[NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
Roy Lamberton
rstetson at capps-assoc.com
Mon Nov 7 16:39:35 CST 2005
As someone who suffered through two 10+ loss seasons, and later worked at OU
when they were winning all their games, I'm grateful for Barnet and Walker's
contribution to our overall win-loss record.
IMHO 6 - 6 win games is a pretty good accomplishment.
rsl
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Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
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and Publisher of Purple Reign,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of John Labbe
> Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 4:34 PM
> To: cherron604 at aol.com
> Cc: nwu-sports at tssi.com
> Subject: Re: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
>
>
> I suppose your next post will explain all the reasons that
> Basanez's statistics over the past four years should be
> discredited, because after all, most quarterbacks, even the
> best ones, don't start for four years and wouldn't have the
> opportunity to gain the same numbers.
>
> The only reason such an explanation would be necessary,
> however, is if you thought we were all idiots.
>
> The fact remains that Walker is the first coach since the
> 1930s to have 3 consecutive 6-win seasons. I haven't seen
> any overreaction to that simple statistic.
>
> I think it's good that the athletic department promotes
> positive statistics about the program. That's their job. Do
> we want them to release statistics with all kinds of caveats, instead?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 07, 2005, at 03:23PM, <cherron604 at aol.com> wrote:
>
> > This '6-win' nonsense has to be addressed.
> >
> >In today's Chicago Sun-Times, the beat reporter breathlessly
> reported
> >that 'Walker is the first coach since 1931 to lead three
> straight NU teams to six or more victories.' This smells
> very much like a press release from 1501 Central Street - and
> is pretty much as useful as most Athletic Department press releases.
> >
> >What we know - RW has had 3 consecutive 6-win seasons. The last
> >instance of 3 consecutive 6-win seasons was indeed 1929-1931.
> >
> >BUT
> >
> >During the Dick Hanley era (1927-1934), Northwestern averaged 8.25
> >games a year. These consisted of 5.38 conference games and
> 2.88 non-conference games. That Dick Hanley could string
> together 3 6-win seasons (actually 6, 7 and 7) during this
> period means he averaged 6.67 wins per season in an era of 8
> or 9 game schedules - or an 81% winning percentage during
> those 3 seasons. This would be an incredible achievement in any era.
> >
> >Randy Walker has strung together 3 seasons of 6, 6 and 6 victories
> >(currently). However, during the Walker years, Northwestern
> has averaged 11.7 games per year. 6 wins per year in an era
> of 11.7 game schedules works out to a 51% winning
> percentage...nice, but definitely nowhere near Hanley's achievement.
> >
> >To equate Hanley's 6-3, 7-1 and 7-1-1 seasons with Walker's 6-7, 6-6
> >and 6-3 seasons is ludicrous. It insults the intelligence
> of the listener, as well as discounting the real
> accomplishments of Hanley and many coaches who succeeded him.
> >
> >To imply (as the comparison does) that Walker has achieved something
> >not achieved since 1931 is absurd. But it is all too
> typical of our Athletic Department - sugar coating numbers
> and presenting them in a way that inflates the
> accomplishments of RW while discounting anything that
> happened prior to RW's arrival. (Anybody see any attendance
> averages in the Media Guide recently ? They've been missing
> since the averages started falling during the RW era).
> >
> >In fact, there have been numerous stretches since Dick Hanley of far
> >greater accomplishment than RW's - Pappy Waldorf had an 8
> year stretch (1936-1943) where he won 36 games, an average of
> 4.5 wins per year in an era of 8.42 games per season, or a
> 53% winning percentage. Bob Voigts had 23 wins in the four
> seasons between 1948 and 1951 - 5.75 wins per year in a
> period of 9.13 games per year, or 63%. Ara had a 6 year
> stretch (1958-1963) where he won 32 games - 5.33 wins per
> year while averaging 9 games per year, or a 59% winning
> percentage. Alex Agase had 3 years (1969-1971) where he
> averaged 5.33 wins per season in typical 10.1 game seasons -
> 53% winning percentage. And the demonized Gary Barnett won
> 24 games between 1995 and 1997, in typically 11.6 game
> seasons - a 69 % winning percentage.
> >
> >Note too that all of these coaches with stretches longer
> than 3 seasons
> >had even HIGHER 3-season winning percentages.
> >
> >So quit believing that RW has achieved something that hasn't
> been done
> >in 74 years.
> >
> >IT ISN'T TRUE
> >
> >Chuck Herron Tech '85
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jeff Beamsley <jeffb at hilgraeve.com>
> >To: 'NU Sports List' <nwu-sports at tssi.com>
> >Sent: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 12:16:17 -0500
> >Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> >
> >
> >Come on. If you're going to post something like that about Ara, you
> >have to post the rest of the story too. These were nine
> game seasons,
> >seven of which were in the BT. The 1958 season came after
> an 0-9 1957
> >season. The 5-4 1958 season included wins over Washington State and
> >Stanford. The only blow-out loss was late in the season to Purdue.
> >The other three losses were by a touchdown or less. The 6-3
> 1959 season
> >included wins over Wilkinson's Oklahoma (Big Eight conference champ
> >that year) and ND and three loses to close out the season. The only
> >blow out was the last game at Illinois. The 1960 season
> again included
> >wins over Oklahoma and ND, but then an early season blowout loss to
> >Iowa. The rest of the losses were close.
> >
> >These were really glory years for NU football and also years
> before the
> >scholarship limits, so NU was really at a disadvantage to the bigger
> >schools who could afford to have huge teams and stockpile
> talent. The
> >pattern at least in '58 and '59 was to start out strong and
> then fade
> >as the team got worn down and injuries affected key players
> in the BT season.
> >
> >RW has had a good run and it is great to see NU football improving,
> >particularly in the BT, but part of that success was also
> built on wins
> >over cupcakes like Ohio. Our record against ranked non-conference
> >teams isn't nearly so impressive.
> >
> >Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: warneradams [mailto:warneradams at comcast.net]
> >Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 8:45 AM
> >To: rstetson at capps-assoc.com; jeffb at hilgraeve.com; 'NU Sports List'
> >Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> >
> >Ara did get post three consecutive winning seasons from 1958-60
> >although in two out of three years his teams had losing
> records in the
> >Big Ten. Randy has now posted three straight Big Ten
> seasons of .500
> >or better and 4 in 8 years. Ara managed that feat three
> times in his
> >nine seasons. Pappy Waldorf was the last coach to post
> three or more
> >consecutive seasons of .500 or better in the Big Ten (6
> straight from
> >1936-41).
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com]
> >On Behalf Of Roy Lamberton
> >Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:37 AM
> >To: jeffb at hilgraeve.com; NU Sports List
> >Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> >
> >The big thing [for me anyway] is that nobody coaching NU has had 3
> >consecutive 6 win seasons since Hanley.
> >
> >Others have had better records during their time here, but they've
> >never put together 3 consecutive .500 seasons.
> >
> >Back in the old days, it was harder to get enough top
> players to come
> >to NU because a kid could go play at the local U on
> scholarship and sit
> >on the bench. Now with 85 schollies, more top kids consider
> NU, but you
> >have to give credit to RW & Co. for picking kids that will
> play in his
> >system.
> >
> >RW does have to have another big winning season or two to
> get over .500
> >for his time here, but the longer you coach somewhere, the
> harder it is
> >to pull a long term record over .500 if you've had a couple of bad
> >years at the start but Walker is on track to start to improve that
> >career record at NU, and maybe wind up with one of the
> longer tenures
> >at NU and in the Big 10.
> >
> >rsl
> >
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> >Roy S. Lamberton - Senior Associate
> >Computer Applications & Support Associates and Publisher of Purple
> >Reign, The Scout.com Northwestern University Site
> >(http://www.purplewildcats.com)
> >AIM Handle: CoachRoy74
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> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com
> >> [mailto:nwu-sports-bounces at tssi.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Beamsley
> >> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:21 PM
> >> To: nwu-sports at romaine.tssi.com
> >> Subject: RE: [NU Sports] Other Facts About NU Football
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Slow down there big fella.
> >>
> >> No disrespect intended to Pappy, but I think that Ara P.
> >> might have a bone to pick with you.
> >>
> >> First of all, not including this year, RW's record from
> 2000-2004 is
> >> 27-33 (.450). Ara's record (plus one year of
> >> Alex) from 1960-1964 is 24-21 (.533 my gosh a winning
> record!). Alex
> >> turned in a 4-6 season in 1965 to make their combined six
> year total
> >> for the sixties 28-27 (.509 also winning!). Even if NU
> goes 3-0 the
> >> remainder of the season, that makes RW's record for this
> decade so far
> >> 36-36 (.500).
> >> Close but no cigar.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >
> >
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