[NU Sports] RE: Brandon and student-on-student crimes

Sun Feb 11 22:47:37 CST 2007

I don't think dumb ideas are the province of only a few people during
adolescence and even into college.  The hope is that everyone gets some
sense sooner or later I suppose.

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From: johnadeg at comcast.net [mailto:johnadeg at comcast.net] 
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 3:51 PM
To: warneradams; mlinhardt at netzero.net; nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com
Cc: Maureen.Linhardt at plexus.com
Subject: RE: [NU Sports] RE: Brandon and student-on-student crimes

I'm sure someone will jump al over me for this story, but, here goes.  We
had a guy in our fraternity who was a phenomenal athelete.  He was so good
in intramural football that we could run him through the line and no one
could touch him.  But, he had academic problems big time.  One quarterhe had
to pass an English exam (a Bergan Evans course as I recall)or get bounced.
So one of the guys who was a theater major, made up a pre-dental student so
that he could take the exam without being recognized.  He was a couple of
years ahead of our jock and had taken the same course  two years earlier.
He just winged it and got a C keeping our jock in school another semester,
but that was it.  I hadn't thought about this in 54 years.
 What was truly insane about this stunt was that if anyone had been caught
that would have been the end of a dental career.
John DeGroat
 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "warneradams" <warneradams at comcast.net>
> Just off the top of my head I can remember my friends doing the following
> things while I was at NU:
> 
> Cheating off each other during tests
> Writing papers for other students
> Pulling fire alarms at dorms and fraternity houses
> Stealing a parking meter from in front of Burger King
> Breaking windows on campus housing
> Taking alcohol and drugs from other people's rooms
> Dealing pot, cocaine, acid, mushrooms, and hash
> Stealing street signs and signs from businesses
> Borrowing notes because they missed a "day" and copying the entire quarter
> Getting copies of tests ahead of time
> Renting or buying furniture and electronics under assumed names
> Tossing a television off of the top floor of Elder
> 
> Any of these will get you suspended from the basketball team and written
up
> in the papers.  Especially if you're a star player.  
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On
> Behalf Of mlinhardt at netzero.net
> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 6:45 AM
> To: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com
> Cc: Maureen.Linhardt at plexus.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] RE: Brandon and student-on-student crimes
> 
> Warner,
> 
> Assuming the fact I consider substance abuse forgivable.  What is 
> worse than stealing from other students?  
> 
> The only four "campus-related" things I can think of off hand are 
> sexual assault of fellow students, physical assault of fellow 
> students, dealing drugs on campus, or possibly cheating their way 
> through NU.  Could you give examples of "much worse" without ratting 
> out on your friends?
> 
> -- "warneradams" <warneradams at comcast.net> wrote:
> I suppose although my friends did much worse at NU and no one cared 
> because
> they weren't athletes.  They turned out to be good law-abiding people.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] 
> On
> Behalf Of Hakirsch at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:04 PM
> To: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com
> Subject: [NU Sports] (no subject)
> 
>  
> I  disagree completely.
> 
> I feel bad for him, but his mistakes were pretty  big.
> 
> The substance abuse I can forgive, but bringing back an athlete  with 
> a 
> breaking and entry conviction(especially in campus housing) is not  
> the 
> message NU wants to send out to perspective students.  Campus  safety 
> is already an important issue and this would aggravate the  issue.
> 
> 
> 
> _____________________________________________________________________
> 
> 
> I agree with most of  the others here.  Every institution in  America 
> seems 
> to give 2nd chances-(in my mind ,unfortunately 3rd and 4th chances  as 
> well--see NBA, MLB, etc, etc) -NU would be  setting a higher 
> statndard  by
> requiring 
> that there is some evidence that he has learned and desreves a 2nd  
> chance,
> not 
> just to give a second chance--Do it with a zero and i mean zero  
> tolerance 
> level--Heck even IU gave the General a 2nd chance (and he was quite a  
> bit
> older 
> when he made his mistakes-)- and throwing a plate or a vase at a
> secretary's 
> head is more egregious than breaking and entering--not to mention  
> about a 
> half dozen other mistakes made by Knight for whcih he was given another
> chance
>  
> Harry
> 
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