsch@aol.com)
Date: Sun Jan 28 13:42:01 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] Ivan Tolic
Message-ID: <c8f.7fafaae.32ee5671@aol.com>

I had the opportunity to meet with Ivan Tolic while he was coaching some kids 
in Evanston as they palyed a similar age group from Lake Forest   ( 4th-6th 
grade perhaps ) --What a nice guy  !   I asked him how he had the time to do 
all of the coaching , playing and school work --he just shrugged as he he got a 
kiss from a lovely wife--

These guys make me proud of my affiliation with NU

Harry
From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Mon Jan 29 06:44:31 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Mon Jan 29 06:43:59 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/28
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                         Northwestern Currently Boasts Six Top-10 Ranked Squads


BASKETBALL
Men

     POD: NOT another typical NU basketball season
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/613402.html 
     Next up for the Court Cats:
     1/31 - Minnesota Golden Gophers 7:00 PM ESPN+ 
     Lions Tumble at Minnesota
      http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=2&c=613471 


     Big 10 , and more
     Purdue routs Illinois
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/illinois/cs-070127illinoi
s,1,2382582.story?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     + Boilers run, hide from Illini 
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/232523,CST-SPT-ill28.article 
     + Purdue puts the hurt on Illini
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=274601 

     Reputation precedes Illini's Smith
     Reputation precedes Illini's Smith
     + It's showdown time for pals Weber, Painter
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/231842,CST-SPT-ill27.article 
     + Illinois, Purdue could use this win
      http://www.dailyherald.com/sports/illinois.asp?id=274250 

     Hoosier Woes Continue for U-M 
 
http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=170&p=2&c=613506&refid=400&CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT
=99 

     Spartans Edged In Thiller 
      http://www.fansonly.com/schools/msu/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/012707aaa.html 
     + No. 5 Ohio St. 66, Michigan St. 64
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/6416966?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=99 
     + Oden, Ohio State hold off Michigan State
      http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/6416966?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=99 

Women

     Wildcats Travel To Champaign To Battle Illini
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/012607aab.html 

FOOTBALL

     POD: NU Grads' NFL Track Record
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/613251.html 

RECRUITING

     The luster is fading?
     Football recruit shuns Irish for Gators
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/notredame/cs-070126irishb
rief,1,1120177.htmlstory?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     Temkin: A mixed message about texting
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/cs-barrytemkinbloglink,1,
6566849.storylink?coll=cs-college-headlines 
     This is from a Lacrosse site, but applies to all sports
     IWLCA Seminar: Recruiting Timeline
      http://www.iwlca.org/docs/RecruitingTimeline.doc?id=204 
     + IWLCA Seminar: Recruiting 101
      http://www.iwlca.org/docs/101.doc?id=203 

LACROSSE

     Ohio University - Women drop program
      http://ohiobobcats.cstv.com/sports/w-lacros/spec-rel/012507aab.html 

SWIMMING

     No. 6 Northwestern Bounces Both No. 12 Michigan, No. 13 Ohio State
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/012707aad.html 
     Day One Complete in No. 6 Northwestern's Double-Dual at No. 14 Ohio State,
No. 12 Michigan
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/recaps/012707aab.html 

TENNIS

     Men
     'Cats Topple Toreros, 6-1
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-tennis/recaps/012607aab.html 
     Women
     'Cats Set to Host Duke in Battle of Top-10 Teams
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/w-tennis/spec-rel/012607aad.html 

WRESTLING

     'Cats Top No. 9 Wisconsin In Thriller, 19-18
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-wrestl/recaps/012607aaa.html 

MISCELLANY

     John Cage manuscript now in music library
     Northwestern obtains original score of composer
      http://www.nwherald.com/articles/2007/01/27/news/state/iq_13868134.txt 

Alumni

     Matt Ulrich PRO FOOTBALL: Metzelaars mentors younger Colts
 
http://www.thepaper24-7.com/main.asp?SectionID=24&SubSectionID=23&ArticleID=8109
&TM=42457.68 
     + The building of a Super Bowl team
 
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070128/SPORTS03/701280400 

     Michael Wilbon  Will Wilbon's $8-Million TV Deal Make Him a Stranger at the
Post? 
      http://www.washingtonian.com/articles/mediapolitics/3236.html 
     [Thanks Willie]
     PGA  - Buick Invitational
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/r004/index.html 
     Tom Johnson -  [Click his name for his live scorecard ] 
      http://www.pgatour.com/players/01/21/95/scorecards/2007/r004.html 
     Barely made the cut , but now tied for 20th [-6] after a -3 round

     Nationwide Tour Movistar Panama Championship
      http://www.pgatour.com/tournaments/h084/index.html 
     Jess Daley -  Tied for 38th at +4
      http://www.pgatour.com/players/02/49/37/scorecards/2007/h084.html
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Sp74 Go Cats - beat 'em all 
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 



From rstetson at capps-assoc.com  Wed Jan 31 10:47:59 2007
From: rstetson at capps-assoc.com (Roy Lamberton)
Date: Wed Jan 31 10:47:27 2007
Subject: [NU Sports] NU Sports News Digest for 1/31
Message-ID: <001c01c74557$914de120$6401a8c0@DAVIDXP>

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BASKETBALL
Men

     Wildcats Welcome Gophers to Welsh-Ryan Wednesday Night
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/013007aac.html 
     $ BKB Pregame Intel: Minnesota Golden Gophers
      http://northwestern.scout.com/2/614603.html 

     It's The Offense, Stupid
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/31/Sports/Its-The.Offense.Stupid.m
ens.Basketball-2687620.shtml 

     Next up for the Court Cats:
     1/31 - Minnesota Golden Gophers 7:00 PM ESPN+ 
     Gophers practicing pack defense, Tucker and Oden honored
      http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2007/01/30/70517 
     + U schedule is firmed up; TV options emerge
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/967911.html 
     + MATURI TAKING HIS TIME
      http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/16576213.htm 
     + Q & A: Spencer Tollackson
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/31/Sports/Q.A-Spencer.Tollackson-2
687634.shtml 
     + Gophers Travel to Evanston to Take on the Wildcats
      http://www.gophersports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8400&ATCLID=777493 
     + Minnesota trying to solve Northwestern's unique 1-3-1 zone
      http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2007/01/31/70528 
     + Gophers gameday
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/970497.html 
     + Lowly Northwestern has had Gophers' number for years
      http://www.startribune.com/512/story/970510.html 
     + Gophers live, die by the three
      http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/sports/16584568.htm 

     Other Big 10
     Shock to Indiana's system
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-070128myslenski,1,5
288078.column?coll=cs-college-utility 
     Men's Basketball Weekly Release - Jan. 29
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/012907aab.html 
     Travel is toughest part of job 
      http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/235064,CST-SPT-big30.article 
     Durant Is The NBA's True No. 1
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/30/Sports/Durant.Is.The.Nbas.True.
No.1-2685293.shtml 
     Myslenski For Badgers, it's all relative
 
http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-070130myslenski,1,7
66087.column?coll=cs-college-utility 

Women

     No. 5 Ohio State and No. 12 Purdue Battle for Big Ten Lead Tonight on ESPN2
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/w-baskbl/spec-rel/012907aac.html 

FOOTBALL

     Recruiting analysis coming this week...

RECRUITING

     Women's Fencing Inks Four to National Letters of Intent

FENCING

     Wildcats 2-4 Against Outstanding Field at NYU Duals
     +  Schiller Notches 900th Win In 2-4 Weekend At NYU

LACROSSE

     Defending National Champs Open Season With Matchup Against Team USA 
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/30/Sports/Defending.National.Champ
s.Open.Season.With.Matchup.Against.Team.Usa.lacrosse-2685343.shtml 

SWIMMING

     Unbeatable Wildcats
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/30/Sports/Unbeatable.Wildcats.mens
.Swimming-2685319.shtml 
     Mike Alexandrov Named Collegeswimming.com National Swimmer of the Week
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/013007aae.html 
     Matt Grevers Ties Conference Records With Another Big Ten Swimmer of the
Week Honor
      http://nusports.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/013007aab.html 
     + Northwestern's Grevers and Indiana's Roberts Receive Weekly Honors
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/013007aaa.html 
     + Ahead of the Pack
      http://bigten.cstv.com/sports/m-swim/spec-rel/120606aad.html 

TENNIS

     Men
     Cats Swept In Second Straight Sunday 
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/30/Sports/Cats-Swept.In.Second.Str
aight.Sunday.mens.Tennis-2685338.shtml 
     Women
     Cats Earn Straight 'A's In First Real Test 
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/30/Sports/Cats-Earn.Straight.as.In
.First.Real.Test.womens.Tennis-2685305.shtml 

WRESTLING

     Northwestern Names Hilton Garden Inn Athletes of the Week
      http://nusports.cstv.com/genrel/012907aab.html 

     Herbert Scary From The Start
 
http://www.dailynorthwestern.com/news/2007/01/31/Sports/Herbert.Scary.From.The.S
tart-2687585.shtml 

MISCELLANY
Alumni

     Alan Abramson Has a Super Bowl Blog
      http://www.nbcsports.com/alanabrahamson/blog/ 
     Michael Wilbon The Colt Whisperer 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/30/AR2007013001888.
html

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